| 00:01.08 | Bryan_W | my Zaurus can't keep a connection via cradle |
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| 00:14.17 | JasonM-Alt | Byran_W: Connected to a Linux box? |
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| 00:22.57 | George- | any Win32 coders here? |
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| 00:23.51 | devnet | hi |
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| 00:26.28 | jcsitte | ahoy |
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| 00:33.03 | jcsitte | Any new apps to test today? |
| 00:33.19 | Disconnect | oz-3.3.6-pre1 if you haven't already ;) |
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| 00:34.23 | jcsitte | that work for 5600 model? |
| 00:34.36 | Disconnect | yep. |
| 00:35.11 | jcsitte | where is the download location? |
| 00:35.18 | jcsitte | All I see is 3.3.5 |
| 00:35.41 | Disconnect | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.51 | Disconnect | hrm. maybe not 5600. lemme look. |
| 00:36.03 | Disconnect | whats the codename for 5600? |
| 00:36.22 | jcsitte | poodle I think |
| 00:36.34 | Disconnect | if its poodle or corgi, its there |
| 00:37.18 | jcsitte | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/experimental/poodle/3.3.6-pre1/ |
| 00:37.24 | jcsitte | That is all i could find. |
| 00:37.33 | jcsitte | looks like it |
| 00:37.36 | jcsitte | :/ |
| 00:37.41 | jcsitte | I may test it out again |
| 00:37.55 | Disconnect | if 5600 is poodle, then thats all you need... |
| 00:38.28 | jcsitte | I guess I can test it. |
| 00:38.35 | jcsitte | Last one was really buggy for me |
| 00:38.52 | jcsitte | I kept getting screen massages on the qtopia desktop |
| 00:38.56 | jcsitte | console messages |
| 00:39.13 | Bryan_W | JasonM-Alt: no, Windows |
| 00:39.16 | jcsitte | It was hard to do anything with those messages |
| 00:39.18 | Disconnect | that was only mildly buggy, and explained (over and over and over and over) both in the channels and on the mailing lists... |
| 00:39.22 | Disconnect | 5 second fix.. |
| 00:39.33 | JasonM-Alt | Bryan_W: Ah. Right. Dunno about Windows connectivity, sorry. |
| 00:39.40 | jcsitte | I just got my Z |
| 00:39.43 | jcsitte | I would not know |
| 00:39.44 | jcsitte | heh |
| 00:39.53 | jcsitte | I got it for xmas |
| 00:39.59 | Bryan_W | have you seen that problem before? |
| 00:40.14 | jcsitte | I still like the sharp rom more on 5600 so far |
| 00:40.16 | jcsitte | most stable |
| 00:41.41 | JasonM-Alt | Bryan_W: Only on Linux boxes. |
| 00:41.59 | JasonM-Alt | The recommended fix is to use the alternate USB driver (uhci instead of ohci) |
| 00:42.15 | Bryan_W | what was the problem? |
| 00:42.29 | JasonM-Alt | Something to do with the host controller freezing. |
| 00:42.37 | JasonM-Alt | I don't actually know the details - I just read it in a FAQ somewhere. |
| 00:49.21 | jcsitte | flashing with latest OZ |
| 00:50.14 | jcsitte | reset |
| 00:50.24 | jcsitte | Anyone test it yet? |
| 00:50.31 | jcsitte | 3.3.6-pre1? |
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| 01:00.07 | MG_Tak | hi ChipX86 |
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| 01:44.24 | jcsitte | Question: Any crazy people out there trying to put Pocket PC on the zaurus? |
| 01:44.57 | jcsitte | I was just wondering if anyone was odd enough to try that? |
| 01:45.36 | absentia | huh? |
| 01:45.38 | absentia | why? |
| 01:45.45 | jcsitte | Don't know why. |
| 01:45.54 | absentia | I sometimes think people just don't get it. |
| 01:45.58 | jcsitte | Just wondering if anyone ever tried it... |
| 01:45.59 | jcsitte | heh |
| 01:46.02 | absentia | no, I take that back |
| 01:46.03 | jcsitte | lol |
| 01:46.12 | absentia | I *constantly* wonder why people are so stupid. |
| 01:46.21 | absentia | sory |
| 01:46.28 | jcsitte | People are odd indeed. |
| 01:46.35 | absentia | such is life, I guess. |
| 01:46.36 | jcsitte | It was just a thought. |
| 01:46.48 | absentia | nothing wrong with thoughts. |
| 01:46.51 | jcsitte | Just wondering if anyone was attempting sacrilage. |
| 01:47.32 | treke|home | it would be a significant amount of work |
| 01:47.56 | jcsitte | I would think so. |
| 01:48.12 | jcsitte | It would be crazy project... |
| 01:48.16 | absentia | why not buy a pocket pc os device if you want pocket pc? |
| 01:48.25 | absentia | it would be.. useless? |
| 01:48.31 | jcsitte | Don't know |
| 01:48.37 | jcsitte | I don't want pocket pc |
| 01:48.42 | treke|home | well it could be an interesting project if it interested you |
| 01:48.45 | absentia | but you want it on the zaurus ? |
| 01:48.48 | absentia | make up your mind ? |
| 01:48.53 | ljp | well, crazy people putting gentoo on their zaurus |
| 01:48.53 | absentia | treke: agreed. |
| 01:49.01 | jcsitte | lol |
| 01:49.11 | absentia | I mean, there are levels of crazy. |
| 01:49.16 | jcsitte | heh |
| 01:49.17 | treke|home | absentia: Wondering if someone has done something and wanting the end result are two different things :) |
| 01:49.18 | absentia | it's not crazy to think or to try or to do... |
| 01:49.28 | absentia | but you have to ask to what end? |
| 01:49.39 | absentia | treke: exactly. |
| 01:49.39 | jcsitte | I like my zaurus |
| 01:49.44 | ljp | the coolness factor |
| 01:49.57 | absentia | my ideas are heretical... |
| 01:50.07 | ljp | 'because it's there' |
| 01:50.14 | absentia | people don't like talking to me for vasrious reasons, that being one of them. |
| 01:50.19 | treke|home | absentia: If I wanted to learn pocket pc development it wouldnt be a bad way to try getting started |
| 01:50.21 | absentia | ljp: bored. |
| 01:50.35 | absentia | treke: why not .. get a pocket pc device? |
| 01:50.39 | absentia | I mean |
| 01:50.49 | absentia | I want x86 / blows compat with the zaurus |
| 01:50.59 | absentia | qemu running wine... etc. |
| 01:51.01 | treke|home | absentia: How does buying a pocketpc device accomplish anything? |
| 01:51.02 | absentia | but there's a reson |
| 01:51.07 | treke|home | absentia: Listen to what I'm saying |
| 01:51.11 | absentia | I still want linux as the base os, though. etc. |
| 01:51.18 | jcsitte | Huh? |
| 01:51.20 | treke|home | You have an inexpensive device, and some info on talking to the hardware |
| 01:51.28 | jcsitte | So you actually would try to make a dual boot zaurus? |
| 01:51.30 | jcsitte | interesting |
| 01:51.34 | absentia | jC: no. |
| 01:51.35 | jcsitte | that would be crazy |
| 01:51.37 | jcsitte | lol |
| 01:51.39 | ljp | ya, if theyd just get a pocket pc device, they wouldnt have to pay the SCO tax |
| 01:51.52 | absentia | ljp: not funny. |
| 01:51.56 | jcsitte | ljp: lol |
| 01:51.59 | treke|home | If you want to learn more about developing a pocketpc implementation for a certain set of hardware, it's a good way to go. |
| 01:52.11 | jcsitte | treke: exactly |
| 01:52.18 | absentia | some people.. actually... believe SCO |
| 01:52.34 | jcsitte | "some people" are stupid |
| 01:52.36 | jcsitte | heh |
| 01:53.28 | absentia | jc: people like to believe/rely on fantasy... |
| 01:53.30 | jcsitte | I wonder how the zaurus community would react if some devs did make a pocket pc ROM for the zaurus |
| 01:53.31 | jcsitte | :/ |
| 01:53.35 | absentia | rather than reality, but that's beside the point. |
| 01:53.42 | absentia | jc: I'd love it! |
| 01:53.45 | jcsitte | this is all just thoughts and ideas |
| 01:53.53 | jcsitte | why is that ab: |
| 01:54.07 | absentia | well, it's more potential. |
| 01:54.20 | absentia | like, escpecially if you could boot/load it off sd/cf |
| 01:54.23 | absentia | it's more power... |
| 01:54.28 | jcsitte | hmmmm |
| 01:54.30 | absentia | why do you think i'm into emulators? |
| 01:54.33 | jcsitte | power hungry? |
| 01:54.35 | ljp | ya, then we could get a linux emulation for the pocket pc that runs on zaurus, so we can run qtopia on it! |
| 01:54.37 | absentia | mess/mame ... |
| 01:54.59 | absentia | bochs/qemu/dosbox ... atari emulators, not so much the nes/gameboy, lynx.. etc. |
| 01:55.12 | absentia | ljp: backwards |
| 01:55.18 | jcsitte | hmmm |
| 01:55.20 | absentia | I do not believe in a windows base os. |
| 01:55.21 | absentia | ever. |
| 01:55.29 | absentia | it's bad enough using linsux on intel arch. |
| 01:55.37 | jcsitte | I just think it would be an odd project |
| 01:55.46 | jcsitte | As far as the hardware is concerned |
| 01:55.47 | absentia | but I'd take that, and I do... over blows any and every day. |
| 01:55.59 | absentia | jc: I like those projects... qpose, etc. |
| 01:56.05 | jcsitte | How much different is the Z from pocket pc hardware? |
| 01:56.08 | absentia | I think the DMCA will be revoked |
| 01:56.25 | absentia | you mean the ipaq w/ windows ce? |
| 01:56.28 | treke|home | jcsitte: jcsitte define pocket pc hardware |
| 01:56.29 | ljp | you have too much faith in the system |
| 01:56.51 | absentia | I can see ipaq w/ familiar is like zaurus +oz (only with a decent community and support) |
| 01:57.00 | jcsitte | umm lets take a ipaq for instance |
| 01:57.08 | treke|home | jcsitte: Which ipaq? |
| 01:57.13 | jcsitte | ummm |
| 01:57.19 | jcsitte | Not sure |
| 01:57.21 | jcsitte | I don't have one |
| 01:57.27 | absentia | I looked... VERY .... deep |
| 01:57.27 | treke|home | jcsitte: In other words, they are all different |
| 01:57.31 | absentia | into ipaq... plus familiar. |
| 01:57.44 | absentia | it DOES appear to be (much?) better than zaurus + oz, etc. |
| 01:57.54 | ljp | how so? |
| 01:57.55 | absentia | but, the zaurus form factor did it. |
| 01:58.10 | absentia | now we have OZ, cacko... I haven't looked at tkc... |
| 01:58.18 | absentia | but it's *something* ... and I am happy for it. |
| 01:58.35 | absentia | so, now I have a tiny zaurus.. no sleeve to get cf + expansion |
| 01:58.45 | absentia | I have since seen an IPAQ.. it's HUGE. |
| 01:59.01 | treke|home | some of them are pretty small |
| 01:59.02 | ljp | the a300 is small |
| 01:59.05 | treke|home | some of them are huge |
| 01:59.14 | jcsitte | all kinds |
| 01:59.15 | jcsitte | heh |
| 01:59.51 | absentia | well, I mean, I love the 700 |
| 01:59.56 | absentia | I have the 5600... I don't like it at all. |
| 02:00.04 | jcsitte | Why is that? |
| 02:00.07 | jcsitte | THat is the model I have |
| 02:00.07 | absentia | the 760 w/ 64mb ram... is all I need. |
| 02:00.10 | jcsitte | It seems ok |
| 02:00.13 | absentia | dude |
| 02:00.22 | absentia | 7x0 is 640x480 ... it MAKES a difference. |
| 02:00.29 | absentia | the keyboard, I can type 40+wpm on it |
| 02:00.29 | jcsitte | true |
| 02:00.29 | jcsitte | heh |
| 02:00.38 | absentia | argh |
| 02:00.40 | absentia | sex and the city |
| 02:00.42 | absentia | new season |
| 02:00.43 | absentia | have to run |
| 02:00.44 | absentia | back in 30 |
| 02:00.45 | jcsitte | lol |
| 02:00.48 | ljp | heh |
| 02:00.52 | jcsitte | I never watch that show |
| 02:00.53 | ljp | freak |
| 02:01.01 | absentia | last season |
| 02:01.13 | ljp | do they show boobs? |
| 02:01.18 | absentia | sometimes. |
| 02:01.31 | jcsitte | Just get out the Jenna Jameson already... |
| 02:01.32 | jcsitte | :p |
| 02:01.39 | jcsitte | Sex in the city is boring... |
| 02:02.21 | ljp | and more |
| 02:02.35 | ljp | bastard |
| 02:02.40 | ljp | :) |
| 02:02.40 | jcsitte | :) |
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| 02:03.12 | ljp | me either, I have the internet |
| 02:04.10 | ljp | bastard |
| 02:04.11 | treke|home | me either, I have a face mask and a baseball bat |
| 02:04.18 | jcsitte | lol |
| 02:04.43 | ljp | I knew you were evil |
| 02:05.01 | jcsitte | lol |
| 02:05.02 | jcsitte | http://jjdavis.net/blog/3boobs.jpg |
| 02:05.47 | ljp | I dont think that is work safe |
| 02:06.13 | W8TVI | its safe... just... odd |
| 02:06.33 | jcsitte | lol |
| 02:07.18 | treke|home | wont load here |
| 02:07.34 | jcsitte | odd |
| 02:07.39 | jcsitte | wget it |
| 02:16.39 | ljp | hmmm.. getting hungry |
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| 02:54.35 | absentia | too painful |
| 02:57.17 | Disconnect | so if opieplayer2 is evil and kino2 won't run w/o libsl, what do I need to get decent video playback on OZ? |
| 02:58.40 | gerrynjr-zaurus | that cako x11 rom looks sweet... |
| 02:58.50 | gerrynjr-zaurus | too bad i dont have an sl series.... |
| 02:58.57 | Disconnect | yah its nice. nothing that even vaguely resembles a PIM though. |
| 02:59.07 | Disconnect | (and why do you need sl?) |
| 02:59.43 | gerrynjr-zaurus | cl |
| 02:59.46 | gerrynjr-zaurus | i meant |
| 02:59.50 | Disconnect | ah |
| 02:59.52 | Disconnect | yah |
| 03:00.16 | absentia | even 700 is probably not enough. |
| 03:00.28 | gerrynjr-zaurus | too bad the car needs new tires... |
| 03:02.08 | absentia | too bad the baby needs new shows? |
| 03:02.12 | absentia | shoes? |
| 03:02.43 | gerrynjr-zaurus | hehe... |
| 03:03.38 | gerrynjr-zaurus | woohoo... my tnt2 ultra card! |
| 03:03.49 | gerrynjr-zaurus | a pentium 166... |
| 03:04.01 | gerrynjr-zaurus | sega dreamcast... |
| 03:04.17 | gerrynjr-zaurus | palm m100 |
| 03:04.30 | gerrynjr-zaurus | kodak dc210 |
| 03:04.38 | gerrynjr-zaurus | damn... |
| 03:04.54 | gerrynjr-zaurus | all my crud is old (that i am willing to sell) |
| 03:05.23 | Disconnect | with controllers and light gun |
| 03:06.19 | gerrynjr-zaurus | i have one of those! |
| 03:06.30 | gerrynjr-zaurus | i also have a turbo grafx 16 |
| 03:06.36 | gerrynjr-zaurus | from NEC |
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| 03:21.22 | mikede | hi I am having issues accessing my compactflash card on my pocketreader |
| 03:21.45 | mikede | I get an error saying: "The semaphore timout period has expired" |
| 03:21.50 | mikede | what does that mean? |
| 03:22.44 | treke|home | erm what OS |
| 03:23.08 | mikede | Windows XP |
| 03:23.38 | treke|home | wierd. Sounds like a buggy driver |
| 03:24.08 | mikede | treke|home - so should I just reinstall my pocketreader drivers? |
| 03:24.17 | treke|home | that might work |
| 03:24.35 | mikede | thnx |
| 03:24.38 | mikede | ill give it a try |
| 03:24.52 | mikede | just a 6-in-1 reader/writer |
| 03:24.54 | treke|home | I'm assuming it's some form of compact flash reader |
| 03:26.08 | mikede | yes |
| 03:30.34 | Bryan_W | ewww semaphores |
| 03:31.13 | treke|home | at least it timed out instead of hanging forever :) |
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| 03:44.46 | ljp | hmmm |
| 03:59.25 | chouimat | niet |
| 03:59.27 | chouimat | nite |
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| 06:14.57 | earHertz | where can I find an up to date verison of libopie? |
| 06:15.17 | treke|home | opie.handhelds.org |
| 06:15.25 | earHertz | thanks |
| 06:16.42 | earHertz | http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/sharprom/latest/libopie1_1.0.0-sharprom_arm.ipk ? fir the sharp rom? |
| 06:17.20 | treke|home | yes |
| 06:17.24 | earHertz | thnaksd |
| 06:22.05 | earHertz | I currently have libopie 1.5-20020930 installed. should I uninstall it before installing libopie1_1.0.0 ? |
| 06:22.21 | treke|home | no need |
| 06:22.52 | earHertz | can I ininstall it after ward, to save space? |
| 06:23.00 | treke|home | ? |
| 06:23.20 | earHertz | er, uninstall it, that is |
| 06:23.42 | treke|home | if you don't want libopie you can uninstall it |
| 06:25.22 | earHertz | can I unstall libopie 1.5, and have all the functionality replaced by libopie1-1.0.0 ? |
| 06:25.32 | treke|home | yes |
| 06:25.41 | treke|home | or you just install libopie1 over the old one |
| 06:26.04 | earHertz | do you know anything about laucherx-batteryapplet? |
| 06:27.22 | earHertz | ah, nevermind, the new libopie seems to have solved my problem with it! |
| 06:41.13 | earHertz | on the sharp rom, is there a key or keyboard activated task-switcher? |
| 07:00.00 | W8TVI | your finger on the bottom of the screen |
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| 07:15.09 | ljp | hmmm |
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| 07:37.26 | weez|working | W8TVI: lol |
| 07:39.54 | W8TVI | :) |
| 07:43.05 | earHertz | I've got a 5600. How can I get bash to do filename completeion when I've su'd root? |
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| 07:45.04 | KhensU | run bash? |
| 07:45.11 | W8TVI | press tab? |
| 07:45.50 | earHertz | running bash works, thabks. |
| 07:46.07 | earHertz | How do I make bah run automatically when I su root? |
| 07:57.41 | earHertz | the cardmin applet isn't seeing my sd card, but it appears to be mounting, because I can get to it via /mnt/card. how can IO get the applet to show? |
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| 08:19.30 | earHertz | I just installed opie-appearance, and made some appearance changes. On reboot, my zaurus hangs at the "Zaurus/Please wait approximately 1 minute.." screen. What can I do? |
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| 08:35.08 | W8TVI | wait |
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| 13:55.00 | earHurts | test |
| 13:55.20 | earHertz | shut up |
| 13:55.33 | earHurts | up yours |
| 13:56.27 | earHertz | screw you |
| 13:59.25 | George- | ROFL |
| 14:02.36 | George- | smashie: wtf |
| 14:03.37 | Foxdie | o.O |
| 14:03.53 | George- | Foxdie: --- Received a CTCP VERSION from smashie |
| 14:04.10 | Foxdie | ah |
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| 14:07.38 | smashie | :P |
| 14:08.03 | George- | smashie: do I know you? |
| 14:08.12 | George- | are you pinhead? |
| 14:27.17 | absentia | re |
| 14:30.33 | earHurts | does the 5600 run an ftp server by default? |
| 14:31.56 | absentia | did you try to ftp to it? |
| 14:32.39 | earHurts | yep |
| 14:32.45 | earHurts | no answer |
| 14:33.52 | NoGood | Can't remember. I only use ssh and sftp on my 5600. works fine |
| 14:36.22 | earHurts | I'm trying to get my windows box to see the zaurus filesystem. will windows explorer understand sftp? |
| 14:37.47 | absentia | each os has a different default setting. |
| 14:38.06 | absentia | if it doesn't run one... you can proably edit /etc/inetd.conf and enable one. |
| 14:38.39 | NoGood | earhurts:oh, yes. But you need to install ssh on the windows box |
| 14:39.30 | earHurts | I've got cygwin's ssh, will that do? |
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| 14:39.43 | absentia | probably. |
| 14:40.02 | absentia | there was a time when ssh1 vs ssh2 was a concern, but that's not so much a concern anymore |
| 14:40.16 | NoGood | yes. thats fine. |
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| 14:40.23 | earHurts | is there an sftp for the sharp rom? |
| 14:41.07 | NoGood | I use the standard rom and ssh/sftp works fine |
| 14:41.26 | earHurts | where do I get them? |
| 14:41.44 | NoGood | One moment. I'll find the link to you.... |
| 14:41.50 | earHurts | thanks |
| 14:42.08 | csmall | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=5 |
| 14:42.47 | csmall | I wish the tkc apps didn't cost money |
| 14:42.59 | csmall | or that there was a zaurus w4z3zzz site heh |
| 14:43.00 | earHertz | it costs money? |
| 14:43.13 | csmall | earHertz, the tkc apps do |
| 14:43.21 | absentia | wihch app do you want ? |
| 14:43.26 | csmall | earHertz, btw that link I pasted is to openssh |
| 14:43.34 | csmall | absentia, any and or all of them ha |
| 14:43.38 | NoGood | earhurts:www.killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 14:43.38 | earHertz | yes, you did |
| 14:44.29 | NoGood | they have lots LOTS of software for your zaurus |
| 14:44.46 | csmall | absentia, I am growing fond of the tkc rom |
| 14:44.48 | csmall | :) |
| 14:45.18 | csmall | I tried OZ twice, the stable and the 3.3.5 |
| 14:45.54 | csmall | both times I couldn't connect to the Z from my PC, I ended up buying a card reader so I don't have to worry about it anymore |
| 14:45.58 | earHurts | lovely, my mp33s are samba'ing to my zaurus, and I'm dl'ing ssh |
| 14:48.21 | absentia | csmall: why? |
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| 14:51.05 | earHurts | how do I install the ssh? it's a tar.gz, not an ipk |
| 14:51.28 | csmall | does it have a readme? |
| 14:54.14 | earHurts | ah, it does |
| 14:54.17 | earHurts | cool |
| 14:54.20 | csmall | :) |
| 15:01.42 | earHurts | it's big: 6.5 MB |
| 15:01.56 | earHurts | glad I got that 512 sd |
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| 15:05.39 | earHurts | does anyone make 1 GB sd cards? |
| 15:06.19 | csmall | I dunno IBM might |
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| 15:11.19 | earHurts | is there any way to switch tasks other than hitting the desired task's icon on the taskbar? |
| 15:12.58 | usual | dunno |
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| 15:19.29 | earHurts | ok, how do I start the sftp server? |
| 15:20.11 | usual | dunno |
| 15:21.46 | usual | I wish they had Q-bert for my zaurus :) |
| 15:22.08 | rev | emmmu |
| 15:22.58 | absentia | anyone nkow the path on zug ehre the cacko roms are kept? |
| 15:23.00 | usual | rev, yea but where can I get a rom for Q-bert to use with the emu |
| 15:23.11 | rev | google is your friend |
| 15:23.16 | usual | rev tried google |
| 15:23.22 | usual | I get a ton of useless sites |
| 15:24.17 | usual | nm |
| 15:24.21 | usual | I think I found it |
| 15:24.22 | usual | heh |
| 15:27.25 | usual | rev any idea what emu would play qbert? I forget what version of atari it was on |
| 15:27.33 | rev | mame, 2600 |
| 15:27.41 | rev | there are qberts for nes |
| 15:27.45 | rev | prolly snes too |
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| 15:30.56 | rev | coleco |
| 15:30.59 | rev | apple2 |
| 15:31.12 | rev | it's all over man |
| 15:31.15 | rev | i reiterate: google |
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| 15:35.35 | absentia | I'd be happy with qemu running on the z... dosbox... |
| 15:42.06 | usual | my Z will be a qbert machine as soon as I get home today heh |
| 15:43.22 | absentia | :-) |
| 15:43.28 | absentia | if you get a mame with decent speed, please let me know. |
| 15:44.11 | usual | are most slow? I was going to try Zmame |
| 15:45.23 | absentia | in general.. I couldn't get maxmame to run at anything > 25% speed |
| 15:46.11 | usual | hopefully I can play qbert with no issues |
| 15:49.22 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:49.26 | George- | go away |
| 15:49.26 | usual | hi |
| 15:50.07 | chouimat | George-: usual is more polite than you |
| 15:50.28 | George- | I know |
| 15:50.30 | George- | now go away |
| 15:51.30 | chouimat | ~whaleslap George- |
| 15:51.40 | | ACTION slaps George- upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
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| 15:53.21 | George- | chouimat: oh do belt up |
| 15:53.38 | W8TVI | George-: grow up. |
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| 15:59.41 | usual | Disconnect, good morning |
| 16:00.52 | George- | W8TVI: you can belt up an' all |
| 16:01.21 | Disconnect | morning |
| 16:03.43 | usual | am I missing a key on the zaurus keyboard that is ctrl |
| 16:06.08 | earHertz | use Fn |
| 16:06.19 | earHertz | or use the software keyboard |
| 16:11.00 | Disconnect | usual: what rom? |
| 16:11.06 | usual | Disconnect, tkc |
| 16:11.15 | Disconnect | cuz c7x0/oz hasn't got a ctrl anymore. :( |
| 16:11.25 | Disconnect | usual: prolly fn or fn-shift. |
| 16:12.16 | usual | like if i want to ctrl+c to cancel a console app |
| 16:12.22 | usual | fn+c? |
| 16:12.27 | earHertz | yup |
| 16:12.49 | usual | wont that do a copy? |
| 16:12.53 | usual | thats what it says above c |
| 16:12.54 | earHertz | fn+ c also copies in the terminal window ;) |
| 16:13.05 | earHertz | if you have text selected |
| 16:13.05 | Disconnect | usual: on cacko/7x0 its fn-x/c/v for ctrl, but the other keys use fn-shift. |
| 16:13.44 | usual | ok, what key scrolls through past console commands? |
| 16:13.44 | earHertz | This is hilarious! |
| 16:13.58 | Disconnect | usual: up? |
| 16:14.15 | earHertz | I'm sftp'ing ito my zaurus from my windows box, and following a symlimk to a samba mount of my pc |
| 16:14.25 | absentia | try running emacs on the pda |
| 16:14.32 | usual | Disconnect, not in tkc rom |
| 16:14.35 | absentia | shift-fn-x shift-fn-s |
| 16:14.39 | absentia | it's annoying as hell. |
| 16:15.33 | usual | Disconnect, I don't see an up key |
| 16:16.44 | jdh41 | usual: the up on the navigator pad thing |
| 16:16.56 | jdh41 | if it has one |
| 16:17.20 | Disconnect | usual: you should either have 'standard' laptop up/down/left/right, or you should have a joypad. either way, hit up on whichever one you have. |
| 16:17.51 | usual | k |
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| 16:34.56 | warmi | hi |
| 16:38.22 | usual | hi |
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| 17:11.50 | usual | CodeWarrior, hi |
| 17:12.11 | CodeWarrior | usual: howdy |
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| 17:18.10 | usual | wb |
| 17:24.43 | knoppix | salut monde |
| 17:27.11 | CAMCAM | salut monseigneur :) |
| 17:29.47 | knoppix | salut |
| 17:30.14 | knoppix | g un problemme avec mon gnoppix |
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| 17:58.35 | George- | treke: you'l be glad to hear I've just laid down massive infrastructure for me to IRC *all the time* at school |
| 17:58.39 | George- | MWAHAHAHA |
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| 17:59.01 | treke | fuck |
| 17:59.16 | George- | treke: httptunnel :D |
| 17:59.36 | George- | treke: tunneling ssh down an httptunnel.. their content filtering can't do anything as it's all encrypted! |
| 17:59.56 | George- | treke: and if I'm feeling particularly lame, I can run XChat over ssh :D |
| 18:00.10 | George- | welcome to a new level of annoyance |
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| 18:06.21 | absentia | :-) |
| 18:06.30 | csmall | what do I do when I try to install a package and it says the package isn't in gzip format can't find control something .gz |
| 18:06.35 | csmall | hi absentia |
| 18:06.37 | csmall | :) |
| 18:06.55 | treke | make sure you arent using familiar or openzaurus packages |
| 18:06.59 | Disconnect | csmall: using a sharp-derived rom? get an older package. |
| 18:07.10 | csmall | I need zlib for tkc rom |
| 18:07.13 | Disconnect | csmall: old ipkg was tar[gz] with debian internals. new ipkg is just debian. |
| 18:07.21 | csmall | ok |
| 18:07.32 | csmall | do i need to upgrade ipkg for tkc rom |
| 18:07.34 | treke | sharp has yet to get with the times |
| 18:07.36 | sashz | csmail - ask proto - i think he will happy help you |
| 18:07.43 | treke | yo sashz |
| 18:08.19 | csmall | sashz, where would I contact him |
| 18:09.07 | sashz | theprototype.org |
| 18:10.51 | treke | sashz: You done any optimizations for X other than just using the w100fb rotation? |
| 18:11.15 | sashz | treke i finshed 2d accel for 2D for framebuffer |
| 18:11.31 | treke | oh? very cool |
| 18:11.32 | sashz | now we wait agreement from ATI |
| 18:12.47 | treke | cool |
| 18:12.48 | sashz | we will wait 3 works days. if there no answer from ati we will publish it with GNU GPL for non-commercial usage (if proto and theKompany want steal it, they will have problems) |
| 18:13.24 | treke | It help performance? |
| 18:13.28 | sashz | yes |
| 18:13.46 | treke | cool. How are you planning to license it if ATI does respond? Closed source? |
| 18:14.19 | sashz | there funny API for lines and rectangles, bitmap copying. |
| 18:15.19 | sashz | i dunno, i have 34 MB disassembled sources and tracing datas. We will think :) |
| 18:16.09 | treke | well then, let's hope ATI doesnt respond :p |
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| 18:16.09 | sashz | i like Open Source for non-commercial usage |
| 18:16.09 | mikede | hi |
| 18:16.09 | sashz | i am paranoic |
| 18:16.20 | sashz | proto and thecompany can steal it |
| 18:16.21 | sashz | :) |
| 18:16.22 | sashz | hehe |
| 18:16.45 | treke | sashz: also, are you planning to switch over to gcc3? I can't see much reason for sticking with gcc2 in X |
| 18:17.00 | sashz | no, X use gcc3 |
| 18:17.07 | absentia | ya |
| 18:17.09 | absentia | X is gcc3 |
| 18:17.14 | sashz | just glibc was compiled with gcc2 |
| 18:17.22 | absentia | sash: what about the overclocking of the cpu? is that dangerous? 471MHz? |
| 18:17.22 | treke | why did you do that? |
| 18:17.52 | mikede | I bought a 6-in-1 card reader for my windows xp PC. It did work, but now I get an error: "The semaphore timeout period has expired" |
| 18:18.25 | sashz | really , now X use stable embedix base. but when we will have all components - ATI, X11 accelerated, stable apps - we will move to new X11 ROM - glibc 2.3.2 based |
| 18:18.42 | treke | ahh that's a good deal. |
| 18:18.57 | treke | Once you move ofver to 2.3.2, people can start grabbing familiar apps |
| 18:19.05 | treke | like the GPE stuff |
| 18:19.21 | sashz | yes. but now primary task - X11 + AtiCore. |
| 18:19.35 | sashz | Now all my think only about it |
| 18:19.42 | treke | looking forward to trying it out if you open source it |
| 18:19.52 | sashz | i hope too |
| 18:20.20 | sashz | tomorrow Mikkel will call to ATI for contact person |
| 18:23.31 | mikede | why am I getting this semaphore error? |
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| 18:24.06 | mallum_ | sashz: hi! |
| 18:25.21 | mallum_ | sashz: what xserver have you written your w100 driver for ? |
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| 18:29.36 | absentia | we will be able to use familiar apps |
| 18:29.37 | absentia | and ipkg find?! |
| 18:29.37 | absentia | ? |
| 18:29.56 | JasonM | yes |
| 18:30.02 | absentia | w0w |
| 18:30.05 | absentia | that will be truly amazing. |
| 18:30.12 | absentia | that's all I really wanted zdebian for |
| 18:30.14 | absentia | was apt-get |
| 18:30.21 | absentia | but using familiar stuff is just as good... |
| 18:30.21 | JasonM | A large amount of software is available at: http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 18:30.34 | absentia | since it will be for embedded, not just arm compiled. |
| 18:34.21 | treke | sashz: Are you using the freedesktop.org X server for your work, or the older xserver? |
| 18:34.55 | csmall | is there a irc channel for tkc rom that anyone knows of? |
| 18:38.44 | absentia | sash: seen this? |
| 18:38.46 | absentia | http://22-DEC-2003@www.tcp-ip.or.jp/~naorou/linuzau/vine-c700.html |
| 18:39.34 | treke | looks like redhat |
| 18:40.16 | absentia | windowmaker... |
| 18:40.51 | warmi | zdebian ? |
| 18:40.57 | absentia | vine |
| 18:43.18 | sashz | vine? yes |
| 18:43.24 | sashz | never install it |
| 18:43.39 | absentia | me either. |
| 18:43.41 | sashz | that is like z debian |
| 18:43.47 | absentia | the window maker just looks nice... |
| 18:43.59 | sashz | we need more compact packages than RPM :) |
| 18:44.06 | absentia | ya, I just like the list of apps... :-> |
| 18:44.07 | sashz | ipk is good |
| 18:44.11 | absentia | no kidding. |
| 18:44.32 | mallum_ | sashz: are you using fd.o kdrive or kdrive from xfree4.3 ? |
| 18:44.50 | absentia | there should be some "extra1.tgz" and "extra2.tgz" for like 128mb mem cards, and for another 128mb, etc... just tons of programs.... |
| 18:45.01 | absentia | ipks are neat, but space is cheap. |
| 18:45.36 | absentia | install X11 rom, install 50,000 ipks... new rom? reflash... install 50,000 ipks... new rom? flash... install 50,000 ipks. |
| 18:47.31 | jdh41 | anyone know if a 2.6 series kernel requires differnt modutils to a 2.4 series one? |
| 18:47.41 | treke | 2.6 doesnt use modutils |
| 18:47.45 | treke | it uses module-init-tools |
| 18:51.08 | jdh41 | thanks |
| 18:53.37 | George- | ok, cya all |
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| 18:58.47 | systemsop | how do you get xboard to work on 3.3.5? |
| 19:04.30 | absentia | I've never gotten qboarsd to work. |
| 19:04.35 | absentia | I did work to get qboard going. |
| 19:04.51 | absentia | I wish there was a decent X11 interface into ICC |
| 19:05.00 | systemsop | i got the gnuchess to work.... on a text screen |
| 19:06.11 | systemsop | slibo looks like a great interface but i haven't been able to find any binaries for it and i'm not prepared to compile it |
| 19:06.22 | absentia | look for qboard... |
| 19:06.23 | absentia | ? |
| 19:06.34 | systemsop | where did you get qboard? i just ran a check on ipkgfind and zero results |
| 19:06.37 | absentia | http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/cknelsen/chess/software.html |
| 19:06.43 | systemsop | thanks |
| 19:06.46 | absentia | you can find most stuff at killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 19:06.56 | absentia | someone mailed me qboard, and I now hot it on my site. |
| 19:07.32 | absentia | it's in the tekprosystems feed and the spy/3/ feed... |
| 19:08.10 | systemsop | whats the url on those feeds? |
| 19:10.27 | absentia | zaurus.spy.org/feeds/ |
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| 19:12.08 | systemsop | thamks |
| 19:12.11 | systemsop | err |
| 19:12.18 | absentia | didja find it ? |
| 19:12.18 | systemsop | thanks even |
| 19:12.24 | systemsop | yes |
| 19:12.26 | absentia | cool |
| 19:12.43 | systemsop | <--- chess master |
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| 19:14.23 | absentia | I'm 'scott' on ICC |
| 19:14.31 | absentia | was scott on fics, but I haven't been there in a while |
| 19:14.37 | absentia | they've probably axed my account by now |
| 19:14.43 | systemsop | i had an odd bout with my dlink air 650w card... it wasn't working correctly... i put it into a card reader and the light came on then i put it back into the zarii and it worked... hrmmm |
| 19:15.00 | absentia | strange |
| 19:15.57 | systemsop | darn spy feed isn't updating in packages... |
| 19:17.18 | absentia | really? |
| 19:18.00 | systemsop | ya i tried http://zaurus.spy.org/feed |
| 19:20.41 | absentia | that's not a feed dir |
| 19:20.46 | absentia | that's a dir of feeds |
| 19:20.53 | absentia | browse there with a broswer |
| 19:20.58 | systemsop | oo sorry my bad |
| 19:21.02 | absentia | the dirs will let you know when the url is a valid feed t use with the package manager |
| 19:21.20 | systemsop | oh do you get to the killefiz feed? |
| 19:21.21 | absentia | zaurus.spy.org/feeds/ |
| 19:21.22 | absentia | is a list |
| 19:21.26 | systemsop | Alternate location... Try: http://zaurus.spy.org/feed ... perhaps feed 3 for qboard_1.1_arm.ipk |
| 19:21.36 | absentia | zaurus.spy.org/feed is just my crap.... more under the plural. |
| 19:21.48 | absentia | system: ya, I know... the "feed" is a bad word. |
| 19:21.52 | absentia | I should update killefiz. |
| 19:22.01 | absentia | it's under feed/3/ |
| 19:22.04 | absentia | I believe |
| 19:22.08 | systemsop | thanks |
| 19:22.11 | treke | ibot, seen killefiz |
| 19:22.23 | | killefiz is currently on #openembedded |
| 19:23.25 | absentia | I make changes to killefiz and they take like a week to appear |
| 19:23.29 | absentia | so I get confused as to what needs changing, etc. |
| 19:23.32 | absentia | so I give up |
| 19:24.36 | systemsop | has anyone gotten wellenriter to work on 3.3.5? |
| 19:25.20 | absentia | I have never managed to get wellenreiter or kismet to work. |
| 19:25.23 | absentia | on any rom, any wifi card. |
| 19:25.33 | systemsop | i had both of them working under 3.2 |
| 19:25.39 | systemsop | well is nice |
| 19:28.07 | systemsop | hey qboard works THANKS! |
| 19:28.31 | absentia | cool |
| 19:30.00 | systemsop | well it kinda runs... heh |
| 19:37.29 | weez|working | absentia: on the sharp rom, I can get kismet to work by manually starting the wifi card |
| 19:44.02 | *** join/#zaurus fcdom (~stsd@London-HSE-ppp3542454.sympatico.ca) |
| 19:44.02 | fcdom | hi |
| 19:44.12 | fcdom | how do I reformat my compactflash card on my zaurus? |
| 19:44.58 | Foxdie | what would you like to format it as? |
| 19:46.19 | fcdom | i just want to clear all the files downloaded onto it |
| 19:46.42 | Foxdie | well then you don't need to format it then |
| 19:46.58 | Foxdie | open up a terminal window and make sure you're either logged in as root or su'd |
| 19:47.06 | Foxdie | type in cd /mnt/cf |
| 19:47.26 | Foxdie | and then rm -r * |
| 19:48.28 | fcdom | ok |
| 19:49.00 | fcdom | Foxdie - my compactflash card comes up on my zaurus but when I try it in my PC reader/writer I cannot view it, I get all these errors |
| 19:49.32 | Foxdie | OH |
| 19:49.40 | Foxdie | in that case a full format is needed |
| 19:50.07 | Foxdie | do you need fat16 or ext2? |
| 19:50.39 | fcdom | not sure, I need this card to do everything, from updating/changings roms to holding files |
| 19:50.52 | fcdom | what is this card originally, fat16? |
| 19:52.54 | JasonM | Usually. |
| 19:53.23 | fcdom | how do I reformat it on my zaurus? |
| 19:54.27 | Foxdie | one sec# |
| 19:54.28 | Foxdie | phone |
| 19:54.34 | fcdom | ok |
| 19:54.43 | JasonM | mkdosfs /dev/hda1 |
| 19:54.55 | JasonM | Make sure its not mounted first though |
| 19:55.15 | rabbit_uk | it should complain if it is |
| 19:55.23 | fcdom | how do I unmount it in x11? |
| 19:55.38 | JasonM | umount /dev/hda1 |
| 19:55.41 | rabbit_uk | open on xterm |
| 19:55.48 | rabbit_uk | open an xterrm |
| 19:56.24 | rabbit_uk | then you can type the commands JasonM is telling you |
| 19:57.26 | fcdom | it says "mkdosfs 2.8 (28 Feb 2001)" |
| 19:57.31 | fcdom | does that mean it's formatted? |
| 19:57.37 | JasonM | Yup |
| 19:57.51 | JasonM | (as long as it wan't immediately followed by an error message) |
| 19:58.00 | fcdom | ok thanks guys |
| 19:58.23 | fcdom | it works! |
| 19:58.24 | fcdom | sweet |
| 19:58.58 | fcdom | does sashz have a "hacked" version of the x11 +ati rom? |
| 19:59.16 | Foxdie | nope |
| 19:59.25 | Foxdie | *coughs* |
| 19:59.31 | fcdom | damn |
| 20:00.02 | fcdom | #cacko |
| 20:00.05 | fcdom | cool |
| 20:00.17 | fcdom | do you know if it's much faster than the "Current" x11? |
| 20:00.52 | fcdom | Foxdie - can I just blantly ask for the x11 + ati rom? |
| 20:04.36 | JasonM | Is there any way of clearining the log that dmesg reads, or adding a marker in it? |
| 20:10.39 | ljp | clearing? |
| 20:10.57 | JasonM | I'm trying to read debug messages and I want to make sure the ones I'm reading are new. |
| 20:11.16 | JasonM | So - either a manually added mark, or clearing the log would be handy |
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| 20:13.30 | fcdom | anyone here try the Quake ipk |
| 20:13.30 | fcdom | ? |
| 20:16.40 | JasonM | fcdom: Yes |
| 20:16.53 | JasonM | On a SL5500 its painfully slow (and pitifully small window) |
| 20:18.09 | sashz | for SL-C7x0 too, but fixed point compiling gve some aceleration |
| 20:18.51 | JasonM | I thought the SL-C7x0 had a 400MHz X-Scale. |
| 20:19.03 | JasonM | Surely that provides some acceleration. |
| 20:19.10 | JasonM | As would the ATi graphics controller. |
| 20:19.29 | fcdom | JasonM - even on a 760/860 it's slow? |
| 20:19.52 | JasonM | I've no idea; I don't own one - yet :) |
| 20:20.05 | treke|home | JasonM: The ati graphics chip isnt used by anything |
| 20:20.18 | JasonM | That's a bit of a waste, isn't it? |
| 20:20.26 | treke|home | yup |
| 20:20.30 | fcdom | JasonM - so there is an ati chip in the zaurus? |
| 20:20.42 | JasonM | Only the C7x0 and C8x0 |
| 20:20.44 | treke|home | JasonM: Sharp uses it for somethings, but that's it |
| 20:20.47 | JasonM | And the SL6000 |
| 20:21.04 | JasonM | Haven't people taken Sharp's libsdl for that reason? |
| 20:21.21 | fcdom | sweet |
| 20:21.26 | treke|home | When did sharp start distributing SDL? |
| 20:21.50 | sashz | libsl included support for YUV RGB overlay |
| 20:21.51 | JasonM | <shrug> I'm just going on what I've heard. |
| 20:22.21 | treke|home | JasonM: ATI has gone out of their way to make their chip as useless as humanly possible |
| 20:22.23 | JasonM | I, personally, have no solid knowledge on this area. |
| 20:23.04 | JasonM | treke|home - Any reason? Or just for the fun of it? |
| 20:23.20 | sashz | class SlDirectPainter : public QObject |
| 20:23.20 | sashz | { |
| 20:23.20 | sashz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.21 | sashz | public: |
| 20:23.21 | sashz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.22 | sashz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.24 | sashz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.25 | sashz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.27 | sashz | // int width(void); |
| 20:23.29 | sashz | // int height(void); |
| 20:23.31 | sashz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.33 | sashz | private slots: |
| 20:23.35 | sashz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.37 | sashz | }; |
| 20:23.50 | sashz | that include overlay mode from libsl |
| 20:23.56 | treke|home | JasonM: No clue. It's funny watching their chip go pretty much unsupported though :) |
| 20:23.59 | sashz | aaah |
| 20:24.03 | sashz | that turn overlay mode |
| 20:24.18 | sashz | that used in Kino2 |
| 20:24.33 | sashz | you never get it from Ati :) hehe |
| 20:25.24 | sashz | ups, from sharp mean :) |
| 20:25.30 | _Psycho | sahsz you ever rechecked for the 3 lines of garbage while playing movies ? :) |
| 20:25.43 | _Psycho | sashz* too ! |
| 20:25.46 | sashz | yes, damn, i forgot fixed it |
| 20:26.00 | _Psycho | oh ! =p |
| 20:26.08 | sashz | i put fb start on ATI internal registers |
| 20:26.54 | csmall | bash-2.05# ipkg install zlib_1.1.2_arm.ipk |
| 20:26.54 | csmall | zcat: zlib_1.1.2_arm.ipk: not in gzip format |
| 20:26.54 | csmall | zcat: stdin: unexpected end of file |
| 20:26.54 | csmall | ipkg_install_file: ERROR unpacking control.tar.gz from zlib_1.1.2_arm.ipk |
| 20:27.02 | csmall | what is wrong with that package? |
| 20:28.12 | treke|home | csmall: Is it an openzaurus or familiar package? |
| 20:29.03 | csmall | treke|home, not that I know of, I posted to the forums at the sharp community site and someone replied with that package saying it should be compatible with the tkc rom |
| 20:29.21 | treke|home | try unpacking it with ar |
| 20:30.07 | csmall | rar? |
| 20:30.23 | sashz | ar x zlib_1.1.2_arm.ipk |
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| 20:31.46 | csmall | I guess I need to install the ar package and if you mean rar I don't have that ont he z either, maybe I'll unpack it in windows and transfer it to a sd |
| 20:31.56 | JasonM | Is there any hardware documentation for the Zaurus available? |
| 20:32.28 | sashz | http://developer.intel.com |
| 20:32.34 | sashz | for Xscale |
| 20:32.44 | sashz | there base of Z hardware |
| 20:33.06 | JasonM | I'm interested in the MMC controller. |
| 20:33.20 | csmall | sashz, I extracted it, now what do I do witht he files? |
| 20:33.50 | treke|home | csmall: copy data.tar.gz onto the zaurus and untar it |
| 20:33.58 | sashz | csmail: cd /; gzip -dc data.tar.gz | tar xvf - |
| 20:34.26 | sashz | JasonM: there in application notes was about MMC realization |
| 20:34.54 | JasonM | Ok - thanks |
| 20:38.07 | *** join/#zaurus GrepLine (GrepLine@demolitionman.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:38.43 | csmall | ok, there were errors extracting it but I have a libzlib file now, where do I put it and do I have to link it |
| 20:39.31 | sashz | copy it in /usr/lib and run ldconfig |
| 20:39.39 | csmall | k |
| 20:41.58 | csmall | sashz, I don't seem to have ldconfig |
| 20:43.09 | sashz | csmail: you have C7x0? |
| 20:43.14 | csmall | 5500 |
| 20:43.50 | sashz | ahh. so , just copy lib to /usr/lib |
| 20:43.55 | csmall | ok |
| 20:44.03 | csmall | thanks |
| 20:45.56 | GrepLine | Anyone has the glibc-arm-2.2.2-0.tar.gz available? I want to build a GCC cross compiler |
| 20:45.56 | fcdom | how long does it take to erase a nand restore? |
| 20:46.46 | GrepLine | fcdom: why would you do that? |
| 20:47.52 | fcdom | I am putting OZ on. I am at the stage where it is erasing all previous information, and it has been doing so for 10+ minutes |
| 20:49.23 | GrepLine | fcdom: seems like a long time to me, never had to wait that long |
| 20:49.46 | fcdom | GrepLine - can I simply unplug the battery or will it mess up my zaurus? |
| 20:51.54 | GrepLine | fcdom: I wouldn't do that if I were you, what did you do so far? |
| 20:52.06 | fcdom | I just did the OK/Power On |
| 20:52.11 | fcdom | hit #4 |
| 20:52.16 | fcdom | hit CF and then hit Yes |
| 20:52.23 | fcdom | and it's now doing it's own thing |
| 20:52.33 | jdh41 | GrepLine: can't you get that file out of an ftp or cvs? |
| 20:53.26 | GrepLine | jdh41: couldn't find it, all links seem to be dead |
| 20:54.50 | jdh41 | will 2.2.5 do? |
| 20:55.02 | GrepLine | fcdom: does it say OK on the screen, and don't you just have to press Cancel? |
| 20:55.05 | jdh41 | I'd guess 2.2.2 was too old a version to be current |
| 20:56.14 | GrepLine | fcdom: ah, I see you're asking Foxdie the same thing ;) |
| 20:57.18 | jdh41 | GrepLine: is glibc-arm-2.2.2-0.tar.gz differnt from glibc-2.2.2.tar.gz? |
| 20:57.43 | jdh41 | *is not |
| 20:58.30 | GrepLine | jdh41: They seem the same to me, dunno, it's worth a try ;) |
| 20:59.09 | jdh41 | ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/glibc/ |
| 20:59.44 | fcdom | GrepLine - Foxdie must be on the phone |
| 21:00.00 | fcdom | GrepLine - will unplugging the battery during erasing mess up my zaurus? |
| 21:01.23 | jdh41 | fcdom: my guess would be it will, it might be recoverable as long as the boot loader isn't fscked, though if you're using something which doens't rely on the bootloader then its probably easier to recover from |
| 21:02.08 | GrepLine | fcdom: hmm, tricky, don't know what has been erased at this stage |
| 21:02.13 | Foxdie | no |
| 21:02.23 | Foxdie | foxdie is repairing a graphics card that decided to overheat |
| 21:02.45 | fcdom | Foxdie - damn |
| 21:03.25 | GrepLine | Foxdie: You were overclocking again were you? ;) |
| 21:04.56 | Foxdie | actually |
| 21:04.59 | Foxdie | no I wasn't |
| 21:05.06 | Foxdie | my pc is pushed as far as it will go |
| 21:05.18 | Foxdie | the original graphics fan failed |
| 21:05.24 | Foxdie | so I jerry rigged another one from a switch |
| 21:05.31 | Foxdie | kept it cool until today |
| 21:05.38 | Foxdie | took it apart and it had fallen off |
| 21:05.48 | Foxdie | I'm grateful for hot glue guns now :) |
| 21:07.57 | *** join/#zaurus Com[Plex] (256k@65.217.160.224) |
| 21:08.18 | Com[Plex] | anyone from TKC here? |
| 21:09.44 | Com[Plex] | I bought the tkc bundle forever ago, and I was trying to check for updates, and found my basket had "thekapital" in it instead of the bundle |
| 21:10.15 | Com[Plex] | spomeone messed it up. |
| 21:10.20 | ljp | hmm. cool |
| 21:10.26 | *** part/#zaurus Com[Plex] (256k@65.217.160.224) |
| 21:10.34 | *** join/#zaurus Com[Plex] (256k@65.217.160.224) |
| 21:10.35 | Com[Plex] | doh |
| 21:11.41 | Com[Plex] | so uh. no one from tkc is in here? |
| 21:12.26 | *** join/#zaurus warmi (~a3c01502@dsl092-131-081.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 21:12.29 | ljp | I would email shawn, if I were you |
| 21:12.39 | warmi | re |
| 21:12.59 | jdh41 | re warmi |
| 21:13.03 | ljp | why warmi |
| 21:13.39 | sashz | hi ljp |
| 21:13.51 | sashz | installed Qtopia on SL-A300? |
| 21:14.38 | Com[Plex] | I just emailed info@thekompany.com - hope thats good enough. |
| 21:14.44 | Com[Plex] | do you know shawns email? |
| 21:15.06 | warmi | ljp: why what ? |
| 21:21.21 | warmi | hmm .. I thought thekompany had abandoned Z entirely |
| 21:22.12 | ljp | sashz: I have tried. but it doesnt want to flash |
| 21:22.50 | ljp | warmi: hmmm.. still asleep, I mean hey, not why.. :) |
| 21:23.04 | warmi | heh :-) |
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| 21:30.38 | treke | warmi: they just released some newer stuff |
| 21:31.31 | warmi | ah .. interesting |
| 21:31.47 | warmi | BBoss still is missing from this channel thoughr right ? |
| 21:31.48 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:32.17 | warmi | holy crap they have tons of stuff I have never seen |
| 21:32.31 | warmi | ZtkcZip for one |
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| 21:36.02 | treke | yup. |
| 21:36.05 | treke | we scared them off |
| 21:36.50 | warmi | I think it was more Opie guys .. I forgot his nick but there was that German guy who used to engage in rather heated discussions with BBoss |
| 21:37.10 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 21:37.19 | treke | zecke? |
| 21:37.25 | treke | or Harlekin |
| 21:37.28 | warmi | literally accusing him of stealing stuff |
| 21:37.32 | warmi | yeah, Harlekin |
| 21:37.36 | treke | Harlekin |
| 21:37.55 | warmi | ljp vs BBoss discussions were actually quite civilized :-) on the other hand Harleking was a streight shooter |
| 21:37.56 | warmi | heh |
| 21:38.10 | Com[Plex] | wel,, I havent been very nice to the tkc guys nbefore anyway. - frustrated about paying for an app that I thoguht sucked |
| 21:38.27 | warmi | what was that ? |
| 21:38.43 | treke | they were mostly decent apps though |
| 21:39.03 | warmi | well, the GUI looked great .. it was a bit slow though |
| 21:39.19 | treke | I always found it pretty confusing |
| 21:39.25 | Com[Plex] | well, I poayed for the biundle, and race, and I thought most of them were either useless or complete garbage. - I liked editory, tho, and mahjohng. hehe |
| 21:39.35 | Com[Plex] | there icons didnt make much sense. |
| 21:41.10 | warmi | well, I don't think their stuff was garbage .. perhaps they weren't very usefull for you .. |
| 21:41.19 | warmi | for example , I found File Explorer quite good :-) |
| 21:41.38 | warmi | I have no problem with Unix shell but on a device like Z using click and point was actually easier |
| 21:42.02 | treke | tkceditor was probably one of the better apps from them I used |
| 21:42.10 | treke | file explorer was ok |
| 21:42.14 | ljp | manager |
| 21:42.27 | treke | but I prefered the ui opie used for the manager |
| 21:42.50 | ljp | except opies file manager's developer doesnt get enough sleep when its terribly hot |
| 21:42.58 | warmi | heh |
| 21:43.18 | warmi | opie should be ported to run on top of Wince :-) |
| 21:43.24 | Com[Plex] | well, I moslty used vi to edit stuff, but when I wanted a high level editor, and was willing to wait the two minutes to load it, tkc editor was my choice./ |
| 21:43.29 | ljp | does qte run on wince? |
| 21:43.56 | Com[Plex] | but theres opie editor now, whats it caled. kate? the one with the different highlighets contexts and whatnot? |
| 21:44.50 | ljp | ya kate |
| 21:45.09 | Com[Plex] | this is brutal, Ivce been uninstalling office xp ion this stupid maCHIEN NOW FOR TWO HOURS. |
| 21:45.15 | Com[Plex] | capos. |
| 21:45.19 | warmi | ljp: no, I mean port its functionality on top of Win32 api |
| 21:45.39 | warmi | I simply like Qtopia/Opie shell more than the typical PocketPC design |
| 21:45.42 | warmi | :-) |
| 21:45.59 | Com[Plex] | sweet, got a responce from shawn allready |
| 21:46.00 | Com[Plex] | oops - check back in 15 minutes and it should be resolved. |
| 21:46.27 | warmi | automated ? |
| 21:46.28 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:47.35 | csmall | ha |
| 21:48.38 | ljp | warmi: thats a scary thought |
| 21:49.03 | treke | first there was virtual kendrick |
| 21:49.09 | treke | now there is tkcShawn |
| 21:49.10 | ljp | shawn was recently replaced by an automaton |
| 21:49.55 | warmi | heh |
| 21:50.19 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 21:50.29 | warmi | automatons are the way of future ... they are cheaper and not all that much more stupid than your typical 1 level support guy :-) |
| 21:50.32 | Com[Plex] | npoe. problems fixed. downloading the bundle now. |
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| 21:50.35 | guie | Hi |
| 21:50.35 | warmi | no offsense to 1st level support guys :-) |
| 21:50.50 | guie | Does anybody use a wcf12 wifi card here ? |
| 21:50.55 | Com[Plex] | I think they would seem more human if they insulted you a little more tho; |
| 21:51.07 | treke | if you want insults, use openzaurus |
| 21:51.22 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:51.35 | warmi | well, there is no pleasing some |
| 21:51.40 | treke | I'll give you something to laugh about... |
| 21:51.40 | guie | Uh |
| 21:51.42 | csmall | what rom do each of you use/ |
| 21:51.50 | Com[Plex] | "hi I have a problem with xyz software not running on my fubar pc... can you help?" (responce sould be like "well, you need a new pc, in fact, why dont you ask your mother for a better personality first" |
| 21:51.53 | Com[Plex] | something random |
| 21:52.10 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:52.21 | Com[Plex] | first diss the computer, then throw in something off the wall, like "i"if I were you, Id stop wasting other peples time with phoney pizza orders" |
| 21:52.24 | Com[Plex] | keep em guessing |
| 21:52.51 | warmi | yeah, well in this age this would end up being a money maker for lawyers ... imagine all these "emotional damages" etc |
| 21:53.03 | treke | he was more productive as a support person :) |
| 21:53.11 | warmi | hehehe |
| 21:53.26 | Com[Plex] | oh jeez. who ever heard of a compuiter tech getting sued for emotional damages? |
| 21:53.44 | jdh41 | heh |
| 21:53.49 | Com[Plex] | people are afraid to sue techs, its like trying to sue police. |
| 21:53.53 | guie | jdh41 heya |
| 21:53.56 | jdh41 | "look you idiot. plug the damn thing into the wall!" |
| 21:54.01 | Com[Plex] | people try, but everyone else is like "whoa,, thats DUMB!" |
| 21:54.08 | Com[Plex] | we are the people who read your emails. |
| 21:54.20 | warmi | well, lawyers aren't afraid of anyone .. they are like the modern warriors ... |
| 21:54.22 | treke | all the police can do is beat the crap out of you |
| 21:54.27 | warmi | will take on anyone, anytime .. |
| 21:54.34 | warmi | as long as they have deep pockets |
| 21:54.37 | treke | techs can prolong the humiliation while you wait for some kind of solution |
| 21:56.31 | ljp | suppose I should do something while I am at work today |
| 21:57.11 | Disconnect | ljp: I'm shopping for dvd burners and a new case.. prolly can't afford them this month but it makes me feel productive ;) |
| 21:57.40 | csmall | did you guys see the croc hunter in the news, holding his baby near a croc |
| 21:58.05 | *** part/#zaurus GrepLine (GrepLine@demolitionman.xs4all.nl) |
| 21:58.16 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 21:58.20 | Com[Plex] | waqs he wearing a face maslk? |
| 21:58.26 | Com[Plex] | <michael jackson> |
| 21:58.33 | csmall | they compared him to jackson |
| 21:58.42 | csmall | he was feeding a croc |
| 21:59.02 | ljp | bah! thats all overrated and hyped |
| 21:59.11 | warmi | csmall: yeah .. it was still not as stupid as what Jacko Wacko did |
| 21:59.15 | Com[Plex] | too funnay |
| 21:59.23 | absentia | csmall: old news |
| 21:59.32 | csmall | http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2004/2004-01/05-crochunter-inside.jpg |
| 21:59.47 | csmall | warmi, I guess |
| 22:00.37 | csmall | so is privacy but people still talk about it |
| 22:00.37 | csmall | heh |
| 22:00.42 | csmall | oooo time to go home |
| 22:00.52 | ljp | irwin's wife said that kid had huge eyes and a big smile afterwards |
| 22:00.58 | csmall | haha |
| 22:05.56 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:06.37 | treke | and a big something else in his pants |
| 22:06.59 | warmi | he probably didn't know what hell was happening ... |
| 22:07.07 | warmi | the kid is like couple weeks old or so |
| 22:08.12 | ljp | like he said, its more dangerous to strap your kid in a car |
| 22:08.30 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 22:09.35 | warmi | yeah, life is dangerous ... you can die while sitting on a toilet ... there are planes flying overhead etc .... |
| 22:10.08 | *** part/#zaurus blacK^Imprint (rich@82-69-30-238.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 22:13.07 | JasonM | Anyone any idea where I can find the source for the sharp_mmc module? |
| 22:13.07 | JasonM | I can't find it in the kernel source - am I being dense? |
| 22:13.49 | treke | it probably isnt there |
| 22:14.10 | JasonM | Its not closed source, is it? |
| 22:14.16 | treke | yes |
| 22:14.21 | JasonM | :( |
| 22:14.33 | jdh41 | I thought that the sd was closed source but the MMC wasn't? |
| 22:14.46 | Com[Plex] | other way around |
| 22:14.59 | treke | Com[Plex]: erm, sd is most certainly closed source |
| 22:15.02 | Com[Plex] | SD is the secure digital version. its copy protectable |
| 22:15.14 | Com[Plex] | UH. sorry. MISREAD!~ |
| 22:15.14 | treke | jdh41: They are both the same module |
| 22:15.16 | Com[Plex] | lol. |
| 22:15.34 | ljp | grab yourself an arm dissassembler, and there ya go.. source ocde! |
| 22:16.06 | treke | actually kergoth tried that :) |
| 22:16.06 | JasonM | Heh. Great. |
| 22:16.06 | Com[Plex] | do they haVE those? |
| 22:16.06 | warmi | arm asm is not that bad .... |
| 22:16.06 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:16.06 | JasonM | It is if you don't know it :) |
| 22:16.06 | Com[Plex] | ..... |
| 22:16.09 | Com[Plex] | :) |
| 22:16.16 | warmi | of course C/C++ generated asm is usually pretty hard to read |
| 22:16.58 | warmi | why do you need that to begine with ? |
| 22:17.28 | treke | JasonM: The hardware on the C7x0 for the mmc/sd controller is the pxa's on board controller |
| 22:17.39 | treke | the 5500 had a different one |
| 22:21.25 | JasonM | I'm after 5500 sources |
| 22:21.36 | treke | you won't find them then |
| 22:21.40 | JasonM | :( |
| 22:22.29 | JasonM | How about specifications? |
| 22:22.33 | treke | nope |
| 22:22.55 | JasonM | Darn. |
| 22:23.32 | jdh41 | feel free to reverse engineer it... |
| 22:24.00 | JasonM | I think someone already has. |
| 22:24.07 | JasonM | I'm just not sure how far they've got. |
| 22:27.24 | ljp | only russians are allowed to reverse engineer things :) |
| 22:27.59 | Reddog-[Away] | i'll reverse engineer you! |
| 22:30.19 | ljp | http://www.dailygadget.com/upload/images/007camera-front.jpg |
| 22:32.48 | Reddog-[Away] | that's been around for awhile now |
| 22:34.38 | Reddog-[Away] | $100 |
| 22:34.46 | Reddog-[Away] | http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/cameras/655e/ |
| 22:35.35 | ljp | cool |
| 22:37.04 | ljp | needs to work as a lighter also athough |
| 22:38.35 | Reddog-[Away] | bah |
| 22:38.41 | Reddog-[Away] | you want too much |
| 22:39.26 | Com[Plex] | haha |
| 22:39.59 | treke | JasonM: the other problem is that the specs are in japanese :p |
| 22:41.06 | absentia | re |
| 22:45.41 | JasonM | I know someone who could translate for me. |
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| 22:47.42 | George- | bbwwwaaahhhhh |
| 22:48.09 | *** part/#zaurus guie (gui@ABordeaux-103-1-24-129.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:48.18 | treke | I think you underestimate yourself |
| 22:49.04 | George- | I know |
| 22:49.14 | George- | but you're an ass :P |
| 22:49.22 | treke | looks arent everything |
| 22:49.30 | treke | and in your case they are nothing |
| 22:49.57 | George- | GREG |
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| 23:15.55 | catskul | which wifi card is most likely to be compatable ? |
| 23:16.11 | catskul | with oz |
| 23:19.14 | yeiazel | anything that has a prism chip |
| 23:19.39 | yeiazel | mmmhhh do you have oz installed right now ? |
| 23:19.49 | catskul | yeah |
| 23:21.12 | yeiazel | check /etc/pcmcia/hostap_cs.conf |
| 23:23.12 | catskul | yeah, but some cards technically "work" but cause problems |
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| 23:23.26 | Jondo | Hi, where is /mnt/ram supposed to be mounted to? |
| 23:27.26 | systemsop | i used the dlink dcf-660w |
| 23:28.01 | yeiazel | catskul: I'm using a linksys wcf12 |
| 23:28.08 | yeiazel | it works |
| 23:28.29 | yeiazel | now, gonna sleep |
| 23:28.30 | catskul | cool, thanks for the suggestions |
| 23:28.33 | yeiazel | bye |
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