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| 00:45.31 | aTypical | Hello |
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| 00:48.42 | Xumbi | anyone here running debian on their z? |
| 00:49.18 | aTypical | Xumbi: Not me. I like Sharp's 3.1. Anything good in Debian? |
| 00:49.38 | Xumbi | well, there's lots of potential, if only I could get it to work |
| 00:49.59 | aTypical | Is it difficult to install? |
| 00:50.52 | Xumbi | not really, but configuring it is what I'm having trouble with |
| 00:51.17 | Xumbi | all you do to install it is untar it onto a big SD card (just got a 256MB SD) |
| 00:51.19 | kergoth | you realize you can install .deb's fromd ebian/ARM into OZ directly, right? |
| 00:51.37 | kergoth | ipkg install blah.deb |
| 00:51.42 | Xumbi | yeah, I heard about that |
| 00:51.53 | Xumbi | haven't tried it yet |
| 00:52.05 | Xumbi | but I really want to run a full linux distro |
| 00:52.06 | kergoth | being chrootable is useful, but thats about the only thing you gain w/ debian |
| 00:52.11 | kergoth | OZ is a linux distro |
| 00:52.18 | kergoth | if you want say, bash for example, install it. |
| 00:52.26 | kergoth | its just the *default* state thats minimal |
| 00:52.27 | Xumbi | what about "paste" |
| 00:52.31 | Xumbi | paste seems to be missing |
| 00:52.35 | kergoth | so install it |
| 00:52.39 | Xumbi | I guess I could find the .deb? |
| 00:52.46 | kergoth | try ipkgfind |
| 00:52.50 | kergoth | that checks OZ and familiar |
| 00:52.54 | Xumbi | hmmm |
| 00:52.56 | kergoth | if the ipk isnt avail, then fall back to debian/ARM |
| 00:52.57 | Xumbi | I'll try it |
| 00:53.43 | Xumbi | ipkgfind seems to be missing also |
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| 00:54.24 | kergoth | what? |
| 00:54.27 | kergoth | ipkgfind != command |
| 00:54.32 | kergoth | ipkgfind.handhelds.org |
| 00:54.35 | kergoth | heh |
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| 00:54.38 | Xumbi | oh, ok |
| 00:54.46 | kergoth | feel free to write a cmdline app ala rpmfind |
| 00:55.18 | Xumbi | hmmm, no paste :( |
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| 00:55.33 | Xumbi | that would be cool |
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| 00:56.24 | cleverdra | cleverdra - repeat after me: 4 days till payday. 4 days till payday. 4 days till payda. |
| 00:56.38 | cleverdra | Xumbi - curiously, what does 'paste' do? |
| 00:57.07 | Xumbi | it's a standard shell command, it does what you would expect it to do |
| 00:57.17 | Xumbi | inserts text into variables/files |
| 00:58.16 | cleverdra | I've no idea and no expectations, and your description doesn't describe it for me. But nevermind. |
| 00:58.53 | Xumbi | uh, it pastes stuff |
| 00:59.13 | Xumbi | I need it for a class I'm taking |
| 00:59.15 | cleverdra | I'm still in the dark, Xumbi. |
| 01:00.03 | highvoltz | I think the file system on my sd card is screwed up. How do I format it on my zaurus? |
| 01:00.43 | cleverdra | high - I'd try 'mke2fs /dev/mmcda1', but my only SD card appears to be incompatible with my Z. |
| 01:00.53 | Xumbi | The paste utility concatenates the corresponding lines of the given input files, replacing all but the last file's newline characters with a single tab character, and writes the resulting lines to standard output. If end-of-file is reached on an input file while other input files still contain data, the file is treated as if it were an endless source of empty lines. |
| 01:01.17 | Xumbi | there's the description right off the man page :) |
| 01:02.37 | cleverdra | for x in $foo; do perl -pe 'y-\n--d' < file1 >> $bar; echo >> $bar; done |
| 01:03.22 | cleverdra | or even y-\n-\t-, but that doesn't handle 'the last file's newline character' |
| 01:03.47 | cleverdra | An odd command. Not something I'd consider 'a standard shell command', but maybe it is and I've just never heard of it. |
| 01:04.11 | cleverdra | oh, 'corresponding lines'. |
| 01:04.30 | cleverdra | Something for tab-delimited databases. Eww =) |
| 01:04.41 | Xumbi | I'm taking a unix shell programming course and it's one of the commands we use, along with cut, sed, tr, etc. |
| 01:04.57 | Xumbi | yeah, not practical |
| 01:05.26 | cleverdra | Xumbi - does your shell programming course teach you that everything with stdio is scriptable, with examples of scripted ftp, etc? |
| 01:05.44 | Xumbi | not yet, but I assume we'll get to that |
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| 01:08.17 | Xumbi | argh, I want to reformat my sd card, umount keeps saying "device is busy" |
| 01:09.14 | cleverdra | Xumbi - Do you have a shell chdir'd to it, by any chance? |
| 01:09.42 | cleverdra | Xumbi - you could always reboot the Z and go straight to a shell, and try in that environment. |
| 01:09.44 | highvoltz | cleverdra: thanks, that fixed it |
| 01:10.18 | Xumbi | nope, I'm not in it |
| 01:10.28 | Xumbi | how do you go right to the shell in OZ? |
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| 01:11.21 | cleverdra | In OZ, you can kill OPIE from 'shutdown' (and then press a certain key when Wait... comes up?) or press a certain key when Wait... comes up on boot. |
| 01:11.29 | cleverdra | It's a FAQ. |
| 01:16.58 | Xumbi | I can't seem to find it in the OZ FAQ |
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| 01:55.55 | wardriver | i got a program that when i uninstall it from the system with package manager, it stays! it stays in the list as if i never removed it |
| 01:56.16 | doughecka | lol |
| 01:56.32 | doughecka | you discovered the ipkg then, I see :) |
| 01:57.06 | wardriver | riiiggghhhhttttt |
| 01:57.18 | doughecka | I have that problem too |
| 01:57.18 | wardriver | so how do i get it to become officialy removed? |
| 01:57.25 | doughecka | ipkg officialy sucks |
| 01:57.36 | doughecka | :) |
| 01:57.44 | doughecka | I dont know, I just reflash |
| 01:57.50 | chouimat|away | doughecka: sssshhh my gf is listening |
| 01:58.05 | doughecka | ur away, how can she listen |
| 01:58.10 | hardwire | FUDGYWUGGLES! |
| 01:58.14 | wardriver | how many times can you reflash before you get to the center of the lollipop, or howmany times can you flash before you can flash no more |
| 01:58.16 | chouimat|away | she's not |
| 01:58.29 | doughecka | about 1 million times |
| 01:58.41 | doughecka | hrm, or was it 10million |
| 01:59.53 | wardriver | once you get your system to where you want it, how can you build a flash image of it? |
| 02:00.05 | doughecka | dunno |
| 02:00.07 | doughecka | :) |
| 02:00.12 | doughecka | I aint much help, arnt I |
| 02:00.26 | doughecka | but you can try like, dumping everything to a CF card or somethin |
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| 02:05.07 | warmi | hi |
| 02:05.25 | doughecka | wormi! |
| 02:05.33 | doughecka | hows the fish biting? |
| 02:05.37 | hardwire | mwa |
| 02:05.38 | hardwire | ha |
| 02:05.52 | doughecka | :) |
| 02:05.58 | hardwire | so |
| 02:06.02 | hardwire | you are a wozniak huh |
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| 02:06.16 | warmi | speaking of fish biting .. I actually had some this afternoon |
| 02:06.18 | doughecka | yup |
| 02:06.24 | hardwire | that is a crazy name |
| 02:06.26 | mewyn | hey warmi |
| 02:06.39 | mewyn | warmi: you went fishing? |
| 02:06.52 | doughecka | with warms? |
| 02:06.53 | hardwire | for chicka! |
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| 02:07.13 | cyn | http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Jun/bpd20030611020369.htm |
| 02:07.38 | wardriver | in ipkg, what does the little star next to the blue ball indicate? |
| 02:07.59 | doughecka | cyn: wow |
| 02:08.05 | cyn | yeah |
| 02:08.06 | cyn | wow indeed |
| 02:08.13 | mewyn | anyone know how fast t-mobile's network is? |
| 02:08.14 | doughecka | 30 bucks |
| 02:08.15 | cyn | just.... wow. |
| 02:08.20 | doughecka | how fast? |
| 02:08.21 | cyn | 30 bucks if ya dont have a plan |
| 02:08.22 | doughecka | how fast. |
| 02:08.28 | cyn | generally a good 56k connection |
| 02:08.31 | doughecka | how fast is a good question |
| 02:08.34 | cyn | can be faster |
| 02:08.46 | cyn | up to like 192 iirc - haven't looked in a while |
| 02:08.59 | doughecka | wow |
| 02:09.02 | mewyn | i think i'll get their data only card... granted it can work in linux |
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| 02:10.13 | lnxguy-Zaurus | sup? |
| 02:10.38 | doughecka | https://accounts.hotspot.t-mobile.com/promo/Zaurus/signup.jsp |
| 02:10.41 | doughecka | I guess so |
| 02:10.48 | doughecka | they have a cool doohicky for the Z |
| 02:10.52 | doughecka | fits right on it |
| 02:12.04 | TheMasterMind1 | ?? |
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| 02:13.48 | cyn | so it's just a cf gprs modem |
| 02:14.07 | cyn | ohhhhhhhh no no nonononono |
| 02:14.15 | cyn | hotspot isn't what you want |
| 02:14.21 | cyn | hotspot is 802.11b |
| 02:14.28 | cyn | at specific locations |
| 02:14.39 | doughecka | yea |
| 02:14.44 | doughecka | but they have another thing |
| 02:14.53 | doughecka | its a neat little card that plugs into the cf |
| 02:14.57 | doughecka | fits the Z perfectly |
| 02:15.37 | hardwire | eh? |
| 02:15.53 | doughecka | cellular, but I cant find the link |
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| 02:16.22 | Solar[X] | Too bad that'd only be available by 2012 over here :/ |
| 02:16.34 | doughecka | lol |
| 02:16.39 | cleverdra | Solar - over where? |
| 02:16.45 | Solar[X] | Holland |
| 02:16.55 | Solar[X] | And I don't mean Holland, IN. |
| 02:17.19 | Solar[X] | http://www.petersonsales.org/ads/cfgsm/18.JPG |
| 02:17.30 | doughecka | das nederlands |
| 02:17.35 | Solar[X] | Heh |
| 02:17.52 | Solar[X] | That was an awful attemt resulting in a combination of Dutch and German |
| 02:17.54 | cleverdra | Solar - which state is your Holland in, then? |
| 02:17.55 | Solar[X] | +p |
| 02:18.05 | Solar[X] | Heh it's called "Europe". |
| 02:18.07 | doughecka | :) |
| 02:18.16 | cleverdra | Europe? ... a New England city? |
| 02:18.33 | doughecka | I think so |
| 02:18.40 | doughecka | up near maine |
| 02:19.15 | Solar[X] | Nah, Holland as in the Netherlands. |
| 02:19.29 | doughecka | oooh, in canada? |
| 02:19.33 | Solar[X] | Doh |
| 02:19.43 | cleverdra | dough - one of their provinces, I guess. |
| 02:19.52 | doughecka | yea |
| 02:20.04 | doughecka | btw, new york was called new holland or something at one time |
| 02:20.33 | Solar[X] | Lots of areas in NY have Dutch names. |
| 02:20.58 | Solar[X] | I believe we sold it to the British for 10 shiploads of tea or something. |
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| 02:21.37 | doughecka | which the british promptly lost |
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| 02:22.09 | doughecka | huh |
| 02:22.23 | Solar[X] | Hm? |
| 02:22.27 | zauruslover | doughecka : Hello |
| 02:22.46 | doughecka | I cant find that link to the tmobile zaurus page |
| 02:22.59 | cyn | don't bother with it |
| 02:23.03 | cyn | it's not zaurus specific |
| 02:23.15 | cyn | it's just an advertisement for their wifi hotspots @ borders/etc. |
| 02:23.25 | doughecka | no, I did find it |
| 02:34.23 | wardriver | `/join wellenreiter |
| 02:54.38 | cyn | html :P |
| 02:54.56 | cyn | i don't think you want to do much java devel on the Z, could be mistaken |
| 02:55.13 | cyn | i've heard swing is unbearable even on the 400mhz optimized w/ cache |
| 02:58.13 | cleverdra | the HTML-related ThinSomething GUI for Java looks nice, though. |
| 03:03.09 | chouimat|ZzZzz | night |
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| 04:30.04 | omoore | anyone know if there would be any takers to an offer of $2500 to someone to code an open-source java library for recording/playback of audio on the Zaurus? |
| 04:30.26 | omoore | or an open-source effort i could offer a donation to do this? |
| 04:30.49 | omoore | i know JMF will work on the Z for playback.. so half the work is done.. but... |
| 04:31.00 | omoore | i do not know of a way to record, using Java |
| 04:31.11 | omoore | on the Z |
| 04:32.34 | omoore | no gui work even.. just a java library, that allows you to do via java (essentially) what the voice recorder allows you to do (from a playback/record perspective).. |
| 04:32.52 | omoore | would be no need for ability to reposition, etc. |
| 04:33.51 | warmi | omoore: why can't you just use one of the existing Linux recording apps ? |
| 04:33.59 | warmi | event comand line or soemthing like that ? |
| 04:34.17 | omoore | warmi: because you hook to it vai the Runtime libraries... |
| 04:34.27 | omoore | warmi: and i want a pure Java solution |
| 04:35.02 | omoore | i use shine for recording mp3 now, and mplayer for playback behind the scenes... |
| 04:35.12 | omoore | but this is just not desireable to me |
| 04:35.21 | omoore | i want it to be pure java... |
| 04:35.38 | warmi | ah well, then well, does java even have interface for recording stuff ? |
| 04:35.40 | omoore | hmm... |
| 04:35.44 | omoore | oh hell yeah... |
| 04:35.50 | omoore | java rocks for audio |
| 04:35.56 | omoore | amazing what you can do... |
| 04:35.57 | warmi | I mean after all java is not like C .. you can' really open a device etc |
| 04:36.04 | omoore | sure you can |
| 04:36.12 | omoore | i can open /dev/dsp etc... |
| 04:36.24 | warmi | well, I never done much client side java :-) |
| 04:36.26 | omoore | warmi: you dont' do java do you :) |
| 04:36.34 | omoore | client side java rocks on the z |
| 04:36.47 | warmi | that's my day job .. but only server stuff |
| 04:36.49 | omoore | but i think we've had that discussion already ;-) |
| 04:36.51 | treke|wherever | does java have an equivalent to ioctl? |
| 04:36.57 | omoore | help me.. |
| 04:36.58 | warmi | yeah |
| 04:37.03 | omoore | what is ioclt.. oh io control? |
| 04:37.07 | treke|wherever | yes |
| 04:37.08 | omoore | er.. ctl |
| 04:37.11 | omoore | sure... |
| 04:37.25 | omoore | you can communicate direcly with devices, and it uses "streams" for io |
| 04:37.31 | warmi | yeah, you open a device and each device has a special set of commands which you can access thru ioctl |
| 04:37.49 | warmi | the closest thing to unififed device driver interface Unix has |
| 04:37.51 | omoore | ok.. maybe i'm not understanding.. i'll let warmi talk :) |
| 04:38.05 | omoore | what about using oss? |
| 04:38.14 | treke|wherever | that's what oss is |
| 04:38.18 | omoore | i'm not a c/c++ coder.. so forgive but... |
| 04:38.31 | omoore | java can be made to link to native libraries... |
| 04:38.38 | omoore | er.. c/c++ libraries |
| 04:38.42 | warmi | is there java native interface to oss ? |
| 04:38.50 | omoore | don' know about that... |
| 04:38.51 | omoore | but... |
| 04:39.00 | omoore | you can link to c/c++ stuff within java |
| 04:39.04 | warmi | frankly, it won't be pure java but hell, at some point you have to hit hardware :-) |
| 04:39.10 | omoore | right... |
| 04:39.18 | treke|wherever | omoore: you use ioctl() to set up a device, then you read and write the data to the /dev/dsp device |
| 04:39.20 | omoore | i don't mind if i link to a c lib... |
| 04:39.43 | omoore | but hate using the Runtime library to "interactively" work with a command line program |
| 04:39.55 | omoore | treke|wherever: question about usning oss tho.. |
| 04:40.03 | treke|wherever | omoore: what do you mean? |
| 04:40.13 | omoore | treke|wherever: i'll expalin... |
| 04:40.22 | warmi | omoore : well, have you looked for any sort of java based Linux libs/code etc .. it doesn't have to be zaurus specific |
| 04:40.24 | warmi | ? |
| 04:40.37 | omoore | warmi: it does in that most things use the java.sound.* api... |
| 04:40.51 | omoore | warmi: and that pacakage isn't available on the insignia jvm |
| 04:40.59 | warmi | fuck .. I didn't even know there was such thing ... |
| 04:41.00 | warmi | heh |
| 04:41.23 | warmi | I don't go beyond standard stuff + jdbc :-) |
| 04:41.46 | omoore | sorry ... daughter.. |
| 04:41.48 | omoore | anyway... |
| 04:41.52 | warmi | well, then most likely the only option would be to write native library |
| 04:41.58 | omoore | treke,warmi... |
| 04:42.13 | omoore | oss is a complete library for dealing with sound on linux, yes? |
| 04:42.19 | treke|wherever | no |
| 04:42.23 | omoore | ahh |
| 04:42.35 | omoore | i need to educate myself more on it hten |
| 04:42.45 | djr | my pda has an uptime of 10 days |
| 04:42.46 | djr | hehe |
| 04:42.47 | warmi | http://www.linux.org.uk/OSS/ |
| 04:42.56 | omoore | djr: that's all?!?! |
| 04:43.21 | omoore | djr: :-) i never reboot mine .. hell. my pda out does my desktop on uptime :-D |
| 04:43.29 | djr | hehe |
| 04:43.32 | djr | i dunno about that for me |
| 04:43.32 | warmi | uh . .never mind that link :-) |
| 04:43.42 | treke|wherever | http://www.opensound.com/pguide/index.html |
| 04:43.43 | djr | Hostname: inexistent.ath.cx - OS: FreeBSD 4.8-RC/i386 - CPU: 2 x Intel Pentium III (999.53-MHz 686-class CPU) - Processes: 97 - Uptime: 85d 21h 54m - Load Average: 2.00 - Memory Usage: 210.89mb/1021.20mb (20.65%) - Disk Usage: 212.24gb/236.88gb (89.60%) |
| 04:43.54 | warmi | yeah, that's the correct link |
| 04:44.16 | warmi | another problem .. I am not sure about latest roms but original 5500 OSS implementation was flawed |
| 04:44.17 | omoore | cool.. thx.. i'll read it |
| 04:44.24 | warmi | basically half-done piece of crap :-) |
| 04:44.25 | omoore | i'm on 5600 |
| 04:44.29 | djr|z | Hostname: openzaurus - OS: Linux 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix/armv4l - CPU: Intel StrongARM-1110 rev 9 (v4l) - Processes: 49 - Uptime: 10d 18h 59m - Load Average: 2.05 - Memory Usage: 22.41mb/60.79mb (36.87%) - Disk Usage: 0.41gb/0.47gb (87.02%) |
| 04:44.34 | omoore | and deployment will be on 5600's |
| 04:44.44 | warmi | well, I don't know nothing about 5600 though |
| 04:44.44 | djr | hehe |
| 04:44.48 | warmi | perhaps they fixed that issue |
| 04:45.00 | omoore | they changed things a bit on the sound for 5600 |
| 04:45.03 | djr | thats on unstable packages, oz 3.3.1 or something and opie 0.9.9 |
| 04:45.07 | omoore | for the better it appears |
| 04:46.35 | warmi | well, unfortunately recording sound on zaurus using java is not exactly something you will find a lot of info on the net :-) , if I were to write something like that in JAva I would simply copy existing code that does this in C++ (like memo app) and create Java interface for that |
| 04:46.46 | omoore | no kidding |
| 04:46.52 | omoore | i've looked |
| 04:47.23 | omoore | i'm willing to do something at a linking level.. ie.. so long as i can capture events properly... |
| 04:47.29 | treke|wherever | take the code from opie-rec |
| 04:47.40 | warmi | as I said, your best bet is to find any code that does what you want ( memo app comes to mind) and interface with it or perhaps some sort of generic native library made of it |
| 04:47.46 | omoore | i just don't want to (as i currently am) use a command line program and do interactions with it |
| 04:47.48 | treke|wherever | that handles recording |
| 04:47.53 | omoore | yeah |
| 04:48.08 | warmi | omoore : you are saying you are willing to pay $2500 for that ? |
| 04:48.09 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:48.10 | omoore | treke|wherever: k.. i'll struggle thru it |
| 04:48.14 | treke|wherever | then you can pipe it through an mp3 recorder |
| 04:48.17 | omoore | warmi: no :) |
| 04:48.23 | warmi | heh |
| 04:48.40 | omoore | warmi: i'd spend 2500 of my personal money on a pure java implementation |
| 04:48.42 | treke|wherever | I'm sure ljp would do the work for you for 2500 bucks :p |
| 04:48.45 | djr | i want to learn arm asm |
| 04:49.06 | treke|wherever | hell for 2500 bucks, he'd probably learn java |
| 04:49.20 | omoore | warmi: so long as it was kept as open-source |
| 04:49.54 | omoore | heh |
| 04:50.05 | cleverdra | aiiee. |
| 04:50.06 | warmi | http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/opie/noncore/multimedia/opierec/ |
| 04:50.17 | warmi | source code for opie-record |
| 04:50.25 | warmi | treke : lol |
| 04:50.40 | warmi | http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/opie/noncore/multimedia/opierec/device.cpp?rev=1.2&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 04:50.54 | warmi | particular this file - handles interaction with the device itself |
| 04:51.42 | omoore | maybe i'll spend a couple days learning the icky particulars of interacting with a c/c++ library from java |
| 04:51.51 | warmi | it just needs to be ripped off and made into native library with java inteface - a couple of days work at most |
| 04:52.03 | omoore | oh yeah. i see what you are saying... |
| 04:52.12 | omoore | re-develop it from scratch using java... |
| 04:52.18 | omoore | assuming it can be done |
| 04:52.22 | omoore | ie.. |
| 04:52.26 | warmi | yeah, asuming you know how to interface this stuff with JAva which I shouldn't be difficult but hey, I never done it so I should most likely shut up at this point |
| 04:52.27 | warmi | :-) |
| 04:52.33 | omoore | unless it inturn depends on other libraries |
| 04:52.39 | omoore | etc |
| 04:52.44 | treke|wherever | is mp3 encoding something you really want to be doing in java? :p |
| 04:52.53 | omoore | well.. |
| 04:52.57 | warmi | nah .. this is pure device work . no need for anything else |
| 04:53.08 | omoore | wav is fine |
| 04:53.10 | treke|wherever | I thought he wanted to record into mp3 |
| 04:53.10 | omoore | infact... |
| 04:53.15 | omoore | no... |
| 04:53.16 | warmi | but that's only for wav recording ... mp3 would be hard like hell .. I mean, java is not fast enough for this on Z :-) |
| 04:53.18 | omoore | format is unimportant |
| 04:53.35 | omoore | i'm *currently* using a command line mp3 encoder... shine |
| 04:53.38 | treke|wherever | I'd be surprised if anything could do realtime mp3 encoding on the z :p |
| 04:53.42 | omoore | but it's "so so" |
| 04:53.50 | omoore | oh hell. the z does great for it |
| 04:54.00 | omoore | even @ 128kbs |
| 04:55.23 | omoore | question if i use oss... |
| 04:55.26 | warmi | at one time I was thinking about writing Java wrapper for ZSurface but decided that it would be too much pain (who want's to write games for Z with JAva?) .. so I never learned how to do it ... |
| 04:55.52 | NeoTron | omoore: pay me $2500 and I'll get you recording from java. hehe |
| 04:56.09 | omoore | NeoTron: with a pure java library. no hooks to c/c++ |
| 04:56.14 | omoore | NeoTron: and open source? |
| 04:56.49 | NeoTron | sure, granted there's a way to do the needed ioctls and crap - perhaps that'd work using libc (i.e you NEED do to ioctls to set it up) |
| 04:57.14 | NeoTron | seriously, sure it doesn't already exist? |
| 04:57.19 | warmi | NeoTron : I am not sure Java will let you interface directly to ioctl |
| 04:57.21 | omoore | NeoTron: man.. i am looking... |
| 04:57.33 | warmi | I think C native code will be required |
| 04:57.53 | NeoTron | http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/docs/guide/sound/prog_guide/javasoundTOC.fm.html |
| 04:58.19 | omoore | java.sound.* isn't on the Z's insignia jvm packages |
| 04:58.38 | omoore | NeoTron: i use java.sound.* on the desktop |
| 04:58.40 | NeoTron | but they exist |
| 04:58.44 | NeoTron | port them |
| 04:58.48 | NeoTron | same OS, should be a snap |
| 04:58.51 | warmi | otherwise ommore most likely wouldn't be even asking these quesitions :-) |
| 04:59.10 | NeoTron | I mean, Linux is linux, as long as it's OSS vs OSS |
| 04:59.10 | warmi | is that Open Source ? |
| 04:59.12 | omoore | NeoTron: i'm not a c/c++ coder.. and have soo much on my plate now... |
| 04:59.33 | NeoTron | as far as I know it's opensource nowadays, but alas, dunno |
| 04:59.36 | NeoTron | never bothered to look |
| 04:59.50 | warmi | so pay Netron to do it ... outsource it :-) |
| 05:00.41 | warmi | ah .. I really like St. Anger ... never mind chouimat and mutexer bitchings about this album |
| 05:00.54 | warmi | but that's totally off the subject |
| 05:00.56 | warmi | :-) |
| 05:01.18 | omoore | ok.. well.. maybe i'll look into interfacing with oss |
| 05:02.24 | omoore | i know one dam thing.. once i have a working recod/play back library.. tha fscker's going on the Zaurus Software Index |
| 05:02.35 | omoore | er.. Java library |
| 05:02.37 | warmi | heh |
| 05:05.58 | warmi | well, good luck omoore: sorry couldn't be of more help but I don't really like using Java for anything other than backend style , database driven coding |
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| 05:06.50 | warmi | altought, I recently tried Jedit again ,, and it does work very nice on my desktop machine |
| 05:07.02 | warmi | perhaps there is still hope for desktop Java |
| 05:07.03 | warmi | heh |
| 05:07.17 | NeoTron | J2EE. Phear |
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| 05:08.09 | omoore | ok.. question... |
| 05:08.24 | omoore | i'm going to setup an environment for compiling c/c++ on for the z... |
| 05:08.25 | omoore | but... |
| 05:08.31 | NeoTron | and yes, my current job is J2EE... :P |
| 05:08.40 | omoore | it notes tthat GCC3.2 won't work... |
| 05:08.45 | omoore | and that it needs GCC2.95... |
| 05:08.49 | NeoTron | yes |
| 05:08.55 | omoore | i can install both i assume |
| 05:09.07 | NeoTron | http://docs.zaurus.com/index.php?id=linux_compiler_setup_howto |
| 05:09.18 | treke|wherever | you can install both, but it's a waste of time |
| 05:09.24 | treke|wherever | since you only want to use 2.95 |
| 05:09.27 | omoore | im on that page |
| 05:09.27 | NeoTron | you can use gcc 3 for stuff that doesn't use any C++ libraries actually (or most likely can) |
| 05:09.34 | DaWorm | and create more games! |
| 05:09.35 | DaWorm | :D |
| 05:10.03 | omoore | treke|wherever: but i do compile software packages from source many times |
| 05:10.09 | mutexer | hey warmi |
| 05:10.10 | warmi | NeoTron: well, frankly, we found ourselves using only small parts of J2EE like servlets and jdbc mostly |
| 05:10.18 | omoore | treke|wherever: what would the impact there be? |
| 05:10.19 | treke|wherever | NeoTron: Aren't glibc 2.3.2 apps incompatible with 2.2.4? |
| 05:10.33 | warmi | we don't do many transactions .. ejbs and all that crap is just too heavy for our needs |
| 05:10.38 | treke|wherever | omoore: same. Qtopia is closed source. |
| 05:10.51 | warmi | mutexer : hi |
| 05:10.59 | NeoTron | warmi: due to an idiotic policy decision, we're using various CMP entity (bad imho) and session beans (not really bad but overly complex for our needs) |
| 05:11.23 | NeoTron | treke|wherever: uh. gcc 3 doesn't mean glibc 2.3.2... Unless you use a binary compiled as such I guess |
| 05:11.45 | NeoTron | warmi: the entity beans especially is annoying and slow and all that |
| 05:11.50 | treke|wherever | NeoTron: ah. Thought gcc 3 required glibc 2.3 |
| 05:11.51 | warmi | NeoTron : these things are too fucking overenginnered and only fit very specific situations ( for example where most of your data is in a nice one table row - one object model) |
| 05:11.59 | NeoTron | warmi: I also have plain jdbc code in servlet and that's not bad really |
| 05:12.14 | warmi | yeah, it is fast, and it works |
| 05:12.21 | NeoTron | treke|wherever: Nah. I used gcc 3 before glibc 2.3 was out |
| 05:12.49 | NeoTron | glibc 2.3 is actually pretty compatiple with 2.2 but I don't know about backwards compatibilty of 2.3 running on 2.2 |
| 05:12.51 | warmi | mutexer : working on something for PPC these days ? |
| 05:13.12 | NeoTron | warmi: fast - semi-fast. In the very least, you know what the hell it's doing |
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| 05:13.21 | warmi | heh |
| 05:15.48 | omoore | i assume if i install gcc 2.95... |
| 05:16.01 | omoore | i'd need to install from source? and direct to a custom directory |
| 05:16.13 | omoore | if i don't want to tamper with my existing installation of gcc |
| 05:16.16 | omoore | yes/ |
| 05:16.18 | omoore | yes? |
| 05:20.50 | cleverdra | omoore - 2.95 is available as a binary package. Do you mean to ask about installation of gcc 3? |
| 05:21.51 | omoore | cleverdra: well.. i want to compile some things for th z.. but... |
| 05:21.59 | omoore | cleverdra: my distro uses 3.2.... |
| 05:22.11 | omoore | cleverdra: i want ot setup a dev env for compiling z apps |
| 05:22.17 | cleverdra | omoore - ah, OK. |
| 05:22.43 | omoore | the howto simply states the issue and instructs to install gcc 2.95... |
| 05:23.01 | omoore | but i'm unclear how this would affect my current gcc install... |
| 05:23.09 | NeoTron | omoore: it installs in /opt/Embeddix/ |
| 05:23.13 | omoore | as i do compile software from source.. and don't wnat to break that |
| 05:23.20 | NeoTron | it doesn't mix with your normal compiler |
| 05:23.30 | omoore | NeoTron: but where od i get the compiler insall? |
| 05:23.39 | mutexer | warmi: working on a 3d game for PC |
| 05:23.41 | omoore | the gcc-cross.... |
| 05:23.44 | omoore | stuff? |
| 05:23.49 | omoore | is that *all* i need? |
| 05:23.50 | NeoTron | http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/products/java2cs/ |
| 05:24.28 | NeoTron | not exactly nice licensing |
| 05:24.43 | NeoTron | if you don't want to compile qtopia stuff, sure |
| 05:25.09 | mutexer | can you actually use java without a qtopia license? |
| 05:25.24 | omoore | that's not what i'm saying |
| 05:25.30 | mutexer | I know you cant with C++ |
| 05:25.34 | omoore | i use java on the z now.. but ... |
| 05:25.53 | NeoTron | mutexer: I Was talking about the Java source licensing |
| 05:26.04 | omoore | i simply want a c/c++ development environment so i can compile some things for the z on my desktop |
| 05:26.34 | omoore | so the *arm* packages on the howto are enough to get there? |
| 05:26.42 | treke|wherever | mutexer: you shoudlnt need a license, since you only interact with jeode |
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| 05:26.56 | omoore | no license is necessary for java work on the z |
| 05:27.18 | Stryker | Just got my first Zaurus.. |
| 05:27.27 | Stryker | 5500 |
| 05:27.30 | omoore | welcome to coolville |
| 05:27.32 | Stryker | linux in my hand. |
| 05:27.35 | omoore | heh |
| 05:27.42 | omoore | i loved my first (5500) zaurus |
| 05:28.07 | omoore | holy crap... |
| 05:28.21 | Stryker | Now I'm just trying to figure out which usb modules I need on redhat |
| 05:28.24 | omoore | heh.. i just realized there was a . on .. never mind that's for connectivity only |
| 05:28.39 | omoore | oh heh.. that' whati was just reading.. here... |
| 05:28.53 | omoore | http://docs.zaurus.com/index.php?id=lc_redhat |
| 05:29.08 | Stryker | nice... |
| 05:29.10 | Stryker | thanks |
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| 05:39.02 | omoore | question about the qtopia-free -vs- commercial version.... |
| 05:39.18 | omoore | if i develop an app and it has an open-source (GPL) license... |
| 05:39.32 | omoore | even if i us it in a commercial (but not sold) application... |
| 05:39.44 | omoore | so long as all code developed using it is open-source... |
| 05:39.49 | omoore | i can use the free version, yes? |
| 05:40.57 | omoore | because anything i do with it will be published to Zaurus Software Index (assuming i am successfull and have somethign worth posting) |
| 05:42.25 | NeoTron | yes |
| 05:42.32 | omoore | cool |
| 05:46.04 | omoore | sweet.. at least the example program worked |
| 05:46.07 | omoore | :) |
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| 06:25.23 | omoore | anyone know a c/c++ howto? |
| 06:25.38 | omoore | simple intro to c/c++ |
| 06:25.51 | omoore | er.. short.. not necessarily simple |
| 06:25.55 | cleverdra | Thinking in C++ is a book available online. |
| 06:26.25 | omoore | got it thx |
| 06:26.57 | omoore | reading this, i'd be able to code c/c++ apps? ok.. assuming i'm reasonably intellegent, etc |
| 06:31.00 | NeoTron | probably since you have Java experience, neh? |
| 06:31.22 | omoore | k |
| 06:31.38 | omoore | i also do bash scripts, php, and other web scripting langs |
| 06:31.39 | NeoTron | midn yoy I haven't read thinking in C++ - I just mirror it |
| 06:31.49 | omoore | gocha |
| 06:33.14 | Stryker | Is the latest ROM from Sharp version 2.37? |
| 06:33.32 | omoore | they just released an update on their website recently |
| 06:33.34 | NeoTron | 3.10 or perhaps 3.11 or something |
| 06:33.48 | omoore | brings ti close to the 5600's software... |
| 06:33.57 | omoore | which is much better thatn stock 5500 |
| 06:34.11 | Stryker | Yeah, I can't even find a file manager |
| 06:34.19 | omoore | the updated networking applet in particular rocks rocks |
| 06:34.27 | omoore | filemanager is available for stock 5500 rom |
| 06:34.31 | omoore | fromt he website |
| 06:34.36 | omoore | as it a terminal |
| 06:34.47 | omoore | and you want to google for 'Zaurus Software Index' ... |
| 06:34.59 | omoore | you'll be blown away what you can do with your 5500 |
| 06:35.05 | NeoTron | omoore: mirror of Thinking books: http://eongames.com/eckel/ |
| 06:35.28 | omoore | Stryker: when i first got my 5500.. a friend made the mistake of telling me i shoulda gota PPC... |
| 06:35.33 | omoore | Stryker: this is what i did... |
| 06:35.43 | omoore | Stryker: started beaming him a 5MB file... |
| 06:35.54 | omoore | opened a terminal window on the z |
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| 06:36.01 | omoore | mounted his shared laptop filesystem |
| 06:36.07 | omoore | mounted my laptops shared filesystem |
| 06:36.19 | omoore | started copying a 1GB file from one to the other... |
| 06:36.28 | omoore | mounted my z's filesystem from the laptop |
| 06:36.38 | omoore | started copying data from the z to the laptop.. |
| 06:36.42 | omoore | opened opera... |
| 06:36.50 | Stryker | heh |
| 06:36.53 | omoore | hit the embedded webserver running on the z |
| 06:36.59 | omoore | which used php and mysql |
| 06:37.09 | omoore | opened a ssh session from the laptop to the z |
| 06:37.14 | omoore | started vncserver |
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| 06:37.26 | omoore | took control of my 550 fromt my laptop... |
| 06:37.43 | omoore | used it to take controll of his laptop (which was running vnc)... |
| 06:37.47 | Stryker | he must have been stunned |
| 06:37.48 | omoore | started playing an mp3... |
| 06:37.55 | omoore | launched asteroids... |
| 06:38.00 | omoore | and i forget what else... |
| 06:38.05 | omoore | oh.. what could he do? |
| 06:38.12 | omoore | receive the dam 5MB file |
| 06:38.25 | omoore | yes.. he was completely stunned |
| 06:38.35 | Stryker | Yeah, I just sold me Jornada 565 to get the 5500 |
| 06:38.52 | omoore | the 5500 is a solid unit... |
| 06:38.57 | omoore | i loved mine... |
| 06:39.01 | omoore | only compalints were... |
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| 06:39.12 | omoore | short (relative to the 5600) battery life... |
| 06:39.18 | omoore | and no builtin mic/speaker |
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| 06:39.30 | Stryker | yeah, I can deal with those. |
| 06:39.36 | omoore | i still use my 5500 for my personal pda ... |
| 06:39.47 | Stryker | I've got it connected via usb to my redhat system now |
| 06:39.48 | omoore | but i use 5600 in development for our medical software |
| 06:39.52 | omoore | heh |
| 06:39.53 | Stryker | I can ping it |
| 06:40.05 | omoore | wait till you get a wireless nic for it |
| 06:40.08 | WolfZ | :) |
| 06:40.11 | omoore | then you'll be cooking with gas |
| 06:40.12 | NeoTron | omoore: you actually work on zaurus development ? |
| 06:40.14 | Stryker | I've got one |
| 06:40.18 | omoore | no no... |
| 06:40.19 | NeoTron | got any open positions? :-P |
| 06:40.21 | Stryker | Socket |
| 06:40.24 | WolfZ | ya like this one |
| 06:40.25 | omoore | i mean i develop FOR it |
| 06:40.34 | NeoTron | that is what I meant |
| 06:40.41 | omoore | NeoTron: oh.. heh... |
| 06:41.02 | Stryker | I can ping the Z but how do I install software? |
| 06:41.21 | WolfZ | use the package mgr |
| 06:41.25 | omoore | you can copy via ftp or just use the qtopia desktop |
| 06:41.40 | Stryker | I can't install qdesktop on redhat 9 |
| 06:41.46 | omoore | the linux qtopia desktop clinet is actually really good for installing software |
| 06:41.57 | omoore | really.. hmm. didn't knwo that |
| 06:42.11 | omoore | well.. ftp it over.. oh wait.. you don't have a terminal app on it yet |
| 06:42.15 | NeoTron | Stryker: got SD or CF you can use? |
| 06:42.28 | omoore | yeah.. that's a good idea |
| 06:42.29 | Stryker | version 1.6.1 from trolltech requires an old version of libstdc |
| 06:42.29 | NeoTron | and for network install, you can use the install app via network |
| 06:42.35 | Stryker | Yeah, I have a 32 meg card |
| 06:42.39 | NeoTron | enter a new feed for http://docs.zaurus.com/feed/ |
| 06:42.43 | NeoTron | and there you go |
| 06:42.44 | omoore | oh yeah.. i forgot about hte network install |
| 06:42.53 | NeoTron | or, copy the stuff to the card (if you can access it from the desktop that is) |
| 06:43.12 | omoore | yeah.. ftp it to the Desktop directory |
| 06:43.13 | Stryker | NeoTron: No, I can't access the CF card from the PC.. |
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| 06:43.36 | omoore | ftp the terminal app and openssh and install them |
| 06:43.54 | NeoTron | Stryker: then use network install and install embeddedkonsole and openssh from the docs.zaurus.com feed |
| 06:43.55 | Stryker | There is an FTP server running? |
| 06:43.56 | omoore | then you can ssh to your z using a full screen ssh session |
| 06:43.58 | NeoTron | and add servermanager too |
| 06:44.00 | omoore | yup |
| 06:44.06 | omoore | forget the port tho... |
| 06:44.09 | omoore | you can google that |
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| 06:44.16 | NeoTron | server manager allows easy start/shutdown for telnet and ssh (when installed) |
| 06:44.24 | omoore | cool |
| 06:44.27 | WolfZ | oh lemme netstat |
| 06:44.34 | omoore | tho telnet is an evil thing |
| 06:44.47 | NeoTron | yes. ssh is better |
| 06:44.57 | NeoTron | and as I said, easy to install from the feed. :) |
| 06:45.07 | WolfZ | tcp 0 0 *:4992 *:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *:4242 *:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *:4243 *:* |
| 06:45.08 | NeoTron | of course, add http://eongames.com/feed/ for my game demos. :P |
| 06:45.24 | Stryker | I'm going to try the feed |
| 06:45.36 | omoore | yeah.. the newowrk install is how i got my 5500 going |
| 06:45.40 | NeoTron | with two episodes!! |
| 06:45.57 | NeoTron | the newer ones are easier - they run a samba server by default so you just smbmount them |
| 06:45.58 | oGMo | i thought it was 1 2-hour episode |
| 06:46.04 | NeoTron | oGMo: nope |
| 06:46.04 | oGMo | plus a 1-hour history deal |
| 06:46.14 | oGMo | NeoTron: so much the better |
| 06:46.25 | oGMo | 2 full stories, for twice the price! |
| 06:46.27 | NeoTron | oGMo: Fallen and Homecoming (1hr each) |
| 06:46.29 | NeoTron | http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s7/index.shtml |
| 06:46.44 | oGMo | NeoTron: cool |
| 06:47.18 | NeoTron | note that gateworld.net is the best SG-1 site I know, but also one full with spoilers if you're not careful |
| 06:47.19 | Stryker | Where do I setup a feed? |
| 06:47.56 | NeoTron | Stryker: in the install from network press the first icon |
| 06:48.26 | Stryker | NeoTron: What do you mean, install from network ? |
| 06:48.42 | NeoTron | in the package manager (Settins tab, Add/Remove programs) |
| 06:48.56 | NeoTron | s/programs/software |
| 06:49.20 | Stryker | cool, found it |
| 06:49.51 | NeoTron | note this important fact: for it to work, the server entry/entries in the top list have to be selectged |
| 06:49.57 | NeoTron | took me forever to figure that out |
| 06:50.13 | Stryker | ok, thanks |
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| 06:56.27 | Stryker | Hmm... ipkg says somthing went wrong, Sorry. |
| 06:56.44 | Stryker | That's after I added a feed to http://docs.zaurus.com/feed/ |
| 06:56.45 | NeoTron | is it networked? |
| 06:56.50 | Stryker | usb |
| 06:56.59 | Stryker | to redhat box |
| 06:57.01 | NeoTron | and is the route ok (i.e can you browse with opera?) |
| 06:57.09 | NeoTron | I think by default there is no routing... |
| 06:57.34 | wijnand | has anyone ever tried the crow/cacko rom? |
| 06:58.07 | Stryker | Hmm, yeah, Opera doesn't work. |
| 06:58.17 | Stryker | I can ping the Z from the redhat box |
| 06:58.30 | Stryker | and I can't ftp from redhat box to Z |
| 06:58.30 | NeoTron | don't think it's fixable without shell |
| 06:58.31 | wijnand | there's no ip forwarding though |
| 06:58.32 | omoore | just copy the ipks to your rhl90 box... |
| 06:58.36 | Stryker | connection refused |
| 06:58.37 | omoore | then start apache... |
| 06:58.45 | omoore | then enter your desktop's ip... |
| 06:58.50 | cleverdra | Stryker - what's your question, again? |
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| 06:59.09 | omoore | example.. put the pakages in /var/www/html/zaurus |
| 06:59.15 | omoore | then start apache |
| 06:59.20 | Stryker | wijnand is right, no IP forwarding |
| 06:59.42 | Stryker | omoore: I think that will work |
| 06:59.45 | omoore | then setup a feed called 'mylinuxbox' using http://192.168.2.168/zaurus (or whatever you rlinux box ip is) |
| 06:59.46 | wijnand | Stryker: i use SuSE myself, I had to modify the firewall settings |
| 07:00.02 | Stryker | cleverdra: I'm trying to setup a feed on a 5500 usb connected to redhat 9 |
| 07:00.06 | wijnand | I'm thinking it would've been easier to do it manually though |
| 07:00.26 | Stryker | wijnand: Yeah, I have a seperate firewall |
| 07:00.33 | wijnand | Stryker: I use the online feeds through the cradle |
| 07:00.33 | Stryker | another linux box |
| 07:01.09 | wijnand | no Stryker i mean ip forwarding is handled by the firewall, your separate firewall is already configured to forward whatever your rh box wants to send or receive |
| 07:01.40 | Stryker | wijnand: Right, now I need to do IP forwarding on the redhat box that the Z is usb connected to |
| 07:01.46 | wijnand | so you need a firewall on the rh box as well, just to setup ip forwarding, *or* figure out how to do it manually and add a little script to start it during boot |
| 07:02.38 | cleverdra | Stryker - I see. I'd just (because I'm a good programmer, and let's pretend that I don't research better the right way to do this) create my own server on the rh9 box and then telnet to it from the Z, where I'd say enter commands to browse and search various Packages from various feeds (all of the networking on the rh9 side). I'd say 'get this' and the rh9-side server would ftp to the Z and upload the file. |
| 07:03.29 | wijnand | cleverdra: that sounds much like boring work whereas enabling ip forwarding should be easy |
| 07:03.42 | cleverdra | Stryker - a *nice* server. 'list packages' 'search opie-' 'section games' 'feed openzaurus.org' 'define-feed killefiz.de' |
| 07:04.19 | Stryker | Yeah, I'm going to try ip_forwarding and then those feeds |
| 07:05.04 | cleverdra | wij - boring work? .... what a .... frankly astonishing viewpoint. I'd enjoy such 'work', and it'd go quickly. I'd have the basic server up and ready to use in minutes. It'd be ultimately easier to use than, say, Opera with ipforwarding. |
| 07:05.56 | wijnand | cleverdra: i thought we were talking about feeds, not webbrowsing |
| 07:06.00 | cleverdra | OTOH, I'd want internet connectivity for the Z, anyway. |
| 07:06.03 | Stryker | well, I must be missing something else |
| 07:06.13 | Stryker | I can't http via Opera to my redhat box |
| 07:06.21 | cleverdra | wij - you mentioned Opera; I assumed that you were going to browse the feeds with it. |
| 07:06.33 | wijnand | cleverdra: i did not mention opera to my best knowledge |
| 07:06.43 | wijnand | and if i did then i didnt mean to :) |
| 07:06.50 | cleverdra | wij - sorry, I meant you in the plural. |
| 07:06.53 | Stryker | do I need to setup a LAN connection? |
| 07:06.58 | wijnand | ah right |
| 07:07.08 | Stryker | I only have the USB IP address set |
| 07:07.17 | Stryker | which I can ping from the redhat box |
| 07:07.21 | cleverdra | Stryker - if you can ping the rh9 box, you should already have a LAN connection set. Hm. Are you using OZ? |
| 07:07.26 | wijnand | Stryker: that *is* a lan connection isnt it? |
| 07:07.43 | Stryker | no, I can ping the Z from the redhat box, not the other way around |
| 07:07.59 | wijnand | Stryker: sounds like the rh box already has a firewall then |
| 07:08.00 | Stryker | No, I just got this 5500 3 hours ago |
| 07:08.12 | cleverdra | Stryker - open a port on 4000 or something and see if the Z can speak to it. Maybe you've -- oh. Hm. |
| 07:08.26 | wijnand | heh cleverdra |
| 07:08.27 | Stryker | It can't connect to host |
| 07:08.39 | cleverdra | Sorry, bedtime. |
| 07:08.40 | Stryker | I have not setup a LAN connection |
| 07:08.51 | Stryker | It says that's for WIFI card |
| 07:09.04 | Wolf- | Stryker: you use iptables? |
| 07:09.11 | wijnand | Stryker: basically there is no difference between connecting to the internet via the cradle or via a wifi card |
| 07:09.45 | Stryker | wijnand: Ok, then I do need to setup a LAN connection with the same IP address that is used for the USB IP address? |
| 07:10.17 | Stryker | On the Sync tab I have 192.168.129.201 defined for the USB IP Address |
| 07:10.19 | cleverdra | well, except that your 5500-of-3-hour-and-default-ROM will not be able to maintain a connection. You'll have to periodically re-insert the device into the cradle in order to revive connectivity... or at least I had to do this when speaking to a Windows box. OZ fixes that. |
| 07:10.24 | Wolf- | Stryker: you use iptables? |
| 07:10.24 | wijnand | Stryker: on the RH box? you want to use a different ip, for instance 192.168.129.200 (i believe the one on the Z is 192.168.129.201) |
| 07:11.11 | Stryker | The redhat box is already part of my LAN, it's 192.168.0.2 |
| 07:11.20 | Stryker | My linux firewall is 192.168.0.1 |
| 07:11.31 | Stryker | the Z is connected to my redhat box |
| 07:11.34 | wijnand | Stryker: we're not talking about your home lan, this is a different lan |
| 07:11.34 | Stryker | not the firewall |
| 07:11.44 | Stryker | I realize that |
| 07:11.54 | Wolf- | the redhat box has no firewall setup at all? |
| 07:12.01 | wijnand | you'll have 192.168.0.2 for your local network and 192.168.129.200 for your network to the Z |
| 07:12.05 | Stryker | wolf: Nope |
| 07:12.07 | cleverdra | Stryker - try the stupid re-insert-Z-into-cradle. Seriously. If you can ping rh9 from your Z but not the other way, try that. |
| 07:12.18 | cleverdra | also, o/~ zzZZzzz o/~ |
| 07:12.20 | Wolf- | iptables -L is dead empty then |
| 07:12.31 | wijnand | good night cleverdra |
| 07:12.56 | Stryker | wolf: Yeah, INPUT FORWARD and OUTPUT are all empty |
| 07:13.13 | Wolf- | does the Z show up in the RH box ARP table? |
| 07:13.23 | Stryker | I have not specified any kind of gateway address on the Z |
| 07:13.42 | Wolf- | thats fine for now |
| 07:14.09 | Stryker | wolf: Actually, no it doesn't.. |
| 07:14.21 | Stryker | Oldly, I can still ping it |
| 07:14.23 | Wolf- | could of expired by now |
| 07:14.31 | Wolf- | ping then check |
| 07:14.42 | Stryker | ok, it's there |
| 07:14.52 | Wolf- | check the Z's arp table |
| 07:15.34 | Stryker | wolf: I don't have a terminal app install yet |
| 07:15.56 | Wolf- | ssh from the RH box then |
| 07:16.30 | Stryker | connection refused |
| 07:16.38 | Stryker | This is like ROM version 2.12 |
| 07:16.47 | Wolf- | telnet? |
| 07:16.58 | Stryker | kernel is 2.4.6 |
| 07:17.01 | Stryker | negative |
| 07:17.11 | Stryker | no ftp either |
| 07:17.26 | Wolf- | check the Z's screen for any popups |
| 07:17.39 | cleverdra | stryker - ftp to 4242 on Z. Or 4343? |
| 07:18.27 | Stryker | ok, connected on port 4242 |
| 07:18.41 | Wolf- | so tcpip works fine |
| 07:18.43 | cleverdra | Good, that should be an ftpd. Login as 'root' |
| 07:18.58 | cleverdra | Now put a console on that thing =) |
| 07:19.06 | Wolf- | yes |
| 07:19.08 | Stryker | cool |
| 07:19.17 | Stryker | excellent, thanks guys |
| 07:19.25 | Wolf- | btw |
| 07:19.34 | Wolf- | you will need a default route to access the internet |
| 07:19.46 | Stryker | Yeah, that's what I figured |
| 07:19.48 | Wolf- | default route being the IP of the USB interface on the RH box |
| 07:19.52 | Stryker | but I can't see where to define it |
| 07:19.59 | Stryker | prolly via terminal then |
| 07:20.12 | Stryker | wolf: yup |
| 07:20.21 | Wolf- | uh it should be under the config for the usb0 interface |
| 07:20.28 | cleverdra | Login as root. cd to /home/root/Documents/application; mkdir ipkg; upload ipkgs there -- you've no filebrowser, so you may have to go through Qtopia-Documents or hardcoded-Add/Remove-Programs-paths to get your first ipkgs. |
| 07:20.49 | Stryker | ok, gotcha |
| 07:21.00 | Stryker | wolf: Yup |
| 07:21.19 | cleverdra | The default 5500 setup is silly. The 5000D comes with filebrowser and console. |
| 07:21.33 | Wolf- | I just flashed to OZ :D |
| 07:21.44 | cleverdra | Wolf - welcome to the club =) I flashed yesterday. |
| 07:21.56 | cleverdra | OZ is *so* much better. It's what I should have expected. |
| 07:22.02 | Wolf- | just as in thats all I did :P |
| 07:22.19 | Wolf- | I'v been running OZ ever since 3.2 was released |
| 07:22.25 | cleverdra | Wolf - ah =) |
| 07:23.03 | Wolf- | WolfZ is my Zaurus |
| 07:23.20 | WolfZ | *wave* |
| 07:23.30 | yeiazel | OH ! |
| 07:23.36 | yeiazel | your Zaurus speaks !!! |
| 07:23.45 | yeiazel | at least, it waves :) |
| 07:24.00 | WolfZ | lol |
| 07:24.18 | WolfZ | OZ needs IPv6 support |
| 07:24.55 | WolfZ | and I need to reinstall my compilers and BX :> |
| 07:27.06 | DaWorm | ive been using OZ sine 3 |
| 07:27.08 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 07:27.09 | DaWorm | :D |
| 07:27.11 | Wolf- | nice to see freenode has v6 servers :D |
| 07:27.43 | Wolf- | cool, I bought my Z just before OZ3.2 came out, and heard about the release from a friend of mine, so I switched |
| 07:28.32 | yeiazel | Wolf-: BX NNNN |
| 07:28.35 | yeiazel | Wolf-: BX ???? |
| 07:28.41 | yeiazel | beuah |
| 07:28.41 | yeiazel | ugly |
| 07:28.41 | yeiazel | :) |
| 07:29.05 | Wolf- | bx+cypress is good |
| 07:29.25 | Wolf- | I don't like change, so I stick with the old stuff :) |
| 07:29.47 | yeiazel | cypress ? |
| 07:30.50 | Wolf- | ya little script add-on makes it look all pritty and gives it all the features it was missing |
| 07:31.02 | yeiazel | oh |
| 07:31.19 | yeiazel | it's like a hack to make it look and feel like irssi ? |
| 07:31.21 | Wolf- | anyway BX does IPv6 so I like it :) |
| 07:31.44 | Wolf- | I guess, never tried irssi cept to check the binary on my system and make sure it works |
| 07:32.06 | yeiazel | just because you don't wanna change for irssi, you're using two crappy things ;) |
| 07:33.09 | Wolf- | in your opinion |
| 07:33.54 | Wolf- | recently i have been playing in xchat, but yes I like BX+cyp just becase I know it well |
| 07:39.32 | yeiazel | I don't like xchat |
| 07:39.54 | yeiazel | oh |
| 07:39.58 | yeiazel | :( |
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| 07:49.54 | Stryker | ok, so the 5500 has 32 ROM and 32 RAM, which OZ zImage would I use, 32 or 64? |
| 07:50.39 | Stryker | never mind |
| 07:50.42 | Stryker | heh |
| 07:51.04 | yeiazel | the 5500 has 64 RAM |
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| 07:56.21 | Stryker | mnt/cf is compact flash, /mnt/card is SD ? |
| 07:56.37 | yeiazel | yes |
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| 08:14.38 | red_one | IS there a more "Palm"-central channel around? |
| 08:15.07 | Wolf- | gasp |
| 08:15.11 | Wolf- | he said the P word |
| 08:15.13 | Wolf- | :P |
| 08:15.17 | red_one | :P |
| 08:15.54 | red_one | I'm looking at buying a IIIxe , and am looking for anything I should be aware of before I buy |
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| 08:21.00 | Wolf- | red_one: but you went away |
| 08:21.54 | yeiazel | Palm sucks |
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| 08:28.08 | Wolf- | yes it does |
| 08:40.02 | red_one | yes well, it may suck, but the old ones are cheap |
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| 08:48.57 | yeiazel | red_one: old zauruses are cheap too |
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| 09:01.25 | galvatr0n | can someone help me i want to setup Internet Connection Sharing on XP so i can use the internet on my Zaurus through my usb cradle |
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| 09:37.12 | Stryker | Hmm... I logged out of OZ now I can't seem to power on |
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| 09:50.20 | Socket | cool |
| 09:50.44 | Stryker | test |
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| 10:06.37 | Ayla | Wolf-, you here? |
| 10:06.44 | Wolf- | yes |
| 10:06.48 | Wolf- | tell them to +v me lol |
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| 10:37.27 | subdue | gah. finally beat level 15 in strategic assault. I swear, that level was made so you couldn't beat it |
| 10:39.58 | Twiun | I'd never accuse NeoTron of being sadistic, honest :) |
| 10:40.23 | DaWorm | duh i can't even get past stage 7 |
| 10:40.30 | DaWorm | and even msr is quite difficult |
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| 10:44.41 | subdue | believe me, level 15 is almost impossible |
| 10:45.20 | subdue | the enemy has all factories, a wall, 2 supply domes inside the wall, and a ton of vehicles of all types |
| 10:45.42 | subdue | you on the other hand have nothing, except enough to build a few things |
| 10:45.58 | subdue | say, 1 heavy factory and 5 helicopters |
| 10:46.15 | subdue | the ai sends stuff to all the other supply domes |
| 10:46.20 | subdue | constantly |
| 10:46.28 | subdue | pretty tough if you ask me |
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| 10:57.59 | music2 | does anyone know about fonts, pdfs, etc? |
| 10:58.14 | music2 | i'm trying to read scientific papers in QPdf but it removes all the greek symbols |
| 10:58.20 | music2 | making equations tricky to follow ... |
| 10:58.38 | music2 | Also every time the letters "fi" appear together, they vanish |
| 10:59.42 | music2 | "Ligatures", that's it |
| 11:02.34 | ljp_laptop | hmm |
| 11:02.50 | ljp_laptop | have you asked on the zaurus web forums? |
| 11:03.02 | ljp_laptop | oh, qpdf.. hmm |
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| 12:57.37 | chouimat | morning |
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| 13:21.54 | wijnand | hi pHluid |
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| 14:13.14 | wijnand | is the sharp 3.10 rom supposed to say `version 2.78 booting'? |
| 14:13.24 | doughecka | lol |
| 14:13.52 | wijnand | heh watch it :P |
| 14:39.17 | doughecka | hey kergoth |
| 14:39.42 | kergoth | hey |
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| 15:51.10 | warmi | hi |
| 15:54.45 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 15:59.19 | warmi | heh |
| 16:02.44 | NeoTron | hmm |
| 16:02.58 | mark | hi warmi, NeoTron, tux_mike |
| 16:03.16 | tux_mike | hey mark |
| 16:03.24 | kergoth | hey warmi, mark |
| 16:03.33 | mark | hi kergoth |
| 16:03.42 | NeoTron | and bye for now |
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| 17:04.40 | multik | hi ppl all ;-) |
| 17:04.48 | multik | does anybody have C700? |
| 17:06.34 | multik | I just need a "smart" solution with small letters in captition after "englishzation". I think, that ln -s hel* not so good ;-) |
| 17:07.45 | cyn | captition? |
| 17:07.54 | kergoth | englishzation? |
| 17:07.57 | multik | Now I suggest, that Qtopia use for caption "fixed" font and size of them is not engouth ;-) |
| 17:08.09 | cyn | oh captioning |
| 17:08.17 | cyn | kergoth: changing locales |
| 17:08.22 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:08.25 | multik | ;-) oops. its russian jargon sorry ;-) |
| 17:09.15 | cyn | so yer trying to get better fonts under sharprom? |
| 17:09.27 | multik | yes. |
| 17:09.39 | cyn | lemme see what's in my fontdir |
| 17:10.02 | multik | i change Language to zh_TW. and i thinks, that kill small helvetica fonts is not good solution |
| 17:10.57 | cyn | zh_TW is still an eastern language, not english, no? |
| 17:11.05 | cyn | 'far eastern' soz heh |
| 17:11.39 | multik | cyn. sure. but now it easet way to look some english letters on screen just after reset. |
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| 17:14.03 | cyn | I'm confused, what's wrong with setting Language = en? |
| 17:14.24 | multik | cyn. Let me try it ;-) |
| 17:15.10 | cyn | ya can do that then get a font that has the asian fonts if you still want them to show for the few places they'll still pop up |
| 17:15.23 | cyn | couple howto's off externe.net's forums |
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| 17:18.30 | cyn | diff: command not found |
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| 17:20.34 | MacGyver | kergoth |
| 17:20.36 | MacGyver | kergoth |
| 17:20.44 | multik | Hmm. Much better. Cool. But font in menus still very small ;-) |
| 17:20.54 | MacGyver | @@ |
| 17:20.59 | MacGyver | c700 OZ |
| 17:21.01 | MacGyver | c700 OZ ? |
| 17:21.11 | multik | MacGyver - sure. ;-) |
| 17:21.20 | MacGyver | where ? |
| 17:21.28 | cyn | multik: make sure 'use thick fonts' is checked under settings->appearance |
| 17:21.43 | cyn | MacGyver: http://www.openzaurus.org/official/experimental/c700/ |
| 17:22.03 | cyn | ya want newer, gank buildroot :P |
| 17:22.06 | MacGyver | 26-Apr-2003 08:49 12.4M ? |
| 17:22.09 | multik | I just write small howto for dummers. now part "how to switch this cool device to english". ;-) |
| 17:22.12 | MacGyver | no new version ? |
| 17:22.32 | cyn | multik: check externe.net - it has some links to some good forums, might give you some more hints |
| 17:22.38 | cyn | multik: also some links to larger fonts iirc |
| 17:22.39 | kergoth | MacGyver: I havent had time to work on it, due to the move |
| 17:22.43 | multik | cyn - already ;-) |
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| 17:27.47 | lon | Hmm, anyone notice that switching to month-view in the calendar app on the 3.10 ROM causes it to, well, 'splode? |
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| 17:31.05 | pHluid | exploding calendars make baby jesus cry ;[ |
| 17:31.57 | multik | Wow. My application for qfb compiled by gcc32 without errors ;-). Nice. |
| 17:35.34 | multik | qvfb even |
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| 17:50.50 | tux_mike | there. i now have a battery on order for my laptop |
| 17:51.35 | multik | btw, does anybody compare benchmarks of Intel PXA250 with Intel Pentum? i.e. StrongArm 206Mgz ~ Intel Pentium 90Mhz, PXA 400Mgz ~ Intel Pentium ?? Mhz |
| 17:52.20 | warmi | well, niether of PXA/ARM CPUs will even come close to Pentiums |
| 17:53.07 | multik | warmi - why? ;-) |
| 17:54.56 | multik | look at old PCs - system bus 50Mgz, cloack 100. In C760 - sustem bus at 200Mgz, processor at 400Mgz. Yes, they have a different architecture (RISC/CISC) ... but benchmarks must be close each other. |
| 17:55.10 | multik | s/cloack/clock/ ;-) |
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| 18:04.46 | warmi | multik: Pentiums are faster because of internal design |
| 18:05.05 | warmi | they have I believe more internal pipeplines etc |
| 18:05.12 | warmi | not to mention lack of FPU unit |
| 18:05.19 | warmi | in XScale/Arm devices |
| 18:05.35 | warmi | anyway .. I am out |
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| 18:38.39 | multik | hmmm. I found next stupid problem. After changing "Language" to "en" i have in text editor only "squares" except letters when i use screen keyboard (i just try to tap "hello"). if i use normal keyboard - all ok. i miss something? ;-) |
| 18:40.04 | multik | with locale "zh_TW" all ok. |
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| 18:45.30 | multik | ok. forget it ;-). buy all |
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| 19:14.46 | TeaX | can anyone test my app? |
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| 19:25.02 | galvatr0n | can someone please help me or know of a tutorial, i have a 5600 running qtopia and want to share my XP broadband connection on it via the Z usb cradle |
| 19:25.51 | galvatr0n | does anyone know if u can share an internet connection with vnc ??? |
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| 19:26.14 | galvatr0n | or connect via usb cradle via vnc |
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| 19:36.50 | galvatr0n | has anyone managed to accsess the internet through the zaurus usb cradle ???????????? |
| 19:38.57 | galvatr0n | hoe can i change the permissions so i can create a new folder or move files to the home dir on my Z using a file manager ???? |
| 19:39.17 | oGMo | please refrain from using more than one question mark per question |
| 19:39.20 | oGMo | there's a shortage right now |
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| 19:40.59 | oGMo | galvatr0n: what ROM and OS are you using? |
| 19:41.11 | oGMo | if you upgrade to sharp 3.10, you can basically just do that |
| 19:41.15 | oGMo | given you're using windows |
| 19:41.27 | oGMo | with linux it's slightly more annoying, but not that much |
| 19:43.21 | mrwoody | oGMo: do u know if 3.10 for SL5000 has been released? |
| 19:43.29 | oGMo | 5000? no clue |
| 19:43.30 | galvatr0n | im using Qtopia v1.5.4 and linux kernel v2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix compiled by:sharp rom v1.00 on a SL-5600, is there anything i need to update ? |
| 19:43.35 | oGMo | i think there was like an update or something |
| 19:43.37 | oGMo | but i dunno |
| 19:43.59 | galvatr0n | and im using winXP |
| 19:44.10 | oGMo | oh, a 5600 |
| 19:44.22 | oGMo | i thought those were the same as the 3.10 stuff |
| 19:44.36 | mrwoody | ? |
| 19:44.50 | oGMo | i dunno, someone else must |
| 19:46.01 | galvatr0n | which kernel is newer 2.4.18 or 2.4.6 |
| 19:46.46 | Solar[X] | .18 |
| 19:47.03 | Solar[X] | There's no secret method of counting, a bigger number just means it's newer :) |
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| 19:48.18 | galvatr0n | ok i thought there may be a possibility that the second number was the revision number so its v2.4.1 rev8 |
| 19:48.52 | galvatr0n | is there any updates for the 5600 also should i stay with qtopia |
| 19:49.30 | Solar[X] | OpenZaurus is worth a try :) |
| 19:50.05 | galvatr0n | which would u say is better |
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| 19:50.47 | Solar[X] | Well I prefer OpenZaurus. |
| 19:50.54 | NetAmp | OZ kicks ass :P |
| 19:50.57 | Solar[X] | Opie has a better feel if you ask me. |
| 19:51.00 | mrwoody | with kernel 2.4.6! ;-) |
| 19:51.07 | galvatr0n | also can someone please help me get my 5600 connected to the internet via usb cradle and XP |
| 19:51.07 | Solar[X] | But I guess you could install Opie on the ROM. |
| 19:51.31 | mrwoody | Solar[X]: you can install oz on the rom and boot from there |
| 19:52.15 | Solar[X] | That's not what I meant... I meant installing Opie as in the GUI on top of the Sharp rom. |
| 19:52.28 | Martyn | The only complaint I have about openZaurus is that the GUI widgets take up too much screen real estate |
| 19:52.34 | kergoth | Solar[X]: what would you gain? |
| 19:52.42 | kergoth | Martyn: they take up the same space as in qtopia |
| 19:53.04 | kergoth | and OZ doesnt suppor the 5600 yet |
| 19:53.04 | Solar[X] | Hancom apps maybe? It's not like I was planning to do it :) |
| 19:53.12 | Solar[X] | But on the other hand... what would I lose? |
| 19:53.14 | Solar[X] | :) |
| 19:53.19 | kergoth | you'd lose writable rootfs |
| 19:53.25 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.30 | TeaX | can anyone test my app (tximage)? |
| 19:53.30 | kergoth | you'd gain ugly symlink madness |
| 19:54.06 | galvatr0n | has anyone got the Sun PP working on the Z ? |
| 19:55.53 | mrwoody | galvatr0n: Sun pp? |
| 19:56.10 | galvatr0n | Sun Personal Profile JVM (cvm) |
| 19:56.24 | galvatr0n | im a java software developer |
| 19:57.03 | NetAmp | kergoth: how's life? like the new job? |
| 19:57.11 | galvatr0n | thats why i want to connect my Z to xp via usb to i can test my java SSLsever/client remote admin prog |
| 19:57.28 | kergoth | NetAmp: yup, job is great. not being in tech support is wonderful :) |
| 19:57.32 | NetAmp | hahaha |
| 19:57.42 | NetAmp | no more REALLY ANOYING customers calling :P |
| 19:58.09 | kergoth | yup |
| 19:58.37 | galvatr0n | im having problems with sunPP cause i dont know where the classpath variable is in qtopia so jeode is default |
| 19:58.42 | NetAmp | Isn't Opie Player 2 supposed to play MPEG(1)? |
| 19:58.59 | NetAmp | I only get sound on an MPEG movie recorded with my Sony digital still camera |
| 19:59.15 | NetAmp | mplayer does show the video, but no sound :P |
| 19:59.24 | NetAmp | hah I could run them at the same time ;-) |
| 19:59.49 | galvatr0n | also dont suppose anyone has got that zaurus digital video camera software ive been reading about? |
| 20:00.20 | NetAmp | galvatr0n: that comes witht the cam.. |
| 20:00.45 | galvatr0n | i got the camera soft but i read that there is video cam soft |
| 20:00.54 | galvatr0n | u can save avi's |
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| 20:01.20 | kergoth | hey fusion94 |
| 20:01.32 | fusion94 | kergoth: afternoon |
| 20:01.50 | NetAmp | galvatr0n: capture motion with that CF cam? hm fun |
| 20:01.59 | cyn_ | galvatr0n: might be a different/newer camera |
| 20:02.41 | kergoth | afaik opie-camera may be able to do that |
| 20:02.45 | kergoth | mickeyl was working on it |
| 20:04.23 | galvatr0n | its called MORE video camera software |
| 20:16.15 | galvatr0n | http://www.sharp-world.com/corporate/news/010822.html |
| 20:16.41 | galvatr0n | CE-AG06 Digital Camera Card |
| 20:16.41 | galvatr0n | Suggested retail price: 24,000 (not including tax) |
| 20:16.41 | galvatr0n | Note: Requires "Video Camera MORE Software" (sold separately) to shoot video movies |
| 20:17.20 | Solar[X] | How much is that in USD? |
| 20:18.01 | kergoth | galvatr0n: again, i believe opie-camera may be able to do that, and its free |
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| 20:20.09 | NetAmp | hmm |
| 20:20.30 | NetAmp | my Package Manager still looks for hancomsheet.postinst :S |
| 20:20.33 | galvatr0n | opie-camera doesnt run on Qtopia |
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| 20:21.39 | NetAmp | Hancom Sheet is installed... but I don't understand why AQPkg tries to find the .postinst when I install (for example) the Aliens game |
| 20:22.47 | `Leaves | hmmmm.. I have the Sharp cam |
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| 20:42.00 | TeaX | can anyone test my app please ? |
| 20:42.34 | TeaX | it's an image viewer |
| 20:42.38 | TeaX | please |
| 20:45.59 | phoen][x | hmm |
| 20:46.01 | phoen][x | url? |
| 20:48.53 | Solar[X] | I'll test it if it can display .png :0 |
| 20:50.11 | TeaX | http://teax.sourceforge.net/tximage_0.1.1_arm.ipk |
| 20:50.24 | TeaX | yes it can display png |
| 20:50.39 | Solar[X] | Ahh nice. |
| 20:50.44 | Solar[X] | It'd better be good :) |
| 21:00.03 | NetAmp | l8r |
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| 21:08.40 | galvatr0n | how can i change the file permissions or give myself root access or su(SuperUser)privileges in Qtopia so i can create files in the home and root directories using a file manager |
| 21:08.49 | kergoth | su |
| 21:09.22 | galvatr0n | i know how to do it in the consol but i wanted to use a visual file manager |
| 21:09.41 | kergoth | so? |
| 21:09.41 | kergoth | su |
| 21:09.44 | kergoth | then run the file manager |
| 21:09.46 | kergoth | from the prompt |
| 21:09.51 | kergoth | or |
| 21:09.55 | kergoth | tap + hold on its icon |
| 21:10.01 | kergoth | there should be a checkbox for run as root |
| 21:10.22 | galvatr0n | oh cool thanks man |
| 21:10.33 | galvatr0n | :) |
| 21:10.42 | kergoth | np |
| 21:11.03 | galvatr0n | dont suppose u know where the CLASSPATH information is stored do u ? |
| 21:11.09 | kergoth | fraid not |
| 21:11.32 | galvatr0n | also is there a better file manager for qtopia other than the standard one |
| 21:11.43 | kergoth | get advancedfm from poie |
| 21:11.45 | kergoth | opie |
| 21:11.48 | kergoth | go to ZSI |
| 21:11.51 | kergoth | killefiz.de/zaursu |
| 21:11.53 | kergoth | zaurus |
| 21:12.22 | galvatr0n | and 1 last question how do i get a network connection establish between my Z and winXP via USB cradle |
| 21:12.48 | galvatr0n | opie.ipk cant be seen and install on qtopia |
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| 21:15.16 | kergoth | s/opie/oz/ |
| 21:15.28 | kergoth | there are sharp ipk format ipks of opie packages |
| 21:15.35 | kergoth | i think some of them were on myzaurus.com |
| 21:15.39 | kergoth | though i dont know how old they are |
| 21:16.50 | galvatr0n | i just want one like advancedFM for qtopia |
| 21:17.19 | kergoth | uh, i dont think you get it |
| 21:17.25 | kergoth | you can run Opie applications in qtopia just fine |
| 21:17.30 | kergoth | its the IPK thats a different format |
| 21:21.03 | galvatr0n | can i convert the ipk somehow |
| 21:21.21 | kergoth | ar x new.ipk |
| 21:21.45 | kergoth | then tar it back up |
| 21:21.54 | kergoth | tar -czvf old.ipk ./data.tar.gz ./control.tar.gz |
| 21:22.32 | galvatr0n | im guessing x is the orig.ipk |
| 21:23.00 | galvatr0n | why do i need to tar it back up if it makes a new ipk file |
| 21:23.13 | galvatr0n | cant i just install new.ipk |
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| 21:27.21 | kergoth | uh |
| 21:27.27 | kergoth | oh my fucking lord |
| 21:27.33 | kergoth | new.ipk = NEW FORMAT IPK FILE |
| 21:27.35 | kergoth | not a new ipk |
| 21:27.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:27.41 | oGMo | haha |
| 21:40.34 | Cooke | where can I get gcc for my z? |
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| 21:45.58 | mark | kergoth: doing any work yet? |
| 21:46.11 | kergoth | mark: yep |
| 21:46.23 | mark | kergoth: cool. |
| 21:46.53 | mark | kergoth: there is no public info about the TI device yet is there? |
| 21:47.32 | kergoth | mark: fraid nto |
| 21:51.53 | cyn_ | so it's a DEVICE |
| 21:52.39 | mark | kergoth: ok |
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| 21:59.06 | galvatr0n | tar x .ipk doesnt seem to do much just hangs when trying to extract opie.ipk on Qtopia |
| 21:59.22 | kergoth | what? |
| 21:59.27 | kergoth | an opie ipk isnt a tar |
| 21:59.32 | kergoth | i told you, its ar x .ipk |
| 21:59.33 | kergoth | AR |
| 21:59.34 | kergoth | not tar |
| 21:59.45 | TheMasterMind1 | arnottar |
| 22:00.00 | galvatr0n | ok i thought it was a typo cause ar = command not found |
| 22:00.10 | kergoth | so your zaurus doesnt have ar. |
| 22:00.15 | kergoth | dont have a linux desktop i take it? |
| 22:00.23 | galvatr0n | nope |
| 22:00.32 | kergoth | so use the skiffcluster |
| 22:00.34 | kergoth | ibot: skiffcluster |
| 22:00.35 | | [skiffcluster] at http://handhelds.org/projects/skiffcluster.html |
| 22:01.25 | cyn_ | that's badass |
| 22:02.09 | cyn_ | how do they have 40gig hds on ipaqs |
| 22:02.24 | cyn_ | pcmcia fanciness? |
| 22:02.34 | kergoth | or bigass nfs mounts? |
| 22:03.01 | cyn_ | ah yes possible |
| 22:03.11 | cyn_ | <and likely more cost eff.> |
| 22:05.13 | galvatr0n | where can i get AR man |
| 22:05.36 | kergoth | google is your friend |
| 22:05.43 | kergoth | and i just pointed you to a way to get to a machine that has ar |
| 22:05.52 | galvatr0n | whats the name oh the prog im looking for |
| 22:06.01 | kergoth | ar |
| 22:06.08 | kergoth | how many fucking times do you need to be told? |
| 22:06.33 | galvatr0n | thought maybe it might have a name like archiver |
| 22:06.48 | kergoth | this is a unix command |
| 22:06.52 | kergoth | its 'name' is irrelevent |
| 22:11.43 | oGMo | some days, you just wish that IPs were lat/lon based, and you had a personal orbital strike platform |
| 22:11.55 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 22:12.03 | TheMasterMind1 | i do.. wanna see? |
| 22:12.41 | oGMo | woohoo, you wiped out redmond! |
| 22:12.43 | oGMo | ;) |
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| 22:18.46 | galvatr0n | does anyone know where i can get AR from |
| 22:18.59 | kergoth | galvatr0n: how many times should i tell you? |
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| 22:22.59 | techniq | does anyone know if the SL-C750/760 will be made available to the US market? |
| 22:23.29 | kergoth | s/when/if/ |
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| 22:24.43 | techniq | ahh, was kinda afraid of that |
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| 22:48.32 | galvatr0n | can someone please tell me where to get AR from or can someone send it to me please |
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| 23:02.09 | galvatr0n | where is ar on 5600 |
| 23:02.22 | kergoth | it isnt on your 5600 |
| 23:02.25 | kergoth | i told you that already |
| 23:02.31 | kergoth | ibot: skiffcluster |
| 23:02.31 | | hmm... skiffcluster is at http://handhelds.org/projects/skiffcluster.html |
| 23:02.43 | kergoth | galvatr0n: those are arm linux machines you can freely access, that have ar on them. |
| 23:02.46 | kergoth | galvatr0n: use them. |
| 23:02.49 | galvatr0n | can u just send it to me please man |
| 23:02.54 | erik1 | is there anybody who has tksradio on his/her zaurus |
| 23:02.58 | kergoth | galvatr0n: no. |
| 23:03.01 | erik1 | is there anybody who has tksradio on his/her zaurus |
| 23:03.02 | kergoth | galvatr0n: your laziness is not my problem. |
| 23:03.07 | kergoth | erik1: we heard you the first time |
| 23:03.08 | galvatr0n | oh ok i see |
| 23:03.09 | erik1 | is there anybody who has tkcradio on his/her zaurus |
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| 23:03.25 | galvatr0n | so i want to look in /usr/bin |
| 23:04.01 | doughecka | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.14 | galvatr0n | i had no idea what skiffcluster was and couldnt find ar to download in google just found where its stored on 5000 and 5500 |
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| 23:07.13 | erik1 | kergoth: yes, i just found out the blessings of irc |
| 23:07.33 | erik1 | Why am i kicked of this channel? |
| 23:07.41 | doughecka | whats he blabing about? |
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| 23:08.26 | galvatr0n | kergoth: man i still cant find it i only got my zaurus 2days ago and dont know much about it |
| 23:08.53 | erik1 | Do you want some advice about usefull applciations? |
| 23:11.07 | kergoth | erik1: because you asked your question 3 times in a row |
| 23:11.23 | kergoth | erik1: repetition isnt going to help you any. |
| 23:12.42 | erik1 | I just make a stupid mistake in the spelling that i correct. It wasn't three times but two times. Why the hostile approach of someone who visit this channel for the first time? |
| 23:13.46 | yeiazel | erik1: repeating is annying |
| 23:13.56 | yeiazel | even if it was for correcting a mistake |
| 23:14.09 | galvatr0n | kergoth: i cant find shit about ar on skiffcluster |
| 23:14.23 | erik1 | The message is clear, I want correct my misspelling again. |
| 23:14.58 | Solar[X] | Sounds like someone could use a sed course :) |
| 23:14.59 | doughecka | galvatr0n: ur blind :/ I have used it alot |
| 23:16.22 | galvatr0n | doughecka: i have 5600 = no ar |
| 23:17.58 | doughecka | yea |
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| 23:22.18 | erik1 | Solar: what is a sed course |
| 23:22.45 | galvatr0n | ive looked in http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/opie/root/usr/bin/ and still no ar |
| 23:23.02 | TheMasterMind1 | galvatr0n: ITS A PART OF BUSYBOX |
| 23:25.07 | erik1 | If you need ar, it's part of any standard linux distribution. You can copy the result of this ar-action to your zaurus using the sync sofftware or using rsync. |
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| 23:27.22 | TheMasterMind1 | erik1: heh, unfortunately i386 binaries dont' run on ARM |
| 23:27.54 | erik1 | It's not to run on your zaurus, You can unar a file and copy the resulat to your zaurus. |
| 23:28.03 | erik1 | You need a linux box |
| 23:28.22 | TheMasterMind1 | right, that works |
| 23:28.57 | cleverdra | You can also get ar for a Zaurus, surely. Or you can find someone to host an ar-server. Or get an ar for whatever machine you have available. |
| 23:29.24 | subdue | has anyone installed vlc? |
| 23:29.30 | subdue | on the sharp rom? |
| 23:29.41 | subdue | libffmpeg seems to not install |
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| 23:31.30 | doughecka | hey NeoTron, giving away games for free today? |
| 23:32.51 | erik1 | does anybody has a cf gprs card working on a zaurus? |
| 23:33.13 | doughecka | lookup sharpmobility |
| 23:33.31 | erik1 | is that a site/ |
| 23:33.42 | doughecka | sorta |
| 23:33.47 | galvatr0n | doughecka: do u know where i can find ar plese man |
| 23:34.12 | doughecka | whats ar? |
| 23:34.38 | cleverdra | galv - "you", and try debian-arm |
| 23:35.54 | erik1 | I googled sharpmobility without any result |
| 23:36.25 | doughecka | the website is broken I believe |
| 23:36.35 | erik1 | I will google ar and let you konw in a minute |
| 23:37.08 | galvatr0n | cool thanks erik1 |
| 23:37.12 | galvatr0n | :) |
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| 23:38.51 | subdue | hmm...neo's new site seems slower |
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| 23:40.03 | galvatr0n | whats is the address for neo's site? |
| 23:40.03 | subdue | I wonder if I should buy the expansion pack? |
| 23:40.11 | subdue | eongames.com |
| 23:41.18 | nullpuppy | any of you run gentoo and do zaurus development/ |
| 23:43.31 | cleverdra | null - probably. What's your real question? |
| 23:44.21 | nullpuppy | cleverdra: just wondering if there was an easy way to setup gcc as a cross compiler.... |
| 23:44.59 | erik1 | I've googled ar and checked the zaurus software index. I didn't find ar. This is a very interesting site for those who wants to use their zaurus in a usefull way http://humphrey.applitec.com/zaurus/zstuff/ConsolApps/ |
| 23:45.08 | subdue | NeoTron: if you have a chance, I wouldn't mind seeing some screenshots of the forestfire expansion pack |
| 23:46.20 | cleverdra | null - there are a number of web pages dedicated to that, but I don't know of any offhand. You might want to take a look at the distcc and zgcc packages for the Z, though the latter has less to do with cross-compilation. |
| 23:46.29 | erik1 | I have lync, a character based webbrowser, running on my zaurus and i want to pipe the output to flite16, a speech synthesizer. Until now i didn't succeed. does anybody has a suggestion so i can let the zaurus read me the headlines? |
| 23:46.45 | nullpuppy | cleverdra: ok |
| 23:46.56 | cleverdra | erik - use wget instead. |
| 23:46.57 | erik1 | It's not lync but lynx |
| 23:47.45 | cleverdra | erik - also, lynx has an argument that'll let it emit processed text. Also, you probably really want to write a real program to scan the websites in question. |
| 23:47.53 | erik1 | But with wget i got all the html stuff that goes into flite16k and will be read out loud |
| 23:48.17 | erik1 | I just need the flat text |
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| 23:49.37 | erik1 | Flite16k and the frondend spoken are real zaurus hits that can be uused to impress everybody. |
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| 23:49.49 | Angela | hello |
| 23:49.56 | erik1 | hai |
| 23:51.02 | Angela | does anyone here have swish 2.0? |
| 23:51.18 | cleverdra | Angela - no. Is that some kind of Java library? |
| 23:51.32 | Angela | it's for websites |
| 23:51.42 | Angela | flash |
| 23:52.04 | cleverdra | Angela - OK. What's your real question? |
| 23:52.27 | Angela | that's my real question |
| 23:52.42 | subdue | no one using vlc then? |
| 23:52.43 | Angela | i lost my installation cd of it, and i was wondering if someone here has it |
| 23:52.44 | cleverdra | Angela - what an odd question. |
| 23:52.53 | cleverdra | Angela - OK, that question's a little realer. |
| 23:53.00 | Angela | eh heh |
| 23:53.44 | cleverdra | <Angela> Hi. Where kind I get a copy of swish 2.0 (a flash thingie for websites)? I lost my installation copy. Maybe someone could make an iso available to me? |
| 23:54.29 | Angela | okay. you're too clever for me |
| 23:54.30 | Neo|Work | subdue: the screenshots are, well, mostly identical |
| 23:54.34 | erik1 | Why the judging of the questions and the negative approach of the boys and girls who are just asking normal questions? |
| 23:54.44 | Neo|Work | subdue: the gfx is a bit changed but not much (and btw, I think some of the shots are from FF) |
| 23:54.59 | cleverdra | Angela - what's scary is that you claimed that 'does anyone here have swish 2.0' was your real question. |
| 23:55.08 | galvatr0n | does anyone know how i can network my Z and XP via usb cradle can it be done? |
| 23:55.19 | Angela | that's one of my questions |
| 23:55.44 | erik1 | Doesn't the normal sync software work with xp? |
| 23:55.45 | Angela | of course, i'd have to know if they have it first, than to ask if they can send it to me right away |
| 23:56.09 | cleverdra | Angela - it's an 'ask to ask' question. An environment-testing question. A sanity-checking question. It's not a real question, but only a lead-in for the real question. |
| 23:56.17 | erik1 | I cync on a linux box so I'm just curious |
| 23:56.23 | cleverdra | Angela |
| 23:56.28 | galvatr0n | i can sync but i want to establish a network connection so i can share my internet connection |
| 23:56.48 | cleverdra | erik - the Sharp sync software works horribly enough on Windows2000. OZ is a bit better, but I haven't tried to actually 'sync' with it. |
| 23:57.26 | subdue | NeoTron: that last level took me a while to finish (level 15) |
| 23:57.35 | galvatr0n | are there any Zaurus java developers here that i can chat to? |
| 23:57.49 | cleverdra | galv - there are websites devoted to that (really), but I can never find them when I need them. On XP, I think all you need to do is establish a LAN on your USB connection and then enable 'internet sharing' on, say, your dialup connection. |
| 23:57.52 | subdue | NeoTron: it's almost impossible to beat. that deck is really stacked against you |
| 23:58.14 | cleverdra | galv - maybe. Do you have a real question? |
| 23:58.39 | erik1 | I read a howto on this subject but i don't know th url. Using google with xp zaurus network will help you further. |
| 23:58.48 | galvatr0n | i dont use dialup i use broadband |
| 23:58.53 | galvatr0n | always on |
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| 23:59.58 | cleverdra | galv - the 'say,' of "say, your dialup connection" was meant to imply that "your dialup connection" was only an example drawn from a set of possibilities, such as "broadband connection". The key parts are 'enable', 'internet connection sharing', and 'X connection'. |
