| 00:00.57 | subdue | TaZ|: I've also linked it here http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=6000_ROMs#pdaXrom_ROM |
| 00:01.57 | TaZ| | cool =) |
| 00:02.01 | TaZ| | merci |
| 00:02.07 | TaZ| | thank you subdue! |
| 00:02.07 | TaZ| | :) |
| 00:02.19 | subdue | Phroziac: all I can give you is this http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=5x00_ROMs |
| 00:02.29 | subdue | have to run |
| 00:02.30 | subdue | & |
| 00:02.44 | TaZ| | subdue this page is GREAT!! :) |
| 00:03.14 | Phroziac | thats not helping me subdue |
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| 00:06.13 | subdue | http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Zaurus_How-To_Docs |
| 00:11.06 | Phroziac | weird |
| 00:12.54 | me_rallo | well guys... |
| 00:12.57 | Phroziac | oh |
| 00:13.04 | me_rallo | i must leave, thx for helping ;) |
| 00:13.11 | me_rallo | bye! |
| 00:14.41 | Phroziac | thanks subdue, i actually didnt even notice that before |
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| 00:33.43 | Phroziac | heheh |
| 00:33.56 | Phroziac | computer rebooted when i pulled the zaurus |
| 00:34.12 | Phroziac | can someone tell me the last link i was given? |
| 00:34.28 | zip|6kL | http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Zaurus_How-To_Docs |
| 00:34.42 | Phroziac | thanks |
| 00:34.56 | Phroziac | weird thing is i cant reproduce the reboot |
| 00:36.43 | Phroziac | oh i see |
| 00:36.55 | Phroziac | my zaurus hotplug file got lost in the crash |
| 00:37.23 | luke-jr_ | ...why do you lose files in a crash? :| |
| 00:37.31 | zip|6kL | not saved |
| 00:37.55 | luke-jr_ | it's not a file until its saved |
| 00:38.20 | zip|6kL | blah blha blah |
| 00:38.38 | Phroziac | luke-jr_: filesys corruption |
| 00:38.42 | Phroziac | i saved it...i think |
| 00:38.49 | Phroziac | ok im probably gonna crash now |
| 00:39.00 | Phroziac | didnt |
| 00:39.22 | Phroziac | i sure as hell did save, i even chmodded it. |
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| 00:54.15 | Phroziac | offroadgeek: is that fullscale offroad or RC? |
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| 02:32.37 | Phroziac | i give up with that crap for tonight |
| 02:37.26 | euphem | what crap |
| 02:39.41 | Phroziac | trying to get my linux machine to work with my zaurus 5500 |
| 02:40.14 | Phroziac | i can see in dmesg that it does see the zaurus, but, i cant connect |
| 02:41.20 | Phroziac | any ideas on that? |
| 02:50.06 | luke-jr_ | um |
| 02:50.10 | luke-jr_ | did you config usb0? |
| 02:51.03 | Phroziac | well, i set it up like the faq for linux generic and debian say, but, it seems there is no /dev/usb0 |
| 02:51.20 | Phroziac | what do i need to do to get it there? |
| 02:51.31 | luke-jr_ | who said /dev? |
| 02:52.41 | Phroziac | well doesnt there need to be one for it to work? |
| 02:52.49 | luke-jr_ | there's no /dev/eth0... |
| 02:52.53 | luke-jr_ | yet eth0 works fine |
| 02:53.04 | Phroziac | oh |
| 02:53.18 | Phroziac | well i don't know all that much about hardware with linux |
| 02:53.20 | luke-jr_ | I think some BSDs might use /dev/eth* etc, but not Linux |
| 02:53.24 | luke-jr_ | ifconfig usb0 |
| 02:54.06 | Phroziac | usb0: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
| 02:54.10 | luke-jr_ | modprobe usbnet |
| 02:54.24 | Phroziac | i dont use modules |
| 02:54.29 | luke-jr_ | ... |
| 02:54.42 | Phroziac | i have everything compiled into my kernel |
| 02:54.45 | luke-jr_ | usbnet? |
| 02:54.52 | Phroziac | i'll check, i think so |
| 02:55.20 | Phroziac | yes |
| 02:55.23 | luke-jr_ | lsusb |
| 02:55.53 | Phroziac | am i supposed to type that as a command? |
| 02:56.00 | luke-jr_ | yes |
| 02:56.14 | Phroziac | bash: lsusb: command not found |
| 02:56.34 | luke-jr_ | ... |
| 02:56.43 | luke-jr_ | you using LFS or something? |
| 02:56.43 | Phroziac | oh |
| 02:57.03 | Phroziac | its not there, i tried it as root too |
| 02:57.08 | Phroziac | i don't know what LFS is |
| 02:57.16 | luke-jr_ | what OS are you running? |
| 02:57.24 | luke-jr_ | most Linux-based have lsusb... |
| 02:57.29 | Phroziac | debian |
| 02:57.47 | luke-jr_ | um ok... debian has no excuse for lacking lsusb |
| 02:58.05 | Phroziac | i cant even find it in apt |
| 02:58.07 | luke-jr_ | /usr/sbin/lsusb ? |
| 02:58.19 | Phroziac | nope |
| 02:58.39 | luke-jr_ | apt-get install usbutils? |
| 02:58.59 | Phroziac | 11.5 mb! |
| 02:59.06 | Phroziac | im on dialup |
| 02:59.18 | Phroziac | do i need that? |
| 02:59.21 | luke-jr_ | well, it's about time you get basic system utils =p |
| 02:59.54 | Phroziac | anyway, i can see in my dmesg crap that would show the system can see what the zaurus is |
| 03:00.15 | subdue | if you run debian, you have to use where you grabbed all that from |
| 03:00.21 | subdue | none of the oz stuff or anything else will work |
| 03:00.29 | luke-jr_ | ??? |
| 03:00.32 | Phroziac | what? |
| 03:00.45 | Phroziac | by the way this doesnt tell you anything does it? usb 1-2: Manufacturer: Sharp |
| 03:00.46 | subdue | wherever he grabbed the debian from |
| 03:01.01 | Phroziac | i dont use oz though |
| 03:01.09 | subdue | try the zug forums |
| 03:01.15 | subdue | you might get lucky there |
| 03:01.18 | Phroziac | the debian is on my desktop by the way |
| 03:01.22 | subdue | http://www.oesf.org/forums/ |
| 03:01.44 | Phroziac | the zaurus is stock |
| 03:01.44 | luke-jr_ | Phroziac: you're using OZ, right? |
| 03:01.47 | luke-jr_ | o |
| 03:01.48 | luke-jr_ | hmm |
| 03:01.48 | Phroziac | no luke-jr_ |
| 03:01.55 | subdue | (Phroziac): i dont use oz though |
| 03:02.05 | luke-jr_ | IIRC, Sharp's OS has older usbnet drivers |
| 03:02.11 | luke-jr_ | that I never got to work with latest |
| 03:02.20 | subdue | on the Z. is it debian or sharp os? |
| 03:02.21 | luke-jr_ | might need to port some old 2.4 patches :| |
| 03:02.27 | Phroziac | subdue: sharp |
| 03:02.36 | subdue | and does the usb show up there? |
| 03:02.48 | Phroziac | where do i look for it? |
| 03:02.54 | luke-jr_ | ifconfig usbd0 |
| 03:02.57 | subdue | no |
| 03:03.01 | subdue | in the gui |
| 03:03.04 | subdue | settings |
| 03:03.14 | subdue | network |
| 03:03.25 | subdue | or pclink. I forget what they called it |
| 03:03.44 | Phroziac | im in network |
| 03:03.59 | Phroziac | hmm it doesnt show usb |
| 03:04.27 | subdue | is there a "pclink" icon? |
| 03:04.33 | subdue | in settings |
| 03:04.36 | Phroziac | no |
| 03:04.42 | subdue | red the icons there |
| 03:04.46 | subdue | s/red/read |
| 03:05.53 | Phroziac | add/remove software, appearance, application key, backup restore, beam recieve, date/time, internet wizard, light and power, network and sync, proxim configuration, recalibrate, security, shutdown, wireless lan |
| 03:06.12 | subdue | sync |
| 03:06.30 | Phroziac | thats part of the network thing |
| 03:06.33 | Phroziac | one sec |
| 03:07.23 | Phroziac | i added the usb tcp/ip service |
| 03:09.44 | Phroziac | still not working |
| 03:10.00 | subdue | same ip both sides, and reboot |
| 03:10.15 | Phroziac | same ip? |
| 03:10.35 | Phroziac | i set my nix box up to dhcp, that wont work? |
| 03:10.38 | subdue | phone |
| 03:12.02 | Phroziac | well brb |
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| 03:30.23 | Phroziac | bah, my eth0 died |
| 03:31.10 | Phroziac | i dont even see why it would do that |
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| 03:38.18 | Phroziac | should i just plug it into a windoze box? |
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| 11:48.07 | TaZuo | hello :) |
| 11:48.10 | TaZuo | How to make works, a ipk file who works on OZ, on sharpROM ? |
| 11:56.02 | luke-jr_ | TaZuo: Not likely |
| 12:00.14 | TaZuo | ok |
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| 13:11.08 | Phroziac | blah |
| 13:11.12 | Phroziac | anyone there? |
| 13:11.14 | wayne | yes |
| 13:13.23 | Phroziac | I really would like to sync my (stock rom) zaurus to my debian machine. it seems to see it (as noticed in dmesg), but it denies the existance of usb0 |
| 13:13.34 | Phroziac | i followed the directions on the site |
| 13:14.08 | Phroziac | there is one thing i can think of... "note: one caviat. In addition to the configuration you enter for the vendor and product ids per the howto, in order to ensure hotplugging works properly, you need to set "usbd network class" to 2. " |
| 13:14.23 | Phroziac | I couldn't find that in the kernel config so i skipped it |
| 13:14.35 | wayne | which device are you using? |
| 13:14.44 | Phroziac | 5500 |
| 13:16.36 | Phroziac | i have rom version 2.12 |
| 13:16.53 | wayne | which debian kernel do you have? |
| 13:17.22 | Phroziac | i have 2.6.10, but its a regular one from kernel.org |
| 13:18.38 | wayne | you need the usbnet module |
| 13:18.44 | wayne | err, usbdnet |
| 13:18.52 | wayne | which has the setting you're missing |
| 13:19.06 | Phroziac | bi have usbnet, but i couldnt find anything saying usbdnet |
| 13:19.24 | wayne | hmm than soryr, i don't know more than that |
| 13:21.20 | Phroziac | atleast i finally figured out the handwriting recognition...way better then grafitti :) |
| 13:22.03 | wayne | which graffiti, 1 or 2 ? |
| 13:22.18 | wayne | because it's better than graffiti2, not better than 1, in my opinion |
| 13:22.26 | wayne | graffiti1 is the best i've seen in any handheld, ever |
| 13:22.47 | Phroziac | my palm is an m100, thats what i know |
| 13:23.06 | wayne | ok that's graffiti1 |
| 13:23.20 | wayne | i can't see why you would prefer the zaurus's method |
| 13:24.53 | Phroziac | i just do |
| 13:25.13 | wayne | how long did you use your m100? |
| 13:25.20 | Phroziac | by the way, i'm new to the zaurus. what are the advantages of keeping the stock rom, against the other os's |
| 13:25.24 | Phroziac | i used it for a few years |
| 13:25.32 | Phroziac | I got it new and stopped using it in january |
| 13:26.06 | Phroziac | there were periods of rarely using it, but i got a lot of use on it before the battery change dataloss thing started happening |
| 13:26.16 | wayne | okay |
| 13:26.53 | wayne | about your rom, you basically have 3 other choices |
| 13:27.14 | Phroziac | i do think its kinda silly that it runs linux, but doesn't look like linux (windows handhelds look like windows) |
| 13:27.34 | wayne | Cacko is a modified sharp rom. Softwares are changed, tweaked, as is the memory map and some other things. You probably want to at least try that one |
| 13:28.05 | wayne | that's because linux has nothing graphical. People mix those up. Windows is two things: os + GUI |
| 13:28.20 | wayne | linux is just the OS. |
| 13:28.40 | wayne | a linux pda couldn'T look like linux, but it could look like Gnome with OpenZaurus GPE |
| 13:29.07 | Phroziac | well, that is true, but, when i think of linux with a gui, i think of a sexy x11 interface |
| 13:29.46 | wayne | OpenZaurus OPIE is sexy |
| 13:30.11 | wayne | and OpenZaurus GPE does really look like a sleek gnome desktop |
| 13:30.12 | Phroziac | and on the 5500 what do i do to back the rom up? |
| 13:30.28 | wayne | i have no idea how to do that |
| 13:30.39 | Phroziac | are there any kde's? |
| 13:31.18 | wayne | no, but the Watapon Rom on the zaurus 5600 does have KDE applications (not desktop) |
| 13:34.19 | Phroziac | and it seems like a bunch of bull to get this to sync to linux, i think i might just hook it up on the windows machine in the other room. *barf* |
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| 13:36.42 | Phroziac | oz sounds really nice, especially since yesterday i was told there's a vim for it. any disadvantages? |
| 13:39.21 | wayne | Phroziac: do you plan on having a wifi card on your zaurus? Because that would entirely defeat the purpose of syncing USB. That's what I do. My zaurus "syncs" via wifi |
| 13:39.46 | Phroziac | i dont have wifi |
| 13:39.55 | wayne | yes, it's very slow. OpenZaurus GPE is. OPIE is faster but i couldn' test it thoroughly because it crashed too frequently |
| 13:39.55 | Phroziac | don't plan on using it |
| 13:40.06 | Phroziac | hmmm |
| 13:40.10 | Phroziac | very slow? screw that |
| 13:40.15 | wayne | opie should be considerably faster though |
| 13:40.30 | wayne | you should at lest try it out and see for yourself, like i said, i didn't test it much. |
| 13:40.37 | Phroziac | i think i will try cackle |
| 13:40.50 | wayne | Cacko |
| 13:40.57 | Phroziac | yeah |
| 13:41.33 | Phroziac | what will i do to get the original rom back on it? just download it from sharp and do there install instructions? |
| 13:42.08 | wayne | i'm not sure about the 5500 but if it's anything like the 5600, you can flash it via USB from a windows machine |
| 13:42.58 | Phroziac | well it looks like i can from what i read |
| 13:43.29 | Phroziac | do i need the whole cd to set this up on the windows machine? |
| 13:44.31 | wayne | i'm not sure |
| 13:44.48 | wayne | you may need the CD to install the proper USB drivers so that your unit is recognized |
| 13:44.56 | wayne | the updater software does not contain driver, typically. |
| 13:46.17 | Phroziac | well i have no idea where the cd is, and i dont have the bandwith to download it |
| 13:47.11 | wayne | it's only 25 megs |
| 13:47.59 | Phroziac | ...dialup |
| 13:48.12 | Phroziac | it would take me all day and all night to grab that |
| 13:49.53 | wayne | so? You don'T have to do this today |
| 13:50.15 | Phroziac | When you download stuff on dialup, you have no other bandwith to use |
| 13:50.25 | wayne | on a slow dialup, this download takes 3 and a half hours |
| 13:50.32 | wayne | just set it before you go to bed |
| 13:50.53 | Phroziac | my parents wake up in the middle of the night, shut the computer off, and bitch at me in the morning |
| 13:51.27 | wayne | use a download manager program that shuts down the computer after the download :) |
| 13:52.46 | Phroziac | they always get to it before its done |
| 13:52.51 | Phroziac | i really dont see what the problem is anyway |
| 13:53.00 | Phroziac | i leave my bedroom computer on for a week at a time usually |
| 13:53.27 | licksjp | hello |
| 13:53.48 | wayne | then what's the problem? |
| 13:53.55 | Phroziac | by the way, if i wanted to set up a wireless lan for this, what would it cost? |
| 13:54.03 | Phroziac | wayne: there personalities ;p you know how parents are |
| 13:54.11 | Phroziac | they don't know i leave my computer on like that either |
| 13:54.16 | wayne | Phroziac: yes i know, i'hve had two and I am one :) |
| 13:54.40 | wayne | cheap wifi card is 30$, and a cheap wifi access point would be roughly the same |
| 13:56.31 | licksjp | May I question? |
| 13:56.46 | luke-jr_ | (if you're lucky, you can get wifi for $20 like I did =p) |
| 13:57.14 | wayne | yeah sometimes, stores will make incredible mail-in rebate thingies and whatnot |
| 13:57.47 | luke-jr_ | Phroziac: usbnet Win32 drivers aren't very big-- 196 KB |
| 13:58.20 | luke-jr_ | http://dashjr.org/~luke-jr/mirror/win32/usbnet/ |
| 13:58.21 | Phroziac | luke-jr_: what about the software to sync it? and the windows is xp by the way |
| 13:58.44 | Phroziac | or do i just put the driver on the windows box and access it over the lan? |
| 13:58.50 | luke-jr_ | For XP, don't download *95* |
| 13:58.58 | Phroziac | lol |
| 13:59.23 | Phroziac | and which is cheaper, mmc or cf cards? |
| 13:59.27 | luke-jr_ | CF |
| 13:59.28 | luke-jr_ | but |
| 13:59.36 | luke-jr_ | Wifi is CF-only, last I checked |
| 13:59.45 | luke-jr_ | so SD is better for storage so CF is free for Wifi |
| 13:59.53 | Phroziac | ok |
| 14:00.03 | Phroziac | there isnt wireless built in? |
| 14:00.10 | luke-jr_ | no |
| 14:00.12 | luke-jr_ | ... |
| 14:00.25 | Phroziac | well it had settings for wireless lan, led me to believe it was built in |
| 14:00.58 | luke-jr_ | the software supports wifi |
| 14:01.03 | luke-jr_ | if you have the hardware |
| 14:01.49 | luke-jr_ | Wifi is one of the things Sharp's OS actually does better than most |
| 14:01.51 | wayne | Phroziac: other zaurus unist have wifi builtin, such as the sl-6000 |
| 14:01.54 | luke-jr_ | roaming, at least |
| 14:02.12 | luke-jr_ | wayne: only one version of the 6000, IIRC |
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| 14:02.20 | luke-jr_ | L or something like that |
| 14:02.29 | wayne | luke-jr_: i just wish i had something that scanned for open AP to connect to.. problem is, kismet doesn't support my card :/ |
| 14:02.34 | wayne | luke-jr_: right |
| 14:02.43 | Phroziac | http://dashjr.org/~luke-jr/mirror/win32/usbnet |
| 14:02.55 | luke-jr_ | wayne: Sharp's OS automatically connects to any open AP; kismet doesn't connect at all, AFAIK |
| 14:02.57 | Phroziac | does the zaurus age well by the way? |
| 14:03.02 | luke-jr_ | Phroziac: age well? |
| 14:03.19 | wayne | Phroziac: you're copy/pasting in IRC to give yourself a url across your two computers... that'S funny :) you could /msg yourself |
| 14:03.36 | wayne | luke-jr_: oh, right then |
| 14:03.54 | froz | yeah, is it still fairly modernish, and will it stay that way a while |
| 14:04.04 | wayne | yes |
| 14:04.11 | wayne | they are very well built hardware wise |
| 14:04.21 | wayne | and there's ongoing projects working on the software (such as openzaurus) |
| 14:04.41 | licksjp | I have SL-C750 |
| 14:04.46 | luke-jr_ | wayne: OZ really just packages stuff... =p |
| 14:04.50 | Ph[win] | im on a different kb layout here so dont make me type much |
| 14:04.54 | luke-jr_ | wayne: and there's no roaming Wifi stuff for Linux yet |
| 14:05.02 | Ph[win] | im not good on qwerty anymore |
| 14:05.17 | luke-jr_ | so use dvorak |
| 14:05.27 | wayne | luke-jr_: yes but they package software for the zaurus, which are ongoing projects :) |
| 14:05.35 | Ph[win] | so its my dads computer |
| 14:05.57 | luke-jr_ | I need to work on my Dvorak |
| 14:06.04 | luke-jr_ | Ph[win]: so? |
| 14:06.11 | Ph[win] | actually he wouldnt notice |
| 14:06.13 | luke-jr_ | wayne: What projects are there for roaming? |
| 14:06.22 | luke-jr_ | wayne: I'm not aware of any ongoing |
| 14:06.30 | Ph[win] | hes the worst sf the hnt n peckers |
| 14:06.53 | wayne | luke-jr_: i was not talking about roaming... i was just asnweing the "age well?" question, satating that there's efforts for software on the zaurus right now, so it's unlikely to suddently die |
| 14:07.00 | Ph[win] | to tpe Hello, after the first L, lhunt for it again |
| 14:07.37 | Ph[win] | is it possible to do dvorak on the zaurus? |
| 14:07.53 | luke-jr_ | in theory |
| 14:08.20 | luke-jr_ | Not really tho |
| 14:08.26 | luke-jr_ | notice it's not a full QWERTY kb |
| 14:08.33 | luke-jr_ | lacks the symbols on the right |
| 14:08.38 | luke-jr_ | which Dvorak uses as letters |
| 14:09.23 | Ph[win] | Oh :( |
| 14:09.41 | Ph[win] | oh well im good enough at qwerty to use that thing |
| 14:10.29 | wayne | talking about keyboards |
| 14:10.42 | wayne | does anyone know how to do ALT-key combinations on the 5x00 layout? |
| 14:10.44 | Ph[win] | do i need to reboot after installing the drivers? |
| 14:10.48 | luke-jr_ | Dvorak is nice, but don't forget QWERTY |
| 14:10.54 | luke-jr_ | Ph[win]: dunno |
| 14:10.55 | wayne | i'm trying to do alt-1 or alt-n for irssi |
| 14:12.39 | Ph[win] | found new hardware |
| 14:12.49 | Ph[win] | "usb device" heh |
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| 14:22.36 | Phroziac | Bah |
| 14:23.00 | Phroziac | i right clicked the infs and installed them |
| 14:23.43 | Phroziac | and its still wanting me to install a driver for it |
| 14:23.59 | wayne | just get the sharp cd |
| 14:24.19 | Phroziac | what does it look like? |
| 14:24.33 | Phroziac | is it in a case or envelope? |
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| 14:31.08 | Phroziac | fuck it |
| 14:31.28 | Phroziac | I guess i will just dswnload it |
| 14:31.53 | Phroziac | This was my moms...she NEVER puts disks away |
| 14:32.14 | Phroziac | I just found one that was used once and is ruined.. |
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| 17:38.45 | Phroziac | by the way i hooked my Zaurus 5500 up to the windows box and it works perfectly |
| 17:39.21 | Phroziac | but...whats the most efficient audio format the sharp media player will work with? i'm gonna see about getting a 256mb SD or MMC card |
| 17:39.48 | zip|6kL | mp3 |
| 17:40.19 | Phroziac | hmm for $70 bucks i could get a 512mb mmc card |
| 17:40.30 | Phroziac | but that costs as much as an rc battery pack :/ |
| 17:40.49 | Phroziac | will it actually work with a 256mb card? |
| 17:41.08 | zip|6kL | yeah |
| 17:41.15 | Phroziac | nice |
| 17:41.26 | zip|6kL | u would a) have to encode them really low or b) not have a lot |
| 17:41.36 | Phroziac | i guess its a nice machine then |
| 17:42.31 | Phroziac | 256 would have a decent amount wouldnt it? |
| 17:42.53 | zip|6kL | depending how u encode sure |
| 17:42.59 | Phroziac | 98 kbps |
| 17:43.54 | zip|6kL | yeah gonna sound bad but it will be small |
| 17:44.17 | Phroziac | i did some at that bitrate, played em, they don't sound bad at all |
| 17:45.00 | Phroziac | is anyone making linux pdas anymore? |
| 17:45.16 | zip|6kL | uhh this little company sharp i think there name is |
| 17:45.26 | Phroziac | they still make them? |
| 17:48.57 | Phroziac | i thought they stopped |
| 17:54.52 | raduga | sharp makes plenty of linux pdas |
| 17:54.55 | raduga | but NOT for the US market |
| 17:55.59 | raduga | I think HP made linux pdas as well, though not officially. |
| 17:56.10 | raduga | er. s/hp/compaq/ |
| 17:56.30 | raduga | if you count the funding/support that compaq used to offer the Familiar dev team |
| 17:56.33 | zip|6kL | then thoughs yopy ppl |
| 17:56.46 | raduga | I *think* yopy is dead |
| 17:56.47 | raduga | I can check |
| 17:58.09 | wayne | Phroziac: by the way, if you plan on making mp3s, consider the VBR format which gets a slightly better quality/filesize ratio than plain-vanilla mp3 |
| 17:58.39 | wayne | or consider Ogg vorbis. with respect to filesize, considerably better quality, so for equal quality you'd have even smaller files. |
| 17:59.18 | raduga | yopy.com looks pretty dead to me |
| 17:59.42 | raduga | hrm. |
| 18:00.30 | raduga | palm is reputed to shift over to armlinux for the next major revision of its PDA |
| 18:01.33 | raduga | ok. |
| 18:01.36 | raduga | http://www.yopypda.co.uk/ |
| 18:01.49 | raduga | Very sad to report that the Yopy is now out of manufacture by the Korean Manufacture GMate. |
| 18:01.50 | raduga | (March 2005) |
| 18:03.16 | Phroziac | ok wayne |
| 18:04.07 | raduga | sharp is the only current maker of linux PDAs |
| 18:04.25 | Phroziac | ok |
| 18:05.49 | Phroziac | i really gotta get a life and stop mentally rotting here with my parents |
| 18:06.24 | raduga | your parents aren't rotting you. they are nurturing you. |
| 18:06.26 | koyote | well |
| 18:06.29 | koyote | SORTA |
| 18:06.34 | Phroziac | they ARE rotting me |
| 18:06.39 | koyote | archos is making linux based handhelds |
| 18:06.51 | Phroziac | they want me to rot here with them forever |
| 18:06.53 | raduga | koyote: well, yeah. |
| 18:07.28 | raduga | phroziac: they want to nurture you, so that you can grow up strong, and bright, and proud |
| 18:07.52 | koyote | not sure yet if the external screen capability will get hacked well enough to make those really good laptop replacements |
| 18:07.53 | Phroziac | They want me to rot here until i commit suicide |
| 18:08.09 | raduga | they don't want you to kill yourself. they want you to be happy. |
| 18:08.23 | raduga | and to live a fulfilled and productive life. |
| 18:08.45 | Phroziac | then why is my dad constantly bitching at me and my mom threatening to leave? |
| 18:09.45 | koyote | hey, it's what they *Want*, that doesn't mean that their habits and programs and stress levels (and yours) allow them to express it |
| 18:09.55 | ViV | raduga, you should turn him to dark side of force, use the moment |
| 18:10.13 | koyote | this will help you immensely in life if you can really get down into it: |
| 18:10.55 | koyote | everyone you have met, and will meet, is one of the walking wounded, and has been through more shit than the average fictional torture victim |
| 18:11.13 | Phroziac | you mean they're like me then |
| 18:11.40 | koyote | everyone |
| 18:11.49 | zip|6kL | your face! |
| 18:11.51 | koyote | oh, and no one is right. |
| 18:12.25 | koyote | which doesn't mean anyone is wrong, just that no one is right |
| 18:12.46 | Phroziac | I feel like shoving my foot so far up my dads ass it'll get stuck at the moment. |
| 18:13.16 | koyote | that feeling is the result of a decision you made- to have that feeling |
| 18:13.23 | pgas | ( / nick Phroziac prozac) |
| 18:13.38 | koyote | heheheheh |
| 18:13.40 | Phroziac | fu |
| 18:14.06 | koyote | good jedis get to kick ass, too |
| 18:14.12 | Darth_ViV | don't stop your anger, turn to dark side! |
| 18:14.18 | Darth_ViV | jedis are nothing for now |
| 18:14.21 | koyote | you just have to kick ass without anger |
| 18:15.04 | zip|da | i sense much anger in you |
| 18:15.04 | koyote | da? |
| 18:15.08 | koyote | ah |
| 18:15.18 | Phroziac | Yes, i am very fucking angry, as i usually am |
| 18:15.27 | koyote | doesn't it get old? |
| 18:15.33 | koyote | why not just stop and be happy? |
| 18:15.35 | zip|da | anger, fear and jedi needs these things not |
| 18:15.49 | Phroziac | Why should I? I tried that in the past koyote, then i just get pissed again |
| 18:15.57 | Darth_ViV | let me be your master! |
| 18:15.59 | koyote | it's your decision to get pissed |
| 18:16.07 | koyote | but if it's more fun than enjoying, go for it |
| 18:16.35 | zip|da | wise jedi tell me once this: man who stand on toliot, is high on pot |
| 18:16.51 | koyote | the biggest problem here is that people keep *letting* other *decide* how they feel |
| 18:16.59 | koyote | you get pissed when they 'make you' |
| 18:17.15 | koyote | here == earth, btw |
| 18:18.31 | wayne | Weird getting, this channel is. |
| 18:19.10 | wayne | Philosophically oriented the conversation becomes. |
| 18:19.14 | wayne | Done I am. |
| 18:19.31 | koyote | stick /a fork in you, i will |
| 18:19.35 | koyote | -/ |
| 18:20.20 | wayne | Outside during my break, I will go |
| 18:20.27 | wayne | Which now, is. |
| 18:20.39 | wayne | Right be, back. |
| 18:20.53 | Phroziac | I did just fine for 6 months when i lived with my mom |
| 18:20.59 | zip|6kL | resist urge to farther talk like yoda i must |
| 18:21.08 | Phroziac | so it's not me |
| 18:21.47 | koyote | you aren't supposed to control your emotional state? |
| 18:22.23 | Phroziac | It's fine when you don't live with the asshole you know |
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| 18:23.21 | koyote | pooow |
| 18:23.31 | Darth_ViV | greetings, darth raduga |
| 18:32.35 | wayne | your versioning is all wrong! You should be numbered r2d2.0.1.1 beta and include your build number !! |
| 18:32.43 | wayne | omg omg /pen source bitching |
| 18:32.48 | wayne | s/pen/open |
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| 19:23.11 | Phroziac | I found a vim for the zaurus |
| 19:23.18 | Phroziac | now..wheres the insert key? |
| 19:24.01 | pgas | i ? |
| 19:30.17 | pgas | what is the insert key supposed to do? |
| 19:30.47 | shadowing | allow you to write in the text |
| 19:31.14 | pgas | so i is the answer |
| 19:31.22 | shadowing | yup |
| 19:31.32 | shadowing | for almost all linux distro |
| 19:31.49 | pgas | ?????? |
| 19:31.50 | shadowing | and on the zaurus too |
| 19:32.19 | shadowing | as vi is a standard, it's always the same key ? make sens no ? |
| 19:32.42 | pgas | that's why the "almost" puzzled me a bit |
| 19:33.11 | shadowing | i know, i did it in purpose, sorry |
| 19:33.13 | shadowing | ;) |
| 19:33.21 | r2d3 | 'i' is standard 'insert' for vi |
| 19:33.26 | shadowing | yes |
| 19:33.41 | r2d3 | actually, it predates vi |
| 19:34.50 | Phroziac | ok |
| 19:35.02 | Phroziac | well i never used the i command to go into insert mode |
| 19:35.06 | Phroziac | I always push insert key |
| 19:35.35 | pgas | you can try "a" and "o" also |
| 19:35.39 | r2d3 | I guess this is yet another way your parents have failed you. |
| 19:35.44 | Phroziac | so at the risk of sounding like ive never used vi before, what would i push to get back out of insert mode? |
| 19:35.51 | r2d3 | <esc> |
| 19:35.57 | Phroziac | r2d3: what, letting me have an insert key? |
| 19:36.36 | pgas | cancel button on the 760 |
| 19:37.32 | Phroziac | sweet...a real text editor on my pda |
| 19:38.43 | Phroziac | vim was the first nix text editor ive used (well after nano/pico), and i just like it. never tried anything else. |
| 19:39.50 | r2d3 | i actually used 'ed' first |
| 19:40.12 | r2d3 | it was... not very nice. vi was a significant improvement |
| 19:40.17 | Phroziac | lol |
| 19:40.26 | Phroziac | what was the first good text editor? |
| 19:40.43 | wayne | in the MSDOS world, i have just remembered EDLIN |
| 19:40.47 | wayne | and immediately collapsed |
| 19:40.57 | Phroziac | lol |
| 19:42.05 | Phroziac | bah |
| 19:42.16 | Phroziac | the arrow keys dont work in vim, they just make letters on the sceen |
| 19:42.37 | r2d3 | eh. who uses arrow keys anyway? |
| 19:42.49 | r2d3 | hjkl is all the navigation you need |
| 19:42.55 | Phroziac | hmm |
| 19:43.08 | wayne | it'S asdw for doom, hjkl for vim |
| 19:43.15 | wayne | you kill, or type |
| 19:43.22 | Phroziac | thanks |
| 19:43.26 | Phroziac | ive never played doom on a computer |
| 19:43.31 | Phroziac | i have the genesis 32x version |
| 19:43.56 | wayne | I feel the need to play doom on my zaurus, just so i can say i've done it |
| 19:44.09 | wayne | hmm. if i'm not being too indescrete, how old are you? |
| 19:44.20 | Phroziac | i am 18. |
| 19:44.28 | Phroziac | whats that have to do with it? |
| 19:44.56 | Phroziac | ah nice, arrows work out of edit mode |
| 19:44.59 | wayne | Doom is old |
| 19:45.05 | wayne | i'm old |
| 19:45.06 | wayne | I played doom |
| 19:45.07 | Phroziac | how old is it? |
| 19:45.57 | wayne | 12 years old |
| 19:46.04 | wayne | so you were 6 |
| 19:46.32 | Phroziac | lol |
| 19:46.36 | Phroziac | i did not get it when it was new |
| 19:46.49 | wayne | heehhe i would certainly hope not! |
| 19:46.51 | Phroziac | when i got it 32x was discontinued |
| 19:46.52 | wayne | it was horrible :) |
| 19:46.56 | Phroziac | and was on clearance everywhere |
| 19:47.12 | r2d3 | hrm. |
| 19:47.19 | Phroziac | i think it was 1997...would make me 10 |
| 19:47.20 | r2d3 | the first time I played doom, was on a 286. |
| 19:47.58 | wayne | but there was something before doom: Wolfenstein 3D |
| 19:48.01 | wayne | a year before |
| 19:48.04 | Phroziac | by the way why doesn't uptime seem to work properly? its like the processor does not actually run when the zaurus is "off" |
| 19:48.06 | r2d3 | actually, a pre-alpha renderer tech demo... the final Doom product needed a 386 |
| 19:48.09 | wayne | which was even worse because you shot people |
| 19:48.23 | koyote | wolfenstein! |
| 19:48.26 | koyote | man, that was great |
| 19:48.29 | wayne | yeah |
| 19:48.35 | wayne | with the nazis and all |
| 19:48.37 | r2d3 | the original Castle Wolfenstein was better |
| 19:48.41 | koyote | we used to play it on the old zenith dos lggables |
| 19:48.50 | r2d3 | because while you sometimes shot people, most of the time you just ran away from them |
| 19:49.01 | wayne | yeah well it weas almost entirely different game |
| 19:49.05 | wayne | being 2D and ugly |
| 19:49.06 | koyote | because all we had was luggables and the ibmn mainframe |
| 19:49.18 | wayne | the 3D version got the "realism" thing that shocked everyone |
| 19:49.21 | wayne | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Wolf3dtitle.jpg |
| 19:49.25 | koyote | except there was this hp luggable, but it wouldn't run the wolfenstein |
| 19:49.27 | r2d3 | wolf3d was ugly |
| 19:49.43 | wayne | compared to today's standard |
| 19:49.52 | r2d3 | no, it was ugly on general principles. |
| 19:49.55 | wayne | but 1992's standards for 3d shooters? This was "it" :) (and not ginger) |
| 19:49.59 | r2d3 | the original Wolfenstein was a beautiful game |
| 19:50.08 | r2d3 | no, Wolf3d was ugly in 1992. |
| 19:50.38 | Phroziac | is anyone here actually good at typing on the zaurus keypad? |
| 19:50.59 | r2d3 | yes. |
| 19:51.04 | wayne | Phroziac: i am |
| 19:51.11 | r2d3 | all of us are good at typing on the zaurus- it has an excellent keyboard. |
| 19:51.12 | Phroziac | how do you do it? |
| 19:51.28 | Phroziac | its so tiny, i have to use my fingernails or i push 6 keys at once |
| 19:51.31 | r2d3 | phroziac: for starters, we have a better zaurus than you :) |
| 19:51.51 | Phroziac | new zauruses are bigger? |
| 19:51.57 | Phroziac | you probably have smaller thumbs then i also |
| 19:52.28 | koyote | it's easy to get used to |
| 19:52.32 | koyote | the 6k is, anyway |
| 19:52.35 | Phroziac | i have a 5500 by the way |
| 19:52.40 | r2d3 | wayne: the spirit of the game was ugly. the graphics were garish and overdone. the strategy of the game was mindless and dull. |
| 19:52.42 | Phroziac | whats a 6k keyboard look like? |
| 19:52.47 | r2d3 | wayne: hence, wolf3d was ugly. |
| 19:52.49 | koyote | tiny |
| 19:53.18 | Phroziac | so what, does a full size 105 key keyboard complete with penquin keys fold out of the 6k? ;p |
| 19:53.52 | r2d3 | Castle Wolfenstein, in contrast, was sparing. The theme was more reminiscent of modern snipnog and theieving games |
| 19:54.41 | r2d3 | bullets were rare, and you only used them when all other options were exhausted, and some enemies couldn't be shot at all. |
| 19:55.09 | Phroziac | don't ya hate it when you're either in vim and start typing into command mode, or when you're in nano/pico and typ.e :wq! into a document? |
| 19:55.36 | zip|6kL | have you used vi at all? |
| 19:55.45 | r2d3 | phroziac: no. |
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| 19:56.16 | Phroziac | zip i use vim alot but i occasionally screw up. i have used vi |
| 20:02.12 | Phroziac | r2d3: you never do that? |
| 20:05.23 | wayne | r2d3: for the record, i have an sl-5600 which has the same type of keyboard, and i type very fast |
| 20:06.00 | wayne | r2d3: yes there was no strategy and it was pointless killing, whcich was the point, it'S kinda like saying "classical music lacks guitars" |
| 20:07.56 | wayne | i know that wold3f is a horrible game |
| 20:08.02 | wayne | just like horrible movies and such |
| 20:08.16 | wayne | but it did play an important role in the history of gaming, society wise |
| 20:09.04 | Phroziac | lol |
| 20:09.17 | Phroziac | speaking of horrible movies i know one exactly like what you described |
| 20:09.22 | Phroziac | texas chainsaw masacre |
| 20:09.34 | Phroziac | i watched it for 15 minutes |
| 20:10.02 | Phroziac | no plot at all that i could detect, just a guy running around with a chainsaw |
| 20:10.50 | wayne | didn't see it |
| 20:10.58 | wayne | the title had 3 good reasons not to see it |
| 20:11.15 | Phroziac | lol |
| 20:11.45 | zip|6kL | now i dont have anything wrong with chainsaws |
| 20:12.43 | wayne | ahah |
| 20:13.38 | r2d3 | wayne: my best friend is a classical guitarist |
| 20:14.01 | r2d3 | mostly baroque |
| 20:14.05 | wayne | this invalidates my point |
| 20:14.23 | wayne | then "it's like sayting classical music lacks a cross compiler" |
| 20:14.46 | zip|6kL | they dont have what?!?! thats so unl33t |
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| 20:17.51 | wayne | :) |
| 20:17.52 | wayne | unl33t |
| 20:19.02 | wayne | i have a friend who says "unlol" |
| 20:19.07 | wayne | cracks me up every time :) |
| 20:19.19 | zip|6kL | heh |
| 20:20.22 | Phroziac | how many mhz is the 5500? |
| 20:20.37 | zip|6kL | 12 |
| 20:21.22 | Phroziac | its really that much? |
| 20:21.25 | pgas | 200 |
| 20:21.50 | Phroziac | i overclocked my m100 to 20mhz once. it made a nice hand warmer and was fast, but battery life sucked |
| 20:22.01 | Phroziac | or was that 32mhz |
| 20:22.23 | pgas | http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=General |
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| 20:26.26 | Phroziac | wow, the 5500 sucks compared to the new ones |
| 20:26.47 | Phroziac | but why would you need 128mb internal storage? |
| 20:26.56 | luke-jr_ | ... |
| 20:27.03 | luke-jr_ | 128 MB is small |
| 20:27.09 | luke-jr_ | most computers have at least 40 GB these days |
| 20:27.45 | Phroziac | ...its a HANDHELD |
| 20:27.50 | luke-jr_ | I'm expecting I'll have a hard time fitting KDE in 128 MB |
| 20:27.51 | luke-jr_ | so? |
| 20:28.08 | zip|6kL | yeah my pdfs fill taht pretty quick |
| 20:28.34 | Phroziac | by the way, should i try to get a 500mb mmc card or a 256mb sd? |
| 20:29.08 | luke-jr_ | 8 GB? =p |
| 20:29.21 | luke-jr_ | nobody knows what you're going to use the space for other than you ;) |
| 20:29.31 | Phroziac | i don't know either |
| 20:29.44 | luke-jr_ | lol |
| 20:29.48 | luke-jr_ | wait until you need it, then? |
| 20:29.52 | pgas | Phroziac: it depends on how much money you have..... |
| 20:30.09 | zip|6kL | never used mmc what do they even look like?> |
| 20:30.23 | pgas | the 512 or 1G might be used easily |
| 20:30.31 | Phroziac | pgas: well my birthday is coming up, gonna ask my folks for it. so its more like how much they waste first. |
| 20:30.32 | luke-jr_ | zip|6kL: MMC == SD, but slower and open |
| 20:30.51 | zip|6kL | then who needs it tho open is nice |
| 20:31.05 | luke-jr_ | zip|6kL: Zaurii only supported MMC until recently |
| 20:31.16 | zip|6kL | my 5600 had sd |
| 20:31.18 | ljp | i think it was samsung that announced a 4 gb NAND chip |
| 20:31.19 | luke-jr_ | because there were no SD specs to write drivers with |
| 20:31.22 | Phroziac | my 5500 has sd |
| 20:31.22 | luke-jr_ | zip|6kL: nope |
| 20:31.29 | pgas | Phroziac: you might want debian on your sd for instance: http://www.pocketworkstation.org/ |
| 20:31.41 | luke-jr_ | zip|6kL: try a SD-only card in it ;) |
| 20:31.46 | Phroziac | pgas: whats wrong with stock? |
| 20:31.59 | luke-jr_ | Phroziac: a lot |
| 20:32.03 | ljp | debian is overrated |
| 20:32.16 | Phroziac | and whats so secure about sd? |
| 20:32.32 | ljp | not much the way its implemented on the zaurus |
| 20:32.33 | luke-jr_ | Phroziac: it's closed |
| 20:32.49 | pgas | there are some right management functionalities... |
| 20:33.07 | Phroziac | i think i will ask for the biggest mmc they can afford. |
| 20:33.13 | luke-jr_ | eww DRM? |
| 20:34.07 | Phroziac | bbl |
| 20:34.36 | pgas | luke-jr_: something like that...so I don't know the details... |
| 20:34.49 | pgas | s/so/though/ |
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| 21:15.12 | Phroziac | zaurii are sexier then a bi tall brunette chick |
| 21:17.02 | luke-jr_ | ... |
| 21:17.42 | Phroziac | you dont agree? |
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| 21:23.19 | r2d3 | phroziac: you need to get out more. |
| 21:23.35 | Phroziac | r2d3: heh |
| 21:23.47 | Phroziac | i did not say its sexier then twins |
| 21:33.29 | koyote | though the last one was dating a short bi brunette girl who was more fun. |
| 21:36.15 | luke-jr_ | ... |
| 21:38.56 | koyote | heh |
| 21:39.04 | koyote | my wife is right here :p |
| 21:39.06 | koyote | afk a sec |
| 21:46.23 | wayne | hmm |
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| 21:46.49 | wayne | is there a way to do alt-number combinations on the 5600 keypad? |
| 21:47.16 | luke-jr_ | probably |
| 21:47.26 | luke-jr_ | if you use OZ, ask in #openzaurus |
| 21:47.42 | wayne | nah, i'm on watapon |
| 21:48.35 | luke-jr_ | o.o |
| 21:48.49 | wayne | which is a modified sharp rom |
| 21:48.57 | wayne | like, say, cacko |
| 21:49.07 | luke-jr_ | Sharp's OS doesn't have Ctrl or Alt, IIRC |
| 21:49.31 | wayne | ctrl works through the FN + shift combo |
| 21:50.09 | wayne | except ctrl-x c and v, where Fn + x does it (sometimes) |
| 21:51.24 | subdue | http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Character_Input |
| 21:52.33 | wayne | hmm how to cypy paste that url from terminal to opera... how can i right-click? :) |
| 21:53.10 | luke-jr_ | better question is how to middle-click =p |
| 21:53.20 | wayne | ehhehh |
| 21:54.02 | wayne | damn i'm stuck |
| 21:54.07 | luke-jr_ | In X, selecting copies to X selection |
| 21:54.11 | luke-jr_ | and middle-click pastes |
| 21:54.17 | wayne | oh i know |
| 21:54.28 | wayne | i'll use QKonsole |
| 21:55.18 | subdue | just type it out |
| 21:55.49 | wayne | i udually make a typo and finding it is longer than retyping which is long enoug :) |
| 21:56.42 | wayne | heh |
| 21:56.47 | wayne | thanks for the tip subdue |
| 21:56.50 | subdue | http://tinyurl.com/7w5qe |
| 21:56.53 | subdue | shorter link |
| 21:56.53 | wayne | reading it... |
| 21:57.06 | wayne | i copy pasted it with qkonsole |
| 21:59.49 | wayne | so according to this, no alt. :( |
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