| 00:26.42 | raceme | are you using usbdnet patch or the new cdec thing in 2.4.21 kernel ? |
| 00:26.55 | kergoth | its not cdec |
| 00:26.56 | kergoth | its not cdcether |
| 00:26.59 | kergoth | its usbnet. |
| 00:29.42 | raceme | well what is the use of CDCEther ? |
| 00:30.05 | raceme | and what is the difference whith usbnet ? |
| 00:35.27 | kergoth | raceme: they're differnt drivers. and one supports the czaurus and the other doesnt. |
| 00:38.42 | raceme | kergoth: can i use the usbnet (from 2.4.21pre4) without the usbdnet patch nor the cdcether ? |
| 00:38.49 | raceme | s/can/should/ |
| 00:38.56 | kergoth | usbdnet is crap. |
| 00:39.03 | kergoth | useless, buggy, and _will_ panic your machine. |
| 00:39.13 | kergoth | cdcether doesnt _work_ with the zaurus. what part of that do you not understand? |
| 00:39.23 | raceme | kergoth: so i need usbnet |
| 00:40.00 | kergoth | if you dont want your machine to crash, yes |
| 00:40.21 | raceme | kergoth: i'm confused because hotplug loads usdnet *and* CDCEther |
| 00:40.48 | oGMo | i just rm -f CDCEther |
| 00:40.55 | oGMo | then it can't load it! >;) |
| 00:40.59 | raceme | arf |
| 00:41.03 | kergoth | or you can add it to the hotplug blacklist. |
| 00:41.06 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.01 | raceme | great i have usb0 back ! |
| 00:42.56 | raceme | thanks ! :) |
| 00:43.43 | raceme | now other question: instead of using 192.168.129.x, is it possible to make a bridge so the zaurus appear as a lan host ? |
| 00:46.15 | oGMo | yeah but it's a pain and there's no way through the gui, i forget what you have to do |
| 00:46.49 | raceme | okay i'll see that when i swith to OZ |
| 00:47.10 | oGMo | you could probably ifconfig it to whatever IP you want, and add a default route, and make sure the other side is configured right too |
| 00:47.39 | chouimat|away | raceme: your SDDR-73 is working now? |
| 00:47.43 | raceme | chouimat|away: no :( |
| 00:48.01 | raceme | chouimat|away: i really doesn't understand why it is not... |
| 00:48.12 | chouimat|away | raceme: me too |
| 00:49.00 | raceme | chouimat|away: or perhaps it comes from my motherboard |
| 00:50.26 | chouimat|away | http://c64upgra.de/c-one/ |
| 00:53.10 | raceme | is it normal that qtopia doesn't apply my net parameters like dns and gateway ? |
| 01:02.43 | raceme | ok added dns and gw by hand... i'm browsing... This really rocks ! |
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| 02:20.09 | Xentac | are there any documents that explain what goes on when the qtopia desktop syncs with the zaurus? |
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| 02:23.36 | gaurdian | hmm...I sync with outlook, no idea about qtopia |
| 02:24.15 | warmi | does Palm have some sort of standard syncing API ? |
| 02:24.28 | warmi | because I don't think zaurus does .. |
| 02:25.08 | Xentac | that's what I'd like to know... |
| 02:25.34 | gaurdian | seems to sync fine here with intellisync |
| 02:25.49 | Xentac | I want to know the process... not how to do it |
| 02:25.54 | Xentac | sorry... |
| 02:25.54 | gaurdian | overall, I am much happier with the Z than I was with Palm |
| 02:26.01 | Xentac | I want to know the algorithms... |
| 02:26.18 | gaurdian | ask sharp ? |
| 02:26.32 | Xentac | I wanted to know if other people knew before I asked sharp ;o) |
| 02:28.13 | gaurdian | might ask in #openembedded, thats where the developers hang who work on OZ |
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| 02:29.20 | Xentac | thank gaurdian |
| 02:29.23 | Xentac | er thanks |
| 02:29.40 | gaurdian | NP...not that anyone in there has said anything in a while, but odds are better there |
| 02:30.18 | gaurdian | kergoth is the main developer |
| 02:30.26 | Xentac | I know, I know him |
| 02:30.31 | Xentac | he's just not around right now ;o) |
| 02:30.32 | gaurdian | oh..ok :)( |
| 02:30.36 | gaurdian | ahh |
| 02:30.37 | gaurdian | ok |
| 02:33.17 | raceme[zzz] | good night all |
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| 02:49.48 | Pendalar | doh ZSI is pooping out on me again |
| 02:50.46 | hobbs | Then just repeat after me. |
| 02:50.55 | hobbs | "Ooh, Verdana in Unicode! I'm overjoyed!" |
| 02:51.13 | Pendalar | but I was almost up to 800 =-{ |
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| 02:57.41 | warmi | Qtopia ( as present in the official ZAurus ROM) is a piece of hardcoded crap |
| 02:57.59 | warmi | obviously rushed out of the door |
| 02:58.13 | warmi | with tons of stuff (API-wise) not working etc .. |
| 02:58.22 | Pendalar | it's a feature! feature dammit! |
| 02:58.24 | warmi | Qte is near perfect but Qtopia is a disaster |
| 02:58.25 | hobbs | was this prompted by something that I missed? |
| 02:58.32 | warmi | nah .. |
| 02:58.38 | warmi | just general observation |
| 02:58.46 | warmi | hobbs : what was that "Verdana" all about ? |
| 02:58.50 | gaurdian | heh..I dont use qtopia :) |
| 02:58.51 | Pendalar | nah warmi just goes off.. |
| 02:59.03 | warmi | gaurdian what do you use then ? |
| 02:59.09 | treke|laptop | except warmi is right :) |
| 02:59.13 | gaurdian | I use intellisync with outlook |
| 02:59.17 | hobbs | warmi: it's a font. |
| 02:59.24 | treke|laptop | gaurdian: and that relates how? |
| 02:59.31 | warmi | I mean, Qtopia is nice idea as far as look and feel of the "desktop" but API wise sucks |
| 02:59.31 | Pendalar | heh |
| 02:59.35 | hobbs | treke|laptop: agreed, I was just wondering if there was any "reason" for it. |
| 02:59.37 | gaurdian | NM...wrong channel :)...sorry |
| 02:59.48 | warmi | hobbs : I know what it is - I just don't know what your post was about ;-) |
| 02:59.49 | gaurdian | got channels screwed up |
| 02:59.53 | Pendalar | yer just not down with widgets.. got to get widgy with it |
| 03:00.13 | hobbs | warmi: ah. alright. the first entry on ZSI is "Verdana unicode fonts" |
| 03:00.23 | warmi | yeah, I saw that |
| 03:00.36 | Pendalar | dude, guys get off ZSI I need the speed =-{ |
| 03:00.39 | warmi | I was actually wondering if it would be a good idea to isntall that font on my zaurus |
| 03:00.49 | warmi | Pendalar : what are you doing ? |
| 03:01.23 | Pendalar | feed building |
| 03:01.35 | Pendalar | and at present speed I'm wasting my time |
| 03:01.38 | warmi | ah ... in another words - sucking everything from there |
| 03:01.43 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:02.08 | Pendalar | yes but I've only done about 50 per day |
| 03:02.15 | Pendalar | I didn't leech it all in one night |
| 03:02.26 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:02.35 | warmi | I thought killefiz had reasonable bandwith there |
| 03:02.47 | Pendalar | it does, if it isn't a weekend |
| 03:04.24 | warmi | uh .. I actually install Verdana on all my browsers ( Mozilla, Konqueror etc ) |
| 03:04.48 | warmi | I got so used to it on IE I can't stand any other stuff anymore when browsing |
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| 03:06.20 | warmi | btw this entire rant about Qtopia was in sort of indirect response to Xentac questions about syncing and how this is done under Qtopia etc .. |
| 03:06.44 | Pendalar | it just needs some warm petting |
| 03:07.05 | treke|laptop | use opie, its not quite as much a hardcoded piece of shit :) |
| 03:07.49 | Pendalar | yep it's soft |
| 03:07.59 | warmi | I am talking about programming it , not using ( using is another story) |
| 03:08.11 | warmi | If I code for OPIE it won't work for 90% of Zaurus users |
| 03:08.18 | treke|laptop | man aint that a complementary description, it oesnt suck as much :) |
| 03:08.38 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:09.04 | warmi | altough - last time I looked at OPIE code - the theme handling was just as hardcoded as it was in original Qtopia |
| 03:09.27 | warmi | well, they just added more case: statements :-) |
| 03:09.37 | warmi | but I guess now it's different |
| 03:09.46 | warmi | haven't seen it since like last summer |
| 03:10.27 | warmi | oh well , I better go back to playing Age of Kings |
| 03:10.39 | hobbs | the zaurus needs frozen-bubble. :) |
| 03:11.09 | treke|laptop | warmi: probably hasnt changed |
| 03:11.19 | treke|laptop | warmi: it was a qt limitation iirc |
| 03:11.53 | warmi | treke: not really, you just need to implement theming as a loadable .so library |
| 03:12.12 | warmi | which is completely independent from qt/gtk or whatever ;-) |
| 03:12.23 | warmi | but yeah, Qt 2.x theming wasn't perfect |
| 03:12.30 | warmi | 3.x is so much better |
| 03:12.45 | victorvdl | hobbs: Tried froot? (It's ok.) |
| 03:13.36 | Xentac | warmi: hehehe... I just wanted to know what was done... and if it could be salvaged in any way if someone were to write a replacement for the syncing stuff... |
| 03:14.11 | warmi | Xentac: Qtopia source code is available but I am not sure syncing stuff is in there |
| 03:14.15 | warmi | I never really looked into it |
| 03:14.28 | treke|laptop | Xentac: 1) The syncing app sends save qcop call |
| 03:14.32 | treke|laptop | 2) apps save their data |
| 03:14.35 | warmi | it should be available as a set of APIs the same way Windows CE handles that |
| 03:14.46 | Xentac | warmi: yeah... but I'd much prefer a document explaining it, instead of reading the source (not saying I can't do it... just tedious sometimes) |
| 03:14.49 | treke|laptop | 3) Sync app ftps the datafiles from the zaurus and does the syncing bit |
| 03:15.03 | treke|laptop | 4) Send modified files back to qtopia |
| 03:15.13 | treke|laptop | 5) Send the load qcop call and apps reload data |
| 03:15.29 | Xentac | treke|laptop: so it's all desktop side... interesting... |
| 03:15.31 | treke|laptop | roughly speaking |
| 03:15.40 | warmi | uh . Xentac : there is no document like that |
| 03:15.48 | warmi | there is hardly any doc for Qtopia API in the first place |
| 03:15.52 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 03:16.07 | warmi | you just have to check the source code if something doesn't work as expected |
| 03:16.09 | Xentac | warmi: back when I did Helio stuff there existed docs like that... they were just really hard to find |
| 03:16.16 | Pendalar | doc.trolls_under_the_bridge.com ? |
| 03:16.22 | Xentac | ie. you had to know the right people |
| 03:16.23 | warmi | all in all , it is not as bad as it sounds but compared to regular Qt , it is rather pathetic |
| 03:16.56 | warmi | actually, trolls are known for some of the best documentation in this industry |
| 03:17.03 | warmi | I mean Qte docs are damn perfect |
| 03:17.26 | warmi | and Qtopia docs are in the same format - they only thing they are missing is actual description for each method :-) |
| 03:18.32 | warmi | this is a typical example of what you have to go thru when trying to code stuff for Qtopia :http://www.eongames.com/diary/2002-02-28.html |
| 03:18.44 | ljp | I guess Austrailians dont like to write docs |
| 03:19.00 | warmi | oh ljp is alive |
| 03:19.02 | warmi | hi ljp |
| 03:19.07 | Pendalar | read that before but not on that site |
| 03:19.24 | ljp | hello |
| 03:19.45 | warmi | yeah, it is also available on zauruszone.com/howtos |
| 03:19.47 | Xentac | Pendalar: yeah, I read it on the howto site |
| 03:19.53 | ljp | I've been digging into alsa mixer api |
| 03:20.18 | warmi | you mean hardware mixer api not software mixing ? |
| 03:20.30 | ljp | ya |
| 03:20.34 | Xentac | treke|laptop: so... the qtopia ftp server lets you access any files on the filesystem? or just certain ones? |
| 03:21.20 | warmi | Xentac: you are looking for how to for example sync between your app on the zaurus and a desktop version of the same app runnin on the Linux ? |
| 03:22.00 | Xentac | warmi: hehehe... I'm just thinking broadly, that's all... the whole syncing problem, etc etc |
| 03:22.09 | warmi | ah that |
| 03:22.19 | Xentac | to fix it would you need a whole new app (zaurus side and desktop side) or just a better desktop app, etc |
| 03:22.29 | warmi | well, I think the user space problem was related more to a crappy USB drivers |
| 03:22.55 | warmi | people were having trouble actually establishing connection and keeping it up |
| 03:22.58 | warmi | or something like that |
| 03:23.05 | Xentac | I don't know exactly how the palm stuff works... but I understand it uses... what are they called... like... plugin modules for syncing... |
| 03:23.20 | Xentac | yeah... I'm talking more about the "palm syncing is waaaaaaaaay better" arguments |
| 03:23.24 | warmi | I tried it once on Windows 2000 and it worked for a day or so then it stoped |
| 03:23.48 | warmi | so I said , fuck it - I will just use standard Ethernet CF card and move my stuff around using samba |
| 03:23.59 | Xentac | that's what I do... only with wireless |
| 03:24.19 | warmi | yeah, I know it is not a formal solution |
| 03:24.31 | warmi | that needs to be dealt with by either Trolls or OPIE |
| 03:24.47 | warmi | whoever gets this right first - will get to set the standard :-) |
| 03:24.49 | Xentac | but it's not like I want to promise any formal solutions... I'm just brain storming at this point ;o) |
| 03:25.13 | warmi | if you have some ideas then I think you should be talking to OPIE folks |
| 03:25.41 | Xentac | I haven't made it that far yet ;) |
| 03:26.10 | warmi | I think OPIE is ahead of Trolls |
| 03:26.35 | warmi | I remember couple of months ago they already had plans for unified API for storing all kinds of user data ( contacts etc ) |
| 03:26.48 | warmi | so apps would be able to exchange that data freely |
| 03:27.05 | warmi | basically some common sense stuff |
| 03:27.15 | warmi | stuff that Trolls obviously forgot about :-) |
| 03:27.38 | warmi | man .. I am in a truly bitchy mood today |
| 03:27.44 | warmi | I am bitching and bitching about everything |
| 03:28.19 | ljp | just like a woman |
| 03:28.25 | ljp | :) |
| 03:28.53 | warmi | yeah, I guess |
| 03:30.02 | warmi | and , to forestall any attempts, no it is not a PMS |
| 03:30.17 | Pendalar | extra strength |
| 03:30.29 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:30.39 | warmi | ok ok I will now go back to my game for real .. |
| 03:30.42 | hobbs | what's the fun if it's not tampered with? |
| 03:30.47 | warmi | see you later |
| 03:31.52 | Pendalar | well I'd hate to be in prison for life for DCC'ing a fake bottle which somehow killed warmi upon reciept |
| 03:32.05 | Pendalar | but it would be my luck |
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| 03:36.22 | hobbs | sig: we want more NES-emulating action. |
| 03:36.29 | hobbs | >:) |
| 04:04.40 | nayr | hrmm |
| 04:04.56 | nayr | anyone have ipv6 kernel module for zaurus? |
| 04:05.11 | nayr | or do i have to make muh own |
| 04:18.15 | kergoth | download the kernel sources and have at it |
| 04:26.16 | chouimat|Zzzzz | arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg |
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| 04:35.34 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night |
| 04:39.40 | chouimat|Zzzzz | kergoth: ping |
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| 04:42.09 | sheenmaster | kergoth: I tried rc2 again today, and upgraded hostap-modules |
| 04:42.41 | nayr | damn |
| 04:42.49 | sheenmaster | kergoth: my wifi card still comes up as "unsupported card" |
| 04:43.01 | nayr | 31M to get my system to cross compile |
| 04:43.01 | nayr | thats steep for my lil dialup |
| 04:43.32 | sheenmaster | nayr: lol, I think I have 31G of traffic a month |
| 04:44.09 | nayr | heh |
| 04:45.00 | sheenmaster | nayr: I'm about to upgrade to a 3mb/s connection. |
| 04:45.17 | nayr | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.21 | sheenmaster | nayr: that could transfer your 31M download in just under 81 seconds |
| 04:45.40 | nayr | async? |
| 04:45.40 | nayr | or symetrical |
| 04:45.52 | nayr | ya ya ya |
| 04:45.52 | nayr | my 100Mbit webserver |
| 04:45.54 | nayr | could do it quicker |
| 04:45.58 | sheenmaster | lol |
| 04:45.58 | nayr | but unforutnaly |
| 04:46.03 | nayr | my house is in the boonies |
| 04:46.05 | nayr | and dialup |
| 04:46.07 | nayr | is the best i can do |
| 04:46.09 | nayr | right now |
| 04:46.14 | nayr | when i had a job |
| 04:46.21 | sheenmaster | my zaurus is jealous that it only gets 12mb/s to my server :( |
| 04:46.21 | nayr | i was paying $115 for 144K IDSL |
| 04:46.34 | nayr | :P |
| 04:46.53 | hobbs | nayr: ouch. |
| 04:46.53 | nayr | take that back, it was 128K IDSL |
| 04:47.07 | sheenmaster | or at least when kergoth has the modules working |
| 04:47.13 | nayr | 16K/s |
| 04:47.13 | nayr | for $115/Month |
| 04:47.16 | hobbs | what's the "I" for again? |
| 04:47.23 | hobbs | I know A and S. |
| 04:47.32 | nayr | now thats how starved i was for bandwidth |
| 04:47.32 | nayr | heh |
| 04:47.32 | nayr | and i worked for the ISP |
| 04:47.37 | nayr | so i got it at cost |
| 04:48.00 | sheenmaster | nayr: I get 600+kb/s downstream for $60/month |
| 04:48.06 | nayr | IDSL is a merge of ISDN and DSL |
| 04:48.14 | nayr | up to 32,000 feet reach |
| 04:48.24 | hobbs | aah. |
| 04:48.30 | nayr | but a single circut |
| 04:48.34 | nayr | instead of 2 64K circuts |
| 04:49.11 | sheenmaster | nayr: TN, backwards enough to be considered backwards and imbrede, but still advanced enough to have broadband competition |
| 04:49.43 | nayr | pretty much |
| 04:49.51 | JasonNJ | blah. |
| 04:50.13 | nayr | its just slightly better than ISDN |
| 04:50.21 | hobbs | I wish I lived like 5 miles away, so I could have cable. |
| 04:50.23 | nayr | cause i only pay one company |
| 04:50.47 | nayr | instead of paying $80 month for ISDN line and then $40 month for ISDN service |
| 04:50.58 | nayr | and then loosing performacne |
| 04:51.03 | nayr | from overhead of having 2 circuts |
| 04:51.15 | sheenmaster | nayr: if you justify it to yourself, I really pay $40 for internet and $50 for tv |
| 04:51.25 | nayr | so its slightly cheaper, slightly faster, just as unstable |
| 04:51.26 | sheenmaster | nayr: we had to get digital cable for high-speed broadband |
| 04:51.39 | nayr | heh |
| 04:51.52 | nayr | $600/Month i could get a reach T1 |
| 04:51.58 | nayr | thats my next option |
| 04:52.03 | nayr | like i could afford it |
| 04:52.13 | nayr | or |
| 04:52.14 | nayr | well |
| 04:52.16 | sheenmaster | nayr: I might be able to, with profits from an upcoming endeavor. |
| 04:52.24 | nayr | ya me to |
| 04:52.28 | sheenmaster | nayr: I'll run a "private" router on a local college's net. |
| 04:52.33 | sheenmaster | nayr: then charge for its use |
| 04:52.34 | nayr | heh |
| 04:52.44 | nayr | im starting a wisp |
| 04:52.49 | nayr | in a neighboring city |
| 04:52.52 | nayr | that has no broadband |
| 04:52.53 | nayr | anywhere |
| 04:53.11 | sheenmaster | nayr: first yell at kergoth for lack of working wifi modules for RC2!!!!! |
| 04:53.18 | sheenmaster | kergoth: HEAR THAT!? |
| 04:53.24 | nayr | heh |
| 04:53.30 | nayr | i havent moved to OZ yet |
| 04:53.36 | nayr | i just got my zaurus |
| 04:53.46 | sheenmaster | nayr: it's a lot better, expect when one thing fucks up |
| 04:54.02 | nayr | do sd cards work? |
| 04:54.05 | nayr | i heard they didnt |
| 04:54.09 | sheenmaster | nayr: mmc works fine |
| 04:54.10 | nayr | so i havent been to intrested |
| 04:54.15 | sheenmaster | nayr: I have a 256mb one |
| 04:54.26 | sheenmaster | nayr: ext2 formatted |
| 04:54.32 | nayr | the crypto dont work on sd or somethin? |
| 04:54.43 | nayr | cause mine is a 5000D and it wont do copyright shit anywase |
| 04:54.46 | sheenmaster | nayr: though there is talk of support being removed from 3.1r0 |
| 04:55.12 | nayr | for what? mmc? |
| 04:55.32 | sheenmaster | nayr: I'm not sure, http://www.openzaurus.org/ |
| 04:55.57 | sheenmaster | nayr: check out http://frob.us/ while your at it |
| 04:57.32 | sheenmaster | kergoth: (especially when I can't load it from my Z) |
| 04:59.00 | sheenmaster | nayr: I have a 3.1rc1 initrd and zImage if you need them, but the zImage is for a 5500 |
| 04:59.28 | nayr | i'll stick with the sharp rom for a lil while longer |
| 04:59.44 | sheenmaster | k, but the sharp rom sucks |
| 04:59.54 | sheenmaster | it doesn't even come with a terminal for goodness' sake |
| 04:59.57 | nayr | heh |
| 05:00.04 | nayr | the developers version does |
| 05:00.09 | treke|laptop | sheenmaster: SD/MMC support probably wont disappear as an option |
| 05:01.00 | sheenmaster | treke|laptop: screw SD; MMC-mode for SD cards should have any patent issues |
| 05:01.14 | sheenmaster | shouldn't* |
| 05:01.22 | kergoth | there is no mmc mode. |
| 05:01.28 | kergoth | if sd isnt supported, it isnt supported. period. |
| 05:01.37 | kergoth | an mmc driver will support mmc cards only. |
| 05:02.08 | treke|laptop | sheenmaster: the issue is that you need to pay and sign an nda to get the necessarry specs to support any form of SD cards |
| 05:02.20 | sheenmaster | kergoth: I'll honor your request not to bitch at you about it, even though I depend on my SD card for storage. |
| 05:02.40 | nayr | ditto |
| 05:03.03 | nayr | ^ is why im stickin with sharp rom for now |
| 05:03.08 | kergoth | eh? |
| 05:03.21 | kergoth | I've never said that we dont have or wont have SD support. |
| 05:03.23 | sheenmaster | kergoth: though I should mention that even with upgrading hostap I have no wifi under RC2 |
| 05:03.36 | kergoth | sheenmaster: you've mentioned this at least twice already. |
| 05:03.44 | nayr | heh |
| 05:03.51 | kergoth | I have never said OZ is losing SD support. |
| 05:04.03 | kergoth | people should stop making foolish assumptions. |
| 05:04.15 | nayr | :\ |
| 05:04.26 | sheenmaster | kergoth: and each time you said it was just because I didn't upgrade said package. Either this is a different bug that the one reported on the site or the fix doesn't work. |
| 05:04.39 | kergoth | sheenmaster: yes, I know |
| 05:04.42 | kergoth | sheenmaster: what about it? |
| 05:04.48 | kergoth | sheenmaster: you reported the problem |
| 05:05.02 | kergoth | I take note of every report I hear, regardless of whether its likely user error or not |
| 05:05.10 | kergoth | and put it on the todo for furher investigation |
| 05:05.14 | kergoth | I dont need to hear it 5 times |
| 05:05.28 | sheenmaster | k, I'll shut up |
| 05:05.48 | sheenmaster | would using the zImage of rc1 with the initrd of rc2 help? |
| 05:05.52 | kergoth | um |
| 05:05.55 | kergoth | zImage didnt change |
| 05:06.03 | kergoth | at all. i copied them from rc1 to rc2 on sf |
| 05:06.11 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:06.22 | nayr | please file complaints with /dev/null |
| 05:06.23 | sheenmaster | could I downgrade the effected module? |
| 05:06.38 | kergoth | no, complaints belong in the bug tracking system |
| 05:06.40 | kergoth | or in my mailbox |
| 05:06.44 | sheenmaster | echo '/me is pissed off' > /dev/null |
| 05:07.02 | kergoth | sheenmaster: you could try that. uninstall hostap-modules and backrev kernel-modules to the version from rc1. |
| 05:07.34 | kergoth | oh, you'll probably want to backrev pcmcia-cs too, otherwise you wont have prism2.conf, with the card entries |
| 05:07.45 | kergoth | that should about cover it. |
| 05:08.10 | sheenmaster | kergoth: hmm, could it just be missing the config entries? |
| 05:08.28 | sheenmaster | kergoth: sorry |
| 05:08.28 | kergoth | what do you think is different between hostap-modules from testing vs unstable? |
| 05:08.29 | kergoth | one file. |
| 05:08.39 | kergoth | the only change: the wcf11 and wcf12 card entries. |
| 05:08.43 | kergoth | thats it. |
| 05:08.46 | kergoth | otherwise identical. |
| 05:09.02 | kergoth | which is why in stock testing/rc1 your card is identified as unsupported |
| 05:09.50 | sheenmaster | kergoth: it's IDed correctly in rc1, unsupported in rc2 //though I'll assume that's a typo |
| 05:09.56 | kergoth | ? |
| 05:10.05 | kergoth | er |
| 05:10.05 | kergoth | yeah |
| 05:10.07 | kergoth | typo |
| 05:10.10 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:10.29 | kergoth | in rc2 we upgraded to a newer version of the prism2/hostap drivers |
| 05:10.35 | kergoth | and also grabbed a different config file |
| 05:10.39 | kergoth | whichi s why entries got lost |
| 05:10.53 | kergoth | but if there are still problems, then that means there is likely a bug in the new version of the drivers. |
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| 05:11.06 | kergoth | again, I already have this on the todo for further investigation |
| 05:11.16 | kergoth | if you want to email the hostap mailing list regarding it, feel free |
| 05:11.25 | kergoth | I'm subscribed to that list, but dont have time atm |
| 05:11.31 | kergoth | I'm busy putting OZ on my c700 |
| 05:11.33 | sheenmaster | kergoth: scratch that, I forgot to restart the card manager process |
| 05:11.45 | sheenmaster | kergoth: c700? (lucky bastard) |
| 05:11.54 | sheenmaster | how's the k/b? |
| 05:11.55 | kergoth | only have it for a month, on loan |
| 05:11.58 | kergoth | very nice |
| 05:12.14 | chouimat|Zzzzz | it's so boriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggggggggg |
| 05:12.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:12.32 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzzz: if you're bored, go work on our buildsystem :D |
| 05:12.48 | chouimat|Zzzzz | kergoth: or erase the new Dessimat0r lart |
| 05:13.06 | kergoth | that too |
| 05:13.24 | chouimat|Zzzzz | kergoth: there is 12 news things like this |
| 05:13.25 | kergoth | hey cool |
| 05:13.37 | sheenmaster | kergoth: is it worth $600 to get one imported from Japan? |
| 05:13.41 | kergoth | I tweaked the c700 kernel config to english from japanese |
| 05:13.51 | kergoth | so the japanese please wait message on the ekrnel boot logo is gone |
| 05:13.52 | kergoth | spiffy |
| 05:13.56 | kergoth | dynamism will be happy to hear that |
| 05:14.58 | sheenmaster | is the keyboard responsive like a laptop or a TI graphing calc, or "stubborn" like a 5500 or HP calc? |
| 05:15.14 | kergoth | define stubborn |
| 05:15.39 | sheenmaster | hard to press |
| 05:16.09 | kergoth | ah, i think it feels easier than the 5500 |
| 05:16.15 | chouimat|Zzzzz | kergoth: just added something to ulyx lart code... it will be so fun tomorrow :) |
| 05:16.22 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzzz: you need a hobby |
| 05:16.24 | sheenmaster | easy enough to code on? |
| 05:16.28 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzzz: other than you bot :D |
| 05:16.52 | chouimat|Zzzzz | kergoth: it's just for when dess will try to lart everyone :) |
| 05:16.54 | kergoth | sheenmaster: imho yes. I'll be grabbing a irda keyboard for that :) |
| 05:16.57 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzzz: hah |
| 05:17.04 | kergoth | sheenmaster: just to have full size |
| 05:17.12 | Pendalar | wow |
| 05:17.14 | kergoth | but its definately far more suited to coding on the road than the 5000d/5500 |
| 05:17.34 | Pendalar | I've actually got everything from the ZSI links that were good links |
| 05:17.46 | kergoth | http://people.debian.org/~rkrusty/opie/ <-opie for Debian/ARM |
| 05:17.47 | kergoth | :D |
| 05:17.54 | treke|laptop | hehe |
| 05:17.59 | Pendalar | 869 entries .. |
| 05:18.07 | Pendalar | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=869 <-- wtf is that, it's a windows app |
| 05:18.08 | sheenmaster | kergoth: I'd want a smaller size, I might build one onto my cradle's carcass. About the size of a TI92+'s k/b. |
| 05:18.21 | Pendalar | commercial at that.. and has zip to do with the zaurus |
| 05:18.22 | sheenmaster | (anyone have a broken 92(+) to donate?) |
| 05:18.24 | kergoth | sheenmaster: ah, you'd like the c700 |
| 05:18.52 | chouimat|Zzzzz | kergoth: it's for debain/i386 :) |
| 05:19.02 | sheenmaster | kergoth: care to lend me one? |
| 05:19.09 | sheenmaster | chouimat|Zzzzz: debian/ppc? |
| 05:19.17 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzzz: er yeah, debian/[whatever] |
| 05:19.25 | kergoth | chouimat|Zzzzz: its a debian source package, build it against any arch :) |
| 05:21.46 | sheenmaster | chouimat|Zzzzz: I wouldn't mind a two-headed debian. Might as well use a dumb terminal as a serial k/b and get a second head. |
| 05:27.18 | sheenmaster | chouimat|Zzzzz: two headed zaurus* |
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| 10:12.33 | NoRemorse | heya |
| 10:18.29 | mark | hi NoRemorse |
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| 10:55.43 | NoRemorse | kergoth, what is the prism2 package that OZ uses? can I install it on ipaq? |
| 11:01.12 | George- | hey |
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| 11:05.39 | George- | mooo |
| 11:17.09 | NoRemorse | hehe tkcJabber runs on ipaq |
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| 11:23.03 | George- | wahoo |
| 11:23.09 | George- | Just increased the bracing height on my bow |
| 11:23.12 | George- | I'm learning :) |
| 11:23.13 | George- | lol |
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| 11:25.29 | George- | gtg |
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| 11:54.57 | SuKoShi | hi! |
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| 12:24.39 | Twiun | hi * |
| 12:24.55 | Twiun | ibot: change 35000 GBP to USD |
| 12:25.54 | mark | Twiun: whats that? your new salary? :) |
| 12:26.15 | Twiun | mark: nope, the one I'm going to turn down ;) |
| 12:26.48 | mark | Twiun: hehe. which one are you going for? |
| 12:27.05 | XavierXeon | sallary is not everything |
| 12:27.09 | Twiun | aye |
| 12:27.14 | mark | indeed |
| 12:27.29 | Twiun | the company that offered is a "dot-com" in every sense of the ugly term |
| 12:27.39 | Twiun | so I'm going to turn it down - no matter how high the pay goes |
| 12:28.57 | XavierXeon | being wealthy sucks if your working life is hell :) |
| 12:29.20 | Twiun | and £35k in London isn't really that wealthy... |
| 12:29.26 | Twiun | cost of living is astronomical |
| 12:29.41 | XavierXeon | i know |
| 12:29.47 | Twiun | talking of london - anyone going to that Sun tech conference tomorrow? |
| 12:30.46 | Twiun | you lucky man... where now? |
| 12:31.15 | XavierXeon | dortmund germany. live is very cheap here :) |
| 12:32.36 | Twiun | hehe |
| 12:33.42 | Twiun | I wish house prices would come down... £180k for a 3bed terrace in zone 4 is ridiculous |
| 12:33.48 | mark | ouch |
| 12:34.19 | XavierXeon | i lived in the east end (mile end) and paid 330 pounds a month for a 12 m^2 room |
| 12:34.47 | Twiun | yeah, my rent is 600/m - and that's only because I know the landlord |
| 12:35.17 | Twiun | everyone is just too greedy in london |
| 12:35.37 | CrazyGogo | monin xavier! |
| 12:35.48 | XavierXeon | hi CrazyGogo |
| 12:35.56 | CrazyGogo | i installed the 64-0 + gcc etc and its working out nicely :) |
| 12:36.11 | mark | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:36.23 | XavierXeon | do not forget to make regular backups and you are on the very safe side ! |
| 12:36.54 | CrazyGogo | except: it seems that sometimes the links get messed up and some apps wont start - i can reboot and everything is fine... how does that happen? does that happen for u, too? |
| 12:37.15 | CrazyGogo | maybe its not the links, but it seems like |
| 12:38.02 | XavierXeon | if that happens open the konsole and type "mount". maybe your sd card got remounted read only or is not recognised as ext2 |
| 12:38.23 | CrazyGogo | hmm... but konsole wont open sometimes :) |
| 12:38.25 | XavierXeon | what brand is your sd card ? |
| 12:38.45 | CrazyGogo | toshiba :)) (worked out without problems so far) |
| 12:38.58 | XavierXeon | so no sandisk :) |
| 12:39.13 | CrazyGogo | :) |
| 12:39.26 | XavierXeon | can you shh to your z ? |
| 12:39.31 | XavierXeon | err ssh |
| 12:39.33 | CrazyGogo | if i just eject the sd card and then reinsert - could that help? |
| 12:39.40 | XavierXeon | no |
| 12:39.41 | CrazyGogo | XavierXeon: yeah should |
| 12:39.57 | XavierXeon | if it happens again ssh to your z and type mount |
| 12:40.14 | CrazyGogo | but how can that happen during suspend? |
| 12:40.23 | CrazyGogo | on resume everything gets remounted? |
| 12:40.44 | XavierXeon | i only know from my very painfull sandisk sd experience that it can happen. |
| 12:40.51 | CrazyGogo | :) |
| 12:40.53 | CrazyGogo | ok |
| 12:41.06 | XavierXeon | with the lexar i use now i do not even realise the card is there |
| 12:41.19 | CrazyGogo | so i mount /dev/mmcda1 /mnt/card again and it should be fine |
| 12:41.25 | CrazyGogo | hmm |
| 12:41.41 | XavierXeon | if you try that opie will likely crash |
| 12:42.07 | CrazyGogo | but only 'mount' will do? |
| 12:42.31 | XavierXeon | but : if your card is mounted as ext2,read-write that is not the cause of your problem |
| 12:43.07 | XavierXeon | mount without any parameters does nothing else than "cat /proc/mounts" it shows what is mounted |
| 12:43.14 | CrazyGogo | ok, i'll have to look at that via ssh next time it happens.... |
| 12:43.22 | XavierXeon | yep |
| 12:44.29 | CrazyGogo | the sd card is mounted: (rw,noatime) |
| 12:44.36 | CrazyGogo | ext2 |
| 12:44.45 | CrazyGogo | is that ok? whats the 'noatime' ? |
| 12:45.00 | XavierXeon | yes |
| 12:46.10 | XavierXeon | try to delete the sync flag for the card from /ec/fstab |
| 12:46.27 | CrazyGogo | are u using some java compile, too? |
| 12:46.43 | XavierXeon | no |
| 12:46.47 | CrazyGogo | XavierXeon: really? i just added the sync flag for the jffs |
| 12:46.58 | CrazyGogo | the sd card doesnt need that? |
| 12:47.17 | XavierXeon | sync makes it slower |
| 12:47.51 | CrazyGogo | isnt sync needed for install og large files? |
| 12:48.48 | XavierXeon | dont know. never had problems without sync |
| 12:49.37 | CrazyGogo | there's no sync |
| 12:49.40 | CrazyGogo | :) |
| 12:50.42 | CrazyGogo | its juit says: auto defaults,noauto,noatime 0 0 |
| 12:51.21 | XavierXeon | then you do not have to delete it |
| 12:54.08 | CrazyGogo | the links are soft links, why wouldnt one use hardlinks for that? |
| 12:57.25 | XavierXeon | why should they ? |
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| 14:40.58 | George- | hey ljp |
| 14:41.04 | George- | you stupid incompetant bastard =P |
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| 14:42.19 | ljp | georgie, georgie, georgie.. do I have to tell your parents you are cursing again? |
| 14:44.00 | George- | ljp: lol |
| 14:44.07 | George- | ljp: see? you're a bastard ;) |
| 14:49.42 | George- | ljp: anyway... have I missed anything in the past week? |
| 14:50.30 | ljp | ummmm..... space shuttle blew up yesterday |
| 14:50.50 | George- | apart from that? |
| 14:52.59 | ljp | ummmm, I had a job interview |
| 14:53.32 | ljp | helix port to zaurus is waiting for fixed point code and a fixed build |
| 14:54.04 | George- | helix? |
| 14:54.12 | ljp | but helix will soon have native alsa support, as well as device support for 5.1 sound/mixer |
| 14:54.22 | CrazyGogo | does anyone know how to change the output path of the kopi compile? i want it to be the same path as the .java file... |
| 14:54.23 | ljp | http://www.helixcommunity.org |
| 14:54.28 | George- | perhaps I should join the adopt-a-geek program, this tibook is too crap! :) |
| 14:54.33 | George- | j/k ;) |
| 14:54.58 | ljp | naaa, you should do the adopt-an-Opie-geek program |
| 14:55.07 | George- | lol |
| 14:55.33 | George- | "Yeh, uhh.. we need a sun sparc for developing.. uh.. embedded applications" |
| 14:55.52 | George- | "yeh.. uhm.. UltraSPARC III should be enough" |
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| 15:09.21 | gooofy | hi :) |
| 15:12.50 | gooofy | is the any chance to get op2 running on a stock zaurus sl-5500 g plus squeezing in a small media file (just for demonstration purposes) ? |
| 15:13.11 | raceme | gooofy: op2 ? |
| 15:13.47 | gooofy | opie media player 2 |
| 15:14.05 | raceme | ah |
| 15:26.26 | George- | gooofy: how big is this small media file? |
| 15:26.42 | George- | gooofy: op2 in itself is about 3 MB iirc |
| 15:27.01 | George- | gooofy: the stock 5500 has 32MB storage RAM, and 32MB real RAM |
| 15:27.17 | George- | gooofy: so you can have a media file of up to about 25MB I suppose |
| 15:27.17 | gooofy | not sure yet, i thought about re-encoding some movie trailer - maybe 5-10mb or something |
| 15:27.32 | gooofy | that sounds good |
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| 15:33.38 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:34.33 | George- | oh dear |
| 15:34.48 | George- | look what the cat's just dragged in |
| 15:35.04 | chouimat | George-: hi |
| 15:48.55 | George- | bleh |
| 15:49.42 | chouimat | ulyx lart George- |
| 15:50.01 | George- | shut the fuck up |
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| 15:55.31 | chouimat | hi mrwoody |
| 15:55.50 | mrwoody | hi |
| 15:59.56 | chouimat | ulyx lart George- |
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| 16:17.44 | George- | nuhduhv? |
| 16:17.44 | George- | woot |
| 16:18.37 | George- | hrmm.. Just realised, that mitnick should finally be free now |
| 16:19.10 | chouimat | ulyx lart George- |
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| 16:27.45 | LordDavon | Hello everyone.\ |
| 16:28.37 | mark | ulyx: lart George- |
| 16:29.00 | chouimat | ulyx lart George- |
| 16:29.16 | George- | hey mark |
| 16:29.46 | chouimat | hey mark George- |
| 16:30.50 | mark | hi George-, chouimat |
| 16:31.01 | George- | mark: CVS HEAD is fine here... |
| 16:31.05 | George- | mark: It works perfectly ;) |
| 16:31.28 | mark | George-: yeh, its working suprisngly well |
| 16:31.55 | mark | although KHTML HEAD is somewhat borked |
| 16:32.01 | George- | mark: rubbish |
| 16:32.06 | George- | mark: KHTML is fine |
| 16:32.23 | mark | George-: no, they're merging Safaris CSS code, and as a consequence some things are not right |
| 16:32.55 | mark | George-: i want a g4 |
| 16:33.14 | George- | mark: my bow resonates like hel when i shoot :( |
| 16:33.30 | George- | mark: i have a g4 ;) |
| 16:33.50 | mark | George-: yes, thats coz ur a rich spoilt brat |
| 16:33.54 | George- | lol |
| 16:34.13 | George- | and you're the one with the car? |
| 16:34.14 | George- | =P: |
| 16:34.22 | mark | my car is worth less than your computer |
| 16:34.48 | chouimat | car are overrated and a money pit |
| 16:35.06 | George- | mark: rubbish |
| 16:35.10 | George- | mark: how much is ur car worth? |
| 16:35.19 | mark | George-: about a grand probably |
| 16:35.29 | George- | and who's the one with the xp 1800+? |
| 16:35.39 | mark | you? |
| 16:35.40 | George- | my tibook is 1400 gbp |
| 16:35.47 | George- | i don;'t have a 1800+... |
| 16:36.03 | mark | youve got a 2100 or something then |
| 16:36.24 | mark | your *second* computer |
| 16:36.37 | chouimat | hmmmm 2 899$ for the new 12" powerbook |
| 16:36.52 | mark | chouimat: pretty good |
| 16:37.25 | mark | no, pretty darn expensive actually :) |
| 16:37.53 | mark | George-: ur lappy is worth more than 1400 quid |
| 16:38.30 | chouimat | mark:it the canadian price ... and the 17" is 5299 |
| 16:39.00 | mark | chouimat: apple stuff is a rip off |
| 16:39.23 | George- | mark: I got my lappie for 1400 quid tho' ;)_ |
| 16:39.34 | George- | mark: oh, you mean my router? |
| 16:39.39 | George- | mark: that's a 2400+ |
| 16:39.40 | chouimat | mark: I will get another brand of computer if I want a ppc |
| 16:39.43 | George- | mark: and it's not really mine |
| 16:39.59 | mark | George-: how did you get it for 1400? its worth about double that |
| 16:40.07 | mark | chouimat: heh |
| 16:40.27 | chouimat | mark: he did the street :) |
| 16:41.27 | mark | hah |
| 16:42.21 | George- | mark: I got tax off |
| 16:42.41 | chouimat | ulyx: lart George- |
| 16:43.02 | mark | George-: its worth more than 1645 |
| 16:43.33 | George- | 1645? where did you get that figure from? |
| 16:43.41 | mark | 1400 * 1.175 |
| 16:44.09 | George- | I said TAX not VAT |
| 16:44.14 | George- | I got approx 57.5% off |
| 16:44.26 | mark | George-: erm, VAT is value added TAX |
| 16:44.30 | George- | (corporate tax is 40%) |
| 16:44.36 | mark | George-: so? |
| 16:44.44 | George- | I didn't pay that either |
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| 16:45.46 | mark | George-: corporations tax is paid on profits, not individual purchases |
| 16:45.59 | George- | blah whatever |
| 16:46.05 | George- | I don't understand how it worked |
| 16:46.05 | mark | George-: so you are talking rubbish |
| 16:46.18 | George- | but I only had to pay approx 1400 quid |
| 16:46.48 | George- | because it was bought thru my dad's company, for an employee of the company (me) |
| 16:46.51 | George- | blah, whatever |
| 16:46.56 | George- | you argumentative sod ;) |
| 16:47.57 | mark | George-: so? the only tax applicable on purchases is VAT |
| 16:49.41 | treke|home | ah the joy of taxes :) |
| 16:50.58 | chouimat | ulyx: lart taxes |
| 16:54.20 | treke|home | unlyx lart taxes |
| 16:54.21 | chouimat | ulyx: lart George- |
| 16:54.28 | treke|home | that felt good |
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| 16:59.58 | mark | ulyx: George- is a thief |
| 16:59.59 | ulyx | but George- is a very annoying person, so we don't need to listen to him |
| 17:00.09 | mark | ulyx: George- is also a thief |
| 17:00.09 | ulyx | fine |
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| 18:10.09 | arete | ftp://ftp..airton:pp..pp.pu@dol.ru/taty/tatu_m1.mpeg |
| 18:10.43 | arete | for those who haven't seen TATU's vid |
| 18:13.07 | Twiun | best use the mirror.... the ftp site is _slow_ |
| 18:13.19 | Twiun | can't wait for their album to be released in the UK |
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| 18:13.47 | Twiun | mind you... I prefer some of their russian-language songs rather than the translations |
| 18:14.01 | arete | hehe |
| 18:14.04 | arete | I can't stand the sound |
| 18:14.09 | arete | but its different |
| 18:14.19 | arete | reminds me of anime more than anything |
| 18:15.21 | chouimat | Twiun: huh? |
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| 19:55.28 | gaurdian | heya hideaway |
| 19:55.44 | hideaway | gaurdian :) |
| 19:55.51 | hideaway | small world. |
| 19:56.12 | gaurdian | the on screen keyboard has |, easiest I have found |
| 19:56.58 | gaurdian | you running OZ ? |
| 19:57.07 | hideaway | yeah |
| 19:57.18 | gaurdian | I would but am waiting for a email app |
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| 20:00.38 | hideaway | gaurdian: there's an "opie-mail2" app that claims to be an imap mail client |
| 20:00.43 | JasonNJ | greetings. |
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| 20:02.09 | br33zy | hi jason |
| 20:02.16 | JasonNJ | sup. |
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| 20:36.00 | arete | gee I've wasted half the day |
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| 22:30.31 | SuKoShi | hi yeiazel |
| 22:31.30 | yeiazel | yo |
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| 22:31.39 | NetAmp | hi |
| 22:31.46 | NetAmp | ibot OP2 |
| 22:31.46 | | i heard op2 is a media player which is currently in beta stage, which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg, and MPEG4 (DivX/XviD) movies, and other formats. The backend uses the xine libs. search for it in the oz3 feed for install help. ... http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php, or a more recent version of op2 can be found in the official unstable feed of openzaurus |
| 22:39.48 | NetAmp | hmm.. no new OP2? |
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| 22:40.25 | NetAmp | oh well I'll just install the IPKs I still have and that I know are working ;) |
| 22:40.52 | NetAmp | I hate going in the bus to work without my MP3s :P |
| 22:40.59 | treke|home | NetAmp: stick to the official releases :) |
| 22:41.04 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 22:41.16 | NetAmp | good idea ;) |
| 22:41.36 | NetAmp | I have opie-mediaplayer2_0.9.1-20021214_arm.ipk |
| 22:41.45 | NetAmp | with opie-mediaplayer-codecs_0.5.5_arm.ipk |
| 22:42.15 | SuKoShi | does OP2 works on sharp rom? |
| 22:42.16 | NetAmp | (+ libogg0_1.0.0-2a_arm.ipk + libvorbisidec1_20021214-1_arm.ipk even though I don't have any OGG files, hehe) |
| 22:42.41 | NetAmp | dunno about Sharp ROM... |
| 22:43.27 | treke|home | SuKoShi: typically it has problems |
| 22:43.52 | SuKoShi | treke : thanks |
| 22:44.30 | treke|home | the problem is a lack of memory |
| 22:44.44 | SuKoShi | but it should work on mine then |
| 22:44.52 | treke|home | why? |
| 22:44.54 | SuKoShi | (B500) |
| 22:45.11 | treke|home | B500 only has 32mb of ram, correct? |
| 22:45.15 | SuKoShi | 64 |
| 22:45.19 | treke|home | wtf |
| 22:45.40 | SuKoShi | but it is differently organized |
| 22:45.41 | treke|home | ibot lart sharp |
| 22:45.46 | treke|home | ibot lart sharp |
| 22:45.59 | treke|home | they are only putting 32 in the 5600 |
| 22:46.38 | SuKoShi | i mistook |
| 22:46.45 | SuKoShi | let me check the japanese url with specs |
| 22:47.09 | kergoth | hey SuKoShi |
| 22:47.22 | SuKoShi | hey ;) |
| 22:47.29 | SuKoShi | finally you had it :p |
| 22:47.40 | kergoth | SuKoShi: hacking on c700 oz support now. the b500 and c700 kernel builds are in our buildsystem, just a matter of tweaking the rootfs |
| 22:47.50 | SuKoShi | :) |
| 22:48.10 | SuKoShi | please kergoth, would you please think about a way to keep japanese IME ? |
| 22:48.14 | hideaway | has anyone had trouble with a d-link dcf-650w wireless cf card with oz 3.1rc2? |
| 22:48.26 | kergoth | SuKoShi: IME? |
| 22:48.33 | SuKoShi | input method editor |
| 22:48.37 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:48.55 | SuKoShi | frankly, it really rocks |
| 22:49.07 | SuKoShi | and as far as i've read on japanese websites |
| 22:49.28 | treke|home | SuKoShi: back uo the input method before reflashing |
| 22:49.39 | treke|home | they are somewhere in QPE_DIR/lib |
| 22:49.47 | hideaway | besides an off-by-one error when displaying the ESSID on interface information, it gives 44:44:44:44:44:44 as the mac address of the AP and 64% signal/noise, and won't assosciate. |
| 22:49.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:50.01 | kergoth | hideaway: it always gives that mac when its not associated. |
| 22:50.11 | kergoth | hideaway: so thats expected. the real problem is the failure to associate. |
| 22:50.18 | SuKoShi | mmmh treke|home, don't you know how to distinguish them? |
| 22:50.36 | hideaway | kergoth: ok. anything I can do to help you debug it? i was running an earlier OZ (I dunno, maybe 3.0, probably a later 2.x) and it worked as expected. |
| 22:50.40 | hideaway | i'm specifying the SSID. |
| 22:50.42 | treke|home | SuKoShi: i dont have a working pda in front of me or I'd look |
| 22:51.16 | kergoth | hideaway: 3.1rc2 includes 1) newer hostap drivers, and 2) a different card config. worst case revert kernel-modules, pcmcia-cs to the versions from rc1/3.0, and uninstall hostap-modules |
| 22:51.25 | kergoth`bbl | bbl, have errands to run |
| 22:51.33 | hideaway | ok, thanks |
| 22:52.21 | raster | errands to run |
| 22:52.24 | raster | pants to keep on |
| 22:52.29 | raster | its just all too much! |
| 22:53.13 | treke|home | who said anything about keeping pants on? |
| 22:53.30 | raster | dude! PANTS ON! |
| 22:54.02 | treke|home | hell no |
| 22:54.21 | NetAmp | ibot lart pants |
| 22:54.28 | NetAmp | hrm.. |
| 22:54.33 | NetAmp | weird effect |
| 22:54.43 | SuKoShi | treke|home: i can't find it :( |
| 22:54.45 | raster | heheheheh |
| 22:54.53 | treke|home | ibot pants? |
| 22:54.57 | | Allows an individual to connect an internal LAN to the Internet.. URL: http://www.vu.union.edu/~pants/ |
| 22:55.11 | SuKoShi | got it! |
| 22:55.46 | CrazyGogo | does anyone know why unter rc2 my sd card isnt properly mounted every once in awhile after resuming? |
| 22:56.44 | CrazyGogo | im runnign 64-0 so i really need the SD otherwise my apps wont start :( |
| 22:57.11 | raster | that crazy sd card malarkey |
| 22:57.17 | raster | pfft i say |
| 22:57.21 | raster | PFFT |
| 22:58.55 | NetAmp | heh |
| 22:59.09 | CrazyGogo | :( |
| 22:59.15 | NetAmp | on rc1 one of my CF cards re-mounts at resume |
| 22:59.27 | NetAmp | like it finds a new card even though it hasn't been out |
| 22:59.41 | CrazyGogo | yeah... |
| 22:59.41 | NetAmp | but the other CF doesn't cause that |
| 22:59.44 | NetAmp | pretty weird... |
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| 22:59.55 | CrazyGogo | on rc2 its taking ages to find a ne card and to mount/umount it.... |
| 22:59.59 | CrazyGogo | at least 10 sec!! |
| 23:00.36 | SuKoShi | treke|home: it is in QPE_Dir\plugins\inputmethods |
| 23:00.49 | CrazyGogo | the network card doesnt even get unmounted most of the times.. so i have to reboot.... |
| 23:00.55 | NetAmp | :-( |
| 23:00.59 | NetAmp | argh |
| 23:01.04 | NetAmp | lart mount problems |
| 23:01.08 | NetAmp | ~lart mount problems |
| 23:01.13 | treke|home | SuKoShi: close enough :) |
| 23:01.24 | NetAmp | ~lart mount problems |
| 23:01.29 | NetAmp | hmm |
| 23:01.32 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 23:01.40 | CrazyGogo | and because of the SD mount problems i have to boot, too.. so i am booting at least twice a day lately :(( |
| 23:01.49 | NetAmp | ~lart NetAmp's Unreal2 enemies |
| 23:01.56 | NetAmp | sweet |
| 23:02.06 | CrazyGogo | not quit |
| 23:02.09 | CrazyGogo | +e |
| 23:02.27 | NetAmp | oh :( |
| 23:02.30 | NetAmp | that sucks dude |
| 23:02.47 | CrazyGogo | yo |
| 23:03.10 | NetAmp | I just reflashed because I messed around with the OPIE base IPK's :P |
| 23:03.19 | NetAmp | I won't be doing that again anytime soon ; |
| 23:03.21 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 23:03.36 | CrazyGogo | what are u running? |
| 23:03.40 | NetAmp | OZ 3.1 rc1 |
| 23:03.45 | CrazyGogo | hmm |
| 23:03.52 | CrazyGogo | on 3.0 i had NO problems |
| 23:03.55 | NetAmp | I just want my PIM stuff to work properly |
| 23:04.06 | NetAmp | and play back MP3's |
| 23:04.26 | CrazyGogo | since rc1 the networkcard doesnt get unmounted properly or not at all, and since rc2 the sd card problem added... :((((((( |
| 23:04.32 | NetAmp | bah |
| 23:04.35 | NetAmp | lame |
| 23:04.39 | CrazyGogo | and in 3.1 final no sd support at all :) *gg* |
| 23:04.49 | NetAmp | huh?? |
| 23:04.56 | NetAmp | that's even weirder |
| 23:05.19 | NetAmp | I don't use SD anymore since I got a 128MB CF |
| 23:05.32 | CrazyGogo | i need the CF slot for lancard |
| 23:05.40 | NetAmp | right :( |
| 23:05.51 | CrazyGogo | and since i am runnign 64-0 i need the card to be in there 24/7 |
| 23:05.58 | NetAmp | yep... |
| 23:06.24 | NetAmp | i'm on 40-24 |
| 23:06.46 | CrazyGogo | i need large opt because of gcc |
| 23:07.26 | CrazyGogo | i setup gcc + kopi + minide + some sompiler shellscript that automatically calls the right compiler depending on the input file ending... |
| 23:08.05 | CrazyGogo | and since i didnt know shellscript well enough it took me ages to gigure that out :) |
| 23:09.39 | hideaway | kergoth`bbl: oh, well, my card still works. my AP broke right when I upgraded OZ. damn timing. |
| 23:10.27 | NetAmp | yeah shellscript looks a bit weird at first |
| 23:10.36 | NetAmp | I haven't really studied it either |
| 23:11.11 | NetAmp | oh well |
| 23:11.15 | NetAmp | *yawn* |
| 23:11.24 | NetAmp | another Manic Monday tomorrow |
| 23:11.27 | NetAmp | work day |
| 23:11.39 | NetAmp | Goodday/night folks |
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| 23:12.18 | kergoth`bbl | CrazyGogo: wtf are you talking about? |
| 23:12.26 | kergoth`bbl | CrazyGogo: I have _never_ said 3.1 will not have sd support. |
| 23:12.37 | kergoth`bbl | CrazyGogo: dont make foolish assumptions. |
| 23:13.10 | kergoth`bbl | and fyi, yoiu dont 'mount' or 'umount' a network card. |
| 23:14.32 | chouimat|away | kergoth`bbl: you're back? |
| 23:14.54 | kergoth`bbl | back at the house yes, back on irc for a while, no. going to clean my house up |
| 23:14.59 | kergoth`bbl | so bbl again |
| 23:15.05 | chouimat|away | kergoth`bbl: ok |
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| 23:17.15 | CmdrChalupa | where can I save the terminal when I download it to such that the package installer will find it? |
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| 23:32.47 | gaurdian | ljp, you know anything about the qtopia "desktop" that comes on the sharp rom ? |
| 23:33.16 | gaurdian | specifically, if it can be upgraded |
| 23:41.16 | ljp | from trolltech's ftp site |
| 23:41.39 | gaurdian | I know I can get it there, just wondering what all is involved in upgrading it |
| 23:42.27 | gaurdian | I would use oz except for the lack of email client |
| 23:42.35 | ljp | not much really |
| 23:42.56 | gaurdian | know where I can find instructions ? |
| 23:43.09 | ljp | its in rpm form |
| 23:43.21 | gaurdian | ok |
| 23:43.30 | ljp | unless you use windows |
| 23:43.49 | gaurdian | I use both actually |
| 23:45.53 | ljp | me too |
| 23:53.40 | |ryan| | wow |
| 23:53.47 | |ryan| | 512MB CF for $115 |
| 23:54.38 | |ryan| | http://www.compuplus.com/insidepage.php3?id=515 |
| 23:55.08 | |ryan| | I have to wonder why they're so cheap, though |
| 23:56.23 | arete | overproduction I'd guess |
| 23:56.32 | arete | got a 128 for $30 |