| 00:00:03 | kolla | imo |
| 00:00:07 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 00:00:13 | Harlekin | other apps could use it too |
| 00:00:18 | kolla | and I'm almost certain I did see some applet which did it |
| 00:00:33 | Harlekin | kolla: talk to darienm|away and erikd , they look for ideas what they could programm |
| 00:00:46 | erikd | hah |
| 00:00:51 | Harlekin | or what erikd could programm and darienm|away could advertise |
| 00:01:03 | erikd | op2 is sooo much faster than the default sharp player |
| 00:01:20 | Harlekin | erikd: but still buggy |
| 00:01:33 | Harlekin | erikd: and uses way to much mem |
| 00:01:35 | Harlekin | but i am on it |
| 00:01:43 | Harlekin | and need much more speed optimisations |
| 00:01:55 | Harlekin | the version you good has quite some debug stuff in |
| 00:01:57 | erikd | it's not showing my ogg files, either |
| 00:02:14 | Harlekin | erikd: thats a problem of the mime.types file |
| 00:02:16 | kolla | erikd: you need to fondle the mime types |
| 00:02:20 | erikd | oh |
| 00:02:23 | erikd | where's that at? |
| 00:02:31 | Harlekin | erikd: actually i thought i added it right |
| 00:02:32 | kergoth | erikd: /opt/QtPalmtop/etc |
| 00:02:35 | kolla | /opt/Qtopia/etc/mime.types |
| 00:02:37 | Harlekin | erikd: or if you just want to test it |
| 00:02:41 | erikd | thx |
| 00:02:46 | Harlekin | erikd: use the "Open file or url" dialog |
| 00:02:52 | erikd | i did |
| 00:02:53 | Harlekin | kolla: what did you add there? |
| 00:02:55 | kolla | I do have problems saving ogg playlists though.. |
| 00:02:57 | erikd | it doesn't show up in there |
| 00:03:00 | kolla | let's see |
| 00:03:10 | Harlekin | kolla: playlists -> ljp |
| 00:03:11 | Harlekin | -) |
| 00:03:23 | kolla | audio/ogg ogg |
| 00:03:59 | kolla | and in the mediaplyer.desktop .. |
| 00:03:59 | kolla | MimeType=audio/mpeg;audio/x-wav;audio/x-mpegurl;audio/ogg;video/x-ms-asf;video/qui |
| 00:04:04 | kolla | cktime;video/mpeg;video/x-msvideo;playlist/plain; |
| 00:04:04 | kolla | MimeTypeIcons=SoundPlayer;Sound;SoundPlayer;ogg;MPEGPlayer;MPEGPlayer;MPEGPlayer;M |
| 00:04:09 | kolla | PEGPlayer;opieplayer2/playlist2 |
| 00:04:25 | kolla | I got an ogg.png you can stuff in /opt/Qtopia/pics/ :) |
| 00:04:43 | Harlekin | kolla: can you send me that pic? |
| 00:04:44 | erikd | heh, ogg kills it :) |
| 00:04:59 | Harlekin | kolla: audio/ogg ogg |
| 00:05:11 | Harlekin | i have that entry in the mime.types |
| 00:05:15 | Harlekin | maybe old oz |
| 00:06:11 | kolla | Harlekin: sure.. hang on |
| 00:06:28 | Harlekin | but it should have the normal sound icon currently |
| 00:06:31 | Harlekin | kolla: whats your email? |
| 00:06:37 | kolla | kolla@nvg.org |
| 00:06:43 | kolla | or kolla@uninett.no |
| 00:06:55 | codemnky | party tomorrow at my house |
| 00:07:01 | Harlekin | kolla: oz? |
| 00:07:09 | Harlekin | erikd: ogg kills what? |
| 00:07:22 | kolla | Harlekin: oz yes |
| 00:07:48 | erikd | harlekin: op2 |
| 00:08:00 | Harlekin | erikd: hmm, works here |
| 00:08:02 | Harlekin | erikd: where did you install the codecs? |
| 00:08:10 | erikd | default |
| 00:08:13 | erikd | aka. i have no idea |
| 00:08:14 | erikd | :) |
| 00:08:17 | nadav | any sharp people around? |
| 00:08:32 | erikd | i just did: ipkg install opie-mediaplayer-codecs*.ipk |
| 00:08:36 | KhensU | nope. just dullards |
| 00:08:46 | codemnky | i'm sharp |
| 00:08:48 | codemnky | as a tack |
| 00:08:50 | erikd | i'm dumb |
| 00:08:51 | nadav | lol |
| 00:09:13 | kolla | Harlekin: it's really just a image I downloaded from the ogg homepge and converted to png |
| 00:09:22 | erikd | harlekin: works now, just had to reboot it |
| 00:09:23 | codemnky | most sharp people are square though not around |
| 00:09:28 | Harlekin | erikd: mem |
| 00:09:35 | mjn3 | kergoth: i picked up a small mmc today to test with. out of curiousity, i ran bonnie on the cf card and on the mmc card... ugh... are the mmc cards supposed to be that slow while still maxing out cpu utilization? |
| 00:09:55 | nadav | i dont really need them.. just wondering if they happen to know the guy who's fixing my Z |
| 00:10:05 | Harlekin | kolla: you have mail |
| 00:10:13 | erikd | geh |
| 00:10:16 | erikd | it's dying again |
| 00:10:23 | Harlekin | erikd: 5000? |
| 00:10:27 | erikd | 5500 |
| 00:10:35 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 00:10:44 | Harlekin | that should have enough ram by now |
| 00:10:53 | Harlekin | i hat that 2.4.6 kernel |
| 00:10:53 | kergoth | mjn3: pretty sad, eh. I wonder if the ipaq open source mmc driver would be any better for cpu usage. |
| 00:11:08 | erikd | harlekin: i'm trying again |
| 00:12:28 | Harlekin | kergoth: its good enough that i can play a divx from it |
| 00:12:49 | kergoth | Harlekin: nice |
| 00:13:09 | TheMasterMind1 | http://world.honda.com/robot/ |
| 00:13:10 | TheMasterMind1 | check it out |
| 00:13:25 | erikd | harlekin: i tried playing the ogg and op2 dies, but i try playing the matrix reloaded trailer and it plays fine |
| 00:13:30 | mjn3 | perhaps i got a bad card... anybody else run any benchmarks? |
| 00:13:57 | kergoth | doesnt have a sd or mmc yet |
| 00:14:15 | Harlekin | erikd: thats really really strange |
| 00:14:22 | Harlekin | erikd: can you send me hte ogg file? |
| 00:14:49 | mark | is away: sleep |
| 00:14:59 | erikd | harlekin: yeah, hold |
| 00:15:00 | kolla | oh.. the other day I had some mp3 files that none of the opie players managed to play |
| 00:15:20 | erikd | it's oggenc 1.0 if that makes a difference |
| 00:15:22 | Harlekin | kolla: send to |
| 00:15:31 | Harlekin | erikd: op2 is ogg 1.0 |
| 00:15:36 | Harlekin | or better |
| 00:15:38 | Harlekin | vorbis 1.0 |
| 00:15:39 | kolla | Harlekin: will send yes |
| 00:15:56 | erikd | harlekin: ah |
| 00:18:45 | erikd | harlekin: sending |
| 00:18:52 | erikd | send |
| 00:18:54 | erikd | err |
| 00:18:56 | erikd | sent* |
| 00:19:52 | erikd | after a reboot it works |
| 00:20:08 | erikd | i'll let you know what happens after it finishes and i play another one (that's when it died before) |
| 00:21:11 | kolla | Harlekin: hm.. some softlink error? "ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libvorbisfile.so.0: No such file or directory" |
| 00:21:24 | erikd | whoa... heh... that's messed |
| 00:21:38 | Harlekin | kolla: aha |
| 00:21:51 | kolla | no,m there is no libvorbisfile |
| 00:21:59 | Harlekin | kolla: but it should be in the codecs ipk |
| 00:22:25 | erikd | uhm. i was playing that mp3 i sent you, i used the applet to turn up the sound, i paused the ogg, played it again, held down the speaker button on op2 and moved the cursor around trying to figure out how it works and it... like fast forward/skipped through the rest of the song and then died |
| 00:22:42 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 00:22:51 | kolla | Harlekin: they're not there either :) |
| 00:22:56 | Harlekin | the version you too got is a very eperimental |
| 00:23:12 | Shayde | evenin. |
| 00:23:22 | kolla | # ipkg files opie-mediaplayer-codecs | grep vorb |
| 00:23:22 | kolla | # |
| 00:23:27 | kolla | uhm |
| 00:23:31 | kolla | /usr/lib/xine/plugins/xineplug_decode_vorbis.so |
| 00:23:34 | kolla | /usr/lib/libvorbisidec.so.1 |
| 00:23:41 | kolla | only vorbis files in that ipk |
| 00:24:00 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 00:24:01 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 00:24:03 | erikd | well, that's how i to reproduce it that time :) |
| 00:24:06 | Harlekin | ill lookinto it tomorrow |
| 00:24:12 | Harlekin | as i said |
| 00:24:15 | kolla | uhm.. ok |
| 00:24:20 | angry | BZFlag: BZFlag is a great game :) |
| 00:24:23 | Harlekin | next beta in a few days |
| 00:24:40 | kolla | better dump back in the old codec package till then :) |
| 00:25:06 | Harlekin | and old player |
| 00:25:15 | Harlekin | ill make a new package tomorrow |
| 00:25:42 | Harlekin | way to late now |
| 00:26:02 | Harlekin | needs sleep |
| 00:26:04 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 00:26:36 | Shayde | too. |
| 00:26:38 | Shayde | <-- tired. |
| 00:26:39 | Harlekin | n8 |
| 00:26:43 | Shayde | but wanna set up the zsi mirroring tonight. |
| 00:27:37 | | op2 is probably opieplayer2, a mediaplayer which is currently in beta stage which will be able to play streaming mp3, ogg and MPEG4(DivX/XviD) movies (and many other formats). It is based mostly from the xine code. http://www.adamhooper.com:4242/zaurus/op2_howto.php |
| 00:27:37 | kolla | ibot op2 |
| 00:27:46 | kolla | oh.. no url |
| 00:29:13 | Harlekin | that it from killefiz |
| 00:29:14 | Harlekin | the ipks |
| 00:30:34 | kolla | Upgrading opie-mediaplayer-codecs from 0.3.2 to 0.2.2 |
| 00:30:39 | kolla | ipkg is so.. smart :) |
| 00:30:53 | erikd | harlekin: i take it you're writing op2, right? |
| 00:30:53 | Shayde | <hearts> ipkg. |
| 00:30:56 | erikd | :) |
| 00:31:04 | kolla | erikd: he is |
| 00:31:10 | erikd | err |
| 00:31:11 | erikd | he's gone |
| 00:31:12 | erikd | pfft |
| 00:31:17 | kolla | yup |
| 00:31:44 | erikd | i was gonna say he should find a way to make it so the z doesn't go into power saving when you're watching a video |
| 00:32:32 | ljp | erikd: several people are working on op2 |
| 00:32:45 | erikd | ah |
| 00:32:50 | Shayde | heh. mediaplayer doens't do that now... or hasn't for me. |
| 00:33:37 | ljp | op2 doesnt disable suspend? |
| 00:34:15 | kolla | my hack way to do it seems to work... tar up all the new codecs.. downgrade to old codecs that came with libvorbisfile.. then untar the new codecs ontop of them.. ugly ugly :) |
| 00:34:31 | kolla | ljp: does here |
| 00:34:58 | erikd | has anyone used tkcVideo/tkcPlayer and can compare playback speeds? |
| 00:35:03 | erikd | with op2, that is |
| 00:35:44 | TheMasterMind1 | prefers mplayer |
| 00:36:07 | kolla | erikd: no, but from screenshots tkcplayer seems more.. usable |
| 00:36:09 | erikd | don't you have to compile that? |
| 00:36:16 | erikd | (mplayer) |
| 00:36:52 | erikd | loves mplayer on the desktop |
| 00:36:56 | chouimat | re |
| 00:36:59 | ljp | I doubt tkcplayer can use m3u, pls lists or shoutcast streams |
| 00:37:27 | kolla | never got ordinary playlists to work with opeieplayer˛ either though :) |
| 00:37:57 | kolla | they never showed up in the list.. probably a mimetype problem though |
| 00:38:55 | ljp | kolla: open themthrough the File menu |
| 00:39:50 | mjn3 | can anyone give me some numbers on write time per meg that they get with mmc and/or sd cards? |
| 00:40:25 | TheMasterMind1 | why? |
| 00:41:31 | kolla | what I miss most in opieplayer is that there's no way to pick all files from one path |
| 00:41:49 | kolla | I find the info about what storage a file is on quite useless... |
| 00:41:57 | mjn3 | i picked up a 32Mb mmc card to test with, and the read/write times i'm getting are awful. it is taking more than 2 minutes to dd if=/dev/zero of=(file on card) bs=1024 count=10240 |
| 00:42:22 | mjn3 | that's counting a sync to force the write |
| 00:43:06 | ljp | kolla: but I'll add m3u and pls to the FileSelector there |
| 00:43:30 | kolla | both media and size isnt interesting.. but path, or some ID3 info owuld be nice |
| 00:43:34 | kolla | would |
| 00:43:57 | ljp | cant do ID cause youd have to open every file.. taking too much time and memory |
| 00:43:59 | TheMasterMind1 | mmc is supposed to be even slower than sd |
| 00:44:05 | TheMasterMind1 | and sd is pretty damn slow on pdas |
| 00:44:29 | kolla | ljp: hardly.. it's just amtter of reading a small fraction of the file |
| 00:44:33 | kolla | matter |
| 00:44:54 | kolla | works fine on this 50MHz 060, so why not on a 200MHz SA1110 :) |
| 00:45:19 | mjn3 | bonnie results with a 1Mb work file (just to make runtime tolerable)... |
| 00:45:22 | mjn3 | ---Sequential Output (nosync)--- ---Sequential Input-- --Rnd Seek- |
| 00:45:23 | mjn3 | -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --04k (03)- |
| 00:45:23 | mjn3 | Machine MB K/sec PU K/sec PU K/sec PU K/sec PU K/sec PU /sec PU |
| 00:45:23 | mjn3 | sd 1* 1 75 99.8 76 99.9 79 99.9 1565 99.4 38354 74.9 273.3 99.8 |
| 00:46:35 | kolla | ljp: alternativly, it should be possible to multiselct file in "Open file" |
| 00:46:44 | kolla | or pic a directory |
| 00:47:23 | kolla | also, ofcourse, there's the everlasting problem of non-ascii named files |
| 00:47:48 | kolla | but.. oh well |
| 00:47:55 | ljp | well, I'm not going to waste anymore time/resources opening/closing the files everytime the fs gets scanned for files |
| 00:49:02 | kolla | :) |
| 00:50:10 | ljp | kolla: the multiselect would be a function of ofileselector, not specific to op2.. and zecke is redoing ofileselector so multiselect will be available |
| 00:50:12 | kolla | replace "Open file or URL" with "Open Files" that has multiselect, and "Open URL" |
| 00:51:13 | kolla | well, the current doesnt support multiselct at all, since it doesnt open a fileselector.. it opens a string gadget with a button that brings you to a single select filerequester |
| 00:51:47 | kolla | you pick a file that is then inserted in the string requeser, so you can hit ok.. |
| 00:52:07 | kolla | I dont see how you can have more files into this string requester.. it would be a mess :) |
| 00:52:28 | kolla | better seperate "Open URL" and "Open files" |
| 00:52:28 | ljp | thats why zecke is redoing ofileselector |
| 00:52:45 | ljp | naaa |
| 00:52:52 | kolla | no naa.. "yes" :) |
| 00:53:03 | kolla | or you'll end up in problems again in no time |
| 00:53:04 | ljp | sorry,, its the same function |
| 00:53:12 | kolla | ? |
| 00:53:16 | Cloudchaser | hello |
| 00:53:20 | ljp | open url and open file |
| 00:53:26 | ljp | same thing |
| 00:53:29 | kolla | seperate them :) |
| 00:53:30 | ljp | hi cloudy! |
| 00:53:35 | kolla | it doesnt make sense |
| 00:53:41 | Shayde | woo. it worked! |
| 00:53:50 | ljp | doesnt make sence to have two functions do the same thing |
| 00:53:58 | kolla | it's not the same thing |
| 00:54:01 | ljp | yes it is |
| 00:54:07 | kolla | no |
| 00:54:17 | ljp | trust me, it is |
| 00:54:23 | kolla | it should not be |
| 00:54:29 | ljp | I wrote it, its the same thing |
| 00:54:30 | Cloudchaser | how's everyone tonight/ |
| 00:54:41 | kolla | ljp: then you're silly :) |
| 00:54:45 | ljp | okie dokie.. hows the chaser of clouds |
| 00:55:00 | nadav | heya cloud |
| 00:55:00 | kolla | how on earth will you do a multiselect from a string gadget? |
| 00:55:06 | Cloudchaser | not too bad thanks ;0 |
| 00:55:32 | kolla | Open File or URL [/mnt/cf/Bel Canto/ |
| 00:55:35 | kolla | er.. |
| 00:55:44 | ljp | I wont.. zecke will.. thats not part of op2 |
| 00:56:00 | TheMasterMind1 | who is working on the docs tab? |
| 00:56:25 | ljp | ofileselector wil lbe the next docs tab.. |
| 00:56:40 | ljp | we are waiting for zecke to finish ofileselector |
| 00:56:49 | kolla | Open File or URL ['/mnt/cf/Bel Canto/Dorothy's Vicory/01 - track 1.ogg' '/mnt/cf/Bel Canto/Dorothy's Vicory/02 - track 2.ogg' '/mnt/cf/Bel Canto/Dorothy's Vicory/03 - track 3.ogg' '/mnt/cf/Bel Canto/Dorothy's Vicory/04 - track 4.ogg' '/mnt/cf/Bel Canto/Dorothy's Vicory/05 - track 5.ogg' '/mnt/cf/Bel Canto/Dorothy's Vicory/06 - track 6.ogg'] |
| 00:56:52 | kolla | like that? :) |
| 00:56:59 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: the mix of Cider and Beer made me very happy :) |
| 00:57:43 | kolla | ljp: did any of you guys ever take a HCI course? :) |
| 00:57:49 | Cloudchaser | hehe thats good chou |
| 00:58:12 | chouimat | Cloudchaser: yhou bestt |
| 00:58:30 | chouimat | :) |
| 00:59:00 | Cloudchaser | i'm best? |
| 00:59:04 | kolla | when I open files from other opie apps, I dont get a string requester with a button on.. I get the file requester, pick a file, and it's loaded into the app.. |
| 00:59:32 | kolla | or pick multiple files |
| 01:01:28 | kolla | reminds me I should look at xmms again |
| 01:01:36 | kolla | it doesnt pause between the tracks |
| 01:05:16 | kolla | woi.. it even opened its window now :) |
| 01:05:45 | kolla | has working multiselect also |
| 01:07:11 | ljp | wow.. imagine that |
| 01:07:39 | mjn3 | TheMasterMind1: does the Z's driver use all the data lines on an sd? |
| 01:07:51 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 01:07:53 | Shayde | okay, cron-based update of zsi2 from zsi is now set up. yay remote mirroring. |
| 01:08:02 | ljp | seems to me, op2 can multiselect files also |
| 01:08:05 | TheMasterMind1 | mjn3: nope, that's a limitation of the hardware |
| 01:08:22 | TheMasterMind1 | the sd/mmc controller is not capable of doing so (its the same in all PDAs |
| 01:08:23 | TheMasterMind1 | ) |
| 01:08:37 | kolla | ljp: sure, but you cannot .. and read carefully ... pick all the files from one certain directory! |
| 01:08:48 | kolla | they get sorted on file name |
| 01:09:14 | kolla | no matter what path |
| 01:09:31 | kolla | so I typically get a bunch of 01-blurb.mp3 files at the top |
| 01:09:34 | ljp | path doesnt matter |
| 01:09:44 | kolla | sure it does.. |
| 01:09:51 | ljp | nor should it matter |
| 01:09:56 | kolla | I typically have artist/album/file |
| 01:10:02 | kolla | geh.. nonsense |
| 01:10:17 | kolla | when you do not have ID3 info.. path is the least thing to provide |
| 01:10:47 | kolla | as it is I have hundreds of mp3 sorted _only_ on filename and uselss info like filesize and media.. |
| 01:11:01 | kolla | oh.. are they on my CF??? really?? |
| 01:11:02 | ljp | path doesnt matter.. do you see any file paths in sharp rom apps anywhere? |
| 01:11:04 | kolla | sheesh :) |
| 01:11:20 | kolla | do I care about what mess sharp is doing? :) |
| 01:11:34 | mjn3 | TheMasterMind1: then i guess i'm back to the question of how fast writes are expected to be to an sd or an mmc card... :-( |
| 01:11:36 | kolla | why repeat bad design? :) |
| 01:11:52 | ljp | its not a frickin desktop, its a frickin pda |
| 01:11:58 | kolla | so? |
| 01:12:04 | TheMasterMind1 | mjn3: slow :( |
| 01:12:05 | kolla | I still have hundreds of mp3 I want to play |
| 01:12:09 | ljp | your not going to have 17 scsi disks to choose files from |
| 01:12:10 | kolla | on that PDA |
| 01:12:36 | kolla | I have 512MB wortth, and by the time OZ is any stable there will be much larger CF cards avaible also |
| 01:12:43 | ljp | user doesn tneed to know paths.. takes too much room on screen anyway |
| 01:13:03 | kolla | but we need to know about wether it is stored on CF card or what size it is? |
| 01:13:25 | mjn3 | TheMasterMind1: i'd perfer quantative to qualatative. ;-) i was hoping someone else might have run some benchmarks. seemed like a logical thing to do (at least to me) |
| 01:13:27 | ljp | yep |
| 01:13:31 | kolla | and btw.. I _am_ a user |
| 01:13:45 | kolla | I'm certainly not a developer.. just another frustrated user |
| 01:14:29 | ljp | and I am both |
| 01:15:00 | kolla | ... gfed up with so called "smart" software |
| 01:15:13 | kolla | forward incompatible |
| 01:15:49 | kolla | "it's just a PDA" |
| 01:15:56 | kolla | "640k is all you'll ever need" |
| 01:16:01 | kolla | blablabla |
| 01:18:57 | codemnky | hi |
| 01:19:08 | codemnky | wait |
| 01:19:10 | codemnky | wait |
| 01:19:14 | codemnky | ok n ow i am |
| 01:19:48 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 01:20:03 | ljp | kolla: you may be a frustrated user, but I am a frustrated developer because users dont understand _embedded_ devices |
| 01:20:21 | kolla | oh.. "embedded" |
| 01:20:37 | kolla | screw that |
| 01:21:01 | chouimat|Zzzz | ljp: users don't even understand computers or in some case books |
| 01:21:04 | Cloudchaser | what don't we understand ljp? |
| 01:21:08 | kolla | just because it is so called "embedded" it means one can justify lousy design? |
| 01:21:23 | codemnky | _embedded_ devices, is that like my wall oven? |
| 01:21:24 | ljp | ummm a pda is _not_ a desktop device |
| 01:21:29 | kolla | this isnt really embedded |
| 01:21:34 | ljp | yes it is |
| 01:21:45 | Cloudchaser | oh i understand that |
| 01:21:51 | kolla | ljp: it's a heck lot more of a desktop device than any win3.x machine ever was :) |
| 01:21:51 | ljp | you have very limited memory |
| 01:22:13 | kolla | 64MB is _not_ "very limited" |
| 01:22:23 | Cloudchaser | true but there's a level of expectation now |
| 01:23:01 | Cloudchaser | so if it can be done on a palm or ce device, users expect it can be done on the z :) |
| 01:23:04 | kolla | this PAD has more guts in it than any of my other machines |
| 01:23:04 | chouimat|Zzzz | ljp: I have a palm with only 8 |
| 01:23:07 | kolla | PDA |
| 01:23:10 | chouimat|Zzzz | MB ram so ... |
| 01:23:35 | kolla | talk about palm, and you have embedded device |
| 01:23:40 | codemnky | speaking of space |
| 01:24:09 | codemnky | i did a: ln -s /mnt/card/opt /opt and have TONS now! |
| 01:24:12 | codemnky | whoohoo |
| 01:24:17 | codemnky | 64M for applications |
| 01:24:28 | chouimat|Zzzz | kolla: or put a complete unix in 16MB disk space |
| 01:25:00 | codemnky | just like my commodore64 |
| 01:25:06 | kolla | chouimat|Zzzz: back in the days of netbsd 1.0 and 1.1 we sometimes did exactly that |
| 01:25:46 | kolla | back in the days when you needed 20-30 MB to run linux, and 50MB if you also wanted X11 |
| 01:26:07 | kolla | and what is a "complete" unix anayways? |
| 01:26:12 | codemnky | it's ok to ignore me |
| 01:26:37 | codemnky | "complete" unix means you got it just the way *you* like it |
| 01:26:42 | ljp | ignores codemnky |
| 01:26:53 | kolla | codemnky: oh, but is that possible? |
| 01:27:05 | kolla | I'm trying my best, but every software update screws it up |
| 01:27:08 | kolla | :) |
| 01:28:10 | kolla | here we are.. 30 years later, and still locked to silly /tla paths, single root and other stupid legacy |
| 01:28:33 | ljp | and... you have a better idea? |
| 01:28:44 | kolla | sure |
| 01:29:02 | kolla | out the mind and eneergy into creating something new and better |
| 01:29:05 | treke|home | you dont need tla paths... just ease of typing... |
| 01:29:19 | kolla | treke: try renaming /bin and see what happens :) |
| 01:29:37 | kolla | or whatever |
| 01:30:20 | kolla | most people dont know what the meaning of /sbin /bin /etc /usr etc is anyways |
| 01:30:40 | kolla | like in OZ where we have heaploads of symlinks from /usr/bin to /bin/busybox |
| 01:30:44 | kagemusha | whats the keycombo for a pipe on the Z? |
| 01:30:49 | kolla | what's the point in that? :) |
| 01:31:07 | treke|home | the point is having one binary that pretends to be many :) |
| 01:31:09 | kolla | if the binary is already in /bin, then all the symlinks can just well be there also |
| 01:31:17 | ljp | umm the point is that busybox is one executable thats does many things |
| 01:31:40 | kolla | ljp: I know that, but there's no need to mess it out on both / _and_ /usr |
| 01:31:50 | kolla | that's just silly |
| 01:32:03 | ljp | different executables have differen tplaces |
| 01:32:14 | kagemusha | anyone? |
| 01:32:22 | ljp | you dont lump everything into /bin |
| 01:32:35 | ljp | Shift-space |
| 01:32:37 | kolla | also funny is how quite a few /bin apps nowadays have requires libs from /usr/lib |
| 01:32:37 | codemnky | kolla: no it's not possible |
| 01:32:38 | codemnky | :)O |
| 01:32:41 | treke|home | kolla: Thats not nearly as much a technical distinction as tradition |
| 01:32:55 | kagemusha | ljp:thnx |
| 01:32:56 | codemnky | but somedays you get very close |
| 01:33:18 | kolla | when you boot singleuser, /usr should not even be mounted.. but fancy that bash requires libncurses that resides in /usr/lib |
| 01:33:18 | ljp | kolla: well thats the distributions fault then |
| 01:33:41 | codemnky | hmm |
| 01:33:44 | kolla | and /sbin should _only_ contain staticly linked binaries |
| 01:33:58 | kolla | but do anywone care? nah.. |
| 01:34:02 | kolla | it's wild wild west |
| 01:34:16 | codemnky | i don't agree |
| 01:34:26 | kolla | your loss :) |
| 01:34:36 | codemnky | single user means signle user |
| 01:34:41 | codemnky | not single slice mounted |
| 01:35:08 | treke|home | and that means jack on the zaurus where there is a single read only partition |
| 01:35:10 | kolla | who said that? |
| 01:35:27 | treke|home | where unless I'm mistaken, you cant install anything into /bin |
| 01:35:28 | kolla | treke: oh? on your zaurus perhaps.. not mine |
| 01:35:38 | codemnky | slash usr might be a part of the root fs |
| 01:35:44 | kolla | treke: again.. on your zaurus maybe, not mine |
| 01:35:52 | kolla | codemnky: _might_ |
| 01:35:57 | ljp | hahaha my cat just debugged my house |
| 01:36:09 | kolla | on most sane servers though, you have seperate /usr |
| 01:36:25 | kolla | I have my SD card mounted on /usr |
| 01:36:26 | codemnky | you mean |
| 01:36:27 | treke|home | how does that relate to the zaurus? |
| 01:36:29 | codemnky | _might_ |
| 01:36:36 | kolla | treke: same OS paradigma |
| 01:36:42 | kolla | posix et al |
| 01:36:50 | codemnky | i don't think so |
| 01:36:59 | kolla | that's your oppinion |
| 01:37:04 | ljp | pda is not a server, nor is it a desktop machine |
| 01:37:05 | codemnky | let me ask you this |
| 01:37:12 | codemnky | how long have you been using unix |
| 01:37:18 | kolla | ljp: and hence is not suited with a unix :) |
| 01:37:29 | kolla | codemnky: since like.. '93? |
| 01:37:37 | kolla | ultrix first |
| 01:37:45 | treke|home | no, just not suited to be judged according to the same standards as any other server |
| 01:37:47 | codemnky | then you should know better :) |
| 01:37:48 | ljp | linux is not unix |
| 01:37:49 | kolla | then netbsd and early linux |
| 01:38:06 | codemnky | it's not but close enough |
| 01:38:08 | kolla | then irix, solaris, OSF, HPUX.. |
| 01:38:16 | kolla | old sunos :) |
| 01:38:30 | kolla | codemnky: know better? |
| 01:38:38 | kolla | it just stinks more and more :) |
| 01:38:51 | kolla | gets more and more like windows |
| 01:38:53 | codemnky | i've worked on 1000's of 'sane' systems all conf differently |
| 01:39:00 | kolla | with the same problems |
| 01:39:30 | kolla | thousands of files, major bloat and so called "user friendly" |
| 01:40:09 | codemnky | where did you get this 'sane' system conf saying /usr shouldn't be mounted in single user |
| 01:40:20 | ljp | heh ya, I'd hate for anything to be easy to use |
| 01:40:38 | codemnky | back in 93? |
| 01:40:47 | kolla | codemnky: because "sane" systems traditionally has /usr mounted on a different partition or even disk |
| 01:41:04 | kolla | and that also yields for my zaurus |
| 01:41:06 | codemnky | we are talking about the zaurus right? |
| 01:41:15 | kolla | the sharp PDA yes |
| 01:41:24 | codemnky | how many disks do you got in your Z? |
| 01:41:27 | angry | gah can somebody help me with some general linux kernel/lilo boot errors? |
| 01:41:29 | kolla | I have /usr mounted on my 128MB SD card |
| 01:41:41 | codemnky | waves hand on lilo |
| 01:41:42 | kolla | codemnky: mostly 2, sometimes 3 or more |
| 01:41:59 | codemnky | i mounted /opt there |
| 01:42:03 | kolla | there's / and there's /usr, and there's /tmp as a ramdisk |
| 01:42:08 | codemnky | since most apps go in there |
| 01:42:18 | kolla | my /opt is a symlink to /usr/local |
| 01:42:25 | codemnky | i'm just given you a hard time kolla |
| 01:42:27 | kolla | ie also on SD card |
| 01:42:27 | codemnky | :P |
| 01:42:50 | kolla | codemnky: likewise :) |
| 01:43:13 | codemnky | in a perfect world /sbin etc would be read only |
| 01:43:35 | codemnky | to pervent them damn root kits |
| 01:43:56 | kolla | *ix people also has this obsession about single root being the only "Right Way"[tm] to do it.. because the only alternative they ever saw was MSDOS with its lame letter stuff |
| 01:44:02 | ljp | most pda users dont give a flying fark if anything is in /sbin or upa creek. they just want to use it and get work done |
| 01:44:17 | kolla | allthough anywone who ever worked with VMS or amiga would know better |
| 01:44:49 | kolla | ljp: right. so why is there even a filesystem present? |
| 01:45:09 | codemnky | i left msdos around 93 |
| 01:45:12 | kolla | why isnt it just a database structure? |
| 01:45:25 | codemnky | maybe before |
| 01:45:34 | kolla | indexed, with meta data and all |
| 01:45:54 | codemnky | kolla, how many linux pdas do you own? |
| 01:45:59 | kolla | one |
| 01:46:03 | codemnky | AH HA |
| 01:46:07 | codemnky | welcome |
| 01:46:13 | kolla | and it has more CPU and ram than my webserver :) |
| 01:46:17 | codemnky | heh |
| 01:46:29 | codemnky | been here: |
| 01:46:31 | kolla | just lacks a little in terms of storage |
| 01:46:31 | codemnky | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 01:46:38 | codemnky | storage where? |
| 01:46:41 | codemnky | RAM? |
| 01:46:42 | codemnky | HD? |
| 01:46:48 | kolla | does it matter? |
| 01:46:50 | codemnky | yes |
| 01:46:55 | kolla | as in filesystem |
| 01:47:06 | codemnky | how much space so you want? |
| 01:47:14 | codemnky | there are 1G micro drives |
| 01:47:14 | kolla | as in place to store data where it wont be gone after a full reset |
| 01:47:23 | kolla | I have 512MB+128MB |
| 01:47:31 | kolla | my webserver has 18GB |
| 01:47:41 | codemnky | mine has 500G |
| 01:47:45 | codemnky | :) |
| 01:47:52 | codemnky | x10 |
| 01:47:55 | codemnky | but |
| 01:48:01 | kolla | but only uses like 200MB of it for the system.. the rest is samba shares and web |
| 01:48:41 | kolla | also, my personal web server only has a 50MHz CPU, 32MB and 32MB of ram |
| 01:48:55 | kolla | s/32MB// |
| 01:49:02 | codemnky | use the Z itself for system stuff and store apps on SD or CF |
| 01:49:14 | codemnky | there are backup apps to backup system |
| 01:49:26 | codemnky | so a full reset can be easily fixed |
| 01:49:28 | kolla | I only use CF for data, since I also use the CF for wlan and hopefully soon.. bluetooth |
| 01:49:56 | codemnky | you using openZ? |
| 01:50:01 | kolla | ofcourse |
| 01:50:06 | codemnky | ok |
| 01:50:38 | codemnky | i was alot happier after moving /opt |
| 01:50:39 | kolla | the sharp distro was obviously put together by something who had a very short history with *ix |
| 01:50:55 | kolla | uhm.. somebody :) |
| 01:51:04 | kolla | someone rather |
| 01:51:10 | treke|home | or by someone who didnt care much about the history of unix on a pda |
| 01:51:38 | chouimat|Zzzz | kolla: something is ok in some case, like functionnairies, accountant and .... |
| 01:51:45 | kolla | ah.. xmms works fine... no need to stress with op˛ then :) |
| 01:52:41 | kolla | treke: the history of unix on PDA is very short, it's not that long ago we read about DEC developers playing with itzy :) |
| 01:53:07 | ljp | or by someone that didnt need his zaurus to be a server and a desktop and a pda all rolled up into one |
| 01:53:40 | kolla | well, that's why you would want a *ix on it in the first place :) |
| 01:54:21 | kolla | btw.. you are the guys who want to use the Z to watch divx.. how sick is that? :) |
| 01:54:32 | treke|home | gee, I thought that reason was because it gave you a stable inexpensive base of software, and was relativly easy to program for |
| 01:54:48 | treke|home | doesnt care about divx on the Z |
| 01:54:56 | kolla | treke: heh.. why when it is neither? :) |
| 01:55:24 | treke|home | dunno. The linux on my pda is both |
| 01:56:12 | kolla | best PDA OS ever was made by Apple, and was.. typically for any good technology... canned :) |
| 01:56:38 | codemnky | you know why Apple made the best? |
| 01:56:53 | kolla | Apple had a preemptivly multitasking OS on the PDA when they still were cooperativly swapping along on their desktop OS :) |
| 01:56:54 | codemnky | because the developers stayed stoned |
| 01:57:12 | codemnky | which is also why it never made it |
| 01:57:24 | kolla | most of the cool developer left, as their development wasnt valued by the marketroids |
| 01:57:43 | kolla | Apple was like an empty shell when Jobs came back with NeXT |
| 01:58:08 | kolla | but ofcourse he killed the newton, as it wasnt something he himself had made :) |
| 01:58:38 | codemnky | you use windows kolla? |
| 01:58:44 | kolla | the Newton was from bottom up desninged for PDA |
| 01:58:54 | kolla | codemnky: not since I quit my last sysadm job :) |
| 01:59:03 | codemnky | have you ever tried this |
| 01:59:06 | codemnky | http://www.cygwin.com/ |
| 01:59:10 | kolla | 5 years of windows admining was enough |
| 01:59:13 | codemnky | makes it easier if your forced |
| 01:59:15 | kolla | yes.. cygwin |
| 01:59:19 | kolla | heh |
| 01:59:38 | kolla | cygwin is nice - if only it was a heck lot more stable |
| 01:59:53 | codemnky | i landed in a job where i have to convert 50 computers to linux |
| 01:59:58 | codemnky | all windows 2000 |
| 02:00:00 | codemnky | i'm in hell |
| 02:00:24 | kolla | I always used linux on my own workstation even though everyone else was on windows |
| 02:00:33 | codemnky | same here |
| 02:00:35 | kolla | including all the server |
| 02:00:44 | kolla | allthough I put up a few servers my self |
| 02:00:45 | codemnky | i went from windows 3.11 to linux |
| 02:00:57 | kolla | and bough a few amigas for video/animation work |
| 02:01:06 | kolla | and acorn for some lab work |
| 02:01:15 | kolla | and macs |
| 02:01:18 | codemnky | what state are you in?> |
| 02:01:30 | kolla | fiftyfourth |
| 02:01:38 | codemnky | hmm |
| 02:01:48 | codemnky | or country |
| 02:01:53 | kolla | Norway :) |
| 02:01:56 | codemnky | heh |
| 02:02:08 | codemnky | i have to move (drive) to CA from FL oct 1st |
| 02:02:14 | codemnky | i mean |
| 02:02:16 | codemnky | FL to CA |
| 02:02:24 | codemnky | florida - california |
| 02:02:29 | kolla | yes, I know |
| 02:02:35 | codemnky | just making sure |
| 02:02:51 | codemnky | norway worth visiting |
| 02:03:08 | kolla | seems so, crowded with tourists all the time :) |
| 02:03:15 | codemnky | sound familiar |
| 02:03:38 | kolla | for us who live here.. no big deal :) |
| 02:03:51 | codemnky | brings in the cash |
| 02:03:58 | kolla | so we do exotic things like walking in the mountains and skiing.. |
| 02:04:16 | kolla | others have beaches and jungles |
| 02:04:21 | codemnky | is norway like amsterdamn> |
| 02:04:31 | kolla | in what way? |
| 02:04:42 | codemnky | not sure, how far is it from each other |
| 02:04:45 | codemnky | so i can plan |
| 02:04:50 | kolla | amsterdam in general smell worse and is alot more crowded :) |
| 02:05:16 | kolla | uhm.. about 24 hours with train I guess |
| 02:05:28 | codemnky | ooo that's close |
| 02:05:34 | kolla | with plane.. 2-3 hours? |
| 02:05:40 | codemnky | just heard about kako |
| 02:05:44 | codemnky | on the news |
| 02:05:46 | codemnky | just now |
| 02:05:48 | kolla | but remember that norway is quite long |
| 02:06:02 | kolla | like NY to Chicago, iirc |
| 02:06:15 | kolla | going up north |
| 02:06:44 | codemnky | if you want to improve the Z you should get with kergoth |
| 02:07:02 | codemnky | kergoth started openZ |
| 02:07:11 | kolla | the distance from the north tip to the south tip is like the distance from the south tip and way down in the mediterranian |
| 02:07:22 | kolla | I know |
| 02:07:27 | codemnky | i have no idea where it is |
| 02:07:29 | codemnky | i need a map |
| 02:07:33 | kolla | :) |
| 02:07:50 | codemnky | my projects are mycity.com and 411web.com |
| 02:08:34 | kolla | http://msrvmaps.mappoint.net/isapi/MSMap.dll?ID=3XNsF.&C=63.42538,10.38512&L=WLD0409&CV=1&A=16384&S=656,532&P=|63.42538,10.38512|1|Home+sweet+home%0A|L1| |
| 02:08:41 | codemnky | but hopfully in the future i can do something more menaingful |
| 02:09:48 | codemnky | ah |
| 02:09:50 | codemnky | i see it |
| 02:10:04 | codemnky | looks cold |
| 02:10:13 | kolla | hehe :) |
| 02:10:16 | kolla | http://www.venaas.no/whereami/ |
| 02:10:40 | hobbs | I've been wondering if the world needs another Z-related website. There are plenty, but most of them aren't all too friendly to use. :) |
| 02:10:42 | kolla | a friend of mine has a GPS, keeps sending positions and comments via SMS to the webserver |
| 02:10:58 | kolla | shamelessly abusing a microsoft map service :) |
| 02:11:04 | codemnky | have you seen this one for apps: |
| 02:11:17 | codemnky | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 02:11:34 | codemnky | it's to bad |
| 02:11:41 | kolla | hobbs: are they hostile? :) |
| 02:11:45 | hobbs | codemnky: yeah. that one ain't bad. but the interface could be better. :) |
| 02:11:53 | hobbs | kolla: some of them are user-hostile, yes. >:) |
| 02:12:25 | kolla | hobbs: matches the OS running on the darn thing :) |
| 02:12:33 | kolla | at least most of the apps |
| 02:12:36 | kolla | hehe |
| 02:12:46 | hobbs | you've got a point. |
| 02:12:58 | codemnky | at least there's sorta a desc instead of a raw feed |
| 02:13:02 | codemnky | this one ain't bad either |
| 02:13:15 | hobbs | yeah. |
| 02:13:15 | codemnky | http://www.linuxlinks.com/PDA/Zaurus/Software/ |
| 02:13:17 | kolla | like the opera and konqueror.. it's just fuinny that you cannot turn of loading of images :) |
| 02:13:48 | kolla | so even when you're on a sucky modem line or GPRS they keep loading all the gfx |
| 02:13:57 | kolla | that you have to pay for :) |
| 02:14:10 | hobbs | I wrote a good part of http://www.linuxguru.net |
| 02:14:41 | hobbs | I'm not working on it anymore, but I've still got the code, and I learned a lot. |
| 02:15:15 | codemnky | hey i like that |
| 02:15:18 | codemnky | User (new): |
| 02:17:21 | kolla | personally I'm fed up with sites where you have to register to see anything usefull |
| 02:17:50 | kolla | dont see the point :) |
| 02:18:05 | kolla | but that's me |
| 02:18:18 | hobbs | the point is that you're useles (to the people running the site) if you're not registered. :) |
| 02:18:21 | codemnky | yep |
| 02:18:35 | codemnky | register should be for things you really need |
| 02:18:50 | kolla | hobbs: so? :) |
| 02:19:37 | codemnky | like email |
| 02:19:39 | codemnky | etc |
| 02:22:33 | kagemusha | anyone in here use zradio at all? |
| 02:29:26 | codemnky | nope |
| 02:29:48 | myuu | so is the spare battery you can get any better than the orginal? |
| 02:30:12 | myuu | id almost like a AA battery pack |
| 02:30:40 | hobbs | myuu: If you do that, don't forget the diode. >:) |
| 02:30:54 | jaytee | wants a fuel cell for his Z |
| 02:31:06 | codemnky | myuu |
| 02:31:07 | codemnky | yes |
| 02:31:10 | myuu | lol |
| 02:31:14 | codemnky | let me see if i can find it |
| 02:31:21 | codemnky | man |
| 02:31:48 | codemnky | someone posted an image yesterday with a aa battery pack hooked up to a Z |
| 02:31:53 | codemnky | it was primitive |
| 02:31:54 | myuu | im so sick of having to recharge every day |
| 02:31:55 | codemnky | but worked |
| 02:32:21 | myuu | qplot ownz all, so i use it as a grephing calc here in high school |
| 02:32:50 | myuu | cool |
| 02:33:31 | myuu | after a better battery life, i need a rom that runs off X |
| 02:33:36 | myuu | =/ |
| 02:33:44 | myuu | pocket snes! |
| 02:39:37 | kolla | there's a power pack thing for some certain fuji cams that also works with Zaurus |
| 02:40:01 | kolla | 2700mAh iirc |
| 02:41:00 | kolla | http://www.thomas-distributing.com/dp-dps-8100.htm |
| 02:44:55 | jaytee | kolla: what's the Z battery specs? |
| 02:45:13 | kolla | heh.. xmms also puts up ID3 info in the play list |
| 02:45:17 | kolla | not slowly |
| 02:45:40 | kolla | jaytee: iirc it was something like 600mAh |
| 02:46:10 | kolla | there's info on mysharp.com I think |
| 02:46:24 | jaytee | kolla: that's a bit better |
| 03:12:06 | | it has been said that digipower is a small portable battery pack known to work with the Z that provides 3 full charges, output of 8100 is 4.8V/2700mAH DP-4 cable required http://thomas-distributing.com/dp-dps-8100.htm or 8100=4.8V and 8200=6V or has 1800 mAH AA NiH |
| 03:12:06 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot digipower |
| 03:16:40 | myuu | very cool, but i wonder where i can get one without ordering off the web |
| 03:22:03 | Cloud_Z | hello |
| 03:23:00 | Cloud_Z | hi treke |
| 03:31:16 | treke|ho1e | hey cloud |
| 03:58:01 | KGBudz- | is zaurus audio full duplex? |
| 03:58:12 | KGBudz- | as in can you play and record at same time |
| 04:20:29 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 04:20:33 | TheMasterMind1 | i are back |
| 04:20:36 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone here know bk? |
| 04:46:11 | W|GGL|T | burger king? |
| 04:50:01 | kergoth | hey! |
| 04:50:06 | kergoth | man, what a long fucking day |
| 04:50:21 | [DrEvil] | awwww |
| 04:50:39 | kergoth | had to help the new roommate move into the place |
| 04:51:02 | kergoth | so i ended up moving my computer out of the den into the living room, on the fucking end table, cause my desk is a piece of shit that needs to be trashed |
| 04:51:04 | kergoth | heheh |
| 04:51:08 | kergoth | weird sitting on my couch on the pc |
| 04:51:09 | [DrEvil] | you already got a roomate? |
| 04:51:24 | kergoth | yeah, place was draining me man, not enough cash |
| 04:51:45 | [DrEvil] | this computer is too fucking slow |
| 05:14:24 | cdm2 | evening. |
| 05:24:14 | br33zy | moo |
| 05:24:38 | cdm2 | church of, |
| 05:27:16 | Neo|Laptop | is in love with his new tivo |
| 05:27:47 | cdm2 | cool. |
| 05:28:09 | Neo|Laptop | it's awesome and I've only had it since this afternoon. :) |
| 05:28:39 | cdm2 | ha |
| 05:28:45 | cdm2 | you using it via dish or cable? |
| 05:28:57 | Neo|Laptop | just normal extended cable |
| 05:29:20 | Neo|Laptop | the dish version is also just series 1 while this is series 2 which is significantly better. :P |
| 05:29:49 | Neo|Laptop | just installed a software upgrade |
| 05:30:02 | Neo|Laptop | it'll allow me to do the downloads of programs etc over the internet instead of phone. :P |
| 05:30:16 | cdm2 | funky. |
| 05:30:23 | cdm2 | just hook it up to your intranet? |
| 05:30:26 | Neo|Laptop | yeps |
| 05:30:52 | Neo|Laptop | I need a cable to where the TV is (we have home networking) and then just plug it in |
| 05:31:12 | cdm2 | sweet |
| 05:31:22 | cdm2 | soon they will all have 802.11b/a onboard. |
| 05:37:16 | W|GGL|T | might ask his wife for a tivo for xmas |
| 05:39:44 | kergoth | re |
| 05:49:25 | br33zy | later guys |
| 05:49:27 | br33zy | 14b15-r0-30-315-z14-y |
| 05:58:50 | SP-home | i have a tivo.. i dont know how i would live without it now =) |
| 06:00:32 | Bala | no tivo's in canada :( |
| 06:00:59 | SP-home | heh.. it is like having your own tv station =) |
| 06:00:59 | cdm2 | Bala: yeah there are. Only via dish though. |
| 06:01:13 | Bala | well its not called "tivo" |
| 06:01:15 | Bala | heh |
| 06:01:38 | Neo|Laptop | coolio. just did a tivo update over ethernet. :) |
| 06:01:38 | Bala | besides only expressvu.. and i have a starchoice :( |
| 06:01:43 | Neo|Laptop | cooler part == download movies from the tivo... :P |
| 06:03:04 | Neo|Laptop | if this thing had a wwebbrowser that'd be absolutely awesome |
| 06:05:33 | Bala | so can ya watch the movies directly on your Z yet?? or does that software need to be written too? :) |
| 06:06:11 | SP-home | what tivo you got Neo? |
| 06:06:38 | Neo|Laptop | the new series 2 |
| 06:06:58 | SP-home | ahh.. i have series 1 |
| 06:07:04 | Neo|Laptop | bought it today |
| 06:07:11 | SP-home | mine doesnt have ethernet |
| 06:07:30 | Neo|Laptop | this one has USB so you can connect a std USB network adapter |
| 06:07:50 | SP-home | nice.. so if you do that it will update over your lan then? |
| 06:08:13 | Neo|Laptop | yeps |
| 06:08:22 | Neo|Laptop | through an unsupported feature. :) |
| 06:08:28 | SP-home | did you have to open the case to mod it in any way tho? |
| 06:08:35 | SP-home | oh.. think i read bout that |
| 06:08:35 | Neo|Laptop | there ARE network cards one can get to series 1 |
| 06:08:40 | SP-home | i know |
| 06:08:40 | Neo|Laptop | but I don't know details |
| 06:08:45 | SP-home | 9th tee has em |
| 06:08:49 | Neo|Laptop | no mods |
| 06:09:02 | Neo|Laptop | but I will open it and add another harddrive of like 100 GB or so |
| 06:09:29 | SP-home | i didnt think there was a mod to extract the video streams tho |
| 06:10:42 | Neo|Laptop | a friend did it on a Series 1 |
| 06:11:12 | SP-home | cool.. might make gettin a nic for my series 1 worth it.. heh |
| 06:13:40 | Neo|Laptop | indeed |
| 06:14:05 | SP-home | got a link or some info how to do the video stream? =) |
| 06:14:26 | Neo|Laptop | www.tivocommunity.com |
| 06:14:33 | Neo|Laptop | the underground forum for example |
| 06:14:35 | Neo|Laptop | or just google |
| 06:15:37 | Neo|Laptop | might not be the best place actually. wait a sec |
| 06:16:43 | Neo|Laptop | actually go, http://sf.net/ and search for tivo yourself |
| 06:17:08 | SP-home | i found one place.. guy talkin about somethin called "extractstream" and "sendstream" |
| 06:17:14 | Neo|Laptop | gtivo is a nice gui even |
| 06:17:22 | Neo|Laptop | gtivo.sf.net |
| 06:17:54 | Neo|Laptop | perhaps too early |
| 06:17:58 | Wembly | hihihihi? |
| 06:33:00 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy or asleep |
| 06:37:50 | Neo|Laptop | man, the tivo needs a bigger harddrive. :) |
| 06:41:31 | Neo|Laptop | the season pass feature is so way cool |
| 06:47:54 | XavierXeon | needs a better chair |
| 07:19:39 | bug1 | is the strongarm little or big endian ? |
| 07:20:25 | XavierXeon | dont know. why not try it ? |
| 07:22:03 | bug1 | because i dotn udnerstand it properly |
| 07:23:00 | rikkus | it's little |
| 07:23:22 | bug1 | as long as data is stored on disk in a consistent manner it shouldnt matter what the nedian-ness is should it ? |
| 07:23:30 | Wembly | neo: you have a tivo2? |
| 07:23:52 | XavierXeon | bug1: unless you want to manipulate the data bitwise |
| 07:23:54 | bug1 | rikkus: cool, so its the same as i386's |
| 07:23:55 | Wembly | bug1: depends on hwo you read/write it |
| 07:24:20 | bug1 | im trying to understand portability of zip archive |
| 07:24:28 | rikkus | bug1: http://rikkus.info/tmp/Endian.h <- to find out using C++ |
| 07:25:42 | bug1 | rikkus: i will have a look, i dotn have a compielr setup on my zaurus yet htouhg :) |
| 07:25:57 | rikkus | bug1: I ese |
| 07:26:01 | Wembly | damnit |
| 07:26:03 | rikkus | ;) |
| 07:26:06 | Wembly | i hate icons on my desktop grr |
| 07:26:12 | bug1 | occassionally types in big neidna |
| 07:26:47 | rikkus | just got a new keyboard today, so is likely to be making some mispessling |
| 07:27:29 | XavierXeon | is unable to write in any language so take it easy |
| 07:28:02 | rikkus | I got the newer model of the keyboard I had before, and they've gone and put another 'Fn' key in, right next to the left Alt |
| 07:28:05 | rikkus | really annoying |
| 07:28:10 | Wembly | herm. |
| 07:28:39 | rikkus | Fn Alt <> Space <> Alt |
| 07:28:41 | rikkus | too much! |
| 07:28:56 | XavierXeon | i always remove the caps key from my keyboards to avoid me clicking it and typing rubbish :) |
| 07:29:01 | rikkus | heh |
| 07:29:10 | rikkus | caps on this keyboard is Fn+TAB |
| 07:29:42 | XavierXeon | i am talking about pc keyboards :( |
| 07:30:32 | rikkus | unfortunately, now that Fn is next to left Alt, I just hit Fn+TAB when I meant Alt+TAB |
| 07:30:34 | rikkus | doh |
| 07:34:13 | bug1 | i see now, if .zip's are stored on disk in the same endian they have to be read of the disk into memory in the same endian-ness as the machine |
| 07:44:47 | frankps | morning |
| 07:51:34 | mark | is back (gone 07:36:53) |
| 07:57:08 | Neo|Laptop | SA is little endian |
| 07:58:00 | XavierXeon | why does my application close if i click on an empty space in a QlistView ? any hints ? |
| 07:58:47 | mark | XavierXeon: sure its not segfaulting? |
| 07:59:00 | XavierXeon | mark: no error message |
| 07:59:14 | mark | hmm |
| 07:59:50 | XavierXeon | got it: have to check if passed QListViewItem from clicked signal is not NULL |
| 08:04:04 | XavierXeon | mark: you wrote the ti85 emulator ? |
| 08:20:18 | Wembly | how does one extract info from ipk's again? |
| 08:20:24 | Wembly | arnt ipk's just tar.gz? |
| 08:20:40 | rikkus | yes, they are |
| 08:20:44 | Wembly | herm.. |
| 08:21:10 | Wembly | odd |
| 08:21:18 | Wembly | cus gunzip dosnt seem to like it at all |
| 08:21:39 | Wembly | herm. |
| 08:21:42 | Wembly | *looks confuzzuled* |
| 08:23:51 | XavierXeon | Wembly: are you trying to extract new oz ipks ? |
| 08:28:31 | Wembly | yea |
| 08:28:36 | Wembly | iv kinda been outa the loop |
| 08:30:13 | XavierXeon | oz now uses new ipk format: its an ar archive conatining tar.gz's |
| 08:30:47 | Wembly | yea |
| 08:30:50 | Wembly | debian :) |
| 08:30:53 | Wembly | .deb's :) |
| 08:33:46 | XavierXeon | shopping time |
| 08:38:59 | mark | XavX|away: i ported it |
| 09:04:54 | Bovine | Anyone have _any_ idea what type of Chipset a "Mitac LBC03" Compact FlashII 802.11b card uses? :/ |
| 09:11:03 | XavierXeon | mark: do you know where i can find a ti85 manual ? (findong a rom was not very hard) |
| 09:24:52 | XavierXeon | mark found it : http://education.ti.com/us/product/tech/85/guide/guides.html |
| 09:37:17 | mark | XavX|away: ah, nice, thanks i was wondering about that :) |
| 09:58:04 | imm | hi |
| 10:03:23 | mark | hi imm |
| 10:06:14 | imm | hi mark |
| 10:06:30 | mark | deathly silence in here :) |
| 10:07:10 | imm | mark: do you have any plans to include knights in opie ? |
| 10:11:23 | mark | imm: not really. If i did that my income would go down the drain |
| 10:27:21 | imm | mark: also not in a few months ? :) |
| 10:28:31 | mark | imm: i dont really want to. I mean the idea is that I sell packaged binaries and you can download the source if you so wish |
| 10:31:47 | imm | mark: i see, butopie neads a chess |
| 10:53:22 | XavierXeon | imm: you can buy/compile knights and let run under opie |
| 10:54:10 | XavierXeon | finished backgammon gui |
| 10:56:24 | imm | XavierXeon: im the opie game dude :) |
| 10:57:35 | XavierXeon | imm: do youmean you are playing games under opie or are you responsible for the opie games ? |
| 10:58:14 | imm | XavierXeon: the later. i took care of the unmaintained opie games |
| 10:58:42 | imm | XavierXeon: most of them are unmaintained :) |
| 10:59:52 | XavierXeon | well either sunday or monday evening you can add another semi-maintained to your "collection" |
| 11:00:08 | imm | XavierXeon: cool ! |
| 11:00:21 | imm | XavierXeon: i like BG a lot ! |
| 11:00:38 | imm | XavierXeon: but i loose everytime against kbackgammon |
| 11:00:53 | hagbard3 | my ipaq boots fine on my serial console but on the ipaq its just a penguin and a blinking cursor, no output |
| 11:01:01 | imm | XavierXeon: i think it tweeks somehow ;) |
| 11:01:18 | XavierXeon | imm: atm there is no computer opponent, but i hope to have enabled it by monday. |
| 11:02:17 | imm | hagbard3: better try #handhelds.org |
| 11:02:44 | hagbard3 | that is a zzzzleping channel i havent found a good channel for linux ipaq |
| 11:02:59 | imm | hagbard3: wake them up :) |
| 11:03:18 | imm | XavierXeon: gnu bg is pretty big |
| 11:04:26 | XavierXeon | imm: i know. i had a look at gnu bg and kbackgammon code and deceided to do my own, because i am to stupid to use other peoples code |
| 11:05:50 | imm | XavierXeon: your own ai ? |
| 11:07:12 | XavierXeon | yep. i am already calculatin gall the moves, but the computer does not yet start a turn (rolling dice, movepieces according to odds) |
| 11:08:19 | imm | XavierXeon: nice ! |
| 11:37:16 | rikkus | there are a million backgammon engines around |
| 11:38:54 | imm | 2 projects found |
| 11:39:43 | rikkus | actually, there's a KDE client for gnu backgammon |
| 11:39:46 | rikkus | would be easy to port |
| 11:40:05 | imm | gnubg is realy big ! |
| 11:40:58 | rikkus | not a backgammon fan |
| 11:41:10 | rikkus | I played a seasoned player, and he taught me how to play during the first game |
| 11:41:14 | rikkus | I beat him in the second |
| 11:41:21 | rikkus | that's not a good game design :/ |
| 11:41:36 | imm | rikkus: there is a lot of luck, yes |
| 11:41:47 | imm | rikkus: better play chess |
| 11:41:56 | rikkus | no, I lose at chess :) |
| 11:42:14 | imm | rikkus: but what do you expect on a diece rolling game |
| 11:42:25 | imm | rikkus: doom ? |
| 11:42:35 | rikkus | :) |
| 11:42:39 | rikkus | doom I like |
| 11:43:06 | imm | rikkus: thats a nice family game for cold winter evenings :) |
| 11:43:16 | rikkus | yep |
| 11:43:30 | rikkus | blow your mother away, from behind, with a shotgun pointed at the back of her head |
| 11:43:40 | rikkus | always makes me laugh |
| 11:44:13 | imm | rikkus: did you try UT2003 ? |
| 11:44:25 | rikkus | no |
| 11:44:28 | rikkus | doesn't run on Linux |
| 11:44:39 | imm | rikkus: shure does |
| 11:44:41 | rikkus | at least, even if it did, I don't have good 3D support for my video card yet |
| 11:44:51 | rikkus | still waiting for the people contracted to write it to get it out |
| 11:45:35 | imm | rikkus: a gf2 mx is around 50$ |
| 11:45:41 | rikkus | so ? |
| 11:45:52 | rikkus | a gf2 doesn't do 2048xanything |
| 11:46:17 | imm | rikkus: then take a gf4 |
| 11:46:43 | rikkus | I don't think that does either |
| 11:46:45 | imm | rikkus: ati is just to dumb to produce decent drivers |
| 11:47:15 | rikkus | and why would I go buy a gf4 when it only has closed source drivers (which hang your box) and I already have a radeon 8500? |
| 11:47:27 | imm | wish the Z had a gf4 onboard |
| 11:48:51 | imm | rikkus: i have a radeon too |
| 11:48:52 | frankps | anyone that has knowledge in how to set up the wireless dlink card and basestation for the Zaurus? |
| 11:49:05 | frankps | I have not managed :-( |
| 11:51:00 | Cloudchaser | i don' t have a dlink access point, but i do have a dlink card |
| 11:51:13 | Cloudchaser | is the z the only thing you have a wireless card for? |
| 11:51:37 | Cloudchaser | you would set up the access point according to the instructions it comes with, as you would for any pc |
| 11:51:58 | frankps | Yes, have done that |
| 11:52:09 | Cloudchaser | what rom are you using? |
| 11:52:10 | frankps | z is the only system at the moment |
| 11:52:15 | frankps | latest |
| 11:52:20 | Cloudchaser | sharp rom? |
| 11:52:25 | frankps | yes |
| 11:52:31 | Cloudchaser | 2.38? |
| 11:52:43 | frankps | moment |
| 11:53:22 | frankps | 1,38 |
| 11:53:31 | Cloudchaser | ok so you have a 5000 |
| 11:53:41 | frankps | yes |
| 11:53:48 | Cloudchaser | ok you go into wireless Lan Setting |
| 11:54:05 | frankps | yes |
| 11:54:05 | Cloudchaser | set it for your essid or non-spec essid if your access point allows that |
| 11:54:14 | Cloudchaser | and infrastructure |
| 11:54:18 | Cloudchaser | for network typ |
| 11:54:20 | Cloudchaser | type |
| 11:54:28 | Cloudchaser | try it without wep first to get that working |
| 11:54:36 | frankps | non and infrastructure set |
| 11:54:47 | Cloudchaser | ok thats what mine is set for too |
| 11:54:53 | Cloudchaser | then go to network and sync |
| 11:55:03 | Cloudchaser | services tab |
| 11:55:13 | Cloudchaser | and set up LAN-TCP/IP service |
| 11:55:19 | Cloudchaser | add one |
| 11:55:30 | frankps | moment |
| 11:55:37 | frankps | have to remove web |
| 11:55:40 | frankps | on base |
| 11:55:46 | Cloudchaser | if you have dhcp server on your network you can get address automatically |
| 11:56:33 | frankps | I have dhco |
| 11:56:42 | frankps | ok disabled wep on base |
| 11:56:56 | Cloudchaser | ok did you add network service? |
| 11:57:06 | Cloudchaser | or had you already? |
| 11:57:26 | frankps | network should be set to dhcp |
| 11:58:07 | Cloudchaser | so its set on z to obtain tcp/ip information automatically? |
| 12:00:57 | Cloudchaser | frankps? |
| 12:07:34 | Cloudchaser | - |
| 12:08:51 | imm | is away: food |
| 12:16:39 | Cloudchaser | frankps: did you get it working? |
| 12:24:02 | ljp | hmmm |
| 12:24:34 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin ljp |
| 12:26:00 | ljp | hiya |
| 12:26:22 | Cloudchaser | how are you doing this morning? |
| 12:26:42 | ljp | coding |
| 12:26:50 | Cloudchaser | i'm hoping it doesn't rain so we can finish my front garden :) |
| 12:27:03 | ljp | heh.. I wish it would rain |
| 12:27:43 | Cloudchaser | i will want it to rain once i'm done ;) |
| 12:28:08 | ljp | heh.. probably start snowing |
| 12:28:10 | Cloudchaser | but the hubby is off today and he's the one doing the hard stuff.. i'm just helping him |
| 12:28:33 | ljp | uh huh.. you sure are a good helper for him chatting here on irc |
| 12:30:07 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp: you know how to update bk? |
| 12:30:42 | ljp | the bk tree? or the executable bk? |
| 12:31:00 | TheMasterMind1 | bk tree. i need to push some changes into the tree |
| 12:31:05 | TheMasterMind1 | and i'm clueless on how to do so |
| 12:32:09 | ljp | hmm me too. I dont know too much about bk.. might try man bk |
| 12:33:23 | TheMasterMind1 | there's a whole bunch of functions, but i can't figure em out.. bk commit bk ci bk push bk changeset |
| 12:33:28 | TheMasterMind1 | oh well |
| 12:33:33 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll just wait for kergoth |
| 12:33:44 | TheMasterMind1 | he has to add my rsa key for me to be able to update anyway |
| 12:34:57 | Cloudchaser | fooey, its looking like rain after all |
| 12:45:02 | mark | hi all |
| 12:45:27 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 12:45:39 | TheMasterMind1 | can you send me latest knights code? |
| 12:52:52 | Twiun | hey mark |
| 13:18:11 | imm | is back |
| 13:31:37 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:31:49 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin chouimat: |
| 13:31:54 | Twiun | heya |
| 13:32:02 | Cloudchaser | hiya Twiun: :) |
| 13:32:26 | Twiun | how goes things? |
| 13:34:45 | ljp | booya! |
| 13:35:00 | ljp | shh! george ds here |
| 13:35:12 | chouimat | Ok everybnody don't swear because George- will bick kicked |
| 13:35:26 | ljp | fart |
| 13:35:37 | chouimat | ljp: try F* |
| 13:35:45 | ljp | Fart |
| 13:35:49 | George- | oiy |
| 13:35:54 | chouimat | George-: hi |
| 13:36:08 | George- | hi chouimat |
| 13:36:19 | chouimat | George-: school? |
| 13:36:36 | ljp | George-: ever get the impression we are picking on you? |
| 13:36:41 | George- | of course ;) |
| 13:37:03 | TheMasterMind1 | fuck |
| 13:37:07 | chouimat | shit! 138 spams lastnight |
| 13:37:17 | TheMasterMind1 | chouimat: what do you use? hotmail? |
| 13:37:44 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: no kmail, but that was my spam folder |
| 13:37:52 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 13:38:23 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: spamassassin work well :) |
| 13:38:35 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 13:38:36 | George- | stop.it. |
| 13:38:46 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 13:38:48 | TheMasterMind1 | that's hilarious |
| 13:38:51 | TheMasterMind1 | why does it do that? |
| 13:38:54 | TheMasterMind1 | what irc client? |
| 13:38:56 | George- | I'll have to make my own CGI IRC client that filters out rude words :( |
| 13:39:22 | George- | TheMasterMind1: Cos I'm at school, and we aren't allowed to view swear words and the browser dies |
| 13:39:36 | rikkus | George-: ah, yes, that's f'in funny |
| 13:40:00 | rikkus | I seem to remember spending about half an hour saying rude words to make George get kicked of the server |
| 13:40:03 | rikkus | er, off |
| 13:40:04 | chouimat | rikkus: very funny |
| 13:40:32 | George- | yeh, well don't |
| 13:40:38 | rikkus | I won't |
| 13:40:43 | rikkus | in fact, if you remember, it wasn't me who did it |
| 13:40:50 | George- | i dunno |
| 13:40:57 | George- | The client dies before I see what happens. |
| 13:41:00 | chouimat | rikkus: so we can't write the Python's Usage of the word F*** |
| 13:41:03 | TheMasterMind1 | George-: rofl! |
| 13:41:10 | George- | shut it |
| 13:41:18 | rikkus | chouimat: nope |
| 13:41:22 | TheMasterMind1 | thats fucking hilarious |
| 13:41:29 | TheMasterMind1 | oops |
| 13:41:40 | rikkus | groans |
| 13:41:41 | chouimat | hehehe |
| 13:42:27 | George- | STOP IT |
| 13:42:31 | ljp | hahaha |
| 13:43:06 | rikkus | points to TheMasterMind1. George, it was that fckunig cntu |
| 13:43:26 | mjn3 | would someone with an sd card mind running a quick test for me? |
| 13:43:48 | George- | thx |
| 13:43:52 | George- | please use fsck :) |
| 13:43:56 | rikkus | George-: want me to set up a socket proxy that obfuscates 'bad words' ? :) |
| 13:44:02 | George- | YES! |
| 13:44:03 | chouimat | George-: my disk are ok |
| 13:44:13 | George- | including h@ck (spelt properly) |
| 13:44:17 | rikkus | wow |
| 13:44:18 | George- | that's (for some stupid reason) banned |
| 13:44:30 | rikkus | I have a terrible h@cking cough ? |
| 13:44:41 | George- | ??? |
| 13:44:51 | rikkus | hmm, perhaps that's not used in the US |
| 13:44:56 | chouimat | George-: hack don't work? |
| 13:45:01 | George- | uhh? |
| 13:45:05 | George- | I'm still online |
| 13:45:08 | George- | ok, it's OK :) |
| 13:45:27 | rikkus | hack hacking hacker hacked hackarama |
| 13:45:37 | rikkus | sorry, had to test |
| 13:45:47 | ljp | how about crack? |
| 13:45:56 | rikkus | that's probably not filtered |
| 13:45:57 | TheMasterMind1 | cocaine |
| 13:46:02 | George- | I dunno |
| 13:46:03 | rikkus | would be too easy to get wrong |
| 13:46:07 | George- | hehe |
| 13:46:08 | ljp | tits |
| 13:46:09 | George- | Anyway |
| 13:46:14 | George- | I'm going home tomorrow |
| 13:46:15 | chouimat | boobs |
| 13:46:16 | TheMasterMind1 | sex clit cum dick |
| 13:46:21 | rikkus | TheMasterMind1: uuuh |
| 13:46:32 | George- | I'll be on my trusty 56k connection, as opposed to an evil 3Mbps |
| 13:46:34 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, none of those either eh |
| 13:46:38 | chouimat | motherfucker |
| 13:46:38 | rikkus | cool |
| 13:46:50 | rikkus | thinks it's broken |
| 13:46:54 | TheMasterMind1 | fuck |
| 13:47:19 | rikkus | perhaps not |
| 13:47:52 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 07:14:50) |
| 13:48:37 | George- | STOP IT |
| 13:49:05 | rikkus | George W. Bush !!!! |
| 13:49:16 | imm | MarkNovak |
| 13:49:22 | George- | ... |
| 13:49:28 | chouimat | ass |
| 13:49:34 | rikkus | Right wing capitalism is great ! |
| 13:49:51 | rikkus | Let's bomb Iraq so we get their oil cheap ! |
| 13:50:05 | rikkus | hmm, obviously it has a different concept of offensive to me |
| 13:50:33 | imm | f |
| 13:50:33 | imm | u |
| 13:50:34 | imm | c |
| 13:50:35 | imm | k |
| 13:50:43 | chouimat | imm: hehe |
| 13:50:54 | rikkus | I like to take my mother from behind |
| 13:50:54 | imm | f u c k |
| 13:51:09 | rikkus | George likes to take me from behind |
| 13:51:11 | chouimat | strap-on dildo |
| 13:51:29 | imm | slut |
| 13:51:33 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 13:51:35 | rikkus | chouimat: looks like that works |
| 13:51:51 | Twiun | any particular reason, or just because it's the weekend? |
| 13:51:54 | chouimat | rikkus: which one dildo? or strap-on? |
| 13:51:57 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 13:52:08 | rikkus | chouimat: dunno, better try them separately ;) |
| 13:52:13 | chouimat | dildo |
| 13:52:19 | imm | :) |
| 13:52:29 | imm | so strap-on ? |
| 13:52:32 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 13:52:33 | rikkus | nope, dildo |
| 13:52:34 | TheMasterMind1 | dildo |
| 13:52:40 | Twiun | hmmm... this looks interesting: |
| 13:52:44 | imm | fucking dildo |
| 13:52:45 | Twiun | System.loadLibrary("evmawt"); |
| 13:52:45 | Twiun | String string |
| 13:52:46 | Twiun | = System.getProperty("com.insignia.opera.plugin", "false"); |
| 13:52:46 | Twiun | boolean bool = Boolean.valueOf(string).booleanValue(); |
| 13:52:46 | Twiun | initIDs(bool); |
| 13:52:50 | rikkus | dildo is actually not a 'bad word' in the UK |
| 13:52:51 | ljp | poor george |
| 13:52:58 | rikkus | people use it on the TV all the time, before the watershed |
| 13:53:14 | Twiun | I wonder if settion that property is all that is required to get embedded applets in opera... |
| 13:53:16 | rikkus | I've even heard my parents use it, and they're really conservative when it comes to vocabulary |
| 13:53:23 | chouimat | rikkus: but the use of it .... |
| 13:53:40 | rikkus | chouimat: can it mean something other than 'fake penis' ? |
| 13:53:48 | chouimat | rikkus: nope |
| 13:54:22 | | OK, imm. |
| 13:54:22 | imm | ibot fake penis is a dildo |
| 13:54:32 | | somebody said fake penis was a dildo |
| 13:54:32 | imm | ibot fake penis |
| 13:54:39 | | OK, Twiun. |
| 13:54:39 | Twiun | ibot: dildo is a fake penis |
| 13:54:44 | | OK, rikkus. |
| 13:54:44 | rikkus | ibot, George is fuck shit dildo |
| 13:54:48 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 13:54:53 | | George is fuck shit dildo |
| 13:54:53 | chouimat | ibot George |
| 13:54:59 | TheMasterMind1 | who is george? |
| 13:55:06 | TheMasterMind1 | what is george? |
| 13:55:12 | TheMasterMind1 | what george? |
| 13:55:12 | rikkus | ~George |
| 13:55:16 | TheMasterMind1 | hm |
| 13:55:17 | TheMasterMind1 | pos bot |
| 13:55:27 | chouimat | TheMasterMind1: a 14yrs geek |
| 13:55:40 | TheMasterMind1 | what is openzaurus? |
| 13:55:43 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 13:55:45 | TheMasterMind1 | it was working last night |
| 13:56:48 | | OK, imm. |
| 13:56:48 | imm | ibot teletubby is a green fucker with a dildo on its head |
| 13:57:59 | chouimat | imm: hehe, will be handy next time we will see George :) |
| 13:58:25 | imm | chouimat: yep :) |
| 13:58:59 | imm | chouimat: what can we do if ibot says such bad things ? |
| 13:59:28 | imm | George: ping |
| 13:59:58 | | fusion94 was last seen on #zaurus 22 hours, 8 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: the proper code is ID 10 T [Fri Sep 20 16:51:21 2002] |
| 13:59:58 | BigBoss | ibot seen fusion94 |
| 14:01:23 | chouimat | hehe just received that spam: ADD 3 to 5 inches overnight! And it's work just send us 59.99 and we will send you the next issue of Hustler .... |
| 14:02:06 | imm | chouimat: George shurly _NOT_ received that ! |
| 14:02:25 | chouimat | imm::) |
| 14:12:11 | mjn3 | trying again... would anyone with an sd card be willing to run a quick test for me? i'm trying to get a rough idea of read/write speed to compare vs an mmc card |
| 14:16:07 | ljp | what test? |
| 14:17:14 | chouimat | mjn3: search on google |
| 14:17:28 | mjn3 | ljp: two quick tests actually. just doing dd to and from the card and checking times |
| 14:17:51 | mjn3 | chouimat: thank you. i did that last night |
| 14:19:02 | chouimat | mjn3: got a speed comparaison of the two on the palm |
| 14:19:16 | mjn3 | ljp: read test... read 10Mb straight from the device and output to /dev/null |
| 14:19:28 | mjn3 | date ; dd if=/dev/mmcda1 of=/dev/null bs=10240 count=1024 ; date |
| 14:20:49 | mjn3 | ljp: write test... write 10Mb to a dummy file "testfile" |
| 14:20:53 | mjn3 | date ; dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/card/testfile bs=1024 count=1024 ; sync ; date |
| 14:21:56 | mjn3 | on the mmc card i have, read is about 277k/sec and write is about 79k/sec. |
| 14:49:59 | Onyx4 | mjn3: you could use also "lmdd" which gives you the speed directly |
| 14:50:03 | Onyx4 | http://www.bitmover.com/lmbench/lmdd.8.html |
| 14:58:11 | mjn3 | Onyx4: thank you. i'll try that. i was just surprised by the numbers bonnie was showing me last night. the dd test above was something i knew anybody could run on a stock machine |
| 15:17:02 | KGBudz- | does the zaurus support full duplex audio? |
| 15:17:33 | mjn3 | for anyone interested, here are some rough read/write speed numbers |
| 15:17:36 | mjn3 | cf read/write > 2Mb/sec |
| 15:17:36 | mjn3 | sd read 570k/sec, write 220k/sec (approx) |
| 15:17:36 | mjn3 | mmc read 275k/sec, write 80k/sec (approx) |
| 15:17:39 | KGBudz- | record and playback at the same time? |
| 15:19:32 | KGBudz- | anyone? |
| 15:19:54 | BigBoss | wow, mmc is a lot faster than sd |
| 15:20:04 | BigBoss | oh wait, slower |
| 15:20:11 | KGBudz- | ya, sd is faster |
| 15:20:19 | BigBoss | that's a huge difference |
| 15:20:23 | KGBudz- | i thought zaurus doesnt use sd |
| 15:20:25 | BigBoss | i thought mmc would be faster |
| 15:20:30 | BigBoss | yes it does, both sd and cf |
| 15:21:40 | KGBudz- | but it doesnt use the sd cards as secure digital |
| 15:21:51 | KGBudz- | i thought... |
| 15:22:03 | treke|ho1e | KGBudz-: it just ignore the drm crap |
| 15:22:12 | KGBudz- | drm? |
| 15:22:20 | treke|ho1e | and doesnt support non memory card cards |
| 15:22:47 | treke|ho1e | the copy protection |
| 15:22:51 | KGBudz- | ya |
| 15:22:59 | KGBudz- | it doesnt do encryption or that stuff |
| 15:23:37 | KGBudz- | so it uses the sd cards like plain flash mem |
| 15:26:01 | W|GGL|T | damn...big difference between cf and sd |
| 15:26:17 | KGBudz- | anyone know if zaurus can record and playback audio at same time? |
| 15:27:45 | mjn3 | i haven't tried anything involving audio on the Z yet. sorry |
| 15:47:12 | | imm was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 45 minutes and 6 seconds ago, saying: chouimat: George shurly _NOT_ received that ! [Sat Sep 21 15:02:06 2002] |
| 15:47:12 | anseror | ibot seen imm |
| 15:47:34 | anseror | has anyone heard anything about the contest Z's? |
| 15:47:38 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 15:47:40 | TheMasterMind1 | READ THE WEBSITE |
| 15:47:45 | | contest is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 15:47:45 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot contest |
| 15:47:50 | | challenge is, like, http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 15:47:50 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot challenge |
| 15:47:58 | wurzeli | has another annoying problem |
| 15:48:07 | chouimat | anseror: hi |
| 15:48:07 | | okay, TheMasterMind1. |
| 15:48:07 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot challenge is also NEW: UPDATE ON WEBSITE - SHIPPING DELAYED |
| 15:48:18 | anseror | how was i supposed to know? it hadn't been updated in a month. |
| 15:48:25 | | okay, TheMasterMind1. |
| 15:48:25 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot contest is also NEW: UPDATE ON CHALLENGE WEBSITE - SHIPPING DELAYED |
| 15:49:09 | wurzeli | hasn't got the buffalo card working at all on the Z 5500G with german ROM 1.38 |
| 15:49:17 | wurzeli | not even without WEB |
| 15:49:17 | anseror | chouimat: hello. |
| 15:49:20 | wurzeli | WEP |
| 15:49:28 | | webring is, like, the Zaurus WebRing and it is located at http://W.webring.com/hub?ring=zaurussl5x00webr. Please consider joining the effort to organize Zaurus resources |
| 15:49:28 | W|GGL|T | ibot webring |
| 15:50:10 | wurzeli | it looks as if the Z wouldn't be able to initialize the card correctly |
| 15:50:50 | wurzeli | it knows it has a cf-card inserted, but doesn't seem to know what its for except memory |
| 15:51:13 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 15:51:23 | wurzeli | the shop where I got the Z told me it might be a hardware problem with my Z |
| 15:51:58 | | wifi is see wireless |
| 15:51:58 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot wifi |
| 15:52:03 | | wireless is The Z supports most prism2 compact flash based wireless 802.11b cards as well as a few others, see http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport or or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml |
| 15:52:03 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot wireless |
| 15:52:06 | TheMasterMind1 | read those links |
| 15:52:15 | TheMasterMind1 | it should tell you how to get it working |
| 15:52:24 | wurzeli | I read those to no effect |
| 15:52:48 | XavierXeon | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=558 <-- beta testers welcome. also available at the webring :) |
| 15:54:16 | wurzeli | so they might be right about the hardware problem, cause we got the card working without problems in another Zaurus |
| 15:55:07 | XavierXeon | wurzeli: got my buffalo working on my SL-5550G without any problem |
| 15:55:27 | Twiun | XavierXeon: looks nice... Qt/E? |
| 15:56:19 | wurzeli | they told me to get a new Zaurus, because they assumed that mine is the one that is the problem, since the card works elsewhere without problems |
| 15:57:03 | XavierXeon | Twiun: yes |
| 15:57:03 | wurzeli | they think one of the functions pins for the cf might not be properly connected or something like that |
| 15:57:41 | XavierXeon | wurzeli: tried to send your z for repair ? |
| 15:58:22 | XavierXeon | W|GGL|T: ibots webring link is broken |
| 15:58:49 | wurzeli | no TriSoft told me just get to Saturn where I bought it, and get a new one, instead of having none for at least a week |
| 15:59:23 | W|GGL|T | damn |
| 15:59:25 | XavierXeon | wurzeli: going to Saturn is worth a try |
| 15:59:32 | wurzeli | so I'll be doing that |
| 15:59:44 | XavierXeon | W|GGL|T: i think its the dot after the url |
| 16:00:03 | wurzeli | thanks folks |
| 16:00:39 | wurzeli | see you again some time :) |
| 16:00:44 | | webring is probably the Zaurus WebRing and it is located at http://W.webring.com/hub?ring=zaurussl5x00webr . Please consider joining the effort to organize Zaurus resources |
| 16:00:44 | W|GGL|T | ibot webring |
| 16:00:50 | W|GGL|T | heheh |
| 16:00:53 | W|GGL|T | thx XavierXeon |
| 16:01:02 | XavierXeon | mp |
| 16:01:08 | XavierXeon | err ... np |
| 16:01:16 | wurzeli | :) |
| 16:01:42 | XavierXeon | needs a break now |
| 16:02:05 | XavierXeon | coding all day sucks if your chair is killing you :( |
| 16:09:23 | | hmmm... George is fuck shit dildo |
| 16:09:23 | chouimat | ibot George |
| 16:09:31 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 16:16:29 | KeyserSoze | has a Zaurus! |
| 16:16:35 | KeyserSoze | just arrived in the mail! |
| 16:26:00 | erikd | keyser: w00t! |
| 16:26:18 | erikd | and now the inproductivity begins |
| 16:29:09 | tboc | hi |
| 16:30:44 | wazlaf | hi tboc |
| 16:33:39 | tboc | btw. how do i save a link as a document with konqueror? i guess right-click won't work ;) |
| 16:33:57 | treke|ho1e | you dont :) |
| 16:34:11 | tboc | ah =) |
| 16:34:28 | tboc | anyone working on this 'feature'? |
| 16:41:13 | NoGoodNick | hi |
| 16:44:38 | NoGoodNick | Very quiet in here today. |
| 16:46:32 | NoGoodNick | br##: hi |
| 16:46:41 | NoGoodNick | br33zy: hi |
| 16:46:52 | br33zy | moo |
| 16:47:10 | NoGoodNick | :-) |
| 16:47:43 | NoGoodNick | gotta zaurus? I love mine, although I've only had it for about two weeks |
| 16:48:46 | W|GGL|T | NoGoodNick: how do you use yours? PIM or more like a handheld computer that you hack? |
| 16:50:23 | NoGoodNick | Well, I've been using Linux for a few years now, so I didn't want a PDA that was Palm or worse. I waited until one showed up that looked like it was going to be successful, and went for it. |
| 16:51:06 | NoGoodNick | I haven't donw much more that the basic PIM stuff, MP3s, and downloads off the internet. |
| 16:52:28 | W|GGL|T | yeah...about like me then |
| 16:52:41 | NoGoodNick | I've added an expense tracker, the PIF reader, unit converter, stuff like that. |
| 16:53:04 | W|GGL|T | although i just started using mine as an nfs client with my nfs server (mp3s) |
| 16:53:31 | NoGoodNick | How long have you had yours? |
| 16:54:18 | NoGoodNick | through the USB? |
| 16:54:25 | W|GGL|T | 5 months |
| 16:56:01 | NoGoodNick | W|GGL|T: what distro do you use on your home computer? |
| 16:59:24 | NoGoodNick | W|GGL|T: what distro do you use on your home computer? |
| 17:00:13 | TheMasterMind1 | DEBIAN! |
| 17:02:49 | treke|ho1e | Windows! |
| 17:03:38 | NoGoodNick | I use mandrake 8.2 here mostly, but I guess I have to recompile the kernal for the Zaurus to be recognized. |
| 17:03:54 | NoGoodNick | or else keep using windows too. |
| 17:04:06 | Twiun | I didn't need to |
| 17:04:22 | Twiun | under mandrake 8.2, it's actually very simple to get the Z networked |
| 17:04:34 | Twiun | no recompilation needed |
| 17:04:36 | NoGoodNick | really twiun? |
| 17:04:43 | Twiun | yup |
| 17:04:52 | NoGoodNick | do tell, please |
| 17:05:03 | Twiun | all I needed was a script called ifcfg-usb0: |
| 17:05:20 | Twiun | DEVICE=usb0 |
| 17:05:20 | Twiun | IPADDR=192.168.129.200 |
| 17:05:20 | Twiun | NETMASK=255.255.255.0 |
| 17:05:20 | Twiun | NETWORK=192.168.129.0 |
| 17:05:20 | Twiun | # If you're having problems with gated making 127.0.0.0/8 a martian, |
| 17:05:21 | Twiun | # you can change this to something else (255.255.255.255, for example) |
| 17:05:23 | Twiun | BROADCAST=192.168.129.255 |
| 17:05:25 | Twiun | ONBOOT=yes |
| 17:05:27 | Twiun | NAME=usbNet |
| 17:05:29 | Twiun | BOOTPROTO=static |
| 17:05:39 | Twiun | and I stuck that under /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts |
| 17:06:39 | Twiun | I think that was about it... |
| 17:06:51 | NoGoodNick | can you access the qtopia desktop software with that configuration? |
| 17:07:07 | Twiun | I'd imagine so... haven't tried in a while |
| 17:07:16 | Twiun | lemme download it again |
| 17:07:57 | inomine | is the qtopia sync software compatiple with opie? |
| 17:08:38 | Twiun | that I can't answer - I'm still on a stock rom |
| 17:08:39 | NoGoodNick | dunno |
| 17:10:14 | NoGoodNick | I haven't tried to upgrade the ROM either. I have a fear of trashing the thing. |
| 17:10:38 | Twiun | oh, I've upgraded... I just can't go to OZ until java is there... |
| 17:11:37 | Keyser[away] | Twiun: I thought you could put jeode on with OZ? |
| 17:12:06 | Twiun | Keyser[away]: you probably can, I just haven't tried it |
| 17:12:30 | Twiun | NoGoodNick: yup, I've got qtopia desktop connected without a hitch |
| 17:12:30 | NoGoodNick | Twiun: have any advice about the ROM upgrade process? |
| 17:12:46 | NoGoodNick | great :-) |
| 17:12:46 | Twiun | NoGoodNick: follow the instructions ;-) |
| 17:13:05 | Keyser[away] | Twiun: on http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/? |
| 17:13:42 | Keyser[away] | doesn't seem like openzaurus.org is working. |
| 17:13:48 | NoGoodNick | Who's instructions though? Someone said the upgrade has to be proformed from the CF card, and others say you can do it through the cradle |
| 17:14:34 | Twiun | NoGoodNick: I think it depends on your model.... my 5000d gets done from CF... |
| 17:14:44 | | somebody said OZ was see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ |
| 17:14:44 | Twiun | ibot: OZ |
| 17:14:50 | | well, openzaurus is an alternative linux distribution for the Sharp SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net. Also ask me about oz3 feed, oz faq, and oz bk. |
| 17:14:50 | Twiun | ibot: openzaurus |
| 17:15:00 | | Twiun: excuse me? |
| 17:15:00 | Twiun | ibot: oz3 |
| 17:15:06 | | i think oz faq is http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ |
| 17:15:06 | Twiun | ibot: oz faq |
| 17:18:15 | TheMasterMind1 | NoGoodNick: if you're flashing oz or have a 5000d, you need a CF |
| 17:18:26 | TheMasterMind1 | you can flash the latest sharp 5500 rom via the cradle |
| 17:18:30 | TheMasterMind1 | thats it |
| 17:20:33 | NoGoodNick | TheMasterMind1: I have the latest Zaurus, and tried to flash via the cradle, and it locked up at the white Zaurus screen. It was inoperable from that point, but luckly, I brought it back to Staples for an exchange. |
| 17:20:59 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, the cradle flashing is not so great |
| 17:21:01 | TheMasterMind1 | use a cf |
| 17:21:09 | TheMasterMind1 | i did a cradle flash once and it worked fine |
| 17:21:18 | TheMasterMind1 | if it does scrwe up, you can reflash it and it should work again |
| 17:22:29 | NoGoodNick | TheMasterMind1: if it locks up, how do I reflash? |
| 17:22:45 | W|GGL|T | NoGoodNick: slackware 8.1 |
| 17:22:50 | TheMasterMind1 | same as how you reflash normally... |
| 17:23:16 | Twiun | NoGoodNick: a CF card reader is also quite handy... |
| 17:23:52 | NoGoodNick | The fist time I tried to flash, she went to the white screen, and couldn't be accessed from the cradle |
| 17:27:13 | TheMasterMind1 | so use a CF |
| 17:27:17 | TheMasterMind1 | cradle flashing is icky |
| 17:28:48 | NoGoodNick | yeah, I think it needs the bugs to be worked out. Where do I aquire the ROM image to place on the CF? The setup I have now is a downloaded CD that runs a exe file under windows, through the cradle. |
| 17:32:07 | NoGoodNick | I have to leave. :-( dinner with the inlaws tonight, and I need a haircut. C-ya later |
| 17:37:55 | kryhme | keyzer, i see you got your Z... you try anything with it yet? |
| 17:54:57 | Keyser[away] | kryhme: just using the Sharp apps. |
| 17:55:09 | Keyser[away] | oops, guess no one is here now. |
| 17:55:17 | Keyser[away] | anyway, I'm curious. |
| 17:55:32 | Keyser[away] | do i need CF to reflash the rom? or would an SD card work the same way? |
| 18:04:22 | mantus | anyone know of a p2p app that runs on the zaurus? |
| 18:06:23 | code_pupil | anyone know a list of supported/working WIFI cards? |
| 18:07:18 | mantus | anything that linux supports theoreticly (i know prism2 based cards work well) |
| 18:07:57 | scanline | is away: playing pool |
| 18:08:57 | kryhme | code: pretty much everything supported by the basic wlan-ng drivers which covers a lot, are the most standard, and there is plenty of other support out there for many many more cards |
| 18:09:45 | br33zy | mooo |
| 18:10:43 | br33zy | moo |
| 18:11:18 | mantus | o, is it possible to del /tmp so i can ln it to /mnt/card/tmp? |
| 18:12:46 | myuu | if you do, i would probably do it in console mantus |
| 18:13:29 | code_pupil | kryhme: thanks |
| 18:13:35 | mantus | well, i cant just rm /tmp cuz its always in use |
| 18:16:13 | mantus | would like to see a initrd that sets up the sd card as root |
| 18:17:25 | mantus | would even send someone a 64MB SD Card to make one. |
| 18:20:01 | yshurik | hi all |
| 18:20:50 | mantus | yo |
| 18:21:08 | kryhme | mantus: if the sd card was the root, what would you mount everything else as? |
| 18:22:40 | kryhme | if the sd card was / , i'd hate to see what happens if you take it out while it's powered on |
| 18:23:02 | mantus | bad things i imagine |
| 18:23:12 | mantus | i wouldnt take it out though |
| 18:23:24 | kryhme | hell no |
| 18:24:13 | mantus | i just like 64MB of ram as system memory |
| 18:24:43 | chouimat | wonders if opie is portable to the dreamcast |
| 18:24:44 | mantus | and / is really running short on space even though i install everything to SD |
| 18:25:03 | numatrix|z | seen TheMasterMind1: you ther |
| 18:25:06 | numatrix|z | argh |
| 18:25:19 | kryhme | mantus: you running OZ? |
| 18:25:20 | numatrix|z | TheMasterMind1: you there? |
| 18:25:35 | mantus | kryhme: yea |
| 18:25:51 | kryhme | numatrix: i haven't seen him around in awhile |
| 18:25:53 | Harlekin | chouimat: sure why not |
| 18:25:57 | mantus | aside from a couple bugs its nice |
| 18:26:02 | numatrix|z | kryhme: thanks |
| 18:26:06 | kryhme | np |
| 18:26:18 | chouimat | Harlekin: that will make a nice net appliance :) |
| 18:26:26 | kryhme | mantus: i haven't had my Z for that one, but i definitley want to try it out soon |
| 18:26:32 | Harlekin | chouimat: should be real easy |
| 18:26:38 | kryhme | oz that is |
| 18:26:49 | Harlekin | chouimat: actually recompile |
| 18:27:00 | chouimat | Harlekin: must get a dreamcast before doing this :) |
| 18:27:09 | Harlekin | adapt some stuff (hardware - no battery etc) |
| 18:27:17 | Harlekin | and input, mouse handling |
| 18:27:18 | numatrix|z | anybody else in here tried moving mtdram to a hidden directory to reduce the document crazyness? |
| 18:27:32 | chouimat | Harlekin: exactly |
| 18:27:43 | mantus | kryhme: just make sure your CF is FAT 16 ... anything else will cause your zaurus to not function properly |
| 18:27:51 | numatrix|z | Harlekin: you going to port familiar to DC? |
| 18:28:05 | kryhme | mantus: thanks for the tip |
| 18:28:11 | Harlekin | numatrix|z: if you send me one |
| 18:28:35 | kryhme | is there a difference between a SSID and an ESSID, or are they the same thing |
| 18:28:41 | chouimat | numatrix|z: no I just want to have qtopia/opie on the DC :) |
| 18:29:58 | numatrix|z | Harlekin: you are in germany, right? |
| 18:30:42 | numatrix|z | Harlekin: otherwise, I'd consider it. I rarely use my DC these days. Even have a kb. |
| 18:30:48 | Harlekin | numatrix|z: yes |
| 18:30:55 | Harlekin | ,-) |
| 18:30:59 | Harlekin | numatrix|z: just do it yourself |
| 18:31:03 | Harlekin | get linux on dc |
| 18:31:07 | Harlekin | then compile opie for it |
| 18:31:08 | Harlekin | start it |
| 18:32:05 | numatrix|z | Harlekin: Hmmm. You know, thats not a bad idea. chouimat, you willing to mess around with it some? I bet I could talk Anseor into it. |
| 18:32:24 | numatrix|z | brb--moving laundry along |
| 18:33:05 | chouimat | numatrix|z: need to get a DC before starting, well I'm going to search pawnshop and ebay |
| 18:33:44 | Harlekin | chouimat: hardest task will be to get a cross toolchain |
| 18:33:51 | Harlekin | or a nativ on the dc and hten a big hd |
| 18:34:06 | Harlekin | then getting qt to compile cleanly |
| 18:34:09 | Harlekin | and then opie |
| 18:34:27 | chouimat | Harlekin: NetBSD/dreamcast :) |
| 18:35:01 | chouimat | Harlekin: www.netbsd.org/Ports/dreamcast |
| 18:35:02 | Bala | the toolchain is easy |
| 18:35:40 | Harlekin | chouimat: using not linux is a problem too |
| 18:36:35 | chouimat | Harlekin: I'm speaking of the toolchain |
| 18:36:41 | Bala | http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT7466555948.html << good article on building the DC toolchain |
| 18:39:07 | Harlekin | wasnt there a debian/dreamcast |
| 18:40:34 | akawaka | hmmm |
| 18:41:00 | chouimat | Harlekin: there a debian port on the SH |
| 18:41:03 | akawaka | do i need anything but a cd-r to do dc devel? |
| 18:42:15 | chouimat | akawaka: special serail cable, if you have problem with the cd-r |
| 18:51:15 | KGBudz | has anyone here tried recording audio while doing wireless transfers |
| 18:52:39 | KGBudz | im getting clicking sounds |
| 18:59:07 | jbardin | anyone know a qt widget that supports 'rotation' ? |
| 19:01:14 | treke|ho1e | jbardin: wgat do you mean? |
| 19:02:08 | jbardin | like say i have a 'cannon' that i want to 'rotate' to aim it ? |
| 19:02:37 | treke|ho1e | ah yes |
| 19:02:42 | treke|ho1e | use a QRotatingCanon widget |
| 19:02:45 | jbardin | how would i do that.. like it would be nice if the cannon was a nice pixmap or something and i could just lay the texture over some sort of sprite that i could rotate and what not |
| 19:03:03 | jbardin | treke, i should have thought about that... |
| 19:03:27 | treke|ho1e | I would guess a QCanvas is what you want |
| 19:05:24 | jbardin | yea.. there is a QCanvasSprite class, but it doesnt support rotation |
| 19:05:59 | mutexer | you could animate to rotate..I know thats probably not what you want |
| 19:07:05 | treke|ho1e | jbardin: use evas? :) |
| 19:07:38 | jbardin | evas? |
| 19:08:12 | Bala | i'd use a QCanvasSprite and a QCanvasPixmapArray... |
| 19:08:24 | Bala | but im lazy :) |
| 19:08:58 | treke|ho1e | jbardin: maybe use a QCanvas sprite and rotate it yourself, then cache the rotated resykt |
| 19:09:02 | treke|ho1e | result |
| 19:09:33 | treke|ho1e | so you dont have to rerotate every time |
| 19:09:44 | jbardin | hmm |
| 19:12:26 | Bala | if you put all the rotations in the PixmapArray then just setFrame() each time you change direction. |
| 19:14:04 | jbardin | i think i will use a QPainter widget.. i can load a pixmap into that |
| 19:14:29 | jbardin | and there is a rotate option... and since it doesnt need to be part of the canvase for collision detection and all it should work |
| 19:15:28 | treke|ho1e | beware, the rotation and scaling in QT is pretty slow |
| 19:15:45 | treke|ho1e | I would have thought they'd spend more time optimizing it for systems without fpus |
| 19:16:00 | jbardin | interesting... |
| 19:16:29 | jbardin | i suppose should read up on integer meth then |
| 19:24:08 | kryhme | or crystal meth |
| 19:24:16 | kryhme | that might be more fun to read about |
| 19:24:45 | jbardin | true |
| 19:24:47 | kryhme | i've been playing prBoom a lot latley, i hope i don't wear out the buttons on my Z |
| 19:24:56 | jbardin | might also help out with the code a bit |
| 19:30:27 | angry | lol QRotatingCanon ;) </delayed joke reaction> |
| 19:39:42 | angry | has anyone tried ut2003 demo in linux yet? |
| 19:40:52 | imm | angry: yep |
| 19:40:58 | angry | imm: how is it |
| 19:41:06 | angry | imm: does it support your hardware acceleration? |
| 19:41:28 | imm | angry: yes, it plays nice in 800x600 on af gf2 mx |
| 19:41:44 | imm | angry: but i think for more you nead a better card |
| 19:41:49 | angry | schweeet :) |
| 19:42:09 | imm | angry: its perfect stable ! |
| 19:42:27 | angry | awesome |
| 19:42:39 | angry | probably even more stable than with windows running in the background :0 |
| 19:42:42 | angry | * ;) |
| 19:42:48 | imm | angry: :) |
| 19:43:05 | imm | angry: if you are a gamer it will be worth every cent |
| 19:43:33 | nadav | how much is it? |
| 19:43:34 | angry | is taking a liking to BZFlag lately ;) |
| 19:44:21 | imm | angry: i wont buy it cause i get ill if i play such 3d stuff :( |
| 19:45:48 | angry | not sure if i'd play it much |
| 19:45:53 | angry | i'm d/ling hte demo though |
| 19:59:41 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 6 hours, 15 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [Sat Sep 21 14:43:51 2002] |
| 19:59:41 | tux_mike | ibot seen warmi |
| 20:03:58 | ljp | secret |
| 20:07:11 | numatrix|z | Harlekin: there already exist cross toolchains for the DC, iirc. |
| 20:10:37 | numatrix|z | loves football again... |
| 20:11:32 | oGMo | gah, what's the site in japan with the zaurus stuff |
| 20:11:38 | oGMo | like the keycodes |
| 20:11:43 | oGMo | er mappings |
| 20:13:46 | | oGMo: huh? |
| 20:13:46 | oGMo | ibot: key mappings |
| 20:13:59 | oGMo | good |
| 20:14:34 | | OK, oGMo. |
| 20:14:34 | oGMo | ibot: key mappings are at http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/doc/pdf/SL5000KeyAssign.pdf |
| 20:20:44 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix: yo |
| 20:28:28 | Speedy2 | re all |
| 20:28:35 | myuu | =/ |
| 20:40:18 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh. cmatrix is kickass.. matrix in a terminal |
| 20:40:40 | fusion94 | bah |
| 20:40:54 | fusion94 | the tip of my stylus is stuck in the stulus slot |
| 20:41:19 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 20:41:23 | TheMasterMind1 | how |
| 20:41:28 | fusion94 | anyone got any suggestions ? |
| 20:41:40 | Speedy2 | Takzing a Z apart isn't too hard. |
| 20:41:44 | fusion94 | they only thing i can think of is it was loose and somehow cam unscrewed |
| 20:42:00 | TheMasterMind1 | well |
| 20:42:04 | TheMasterMind1 | stick the rest of it back in there |
| 20:42:07 | TheMasterMind1 | and screw it back on |
| 20:42:10 | TheMasterMind1 | twist! |
| 20:45:36 | ljp | send it to Sharp for repairs |
| 20:47:13 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:47:23 | TheMasterMind1 | my paint is like scraping off |
| 20:47:25 | TheMasterMind1 | its pissing me off |
| 20:50:34 | scanline | is back (gone 02:42:37) |
| 20:52:09 | fusion94 | hah |
| 20:52:17 | fusion94 | got it out and fixed it for good |
| 20:53:02 | fusion94 | zaurus stylus...meet mr loctite |
| 20:53:37 | Twiun | bah... I much prefer the cheapo one piece I got with mine ;-) |
| 20:54:09 | fusion94 | yeah me too...but mine came with a 3 piece one |
| 20:54:18 | Twiun | damn luxuries |
| 20:54:21 | Twiun | grins |
| 20:55:11 | fusion94 | well |
| 20:55:31 | fusion94 | for all intents and purposes...thanks to loctite, my 3 piece is now a 1 piece |
| 20:58:16 | Twiun | hehe |
| 20:58:20 | hobbs | I've decided that yes, I'm going to write yetanother zaurus webpage -- starting with software listing. |
| 20:58:35 | hobbs | And the address: http://zaurus.kicks-ass.net (nothing there yet) |
| 20:58:46 | Twiun | another one? |
| 20:58:53 | Twiun | not happy with killefiz? |
| 20:59:41 | hobbs | nope. It's a good start, but I'm thinking about something more comprehensive. |
| 21:03:22 | ibzaare | hi |
| 21:04:35 | ibzaare | how is it that one can ping a hostname (e.g. www.kde.org) from the Z, but the browsers (e.g konq/e, opera) timeout when trying to connect? |
| 21:06:39 | treke|ho1e | I would guess firewalls issues |
| 21:07:39 | nadav | </beta> |
| 21:07:40 | nadav | uh |
| 21:07:42 | nadav | wrong window |
| 21:08:33 | hobbs | ibzaare: yeah. firewall, on either end. or misconfigured http server. |
| 21:08:43 | hobbs | pingability doesn't imply a webpage, anyway. :) |
| 21:08:52 | ibzaare | ping = icmp |
| 21:09:46 | ibzaare | but am not aware of any protocol specific rules in my firewall... |
| 21:10:07 | ibzaare | need to investigate methinks... |
| 21:24:38 | warmi | hi |
| 21:25:27 | Twiun | hey |
| 21:25:52 | Speedy2 | Hey warmi! |
| 21:25:59 | Speedy2 | My battery charger worked, and I did my demo :) |
| 21:26:17 | warmi | who was that demo for ? |
| 21:33:43 | Speedy2 | bbl |
| 21:47:17 | kryhme | hey, what's the power thing for in the back of the cradle? |
| 21:47:30 | hobbs | power. :) |
| 21:47:35 | kryhme | if you stick the power thing in there does it charge the Z when it's on the cradle? |
| 21:47:46 | hobbs | yes. |
| 21:47:47 | kryhme | sup hobbs |
| 21:48:12 | kryhme | i beat the first 7 leves in that prBoom demo |
| 21:48:50 | hobbs | on the Z? Not bad. |
| 21:49:00 | hobbs | did you remap the keys so that they don't suck, at least? |
| 21:49:15 | rikkus | heh, if you can't do them blindfolded, on nightmare, you will have trouble :} |
| 21:49:46 | kryhme | yeah, it's hard to remap the OK key because it changes it back every time you restart the game |
| 21:49:54 | kryhme | but the other keys stay fine |
| 21:49:58 | kryhme | it's wierd |
| 21:50:11 | hobbs | kryhme: yeah, the OK key is no good. |
| 21:50:40 | kryhme | if you just map it to something else and then map it to what you want, it works fine |
| 21:50:48 | kryhme | for the rest of the session |
| 21:50:58 | hobbs | I bound the arrows to make sense, Address book to use, menu/mail to strafe, qwertyuiop to the weapons, and "r" to runlock. |
| 21:51:06 | kryhme | really |
| 21:51:12 | kryhme | are you using OZ |
| 21:51:28 | hobbs | no. |
| 21:51:55 | kryhme | i'm using the Sharp ROM, and whenever I try and map buttons to the application keys for some reason it tries to interact with Qtopia instead of the game |
| 21:52:04 | kryhme | and then it fucks up and i have to reboot |
| 21:52:07 | hobbs | I get that problem with Home, but nothing else. |
| 21:52:08 | kryhme | or kills the game |
| 21:52:15 | hobbs | Home royally screws things up, though. |
| 21:52:19 | kryhme | hah |
| 21:52:28 | kryhme | i get that problem with all of them exept the menu button |
| 21:52:44 | kryhme | oh well, i can still play it pretty good |
| 21:54:29 | hobbs | eeep. megatokyo is having problems. |
| 22:33:09 | | Onyx4 was last seen on #zaurus 7 hours, 43 minutes and 6 seconds ago, saying: http://www.bitmover.com/lmbench/lmdd.8.html [Sat Sep 21 15:50:03 2002] |
| 22:33:09 | kagemusha | ibot seen Onyx4 |
| 22:37:36 | sambatron | hello ! how do I install packages via qtopiadesktop ? |
| 22:37:48 | kagemusha | on windows or linux? |
| 22:37:54 | sambatron | linux |
| 22:38:33 | kagemusha | go to file->setting->Programs and add a feed, such as http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ to the dialog, hit ok |
| 22:38:36 | kagemusha | then go to packages |
| 22:39:02 | kagemusha | and click on what you want to install, but be warned, it's pretty finicky, some time s you have to install a pkg twice |
| 22:39:02 | sambatron | can't add |
| 22:39:41 | sambatron | the add button is shadowed |
| 22:40:01 | kagemusha | type in the name and url first |
| 22:41:06 | sambatron | O:) |
| 22:41:06 | sambatron | cool |
| 22:41:30 | kagemusha | np |
| 22:42:12 | sambatron | thanks |
| 22:43:10 | sambatron | is there any known problem regarding openzaurus and routing ? |
| 22:43:19 | sambatron | I'm not able to route traffic... |
| 22:43:34 | kagemusha | you're trying to use the Z as a router? |
| 22:43:37 | sambatron | nopes |
| 22:43:46 | kagemusha | can't route period? |
| 22:43:50 | sambatron | I set a default gw on my desktop |
| 22:44:04 | sambatron | I can ping it |
| 22:44:14 | sambatron | but I can't reach the next hop |
| 22:44:18 | kagemusha | from the desktop to the Z? |
| 22:44:30 | sambatron | Z -> desktop -> router |
| 22:44:46 | kagemusha | is the desktop routing with nat enabled? |
| 22:45:02 | sambatron | not nat, I just have another subnet |
| 22:45:27 | kagemusha | you need nat, follow the howto at zauruszone.com/howto/ |
| 22:45:59 | hobbs | no, you don't need nat if you don't need nat. |
| 22:46:27 | sambatron | In normal conditions I wouldn't neet nat if I have another subnet |
| 22:46:40 | sambatron | but I'll give it a try |
| 22:46:43 | hobbs | sambatron: but do make sure that "desktop" is set up to forward packets. Linux doesn't unless you tweak a sysctl. Windows, no clue. |
| 22:47:03 | sambatron | Yes, it is forwarding packets |
| 22:47:05 | hobbs | (and that routing is set up right, but I'm assuming that it is if desktop can talk to the world) |
| 22:47:42 | sambatron | well my desktop talks to my local subnet that has a router/firewall to the outside worl via DSL |
| 22:48:47 | hobbs | right, doesn't sound like there's any need for nat. |
| 22:49:00 | sambatron | may I paste my routing table ? |
| 22:49:18 | hobbs | If it's short. Otherwise, take it to #flood |
| 22:49:19 | kagemusha | sure |
| 22:49:24 | sambatron | troglo:~# netstat -r |
| 22:49:24 | sambatron | Kernel IP routing table |
| 22:49:24 | sambatron | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface |
| 22:49:25 | sambatron | ludwig.naranet * 255.255.255.255 UH 40 0 0 usb0 |
| 22:49:25 | sambatron | 192.168.129.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 40 0 0 usb0 |
| 22:49:26 | sambatron | naranet * 255.255.255.0 U 40 0 0 eth0 |
| 22:49:28 | sambatron | default pengo.naranet 0.0.0.0 UG 40 0 0 eth0 |
| 22:49:37 | sambatron | ludwig is the Y |
| 22:49:39 | sambatron | ludwig is the Z |
| 22:49:46 | kagemusha | ? |
| 22:50:10 | hobbs | okay, what's the routing table on ludwig? |
| 22:50:21 | sambatron | troglo:~# cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 22:50:21 | sambatron | 1 |
| 22:50:44 | hobbs | okay. I believed you. :) |
| 22:51:01 | sambatron | # netstat -rn |
| 22:51:01 | sambatron | Kernel IP routing table |
| 22:51:01 | sambatron | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface |
| 22:51:01 | sambatron | 192.168.129.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 40 0 0 usbd0 |
| 22:51:01 | sambatron | 0.0.0.0 192.168.129.200 0.0.0.0 UG 40 0 0 usbd0 |
| 22:51:53 | hobbs | makes sense to me... route 192.168.129.0/24 via usbd0, and set desktop to be the gateway for 0/0 |
| 22:52:08 | hobbs | I don't see the problem. Nothing strange going on with ip{tables,chains} |
| 22:52:09 | hobbs | ? |
| 22:52:28 | sambatron | nothing, I have no troglo:~# iptables -L |
| 22:52:28 | sambatron | Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) |
| 22:52:28 | sambatron | target prot opt source destination |
| 22:52:29 | sambatron | Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) |
| 22:52:29 | sambatron | target prot opt source destination |
| 22:52:29 | sambatron | Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) |
| 22:52:31 | sambatron | target prot opt source destination |
| 22:52:33 | sambatron | ... |
| 22:52:38 | sambatron | nothing neither in nat |
| 22:52:47 | hobbs | I'm really fairly stumped, sorry. |
| 22:52:55 | sambatron | me too :) |
| 22:53:35 | sambatron | that's why I thought about the Z not sending the packets to the router |
| 22:53:43 | hobbs | see if tcpdump can enlighten you any? |
| 22:54:03 | sambatron | funny thing is that if I set up both in the same subnet and use proxy arp it works |
| 22:54:08 | sambatron | BUT |
| 22:54:50 | hobbs | well, you lost me then. fooling with subnets is not my forte. |
| 22:54:53 | sambatron | that was with 2.38, I switched to openzaurus and now if I set the network to 192.168.1.0 it doesn't work with usb0 |
| 22:55:10 | sambatron | sorry, I'll try to explain |
| 22:55:41 | sambatron | OZ can't even connect to my desktop if I set it's usbd0 address to 192.168.1.x |
| 22:56:05 | sambatron | I can only with the default 192.168.129.201 |
| 22:56:13 | hobbs | oh. okay. |
| 22:56:47 | hobbs | I'm really stumped. There is an #openzaurus that has some people in the know, but I think most of them hang out here anyway. |
| 22:57:19 | sambatron | btw, are you a developer ? |
| 22:57:43 | hobbs | not on OZ. I hope to get into some app writing, but for the moment I'm just a general geek. |
| 22:57:49 | sambatron | :) |
| 22:58:01 | hobbs | (actually, I'm fairly interested in Opie, but I can't even install it quite yet) |
| 22:58:29 | hobbs | er. install OZ. |
| 23:00:00 | sambatron | it's nice, but it has already hanged on mine three times, I installed it a couple of hours ago |
| 23:01:14 | hobbs | not good. |
| 23:01:47 | hobbs | I don't exactly get huge uptimes on my Z with sharp rom either, but it's usually my fault. |
| 23:02:10 | sambatron | it can never be your fault :) |
| 23:02:47 | hobbs | true. A user shouldn't be able to lock things up all the way... but then again, everything is running as root, for no apparent reason. |
| 23:02:53 | sambatron | do you know why could it hang on "uploading packages to PDA" ? |
| 23:03:14 | sambatron | (I'm trying to install software from qtopia desktop |
| 23:03:16 | sambatron | ) |
| 23:03:28 | hobbs | sometimes package installers do really bad things, and for some reason, the desktop doesn't recover. |
| 23:03:41 | sambatron | damn |
| 23:03:56 | ZhEN | is away: partay |
| 23:06:19 | burtonator | is away: ... walk in the park. |
| 23:06:56 | kryhme | who likes debian? |
| 23:07:24 | hobbs | hobbs likes debian, most of the time. |
| 23:07:41 | sambatron | me ! |
| 23:07:46 | sambatron | debian ! debian ! |
| 23:08:33 | treke|home | does |
| 23:09:11 | kryhme | so what's different about debian? |
| 23:09:31 | sambatron | apt |
| 23:10:04 | hobbs | that it actually _tries_ with debconf. :) |
| 23:10:21 | kryhme | shoud i install debian? |
| 23:10:37 | kryhme | would i be cool then? |
| 23:10:39 | hobbs | It's always worth a try, IMO. |
| 23:11:50 | sambatron | you would be much cooler |
| 23:12:00 | sambatron | chicks will stick around you |
| 23:12:38 | kryhme | i'd be like, "hey bitch, i'm using debian" .... oh yeah |
| 23:12:53 | kryhme | people would respect me |
| 23:13:21 | hobbs | exactly! |
| 23:13:24 | kryhme | debian = respect |
| 23:17:46 | TheMasterMind1 | i respect debian users |
| 23:18:39 | kryhme | i'll start using it, and put stickers everywhere |
| 23:19:08 | kryhme | i'll be the only snowboarder to have a debian sticker... and people will respect me |
| 23:19:20 | sambatron | people will adore you |
| 23:19:23 | ZhEN | is back (gone 00:15:23) |
| 23:19:37 | sambatron | I already started loving you... |
| 23:24:13 | ZhEN | likes gentoo |
| 23:24:17 | ZhEN | ;-) |
| 23:25:07 | TheMasterMind1 | debian > gentoo |
| 23:25:24 | hobbs | gentoo is nice, but it's no good for me. |
| 23:25:36 | TheMasterMind1 | debian rocks |
| 23:25:42 | TheMasterMind1 | that's why oz's based on it |
| 23:25:48 | BigBoss | yes I like debian |
| 23:25:50 | TheMasterMind1 | debian packages/source work on everything |
| 23:25:52 | TheMasterMind1 | including arm |
| 23:25:53 | BigBoss | it's on my apple laptop |
| 23:25:58 | TheMasterMind1 | hey BigBoss |
| 23:26:24 | BigBoss | I understand you are now a paying customer TheMasterMind1 - congratulations |
| 23:26:34 | TheMasterMind1 | actually, i was lying |
| 23:26:38 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 23:26:54 | BigBoss | then why would you say that tkcVideo was segfaulting repeatedly on a movie? |
| 23:27:05 | TheMasterMind1 | cuz someone else told me it was |
| 23:27:18 | TheMasterMind1 | if i had money to buy tkc apps, i'd think about it |
| 23:27:36 | sambatron | I just installed opie-clock but lost the icon |
| 23:27:38 | MagiCs | Debian Love |
| 23:27:42 | TheMasterMind1 | btw, any idea why that was happening |
| 23:27:43 | sambatron | where is it ? |
| 23:27:55 | Keyser[away] | debian > gentoo ? |
| 23:27:56 | TheMasterMind1 | it was happening on the new oz initrd apparently |
| 23:28:01 | sambatron | I made a ipkg files... and is not in there |
| 23:28:40 | ZhEN | gentoo >= debian ;-) |
| 23:28:42 | BigBoss | TheMasterMind1: so either you are stretching the truth about having tkcVideo, or when making your claims about it? |
| 23:28:59 | BigBoss | please have your friend contact us if he is having trouble with his licensed software, we are always there to help |
| 23:29:00 | MagiCs | haha ZhEN :PPP |
| 23:29:07 | ZhEN | anyone here good on fixing hard Z crashes? mine is borked ;-) |
| 23:29:10 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:29:11 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 23:29:22 | ZhEN | MagiCs: then again, i am biased ;-) (i am a gentoo developer ;-) ) |
| 23:29:34 | MagiCs | hahahah |
| 23:29:36 | MagiCs | :PP |
| 23:29:50 | TheMasterMind1 | ZhEN: define "hard crash" |
| 23:30:15 | ZhEN | TheMasterMind1: it wont turn on, at all. i forgot to format the cf to fat16 on my last rom upgrade :-/ |
| 23:30:18 | KeyserSoze | is gentoo at least the second coolest linux distro? |
| 23:30:27 | TheMasterMind1 | ZhEN: heh. oops.. try reflashing, that should fix it |
| 23:30:32 | TheMasterMind1 | with a fat16 cf this time |
| 23:30:39 | KeyserSoze | (I mean for x86, obviously OZ is the coolest of all, and then Debian) :) |
| 23:30:53 | ZhEN | TheMasterMind1: i cant, the Z wont do anything :-/ |
| 23:30:55 | TheMasterMind1 | oz is very debian based |
| 23:30:55 | KeyserSoze | s/X86,/X86. |
| 23:30:59 | TheMasterMind1 | ZhEN: ouch.. |
| 23:31:03 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:31:03 | ZhEN | TheMasterMind1: yeah |
| 23:31:06 | TheMasterMind1 | try taking battery out |
| 23:31:14 | TheMasterMind1 | leave it in replace battery mode for 10 mins |
| 23:31:18 | TheMasterMind1 | without it plugged in |
| 23:31:25 | MagiCs | ZhEN I am goint to be a Debian Maintener !!! ;) |
| 23:31:29 | TheMasterMind1 | that solves most problems |
| 23:31:37 | TheMasterMind1 | if it doesn't, you'll probably need to send it into sharp |
| 23:31:46 | TheMasterMind1 | you can try their techsupport or the developer2developer bbs |
| 23:32:45 | ZhEN | MagiCs: dude! |
| 23:33:24 | KeyserSoze | is going to try installing gentoo, and see how it goes. |
| 23:33:26 | ZhEN | TheMasterMind1: tried all of the above, even the 24 hour, but the switch was in normal when the batt was out |
| 23:33:38 | ZhEN | TheMasterMind1: would that make a difference? |
| 23:34:51 | TheMasterMind1 | err, probably need it in battery |
| 23:35:04 | TheMasterMind1 | i think i meant have it in normal battery mode |
| 23:35:08 | TheMasterMind1 | not the other way around |
| 23:35:10 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, that's bad |
| 23:35:19 | TheMasterMind1 | try contacting sharp |
| 23:35:24 | TheMasterMind1 | you'll probably end up sending it in |
| 23:35:25 | sambatron | in which package is the diff command ? |
| 23:35:45 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't think there is diff for the Z |
| 23:35:51 | TheMasterMind1 | not yet anyway |
| 23:36:30 | kryhme | debian = respect |
| 23:36:55 | MagiCs | El ipkg digo que está en desarrollo.. |
| 23:37:20 | MagiCs | Arggs |
| 23:37:22 | MagiCs | Sorry |
| 23:37:41 | hobbs | but generally it's a part of gnu textutils. |
| 23:37:56 | ZhEN | TheMasterMind1: so it would have to be in normal mode...grr....i just got my Z |
| 23:38:49 | TheMasterMind1 | ZhEN: actually, this isn't documented or set anywhere |
| 23:38:54 | TheMasterMind1 | it just makes sense to have it in normal mode |
| 23:39:05 | TheMasterMind1 | so the capacitors lose any charge they have left |
| 23:39:12 | TheMasterMind1 | since there's no battery to get more voltage from |
| 23:39:22 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds like you really screwed up though |
| 23:39:40 | hobbs | right. normal mode means "no backup power mode" the way I understand it. |
| 23:40:38 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 23:40:59 | TheMasterMind1 | ZhEN: talk to sharp techsupport, or return it to the store |
| 23:42:17 | ZhEN | TheMasterMind1: yarg. ah well, time to send it into sharp :-/ |
| 23:42:36 | TheMasterMind1 | BigBoss: fyi, that segfault problem was occuring on a friends zaurus that i was upgrading to OZ |
| 23:42:43 | TheMasterMind1 | ZhEN: yea |
| 23:44:51 | kryhme | are there any screenshots of OZ anywhere>? |
| 23:44:52 | MagiCs | llololololol |
| 23:45:58 | treke|home | kryhme: http://131.152.105.154/~opie/screenies/screnies.php |
| 23:47:05 | KeyserSoze | that looks like Qtopia. |
| 23:47:27 | KeyserSoze | the tabs at the top, especially |
| 23:48:15 | sambatron | any developer in here ? |
| 23:48:20 | ljp | ummm thats opie |
| 23:48:39 | ljp | yep. I do a bit of coding here and there |
| 23:48:46 | hobbs | because OZ doesn't look like anything. It'd be like asking for a screenshot of linux. :) |
| 23:48:58 | sambatron | I'd like to cooperate with OZ |
| 23:49:05 | ljp | screenie of oz-> # |
| 23:49:06 | KeyserSoze | ljp: yes. i could have said "opie looks like qtopia" |
| 23:49:20 | treke|home | kryhme: for good reason. OPIE is based off of Qtopia |
| 23:49:24 | kryhme | i love that OZ logo |
| 23:49:30 | kryhme | does anyone have stickers for that? |
| 23:49:37 | KeyserSoze | ljp: or were you talking to someone else? |
| 23:49:43 | ljp | no but you can get tshirts and stuff |
| 23:49:58 | kryhme | where at? |
| 23:49:59 | treke|home | tshirts? where? |
| 23:50:09 | ljp | http://www.cafeshops.com/cp/store.aspx?s=openzaurus |
| 23:50:33 | ljp | not sure who that benefits, tho |
| 23:50:33 | kryhme | i don't know what opie is either |
| 23:50:49 | hobbs | I don't even have to look. cafepress means horribly overpriced. :) |
| 23:50:58 | treke|home | kryhme: opie is the default user interface for OpenZaurus\ |
| 23:51:16 | KeyserSoze | does opie have the same HWR as qtopia? |
| 23:51:22 | kryhme | opie = respect |
| 23:51:26 | treke|home | kryhme: mostly |
| 23:51:40 | treke|home | KeyserSoze: mostly |
| 23:51:45 | | hmmm... opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info at http://opie.handhelds.org/ http://www.opie.info/ http://www.opie.us/ or in the #opie channel. Installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php?OpieInstallation |
| 23:51:45 | KeyserSoze | ibot: opie |
| 23:51:50 | ljp | well, where else are you going to get oz wear? |
| 23:51:56 | | okay, KeyserSoze. |
| 23:51:56 | KeyserSoze | ibot: opie is also respect |
| 23:52:02 | scanline | is away: dinner and a movie |
| 23:52:34 | kryhme | opie seems to be only for the most badass motherfuckers out there |
| 23:52:56 | KeyserSoze | ooh, opie has transparent menus in "Opie Sheet" |
| 23:52:57 | ljp | hmmm why you say that? |
| 23:53:05 | treke|home | shut yo mouth! |
| 23:53:06 | KeyserSoze | does qtopia have transparency? |
| 23:53:11 | ljp | no |
| 23:53:12 | treke|home | I'm just talkin about opie! |
| 23:53:57 | kryhme | i wanna get that oz tshirt even though i don't use it yet |
| 23:54:02 | kryhme | representin |
| 23:54:16 | KeyserSoze | can I make Opie not have those tabs for apps? I hate those. |
| 23:54:22 | sambatron | how do I refresh opie desktop after updating packages from a remote ssh session ? |
| 23:55:13 | ljp | KeyserSoze: ya sure. .just lump everything into on e dir there, and delete the other.. same as sharp rom |
| 23:57:01 | KeyserSoze | I haven't a clue what you mean, but I only got my Zaurus this afternoon. I guess I'll find out at some point in the future, when I put OZ on it. |
| 23:57:18 | Shayde | another zaurus newbie :) |
| 23:57:28 | Shayde | (sez one, i've only been involved for about a week :) |
| 23:57:29 | KeyserSoze | BTW, who picked the fire-spitting dragon logo? |
| 23:58:00 | ljp | whardier made that |
| 23:58:09 | hobbs | it's rather japanese-looking. :) |
| 23:58:14 | Shayde | yawns. |
| 23:58:32 | ivan | should i buy a real computer or a zaurus? |
| 23:58:50 | hobbs | yes. |
| 23:58:53 | Lone | ivan: Get a puppy. |
| 23:58:54 | Shayde | a zaurus is a real computer. |
| 23:58:54 | ljp | zaurus is a real computer |
| 23:58:59 | Shayde | cokes ljp. |
| 23:59:04 | hobbs | ooh! puppy! |
| 23:59:08 | ljp | copycat |
| 23:59:13 | ivan | Lone: i don't wanna walk it every day |
| 23:59:20 | KeyserSoze | don't get a puppy, puppies make messes. |
| 23:59:21 | hobbs | okay, kitty! |
| 23:59:29 | ivan | kitties poop liquid shit all over the floor |
| 23:59:29 | KeyserSoze | cats smell! |
| 23:59:46 | Shayde | heh. i like that soon after TKC announces a loderunner game, there's a GPL one posted. |
| 23:59:51 | KeyserSoze | get a embalmed puppy/kitty |
| 23:59:56 | Shayde | i wonder if tkc makes -any- money off zaurusstuff. |