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00:42.20hobbsllo hardwire
00:42.28kergothhey hobbs
00:42.35hobbsllo kergoth
00:42.36hardwireheh
00:43.14hardwireWirelessSugarCream
00:43.14kergothhardwire: find me a job in CO so i can escape cold and tech support
00:43.15hardwirehows that for a nick
00:43.30hardwirekergoth: ok.. I know some people looking for mysql/php/linux teachers
00:43.46kergothteachers?
00:43.49kergothhm
00:43.58hardwireyeah.. scary
00:44.07hardwire$1600.00 per student per class
00:45.02hardwirethats how much the students pay.
00:45.12hardwireheh.. fuck.. I would teach for that much per student
00:46.52hardwireyay.. my cat hates oreos
00:46.56hardwire:)
00:47.07kollayay - yet another yay
00:47.11hardwirethats like.. one of the few "safe to eat around cat" foods
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01:02.07treke|whereverhmmm, anyone one know if the plucker support in opie-reader does images
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01:18.09Com[Plex]er...  quick question.. Im trying to make a script that will simplify mounting a samba share onto the zaurus from the command line. - uh, translation, I want to type on the command line; smbz sharename ; where sharename is obviously the name of the share.. since I have many shares,
01:18.16Com[Plex]I guess what Im saying is, in the smbz.sh file, I have a line; smbmount //my.ip.address/$1 /mnt/smb username=bleh,rw  - obviously theres something wrong with the $1.. whats the correct syntax?
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01:18.49Com[Plex]wait
01:18.51hobbs$1
01:19.37Com[Plex]hang on a sec. lloks like sthats working. why didnt it work before? - oooh...
01:20.36Com[Plex]thats weird. if IM not in the same folder as the smbz file, it says "cant open smbz"
01:22.43Com[Plex]ahh
01:22.59Com[Plex]I needed to put #!/bin/sh as the first line
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01:55.48KeyserSozeanyone have a serial cable from serialio?  it's supposed to not get in the way of the keyboard.
01:56.02KeyserSozeI just ordered one here: http://www.serialio.com/products/adaptors/ZThinCable.htm
01:57.09hobbsnope, I don't. I just want a thin usb cable.
01:57.53KeyserSozebah, usb is lame.  rs232 is the way of the future!
01:57.57KeyserSoze:p
01:57.59Com[Plex]hahahaha
01:58.13kollahm.. I was to order a battrey pack for my Z...
01:58.19kollabattery pack
02:02.24kollahm.. wasnt there one from sanyo that works with zaurus?
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02:04.07kollasamsung
02:04.10kollathere it is
02:05.22kollacool.. 1GB CF card :)
02:05.40hobbsyowza.
02:05.48kolla759EUR
02:05.51Com[Plex]http://www.erwincomputers.com/digdpnimexba1.html
02:06.10Com[Plex]heres your battery pack right there. even comes with an extra power adapter too.
02:06.30hobbskolla: the sad thing is that nowadays that means that it's even _more_ in dollars (assuming that it's over here, no guarantee of that)
02:06.55kolladollars? what, me worry? :)
02:07.21hobbsI'm stuck with 'em for the moment. >:)
02:07.49kollamm
02:07.53kolla512MB SD
02:07.59kolla579EUR
02:11.49kollabah... sucks.. they dont ship to norway!
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02:14.27kergothhey
02:14.47orcmanhey
02:17.41orcmananyone tried to put a Linksys wcf12 on a zaurus?
02:18.19kergothyep, works fine
02:18.28orcmannot on my zaurus
02:18.30kergoththoguh I hear it takes a bit of tweaking to get it working on the sharp rom. works out of the box in OZ
02:18.39PendalarI tried wcf11 and it's a bitc
02:18.41Pendalar+h
02:18.43orcmansometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt
02:18.47Pendalarhey kergy
02:19.19orcmani tweaked the sg-wlan.conf but it's intermittent
02:20.11kergothhey Pendalar
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02:23.20Pendalarabout time for rc2? ;-)
02:23.30PendalarI've been at work, out of the loop so to speak
02:23.50kergoththe TS driver in the new kernel is stilly flaky
02:23.54kergoths/stilly/still/
02:23.57kergothnot certain whats up
02:24.12Pendalarwell that's no good ;-)
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02:25.05Pendalaris there anyway to update a .ipk that doesn't happy feed build?
02:25.24Pendalarie a 99% chance the ____ is incorrect
02:25.38Pendalarsomething easily fixable I hope
02:25.39kergothrip it apart
02:25.41kergoththen rebuild it with ipkg-build
02:25.49kergothipkg-build will sanity check the control file for errors
02:25.59Pendalarway too many for that
02:26.05kergothnot if you automate :)
02:26.19Pendalarhm hm hm... I guess... tis more than I counted on
02:26.34kergothPendalar: ben meyer wrote a ipkg sanityc hecker
02:26.39kergothPendalar: for the zauruszone feed
02:26.41kergothPendalar: contact him
02:26.58Pendalarwhat's his irc nick?
02:27.11kergothbenmeyer
02:27.11Pendalarjic
02:27.11kergothand icefox
02:27.11kergothibot: benmeyer
02:27.13rumour has it, benmeyer is the guy that works at Sharp with Jason and runs the zauruszone feed and howtos
02:27.13Pendalarfigures =-P you guys are so bloody creative
02:27.13kergothibot: seen icefox
02:27.13icefox <~ben@gatekeepernj3.sharpsec.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 4h 59m 13s ago, saying: '^ from stdout'.
02:27.44PendalarI prefer irc but will email if necessary
02:28.05kergothibot: message for benmeyer: Pendalar was looking for you, re your ipkg sanity checking script you use for zauruszone.
02:28.10kergothibot: message for icefox: Pendalar was looking for you, re your ipkg sanity checking script you use for zauruszone.
02:28.13kergothheh
02:28.17kergothibot: botsnack
02:28.17:)
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02:31.33hobbsChemeleon: It's named 'evm'.
02:31.52Chemeleonso instead of java type in evm?
02:32.17hobbsyeah. And don't forget that it's a _small_ java. Nothing fancy. :)
02:32.32hobbs(well, I think it's PJ.)
02:32.56Chemeleonk, I'll give it a try, thanks :)
02:34.21Chemeleonjava.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: ScorchServer/ScorchServer
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02:51.30hobbslol! I am _so_ playing outrun on my Z.
02:51.36hobbsWell, sorta. It gets like 1fps. :)
02:54.44kollawrote them a nice mail, asking for them to please ship some products to me.. even though I am not in a EU country
02:54.58kollaeven wrote it in german :)
02:55.45kollait is so lame that there is no zaurus dealers in norway
02:56.39kollaconsidering that qpe and qt, as well as opera, are norwegian products
02:57.11kollatroll has even demoed the zaurus for the press here
02:57.20kollabut sell it? nah...
02:57.24kolladuh :)
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03:08.32kollaanyone have any experience with the clocking tools?
03:16.55Pendalarxavierxeons site moved?
03:18.46Pendalarah no he just renamed stuff
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03:30.22icefoxsomeone looking for me?
03:30.38icefoxhere is an amusing graph I generated
03:30.42icefoxhttp://kaylee.meyerhome.net:81/~ben/image001.gif
03:30.48icefoxof debian packages, what is used
03:31.09icefoxred is installed and using, yellow is installed, but not using, blue is just installed can't tell
03:33.11joshsmis anyone else having problems getting to opie.info?
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04:42.40Com[Plex]hey guys, does OZ sync with outlook and outlook express for win2k?
04:42.43Com[Plex]windows
04:43.37Com[Plex]how about windows xp.. not that it should be any different
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04:51.05LordDavonhello everyone
04:51.49Pendalarsup
04:52.23LordDavonNot too much
04:52.45LordDavonOn the C700 right now.  Trying out the wifi.
04:53.10Pendalarbastard =-(
04:53.20Pendalarlike it better than the 5600?
04:53.33Pendalarthe formfactor part anyways
04:53.39LordDavonyes
04:53.59Pendalarhmm I figured more people would enjoy the traditional PDA style
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04:57.44treke|homePendalar: It seem s rather traditional to me
04:58.00treke|homeits mostly screen :)
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04:59.16LordDavonIt turns and switches rotation if you want it that way
05:00.41Com[Plex]LordDavon: do yuo use it more in tablet mode or in mini laptop mode?
05:01.05Com[Plex]how much bigger / clunkier is it than the 5500/5600 ?
05:01.52LordDavonMini laptop unless I am playing Nethack.
05:02.30LordDavonIn tablet mode it is smaller then the 5500
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05:03.59LordDavonbrb.  Going to try another irc app
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05:09.41LordDavonThat is better
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05:11.37LordDavonThis is absolutely the best PDA!
05:11.39LordDavonheh
05:13.50Jen_S'Truth
05:16.02LordDavonI think I am heading to bed
05:16.25LordDavonNite everyone
05:23.12Jen_I'm pretty new to the Z and having what is probably a pretty basic networking problem.  Anyone feel up to tackling it?
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06:09.21Com[Plex]sure
06:09.25Com[Plex]DOh
06:09.46Com[Plex]I hate it when I miss someone whos got probs. - they mgiht sit around and pout, and hate the z.
06:09.55Com[Plex]and thats... just. ... wrong
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06:48.14FelixKatcan anyone tell me how to setup internet on the zaurus ... I have it to where I can sync through the usb but internet does not show on it
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07:33.58highpitch_homei can't reflash the rom still!!!!!
07:34.02highpitch_homehelp!!
07:35.20highpitch_homethe z is useless right nw
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08:00.10brlat:-)
08:00.45brlatanybody dere?
08:01.26brlatping?
08:01.32brlatpong?
08:01.46brlat:-[
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09:39.59IcanTalk2Compdoes Zaurus use NiMh?
09:40.44IcanTalk2Compomg this handheld cost as much as my 1.5 G 256 DDR PC
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17:17.12IR4070Hi all
17:17.25IR4070I have bought my zaurus today
17:17.31IR4070and I have some questions
17:17.39IR4070could anybody help me ?
17:18.37IR4070It is a 5500
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17:19.53yakitoI have bought it on germay by internet, but it is in german. I f I change the rom, it will change to english ?
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17:23.11yakitoanybody could help my solve my problems ?
17:23.24yakitoI want to know several thinga
17:23.31sjborchyakito: that makes sense to me.
17:23.41yakito1 Is it possible to update it using SD ?
17:24.28yakito2 I have bought my trough internet on Germany, and my zaurus is in German. I do not know german, then I would like to change it to english
17:24.37yakitoWhich ROM should I put on my zaurus
17:24.44sjborchyakito: I haven't tried (don't have SD)
17:25.07yakitoon www.zaurus.com there is a rom 2.38 but is says only for US models
17:25.14yakitowhich rom should I use ?
17:25.27sjborchyakito: 2.37.
17:25.53yakitowhich is the difference between 2.37 and 2.38 ?
17:27.23sjborch2.38 fixed a security hole \
17:27.43sjborchhttp://www.myzaurus.com/SecurityBulletin1.asp is the information.
17:28.26yakitoI have bought also a sandisk SD 128 Mb card
17:28.41yakitoit is 0210LQ, how could I know if it works fine
17:29.16sjborchThere's instructions on flashing the rom. Essentially you put the properly named image on the card and reset while holding down ctrl and c and d keys.
17:30.21sjborchThe Zaurus has to be plugged into power the whole time, too.
17:30.32yakitoI would prefer to test OpenZaurus, but I do not have compact flash card :(
17:30.40sjborchMy card wasn't properly formatted, and it wouldn't work on mine.
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17:31.22sjborchAh, perhaps we can't flash from SD? The CF cards are really cheap now, and you wouldn't need one much larger than 32 MB.
17:31.51sjborchBut it has to be formatted vfat, and preferably not reformatted.
17:33.21sjborchhttp://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/installguide
17:34.14yakitoOn their website they say that you have to use compact flash
17:34.51yakitothen I do not have compact flash now, then no way to try openzaurus until I buy a compact flash card
17:35.40yakitoI have bought a sandisk 128Mb SD, When I bought this memory unit I did not know that there were problems with SD
17:36.19yakitoAnd I would like to know if this card works fine with Zausus SL 5500
17:36.38yakitobecause I have one week to test it and return for refund
17:38.17yakitoI would like to update my rom to last version
17:38.38yakitoand have my zaurus changed to english (German is hard for me :) )
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17:41.10sjborchVisit the www.zauruszone.com for more information.
17:41.21yakitowhere should I go to get the european rom for zaurus
17:41.38yakitothanks sjborch, this is what I am doing now
17:42.03sjborchhttp://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=5031&s=f2af0f91b8bfc70b9efb2758aa8fc66f it doesn't look good for sandisk with 1.38
17:42.43yakitobut I am impatient with my new Zaurus
17:42.56yakitoit is incredible :P
17:44.26yakito4[sjborch4] Where should I look to get ROM for european zaurus and get my zaurus translated to english :D ?
17:45.20sjborchI don't know. I know that the US version lets you make european regional settings, such as currency, etc.
17:45.31sjborchTry searching google?
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17:46.58sjborchThey're not very helpful at Sharp. It just says US Models only and there's no like to the international versions.
17:49.05yakitoon google I have no luck
17:49.11sjborchyakito: Have you tried http://www.sharp-eu.com/
17:49.23yakitogoing there now :P
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17:51.16warmihi
17:51.42yakitohi warmi
17:51.50sjborchyakito: Not much help there, either.
17:52.19yakitoon the spanish page there is no mection of zaurus :(
17:58.13yakitoThere is on this chanel nobody with european model that has updated its zaurus ???
17:59.03warmiwhat is European model ?
17:59.08warmiA 5500G ?
17:59.56yakitoyes
18:09.17yakitoI do not know if there is a European version of the zaurus, but on the zaurus page they state that the rom 2.38 is ONLY for US models
18:09.34yakitoMine has been bought in Germany, THUS european :P
18:12.38sjborchyakito: he he, I'm downloading files to my CF, then installing them on the Zaurus.
18:12.55sjborchI left the cradle at work. (and I'm not going to spend $50 for another cradle!)
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18:15.55yakitosjborch: Just falling in frustation :(. I do NOT understand that Sharp says on its page that rom is only for US model, and it does not specify where should I look for a rom to update my european zaurus.
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18:16.26yakitoIf there is no european zaurus, then why are they saying only for US models
18:16.31sjborchyakito: exactly. I don't know what's different in the US model.
18:16.59yakitoI will have to wait to have a CF card to update my zaurus
18:17.22sjborchI had a 32Mb around here somewhere...
18:17.24yakitoAnd I will try with openzaurus, they seem to be more active that sharp zaurus team
18:17.51yakitosjborch: send it to me by DCC :P
18:18.12sjborchor should I fax it? :)
18:18.16yakito:D
18:18.35yakitosjborch: I have to go. Thanks a lot for your help
18:18.43sjborchyou're welcome. later.
18:18.51yakitociao
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18:39.12djk-hwibot seen bigboss
18:39.13bigboss <~shawn@ip68-4-243-218.oc.oc.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 2d 19m 18s ago, saying: 'yea, me too'.
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18:47.31Bovineanyone have the URL for the Zaurus Serial Cable Mod?
18:47.36erikdgot my new server up and running!
18:47.37Bovinegoogle isn't helping :/
18:47.38erikdyay!
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18:50.38kollayet another yay
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18:55.01treke|homewow. pluckers desktop app is actually rather nice
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18:55.35sjborchibot seen Automaton
18:55.36sjborch: i haven't seen 'automaton'
18:56.02sjborchibot seen Automaton
18:56.02sjborch: i haven't seen 'automaton'
18:56.16Bovineibot fucking serial cable
18:56.17Bovine: wish i knew
18:56.22Bovineibot serial
18:56.23extra, extra, read all about it, serial is A means of operation meaning in series, or one after the other. or http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?SerialPort
18:56.32Bovinegrr
19:00.07sjborchvas iz zis "ibot"?
19:02.34Bovineibot ibot
19:02.35somebody said ibot was a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/
19:03.52sjborchthat's pretty cool. I think.
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19:46.22sjborchbotbot botbot
19:46.50sjborchjust a mozilla thing, I guess.
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20:01.30sjborchibot seen lilo
20:01.34lilo <levin@lilo.staff.freenode> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 4d 14m 17s ago, saying: 'sjborch: thanks!'.
20:04.22Bovineanyone know if IDE > CF Adaptors exist?
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20:28.40Hellaenergyanyone else here have trouble installing the kismet package
20:28.51Hellaenergykismet_zaurus_2.8.0b_arm.ipk
20:31.06Bovinewhat probs?
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20:32.57HellaenergyBowine: its says that ipkg says something when wrong
20:34.27Bovineoh, your using the GUI?
20:34.51Hellaenergysure
20:35.15HellaenergyHow do you do it from the command line?
20:35.26Bovineipkg install bleh.ipk
20:36.18HellaenergyIs that a no no to do it fro the gui?
20:36.42Bovineno, command line might give you more verbose messages as to what went wrong
20:36.47Bovinebut then again it may not :P
20:38.27Hellaenergywhat are some good networks to put in the install pakages from network
20:40.32HellaenergyBrvine: It worked from the command line :)
20:40.35Hellaenergywth
20:52.54Hellaenergywhat is libz.so.1?
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21:40.39fishyhttp://www.riaa.org
21:40.45fishyhehe
21:40.50fishygot hacked
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21:52.11Pendalarthat's pretty sweet
21:53.12mobiletoolanybody ordered the 5600 from ebay
21:53.40frankpsWhats the price?
21:53.59mobiletool~425
21:54.41mobiletoolfirst time to #zaurus...how do u like the Z
21:55.19mobiletoolbtw, i am using tkcJabber to chat
21:55.40frankpsnice
21:55.57frankpsthe price is not to bad
21:56.19fishythe 5600 is out??
21:56.28frankpswill see. still running the dev ed
21:56.31fishyin US?
21:57.28PendalarI thought it would be out in feb
21:57.32Pendalarbut I don't get out much
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21:59.26mobiletoolthe guy on ebay said that it will be shipped end of jan
22:03.04frankpshm. I didnt find it
22:03.32treke|homeyou gonna trust some guy on ebay to know when its gonna be relased :)
22:04.34mobiletoolthats why i didn't buy it
22:05.26mobiletool;)
22:08.13frankpsdo you have one now zaurus mobiletool?
22:09.39mobiletoolu meant 5500?
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22:15.55frankpsyes or 5000
22:16.33mobiletooli have a 5500
22:16.44mobiletoollove it so far
22:17.01frankps:)
22:18.33fishyim waiting for 5600
22:18.45fishyI dont have a Z yet :(
22:20.13SuKoShibut keys and zaurus don"t like each others
22:20.20SuKoShii got mine for 2 weeks
22:20.29SuKoShiand there is little scratches:(
22:20.53SuKoShi(and moreover, the Z keys are being pressed often, so it drains the battery)
22:21.16ljptrue that
22:21.40SuKoShieven if the 1700Mah battery is cool ;)
22:22.11mobiletoolthe only the 5500 i wanted to have is ext. mic and spkr
22:22.20SuKoShiFYI my Z feels very good with a swpa parittion i've done on my 32Mb CF
22:22.44SuKoShiB500/5600 is 5500 with mic and speaker
22:22.47SuKoShibut internal
22:22.53SuKoShino ext. mic possible
22:23.25SuKoShido you have clues for a good case for Z?
22:24.24ljpnot really, I heard that some palm cases fit
22:24.29SuKoShithe more i use my Z the most i feel it is slow
22:24.49SuKoShiPXA250 unoptimized code
22:26.43prpplagueSuKoShi: your gonna burn up your cf card
22:26.45ljpthe 5600 wont be xscale optimized
22:27.46SuKoShiprpplague: really?
22:28.09prpplagueSuKoShi: flash devices have a limited number of writes
22:28.09SuKoShiljp: yes i know as the B500 is japanese 5600
22:28.41SuKoShiprpplague: i know, i just hope that it'll work for one year, that should be enoguh
22:29.09prpplagueSuKoShi: depends on how much you use the thing
22:29.23ljpwithout xscale optimizing, its really on a marketting gimick to have xscale
22:29.39ljponly a.. not on a
22:30.12SuKoShii heard that the problem is that if they used pxa optimisation, they will not be backward compatibility with sl5x00D
22:30.43SuKoShithere will not (sorry i'm french)
22:30.56hobbsyou had it right the first time. :)
22:31.09SuKoShireally?
22:31.14SuKoShilol
22:31.36hobbsinteresting...
22:31.40SuKoShiso i'm good on the first time (let's say this to my wife :p)
22:32.08mobiletoolwe will see how well thr 5600 or C700 perform when they come out
22:32.08SuKoShisososo, i do pray for OZ team to release soon OZ for PXA processors
22:32.38ljpI think they might be working on it at some level
22:32.43SuKoShi(i don't care having to recompile the softs i used, by the way)
22:32.46ljpbut no one has hardware
22:32.56SuKoShii do, but i'm not in USA
22:33.12mobiletoolanybody knows when the new sharp rom will be out...or will it be out even
22:33.33SuKoShiwhixh new romset?
22:33.39SuKoShi-x+c
22:33.56SuKoShihobbs : that time i wasn't right ;)
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22:36.11hobbswb, services. :P
22:36.13SuKoShihi troffasky
22:36.23troffaskyhi
22:36.46troffaskyyou rang?
22:37.04mobiletoolsharp US rom
22:38.56SuKoShiok
22:39.05SuKoShibut i think it will not be PXA optimized too
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22:51.59mobiletoolwill i be able to get the new opera for handheld when it comes out
22:52.25mobiletoolis it a free upgrade or do i have to purchase it
22:52.48SuKoShiB500 does not come with opera
22:52.53SuKoShibut Netfront from access
23:00.01ljpnetfront?
23:00.22ljpis that qtopia based?
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23:09.15SuKoShino
23:09.35SuKoShiit is a proprietary soiftware from a japanese company called access
23:10.04SuKoShihttp://www.access.co.jp/remarkable/nf.html
23:11.06SuKoShii really hope that it will be the 5600's browser
23:11.14SuKoShias it is very good
23:20.09ljpoh, I was asking if the b500 is qtopia based
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23:29.33treke|homeljp: yeah its the japanese 5600
23:29.34treke|homemore or less
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