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| 07:10.17 | *** topic/#zaurus is Sharp 5000d/5500/5600/A300/C700/etc Discussion - http://developer.sharpsec.com/ || http://MyZaurus.com/ || OpenZaurus 3.0 is released! #OpenZaurus || SL-5600 announced || NEW: screenshots section on openzaurus.org || WWW.ZAURUSVIP.COM : code VS0002 for a $249 5500 Ends Dec 6th || The Zaurus ROM poll: http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?s=701e272b537a4954fa951ac6f633b685&act=ST&f=11&t=4821 |
| 07:10.18 | Com[Plex] | whsts stopping you from trying out oz3? |
| 07:10.22 | kolla | since.. like.. uhm.. July? |
| 07:10.30 | Com[Plex] | id. the drive is great in a laptop. |
| 07:10.38 | id | hrmph |
| 07:10.42 | kolla | Com[Plex]: been running OZ since august :) |
| 07:10.48 | id | thanks tho |
| 07:10.51 | id | nite nite |
| 07:11.03 | Com[Plex] | I used to bitch about the symlink stuff. then I went to oz3 and my problems dissapeared |
| 07:11.37 | Com[Plex] | I have a 5000d, with the 32mb zimage. - so its all ram, no storage. |
| 07:11.43 | kolla | I keep bitiching, cause imho it's a lousy workaround on some fundamental issue :) |
| 07:11.47 | Com[Plex] | I have installed eery single application to SD. |
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| 07:12.14 | Com[Plex] | an my /opt is right there in the root. not moved |
| 07:12.34 | kolla | and what happens when you remove your SD? :) |
| 07:13.01 | Com[Plex] | first, why would I want to? |
| 07:13.02 | kolla | this wicked little daemon will run around deleting your symlinks? |
| 07:13.12 | Com[Plex] | many of my icons dissapear. |
| 07:13.13 | kolla | to insert some other SD card :) |
| 07:13.18 | Com[Plex] | ? |
| 07:13.27 | *** join/#zaurus boulez (boulez@roc-24-58-67-49.rochester.rr.com) |
| 07:13.28 | Com[Plex] | no. once I plug it back in, thigns go back to normal |
| 07:13.30 | kolla | you know, it is possible to have _more_ SD cards :) |
| 07:13.33 | Com[Plex] | boulez. wasap |
| 07:13.37 | boulez | hi there |
| 07:14.01 | kolla | hehe.. my Z will go to console mode once I rip out the SD card |
| 07:14.01 | Com[Plex] | kolla: if you made a symlink to a mounted share. then you unmounted that share. would your symlinks vanish? |
| 07:14.14 | Com[Plex] | well kolla. that doesnt sound healthy |
| 07:14.24 | kolla | ofcourse that's being evil since the filsystem in use doesnt really support hot-swapping |
| 07:15.12 | kolla | if you install bunchloads of apps on a SD card on one Z and then stuffed that SD card into a different Z.. what will happen? |
| 07:15.22 | Com[Plex] | maybe you should consider restoring your directory structure to its default. |
| 07:15.35 | kolla | will those apps installed on the SD be magically avaibnle on the new Z? |
| 07:15.43 | Com[Plex] | well kolla, when you went into the package manager, it would find the isntalled files on the z, and it woudl beleive they were installed. |
| 07:15.52 | kolla | nah.. what I have suits me fine |
| 07:15.59 | Com[Plex] | bt they woudlnt be available, becayse the desktop links werent built yet |
| 07:16.11 | Com[Plex] | [02:18] <kolla> hehe.. my Z will go to console mode once I rip out the SD card |
| 07:16.11 | Com[Plex] | [02:20] <kolla> nah.. what I have suits me fine |
| 07:16.11 | kolla | so? |
| 07:16.19 | kolla | yep |
| 07:16.27 | Com[Plex] | ahh yes. lets break it, and say "suits me just fine": |
| 07:16.29 | kolla | very nice when opie hangs |
| 07:16.41 | kolla | opie hangs.. I rip out SD card and tada.. console |
| 07:16.59 | Com[Plex] | sorry. Im outa line. |
| 07:17.04 | kolla | stuff in the card, remount and restart opie |
| 07:17.39 | kolla | maybe be nice to it and run fsck on it before mounting :) |
| 07:18.04 | Com[Plex] | hey boulez. hows it hangin? |
| 07:18.21 | kolla | dont use the Z for anything serious anyways.. just a fancy mp3/ogg player I can play games, browse porn and irc from :) |
| 07:18.40 | kolla | the PIM software is "mostly useless" anyways |
| 07:18.50 | RockGtrSeattle | ack! |
| 07:18.51 | boulez | hey man. going pretty well |
| 07:18.52 | kolla | except from IQnotes, which is really nice |
| 07:19.06 | RockGtrSeattle | I *wanna* use the Z for serious stuff.. otherwise what's the point? |
| 07:19.07 | boulez | I'm procrastinating real work so I can keep researching the Zaurus |
| 07:19.21 | kolla | RockGtrSeattle: no fun in serious stuff :) |
| 07:19.29 | kolla | need to have some fun too |
| 07:19.36 | RockGtrSeattle | well, yea.. |
| 07:19.46 | RockGtrSeattle | but I wanna use it for *work*, too! |
| 07:19.47 | RockGtrSeattle | ;) |
| 07:19.47 | boulez | Please tell me I'm not the only person with this problem - every couple months I get OBSESSED with some piece of gear. Spend hours reading about it before buying. That's not healthy. |
| 07:19.54 | kolla | wanna be serious.. get a no-nonsense palm :) |
| 07:20.04 | RockGtrSeattle | i do the same thing boulez |
| 07:20.08 | RockGtrSeattle | you can bond here with me.. ;) |
| 07:20.09 | boulez | ok good |
| 07:20.12 | boulez | whew |
| 07:20.16 | treke|home | RockGtrSeattle: Put open Zaurus on then, OPIE gets real work done for me :) |
| 07:20.18 | boulez | we should start some 12-step program or something |
| 07:20.30 | RockGtrSeattle | nah.. |
| 07:20.36 | RockGtrSeattle | that would imply we have a problem.. ;) |
| 07:20.44 | RockGtrSeattle | we can quit *any time we want to* |
| 07:20.45 | RockGtrSeattle | :D |
| 07:20.49 | boulez | hehehe |
| 07:20.53 | boulez | you a musician? |
| 07:20.53 | kolla | "My name is kolla.. and I'm a geekdaget-aholic" |
| 07:20.59 | kolla | now, your turn |
| 07:21.04 | treke|home | there's no problem |
| 07:21.06 | RockGtrSeattle | "hi kolla.. we LOVE you... " |
| 07:21.11 | kolla | =) |
| 07:21.19 | treke|home | not as long as you keep getting your gadgets, that is |
| 07:21.28 | boulez | or you go broke |
| 07:21.54 | RockGtrSeattle | I've done the same thing for years... drives the wife nutz.... then she got used to it... then I said.. y'know I really don't have any interest in buying anything out there right now... |
| 07:21.59 | RockGtrSeattle | she wanted me to see a counselor.. ;) |
| 07:22.01 | boulez | If zaurusvip had 'em in stock, it'd be all over. The fact that there's a wait is the only thing keeping me from ordering |
| 07:22.13 | RockGtrSeattle | same here.. ;) |
| 07:22.24 | boulez | you don't have one yet either? |
| 07:22.27 | kolla | oh.. my ssh compile.. I almost forgot |
| 07:22.34 | RockGtrSeattle | nope... |
| 07:22.44 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 07:22.52 | RockGtrSeattle | I saw the announcement about the 5600 and decided to wait. |
| 07:22.55 | boulez | treke|home: you're definitely right. I'm just trying to find some place that can match that |
| 07:22.57 | treke|home | Thats a rather significant savings :) |
| 07:23.03 | RockGtrSeattle | but.. 249 as apposed to 500+.. wow. |
| 07:23.09 | kolla | I bet this make will fail real soon though |
| 07:23.10 | Com[Plex] | yeah. heh. I think there is going to eb a constant wait for these now. like there was on the ipaq or so long. |
| 07:23.12 | boulez | yeah, insanity |
| 07:23.30 | kolla | but who knows.. maybe the ssh types are smart and supports odd platforms |
| 07:23.34 | RockGtrSeattle | I'll still wait for the 5600 tho. |
| 07:23.41 | boulez | the 5600 looks nice, but I don't want to spend that kind of cash |
| 07:23.44 | RockGtrSeattle | or maybe the c700... ;) |
| 07:23.47 | Com[Plex] | NO one got there ipaqs when they first ordered them. EVeryons was on backorder. |
| 07:23.48 | treke|home | boulez: Probably not going to find anyone that will match sharp's comdex discount :) |
| 07:23.51 | boulez | and the price on the 5500 is sure to keep dropping |
| 07:23.59 | boulez | treke|home: right, right...I need to just give in |
| 07:24.10 | ChipX86|Coding | what's the expected price of the 5600? |
| 07:24.18 | boulez | 5ish I think |
| 07:24.19 | RockGtrSeattle | i've heard 499-599 |
| 07:24.29 | boulez | that's way more than I want to spend |
| 07:24.35 | treke|home | typical new pocket pc price |
| 07:24.35 | ChipX86|Coding | ok, not bad. I still can't afford it, but it'll drop in time I'm sure |
| 07:24.50 | boulez | palmos5 is pretty slick |
| 07:25.00 | kolla | just a few days so that I'm positive that it's crap |
| 07:25.04 | kolla | (too) |
| 07:25.18 | RockGtrSeattle | yea PalmOS 5 is nice... it's damn fast... |
| 07:25.27 | RockGtrSeattle | but there's not much *else* there that appeals to me. |
| 07:25.37 | kolla | well, it doesnt suffer from al lthe legacy frap |
| 07:25.40 | boulez | right. It's still palm, which means you hit the function wall pretty fast |
| 07:25.51 | kolla | it's more like BeOS |
| 07:25.52 | Com[Plex] | oooh, well said boulez |
| 07:26.10 | treke|home | palms are good at what they are meant to do, and thats about it :) |
| 07:26.14 | RockGtrSeattle | I have a Handera 330 and I'm not really intersted in upgrading from that... |
| 07:26.36 | RockGtrSeattle | unless the upgrade was to a Z5600, perhaps.. ;) |
| 07:26.37 | boulez | right. I have a super-old handspring 2 meg visor. It's killer for keeping me from falling apart, but it's pretty much just that. |
| 07:27.15 | kolla | uhm.. those devices you mention arent really relevant when we talk about beos^h^h^h^hpalmos5 on strongarm |
| 07:27.20 | RockGtrSeattle | I had a visor pro.. I'll never buy another handspring product again... discon' the springboard slot.. the fuckers.. |
| 07:27.50 | boulez | i never ended up using my springboard slot |
| 07:27.57 | RockGtrSeattle | actually beos will be PalmOS 6... |
| 07:28.00 | treke|home | I never thought the springboard stuff was gonna make it |
| 07:28.07 | boulez | it didn't really make it |
| 07:28.17 | treke|home | seemed to be too proprietary |
| 07:28.18 | RockGtrSeattle | I thought it would.. color me naive I guess.. ;) |
| 07:28.34 | boulez | they put out a phone, but the service plans were insane |
| 07:28.43 | RockGtrSeattle | I had the phone. |
| 07:28.46 | boulez | and some other misc. crap, but nothing really incredible |
| 07:28.51 | boulez | yeah? did you like it? |
| 07:29.01 | RockGtrSeattle | sure.. worked great for wireless internet, etc... |
| 07:29.23 | RockGtrSeattle | but it was a bit flaky for coverage in some areas.. so I got a 'conventional' phone and called it good. |
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| 07:29.50 | boulez | For a while I've been thinking that I wanted to hold out until I could get a phone/pda combo. But I think the form factor issues just isn't there yet. PDAs and phones want to be different shapes from one another. Mixing just seems to screw everything up. |
| 07:30.05 | kolla_ | typical.. gcc did something nasty |
| 07:30.36 | RockGtrSeattle | those treo communicators are a joke.. they're like a lil toy.. I was a afraid I'd crush one when I first held it. |
| 07:31.04 | boulez | yep |
| 07:31.17 | RockGtrSeattle | and they're answer to no HWR? rip out the grafiti area and stuff a keyboard on it... great.. great fuggin idea. |
| 07:31.19 | RockGtrSeattle | tards |
| 07:31.26 | kolla | boulez: phone size device with option to put output on your glasses or beam pictures directly into your eye to give you the visual interface of a desktop machine |
| 07:31.45 | RockGtrSeattle | have to put my fingers into a pencil sharpener just to push the buttons on that 'keyboard' |
| 07:31.52 | kolla | and virtual keyboard |
| 07:32.08 | boulez | kolla: mmmmm |
| 07:32.10 | boulez | that'd be nice |
| 07:32.11 | kolla | tap your fingers on your lap |
| 07:32.25 | kolla | boulez: it's what is coming |
| 07:32.39 | boulez | sounds a little ways off, but cool as hell |
| 07:32.53 | kolla | watch TV while you're on the bus |
| 07:33.01 | kolla | or browse porn, ofcourse |
| 07:33.04 | kolla | :) |
| 07:33.04 | boulez | hehehe |
| 07:33.11 | RockGtrSeattle | pr0n r00lz ;) |
| 07:33.12 | kolla | or both at once |
| 07:33.18 | RockGtrSeattle | hey.. |
| 07:33.25 | RockGtrSeattle | a new meaning for phone sex |
| 07:33.28 | kolla | porn and military drives the technology these days |
| 07:33.32 | boulez | hehehe |
| 07:33.50 | kolla | the rest of the .com went downhill, but the porn.com remains |
| 07:34.16 | RockGtrSeattle | only solid .com investment.. virtual p00n |
| 07:34.27 | kolla | yep |
| 07:34.52 | RockGtrSeattle | remember kids: profit from human vice is g00d. |
| 07:35.23 | kolla | I read in some IT journal that every fifth ex .com tech worker had found their next job in the porn industry.. hilarious :) |
| 07:35.59 | RockGtrSeattle | really? cool.. I wonder if they get to take home free product... or maybe even some of the 'talent'.. ;) |
| 07:36.02 | boulez | so the only differences between the 5500 and the 5600 are the memory size and the processor, right? |
| 07:36.10 | tez | Larger battery too. |
| 07:36.13 | kolla | battery |
| 07:36.13 | boulez | ah ok |
| 07:36.16 | tez | And mic and speaker. |
| 07:36.18 | RockGtrSeattle | and there's a speaker and mic |
| 07:36.19 | kolla | and speaker and mic |
| 07:36.22 | tez | ha ha! |
| 07:36.24 | kolla | hehe |
| 07:36.26 | tez | First post! |
| 07:36.27 | boulez | ah yes |
| 07:36.29 | boulez | lol |
| 07:36.32 | kolla | is there an echo in here? :) |
| 07:36.36 | kolla | no bluetooth though |
| 07:36.39 | RockGtrSeattle | frost pist! |
| 07:36.40 | RockGtrSeattle | ;) |
| 07:36.50 | boulez | but you can get bluetooth cf cards, right? |
| 07:36.57 | RockGtrSeattle | for any of you slashdot fans in the room.. |
| 07:37.03 | kolla | reminds me I should pester socket communication again for windows drivers |
| 07:37.13 | boulez | man, I try to keep up on tech but I don't know shit about the wireless world. |
| 07:37.18 | tez | I *really* can't decide if I should wait for the 5600. Someone tell me it's not worth the wait. |
| 07:37.29 | treke|home | its not worth the wait |
| 07:37.36 | kolla | oddly enough the CD that came with the BT card only had pocketpc/wince drivers.. nothing for win2k |
| 07:37.43 | tez | What are people getting for their battery life, continuous use? |
| 07:37.46 | kolla | had to register and "order" them |
| 07:37.54 | treke|home | tez: 0 hours |
| 07:37.54 | tez | treke|home: Cheers :) |
| 07:38.04 | kolla | but so far all I got was a reply that said my order had been recieved |
| 07:38.17 | kolla | and a frigging advertising crapola in the mail |
| 07:38.50 | boulez | have any of you ordered from zaurusvip? |
| 07:39.09 | kolla | find it strange that they find it worth while to send me some nonsense plastic gismo in the mail, but no drivers that I asked fore |
| 07:40.42 | kolla | sunday morning.. time to wake up the neighbours with some AC/DC before the churchbells does |
| 07:40.50 | kolla | do |
| 07:40.56 | RockGtrSeattle | cool! |
| 07:40.59 | treke|home | hehe |
| 07:42.41 | RockGtrSeattle | any Newton users here have Outlink by any chance? |
| 07:44.08 | RockGtrSeattle | i'll take that as a 'no'.. ;) |
| 07:44.12 | boulez | hehehe |
| 07:47.24 | RockGtrSeattle | someone has ported Ogg to the PalmOS and all I can ask is WHY??!?!? |
| 07:47.50 | kolla | to play ogg files, I can imagine |
| 07:48.04 | RockGtrSeattle | on that POS little "beep beep |
| 07:48.09 | RockGtrSeattle | on that POS little "beep beep" speaker?!?! |
| 07:48.10 | kolla | ehm.. |
| 07:48.20 | kolla | the new palms are just as powerfull as any other PDA |
| 07:48.28 | RockGtrSeattle | oh well, the new ones.. ok. |
| 07:48.32 | kolla | 206MHz SA1110 |
| 07:48.37 | RockGtrSeattle | I know I know.. |
| 07:48.38 | kolla | also, there was the Sony Clie |
| 07:49.11 | kolla | which had a DSP only for decoding/mixing music :) |
| 07:50.02 | boulez | I just bought my fiance one of the entry-level Clies. It's really pretty nice, for a simple PDA |
| 07:53.19 | boulez | ? |
| 07:53.20 | kolla | a PDA should be simple :) |
| 07:53.32 | boulez | well... |
| 07:53.41 | boulez | the zaurus isn't simple |
| 07:53.46 | RockGtrSeattle | like a newton? ;) |
| 07:55.03 | RockGtrSeattle | well, g'nite all.. |
| 07:55.06 | RockGtrSeattle | take it easy. |
| 07:55.06 | boulez | later |
| 08:05.28 | tez | TheMasterMind1: You still there? |
| 08:06.30 | boulez | hmmm.... |
| 08:06.39 | boulez | lots of folks in the channel, but no one's around |
| 08:07.43 | tez | boulez: You using a wifi card with your Zaurus? |
| 08:08.05 | boulez | I don't even have a Zaurus... ;) |
| 08:08.12 | tez | Oh, sorry. |
| 08:08.20 | boulez | I just come in here to see what other folks think of them. I'm still debating whether or not to buy one. |
| 08:08.28 | tez | Why am I sorry? *I* don't have a zaurus. |
| 08:08.37 | boulez | Ha! |
| 08:08.47 | tez | yeah, me too. I have a *really* strong urge to go buy one today. |
| 08:08.52 | boulez | i hear that |
| 08:09.10 | boulez | I want to wait at least until monday and see if zaurusvip gets them back in stock |
| 08:09.19 | boulez | that price is WAY too good to go anywhere else |
| 08:09.32 | tez | It's Sunday, there's a road about 3 mins away that has rows of computer stores, and I might be tempted to go in and at least browse. |
| 08:09.44 | tez | URL for zaurusvip? |
| 08:09.58 | tez | Oh, is that the Sharp condex deal thingy? |
| 08:10.01 | boulez | it's in the topic - www.zaurusvip.com |
| 08:10.02 | boulez | yeah |
| 08:10.04 | tez | s/condex/comdex |
| 08:10.04 | boulez | $250 |
| 08:10.09 | boulez | insanity |
| 08:10.12 | tez | Yeah, that *is* a good deal. |
| 08:10.19 | tez | Do you know if they ship to the UK? |
| 08:10.21 | boulez | It's like $100 better than anywhere else |
| 08:10.26 | boulez | I don't know. You're in the UK? |
| 08:10.30 | tez | Yeah. |
| 08:10.51 | boulez | hmmm...they might. It's Sharp themselves though, so you'd probably have to order through the .uk site |
| 08:11.18 | tez | And since electronic retailers seem to think GBP1 == US$1, getting from overseas is usually worth it. |
| 08:11.24 | boulez | hehehe |
| 08:11.38 | tez | Yeah, the sharp uk site doesn't really beat the high street retailers. |
| 08:11.50 | boulez | I was just in Tokyo a couple months ago but I wasn't shopping for one then. I'm kicking myself now.... |
| 08:12.20 | tez | Well, the SL series isn't actually marketted in Japan. According to what I've read, anyway. |
| 08:12.35 | boulez | there are other versions for the Japanese market |
| 08:13.06 | tez | Yeah, but they don't have Linux on them. And that's one of the main features fo me. |
| 08:13.11 | boulez | ahhhh |
| 08:13.15 | boulez | i didn't realize that |
| 08:13.29 | tez | They even have a different CPU, according to http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/sections/general.php3. |
| 08:13.36 | boulez | yeah, that's pretty cool. In theory, it'll never stop getting new apps |
| 08:13.39 | tez | So OZ doesn't look like an option. |
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| 08:15.13 | boulez | hi ZKhensU |
| 08:15.41 | ZKhensU | 'lo |
| 08:16.39 | boulez | how's it going? |
| 08:17.41 | ZKhensU | fine |
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| 08:45.16 | sig | in html, what spaces an object? |
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| 09:02.55 | tez | Has everyone gone to bed? |
| 09:03.27 | sig | tez: |
| 09:03.40 | sig | read this first story on http://sig.ath.cx |
| 09:03.42 | sig | hehe |
| 09:09.36 | tez | Starbucks are charging for access? |
| 09:10.22 | tez | That must slightly annoy those who were used to the free access... |
| 09:10.48 | tez | Anyway, I was wondering about SD/MMC cards for the Zaurus. Does it matter which kind you get (SD or MMC) or which brand? |
| 09:12.24 | sig | I have SD |
| 09:12.27 | sig | I don't think it matters |
| 09:12.39 | sig | you still have to mkisofs ext2 or some shit |
| 09:12.46 | sig | its been a long time since I've got a new card dude |
| 09:13.10 | tez | I see. |
| 09:13.43 | tez | And the thing about the slot being non-secure compatible. Presumably all SD cards will work, just that the Z can't do 'secure' stuff on them, right? |
| 09:14.02 | sig | beats me |
| 09:14.03 | sig | heh |
| 09:14.14 | tez | Ah |
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| 11:58.34 | mark_ | ah, great. my ~ partition is buggered |
| 11:59.49 | mark_ | happens every time I try to install windows :( |
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| 12:19.37 | SillyZ | mornin yall |
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| 12:27.37 | npa | hi |
| 12:28.41 | npa | I'm europeen, do somebody knows if the MERLIN G100 or the AirCard 750 works with zaurus (GSM/GPRS card) ? |
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| 13:22.28 | vandal | anyone have libsdl available? |
| 13:24.41 | SillyZ | mornin |
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| 14:47.07 | SillyZ | *sigh* |
| 14:47.21 | SillyZ | just bought zstyle for the Z off handago and its bout worthless as hell |
| 14:47.48 | ljp | why's that? |
| 14:47.56 | SillyZ | dosent run |
| 14:48.22 | ljp | email the author, he'll help/fix it |
| 14:48.22 | sandman__ | SillyZ: Did you follow the instructions at http://www.softforge.de/zstyle ? |
| 14:48.27 | SillyZ | yup |
| 14:48.29 | ljp | heheh |
| 14:48.39 | sandman__ | SillyZ: What "does not run" ? |
| 14:48.44 | SillyZ | zstyle |
| 14:48.47 | SillyZ | period |
| 14:48.51 | sandman__ | The settings application ? |
| 14:49.00 | SillyZ | themes |
| 14:49.34 | sandman__ | zstyle is the loader and settings application |
| 14:49.42 | sandman__ | zstyle-theme is the themeing *engine* |
| 14:49.47 | SillyZ | oh nice |
| 14:49.51 | SillyZ | I gotta buy both of em |
| 14:49.53 | SillyZ | gret |
| 14:49.56 | sandman__ | zstyle-theme-ixpe is the only current available Theme |
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| 14:50.13 | sandman__ | SillyZ: Read http://www.softforge.de/zstyle |
| 14:50.20 | sandman__ | It's all on this page |
| 14:50.57 | sandman__ | SillyZ: You can of course compile the themestyle yourself (link to the source is on this page too) |
| 14:51.39 | sandman__ | SillyZ: The only thing that is not GPL'ed/QPL'ed is the style loader (zstyle) |
| 14:53.01 | zecke | sandman__: ping |
| 14:53.08 | sandman__ | zecke: pong |
| 14:53.16 | sandman__ | nick /sandman_ |
| 14:53.32 | zecke | sandman__: do you think mmpaing the 'PIM' XML files can speed up loading? |
| 14:54.01 | zecke | sandman_: just finished the Chapter about mmap and fcntl and much more UNIX IO stuff |
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| 14:54.05 | George- | Hello |
| 14:56.33 | ljp | I think we need to sprinkle shmget() around |
| 14:57.07 | SillyZ | # ipkg install zstyle_1.0.0-1_arm.ipk |
| 14:57.07 | SillyZ | Unpacking zstyle...Done. |
| 14:57.07 | SillyZ | Configuring zstyle...tar: ./debian-binary: input/output error -- Read-only file system |
| 14:57.07 | SillyZ | tar: Bad tar header, skipping |
| 14:57.07 | SillyZ | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 14:57.09 | SillyZ | very very nice |
| 14:57.11 | SillyZ | grrrrrrr |
| 14:57.57 | sandman_ | SillyZ: Which ROM do you use ? |
| 14:59.06 | SillyZ | sharps |
| 14:59.10 | sandman_ | 2.38 ? |
| 14:59.45 | SillyZ | 2.37 |
| 15:00.14 | ljp | sandman: did you use -classic when you made the ipk? |
| 15:00.31 | sandman_ | ljp: Yes .. and it only chocked at the configuring: stage |
| 15:00.45 | sandman_ | So in theory it should be installed |
| 15:01.00 | SillyZ | 2.37 is the latest |
| 15:01.14 | sandman_ | Didn't get this error on my 2.38 ROM (and my beta tester didn't report any problem either) |
| 15:01.26 | SillyZ | you have the 2.38 rom ? |
| 15:01.33 | SillyZ | only thing I see on sharps site is 2.37 |
| 15:01.37 | sandman_ | SillyZ: 2.38 is the latest |
| 15:01.42 | SillyZ | where can I get 2.38 then ? |
| 15:02.19 | ljp | myzaurus.com ?? maybe |
| 15:02.23 | sandman_ | SillyZ: http://www.myzaurus.com/ROMupdate4.asp |
| 15:03.18 | SillyZ | thanks sandman |
| 15:03.27 | sandman_ | np |
| 15:03.29 | SillyZ | means Ill have to reflash and resetup my entire unit...... |
| 15:03.30 | SillyZ | grrr |
| 15:03.52 | sandman_ | SillyZ: ZSTyle should work on the 2.37 ROM too |
| 15:04.15 | SillyZ | keyword = should |
| 15:04.20 | SillyZ | :) |
| 15:04.28 | SillyZ | and in the real world, it dont |
| 15:04.31 | sandman_ | Try it out ... install it and Terminate Qtopia |
| 15:04.45 | SillyZ | did |
| 15:04.50 | SillyZ | im just gonna flash to 2.38 |
| 15:04.54 | sandman_ | did you install a libopie ? |
| 15:05.01 | SillyZ | yup |
| 15:05.16 | SillyZ | fortunatly I have a digitial camera, so its short work of reflashing the CF |
| 15:05.17 | SillyZ | :) |
| 15:05.48 | SillyZ | really wanna pickup a 256 -> 512mb cf , got a 64mb stick of 333mhz DDR-2600 laying around Id be willing to trade for a CF chip |
| 15:06.13 | sandman_ | Hmm .. the first version ran flawlessy on my 2.36 ROM .. |
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| 15:06.25 | sandman_ | Don't know anything about 2.37 though |
| 15:06.45 | SillyZ | well from my experience, it dont work on 2.37 |
| 15:07.02 | SillyZ | ill try 2.38 , if that dont go, Im writing the author and demanding a refund |
| 15:07.12 | sandman_ | SillyZ: *I* am the autor |
| 15:07.17 | SillyZ | ROFL! |
| 15:07.28 | SillyZ | Well, ya just made 10 bux this morning.... maybe |
| 15:07.29 | SillyZ | hehe |
| 15:07.39 | SillyZ | ok ill brb I gotta reboot linux here, its not seeing the flash card |
| 15:08.53 | ljp | heh reboot linux? |
| 15:10.56 | sandman_ | ljp: ~60 customers, no complaints, but he wants a refund ... |
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| 15:11.33 | ljp | really? 60? |
| 15:11.39 | SillyZ | back |
| 15:12.12 | ljp | hey.. win2k is kinda fun.. I should have started litestep tho |
| 15:13.29 | George- | ljp: Argh.. win2k... noooooo |
| 15:14.17 | ljp | yup.. I am visiting win2k |
| 15:14.35 | SillyZ | argh |
| 15:14.36 | SillyZ | brb |
| 15:14.49 | ljp | I should work on updating my windows apps sometime |
| 15:16.36 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:27.49 | Dilb | hi |
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| 15:32.06 | LordDavon | Hello everyone |
| 15:32.08 | Com[Plex] | -was anyone able to get that "queue" java game working under oz? |
| 15:32.20 | Com[Plex] | lordavon; your from maine arent you? |
| 15:32.25 | Com[Plex] | so am I.. *sigh* |
| 15:32.35 | LordDavon | Yes Com. I love it here. |
| 15:32.48 | Com[Plex] | hah, what part are you in? |
| 15:32.54 | Com[Plex] | portland? |
| 15:32.58 | LordDavon | Sebago Lake area |
| 15:33.07 | Com[Plex] | ahh |
| 15:33.15 | Com[Plex] | didint know they had rr up there. |
| 15:33.37 | LordDavon | I am only 20 minutes from Portland. |
| 15:33.55 | Com[Plex] | hah, shows how well I know geography. I thought sabago was way north |
| 15:34.00 | Com[Plex] | *shrug*. |
| 15:34.22 | LordDavon | Windham, Raymond, Casco, Naples and a few others are in this area. |
| 15:34.26 | Com[Plex] | I work for Maine Rock Gym once in a while. - later today in fact, were remodeling the bouldering cave. fun fun |
| 15:34.58 | Com[Plex] | say, what theme were you using in this pic? or was this in the qvfb ? |
| 15:34.59 | Com[Plex] | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=762 |
| 15:35.01 | LordDavon | I work for one of the Semiconductors here. |
| 15:35.24 | LordDavon | That is vnc. |
| 15:35.30 | Com[Plex] | I live in lewiston, teach alternative ed at the high school |
| 15:36.20 | LordDavon | I live in Raymond, so we are right next to eachother. |
| 15:36.22 | LordDavon | heh |
| 15:36.30 | Com[Plex] | its a small world. |
| 15:36.45 | Com[Plex] | even tho maine is huge in area. there are great big hunks of it that dont even have names |
| 15:37.08 | LordDavon | Nice and quiet here though. |
| 15:37.32 | Com[Plex] | yeah, if you can tune out the sound of the horseflies... |
| 15:37.53 | Com[Plex] | hheh, I dont mind it around here in the summer. its the winters I am sick of. |
| 15:38.01 | LordDavon | I agree with that. |
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| 15:38.12 | Com[Plex] | Ive lived here my entire life. and I am so sick of the sun going down in the early afternoon. |
| 15:38.28 | Com[Plex] | alas. I gotta go get breakfast. daylight is a wastin. |
| 15:38.52 | Com[Plex] | nice talking to you. |
| 15:39.44 | LordDavon | Later |
| 15:39.47 | NetAmp | l8r |
| 15:40.14 | NetAmp | where's the ROM poll then |
| 15:40.22 | LordDavon | kergoth: you around? |
| 15:40.30 | NetAmp | don't think you need that entire Session ID in the URL ;) |
| 15:40.32 | NetAmp | oh well |
| 15:40.47 | chouimat | LordDavon: no |
| 15:41.26 | LordDavon | chouimat: Thanks. Been trying to talk to him about the floating point bug for a while. |
| 15:43.59 | NetAmp | Now I'm puzzled... |
| 15:44.06 | NetAmp | I just UNinstalled the USB drivers |
| 15:44.21 | NetAmp | because WinXP wouldn't detect the Zaurus anymore |
| 15:44.29 | NetAmp | now it does |
| 15:44.38 | NetAmp | but after uninstalling the drivers :) |
| 15:44.39 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 15:44.44 | NetAmp | WinXP keeps amazing me... |
| 15:52.28 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
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| 15:53.30 | SillyZ | mornin |
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| 15:59.41 | SillyZ | sandman__: rom 2.38 and it still dont run |
| 15:59.47 | NetAmp | Hey |
| 15:59.56 | NetAmp | nice, the new Qtopia Desktop |
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| 16:03.02 | SillyZ | installed zstyle, libopie, zstyle_theme, and it still dont run |
| 16:03.14 | SillyZ | followed the directions on the page like it says |
| 16:05.10 | tez | Hi all. |
| 16:05.21 | tez | Anyone here using OpenZaurus? |
| 16:05.32 | NetAmp | yep |
| 16:05.43 | tez | Are you using stable, testing or unstable? |
| 16:05.54 | NetAmp | stable |
| 16:06.11 | NetAmp | well at least they call it stable :P ;) |
| 16:07.01 | sandman__ | SillyZ: Install zstyle-theme-ixpe and either Terminate Qtopia" or "Reboot" |
| 16:07.08 | SillyZ | I did |
| 16:07.23 | SillyZ | I rebooted |
| 16:07.25 | sandman__ | SillyZ: Did you install to RAM ? |
| 16:07.28 | SillyZ | yes |
| 16:08.04 | sandman__ | Did you fetch the libopie from opie.handhelds.org ? |
| 16:08.10 | SillyZ | yup |
| 16:08.51 | sandman__ | Hmm .. do you have embedded console installed ? |
| 16:08.58 | SillyZ | just installed it |
| 16:09.37 | sandman__ | Could you please tell me what "fuser /home/QtPalmtop/plugins/styles/libzstyle.so.1.0.0" says ? |
| 16:09.47 | SillyZ | k |
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| 16:11.47 | SillyZ | hmm I get in order..... |
| 16:12.03 | SillyZ | 213m 1697m 1698m 1699m 1710m |
| 16:12.40 | sandman__ | k .. that means that zstyle is installed and linked to the applications .. |
| 16:13.09 | sandman__ | Could you please try to start "/home/QtPalmtop/bin/zstyle" in the emb.console |
| 16:13.54 | SillyZ | ok I get this cont popup w hb sb l1 l2 pb cb |
| 16:14.10 | SillyZ | and a hex addy behind each one |
| 16:15.25 | SillyZ | ok zstyle-theme install I get i/o error read-only filesystem bad tar header, skipping |
| 16:16.12 | SillyZ | its ./debian-binary: i/o error read only filesystem ( this is from ipkg install zstyle-theme_*.ipk ) from the CF card |
| 16:16.32 | SillyZ | mind sending me a version of this that works, I can verify my order numbers |
| 16:17.03 | SillyZ | I dont have a problem supporting good software projects |
| 16:17.05 | sandman__ | SillyZ: I always use the "Software" applet in the Settings tab to install / uninstall |
| 16:17.15 | sandman__ | No problems with this |
| 16:17.31 | SillyZ | aye so did I but I did it from a command line to be sure |
| 16:17.54 | sandman__ | The ipk is ok .. you are the first that one that has problems with it |
| 16:18.29 | SillyZ | well Im on 2.38, I have libopie installed, zstyle, zstyle_theme, and the zstyle-theme-ixp |
| 16:18.47 | sandman__ | And zstyle won't show a up, if you start it from the launcher ? |
| 16:18.58 | SillyZ | nope |
| 16:19.07 | SillyZ | it just sits, thinks about it for a second or two then dies |
| 16:19.24 | SillyZ | Id be more than happy to let ya ssh into the Z |
| 16:20.04 | NetAmp | what's Zstyle for? |
| 16:20.21 | sandman__ | SillyZ: one more thing to try in emb.console: "LD_PRELOAD=/home/QtPalmtop/plugins/styles/libzstyle.so /home/QtPalmtop/bin/zstyle" |
| 16:20.42 | sandman__ | NetAmp: http://www.softforge.de/zstyle |
| 16:21.25 | NetAmp | cool :) |
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| 16:22.26 | SillyZ | cannot open shared lib |
| 16:22.32 | SillyZ | no such file or dir |
| 16:23.04 | SillyZ | ok |
| 16:23.09 | SillyZ | undefined symbol |
| 16:23.18 | SillyZ | ( I was missing a z in the last command ) |
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| 16:23.46 | SillyZ | undefined symbol _130FontSelectorbP7QWidgetPCcUi |
| 16:24.01 | sandman__ | ahhh |
| 16:24.08 | SillyZ | so its missing what ? |
| 16:24.25 | sandman__ | ls -l /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libopie.so* |
| 16:24.41 | sandman__ | (you seem to have an old libopie) |
| 16:25.29 | SillyZ | just have .so.1, .so.1.0 and .so.1.0.0 ( libopie that is ) |
| 16:25.46 | sandman__ | just need the size of the .so.1.0.0 |
| 16:26.01 | SillyZ | 397708 |
| 16:26.08 | SillyZ | Aug 25, 2002 is the date |
| 16:27.07 | sandman__ | That's stone age ;) |
| 16:27.24 | sandman__ | http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/retail/libopie_1.5-20021119_arm.ipk |
| 16:27.44 | sandman__ | please use this libopie |
| 16:28.46 | SillyZ | ok 2 sec |
| 16:28.48 | sandman__ | SillyZ: maybe some other Opie ipk (like embedded console) also installed a (very old) libopie |
| 16:28.58 | SillyZ | k |
| 16:29.05 | SillyZ | should I remove the old libopie then install the new one ? |
| 16:29.09 | SillyZ | or just install the new one ?? |
| 16:29.36 | sandman__ | Hmm .. ipkg on the Z is weird ... better remove it first |
| 16:29.40 | SillyZ | k |
| 16:29.50 | sandman__ | SillyZ: The new one should be: |
| 16:29.51 | sandman__ | -rwxr-xr-x root/root 957708 2002-11-19 01:59:11 ./opt/QtPalmtop/lib/libopie.so.1.0.0 |
| 16:29.57 | SillyZ | btw I would be most intrested in developing apps on the Z |
| 16:30.18 | SillyZ | any pointers ya would be willing to give would be most appericated |
| 16:30.44 | sandman__ | Maybe try the Opie wiki on opie.handhelds.org |
| 16:31.09 | NetAmp | (y) |
| 16:31.17 | sandman__ | or just checkout the Opie CVS and look at the code (maybe some simple settings applications first) |
| 16:31.23 | SillyZ | k |
| 16:35.17 | SillyZ | ok new libopie is installed, ill check the date and filesize on it just to make sure |
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| 16:37.15 | SillyZ | ok new libopie is installed, filesize and date match |
| 16:37.28 | SillyZ | there we go!!!!! |
| 16:38.40 | SillyZ | any way you can include the opie lib with your packages ? |
| 16:40.51 | SillyZ | ok should I re-install zsytle-theme then ? |
| 16:42.33 | SillyZ | ok any idea why Im not getting the ixp theme ? |
| 16:43.16 | SillyZ | or do I need to get Liquid on top of it for it to work ??? |
| 16:43.59 | SillyZ | nm ... got it |
| 16:48.15 | SillyZ | thanks for the help sandman__ |
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| 16:50.35 | kybu | hi |
| 16:50.47 | noda | Hello |
| 16:51.50 | NetAmp | hey noda thanks again for the help on routing the Z |
| 16:51.57 | noda | NetAmp: No prob man :) |
| 16:51.58 | NetAmp | I put up a FAQ topic on it ;) |
| 16:52.12 | noda | Great! I'll go accept it :) |
| 16:52.20 | NetAmp | no thanks |
| 16:52.25 | NetAmp | TheMasterMind1 did it |
| 16:52.27 | NetAmp | I believe |
| 16:52.29 | noda | Oh cool :) |
| 16:52.30 | NetAmp | :) |
| 16:52.30 | chouimat | morning noda, still snowing? |
| 16:52.39 | noda | chouimat: No, I don't think so. Fucking ugly outside though. |
| 16:52.41 | NetAmp | snow? why don't we get snow |
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| 16:54.20 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: yo |
| 16:54.28 | noda | Aargh, people putting <pre>'s outside of <li>'s in an <ul>... |
| 16:55.16 | noda | TheMasterMind1: Heya |
| 16:55.27 | TheMasterMind1 | heh that's my stuff |
| 16:55.33 | TheMasterMind1 | you shoulda seen the html BEFORE i got to it |
| 16:55.37 | TheMasterMind1 | you would have died |
| 16:55.38 | TheMasterMind1 | seriously |
| 16:57.10 | noda | I know :) |
| 16:57.38 | noda | For future reference: a <li> is a block just like a <div>. Inside a <ul> or <ol> you should only have <li>'s and everything else should be inside them (including more <ul>'s, <div>'s, etc) |
| 16:57.46 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, ok |
| 16:59.06 | noda | lol, NetAmp, I like your story :) |
| 16:59.25 | NetAmp | thanks ;) |
| 17:00.28 | NetAmp | I didn't do the <ol>'s myself |
| 17:00.37 | NetAmp | only added <keybd> <p> etc. |
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| 17:01.00 | Guest | hello |
| 17:01.08 | NetAmp | but this way it's clearer, numbered.. |
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| 17:01.10 | NetAmp | hi Guest |
| 17:01.23 | noda | Yep |
| 17:01.38 | guylhem | Guest is me on my Z - sorry for the test |
| 17:01.48 | noda | Aw, damn, I just got sidetracked. I had figured out how to squash my big bug in the new admin system :P |
| 17:06.17 | chouimat | noda: stop thinking about Girl that will help .... |
| 17:06.40 | noda | chouimat: I can't... I was with her yesterday :P |
| 17:07.01 | chouimat | noda: ok, anything good? |
| 17:07.05 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 17:07.13 | noda | Nah, we watched a couple of movies. |
| 17:07.49 | chouimat | ok, that a good start :) |
| 17:07.53 | NetAmp | riiight |
| 17:07.58 | NetAmp | what kind of movies :P |
| 17:07.59 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 17:08.07 | noda | Bond. James Bond. (she loves them) |
| 17:08.07 | NetAmp | sorry just kidding |
| 17:08.23 | chouimat | noda: hehe |
| 17:08.28 | NetAmp | Bond rulezzz |
| 17:08.30 | NetAmp | I gotta go eat dinner |
| 17:08.33 | NetAmp | good luck ppl |
| 17:08.38 | noda | Hell, I haven't had breakfast yet :) |
| 17:08.48 | noda | I want this FAQ module to be working before I do :P |
| 17:08.48 | NetAmp | hah it's 6:15PM in Holland |
| 17:08.53 | noda | 12:12 here |
| 17:09.01 | NetAmp | ouch better hope it works soon then ;) |
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| 17:35.32 | SillyZ | btw thanks again sandman__ |
| 17:37.04 | tez | Is there a way of using an SD card to install Open Zaurus? |
| 17:37.27 | guylhem | yup tez- cf faq |
| 17:37.30 | guylhem | #31 IIRC |
| 17:37.44 | tez | Cheers. |
| 17:37.54 | guylhem | just some mv |
| 17:37.56 | kolla | yes, you insert the SD card, copy over the files to the CF card and reset while holding down the C and F keys :) |
| 17:38.27 | tez | Har har. (Where is the faq, btw? :-/) |
| 17:38.30 | sandman__ | SillyZ: I'm back -- some friends came for a short visit |
| 17:38.35 | sandman__ | SillyZ: does it work now ? |
| 17:38.39 | guylhem | tez - you can not put oz on the SD but you can use it as your root media. Saves lot of mem |
| 17:38.51 | guylhem | no joking do to opie.us |
| 17:38.56 | guylhem | s/do/go |
| 17:39.17 | kolla | root on SD, huh? |
| 17:39.23 | tez | Cheers guylhem |
| 17:40.01 | guylhem | yup kolla. /root /opt /home |
| 17:40.10 | kolla | ? |
| 17:40.28 | kolla | I'd like to boot OZ from the SD |
| 17:40.36 | guylhem | I run OZ3 with **all** the commercial apps and tkc apps. Works like a charm if you follow the faq from zauruszone.com |
| 17:40.49 | guylhem | kolla you just can't. you must pick up OZ or Sharp. |
| 17:40.51 | guylhem | no dual boot |
| 17:41.00 | kolla | ? |
| 17:41.22 | Pendalar | oh come on you can dual boot ipaks ;-) |
| 17:41.33 | TheMasterMind1 | you dont' have enough flash to dual boot a Z |
| 17:41.45 | kolla | not quite what I meant.. I'd like to see an option to keep entire filesystem on SD |
| 17:41.45 | TheMasterMind1 | if you wanna add another 16meg of flash, you can |
| 17:41.51 | Pendalar | I know, just joking |
| 17:42.04 | TheMasterMind1 | kolla: there's an faq on it, you basically move the entire filesytem onto the SD and create symlinks |
| 17:42.08 | kolla | 16MB of flash outo to be plenty though :) |
| 17:42.27 | kolla | TheMasterMind1: well, duh |
| 17:42.44 | guylhem | kolla that's what I told you. you can move /opt /root /home. Moving anything else is not wise since SD is veeeerryyy slow |
| 17:42.57 | kolla | again.. duh |
| 17:43.11 | kolla | I have my /opt on the SD |
| 17:43.23 | kolla | but I would want to be able to boot from SD nevertheless |
| 17:43.26 | SillyZ | so it is physically possible to move /home to the cf and link back to it ? |
| 17:43.27 | kolla | despite the slowness |
| 17:43.29 | TheMasterMind1 | too bad. |
| 17:43.50 | noda | It's not that it's impossible, it's just that nobody's bothered to code it :) |
| 17:44.00 | TheMasterMind1 | i dont' see why you'd want to |
| 17:44.05 | TheMasterMind1 | but if you do, then do it. |
| 17:44.18 | noda | TheMasterMind1: I can see a use. Let's say you have 5 SD cards. You could boot to different OS's or something. |
| 17:44.21 | SillyZ | eazy enuf to mv /home /mnt/cf , then just ln -s /mnt/cf/home /home |
| 17:44.36 | kolla | noda: different setups, yes |
| 17:44.37 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? /home ? |
| 17:44.46 | TheMasterMind1 | that's sharp rom madness |
| 17:44.50 | kolla | softlinking is for wossies.. |
| 17:44.50 | TheMasterMind1 | where everything is in /home |
| 17:44.51 | TheMasterMind1 | what crap.. |
| 17:44.52 | noda | Ick ick ick :P |
| 17:45.01 | SillyZ | hehehe it works tho thats the point |
| 17:45.10 | TheMasterMind1 | no, making it work isn't the point |
| 17:45.16 | guylhem | SilliZ, I do have a pb with CF - when I suspend it unmount it and therefore crashes opie. That's why I didn't try that |
| 17:45.17 | SillyZ | and would free up 11mb on the sharp |
| 17:45.20 | TheMasterMind1 | doing it right is the point |
| 17:45.39 | TheMasterMind1 | guylhem: i think your problem is with mediummount |
| 17:45.46 | SillyZ | aye agreed, its a totally violitile enviornment doing it that way |
| 17:45.52 | TheMasterMind1 | turn off media checking in mediummount in settings |
| 17:45.55 | kolla | kill the sdmgr, create the needed nodes in the initial /dev/, put the sharp module in /etc/modules and put en entry to mount the SD in /etc/fstab |
| 17:45.57 | TheMasterMind1 | then it won't hang/crash |
| 17:46.13 | kolla | rm /etc/rc*/*sd* |
| 17:46.37 | TheMasterMind1 | ick. use update-rc.d |
| 17:46.45 | kolla | no |
| 17:46.59 | kolla | I dont grasp why people create such redundant programs |
| 17:47.09 | guylhem | TMM1: I don't have mediummount installed \ |
| 17:47.19 | SillyZ | anyone know if its possible to run reiserfs on the sharp ? |
| 17:47.54 | kolla | SillyZ: ofcourse it is possible |
| 17:48.07 | kolla | for certain values of "possible" :) |
| 17:48.18 | SillyZ | hehehe totally dependant upon defination I see |
| 17:49.34 | guylhem | TMM1: My mistake I have it!! |
| 17:57.58 | guylhem | I have globale=0 use=0 in medium.conf |
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| 18:00.24 | bill2or3 | $250 5500's |
| 18:00.40 | bill2or3 | they clearing them out in anticipation of the 5600? |
| 18:04.22 | kolla | *snort* |
| 18:04.29 | kolla | that's like half price |
| 18:05.38 | tez | guylhem: Sorry, I'm being a real idiot. I can't find the faq on opie.us . Could you give me the URL? |
| 18:06.00 | bill2or3 | yeah, I'm pertty tempted to get one |
| 18:06.09 | bill2or3 | anyone know how far backordered they are? |
| 18:10.28 | NetAmp|dinner | prob'ly |
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| 19:15.49 | pez2001 | how can i unpack a oz3 package manually... |
| 19:16.00 | pez2001 | seems not to be a tar.gz anymore |
| 19:16.07 | kergoth`gone | ar |
| 19:16.10 | kergoth`gone | ar x blah.ipk |
| 19:16.33 | pez2001 | thx ;-) |
| 19:16.47 | pez2001 | always a helpful guy our kergoth ;-) |
| 19:17.03 | kergoth`gone | np |
| 19:17.34 | pez2001 | i need to install ipkg manually cause it segfaults... |
| 19:17.50 | kergoth`gone | ah, you should grab the latest ipkg from unstable |
| 19:18.08 | pez2001 | and i am on a three hours tour tomorrow and i want to play zak ;-) |
| 19:18.11 | sandman__ | kergoth`gone: hi |
| 19:18.21 | ibz | pez2001: the latest ipkg needs root mounted with sync option though!! |
| 19:18.24 | kergoth`gone | hey sandman__ |
| 19:18.46 | kolla | dont use the unstable stuff in stable, grab that stable stuff in unstable instead |
| 19:18.55 | sandman__ | kergoth`gone: Did you already rebuild qt/e for OZ with all qt/e patches from CVS |
| 19:18.55 | pez2001 | the ipkg to be installed is not the problem... the one i got is segfaulting on every action i perform |
| 19:19.10 | kergoth`gone | sandman__: new patches added recently? |
| 19:19.16 | sandman__ | yup |
| 19:19.24 | kergoth`gone | sandman__: my build automatically builds with every qte patch from opie cvs |
| 19:19.36 | kergoth`gone | sandman__: so i likely just need to up the version so people get it upgraded |
| 19:19.40 | sandman__ | OZ 3.0 didn't have some patches |
| 19:19.56 | kergoth`gone | yeah, thats fixed. the build grabs every patch in opie cvs and applies them |
| 19:20.42 | sandman__ | ah good .. I just got a bug-report for something I have fixed a long time ago :) |
| 19:20.54 | kergoth`gone | ah :) |
| 19:21.09 | sandman__ | I have rewritten the style stuff recently |
| 19:21.35 | sandman__ | so OZ needs a new build of libqte, libqpe, appearance and all styles |
| 19:21.53 | TheMasterMind1 | how recently |
| 19:21.56 | kergoth`gone | I just did a fresh rebuild of everything in OZ last night |
| 19:22.00 | kergoth`gone | and updated our feeds |
| 19:22.02 | kergoth`gone | so we should be fine |
| 19:22.12 | kergoth`gone | though I'll likely want to increment our revision on the qt/e package |
| 19:22.22 | sandman__ | k |
| 19:26.29 | zecke | kergoth`gone: how is your gcc3.2 toolchain? |
| 19:26.54 | chouimat | hi zecke |
| 19:32.02 | ibz | pez2001: do you have TheMasterMind1's feed in your ipkg.conf along with other's? |
| 19:32.22 | ibz | pez2001: it seems to have conflicts with other feeds that leads to segfaults |
| 19:32.53 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, no clue why |
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| 19:39.59 | pez2001 | hmmm i look at it.... |
| 19:40.06 | pez2001 | whats the feeds url?= |
| 19:40.17 | pez2001 | i ran into a scummvm problem: |
| 19:40.17 | pez2001 | scummvm: error while loading shared libraries: libpgui.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:40.28 | pez2001 | whats pgui for?? |
| 19:40.41 | pez2001 | i installed sdl.... shouldnt that be enough? |
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| 19:51.26 | TheMasterMind1 | pez2001: that scummvm is for picogui |
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| 19:51.27 | TheMasterMind1 | not for opie |
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| 19:55.03 | pez2001 | tmm1:hmm do you have a scumm for opie? |
| 19:55.58 | pez2001 | i installed the picogui stuff but it doesnt find a qt function referenced in libsdl |
| 19:56.14 | pez2001 | grr ... this thingie has something against me.... |
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| 19:57.14 | scanline | pez2001: picogui is something completely separate from Opie, you don't want to install it unless you know what it is. There are no Scummvm packages in OZ that work with Opie yet |
| 19:58.10 | pez2001 | hmmmm ..... |
| 19:58.22 | pez2001 | how can i start pico .... |
| 19:58.26 | pez2001 | i just installed it |
| 19:58.33 | scanline | look at the FAQ on openzaurus.org |
| 20:01.55 | ljp | who wants to give me a dual p4 motherboard/processors? |
| 20:03.18 | Dilb | with 4GB RDRAM, HT P4 3.06GHz ? |
| 20:03.43 | ljp | sure |
| 20:04.16 | pez2001 | plz choose me... i always like to give expensive toys to strangers ;-) |
| 20:04.48 | ljp | it'll be a trade |
| 20:05.05 | ljp | I have about 6 p33's all set to go |
| 20:05.23 | ljp | ibot 6 * 33 |
| 20:05.24 | | 198 |
| 20:05.33 | ljp | hmm |
| 20:06.21 | ljp | ok, I'll throw in a few 166's |
| 20:06.47 | Dilb | p33 ? |
| 20:07.47 | ljp | ya.. maybe even a few 133' and a p166! |
| 20:07.47 | Dilb | the never released pentium ? the not so hot version of the p60 ? :) |
| 20:08.56 | ljp | and plenty of at cases!!!! |
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| 20:18.41 | pez2001 | hmmm pico starts... |
| 20:18.45 | pez2001 | but shows nothing |
| 20:18.52 | TheMasterMind1 | read the faq |
| 20:18.58 | pez2001 | i calibrated the pen and then nothing |
| 20:19.30 | TheMasterMind1 | read the faq. |
| 20:48.21 | bill2or3 | is any particular brand of SD card better than the rest? |
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| 21:22.54 | bill2or3 | does it matter if I get smartmedia/MMC/SD ? or are they all the same for zaurus use? |
| 21:23.12 | oGMo | sd > mmc iirc, ymmv |
| 21:23.16 | oGMo | hth |
| 21:24.02 | oGMo | bill2or3: smart media is _not_ the same thing though |
| 21:24.19 | oGMo | bill2or3: try and get SD, but not SanDisk SD |
| 21:24.34 | oGMo | bill2or3: your Z also takes Compact Flash |
| 21:24.42 | oGMo | anyway, bbiab, store |
| 21:24.57 | bill2or3 | so the Z wont use smartmedia, only SD or MMC? |
| 21:25.15 | chouimat|brb | bill2or3: Z use CF and MMC/SD |
| 21:25.23 | bill2or3 | what's the deal with sandisk, does it have quality problems? |
| 21:25.25 | KotH | good night |
| 21:26.26 | chouimat|brb | bill2or3: don't have any problem with |
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| 21:43.19 | sandman__ | kergoth: ping |
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| 22:20.04 | jbardin | z0r |
| 22:20.12 | jbardin | anyone know if the mozilla nightly has the dhtml bug fix? |
| 22:20.26 | jbardin | and does a type 1 cf memroy card need some srot of adapter to work in the z? |
| 22:20.47 | ZzzGogo | no it doesnt |
| 22:20.55 | jbardin | rock |
| 22:21.17 | jbardin | er, no it doesnt for mozilla, or for the cf carD? |
| 22:21.23 | ZzzGogo | cf |
| 22:21.42 | jbardin | cool |
| 22:24.06 | chouimat | what is the diff between type1 and type2? |
| 22:24.35 | bill2or3 | the thickness |
| 22:25.46 | ZzzGogo | CompactFlash I is thinner than the Type II. The Type I is 3.3 mm thick and the Type II is 5.0 mm, similar to the thicknesses of the PC card types. Because Type II cards are thicker, they can hold more data than Type I cards. Type I cards will fit into Type II slots, but not the other way around because Type II cards are too thick for Type I slots. |
| 22:26.12 | ZzzGogo | http://www.memorexlive.com/support/faq_flashmedia.html |
| 22:26.38 | chouimat | ZzzGogo: and the z have a which type of slot |
| 22:26.53 | ZzzGogo | obviously II |
| 22:27.08 | chouimat | ZzzGogo: good |
| 22:27.27 | ZzzGogo | u _can_ use microdrives (CF II), even though sharp does not recommend them due to heat problems |
| 22:28.56 | treke|home | not to mention power problems |
| 22:29.01 | ZzzGogo | jo |
| 22:29.46 | ZzzGogo | http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=804043442 |
| 22:30.09 | sandman__ | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 22:30.11 | | sandman__: i haven't seen 'kergoth ' |
| 22:30.15 | sandman__ | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 22:30.15 | | kergoth is currently on #opie #picogui #tuxscreen #zaurus #elinux #openzaurus. Has said a total of 27 messages. Is idling for 1h 9m 19s |
| 22:30.27 | ZzzGogo | if u dont need it, 80 bucks is a lot, but if u want it... 80 is cheap for the CF camera card :) |
| 22:30.44 | jbardin | what is the qt-mozilla project? |
| 22:31.47 | chouimat | jbardin: a port of mozilla to qt |
| 22:32.18 | sandman__ | TheMasterMind1: Is there any -force flag in ipkg to force downgrades ? |
| 22:32.34 | TheMasterMind1 | -force_overwrite might |
| 22:32.41 | sandman__ | nope .. tried that |
| 22:32.46 | TheMasterMind1 | then no |
| 22:32.49 | TheMasterMind1 | not yet anyway |
| 22:33.22 | sandman__ | please add that .. I'm currently running a OZ libc6 on my iPAQ and I can't switch back ;) |
| 22:34.35 | ZzzGogo | is anyone using pretec compact lan ethernet card? is it good? |
| 22:35.14 | ZzzGogo | seems to be expensive :) |
| 22:36.25 | jbardin | what do you guys think of this |
| 22:36.27 | jbardin | http://www.firebox.com/index.html?dir=firebox&action=product&pid=437 |
| 22:37.05 | bill2or3 | maybe it'd be ok if you had a microdrive |
| 22:37.47 | jbardin | i was thinking a 128meg card would be good |
| 22:38.16 | ZzzGogo | waht is the writing spped u get on a cf card? |
| 22:38.18 | bill2or3 | did you watch the example movies? |
| 22:38.34 | bill2or3 | the first one looks like garbage |
| 22:39.10 | ZzzGogo | hey, waht do u expect??? thats shitty backyard production |
| 22:39.21 | bill2or3 | 10 fps.. bleh |
| 22:39.26 | ZzzGogo | lol |
| 22:39.43 | jbardin | it says it does 24 in camcorder mode |
| 22:39.53 | ZzzGogo | yes |
| 22:40.00 | ZzzGogo | framesize 160x120 or so.... |
| 22:40.08 | jbardin | yea... |
| 22:40.10 | jbardin | i think its cool |
| 22:40.20 | ZzzGogo | then go ant get it |
| 22:40.23 | jbardin | i mean, i dont plan on doing anyvacation movies |
| 22:40.25 | ZzzGogo | -t +d |
| 22:40.31 | jbardin | i want to record my two dogs fighting and whatnot |
| 22:40.39 | jbardin | course at 10fps they wopuld both look like a blur |
| 22:40.50 | ZzzGogo | yes, its just the right thing in the ongoing MMS hype... go get it!! |
| 22:41.20 | jbardin | MMS? |
| 22:41.28 | ZzzGogo | not in the uk? |
| 22:41.40 | jbardin | no |
| 22:41.54 | ZzzGogo | i guess in german mms-cell phones wil be this years freaky x-mas presents... |
| 22:42.05 | jbardin | oh multimedia messagingh |
| 22:42.17 | ZzzGogo | sms with pictues, sounds blah... cell-phones with digi-cam etc... |
| 22:42.40 | jbardin | who cares about that, i just want to post some pics of my dogs on my site |
| 22:42.45 | ZzzGogo | - Digital Video: 320 x 240 pixels |
| 22:42.45 | ZzzGogo | - Still Photos: 1280 x 1024 (SXGA) & 640 x 480 (VGA) |
| 22:42.46 | ZzzGogo | - Webcam: 640 x 480 through 160 x 120 |
| 22:42.56 | jbardin | the still photo part of i looks decent |
| 22:43.03 | bill2or3 | how much is it? |
| 22:43.07 | jbardin | 100 bucks |
| 22:43.13 | ZzzGogo | pound! |
| 22:43.15 | jbardin | er 100 euros |
| 22:43.32 | jbardin | or whatever you brits are calling it today |
| 22:43.34 | ZzzGogo | Approx. .156.60 or US$155.70 |
| 22:43.47 | ZzzGogo | 156 EUR that is |
| 22:44.13 | ZzzGogo | u can get a 2 M-pixel digi-cam for that.... |
| 22:44.31 | jbardin | ah damnit and they dont ship to the us |
| 22:44.37 | ZzzGogo | which is also capabale of recording movies... |
| 22:44.53 | jbardin | Zzz any model nimbers? |
| 22:45.00 | ZzzGogo | mompl |
| 22:45.28 | jbardin | ? |
| 22:45.41 | ZzzGogo | moment please |
| 22:46.04 | jbardin | cool |
| 22:48.49 | ZzzGogo | Jenoptik JD 2100 f |
| 22:48.59 | ZzzGogo | 129,00 EUR |
| 22:49.07 | ZzzGogo | 2.11 Mpixel |
| 22:49.13 | jbardin | hmm thats like 200 dollars |
| 22:49.25 | ZzzGogo | like 89 pounds |
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| 22:49.33 | ZzzGogo | less than the one u were looking at |
| 22:49.47 | ZzzGogo | dollar = euros |
| 22:50.18 | jbardin | oh cool |
| 22:50.27 | ZzzGogo | Yakumo Mega-Image IV |
| 22:50.29 | ZzzGogo | 159 |
| 22:50.36 | ZzzGogo | 2 mpixel |
| 22:51.04 | jbardin | what does 2 mega pixel mean? |
| 22:51.26 | noda | 2000000 pixels |
| 22:51.33 | ZzzGogo | the ccd chip is supposed to have 2.000.000 light sensitive pixels |
| 22:51.42 | jbardin | oh like 1600x1200 = 20000000 |
| 22:51.58 | ZzzGogo | no 2.110.000 :) |
| 22:52.04 | jbardin | right |
| 22:52.10 | jbardin | thats alot of resulition |
| 22:52.23 | kolla | 1920000 |
| 22:52.26 | ZzzGogo | thats all fake |
| 22:52.30 | ZzzGogo | exactly kolla |
| 22:52.36 | jbardin | oh... |
| 22:52.37 | Dilb | /3 (not exactely 3 but it's a good idea) |
| 22:53.24 | ZzzGogo | Canon PowerShot A200 1632 x 1232 Pixel / 2.141.928 px |
| 22:53.43 | ZzzGogo | everyone is faking :) |
| 22:53.47 | ZzzGogo | even canaon |
| 22:53.48 | jbardin | yea.,.. |
| 22:53.52 | kolla | overkill if all you want is to take photos for web usage :) |
| 22:54.06 | chouimat | nothing better than a 35mm and a good scanner |
| 22:54.22 | kolla | scanners with feed maybe |
| 22:54.57 | ZzzGogo | kolla: rite... 1 Mpix should be enough... but if u need to take out details 2 or more Mpisxel is helpful... |
| 22:55.14 | chouimat | kolla: anyways digital camera quality sucks in comparaison to 35mm |
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| 22:55.23 | oGMo | ... |
| 22:55.27 | boulez | hi |
| 22:55.32 | oGMo | chouimat: maybe for crappy digital cameras ;x |
| 22:55.34 | oGMo | er ;) |
| 22:55.38 | noda | 2 megapixels is around 1600x1200. Which is decent. |
| 22:55.45 | ZzzGogo | ChipX86: welll...... the newer SLR digicams could rival 35 mm already... |
| 22:55.48 | kolla | I could need a photo scanner |
| 22:55.55 | oGMo | you can get good 35mm for cheaper than good digital though |
| 22:55.58 | ZzzGogo | oops.. chouiamt |
| 22:56.21 | ZzzGogo | oGMo we were talking about quality *gg* |
| 22:56.48 | oGMo | ZzzGogo: yeah |
| 22:57.13 | oGMo | ZzzGogo: i'm just saying you can get digital that's as good as and better than 35mm...although you'll pay for it ;) |
| 22:57.16 | chouimat | ZzzGogo: I prefer take my photo in black and white, it's more fun to setup everything, color photo are too easy |
| 22:57.36 | ZzzGogo | Canon EOS 1Ds <-- that should do it.. 11 Mpixel |
| 22:57.36 | kolla | chouimat: I see. |
| 22:57.47 | oGMo | ZzzGogo: heh |
| 22:57.59 | kolla | I dont even own any photo equipment :) |
| 22:58.00 | ZzzGogo | chouimat: b/w shouldnt be a problem with a digital camera.... |
| 22:58.09 | oGMo | i haven't seen the high-end offerings in digital lately tho |
| 22:58.21 | chouimat | ZzzGogo: show me a >20Mpixel and I go buy one |
| 22:58.29 | kolla | I keep getting hardcopies from people though |
| 22:58.46 | ZzzGogo | ChipX86: i am most certainly be able to show u one... but u wont be able to afford it |
| 22:58.53 | ZzzGogo | damn |
| 22:59.00 | ZzzGogo | chouimat.. |
| 22:59.27 | chouimat | kolla: need to change my photo equipment, I can't find pieces for my old pentax anymore .... and on ebay they're too expensive |
| 22:59.51 | oGMo | chouimat: i'm fairly sure you can get that resolution, but even 35mm doesn't give you that |
| 23:00.02 | oGMo | can't you get 5k x 5k? |
| 23:00.16 | ZzzGogo | that canan eod d1s got 11 mpixel.... and its a camera offered in normal consumer stores... so there should be a lot of cams that do 20 |
| 23:00.22 | oGMo | i thought i'd heard of up to 7k, i could be wrong |
| 23:01.20 | ZzzGogo | oGMo : thing is, with standard photo material, u could increase the size of the negatives.... |
| 23:01.58 | oGMo | ZzzGogo: that doesn't make a difference though, 35mm isn't infinite resolution |
| 23:02.02 | ZzzGogo | not easy 2 compare, since middleformat isnt axactly standard consumer product, but high end digital cams aren't, either.... |
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| 23:03.13 | ZzzGogo | oGMo : u're right... no more px/area. but comparing the final prints, u get higher detail with increasing size of the negative.. i guess final print is the only thing we can compare... |
| 23:03.28 | dlohin | I am having a problem getting DHCP working on OZ 3 useing a wireless NIC.... |
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| 23:03.40 | dlohin | It just doesnt seem to wanna work |
| 23:03.54 | oGMo | ZzzGogo, perhaps |
| 23:03.56 | dlohin | I am not getting a IP address from the server |
| 23:04.04 | jbardin | could you not hook 4 1600x1200 sensor together with some optics? |
| 23:04.11 | dlohin | my Ip is coming up 0.0.0.0 |
| 23:04.14 | dlohin | everytime |
| 23:04.21 | ZzzGogo | jbardin.... not that easy... |
| 23:04.22 | kolla | dlohin: well.. wep key is ok? |
| 23:04.30 | oGMo | i would assert you can blow a 5k x 5k up a lot furthre than a 35mm shot of the same image |
| 23:04.30 | jbardin | what is in your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:04.40 | dlohin | as of now I have WEP disabled..... |
| 23:05.04 | dlohin | I will enable it once I just get the basics up and running |
| 23:05.25 | ZzzGogo | dlohin: is u#re network so vast that u need dhcp? |
| 23:05.40 | dlohin | no...noo.... not really.. but still |
| 23:05.45 | ZzzGogo | :) |
| 23:05.49 | ZzzGogo | use static ip then :) |
| 23:05.54 | dlohin | It 5 machines |
| 23:05.58 | dlohin | ok.. ok.... |
| 23:06.16 | ZzzGogo | dhcp should still, work, you're right on that one.. :) |
| 23:06.22 | ZzzGogo | - , |
| 23:06.44 | Twiun | ibot: change 100 EUR to USD |
| 23:06.44 | dlohin | I was wondering if this was a known issue w/ oz 3 |
| 23:07.54 | dlohin | what should I put for first DNS? |
| 23:08.07 | dlohin | It is insisting I put in my first DNS.... |
| 23:09.04 | dlohin | I never set up a DNS on my other machines... |
| 23:11.14 | Twiun | most likely because dhcp usually sets that up |
| 23:11.45 | dlohin | then why the heck wont it let me leave them blank |
| 23:11.58 | dlohin | I click ok and it is telling me I need to fill them in |
| 23:16.31 | oGMo | you know, it'd be neat to have a framework for grabbing lots of realtime data like that for your Z every day |
| 23:17.00 | oGMo | although i suppose just having 802.11b works even better ;) |
| 23:18.19 | Twiun | dlohin: probably a bug... you may have more luck asking in #openzaurus |
| 23:25.32 | *** join/#zaurus misato (misato@jstraw.staff.freenode) |
| 23:25.56 | misato | where can I find the usbnet patch for 2.4.20? |
| 23:26.10 | *** join/#zaurus kendrick2 (~kendrick@dcn242-165.dcn.davis.ca.us) |
| 23:26.15 | misato | hi kendrick2 |
| 23:26.43 | tux_mike | hey bill |
| 23:26.48 | kendrick2 | hey |
| 23:26.57 | kendrick2 | hey, you don't happen to read japanese, do you? ;) |
| 23:27.04 | misato | nope, sorry |
| 23:27.10 | kendrick2 | hey t_m |
| 23:27.12 | tux_mike | kana, yes, kanji no. |
| 23:27.24 | kendrick2 | what's the diff? (er, i guess, how can i tell what it is i have? :) ) |
| 23:27.32 | tux_mike | and my vocab is very limited |
| 23:28.00 | misato | kendrick2: where can I find the usbnet patch for 2.4.20? |
| 23:28.03 | tux_mike | if you don't know what the kana are, or kanji, you can't tell much of a difference :) |
| 23:28.24 | kendrick2 | tux_mike - http://www.sonic.net/~nbs/tplmjpbw.png |
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| 23:30.03 | kolla | looks boring |
| 23:30.13 | kendrick2 | hehehe |
| 23:30.15 | kendrick2 | probably is |
| 23:30.23 | tux_mike | aint know way i can read that. |
| 23:30.23 | kendrick2 | i wanna know what little nice things (or bad!) they said about it, though |
| 23:30.24 | kolla | the tux paint program that is :) |
| 23:30.30 | kendrick2 | oh - hahaha |
| 23:30.32 | kendrick2 | hey! >:^P |
| 23:30.39 | tux_mike | but i can get a friend to translate it in his spare time |
| 23:30.39 | kendrick2 | just cuz you're not 2-7 yrs old :^P |
| 23:30.41 | kolla | oh.. it's yours? :) |
| 23:30.44 | kendrick2 | yeah! |
| 23:30.56 | kolla | nah, I'm leet DPaint users |
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| 23:36.19 | ZzzGogo | yessss |
| 23:36.29 | ZzzGogo | got that pretec cd lan card at ebay :)) |
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| 23:36.35 | ZzzGogo | cf |
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| 23:38.25 | NetAmp | I like the new Qtopa Desktop :D |
| 23:38.29 | ZzzGogo | hi netamp :) |
| 23:38.33 | NetAmp | hi ZzzGogo |
| 23:38.39 | NetAmp | just wonder what to do with the Add/Remove tab |
| 23:38.52 | ZzzGogo | dunno, havent tried, yet... |
| 23:38.56 | NetAmp | like where does it get the list from... |
| 23:38.58 | NetAmp | oh ok |
| 23:39.02 | ZzzGogo | still getting everything together i need |
| 23:39.09 | NetAmp | luckily I got XP to see my Zaurus again anyway |
| 23:39.14 | ZzzGogo | my Z aint here, yet :) |
| 23:39.19 | NetAmp | :o |
| 23:39.28 | NetAmp | wow so you're anxiously awaiting? ;) |
| 23:39.29 | NetAmp | hah |
| 23:39.34 | NetAmp | I know the feeling myself |
| 23:39.35 | ZzzGogo | but i got everything togther now :) |
| 23:39.53 | ZzzGogo | at ebay anway.. just waiting for the stuff to arrive *g* |
| 23:40.16 | ZzzGogo | just got a pretec lan card at ebay :) |
| 23:40.54 | ZzzGogo | -at +and |
| 23:41.20 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 23:41.40 | NetAmp | I was actually a bit shocked when it arrived at Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam |
| 23:41.51 | NetAmp | because they called in and said I had to pay taxes :P |
| 23:41.53 | NetAmp | :o |
| 23:42.05 | ZzzGogo | u bought the US version? |
| 23:42.05 | NetAmp | it was quite an amount actually :S |
| 23:42.11 | NetAmp | Yeah I bought it in the US |
| 23:42.19 | ZzzGogo | cheaper anyway |
| 23:42.27 | NetAmp | because I had contact with Sharp and they told me it wasn't gonna happen |
| 23:42.30 | ZzzGogo | so did u have to pay taxes? |
| 23:42.35 | NetAmp | in Netherlands / Benelux |
| 23:42.49 | NetAmp | So my other option was Germany where i'd get a 5500D |
| 23:42.54 | NetAmp | so I'd rather have a US one |
| 23:43.05 | NetAmp | and I did have to pay taxes yes :S |
| 23:43.06 | ZzzGogo | ok |
| 23:43.11 | ZzzGogo | how much? |
| 23:43.11 | NetAmp | came with Airborne Express |
| 23:43.23 | NetAmp | don't exactly remember I'd have to look up |
| 23:43.25 | ZzzGogo | what did u pay alltogether? |
| 23:43.29 | ZzzGogo | ok |
| 23:43.32 | NetAmp | but it was still cheaper than Germany ;) |
| 23:43.41 | NetAmp | which was about EUR 700 at the time |
| 23:43.44 | ZzzGogo | i paid 321,99 EUR last week |
| 23:43.50 | ZzzGogo | :) |
| 23:43.52 | NetAmp | whow |
| 23:43.53 | NetAmp | nice |
| 23:43.55 | ZzzGogo | brandnew |
| 23:44.06 | ZzzGogo | ebay.de *g* |
| 23:44.36 | NetAmp | cool |
| 23:44.41 | NetAmp | I got it from Outpost.com |
| 23:44.49 | ZzzGogo | hey i managed to get all those supossedly power efficient accessory cards :) toshiba SD, pretec CF .. we'll see what difference it'll make... |
| 23:44.55 | boulez | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.12 | ZzzGogo | nope |
| 23:45.25 | ZzzGogo | i wont trust a site which only holds ordering info |
| 23:45.43 | boulez | I think it's Sharp |
| 23:45.57 | ZzzGogo | and i doubt that i'd get it without taxes/customs to germany |
| 23:45.59 | boulez | Supposedly, it's their Comdex deal |
| 23:46.02 | boulez | ah right.. |
| 23:46.53 | ZzzGogo | boulez yes its their comdex deal, but i dont think its sharp... at least they could have put some info on that deal on this website.. |
| 23:47.05 | boulez | it is a strange site |
| 23:47.11 | ZzzGogo | ... i mean would u trust a single creditcard form somewhere on the net?!?! :)) |
| 23:47.19 | ZzzGogo | kinda freaky ... |
| 23:48.00 | boulez | I dunno. Some folks in here were sure it was Sharp. I don't know what to think. It's such a great price.... |
| 23:48.29 | NetAmp | well |
| 23:48.31 | NetAmp | ask them |
| 23:48.31 | ZzzGogo | get one at ebay... less hassle... |
| 23:48.59 | NetAmp | Aren't you insured when using a creditcard? |
| 23:49.06 | boulez | yeah, with some cards |
| 23:49.09 | ZzzGogo | dunno |
| 23:49.15 | ZzzGogo | wouldnt wanne try it :9 |
| 23:49.19 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 23:49.22 | boulez | I have at least one card that protects against that stuff...but it's such a hassle |
| 23:49.31 | ZzzGogo | xactly |
| 23:49.44 | NetAmp | OZ rocks :P |
| 23:50.07 | NetAmp | just the Pingizauru startup screen alone is cool already ;) |
| 23:50.12 | boulez | ebay makes me even more nervous |
| 23:50.21 | NetAmp | yeah me too |
| 23:50.24 | NetAmp | eBay :S |
| 23:50.52 | boulez | I love selling shit...but I've never bought anything more expensive than a book |
| 23:50.56 | boulez | I just don't trust people |
| 23:51.23 | NetAmp | sadly you can't really :S |
| 23:51.29 | kergoth | NetAmp: switched to oz yet? :) |
| 23:51.32 | boulez | plus, the going prices for new 5500s on ebay aren't really that good |
| 23:51.39 | ZzzGogo | hey kergoth !! |
| 23:51.43 | NetAmp | kergoth: yeah! And I like most of it :D |
| 23:51.45 | kergoth | hey |
| 23:52.09 | ZzzGogo | what about netsacpe aclendar server syncing ... anyone into that, yet?!! couldnt find anything ... |
| 23:52.11 | NetAmp | built-in SSH is sweet, now I can just login with PuTTY ;) |
| 23:52.14 | sandman__ | kergoth: at last .. you're alive ;) |
| 23:52.22 | NetAmp | or WinSCP even |
| 23:52.43 | sandman__ | kergoth: Did you read my latest CVS commit logs ? |
| 23:52.43 | NetAmp | maybe kergoth should get bodyguards ;) |
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| 23:53.00 | ZhEN | hi all |
| 23:53.05 | ZzzGogo | hi |
| 23:53.10 | ZhEN | does anyone have the vnc server running on their Z? |
| 23:53.16 | ZhEN | ZzzGogo how goes it? |
| 23:53.22 | sandman__ | kergoth: With this fixes it should be possible to get Opera running on OZ |
| 23:53.31 | ZzzGogo | ZhEN: huh?! |
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| 23:54.17 | NetAmp | kergoth: I put up a OZ FAQ item on setting up Z internet through WinXP ICS (Connection Sharing) |
| 23:54.21 | ZhEN | there is a vnc serv for the Z - i got it installed, but when i try and run it, the program bails out |
| 23:54.33 | NetAmp | took me a bit to figure that one out ;) but got help here |
| 23:54.38 | ZzzGogo | *goneforsleeping* |
| 23:54.44 | ZhEN | NetAmp hiya |
| 23:54.52 | NetAmp | ZhEN: hi :) |
| 23:55.02 | ZhEN | NetAmp how are you? |
| 23:55.05 | NetAmp | Hm I wanna do that too, VNC |
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| 23:55.19 | NetAmp | ZhEN: I'm OK thanks, you? |
| 23:55.22 | NetAmp | What ROM do you run? |
| 23:55.27 | NetAmp | also OZ? Or Sharp |
| 23:56.14 | ZhEN | sharp - i cannot get oz to load on my z :-/ |
| 23:56.47 | NetAmp | oh :( |
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| 23:57.42 | boulez | hi |
| 23:58.33 | ZhEN | NetAmp yeah, it is a prob |
| 23:58.45 | ZhEN | what does oz have over the sharp rom? |
| 23:59.46 | NetAmp | well |
| 23:59.52 | NetAmp | themes ;) |
| 23:59.59 | NetAmp | although there is an app now |
