| 00:00.28 | mewyn` | only with opie |
| 00:00.43 | kergoth | we need to clean up opie-tinykate |
| 00:01.48 | cor | kate *drool* |
| 00:01.59 | kergoth | tinykate rocks, but needs some tweaks |
| 00:02.01 | cor | gawd oz apps make me jealous |
| 00:02.19 | kergoth | it still uses the microkde lib, and its dialogs arent properly sized |
| 00:02.24 | kergoth | syntax highlighting works and all though |
| 00:02.26 | kergoth | its usable |
| 00:03.57 | chouimat | kergoth: b;ah |
| 00:04.07 | kergoth | b;ah? |
| 00:05.11 | rev|lib | b;ah! |
| 00:05.20 | NetAmp | h:ah! |
| 00:05.34 | rev|lib | h:ah b;ah!!!1 |
| 00:05.34 | kergoth | b;lah |
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| 00:06.07 | NetAmp | ^[b|h](ah)\!?$ |
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| 00:06.17 | andrew__ | Hello everyone. |
| 00:06.23 | NetAmp | 'lo |
| 00:06.43 | kergoth | any volunteers to test what will become the next OZ release? |
| 00:06.56 | NetAmp | err... |
| 00:06.59 | kergoth | the shutdown/reboot, wifi eject hang, and irda enable bugs are fixed, among other things |
| 00:07.01 | NetAmp | is it hazardous? |
| 00:07.12 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 00:07.36 | kergoth | http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/collie/ |
| 00:07.45 | kergoth | rename the latest to initrd.bin, flash with the zImage from rc3.1 |
| 00:07.53 | NetAmp | sweet |
| 00:07.54 | kergoth | its spiffy, take my word for it |
| 00:07.58 | NetAmp | :D |
| 00:07.59 | kergoth | theres only one bug holding up the release. |
| 00:08.04 | NetAmp | :S |
| 00:08.05 | kergoth | barrign new bugs, its ready to roll |
| 00:08.39 | kergoth | come on people, bug hunt! |
| 00:08.41 | kergoth | ;) |
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| 00:11.04 | NetAmp | << nap time |
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| 00:11.59 | mutexer | Opie looks cool...IM gonna have to check it out one of these days |
| 00:12.12 | mutexer | is Opie the default environment for OZ? |
| 00:12.14 | kergoth | yes |
| 00:12.26 | mutexer | cool |
| 00:12.45 | andrew_ | Hey guys, I'm looking to get memory expansion for my Zaurus, and was wondering if this'd be good? http://www.googlegear.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=82240 |
| 00:13.00 | mutexer | ibot: ZSI |
| 00:14.12 | Neo|Work | ibot zfi |
| 00:14.42 | Neo|Work | zfi is still broken (not being updated)... |
| 00:15.31 | mutexer | whats ZFI? |
| 00:16.37 | kergoth | zaurus feed index |
| 00:16.52 | Neo|Work | like zsi but the entries are loaded from feeds rather than manually entered |
| 00:17.07 | mutexer | ahh |
| 00:17.08 | mutexer | cool |
| 00:17.22 | Neo|Work | except that it hasn't been updated since january |
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| 00:24.16 | mutexer | will some opie packages not work on the sharp rom? |
| 00:24.25 | kergoth | the base packages wont |
| 00:24.29 | kergoth | like opie's launcher and stuff |
| 00:24.30 | mutexer | crap |
| 00:24.33 | kergoth | the apps should work |
| 00:24.40 | mutexer | tetrix wont work |
| 00:24.43 | kergoth | just flash OZ, you know you want to |
| 00:24.44 | kergoth | :D |
| 00:24.48 | kergoth | </shameless plug> |
| 00:24.49 | rev|lib | what input method do you guys usually use, and what kind of WPM do you usually get using this preferred input method? |
| 00:24.56 | mutexer | actually the installer wont show it |
| 00:24.56 | kergoth | I use the keyboar |
| 00:24.57 | kergoth | dd |
| 00:25.06 | darkenigma | yeah..... you should flash OZ |
| 00:25.08 | kergoth | the hardware keyboard is faster than any on screen inputmethod |
| 00:25.10 | chouimat | kergoth: fix the trolls problem on /. and it's ok :) |
| 00:25.17 | darkenigma | the only REAL annoyance i find is the whole CF delay thing |
| 00:25.21 | kergoth | but for inputmethods, jumpx/multikey works great |
| 00:25.30 | kergoth | darkenigma: the eject/reinsert on resume bug? |
| 00:25.46 | mutexer | I hate how the Qtopia loads every fricken file on the CF in the docs tab... does opie do that? |
| 00:26.17 | kergoth | opie does by default. you can disable media scanning globally or per media though |
| 00:26.24 | mutexer | cool |
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| 00:27.44 | darkenigma | that bug KILLS me |
| 00:28.11 | darkenigma | it has to be the ONE thing about OZ that i can't stand |
| 00:28.44 | darkenigma | that and the fact that i don't know how to get X running on it :-D |
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| 00:43.33 | nerdboy | chouimat|bored: need another hobby? |
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| 00:44.55 | darkenigma | actually! i lied. my other irritation is the fact that there is no applet for dial up modems |
| 00:45.00 | darkenigma | that kinda sucks. |
| 00:45.05 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:45.09 | kergoth | networksettings needs a ppp module |
| 00:45.45 | darkenigma | do i need to know anything in particular to be able to write one? |
| 00:47.14 | kergoth | not really, grab the networksettings sources and have at it :) |
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| 00:48.40 | darkenigma | okey dokey |
| 00:48.50 | darkenigma | cause i'm geting a little tired waiting around :-D |
| 00:49.13 | kergoth | feel free, thats how a lot of stuff gets done |
| 00:49.20 | kergoth | its broke, you get tired of wiating, so ya fix it |
| 00:49.50 | _Psycho | the trick is to harass kergoth a bit more |
| 00:49.58 | _Psycho | thats always work ! :) |
| 00:51.51 | darkenigma | heh |
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| 01:05.37 | mewyn` | kergoth: ping |
| 01:07.55 | kergoth | mewyn`: pong |
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| 02:12.17 | gabe | word |
| 02:23.29 | zoid | how can i tell what fs my CF card is? |
| 02:24.22 | oGMo | type mount |
| 02:24.27 | oGMo | and see what it says |
| 02:25.44 | zoid | it's msdos, how can i format it fat16? |
| 02:32.08 | djr | ok, i just bought that ambicom card :D |
| 02:34.43 | zoid | CF cards need to be of file system type vfat to flash, right? |
| 02:35.19 | gabe | djr: i got mine earlier today |
| 02:35.28 | gabe | hehe |
| 02:35.54 | Bala | zoid. it needs to be fat16... msdos=fat16 i believe.. |
| 02:36.03 | gabe | my local best buy had them in stock after all |
| 02:36.12 | zoid | Bala: well what's vfat? |
| 02:36.15 | zoid | is that fat16? |
| 02:36.21 | zoid | if not, how can i make it fat16? |
| 02:37.17 | gabe | a tad finicky, but i am ssh'ing wirelessly through my powerbook, so it works at least :) |
| 02:37.42 | gabe | rotation rocks |
| 02:37.59 | djr | gabe: how do you get it set up? |
| 02:38.18 | gabe | in OZ or sharp? |
| 02:38.21 | djr | oz |
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| 02:39.32 | Bala | fat16 is msdos.. vfat is for fat32. i think. |
| 02:40.07 | gabe | i have my pb setup in infrastructure mode without wep on channel 11, with a ssid of test |
| 02:40.24 | djr | well i know that much |
| 02:40.30 | djr | but i meant how do i actually get the card to work? |
| 02:40.34 | gabe | oh |
| 02:40.37 | djr | all the light does is blink nonstop once i put it in |
| 02:40.48 | zoid | Bala: well i just took the command from openzaurus.org (mkfs.vfat -F 16 <device>) and did it, and it's still coming back vfat |
| 02:40.56 | zoid | so hopefully this will work |
| 02:40.59 | gabe | i had to specify the ssid and not use wep |
| 02:41.31 | gabe | and do manual ip assignment |
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| 02:42.15 | djr | hmm, i set dhcp, ill try manual... |
| 02:42.27 | gabe | and then do 'ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0' and pop the card in and out a few times |
| 02:42.28 | WoodsDog | I am going to install open zaurus. What do I need to do to backup my original image? |
| 02:42.56 | gabe | rebooting could help too |
| 02:43.10 | gabe | as i said, it's finnicky |
| 02:43.52 | gabe | i love having an accurate battery monitor |
| 02:46.06 | djr | hehe |
| 02:46.10 | djr | yeah, the battery monitor is nice |
| 02:47.00 | gabe | hmm i dunno if i like the pickboard |
| 02:47.28 | gabe | it took way too longto write that sentence |
| 02:47.37 | djr | youre on irc with your zaurus now? |
| 02:47.49 | gabe | yeah :) |
| 02:47.56 | gabe | (ssh) |
| 02:48.04 | djr | ah |
| 02:48.44 | gabe | i need a SD card for data and app storage |
| 02:49.17 | djr | yeah, i realized that i cant use my cf memory card with the wireless card =/ |
| 02:49.25 | djr | i just figure ill swap them when i need to copy things bwn them |
| 02:49.30 | gabe | or perhaps i may switch to a kernel with more ram storage for apps |
| 02:49.55 | djr | which one are you using? |
| 02:49.56 | djr | i chose 32/32 |
| 02:49.58 | djr | i think that was a mistake |
| 02:50.22 | gabe | i installed konqueror on my cf card and cant use it since imusing wifi, heh |
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| 02:50.30 | djr | hehe |
| 02:50.49 | djr | i want to just have no /mnt/ram... where all 64mb is / |
| 02:50.54 | gabe | which cf card? |
| 02:51.35 | djr | i have two |
| 02:51.38 | djr | let me see |
| 02:51.56 | djr | 48mb = lexar |
| 02:52.01 | djr | 128mb = sandisk |
| 02:52.27 | gabe | oh, i got a 128mb apacer cf card for $35 |
| 02:52.28 | djr | when i stick in the card it says its a zcom? |
| 02:52.30 | djr | does yours do that? |
| 02:52.36 | gabe | yeah |
| 02:52.52 | djr | when i go to network and click on information |
| 02:52.53 | djr | it says |
| 02:52.59 | djr | "No information about a disconnected interface." |
| 02:53.20 | gabe | edit it in /etc/pcmcia/hostap_cs.conf |
| 02:53.42 | gabe | yeah, do the ifup/ifdown thing |
| 02:54.04 | gabe | in the konsole |
| 02:54.23 | djr | oh |
| 02:54.23 | djr | cool |
| 02:54.26 | djr | its working now i think |
| 02:54.38 | djr | but it says im in 2mb/s mode? |
| 02:54.52 | djr | signal 73% and noise 64% and quality 0% |
| 02:54.54 | djr | that cant be right |
| 02:54.57 | djr | im <2 feet from the AP |
| 02:54.58 | djr | ehehe |
| 02:55.42 | gabe | heh |
| 02:56.02 | djr | err, still doesnt seem to work i think |
| 02:56.26 | gabe | is it in infrastructure mode with the right channel? |
| 02:56.57 | gabe | heh, the thumb board has no question mark |
| 02:57.17 | djr | yeah it does |
| 02:57.22 | djr | its by the / |
| 02:57.24 | djr | shift / |
| 02:57.48 | gabe | good god i must be blind |
| 02:57.51 | gabe | hah |
| 02:58.19 | gabe | i guess it doesnt help that its on the wrong side |
| 03:00.17 | djr | hehe |
| 03:02.50 | gabe | i ought to try setting up wifi w/ my linksys ap |
| 03:03.24 | gabe | i xouldnt get it to work with airport aps in the office ealier |
| 03:05.15 | djr | my ap is linksys |
| 03:05.52 | gabe | 802.11b w/ 4 port switch? |
| 03:06.55 | gabe | dammit |
| 03:07.14 | djr | gabe: i dunno which it is, my lights off |
| 03:07.14 | djr | ehehe |
| 03:07.47 | gabe | every time i try to setcustom colors for konsole the color palette disappears |
| 03:08.52 | gabe | do you notice any odd scrolling vertical lines on your lcd? |
| 03:09.17 | gabe | kinda like a low-freuency monitor? |
| 03:10.58 | gabe | hrmph |
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| 03:21.16 | gabe | hm |
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| 03:22.30 | gabe | so if you hold down on custom in konsoles color menu then you can choose the fg and bg colors |
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| 03:23.50 | mutexer | NeoTron: are you here? |
| 03:23.59 | kergoth | 8/win 15 |
| 03:24.01 | kergoth | damn 8 |
| 03:24.38 | mutexer | kergoth: do you know anything about fullscreen apps |
| 03:25.42 | kergoth | fraid not |
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| 03:37.52 | destr0 | anyone here have any of the kompany's progs?, just curious to see what an owner thought of them. like kapital or rekall |
| 03:39.43 | mutexer | hrmm.. aparantly setActiveWindow does not work |
| 03:40.54 | Bala | mutexer: what about fullscreen apps? |
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| 03:49.11 | NeoTron | mutexer: hmm? |
| 03:52.45 | mutexer | NeoTron: Im trying to detect when a "out of battery" popup happens and ignore it... right now it locks out my game so the keyboard doesnt work...Im having no luck.. can you offer some insight? |
| 03:53.01 | mutexer | Ive managed to detect a out of battery popup I believe |
| 03:53.16 | mutexer | but making my app keep going instead of dying.. no hope so far |
| 03:53.44 | NeoTron | No idea. |
| 03:53.53 | NeoTron | now I don't know why it'd die either - never had a problem with that |
| 03:54.00 | NeoTron | but that popup is messy in general. |
| 03:54.16 | NeoTron | I assume you correctly handle being put in the background |
| 03:54.37 | mutexer | no I dont handle being put in the backgorund |
| 03:55.15 | mutexer | basically the popup is stealing the focus and I cant get it back... the app contiinues to run.. but the stealing of the focus locks me out of the PDA>. I have to flip the switch on the back to reboot |
| 03:55.25 | NeoTron | then do |
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| 03:56.08 | NeoTron | when you lose focus, stop updating the screen and go into a mostly-idle loop |
| 03:56.57 | mutexer | ok...then what? |
| 03:57.12 | NeoTron | then nothing |
| 03:57.34 | mutexer | so how does that help anything? |
| 03:57.35 | NeoTron | I don't understand your 'locked up" |
| 03:57.46 | NeoTron | you now have a correctly behaving program that's why |
| 03:57.47 | mutexer | Im losing all controls |
| 03:57.51 | NeoTron | hardly. :P |
| 03:58.17 | NeoTron | once you are in the foreground again it's all ok... |
| 03:58.18 | mutexer | the enemies etc will continue moving onscreen.. but pressing buttons or clicking have no effect |
| 03:58.31 | NeoTron | again, handle being put in the background |
| 03:58.42 | NeoTron | I have never had a problem with losig input afaik |
| 04:01.01 | NeoTron | what it sounds like is that you get put in the background but keep drawing and thus have no input (since you're not the active window) |
| 04:02.42 | mutexer | yeah I think thats whats wrong |
| 04:03.31 | NeoTron | so - handle being put in the background and it should be fixed. |
| 04:03.59 | mutexer | k trying it now |
| 04:04.02 | kergoth | hey neo |
| 04:04.14 | mutexer | this is tough to test for cause the only popup that I know happens is the out of power one |
| 04:18.26 | mutexer | it still locked up |
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| 04:31.06 | {aaron} | i have what may be a silly question: i just got my zaurus and the quickstart says to charge for 24 hours...but it is already charged and the battery icon is green...do I still have to wait? |
| 04:32.11 | Bala | you'd probably want to.. until you do you wont be fully charging the battery |
| 04:32.37 | mutexer | I dont understand why my app is locking up.. this sucks |
| 04:33.48 | {aaron} | Bala: even though the icon is green and the charge light is not on? |
| 04:34.02 | Bala | aaron.. i dunno. :) |
| 04:34.34 | Bala | mutexer.. does it only do it with the low power dialog? or with any modal dialog? |
| 04:34.41 | {aaron} | Bala: heh, well i was too eager to use it...it will go to sleep for the rest of the night :) also windows just complained when i turned it off |
| 04:34.47 | mutexer | I dont know how to trigger any other dialogs |
| 04:34.54 | mutexer | Ive only been able to test with power |
| 04:35.15 | Bala | well you can always pop on up from your program.. |
| 04:35.30 | mutexer | as soon as that popup happens my app locks |
| 04:35.37 | mutexer | I cant get it to do anything |
| 04:36.04 | mutexer | I may have to reboot in a few seconds.. youll know I crashed if I drop |
| 04:36.34 | mutexer | ahh.. good it didnt crash |
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| 04:46.28 | mutexer | NeoTron: if I dont do setFocusPolicy(QWidget::StrongFocus); and setFocus(); the popup does not lock me up and i can close it and go back tro the game. But with that Im not in fullscreen and the OK button doesnt work |
| 04:48.39 | NeoTron | uh |
| 04:48.47 | NeoTron | QPEApplication::grabKeyboard()? |
| 04:48.55 | mutexer | IM doing grabKeybaord |
| 04:48.57 | kergoth | NeoTron: having fun yet? |
| 04:49.02 | mutexer | all the buttons work except the OK |
| 04:49.46 | mutexer | the game works great with SetFocusPolicy and SetFocus... but the popup screws things |
| 04:50.02 | NeoTron | there is nothing special with the ok button |
| 04:50.23 | NeoTron | as a matter of fact you don't even have o grab the keyboard to get it |
| 04:52.29 | mutexer | i know |
| 04:52.36 | mutexer | yet it doesnt work |
| 04:54.24 | mutexer | whats really wierd is with the setfocus stuff cancel doesnt work |
| 04:54.28 | NeoTron | there, now I can load grayscale images too.. |
| 04:54.32 | mutexer | but without it cancel works but OK doesnt |
| 04:54.48 | NeoTron | I never use setFocusPolicy/setfocus |
| 04:55.00 | NeoTron | well, Eligo uses setFocus I think but other than that |
| 04:55.04 | mutexer | ow do you get rid of the bar on the bottom? |
| 04:55.06 | NeoTron | you are using qt widgets and such then? |
| 04:55.13 | NeoTron | uh. I use fullscreen mode |
| 04:55.26 | mutexer | I followed your tutorial from way back |
| 04:55.39 | mutexer | it doesnt seem to go fullscreen without setFocusPolicy |
| 04:55.48 | NeoTron | it certainly does for me |
| 04:56.12 | mutexer | your using the sharp rom? |
| 04:58.09 | NeoTron | yes and OZ as well |
| 05:02.22 | mutexer | Im using the code after "30 Minutes later.." http://docs.zaurus.com/fullscreen_howtos.shtml |
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| 05:09.43 | chouimat|Zzzzz | nigth |
| 05:13.12 | mutexer | I think my problem lies in how I have things setup |
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| 05:13.57 | mutexer | my main function creates a widget which is my menu... when they start a game it hides this widget and creates a new widget that is the game... fullscreen code works on the menu but not in the game |
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| 05:33.02 | djr | are sd cards mroe expensive than sf? for memory? and hows the speed compared? |
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| 06:07.20 | NeoTron | mutexer: make the main game widget be the top level widget |
| 06:07.29 | NeoTron | then add the one of the menu into that, hiding it as needed |
| 06:07.47 | NeoTron | granted, that will only work if the "game widget' don't actually include any widgets of its own |
| 06:07.53 | NeoTron | I assume it's mainly for event handling? |
| 06:09.45 | mutexer | Ive restructured it |
| 06:10.05 | mutexer | its working now... although it wont run on the Zaurus even though it runs fine in qvfb ... got to track this down now /me sighs |
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| 06:57.44 | wirelessboy_Z | hello |
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| 06:58.58 | wirelessboy_Z | has anyone here come up with a way to print from the Z via IR |
| 06:59.16 | wirelessboy_Z | I'm trying to print to a Citizen PN60i |
| 07:00.16 | mutexer | NeoTron: those changes fixed everything.. it works fine now with popups |
| 07:00.26 | mutexer | thanks for the help |
| 07:02.55 | wirelessboy_Z | is anyone out there working with IR on the Z |
| 07:03.29 | NeoTron | mutexer: sure |
| 07:12.09 | wirelessboy_Z | NeoTron have you heard of a way to print from the Z via IR |
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| 07:36.42 | *** topic/#zaurus is Sharp PDA Discussion - http://developer.sharpsec.com/ || http://MyZaurus.com/ || http://openzaurus.org/ || OpenZaurus 3.1-rc3 released! || HSN deal will be back on April 5th, sorry! (The original date for its apeareance) || Check out docs.zaurus.com for docs! |
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| 07:56.18 | titeuf | 'lut |
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| 08:01.24 | flipLR | anyone else having a problem getting konqueror to install under openzaurus? |
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| 08:03.05 | flipLR | i keep getting /tmp/ipkg-K4eLlX/...and.so.on/preinst: Permission denied |
| 08:11.32 | djr | hmmmmmm |
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| 08:13.56 | djr | unstable is newer than testing is newer than stable |
| 08:13.56 | djr | right? |
| 08:14.57 | yeiazel | yes |
| 08:15.05 | yeiazel | more or less |
| 08:15.15 | djr | k |
| 08:15.35 | djr | is there tcsh for the zaurus? |
| 08:15.36 | djr | :) |
| 08:15.52 | flipLR | man, can't get konqueror to install |
| 08:16.04 | flipLR | djr: i'm sure you could compile it |
| 08:16.05 | yeiazel | flipLR: read the fucking mailing list |
| 08:16.48 | flipLR | yeiazel: i'm sorry, i didn't know there was one |
| 08:17.08 | flipLR | i've found it now |
| 08:18.01 | yeiazel | :) |
| 08:18.14 | yeiazel | in short : remove ",user" from the /Var line in fstab |
| 08:18.22 | yeiazel | s/Var/var/ |
| 08:20.29 | flipLR | thanks :-) |
| 08:45.55 | djr | is smbfs pkg used to mount samba shares on the pda? |
| 08:46.01 | djr | or is there another pkg for htat? |
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| 09:06.49 | titeuf | hop, au taf |
| 09:20.33 | djr | are the pretec 128mb sd cards any good? |
| 09:20.38 | djr | im thinknig of ordering the 128mb one |
| 09:20.51 | djr | so i can have 128mb of memory and use my wireless cf card at the same time |
| 09:20.54 | djr | its $76 |
| 09:25.12 | Davv | djr: Can you find a better price than $76 for a 128mb SD card?? $76 seems a bit high for mail order bargain. |
| 09:25.48 | yeiazel | I have bought a 256MB at 257 EUR... |
| 09:27.04 | Davv | Example only: Lexar 256MB SD for about $80. ( http://www.techdepot.com/product.asp?productid=1276950&iid=939 ) |
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| 09:38.38 | djr | Davv: thats why im asking ;) |
| 09:39.32 | djr | sandisk 256mb for $70 |
| 09:39.38 | djr | http://www.techdepot.com/product.asp?ProductID=1169554&CatID=195&IID=859 |
| 09:39.38 | djr | hehe |
| 09:41.47 | Davv | Yeah, the smaller sandisks were problematic.. but the larger ones (256MB) work fine in the Z as stated by others. |
| 09:42.04 | Davv | Maybe that was Compact Flash.. I forget. |
| 09:42.50 | djr | i use a sandisk 128mb cf card with no problems |
| 09:43.21 | djr | i just cant use both the memory and the wireless at the same time... so i think ill buy the SD card... and 128mb sandisk sd card is $48... 256mb is $70 |
| 09:43.33 | djr | tough decision, $20 mroe for an extra 128mb |
| 09:43.34 | djr | hmm |
| 09:44.26 | Davv | I use a CF wireless card all the time (DLINK DCF-660W) and I have a 128MB SD card for storage. |
| 09:45.03 | Davv | djr: I would probably spend the extra $20 for the 256 Meg. I have the 128 because I got it a long time ago. |
| 09:45.36 | Davv | djr: But it matters what you will put on there. I usually only use up around 30 or 40 megs. I don't reallly find the 128MB large enough to put lots of MP3's. |
| 09:46.59 | Davv | I use XMMS and the wireless card to stream music over the internet from www.shoutcast.com I figure if I want a portable MP3 player, I might as well buy a CF 512 or larger card - - since I would not be using wireless when on the road. |
| 09:47.14 | djr | well i think 256mb would be good for an album or two of music when going away from home for awhile... and still have room for apps and docs and other things |
| 09:47.46 | djr | wireless on the road is good, no? 4 out of 5 hotels have insecure wireless networks ;) |
| 09:47.48 | djr | free internet |
| 09:48.55 | Davv | djr: I don't know about hotels... some retail stores have wireless available. I know a Gateway store by me has access to the internet. There were some other shops too... that just probably never configured it properly (wireless). |
| 09:52.32 | djr | hehe |
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| 13:55.58 | CodeYoddler | . |
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| 14:51.39 | mspencer | Hmm...qplot is interesting...my math class is "number theory and cryptography" though, so let's see what Maxima is like... |
| 14:53.17 | mspencer | (I got tricked into taking this class. Ooh, it's a CSCI class with a dual class number, one in the 4000's and one in the 8000's -- bet this is going to be really code-intensive... Oh, damn, it's a MATH class, it's proof intensive, and the graduate student math majors in the class are kinda wondering what us computer science people are doing there. X__X ) |
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| 15:05.32 | tux_mike | mspencer: you taking a crpto class? |
| 15:07.23 | mspencer | in theory, yeah I guess I am...in practice, if I hear any more about euler's phi function or that any integer can be expressed as a product of powers of primes, I'm gonna puke...we haven't actually done anything that looks like crypto yet... |
| 15:08.37 | tux_mike | lol |
| 15:12.02 | mspencer | I almost think they just put the word "cryptography" in the course title to attract interest and demonstrate why the math is useful, not to actually say that you'll be doing that stuff in-class. |
| 15:13.19 | mspencer | though I rather expect we'll eventually be doing things like 10 or 12 bit RSA crypto on paper, as parts of assignments... |
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| 15:16.22 | MacGyver | @@ |
| 15:16.24 | MacGyver | hi |
| 15:16.30 | MacGyver | ¦³¥xÆW¤H¶Ü? |
| 15:16.51 | mspencer | ack, njstar communicator made that look like random bits of Japanese...what was that again? :) |
| 15:17.18 | MacGyver | have taiwannese ? |
| 15:17.44 | mspencer | 'yo' 'ke' + x 'ni' W , H "ka" "wo" question-mark ^__^ |
| 15:17.58 | mspencer | I don't speak Taiwannese |
| 15:18.04 | MacGyver | ccc |
| 15:18.11 | MacGyver | do you have sl-c700 ? |
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| 15:18.31 | mspencer | yes, and I also have class I need to leave for...sorry... |
| 15:19.02 | MacGyver | oh |
| 15:19.03 | MacGyver | bye |
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| 15:29.54 | Picso | Hello, can anyone tell where can I buy a zaurus pda online from europe???? |
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| 15:35.56 | destr0 | you should be able to buy one from HSN in april when they run the deal again shouldn't you? |
| 15:37.12 | Picso | destr0, I´m sorry but I don´t even know what HSN is.... |
| 15:38.14 | bipolar | Home shopping network. But I doubt they ship to eu. |
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| 15:38.49 | Picso | oh, ok , I´ve seen it now... |
| 15:38.54 | Picso | damn I want a zaurus so much... |
| 15:39.05 | mandrake | well I'm not going to get paid again this month |
| 15:39.08 | cbok | hmmmm |
| 15:39.12 | Picso | stupid country of mine!!!! |
| 15:39.13 | mandrake | suck-a-licious |
| 15:39.37 | cbok | have any of you used the serial cable to windows box for syncing w/oz3? |
| 15:39.39 | bipolar | Picso: you could have someone in US recive and re-ship it to you. |
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| 15:47.54 | WoodsDog | I am putting OZ on my Z...will the lights go off when it is done flashing? |
| 15:48.25 | MacGyver | oz for sl-c700 ? |
| 15:48.34 | WoodsDog | no, the 5500 |
| 15:48.51 | WoodsDog | they have been on now for about 15 minutes |
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| 15:55.32 | bipolar | WoodsDog: the mail light will go out when it is done flashing |
| 15:55.44 | WoodsDog | ok..it is still going... |
| 15:55.55 | WoodsDog | about 20 minutes now |
| 15:56.01 | bipolar | WoodsDog: the power light my still be on when it's done, if the battery is still charging. |
| 15:56.17 | WoodsDog | ok..i am keeping an eye on it |
| 15:56.37 | Zarchon_Desktop | how much of the stuff in unstable is actually usable? :-) |
| 15:56.49 | cbok | none of it |
| 15:57.10 | cbok | me too |
| 15:57.20 | cbok | now,if i could just get ppp from z to win box working fro syncing |
| 15:57.21 | yeiazel | (on the Z and on the computer (debian ;)) |
| 15:57.22 | cbok | i woudl be golden |
| 15:57.27 | bipolar | i'm working on rebuilding unstable, but it's being a bitch. |
| 15:57.34 | yeiazel | cbok: wifi+linux here; no pb |
| 15:57.35 | kergoth | -/win 15 |
| 15:57.37 | kergoth | damn - |
| 15:57.38 | kergoth | mornin |
| 15:57.42 | cbok | YO kg |
| 15:57.48 | yeiazel | 'lo kergoth |
| 15:57.49 | bipolar | kergoth: hiya |
| 15:57.55 | kergoth | ugh dont yo that loud, drank too much last night |
| 15:57.55 | Zarchon_Desktop | 'lo |
| 15:57.57 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:58.02 | bipolar | kergoth: heh |
| 15:58.02 | cbok | s/coerners/corners |
| 15:58.07 | yeiazel | HEEELLLOOOOOOOOOOOO KERGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTH |
| 15:58.14 | yeiazel | HOOOOOOOOOOOOOW AAAAARE YOOOOUUUUU ? |
| 15:58.17 | yeiazel | ^_^ |
| 15:58.26 | kergoth | ow |
| 15:58.29 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:58.30 | bipolar | ~slap yeiazel |
| 15:58.56 | cbok | kg - have you had success w/pppd -> win2k box over the serial cable for syncing? |
| 15:58.56 | yeiazel | bipolar: ibot likes me :p |
| 15:59.17 | kergoth | never tried |
| 15:59.23 | kergoth | should work fine in theory |
| 15:59.41 | cbok | "theory" |
| 15:59.57 | cbok | setup the win box to received the dir connection |
| 15:59.59 | cbok | right? |
| 16:00.09 | cbok | er receive |
| 16:06.00 | bipolar | kergoth: what happened to the def-configs? |
| 16:07.45 | kergoth | ? |
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| 16:12.02 | chouimat | morning |
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| 16:16.03 | cbok | kg - did you remove support for linksys wfc11? |
| 16:16.14 | cbok | er wcf 11 wireless? |
| 16:16.20 | cbok | i'm getting uunsupported device. |
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| 16:17.58 | kergoth | what rom? |
| 16:18.24 | Pendalar__ | update hostap |
| 16:19.14 | cbok | using 3.1 rc3.1 |
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| 16:19.49 | Pendalar | well update hostap then restart actually, if I remember right |
| 16:20.25 | cbok | update it from unstable |
| 16:20.26 | cbok | or testing? |
| 16:21.43 | Pendalar | unstable |
| 16:21.59 | Pendalar | unstable isn't as unstable generally as you'd think, not compared to the opie feed anyways |
| 16:25.33 | Zarchon_Desktop | I'm trying to remove a bad installation of konqueror-snapshot-full (I had user in the /etc/fstab file), but it's convinced that it isnt' installed |
| 16:25.49 | Zarchon_Desktop | Yet it is still shown as installed by the package manager |
| 16:26.08 | Zarchon_Desktop | which makes it impossible to reinstall the pacakge. How can I get out of this? |
| 16:26.15 | kergoth | cbok: it shoudl be supported in rc3.1.. thats odd |
| 16:26.20 | kergoth | Zarchon_Desktop: edit /usr/lib/ipkg/status |
| 16:27.24 | Pendalar | that happens often with my SD card, I just remove manually left behind files and the file kergoth said (but may be /mnt/card or /mnt/cf/usr/lib/ipkg/status |
| 16:27.30 | Pendalar | +) |
| 16:27.38 | Pendalar | need to wake up before I type =-P |
| 16:28.05 | cbok | kg - suggestions? |
| 16:28.22 | Pendalar | update hostap.. |
| 16:28.35 | Pendalar | it's quite painless, try it you might like it |
| 16:28.53 | cbok | i have no problem completing the task smartass |
| 16:29.11 | kergoth | uh, the hostap that _was_ in unstable _is_ in testing/rc3.1 |
| 16:29.17 | Pendalar | s/he knows my nickname ^_^ |
| 16:29.17 | kergoth | fucking idiots |
| 16:29.32 | Pendalar | maybe it's not built in right ? |
| 16:29.34 | Zarchon_Desktop | konqueror-snapshot-full isn't mentioned anywhere in /usr/lib/ipkg/status. Or would it be on the sd card, if I sent it there? |
| 16:29.35 | kergoth | all a testing release is, is a move of the packages from unstable to testing |
| 16:29.39 | kergoth | 'built in right'? |
| 16:29.44 | Pendalar | I had to update/reinstall hostap from unstable, seriously |
| 16:29.44 | kergoth | Zarchon_Desktop: yes |
| 16:29.56 | kergoth | cbok: what version is your hostap package? |
| 16:29.58 | Pendalar | I'm using 3.1rc3.1 |
| 16:30.17 | cbok | lemme look |
| 16:30.27 | kergoth | ipkg info hostap-modules|grep Version |
| 16:30.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:30.30 | Pendalar | wow a 400mhz Palm OS unit.. I never thought it could happen |
| 16:30.44 | kergoth | can we say.. pointless waste of processing power? |
| 16:30.48 | kergoth | like a palm needs that. pfft. |
| 16:30.50 | Pendalar | heh |
| 16:30.58 | Pendalar | nor does linux but hey, power is good |
| 16:31.21 | cbok | kergoth- 2002-19-12-6 |
| 16:31.25 | cbok | er |
| 16:31.30 | cbok | 2002-09-12-6 |
| 16:31.37 | treke | Pendalar: eh? linux can use it very well :) |
| 16:31.39 | Pendalar | 3 new intel PDA processors, but none above 400mhz... retards |
| 16:31.42 | cbok | oh wait |
| 16:31.43 | cbok | godadmnit |
| 16:31.48 | cbok | 2002-10-12-2 |
| 16:31.55 | kergoth | theres the problem |
| 16:31.59 | cbok | WHAT |
| 16:32.05 | Pendalar | can use it, but doesn't need it as badly to do the same thing compared to PPCs |
| 16:32.07 | treke | Pendalar: palm apps are still written with a 16mhz cpu in mind :) |
| 16:32.16 | kergoth | you're on the version that cant monitor |
| 16:32.23 | Pendalar | yeah.. I used them for 7 years |
| 16:32.23 | kergoth | and i dont think that version had teh linksys card entries |
| 16:32.35 | cbok | alright |
| 16:32.39 | Pendalar | til I found zaurus.. then it was like ohhhh hey this *does* something |
| 16:32.41 | cbok | so, i should update from which feed? |
| 16:32.46 | kergoth | cbok: grab 09-12-6 |
| 16:32.58 | cbok | hmmm. |
| 16:33.05 | kergoth | or 09-12-7 |
| 16:33.26 | cbok | how come i have 2 ver #'s? |
| 16:33.34 | cbok | 2002-09126 |
| 16:33.38 | cbok | and |
| 16:33.41 | cbok | the 10-x |
| 16:33.52 | kergoth | just run ipkg status hostap-modules |
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| 16:33.59 | kergoth | which one has a state of installed? |
| 16:34.41 | cbok | aaah |
| 16:34.43 | Pendalar | I think mine showed up as a IDE CF rather than an unsupported CF as best I remember |
| 16:34.46 | cbok | the 10- one |
| 16:34.52 | nixman | how does one get an ethenrnet connection on the zaurus ? |
| 16:35.04 | kergoth | by plugging in an ethernet card? |
| 16:35.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:35.22 | Pendalar | eth CF or might could to a serial eth dongle thing.. but that's a tad weird |
| 16:35.23 | Zarchon_Desktop | dammit. still not working. Now it refuses to install.. :-) |
| 16:35.29 | nixman | it has pcmcia ? |
| 16:35.33 | cbok | kg |
| 16:35.39 | cbok | dont forget you need the ethernet cable as well |
| 16:35.44 | Pendalar | no, compact flash |
| 16:35.45 | WoodsDog | OK...i am trying to flash, but both lights have been on for about 1 hour...what does that mean? |
| 16:35.48 | cbok | and a live jack |
| 16:35.49 | kergoth | yah that helps |
| 16:35.55 | cbok | woodsdog - you're f'ed.. |
| 16:35.58 | Pendalar | heh |
| 16:36.09 | WoodsDog | cbok: don't tell me that |
| 16:36.09 | kergoth | WoodsDog: problem with the card most likely, or corrupt files |
| 16:36.19 | Pendalar | means you didn't put the files on the CF right, or the CF is not FAT FS |
| 16:36.27 | WoodsDog | hmm..ok |
| 16:36.33 | WoodsDog | i thought it was fat 16... |
| 16:36.43 | WoodsDog | i guess i need to find a computer that has a flash reader |
| 16:37.04 | Pendalar | if you haven't formatted it differently, it should be fine out of box |
| 16:37.19 | cbok | i would say corrupt files |
| 16:37.36 | cbok | ENSURE you've pulled down the "binary" files "binary-style" |
| 16:37.42 | kergoth | check the md5sums if you can |
| 16:37.44 | cbok | yez |
| 16:37.48 | cbok | what kg said |
| 16:37.49 | WoodsDog | ok..i copied them over to the zaurus, then moved them to the cf |
| 16:37.55 | WoodsDog | that is a good idea... |
| 16:38.08 | cbok | dont you have a cf writer? |
| 16:38.38 | Pendalar | I broke down and bought a memory card reader for my pc |
| 16:38.56 | kergoth | they're pretty cheap. usb or pcmcia |
| 16:38.59 | Pendalar | reads ms/cf/sm/mmc/sd == $29 |
| 16:39.25 | Pendalar | oye power surge... there goes the tv... *sigh* |
| 16:39.35 | Pendalar | usb |
| 16:39.46 | WoodsDog | cbok: i don't |
| 16:39.59 | WoodsDog | donde esta pendalar? |
| 16:40.19 | Pendalar | eh? |
| 16:40.33 | WoodsDog | never mind |
| 16:40.33 | Pendalar | did you call me a chick?? |
| 16:40.47 | Pendalar | I know, just messing with ya |
| 16:40.54 | WoodsDog | ahh :) |
| 16:41.16 | Pendalar | just wget or scp them over the usb connection if nothing else |
| 16:41.31 | WoodsDog | the zaurus is kinda down right now |
| 16:41.37 | Pendalar | I did without a reader for a long time, then got a hp printer with one in it but was horribly slow |
| 16:42.03 | Pendalar | that is truuue... hrm yeah go buy a $30 reader, you won't be disappointed with the trouble it saves |
| 16:42.06 | kergoth | i flashed my Z once without a cf reader |
| 16:42.12 | kergoth | and picked up a reader the next day to recover it |
| 16:42.15 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:42.16 | Pendalar | lol |
| 16:42.17 | WoodsDog | kergoth: did it work? |
| 16:42.18 | WoodsDog | lol |
| 16:42.28 | Pendalar | I've never had a bad flash, so I've done it many a time without a reader |
| 16:42.38 | kergoth | well, i was creating oz at the time |
| 16:42.40 | kergoth | hacking up the sharp rom |
| 16:42.43 | WoodsDog | looks like i need a reader |
| 16:42.45 | kergoth | and it didnt boot |
| 16:42.46 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:42.47 | Pendalar | woodsdog go to walmart, get a $29 all in one Lexar brand reader |
| 16:43.16 | Pendalar | a reader is a reader, unless it's usb 2... so get a cheap one |
| 16:44.52 | Pendalar | I'm up to J: on my WinXP box now... running out of letters |
| 16:45.04 | Pendalar | I wonder if after Z: if it goes AA: or something |
| 16:46.19 | Pendalar | earth voyeur is neat |
| 16:47.28 | Zarchon_Desktop | Is there a page with descriptions of all the packages on the oz feeds? |
| 16:47.33 | gabe | yay. i finally got my Z hooked up with our airport APs |
| 16:47.53 | kergoth | Zarchon_Desktop: the Packages file in the feed has the descriptions if they exist.. but not all packages have descriptions written up. |
| 16:48.10 | Zarchon_Desktop | doh. thanks |
| 16:48.59 | Pendalar | be impressed if the package works at all |
| 16:49.08 | Pendalar | have the package maintainers are complete idiots |
| 16:49.12 | Pendalar | half rather |
| 16:49.23 | kergoth | What the fuck are you talking about? |
| 16:49.51 | Pendalar | I'm talking about 40% or better of downloadable packages do not correctly build into feeds |
| 16:49.59 | kergoth | uh, he's referring to the OZ feeds. |
| 16:50.02 | Pendalar | not OZ =-P |
| 16:50.04 | kergoth | and none of the OZ package maintainers are idiots |
| 16:50.14 | kergoth | 10:48 < Zarchon_Desktop> Is there a page with descriptions of all the packages |
| 16:50.15 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.20 | Pendalar | I'm talking about your average dev who posts on ZSI |
| 16:50.30 | Pendalar | ah |
| 16:51.00 | kergoth | quite right though, most of the packages out there for the Z are worthles |
| 16:51.40 | Pendalar | =-) esp java'y ones |
| 16:51.44 | Pendalar | for some odd reason |
| 16:51.59 | gabe | kergoth: the initrd you built yesterday works good so far |
| 16:52.19 | kergoth | good good, let me know if you find any bugs |
| 16:52.44 | Pendalar | guess I need to try it |
| 16:52.50 | gabe | it still didn't set my dns correctly, 127.0.0.1 was still listed as the first dns |
| 16:52.51 | Pendalar | been at work, so I'm out of the loop complately |
| 16:53.05 | kergoth | http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/collie/ |
| 16:53.08 | Pendalar | that's the default isn't it? |
| 16:53.10 | kergoth | it is what will become the next release |
| 16:53.13 | gabe | but it did add my dns to resolv.conf |
| 16:53.28 | Pendalar | on my linux box, the default had 127.0.0.1 listed as DNS |
| 16:53.41 | Pendalar | and it says 'put in a real DNS server below' |
| 16:53.46 | Pendalar | it's just showing you the form |
| 16:53.49 | Zarchon_Desktop | wtf is tinykate? |
| 16:53.56 | kergoth | a small version of Kate |
| 16:53.58 | kergoth | the kde editor |
| 16:54.08 | cor | *drool* |
| 16:54.12 | kergoth | great text editor with syntax highlighting and tabs for handling multiple files |
| 16:54.14 | Pendalar | cute little japanese girl I dated in highschool |
| 16:54.15 | Pendalar | oh... |
| 16:54.24 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:54.31 | Zarchon_Desktop | rofl |
| 16:54.39 | gabe | is OZ intended as being for more hardcore users or for 'regular folks' too? |
| 16:54.45 | kergoth | both |
| 16:55.05 | kergoth | The intent is to give the user as much flexibility as possible while not sacrificing usability. |
| 16:55.26 | Pendalar | I tend to think more hardcore since it's more of a evolving process |
| 16:55.32 | gabe | then who would i emailUI change recommendations to? |
| 16:55.43 | kergoth | gabe: for opie apps? the opie bug tracking systemw ould be best |
| 16:55.44 | Pendalar | you really need to moniter the OZ feeds etc to get the most out of it |
| 16:55.49 | gabe | k |
| 16:55.54 | kergoth | yeah, OZ and opie are pretty dynamic righ tnow |
| 16:55.56 | Pendalar | rather than regular folks who just want PIM and nothing more |
| 16:56.06 | kergoth | once opie 1.0 releases, we'll have a solid stable branch for those users |
| 16:56.19 | gabe | k |
| 16:56.30 | Pendalar | if you are a linux buff, use OZ.. if you are from Palm OS or want a electronic rolodex... use sharp |
| 16:56.48 | ljp_work | or you can email opie mailing list |
| 16:56.56 | kergoth | ibot: opie bugs |
| 16:56.57 | | well, opie bugs is http://opie.info/bugs/ |
| 16:57.00 | *** join/#zaurus ukozfan_ (~gary@host217-35-66-181.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 16:57.28 | gabe | i imagine not too many normal users will attempt oz |
| 16:57.46 | Zarchon_Desktop | hrm. task-opie-complete doesn't seem to work on the testing feed. it bitches about opie-irdaapplet |
| 16:58.12 | Pendalar | when is the opie 1.0 eta? |
| 16:58.14 | gabe | normal meaning folksexpecting it to be like palm |
| 16:58.36 | kergoth | Zarchon_Desktop: uh, oz includes opie-irdaapplet out of the box |
| 16:59.29 | Zarchon_Desktop | *shrug* dunno. I'm just a dumb user, parroting what my package installation proggie says |
| 16:59.33 | Zarchon_Desktop | :-) |
| 16:59.39 | kergoth | odd |
| 16:59.52 | kergoth | you dont want task opie complete though |
| 17:00.03 | kergoth | opie has more apps than can possibly fit in the flash on your z |
| 17:00.09 | kergoth | unless you're installing to sd or something :) |
| 17:00.17 | Zarchon_Desktop | I'll make another check. note also that I can't find opie-irdaapplet in the feed as such. perhaps it's deprecated/in the unstable feed? |
| 17:00.25 | Zarchon_Desktop | Hehe, I have a 256Meg SD card |
| 17:00.34 | Zarchon_Desktop | I'm filling it up |
| 17:00.49 | kergoth | k |
| 17:00.50 | Pendalar | get one of the 1gb cfs or sd/mmcs.. |
| 17:00.57 | kergoth | brb |
| 17:01.14 | Zarchon_Desktop | I would get the 1gb cf's, but I gotta have my wireless card. ;-( |
| 17:01.48 | Pendalar | why is http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/collie/rootfs-oz3.1-rc3.2-200303231916.bin 2.6 meg? |
| 17:01.53 | Zarchon_Desktop | as it is, I have another 256Megs of cf cad, if I need extra storage |
| 17:02.02 | Pendalar | get a 1gb SD then |
| 17:02.08 | MacGyver | 1gb sd ? |
| 17:02.24 | Zarchon_Desktop | I figure I'll just cache a few websites on my desktop and plug it in for those trips away from the wifi lan. :-) |
| 17:02.32 | Zarchon_Desktop | 1gb sd's don't exist, do they? |
| 17:03.22 | Zarchon_Desktop | Cool, task-opie-complete isn't complaining to me anymore |
| 17:03.27 | gabe | woo crashy |
| 17:03.41 | gabe | Zarchon_Desktop: i dont think so... |
| 17:03.43 | Zarchon_Desktop | bwahaha, 130Megs to go! |
| 17:03.56 | Pendalar | let me find the url if I can |
| 17:04.14 | MacGyver | oh...... |
| 17:04.18 | gabe | oh, yeah there are |
| 17:04.25 | MacGyver | my sl-c700 want run OZ ........ |
| 17:04.29 | gabe | search google for '1gb secure digital' |
| 17:04.39 | gabe | panasonic has one |
| 17:04.41 | kergoth | MacGyver: then you'll have to wait for me to finish the c700 support |
| 17:04.45 | kergoth | MacGyver: :) |
| 17:04.53 | MacGyver | yes |
| 17:05.21 | *** join/#zaurus d3o (~d3o@p3EE3B45C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:05.22 | d3o | hi |
| 17:05.25 | kergoth | its on hold pending the next release |
| 17:05.29 | kergoth | then i'll finish it |
| 17:05.41 | Pendalar | ugh palminfocenter's history doesn't go that far back |
| 17:05.51 | MacGyver | waiting for you....... |
| 17:06.28 | MacGyver | OZ can change other language.? |
| 17:06.29 | Pendalar | heh |
| 17:06.44 | kergoth | yes. opie supports like 17 languages or something |
| 17:06.55 | MacGyver | really ? |
| 17:07.06 | d3o | bye |
| 17:07.08 | MacGyver | i am use chinese big5 ? |
| 17:07.22 | kergoth | i dont think chinese is one of the supported languages yet |
| 17:07.29 | MacGyver | http://www.asia.cnet.com//reviews/hardware/desktops/0,39001729,39091620-2,00.htm <== CF ? |
| 17:07.33 | kergoth | but its open source, you can add the translation |
| 17:07.56 | gabe | kergoth: are there known issues with suspending while a network is in use that you already know of? |
| 17:08.05 | MacGyver | ya |
| 17:08.08 | MacGyver | i want ... |
| 17:08.17 | kergoth | gabe: not afaik |
| 17:08.31 | Pendalar | http://www.idg.com.sg/idgwww.nsf/unidlookup/26AC09F9ECBD66A348256C4700062384?OpenDocument |
| 17:08.37 | gabe | the rc3.2 rom you uploaded yesterday at least lets me suspend by pressing the cancel button for a few seconds, but it just crashed it when i woke it back up |
| 17:09.01 | Pendalar | 16gb by 2005 ;-) |
| 17:09.16 | bipolar | MacGyver: I'd rather have: http://www.asia.cnet.com//reviews/hardware/desktops/0,39001729,39091620-3,00.htm |
| 17:09.21 | gabe | i couldnt even suspend it with the rc3.1 rom when my wifi card was in, hehe |
| 17:09.41 | Pendalar | microdrives use too much batts and get too hot for PDA use |
| 17:09.43 | Pendalar | laptop sure |
| 17:10.03 | MacGyver | of....... |
| 17:10.11 | MacGyver | oh.... |
| 17:10.22 | *** part/#zaurus WoodsDog (mwoodson@splode.ut.caldera.com) |
| 17:10.32 | MacGyver | sl-c700 can use other batts ? |
| 17:10.45 | *** join/#zaurus WoodsDog (mwoodson@splode.ut.caldera.com) |
| 17:12.06 | kergoth | gabe: it crashed on resume? odd |
| 17:12.08 | kergoth | gabe: opie died? |
| 17:12.17 | gabe | locked up |
| 17:12.39 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:12.39 | Pendalar | when is husky going to be released ;-) |
| 17:12.55 | kergoth | guy calls in for support on a network attached product |
| 17:12.57 | gabe | kergoth: it was in the cradle using the usb network |
| 17:13.00 | kergoth | but doesnt know the fucking ip |
| 17:13.01 | kergoth | idiots |
| 17:13.12 | kergoth | gabe: ah, the usb networking suspend/resume hang is knwon |
| 17:13.15 | *** join/#zaurus oGMo (~rpav@216.190.2.44) |
| 17:13.16 | kergoth | i can never reproduce the problem |
| 17:13.20 | gabe | kergoth: ok, it suspended fine now with the wifi card in |
| 17:13.21 | kergoth | but people do run into i |
| 17:13.28 | gabe | weird |
| 17:13.50 | gabe | kergoth: any idea why it takes like 7 seconds to suspend with the wifi nic in? |
| 17:13.59 | Pendalar | I've had that happen twice, I think it only happens if you are logged into it when it suspends (say ssh over usb) |
| 17:14.20 | Pendalar | you actually have to have been doing something on the connect right before the suspend |
| 17:14.25 | cwaig | Pendalar: I'd disagree with that one - I use a microdrive on my Z, at least I get enough battery to watch a movie on the way to the office |
| 17:14.35 | Pendalar | with LCD on? |
| 17:14.38 | Pendalar | er light on |
| 17:14.51 | Pendalar | movie wouldn't be much fun without the LCD would it haha |
| 17:14.53 | gabe | Pendalar: yup, i was ssh'ing over usb |
| 17:15.20 | Pendalar | the easiest solution there gabe is set 'do not suspend' while on AC in the light and power settings.. |
| 17:15.34 | Pendalar | assuming you are refering to the cradle not the cables |
| 17:15.43 | gabe | Pendalar: yeah, but i was trying to suspend it ;) |
| 17:16.19 | gabe | hm, now networksettings is actin up |
| 17:16.28 | gabe | not quitting |
| 17:17.13 | Pendalar | sometimes it hangs if you make a change while the wifi cf is in it |
| 17:17.22 | gabe | uh, weird... network settings' icon is there but it's not in the process list, heh |
| 17:17.28 | Pendalar | I put it in, open network go to the settings while it says it's up |
| 17:17.35 | Pendalar | take out the cf, make the change and exit out |
| 17:17.38 | Pendalar | put the cf back in |
| 17:17.49 | kergoth | Pendalar: shouldnt be necessary anymore |
| 17:17.58 | kergoth | networksettings calls cardctl eject.. that was the infamous cardctl eject hang |
| 17:18.03 | kergoth | but that bug is FINALLY fixed |
| 17:18.13 | Pendalar | in rc3/.1 or? |
| 17:18.22 | Pendalar | I haven't noticed =-) |
| 17:18.24 | *** join/#zaurus zgabe (~zgabe@firewall.imaxsales.net) |
| 17:18.29 | zgabe | hoho |
| 17:18.43 | zgabe | wifi opie-irc |
| 17:18.45 | kergoth | Pendalar: only in the experimental images |
| 17:18.50 | kergoth | Pendalar: it wasnt fixed in rc3.1 |
| 17:18.51 | Pendalar | my god he's multiplying |
| 17:18.56 | Pendalar | that's what I thought |
| 17:18.59 | zgabe | heh |
| 17:19.04 | icefox | yah! 4 hours have pasted, I can take drugs again |
| 17:19.06 | gabe | spiffy |
| 17:19.30 | Pendalar | crank? |
| 17:19.50 | Pendalar | I'll try the exp images later tonight.. once I get a tar backup off my z |
| 17:19.56 | Pendalar | I need it working this week |
| 17:19.59 | kergoth | god my stomach hates me today |
| 17:20.12 | icefox | kergoth: just be glad you arn't me |
| 17:20.16 | Pendalar | rm -rf /dev/stomach |
| 17:20.22 | kergoth | icefox: sick? |
| 17:20.30 | icefox | broke my little toe. |
| 17:20.38 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:20.50 | kergoth | the only bone i've ever broken was the toe next to the little one |
| 17:20.57 | kergoth | broke it when i stubbed it into a coffee table running for the phone |
| 17:20.58 | kergoth | heeh |
| 17:21.03 | gabe | woah. now nmapfe crashed my Z |
| 17:21.16 | kergoth | all of opie died? |
| 17:21.17 | cwaig | yup - not on brightest, but I still get a couple of hours out of it... |
| 17:21.18 | kergoth | or hung? |
| 17:21.41 | gabe | it froze and there was a blinking console cursor at the bottom left corner |
| 17:21.46 | icefox | takes me forever to walk anywhere, can't cast it really. Best quote I found on the web about it : "When everything else is quiet you toe is still there saying HEY I HURT!' |
| 17:21.54 | kergoth | gabe: if you hit enter, are you at a prompt? |
| 17:22.12 | gabe | uh, i dont know i just rebooted it, i;ll try again |
| 17:22.16 | kergoth | k |
| 17:22.29 | Pendalar | kergoth will it ever work out when opie forces an app to close you don't get dumped at the prompt? |
| 17:22.41 | Pendalar | but it actually just kills the app, not opie |
| 17:22.54 | kergoth | heh, i'm sure i'tll work eventually |
| 17:23.03 | kergoth | in fact, i think sandman fixed it.. havent tried it recently |
| 17:23.23 | Pendalar | it bugs me because sometimes I hit enter accidently etc |
| 17:23.32 | Pendalar | I'd rather go to console and kill it manaully |
| 17:23.36 | Pendalar | don't have to restart opie then |
| 17:24.12 | icefox | Bugzilla is pretty cool |
| 17:24.47 | Pendalar | bbiaf, company |
| 17:28.23 | gabe | heh, now it decides to work... |
| 17:28.47 | gabe | that's what happened before |
| 17:28.57 | gabe | i tried to kill it and the whole UI died |
| 17:29.22 | kergoth | icefox: are you on crack? |
| 17:29.30 | gabe | ah hah, that crashed it |
| 17:29.50 | gabe | kergoth: i get nothing when i hit enter on the thumb board |
| 17:30.06 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:30.12 | kergoth | hm |
| 17:30.12 | kergoth | k |
| 17:30.12 | gabe | just a blinking console cursor in the left hand corner (the color is inverted) |
| 17:30.44 | icefox | kergoth? |
| 17:31.11 | icefox | taking asprin, not exactly crack, but takes away the pain |
| 17:31.11 | gabe | bugziller |
| 17:31.19 | kergoth | bugzilla's UI is horrid |
| 17:31.24 | kergoth | absolutely horrid |
| 17:31.25 | icefox | oh yes I agree |
| 17:31.27 | gabe | kergoth: amen |
| 17:31.38 | icefox | but it is better then passing around an excel speadsheet |
| 17:31.51 | icefox | ... not that we would be doing that here or anything. |
| 17:32.02 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:32.28 | kergoth | ok the kernels that match the xperimental images are uploaded |
| 17:32.40 | *** join/#zaurus nerdboy (~sarnold@64.136.145.171) |
| 17:32.53 | gabe | kergoth: is it possible to change the kernel without flashing the whole thing? |
| 17:33.15 | kergoth | you can flash the kernel by itself |
| 17:33.18 | kergoth | just dont put initrd.bin on the card |
| 17:33.31 | gabe | oh, cool |
| 17:34.00 | kergoth | yea. can flash them independently. its handy |
| 17:34.13 | Zarchon_Desktop | "zuc" A lovely name for a package. |
| 17:34.42 | Zarchon_Desktop | indeed, one could say that "zuc" sucks! |
| 17:35.24 | Zarchon_Desktop | man, I've installed almost everything I can think of and I *still* have 127M left |
| 17:36.27 | gabe | on CF or SD? |
| 17:36.38 | Zarchon_Desktop | sd |
| 17:36.54 | gabe | probably a 256mb sandisk |
| 17:36.57 | Zarchon_Desktop | yah, they're way cool |
| 17:37.00 | gabe | because they're just so damn abundant |
| 17:37.01 | Zarchon_Desktop | that's what I have |
| 17:37.14 | Zarchon_Desktop | I saw a 512mb, but it was a little pricey |
| 17:37.19 | gabe | very pricey |
| 17:37.54 | gabe | if only there were open source SD drivers so the damn driver could be fixed to use all 4 data paths |
| 17:38.02 | gabe | then it might get about 1MB/s writing to SD |
| 17:38.17 | Zarchon_Desktop | sandisk won't release specs? |
| 17:38.22 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:38.32 | hardwire | lets just say.. a bunch of turd |
| 17:38.33 | kergoth | its not sandisk, its sd. |
| 17:38.34 | kergoth | sd.org |
| 17:38.42 | Zarchon_Desktop | ah |
| 17:38.59 | hardwire | sd == secure digital.. not san disk |
| 17:39.52 | ljp_work | I thought sd == slow disk |
| 17:40.05 | hardwire | heheh |
| 17:40.11 | Zarchon_Desktop | Hmm. smbfs is complaining about samba being installed |
| 17:40.18 | kergoth | so install samba |
| 17:40.32 | Zarchon_Desktop | no no no, it's complaining that it *is* installed |
| 17:40.35 | Zarchon_Desktop | file overlaps |
| 17:40.45 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:40.47 | Zarchon_Desktop | I guess I'll try force overwrite.. :-) |
| 17:41.25 | Zarchon_Desktop | no complaints :-) |
| 17:43.07 | Zarchon_Desktop | hmmm. Python... That'll suck up a few megs. |
| 17:45.59 | XavierXeon | Zarchon_Desktop: you can always install c++ |
| 17:46.16 | kergoth | how do you insall a language? |
| 17:46.26 | ljp_work | very carefully |
| 17:46.42 | Zarchon_Desktop | lol |
| 17:46.44 | ljp_work | kergoth: ipkg |
| 17:46.51 | ljp_work | :) |
| 17:46.53 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:46.58 | Zarchon_Desktop | Compilation on a Z is something that should take years. :-) |
| 17:47.14 | XavierXeon | Zarchon_Desktop: it does !! |
| 17:47.32 | Zarchon_Desktop | It'll be like the old days my father used to tell me about: firing up a compile job and sitting back to read a few chapters of the sci-fi book while you wait. |
| 17:47.42 | ljp_work | distcc |
| 17:48.02 | icefox | Zarchon_Desktop: or submitting the punch cards to the priests and coming back the next day |
| 17:48.11 | Zarchon_Desktop | lol |
| 17:48.52 | Zarchon_Desktop | Methinks all development should be done on Z's. It'd bring down the blood pressure of so many people |
| 17:49.00 | icefox | ?? |
| 17:49.15 | Zarchon_Desktop | they'd get to sit back and wait for their compliations |
| 17:49.20 | Zarchon_Desktop | reducing the risk of RSI |
| 17:49.22 | kergoth | they'd kill people in frustration |
| 17:49.28 | icefox | I prefur the nfs mounting system myself. That way I get the compile speed of the desktop, but none of the gcc/glibc hassles |
| 17:49.58 | Zarchon_Desktop | You nfs mount the Z to the desktop and compile there? |
| 17:50.04 | icefox | yup |
| 17:50.08 | kergoth | eh? |
| 17:50.09 | icefox | well the other way around |
| 17:50.09 | Zarchon_Desktop | good idea |
| 17:50.12 | kergoth | that doesnt make any sense |
| 17:50.13 | icefox | mount my desktop onto the z |
| 17:50.15 | icefox | telnet in |
| 17:50.29 | Zarchon_Desktop | telnet into the desktop |
| 17:50.31 | kergoth | you're still compiling on the Z. |
| 17:50.32 | Zarchon_Desktop | right? |
| 17:50.33 | icefox | on my computer compile, in the telnet window - run |
| 17:50.38 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:50.42 | Zarchon_Desktop | ohh |
| 17:50.43 | icefox | no, I am compiling on the testing using the cross compiler |
| 17:51.04 | icefox | but because that dir is nfs mounted on the z I can just launch the app without having to copy etc |
| 17:51.21 | icefox | and what does that have to do with RSI? |
| 17:51.38 | Zarchon_Desktop | Well, if you had to *compile* on the Z, you'd have time to sit back and stretch |
| 17:51.39 | icefox | You desktop should be setup (http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/articles/wrists.php) so that it wont hurt your hands. |
| 17:51.43 | icefox | ah |
| 17:51.57 | Zarchon_Desktop | And maybe go hiking, you know :-) |
| 17:52.22 | icefox | or go home for "lunch" with your wife. :) |
| 17:52.34 | ljp_work | that slows up development, though. nothing would ever get finished |
| 17:52.35 | Zarchon_Desktop | You could even take the compiling Z hiking with you, although you'd probably need to carry 8 lbs of batteries. :-) |
| 17:52.55 | icefox | anyway. rsi is not about healing, but preventing |
| 17:52.56 | Zarchon_Desktop | naah, things got finished in the good old days, people'd just have to write more carefully. :-) |
| 17:52.58 | Zarchon_Desktop | lol |
| 17:53.36 | icefox | Only twice have I ever seen someone write a function (not hello world) and it compiled AND worked on the first time. |
| 17:53.40 | icefox | I bought him a beer |
| 17:53.42 | Zarchon_Desktop | icefox: yup. and regular breaks can help prevent. Ban all compilations on machines with more than 133MHz! |
| 17:53.52 | Zarchon_Desktop | rofl |
| 17:53.59 | *** join/#zaurus james_lan (~james@156.26.48.47) |
| 17:54.15 | Zarchon_Desktop | underclock them, I say! |
| 17:54.17 | icefox | after I saw him do that I now try to do that every time. Catch a hell of a lot of bugs and was able to do it once (thus I was the second time) |
| 17:54.48 | Zarchon_Desktop | :-) |
| 17:55.04 | icefox | the guy was a fantastic programmer, but because he only has a degree he is now working for ups. Really sad |
| 17:55.27 | kergoth | because he only has a degree? |
| 17:55.32 | kergoth | no experience? or..? |
| 17:55.40 | icefox | well very little exeriance |
| 17:55.47 | icefox | a few co ops |
| 17:55.55 | icefox | but hardly something you can compete against |
| 17:56.37 | icefox | even getting a paid co op is almost impossible now. Doesn't matter that you have to have several of them to graduate. |
| 17:56.43 | icefox | at RIT that is |
| 17:57.04 | ljp_work | well... fix it so it's not like that |
| 17:57.57 | kergoth | i need a degree |
| 17:57.57 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:58.18 | Zarchon_Desktop | I have degrees, but not in programming |
| 17:58.31 | kergoth | http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/evol_chair.htm <-thats kinda spiffy |
| 17:58.36 | icefox | in this time experiance seems to count for a heck of a lot more then degrees |
| 17:59.02 | icefox | sense employeers know they can find someone with exactly what they want. i.e. R&D isn't hiring |
| 17:59.20 | Zarchon_Desktop | hehe |
| 18:00.12 | cbok | kergoth - at least a degreee would get you out of desktop support! |
| 18:00.25 | kergoth | theoretically |
| 18:00.28 | ljp_work | I have 98.6 degrees, usually |
| 18:00.46 | kergoth | my dad has 96.8 degrees |
| 18:00.52 | kergoth | kinda weird |
| 18:01.26 | icefox | eh, networking is really the way to move anywhere |
| 18:01.37 | kergoth | very true |
| 18:03.00 | kergoth | any more volunteers to test the current oz image? |
| 18:03.14 | icefox | well It is part of my job, but if I am looking for a job that is where I would go. |
| 18:04.59 | gabe | what do the -debug kernels do? |
| 18:05.10 | gabe | allow you to gdb into it? |
| 18:06.43 | Zarchon_Desktop | Hmm. Any way I can get back to the interactive installation window in the package manager after I've gone to the desktop? |
| 18:06.58 | Zarchon_Desktop | Going back to the package manager app just gives me the package selection window |
| 18:10.14 | Zarchon_Desktop | So I guess I'll take that as a no. |
| 18:10.27 | cbok | barf |
| 18:10.27 | Zarchon_Desktop | sounds like a minor UI bug |
| 18:10.41 | gaurdian | can someone point me to some docks re: syncing over a lan without the usb cradle, useing a lan card |
| 18:11.56 | Zarchon_Desktop | Would be nice if the package manager at least updated the installed packages list each time a package is installed. As it is, I have to go to the process manager and watch for ipkg to vanish. |
| 18:14.27 | james_lan | kergoth, problems with xmmms-e and mplayer (but that is from old testing) opera doesn't seem to work (couple of non-error messages, then just stops loading) also problems with ipkgs (you mentioned that, what are they specifcally, so I can see if the problems are something else) |
| 18:14.46 | kergoth | james_lan: did opera work in previous versions? |
| 18:14.56 | james_lan | yes |
| 18:15.11 | james_lan | same ipkg used to install it as the previous time. |
| 18:15.31 | kergoth | then opie likely changed in some way that broke it |
| 18:15.36 | kergoth | open a report in their bts |
| 18:15.37 | kergoth | ibot: opie bugs |
| 18:15.42 | | opie bugs is, like, http://opie.info/bugs/ |
| 18:15.42 | james_lan | likely |
| 18:16.08 | kergoth | denes, the xmms/mplayer package maintainer, noted on the lists that he hasnt touched them in some time, adn they dont likely work atm |
| 18:17.24 | james_lan | these are from the rc2 release (likely my error though, and has to do with the ipkgs not installing, but being reported as installed, libmad at first didn't get installed, probably something else now.) |
| 18:18.08 | kergoth | odd |
| 18:18.17 | kergoth | libmad installs, i tested it here to install opie-mediaplayer2 |
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| 18:18.31 | james_lan | was that the ipkg problem you mentioned last night? |
| 18:18.52 | kergoth | it'll say opie-base and qpe-base arent found |
| 18:18.59 | kergoth | you have to -force-depends opie apps to install |
| 18:19.02 | james_lan | then this is something else. |
| 18:19.05 | kergoth | ipkg isnt obeying Provides properly |
| 18:19.06 | kergoth | eyah |
| 18:20.01 | james_lan | not only that if it gets an error while installing from aqpkg it still lists it as installed. (hence it thought libmad was installed) |
| 18:23.44 | *** join/#zaurus mark (~mark@s.westcott.freeuk.com) |
| 18:31.27 | Twiun | hey mark |
| 18:32.50 | Zarchon_Desktop | dammit. is there *any* way I can get the mail client working? |
| 18:33.11 | icefox | I like the pray to gods aproch |
| 18:33.22 | icefox | in oz or sharp? |
| 18:33.23 | Zarchon_Desktop | sigh |
| 18:33.25 | Zarchon_Desktop | oz |
| 18:33.29 | mark | hi Twiun |
| 18:33.35 | Zarchon_Desktop | I can't even get it to start |
| 18:33.51 | james_lan | which version? |
| 18:34.07 | Zarchon_Desktop | the latest testing ROM |
| 18:34.12 | Zarchon_Desktop | fresh off the site |
| 18:38.02 | Zarchon_Desktop | has anyone got a working mail client under OZ? |
| 18:38.21 | Zarchon_Desktop | I mean, I can make do with webmail, but... :-) |
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| 18:53.19 | cbok | uhm grumpy |
| 18:53.21 | cbok | dont irc as root |
| 18:54.26 | grumpier | cbok: why's that? |
| 18:54.39 | Zarchon_Desktop | insecure |
| 18:54.47 | cbok | its a large security risk |
| 18:54.47 | grumpier | ...why's it insecure? |
| 18:54.51 | cbok | oh god.. |
| 18:54.55 | cbok | grumpy... |
| 18:54.55 | WoodsDog | :) |
| 18:54.59 | cbok | common dude |
| 18:55.03 | WoodsDog | this could be fun to watch |
| 18:55.10 | Zarchon_Desktop | icefox: What kinds of screen covers are approved for use with the Z? I've heard a few horror stories of how they break the touchpad. |
| 18:55.17 | cbok | why dont you do a google.com on ircing at root |
| 18:55.17 | darienm | Not another MarkNovak incident...... |
| 18:55.25 | cbok | or, if you'd like, i can just show you why.. |
| 18:55.31 | icefox | none officially that i know of |
| 18:55.34 | cbok | i can compromise your box .. |
| 18:55.37 | grumpier | noooo, I'm ok thx |
| 18:55.37 | icefox | check myzaurus.com for any official ones |
| 18:55.39 | grumpier | ; ) |
| 18:55.53 | cbok | well grumpy, then get the hell off irc as root |
| 18:55.55 | darienm | Zarchon_Desktop I love the screen protector I got at http://www.screenprotectors.com/ |
| 18:55.59 | cbok | god.. |
| 18:56.18 | mark | cbok: can you get access that I've got on my box? |
| 18:56.25 | darienm | Zarchon_Desktop Whoops, wrong address |
| 18:56.37 | darienm | Zarchon_Desktop http://pdascreenprotectors.com/ |
| 18:56.37 | cbok | mark - english please |
| 18:57.17 | darienm | cbok, you've been challenged :) |
| 18:57.37 | cbok | i would need him to sign a waiver |
| 18:57.39 | cbok | :-) |
| 18:57.40 | mark | cbok: well if you can compromise his box, then presumably you can get the access that I've got on mine? |
| 18:58.13 | cbok | if you have a gay password, or exploitable services enabled, then of course i can |
| 18:58.31 | cbok | you will have to sign a waiver |
| 18:58.41 | mark | a gay password, 'i_like_men'? :P |
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| 19:02.31 | kybu | hi |
| 19:03.09 | james_lan | btw, what does user does opieirc use? |
| 19:15.59 | kergoth`lunch | james_lan: what? |
| 19:26.05 | treke | james_lan: ? |
| 19:26.35 | james_lan | what user does it report as rather |
| 19:27.15 | treke | probably root |
| 19:42.27 | warmi | I am gonna change my user name to root and join from Windows box ... them them hack away at that |
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| 19:47.26 | iMach | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed |
| 19:47.48 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:47.55 | iMach | or something |
| 19:49.34 | zoid | in the sharp rom is there any way to edit files in /etc ? |
| 19:49.43 | kergoth | vi? text editor? |
| 19:49.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:49.55 | kergoth | vi's probably your best bet :) |
| 19:50.33 | zoid | well itried text editor, but there's no place to open a file |
| 19:50.38 | zoid | i just see New in the menu |
| 19:51.57 | kergoth | you can go into file manager, and tap _ hold and hit open in text editor, iirc |
| 19:52.01 | kergoth | its been a while sine i used sharp |
| 19:52.51 | zoid | there's a file manager, heh? |
| 19:53.32 | kergoth | zoid: yes. file manager and terminal are on the cd shipped with the unit |
| 19:53.40 | kergoth | zoid: on zsi also (killefiz.de/zaurus) |
| 19:53.47 | zoid | ahh |
| 19:54.11 | zoid | guess i need to get it to get on the net from the cradle first :) |
| 19:57.16 | djr | hows the wireless security at tmobile starbucks hotspots? eheheheh |
| 19:57.40 | zoid | can someone point me to some docs to getting the zaurus to talk from the cradle? |
| 19:57.58 | zoid | i've got usbnet compiled in the kernel already, and i'm running 2.4.21-pre5 (with zaurus support) |
| 19:58.10 | kergoth | okay, can you ping the Z? |
| 19:58.17 | djr | zoid: i got it to talk with the computer it was hooked up to, but not on the net... i just bought a wireless card and i use the net fine |
| 19:58.36 | djr | also, i cant get that opie-mail2 program to check my mail... is it just for sending email? |
| 19:58.55 | kergoth | its borked |
| 19:58.56 | zoid | djr: well i need to edit a file in /etc to get my wireless card to work, heh |
| 19:59.06 | zoid | so i need to copy over the vi pkg |
| 19:59.10 | djr | kergoth: ohhh, ok |
| 19:59.47 | djr | zoid: ahh, i just got the Z talking to the computer it was hooked to, then i just scpd the file i needed over and installed it |
| 20:00.03 | zoid | how'd you do that? |
| 20:00.25 | djr | well... i used windows... |
| 20:00.27 | kergoth | uh, vi is in the Z as shipped |
| 20:00.33 | kergoth | busybox vi, but still |
| 20:00.45 | zoid | kergoth: well how can i use it? i have no term |
| 20:01.07 | kergoth | you need to get connectivity obviously. to install the terminal, not to install vi :) |
| 20:01.13 | zoid | yeah |
| 20:01.25 | zoid | where are some docs on how to get connectivity? |
| 20:01.34 | kergoth | doc.zaurus.com |
| 20:01.38 | Zarchon_Desktop | anyone know how I can configure the today-sockticker and today-weather plugins? |
| 20:01.38 | ChrisH | I'm feeling stupid. I try to run Intellisync on Win2k and it doesn't sync anything although the docking station is properly detected. Any ideas? |
| 20:01.39 | kergoth | did you bring up usb0? |
| 20:01.54 | kergoth | Zarchon_Desktop: in the today config screen.. |
| 20:01.57 | zoid | no, mine seems to be eth1 |
| 20:01.59 | djr | im thinking of putting the sharp rom back on, without email or word im kinda lost, ehehe |
| 20:02.09 | zoid | zoidian kernel: CDCEther.c: eth1: Sharp SL Series |
| 20:02.09 | kergoth | zoid: then you need to add CDCEther to /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 20:02.15 | kergoth | zoid: its grabbing it when it shouldnt. |
| 20:02.20 | kergoth | zoid: you want usbnet to grab it |
| 20:02.29 | kergoth | echo CDCEther >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 20:02.31 | kergoth | then it'll work fine |
| 20:03.45 | noidd | zoid is too close to noidd, kick him :-D |
| 20:04.13 | noidd | afternoon :-/ |
| 20:04.24 | kergoth | hey noidd |
| 20:04.30 | *** join/#zaurus bipolar (~bflong@24.229.103.140) |
| 20:04.33 | noidd | hey kergoth, hows things going? |
| 20:04.39 | kergoth | wanna test the current OZ testing rom? |
| 20:04.43 | kergoth | soliciting for testers |
| 20:04.52 | noidd | sure - lemme grab my Z, one sec |
| 20:04.54 | zoid | kergoth: does it matter that i have bot usbnet and CDCEther compiled in the kernel itself, and not as modules? |
| 20:05.11 | kergoth | zoid: yes. that wont work. |
| 20:05.15 | zoid | ahh |
| 20:05.20 | kergoth | zoid: rebuild it iwthout cdcether, or as modules |
| 20:05.24 | kergoth | usb is best handled via modules |
| 20:05.29 | kergoth | build everything as modules and use hotplug |
| 20:05.30 | zoid | gotcha |
| 20:05.34 | kergoth | which loads the ones it needs when it needs em |
| 20:05.36 | Zarchon_Desktop | today config.... I can't find the today config screen. Is it a separate app, or how is it hidden in the today screen? :-) |
| 20:05.37 | noidd | erm, my Zaurus isn't in its cradle - lemme check the car - 2 mins |
| 20:05.42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:05.49 | kergoth | Zarchon_Desktop: the wrench in the upper right |
| 20:05.53 | kergoth | Zarchon_Desktop: :) |
| 20:06.10 | Zarchon_Desktop | ahhhh |
| 20:06.15 | ChrisH | Damn... personal firewall. :) |
| 20:06.18 | Zarchon_Desktop | and I thought that was just a clever decoration |
| 20:06.48 | kergoth | maybe we should make it look more like a button |
| 20:06.51 | kergoth | to make it more obvious |
| 20:07.07 | Zarchon_Desktop | hmm. |
| 20:07.22 | Zarchon_Desktop | I installed the weather plugin, but it doesn't appear. do I need to reinstall today? |
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| 20:07.27 | kergoth | no |
| 20:07.35 | kergoth | maybe restart opie? |
| 20:07.45 | Zarchon_Desktop | maybe reboot... |
| 20:09.26 | noidd | not in the car, this could be bad |
| 20:09.31 | noidd | going to search the room, brb |
| 20:09.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:09.37 | kergoth | lost the Z eh |
| 20:09.41 | kergoth | thats not good |
| 20:10.33 | noidd | foudn it :-) |
| 20:10.37 | Zarchon_Desktop | nope. reboot don't work. |
| 20:10.40 | Zarchon_Desktop | grr |
| 20:10.43 | noidd | ok, wherebouts is the download? |
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| 20:17.42 | gaurdian | http://anubis.ikiliekki.org/pics/kuses.jpg |
| 20:21.41 | warmi | hehehe |
| 20:22.31 | grumpy | by the powwwwaaa of greyskull! |
| 20:24.28 | cbok | at leeast grump is no longer ircing as root |
| 20:24.52 | bonerz | we should send arnold swartz...to kill him |
| 20:24.57 | grumpy | :-P |
| 20:25.03 | bonerz | dress him as conan the barbarian first htough |
| 20:25.15 | grumpy | schwarzenegger? |
| 20:25.25 | grumpy | Dolph Lundgren would pwn his ass : ) |
| 20:26.06 | grumpy | Arnie wouldn't even get close |
| 20:26.38 | Zarchon_Desktop | Well, installing the today plugins to the root partition made things work |
| 20:27.45 | titeuf | re |
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| 20:37.13 | zoid | ok, i've got it up as usb0, now what? |
| 20:37.20 | kergoth | can you ping the Z? |
| 20:37.32 | zoid | what needs setup on the Z's side? |
| 20:38.24 | zoid | i can ping the ip address that usb0 shows |
| 20:39.34 | kergoth | of course you can. |
| 20:39.36 | kergoth | can you ping the _Z_? |
| 20:39.50 | zoid | how can i get the ip address of the Z? |
| 20:40.00 | treke | ifconfig |
| 20:40.03 | james_lan | ifconfig |
| 20:40.06 | james_lan | heh |
| 20:40.30 | bipolar | kergoth: how do I make clean just the qt and opie dir's? I'm gonna try to build them again. |
| 20:40.31 | zoid | that's what i just said i pinged and kergoth didn't sound like it was right, heh |
| 20:41.55 | kergoth | make SUBDIRS="packages/opie packages/qte" clean |
| 20:42.00 | kergoth | bipolar: ^^ |
| 20:42.08 | zoid | kergoth: i don't think i can ping the Z |
| 20:43.14 | kergoth | bipolar: you bk pull'd, right? |
| 20:43.33 | kergoth | bipolar: you see, simon pushed the fix for live rotation :D |
| 20:43.42 | kergoth | bipolar: which is sweet |
| 20:44.14 | kergoth | brb |
| 20:47.03 | noidd | kergoth: rom url? |
| 20:49.02 | kergoth | http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/collie/ |
| 20:49.29 | djr | im running one of those |
| 20:49.38 | kergoth | djr: hows it working for you? |
| 20:49.57 | djr | er, wait, let me see which im running |
| 20:50.10 | zoid | ok, so what all needs setup on the Z's side to sync/talk to my computer? |
| 20:50.11 | djr | rootfs-oz3.1-rc3.2-200303241609.bin |
| 20:50.14 | djr | thats all i put on |
| 20:50.17 | kergoth | good |
| 20:50.21 | djr | i didnt use any of the zImage's yet cause they werent there |
| 20:50.22 | kergoth | you should flash one of hte kernels too |
| 20:50.28 | kergoth | cause then you can enable irda :) |
| 20:50.35 | djr | i dont use irda, ehehe |
| 20:50.56 | Zarchon_Desktop | so what's this evas-test package? |
| 20:50.58 | kergoth | well it doesnt matter then! |
| 20:50.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:51.02 | djr | but that rootfs thing is working fine... no issues... i think its more solid than 3.1-rc3.1 |
| 20:51.04 | kergoth | Zarchon_Desktop: a test.. for evas |
| 20:51.08 | kergoth | djr: great |
| 20:51.12 | Zarchon_Desktop | lol |
| 20:51.18 | kergoth | Zarchon_Desktop: i'm so helpful. |
| 20:51.22 | Zarchon_Desktop | does it include an AT field generator? :-) |
| 20:51.23 | kergoth | evas is a canvasing library |
| 20:51.35 | Zarchon_Desktop | ah |
| 20:51.40 | kergoth | the test app is just that. an app to test its functionality. displays a bunch of stuff with it |
| 20:51.46 | kergoth | outputs a FPS when its done |
| 20:51.49 | kergoth | evas is pretty spiffy |
| 20:51.50 | djr | now to get kismet going so i can get online from starbucks for free |
| 20:52.04 | Zarchon_Desktop | does the canvasing library do anything spiffy? |
| 20:52.23 | Zarchon_Desktop | that is, does anything use it presently? |
| 20:52.40 | kergoth | Zarchon_Desktop: no real apps for it yet |
| 20:52.47 | kergoth | theres a TS calibrator, thats about it. |
| 20:53.02 | Zarchon_Desktop | hmm |
| 20:53.08 | kergoth | but its spiffy! |
| 20:53.10 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:53.10 | Zarchon_Desktop | Someone should port bzflag to the Z |
| 20:53.15 | kergoth | it runs |
| 20:53.22 | kergoth | tim riker did it, but it goes at like 1fps |
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| 20:53.24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:53.24 | Zarchon_Desktop | bzflag? |
| 20:53.27 | Zarchon_Desktop | dang |
| 20:54.52 | destr0 | kergoth: do the kompany apps work fine on OZ? ( tkJabber etc.. |
| 20:55.02 | icefox | in theory |
| 20:55.21 | destr0 | but not in practice? |
| 20:55.59 | Zarchon_Desktop | hmm |
| 20:56.16 | Zarchon_Desktop | konqueror-snapshot-full doesn't appear to supply a useragent, or so thinks xxx.lanl.gov |
| 20:56.22 | zoid | is all this networking/syncing/talking to a pc stuff easier in open zaurus? |
| 20:57.08 | zoid | or would someone like to offer some assistance to me in getting it to work in the default sharp rom? |
| 20:57.45 | djr | whoa |
| 20:57.46 | djr | kismet rocks |
| 20:57.57 | kergoth | djr: indeed it does |
| 20:58.23 | djr | i just enabled at home and it shows four other networks besides mine |
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| 21:03.24 | zoid | ok, i've done everything i "thought" i was supposed to do and STILL can't ping the Z! |
| 21:03.42 | kergoth | what ip are you trying to ping |
| 21:03.49 | zoid | 192.168.129.201 |
| 21:04.12 | Wintre | djr: Interesting. |
| 21:05.22 | Pend-Gone | what happens if you flash the new initrd.bin but not the other heh |
| 21:05.32 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:05.38 | kergoth | you mean flash it without the new zImage? |
| 21:05.46 | kergoth | nothing happens, cept you wont be able to enable irda |
| 21:06.06 | Pend-Gone | any plus to doing it? |
| 21:06.25 | polin8 | anyone know off the top their head what codec is needed to play opie-vmemo files? |
| 21:06.48 | kergoth | depends on what player you're using |
| 21:07.02 | zoid | kergoth: any idea what else to try? |
| 21:07.21 | polin8 | it defaults to opie-2 |
| 21:07.49 | polin8 | actually, it has too, since the only other one I have installed is xmms and its segfaulting on startup |
| 21:09.46 | ChrisH | Has anyone successfully synced the Z with Outlook connecting to an Exchange server? |
| 21:10.12 | noidd | flashin' |
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| 21:14.41 | polin8 | the error is "no demux plugin found for this media: |
| 21:15.35 | djr | when you download ipks from feeds, where does it go ? |
| 21:15.50 | djr | cause i want to install an ipk from aqpkg but it doesnt see the ipks when i choose local |
| 21:18.38 | noidd | ChrisH: one of my customrs does that |
| 21:19.26 | kergoth | djr: you have to put the ipks somewhere the docs system sees it |
| 21:19.31 | kergoth | djr: /root/Documents or whatever |
| 21:19.35 | ChrisH | noidd: Does it work? And is it as terribly slow as with me (2 minutes to sync a bunch of tasks)? Not that I like Outlook but as with other people that's what my employer decided to use. |
| 21:19.51 | noidd | ChrisH: it works, fast too |
| 21:20.01 | noidd | ChrisH: does the entire company directory in a few seconds |
| 21:20.10 | djr | ahh |
| 21:20.11 | djr | k |
| 21:20.12 | djr | thx |
| 21:20.13 | ChrisH | noidd: Using Intellisync I suppose? |
| 21:20.24 | noidd | ChrisH: I believe so |
| 21:20.33 | ChrisH | noidd: Thanks. |
| 21:20.46 | noidd | you're most welcome |
| 21:21.41 | warmi | hehehe |
| 21:22.43 | zoid | bah, STILL can't ping the damn thing |
| 21:24.51 | zoid | anyone feel like offering some assistance? |
| 21:25.59 | zoid | kergoth: wait, i think i may have figured it out |
| 21:26.09 | zoid | eth0 is on 255.255.255.248 |
| 21:26.16 | zoid | and the zaurus is on 255.255.255.255 is that a problem? |
| 21:26.54 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:27.01 | kergoth | uhh |
| 21:27.04 | kergoth | its NOT eth0 |
| 21:27.08 | kergoth | is it? |
| 21:27.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:27.19 | zoid | no no, my ethernet card is eth0 |
| 21:27.23 | zoid | the zaurus is usb0 |
| 21:27.31 | kergoth | your ethernet card is irrelevent |
| 21:27.35 | Wintre | zoid: A USB network connection isn't eth0 |
| 21:27.36 | kergoth | but that mask needs to be opened up |
| 21:27.43 | kergoth | 255.255.255.0 is the most common |
| 21:27.58 | zoid | for the Z? |
| 21:28.10 | kergoth | yes. |
| 21:28.17 | zoid | k |
| 21:29.10 | raceme | hi dudes |
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| 21:35.54 | zoid | ok, this is starting to get frustrating |
| 21:37.47 | sieve | zoid: are you using winblows or linux as your host machine? |
| 21:37.58 | noidd | linux |
| 21:38.01 | zoid | linux |
| 21:38.09 | noidd | bah, ziod, noidd |
| 21:38.10 | sieve | what kernel? |
| 21:38.16 | zoid | 2.4.21-pre5 |
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| 21:38.48 | sieve | when you do an ifconfig do you see the usb ethernet interface? |
| 21:38.55 | zoid | yes |
| 21:40.03 | sieve | zoid: usbd0? |
| 21:40.09 | zoid | usb0 |
| 21:40.27 | edave | Is anyone else experiencing tiny skips when playing OGG's in xmms from SD with OZ3.1RC3.1? |
| 21:41.45 | yeiazel | are SDs fast enough for ogg playing ? |
| 21:41.54 | james_lan | yes |
| 21:42.00 | edave | yez: on my Tungsten they are... |
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| 21:42.03 | zoid | is it easier to get networking and all that setup under OZ rather then the sharp rom? |
| 21:42.36 | icefox | completly depends |
| 21:42.41 | sieve | zoid: what are you wanting to do with it once you get it networked? |
| 21:42.55 | zoid | sieve: i just wanna put some packages over on it |
| 21:42.59 | zoid | and some contacts/etc |
| 21:43.12 | zoid | that way i can edit a file in /etc/ and get my wireless card to work |
| 21:43.30 | sieve | zoid: for that yea.. I just ssh over to mine |
| 21:43.50 | sieve | zoid: what are your network settings for usb0? |
| 21:44.14 | zoid | what settings do you want? |
| 21:44.28 | sieve | ip address and netmask for usb0 |
| 21:44.39 | zoid | ip is 192.168.129.1 |
| 21:44.39 | zoid | inet addr:192.168.129.1 Bcast:192.168.129.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 21:45.00 | sieve | ok.. have any routes added to your routing table? |
| 21:45.10 | ChrisH | What are your favorite PIM applications? IMHO the built-in schedule manager suc*s. ;) |
| 21:45.19 | zoid | 192.168.129.201 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 usb0 |
| 21:45.23 | zoid | 192.168.129.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 |
| 21:45.54 | sieve | zoid: hmm.. that should work fine.. |
| 21:46.07 | zoid | i can't ping 192.168.129.201 |
| 21:46.09 | edave | ChrisH: On the Z, or in general? |
| 21:46.44 | ChrisH | edave: On the Z. I'm used to Newton and Psion and even the PocketPC default PIM looks more comfortable. Or am I way too perfectional? |
| 21:47.21 | zoid | this is quite frustrating |
| 21:47.39 | sieve | zoid: can you ping your host machine from the z? |
| 21:48.00 | edave | ChrisH: Don't actually use my Z for any PIM. The apps are weak in comparison with their PalmOS counterparts. |
| 21:48.06 | zoid | i don't have a terminal on the zaurus |
| 21:48.14 | sieve | zoid: for that matter do you have iptables or anything like that running on your host? |
| 21:48.24 | zoid | yes |
| 21:48.29 | ChrisH | edave: I see... I always feared I would use a PDA like the Z for hacking only. :) |
| 21:49.03 | edave | ChrisH: Much like myself then. :) Still trying to justify the SMC Wireless card I just ordered. :) |
| 21:49.16 | ChrisH | edave: Educational purposes? :) |
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| 21:49.34 | sieve | zoid: ok.. is iptables blocking usb0 or not responding to icmp pings? |
| 21:49.50 | edave | ChrisH: Yeah. Since I'm a PhD student in networking, that will work. :) |
| 21:49.58 | zoid | sieve: how can i tell? |
| 21:50.31 | sieve | zoid: on your host machine issue as root iptables -L |
| 21:50.49 | zoid | i don't see anything in there |
| 21:50.52 | zoid | it's all empty |
| 21:51.00 | sieve | look for rules that may be blocking usb0 or icmp pings... |
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| 21:51.29 | Zarchon | does anyone use qwikscript? |
| 21:51.48 | sieve | zoid: are you using a homebrew script to start you tables or are you using some premade script from redhat? |
| 21:52.19 | zoid | sieve: i have no clue man, i just compiled it in my kernel |
| 21:52.25 | icefox | http://zaurus.c-works.net/index.php |
| 21:52.32 | zoid | iptables -t nat -F |
| 21:52.33 | zoid | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -o eth0 --to 10.147.48.82 |
| 21:52.35 | zoid | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 21:52.40 | Neo|Work | hrm |
| 21:52.41 | zoid | that's what gets ran |
| 21:54.12 | sieve | looks like you're following the FAQ just right |
| 21:54.42 | gaurdian | hey icefox , question for ya |
| 21:55.16 | gaurdian | seeing how qtopia 1.6 is out, how can I get 1.6 to replace whats on the Z sharp rom ? |
| 21:55.27 | gaurdian | or is it even possible ? |
| 21:56.58 | kergoth | gaurdian: why bother? opie incorporated all the qtopia 1.6 spiffiness months ago |
| 21:57.02 | zoid | sieve: any clue? |
| 21:57.24 | gaurdian | because I dont run OZ at the moment |
| 21:57.45 | gaurdian | so is it possible ? |
| 21:57.55 | gaurdian | and if so can ya opoint me to some docs ? |
| 21:58.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:58.07 | kergoth | you'll have to rip apart the sharp rom |
| 21:58.12 | gaurdian | ahh |
| 21:58.13 | kergoth | rebuild it with your changes |
| 21:58.15 | kergoth | its pointless |
| 21:58.17 | kergoth | sharp is read only |
| 21:58.19 | gaurdian | got ya |
| 21:58.20 | kergoth | you'll have ot build a new image |
| 21:58.27 | kergoth | just install oz and create some qtopia 1.6 ipks |
| 21:58.30 | kergoth | then install em |
| 22:00.35 | zoid | bah, this sucks |
| 22:00.45 | zoid | i've did everything right, and the damn thing won't work |
| 22:01.27 | noidd | kergoth: got the same bug as before :-( |
| 22:03.05 | noidd | cunning |
| 22:03.20 | noidd | its a bug with the network application, not the pcmcia subsystem |
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| 22:04.57 | noidd | after you type all of the information in and hit ok, it doesn't seem to eject and re-insert the card |
| 22:05.28 | noidd | if i do an eject, the machine hangs about 3 times longer than I expect, but it all works on re-insertion |
| 22:05.51 | noidd | its either that - or the application doesn't refresh its status after re-insertion |
| 22:06.00 | noidd | i think the latter is more likely |
| 22:06.11 | noidd | lemme test |
| 22:08.45 | WoodsDog | what software do i use to sync with open zaurus? |
| 22:09.29 | james_lan | qtopia-desktop (same as sharp rom) |
| 22:09.37 | WoodsDog | oh sweet |
| 22:09.37 | gaurdian | or intellisync |
| 22:09.45 | WoodsDog | do i need a new driver? |
| 22:10.11 | james_lan | shouldn't |
| 22:11.06 | kergoth | noidd: cardctl eject no longer hangs indefinately.. |
| 22:11.21 | kergoth | it hangs while its killing off udhcpc and friends |
| 22:12.26 | noidd | thats cool |
| 22:12.39 | noidd | in the previous pre-xx i did it did |
| 22:12.57 | noidd | most excellent and gratz for the bug-squish |
| 22:13.36 | kergoth | it was a 4 character, single line fix |
| 22:13.40 | kergoth | once i figured out the problem :) |
| 22:13.48 | noidd | is this a new kernel? |
| 22:13.54 | noidd | the lsmod looks a LOT different |
| 22:14.00 | noidd | or maybe i'm hallucinating |
| 22:14.04 | kergoth | same kernel |
| 22:14.08 | kergoth | but we have new audio drivers |
| 22:14.14 | kergoth | modular, and the buzzer driver is a true dsp device |
| 22:14.18 | kergoth | you can play mp3s :) |
| 22:14.19 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:14.21 | noidd | oooh! |
| 22:14.30 | noidd | how how how !!?!?!?!!?! |
| 22:14.36 | kergoth | sounds like shit, bu tyou can |
| 22:14.37 | kergoth | its dsp1 |
| 22:14.48 | kergoth | move dsp elsewhere and move dsp1 to dsp.. |
| 22:14.55 | kergoth | opie doesnt have a way to change what devcie its using atm |
| 22:15.08 | noidd | ok |
| 22:15.49 | noidd | maj 14, min 19 ? |
| 22:18.15 | noidd | is the stable tree ok to download xmms from? |
| 22:18.21 | noidd | assumng its in there |
| 22:20.13 | WoodsDog | what email programs are recommend by you guys? |
| 22:20.25 | gaurdian | I use tkcmail |
| 22:20.43 | WoodsDog | does that support imap? |
| 22:20.46 | gaurdian | others use qtmail, some opiemail |
| 22:20.52 | Twiun | telnet is cool too |
| 22:20.53 | gaurdian | no imap yet |
| 22:20.54 | treke | WoodsDog: It will, but it doesnt yet |
| 22:22.46 | noidd | what is the name of the mp3 player in the feed again? |
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| 22:27.06 | noidd | oh thank God, aqpkg now actually returns control to the ui |
| 22:27.10 | noidd | hey raster, how goes? |
| 22:27.14 | noidd | re oGMo, ltns |
| 22:27.16 | warmi | see you |
| 22:27.19 | *** part/#zaurus warmi (~a3c01504@dsl092-131-081.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 22:27.21 | oGMo | noidd. |
| 22:30.29 | kergoth | hey ogmo |
| 22:30.39 | kergoth | noidd: hows the image working? |
| 22:31.22 | noidd | its wonderful :-) |
| 22:31.33 | oGMo | kergoth: sup |
| 22:31.33 | noidd | just trying to get open-player to play an mp3 |
| 22:31.36 | oGMo | how's things |
| 22:31.46 | noidd | can you believe that its claiming it doesn't have a codec |
| 22:32.25 | kergoth | opieplayer or op2/ |
| 22:32.26 | oGMo | mephle (my system) is rockin' me |
| 22:32.28 | kergoth | op2 needs libxine1 |
| 22:32.34 | oGMo | noidd: you probably didn't install the codecs then ;) |
| 22:32.37 | kergoth | and shouldnt have installed without it |
| 22:32.49 | kergoth | you are installing opie-mediaplayer2 from the oz feeds, right? |
| 22:32.55 | oGMo | kergoth: mp3... he still needs a couple packages right? |
| 22:32.58 | raster | noidd: mooonin! |
| 22:33.01 | noidd | kergoth: its taken the random element of hard crash on cf network ejection |
| 22:33.08 | raster | noidd: busy busy, |
| 22:33.08 | kergoth | oGMo: not for op2 |
| 22:33.11 | oGMo | kergoth: ah |
| 22:33.12 | raster | kergoth: moanin! |
| 22:33.19 | raster | oGMo: yo oggy |
| 22:33.20 | kergoth | hey raster |
| 22:33.25 | oGMo | raaaaaaasterman |
| 22:33.26 | treke | raster: too much information |
| 22:33.28 | noidd | it installed opie-base and various other things that surprised me |
| 22:33.32 | noidd | seeking codecs |
| 22:33.47 | kergoth | ehh |
| 22:33.48 | raster | treke: hehehehe |
| 22:33.54 | kergoth | noidd: dont enable the stable feed! |
| 22:33.57 | kergoth | noidd: heh |
| 22:33.59 | kergoth | noidd: danger! |
| 22:34.16 | kergoth | ipkg is being a bitch as usual and isnt obeying Provides |
| 22:34.18 | noidd | oops ;-) |
| 22:34.30 | noidd | ok, re-flash and start again |
| 22:34.36 | noidd | and tell me which feed to use :-D |
| 22:34.43 | kergoth | unstable |
| 22:35.19 | kergoth | so opie's on the fly rotation works now |
| 22:35.35 | kergoth | no need to restart it finally |
| 22:35.52 | noidd | I just have one more niggle |
| 22:36.02 | noidd | but its not something you can fix i'm sure |
| 22:36.12 | kergoth | what is it? |
| 22:36.17 | kergoth | oh, you said you're still having card eject probs? |
| 22:36.42 | noidd | nope - card eject problems fixed |
| 22:36.49 | kergoth | oh ok good |
| 22:37.20 | noidd | this is stupid - but on web browsers for example, you use right click or shift click to force a save |
| 22:37.34 | kergoth | no, theres no way to do that in konq right now |
| 22:37.36 | kergoth | stupid thing |
| 22:37.42 | kergoth | copy the url, open konsole, type wget. paste. |
| 22:37.45 | kergoth | ;) |
| 22:37.46 | noidd | I can't download ipks from killefiz for exanoke |
| 22:37.51 | noidd | yeah - it sucks, but it works :-) |
| 22:38.00 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:38.10 | noidd | the code is probably still there for right click |
| 22:38.18 | kergoth | probably, just needs to handle it |
| 22:38.19 | noidd | but the gui has no way of emmitting it |
| 22:38.27 | kergoth | yeah it is |
| 22:38.29 | kergoth | in qt its easy |
| 22:38.38 | kergoth | just set a flag and tap+hold results in a right click event |
| 22:38.38 | noidd | oh, thats surprising |
| 22:38.40 | kergoth | boom boom |
| 22:38.49 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:38.49 | noidd | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.52 | noidd | j jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj |
| 22:38.55 | noidd | or jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj |
| 22:39.11 | kergoth | jjjjjjjjjjj |
| 22:39.15 | kergoth | theres no release |
| 22:39.17 | kergoth | just tap & hold |
| 22:39.25 | noidd | ok, cool |
| 22:39.47 | noidd | is there a description of the packages available in the feed - from the Packages file |
| 22:39.55 | noidd | is there a way of getting that up in the package manager |
| 22:39.57 | noidd | mangler |
| 22:40.18 | noidd | eg, tap and hold :-D |
| 22:40.24 | kergoth | aha, on the fly rotation rocks |
| 22:40.30 | kergoth | noidd: double tap |
| 22:40.30 | treke | kergoth: it works now? |
| 22:40.33 | noidd | on the fly rotation? |
| 22:40.36 | kergoth | treke: yeah, tronical fixed it |
| 22:40.42 | kergoth | noidd: you can rotate opie without restarting opie |
| 22:40.49 | treke | kergoth: sweeness |
| 22:40.50 | noidd | ooooh |
| 22:40.57 | noidd | now that is a scary thought |
| 22:41.01 | kergoth | works, i have an image here that can do it |
| 22:41.17 | kergoth | should update unstable |
| 22:41.19 | treke | it in buldroot? |
| 22:41.49 | kergoth | its fixed in opie cvs |
| 22:41.54 | kergoth | just update |
| 22:42.46 | kergoth | damnit |
| 22:42.52 | kergoth | the top piece of my stylus broke off |
| 22:42.57 | Pendalar | doh |
| 22:43.04 | Pendalar | so what image are we up to now? |
| 22:43.52 | yeiazel | ok, oz rerererereflashed |
| 22:44.32 | noidd | yeiazel: with that equipment i'd suggest you take up a hobby other than flashing |
| 22:44.45 | yeiazel | noidd: if only I could |
| 22:44.51 | Pendalar | ack.. too many images |
| 22:45.00 | Pendalar | should I pick a random one or...? |
| 22:45.01 | treke | ~lart noidd |
| 22:45.09 | Pendalar | is there a method to the madness ;-) |
| 22:45.14 | treke | took me a second to get that one |
| 22:45.33 | Pendalar | maybe ibot should randomly lart people.. |
| 22:45.38 | noidd | i'm just mr double entedre today |
| 22:45.40 | Pendalar | just to keep them in line |
| 22:45.49 | noidd | ask me for a double entendre and i'll give you one |
| 22:46.09 | noidd | ba boom chii |
| 22:46.09 | treke | ~lart Pendalar for good measure |
| 22:46.42 | WoodsDog | ok, I am trying to install some packages, but i keep getting dependencie errors..need opie-base |
| 22:46.51 | WoodsDog | where do i find that beast? |
| 22:46.53 | treke | oh yeah and |
| 22:46.59 | treke | ~lart yeiazel for the hell of it |
| 22:47.02 | kergoth | use -force-depends |
| 22:47.13 | WoodsDog | will that work ok? |
| 22:47.28 | kergoth | yes. |
| 22:47.29 | Pendalar | not me you eldenberry |
| 22:47.35 | WoodsDog | thanks |
| 22:47.48 | zoid | how can i get trolltech's package list to show up in qtopia desktop? |
| 22:48.10 | kergoth | trolltech's package list? |
| 22:50.42 | cbok | OH KG |
| 22:50.44 | Pendalar | is /proc/cpuinfo a sort of humorous hack? |
| 22:50.47 | cbok | why is the sky blue? |
| 22:50.51 | zoid | i dunno, when i click on packages in qtopia desktop it dodesn't list anything and i can't search |
| 22:50.55 | Pendalar | or am I reading most of this wrong |
| 22:51.30 | yeiazel | Pendalar: it's alright here |
| 22:51.44 | Pendalar | kergoth have you ever used phpsysinfo ? |
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| 22:53.31 | bobbyd | hi |
| 22:53.43 | bobbyd | kergoth: how's the c700 support going? ;) |
| 22:54.08 | kergoth | untouched. i'm focused on the next release for collie (5000d/5500) |
| 22:55.00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:55.50 | Pendalar | yes, no? |
| 22:56.05 | kergoth | never yused it |
| 22:56.07 | kergoth | used |
| 22:56.08 | kergoth | damn lag |
| 22:57.23 | Pendalar | hrm |
| 22:57.31 | Pendalar | let me show you one of my boxes with it |
| 22:58.41 | Pendalar | http://nexus.pdai.org/sysinfo/eunl.html |
| 22:58.50 | raceme | I found vim on killefiz but it depends on ncurses4 which i don't find :( |
| 22:59.04 | Pendalar | 80% of the system calls to make that fail on the zaurus |
| 22:59.09 | Pendalar | I'll up the zaurus one in a sec |
| 22:59.17 | Pendalar | routing issues |
| 22:59.34 | sieve | kergoth: are you going to put an updated experimental immage up or do I just need to keep poking at this one? |
| 23:00.06 | zoid | why does it say "External Power Disconnected" when i click on the battery, but it also says Charging (as it should because it's in the cradle with AC plugged in) |
| 23:00.15 | zoid | shouldn't it say External Power Connected? |
| 23:00.19 | kergoth | sieve: i'll throw another one up in a few |
| 23:01.41 | kergoth | /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: No space left on device |
| 23:01.42 | kergoth | doh |
| 23:01.56 | sieve | kergoth: ugh |
| 23:02.02 | sieve | kergoth: suxors |
| 23:03.01 | sieve | kergoth: Damn! what's wrong with you man?! They have 200gig drives at worstbuy |
| 23:03.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:03.18 | kergoth | worse than that |
| 23:03.28 | kergoth | i have 32gb of scsi cheetah ultra160 drives at my parents house waiting for me |
| 23:03.31 | _Psycho | ~lart 12gb drives |
| 23:03.32 | kergoth | for my raid array |
| 23:03.35 | _Psycho | heya |
| 23:03.38 | treke | kergoth: yuhmmm |
| 23:03.51 | kergoth | my scsi card is bad, have to send it in for RMA, but have been a lazy motherfucker and havent sent it in |
| 23:03.56 | kergoth | so my drives collect dust. |
| 23:04.07 | sieve | that sucks |
| 23:04.21 | treke | what kind of card? |
| 23:04.23 | kergoth | yeah, i should go send the fucking thing in |
| 23:04.37 | kergoth | lsi/ami megaraid. 3 channel caching scsi raid controller |
| 23:04.39 | Pendalar | crap bbl |
| 23:04.44 | kergoth | spiffy card, picked it up for $80! |
| 23:04.46 | kergoth | \heh |
| 23:05.09 | kergoth | nice thing about raid |
| 23:05.12 | kergoth | it makes scsi affordable |
| 23:05.15 | kergoth | can buy old ass drives |
| 23:05.18 | kergoth | stuff em into an array |
| 23:05.18 | treke | ide performance is really sucking it up |
| 23:05.19 | kergoth | and it flies |
| 23:05.43 | bobbyd | ok, what's the easiest way to edit .cpp files fulscreen on my c700? would i need ot recompile one of the editors to work in the right rez? |
| 23:05.55 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:06.00 | kergoth | you can tap + hold on any app |
| 23:06.04 | kergoth | turn off Zoom mode |
| 23:06.08 | kergoth | then it runs in 640 |
| 23:06.19 | noidd | kergoth: its definatly that way around... When you type in all the data and click ok.. it writes to the configuration files but doesn't eject and re-insert |
| 23:06.30 | zoid | ok, now wireless questions (sorry for bombarding you guys today) :/ |
| 23:06.31 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:06.39 | noidd | ie, nothing happens |
| 23:06.39 | bobbyd | so, MiniIDE app wont go fullscreen if i do that? |
| 23:06.42 | zoid | my card (Linksys WCF12) is recognized by cardctl ident |
| 23:06.50 | noidd | if I do eject and re=insert everything comes up fine |
| 23:06.50 | zoid | what else do i need to do to configure it? |
| 23:06.55 | kergoth | bobbyd: it'll open normally, in theory. |
| 23:07.00 | kergoth | zoid: what rom? |
| 23:07.01 | bobbyd | wow |
| 23:07.13 | bobbyd | i should maybe read the english docs sometime ;) |
| 23:07.16 | zoid | kergoth: sharp for now |
| 23:07.19 | kergoth | there are english docs? |
| 23:07.25 | zoid | kergoth: i'm just trying to learn a little, then i'm gonna go to OZ |
| 23:07.35 | bobbyd | wow! cool! |
| 23:08.08 | bobbyd | thanks ;) |
| 23:08.12 | kergoth | noidd: this wireless or no? |
| 23:08.38 | _Psycho | zoid you have to edit the /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng.conf |
| 23:08.44 | _Psycho | or something and remove the version line |
| 23:08.48 | _Psycho | at the WCF12 |
| 23:08.53 | _Psycho | Then my card started working |
| 23:08.59 | _Psycho | and it suck battery its sick |
| 23:09.07 | zoid | _Psycho: remove version line? |
| 23:09.10 | _Psycho | at least on my c700 |
| 23:10.25 | *** join/#zaurus mewyn (~mike@dsl081-228-057.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 23:10.42 | bobbyd | mspencer: you there? |
| 23:16.21 | zoid | hmm |
| 23:16.55 | zoid | _Psycho: what do you have to setup on the Z to get the card working? |
| 23:19.58 | _Psycho | well in the network tab, nothing, it was like any ESS ID' and not much my linksys router gave me an ip etc, all worked good once i edited the wlan-ng.conf file |
| 23:21.50 | Pendalar | kergoth did you look at my url I pasted earlier? |
| 23:22.10 | Pendalar | the phpsysinfo |
| 23:22.22 | zoid | bah, mine doesn't :/ |
| 23:22.58 | kergoth | just did now |
| 23:23.01 | Pendalar | k |
| 23:23.01 | kergoth | you have 4 processors? |
| 23:23.04 | Pendalar | http://nexus.pdai.org/index.php |
| 23:23.07 | Pendalar | yes on that box |
| 23:23.12 | Pendalar | that one there is my zaurus |
| 23:23.22 | Pendalar | note most of the calls for info fail |
| 23:23.45 | _Psycho | i wonder if partition magic resize linux paritition good, gonna test that |
| 23:23.51 | kergoth | yeah, i'd say its proc parser cant handle the arm info |
| 23:24.40 | Pendalar | it also uses df -P |
| 23:24.50 | kergoth | woo, ipkg-link is in ipkg-utils cvs finally |
| 23:24.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:24.53 | Pendalar | which isn't a parameter choice for the zaurus version of DF |
| 23:25.03 | kergoth | yeah, busybox df |
| 23:25.14 | Pendalar | so I'm pretty screwed on that one |
| 23:25.28 | Pendalar | that's the only thing that actually gets flagged as an error |
| 23:25.32 | Pendalar | the rest fails quietly |
| 23:26.16 | Pendalar | disk swap fails for some reason |
| 23:26.34 | Pendalar | I believe this is a perl script on this one |
| 23:26.53 | bobbyd | btw, i love the qt windowing system. i tried it out for a small tool and it's *so* easy compared to win32/mfc/.net forms |
| 23:28.00 | ChrisH | Bear with me if this is an FAQ - do I need to by the trollteck SDK to develop apps myself? Or is there a kind of free Qt SDK? I use both Win2k and Debian. |
| 23:28.21 | kergoth | its free if you're devloping GPL applications |
| 23:28.35 | Wintre | http://www.trolltech.com/download/qtopia/index.html |
| 23:28.54 | Pendalar | any ideas on the swap part kergoth? |
| 23:29.04 | Pendalar | if it's treated differently than normal linux boxes |
| 23:29.13 | kergoth | nope, swap is handled normally |
| 23:29.17 | kergoth | afaik |
| 23:29.44 | Pendalar | no load averages but that's reaaaly not that important |
| 23:29.56 | Pendalar | I like this script for system reporting though =-) |
| 23:29.59 | kergoth | I need to spend some quality time merging spiffy bits from the tuxscreen and uclibc buildroots into oz |
| 23:30.14 | Pendalar | you just need time period some days |
| 23:31.23 | kergoth | trueee that |
| 23:31.28 | kergoth | that phpsysinfo is pretty cool |
| 23:31.30 | Pendalar | it recognizes PCMCIA types though (CF in our case) |
| 23:31.38 | Pendalar | but not SD/MMC sadly |
| 23:31.44 | bobbyd | is ther a way to switch tabs using the keyboard? |
| 23:32.39 | ChrisH | Wintre: tnx for the link |
| 23:35.46 | Pendalar | cat /proc/meminfo reports swap wrong |
| 23:35.55 | Pendalar | is why phpsysinfo fails on that one |
| 23:36.32 | zoid | does the OZ rom i downloaded from the OZ website have opie and some apps installed? also, is there a word/excel viewer for OZ? |
| 23:36.42 | Pendalar | any ideas on that one? |
| 23:36.45 | kergoth | use hancomcreator before switching |
| 23:36.56 | kergoth | well, problem is obviously kernelspace |
| 23:36.57 | Pendalar | yes and yes if you port |
| 23:37.02 | kergoth | i'll add it to my ever growing todo |
| 23:37.08 | _Psycho | =p |
| 23:37.17 | _Psycho | i noticed that todo still gettting bigger everyday |
| 23:37.20 | Pendalar | nah just wondering |
| 23:37.26 | zoid | Pendalar: nobodies ported a word or excel viewer yet? |
| 23:37.39 | Pendalar | you port it yourself from the sharp rom |
| 23:37.43 | Pendalar | the handcom apps |
| 23:37.50 | bobbyd | why does the c700 ship with 'netfront' and not opera? |
| 23:37.55 | zoid | how do i do that? |
| 23:38.11 | kergoth | ibot: zsi hancomcreator |
| 23:38.13 | Pendalar | they aren't distributable gpl, so you use hancomcreator found on ZSI to port it |
| 23:38.17 | kergoth | bleh |
| 23:38.33 | Pendalar | ibot: zsi hancom |
| 23:38.39 | Pendalar | ;-) |
| 23:38.39 | kergoth | ah, _ |
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| 23:38.58 | darius | anyone know if a CF firewire card exists .. and if it's supported by the zaurus? :) |
| 23:39.11 | Pendalar | I saw a CF USB controller |
| 23:39.19 | darius | yeah, saw that |
| 23:39.19 | Pendalar | but I don't think so |
| 23:39.29 | Pendalar | haha |
| 23:39.43 | treke | no headphones needed :) |
| 23:39.56 | Pendalar | I wonder how many of these errors are not entirely phpsysinfo's fault |
| 23:40.05 | Pendalar | btw death to XML! *sigh* |
| 23:42.08 | Pendalar | lol @ why won't the zaurus 'startx'??? |
| 23:42.12 | Pendalar | stupid mofo'z |
| 23:47.26 | zoid | ok, now to figure out this damn wireless card |
| 23:47.38 | bobbyd | btw, is there a way to get { and } on the c700 keyboard without using the symbol input thing? |
| 23:51.16 | zoid | ok, i think it's time to flash with OZ and try and get the wireless under that |
| 23:51.59 | Pendalar | zoid try to update hostap off unstable |
| 23:52.11 | Pendalar | oh you aren't using OZ.. |
| 23:52.21 | Pendalar | n/m beg sharp heh |
| 23:52.30 | Pendalar | although I'm sure it's on a forum somewhere |
| 23:53.49 | zoid | Pendalar: i searched, and everywhere just says to edit the wlan-ng.conf (which i did) and then it'll work like a charm |
| 23:54.06 | zoid | well, i did that, it recognizes the card, but it still doesn't work |
| 23:54.34 | Pendalar | try OZ anyways, you might like it |
| 23:54.55 | zoid | what's the big difference between the two anyway? |
| 23:55.05 | treke | everything |
| 23:55.09 | zoid | i've heard OZ is a bit unstable |
| 23:55.42 | Pendalar | heh |
| 23:55.50 | zoid | also, where can i get the sharp rom i'm using now in case i need to flash back to it? |
| 23:56.04 | Pendalar | OZ is a rapidly evolving process, so on occassion yes there will be bugs |
| 23:56.04 | yeiazel | sharp.com |
| 23:56.18 | Pendalar | but they will get fixed long before the sharp rom's get theirs fixed |
| 23:58.55 | bobbyd | night |
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| 23:59.47 | noidd | kergoth: new bug. |
| 23:59.57 | noidd | kergoth: Go to time, NTP settings |
