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| 03:18.39 | euphem | hey |
| 03:18.50 | euphem | anyone have a suggested for what OS to run on the C1000 ? |
| 03:21.22 | euphem | *suggestion |
| 03:21.22 | euphem | ? |
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| 03:34.33 | ljp | not windows |
| 03:38.10 | subdue | not oz? |
| 03:50.22 | euphem | i've tried pdaxrom, sharp and oz |
| 03:51.05 | euphem | i like pdaxrom the best |
| 03:51.12 | euphem | i can't get mail clients working on the other 2 |
| 03:51.23 | euphem | but pdaxrom disconnects me all the time from wifi |
| 03:51.28 | euphem | and it freezes randomly |
| 03:51.45 | euphem | why don't any of the mail clients work? |
| 03:54.08 | ljp | email on qtopia 2.1 rom works. but no ssl |
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| 03:58.24 | euphem | hmmm |
| 03:58.36 | euphem | where can you get the latest working qtopia rom? |
| 03:58.52 | ljp | qtopia.net. but none for the c1000 |
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| 04:00.34 | euphem | argh. |
| 04:00.40 | euphem | so |
| 04:00.46 | euphem | is there anything but pdaxrom that will do e-mail on c1k ? |
| 04:00.55 | licksjp | hello>ljp |
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| 04:02.48 | ljp | hey licksjp |
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| 04:04.01 | licksjp | r there qtopia.net? |
| 04:04.04 | licksjp | >ljp |
| 04:10.18 | euphem | y can't the c1k do the new version of qtopia? |
| 04:10.30 | ljp | i dont have a c1000 for testing |
| 04:11.56 | euphem | hmmm |
| 04:14.55 | euphem | anyone here have a c1k ? |
| 04:15.14 | licksjp | what c1k?>euphem |
| 04:15.27 | licksjp | c1000? |
| 04:16.32 | euphem | yes |
| 04:16.57 | licksjp | my zaurus SL-C750 |
| 04:17.57 | euphem | hmmm |
| 04:18.03 | euphem | it seems to options are undeveloped |
| 04:18.08 | euphem | *the |
| 04:18.24 | euphem | maybe cacko will be good when it gets out |
| 04:20.54 | euphem | what are you using on your 750? |
| 04:22.07 | licksjp | I'm developping zaurus application and its test>euphem |
| 04:38.12 | euphem | hmmm |
| 04:38.15 | euphem | what application? |
| 04:39.51 | licksjp | but Japanese>euphem |
| 04:40.15 | licksjp | but I want to make english appli,too |
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| 05:43.08 | subdue | I like the sharp rom b/c everything works |
| 05:43.19 | subdue | and I dont have to fight the os |
| 05:43.41 | jasmuz | lol |
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| 06:14.01 | Bamir | anyone know how to change the wallpaper in xserver? in xqt |
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| 06:52.40 | euphem | i'm trying to get pine working |
| 06:52.42 | euphem | any help? |
| 06:53.25 | wallabee | not from me |
| 06:54.36 | euphem | what is the difference between |
| 06:54.40 | euphem | .ipk and .ipkg? |
| 06:55.20 | kendhome | probably nothing |
| 06:55.23 | kendhome | MSDOS sucks :) |
| 06:55.31 | kendhome | i could be wrong |
| 06:55.46 | euphem | man the forum search blows |
| 06:55.56 | euphem | what the hell is wrong with it |
| 06:57.54 | wallabee | don't know, where did your .ipkg came from ? |
| 06:58.14 | euphem | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1053 |
| 06:58.19 | euphem | i got a .ipk file from here |
| 06:58.35 | euphem | someone said something about compressing it in the forums |
| 06:58.42 | euphem | i don't know how to .gz it though |
| 06:58.54 | subdue | ipk's are already compressed |
| 06:58.56 | subdue | you dont touch it |
| 06:59.06 | wallabee | gzip <filename> ? |
| 06:59.17 | subdue | rename the extension |
| 06:59.21 | subdue | that's all |
| 06:59.27 | euphem | to .gz ? |
| 06:59.29 | subdue | oz feeds are compressed |
| 06:59.33 | subdue | usually .gz |
| 06:59.37 | subdue | sometimes .tar |
| 06:59.41 | euphem | this isn't an oz feed |
| 06:59.58 | euphem | it's just a .ipk file sitting around |
| 07:00.31 | euphem | alternately, does anyone know where a pine feed is? |
| 07:01.19 | wallabee | don't know |
| 07:01.39 | wallabee | <-- useless |
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| 07:08.58 | euphem | what do ppl use to check e-mail? |
| 07:09.14 | subdue | gmail |
| 07:09.25 | wallabee | mutt |
| 07:09.35 | euphem | can you send w/ mutt? |
| 07:09.39 | euphem | is it fast? |
| 07:09.43 | euphem | better/same as pineL |
| 07:09.44 | euphem | ? |
| 07:09.52 | wallabee | better without a doubt. |
| 07:10.07 | kendrick | hella better |
| 07:10.08 | wallabee | you'll need an additional software to send mail with mutt |
| 07:10.12 | subdue | either is fine. mutt is just more secure |
| 07:10.13 | euphem | any easy way to get it? |
| 07:10.14 | euphem | k |
| 07:10.16 | euphem | point me! |
| 07:10.43 | wallabee | http://kimux.org/liza/mutt.shtml |
| 07:11.20 | euphem | so |
| 07:11.27 | euphem | what do i need to d'l/ install |
| 07:11.33 | euphem | is there a feed hidden there somewhere? |
| 07:12.09 | subdue | now now, let's not be so helpless |
| 07:12.18 | euphem | i can't read that |
| 07:12.23 | euphem | and i'm not familiar w/ linux |
| 07:12.26 | subdue | so use babelfish or excite |
| 07:12.28 | euphem | i know i need to install some packages |
| 07:12.35 | euphem | but i dont' know how to do that w/out a feed |
| 07:12.38 | subdue | babelfish.altavista.com |
| 07:12.57 | wallabee | euphem: i used the mutt package from here -> http://www.zaurususergroup.org/feed/ |
| 07:13.18 | wallabee | you'll need openssl as well |
| 07:13.22 | subdue | you can probably ignore the word "cacko" |
| 07:14.39 | wallabee | but you'll still have to work on getting a local sendmail so that you can send mail |
| 07:15.05 | subdue | (better off just using gmail) |
| 07:15.18 | wallabee | the previous page suggested the "nomail" package from this feed: http://kimux.org/liza/arc/ |
| 07:15.55 | wallabee | subdue: well, with mutt you can open remote imap/ssl mailboxes |
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| 07:18.43 | subdue | yes, but it'd require him to know linux :) |
| 07:21.10 | wallabee | he was going for pine anyway |
| 07:21.30 | euphem | hmmm |
| 07:21.33 | euphem | i found mutt |
| 07:21.35 | euphem | and installed it |
| 07:21.37 | euphem | but there's no icon |
| 07:21.51 | subdue | lol |
| 07:22.02 | wallabee | you have to launch it from a terminal |
| 07:22.10 | subdue | what rom are you using? |
| 07:22.16 | euphem | babelfish just throws an error when i translate |
| 07:22.18 | euphem | ummm |
| 07:22.23 | euphem | trisoft's stock |
| 07:22.33 | subdue | sharp rom then I think |
| 07:22.42 | subdue | I believe the sharp rom should have a mail app |
| 07:22.56 | euphem | yeah but it wouldn't retrieve my mail |
| 07:23.08 | euphem | how do i launch mutt from terminal? |
| 07:23.18 | wallabee | typing "mutt" should be enough |
| 07:23.21 | euphem | is there a difference b/t terminal and console? |
| 07:23.28 | subdue | same smell |
| 07:23.31 | wallabee | terminology |
| 07:23.43 | subdue | console just has no gui around it |
| 07:25.41 | euphem | hmmm |
| 07:25.44 | euphem | i get this error |
| 07:25.47 | euphem | "mutt" |
| 07:25.48 | euphem | and then |
| 07:26.00 | euphem | "libn curses : no such file or directory" |
| 07:26.08 | euphem | i d'l-ed that, it through an error like |
| 07:26.18 | euphem | "file won't work properly, delete it if it fails" |
| 07:26.19 | subdue | then you need lib ncurses |
| 07:26.27 | euphem | i know |
| 07:26.30 | euphem | i installed it |
| 07:26.34 | euphem | got the same error |
| 07:26.38 | euphem | do i have to reboot? |
| 07:26.41 | subdue | then it's the wrong one |
| 07:26.51 | euphem | there was only 1 |
| 07:26.52 | subdue | or you never exited the terminal session |
| 07:27.04 | wallabee | euphem: i'm using the libncurses from armutils package |
| 07:27.59 | euphem | what is armutils? |
| 07:28.48 | euphem | feed? |
| 07:28.50 | wallabee | a set of common tools missing from the default zaurus system |
| 07:28.55 | subdue | side note: whenever I get stuck, the first place I look in the zug forums |
| 07:29.02 | wallabee | there's one here: http://kimux.org/liza/arc/ |
| 07:29.35 | wallabee | remove your previous libncurse package first |
| 07:34.08 | euphem | waiting for feed to be listed... |
| 07:34.09 | euphem | argh |
| 07:34.55 | euphem | on another note |
| 07:35.00 | euphem | how do i use znester? |
| 07:35.37 | wallabee | no idea |
| 07:35.42 | euphem | man |
| 07:35.49 | euphem | i don't understand this |
| 07:36.00 | euphem | if i use pdaxrom, it freezes and cuts my wifi randomly |
| 07:36.13 | euphem | if i use sharp rom, the e-mail client won't work |
| 07:36.29 | euphem | if i use OZ, everything is the size of a grain of sand |
| 07:36.34 | euphem | and e-mail doesn't work |
| 07:38.05 | wallabee | that's called "immature software" |
| 07:38.49 | euphem | is there any mature software? |
| 07:39.07 | euphem | the z could be so good if there was just a combo that worked |
| 07:39.15 | wallabee | call it experimental software then |
| 07:39.35 | wallabee | yes, it would be so good |
| 07:40.13 | euphem | hmmmm |
| 07:40.17 | euphem | how hard is mutt to use? |
| 07:41.17 | euphem | so |
| 07:41.21 | euphem | how do i setup my mailbox in this thing |
| 07:41.44 | wallabee | depends on your affinity with ncurses-based applications |
| 07:42.18 | euphem | ummm |
| 07:42.23 | wallabee | you can open one without setup when invoking mutt |
| 07:42.25 | euphem | i know this is text based |
| 07:42.34 | wallabee | mutt -f imap[s]://<user>@<host> |
| 07:42.38 | euphem | how do i tell it where my server is and what my name / pwood is |
| 07:42.40 | euphem | hmmm |
| 07:44.06 | wallabee | that's in case you want to access an imap box of course |
| 07:44.53 | euphem | error: no such file or directory |
| 07:45.56 | wallabee | the [s] meant you could type imaps:// for SSL access |
| 07:47.46 | euphem | woohoo |
| 07:47.58 | euphem | so |
| 07:48.01 | euphem | do i accept |
| 07:48.25 | euphem | wooohoo |
| 07:48.31 | euphem | can i do this for gmail? |
| 07:48.43 | wallabee | mmh |
| 07:48.49 | wallabee | gmail is pop3/ssl only right ? |
| 07:48.55 | euphem | um |
| 07:49.03 | wallabee | but it should work, just try |
| 07:49.03 | euphem | i think? |
| 07:49.22 | euphem | pops://louis.alley@gmail.com |
| 07:49.23 | euphem | ??? |
| 07:50.54 | euphem | when i'm typing an e-mail |
| 07:51.00 | euphem | how does it know when i'm finished writing the e-mail |
| 07:51.04 | euphem | what do i have to put in? |
| 07:51.08 | wallabee | :wq |
| 07:51.15 | wallabee | then y for sending |
| 07:51.15 | wallabee | but |
| 07:51.21 | wallabee | sorry but |
| 07:51.33 | wallabee | it will not be sent |
| 07:51.36 | euphem | i did |
| 07:51.38 | euphem | :wq |
| 07:51.41 | euphem | but nothing happened |
| 07:52.36 | wallabee | how that, nothing ? |
| 07:52.59 | euphem | okay so |
| 07:53.05 | euphem | i'm in the body of the e-mail |
| 07:53.11 | euphem | and i press return for a new line |
| 07:53.14 | euphem | and i enter :wq |
| 07:53.20 | euphem | and press ruturn |
| 07:53.21 | euphem | return |
| 07:53.27 | euphem | and i'm not out of the body of the e-mail |
| 07:53.30 | euphem | it treats it like text |
| 07:53.39 | wallabee | you have to leave input mode with Cancel first |
| 07:53.50 | wallabee | before entering your :wq command |
| 07:54.30 | euphem | yay it can't send |
| 07:54.33 | euphem | okay so what's the deal w/ sending |
| 07:54.37 | euphem | what do you have to do? |
| 07:55.37 | wallabee | you'll need a local mailer, because mutt won't directly talk to remote SMTP relay |
| 07:55.49 | euphem | what is a local mailer |
| 07:56.34 | wallabee | a tool that can send mail from your own host |
| 07:57.03 | wallabee | this one was suggested -> http://kimux.org/liza/arc/nomail_0.4.10-3_arm.ipk |
| 07:57.31 | wallabee | it acts as a simple/offline forwarder to your SMTP relay |
| 07:57.42 | euphem | you mean |
| 07:57.45 | euphem | i have to sync? |
| 07:58.17 | wallabee | i mean you'll need an additional software so that mutt can give your mail to your usual smtp relay |
| 07:58.34 | wallabee | this "nomail" thing should be able to do that |
| 07:58.44 | euphem | so i just need that program and i can send w/ my z |
| 07:58.53 | euphem | given that i have it setup properly? |
| 07:59.25 | wallabee | there may be other issues but right, that's it |
| 07:59.37 | euphem | hmmm |
| 07:59.38 | euphem | so |
| 07:59.42 | euphem | now that i have it installed |
| 07:59.45 | euphem | what do i do? |
| 08:00.01 | wallabee | it suggest you fill your /etc/nomail.conf with appropriate values |
| 08:00.30 | wallabee | configure mutt so that it uses nomail instead of default sendmail |
| 08:00.46 | wallabee | set sendmail="/usr/sbin/nomail" in your ~/.muttrc |
| 08:01.12 | euphem | okay so i need to find the configuration files and edit them |
| 08:01.15 | euphem | where do i find them |
| 08:01.21 | euphem | do i do this through terminal? |
| 08:01.31 | wallabee | and execute "nosend" when you're ready to batch send your mails queued from mutt |
| 08:01.57 | wallabee | i suggest you do so |
| 08:03.05 | euphem | how do i edit it? |
| 08:03.10 | euphem | what do i use? |
| 08:03.16 | wallabee | vim |
| 08:03.23 | euphem | vim nomail.conf ? |
| 08:03.33 | wallabee | vim /etc/nomail.conf |
| 08:03.35 | wallabee | probably as root |
| 08:03.43 | euphem | vim command not found |
| 08:03.46 | euphem | i have to install vim |
| 08:03.48 | euphem | blaaah |
| 08:03.58 | wallabee | you could use vi instead |
| 08:04.51 | euphem | okay |
| 08:04.52 | euphem | that worked |
| 08:05.01 | euphem | there are a lot of squares and half squares though |
| 08:05.18 | wallabee | you mean, like unreadable characters ? |
| 08:05.35 | wallabee | i never used this nomail myself so can't really tell if it really works |
| 08:05.42 | euphem | yes |
| 08:05.45 | euphem | probably japanese |
| 08:05.56 | euphem | hmmm |
| 08:06.01 | euphem | at the bottom it says READONLY |
| 08:06.04 | wallabee | oh, you may need a perl interpreter as well, guess you didn't installed that yet.. |
| 08:06.05 | euphem | i can't edit it |
| 08:06.09 | wallabee | yes, do it as root |
| 08:06.18 | euphem | i edit as root |
| 08:06.21 | euphem | how do i log in as root |
| 08:06.31 | wallabee | then force the save :w! |
| 08:06.52 | euphem | and i'm stuck in the editor |
| 08:07.23 | euphem | hmmm |
| 08:07.24 | euphem | okay |
| 08:07.27 | euphem | restarted console |
| 08:07.30 | euphem | how do i become root? |
| 08:07.32 | wallabee | ? |
| 08:07.48 | wallabee | invoke su - |
| 08:08.00 | wallabee | install sudo if you plan to do this on a more regular basis |
| 08:08.40 | wallabee | and gmail won't work from mutt -> http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.mail.mutt.user/day=20050709 |
| 08:09.00 | wallabee | you may need fetchmail as well then |
| 08:09.41 | euphem | argh |
| 08:09.43 | euphem | pains in the bottom |
| 08:10.02 | euphem | i think i might just send everything through gmail |
| 08:10.11 | euphem | and just use mutt to check my university mail |
| 08:10.20 | euphem | kinda sucks that i can't just do it all in one place |
| 08:10.23 | euphem | :-( |
| 08:10.32 | wallabee | honestly, i don't send mails from mutt myself |
| 08:10.50 | wallabee | but that's rather because of charset issues with the terminal |
| 08:11.18 | wallabee | and I don't have need to send mail from my zaurus too |
| 08:13.09 | euphem | yeah |
| 08:13.12 | euphem | that works reasonably well |
| 08:13.52 | euphem | do you know how to make |
| 08:14.13 | euphem | mutt -f imaps://example@example.com |
| 08:14.22 | euphem | one of the drop-down menu choices in terminal? |
| 08:14.44 | wallabee | i rather suggest that you input that in your ~/.muttrc |
| 08:15.11 | wallabee | then just type "mutt" to load the application |
| 08:15.33 | euphem | where is my ~/.muttrc |
| 08:15.36 | euphem | and what is that |
| 08:15.54 | wallabee | that's the pathname to the file |
| 08:16.02 | wallabee | and that's your configuration file |
| 08:16.10 | euphem | and i have to edit it |
| 08:16.12 | euphem | so i have to be root? |
| 08:16.24 | wallabee | not this time, because it's your personal configuration file |
| 08:16.31 | wallabee | in your own home (~) |
| 08:16.33 | euphem | hmmm |
| 08:16.37 | euphem | man where is the tilde |
| 08:16.50 | wallabee | near the backspace |
| 08:17.25 | euphem | ah |
| 08:17.59 | euphem | hmm |
| 08:18.01 | euphem | i said |
| 08:18.08 | euphem | vi ~./muttrc |
| 08:18.11 | euphem | and it says |
| 08:18.18 | wallabee | vi ~/.muttrc |
| 08:18.27 | wallabee | like in "slashdot" |
| 08:18.31 | euphem | /home/zaurus/.muttrc NEW FILE |
| 08:18.42 | euphem | so |
| 08:18.46 | euphem | is this a new file |
| 08:18.52 | euphem | or did i just make a new file in the wrong place |
| 08:18.55 | wallabee | it is |
| 08:19.01 | euphem | so what do i write in it |
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| 08:19.18 | wallabee | at a bare minimum some directives like |
| 08:19.25 | wallabee | set spoolfile="imaps://...." |
| 08:19.37 | wallabee | (although "" are not required) |
| 08:19.55 | wallabee | and set folder=imaps://<user>@<host>/<folder> |
| 08:20.12 | wallabee | if your got a special root folder, such as INBOX |
| 08:20.18 | wallabee | you'll check that later |
| 08:20.32 | euphem | okay |
| 08:20.44 | wallabee | i suggest you put some other configuration which will greatly enhance your mutt experience too |
| 08:20.50 | euphem | so i've written that in the newly created .muttrc file |
| 08:20.55 | wallabee | http://localhost/~wallabee/drafts/Zaurus.html |
| 08:21.04 | wallabee | somewhere near 66% of the file, 4.20.1 |
| 08:21.20 | euphem | can' find localhost |
| 08:21.25 | wallabee | damn |
| 08:21.36 | wallabee | http://wallabee.uu-link.net/drafts/Zaurus.html |
| 08:22.00 | euphem | how old r u |
| 08:22.22 | wallabee | why that ? |
| 08:22.34 | euphem | just wondered why/how you learn this stuff |
| 08:23.02 | euphem | man this server is slow |
| 08:23.30 | euphem | how do i get out of the text editor |
| 08:24.30 | wallabee | well, just spent some time on it |
| 08:24.43 | euphem | i can create an alias for mutt too |
| 08:24.46 | euphem | like m or something |
| 08:24.48 | euphem | right? |
| 08:25.09 | wallabee | if you think that helps |
| 08:25.15 | euphem | yeah the uu-link thing won't load |
| 08:25.20 | euphem | can i get away w/ one line/ |
| 08:25.24 | euphem | will that be helpful |
| 08:25.30 | wallabee | oh right the server's down |
| 08:25.32 | euphem | how do i get out of the text editor |
| 08:26.21 | wallabee | well, it doesn't really matter but if you still want to try this conf -> http://wallabee.free.fr/drafts/Zaurus.html |
| 08:26.35 | wallabee | :wq like before |
| 08:27.49 | euphem | is # comment? |
| 08:28.02 | wallabee | right |
| 08:28.14 | euphem | so i can just highlight that stuff |
| 08:28.17 | euphem | edit it on my computer |
| 08:28.21 | euphem | e-mail it so myself |
| 08:28.27 | euphem | copy it on the zaurus |
| 08:28.30 | euphem | and then paste into that textfile |
| 08:28.31 | euphem | yes? |
| 08:28.33 | wallabee | er.. |
| 08:28.39 | wallabee | you can also open the page from your zaurus |
| 08:28.44 | wallabee | cut and paste to your terminal |
| 08:28.45 | wallabee | and save |
| 08:28.57 | wallabee | but the other way should work too |
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| 08:33.22 | euphem | damn |
| 08:33.28 | euphem | what is the trick to highlighting on this thing |
| 08:37.07 | euphem | hmmm |
| 08:37.13 | euphem | now it says that /.muttrc is busy |
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| 08:48.13 | Tomoe | How are you gentlemen |
| 08:48.31 | euphem | tired |
| 08:48.37 | euphem | and feeling stupid |
| 08:48.38 | Tomoe | me2 |
| 08:48.40 | Tomoe | me2 |
| 08:48.59 | wallabee | me3 |
| 08:49.00 | euphem | at least i can check my mail now |
| 08:49.09 | Tomoe | me2 |
| 08:49.16 | Tomoe | wallabee, lol I'm in akihabara again |
| 08:49.25 | euphem | man |
| 08:49.25 | Tomoe | I'm going to go get that wifi cf soon |
| 08:49.27 | wallabee | tomoe: ha, you got your card now ? |
| 08:49.34 | Tomoe | no, in an hour |
| 08:49.36 | euphem | why is it so hard to edit the stupid .muttrc file |
| 08:49.36 | Tomoe | also an ap |
| 08:49.38 | wallabee | hehe ^^ |
| 08:49.39 | euphem | jeez |
| 08:49.43 | euphem | why is everything so hard |
| 08:49.49 | Tomoe | I'll get linksys' wrt |
| 08:49.52 | Tomoe | 13000Y |
| 08:49.55 | Tomoe | oh right |
| 08:49.59 | wallabee | euphem: you still at trying to edit the file ? |
| 08:50.00 | euphem | you can't even f'ing browse to the file except in the retarded console |
| 08:50.01 | Tomoe | I better lookup info about that tablet pc |
| 08:50.08 | Tomoe | euphem, lol |
| 08:50.09 | euphem | yep |
| 08:50.19 | wallabee | what's the matter |
| 08:50.23 | euphem | i say |
| 08:50.29 | euphem | vi ~/.muttrc |
| 08:50.30 | euphem | and it says |
| 08:50.31 | wallabee | well, just forget about the customization |
| 08:50.38 | euphem | /tmp/baeutbebu is busy |
| 08:51.01 | euphem | NEVER SURRENDER |
| 08:51.04 | euphem | NEVER GIVE UP |
| 08:51.26 | wallabee | sometimes it simpler to surrender |
| 08:51.33 | wallabee | just reboot and try again |
| 08:51.53 | euphem | yeah |
| 08:51.55 | euphem | already did |
| 08:51.56 | euphem | :-p |
| 08:51.58 | euphem | doin it now |
| 08:52.02 | euphem | how do i save |
| 08:52.05 | euphem | when i'm finished writing |
| 08:52.24 | wallabee | :wq like before |
| 08:52.52 | euphem | i press the cancel button b4 typing :wq ? |
| 08:53.07 | wallabee | that's right |
| 08:55.04 | wallabee | tomoe: oh, not getting the asus after all ? |
| 08:55.17 | Tomoe | cannot find it =( |
| 08:55.25 | euphem | for some reason i can't write anything |
| 08:55.27 | euphem | i see |
| 08:55.40 | Tomoe | euphem, are you doing it as root? |
| 08:55.52 | euphem | no |
| 08:55.59 | euphem | i thought u said i didn't need to be root for this one? |
| 08:56.14 | Tomoe | can't hurt |
| 08:56.15 | Tomoe | =P |
| 08:56.29 | euphem | this is a text file |
| 08:56.32 | euphem | why is it so hard |
| 08:56.35 | euphem | to edit a text file |
| 08:56.44 | Tomoe | it's not hard |
| 08:56.50 | Tomoe | IT'S IMPOSSIBLE |
| 08:57.03 | wallabee | tomoe: hehe |
| 08:57.26 | euphem | okay |
| 08:57.31 | euphem | at the bottom of my screen is |
| 08:57.44 | euphem | "/home/root/.muttrc" [New File] |
| 08:57.54 | euphem | and the green cursor is at the top of the screen |
| 08:57.55 | wallabee | hey |
| 08:57.57 | euphem | i'm logged in as root |
| 08:58.05 | euphem | but it won't type anything |
| 08:58.07 | wallabee | unlog then |
| 08:58.10 | euphem | how do i edit it? |
| 08:58.16 | wallabee | i |
| 08:58.19 | euphem | what do i type to edit this file? |
| 08:58.35 | wallabee | i to enter insert mode |
| 08:58.57 | Tomoe | lol |
| 08:58.58 | euphem | do i press cancel before that? |
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| 08:59.18 | wallabee | no need yet |
| 08:59.21 | Tomoe | wallabee, this is the one I've found |
| 08:59.22 | Tomoe | http://www.windowsfordevices.com/files/misc/nec-smartdisplay.gif |
| 08:59.36 | wallabee | it doesn't look bad |
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| 08:59.46 | wallabee | no ref ? |
| 08:59.50 | euphem | i can't paste |
| 08:59.52 | euphem | i can't delete |
| 08:59.56 | Tomoe | LOL |
| 08:59.57 | euphem | wtf! |
| 09:00.00 | Tomoe | THE UNIX HAS U |
| 09:00.03 | wallabee | euphem: ok |
| 09:00.47 | euphem | how do i delete? |
| 09:01.37 | euphem | ???? |
| 09:01.44 | euphem | i managed to paste this crap |
| 09:01.47 | euphem | so how do i delet |
| 09:01.53 | euphem | d? |
| 09:02.04 | wallabee | dd |
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| 09:03.09 | euphem | that deletes whole lines? |
| 09:03.18 | euphem | how do i delete just one character? |
| 09:03.20 | wallabee | http://metawire.org/~wallabee/tmp/muttrc <- just get this file |
| 09:03.28 | wallabee | put it in your ~/.muttrc |
| 09:03.49 | wallabee | i mean rename it as |
| 09:03.57 | wallabee | then edit |
| 09:03.58 | euphem | i have that stuff in there |
| 09:04.03 | euphem | i'm editing now |
| 09:04.20 | euphem | but i can't change example@example.com |
| 09:04.21 | persia | euphem: x |
| 09:04.28 | Tomoe | wallabee, what do you think of planex gw-cf11x card? |
| 09:04.31 | euphem | because i can't use the BS key |
| 09:04.55 | wallabee | tomoe: it specs says it sucks twice the power required by the io-data |
| 09:05.12 | Tomoe | lol |
| 09:05.16 | persia | euphem: move to the first e in example, and try 5dw |
| 09:05.32 | Tomoe | ok then it seems I'll go for io-data one |
| 09:05.32 | Tomoe | =) |
| 09:07.00 | euphem | okay now it says rootfolder |
| 09:07.26 | wallabee | just leave that commented for now |
| 09:07.41 | Tomoe | wallabee, lol I've also found that sharp cf camera for zaurus |
| 09:07.46 | Tomoe | for 1800y I think |
| 09:07.51 | wallabee | fix it if you can't change ?folders with 'c' in muttooo |
| 09:07.51 | euphem | what is the command to delete a character? |
| 09:08.29 | wallabee | x like persia told you |
| 09:08.57 | Tomoe | lol |
| 09:08.59 | Tomoe | =) |
| 09:09.09 | Tomoe | euphem, just google for a vi tutorial |
| 09:09.14 | Tomoe | or install nano or pico |
| 09:09.14 | Tomoe | =P |
| 09:09.28 | licksjp | hello |
| 09:09.37 | Tomoe | hy licksjp |
| 09:09.49 | wallabee | hi licks |
| 09:11.00 | persia | euphem: If you don't want to google, basic instructions are available from ":h" |
| 09:12.44 | Tomoe | 'how do I enter that?' |
| 09:12.46 | Tomoe | =P |
| 09:13.24 | licksjp | brb! |
| 09:13.32 | euphem | how do i make an alias for mutt? |
| 09:14.52 | licksjp | I have to go dinner |
| 09:15.02 | wallabee | put an alias m="mutt -f ..." in your ~?/.bashrc |
| 09:15.02 | licksjp | later > guys |
| 09:15.12 | wallabee | then relog or source ~/.b ashrc |
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| 09:25.57 | euphem | success! |
| 09:26.41 | euphem | i can now hit an icon, press " m [enter] a [password] [enter]" |
| 09:26.43 | euphem | and see my mail! |
| 09:26.48 | euphem | not a bad combo |
| 09:27.02 | wallabee | ^.^/ |
| 09:27.15 | euphem | thx for the help |
| 09:27.19 | euphem | i'm gonna go sleep now |
| 09:27.23 | wallabee | np |
| 09:32.11 | licksjp | tadaima |
| 09:32.26 | wallabee | licksjp: that was fast |
| 09:34.15 | licksjp | ya |
| 09:34.52 | Tomoe | lol |
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| 09:45.16 | Tomoe | see you gents |
| 09:45.21 | Tomoe | I am off2buy some wifi |
| 09:45.23 | Tomoe | kekeke |
| 09:46.00 | madeddie | that's not a very nice quit message |
| 09:53.54 | subdue | would have been better off with gmail |
| 09:56.54 | duper | hi all |
| 10:01.25 | licksjp | hello |
| 10:08.04 | duper | bad weather in shanghai now... |
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| 13:04.02 | Bamir | morning you slakers! |
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| 13:31.50 | licksjp | hellooo |
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| 14:07.13 | Bamir | anyone got vdesk to work with x/qt? |
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| 14:17.25 | Bamir | another fugged up x, restore time.... |
| 14:17.39 | Bamir | rats 5 days old.....crap |
| 14:18.27 | Bamir | anyone got scheduled backups running on thier z? |
| 14:18.39 | Bamir | using cron, or at? |
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| 17:25.05 | euphem | hey room |
| 17:25.16 | euphem | anybody here know a good z AIM client? |
| 17:26.08 | zip| | gaim |
| 17:26.35 | euphem | i can't get it to work |
| 17:26.53 | zip| | did you read the site? |
| 17:26.55 | euphem | i followed the wiki instructions |
| 17:27.06 | euphem | at the top of those it says that its broken anyway |
| 17:27.13 | euphem | it worked under pdaxrom |
| 17:27.27 | euphem | but pdaxrom froze/crashed/disconnect me a lot |
| 17:30.28 | zip| | well i have gaim working fine |
| 17:31.11 | euphem | c1k sharp rom? |
| 17:31.59 | zip| | 6k |
| 17:32.50 | euphem | hmmm |
| 17:32.59 | euphem | man i wish cacko for the c1k would come out |
| 17:33.04 | euphem | and/or pdaxrom would magically be stable |
| 17:35.24 | duper | hi can someone tell me that how to use gprs thru bluetooth on pdaxrom? |
| 17:38.47 | euphem | :-p i want to know that too |
| 17:38.56 | euphem | i think there is a post in the forum |
| 17:39.01 | euphem | search for zaurus modem i think |
| 17:40.58 | duper | emm, have checked the oesf forum |
| 17:44.31 | duper | looks like this: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=9646&hl=bluetooth |
| 17:46.06 | euphem | anyone in here using pdaxrom? |
| 17:46.18 | zip|6kL | i did for a long time |
| 17:46.28 | euphem | did you wifi cut out? |
| 17:46.52 | zip|6kL | i dont remember that being one of my problems with it no |
| 17:47.07 | euphem | did it freeze a lot? |
| 17:47.22 | duper | that i when searching the BT DUN, it failed anyhow |
| 17:47.24 | raduga | there's a new pdaXrom rc |
| 17:47.24 | zip|6kL | nope |
| 17:47.39 | duper | rc10.4 is avail now |
| 17:47.43 | zip|6kL | yeah i was using rc10 |
| 17:47.54 | duper | but pity no rc for sl6k |
| 17:48.04 | zip|6kL | uhh yeah there is |
| 17:48.07 | zip|6kL | dont know about the new one |
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| 17:48.15 | euphem | yeah i tried rc 10.4 |
| 17:48.15 | zip|6kL | http://212.10.30.205/rc10/ |
| 17:48.17 | euphem | crashed too much |
| 17:48.31 | duper | says that with better support moto series |
| 17:48.43 | raduga | 10.4 more crashy than rc10? |
| 17:49.01 | euphem | if not, then similarly |
| 17:49.07 | euphem | i didn't tell much of a difference |
| 17:49.39 | raduga | i'm using CaCko qt mostly, still :/ |
| 17:49.49 | duper | may i ask why got failure when searching the BT DUN? |
| 17:49.56 | raduga | I was holding out for rc11 |
| 17:50.01 | raduga | but I may try 10.4 |
| 17:50.41 | euphem | i think i want to use cacko x/qt |
| 17:50.47 | euphem | i need to get my sd card first though... |
| 17:51.42 | duper | anyway pdaxrom do have a better dev enviorement |
| 18:03.03 | euphem | hmmm |
| 18:03.05 | euphem | yay for opera |
| 18:03.11 | euphem | yay for mutt |
| 18:03.25 | euphem | now i just need to get a jabber client working |
| 18:09.53 | euphem | was pdaxrom ever stable |
| 18:10.04 | euphem | i don't quite understand the versioning system |
| 18:10.14 | euphem | is rc10 like version 10 |
| 18:10.25 | euphem | or does it include an update from a non-zaurus source? |
| 18:10.50 | zip|6kL | rc 10 == release client 10 |
| 18:11.04 | euphem | who releases it? |
| 18:11.22 | euphem | was rc8 / rc9 stable? |
| 18:11.30 | euphem | i mean, the clock doesn't even work! |
| 18:11.50 | euphem | i'm also kind of irritated that open apps don't show up in the bar at the bottom |
| 18:14.59 | euphem | time for shower! |
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| 21:09.14 | Bamir | anyone know how to search for a specific filename? |
| 21:11.03 | kendrick | you can use find on the terminal |
| 21:11.13 | kendrick | find / -name "whatevah" |
| 21:11.30 | kendrick | don't have my Z in front of me, so i'm not sure which version of find is on there, and what it can do |
| 21:21.54 | raduga | you can use wildcards too, but probably need to escape them |
| 21:21.56 | raduga | i.e. |
| 21:22.13 | raduga | find / -name \\*something\\*else |
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| 22:22.51 | TheMaskedUnit | g' evening all |
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| 22:30.48 | licksjp | morning!>TheMaskUnit |
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| 22:40.59 | licksjp | morning!>wallabee |
| 22:41.30 | wallabee | morning licksjp |
| 23:52.45 | ljp | burp |
| 23:54.14 | George | floop |
| 23:54.45 | ljp | i doubt that |
| 23:54.48 | George | what? |
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| 23:55.12 | ljp | you could beat me to death with a handkerchief |
| 23:56.03 | George | dude |
| 23:56.04 | George | it's easy |
| 23:56.10 | George | I just wring your neck with it |
| 23:56.32 | ljp | you couldnt overpower me |
| 23:56.37 | benplaut | ...or smother |
| 23:56.43 | George | oh shut up ljp |
| 23:56.44 | George | I hate you |
| 23:56.47 | George | I WANT YOU TO DIE |
| 23:56.53 | ljp | hmm |
| 23:56.58 | benplaut | !lart |
| 23:57.01 | benplaut | hmm |
| 23:57.06 | ljp | why so angry, G? |
| 23:57.07 | benplaut | this place needs ubotu :P |
| 23:57.15 | George | I've never liked you ljp |
| 23:57.16 | George | you suck |
| 23:57.17 | George | :) |
| 23:57.25 | ljp | hmmm |
| 23:57.31 | ljp | oh well.. your loss |
| 23:57.41 | George | harhar |
| 23:58.00 | ljp | i was going to include you in the free device giveaway |
| 23:58.22 | George | WHAT? |
| 23:58.28 | ljp | too late |
| 23:58.37 | George | what free device giveaway? |
| 23:59.14 | ljp | what does it matter, to late for you :) |
| 23:59.23 | George | just tell me |
| 23:59.33 | benplaut | pick me, pick me! |
| 23:59.36 | benplaut | :P |
| 23:59.44 | George | ljp: you're lying you whore |
