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| 00:12.02 | MG_Tak | nice |
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| 00:18.09 | imk | yep |
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| 00:37.57 | vvff | offroadgeek: ping? |
| 00:42.59 | MG_Tak | pong |
| 00:44.00 | vvff | MG_Tak: are you offroadgeek in disguise or somewhat like that? ;-) |
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| 00:45.03 | MG_Tak | vvff: no, just a victim of a bad router. :) |
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| 01:36.06 | absentia | re |
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| 01:57.00 | rev | yo yo yo |
| 01:57.04 | rev | treke|home: wassup |
| 02:05.57 | vvff | offroadgeek: ping? |
| 02:08.29 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek> you there man? |
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| 02:11.16 | rev | uff |
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| 02:15.41 | rev | heh |
| 02:15.45 | rev | having some issues gerry? |
| 02:15.50 | rev | i should install emacs one of these days |
| 02:15.51 | vvff | Looks like... |
| 02:15.58 | rev | and run erc my usual irc client |
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| 02:56.09 | absentia | wow |
| 02:56.13 | absentia | when I cross my legs, my wifi drops |
| 02:59.37 | vvff | absentia: :-D |
| 03:08.39 | offroadgeek | allo |
| 03:08.46 | absentia | hello |
| 03:09.00 | absentia | ok, I think I found my favorite wiki .. mozile :- |
| 03:09.00 | absentia | ) |
| 03:09.05 | offroadgeek | quick question... does anyone run a windows box with netmeeting? |
| 03:09.16 | absentia | not anymore |
| 03:09.19 | offroadgeek | client |
| 03:09.34 | offroadgeek | I'm doing the drawing tonight... and I have two options |
| 03:09.40 | Reddog-[Away] | i could, if needed |
| 03:10.20 | offroadgeek | since I can't find a site to do the webcam thing, I have my work laptop at home... (win2k with netmeeting) |
| 03:10.38 | offroadgeek | I could ask a couple people to join me there as witnesses to the drawing |
| 03:10.44 | offroadgeek | OR... |
| 03:10.58 | offroadgeek | I could use my little video cam to record the drawing..... |
| 03:11.18 | offroadgeek | then post the video on the website as proof that I was honest |
| 03:12.33 | offroadgeek | any feedback? |
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| 03:13.47 | offroadgeek | hello vvff |
| 03:14.37 | vvff | offroadgeek: hi. drawing? ;-) |
| 03:15.06 | offroadgeek | I was just actually writing about that |
| 03:15.14 | offroadgeek | I have two options |
| 03:15.35 | offroadgeek | online with netmeeting or recording it with my video cam and posting the video on the site |
| 03:15.37 | vvff | offroadgeek: oh, cool... |
| 03:16.03 | offroadgeek | no... I haven't posted anything yet... |
| 03:16.24 | offroadgeek | I need to hold the drawing now, but I need to know if people will connect to netmeeting to be witnesses? |
| 03:16.52 | vvff | Well, I will... but that probably doesn't really count, seen I'm in it. |
| 03:17.59 | offroadgeek | Reddog-[Away]: you still up for it? |
| 03:18.25 | offroadgeek | personally I don't like being in front of a camera, let alone posting it on the site :) |
| 03:20.40 | offroadgeek | silence.... |
| 03:21.32 | vvff | I'll be right back, again... |
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| 03:29.06 | offroadgeek | lol |
| 03:29.33 | vvff | offroadgeek: looks like I can't show up... I'm stuck connecting over a stupid http proxy that netmeeting doesn't work over... |
| 03:29.44 | offroadgeek | since I got silence... I'm going to just to the video... |
| 03:29.47 | offroadgeek | back in a few |
| 03:29.57 | offroadgeek | vvff: cross your fingers! |
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| 03:41.41 | offroadgeek | ok... it's done |
| 03:42.00 | vvff | Who? |
| 03:42.03 | vvff | Whowhowhowhowho? |
| 03:42.06 | vvff | :-D |
| 03:42.12 | absentia | whowunnit? |
| 03:42.28 | vvff | absentia: exactly... ;-) |
| 03:42.53 | offroadgeek | sorry vvff... |
| 03:43.05 | offroadgeek | jmurff won the zaurus, and corky won the ambicom modem |
| 03:43.09 | vvff | Oh well... |
| 03:43.16 | vvff | Who got 'em? |
| 03:43.25 | offroadgeek | I'm uploading the video to my server now |
| 03:43.42 | offroadgeek | vvff: ? |
| 03:43.43 | vvff | Good for them... |
| 03:43.47 | absentia | nice |
| 03:43.54 | offroadgeek | nm... latency |
| 03:43.54 | vvff | Bleh... Oh well... |
| 03:43.56 | vvff | Tell me next time you have a contest... ;-) |
| 03:44.15 | offroadgeek | would you like a free sharp serial cable? |
| 03:44.36 | vvff | offroadgeek: sure... |
| 03:45.19 | offroadgeek | ok... email me your address and I'll ship it to you... with another small gift |
| 03:46.20 | vvff | ok, jas... |
| 03:47.23 | offroadgeek | which email addy you sending it to? |
| 03:48.27 | W8TVI | offroadgeek: a zaurus connector? |
| 03:48.40 | vvff | offroadgeek: docs@zaurususergroup.com |
| 03:48.59 | vvff | Bleh stupid thing failed... |
| 03:49.09 | offroadgeek | vvff: sorry, can you send it to michael at offroadgeek dot com? |
| 03:49.13 | Reddog | mmm.. zaurus connectors |
| 03:49.23 | offroadgeek | i shut down the docs email... during the server move |
| 03:49.33 | vvff | offroadgeek: oh, sure... |
| 03:49.39 | offroadgeek | W8TVI: not the little black thingies... a serial cable |
| 03:49.56 | offroadgeek | I do have some of those black connectors if anyone wants some |
| 03:50.02 | W8TVI | "with another small gift" |
| 03:50.05 | vvff | What are they? |
| 03:50.26 | offroadgeek | W8TVI: I already know you want a couple of them |
| 03:50.40 | offroadgeek | the "other small gift" is a Sharp / Java coffee mug |
| 03:50.50 | W8TVI | ah |
| 03:50.52 | vvff | Cool. |
| 03:51.13 | vvff | offroadgeek: ok, in the words of everyones least favorite company, "You have mail!" |
| 03:51.23 | Reddog | offroadgeek: a Serial IO brand serial cable, or a real sharp one? |
| 03:51.36 | vvff | Actually, that would be third least favorite now... |
| 03:51.40 | W8TVI | I want to use my zaurus as a terminal for my TNC |
| 03:51.46 | vvff | After Micro$oft and SCO. |
| 03:52.06 | offroadgeek | yes, I do have mail... thanks |
| 03:52.20 | vvff | So what are the little black thingies? |
| 03:52.27 | offroadgeek | good... you're in the US... that'll save me a few bucks :) |
| 03:52.45 | offroadgeek | not sure exactly... they connectors of some sort... |
| 03:52.56 | W8TVI | offroadgeek: what did it cost to send the 5600? |
| 03:53.05 | offroadgeek | kergoth explained what they could be used for once before... |
| 03:53.21 | offroadgeek | about $30 |
| 03:53.31 | offroadgeek | but I sent it via the cheap intl method |
| 03:53.42 | W8TVI | heh |
| 03:53.42 | vvff | offroadgeek: hey, send me a couple... I like toys... ;-) |
| 03:53.49 | offroadgeek | OK... |
| 03:54.11 | offroadgeek | it was about $60 for all the shipping for the 3 Zs |
| 03:54.18 | Reddog | blah.. darn people sending out free connectors :P |
| 03:54.37 | offroadgeek | sorry... are you selling them? |
| 03:55.02 | Reddog | not personally, but the company I work for is |
| 03:55.08 | vvff | Reddog: what exactly are they? |
| 03:55.08 | offroadgeek | ah... |
| 03:55.43 | offroadgeek | maybe I should just send you all of them, and you can sell them to W8TVI and vvff! |
| 03:56.02 | Reddog | vvff: their the same connector that the docking station provides, the Serial I/O connector.. |
| 03:56.14 | vvff | :-D Nah, I'm a *broke* geek... ;-) |
| 03:56.14 | Reddog | it has serial, usb, and power lines in it |
| 03:56.23 | Reddog | offroadgeek: nah, we just got 100 in stock |
| 03:56.33 | vvff | Reddog: ahh, ok... neat. |
| 03:56.41 | offroadgeek | just kidding... |
| 03:57.04 | offroadgeek | I'm just trying to give away the few that I have... I have no interest in selling them |
| 03:57.17 | vvff | Reddog: schweet, I'm gonna make myself a powered usb cable... |
| 03:57.23 | Reddog | take alook here, for more information: --> http://www.fivestarassoc.com/Z/ |
| 03:57.58 | Reddog | vvff: need to remember that the Z has no USB host support |
| 03:58.37 | vvff | Reddog: no, for connecting the z to my comp... With power, and with use of the keyboard... |
| 03:58.45 | vvff | Shouldn't be that awfully hard... |
| 03:58.56 | vvff | offroadgeek: yeah, send me several... I might mess up... ;-) |
| 03:59.01 | Reddog | vvff: have you used a soldering iron before? |
| 03:59.35 | vvff | Reddog: oh yes. |
| 03:59.38 | offroadgeek | W8TVI: would you mind sending me your address again? I lost it with the server move... |
| 03:59.45 | vvff | Reddog: I ain't that good at it, but I can do ok... |
| 03:59.50 | W8TVI | k |
| 04:00.00 | offroadgeek | you have my other email addy? |
| 04:00.05 | W8TVI | yep |
| 04:00.07 | W8TVI | thanks :) |
| 04:00.27 | offroadgeek | no prob |
| 04:00.59 | Reddog | vvff: ok, cause the Z connectors have quite tiny pins to solder to, and i do know someone that melted a pin on a connector, and messed up the mating connector on their Z when they plugged it in |
| 04:01.23 | vvff | Reddog: hmm... I'll be vewy vewy carefull... |
| 04:01.32 | Reddog | ok :) |
| 04:01.44 | W8TVI | offroadgeek: may I have two? :-) |
| 04:02.05 | offroadgeek | no! you'll get three! |
| 04:02.12 | absentia | h0h0h0 |
| 04:02.14 | W8TVI | darn... ;) |
| 04:02.51 | vvff | offroadgeek: actually, gimme as many as you want... I'm starting to have ideas... ;-) |
| 04:02.52 | offroadgeek | no soup for you! |
| 04:03.11 | Reddog | they also work quite well to make custom Z to GPS cables |
| 04:03.33 | vvff | Cool... Now if only I could afford a GPS... ;-) |
| 04:04.04 | W8TVI | now I can get a cable off ebay |
| 04:04.07 | Reddog | W8TVI: what brand GPS? |
| 04:04.14 | W8TVI | garmin |
| 04:04.19 | W8TVI | gps 12xl |
| 04:04.54 | Reddog | did it come with a GPS to serial cable? |
| 04:04.59 | W8TVI | nope |
| 04:05.13 | vvff | Anyway... thanks offroadgeek |
| 04:05.16 | Reddog | bah |
| 04:05.45 | offroadgeek | no problem... happy to help out where I can |
| 04:06.02 | W8TVI | offroadgeek: can't beat free :) |
| 04:06.18 | offroadgeek | my garmin came with a serial cable :) |
| 04:06.30 | W8TVI | one for each of my zaurii... even the dead one |
| 04:06.36 | vvff | Anybody know where I can find a schematic for the zaurus' connector? |
| 04:06.44 | Reddog | W8TVI: so, buy a Garmin to serial cable on ebay, then chop off the serial end, and put on a Z connector :) |
| 04:07.06 | W8TVI | Reddog: I can get a serial cable that doesn't have the end on it |
| 04:07.09 | Reddog | vvff: one sec |
| 04:07.20 | Reddog | W8TVI: that works even better |
| 04:07.40 | W8TVI | I'm tempted to get the serial cable too |
| 04:07.48 | offroadgeek | you can see the video here: http://www.zaurususergroup.com/downloads/zug_drawing.asf |
| 04:08.13 | Reddog | asf.. icky M$ format |
| 04:08.49 | offroadgeek | I know.. it's the only format that the panasonic sv-av30 records in... kinda sucks |
| 04:09.14 | offroadgeek | but it works *really* well with my 760... just pop the sd card in, and I can watch the videos there :) |
| 04:09.16 | Reddog | ah |
| 04:10.20 | offroadgeek | it works really well when I go offroading.. don't need to carry any major equipment |
| 04:11.14 | Reddog | right |
| 04:11.28 | Reddog | what type car mount you got for your Z? |
| 04:12.02 | offroadgeek | none... it's usually in my center console... |
| 04:12.15 | Reddog | doesn't bounce around? |
| 04:12.35 | offroadgeek | a little.. but it's always in it's case... or my backpack... |
| 04:12.56 | offroadgeek | it's just too dusty/dirty with the top off the jeep to keep the Z out |
| 04:13.01 | Reddog | hmm |
| 04:13.08 | Reddog | ah, right |
| 04:13.29 | Reddog | i've been looking for some type of arm i can put my Z on |
| 04:13.38 | Reddog | i already have my GPS mounted |
| 04:13.59 | offroadgeek | do you have a case with a belt clip? |
| 04:14.14 | Reddog | nope |
| 04:14.47 | offroadgeek | my garmin rino has a very nic car mount... and it fits the piel frama belt clip |
| 04:15.20 | Reddog | vvff: http://www.zaurus.com/dev/support/downloads/sio.zip <-- you may need to have a developer login (free reg) to download that.. but that's the Z serial pinout |
| 04:15.33 | chouimat | night |
| 04:15.37 | offroadgeek | night |
| 04:15.42 | vvff | Cool. |
| 04:15.54 | Reddog | night |
| 04:15.59 | absentia | hmmm. |
| 04:16.01 | vvff | thanx Reddog |
| 04:16.13 | absentia | still can't decide what i want to do to allow me to edit my web content emotely. |
| 04:16.45 | vvff | Nope, no login required... But I have one anyway... |
| 04:17.25 | Reddog | ok |
| 04:17.53 | offroadgeek | absentia: what do you mean? |
| 04:20.21 | vvff | absentia: should that be *r*emotely? |
| 04:20.35 | absentia | yes |
| 04:20.41 | absentia | well |
| 04:20.44 | absentia | I was looking into wikis |
| 04:20.49 | absentia | and then I came across mozile |
| 04:21.02 | W8TVI | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3060295292&category=38331 |
| 04:21.13 | absentia | but mozile seems like what i want.. but it's slow.. and I can't seem to figure out how to makeit save |
| 04:21.27 | absentia | so, now I'm thinking.. what's the smallest wiki there is? |
| 04:21.36 | absentia | I still can't find the javascript <p> editor that I found once |
| 04:21.39 | absentia | I wish I could find that again. |
| 04:22.29 | offroadgeek | why the need for a small wiki? |
| 04:22.45 | vvff | Hmm, I could also make a simple little charge cable for my Z... |
| 04:22.57 | absentia | 'cuz I don't need a large one! |
| 04:23.04 | absentia | I will keep looking until I find the javascript one. |
| 04:23.07 | absentia | it was the best |
| 04:23.08 | offroadgeek | ahh... |
| 04:23.21 | Reddog | vvff: lotsa possibilities |
| 04:23.22 | absentia | just allowed you to edit the <p> to </p> ... nothing else |
| 04:23.24 | absentia | but it was inline |
| 04:23.26 | offroadgeek | tikiwiki isn't bad |
| 04:23.38 | absentia | I used twiki ... it's a behemoth |
| 04:23.44 | offroadgeek | ah |
| 04:23.45 | absentia | and I looked into moinmoin tonight |
| 04:23.47 | absentia | I have it running... |
| 04:23.49 | absentia | not too bad. |
| 04:23.52 | absentia | but still... large. |
| 04:24.18 | vvff | Reddog: about how long can you effectively make a usb cable? |
| 04:24.34 | offroadgeek | apparently in this case... size *does* matter |
| 04:24.37 | vvff | Could you do, like, 50 feet? |
| 04:24.38 | Reddog | hmm |
| 04:25.17 | Reddog | size does not matter, technique matters. |
| 04:25.23 | offroadgeek | lol |
| 04:25.32 | Reddog | ... FACTS FROM THE SPEC â?¢ The USB 1.0 Spec contains a cable length limit of 5 meters, |
| 04:25.33 | Reddog | a cable delay spec of 30ns and a supply voltage minimum at any USB socket ... |
| 04:25.33 | Reddog | www.usb.org/developers/whitepapers/cablew~1.pdf - Similar pages |
| 04:25.40 | absentia | I used it to write (probably) the smallest Wiki in the world: it consists of a file containing a single screenful of PHP3 code. Go see it at: |
| 04:25.40 | absentia | http://pcrm.win.tue.nl/~stephan/wiki.php3 |
| 04:25.40 | absentia | -- StephanHouben |
| 04:25.58 | Reddog | vvff: you need to learn to google :) |
| 04:26.20 | vvff | Reddog: ok, ok... You just seemed to be a hardware geek, so... |
| 04:26.54 | vvff | How 'bout 2.0 or 1.1... J/K... I'll find out... |
| 04:26.55 | Reddog | yeah, i am.. but i like people to be able to look up some things on their own |
| 04:27.14 | vvff | Sure... Telling me if I'm being a stupid idiot, will you guys? ;-) |
| 04:27.34 | vvff | Well, I'm going to try to get myconnection to work *properly* again... |
| 04:27.34 | Reddog | lol, doesn't matter anyways.. since the Z (5xxx, others?) are USB 1 |
| 04:28.01 | vvff | Reddog: but if you plug it into a usb2 port, can't you have a longer cable then? |
| 04:28.23 | Reddog | no clue |
| 04:28.32 | Reddog | i would assume not though |
| 04:28.38 | vvff | Ok... |
| 04:28.44 | vvff | Well, I'll go rtbs |
| 04:28.46 | vvff | Bye. |
| 04:30.18 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.19 | absentia | just 23 lines of code. |
| 04:31.03 | absentia | SCORE! |
| 04:31.05 | absentia | http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ShortestWikiContest |
| 04:31.08 | absentia | hahaha |
| 04:31.28 | Reddog | heh |
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| 05:01.52 | Reddog | yay |
| 05:01.59 | vvff | :-D |
| 05:02.19 | Reddog | night all |
| 05:02.47 | vvff | night Reddog-[Away] |
| 05:04.12 | vvff | kergoth: did you say something a fair while back about something usefull you can do with those little black zaurus connector thingies? ;-) |
| 05:04.49 | vvff | Is the zaurus usb 1.0 or 1.1? |
| 05:06.49 | offroadgeek | yeah, I heard kergoth say that he wanted a couple... |
| 05:07.10 | offroadgeek | I told him to email me his address and I'd ship him a few... haven't heard anything |
| 05:07.54 | vvff | boy, how many do you have? ;-) |
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| 05:14.43 | rev | hey |
| 05:17.37 | treke|home | yo rev |
| 05:18.16 | offroadgeek | just a few ;) |
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| 05:32.07 | vvff | offroadgeek: few as in 4 or 5 or few as in 40 or 50? ;-) |
| 05:33.16 | offroadgeek | about 30 or so |
| 05:33.48 | kergoth | oh yeah, forgot about that |
| 05:33.50 | kergoth | whats your email addy again? |
| 05:34.05 | offroadgeek | michael@offroadgeek.com |
| 05:34.15 | offroadgeek | I actually emailed you today about something else... |
| 05:34.51 | vvff | kergoth: didn't you explain a while back how to do something useful with them? ;-) |
| 05:35.22 | kergoth | well your options are limited by what the pins on the sharp i/o connector are |
| 05:35.27 | kergoth | you've got serial, usb, and jtag as options |
| 05:35.42 | vvff | ibot jtag |
| 05:35.43 | | from memory, jtag is a method of reflashing bricked devices. it stands for "joint test access group", if joshua_ remembers correctly. the method used is called "boundary scan" over a parallel port. it works by sending commands to twiddle individual pins on the CPU. LART JTAG info can be found at http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/projects/jtag/ . |
| 05:36.03 | kergoth | personally i'd like to throw together a jtag adapter or two so i can play with updating our bootloader without having to send it back to sharp if i toast it |
| 05:37.59 | kergoth | offroadgeek: k, email sent |
| 05:39.08 | vvff | kergoth: is the z's usb port on a 5x00 usb 1.0 or 1.1? |
| 05:39.55 | kergoth | 1.0 as far as i'm aware. look up info on the udc on the intel sa1100 chip |
| 05:49.02 | vvff | offroadgeek: hey... while your sending me stuff... ;-) You wouldn't have any extra styluses, would you? ;-) |
| 05:49.53 | treke|home | rev: you ever tried ion out on the osx X server? |
| 05:49.57 | treke|home | wonder how it would react |
| 05:50.06 | rev | i think so yeah |
| 05:50.13 | rev | nothing odd |
| 05:50.34 | rev | behavior would depend on which X server you mean |
| 05:50.47 | rev | but i'm guessing you mean the newest X server that ships with OS X |
| 05:50.49 | rev | in which case |
| 05:51.09 | rev | IIRC, if i ran it in rootless mode i couldn't make out the window title bar |
| 05:51.15 | rev | (heh, for some reason i wrote wintoe, wtf) |
| 05:51.16 | treke|home | hehe |
| 05:51.29 | rev | because the real menu bar is over it |
| 05:51.35 | rev | but other than that, no problems at all |
| 05:51.46 | rev | for me i kind of preferred that, with what i was doing |
| 05:51.50 | rev | because of the apps i was running |
| 05:51.58 | rev | it doesn't get along or not get along |
| 05:51.58 | rev | i mean |
| 05:52.04 | rev | it's like running an X server on windows or something |
| 05:52.10 | rev | well, not quite |
| 05:52.12 | rev | well |
| 05:52.13 | rev | yeah it is |
| 05:52.16 | treke|home | I've been avoiding using this thing because It's so erm, alien :p |
| 05:52.23 | rev | your new mac? |
| 05:52.27 | rev | but if you run ion, all of your ion windows is only one window |
| 05:52.36 | rev | unlike if you were using windowmaker, pwm or something |
| 05:53.05 | vvff | ion is a cool idea, but hard to get used to... |
| 05:53.40 | rev | i love ion man |
| 05:53.56 | rev | i love how it makes computing on unix less work |
| 05:54.00 | rev | er |
| 05:54.07 | rev | computing on x-based unices |
| 05:54.20 | rev | and anything which makes my work less on x-based unices are always appreciated |
| 05:54.25 | vvff | :-D |
| 05:54.49 | vvff | Use the console, luke. |
| 05:54.55 | rev | heh |
| 05:54.59 | rev | i wish screen were better |
| 05:55.04 | treke|home | rev: Well it's always seemed simpler than anything :) |
| 05:55.12 | rev | lately for a wanna-be ion in console, i just use emacs |
| 05:55.16 | treke|home | though most X window managers seem easier to me than windows window manager |
| 05:55.20 | rev | but sometimes the terminal emu gets fucked up there |
| 05:55.36 | rev | that depends on the x window manager for me |
| 05:55.39 | treke|home | the problem is it's tough to change the way you work to use the mac then change back when I get to my desktops |
| 05:55.42 | rev | a lot are a ton more work than windows WM |
| 05:55.51 | rev | but ion is like the least amount of work compared to anything else i've used |
| 05:55.59 | rev | after you get used to it, of course |
| 05:56.17 | treke|home | dunno, everything from blackbox -> enlightnment -> sawfish -> windowmaker all behave more or less the same to me |
| 05:56.30 | kergoth | arg, i hate apps that use PATH_MAX but dont include sys/param.h or linux/limits.h |
| 05:56.33 | kergoth | fuckers |
| 05:56.35 | vvff | well... I'll go with inefficiency for right now... Maybe sometime when I have nothing to do for a week or so... ;-) |
| 05:57.18 | treke|home | rev: The biggest thing for me is the window shading |
| 05:57.36 | treke|home | don't know why I prefer it to minimizing, but for some reason it's simpler for me to grasp |
| 05:58.10 | kergoth | i cant stand minimizing. i prefer to just open a new workspace and leave everything up |
| 05:58.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:58.52 | vvff | speaking of which, expose on the mac is sorta cool. |
| 06:00.35 | rev | mmhmm |
| 06:00.43 | rev | i used to prefer minimizing |
| 06:00.44 | rev | er |
| 06:00.45 | rev | i mean |
| 06:00.47 | rev | window shading |
| 06:00.49 | rev | but these days |
| 06:01.04 | rev | i am indifferent |
| 06:01.45 | rev | for me what is more important than minimizing vs window shading, is being able to "hide" the entire app instead of just minimize or window shade one window |
| 06:02.15 | rev | which WIndowMaker manages OK |
| 06:02.27 | rev | and i was bummed to find OS X dropped the concept of group by app |
| 06:02.33 | rev | in window management policies that is |
| 06:02.36 | treke|home | I think the reason for me is that when I'm minimizing, it's generally just to glance at what's below it |
| 06:02.41 | rev | er |
| 06:02.44 | rev | i'm full of shit |
| 06:02.45 | rev | OS X does that |
| 06:02.49 | rev | if i cmd-h the whole app dis apears |
| 06:02.51 | rev | and i prefer that a ton |
| 06:03.01 | treke|home | so with minizing I have to hide the app then move over to the taskbar/doc/iconbox to get the app back |
| 06:03.04 | rev | but i miss how OS 9 and under would bring forth the whole app if i clicked on one window of the app |
| 06:03.12 | rev | mmhmm |
| 06:03.25 | treke|home | in ion it's just ctl-k n ctl-k p |
| 06:03.28 | rev | in windows, i hate having the taskbar cluttered with so much shit, so many tiny IE windows usually |
| 06:03.29 | rev | yeah |
| 06:03.31 | vvff | rev: doesn't osx if you click on the app in the dock? |
| 06:03.34 | rev | not a big deal with tabbed window managers |
| 06:03.37 | rev | vvff: yes |
| 06:03.44 | rev | vvff: i was brainfarted for a minute |
| 06:03.52 | rev | vvff: i made an expose clone for my PDA OS |
| 06:04.03 | rev | vvff: rather for another operating environment in general... it was easy and fun :D |
| 06:04.04 | treke|home | rev: You know what made XP an even bigger mess? grouped taskbar |
| 06:04.07 | rev | yes |
| 06:04.10 | rev | that sucks ass |
| 06:04.11 | rev | see |
| 06:04.12 | treke|home | man that's a fucking broken feature |
| 06:04.16 | vvff | rev: cool. |
| 06:04.24 | vvff | treke|home: you can turn it off. |
| 06:04.27 | rev | it wouldn't be so bad if it always grouped or never did, but i hate how it turns it on in the middle of using it |
| 06:04.28 | rev | i mean |
| 06:04.30 | treke|home | vvff: I know |
| 06:04.47 | rev | i wouldn't mind it so bad if when it was turned on, all of my explorer, all of my putty windows, etc etc were ALWAYS grouped |
| 06:04.48 | rev | but nooooo |
| 06:04.52 | treke|home | I usually do when using a windows machinefor an extended period of time |
| 06:04.53 | rev | it only does it when i have a bunch of windows |
| 06:05.07 | rev | yeah |
| 06:05.10 | treke|home | not all putty windows belong in the same group |
| 06:05.12 | rev | mmhmm |
| 06:05.13 | rev | indeed |
| 06:05.16 | vvff | you might be able to do it like that with tweakxp, rev. |
| 06:05.21 | rev | maybe |
| 06:05.30 | rev | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.41 | rev | there is xp on one of the machines i work at one of my jobs |
| 06:05.50 | rev | but i can just use the dual 500 g4 there if i get annoyed |
| 06:06.04 | treke|home | same here. I just run into it when I use one of the other desktops at work besides mine :p\ |
| 06:06.08 | vvff | nor I. I just have to use it sometimes at school... |
| 06:06.19 | vvff | Sometimes all the g5s are in use... ;-) |
| 06:07.29 | rev | mmhmm |
| 06:07.34 | rev | you have g5s? bastard |
| 06:07.47 | treke|home | we have two g5s :p |
| 06:09.06 | W8TVI | if you beleave what apple says, out 206mhz zauriis are as fast as a 800mhz pentium |
| 06:09.50 | treke|home | only if you blindly assume the situations are equal |
| 06:10.29 | W8TVI | well thats what they want you to beleve |
| 06:10.36 | treke|home | No it isn't |
| 06:10.50 | treke|home | they want you to believe a 400mhz g3 is as fast as a 800mhz pentium |
| 06:10.52 | W8TVI | the mac zellots |
| 06:11.06 | treke|home | that's competely different than a strong arm and a pentium |
| 06:11.20 | W8TVI | the sa is a risc cpu |
| 06:11.27 | treke|home | so? |
| 06:11.37 | W8TVI | same type as the mac's |
| 06:11.43 | treke|home | amd also wants you to believe a 2ghz athlon is as fast a a 2.4 ghz p4 |
| 06:11.55 | treke|home | no... |
| 06:12.11 | Taim | argh.... |
| 06:12.14 | Taim | no music |
| 06:12.49 | W8TVI | and they want you to believe that the 64bit amd is as fast as a 3.4ghz intel |
| 06:12.57 | W8TVI | 2ghz amd |
| 06:13.30 | treke|home | W8TVI: RISC type of CPU design |
| 06:13.40 | treke|home | ( stretching back to his old architecture classes) |
| 06:13.48 | treke|home | W8TVI: They may be right, they may not be. |
| 06:14.35 | W8TVI | what I'm saying is the mac zellots want you to believe that becouse the mac's cpu is a risc cpu, its better/faster/whatever |
| 06:15.22 | W8TVI | see what I'm trying to get at? |
| 06:15.33 | treke|home | I've never heard that, just that the g4 is better/faster/whatever :p |
| 06:15.46 | treke|home | most mac zealots I've heard of think RISC is a board game |
| 06:16.20 | W8TVI | you've been reading the wrong fourms |
| 06:16.40 | treke|home | I havent been reading forums, I've been working around mac users :) |
| 06:17.12 | treke|home | you'd be hard pressed to find a pc using instructor or student there :p |
| 06:19.48 | rev | time to go to bed! THE WOMAN CALLS! |
| 06:20.05 | W8TVI | I haven't found a mac yet that has the specs I want |
| 06:20.10 | W8TVI | or can do what I wan |
| 06:20.22 | W8TVI | and the dumb eye candy |
| 06:20.38 | treke|home | short of the single mouse button and the keyboard, this powerbook is really nice |
| 06:21.02 | treke|home | I imagine most any g5 tower system would have fine hardware for my usage :p |
| 06:21.14 | treke|home | s/g5/g[345]/ |
| 06:21.54 | treke|home | of course, my hardware needs boil down to "keyboard, vga, and sound card" |
| 06:22.08 | W8TVI | I think its funny that I can plug my MS opical mouse (4 button with scroll) and it works on the mac |
| 06:23.09 | W8TVI | I wonder what moron at apple thinks that two buttons is beyond the ablity of thier users |
| 06:23.54 | treke|home | his last name rhymes with Jobs |
| 06:24.40 | W8TVI | our public library has a g3 (I think) tower in its computer center/public internet room |
| 06:24.59 | W8TVI | I dont mind using it but that stupid puck mouse sucks |
| 06:25.09 | treke|home | ugh, that puck mouse was evil |
| 06:25.16 | treke|home | even mac users didn't like it |
| 06:25.49 | W8TVI | I hope they fired that guy |
| 06:25.59 | treke|home | they did, but they brought him back |
| 06:26.08 | W8TVI | I like the idea of the ipod |
| 06:26.25 | W8TVI | but they need to get new people to name thier hardware |
| 06:26.28 | treke|home | kinda big though |
| 06:26.42 | W8TVI | no bigger than the sl-5500 |
| 06:26.56 | treke|home | it's a lot of pocket space dedicated to one thing |
| 06:27.21 | W8TVI | I like the look of the "airport" |
| 06:27.49 | W8TVI | it'd be good in a public place mounted on the celling |
| 06:28.43 | offroadgeek | night all' |
| 06:28.47 | W8TVI | and they go and take out the floppy drive out of the imac, and do give you a cd-rw |
| 06:28.51 | W8TVI | night offroadgeek |
| 06:29.00 | W8TVI | s/do/dont |
| 06:33.10 | W8TVI | treke|home: too bad apple wont make os x for x86 |
| 06:33.29 | treke|home | not particularly :) |
| 06:33.48 | treke|home | OS X beats XP, but I'm not a big fan |
| 06:33.55 | W8TVI | its a useable *NIX |
| 06:35.25 | W8TVI | did you hear about the next big thing intel? .9nm 1.2ghz FSB and 4GHZ clock |
| 06:35.47 | W8TVI | I think intel is trying to pull ahead from amd |
| 06:40.20 | W8TVI | treke|home: I still cant see spending $2000 for something that I can get for about $1000 in a pc laptop |
| 06:43.57 | treke|home | The keyboard could be really really nice if I ever get used to it |
| 06:43.59 | treke|home | fricken huge |
| 06:46.50 | W8TVI | treke|home: I'd like one of these: http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/featured_inspn3?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs |
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| 06:50.29 | treke|home | I imagine it has a battery life of about 10 minutes :p |
| 06:50.34 | W8TVI | heh |
| 06:51.37 | W8TVI | treke|home: see if it'll let you look at this one: http://ecomm.us.dell.com/dellstore/basket.asp?order_code=5150SAP&keycode=6V602&customer_id=19&itemtype=CFG |
| 06:55.11 | treke|home | nope |
| 06:55.17 | W8TVI | :( |
| 06:55.50 | W8TVI | hold on |
| 06:58.06 | W8TVI | making a text file on my website |
| 06:58.19 | treke|home | I still like my 900mhz celeron laptop :) |
| 06:59.21 | W8TVI | http://the-collective.net/~kb8sjt/zaurus/laptop.txt |
| 06:59.21 | treke|home | only problem is it requires heat shielding for the family jewels |
| 07:01.05 | W8TVI | our 1.8ghz celeron cools itself just fine |
| 07:01.13 | W8TVI | toshiba |
| 07:01.15 | W8TVI | :) |
| 07:01.28 | W8TVI | toshiba makes nice stuff |
| 07:04.19 | W8TVI | like the sg20 |
| 07:04.28 | treke|home | don like their keyboard |
| 07:05.13 | W8TVI | it takes a little be to get use it |
| 07:05.21 | W8TVI | to |
| 07:07.57 | treke|home | I mostly like my compaq |
| 07:08.05 | treke|home | linux support for it's acpi implementation needs work |
| 07:11.40 | W8TVI | the linux support for this laptop is reported to be very good |
| 07:11.58 | W8TVI | knoppix runs on it very nice |
| 07:13.24 | treke|home | everything else works fine |
| 07:13.26 | treke|home | just acpi |
| 07:13.43 | treke|home | though I havent tested firewire out |
| 07:13.49 | treke|home | just checked to see that linux saw it |
| 07:16.02 | ljp | hmmmpft. this sd card won't accept a fdisk write |
| 07:17.57 | ljp | who bought the sandisk POS anyway |
| 07:18.04 | ljp | s/the/this |
| 07:18.23 | W8TVI | treke: I'm having the hardest time finding info out about the fax-modem in the sg20 |
| 07:18.39 | treke|home | It's a lt80 iirc |
| 07:20.03 | W8TVI | its FCC ID doesn't show up in the database |
| 07:20.12 | W8TVI | Askey Computer Corp |
| 07:20.24 | W8TVI | and the chipset is an agere |
| 07:20.30 | treke|home | It's a lucent winmodem |
| 07:21.52 | treke|home | there is a binary only driver for it |
| 07:27.18 | W8TVI | that card must be a custom card for toshiab |
| 07:27.25 | W8TVI | toshiba |
| 07:28.05 | W8TVI | hah |
| 07:28.08 | W8TVI | Q5:I just purchased a new PCI modem card for my old PC, but its performance is not pretty good. Do I miss any important setting? |
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| 13:47.46 | weindorf | i know this is a zauras discussion group.. but could somebody tell me if there is a palm channel on irc? |
| 13:48.06 | weindorf | I bought a targus keyboard and handspring visor deluxe. |
| 13:48.34 | weindorf | and needed some advice on it. |
| 14:08.53 | absentia | morn' |
| 14:27.34 | n_flag | has anyone tried getting an SD wireless card to work on the Z? |
| 14:28.53 | absentia | SDIO won't work ? |
| 14:29.31 | n_flag | I haven't tried, just curious before I look into buying one |
| 14:30.13 | absentia | I was under the impression that they wouldn't be able to work. |
| 14:31.21 | n_flag | why is that? Is the slot specific for storage only? |
| 14:31.25 | Twiun | no, they can't, hardware limitation - Sharp saving pennies again |
| 14:31.36 | n_flag | ok |
| 14:32.11 | Twiun | someone's is/was tracing the ciruitry to see if that could be overcome |
| 14:32.21 | Twiun | s/ciruitry/circuitry/ |
| 14:33.09 | n_flag | cool, thanks |
| 14:33.27 | n_flag | I'd like to free up the CF slot for a camera |
| 14:33.39 | n_flag | I guess I'll see about getting a usb wireless adapter then |
| 14:33.56 | n_flag | ideally to stream images from the Z |
| 14:35.40 | absentia | picking up on our conversation of stupidity. |
| 14:35.44 | absentia | http://slashdot.org/articles/03/11/25/0014257.shtml?tid=103&tid=133&tid=186&tid=99 |
| 14:35.56 | absentia | L.A. county bans the use of the term "master/slave" ... |
| 14:36.09 | absentia | vendors are required to change the term(s) and remove them from literature. |
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| 14:42.50 | chuckr | Hello ... I'm still trying to get my 760 to wake up after an abortive atttempt at flashing. The instructions on the web are very strange |
| 14:43.43 | chuckr | there are references (incomplete, with no explanations at to why) asking you to use the 3rd option to reformat the flash after you flash. |
| 14:44.41 | chuckr | there are also some things asking you to hold down the "C" and "D" keys while you reboot. None of these explain what they do, and i'm getting to the point of wondering if I'm going to be reading about witch doctors next. |
| 14:45.33 | chuckr | I've done quite a bit of surfing, trying to gete a detailed explanation of the 760 keyboard, looks like it might not be there. |
| 14:45.49 | Pendalar | I don't have a c760 exactly but the flashing steps for a c760 is pretty long |
| 14:45.58 | Pendalar | I think C+D was for non c7x0 models |
| 14:46.15 | chuckr | do you know what they are, exactly? I sure would like to resurrect my zaurus |
| 14:46.17 | Pendalar | C+D+hard reset .. release all ... will flash on sl5x00 |
| 14:46.24 | Pendalar | sure lemme load up a website |
| 14:46.40 | chuckr | "hardreset", can you be more explicit, I have more than one definition for that |
| 14:46.50 | chuckr | ok website is ok |
| 14:47.07 | Pendalar | like I said I don't have the model sadly |
| 14:47.49 | chuckr | I am starting out a vacation in which I'd hoped to play with the Zaurus, looks like I'll be very lucky to get it working even minimally before I have to go back to work |
| 14:48.12 | chuckr | so much time getting the real sw working |
| 14:48.24 | Pendalar | heh it shouldn't be all that hard to bring it back |
| 14:48.33 | absentia | chuck: the reformat after flash is for sash rom |
| 14:48.43 | absentia | mine didn't work properly until I did that option. |
| 14:48.53 | absentia | I didn't do C+D |
| 14:49.04 | absentia | I don't think. |
| 14:49.26 | chuckr | I've done 5 flashes, in every case, it sits there after flashing and does absolutely noting at all, just says "rebooting" |
| 14:49.47 | absentia | the 760 is "ok" plus power on.... (after removing the battery, etc)..... then do the flast... then it's done, I did a remove battrey, ok+power on, then the format. |
| 14:49.51 | absentia | then it booted just fine. |
| 14:50.39 | absentia | I think mine may have done that |
| 14:50.45 | Pendalar | at OZ's website I go to faq and it says DB connection failure |
| 14:50.46 | absentia | I just turned it off after like 10 minutes. |
| 14:50.50 | Pendalar | so I'm having to look elsewhere |
| 14:50.59 | absentia | then I rebooted and it booted, but didn't work right |
| 14:51.07 | absentia | so I faslt again, same result... rebooted... |
| 14:51.18 | chuckr | the "ok plus power on" it means, add power (both the battery and the ext power) while holding down ok? |
| 14:51.19 | absentia | but then I went to look, and saw that you *had* to format after flashing.. and that fixed my device. |
| 14:51.31 | absentia | to me, I did: |
| 14:51.49 | absentia | flip the battery latch... to allow to remove the battery, this also seems to power off the device |
| 14:51.50 | chuckr | shouldn't it do *something* after flashing? |
| 14:51.58 | absentia | remove power |
| 14:52.00 | absentia | remove battery. |
| 14:52.05 | absentia | replace battery |
| 14:52.14 | absentia | replace power |
| 14:52.44 | absentia | slide the battery switch back to the on position. |
| 14:53.00 | chuckr | ok done keep going |
| 14:53.08 | absentia | press the silver lever button on the back, the one near the power circular button... hold it down. that's "ok" |
| 14:53.20 | absentia | press and release the power button.... |
| 14:53.32 | absentia | (at this point, it's probably ok to release the ok ) |
| 14:53.38 | absentia | the screen should come on with the flash menu. |
| 14:53.41 | absentia | release the "ok" button. |
| 14:53.44 | chuckr | ok 4 options screen up |
| 14:53.48 | absentia | right |
| 14:54.02 | absentia | flash is 4 then 3 (for cf?) ... and format is the third? on the first screen ? |
| 14:54.10 | absentia | don't quote me on that, I haven't flashed in two months... |
| 14:54.16 | absentia | there are pics at conics -- have you seen those? |
| 14:54.24 | chuckr | I think it's falsh is 4, reformat is 3 |
| 14:54.34 | absentia | right, flash is 4... but you go to the next screen |
| 14:54.39 | absentia | and "sd" is 4, cf is 3... |
| 14:54.44 | absentia | so I do "4" then "3" ... |
| 14:54.50 | absentia | after the flash, you have to get back to this menu |
| 14:54.51 | chuckr | I've seen them last night I nearly pulled a all nighter |
| 14:54.55 | absentia | and then choose option "3" .. on the first screen |
| 14:54.56 | absentia | then you're done. |
| 14:55.12 | absentia | with oz, you don't or didn't have to... do the option 3 on the first screen -- |
| 14:55.16 | chuckr | it's asking me Y/N, right? |
| 14:55.22 | absentia | but sash rom is more user-friendly for non-developers ... at this point. |
| 14:55.35 | absentia | did you choose option 3? |
| 14:55.42 | absentia | for format? |
| 14:55.48 | chuckr | yes |
| 14:56.00 | absentia | because the flash also asks you for y/n ... it also yells at you if you don't have power plugged in (before you get the y/n prompt). |
| 14:56.03 | absentia | ok, well, give it a shot. |
| 14:56.21 | absentia | as long as you have those menus there, you won't be hurting your z.... choosing 4/3 and/or 3.... |
| 14:56.37 | absentia | the format didn't take as long as the flash/reboot.... |
| 14:56.41 | absentia | it should be fairly quick.. |
| 14:56.43 | chuckr | lilke the past the screen goes immediately dark, how long should I wait? Did this once for an hourlong wait, no response |
| 14:57.06 | absentia | dunno |
| 14:57.08 | absentia | I gave mine 10 minutes. |
| 14:57.15 | absentia | I can't remember if it came back or not. |
| 14:57.16 | chuckr | then, do what? |
| 14:57.35 | absentia | well, if it didn't return, I pressed the power button... to tryt to boot, etc. |
| 14:57.49 | chuckr | this rebooted for you? |
| 14:57.53 | absentia | can't remember |
| 14:58.00 | absentia | I only flashed sash once. |
| 14:58.03 | absentia | I did oz like 6 times a night |
| 14:58.14 | absentia | you don't ... or didn't have to... do this step with oz. |
| 14:58.46 | chuckr | I've done quite a bit of flashing since last night, I think I've tried 2 of Sash's images, there's a X11 one |
| 14:59.21 | absentia | ya |
| 14:59.30 | absentia | I did... version 1.65 ... I think... and perhaps 1.70 |
| 14:59.41 | absentia | not sure... I only remember once... so I might have just done 1.17? 170? whatever the one is |
| 15:00.00 | chuckr | so, in say 15 minutes, I should just hit the power button and expect it should come alive? |
| 15:00.01 | absentia | I think I was gonna glash sash.. when it was 1.65, but by the time Igot to it, 1.70 was out. |
| 15:00.18 | absentia | well, ya... but it shouldn't take more than a minute or two to format flash.... |
| 15:00.21 | absentia | try it now |
| 15:00.25 | chuckr | ok |
| 15:00.25 | absentia | you can always start it again :-> |
| 15:00.43 | chuckr | yellow power light is on, but screen is determinedly dark |
| 15:00.51 | absentia | give it a sec |
| 15:01.16 | chuckr | the power button on the back, right? |
| 15:01.32 | absentia | ya |
| 15:02.03 | chuckr | damn these guys for having 2 OK buttons and having 2 power on switches |
| 15:02.41 | chuckr | if they worked exactly alike that'd be one thing, but if they don't they should be named differently |
| 15:03.04 | chuckr | still dark |
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| 15:03.15 | absentia | ok |
| 15:03.27 | absentia | I'd switch the battery switch and take out the battery |
| 15:03.28 | absentia | remove the power |
| 15:03.30 | absentia | replace the battery |
| 15:03.32 | absentia | replace the power |
| 15:03.34 | chuckr | if you're willing to work with me, I'm completely willing to experiment |
| 15:03.38 | absentia | switch the witch back and power on |
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| 15:03.50 | absentia | well, I'm no guru |
| 15:03.50 | chuckr | ok hold on one |
| 15:03.56 | absentia | I have just as much difficulty as you, if not more. |
| 15:04.08 | absentia | the first night when I tried to flash, it took me 2 hours to get to the flash menu! |
| 15:04.12 | absentia | because the instructions were not clear |
| 15:04.20 | absentia | (to me) |
| 15:04.29 | absentia | it as a race game.... |
| 15:04.42 | absentia | but the procedure I told you about above is what I ended up discovering and it works every time. |
| 15:04.45 | chuckr | ok power off, power back |
| 15:04.51 | Pendalar | either one of you try the full debian port for c7x0? |
| 15:04.58 | Pendalar | well I guess absentia I mean |
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| 15:05.38 | absentia | www.spy.org/zaurus/screenshots/scottyelich |
| 15:05.49 | chuckr | I tried hitting thw back panel on button, still dark screen |
| 15:06.04 | absentia | that's zdebian on the right, qtopia on the left, both running at the same time. |
| 15:06.23 | absentia | I even have a vnc inside the zdebian connecting to the qtopia OUTSIDE the zdebian... |
| 15:06.37 | Pendalar | so you like it better or? |
| 15:06.40 | chuckr | The single hopeful thingg is how reliably I can reflash. |
| 15:07.02 | absentia | I had a freebsd client onto the qtopia, a w2k ie java into it, and a freebsd vnc into it... I'd move the pointer and every screen in my apartment would move... it was strange... like circuity city tv display. |
| 15:07.24 | absentia | churck: ya, you should be able to flash away. |
| 15:07.46 | absentia | chuck: work on it a bit... try to get it to power on... the battery switch is in the "closed/lock" position -- right? |
| 15:07.50 | chuckr | ok .... nominate for me an image, any image ... might as well |
| 15:07.54 | absentia | sometimes I forget to slide it back and I think I killed my z |
| 15:08.03 | absentia | I suggest sash. |
| 15:08.11 | chuckr | that's the one I just did |
| 15:08.12 | absentia | are you sure your image is good? |
| 15:08.16 | absentia | have you tried both 1.65 and 1.70 ? |
| 15:08.22 | absentia | just to make sure ? |
| 15:08.24 | n_flag | is anyone aware of the differences between the LinkSys WCF11 and WCF12? |
| 15:08.30 | absentia | I have never flashed back AFTGER sash... so I can't help from that point on. |
| 15:08.31 | chuckr | not really, I guess I could go back and compare md5's |
| 15:08.55 | absentia | I have flashed from sharp to sash... (and perhaps oz?) .... and reflsahed sash (not sure?) |
| 15:09.06 | absentia | ok, I have another copy, if you want to try to dl it again. |
| 15:09.11 | chuckr | I'll go do that, might as well, nothing else is working |
| 15:09.14 | absentia | n: yes, they are different |
| 15:09.18 | absentia | I couldn't ever get my wcf12 to work. |
| 15:09.30 | chuckr | you want me to use your coppy? |
| 15:09.36 | absentia | other says that wcf11 works fine... and some have said that they could get their wcf12 to work.... |
| 15:09.44 | chuckr | I have the 760 understand, right? |
| 15:09.45 | absentia | I can't guarantee that my copy is any better |
| 15:09.51 | absentia | ya, I have 700 and 760 |
| 15:09.54 | absentia | my 760 is sash. |
| 15:09.57 | absentia | see the screenshots urls. |
| 15:09.58 | chuckr | did you get it to boot for you? |
| 15:10.04 | absentia | that's my 760 with sash and zdebian |
| 15:10.11 | absentia | yup |
| 15:10.14 | Pendalar | wcf11 is a *crap* wifi chip |
| 15:10.20 | chuckr | ok then I will be heaviily honored to use your image. |
| 15:10.41 | absentia | let me see... |
| 15:10.55 | n_flag | hm, differeing opinions then |
| 15:11.01 | n_flag | is there a wifi card that IS good then/ |
| 15:11.10 | absentia | I'll show yo my private stash |
| 15:11.13 | Pendalar | socket brand ;-) |
| 15:11.26 | Pendalar | more expensive but I've never seen anyone complain |
| 15:11.29 | absentia | www.spy.org/zaurus/private/ ... but the dir is blocked |
| 15:11.35 | absentia | so, go to www.spy.org/zaurus/private/i |
| 15:11.39 | absentia | i has links to ../alldirs |
| 15:11.40 | absentia | :-> |
| 15:11.52 | absentia | I like my dlink 660w |
| 15:11.58 | absentia | but others have said that theirs have died |
| 15:11.59 | ][eBerg | I wish we had an 802.11g cf card |
| 15:12.09 | absentia | also, the 660w is "larger" than the wcf.... stichking out the side. |
| 15:12.12 | chuckr | I'm there what subdir or image? |
| 15:12.33 | absentia | chuck: which kernel did you use? |
| 15:12.41 | absentia | sukoshi or cacko ? |
| 15:12.45 | chuckr | haven't grabbed anything from there yet |
| 15:12.57 | absentia | chuck did you go to private/i ... click on 760? |
| 15:12.59 | absentia | lotsa goodies :-) |
| 15:13.01 | chuckr | the one I already used was cacko |
| 15:13.12 | chuckr | 760 ... going now |
| 15:13.15 | absentia | well, you could try sukoshi kernel, too. |
| 15:13.32 | absentia | hmm, rom dir appears empty |
| 15:13.36 | Pendalar | heh I browse around and hit back, and I get a 'no' ;-) |
| 15:13.40 | chuckr | wow, lotsa chices, aren't there? |
| 15:13.43 | absentia | ya, top level. |
| 15:13.57 | chuckr | hmmm let me browse a minute or two |
| 15:14.00 | absentia | I don't like people roaming my sites. |
| 15:14.05 | absentia | people use to pound on it for HOURS |
| 15:14.13 | chuckr | ok, then pick two I'll dl both |
| 15:14.19 | absentia | of course, the method to get into my old site was to get a 404 page.. and look at the source for a hidden url... |
| 15:14.25 | absentia | so maybe I encouraged it. |
| 15:14.48 | chuckr | I wish you hadn't stuck it up on a public irc then, but I won't repeat it. |
| 15:15.02 | absentia | well, I'll see if anyone links to it |
| 15:15.04 | chuckr | I have this very quiet way with secrets |
| 15:15.04 | absentia | and I'll move it. |
| 15:15.11 | absentia | it's just that I don't have the rights to re-distribute things. |
| 15:15.16 | absentia | as a distributor. |
| 15:15.23 | absentia | I'm sure I can share... now and then. hence my post here. |
| 15:15.25 | chuckr | anyhow, let me go take a look, or suggest two images |
| 15:15.32 | absentia | but I don't want someone go to "wow! link here!" etc. |
| 15:15.41 | absentia | I'm trying to track down where I put the sash rom |
| 15:15.43 | absentia | :-/ |
| 15:15.58 | chuckr | this I understand, although my isp is very good to me |
| 15:16.22 | chuckr | speakeasy |
| 15:16.22 | absentia | ok |
| 15:16.29 | absentia | I see slc 1.8 on caco kiz |
| 15:16.31 | chuckr | whatcha got? |
| 15:16.33 | absentia | which version were you using ? |
| 15:16.41 | Pendalar | I looked I admit ;-) |
| 15:16.43 | chuckr | I don't recall. |
| 15:16.44 | absentia | I just went to check out the filenames... so I could search. |
| 15:16.47 | absentia | hold. |
| 15:16.59 | Pendalar | mostly for sl5500 stuff which you don't have much of that I haven't seen |
| 15:17.33 | absentia | ok |
| 15:17.34 | absentia | found it |
| 15:17.37 | absentia | it's under 7x0 not 760 |
| 15:17.46 | chuckr | cacko/kernel has a zImage |
| 15:17.53 | absentia | ya |
| 15:17.56 | absentia | go under 7x0 ... not 760 |
| 15:17.58 | absentia | it's there |
| 15:18.04 | chuckr | I don't know much about conics |
| 15:18.14 | chuckr | ok |
| 15:18.39 | absentia | I'm sucking down 1.18 now |
| 15:18.51 | chuckr | the rom180? |
| 15:19.01 | absentia | from cacko.biz/test321 |
| 15:19.06 | absentia | I have 165 and 117 on my site |
| 15:19.22 | absentia | hmm, the link to cacko is too slow. I'll have to try later. |
| 15:20.33 | chuckr | well, let me try any of the cacko ones, could you nominate one for me, these seem to be 3 |
| 15:20.34 | absentia | 1.5 1.7 SEC ping to cacko |
| 15:20.41 | absentia | yes |
| 15:20.43 | absentia | 117 |
| 15:21.22 | absentia | I have the same file there twce |
| 15:21.25 | absentia | slc7x0upd1.17.en.zip |
| 15:21.31 | absentia | slc7x0upd1.17.en.zip.cacko.rom |
| 15:21.38 | chuckr | one that ends with .zip. the other ends with .zip.cacko.rom, whic is the one? |
| 15:21.59 | chuckr | ok |
| 15:22.23 | absentia | I was trying to name files so I could find . | egrep -i rom | egrpe -i cacko... but forgot to remove anothe copy when I was merging dirs... so, they should both be the same. |
| 15:22.29 | absentia | they're both .zip |
| 15:22.37 | absentia | I just named the second one for easier locating. |
| 15:22.52 | absentia | ie: drop the cacko.com and you get his file/name. |
| 15:23.11 | absentia | I didn't want to make it slc.blah.blah.cacko.rom.zip ... because then I'd have to move the zip around... in the name. |
| 15:23.14 | chuckr | OK, I gotta go back to the cacko site because I forgot the unpacking instructions, why don't I read them and have breakfast, and come back to the irc in a while, ok? |
| 15:23.40 | chuckr | unless you want to do it all now, which I would do |
| 15:23.43 | absentia | I think it's just unip on the cf.... |
| 15:24.07 | absentia | anyway, I'd suggest getting the cacko kernel... and cacko rom... |
| 15:24.11 | absentia | flash both.. at the same time. |
| 15:24.12 | chuckr | ok I'm still dl'ing |
| 15:25.07 | absentia | from my site? |
| 15:25.10 | absentia | what xfer are you getting? |
| 15:25.21 | absentia | I ot 1.5MB a sec when I was on that site grabbing from the net. |
| 15:26.44 | chuckr | OK safari unpacked it for me (I hate that), but there's the dir with an update.sh and a initrc.bin, but no zImage.bin |
| 15:26.52 | absentia | slow going... only at 4% of the cacko rom from cacko.biz |
| 15:27.06 | absentia | initrd.bin ? |
| 15:27.15 | absentia | ya, zImage is the kernel |
| 15:27.17 | chuckr | do I need to choose a kernel (zImage)? |
| 15:27.18 | absentia | initrd is the rom |
| 15:27.21 | absentia | you can flash one or the other |
| 15:27.28 | chuckr | right but you need akernel, right? |
| 15:27.30 | absentia | I'd suggest, if your cf has room, to put a cacko kernel there too |
| 15:27.53 | chuckr | right ... now I choose again, where? |
| 15:27.57 | absentia | I think yo ucan flash just a kernel... I don't know if yo can flash just a rom :-> |
| 15:28.12 | absentia | my site, 760/cacko/kernel |
| 15:28.19 | chuckr | I think I should do both, I sertainly have the room |
| 15:28.32 | absentia | ok, cacko.biz/test321/kernels/760 |
| 15:28.36 | absentia | ya |
| 15:28.38 | absentia | do both. |
| 15:28.45 | absentia | last time, did you just flash the rom ? |
| 15:28.46 | absentia | :-> |
| 15:28.51 | chuckr | ok but where's the kernel? |
| 15:28.58 | absentia | ok, cacko.biz/test321/kernels/760 |
| 15:29.01 | absentia | my site, 760/cacko/kernel |
| 15:29.13 | chuckr | no I've always trie dto do both, afraid of what would happen with out of sync kernel and usespace |
| 15:29.20 | absentia | ah |
| 15:29.28 | absentia | I've used sukoshi kernel... on the 700 ... |
| 15:29.32 | absentia | with a few things. |
| 15:29.48 | absentia | I might even have it on my 760. Iforget if he has one. |
| 15:29.59 | absentia | did you see my zinfo page? www.spy.org/zaurus/zinfo.html |
| 15:30.03 | absentia | needs cleaning up... |
| 15:30.28 | chuckr | I was lookoing at that site of yours, there's no image there I can find, should I look elsewhere? |
| 15:30.36 | chuckr | gimme a minute |
| 15:30.56 | absentia | http://laurent.lieben.free.fr/ |
| 15:31.01 | absentia | ah, ya, sukoshi kernels for 760 there. |
| 15:31.10 | absentia | kernel ? |
| 15:31.23 | chuckr | gosh that's a nice site of links! |
| 15:31.35 | absentia | http://www.spy.org/zaurus/private/i/c760/cacko/kernel/ |
| 15:31.45 | absentia | like I said, it's under the 760, not 7x0 |
| 15:32.06 | absentia | that's why that area is "private" ... it's mostly just stuff I've thrown around... not too organized yet. |
| 15:32.36 | chuckr | gotit |
| 15:32.45 | chuckr | gimme a minute to transfer all this stuff |
| 15:34.46 | absentia | k |
| 15:39.26 | chuckr | just to make sure, it's zImage.bin or zImage? |
| 15:41.15 | chuckr | I think it's zImage.bin, I'm trying that now. |
| 15:44.37 | absentia | zImage.bin |
| 15:45.15 | chuckr | ok flash is done, I'm looking at the "Rebooting the system ..." screen now |
| 15:46.03 | chuckr | time to do that option 3 thing now? |
| 15:46.36 | chuckr | it's not doing anything of it's own (no circus tricks) |
| 15:47.14 | absentia | how long as it said rebooting? |
| 15:47.21 | absentia | did it go blank/black after it said that? |
| 15:47.44 | chuckr | no |
| 15:48.08 | chuckr | I just rebooted it and did the option 3 thing, it went black after that happened |
| 15:48.09 | absentia | strange... I've give it a minute or two... to see if it goes blank. |
| 15:48.11 | absentia | oh, ok, nevermind. |
| 15:48.12 | absentia | :-> |
| 15:48.17 | absentia | ok |
| 15:48.24 | absentia | so did it reboot after option 3? |
| 15:48.38 | chuckr | it went black .... |
| 15:48.42 | absentia | I mean |
| 15:48.45 | chuckr | reboot? I dunno |
| 15:48.45 | absentia | has it come BACK from being black |
| 15:48.46 | absentia | :-> |
| 15:48.48 | absentia | heheh |
| 15:48.49 | chuckr | no |
| 15:48.50 | absentia | ya, give it a minute or two |
| 15:48.52 | absentia | to do anything. |
| 15:48.58 | absentia | then reboot. |
| 15:49.36 | chuckr | I just love workking around without any vague smell of documentation. I get the feeling I should be sacrificing a chicken somewhere in this procedure ... |
| 15:49.46 | absentia | heheh |
| 15:49.51 | absentia | I think I said the EXACT SAME THING |
| 15:49.53 | absentia | last may/june |
| 15:50.01 | absentia | I swear... the EXACT same thing. |
| 15:50.14 | chuckr | ya know, I believe you! |
| 15:50.22 | chuckr | it's still dark |
| 15:50.52 | absentia | dunno |
| 15:51.02 | absentia | try to get it to boot... |
| 15:51.11 | absentia | just press the power |
| 15:51.13 | absentia | and release. |
| 15:51.16 | absentia | does it come on? |
| 15:51.17 | chuckr | maybe it's like the experience I had with the 5600, where it went brick on me, and I had to do a reset 8 consecutive timems to get it to awaken |
| 15:51.27 | absentia | if not, rip out the battery, power, then replace.. and power on. |
| 15:51.39 | absentia | strange |
| 15:51.45 | absentia | I've never had THAT much bad luck. |
| 15:51.48 | chuckr | lemme try that |
| 15:51.54 | absentia | although I did install windows over laplink, once. |
| 15:51.56 | absentia | took a few days. |
| 15:53.14 | chuckr | it's being very stubborn on me, still dark screen, the only screen I can see is the one on the way to flashing |
| 15:53.38 | absentia | strange. |
| 15:53.39 | absentia | ya. |
| 15:53.42 | chuckr | (my screen is dark, but I could call up the flashing screen, I mean) |
| 15:53.48 | absentia | I've never done a nand restore. |
| 15:53.51 | absentia | but you might try that. |
| 15:54.11 | absentia | I'm pretty sure what you just did is all that I did. |
| 15:54.12 | chuckr | I heard something about that, does your links page have a reference to it? |
| 15:54.16 | absentia | I can't remember about the rebooting and waiting... |
| 15:54.22 | absentia | I *might* have waited on one of them.... not sure. |
| 15:54.29 | absentia | yup |
| 15:55.09 | chuckr | I'm gonna go have breakfast and grouch a bit about it a while. I certainly (really) appreciate your help, VERY much! |
| 15:55.51 | absentia | 6 and 7th link under misc |
| 15:55.55 | absentia | the conics nand backup |
| 15:56.04 | absentia | (I have a copy of the files on my site, but I've never tried the procedure) |
| 15:56.11 | absentia | no problem |
| 15:56.17 | absentia | I know it's frustrating.. when you're in the position you're in |
| 15:56.30 | absentia | and even just someone to share in the grumbling.. or listen.. canmake the world of difference... |
| 15:56.42 | absentia | and, who knows, sometimes a second set of eyes can find the thing that you've long since glazed over. |
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| 15:56.47 | absentia | I'll be here when you return. |
| 16:05.08 | chuckr | I found out about the nand stuff, it's real, it's a HUGE dl, and I'm doing it. |
| 16:05.23 | chuckr | NOW to breakfast! |
| 16:05.34 | absentia | ya |
| 16:05.48 | absentia | it's huge |
| 16:20.58 | chouimat | morning |
| 16:21.07 | absentia | morning.... |
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| 18:38.15 | Luke-JrZ | ^^ |
| 18:38.41 | gerrynjr | Luke-JrZ, :-D |
| 18:38.45 | Luke-JrZ | so who uses NetFront often? |
| 18:38.53 | gerrynjr | netfront? |
| 18:38.56 | gerrynjr | wtf is that? |
| 18:38.57 | Luke-JrZ | web browser |
| 18:39.05 | Luke-JrZ | comes w/ z |
| 18:39.40 | Luke-JrZ | I turned off the menu to get more room |
| 18:39.51 | Luke-JrZ | but now i dunno how to get it back |
| 18:40.15 | gerrynjr | lmao |
| 18:40.18 | gerrynjr | RTFM? |
| 18:40.26 | Luke-JrZ | where |
| 18:40.45 | Luke-JrZ | Help menu hidden =p |
| 18:40.55 | rev|lib | i like netfront |
| 18:40.56 | rev|lib | but never use it |
| 18:41.05 | rev|lib | always use opera because it has good keyboard uspport |
| 18:41.16 | rev|lib | netfront doesn't, although i prefer it in some other ways |
| 18:41.17 | rev|lib | and |
| 18:41.20 | Luke-JrZ | help files dont work either |
| 18:41.23 | rev|lib | you can only have 5 tabs open in netfront |
| 18:41.25 | rev|lib | which blows |
| 18:41.30 | rev|lib | too few fer me |
| 18:41.33 | Luke-JrZ | yea |
| 18:41.45 | Luke-JrZ | where can I get Opera? |
| 18:42.05 | rev|lib | i downloaded it from tkc |
| 18:42.10 | rev|lib | an apps pack or some such |
| 18:42.12 | Luke-JrZ | tkc? |
| 18:42.21 | rev|lib | yup |
| 18:42.33 | Luke-JrZ | == ? |
| 18:42.41 | rev|lib | tkc == ? -> false |
| 18:44.13 | Luke-JrZ | only see 5x00 app pack |
| 18:44.18 | rev|lib | exactly |
| 18:44.27 | Luke-JrZ | it works on C7x0? |
| 18:45.00 | rev|lib | YES |
| 18:45.06 | rev|lib | THERE IS NO C7X0 SPECIFIC OPERA |
| 18:45.07 | rev|lib | TRY THAT |
| 18:45.11 | rev|lib | BUTTONS ARE SMALL |
| 18:45.13 | rev|lib | BUT YOU DEAL |
| 18:45.39 | Luke-JrZ | ...... |
| 18:45.43 | gerrynjr | rev|lib, gah! your caps lock is on! |
| 18:46.20 | Luke-JrZ | i disable caps lock |
| 18:46.34 | Luke-JrZ | actually, i remap it to 2nd group |
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| 18:47.27 | rev|lib | i am spelling things out for luke |
| 18:47.40 | Disconnect | fyi, I use netfront. although I suspect that after I put OZ on it today it won't be available :( |
| 18:47.47 | rev|lib | ? |
| 18:47.50 | rev|lib | why not make a package first |
| 18:48.18 | kergoth | rev|lib: because c7x0 apps arent compatible? |
| 18:48.24 | Luke-JrZ | it just erased Jeode |
| 18:48.30 | rev|lib | kergoth: they're not? :/ |
| 18:48.31 | rev|lib | that sucks |
| 18:48.35 | Disconnect | konq for non-ssl sites, netfront for 'real' sites, opera for bad-cert-ssl (eg my nocat gateway, other internal machines) .. netfront has the "feature" of prompting for ssl cert verification on -each- load. each image, each page, etc... |
| 18:48.40 | Luke-JrZ | kergoth: none are? |
| 18:48.41 | rev|lib | heh |
| 18:48.43 | kergoth | they broke compat with 3.x for collie and the other devices |
| 18:48.48 | kergoth | Luke-JrZ: if you're lucky.. you can try |
| 18:48.49 | XavierXeon | opera buttons on a c7x0 can be large : http://zaurus.xavierxeon.de/zaurus.php?group=main&topic=c750 |
| 18:49.02 | rev|lib | ah neat XavierXeon |
| 18:49.10 | Luke-JrZ | kergoth: Hancom*? |
| 18:49.11 | rev|lib | io myself prefer small ones |
| 18:49.17 | rev|lib | i do it all with key commands anyway |
| 18:49.26 | rev|lib | so i would just assume having no buttons |
| 18:49.49 | Luke-JrZ | heh |
| 18:50.05 | kergoth | Luke-JrZ: what part of "you can try" did you miss? |
| 18:50.12 | kergoth | i dont touch sharp roms. i have no idea. |
| 18:50.24 | Luke-JrZ | kergoth: i cant try until its too late |
| 18:50.33 | kergoth | huh? |
| 18:50.35 | kergoth | so reflash back to sharp |
| 18:50.38 | kergoth | big fucking deal |
| 18:50.39 | gerrynjr | DIEEEEEE |
| 18:50.46 | Luke-JrZ | cant i lack a 256M flash |
| 18:50.54 | kergoth | eh? |
| 18:50.59 | kergoth | you dont need a 256mb card to flash |
| 18:51.06 | gerrynjr | Luke-JrZ, you need a 16 meg flash :-D |
| 18:51.06 | Luke-JrZ | I only have 32M |
| 18:51.12 | kergoth | gerrynjr: no. |
| 18:51.19 | Luke-JrZ | to flash sharp |
| 18:51.20 | gerrynjr | kergoth, so much for me helping |
| 18:51.29 | kergoth | gerrynjr: c7x0 have a fuckload more than 16mb of flash. |
| 18:51.32 | kergoth | and sharp makes use of it |
| 18:51.32 | gerrynjr | I flashed my Z w/ a 16 meg flash.... |
| 18:51.37 | kergoth | yes, you did. |
| 18:51.42 | gerrynjr | then again.. dif model |
| 18:52.12 | Luke-JrZ | 128M |
| 18:52.14 | kergoth | Luke-JrZ: and by the way, you can create ipks of packages from sharp by loopback mounting the image, after the fact |
| 18:52.20 | kergoth | there are scripts to do so |
| 18:52.38 | Luke-JrZ | kergoth: tried that on my desktop... didnt work |
| 18:52.50 | kergoth | "didnt work" |
| 18:52.55 | kergoth | then you did something wrong., |
| 18:53.36 | Luke-JrZ | pppossibly |
| 18:53.53 | Disconnect | fyi most places (even best buy and walmart) have 128M SD or 256M cf for about $50 |
| 18:53.55 | absentia | re |
| 18:54.18 | absentia | flash |
| 18:54.32 | Disconnect | and desktop readers for $30-$100 depending on how many formats you want it to read |
| 18:54.50 | gerrynjr | Disconnect, my 128 was 25 bucks |
| 18:54.56 | Disconnect | gerrynjr: sd or cf? |
| 18:55.00 | absentia | I thought my 700 was 32ram/64/rom and my 760 was 64ram/128rom ... built in. |
| 18:55.01 | gerrynjr | cf |
| 18:55.07 | Disconnect | right. see above. |
| 18:55.14 | gerrynjr | ah.. oops |
| 18:55.16 | absentia | adding 128cf is $29 at comp usa (lexar?) ... 512mb sd was like $279 |
| 18:55.19 | gerrynjr | didn't see the difference |
| 18:55.32 | gerrynjr | I want a 256 sd... |
| 18:55.34 | absentia | $7 for a CF "converter" .. not really a reader. |
| 18:55.39 | gerrynjr | maybe on black friday they will be cheap |
| 18:55.44 | absentia | go to www.pricewatch.com |
| 18:56.05 | gerrynjr | absentia, I can't buy online |
| 18:56.09 | Disconnect | absentia: the pcmcia->cf adapters? IIRC thats just a form factor adjustment, with forced 3.3V. I'm talking the usb ones for any machine. |
| 18:56.12 | Luke-JrZ | I want 1G SD |
| 18:56.28 | rev|lib | i am thinking of gettign an ipod to use on my PDA |
| 18:56.31 | rev|lib | since i can use usb 2 |
| 18:56.57 | gerrynjr | rev|lib, quit bragging |
| 18:57.14 | gerrynjr | rev|lib, you get it runningl inux yet |
| 18:57.15 | gerrynjr | ? |
| 18:57.17 | gerrynjr | linux |
| 18:57.25 | rev|lib | hell no |
| 18:57.25 | rev|lib | heh |
| 18:57.38 | rev|lib | i will duct tape an ipod to it |
| 18:57.45 | rev|lib | and be l33t as shit |
| 18:58.28 | rev|lib | ? |
| 18:58.48 | rev|lib | who the hell actually syncs? |
| 18:58.52 | rev|lib | a pda which requires syncing is a weak pda |
| 18:58.53 | absentia | that's just to compare prices. |
| 18:58.59 | rev|lib | i've never used it |
| 18:59.08 | gerrynjr | rev|lib, I don't sync either... |
| 18:59.11 | rev|lib | and havign no windows desktop, i have developed software un hindered |
| 18:59.13 | absentia | ya, my pcmcia cf interface was $7... I think there are some for $1.95 :-> |
| 18:59.14 | rev|lib | gerrynjr: exactly |
| 18:59.20 | gerrynjr | but if I wanted a system like your sigmarion... i'd jsut get a laptop |
| 18:59.24 | rev|lib | i've not sync'd with anyting other than a palm m130 |
| 18:59.27 | rev|lib | a laptop is too big |
| 18:59.36 | gerrynjr | rev|lib, not all laptops are equal in size :-D |
| 18:59.44 | rev|lib | i've not seen a laptop this small |
| 18:59.48 | rev|lib | all have been bigger in some dimension |
| 18:59.54 | rev|lib | usually in depth (not thickness) |
| 18:59.57 | gerrynjr | yes... |
| 18:59.58 | Disconnect | syncing (even one way) lets you use a pda as a pda - its the 'assistant' that carries (and gets new) addresses and such. unless you do all your email, irc, etc on it.. in which case its a laptop. |
| 19:00.00 | rev|lib | making it too wide to fit in my pocket |
| 19:00.10 | rev|lib | then why have a zaurus? |
| 19:00.14 | gerrynjr | but I want x86 arch, to run my x86 apps |
| 19:00.14 | rev|lib | a zaurus does those things |
| 19:00.20 | rev|lib | but does the "assistant" part poorly |
| 19:00.32 | rev|lib | oh no, you use your zaurus for useful stuff- better dump it and get a big ass laptop |
| 19:00.39 | rev|lib | i don't want x86, eww |
| 19:00.49 | gerrynjr | rev|lib, I have my zaurus b/c I like to have a portable linux workstation |
| 19:00.54 | Luke-JrZ | omg |
| 19:01.04 | rev|lib | Disconnect: you should just get a laptop i guess, or so Disconnect would have you do |
| 19:01.09 | Luke-JrZ | gaim even eats cpu onn thee z |
| 19:01.23 | rev|lib | i bet it eats ram too |
| 19:01.24 | rev|lib | big surprise |
| 19:01.28 | Luke-JrZ | bbl =p |
| 19:01.29 | absentia | I don't sync |
| 19:01.29 | rev|lib | although |
| 19:01.29 | kergoth | Luke-JrZ: um, newsflash, apps use cpu. |
| 19:01.31 | absentia | I don't even pim |
| 19:01.31 | rev|lib | it does a lot |
| 19:01.37 | rev|lib | app do not use CPU |
| 19:01.38 | rev|lib | NEVER |
| 19:01.40 | rev|lib | not my apps |
| 19:01.42 | rev|lib | they use GPU!@$! |
| 19:01.46 | Luke-JrZ | i need cpuu for ungz |
| 19:01.56 | rev|lib | i wrote a kernel mod that offloads it all onto the imageon GPU |
| 19:02.01 | Luke-JrZ | ker gaim uses abttt 100% |
| 19:02.02 | rev|lib | leaving the CPU open for nothing |
| 19:02.07 | rev|lib | abtttttttt |
| 19:02.08 | rev|lib | wow |
| 19:02.14 | rev|lib | you been smoking crack young man? |
| 19:02.17 | absentia | eh? |
| 19:02.21 | Luke-JrZ | gaim lags tttoo |
| 19:02.37 | rev|lib | then use something else |
| 19:02.42 | rev|lib | you've got a million options |
| 19:02.45 | rev|lib | or write your own |
| 19:02.50 | Luke-JrZ | bbbl aafter opera fiinishes |
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| 19:04.33 | absentia | what's he complaining 'bout ? |
| 19:04.40 | absentia | the only thing I saw lagging on the Z was mame |
| 19:04.46 | absentia | and I'm sure that was just beucase it wasn't for xscale |
| 19:05.03 | absentia | and it had a bug where the turbo mode wasn't being kept... so it always ran at full frame rate, or something. |
| 19:05.14 | absentia | ya, gcc on it ain't fast... but it does RUN... and that's all that's needed. |
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| 19:23.59 | Luke-JrZ | rev u still here? |
| 19:25.45 | Luke-JrZ | is it just my z or is opera horribly slow? |
| 19:26.56 | absentia | define slow ? |
| 19:26.58 | absentia | what Z do you have ? |
| 19:27.04 | Luke-JrZ | c760 |
| 19:27.13 | Luke-JrZ | it takes forever to load |
| 19:27.18 | Luke-JrZ | and go to sites |
| 19:27.28 | absentia | ah |
| 19:27.30 | absentia | which sites? |
| 19:27.33 | absentia | go to a wimgple site |
| 19:27.34 | absentia | google |
| 19:27.46 | Luke-JrZ | annd to forgroundd especially |
| 19:28.13 | absentia | gnat; what's the other one ? |
| 19:28.31 | absentia | dunno |
| 19:28.34 | Luke-JrZ | gnat? |
| 19:28.35 | absentia | mine is quite peppy and usable. |
| 19:28.38 | absentia | was for #pthon |
| 19:28.43 | absentia | sent to wrong channel |
| 19:28.48 | Luke-JrZ | o |
| 19:30.02 | Luke-JrZ | I wonder how long till someone ports Konqueror 3.2 |
| 19:30.26 | Luke-JrZ | anyway, bbl |
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| 19:31.53 | absentia | doesn't oz have konq ? |
| 19:32.00 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:32.00 | absentia | I thought it was too slow to be usable. |
| 19:32.06 | absentia | what's the browser in oz ? |
| 19:32.45 | kergoth | its konq, yeah |
| 19:32.49 | absentia | ya, thought so. |
| 19:33.02 | absentia | it was on the 700... i'll have to give the new oz a whirl on the 760... etc. |
| 19:33.53 | kergoth | fyi, 3.5 will have the option to have its rootfs read only for those that are concerned about such things |
| 19:34.01 | absentia | nice. |
| 19:34.37 | kergoth | quite a bit cleaner than sharps implementation |
| 19:34.49 | kergoth | lacking unionfs we still rely heavily on symlinks, but at least its clean |
| 19:34.53 | kergoth | heh |
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| 19:35.42 | MG_Tak | what's the concern about rootfs being read only? |
| 19:35.44 | MG_Tak | or not |
| 19:36.03 | kergoth | some people are paranoid about writing to their flash |
| 19:36.20 | kergoth | also, it reduces the possibility of accidental damage |
| 19:36.25 | kergoth | though running as nonroot helps that as well |
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| 20:14.50 | absentia | does oz have anything like this ? |
| 20:14.53 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.04 | absentia | ex: no |
| 20:15.31 | kergoth | we dont have an autobuild daemon |
| 20:15.37 | kergoth | much less a reporting mechanism for it :) |
| 20:15.42 | kergoth | but we will. |
| 20:15.48 | absentia | cool |
| 20:16.07 | kergoth | we need a solid test harness as well |
| 20:16.15 | kergoth | need to find a decent one |
| 20:20.14 | chuckr | I can report a buncha new things today, Kergoth. For one, remember being skeptical when I reported about a web page saying ti wanted me to clear the flash? |
| 20:20.43 | chuckr | you said, the normal course is flashing clear the flash anyways, so why would it be needed? |
| 20:21.42 | chuckr | It seems that there's one specific image, oh shhot, I forget his name, something like shah, it actually requires the clearing of the flash before it will work. |
| 20:22.09 | chuckr | Second item, did you know about the d/m diagnostic screen available on the 760? |
| 20:22.49 | absentia | sash |
| 20:22.49 | absentia | rom. |
| 20:22.52 | absentia | cacko.biz |
| 20:22.58 | chuckr | yeah, sash, that's it |
| 20:23.03 | absentia | so, did you get it to work ? |
| 20:23.13 | chuckr | Kergoth was telling me it sounded fishy yesterday |
| 20:23.24 | absentia | mine didn't work until I cleared the flash. |
| 20:23.30 | absentia | can't explain what it did... to make it wor |
| 20:23.37 | absentia | but there are posts to the same effect (from sasha) |
| 20:23.43 | chuckr | nope. but I got a possible reaosn now, it fails the diagnostic for the flash memory, both sd and cf |
| 20:24.34 | absentia | ya? |
| 20:24.36 | chuckr | There's a screen you can bring up, you kill power, then before bringing it up, press and hold both the d and m keys, and a diag screen (set of screens) comes up |
| 20:24.42 | absentia | but you said it flashed.. and didn't give an error? |
| 20:24.48 | absentia | how is the cf formattted? |
| 20:24.50 | absentia | format it again. |
| 20:24.57 | absentia | that's the external cf... |
| 20:25.20 | absentia | yup... there are a lot of "fear" warnings about those pages... |
| 20:25.20 | chuckr | true on both counts, but it didn't reboot. The nand backup dies immediately from cf flash, but takes 60 seconds to die from sd flash |
| 20:25.35 | absentia | ah |
| 20:25.39 | absentia | sounds like there is an issue |
| 20:25.40 | absentia | for sure |
| 20:25.46 | absentia | again, what is the format style of the cf? |
| 20:25.49 | chuckr | it appears that one of the 760's improvements is that it works in flashing from both sd and cf. |
| 20:26.05 | chuckr | both my sd and cf were fat16 |
| 20:26.19 | absentia | is it formatted fat32? |
| 20:26.20 | absentia | or ext2? |
| 20:26.29 | chuckr | I knew that one (chuckling to myself) |
| 20:26.36 | absentia | have you tried fat32? |
| 20:26.43 | absentia | I can't see how it would matter. |
| 20:27.08 | chuckr | nope all the docs say fat16, and besides it's probably impossible for me to do fat32, I don't run Windows here. |
| 20:27.35 | chuckr | I can get fat16 from the Mac |
| 20:27.43 | absentia | can anyone ftp to ftp.gnupg.org ? |
| 20:27.51 | chuckr | I could, why |
| 20:27.51 | absentia | ah |
| 20:28.06 | absentia | well, it keeps dropping on me. |
| 20:28.16 | chuckr | let me check, what do you want? |
| 20:28.34 | absentia | neverind |
| 20:28.37 | absentia | I just did it from offsite |
| 20:28.41 | absentia | I get tired of things not working at work. |
| 20:28.42 | chuckr | are you on aim? |
| 20:29.06 | absentia | nottakenyetihope |
| 20:29.17 | chuckr | oh |
| 20:29.43 | chuckr | anyways, according to the d/m screen, my cf is badly, sadly shot, and my sd is nearing it. |
| 20:29.58 | absentia | I'd be afraid to check my sd |
| 20:30.03 | absentia | I pai $279 for it and barely used it. |
| 20:30.08 | absentia | well, a new cf is just like $29 |
| 20:30.10 | chuckr | I am going back to the vendor with my poor sick Zaurus, I think. |
| 20:30.11 | absentia | how old is your cf and sd? |
| 20:30.17 | absentia | I only used new cfs... really... when I flashed. |
| 20:30.31 | absentia | 3305984 bytes received in 7.58 secs (4.3e+02 Kbytes/sec) |
| 20:30.33 | absentia | yum |
| 20:30.34 | chuckr | my sd is a year old, my cf was bought on Sunday. |
| 20:30.41 | absentia | ok, well, the cf should work |
| 20:30.49 | chuckr | both should |
| 20:30.49 | absentia | and you have a 760... strange. |
| 20:30.51 | absentia | what type of cf? |
| 20:30.55 | absentia | what brand |
| 20:31.11 | chuckr | 1G, vendor is SimpleTech |
| 20:31.17 | absentia | ah |
| 20:31.21 | absentia | I think mine is lexar. |
| 20:31.45 | absentia | the only other thing I could suggest is to try another brand of c.f.. get an inexepensive one... just don't get the "cheapest" out there. |
| 20:31.55 | absentia | but, I'd be willing to be that even that would fail. |
| 20:32.24 | chuckr | well, the sd was able nicely to work with the 5500, I don't think it's that. Like I said, the diagnostic screen (which I'm only guessing the NG means no good) is saying it's shot. |
| 20:32.55 | absentia | :-/ |
| 20:33.16 | chuckr | You should pack that dm thing away in yourmind, and not suggeest it to anyone with less than limber fingers, because it's sorta hard to do, frankly |
| 20:34.31 | absentia | ya, I have read about it, but I don't think i've ever tried it. |
| 20:38.50 | chuckr | I found a mail message that referred, very obliquely, to it. It also referred to a better way of accessing it, but I haven't figured that part out yet, I'm still squeezing it like a pickle trying to get the d & m keys to stay down while I cycle power |
| 20:39.49 | chuckr | if you're laughing at me, well, stifle yourself! |
| 20:40.15 | chuckr | solaris 10, what, what? |
| 20:40.52 | chuckr | did sun brin gout a new one? |
| 20:42.58 | chuckr | I see nothing from sun on their website, don't excite me like that |
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| 20:57.03 | Disconnect | chuckr: http://aceshardware.com/#75000449 |
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| 21:11.04 | Luke-Jr | kergoth: OZ Konq is only 3.0 or something tho, right? |
| 21:11.18 | kergoth | its a kde 2.x konq. |
| 21:11.22 | Luke-Jr | even worse |
| 21:11.25 | kergoth | which is expected, since we're on qte2. |
| 21:11.32 | kergoth | you wont get konq from 3 until we move to qte3 |
| 21:11.32 | Luke-Jr | >< |
| 21:11.52 | kergoth | heh, khtml from 3 is *lot* nicer than it was |
| 21:11.55 | kergoth | in 2 |
| 21:12.00 | Luke-Jr | The browser is too |
| 21:12.08 | kergoth | .. |
| 21:12.09 | Luke-Jr | the tabbed browsing works alot better |
| 21:12.16 | kergoth | ah, interface things. yeah |
| 21:12.49 | absentia | ya |
| 21:12.50 | Luke-Jr | Almost at Mozilla's level |
| 21:12.57 | absentia | downloading the three isos... for solaris 10 |
| 21:13.00 | Luke-Jr | tho I think they need to work on password memory a bit more |
| 21:13.17 | Luke-Jr | password management* |
| 21:13.19 | kergoth | absentia: i hope thats sparc :) |
| 21:13.26 | absentia | http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris/solaris-express/get.html |
| 21:13.33 | absentia | sparc, x86... and perhaps amd. |
| 21:13.35 | absentia | story on slashdot |
| 21:13.39 | kergoth | spiffy |
| 21:14.09 | Luke-Jr | Wow... USB uses alot of power doesn't it? o.o |
| 21:14.11 | chouimat | absentia: which version of solaris it this? |
| 21:14.15 | kergoth | .. |
| 21:14.21 | kergoth | ~bitchslap chouimat |
| 21:14.24 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of chouimat |
| 21:14.33 | chouimat | kergoth: why? |
| 21:14.45 | kergoth | he just said, its solaris 10. what else do you want to know? |
| 21:14.45 | Luke-Jr | I got USB working at college today and my battery lasted like 6 hours less than usual... |
| 21:14.48 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:15.00 | Luke-Jr | Funny thing is, I got a "Charge your battery message" and the screen died -.-;; |
| 21:15.23 | chouimat | kergoth: sorry didn't read it ... just saw the link and clicked it |
| 21:15.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:16.56 | Luke-Jr | LOL |
| 21:17.43 | Luke-Jr | who wants to see my insane license agreement screen that I'm about to destroy? =p |
| 21:18.13 | Luke-Jr | http://dev.gentoo.org/~luke-jr/install-licenses.png |
| 21:24.34 | chouimat | hmmm this will take a long time to download |
| 21:49.54 | absentia | chou: solaris 10 |
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| 21:50.34 | absentia | luke: I don't get it |
| 21:50.46 | absentia | ok, the ibm silo looked like a jackhammer trying to get past that stuck tape |
| 21:50.52 | absentia | funny.. but yet, so sad. |
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| 22:45.45 | rev | yo |
| 23:04.55 | treke | yo rev. |
| 23:05.11 | treke | rev: I looks like the OSX X11 server can handle full screen mode |
| 23:05.18 | treke | rev: So I just need to get ion to build. |
| 23:05.26 | rev | woot |
| 23:05.35 | rev | yeah |
| 23:05.42 | rev | i thought you wanted to know abut using it on top of regular OS X |
| 23:05.53 | rev | you could run it entirely instead of the quartz as well |
| 23:06.30 | rev | i haven't used Apple's X11 much, but when i used to use x11 on os x a lot, i originally did it by switching between X and quartz with cmd-opt-A |
| 23:07.42 | treke | I'd prefer to work in an all X environemtn :) |
| 23:07.50 | rev | then do so |
| 23:07.56 | rev | you can quit quartz entirely and just run X11 |
| 23:07.59 | treke | eventually I'll try getting linuxppc on there. Not too happy with OSX in general :p |
| 23:08.14 | rev | i've done that as well, but i went back to quartz, as squeak ran a ton better there |
| 23:08.51 | rev | the mac VM for carbon compiled with Metrowerks was a good 30% faster than the Unix VM compiled with gcc for LinuxPPC or Darwin/X11 was |
| 23:08.52 | treke | OSX is a nice OS, just not for me |
| 23:08.56 | rev | mmhmm |
| 23:09.07 | rev | kind of the same deal with me, except for the above |
| 23:09.22 | rev | my main two apps being squeak and safari, almost everything else within squeak |
| 23:09.31 | treke | So metroworks isn't just using apple's branch of gcc? |
| 23:09.43 | rev | but a 30% speed boost was enough reason to stay in OS X :P |
| 23:09.46 | rev | no |
| 23:09.54 | rev | at least, it didn't originally |
| 23:10.01 | rev | no clue if they plan on doing that eventually |
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| 23:10.16 | treke | I've heard apple's gcc branch is pretty good. |
| 23:10.34 | treke | I wouldnt be surprised if it made it's way back into mainline |
| 23:11.57 | rev | some parts have been i imagine |
| 23:12.23 | rev | at least, for sure if you consider "apple's gcc branch" including all the way back to next |
| 23:12.25 | rev | same lineage |
| 23:12.59 | rev | i doubt gcc was at fault for all of that speed difference |
| 23:13.15 | rev | but the api, carbon+mw allowing some tricks gcc wouldn't |
| 23:13.17 | rev | can't recall what though |
| 23:13.25 | rev | (i didn't write the VM nor do i maintain any mac ports) |
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| 23:14.14 | W8TVI | rev, treke: http://www.pcweenies.com/archives_501_to_600/archives_501_to_520/pictures/pcweenies_511.html |
| 23:14.53 | rev | heh |
| 23:14.58 | rev | is that a carrot computer? |
| 23:15.26 | rev | someone should come up with a premium PC line called orange computer |
| 23:15.34 | W8TVI | lol |
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| 23:16.31 | Barna | Hi All |
| 23:17.16 | rev | yo |
| 23:19.26 | Barna | Are there any problems with SanDisk SD Cards 256MB? |
| 23:20.08 | rev | what is your problem? |
| 23:20.22 | Barna | i don't have one yet :-) But i'm planning to get one... |
| 23:20.26 | rev | ah |
| 23:20.29 | rev | to my knowledge no |
| 23:20.35 | rev | i recall hearing something about sandisk perhaps thouigh |
| 23:20.41 | rev | can't remember what brand can be a little goofyt |
| 23:22.34 | Barna | ok thanks |
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