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| 00:13.56 | badalex | ibot: zfi? |
| 00:13.56 | | somebody said zfi was the zaurus feed index, similar to zsi, but for feeds. It is available at http://zfi.zaurii.com/. It is updated hourly and lists the latest packages from all feeds in its system. |
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| 00:19.00 | natty | how do you configure infobot to reply in public? I couldn't figure it out :/ |
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| 00:24.36 | gabe | heh. neat. i can setup win2k in virtualpc to sync with my zaurus |
| 00:25.57 | djr | what do i do when my zaurus locks up solid? |
| 00:26.09 | gabe | hard reboot |
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| 00:26.21 | gabe | open up the battery cover in the back |
| 00:26.26 | gabe | there's a little button in there |
| 00:27.07 | djr | yeah |
| 00:27.09 | djr | i did that before |
| 00:27.14 | djr | but it loses all its saved data |
| 00:27.18 | gabe | :o |
| 00:27.36 | gabe | i guess i'd just take the battery out then |
| 00:27.44 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 00:27.45 | djr | hehe |
| 00:28.07 | Com[Plex] | no, pulling the battery wont do it. you gotta hard reset by hitting the button./ |
| 00:28.33 | gabe | btw, the new dreamcatcher movie is not as good as the book |
| 00:32.01 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 00:32.02 | Com[Plex] | one |
| 00:32.22 | gabe | at least |
| 00:33.15 | Com[Plex] | hehe. yeah, jsut one. |
| 00:33.25 | Com[Plex] | brb |
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| 00:36.07 | djr | heh |
| 00:36.10 | djr | i just realized something |
| 00:36.15 | djr | if you flip that switch to unlock the battery door |
| 00:36.17 | djr | it turns it off |
| 00:36.22 | djr | so i dont need to hard reset |
| 00:36.22 | djr | ehehe |
| 00:36.37 | gabe | hH |
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| 00:41.00 | gabe | hm. i cannot get an extended service plan for my zaurus since i'm in massachusetts. that sucks. |
| 00:44.32 | ljp | so move |
| 00:44.42 | ljp | :) |
| 00:44.52 | treke|ho1e | gabe: you've got the original warranty though |
| 00:45.07 | ljp | more rum! |
| 00:46.20 | gabe | so, uh, is there a way to install packages via the cradle in win2k? |
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| 00:50.49 | gabe | ah |
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| 00:55.47 | kendrick | guys see the SL-5500 vs. SL-5600 comparison PDF from sharp? |
| 00:55.49 | kendrick | VERY interesting! |
| 00:55.57 | Neo|Work | url? |
| 00:56.08 | Neo|Work | I think I pretty much know what it says but... |
| 00:56.10 | kendrick | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/support/operation.htm |
| 00:56.17 | kendrick | top left link there |
| 00:56.21 | Neo|Work | and franktly, if it wasn't for the memory issues it'd be highly superior. :P |
| 00:56.27 | Neo|Work | well, CPU issue too |
| 00:56.58 | kendrick | stuff runs as a user, and not root |
| 00:57.00 | kendrick | FINALLY :) |
| 00:58.16 | gaurdian | whats so interesting about it...I havent see in but what does it say ? |
| 00:58.31 | Neo|Work | hahaha "Program Memory (work area): |
| 00:58.32 | Neo|Work | approx. 29.1KB" |
| 00:58.35 | Neo|Work | Man that SUCKS!!! :-) |
| 00:59.09 | kendrick | typo ;) |
| 00:59.18 | kendrick | gaurdian: uh... go read it! :) |
| 00:59.25 | kendrick | i'm kind of on page 2 or 3 |
| 01:00.51 | gaurdian | hmm |
| 01:01.07 | gaurdian | well, still cant see upgrading...not worth extra $$ |
| 01:01.46 | Neo|Work | kendrick: basically, nothing THAT interesting |
| 01:02.05 | Neo|Work | they forget to mention of the CPU is 3/4th of the speed too |
| 01:03.03 | gaurdian | I just dont see me selling my 5500 on ebay at a loss and then putting out more for a 5600 |
| 01:03.38 | kendrick | oh god no |
| 01:03.42 | kendrick | SL-5500 is _so_ cheap right now |
| 01:03.45 | Neo|Work | as I said, if it had more memory and not a slower CPU, then it would be worth the upgrade |
| 01:03.52 | kendrick | but it's good to see they're finally going in the right direction for some things |
| 01:04.02 | kendrick | (JFFS2... dropping slow XML crap... no more root priv all the time... etc.) |
| 01:04.29 | gaurdian | Yea....maby I will wait a while till proce drops and then upgrade |
| 01:04.46 | gabe | i dont suppose any of you have used qtopia desktop much? |
| 01:04.51 | kendrick | once, under linux :) |
| 01:04.57 | gabe | heh |
| 01:05.09 | gabe | i am entirely unable to get it to recognize the zaurus in win2k |
| 01:05.53 | gaurdian | gabe works fine here in XP |
| 01:06.18 | gabe | hm |
| 01:06.23 | gabe | i know the os sees it |
| 01:06.39 | gaurdian | I am syncing, ftping to it and sshing with NP |
| 01:06.59 | gabe | when i turn it on in the cradle an icon appears in the task bar tray thing on the right hand side |
| 01:07.13 | gabe | is the qtopia icon supposed to change at all? |
| 01:07.26 | gaurdian | I dont us the qtopia desktop |
| 01:07.30 | gabe | oh |
| 01:07.37 | gaurdian | I sync with Outlook |
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| 01:24.16 | kendrick | only 2 or 3 made it ;) |
| 01:24.27 | kendrick | oh, and then there was that qtopia post ;) |
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| 01:28.41 | kendrick | cya neo |
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| 01:29.49 | gabe | uhm. any ideas why my zaurus would reject requests on port 4242 for ftp? |
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| 01:53.57 | djr | i dont getit... i go to install some feeds and they say they require opie-base... but there is no opie-base feed |
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| 01:57.18 | untorn | before installing oz packages do you have to install opie-base opie-sounds opie-pics libopie and qtembedded first? |
| 02:01.47 | JasonNJ | suhhhhp. |
| 02:03.06 | treke|home | no |
| 02:03.28 | sjohnson | JasonNJ: Hi. Long time , no type. :) |
| 02:03.38 | JasonNJ | hey sj |
| 02:05.29 | sjohnson | JasonNJ: I heard that you didn't work for Sharp any longer, that true? |
| 02:06.11 | sjohnson | I've been buried under my virtual rock. |
| 02:06.29 | sjohnson | So I haven't been getting out much |
| 02:06.46 | JasonNJ | sj: I've been gone over a month, yeah. |
| 02:07.18 | JasonNJ | actually going on 2 months |
| 02:08.09 | sjohnson | wow. I've been buried under my rock longer then I thought. |
| 02:10.11 | untorn | treke|home: so you don't need to install any of those things to be able to install things like opie-player or konqueror? |
| 02:10.13 | natty | http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5295837592.html <-- when the hell is sharp going to release this in the US? I'll whore myself on the street corner for one. |
| 02:10.33 | untorn | damn straight |
| 02:10.46 | treke|home | untorn: you do |
| 02:10.54 | JasonNJ | natty: It wont have that model number, I can assure you. |
| 02:10.57 | treke|home | untorn: but you dont need them for all openzaurus applications |
| 02:11.03 | JasonNJ | it will be called something else, and will have different features. |
| 02:11.23 | natty | As long as it's that pimp |
| 02:11.28 | JasonNJ | -if- they produce it |
| 02:11.36 | untorn | treke|home: which ones would you recommend me install? opiebase and qtembed? |
| 02:11.40 | natty | Isn't it already on sale in japan? |
| 02:11.43 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 02:11.52 | JasonNJ | but I mean for US consumption |
| 02:11.58 | natty | right |
| 02:12.14 | natty | *sigh* makes me want to learn japanese |
| 02:13.17 | natty | why aren't americans geekier? |
| 02:13.18 | JasonNJ | trust me, you dont |
| 02:13.32 | sjohnson | natty: You can get one from the <SEGV error> company, they've got an english patch to the system. around $700 |
| 02:13.34 | treke|home | untorn: none |
| 02:13.39 | treke|home | untorn: install what you want |
| 02:13.51 | JasonNJ | or you can run OE on it in a few weeks |
| 02:13.53 | polin8 | natty: dynamism.com ship an english version of the c700 to the US |
| 02:13.57 | untorn | treke|home: aight thanks |
| 02:13.57 | JasonNJ | when all the drivers are fixed. |
| 02:14.14 | sjohnson | polin8: That's the company. Thanks polin8 |
| 02:14.16 | natty | unf |
| 02:14.23 | polin8 | heh |
| 02:14.24 | polin8 | np |
| 02:14.30 | natty | :) |
| 02:14.47 | sjohnson | IT was just on the tip of my cerebrum. |
| 02:15.18 | natty | only $700... I need a job |
| 02:15.31 | sjohnson | I'm lusting for one, but I just can't justify it right now. |
| 02:15.36 | treke|home | "only" |
| 02:16.07 | natty | Well for portability and battery life and ability to run linux, you can't knock it. The only things that even come close are some of the CE palmtops with linux ports, but those are kludgy |
| 02:16.31 | treke|home | kludgy? |
| 02:16.33 | untorn | can you administer an xp box with your z using vnc or telnet through infrared? |
| 02:16.53 | JasonNJ | infared? |
| 02:16.56 | JasonNJ | hell no |
| 02:17.01 | JasonNJ | it doesnt have the range |
| 02:17.08 | JasonNJ | like 20 cm tops |
| 02:17.11 | polin8 | when you start talking that price/size its time to consider one of the mini sony notebooks (which apparently run linux fine) |
| 02:17.13 | untorn | well....xp latptop... |
| 02:17.17 | natty | Huh actually it says 4 hours, that's not that great |
| 02:17.33 | JasonNJ | the c700 has horrible battery life |
| 02:17.37 | JasonNJ | its only 950ma |
| 02:17.40 | natty | http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/k/kludge.html |
| 02:17.40 | JasonNJ | like the 5500 |
| 02:17.48 | JasonNJ | the 5600 has a 1700ma battery |
| 02:17.49 | natty | weak |
| 02:17.59 | untorn | JasonNJ: if range doesn't matter...would it be difficult to do? |
| 02:18.13 | natty | Really? The 5500 only gets about 4 hours too? |
| 02:18.16 | JasonNJ | well provided you got the proper protocols set up, no |
| 02:18.28 | polin8 | its too bad they changed the memory configuration in the 5600 |
| 02:18.30 | JasonNJ | the 5500 actually does better than 4 |
| 02:18.44 | JasonNJ | because the C700 screen eats up juice big time |
| 02:19.30 | JasonNJ | polin: yeah, when I was still working for sharp during the design process, I pushed for a 64MB RAM and 64MB flash config. |
| 02:19.46 | natty | that would have been better |
| 02:20.07 | JasonNJ | I wasnt too happy when they brought it down to 32mb, I knew there would be serious issues with some apps |
| 02:20.13 | JasonNJ | like anything that runs under a JVM |
| 02:20.33 | natty | yeh java is an amazing memory hog |
| 02:20.48 | natty | and shit, ram is so cheap these days... |
| 02:21.18 | JasonNJ | yeah I am not sure why they did that. |
| 02:21.32 | natty | power consumption maybe? more ram == more power... |
| 02:21.37 | JasonNJ | not really. |
| 02:21.48 | polin8 | yeah |
| 02:22.08 | natty | I wouldn't think it would be a significant drain |
| 02:22.35 | polin8 | anyone followed the instructions on the OZ mailing list to install Opera? |
| 02:23.58 | JasonNJ | hrrm |
| 02:24.17 | JasonNJ | polin8: join #openembedded |
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| 02:50.34 | untorn | what do oz natives use for their media player? opie-player? |
| 02:51.08 | hobbs | opie-plaympeg or op2. Or just mplayer. Or just xmms and mplayer. :) |
| 02:51.34 | gaurdian | tkcplayer |
| 02:51.38 | ljp | cat |
| 02:52.03 | ljp | bah! op1 and op2 |
| 03:01.02 | untorn | hobbs: which one of those do you think takes up the least amount of space.. |
| 03:02.00 | ljp | op1 |
| 03:02.18 | hobbs | yeah maybe. mplayer is probably the smallest with the most formats, though. :) |
| 03:02.28 | ljp | bah! mplayer |
| 03:03.20 | ljp | but seriuosly, how many of those formats are you really going to use on a pda? |
| 03:04.28 | untorn | heh |
| 03:04.48 | untorn | ljp: where can I find op1? |
| 03:05.02 | hobbs | you never know when a handheld pr0n opportunity will arise. |
| 03:05.10 | ljp | for the sharp rom? |
| 03:05.39 | ljp | if I were you, I would try them all and keep the one that you like best |
| 03:05.40 | untorn | oz |
| 03:06.05 | ljp | its called opieplayer I belive, in the feed |
| 03:06.10 | untorn | what is the xmms package name? |
| 03:06.15 | ljp | you'll need the plugins also |
| 03:06.33 | hobbs | untorn: xmms-embedded-qtopia mayhap? |
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| 03:07.11 | untorn | don't see it in http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/ |
| 03:07.22 | hobbs | It's on ZZ I think. |
| 03:07.32 | untorn | k |
| 03:07.59 | hobbs | also (or if not) at http://xmms-embedded.sf.net/feed/ |
| 03:08.00 | polin8 | untorn: a post on the mailing list mentions xmms being left out of the feed by accident |
| 03:10.05 | untorn | mplayer-xmms-embedded-qtopia_0.00005pre1_arm.ipk <--- installs both mplayer and xmms? |
| 03:31.01 | JasonNJ | blargh. |
| 03:38.40 | chouimat | huh? |
| 03:39.18 | chouimat|reading | ok time to get back to moorcock |
| 03:41.27 | polin8 | does media player 2 support shoutcast yet? |
| 03:41.38 | polin8 | (and does it need a seperate pkg)? |
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| 04:17.00 | untorn_Z | my oz package manager says that konqueror is installed but I don't see thw binary...any thoughts |
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| 04:37.33 | Neo|Laptop | gabe: eongames.com. ;-) |
| 04:38.53 | gabe | quake?! |
| 04:38.58 | gabe | hah! |
| 04:39.21 | gabe | holy crap... doom? |
| 04:41.01 | gabe | good grief |
| 04:45.16 | mewyn | we only need duke3d |
| 04:45.20 | mewyn | that would rock |
| 04:45.27 | gabe | hah |
| 04:45.52 | mewyn | hrm... i've got a game for you, guess the pathetic glxgears framerate on my laptop |
| 04:46.06 | gabe | 2fps? |
| 04:46.15 | mewyn | not that pathetic |
| 04:46.26 | mewyn | i don't think you could get that low on a modern computer |
| 04:47.14 | gabe | not without trying |
| 04:48.01 | mewyn | i was getting 60-80 |
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| 04:48.10 | mewyn | that's fucking pathetic |
| 04:48.33 | gabe | i have no concept of an appropriate framerate |
| 04:48.47 | styler | hello, where can I download software for my new Z ? |
| 04:48.58 | styler | using sharp ROM |
| 04:49.00 | gabe | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 04:50.05 | styler | that's for sharp'S ? |
| 04:50.39 | warmi | just about everything listed there will run on your Z |
| 04:50.45 | yessika | hi, i want to ask something |
| 04:51.03 | warmi | most apps are written and tested on the Sharp ROM |
| 04:51.22 | warmi | well, maybe not written but tested for Sharp ROM |
| 04:52.52 | styler | so there are no differences in .ipk's ? |
| 04:53.29 | warmi | well, I am not sure - but I have never encounted a ipk on killefize that would not run on my (Sharp based) Z |
| 04:54.06 | gabe | anyone know which one of these vnc servers to run? |
| 04:54.07 | styler | and the opposite ? |
| 04:54.17 | styler | oz Z ,, Sharp ipk |
| 04:54.54 | yessika | can zaurus pda be used with the battery is taken |
| 04:55.20 | warmi | styler : I don't know |
| 04:55.34 | Neo|Laptop | quake doesn't play way (too slow). doom - well, not enjoyable due to controls |
| 04:58.53 | styler | Question: why should I decide between OZ and Sharp's ? Which one is better ? |
| 04:59.32 | styler | I've heard OZ is far from stable |
| 04:59.49 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 05:01.55 | gabe | who the heck wants to run bochs on a 206mhz arm cpu? |
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| 05:03.40 | andrew___ | Hello everyone. I've got a pressing question about my own Zaurus. |
| 05:03.44 | andrew___ | Could someone help me out? |
| 05:05.00 | mewyn | just ask |
| 05:05.08 | mewyn | if someone can then they will answer |
| 05:05.26 | andrew___ | Well, I just recieved my Zaurus in the mail today, and it is marvelous, but . . . |
| 05:05.47 | andrew___ | I noticed a few broken pixels on the LCD screen, one being bright white and in the middle. |
| 05:05.58 | gabe | shitty |
| 05:06.07 | natty | defective |
| 05:06.20 | mewyn | dead pixels are a fact of life in lcds. you'd have to talk to your reseller on their policy |
| 05:06.22 | andrew___ | Should I contact Sharp? |
| 05:06.48 | andrew___ | Well, for a 240x320 display, there isn't a lot of chance for dead pixels. |
| 05:06.55 | mewyn | no, first your reseller |
| 05:06.56 | natty | I wouldn't put up with that shit, dead pixels are NOT "fact of life", they are a defect |
| 05:07.14 | andrew___ | natty: Damn straight. |
| 05:07.36 | andrew___ | Too bad it's hsn . . . Do you think they'll do anything about it? |
| 05:07.40 | mewyn | natty: if the makers of LCD panels were to guarentee every pixel in working order, the price would jump up 2 to 10 times |
| 05:07.46 | natty | I dunno, I don't think they have anymore |
| 05:08.03 | gaurdian | sure, conmtact the reseller, who will have you fill out a bunch papers, send it ion, they send to sharp, sharp sends back a minbth later...enjoy |
| 05:08.03 | mewyn | yields would drop to ludicrusly low amounts |
| 05:08.38 | mewyn | andrew: you can call sharp tech support, usually the reseller has better policys on bad pixels |
| 05:08.41 | andrew___ | gaurdian: I would mind waiting for a flawless one. |
| 05:08.52 | gaurdian | then by all means do....... |
| 05:08.57 | natty | I just wouldn't take no for an answer. Defective pixels are unacceptable |
| 05:08.59 | gabe | andrew___ : considering that they sold out, i dunno what they could do.. |
| 05:09.15 | mewyn | natty: then youd have to pay |
| 05:09.21 | andrew___ | gabe: Get me another one. |
| 05:09.22 | gabe | does anyone know which of the 6 vnc server icons is the right one to click on? |
| 05:09.38 | gaurdian | and as soon as you grow up and face reality, give me a call..NOTHING IS PERFECT |
| 05:09.50 | styler | give it back and buy another ! |
| 05:09.51 | natty | K whatever |
| 05:09.59 | styler | for andrew___ |
| 05:10.20 | mewyn | natty: do you have any idea on how low the current yields are for LCD panels? |
| 05:10.51 | mewyn | they are lower than 40% |
| 05:10.55 | andrew___ | styler: They're OOS. |
| 05:11.01 | natty | thats baloney |
| 05:11.20 | natty | http://www.sid.org/news/archive/newproducts0211.html <-- sez 90% |
| 05:11.30 | styler | andrew___ what's that ? |
| 05:11.33 | andrew___ | mewyn: Do you know that the allowable defect rate for a 1024x768 15" LCD is no more than 1 pixel? |
| 05:11.47 | andrew___ | styler: They're out of stock. |
| 05:11.55 | natty | 240x320 is way too small to accept even one dead pixel IMNSHO |
| 05:12.03 | andrew___ | natty: Damn straight. |
| 05:12.20 | gaurdian | your NSHO isnt worth a POS |
| 05:12.25 | andrew___ | I also have around 3. |
| 05:12.26 | gaurdian | have a good day, next |
| 05:12.31 | styler | buy it in a foreign country O:) |
| 05:12.32 | gabe | heh |
| 05:12.46 | natty | 40% was like 5 years ago |
| 05:13.11 | mewyn | natty: that's only one specific panel. 40% is industry average |
| 05:13.12 | ljp | well, if they are black, they are dead, if they are white, they are ful on, and they might be more apt to do something abput full on pixels than dead ones |
| 05:13.54 | mewyn | dead pixels are a fact of life in LCDs, you don't like it, don't buy an LCD panel. |
| 05:13.58 | natty | If they can make 20" LCD monitors with 90% production yield they can make fucking 320x240 displays with > 90% yield |
| 05:14.06 | andrew___ | ljp: They're all bright white. |
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| 05:14.23 | andrew___ | Are you all anti-consumeristic? |
| 05:14.26 | ljp | is it fuzz? |
| 05:14.29 | andrew___ | You're all consumers! |
| 05:14.32 | mewyn | natty: actually the larger panels with lower DPI ratings are easier to manufacture |
| 05:14.38 | andrew___ | Fight for your rights for quality products! |
| 05:14.47 | gaurdian | heh..I own a business dude, I am not anti-consumer |
| 05:15.00 | mewyn | andrew: i know both sides, and i'm in a happy medium |
| 05:15.15 | ljp | at one time JasonNJ said they are more likely to fix full on pixels |
| 05:15.41 | ljp | but wont for a few dead ones |
| 05:15.47 | natty | well my axim doesn't have a single dead pixel. the dozen or so other ppl's PDAs that I've used haven't had a single dead pixel. |
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| 05:16.11 | ljp | I have two 5000d's and no pixel schmixel |
| 05:16.29 | mewyn | i've got one fickel pixel on my Z. and i don't give a damn about it. |
| 05:16.48 | gaurdian | look, send the damm thing in and bitch and moan till you get it fixed....... |
| 05:16.50 | andrew___ | mewyn: Then keep on bitching about it. |
| 05:17.16 | ljp | do you ride a motorcyckle with your fickel pixel? |
| 05:17.45 | mewyn | yes. yes i do. |
| 05:17.47 | mewyn | :P |
| 05:17.51 | ljp | :) |
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| 05:18.27 | jcsitte | . |
| 05:19.01 | andrew___ | I'd be fine with just ONE pixel, but I've got a trail of 3-4. |
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| 05:19.15 | jcsitte | really? |
| 05:19.19 | andrew___ | YES |
| 05:19.20 | jcsitte | thats not good |
| 05:19.37 | mewyn | you didn't make it sound like you had multiple earlier |
| 05:19.39 | gaurdian | qyit crying ok ? we are not your mommy and we cant fix your booboo, send it in already |
| 05:19.42 | jcsitte | is it just yours? |
| 05:19.56 | mewyn | but, as i said, your first place to go to is the reseller |
| 05:20.18 | mewyn | if they are a no go, you try to get it repaired at the mfgr |
| 05:20.21 | andrew___ | <andrew___>: I noticed a few broken pixels on the LCD screen, one being bright white and in the middle. |
| 05:20.45 | jcsitte | so send it in |
| 05:20.47 | jcsitte | get it fixed |
| 05:20.51 | jcsitte | whats the big deal |
| 05:20.55 | ljp | still that sux rox |
| 05:20.56 | mewyn | exactly |
| 05:21.06 | andrew___ | Well, I didn't know if they'd accept it. |
| 05:21.11 | jcsitte | it does suck |
| 05:21.18 | natty | they'll accept anything if you bitch about it enough |
| 05:21.20 | jcsitte | but none of us can do anything about it |
| 05:21.25 | jcsitte | get ti fixed :P |
| 05:21.28 | ljp | with that many they surely will |
| 05:21.29 | andrew___ | 15" LCDs require 8+ dead pixels for a send-in. |
| 05:21.32 | natty | squeaky wheel gets the greasin |
| 05:21.56 | natty | you could just lie and say it's DOA |
| 05:21.56 | jcsitte | ? but yours are in a row |
| 05:22.03 | jcsitte | I think that is an exception |
| 05:22.04 | jcsitte | :p |
| 05:22.14 | jcsitte | good point natty |
| 05:22.15 | jcsitte | heh |
| 05:22.15 | mewyn | andrew: it all depends on the company |
| 05:22.17 | ljp | and full on, not dead |
| 05:22.18 | andrew___ | I DON'T WANT TO SEND IT BACK TO THE RESELLER BECAUSE THEY'RE OUT OF STOCK! |
| 05:22.29 | andrew___ | Besides, they're the one that had that massive deal that EVERYONE jumped on. |
| 05:22.39 | jcsitte | how much was it |
| 05:22.44 | andrew___ | $180 |
| 05:22.45 | gaurdian | andrew___ |
| 05:22.46 | mewyn | andrew: just FUCKING CALL THEM. |
| 05:22.55 | jcsitte | call |
| 05:22.56 | chouimat|Zzzz | CAPS LOCK |
| 05:22.57 | mewyn | they will most likely get you started |
| 05:23.12 | gaurdian | Do any of us have SHARP EMPLOYEE in front of our name ? |
| 05:23.13 | jcsitte | say you cant read stuff or something |
| 05:23.19 | natty | VOTE DONGS |
| 05:23.34 | SHARP_EMPLOYEE_A | Bah |
| 05:23.45 | jcsitte | heh |
| 05:23.52 | chouimat|Zzzz | ~lart Andrew |
| 05:24.05 | jcsitte | lol |
| 05:24.06 | ljp | hint. icefox works for sharp |
| 05:24.10 | gaurdian | here 1-800-328-7448 thats the number to call for RMA's |
| 05:24.37 | Andrew | gaurdian: The question is would they accept it? |
| 05:24.47 | ljp | probably |
| 05:24.56 | gaurdian | call and ask......I am not a FSCKING PSYCHIC |
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| 05:25.10 | Andrew | ljp: I don't want to dick around with a probably and having to wait two months just to get a 'no.' |
| 05:25.13 | mewyn | Andrew: the biggest reason i tell you to try going through the reseller, they can get you a replament quicker than getting it repaired if they kept a few in stock for this case |
| 05:25.30 | Andrew | mewyn: Thanks for the insight. |
| 05:26.18 | mewyn | now, if they went and depleted their whole stock, then you have to get it repaired |
| 05:26.29 | Andrew | hah! Look what I just saw. |
| 05:26.30 | Andrew | http://slashdot.org/articles/03/03/21/1634229.shtml?tid=137 |
| 05:26.37 | mewyn | and it has a manufactuer's warranty, so they have to repair it, by law. |
| 05:26.49 | Andrew | mewyn: Thank you. |
| 05:27.37 | mewyn | but when you send it back to the mfgr, they usually will repair the defective component. with the reseller, they replace the whole unit |
| 05:28.15 | Andrew | mewyn: I'm probably looking for a replacement unit then, so I'll contact the reseller first. Hopefully they aren't completely bogged down. |
| 05:28.38 | mewyn | and that article is only on revenue. crts are still better in performance than lcds |
| 05:28.59 | natty | LCD backlights have a limited lifetime |
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| 05:29.35 | mewyn | honestly, i don't think a full out replacement is possible. if the reseller doesnt' have any left, which they may not, you have no choice but to get a repair |
| 05:29.37 | natty | well, the cold cathode and electroluminescant types do. If it uses LEDs then it's good pretty much forever |
| 05:30.25 | Andrew | mewyn: I was just interested in all the posts about dead pixels. ;) |
| 05:30.34 | mewyn | still, lcds are slower in response, they have poor color accuracy, and lower resolution. |
| 05:31.07 | jcsitte | i like lcds |
| 05:31.10 | jcsitte | IMHO |
| 05:31.12 | Andrew | mewyn: Not to mention that CRTs cost a hell of a lot less. |
| 05:31.20 | Andrew | jcsitte: I love LCDs for everything but games. |
| 05:31.29 | mewyn | i don't give a crap what the average /. reader thinks. most of the posters are 14 year old piply faced dorks that live in their parent's basement |
| 05:31.30 | natty | LCDs are great but still too rich for my blood |
| 05:31.47 | natty | Also the wicked high POV sucks for gaming |
| 05:31.49 | mewyn | i personally can't use LCDs in anything that i'm not forced to. |
| 05:31.57 | Andrew | mewyn: That need the crap beaten out of them? ;) { a la Jay and Silent Bob style?} |
| 05:32.29 | jcsitte | lol |
| 05:32.47 | Andrew | I thought the Java 2D/3D stuff on the Zaurus was pretty impressive. |
| 05:32.48 | mewyn | i need to get nwn working tonight |
| 05:32.58 | natty | OLEDs will replace LCDs within a few years anyway |
| 05:33.14 | Andrew | natty: I thought they were WORSE than LCDs in several respects. |
| 05:34.27 | natty | Sure right NOW they have some issues, but wait a few years |
| 05:34.50 | natty | I remember using B&W double-scan LCD displays, and look how far we've come |
| 05:35.18 | mewyn | i hope they don't have nearly the power requriements that regular LEDs have |
| 05:35.34 | Andrew | natty: Well, guess what? CRTs have been around for a long time and look how they've matured. The only things they lack are a slim size and zero distortion. |
| 05:36.00 | mewyn | um, flat screen CRTs have no visible distortion |
| 05:36.11 | jcsitte | ok |
| 05:36.16 | jcsitte | whatever you say |
| 05:36.34 | Andrew | mewyn: Yeah, but with LCDs you have absolutely no distortion whatsoever. |
| 05:36.50 | mewyn | yah, but you have the other problems of lcds |
| 05:36.55 | mewyn | give me a crt |
| 05:36.58 | mewyn | fuck lcd |
| 05:37.12 | Andrew | mewyn: Not to mention the power and heat that CRTs require and output. |
| 05:37.29 | Andrew | Well, I DID have a lovely 17" Hitachi LCD that had only one pixel dead on it. |
| 05:37.42 | Andrew | I couldn't even see it unless I have a pure black screen. |
| 05:37.55 | mewyn | lcds also have very poor blacks |
| 05:38.15 | mewyn | light leaks through the blacks on lcds |
| 05:38.31 | Andrew | Yes they do, as in FPS I had problems with dark areas being blured all together with very small color differentiation. |
| 05:39.21 | Andrew | Face it, CRTs are cheaper and better overall. |
| 05:39.24 | mewyn | that is prolly both the POV problems and the light leakage |
| 05:39.37 | mewyn | i'm planning on getting a 22" crt |
| 05:40.06 | Andrew | That's unclear whether getting a CRT or an LCD is better at that price point. |
| 05:40.12 | mewyn | CRT |
| 05:40.15 | Andrew | For desktop use, I absolutely love an LCD. |
| 05:40.21 | mewyn | 650 vs 2000 |
| 05:40.37 | mewyn | i don't |
| 05:40.44 | mewyn | i prefer CRT |
| 05:40.44 | Andrew | No, I was talking about a 17" LCD, since they're quality. |
| 05:41.02 | Andrew | mewyn: Well, you've certainly made your point through repetition. ;) |
| 05:41.15 | mewyn | crt also is easier on my eyes. |
| 05:41.22 | mewyn | as long as it's a flat screen |
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| 05:41.53 | Andrew | mewyn: When I first used an LCD, I thought it was blinding, but then I realized how much better it was on your eyes through constant use. |
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| 05:42.12 | jcsitte | this is about as pointless as saying what linux distro is best |
| 05:42.15 | Andrew | mewyn: When I changed back to a 19" CRT, my eyes felt like they were burning for a while. |
| 05:42.18 | gabe | ah, so vnc server needs zlib, duh |
| 05:42.20 | jcsitte | its a personal decision |
| 05:42.22 | jcsitte | :p |
| 05:42.26 | Andrew | jcsitte: Gentoo, definitely. ;) |
| 05:42.34 | jcsitte | blah |
| 05:42.40 | mewyn | i use laptops and desktops, and prefer my monitors |
| 05:43.46 | styler | please recommend Sharp or OZ ? |
| 05:43.55 | styler | I want to use my Z seriously for work |
| 05:44.02 | mewyn | try both |
| 05:44.05 | mewyn | see what you like |
| 05:44.06 | Andrew | Yeah, I'm also interested in Sharp OS vs. OZ.' |
| 05:44.35 | styler | oz seems cool, but it's terribly unstable |
| 05:44.46 | styler | every upgrade fucks everything |
| 05:44.48 | mewyn | latest rc is fairly solid |
| 05:44.55 | styler | I'm tired |
| 05:45.01 | mewyn | you backup before you upgrade |
| 05:45.03 | mewyn | always |
| 05:45.15 | styler | I'm downloading now |
| 05:45.46 | styler | but I'm also downloading SHarp's... |
| 05:46.29 | styler | btw upgrading by previous rc2 to rc3 averything got fucked and I lost everything |
| 05:47.48 | styler | i'm tired of losing my data |
| 05:48.07 | styler | I make backups, but it's never uptodate |
| 05:48.49 | natty | I backup my pocketpc every time I sync it |
| 05:49.17 | mewyn | styler: you are best off doing a reflash for upgrades |
| 05:49.26 | mewyn | and that's a fully destructive process |
| 05:49.35 | gabe | am i correct in understanding that the 5500 uses 32MB of ram for storage and 32MB for memory? |
| 05:49.52 | mewyn | gabe: by default |
| 05:49.52 | gabe | and the 16MB flash is just to store the rom? |
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| 05:50.14 | gabe | so, is it basically just a ramdisk? |
| 05:50.15 | mewyn | yes |
| 05:50.29 | mewyn | you can load other kernels in to change the ratio |
| 05:50.31 | gabe | (the storage part that is) |
| 05:50.44 | gabe | hehe |
| 05:50.51 | gabe | this thing is so cool :) |
| 05:50.59 | mewyn | with oz you can even go no ramdisk |
| 05:51.16 | gabe | and just use a CF card for storage? |
| 05:51.48 | mewyn | better to use SD, because then you can use the CF for perhipal expansion |
| 05:52.06 | gabe | even though it's slow |
| 05:52.21 | mewyn | it's not that bad |
| 05:52.23 | gabe | i plan on using many CF peripherals as my paychecks come in |
| 05:52.54 | gabe | next thing on my list is an ambicom WL1100C-CF |
| 05:52.55 | natty | memoryx.com has a 128mb CF card for $30 |
| 05:52.58 | mewyn | if you use CF for all your storage, if you take the CF card out, all those apps are useless |
| 05:53.13 | gabe | my 128MB CF is arriving this week :) |
| 05:53.20 | mewyn | anyway. i'm out of here |
| 05:53.25 | gabe | eventually i'd like to get an IBM microdrive |
| 05:53.33 | gabe | but they're not exactly cheap |
| 05:54.25 | gabe | *yawn* |
| 05:59.54 | gaurdian | microdrives suck to much power |
| 06:00.15 | gaurdian | I use a 256 SD card always in the Z and a 128 CF card |
| 06:00.24 | gaurdian | also have a wifi and lan card |
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| 06:08.04 | monsterx | hi |
| 06:09.20 | monsterx | any one have probs joining #bash ? |
| 06:16.12 | Neo|Laptop | anyone know of pictures of 5500/5600 and C700 to compare size? |
| 06:17.09 | monsterx | neo go look on ebay maybe |
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| 06:27.43 | JasonNJ | neo: got any snails cheats? |
| 06:27.56 | JasonNJ | those freakin bad guys dont play fair, they have better weapons |
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| 07:37.28 | pole | im running OZ from about a month ago |
| 07:37.37 | pole | and now my CF wlan card doesnt work |
| 07:37.39 | pole | it was working fine |
| 07:38.05 | pole | now if i plug it in, the card applet says "unknown card" |
| 07:38.05 | yeiaway | please be more precise |
| 07:38.09 | yeiaway | oh |
| 07:38.18 | yeiaway | did you upgrade anything ? |
| 07:38.22 | pole | it doesnt load the right modules or anything |
| 07:38.35 | pole | yeah, i upgraded about a month ago |
| 07:39.01 | pole | what modules are supposed to be loaded for the hostap module? |
| 07:39.03 | yeiaway | but just before the problem occurs ? |
| 07:39.29 | pole | it just doesnt load the modules or anything |
| 07:39.46 | pole | i plug the card in and the card applet says "unknown card" |
| 07:39.49 | yeiaway | I have hostap and hostap_cs in use |
| 07:39.50 | pole | and no modules are loaded |
| 07:40.04 | pole | if i manually modprobe those modules, still nothing happens |
| 07:40.24 | yeiaway | it said that to me too... that's because the card is not in the supported cards list |
| 07:40.31 | pole | um |
| 07:40.36 | yeiaway | /etc/pcmcia/something... |
| 07:40.38 | pole | it was working just before the last upgrade |
| 07:40.55 | pole | the last upgrade i did a month ago |
| 07:41.25 | yeiaway | and it doesn't work since then ? |
| 07:41.32 | pole | what modules are supposed to be loaded for pcmcia support? |
| 07:41.57 | yeiaway | that's not the problem; it's not because of the modules |
| 07:42.32 | yeiaway | would you *please* answer my question ? |
| 07:43.15 | pole | yeah, it doesnt work since the last upgrade a month ago (for the 3rd time) |
| 07:43.35 | yeiaway | you didn't explicitely say that |
| 07:43.54 | yeiaway | read what you have written, and tell me where is that explicit... |
| 07:44.01 | yeiaway | anyway, I had the same problem |
| 07:44.03 | yeiaway | lucky you :p |
| 07:44.17 | pole | heh |
| 07:44.22 | pole | was it /etc/pcmcia/config? |
| 07:44.55 | yeiaway | what's your card ? |
| 07:45.10 | pole | wcf11 |
| 07:45.45 | yeiaway | yes, /etc/pcmcia/config |
| 07:45.50 | yeiaway | hehe, I've got a wcf12 :) |
| 07:46.51 | pole | lucky you |
| 07:46.53 | yeiaway | is it possible for you to reflash the Z with the 3.1rc3.1 image ? (no important data, or data backed up...) |
| 07:46.55 | pole | the damn wcf11 is so big |
| 07:47.02 | pole | nope |
| 07:47.07 | pole | i need everything i have |
| 07:47.13 | yeiaway | ok |
| 07:48.08 | yeiaway | I think you can mount the image |
| 07:48.12 | yeiaway | on your desktop computer |
| 07:48.19 | yeiaway | copy the "config" file |
| 07:48.23 | yeiaway | and put it on the Z |
| 07:48.39 | yeiaway | it would be easier than typing the needed entries :) |
| 07:49.21 | pole | i would just have to type one entry |
| 07:49.29 | yeiaway | not sure |
| 07:49.35 | pole | can you view yours and tell me what it has for Linksys Wireless cards? |
| 07:49.40 | yeiaway | I see different entries about linksys cards |
| 07:49.44 | yeiaway | sure |
| 07:50.02 | pole | i dont see any linksys cards in the wireless seciton |
| 07:50.16 | yeiaway | that's why yours is not detected :) |
| 07:50.33 | pole | right |
| 07:50.36 | pole | i should have guessed |
| 07:50.47 | pole | and no cards use hostap either |
| 07:51.21 | pole | actaully i can just make one line up |
| 07:51.28 | pole | using the cardctl info 0 data |
| 07:52.26 | yeiaway | I don't find any fucking wcf entry :) |
| 07:52.41 | yeiaway | heh ok |
| 07:52.42 | pole | heh |
| 07:52.47 | yeiaway | it's in hostap_cs.conf |
| 07:52.48 | pole | what module does it use exactly? |
| 07:53.07 | pole | no... it's in /etc/pcmcia/config |
| 07:53.34 | yeiaway | do you mean that I'm a liar |
| 07:53.48 | yeiaway | that I'm not capable of reading |
| 07:54.07 | yeiaway | or that I've got a unique extraordinary oz3.1 version, with it in hostap_cs.conf ? |
| 07:54.32 | pole | um |
| 07:54.44 | pole | i'm talking about /etc/pcmcia/config |
| 07:54.48 | pole | not hostap_cs.conf |
| 07:54.58 | yeiazel | there's nothing about hostap in config |
| 07:55.42 | yeiazel | I've just said 4 minutes before that it's in hostap_cs.conf |
| 07:56.02 | yeiazel | then close config, and open hostap_cs.conf |
| 07:56.18 | yeiazel | and wait till I type what I find about wcf11 in this file |
| 07:56.55 | pole | dang, i cant find the hostap_cs module at all |
| 07:57.12 | yeiazel | ? |
| 07:57.23 | yeiazel | you don't have hostap_cs.conf ? |
| 07:57.36 | yeiazel | and no hostap_cs module !? |
| 07:57.55 | yeiazel | mh however, you could perhaps put these lines in config |
| 07:57.57 | pole | yeah, i cant find one |
| 07:58.32 | yeiazel | try what you want, I'll give you the right lines; on my Z, it's in hostap_cs.conf |
| 07:58.39 | yeiazel | card "Linksys WCF 11 11 Mbps 802.11b WLAN Card" |
| 07:58.49 | yeiazel | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.57 | yeiazel | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:59.08 | yeiazel | and, at the top of this file : |
| 07:59.13 | yeiazel | device "hostap_cs" |
| 07:59.22 | yeiazel | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:59.41 | yeiazel | it seems to be everything you need |
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| 08:06.04 | pole | is tehre a space between 11 and Mbps? |
| 08:07.38 | yeiazel | do as you want |
| 08:07.48 | yeiazel | it's just a name |
| 08:07.58 | yeiazel | I think there is one, yes |
| 08:08.16 | pole | still says it's unknown card |
| 08:09.23 | pole | i'll just try again tomorrow |
| 08:09.27 | pole | night and thanks for the help |
| 08:10.29 | yeiazel | 'night |
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| 08:15.56 | nofpu | hm, anyone know how to overcome the 2GB ext2 filesize limit? (not on a Z obviously ;)) |
| 08:17.33 | oGMo | there isn't one anymore |
| 08:17.38 | oGMo | there hasn't been one for ages |
| 08:17.51 | nofpu | oh - I thought I just hit it |
| 08:18.02 | oGMo | you may need to compile with a certain #define to get the largefile stuff though |
| 08:18.55 | nofpu | I remember resading somewhere that 64 bit stuff was in glibc but that utilities didnt necessarily use the calls or something |
| 08:19.11 | xml | strace the app and see if you see stuff like this |
| 08:19.12 | xml | open("/etc/passwd", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3 |
| 08:20.27 | nofpu | thanks |
| 08:28.24 | oGMo | nofpu: most stuff should be compiled with it now |
| 08:28.27 | oGMo | nofpu: it's all transparent |
| 08:28.54 | nofpu | oGMo: in 2.4.x kernels? |
| 08:28.56 | oGMo | there's no largefile api you need to use explicitly anymore, but you may need to define something |
| 08:29.19 | oGMo | nofpu: the kernel shouldn't be relavent, afaik, 2.2 works the same i believe... it all depends on glibc |
| 08:29.32 | oGMo | well, old kernels obviously might have issues ;) but ;) |
| 08:30.16 | nofpu | ok cool :) |
| 08:30.38 | nofpu | and tests some more |
| 08:45.05 | nofpu | hmm http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/709/ |
| 08:46.36 | nofpu | xml: I cant do that strace today...the box is at work, but I certainly have O_LARGEFILE on this machine |
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| 09:34.43 | daniel__ | hi to all |
| 09:36.01 | daniel__ | i have a question. are thiere other pda's with linux os? |
| 09:36.24 | daniel__ | i know about yopy |
| 09:36.44 | daniel__ | anyone here? |
| 09:37.14 | oGMo | you can always put it on an ipaq or whatever |
| 09:37.27 | oGMo | but besides the (dead?) yopy, i don't think so |
| 09:38.17 | daniel__ | yopy uses xserver as i know |
| 09:38.40 | daniel__ | why is thiere no x-server on the zaurus os? |
| 09:39.32 | oGMo | there is |
| 09:39.40 | oGMo | just qtopia is better suited |
| 09:39.46 | daniel__ | okay |
| 09:40.07 | daniel__ | my english is not so good |
| 09:40.12 | oGMo | ah |
| 09:40.19 | oGMo | not a problem |
| 09:40.35 | daniel__ | what about the cover of the zaurus . is it plastic or metal? |
| 09:41.02 | oGMo | plastic |
| 09:41.33 | oGMo | titanium would be nice, but the cost might be prohibitive, and... it would weigh a ton ;) |
| 09:41.42 | daniel__ | :) |
| 09:41.47 | daniel__ | aluminium |
| 09:42.25 | XavierXeon | i have titanium spectacles, it wasnt that expensive |
| 09:42.42 | XavierXeon | so it would be possible |
| 09:42.49 | daniel__ | yes |
| 09:43.24 | daniel__ | okay, thanks. thats all i wanted to know for now |
| 09:44.28 | daniel__ | how do i spell okay "okay or ok"? |
| 09:44.53 | daniel__ | never mind |
| 09:44.56 | daniel__ | cu all |
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| 09:47.12 | ShiShi | hello |
| 09:47.34 | ShiShi | someone knows where i can find some plugins for opie media player 2 ? |
| 09:47.50 | ShiShi | i am looking for 'demux plugin' |
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| 11:22.40 | floyd | This is my first time using irc so apologies for any gaffs i make |
| 11:23.18 | floyd | Is it common for the zaurus to hang when you attempt a reboot |
| 11:23.28 | floyd | mine does it all the time |
| 11:23.50 | floyd | Have to do a hard reset |
| 11:32.21 | mark | morning Twiun |
| 11:32.26 | Twiun | floyd: are you still using the original Sharp ROM? |
| 11:32.28 | Twiun | mark: hey |
| 11:32.39 | floyd | yep |
| 11:32.50 | Twiun | floyd: what version? |
| 11:33.08 | floyd | hold on..... |
| 11:34.01 | floyd | twiun: 2.39 |
| 11:34.22 | Twiun | floyd: hrm. I *think* that's the latest |
| 11:34.40 | Twiun | floyd: haven't heard of a reboot-related bug in it though |
| 11:35.16 | floyd | gets really hot when it hangs aswell |
| 11:36.04 | floyd | twium: wondering whether I shold just return it since only had it a week |
| 11:37.33 | Twiun | floyd: getting hot sounds like something weird's happening with the battery... not using a microdrive in it are you? |
| 11:38.55 | floyd | twium: nope - problem usually occurs when adding new software, never the same thing twice though |
| 11:39.27 | Twiun | Twiun: how much hassle would returning it be? |
| 11:40.13 | floyd | twiun: pretty starightforward |
| 11:41.00 | Twiun | floyd: probably easier than trying to guess what's wrong with it :) |
| 11:42.00 | floyd | twiun: think your right - just wanted to check it wasn't a common problem, would be a shame to go through the hassle of returning only for the next one to be the same |
| 11:42.31 | floyd | twiun: thanks the help |
| 11:43.29 | Twiun | floyd: no problem |
| 11:43.53 | Twiun | floyd: I hope the next one *doesn't* have the same problem :) |
| 12:11.18 | nofpu | floyd: I think suspending before rebooting is supposed to alleviate that reboot hang...some sort of apm related think iirc |
| 12:17.44 | floyd | nofpu: thanks, i'll give it a try and see if it helps |
| 12:23.16 | nofpu | np |
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| 13:25.56 | CeRIaL|away | hi... how can i make a sharp-rom update on my z if ive installed oz? |
| 13:26.26 | CeRIaL|away | ive downloaded the file ospack form sharp site and now? |
| 13:36.37 | CeRIaL|away | found a manual... |
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| 14:27.37 | mithro | hello! |
| 14:27.56 | mithro | i need some help connecting my zaurus pda to linux |
| 14:28.09 | mithro | anyone got the time to help me out with it? |
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| 14:56.12 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:58.07 | Twiun | hey |
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| 15:23.12 | mithro | woot! figure it out |
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| 15:58.15 | TrekCycling | hey, does anyone know if you can actually buy a 5600 in person yet? Amazon says they're shipping. |
| 16:04.08 | TrekCycling | anyone around? |
| 16:05.30 | polin8 | hey |
| 16:06.14 | TrekCycling | hey |
| 16:06.46 | polin8 | I was under the impression the 5600 are shipping, I don't know any retailers carrying them |
| 16:06.53 | TrekCycling | ah |
| 16:07.03 | TrekCycling | Amazon is selling them now, that's why I was curious |
| 16:07.16 | polin8 | though, the sharp site isn't selling them |
| 16:07.35 | polin8 | you read the whitepaper posted on /. |
| 16:07.38 | polin8 | ? |
| 16:07.53 | TrekCycling | yeah, I saw the whitepaper |
| 16:08.53 | polin8 | i didn't actually read it |
| 16:08.56 | polin8 | kinda curous |
| 16:09.18 | TrekCycling | oh, it was mostly a technical comparison |
| 16:09.32 | TrekCycling | I'm mostly into a software comparison personally. Want a new rom mostly |
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| 16:10.55 | polin8 | I'd be a little worried about the reduced RAM |
| 16:11.22 | TrekCycling | I wouldn't be, really. Unless you used more than 32 previously |
| 16:11.30 | polin8 | using 64 now |
| 16:11.40 | TrekCycling | it actually works out to the same ram, but more storage |
| 16:11.44 | polin8 | and it seems to run around 40 alot |
| 16:11.53 | TrekCycling | really? what do you run? |
| 16:12.18 | polin8 | using the OZ ROM with an SD for storage, all the RAM for memory |
| 16:12.21 | TrekCycling | I never run even close to the full 32 |
| 16:12.27 | TrekCycling | but what apps, I mean? |
| 16:12.32 | TrekCycling | I never have ram problems |
| 16:12.58 | polin8 | konsole,honestly I've probably only checked when I expected it to be under load |
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| 16:13.18 | bobbyd | hi |
| 16:13.20 | polin8 | err, drop the konsole, off that sentence |
| 16:13.28 | polin8 | hey bobbyd |
| 16:13.41 | bobbyd | is it possible to transfer files between two modems under windows? |
| 16:13.53 | polin8 | bobbyd: yes |
| 16:13.56 | bobbyd | i know it's a vauge question but i dont know how to describe it... |
| 16:14.01 | bobbyd | polin8: how? |
| 16:14.04 | polin8 | ;) |
| 16:14.15 | polin8 | thats an excercise for you |
| 16:14.18 | bobbyd | oh |
| 16:14.36 | polin8 | I don't remember (not having down it since the early 90s |
| 16:14.38 | polin8 | ) |
| 16:15.09 | polin8 | are you talking about 2 pcs? |
| 16:15.12 | mithro | anyone know how to "rip" a rom from the Zaurus to backup all my changes? |
| 16:15.16 | polin8 | or a zaurus and a pc? |
| 16:15.43 | polin8 | mithro: could you dd / |
| 16:15.44 | polin8 | ? |
| 16:15.48 | TrekCycling | you shouldn't need to rip a rom, I would think. Backup/restor works well under the sharp ROM. |
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| 16:19.39 | pole | ok, my last ipkg update was about a month ago |
| 16:19.44 | TrekCycling | man, connecting the Z to my desktop is a pain |
| 16:19.51 | TrekCycling | I can't get it to work automagically |
| 16:19.52 | pole | after that i cant get my wcf11 card working |
| 16:20.11 | pole | the card applet just says "unsported card" |
| 16:20.17 | pole | and no modules are inserted or anything |
| 16:21.11 | pole | what's going on... anyone? |
| 16:22.03 | TrekCycling | no idea |
| 16:22.05 | TrekCycling | google it |
| 16:22.26 | pole | i cant even find hostap_cs in /lib/modules |
| 16:23.41 | mithro | polin8: you can't dd a mount point |
| 16:23.57 | polin8 | mithro: heh, just a guess |
| 16:24.42 | mithro | polin8: i can't seem to find a device which give you everything... |
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| 16:25.28 | pole | doih |
| 16:25.32 | pole | no OZ mailing list? |
| 16:25.40 | polin8 | pole: yeah |
| 16:25.45 | polin8 | under contact |
| 16:25.51 | chouimat | back |
| 16:44.38 | pole | can someone please tell me what is in their /etc/pcmcia/config file for the WCF11 card? |
| 16:44.43 | pole | i dont have anything in it |
| 16:46.19 | pole | does "name" in ... card "name" |
| 16:46.22 | pole | important? |
| 16:46.30 | pole | or is only the manfid important? |
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| 17:25.16 | pole | anyone have any favorite screen protectors? |
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| 17:26.39 | Twiun | re |
| 17:27.20 | CodeYodd | I do |
| 17:27.29 | CodeYodd | www.freescreenprotectors.com |
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| 17:41.14 | pole | anyone make a GBA emulator for the Z yet? |
| 17:47.58 | treke|home | nope |
| 17:49.36 | mark | pole: nah, we're waiting for you |
| 17:50.06 | pole | heh |
| 17:50.25 | pole | is the A300 a 206 arm processor? |
| 17:50.59 | pole | maybe if i had one... i would work on it... hehe |
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| 17:54.18 | pole | damn mozilla keeps on crashing |
| 17:57.53 | Taim | anybody know if OZ will run on the 5600 as it uses an XScale CPU? |
| 17:58.18 | natty_ | gcc has an xscale target so if it doesn't run yet it shouldn't be too tough to port it |
| 17:59.20 | Taim | cool |
| 18:01.44 | treke|home | no |
| 18:01.50 | treke|home | the a300 is a 200mhz xscale |
| 18:02.00 | treke|home | Taim: not yet |
| 18:02.32 | treke|home | it will run eventually |
| 18:05.09 | Taim | still schway.... |
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| 18:16.20 | destr0 | So is Jeode and all that handcom stuff that's on the zuarus in the first place, part of the sharp rom? |
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| 19:08.42 | kendrick | gotta run |
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| 19:19.17 | Twiun | c700 hardware hacking :) http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=58048&cid=5574067 |
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| 19:26.15 | simcon | zsi is a bit quiet nowadays, need some more app dev on zaurus. |
| 19:26.37 | simcon | maybe it's reached saturation point :) |
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| 19:43.18 | grumpier | : / |
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| 20:17.38 | sig | how much is 32mb in kb ? |
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| 20:19.17 | newbs | 32,768 kb |
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| 21:07.32 | untorn | what feed do I have to use to get konq to work on oz 3.1-rc3.1 |
| 21:08.19 | dcarmich | hey...I tried putting initrd.bin+zImage on the root of my CF card..did the C+D+reset button...and the lights didn't start flashing. |
| 21:08.31 | dcarmich | what could be the problem? (this is an SL5500 with oz3.1-rc3.1) |
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| 21:15.06 | untorn | plug it into power? |
| 21:18.34 | polin8 | make sure you hit all the buttons |
| 21:18.37 | polin8 | ;) |
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| 21:40.04 | untorn | anyone have konqueror working with oz3? |
| 21:40.44 | mewyn | just get it out of the feed |
| 21:45.43 | untorn | mewyn: I did...oz thinks it is installed but there are no files anywhere on my z related to konq |
| 21:46.09 | untorn | the binary name is konqueror right? |
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| 22:24.34 | kendrick | awww yeah... |
| 22:24.53 | kendrick | mm! mm! mm! wah-chi wah-chi! |
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| 22:26.36 | larios | hi, |
| 22:27.19 | larios | some body have /root /home /opt in a Memory Card ??? |
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| 22:36.55 | larios | kergoth`bbl: do you know what its the files of /opt ? |
| 22:54.24 | kendrick | hmm |
| 22:57.57 | mewyn` | so much tivo to watch |
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| 23:17.39 | destr00 | I keep trying to install back ground images for ZStyle, by doing: $ipkg install opielook-background-tux.ipk but I get this error: |
| 23:18.16 | destr00 | zcat: opeilook-background-tuxdringing_1.0_all.ipk: not in gzip format |
| 23:18.35 | destr00 | zcat: stdin: unexpected end of file |
| 23:19.28 | destr00 | ipkg_install_file: ERROR unpacking control.tar.gz from opielook-background-tuxdrinking_1.0_all.ipk |
| 23:20.09 | destr00 | anyone know what I'm doing wrong? |
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