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05:44.55 | sarah_ST | hi |
05:45.01 | neil_m | hai |
05:45.05 | neil_m | 2u |
05:47.41 | sarah_ST | How's things? I bought myself a Zaurus recently and have started fishing around for information |
05:47.54 | neil_m | yo sarah_ST! |
05:48.00 | neil_m | what Z you got |
05:48.12 | sarah_ST | a C3100 |
05:48.18 | neil_m | ahh cool |
05:48.51 | sarah_ST | Yeah. I was upgrading from a Palm and figured I should get the exact computer I want this time and worry about software later :) |
05:49.10 | sarah_ST | Some of the Palm software was bugging me because I couldn't modify it |
05:49.14 | neil_m | best place for information is http://www.zaurususergroup.org/ |
05:49.20 | neil_m | and hte oesf forums |
05:49.37 | neil_m | located in the left of the page under OE Forums |
05:49.48 | neil_m | what sorta info you looking for? |
05:49.51 | sarah_ST | Cool. |
05:50.12 | neil_m | i think most people here get their info there, it's got loads of stuff |
05:50.20 | neil_m | the different roms, models... |
05:50.24 | sarah_ST | Hrm well at the moment, advice on whether to try to get a cross compiler running on my 400Mhz mac or whether to just run a native compiler on the 415mhz Z |
05:50.27 | neil_m | that sorta thing |
05:51.11 | neil_m | well trust me it's slow native compiling |
05:51.12 | neil_m | heh |
05:51.18 | neil_m | took me like 7 hours to compile fluxbox |
05:51.18 | sarah_ST | The Mac has heaps more memory & hard disk and is a more comfortable environmnt for writing... |
05:51.19 | neil_m | :| |
05:51.22 | sarah_ST | wow |
05:51.32 | sarah_ST | I'd have thought it was just similar speed to the mac |
05:51.40 | neil_m | i was like please dont error please!! |
05:51.43 | sarah_ST | (ie similar clock speed = similar compiler time) |
05:51.44 | neil_m | heh |
05:52.03 | neil_m | i've got the C3000 model |
05:52.09 | neil_m | does the 3100 have the micro drive? |
05:52.14 | sarah_ST | yes it does |
05:52.19 | neil_m | ahh ok :) |
05:52.28 | neil_m | the microdrive performance is pretty poor |
05:52.35 | neil_m | i think that's what lets it down :| |
05:52.42 | sarah_ST | ah I see |
05:52.44 | sarah_ST | of course |
05:53.03 | sarah_ST | Qt 4.0.1 took about 10 hours to compile on the mac |
05:53.10 | sarah_ST | so I thought the Z couldn't be much worse |
05:53.13 | sarah_ST | I guess maybe it could.. |
05:53.14 | neil_m | hehe |
05:53.25 | neil_m | if i had the time i would set up cross compiler |
05:53.39 | sarah_ST | ok I'll try that first then. |
05:53.39 | neil_m | compile stuff on my amd64 |
05:53.49 | neil_m | then party! |
05:53.58 | sarah_ST | heh yeah newer computers are pretty fast. |
05:54.09 | neil_m | what kinda desktop is it you have? |
05:54.15 | sarah_ST | It amuses me that the Zaurus has a faster CPU than my desktop |
05:54.23 | neil_m | hah |
05:54.25 | neil_m | :| |
05:54.32 | sarah_ST | I have an iMac DV SE 400Mhz |
05:54.37 | neil_m | ;D |
05:55.05 | neil_m | you should check out the OE forums on oesf.org |
05:55.10 | neil_m | they are wicked |
05:55.12 | neil_m | and have loads of info |
05:55.17 | sarah_ST | At work its a generic Intel contraption and that's a lot newer & fater. |
05:55.22 | sarah_ST | ok |
05:55.44 | neil_m | cool |
05:56.01 | neil_m | you running the original rom? |
05:56.17 | sarah_ST | I was until a few days ago. I figured I should find out what that's like first. |
05:56.47 | sarah_ST | Once I was confident I had enough different kinds of backup to restore it I installed Cacko |
05:56.56 | neil_m | cool |
05:57.44 | sarah_ST | It's tempting to try OZ some time, but Cacko seems to be better for "typical users" |
05:57.55 | neil_m | yeh |
05:58.01 | sarah_ST | Which is me for the next few months except for adding an app of my own or two |
05:58.04 | neil_m | i've got OpenBSD on mine |
05:58.08 | sarah_ST | cool |
05:58.36 | neil_m | i had some galleries of screenshots and camera shots of my Zaurus |
05:58.45 | neil_m | but am in the middle of a site re-write |
05:58.49 | neil_m | so they are down at the moment |
05:58.50 | neil_m | :| |
05:58.53 | sarah_ST | doh :) |
05:59.09 | neil_m | just now am using IceWM |
05:59.16 | neil_m | i was using Fluxbox |
05:59.17 | sarah_ST | I should put a photo of the Z on my site some time.. Might get a few more people using them. |
05:59.22 | neil_m | but it wasnt practical |
05:59.24 | neil_m | for the Z |
05:59.30 | sarah_ST | oh ok |
05:59.37 | neil_m | icewm is nice |
05:59.53 | sarah_ST | So far I'm happy with qtopia if I can get the apps I want working on it... and being willing to write a couple of apps that should be easy enough. |
06:00.04 | sarah_ST | I'm looking forward to Qtopia 4 though |
06:00.11 | neil_m | i need to put more stuff on it but i dont have the time to compile them all :| |
06:00.42 | neil_m | openbsd 3.9 is out so i gotta update |
06:00.57 | sarah_ST | Finding time is always the problem :) |
06:01.01 | neil_m | yeh |
06:01.14 | neil_m | especially when it takes so long to compile stuff |
06:01.22 | neil_m | and you dont know if it's going to work or not |
06:01.22 | neil_m | heh |
06:01.54 | sarah_ST | Buy more Z's and do a distributed compile :) |
06:02.12 | sarah_ST | (Nifty but impractical idea #837834) |
06:02.27 | neil_m | yeh hah |
06:03.05 | neil_m | also i need like some means of getting packages across without having to reboot into linux to get the packages sent across from my desktop |
06:03.10 | neil_m | which is a pain |
06:03.10 | sarah_ST | I've got my work using Qt now so I've been able to learn all that on work time.. |
06:03.22 | neil_m | cool |
06:03.37 | sarah_ST | oh, you don't have the Z net connected directly? |
06:03.41 | neil_m | nope |
06:03.48 | sarah_ST | It makes a difference :) |
06:03.50 | neil_m | yeh |
06:04.01 | neil_m | you got a wifi card or something |
06:04.03 | sarah_ST | There's Windows & Mac drivers that'll let you transfer stuff via the USB cable |
06:04.03 | neil_m | or just a cable |
06:04.12 | sarah_ST | I bought a wifi card with the Z. |
06:04.12 | neil_m | yah |
06:04.15 | neil_m | cool |
06:04.27 | sarah_ST | Figured real networking was part of what I wanted otu of it |
06:04.29 | neil_m | dont have a wireless network so i would have to go snoooping |
06:04.30 | neil_m | ;D |
06:04.35 | sarah_ST | Being able to read email in bed etc :) |
06:04.50 | neil_m | yeh i use my laptop for that |
06:04.57 | sarah_ST | I use my Z for a laptop :) |
06:05.02 | neil_m | but it's currently out of commission |
06:05.11 | sarah_ST | Or at least, that's the plan once I get better at setting it up nicely |
06:05.35 | neil_m | getting new LCD screen for laptop on wednesday |
06:05.41 | neil_m | if the dude sends it :D |
06:05.43 | sarah_ST | I still haven't found a way to change the keymap automagically when I plug in a USB keyboard |
06:06.08 | sarah_ST | oh cool. Did the old one break? |
06:06.56 | neil_m | yeh i was coding and i bent over to get my pepsi and it slid off of my bed |
06:07.04 | neil_m | and the screen is busted |
06:07.05 | neil_m | :| |
06:07.08 | sarah_ST | oops |
06:07.12 | neil_m | totally |
06:07.23 | neil_m | so it's in bits just now |
06:07.56 | sarah_ST | That's no good. A real risk with gadgets though. |
06:08.01 | neil_m | yeh |
06:08.18 | neil_m | my laptop kicks ass, slackware 10.2 on it |
06:08.31 | neil_m | totally supped up all the bit n bobs working |
06:09.13 | sarah_ST | Cool. |
06:09.22 | sarah_ST | I haven't used Slackware in years. |
06:09.42 | sarah_ST | At work I'm using Debian for the server and Ubuntu for the desktop. |
06:09.48 | neil_m | cool |
06:09.54 | neil_m | so no h8 enabled |
06:09.59 | neil_m | or omg optimized |
06:10.02 | neil_m | ;D |
06:10.06 | sarah_ST | lol |
06:10.20 | neil_m | gentoo ricers! |
06:10.41 | neil_m | theres actually a gentoo port for zaurus arm |
06:10.46 | neil_m | havent really looked at it though |
06:10.49 | sarah_ST | Cool |
06:11.12 | sarah_ST | I gather OZ is a debian branch |
06:11.16 | sarah_ST | or something like that |
06:11.20 | neil_m | not sure |
06:11.25 | neil_m | never looked at it |
06:11.29 | neil_m | well apart from screenies |
06:11.37 | sarah_ST | hehehe |
06:11.55 | sarah_ST | part of the problem, as always, is too many choices in some ways and not enough in others |
06:12.38 | sarah_ST | Here's 10 different ways to package and install software, but not one of them can play DivX movies out of the box. That sort of thing |
06:13.35 | neil_m | yeh i should compile mplayer so i can watch pr0n on the move |
06:13.39 | neil_m | \o. |
06:13.42 | neil_m | \o/ |
06:13.42 | sarah_ST | Of course, the open source distributions are all drawing on the same pool of software so it makes sense. |
06:13.43 | neil_m | heh |
06:14.07 | sarah_ST | LOL um yeah I'm sure thats what mplayer is for |
06:14.15 | neil_m | totally |
06:14.18 | neil_m | that and watching 24 |
06:14.18 | neil_m | heh |
06:14.39 | sarah_ST | And there I was thinking "I have some Invader Zim discs" |
06:14.47 | neil_m | haha |
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06:15.27 | neil_m | yeh am addicted to teh pr0n damn internet i hate you!! |
06:16.10 | neil_m | internet has turned me from a respectable man to a dirty little boy |
06:16.14 | neil_m | >:D |
06:16.56 | sarah_ST | It's all the internets fault |
06:17.02 | neil_m | totally |
06:17.04 | neil_m | i blame the internet |
06:17.05 | sarah_ST | There you were minding your own business |
06:17.09 | sarah_ST | then along came the internet |
06:17.12 | neil_m | yes! |
06:17.26 | neil_m | exactly am glad you see if from my point of view ;) |
06:17.27 | neil_m | :P |
06:17.41 | neil_m | so when did you get your Z? |
06:17.49 | sarah_ST | About a month ago |
06:17.52 | neil_m | cool |
06:18.02 | sarah_ST | It took me ages just to work out how to make a backup |
06:18.07 | neil_m | heh |
06:18.19 | sarah_ST | and to make sense of some of the applications that were just in Japanese |
06:18.27 | neil_m | haha |
06:18.30 | neil_m | ^_^ |
06:18.45 | sarah_ST | They never made an official English language version of the C3100 |
06:18.52 | neil_m | <PROTECTED> |
06:19.05 | neil_m | well where i bought mine they did like a conversion |
06:19.13 | neil_m | so it was all in english when i got it |
06:19.18 | neil_m | which is coo |
06:19.38 | sarah_ST | *nods* I got mine converted but half the apps were still Japanese. |
06:19.44 | sarah_ST | It wasn't a very full conversion |
06:19.45 | neil_m | doh |
06:19.47 | neil_m | that sux |
06:19.55 | sarah_ST | Cacko fixed that though :) |
06:20.01 | neil_m | nice |
06:20.21 | sarah_ST | English "conversions" are a bit silly since Qtopia is written in English in the first place. |
06:20.41 | neil_m | yeh |
06:21.05 | neil_m | i need to look at the openbsd change logs |
06:21.11 | neil_m | see if somethings are fixed |
06:21.50 | neil_m | if the power management issues were fixed and also the mouting openbsd in linux that would be schweet |
06:22.12 | neil_m | schweet like warm apple pie |
06:22.40 | sarah_ST | lol |
06:23.14 | sarah_ST | hrm I should get people here moving... we're planning to go to the shops before they close in 40 mins |
06:23.30 | neil_m | what time is it in aus? |
06:23.40 | neil_m | 5pm or something |
06:23.49 | sarah_ST | 4:23pm |
06:23.55 | neil_m | cool |
06:24.03 | neil_m | what you buying shoes |
06:24.04 | neil_m | lol |
06:24.06 | sarah_ST | Anyway, thanks for the advice. |
06:24.11 | neil_m | yeh that's cool |
06:24.13 | neil_m | :) |
06:24.20 | sarah_ST | No, bread & milk before Easter Sunday causes the shops to be closed |
06:24.25 | neil_m | damn! |
06:24.43 | sarah_ST | yeah. See you around some time :) |
06:24.47 | neil_m | ohh well have a nice easter then |
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08:17.34 | ljp | hmm |
08:18.34 | ljp | someone else in australia has a zaurus |
08:19.02 | ljp | and i missed it |
08:26.21 | neil_m | yes |
08:29.23 | neil_m | she was like where is that noob ljp |
08:29.47 | neil_m | heh |
08:33.12 | ljp | hmm.. |
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11:05.45 | mimecar | hi |
11:14.10 | Ecco | hello |
11:14.22 | mimecar | morning Ecco |
11:14.35 | Ecco | ;-) |
11:14.43 | Ecco | it's 1pm here though :-D |
11:14.57 | mimecar | here to |
11:15.03 | mimecar | 1pm 15 |
11:16.23 | mimecar | it should be evening instead of morning |
11:29.26 | Ecco | ;-) |
11:29.31 | Ecco | Where do you live mimecar ? |
11:29.35 | Ecco | In France maybe ? |
11:29.45 | mimecar | more or less |
11:29.50 | mimecar | down of france |
11:29.57 | mimecar | on valencia (Spain) |
11:31.05 | mimecar | do you live on france ? |
11:48.00 | Ecco | yeah, in Marseille |
11:48.01 | Ecco | :-) |
11:49.06 | mimecar | good place |
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17:58.15 | Varoudis | Anyone heard smthng bad about Billioton CF blurtooth and Z? |
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18:37.21 | b_52CEntos | hi |
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20:40.37 | mimecar | hi |
20:42.25 | DrBoB | hello mimecar |
20:42.37 | mimecar | hi DrBoB |
20:43.46 | DrBoB | any news from the world of Zaurus? I'm hoping a new Cacko ROM will come out for the C1000.... |
20:44.24 | mimecar | no idea about cacko rom |
20:45.59 | DrBoB | I'm having some issues with jffs2 taking over all the CPU and essentially locking the system up for minutes at a time.... |
20:52.04 | DrBoB | other than that, I'm loving the C1000 ... I'm using it right now. IRC, web browser and mplayer playing streaming music... all at the same time |
20:52.26 | mimecar | DrBoB: C1000 is better than 5500 :p |
20:54.38 | DrBoB | I have a 5500.... it can do just about everyting the C1000 can do... the thumbboard is a problem for chatting though |
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