| 00:00.11 | fishy | ? |
| 00:00.40 | kendrick | i've got theKompany.com, Eon Games, Beiks, and Hancom so far... |
| 00:01.41 | kendrick | ... ah, and: SHLCOM TECH Global Services |
| 00:02.37 | chouimat | kendrick: a lot |
| 00:04.04 | kendrick | name some :)... i want mostly companies that've done more than 1 or 2 titles ;) |
| 00:04.41 | chouimat | kendrick: eeeeeeeeee ;) |
| 00:05.05 | kendrick | hehehe |
| 00:05.38 | kendrick | and sparklesolutions ;) |
| 00:06.17 | kendrick | man handango is slow >:^( |
| 00:08.38 | chouimat | man flash a new image over the internet is sloooooow |
| 00:09.10 | kendrick | !? |
| 00:09.40 | chouimat | kendrick: I'm just flashing a remote site firewall |
| 00:12.58 | kendrick | ooh |
| 00:13.00 | kendrick | hehe :) |
| 00:14.17 | kendrick | okay, i think i have enough random vendors listed in this slide ;) |
| 00:14.48 | chouimat | kendrick: hehe ;) |
| 00:17.30 | kendrick | actually.. has ibm written any zaurus software? |
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| 00:20.20 | kendrick | hrm |
| 00:20.22 | kendrick | well, i think i've got most of this down |
| 00:20.32 | kendrick | shit, soon i'll need to finish up my Gimp presentation slides, too :^) |
| 00:20.37 | kendrick | i wish i got paid for this stuff :^( |
| 00:23.53 | chouimat | kendrick: lol |
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| 00:34.05 | mewyn | anyone know if i can make ifconfig just display the ip address |
| 00:34.36 | kendrick | grep? ;) |
| 00:34.37 | kendrick | hehe |
| 00:36.24 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 00:39.45 | raster | awk? |
| 00:40.07 | Joelw | cut! |
| 00:40.52 | ljp_laptop | you could blink real fast as you read ifconfig output |
| 00:41.47 | raster | ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr:" | awk '{printf("%s", $2);}' | awk -F: '{printf("%s\n", $2);}' |
| 00:43.27 | masticator | cartsten you friggin geek |
| 00:45.35 | fishy | so? |
| 00:48.17 | warmi | look at raster ..... this is how you end up after workign with Unix for a long time |
| 00:48.19 | kendrick | raster? |
| 00:48.28 | kendrick | as in E? :) |
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| 00:48.55 | raster | masticator: hehehehehe thats nto being a geek. it's havig had to live ina unxi shell for a long time :) |
| 00:48.59 | ljp_laptop | supposedly same guy. ;) |
| 00:49.06 | raster | kendrick: nah. as in performing seals :) |
| 00:49.09 | kendrick | long time! :) |
| 00:49.22 | raster | warmi: jhehehehe |
| 00:49.35 | kendrick | friend (if you call him tweaking my nipples 'friendship') of arruda |
| 00:49.40 | raster | kendrick: aaaaaaaah yes! i rememebr that eveig |
| 00:49.41 | raster | :) |
| 00:49.53 | raster | went to some house party too |
| 00:49.58 | raster | joe rank a lot of port there |
| 00:50.06 | raster | i was dipping into the vidka from memory |
| 00:50.13 | kendrick | hehe |
| 00:50.21 | raster | gave a bit of a mumble in a classorm @ davis |
| 00:50.22 | raster | hehehe |
| 00:50.32 | kendrick | sometimes i forget joe's on our mailing list, then something like Sco happens and he pops up with his eloquent views :) |
| 00:50.41 | chouimat | yurk vodka |
| 00:51.00 | kendrick | yeah... it was our 1yr anniversary or something. |
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| 00:51.30 | raster | yup |
| 00:51.35 | kendrick | so chouimat - tell me about OE, so i can stick it in my slides for SVLUG |
| 00:51.39 | raster | that was all good |
| 00:51.56 | kendrick | heh.. i need to convince linus to come out to our 5yr >:^) |
| 00:52.02 | kendrick | maybe i'll kidnap his kids or something |
| 00:52.17 | chouimat | kendrick: it's support other device ... OZ is just the zaurus version of OE |
| 00:52.32 | raster | open pants |
| 00:52.35 | kendrick | heh |
| 00:52.38 | raster | the pants version of open embedded |
| 00:52.54 | ljp_laptop | and will have opie and gpe and possibly other gui thingies |
| 00:52.59 | kendrick | GPE == ? |
| 00:53.11 | ljp_laptop | gpe.handhelds.org |
| 00:53.31 | raster | man gpe is ugly |
| 00:53.37 | kendrick | oy vey |
| 00:53.53 | ljp_laptop | current work in os is being done on simpad |
| 00:53.56 | ljp_laptop | oe |
| 00:53.59 | warmi | raster : yuah, GTK style ugly |
| 00:54.04 | raster | when i get some time i think i might do a version of enlightenment for pda's |
| 00:54.11 | kendrick | hahah |
| 00:54.17 | warmi | lol |
| 00:54.21 | ljp_laptop | ya, then add that to oe |
| 00:54.27 | ljp_laptop | e-lite |
| 00:54.29 | ljp_laptop | heh |
| 00:54.53 | kendrick | *snicker* |
| 00:54.58 | kendrick | simpad == ? |
| 00:55.07 | raster | qpe is equally ugly |
| 00:55.10 | chouimat | kendrick: wwww.opensimpad.org |
| 00:55.14 | ljp_laptop | simpad is a tablet type device |
| 00:55.18 | warmi | gnustep ? 2 icons from that WM and your screen is gone |
| 00:55.18 | raster | nto to mention a tad slow |
| 00:55.38 | kendrick | ok, this is too much now :^) |
| 00:55.38 | ljp_laptop | gpe is to release 1.0 soon |
| 00:55.40 | chouimat | warmi: the api not the wm |
| 00:55.49 | ljp_laptop | hehehe, well, you asked |
| 00:55.50 | kendrick | gpe is like opie, right? |
| 00:56.00 | kendrick | runs under openzaurus, which is a flavor of openembedded |
| 00:56.00 | ljp_laptop | ya, except built on gtk |
| 00:56.14 | warmi | yeah, that and also the fact that it sucks |
| 00:56.18 | kendrick | OZ started as a replacement for Sharp ROM, and included Opie |
| 00:56.21 | ljp_laptop | mostly runs on ipaqs |
| 00:56.21 | chouimat | kendrick: and there is a port off qnx eqip to the zaurus in the work |
| 00:56.26 | kendrick | so now it's all been extracted and abstracted |
| 00:57.10 | warmi | soon there will be more OS versions/WMs/launchers than apps .. just like in the real desktop Unix world |
| 00:57.36 | ljp_laptop | thats why we need e-lite |
| 00:57.48 | kendrick | warmi- hahahah |
| 00:57.51 | chouimat | hehe |
| 00:58.03 | ljp_laptop | and maybe someone will add qtopia 1.6 to oe |
| 00:59.20 | chouimat | WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOO everything works!!!!!!! |
| 01:00.41 | raster | this sucks |
| 01:01.17 | raster | ok - maybe this is realyl a job of a new project entirely |
| 01:01.19 | raster | grrrr |
| 01:01.36 | kendrick | cya raster |
| 01:01.46 | raster | not realyl going |
| 01:01.49 | raster | just getting back to work |
| 01:01.50 | kendrick | oh - heheh |
| 01:01.56 | kendrick | where are you, globe-wise, anyway? |
| 01:02.03 | kendrick | still in the US? |
| 01:02.07 | raster | down where the 'roos roam |
| 01:02.18 | raster | sydney maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate! |
| 01:02.41 | raster | the us it sector wient up shit creek without a paddle over the last 2 years |
| 01:02.46 | raster | thank god i got out just i time |
| 01:02.49 | kendrick | hehehe |
| 01:02.58 | kendrick | i lasted this this last feb. somehow! |
| 01:03.05 | raster | wow |
| 01:03.07 | raster | maazing |
| 01:03.50 | ljp_laptop | ya, I've been looking for a job for 2 years. just found one.. in Au |
| 01:04.17 | raster | where in .au? |
| 01:04.17 | ljp_laptop | my neices want me to get a pet kangaroo.. heh |
| 01:04.19 | raster | doing what? |
| 01:04.27 | ljp_laptop | brisbane, working for trolltech |
| 01:04.31 | raster | aaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 01:04.34 | raster | working for the trolls |
| 01:04.38 | ljp_laptop | :) |
| 01:04.46 | kendrick | nice ljp! |
| 01:04.51 | raster | bridbane isnt bad |
| 01:04.53 | raster | a bit small |
| 01:04.56 | ljp_laptop | waiting for my visa |
| 01:04.58 | raster | (for my likign) |
| 01:05.01 | ljp_laptop | I like small |
| 01:05.19 | raster | i'm a bifg city person |
| 01:05.22 | raster | sydney is just big enuf |
| 01:05.27 | Brklyn | any of you got scummvm??? xDD you can tell I'm bored, huh??? ;) |
| 01:05.36 | ljp_laptop | as long as theres surf girls nearby |
| 01:05.36 | ljp_laptop | :) |
| 01:05.49 | kendrick | hehehe |
| 01:06.02 | raster | ljp_laptop: yer single then eh? |
| 01:06.04 | ljp_laptop | how many people live in Sidney? |
| 01:06.06 | ljp_laptop | yes |
| 01:06.16 | ljp_laptop | single as a door knob |
| 01:06.56 | warmi | he has some cats though |
| 01:07.09 | raster | ljp_laptop: then i'll suggest fridays (its down town in brisie) on thrusday night. $au 1.50 drinks till 1am. absolutely CRAWLINg with hot chicks. me and abotu 6 mates wen tout one night. i used a $20 note.. and came back woith change for the entire night.. including a lot of drinking and the taxi-fare. |
| 01:07.17 | raster | sydney has about 4mil |
| 01:07.54 | kendrick | okay, so does this sound right...? |
| 01:07.58 | kendrick | "OpenZaurus (OZ) started as a developer-driven, Open Source replacement for Sharp's 'ROM' for the Zaurus." |
| 01:08.09 | kendrick | "It became popular as a Zaurus-like environment for PocketPC devices (like Compaq/HP iPAQ)." |
| 01:08.17 | kendrick | "OpenZaurus is becoming OpenEmbedded, which isn't hardware-specific." |
| 01:08.24 | kendrick | "OPIE is an Open Source graphical environment, compatible with Qtopia." |
| 01:08.32 | kendrick | "There is now also GPE, which is a GTK+-based GUI!" |
| 01:08.38 | ljp_laptop | oz is becoming part of oe |
| 01:08.38 | kendrick | "(Expect more variations and mixing and matching!)" |
| 01:08.44 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:08.45 | raster | kendrick: dont forget picogui |
| 01:08.50 | Brklyn | sounds good... |
| 01:08.51 | kendrick | well, isn't OZ _turning_into_? |
| 01:09.00 | Brklyn | and raster is right... picogui too... although I haven't tried it |
| 01:09.07 | ljp_laptop | oe will include oz |
| 01:09.13 | kendrick | so OZ -transform-> OE -variant-> OZ ? :) |
| 01:09.28 | ljp_laptop | but will also include builds for ipaqs, simpad, etc |
| 01:10.02 | ljp_laptop | thats the way it happened, yes. |
| 01:10.20 | kendrick | ok: "OpenZaurus is becoming OpenEmbedded, which isn't hardware-specific, and will include support for the Zaurus (via OpenZaurus), iPAQs, touchpad devices, and more..." -- sound good? |
| 01:10.22 | ljp_laptop | oz grew into oe. but oe is bigger |
| 01:10.41 | kendrick | s/is becoming/has grown into/ |
| 01:10.48 | ljp_laptop | ya, better. |
| 01:10.56 | ljp_laptop | bbiab.. eats time... |
| 01:11.07 | kendrick | thx :) |
| 01:11.53 | kendrick | cool... |
| 01:11.53 | Brklyn | does anyone know what other "libraries" opie-ftp needs?? |
| 01:12.01 | Brklyn | I somehow can't get it to start up... |
| 01:12.38 | Brklyn | no one?? |
| 01:12.41 | Brklyn | pretty please? |
| 01:13.11 | kendrick | sorry ;) |
| 01:13.25 | Brklyn | kendrick: what do you have?? oz?? |
| 01:13.38 | kendrick | paul flinders rom ;) |
| 01:13.41 | kendrick | from >1yr ago |
| 01:13.48 | Brklyn | ;) |
| 01:13.53 | Brklyn | oz is great... |
| 01:13.55 | Brklyn | 3.2 |
| 01:14.07 | kendrick | raster - my wife asked me to ask you to get me a job. she could live in sydney, she said ;) |
| 01:14.20 | Brklyn | but wait... cause in a couple of months they'll probably release 3.3 |
| 01:14.57 | Brklyn | you should |
| 01:15.07 | kendrick | i want it to continue working between now and then ;) |
| 01:15.16 | raster | kendrick: easier said than done. what do you want a job doing? |
| 01:15.18 | Brklyn | kendrick should be shitting in his pants.... but you'll be alright |
| 01:15.21 | DaWorm | how do you connect that? |
| 01:16.14 | Brklyn | I'm just annoyed with a couple of apps... like opie-mail2 and opie-ftp |
| 01:16.51 | kendrick | raster - i enjoy doing SDL, esp. under Linux. i also do HTML/PHP. some perl, some apache conf. learning mysql. |
| 01:16.56 | kendrick | in other words, i'm pretty unemployable ;) |
| 01:17.19 | Brklyn | is raster trying to employ people?? |
| 01:17.36 | kendrick | no ;) i'm just harassing him for a job. |
| 01:17.40 | raster | kendrick: hahahhahaha hmm tough. my employer might hire but it'd 1. be cheap. 2. not willing to wait for weeks or months and deal with visa shite.. so errr... no cna help :) |
| 01:17.48 | raster | Brklyn: not these days :) |
| 01:17.52 | kendrick | where do you work now, anyway??? |
| 01:18.11 | warmi | kendrick: if you do Qt/qte then there are jobs available for that at TI |
| 01:18.15 | Brklyn | raster: you wouldn't employ me even if you should!! ahahaha :D |
| 01:18.31 | kendrick | hehe |
| 01:18.35 | kendrick | damnit... i also need to learn C++ and Qt :) |
| 01:18.51 | kendrick | fucking newfangled technomologies |
| 01:18.57 | DaWorm | TI is a rather large company though, TI houston is one of my clients and they just do one thing: SPARC cpus |
| 01:19.05 | raster | Brklyn: yup- as i dont have any money to go employing people.. letalone a business of my own :) |
| 01:19.13 | raster | kendrick: www.fluffyspider.com.au |
| 01:20.05 | warmi | DaWord: they are working on a new Qtopia based PDA |
| 01:20.26 | DaWorm | whoa...based on OMAP i bet |
| 01:20.38 | warmi | DaWorm yeah |
| 01:20.43 | kendrick | groovy, raster |
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| 01:20.47 | warmi | kergoth is working for them on that ( I presume) |
| 01:20.56 | zaurus_lover | on what warmi ? |
| 01:20.57 | DaWorm | nice nice |
| 01:21.09 | DaWorm | embedded linux for sre |
| 01:21.14 | zaurus_lover | sre ? |
| 01:21.50 | chouimat | http://xmk.sourceforge.net/docs/index.html <--- sound cool |
| 01:21.50 | DaWorm | sure |
| 01:22.04 | zaurus_lover | ok, I need some help with my C750 ... I got it from Japan and converted it to English using the locale.conf method. |
| 01:22.36 | zaurus_lover | But, when I enter characters from the Keyboard into Netfront or the Address book, they show up as blocks |
| 01:22.40 | zaurus_lover | what could be wrong ? |
| 01:22.46 | kendrick | shit.. embedix has only 1 d, huh? :) |
| 01:22.48 | raster | Kernel ROM: |
| 01:22.48 | raster | 326 Bytes + |
| 01:22.48 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.48 | raster | 20 bytes/ISR |
| 01:22.48 | raster | Kernel RAM: |
| 01:22.48 | raster | 26 Bytes + |
| 01:22.50 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.52 | raster | 3 Bytes per thread |
| 01:22.54 | raster | DUDE |
| 01:22.56 | raster | thats what i call MINIMAL! |
| 01:22.57 | DaWorm | font thing fer sure |
| 01:23.02 | kendrick | FLOOD! |
| 01:23.04 | kendrick | kick him! hehehe |
| 01:23.05 | warmi | zaurus_lover some new PDA at TI |
| 01:23.19 | Brklyn | DAMN!!! what libraries am I missing to run opie-mail2 and opie-ftp!!!! :'( |
| 01:23.23 | Brklyn | does anyone know?? |
| 01:23.29 | zaurus_lover | hmmm ... it wasn't that way with the C700 ... |
| 01:23.35 | chouimat | raster: yup that minimal |
| 01:23.59 | DaWorm | 3 byters per thread... |
| 01:24.18 | zaurus_lover | oh ok must be that PDA which has all three tech's Wi-Fi, 1xRTT and GPRS ... (reference design from TI) |
| 01:24.39 | warmi | zaurus_lover : I am not sure .. something education related |
| 01:24.43 | zaurus_lover | so, how come that worked with the 700 but not with the 750 ? (locale method) ... |
| 01:24.45 | zaurus_lover | ok |
| 01:24.46 | ljp_laptop | opie-ftp requires libftp |
| 01:24.54 | warmi | anyway, it is all under NDA so we don't really know anything about it yet |
| 01:25.01 | zaurus_lover | yup yup |
| 01:25.12 | ljp_laptop | opie-mail2 may ir may not work |
| 01:25.22 | ljp_laptop | it not ir |
| 01:25.39 | Brklyn | I can get the opieftp from zauruszone feed to run... |
| 01:25.45 | Brklyn | but not the one from the oz stable feed |
| 01:26.20 | warmi | zaurus_lover :does 750 come with that new PXA 255 CPU ? |
| 01:26.32 | ljp_laptop | install libftp |
| 01:26.34 | Brklyn | ljp_laptop: I can't find the libftp... you know a feed where I could get it?? |
| 01:26.37 | zaurus_lover | yes absolutely warmi ! Received mine yesterday |
| 01:26.43 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 01:26.51 | zaurus_lover | plus 64 MB Flash, 64 MB DRAM |
| 01:27.08 | warmi | I wonder how fast is it compared to 5500 .. |
| 01:27.11 | chouimat | zaurus_lover: how much $$$ |
| 01:27.46 | zaurus_lover | warmi : Bootup is good ... better than the 700 and also the apps load faster ... has built in VPN Capabilities |
| 01:27.57 | zaurus_lover | chouimat 629 |
| 01:28.12 | chouimat | sugar what is 629 usd in cad |
| 01:28.13 | zaurus_lover | I just bought myself a Pretec GPS receiver (CF based) |
| 01:28.14 | Sugar | 629 US$ is 859.84302 CAD |
| 01:28.20 | zaurus_lover | us |
| 01:28.29 | zaurus_lover | wonder if it works with the Z |
| 01:29.20 | Brklyn | ljp_laptop: are you sure you didn't mean ftplib??? xD |
| 01:29.27 | zaurus_lover | maybe I should try the other methods to change the font |
| 01:29.27 | Brklyn | cause I already got that... |
| 01:29.31 | warmi | zaurus_lover :one more questions .. where do you get all that money for this stuff ? |
| 01:29.32 | ljp_laptop | yes thats it |
| 01:29.34 | ljp_laptop | http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/openzaurus/0.9.9/ |
| 01:29.37 | zaurus_lover | hahaha :) |
| 01:29.49 | ljp_laptop | libftplib |
| 01:29.52 | Brklyn | but it still doesn't go... it tries to get it up and running... but no luck... |
| 01:30.20 | zaurus_lover | anyone know what GPS models work with the Z (any model) ? |
| 01:30.35 | kendrick | thx for the help folks! esp. chouimat :) |
| 01:30.37 | kendrick | cya raster! |
| 01:31.09 | zaurus_lover | warmi : 750 has a plastic stylus ... Presentation Software built in, Different encryption algos for the VPN .. a separate Movie and a separate Music player |
| 01:32.12 | warmi | zaurus_lover : how about the software ? same version of qpe as in 5600 ? |
| 01:32.56 | Brklyn | ljp_laptop: you got opie 0.9.9 |
| 01:32.57 | Brklyn | ? |
| 01:33.21 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: any idea of a schedule for QT 4? |
| 01:33.48 | ljp_laptop | Brklyn: not on my zaurus |
| 01:34.02 | ljp_laptop | chouimat: nope. experimental stage currently, I am told |
| 01:34.34 | zaurus_lover | warmi : Here are the details ... Metroworks PDA (v1.0) ... Qtopia v1.5.4 (May 10 2003) Linux Kernel : 2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix ROM ver 1.10JP) |
| 01:34.43 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: thanks |
| 01:34.51 | warmi | ah , thanks |
| 01:36.06 | zaurus_lover | warmi : most welcome dood :) |
| 01:37.31 | warmi | zaurus_lover : you upgraded from 5500 ? |
| 01:37.55 | warmi | ah .. from 700 |
| 01:37.59 | warmi | never mind |
| 01:38.06 | warmi | well, lucky you then |
| 01:40.16 | warmi | man .. qt 4 will most likely get rid of Linux kernel altogether ... |
| 01:40.20 | warmi | it is going to be huge |
| 01:40.24 | warmi | :-) |
| 01:45.42 | oGMo | yeah |
| 01:45.50 | oGMo | and qt5 won't even require hardware! |
| 01:45.51 | oGMo | ;) |
| 01:46.12 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:46.20 | zaurus_lover | get rid of the linux kernel ?? |
| 01:46.45 | warmi | well, if they keep extending it at the rate they do now.. soon there won't be any need for Linux kernel ":-0 |
| 01:47.13 | chouimat | zaurus_lover: they are working on ttos, an nice os wrote in C++ |
| 01:47.55 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:48.16 | warmi | frankly, I know the reason why qte is not available for PocketPC devices :-) |
| 01:48.25 | warmi | it simply doesn't work to well on it |
| 01:48.28 | chouimat | warmi: wince sucks |
| 01:48.34 | chouimat | :)) |
| 01:49.02 | chouimat|grocey | need to go buy some food I'mhungry |
| 01:56.08 | Brklyn | take care everyone... I'm out |
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| 02:21.17 | aTypical | Hello all. |
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| 02:58.46 | DaWorm | hello hello its a new world |
| 02:59.23 | aTypical | DaWorm: Yes, it is. And it's full of stars. |
| 02:59.36 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 02:59.41 | DaWorm | NeoTron: you there? |
| 02:59.55 | chouimat|shower | DaWorm: nah! it's the same old world but it's fresh paint :) |
| 03:01.16 | DaWorm | wonder what happened to those planned releases by eongames |
| 03:02.20 | dougheckaa | my god! its full of stars! |
| 03:02.22 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 03:03.04 | aTypical | dougheckaa: Ah a light goes on. |
| 03:03.39 | aTypical | I love that line. |
| 03:03.44 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 03:03.57 | dougheckaa | I am sorry dave, I am afraid I cant do that |
| 03:04.02 | DaWorm | ive read something about light pollution |
| 03:04.03 | aTypical | lol |
| 03:04.21 | DaWorm | and it had this map of the world at night |
| 03:04.35 | dougheckaa | Daisy, daisy, errrrrr, I am a HAL 9000 computerrrrr |
| 03:04.46 | DaWorm | the most lighted areas are the east coast and western europe |
| 03:04.59 | DaWorm | africa barely had any lights |
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| 03:28.31 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 04:24.29 | chrionix | Is opera the best browser for the Z? |
| 04:25.17 | aTypical | chrionix: Not necessarily, but it's nice. |
| 04:26.03 | cyn | in the real estate and speeds your looking at, you need to just try em all out and see which you like best |
| 04:26.41 | lnxguy-Zaurus | konqeror is vey fast... |
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| 04:32.21 | chrionix | would anyone have a copy of an Opera .ipk? |
| 04:32.42 | chrionix | I flashed to OZ before making one. |
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| 04:39.04 | CodeYoddler | How can I compile Knights? |
| 04:39.20 | CodeYoddler | What are some good free Zaurus games |
| 04:43.11 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?s=5be76b086a395e018104222ab77fc215&act=ST&f=27&t=3668 <- cheap c7x0 with warranty |
| 04:46.18 | aTypical | TheMasterMind1: Be careful with that "with warranty" stuff. Sharp only honors the warranty for the original purchaser of the unit. |
| 04:47.15 | DaWorm | eon games ports really good commercial games and cheap too |
| 04:52.38 | DaWorm | 5 more c7xx buyers |
| 04:52.40 | DaWorm | *sigh* |
| 04:52.45 | DaWorm | i wish i had more money at the moment |
| 04:54.14 | TheMasterMind1 | aTypical: you'd ship it to conics and he'd get it warrantied.. since he's the originally buyer it think it works |
| 04:54.36 | aTypical | Oh. Ok. |
| 04:56.06 | aTypical | I'm just bitter because I bought a 5500 off ebay that had 9 months left on the warranty and Sharp wont honor it. |
| 04:56.20 | TheMasterMind1 | aTypical: that sucks |
| 04:56.32 | TheMasterMind1 | is something wrong with ti? |
| 04:56.33 | TheMasterMind1 | it? |
| 04:56.34 | aTypical | Yes it is, but it's a great unit. |
| 04:56.47 | aTypical | No, not a darn thing wrong. I just like the feeling of security. |
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| 04:57.05 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
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| 04:57.29 | harv | sup all |
| 04:58.16 | harv | i'm attempting to build a qtopia application and it's giving me TONS of linker errors (compiles fine)...can anyone offer any assistance? |
| 04:59.05 | harv | I developed the application using designer (the designer provided with qtopia-free-1.5-01)... |
| 05:00.26 | harv | and I'm linking against the qpe library (libqpe.so.1.5.0) in the same distribution (qtopia 1.5) |
| 05:00.42 | harv | any advice/ |
| 05:00.44 | harv | ??? |
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| 05:01.16 | harv | plz don't be shy :D |
| 05:01.45 | TheMasterMind1 | harv: please stop repeating over and over again |
| 05:02.42 | harv | TheMasterMind1: sorry man....i'm having absolutely no luck with this issue and I posed that question in a completely different channel earlier tonight (not in this channel, which is more populated) |
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| 06:14.26 | chrionix | has anyone ever had the problem of their tcp/ip connection over usb dropping out after roughly 10 or 15 seconds? |
| 06:15.52 | omoore | anyone here even heard of sox being compiled for the Zaurus? |
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| 07:41.41 | frankps | God morgen Wintre |
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| 07:44.19 | zaurus_lover | anyone here an expert on Zmeeting ? |
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| 07:48.14 | zaurus_lover | I can get it to talk to NetMeeting (call made from Z) ... but when I call from Win XP, the Z rejects the call (as per the log) |
| 07:48.21 | zaurus_lover | how can I make it accept the call ? |
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| 08:25.53 | Coup | howdy everyone! |
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| 11:26.07 | heatxsink | does anyone know where I can get a patch for usbnet for 2.4.20? |
| 11:26.21 | heatxsink | so that I can access my Z? |
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| 11:30.37 | Chrionix | hey all, I'm trying to get networking going over usb, using the usbdnet drivers, It seems to connect for a small period of time (20-30 seconds) then just dies. I ran tcpdump on the usb port on the host, and it sends out arp requests to the Z, but no reply. Can anyone give me any suggestions? |
| 11:32.57 | heatxsink | does anyone know where I can get a patch for usbnet for 2.4.20? |
| 11:38.25 | Chrionix | heatxsink: If you use the usbnet drivers, and not the usbdnet drivers, do you have to get the usbnet drivers onto the Z as well as the desktop? |
| 11:39.23 | heatxsink | usbnet drivers already in the Z from my understanding.. |
| 11:39.36 | heatxsink | i've heard of your problem before..with the 20-39 second thing... |
| 11:39.44 | heatxsink | dunno how to remedy it though |
| 11:39.44 | Chrionix | really?? |
| 11:39.50 | heatxsink | look through the forums... |
| 11:39.55 | Chrionix | I searched the dev forums, couldn't find anything |
| 11:40.00 | heatxsink | mostly developer forms... |
| 11:40.01 | heatxsink | hrmm... |
| 11:40.05 | heatxsink | then I have no idea |
| 11:40.10 | Chrionix | Are you using OZ? |
| 11:41.04 | Chrionix | I did an lsmod on the Z in OZ, and it's running usbdcore, and usbdmonitor |
| 11:42.10 | heatxsink | yes I am using OZ |
| 11:42.11 | heatxsink | are you? |
| 11:43.47 | heatxsink | yes I have those two as well |
| 11:44.07 | Chrionix | so wouldn't that mean that it's running usbdnet drivers? |
| 11:44.08 | heatxsink | my connection to my Z is kind of not working right now |
| 11:44.12 | heatxsink | yes |
| 11:44.14 | heatxsink | I said it does |
| 11:44.30 | Chrionix | oh, but you think usbnet drivers are on there as well? |
| 11:44.31 | heatxsink | heatxsink> usbnet drivers already in the Z from my understanding.. |
| 11:44.50 | heatxsink | that was up above |
| 11:45.59 | Chrionix | well, if usbnet drivers were in there, wouldn't you see them in lsmod? |
| 11:48.12 | heatxsink | might be something different.. |
| 11:48.13 | heatxsink | same flavor |
| 11:48.17 | heatxsink | but different.. |
| 11:48.44 | heatxsink | i believe that port on the bottom of the Z is a serial port |
| 11:48.48 | heatxsink | not a usb |
| 11:49.08 | heatxsink | so..i think what they do is run some protocol over serial to usb or something.. |
| 11:49.19 | heatxsink | so that the usbnet driver is not necesary |
| 11:49.46 | heatxsink | hence that usbdcore, and usbdmonitor |
| 11:49.57 | heatxsink | usb net is only for your machine to have ppp over usb.. |
| 11:50.13 | heatxsink | when I say your machine that means your desktop |
| 11:50.20 | Chrionix | yah, I get you |
| 11:50.39 | heatxsink | I gotta reboot.. |
| 11:50.51 | heatxsink | so the Z is only receiveing the ppp |
| 11:50.57 | heatxsink | not needing to make the ppp |
| 11:51.10 | heatxsink | that's why your desktop needs usbnet |
| 11:51.26 | heatxsink | test a new kernel option |
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| 11:53.47 | Chrionix | ljp_laptop: What's up man. |
| 11:54.35 | ljp_laptop | waking up |
| 11:54.38 | ljp_laptop | ;) |
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| 11:55.10 | ljp_laptop | was looking at car prices there. |
| 11:55.11 | heatxsink | hey |
| 11:55.19 | heatxsink | btw there is a OZ channel |
| 11:55.19 | Chrionix | ljp_laptop: Have you ever heard of a Z having a connection working for 20-30 seconds, only to cut out on you? I ran tcpdump over the usb port on the desktop, and it was sending out arp requests to the Z, but the Z wasn't responding. |
| 11:55.41 | ljp_laptop | yes. what kernel on the desktop are you using? |
| 11:55.44 | Chrionix | What kinda car you going to get over here man? |
| 11:55.55 | Chrionix | ljp_laptop: 2.4.20 |
| 11:55.58 | heatxsink | oh ya Chrionix do you have dhcp enabled on your usb0 no your Z? |
| 11:56.00 | ljp_laptop | dunno. I'd like to buy a fiero like I have here |
| 11:56.17 | Chrionix | very nice |
| 11:56.24 | Chrionix | I'm not using dhcp at all |
| 11:56.29 | heatxsink | okay |
| 11:56.32 | ljp_laptop | but they are rather expensive there |
| 11:56.37 | Chrionix | You can drive me down to the gold coast the ljp :) |
| 11:56.42 | ljp_laptop | you using usbdnet module? |
| 11:56.43 | Chrionix | then* |
| 11:56.48 | Chrionix | yeap |
| 11:56.49 | ljp_laptop | :) |
| 11:57.25 | ljp_laptop | there's a patch to .20 - 21-rc2 that has usbnet built in that has support for the z |
| 11:57.50 | ljp_laptop | you might try that. but it doesnt solve you immediate problem |
| 11:58.17 | ljp_laptop | which usb module are you using? |
| 11:58.30 | ljp_laptop | uhci? ochi? uhci-alt? |
| 11:58.40 | Chrionix | uhci |
| 11:59.38 | ljp_laptop | hmm |
| 12:00.05 | ljp_laptop | hace you tried pluggin it in to the other usb port on the desktop? |
| 12:00.23 | Chrionix | yeah, no luck |
| 12:00.26 | Chrionix | It's really weird. |
| 12:00.48 | ljp_laptop | I havent had that problem for a while |
| 12:01.00 | Chrionix | heatsink before said he had heard of the problem somewhere before, I searched the zaurus.com/dev/board forums, but couldn't find any mention. |
| 12:01.19 | ljp_laptop | might try a google search also |
| 12:01.23 | Chrionix | I need a wireless card and router :P |
| 12:01.49 | ljp_laptop | :). I just bought one to bring with me. I need a cf wireless now |
| 12:07.47 | Chrionix | yeah, I've found some pretty cheap routers and cards. |
| 12:08.09 | Chrionix | I found one CF wireless card for $88 AU, but I'd be too scared to buy it. |
| 12:09.17 | ljp_laptop | hehehe |
| 12:09.26 | ljp_laptop | who wears the pants?!? |
| 12:09.36 | ljp_laptop | ;) |
| 12:14.16 | Chrionix | lol |
| 12:15.03 | Chrionix | No, I mean the next cheapest I've found is $140. normally anywhere from $160 to $230 or so. |
| 12:15.47 | wijnand | Chrionix: what brand is it? |
| 12:15.48 | Chrionix | so $88 is a little dubious. |
| 12:15.52 | Chrionix | Mitac |
| 12:15.55 | wijnand | never heard of |
| 12:16.04 | wijnand | can you take it back within a few days? |
| 12:16.04 | yeiazel | I think Chrionix means he doesn't have a gf :p |
| 12:16.17 | wijnand | yeiazel:P |
| 12:16.54 | Chrionix | Why do I mean that? |
| 12:17.07 | ljp_laptop | ohhhhh.. heh |
| 12:17.21 | Chrionix | ljp_laptop has heard my rants about how much I've spent on my Z and how close my gf is to killing me. |
| 12:17.46 | yeiazel | damn... my troll isn't working... |
| 12:18.03 | wijnand | if you spent so much already... how come you dont have a wifi card yet? :P |
| 12:18.21 | yeiazel | I don't have a gf :p |
| 12:18.26 | Chrionix | Cause I live in Australia, and tech down here is rediculously expensive. |
| 12:19.11 | wijnand | yeiazel: and you have no problem with that you say? :) |
| 12:19.23 | ljp_laptop | its those import taxes |
| 12:19.23 | yeiazel | wijnand: no pb with spending money on the Z ;) |
| 12:19.36 | fishy | chrionix: just fly to japan :P |
| 12:19.50 | Chrionix | fishy: Damn! Why didn't I think of that. |
| 12:19.51 | Chrionix | :) |
| 12:20.00 | wijnand | yeiazel: the question remains ;) |
| 12:20.16 | Chrionix | oh, that's right, I'm an impoverished student, and I can't afford to. |
| 12:20.52 | wijnand | maybe your girlfriend figured that out long before you did Chrionix :P |
| 12:21.34 | yeiazel | :) |
| 12:21.40 | Chrionix | wijnand: Oh yeah, she's like my own personal money nazi. :) |
| 12:22.00 | Chrionix | http://www.dhcpower.com.au/catalog/default.php/cPath/14_23 |
| 12:22.19 | Chrionix | half way down is the Mitac $88 CF wireless card |
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| 14:12.49 | dougheckaa | hey TimRiker |
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| 14:44.07 | dougheckaa | hey hey hey kergoth! |
| 14:44.15 | dougheckaa | hows life? |
| 14:44.16 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 14:44.33 | phoen][x | still on the ignore-list? |
| 14:44.49 | dougheckaa | did he put me on it? |
| 14:45.56 | phoen][x | just kidding |
| 14:46.01 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 14:46.08 | kergoth | not too bad. still no cubicle or computer.. but not bad |
| 14:46.27 | dougheckaa | hmm |
| 14:46.29 | dougheckaa | no computer.. |
| 14:46.34 | dougheckaa | how are you supposed to work? |
| 14:46.39 | dougheckaa | pencil and paper? :) |
| 14:46.47 | dougheckaa | no wait... punch cards |
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| 15:04.14 | tbux | Good morning/afternoon/evening (whichever may apply). |
| 15:04.58 | wijnand | hi there |
| 15:05.10 | tbux | Good weekend? |
| 15:05.50 | wijnand | yeah, was nice |
| 15:06.08 | tbux | Cool. Ready for more dumb-ass questions from a Z-newbie? |
| 15:07.00 | phoen][x | yes yes yes |
| 15:07.12 | tbux | I know- it's what we all live for, right? |
| 15:07.17 | flipdesk | must you remind me that the weekend is over |
| 15:07.19 | phoen][x | right |
| 15:07.26 | wijnand | heh |
| 15:07.46 | flipdesk | i refuse to believe it, i'm gonna go watch futurama |
| 15:07.59 | wijnand | tbux: what's the question? |
| 15:08.47 | tbux | When I accumulate a useful body of knowledge I'll be more than happy to share. I just need to get up to that critical mass so I can start to collect my own knowledge. Right- the question: Is there some way I can grab the PIM apps from the Sharp rom and use 'em with the OZ rom? |
| 15:09.03 | phoen][x | yes |
| 15:09.05 | phoen][x | next |
| 15:09.05 | wijnand | yes |
| 15:09.07 | phoen][x | :) |
| 15:09.09 | wijnand | next |
| 15:09.11 | wijnand | :) |
| 15:09.22 | tbux | Cool. Next question- african swallow air speed? |
| 15:09.28 | phoen][x | roflmao |
| 15:09.50 | wijnand | tbux: so you dont like the pim apps that come with oz? |
| 15:09.54 | tbux | No- how do I get the Sharp PIM apps? Is there an ipk somewhere? |
| 15:10.07 | treke | nope |
| 15:10.30 | tbux | I dunno if it's the apps or the IRDA stuff, but I can't seem to get beaming into the OZ rom to work. |
| 15:11.04 | tbux | The beaming part works, but the data apparently don't go (the 2 devices see each other, but there's nothing in the data collected by the Z). |
| 15:11.55 | phoen][x | tbux: the Kompany has some nice apps (well they look nice) |
| 15:12.06 | tbux | Kompany? |
| 15:12.17 | phoen][x | yes |
| 15:12.21 | phoen][x | thats the name |
| 15:12.23 | tbux | Whossat? |
| 15:12.26 | phoen][x | "The Kompany" |
| 15:12.55 | treke | the kompany |
| 15:13.11 | wijnand | tkc |
| 15:13.15 | tbux | K. I've webbed myself there. |
| 15:13.26 | phoen][x | String.toLower( "The Kompany" ); |
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| 15:14.17 | tbux | grep -irl thekompany Earth |
| 15:14.55 | treke | kill -9 phoen][x |
| 15:15.12 | phoen][x | treke: you would have to escape the ][ |
| 15:15.16 | tbux | This may be getting needlessly esoteric. |
| 15:15.24 | phoen][x | kill -HUP phoen\]\[x |
| 15:15.26 | tbux | treke- yes. |
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| 15:16.17 | tbux | So, has the beaming problem been observed by anyone else here? |
| 15:16.19 | wijnand | is it just me or does the kompany's calendar look remarkably like the OZ one? |
| 15:17.52 | tbux | I really like the OZ look better than the Sharp look, but Oz has done some strange things to me over the past couple of days, and I'm getting gunshy. |
| 15:18.13 | treke | wijnand: it's just you |
| 15:18.32 | wijnand | treke so the tkc one is definitely a step up on the evolutionary ladder? |
| 15:18.41 | treke | I didnt say that |
| 15:19.13 | wijnand | let's rephrase then: why should i prefer one over the other? |
| 15:19.42 | tbux | I'm gonna flash with the OZ rom again- have any of you actually beamed anything to an OZ PIM app? |
| 15:19.53 | wijnand | nope |
| 15:19.56 | wijnand | that is: not i |
| 15:20.18 | treke | if you dont like OZ's calender you might like tkcs. Many people do |
| 15:20.37 | tbux | I don't know if I wanna buy anything yet. |
| 15:21.16 | wijnand | so grab the app off the sharp rom then |
| 15:21.24 | yeiazel | tbux: I've tried to beam twice with OZ |
| 15:21.37 | tbux | yeiazel- and? |
| 15:21.52 | yeiazel | I've received some contacts from a palm |
| 15:22.05 | yeiazel | and I've been able to send a contact to a nokia cellphone |
| 15:22.17 | tbux | Hmm. Maybe it was something I screwed in my tweak-and-crash phase of the Z. |
| 15:23.09 | tbux | The OZ address book- is that Opie-addressbook? |
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| 15:23.35 | warmi | hi |
| 15:23.42 | wijnand | hi |
| 15:23.47 | tbux | Hey, warmi |
| 15:23.52 | treke | tbux: yes |
| 15:24.22 | tbux | Hmm. |
| 15:25.12 | kybu | hi warmi |
| 15:26.03 | tbux | So where do I get the sharp rom PIM apps? |
| 15:26.22 | tbux | Or, myabe I should ask "how"? |
| 15:26.23 | warmi | uh ? like as a set of separate ipks ? |
| 15:26.54 | tbux | ....mmmmmmaaaaaaaybe. I'm just trying to find a set that works with beaming. |
| 15:27.42 | treke | tbux: you tar them up on the sharp rom |
| 15:27.54 | treke | and hope they work on OZ :) |
| 15:28.11 | tbux | Ohhhhh. I wish I'd have thought of that before I blew up my ROM. (have oz and sharp on cf tho). |
| 15:31.56 | tbux | I'm beaming stuff from a pocketpc iPaq. The contacts app hangs when I beam a contact to it. |
| 15:33.03 | treke | submit a bug report |
| 15:33.05 | treke | dont tell us |
| 15:34.46 | tbux | I was hoping someone here would've run into it before and knew how to fix it. |
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| 15:46.49 | wijnand | hey ph |
| 15:50.31 | tbux | Ok... gotta go back to work (the problem with beaming appears to be an issue with the iPaq. Palm works ok.) |
| 15:51.06 | treke | pocketpc sends invalid data iirc |
| 15:51.46 | tbux | Yup. Bummer. |
| 15:52.04 | treke | thought that was hacked around though |
| 15:52.15 | tbux | Apparently not in oz. |
| 15:52.35 | tbux | Unless there's a "testing" phase package that I need to know about. Is there? |
| 15:52.41 | treke | ah thats it |
| 15:52.45 | treke | it's probably in unstable |
| 15:53.08 | tbux | Hmm. Maybe I'll try it. |
| 15:53.28 | treke | using unstable is not recommended |
| 15:53.38 | tbux | ...'cuz this ipaq to palm/palm to z thing really blows. (oh. ok.) |
| 15:53.40 | wijnand | no harm in trying |
| 15:54.06 | treke | wijnand: It stands a fair chance of making you reflash |
| 15:54.31 | tbux | Damn. That'd only be about the fortieth time since Friday. |
| 15:54.44 | treke | and it does break on a fairly regular basis |
| 15:56.26 | tbux | The unstable opie-addressbook? |
| 15:57.11 | tbux | Or the address book breaks the z? |
| 15:57.15 | treke | and the new libopie. and the new libqpe. and probably a new ipkg |
| 15:57.25 | treke | and possibly other things |
| 15:57.42 | tbux | Oh. Bummer. |
| 15:58.09 | wijnand | tbux: are you using opie 0.9.9 though? |
| 15:58.24 | tbux | Errr.... |
| 15:58.38 | wijnand | oz came with 0.9.3 |
| 15:58.48 | tbux | no. I'm using 0.9.3 |
| 15:58.55 | wijnand | maybe 0.9.9 would solve all your problems without needing to use unstable packages |
| 15:59.01 | wijnand | hang on ill find you a nice install guide |
| 15:59.06 | tbux | Ooh. I'll try that. |
| 15:59.35 | tbux | Er... how? |
| 15:59.39 | tbux | K. |
| 15:59.48 | wijnand | http://home.nc.rr.com/phluid/opie_0.9.9/opie_0.9.9.txt |
| 16:00.49 | pHluid | I rule. |
| 16:00.55 | wijnand | you do indeed |
| 16:00.58 | wijnand | heh |
| 16:01.11 | pHluid | Looks like a lot of other people on the list had the same prob with those instructions |
| 16:01.15 | pHluid | hangs on the very last package |
| 16:01.23 | pHluid | But forced reinstall by itself works fine |
| 16:01.27 | wijnand | it hung on a random earlier one for me... twice |
| 16:01.40 | pHluid | I think it's ipkg that hangs |
| 16:01.43 | wijnand | yes |
| 16:01.45 | wijnand | i think so too |
| 16:01.52 | pHluid | Not a problem with the packages themselves or anything |
| 16:02.09 | wijnand | and 0.9.9 is a lot better so yeah its worth it |
| 16:02.13 | pHluid | But, eh, worked for me |
| 16:02.20 | pHluid | Indeed, 0.9.9 rules |
| 16:02.26 | pHluid | It's WAY better than 0.9.3 |
| 16:02.32 | pHluid | I've yet to run into a bug with it |
| 16:02.33 | wijnand | i have one question about it though |
| 16:02.48 | pHluid | 0.9.3 I fought bugs on it every damn day ;[ |
| 16:03.10 | wijnand | every time i switch my z on, opie starts checking for documents! i already told it not to search my cf card but... how on earth do i make it stop? :) |
| 16:03.12 | pHluid | Somebody was offering a GCC3 built optimized feed with newer packages, too |
| 16:03.20 | pHluid | Next time I flash I'm gonna try his builds |
| 16:03.22 | wijnand | for 0.9.3? |
| 16:03.59 | pHluid | Nah, basically OZ unstable with a CVS build of opie (1.0-unstable) |
| 16:04.12 | pHluid | but GCC3 compiled with full optimizations, so theoretically faster |
| 16:04.13 | wijnand | ah |
| 16:04.25 | wijnand | how long till 1.0 stable? |
| 16:04.48 | pHluid | "when it's done" |
| 16:04.50 | wijnand | ah |
| 16:04.55 | wijnand | ill just wait then ;) |
| 16:04.59 | pHluid | Opie development is pretty rapid though, so I don't think it'll be TOO long |
| 16:05.06 | wijnand | yeah |
| 16:05.30 | wijnand | good thing about the Z is that all apps are relatively slow and there isnt much variety in hardware |
| 16:05.34 | wijnand | errr |
| 16:05.38 | wijnand | make that relatively small |
| 16:05.40 | wijnand | heh |
| 16:05.46 | pHluid | You were right the first time. ;[ |
| 16:05.49 | wijnand | lol |
| 16:05.57 | wijnand | nah they're not that slow |
| 16:06.09 | pHluid | Also, the CF card thing, I dunno, I had that prob in 0.9.3 also |
| 16:06.14 | tbux | Geez- doesn't get too much easier'n this. |
| 16:06.16 | pHluid | The only way I could fix it was to disable medium mounting entirely |
| 16:06.25 | wijnand | yeah i may have had it then too, but i didnt use that for long :P |
| 16:06.39 | tbux | Having a keyboard right there on the doodad helps a lot. |
| 16:06.47 | pHluid | If you disable medium mounting and use the applet to mount, it fixes it |
| 16:06.55 | wijnand | ahhh ill do that then |
| 16:07.05 | pHluid | just means you have to tap to mount/unmount the card when you want to use it |
| 16:07.07 | wijnand | its not like i keep pulling the thing out all the time anyway |
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| 16:07.15 | pHluid | Yah |
| 16:07.19 | pHluid | Well, I do |
| 16:07.21 | harv | sup all |
| 16:08.38 | wijnand | another problem i encountered (same with 0.9.3) is that when i installed a translation, it wouldnt pop up in the language screen |
| 16:10.06 | wijnand | pHluid: hmmm where do i set that i dont want to use medium mounting? in the medium mount screen all i seem to be able to set are search options :P |
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| 16:15.37 | tbux | Ok- maybe you can offer a tip- how do I get opie running? I'm stuck in text mode. |
| 16:15.47 | wijnand | reboot? |
| 16:15.58 | wijnand | type: shutdown -r now |
| 16:16.06 | kergoth | read the faqs. |
| 16:16.29 | tbux | It came up in this state when I rebooted. |
| 16:16.35 | wijnand | hey kergoth, Coup said congrats on the new job |
| 16:16.45 | wijnand | and that goes for me too btw |
| 16:17.24 | kergoth | tbux: /etc/init.d/syslog start; /etc/init.d/opie start; logread |
| 16:17.26 | kergoth | wijnand: thanks |
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| 16:38.22 | tbux | Ok- I get a message saying "You seem to have a /root/Applications directory. Assuming it is the Opie Applications directory. Exiting." |
| 16:38.38 | treke | that is normal |
| 16:38.59 | wijnand | then why didnt i get one? |
| 16:39.11 | treke | dunno |
| 16:39.24 | treke | you probably didnt have a /root/Applications directory |
| 16:40.11 | tbux | When I get that message, it dumps me back at the command prompt. |
| 16:42.24 | wijnand | good point treke |
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| 16:46.33 | tbux | Where does ipkg put these packages when it downloads them using "upgrade"? |
| 16:47.00 | prh | any SL-C7xx users here? what kind of typeing rate can you get on them? |
| 16:47.07 | kergoth | it downloads them one at a time, to /tmp |
| 16:47.26 | tbux | I'm guessing it clears them off as they successfully install? |
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| 16:49.31 | kergoth | tbux: download package -> install package -> remove local ipk regardless of success/failure |
| 16:49.35 | kergoth | tbux: as i understand it |
| 16:54.15 | tbux | Ah. The second go 'round, it rebooted into opie. |
| 16:55.26 | tbux | Woo HOOO! S#!t's beamin' back and forth now. |
| 16:56.38 | tbux | Amazing how much better things work with a little adult supervision. |
| 16:57.01 | kergoth | congrats |
| 16:57.38 | tbux | Thank you. Couldn't have done it without you. I think I'm goin' to Disneyland. |
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| 17:12.31 | chouimat | hi |
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| 19:06.34 | zoid | what's good for opening/viewing .doc (MS Word) files on the zaurus? |
| 19:06.51 | zoid | I tried with the Hancom app, and it opend all garbled |
| 19:07.05 | pHluid | What ver of the Hancom app? |
| 19:07.36 | zoid | from the old sharp rom |
| 19:07.45 | zoid | i couldn't get them ripped from the new sharp rom |
| 19:08.22 | pHluid | Try upgrading to 1.4.4 |
| 19:08.40 | zoid | is that what's in the newest sharp rom? |
| 19:09.04 | pHluid | 1.5 is what's in the new one |
| 19:09.19 | pHluid | 1.4.4 is the latest released for OZ 3.2/Sharp 2.x |
| 19:09.29 | zoid | where can i get 1.4.4? |
| 19:09.32 | pHluid | http://mobile.hancom.com/download/product_num_reg.html |
| 19:09.43 | zoid | that might be what i'm using actually (i don't have the Z here with me to check :/) |
| 19:09.56 | pHluid | 1.0 is what comes with the ROM. |
| 19:10.51 | zoid | kewl, i'll try that out |
| 19:11.44 | zoid | although i'm not sure if it'll help or not, cuz the .doc's i'm trying to read have text boxes in 'em (which prolly can't be displayed, but they can be on the dell axim and whatever it uses) |
| 19:13.33 | pHluid | I *think* 1.5 allows text boxes |
| 19:13.38 | pHluid | But I'm not completely sure |
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| 19:15.23 | tbux | This thing seems to be working much better. |
| 19:15.48 | tbux | Now that I've hit it with a hammer and dipped it in saltwater a couple of times. |
| 19:15.57 | doughecka | cool |
| 19:16.06 | tbux | Whazzup, D? |
| 19:16.17 | doughecka | cake |
| 19:16.18 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:16.53 | tbux | Cool. Can you offer a new z-geek (zeek?) a tip on doing serial dialup on the z? |
| 19:17.09 | tbux | Is there some front-end somewhere? |
| 19:17.20 | doughecka | nope, I dont use dial up, nor serial :) |
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| 19:17.37 | tbux | Pffth! How do you ssh from the golf course?! |
| 19:17.44 | doughecka | wireless :P |
| 19:17.48 | zoid | pHluid: any idea where/if i can get 1.5 of the hancom apps? |
| 19:17.50 | doughecka | and a big antenna |
| 19:18.16 | zoid | pHluid: it'd be VERY helpful to be able to open these files on my Z, rather then my desktop |
| 19:18.19 | tbux | Pringles can duct-taped to the your sand wedge, waving it in the air... |
| 19:18.29 | doughecka | yea |
| 19:18.43 | tbux | Cool. I think I've seen you out there. |
| 19:19.00 | doughecka | I wear a big pengiun suit too |
| 19:19.14 | tbux | Yeah- I bet putting in that thing is a bitch. |
| 19:19.42 | doughecka | I have it on all the time :P |
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| 19:20.10 | doughecka | genuin penguin leather |
| 19:20.12 | doughecka | :D |
| 19:20.29 | tbux | You snuffed TUX!?! You BASTARD! |
| 19:20.46 | doughecka | lol |
| 19:21.06 | pHluid | zoid: No, you can't. |
| 19:21.09 | tbux | Ah, well. I guess it's dial-up the hard way. |
| 19:21.11 | pHluid | Try 1.4.4 |
| 19:21.52 | doughecka | baud |
| 19:22.08 | tbux | I bet boud is even slower. |
| 19:22.18 | doughecka | yea |
| 19:22.45 | tbux | Satellite? |
| 19:22.58 | doughecka | radio |
| 19:23.00 | doughecka | :P |
| 19:23.04 | doughecka | shortwave |
| 19:23.08 | tbux | Ooh. Packet? |
| 19:23.10 | tbux | Cool. |
| 19:23.18 | doughecka | yah, but I dont do the worldwide stuff |
| 19:23.38 | doughecka | only local at 1200 :P I could upgrade to 9600 baud.. |
| 19:24.07 | doughecka | or get a better radio and do 56 kb :) |
| 19:24.27 | tbux | You could always drag a directv dish around behind you. |
| 19:24.38 | doughecka | hmmm |
| 19:24.42 | doughecka | golf cart.. |
| 19:24.42 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:24.58 | tbux | mmmmmmmmmm...yyyyyeeaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh... |
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| 19:28.10 | tbux | So, would we be z-geeks or zeeks? |
| 19:28.53 | doughecka | both? |
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| 19:33.53 | zoid | pHluid: i'll try 1.4.4 once i get home (then i'll have access to my Z), i'm just curious, where's 1.5 at, and what's it used on? why can't i get it? |
| 19:34.21 | pHluid | zoid: Because nobody has figured out how to rip it from the 3.1 Sharp ROM yet. |
| 19:34.40 | zoid | pHluid: so 1.5 is in the new sharp rom? |
| 19:35.13 | zoid | maybe i'll just flash to sharp tonight and test my word doc's (with text boxes) in there (if they won't work in 1.4.4) |
| 19:35.16 | pHluid | yeh. |
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| 19:55.00 | mark | hi all |
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| 20:05.49 | flipdesk | bah, its already 102 out |
| 20:06.34 | doughecka | buuummmmer |
| 20:06.39 | doughecka | its like, 73 here |
| 20:16.46 | doughecka | its like, so cool |
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| 20:38.10 | cdm | afternoon. |
| 20:38.23 | doughecka | evening |
| 20:38.24 | doughecka | :P |
| 20:39.00 | cdm | ha |
| 20:39.13 | doughecka | actully its 4:39 |
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| 20:43.03 | malfman | I'm thinking about buying a Zaurus C760 in Japan, how difficult is it, to 'transform' it into an english version? |
| 20:43.34 | rgrep | malfman: buy one from dynamism.com. they translate them for you. |
| 20:43.49 | cyn | if you're going to use openzaurus then get it from japan |
| 20:43.51 | rgrep | malfman: and the total price (including the zaurus) is only US$799. |
| 20:43.59 | malfman | the difference is like 300$ |
| 20:44.22 | cyn | dynamism's translation is basically changing the locale, and then a BUNCH of work to get the hancom apps working properly |
| 20:44.24 | malfman | yes, in japan, it costs 70.000 yen, which is like 500? |
| 20:44.31 | malfman | ?=EUR |
| 20:44.37 | cyn | changing the locale is super easy to do yourself |
| 20:44.47 | cyn | so if you don't need hancom apps, don't pay the $300 surcharge |
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| 20:44.58 | cyn | tho it also buys a 1yr warranty - so... |
| 20:45.21 | TheMasterMind1 | malfman: http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?s=5be76b086a395e018104222ab77fc215&act=ST&f=27&t=3668 <- cheap c7x0 with warranty |
| 20:46.12 | malfman | thanks for the link, gonna read this... |
| 20:46.29 | pHluid | I dunno if I'd call it "cheap" |
| 20:46.39 | TheMasterMind1 | cheaper |
| 20:46.39 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:47.28 | cyn | my first computer was a $2000 286 with a 20meg hd and a hercules monochrome monitor |
| 20:47.34 | cyn | cheap is relative |
| 20:47.43 | cyn | well, my first 'real' computer |
| 20:47.48 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:47.50 | rgrep | I didn't realise the C760s were that cheap. I saw them on shop.conics.net for US$729. That makes the US$799 for the translated version not very expensive. |
| 20:48.12 | TheMasterMind1 | the third page is where it gets more interesting |
| 20:48.23 | TheMasterMind1 | group buying, with warranty, from conics |
| 20:49.08 | malfman | my parents are going to travel to japan this summer, and the current prices of 70'000 Yen sound quite fair... :) |
| 20:49.41 | doughecka | sugar convert 70000 yen to USD |
| 20:49.49 | pHluid | Six bucks. |
| 20:49.53 | doughecka | ah |
| 20:49.56 | doughecka | thanks sugar |
| 20:49.59 | Sugar | Doughecka: You're welcome! |
| 20:50.33 | pHluid | There's always another bot coming between us, doughecka. ;[ |
| 20:50.39 | doughecka | yea.. |
| 20:50.44 | doughecka | between all us bots |
| 20:50.44 | doughecka | :P |
| 20:51.03 | TheMasterMind1 | sugar what is 70000 yen in usd |
| 20:51.15 | malfman | 1 EUR ~ 140 Yen |
| 20:51.15 | doughecka | ~convert 70000 yen to USD |
| 20:51.22 | TheMasterMind1 | don't use ibot to convert |
| 20:51.27 | TheMasterMind1 | its old as crap conversion units |
| 20:51.28 | doughecka | ~convert 70000 yen to dollars |
| 20:51.30 | TheMasterMind1 | yen is much cheaper now |
| 20:51.34 | doughecka | ah |
| 20:51.36 | doughecka | oh? |
| 20:51.37 | TheMasterMind1 | use xe.com |
| 20:52.14 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.14 | TheMasterMind1 | Japan Yen = 590.424 USD |
| 20:52.14 | TheMasterMind1 | United States Dollars |
| 20:52.23 | doughecka | not bad |
| 20:52.23 | doughecka | :) |
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| 20:53.21 | malfman | weak dollar atm... |
| 20:53.26 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:53.36 | TheMasterMind1 | weak dollar or weak yen? |
| 20:53.40 | doughecka | both? |
| 20:53.42 | malfman | both |
| 20:53.46 | malfman | strong euro ;) |
| 20:54.04 | doughecka | gold is strong :P |
| 20:54.13 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
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| 20:54.41 | shaunj | has anyone used the new v3 sharp rom? |
| 20:54.46 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 20:54.54 | shaunj | how is it? |
| 20:54.57 | malfman | would you recommand me buying the C760 or C750 (70'000/60'000 Yen) ? |
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| 20:57.28 | mirko123 | hi |
| 20:57.58 | mirko123 | someone teste mplayer on the zaurus with a divx ? How good is the quality ? |
| 20:59.11 | mirko123 | is it possible to play 320x240 divx4,mp3 sound without framedrops ? |
| 20:59.33 | TheMasterMind1 | mirko123: mplayer should play that well |
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| 21:00.08 | TheMasterMind1 | malfman: i dunno. i really don't like the color on the c750.. but then again, the c760 is thicker and i dunno if the extra flash space is worth the money |
| 21:01.11 | mirko123 | TheMasterMind1: thx, iam searching for a nice divx player... And the zaurus looks great.. :) |
| 21:01.22 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 21:01.42 | TheMasterMind1 | i bet it'd be even sweeter on the c750/c760 with the new pxa255 with actually unbuggy cache |
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| 21:03.11 | mirko123 | but ists mutch more expensive ... |
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| 21:04.07 | zaurus_lover | Hi Folks ... |
| 21:04.19 | zaurus_lover | have a question on Intellisync ... |
| 21:04.57 | zaurus_lover | I read on externe.net that I should download a trial version from Pumatech and then copy certain DLLs to the Sharp Intellisync folder ... |
| 21:05.07 | zaurus_lover | it doesnt mention which DLLS ... is there a list anywhere ? |
| 21:06.06 | shaunj | so does anyone have any comments on the v3 sharp rom? |
| 21:06.22 | oGMo | shaunj: it's way way way better than the v2 rom |
| 21:07.12 | oGMo | the only thing i wish it did that it doesn't was provide exceptions to recurring events on the calendar |
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| 21:16.39 | shaunj | is it better than OZ (in your opinion) |
| 21:16.59 | oGMo | better is utterly dependent on what you're doing |
| 21:17.14 | oGMo | and i havne't tried the latest OZ |
| 21:17.47 | shaunj | I'm mostly using the wlan to check e-mail and such while I'm walking around campus |
| 21:18.05 | oGMo | i'd say that if you use your Z for PIM stuff primarily or exclusively, sharp is probably the way you want to go for now... if you use it for hacking linux or non-pim apps, OZ is probably the way to go |
| 21:18.32 | oGMo | you might want OZ in that case, since there's konqueror_lite and you can pare it down to what you want |
| 21:18.38 | oGMo | i'm not sure what opie has for email though |
| 21:19.00 | oGMo | but if you're oding more network-oriented stuff, it's easier to trim and customize the oz rom |
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| 21:24.09 | cdm | hey chouimat |
| 21:24.58 | chouimat | hey cdm wassup |
| 21:25.06 | cdm | not too much. |
| 21:25.21 | cdm | so I haven't gotten the touch screen working yet. |
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| 21:26.34 | chouimat | cdm: I just found out that a cd contenaining info on some device I need to work with was defect and it's was the reason why my linux box crashed once in a while |
| 21:27.28 | cdm | yeah, CD's can be nasty. |
| 21:28.07 | chouimat | cdm: to copy a 147876 bytes files it took 5minutes and then the box freeze |
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| 21:30.40 | chouimat | hey ljp_laptop |
| 21:32.18 | ljp_laptop | hi |
| 21:32.24 | doughecka | DIE!!!! |
| 21:32.26 | doughecka | er |
| 21:32.28 | doughecka | hi ljp_laptop |
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| 21:35.44 | ljp_laptop | doughecka: did you forget to take your ritalin again? |
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| 22:18.27 | tbux | How many others in here have had Opie 0.9.9 eff up their z? |
| 22:19.31 | tbux | Yo, douhecka? You running opie 0.9.9? |
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| 22:21.09 | tbux | fdask- you run opie 0.9.9 |
| 22:21.10 | tbux | ? |
| 22:25.50 | fdask | umm |
| 22:25.56 | fdask | i run openzaurus 3.2 stable |
| 22:26.04 | fdask | whatever opie that comes with |
| 22:26.14 | tbux | Oh. K. |
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| 23:41.32 | BuckNaked | sup all |
| 23:43.31 | BuckNaked | ljp_laptop: I found the linker error issue that was creating so many problems yesterday. If you get a chance...take a look at my description/solution at http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=57921&highlight=zaurus |
| 23:43.47 | BuckNaked | ljp_laptop: and thanks again for all the help! |
| 23:46.31 | ljp_laptop | ok. sure |
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