| 00:00.27 | bobbyd | hi |
| 00:00.40 | bobbyd | any c700 owners here? |
| 00:03.37 | cyn | yo |
| 00:07.46 | cyn | bobbyd: yo |
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| 00:10.32 | Brklyn | hello everyone.... |
| 00:10.53 | dougheckaa | DIE!!!! |
| 00:10.54 | dougheckaa | er |
| 00:10.56 | dougheckaa | hi. |
| 00:11.13 | Brklyn | does anybody know how the latest official Sharp ROM, that includes all the updates for the zaurus 5600 compares to oz 3.2??? |
| 00:19.08 | warmi | Brklyn: I don't Sharp intention was to update their ROm to the level of OZ |
| 00:19.43 | Brklyn | thanks warmi |
| 00:19.44 | George`OutaHere | warmi: Did I tell you I managed to hack CGI:IRC a content filtering system, which means I can annoy this channel from school as well :) |
| 00:19.44 | Brklyn | ;) |
| 00:20.19 | warmi | yeah, you mentioned that heh |
| 00:20.39 | George`OutaHere | warmi: I hate perl :P |
| 00:21.29 | George`OutaHere | ok, I'm gone |
| 00:21.58 | aTypical_ | Brklyn: I'm using it and so far it's great with the exception of no Linux support. |
| 00:22.22 | Brklyn | aTypical_: I personally am pretty impressed with oz myself |
| 00:23.12 | Xumbi | I'm using oz 3.2 as we speak :) |
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| 00:24.04 | aTypical_ | Brklyn: Me too, but I'm so new to this I have want to try them all. |
| 00:24.23 | Brklyn | aTypical_: I'm in a similar situation.... ahahaha ;) |
| 00:25.27 | warmi | I had my zaurus since april 2002 and I never flashed it ... not even once :-) |
| 00:26.00 | aTypical_ | warmi: What ROM version are you using? |
| 00:26.00 | Brklyn | warmi: don't you feel tempted?? |
| 00:26.36 | warmi | I don't remember .. some ancient stuff .. but I don't use it as a PDA , I only use it is a testing platform for my apps etc |
| 00:27.03 | aTypical_ | Oh, I see. You're one of those smart guys who actually programs the darn things. |
| 00:27.34 | warmi | I won the darn thing in the programming contest which was organized by trolltech back in december 2001 |
| 00:27.43 | warmi | heh |
| 00:27.45 | Brklyn | warmi: but you don't really need that though... right?? you could actually use the qtopia environment in your own pc... right?? |
| 00:28.19 | warmi | I do use Qtopia enviroment when I can .. but for example for ZSurface I had to work on the actually device since large parts of it were written in arm ASM |
| 00:28.53 | cyn | hella badas |
| 00:28.54 | cyn | +s |
| 00:29.00 | warmi | but yeah, on average I spent 90 % of time coding for qvfb ( framebuffer emulator) |
| 00:29.04 | warmi | it is much easier that way |
| 00:29.31 | cyn | you mean qpe-1.3.1-bin-x86 equivalent |
| 00:30.02 | Brklyn | yeah I guess... I don't do much myself... I wish I knew more... ahaha... but I do all my console stuff through ssh.... I mean linux begs for us to use the terminal... but with the minute keyboard... it gets kind of annoying!! ;) |
| 00:30.29 | aTypical_ | I have a dumb question. If I connect to my zaurus through VNC should I be able to control it from the remote location? |
| 00:30.46 | warmi | I just compiled Qtopia on X86 and I am running it using qvfb ( which comes with qt embedded) |
| 00:31.00 | warmi | of course |
| 00:31.18 | Brklyn | yup... no prob... |
| 00:31.28 | aTypical_ | I can't control mine. Is there something special I need to do to enable it? |
| 00:31.35 | warmi | reboot |
| 00:31.36 | Brklyn | but you'd probably want to control your pc from the zaurus through vnc.... |
| 00:31.56 | cyn | not neccessarily |
| 00:31.57 | warmi | reboot your Z and magically you will be able to control it :-) |
| 00:32.05 | cyn | if you wanna enter massive data into addressbook/etc. |
| 00:32.13 | aTypical_ | warmi: Really? |
| 00:32.13 | warmi | well, it worked for me .. that's the easiest solution |
| 00:32.14 | cyn | full keyboard and mouse for moving fields might be nice |
| 00:32.20 | Brklyn | cyn... you just took me to school.... ;) |
| 00:32.34 | cyn | awww on a saturday, damn sorry man |
| 00:32.35 | warmi | yeah, there is something going on .. I don't remember what and I don't care .. they told me that reboot would fix it |
| 00:32.37 | warmi | so why bother :-) |
| 00:32.49 | Brklyn | ahaha, no problem man... |
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| 00:33.35 | warmi | roooooooooot has landed |
| 00:33.36 | warmi | .. |
| 00:33.40 | warmi | he .. just kidding :-) |
| 00:33.41 | cyn | man this dsl sucks |
| 00:33.54 | cyn | round-trip min/avg/max = 86.3/729.4/1942.1 ms |
| 00:35.05 | aTypical_ | I must be doing something wrong. I just powered up and started vnc but I still can't control it. |
| 00:35.08 | Brklyn | oz 3.2 users did you all have problems setting up mediaplayer2 with AQPackage??? |
| 00:35.47 | Brklyn | I mean you get the beautiful icon and all... aahaha... but it doesn't start up when you tap it... |
| 00:35.53 | warmi | well, I am sorry then .. this is how I got it to work |
| 00:36.18 | aTypical_ | warmi: Thanks for the suggestion. |
| 00:37.29 | aTypical_ | Time for dinner. See y'all later. |
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| 00:38.21 | Brklyn | no one had problems setting up mediaplayer2? |
| 00:40.06 | Chrionix | guys, I just install the sharp 3.10 ROM, but the package didn't come with any Z apps. Is there anywhere I can get Hancom Word? |
| 00:46.27 | Chrionix | if there are more recent versions than those supplied with the Z. |
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| 00:47.14 | Joelw | I think you have to rip them off into ipks before you flash it with OZ |
| 00:47.53 | Joelw | (or find someone that has) |
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| 00:48.59 | Chrionix | Joelw: I'm just using the 3.10 Sharp rom, but it doesn't have all the apps built into the OS package. |
| 00:49.27 | Joelw | Erm. Do you have a C700? Where'd you get the ROM from? |
| 00:49.37 | Chrionix | no, just a sl5500 |
| 00:49.56 | Chrionix | I'll find the link again if you want |
| 00:49.58 | bobbyd | Joelw: i have a c700, there's an experimental OZ rom and feed |
| 00:50.25 | Joelw | Chrionix: Oh right. I've no idea - I'd have thought those apps would be in there, too :( |
| 00:50.58 | Chrionix | Joelw: yeah, maybe I'll have to flash back to 2.39, rip the apps, then go back... arg |
| 00:51.17 | Chrionix | Is OZ any good? I'm thinkin of giving it a bash. |
| 00:51.30 | bobbyd | i havent got it working yet |
| 00:51.32 | Joelw | Chrionix: See if there's someone that's already done that who is willing to send them to you |
| 00:51.38 | bobbyd | but from getting the shell working it rocks |
| 00:51.54 | bobbyd | depends what you want to use your Z for |
| 00:52.07 | bobbyd | i want to develop on it so I want all my linux toolz ;) |
| 00:53.14 | Chrionix | bobbyd: Yeah, cool, but you get most linux tools for the sharp rom don't you? |
| 00:53.25 | Chrionix | I'm a newcomer to the Zaurus community. :) |
| 00:55.02 | bobbyd | Chrionix: I want dev tools, gcc, editors |
| 00:55.14 | bobbyd | the sharp rom is a bit closed, I want full control ;) |
| 00:55.24 | bobbyd | but as I said, it's very subjective... |
| 00:55.27 | Chrionix | bobbyd: On my sharp rom, I've got gcc and MinIDE |
| 00:55.44 | Chrionix | yeah, I think I will have a look |
| 00:55.53 | bobbyd | yup, but i've got a jap c700, none of the stuff build for the 5500 works... |
| 00:56.01 | bobbyd | so for me OZ is a godsend ;) |
| 00:56.41 | Chrionix | ahhh, cool |
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| 00:58.37 | Chrionix | heya ljp_laptop |
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| 00:58.58 | cyn | all of the stuff for 5500 should work on the sharprom for c700 bobbyd - except a very small subset that does really weird stuff |
| 00:59.03 | cyn | it just looks shoddy :) |
| 00:59.23 | Chrionix | So anyone got any hancom office .ipk's that they would be happy to send me? |
| 00:59.46 | Chrionix | Save me the pain of flashing back to 2.39 |
| 00:59.52 | ljp_laptop | hi chrionix |
| 01:01.10 | Chrionix | what's happening man? |
| 01:02.35 | ljp_laptop | moving out of my house. |
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| 01:02.55 | ljp_laptop | staying at my parents till I can leave for Au |
| 01:04.10 | treke|ho1e | ljp_laptop: save money. take off now and swim for au |
| 01:04.39 | ljp_laptop | hmmmm |
| 01:04.49 | dougheckaa | he needs a visa card |
| 01:04.49 | Chrionix | treke: You are a genius! |
| 01:04.51 | ljp_laptop | I'd rather fly. thanks |
| 01:04.57 | dougheckaa | to pay for his plane |
| 01:05.00 | dougheckaa | and wings |
| 01:05.02 | dougheckaa | and feathers |
| 01:05.05 | dougheckaa | and goggles |
| 01:05.08 | bobbyd | cyn: i think the filesystem is different |
| 01:05.14 | bobbyd | gcc doesnt install properly |
| 01:05.18 | ljp_laptop | maybe I can get one of the concord jets. I'll bet they are selling for cheap |
| 01:05.24 | bobbyd | loads of packages dont seem to work.. |
| 01:05.31 | dougheckaa | ljp_laptop: Dont leave home without your visa! |
| 01:05.50 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 01:05.57 | Chrionix | or your tooth brush |
| 01:06.36 | Chrionix | Hancom word peeps, someone must have an .ipk! |
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| 01:07.31 | Chrionix | or not... |
| 01:07.35 | dougheckaa | there is |
| 01:07.40 | dougheckaa | myzaurus.com |
| 01:07.44 | dougheckaa | look for the rom upgrade |
| 01:07.49 | dougheckaa | there is a zip that includes the apps |
| 01:08.03 | Chrionix | as ipk's? |
| 01:08.09 | dougheckaa | yup |
| 01:08.14 | dougheckaa | but it dont really work with OZ |
| 01:08.15 | dougheckaa | :Z |
| 01:08.21 | Chrionix | okay, thanks |
| 01:09.34 | cyn | bobbyd: the version of openzaurus you flashed is w/ gcc 3.2 - it's not binary compatible with the stuff out there compiled for 5500/etc. - you need to pull ipkgs from the feed directory where you got the files to flash with |
| 01:09.44 | cyn | s/3.2/3 not 2/ |
| 01:10.39 | bobbyd | cyn: i'm talking about stuff not working on the sharp rom... |
| 01:11.46 | fdask | i redownloaded the hancom apps as ipks from the handango site i believe |
| 01:12.51 | Chrionix | dougheckaa: Are you sure you can get Hancom Office bro? I've found the terminal etc, but not the Hancom Suite. |
| 01:13.07 | dougheckaa | look for the latest ospack |
| 01:13.10 | dougheckaa | its with it |
| 01:13.15 | dougheckaa | as another download |
| 01:13.26 | dougheckaa | dat veir I got it |
| 01:13.37 | Chrionix | 3.10? |
| 01:13.45 | dougheckaa | hmm, I suppose |
| 01:13.49 | dougheckaa | what ever is the latest |
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| 01:15.01 | fdask | anyone here use a battery pack/extender, like the ones selling on ebay, with their zaurus? |
| 01:15.47 | Chrionix | dougheckaa: God I'm an idiot, thanks man |
| 01:17.54 | dougheckaa | :) |
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| 01:21.12 | protag | I get my first Zaurus on Monday. Any hints for a newbie? (OZ,Crow, etc?) |
| 01:22.23 | fdask | protag: if u want to flash to a dif rom, make sure u get a 16M (or bigger) compact flash card |
| 01:22.45 | protag | My 256M Kingston showed up yesterday...:) |
| 01:23.26 | protag | I am hoping to eventually try MPEG4's with TckVideo |
| 01:24.32 | ljp_laptop | charge it up fully first |
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| 01:25.01 | protag | can I run it from tha AC adapter while I charge the first time? |
| 01:25.08 | ljp_laptop | buy all the zaurus apps at handango |
| 01:25.24 | ljp_laptop | ya |
| 01:25.36 | protag | phew |
| 01:26.00 | ljp_laptop | cept you cant open the keyboard with the cradle. well for 5500 anywya |
| 01:26.13 | protag | i don't think i could keep my hands off of it if it was in front of me.. |
| 01:26.27 | ljp_laptop | :) |
| 01:32.10 | peptm | hi all. I just bought a wireless SMC 2642W card, which was reported to work on z (even recommended!) |
| 01:32.43 | peptm | but it does not work :( no life signals. cardctl ident reports "no product info" |
| 01:32.56 | ljp_laptop | hmm |
| 01:33.08 | peptm | so it's like if the card is not detected at all... any ideas? |
| 01:33.21 | ljp_laptop | google..? |
| 01:33.43 | peptm | :) a lot of it already... still trying, no luck. |
| 01:34.05 | Brklyn | has anyone used the jeodecreator?? |
| 01:34.17 | ljp_laptop | hmm. might try the forums at zaurus.com |
| 01:34.34 | peptm | every advice starts when the card is recognised... i already updated wlan-ng.conf with the manfid found by googling |
| 01:35.12 | peptm | ok. thanks |
| 01:37.02 | Brklyn | if someone has managed to get jeode up and running... I'd really appreciate if they could solve this doubt I have... I get "stuck" on step 9 of the howto at www.openzaurus.org |
| 01:37.13 | Brklyn | jeode on oz of course!! xD |
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| 01:41.20 | Brklyn | mutexer: do you have jeode in your openzaurus?? |
| 01:41.35 | mutexer | I dont have openzaurus |
| 01:44.32 | Brklyn | thanks... |
| 01:44.35 | Brklyn | ;) |
| 01:44.40 | Brklyn | I'll keep on trying |
| 01:45.32 | fdask | Brklyn, where is the guide u are following? |
| 01:45.51 | fdask | i got a Jeode ipk creator from killefiz b4 flashing to OZ. haven't tried reinstalling it tho |
| 01:46.48 | Brklyn | http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=92 |
| 01:46.53 | Brklyn | I think I figured it out... |
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| 01:53.11 | Brklyn | yeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhh I got it running!!! xDD |
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| 02:00.41 | bobbyd | Brklyn: but java stinks of wee, why would you want it? |
| 02:00.44 | bobbyd | :) |
| 02:02.41 | bobbyd | night |
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| 02:15.00 | treke|ho1e | noidd: ping |
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| 02:31.39 | Marsupilami23 | Anyone know what the default png icon is called for todo? |
| 02:32.53 | treke|ho1e | todolist? |
| 02:33.05 | Marsupilami23 | yes |
| 02:33.09 | treke|ho1e | todolist? |
| 02:33.26 | Marsupilami23 | I've upgraded to the 0.9.9 feed and the todolist doesn't have its icon |
| 02:33.42 | treke|ho1e | read the mailing list archives |
| 02:34.03 | Marsupilami23 | ok thanks |
| 02:34.46 | treke|ho1e | good for you |
| 02:35.21 | Marsupilami23 | yay |
| 02:37.34 | Brklyn | take it easy everyone... I'm outties... |
| 02:42.21 | Marsupilami23 | treke|ho1e: I'll take my sarcasm back now, I actually found something usefull in that huge archive. |
| 02:43.06 | fdask | whats the url for the archives |
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| 02:44.17 | Marsupilami23 | http://handhelds.org/mailman/listinfo/opie |
| 02:44.49 | Marsupilami23 | Now I need to fix mailit |
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| 03:16.18 | protag | could someone give me a little linux help so I can get Qtopia SDK running? |
| 03:18.38 | ljp_laptop | could try |
| 03:19.25 | ljp_laptop | whats the problem |
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| 03:20.31 | protag | I have been following the QT how-to |
| 03:20.45 | protag | but I have Mandrake 9 with gcc3.2 |
| 03:21.07 | protag | how do I install gcc2.95, rpm says i cant |
| 03:21.49 | ljp_laptop | is there a 2.95 compat rpm? |
| 03:22.27 | protag | yes but when i try to rpm -Uhv blah.blah it says that things depend on 3.2 |
| 03:23.08 | protag | er and possibly needs cpp2.95 |
| 03:24.46 | fdask | ibot: seen rev|pda |
| 03:24.46 | | rev|pda <~rev|pda@24-197-180-73.dul.mn.charter.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 12d 5h 6m 39s ago, saying: 'yoo'. |
| 03:24.56 | fdask | ibot: seen rev|desk |
| 03:24.56 | | rev|desk <~rev@kplz175b3.d.umn.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 10d 10h 25m 2s ago, saying: 'but man'. |
| 03:27.23 | ljp_laptop | hmm |
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| 03:29.09 | fdask | ljp_laptop, AdvancedFm is your creation? |
| 03:29.16 | chouimat | hmmmmm |
| 03:29.25 | protag | would this work "rpm -e --nodeps gcc"? |
| 03:29.56 | ChipX86|Coding | dependencies exist for a reason |
| 03:30.45 | ljp_laptop | ya that might screw things up a bit. you might be able to compile gcc using say --prefix=/usr/local |
| 03:31.09 | ljp_laptop | and making sure that your environment os correct when developing for qtopia |
| 03:31.11 | ChipX86|Coding | the rpm they provided worked fine for me |
| 03:31.14 | treke|ho1e | what kind of broken distribution wont let you install 2.95 and 3.2 at the same time |
| 03:31.24 | protag | mandrake9 |
| 03:31.24 | ljp_laptop | but I dont know how gcc3 and gcc2 live together very well |
| 03:31.25 | ChipX86|Coding | you sure you're installing the correct one? |
| 03:31.43 | treke|ho1e | ljp_laptop: they coexist just fine |
| 03:31.49 | ljp_laptop | ok. noted |
| 03:32.08 | ljp_laptop | its not like the libc5 -> libc6 thing |
| 03:32.36 | protag | no, i just searched for "gcc 2.95 rpm" and found it at kernel.org |
| 03:32.43 | ChipX86|Coding | protag: ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/source/qtopia-free-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm <-- is that what you're looking for? |
| 03:32.47 | ChipX86|Coding | " Contains the needed Linux libraries and headers for Open Source, GPL Qtopia development." |
| 03:33.02 | protag | A-ha! |
| 03:33.02 | ChipX86|Coding | nm |
| 03:33.09 | ChipX86|Coding | I was thinking it included gcc |
| 03:33.31 | protag | the how-to had me downloading qt 1.5.0 |
| 03:34.06 | ChipX86|Coding | I use 1.5.0. Does 1.6.1 only work with the new ROM? |
| 03:34.46 | treke|ho1e | 1.5 is what you want for the new rom |
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| 03:35.45 | ljp_laptop | 1.5.4 of qtopoadesktop if thats what you mean |
| 03:38.03 | protag | so I should be able to install gcc 2.95 without removing 3.2? If I know it's possible I can keep trying |
| 03:39.55 | ChipX86|Coding | protag: rather than -Uvh, try -ivh when you want them to sit side-by-side |
| 03:40.04 | ChipX86|Coding | if they can sit side-by-side, it'll install it. If not, it won't |
| 03:40.22 | chouimat | hey ljp |
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| 03:41.56 | protag | ChipX86: Thanks, I'll give it a shot. |
| 03:44.16 | ljp_laptop | hey choui |
| 03:45.25 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: anything new? |
| 03:45.55 | chouimat | I'm back from the cinema .... |
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| 03:46.17 | ljp_laptop | nope. not really |
| 03:46.49 | chouimat | I the movie was very good |
| 03:49.06 | ljp_laptop | Quel film? |
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| 03:55.45 | ljp_laptop | 'night |
| 03:59.25 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night |
| 04:03.54 | fdask | with openzaurus, which bit of the filesystem is the flashrom? |
| 04:10.01 | treke|laptop | the root directory |
| 04:10.32 | treke|laptop | and any directory that isnt mounted |
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| 04:51.07 | omoore | anyone here know of a command line recording application for the zaurus? |
| 04:56.37 | treke|laptop | sox? |
| 04:56.53 | treke|laptop | I think it can record |
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| 05:01.24 | omoore | Aand sox can run on the Zaurus? |
| 05:01.29 | omoore | stock zaurus? |
| 05:01.32 | treke|laptop | its a linux program |
| 05:01.35 | omoore | (once installed) |
| 05:01.36 | omoore | right... |
| 05:01.50 | omoore | but do you know if it has been compiled for the zaurus platform? i'll look into it... |
| 05:01.53 | omoore | thx |
| 05:02.03 | treke|laptop | it's probably in debian |
| 05:02.11 | omoore | k |
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| 05:51.41 | Zxcvb | any opieplayer 2 users here? |
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| 06:11.52 | rickyb | anybody, is it possible to change the fonts on the V3.10 rom? |
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| 06:32.52 | Zxcvb | anyone know if encoding to xvid instead of divx 3.11 will stop opieplayer from crashing sometimes when seeking? |
| 06:33.13 | treke|laptop | probably not |
| 06:34.51 | Zxcvb | why does opieplayer2 often crash when fast forwarding or going back in a divx? |
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| 06:35.20 | treke|laptop | dont know. probably a known bug |
| 06:36.08 | Zxcvb | what else works? |
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| 06:42.15 | Zxcvb | treke|laptop: what do you use for divx on the Z? |
| 06:42.32 | darmou | I use Dr Z it rocks |
| 06:42.50 | treke|laptop | Zxcvb: opieplayer2 |
| 06:43.14 | Zxcvb | treke|laptop: do you have lots of crashes when using the slider to go forward and backwards in a divx? |
| 06:43.15 | darmou | I bought tkcVideo recently, waste of money. I found opiemediaplayer a bit unstable |
| 06:43.38 | Zxcvb | treke|laptop: if not, what codec do you use? |
| 06:43.52 | treke|laptop | Zxcvb: I use whatever codec the file uses |
| 06:43.55 | Zxcvb | darmou: I will try the dr.z demo version |
| 06:44.03 | treke|laptop | It has in the past crashed on the scrollbar |
| 06:44.03 | Zxcvb | treke|laptop: no, when you encode? |
| 06:44.12 | treke|laptop | Zxcvb: I dont |
| 06:44.16 | Zxcvb | treke|laptop: for me, it always crashes |
| 06:44.35 | Zxcvb | treke|laptop: use the scrollbar 2 or 3 times, automatic crash |
| 06:44.55 | Jesper | i think i b0rked my CF card |
| 06:45.08 | Jesper | Now whenever i pop it in, qtopia freezes |
| 06:45.24 | darmou | Does anynone know the best way of encoding video, someone on the tkc mailing list suggested 15fps with a lengh of 240 rather than 320. |
| 06:45.28 | Jesper | If i have it in, then boot, it locks on the "white zaurus screen" |
| 06:45.29 | Zxcvb | Jesper: take it to a windows box with a reader and do a scandisk? |
| 06:45.42 | Jesper | Zxcvb: Hehe, need a reader :/ |
| 06:45.56 | Jesper | I can boot into console mode and read it |
| 06:46.08 | Jesper | Is there any scandisk like tool installed on the z? |
| 06:46.15 | fdask | fsck |
| 06:46.17 | Jesper | I tried using fsck, but i couldnt figure it out |
| 06:46.26 | Jesper | fdask: You quickie :D |
| 06:46.40 | Jesper | fdask: How do i tell fsck to scan the CF slot? |
| 06:47.01 | fdask | darmou: go for a swim with urs or something? |
| 06:47.15 | fdask | fsck /mnt/cf maybe? |
| 06:47.21 | Jesper | tried it, didnt work |
| 06:47.32 | Jesper | Want me to do it again and give you the error? |
| 06:47.36 | Zxcvb | Jesper: walmart has a $25 one from kodak that will read CF (including microdrive), mmc/sd, memory stick, smart media, and one other |
| 06:48.07 | darmou | No droped it in the sink, worked ok after for a while the next day it was dead and I had to put in for repair, hopefully the damage is not too bad:( |
| 06:48.13 | Jesper | Zxcvb: ITs problematic to find a wally world in sweden ;) |
| 06:49.13 | darmou | Has anyone tried the pocketop keyboard? |
| 06:51.03 | Zxcvb | I was wondering the same thing |
| 06:51.35 | Zxcvb | does the pocketop work fully with keypebble, including the alt key (like if I press Alt-8, will the remote system recieve it from keypebble?) |
| 06:51.59 | Zxcvb | or press alt-f4 on the pocketop keyboard, will that close the window on a remote windows system? |
| 06:52.15 | treke|laptop | if the pocketop works it will work with keypebble |
| 06:54.57 | darmou | Have a look at craig's site http://angela1.data-uncertain.co.uk/~zaurus/ when it becomes avaliable (it is down at the mo) |
| 06:55.40 | fdask | darmou, was the sink full of water? |
| 06:55.45 | darmou | He is the person who wrote the driver for it. I am hoping that i can get the keyboard to map to the dvorak layout |
| 06:55.53 | darmou | fdask yes |
| 06:56.33 | treke|laptop | unless the pocket op does something nasty there shouldnt be any problems |
| 06:57.24 | Zxcvb | treke|laptop: it's a qtopia input method |
| 06:57.39 | treke|laptop | then you'll be fine |
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| 06:57.51 | Zxcvb | treke|laptop: the alt key on the onscreen keyboard doesn't work at all, though |
| 06:57.59 | treke|laptop | then submit a bug report |
| 07:00.02 | Zxcvb | where can you buy a pocketop keyboard, except online? |
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| 07:11.21 | oob | anyone maanage to get zconsole to successfully connect ? |
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| 07:11.47 | kybu | hi xavier |
| 07:16.20 | XavierXeon | hi kybu |
| 07:16.38 | treke|laptop | hey kybu |
| 07:17.12 | treke|laptop | kybu: bipolar added iqnotes to openzaurus |
| 07:18.07 | kybu | treke|laptop you mean he added it to the rom.bin? |
| 07:18.30 | XavierXeon | i guess he added it to the feed |
| 07:18.34 | treke|laptop | it's in the buildsystem so it get compiled and added to the openzaurus feeds |
| 07:18.44 | treke|laptop | I doubt it will be on the default images :p |
| 07:19.03 | kybu | heh :) nic, thanx for info :) |
| 07:19.06 | kybu | nice |
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| 07:28.48 | rbryan | Wow- don't you people ever sleep? |
| 07:28.59 | ChipX86|Coding | people sleep? |
| 07:29.13 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 07:29.44 | ChipX86|Coding | didn't think so |
| 07:30.02 | TheMasterMind1 | never |
| 07:30.21 | rbryan | Ok- well, here's prolly an easy one for ya... How can I get qtopia desktop to sync with the OZ calendar & contacts apps? I can actually see the Z from QtD, but the contacts and appointments don't show ip. |
| 07:30.25 | rbryan | s/ip/up/ |
| 07:31.24 | rbryan | Or should I be using a different set of PIM software? |
| 07:35.10 | darmou | Not really worth trying to sleep at 5:30pm mabey later on in the eveneing:) |
| 07:35.37 | rbryan | Ok, but how about the pim software sync with OZ? |
| 07:35.59 | fdask | has anyone tried the version of demolinux put together for Z dev? |
| 07:36.08 | fdask | http://www.pellicosystems.com/devolinux/zdevolinux/index.html |
| 07:36.12 | rbryan | Not here. |
| 07:37.10 | fdask | ive got 60% of the iso currently. |
| 07:37.21 | fdask | hopefully it works out alrigh |
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| 07:40.03 | darmou | I really like pellicosystems wireless usb connection http://www.wirelesscables.com/products/ZaurusWCI.html |
| 07:40.34 | darmou | I'ts a nicer bluetooth solution than taking up a cf slot |
| 07:42.01 | rbryan | Anyone here able to sync contacts with qtopia desktop and oz? |
| 07:46.42 | oob | rbryan: i'm just installing qtD, ask me in ten minutes |
| 07:47.33 | vadim | darmou: very interesting device |
| 07:48.33 | darmou | vahim as soon as I saw it I ordered one:) |
| 07:51.24 | vadim | I'm not sure it can work with my c700 |
| 07:54.53 | oob | darmou: what console software on your Z do you use with it |
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| 07:55.21 | frankps | hi all |
| 07:57.06 | vadim | oob: according to specs, anything |
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| 07:57.42 | vadim | that is usual ppp connection. like ordinsary bluetooth |
| 07:58.04 | oob | vadim - i'm look at the rs232 version, for use as a serial console |
| 08:00.15 | vadim | oob: do you have free usb port? |
| 08:00.33 | vadim | why namely rs232? not usb? |
| 08:01.26 | oob | sun boxes |
| 08:06.15 | darmou | oop I have orbered it but it has not yet arrived, I am using os x so i'm using samba, to mount the zaurus as a disk and ftp to tranfer files and a program which syncs contacts to the Os X address book |
| 08:07.07 | darmou | That's with the standard usb networking so I'll be doing the same with the new bluetooth device. There is qtopia for os x comming soon |
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| 08:07.47 | darmou | sorry the qtdesktop |
| 08:09.59 | oob | ok |
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| 11:32.27 | fdask | did killefiz.de/zaurus go down? |
| 11:42.47 | nofpu | seems to be pointed at a different site atm? |
| 11:43.24 | nofpu | try http://zsi2.stonekeep.com/index.php? |
| 11:47.25 | fdask | thanks nofpu |
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| 11:47.52 | nofpu | np |
| 11:48.40 | fdask | anyone doing java compiling on their Z? |
| 11:48.57 | Twiun | occasionally :) |
| 11:49.34 | fdask | what do u use? Kopi? |
| 11:49.44 | Twiun | jikes |
| 11:50.34 | fdask | on which rom? |
| 11:51.12 | Twiun | I've done both, OZ and Sharp |
| 11:51.40 | fdask | does it come with either rom? or is it something seperate u setup? |
| 11:52.02 | Twiun | haven't done a great deal of java, have you? |
| 11:52.30 | Twiun | jikes is a standalone native compiler from IBM - it needs a separate class library (usually classes.zip from jdk1.1.8) |
| 11:52.42 | Twiun | or wre.jar from the Wonka JVM |
| 11:53.27 | fdask | i've done a bit of java. my inexperience shows tho eh? :P |
| 11:53.56 | Twiun | well... that or you've been doing java solely under windows |
| 11:54.10 | Twiun | :) |
| 11:54.34 | Twiun | doing java on the Z is no different than doing it under a linux desktop in most respects |
| 11:54.48 | mithro | i've seen many people write non-portable java |
| 11:55.07 | Twiun | yeah, I'm doing that atm... lots of JNI :) |
| 11:55.35 | Twiun | but yeah, new File("C:\\somefile") is quite common these days |
| 11:56.08 | fdask | heh |
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| 12:05.36 | mark | Twiun: now regretting not working :) |
| 12:07.03 | Twiun | mark: exam's tomorrow? |
| 12:13.07 | mark | Twiun: tuesday |
| 12:13.20 | Twiun | ack |
| 12:14.07 | mark | Twiun: quite |
| 12:15.22 | Twiun | ~whee |
| 12:15.22 | | ACTION sticks its fingers up its nose and goes "Wheeeeee!" |
| 12:15.28 | Twiun | ~whee |
| 12:15.28 | | ACTION sticks its fingers up its nose and goes "Wheeeeee!" |
| 12:15.32 | Twiun | hmmm |
| 12:16.03 | Twiun | someone overwrote my "... sticks his arms out and flies around the room, going 'Wheeeee!'" |
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| 12:38.18 | George`OutaHere | fooooooood |
| 12:38.39 | George`OutaHere | ~factinfo whee |
| 12:38.39 | | whee -- last modified at Sun Jan 5 15:53:34 2003 by Twiun!~twiun@adorphuye.com; it has been requested 12 times, last by Twiun, 23m 11s ago. |
| 12:38.46 | George- | ~whee |
| 12:38.46 | | ACTION sticks hi arms out and flies around, going "Wheeeeeee!" |
| 12:49.18 | George- | hi ljp_laptop |
| 12:50.46 | ljp_laptop | 'elo |
| 12:52.08 | George- | mum. encyclopaedia. favour. honour. colour. |
| 12:54.24 | ljp_laptop | beeeeaaaatch! |
| 12:54.40 | ljp_laptop | do you spell mother like mouther? |
| 12:55.30 | George- | mother. |
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| 13:02.27 | Chrionix | hey all, is it possible to have the sharp rom ospack on a cf card as well as the OZ files, when flashing a new rom? |
| 13:04.35 | fdask | is the flashing procedure identical for both? |
| 13:04.41 | fdask | i've only done the OZ flash... |
| 13:05.01 | Chrionix | I like to keep the ospack on the cf card, my second last flashing experience almost resulted in me not being able to sync the Z. |
| 13:05.10 | Chrionix | Which is my only means of writing to a CF card. |
| 13:05.45 | Chrionix | It is the same process, I'm not sure if it defaults to one file or the others though |
| 13:07.54 | ljp_laptop | hmm, good question |
| 13:08.12 | Chrionix | hey ljp |
| 13:08.35 | Chrionix | I flashed the rom before, and I almost lost my ability to put the OSPACK on the cf card. |
| 13:08.37 | ljp_laptop | you could always get a cd reader/writer for your desktop |
| 13:08.51 | Chrionix | yeah, I was thinking of that. |
| 13:08.57 | ljp_laptop | I have been saved a couple times by the fact I have two z's |
| 13:09.00 | Chrionix | just loading up a broswer atm |
| 13:09.24 | Chrionix | ljp_laptop: Yeah, I don't want to run into trouble I can't get out of. |
| 13:09.53 | Chrionix | I almost had a coronary when I thought I couldn't write to the flash card. |
| 13:11.31 | ljp_laptop | been there. done that. |
| 13:13.07 | Chrionix | hrmmm, I really want to try out OZ, I might just brave it and see how I go. |
| 13:13.32 | Chrionix | I shouldn't have any trouble, but after the last time I vowed to always have the OSpack on the card. |
| 13:19.31 | ljp_laptop | kergoth or treke might know more about the flash procedure |
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| 13:20.06 | Chrionix | I just read on the faq that transferring the files to the CF card over usb has a pretty good chance of corrupting them. |
| 13:20.32 | Chrionix | using the usbdnet driver that is. |
| 13:20.38 | fdask | hehe |
| 13:20.48 | fdask | wouldn't be surprised |
| 13:22.39 | ljp_laptop | I use scp |
| 13:22.46 | ljp_laptop | over usb |
| 13:23.07 | Twiun | and checking md5sums is always a good idea |
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| 13:33.27 | Chrionix | Is there an md5 checker for the Z? |
| 13:34.15 | dougheckaa | md5sum |
| 13:34.17 | dougheckaa | its built in |
| 13:34.30 | Chrionix | ah, sweet |
| 13:37.58 | George- | dougheckaa: I wish you'd shut up |
| 13:37.59 | George- | :P |
| 13:38.53 | phoen][x | SNEAK |
| 13:39.07 | George- | phoen][x: shut up |
| 13:39.18 | phoen][x | i didnt say two words |
| 13:50.35 | fdask | is there an option for the busybox cp that will allow me to copy symbolic links and not the files they link 2? |
| 14:11.04 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:11.25 | George- | oh dear |
| 14:12.55 | chouimat | George-: we all love you George- |
| 14:12.57 | chouimat | :) |
| 14:13.16 | fdask | anyone know if ipkg will take the -d parameter and prefix it to symbolic links contained within the ipk? |
| 14:17.08 | George- | chouimat: Back to school tonight |
| 14:17.52 | George- | but don't forget I have a hacked CGI:IRC :) |
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| 14:19.06 | George2 | moohahaha |
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| 14:19.59 | George2 | hi heatxsink |
| 14:27.41 | chouimat | George-: the problems is not you're going back to school, it's they let you in in the first place |
| 14:28.05 | George2 | chouimat: bastard. |
| 14:28.14 | George2 | hrmm, damn |
| 14:28.19 | chouimat | George2: hehe |
| 14:28.43 | chouimat | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030601&mode=classic |
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| 14:29.18 | bobbyd | hi |
| 14:29.36 | bobbyd | does anyone here have usb-over-ethernet working from linux to the zaurus? |
| 14:29.42 | bobbyd | to OZ even... |
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| 14:30.31 | heatxsink | hi George2 |
| 14:30.36 | heatxsink | how are ya? |
| 14:38.55 | George2 | my irc client filtered that to <filtered> :) |
| 14:39.00 | George2 | (bastard) |
| 14:39.05 | George2 | hey heatxsink |
| 14:39.09 | George2 | I'm fine |
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| 14:39.17 | Skyhusker | hi all |
| 14:39.21 | George2 | yo |
| 14:39.39 | Skyhusker | anybody can tell me where can i find main differences between 5500 and 5500G? which is better? |
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| 14:47.23 | George- | oh dear, it's mark |
| 14:47.25 | George- | hide! |
| 14:48.16 | George2 | Skyhusker: 5500G is the German model. 5500 is the English model. |
| 14:48.45 | chouimat | hey mark |
| 14:48.58 | Skyhusker | George-: so, there are no diferences, only the name, it isn't? |
| 14:49.06 | George- | Skyhusker: yeh |
| 14:49.28 | Skyhusker | George-: thx ;) |
| 14:49.43 | mark | hi chouimat, George- |
| 14:50.25 | George- | mark: getting ready to go back to school tonight :( |
| 14:50.54 | mark | George-: HAHA |
| 14:51.16 | chouimat | George-: and they will keep you cut of the world for the next 3 years? |
| 14:51.20 | mark | George-: but you're gonna be on irc right? |
| 14:51.26 | George- | mark: when? |
| 14:51.33 | mark | George-: while at school? |
| 14:51.36 | mark | oh no, you dont have a laptop |
| 14:51.42 | George- | mark: have no laptop. |
| 14:51.57 | mark | George-: take your other one |
| 14:52.03 | George- | no. |
| 14:52.08 | George- | It's here serving you idiot :P |
| 14:52.16 | chouimat | mark: they will search is laptop before giving him the authorisation to use it :) |
| 14:52.23 | George- | chouimat: rubbish. |
| 14:52.57 | George- | I'll have my Zaurus though |
| 14:53.01 | mark | chouimat: heh |
| 14:53.13 | chouimat | George-: :-P |
| 14:53.23 | mark | chouimat: do you think he gets searched for unauthorized material before being allowed into the school? |
| 14:54.06 | chouimat | mark: nm |
| 14:54.37 | mark | chouimat: strip search? :) |
| 14:54.44 | chouimat | mark: hehe |
| 14:55.07 | George- | weird people.; |
| 14:57.01 | mark | heh |
| 14:57.19 | George- | I don't see the humourous side of being perverted. |
| 14:57.26 | George- | sick fucks :P |
| 14:57.41 | mark | chouimat: he's a bit touchy about it |
| 14:58.02 | chouimat | ok I'm back ... just finished give a bath to my cat .... |
| 14:58.15 | chouimat | George-: and yes I'm bleeding |
| 14:59.30 | George- | chouimat, iirc, likes a car battery, his cat and a pair of croc clips. |
| 15:00.17 | chouimat | mark: I'm wondering who is the pervert me or George-? |
| 15:00.53 | George- | you. |
| 15:01.40 | chouimat | George-: you will need to explain how you use a car battery to have fun .... |
| 15:04.20 | George- | chouimat: perhaps you'd better do it, as you have the experience. |
| 15:06.29 | chouimat | George-: I don't remeber having such experience ... may you have mistaken me with someone else |
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| 15:44.18 | rbryan | ~ yawn |
| 15:45.04 | rbryan | Did anyone ever figure out how to get the contacts back out of qtopia desktop and back into the oz pim? |
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| 16:02.59 | rbryan | Did anyone ever figure out how to get the contacts back out of qtopia desktop and back into the oz pim? |
| 16:03.21 | chouimat | rbryan: entered them manualy in your zaurus :) |
| 16:04.24 | rbryan | Ooh. I was hoping I wouldn't hear that. If I do that, this'll be twice. Once for the original Sharp ROM and once for the OZ ROM. |
| 16:08.54 | chouimat | rbryan: keep asking ... I don't use qtopia desktop |
| 16:09.08 | rbryan | K. Whadaya use? |
| 16:20.57 | George- | rbryan: a lot of people don't use their Zs for PIM :) |
| 16:22.38 | George- | cool, I scared him off. |
| 16:23.26 | yeiazel | :) |
| 16:23.56 | chouimat | George-: stop being bitchy |
| 16:24.25 | George- | no |
| 16:24.25 | George- | :P |
| 16:25.10 | chouimat | George-: ok ... damn! the 2 chicks that work at the grocery asked me if I wanted to go at a party with them tonight |
| 16:25.23 | George- | chouimat: they must be desperate. |
| 16:26.10 | chouimat | George-: nah! they want a threesome :) |
| 16:26.25 | George- | chouimat: as I said, they must be desperate. |
| 16:26.39 | chouimat | George-: and anyway I can't go I have a vpn installation tomorrow morning |
| 16:27.13 | bobbyd | chouimat: listen, go with the girls, that's what you're supposed to do.... |
| 16:27.32 | chouimat | bobbyd: hehe |
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| 16:27.57 | chouimat | bobbyd: I might ask them to go see George- in england ... |
| 16:28.11 | bobbyd | chouimat: i'm telling you, in later life you'll with you had |
| 16:28.14 | bobbyd | ;) |
| 16:28.22 | George- | WHAT?!?! |
| 16:28.40 | bobbyd | i'm so pissed off, I cant find my CF writer anywhere |
| 16:28.46 | bobbyd | I think someone stole it from work |
| 16:29.07 | chouimat | bobbyd: ouch |
| 16:29.12 | bobbyd | now i'm left with a broken OZ install and a useless c700 until I either find the writer or buy another one... |
| 16:29.17 | chouimat | George-: :-P |
| 16:29.51 | George- | bobbyd: do you have a laptop? |
| 16:29.57 | bobbyd | nope |
| 16:30.03 | George- | bobbyd: oh |
| 16:30.04 | bobbyd | only 2 pc's |
| 16:30.12 | George- | bobbyd: cause the PCMCIA CF card readers are really cheap |
| 16:30.15 | George- | ~5 USD |
| 16:30.16 | George- | or whatever |
| 16:30.39 | bobbyd | i could buy another one, but I already OWN ONE!!!!!!!>!>!?!?!?! :) |
| 16:30.43 | bobbyd | grrr |
| 16:30.47 | phoen][x | the usb writers arent expensive either |
| 16:30.58 | George- | phoen][x: as cheap as $5? :) |
| 16:31.00 | chouimat | bobbyd: look at the last place you put it |
| 16:31.18 | bobbyd | I cant even transfer the files over usb cos the OZ install is fux0rd and usbd0 wont come up... |
| 16:31.24 | phoen][x | George-: nope. but most pcs dont have pcmcia slots.. :) |
| 16:31.26 | bobbyd | chouimat: I last saw it at work... |
| 16:31.32 | George- | phoen][x: :) |
| 16:31.38 | George- | phoen][x: I only use laptops, so I'm ok |
| 16:31.59 | chouimat | phoen][x: George- is rich |
| 16:32.14 | George- | chouimat: nah, it's just that desktops are useless for me |
| 16:32.19 | George- | chouimat: I need to cart it around lessons |
| 16:32.21 | bobbyd | how do I do ctrl-C in OZ? |
| 16:32.30 | George- | bobbyd: fn-C |
| 16:32.49 | bobbyd | hmm, doesnt kill the app.... |
| 16:34.00 | chouimat | George-: that a point |
| 16:34.20 | George- | chouimat: otherwise I'd have got a dp athlon mp 2200+ :) |
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| 16:41.58 | Ignatius | Hello. |
| 16:42.29 | Ignatius | I'm trying to figure out if I want a linux powered pda or a windows powered one...can the linux ones sync to windows apps as well as linux ones? |
| 16:42.47 | dougheckaa | what windows apps? |
| 16:42.57 | Ignatius | like outlook |
| 16:42.59 | Ignatius | that sort of thing |
| 16:43.21 | dougheckaa | yea |
| 16:43.25 | dougheckaa | I think is does |
| 16:43.30 | Ignatius | What linux apps does it sync with? |
| 16:43.30 | dougheckaa | check out myzaurus.com |
| 16:43.40 | dougheckaa | that I dont know |
| 16:43.44 | Ignatius | hmm... |
| 16:44.17 | Ignatius | I lean more toward linux because I like it better than Windows, but I don't have any idea about the quality of the linux pdas |
| 16:44.52 | dougheckaa | hmm, someone might help you, I use windows :) |
| 16:45.08 | Ignatius | I'm under Windows right now :-/ |
| 16:45.25 | Ignatius | Simply because linux game support sucks, and when I can't get to DoD or Splinter Cell, bad things happen. |
| 16:45.39 | dougheckaa | exactly |
| 16:46.12 | Ignatius | How's the zaurus ms office compatibility? |
| 16:46.37 | George- | I gotta survive a week without a computer |
| 16:46.39 | George- | WAAAAA |
| 16:46.41 | dougheckaa | hrm, dont know, I dont sync at all |
| 16:46.44 | George- | I'll only have my Zaurus :( |
| 16:46.51 | dougheckaa | is that bad? |
| 16:47.15 | dougheckaa | Ignatius: I only use CF cards to transfer stuff, I never even use teh usb |
| 16:47.35 | Ignatius | At some point I'd even like to run OS X on my pc with a dual boot linux. |
| 16:47.47 | Ignatius | I'm told Mac will at some point release it for Intel |
| 16:47.50 | dougheckaa | lol |
| 16:48.01 | dougheckaa | never |
| 16:48.01 | dougheckaa | :P |
| 16:48.03 | Ignatius | I guess they've already got it running on some Pentium 4s, no AMD yet. |
| 16:48.08 | Ignatius | Well ya gotta admit, OS X is nice. |
| 16:48.17 | Ignatius | OS 9 and earlier sucks, and I can't stand them. |
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| 16:48.41 | Ignatius | They decided to stop making designs that they found on the public bathroom wall. |
| 16:50.08 | dougheckaa | I have run OS 7 on my zaurus :P |
| 16:50.18 | dougheckaa | kinda slow |
| 16:50.20 | dougheckaa | but cool |
| 16:50.26 | dougheckaa | in color with sound |
| 16:51.10 | dougheckaa | but if they made a OS X for intel, they would have to redo all the mac apps |
| 16:51.43 | mewyn` | OS9 and below is horrible |
| 16:51.49 | Ignatius | dougheckaa I guess they're doing it |
| 16:52.04 | Ignatius | They already have OS X running on Pentium 4s |
| 16:52.05 | dougheckaa | bet $5 they wont :P |
| 16:52.13 | Ignatius | gui n all |
| 16:52.16 | dougheckaa | unless they do a total conversion |
| 16:52.22 | dougheckaa | and get rid of G4s |
| 16:52.23 | dougheckaa | and macs |
| 16:52.38 | cyn | have you seen osx running on p4s |
| 16:52.47 | cyn | or is this just unsubstantiated rumor you're touting |
| 16:52.59 | Ignatius | They won't get rid of it |
| 16:53.04 | Ignatius | they're trying to compete with Microsoft. |
| 16:53.18 | mewyn` | i doubt they will use it |
| 16:53.19 | Ignatius | A friend of mine is a die-hard mac addict and this is what he tells me. I believe him. |
| 16:53.39 | Ignatius | He seems to know what he's talking about when it comes to that sort of tihng. |
| 16:53.42 | cyn | i admit, since osx was almost a complete rewrite, it's possible - but it doesn't make sense to do that, macs stability is because of its strict core hardware + THEY write the drivers |
| 16:53.51 | Ignatius | Of course only time will tell, they might decide never to release it. Who knows. |
| 16:54.04 | Ignatius | Since it runs off a UNIX kernel its much easier to port to pc, I assume. |
| 16:54.34 | dougheckaa | they have the darwin running on pc |
| 16:54.35 | cyn | potato potato, the point is that they would lose all their benefits of a strict core hardware setup for stability, so it shouldn't be done |
| 16:54.37 | dougheckaa | but no gui |
| 16:54.55 | Ignatius | Mac has the gui running from what I understand. |
| 16:55.06 | cyn | that's no biggie |
| 16:55.08 | mewyn` | it wouldn't take much |
| 16:55.10 | Ignatius | They just haven't released it yet like they have with Darwin, since you know...that whole profit thing. |
| 16:55.32 | cyn | there's no profit in it |
| 16:55.35 | dougheckaa | the gui isnt everything |
| 16:55.38 | cyn | they'd spend billions on support |
| 16:55.44 | cyn | even if they could do it all |
| 16:55.48 | dougheckaa | its the most buggyest too |
| 16:55.54 | Ignatius | Well they could, I think. |
| 16:55.59 | cyn | because of the ten million hardware combinations |
| 16:56.09 | cyn | yeah the us could crash all its planes into its gradeschools too |
| 16:56.12 | Ignatius | If they were smart they'd release it the same time as Windows 2003 to try to get their foot in the door. |
| 16:56.15 | cyn | they won't, not intentionally |
| 16:56.23 | Ignatius | So when people go to the store and see OS X next to it they might think about getting away from Windows. |
| 16:56.28 | cyn | no that would be the worst time to release it |
| 16:56.35 | Ignatius | what makes you think so? |
| 16:56.39 | cyn | all the early bugs would only boost win2k3's support |
| 16:56.47 | cyn | "yeah I tried mac for intel and it SUCKED" |
| 16:56.55 | Ignatius | heh, true |
| 16:57.04 | cyn | ya gotta look at the big picture :) |
| 16:57.16 | dougheckaa | now if apple made there own intel boxes... |
| 16:57.34 | dougheckaa | it might be possible, but then even classic mode wont work |
| 16:57.49 | Ignatius | Don't you think they'll dump classic mode eventually? |
| 16:58.05 | dougheckaa | and all apps would be: windows, OS 9, OS X, OSXintel |
| 16:58.10 | dougheckaa | nope |
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| 16:58.15 | dougheckaa | maybe in the far future |
| 16:58.16 | Ignatius | Classic mode seems like a very inefficient, unprofessional means of backward capabilities... |
| 16:58.41 | Ignatius | don't mean to change the topic real quick, but maybe you people can help me with this |
| 16:58.59 | Ignatius | My father needs to backup stuff for his business...What would be the best means of doing that? |
| 16:59.06 | dougheckaa | tape |
| 16:59.07 | Ignatius | Like solid backups |
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| 16:59.16 | Ignatius | eh.. |
| 16:59.25 | Ignatius | What about a rackmount? |
| 16:59.27 | dougheckaa | tape or DVDs, or many cdroms |
| 16:59.33 | dougheckaa | ? |
| 16:59.39 | Ignatius | Those are kinda volatile |
| 16:59.50 | dougheckaa | safer than hard drives |
| 16:59.58 | dougheckaa | and cheaper |
| 17:02.49 | George`School | be back in 4 weeks or so. |
| 17:02.53 | dougheckaa | lo |
| 17:02.54 | dougheckaa | llol |
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| 17:02.54 | dougheckaa | woo |
| 17:02.56 | dougheckaa | hes gone! |
| 17:02.57 | dougheckaa | wooo |
| 17:03.01 | dougheckaa | ;)_ |
| 17:03.21 | George`School | not quite. |
| 17:03.40 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 17:03.47 | dougheckaa | I am poisen |
| 17:04.03 | dougheckaa | ulch, that meat was taited, you feel deadly sick |
| 17:04.06 | find_me | i needed a antidote |
| 17:04.26 | dougheckaa | um, ok |
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| 17:11.24 | Ignatius | Does the zaurus have a transcriber like the windows ones do? |
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| 17:12.35 | dougheckaa | like |
| 17:12.46 | dougheckaa | drawing handwriting thing? |
| 17:14.13 | Ignatius | yes |
| 17:14.21 | Ignatius | the thing that you just write cursive on the screen |
| 17:14.22 | dougheckaa | yea, it has one |
| 17:14.48 | Ignatius | Cool. |
| 17:14.58 | Ignatius | What software would I use to keep directions? |
| 17:15.08 | dougheckaa | hhm |
| 17:15.12 | Ignatius | Like if I wanted to drive from Boston to Hartford, for example. |
| 17:15.20 | Ignatius | like the mapquest idea |
| 17:15.20 | dougheckaa | text edit :) |
| 17:15.23 | Ignatius | ga |
| 17:15.24 | Ignatius | bno |
| 17:15.28 | Ignatius | I want something nice |
| 17:15.32 | Ignatius | Any software out on that idea? |
| 17:15.32 | dougheckaa | hrm |
| 17:15.38 | dougheckaa | maybe |
| 17:16.52 | dougheckaa | dont know |
| 17:16.59 | dougheckaa | you can write some software :) |
| 17:17.57 | mark | George`School: you gone? |
| 17:19.53 | Ignatius | I'm not THAT good...yet |
| 17:20.15 | Ignatius | But you can be sure at some point I will be writing software for it. |
| 17:20.25 | Ignatius | It's just difficult because most colleges don't offer UNIX classes |
| 17:20.32 | Ignatius | It's all C++/java under Windows |
| 17:20.50 | dougheckaa | they have gcc for the zaurus |
| 17:21.04 | dougheckaa | and handhelds.org has a compile cluster |
| 17:21.11 | Ignatius | Can you buy a mini-keyboard for it with full sized keys? |
| 17:21.17 | dougheckaa | hmm |
| 17:21.20 | dougheckaa | dunno |
| 17:21.21 | Ignatius | something to that effect |
| 17:21.27 | dougheckaa | maybe |
| 17:21.41 | Ignatius | If I'm gunna do any serious programmer on it I think I'd go out of my mind with those little built-in buttons |
| 17:21.54 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 17:22.20 | Ignatius | probably doesn't have curly braces anyway. |
| 17:22.54 | dougheckaa | hmm, you could ssh into it |
| 17:22.54 | dougheckaa | :) |
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| 17:23.01 | dougheckaa | but thats... dumb |
| 17:23.30 | Ignatius | yes it is. |
| 17:23.53 | Ignatius | If I was gunna ssh into it I might as well do all the work on a computer and just put the file into the pda |
| 17:24.05 | dougheckaa | its linux, so you can write software for anything |
| 17:24.22 | Ignatius | Under Card Slot it says no copyright protection feature |
| 17:24.24 | Ignatius | what' |
| 17:24.26 | Ignatius | what is that? |
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| 17:24.54 | dougheckaa | SD wont have a secure setting |
| 17:24.58 | dougheckaa | it just reads it |
| 17:25.02 | dougheckaa | and writes it |
| 17:25.22 | Ignatius | that a good or a bad thing? |
| 17:25.26 | Ignatius | Or does it even really make a difference? |
| 17:25.37 | dougheckaa | nah |
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| 17:30.24 | Ignatius | Alright, thanks for the help. I gotta get goin. |
| 17:31.17 | George`School | mark: not quite |
| 17:31.21 | George`School | mark: in about 1/2 minute I am |
| 17:31.29 | mark | George`School: buh buy |
| 17:31.35 | George`School | mark: cya :P |
| 17:31.44 | mark | George`School: wish me luck for my exams |
| 17:31.48 | George`School | mark: I'll prolly be back on after GCSEs and stuff |
| 17:31.49 | chouimat | George`School: bye george |
| 17:31.51 | George`School | mark: good luck :P |
| 17:31.57 | chouimat | gcse? |
| 17:31.59 | George`School | cya chouimat |
| 17:32.11 | George`School | chouimat: public exams, piss easy but boring as hell. |
| 17:32.24 | George`School | ok, I'm gone |
| 17:32.24 | chouimat | George`School: k |
| 17:32.35 | chouimat | YAY! |
| 17:32.47 | dougheckaa | woo |
| 17:32.53 | mark | woohoo |
| 17:32.55 | chouimat | George`School: pervert |
| 17:35.38 | ljp_laptop | Fuck! |
| 17:35.52 | ljp_laptop | hmm |
| 17:35.58 | George`School | back |
| 17:36.19 | ljp_laptop | shit! |
| 17:36.29 | ljp_laptop | hmm |
| 17:36.31 | George`School | ok, gone again |
| 17:37.01 | ljp_laptop | george must have subverted his kick |
| 17:37.10 | ljp_laptop | damn it |
| 17:38.05 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: he's not in school yet |
| 17:38.43 | ljp_laptop | bastard |
| 17:38.47 | ljp_laptop | go to school |
| 17:38.52 | ljp_laptop | ;) |
| 17:46.53 | mark | chouimat: he's moissed out a whole host of swear words on his filtering system |
| 17:47.43 | chouimat | mark: damnit |
| 17:48.09 | mark | chouimat: no, thats good. George-: cunt should get him kicked |
| 17:50.43 | chouimat | mark: but we lost all fun |
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| 17:58.00 | ljp_laptop | ya. no more fun |
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| 19:08.35 | daveZ | i'm trying to register to the zaurus developer program but i get an error: first name and last name are mandatory fields |
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| 19:10.59 | daveZ | even though i insert them |
| 19:11.42 | daveZ | could you help me? |
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| 19:13.30 | QuantumSpin | daveZ: waht browser are you using |
| 19:13.35 | QuantumSpin | what... |
| 19:15.42 | QuantumSpin | if you experience problems try another. Mozilla and IE are usually the most compatablr. konquoeror has some problems still and text browsers are the last thing people test their web site with. |
| 19:16.05 | QuantumSpin | I hate this keyboard!! |
| 19:20.37 | masticator | that developer registration script sucks balls |
| 19:20.55 | masticator | davez: if it doesnt work email spencer |
| 19:21.03 | masticator | huangs@sharpsec.com |
| 19:21.43 | masticator | man killefiz is down |
| 19:21.45 | masticator | that sucks balls |
| 19:29.49 | treke|laptop | mornin masticator |
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| 19:34.05 | masticator | wow both killefiz and handango are down |
| 19:36.39 | ChipX86|Coding | masticator: working for me |
| 19:37.05 | masticator | killefiz.de is showing a file directory, not html |
| 19:37.17 | masticator | and I get a jrun error for handango |
| 19:37.19 | treke|laptop | works for me |
| 19:37.32 | hobbs | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ works fine here |
| 19:37.46 | masticator | nyet |
| 19:37.53 | masticator | maybe its my cache at my isp |
| 19:40.11 | hobbs | something like that. |
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| 20:04.32 | rbryan | Is there something that I need to know about beaming data from an ipaq to a zaurus that will make it work consistently? |
| 20:05.22 | hobbs | me no do IrDA. :) |
| 20:05.33 | treke|laptop | rbryan: yes. put linux on the ipaq |
| 20:06.10 | rbryan | Ah, yes. That would help, wouldn't it. It would also have the added benefit of blowing up *all* my contacts. Wait... that wouldn't be a benefit. |
| 20:06.22 | treke|laptop | says you |
| 20:06.33 | rbryan | True. Say I. |
| 20:06.53 | hobbs | I dunno, you might have some contacts that deserve exploding. |
| 20:07.39 | rbryan | I do, but that's not really the point. Ok... how about pushing data from Qtopia Desktop back to the Z? I can get it to go the other way just fine, but not from the desktop to the Z. |
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| 20:21.43 | zaurus_lover | Hi Folks I have a question on my C750 |
| 20:22.12 | masticator | sure |
| 20:22.23 | zaurus_lover | In System Info : The total memory shows 62120KB <--- this one is ok ... since the C750 has 64 MB SDRAM |
| 20:22.38 | zaurus_lover | In the Storage tab, it shows : |
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| 20:23.08 | zaurus_lover | Internal Flash Total : 32768MB : Used 20640 Kb, 12128 KB |
| 20:23.18 | zaurus_lover | This should also be 64 MB Correct ????? |
| 20:23.23 | masticator | nope |
| 20:23.33 | masticator | because 32mb is used entirely for the system image |
| 20:23.43 | zaurus_lover | why ? The C750 was identified as 64/64 ? |
| 20:23.46 | masticator | and then there is working space the OS uses within flash |
| 20:24.07 | hobbs | zaurus_lover: I'm detecting an excess of interrogative indicators in your proximity. |
| 20:24.12 | chouimat | hey masticator |
| 20:24.14 | zaurus_lover | right, but at least for the Total it should show 64 and then whats available ? |
| 20:24.34 | masticator | they didnt design it that way. |
| 20:24.38 | zaurus_lover | or does the C750 have 64 RAM and 32 Flash ? |
| 20:24.39 | masticator | its not intuitive. |
| 20:24.45 | zaurus_lover | ok |
| 20:24.50 | masticator | has 64 and 64 |
| 20:24.53 | masticator | oh wait |
| 20:24.54 | zaurus_lover | ah i c |
| 20:25.02 | masticator | the 750 has less than the 760 |
| 20:25.12 | masticator | yeah its 32 and 64 I think |
| 20:25.12 | zaurus_lover | what does the System Info on the C700 show ? |
| 20:25.29 | masticator | or 48 and 64, I forgot |
| 20:25.40 | masticator | but a lot of that flash is taken up by the system image |
| 20:25.59 | masticator | the actual usable amount for end user storage is considerably less than you think it is |
| 20:26.07 | zaurus_lover | Sharp's specs were C700 : 32/32 C750 : 64/64 C760 : 128/64 (Flash/DRAM) |
| 20:26.10 | masticator | because no RAM is used for storage |
| 20:26.35 | masticator | ok right. |
| 20:26.37 | zaurus_lover | I understand that but shouldn't the total show up as 64 (Flash) and then whats available as available ? |
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| 20:26.42 | masticator | nope |
| 20:26.46 | zaurus_lover | ok |
| 20:26.47 | masticator | only openzaurus does that |
| 20:26.52 | zaurus_lover | aah I see |
| 20:26.57 | masticator | it shows the jffs2 contents and the cramfs contents |
| 20:27.01 | zaurus_lover | hmmmm |
| 20:27.08 | zaurus_lover | gotcha |
| 20:27.21 | masticator | sharp did it for dumbasses |
| 20:27.24 | zaurus_lover | dont want to try OZ on the C750 ! :) |
| 20:27.25 | masticator | its not intuitive |
| 20:27.29 | hobbs | it would require _math_ to do that, and sharp isn't into math. :) |
| 20:27.33 | zaurus_lover | just got it yesterday |
| 20:27.34 | zaurus_lover | hahahah |
| 20:27.36 | masticator | I dont think kergoth has a build yet |
| 20:27.46 | zaurus_lover | the 700 won't work on it right ? |
| 20:27.53 | zaurus_lover | I mean 700 build |
| 20:27.53 | masticator | with modifications it will. |
| 20:27.56 | masticator | not as it is |
| 20:27.56 | zaurus_lover | ok |
| 20:28.02 | zaurus_lover | Hmmm I should wait |
| 20:28.02 | masticator | give us a few weeks |
| 20:28.06 | zaurus_lover | sure ! |
| 20:28.39 | zaurus_lover | will be buying a few accessories this afternoon then, I'll post my feedback on externe.net |
| 20:29.17 | zaurus_lover | not able to get the Z to show up as a removable drive yet ... on XP ... what could I be doing wrong ? I installed all the WDM/NDIS 5 drivers |
| 20:30.42 | hobbs | I didn't think it did that |
| 20:31.03 | zaurus_lover | not even able to get Intellisync (version for the SL-5500) working ... |
| 20:31.12 | zaurus_lover | is there a FAQ somewhere ? |
| 20:31.35 | masticator | you should be using the software that came with the unit |
| 20:31.39 | masticator | it cant use the 5500 software |
| 20:31.45 | masticator | totally different driver stack |
| 20:31.49 | masticator | totally different sync protocol |
| 20:32.05 | masticator | you might try the stuff for the 5600 |
| 20:32.13 | zaurus_lover | oh ok ! someone on externe.net told me the one for the 5500 works ... |
| 20:32.21 | masticator | thats more like what thje c700 uses |
| 20:32.24 | masticator | no freakin way. |
| 20:32.31 | masticator | oh |
| 20:32.34 | masticator | maybe the NEW one. |
| 20:32.38 | masticator | the one for the 3.10 rom. |
| 20:32.40 | masticator | thats possible. |
| 20:32.50 | zaurus_lover | the problem is that the CD is all in Japanese ... so can't make much sense ... though I have installed all the software too :) |
| 20:33.08 | masticator | I dunno, I never sync my zaurus. |
| 20:33.13 | masticator | all that shit is broken anyway. |
| 20:33.16 | masticator | they never got it right. |
| 20:33.32 | zaurus_lover | How can I convert that to English ? I heard that you could tweak a few dlls and get it to work ... |
| 20:33.48 | zaurus_lover | anyways, how does one make the Z appear as a Drive on XP ? |
| 20:33.49 | masticator | well thre are some config files you can edit |
| 20:33.52 | zaurus_lover | ok |
| 20:33.58 | masticator | thats documented for the C700 |
| 20:34.07 | masticator | presumably they exist on the 750 |
| 20:34.10 | hobbs | huh, there's a 3-series sharp rom now? did they do anything cool? |
| 20:34.20 | masticator | yeah its the 5600 rom for the 5500 |
| 20:34.58 | hobbs | oh I see. and one of the features is supposed to be some nifty updates to the way it talks to windows. Interesting. |
| 20:35.40 | zaurus_lover | masticator ... can you point me to some docs that show how to get the Z show up as a removable drive on XP ? |
| 20:35.47 | hobbs | not that I'd go back to Sharp. :) |
| 20:35.59 | masticator | zaurus: I've never tried it personally. |
| 20:36.13 | masticator | but there are two different types of ways the zaurus can talk to windows |
| 20:36.21 | masticator | 1) via serial I/O |
| 20:36.24 | masticator | 2) via tcpip |
| 20:36.30 | zaurus_lover | yup |
| 20:36.31 | masticator | the traditional method is 2 |
| 20:36.39 | zaurus_lover | mmm hmmm |
| 20:36.40 | masticator | the new way of doing it is 1 |
| 20:37.03 | chouimat | masticator: ? |
| 20:37.06 | masticator | now, you have installed the drivers that came with the unit right |
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| 20:37.41 | masticator | because, its entirely possible the 750 uses newer drivers than what the 5600 or 5500 has |
| 20:37.59 | masticator | and knowing the way the nara factory in japan works, I would guarantee something is different |
| 20:38.24 | chouimat | yay!!! after 4 days of debugging that fucking tunnel works |
| 20:39.44 | zaurus_lover | ok trying the 5600 stuff now |
| 20:39.46 | zaurus_lover | more later |
| 20:39.49 | zaurus_lover | bye for now |
| 20:40.02 | chouimat | masticator: wassup? |
| 20:40.08 | masticator | not much, chillin out. |
| 20:40.31 | chouimat | masticator: finaly fix a weird vpn related problem |
| 20:40.45 | masticator | vpns can be a bitch |
| 20:41.33 | chouimat | masticator: yup ... and worse when the client ask you to had subnets to a road warrior config and the road warrior stop working :( |
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| 20:56.23 | mark | chouimat: its boring without a George to annoy |
| 20:56.44 | chouimat | mark: hehe |
| 20:56.52 | hobbs | ljp_laptop: won't valgrind get dizzy? |
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| 20:59.29 | ljp_laptop | maybe |
| 21:00.34 | ljp_laptop | heh. ya its making _me_ puke, for sure |
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| 21:23.41 | rbryan | Dear God, I may go postal. |
| 21:24.38 | dougheckaa | ~go postal |
| 21:24.38 | | ACTION rampages, killing everyone in sight! |
| 21:24.55 | rbryan | I'm having this prob with aqpkg not being able to rename /tmp/ipkg-*/Packages to /tmp/ipkg/lists/* |
| 21:25.21 | rbryan | Thanks, D. I feel better. |
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| 21:25.53 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 21:26.03 | rbryan | I've even re-flashed the OZ rom, and nothing seems to help. |
| 21:26.09 | dougheckaa | dunno |
| 21:26.12 | dougheckaa | I dont do that stuff |
| 21:26.22 | rbryan | How do you do it? |
| 21:26.42 | subdue | maybe your login doesnt have enough permissions |
| 21:26.53 | subdue | if this is from the prompt, type id |
| 21:27.13 | rbryan | root? Not enough permissions? |
| 21:27.32 | rbryan | no, actually aqpkg is the gui one. |
| 21:28.08 | subdue | of course, if you're using 3.1 rom, it may be a bug in insufficient perms |
| 21:28.37 | rbryan | I don't remember which version I DL'd. (I'm running oz, btw) |
| 21:30.50 | rbryan | OZ 3.2 is my OS version. |
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| 21:47.23 | omoore | anyone here doing development using java on the Zaurus? |
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| 21:47.38 | omoore | wondering if java sound's abilities to record can be used.. |
| 21:47.51 | omoore | i've seen a faq on palying audio files via java... |
| 21:48.00 | omoore | but want to know if recording is possible too using java |
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| 21:59.52 | lnxxS | can you give me spencer huang's email? |
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| 22:06.53 | rbryan | Anyone alive in here that can help me out with aqpkg barfing while trying to update the list of packages? |
| 22:08.00 | masticator | lnxx: huangs@sharpsec.com |
| 22:10.10 | rbryan | I absolutely cannot get the list of packages from the "stable" server to update. aqpkg keeps telling me that it couldn't clean out the tmp/ipkg-* directory. Any idea what's wrong here? |
| 22:10.33 | masticator | hahahah nigerian email confernce |
| 22:10.38 | masticator | http://j-walk.com/blog/docs/conference.htm |
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| 22:13.35 | chouimat | This conference is an investment in your future. Learn to take advantage of modern technology, and make a great deal of money with very little effort. |
| 22:14.44 | chouimat | masticator: will you go to that conference?/ |
| 22:18.33 | rbryan | This is the message I get when I fo "ipdate lists"- WARNING: Temporary directory /tmp/ipkg-q3YPCb was not cleaned up properly. Kindly complain to the maintainer of ipkg. (When this is finished, the list still contains no new data. There is an apparently full Packages list in the directory.) |
| 22:21.07 | rbryan | Oh, please. I just want my Z to work. |
| 22:24.00 | masticator | chou: if I can spare time after the Penis Enlargement Email conference, sure |
| 22:24.11 | rbryan | Am I the only person who's ever had this problem? |
| 22:25.29 | masticator | wait, you want your Zaurus to work properly? |
| 22:25.29 | rbryan | Are there other Z IRC channels? |
| 22:25.36 | masticator | #openembedded |
| 22:26.36 | rbryan | Yes- it would be helpful for it to work. I could've drunk $200 worth of booze and the headache'd be gone sooner. |
| 22:27.02 | masticator | whats not working? |
| 22:27.20 | masticator | ipkg? |
| 22:27.30 | rbryan | aqpkg keeps barfing. |
| 22:27.43 | masticator | on the sharp rom or on openzaurus? |
| 22:27.47 | rbryan | oz. |
| 22:28.08 | masticator | ask kergoth and the dude who wrote aq |
| 22:28.29 | masticator | they had some problems in the last few weeks with the latest ipkg build |
| 22:28.31 | masticator | it was fucked up |
| 22:28.50 | rbryan | Oh. Goody. Weird thing was it worked this morning and suddenly stopped. |
| 22:29.04 | masticator | have you tried resetting the unit |
| 22:29.16 | masticator | like re-romming it and wiping it clean |
| 22:29.20 | masticator | perhaps the db is corrupted |
| 22:29.46 | rbryan | I started there, but eventually progressed to re-romming (the c-d-reset thing with the cf in place). Still chokes. |
| 22:30.25 | masticator | hmm |
| 22:30.33 | rbryan | Lemme describe this to you... |
| 22:30.37 | masticator | this is the same version of the rom image you had in it before? |
| 22:30.44 | rbryan | Yep. |
| 22:30.52 | masticator | fascinating. |
| 22:32.39 | rbryan | I put the cf in (successfully used it before to flash), open the battery cover. Hold the c and f keys, then press the reset. Hold c-f while waiting for the mail/batt lights to come on... |
| 22:33.13 | rbryan | let the c-f go when the lights come on. Wait about 4 mins for them to go out. press the reset again, power on. |
| 22:33.42 | rbryan | Right? |
| 22:33.45 | masticator | yeah, that should clear it. |
| 22:34.41 | rbryan | This last time I did it, it didn't re-set-up the apps. |
| 22:35.09 | masticator | did you try doing a full reset again |
| 22:35.17 | rbryan | Full reset? |
| 22:35.22 | rbryan | The reset button? |
| 22:35.22 | masticator | holding down that reset for like 10 seconds |
| 22:35.25 | masticator | yeah |
| 22:35.28 | rbryan | Ah. No. |
| 22:35.34 | rbryan | Doing that now... |
| 22:35.35 | masticator | that should totally clear it. |
| 22:36.07 | masticator | if not, sharp freakin changed something with the way the new rom works. |
| 22:36.18 | masticator | or is this OZ? |
| 22:36.23 | rbryan | OZ. |
| 22:36.35 | masticator | yeah hold down the reset for about 10 secs. |
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| 22:37.39 | rbryan | Still not doing the setting up apps thing. |
| 22:41.15 | rbryan | masticator- hold for 10 secs while doing the CD thing? |
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| 22:55.14 | rbryan | I am so lost here. |
| 22:56.03 | chouimat | ibott map |
| 22:56.07 | chouimat | ibot map |
| 22:56.07 | | extra, extra, read all about it, map is You're here ---------------------------> X |
| 22:56.42 | rbryan | I'd be better off if I could find out how to fix my aqpkg. |
| 22:57.04 | rbryan | This is the message I get when I fo "ipdate lists"- WARNING: Temporary directory /tmp/ipkg-q3YPCb was not cleaned up properly. Kindly complain to the maintainer of ipkg. (When this is finished, the list still contains no new data. There is an apparently full Packages list in the directory.) |
| 23:02.00 | rbryan | What versions of oz do you use? |
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| 23:14.36 | rbryan | What versions of oz do you use? |
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| 23:19.44 | rbryan | Criminy! I've even changed the ROM version to use a different memory config and the package list update still fails. |
| 23:20.27 | rbryan | I'm stumped here, and my Z is bloody useless now. |
| 23:21.41 | rbryan | Is there maybe another source where I can go to get some help? |
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| 23:29.16 | rbryan | Anyone know how to get the sharp rom back on? |
| 23:29.44 | chouimat|angry | rbryan: just flash it back |
| 23:30.00 | rbryan | Duh. Where do I get the images from? |
| 23:30.12 | chouimat|angry | www.zaurus.com |
| 23:30.27 | rbryan | Any suggestions on how to do it from linux? |
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| 23:41.15 | kendrick | anyone care to help? :) |
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| 23:42.07 | redtoade | if I don't have a CF card... is there a procedure to do it with SD (URL plz)? |
| 23:42.23 | redtoade | [flashing rom image that is] |
| 23:43.04 | chouimat|angry | kendrick: why you are asking that now |
| 23:43.29 | kendrick | hrm? |
| 23:43.39 | kendrick | because i'm working on it now...? :) |
| 23:44.32 | chouimat|angry | kendrick: sorry too busy this week |
| 23:44.52 | fishy | redtoade: its only possible on c700/750/760 |
| 23:44.59 | kendrick | well, i just wanted to describe what i've done, and see if anyone has other suggestions of what to add |
| 23:45.08 | kendrick | i dont want the slides to be TOO long, since i want to do a realtime demo using VNC :) |
| 23:45.25 | chouimat|angry | kendrick: ok |
| 23:46.07 | kendrick | page 1: hardware. just some specs (CPU, RAM, screen, etc.) |
| 23:46.30 | kendrick | page 2: built-in software. overview: lineo embeddix, trolltech qtopia, some of the builtin apps (PIM, MP3, etc.) |
| 23:46.38 | kendrick | page 3: close-up of the keyboard, with some specs |
| 23:46.47 | kendrick | page 4: handwriting & other input, with screenshot of trainer |
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| 23:47.00 | kendrick | page 5: external keyboards; large photos of pockettop & man-n-machine |
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| 23:47.15 | kendrick | page 6: other peripherals: photos of digital cam, network cards, barcode scanner, etc. |
| 23:47.44 | kendrick | page 7: 3rd party software: "nearly 900 listed at ZSI, over 500 OpenSource", with some examples. also list some vendors (tkc, EonGames, etc.) |
| 23:48.39 | kendrick | page 8: linux geek software: console tools (awk, gpg, etc.), dev tools (perl, python, mysql), network tools (freeswan, links, ssh), network servers (apache, zope, samba, vnc) |
| 23:48.51 | chouimat|angry | kendrick: do you speak of openzaurus? |
| 23:49.10 | kendrick | page 9: more software: games (categories), 'daily life utils' (unit convertor, star chart, scuba diving, etc.), audio apps (speech synth, mplayer, xmms) |
| 23:49.29 | kendrick | chou - no, that's what i need to do next, i think. talk about OZ, talk about the SL-C7xx models, and talk briefly about developing for Qtopia |
| 23:49.59 | chouimat|angry | kendrick: ok if you talk of OZ talk also of OE :) |
| 23:50.32 | kendrick | can you give me a place to get a brief blurb? :) :) |
| 23:57.15 | kendrick | crap.. what other commercial software vendors are there!? :^) |