| 00:00:14 | hobbs | TheMasterMind1: heh. that's dumb, then. |
| 00:00:15 | TheMasterMind1 | you can look at the sharp/lineo kernel patch for the Zaurus it defines 4 levels |
| 00:00:17 | TheMasterMind1 | pretty sad |
| 00:00:25 | TheMasterMind1 | that's one of the big things to fix in 2.4.19 |
| 00:00:42 | TheMasterMind1 | which we'll go back to developing as soon as this new oz releases |
| 00:00:45 | TheMasterMind1 | Real Soon Now |
| 00:00:47 | noiddz | but my laptop could get battery status as % using early kernels |
| 00:00:48 | Dessimat0r | excellent ;) |
| 00:00:52 | hobbs | Cool. |
| 00:00:57 | noiddz | whats different bout this? |
| 00:01:14 | Dessimat0r | your laptop probably had a patch also, to enable it to do this |
| 00:01:15 | TheMasterMind1 | noiddz: the code that was written to make it work on the zaurus only defined 4 levels |
| 00:01:20 | TheMasterMind1 | someone was feeling lazy |
| 00:01:22 | hobbs | TheMasterMind1: I can't wait to use OZ. Right now I'm penniless, no CF. :) |
| 00:01:25 | Dessimat0r | but its incompatible with the Z |
| 00:01:38 | noiddz | oh, its Z hardware specific? |
| 00:02:07 | Dessimat0r | well, I think PDAs and laptop have different battery level checking routenes ;) |
| 00:02:12 | cerezu | hobbs: right now I am zaurus-less because flashing failed and I have no CF reader to recopy the files, so I am stuck... sigh |
| 00:02:18 | TheMasterMind1 | yes, there's a zaurus patch that enables the kernel to function on the zaurus |
| 00:02:29 | TheMasterMind1 | without it, nothing works |
| 00:02:33 | scanline | is away: food |
| 00:02:44 | hobbs | ./dcc send cerezu dcc_cf_reader_writer |
| 00:02:47 | noiddz | hmmmm |
| 00:02:53 | hobbs | er... s:2nd/dcc/usb/ |
| 00:02:55 | TheMasterMind1 | we basically have to port the patch to 2.4.19 and add more functionality to the stupid things, such as this apm code |
| 00:03:10 | TheMasterMind1 | Cloudchaser: hi |
| 00:03:21 | hobbs | TheMasterMind1: good luck. |
| 00:03:23 | noiddz | i'm going to go compile breadperl |
| 00:03:31 | Cloudchaser | hello |
| 00:03:36 | noiddz | bLeadperl |
| 00:03:38 | noiddz | even |
| 00:03:38 | TheMasterMind1 | hobbs: oh yea, great fun. kergoth gets to have most of it |
| 00:03:49 | noiddz | heyas cloudchaser :-) |
| 00:03:50 | hobbs | TheMasterMind1: maybe I'll get more involved once I can actually _run_ OZ. I've done a little bit of kernel hacking and etc. |
| 00:03:58 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 00:04:10 | noiddz | hobbs: its lovely |
| 00:04:18 | hardwire | shit its already late there |
| 00:04:20 | hardwire | err |
| 00:04:22 | hardwire | wrong channel |
| 00:04:29 | noiddz | hehe |
| 00:04:44 | ljp | hey! |
| 00:04:46 | noiddz | ok. i'm off - catch you all later! |
| 00:04:55 | noiddz | hiya and bye ljp |
| 00:05:04 | ljp | hi |
| 00:05:30 | noiddz | see how many years it will take to compile bleadperl :-) |
| 00:05:33 | ljp | hardwire likes to talk to himself |
| 00:05:35 | Cloudchaser | heya |
| 00:05:44 | ljp | hi cloudy |
| 00:05:50 | noiddz | waves |
| 00:06:11 | Cloudchaser | hows things today ljp? |
| 00:06:20 | ljp | likes konq with Arial |
| 00:06:26 | cerezu | is SMC the same as SD? |
| 00:06:32 | cerezu | well, compatible, I mean |
| 00:06:40 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 00:06:53 | TheMasterMind1 | its a different physical shape and standard |
| 00:06:55 | ljp | Cloudchaser: I'm ok, considering |
| 00:07:01 | TheMasterMind1 | mmc is sd compatible |
| 00:07:10 | Cloudchaser | considering what? |
| 00:07:17 | ljp | Cloudchaser: still waiting on word with that job interview |
| 00:07:18 | cerezu | but sd is not smc compatible? |
| 00:07:20 | hobbs | crapcrapcrapcrap. |
| 00:07:26 | TheMasterMind1 | cerezu: nope |
| 00:07:35 | TheMasterMind1 | smc is totally different |
| 00:07:51 | hobbs | I just hit that 'reboot' bug again. It's been a while. |
| 00:07:58 | ljp | Cloudchaser: wanted to get something done today, and so far haven't |
| 00:08:04 | Cloudchaser | :( |
| 00:08:10 | Cloudchaser | i didn't get anything done today either |
| 00:08:15 | Cloudchaser | except applied for unemployment |
| 00:08:22 | ljp | ouch |
| 00:08:24 | hobbs | good thing I tarred up /home just today. |
| 00:09:00 | Cloudchaser | i can't collect for 12 weeks it looks like |
| 00:09:05 | Cloudchaser | but i have a hearing nov 12 |
| 00:09:12 | ljp | hmmm |
| 00:09:31 | Cloudchaser | 6 weeks severence and 6 weeks accrued vacation |
| 00:09:38 | ljp | did you tell them in 12 weeks you'll be begging down by the docks? |
| 00:09:50 | Cloudchaser | hehe they don't care |
| 00:10:13 | ljp | true |
| 00:10:26 | Cloudchaser | at least i got something |
| 00:10:50 | ljp | are you certified al all? |
| 00:10:58 | ljp | at all even |
| 00:11:08 | Cloudchaser | ccnp, ccda and network management specialization |
| 00:11:20 | ljp | ahh.. |
| 00:11:42 | ljp | I'm a certified credit risk currently |
| 00:11:46 | ljp | heh |
| 00:11:47 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 00:12:01 | Cloudchaser | i have a possible...but nothing firm yet |
| 00:12:14 | Cloudchaser | with a group of our former engineers who started their own company |
| 00:12:27 | Cloudchaser | they need my ccnp to get their silver certification with cisco |
| 00:12:35 | Cloudchaser | (or someone's) |
| 00:12:55 | ljp | aoh.. just have them throw up an ipo.. and ... oh.. ya.. .thats years ago.. nm |
| 00:13:01 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 00:13:56 | ljp | grumbles about high tech funds... |
| 00:14:04 | Cloudchaser | grumbles |
| 00:14:21 | Cloudchaser | this hasn't been my most successful week |
| 00:14:40 | Cloudchaser | hoping the hubby gets a promotion so i don't *have* to work :) |
| 00:14:51 | ljp | hehehe there ya go |
| 00:15:12 | ljp | 'if you dont get a promotion, your sleeping on the couch!" |
| 00:16:40 | Cloudchaser | most you can get from unemployment is 411 per week |
| 00:17:11 | ljp | heh thats about 2x what I make on a good week |
| 00:17:32 | Cloudchaser | hope that job comes to you then |
| 00:18:34 | Dessimat0r | gah... got to insert the cd for the usb drives again |
| 00:18:38 | Dessimat0r | drivers |
| 00:18:50 | prpplague | 411 per week? |
| 00:19:12 | Dessimat0r | flashed my bios before, decidied to forget about all the devices attacted to the mobo |
| 00:19:16 | Dessimat0r | attached |
| 00:19:56 | ljp | ouch |
| 00:20:00 | prpplague | doh |
| 00:21:46 | ljp | one time I flashed a bios, and it was the wrong one, but luckily I saved the old on a different harddrive, and i have to convince the board to flash the right one.. I dont know how i did it, but it worked |
| 00:22:21 | ljp | it wasnt totally borked |
| 00:22:42 | ToyKeeper | Hey, spiff. prpplague. :) |
| 00:23:02 | ToyKeeper | I was going to ask if you have any files related to X11-Z up somewhere. |
| 00:23:21 | ljp | heheh prpplague?? X on Z?? |
| 00:24:08 | hobbs | doesn't Y feel left out? |
| 00:24:09 | ljp | ya, I'm chanting great googli-moogli that I get that job.. |
| 00:24:51 | ljp | or that hardwire really has a chance at a CTO |
| 00:25:19 | ljp | and make him hire me |
| 00:25:22 | ToyKeeper | A CTO living 2000 miles off-site. :) |
| 00:25:32 | ljp | haha.. yup |
| 00:25:46 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 00:25:48 | ToyKeeper | Sounds pretty promising, actually. |
| 00:26:18 | ToyKeeper | I know the people involved with that, and they really do like him that much. |
| 00:26:32 | ljp | hmmm interesting |
| 00:26:34 | Dessimat0r | if you have a network card, you can remove the bios chip from its socket, and replace the one on the network card |
| 00:26:41 | Dessimat0r | then you can flash it like that ;) |
| 00:26:45 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 00:27:12 | ljp | scary thought, Hardwire, CTO |
| 00:27:22 | prpplague | ToyKeeper: the buildroot has a tinyx but its still got tons of bugs |
| 00:27:30 | prpplague | ToyKeeper: i'm working on it now |
| 00:27:37 | ToyKeeper | Where's the buildroot? |
| 00:27:45 | ToyKeeper | Any bugs I can help with? |
| 00:28:02 | ToyKeeper | I'm just getting sick of wanting something but doing nothing to make it happen. |
| 00:29:00 | [DrEvil] | fix oipkg |
| 00:29:16 | ToyKeeper | Heh. |
| 00:29:23 | ToyKeeper | I have no interest in qtopia. :( |
| 00:29:42 | ToyKeeper | Which is why I keep bugging prpplague about X. |
| 00:29:47 | [DrEvil] | it's in opiew |
| 00:29:47 | [DrEvil] | opie |
| 00:29:55 | Dessimat0r | the stylus seems more responsive in the latest testing OZ |
| 00:30:14 | | hmmm... bk oz is see oz bk |
| 00:30:14 | prpplague | ibot: bk oz |
| 00:30:20 | | somebody said oz bk was bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you don't want to use bk |
| 00:30:20 | prpplague | ibot: oz bk |
| 00:30:22 | [DrEvil] | uncompresses his Zaurus sandbox |
| 00:30:26 | ToyKeeper | Oh. Okay. |
| 00:30:49 | [DrEvil] | use bitchkeeper |
| 00:30:50 | ToyKeeper | I suppose I can probably evade the BK license long enough to get OZ. :) |
| 00:31:08 | hardwire | heh |
| 00:31:12 | [DrEvil] | and while you are at it |
| 00:31:18 | hardwire | pets ToyKeeper |
| 00:31:21 | prpplague | [DrEvil]: lol |
| 00:31:23 | hardwire | its not as evil now |
| 00:31:28 | hardwire | just snag the newest bk bins |
| 00:31:29 | [DrEvil] | tell me what writes /tmp/.ICE-unix |
| 00:31:49 | prpplague | ToyKeeper: there is a end user free use license |
| 00:31:52 | [DrEvil] | that dir has been giving me trouble |
| 00:32:04 | [DrEvil] | like you would not believe |
| 00:32:18 | [DrEvil] | if it is not set to root everything takes forever to load |
| 00:32:43 | ToyKeeper | Yeah, the free bk license prohibits use by anyone even remotely associated with development of other config-management systems. |
| 00:32:48 | [DrEvil] | openoffice takes literally 10 minutes to load |
| 00:32:48 | ToyKeeper | Not that they'd actually notice. |
| 00:33:13 | ToyKeeper | Anyway, is there an X11 buglist in the buildroot? |
| 00:34:07 | hardwire | make one |
| 00:34:17 | ToyKeeper | I'd need to know what the bugs are first. :) |
| 00:34:23 | hardwire | find out :) |
| 00:34:30 | ToyKeeper | I'm trying. |
| 00:38:29 | hardwire | I know |
| 00:38:52 | hardwire | the X world with the OZ buildroot and Z in general is still in.. needs people to knock heads ttogether phase |
| 00:41:29 | ljp | is it pizza night? |
| 00:41:58 | hobbs | I could use some pizza. |
| 00:42:01 | scanline | is back (gone 00:39:29) |
| 00:43:11 | hardwire | ljp: dear lord |
| 00:43:13 | hardwire | I want papa johns |
| 00:43:13 | hardwire | ! |
| 00:43:14 | ljp | me too |
| 00:43:20 | hardwire | SOOOO BAD! |
| 00:43:22 | ljp | haha that have pizza hut |
| 00:43:27 | hardwire | they have one here in anchorage |
| 00:43:33 | ljp | ah |
| 00:43:33 | hardwire | maybe I can con my boss out of some cash |
| 00:43:51 | hardwire | or just do it tomorrow |
| 00:46:01 | ljp | there's probably alot of open wireless networks downtown ;) |
| 00:47:19 | ljp | yup.. papajohns night |
| 00:49:10 | ToyKeeper | yup.. (un)frozen food night |
| 00:49:58 | hardwire | so far X works well on the z |
| 00:49:59 | hardwire | heh |
| 00:50:02 | hardwire | except for the no resume thing |
| 00:50:32 | ToyKeeper | Yeah. Kind of a big problem. |
| 00:50:33 | ljp | dont boot into opie first |
| 00:50:58 | ToyKeeper | I want to find out what all le X11 booogs are. |
| 00:51:22 | ToyKeeper | It has no suspend problems when opie isn't present? |
| 00:51:45 | hardwire | ljp: doesn't help |
| 00:51:48 | ljp | dont know.. wouldnt think so |
| 00:51:49 | ljp | oh |
| 00:51:50 | ToyKeeper | If so, I don't have to care about that particular boogaroo. :) |
| 00:51:56 | hardwire | its an issue with apmd and the zapm daemon |
| 00:52:26 | hardwire | you do :) |
| 00:52:38 | ljp | maybe X holds the device file descriptor open during the suspend |
| 00:53:13 | ljp | or.. not x |
| 00:53:37 | ljp | have you tried the apmd from familiar? |
| 00:54:13 | ljp | 's just shooting his brain |
| 00:54:39 | ToyKeeper | I'm about to reflash the latest OZ and then start from scratch with X11... if I can motivate myself to spend the time on it. |
| 00:54:53 | hardwire | ToyKeeper: beh |
| 00:54:57 | hardwire | just wait till I get home |
| 00:55:04 | hardwire | and we will double team up on it |
| 00:56:17 | ToyKeeper | Last time I flashed a new OZ because the text editor refused to save. |
| 00:56:29 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 00:56:32 | ToyKeeper | But after flashing, "ipkg update" barfed right out of the box. |
| 00:56:37 | ToyKeeper | Then I gave up for a while. |
| 00:57:07 | nasa | bbl |
| 00:57:13 | Dessimat0r | you could have just got the latest textedit from the opie feed ;) |
| 00:57:32 | Dessimat0r | I had the problem of the text not saving too |
| 00:57:38 | Dessimat0r | i was doing some notes in it at college |
| 00:57:46 | Dessimat0r | then upon saving, it did not do so... |
| 00:58:09 | ToyKeeper | I don't know why, but it seems that every time I touch the Z I manage to find exactly the wrong things to do. |
| 00:58:33 | Dessimat0r | lol ;) |
| 00:58:33 | codemnky | i'm alive |
| 00:58:39 | ljp | hmm |
| 00:58:42 | Dessimat0r | i tried installing opie-remove |
| 00:58:46 | Dessimat0r | to see what it did |
| 00:58:47 | ToyKeeper | I've made near-zero progress with it in the last 3-4 months. |
| 00:58:49 | Dessimat0r | ... |
| 00:58:50 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 00:59:27 | ToyKeeper | Got the MMC to work (had a bad card), got music-playing to work, wireless networking... and that's about it. |
| 00:59:54 | Dessimat0r | thats it? |
| 00:59:56 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 01:00:02 | Dessimat0r | no packages will install? |
| 01:00:35 | ToyKeeper | Oh, er, I do nasty stuff to the Z. |
| 01:00:43 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 01:00:52 | Dessimat0r | at least you haven't dropped it yet |
| 01:00:55 | Dessimat0r | or sat on it |
| 01:00:56 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 01:01:02 | ToyKeeper | Not physically nasty stuff. |
| 01:01:08 | Dessimat0r | I kinda had a plam m100 |
| 01:01:15 | Dessimat0r | how it has a black mess on the screen |
| 01:01:18 | ToyKeeper | I just keep doing stuff like installing packages from fam-unstable over the OZ ones. |
| 01:01:19 | Dessimat0r | constantly |
| 01:01:25 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 01:02:08 | ToyKeeper | It's intentional, but neither distro has all the packages I need and their dependencies are nowhere near compatible. |
| 01:02:27 | Dessimat0r | I think i might have used the busybox from the familar feed too ;) |
| 01:03:05 | ToyKeeper | I hate busybox's deps in particular. |
| 01:03:53 | Dessimat0r | yup |
| 01:04:20 | ToyKeeper | I manually select which binaries it provides... and I'm willing to deal with conflicts myself instead of letting ipkg try to do it. |
| 01:05:33 | cerezu | does anyone know if the "Lexar Media Compact Flash USB Reader (Recertified) |
| 01:05:35 | ToyKeeper | I have busybox problems on the ipaq too, but at least I can trick ipkg by modifying the deps in its database. |
| 01:05:37 | cerezu | works or not? |
| 01:06:05 | cerezu | that is does anyone know if the "Lexar Media Compact Flash USB Reader" also writes as well? |
| 01:06:19 | badalex | anyone get that mac port to the zaurus working??? |
| 01:06:51 | ToyKeeper | cerezu: I don't know, but you could probably buy one from a store with a good return policy in case it doesn't work... |
| 01:06:58 | ljp | is booting up his badass audio box |
| 01:07:28 | ToyKeeper | It's definitely time for some microwavable veggie-corndogs. |
| 01:07:33 | badalex | lol |
| 01:07:53 | badalex | is that a no?? no one has gotten the mac port to the z working? |
| 01:07:53 | ljp | ordered papajohns |
| 01:08:04 | ljp | mac port? |
| 01:08:22 | badalex | ljp: yeah checed zsi lately |
| 01:08:55 | badalex | well i mean emulaoter |
| 01:09:05 | badalex | *emulator not port |
| 01:09:06 | badalex | lol |
| 01:09:20 | badalex | did i say port?.... |
| 01:09:46 | ljp | ahhhh |
| 01:10:52 | Dessimat0r | http://bcook.cs.gasou.edu/eclass/gamepage.htm <- makes you wonder why ppl make games in javascript |
| 01:10:55 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 01:11:15 | badalex | hrm so i guess not... but... i meant mac emulator not port.. |
| 01:25:06 | Bones3D | hmm |
| 01:28:14 | Bones3D | Anyone know of a feed that carries the x11 .ipk file on it? I've been trying to install it manually, downloading it from various mirrors using both a web browser and ftp client and ftping it to the zaurus... every attempt to install fails with an "unexpected end of file" error. :-P |
| 01:29:38 | | well, killefiz is the guy running the zsi (zaurus software index) at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ you can email him: mailto:zaurus@killefiz.de |
| 01:29:38 | hardwire | ibot killefiz |
| 01:29:43 | hardwire | go there |
| 01:29:47 | hardwire | :) |
| 01:29:49 | ToyKeeper | Uh. fam-unstable has x11, but it won't work properly. |
| 01:30:05 | hardwire | yes but how else can we find bug / feature requests |
| 01:30:10 | hardwire | bags To |
| 01:30:12 | hardwire | ykeeper |
| 01:30:13 | hardwire | heh |
| 01:30:20 | hardwire | why are their two of you ? |
| 01:31:30 | ToyKeeper | Because I'm sitting on your carriage return? |
| 01:32:25 | hardwire | thinks about that |
| 01:32:26 | Bones3D | hmm, yeah... I know about killfilez, thats how I got to the mirrors at sourceforge. Obviously attempting to download the ipk from them isn't the solution. :-/ |
| 01:32:35 | hardwire | I guess |
| 01:32:36 | hardwire | they work for me |
| 01:32:40 | hardwire | do yuo have a goat handy/ |
| 01:32:42 | hardwire | ? |
| 01:32:51 | Bones3D | a goat? |
| 01:33:00 | hardwire | yea |
| 01:33:04 | hardwire | and a sharp knife? |
| 01:33:06 | hardwire | an altar boy |
| 01:33:10 | hardwire | a voodoo holy man |
| 01:33:14 | hardwire | aaand.. a tellitubby |
| 01:33:27 | Bones3D | meh ;-P |
| 01:34:28 | Bones3D | ok, new question... has anyone here actually managed to successfully install x11 themselves? ;-) |
| 01:34:49 | hardwire | yes |
| 01:35:04 | hardwire | do you have a peice of paper and a pen? |
| 01:35:12 | hardwire | write down that ingredients list I just gave you |
| 01:35:38 | hardwire | I have it working |
| 01:35:46 | hardwire | with everything and then some |
| 01:35:48 | ljp | where is that pizza guy!!?! |
| 01:35:49 | hardwire | but it has bugs |
| 01:35:57 | hardwire | like no suspend/resume blah that works |
| 01:36:15 | ljp | have you tried the X11 package at the sourceforge zaurus thing? |
| 01:36:31 | hardwire | they all basically have the same bugs |
| 01:36:59 | ljp | oh |
| 01:37:01 | ToyKeeper | The sf x11 package is pretty... old. And has a really strange filesystem layout. |
| 01:37:08 | hardwire | yessir |
| 01:37:12 | hardwire | its sharp happy |
| 01:37:26 | ljp | well, I was just wondering if that one worked |
| 01:37:27 | hardwire | instead sharp needs to use jffs2 so that package interoperability can be done |
| 01:37:31 | hardwire | then again they don't support OZ |
| 01:37:33 | hardwire | so.. oh well :) |
| 01:37:37 | Bones3D | yeah... thats where I got the ipk from... unfortunately, somehow every single time, regardless of the method of download, the ipk will not install because of an "unexpected end of file" |
| 01:37:56 | hardwire | Bones3D does it have a file size :) |
| 01:38:45 | Bones3D | yeah 1.5MB |
| 01:39:30 | hardwire | :) |
| 01:39:31 | Bones3D | the odd thing is, files like icewm.ipk from the same mirrors are fine |
| 01:39:43 | hardwire | maybe that one file is just brokien |
| 01:39:45 | hardwire | heh |
| 01:39:56 | hardwire | I don't know of any mirrors |
| 01:39:59 | hardwire | try other SF mirrors |
| 01:40:04 | Bones3D | on every mirror, across multiple releases? |
| 01:40:09 | ToyKeeper | Bones3D: I'd recommend a different x11 package... Just grab a few pieces from the sf x11-zaurus one, and use a more standard x11 package for the rest. |
| 01:40:18 | hardwire | heh |
| 01:40:33 | Bones3D | hmm |
| 01:41:48 | Bones3D | well, considering that zauruszone's messageboard isn't flooded with questions about the "unexpected end of file" thing in the x11 threads, I'm expecting its somehow specific to me. |
| 01:42:55 | ToyKeeper | Probably. |
| 01:43:10 | ToyKeeper | I'm just glad I'm no longer the only one who wants X on Z. :) |
| 01:43:18 | Bones3D | I'm just not sure how that is... and why it only affects that one file |
| 01:43:21 | hardwire | you were never the only one :) |
| 01:43:43 | hardwire | I have been trying to get it working for a long ass time.. decided to help build OZ in the meantime |
| 01:44:21 | ToyKeeper | Yeah, I'm just lazy. Easily distractable. |
| 01:44:40 | ToyKeeper | I look at the Z, think about X, and decide I should work instead. |
| 01:44:53 | hardwire | Y? |
| 01:44:58 | ToyKeeper | So of course I go straight to IRC or check my mail. :) |
| 01:45:41 | ToyKeeper | Y on the Z would be sick. ... kinda nice, actually. But. ... no. |
| 01:45:44 | Bones3D | the only constant I can figure right now is that the data is somehow getting clipped from the file on ftping to the zaurus itself. |
| 01:46:24 | Bones3D | I've been using the ftp upload to <zaurus IP>:4242 thing |
| 01:46:39 | hardwire | no.. that was a simple question.. haha y? |
| 01:46:48 | hardwire | I AM SO DARN WITTY! |
| 01:50:19 | ToyKeeper | Bones3D: try scp? |
| 01:50:35 | Bones3D | I'm not familiar with scp. |
| 01:50:36 | ToyKeeper | Bones3D: or even wget the file straight to the Z from SF. |
| 01:51:16 | Bones3D | wget... that could work. |
| 01:55:57 | Bones3D | hmm... guess we'll find out in a sec. ;-) |
| 02:02:47 | Bones3D | ok... wget seems to work. I guess other methods just aren't reliable. ;-) |
| 02:06:28 | hardwire | pizza |
| 02:06:29 | hardwire | pizza |
| 02:06:29 | hardwire | pizza |
| 02:06:30 | hardwire | pizza |
| 02:11:17 | Dessimat0r | its at times like these where Krogoth isnt being talked to constantly that he can get to work on OZ ;) |
| 02:11:39 | Dessimat0r | oh, wrong channel |
| 02:11:40 | Dessimat0r | ;) |
| 02:11:44 | paq | heh |
| 02:11:53 | [DrEvil] | I am going to have some work for him soon |
| 02:12:01 | paq | btw, is the oz bootloader planned for this release? |
| 02:14:42 | ljp- | OZ blob? scary thought |
| 02:16:03 | hardwire | Krogoth likes Kroger peanuts |
| 02:17:19 | ToyKeeper | It would be kinda nice to put the kernel in the root jffs2.. save some flash space by reclaiming the kernel partition. |
| 02:17:36 | hardwire | that would be.. attractive |
| 02:18:16 | hardwire | I suppose you "could" get an old 2.2.x kernel to mount a very small patr of that partition |
| 02:18:18 | hardwire | as an initrd |
| 02:18:33 | hardwire | then put a lilo prompt in there.. just to confuse everybody |
| 02:18:55 | hardwire | I forgot how to bootstrap a different kernel |
| 02:19:50 | ljp- | get some leather straps... and wrap it around the kernel... done! |
| 02:20:12 | hardwire | don't forget to tie it in a pretty bow |
| 02:20:19 | hardwire | that uh.. made no sense |
| 02:22:17 | ToyKeeper | Uh, copy code from the CRL bootloader to boot from jffs2. |
| 02:22:39 | hardwire | that would be sexy |
| 02:22:42 | ToyKeeper | Better yet, copy the flash-from-CF code from the Z bootloader into the CRL bootloader, and use that. |
| 02:23:02 | hardwire | the angel is not open source :( |
| 02:23:06 | hardwire | I wish it were :( |
| 02:23:34 | ToyKeeper | Well, the CRL one can already access CF and perform flashing, so it shouldn't be too hard to add. |
| 02:23:42 | hardwire | and I don't know how dynamic the flash memory is on the Z.. and what is actually hard coded or not |
| 02:24:03 | hardwire | ToyKeeper: its the.. none of us have a JTAG and programmer thing.. that I think keeps it from being easy |
| 02:24:09 | ToyKeeper | It's a 16MB flash rom which can be partitioned however you like, AFAICT. |
| 02:24:28 | hardwire | hmm |
| 02:24:33 | hardwire | anyhoot |
| 02:24:41 | hardwire | time to convince ron he needs to buy me a steak |
| 02:24:42 | hardwire | bbl |
| 02:24:59 | ToyKeeper | You should be able to flash over the first partition while running linux, and then repartition once booted into the new bootloader. |
| 02:26:12 | ToyKeeper | Not that I'm willing to brick my Z to find out. |
| 02:26:44 | Dessimat0r | can you imagine a house made out of Zauruses? That is my nightmare. |
| 02:27:23 | ToyKeeper | The Z is pretty much impossible to brick (via software) unless you screw with its bootloader. |
| 02:28:23 | ljp- | or thow it out an 8 story window |
| 02:28:57 | ToyKeeper | If you can write software which will make the Z propel itself out a window, I want a copy. |
| 02:29:48 | ljp- | just write a really annoying, noise making, non stoppable app |
| 02:34:02 | NeoTron | another day is over |
| 02:34:10 | NeoTron | just one more day to go |
| 02:37:24 | ljp- | till...? |
| 02:38:44 | NeoTron | my wife comes back home |
| 02:38:47 | NeoTron | 3 down, 1 to go |
| 02:39:02 | DaJoker | out of clean laundry are ya? |
| 02:39:03 | DaJoker | ;) |
| 02:39:49 | hcker2000 | hey any one here use a wireless lan card with there zaurus? |
| 02:40:03 | DaJoker | yup |
| 02:40:17 | hcker2000 | ok well i need some help seting mine up think u can help me out? |
| 02:40:25 | DaJoker | doubt it.. |
| 02:40:29 | DaJoker | I just plug mine in and go |
| 02:40:46 | hcker2000 | well i tryed the web browser and it didnt work |
| 02:41:47 | hcker2000 | what wlan card do u use |
| 02:42:00 | DaJoker | linksys WCF11 |
| 02:42:21 | hcker2000 | thats what i got too. im useing a wap11 as the access point |
| 02:43:04 | Dessimat0r | put the Z next to your ear |
| 02:43:13 | Dessimat0r | can you hear bleepings inside? |
| 02:43:43 | hcker2000 | as strange as that sound no i canot here any |
| 02:44:05 | Dessimat0r | okay... try playing an mp3 on it ;) |
| 02:44:17 | hcker2000 | lol |
| 02:44:32 | Dessimat0r | it bleeps inside while you do it |
| 02:44:34 | Dessimat0r | its weird |
| 02:44:34 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 02:44:41 | hcker2000 | ok ill try it |
| 02:45:18 | hcker2000 | man u must have a crazy z because mine dont do it |
| 02:45:23 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 02:45:25 | Dessimat0r | perhaps |
| 02:45:43 | hcker2000 | so dose any one got a link to a site about seting up the wlan |
| 02:45:53 | | i think howto is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ or see xcompile for cross compiler setup |
| 02:45:53 | DaJoker | ibot howto |
| 02:46:00 | Dessimat0r | if you install openzaurus |
| 02:46:06 | Dessimat0r | wlan setting up is easy as crap ;) |
| 02:46:22 | hcker2000 | lol and how do u install openzaurus? |
| 02:46:31 | | oz faq is http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ or http://unc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 02:46:32 | DaJoker | ibot oz faq |
| 02:46:35 | Dessimat0r | easily...? follow the guide |
| 02:46:36 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 02:46:36 | NeoTron | clean laundry is not the problem (I can do laundry) |
| 02:46:46 | NeoTron | the 16 month old twins on the other hand. :P |
| 02:47:00 | DaJoker | NeoTron: yeah, I can see that might be a problem :) |
| 02:47:07 | hcker2000 | lol but do u need a flash memory card or any thing? |
| 02:47:20 | NeoTron | I can handle them but it's taxing |
| 02:48:00 | Dessimat0r | yeah, you need a compactflash |
| 02:48:15 | Dessimat0r | i cant believe you dont have one ;) |
| 02:49:10 | Dessimat0r | compactflash is ridiculously cheap |
| 02:49:25 | Dessimat0r | for small quantities |
| 02:49:41 | Dessimat0r | you could probably get 32mb for about £20? |
| 02:49:45 | Dessimat0r | about $40 |
| 02:49:50 | DaJoker | cheaper |
| 02:49:54 | Dessimat0r | yeah |
| 02:49:57 | DaJoker | can get 64m for around 30 now |
| 02:51:00 | hcker2000 | ok and i set my tcpip setings up and i set my essid to the same as the access points is there any thing else i need to set? |
| 02:51:24 | DaJoker | shouldn't be |
| 02:51:36 | DaJoker | http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&catalog=68&manufactory=1077&DEPA=1&sortby=14&order=1 |
| 02:51:39 | DaJoker | cheap CF |
| 02:51:45 | hobbs | kvim is nifty. |
| 02:51:47 | hobbs | NewEgg is the man. |
| 02:51:54 | DaJoker | yep |
| 02:52:00 | DaJoker | and free shipping on those |
| 02:52:03 | hobbs | I got a nice 20GB laptop drive from them... and then it (and the laptop) was stolen a few weeks later. |
| 02:52:06 | hcker2000 | ok and i got 802.11 ad-hoc set to channel 1 is that right |
| 02:52:26 | hobbs | hcker2000: it is if that's what you use. |
| 02:52:36 | Dessimat0r | hcker2000, do you want to listen to mp3 or ogg on your zaurus? ;) |
| 02:52:42 | Dessimat0r | CF is the only way to go |
| 02:53:01 | hcker2000 | well im useing a linksys wap11 as the access point so am i useind 802.11 ad-hoc? |
| 02:53:02 | Dessimat0r | apart from the more expensive SD |
| 02:53:04 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 02:53:14 | Dessimat0r | MCC is slower but cheaper |
| 02:53:15 | hobbs | hcker2000: no. |
| 02:53:16 | hcker2000 | lol yea im going to be geting a SD card eventualy |
| 02:53:26 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 02:53:30 | hcker2000 | ok hobbs so i set it to Infastructure then ? |
| 02:53:35 | hobbs | hcker2000: yeah. |
| 02:53:39 | hcker2000 | ok thanks |
| 02:53:41 | Dessimat0r | oh yeah, you have a wireless lan CF thingy ;) |
| 02:54:00 | hobbs | yeah, I think I'm going to have to get MMC for the same reason. |
| 02:54:17 | Dessimat0r | bloody hell, they should make tiny ones to go into the sd slot ;) |
| 02:54:18 | DaJoker | bah.. SD isn't that much more expensive.. |
| 02:54:19 | hobbs | I don't have CF wlan _yet_, but I know I want it. And I wouldn't want to have to swap out three quarters of my storage just to get the network. :) |
| 02:54:21 | hcker2000 | ok and the wlan still dosent work :( |
| 02:54:34 | ToyKeeper | MMC may be too slow to play songs without skipping... |
| 02:54:41 | DaJoker | mmc is unreliable in the Z.. or has been for me. |
| 02:54:43 | ToyKeeper | Just FYI. |
| 02:54:46 | hobbs | ToyKeeper: really? |
| 02:54:50 | DaJoker | SD is more stable |
| 02:55:04 | ToyKeeper | My first MMC card was broken, but I got a replacement which works well. |
| 02:55:12 | ToyKeeper | But MMC is *very* slow. At least for writes. |
| 02:55:26 | ToyKeeper | SD doesn't work without a closed-source kernel module. |
| 02:55:26 | Dessimat0r | MMC is made for devices that cannot read from MMC quickly |
| 02:55:30 | Dessimat0r | they make them low cost |
| 02:55:39 | Dessimat0r | and high latency and low bandwidth |
| 02:55:46 | hobbs | kinda stupid that they would call it "multimedia", though. |
| 02:55:51 | Dessimat0r | due to the type of interface and data cells they have |
| 02:55:55 | ToyKeeper | I can't play music from MMC without skipping, but it may be something specific to madplay. |
| 02:56:05 | hcker2000 | ok so what do i got set wrong? and is there any way to see if the wlan card can see the wap11? |
| 02:56:15 | ToyKeeper | (madplay might play, then try to read, then play.. but having 2 threads would potentially fix that problem) |
| 02:56:20 | Dessimat0r | well... most devices read it all into memory first |
| 02:56:30 | Dessimat0r | but this is not how a proper pc should function |
| 02:56:39 | hobbs | hcker2000: did you set anything for desired SSID, or leave it empty? |
| 02:56:52 | hcker2000 | i set it to what my wap11 is set to |
| 02:57:00 | hcker2000 | and what should the brodcast ip be? |
| 02:57:15 | ToyKeeper | I can copy songs from MMC to ramdisk pretty quick, so I know the MMC transfer rate is far faster than mp3 bitrates... |
| 02:57:24 | ToyKeeper | I think the problem is how madplay reads data. |
| 02:57:55 | hobbs | hcker2000: I don't even think that ends up getting used in the scripts, but just take the bits that are masked off in the netmask and make them all 1. :) |
| 02:58:45 | hcker2000 | ok so what 1.1.1.1 |
| 02:58:48 | hobbs | the SD module is closed, obviously, but you can copy it and use it in OZ no problem, right? |
| 02:59:00 | scanline | hobbs: OZ comes with the SD module |
| 02:59:06 | hobbs | teaches hcker2000 what a bit is |
| 02:59:10 | scanline | hobbs: that's in the FAQ |
| 02:59:20 | hobbs | scanline: I just read it. I guess I suck. |
| 03:00:21 | Dessimat0r | why is the SD module closed? |
| 03:00:24 | hcker2000 | do i need to do a hard reboot to get the wlan working? |
| 03:00:25 | Dessimat0r | is some company a fool? |
| 03:01:13 | hobbs | Dessimat0r: because SD contains DRM crap that's supposedly still good. |
| 03:01:18 | Bones3D | *yawn* well, x11 runs with icewm ok... now if I can get basilisk II up and running I'll be happy. ;-) |
| 03:01:59 | Dessimat0r | pff... DRM |
| 03:02:00 | hcker2000 | what is the proxim stuff? |
| 03:02:55 | Dessimat0r | why the hell did sharp feel the need to put an SD slot on it? other media could have been used ;) |
| 03:04:53 | Bones3D | well, thanks for the help guys |
| 03:09:05 | hcker2000 | why dosent this work |
| 03:20:54 | warmi | re |
| 03:23:01 | Cloudchaser | hi warmi |
| 03:43:57 | cmerlo | hi folks |
| 03:44:38 | cmerlo | haven't seen anything written anywhere about this yet: |
| 03:44:52 | cmerlo | i tried rebooting the z today, and it hung, so i had to do a hard reset |
| 03:45:05 | cmerlo | now, i can't get my d-link 802.11b card working anymore |
| 03:45:07 | cmerlo | any guesses? |
| 03:46:05 | cmerlo | ping? |
| 03:46:10 | hobbs | cmerlo: I'm here |
| 03:46:15 | cmerlo | ah. hi. |
| 03:46:35 | hobbs | I've had reboots lock up on me before. As for the wlan card... dunno, obviously something's set up differently this time through, but I wouldn't really know what. :) |
| 03:46:44 | cmerlo | right :) |
| 03:46:52 | hobbs | you forget a lot of little things that seem like nothing but aren't. |
| 03:46:59 | cmerlo | it's weird, because when i first got it, i plugged it in, and it just worked |
| 03:47:05 | cmerlo | (iirc :) |
| 03:47:39 | cmerlo | my other problem is with a sandisk sd card, but it seems like everyone has that problem |
| 03:47:55 | hobbs | hrm. yeah, I didn't have a problem with wlan when I played with james's... sorry, can't help you. |
| 03:47:59 | cmerlo | and from what i'm reading, the rom upgrades cause as many problems as they're supposed to solve |
| 03:53:30 | hobbs | this I'll believe. |
| 03:53:44 | hobbs | I'm still using the ROM I bought it with. Until I can move to OZ. |
| 03:58:06 | rjoseph | has anyone gotten tkcPlayer (most recent version) to work under OZb3? |
| 04:06:18 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: ping |
| 04:26:59 | Speedy2 | The story about the rocket belt linked of Slashdot is pretty fascinating. |
| 04:27:35 | prpplague | Speedy2: evening |
| 04:27:40 | Speedy2 | Hey prpplague |
| 04:34:54 | Speedy2 | re |
| 04:38:46 | | sniper was last seen on #zaurus 7 hours, 21 minutes and 54 seconds ago, saying: chouimat: i want to go home [Fri Oct 11 15:16:52 2002] |
| 04:38:46 | br33zy | ibot seen sniper |
| 04:38:51 | | warmi was last seen on #handhelds.org 1 hours, 16 minutes and 35 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [Fri Oct 11 21:22:16 2002] |
| 04:38:51 | br33zy | ibot seen warmi |
| 04:38:58 | br33zy | uh huh |
| 04:39:04 | br33zy | oh.. |
| 04:39:08 | br33zy | nevermind, hes here.. |
| 04:39:08 | br33zy | ol |
| 04:39:09 | br33zy | lol |
| 04:39:17 | Speedy2 | slaps warmi |
| 04:39:50 | br33zy | ping warmi |
| 04:41:58 | Speedy2 | Ok |
| 04:42:00 | Speedy2 | I'm bored |
| 04:42:03 | Speedy2 | I think I'll go sleep. |
| 04:42:07 | br33zy | even better |
| 04:42:12 | br33zy | play the dumb games on your cell |
| 04:42:15 | jbardin | damnit ep 3 isnt coming out until 2005 |
| 04:42:18 | Speedy2 | <-- has no cell phone |
| 04:42:21 | Speedy2 | EP 3? |
| 04:42:23 | br33zy | oh.. |
| 04:42:23 | br33zy | ok |
| 04:42:26 | br33zy | on your zaurus |
| 04:42:31 | Speedy2 | I have no Zaurus. |
| 04:42:38 | br33zy | me either |
| 04:42:39 | br33zy | ok |
| 04:42:41 | br33zy | on your hand |
| 04:42:43 | jbardin | episode 3 |
| 04:42:47 | br33zy | (please tell me you have a hand) |
| 04:42:48 | Speedy2 | I can blink the LEDs on the keyboard |
| 04:42:55 | Speedy2 | But that gets kind of boring |
| 04:42:59 | Speedy2 | Not too many patterns you can manage |
| 04:43:04 | br33zy | yup |
| 04:43:07 | Speedy2 | jbardin: Why would you care? II sucked. |
| 04:43:11 | Speedy2 | I sucked too. |
| 04:43:11 | br33zy | how about ibot fun |
| 04:43:12 | br33zy | ? |
| 04:43:15 | | rumour has it fun is irrelevant |
| 04:43:15 | br33zy | ibot fun |
| 04:43:17 | jbardin | i liked 2 |
| 04:43:20 | | i heard so was there a distrbuted geneology app that runs on a web site that has access control and edit history that anyone would recommend? |
| 04:43:20 | br33zy | ibot so what |
| 04:43:21 | | no idea, speedy2 |
| 04:43:21 | Speedy2 | ibot: smoke dope? |
| 04:43:25 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples lifeless. |
| 04:43:25 | Speedy2 | ibot die |
| 04:43:28 | Speedy2 | heheheh |
| 04:43:29 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 04:43:36 | | br33zy: excuse me? |
| 04:43:36 | br33zy | ibot smoke |
| 04:43:36 | | Speedy2: i'm not following you... |
| 04:43:36 | Speedy2 | ibot live |
| 04:43:40 | | weed is good |
| 04:43:40 | br33zy | ibot weed |
| 04:43:42 | br33zy | lol |
| 04:43:43 | | yum. |
| 04:43:43 | prpplague | ibot: eat dirt |
| 04:43:44 | | Speedy2: i'm not following you... |
| 04:43:44 | Speedy2 | ibot Well you died, live now |
| 04:43:45 | | br33zy: sorry... |
| 04:43:45 | br33zy | ibot cocaine |
| 04:43:48 | | well, drugs is bad |
| 04:43:48 | Speedy2 | ibot drugs |
| 04:43:48 | | br33zy: huh? |
| 04:43:48 | br33zy | ibot coc |
| 04:43:52 | | Speedy2: huh? |
| 04:43:52 | Speedy2 | ibot dope |
| 04:43:53 | | Stubborn upload/download program. URL: http://www.pike-community.org/code/show_single.html?id=2 |
| 04:43:53 | br33zy | ibot pcp |
| 04:43:56 | | hmmm... weed is good |
| 04:43:56 | Speedy2 | ibot weed |
| 04:43:59 | | hmmm... weed is good |
| 04:43:59 | Speedy2 | ibot weed |
| 04:44:03 | | Speedy2: huh? |
| 04:44:03 | Speedy2 | ibot deew |
| 04:44:06 | | Speedy2: huh? |
| 04:44:06 | Speedy2 | ibot dw |
| 04:44:10 | | Speedy2: what? |
| 04:44:10 | Speedy2 | ibot mountain dew |
| 04:44:13 | | Speedy2: sorry... |
| 04:44:13 | Speedy2 | ibot coke |
| 04:44:16 | | ibot pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout |
| 04:44:16 | prpplague | ibot: guinness |
| 04:44:17 | | Sorry, Speedy2, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 04:44:17 | Speedy2 | ibot shut up |
| 04:44:24 | | Speedy2: excuse me? |
| 04:44:24 | Speedy2 | ibot open your mouth |
| 04:44:28 | | Speedy2: interrupt configuration error |
| 04:44:28 | Speedy2 | ibot excuse me? |
| 04:44:36 | | Speedy2: huh? |
| 04:44:36 | Speedy2 | ibot interrupt configuration error |
| 04:44:40 | | speedy2: i haven't a clue |
| 04:44:40 | Speedy2 | ibot huh? |
| 04:44:42 | | br33zy: excuse me? |
| 04:44:42 | br33zy | ibot delete |
| 04:44:47 | | Speedy2: excuse me? |
| 04:44:47 | Speedy2 | ibot i haven't a clue |
| 04:44:52 | | i think Speedy2 is obsessed with HP calculators |
| 04:44:52 | br33zy | ibot Speedy2 |
| 04:44:56 | | Speedy2: Groundskeepers stole the root password |
| 04:44:56 | Speedy2 | ibot excuse me? |
| 04:45:04 | | br33zy: wish i knew |
| 04:45:04 | br33zy | ibot who |
| 04:45:06 | | Speedy2: sorry... |
| 04:45:06 | Speedy2 | ibot Groundskeepers stole the root password |
| 04:45:10 | | Speedy2: sorry... |
| 04:45:10 | Speedy2 | ibot sorry... |
| 04:45:14 | | Speedy2: i'm not following you... |
| 04:45:14 | Speedy2 | ibot sorry... |
| 04:45:20 | | Speedy2: excuse me? |
| 04:45:20 | Speedy2 | ibot i'm not following you... |
| 04:45:23 | Speedy2 | Ok this is boring |
| 04:45:25 | | i guess br33zy is a programmer that does lots of stuff with PDAs and different languages. |
| 04:45:25 | br33zy | ibot br33zy |
| 04:45:31 | | I'm sorry, kergoth just exploded. Go away. |
| 04:45:31 | Speedy2 | ibot kergoth |
| 04:45:35 | | rumour has it warmi is here |
| 04:45:35 | Speedy2 | ibot warmi |
| 04:45:39 | | neotron is http://david.hedbor.org or http://eongames.com/ or mailto:david@eongames.com or mailto:david@hedbor.org |
| 04:45:39 | Speedy2 | ibot neotron |
| 04:45:45 | | jasonnj is probably quoted as saying: <JasonNJ> angry: I mainly sit on noidd's ass and listen to idiots on IRC |
| 04:45:45 | Speedy2 | ibot jasonnj |
| 04:45:50 | | warmi is here |
| 04:45:50 | br33zy | ibot warmi |
| 04:45:50 | | sniper is Sharp's extremely dedicated Sr. Janitor |
| 04:45:50 | Speedy2 | ibot sniper |
| 04:45:59 | | Speedy2: excuse me? |
| 04:45:59 | Speedy2 | ibot Ibot-San |
| 04:46:04 | | br33zy: what? |
| 04:46:04 | br33zy | ibot psg1 |
| 04:46:10 | Speedy2 | Ok, this isn't very fun |
| 04:46:20 | br33zy | uh uh |
| 04:46:22 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 04:46:58 | Speedy2 | What OS you in br33zy ? |
| 04:48:02 | Speedy2 | If you are in Win2000, you can amuse yourself by hitting one of the shift keys three times really quickly, then continue to to tap the shift keys. |
| 04:48:20 | | Speedy2 is, like, obsessed with HP calculators |
| 04:48:20 | cdm | ibot Speedy2 |
| 04:48:27 | Speedy2 | Hi vfm |
| 04:48:28 | Speedy2 | cdm |
| 04:48:40 | cdm | vf, |
| 04:48:41 | br33zy | Speedy2, linux |
| 04:48:42 | br33zy | debian |
| 04:48:51 | | Offers copying, mastering and manipulation of CD tracks. URL: http://cdm.squidge.nu |
| 04:48:51 | br33zy | ibot cdm |
| 04:48:52 | Speedy2 | Left hand was not on the right row/col |
| 04:49:01 | Speedy2 | What's up cdm? |
| 04:49:06 | Speedy2 | <-- is in CT with nothing to do. |
| 04:49:10 | cdm | ah. |
| 04:49:12 | cdm | why CT? |
| 04:49:15 | cdm | family stuff? |
| 04:49:17 | Speedy2 | Brother is moving from here. |
| 04:49:28 | br33zy | Speedy2, what state are you in? |
| 04:49:31 | Speedy2 | Family stuff will happen in another country (you can figure it out) |
| 04:49:36 | cdm | Tomorrow I get up to play 40K or FB or something. |
| 04:49:36 | Speedy2 | br33zy: Connecticut |
| 04:49:39 | br33zy | cool |
| 04:49:41 | Speedy2 | 40K ?? |
| 04:49:48 | Speedy2 | FB? |
| 04:49:52 | cdm | WarHammer 40K, WarHammer Fantasy Battle |
| 04:49:55 | Speedy2 | What are these weird and strange games? |
| 04:50:00 | Speedy2 | I've never heard of them. |
| 04:50:04 | cdm | http://www.gameworkshop.com |
| 04:50:07 | cdm | whopps |
| 04:50:09 | cdm | http://www.gamesworkshop.com |
| 04:50:25 | Speedy2 | checks out |
| 04:51:13 | Speedy2 | Looks like weird stuff |
| 04:51:22 | cdm | weird? |
| 04:51:24 | | cdm was last seen on #zaurus 2 seconds ago, saying: weird? [Fri Oct 11 22:51:22 2002] |
| 04:51:24 | br33zy | ibot seen cdm |
| 04:51:24 | cdm | it's fun. |
| 04:51:28 | Speedy2 | Perhaps that which only a true Canadian could understand |
| 04:51:31 | | Speedy2 was last seen on #zaurus 3 seconds ago, saying: Perhaps that which only a true Canadian could understand [Fri Oct 11 22:51:28 2002] |
| 04:51:31 | br33zy | ibot seen Speedy2 |
| 04:51:36 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 04:51:42 | | br33zy was last seen on #zaurus 11 seconds ago, saying: ibot seen Speedy2 [Fri Oct 11 22:51:31 2002] |
| 04:51:42 | Speedy2 | ibot seen br33zy |
| 04:51:42 | | I haven't seen 'why', br33zy |
| 04:51:42 | br33zy | ibot seen why |
| 04:51:46 | cdm | I am painting my army now for 40K. |
| 04:51:49 | Speedy2 | We just need cdm to chip in and the circle will be complete |
| 04:51:58 | Speedy2 | cdm: Is this like physical painting of something? |
| 04:52:01 | cdm | Speedy2: it is from the UK, but huge in America. |
| 04:52:15 | cdm | Speedy2: you get a physical army. |
| 04:52:17 | Speedy2 | North America perhaps. |
| 04:52:23 | cdm | Speedy2: USA |
| 04:52:29 | cdm | much bigger in the USA then Canada. |
| 04:52:31 | Speedy2 | heh, I know, I'm j/k around |
| 04:52:44 | Speedy2 | This is like little army men type stuff, right? |
| 04:53:01 | jbardin | man you can spend forever at imdb.com |
| 04:53:16 | Speedy2 | jbardin: True!! I used to waste time like that when I was in school and didn't want to do any work |
| 04:53:20 | cdm | Speedy2: yeah, a man-sized figure is little over 2inches. |
| 04:53:24 | Speedy2 | (then I used to also watch TV) |
| 04:53:39 | br33zy | moo |
| 04:53:42 | br33zy | they should have moo men |
| 04:53:43 | Speedy2 | cdm: I gotcha. I never could get into that stuff. For me, it had to have blinking lights or something. |
| 04:53:44 | br33zy | or cow men |
| 04:53:53 | Speedy2 | Moving parts or what not. |
| 04:53:58 | cdm | Speedy2: one of my many hobbies. |
| 04:54:06 | Speedy2 | Ah. |
| 04:54:16 | jbardin | Speedy2 i resemble that |
| 04:54:21 | Speedy2 | jbardin: Heh. |
| 04:54:32 | Speedy2 | cdm: Work is treating you OK? |
| 04:54:35 | br33zy | br33zy_brb |
| 04:54:40 | Speedy2 | Not getting the better of you> |
| 04:54:40 | Speedy2 | ? |
| 04:54:44 | cdm | work is great. |
| 04:54:48 | Speedy2 | (How's the Momentics stuff ?) |
| 04:54:56 | Speedy2 | Momentics / Eclipse. |
| 04:54:58 | cdm | wonderful, been focusing on the eclipse stuff under QNX. |
| 04:55:07 | Speedy2 | Ahh, coolio! |
| 04:56:45 | Speedy2 | Eclipse stuff is coming out of beta? They've integrated the C stuff that you dudes donated? |
| 05:00:15 | Speedy2 | re |
| 05:01:57 | Cloudchaser_ | hiya |
| 05:02:39 | Speedy2 | What's up? |
| 05:02:56 | Cloudchaser_ | not too much here |
| 05:03:03 | Cloudchaser_ | hi BZFlag |
| 05:03:11 | Speedy2 | Yo Tim. |
| 05:03:24 | BZFlag | heya |
| 05:04:11 | Speedy2 | What's up? |
| 05:05:13 | NeoTron | Speedy2: yes? |
| 05:05:29 | Speedy2 | Uhh, I was asking BZFlag what's up |
| 05:05:33 | Speedy2 | I didn't ping / msg you. |
| 05:06:19 | NeoTron | <Speedy2> ibot neotron |
| 05:06:19 | NeoTron | <ibot> neotron is http://david.hedbor.org or http://eongames.com/ or mailto:david@eongames.com or mailto:david@hedbor.org |
| 05:06:33 | Speedy2 | Yeah, I was just seeing what ibot said for different people. |
| 05:06:33 | NeoTron | was that some other Speedy2 then? :) |
| 05:08:04 | Speedy2 | Ok, well there is really nothing to do, I think I'm going to goto bed. |
| 05:08:51 | Speedy2 | Night all. |
| 05:47:50 | scanline | mmm.. freetype2 is cool |
| 05:50:34 | cdm | esp. if you build it with the hinting. |
| 05:50:43 | scanline | nods |
| 05:55:56 | hash | dang i'm sleepy |
| 05:59:28 | jbardin | has anyone had mozilla delete there bookmarks file? |
| 05:59:30 | jbardin | in linux? |
| 06:08:17 | anggarda | Why is it that I can't find qt desktop at trolltech ftp? |
| 06:10:20 | badl | hey |
| 06:19:46 | anggarda | anyone has qtopia desktop rpm that they could dcc to me? |
| 06:20:31 | badl | anggarda: why not grab it off the web? |
| 06:20:43 | anggarda | told you, the ftp took the file off. |
| 06:21:02 | badl | you after the 1.6beta? or 1.5? |
| 06:21:04 | anggarda | sorry...you must have miss the message. |
| 06:21:12 | badl | yep |
| 06:21:19 | anggarda | badl, which one should I have? |
| 06:21:36 | badl | much the same ;) |
| 06:21:58 | anggarda | Could you spare me the 1.6beta? |
| 06:22:16 | anggarda | I wonder why trolltech has the files removed? |
| 06:22:28 | badl | don't have 1.6 sorry |
| 06:23:07 | anggarda | 1.5? |
| 06:24:08 | badl | i ahev 1.5 but its 7 meg and i have no bandwidth at the moment |
| 06:24:40 | anggarda | wow....7mb. |
| 06:24:55 | anggarda | Is it on the sharp cdrom? |
| 06:25:07 | badl | linux version is not |
| 06:25:15 | badl | i guess thats what you are after? |
| 06:25:44 | anggarda | yah...is it some licensing issue? |
| 06:26:38 | badl | anggarda: it just appears as though the trolltech ftp server is donw |
| 06:27:10 | anggarda | nope, i actually got into it. Its empty. |
| 06:27:29 | badl | ahh |
| 06:28:20 | badl | anggarda: down from here http://humphrey.applitec.com/zaurus/zstuff/ |
| 06:29:18 | anggarda | where did you get that from? I did a google/linux for alternatives sites. All pointed me to trolltech's ftp. |
| 06:29:32 | badl | anggarda: google is my friend ;) |
| 06:29:57 | anggarda | I thought it was mine too.. |
| 06:30:01 | badl | heh |
| 06:31:18 | anggarda | hmmm....there was no need to patch my kernel afterall. |
| 06:31:35 | badl | the the usbd net driver? |
| 06:31:41 | badl | is that the .... |
| 06:32:07 | br33zy | later |
| 06:32:13 | br33zy | l_a_t_e_r |
| 06:32:17 | anggarda | badl, yah. |
| 06:32:17 | badl | ? |
| 06:32:24 | br33zy | endl |
| 06:32:25 | br33zy | badl |
| 06:32:25 | br33zy | lol |
| 06:32:48 | badl | cout << "br33zy" << endl; |
| 06:33:09 | PascalS | I am trying to add a default gateway for when I press the sync button to connect through my Linux box to the internet |
| 06:33:27 | badl | PascalS: what is not working about that? |
| 06:33:41 | PascalS | Changing /etc/hotplug/usbdnet doesn't always do the trick. |
| 06:34:17 | badl | PascalS: i must admit i had random performance with that too... work like 50% of the time |
| 06:34:30 | PascalS | I've added a line just after the ifconfig line that adds the route, but it only works half the time. |
| 06:34:34 | badl | are you on redhat boxen? |
| 06:34:40 | PascalS | badl: yes |
| 06:34:54 | PascalS | But not with RH kernel |
| 06:35:13 | badl | PascalS: compiled your own with usbdnet patch? |
| 06:35:15 | PascalS | When I add the route, all is well. So its a problem on the Z side |
| 06:35:27 | PascalS | badl: yes, I compiled it myself. |
| 06:35:33 | badl | PascalS: try hitting the sync button on the base |
| 06:37:53 | anggarda | brb. |
| 06:40:38 | PascalS | sorry, phone call.. |
| 06:41:18 | PascalS | When I hit the button more than once, it does not come up. |
| 06:41:55 | PascalS | Anothing thing that happens is that the Z crashes if I insert it more than ten times between suspending it. |
| 06:42:28 | PascalS | I'm gonna post this on ZZ. |
| 06:42:31 | PascalS | brb |
| 06:43:12 | badl | i couldn't figure out the reason for the random performance on my redhat box... it worked fine on debain though |
| 06:45:11 | PascalS | I have not yet looked at the innards of the usbdnet driver on the host side(RH), maybe that is what gives the troubles. I think it is weird though that the script does not get executed each and every time. |
| 06:50:12 | PascalS | Hmmm. The script simply does not get called :( |
| 06:59:51 | PascalS | bye |
| 08:01:18 | NeoTron | is away: szzznoze |
| 08:04:07 | ellen_feiss | lol |
| 08:05:14 | ellen_feiss | he |
| 08:24:49 | noiddz | wheeeee |
| 08:27:09 | noiddz | hmmm, pure joy! |
| 08:27:21 | noiddz | morning |
| 08:59:34 | smee|h | too hung over to be experiencing pure joy |
| 09:13:07 | smee|h | rainy |
| 09:13:56 | smee|h | where's that new oz release we were promised :) |
| 09:17:12 | smee|h | has mental block...what's the perl for repeating the current iteration of a loop? |
| 09:20:00 | noiddz | sorry, can u ask your perl q again |
| 09:20:36 | smee|h | twas 'the perl for repeating the current iteration of a loop?' |
| 09:20:44 | smee|h | but the answer is 'redo' |
| 09:20:47 | smee|h | :) |
| 09:21:35 | noiddz | easy peasy |
| 09:21:59 | noiddz | must admit that i've never used it |
| 09:22:05 | smee|h | yeah...early + hangover |
| 09:22:19 | smee|h | no - I think it's my forst time too, and I'm doubting the wisdom of it |
| 09:22:27 | smee|h | s/forst/first/ |
| 09:23:48 | smee|h | hm, not so early really |
| 09:33:06 | noiddz | just cos larry lets you do it... |
| 09:33:18 | noiddz | dpoesnt mean its a good idea |
| 09:33:25 | smee|h | larry is generous that way |
| 09:35:13 | noiddz | indeed |
| 09:39:24 | smee|h | I really like the idea of gprs bluetooth mobile and Z with bluetooth...wonder how much that'd cost |
| 09:39:48 | noiddz | no isea |
| 09:40:04 | noiddz | i know very little abouit bluetooth |
| 09:40:10 | smee|h | ditto |
| 09:40:16 | smee|h | havent heard of anyone doing it |
| 09:42:27 | | bluetooth is, like, at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Is%20anyone%20working%20on%20Bluetooth%20for%203870 or at http://dnsv6.iihe.ac.be/iPAQGPRSv6/BtConfig.html .. and you might wanna take a look at http://bluez.sourceforge.net/contrib/HOWTO-Mobile-Phone |
| 09:42:27 | smee|h | ibot, bluetooth |
| 09:42:33 | noiddz | then be the first! |
| 09:45:04 | smee|h | bluetooth sd + wireless cf could make for good warchalking |
| 09:45:35 | badl | negative |
| 09:45:39 | smee|h | er, but without the chalk |
| 09:46:31 | smee|h | badl: ? |
| 09:46:47 | badl | hello smee|h |
| 09:47:17 | smee|h | hi badl - what's negative? |
| 09:47:32 | badl | return to castle wolfenstien ;) |
| 09:48:15 | smee|h | hrm :) |
| 09:48:55 | badl | what fine things are you up to smee|h? |
| 09:50:36 | smee|h | coding a hangover cure in perl |
| 09:51:08 | smee|h | (if only) |
| 09:51:21 | badl | hehe |
| 09:51:27 | badl | a cure for the hangover is to drink another beer ;) |
| 09:51:46 | smee|h | that's a fearful idea :) |
| 09:51:58 | badl | fearful? |
| 09:52:34 | smee|h | the idea of drinking beer atm makes me feel...funny |
| 09:53:14 | badl | ... then why not a vodak and lemonade? |
| 09:53:21 | smee|h | hehe |
| 09:53:46 | smee|h | vodak sounds like an interesting liquor |
| 09:53:58 | noiddz | absinth |
| 09:54:25 | badl | noiddz: thats to weak (70%) try meths ;) |
| 09:54:28 | noiddz | :-) |
| 09:54:47 | smee|h | erk |
| 09:54:50 | noiddz | bah.. wimp. try desiel |
| 09:55:28 | badl | noiddz: the other night i went out with a friend and we had 4 absinth among other things, i wanted to do six but my mate started throwing up :) |
| 09:56:07 | noiddz | I have the remainder of a bottle here |
| 09:56:27 | badl | why not take a shot now -- just for kicks ;) |
| 09:56:41 | noiddz | shots are bad! |
| 09:56:49 | smee|h | yes, yes they are |
| 09:56:53 | noiddz | i'd suffocate on the fumes |
| 09:56:54 | badl | ? |
| 09:56:59 | badl | nah take it straight |
| 09:57:11 | noiddz | i do take it straight |
| 09:57:17 | badl | thats how we have them here! |
| 09:57:19 | noiddz | with caramalised sugar |
| 09:57:31 | badl | ahhh |
| 09:57:42 | noiddz | you know the ritual |
| 09:57:48 | noiddz | ? |
| 09:57:49 | badl | flaming lamborghini |
| 09:58:00 | badl | thats what we call that |
| 09:58:19 | noiddz | flaming lamborghini is something different here |
| 09:58:28 | smee|h | bows to such a frightening drink |
| 09:58:30 | badl | yeah? |
| 09:58:31 | noiddz | its a mix of 3 spirits |
| 09:58:58 | noiddz | i dont remeber what ... but i know an irc channel you can join to ask |
| 09:59:25 | noiddz | want server and channel name... i'm on it now and they are very experienced in such matters |
| 09:59:45 | badl | yep whats the details |
| 09:59:58 | noiddz | token.rhizomatic.net |
| 10:00:04 | noiddz | #london.pm |
| 10:00:17 | smee|h | hehe |
| 10:00:21 | noiddz | london perl moungers |
| 10:00:32 | noiddz | all we do is drink |
| 10:00:37 | noiddz | and hack perl |
| 10:00:42 | badl | hehe |
| 10:00:59 | scanline | mmm |
| 10:01:01 | scanline | perl |
| 10:01:15 | scanline | drinks some mountain dew and hacks C for now |
| 10:02:32 | badl | scanline: have you tried the coke vanilla? |
| 10:02:43 | scanline | badl: yep, I like it a lot |
| 10:03:05 | badl | scanline: how long has it been in your country? |
| 10:03:20 | scanline | I'm not sure.. it's a relatively new thing though |
| 10:03:32 | badl | yes |
| 10:04:09 | badl | scanline: what type of E are you hacking on? |
| 10:04:25 | scanline | E? |
| 10:04:36 | badl | ;) |
| 10:04:41 | badl | C |
| 10:04:44 | scanline | :) |
| 10:04:49 | scanline | working on picogui |
| 10:04:58 | scanline | making lots of changes to the font code right now |
| 10:05:31 | badl | ahh |
| 10:09:45 | badl | is away: I'm busy |
| 10:11:00 | noiddz | hmmm |
| 10:11:14 | badl | is back (gone 00:01:26) |
| 10:11:54 | smee|h | 1:26 of pure business |
| 10:12:27 | noiddz | whats that? |
| 10:12:31 | badl_ | yeah just made $400 ;) |
| 10:12:39 | smee|h | :) |
| 10:12:41 | noiddz | nice |
| 10:13:09 | badl | just switching boxen |
| 10:13:33 | smee|h | thing is late last night I had some coctail and the bar woman seemed to get very stressed |
| 10:13:42 | smee|h | and made it from pure alcohol |
| 10:13:47 | smee|h | by mistake |
| 10:13:51 | noiddz | hehehe |
| 10:14:07 | badl | hehe good stuff |
| 10:14:15 | smee|h | seemed so at the time |
| 10:16:18 | badl | is away: I'm busy |
| 10:16:40 | smee|h | (pint of) |
| 10:17:46 | noiddz | this guy sanded his Z down |
| 10:17:46 | noiddz | all the silver gone |
| 10:17:47 | noiddz | you think that would void the warranty :-) |
| 10:19:16 | noidd | any of you guys use your Z for email yet? |
| 10:20:39 | noiddz | hmm |
| 10:20:50 | scanline | sure, ssh and mutt |
| 10:21:02 | noiddz | either OZ is several orders of magnitude better at power management |
| 10:21:35 | noiddz | or, someone snuck in a small nucler power station in the back |
| 10:22:34 | scanline | there was a fusion cell in the initrd |
| 10:27:39 | noiddz | hehe |
| 10:31:12 | noiddz | now, if only we could have multiple framebuffer devives |
| 10:31:28 | noiddz | and we could just switch between them |
| 10:31:57 | noiddz | oh, evilthought |
| 10:49:54 | djax | Hi. |
| 10:50:40 | djax | I have a problem. I cannot synch my Zaurus with Qtopia Desktop. I have not updated my Zaurus. Some times before it went fine. |
| 10:51:03 | djax | When I open Qtopia Desktop the Zaurus freezes# |
| 10:51:38 | djax | When im closing QT Desktop after a while the Zaurus runs fine. |
| 10:51:51 | djax | QDir::readDirEntries: Cannot read the directory: /home/djax/.palmtopcenter/Documents |
| 10:52:18 | djax | Error: Network operation failed. Code=13 |
| 10:54:23 | djax | hmm |
| 11:17:25 | djax | ... |
| 12:07:01 | vilmund | anyone know whether or not the Ambicom EZJack V.90 56K CompactFlash Modem Card works fine with the Z? |
| 12:08:50 | badl | vilmund: it works fine |
| 12:09:26 | badl | vilmund: I read a post on zauruszone and the user stated they plugged it in and it ran no probs |
| 12:11:45 | vilmund | cool thanks |
| 12:12:05 | vilmund | wonder if I can walk in and pick one up at compusa or circuit city |
| 12:17:17 | badl | why not .. take your Z along and plug it in! |
| 12:22:36 | vilmund | : ) |
| 13:22:32 | Twiun | noiddz: pingponging? |
| 13:25:47 | noiddz | yes |
| 13:25:50 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 13:26:24 | noiddz | with opie-irc... if you press space when cursor is not in the bottom it closes the window |
| 13:27:00 | noiddz | heyas cloudchaser |
| 13:27:07 | smee|h | Z + 5 gig bluetooth hard disk may be fun |
| 13:27:18 | noiddz | hehe |
| 13:27:41 | noiddz | my Z currently has a 40 Gig data partition |
| 13:27:59 | noiddz | nfs mounted over wireless :-) |
| 13:28:14 | noiddz | lets see ya do that with yer palm :-) |
| 13:28:29 | scanline | my Z has a 453 gig partition :) |
| 13:30:56 | kolla | bluetooth disk? slowmess |
| 13:31:41 | noiddz | cool |
| 13:31:53 | noiddz | the z rocks |
| 13:31:57 | noiddz | plainly |
| 13:32:04 | smee|h | might be good for portable mp3/avi jukebox |
| 13:33:17 | smee|h | 721kbps |
| 13:33:57 | kolla | smee|h: over bt? |
| 13:34:04 | kolla | thats not bad |
| 13:35:00 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 13:35:02 | smee|h | I think that's the theoretical maximum |
| 13:35:06 | smee|h | reads more |
| 13:37:17 | smee|h | heh Japanese->english via babelfish is painful |
| 13:37:17 | Twiun | what's the range? |
| 13:38:10 | smee|h | good question |
| 13:43:32 | Twiun | Why, oh why do I keep typing "make isntall" instead of "make install"??? |
| 13:43:40 | Twiun | freudian type? |
| 13:43:54 | Twiun | scratches his head |
| 13:44:42 | smee|h | heh, lately I seem entirely unable to type 'grep', always typing 'gep' |
| 13:44:52 | TheMasterMind1 | alias 'make isntall'='make install' |
| 13:45:01 | TheMasterMind1 | alias gep=grep |
| 13:45:02 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 13:45:08 | Twiun | lol |
| 13:45:10 | ljp- | heh good one |
| 13:45:25 | ljp- | I keep typing maek |
| 13:45:26 | Twiun | one day I'll start adding the apostrophe in there too... "make isn't all" |
| 13:45:42 | smee|h | I used to have gerp aliassed to grep :) |
| 13:46:28 | TheMasterMind1 | grr |
| 13:46:30 | TheMasterMind1 | smacks opie |
| 13:47:47 | ljp- | makes opie smack back |
| 13:58:21 | smee|h | £108 for a bt cf card |
| 13:58:24 | smee|h | 10m range |
| 13:59:01 | paq | is there tcp over bt? |
| 13:59:30 | kolla | I have a bt card that I ue with Z |
| 13:59:38 | | i guess bluetooth is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Is%20anyone%20working%20on%20Bluetooth%20for%203870 or at http://dnsv6.iihe.ac.be/iPAQGPRSv6/BtConfig.html .. and you might wanna take a look at http://bluez.sourceforge.net/contrib/HOWTO-Mobile-Phone |
| 13:59:38 | smee|h | ibot bluetooth |
| 13:59:42 | kolla | run ppp against my phone with it |
| 14:00:05 | kolla | using affix |
| 14:00:10 | kolla | not bluez |
| 14:00:12 | paq | ya, i'd imagine it's mostly use for cellphone connectivity... |
| 14:00:17 | smee|h | kolla - how many devices are possible simultaneously? |
| 14:00:26 | kolla | dont remember |
| 14:00:40 | smee|h | but >1 |
| 14:01:02 | kolla | ofcourse |
| 14:01:16 | kolla | no use with just one device runniung bt on its own :) |
| 14:01:35 | smee|h | fair point :) |
| 14:01:37 | smee|h | 7 iirc |
| 15:29:25 | smee|h | http://www.zend.com/manual/function.leak.php, er...huh? |
| 15:46:18 | | sniper was last seen on #zaurus 18 hours, 29 minutes and 26 seconds ago, saying: chouimat: i want to go home [Fri Oct 11 15:16:52 2002] |
| 15:46:18 | br33zy | ibot seen sniper |
| 15:46:26 | | warmi was last seen on #handhelds.org 12 hours, 24 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [Fri Oct 11 21:22:16 2002] |
| 15:46:26 | br33zy | ibot seen warmi |
| 15:46:32 | br33zy | to me... |
| 15:46:33 | br33zy | heh |
| 15:46:34 | br33zy | brb |
| 16:03:50 | Speedy2 | re |
| 16:11:19 | NeTTwerk | g'day |
| 16:11:27 | NeTTwerk | is there a way to beam ALL contacts from a zaurus? |
| 16:14:18 | Midway_ | someone cool here with an opera ipk? ^^ |
| 16:18:02 | plastik | hi |
| 16:18:04 | Midway_ | or someone with the sharp or crow rom who can make one for me? |
| 16:18:50 | ljp_work | cant you make one? |
| 16:20:50 | Midway_ | that's my prob i have the oz rom and konqueror isn't working... |
| 16:21:10 | | it has been said that optimized is new fully optmized opie/qte oz release at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/ or update from the feed (tested from 2.9.5.5) http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/unofficial/unstable/optimized/feed/ or or onyx4's at http://onyx4.dhs.org/feed/oz/ or get konq/e at http://131.152.105.154/feeds/ipaq/unstable/konqueror-snapshot-full_0.9.1-20020912.2_arm.ipk |
| 16:21:10 | kergoth | ibot optimized |
| 16:21:14 | kergoth | use that konq ipk |
| 16:21:19 | kergoth | if you're on a recent OZ release |
| 16:23:40 | mark | kergoth: that ip doesn't reply |
| 16:24:10 | kergoth | mark: yeah, the opie server died, forgot |
| 16:24:22 | mark | kergoth: availalbe ne wehre else? |
| 16:24:47 | kergoth | hm not sure |
| 16:24:51 | kergoth | ask in #opie |
| 16:26:44 | | Dessimat0r: what? |
| 16:26:44 | Dessimat0r | ibot prerelease |
| 16:26:49 | | oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021011_1801/ |
| 16:26:49 | Dessimat0r | ibot oz prerelease |
| 16:27:27 | ljp_work | might try http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq/ |
| 16:28:57 | Midway_ | ah looks good |
| 16:30:31 | Twiun | I really should make my faq site more Zaurus-friendly... |
| 16:30:50 | Twiun | just had a look at it through opera on there... hmmm |
| 16:31:04 | Twiun | those rounded borders waste a little too much space |
| 16:39:22 | Midway_ | oh yes it works *yiipee* |
| 16:46:38 | Midway_ | but.. |
| 16:47:39 | Midway_ | where's the gif-plugin |
| 16:52:34 | tux_mike | http://weblog.burningbird.net/archives/000581.php |
| 16:58:56 | Twiun | lol |
| 16:58:59 | Twiun | poor XML |
| 17:02:11 | tux_mike | bah. XML deserves it |
| 17:02:43 | tux_mike | bbiaf |
| 17:07:01 | NeTTwerk | argh. |
| 17:07:10 | NeTTwerk | the stock zaurus apps suck ass. |
| 17:09:18 | kergoth | NeTTwerk: yes, they do |
| 17:10:35 | cdm | hey, it's San! |
| 17:10:58 | cdm | NeTTwerk: what are you doing these days? Not still with VA are you? |
| 17:16:54 | NeTTwerk | cdm yeah i am... |
| 17:17:03 | NeTTwerk | who are you? :) |
| 17:17:18 | NeTTwerk | i'm trying to sync my contacts somehow with my nokia phone.. |
| 17:22:00 | tux_mike | gah |
| 17:22:04 | cdm | NeTTwerk: we talked once or twice online. BUt I know some people you used to work with at Rebel/Corel. |
| 17:22:07 | tux_mike | why does my mom have to trash her machine |
| 17:23:20 | NeTTwerk | oh cool. |
| 17:23:42 | cdm | NeTTwerk: plus I had 2 "corel" netwinders. |
| 17:23:48 | NeTTwerk | cool man |
| 17:23:51 | NeTTwerk | :) |
| 17:23:54 | cdm | so I saw your nick-rom everytime I turned them on. ;) |
| 17:24:01 | NeTTwerk | i've been taking trips down memorylane myself |
| 17:24:03 | NeTTwerk | mahaha |
| 17:24:07 | NeTTwerk | yeah NeTTrom was dope.. |
| 17:24:14 | NeTTwerk | man. |
| 17:24:22 | NeTTwerk | the girl in these Dell commercials is hot.. |
| 17:24:24 | cdm | I work for QNX. ;) |
| 17:24:29 | NeTTwerk | ahhh coolness. |
| 17:24:36 | cdm | you still in the USA? |
| 17:24:38 | NeTTwerk | do you know uh.. Pat... hmm |
| 17:24:41 | NeTTwerk | cant remember his last name.. |
| 17:24:44 | NeTTwerk | he was one of the photon guys |
| 17:24:49 | NeTTwerk | yeah i'm still in the bay area |
| 17:25:25 | hash|lunch | does the oz feed have sdl libs? |
| 17:25:43 | kergoth | hash|lunch: no, get them elsewhere though |
| 17:25:55 | hash|lunch | ok |
| 17:26:00 | hash|lunch | btw, is the feed useable yet? |
| 17:26:18 | kergoth | hash|lunch: not recommended. I would recommend flashing to a prerelease, then upgrading packages incrementally as i fix things |
| 17:26:22 | | i think oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021011_1801/ |
| 17:26:22 | kergoth | ibot oz prerelease |
| 17:26:33 | kergoth | actually, i'll throw up a new one in a few minutes |
| 17:26:34 | hash|lunch | ok |
| 17:26:39 | hash|lunch | i'll wait then |
| 17:27:51 | hash|lunch | so 40-24 would mean 40 megs of cache, 24 megs of ramdisk? |
| 17:28:00 | kergoth | s/cache/heap/; |
| 17:28:25 | hash|lunch | would 12 megs be enough for a ramdisk? |
| 17:28:30 | hash|lunch | i never store anything there anyway |
| 17:28:53 | kergoth | hash|lunch: 'enough'? |
| 17:29:05 | hash|lunch | enough for whatever temp stuff the system needs |
| 17:29:10 | kergoth | hash|lunch: you could run a system fine without one at all, if you install your apps to cf or sd, or are satisfied with the 16mb |
| 17:29:11 | TheMasterMind1 | yea 12 should be plenty if you don't actually use it |
| 17:29:25 | kergoth | hash|lunch: 'temp' stuff is in /tmp, a ramfs partition. compeltely seperate from the persistant ramdisk. |
| 17:29:33 | hash|lunch | wow |
| 17:29:33 | hash|lunch | cool |
| 17:29:40 | kergoth | hash|lunch: if you dont use it, feel free to have 64mb of heap |
| 17:29:42 | kergoth | hash|lunch: ;) |
| 17:29:56 | hash|lunch | is performance better? |
| 17:30:04 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:30:21 | hash|lunch | opie performance? |
| 17:30:24 | kergoth | if you need that much ram, and can use it, it will benefit you. otherwise, no. |
| 17:30:33 | hash|lunch | i see |
| 17:30:37 | kergoth | its like your desktop. adding another 256mb wont do a fucking thing unless you utilize it |
| 17:30:45 | hash|lunch | i see |
| 17:30:58 | hash|lunch | the Z has 64 mb, and my ipaq has 32, and the Z feels more snappy |
| 17:31:10 | hash|lunch | so i was just wondering |
| 17:31:24 | hash|lunch | actually, ipaq has a 16 mb heap |
| 17:31:25 | kergoth | hash|lunch: verxion reported that it was faster as well |
| 17:31:32 | kergoth | hash|lunch: than his ipaq. we never figured out why |
| 17:32:06 | hash|lunch | is the Z's kernel preemptive? |
| 17:32:32 | kergoth | no. |
| 17:32:36 | kergoth | its an old as dirt 2.4.6 kernel |
| 17:32:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:33:12 | hash|lunch | dang |
| 17:33:19 | hash|lunch | wonder why |
| 17:33:40 | hash|lunch | sharp hardware conspiracy |
| 17:33:46 | ljp_work | postemptive |
| 17:34:33 | hash|lunch | kergoth: and the pre-release is going to be semi-ok? |
| 17:34:40 | hash|lunch | at least so i dont have to do links and stuff manually? |
| 17:34:53 | kergoth | hash|lunch: you shouldnt have to do any linking manually -now- |
| 17:34:55 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:34:59 | hash|lunch | cool |
| 17:35:14 | hash|lunch | well, i'll be wating for the next pre-release |
| 17:35:39 | hash|lunch | you did 3 pre-relesase in one day? |
| 17:35:44 | hash|lunch | yeserday? |
| 17:36:00 | kergoth | hash|lunch: yes, numerous releasses to iron out the final kinks before the release |
| 17:36:39 | hash|lunch | oh |
| 17:37:01 | kergoth | hash|lunch: minor cleanups and fixes.. removing bootup messages that confuse the user, that sort of deal |
| 17:37:16 | hash|lunch | i see |
| 17:39:05 | hash|lunch | qtopiagnuboy seems to be fast and all |
| 17:39:12 | hash|lunch | but it draws directly to the fb |
| 17:39:24 | hash|lunch | and once you loose window focus, you cant get it back |
| 17:39:47 | hash|lunch | would like to help on that |
| 17:39:59 | hash|lunch | GAMEBOY KICKS ASS |
| 17:40:29 | hash|lunch | needs to grow up |
| 17:40:34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:42:04 | ljp_work | heh I read hash|lunch needs to throwup |
| 17:42:10 | hash|lunch | haha |
| 17:42:25 | hash|lunch | did anyone play those games from that company that made stratigicassult |
| 17:42:25 | hash|lunch | ? |
| 17:42:38 | hash|lunch | they use sdl and are freekishly fast |
| 17:43:26 | kergoth | hash|lunch: Neo's games? i bought a few. still need to get IF |
| 17:43:34 | hash|lunch | i was supprised how fast the 206 arm processor was |
| 17:47:49 | Dessimat0r | does Opie draw directly to the framebuffer? |
| 17:48:10 | hash|lunch | yup |
| 17:48:13 | hash|lunch | qtemb does it |
| 17:48:16 | Dessimat0r | ah ;) |
| 17:49:05 | ljp_work | actually, opie first draws to a quasar in sector g6-5b, and then the fb |
| 17:49:18 | kergoth | ljp_work: shh dont tell them! |
| 17:49:25 | Dessimat0r | rofl |
| 17:50:19 | ljp_work | uh oh.. |
| 17:50:57 | Dessimat0r | brb |
| 17:54:01 | jbardin | anyone know hwto fix a kinked neck? |
| 17:54:36 | kergoth | I learned when i was training how to crack my neck, generally releases the tension, though it gets me some weird looks when i just lean my head and they hear a crack |
| 17:54:39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:54:50 | jbardin | hmmm |
| 17:55:32 | jbardin | man this hurts like a muthre fuckewr |
| 17:55:36 | ljp_work | chiropractor can do wonders when you cant do it yourself |
| 17:55:48 | kergoth | ljp_work: true that |
| 17:58:48 | jbardin | hmm the only chiropractors in tampa are ones that advertize massage therepy in quotes |
| 18:34:17 | angry | anybody have any idea when xandros will release |
| 19:07:53 | Mantus | anyone know if sharp has released more info on the new zaurus? |
| 19:08:17 | kergoth | you mean the japanese only unit? |
| 19:09:18 | Mantus | kergoth: the one with the 640x480 screen |
| 19:09:25 | Mantus | and clamshell design |
| 19:09:44 | kergoth | yeah, the japanese only unit |
| 19:09:48 | Mantus | blah |
| 19:09:50 | kergoth | i dont think they've released any new specs on it |
| 19:10:28 | Mantus | i hope it comes over here |
| 19:10:51 | NeoTron | japanese only would point to the fact that it won't |
| 19:10:53 | NeoTron | but that's just me |
| 19:11:10 | Mantus | NeoTron: maybe it means that its currently japan only |
| 19:11:19 | kergoth | well, sniper and the others made it sound like it wont be, and that other new units are coming to the US |
| 19:11:23 | kergoth | different market, here. |
| 19:11:30 | NeoTron | just like the A300 I'm pretty sure it's Japan only |
| 19:13:40 | Mantus | a300 not very good anyway |
| 19:14:53 | NeoTron | the A300 rocks |
| 19:14:57 | NeoTron | it's an awesome PDA |
| 19:15:03 | NeoTron | very small |
| 19:15:37 | Mantus | no cf |
| 19:15:45 | NeoTron | you can get a sleeve for it |
| 19:15:49 | NeoTron | and it's still an awesome PDA |
| 19:15:49 | Mantus | no better than a clie |
| 19:16:06 | NeoTron | it's running Linux, it is faster, it's better |
| 19:16:07 | kergoth | what does whether its better than a clie have to do with whether or not its an awesome pda? |
| 19:16:16 | kergoth | competitive comparison does not define a thing |
| 19:16:17 | gurok | Hi, anyone know where I can get a version of the Qtopia Desktop for Linux that works ? |
| 19:16:18 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:17:37 | mike_ | and at least it's not a sony product |
| 19:18:42 | Mantus | whats wrong with sony? |
| 19:25:56 | Mantus | kergoth: hows 2.9.7 coming> |
| 19:33:49 | Speedy2 | re |
| 19:38:57 | Mantus | anyone know how much power the strongarm and xscale procs use? |
| 19:41:26 | oGMo | Mantus: not a whole not, but otoh much more than is necessary |
| 19:41:50 | oGMo | at 200MHz+, no fpu, they aren't bad |
| 19:42:13 | oGMo | i thought they had a DSP, too, but i dunno the details there |
| 19:42:57 | Mantus | im just wondering how many watts it draws at full speed |
| 19:43:04 | Speedy2 | ...? |
| 19:43:27 | oGMo | Mantus: there was a post on the list about that |
| 19:43:41 | oGMo | Mantus: the light dwarfs the cpu in terms of power |
| 19:43:52 | Speedy2 | What you be talking 'bout ? |
| 19:43:55 | Mantus | oGMo: i know |
| 19:44:17 | Mantus | Speedy2: xscale/strongarm power consumption |
| 19:44:31 | Speedy2 | Ok |
| 19:44:35 | Speedy2 | What would you like to know? |
| 19:44:52 | oGMo | oh |
| 19:44:54 | Speedy2 | StrongARM ~400mW @ 200MHz |
| 19:45:06 | oGMo | i missed the "use" part on your original question, heh |
| 19:45:29 | Mantus | Speedy2: how about xscale @ 400MHz |
| 19:46:19 | Speedy2 | I haven't had the chance to profile that one yet |
| 19:46:33 | Speedy2 | More or less depending on the cache issues |
| 19:46:48 | Speedy2 | Cache is what burns the most amount of powe |
| 19:46:50 | Speedy2 | Power |
| 19:47:06 | Mantus | really |
| 19:47:16 | Speedy2 | Yes |
| 19:47:16 | Mantus | i thought it was the central clock |
| 19:47:37 | Speedy2 | It depends on which generation processor |
| 19:47:51 | Speedy2 | Both SA and XScale use a lot of gated clocks |
| 19:47:59 | Speedy2 | So they cut down on the clock tree power consumption |
| 19:48:34 | Mantus | i was having fantasies of a pda with a crusoe but i think power would be an issue |
| 19:49:00 | Speedy2 | That would suck |
| 19:49:08 | Speedy2 | Crusoe is not all that power efficient |
| 19:49:40 | Mantus | Speedy2: dont they claim 1watt |
| 19:50:04 | Speedy2 | Yeah, but it's more. |
| 19:50:19 | Mantus | ioc |
| 19:50:36 | Mantus | does the xscale have a fpu? |
| 19:51:46 | Speedy2 | No, XScale has no FPU |
| 19:51:51 | Speedy2 | PXA250 specifically. |
| 19:52:08 | oGMo | Speedy2: does the SA have a DSP? |
| 19:52:12 | Speedy2 | No. |
| 19:52:15 | oGMo | damn |
| 19:52:27 | oGMo | i recall back in the day people saying it did |
| 19:52:29 | Speedy2 | The TI OMAP is a DSP+ARM9 IIRC |
| 19:52:31 | Speedy2 | It doesn't. |
| 19:52:41 | kergoth | OMAP, thats in the new arm palms, right |
| 19:52:45 | Speedy2 | Yes. |
| 19:52:48 | Speedy2 | Hi kergoth! |
| 19:52:49 | oGMo | too bad, it'd be kinda neat |
| 19:53:02 | kergoth | Seems fairly nifty, was looking at the docs on it |
| 19:53:04 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 19:53:07 | TheMasterMind1 | yo |
| 19:53:11 | Speedy2 | re |
| 19:53:15 | oGMo | kergoth, TheMasterMind1. |
| 19:53:23 | kergoth | hey ogmo |
| 19:53:25 | kergoth | hrm |
| 19:54:12 | oGMo | brb |
| 20:01:42 | scanline | is away: short nap |
| 20:04:43 | TheMasterMind1 | sup |
| 20:25:24 | sig | anyone looking to buy a zaurus? |
| 20:25:30 | hardwire | what model? |
| 20:25:31 | sig | I have a package deal |
| 20:25:34 | sig | sl-5500 |
| 20:25:38 | hardwire | well |
| 20:25:39 | hardwire | shoot |
| 20:26:24 | sig | got the boxes for pretec nic, sl-5500 with latest rom with box, 60 leather case, extra stylus, and a 128MB SD card |
| 20:26:45 | hardwire | pants |
| 20:27:26 | sig | anyone want to buy? |
| 20:27:36 | hardwire | wow |
| 20:27:42 | hardwire | that package deal of yours needs to come with a price |
| 20:28:02 | sig | what do you think I should sell it for? |
| 20:28:14 | hardwire | hmm |
| 20:28:20 | hardwire | I will give you $200 for the whole thing :) |
| 20:28:47 | sig | your high |
| 20:28:55 | hardwire | high on price. or crack? |
| 20:28:58 | sig | kicks hardwire in the face for being a fuckin idiot |
| 20:29:11 | hardwire | hey now |
| 20:29:28 | kergoth | kicks sig in the face cause he's bored |
| 20:29:28 | sig | heh |
| 20:29:29 | Speedy2 | sig: Why are you selling? |
| 20:29:31 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 20:29:38 | ljp- | I'll give you $200.01 |
| 20:29:41 | sig | Speedy2: got other prospects to look at |
| 20:29:46 | Speedy2 | uhh? |
| 20:30:03 | hardwire | sig.. I think you need to compile a price |
| 20:30:11 | sig | I will on ebay |
| 20:30:32 | sig | I even have a warranty (bestbuy warranty) |
| 20:30:33 | hardwire | is no idiot.. when he sells things he does it for money.. not chances to kick people in the face :) |
| 20:31:01 | Speedy2 | What other prospects? You giving up on Z? |
| 20:31:26 | sig | Speedy2: school payments |
| 20:31:43 | hardwire | are you studying KUNG FU? |
| 20:31:51 | hardwire | dances like a monkey |
| 20:32:13 | Speedy2 | Monkeys don't dance, they jump |
| 20:32:22 | hardwire | not when you get them high |
| 20:32:48 | hardwire | this is known as a comical loop.. well demonstrated by the cast of seinfeild |
| 20:33:36 | hardwire | maaaan.. I want some chicken in me |
| 20:34:22 | ljp- | thats sick |
| 20:34:43 | hardwire | no.. thats white meat |
| 20:34:46 | ljp- | a dancing monkey with a chicken stuck in it |
| 20:34:53 | kergoth | what an image |
| 20:37:02 | hardwire | runs off to the bank |
| 20:37:03 | hardwire | I hope |
| 20:50:24 | benmeyer | qtella.sf.net |
| 20:50:27 | benmeyer | p2p app for the z |
| 20:50:40 | kergoth | benmeyer: then altered the ui for a pda size device? |
| 20:51:07 | benmeyer | yup |
| 20:51:12 | kergoth | nice. |
| 20:51:13 | benmeyer | and striped out some kde stuff |
| 20:51:18 | kergoth | yea |
| 20:51:21 | kergoth | cool |
| 20:51:50 | kergoth | benmeyer: what do you think, is networksetup solid enough to be included with the next OZ release? |
| 20:51:54 | kergoth | benmeyer: we're in the testing phase for it now |
| 20:51:58 | | it has been said that oz prerelease is http://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/20021011_1801/ |
| 20:51:58 | kergoth | ibot oz prerelease |
| 20:52:35 | benmeyer | kergoth: it si solid, just depends on what "features" you want |
| 20:52:38 | benmeyer | it doesn't have ppp |
| 20:52:45 | benmeyer | doesn't have 802.11 monitoring |
| 20:52:55 | benmeyer | and doenn't let you configure usb unless it is plugged in |
| 20:53:15 | kergoth | well, netsetup didnt have usb configuration at all :) |
| 20:53:16 | benmeyer | kergoth: do you think it is stable? |
| 20:53:21 | benmeyer | found any bugs? |
| 20:53:26 | kergoth | I still havent gotten off my ass and played with it yet :) |
| 20:53:29 | kergoth | = slacker |
| 20:53:31 | benmeyer | ah, ok |
| 20:53:46 | kergoth | last time i tried, the .pro files had incorrect paths |
| 20:53:52 | kergoth | wonder if thats still the case |
| 20:53:54 | kergoth | hey Twiun |
| 20:54:04 | benmeyer | well once you guys to then we shale talk again about when it is stable :-D seriusly I plan on working on the ppp module later next week and the week after that |
| 20:54:10 | benmeyer | wlan should work |
| 20:54:12 | benmeyer | need a tester thoguh |
| 20:54:41 | kergoth | gotcha. |
| 20:54:48 | benmeyer | running sharps roms |
| 20:54:52 | benmeyer | for testing |
| 20:55:02 | benmeyer | had to give away my 5500 wich had oz on it |
| 20:55:21 | benmeyer | and my 5000 has sharp's rom on it |
| 21:05:09 | ljp- | what!? there's someone running sharp's rom? |
| 21:06:12 | kergoth | ljp-: i know, can you believe it? |
| 22:16:40 | Cam___ | hi anyone home? |
| 22:17:01 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 22:17:15 | kergoth | hey cam, how goes it |
| 22:17:40 | Cam___ | ok thanks :) |
| 22:18:02 | Cam___ | I'm struggling to find time to do hobby stuff, but apart from that.... how's Opie? |
| 22:18:31 | mickeyl | opie progresses like a championchip horse :) |
| 22:18:44 | kergoth | indeed it does. the opie folks are doing a great job |
| 22:20:11 | Cam___ | I wonder is anyone doing anything interesting for the Java contest? |
| 22:20:53 | Cam___ | does anyone even have anything in the Java tab other than the two demo apps? |
| 22:22:04 | Cam___ | either Java people are very secretive... or no-one bothered with it? |
| 22:22:45 | hobbs | I use Javanoid. But that lives in my games tab. :) |
| 22:23:33 | mickeyl | um... to be honest... i think java sucks as a language... and even if you love java... the Qt API is so much nicer than AWT or even Swing... |
| 22:23:57 | tharin | YO! I am finally on a wireless network with my z thanks to dhcpd |
| 22:24:16 | mickeyl | congratulations tharin. wlan is simply cool. |
| 22:24:37 | tharin | thanks buddy |
| 22:24:48 | hobbs | agreed. java is pretty icky. |
| 22:24:54 | hobbs | and wlan is _very_ cool. :) |
| 22:27:32 | hobbs | ever notice how channels on OPN are so rarely topiclocked? :) |
| 22:27:56 | kergoth | hobbs: most people dont like topic locking |
| 22:28:18 | hobbs | yeah, actually, I think it's a really convenient place to put stuff that needs to persist for a while. |
| 22:28:46 | kergoth | hobbs: agreed |
| 22:28:55 | noiddz | tee hee |
| 22:29:11 | kergoth | hey noidd |
| 22:30:34 | noiddz | heyas kergoth |
| 22:31:20 | noiddz | have i mentioned how much oz rocks in the last 10 mins? |
| 22:31:58 | hobbs | no, it's been a bit more than that. So feel free. |
| 22:32:13 | noiddz | oz rocks |
| 22:32:42 | noiddz | very happy today except... |
| 22:32:54 | ljp- | hmm oz.. or opie ?!? |
| 22:33:16 | noiddz | 2 annoying bugs.. but opie app bugs, not oz |
| 22:33:35 | TheMasterMind1 | oz rocks, opie sucks |
| 22:34:53 | ljp- | uh huh... |
| 22:35:00 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 22:36:06 | kergoth | smacks TheMasterMind1 with a 2x4 |
| 22:36:55 | ljp- | adds mitigating code in embeddedkonsole specific to themastermind |
| 22:37:05 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:37:13 | kergoth | cd / |
| 22:37:18 | kergoth | "No! you're themastermind. go away" |
| 22:37:21 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:37:24 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:37:35 | mickeyl | *fg* :) |
| 22:38:10 | TheMasterMind1 | heheh |
| 22:38:21 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll stay away from embeddedkonsole then |
| 22:38:28 | ljp- | alias [a-zA-Z] " rm -rf /" |
| 22:38:29 | TheMasterMind1 | time to load up picogui and tinyx :) |
| 22:41:28 | ljp- | you'll certainly find alot of apps written for picogui |
| 22:47:46 | TheMasterMind1 | shush you |
| 22:48:04 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm happy with matchbox and tinyx |
| 23:18:44 | zecke | hija TheMasterMind1 |
| 23:18:51 | zecke | just heard you got cvs access to opie? |
| 23:27:46 | treke|home | hehe. local vons has a public wireless network :) |
| 23:49:16 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 23:49:22 | TheMasterMind1 | checks email |