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| 01:25.10 | mewyn | hey warmi |
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| 01:32.31 | warmi | hi mewyn |
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| 01:34.34 | warmi | man .. indimedia.org is the only site that is actually mourning these two fuckers who were killed today in Iraq |
| 01:34.53 | mewyn | idiots |
| 01:35.17 | mewyn | i'm gonna have so much fun with this D&D game i'm gonna run |
| 01:35.27 | ljp | ya, I hate it when evil killers die |
| 01:35.36 | warmi | is it like networked game ? |
| 01:35.52 | mewyn | in a sense |
| 01:36.01 | mewyn | :) |
| 01:36.41 | warmi | heh .. in a sense you are saying |
| 01:36.59 | mewyn | paper and pencils |
| 01:37.01 | mewyn | and dice |
| 01:37.03 | mewyn | lotsa dice |
| 01:37.05 | warmi | what .. ah |
| 01:37.06 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:37.23 | warmi | well, that's not networking .. that's variation on "hot seat" style |
| 01:38.23 | mewyn | anyway, one of my friends wants to play a thief |
| 01:39.08 | warmi | I remember I used to play games like that , except we were playing wargames ... |
| 01:39.15 | mewyn | and he may just have the computer RPG mentality of, "oh, someone else's stuff, i'll just grab some for myself." that shit don't fly with me ;) |
| 01:39.24 | warmi | basically you would have a map , a bunch of cardboard tokens etc ... |
| 01:39.49 | mewyn | similar to miniatures |
| 01:39.54 | mewyn | like battletech |
| 01:40.52 | effy-kun | can anyone tell me what "half cocked" means? |
| 01:40.54 | warmi | mewyn : when is the third part of LOTR coming out ? |
| 01:41.02 | treke | effy-kun: Not completly thought through |
| 01:41.03 | warmi | this xmass ? |
| 01:41.05 | mewyn | december |
| 01:41.11 | _Psycho | like 7th dec like the 2other |
| 01:41.13 | effy-kun | treke: ah ok haha |
| 01:41.19 | mewyn | for some reason 17th comes to mind |
| 01:41.21 | warmi | I haven't even seen the second part yet |
| 01:41.31 | treke | or someone who wasn't blessed by the sausage fairy |
| 01:41.41 | effy-kun | lol |
| 01:41.46 | mewyn | i haven't seen the second part enough yet |
| 01:41.48 | warmi | I need to see it .. cause supposedly they had some cool battles |
| 01:42.03 | warmi | treke : hehehe |
| 01:42.30 | mewyn | cool is an understatement |
| 01:42.35 | warmi | mewyn : I saw Phone Booth this weekend on dvd .... pretty good movie |
| 01:42.45 | treke | warmi: worth watching? |
| 01:42.47 | mewyn | i heard it was |
| 01:42.56 | mewyn | i should get my friends to get it |
| 01:43.26 | warmi | yeah, this is nothing like die-hard or any of these action flicks you expect from Hollywood |
| 01:43.37 | mewyn | good thing with having movie buff friends, i never need to buy movies |
| 01:43.38 | treke | cool |
| 01:43.45 | treke | maybe I'll stop buy the store and get a copy |
| 01:43.47 | warmi | of course they advertised it as such but it is much more interesting |
| 01:44.15 | mewyn | looks more like a suspense film |
| 01:44.26 | mewyn | and looked really cheap to make |
| 01:44.37 | warmi | well, so was "the professional" |
| 01:44.44 | warmi | but both were great flicks |
| 01:45.04 | treke | yup |
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| 01:45.12 | warmi | treke : you don't even notice that |
| 01:45.25 | mewyn | this looked cheaper than the professional, because in the previews showed nothing but a man in a phone booth |
| 01:45.38 | treke | warmi: If thats the case it should qualify as a great movie :) |
| 01:45.39 | mewyn | i can only assume that there are not many more sets than that |
| 01:46.05 | warmi | mewyn : well, it was about a man stuck in a phone booth |
| 01:46.31 | warmi | anyway, check it out |
| 01:46.49 | warmi | you could do much worse than watching that movie |
| 01:47.01 | mewyn | what, bombing SCO? |
| 01:47.11 | treke | he said worse |
| 01:47.21 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:47.23 | mewyn | oh, wait, worse |
| 01:47.56 | warmi | btw .. what's up with SCO ? are they going anywhere with their legal action ? |
| 01:48.13 | mewyn | check /. recently? |
| 01:48.14 | _Psycho | they got some copyright crap yesterday |
| 01:48.18 | _Psycho | share got up 20% |
| 01:48.31 | _Psycho | I hope they die thought |
| 01:48.42 | mewyn | blah blah blah, we filed the paper work for copyright... blah blah blah you must pay us to use linux... blah blah blah |
| 01:49.05 | _Psycho | "we offer linux license for everyone in the world now" you have to pay or delete |
| 01:49.21 | warmi | they were already dead |
| 01:49.26 | warmi | at least their business model was |
| 01:49.45 | warmi | so , from the purely economical point of view, this action was a great move |
| 01:49.50 | _Psycho | I bet they put they license free then in 5 years "oops its 1000$ now" |
| 01:49.51 | warmi | they don't have anything to lose |
| 01:49.59 | _Psycho | indeed |
| 01:51.26 | warmi | frankly, Novell is dying and they actually do have a pretty good product ... I don't even know what SCO sells these days ...I haven't seen live SCO Unix installation in years :-) |
| 01:51.54 | treke | we just tossed our sco box recently :0 |
| 01:52.03 | mewyn | pft. i ain't paying, and i would tell all current linux users to do the same. they have no legal standing to threaten you with a lawsuit |
| 01:52.06 | _Psycho | we tossing it out in 3 weeks |
| 01:52.10 | mewyn | treke: good. |
| 01:52.15 | mewyn | UnixWhore sucks. |
| 01:52.18 | treke | mewyn: I'm not so sure |
| 01:52.19 | mewyn | i've had to install it |
| 01:52.33 | treke | mewyn: it's been replaced by Windows 2000 Server and citrix metaframe :) |
| 01:53.00 | _Psycho | warmi i agree novell product are quite good, i guess a bit underestimate or something |
| 01:53.03 | mewyn | oh, that... i'd rather have windows than unixwhore any day |
| 01:53.17 | warmi | back in early 90s Unixware was pretty much the only PC friendly Unix around |
| 01:53.27 | _Psycho | windows integration of XP + 2k server + all the stuff that they share is hard to beat when you use Novell 6 + XP it not that good i guess |
| 01:53.42 | mewyn | does unixwhore even have NUMA and RCU? |
| 01:54.33 | warmi | _Psycho : precisely, so even if 2k server is not as good file server as Novell is ... it still wins couse of its tight integrations with existing Windows installations |
| 01:55.11 | mewyn | if novell ported netware to linux, there would be a definite new contender on the block |
| 01:55.19 | warmi | they did |
| 01:55.26 | warmi | or at least someone did |
| 01:55.52 | _Psycho | We have 2k servers at work + XP machines, its awesome for policies, on fly installation, Remore Instalation Server, and other neat stuff, anyway.. I guess Novell should have done they own os =p |
| 01:56.10 | mewyn | no, the new shit, they are abandoning netware in time |
| 01:56.21 | warmi | ah .. their new stuff |
| 01:56.39 | warmi | well I don't know about that .. haven't seen new NOvell in action yet |
| 01:56.49 | warmi | there are still older netware servers around here and there |
| 01:59.20 | warmi | what exactly is SCO trying to do ? have people pay flat fee for each commercial installation of Linux ? |
| 01:59.38 | mewyn | per seat, i'd imagine |
| 01:59.42 | treke | warmi: per instal |
| 01:59.54 | treke | you buy a unix license for every copy of linux you have |
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| 02:00.41 | _Psycho | 1.7 millions of linux apache web server * lets say 500$ buck, its like 800millions for them :) |
| 02:00.42 | warmi | uh ... hahah |
| 02:00.45 | warmi | good luck to them |
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| 02:10.20 | mewyn | hrm... |
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| 03:10.33 | ekliptik | is there a chance that anyone in here can help me sort out some irda issues? |
| 03:11.09 | kergoth | dont ask to ask |
| 03:11.11 | kergoth | just ask. |
| 03:11.17 | kergoth | if someone knows, they'll answer |
| 03:11.23 | ekliptik | fair enough friend |
| 03:12.36 | ekliptik | when I try to connect to the internet via my phone the dial attempt is abruptly stopped |
| 03:13.04 | ekliptik | when I check the log it lists a problem w/ input/output but I have no clue why... |
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| 03:17.18 | SuperCal_ | hi |
| 03:18.05 | SuperCal_ | is anyone awake? |
| 03:19.06 | kergoth | no |
| 03:19.44 | SuperCal_ | heh |
| 03:20.00 | SuperCal_ | Is it usually this quiet in here? |
| 03:20.27 | kergoth | sometimes its more active |
| 03:20.31 | kergoth | but generally its pretty quiet, yeah |
| 03:20.48 | SuperCal_ | I'm trying this mozilla irc client for the first time.... for a second I thought I screwed up a setting somewhere. |
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| 03:22.10 | SuperCal_ | Anyway, I was looking for a little networking help for my Z. Is this an appropriate place to ask? |
| 03:22.19 | kergoth | dont ask to ask, just ask |
| 03:22.24 | kergoth | if anyone knows and is conscious, they'll reply |
| 03:23.11 | flipPDA | make it snappy too. i need some heavy scrolling |
| 03:23.43 | SuperCal_ | Thanks. My school has a Cisco VPN set up for its 802.11b wireless network. I was wondering what I need to get it running on the Z? |
| 03:24.13 | fliplap | doesn't cisco use some crazy propietary vpn protocol |
| 03:24.52 | SuperCal_ | I have no idea. I know the school wirless network page referances ipsec... |
| 03:25.48 | fliplap | shrug, i couldn't tell ya anyway |
| 03:25.54 | fliplap | haven't done vpn on the Z |
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| 03:26.58 | TCMAN | hi |
| 03:27.51 | SuperCal_ | will the freeswan and ipsec versions for the Z work with a CISCO IPSec VPN network? |
| 03:27.55 | SuperCal_ | hi TCMAN |
| 03:28.20 | fliplap | it might |
| 03:28.27 | fliplap | worth a try eh? |
| 03:28.42 | SuperCal_ | I guess... |
| 03:28.44 | SuperCal_ | thanks |
| 03:29.17 | ekliptik | anyone using an s105 to dial out with? |
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| 03:30.24 | fliplap | SuperCal_: sorry can't be more help, i just don't think many people here have tried it |
| 03:30.42 | fliplap | i think everyone would like to hear your results tho |
| 03:30.46 | SuperCal_ | thats ok I'm glad you at least tried... |
| 03:30.53 | SuperCal_ | I'll report back. |
| 03:30.59 | fliplap | coo |
| 03:32.11 | SuperCal_ | I'll see you guys later... I'll keep in touch. |
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| 04:15.37 | Pendalar | http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/changelog/browse =-x |
| 04:15.48 | VampireZIM | hey penny |
| 04:15.59 | Pendalar | sup |
| 04:16.32 | VampireZIM | corgi? |
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| 04:16.43 | kergoth | corgi is c700 |
| 04:16.47 | VampireZIM | i see that |
| 04:16.51 | VampireZIM | what is corgi though? |
| 04:16.58 | kergoth | huh? |
| 04:17.04 | kergoth | its c700. |
| 04:17.15 | kergoth | thats sharp's machine type naming for that producct |
| 04:17.15 | VampireZIM | ok, heh |
| 04:17.19 | Pendalar | c700 |
| 04:17.21 | Pendalar | doh too late |
| 04:17.22 | VampireZIM | really? |
| 04:17.27 | VampireZIM | wierd, never heard that |
| 04:17.29 | kergoth | ibot: shepherd |
| 04:17.30 | | somebody said shepherd was Sharp Zaurus SL-C750 or a dog |
| 04:17.32 | kergoth | ibot: husky |
| 04:17.33 | | well, husky is Sharp Zaurus SL-C760 or a dog |
| 04:17.34 | kergoth | ibot: collie |
| 04:17.35 | | hmm... collie is sharp sl-5500 and sl-5000d, or a dog |
| 04:17.35 | Pendalar | yeah I got a stinkin collie |
| 04:17.36 | kergoth | ibot: corgi |
| 04:17.37 | | i guess corgi is sharp sl-c700, or a dog |
| 04:17.37 | kergoth | ibot: poodle |
| 04:17.38 | | somebody said poodle was sharp sl-b500/5600, or a dog |
| 04:18.04 | VampireZIM | why are they named after dogs, because they are mans other best friend? :) |
| 04:18.09 | Pendalar | kergoth do you know much about unison? |
| 04:18.17 | kergoth | Pendalar: not much, i'v eonly used it once |
| 04:18.35 | Pendalar | I'm unison'ing a ~5gb server over to offsite |
| 04:18.45 | Pendalar | the initial process has been going for 4 hours ... |
| 04:18.46 | VampireZIM | well, i am moving away from the c700 import, probably going to import Sony U1, U3, U101, bigger profits |
| 04:18.52 | Pendalar | I know that's normal, but geez |
| 04:19.08 | Pendalar | send me your c700 then =-p |
| 04:19.14 | VampireZIM | heh |
| 04:19.19 | VampireZIM | send me $400 |
| 04:19.30 | Pendalar | lil much for a used one |
| 04:19.35 | VampireZIM | nah |
| 04:19.37 | VampireZIM | its like new |
| 04:19.41 | VampireZIM | thats the going rate |
| 04:19.46 | VampireZIM | actually more than that on ebay |
| 04:19.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:20.03 | kergoth | c700 and 5600 arent worth it atm imho |
| 04:20.04 | Pendalar | doesn't really matter anyways, I wouldn't have $100 to throw at it |
| 04:20.07 | kergoth | given they're pxa250 |
| 04:20.19 | Pendalar | I agree but it's better than what I have ;-) |
| 04:20.22 | VampireZIM | yea, the screen is nice though |
| 04:20.36 | VampireZIM | got my little folding keyboard working on it too |
| 04:20.41 | kergoth | screen's just as good on the c7[56]0 :) |
| 04:20.49 | kergoth | wonder i fhte c700 's are gonna come down in price |
| 04:20.51 | VampireZIM | so i can flip the screen back and use it like a little destop computer. :) |
| 04:21.17 | Pendalar | what was wrong with the python script? |
| 04:21.26 | VampireZIM | it is shit |
| 04:21.31 | VampireZIM | hehe, i am using IRK, its great |
| 04:21.41 | VampireZIM | i didnt know about IRK, glad i found it |
| 04:22.28 | Pendalar | I haven't used IR to do anything yet.. kinda odd because omniremote was my favorite palmos app |
| 04:22.39 | Pendalar | but then again that was about all palmos could do |
| 04:23.17 | VampireZIM | yea, but my dream didnt come true, i wanted to use it to chat on net, but i forgot, i use the IR to connect to my cellphone, cant do both, i need my BT card now |
| 04:23.29 | kergoth | bt rocks |
| 04:23.34 | kergoth | i need a cf bt card |
| 04:24.06 | VampireZIM | i am going to get Socket BT CF when i get rich |
| 04:24.17 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:27.32 | Pendalar | will the opie version change next rel? |
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| 04:28.21 | kergoth | opie 1.0 releases at the end of this month |
| 04:28.55 | Pendalar | yey almost in time for my birthday |
| 04:29.03 | W8TVI | this is werid... hancom word wont start |
| 04:29.17 | kergoth | if its oz 3.2, make sure /opt/QtPalmtop/bin is in PATH in /etc/profile |
| 04:29.35 | W8TVI | ok.. it is oz3.2 |
| 04:30.38 | W8TVI | /etc/profile.d/? |
| 04:30.57 | W8TVI | nevermind |
| 04:35.23 | Pendalar | hrm is there no stand alone php ported yet? |
| 04:35.56 | kergoth | ? |
| 04:36.01 | kergoth | oz has php and nanoweb packages |
| 04:36.15 | Pendalar | I was looking at ZSI |
| 04:36.29 | Pendalar | I keep thinking the oz feed packages are somewhere on ZSI |
| 04:39.14 | kergoth | zfi used to index the oz feeds |
| 04:39.20 | kergoth | i wish zsi and ipkgfind would merge |
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| 04:40.05 | Pendalar | true |
| 04:40.32 | kergoth | so havfe both manually added packages, and indexed ones |
| 04:40.49 | kergoth | then we need some way to vote on packages to make them get ordered by rank |
| 04:41.02 | Pendalar | it's easy enough to get ZSI's db |
| 04:41.11 | Pendalar | can't remember about ipkgfind's |
| 04:41.26 | kergoth | whatever happened to zfi? |
| 04:41.39 | Pendalar | I keep not trusting ipkgfind simply because you don't know what's really means for ipaq etc |
| 04:41.56 | Pendalar | -means |
| 04:42.07 | Pendalar | not sure what's going on in my corrupted brain |
| 04:42.07 | kergoth | yeah, gotta look at the url of the package to see where it came from |
| 04:42.08 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:42.18 | Pendalar | it wasn't up all that long was it? |
| 04:42.29 | kergoth | dont think it was up long |
| 04:42.34 | kergoth | was pretty cool though |
| 04:43.00 | Pendalar | the biggest disappointment thus far to me is the email applications for opie |
| 04:43.15 | Pendalar | whatever it is I have installed never retrieves email |
| 04:43.28 | Pendalar | set it to 1 minute checking , knowing I have new mail.. nada |
| 04:44.31 | warmi | http://crazy.codetroop.com/randimg/?cat.jpg |
| 04:44.34 | warmi | something for ljp |
| 04:45.04 | Pendalar | heh we need more python ipks |
| 04:45.27 | kergoth | what, like 25 isnt enough? :) |
| 04:47.08 | Pendalar | needs it's own feed =-p |
| 04:47.32 | Pendalar | or a cramfs pack heh |
| 04:48.05 | Pendalar | apparently unison is going to take overnight |
| 04:51.54 | Pendalar | I know what's going to happen |
| 04:52.03 | Pendalar | I'm going to go to sleep and it'll come back ready to start |
| 04:52.12 | Pendalar | then will time out, causing me to do it again later |
| 04:54.40 | ljp | thats funny |
| 04:56.50 | Pendalar | I don't care for it, but how did familiar never really hit the zaurus? |
| 04:57.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:57.29 | kergoth | they dont have a buildsystem |
| 04:57.34 | kergoth | everything is *manual* |
| 04:57.51 | ljp | like Sharp, I hear |
| 04:57.59 | Pendalar | heh |
| 04:58.05 | ljp | thats crazy |
| 04:58.24 | ljp | even with scripts to help |
| 04:58.37 | TCMAN | this is driving me crazy, sync, suspend, resume, and voila! mmc corrupted |
| 04:59.30 | ljp | this is driving me crazy, make image, ssh, flash, make image, ssh, flash |
| 04:59.40 | TCMAN | wtf, IT WAS SYNCED! |
| 04:59.52 | TCMAN | how mmc can get corrupted if it was synced, huh ? |
| 05:00.37 | ljp | bad drivers |
| 05:00.39 | TCMAN | i added S01sync to /etc/apm/suspend.d containing 3*sync |
| 05:00.44 | TCMAN | doesnt help :( |
| 05:01.56 | TCMAN | both with stupid sandisk 256mb sdmmc and lexar 64mb mmc |
| 05:02.23 | Pendalar | gpe this or that *sigh* |
| 05:06.37 | Pendalar | who said gaim would be out this week? |
| 05:10.07 | Pendalar | xchat for familiar.. nice |
| 05:12.16 | fliplap | no one |
| 05:12.21 | fliplap | someone said in a month |
| 05:17.09 | VampireZIM | my friend wants to install linux on his Dell AXIM, anyone have a url for him? |
| 05:17.22 | ChipX86 | Pendalar: next month |
| 05:17.36 | ChipX86 | at least, that's the current plan |
| 05:17.51 | ChipX86 | I'm not making any absolute promises, but that's the goal |
| 05:18.23 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: there was something on slashdot i think |
| 05:18.31 | Pendalar | I didn't think you could ZIM |
| 05:18.32 | VampireZIM | k, i will have him check there |
| 05:18.46 | Pendalar | night all |
| 05:20.33 | TCMAN | http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/30/2310234&mode=thread&tid=100&tid=137 |
| 05:20.49 | VampireZIM | thanks |
| 05:23.00 | TCMAN | great, my sd-mmc card has read errors already ! |
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| 09:52.25 | ash_ | Hi all |
| 09:52.41 | sashz | hi |
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| 10:02.22 | subdue | gad. a ton of submits on kille all at once |
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| 10:15.18 | Zxcvb | is there any news on OZ? |
| 10:15.51 | duplexer | Nope, just the new OpenOffice. |
| 10:16.42 | Zxcvb | does the flash exporter require anything from macromedia? |
| 10:56.37 | mark | duplexer: looks nice |
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| 12:25.51 | tux_mike | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:46.29 | George- | duplexer: what's new in the new OO? |
| 12:47.48 | ljp | OO? |
| 12:48.02 | George- | OOo then. |
| 12:51.43 | ljp | OOo? |
| 12:52.29 | George- | forget it |
| 12:52.39 | George- | yikes, I'm so unfit |
| 12:52.46 | George- | I can't even pull back my archery bow |
| 12:52.48 | George- | :( |
| 12:52.54 | ljp | wimp |
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| 12:53.22 | ljp | in school, I knew a guy that couldnt do even one pullup |
| 12:56.05 | George- | ljp: hah, that'd be me :) |
| 12:56.37 | George- | anyway, I'm going to go do some archery |
| 12:59.08 | ljp | you are the type of guy that thinks golf is getting a workout |
| 13:02.10 | tux_mike | and BAM! |
| 13:02.19 | tux_mike | wait.. no bam |
| 13:03.07 | tux_mike | wait... yes bam... just hidden bams |
| 13:06.49 | noidd | hmmello |
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| 13:36.53 | kyngel | Morning, everyone. |
| 13:45.49 | kyngel | Finally got an SD card today. |
| 13:49.16 | noidd | gratz |
| 13:50.42 | George- | ibot moo |
| 13:50.43 | | George-: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 13:50.48 | George- | ibot: ping |
| 13:50.48 | | George-: i haven't a clue |
| 13:50.55 | George- | ibot: blah |
| 13:50.56 | | i heard blah is Y |
| 13:51.00 | George- | wth |
| 13:51.02 | George- | anyway |
| 13:51.11 | tux_mike | ibot lart george- |
| 13:57.28 | George- | tux_mike: sod off ;) |
| 13:58.48 | tux_mike | huh? |
| 13:59.11 | tux_mike | you talking gibberish now? |
| 14:10.22 | George- | no, just english |
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| 14:11.13 | hubidubi | hi |
| 14:11.32 | hubidubi | I've just installed qvfb |
| 14:11.46 | hubidubi | how can I install some rom onto it? |
| 14:12.46 | tux_mike | well the words are english, but make no sense in that combination. |
| 14:13.00 | tux_mike | it's like saying foghorn potato. |
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| 14:13.22 | George- | tux_mike: uh |
| 14:13.39 | George- | tux_mike: anyone in ENGLAND (you know, one of those places OUTSIDE America) would understand it |
| 14:13.59 | kyngel | And most Americans, too. |
| 14:14.18 | kyngel | Don't underestimate all of us... just the stupid ones. So, yeah. Underestimate all of us. :) |
| 14:14.27 | tux_mike | ah, so you mean it's slang. awfully stupid slang. |
| 14:14.45 | George- | kyngel: :) |
| 14:15.01 | George- | tux_mike: not really, I think it's more colloquial |
| 14:15.12 | kyngel | My best friend in junior year of HS was English. |
| 14:15.31 | George- | The english rule!!! |
| 14:15.40 | tux_mike | right. |
| 14:15.48 | tux_mike | about 500 years ago |
| 14:15.57 | George- | actually |
| 14:16.03 | George- | up until about 80 years ago |
| 14:17.39 | kyngel | So, if this SD card works right this morning, I think we're putting in that big Zaurus order this afternoon. |
| 14:18.13 | kyngel | If the proof of concept works out, and all. :) |
| 14:18.15 | tux_mike | which sd card? |
| 14:19.50 | kyngel | The 256 meg one we just got. |
| 14:26.12 | kyngel | SanDisk. |
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| 15:08.22 | noidd | hmmm |
| 15:08.31 | noidd | you buying lots of zaurus'? |
| 15:18.12 | kyngel | Yeah. |
| 15:18.14 | kyngel | For work. |
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| 16:07.33 | kyngel | And surprisingly, the SD card 'just works'. |
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| 16:36.00 | George- | ok, any mencoder geeks here? |
| 16:36.59 | fliplap | http://mp.dev.hu/DOCS/encoding.html |
| 16:37.15 | George- | fliplap: I used mencoder to encode a divx file, but I chose the bitrate that would create a 1.4GB file (3 pass encoding)... how do I split the file into 2x700MB files? |
| 16:37.28 | George- | fliplap: that site doesn't have any answers ;) |
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| 16:39.30 | fliplap | George-: you can use the -endpos switch, and its counter part (-startpos iirc) |
| 16:39.45 | fliplap | the mencoder/mplayer manual can tell you about better than i can |
| 16:40.21 | George- | argh, fuck |
| 16:40.22 | George- | FUCK |
| 16:40.26 | George- | I HAVE TO REENCODE IT! |
| 16:40.32 | George- | bah |
| 16:40.39 | George- | Bastard. |
| 16:42.38 | George- | transcode comes with avisplit, but it says it'll only work with transcode'd files |
| 16:42.41 | George- | I'll try it anyway |
| 16:47.41 | fliplap | no you don't |
| 16:48.09 | fliplap | you just tell it to copy the frames and and audio |
| 16:48.40 | fliplap | mencoder <file/DVD> -oac copy -ovc copy |
| 16:50.49 | George- | hrmm ok |
| 16:58.30 | George- | fliplap: OK, I have a 700MB file, but I can't encode the second half |
| 16:58.40 | George- | fliplap: it complains there's a missing video stream |
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| 16:58.59 | fliplap | did you try -startpos |
| 16:59.15 | George- | no, I used -sb |
| 16:59.36 | fliplap | i don't know what -sb dpes |
| 16:59.39 | fliplap | does rather |
| 16:59.40 | George- | "startpos is not an MEncoder option" |
| 16:59.46 | George- | -sb is the start byte |
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| 17:01.06 | fliplap | ok, i dunno what to tell you then |
| 17:02.08 | fliplap | i've done it before, i don't remember how, try google |
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| 18:07.51 | OliverTwisted | anyone know where I can get a j2me class for a picture button? |
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| 18:57.50 | testingnickchang | thats what i thought |
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| 19:00.52 | kyngel | Hm... 512 Panasonic SD card. Yay or nay? |
| 19:01.24 | TheMasterMind1 | how much |
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| 19:02.34 | kyngel | $280-ish. |
| 19:07.15 | kyngel | It's that or a Lexar. |
| 19:10.42 | Pend-Gone | Lexar is repackaged Panasonic and Sandisk chips |
| 19:10.57 | Pend-Gone | so if you can tell the difference, never buy panasonic or sandisk |
| 19:11.16 | Pend-Gone | I haven't found a good description how to tell, but it's out there somewhere |
| 19:11.39 | kyngel | So what's the best large SD card to buy? |
| 19:12.14 | Pend-Gone | on a Zaurus SD is as fast as MMC |
| 19:12.25 | kyngel | Keeping in mind that we'd like to spend under $300 for 512mb. |
| 19:12.35 | Pend-Gone | so I'd buy whatever the largest lexar which is panasonic repackaging I could find |
| 19:12.39 | kyngel | Okay. |
| 19:12.48 | Pend-Gone | yeah prob around 512mb |
| 19:13.08 | Pend-Gone | 1gb is a bit newer and not as cheap ($ per mb) |
| 19:13.15 | kyngel | With all of the horror stories, I'm waiting for our Sandisk 256 to explode or something. :) |
| 19:14.03 | Pend-Gone | not all sandisk's are bad, there's generally batchs of bad ones |
| 19:14.14 | kyngel | Well, this one's gone all morning with no problem. |
| 19:14.16 | Pend-Gone | if yours falls within it, return it if you can, else you should be fine |
| 19:14.23 | kyngel | Well, relatively little problem. :) |
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| 19:16.34 | kyngel | A few more checksum errors than I'd like, but I get those on the CF card as well. |
| 19:17.04 | Pend-Gone | SD CF card? |
| 19:17.18 | kyngel | Apacer CF card. |
| 19:17.33 | Pend-Gone | not familiar with that brand |
| 19:17.43 | kyngel | Looks like a photography card to me. |
| 19:18.00 | kyngel | It's worked great so far, though. I've run chrooted Debian off it for a while. |
| 19:18.38 | Pend-Gone | I have a lexar SD and lexar CF, thus far no problems |
| 19:18.48 | Pend-Gone | although the SD is smaller than I would have liked |
| 19:18.57 | Pend-Gone | had the store had a larger one that day |
| 19:18.57 | kyngel | Well, I suspect I'd get the checksum errors with any brand. |
| 19:19.05 | kyngel | Inherent weakness of trying to run this system on the Z. |
| 19:25.43 | Pend-Gone | chrooted debian full or the debian zaurus thing |
| 19:26.04 | kyngel | Pocket Workstation debian. |
| 19:26.08 | kyngel | http://www.w-m-p.com/pocketworkstation/ |
| 19:27.02 | Pend-Gone | and you actually like it over oz? |
| 19:27.21 | kyngel | Not really, but it was necessary that we run a Tk app. |
| 19:27.25 | kyngel | For which we needed X. |
| 19:28.06 | Pend-Gone | why not use qtopia-x ? |
| 19:28.47 | kyngel | Tried it. It was just easier to work stuff out under debian. |
| 19:29.04 | kyngel | Apt-get was nice for getting some of the packages quickly. |
| 19:30.05 | kyngel | Besides, there was a little more overhead than I'd have liked. Debian ran smoother. |
| 19:32.02 | kyngel | Less errors on our logging program, which is my priority right now. |
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| 19:43.17 | sashz | night ppl |
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| 19:48.53 | spock | . |
| 19:55.09 | SP-work | has anyone here gotten the socket revision "G" card to work on their Z? |
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| 19:57.03 | treke | SP-work: is it an 802.11g card? |
| 19:59.34 | SP-work | bluetooth actually.. guess i shoulda said that |
| 20:00.22 | SP-work | the affix 2.0.3 kernel changelog says it supports the socket 2.5 (aka "revision G") card but I coudlnt get it to work |
| 20:00.54 | SP-work | in no place could i find it mentioned that bluez worked properly with it.. |
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| 20:29.22 | TCMAN | hi |
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| 20:50.50 | kyngel | Whee... massive amounts of Z stuff ordered. |
| 20:51.14 | fliplap | what model? |
| 20:51.27 | kyngel | SL-5500. |
| 20:51.40 | flipPDA | word |
| 20:51.48 | kyngel | 8 of 'em. |
| 20:52.07 | flipPDA | good stuff |
| 20:52.12 | flipPDA | thats what i have |
| 20:52.12 | kyngel | Yeah. |
| 20:52.32 | kyngel | It's what I have too... I'll be glad to get my personal one back, now that we'll have dedicated work ones. :) |
| 20:52.50 | kyngel | It's been sitting too long hooked up to a serial GPS, power source, network, and SD card. :) |
| 20:52.59 | flipPDA | heh |
| 20:53.24 | fliplap | mine is just connected to my box until i get an AP for this place |
| 20:53.43 | fliplap | had to take apart the cradle so i could use the keyboard while its connected |
| 20:54.03 | kyngel | We just ordered 8 of the ZThinCables, too. |
| 20:54.22 | fliplap | the what? |
| 20:54.26 | kyngel | Since we want to use the keyboards, and they're gonna be serial-connected 24/7. |
| 20:54.40 | fliplap | cradle replacement kinda cable i take it? |
| 20:56.04 | kyngel | No, RS232 cable. |
| 20:56.10 | fliplap | ah |
| 20:56.12 | kyngel | We're using the serial port to hook it up to a GPS. |
| 20:56.54 | KhensU | i've done that |
| 20:57.38 | kyngel | Yep. |
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| 22:32.54 | Hellaenergy | hi everybody |
| 22:33.15 | kergoth | yo hella |
| 22:33.31 | Hellaenergy | How have you been kergoth? |
| 22:33.40 | Hellaenergy | How is OpenZaurus? |
| 22:34.01 | Hellaenergy | I saw that they released QT 3.2 and I thought of you guys :) |
| 22:34.23 | kergoth | back in kernel stuff |
| 22:34.33 | kergoth | got the battery switch working under 2.4.21 on the z |
| 22:34.59 | Hellaenergy | nice |
| 22:35.15 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: What Z are you sporttin now-a-days? |
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| 22:37.05 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: 5500 w/ busted TS digitizer, c700 on loan from dynamism (have to send it back within a week or so), jason's 5600 so i could get oz on it |
| 22:37.14 | kergoth | so really all I have thats mine is the 5500 |
| 22:37.33 | Hellaenergy | how is that c700? |
| 22:37.47 | Neo|Work | kergoth: buy yourself a new one. :) |
| 22:38.04 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: the c7x0 pdas are amazing |
| 22:38.14 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: i highly recommend the c750 or c760 if you're in the market |
| 22:38.25 | kergoth | Neo|Work: thinking i'll get something new for testing. ipaq or axim or something |
| 22:38.36 | Hellaenergy | ibot: c760 |
| 22:38.37 | | bugger all, i dunno, Hellaenergy |
| 22:38.44 | Hellaenergy | ibot: c7x0 |
| 22:38.44 | | Hellaenergy: are you using Windows? |
| 22:38.52 | kergoth | google it |
| 22:38.57 | George- | ibot: you suck. |
| 22:38.58 | | hey, i'm on lunchbreak, screw off |
| 22:39.10 | George- | ibot: you sick fucking bastard |
| 22:39.10 | | George-: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 22:39.20 | George- | ibot: well, the brain won't be. |
| 22:39.20 | | George-: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 22:39.25 | George- | ibot: no. |
| 22:39.26 | | extra, extra, read all about it, no. is that non-fp ? |
| 22:39.34 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 22:39.43 | kergoth | ibot: no. is <reply> see no |
| 22:39.43 | | ...but no. is already something else... |
| 22:39.47 | kergoth | ibot: yes. is <reply> see yes |
| 22:39.47 | | kergoth: okay |
| 22:39.51 | kergoth | ibot: no, no. is <reply> see no |
| 22:39.52 | | okay, kergoth |
| 22:39.56 | kergoth | ibot: no. |
| 22:39.56 | | YES |
| 22:40.00 | kergoth | there |
| 22:40.00 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:40.08 | Hellaenergy | I wish they would throw a mobile phone in one of the z's |
| 22:40.21 | Hellaenergy | then I would bye another one |
| 22:40.44 | Hellaenergy | OpenPDA? |
| 22:40.49 | George- | ibot: no |
| 22:40.49 | | YES |
| 22:40.54 | George- | ibot: get stuffed. |
| 22:40.54 | | ACTION gets stuffed and sods off |
| 22:41.01 | George- | thank god for that. |
| 22:41.44 | kergoth | TS and SD are the only remaining items, other than a couple minor bugfixes, holding up the release of oz using 2.4.21 |
| 22:43.05 | George- | kergoth: do you have an SD driver for 2.4.21? |
| 22:43.51 | kergoth | the 2.4.18 module will likely work |
| 22:43.58 | kergoth | but handhelds.org has a mmd driver that supports sd cards, thats open source |
| 22:44.10 | kergoth | so optimally we just add Z support to it, and we're set. |
| 22:44.12 | TCMAN | kergoth: for 5500 ? |
| 22:44.16 | kergoth | s/mmd/mmc/ |
| 22:44.22 | kergoth | yeah i'm doing collie work atm |
| 22:44.31 | kergoth | i'll be pulling corgi, shepherd, and poodle into this tree next |
| 22:44.52 | kergoth | so they'll all share the benefits like the sane backlight drivers, updated bluetooth, updated wireless extensions, etc |
| 22:45.03 | TCMAN | yay! |
| 22:45.22 | TCMAN | so there will be opensource fixable driver for sdmmc :))) |
| 22:45.31 | kergoth | oh |
| 22:45.32 | kergoth | and it uses hotplug |
| 22:45.34 | kergoth | no stupid daemon |
| 22:45.37 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:45.38 | TCMAN | who wrote it so i can send him a case of beer ? |
| 22:46.12 | TCMAN | :)) |
| 22:46.55 | TCMAN | btw, in 10 minutes on #bjorn3d, there will be interview with nvidia driver ppl |
| 22:47.03 | TCMAN | fun! :) |
| 22:47.08 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 22:47.58 | Hellaenergy | Looks like no Doom III for the Z this year :( |
| 22:48.21 | Hellaenergy | Do the new Z processors have FPU? |
| 22:48.35 | TCMAN | nope, no fpu |
| 22:48.52 | Hellaenergy | They need to hurry up on that |
| 22:49.05 | TCMAN | first company to release pda with fpu gets my money, even if its palm or dell :) |
| 22:49.08 | Hellaenergy | What about a hologram screen? |
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| 22:56.44 | oGMo | i want a wearable PDA with unobtrusive HUD |
| 22:57.09 | TCMAN | for me just an OLED display please :) |
| 22:57.24 | oGMo | and it should run linux, or bust |
| 22:58.17 | oGMo | TCMAN: what are you wanting an FPU for..? |
| 22:58.31 | Hellaenergy | oGMo: Games Man |
| 22:59.08 | oGMo | the Z runs snes9x, doom, and scummvm... what more do you want! ;) |
| 22:59.13 | oGMo | and some gb emus |
| 22:59.44 | Hellaenergy | Doom III |
| 23:00.06 | Hellaenergy | later all |
| 23:00.37 | TCMAN | oGMo: crunching numbers |
| 23:00.53 | TCMAN | oGMo: it would help quake greatly too |
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| 23:05.33 | fliplap | heh, "runs" snes9x |
| 23:09.43 | oGMo | TCMAN: true |
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| 23:11.25 | fliplap | is there an snes9x for fb yet? |
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| 23:15.19 | oGMo | fliplap: zsi. |
| 23:15.35 | oGMo | sdl port that supposedly runs fine except it's slow with sound |
| 23:15.58 | oGMo | otoh, i've got my GBA if i want portable games... although that dragonebane2 game looks nifty |
| 23:16.08 | oGMo | i've been wanting a nice dungeon crawler |
| 23:16.16 | fliplap | outstanding |
| 23:16.46 | fliplap | hadn't check zsi for awhile, was only the X11 one last i checked |
| 23:17.18 | fliplap | ok, fix this bug, then i can play with that |
| 23:19.12 | oGMo | yeah, there was a whole bunch of stuff updated, but unfortunately i dind't see a zaurus-software message ;/ |
| 23:20.08 | kergoth | hrm |
| 23:20.49 | kergoth | didnt they move the mailing list? |
| 23:20.53 | fliplap | if its as good as it says it will be mighty sweet, i use zfceu all the time |
| 23:21.11 | mirko | can somone test my og stream ?? http://mirko.dnip.net:9999/test.ogg |
| 23:22.04 | fliplap | its mighty slow |
| 23:22.17 | fliplap | ^to mirko |
| 23:22.41 | mirko | how slow ? |
| 23:23.01 | fliplap | like i didn't both waiting for it to finish caching slow |
| 23:23.10 | fliplap | bother that is |
| 23:23.21 | mirko | set the cache to 32k |
| 23:25.02 | fliplap | guess i didn't compile ogg into mplayer |
| 23:25.15 | mirko | shit, and xmms ? |
| 23:25.23 | fliplap | there nethier |
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| 23:29.28 | kergoth | hrmmm |
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| 23:36.20 | prh | kergoth: any sign of 750 images ? |
| 23:36.34 | kergoth | nah, been working on collie instead of shepherd |
| 23:36.41 | kergoth | got 2.4.21 working real nice on it |
| 23:36.54 | prh | oooh! nice work. including sd? |
| 23:37.03 | kergoth | sd and ts are the only remaining items |
| 23:37.03 | prh | collie being 56? |
| 23:37.09 | George- | hahaha, the 750 is called shepherd?? |
| 23:37.10 | kergoth | the binary only sd module may very well work as is |
| 23:37.11 | kergoth | ibot: collie |
| 23:37.12 | | well, collie is sharp sl-5500 and sl-5000d, or a dog |
| 23:37.13 | prh | Ah |
| 23:37.14 | kergoth | George-: yeah |
| 23:37.17 | kergoth | George-: c760 is husky |
| 23:37.18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:37.22 | George- | kergoth: rofl |
| 23:37.36 | kergoth | File format not recognized: failed to merge target specific data of file armksyms.o |
| 23:37.40 | kergoth | arm-linux-ld: Error: io.o uses hard floating point, whereas kernel.o uses soft floating point |
| 23:37.40 | prh | why dogs I wonder. cos stuff runs like a dog? |
| 23:37.43 | kergoth | File format not recognized: failed to merge target specific data of file io.o |
| 23:37.45 | kergoth | god i hate the floating point mismatch errors |
| 23:38.07 | prh | hmm |
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| 23:38.15 | kergoth | hmm, wonder whyi run into that error with buildroot but not building it outside buildroot |
| 23:38.20 | kergoth | must be one of our optimzation flags hosing it |
| 23:39.13 | kergoth | aha, no |
| 23:39.19 | kergoth | it builds properly with gcc 3.3, but not with 2.95.3 |
| 23:39.21 | kergoth | what a switch |
| 23:39.30 | kergoth | guess i bette rapply that patch schurig did |
| 23:42.36 | kergoth | hey ChipX86 |
| 23:42.45 | ChipX86 | hey kergoth |
| 23:42.53 | ChipX86 | hows it going? |
| 23:43.02 | kergoth | pretty well |
| 23:43.09 | kergoth | you? |
| 23:43.11 | ChipX86 | not bad |
| 23:44.21 | ChipX86 | going to try to get a new version of tickypip released today, and then continue on qpe-gaim |
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| 23:45.38 | kergoth | ah cool |
| 23:49.57 | George- | kergoth: are you ever going to release an OZ build for collie with kernel 2.4.19? :) |
| 23:50.10 | kergoth | no |
| 23:50.16 | George- | you bastard. |
| 23:50.18 | kergoth | i'm going to release an OZ collie image with 2.4.21 |
| 23:50.33 | George- | but.. 2.4.19 isn't finished yet! |
| 23:50.42 | kergoth | who cares? |
| 23:51.05 | George- | hah |
| 23:51.44 | George- | and when 2.4.22 comes out.. ;) |
| 23:52.28 | George- | "but 2.4.21 isn't finished yet!" |
| 23:52.30 | George- | "who cares?" |
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| 23:57.31 | treke | George-: If 2.4.22 comes out and 2.4.21 isnt done, no one will still be using the zaurus |
| 23:58.18 | George- | hahaha |
| 23:58.24 | George- | I will |
