| 00:00.07 | DaWorm | naa i dont think you cant do that |
| 00:00.14 | DaWorm | besides pingizauri is cute |
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| 00:06.21 | ElzWhere | hello |
| 00:08.54 | DaWorm | hello |
| 00:09.16 | moot | uhoh, i have to be up in 5 hours |
| 00:09.44 | ElzWhere | is there a place if something happens with your sharp rom that you can dl files to reflash ? |
| 00:10.00 | Piete | anyone know wether ogg or mp3 uses the most CPU power? |
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| 00:15.28 | DaWorm | duhhhh |
| 00:15.41 | DaWorm | hmmm |
| 00:16.00 | DaWorm | ElzWhere: ditching OZ3? |
| 00:17.10 | ElzWhere | DaWorm not sure thinking about it. |
| 00:17.22 | ElzWhere | not sure if im ready to make that commitment |
| 00:17.31 | ElzWhere | handcom was great for me in sharp |
| 00:18.11 | DaWorm | well that's true at the moment |
| 00:18.28 | ElzWhere | yeah i know |
| 00:18.54 | ElzWhere | im probably going to be a sellout |
| 00:18.59 | ElzWhere | not sure yet though |
| 00:19.11 | ElzWhere | i mean it is working for me greatly |
| 00:19.15 | ElzWhere | me |
| 00:19.44 | NeoTron | hrm. I think I lost my CF card |
| 00:20.14 | DaWorm | hmm |
| 00:20.18 | DaWorm | cddb was eating cpus |
| 00:20.20 | DaWorm | hrrmm |
| 00:21.11 | DaWorm | ElzWhere: what works with you then :) |
| 00:21.19 | DaWorm | stick with it :) |
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| 00:29.13 | codemnky | hello |
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| 01:03.33 | |rerun| | 12«11kergoth`out12» any more news on an opera fix? |
| 01:05.22 | |rerun| | anyone: any news on an opera fix? |
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| 01:20.34 | ElzWhere | anyone know how come i cant save files via a web browser in the zaurus? |
| 01:20.41 | ElzWhere | not save but download |
| 01:20.50 | ElzWhere | i always get garbage on the screen |
| 01:54.43 | Wintre | elzwhere: Because the server is misconfigured and serves the file as text/plain, and the browser simply displays it |
| 01:55.02 | Wintre | And opera doesn't seem to have any way to download a link or even cut and paste it |
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| 03:23.13 | ZzzGogo | wow, i can actuallly listen to progrock!! |
| 03:32.50 | greenbus | Solstice? |
| 03:33.59 | ZzzGogo | ? |
| 03:34.25 | ZzzGogo | its almost lunuchtime!! :) |
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| 05:27.37 | raphinou | ibo help |
| 05:27.41 | raphinou | ibot help |
| 05:36.42 | raphinou | ibot oz faq |
| 05:36.42 | | i heard oz faq is at http://www.openzaurus.org/ |
| 05:36.54 | raphinou | ibot oz snapshot |
| 05:36.54 | | methinks oz snapshot is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi or this is a snapshot of the bk oz buildroot tree use it to compile ibot's own OZ if you don't want to use BK |
| 05:58.02 | CrazyGogo | ibot oz screenshot |
| 05:58.02 | | CrazyGogo: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 05:58.07 | CrazyGogo | lol |
| 05:58.24 | CrazyGogo | ibot oz screenshots |
| 05:58.24 | | i don't know, CrazyGogo |
| 05:58.32 | CrazyGogo | ibot screenshot |
| 05:58.32 | | extra, extra, read all about it, screenshot is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpaqScreenshots |
| 05:58.51 | CrazyGogo | ibot screenshots |
| 05:58.51 | | CrazyGogo: i don't know |
| 06:01.22 | CrazyGogo | ibot opie screenshot |
| 06:01.22 | | CrazyGogo: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 06:01.25 | CrazyGogo | ibot opie screenshots |
| 06:01.25 | | bugger all, i dunno, CrazyGogo |
| 06:01.39 | CrazyGogo | ibot opie |
| 06:01.39 | | rumour has it, opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info at http://opie.handhelds.org/ http://www.opie.info/ http://www.opie.us/ or in the #opie channel. Installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php?OpieInstallation or respect |
| 06:03.28 | Twiun | mornin' |
| 06:05.44 | Twiun | ROFL - someone wants an openoffice port |
| 06:06.02 | CrazyGogo | :) |
| 06:06.21 | uncon | what are those openoffice ipk's? |
| 06:07.24 | Twiun | fonts |
| 06:07.26 | uncon | fonts? |
| 06:07.29 | uncon | ah |
| 06:07.30 | uncon | okat (: |
| 06:07.43 | uncon | i went back to look and noticed "ttf" |
| 06:08.01 | CrazyGogo | i see a bluetooth manager on the opie screenshots.....!?!?! |
| 06:08.16 | CrazyGogo | not on the z, eh?! |
| 06:08.27 | CrazyGogo | http://131.152.105.154/~opie/screenies/screnies.php |
| 06:08.36 | Twiun | CrazyGogo: just because the stacks have problems doesn't mean the rest can't be developed |
| 06:08.45 | CrazyGogo | *gg* |
| 06:09.15 | CrazyGogo | ok... so we'll have bluetooth in the near future? is there someone seriously opn that topic? |
| 06:09.18 | CrazyGogo | on |
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| 06:10.14 | Twiun | absolutely |
| 06:10.22 | CrazyGogo | coool |
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| 06:10.31 | Twiun | the openzaurus guys are working on it |
| 06:10.52 | CrazyGogo | its a problem in oz? what xactly is it? |
| 06:11.23 | Twiun | I don't know all the details - best ask in #openzaurus a bit later on |
| 06:11.44 | CrazyGogo | ok... well my exam start in 1 hour, so i won't be here that long :) |
| 06:12.02 | Twiun | what exam? |
| 06:12.16 | CrazyGogo | mpeg4 and stuff like that... |
| 06:12.39 | CrazyGogo | what about the opie-remote... does it work with oz/zaurus? |
| 06:12.53 | Twiun | opie questions in #opie ;-) |
| 06:12.57 | CrazyGogo | :) |
| 06:13.07 | CrazyGogo | well its a 'z' question :) |
| 06:13.35 | Twiun | Ahh, yes, *but* it's got opie in the name ;-) |
| 06:13.41 | Twiun | so they'll know more about it |
| 06:13.42 | CrazyGogo | hmmm |
| 06:13.44 | CrazyGogo | ok |
| 06:14.04 | Twiun | remember that most people buying a Z won't know about opie to begin with |
| 06:14.13 | Twiun | think of this channel as a vanilla-Z one |
| 06:14.29 | edhod | Hi, I'm having a problem with the usb connection to my zaurus(Sharp ROM 2.38) from my linux box (RH 7.3, Kernel 2.4.19 compiled from source), i can get a connection (with usbdnet patch) but after what seems to be a random usage of the connection it completely locks up my desktop machine! I have asked the question before but found no solution, anyone have any ideas??? |
| 06:14.33 | CrazyGogo | ahhhhh ;)) |
| 06:16.57 | Twiun | edhod: using usbdnet on your pc, right? |
| 06:17.06 | edhod | yup |
| 06:17.32 | Twiun | I believe it's been known to do that - usbdnet is quite buggy |
| 06:17.54 | Twiun | the maintainer of usbnet is getting a zaurus patch in for 2.4.21 (mots likely) |
| 06:18.00 | Twiun | s/mots/most/ |
| 06:18.12 | edhod | thanks for the info |
| 06:18.47 | edhod | shame 'cause i would really like to use my zaurus more, but having to boot over to windows to tranfer files is a real pain |
| 06:18.56 | Twiun | I think there's a ppp-over-usb howto to get around that problem |
| 06:19.12 | edhod | and qtopiadesktop is looking alot better. |
| 06:19.27 | edhod | hmmm, good point, i'll, look into it, thanks. |
| 06:20.03 | Twiun | qtopiadesktop is improving, true... but they could make more of an effort with their HCI stuff |
| 06:20.12 | edhod | when usbdnet does work, it work really nicley |
| 06:20.38 | Twiun | I know - mine works perfectly |
| 06:20.55 | Twiun | almost out of the box too |
| 06:21.14 | edhod | ugh, my spelling rather bad :) |
| 06:21.43 | Twiun | not to worry - just regexp it into shape ;-) |
| 06:21.59 | edhod | slol |
| 06:22.08 | edhod | lol |
| 06:22.34 | Twiun | and then read your mistakes on the channel logs ;-) |
| 06:22.35 | CrazyGogo | tjo... |
| 06:22.43 | CrazyGogo | #opie is QUIET |
| 06:22.55 | JasonNJ | you guys see our IBM announcement this morning? |
| 06:22.57 | Twiun | CrazyGogo: it's a mite early, and did you read the channel title? |
| 06:22.57 | edhod | anyone seen the liquid skin for the sharp rom on handgo? |
| 06:23.09 | CrazyGogo | yes |
| 06:23.10 | Twiun | JasonNJ: Yo, yep, read it, sounds good! |
| 06:23.34 | Twiun | CrazyGogo: oops - they removed the title I was referring to... |
| 06:23.50 | JasonNJ | gotta go run to work... see ya in a bit |
| 06:23.58 | Twiun | CrazyGogo: it used to say - Opie people are busy coding and may take a looong time to answer |
| 06:24.07 | CrazyGogo | Twiun: its a little late for ppl in germany when u guys finally decide to enter the channel :)))) |
| 06:24.35 | Twiun | CrazyGogo: 3pm is late? |
| 06:24.40 | Twiun | 2pm for me |
| 06:24.53 | CrazyGogo | no, but when ppl in the us get oof work... |
| 06:24.55 | CrazyGogo | off |
| 06:25.06 | CrazyGogo | it around +8 ours i think |
| 06:25.12 | CrazyGogo | +h |
| 06:25.13 | Twiun | Ahhh... but most people are in the channel *during* work hours |
| 06:25.30 | Twiun | CrazyGogo: -7 hours for you actually (or thereabouts) |
| 06:25.31 | CrazyGogo | ohh!? nice working ovr there *GG* |
| 06:25.40 | Twiun | CrazyGogo: I used to from work too... |
| 06:25.44 | CrazyGogo | Twiun: yes, depending on the other side :) |
| 06:26.02 | CrazyGogo | i know that is 8 hours to springfiel/illinois :) |
| 06:26.04 | CrazyGogo | +d |
| 06:26.40 | Twiun | CrazyGogo: no, no... you can't cross the dateline when talking about timezones |
| 06:26.57 | Twiun | CrazyGogo: so US is always -hours |
| 06:27.05 | CrazyGogo | yes i know |
| 06:27.07 | Twiun | CrazyGogo: and Japan is always +hours |
| 06:27.12 | CrazyGogo | just meant the number itself |
| 06:27.15 | CrazyGogo | :) |
| 06:27.30 | Twiun | ahhh, ok |
| 06:27.33 | CrazyGogo | :) |
| 06:27.56 | CrazyGogo | i've been in champaign/illinois for a year, thats why i know :) |
| 06:28.07 | Twiun | gotcha |
| 06:28.15 | CrazyGogo | u bet :) |
| 06:29.03 | CrazyGogo | what about running different GIU's on OZ ? |
| 06:29.12 | CrazyGogo | opie and some tinyX or so...!? |
| 06:29.51 | Twiun | opie is the default one, but you're free to replace it with X or picogui if you feel like it |
| 06:30.34 | CrazyGogo | well i guess both would be nice.... opie AND some tinyX |
| 06:30.56 | CrazyGogo | aren't there apps that need X ? like that gps stuff.... |
| 06:31.04 | Twiun | simultaneously? or opie/on/X ? |
| 06:31.32 | CrazyGogo | choosable when booting... |
| 06:31.41 | CrazyGogo | or switchable |
| 06:31.45 | Twiun | right, feel free to - you can install both |
| 06:31.57 | CrazyGogo | hmmm |
| 06:32.01 | Twiun | tinyX has been ported |
| 06:32.13 | CrazyGogo | yes i know, but what about space? |
| 06:32.15 | Twiun | there's just no boot menu as yet |
| 06:32.29 | Twiun | space depends on your Z and which rom image you choose |
| 06:32.46 | Twiun | tinyX needs a few X libs+ a window manager |
| 06:33.06 | CrazyGogo | suppose i only take opie at first... |
| 06:33.19 | Twiun | Hehe, it's easier to walk to begin with |
| 06:33.38 | CrazyGogo | and for testing reasosn more apps tha a normal user... :) would i still take the 40/24 image? |
| 06:34.33 | Twiun | tailor it to your needs - the X-0 images use all the ram on the Z as memory, the others use part of the ram for storage |
| 06:34.58 | CrazyGogo | `hmmm |
| 06:36.30 | CrazyGogo | i guess i'll start with 40/24 and opie and then bahve like anormal windows user... flash the whole system as i learn :))))9 |
| 06:36.39 | CrazyGogo | behave |
| 06:36.58 | Twiun | it's a good way to go about it |
| 06:37.12 | CrazyGogo | lol - seriously? |
| 06:37.34 | Twiun | yup - the internal rom can be flashed in excess of 100k times |
| 06:37.51 | CrazyGogo | well, buying a Z and flashing the original rom means: 'i dont really need a PDa, i'm just looking for new challenges' *gg* |
| 06:37.59 | Twiun | one thing... never, ever use flashrom or flash for swapfiles ;-) |
| 06:38.23 | CrazyGogo | ok... cf is also noch that good, is it? |
| 06:38.48 | Twiun | CF is a type of flash |
| 06:38.52 | CrazyGogo | what about sd? better way to go? would i install all th apps on some sd-card? |
| 06:39.04 | Twiun | flashrom all have a limited number of writes |
| 06:39.12 | Twiun | sd is also a type... you get the picture ;-) |
| 06:39.16 | CrazyGogo | :) |
| 06:39.50 | Twiun | if you need more ram, think about using a different X-Y split for your ram |
| 06:39.56 | CrazyGogo | what if i install apps on sd... would i be able to take out the sd-card so that a friedcould use the apps installed on the sd.card? |
| 06:40.18 | CrazyGogo | ... on his Z |
| 06:40.29 | Twiun | should work ok |
| 06:40.34 | Twiun | depends on the programs |
| 06:40.48 | Twiun | some may write stuff outside the sd card |
| 06:40.48 | CrazyGogo | cool - where's the default path apps get installed? |
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| 06:41.23 | Twiun | the convention is to have apps install under /opt/QtPalmtop - when installing, that gets remapped depending on the target media |
| 06:41.46 | Twiun | sd -> /mnt/card/opt/QtPalmtop, cf -> /mnt/cf/opt/QtPalmtop, et |
| 06:41.48 | CrazyGogo | i mean: do i _have_ to buy an SD/cf card in th beginning or is it just for user with _a lot_ of apps? |
| 06:41.51 | Twiun | s/et/etc/ |
| 06:42.09 | Twiun | if you're going to flash, then a CF card is a must |
| 06:42.18 | CrazyGogo | ok, but for use? |
| 06:42.23 | Twiun | 32mb or bigger too |
| 06:42.31 | Twiun | You can use the Z without any cards |
| 06:42.32 | CrazyGogo | i've ot 96 right here |
| 06:42.48 | Twiun | that should be ok |
| 06:43.20 | CrazyGogo | thing is: will the Z have enough space to host lets say normal Pim + some testing stuff and still run ok? |
| 06:43.35 | Twiun | the sharp rom manages without any problems |
| 06:43.43 | CrazyGogo | and OZ/opie? |
| 06:43.53 | Twiun | likewise |
| 06:43.55 | CrazyGogo | is that bigger compared to the original image? |
| 06:43.58 | CrazyGogo | ok |
| 06:44.10 | Twiun | the rom image is 16mb by definition |
| 06:44.17 | Twiun | no bigger, no smaller |
| 06:44.46 | CrazyGogo | hm... no i meant if u tried to compare two systems with smae functionality in terms of apps etc... |
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| 06:46.01 | CrazyGogo | did u ever try to tun java3d stuff on the Z? |
| 06:46.13 | Twiun | CrazyGogo: java3d is implemented natively |
| 06:46.20 | Twiun | it'll never be ported |
| 06:46.27 | CrazyGogo | hmmm |
| 06:46.33 | CrazyGogo | in the jeode u mean? |
| 06:46.54 | Twiun | no, no... I think you need to dig java some more ;-) |
| 06:47.04 | CrazyGogo | that has nothing to do with the Z's graphic chipset or so... ? |
| 06:47.33 | CrazyGogo | Twiun: u're right - i didn't even start, yet :)) |
| 06:48.05 | Twiun | java3d contains a software renderer, so no, it's technically possible to have java3d on the Z - but the Z has no floating point support and java3d uses it extensively |
| 06:48.09 | Twiun | it'd be pointless |
| 06:48.25 | CrazyGogo | ohh ok |
| 06:48.29 | CrazyGogo | there we go :) |
| 06:48.50 | Twiun | that's not to say you can't do 3d graphics, just that java3d isn't the way to go |
| 06:48.59 | Twiun | java3d is a Java2 extension |
| 06:49.24 | CrazyGogo | like java sound? |
| 06:49.39 | CrazyGogo | JMF and stuff |
| 06:49.40 | CrazyGogo | ? |
| 06:50.31 | Twiun | yes, although javasound _can_ work under java 1.1 |
| 06:50.50 | Twiun | as you can compile custom jar files that don't need native access |
| 06:50.58 | CrazyGogo | ok! |
| 06:51.05 | CrazyGogo | thx, i won't bug u again... |
| 06:51.13 | CrazyGogo | .. for today (!!!!!) :) |
| 06:51.19 | Twiun | read the sound entry under miscellaneous in my faq ;-) |
| 06:51.32 | CrazyGogo | url? |
| 06:51.37 | Twiun | ibot: java faq |
| 06:51.37 | | somebody said java faq was the Zaurus Java FAQ at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 06:52.05 | CrazyGogo | (my mysql/php bookmark db ain't up and running, yet :))) |
| 06:52.36 | Twiun | ahh |
| 06:53.37 | CrazyGogo | will run on the intranet so that i can categorize and describe my bookmarks and find stuff via fulltext search ... |
| 06:54.37 | Twiun | bah, you wimp ;-) keep it all in your head! |
| 06:54.42 | CrazyGogo | :)) |
| 06:55.06 | CrazyGogo | kill -9 ibot --> what was the url of your faq again, Twiun ?!?! :)) |
| 06:55.44 | Twiun | CrazyGogo: type "/msg ibot java faq" |
| 06:55.47 | CrazyGogo | when are u going to finish to translate the french howto?! :)) i seem need it soon |
| 06:56.16 | Twiun | CrazyGogo: I'll probably continue on tuesday - I'm revising for my interview on monday |
| 06:56.27 | CrazyGogo | interview? |
| 06:56.35 | Twiun | UBS Warburg |
| 06:56.43 | CrazyGogo | öhhm... which is? |
| 06:56.44 | Twiun | Systems developer position |
| 06:56.51 | CrazyGogo | ahh yes... |
| 06:56.59 | Twiun | UBS as in the swiss bank... |
| 06:57.12 | CrazyGogo | well im 22 @ university... don#t have to look into that, yet :) |
| 06:57.31 | Twiun | 25 in december ;-) |
| 06:57.31 | CrazyGogo | u' from where? uk? |
| 06:57.38 | Twiun | not all that far away CrazyGogo |
| 06:57.41 | CrazyGogo | heehee - fnnished university? |
| 06:57.47 | CrazyGogo | CH? |
| 06:57.49 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin eveyrone |
| 06:58.48 | CrazyGogo | evening Cloudchaser |
| 06:58.48 | Twiun | Hiya Cloudchaser |
| 06:58.48 | CrazyGogo | lol |
| 06:58.49 | CrazyGogo | Twiun: thatÄs why u translate the faq... imean the averege brit isn't able to speak a word french :)) |
| 06:58.51 | CrazyGogo | agerage |
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| 07:01.43 | Twiun | CrazyGogo: Haha... it's a good thing I'm translating in this direction... my written french is almost as bad as their spoken french ;-) |
| 07:01.53 | CrazyGogo | lol |
| 07:02.02 | CrazyGogo | mine sucks in either way :)) |
| 07:02.30 | Twiun | that's ok... my german is non-existant |
| 07:02.35 | CrazyGogo | :) |
| 07:02.45 | CrazyGogo | thatÄs why we're talking english :)) |
| 07:03.07 | CrazyGogo | i'll visit u soon, my gf's favourite country is the uk, u can't escape :))) |
| 07:03.48 | Twiun | Hahah! |
| 07:03.58 | CrazyGogo | when u see this in front of your house it's me :) http://www.easy2design.de/bulli/tigerbus.jpg |
| 07:04.16 | edhod | CrazyGogo: Are you in Germany then |
| 07:04.18 | Twiun | rofl |
| 07:04.26 | CrazyGogo | edhod : sure |
| 07:04.43 | edhod | wish i was right now |
| 07:04.49 | CrazyGogo | why? |
| 07:05.06 | CrazyGogo | where are u from? |
| 07:05.23 | edhod | used to work there, now back in england finishing degree. |
| 07:05.39 | CrazyGogo | ahh... |
| 07:05.50 | CrazyGogo | i'm trying to get trough the 3rd semster :)) |
| 07:05.55 | CrazyGogo | i hate math!!!!!!!! |
| 07:06.16 | edhod | me too i have managed to avoid it this year :) |
| 07:06.20 | CrazyGogo | lol |
| 07:06.34 | CrazyGogo | i have it the first 4 semester :( |
| 07:06.51 | CrazyGogo | where did u work? |
| 07:07.07 | edhod | hp |
| 07:07.12 | CrazyGogo | @ ? |
| 07:07.51 | edhod | hewlett packard based in Boeblingen near Stuttgart |
| 07:08.05 | CrazyGogo | where ibm is... |
| 07:08.32 | kryhme|zZzz | when i see a bus with a text image superimposed over it, i'll know it's you |
| 07:08.34 | edhod | yup & phillips ... etc |
| 07:09.09 | CrazyGogo | hi kryhme :) |
| 07:09.18 | kryhme | hey all |
| 07:09.28 | CrazyGogo | yea if theres a text floting in the sky i must be around :) |
| 07:09.35 | CrazyGogo | +a |
| 07:09.40 | kryhme | ich spreche deutch |
| 07:09.46 | CrazyGogo | macht nix |
| 07:09.48 | CrazyGogo | :) |
| 07:10.13 | CrazyGogo | dreaming of britney speras?! :) |
| 07:10.17 | kryhme | i have been thinking about going to germany for awhile now |
| 07:10.32 | kryhme | 31 hrs... that's not right |
| 07:10.33 | CrazyGogo | where're u from? |
| 07:10.34 | kryhme | haha |
| 07:10.40 | kryhme | i'm from the US |
| 07:10.46 | CrazyGogo | yes but where |
| 07:10.52 | CrazyGogo | columbus?! :) |
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| 07:10.57 | kryhme | pennsylvania mostly, but i'm going to school in ohio |
| 07:11.01 | CrazyGogo | hey benmeyer |
| 07:11.06 | benmeyer | hi |
| 07:11.06 | CrazyGogo | ok... |
| 07:11.09 | benmeyer | see the new news |
| 07:11.13 | benmeyer | IBM and Sharp |
| 07:11.15 | CrazyGogo | i've been to illinois for a year :) |
| 07:11.19 | kryhme | yeah columbus - "america's rectum" |
| 07:11.25 | CrazyGogo | lol |
| 07:11.52 | kryhme | america blows, time to get the hell out |
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| 07:12.09 | CrazyGogo | kryhme: ack |
| 07:12.25 | CrazyGogo | g.w.b. suckz ass |
| 07:12.41 | kryhme | gwb ? |
| 07:12.47 | CrazyGogo | New Head of Microsoft Deutschland Comes From IBM |
| 07:12.56 | CrazyGogo | george 1 bitch |
| 07:12.59 | Com[Plex] | *sigh* |
| 07:13.02 | CrazyGogo | -1 +w |
| 07:13.03 | kryhme | haha |
| 07:13.30 | CrazyGogo | dont u think? |
| 07:13.56 | edhod | Twiun: Im gonna reboot and try PPP over USB, thanks for the help |
| 07:14.01 | kryhme | yeah, he's not too bad, we've just got too many crappy foreign policys, and we pretend like we live in 1950 again where america has just won the war, suffered no damage and makes up 2/3 of the world economy |
| 07:14.43 | CrazyGogo | jop... for me he's too much of an right wing asshole... |
| 07:15.12 | kryhme | he's got the right attitude, but he's going in the wrong direction |
| 07:15.26 | Twiun | edhod: you're welcome |
| 07:15.31 | CrazyGogo | waaaaaa.. everytime i type: sharp.com i get this stupid e-care site... i hate it! |
| 07:15.47 | CrazyGogo | kryhme: right attitude in regarding what? |
| 07:16.14 | CrazyGogo | -in |
| 07:16.31 | edgar | how the heck do you list the files in an uninstalled rpm?? |
| 07:16.40 | edgar | i can never figure out how to do this. |
| 07:17.11 | *** join/#zaurus akawaka (~akawaka@skynet.csn.ul.ie) |
| 07:17.22 | numatrix | edgar: Try rpm -qlf FILENAME |
| 07:17.35 | kryhme | being more agressive when it comes to handling situations, people like clinton and gore just like to pusth the most controversial important stuff aside and either ignore it or make someone else do their work... if the us just said fuck you isreal, and legalized drugs i think the united states could improve itself about 50 times |
| 07:17.40 | numatrix | edgar: ql for query file list and f and the filename to specify which package. |
| 07:18.03 | CrazyGogo | lol |
| 07:18.14 | Wintre | No |
| 07:18.15 | Wintre | rpm -qlp |
| 07:18.18 | CrazyGogo | concerning israel u'r absolutely right... |
| 07:18.20 | kryhme | also if you open the file with kpackage or whateever the manager is, often times there is a tab for you to see which files are going where |
| 07:18.52 | CrazyGogo | where di u read the sharp/ibm news? can't find anything... |
| 07:18.53 | akawaka | does anyone know of a landscape text viewer for the zaurus |
| 07:18.53 | edgar | qlp does it |
| 07:18.55 | edgar | thanks |
| 07:19.07 | edgar | the --help is so unclear, i've tried reading it a thousand times |
| 07:19.09 | akawaka | veiwing code on the narrow screen is awkward |
| 07:19.16 | edgar | -ql i use all the time |
| 07:19.19 | numatrix | whoops, yeah, not f, f is for the package containing the file. My bad. |
| 07:19.30 | Twiun | akawaka: get the rotation packages |
| 07:19.39 | akawaka | rotation packages? |
| 07:19.47 | numatrix | Or run openzaurus which has rotation built in... |
| 07:19.52 | kryhme | really.... |
| 07:19.58 | kryhme | i had no idea |
| 07:20.04 | kryhme | where is the option at? |
| 07:20.35 | numatrix | kryhme: Do the click-hold on any icon and under the settings for that program, you can change the orientation settings. The fact that it's application specific is excellent... |
| 07:21.04 | CrazyGogo | Dell Axim X5 ... yet another ipaq without bluetooth :) |
| 07:21.30 | kryhme | numatrix: wow click-hold is something i didn't even know about.... guess i should have read the instruction manaual after all |
| 07:21.45 | numatrix | kryhme: You can click-hold on the sharp rom for some similar options as well. |
| 07:21.50 | numatrix | kryhme: Though not rotation. |
| 07:23.22 | kryhme | numatrix: yeah, i somewhat remember that... in the sharp rom i would click and hold documnets but try and move them in a circle motion, and i got a properties box... little did i know i was doing it the wrong way... and doing it my backwards way on oz is not as effective |
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| 07:23.46 | kryhme | guess you learn something knew every day |
| 07:23.55 | CrazyGogo | hopefully |
| 07:24.23 | kryhme | taking a poll.... should i goto work today? if i go i'd only be there for about an hour, and not going really dosen't have any consequenes |
| 07:25.00 | Twiun | tough question there.... |
| 07:25.02 | Twiun | ... really tough... |
| 07:25.32 | kryhme | i think i'm leaning for not going, just becuse i have other crap to do. final answer |
| 07:27.18 | djk | Any Sharp employees here? |
| 07:27.44 | kryhme | jasonnj works at sharp when he's here |
| 07:28.00 | kryhme | there may be a few others scattered around |
| 07:28.15 | Cloudchaser | hiya djk |
| 07:28.32 | djk | yeah, didn't see him or sniper wondered if any others might be around, Thanks |
| 07:28.42 | djk | Hi Cloudchaser |
| 07:28.48 | Cloudchaser | how's it going with you? |
| 07:28.57 | djk | OK |
| 07:29.09 | Cloudchaser | any luck with the wireless? |
| 07:29.23 | djk | ambicom is testing the 2.38 rom and experiencing the same problem |
| 07:29.33 | djk | hopefully they might be able to figure out the fix |
| 07:29.37 | Cloudchaser | ah cool |
| 07:29.51 | djk | I hate to back level and reinstall everything |
| 07:30.01 | Cloudchaser | adding that entry didn't help? |
| 07:30.05 | djk | real bummer though |
| 07:30.08 | djk | nope |
| 07:30.38 | djk | did the trick for the linksys on the laptop though ;-) |
| 07:30.42 | Cloudchaser | well if ambicom is experiencing the same issue, at least it wasn't something you are doing wrong, or bad advice from me |
| 07:30.53 | djk | true |
| 07:31.01 | Cloudchaser | and your home network? |
| 07:31.03 | djk | it does make you feel better |
| 07:31.06 | Cloudchaser | is that all working out? |
| 07:31.13 | djk | working like a charm |
| 07:31.22 | Cloudchaser | ah good :) that was a new one for me |
| 07:31.52 | Cloudchaser | hey did ambicom test it out on 2.37 rom? |
| 07:32.08 | djk | I tried to switch the dhcp server but unfortunately you can't define the default route for it to hand out so had to switch back |
| 07:32.30 | Cloudchaser | so you still have the one feeding both switches? |
| 07:32.38 | djk | No they had it working with the 2.12 I think |
| 07:33.03 | Cloudchaser | ah...way old rom |
| 07:33.15 | uncon | are tkc apps supposed to work smoothly with oz? |
| 07:33.23 | Cloudchaser | they work |
| 07:33.29 | uncon | smoothly? |
| 07:33.31 | djk | I gave the wireless a static and the other hands out the addresses for the clients |
| 07:33.44 | Cloudchaser | but i have small issue with them with -23 theKompany file |
| 07:33.44 | uncon | i've had problems ever since i started with oz |
| 07:33.54 | Cloudchaser | they all work smoothly so far that i can tell |
| 07:34.02 | uncon | i have to uninstall the addressbook and calendar? |
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| 07:34.13 | Cloudchaser | but i have -23 version and can't see the X and OK in the upper right corner |
| 07:34.14 | djk | cc: you staying with OZ this time? |
| 07:34.19 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o JasonNJ ] by ChanServ |
| 07:34.19 | Cloudchaser | don't know yet |
| 07:34.22 | mandrake | JasonNJ: morning |
| 07:34.23 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 07:34.26 | Cloudchaser | no vnc yet although kergoth is working on it |
| 07:34.28 | djk | JasonNJ: morning |
| 07:34.32 | Cloudchaser | and that little tkc issue |
| 07:34.46 | Cloudchaser | yes you have to remove the address book and calendar from oz first |
| 07:34.56 | djk | JasonNJ: got a question on ROM 2.38 and the Ambicom wireless |
| 07:35.05 | Cloudchaser | not being able to see the X and OK in the upper righ corner is a bit of an issue for me |
| 07:35.27 | Cloudchaser | seems to work on with -21 version of thekompany file from what i've heard |
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| 07:41.56 | BigBoss | howdy ho |
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| 07:43.36 | BigBoss | i'm assuming you've seen http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7038193921.html |
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| 07:45.58 | ljp | heh I wonder if it will include the vaporware IBM/Trolltech TTS crapola .. heh |
| 07:46.41 | BigBoss | TTS? |
| 07:46.42 | mandrake | TTS on the Z is not vapor |
| 07:46.46 | mandrake | we did it :) |
| 07:46.52 | mandrake | just not using ibms synthesizer |
| 07:46.53 | ljp | text to speach. |
| 07:47.04 | BigBoss | oh yea - that's what I was just going to bitch about |
| 07:47.11 | ljp | oh I know you guys did, mandrake. I was commenting on the IBM/TT fiasco |
| 07:47.12 | BigBoss | almost 2 years now since the big announcement |
| 07:47.36 | ljp | I emailed Aron about that, he said he'd ask when he got back to Olso |
| 07:47.47 | BigBoss | supposedly they had text to speech, speech to text and command/control as Qt widgets |
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| 07:48.00 | BigBoss | don't bother, I've been bugging the CEO about it ever since they announced it |
| 07:48.12 | BigBoss | basically IBM could never decide how they wanted to sell it, so they dropped it |
| 07:48.44 | ljp | that would be really cool tho for the 5600 |
| 07:49.12 | ljp | speech control for stuff would be nice, if done correctly |
| 07:49.50 | uncon | when is the 5600 supposed to hit us shelves? |
| 07:49.55 | mandrake | I've used both synthesis and recognition on the z 5500 |
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| 07:50.03 | mandrake | so it is possible |
| 07:50.06 | djk | 5600? is there a product annoucment I missed? |
| 07:50.09 | JasonNJ | uncon: january |
| 07:50.51 | uncon | awesome |
| 07:50.55 | CrazyGogo | JasonNJ: and europe? |
| 07:50.58 | BigBoss | mandrake: what software are you talking about? |
| 07:51.04 | djk | is that the same form factor as the SL-5X00? or a completely different design still using Linux |
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| 07:51.14 | mandrake | BigBoss: I've used our synthesizer and MTI's recognizer |
| 07:51.31 | BigBoss | is this cepstral or something else? |
| 07:51.37 | edhod | Hi, anyone know how to get ppp over usb working with the new security features in the Sharp 2.38 rom? |
| 07:51.42 | mandrake | cepstral's synthesizer, yes :) |
| 07:51.45 | prpplague | benmeyer: you headed to comdex with raj? |
| 07:51.59 | Cloudchaser | mandrake: who do you work for? |
| 07:52.04 | benmeyer | no way |
| 07:52.11 | benmeyer | I have been to enough shows this year |
| 07:52.17 | prpplague | benmeyer: lol |
| 07:52.24 | ljp | thing is, mandrake, for your software, you need alof of memory, which the 5600 has |
| 07:52.27 | benmeyer | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/gallery/dir.php?gallery=2002/ |
| 07:52.43 | BigBoss | mandrake: weren't we talking about this some months ago? |
| 07:52.48 | mandrake | BigBoss: yeah. |
| 07:52.53 | prpplague | benmeyer: i'm suppose to ship one of my prototype back packs to raj at the hotel |
| 07:52.56 | ljp | plus it has a speaker and mic |
| 07:53.12 | mandrake | ljp: you only need an SD card or CF card, and that's for voice storage |
| 07:53.13 | JasonNJ | prp: you've been working with Raj? |
| 07:53.20 | prpplague | benmeyer: problem is i have no qt software to demo it with, all my stuff is x |
| 07:53.29 | prpplague | JasonNJ: ya on the barcode scanner backpack |
| 07:53.30 | benmeyer | prpplague: when plenty of other people will be there |
| 07:53.35 | benmeyer | I am the only one tha tisn't going |
| 07:53.42 | JasonNJ | lucky you... lol |
| 07:53.46 | benmeyer | http://www.miZaurus.com/ |
| 07:53.47 | ljp | mandrake: any releases/demos? |
| 07:54.11 | mandrake | ljp: the only demos you can get really are our web demos |
| 07:54.14 | mandrake | http://www.cepstral.com/demo |
| 07:55.47 | BigBoss | mandrake: so what kind of requirements does it have hardware wise? |
| 07:55.47 | mandrake | BigBoss: for realtime performance? *shrug* it runs fine on any sa110 |
| 07:55.47 | CrazyGogo | ahh yes.. dreamtheater.... |
| 07:57.14 | Twiun | JasonNJ: about the mirror - it's going to be a major hassle to translate those cgi links... now that's only required for windows platforms... are you ever going to have it on a windows server? |
| 07:57.25 | BigBoss | CrazyGogo: you tuned in? |
| 07:59.01 | CrazyGogo | big sure.. it's working better today! though it getting worse :(( |
| 07:59.11 | benmeyer | hahaha |
| 07:59.50 | CrazyGogo | i guess 2 listeners is the right number for me :)) unfortunately there'S not the good music when the us is assleep :) |
| 07:59.58 | kergoth | morning all |
| 08:00.04 | CrazyGogo | evening kerg! |
| 08:00.08 | BigBoss | CrazyGogo: it is just random play, and you can request songs |
| 08:00.21 | CrazyGogo | BigBoss: ah ok... |
| 08:00.27 | kergoth | hey shawn, jason, Twiun, ben, et cetera |
| 08:00.37 | BigBoss | hey kergoth |
| 08:01.05 | BigBoss | CrazyGogo: I must admit that sometimes we end up with some clunkers in a row. I just pulled a couple acts off the play list that were bugging me |
| 08:01.05 | prpplague | kergoth: morning |
| 08:01.06 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin kergoth |
| 08:01.26 | CrazyGogo | BigBoss: clunkers? |
| 08:01.57 | CrazyGogo | the queen stuff seemed to be realy bad quality.. !? |
| 08:02.32 | BigBoss | CrazyGogo: stuff I didn't like, such as Djam Karet |
| 08:02.52 | edhod | Twiun: hi got ppp over usb working, there is a connection, but as there are some security features in the Sharp 2.38 rom i cannot connect to port 4242, doesn't the ip of the usb interface on the desktop machine have to be assigned by dhcpd on the zaurus? Any ideas? |
| 08:02.58 | CrazyGogo | yeah pull it off :) |
| 08:03.10 | BigBoss | CrazyGogo: there might be some stuff in there, especially with the MP3's that isn't ripped at the same high quality. all the Ogg Vorbis stuff is very good though and freshly ripped, we will migrate soon |
| 08:03.24 | CrazyGogo | :) ok... |
| 08:03.36 | CrazyGogo | well i really have to got now... |
| 08:03.49 | BigBoss | tally ho |
| 08:03.51 | CrazyGogo | boa that YES sounds every bad, too |
| 08:04.07 | CrazyGogo | see ya... |
| 08:06.48 | mandrake | damn I have a headache this morning |
| 08:06.55 | mandrake | and my foot is still killing me |
| 08:07.02 | BigBoss | stop kicking yourself in the head then |
| 08:07.15 | mandrake | pain |
| 08:07.22 | BigBoss | take mega doses of ibupropen |
| 08:09.18 | prpplague | or beer |
| 08:09.46 | JasonNJ | everyone saw the IBM thing this morning right |
| 08:09.48 | JasonNJ | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7038193921.html |
| 08:09.57 | BigBoss | actually, take the beer and a vicodan and the ipupropen |
| 08:10.07 | BigBoss | JasonNJ: yes I saw it. I almost wet myself. |
| 08:10.21 | BigBoss | now, what is Rodney Atkins email address? :) |
| 08:11.48 | prpplague | JasonNJ: same hardware just a different rom version? |
| 08:11.59 | Twiun | edhod: when you say cannot connect, can you be more specific? does it say 421 Service not available? |
| 08:12.51 | Twiun | hey kergoth... when are you getting your caffeine implant? |
| 08:13.37 | BigBoss | start eating those caffenaited pepppermints |
| 08:13.44 | edhod | Twiun: the error i get is "Connected to 192.168.129.201. |
| 08:13.45 | edhod | 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection |
| 08:13.50 | BigBoss | I think I'm the only person on the planet other than some mormons that doesn't drink coffee |
| 08:13.52 | edhod | ooopps |
| 08:13.53 | prpplague | Twiun: same day digi gives him a pay raise so he can a afford it, lol |
| 08:13.59 | Twiun | edhod: ok, simple stuff ;-) |
| 08:14.15 | prpplague | BigBoss: its an evil habit |
| 08:14.23 | Twiun | edhod: your desktop pc has to be have the 192.168.129.1 ip |
| 08:14.28 | prpplague | BigBoss: i started when i was in the army |
| 08:15.21 | Twiun | prpplague: you mean you can't get some osmotic tubing and some instant coffee? |
| 08:15.31 | edhod | Twiun: yup thats what i assigned it in the pppd statement |
| 08:15.47 | Twiun | edhod: Sharp ROM, right? |
| 08:15.54 | edhod | yup 2.38 |
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| 08:16.21 | Twiun | hmmm... anyone else? |
| 08:16.51 | ljp_work | ouch |
| 08:17.01 | edhod | Twiun: does the address have to be assigned by the dhcp daemon on the zaurus? |
| 08:18.00 | Twiun | edhod: not sure... what ip does it currently show as? |
| 08:18.49 | kergoth | Twiun: DONT POKE ME when i havent had my coffee |
| 08:19.43 | edhod | Twiun: i bring up pppd on the desktop machine with "pppd /dev/ttyUSB0 noauth 192.168.129.1:192.168.129.201" |
| 08:20.01 | Cloudchaser | BigBoss: I don't drink coffee :) |
| 08:20.12 | Twiun | edhod: right, does ifconfig agree? |
| 08:20.13 | BigBoss | Cloudchaser: so you're mormon then? :) |
| 08:20.22 | Cloudchaser | but i do consume diet coke in large quantities ;) |
| 08:20.44 | Cloudchaser | haha an no i'm not a mormon |
| 08:20.49 | edhod | Twiun: Yup |
| 08:21.13 | prpplague | Cloudchaser: mormon or moron? jk |
| 08:21.23 | Cloudchaser | oh well i *could* be a moron |
| 08:21.34 | Twiun | edhod: and on the Z? |
| 08:21.40 | kergoth | AHH |
| 08:21.42 | Cloudchaser | but i dont' like to share, so i *couldn't* be a mormon ;) |
| 08:21.42 | kergoth | today sucks. |
| 08:21.44 | kergoth | it sucks already. |
| 08:21.59 | prpplague | kergoth: ya well its been sucking since 4am |
| 08:22.11 | Cloudchaser | its friday though! that's got to count for something! |
| 08:22.23 | kergoth | 3 problem reproductions to do, and no time to do any of it because there are 16 calls in queue to be called back, plus live calls, plus we're out 4 people from our usual short staffed nature. |
| 08:22.39 | Cloudchaser | :( |
| 08:22.58 | prpplague | 16 in the que? |
| 08:23.03 | edhod | Twiun: Yup all looks ok |
| 08:23.51 | kergoth | prpplague: we normally have 3-5 |
| 08:23.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 08:24.16 | Twiun | edhod: ok then... I'm running out of ideas - try getting the Z to give out the ip |
| 08:24.51 | kergoth | 2/window 12 |
| 08:24.53 | kergoth | er |
| 08:25.38 | edhod | Twiun: Yeessss, hmm i will have to look into that, anyways thanks for trying. |
| 08:26.42 | edhod | Twiun: I can ping both ways so there doesn't seem to be any problem wit the link, just the security on port 4242. |
| 08:27.00 | prpplague | kergoth: lol, we normally have around 100 |
| 08:27.05 | Twiun | edhod: yeah, it figures... fancy trying OZ? |
| 08:28.29 | edhod | Twiun: does it sync with qtopiadesktop? |
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| 08:30.17 | Twiun | edhod: it does with the latest one |
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| 08:32.21 | edhod | Twiun: maybe i'll look into it, but i am pretty pleased with the sharp roms. |
| 08:33.51 | edgar | anyone using the Z with their cell phone for internet access? |
| 08:34.31 | edhod | edgar: yup |
| 08:34.39 | edgar | as in you? |
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| 08:35.16 | edhod | edgar: i have used it once or twice, but it is rather expensive. |
| 08:35.22 | edgar | what phone/service? how well does it work? |
| 08:36.33 | edhod | i am using the ir port to connect to my nokia 6310, and dialin to a normal isp, freeserve in the UK, its slooowww, but it works |
| 08:39.10 | kryhme | i do that studd too ehod |
| 08:39.14 | kryhme | edhod |
| 08:39.18 | kryhme | stuff |
| 08:39.43 | kryhme | i used to do it with my palm m100 to talk on aim and stuff also |
| 08:40.27 | edhod | handy if you need to fire off a quick email from the middle of nowhere. |
| 08:40.33 | kergoth | ARGH |
| 08:40.42 | JasonNJ | hahahah |
| 08:43.01 | JasonNJ | man I am never ordering the spiciest level hot wings ever again |
| 08:43.10 | JasonNJ | my ass is on FIRE |
| 08:43.36 | Twiun | rofl |
| 08:43.58 | JasonNJ | I feel like someone shoved a hot poker up my rear end |
| 08:44.29 | JasonNJ | Twiun: they got hot wings in england? |
| 08:44.35 | kryhme | know what i am never ordering..... anything from tiger direct |
| 08:45.33 | edgar | edhod: what is the rate? 9600? |
| 08:45.51 | edgar | edhod: is the limit based on the ir connection? |
| 08:46.05 | Twiun | JasonNJ: yup - but not usually any choice of spice levels, I don't think the brits are that fussy... we've got the Indian stuff for that |
| 08:46.08 | JasonNJ | burn baby burn... disco inferno... |
| 08:46.30 | JasonNJ | "anyone fancy a Kebab?" |
| 08:46.51 | JasonNJ | tikka masala baby |
| 08:47.07 | edgar | anyone remember that old saturday night live skit about the guy trying to order the super fire hot wings? |
| 08:47.08 | Twiun | anyone know anything that can play window media player 8 files? |
| 08:47.17 | JasonNJ | edgar: yes |
| 08:47.21 | bipolar | JasonNJ: cool news with the Sharp/IBM thing |
| 08:47.25 | edhod | mmmmm Kebab |
| 08:47.27 | Twiun | errr... on linux that is |
| 08:47.35 | BigBoss | JasonNJ: as attractive as picture your ass on fire is, I'm not sure if it is for everyone :) |
| 08:47.35 | edgar | that happened to me the other day, sort of.. |
| 08:47.38 | DaJoker | Twiun: mplayer might |
| 08:47.40 | kryhme | Twiun: you need to be more specific |
| 08:47.51 | BigBoss | JasonNJ: you know how to reach Rodney Atkins? |
| 08:47.52 | kryhme | Twiun: are you talking about .wma files? |
| 08:47.58 | edgar | they immediately started trying to talk me out of my order |
| 08:48.02 | JasonNJ | Big: Rodney? |
| 08:48.05 | edgar | and when i insisted.. |
| 08:48.14 | edhod | edgar: ypu i think it will be limited by the IR link |
| 08:48.23 | edhod | edgar: yup |
| 08:48.37 | edgar | about fifteen minutes later they came out and made me try the sauce |
| 08:48.41 | BigBoss | JasonNJ: he's the quoted guy at IBM in that press release |
| 08:48.46 | JasonNJ | oh |
| 08:48.54 | edgar | it truly was very hot, but at that point i couldn't back down |
| 08:49.01 | JasonNJ | they also got a guy running that group named Ozzy Osbourne |
| 08:49.04 | JasonNJ | I shit you not |
| 08:49.08 | BigBoss | too funny |
| 08:49.10 | edgar | and my ass was less than not on fire the next day |
| 08:49.35 | BigBoss | when I go to mexico I always take immodium before going out, and some antacid |
| 08:49.36 | JasonNJ | Big: I dont deal with the ibm bigwhigs |
| 08:49.46 | Twiun | kryhme: mplayer recognizes it but fucks up the colorspace... it's a .wmv file... mplayer says it's wmv2 |
| 08:49.52 | edgar | probably actually gave me the watered down version too |
| 08:49.58 | JasonNJ | Big: and put on body condoms? lol |
| 08:50.20 | edhod | whats the enterprise edition zaurus is going ot be? differnet to the SL series i mean? |
| 08:50.47 | JasonNJ | edhod: likely a modified SL5600 I would imagine, details arent really set yet |
| 08:51.48 | bipolar | edhod: I *think* its just a 5600 with additional IBM software. Not sure though. |
| 08:51.49 | JasonNJ | fact is, I dont think THEY know yet |
| 08:51.49 | edhod | JasonNJ: lol |
| 08:51.50 | JasonNJ | but the upshot is, IBM is working with us, which is cool. |
| 08:51.50 | edhod | yup v. cool |
| 08:51.51 | JasonNJ | there is so much stuff on the plate |
| 08:52.03 | BigBoss | chicken, rice, hot dog, hamburger :) |
| 08:52.11 | edhod | kebab |
| 08:52.36 | BigBoss | yum, hamburger kebab |
| 08:52.55 | edhod | :) |
| 08:53.03 | JasonNJ | well, doing business with ibm is like going to a smorgasboard that hasnt been served yet |
| 08:53.18 | BigBoss | yea, lots of talk |
| 08:53.26 | BigBoss | more like going to a strip club, look but don't touch |
| 08:53.50 | BigBoss | god I'm sick at looking at legal contracts |
| 08:54.02 | JasonNJ | bigboss: you are a bitter old man |
| 08:54.25 | BigBoss | I've got an 18 page one and a 4 page one to go through today |
| 08:54.37 | BigBoss | I like to parse them before I give them to our legal dept. first |
| 08:55.25 | BigBoss | but it's like all I've been doing the last 2 weeks is freaking contracts for one thing or another |
| 08:55.49 | BigBoss | I got the strangest follow up letter from the MPEG4 attorneys the other day, didn't understand a word of it, and then I accidently threw it away. |
| 08:55.57 | edhod | How can handgo be _selling_ the liquid skin for the zaurus, i thought it was produced for free buy mosfet and converted by the opie ppl? |
| 08:56.32 | BigBoss | you can sell whatever you want for the most part |
| 08:56.36 | JasonNJ | you can sell GPL stuf |
| 08:56.37 | BigBoss | especially gpl stuff |
| 08:56.44 | BigBoss | what do you think most distro's are doing |
| 08:56.54 | JasonNJ | redhat is gpl for the most part |
| 08:57.12 | edhod | true |
| 08:57.20 | edhod | but you can download redhat for free |
| 08:57.26 | JasonNJ | right |
| 08:57.30 | BigBoss | and I think the one being sold doesn't have some of the problems the ported one has |
| 08:57.35 | treke|home | and you can download the source for liquid for free |
| 08:57.40 | BigBoss | so if you want to buy this guys port and then make it available for free, you can |
| 08:58.01 | BigBoss | the problem is liquid still has problems - mosfet is notorious for getting bored and not finishing stuff |
| 08:58.58 | edhod | also although it looks great, i'm thinking that it might be a bit over the top for a handheld?? |
| 08:59.14 | treke|home | not really. Some apps dont like it, but it works fine |
| 08:59.26 | treke|home | a bit slower than some themes, but its to be expected |
| 09:00.14 | BigBoss | it was breaking lots of apps on the desktop last time I tried to use it |
| 09:00.37 | chouimat | morning |
| 09:00.40 | treke|home | the only thing I've seen break has been hancomm |
| 09:00.49 | treke|home | tkcmemo looks rather slick with it :) |
| 09:01.04 | BigBoss | that would be interesting to see |
| 09:01.33 | zecke | BigBoss: that is simply his bad US attitude( concerning mosfte ) |
| 09:01.58 | BigBoss | zecke: has nothing to do with being US, it has to do with being a young hot head |
| 09:02.18 | chouimat | hi zecke, BigBoss. |
| 09:02.23 | treke|home | BigBoss: I'll take a screenshot eventually |
| 09:02.25 | BigBoss | I can't believe that AwareReports is still listed on myzaurus, it doesn't even run on the zaurus |
| 09:02.37 | zecke | BigBoss: it has to do something with not beeing open minded and not beeing educated in this respect... |
| 09:02.56 | BigBoss | which is still not a US phenominon |
| 09:02.56 | zecke | BigBoss: it's like US is the best and every one else is just on crack attitude |
| 09:03.01 | mandrake | if you sell GPL code, you have to offer the source for free |
| 09:03.06 | chouimat | zecke:egotic attitude |
| 09:03.11 | mandrake | just like if you distribute it |
| 09:03.16 | zecke | chouimat: it's even worse :( |
| 09:03.20 | Wintre | You could say the US is worse about that in general, but it's a pretty weak generalization |
| 09:03.29 | BigBoss | mandrake: you have to make notice of how to get the source, which you can also charge for |
| 09:03.33 | zecke | Wintre: sure it's pretty weak |
| 09:03.44 | BigBoss | zecke: that is a bigoted opinion |
| 09:03.51 | BigBoss | it's like me saying all french are wimps |
| 09:04.19 | BigBoss | we've got 300 million people in this country |
| 09:04.20 | kryhme | some stereotypes are not without merit |
| 09:04.39 | kryhme | i'm not talking about the french though |
| 09:04.45 | BigBoss | europes problem is an undying clasping of stereotypes |
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| 09:05.03 | kryhme | BigBoss: do you live in france? |
| 09:05.05 | BigBoss | so there is another stereotype for you |
| 09:05.10 | zecke | BigBoss: You've to admit that many youth americans do not know what Europe is... |
| 09:05.21 | BigBoss | I've been there and I've worked with the french before |
| 09:05.25 | zecke | BigBoss: at least that happened when I was an exchange student in the US |
| 09:05.31 | BigBoss | zecke: so what? most europeans don't know jack about the US either |
| 09:05.33 | edhod | zecke: or where it is :) |
| 09:05.38 | akawaka | what is europe? |
| 09:05.48 | BigBoss | europe is a city in belgium |
| 09:05.52 | zecke | BigBoss: they even asked me if we've Mercedes Benz in Germany... |
| 09:05.53 | Wintre | kryhme: Heh |
| 09:05.55 | edgar | isnt europe a country in africa? |
| 09:06.04 | akawaka | hmmm |
| 09:06.07 | akawaka | no |
| 09:06.09 | edgar | or wait, a state in the country of africa? |
| 09:06.13 | benmeyer | http://www.staikos.net/~staikos/pocketcellar/ |
| 09:06.15 | edhod | belguim is a really rude word only used by people who dont know what it means :) |
| 09:06.16 | ljp_work | zecke: most americans are just dumb, comes from too much american TV |
| 09:06.18 | akawaka | its somewhere is algiers |
| 09:06.20 | BigBoss | zecke: so what? there are plenty of questions you are going to get wrong about the US that people will think you are dumb |
| 09:06.21 | zecke | edhod: france is africa ;) |
| 09:06.26 | kryhme | kerogth: so you going to vegas, eh? |
| 09:06.34 | Wintre | zecke: No, Africa is France |
| 09:06.34 | zecke | ljp_work: thank you ;) |
| 09:06.50 | chouimat | they asked me if we eat beaver in Canada |
| 09:06.55 | ljp_work | haha |
| 09:06.56 | edgar | america is a lot more diverse and complicated then the american are dumb stereo allows for.. |
| 09:06.57 | kryhme | haha |
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| 09:07.01 | ljp_work | did you say yes |
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| 09:07.12 | edhod | zecke: i'm in england, france is south, africa is south, france is afrcia sounds about right |
| 09:07.17 | chouimat | ljp_work: I said that depend on the specie |
| 09:07.18 | edhod | :) |
| 09:07.20 | BigBoss | there isn't another country in the world that has as complex and diverse population as the US |
| 09:07.28 | kryhme | yep |
| 09:07.35 | kryhme | too many bigots |
| 09:07.37 | ljp_work | I works with the general public.. most americans are dumb |
| 09:07.53 | BigBoss | you could take any microscopic sampling of any group and come up with some dumb ass stereotype |
| 09:08.00 | chouimat | ljp_work: american average mental age is 7 yrs old |
| 09:08.03 | edgar | the problem is not too many bigots, per se, its the bigots running the country thing that is the problem |
| 09:08.03 | BigBoss | i'm of the opinioin that most people in general are stupid |
| 09:08.07 | ljp_work | ever watch Leno show when he goes out on the town and asks easy questions? |
| 09:08.10 | BigBoss | chouimat: actually it is 11 years old |
| 09:08.26 | chouimat | BigBoss: ok so Canada is 15 |
| 09:08.33 | BigBoss | ljp: oh yea, this girl at her college graduation ceremony asked about the gettysburg address |
| 09:08.43 | kryhme | yeah, but you look around america and you see all this cool stuff... and you wonder who thinks up all these things, because everyone in america that i interact with is a fool for the most part |
| 09:08.44 | ljp_work | essch |
| 09:08.47 | BigBoss | she responded "Oh, I know where it is" |
| 09:08.50 | zecke | BigBoss: Another Topic. Do you happen to know linuette or mizi? |
| 09:08.57 | BigBoss | zecke: yes |
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| 09:09.34 | zecke | BigBoss: there GUI bases on Qt/E but it's not Qtopia? |
| 09:09.57 | edgar | there's no such thing as the general public |
| 09:09.59 | BigBoss | think of it like this, Qt/E is Qt and Qtopia is KDE |
| 09:10.12 | BigBoss | there are two different license fee's for TT depending on what you use |
| 09:10.22 | BigBoss | so they used Qt/E and wrote their own Qtopia basically |
| 09:10.25 | edgar | general public of where - idaho, boston, san fransico, |
| 09:10.33 | BigBoss | I guess this was to make sure that there would be almost no software for it |
| 09:10.34 | BigBoss | :) |
| 09:10.46 | JasonNJ | |
| 09:10.50 | JasonNJ | |
| 09:10.52 | edgar | the popular opion in these areas would be totally different on all important nation things |
| 09:10.54 | JasonNJ | |
| 09:10.57 | JasonNJ | |
| 09:11.01 | JasonNJ | |
| 09:11.05 | JasonNJ | |
| 09:11.08 | zecke | BigBoss: so you're most likely not to support their platform |
| 09:11.09 | JasonNJ | |
| 09:11.12 | JasonNJ | |
| 09:11.15 | JasonNJ | |
| 09:11.17 | kryhme | sup jason |
| 09:11.23 | zecke | JasonNJ: ok get your cat away from your keyboard |
| 09:11.34 | guised | has anyone tried out jamus' faq about hancom word? |
| 09:11.53 | JasonNJ | thank god its friday |
| 09:11.56 | kryhme | amen |
| 09:11.57 | BigBoss | zecke: well they have been extremely uncooperative thus far |
| 09:12.05 | chouimat | zecke: cat and keyboard are a good mix :) |
| 09:12.11 | BigBoss | Mizi use to be part of the family of companies that Hancom was part of |
| 09:12.17 | BigBoss | the two CEO's are friends |
| 09:12.33 | zecke | chouimat: my big fat cat always wants to walk across my laptop... |
| 09:12.33 | BigBoss | when I was still working with Hancom, i couldn't get Mizi to respond to anything, even when the Hancom CEO asked him to |
| 09:12.55 | kryhme | all ceos are friends... they all belong to the secret brotherhood of ceoism |
| 09:13.01 | zecke | BigBoss: basicly they do not want to make money? |
| 09:13.19 | chouimat | kryhme: a new religion? |
| 09:13.26 | JasonNJ | bipolar: requires kdelibs to be ported |
| 09:13.34 | JasonNJ | and trimmed down |
| 09:13.34 | benmeyer | minikdelibs |
| 09:13.35 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 09:13.37 | zecke | bipolar: speed and size of binary... |
| 09:13.40 | kryhme | chouimat: more like a cult... with a trial by fire initiation... |
| 09:13.51 | zecke | bipolar: better use the same storage as Koffice and some parts |
| 09:13.58 | zecke | bipolar: and more or less different guis |
| 09:14.06 | chouimat | kryhme: like the IT consultants I heard yesterday in a 5-7 |
| 09:14.14 | benmeyer | Can people please give the author feedback on this app: http://www.staikos.net/~staikos/pocketcellar/ |
| 09:14.39 | BigBoss | zecke: they seem to be like all korean companies I've talked to - like the underpants gnomes |
| 09:14.48 | kryhme | hahahaha |
| 09:14.54 | guised | I can't seem to transfer files to my SD using Qt; should i be able to? |
| 09:14.57 | chouimat | kryhme: I was controling myself to not smack them |
| 09:15.11 | kryhme | chouimat: what were they there for? |
| 09:15.39 | Cloudchaser | benmeyer: is it about the same as the wine app thats on zsi? |
| 09:15.43 | zecke | benmeyer: do you know George? |
| 09:15.55 | chouimat | kryhme: same as me taking a beer |
| 09:16.29 | chouimat | kergoth: can send me an ipk made with gcc 3.2 of pocketcellar |
| 09:17.25 | benmeyer | yup |
| 09:17.32 | benmeyer | I don't know George |
| 09:17.50 | chouimat | benmeyer: I will show that app to my father this weekend |
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| 09:18.15 | benmeyer | it is one of the last contest guys |
| 09:18.22 | benmeyer | once he is done then I can send him a unit |
| 09:18.42 | benmeyer | but I would like him to improve it a little bit more, i.e. get somre more feedback is good |
| 09:19.58 | edgar | booting new kernel. wish me luck |
| 09:20.06 | kergoth | chouimat: yeah, got a url to the sources handy? |
| 09:20.20 | chouimat | kergoth: scroll up |
| 09:20.25 | kergoth | oh yeah, gotcha |
| 09:20.27 | *** part/#zaurus edgar (~bob@66.92.74.197) |
| 09:20.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 09:20.31 | chouimat | or ask benmeyer |
| 09:21.15 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 09:29.48 | edgar | anyone know what the match_flags column is all about in the modules.usbmap file? |
| 09:30.02 | edgar | mine wants to load CDCEther, which i removed. |
| 09:30.07 | edgar | i need it to load usbdnet |
| 09:30.17 | edgar | it also wants to load acm for some reason |
| 09:30.28 | edhod | cant you put CDCEther in the blacklist? |
| 09:30.32 | edgar | i can put in the idVendor and idProduct tags |
| 09:30.40 | edgar | but what is match_flags |
| 09:30.47 | edgar | what is the blacklist |
| 09:31.43 | edhod | blacklist is a list of modules that hotplug will not load |
| 09:31.52 | edgar | ok, what and where is the file. |
| 09:31.52 | Com[Plex | hey benmeyer: could you update the zsi entry for jeodecreator? right now it points to my dump on 256k.net, your page is a bit more informative.. |
| 09:32.02 | Com[Plex | I wouold do it myself, but I cant remember the url to it |
| 09:33.04 | edgar | edhod: do you have a modules.usbmap file and does it have a usbdnet entry with the correct idVendor and idProduct info |
| 09:33.57 | edhod | edgar: i had to give up with usbdnet as it was completely locking up my desktop machine |
| 09:34.45 | edgar | what are you using then? |
| 09:34.49 | edgar | or your not? |
| 09:35.38 | Com[Plex | oh hey. bigboss : any idea when that update will be out that speeds up tkc editor and <was it> mahjong? |
| 09:35.56 | edhod | edgar: im trying to get ppp over usb working, i have a connection but the new security in sharp rom 2.38 for port 4242 is preventing me from getting it working. |
| 09:36.04 | Com[Plex | you mentioned it the other day. piqued my interests |
| 09:38.08 | kergoth | i'm looking forward to the tkcmahjonng speedup myself |
| 09:38.39 | edhod | does anyone know how to get ppp over usb working on Sharp rom 2.38? |
| 09:38.54 | edgar | ok, well were having the same problem then |
| 09:39.13 | edgar | i finally broke down and plugged the Z into my windows machine last night and no problems |
| 09:39.17 | edgar | so i know it will work.. |
| 09:40.18 | Com[Plex | but edgar, what rom are you using? |
| 09:40.23 | edhod | edgar: when i had usbdnet working for a short period, it did work well, it just crashed my desktop machine after a random amount of usage on the connection. |
| 09:40.27 | edgar | 2.38 |
| 09:42.52 | edgar | i can't ping, but it refuses to talk to me on 4242 |
| 09:42.55 | edgar | ftp |
| 09:43.01 | edgar | sorry i CAN ping |
| 09:43.19 | edhod | you have to get the zaurus to assign te ip to the desktop |
| 09:43.29 | edgar | 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection |
| 09:43.34 | edhod | what linux is on your desktop? |
| 09:43.40 | edgar | yes, i tried that yesterday with a different kernel |
| 09:43.48 | edgar | i just rebuilt and am going to try that again |
| 09:43.53 | edgar | this is what i did: |
| 09:43.59 | edgar | dhcpcd usb0 |
| 09:44.05 | edgar | is that right? |
| 09:44.17 | edhod | what distro are you using? |
| 09:44.24 | edgar | rh |
| 09:44.30 | edhod | 7.3? |
| 09:44.45 | edgar | with a 8.0 kernel, patched. 2.4.18-14 |
| 09:44.55 | Com[Plex | well. whats the complication? I understood that with the sharp rom 2.38 that soprt of thing was disabled. - I also understood that the 2.37 rom was identical to 2.38 except for that secureity change. |
| 09:45.00 | edgar | but really its like rh 7.2 or 7.3 |
| 09:45.02 | Com[Plex | confirm? |
| 09:45.09 | edhod | k you need to create a fille |
| 09:45.25 | edgar | soprt? |
| 09:45.35 | edgar | Com]Plex: soprt? |
| 09:45.52 | edgar | 2.38 allowed me to ftp from windows on 4242 |
| 09:46.39 | edgar | edhod: are you talking to me? "you need to create a file" |
| 09:46.42 | edhod | create a file ifcfg-usb0 in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ |
| 09:46.51 | edhod | edgar: yup |
| 09:46.57 | Com[Plex | soprt = sort |
| 09:47.01 | edgar | and what will this file do? |
| 09:47.14 | Com[Plex | opver the usb only tho, right? |
| 09:47.17 | edgar | Com[Plex: ok thats what i thought- what do you think is disabled exactly? |
| 09:47.25 | edgar | yes USB |
| 09:47.36 | edhod | edgar: configures the interface |
| 09:47.51 | edhod | contents of : DEVICE=usb0 |
| 09:47.51 | edhod | ONBOOT=no |
| 09:47.51 | edhod | BOOTPROTO=dhcp |
| 09:48.49 | edhod | edgar: this sorted it out for me |
| 09:48.49 | Com[Plex | well. in some file somewhere, there is a series of settings declared, as to what interface is allowed to communicate o\ver wich ports. - anyway, this may not be your problem at all. since I dont have a cradle. I use a real nic card. |
| 09:48.49 | uncon | why doesn't opie's backup work? |
| 09:49.04 | Com[Plex | uncon, becvause its beta? |
| 09:49.15 | treke | because it's broken? :) |
| 09:49.15 | Com[Plex | you can allways abck up the entire rom, |
| 09:49.18 | uncon | well, it is known to be broken? |
| 09:49.27 | treke | yes |
| 09:49.32 | uncon | ah, ok |
| 09:50.00 | uncon | how can i tar and gzip everything safely? |
| 09:50.03 | edgar | edhod: ok, thats all that goes in the file? |
| 09:50.09 | uncon | (do a backup myself) |
| 09:50.12 | Com[Plex | but I dont know how safe it is to do that right now. I got some weird reseults when I restored mybackup. but ive done it 4 times now, and I cant detect anything bad other than the blinking lights after completion. |
| 09:50.23 | edgar | edhod: then what? usbdcd usb0 ? |
| 09:50.24 | Com[Plex | uncon. here is what I did: |
| 09:50.36 | treke | uncon: tar czf /mnt/card/backup.tgz /root |
| 09:50.50 | Com[Plex | dd if=/dev/mtdblock4 of=/mnt/cf/complex-initrd.bin bs=1024 |
| 09:50.50 | Com[Plex | then rename your image to initrd.bin and flash it later |
| 09:50.57 | edhod | edgar: yup, just the DEVICE, ONBOOT and BOOTPROTO lines |
| 09:51.16 | edgar | edhod: when is this file activated? when i plug in the USB? |
| 09:51.27 | uncon | treke, thanks |
| 09:51.30 | edhod | yup hopefully |
| 09:51.30 | edgar | do i need to run anything else manually? |
| 09:51.37 | treke | Com[Plex: That sound dangerous :) |
| 09:51.37 | Com[Plex | uncon: the above commands wich I pasted, create a flashable image of the flash rom. |
| 09:51.38 | uncon | Com[Plex isn't that kinda... weird way to do it? |
| 09:51.44 | uncon | yeah, i gathered that |
| 09:51.45 | edhod | errr shouldn't |
| 09:51.50 | Com[Plex | not really |
| 09:51.59 | Com[Plex | because the zImage isnt chqanged |
| 09:52.18 | edgar | edhod: ok, i've already manually run ifconfig this time. do you know how i can undo that and uifconfig usb0? |
| 09:52.29 | Com[Plex | only the initrd. - in fact, nothing is changed when you do it. - but you can use that initrd to flash the rom on your z with should you wipe something out, |
| 09:52.54 | uncon | cool |
| 09:52.55 | uncon | thanks |
| 09:53.09 | Com[Plex | then there is this one. tar -czv --exclude /mnt/cf --exclude /mnt/card --exclude /dev --exclude /proc --exclude /mnt/ram -f /mnt/cf/backup.tar.gz / |
| 09:53.11 | edgar | edhod: ok i got it ifconfig usb0 down |
| 09:53.14 | Com[Plex | or wait |
| 09:53.25 | *** join/#zaurus aj2911 (~chatzilla@user052052.pclan.ets.org) |
| 09:53.32 | Com[Plex | tar -czvlf /mnt/cf/backup.tar.gz / |
| 09:53.54 | Com[Plex | -l keeps it on the one drive. wont archive the SD or cf cards |
| 09:54.01 | aj2911 | Hello, me back :) I am unable to connect from Mandrake Linux, usng SSH or VNC, to my Z |
| 09:54.13 | Com[Plex | check cable aj |
| 09:54.18 | aj2911 | however, Ping and Qtopia are working fine with MD Linux |
| 09:54.23 | edgar | YES!! |
| 09:54.25 | Com[Plex | doh@ |
| 09:54.26 | edgar | thank you edhod |
| 09:54.28 | Com[Plex | heheh |
| 09:54.32 | edgar | that worked! |
| 09:54.35 | edhod | edgar: np |
| 09:54.41 | edgar | why could i find that anywhere |
| 09:54.47 | aj2911 | with WinXP, same latop, ping, Qtopia, VNC, SSH all is working fine !!! |
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| 09:54.56 | aj2911 | any ideas ? what I could try ? |
| 09:55.04 | edgar | i'm in, im in |
| 09:55.05 | aj2911 | ROM: ver 2.38 Sharp |
| 09:55.05 | Com[Plex | hmm.. |
| 09:55.40 | Cloudchaser | you got a built in firewall on mandrake? |
| 09:55.40 | edgar | my girlfriend was going to kill me if i spent one more day fiddling with what she calls " that fucking palm pilot" |
| 09:55.50 | Com[Plex | fuck girls |
| 09:55.55 | Com[Plex | girls are DuMB |
| 09:55.56 | JasonNJ | com: well.... |
| 09:55.59 | edgar | that's the idea |
| 09:56.07 | treke | BigBoss: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.26328.png |
| 09:56.29 | Com[Plex | Im so sick of girls thinking they are more important than my hobbies. |
| 09:56.35 | Com[Plex | all they do is Bitch |
| 09:56.41 | Com[Plex | grrrr |
| 09:56.43 | JasonNJ | same with wives |
| 09:56.57 | Cloudchaser | but yet, you still have a wife |
| 09:56.58 | Com[Plex | well hey, if you married one. thats your own fault. |
| 09:57.04 | Cloudchaser | and Com[Plex still has a girl |
| 09:57.07 | edgar | ok, i'm connected finally. |
| 09:57.12 | edgar | now, what to do, what to do.. |
| 09:57.13 | Com[Plex | may as well hand her your penis, AND your mousing hand |
| 09:57.18 | treke | except your wife either gets to be right or gets half your stuff :) |
| 09:57.23 | Com[Plex | hahaha. not any more cloud. lol |
| 09:57.27 | aj2911 | Cloudchaser: fireall, no, I have not setup a firewall, I just installed MD 9.0 a few days back |
| 09:57.59 | Cloudchaser | did it install one automatically? |
| 09:58.05 | edgar | what the largest memory card they have for these things? |
| 09:58.11 | aj2911 | I don't remember, how can I check ? |
| 09:58.20 | aj2911 | i meant, I do;t think so |
| 09:58.33 | Cloudchaser | no idea really how you would check |
| 09:58.38 | Cloudchaser | its just something you might want to |
| 09:58.57 | aj2911 | have tried rebooting Z also.... |
| 09:59.00 | Com[Plex | edgasr, they have 1gb cf flash cards I thinlk. |
| 09:59.12 | Com[Plex | would suck to get one and find out it didnt work tho. |
| 09:59.34 | edgar | 1 gb! whats the point of those microdrives then |
| 09:59.46 | aj2911 | but I guess, firewalls will prevent incoming connections. These connections are outgoing: SSH to Z, VNC to Z.... |
| 09:59.52 | chouimat | Com[Plex: I have the solution for you: DITCH something |
| 10:00.15 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 10:00.30 | Cloudchaser | and it works from windows to z? |
| 10:00.31 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: I said something |
| 10:00.44 | Cloudchaser | hmm? |
| 10:00.55 | edgar | or is that what you mean 1gb microdrive? |
| 10:01.02 | aj2911 | yes, it works from win xp to Z |
| 10:01.34 | Cloudchaser | so could be mandrake blocking response back or something not set up right |
| 10:01.42 | aj2911 | ping and qtopia are working from mandrake to Z |
| 10:01.46 | chouimat | edgar: sandisk make 2GB CF card |
| 10:01.55 | Cloudchaser | chouimat: not sure what you meant there |
| 10:01.58 | aj2911 | hmm, any pointers what can I check... ? |
| 10:02.06 | edgar | Cloudchaser: thats what i need - something for lots of MP3s |
| 10:02.12 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: forget I just wake up |
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| 10:02.46 | Cloudchaser | hello BZFlag |
| 10:02.50 | edgar | Cloudchaser: those are probably more expensive the the Z though huh? |
| 10:02.53 | Cloudchaser | whats new and exciting today |
| 10:03.00 | Cloudchaser | edgar: what are? |
| 10:03.14 | edgar | the 2GB cf card |
| 10:03.22 | aj2911 | i typed (as root) ipchains and iptables, mandrake said not found, so I guess, these are not even installed |
| 10:03.29 | Cloudchaser | oh i didn't say anything about that.. chouimat did i think |
| 10:03.31 | edhod | DOESN'T cf HAVE A LIMITED NUMBER OF WRITES? |
| 10:03.39 | edhod | ooops sorry guys |
| 10:03.40 | edgar | oh yeah, your right? |
| 10:03.45 | aj2911 | my CF card has a 5 year warranty |
| 10:03.55 | edgar | chouimat: those are probably more expensive than the Z though? |
| 10:03.57 | treke | edgar: yes. It does, but it's reasonably large |
| 10:04.10 | aj2911 | i guess after 5 years i will get sick of it anyway, or will upgrade to a higher capacity CF |
| 10:04.13 | edgar | treke: what's It does ? |
| 10:04.19 | Com[Plex | samsung 512mb cf flash for 167 |
| 10:04.20 | chouimat | edgar: sorry just the 1GB is available. 1500$ CDN |
| 10:04.31 | treke | edgar: Compact Flash has a limited number of writes |
| 10:04.33 | edhod | but that would be a pro for the microdrive |
| 10:04.51 | chouimat | edhod: hmmm you will heat the Z |
| 10:05.00 | edhod | yup i had heard that |
| 10:05.01 | Com[Plex | limited, hah. limited to how much? |
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| 10:05.17 | edgar | anyone using their Z as a all around MP3 player, and if so, what do you have and how do you work it? |
| 10:05.26 | aj2911 | Does SSH in Z listens to port 22 ? |
| 10:05.58 | ljp_work | edgar: I do and use opieplayer and opieplayer2 |
| 10:05.59 | treke | Com[Plex: something like 100,000 per sector iirc |
| 10:05.59 | edhod | edgar: i just use a 128 mb CF embedded-xmms and Dr Z blind |
| 10:06.01 | Com[Plex | I use the4 z as an mp3 player every day |
| 10:06.36 | Com[Plex | you need headphones. heh. and a cf card for mp3s. I also ghave a cf card reader connected to my windows pc to get my mp3s onto the cf card |
| 10:06.51 | Com[Plex | treke, I font think Ill ever run out. :> |
| 10:06.58 | Com[Plex | dont font |
| 10:07.20 | edhod | edgar: xmms seems to have a lower CPU usage than the standard player, blind turns off the lcd, bth used to try and improve battery life :) |
| 10:07.26 | Com[Plex | alos, I have a casstet headphone adapter so I can listen to mnop3s in a car wiuth a tape deck |
| 10:07.33 | treke | it's more or less the same problem flash rom has, except its easy to go buy a new compact flash card when you wear it out in a few years :p |
| 10:07.48 | Com[Plex | I just turn off the backlight, leave the LCD open |
| 10:08.01 | Com[Plex | and I use op2 for the player. |
| 10:08.21 | Com[Plex | its still beta, but it works perfectly for me right now. plays my obscure mp3 format too. |
| 10:09.06 | edhod | ah yeah i use the libmadplugin to decode the mp3s |
| 10:09.32 | Com[Plex | - I use mmjb to reduce my mp3s to 64bit. but this format doesnt play on tkc player. - because its a non standard mp3 2.5 or somethin. bigboss suggested that I use tkc ogg ripper to convert them, but I have not yet taken the plunge. |
| 10:09.52 | Com[Plex | maybe ILL check that out tonioght. |
| 10:10.09 | kergoth | Com[Plex: iirc you conversion reduced to 22khz from 44 in addition to the bitrate drop |
| 10:10.14 | kergoth | Com[Plex: he recommended only dropping bitrate |
| 10:10.30 | treke | http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,705217,00.asp <-- these the guys that announced the ppc based zaurus? |
| 10:11.52 | Com[Plex | yteah, thats precicely it. wich was spme obscure format. - I use mmjb to convert: and mmjb doesnt allow me the option of just dropping bitrate. - its not that in depth. - regardless, I have not found something else to rip with - but hey, I got the ogg ripper downloaded some where. Ill just check that out |
| 10:12.45 | DaJoker | treke: yup.. same folks.. they always use the term 'sources close to the company' which could mean anything from the birdie outside the window, to the bum that lives in the box down the street it seems |
| 10:12.55 | treke | hehe |
| 10:12.57 | Com[Plex | ppc based zaurus? |
| 10:13.28 | treke | Com[Plex: they had an article on the 5600 and c300 where they claimed that Sharp was releasing a ppc based zaurus |
| 10:13.31 | ljp_work | I would gladly trade my zaurus in on a fresh warm woman |
| 10:13.39 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 10:13.50 | kergoth | ljp_work: i'll second that |
| 10:13.54 | Com[Plex | ljp. you got a shipping address? Ill send you Julie |
| 10:14.05 | ljp_work | julie.. hmm I like that namwe |
| 10:14.19 | ljp_work | she has to come willingly |
| 10:14.20 | treke | I'd also be willing to trade ljp_work's zaurus for a woman |
| 10:14.29 | ljp_work | heheh.. |
| 10:14.42 | kergoth | treke: you're always so generous |
| 10:14.45 | ljp_work | but I didnt say I'd trade both zaurus' |
| 10:14.45 | Com[Plex | shes got a great body too. and as long as you worship her. and massage her feet, and call her 80 time s a day, you should be all set |
| 10:14.57 | ljp_work | can do |
| 10:15.04 | Com[Plex | I just want a 5500 |
| 10:15.12 | ljp_work | I want a 5600 |
| 10:15.28 | kergoth | Com[Plex: not 79 times, but a full 80 huh? |
| 10:15.30 | treke | the 5500 has quite a nice body |
| 10:15.51 | Com[Plex | actually kergoth, Ive dated her off and on for two years now, and I have NEVER talked to her on the telephpone |
| 10:15.53 | Com[Plex | :> |
| 10:16.06 | Com[Plex | because IM a rotten boyfriend. hence the off and on part :> |
| 10:16.23 | Com[Plex | Get Rid Of Slimy girlS |
| 10:16.55 | treke | the #zaurus chapter of NOMAM? |
| 10:17.55 | Com[Plex | my problem is, that I still want sex wuith girls. but I cant put up with there bullshit. so Im a jerk to em once i get to know emn. -- its like, I look at a girl. and I think "wow, shes interesting" and then I look a little deeper and I think "nah, shes annoying too" |
| 10:18.11 | Com[Plex | anyway, here I make myself look like more aof an asshole. but IM really just centing. |
| 10:18.17 | Com[Plex | venting. |
| 10:18.47 | Cloudchaser | well buy sex then :) |
| 10:19.01 | Cloudchaser | they won't care if you're an asshole to them |
| 10:19.06 | kergoth | lol |
| 10:19.22 | kergoth | I'm an asshole to stupid people, but never to the women i'm with |
| 10:19.25 | kergoth | even if they are annoying |
| 10:20.14 | Com[Plex | what if they are stupid too? |
| 10:20.24 | Cloudchaser | well...being severely outnumbered here.. i'll refrain from arguing about women/men stuff |
| 10:20.28 | kergoth | Com[Plex: still nice then |
| 10:20.31 | Twiun | kergoth: there's no point anyway - they always get the last word, especially as they're always right... |
| 10:20.36 | kergoth | Twiun: yep |
| 10:20.44 | kergoth | gotta pick your battles. |
| 10:20.47 | Com[Plex | not around me. |
| 10:20.49 | Cloudchaser | and complex only a stupid woman would go out with you if you're as much of an asshole as you're saying you are |
| 10:20.55 | Twiun | lol |
| 10:20.58 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: haha, good call |
| 10:21.02 | Com[Plex | cloud: true. |
| 10:21.12 | Com[Plex | why is it that girls like guys that are jerks |
| 10:21.25 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: I'm not sure though... masochistic women exist too you know... it's not just men ;-) |
| 10:21.25 | Cloudchaser | and really...who cares about your sexlife in here anyway? |
| 10:21.29 | Com[Plex | its the chase, thats what it is. |
| 10:21.53 | Cloudchaser | i'm sure you can find a channel that would be happy to hear about your stupid women problems |
| 10:21.59 | Com[Plex | true cloud,. Ill shut up. Im just angry, and hurt. thats why I have this rotten opinion/attitude |
| 10:22.20 | Com[Plex | :the end: whats next on the agenda? |
| 10:22.42 | Com[Plex | something a little more positive please. I seem to have cast a grey shade on the room |
| 10:23.12 | ljp_work | women are great |
| 10:23.16 | treke | mutual hatred for cats? |
| 10:23.26 | Com[Plex | no way! I love cats! |
| 10:23.51 | kergoth | cats are great, and so are women |
| 10:23.52 | Com[Plex | anyone here into electronics at all? |
| 10:23.55 | kergoth | even if they are evil |
| 10:24.20 | Com[Plex | hehehe. kergoth, some day I hope to agree with you on that. maybe I just gotta meet the right one. |
| 10:24.36 | kergoth | I havent met the right one yet |
| 10:24.41 | bipolar | Com[Plex: I was in your position in March. Then I met a Woman in April, and married her on june 29th. Been married almost 5 months now. |
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| 10:24.49 | kergoth | the last few were all simultaniously evil and great |
| 10:24.53 | kergoth | which is confusing |
| 10:24.58 | bipolar | Com[Plex: when it happens, it can happen FAST |
| 10:25.01 | Com[Plex | wow bipolar. thats really brave. |
| 10:25.05 | BigBoss | boy, that Krispy Kream makes some darn good donught |
| 10:25.06 | Com[Plex | yes. it can. |
| 10:25.09 | BigBoss | however you spell it |
| 10:25.22 | Locutus4242 | did you guys see that IBM is backing the Zaurus in the enterprise? |
| 10:25.22 | Com[Plex | bb, so I hear. I have never had them. |
| 10:25.26 | kergoth | Locutus4242: yep |
| 10:25.35 | Locutus4242 | kergoth: :) |
| 10:25.35 | Com[Plex | we only have "Dunkin Donuts" here |
| 10:25.48 | BigBoss | they opened one near me and I just went for the first time, had one straight out of the cooker, my god it renewed my love of donuts |
| 10:25.59 | Com[Plex | haHAHAHA |
| 10:26.01 | BigBoss | i can see why they are popular |
| 10:26.08 | Com[Plex | yeah, fresh donuts are really something else. |
| 10:26.29 | Com[Plex | its like the fresh muffins at KFC |
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| 10:26.44 | ljp_work | or hagis |
| 10:26.46 | treke | BigBoss: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.26328.png |
| 10:26.53 | Cloudchaser | BigBoss: we just got a krispy kreme here too! |
| 10:26.58 | edgar | ok, i seem to be prone to falling off the internet when the Z is connected :( |
| 10:27.21 | edgar | did anyone catch my "dream" before i fell off? |
| 10:27.30 | Com[Plex | dream? no |
| 10:27.31 | BigBoss | there is nothing like fresh hagis - nothing |
| 10:27.50 | ljp_work | heh |
| 10:27.54 | BigBoss | treke: on that does look nice |
| 10:28.08 | BigBoss | i mean "oh" not "on" |
| 10:28.09 | kryhme|pgh | funking girls are never never ready on time |
| 10:28.42 | Cloudchaser | not the day to bash on girls/women kryhme|pgh :) |
| 10:29.18 | kryhme|pgh | yeah, i could have gone to work today, but my gf told me we were leaving at 10 am, so i didn't go... now i'st 12:30 already |
| 10:29.31 | edgar | ok here it: car stand on the dash, gps card with map software, lots of mp3s, hooked into car stereo, synched with kmail and korganizer, headphones for use at gym, and throw in a camera card for good measure, |
| 10:29.41 | kryhme|pgh | cloudchaser, you female? |
| 10:29.46 | Cloudchaser | i sure am ;) |
| 10:29.47 | edgar | anyone doing any of this with their Zaurus |
| 10:29.53 | BigBoss | i love women |
| 10:29.56 | kryhme|pgh | edgar: that's bad ass |
| 10:29.58 | BigBoss | they are much better than men |
| 10:29.59 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 10:30.02 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 10:30.11 | ljp_work | I'd agree with BB |
| 10:30.19 | BigBoss | i don't see what women see in men, but I'm glad they see something :) |
| 10:30.29 | Cloudchaser | well i like men :) |
| 10:30.38 | Cloudchaser | some of them that is *grins* |
| 10:30.41 | ljp_work | I dont see how anyone can look at someone hairy ass and get turned on |
| 10:30.44 | BigBoss | see, if I was a woman, then I would like women :) |
| 10:30.47 | kryhme|pgh | edgar: i use my zaurus at the gym for music and keeping track of my progress |
| 10:30.49 | bipolar | ljp_work: HAHAHA |
| 10:30.49 | Com[Plex | uh.. is there a gps card thats compatable with the Z? |
| 10:31.09 | bipolar | ljp_work: I asked my wife that... she does not know eithre |
| 10:31.11 | edgar | Com[Plex, well there's software for it whatever that is worth |
| 10:31.14 | BigBoss | www.pretec.com |
| 10:31.19 | ljp_work | but I'm just a lesbian in a mans body |
| 10:31.25 | kryhme|pgh | hahaha |
| 10:31.28 | bipolar | lol |
| 10:31.34 | BigBoss | me too, I'd like to be in a big lesbian orgy |
| 10:31.41 | kryhme|pgh | anyone try using pico gui? |
| 10:31.42 | ljp_work | hehehe |
| 10:31.55 | ljp_work | picogui still needs work/apps |
| 10:31.57 | BigBoss | i'll act as the 'strap on' for them :) |
| 10:32.09 | Com[Plex | lets look it up. |
| 10:32.13 | Com[Plex | CF GPS card |
| 10:32.24 | Com[Plex | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=compact+flash+gps+card+ |
| 10:32.25 | BigBoss | www.pretec.com |
| 10:32.28 | edgar | what about the synced with kmail part? anyone use kmail? |
| 10:32.46 | bipolar | edgar: I do. |
| 10:32.46 | BigBoss | Com[Plex: they have a couple options at pretec |
| 10:32.47 | kryhme|pgh | not on my zaurus |
| 10:32.55 | kryhme|pgh | but i use it for my desktop |
| 10:32.59 | edhod | syncing with kmail would be cool |
| 10:33.05 | bipolar | edgar: I use kmail on my desktop, |
| 10:33.08 | Com[Plex | gps options? oh cool. Ill check it out |
| 10:33.17 | edhod | i also use it on my desktop |
| 10:33.17 | kryhme|pgh | yeah, i need to get gps |
| 10:33.20 | bipolar | edgar: zecke is working on kitchensync |
| 10:33.41 | Cloudchaser | i'd like a gps too |
| 10:33.47 | kergoth | AHHHHH |
| 10:33.48 | bipolar | edgar: thats for syncing KDE and the Zaurus |
| 10:33.49 | BigBoss | we're working on gps currently |
| 10:33.49 | kergoth | (again) |
| 10:33.53 | Cloudchaser | for my z .. can't afford one right now |
| 10:34.00 | BigBoss | but the hardware is fairly pricey |
| 10:34.53 | Cloudchaser | i really wish mapopolis software was available for zaurus |
| 10:35.09 | edgar | bipolar: ok, i'll look into it. |
| 10:35.13 | Cloudchaser | can buy the maps and to route mapping without gps and it works with gps too |
| 10:35.50 | edgar | so now that i'm hooked up - do i need to install openzaurus to get all the good software, or does this stuff run on both sharp and oz? |
| 10:35.51 | kryhme|pgh | Cloudchaser: so it's like the navigation stuff for cars? |
| 10:35.54 | BigBoss | well if they have an API for the maps, an app could be written to work with them |
| 10:36.04 | kryhme|pgh | edgar: depends on what you are talking about |
| 10:36.18 | edgar | well, for example kitchensynch |
| 10:36.27 | edgar | and the free gps software thats out there |
| 10:36.30 | Cloudchaser | kryhme|pgh: i saw it on a guy's ppc, its like a local mapquest i guess ;) |
| 10:37.04 | kergoth | edgar: afaik kitchensync doesnt work with sharp rom yet, and its still in development |
| 10:37.22 | edgar | well does oz give me a lot more options software wise |
| 10:37.24 | kryhme|pgh | Cloudchaser: that's cool... i'm building a pc for my car that i'm gonna control via touchscreen on my panel... i'll have to look at adding that |
| 10:38.07 | edgar | i'm just trying to figure out where to start- i'm still in shock that i got it working i guess |
| 10:38.11 | Cloudchaser | kryhme|pgh: a full size pc? |
| 10:38.12 | kryhme|pgh | edgar: it all depends on the software developer (how the prog is made), and what the packages depend on |
| 10:38.34 | edgar | well, oz is a qt thing right? |
| 10:38.40 | kergoth | edgar: oz uses opie |
| 10:38.43 | kergoth | edgar: please go to openzaurus.org |
| 10:38.47 | kryhme|pgh | Cloudchaser: i'm either gonna do a fullsize pc in the trunk and wire it to the panel, which would be cheaper... or build a small pc104 stack and put my stuff on there |
| 10:38.51 | kergoth | edgar: read 1) the "Why OZ?" page, and 2) FAQ |
| 10:39.16 | Cloudchaser | kryhme|pgh: that sounds interesting.. what kind of touch screen? |
| 10:39.27 | Cloudchaser | sometimes i wish my laptop had a touch screen ;) |
| 10:39.30 | edgar | i sort of plan on going to oz, just wondering if thats the first thing i should do.. |
| 10:40.34 | kryhme|pgh | Cloudchaser: well i just recently finished up this project for my company making this device that repairs airplane wings, and we had some hardware issues with the touchscreens. so we've got a few left over that never got used... i'm gonna try and snag one. |
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| 10:40.58 | kergoth | edgar: nah, you should use sharp for a while, then you'll really appreciate OZ when you switch ;) |
| 10:41.32 | kryhme|pgh | Cloudchaser: you can goto earthlcd.com and buy touchscreens and say a pci card for a pc, and run your pc through a touchscreen with very little difficulty |
| 10:42.03 | Cloudchaser | kryhme|pgh: yes but that doesn't work for a laptop ;0 |
| 10:42.09 | coup-shopping | :) |
| 10:42.16 | Cloudchaser | specially the old pos i have :0 |
| 10:42.31 | edgar | kergoth: well, if i start really using this thing and having data in the calendar and todo and address book, i'm be able to transfer it to oz? |
| 10:42.56 | kergoth | edgar: yeah, just use the sync software to keep a copy of your data on your desktop |
| 10:42.59 | kergoth | edgar: then flash OZ and sync |
| 10:43.01 | kergoth | edgar: ;) |
| 10:43.07 | kryhme|pgh | cloudchaser, you can buy touchscreens with an integreated controller board... these screens take a standard computer video cable in, and then you'd be able to hook your laptop up to it |
| 10:44.01 | kryhme|pgh | i did that with one of the touchscreens we had to test it out |
| 10:44.30 | kryhme|pgh | no configuration for the display is needed really, just install the drivers for the touch panel, and you're money |
| 10:51.11 | edgar | now to get the Zaurus browsing the internet |
| 10:51.34 | jbardin | shit... mr. rooney is a child molestor |
| 10:51.42 | BigBoss | yep |
| 10:51.47 | BigBoss | and a gay one |
| 10:52.12 | jbardin | well, there is no accoutning for taste |
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| 10:53.16 | edgar | shit, where do i have my dns servers on my linux box? |
| 10:53.22 | edgar | what file is that in? |
| 10:53.48 | kergoth | edgar: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:53.56 | edgar | thats right thanks |
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| 10:55.32 | edgar | kergoth: and what about my gateway what file is that in |
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| 11:00.39 | chouimat | hi Sniper |
| 11:01.15 | edgar | hello |
| 11:01.23 | edgar | am i here? |
| 11:01.30 | chouimat | edgar: no |
| 11:01.55 | edgar | what the hell, when i'm connected to the Zaurus my connection seemed to drop after a few minutes |
| 11:02.55 | edgar | what file is my gateway ip in on my linux box? |
| 11:03.18 | Sniper | sup |
| 11:03.29 | kergoth | hey spencer |
| 11:03.32 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 11:03.39 | chouimat | Sniper: FRIDAY :P |
| 11:03.51 | Sniper | http://www.sharpusa.com/about/AboutPressRelease/0,1130,C307,00.html |
| 11:07.04 | Sniper | hungry |
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| 11:12.10 | edgar | do i need to ipmasquerade on by linux box to get the zaurus to browse? |
| 11:12.22 | Coup | yeah |
| 11:12.28 | edgar | i have a firewall box, and a seperate linux box which the z is hooked up to via usb |
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| 11:12.42 | edgar | the firewall masquerades for the linux box |
| 11:12.52 | edgar | so now the linux box needs to masq for the z? |
| 11:13.01 | Coup | the linux box needs to do it for the Z i think |
| 11:13.30 | Coup | unless you can route the packets to the firewall box and have it masq for the z:? |
| 11:13.54 | Coup | but youre out of my area of knowledge then so i dunno if thatll work |
| 11:13.57 | edgar | whatever is simplest is best with me |
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| 11:15.02 | Coup | :) |
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| 11:19.14 | zecke | wb bipolar |
| 11:20.14 | kergoth | edgar: use arp proxying, or give the Z an ip on your lan and just forward |
| 11:20.20 | kergoth | edgar: masq'ing twice is pointless |
| 11:20.38 | kergoth | i'd enable forwarding and use arp proxying myself. |
| 11:22.46 | edgar | kergoth: so instead of using 192.168.129.201 use 192.168.0.4 or something? |
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| 11:23.10 | edgar | kergoth: no idea what arp is but i could look it up |
| 11:23.38 | edgar | ok, i just ftpd the terminal program over to my Documents dir on my z but it doesn't show up on the z |
| 11:23.47 | edgar | do i need to put it in a subfolder? |
| 11:24.01 | edgar | all i have is audio and image in Documents |
| 11:24.40 | kergoth | edgar: proxyarp will let your Z keep its existing network scheme and have it work |
| 11:24.55 | kergoth | edgar: and you wont have to add explicit routes on your masq box |
| 11:24.58 | kergoth | which is a Good Thing |
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| 11:25.35 | [MiniMe] | hmm |
| 11:26.23 | kergoth | [MiniMe]: hey, howve ya been? |
| 11:27.00 | edgar | i keep losing my dns lookup i guess |
| 11:27.06 | edgar | whats up with that |
| 11:27.28 | [MiniMe] | bizzy |
| 11:29.57 | edhod | does anyone know what security restrictions are placed on connections to port 4242 in Sharp ROM 2.38? |
| 11:30.46 | treke | it only listens on the usb interface, I thin |
| 11:31.34 | JasonNJ | treke: correct |
| 11:32.08 | chouimat | one of my friend just registered: biere.com |
| 11:34.40 | edhod | well i have a connection setup with ppp over usb, i can ping both ways, but i cannot connect to the zaurus on port 4242 |
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| 11:40.14 | benmeyer | ehod: using dhcpcd? |
| 11:40.40 | benmeyer | edhor: in anythign greater then 2.37 the only way ftp works is if you use usb over dhcp |
| 11:40.56 | edhod | benmeyer: im using ppp over usb |
| 11:41.18 | kergoth | edgar: why? |
| 11:41.27 | kergoth | edhod: why? |
| 11:41.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 11:42.12 | edhod | because usbdnet kept completely hanging my desktop machine. |
| 11:42.18 | kergoth | oh yeah, it does that |
| 11:42.22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 11:42.34 | edhod | which made it completely useless to me |
| 11:42.40 | edgar | i'm googling with my zaurus, i'm googling with my zaurus |
| 11:42.42 | kergoth | use usbnet + zaurus patch |
| 11:43.00 | kergoth | 2.4.20-rc1 + usbnet-zaurus patch = spiffy connectivity |
| 11:43.07 | edhod | is that available for kernel 2.4.19 |
| 11:43.11 | edhod | ah, ok |
| 11:43.13 | kergoth | not yet |
| 11:43.17 | kergoth | you could backport the patch |
| 11:44.20 | Senfino | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:44.39 | edhod | hmm, thanks for the info |
| 11:45.19 | edgar | how do i draw an underscore? |
| 11:45.32 | edgar | or generate one anyway except keyboard> |
| 11:45.32 | edgar | ? |
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| 11:49.56 | edhod | kergoth: google doesn't return anything usefull on the usbnet-zaurus patch, do you know where i can get it? |
| 11:50.12 | kergoth | edhod: hold on, i'll get you a url. its in the linux usb devel mailing list archives |
| 11:50.19 | kergoth | edhod: its also in the zaurus-general list archives |
| 11:50.53 | edhod | ugh, i really should check that list, it goes to an address i dont check that much :( |
| 11:51.01 | edhod | cheers anyway |
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| 11:58.49 | edgar | question: to get my zaurus browsing i typed the following on the zaurus: |
| 11:59.04 | edgar | add default gw 192.168.129.1 |
| 11:59.07 | dratsab | ToyKeeper: wheres it at? |
| 11:59.19 | ToyKeeper | It's "in the shop" getting repaired. |
| 11:59.22 | edgar | however, since i'm using dhcp this might not always be my ip |
| 11:59.28 | dratsab | ToyKeeper: ah |
| 12:00.12 | ToyKeeper | I just hope it returns before I leave for my trip. ... I doubt sharp uses overnight shipping, so I probably won't get it back in time. |
| 12:02.41 | tux_mike | http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/1113.barr.html |
| 12:03.38 | oGMo | rock. |
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| 12:08.45 | ToyKeeper | paper. |
| 12:09.41 | benmeyer | scissors |
| 12:10.02 | ljp_work | rock |
| 12:10.23 | benmeyer | paper! |
| 12:10.25 | treke | grenade |
| 12:10.32 | benmeyer | sand |
| 12:10.36 | BigBoss | biochemical weapons |
| 12:10.41 | BigBoss | suicide bomber |
| 12:10.42 | dratsab | nuke! |
| 12:10.42 | benmeyer | wanter |
| 12:10.52 | benmeyer | warp core |
| 12:10.57 | BigBoss | old woman midget porn |
| 12:11.05 | treke | BigBoss wins |
| 12:11.06 | dratsab | BigBoss: dear god man, i think you win |
| 12:11.09 | dratsab | lol |
| 12:11.40 | coup-laptop | it's worrying that a mind could even come up with such a thing!! |
| 12:11.40 | chouimat | BigBoss: old woman midget porn? urk! |
| 12:11.48 | BigBoss | :) |
| 12:11.53 | BigBoss | yes, it is worrying |
| 12:12.05 | hardwire | bastards. |
| 12:12.13 | chouimat | BigBoss: what currently playing on progrock? |
| 12:12.23 | BigBoss | spocks beard just finished |
| 12:12.31 | BigBoss | Blue Flux - i've never heard of them |
| 12:12.38 | BigBoss | good stuff queued up though |
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| 12:16.27 | BigBoss | wow, I gotta say that Michael Jackson is just looking great these days, that beard really looks good on him and the plastic surgery is almost impossible to tell |
| 12:16.47 | BigBoss | I especially like how the silly putty got squished on the end of his nose |
| 12:17.04 | treke | he is quite possibly the one person on earth uglier than me |
| 12:18.08 | BigBoss | strange as this sounds, I use to know him pretty well, I spent a fair amount of time over his place, unfortunately I wasn't young enough to be molested and collect millions of dollars |
| 12:18.32 | BigBoss | I stopped hanging out with him a little after he had the cleft put in his chin, just before he moved to his Neverland ranch |
| 12:18.33 | NetAmp | HAHAH |
| 12:18.44 | BigBoss | he just kept getting stranger and stranger as time went on |
| 12:18.57 | NetAmp | what about the Home Alone kid |
| 12:18.59 | BigBoss | he built this cave in the living room for this big ass Boa snake to live in |
| 12:19.19 | BigBoss | I haven't seen Micheal in probably 16 years or so |
| 12:19.31 | NetAmp | Boa's a webserver, not an animal |
| 12:19.33 | NetAmp | :P |
| 12:20.01 | BigBoss | he was working on Bad at the house last time I was there |
| 12:20.08 | NetAmp | hmmm |
| 12:20.11 | BigBoss | and bubbles the chimp was running around loose |
| 12:20.12 | NetAmp | that's a while ago indeed |
| 12:20.24 | BigBoss | he kept that poor thing in a cage the size of a small refigerator |
| 12:20.34 | BigBoss | over by the pool |
| 12:20.45 | BigBoss | it was no wonder he spazzed whenever he got out |
| 12:20.55 | NetAmp | 2) Does Linux run on Red Hat? |
| 12:20.55 | NetAmp | Torvalds: That's just too strange a question. |
| 12:20.57 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 12:21.06 | BigBoss | yea, that was a funny one |
| 12:21.08 | NetAmp | :D |
| 12:31.06 | NetAmp | "Can Knoppix make the dreaded Debian install such a piece of cake that even a doddering old journalist can put it on his laptop?" |
| 12:31.21 | NetAmp | (also on linuxworld) |
| 12:31.31 | NetAmp | those guys also made a nice bootable linux cd |
| 12:31.39 | NetAmp | Knoppix that is |
| 12:31.49 | treke | NetAmp: thats the idea |
| 12:32.03 | NetAmp | :-) |
| 12:32.15 | treke | supposedly knoppix has an install to hard disk option. Then you just change your package sources to point to debian |
| 12:32.23 | NetAmp | sweet :D |
| 12:33.39 | BigBoss | too funny - you see the PETA people break into the Victorias Secret fashion show? |
| 12:33.48 | BigBoss | I'ver heard good things about Knoppix |
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| 12:34.54 | NetAmp | lingerie show? hmmm |
| 12:34.55 | edhod | kergoth: I cant find the 2.4.20 usbnet patch in the kernel mailing list archives or the zaurus-general archives? any ideas? |
| 12:34.57 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 12:35.10 | kergoth | edhod: its in zaurus-generl and linux usb devel, not lkml |
| 12:35.14 | kergoth | afaik |
| 12:35.58 | edhod | ahhh, usb devel i check usb users, doh! |
| 12:36.10 | edhod | cheers |
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| 12:36.47 | BigBoss | ah, we have a tkcJabber client |
| 12:36.58 | kergoth | ? |
| 12:37.10 | BigBoss | Guest is using tkcJabber |
| 12:37.18 | kergoth | ah |
| 12:37.29 | BigBoss | chouimat: are you tuned in? this is my favorite song |
| 12:37.35 | Guest | hi |
| 12:38.20 | BigBoss | how you doing Guest |
| 12:38.29 | kergoth | BigBoss: tkcjabber doesnt respond to ctcp version? |
| 12:38.30 | kergoth | :) |
| 12:38.34 | NetAmp | NokiaGame chat is also entirely Jabber based |
| 12:38.38 | BigBoss | I don't know - what is ctcp? |
| 12:38.51 | kergoth | BigBoss: its how you check what irc client someone is using |
| 12:38.54 | kergoth | BigBoss: among other things |
| 12:39.14 | NetAmp | "CTCP stands for Client-To-Client-Protocol which is a special type of communication between IRC Clients. By creating CTCP events, you can make your mIRC react to commands or requests from other users. CTCP events use the format: |
| 12:39.15 | NetAmp | " |
| 12:40.10 | kergoth | NetAmp: no, ctcp is bleh. |
| 12:40.14 | kergoth | NetAmp: lart BigBoss |
| 12:40.18 | djk | How about a gaim client then I could run it on all my machines <grin> |
| 12:40.18 | kergoth | :) |
| 12:40.24 | NetAmp | haha |
| 12:41.19 | ToyKeeper | /ctcp person version |
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| 12:41.42 | NetAmp | [20:47] [ToyKeeper VERSION reply]: xchat 1.8.3 Linux 2.4.19 [i686/800MHz] |
| 12:41.45 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 12:41.54 | Guest | can anyone here help me out real quick? |
| 12:41.57 | BigBoss | kergoth: the thing with IRC via Jabber is that you are restricted by what is in the transport, it's not really a client side thing |
| 12:42.03 | BigBoss | Guest: what do you need? |
| 12:42.05 | kergoth | BigBoss: ah yeah |
| 12:42.36 | Guest | i am using tkcjabber, but it won't access my aim or yahoo accnts |
| 12:43.11 | Guest | is this a server thing or is my setup wrong? |
| 12:43.21 | BigBoss | well, it can be a bit trickey |
| 12:43.26 | BigBoss | you have existing accounts? |
| 12:43.32 | Guest | yes |
| 12:43.57 | BigBoss | there are somw wizards for connecting, did you select the tab for the protocol and fill it in? |
| 12:44.28 | Guest | yeah, with the username and pass. |
| 12:44.40 | BigBoss | and what happens? did you look at the FAQ as well? |
| 12:45.11 | Guest | if i connect thru jabber, my other clients detect it and disconnect |
| 12:45.27 | Guest | but i can't talk to anyone |
| 12:45.56 | Guest | the faq is fairly unhelpful i think |
| 12:46.23 | BigBoss | so you seem to be connecting to the service |
| 12:46.32 | Guest | yes |
| 12:46.35 | BigBoss | the FAQ answers a bunch of FAQs actually |
| 12:46.50 | BigBoss | now with AIM, the transport doesn't import the buddy list |
| 12:46.54 | BigBoss | not sure about yahoo |
| 12:46.59 | BigBoss | did you try adding someone? |
| 12:47.11 | Guest | i entered my buddies manually |
| 12:47.20 | BigBoss | and do they show as online? |
| 12:47.21 | Guest | but still no go |
| 12:47.27 | Guest | nope |
| 12:49.18 | BigBoss | neither transport works? |
| 12:50.05 | Guest | no |
| 12:50.34 | BigBoss | well that is just darn strange |
| 12:51.14 | Guest | tell me about it |
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| 12:52.50 | BigBoss | Guest: best thing to do is send a query to tkc@thekompany.com then |
| 12:53.00 | Guest | i can,t find anything about it in the FAQ or user guide |
| 12:53.19 | BigBoss | about what? |
| 12:53.43 | Cloudchaser | Guest: one thing i did notice about the icq is that you have to input the exact name they use for their contact name |
| 12:54.02 | Guest | not being able to connect like this |
| 12:54.09 | Cloudchaser | so..if mine is Cloudchaser and you put in my real name and the uin, it won't work |
| 12:54.28 | Guest | this is for aim and yahoo |
| 12:54.40 | Guest | but thanks |
| 12:54.55 | Cloudchaser | oh i'm sorry .. i read wrong |
| 12:55.55 | Cloudchaser | I don't use aim or yahoo, so the user guide doesn't include that..sorry about that |
| 12:56.07 | prpplague | benmeyer: is there gonna be someone at sharp we can bribe to purchase a sl-c700? |
| 12:56.10 | Cloudchaser | maybe someone on the mailing list can help |
| 12:56.13 | benmeyer | no |
| 12:56.14 | Sniper | http://www.sharpusa.com/about/AboutPressRelease/0,1130,C307,00.html |
| 12:56.14 | Guest | that's ok |
| 12:56.17 | Sniper | whoops sorry |
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| 12:56.29 | benmeyer | prpplague: check ebay! |
| 12:56.30 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 12:56.34 | chouimat | Sniper: it's ok it's friday |
| 12:56.52 | prpplague | benmeyer: ohh ya? |
| 12:56.53 | BigBoss | Sniper: it's a cool announcement, at least it is further validation of the platform |
| 12:57.04 | prpplague | benmeyer: you think some will show up there? |
| 12:57.12 | Guest | i'll keep fiddling with it and hope i can get it to work out |
| 12:57.25 | Guest | thanks for everything |
| 12:57.25 | benmeyer | sure, ebay seems to have everything |
| 12:57.37 | benmeyer | what is the most wacky thing you can think of... it will be on ebay |
| 12:58.33 | prpplague | benmeyer: hmm, guess i'll have to wait and see if the sl-c700 appears there |
| 12:58.40 | Sniper | ben: did u see the announcemnt about work hours? |
| 12:58.54 | BigBoss | Guest: feel free to ask on tkc mail list |
| 12:59.15 | Guest | ok. thanks |
| 12:59.20 | edhod | kergoth: im off to play with 2.4.20-rc2 and the usbnet patch, thanks for the help. |
| 12:59.26 | kergoth | edhod: no problem |
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| 12:59.40 | edhod | bye everyone |
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| 13:15.29 | oGMo | Sniper: hey, thanks for the pointer, I got exactly the quote i wanted :) |
| 13:18.06 | Sniper | oGMo : can u tell me what it was? |
| 13:18.27 | oGMo | Sniper: $299 |
| 13:18.32 | Sniper | Cool! |
| 13:18.35 | Sniper | :-) |
| 13:18.49 | oGMo | yeah, considerable better than $499 ;) |
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| 13:32.08 | edgar | i've come a long way today. i'm ssh in to my zaurus |
| 13:32.20 | edgar | very cool to use a real keyboard |
| 13:32.23 | edgar | and look around. |
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| 13:42.20 | kergoth | ALL BECAUSE OF YOU!@#% |
| 13:42.21 | kergoth | eh |
| 13:42.23 | kergoth | good music |
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| 13:43.30 | ZzzGogo | reh |
| 13:43.42 | BigBoss | that the new Whitney Houston? |
| 13:44.27 | kergoth | hah |
| 13:44.29 | kergoth | Saliva |
| 13:49.04 | kergoth | fuck, this job is going to kill me |
| 13:49.29 | hardwire | isn't that suicidal? |
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| 13:54.12 | Senfino | kergoth: What do you do? |
| 13:54.16 | Senfino | I can sympathize. |
| 13:54.19 | kergoth | Senfino: unix tech support. |
| 13:54.40 | Senfino | ah. "Web programmer" here. Whee! |
| 13:55.03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 13:55.09 | kergoth | i get to talk to idiots all day |
| 13:55.10 | kergoth | fun fun |
| 13:55.26 | Senfino | Ooh, got any fun stories? |
| 13:55.59 | Senfino | Trading "stupid client" stories is a hobby. :) |
| 13:57.50 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 13:58.38 | BigBoss | ah, the days of tech support |
| 13:58.50 | Com[Plex | at the beinning of the year, I teach my kisd that the mouses tail points away from them. but by the end of the semester, Im teaching them how to guess admin passwords on muds. |
| 13:59.38 | Com[Plex | and of course, how that is very bad, and should never be practiced... |
| 14:00.27 | kergoth | Senfino: hm, one time i spent about 2 1/2 hours with a moron who wouldnt type 'cat /etc/inittab > /dev/ttya01' .. so i asked her where her system admin was, since obviously she wasnt him |
| 14:00.32 | kergoth | Senfino: she says "He's dead!" |
| 14:02.58 | Com[Plex | yikes |
| 14:03.45 | treke | <kergoth> well dig his ass up. he'd still be more helpful then you are |
| 14:04.11 | kergoth | haha |
| 14:12.29 | prpplague | ROTFL |
| 14:12.44 | prpplague | i got the guys here in the office laughing about that one |
| 14:14.46 | prpplague | kergoth: my favorite is when i get asked how to spell "ceeedeeee" |
| 14:15.25 | kergoth | hah |
| 14:15.30 | kergoth | i hate it when they type the word space |
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| 14:15.37 | kergoth | cd /etc/rc2.d |
| 14:15.44 | kergoth | nono, not cdspace/etc/rc2.d |
| 14:15.54 | benmeyer | kergoth you got the specs on the radio right? |
| 14:15.57 | benmeyer | they are looking for an update |
| 14:16.11 | kergoth | benmeyer: no, i dont. can you drop them an email, i lost their contact information |
| 14:16.11 | Senfino | or don't know the difference between / and \ |
| 14:16.28 | Com[Plex | ? |
| 14:16.32 | Com[Plex | what is "crows rom" |
| 14:16.44 | benmeyer | what e-mail of yours would you like me to cc you with? |
| 14:16.59 | kergoth | benmeyer: kergoth@handhelds.org |
| 14:17.24 | prpplague | Senfino: or when they have to use the shift key, "i'm trying to get it to make an asterik but i keep getting an eight" |
| 14:17.35 | benmeyer | Did you send them an e-mail or did they just not respond? |
| 14:17.55 | kergoth | benmeyer: neither, i lost the contact info and was unable to give them details on what specs i need |
| 14:18.12 | kergoth | benmeyer: i need whatever hardware specs they have, specifically the interface by which i change channels, et cetera |
| 14:18.41 | benmeyer | ok |
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| 14:19.00 | bobstay | konbanwa |
| 14:19.00 | benmeyer | sent |
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| 14:32.56 | Com[Plex | "star dot star" |
| 14:33.49 | Com[Plex | anyone else got cracks in there zaurus stylus silo? |
| 14:34.29 | Com[Plex | I got a chip in mine in like the first month I had it. now it looks like this stylii I got is expanding it a little |
| 14:36.16 | levi | No, but I've got the stupid scratches around the screen from the 'protector'. |
| 14:36.47 | Mr||ugh | My stylis tip broke off at the metal. |
| 14:37.08 | benmeyer | really? |
| 14:37.13 | benmeyer | crazy |
| 14:37.17 | benmeyer | other people have reported that |
| 14:37.22 | benmeyer | but I just don't get how you can do that |
| 14:37.52 | Mr||ugh | Worse, super glue failed at one day. |
| 14:39.12 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex: hey, how goes it? |
| 14:39.16 | *** join/#zaurus dlohin (~dlohin@maxtnt05-490.phlpa.fast.net) |
| 14:39.30 | dlohin | I need to read a book on my Z.... but it is in M$ reader format |
| 14:39.44 | dlohin | yuck..... |
| 14:39.59 | dlohin | I need a program that can read M$ reader format |
| 14:40.15 | dlohin | studid M$ deviating from standards |
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| 14:42.41 | treke | dlohin: Not going to find one for the zaurus |
| 14:42.50 | oGMo | heh sounds like MS |
| 14:43.06 | dlohin | sigh |
| 14:43.09 | dlohin | I figured |
| 14:43.10 | oGMo | "everyone has been using this same format for years... hey let's fuck it up!" |
| 14:44.27 | treke | dlohin: Pretty safe to say you wont see one for a very long time |
| 14:44.28 | ibz | anyone here installed a G2 screen protector for their Z? |
| 14:44.33 | bobstay | dlohin: I'm sure if you look hard enough you can find either a) something that'll extract it to plaintext or b) a plaintext version of the book |
| 14:46.23 | TheMasterMind1 | dlohin: what book |
| 14:49.50 | bobstay | wasn't there some guy who got text out of M$ reader by OCR'ing his screen? |
| 14:49.58 | bobstay | and then writing scripts to automate this process |
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| 14:52.07 | bobstay | you could make a little VB app to alternately do a screen cap and send the "page-down" key |
| 14:52.31 | bobstay | then run the resultant wodge of images through some batch OCR app :) |
| 14:52.45 | benmeyer | my favorite vb app lets you highlight text boxes that are passwords and copy the text out of them |
| 14:53.49 | Senfino | Ooh, evil. :) |
| 14:53.49 | bobstay | oh, I liek that one. revelation? |
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| 14:53.52 | benmeyer | doesn't matter what encryption they use to store the password, it is plain tex tthen |
| 14:53.55 | JasonNJ | what widowmaker thing doesnt work |
| 14:53.59 | JasonNJ | er, that widowmaker thing dont work. |
| 14:54.43 | Cloudchaser | i wouldn't trust a formatting tool called *widow maker* hehe sounds ominous :) |
| 14:55.10 | JasonNJ | lol. complex and kergoth are listed as beta testers |
| 14:56.46 | JasonNJ | I bet its a trojan |
| 14:56.55 | JasonNJ | probably sends all your contacts to a email address |
| 14:56.56 | Com[Plex | he |
| 14:56.56 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 14:56.58 | Com[Plex | hehe |
| 14:57.00 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 14:57.27 | Senfino | Nono, it's a new sync method. sync via e-mail via usb-ethernet. |
| 14:57.27 | Senfino | :) |
| 14:57.56 | JasonNJ | actually |
| 14:58.00 | JasonNJ | thats not a bad idea |
| 14:58.08 | JasonNJ | program that emails all your contacts to an email address |
| 14:58.16 | JasonNJ | backs up your database files via email |
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| 14:58.39 | Cloudchaser | well unison will back up all your files |
| 14:58.41 | BigBoss | ibot seen kergoth |
| 14:58.41 | | kergoth is currently on #opie #uclibc #picogui #tuxscreen #zaurus #openzaurus. Has said a total of 3119 messages. Is idling for 27m 21s |
| 14:58.47 | Cloudchaser | don't need email |
| 14:59.08 | JasonNJ | woot, its 5pm |
| 14:59.14 | JasonNJ | time to get my ass out of here |
| 14:59.15 | Cloudchaser | happy hour time! |
| 14:59.31 | Cloudchaser | have a good weekend JasonNJ |
| 14:59.33 | JasonNJ | bringing home a sharp DLP projector to play with |
| 14:59.43 | JasonNJ | watch lord of the rings projected |
| 14:59.48 | Cloudchaser | cool :) |
| 15:00.09 | BigBoss | south park had a great lord of the rings spoof |
| 15:00.12 | Cloudchaser | tomorrow's my birthday.. my kids are taking me to see harry potter i hope ;) |
| 15:00.35 | BigBoss | wow, the big 30 :) |
| 15:00.45 | BigBoss | I'll take my son next week for it |
| 15:01.37 | Senfino | some coworkers and I are going to see it after work today. |
| 15:02.00 | chouimat | BigBoss: yup they bring back the lord of the rings to the two towers |
| 15:02.44 | BigBoss | I need to shrink wrap my copy of LOTR on DVD and give it away for x-mas so I can get the new 4 DVD set :) |
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| 15:09.46 | Senfino | bah. I find it annoying that they keep changing movies after they've been released. |
| 15:10.01 | Senfino | original version, directors cut, extended version, digitally remastered version. |
| 15:10.04 | Senfino | (etc, etc.) |
| 15:12.27 | BigBoss | I like the fact that you can get a directors cut with the stuff put back in that helps continuity |
| 15:13.09 | Cloudchaser | BigBoss: i know who you can give it to for christmas! :) |
| 15:13.10 | Senfino | yeah... but what if you liked the original? That's presumably why you bought it, no? |
| 15:13.21 | Senfino | then again, I can think of some movies I wouldn't have minded being a bit.. more. |
| 15:14.05 | BigBoss | i rarely buy movies, so there has to be a reason, and the extra footage is it |
| 15:14.52 | BigBoss | although I usually don't care about most of the extra features, they usually suck |
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| 15:20.25 | Cloudchaser | looks like war is getting nearer |
| 15:20.37 | Cloudchaser | us planes bombed something in iraq |
| 15:21.01 | BigBoss | they were probably shooting at us in the no-fly zones again |
| 15:21.06 | Cloudchaser | yep |
| 15:22.22 | BigBoss | brilliant |
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| 15:23.55 | chouimat | BigBoss: ? |
| 15:24.19 | BigBoss | yes? |
| 15:24.40 | chouimat | what is brilliant? |
| 15:24.45 | ibz | what is brilliant? |
| 15:25.16 | BigBoss | iraqis shooting at us in the no fly zone days before inspectors are coming |
| 15:25.29 | BigBoss | they do realize like a quarter million troops are massing in their area right? |
| 15:25.45 | BigBoss | and that our air power now makes our air power during the golf war look like a joke |
| 15:25.53 | chouimat | BigBoss: suicide wish? |
| 15:26.25 | BigBoss | disconnect with reality |
| 15:26.42 | bobstay | they have to keep up appearances |
| 15:26.47 | bobstay | it's a matter of honour :/ |
| 15:26.53 | bobstay | but yes, they're fools. |
| 15:27.25 | ibz | who are fools? iraqis? |
| 15:28.28 | treke | that's what I'd generally call somone whos throwing rocks at a rottweiler on a thin leash |
| 15:29.56 | Cloudchaser | makes me afraid to flash, i've seen several reports of that happening lately |
| 15:30.15 | kergoth | treke: apt analogy |
| 15:30.23 | Cloudchaser | oops wrong channel |
| 15:31.27 | BigBoss | kergoth: fast version of mahjongg is now in your download basket |
| 15:31.33 | ZzzGogo | re! |
| 15:31.59 | CrazyGogo | evening! |
| 15:32.03 | Com[Plex | woot! |
| 15:32.10 | CrazyGogo | wood? |
| 15:32.20 | Com[Plex | dood |
| 15:32.36 | CrazyGogo | dude! |
| 15:32.41 | CrazyGogo | toat? |
| 15:32.46 | CrazyGogo | :) |
| 15:32.48 | Com[Plex | bonk |
| 15:32.49 | BigBoss | hey CrazyGogo |
| 15:33.01 | CrazyGogo | big |
| 15:33.06 | CrazyGogo | hey BigBoss |
| 15:33.13 | kergoth | BigBoss: woot! |
| 15:33.33 | Com[Plex | bb: has everyons baskets been updates? |
| 15:33.34 | Com[Plex | d |
| 15:33.45 | CrazyGogo | again no way to listen to prog rock... seems to be a very bad connection through the ocean :)) |
| 15:34.00 | BigBoss | Com[Plex: yes, it's a global thing |
| 15:34.10 | BigBoss | I haven't updated the bundle yet |
| 15:34.12 | BigBoss | that is next |
| 15:34.18 | Com[Plex | ioh. okay. Ill wait |
| 15:34.26 | Com[Plex | http://b3ta.com/files/cat-earwax-conundrum.htm lol |
| 15:36.33 | BigBoss | CrazyGogo: very strange, no reason for that to be the case |
| 15:36.36 | Cloudchaser | whats new in the basket? |
| 15:37.16 | Cloudchaser | ah nm, i read back and saw :) |
| 15:37.23 | CrazyGogo | BigBoss: yes... but donT think about it... not your problem ... |
| 15:37.26 | BigBoss | specifically speed improvements for tkcEditor and tkcMahjongg, then the suspend/bus error for tkcPlayer |
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| 15:39.19 | nagROM | what happend to freenade |
| 15:39.24 | kergoth | ? |
| 15:39.25 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
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| 15:40.07 | nagROM | n/m realizing it was the server that i was on. |
| 15:42.10 | hardwire | http://segfault.bogomip.com/assslap.avi |
| 15:42.25 | TheMasterMind1 | i dont think i want to watch that |
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| 15:43.19 | BigBoss | ljp: sped up version of tkcEditor is now available |
| 15:43.28 | BigBoss | give it a try and let me know what you think |
| 15:44.04 | Cloudchaser | ooh nice, can't wait for that one |
| 15:44.17 | Cloudchaser | thats the fix mike was talkign about with the memo widget? |
| 15:44.35 | BigBoss | yes, there will be a new version of tkcRekall in a few days |
| 15:44.42 | Cloudchaser | yeah i know ;) |
| 15:44.48 | Cloudchaser | mike is awesome |
| 15:44.55 | ljp_work | oohh goodie.. |
| 15:45.09 | ljp_work | I just got an Apple mac IIsi |
| 15:45.41 | ljp_work | I havent used a mac since high school |
| 15:46.06 | ljp_work | I'm so leet now |
| 15:46.28 | ljp_work | and I also got a 17" Sun monitor |
| 15:46.30 | nagROM | does anyone know how to enable mail filtering in mozilla? mabey the wrong place to ask. |
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| 15:48.28 | dlohin | \Hey BigBoss.... |
| 15:48.48 | dlohin | mind if I make a few small suggestions on your software? |
| 15:49.09 | BigBoss | do it in Mantis, if you tell me here it's not going to get anywhere, but feel free to tell me :) |
| 15:49.35 | TheMasterMind1 | mantis for tkc? where? |
| 15:49.51 | dlohin | I love almost all the software I bought, which includes player, text editor, explorer, Kapital, and race |
| 15:50.06 | dlohin | I have 1 suggestion for Kapital... |
| 15:50.19 | BigBoss | oh, I have more than 1 suggestion for Kapital |
| 15:50.27 | BigBoss | TheMasterMind1: you own some of our software? |
| 15:50.35 | dlohin | make a seperate prog that allows you to quickly punch in expenses and deposits... |
| 15:50.40 | moot | im so tempted to import a C700 |
| 15:50.42 | TheMasterMind1 | BigBoss: no. |
| 15:50.59 | BigBoss | TheMasterMind1: then our mantis system won't do you much good :) |
| 15:51.15 | TheMasterMind1 | BigBoss: ok, well, where would i tell people who tell me about problems with tkc stuff and own apps to go? |
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| 15:51.21 | dlohin | that way I dont have to wait for it to load everytime I buy something small, or whatever.. |
| 15:51.22 | TheMasterMind1 | moot: aren't we all? |
| 15:51.26 | moot | aye ;) |
| 15:51.42 | moot | since it sports the same hardware as the american version, we should be able to flash the american rom onto it right? |
| 15:51.50 | dlohin | Now for my major gripe..... TkcRace, the only program I am truly not happy w/..... |
| 15:51.50 | moot | the screen shots show a rom with all japanese :> |
| 15:51.53 | treke | moot: there is no american version |
| 15:52.52 | moot | treke: well the SL-5600 |
| 15:52.52 | moot | same hardware as the C700 right? |
| 15:52.52 | treke | moot: that isnt the american version |
| 15:52.53 | treke | the SL5600 is different |
| 15:52.53 | dlohin | It is a bad game..... b/c their is a lack of physics in the game |
| 15:52.53 | dlohin | sigh |
| 15:52.53 | moot | treke: i understand, its just the SAME DAMN hardware. |
| 15:52.53 | ljp_work | what idiot decided that Macs need a one button mouse..? heh |
| 15:52.54 | dlohin | other than that I love TKC and will contine to support all, but their games |
| 15:52.54 | BigBoss | TheMasterMind1: are you sure you have the bandwidth to respond to the thousands of people coming to you with issues in our apps? |
| 15:52.56 | treke | moot: Its obviously not the smae damn hardware. Different keyboard. different lcd. Who knows whatelse is different |
| 15:52.56 | BigBoss | all our customers know where to post it |
| 15:53.07 | moot | treke: well the keyboard is qwerty at least :P |
| 15:53.35 | BigBoss | dlohin: it's not supposed to have physics. we've talked about adding physics like ice and stuff |
| 15:53.43 | TheMasterMind1 | BigBoss: thousands of people...? i have someone every now and then tell me something isn't working right with oz.. |
| 15:53.50 | dlohin | no I mean sliding... |
| 15:54.02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: unless they see the problem in sharp as well, tkc wont support it |
| 15:54.03 | Cloudchaser | TheMasterMind1: thats an oz issue i think |
| 15:54.04 | dlohin | and more importantly crashing.. |
| 15:54.08 | BigBoss | dlohin: yes, I know what you mean - and it's something we are talking about |
| 15:54.14 | TheMasterMind1 | alright, that's useless then |
| 15:54.16 | dlohin | I have yet to lose at the game... |
| 15:54.22 | dlohin | It is TOO EASY |
| 15:54.30 | dlohin | I dont need ice, |
| 15:54.30 | BigBoss | dlohin: well, sorry... |
| 15:54.43 | treke | TheMasterMind1: OpenZaurus has some binary compatibility issues |
| 15:54.45 | BigBoss | the idea is a physics engine that would allow you to set various elements |
| 15:54.52 | moot | bleh they get a Z with a digital camera too, like that sony pda, http://www.sharp.co.jp/products/mie25dc/image/top-10.gif |
| 15:54.52 | dlohin | The graphics are beautiful though |
| 15:55.04 | moot | http://www.sharp.co.jp/products/mie25dc/image/top-9.gif |
| 15:55.05 | kergoth | treke: i still dont see how .. word crashes in font handling in a function in qt/e |
| 15:55.10 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:55.18 | dlohin | that I will say.... The only reason I enjoy it is to say... look what my Z does, now what can you palm do? |
| 15:55.19 | treke | kergoth: yet it works on my ipaq :) |
| 15:55.25 | kergoth | treke: i know, it doesnt make any sense |
| 15:55.27 | kergoth | treke: it confuses me |
| 15:55.56 | ljp_work | I want the zaurus that has a dinosaur that humps Japanese womens backs |
| 15:55.59 | dlohin | ok, well that is not what I meant, I just would like the basics |
| 15:56.22 | TheMasterMind1 | a camera on the back of the Z?? |
| 15:56.24 | BigBoss | ljp: yea, I want that one too, and the japanese woman it comes with :) |
| 15:56.40 | ljp_work | yup, shes hot |
| 15:56.44 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: ping |
| 15:56.45 | dlohin | sliding around turns, going 200 km/h and hitting the back of another car and watchig it spin out.... |
| 15:56.51 | treke | BigBoss: You might want to talk to sandman about styles since. Some of your customers might like having the tkcstyle system wide |
| 15:56.57 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: that message on zaurus-general regarding the new fbvncserver .. |
| 15:57.13 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: they fixed the not-updating-the-screen thing .. where you have to refresh it manually to see changes |
| 15:57.13 | dlohin | that kinda stuff.... |
| 15:57.23 | dlohin | I love the calender, and the addressbook |
| 15:57.27 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: as soon as they release the changed source i'll be using it in my packages |
| 15:57.30 | dlohin | The editor is AWESOME |
| 15:57.34 | treke | well more like have one of your developers speak with him |
| 15:57.50 | dlohin | my most valuable tool is the player though |
| 15:58.15 | dlohin | other than is player |
| 15:58.37 | BigBoss | treke: there is no way to make the style work system wide as I understand it, without changing the other apps |
| 15:58.43 | dlohin | I enjoy player a lot... it is fast... great datbase features |
| 15:58.50 | kergoth | BigBoss: thats incorrect. |
| 15:58.56 | kergoth | BigBoss: in fact, i've done so, with your style. |
| 15:59.07 | kergoth | BigBoss: though it doesnt support changing color schemes, from my discussion with max on the subject |
| 15:59.09 | treke | BigBoss: That was my understanding, but sandman managed to do it with liquid on the sharp rom |
| 15:59.10 | BigBoss | dlohin: glad you are enjoying your other software |
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| 15:59.22 | BigBoss | is sandman the one selling liquid? |
| 15:59.27 | ljp_work | yes |
| 15:59.33 | treke | yup |
| 15:59.51 | BigBoss | saints preserve us - BLASPHEMER!!! DEFAIMER OF THE GPL!!! |
| 15:59.58 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:00.10 | ljp_work | nope source is available |
| 16:00.32 | BigBoss | but, but - gulp - he is selling it? |
| 16:00.32 | treke | dont have to five out the source till you sell it to someone :) |
| 16:00.37 | BigBoss | selling GPL? |
| 16:00.39 | BigBoss | making money? |
| 16:00.43 | kergoth | i do believe he was mocking gpl zealots |
| 16:00.45 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:00.48 | ljp_work | yes, like myself |
| 16:00.50 | BigBoss | what in the name of the nine hells is he thinking? |
| 16:01.08 | ljp_work | ?? |
| 16:01.18 | kergoth | lol |
| 16:01.44 | ljp_work | actually, the versions I sell are not GPL. :) since I wrote them.. hehehe |
| 16:02.07 | ljp_work | but the source is available somewherest |
| 16:02.07 | BigBoss | well, that's ok |
| 16:02.07 | dlohin | do you make any money off of it |
| 16:02.07 | dlohin | ? |
| 16:02.18 | ljp_work | some. not much |
| 16:02.18 | BigBoss | does Mosfet know about this? |
| 16:02.30 | treke | does anyone really care what mosfet knows? |
| 16:02.31 | dlohin | gee I wonder why BigBoss thinks that :- |
| 16:02.32 | kergoth | who knows? who cares? |
| 16:02.35 | dlohin | ) |
| 16:02.35 | ljp_work | liquid I think is bsd |
| 16:02.55 | kergoth | even if its gpl, it doesnt matter whether mosfet knows or not. nobody cares |
| 16:02.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:03.19 | BigBoss | oh, I just assume mosfet will pitch a fit, and it could be entertaining to watch :) |
| 16:03.27 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.33 | treke | I'm always up for entertainment |
| 16:03.38 | ljp_work | source is available |
| 16:03.51 | ljp_work | source is in opie |
| 16:03.53 | kergoth | BigBoss: hah, true that |
| 16:04.13 | TheMasterMind1 | who's mosfet? |
| 16:04.19 | BigBoss | treke: I would do it, just send him the myzaurus link for it |
| 16:04.25 | ljp_work | ya just gotta know the secret to getting it working withSharps rom |
| 16:04.34 | dlohin | BigBoss is theKompany gonna be at LinuxWorld NYC? |
| 16:04.36 | BigBoss | too bad mosfet took his pictures off his web site - everyone thought he was a girl |
| 16:04.44 | kergoth | lol |
| 16:04.45 | nagROM | when is linuxworld nyc? |
| 16:04.47 | BigBoss | dlohin: we don't do trade shows - not worth the money |
| 16:04.50 | ljp_work | doesnt he have a mullet? |
| 16:04.51 | BigBoss | end of january |
| 16:04.53 | dlohin | I just signed up yesterday :-) |
| 16:04.59 | BigBoss | I don't think he could grow facial hair |
| 16:05.03 | treke | BigBoss: He put them back up, I think |
| 16:05.18 | treke | http://www.mosfet.org/slideshow.html |
| 16:05.19 | BigBoss | according to one of the core kde developers that works for me that knows mosfet, i guess he does like to cross dress |
| 16:05.37 | dlohin | y do you say that? |
| 16:05.48 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: i did see that post in zaurus general..thank you for the updated info :) |
| 16:05.59 | dlohin | BigBoss: why do you say that? |
| 16:06.00 | BigBoss | he claims those pictures are of his girlfriend, but I think they are him |
| 16:06.09 | BigBoss | why do I say what? |
| 16:06.16 | BigBoss | i'm saying a lot of things right now :) |
| 16:06.28 | dlohin | That they are not worth the money |
| 16:06.32 | ljp_work | I'll have some photos of my girlfriend up later on tonight |
| 16:06.45 | kergoth | ljp_work: after the rum? |
| 16:06.54 | ljp_work | hehehe |
| 16:06.58 | BigBoss | a booth costs like $30,000 alone |
| 16:07.02 | ljp_work | she's got long black and white hair |
| 16:07.05 | BigBoss | for the space |
| 16:07.14 | ljp_work | kinda really hairy |
| 16:07.16 | BigBoss | then you have to do a booth, and all the crap that comes with it |
| 16:07.17 | kergoth | ljp_work: aha |
| 16:07.20 | ljp_work | and purrss |
| 16:07.36 | dlohin | he, that is a lil much |
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| 16:07.40 | Cloudchaser | 30,000 dollars for a booth??? |
| 16:07.44 | Prodigy | hello all |
| 16:07.48 | dlohin | cant you get one of the small fringe booths |
| 16:07.54 | ljp_work | and takes over my pillow at night |
| 16:07.56 | BigBoss | Cloudchaser: for the booth space |
| 16:07.56 | Prodigy | this is me wireless from the Z |
| 16:08.12 | BigBoss | dlohin: there is no way that the business generated from that show would pay for itself |
| 16:08.22 | BigBoss | if I were to do a budget version it would cost at least 10k |
| 16:08.30 | Cloudchaser | hmm |
| 16:08.40 | Cloudchaser | would be nice to get the exposure though |
| 16:08.50 | Cloudchaser | is sharp gonna have a booth there for the zaurus? |
| 16:08.52 | BigBoss | i get more exposure doing what I'm doing than going to the show |
| 16:09.14 | BigBoss | treke: you still have that image of tkcMemo under liquid? |
| 16:09.20 | treke | BigBoss: yeah |
| 16:09.32 | treke | BigBoss: http://handhelds.org/scap/ |
| 16:09.33 | BigBoss | treke: what was the url again? |
| 16:09.44 | dlohin | cloudchaser yes Sharp is on the atendee list |
| 16:10.00 | Cloudchaser | there's something different in -23 of the kompany file than in the -21 version i think BigBoss |
| 16:10.01 | treke | theres to of them on there |
| 16:10.03 | BigBoss | ljp: you only shudder because you afraid your dark urges will come forward when you see my awesomeness |
| 16:10.10 | dlohin | BigBoss: how about you get in w/ someone else like hancom? |
| 16:10.11 | BigBoss | it's up to -24 now |
| 16:10.11 | dlohin | hehe |
| 16:10.16 | dlohin | I know you love them |
| 16:10.17 | BigBoss | dlohin: that's funny |
| 16:10.33 | treke | BigBoss: did you ever shave your beard into a spider? |
| 16:10.33 | Cloudchaser | ah i don't have that one yet, maybe it will fix the issue i'm having though :) |
| 16:10.35 | Prodigy | some one say something against me |
| 16:10.36 | ljp_work | heheh nope.. I'm very fine being a hetero, thank you |
| 16:10.39 | BigBoss | I did their booth in NY last year and San Jose 14 months ago |
| 16:10.47 | BigBoss | treke: yes I did, want to see it? |
| 16:10.55 | treke | sure |
| 16:11.16 | BigBoss | ftp.rygannon.com/pub/PowerPlant |
| 16:11.24 | Cloudchaser | i think i'll go to linuxworld..its in nyc and thats close to here |
| 16:11.28 | dlohin | BigBoss: why not do it again? |
| 16:11.40 | BigBoss | dlohin: they are in the process of going bankrupt at the moment |
| 16:11.47 | BigBoss | they dropped out of the last LWE at the last minute |
| 16:11.56 | BigBoss | all their employees are suing them for failure to pay salaries |
| 16:12.05 | BigBoss | the korean government is now involved trying to sort it out |
| 16:12.13 | dlohin | oh my... |
| 16:12.14 | BigBoss | even their attorneys think they'll be out of business soon |
| 16:12.23 | dlohin | sigh.... that is horrible... |
| 16:12.31 | dlohin | another Linux company bites the dust |
| 16:12.34 | treke | BigBoss: nice |
| 16:12.41 | treke | (the beard, not hancomm) |
| 16:12.47 | dlohin | never was thrilled w/ their junk, but still |
| 16:12.47 | BigBoss | hahaha |
| 16:12.53 | BigBoss | some of it was good |
| 16:12.56 | BigBoss | the spreadsheet was good |
| 16:13.01 | kergoth | i gotta go to ols next year |
| 16:13.04 | dlohin | I hate it when they go out of business |
| 16:13.08 | BigBoss | actually it was just the word processor was really weak |
| 16:13.17 | BigBoss | but they pissed money away like you've never seen outside of Lineo |
| 16:13.42 | ljp_work | at least Lineo has something to show for it, unlike many dot-commers |
| 16:13.45 | BigBoss | they had like 5 people in their art department for example |
| 16:14.01 | BigBoss | I have 1 guy part time and I have over 30 products and they have 4 |
| 16:14.09 | dlohin | I wish Corel would get their act together w/ Corel office for Linux |
| 16:14.12 | BigBoss | just dumb shit like that |
| 16:14.31 | dlohin | I have been trying to find it for a while, and I cant find it for the life of me |
| 16:14.36 | BigBoss | it's dead |
| 16:14.45 | BigBoss | youcan probably get an old version on linuxcentral still |
| 16:14.59 | treke | after using wine for Wordperfect 2000, I'd probably not ever buy a copy of wordperfect for Linux again |
| 16:15.36 | treke | that was a wretched piece of software |
| 16:16.06 | kergoth | geh, openoffice.org works for me |
| 16:16.06 | dlohin | I liked wordperfect... I got a free copy a while back |
| 16:16.17 | BigBoss | openoffice is just so damn slow it's unbelievable |
| 16:16.23 | BigBoss | it's barely usable on a 900mhz system |
| 16:16.39 | treke | it was unstable and a number of features never worked |
| 16:16.40 | kergoth | true that |
| 16:16.46 | kergoth | pretty solid functionality wise though |
| 16:16.47 | Cloudchaser | BigBoss: yes it is |
| 16:16.52 | BigBoss | apparently Ximian is doing a gnomeified version or something? |
| 16:17.06 | Cloudchaser | i use crossover office with ms office |
| 16:17.16 | BigBoss | I'd like to do a Qt version and embed our other desktop apps that it's missing (like what we tried to do with hancom) |
| 16:17.22 | Cloudchaser | haven't found anyting better on linux yet |
| 16:17.50 | dlohin | MS office is one of the things that I think M$ did a great job on |
| 16:18.00 | BigBoss | I always liked SmartSuite better |
| 16:18.05 | ljp_work | well.. time to go home.. bbl |
| 16:18.20 | ljp_work | I like smartsuite also. nice software |
| 16:18.25 | dlohin | I just d/led red carpet... it really SUCKS..... |
| 16:18.32 | Prodigy | dude, this is freaking sweet |
| 16:18.33 | ljp_work | bbl |
| 16:18.35 | Cloudchaser | i never used smart suite |
| 16:18.35 | BigBoss | i still use it |
| 16:18.46 | dlohin | I am sorry but it only lets you d/l a few programs |
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| 16:22.10 | dlohin | BiGBoss... you have 1 programmer? |
| 16:22.23 | dlohin | and a lot of programs.... that is nuts.... |
| 16:22.48 | dlohin | Is your programmer based on how well the software sells? |
| 16:23.34 | Cloudchaser | he has several programmers |
| 16:23.40 | Cloudchaser | look on the website :) |
| 16:23.41 | BigBoss | dlohin: we have about 20 people |
| 16:23.47 | BigBoss | not all of them are listed |
| 16:25.01 | BigBoss | why do you think we have 1 programmer? |
| 16:27.26 | *** part/#zaurus dlohin (~dlohin@maxtnt02-326.phlpa.fast.net) |
| 16:27.30 | sieve | This question has probably been asked before but anyhow.... Will the USB port for the SL-5600 be a USB master? |
| 16:28.02 | Cloudchaser | i don't believe so |
| 16:28.47 | CrazyGogo | who wants a 5600 ?? :) |
| 16:29.09 | kergoth | CrazyGogo: me |
| 16:29.13 | CrazyGogo | :) |
| 16:29.20 | Cloudchaser | i would use one if i had one |
| 16:29.31 | Cloudchaser | but..i will wait for clamshell version |
| 16:30.07 | CrazyGogo | well considering the fact that it'll take month to come out and even longer for the price to lower to reasonable level i'll just stick with the 5500.... |
| 16:30.22 | CrazyGogo | clamshell - what's that? |
| 16:30.47 | Cloudchaser | there's a clamshell model being released in japan |
| 16:30.57 | Cloudchaser | the hope is, that it will also be released in u.s. |
| 16:31.08 | Cloudchaser | but there's nothing to indicate yet that it will |
| 16:31.19 | CrazyGogo | the one that's likt the clie 70nrv? |
| 16:31.27 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 16:31.30 | CrazyGogo | hmm |
| 16:31.37 | kergoth | woot for poker night tonight |
| 16:31.38 | CrazyGogo | what is 'clamshell' then? |
| 16:31.38 | Cloudchaser | the clie is vertical |
| 16:31.46 | CrazyGogo | yes ok |
| 16:32.03 | CrazyGogo | but the principle of the turning tft and keyboard etc... |
| 16:32.12 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 16:32.16 | CrazyGogo | ok |
| 16:33.49 | CrazyGogo | BigBoss: how old are you? |
| 16:33.55 | Com[Plex | "Mattress marketing concentrates on how comfortable the beds are for sleep. Strange that cars, clothes, liquor, medicine, cosmetics and tiny, wireless video cameras are sold with sex, but mattresses are marketed with sleep. |
| 16:33.56 | Com[Plex | " |
| 16:34.14 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:34.16 | kergoth | thats a good point |
| 16:34.59 | Com[Plex | I bet sales of a Serta Velvet Lovenest would put other beds to shame. |
| 16:35.07 | kergoth | hell yeah |
| 16:36.28 | CrazyGogo | what's that? |
| 16:36.38 | hardwire | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 16:36.39 | hardwire | cheese |
| 16:36.41 | hardwire | tortilla |
| 16:36.57 | kergoth | hardwire: nice. |
| 16:37.48 | CrazyGogo | we'll have chicken soup around 1 am .. as soon as the damn thing is ready to loose its meat....... |
| 16:38.07 | kergoth | its poker night for me |
| 16:38.08 | hardwire | CrazyGogo ? |
| 16:38.11 | kergoth | alcohol and pizza and money |
| 16:38.15 | CrazyGogo | hardwire: ? |
| 16:38.18 | kergoth | and cards, smoke, and good times |
| 16:38.19 | hardwire | you are killing the chicken? |
| 16:38.19 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:38.20 | ljp | booya |
| 16:38.32 | hardwire | ? |
| 16:38.34 | hardwire | booya? |
| 16:38.43 | ljp | I like free stuff |
| 16:38.47 | kergoth | ljp: eek, my 10 year old brother says that |
| 16:38.51 | CrazyGogo | the chicken is dead, buts its been cooking for hours and the meat still aint coming off :(( |
| 16:39.00 | kergoth | hardwire: lol |
| 16:39.10 | ljp | hahah I dont have cable |
| 16:39.17 | hardwire | well then .. you just got it |
| 16:39.17 | hardwire | damnit |
| 16:39.19 | hardwire | :( |
| 16:39.27 | ljp | I need a Sun->Pc monitor connector |
| 16:39.29 | hardwire | anyhoot.. now I am full.. of cheese |
| 16:39.34 | hardwire | ljp: I have lots of em |
| 16:39.35 | hardwire | heh |
| 16:39.36 | kergoth | mm cheese |
| 16:39.39 | ljp | really? |
| 16:39.41 | hardwire | yeah |
| 16:39.46 | hardwire | never gotten one to work either |
| 16:39.50 | hardwire | I have like 5 different flavors |
| 16:39.57 | ljp | you have sun monitors? |
| 16:40.09 | hardwire | every stupid sun I have tried playing with always required a fixed frequency monitor or something stupid |
| 16:40.21 | kergoth | i hate those |
| 16:40.24 | ljp | hmm this ones hsync, or so the guy said |
| 16:40.25 | hardwire | same with the sun monitor itself |
| 16:40.39 | hardwire | never gotten one to go to the peesee |
| 16:40.49 | ljp | hmm |
| 16:41.04 | hardwire | 2 more cuts of cheesey love left |
| 16:41.13 | hardwire | and my stomache is announcing its early retirement |
| 16:41.31 | kergoth | see, thats something i dont need to know, right there |
| 16:42.03 | ljp | still its a nice 17" sun monitor |
| 16:42.08 | CrazyGogo | lol |
| 16:42.16 | ljp | almost as heavy as my 19" apple monitor |
| 16:42.23 | CrazyGogo | i have a 19" sun monitor :) |
| 16:42.32 | ljp | on a pc? |
| 16:42.43 | CrazyGogo | nope! on a SUN of course!! |
| 16:42.52 | hardwire | blah |
| 16:43.07 | kergoth | hm |
| 16:43.07 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:43.08 | kergoth | blah |
| 16:43.10 | CrazyGogo | sparcstation 10, dual 50 mhz, 128 mb ram - nice pizzabox |
| 16:43.14 | Cloudchaser | i need a sun monitor :0 |
| 16:43.25 | kergoth | ack |
| 16:43.26 | CrazyGogo | sun is cheap in the US |
| 16:43.27 | kergoth | headache |
| 16:43.27 | Cloudchaser | i've got an ole sparc ultra 5 |
| 16:43.30 | kergoth | @#$ |
| 16:43.48 | Cloudchaser | i have that adapter though so ic an use it with vga monitor |
| 16:43.56 | ljp | cloud: I just got a 17" sun monitor for free |
| 16:44.00 | kergoth | hardwire: hah, i have 3 of those at work here |
| 16:44.02 | CrazyGogo | well ther should ab an adapter to use sun monitor with a pc!? |
| 16:44.10 | Cloudchaser | yes ljp read that :) |
| 16:44.30 | ljp | too heavy to ship cheaply |
| 16:44.38 | Cloudchaser | definitely ;) |
| 16:44.43 | hardwire | CrazyGogo ? |
| 16:44.49 | CrazyGogo | hardwire: yes? |
| 16:45.42 | CrazyGogo | hmmm.... |
| 16:46.04 | kergoth | BORED |
| 16:46.06 | kergoth | !!%#@%! |
| 16:46.08 | hardwire | DOREB |
| 16:46.19 | kergoth | doreb? |
| 16:46.20 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:46.20 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:46.24 | kergoth | doreb is fun to say |
| 16:46.25 | kergoth | say it |
| 16:46.33 | hardwire | no |
| 16:46.37 | kergoth | SAY IT |
| 16:46.39 | kergoth | DOREB! |
| 16:46.45 | CrazyGogo | lol |
| 16:46.46 | hardwire | if you are so bored kergoth.. go try not to smile at the mirror |
| 16:46.54 | CrazyGogo | http://hardwarebook.net/adapter/av/macvideotovga.html |
| 16:46.58 | hardwire | make a really really grumpy face and keep it |
| 16:47.02 | ljp | I also got an AMD 500 I'ma gonna put me some linux on |
| 16:47.05 | CrazyGogo | at least mac-->vga ... |
| 16:47.08 | kergoth | hardwire: hah, i'm not *that* bored |
| 16:47.13 | kergoth | hardwire: besides, i'm stuck at owrk |
| 16:47.14 | hardwire | go beat something |
| 16:47.22 | kergoth | yeah, a customer preferably |
| 16:47.26 | CrazyGogo | ljp: my server is an athlon 700 |
| 16:47.31 | kergoth | excuse me, mr how do you spell cat |
| 16:47.32 | ljp | and I got an old mac2 |
| 16:47.33 | kergoth | *pow* |
| 16:47.34 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:47.36 | kergoth | fuckers |
| 16:47.44 | hardwire | hehwehe |
| 16:47.58 | CrazyGogo | katt |
| 16:48.09 | kergoth | i shit you not |
| 16:48.11 | kergoth | someone asked me |
| 16:48.12 | CrazyGogo | cat /proc/dumbass |
| 16:48.15 | kergoth | how you spell vi! |
| 16:48.17 | kergoth | well sir |
| 16:48.21 | kergoth | its .. vi |
| 16:48.32 | kergoth | veeeye |
| 16:48.33 | sandman__ | kergoth: hi |
| 16:48.34 | CrazyGogo | wieei <-- german :) |
| 16:48.39 | kergoth | hey sandman__, hows it going |
| 16:48.45 | sandman__ | kergoth: I found the problem with usbnet |
| 16:48.50 | kergoth | sandman__: ahh, what was it? |
| 16:48.55 | sandman__ | It doesn't like bridging |
| 16:49.02 | kergoth | sandman__: ! |
| 16:49.04 | kergoth | odd |
| 16:49.17 | sandman__ | but only the Zaurus version -- the plain 2.4.20rc1 version bridges ok |
| 16:49.24 | kergoth | thats weird. |
| 16:49.30 | kergoth | reported to the linux usb devel list? |
| 16:49.50 | sandman__ | not yet -- I want to test briding with ipaq again, just to be sure |
| 16:49.59 | kergoth | ah cool |
| 16:50.01 | kergoth | keep me posted |
| 16:50.07 | sandman__ | will do |
| 16:50.19 | CrazyGogo | what is bridging in conjunction with usb? |
| 16:50.27 | kergoth | sandman__: is affix in familiar, or just bluez? |
| 16:50.41 | sandman__ | Only bluez AFAIK |
| 16:50.49 | sandman__ | affix is evil :) |
| 16:50.54 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:50.55 | kergoth | yes |
| 16:51.00 | kergoth | affix is hanging Zauruses atm |
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| 16:51.08 | kergoth | boom. crash and burn |
| 16:51.12 | sandman__ | bluez works nicely on my 3870 |
| 16:51.18 | CrazyGogo | crash boom bang |
| 16:51.24 | kergoth | cool, i'll add bluez to OZ as well |
| 16:51.40 | sandman__ | kergoth: Even got PAN working with auto-reconnect |
| 16:51.48 | kergoth | nice |
| 16:52.06 | sandman__ | kergoth: So the iPAQ automatically gets bridged into my network as soon as it is detected |
| 16:52.09 | kergoth | definately got to add bluez then, i think i have david woodhouse's reworked bluez makefiles laying around |
| 16:53.50 | kergoth | hardwire: you have a dog? |
| 16:53.53 | bobstay | weh. |
| 16:53.54 | hardwire | kergoth: two! |
| 16:53.54 | kergoth | bobstay: are you getting the zaurus hang issue with affix? |
| 16:53.55 | kergoth | hardwire: ah. what are they? |
| 16:53.55 | bobstay | no, it doesn't hang. |
| 16:53.58 | bobstay | but it doesn't work too well |
| 16:54.01 | hardwire | one bog doofy golden retriever |
| 16:54.05 | bobstay | it *did* hang, before. Not now. |
| 16:54.05 | kergoth | bobstay: hmm, i've had two reports of a hang |
| 16:54.10 | kergoth | bobstay: ah |
| 16:54.11 | kergoth | bobstay: odd |
| 16:54.12 | hardwire | and a rotweiler australian sheapard mix |
| 16:54.17 | hardwire | my roomates dogs |
| 16:54.21 | bobstay | kergoth: before the 1.2.4, I mean. |
| 16:54.21 | hardwire | the golden is an idiot |
| 16:54.28 | hardwire | and I don't much care for him |
| 16:54.28 | treke | hardwire: aaawwww aussies are so cure |
| 16:54.32 | bobstay | kergoth: I shall keep you posted. |
| 16:54.37 | kergoth | bobstay: ah. interesting. sam steele seems to see it with 1.2.4 |
| 16:54.41 | kergoth | bobstay: different cards perhaps |
| 16:54.42 | hardwire | the rotwieler aussies mix is just cool |
| 16:54.45 | hardwire | his name is neo |
| 16:54.47 | kergoth | bobstay: i wonder which card perens has |
| 16:54.54 | hardwire | he had his nutz choped off so he takes it out on fetching |
| 16:54.57 | bobstay | kergoth: undoubtedly card-specific. |
| 16:55.00 | hardwire | he can't go without it |
| 16:55.03 | CrazyGogo | did i hear bluetooth?? HERE!! :) |
| 16:55.04 | kergoth | bobstay: geh |
| 16:55.07 | treke | aussies are my favorite types of dog :) |
| 16:55.29 | kergoth | WOOT |
| 16:55.32 | kergoth | work is finally fucking over |
| 16:55.38 | hardwire | treke: he is on a dog run outside.. because he keeps hopping the 6 foot fence to chase stuff |
| 16:55.41 | kergoth | time to go play poker |
| 16:55.52 | hardwire | but.. he is pulling down the fence now too .. |
| 16:55.52 | hardwire | heh |
| 16:55.56 | bobstay | hardwire: heard of pavlov? |
| 16:56.04 | bobstay | connect fence to mains.... |
| 16:56.27 | kergoth`out | hardwire: bastard |
| 16:56.33 | hardwire | bobstay yeah.. I even made a pavlov joke earlier |
| 16:56.49 | bobstay | I guess I should read the channel sometime |
| 16:56.55 | hardwire | hehe |
| 16:57.21 | bobstay | ehe! mplayer rocks! it doesn't mind you giving it a directory as the dvd-device, if it has a valid dvd filesystem in it :) |
| 16:59.10 | hardwire | true that |
| 16:59.56 | Cloudchaser | wow i'm watching the news.. michael jackson is even more freaky looking that he used to be |
| 17:00.02 | Cloudchaser | i didn't know that was possible |
| 17:00.18 | treke | he needs to lose the "beard" |
| 17:00.29 | ljp | he's got a beard? |
| 17:00.54 | CrazyGogo | yesssssssssssssssssss |
| 17:00.57 | Cloudchaser | is that what that was? |
| 17:01.05 | CrazyGogo | got myself some new socks... |
| 17:01.05 | treke | Cloudchaser: In theory, yes |
| 17:01.06 | hardwire | jackson looks like he is gonna fall apart |
| 17:01.09 | CrazyGogo | http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1786295125&rd=1 |
| 17:01.13 | Cloudchaser | hehe yeah he does |
| 17:01.16 | Cloudchaser | he's a freak |
| 17:02.08 | ljp | you sure its not painted on? did he get testosterone injections? |
| 17:02.21 | hardwire | heheh |
| 17:03.20 | bobstay | you bought socks on ebay? lmao |
| 17:03.30 | CrazyGogo | cool, eh?! :) |
| 17:05.32 | hardwire | really nice socks? |
| 17:05.58 | CrazyGogo | certainly :) |
| 17:06.14 | CrazyGogo | unfortunately without comic strips :( |
| 17:06.47 | treke | ljp: http://images.ibsys.com/2002/1114/1786162_200X150.jpg |
| 17:07.47 | hardwire | even growing hair on his nose? |
| 17:08.24 | hardwire | so.. whats troubling micheal jackson.. really |
| 17:09.51 | bobstay | and... what's with the damn triangular nostrils? |
| 17:10.00 | hardwire | more effecient |
| 17:10.05 | ibz | i heard that MJ takes his nose off before he sleeps... |
| 17:10.12 | hardwire | eww |
| 17:10.15 | hardwire | EWW |
| 17:10.17 | hardwire | thats not right |
| 17:10.21 | ljp | my new girlfriend-> http://www.llornkcor.com/images/stripes_1.jpg |
| 17:10.27 | hardwire | awwwww |
| 17:10.41 | bobstay | but does it eat plasticine. |
| 17:10.45 | hardwire | fluffy love |
| 17:11.32 | ljp | :) |
| 17:11.50 | hardwire | my mia kitty is wearing her harley davidson collar |
| 17:12.01 | hardwire | she was sleeping on my black leather jacket earlier |
| 17:12.04 | ljp | mines running around the house naked |
| 17:12.05 | hardwire | it was cure |
| 17:12.09 | hardwire | cute |
| 17:12.10 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:12.13 | ljp | naked! |
| 17:12.17 | hardwire | NAKED |
| 17:14.31 | hardwire | one of my roomies is gettting intervued by the boulder police soon |
| 17:14.42 | hardwire | he is joining the PD |
| 17:14.43 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:14.46 | ljp | hmm why so? |
| 17:14.49 | hardwire | and they are coming to the house |
| 17:14.54 | hardwire | and I don't wanna be hear |
| 17:14.57 | hardwire | here |
| 17:14.57 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:15.31 | ljp | hmm great, they're probably listening in to this channel |
| 17:16.03 | bipolar | Naked? |
| 17:16.33 | ljp | yes! a naked cat! |
| 17:17.43 | bipolar | there are two ferrits running around in this room.... |
| 17:17.44 | ljp | yes, but is she running around the house naked? |
| 17:18.43 | Com[Plex | "Tampons are used to stem the flow of blood, like a cross between a hydroelectric dam and a band-aid. |
| 17:18.44 | bipolar | half.... |
| 17:18.45 | Com[Plex | " |
| 17:19.03 | bipolar | make that 75%..... |
| 17:19.13 | bipolar | uh oh.... gotta go..... |
| 17:20.26 | CrazyGogo | ok... i'll go and rip da chicken apart!! |
| 17:20.35 | CrazyGogo | ok... i'll go and rip da chicken apart!! |
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| 17:27.47 | hardwire | heyyy |
| 17:27.50 | hardwire | this cop is a hippie |
| 17:27.55 | hardwire | damn boulder pd |
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| 17:28.31 | ljp | under cover? |
| 17:29.02 | ljp | break out 'da ganja, mon |
| 17:29.22 | hardwire | heh |
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| 17:48.44 | TrekCycling | ahhhhh... where did zaurus.sourceforge.net go? |
| 17:48.56 | ljp | sf shut it down |
| 17:49.17 | TrekCycling | but the other site isn't up yet, is it? |
| 17:49.32 | ljp | no |
| 17:49.37 | TrekCycling | so why did they do that? |
| 17:50.10 | ljp | dunno, you would have to ask JasonNJ |
| 17:50.18 | TrekCycling | huh |
| 17:50.18 | *** part/#zaurus ibz (~foobar@host217-35-36-32.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 17:50.28 | TrekCycling | I was wanting to download a java compiler. Kopi or Jikes. |
| 17:52.33 | BZFlag | ~bzflist |
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| 18:02.48 | noidd | ello |
| 18:07.10 | hardwire | olle |
| 18:07.12 | hardwire | and |
| 18:07.14 | hardwire | er |
| 18:08.02 | hardwire | hmm |
| 18:08.19 | hardwire | can you use Nitro on battle bots? |
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| 18:15.35 | ljp | nitro? |
| 18:18.51 | TrekCycling | how do I do history |
| 18:19.32 | TrekCycling | here, I mean, in IRC. |
| 18:19.51 | noidd | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.52 | TrekCycling | I was wondering if anyone mentioned where to get jikes or kopi since zaurus.sf.net is down. |
| 18:22.13 | dcarmich | Can you send your own IR codes out the Zaurus's port? |
| 18:24.09 | noidd | dcarmich: I would have thought so |
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| 19:15.28 | Com[Plex | hey guys. - woudl anyon dare to make a guess if the c700 might be able to run qte or oz3? |
| 19:15.52 | Com[Plex | I really got my eyes on that bad boy. imj tempted to try to import on. |
| 19:17.28 | treke|home | the c700 comes with qt/e on it |
| 19:17.41 | treke|home | send one to kergoth`out and I'm sure he'd port it |
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| 20:54.22 | TheMasterMind1 | i want an aim client on the Z |
| 20:54.27 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: isthere one for pg? |
| 20:54.34 | treke|home | TheMasterMind1: use kinkatta |
| 20:54.39 | TheMasterMind1 | its too slow |
| 20:54.43 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't know why |
| 20:54.52 | TheMasterMind1 | it takes forever to just show all my buddies signing on |
| 20:54.54 | treke|home | so uhm, fix kinkatta |
| 20:55.05 | TheMasterMind1 | but i want one right now |
| 20:55.20 | TheMasterMind1 | i could sit here and compile gaim and then run it in tinyx |
| 20:55.31 | TheMasterMind1 | oh well. no time |
| 20:55.42 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll ssh to another box and use centericq i guess |
| 20:55.47 | TheMasterMind1 | bbl |
| 20:55.47 | treke|home | and I want a red head. I guess we dont all get what we want |
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| 22:04.50 | jaytee | has anyone tried a Treo stylus in their zaurus 5500? |
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| 22:14.01 | TrekCycling | anyone here? |
| 22:15.29 | Hellaenergy | yup |
| 22:15.50 | TrekCycling | oh hey |
| 22:15.58 | Hellaenergy | howya doin? |
| 22:16.18 | TrekCycling | do you know where I can find a java compiler for the Zaurus? Sourceforge is down and I'm desparately trying to find Kopi or Jikes packaged for the Z. |
| 22:16.45 | Hellaenergy | ibot: Kopi |
| 22:16.45 | | A completely open-source Java compiler and development environment. URL: http://www.dms.at/kopi/ |
| 22:16.58 | Hellaenergy | ibot: jikes |
| 22:16.58 | | Java compiler that translates Java source into bytecoded instruction sets. URL: http://www.alphaWorks.ibm.com/tech/jikes/, or available for download (ARM) at http://adorphuye.com/files/ |
| 22:17.50 | TrekCycling | oh, good idea |
| 22:17.58 | Hellaenergy | :) |
| 22:18.29 | Hellaenergy | sourceforge is down? |
| 22:19.03 | TrekCycling | yeah, go to zaurus.sourceforge.net |
| 22:19.10 | TrekCycling | at least, that project is down, I mean |
| 22:19.10 | TrekCycling | gone |
| 22:19.37 | Hellaenergy | damb |
| 22:21.00 | Hellaenergy | TrekCycling: Does that help, though? |
| 22:22.07 | TrekCycling | yeah, that helps |
| 22:23.13 | Hellaenergy | good |
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| 23:06.21 | ElzWhere | does anyone know why if i flash my Z to install OZ3 that everytime when it is finnished i start it up and i still get the sharp screen what a prompt? I have flashed like 6 times with and redownloaded the image files and everything the same thing happens. Anyone else have this problem? |
| 23:09.08 | Cloudchaser | did you rename the files according to the instructions? |
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| 23:11.04 | ElzWhere | Cloudchaser yep |
| 23:11.44 | ElzWhere | everything is flashing right takes about 3-13 minutes, then full reset turn battery to normal and then turn on |
| 23:12.04 | Cloudchaser | you got both files and put them on vfat cf card? |
| 23:12.09 | jaytee | ... and cross fingers :-) |
| 23:12.11 | ElzWhere | yeah |
| 23:12.32 | ElzWhere | i can install my old sharp rom back onto the zaurus but thats it |
| 23:13.22 | Cloudchaser | you did full reset after you flashed? |
| 23:13.35 | ElzWhere | yes |
| 23:14.18 | Cloudchaser | you have 5000 or 5500? |
| 23:14.43 | ElzWhere | 5500 |
| 23:15.02 | Cloudchaser | ok and your files are named zImage and initrd.bin? |
| 23:15.10 | Cloudchaser | oh and how did you get them onto your CF card? |
| 23:15.58 | ElzWhere | have a cf card reader, i had OZ3 on it before just thought id try the sharp rom and then i wanted to reinstall OZ3 and im here |
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| 23:17.44 | Cloudchaser | do you have the sharp files and the oz files both in the root of your cf? |
| 23:17.56 | ElzWhere | no |
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| 23:18.32 | Cloudchaser | well, i'm fresh out of ideas then...its pretty straight forward. |
| 23:18.47 | ElzWhere | yeah i know i didnt have this problem before |
| 23:18.57 | Infamous2 | anyone know how to uninstall linux? |
| 23:19.12 | jaytee | Infamous2: from what? |
| 23:19.14 | Cloudchaser | download, rename, put on root of vfat cf card, c + D, reset button, hard reset |
| 23:19.16 | Infamous2 | i want to use mandrake instead of RH, but i want to delete RH first |
| 23:19.22 | Infamous2 | i have a dual boot system |
| 23:19.28 | Cloudchaser | just install the mandrake |
| 23:19.39 | Cloudchaser | and have it remove any linux partitions |
| 23:19.47 | Cloudchaser | or tell it which partition you want it on |
| 23:19.50 | jaytee | that would work |
| 23:19.57 | Infamous2 | ehh, i went to, but its weird...and what about grub (the bootloader)...i don |
| 23:20.07 | Infamous2 | t want to mess up my exisiting XP boot |
| 23:20.08 | jaytee | do you have anything in the RH system you want to keep? |
| 23:20.11 | Infamous2 | nah |
| 23:20.15 | Infamous2 | not really |
| 23:20.46 | jaytee | does Mandrake use grub now? |
| 23:20.50 | jaytee | too? |
| 23:20.59 | Infamous2 | i haven't installed it yet..i'm not sure |
| 23:21.05 | Infamous2 | i'm using grub with RH though.... |
| 23:21.18 | jaytee | i finally made the switch |
| 23:21.37 | jaytee | i would suspect itb does |
| 23:21.41 | Infamous2 | ? |
| 23:21.47 | jaytee | but am not sure |
| 23:21.52 | jaytee | itb -> it |
| 23:22.37 | jaytee | either way, i would think mandrake would recognize your XP partition and allow booting |
| 23:22.55 | Infamous2 | couldn't i use fixmbr that came with XP? |
| 23:22.57 | Infamous2 | like on the cd? |
| 23:23.20 | jaytee | what .. to get rid of grub/lilo altogether? |
| 23:23.35 | jaytee | there's probably no need |
| 23:24.28 | jaytee | if you are going to put mandrake over top anyway |
| 23:25.47 | jaytee | ElzWhere: is your Z connected through the AC adapter when you are doing this? |
| 23:27.42 | ZERO_K | when you isntall mandrake, it should overwrite your mbr |
| 23:28.14 | ZERO_K | it will ask if you want to use grub, lilo, ect, i dont think they use lilo anymore though |
| 23:28.28 | ZERO_K | it would allow you to su root real easy |
| 23:29.00 | ZERO_K | besides, its only a win os on the other partition/drive |
| 23:29.08 | ZERO_K | its not like your loosing anything worth sumthing, haha |
| 23:29.13 | jaytee | hehe |
| 23:29.29 | jaytee | but it should keep it around anyway then |
| 23:29.50 | jaytee | i think Infamous2 is busy trying things out |
| 23:29.55 | jaytee | see |
| 23:29.57 | jaytee | :-) |
| 23:30.24 | ZERO_K | i dont know it wil keep waht your using now |
| 23:30.44 | ZERO_K | i think it will overwrite the mbr and use what ever its using for dualboot |
| 23:31.04 | jaytee | ZERO_K: your typing is getting worse than mine |
| 23:31.19 | ZERO_K | yup |
| 23:31.26 | sheagil | Just trying to get my new zaurus to work but having trouble getting the module usbd in the stck kernel from kernel.org |
| 23:31.35 | jaytee | hopefully he'll figure it out.. |
| 23:32.05 | jaytee | are your using usbdnet patch? |
| 23:32.22 | jaytee | i get 1 reject with 2.4.20-rc2 |
| 23:32.32 | sheagil | The patch looks more like a part of the source tree but how do you insert it into the source so it will compile |
| 23:32.44 | jaytee | you have the patch? |
| 23:33.46 | sheagil | I have managed to complile the usbdnet patch and the zaurus is recognized on usbview but it says driver not loaded. The usbd module is from oss.lineo.com. |
| 23:34.01 | jaytee | in the ../linux directory, you would say 'patch -p0 < usbdnet.patch |
| 23:34.56 | sheagil | The usdbnet patch was okay with patch -p1 -b -d. I just can't figure out how to get the module for usbd compiled. |
| 23:35.02 | jaytee | ahh |
| 23:35.11 | jaytee | the base module |
| 23:36.01 | jaytee | i don't understand... do you have usbcore and usb-uhci loaded? |
| 23:36.03 | sheagil | The usbd module from lineo looks more like a source tree. I tried make and also just dropping it into my source but that didn't work. I know it is obvious I just can't figure it out. |
| 23:36.51 | sheagil | The modules usb-uhci, usb-core, usbdnet all load. And the zaurus is recognized by hotplug and assigned an ip address. |
| 23:37.35 | sheagil | However, the /var/log/messages says kernel driver not found. I think that I need the usbd driver .. maybe not |
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| 23:44.29 | jaytee | hmmm I get a warning, but the module loads |
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| 23:49.08 | sheagil | I guess that my problem is that I can't get the usbd module to compile. I have the source but can't figure out how to "make" it. |
| 23:50.54 | Cloudchaser | grr |
| 23:51.01 | Cloudchaser | opie screenshot applet won't work |
