| 00:00.17 | chuckr | it shoujld, but rights, be pushed in the ddirection of providing better dev environ rather than providing a better user env |
| 00:00.28 | chuckr | by rights god my typing is horrible |
| 00:01.18 | chuckr | my fingers have certain patterns memorized and when I just let the fingers get a way with me (when I want to type fast) the result can be quite freudian |
| 00:02.05 | chuckr | anyhow, things like, more compilers, more editors, maybe more scripting lanuguages and gui's |
| 00:02.11 | Pendalar | there is a pretty good dev environment |
| 00:02.23 | chuckr | I would wonder abou the nice gui that oz has |
| 00:02.24 | Pendalar | the thing is the initiation is reading |
| 00:02.48 | Pendalar | you go to Sharp to get some of the programming docs there, some from Trolltech (for general Qtopia stuff, widgets) |
| 00:03.02 | Pendalar | if you mean compiling stuff for OZ, you go to www.openembedded.org and read all that's there |
| 00:03.12 | Pendalar | it walks you through setting up a build environment |
| 00:03.31 | chuckr | well, I thin that would be helped , if there was a link directly off the oz main page, with a large number of links, you know the page I';m referring to, maybe with a *little* better comments on the links, you'd find the questions you get would drop by 40% in the first week |
| 00:03.32 | Pendalar | once you've done that, most of the devs are willing to listen to your questions |
| 00:04.05 | chuckr | stuff isn't all on the oz site, its scatterd, and finding it can be a bit of a challenge |
| 00:04.14 | Pendalar | most of the web contents are on hold until they get the OZ buildroot completely transfered to the OE build system |
| 00:04.39 | Pendalar | I assume it will get better, but right now other than the occassional new test image, there's no "user news" |
| 00:04.52 | Pendalar | and all the devs collab in #openembedded |
| 00:04.56 | chuckr | I know what my own problem was, it was all that familiararity with the BSD stuff, and not knowing beans about linux |
| 00:05.09 | chuckr | I've been reading linux kernel code |
| 00:05.35 | Pendalar | I agree the documentation isn't as polished as it could be, but it's largely unwritten |
| 00:05.46 | Pendalar | you can't polish it til you have the content hammered out.. which we're working on |
| 00:06.04 | chuckr | I have to admit, I was/am/will be blown away by the fact that you can actually use X11 on the Z and get fairly snappy respoonse |
| 00:06.31 | Pendalar | I'm not too surprised since I run X11 very bloated on a 600mhz |
| 00:06.40 | Pendalar | a 400mhz unit with a trimmed X11 should be fine |
| 00:06.48 | Pendalar | 206mhz.. I'll pass |
| 00:06.52 | chuckr | 600? Z? |
| 00:07.13 | chuckr | ok |
| 00:07.28 | chuckr | sash has overclocking in his latest, but I haven't yet tried that |
| 00:07.28 | Pendalar | no my box |
| 00:07.44 | chuckr | the 860, the only diff, it's the usb, right? |
| 00:07.48 | treke | but I dont tend to use kde/gnome much |
| 00:07.57 | treke | chuckr: paint job is the only difference I've seen |
| 00:07.58 | Pendalar | english dictionary and use it as a usb drive |
| 00:08.06 | Pendalar | and yeah the colors |
| 00:08.22 | treke | You can download the image for the c860 and flash it on the 760 apparently |
| 00:08.25 | ljp | why overclock a handheld |
| 00:08.33 | ljp | thats a bit silly, really |
| 00:08.33 | chuckr | I didn't, but I;'m going to try to port gtk to objective C, that will change matters for me, I'm so impressed with objective C that I' not entirely rational about it |
| 00:08.44 | Pendalar | it's not all that silly, but it does eat a battery to no end |
| 00:08.53 | ljp | it is silly |
| 00:08.54 | treke | objective c is pretty cool |
| 00:09.01 | Pendalar | as a former PalmSource user, I would have died without o/c |
| 00:09.04 | treke | ljp: Overclocking is silly. underclocking isnt a horrible idea |
| 00:09.21 | Pendalar | u/c a 33mhz unit sucks ;-) |
| 00:09.22 | ljp | on a handhelds, ya |
| 00:09.24 | treke | chuckr: started learning it this morning :) |
| 00:09.35 | chuckr | what about the idea of slapping toher twoo battery packs, and gettin gup a special connector so that you could have a fanny pack of power for the Z? |
| 00:10.03 | chuckr | I could cobble togehter a charger |
| 00:10.03 | Pendalar | or just mod a elite fuel cell |
| 00:10.13 | Pendalar | or solar... |
| 00:10.19 | chuckr | elite fuel cell? Soemthing I shoujld google? |
| 00:10.21 | Pendalar | or wind for that matter, have a little perpeller |
| 00:10.45 | chuckr | uh, no .... I think I would like some better power for the Z |
| 00:10.45 | Pendalar | nah I'm mostly just using my indepth slashdot-based knowledge.. |
| 00:11.06 | Pendalar | wind would be good for.. joggers... and stuff |
| 00:11.08 | chuckr | it;s getting closer, fella, fule cells are nearly there |
| 00:12.17 | chuckr | I know electronics well enough to make a charger for a couple of those batteries, I think 2 betteries wou ld make a truly usefulll amount of power, you wouldln't be able to run out. |
| 00:13.21 | chuckr | in fact, no reason, if they're external, to keep the sam eform factor, why no get the cheapest one's you could get that run less than, say , 2 pounds |
| 00:14.18 | chuckr | I'm going to investiage that, and get back to you. Might come up with something very useful. |
| 00:14.33 | chuckr | have you guys looked into objective C? |
| 00:15.46 | Pendalar | I think most use C++ |
| 00:15.51 | Pendalar | I think that's sort of a "yes" |
| 00:16.14 | chuckr | not really, that's like saying that java is supported because C++ is |
| 00:16.32 | chuckr | they're not alike |
| 00:16.56 | chuckr | in fact, objective C is more like java than c++ |
| 00:17.07 | chuckr | not terribly, but closer. |
| 00:17.21 | chuckr | C++ is a huge boatanchor |
| 00:17.38 | chuckr | objective C, for instance, is 100% C compatible |
| 00:17.42 | chuckr | C++ isn't |
| 00:18.10 | Pendalar | still I think most of the guys use C++ when a choice |
| 00:18.17 | Pendalar | or port parts to ASM maybe |
| 00:18.42 | chuckr | are you saying C++ is more popular? That's not the question |
| 00:19.52 | chuckr | I was saying which is a nicer language to use .... and I think, if you looked at it, you would likely get a surprise. Your comment about which is more popular, well, don't get insulted, but that'sthe excuse that MS has been riding, isn't it? |
| 00:20.44 | Pendalar | it's not an excuse, I'm simply stating everyone I know who codes generally uses c++ for PDA applications |
| 00:20.51 | Pendalar | perhaps I don't talk to the right people |
| 00:21.01 | Pendalar | it's merely an observation |
| 00:21.12 | chuckr | objectivve C has only those features really neccesary to add OO to C, with the exception that they added the interface feature from jhava |
| 00:21.36 | Pendalar | I never implied which is better |
| 00:21.39 | chuckr | it's a greatly pared down language, as compared to C++ |
| 00:21.46 | Pendalar | I prefer regular C myself |
| 00:21.54 | chuckr | well, better is in everyone's own eyes, I guess |
| 00:22.16 | Pendalar | but that's largely because I don't know Java or OO C, or C++ for that metter |
| 00:22.17 | Pendalar | matter |
| 00:22.27 | chuckr | I like C a lot myself, which is why I like the idea of adding the least possible. It also makes troubleshooting and learning much easier. |
| 00:23.02 | chuckr | it has the idea of a central object that all other objects must ultimately descend from, and only single inheritance |
| 00:23.28 | chuckr | rtti is in there, a gift from that central object idea |
| 00:24.11 | chuckr | I'll be back in a while, it's dinnertime, and all that xmas ham is calling me |
| 00:24.12 | Pendalar | it'd help if I had a c++ book |
| 00:24.25 | chuckr | C++ or objective C? |
| 00:24.57 | Pendalar | hmm well not sure |
| 00:25.10 | Pendalar | I'd have to fully understand the difference as you do before I could make that judgement |
| 00:25.31 | chuckr | there are so many C++ books at your local bookstore, yo uoughta be able to buy one several years old and save a buck |
| 00:26.04 | chuckr | I have learned C++ for the sole reason, I wanted to be able to feel honest when I said I didn't like it. |
| 00:26.30 | chuckr | it's such a massibely overloaded design, it's terrible to fix |
| 00:27.05 | chuckr | 14 ways to do any job, and for every protection feature, there are 5 ways to unprotect and get around that feature |
| 00:27.28 | Pendalar | heh |
| 00:27.42 | Pendalar | I have an old old C book and everything in it segfaults |
| 00:27.48 | chuckr | really makes troubleshooting a crappy job. Notice, it's HORRIBLY hard to write a good library for C++ |
| 00:28.00 | George- | blehblehbleh |
| 00:28.05 | Pendalar | doh bbl, wife is calling |
| 00:28.27 | chuckr | yeah, language wars. OK, I stop it now. |
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| 01:54.26 | George- | treke: I presume you know that 2 days benh pushed some changes in bk that enable clock slewing to pull the 1.25GHz powerbook to approx 1GHz? |
| 01:54.35 | George- | s/2 days/2 days ago/; |
| 01:57.06 | mark_g | George-, eugh |
| 01:57.31 | George- | mark_g: hello |
| 01:57.34 | George- | mark_g: still awake? |
| 01:57.38 | mark_g | yeh |
| 01:57.44 | George- | I need my iPod back |
| 01:57.48 | George- | it's getting lonely here |
| 01:57.52 | mark_g | mines donwstairs |
| 01:57.54 | George- | the computers are missing it |
| 01:58.32 | mark_g | George-, jodrell bank didnt pick up beagle again |
| 01:58.42 | George- | wtf? |
| 01:58.53 | George- | grah |
| 01:58.55 | George- | my bot!!! |
| 01:58.56 | George- | MY BOT!!!! |
| 01:59.42 | mark_g | George-, its a gonner |
| 01:59.53 | George- | what is? |
| 02:00.14 | mark_g | beagle |
| 02:00.26 | George- | ibot: beagle? |
| 02:00.28 | | beagle is, like, a nose with a dog on the back of it |
| 02:00.54 | mark_g | George-, beagle 2? |
| 02:01.07 | George- | ibot beagle 2? |
| 02:01.09 | | George-: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 02:01.32 | mark_g | George-, have u been living under a tree? |
| 02:01.50 | George- | mark_g: no, under a roof |
| 02:02.35 | mark_g | George-, british mars lander? |
| 02:02.46 | George- | ohr ight |
| 02:04.45 | George- | ok, it looks as though the earth connection in the socket that my powerbook was connected to was bust |
| 02:04.51 | George- | hence why I was getting electric shocks |
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| 02:05.02 | George- | now that I've changed to a different socket I don't get it anymore :) |
| 02:05.05 | George- | wb botty |
| 02:05.07 | George- | botty: lart mark |
| 02:05.13 | George- | botty: shit on mark_g |
| 02:06.02 | MG_Tak | classy |
| 02:06.36 | George- | MG_Tak: hrmm? |
| 02:09.21 | MG_Tak | what ibot did |
| 02:12.01 | George- | you mean botty |
| 02:12.18 | MG_Tak | err |
| 02:12.19 | MG_Tak | yeah |
| 02:12.20 | MG_Tak | it's late |
| 02:12.36 | George- | botty: beat up MG_Tak |
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| 02:19.47 | catskul | im having a wierd problem with networking over usb.... when i plug in my zaurus, it is recoginzed and I can ifconfig usb0 192.168.129.200 up |
| 02:20.05 | catskul | but if I try ti ping the zaurus nothing happens |
| 02:20.12 | catskul | and if I try to ping the remote computer from the zaurus, the zaurus locks up : ( |
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| 02:57.38 | George- | heya warmi_ |
| 02:58.01 | warmi_ | hi george |
| 02:58.15 | warmi_ | enjoying your Xmass break ? |
| 02:58.36 | mark_g | heya warmi_ |
| 02:58.50 | warmi_ | hi mark |
| 02:59.04 | warmi_ | british are out in force on this channel today :-) |
| 02:59.08 | mark | hehe |
| 02:59.13 | mark | warmi_, its 3am here :) |
| 02:59.34 | warmi_ | yeah, I know .. I am surprised |
| 02:59.41 | MG_Tak | 4 here |
| 02:59.53 | warmi_ | MG_Tak where are you ? |
| 03:00.14 | mark | warmi_, so hows life? |
| 03:00.55 | warmi_ | its ok - no Zaurus development though .... I pretty much gave up on it |
| 03:01.01 | George- | warmi_: yeh |
| 03:01.06 | warmi_ | you still playing with yours ? |
| 03:01.29 | George- | I gave up on the Zaurus too :) |
| 03:01.51 | George- | after the copper pads that connect the front face plate button things (cancel etc) wore away with overuse :) |
| 03:02.00 | mark | warmi_, nope, hasnt been on for about 6 months, been pretty busy lately, mean to get back to it some time |
| 03:02.09 | warmi_ | well, I still have one , just don't do much with it anymore .... I don't even have a running Linux desktop installation these days .. |
| 03:02.10 | George- | I have yet to buy some conductive pen to fix it |
| 03:02.17 | warmi_ | only my little nat/ww/mail server |
| 03:02.25 | George- | warmi_: you don't use linux? wtf do you use? |
| 03:02.36 | warmi_ | mark: busy with what ? other development or just general things like school/work etc ? |
| 03:02.50 | mark | warmi_, school: applying to university |
| 03:02.52 | warmi_ | George: Win 2000 these days |
| 03:03.01 | George- | warmi_: why? |
| 03:03.21 | mark | George-, i use XP now |
| 03:03.21 | warmi_ | it works for me ... especially considering that I do a lot of Pocket PC development these days :-) |
| 03:03.30 | George- | mark: die. |
| 03:03.34 | warmi_ | mark: computer science ? |
| 03:03.47 | George- | warmi_: he's going for PPE |
| 03:03.54 | mark | George-, not going, i've got a place fool |
| 03:04.04 | warmi_ | PPE ? |
| 03:04.06 | George- | mark: oh yeh, I forgot. I thought they rejected you :P |
| 03:04.11 | mark | politics philosophy and economics |
| 03:04.13 | George- | warmi_: Politics, Philosophy and Economics |
| 03:04.17 | George- | damn, mark beat me to it |
| 03:04.20 | George- | damn you! |
| 03:04.44 | George- | warmi_: btw - I just reached a terrible stage in IRC'ing... I just said "lol" in real life instead of laughing. |
| 03:04.53 | warmi_ | is this an equivalent of a business/economics degree in US ? |
| 03:05.10 | George- | warmi_: nah, it's PPE :) |
| 03:05.29 | ljp | hot |
| 03:05.29 | warmi_ | George: heheeh ... and you are still young , imagine how you will behave when you are around 40 |
| 03:05.39 | mark | warmi_, well i'll be focusing on economics |
| 03:05.42 | warmi_ | hi ljp |
| 03:05.44 | George- | warmi_: shut it :) |
| 03:06.22 | ljp | too hot |
| 03:06.31 | warmi_ | mark: good , originally I was going for history/political science type of degree but then finally after a lot of thinking ended up studying Computer Science |
| 03:07.08 | warmi_ | ljp: well, some people pay a lot of money to spend some time in what you describe as "too hot" :-) |
| 03:07.51 | mark | warmi_, what made you change your mind? |
| 03:07.52 | George- | I was born in bloody australia. |
| 03:08.29 | mark | George-, and why would i have been rejected? :P |
| 03:08.31 | George- | botty: die. |
| 03:08.37 | George- | mark: because you're mark. |
| 03:08.46 | George- | stop asking bloody stupid questions. |
| 03:09.26 | warmi_ | mark: well, two things I was always into were history and computers ... and I still am. It is just CS was a better option as far as employment etc .. |
| 03:09.59 | George- | I'll be going for CS at Cambridge. |
| 03:10.13 | mark | George-, cambridge smells. oxford oxford oxford! ;) |
| 03:10.18 | warmi_ | I see George hasn't changed ;-) |
| 03:10.21 | George- | mark: die. |
| 03:10.31 | George- | mark: cambridge is the MIT of england. oxford smells. |
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| 03:10.42 | George- | for cs anyway. |
| 03:10.51 | George- | botty: shit on mark |
| 03:10.52 | warmi_ | oxford is like Harvard ... |
| 03:10.57 | mark | go to MIT then :P |
| 03:11.02 | George- | mark: can't afford MIT |
| 03:11.08 | catskul | has anyone here who has the c760 been sucessfull at connecting over usbnet ? |
| 03:11.08 | mark | ur loaded! |
| 03:11.11 | George- | mark: unless I get a scholarship (hardly likely to happen) |
| 03:11.16 | George- | I AM NOT LOADED |
| 03:11.22 | George- | I can't afford MIT. End of story. |
| 03:11.35 | warmi_ | george: it is that expensive ? |
| 03:11.42 | George- | Harrow's school fees are piss compared to MIT |
| 03:11.46 | mark | its really expensive for foreign students |
| 03:11.59 | George- | warmi_: yes, because I need to account for living costs/air tickets/food etc |
| 03:12.05 | ljp | but georges dad can afford MIT |
| 03:12.13 | George- | warmi_: on top of the already fucking insane fees :P |
| 03:12.27 | George- | my current school fees are only about ?21000 a year |
| 03:12.34 | warmi_ | George: uh ... no, you would simply work evenings for living :-) |
| 03:12.40 | George- | warmi_: don't be stupid :P |
| 03:12.54 | warmi_ | I am not ... this is how things are done in US ;-) |
| 03:13.09 | George- | hehe |
| 03:13.15 | mark | George-, try for a scholarship |
| 03:13.20 | George- | mark: I'd never get it. |
| 03:13.25 | George- | I'm not that good. |
| 03:13.28 | mark | George-, i was going to if i didnt get into ox |
| 03:13.38 | ljp | heh, ya, George _work_ ..? |
| 03:13.38 | George- | you were going to go for a scholarship to MIT? |
| 03:13.46 | George- | ljp: hehehe :) |
| 03:13.52 | warmi_ | hehe |
| 03:14.00 | mark | George-, was gonna try stanford. they like having foreign people about apparently so scholarships arent that impos |
| 03:14.20 | ljp | he'd probably going to try to bribe his way to a Masters |
| 03:14.26 | George- | ljp: shut up |
| 03:14.39 | George- | if I were to go to MIT, I'd probably go to do a postgrad degree of some sort |
| 03:14.40 | ljp | :) |
| 03:14.43 | George- | it's cheaper :P |
| 03:14.48 | mark | George-, yeh a postgrat at MIT would be cool |
| 03:14.50 | warmi_ | ah ... fucking college days ... that was the time when I acquired my ulcer |
| 03:15.32 | mark | George-, my politics tutor to be is so cool, he has a really funky blog |
| 03:15.52 | ljp | if I need an edjumakation. I can gives it to myself! |
| 03:16.04 | George- | mark: right..... |
| 03:16.21 | George- | hahaha, I'm messing about in #kde-devel |
| 03:16.28 | George- | <andrevar> I want to be a "Kdeveloper". What I have to do? What I must to know? |
| 03:16.28 | George- | <George-> andrevar: well, you need to do more than I currently do, which is sit around all day on irc. #1 tip - get off IRC before you're hooked |
| 03:16.38 | George- | <spectrum> you must know how to be nasty and flippant to ordinary users. You must also have a potty mouth and not be afraid to use it. |
| 03:16.38 | George- | <spectrum> sure. |
| 03:16.38 | George- | <andrevar> I am a Computer Engineer |
| 03:16.44 | George- | <George-> andrevar: study the real bastards in this channel - they're generally the core devs :) |
| 03:16.48 | ljp | hmm, developers I know sit around all day on irc |
| 03:16.52 | George- | should I give him real advice? |
| 03:16.52 | George- | :) |
| 03:16.57 | George- | or continue taking the piss? |
| 03:17.11 | ljp | someone ban george from kde-devel |
| 03:17.28 | George- | hahaha |
| 03:18.05 | mark | George-, i guess u dont know which cam college? |
| 03:18.31 | George- | mark: no idea |
| 03:20.39 | ljp | probably he will go to Red Rocks Jr College |
| 03:20.55 | ljp | cause he cant afford anything else |
| 03:21.44 | George- | ... |
| 03:22.50 | George- | <George-> there's a fee to become a kde developer |
| 03:22.50 | George- | <George-> $2000 |
| 03:22.50 | George- | <spectrum> oh, yeah, I forgot about that. |
| 03:22.51 | George- | hahaha |
| 03:25.49 | ljp | meanie |
| 03:26.13 | mark | George-, ur probably putting off a good developer |
| 03:26.14 | George- | <George-> plus, you have to spend at least 10 hours each day bitching about AOL, Microsoft and the RIAA |
| 03:26.14 | George- | <spectrum> you can also bitch about mETz |
| 03:26.14 | George- | <George-> otherwise there's a $5000 penalty |
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| 03:26.44 | warmi_ | he is probably talking to himself .. |
| 03:27.06 | warmi_ | mark: a good developer would know something about KDE and would not fell for this kind of bullshit :-) |
| 03:27.30 | mark | warmi_, hehe true |
| 03:27.39 | George- | warmi_: it's so fake if the guy fell for it he has no brain |
| 03:27.50 | George- | <andrevar> And my girl..... |
| 03:27.50 | George- | <spectrum> dump her |
| 03:28.01 | George- | <spectrum> I'll take care of her until you decide to give it up |
| 03:28.02 | George- | :) |
| 03:28.04 | George- | this is fun |
| 03:30.05 | mark | warmi_, how are the PPC sales? |
| 03:30.49 | warmi_ | good enough to get my couple of new toys ... including a brand new Glock 17 ;-) |
| 03:30.57 | George- | Glock 17? |
| 03:31.07 | warmi_ | that's ultimate PDA ;-) |
| 03:31.15 | George- | spec? |
| 03:31.17 | warmi_ | 9 mm, 10 rounds magazine |
| 03:31.28 | George- | a gun? |
| 03:31.43 | warmi_ | heheh |
| 03:31.44 | warmi_ | yeah |
| 03:31.53 | George- | why the fuck would you want a gun? |
| 03:32.08 | George- | is crime really that bad in the US? |
| 03:32.13 | George- | or is it some fetish you have? |
| 03:32.16 | warmi_ | I like shooting ... I got to gun range every week or so - it has a relaxing effect on me |
| 03:32.28 | ljp | we have guns because we hate the britts |
| 03:32.41 | George- | HAHAH |
| 03:32.41 | warmi_ | no, crime in US is actually lower than in UK these days |
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| 03:34.13 | warmi_ | George: frankly go fuck yourself .... I am a free/responsible man and as such don't need no fucking permission from my goverment to own a fucking gun ;-) |
| 03:34.27 | warmi_ | it is the same right as right to free speech etc |
| 03:34.37 | George- | warmi_: whoot |
| 03:34.37 | ljp | ya! |
| 03:34.51 | George- | warmi_: I don't agree with the banning of all hand weapons in the UK |
| 03:35.04 | ljp | ya! |
| 03:35.13 | George- | warmi_: I don't see how the hell they can think "oh, we'll make all hand guns illegal so the crime rate will go down" |
| 03:35.18 | catskul | has anyone here who has the c760 been sucessfull at connecting over usbnet ? |
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| 03:35.42 | mark | warmi_, our bill of rights grants us freedom to own a weapon |
| 03:35.48 | ljp | ya! |
| 03:36.06 | mark | warmi_, that fact just gets ignored :) |
| 03:36.14 | warmi_ | mark: Brits used to have rights like that before too .... |
| 03:36.26 | George- | hey, don't lecture us on right mr we-have-the-dmca |
| 03:37.00 | mark | warmi_, presumably you also think you have the right to be in possesion of and take any recreational drug? |
| 03:38.13 | warmi_ | mark: yeah of course - I am all for punishing behaviour resulting from overuse of such drugs but not for prohibition - it didn't work 70 years ago |
| 03:38.16 | mark | ok good |
| 03:38.19 | ljp | ya, man. if I wanna zone my brain, I have a right too do so |
| 03:38.31 | mark | coz the pro gun but anti drug position is untennable |
| 03:38.41 | George- | If I want to stick a knife in my hear, I have a right to do so |
| 03:38.43 | ljp | bring on he guns, lsd and big boobs! |
| 03:39.06 | ljp | s/he/the |
| 03:39.10 | George- | <michael jackson> if I want to fuck little children, I have a right to do so</michael jackson> |
| 03:39.35 | mark | George-, most of my straight friends would shag michael jackson |
| 03:39.44 | mark | and would be flattered to have done so |
| 03:39.50 | warmi_ | uh |
| 03:39.53 | ljp | damn, my handhelds email is frickin spamville now |
| 03:39.55 | George- | mark: WTF |
| 03:40.02 | mark | George-, hehe yeh i know |
| 03:40.20 | George- | ok, I'm going to bed |
| 03:40.21 | George- | I've had enough |
| 03:40.23 | George- | g'nite |
| 03:40.25 | warmi_ | "only in US can a poor black boy grow up to be a rich white woman " - I read it somewhere |
| 03:40.29 | mark | night |
| 03:41.34 | warmi_ | night |
| 03:41.53 | warmi_ | mark: you guys get 2 weeks off for Xmass ? |
| 03:42.06 | George- | I got 4 weeks |
| 03:42.07 | mark | warmi_, 2 weeks which then rolls straight into exams |
| 03:43.27 | warmi_ | 4 frigging weeks ? |
| 03:44.47 | warmi_ | mark: since you are into political science etc .. do you actually read a lot of stuff writen by people Churchill etc ... ? |
| 03:44.59 | warmi_ | by people like Churchill |
| 03:45.12 | George- | Churchill went to my school |
| 03:45.22 | warmi_ | some people consider this sort of stuff to be definition of boredom |
| 03:45.48 | George- | nite |
| 03:46.09 | warmi_ | yeha, you don't need to sleep - you got 4 frigging weeks for that george |
| 03:46.16 | George- | shut it :P |
| 03:46.23 | George- | I require sleep |
| 03:46.38 | warmi_ | you think you do .. |
| 03:47.38 | warmi_ | ljp: do you do any coding these days while working for Trolls ? |
| 03:47.57 | ljp | yes |
| 03:48.09 | ljp | I havent done much although |
| 03:48.24 | ljp | need to work on this pdaudio still |
| 03:48.27 | warmi_ | ah coding in Australia .... as I said before, people pay big money to just be there for couple of weeks |
| 03:48.35 | ljp | :) |
| 03:48.42 | ljp | I know.. they pay me to be here |
| 03:49.04 | ljp | I need to move closer to the beach |
| 03:49.10 | warmi_ | yeah, some people get all the girls .... and others .. eh , I won't go there |
| 03:49.20 | ljp | :) |
| 03:49.41 | George- | look |
| 03:49.44 | George- | you don't WANT A LIFE |
| 03:49.49 | George- | LIVES ARE OVERRATED |
| 03:49.49 | George- | :D |
| 03:49.57 | George- | as Tangent told me a while back |
| 03:50.05 | ljp | heh, remember, George- is a virgin |
| 03:50.10 | warmi_ | hahah |
| 03:50.23 | warmi_ | and likely to be one for a while .. |
| 03:50.28 | warmi_ | :-) |
| 03:51.12 | warmi_ | ljp: do trolls still work with Sharp ? or rather do they have a business relationship with them ? |
| 03:51.41 | George- | git. |
| 03:52.22 | ljp | warmi_: yes and no. we have a meeting with them sometime soon, and are going to bring up a number of issues |
| 03:52.24 | warmi_ | ah ... this is called "Zaurus Discussion" , one can easily forget |
| 03:52.47 | warmi_ | ljp: yeah, but do they plan to purchase future versions of Qtopia etc ? |
| 03:52.55 | George- | zaurus sucks. |
| 03:53.02 | George- | I want Sharp to give me a new zaurus |
| 03:53.09 | George- | for free. |
| 03:53.24 | warmi_ | there is that Z 600 comming out .. or so I keep hearing |
| 03:53.32 | warmi_ | or is it Z 6000 |
| 03:53.36 | George- | 6000 |
| 03:53.42 | George- | pxa255 |
| 03:53.42 | mark | whats the gossip on other qt based pdas? |
| 03:53.48 | George- | 640x480 |
| 03:53.51 | George- | bt |
| 03:53.52 | George- | wifi |
| 03:53.59 | George- | keyboard etc |
| 03:54.02 | George- | looks quite nice |
| 03:54.03 | ljp | sharp has anounced the sl-6000 already |
| 03:54.10 | George- | anyway, I'm going to bed now |
| 03:54.11 | warmi_ | I actually heard some things about Motorola releasing some sort of Qtopia based phone |
| 03:54.13 | George- | for real |
| 03:54.16 | George- | so good night. |
| 03:54.18 | mark | warmi_, yeh i heard that |
| 03:54.23 | warmi_ | George: good night for real |
| 03:54.25 | mark | warmi_, asia only though |
| 03:54.26 | ljp | that phone is Qt E based |
| 03:54.39 | mark | run qtopia? |
| 03:54.55 | warmi_ | it looks like Trolls are getting all their business in Asian markets |
| 03:55.00 | warmi_ | I wonder why |
| 03:55.50 | warmi_ | and then there is that secret thing Kergoth/neo are working on .. |
| 03:55.57 | warmi_ | any news about that one ? |
| 03:56.03 | mark | i got a job offer from TI actually |
| 03:56.11 | mark | well not anoffer |
| 03:56.13 | ljp | :) |
| 03:56.16 | mark | a "would you be interested" |
| 03:56.31 | ljp | and were you interested? |
| 03:56.36 | warmi_ | yeah, I should have applied to them - it was a perfect opportunity for Qt related job but I was too lazy ... too comfortable in my current posiiton :-) |
| 03:57.14 | mark | ljp, i have university to go to :P |
| 03:57.16 | mark | so no |
| 03:57.31 | warmi_ | yeah, jobs come and go but - good thinking mark |
| 03:58.02 | warmi_ | ljp: in AU ? |
| 03:58.13 | ljp | *cough* TI is stealing a Qtopia developer |
| 03:58.24 | warmi_ | hehe |
| 03:58.42 | warmi_ | TI is going to end up employing half of #Zaurus |
| 03:58.43 | warmi_ | heh |
| 03:59.01 | ljp | perhaps.. :) |
| 03:59.02 | mark | warmi_, hehe |
| 03:59.51 | warmi_ | it is a bit risky though ... purely project based - if something goes wrong entire team will most likely end up on the street |
| 04:00.08 | warmi_ | unless of course TI is basing their entire line of products on Qtopia/Linux technology |
| 04:00.21 | mark | warmi_, mine was for their educational department |
| 04:00.37 | warmi_ | that's where Kergoth and Neo are working |
| 04:00.57 | warmi_ | from what I know they are working on some sort of educational PDA like device running Linux/Qtopia combo |
| 04:01.04 | mark | ah okay didnt know that |
| 04:02.17 | treke|home | timriker pasted a link to it |
| 04:02.24 | mark | " |
| 04:02.24 | mark | I work with Educational & Productivity Solutions, a business unit of Texas |
| 04:02.24 | mark | Instruments (TX). We are currently searching for Qt Developers for the Linux |
| 04:02.24 | mark | team. This position deals with devices/products for the classroom" |
| 04:02.29 | mark | woops sorry for the flood |
| 04:03.23 | treke|home | just think, you too could live in texas |
| 04:03.30 | warmi_ | frankly, considering how little NeoWork talks on this channel these days , they keep him quite busy up there |
| 04:03.36 | warmi_ | :-) |
| 04:03.48 | treke|home | I wish they wouldnt have hired him until after snails |
| 04:03.56 | warmi_ | treke: why didn't you try for it ? |
| 04:03.58 | mark | he still doing xengames? |
| 04:04.02 | warmi_ | treke: he never finished that port ? |
| 04:04.15 | treke|home | warmi_: I'm happy working where I do |
| 04:04.45 | warmi_ | same here .. I would prefer working on stuff like Qt than Java I am doing now but hey .... my job is relatively safe at this point and pays pretty well |
| 04:05.12 | treke|home | also the coworkers |
| 04:05.33 | ljp | s/surl/surf |
| 04:05.36 | warmi_ | well, that's another problem .... it takes a while to get used to the new enviroment , new people etc ... |
| 04:05.52 | treke|home | yeah, I work with some great people right now |
| 04:06.51 | warmi_ | yeah, we are so fucking diversified over here ... Jesse Jackson would be proud ... two black guys, an Indian,guy from Taiwan and me which is white naturalized American |
| 04:07.03 | treke|home | hmmm |
| 04:07.07 | treke|home | I think we have a chinese guy |
| 04:07.15 | treke|home | and then four white guys |
| 04:07.24 | warmi_ | it is alot of fun .. checking out ethnic restaurants etc ... |
| 04:07.40 | warmi_ | arguing with Chinesse guy about merits of China's claim to Taiwan etc .. |
| 04:08.09 | warmi_ | you think you have a chinesse guy ? I mean these guys tend to be rather easily recognizable :-) |
| 04:08.17 | mark | hehe |
| 04:08.19 | absentia | re |
| 04:08.45 | absentia | chine has no claim to taiwan |
| 04:08.59 | warmi_ | yeah, well you talk to them :-) |
| 04:09.18 | absentia | why does everyone want to rule the world? |
| 04:09.26 | ljp | because its fun |
| 04:09.33 | absentia | the sooner we all realize that we're all related... and there's only one earth... the better. |
| 04:09.40 | warmi_ | at the end of the day, the merits of claim are defined by the size of your guns - it always been that way |
| 04:09.42 | absentia | nationality is no longer required. |
| 04:09.47 | chouimat | absentia: because their is good $$$$ to make |
| 04:09.55 | absentia | money |
| 04:09.56 | absentia | bottom line |
| 04:10.00 | absentia | exatly. |
| 04:10.03 | absentia | people are stupid. |
| 04:10.09 | ljp | one reason to rule the world: you get the best women |
| 04:10.24 | absentia | I thought you got that with the most money? |
| 04:10.31 | ljp | same thing |
| 04:10.32 | absentia | speaking of that |
| 04:10.37 | absentia | I don't believe in the whole marriage thing |
| 04:10.40 | absentia | 1 woman |
| 04:10.41 | absentia | 1 man |
| 04:10.43 | absentia | out dated. |
| 04:10.43 | chouimat | absentia: start by explaining to my fellow citizen that nationality is a old concept :) |
| 04:10.58 | absentia | chou: which fellow citizen ? |
| 04:10.59 | ljp | ya, 1 man, many women sounds a whole lot beter to me, too |
| 04:11.11 | chouimat | absentia: Quebec |
| 04:11.21 | warmi_ | ah .. dream on |
| 04:11.55 | absentia | what's up with quebec? |
| 04:11.59 | absentia | they want to be french |
| 04:11.59 | absentia | or not french |
| 04:12.06 | absentia | I cant ever keep that insanity clear |
| 04:12.22 | chouimat | absentia: they don't want canada and everything that speak english |
| 04:12.23 | warmi_ | it is money again |
| 04:12.44 | absentia | fine |
| 04:12.46 | absentia | let'm |
| 04:12.48 | chouimat | just watched the last james bond and Halle Berry in a bikini is HOT |
| 04:12.54 | absentia | the french banninb englihs words |
| 04:12.56 | absentia | laughable |
| 04:13.03 | warmi_ | chouimat : you talking about here walking on the beach ;-) |
| 04:13.06 | absentia | have a web site hosted in france -- has to be in french? |
| 04:13.07 | warmi_ | I remember that |
| 04:13.07 | absentia | stupid |
| 04:13.08 | absentia | etc. |
| 04:13.22 | absentia | jinx? |
| 04:13.24 | warmi_ | here= her |
| 04:13.26 | chouimat | absentia: yup |
| 04:13.36 | absentia | how did the phrase so |
| 04:13.52 | absentia | remember: no matter how good she looks now, remember, someone somewhere is putting up with her shit. |
| 04:13.59 | absentia | puts things into perspective... |
| 04:14.14 | absentia | or, secret agent man... theme song: a pretty face can hide an evil mind. |
| 04:14.20 | absentia | I'd second that. |
| 04:14.24 | warmi_ | absentia: you are not in a very , shall we say , Xmass mood today are you ? |
| 04:14.25 | warmi_ | heh |
| 04:14.39 | absentia | this is normal me. |
| 04:14.47 | absentia | the world has too much stupidity... it pisses me off. |
| 04:15.11 | chouimat | absentia: stupidity is what created religions in first place |
| 04:15.27 | warmi_ | well, this is again your definition of stupidity ... |
| 04:15.30 | absentia | and what propagates it |
| 04:15.33 | absentia | now I hear dean for jesus |
| 04:15.35 | absentia | etc |
| 04:15.39 | warmi_ | hehehe |
| 04:16.13 | absentia | hell, I'm stupid about many things... but what I'm talking about here is a conscious acknowledgement by someone not to give a damn about things that they should... |
| 04:16.18 | absentia | you don't have to nkow everything about everything |
| 04:16.22 | chouimat | absentia: I'm pleased that here in Canada we made the distinction between GOD and GOV |
| 04:16.32 | absentia | but you should lknow more than just what it takes to prevent your skull from being crused by the approaching bus. |
| 04:16.45 | absentia | ch: and that distinction is ? |
| 04:16.58 | warmi_ | you are being hostile to religion ... don' |
| 04:17.03 | absentia | one shouldn't exist and the other doesn't? |
| 04:17.10 | chouimat | absentia: god as no place in gov |
| 04:17.21 | absentia | ch: WOW! |
| 04:17.21 | warmi_ | don't forget - for some people it is just another version of psychological therapy , a pain-killer of sorts |
| 04:17.28 | absentia | canada is run by athiests?! |
| 04:17.30 | absentia | I didn't know that. |
| 04:17.35 | chouimat | warmi_: I know |
| 04:17.48 | absentia | earm: yes, I agree with that. |
| 04:17.51 | chouimat | absentia: not exactly ... but god is not the premise for our laws |
| 04:17.58 | absentia | people want answers |
| 04:18.04 | absentia | religion claims to provide these |
| 04:18.10 | absentia | people are subdued, etc. |
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| 04:18.43 | chouimat | absentia: the problems is with some "religion" the questions must be a very dumb one |
| 04:18.50 | warmi_ | it is no better or worse answer than anything else .. as long as it is all in our heads who cares how we get thru the day |
| 04:18.54 | absentia | people in the US are starting to fall back on "the founding fathers made god part of the basis for our country and government" .. uh, ok... so maybe times have changed? |
| 04:19.21 | absentia | warm: ya, but some people's god's are telling them to kill anyone who doesn't believe in this god. |
| 04:19.30 | absentia | look at northern ireland... |
| 04:19.36 | absentia | that mcvey dude... |
| 04:19.42 | absentia | the extremist muslims |
| 04:19.44 | *** topic/#zaurus by catskul -> philosopy |
| 04:19.44 | *** topic/#zaurus by ChanServ -> Zaurus Discussion - http://www.zaurus.com/ - http://myzaurus.com/ | OpenZaurus help in #openzaurus (george-) |
| 04:19.44 | absentia | it's all religion. |
| 04:19.55 | warmi_ | that's just another version of criminal behaviour ... some people kill for money, others for sex .. and others for religion |
| 04:19.57 | absentia | hanserv an kiss my ass |
| 04:20.05 | absentia | warm: agreed. |
| 04:20.22 | absentia | the thing that bugs me about 99% of all muslims is that every other word is "allah" |
| 04:20.28 | chouimat | ljp: horny? |
| 04:21.01 | ljp | well, lets just say the women here like to wear hip hugger shorts and show their bellies off |
| 04:21.08 | warmi_ | altought I do think that Islam is indeed stuck in 7th century and while other religions managed to get with the times they are still trying to get their medieval society going in the same way they it back when mohammed was around |
| 04:21.18 | absentia | remember |
| 04:21.24 | absentia | the dark ages were caused by muslims. |
| 04:21.26 | chouimat | ljp: I'm drooling |
| 04:21.32 | absentia | nothing of value has come from that religion in over 1500 years. |
| 04:22.12 | chouimat | absentia: not entirely by them ... |
| 04:22.32 | ljp | infidel! |
| 04:22.50 | chouimat | ljp: nah nihilist |
| 04:22.52 | catskul | wow, so it in the hole by 200 years |
| 04:22.56 | warmi_ | hehehe |
| 04:23.05 | absentia | cat ? |
| 04:23.13 | treke|home | besides everyone knows all modern advances were driven by war and porn |
| 04:23.32 | warmi_ | treke: war and sex .. porn is for people who can't get sex any other way |
| 04:23.49 | chouimat | speaking of that ... I need to find some iraqi war porn |
| 04:23.49 | treke|home | Good point, that's the internet's driving force |
| 04:23.54 | treke|home | ... |
| 04:24.02 | catskul | islam started in the 7th century |
| 04:24.51 | absentia | cat: we're not talking binary here |
| 04:24.59 | absentia | what I'm trying to say is... |
| 04:25.00 | absentia | why don't some people eat portk? |
| 04:25.06 | absentia | jewish/muslim ? |
| 04:25.19 | warmi_ | catskul: yeah, if think that Christianity began 7 centuries before Islam then Islam is at the point where Christinity was in 1300s |
| 04:25.20 | absentia | do you ever find a chinese/japanese/asian that doesn't eat port for the same reason? |
| 04:25.45 | ljp | I dont eat prok |
| 04:25.48 | ljp | pork |
| 04:25.49 | warmi_ | absentia: yeah and so do Jews |
| 04:25.49 | absentia | whyt not ? |
| 04:26.00 | absentia | so do jews what ? |
| 04:26.06 | warmi_ | don't eat pork |
| 04:26.07 | catskul | absentia: way back when people died from eating pork |
| 04:26.07 | ljp | but then again, I dont eat cows or chickens, either |
| 04:26.09 | absentia | why not? |
| 04:26.15 | absentia | cat: EXACTLY |
| 04:26.17 | catskul | so it became a health readson |
| 04:26.21 | catskul | reason |
| 04:26.21 | absentia | what may have made sense 2000 years ago |
| 04:26.25 | absentia | doesn't make sense today |
| 04:26.30 | absentia | cat: I know, I know. |
| 04:26.33 | absentia | what I'm saying is.... |
| 04:26.38 | catskul | religeons adapt slowly |
| 04:26.42 | ljp | you can still die today from under cooked prok |
| 04:26.43 | absentia | people aren't thinking for themselves. |
| 04:26.46 | ljp | grr, pork |
| 04:27.03 | absentia | ljp: really? show me one news article about someone dying from it |
| 04:27.13 | warmi_ | ljp: there is nothing wrong with pork man ... in fact there are lot of good things about it |
| 04:27.14 | warmi_ | heh |
| 04:27.21 | ljp | you can die from undercooked beef too |
| 04:27.28 | catskul | its like evolution... harmfull mutations are eliminated, but benign ones linger for a while even after they are usless |
| 04:27.38 | absentia | you can get cvjd (bse) from beef |
| 04:27.39 | chouimat | ljp: more people will die of syphilis than pork |
| 04:27.40 | warmi_ | well, you can die from badly prepared/eaten vegetable as well |
| 04:27.42 | absentia | you can die from chicken/eggs |
| 04:27.49 | absentia | people drop dead from oysters... |
| 04:27.56 | absentia | people are deathly allergic to peanuts. |
| 04:28.09 | absentia | oh, and veggies, etc. |
| 04:28.20 | absentia | so, lets make a religion where we can't eat all those things! |
| 04:28.20 | absentia | w00t |
| 04:28.25 | absentia | you can die from clay |
| 04:28.37 | absentia | hell, you can die from living. |
| 04:28.41 | absentia | in fact, I think it's prereq |
| 04:28.52 | absentia | so |
| 04:28.54 | absentia | that begs the question |
| 04:29.01 | absentia | if you're so f'n worried 'bout dying |
| 04:29.03 | warmi_ | absentia: yeah, but you are missing the point ... people are free to associate in any manner they like as long as they don't enforce their own rules on you .. no need to be hostile to religion |
| 04:29.05 | absentia | what are you worried FOR? |
| 04:29.09 | catskul | does anyone have a c760... im really going nuts trying to get this thing to work |
| 04:29.11 | absentia | what is it you want to live FOR? |
| 04:29.19 | catskul | sex |
| 04:29.24 | warmi_ | if they fuck with others, they they should be hunted just like any other common criminals |
| 04:29.25 | absentia | warm: ah, but that's the point of religion |
| 04:29.28 | absentia | to rule the world |
| 04:29.38 | absentia | warm: amen! |
| 04:29.47 | ljp | catskul: try http://externe.net/zaurus/forum/ |
| 04:29.58 | catskul | absentia: religeon is a meme |
| 04:30.12 | absentia | cat: well, we need a critical thinking meme |
| 04:30.22 | absentia | that's more powerful than wishful fantasy thinking |
| 04:30.32 | absentia | people get UPSET when yo ustart to question their beliefs. |
| 04:30.33 | absentia | STUPID! |
| 04:30.37 | chouimat | ok time to get a nice shower |
| 04:30.41 | catskul | absentia: have you gotten usb networking working on OpenZaurus and c760 ? |
| 04:30.48 | absentia | no |
| 04:31.17 | absentia | the words "openzaurus" and "working" usually have the word "not" involved somewhere |
| 04:31.19 | absentia | in the mix |
| 04:31.33 | treke|home | feel free to fix it |
| 04:31.44 | catskul | a critiacal thinking meme will probably develop if it allows some certain population to outsurvive another |
| 04:31.44 | catskul | Im trying |
| 04:32.35 | catskul | the critical thinking meme probably has not devloped thus far because critical thinking is less usfull than tradition in learning survival related behaviors, unless you have alot of science to back itup |
| 04:32.44 | catskul | for example the pork thing |
| 04:33.01 | catskul | if people then thought critically about " how can pork hurt me " |
| 04:33.10 | catskul | they probably would not have figured it out |
| 04:33.15 | catskul | and ate pork anyways |
| 04:33.34 | catskul | and so religeon was a more powerful meme as a survival tool |
| 04:34.02 | catskul | the absence of pork eating is not particularly usefull now, but nor is it harmfull |
| 04:34.14 | catskul | but perhaps abstinance is the new pork |
| 04:34.25 | catskul | allowing religeous people to avoid STD's |
| 04:34.39 | catskul | mmmm steak : ) |
| 04:34.55 | ljp | mmmm madcow |
| 04:35.11 | catskul | you can only get madcow from eating an infected cows brain |
| 04:35.18 | catskul | not from eating meat |
| 04:36.05 | warmi_ | speaking of steak ... I still have my pork taco waiting for me ... |
| 04:36.15 | ljp | its not just the brain |
| 04:36.17 | warmi_ | I am going to engage in what ljp calls insanity |
| 04:36.25 | warmi_ | ljp: spinal cord |
| 04:36.31 | warmi_ | which means steaks are safe |
| 04:36.45 | ljp | try a madcow hamburger |
| 04:36.52 | catskul | ljp: thanks for the link... I actually had already been browsing it |
| 04:37.07 | ljp | not too many people have c760's |
| 04:38.31 | absentia | re |
| 04:39.27 | absentia | wow |
| 04:39.36 | absentia | you all talked a lot in 2 minutes |
| 04:40.00 | absentia | supposedly you can get mad cow from eyes, tonsils, spinal, brain, etc |
| 04:40.17 | absentia | mad cow incubates from 3 to 40 years |
| 04:40.32 | absentia | we may not know how many people have been infected |
| 04:40.35 | absentia | etc |
| 04:40.37 | absentia | suck |
| 04:40.38 | absentia | s |
| 04:40.52 | chouimat | absentia: maybe you already are |
| 04:40.58 | absentia | who knows. |
| 04:41.18 | absentia | I am already losing my ability to think... |
| 04:41.38 | chouimat | absentia: this alcohol |
| 04:41.48 | absentia | hmmm |
| 04:41.50 | absentia | maybe |
| 04:41.52 | ljp | can we rename is McCow disease? |
| 04:41.58 | ljp | s/is/it |
| 04:42.15 | chouimat | ljp: go get a surf girl and send me one |
| 04:42.34 | ljp | soory, need to keep them for myself right ow |
| 04:42.39 | ljp | now |
| 04:42.57 | absentia | ha |
| 04:43.08 | chouimat | ljp: any job posted lately? |
| 04:43.46 | ljp | now one has been in all week |
| 04:44.01 | chouimat | ljp: where? |
| 04:44.35 | mark | we had some weird meat on the bone rule when we had BSE here |
| 04:44.36 | catskul | anyone know what format the backupfiles are for the zaurus when they are made by the SharpRom's backup utility ? |
| 04:44.54 | absentia | tar |
| 04:46.47 | chouimat | ok anyway I'm going to sleep |
| 04:47.14 | chouimat | night |
| 04:47.18 | ljp | interesting it's associated with nerve tissues |
| 04:48.01 | ljp | at least thats what they say |
| 04:50.35 | ljp | basically they dont really kow how its transmitted |
| 04:51.02 | ljp | to humans |
| 04:54.11 | ljp | and no way to get it flashing a c760 |
| 04:54.48 | catskul | maybe if I touched infected meat then touched the c760 |
| 04:54.59 | catskul | and someone was flashing it and touched where i did |
| 04:55.04 | catskul | and then licked their finger |
| 04:57.26 | ljp | or rubbed their eye |
| 05:01.19 | treke|home | 30 seconds. not half bad :) |
| 05:04.25 | ljp | hmm. my alsadriver in buildroot isnt creating pdaudiocf |
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| 05:07.54 | catskul | anyone know what format zImage.bin is in ? |
| 05:09.44 | treke|home | it's a kernel |
| 05:10.40 | ljp | alsadrive ipk is 0 length.. poop |
| 05:10.43 | catskul | oh... duh |
| 05:10.54 | catskul | Im trying to get at the usbnet drivers for the zaurus |
| 05:11.00 | catskul | where might I find them |
| 05:11.20 | catskul | ie (usbdserial, usbdmonitor, etc) |
| 05:12.23 | catskul | it would be in the initrd correct ? |
| 05:12.39 | catskul | i cannot mount that either |
| 05:12.46 | catskul | (nor unzip it) |
| 05:15.44 | ljp | oz? |
| 05:15.49 | catskul | yep |
| 05:16.16 | ljp | is jffs2 |
| 05:17.03 | catskul | wouldnt you know it ... i dont have the jffs2 modules to allow me to mount it : P |
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| 05:20.27 | ljp | you also have to have mtd, and create that |
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| 05:20.42 | ljp | I have a script that will mount a jffs2 initrd.bin |
| 05:21.13 | catskul | using what ? |
| 05:22.53 | ljp | http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/mountJffs2.sh |
| 05:23.13 | catskul | does it require jffs2 and mtd ? |
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| 05:24.59 | ljp | change the modprobe mtdram to modprobe mtdram total_size=32768 erase_size=256 |
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| 05:28.14 | ljp | I updated that script |
| 05:29.17 | catskul | thanks |
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| 05:29.44 | ljp | yes, need both jffs2 and mtd modules |
| 05:30.03 | ljp | that script modprobes the mtd modules you need |
| 05:31.40 | catskul | do you think that the fact that the modules for the sharp rom were compiled with gcc < 3 could make the difference that allows them to work and the OZ modules not to ? |
| 05:32.07 | treke|z | all zaurus kernels are built with ggc2 |
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| 05:32.16 | treke|z | ljp, tge one in hh.o cvs |
| 05:32.42 | ljp | hmm, I suppose its a patched one, eh |
| 05:33.29 | treke|z | i think its completely custm |
| 05:33.53 | ljp | *sigh* |
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| 05:34.54 | treke|z | i hate opieirc |
| 05:35.55 | ljp | why |
| 05:36.31 | treke|z | it randomly loses channels |
| 05:37.01 | ljp | ya, it happens when you switch, I think |
| 05:37.27 | ljp | i thought it was because the close button is near the tab |
| 05:40.19 | ljp | treke: you ipaq kernel didnt compile last time I tried it |
| 05:40.31 | ljp | buildroot |
| 05:51.38 | catskul | anyone have the original sharp rom for the c760 ? |
| 05:51.38 | chuckr | treke, when you're using configure, and you're on a x86 but want to build for a arm-linux (and you have a gcc which will do that) then my question regards the meanings of the words target and host |
| 05:51.54 | chuckr | target would mean the arch you want to produce binaries for right? |
| 05:52.13 | chuckr | and host is the arch you're actually building on, right? |
| 05:52.16 | ljp | yes |
| 05:53.08 | chuckr | I'm in glib and it's uring me to set --host for a cross compile, which seems wrong, and it's insisting that binaries must run unless I define --host, not --target (which I would think would be more right) |
| 05:53.35 | chuckr | (I have configure) |
| 05:53.42 | chuckr | (I hate configure) |
| 05:53.55 | chuckr | god what a differenc in one little letter |
| 05:54.37 | chuckr | anyhow, is this a bug in the glib configure, do I set --host, not target? |
| 05:56.29 | ljp | set target, not host |
| 05:57.20 | ljp | set build= |
| 05:57.33 | ljp | --build |
| 05:59.57 | chuckr | umm --build? I konw target and host, but not build, what does that one mean? |
| 06:02.22 | chuckr | I have got screwed up gcc, because I have the arm gcc installed in /usr/local, but the regular gcc is in /usr/bin, so gcc's normal switches can't handle that (I have chosen it by path). I thin kI'm going to handle that by building 3.3.2 and installing it in /usr/local, so that it's path is like the arm one, so gcc can find both via the command line switches |
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| 06:20.04 | omin0us | hello all |
| 06:24.40 | treke|wherever | omin0us |
| 06:24.40 | chuckr | hullo |
| 06:24.40 | omin0us | treke|wherever |
| 06:45.27 | ljp | whooped?? |
| 06:46.15 | treke|laptop | got X running |
| 06:48.16 | ljp | heh |
| 06:50.23 | catskul | oh solo mio....... !!!! |
| 06:50.48 | catskul | why cant anything ever just work ? |
| 06:55.09 | ljp | that would be too easy |
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| 07:20.38 | catskul | anyone have a 760 that still has the original rom on it ... Im wondering about the network parameters and if they have anything to do with it |
| 07:27.47 | ljp | might try looking in you /mnt/mtdblock3 directory |
| 07:27.57 | ljp | I _think_ thats the old stuff |
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| 12:52.06 | gaurdian | exit |
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| 13:46.35 | George- | Foxdie: slob. |
| 13:49.33 | Foxdie | I got to bed at 4AM after drinking and gaming |
| 13:49.59 | Foxdie | and then I got woken up at like 10am to be told my step-gran probably has cancer and has been rushed to hospital |
| 13:50.09 | Foxdie | and then woken up again at 11am by the phone ringing and not getting to it in time |
| 13:50.10 | George- | Foxdie: I went to bed at 4:30 |
| 13:50.14 | George- | Foxdie: and I was up at 11 |
| 13:50.23 | Foxdie | so I thought fuck the world and just collapsed until about 1pm |
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| 13:50.34 | Foxdie | and I've spent the last half an hour on the phone to my non-step-grandma and dad |
| 13:50.44 | Foxdie | and now I'm looking at bondage porn |
| 13:50.48 | Foxdie | because I'm a freak. |
| 13:50.49 | George- | ... |
| 13:52.45 | Foxdie | and if you believe that last part you're as gullible as a 5 year old. |
| 13:53.26 | George- | Foxdie: but.., you ARE a freak |
| 13:53.37 | Foxdie | So what if I am? So are you |
| 13:53.55 | George- | yes, but that's the last part of what you said. |
| 13:53.59 | George- | <Foxdie> because I'm a freak. |
| 13:54.06 | Foxdie | well I meant the bondage porn sentence :P |
| 13:54.15 | George- | you're an idiot then :P |
| 13:54.35 | Foxdie | No, I'm actually quite smart, my only excuse for having a lapse of that is that I got fuck all sleep :) |
| 13:54.48 | George- | my arse you did |
| 13:54.52 | George- | I got less sleep than you! |
| 13:55.08 | Foxdie | And you're showing it hehe |
| 13:56.01 | Foxdie | Wow I just realised I have the entire house to myself |
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| 15:59.14 | chouimat | morning |
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| 16:58.12 | chouimat | hi treke|la1top |
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| 17:21.22 | weez | has anyone ever suddenly noticed the interactive zaurus shell (through ssh) suddenly being really wonky with lots of pauses? |
| 17:21.53 | weez | its either the network or something else.. I am going to check from the zaurus to see if it behaves the same |
| 17:26.12 | weez | it appears to be the network or nice or something as a shell running on the zaurus appears to be fine |
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| 19:14.07 | absentia | wez: can happen when the ey is being renegotiated |
| 19:14.18 | absentia | but doesn't last. |
| 19:27.01 | absentia | h0h0h0 |
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| 20:13.27 | George- | odd |
| 20:13.43 | George- | I was granted ops in a random channel I'd never heard of before.. and it was an mIRC support channel |
| 20:13.44 | George- | wtf |
| 20:16.04 | ljp | heh |
| 20:16.15 | W8TVI | lol |
| 20:16.21 | absentia | why is that odd? |
| 20:18.02 | ljp | its odd because no one in a sane mind would ever give George- ops |
| 20:20.51 | warmi_ | haha |
| 20:21.00 | warmi_ | odd indeed |
| 20:22.08 | warmi_ | 40 thousand dead .... that's just hard to imagine http://www.drudgereport.com/ |
| 20:22.15 | absentia | what gets me |
| 20:22.22 | absentia | is that we just had a 6.5 in californai |
| 20:22.32 | absentia | and 2 people were dead from a falling tower (church tower?) |
| 20:22.40 | absentia | they get a 6.x and 40,000 people die. |
| 20:22.46 | absentia | they KNOW there are faults all over the place |
| 20:22.51 | absentia | yet, they still build death traps |
| 20:23.05 | absentia | I can't help by feel so sorry.. and yet disgusted... by the event |
| 20:23.37 | warmi_ | well, this is the same sort of effect that results in 100 000 dead in some flood in Bangladesh while the same kind of flood will kill maybe 10-15 people in US |
| 20:23.48 | absentia | :-< |
| 20:23.52 | absentia | such a waste.... |
| 20:24.45 | ljp | theres a big difference between a 6.5 and a 6.7, not to mention all the houses there are made of mud and rocks |
| 20:24.51 | warmi_ | seems that the less advanced society is , the cheaper human lifes becomes |
| 20:25.45 | warmi_ | ljp: yeah, the scale is not linear |
| 20:26.23 | warmi_ | they should learn from Japanese and start building with light wood frames etc ... |
| 20:26.35 | ljp | theres no wood there |
| 20:26.51 | warmi_ | since obvuiously they can't afford heavy , steel reinforced buildings ... |
| 20:27.01 | absentia | ok |
| 20:27.18 | warmi_ | then make them out of mud but in such way that it doesn't become a death trap |
| 20:27.21 | warmi_ | I don't know .... |
| 20:27.26 | absentia | every number is a power of 10 |
| 20:27.33 | absentia | so a 6.5 to 6.7 is significant |
| 20:27.35 | warmi_ | it seems they never learn |
| 20:27.37 | absentia | but not as much as a 5.7 to a 6.7 |
| 20:27.40 | absentia | or a 6.7 to a 7.7 |
| 20:27.41 | absentia | still... |
| 20:28.19 | warmi_ | 40 thousand people ... that's like 10 "sept 11s" rolled in one |
| 20:29.34 | absentia | I know. |
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| 20:31.39 | ljp | hmm, most reports seem to say it was 6.3 |
| 20:33.23 | ljp | http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/ |
| 20:34.02 | treke|home | shit a 7? |
| 20:34.26 | treke|home | hopefully no one lives around there |
| 20:34.30 | ljp | ya, that place seems active |
| 20:34.39 | ljp | as does central cali |
| 20:35.13 | treke|home | well they did just have a 6.5 or so a week ago :) |
| 20:35.32 | absentia | treke: look down 8 lines |
| 20:35.33 | ljp | loyalty islands are sort of near au |
| 20:35.34 | treke|home | though california is always pretty busy |
| 20:35.35 | absentia | 6.7 yesterday |
| 20:35.49 | chouimat | ? |
| 20:36.16 | ChipX86 | yeah, we always have earthquakes here |
| 20:36.18 | absentia | did you read, some scientists were saying that some mountains in ca grew by 12 inches from the last quake. |
| 20:36.21 | ChipX86 | but since we're surfing 24/7, we hardly notice |
| 20:37.33 | treke|home | no, but I read about the gas station attendent in alabama that filled up Elvis's gas tank last week |
| 20:39.21 | ljp | hehee |
| 20:39.36 | warmi_ | actually I did read somewhere that some mountain grew a bit as a result of the latest CA quake |
| 20:41.05 | ljp | someone should create an opie app to download the latest earthquake infos |
| 20:41.49 | absentia | once I get better at qt, I'll start rolling out the apps. |
| 20:41.56 | warmi_ | ah .. that mad cow we were talking about last night came from Canada ... how suprising |
| 20:42.23 | ljp | yes, but that was 3 years ago |
| 20:43.04 | warmi_ | no they traced that latest mad cow victim back to Canada |
| 20:43.18 | ljp | yes, that cow was imported 3 years ago |
| 20:43.24 | absentia | huh ? |
| 20:43.37 | warmi_ | ah ok .. so as long as this is the only case , US should be in clear |
| 20:43.40 | absentia | we're all reading cnn front page, yes |
| 20:46.00 | ljp | only case might be a bit unprobable |
| 20:46.01 | absentia | we don't know really... |
| 20:46.07 | absentia | incubation may be 30 to 40 years |
| 20:46.12 | absentia | although I hear there is a piss test |
| 20:46.18 | absentia | but like.. what' good is that gonna do you |
| 20:46.25 | absentia | let you know you're DEFINITELY gonna die fro this shit? |
| 20:46.48 | ljp | I wont |
| 20:46.56 | absentia | why not ? |
| 20:47.00 | warmi_ | in 40 years I will be 70 years old ... that's not bad |
| 20:47.08 | ljp | I havent eatten meat since 1985 |
| 20:47.16 | absentia | ah |
| 20:47.21 | absentia | you can die from veggies |
| 20:47.22 | absentia | scallions |
| 20:47.25 | absentia | lettuce |
| 20:47.27 | absentia | tomatoes |
| 20:47.29 | absentia | etc |
| 20:47.36 | ljp | sure... |
| 20:47.42 | warmi_ | well, ljp sooner or later someone will discover some sort of mad potato disease or something like that ... |
| 20:47.47 | ljp | you can die from water also |
| 20:47.53 | ljp | mad carrot |
| 20:47.58 | absentia | no, seriously. |
| 20:48.01 | absentia | it's just a metter of odds. |
| 20:48.12 | treke|home | beef is a fruit |
| 20:48.38 | warmi_ | that's a novel thinking ... |
| 20:48.48 | ljp | well, I tend to hear of more botulism cases stemming from eating tainted meat than eating tainted vegies |
| 20:49.05 | absentia | true |
| 20:49.56 | treke|home | I guess we know what we have to do |
| 20:50.08 | absentia | find a cure? |
| 20:50.08 | treke|home | absentia: you buy the botulism, I'll buy the carrots |
| 20:50.23 | treke|home | well I guess we could do it that way |
| 20:50.59 | absentia | did you hear about the people who died from their hottub ? |
| 20:51.09 | absentia | they didn't clean it properly.. and they all got sick and died in like 2 days. |
| 20:51.10 | absentia | heheh |
| 20:51.17 | absentia | you just can't win. |
| 20:52.13 | ljp | cell phones heat up your head |
| 20:52.22 | absentia | yup. I hate that. |
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| 21:17.57 | absentia | hey sheen |
| 21:18.01 | sheenmaster | hi |
| 21:18.31 | sheenmaster | I started fooling around with the corss compiler tree. |
| 21:18.43 | sheenmaster | I've got the i386 binutils on my zaurus. |
| 21:19.13 | sheenmaster | A gcc cross compiler is next of course. |
| 21:19.49 | sheenmaster | What good is a pda without one? |
| 21:20.51 | absentia | I don't have one. |
| 21:20.52 | absentia | yet |
| 21:20.53 | absentia | really |
| 21:22.14 | sheenmaster | I got got a half-gig SD card. |
| 21:22.22 | absentia | ditto |
| 21:22.40 | sheenmaster | Well I can compile GCC in two minutes, so there! |
| 21:23.04 | absentia | nice |
| 21:23.36 | sheenmaster | Yeah. |
| 21:23.48 | sheenmaster | We are about to add a threadcount variable to our Makefile config. |
| 21:24.20 | sheenmaster | My iBook can't handle eight threads, and it has most of the compilers until we finish packaging them. |
| 21:32.40 | sheenmaster | weird |
| 21:32.49 | sheenmaster | is anyone else getting 404 messages for the Z feeds? |
| 21:32.54 | sheenmaster | s/Z/OZ/ |
| 21:33.32 | treke|home | they appear to be there |
| 21:39.11 | W8TVI | sheenmaster: have you TyPeD tHe RiGhT cAsE? |
| 21:42.43 | sheenmaster | W8TVI: Unir lbh ebgngrq lbhe punenpgre znc? |
| 21:44.46 | W8TVI | V yvxr Gevcyr Ebg13 |
| 21:46.58 | sheenmaster | Ubj gur uryy qb lbh xabj guvf pbqr? V unq gb oernx vagb Nqbor'f cevznel onpxhc freire gb trg guvf; nyy gurve pelcgb vf onfrq hcba vg. |
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| 21:50.26 | W8TVI | furraznfgre: trbpnpuvat. |
| 21:52.22 | W8TVI | njrfbzn cbjn! |
| 21:53.30 | sheenmaster | V org jr'er ivbyngvat n srj cngragf evtug abj. |
| 21:54.13 | W8TVI | ebg13.pbz! |
| 21:55.30 | sheenmaster | Gung'f abg NJRFBZR CBJN! OFQ-tnzrf ehyr. |
| 21:55.44 | W8TVI | qbrf tnvz unir n ohvyg va ebg13 guvat, be ner lbh hfvat ebg13.pbz? |
| 21:56.22 | sheenmaster | V hfr ofqtnzrf. Vg'f n cnpxntr bs tnzrf sebz OFQ havk, cbegrq gb Yvahk. |
| 21:57.04 | sheenmaster | V pbhyq jevgr n tnvz cyhtva sbe vg. V qvq n cebgbpby cyhtva erpragyl, naq vg vfa'g gung qvssvphyg bapr lbh ernyvmr gung n ybg bs gur pbqr va TNVZ fheirf ab npghny checbfr. |
| 21:57.12 | W8TVI | pbby |
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| 21:57.28 | chouimat | tabarnack les gars |
| 21:57.57 | W8TVI | Whfg qbag yrg PuvcK86 urne gung! uru |
| 21:58.12 | W8TVI | gnoneanpx yrf tnef |
| 21:59.17 | W8TVI | va jvaqbjf V unir n zvep fpevcg gung V znqr gung V znqr na rapevcgre sbe vg. |
| 21:59.22 | George- | are you talking in rot 13?!?! |
| 21:59.26 | sheenmaster | K86 fhpxf. Nyy rvtug bs gur 64-ovg cebprffbef jvgu 4Z bs y2 pnpur va zl R3500 ner ynhtuvat ng lbh. Gur 4T bs enz naq rvtug svoer-punaary uneq qvfxf ner favpxrevat n ovg. |
| 21:59.33 | sheenmaster | George-: lrc |
| 22:00.00 | George- | ibot rot13 Irc |
| 22:00.00 | | Vep |
| 22:00.03 | George- | ibot rot13 lrc |
| 22:00.03 | | yep |
| 22:00.30 | sheenmaster | Abj Fbynevf vf puvzvat va gbb. Rira zl hahfrq FPB BcraFreire qvfp frg vg ynhtuvat ng lbh. (Qba'g jbeel, vg vfa'g ertvfgrerq.) |
| 22:00.39 | George- | ibot rot13 sheenmaster sucks dick because he like to talk in rot13 |
| 22:00.39 | | furraznfgre fhpxf qvpx orpnhfr ur yvxr gb gnyx va ebg13 |
| 22:00.54 | George- | ibot rot13 qbrf tnvz unir n ohvyg va ebg13 guvat, be ner lbh hfvat ebg13.pbz? |
| 22:00.54 | | does gaim have a built in rot13 thing, or are you using rot13.com? |
| 22:01.10 | sheenmaster | I'm using the rot13 command from bsdgames. |
| 22:02.15 | sheenmaster | A group that I'm in will have a zaurus port in a few days. We're building a full-fledged distro compiled toward all supported targets, including arm-linux. |
| 22:02.55 | George- | sheenmaster: of what? |
| 22:03.21 | sheenmaster | Of everything. |
| 22:03.35 | sheenmaster | We're building a whole distro around a portable packaging system. |
| 22:03.46 | sheenmaster | EVERY package is loaded for EVERY target platform with very few exceptions. |
| 22:03.58 | sheenmaster | It's not like Debian/ARM where things are scaled down. |
| 22:04.11 | weez | for newer debian packages, I cant just tar and unzip them. What needs to be done to bust them open? |
| 22:04.14 | sheenmaster | Add a large NFS mount and you can cross compile to my E3500 from your zaurus. |
| 22:04.53 | sheenmaster | (I suspect it won't match mine's GCC compile time of two minutes, but you're welcome to try.) |
| 22:18.56 | weez | nevermind.. needs ar to get them out |
| 22:32.04 | absentia | hey |
| 22:33.50 | Twiun | hey |
| 22:36.12 | absentia | anyone know hte file to erase to make the x11 rom ercalibrate itself (mouse) on reboot ? |
| 22:37.05 | ljp | you can recalibrate it |
| 22:37.11 | ljp | oh. x11 |
| 22:37.37 | absentia | ya |
| 22:37.43 | absentia | it'sw WAY off |
| 22:39.37 | absentia | I touch the screen |
| 22:39.41 | absentia | 2 1 3 |
| 22:39.44 | absentia | at spot 1... repeatedly |
| 22:39.53 | absentia | and it jumps btween sports 2 and 3... back and forth |
| 22:39.56 | absentia | even though I"m not moving. |
| 22:41.52 | Twiun | doesn't it use the same as opie? /etc something? |
| 22:42.08 | absentia | ts_conf |
| 22:42.12 | absentia | I looked for all files under ts_ |
| 22:42.16 | absentia | didn't see one that looked like the data |
| 22:42.21 | absentia | I just removed ts.conf and I'm rebooting.. |
| 22:42.22 | absentia | lets see |
| 22:42.28 | absentia | I may just flash again |
| 22:43.37 | absentia | http://www.busybox.net/shame.html |
| 22:43.58 | Twiun | /etc/calibrate? |
| 22:44.31 | absentia | dunno |
| 22:44.33 | absentia | I can't even log in now |
| 22:44.37 | absentia | I can't click on the fucking box |
| 22:44.54 | absentia | ah |
| 22:44.56 | absentia | phantom display |
| 22:45.02 | absentia | it didn't refresh the xdm |
| 22:47.25 | absentia | there are only two files... |
| 22:47.29 | absentia | both bin/ts_calibrate |
| 22:47.34 | absentia | that have the word "calibrate" inthem |
| 22:48.26 | absentia | hmm |
| 22:48.29 | absentia | updates to the cacko site |
| 22:48.30 | absentia | very nice |
| 22:49.06 | absentia | Q: How do i recalibrate the touchscreen? |
| 22:49.06 | absentia | A: Run konsole (or connect via telnet) and remove file /etc/pointercal_tslib like this: |
| 22:49.06 | absentia | rm /etc/pointercal_tslib |
| 22:49.07 | absentia | then reboot your Z. |
| 23:02.09 | *** join/#zaurus Cam______ (~chatzilla@userca029.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 23:03.53 | Cam______ | I'm thinking of getting an 860 - any comments on the device? |
| 23:04.23 | Cam______ | how would you rate the build quality of it? |
| 23:04.55 | absentia | built quality? |
| 23:04.59 | absentia | I've dropped mine many times |
| 23:05.01 | absentia | no damage |
| 23:05.09 | absentia | It feels sturdy |
| 23:05.12 | absentia | compared to the 5500/5600 |
| 23:05.13 | Cam______ | have you got a case for it? |
| 23:05.17 | absentia | no |
| 23:05.38 | Cam______ | if only they had builtin wireless... |
| 23:05.54 | absentia | ya |
| 23:06.05 | absentia | that's the only thing... if it had built in wireless, so I could get a larger cf |
| 23:06.10 | absentia | but it's still everything I need |
| 23:07.30 | Cam______ | I'm not a demanding PDA user to be honest - so getting it more as a geek toy... but it would be nice to be able to see one in real life before parting with 100s of ukp to some unknown company in the far east ;-) |
| 23:08.21 | absentia | true |
| 23:08.27 | absentia | I bought a 700 |
| 23:08.29 | absentia | then got a 760 |
| 23:08.32 | absentia | because I needed the 64mb ram |
| 23:08.36 | absentia | now I also have a 5600 |
| 23:08.46 | absentia | and I can say I definitely recommend the 7x0 model... |
| 23:08.52 | absentia | even over the 6000 with built in wifi, etc. |
| 23:08.57 | sheenmaster | !? |
| 23:09.07 | sheenmaster | absentia: seriously? |
| 23:09.11 | absentia | seriously what ? |
| 23:09.21 | Cam______ | I wondered with the 6000, will there be a 7x0 type model soon with builtin wifi... I mean it's got to be just a matter of time |
| 23:09.24 | sheenmaster | over 6000 |
| 23:09.28 | absentia | yes |
| 23:09.33 | absentia | I can't stand the keyboard on the 5600 |
| 23:09.38 | absentia | and it gets HOT |
| 23:09.39 | absentia | hot hot hot |
| 23:09.48 | sheenmaster | I'll trade. |
| 23:09.49 | absentia | and the screen needs a cover... or a screen |
| 23:09.51 | absentia | 700 flips. |
| 23:10.04 | Cam______ | I really don't like the tablet style Zauruses - I've got a 5000D |
| 23:10.04 | absentia | cam: ya, I figure. |
| 23:10.09 | absentia | yup |
| 23:10.15 | absentia | the 7x0 is *much* better |
| 23:10.22 | absentia | I'd recommend the 860 to EVERYONE who is interested. |
| 23:10.37 | Cam______ | does it get warm? the 7x0/860 models? |
| 23:10.42 | absentia | not really. |
| 23:10.47 | absentia | not compared to the 5600 |
| 23:10.53 | absentia | 5600 is WARM/HOT to the touch |
| 23:10.58 | absentia | 700 just isn't "cold" |
| 23:11.02 | absentia | I can't tell if it's warmer or not |
| 23:11.13 | absentia | I mean, there feels like 0 heat |
| 23:11.18 | absentia | the 5600 power supply is 5v 2a |
| 23:11.24 | absentia | 700/760 is 5v 1a |
| 23:11.30 | Cam______ | that's good. a sign of good power management |
| 23:12.04 | Cam______ | I hear the screen is not so good in bright light |
| 23:12.11 | absentia | corrent |
| 23:12.16 | absentia | I haven't tried my 5600 in sunlight |
| 23:12.20 | absentia | but it's dum... compared to the 7x0 |
| 23:12.27 | absentia | and the 7x0 is almost impossible to see in sunlight |
| 23:12.33 | absentia | but inside, it's the brightest thing around. |
| 23:12.51 | Cam______ | Well the Japanese have high levels of ambient light so I'm hoping it is designed to cope |
| 23:13.43 | Cam______ | in the UK I'm not too worried about bright daylight (well not for most of the months of the year :) |
| 23:14.25 | W8TVI | does it snow in england? |
| 23:14.26 | absentia | ha |
| 23:14.39 | absentia | when I went to london, it was sunny and blue... for about a week |
| 23:14.48 | Cam______ | It snows most years in the UK, but not heavily and not usually on christmas day |
| 23:15.02 | absentia | I have a pic of the big-ben clock.. with the sun directly behind it... I use to put a caption "what's wrong with this picture" |
| 23:15.07 | absentia | or "recognize this" ? |
| 23:15.18 | Cam______ | :) |
| 23:15.35 | Cam______ | where I live in the midlands the climate tends to be relatively mild |
| 23:15.48 | Cam______ | some coastal areas seem to get worse weather |
| 23:17.08 | Cam______ | we get occasional floods - but they are more a diversion than a danger |
| 23:17.56 | George- | what's with the fucking lame nick? |
| 23:17.59 | George- | ibot nickometer Cam______ |
| 23:18.00 | | 'Cam______' is 99.963% lame, george- |
| 23:18.31 | sheenmaster | ibot: nickometer ibook |
| 23:18.31 | | 'ibook' is 0.000% lame, sheenmaster |
| 23:18.41 | absentia | tw: you have the x11 rom handy/installed? |
| 23:18.41 | sheenmaster | meant to say ibot |
| 23:18.44 | sheenmaster | oh well |
| 23:18.59 | Cam______ | every time someone has my nick, my client adds an underscore for me |
| 23:19.04 | absentia | ibot: nickometer LAME|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |
| 23:19.04 | | 'LAME||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||' is 99.9969% lame, absentia |
| 23:19.11 | absentia | 99.997!!! |
| 23:19.14 | absentia | <-- am score |
| 23:19.28 | George- | ibot nickometer .................................................................................................................................................................................... |
| 23:19.28 | | '....................................................................................................................................................................................' is 99.9968% lame, george- |
| 23:19.44 | George- | CRAP, 0.001 lower than absentia's one! |
| 23:19.51 | absentia | heheh |
| 23:19.52 | melete | ibot: nickometer melete |
| 23:19.53 | | 'melete' is 0.000% lame, melete |
| 23:19.54 | George- | ibot nickometer .............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. |
| 23:19.54 | | '..............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................' is 99.997% lame, george- |
| 23:19.55 | absentia | YOU TRULY SUCK! |
| 23:20.05 | George- | HAH! |
| 23:20.09 | melete | I _do_ detest automatic responders |
| 23:20.16 | warmi_away | wtf is going on here ? |
| 23:20.37 | warmi_away | ah George is back ... |
| 23:21.01 | Cam_ | ibot: nickometer lame |
| 23:21.01 | | 'lame' is 62.000% lame, cam_ |
| 23:21.13 | Cam_ | surely some mistake |
| 23:21.15 | sheenmaster | ibot: nickometer zaurus |
| 23:21.15 | | 'zaurus' is 0.000% lame, sheenmaster |
| 23:21.32 | Cam_ | ibot: nickometer lame_nickometer |
| 23:21.32 | | 'lame_nickometer' is 69.000% lame, cam_ |
| 23:21.45 | Cam_ | ibot: nickometer lame_lame_nickometer |
| 23:21.45 | | 'lame_lame_nickometer' is 81.000% lame, cam_ |
| 23:21.50 | Cam_ | oh what fun |
| 23:22.00 | Cam_ | ibot: nickometer lame_lame_ibot_nickometer |
| 23:22.00 | | 'lame_lame_ibot_nickometer' is 96.160% lame, cam_ |
| 23:22.21 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.21 | | '------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------' is 99.997% lame, w8tvi |
| 23:22.21 | W8TVI | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 23:22.33 | W8TVI | lol |
| 23:23.21 | Cam_ | ibot: nickometer lame |
| 23:23.21 | | 'lame' is 62.000% lame, cam_ |
| 23:23.23 | Cam_ | ibot: nickometer lamer |
| 23:23.23 | | 'lamer' is 62.000% lame, cam_ |
| 23:23.25 | Cam_ | ibot: nickometer lamest |
| 23:23.25 | | 'lamest' is 62.000% lame, cam_ |
| 23:24.35 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.35 | | 'lame_lame-lame-<(lame)>-lame_lame-LAME' is 99.9648% lame, w8tvi |
| 23:24.54 | Cam_ | ibot: nickometer 14m3 |
| 23:24.54 | | '14m3' is 56.000% lame, cam_ |
| 23:25.35 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.35 | | 'w8tvi' is 22.000% lame, w8tvi |
| 23:26.07 | Cam_ | ibot: nickometer lamé |
| 23:26.07 | | 'lamé' is 14.000% lame, cam_ |
| 23:28.11 | Cam_ | Well I think I will get an 860 - thanks for the info absentia |
| 23:29.27 | Cam_ | I wonder if it will live up to my 1980s technology Psion 3 |
| 23:29.36 | absentia | you're welcome |
| 23:29.46 | absentia | what do you want to do with it? |
| 23:29.50 | absentia | have you see www.cacko.biz? |
| 23:29.52 | absentia | zaurus.spy.org |
| 23:29.53 | absentia | etc |
| 23:30.03 | Cam_ | I'll have to look |
| 23:30.09 | George- | ibot nickometer ibotsucks |
| 23:30.09 | | 'ibotsucks' is 0.000% lame, george- |
| 23:31.15 | W8TVI | ibot nickometer ibot |
| 23:31.15 | | 'ibot' is 0.000% lame, w8tvi |
| 23:31.21 | W8TVI | ibot nickometer jbot |
| 23:31.21 | | 'jbot' is 0.000% lame, w8tvi |
| 23:31.22 | Cam_ | I just was thinking that my home PC is not as good at doing some things as my Psion 3 used to be. It came with an outlining word processor, and graphing spreadsheet. It could even be set up to print address labels etc |
| 23:31.31 | W8TVI | ibot nickometer kergoth |
| 23:31.31 | | 'kergoth' is 0.000% lame, w8tvi |
| 23:32.47 | Cam_ | I like the look of cacko. I wanted to do some X based stuff |
| 23:38.18 | Captain-Obvious | ibot nickometer |
| 23:38.19 | | wish i knew, Captain-Obvious |
| 23:38.37 | Captain-Obvious | ibot nickometer Captain-Obvious |
| 23:38.37 | | 'Captain-Obvious' is 0.000% lame, captain-obvious |
| 23:38.52 | Captain-Obvious | cool |
| 23:38.58 | Captain-Obvious | I'm not lame |
| 23:41.53 | absentia | anyone know what the numbers mean in the ts calibration files? |
| 23:41.58 | absentia | I can't get my calibration to work |
| 23:42.03 | absentia | I want to manually adjust the numbers. |
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| 23:55.32 | Jo | Hi. |
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