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05:44.55sarah_SThi
05:45.01neil_mhai
05:45.05neil_m2u
05:47.41sarah_STHow's things? I bought myself a Zaurus recently and have started fishing around for information
05:47.54neil_myo sarah_ST!
05:48.00neil_mwhat Z you got
05:48.12sarah_STa C3100
05:48.18neil_mahh cool
05:48.51sarah_STYeah. I was upgrading from a Palm and figured I should get the exact computer I want this time and worry about software later :)
05:49.10sarah_STSome of the Palm software was bugging me because I couldn't modify it
05:49.14neil_mbest place for information is http://www.zaurususergroup.org/
05:49.20neil_mand hte oesf forums
05:49.37neil_mlocated in the left of the page under OE Forums
05:49.48neil_mwhat sorta info you looking for?
05:49.51sarah_STCool.
05:50.12neil_mi think most people here get their info there, it's got loads of stuff
05:50.20neil_mthe different roms, models...
05:50.24sarah_STHrm well at the moment, advice on whether to try to get a cross compiler running on my 400Mhz mac or whether to just run a native compiler on the 415mhz Z
05:50.27neil_mthat sorta thing
05:51.11neil_mwell trust me it's slow native compiling
05:51.12neil_mheh
05:51.18neil_mtook me like 7 hours to compile fluxbox
05:51.18sarah_STThe Mac has heaps more memory & hard disk and is a more comfortable environmnt for writing...
05:51.19neil_m:|
05:51.22sarah_STwow
05:51.32sarah_STI'd have thought it was just similar speed to the mac
05:51.40neil_mi was like please dont error please!!
05:51.43sarah_ST(ie similar clock speed = similar compiler time)
05:51.44neil_mheh
05:52.03neil_mi've got the C3000 model
05:52.09neil_mdoes the 3100 have the micro drive?
05:52.14sarah_STyes it does
05:52.19neil_mahh ok :)
05:52.28neil_mthe microdrive performance is pretty poor
05:52.35neil_mi think that's what lets it down :|
05:52.42sarah_STah I see
05:52.44sarah_STof course
05:53.03sarah_STQt 4.0.1 took about 10 hours to compile on the mac
05:53.10sarah_STso I thought the Z couldn't be much worse
05:53.13sarah_STI guess maybe it could..
05:53.14neil_mhehe
05:53.25neil_mif i had the time i would set up cross compiler
05:53.39sarah_STok I'll try that first then.
05:53.39neil_mcompile stuff on my amd64
05:53.49neil_mthen party!
05:53.58sarah_STheh yeah newer computers are pretty fast.
05:54.09neil_mwhat kinda desktop is it you have?
05:54.15sarah_STIt amuses me that the Zaurus has a faster CPU than my desktop
05:54.23neil_mhah
05:54.25neil_m:|
05:54.32sarah_STI have an iMac DV SE 400Mhz
05:54.37neil_m;D
05:55.05neil_myou should check out the OE forums on oesf.org
05:55.10neil_mthey are wicked
05:55.12neil_mand have loads of info
05:55.17sarah_STAt work its a generic Intel contraption and that's a lot newer & fater.
05:55.22sarah_STok
05:55.44neil_mcool
05:56.01neil_myou running the original rom?
05:56.17sarah_STI was until a few days ago. I figured I should find out what that's like first.
05:56.47sarah_STOnce I was confident I had enough different kinds of backup to restore it I installed Cacko
05:56.56neil_mcool
05:57.44sarah_STIt's tempting to try OZ some time, but Cacko seems to be better for "typical users"
05:57.55neil_myeh
05:58.01sarah_STWhich is me for the next few months except for adding an app of my own or two
05:58.04neil_mi've got OpenBSD on mine
05:58.08sarah_STcool
05:58.36neil_mi had some galleries of screenshots and camera shots of my Zaurus
05:58.45neil_mbut am in the middle of a site re-write
05:58.49neil_mso they are down at the moment
05:58.50neil_m:|
05:58.53sarah_STdoh :)
05:59.09neil_mjust now am using IceWM
05:59.16neil_mi was using Fluxbox
05:59.17sarah_STI should put a photo of the Z on my site some time.. Might get a few more people using them.
05:59.22neil_mbut it wasnt practical
05:59.24neil_mfor the Z
05:59.30sarah_SToh ok
05:59.37neil_micewm is nice
05:59.53sarah_STSo far I'm happy with qtopia if I can get the apps I want working on it... and being willing to write a couple of apps that should be easy enough.
06:00.04sarah_STI'm looking forward to Qtopia 4 though
06:00.11neil_mi need to put more stuff on it but i dont have the time to compile them all :|
06:00.42neil_mopenbsd 3.9 is out so i gotta update
06:00.57sarah_STFinding time is always the problem :)
06:01.01neil_myeh
06:01.14neil_mespecially when it takes so long to compile stuff
06:01.22neil_mand you dont know if it's going to work or not
06:01.22neil_mheh
06:01.54sarah_STBuy more Z's and do a distributed compile :)
06:02.12sarah_ST(Nifty but impractical idea #837834)
06:02.27neil_myeh hah
06:03.05neil_malso i need like some means of getting packages across without having to reboot into linux to get the packages sent across from my desktop
06:03.10neil_mwhich is a pain
06:03.10sarah_STI've got my work using Qt now so I've been able to learn all that on work time..
06:03.22neil_mcool
06:03.37sarah_SToh, you don't have the Z net connected directly?
06:03.41neil_mnope
06:03.48sarah_STIt makes a difference :)
06:03.50neil_myeh
06:04.01neil_myou got a wifi card or something
06:04.03sarah_STThere's Windows & Mac drivers that'll let you transfer stuff via the USB cable
06:04.03neil_mor just a cable
06:04.12sarah_STI bought a wifi card with the Z.
06:04.12neil_myah
06:04.15neil_mcool
06:04.27sarah_STFigured real networking was part of what I wanted otu of it
06:04.29neil_mdont have a wireless network so i would have to go snoooping
06:04.30neil_m;D
06:04.35sarah_STBeing able to read email in bed etc :)
06:04.50neil_myeh i use my laptop for that
06:04.57sarah_STI use my Z for a laptop :)
06:05.02neil_mbut it's currently out of commission
06:05.11sarah_STOr at least, that's the plan once I get better at setting it up nicely
06:05.35neil_mgetting new LCD screen for laptop on wednesday
06:05.41neil_mif the dude sends it :D
06:05.43sarah_STI still haven't found a way to change the keymap automagically when I plug in a USB keyboard
06:06.08sarah_SToh cool. Did the old one break?
06:06.56neil_myeh i was coding and i bent over to get my pepsi and it slid off of my bed
06:07.04neil_mand the screen is busted
06:07.05neil_m:|
06:07.08sarah_SToops
06:07.12neil_mtotally
06:07.23neil_mso it's in bits just now
06:07.56sarah_STThat's no good.  A real risk with gadgets though.
06:08.01neil_myeh
06:08.18neil_mmy laptop kicks ass, slackware 10.2 on it
06:08.31neil_mtotally supped up all the bit n bobs working
06:09.13sarah_STCool.
06:09.22sarah_STI haven't used Slackware in years.
06:09.42sarah_STAt work I'm using Debian for the server and Ubuntu for the desktop.
06:09.48neil_mcool
06:09.54neil_mso no h8 enabled
06:09.59neil_mor omg optimized
06:10.02neil_m;D
06:10.06sarah_STlol
06:10.20neil_mgentoo ricers!
06:10.41neil_mtheres actually a gentoo port for zaurus arm
06:10.46neil_mhavent really looked at it though
06:10.49sarah_STCool
06:11.12sarah_STI gather OZ is a debian branch
06:11.16sarah_STor something like that
06:11.20neil_mnot sure
06:11.25neil_mnever looked at it
06:11.29neil_mwell apart from screenies
06:11.37sarah_SThehehe
06:11.55sarah_STpart of the problem, as always, is too many choices in some ways and not enough in others
06:12.38sarah_STHere's 10 different ways to package and install software, but not one of them can play DivX movies out of the box. That sort of thing
06:13.35neil_myeh i should compile mplayer so i can watch pr0n on the move
06:13.39neil_m\o.
06:13.42neil_m\o/
06:13.42sarah_STOf course, the open source distributions are all drawing on the same pool of software so it makes sense.
06:13.43neil_mheh
06:14.07sarah_STLOL um yeah I'm sure thats what mplayer is for
06:14.15neil_mtotally
06:14.18neil_mthat and watching 24
06:14.18neil_mheh
06:14.39sarah_STAnd there I was thinking "I have some Invader Zim discs"
06:14.47neil_mhaha
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06:15.27neil_myeh am addicted to teh pr0n damn internet i hate you!!
06:16.10neil_minternet has turned me from a respectable man to a dirty little boy
06:16.14neil_m>:D
06:16.56sarah_STIt's all the internets fault
06:17.02neil_mtotally
06:17.04neil_mi blame the internet
06:17.05sarah_STThere you were minding your own business
06:17.09sarah_STthen along came the internet
06:17.12neil_myes!
06:17.26neil_mexactly am glad you see if from my point of view ;)
06:17.27neil_m:P
06:17.41neil_mso when did you get your Z?
06:17.49sarah_STAbout a month ago
06:17.52neil_mcool
06:18.02sarah_STIt took me ages just to work out how to make a backup
06:18.07neil_mheh
06:18.19sarah_STand to make sense of some of the applications that were just in Japanese
06:18.27neil_mhaha
06:18.30neil_m^_^
06:18.45sarah_STThey never made an official English language version of the C3100
06:18.52neil_m<PROTECTED>
06:19.05neil_mwell where i bought mine they did like a conversion
06:19.13neil_mso it was all in english when i got it
06:19.18neil_mwhich is coo
06:19.38sarah_ST*nods* I got mine converted but half the apps were still Japanese.
06:19.44sarah_STIt wasn't a very full conversion
06:19.45neil_mdoh
06:19.47neil_mthat sux
06:19.55sarah_STCacko fixed that though :)
06:20.01neil_mnice
06:20.21sarah_STEnglish "conversions" are a bit silly since Qtopia is written in English in the first place.
06:20.41neil_myeh
06:21.05neil_mi need to look at the openbsd change logs
06:21.11neil_msee if somethings are fixed
06:21.50neil_mif the power management issues were fixed and also the mouting openbsd in linux that would be schweet
06:22.12neil_mschweet like warm apple pie
06:22.40sarah_STlol
06:23.14sarah_SThrm I should get people here moving... we're planning to go to the shops before they close in 40 mins
06:23.30neil_mwhat time is it in aus?
06:23.40neil_m5pm or something
06:23.49sarah_ST4:23pm
06:23.55neil_mcool
06:24.03neil_mwhat you buying shoes
06:24.04neil_mlol
06:24.06sarah_STAnyway, thanks for the advice.
06:24.11neil_myeh that's cool
06:24.13neil_m:)
06:24.20sarah_STNo, bread & milk before Easter Sunday causes the shops to be closed
06:24.25neil_mdamn!
06:24.43sarah_STyeah. See you around some time :)
06:24.47neil_mohh well have a nice easter then
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08:17.34ljphmm
08:18.34ljpsomeone else in australia has a zaurus
08:19.02ljpand i missed it
08:26.21neil_myes
08:29.23neil_mshe was like where is that noob ljp
08:29.47neil_mheh
08:33.12ljphmm..
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11:05.45mimecarhi
11:14.10Eccohello
11:14.22mimecarmorning Ecco
11:14.35Ecco;-)
11:14.43Eccoit's 1pm here though :-D
11:14.57mimecarhere to
11:15.03mimecar1pm  15
11:16.23mimecarit should be evening instead of morning
11:29.26Ecco;-)
11:29.31EccoWhere do you live mimecar ?
11:29.35EccoIn France maybe ?
11:29.45mimecarmore or less
11:29.50mimecardown of france
11:29.57mimecaron valencia (Spain)
11:31.05mimecardo you live on france ?
11:48.00Eccoyeah, in Marseille
11:48.01Ecco:-)
11:49.06mimecargood place
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17:58.15VaroudisAnyone heard smthng bad about Billioton CF blurtooth and Z?
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20:40.37mimecarhi
20:42.25DrBoBhello mimecar
20:42.37mimecarhi DrBoB
20:43.46DrBoBany news from the world of Zaurus? I'm hoping a new Cacko ROM will come out for the C1000....
20:44.24mimecarno idea about cacko rom
20:45.59DrBoBI'm having some issues with jffs2 taking over all the CPU and essentially locking the system up for minutes at a time....
20:52.04DrBoBother than that, I'm loving the C1000 ... I'm using it right now. IRC, web browser and mplayer playing streaming music... all at the same time
20:52.26mimecarDrBoB: C1000 is better than 5500 :p
20:54.38DrBoBI have a 5500.... it can do just about everyting the C1000 can do... the thumbboard is a problem for chatting though
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