| 00:00:24 | Mantus | wardriving is illegal, you shouldnt tell everyone in the world youre doing it |
| 00:00:41 | TheMasterMind1 | wardriving is not illegal.. |
| 00:00:41 | ljp | not if you do it in a low rider |
| 00:00:54 | Mantus | TheMasterMind1 if you attach to the network it is |
| 00:01:00 | TheMasterMind1 | passively picking up wifi signals is not though |
| 00:01:16 | Mantus | probably is |
| 00:01:22 | Mantus | since the patriot act |
| 00:01:25 | kryhme | wardriving is not illegal |
| 00:01:26 | br33zy | moo |
| 00:01:32 | TheMasterMind1 | boo |
| 00:01:33 | br33zy | wardriving? |
| 00:01:34 | kryhme | only if you join the network |
| 00:01:35 | ljp | not in a low rider |
| 00:01:41 | | br33zy: wish i knew |
| 00:01:41 | br33zy | ibot who TheMasterMind1 |
| 00:01:43 | br33zy | lol |
| 00:01:47 | ljp | or a car with flames painted on it |
| 00:02:09 | Onyx4 | wardriving is illegal when you actually start connecting to a network and getting data from it, if you just scan it's not illegal |
| 00:02:21 | | OK, br33zy. |
| 00:02:21 | br33zy | ibot TheMasterMind1 is the master at the mind. |
| 00:02:22 | Onyx4 | just like a police scanner is legal, but you can't transmit on those bands |
| 00:02:24 | br33zy | hehe |
| 00:02:28 | kryhme | exactly |
| 00:02:31 | | okay, TheMasterMind1. |
| 00:02:31 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot TheMasterMind1 is also a 15 year old oz developer |
| 00:02:37 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 00:02:40 | br33zy | 15, really? |
| 00:02:45 | | hmmm... mutexer is M to the izz U T to the izz E X to the izz E to the izz R... for shiza your niza. |
| 00:02:45 | mutexer | ibot mutexer |
| 00:02:45 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 00:02:47 | | rumour has it TheMasterMind1 is the master at the mind. or a 15 year old oz developer |
| 00:02:47 | KallDrexx | ibot TheMasterMind1 |
| 00:02:48 | br33zy | cool, im 12 |
| 00:02:55 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 00:03:14 | br33zy | TheMasterMind1: what state are you in? |
| 00:03:23 | mutexer | hmm..it changed my to your |
| 00:04:08 | | okay, KallDrexx. |
| 00:04:09 | KallDrexx | ibot TheMasterMind1 is also a l33t haxxor |
| 00:04:09 | kryhme | mantus couldn't take the heat |
| 00:04:09 | Onyx4 | long of young people play with zaurus hehe |
| 00:04:10 | br33zy | probably wont work.. |
| 00:04:12 | br33zy | guess not |
| 00:04:15 | Onyx4 | aren't you young to KallDrexx? |
| 00:04:19 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: hehe i'm 17 |
| 00:04:24 | kryhme | 21 |
| 00:04:26 | Onyx4 | 25 |
| 00:04:26 | br33zy | brb |
| 00:04:27 | KallDrexx | Onyx4: 18 in a few months |
| 00:04:43 | mutexer | miza iza 23 |
| 00:05:20 | ljp | I'm 12 |
| 00:05:26 | br33zy | ljp: really? |
| 00:05:26 | Onyx4 | ljp: no way |
| 00:05:28 | ljp | heheh |
| 00:05:36 | br33zy | what state are you in? |
| 00:05:37 | ljp | well, I was,.....once |
| 00:05:42 | Onyx4 | phew |
| 00:05:49 | Onyx4 | you scared me for a sec |
| 00:05:52 | ljp | ha |
| 00:06:12 | ljp | yep 12 and an iq of 267.457354 |
| 00:06:15 | kryhme | i'm still a fetus and i'm broadcasting 802.11 packets from a chip embedded in my heart to an access point in the hospita |
| 00:06:17 | kryhme | l |
| 00:06:40 | ljp | well, kergoth is a shell script |
| 00:06:43 | KallDrexx | lol ljp |
| 00:06:43 | br33zy | sex nowadays.. |
| 00:06:45 | mutexer | test tube baby |
| 00:06:53 | Neo|Work | is away: => home |
| 00:07:14 | mutexer | there was a kid who came into a game development channel that was 7 |
| 00:07:22 | mutexer | he did some models for Q3 |
| 00:07:34 | kryhme | i'm a monkey using sign language to communicate over irc, and i deliver pizza |
| 00:07:55 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:07:56 | kryhme | kids are gonna be so smart in the future.... |
| 00:07:57 | TheMasterMind1 | how interesting |
| 00:08:01 | kryhme | they have the internet |
| 00:08:04 | kryhme | and we had bbses |
| 00:08:13 | KallDrexx | lol bbses |
| 00:08:15 | kryhme | do you want to go left or right ..... |
| 00:08:15 | KallDrexx | those were sweet |
| 00:08:58 | kryhme | yeah, but you never had the potential to learn anything you wanted by logging on to a bbs |
| 00:08:58 | KallDrexx | LORD!!!! |
| 00:08:58 | KallDrexx | anyone else love that game? |
| 00:09:21 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 00:09:27 | kryhme | i don't even remember what that was, but everyone had it |
| 00:09:48 | fusion94 | adventure was it's name |
| 00:09:54 | ljp | welll. .if you love it so much, why not marry it? |
| 00:09:59 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 00:10:07 | kryhme | i was only like 12 at the time ... using my commodore's 2400 baud modem to try and get sysop privliges on local bbses |
| 00:10:11 | fusion94 | ljp: hush commie |
| 00:10:19 | kryhme | and the saga continues |
| 00:10:30 | TheMasterMind1 | # rm -rf 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 a b c d e f g h i j k m n o p q r s t u x y z |
| 00:10:40 | TheMasterMind1 | amazing how one command can free up 2 megs |
| 00:10:48 | kryhme | rm -rf * |
| 00:11:01 | kryhme | rm -rf / will free up a lot more |
| 00:11:47 | TheMasterMind1 | i know |
| 00:11:49 | kryhme | rm -rf /porn will free up a few gigs |
| 00:11:58 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:12:00 | TheMasterMind1 | not on the Z |
| 00:12:13 | TheMasterMind1 | it will free up space on the nfs share, yes, but not on the Z itself |
| 00:12:15 | kergoth | KallDrexx: legend of the red dragon? i miss that game. |
| 00:12:23 | TheMasterMind1 | its kergoth! |
| 00:12:28 | TheMasterMind1 | shoot him |
| 00:12:30 | kryhme | haha |
| 00:12:32 | TheMasterMind1 | quick, while he's still here |
| 00:12:36 | roge99 | hey kergoth ... how goes it |
| 00:12:39 | kergoth | throws a knife at mastermind |
| 00:12:42 | kergoth | hey roge99 |
| 00:12:43 | roge99 | lol |
| 00:12:44 | kergoth | not bad, you? |
| 00:12:44 | TheMasterMind1 | ducks |
| 00:12:46 | KallDrexx | kergoth: yeah i know that game was great |
| 00:12:52 | br33zy | brb |
| 00:12:58 | roge99 | not too bad |
| 00:13:09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm not sure if i like the new buildroot or not. i'll commit it on a branch and you can take a look |
| 00:13:15 | roge99 | looken forward to this weekend |
| 00:13:23 | DaWorm | re |
| 00:13:31 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: heh. after all that work, you don't like it |
| 00:13:36 | kergoth | got somethin goin on this weekend roge99 ? |
| 00:13:39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: such is life |
| 00:13:41 | TheMasterMind1 | you shouldn't have fixed it to begin with |
| 00:13:43 | TheMasterMind1 | it was working just fine |
| 00:13:46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its definately nifty, better than it was |
| 00:13:46 | TheMasterMind1 | oh well |
| 00:13:51 | TheMasterMind1 | what don't you like about it |
| 00:13:54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: but there are a few things that need tweaking to be the way i like it |
| 00:13:58 | roge99 | me and da wife are headin up to Vermont with no kids |
| 00:14:01 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: wait, i'll commit it, you can see for yourself |
| 00:14:01 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 00:14:05 | kergoth | roge99: nice... have fun! |
| 00:14:09 | TheMasterMind1 | does it do depends? |
| 00:14:13 | roge99 | oh ... we will |
| 00:14:27 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yes |
| 00:14:32 | roge99 | i plan to bring my laptop and work the entire time |
| 00:14:37 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:14:46 | TheMasterMind1 | howd you get depends working? |
| 00:15:11 | mutexer | We're off to see the Wizard, the wonderful Wizard of OZ..he is a whiz if ever there whiz he was....hmm I dont remember that song |
| 00:15:12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: a lot of work. and right now it'll involve some manual stuff. that is, we edit more than one file to tweak a build of a single app |
| 00:15:26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: but its niftyyy |
| 00:15:31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and i think i can automate it yet |
| 00:15:45 | roge99 | kergoth: hows brokenbox errr.. busybox |
| 00:15:52 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? manual editing? |
| 00:15:53 | TheMasterMind1 | what crap is that |
| 00:15:55 | kergoth | roge99: havent even messed with it yet |
| 00:15:58 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hehe. deal with it. |
| 00:16:04 | TheMasterMind1 | dammit |
| 00:16:06 | TheMasterMind1 | i liked the old one better :\ |
| 00:16:19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: pah, trust me, the new one will end up better, we just need to tweak it some |
| 00:16:20 | mutexer | TheMasterMind1: dont believe it till you see its source...kergoth has lots of flashy mirrors and lights...and dont pay any attention to that man behind the curtain |
| 00:16:34 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:16:37 | roge99 | kids are whiny theese days ... want everything done for them |
| 00:16:44 | roge99 | :-) |
| 00:16:46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:16:59 | | Go away or I'll replace you with a very small busybox function. |
| 00:16:59 | ljp | ibot: kergoth |
| 00:17:35 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 00:17:54 | nishi | can Qtopia operate in User mode as against root mode / |
| 00:17:59 | W|GGL|T | damn...dem brownies are good! |
| 00:18:00 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: why did you fuck up all the feeds? |
| 00:18:07 | erikd | can somebody configure my kernel for me and then compile it? |
| 00:18:27 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: there was one feed, and i didnt fuck it up, i removed the unstable opie |
| 00:18:30 | kryhme | pot brownies? |
| 00:18:34 | ljp | heh ya.. set up a user for me and I'll ssh in |
| 00:18:36 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 00:18:39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the feed is there now, the only broken package is the flaky busybox |
| 00:18:49 | erikd | nah :) |
| 00:19:09 | ljp | well.. you asked |
| 00:19:09 | TheMasterMind1 | what was wrong with opie? |
| 00:19:15 | TheMasterMind1 | busybox is the only thing that's screwed up right now |
| 00:19:22 | nishi | can Qtopia operate in User mode as against root mode ? |
| 00:19:32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: I dont want an opie in the feed until we have both testing and unstable versions available |
| 00:19:42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and I cant facilitate that until i can produce images |
| 00:19:44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and ipks |
| 00:19:59 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 00:20:13 | TheMasterMind1 | so what exactly is left to be done with the buildroot? |
| 00:20:38 | kergoth | its.. hard to explain just now |
| 00:20:53 | kergoth | 99% of the files in my tree need to be committed, let me sync up with cvs first, then i'll show you |
| 00:20:56 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:21:00 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 00:21:09 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 00:21:15 | TheMasterMind1 | qpe-thekompany takes forever to install.. |
| 00:21:32 | ljp | well, why install it then |
| 00:21:44 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1 yeah it installs like 2MB of images hehe |
| 00:21:55 | TheMasterMind1 | jeez |
| 00:21:58 | TheMasterMind1 | what bull |
| 00:22:25 | TheMasterMind1 | sd cards deserved to be whipped |
| 00:22:26 | Onyx4 | it's all the shared look&feel icons for the tkc apps I think |
| 00:22:31 | TheMasterMind1 | sigh |
| 00:23:27 | TheMasterMind1 | :\ |
| 00:23:41 | TheMasterMind1 | intalling qpe-thekompany to sd = STUPID |
| 00:24:08 | kryhme | hah |
| 00:24:21 | fusion94 | installing any SW to sd == stupid |
| 00:24:23 | kryhme | they should just give you 2 CF slots |
| 00:24:34 | fusion94 | sd is where you store all your useless shit on |
| 00:24:42 | Stitch | can someone maybe answer a question about tkc jabber for me? |
| 00:24:45 | TheMasterMind1 | ok what is this bullshit |
| 00:24:52 | TheMasterMind1 | tkc apps don't start |
| 00:24:54 | TheMasterMind1 | error |
| 00:25:06 | TheMasterMind1 | mkdir: Cannot create directory : No such file or directory |
| 00:25:07 | ljp | you try running them in oz? |
| 00:25:08 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf?! |
| 00:25:10 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 00:25:19 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm trying to make it work in my initrd.bin |
| 00:25:36 | nishi | oops |
| 00:25:43 | ljp | haha |
| 00:25:49 | Stitch | all my contacts in msn are showing up as email addresses with a % in place of the @ |
| 00:26:12 | nishi | just how unsecure this is :)) |
| 00:26:19 | nishi | i'm not an op |
| 00:26:33 | nishi | but could still change the topic :) |
| 00:26:43 | ljp | channelserv will change it back most likely, or it used too |
| 00:26:50 | nishi | ok |
| 00:27:14 | nishi | anyone heard of any release dates for the A300 in USA |
| 00:27:22 | Onyx4 | Stitch: I think that was mentionning in the FAQ on thekompany web site |
| 00:27:34 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:27:36 | TheMasterMind1 | tkcVideo works |
| 00:27:38 | nishi | or of a newer version for the SL-5500 with probably a built-in speaker/mic ? |
| 00:27:40 | TheMasterMind1 | when symlinked back to / |
| 00:27:43 | TheMasterMind1 | but it segfaults |
| 00:27:47 | TheMasterMind1 | in the middle of playing a movie |
| 00:27:48 | TheMasterMind1 | weird. |
| 00:28:02 | TheMasterMind1 | so whoever was bitching at me about tkc not working, it works just fine |
| 00:28:06 | nishi | never tried a headphon yet ... would any headphone work for listening to audio ? |
| 00:28:08 | fusion94 | kergoth: lock the topic |
| 00:28:23 | ljp | nishi: yes |
| 00:28:27 | Onyx4 | nishi: yep, any 1/8 headphone is fine |
| 00:28:49 | nishi | and would any standard headphone/mic combo we get in fry's these days for IP telephony be good for voice recording ? |
| 00:28:52 | Onyx4 | best ones are sennheiser MX-500 earpiece, best quality out there |
| 00:29:00 | Cloudchaser | TheMasterMind1: which tkc app did you buy? |
| 00:29:00 | TheMasterMind1 | nishi: yep should be |
| 00:29:03 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: you syncing away |
| 00:29:03 | nishi | cool |
| 00:29:06 | TheMasterMind1 | Cloudchaser: tkcvideo |
| 00:29:12 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:29:15 | kergoth | is confused |
| 00:29:18 | Cloudchaser | oh i thought mplayer was so good |
| 00:29:21 | TheMasterMind1 | are you syncing up your changes? |
| 00:29:24 | TheMasterMind1 | Cloudchaser: it is |
| 00:29:26 | TheMasterMind1 | now i have proof |
| 00:29:33 | TheMasterMind1 | its better than tkcVideo |
| 00:30:06 | nishi | does the zaurus come with the kernel source ? |
| 00:30:50 | TheMasterMind1 | nishi: yes.. |
| 00:30:51 | Onyx4 | nishi: not installed, but you can download the kernel source and cross-compile it |
| 00:30:56 | nishi | ok cool |
| 00:30:56 | ljp | most of the kernel source is available from sharp's web site |
| 00:31:02 | nishi | gotcha |
| 00:31:08 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:31:08 | Cloudchaser | ah i haven't used mplayer |
| 00:31:16 | TheMasterMind1 | closed-source kernel source |
| 00:31:17 | nishi | ok guys time to head home now from work ... have a good eve ... see u soon |
| 00:31:18 | Stitch | onyx:thanks. guess I shoulda rtfm |
| 00:31:18 | TheMasterMind1 | imagine that! |
| 00:31:23 | nishi | hahaha |
| 00:31:35 | Onyx4 | Stitch: what was the question about again? :) |
| 00:31:38 | nishi | jajajaja (laughing in spanish) :) |
| 00:31:47 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 00:31:53 | TheMasterMind1 | how is that spanish laughing? |
| 00:32:04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: fuck i've got a lot to commit |
| 00:32:04 | Onyx4 | oh yeah the msn with tkcjabber, hehe |
| 00:32:08 | nishi | where the j is pronounced h :) |
| 00:32:08 | Stitch | it was the msn thing in the faq. |
| 00:32:15 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: heh |
| 00:32:20 | Onyx4 | so it was in there right? |
| 00:32:28 | nishi | c ya guys |
| 00:32:30 | Onyx4 | I remember reading it a while back |
| 00:32:34 | nishi | o & o |
| 00:33:12 | TheMasterMind1 | tkc's XPishness is sick |
| 00:33:26 | TheMasterMind1 | why did they do that? |
| 00:34:01 | Onyx4 | ugh, to make their app look good? :) |
| 00:34:04 | ljp | to piss everybody off |
| 00:34:25 | TheMasterMind1 | to make me puke |
| 00:34:26 | Onyx4 | ask bigboss hehe |
| 00:34:54 | ljp | notice the extra launcher tabs also |
| 00:34:55 | TheMasterMind1 | is qpe-thekompany free? |
| 00:35:01 | ljp | err tab |
| 00:35:35 | Pen | hey guys, just wondered if this embedded konsole thing (which supposedly is better) does a full screen (like normal, terminate qtopia) |
| 00:35:38 | ljp | no |
| 00:35:49 | ljp | Pen: nope |
| 00:35:55 | Pen | then why use it =-P |
| 00:35:57 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 00:36:12 | kryhme | i use it |
| 00:36:14 | Pen | if it's not a black screen with white text, it ain't linux |
| 00:36:19 | TheMasterMind1 | why is the sharp rom so crappy |
| 00:36:20 | kryhme | like the fool that i am |
| 00:36:26 | TheMasterMind1 | and why does tkcVideo segfault? |
| 00:36:34 | TheMasterMind1 | oGMo: why? |
| 00:36:35 | KallDrexx | why did you buy tkc? |
| 00:36:40 | Cloudchaser | doesn't segfault for me |
| 00:36:41 | ljp | Pen: use the embeddedkonsole with tabs, and you can set the colors |
| 00:36:55 | kryhme | green on black |
| 00:37:20 | Pen | but you have much less screen.. |
| 00:37:21 | ljp | pink on red |
| 00:37:26 | Onyx4 | Pen: you can also remove the "popup menu with commands and scrollbar" so it frees up screenspace, guess someone's gotta come up with a fullscreen mode that'd rock |
| 00:37:33 | kergoth | Pen: so terminate opie/qtopia then. |
| 00:37:37 | oGMo | TheMasterMind1: it's not _that_ crappy |
| 00:37:42 | oGMo | TheMasterMind1: i meah |
| 00:37:43 | oGMo | err mean |
| 00:37:47 | ljp | heh somebody, eh? |
| 00:37:54 | oGMo | TheMasterMind1: it could be winCE |
| 00:37:55 | TheMasterMind1 | sure it is |
| 00:38:09 | oGMo | or palmOS |
| 00:38:17 | oGMo | THEN what would you do |
| 00:38:27 | TheMasterMind1 | cry |
| 00:38:31 | oGMo | sit down and cry... that's what i'd do |
| 00:38:41 | oGMo | :) |
| 00:38:50 | kryhme | winCE is like eating cow shit ... it just plain sucks and you'd rather smash your face against rusty nails |
| 00:38:52 | Onyx4 | is heading home, bbl |
| 00:39:28 | kryhme | maybe that's a bit extreme |
| 00:40:35 | Pen | btw is anyone work at sharp here? |
| 00:40:43 | Pen | before I say something and get myself in trouble |
| 00:40:59 | oGMo | Pen: a couple people i think |
| 00:41:10 | Pen | guess I won't then |
| 00:41:24 | oGMo | but i wouldn't worry about it unless you're just trolling ;) |
| 00:41:33 | Pen | I was just wanting to know the specs of the new model |
| 00:42:04 | ljp | dont think the a300 will get released in usa |
| 00:42:12 | Pen | not that one |
| 00:42:22 | Pen | I don't want a A300 =-P |
| 00:42:25 | oGMo | Pen: the only thing even planned is the _possibility_ of one and that it _might_ use xscale, afaik |
| 00:42:28 | TheMasterMind1 | a300=shit |
| 00:42:34 | mrwoody | does anyone know if there are any news about the contest@zaurus? |
| 00:42:35 | W|GGL|T | me either |
| 00:43:17 | Pen | ogmo are you one of them? |
| 00:43:32 | kergoth | Pen: sniper, jasonnj, and benmeyer work for sharp |
| 00:43:35 | kergoth | Pen: thats it |
| 00:43:45 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth hows the syncing? |
| 00:43:46 | ljp | and Dr. Ono |
| 00:44:03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: getting there, i'm tempted to just say fuck cvs and put it up on bkbits |
| 00:44:08 | TheMasterMind1 | echo mynameisamangupta | grep cvs up -PdA |
| 00:44:08 | Pen | don't guess I could hit them up for info about it =-{ |
| 00:44:15 | Cloudchaser | hey does anyone here know kylix at all? |
| 00:44:32 | TheMasterMind1 | s/grep// |
| 00:44:35 | Cloudchaser | as in if i made a db with it, could i use it on the z? |
| 00:44:36 | ljp | I know its a Borland product |
| 00:45:19 | ljp | you'd have to install a db engine |
| 00:45:37 | Cloudchaser | well it says you don't need any runtime |
| 00:45:59 | ljp | oh |
| 00:46:00 | Pen | btw, can I install gcc or whatever w/o a CF for development? how big is the thing with libs and all? |
| 00:46:05 | Pen | because that's what I got it for |
| 00:46:17 | kryhme | how do you sniff packets on a wireless network with the Zaurus.... do you join the network using the network settings and then run a sniffer or are there other ways.... any help would be appreciated |
| 00:46:20 | ljp | Pen: yes people have.. but its really slow |
| 00:46:26 | TheMasterMind1 | kryhme: kismet |
| 00:46:27 | | Sniper was last seen on #bzflag 8 hours, 33 minutes and 54 seconds ago, saying: Hi ruudi [Tue Sep 17 17:12:33 2002] |
| 00:46:27 | mrwoody | ibot: seen Sniper |
| 00:46:38 | | I haven't seen 'benmeyers', mrwoody |
| 00:46:38 | mrwoody | ibot: seen benmeyers |
| 00:46:41 | | benmeyer was last seen on #opie 5 hours, 23 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: AntiProxy: slow [Tue Sep 17 20:23:34 2002] |
| 00:46:41 | mrwoody | ibot: seen benmeyer |
| 00:46:51 | | JasonNJ was last seen on #zaurus 5 hours, 47 minutes and 42 seconds ago, saying: should I wait? [Tue Sep 17 19:59:09 2002] |
| 00:46:51 | fusion94 | ibot: seen JasonNJ |
| 00:46:55 | | god was last seen on #zaurus 26 days, 9 hours, 29 minutes and 40 seconds ago, saying: JasonNJ: Tomorrow is Monday!!!!!! [Thu Aug 22 16:17:15 2002] |
| 00:46:55 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot: seen god |
| 00:46:56 | Pen | ljp, alternatives to gcc that are just as good? |
| 00:47:03 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmm |
| 00:47:07 | TheMasterMind1 | god was here? |
| 00:47:12 | ljp | not that will run on a z |
| 00:47:18 | | meaning of life is "eat, drink, and be merry... for tommorow we are to die" |
| 00:47:18 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot: meaning of life ? |
| 00:47:28 | | somebody said sex was updatedb; locate blonde; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; ipkg install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; ipkg remove condom; make clean; sleep |
| 00:47:28 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot: sex? |
| 00:47:35 | | I think you meant fuck. dont beat around the bush, man. |
| 00:47:35 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot: farq |
| 00:47:40 | | weed is good |
| 00:47:40 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot: weed |
| 00:47:45 | Pen | I assume it comes in .ipk form? |
| 00:47:46 | | ljp: I forgot meaning of life |
| 00:47:46 | ljp | ibot: forget meaning of life |
| 00:47:59 | | somebody said irc was Internet Relay Chat or help can be found here http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/altircfaq.html |
| 00:47:59 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot: irc |
| 00:48:03 | | OK, ljp. |
| 00:48:03 | ljp | ibot: meaning of life is 42 |
| 00:48:11 | | i think 42 is the answer |
| 00:48:11 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot: 42 |
| 00:48:15 | | rumour has it i am an ibot |
| 00:48:15 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot ibot |
| 00:48:23 | | ljp is currently an earthling from the planet Mergatroid or http://llornkcor.com |
| 00:48:23 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot ljp |
| 00:48:27 | | cat is, like, officially used to concatenate files. cat is also used to display the contents of a file on screen. Syntax: cat (file1) (file2) ...(fileN) Where file1 through fileN are the files to display. Example: cat letters/from-mdw displays the file letters/from-mdw |
| 00:48:27 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot cat |
| 00:48:32 | Pen | ok that's annoying |
| 00:48:44 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 00:48:46 | | TheMasterMind1: huh? |
| 00:48:46 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot knows everything |
| 00:48:47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: have your conversation with ibot in messages please :-P |
| 00:49:05 | kryhme | mastermind : kismet just scans for APs, it doesn't do the actual sniffing |
| 00:49:30 | Pen | I can't seem to locate gcc in .ipk form |
| 00:50:08 | kryhme | if you find that i ipk i would love that |
| 00:50:31 | Pen | would you have to cross compile it on a normal linux box?? |
| 00:50:37 | Xentac | is back (gone 11:01:30) |
| 00:51:00 | ljp | http://sourceforge.net/projects/zaurus/ |
| 00:51:01 | kryhme | i have yet to attempt it |
| 00:51:25 | numatrix|z | evening all |
| 00:51:31 | | anselor was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 8 hours, 50 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: ibot seen imm [Mon Sep 16 17:00:35 2002] |
| 00:51:31 | numatrix|z | ibot seen anselor |
| 00:51:58 | kergoth | anyone know how to get the tarball of a sourceforge cvs repository? |
| 00:52:16 | mrwoody | does anyone know how to use unison here? |
| 00:52:29 | Cloudchaser | not me but if you find out i sure would like to know |
| 00:52:57 | TheMasterMind1 | kryhme: define "sniffing" |
| 00:53:16 | mrwoody | well i know how to use unison, more or less, but i need to set a stupid option and i dont know how to do it |
| 00:53:31 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
| 00:53:31 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot search zsi for zgcc |
| 00:53:31 | W|GGL|T | sniffing is what dogs do to each others' butts |
| 00:53:31 | TheMasterMind1 | Pen: find zgcc on zsi |
| 00:53:32 | | somebody said zsi was http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 00:53:32 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot zsi |
| 00:53:36 | TheMasterMind1 | Pen: find zgcc on zsi |
| 00:54:07 | | busybox_0.60.3 0.60.3 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=167 |
| 00:54:08 | | dev_img-1.3 1.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=293 |
| 00:54:09 | | QtOnTheZ.txt 1.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=162 |
| 00:54:09 | numatrix|z | ibot search zsi for zgcc |
| 00:54:24 | kryhme | but it's something i want to do, and i can't seem to figure out where to start |
| 00:54:24 | numatrix|z | TMM: takes two tries sometimes |
| 00:54:51 | W|GGL|T | when you store apps on the Zaurus in RAM, they are found in the /mnt/ide dir? |
| 00:55:18 | kryhme | isn't it /home/root/ |
| 00:55:26 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: ? in the sharp rom, ram is /home, and is linked to from everywhere. in oz, ram is /mnt/ram |
| 00:55:28 | kryhme | and then either Applications or Documets |
| 00:56:32 | W|GGL|T | so, if i transfer an .mp3 to the Z and not CF/SD, it'll go one /home? (sharp rom) |
| 00:57:03 | TheMasterMind1 | kryhme: define "sniffing" |
| 00:57:41 | W|GGL|T | examining packets? |
| 00:57:51 | kryhme | yeah, i did kinda mix up my words there ,,,, yeah, that's what i'm talking about |
| 00:57:59 | kryhme | etherreal, tcpdump stuff |
| 00:58:00 | TheMasterMind1 | kismet does that |
| 00:58:06 | TheMasterMind1 | kismet uses tcpdump and pcap |
| 00:58:15 | TheMasterMind1 | it even outputs an ethereal compatible dump file |
| 00:58:23 | TheMasterMind1 | kismet = god |
| 00:58:34 | kryhme | yeah, kismet is the shiznat |
| 00:58:40 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth i'm out. i'll check out the new cvs stuff tommorow |
| 00:58:50 | numatrix|z | kryhme: ethereal was on the list of apps to be ported for the zaurus challenge--you should ask them if someone did it. |
| 00:59:05 | kryhme | interesting |
| 00:59:11 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: later |
| 00:59:18 | kryhme | is it hard to get tcpdump to work with kismet? |
| 00:59:25 | TheMasterMind1 | kryhme: ?! |
| 00:59:29 | TheMasterMind1 | what are you talking about?! |
| 00:59:31 | kergoth_ | kryhme: tcpdump has nothing to do with kismet. |
| 00:59:34 | Xentac | kryhme: only on the Zaurus... |
| 00:59:36 | kergoth_ | kryhme: just use tcpdump if you want tcpdump |
| 00:59:46 | TheMasterMind1 | you are a very confused individual |
| 00:59:48 | TheMasterMind1 | anyway |
| 00:59:49 | TheMasterMind1 | night |
| 00:59:49 | kryhme | yes i am |
| 00:59:51 | numatrix|z | kryhme: they're unrelated... dang slow keyboard. |
| 00:59:52 | TheMasterMind1 | is away: sleeping. |
| 00:59:53 | kryhme | night |
| 01:00:15 | kryhme | ok, mastermind says kismet uses tcpdump |
| 01:00:19 | numatrix|z | kryhme: what do you want to do? |
| 01:00:24 | kryhme | and now you're telling me they're un related |
| 01:00:25 | kryhme | ok |
| 01:00:33 | TheMasterMind1 | no, kimset uses pcap |
| 01:00:35 | Xentac | notes you can use tcpdump to read the kismet dump files... |
| 01:00:39 | TheMasterMind1 | which is related to tcpdump |
| 01:00:45 | numatrix|z | no, he said you can use it, not it does |
| 01:00:47 | TheMasterMind1 | you can use tcpdump or ethereal to read kismet dump files |
| 01:00:56 | kryhme | i wan't to be able to examine packets crossing the access point in my house from my zaurus |
| 01:01:54 | kryhme | hmm |
| 01:01:55 | numatrix|z | kryhme; definitely see if ethereal was done, thatd be the easiest. use kismet for wifi sniff, decode w/ ethereal |
| 01:02:24 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth we could use bk.. |
| 01:02:30 | TheMasterMind1 | don't have to use cvs |
| 01:02:32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm already working on it |
| 01:02:40 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:02:41 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: I imported the cvs repository into bk :) |
| 01:02:45 | TheMasterMind1 | how dd i guess |
| 01:02:49 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'll throw it up on openzaurus.bkbits.net |
| 01:02:49 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds like fun |
| 01:02:56 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i grab it? |
| 01:03:00 | TheMasterMind1 | bk <something> |
| 01:03:08 | kergoth | bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/blah; |
| 01:03:12 | TheMasterMind1 | clone |
| 01:03:14 | TheMasterMind1 | gotcha |
| 01:03:16 | kergoth | will create a local repos called 'blah' |
| 01:03:18 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:03:18 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll try it out tommorow |
| 01:03:20 | kergoth | cool |
| 01:03:21 | TheMasterMind1 | later |
| 01:03:24 | kergoth | ttyl |
| 01:03:28 | chouimat | kergoth: using bitkeeper? |
| 01:03:29 | TheMasterMind1 | is away: really sleeping this time.. |
| 01:03:29 | kryhme | man... so i'm running kismet, and it's capturing the packets and dumping it to a file... and then i use tcpdump or etherreal to open those files and view what's in them? |
| 01:03:38 | kryhme | am i following this right |
| 01:03:40 | Xentac | kryhme: essentially, yeah |
| 01:03:41 | kergoth | chouimat: got tired of cvs, yeah |
| 01:03:47 | numatrix|z | night, tmm |
| 01:03:57 | chouimat | kergoth: did you try subversion (svn)? |
| 01:04:08 | numatrix|z | kryhme: yup |
| 01:04:33 | kryhme | ok, where are the dump files kept? i'll take a look and see what i have in there now |
| 01:04:53 | numatrix|z | doesnt like irc on the z... |
| 01:05:21 | numatrix|z | kryhme: you can specify it in your kismet.conf |
| 01:05:36 | numatrix|z | everything from where to the naming convention |
| 01:05:39 | kryhme | that would be cool to have some voice recognition stuff so you could talk on irc using your Z |
| 01:06:01 | kryhme | ah, the future |
| 01:06:10 | numatrix|z | I should hack zic to use flite so it could at least talk back. |
| 01:06:36 | KallDrexx | lol |
| 01:06:56 | kryhme | and I'm going to port a VRML browser to my Z |
| 01:07:34 | numatrix|z | :-) The speech synthesis part is already done. |
| 01:08:03 | | CMU_Flite 1.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=377 |
| 01:08:03 | numatrix|z | ibot search zsi for flite |
| 01:08:35 | chouimat | kryhme: and do fu-fme for the Z? |
| 01:08:48 | kryhme | i don't know what that is |
| 01:09:18 | numatrix|z | dont ask... |
| 01:09:36 | chouimat | kryhme: www.fu-fme.com |
| 01:09:38 | kryhme | ok, i found my kismet dumps in my home directory. now i'm gonna install tcpdump and see what's in there |
| 01:09:42 | chouimat | numatrix|z: hehe |
| 01:09:42 | numatrix|z | you dont want to know |
| 01:10:16 | kryhme | too bad it's only for windows |
| 01:10:42 | chouimat | numatrix|z: with flite and VRML into zic, why not :) |
| 01:11:34 | numatrix|z | chouimat; want to know a secret? look at the matchmaker app icon... |
| 01:11:47 | chouimat | numatrix|z: where? |
| 01:11:49 | | MatchMaker 0.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=424 |
| 01:11:49 | numatrix|z | ibot search zsi for matchmaker |
| 01:12:22 | numatrix|z | chouimat; I think youll see it looks vaguely familiar. ;-) |
| 01:13:11 | numatrix|z | I think he has screenshots up; I dont have konq/e installed right now. |
| 01:15:17 | kryhme | i wonder how many grrls use that prog |
| 01:15:28 | kryhme | i bet the girl/guy ratio is way out there |
| 01:17:21 | chouimat | numatrix|z: where is the icon? |
| 01:17:42 | Cloudchaser | does anyone know anything about opie-tableviewer? |
| 01:17:57 | numatrix|z | chouimat; its the application icon. look in the taskbar |
| 01:18:16 | numatrix|z | if its shown in the screens |
| 01:18:36 | Yoso | nothing is more leet than wireless samba access to my a300 |
| 01:18:43 | Yoso | how did I survive without wireless networking before? |
| 01:18:46 | Yoso | I honestly don't know... |
| 01:19:06 | numatrix|z | to sum it up, its pretty muc the same as fufme. at least, that was the inspiration. sort of an inside joke. |
| 01:20:04 | chouimat | numatrix|z: ok :) |
| 01:22:44 | numatrix|z | it seemed funny at the time. ;-) |
| 01:22:57 | mjn3 | kergoth: busybox unzip should be working as of this afternoon. also there was a mini "top" added to busybox today, but it fails on the Z as it assumes the layout of proc entries in the later 2.4 kernels. spent a little time reworking it, but won't get it finished tonight |
| 01:24:38 | numatrix|z | mjn3: excellent, thanks |
| 01:25:22 | cranch | I need to reflash...my Z is locking up all the time already..I just flash 2.9.6 unstable this morning... |
| 01:25:27 | cranch | course theres a reason for calling it unstable :P |
| 01:25:41 | | Cumulus 0.2 beta >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=428 |
| 01:25:42 | | KanjiNirvana 1.1 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=171 |
| 01:25:44 | | QTJim 0.3.9 (beta) >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=175 |
| 01:25:45 | | 3 of 5 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=aim |
| 01:25:45 | numatrix|z | ibot search zsi for aim |
| 01:25:54 | mjn3 | numatrix|z: i tested it on a couple of zip files i had lying around, including one self-extracting. seems to be working |
| 01:26:43 | benmeyer | From a blog talking about a video clerk |
| 01:26:45 | benmeyer | He was a computer programmer, having recently graduated from DeVry ("Oh," said my mother, "Then he's really just *sort of* a programmer.") and was looking for a job. |
| 01:26:46 | benmeyer | hahaha |
| 01:27:02 | Xentac | benmeyer: that's sweet |
| 01:27:07 | numatrix|z | mjn3; excellent. seemed to fail about all the time before, so i imagine you got whatever it was |
| 01:27:07 | Xentac | literally laughed out loud |
| 01:27:24 | numatrix|z | benmeyer working in a porn shop, right? |
| 01:27:27 | benmeyer | yup |
| 01:27:38 | numatrix|z | benmeyer: that is good reading... |
| 01:27:38 | benmeyer | True Porn Clerk Stories |
| 01:28:14 | numatrix|z | benmeyer: yup,yup I read them all at work a few weeks ago. Shes a good writer and has some funny stories. |
| 01:28:46 | numatrix|z | have you read the one where she yells at the guy whacking it? |
| 01:28:58 | benmeyer | yup |
| 01:29:03 | benmeyer | 3/4 way through |
| 01:29:29 | numatrix|z | TURN AROUND AND PUT IT AWAY.... and he's scratching his belly.... |
| 01:30:10 | numatrix|z | ben: whats the link to that again? I should see if there are new entries... |
| 01:30:15 | benmeyer | http://www.improvisation.ws/mb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4475 |
| 01:30:22 | numatrix|z | thanks. |
| 01:30:54 | mjn3 | numatrix|z: i'd be surprised if it had ever worked on anything but i386, the way it was coded |
| 01:32:25 | numatrix|z | mjn3: it may not have. I realized later I had always used a different unzip on the sharp rom |
| 01:32:52 | kryhme | how do you runt tcpdump ...do you have to pass it anything ...i try and run it, it gives me some note about promiscuous mode not supported and then says illegal character "." |
| 01:32:59 | NeoTron | is back (gone 18:47:14) |
| 01:33:01 | kryhme | runt = run |
| 01:33:32 | numatrix|z | kryhme: on the Z? |
| 01:33:43 | kryhme | yeah |
| 01:34:07 | kryhme | i downloaded the package from myzaurus.com |
| 01:34:16 | kryhme | the readme is all but useless |
| 01:34:22 | numatrix|z | I havent used it on the Z; id just type man tcpdump on a desktop for the full command line |
| 01:34:47 | numatrix|z | i'll check |
| 01:34:51 | kryhme | in the package was libcap tcpdump and a readme that consisted of about 4 lines |
| 01:35:34 | numatrix|z | try tcpdump -F kismet.dump |
| 01:37:22 | kryhme | thanks, i'll give it a whirl |
| 01:38:35 | numatrix|z | ok; cat scratched my eye; irc on the Z is out. talk to everyone later |
| 01:58:16 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 01:58:30 | scanline | is away: late night pizza run |
| 01:58:48 | scanline | is away: late night pizza run |
| 02:00:54 | KallDrexx | stop spamming =P |
| 02:02:44 | burtonator | is away: ... they are no physically kicking me out... |
| 02:08:42 | | Onyx4 was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 29 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying: is heading home, bbl [Wed Sep 18 01:38:52 2002] |
| 02:08:42 | kagemusha | ibot seen Onyx4 |
| 02:09:14 | | TheMasterMind1 is the master at the mind. or a 15 year old oz developer or a l33t haxxor |
| 02:09:14 | KallDrexx | ibot TheMasterMind1 |
| 02:41:40 | W|GGL|T | thinks its ridiculous that the subject of PPC on the Z keeps showing up on the ZZ forums |
| 02:42:23 | W|GGL|T | there are already tons of PPC devices out there...why put it on a zaurus? its easier to just go out and buy a PPC handheld |
| 02:43:06 | Xentac | true enough |
| 02:43:50 | Xentac | I suppose it's just the, "can it be done", factor |
| 02:45:29 | W|GGL|T | i guess...just wondering who would buy a laptop pre-installed with linux just to install winXP...same principle |
| 02:46:38 | Xentac | to an extent |
| 02:46:42 | Xentac | I see your point |
| 02:47:06 | Xentac | I know that I thought of it, once... very briefly... just to see if it could be done |
| 02:47:25 | Xentac | shrugs. |
| 02:47:50 | chayim_ | kergoth: it turns out that USB is a no go in that ROM. |
| 02:49:34 | chayim_ | maybe tomorrow |
| 03:14:24 | scanline | is back (gone 01:16:02) |
| 03:45:31 | DragonEagle | is away: bad habits die hard |
| 03:52:01 | bbeattie | For those people that have SD/MMC or CF cards, how many run most/all of the apps from those cards instead of the internal RAM? |
| 03:53:14 | | Onyx4 was last seen on #zaurus 3 hours, 14 minutes and 22 seconds ago, saying: is heading home, bbl [Wed Sep 18 01:38:52 2002] |
| 03:53:14 | kagemusha | ibot seen Onyx4 |
| 04:09:16 | W|GGL|T | puts all his apps in RAM |
| 04:23:23 | Xentac | is away: sleeping |
| 04:26:29 | mantus | anyone know if libopie conflicts with the retail rom? |
| 04:30:12 | Yoso | I had no problems running opie-mediaplayer2 which requires libopie on my a300 |
| 04:30:20 | Yoso | I installed an ipk of libopie and everything was ok |
| 04:30:24 | mantus | ok |
| 04:30:40 | mantus | i know opie-base jacks everything |
| 04:30:45 | mantus | thanks |
| 04:30:49 | Yoso | np |
| 04:36:18 | bbeattie | Yoso: how is mediaplayer 2? |
| 04:37:45 | Yoso | on the a300? |
| 04:37:51 | Yoso | slow as a snail, and pretty choppy |
| 04:38:03 | Yoso | I get the impression it's pretty good on other machines though :) |
| 04:38:09 | sig | W|GGL|T: |
| 04:38:59 | W|GGL|T | ping |
| 04:39:06 | sig | howdy |
| 04:39:15 | W|GGL|T | hi |
| 04:39:17 | sig | whats the url to your site so i can become a member now |
| 04:39:34 | | it has been said that webring is the Zaurus WebRing and it is located at http://W.webring.com/hub?ring=zaurussl5x00webr. Please consider joining the effort to organize Zaurus resources! |
| 04:39:34 | W|GGL|T | ibot webring |
| 04:39:40 | W|GGL|T | there |
| 04:39:43 | sig | gracias |
| 04:40:07 | W|GGL|T | no...gracias to YOU! :o) |
| 04:40:09 | sig | hah |
| 04:46:58 | codemnky | i moved /opt/ to /mnt/card/opt and sym linked it, oh i'm loving all this new space |
| 04:47:33 | jmhodges | interesting codemnky |
| 04:48:07 | codemnky | now i can install 64M worth of crap |
| 04:48:11 | codemnky | :) |
| 04:48:48 | codemnky | seems to be working fine |
| 04:49:02 | codemnky | it needs to be ext2 |
| 04:49:05 | codemnky | though |
| 04:49:27 | codemnky | if it's fat the sym links like inside ../lib won't work |
| 04:50:02 | codemnky | anyone here from CA? |
| 04:51:02 | fusion94 | canada or california ? |
| 04:51:07 | codemnky | cali |
| 04:51:12 | fusion94 | yeah why |
| 04:51:28 | codemnky | i'm moving from miami, fl to pasadena, ca oct 1st |
| 04:51:31 | codemnky | long drive |
| 04:51:56 | codemnky | how's cali |
| 04:51:59 | W|GGL|T | has inlaws in CA....has driven from NC/VA to CA and back several times |
| 04:52:07 | codemnky | ouch |
| 04:52:11 | bbeattie | codemnky: I just got my 128M SD card today, I spend 4 hours reloading all my apps, and then ended up using ktrove, which symlinks things over. (I made my SD ext2, since I figured that may help resolve some problems, which it sounds like it will, with libs) however, I'm wondering if instead of using ktrove, and having to register everything with it, if sym linking /opt to the card is a better way? |
| 04:52:24 | fusion94 | um |
| 04:52:27 | fusion94 | well you see |
| 04:52:34 | fusion94 | california is a rather large states |
| 04:52:38 | fusion94 | state even |
| 04:52:56 | codemnky | i think just sym linking opt is easier, less hastle |
| 04:52:57 | fusion94 | and since pasadena is 7-8 hours away from me i'd not really have a clue |
| 04:53:22 | W|GGL|T | hasn't been thru pasadena, but had been a bit around LA and some of its suburbs |
| 04:53:47 | codemnky | cause when you install something it's you don't have to do anything or register or link anything |
| 04:53:50 | codemnky | but that's just me |
| 04:53:51 | W|GGL|T | nice 'winters' and summers...at least closer to the coast |
| 04:54:12 | codemnky | miami was fun, but it's 100 degrees outside now and it's 2am |
| 04:54:14 | bbeattie | codemnky: all libs, binaries and data files are stored to /opt, and configuration to /home/root/Settings/... Correct? |
| 04:55:16 | codemnky | i think so, i copied eveything over and then had to delete sym linked that when i copied transfered into real files and had to sym link them back |
| 04:55:25 | codemnky | i'm no expert, i just wanted the space |
| 04:56:17 | codemnky | been trying to figure out how to get it for sometime, this seems to work well |
| 04:56:52 | codemnky | of course if my SD un mounts or gets corrupted i could have problems, back backups! |
| 04:57:00 | codemnky | make |
| 04:57:02 | codemnky | i meant |
| 04:57:55 | bbeattie | codemnky: I wonder which is better and in what ways, ktrove or just symlink, ktrove makes lots of directories, (ie, /mnt/card/appnamehere/homr/root/Settings/... etc, and if the ipkg is not the best, it won't work, as it reads the ipkg to find where files are and symlinks files and directories to the card, |
| 04:59:07 | bbeattie | codemnky: someone told me you can't backup to SD, but you can, the only problem is transfering a 30 meg file from SD to a PC, unless you do it via wireless, or a card reader (I wish you could transfer directly to SD/CF like you can with ipaq's) |
| 04:59:16 | codemnky | sounds like someone put to much thought into ktrove when a simple sym link could have done the trick, maybe ktrove is for peole who don't know how to do it them self? |
| 04:59:32 | codemnky | you can back up anything |
| 04:59:50 | codemnky | scp -r /dir user@dest:/backups/dir |
| 05:01:09 | codemnky | SD is just another slice like any other |
| 05:01:22 | codemnky | whoever told you that doesn't use linux/unix much |
| 05:01:36 | bbeattie | codemnky: ktrove is good for doing a "select" appliations, doing a /opt symlink requires all apps to be on SD, (which is fine with me for my purpose) but for those that only want certain select apps, ktrove could be better. |
| 05:02:03 | codemnky | true |
| 05:02:33 | bbeattie | codemnky: did/have you noticed that a fat16 filesystem takes up less room for the filesystem than ext2? (my 128M card gave me 125M with fat16, and ext2 only gives me 118M) |
| 05:03:01 | codemnky | no i didn't notice |
| 05:03:18 | codemnky | i was wondering if the jiff would work on the SD |
| 05:03:38 | codemnky | since it's compressed i wonder if you'd get more space, i don't know enough about it yet |
| 05:03:55 | fusion94 | codemnky: try scp'ing /proc/kcore |
| 05:04:19 | codemnky | take to long? |
| 05:04:59 | codemnky | i though normally you don't backup /proc |
| 05:05:12 | fusion94 | codemnky: you dont |
| 05:05:18 | bbeattie | codemnky: ext2 and fat16 arn't compressed, from what I knew, |
| 05:05:24 | fusion94 | but you stated that "<codemnky> you can back up anything" |
| 05:05:28 | codemnky | heh |
| 05:05:33 | codemnky | ok you got me |
| 05:05:38 | fusion94 | i'm just being an ass |
| 05:06:51 | bbeattie | fusion94: do you have any filesystem knowledge of ext2? |
| 05:07:19 | fusion94 | well....not really, if i have an issue i just call ted ts'o |
| 05:07:22 | codemnky | might need more space to store it's internal info |
| 05:07:32 | fusion94 | what are you trying to do ? |
| 05:08:42 | bbeattie | just wondering why an ext2 filesystem for a 128M SD leaves about 118M left, while fat16 leaves 125. (I also did a -m 0 to make sure it doesn't hold back the default 10% for emegencies/root) |
| 05:08:43 | codemnky | Hi there, |
| 05:08:44 | codemnky | i have found under /proc a file kcore of 536866816 bytes!! It's too big, what is it?? |
| 05:08:44 | codemnky | Is it a dump file like the core of hpux? |
| 05:08:44 | codemnky | Can i remove it? |
| 05:08:44 | codemnky | Thanks in advance |
| 05:08:44 | codemnky | Tarek |
| 05:08:46 | codemnky | heh |
| 05:09:27 | codemnky | you can backup anything expect for the thing you aren't supposed to backup i meant |
| 05:09:33 | codemnky | except |
| 05:09:38 | codemnky | :P |
| 05:10:18 | codemnky | bbeattie: i'm guessing it's cause ext2 need more space to store internal configuration information about the drive |
| 05:10:33 | codemnky | but i might be wrong |
| 05:10:52 | bbeattie | codemnky: 10megs is a little exessive I believe, I'm just looking to see if someone knows why. |
| 05:11:40 | codemnky | maybe not |
| 05:11:42 | codemnky | though |
| 05:12:06 | codemnky | you could find out prob in the #linux channel |
| 05:12:49 | codemnky | but i would be willing to bet 1 billion dollars that's why |
| 05:13:11 | fusion94 | negative |
| 05:13:18 | fusion94 | it's all got to do with block size |
| 05:13:43 | codemnky | damn, who do i make the check out to |
| 05:15:05 | bbeattie | fusion94: do you have a recomended blocksize for SD/small filesystems? "mke2fs /dev/mmcda1 -m 0 ..." ? |
| 05:15:44 | fusion94 | i think 4k block size maximizes space iirc |
| 05:15:48 | fusion94 | but i could be wronf |
| 05:15:49 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy or asleep |
| 05:15:51 | fusion94 | wrong |
| 05:16:42 | bbeattie | what is wrong? |
| 05:18:28 | fusion94 | i was correcting my mispelling |
| 05:21:25 | bbeattie | "mke2fs /dev/mmcda1 -m 0 -b 4000" look like possibly the best options for cards? |
| 05:21:35 | bbeattie | any other recomendations? |
| 05:22:18 | fusion94 | -b 4096 actually] |
| 05:22:25 | fusion94 | 4096 == 4kb |
| 05:22:29 | fusion94 | not 4000 |
| 05:22:41 | fusion94 | it's computer math |
| 05:22:41 | fusion94 | heh |
| 05:22:46 | fusion94 | and actually |
| 05:23:08 | Yoso | There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't. |
| 05:23:13 | Yoso | Not really applicable, but I like that saying. |
| 05:23:46 | fusion94 | -m 0 should maximize space |
| 05:23:47 | bbeattie | looks around dumbly, that 4k, |
| 05:24:14 | fusion94 | but even with "-m 0" you lose approx. 5% of the disk |
| 05:24:19 | fusion94 | cant get around that |
| 05:25:08 | bbeattie | isn't there a way to disable the space reserver for root/system? |
| 05:27:41 | fusion94 | no mke2fs reserves space for the superuser and i'm not sure there's a way around that |
| 05:27:48 | bbeattie | fusion94: man says 5% is default for the space reserved, -m 0 will reserver 0% |
| 05:28:10 | fusion94 | ok |
| 05:28:16 | fusion94 | i dinna read the man page |
| 05:28:22 | fusion94 | try it out and see what you get |
| 05:28:31 | fusion94 | you can always reformat after all |
| 05:28:53 | fusion94 | Yoso: heh....yeah i sent that to my Uncle in an email for him to digest.... |
| 05:28:57 | bbeattie | I did -m 0, and nothing, as I could tell, was reserved, before I did the -m 0, some was reserved, and man page says ^ |
| 05:33:19 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 01:47:47) |
| 05:46:40 | codemnky | nite |
| 06:06:39 | Dataken | good morning |
| 06:28:39 | Dataken | lo |
| 07:29:17 | Dataken | does someone know where i can find mame roms? :) |
| 07:30:32 | rikkus | Dataken: Not on this IRC network |
| 07:46:48 | | Onyx4: sorry... |
| 07:46:48 | Onyx4 | ibot: oz changelog |
| 07:47:16 | | OK, Onyx4. |
| 07:47:16 | Onyx4 | ibot oz changelog is at http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/openzaurus/buildroot-oz/ChangeLog |
| 08:08:07 | | Onyx4: I forgot oz changelog |
| 08:08:07 | Onyx4 | ibot forget oz changelog |
| 08:27:42 | Dataken | bored :) |
| 08:28:11 | Twiun | morning folks |
| 08:32:58 | Dataken | hi |
| 08:34:29 | Twiun | how goes it? |
| 08:34:54 | | hmmm... twiun is Steph Meslin-Weber, mailto:manifest@dircon.co.uk... AND HE NEEDS A JOB! |
| 08:34:54 | Twiun | ibot: twiun |
| 08:38:47 | mutexer | how do you change the refresh rate in linux |
| 08:38:53 | mutexer | anyone know? |
| 08:39:25 | Twiun | mutexer: for X? |
| 08:39:41 | mutexer | yeah |
| 08:40:00 | Twiun | afaik, that stuff is in the modelines in your X config file |
| 08:40:03 | Twiun | in /etc/X11 |
| 08:40:19 | Twiun | bit of a black art as far as I'm concerned though |
| 08:40:46 | mutexer | the new Xandros desktop allows changing it through a GUI....I dont mind editing the XFree86 file...Ive never known how to do it |
| 08:41:24 | Twiun | same here... most I've done in that file is enable my nvidia driver |
| 08:41:36 | mutexer | yeah thats All Ive done |
| 08:41:54 | mutexer | this is such a common thing..why is it not in a gui |
| 08:42:08 | Twiun | have you checked freshmeat.net or sf.net to see if there is one? |
| 08:42:55 | mutexer | a gui? |
| 08:43:16 | Twiun | yeah |
| 08:43:41 | Twiun | I'm having a look at one called videogen... |
| 08:43:58 | mutexer | Im looking at XFree86.org to see how to do it manually |
| 08:47:37 | | scummvm is http://sourceforge.net/projects/scummvm or http://www.bbrox.org/iPAQ/scummvm.tar.gz or at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/ScummVM or http://scummvm.sourceforge.net/ |
| 08:47:37 | Onyx4 | ibot: scummvm |
| 08:50:19 | mutexer | interesting...X automatically chooses the highest refresh rate your monitor can do at the given resolution |
| 08:50:27 | Wintre | Yep |
| 08:50:28 | Wintre | It's nice |
| 08:50:54 | Twiun | so we just need to choose the res |
| 08:51:00 | mutexer | why does the refresh rate look so horrible when you drag a window |
| 08:51:43 | scanline | mutexer: that has nothing to do with the monitor refresh rate |
| 08:51:53 | mutexer | what does it have to do with? |
| 08:52:20 | scanline | mutexer: there are two things you're seeing. The "tearing" effect (jagged edges on vertical lines) is the drawing being done out of sync with your monitor's vertical refresh |
| 08:52:46 | scanline | mutexer: the other thing is that XFree86's drawing model requires apps to redraw damaged areas themselves, and that's usually associated with a delay |
| 09:04:49 | Twiun | brb, changing bit depth... |
| 09:07:30 | mutexer | IM going to sleep |
| 09:29:51 | Twiun | woops, completely forgot to log back on here ;-) |
| 10:18:33 | | Twiun: huh? |
| 10:18:33 | Twiun | ibot: qt-java |
| 10:18:40 | | qt is probably TrollTech's QT library, available at http://www.trolltech.com |
| 10:18:40 | Twiun | ibot: qt |
| 10:18:43 | | java is at (Link: http://www.blackdown.org)http://www.blackdown.org or at (Link: http://www.javasoft.com)http://www.javasoft.com or at (Link: http://www.savaje.com)http://www.savaje.com or at (Link: http://www.pocketlinux.com)http://www.pocketlinux.com or at (Link: http://java.sun.com)http://java.sun.com or at http://www.insignia.com |
| 10:18:43 | Twiun | ibot: java |
| 10:18:57 | | qtawt is a Java binding for the Qt toolkit from TrollTech, available under license from Trolltech themselves, or now available for the Kaffe VM at http://www.kaffe.org/ftp/pub/packages/kaffe-awt-qt/ (only Qt3 unfortunately) |
| 10:18:57 | Twiun | ibot: qtawt |
| 10:23:30 | | Twiun: huh? |
| 10:23:30 | Twiun | ibot: qt-java would be a qt binding for java... so far, only the qt-awt portion has been seen in the wild, look under qtawt |
| 10:23:37 | | OK, Twiun. |
| 10:23:37 | Twiun | ibot: qt-java is a qt binding for java... so far, only the qt-awt portion has been seen in the wild, look under qtawt |
| 10:45:18 | | hmmm... feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie or something you give to cattle! |
| 10:45:18 | kolla | ibot: feed |
| 11:11:14 | | ljp: I forgot feed |
| 11:11:14 | ljp | ibot: forget feed |
| 11:11:31 | | OK, ljp. |
| 11:11:31 | ljp | ibot: feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie |
| 11:12:20 | tux_mike | Microsoft Windows, on the other hand, has an epoch problem every 49.7 days - but this is seldom noticed as Windows is almost incapable of staying up continuously for that long. |
| 11:12:21 | tux_mike | lol |
| 11:17:55 | Twiun | grins |
| 11:20:32 | WingLover | Any developers awake? |
| 11:21:35 | tux_mike | winglover: it all depends on what you mean by "developers", and "awake", oh, and "any". |
| 11:21:59 | Twiun | it's all subjective... |
| 11:22:41 | WingLover | Mike, what I mean is that someone who isn't too stupid to install all the development tools (as I am). One of the programs I use needs modifying, but I can't get the environment set up to even compile it. |
| 11:23:14 | WingLover | I read this page: http://qpe.sourceforge.net/sharp.html which seems to give a brief overview of what's needed |
| 11:23:22 | tux_mike | i really hate it when they mix-up the products in the vending machine. i had to buy 2 bags of cookies to get the one i wanted. it's all an evil conspiracy |
| 11:23:28 | WingLover | haha |
| 11:24:01 | tux_mike | aaaarg! my eyes |
| 11:24:11 | tux_mike | font... too.... big... |
| 11:25:57 | tux_mike | winglover: i never installed the toolchain from handhelds.org, so i do not know how it's packaged |
| 11:26:59 | WingLover | Oh, there are other packages? |
| 11:27:20 | tux_mike | the embeddix toolchain |
| 11:27:38 | tux_mike | where did you unpack the toolchain? |
| 11:28:29 | WingLover | Unfortunately, in "/skiff/local", which according to the toolchain is the only place it will work properly. |
| 11:28:40 | WingLover | that particular part is working fine. |
| 11:28:48 | WingLover | I have a Hello World that runs on the zaurus. |
| 11:28:52 | tux_mike | ok |
| 11:29:03 | tux_mike | than what is the problem? |
| 11:29:05 | WingLover | It's all the QT stuff that I don't get. |
| 11:29:17 | WingLover | Like, presumably I need to compile these things with the cros-compiler |
| 11:29:50 | WingLover | But there's gotta be an easier way than "edit lots of makefiles" |
| 11:30:11 | tux_mike | well, first off you should get the RPM files from trolltech's ftp |
| 11:31:23 | WingLover | That would probably be a lot easier, wouldn't it. |
| 11:31:35 | tux_mike | yes. it's already compiled |
| 11:31:40 | WingLover | hell, the RPM files probably already have the libs compiled. |
| 11:31:46 | WingLover | yeah |
| 11:34:34 | numatrix | Morning, TA |
| 11:34:47 | numatrix | You actually awake or is your chat client auto-reconnecting? |
| 11:36:51 | WingLover | Hmm, can't see any RPM files on the ftp.. |
| 11:37:14 | tux_mike | they are on there, poke around. |
| 11:51:56 | erikd | awww, bigboss isn't around =/ |
| 11:52:08 | erikd | does anyone here use aethera? |
| 11:53:09 | tux_mike | nope. switch to a real mail client :) |
| 11:53:55 | scanline | is away: Surprise Bagel! with hash browns... |
| 11:54:45 | erikd | tux: well, i was looking for something i could sync with my z when i get it |
| 11:55:09 | erikd | and i want an OSS one so i can add support for the mutt mailbox files i've been saving to so far |
| 11:55:54 | tux_mike | i use evolution. as soon as kitchensync is made, you should be able to use it :) |
| 11:56:29 | cranch | MasterMind: you here? |
| 11:56:33 | erikd | uhhh... they're actually making a program called kitchensync? |
| 11:56:43 | cranch | its coming up in KDE 3.1 |
| 11:56:45 | cranch | I think... |
| 11:56:51 | erikd | that's funny |
| 11:56:51 | tux_mike | yah, zecke is doing it. it's gonna be a part of KDE3.1 |
| 11:57:14 | tux_mike | now we can truly say kde has everything :) |
| 11:57:25 | Indi- | lol |
| 11:57:45 | erikd | hehehe |
| 12:00:59 | Xentac | is back (gone 07:37:13) |
| 12:01:11 | erikd | bleh, i can't find a project page for kitchensync |
| 12:01:15 | erikd | how will it work? |
| 12:01:29 | ljp_work | it uses plugins |
| 12:01:37 | tux_mike | what ljp said |
| 12:01:46 | ljp_work | so anyone can write a plugin to sync something |
| 12:02:03 | erikd | ah |
| 12:02:15 | ljp_work | so you could sync your fridge with your toaster |
| 12:02:26 | tux_mike | damn. you beat me to it :P |
| 12:02:32 | erikd | hmm |
| 12:02:42 | ljp_work | as long as the toaster runs kde |
| 12:02:44 | erikd | i'm going to web-enable my sink |
| 12:03:00 | erikd | and my fridge |
| 12:03:04 | ljp_work | heh /etc/rc.d/disposal start |
| 12:03:14 | erikd | hehe, yeah |
| 12:03:23 | ljp_work | heh /etc/rc.d/dishwasher start |
| 12:03:46 | ljp_work | heh /etc/rc.d/wife sleep |
| 12:04:23 | numatrix|meeting | ljp: dang, i need that script... |
| 12:04:26 | tux_mike | great. i hate windows |
| 12:04:38 | erikd | me too |
| 12:04:57 | ljp_work | I like windows.. you can see the outside from the inside |
| 12:05:05 | Indi- | http://pim.kde.org/development/ksync.php |
| 12:05:06 | ljp_work | its like.. transparent wall |
| 12:05:07 | erikd | nah |
| 12:05:12 | tux_mike | i just deleted about 200M of files and now the whole thing is going nuts |
| 12:05:19 | erikd | the outside world is frightening |
| 12:05:27 | ljp_work | ahhh /WINNT? |
| 12:05:30 | kolla | the big blue room |
| 12:06:01 | ljp_work | whoops that'd be \WINNT |
| 12:06:06 | numatrix|meeting | ljp: unfortunately, with windows sometimes you cant see in from out... |
| 12:06:20 | tux_mike | no, a non-system folder |
| 12:06:37 | ljp_work | ya.. my WINNT is huge |
| 12:06:39 | tux_mike | and if it was \winnt it woudl be more like several gigabytes of data |
| 12:07:12 | tux_mike | now i feeping have to manually restart exploder |
| 12:08:44 | tux_mike | wants his kde desktop!!! |
| 12:08:59 | ljp_work | kde runs on winders |
| 12:09:09 | ljp_work | or use litestep |
| 12:09:12 | tux_mike | kde 3? |
| 12:09:16 | erikd | tux: with evolution would i be able to save my mail messages automatically to a mounted smb share? |
| 12:09:18 | ljp_work | heh probably not kde3 |
| 12:09:28 | tux_mike | erikd: you should be |
| 12:09:35 | ljp_work | litestep is a great explorer shell replacement |
| 12:09:36 | erikd | ok, i'll have to try that |
| 12:10:01 | erikd | the main reason i started using mutt as my main email client is because i got sick of losing my email every time i reformatted |
| 12:10:04 | kolla | erikd: I sort of used to do that with kmail |
| 12:10:34 | kolla | problem was that kmail tended to crash alot with folders on smb mounted shares |
| 12:10:35 | erikd | kolla: what'd you do? |
| 12:10:40 | erikd | ah |
| 12:10:48 | erikd | maybe i should make a mail nfs share |
| 12:10:58 | erikd | hasn't played with nfs at all, though |
| 12:11:11 | kolla | I ended up going back to pine.. as always :) |
| 12:11:18 | numatrix | Hmm; zic doesn't exit from irc when you close it down apparently. |
| 12:11:20 | erikd | mutt > pine :) |
| 12:11:22 | ljp_work | pine is aewsome |
| 12:11:27 | numatrix | kolla: I stick with pine too. |
| 12:11:31 | erikd | geh |
| 12:11:35 | erikd | i'm out numbered! |
| 12:11:45 | kolla | :) |
| 12:11:53 | ljp_work | in fact, I am compiling pine as we speak.. emerge net-mail/pine ;) |
| 12:12:05 | kolla | mutt is nice if you like spending afternoons configuring your mail reader - I dont :) |
| 12:12:16 | erikd | nah, do it once and you're set |
| 12:12:24 | erikd | i have it configured just how i want it :) |
| 12:12:40 | kolla | the imap part was too crappy for me |
| 12:12:43 | erikd | just back up ~/.muttrc |
| 12:12:44 | cranch | I need to relfash my Z quick :) what initrd.bin do I put on it :) |
| 12:12:45 | erikd | ah |
| 12:12:50 | erikd | i don't use imap |
| 12:13:18 | kolla | with pine it's just a matter of putting {imap-server}/path/to/folder |
| 12:13:32 | Twiun | screams! |
| 12:13:49 | Twiun | Anyone here use tomcat? |
| 12:13:52 | kolla | .. in .pinerc |
| 12:14:16 | kolla | Twiun: nope, but I know people who do.. they also scream from time to time :) |
| 12:14:17 | erikd | i have a server named tomcat |
| 12:14:20 | erikd | does that help? :) |
| 12:14:27 | Twiun | argh! |
| 12:14:39 | JasonNJ | yo twiun |
| 12:14:46 | JasonNJ | what the heck happened to your web site? |
| 12:14:48 | Twiun | kolla: this time I'm screaming because I can't find some source... |
| 12:14:56 | Twiun | JasonNJ: adsl went kaput |
| 12:15:09 | JasonNJ | oh, ok. Do you still have the source files? |
| 12:15:10 | Twiun | JasonNJ: had to change isp's and it's taking ages |
| 12:15:15 | JasonNJ | we can mirror it on ZaurusZone |
| 12:15:25 | JasonNJ | thats a really important document |
| 12:15:37 | Twiun | JasonNJ: which sources did you need? |
| 12:15:46 | Twiun | JasonNJ: remember, it's all dynamically generated |
| 12:15:47 | JasonNJ | the entire java document you wrote |
| 12:16:11 | Twiun | oh yeah, I had offsite backups |
| 12:16:22 | Twiun | I just need to get the server up and running again |
| 12:16:27 | Twiun | and the dns sorted |
| 12:16:48 | JasonNJ | ok, cause if its a cost issue we can give you server space on ZaurusZone |
| 12:16:52 | scanline | is back (gone 00:22:56) |
| 12:17:20 | Twiun | Thanks, what I'll probably do is a weekly static-snapshot you can mirror if you want |
| 12:17:25 | JasonNJ | ok |
| 12:17:32 | JasonNJ | send the sources to benmeyer |
| 12:17:37 | JasonNJ | meyerb@sharpsec.com |
| 12:17:42 | JasonNJ | cause he is doing the HOWTOS page |
| 12:17:46 | JasonNJ | we can make it part of that |
| 12:17:55 | Twiun | will do as soon as the dns works |
| 12:18:09 | JasonNJ | we thought you fell off the end of the earth |
| 12:18:24 | Twiun | So did I... |
| 12:18:33 | Twiun | all I had was dialup - and that's expensive here |
| 12:18:43 | Twiun | sorry if I didn't pop in more often |
| 12:19:04 | Twiun | the last month's been a little hectic |
| 12:20:15 | Twiun | atm I'm looking for a crucial .so file - and for some reason there aren't any builds or sources on apache.org |
| 12:20:20 | Twiun | and it's pissing me off |
| 12:20:28 | cranch | there any new SharpROM's coming out soon JasonNJ? |
| 12:20:48 | JasonNJ | cranch: yeah but just minor tweaks |
| 12:21:07 | cranch | damn....any news of Opera 6 comning to the Z? |
| 12:21:11 | cranch | beings its on the A300 |
| 12:21:21 | JasonNJ | cranch: i am testing opera 6 now |
| 12:21:25 | JasonNJ | its nice, but its bigger. |
| 12:21:27 | cranch | cool :) |
| 12:21:36 | cranch | slower..or just bigger? |
| 12:21:41 | JasonNJ | bigger |
| 12:21:51 | JasonNJ | has flash and improved PDF plugins |
| 12:21:58 | cranch | oh...well bigger is better right? |
| 12:22:12 | JasonNJ | well, it might be tough for us to fit in the ROM |
| 12:22:16 | cranch | haha |
| 12:22:20 | JasonNJ | we'd have to take a whole bunch of stuff out |
| 12:22:20 | cranch | take out some shit :) |
| 12:22:31 | JasonNJ | well, the Korean version of the 5500 has opera 6 |
| 12:22:40 | JasonNJ | not sure if it has all the plugins installed |
| 12:22:41 | cranch | haha :) |
| 12:22:43 | Twiun | applet support in this opera? |
| 12:22:52 | JasonNJ | yeah I beleive it has it |
| 12:23:08 | Twiun | that's great, it's the biggest gripe I've heard people moan about |
| 12:23:15 | Twiun | (along with flash ;-) |
| 12:23:23 | JasonNJ | of course the backend is still jeode |
| 12:23:36 | JasonNJ | so if the applet isnt JDK 1.1, it wont execute anyways |
| 12:23:39 | cranch | NJ: you have OZ on your Zaurus? |
| 12:23:44 | JasonNJ | not sure how useful that is |
| 12:23:47 | ljp_work | why did sharp go with a 16 mb rom? |
| 12:23:51 | JasonNJ | cranch: I test it from time to time |
| 12:23:56 | cranch | hehe :) |
| 12:24:02 | JasonNJ | at major milestones |
| 12:24:10 | cranch | otherwise sharprom? |
| 12:24:13 | cranch | 2.37? |
| 12:24:19 | JasonNJ | 2.38 |
| 12:24:33 | cranch | what did they do to syncing in 2.38 again? |
| 12:24:55 | Twiun | depending on how much of overhead opera is, it should be enough, for now |
| 12:24:59 | JasonNJ | they shut off the sync service over non/usb ip addresses |
| 12:25:10 | cranch | ahhh...gotcha |
| 12:25:12 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin everyone |
| 12:25:15 | cranch | I should sync over wireless |
| 12:25:20 | cranch | morning cloud |
| 12:25:21 | Cloudchaser | and wb Twiun! |
| 12:25:21 | Twiun | Heya Cloudchaser |
| 12:25:26 | Twiun | waves |
| 12:25:30 | Cloudchaser | was wondering where you were off to |
| 12:25:40 | Twiun | kaput dsl ;-) |
| 12:25:50 | Twiun | dsl back up, but dns still up the fritz |
| 12:25:54 | Cloudchaser | well its good to see you back |
| 12:26:11 | Twiun | JasonNJ: lead time on my site going back should be 3-5 days |
| 12:26:19 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin rikkus_ |
| 12:26:32 | Twiun | is moving his dns admin to Public DNS |
| 12:26:36 | rikkus_ | Cloudchaser: hi |
| 12:26:39 | JasonNJ | Tiwun: got any cool java stuff brewin? |
| 12:27:15 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/ff3_sdlgl.jpeg |
| 12:27:19 | Cloudchaser | JasonNJ: you said opera 6 is bigger, maybe too big for z rom, does the a300 have more rom? |
| 12:27:38 | Twiun | JasonNJ: Not really... I've been too busy jobhunting |
| 12:27:50 | Cloudchaser | Twiun: any luck with that? |
| 12:27:58 | Twiun | JasonNJ: Although I'm thinking of a few things, nothing coded yet |
| 12:27:59 | JasonNJ | Cloud: the A300 has the same rom space |
| 12:28:22 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: I've had a few calls back and one phone interview from Accenture |
| 12:28:35 | Cloudchaser | hehe no way to squeeze in opera6 at all? |
| 12:28:47 | Cloudchaser | Twiun: well best of luck with the job search! |
| 12:28:56 | JasonNJ | Cloud: we're investigating it, but it will probably require ripping out some stuff |
| 12:29:10 | JasonNJ | deleting all the games would probably make room |
| 12:29:16 | JasonNJ | I have to get them to agree to it |
| 12:29:20 | JasonNJ | there are also licensing costs |
| 12:29:26 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: thanks! |
| 12:29:28 | Cloudchaser | can't you put games in separate ipkg? |
| 12:29:37 | JasonNJ | cloud: we could certainly do that |
| 12:29:51 | Twiun | JasonNJ: Or just pump some java-only games on there? |
| 12:29:59 | Twiun | seeing as Jeode is a must |
| 12:30:33 | Twiun | finally found a cvs snapshot of the .so file! |
| 12:32:49 | JasonNJ | I think what we may end up doing though, is having Opera sell their browser on Myzaurus.com to existing customers |
| 12:33:27 | Twiun | hmmm, jeode too? |
| 12:33:44 | Twiun | I'm just thinking how we've never been able to get good developer support from them |
| 12:34:11 | Cloudchaser | JasonNJ: would you remove it from the rom then? |
| 12:34:40 | ljp_work | or put the games on a cf and send them to all z owners ;) |
| 12:34:45 | JasonNJ | ljp: no |
| 12:34:49 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 12:34:59 | JasonNJ | the way it isntalls now, its just an ipkg |
| 12:35:02 | ljp_work | sd? |
| 12:35:10 | JasonNJ | it just inserts a symbolic link over the current one |
| 12:35:14 | JasonNJ | overrides it |
| 12:35:16 | Twiun | ljp_work: it was worth a try ;-) I would've said on a SD card personally... |
| 12:35:23 | Cloudchaser | just takes up more space though |
| 12:35:36 | Cloudchaser | i like that its in rom ;) |
| 12:36:04 | Cloudchaser | but any way we can get it, its all good |
| 12:36:09 | Cloudchaser | as long as we CAN get it |
| 12:36:34 | Cloudchaser | how much do you suppose they'd charge for it? |
| 12:36:44 | JasonNJ | dunno |
| 12:37:09 | JasonNJ | what do they charge for their symbian version? |
| 12:37:20 | Cloudchaser | hmm i dont know |
| 12:37:30 | Cloudchaser | hey i have another question: |
| 12:37:46 | Cloudchaser | did anyone do a database creation application for the contest? |
| 12:38:12 | Cloudchaser | somehing that would let users create simple database/forms... |
| 12:40:02 | numatrix | JasonNJ: does it work with openzaurus? |
| 12:41:02 | Cloudchaser | i have a question for anyone who might be able to answer.. i found a linux app that says it requires motif |
| 12:42:00 | Cloudchaser | does that take the place of something like gnome? |
| 12:42:35 | Indi- | motif is a UI library i believe |
| 12:42:40 | Indi- | bit like Qt |
| 12:42:53 | ljp_work | but motif is butt ugly |
| 12:42:55 | Cloudchaser | ah ok so i could install it without messing something else up |
| 12:43:06 | Twiun | maybe your sanity ;-) |
| 12:43:16 | Cloudchaser | hehe well the database for kgrok requires motif |
| 12:43:19 | Cloudchaser | to make the databases |
| 12:43:22 | Indi- | netscape 4.x used motif iirc |
| 12:43:44 | Cloudchaser | and i'm trying desperately to find something |
| 12:43:51 | Cloudchaser | that i can make little db's with |
| 12:44:00 | JasonNJ | numatrix: I presume it works with OZ |
| 12:44:03 | JasonNJ | I havent tested it |
| 12:44:13 | Cloudchaser | i tried tkcrekall but with the xbase the column widths are fixed |
| 12:44:36 | numatrix | JasonNJ: I only ask since I don't know anybody who's gotten the current opera working in OZ... |
| 12:44:48 | Cloudchaser | and that isn't too acceptable for what i want to do |
| 12:45:07 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: had a word with BB? |
| 12:45:35 | Cloudchaser | well i think rekall is more for sql front ends and the like |
| 12:45:41 | Cloudchaser | and there's no runtime yet, although one is coming |
| 12:46:23 | Cloudchaser | i've started reading c tutorials and i've read a bit on qt |
| 12:46:38 | Cloudchaser | but it could take me years to be actually able to write up my own little apps |
| 12:46:52 | ljp_work | clouschaser is going to start developjng? |
| 12:46:58 | Cloudchaser | oh ljp i wish |
| 12:47:17 | Cloudchaser | i am not sure how far i'll get with it |
| 12:47:24 | Cloudchaser | and i am not sure i'll have the time |
| 12:47:45 | Cloudchaser | i just want some little apps to make my life easier, but learning to program will NOT make my life easier ;) |
| 12:48:06 | ljp_work | nope, it'll make you go insane |
| 12:48:19 | Cloudchaser | and i'm already too close to that |
| 12:48:32 | Twiun | we weren't going to mention it... |
| 12:48:35 | Cloudchaser | haha |
| 12:48:40 | Cloudchaser | i already know ;) |
| 12:49:24 | Cloudchaser | i would pay somone to write me my apps if i could afford it |
| 12:51:05 | | zecke was last seen on #handhelds.org 3 days, 3 hours, 54 minutes and 35 seconds ago, saying: Tangent: do you know teambuilder from Trolltech? [Sun Sep 15 09:56:29 2002] |
| 12:51:05 | bipolar | ibot: seen zecke? |
| 12:51:08 | | Cloudchaser: i'm not following you... |
| 12:51:08 | Cloudchaser | ibot qtopia sdk |
| 12:51:16 | | qt is TrollTech's QT library, available at http://www.trolltech.com |
| 12:51:16 | Cloudchaser | ibot qt |
| 12:51:37 | | Twiun: i'm not following you... |
| 12:51:37 | Twiun | ibot: sdk |
| 12:51:41 | | well, qtopia is the new name for QPE and it is at qpe.sourceforge.net or a more well developed and binary compatable fork of qtopia is opie |
| 12:51:41 | ljp_work | ibot qtopia |
| 12:52:02 | Cloudchaser | hehe i'm trying to find the linux free one but not qt3 |
| 12:54:06 | | OK, ljp_work. |
| 12:54:06 | ljp_work | ibot: qtopia sdk is available from ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/ and info is here http://www.trolltech.com/developer/download/qtopia.html |
| 12:54:15 | benmeyer | hi |
| 12:54:21 | benmeyer | anyone have a 56k modem and oz? |
| 12:54:47 | ljp_work | I have both, but the modem doesnt fit into the Z's motherboard |
| 12:54:51 | Twiun | heya ben |
| 12:55:29 | bipolar | is anyone here running kde3.1 beta1 or better? |
| 12:55:35 | Cloudchaser | ljp: which one do i need? |
| 12:56:17 | Cloudchaser | the GPL SDK LInux 386 one? |
| 12:57:36 | ljp_work | yep |
| 12:58:49 | bipolar | I've got kde 3.1 built on my gentoo system. I'm searching for the syncing stuff. |
| 12:58:59 | bipolar | perhaps it's not built by default? |
| 12:59:10 | tux_mike | bipolar: cvs or beta? |
| 12:59:19 | bipolar | tux_mike: beta |
| 12:59:34 | tux_mike | it is not in the beta. only cvs |
| 12:59:47 | ljp_work | its not yet on 3.1 beta because the pim software needs fixing |
| 12:59:53 | bipolar | tux_mike: So now I could just check out that part of cvs and build? which one? |
| 12:59:54 | ljp_work | its in cvs tho |
| 13:02:09 | ljp_work | I think its in with pim... somewhere |
| 13:03:35 | tux_mike | how well doe it actually work right now? |
| 13:04:08 | Twiun | can't get the damn mod_jk source to build... |
| 13:04:37 | ljp_work | kitchensync? |
| 13:04:45 | tux_mike | yah |
| 13:05:24 | ljp_work | not real sure, harlekin or zecke knows. I think kde's pim is slightly broken right ow, so it doesn't entirely work all the way |
| 13:05:56 | tux_mike | i'm building up an experiment box out of my old laptop to test such things :) |
| 13:06:28 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:07:16 | bipolar | tux_mike: I've got VMWare. :) |
| 13:07:30 | bipolar | tux_mike: Makes things quite easy |
| 13:07:42 | chouimat | bipolar: 3.2? |
| 13:07:44 | bipolar | tux_mike: better then a spare box, anyway. |
| 13:07:45 | prpplague | bipolar: better see a doctor and get rid of it |
| 13:07:56 | bipolar | prpplague: lol |
| 13:08:15 | bipolar | chouimat: I'm running 3.1.1 right now. |
| 13:08:33 | chouimat | I have 3.2 |
| 13:10:10 | Twiun | found a small mod_jk archive! thank god for people's excentricities... |
| 13:12:53 | jmhodges | jk? |
| 13:13:05 | Twiun | yeah, the tomcat connector |
| 13:13:17 | Twiun | for some reason there aren't any builds in the build directories at apache |
| 13:14:14 | tux_mike | bi: well, i have the extra boxen |
| 13:16:20 | Xentac | is away: werk-ink |
| 13:17:23 | Xentac | is away: verk-ink |
| 13:21:04 | erikd | well, i got my CF card today |
| 13:21:10 | erikd | maybe i'll get lucky and my z will come later today |
| 13:21:36 | tux_mike | nope |
| 13:21:52 | erikd | why? |
| 13:22:51 | tux_mike | because i diverted it in shipping and sent it to the peak of mt fuji. it should get there in 2 weeks, you can pick it up then :) hehehe |
| 13:22:58 | erikd | BAH |
| 13:23:02 | erikd | you're evil |
| 13:23:19 | tux_mike | why, thank you ! :) |
| 13:23:24 | erikd | :) |
| 13:23:44 | erikd | makes a note to remove tux from his xmas card list |
| 13:24:20 | tux_mike | i was on your xmas card list? how the hell did that happen? :) |
| 13:24:52 | erikd | you told me about evolution (which i'm compiling right now) :) |
| 13:25:00 | erikd | so you were on there for about an hour |
| 13:25:02 | benmeyer | erikd: I took my tux, put some string on it and hung it from my rear view mirror |
| 13:25:02 | erikd | ;) |
| 13:25:28 | erikd | so you hung tux!@#$ |
| 13:25:31 | erikd | gah |
| 13:25:36 | erikd | you're even more evil! |
| 13:25:37 | erikd | :) |
| 13:25:49 | benmeyer | haha, actually my wife sowed it into the top of his head |
| 13:25:53 | benmeyer | like an ornamant |
| 13:26:08 | erikd | ah |
| 13:26:13 | tux_mike | my tux is in my cupholder |
| 13:26:15 | erikd | evolution just finished |
| 13:26:20 | benmeyer | and it is elastic rather then string so when driving he swing back and forth and bounces up and down. most amusing |
| 13:26:21 | erikd | doesn't have a tux |
| 13:26:38 | tux_mike | i need to tack him down to the shelf under my rear windhield |
| 13:27:06 | Twiun | brb |
| 13:29:57 | erikd | pfft |
| 13:30:04 | erikd | evolution isn't off to a good start |
| 13:30:08 | erikd | mail just crashed |
| 13:30:09 | erikd | :) |
| 13:30:39 | erikd|class | bbl |
| 13:30:44 | tux_mike | you current on all libs? |
| 13:30:55 | erikd|class | i think so? |
| 13:31:00 | erikd|class | i emerged it |
| 13:31:05 | erikd|class | is using gentoo |
| 13:31:20 | tux_mike | emerged? |
| 13:31:36 | erikd|class | yeah, like apt-get install |
| 13:31:50 | erikd|class | it's whenever i go into the mail settings |
| 13:31:57 | erikd|class | evolution-mail segfaults |
| 13:32:09 | erikd|class | maybe i'll just compile it by hand without emerging it |
| 13:32:09 | erikd|class | alwell |
| 13:32:13 | erikd|class | class time anyway |
| 13:44:21 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 08:28:31) |
| 13:49:33 | ciaolinux | morning |
| 13:49:50 | kergoth | hey |
| 13:50:48 | ciaolinux | any news today? |
| 13:52:17 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:53:04 | tux_mike | i'd say, most likely no. |
| 13:53:13 | tux_mike | at least, none that i care about |
| 13:53:15 | kergoth | seems pretty dead today |
| 13:53:25 | kergoth | dead at work here too, aint shit to do |
| 13:53:42 | tux_mike | kergoth: here too |
| 13:54:04 | tux_mike | but a good thing is i got up to F in the jargon file :) |
| 13:54:30 | kergoth | hah |
| 13:54:49 | tux_mike | i'll have it done in a month :) |
| 13:54:59 | tux_mike | the jargon file is huge :) |
| 13:55:38 | | I haven't seen 'Taez', ciaolinux |
| 13:55:38 | ciaolinux | ibot: seen Taez |
| 13:55:39 | | I haven't seen 'Taex', ciaolinux |
| 13:55:39 | ciaolinux | ibot: seen Taex |
| 13:55:44 | | Teax was last seen on #zaurus 19 hours, 38 minutes and 53 seconds ago, saying: TheMasterMind1: i tried to call mplayer-start then mplayerx but mplayer doesn't get the keyboard input [Tue Sep 17 19:16:51 2002] |
| 13:55:44 | ciaolinux | ibot: seen Teax |
| 13:56:13 | ciaolinux | what is jargon? |
| 13:56:17 | | ciaolinux: what? |
| 13:56:17 | ciaolinux | ibot: jargon |
| 13:57:46 | | OK, tux_mike. |
| 13:57:46 | tux_mike | ibot jargon is the jargon file, maintained by Eric Raymond and is located at http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon |
| 14:16:25 | jaytee | is anyone developing a better battery applet? |
| 14:16:38 | jaytee | (or do I have an old version?) |
| 14:18:14 | ljp_work | better in what way.. there's only 4 batter levels |
| 14:18:37 | jaytee | and they are 5, 25, 40, 100 ? |
| 14:18:47 | jaytee | or what |
| 14:19:12 | kergoth | jaytee: the limitation is in the battery status check functions in the Z kernel |
| 14:19:57 | kergoth | jaytee: the points are 1% (CRITICAL), 5% (VERY LOW), 40% (LOW), and 100% (FULL) |
| 14:20:28 | Twiun | Heya kergoth |
| 14:20:38 | kergoth | hey Twiun, hows it goin? |
| 14:20:54 | jaytee | decides research in the battery applet realm would be good |
| 14:21:19 | kergoth | jaytee: as i said, it has nothing to do with the applet |
| 14:21:43 | prpplague | kergoth: don't forget .5%(SCO USER BRAIN USAGE) |
| 14:21:51 | jaytee | kergoth: then where is it... my laptop battery info is a bit more detailed |
| 14:21:58 | kergoth | jaytee: you're not listening. |
| 14:22:18 | kergoth | jaytee: the limitation is in the *battery status check functions in the Zaurus kernel* |
| 14:22:31 | kergoth | jaytee: the applet is qtopia/opie just queries apm for the information |
| 14:22:35 | kergoth | s/is/in/ |
| 14:22:51 | jaytee | kergoth: then the kernel needs tweking |
| 14:22:57 | kergoth | jaytee: no |
| 14:23:08 | kergoth | jaytee: a great deal of the kernel is in dire need of a rewrite |
| 14:23:11 | kergoth | jaytee: :) |
| 14:23:29 | Twiun | kergoth: better ;-) got adsl up at last, dns should be back soon too |
| 14:23:34 | kergoth | ahh nice |
| 14:23:53 | chouimat | kergoth: linux need not only a rewrite but a redesign :) |
| 14:23:55 | bipolar | where would I get the tools to mount samba shares on my Zaurus? |
| 14:24:01 | kergoth | chouimat: indeed. |
| 14:24:17 | Twiun | kergoth: so I'm rebuilding all my servers after those ibm hdd died on me |
| 14:24:23 | tux_mike | hey, at least linux is much better than NT |
| 14:24:32 | Twiun | bipolar: not on zsi or sf.net? |
| 14:24:35 | chouimat | kergoth: something like qnx :) |
| 14:24:46 | kergoth | chouimat: just use qnx :) |
| 14:25:02 | bipolar | Twiun: not in the OZ feed. Does the module exist? |
| 14:25:17 | kergoth | bipolar: what module? |
| 14:25:25 | Twiun | kergoth: so far, apache, postfix, openwebmail, ssh are working... working on tomcat so I can get my faq site back online |
| 14:25:29 | kergoth | bipolar: moutn -t smbfs runs mount.smbfs which runs smbmount |
| 14:26:04 | tux_mike | oh, kergoth, i haven't been able to mount NFS exports in OZ recently |
| 14:26:08 | kergoth | ugh i've got a headache |
| 14:26:14 | kergoth | tux_mike: ? nothing has changed.. |
| 14:26:19 | kergoth | tux_mike: same kernels as always |
| 14:26:19 | kergoth | odd |
| 14:26:31 | tux_mike | recently as being the last several revisions :) |
| 14:26:34 | bipolar | kergoth: take some advil.... and a shot of whisky |
| 14:26:44 | ljp_work | tequilla |
| 14:26:52 | tux_mike | bipolar: that is very bad for the liver |
| 14:26:52 | bipolar | yuck |
| 14:26:54 | tux_mike | rum |
| 14:27:09 | bipolar | tux_mike: but it's good for headaches. lol |
| 14:27:18 | chouimat | vodka |
| 14:27:23 | kergoth | hehe. any of the above works for em |
| 14:28:20 | ljp_work | how about a shot of each |
| 14:28:33 | ljp_work | you wont remember you have a headache |
| 14:29:38 | tux_mike | it'd take a few more than 4 to forget that :) |
| 14:30:06 | kergoth | indeed |
| 14:33:56 | ljp_work | ok, two shots of each |
| 14:34:14 | tux_mike | that's getting there |
| 14:40:52 | ljp_work | of course, you'll need that bartender app at myzaurus in order to know what you are mixing correctly |
| 14:44:51 | imm | hi |
| 14:45:01 | bipolar | how do I keep opieplayer 2 from letting the zaurus suspend while playing? |
| 14:46:08 | ferrarigirl | Hi all |
| 14:47:01 | bipolar | I was happy as a clown walking around the office listening to streaming webcasts wirelessly on my Z until it suspended :p |
| 14:47:15 | ferrarigirl | I recently set up my laptop to hook up with my zaurus and yesterday I went to install a new wireless nic on it and can't seem to get it going, Does anyone know if the CDCEther driver is required for the wireless PCMCIA card to work? |
| 14:48:02 | kergoth | ferrarigirl: no |
| 14:48:12 | kergoth | ferrarigirl: cdcether is ethernet over usb, nothing to do with wireless |
| 14:48:20 | ferrarigirl | ok |
| 14:48:38 | ferrarigirl | heh I am pulling my hair out on this one |
| 14:48:56 | tux_mike | damnit i hate people who send HTML email. |
| 14:49:00 | kergoth | tux_mike: dont we all |
| 14:49:03 | XavierXeon | too |
| 14:49:06 | kergoth | ferrarigirl: what rom, what card, what symptoms? |
| 14:49:08 | ferrarigirl | they should all me shot |
| 14:49:19 | tux_mike | if i wanted HTML i'd go to the fescking web! |
| 14:49:37 | Twiun | agrees |
| 14:50:09 | ferrarigirl | kergoth: it is a card for my laptop.. d-link DWL-650+, looks like a kernel panic when I boot |
| 14:50:23 | XavierXeon | tux_mike: but html mail is so nice. you can receive javascript viruses with it. |
| 14:50:25 | ferrarigirl | Haven't made it to the zaurus wireless install yet ;) |
| 14:50:38 | tux_mike | xavier: yah. i want those so much |
| 14:50:56 | XavierXeon | tux_mike: who doen't |
| 14:51:03 | kergoth | ferrarigirl: oh fun |
| 14:51:03 | XavierXeon | err doesn't |
| 14:51:06 | Twiun | XavierXeon: all the more reason to use javascript-ignorant web browsers to browse your webmail ;-) |
| 14:51:42 | ferrarigirl | I just want a complete wireless network.. is that too much to ask |
| 14:52:17 | tux_mike | ferrari: then why are you using dlink? :) (ex-tech support and avid hater of dlink) |
| 14:52:21 | XavierXeon | Twiun: i have javascript turned off for all my webmail sites |
| 14:52:46 | Twiun | XavierXeon: Hehe, the move of a sensible person ;-) |
| 14:52:53 | ferrarigirl | tux_mike} because it was super cheap.. and money is tight |
| 14:53:11 | ferrarigirl | tux_mike} got the router and card for 130 |
| 14:53:20 | tux_mike | well, you usually get what you pay for. anyway, have you tried to rebuild the prisim drivers? |
| 14:53:46 | ferrarigirl | heh yeah.. and I know better usually but got over anxious for the wireless |
| 14:53:57 | ferrarigirl | no I haven't ..I guess I should try that |
| 14:54:26 | tux_mike | yah, that'd be my first reccomendation. snarf a new kernel source and build it with that preferably |
| 14:54:52 | ferrarigirl | alrighty, I will give it a go now. Thanks :) |
| 14:55:07 | tux_mike | no problem |
| 14:55:38 | Harlekin | hi * |
| 14:55:39 | ljp_work | anyone here us acceleratedX? |
| 14:55:45 | ljp_work | err use |
| 14:55:57 | tux_mike | ljp: newp. i have NVidia cards. no need |
| 14:56:36 | Twiun | ljp_work: same as tux_mike ;-) |
| 14:56:53 | Twiun | talking of that... |
| 14:57:05 | ljp_work | no need.. heh |
| 14:57:10 | Twiun | kergoth: have you had the time to give NWN/Wine a go yet? |
| 14:58:01 | chouimat | Twiun: NWN/Wine? |
| 14:58:12 | kergoth | Twiun: nope, havent done any gaming in weeks |
| 14:58:21 | Twiun | chouimat: Neverwinter Nights on Wine |
| 14:58:31 | tux_mike | NWN runs under wine?! |
| 14:58:42 | Twiun | tux_mike: like a dream ;-) |
| 14:58:42 | chouimat | Twiun: don't know that game |
| 14:58:56 | tux_mike | chouimat: the best game ever!! |
| 14:59:01 | tux_mike | twiun: winex? |
| 14:59:04 | whardier | winer |
| 14:59:09 | treke | waits for the binaries |
| 14:59:11 | Twiun | tux_mike: nope, just the normal opengl wine build |
| 14:59:17 | chouimat | tux_mike: what type? |
| 14:59:24 | whardier | winex rules |
| 14:59:26 | whardier | hehe |
| 14:59:29 | whardier | wine in general |
| 14:59:30 | tux_mike | from winehq's default CVS branch? |
| 14:59:31 | whardier | I can run putty |
| 14:59:40 | tux_mike | chou: it's a role playing game |
| 14:59:44 | tux_mike | whar: ... |
| 14:59:47 | whardier | heh |
| 14:59:56 | Twiun | tux_mike: I used a build rpm for redhat... lemme get you a link |
| 15:00:06 | chouimat | tux_mike: with f***** 3D graphics ? |
| 15:00:07 | tux_mike | in 7.3? no need |
| 15:00:09 | Twiun | http://wine.dataparty.no/ |
| 15:00:18 | whardier | I would rather have vmware add opengl support somehow |
| 15:00:23 | tux_mike | oh, those builds |
| 15:00:28 | tux_mike | i'll try it tonight |
| 15:00:35 | numatrix | Doh; kismet wants libpanel.so.4. What's that from? |
| 15:00:36 | whardier | or make its video output driver use SDL |
| 15:00:36 | whardier | heh |
| 15:00:38 | tux_mike | chouimat: it's wonderful |
| 15:00:42 | tux_mike | seriously. |
| 15:01:00 | whardier | I can ru linux on my video card |
| 15:01:03 | whardier | blah blah blah |
| 15:01:04 | whardier | hehe |
| 15:01:07 | whardier | nm |
| 15:01:08 | tux_mike | i'm not easily addicted to games, and this one has me hook-line-and-sinker |
| 15:01:12 | chouimat | tux_mike: I hope it better than last Ultima, I just sweared at the f***** camera |
| 15:01:21 | Twiun | is on the phone... |
| 15:01:25 | tux_mike | twiun: did you use the built ones? |
| 15:01:32 | Twiun | yup |
| 15:01:36 | whardier | don't curse while Twiun is on the phone |
| 15:01:37 | tux_mike | chouimat: camera only moves when you tell it to |
| 15:01:37 | Twiun | the opengl one |
| 15:01:54 | tux_mike | i will try it tonight |
| 15:01:56 | chouimat | tux_mike: but nothing beat Ultima VI :) |
| 15:02:06 | whardier | hmm |
| 15:02:11 | whardier | as far as addictive group gaming goes |
| 15:02:15 | whardier | I think Armagetron wins |
| 15:02:35 | whardier | I accedently hooked up a frat house with a doze version |
| 15:02:52 | whardier | and whenever I come over it sounds like lightcycle rama 2000 |
| 15:03:03 | tux_mike | chouimat: never played ultima *. never could get into it |
| 15:03:22 | chouimat | whardier: I prefers old games because the game play is better than the newer one |
| 15:04:36 | chouimat | just take Color BaseBall on the TRS-80 Color Computer, the graphics are bad but with a simple analog joystick with one button you can do everything. far better than the newer baseball games |
| 15:05:03 | tux_mike | sports games on computers seems utterly pointless to me |
| 15:05:51 | chouimat | tux_mike: I know but the simplier the control better the game play, I don't need to remember 350 keystroke just to play the fucking game |
| 15:06:29 | tux_mike | chouimat: all gameplay in NWN can be easily done with the mouse, and shift and ctrl |
| 15:07:34 | chouimat | tux_mike: ok |
| 15:07:49 | chouimat | tux_mike: but I prefer isometric games |
| 15:08:06 | Wintre | Hahah |
| 15:08:11 | Wintre | I remember Color Baseball |
| 15:08:17 | mparrish | prefers isotonic games |
| 15:08:23 | Wintre | My brother and I had more fun writing up the player lists than anything else |
| 15:08:40 | chouimat | Wintre: hehe . 640 -0 my best score :) |
| 15:08:51 | whardier | mparrish: games with equal sides? |
| 15:10:00 | whardier | or equally pissed off people on all sides? |
| 15:10:00 | whardier | heh |
| 15:10:22 | mparrish | exercises in frustration: isometric and isotonic |
| 15:13:09 | sjohnson | is away: I'm busy |
| 15:22:33 | Twiun | is back |
| 15:22:40 | Twiun | finally off the phone ;-) |
| 15:22:55 | Twiun | tux_mike: did you get it installed? |
| 15:24:06 | erikd|class | !#@$(!@#&$!@(#&$(@!&#(!@&#^%(!@&#$(!@&#$(!@#&$@!(#$&@(#!$&!@#($&!@(#$ |
| 15:24:14 | erikd | my Z came!@#$(!@#&$!@(#&^(@&$(#!@&$(!@&#$(!@&#$(!@&#$(!@&#$!(@#&$ |
| 15:24:24 | chouimat | erikd: good for you |
| 15:24:33 | imm | erikd: whats wrong with that ? |
| 15:24:36 | erikd | is gonna have some fun now |
| 15:24:38 | erikd | wrong? |
| 15:24:41 | erikd | nothing |
| 15:24:45 | erikd | is happy :) |
| 15:25:06 | imm | erikd: the one from sharp ? |
| 15:25:14 | gurok | Hi.. does anyone know anything about a "-qws" flag on the Zaurus, I get an error when SSH'd into the zaurus and executing an application (NON GUI) that works when I run it locally ! Anyone got any thoughts ? |
| 15:25:14 | Twiun | is happy that erikd is happy... |
| 15:27:36 | whardier | lets talk about sex baby |
| 15:27:40 | whardier | lets talk about you and me |
| 15:27:46 | ljp_work | is happy that Twiun is happy that erikd is happy |
| 15:27:49 | whardier | loved making Dr Sbaitso say that |
| 15:27:56 | fusion94 | whardier: um....not unless your young hot and blonde with funbags |
| 15:28:12 | numatrix | gurok: you don't use that flag when running things on the zaurus. |
| 15:28:22 | numatrix | gurok: what application is it and what's the error? |
| 15:28:25 | whardier | mighty funbags ahoy! |
| 15:28:58 | gurok | numatrix: Yeah ..everything is cool when the app is run locally. When run from a SSH connection remotely it barfs |
| 15:29:12 | erikd | imm: no |
| 15:29:13 | numatrix | gurok: what app, what error? |
| 15:29:18 | erikd | i bought one |
| 15:29:33 | ljp_work | you bought a funbag? |
| 15:29:58 | chouimat | erikd: cheater |
| 15:30:05 | erikd | ljp: no :) |
| 15:30:06 | gurok | numatrix - A Java App, specifically Nirvana ! |
| 15:30:10 | erikd | chouimat: blehe ;) |
| 15:30:20 | numatrix | gurok: that's a non-gui app? |
| 15:30:38 | gurok | yeah |
| 15:30:40 | treke | gurok: the jre probably needs qtopia running |
| 15:31:03 | gurok | it is running - its using the JEODE evm included with zaurus |
| 15:31:24 | gurok | is there like a display variable used in Qtopia ? |
| 15:31:35 | treke | gurok: so you have to point the QTDIR and QPEDIR env vironment variables to the right place on the zaurus |
| 15:32:28 | gurok | QTDIR = /opt/Qtopia, QPEDIR=/home/QtPalmtop |
| 15:33:39 | gurok | any java app has the same problem ! System.out.print("hello") barfs when run remote |
| 15:36:47 | erikd | uhmmm |
| 15:37:03 | erikd | what's with the time zones in the setup? |
| 15:37:16 | kergoth | ? |
| 15:37:50 | erikd | i'm only getting 5 or so |
| 15:37:57 | erikd | new york and LA for the us |
| 15:38:15 | numatrix | erikd: only 5 total or only 5 for the us? |
| 15:38:52 | erikd | nm, got it |
| 15:38:54 | erikd | that's a weird setup |
| 15:39:03 | erikd | it was 5 total |
| 15:40:03 | gurok | The full error is QSocket::writeBlock: Socket is not open |
| 15:40:03 | gurok | QSocket::writeBlock: Socket is not open |
| 15:40:03 | gurok | QSocket::writeBlock: Socket is not open |
| 15:40:03 | gurok | QSocket::writeBlock: Socket is not open |
| 15:40:03 | gurok | No Qt/Embedded server appears to be running. |
| 15:40:03 | gurok | If you want to run this program as a server, |
| 15:40:05 | gurok | add the "-qws" command-line option. |
| 15:40:10 | erikd | can i not charge the z in the cradle or something? |
| 15:40:49 | ljp_work | yes |
| 15:40:59 | tux_mike | ... |
| 15:41:05 | tux_mike | I HATE WINDOWS! |
| 15:41:16 | tux_mike | there |
| 15:41:21 | tux_mike | that feels much better |
| 15:41:25 | erikd | and i should be able to use it when it's in the cradle, right? |
| 15:41:26 | tux_mike | calms down |
| 15:41:36 | tux_mike | starts kicking his machine |
| 15:41:36 | erikd | bah |
| 15:41:36 | erikd | wait |
| 15:41:36 | erikd | i'm stupid |
| 15:41:37 | erikd | hehe |
| 15:41:41 | numatrix | gurok: Right, it needs qtopia to be running. |
| 15:41:51 | numatrix | gurok: Except qtopia is running, jre doesn't know it. |
| 15:41:58 | numatrix | gurok: You need to set some environment variables. |
| 15:42:15 | numatrix | gurok: There's some wierd ones that need to be set. |
| 15:42:48 | numatrix | gurok: Use the terminal on the Z itself to see what's set and anything you don't have set in the ssh session, set until it works. |
| 15:42:50 | ljp_work | looks for linux programming jobs in Anguilla |
| 15:44:17 | Twiun | gurok: there's something else... PersonalJava (any java pre 1.4) requires a windowing environment to run... |
| 15:44:57 | Twiun | gurok: pre 1.2, this is the case even if you don't use any awt |
| 15:46:21 | gurok | Twiun - the window environment is running, Can't believe there is not a DISPLAY equiv ! |
| 15:46:55 | gurok | Twiun - The PJAVA emulator from sun runs without a framebuffer or window env ! |
| 15:47:11 | Twiun | gurok: pjava on which platform? |
| 15:47:20 | Twiun | erm... pjava emulator even |
| 15:47:29 | Twiun | solaris or windows? |
| 15:47:41 | gurok | Twiun - win32 |
| 15:47:55 | Twiun | I rest my case... windows it present on the machine |
| 15:48:05 | Twiun | it's murkier in linux |
| 15:48:16 | treke | gurok: Uhm in Win32 the Windowing Environment is running |
| 15:48:24 | jaytee | kergoth: i see.... does the opie_batteryapplet code read /proc/apm for a percentage? like the desktop battery applets do? |
| 15:48:50 | kergoth | jaytee: either that or it just calls the apm binary. the result is the same |
| 15:49:18 | kergoth | jaytee: teh apm code in the kernel then calls the machine specific battery status check function, which in its current state only returns one of 4 values |
| 15:49:31 | jaytee | kergoth: yup... i see that now |
| 15:49:56 | Twiun | kergoth: wasn't there also some issue with the onboard chip itself too? |
| 15:50:01 | gurok | I have checked the env settings from a local term and set them on the remote term - still doesn't work |
| 15:50:41 | Twiun | gurok: I don't know that anyone got it to work... it's astonishing that Insignia didn't think to pass the -qws argument through |
| 15:51:02 | Twiun | gurok: mind you, Insignia has a number of issues in Jeode... |
| 15:51:05 | kergoth | Twiun: I dont think so, but I'm not certain |
| 15:51:26 | Twiun | kergoth: I think they fixed it in the 5500 |
| 15:51:38 | kergoth | Twiun: nope |
| 15:51:40 | kergoth | Twiun: same chip |
| 15:51:45 | erikd | uhmm... is there a terminal program on the default 5500? |
| 15:51:48 | kergoth | Twiun: I dont believe its a hardware limitation anyway |
| 15:51:53 | kergoth | erikd: its on myzaurus.com |
| 15:52:02 | kergoth | erikd: or grab the one with tabs from zsi |
| 15:52:05 | erikd | how do i install it though? :) |
| 15:52:09 | Twiun | kergoth: I hope not... although I did know about the kernel limitation |
| 15:52:10 | gurok | Twiun - Jeode on Z Vs Jeode on PPC2002 - result 1 fith the events per sec rate on PPC |
| 15:52:20 | jaytee | erikd: there's an ipkg |
| 15:52:28 | kergoth | Twiun: i'll find out soon, i'm rewriting hte battery status shit soon. |
| 15:52:37 | erikd | still dunno how to do that |
| 15:52:42 | erikd | will have to read |
| 15:52:49 | kergoth | erikd: put it on your Z and tap on it in the docs tab |
| 15:52:49 | Twiun | gurok: Jeode on the Z has issues... have you investigated the j2me binary from sun? |
| 15:52:50 | treke | Twiun: passing the -qws argument through be a bad thing though. It would kill the running Qtopia |
| 15:52:59 | jaytee | erikd: ipkg install a_apckage.ipk |
| 15:53:14 | Twiun | treke: true enough... but then again, it would allow us to run _only_ Jeode ;-) |
| 15:53:19 | erikd | portscans the z |
| 15:53:30 | erikd | does it have ftp or anything? |
| 15:53:36 | Twiun | treke: hehe, we could even run pocketlinux ;-) |
| 15:53:44 | kergoth | erikd: ftp to port 4242 |
| 15:53:52 | gurok | Twiun - where is it ? I only new of Jeode and Blackdowns ARM port |
| 15:53:54 | Twiun | and rsync on 4243, right? |
| 15:53:55 | erikd | nope |
| 15:53:57 | treke | Twiun: crusty old pocketlinux? :) |
| 15:53:57 | erikd | oh |
| 15:54:02 | kergoth | Twiun: 4243 is QCOP |
| 15:54:11 | Twiun | gurok: there's a link somewhere... let me see... |
| 15:54:15 | | Twiun: huh? |
| 15:54:15 | Twiun | ibot: j2me |
| 15:54:19 | | Emacs-based mail reader. URL: http://www.wonderworks.com/vm/ |
| 15:54:19 | Twiun | ibot: vm |
| 15:54:26 | erikd | ok, nice |
| 15:54:29 | Twiun | hrmm... ok, lemme look at the web |
| 15:54:30 | treke | http://java.sun.com/j2me/ |
| 15:54:35 | treke | google is your friend |
| 15:55:10 | Twiun | http://wireless.java.sun.com/personal/articles/ztutorial/ |
| 15:55:13 | Twiun | there we go |
| 15:55:21 | | OK, Twiun. |
| 15:55:21 | Twiun | ibot: j2me is at http://wireless.java.sun.com/personal/articles/ztutorial/ |
| 15:55:46 | Twiun | there's instructions for a download on that page... somewhere in the middle |
| 15:56:25 | gurok | ok , thanks for that - I will check it out |
| 15:56:32 | Twiun | no worries |
| 15:57:08 | Twiun | someone said that Kaffe also runs, but I haven't managed to get it to run yet |
| 15:57:46 | Twiun | how goes the buzzer sound driver? |
| 15:58:55 | erikd | uhm.... which tabbed console should i download? (i don't remember who said that) |
| 15:59:19 | erikd | kergoth: it was you :) |
| 15:59:51 | erikd | wait, found it. i searched for terminal, not console |
| 16:01:28 | erikd | ack... this is slow! |
| 16:01:57 | erikd | geh... i think i killed it |
| 16:02:25 | benmeyer | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/desktop/zaurus/lwe.shtml |
| 16:03:14 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:50:06) |
| 16:03:25 | benmeyer | See jason ^ |
| 16:03:43 | chouimat | benmeyer: nice |
| 16:04:42 | Twiun | looks good |
| 16:05:01 | treke | benmeyer: fancy |
| 16:05:29 | mark | life is too tiring :( |
| 16:05:47 | Twiun | hey mark ;-) |
| 16:05:59 | mark | hi Twiun |
| 16:06:08 | chouimat | mark: watch some p0rn |
| 16:06:17 | gurok | Twiun -FYI that content is built on the idea that you run evm to execute it. Way down the bottom of the page it asks you to send an email to sun asking for a special unsupported"highly tuned" personal profile implementation. |
| 16:06:30 | mark | chouimat: lol, thats low down the priority list :) |
| 16:06:48 | Twiun | gurok: which I did... and got the link in an email |
| 16:06:49 | mark | has a database/php thingy to write |
| 16:06:59 | Twiun | gurok: it's automated |
| 16:07:10 | gurok | ..Im awaiting mail |
| 16:07:19 | benmeyer | If anyone want to make a Zaurus card game I have photos of all of the Sharp Zuarus Team |
| 16:07:26 | Twiun | lol |
| 16:07:38 | benmeyer | Manage building an application |
| 16:07:44 | Twiun | who's face are we putting on the jokers? |
| 16:07:47 | benmeyer | oh no power went out loose 2 weeks |
| 16:07:48 | Twiun | grins |
| 16:07:48 | benmeyer | haha |
| 16:08:17 | erikd | uhmm... is it possible to kill the z? i think i did :) |
| 16:08:17 | fusion94 | Twiun: put JasonNJ's face on the joker |
| 16:08:19 | benmeyer | Insert random Contest, loose productivity for a month, gain 10 apps.. |
| 16:08:20 | benmeyer | haha |
| 16:08:46 | benmeyer | would that be -10? |
| 16:08:48 | benmeyer | or +1 |
| 16:08:49 | Twiun | thinks benmeyer fragile mind is fraying at the edges... |
| 16:09:07 | Twiun | hrmm... benmeyer's mind even... |
| 16:09:26 | Twiun | gotta stop using that nick autocompletion... |
| 16:09:26 | mark | anyone here do any symbian developing? |
| 16:09:28 | benmeyer | Acidently drop device containing only copy of new rom, loose 2 months |
| 16:09:37 | Twiun | benmeyer: rofl |
| 16:09:53 | benmeyer | high interns, gain coffee, loose productivity |
| 16:10:39 | Twiun | hehe... so, still employed at Sharp after all those mishaps? |
| 16:10:48 | uncon | is away, schooltime (l!on) : os/bx |
| 16:13:50 | tux_mike | twiun: another question with WineNWN, what res you running at, and what hardware? |
| 16:14:29 | benmeyer | I didn't say any of them happend, just stuff that could be in the game |
| 16:14:30 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 16:14:45 | treke | benmeyer: good recovery |
| 16:15:05 | Twiun | tux_mike: NVidia driver, XFree86 4.2.1, 24bits, 1280x1024 (screen), 1024x768(wine), 1.2GHz Athlon, 768MB ram |
| 16:15:41 | DragonEagle | hmmm, trying to configure linux to talk to my zaurus, but usbdnet isn't comming up |
| 16:15:53 | DragonEagle | does it need to be in the first usb port? |
| 16:15:59 | Twiun | tux_mike: btw, you'll enjoy it more if you match resolutions... otherwise you'll find it hard to use the mouse to rotate |
| 16:16:13 | tux_mike | what vid card? |
| 16:16:17 | Twiun | tux_mike: oops ;-) |
| 16:16:35 | Twiun | GeForce2 Pro |
| 16:16:44 | Twiun | quite an old system# |
| 16:16:54 | tux_mike | ah, so my 4MX should run it at 1280 perfectly :) |
| 16:17:14 | tux_mike | my /system/ is old, my video card is new :) |
| 16:17:25 | Twiun | should do... mind you, I can't seem to get NWN so recognize anything higher than 1024x768 |
| 16:17:36 | tux_mike | odd |
| 16:17:39 | Twiun | that's why I tried a higher res for X |
| 16:17:54 | tux_mike | oh, you have it windowed? |
| 16:18:06 | Twiun | and for some reason wine doesn't use the XVidMode extension to go fullscreen... |
| 16:18:11 | Twiun | yeah :-( |
| 16:18:12 | mparrish | DragonEagle: I've had similar problems... turned out to be no USB at all. |
| 16:18:33 | tux_mike | actually, i'd like it windowed. when i throw a second monitor on my machine, it will make life much easier |
| 16:18:50 | Twiun | but even windowed, I get no slowdown, even using the best graphics settings in-game |
| 16:19:02 | Twiun | laughs happily |
| 16:19:39 | erikd | uhmmm... when i'm ftping an ipkg to the Z, where should i put it? |
| 16:20:01 | tux_mike | sound works fine? |
| 16:20:15 | erikd | when i put it in /home/root it shows the filename in the ftp, but then it kills the connection |
| 16:22:20 | Twiun | tux_mike: Yup... mind you I have a simple setup ;-) no 5.1 dolby for me |
| 16:22:40 | tux_mike | you run any soundservers? |
| 16:22:49 | Twiun | tux_mike: my only gripe is the mouse cursor seems to be rendered in only 2 colours... |
| 16:22:52 | tux_mike | i just use a pair of heaphones :) |
| 16:22:58 | Twiun | yeah, lemme check which ones |
| 16:23:00 | tux_mike | headphones |
| 16:23:10 | tux_mike | running kde, gnome or alsa? |
| 16:23:38 | Twiun | tux_mike: enlightenment... |
| 16:23:51 | erikd | argh! |
| 16:23:53 | erikd | dies |
| 16:24:03 | Twiun | hehe, much lighter than either kde or gnome... |
| 16:24:08 | tux_mike | ah |
| 16:24:12 | Twiun | those are too heavy for what I run |
| 16:24:15 | tux_mike | erikd: what is the matter? |
| 16:24:21 | Twiun | esd |
| 16:24:25 | DragonEagle | mparrish: it's showing up as a usb device, but the usbdnet driver isn't recoginizing it |
| 16:24:28 | tux_mike | i love kde. lots of purdy eye candy |
| 16:24:30 | tux_mike | :) |
| 16:24:43 | erikd | i can't get these files to send to the Z |
| 16:24:47 | erikd | i keeps dying |
| 16:24:49 | erikd | it* |
| 16:24:56 | tux_mike | scp? |
| 16:24:57 | Twiun | I love it too... but this also my main: www, mail, ssh, tomcat, dev, box... |
| 16:24:58 | tux_mike | ftp? |
| 16:25:03 | erikd | ftp |
| 16:25:11 | tux_mike | try scp? |
| 16:25:14 | tux_mike | :) |
| 16:25:17 | Twiun | tux_mike: I'd rather not have too many of those swap to disk |
| 16:25:22 | erikd | and the next time i ftp in it shows the filename that i tried to send, but it's size 0 |
| 16:25:23 | tux_mike | ah |
| 16:25:36 | erikd | and if i try removing it it won't let me |
| 16:25:41 | erikd | tux: this is the sharp rom |
| 16:26:22 | Twiun | crap! that mod_jk doesn't work... I'm going to have to make an effort and build it myself... |
| 16:26:37 | tux_mike | twiun: good point, i have seperate boxen. my server has a mobo, processor, power supply, ram, and a pair of hard drives. and my desktop with all the bells and whistles. i ought to get some gongs for it, but i don't have that much money right now :) |
| 16:27:07 | Twiun | tux_mike: likewise... hence why I have everything on this one box |
| 16:27:29 | tux_mike | i really want a second monitor. |
| 16:27:44 | Twiun | hehe |
| 16:27:46 | tux_mike | so i don't have to alt-tab out of my game to check mail and irc and IM |
| 16:28:00 | tux_mike | my video card is dual-headed, which makes it easy |
| 16:28:04 | Twiun | I have an old 13" ibm one you can have! it's off an old PS/2 ;-) |
| 16:28:15 | erikd | tries sending it to his CF card |
| 16:28:25 | Twiun | can't say you can drive it up to high res though ;-) |
| 16:28:51 | tux_mike | i may hook a 14" i have in the garage, but it's only able to do 640x480 normally. it should be able to do higher, but it hates me |
| 16:29:11 | Twiun | that's about the top mine can do... at 60Hz ;-) |
| 16:29:18 | Twiun | laughs |
| 16:29:21 | erikd | hrm |
| 16:29:50 | erikd | what's the newest rom version? |
| 16:29:54 | erikd | i have 2.12 installed |
| 16:29:59 | tux_mike | newer |
| 16:30:05 | erikd | tries that |
| 16:30:07 | tux_mike | like .38 or something like that |
| 16:30:12 | gurok | Twiun - cvm running ( much faster than evm) . Shame its not on general release |
| 16:30:12 | erikd | i can't send files via ftp at all |
| 16:30:17 | erikd | not even to my cf card |
| 16:30:32 | inomine | tux_mike: if you need to alt-tab now are you sure that the card can support 2 desktops if 1 is accelerated as most cant |
| 16:30:33 | Twiun | gurok: Yeah, it's not yet ready for primetime afaik |
| 16:30:54 | Twiun | gurok: any luck using it the way you wanted to? |
| 16:31:25 | gurok | Twiun - worked out ofthe box.. 200+ messages per second through the usbnet connection .. |
| 16:31:37 | Twiun | very nice ;-) |
| 16:31:48 | Twiun | did you give the gui a try? |
| 16:32:26 | gurok | twiun - will do that next. Wrote a P2P filesharing app that uses Nirvana's P2P API , Worked using evm , will try this one ! |
| 16:35:02 | tux_mike | inomine: well, with my card the primary display is accelerated, the secondary is not (in linux) |
| 16:35:45 | inomine | you sure that they can work together as some card will blank the seconf display as soon as the accelerated one is used |
| 16:35:50 | Twiun | *sniff* that's a sweet email from Spencer on [zaurus-general] ;-) |
| 16:36:59 | tux_mike | inomine: shouldn't be a problem, linux normally will put 3d things in a window :) |
| 16:37:05 | nishi | hello ppl |
| 16:37:15 | nishi | need help with Infrared transfer of files |
| 16:37:42 | inomine | as in? |
| 16:37:48 | nishi | I have an IBM Thinkpad T20 with Win2K on it and have used it to transfer files to the Z successfully over the last 2 days |
| 16:38:08 | Data__ | is gone. Gone since Fri Sep 13 11:43:01 2002 |
| 16:38:17 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=498 |
| 16:38:24 | nishi | this morning however when I try to transfer files, the IBM gives me a message : The transfer failed. An existing connection was forcibly closed by the remote host. |
| 16:38:35 | nishi | I can transfer files from the Z to the IBM successfully. |
| 16:38:51 | nishi | any clues why I can't do IBM --> Z ? |
| 16:38:54 | benmeyer | Hey guys I need 500 apps by the 25th :-D |
| 16:38:57 | benmeyer | you think I can do that |
| 16:39:07 | benmeyer | We are at 427 |
| 16:39:41 | treke | benmeyer: define "apps" |
| 16:39:56 | inomine | i can write bash scripts :) |
| 16:39:57 | treke | will 73 unique hello worlds count? |
| 16:41:06 | benmeyer | yes |
| 16:41:12 | benmeyer | it just has to be on killefiz |
| 16:41:13 | nishi | no idea anyone ? |
| 16:41:22 | tux_mike | 25th, eh. |
| 16:41:24 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 16:41:29 | mark | treke: yeh, lets start a 'hello world' section |
| 16:41:37 | tux_mike | i wonder if i can get a beta on my game out by then |
| 16:41:41 | tux_mike | but then again, NWN. |
| 16:41:45 | tux_mike | decisions. |
| 16:41:46 | inomine | nishi: sorry only did ipaq(opie) to palm xfers |
| 16:41:51 | Twiun | lol... how about "My FIRST Zaurus program!" section? |
| 16:41:57 | tux_mike | 's head explodes |
| 16:41:59 | mark | Twiun: heh |
| 16:42:14 | Twiun | mark: any progress on kvim? |
| 16:42:16 | inomine | tux_mine: what game you making? |
| 16:42:31 | mark | Twiun: nope, far to busy atm. |
| 16:42:43 | mark | Twiun: sorry, feel free to take up the mantle though |
| 16:42:49 | benmeyer | Pretty much we just need killefiz to say 500 for quota reasons |
| 16:42:58 | Twiun | mark: HAH! I'm looking for a job, still ;-) |
| 16:43:02 | benmeyer | thus I am cleaning up all of my apps and putting them up right now |
| 16:43:12 | benmeyer | even as beta etc |
| 16:43:16 | Cloudchaser | anything new and exciting ben? |
| 16:43:18 | benmeyer | just so they count |
| 16:43:18 | tux_mike | inomine: a bejeweled clone |
| 16:43:20 | mark | Twiun: heh |
| 16:43:24 | Twiun | benmeyer: new advertising fad? |
| 16:43:26 | tux_mike | i'm getting some funky compiler errors. |
| 16:43:33 | benmeyer | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/desktop/programs.shtml |
| 16:43:40 | benmeyer | ? |
| 16:43:44 | tux_mike | i prolly misplaced a } somewhere, but i can't seem to find where i left it |
| 16:43:47 | Harlekin | benmeyer: you can add opie-irc by the end of the week .-) |
| 16:43:56 | benmeyer | cool |
| 16:44:17 | mark | tux_mike: the most annoying things are stray characters at the beginning of .h files |
| 16:44:19 | Harlekin | hey a |
| 16:44:33 | Harlekin | and you could put each today plugin seperatly on |
| 16:44:34 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 16:44:38 | erikd | bleh. where on the z should i put an ipk i want to install? which dir? |
| 16:44:47 | benmeyer | or each opie-sh app seperatly |
| 16:44:56 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 16:45:07 | treke | go find personal java apps for ppc :) |
| 16:45:25 | Cloudchaser | treke will those work on the z? |
| 16:45:26 | benmeyer | sorry, don't want to stup that low hehe |
| 16:45:43 | Twiun | fwaps benmeyer |
| 16:45:45 | Twiun | hehe |
| 16:45:55 | treke | Cloudchaser: Well I was under the impression that was the whole point of java on the Z :) |
| 16:46:29 | nishi | I have an IBM Thinkpad T20 with Win2K on it and have used it to transfer files to the Z successfully over the last 2 days |
| 16:46:32 | nishi | this morning however when I try to transfer files, the IBM gives me a message : The transfer failed. An existing connection was forcibly closed by the remote host. |
| 16:46:33 | Cloudchaser | yes i believe it was..but do they? |
| 16:46:37 | nishi | any clues why I can't do IBM --> Z ? |
| 16:46:46 | nishi | I can transfer files from the Z to the IBM successfully. |
| 16:47:34 | mark | Twiun: i really should get KVim finished. i'm ridiculously busy atm though :/ |
| 16:48:16 | Twiun | mark: same here... there's just too much to be done |
| 16:48:18 | treke | mark: put what you have done up |
| 16:48:25 | benmeyer | ok well either way if anyone has an application that is almost done or is done but need hosting to get it up let me know |
| 16:49:12 | treke | hmm, I've got a really crappy text file reader I could put up. maybe |
| 16:49:39 | treke | then again I dont want to flood killefiz with useless crap :) |
| 16:51:02 | DragonEagle | is away: I give up, I need a break, and if you see my mind, tell it to come home, I miss it |
| 16:51:19 | XavierXeon | is putting some devolper scripts onto his homepage. file transfer completed in ... 50 min. grr |
| 16:52:08 | mark | treke: its in kvim cvs |
| 16:52:14 | Twiun | hmmm... anyone know how to recover a b0rken tarball? |
| 16:54:16 | hcarty | has anyone here used sharp's mobile service? Specifically for ssh...I'm curious if it's quick/secure enough for some ssh work on remote servers |
| 16:54:20 | gurok | Twiun - gui apps I have work fine - Also worked well with sun.tools classes |
| 16:54:42 | Twiun | gurok: Cool... now we just need Sun to make that cvm available on general release |
| 16:55:02 | nishi | ok got this working by rebooting my T20. Now I can do IBM <---> Z :) |
| 16:55:24 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 16:55:29 | tux_mike | need to setup PXE |
| 16:55:45 | nishi | guys one more question ... when I download an MP3 file and try playing it with the media player, it says it could not find decoders ??? Isn't it supposed to play MP3s out od the box ? |
| 16:56:12 | gurok | Twiun - I will test it some more but given the fact that it ran a Nirvana server without error I'd say it were pretty complete. |
| 16:56:39 | Twiun | gurok: You know what Sun are like with their certification tests though... they can be extremely pedantic... |
| 16:57:28 | gurok | Twiun - I will pop a note off to the chaps email address that came with the mail. We talk with Sun a fair bit.. As for their certification tests ( J2EE specifically ) , they are painfull |
| 16:58:19 | Twiun | it all helps in the end... |
| 16:58:30 | Twiun | brb - gotta spwap a drive ;-) |
| 16:59:05 | gurok | thanks all for help.. Im off home |
| 16:59:28 | nishi | can everyone read me ? |
| 17:00:01 | tux_mike | nishi: what rom are you using? |
| 17:00:17 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 16:53:25) |
| 17:00:29 | nishi | Sharp 2.38 |
| 17:00:42 | mark | wb Neo|Work. have a moment? |
| 17:01:03 | tux_mike | i don't know, i've heard of the problem before, try posting on the ML |
| 17:01:07 | nishi | any clue why the media player can't recognize MP3s ? |
| 17:01:14 | nishi | cool I'll do that ... |
| 17:01:53 | nishi | also trying to do smbmount ... downloaded libncurses.so.5 but smbmount still says its unable to load shared libs |
| 17:02:18 | Neo|Work | mark: sure |
| 17:02:50 | numatrix | nishi: does it tell you what library it needs? |
| 17:02:58 | mark | Neo|Work: just wondering how your automated registration system works, I want to sell Knights through my website, coz Handango take such a massive cut. |
| 17:04:11 | erikd | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 17:04:14 | erikd | loves his z |
| 17:04:18 | Neo|Work | i have a little Pike application that is put as the app to be run for a certain email address |
| 17:04:21 | Neo|Work | which parses the mails |
| 17:04:31 | nishi | yes it does ... libncurses.so.5 |
| 17:04:45 | numatrix | nishi; and you have it in /usr/lib already? |
| 17:04:55 | numatrix | You might need to symlink to other versions. |
| 17:05:06 | diclophis | z0r |
| 17:05:24 | nishi | oops nope. I have only libncurses.so not so.5 |
| 17:06:13 | mark | Neo|Work: i see. I suppose I could have a php page that sends out a mail with a download/username password |
| 17:06:14 | nishi | hmm the one killefiz.de is just libncurses.so ... where can I get libncurses.so.5 ? |
| 17:06:45 | oGMo | squarepusher - dust switch, mmm |
| 17:07:42 | nishi | numatrix ... symlink as in ? would a ln -s libncurses.so.5 libncurses.so work ? |
| 17:07:56 | treke | benmeyer: just curous, but where did you come up with 427 apps? |
| 17:08:22 | mark | didn't sharp promise 10,000 by now? |
| 17:08:48 | benmeyer | Killefiz |
| 17:08:54 | benmeyer | well if you could debian.... |
| 17:09:43 | treke | did you take into account apps in more than one categories? |
| 17:10:10 | erikd | /lib/modules/2.4.19-gentoo-r7/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: unresolved symbol nf_unregister_sockopt |
| 17:10:21 | erikd | /lib/modules/2.4.19-gentoo-r7/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: unresolved symbol nf_register_sockopt |
| 17:10:26 | erikd | that look familiar to anyone? |
| 17:10:41 | erikd | that's when i tried to use iptables to let my z access the net |
| 17:11:00 | Cloudchaser | i got unresolved symbol errors with usbdnet |
| 17:11:31 | benmeyer | treke: yes |
| 17:11:48 | benmeyer | if you count simply by the left hand side it is over 500 |
| 17:12:00 | benmeyer | but statics page says only ~430 |
| 17:12:01 | Twiun | hehehe |
| 17:12:06 | numatrix | nishi: the other way around. the first parameter is the 'real' file, the second is the sym link. |
| 17:12:20 | Twiun | benmeyer: bribe killefiz to change the html ;-) |
| 17:12:22 | numatrix | nishi: and it depends on what version of libncurses you have. |
| 17:12:27 | Twiun | guranteed 500+ |
| 17:12:37 | benmeyer | Twiun: probably would be better to just find 70 apps |
| 17:12:38 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 17:12:42 | benmeyer | sense they are out there |
| 17:12:46 | numatrix | benmeyer: Probably because some apps get denied... |
| 17:12:49 | benmeyer | Going throuh myzaurus right now |
| 17:12:53 | benmeyer | numatrix: like what? |
| 17:12:54 | Twiun | bah, you're no fun :-D |
| 17:13:12 | benmeyer | or going through and adding each opie-sh app by themselves |
| 17:13:19 | numatrix | benmeyer: <shrug> Who knows; I asked killefiz about it once, but I forget why it happened... Or if that was exactly it. |
| 17:13:22 | nishi | got it working ... I have libncurses.so.4.2 |
| 17:13:28 | benmeyer | speaking of can someond do that while I go through myzaurus.com? |
| 17:13:29 | nishi | in /lib |
| 17:13:32 | treke | so far half of these things really shouldnt be on killefiz :) |
| 17:13:34 | nishi | thx numatrix !! |
| 17:13:44 | benmeyer | treke: like what? |
| 17:13:47 | nishi | now if only my Z could play MP3s :) |
| 17:13:48 | numatrix | nishi: no problem; work? |
| 17:13:57 | nishi | yes numatrix ... it worked dude |
| 17:14:08 | numatrix | nishi: why can't it? Plenty of players for them. |
| 17:14:21 | treke | esd, gnupg, bzip2, apachectl |
| 17:14:40 | numatrix | benmeyer: do what while you go through myzaurus? |
| 17:14:47 | benmeyer | http://handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=423&jid=16D2939XF8X5E7C3124A5AD95533FB54&platformId=9&productType=2&productId=43481§ionId=0&catalog=80 |
| 17:14:58 | nishi | yep tried the default media player and it complains "No appropriate decoders found". Mplayer doesn't work either |
| 17:14:59 | benmeyer | Go through and add each opie-sh app to killefiz |
| 17:15:00 | nishi | :(( |
| 17:15:21 | benmeyer | treke: eh yah though probably shouldn't be |
| 17:15:29 | benmeyer | but nonless |
| 17:15:37 | numatrix | nishi: Try opie media player? That should do it. |
| 17:15:42 | treke | I have a hard time considering any old linux app a "Zaurus App" :) |
| 17:15:45 | numatrix | nishi: The default one worked for me though, that's wierd. |
| 17:16:07 | numatrix | treke: if it's in an ipk, I say add it... |
| 17:16:37 | benmeyer | treke: yes I agree. |
| 17:16:44 | benmeyer | that is why I don't count every debian package |
| 17:16:48 | nishi | Hmmm ... let me download that |
| 17:16:56 | treke | but I guess if you need the numbers, you need the numbers |
| 17:17:02 | Twiun | can't we make ipkg accept .rpm, .tar.bz2 and tar.gz files? then we'd have 10,000 easy ;-) |
| 17:17:38 | numatrix | Seriously though, I think it's reasonable to add just about everything; we want ZSI to be the definitive resource for people, right? They shouldn't have to know they can also go to the debian-arm build and find binaries, it should all be in ZSI if it's easy for people to install. |
| 17:18:54 | treke | maybe seperate it into sections based on environment. Say a Qtopia Section, a console section and a Java Section |
| 17:19:14 | benmeyer | Well there is already a console section |
| 17:19:29 | Twiun | treke: although the end user shouldn't have to know if the thing was done in Qtopia/Java - as long as it works |
| 17:19:39 | treke | Twiun: End users may want to know |
| 17:19:56 | Twiun | warn them away sort-of-thing? |
| 17:19:58 | treke | Twiun: Open Zaurus users may not have java, and it isnt always readilly appearent if an app is written in java |
| 17:20:00 | numatrix | treke: Right, so the information should be there, but they shouldn't ~have~ to know if they don't want to. |
| 17:20:30 | Twiun | it should be in a 'required' field... |
| 17:20:44 | Twiun | Java required, Sharp-ROM required, OZv3 Required... |
| 17:21:44 | numatrix | Twiun: I agree, there should be a requirements field. |
| 17:22:16 | inomine | or even better a last updated this program on... field |
| 17:22:18 | Twiun | numatrix: it'd be nice if it were kept simple... we don't want to go down the rpm dependency blackhole |
| 17:22:45 | treke | Twiun: it isnt a dependency, its to make it easier to find what you want |
| 17:22:49 | inomine | split the main view into new programmes and updated ones ala palmgear.com |
| 17:22:51 | Cloudchaser | ooh benmeyer your backup and restore program is redone? |
| 17:22:55 | Cloudchaser | and it works on opie? |
| 17:23:02 | numatrix | Twiun: maybe just checkboxes like: requirements: "java, OZ, specific libs(you have to read the docs to find out), SDL, etc" I dunno... |
| 17:23:20 | Twiun | treke: in that case, make zsi searchable... I'm not sure that a top-level distinction between environment is justified |
| 17:24:46 | numatrix | btw; there was a channel for this discussion in #zsi for a while... we could ressurect that. |
| 17:24:56 | Twiun | hehe |
| 17:25:18 | benmeyer | Cloudchaser: yup |
| 17:25:20 | Twiun | I'm not that fanatical about this... I'll go with whatever the majority is happy with |
| 17:25:20 | Stegster | What is a good WiFi CF card for a reasonable price? about 150 euro is reasonable |
| 17:25:33 | kergoth | benmeyer: did you ever add a icon & .desktop? :) |
| 17:25:38 | | numatrix: sorry... |
| 17:25:38 | numatrix | ibot: convert 150 euro to us |
| 17:25:43 | numatrix | ibot: help convert |
| 17:25:53 | numatrix | doesn't ibot do conversions? |
| 17:25:54 | inomine | about 1 to 1 euro-us |
| 17:25:55 | Stegster | is about 160 dollars i think |
| 17:26:00 | treke | Sugar: 150 EUR in USD |
| 17:26:01 | numatrix | Stegster: that's way too much. |
| 17:26:02 | Sugar | 150 EUR is 145.77258 US$ |
| 17:26:08 | numatrix | Ahh, there we go. |
| 17:26:19 | Stegster | oops..i went the wrong way :S |
| 17:26:21 | numatrix | Stegster: you could get a really nice one for that amount though; power saving symbol or socket. |
| 17:26:37 | Stegster | name a brand |
| 17:26:40 | numatrix | Stegster: if you wanted a cheap one, you could get it for around $70, with shipping. |
| 17:26:42 | treke | numatrix: maybe not, might be more expensive in Europe :) |
| 17:26:47 | numatrix | "Symbol" or "Socket" |
| 17:26:49 | numatrix | treke: yeah, there is that. |
| 17:26:54 | Cloudchaser | benmeyer: i see the screenshot shows application settings, documents and system settings...will it save the applications themselves? and back up mtdram and flash? |
| 17:27:07 | Stegster | you know the brand Sitecom?? They are the cheapest, 120 euro |
| 17:27:11 | numatrix | treke: still, I bought a dlink at amazon for $70 including shipping, I can't imagine being in europe would jack it up that much more. |
| 17:27:18 | numatrix | Stegster: never heard of them. |
| 17:27:19 | Cloudchaser | in other words, if we reflashed, could we restore and be just as we were before flash? |
| 17:27:21 | treke | numatrix: import taxes and stuff |
| 17:27:23 | numatrix | Stegster: where in europe are you? |
| 17:27:29 | numatrix | treke: yeah, but 100$ of the cost? |
| 17:27:30 | Stegster | Netherlands |
| 17:27:35 | numatrix | treke: 100%, rather. |
| 17:27:44 | numatrix | crap... meeting time. |
| 17:27:45 | numatrix | brb |
| 17:28:06 | treke | bleh. ebooks certainly dont belong on killefiz |
| 17:28:37 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 17:28:38 | inomine | especially romance, deborking your zaurus yes |
| 17:28:41 | benmeyer | they should be there own catigory |
| 17:28:46 | treke | bad benmeyer |
| 17:28:51 | benmeyer | well they are 2 more |
| 17:29:02 | benmeyer | and for 1 week I would like to keep them there |
| 17:29:04 | benmeyer | :-0 |
| 17:30:34 | kergoth | benmeyer: did you ever get an icon for backup/restore in opie cvs? |
| 17:31:55 | benmeyer | hmm don't think so |
| 17:31:58 | benmeyer | it was junk anyway |
| 17:32:14 | benmeyer | if the z's backup and restore icon is part of the icon set use it |
| 17:33:29 | benmeyer | can anyone get to the opie-sh apps webpage? |
| 17:33:41 | Harlekin | its in cvs |
| 17:35:44 | benmeyer | http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=423&jid=16D2939XF8X5E7C3124A5AD95533FB54&platformId=9&productType=2&productId=34081§ionId=0&catalog=80 |
| 17:35:46 | benmeyer | wtf |
| 17:37:06 | tux_mike | ... |
| 17:37:11 | Harlekin | http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=423&jid=16D2939XF8X5E7C3124A5AD95533FB54&platformId=9&productType=2&productId=34081§ionId=0&catalog=80 |
| 17:37:14 | Harlekin | ups |
| 17:37:19 | tux_mike | these people must be doing this now to piss me off! |
| 17:38:00 | Harlekin | benmeyer: that looks like it makes sense |
| 17:39:16 | Harlekin | benmeyer: does it ship with wince emulatior |
| 17:44:13 | tux_mike | shut up lilo. i'd rather setup an EFNet server while having a root canal with no anestesia while listening to barry manalow! |
| 17:46:14 | Wintre | Ignore is your friend |
| 17:46:28 | WingLover | Hey Mike, thanks for your help this morning. I'm really making progress getting everything set up (built the example app and it seems to work now) |
| 17:48:35 | Harlekin | hey france |
| 17:48:35 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 17:48:58 | france | Greetings. hh.org is down to a power failure for more info please see #handhelds.org or ask Harlekin. |
| 17:49:04 | france | Harlekin: :-) |
| 17:54:14 | software_tweaker | What can I use to view jpg files in openzaurus? |
| 17:54:17 | tux_mike | wintre: for some reason his messages get through my /ignores... i think the dumb client i have lets opper messages through |
| 17:54:27 | tux_mike | wing: no problem. |
| 17:54:43 | benmeyer | weee |
| 17:54:45 | benmeyer | up to 245 |
| 17:54:55 | benmeyer | I need 5 more apps and I will stop for th day |
| 17:54:56 | benmeyer | 445 |
| 17:55:07 | benmeyer | Where else could I find some? |
| 17:55:22 | software_tweaker | NE1 know where to get a jpg viewer for openzaurus? |
| 17:55:40 | benmeyer | mooview |
| 17:55:45 | benmeyer | software_tweaker: zsi |
| 17:55:48 | | zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 17:55:48 | benmeyer | ibot zsi |
| 17:56:02 | software_tweaker | mooview won't work on OZ, at least not mine |
| 17:56:53 | software_tweaker | Does it have to be installed on root? |
| 17:57:36 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: well, Interstellar Flames isn't quite done yet but.. |
| 17:58:12 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 17:58:15 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 17:58:41 | benmeyer | well from the 2 minutes that I saw of it, IF looked pretty kick ass |
| 17:59:08 | Neo|Work | Well, what I really feel like I have left is customizable controls |
| 18:00:40 | benmeyer | Neo|Work: where is your lib Flac decoder? |
| 18:00:48 | benmeyer | i mean your feed |
| 18:02:20 | benmeyer | http://www.zaurusoft.com/packages/view/333 |
| 18:03:46 | Neo|Work | http://eongames.com/feed/ |
| 18:04:06 | Neo|Work | that decoder lib is really just meant to be used by my games. :) |
| 18:04:44 | nishi | is back |
| 18:04:47 | nishi | is back |
| 18:04:52 | nishi | is away: off |
| 18:04:56 | nishi | is away: on |
| 18:07:04 | benmeyer | What is zfurby? |
| 18:09:41 | WingLover | Mike: The packages that I installed still are missing some include files (I can't compile an Input Method plugin) but I should be able to find those easily enough |
| 18:13:16 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: IR remote control to control Furby's |
| 18:13:29 | Neo|Work | make them sing, dance, sneeze, sleep etc on command |
| 18:13:47 | JasonNJ | neo: did you check out that Gangsta Racing thing? |
| 18:14:36 | nishi | is back |
| 18:15:51 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: I did. mailed them w/o answer so far |
| 18:16:04 | Neo|Work | if you can believe it I mail quite a few people that never respond |
| 18:16:06 | nishi | group ... I have a network 128.x.y.z on my laptop (via its network card). I have another net (on which the Z is) which is 192.168.10.0. I can ping the Z from my laptop. |
| 18:16:26 | nishi | what "route add" command would I need to add to get the Z to be able to reach the 128.x.y.z net ? |
| 18:16:47 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=519 |
| 18:16:54 | nishi | brb heating lunch |
| 18:17:25 | benmeyer | need 2 more apps... |
| 18:17:33 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 18:18:41 | treke | tkcrotator can be added |
| 18:19:38 | nishi | or would I have to do something on the laptop ? |
| 18:20:28 | benmeyer | rotator? |
| 18:20:36 | treke | a game |
| 18:21:14 | kergoth | stabs gnu make with a sharp instrument |
| 18:21:19 | Wintre | Nono |
| 18:21:23 | Wintre | kergoth, do it righ.t |
| 18:21:31 | Wintre | Use something heavy. Like, say, an asteroid. |
| 18:22:18 | kergoth | i've got a target which is a variable.. say $(stamp-source) : |
| 18:22:24 | benmeyer | thanks, adding |
| 18:22:34 | kergoth | apparently it parses out the variable contents immediately |
| 18:22:45 | kergoth | so i cant set the variable later on, or in an included makefile |
| 18:22:47 | kergoth | that pisses me off |
| 18:23:45 | treke | maybe Neo|Work would be willing to let you put Interstellar Flames up early :) |
| 18:24:06 | erikd | kergoth: doesn't it depend on whether or not you do := or just =? |
| 18:24:27 | kergoth | aha, screw you make! |
| 18:24:29 | benmeyer | ok, 249 |
| 18:24:31 | benmeyer | hmmm what else |
| 18:24:36 | benmeyer | 449 |
| 18:24:58 | kergoth | erikd: nono, that just determines whether variables you use within the variable contents are parsed out immediately or not |
| 18:25:04 | erikd | oh |
| 18:25:10 | kergoth | erikd: i'm creating a *target* not setting a variable's contents |
| 18:25:18 | kergoth | and it being a target, its parsed immediately whatever i do |
| 18:25:24 | kergoth | i must set the variable to its value before the rule |
| 18:25:27 | kergoth | grr |
| 18:25:52 | erikd | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=519 |
| 18:25:53 | erikd | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=519 |
| 18:25:55 | erikd | err |
| 18:25:57 | erikd | sorry :) |
| 18:26:08 | erikd | kicks putty |
| 18:26:13 | treke | benmeyer: opie irc should get you to 450 once its ready |
| 18:26:48 | ciaolinux | erikd: did you get the Z? |
| 18:27:51 | erikd | ciaolinux: yeah, but not the one from sharp (the 5000d) |
| 18:27:56 | erikd | i bought a 5500 |
| 18:28:04 | ciaolinux | erikd: you got the fax? |
| 18:28:12 | erikd | no, email |
| 18:28:20 | erikd | my dad finally gave in |
| 18:28:21 | erikd | :) |
| 18:28:44 | ciaolinux | cool... so which one are you going to sell? the 5000 or the 5500? |
| 18:28:51 | erikd | 5000 |
| 18:28:58 | erikd | i have a friend that might want it |
| 18:29:06 | erikd | actually, i have a few friends that might want it :) |
| 18:29:27 | | bigboss was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 1 hours, 46 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: wouldn't surprise me if it was already on the server and he just wasn't able to get me an email to tell me [Tue Sep 17 17:42:57 2002] |
| 18:29:27 | fusion94 | ibot: seen bigboss ? |
| 18:29:51 | erikd | that was to me! |
| 18:29:55 | erikd | feels special now |
| 18:30:14 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=521 |
| 18:30:15 | benmeyer | yah |
| 18:30:17 | benmeyer | 251 |
| 18:30:21 | benmeyer | 451 |
| 18:31:01 | numatrix | benmeyer: ever straighten out the opera creator? |
| 18:31:04 | benmeyer | nope |
| 18:31:13 | benmeyer | never got around to putting oz back on my device |
| 18:31:17 | benmeyer | need to do that one day |
| 18:31:18 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 18:31:34 | treke | there you go. 452 |
| 18:31:37 | numatrix | benmeyer: I just switched again. This time I may stick with it. |
| 18:32:12 | numatrix | benmeyer: Let me know if you want me to test them. I still have the opera.ipk I made previously so I could go from there and extract other files from the rom to test if you had any ideas on what to use. |
| 18:32:46 | agupta | hey |
| 18:32:48 | agupta | kergoth? |
| 18:34:18 | benmeyer | numatrix: send my your working opera ipk and I will take it apart and find what I did wrong |
| 18:34:46 | benmeyer | opera and jeod are really the only two |
| 18:35:03 | numatrix | benmeyer: mine doesn't work, opera segfaults if I remember correctly... |
| 18:35:25 | numatrix | benmeyer: it was the one I made with your ipk when I first tested the jeode and opera ones for you. |
| 18:35:26 | agupta | hey benmeyer |
| 18:36:03 | benmeyer | ok |
| 18:36:05 | benmeyer | hi |
| 18:39:28 | agupta | later |
| 18:43:10 | erikd | ARGH |
| 18:43:25 | erikd | does anyone else have problems with the z just kinda dropping connections? |
| 18:43:30 | erikd | over usb, that is |
| 18:43:43 | Bovine | Any one had good/bad/indifferent experiences with the SMC2642W CFII card? |
| 18:43:46 | erikd | i try to do anything besides nslookup and ping and it just dies |
| 18:44:10 | fieldl | erikd: yep mine does it all the time using qtopia desktop + IP on Win ME.... |
| 18:44:15 | Bovine | erikd: yeah, I get that, the kernel spews errors about timeouts etc. |
| 18:44:35 | fieldl | erikd: works fine when connected to Win2k and intellisync though ?? |
| 18:44:43 | erikd | yeah |
| 18:44:49 | erikd | well, winxp |
| 18:44:57 | erikd | i didn't try ip masq, though |
| 18:45:11 | erikd | i'm in linux right now |
| 18:45:19 | benmeyer | can anyone get to this page? |
| 18:45:20 | benmeyer | http://info.lindows.com/screenshots/AOL Instant Messenger.png |
| 18:45:30 | mjn3 | erikd: i had a problem with it locking up my notebook. i patched usbdnet.c to "fix" it. i haven't had the Z drop connections though. |
| 18:45:49 | erikd | hmm |
| 18:46:34 | fieldl | erikd: No problems at all under linux.... not with basic connectivity anyway :) |
| 18:46:49 | mjn3 | erikd: i also have mounted nfs over usb, and telnet into the Z frequently. i've even run x11perf and displayed on the Z over usb |
| 18:47:19 | erikd | well, this is what happens: i can ping the z, so i try going to a site with opera, it sends a request to the site, but then the connection to the laptop (via usb) gets dropped. if i turn off the z in the cradle, turn it back on and then run the routing commands on the lappy again i can ping it |
| 18:47:24 | erikd | but then it all starts over again |
| 18:47:50 | erikd | which linux distros are you guys using? |
| 18:48:04 | Bovine | Slack/RedHat/OZ :) |
| 18:48:08 | mjn3 | debian 3.0 |
| 18:48:12 | EditorGarfield | Mandrake |
| 18:48:18 | fieldl | redhat |
| 18:48:20 | numatrix | rh |
| 18:48:23 | Captain_Midnight | I have SuSE 8.0 without that problem |
| 18:49:19 | benmeyer | debian |
| 18:49:22 | erikd | hmm |
| 18:49:25 | erikd | is using gentoo |
| 18:49:36 | EditorGarfield | It's those damn source code people what's done it. :-) |
| 18:49:37 | Captain_Midnight | kernel version? |
| 18:49:42 | erikd | must be my kernel compile |
| 18:49:43 | erikd | 2.4.19 |
| 18:50:22 | Captain_Midnight | and you said this isn't a problem with one of those Windows based OSes? |
| 18:50:44 | erikd | well, all i did in there was copy an ipkg over to the Documents |
| 18:51:02 | JasonNJ | yo bz. |
| 18:51:07 | mjn3 | kergoth: i did some checking on the difference between ramfs and tmpfs. while tmpfs is a little larger, you can also set the max blocks and max inodes at mount type, or later with remount. tmpfs is also swappable (say via nbd or to CF) |
| 18:52:20 | Captain_Midnight | I would confirm that running under Windows this problem isn't the same to remove hardware from the possibilities, then you should check for log entries either on the Z or the laptop that indicate a drop in this connection. |
| 18:53:04 | Captain_Midnight | but on 2.4.18 I haven't seen this problem either, but then I seldom use the network there (usually use a wireless card) |
| 18:53:05 | BZFlag | mjn3: how much is "a little larger" ? |
| 18:53:35 | fieldl | can you run tcpdump on the ppp/usb connection ??? if so you might see why the connection is being dropped, perhaps |
| 18:53:47 | erikd | oooh |
| 18:53:50 | erikd | wget is on here! |
| 18:53:54 | erikd | that's nice |
| 18:53:57 | EditorGarfield | kicks OZ |
| 18:54:09 | mjn3 | BZFlag: hard to tell, since it can't be compiled as a module. i can build two kernels and look at the size diff if you like. my guess is maybe a couple of k max though |
| 18:54:09 | kergoth | kicks Larry |
| 18:54:35 | EditorGarfield | :P |
| 18:55:07 | EditorGarfield | kergoth: I was able to upgrade to the feed for everything but busybox this time without completely toasting the system. yay! But now it won't accepted any sort of IP connection. |
| 18:55:12 | kergoth | stabs gnu make repeatedly with very sharp instruments |
| 18:55:20 | EditorGarfield | :-) |
| 18:55:21 | kergoth | EditorGarfield: what interface? |
| 18:55:28 | EditorGarfield | eth0. |
| 18:55:28 | kergoth | EditorGarfield: usb, wifi, ..? |
| 18:55:31 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:55:36 | numatrix | There you go kergoth, increasing your violence rating with the irc logs... ;-) |
| 18:55:38 | EditorGarfield | Same symptom with a wired and wireless. |
| 18:55:42 | BZFlag | mjn3: I'd also be interested to know if it takes more memory to store stuff. Ie: if you have 1000 files on tmpfs and the same 1000 files in ramfs, is there any difference in the ram usage. (assuming no swap for now) |
| 18:55:43 | kergoth | numatrix: course! ;-) |
| 18:55:53 | kergoth | BZFlag: yes, thats my question as well. |
| 18:55:57 | numatrix | Fortunately, it's usually inanimate things so I think you'll be let off. |
| 18:56:02 | kergoth | BZFlag: I'm more concerned with memory usage than kernel size |
| 18:56:14 | fieldl | slight change of subject, does anyone know the prefered screen res for pocket quake ? also anyway of imrpoving performance runs better under PPC2002 :( |
| 18:56:15 | erikd | *sigh |
| 18:56:16 | erikd | * |
| 18:56:18 | BZFlag | nods at kergoth |
| 18:56:20 | kergoth | erikd: probs? |
| 18:56:23 | erikd | yeah |
| 18:56:30 | erikd | still dropping connections |
| 18:56:47 | erikd | i'm about to go reinstall debian just so i can use my z |
| 18:56:59 | BZFlag | fieldl: PPC has a better (non-free) floating point emulator. that's the difference. |
| 18:57:01 | erikd | starts backing up his stuff |
| 18:57:03 | kergoth | erikd: usb connectivity problems? |
| 18:57:07 | kergoth | erikd: or..? |
| 18:57:08 | erikd | kergoth: yeah |
| 18:57:15 | kergoth | erikd: usbdnet sucks in every distro :) |
| 18:57:33 | erikd | but people say it's working for them in debian and all the others besides mine :) |
| 18:57:49 | numatrix | erikd: I'm sure there are people in here with gentoo who've done it. |
| 18:58:08 | diclophis | whats PPC? |
| 18:58:09 | kergoth | erikd: it works here, and doesnt crash and burn too often |
| 18:58:22 | erikd | diclophis: power pc |
| 18:58:30 | erikd | ibm/motorola cpu |
| 18:58:35 | BZFlag | diclophis: PocketPC in this context. |
| 18:58:36 | nadav | or pocket pc :) |
| 18:58:37 | fieldl | BZFlag: aaahh perhaps I won't go and show the ppc guys here that then :( (M$ Pocket PC) |
| 18:58:38 | erikd | oh |
| 18:58:42 | erikd | that too :) |
| 18:58:45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:58:50 | erikd | kergoth: what're you using? |
| 18:58:56 | erikd | (linux distro) |
| 18:59:08 | kergoth | BZFlag: I got bored and changed the buildroot to use Roman Zippel's new kernel config system to choose packages to build :) |
| 18:59:15 | kergoth | erikd: debian unstable on my desktops |
| 18:59:24 | erikd | bleh, i'm going back to debian |
| 18:59:30 | kergoth | erikd: good call :) |
| 18:59:33 | BZFlag | fieldl: yep. I tried to get bzflag running on an ipaq with any kind of decent frame rate and just decided that all floating point options for strongarm suck. |
| 18:59:53 | erikd | and i found a nice deb netinstall with xfs, so i can still use xfs |
| 18:59:56 | BZFlag | kergoth: cool. I'll try it out. |
| 19:00:09 | kergoth | BZFlag: note, i also got pissed at cvs and threw it up on bkbits |
| 19:00:12 | kergoth | BZFlag: hehe |
| 19:00:16 | fieldl | BZFlag: it certainly does suck.... |
| 19:00:29 | BZFlag | kergoth: then I guess I won't try it out. |
| 19:00:33 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:00:44 | Neo|Work | http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0%2C%2C2002431091%2C00.html |
| 19:01:04 | Neo|Work | "Mexican artist Armando Munoz Garcia says he built his dream home in the shape of a naked woman because he loves sex." |
| 19:01:52 | kergoth | lol |
| 19:01:54 | kergoth | The house, which has a staircase between each floor, is the SECOND naked woman home constructed by Armando. |
| 19:01:54 | erikd | buh bye gentoo... it was fun while it lasted =/ |
| 19:02:16 | fieldl | probably the best newspaper in the world, well maybe not. |
| 19:07:53 | erikd | bbl |
| 19:16:25 | benmeyer | Neo|Work: ehh, but she is standing up, if she was lying down now.... |
| 19:20:01 | Morkeleb | ive logged in via zaurus |
| 19:20:18 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: heh |
| 19:20:32 | benmeyer | http://developer.vercel.com/ |
| 19:20:44 | benmeyer | interesting |
| 19:20:56 | nadav | hm |
| 19:21:43 | Harlekin | benmeyer: .-) |
| 19:22:04 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=505 |
| 19:22:08 | benmeyer | Bangstate |
| 19:23:02 | Harlekin | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=521 |
| 19:23:03 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 19:23:41 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=515 |
| 19:28:19 | Harlekin | benmeyer: not really usefull |
| 19:28:36 | Bovine | I don't suppose any kind soul could compile the latest wlan-ng (0.15pre8) for the OZ kernel? :) |
| 19:31:54 | numatrix | Bovine--what do you need it for? |
| 19:31:58 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 19:32:11 | Bovine | numatrix: trying to get some dodgy arse 802.11b card to work :/ |
| 19:32:19 | Twiun | benmeyer: Hrmmm... that Kaos says gpl but I can't find any sources... |
| 19:32:26 | Twiun | benmeyer: oh well |
| 19:32:45 | numatrix | Bovine: ahh; just curiuos. I was going to ask for it too earlier for kismet before I found a different kismet to use. |
| 19:33:15 | kergoth | numatrix: ? you just set the kismet capture type, thats all ya need to do to make it work with wlan-ng vs wireless-tools |
| 19:33:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:33:47 | Bovine | I haven't even gotten as far as getting kismet on my Z as yet... this damn card |
| 19:33:49 | TheMasterMind1 | sup kergoth |
| 19:33:53 | numatrix | kergoth: I thought I did. :-( Must have screwed it up. |
| 19:34:01 | numatrix | hides in shame.... |
| 19:34:13 | kergoth | jeje |
| 19:34:15 | kergoth | hehe too |
| 19:34:17 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:34:40 | numatrix | could have been chinese: jiejie (sister) or jiji (cock, or chicken). |
| 19:34:44 | Bovine | kergoth: as a matter of interest, what do you use to perform builds for ARM etc? |
| 19:34:46 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth teach me basics of bk |
| 19:35:00 | WingLover | anybody awake who's compiled an input method plug-in? |
| 19:35:05 | kergoth | Bovine: crosscompilation, generally use the 'buildroot' to save headaches |
| 19:35:28 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: head out to bitkeeper.com, they have a quick reference sheet. print it out :) |
| 19:35:45 | Bovine | kergoth: so if I wanted to set all this up to compile my own stuff, it should be possible? :) |
| 19:36:09 | kergoth | certainly |
| 19:36:15 | kergoth | though wlan-ng has serious alignment problems |
| 19:36:18 | Bovine | :/ |
| 19:36:19 | kergoth | so you'll need sharp's patch for it |
| 19:36:23 | Bovine | argh |
| 19:36:24 | kergoth | otherwise you'll get bus errors galore |
| 19:36:33 | kergoth | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/index.asp |
| 19:36:50 | numatrix | is opie.handhelds.org down? |
| 19:36:51 | kergoth | grab the sources from there, the old ones. perhaps you can prdouct a ppatch from them and tyr to get it to apply to the latest |
| 19:36:56 | kergoth | numatrix: handhelds.org is down |
| 19:36:58 | Bovine | I bet this patch is for a really old wlan-ng version |
| 19:37:00 | kergoth | numatrix: CRL lost power |
| 19:37:02 | TheMasterMind1 | where is this quick ref sheet? |
| 19:37:07 | numatrix | kergoth: yikes. |
| 19:37:25 | kergoth | numatrix: france came by after dialing on a 28.8 modem on his laptop in the dark to let people know |
| 19:37:28 | kergoth | numatrix: hehe |
| 19:37:42 | numatrix | kergoth: Any idea when the 3.0 feed will be back? The places to actually download ipks is dwindling... |
| 19:38:07 | numatrix | kergoth: That was quite polite... |
| 19:38:15 | kergoth | indeed |
| 19:38:23 | kergoth | the feed.. well, i'm hacking at tit now |
| 19:38:25 | kergoth | s/tit/it/ |
| 19:38:27 | kergoth | damn lag |
| 19:39:27 | numatrix | Riiight. Blame it on the lag. |
| 19:39:30 | numatrix | ;-) |
| 19:39:34 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix: tjhsst.edu/~agupta/oz2.9.9/ |
| 19:39:37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:39:47 | numatrix | TMM: thanks; I was actually thinking about that... |
| 19:40:00 | numatrix | I think I'll compile libpcap from the most recent source anyway for fun. |
| 19:40:02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm getting the last kinks out of the new setup |
| 19:40:22 | Shayde | 'lo folks. |
| 19:40:38 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth are we using bk or cvs now? |
| 19:40:43 | numatrix | kergoth: Any idea which --with-pcap=TYPE I'll need? |
| 19:40:48 | Bovine | kergoth: there appears to have been some ARM changes running upto the latest wlan-ng versions |
| 19:40:50 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm going to end up writing a new perl script to generate the depends |
| 19:40:58 | kergoth | Bovine: perhaps that fixed it.. |
| 19:41:02 | kergoth | Bovine: worth a shot anyway |
| 19:41:14 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i'm using bk internally, though i'll probably keep the cvs repos sync'd up |
| 19:41:21 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 19:41:21 | Bovine | heh, it'll take me a week to get the cross-compiler etc setup :) |
| 19:41:23 | TheMasterMind1 | what should i use? |
| 19:41:23 | numatrix | kergoth: nm, found it. |
| 19:41:24 | cranchy | Kergoth: I suppose you are releasing your new 2.9.7 soon :P |
| 19:41:33 | kergoth | cranchy: ugh, dont get me started |
| 19:41:55 | kergoth | numatrix: the oz buildroot in configs/ has the build commands necessary to compile a number of things (everything from the oz feed) |
| 19:42:04 | kergoth | numatrix: fyi |
| 19:42:30 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:42:34 | TheMasterMind1 | the bk dir structure is different |
| 19:42:39 | numatrix | kergoth: sweet... I'll look at it; thanks. |
| 19:42:51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ? |
| 19:42:54 | numatrix | kergoth: isn't it hosed up now though? |
| 19:43:16 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth how do i work with the stuff downloaded from bk? |
| 19:43:23 | kergoth | numatrix: the commands are fine, i just wouldnt trust it to build the ipks and everythign for you atm |
| 19:43:28 | TheMasterMind1 | where're all the mk's and main makefile? |
| 19:43:36 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: bk -r co -q in your buildroot dir |
| 19:43:45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: your local dir is a repositiory in and of itself, and you co and ci files in and out of it |
| 19:43:51 | cranchy | hahahah kergoth....smack it around a bit |
| 19:43:53 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 19:44:09 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 19:44:10 | TheMasterMind1 | much better |
| 19:44:25 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: anything you checkin to your local repos will be in your local repos, but wont get into the official tree upstream unless you 'push' them back up after committing |
| 19:44:32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: run 'make' |
| 19:44:36 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: then run make again :) |
| 19:44:50 | Shayde | danmmit |
| 19:44:56 | Shayde | is getting very good at coredumping mysql :( |
| 19:44:57 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:45:06 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth is this new? |
| 19:45:10 | TheMasterMind1 | this makefile bit |
| 19:45:17 | TheMasterMind1 | ncuruses and stuff |
| 19:45:27 | TheMasterMind1 | Build Processor family (Intel Based Processors (x86)) [Intel Based Processors (x86)] (NEW) |
| 19:45:27 | TheMasterMind1 | Target Processor Family (ARM Architecture) [ARM Architecture] (NEW) |
| 19:45:27 | TheMasterMind1 | Crosscompilation prefix (CROSS) [arm-linux-] (NEW) |
| 19:45:30 | TheMasterMind1 | that's cool |
| 19:45:32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:45:38 | kergoth | its like 'make config' in a kernel tree |
| 19:45:43 | kergoth | you can do make xconfig in there as well |
| 19:45:45 | kergoth | or menuconfig |
| 19:45:59 | TheMasterMind1 | freaky |
| 19:46:15 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:46:18 | kergoth | currently only ncurses and busybox are in the config selection, i'm establishing a specific format for things |
| 19:46:22 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 19:46:23 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 19:46:26 | Bovine | ahhh, http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/source/build_image238.asp |
| 19:46:29 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:46:30 | TheMasterMind1 | that's cool |
| 19:46:30 | kergoth | then once i've nailed the format down, i'll just emulate it across the rest |
| 19:46:32 | TheMasterMind1 | i think |
| 19:46:45 | kergoth | otherwise i'll end up having to edit 429370951 files more than once if i keep chanigng the format |
| 19:46:45 | TheMasterMind1 | so i can have a oz buildroot .config |
| 19:46:48 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:46:49 | kergoth | exactly |
| 19:46:56 | kergoth | you just copy it over, make oldconfig, make |
| 19:46:56 | kergoth | boom |
| 19:47:00 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:47:06 | TheMasterMind1 | but all it does is just compile some packages |
| 19:47:06 | kergoth | like a kernel build |
| 19:47:13 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 19:47:19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ipk'ing is off until i add ipkg-x86.. |
| 19:47:24 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: cause it doesnt have ipkg-build to make the ipks |
| 19:47:26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hehe |
| 19:47:45 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 19:47:49 | TheMasterMind1 | nothing works for me :( |
| 19:47:54 | numatrix | kergoth: dumb question; I've got --with-pcap=linux --host arm-linux --build i686-linux in my configure; is that right? |
| 19:47:59 | TheMasterMind1 | qconf.cc:561: `splitter' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 19:47:59 | TheMasterMind1 | qconf.cc:565: parse error before `(' |
| 19:47:59 | TheMasterMind1 | qconf.cc:566: parse error before `::' |
| 19:48:06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hold on, i'm about to push a couple things upstream |
| 19:48:16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dont have qt installed on yoru desktop? |
| 19:48:20 | TheMasterMind1 | *shrug* |
| 19:48:22 | TheMasterMind1 | probably not |
| 19:48:29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you use kde? |
| 19:48:33 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 19:48:37 | TheMasterMind1 | x isn't isntalled |
| 19:48:39 | kergoth | ahh |
| 19:48:42 | kergoth | then dont use xconfig |
| 19:48:42 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:48:45 | kergoth | xconfig is a X gui |
| 19:48:46 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:48:51 | TheMasterMind1 | yea i just realized |
| 19:49:04 | TheMasterMind1 | forgot that i'm not developing locally anymore |
| 19:49:09 | TheMasterMind1 | make menuconfig won't work either |
| 19:49:41 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:49:42 | kergoth | whats it do? |
| 19:49:44 | TheMasterMind1 | tell me when this all works |
| 19:49:55 | TheMasterMind1 | arsenic:/zaurus/buildroot# ./scripts/lkc/mconf ./config.in |
| 19:49:55 | TheMasterMind1 | Your kernel configuration changes were NOT saved. |
| 19:50:01 | kergoth | hm, let me see if roman has a newer version of his config tools than 0.5 |
| 19:50:04 | TheMasterMind1 | nothing comes up |
| 19:50:07 | kergoth | we might not have the latest |
| 19:51:34 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 19:51:38 | numatrix | kergoth: ok, update, I used i686-pc-linux-gnu for the build type and arm-linux for the host type; shouldn't that be right? |
| 19:51:38 | TheMasterMind1 | there's 98 people in here |
| 19:51:42 | TheMasterMind1 | that's insane |
| 19:51:59 | kergoth | numatrix: yep, thats fine |
| 19:52:00 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth look at the .mk files in the buildroot |
| 19:52:13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ? |
| 19:52:22 | numatrix | I get configure: error: cannot determine linux version when cross-compiling |
| 19:52:26 | TheMasterMind1 | err |
| 19:52:30 | TheMasterMind1 | s/kergoth/numatrix/ |
| 19:52:31 | kergoth | numatrix: smack the buildsystem around a bit |
| 19:52:37 | TheMasterMind1 | numatrix: look at the .mk files in the buildroot |
| 19:52:40 | numatrix | TheMasterMind1: yeah, I did... |
| 19:52:43 | numatrix | That's what I'm using. |
| 19:52:44 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 19:52:45 | kergoth | yeah, we dealt with that crap already |
| 19:52:50 | kergoth | numatrix: note the patches we apply.. |
| 19:53:03 | kergoth | numatrix: we patched some of the buildsystems to make them crosscompile |
| 19:53:07 | numatrix | kergoth: oh yeah, I did notice that... shoulda thought it would be for a purporse.. |
| 19:53:09 | tux_mike | sends a nastygram to a luser on his lug's ML |
| 19:53:10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:53:17 | TheMasterMind1 | i think i'm going to leave for a month and come back and see how the buildroot is doing |
| 19:53:58 | tux_mike | this guy is saying "oh it's segfaulting on startup, but i don't know what it is" and expects help |
| 19:54:12 | tux_mike | i mean, put a little effort into your frigging request for help |
| 19:54:14 | tux_mike | iesh |
| 19:54:37 | tux_mike | wonders again why he tries |
| 19:55:28 | Shayde | takes on the lusers attribute. "Whiine!~ It doesn't work! fix it! i didn't change anything! </luser> |
| 19:55:44 | tux_mike | don't make me kill you! :) |
| 19:55:55 | WingLover | I wonder if the guy knows about strace |
| 19:56:08 | kergoth | brb |
| 19:56:17 | tux_mike | all i got from him is that it's happening in his init scripts |
| 19:56:28 | Shayde | does some hacks to the html class handlers to allow double-headers in the tables. |
| 19:56:37 | Shayde | been needing to do this for ages, but ZSI really needs it :( |
| 19:56:49 | numatrix | decides it's easier to use TMM's feed... ;-) |
| 19:56:53 | tux_mike | /and/ he posts it in HTML >< |
| 19:56:54 | Shayde | heya numa. |
| 19:57:10 | numatrix | hey Shayde. How does it? |
| 19:57:24 | Shayde | tux: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Because I Don't Know Better |
| 19:57:24 | Shayde | ? |
| 19:57:29 | numatrix | Sorry I didn't notice you in zsi. |
| 19:57:33 | Shayde | numa: good. doing some ZSi hacking. been away for a while. |
| 19:57:41 | numatrix | Yeah, hadn't seen you in a bit. |
| 19:57:43 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh |
| 19:57:45 | TheMasterMind1 | strace strace ls |
| 19:57:48 | TheMasterMind1 | heheheh |
| 19:58:06 | tux_mike | Shayde: Exactly!!! |
| 19:58:18 | tux_mike | /never/ sends trhough OE. |
| 19:58:28 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 19:58:30 | TheMasterMind1 | strace strace strace ls |
| 19:58:32 | TheMasterMind1 | goes on forever |
| 19:58:41 | TheMasterMind1 | not forever, but for several minutes |
| 19:58:43 | Shayde | just needs an unlame moment to move his primary desktop from Xp to the linux box sitting next to him. |
| 19:58:48 | Shayde | themast: bored? |
| 19:58:51 | TheMasterMind1 | now i know how to get a whole bunch of intimidating output |
| 19:58:58 | tux_mike | i do recive in it, just to check mail while playing NWN, but that shall change tonight |
| 19:59:04 | Shayde | we had a fellow here generate a 6000 line java traceback :) |
| 19:59:14 | Shayde | mild recursive call problem :) |
| 19:59:22 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:59:25 | Shayde | hey, what's up with the NWN linux client? |
| 19:59:28 | tux_mike | you can say that again :) |
| 19:59:43 | tux_mike | shayde: in progress, but according to twuin it's wineable |
| 19:59:58 | Shayde | heh. i knew someone would WINE it before the native client was ready :) |
| 20:00:05 | Twiun | tux_mike: Bah, use nick completion if you can't spell mine ;-) |
| 20:00:14 | Shayde | we need a NWN client for the Z. 8) |
| 20:00:15 | TheMasterMind1 | uhoh |
| 20:00:20 | TheMasterMind1 | hears his processor fan speed up |
| 20:00:24 | Shayde | heh |
| 20:00:26 | Twiun | Shayde: it was actually very easy - out of the box setup |
| 20:00:28 | Shayde | i love hearing that on my laptop. |
| 20:00:34 | Shayde | "Rockin! makin you WORK for your volts!" |
| 20:00:34 | tux_mike | i have no nick completion. vanilla irc, man :) |
| 20:00:36 | TheMasterMind1 | not a good sign on mine |
| 20:00:38 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:00:44 | TheMasterMind1 | i remember when i used to run winME |
| 20:00:46 | Twiun | tux_mike: and you're on kde? |
| 20:00:47 | TheMasterMind1 | it was ALWAYS on |
| 20:00:48 | tux_mike | i'm supprised i can reply to PINGs |
| 20:00:53 | TheMasterMind1 | 100% of the time |
| 20:00:53 | Shayde | heh |
| 20:01:00 | TheMasterMind1 | now i barely hear it |
| 20:01:04 | Shayde | dammit. sorry bout that. |
| 20:01:05 | tux_mike | twiun: no, right now i'm at work working through an ssh tunnel |
| 20:01:14 | Shayde | hey, has someone done vncserver for the Z? |
| 20:01:21 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 20:01:23 | numatrix | Shayde: yeah. |
| 20:01:23 | Twiun | tux_mike: Ahhh... do youserlf a favor... go the BitchX way ;-) |
| 20:01:26 | Shayde | (hard since the Z's screen basically isn't X) |
| 20:01:28 | TheMasterMind1 | there's a vncserver for Z |
| 20:01:28 | Shayde | yeah? hmmm. |
| 20:01:30 | Shayde | ponders that |
| 20:01:33 | TheMasterMind1 | laptop:/home/aman/Z# strace strace strace strace ls 2>&1 | wc -l |
| 20:01:33 | TheMasterMind1 | 1160178 |
| 20:01:33 | numatrix | Shayde: in fact, someone was working on updating it, I think . Who was that again? |
| 20:01:34 | TheMasterMind1 | haha! |
| 20:01:37 | Twiun | tux_mike: erm... yourself even |
| 20:01:42 | Shayde | needs to get the search functions working in ZSI2. :) |
| 20:01:46 | TheMasterMind1 | i beat that 6k lines! |
| 20:01:48 | tux_mike | bitchX? *pukes* |
| 20:02:05 | tux_mike | sorry, i don't do bitchX. *pukes* |
| 20:02:06 | Shayde | heh. i detest bx as well. |
| 20:02:07 | Twiun | tux_mike: beats telnetting to the irc server... |
| 20:02:14 | Shayde | all the attitude, none of the class. |
| 20:02:19 | tux_mike | i'm using irc |
| 20:02:23 | Shayde | is using the Trillian client. |
| 20:02:25 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:02:27 | TheMasterMind1 | trillian?! |
| 20:02:31 | tux_mike | ircII |
| 20:02:31 | TheMasterMind1 | windows whore |
| 20:02:33 | Twiun | Shayde: trillian is great |
| 20:02:37 | tux_mike | trillian irc? *pukes* |
| 20:02:39 | Shayde | hey man, do a /whois on me. i have limitations. :) |
| 20:02:42 | TheMasterMind1 | gaim > * |
| 20:02:57 | tux_mike | trillian is a good IM client, but not an IRC one |
| 20:03:07 | TheMasterMind1 | gaim is a great IM client |
| 20:03:09 | Shayde | , however, will be bucking the trend and going linux desktop shortly. i like running the Z around near folks running their expensive heavy ipaqs. |
| 20:03:14 | Shayde | "neener neener!" |
| 20:03:15 | tux_mike | i run trillian at home, on my linux box :) |
| 20:03:27 | Shayde | i did that for a bit - the window focus stuff was driving me batshit. |
| 20:03:28 | tux_mike | should really talk to those guys about doing a full free linux port |
| 20:03:30 | TheMasterMind1 | beh |
| 20:03:39 | Shayde | tux: no shit. |
| 20:03:39 | TheMasterMind1 | gaim is so much nicer |
| 20:03:44 | tux_mike | shayde: works ok in the xover plugin |
| 20:03:53 | Shayde | ah... that might be better. i was WINEing it. |
| 20:04:00 | tux_mike | mastermind: it doesn't minimize to the kde taskbar |
| 20:04:09 | tux_mike | s/taskbar/system tray |
| 20:04:10 | Shayde | okay, i'm gonna idle for a few minutes... i need to get this view function in zsi2 working. |
| 20:04:17 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:04:21 | TheMasterMind1 | need php help? |
| 20:04:30 | TheMasterMind1 | i am god of php |
| 20:04:59 | Shayde | themaster: we've been here before :) |
| 20:05:07 | numatrix | TMM: Shayde's allright himself... |
| 20:05:12 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:05:20 | Shayde | of course blows the shit out of zsi2. |
| 20:05:21 | Shayde | KABLAM! |
| 20:05:23 | Shayde | hmm. |
| 20:05:36 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm serious |
| 20:05:54 | Shayde | damned wrong method name. |
| 20:06:25 | TheMasterMind1 | kills oop |
| 20:06:51 | Shayde | ahh. |
| 20:08:08 | Shayde | much better. |
| 20:08:13 | Shayde | now for 'most recent Nnnn entries' |
| 20:12:03 | tux_mike | it's difficult to freeze ketchup with difluoroethane |
| 20:15:15 | BZFlag | JasonNJ: any chance of getting me a jtag cable? ;-) |
| 20:15:28 | BZFlag | is too lazy to build one now. |
| 20:16:02 | tux_mike | man, that's cold |
| 20:16:02 | Twiun | BZFlag: you still haven't got it??? |
| 20:16:17 | Twiun | BZFlag: how long have you been asking for it now? |
| 20:16:18 | tux_mike | bzflag: you figer out where the jtag interface is? |
| 20:16:56 | kergoth | BZFlag: gonna port blob? :) |
| 20:17:53 | Shayde | mmm. much better. |
| 20:17:58 | Shayde | cvs commits! |
| 20:19:00 | tux_mike | do not tilt can, invert or shake can. BAH! |
| 20:20:18 | Twiun | hehe |
| 20:20:31 | Twiun | Zaurus-spirit-level! |
| 20:20:55 | Shayde | hmm. shoujld i finish the Search functions now, or go home? |
| 20:20:57 | Shayde | ponders. |
| 20:21:05 | Twiun | hehe |
| 20:21:20 | BZFlag | tux_mike: the Zaurus service manual has the info needed, I just need to make up a cable sometime. |
| 20:21:43 | BZFlag | kergoth: sure, blob would be nice. ;-) 16M-128k of jffs2 sound nice to you? ;-) |
| 20:22:51 | TheMasterMind1 | Shayde: finish |
| 20:22:58 | Shayde | yeah. |
| 20:23:12 | Shayde | if i do a <form method="get"> will the uRL be rewritten to embed the form submission elements? |
| 20:23:19 | tux_mike | bzflag: how much is allocated for jffs2 now? |
| 20:23:21 | Twiun | Shayde: You mean you're not chained to your desk already? |
| 20:23:28 | Twiun | shouts get those chains now! |
| 20:23:30 | Shayde | is tryingt o do the entire site without cookies and with true URLs. |
| 20:23:49 | Shayde | (eg "What? looking for Zaurus applications? foo.bar.com/index.php?s=4&q=applications" |
| 20:23:57 | Shayde | which is working fine so far. |
| 20:24:09 | BZFlag | tux_mike: hmmm 16M-128k-128k-512k-256k-896k iirc |
| 20:24:12 | TheMasterMind1 | Shayde: yes, that's what GET does |
| 20:24:12 | Shayde | aha. answer: yes. |
| 20:24:28 | Shayde | eggzzellent smithers, eggzellent. |
| 20:24:40 | BZFlag | or 16M - 1920k |
| 20:25:37 | | hmmm... sex is updatedb; locate blonde; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; ipkg install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; ipkg remove condom; make clean; sleep |
| 20:25:37 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot sex |
| 20:25:43 | diclophis | so is there still a hold on the Z's for the contest? |
| 20:26:01 | | i think contest is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 20:26:01 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot contest |
| 20:26:06 | kergoth | BZFlag: i was looking at blob the other day.. that looks so easy to port even i could do it :) |
| 20:26:10 | kergoth | BZFlag: architected well |
| 20:26:12 | Shayde | but. but. but. i need to peeeee! |
| 20:26:15 | Shayde | scampers away fro a few. |
| 20:26:34 | diclophis | hmm |
| 20:27:09 | BZFlag | kergoth: heh. it's pretty easy. I'm looking at a sh3 port next. ;-) |
| 20:27:22 | kergoth | BZFlag: sh3.. kai? |
| 20:27:37 | kergoth | brb, i'm in serious need of caffeine |
| 20:28:13 | | i don't know, winglover |
| 20:28:13 | WingLover | ibot, flooterbuck? |
| 20:28:21 | numatrix | dumb question; what /dev/ is the cf card in OZ? |
| 20:28:25 | numatrix | /dev/hda1? |
| 20:28:28 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 20:28:36 | numatrix | Wierd; I'm getting 'no such device' error. |
| 20:28:50 | TheMasterMind1 | with which initrd.bin ? |
| 20:28:50 | kergoth | numatrix: you're probably on the screwd up pcmcia-cs package |
| 20:28:53 | kergoth | numatrix: upgrade |
| 20:28:59 | kergoth | slams a mt dew |
| 20:29:11 | numatrix | kergoth: is it in the 3.0 feed? |
| 20:29:15 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 20:29:17 | kergoth | numatrix: yeah |
| 20:29:21 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 20:29:25 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i built one from latest cvs yesterday :) |
| 20:29:28 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 20:29:55 | BZFlag | kergoth: yeah. for the kaii. I need a loader for sh3 that copies the kernel to ram and hopefully will pass kernel args. |
| 20:30:16 | BZFlag | there is an sh4 blob port around someplace, I'd start there and merge stuff right into cvs. |
| 20:30:53 | BZFlag | numatrix: /dev/hda is the device. hda1 would be the first partition assuming it has one. |
| 20:31:12 | Shayde | hey tmm: did you know the source code to ZSI2 is up in CVS now? |
| 20:31:33 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
| 20:31:52 | Shayde | so if you're in PHP mode, you can check it out. we're running off a sourceforge server. |
| 20:32:06 | numatrix | BZFlag: yeah, it does. Wierd; my friend has Sharp rom and I have OZ and we're trying to put something back and forth, but his Z won't see my SD card and mine won't see his CF. Really wierd. |
| 20:32:10 | Shayde | new codebase is almost functional, but still lacking al ot of what was working in the old version (the one on the site now) |
| 20:32:15 | Shayde | its a major rewrite. |
| 20:32:55 | erikd | grr |
| 20:33:01 | erikd | now debian's being a pain too |
| 20:33:11 | erikd | i can't even upgrade to unstable/kde3 |
| 20:33:13 | TheMasterMind1 | fun. |
| 20:33:31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hey, the 'entering directory' and 'leaving dirctory' show something useful now |
| 20:33:36 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 20:33:41 | TheMasterMind1 | cept nothing else works! |
| 20:33:43 | TheMasterMind1 | but that's ok |
| 20:33:54 | TheMasterMind1 | its getting there |
| 20:34:36 | TheMasterMind1 | after everything's working again, you need to release oz 3 |
| 20:34:52 | Shayde | heh |
| 20:35:45 | diclophis | has anyone gotten php to run on the z? |
| 20:35:54 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 20:35:56 | TheMasterMind1 | not command line |
| 20:35:59 | TheMasterMind1 | but through apache |
| 20:36:44 | kergoth | make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/coding/projects/user/buildroot/packages/bash' |
| 20:36:47 | kergoth | make[1]: Nothing to be done for `ipk'. |
| 20:36:49 | kergoth | make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/coding/projects/user/buildroot/packages/bash' |
| 20:36:52 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:36:54 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 20:37:00 | TheMasterMind1 | that's amazing |
| 20:37:00 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:37:14 | kergoth | not really, but its more useful than it was |
| 20:37:17 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 20:37:21 | TheMasterMind1 | now fix the rest of it :D |
| 20:37:24 | TheMasterMind1 | you figure out depends yet? |
| 20:37:32 | kergoth | its semi-manual atm |
| 20:37:41 | kergoth | i'm going to right a perl 'generate dependencies' script |
| 20:37:48 | kergoth | that'll generate it for us |
| 20:37:51 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 20:37:51 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 20:37:53 | TheMasterMind1 | write it |
| 20:37:53 | kergoth | from the config.in's |
| 20:37:56 | kergoth | yeah yeah |
| 20:37:57 | Shayde | MAN nothing is more painful then hitting capslock in vim by mistake, and not realizing it for about a dozern keystrokes while you're looking away |
| 20:37:58 | Shayde | AHHHH! |
| 20:38:02 | kergoth | first i'm goinjg to enable the builds of the rest of the .mk's |
| 20:38:11 | kergoth | Shayde: oh i *hate* that |
| 20:38:14 | TheMasterMind1 | Shayde: the whole point of vim is not to be looking away! |
| 20:38:26 | Shayde | <hearts> vim's unlimited undo. |
| 20:40:36 | Twiun | agrees with Shayde. |
| 20:48:48 | Shayde | okay, search stubs in place, and it works, but isn't complete. |
| 20:48:51 | Shayde | time to check in and GO HOME! |
| 20:50:01 | Shayde | kayu. later! |
| 20:51:48 | br33zy | hey guys.. |
| 20:52:27 | br33zy | i still havent had a confirmation response or anything from sharp about my contest... I sent in an email about it.. but still nothing.. heh.. any ideas? |
| 20:52:35 | br33zy | i read that latest thread too |
| 20:52:45 | Cam__ | just wait I supose |
| 20:52:51 | Twiun | kergoth: fancy giving my site a spin to see if I've restored all the best bits? |
| 20:53:03 | kergoth | Twiun: certainly. whats the url again? |
| 20:53:13 | Twiun | http://81.5.129.62/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 20:53:22 | Twiun | dns still isn't setup I'm afraid |
| 20:54:13 | Twiun | hmmm... ok, the all-in-one page is broken... not all the sections get included... |
| 20:54:29 | numatrix | benmeyer: ping |
| 20:56:27 | numatrix | benmeyer: I just tried the opera creator. Opera segfaults still. |
| 20:56:40 | br33zy | opera segfaults a lot |
| 20:56:43 | br33zy | did you reboot? |
| 20:56:46 | numatrix | br33zy: yeah. |
| 20:56:58 | Cam__ | Twiun do you know if the thinlets stuff will work on the Z's Java? |
| 20:57:18 | Twiun | Cam__: last time I tried it it did... albeit very, VERY slowly |
| 20:57:19 | kergoth | Twiun: looking good. note that under qtopia integration there's a subsection with a typo, "Taskbak Icon" :) |
| 20:57:27 | Twiun | lol |
| 20:57:30 | Twiun | thanks ;-) |
| 20:57:44 | kergoth | np, i'm still perusing |
| 20:58:06 | Cam__ | :( what is the performance problem,it's zippy on a x86 |
| 20:58:51 | Twiun | Cam__: afaik (and from some slight decompilation) he's using arrays to represent objects... no inheritance at all |
| 20:59:18 | Cam__ | and arrays are slow? |
| 20:59:27 | Cam__ | <-- not a Java expert |
| 20:59:55 | Twiun | looks like in Jeode at least they're not particularly efficient... but I don't have clean source to see what the problem really is |
| 21:00:08 | Twiun | And I haven't checked out any progress over the past month |
| 21:00:47 | Twiun | hmm, ok the layout is completely borked in opera |
| 21:01:26 | kergoth | Twiun: i noticed that. the content on the right side is thin, doesnt take up the full width |
| 21:01:40 | WingLover | In case there's anyone new in here since the last time I asked, is there anyone awake who has successfully compiled an Input Method plugin? |
| 21:01:42 | Twiun | kergoth: yeah, it's supposed to be fuller |
| 21:01:43 | numatrix | br33zy: you'ev gotten it going in OZ? |
| 21:02:44 | Twiun | kergoth: found the problem... the width is being translated as width="100%25" |
| 21:02:50 | Twiun | which obviously doesn't help ;-) |
| 21:02:54 | br33zy | numatrix: huh? |
| 21:03:08 | kergoth | Twiun: ahhhh hehe |
| 21:03:13 | numatrix | I'm talking about running opera in open zaurus. |
| 21:03:27 | br33zy | oh nevermind |
| 21:03:36 | numatrix | is away: I'm not here. |
| 21:10:04 | Twiun | kergoth: there... how does that look now? |
| 21:10:11 | Twiun | kergoth: I think I've fixed it |
| 21:13:32 | ciaolinux | does anyone have news about the Z we are supposed to receive for the contest? |
| 21:14:28 | kergoth | Twiun: sweet. you got it |
| 21:14:32 | kergoth | Twiun: looks much better :) |
| 21:14:36 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:14:57 | Twiun | yup... now all I have to do is fix the nasties with NS6 and IE5 |
| 21:15:07 | Twiun | for some reason they bugger up the tables |
| 21:15:16 | Twiun | but I'll fix that tomorrow ;-) |
| 21:15:52 | TheMasterMind1 | ciaolinux: yes |
| 21:15:56 | TheMasterMind1 | read the website |
| 21:15:59 | | rumour has it challenge is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 21:15:59 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot: challenge |
| 21:16:05 | TheMasterMind1 | read that, there's an update |
| 21:16:43 | kergoth | oh fuck |
| 21:16:44 | kergoth | fuck fuck fuck |
| 21:16:56 | Twiun | eh? |
| 21:16:58 | kergoth | i lost some files i was working on |
| 21:17:00 | kergoth | damnit |
| 21:17:04 | kergoth | damn you rm -rf * |
| 21:17:05 | kergoth | ! |
| 21:17:07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:17:12 | Twiun | ack |
| 21:17:14 | hobbs | is it me, or does the Z severely need a pinball game? |
| 21:17:18 | KeyserSoze | did anyone here win a Zaurus? |
| 21:17:23 | Twiun | it's not just you ;-) |
| 21:17:33 | kergoth | oo z pinball would be sweet |
| 21:17:39 | br33zy | rm -rf kergoth |
| 21:17:40 | br33zy | whoops |
| 21:17:48 | br33zy | wrong file.. |
| 21:17:49 | br33zy | oh well |
| 21:17:53 | Twiun | right, I'm off, g'night folks! |
| 21:17:57 | kergoth | bash: kergoth: permission denied |
| 21:17:57 | br33zy | chown root br33zy |
| 21:18:03 | hobbs | preferably using okay/cancel. they're both possible to grab, right? |
| 21:18:04 | KeyserSoze | mv /Recycle\ Bin/Kergoth . |
| 21:18:04 | br33zy | $ exit |
| 21:18:15 | br33zy | hey wait a second |
| 21:18:17 | br33zy | you cant do that |
| 21:18:21 | KeyserSoze | huh? what? |
| 21:18:24 | br33zy | nothin.. |
| 21:18:27 | br33zy | rm -rf kergoth |
| 21:18:31 | KeyserSoze | mv /Recycle\ Bin/Kergoth . |
| 21:18:36 | br33zy | rm -rf /Recycle\ Bin/Kergoth |
| 21:18:37 | br33zy | rm -rf kergoth |
| 21:18:39 | br33zy | rm -rf /Recycle\ Bin/Kergoth |
| 21:18:44 | br33zy | hehe |
| 21:18:48 | br33zy | brb |
| 21:18:51 | KeyserSoze | rm -rf /Recycle\ Bin |
| 21:18:59 | KeyserSoze | now he's screwed. |
| 21:19:01 | br33zy | rm -rf KeyserSoze |
| 21:19:04 | KeyserSoze | shit! |
| 21:19:05 | kergoth | is rm'd |
| 21:19:15 | NewKeyser | rm -rf br33zy |
| 21:19:20 | br33zy | im chowned root |
| 21:19:23 | br33zy | you have to su first.. |
| 21:19:26 | diclophis | downt forget the wild card |
| 21:19:29 | NewKeyser | cp NewKeyser KeyserSoze |
| 21:19:30 | br33zy | <Twiun> right, I'm off, g'night folks! |
| 21:19:30 | br33zy | <kergoth> bash: kergoth: permission denied |
| 21:19:30 | br33zy | <br33zy> chown root br33zy |
| 21:19:31 | br33zy | see |
| 21:19:33 | diclophis | rm -Rf /Recycle\ |
| 21:19:38 | diclophis | rm -Rf /Recycle\ Bin/ * |
| 21:19:39 | diclophis | ;) |
| 21:19:46 | br33zy | rm -rf * |
| 21:19:50 | br33zy | rm -rf / |
| 21:19:59 | br33zy | rm -rf #zaurus |
| 21:20:06 | br33zy | rm -rf *.*.net |
| 21:20:09 | br33zy | muhaha |
| 21:20:09 | br33zy | lol |
| 21:20:10 | br33zy | brb |
| 21:20:19 | diclophis | man... my first bad expereince with something like that is when i tried to copy a file from my windows drive to my newly installed linux distro |
| 21:20:24 | KeyserSoze | chown KeyserSoze br33zy |
| 21:20:26 | KeyserSoze | hah! |
| 21:20:29 | diclophis | cp /dev/hdb1 / |
| 21:20:32 | br33zy | but im chowned root |
| 21:20:32 | diclophis | yowsa |
| 21:20:34 | br33zy | you cant rechown me |
| 21:20:43 | KeyserSoze | it worked, didn't it? |
| 21:20:44 | br33zy | unless your root |
| 21:20:45 | KeyserSoze | i didn |
| 21:20:47 | br33zy | well fine |
| 21:20:50 | br33zy | rm -rf br33zy |
| 21:20:50 | KeyserSoze | 't see an error message... |
| 21:21:01 | br33zy | i screwed myself |
| 21:21:02 | br33zy | :-) |
| 21:21:03 | br33zy | brb |
| 21:24:49 | hobbs | actually, I can't even think of a decent SDL pinball game for linux period. |
| 21:24:53 | mjn3 | kergoth: i just ran some tests. got some stats comparing ramfs and tmpfs.. |
| 21:25:10 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 21:25:13 | kergoth | mjn3: ah, regarding kernel size? memory footprint? |
| 21:25:14 | TheMasterMind1 | i wanna see results |
| 21:25:18 | kergoth | as do i |
| 21:25:20 | hobbs | What I'd like to see would be Pinball Fantasies and/or Pinball Dreams Deluxe and/or Epic Pinball, but none of those are likely. |
| 21:25:27 | kergoth | hobbs: i miss epic pinball |
| 21:25:45 | kergoth | i remember that weird ass enigma level, all red and psychadelic |
| 21:25:47 | hobbs | kergoth: I've got a copy on mom's winbox. Actually, I've got the CD. |
| 21:25:54 | kergoth | bb |
| 21:25:56 | kergoth | brb |
| 21:26:14 | TheMasterMind1 | mjn3: showith em |
| 21:27:44 | mjn3 | kergoth: kernel size increases about 4k with tmpfs. to compare memory footprint, i set up an i386 uml session with kernel 2.4.6. created either a ramfs or tmpfs, and then (cd /usr ; tar cf - .) | (cd /mnt ; tar xf -). then i waited a little while to let the mem system settle down. number follow |
| 21:28:19 | mjn3 | (ramfs) total: used: free: shared: buffers: cached: |
| 21:28:19 | mjn3 | Mem: 65982464 19914752 46067712 0 163840 17534976 |
| 21:28:19 | mjn3 | Swap: 0 0 0 |
| 21:28:19 | mjn3 | MemTotal: 64436 kB |
| 21:28:19 | mjn3 | MemFree: 44988 kB |
| 21:28:20 | mjn3 | MemShared: 0 kB |
| 21:28:22 | mjn3 | Buffers: 160 kB |
| 21:28:24 | mjn3 | Cached: 17124 kB |
| 21:28:26 | mjn3 | Active: 260 kB |
| 21:28:28 | mjn3 | Inact_dirty: 17024 kB |
| 21:28:30 | mjn3 | Inact_clean: 0 kB |
| 21:28:32 | mjn3 | Inact_target: 4 kB |
| 21:28:34 | mjn3 | HighTotal: 0 kB |
| 21:28:37 | mjn3 | HighFree: 0 kB |
| 21:28:39 | mjn3 | LowTotal: 64436 kB |
| 21:28:41 | mjn3 | LowFree: 44988 kB |
| 21:28:42 | mjn3 | SwapTotal: 0 kB |
| 21:28:44 | mjn3 | SwapFree: 0 kB |
| 21:28:46 | mjn3 | (tmpfs) total: used: free: shared: buffers: cached: |
| 21:28:50 | mjn3 | Mem: 65982464 20066304 45916160 0 163840 17530880 |
| 21:28:52 | mjn3 | Swap: 0 0 0 |
| 21:29:00 | mjn3 | MemTotal: 64436 kB |
| 21:29:02 | mjn3 | MemFree: 44840 kB |
| 21:29:04 | mjn3 | MemShared: 0 kB |
| 21:29:07 | mjn3 | Buffers: 160 kB |
| 21:29:08 | mjn3 | Cached: 17120 kB |
| 21:29:10 | mjn3 | Active: 252 kB |
| 21:29:12 | mjn3 | Inact_dirty: 17028 kB |
| 21:29:14 | mjn3 | Inact_clean: 0 kB |
| 21:29:16 | mjn3 | Inact_target: 4 kB |
| 21:29:21 | mjn3 | HighTotal: 0 kB |
| 21:29:22 | mjn3 | HighFree: 0 kB |
| 21:29:23 | TheMasterMind1 | hum... |
| 21:29:24 | mjn3 | LowTotal: 64436 kB |
| 21:29:27 | mjn3 | LowFree: 44840 kB |
| 21:29:28 | mjn3 | SwapTotal: 0 kB |
| 21:29:31 | mjn3 | SwapFree: 0 kB |
| 21:29:33 | mjn3 | 7847 usr |
| 21:29:34 | mjn3 | 279 |
| 21:29:36 | mjn3 | 169 |
| 21:29:38 | mjn3 | bahh... du /usr is 7847, 279 entries, 169 are normal files |
| 21:30:03 | mjn3 | tmpfs uses about 150k more for than ramfs in this case |
| 21:30:20 | fusion94 | mjn3: care to NOT flood the channel next time ? |
| 21:31:04 | mjn3 | tmpfs has the advantages that you can set max blocks and inodes, and it is swappable |
| 21:31:25 | hobbs | and it disappears whenever you want. tmpfs is rather nifty, sometimes. :) |
| 21:31:52 | mjn3 | fusion94: sorry, but i know a number of people (kergoth, BZFlag) were interested... |
| 21:32:16 | hobbs | is away: f00d |
| 21:32:17 | fusion94 | i can understand that, but thats what #flood is for..... |
| 21:33:16 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't count :( |
| 21:34:05 | TheMasterMind1 | mplayer_0.90pre7-1e_arm.ipk |
| 21:34:13 | TheMasterMind1 | TeaX: you here? |
| 21:35:11 | mjn3 | fusion94: sorry, this medium of communication is new to me, and i haven't had time to investigate further. pointers? what is #flood? |
| 21:36:08 | Bala | mjn3: a channel specifically dedicated to pasting large floods from other channels. |
| 21:37:39 | br33zy | moo |
| 21:37:42 | br33zy | im fullamoo |
| 21:38:21 | mjn3 | Bala: thank you. I console myself that at least my signal to noise ratio is high... |
| 21:47:09 | noda | Ahhhhhhhhhh, finally I have Internet again! :) |
| 21:47:50 | kergoth | noda: congrats |
| 21:47:55 | kergoth | mjn3: thanks for the info.. hmm |
| 21:47:55 | KeyserSoze | no, we *share* the internet. |
| 21:48:06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:48:10 | KeyserSoze | noda, quite hogging the internet! |
| 21:48:17 | KeyserSoze | s/quit/quite |
| 21:48:17 | noda | grins. |
| 21:48:42 | KeyserSoze | notices the noda grins, but doesn't give back the internet. |
| 21:48:50 | KeyserSoze | s/the/that |
| 21:49:25 | noda | Aargh, quite a friggin' story. The cable guys don't fix the problem for a month - it's a network problem, not a problem with my modem. Then they "fix" it on Monday but it still doesn't work, then today when i'm at school they come in (friend let them in), replace the modem, turn off two computers and unplug my alarm clock, bedside lamp, cell phone charger and electric screwdriver. |
| 21:49:51 | KeyserSoze | argh! |
| 21:49:56 | KeyserSoze | is it AT&T? |
| 21:50:05 | noda | They tell my friend "You'll have to let your friend fix it when he gets back" |
| 21:50:09 | noda | No, "Videotron". |
| 21:50:29 | noda | And if they didn't give 500kbyte/sec download speed, I'd leave them in two seconds flat. |
| 21:50:38 | noda | (and a permanent IP) |
| 21:50:46 | KeyserSoze | eek. 500? |
| 21:50:51 | mjn3 | kergoth: no problem. i'm heading to my LUG meeting shortly |
| 21:51:00 | KeyserSoze | has 1.5k down, and .256k up. |
| 21:51:00 | noda | Yeah, 500 average. I've gone up to 750+. |
| 21:51:05 | noda | Only 15 up |
| 21:51:08 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth how goes it |
| 21:51:22 | KeyserSoze | 15?!?! |
| 21:51:31 | noda | They block port 80 though :( |
| 21:52:07 | TheMasterMind1 | i get 60KB down, 40KB up and no port 80 block |
| 21:52:21 | KeyserSoze | on a cable modem? |
| 21:52:24 | TheMasterMind1 | dsl |
| 21:52:48 | nadav | hm |
| 21:52:52 | noda | KiloBYTE or BIT? :) |
| 21:53:11 | nadav | = 1.5mbps down, 1mbps up |
| 21:53:26 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh |
| 21:53:29 | TheMasterMind1 | 1mbps up is nice |
| 21:53:30 | KeyserSoze | nadav: who from? |
| 21:53:53 | nadav | keysersoze: Atlantabroadband. local isp |
| 21:53:58 | nadav | cable |
| 21:54:11 | nadav | i really don't think they know what they're doing |
| 21:54:14 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 21:54:17 | nadav | giving 1mbps up for $45/month |
| 21:54:19 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:54:22 | noda | Ouch :( |
| 21:54:22 | KeyserSoze | ! |
| 21:54:27 | TheMasterMind1 | that's awesome |
| 21:54:32 | noda | That's awful! |
| 21:54:37 | KeyserSoze | m or M? |
| 21:54:43 | nadav | but then.. it was 300-400k down for about a year :) |
| 21:54:43 | noda | Oh, *m* :) |
| 21:54:55 | nadav | heh |
| 21:54:59 | KeyserSoze | milli wouldn't be good. |
| 21:55:08 | TheMasterMind1 | sigh.. |
| 21:55:15 | br33zy | moo |
| 21:55:57 | TheMasterMind1 | boo |
| 21:58:55 | noda | So, what's happened in internet-land (or Zaurus-land) in the past month? :) |
| 21:59:41 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth killed openzaurus |
| 21:59:50 | noda | Really? |
| 22:00:01 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 22:00:08 | noda | In what way? |
| 22:00:12 | TheMasterMind1 | its in a coma now |
| 22:00:25 | noda | Oh no! :( |
| 22:00:56 | burtonator | is away: out of power |
| 22:01:21 | Onyx4 | What I might suggest is that rather then using CVS drops directly on your buildroot, that you use CVS snapshots that you test first invidually rather than everytime building it that you get a new CVS snapshot for _everything_ in OZ |
| 22:02:11 | Onyx4 | because stuff change in the CVS of opie and busybox and others that causes problems you didn't expect |
| 22:02:31 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:02:40 | TheMasterMind1 | but bleeding edge is sooooo coooool |
| 22:02:55 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth's getting it all sorted out |
| 22:03:01 | TheMasterMind1 | there's going to be a stable, testing and unstable |
| 22:03:02 | Onyx4 | well yes/no, you could still do bleeding edge, but validate the latest code drop on a test system first |
| 22:03:05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: very very little is being pulled from cvs. |
| 22:03:07 | kergoth | er |
| 22:03:08 | TheMasterMind1 | testing will have last working - snapshot |
| 22:03:13 | kergoth | s/themastermind1/onyx4/i; |
| 22:03:15 | TheMasterMind1 | unstable will have bleeding |
| 22:03:18 | TheMasterMind1 | and stable will be last release |
| 22:03:20 | kergoth | yep, exactly |
| 22:03:20 | TheMasterMind1 | afaik |
| 22:03:32 | KeyserSoze | i trust this will all be figured out in a week when my zaurus arrives? |
| 22:03:40 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:03:43 | kergoth | testing will exist for those who dont want bleeding edge |
| 22:03:44 | TheMasterMind1 | too much trust |
| 22:03:56 | kergoth | bah |
| 22:03:59 | KeyserSoze | oh, and scanline will have picoGUI working with OZ by then, too. |
| 22:04:07 | Onyx4 | I try to run buildroot on my machine, but it looks like the .cvspass isn't right for opie... is that normal? |
| 22:04:08 | noda | Ooh :) |
| 22:04:08 | TheMasterMind1 | mnn |
| 22:04:19 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: the server is borked |
| 22:04:24 | TheMasterMind1 | CRL = no power |
| 22:04:30 | Onyx4 | the opie cvs? |
| 22:04:35 | TheMasterMind1 | handhelds.org = down |
| 22:04:39 | Onyx4 | wow |
| 22:04:44 | Onyx4 | that sucks |
| 22:04:48 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 22:04:50 | KeyserSoze | handhelds.org := up; |
| 22:04:57 | KeyserSoze | (does Ada work in this channel?) |
| 22:05:12 | TheMasterMind1 | no! |
| 22:05:15 | TheMasterMind1 | no pascal either! |
| 22:05:25 | Onyx4 | because I would like to start testing my own mods to OZ and maybe add stuff to it,etc. |
| 22:05:41 | KeyserSoze | ":="(handhelds.org, up); |
| 22:05:53 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:05:57 | TheMasterMind1 | ruby :p |
| 22:06:08 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: what mods speakith you of? |
| 22:06:29 | KeyserSoze | is all ears. mostly. |
| 22:06:40 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: well just some general cleanup, small tweaking here and there, basically fix some stuff up that I find myself |
| 22:06:55 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:07:03 | kergoth | Onyx4: any assistance would be appreciated. |
| 22:07:06 | TheMasterMind1 | you realize that the whole buildroot has been rewritten? |
| 22:07:21 | TheMasterMind1 | and i'm stuck here with nothing to do |
| 22:07:30 | Onyx4 | kergoth: yes that's why I'm trying to setup a working buildroot on my system, then I could help if you'd want to give cvs write access |
| 22:07:34 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: help convert .mks to the new format |
| 22:07:43 | TheMasterMind1 | have you setup the new format yet? |
| 22:07:44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: in the bk tree, in packages/ |
| 22:07:47 | TheMasterMind1 | weren't you still thinking about it |
| 22:07:54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hold, i'll commit ncurses and bash, they follow the correct format for now |
| 22:07:59 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 22:08:00 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: atd is correct as well |
| 22:08:09 | Onyx4 | or I could just send you the patches against the buildroot to begin with, etc. |
| 22:09:13 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i update my bk tree? |
| 22:09:14 | Neo|Work | is away: I'm busy |
| 22:09:14 | Onyx4 | one thing that I would find quite nice, is if the patches would not be .gz so that we can browse them thru web CVS and see diffs generated,etc |
| 22:09:26 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: we're not using cvs anymore |
| 22:09:30 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:00:01) |
| 22:09:31 | noda | bk pull |
| 22:09:32 | Onyx4 | you're not? |
| 22:09:42 | TheMasterMind1 | though it will still be synced up it seems |
| 22:09:47 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: bitkeeper.com |
| 22:09:59 | Onyx4 | mmm I'll have to check that then |
| 22:10:08 | noda | prefers cvs, from a freedom point of view and because he knows how to use it :P |
| 22:10:08 | Onyx4 | never heard of it |
| 22:10:11 | TheMasterMind1 | openzaurus.bkbits.net |
| 22:10:13 | noda | Linux uses bk |
| 22:10:22 | TheMasterMind1 | linux uses bk |
| 22:10:26 | TheMasterMind1 | err |
| 22:10:28 | noda | lol |
| 22:10:29 | TheMasterMind1 | s/linux/linux |
| 22:10:31 | TheMasterMind1 | s/linux/linus |
| 22:10:33 | TheMasterMind1 | dammit |
| 22:11:26 | kergoth | Onyx4: moving them to ungzipped versions would be easy enough |
| 22:11:31 | nadav | heh |
| 22:11:36 | TheMasterMind1 | gunzip *.gz |
| 22:11:47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and edit the .mk's |
| 22:11:48 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: :) |
| 22:11:48 | | zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi' |
| 22:11:48 | Bovine | ibot zsi |
| 22:11:56 | Onyx4 | kergoth: yean if the bitkeeper stuff can also provide a view of the diffs thru web,etc. |
| 22:12:12 | | Something failed in connecting to the ZSI web server. Try again later. |
| 22:12:12 | Bovine | ibot show recent zsi |
| 22:12:12 | kergoth | Onyx4: it can |
| 22:12:17 | Bovine | growls menacingly at ibot! |
| 22:12:22 | Onyx4 | that way it's easier for people to check for regressions,etc |
| 22:12:49 | | MyPDA_FileBrowser >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=523 |
| 22:12:50 | | OperaCreator 1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=522 |
| 22:12:51 | | JeodCreator 1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=521 |
| 22:12:52 | | 3 of 5 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=show recent zsi |
| 22:12:52 | BZFlag | ibot show recent zsi |
| 22:12:56 | TheMasterMind1 | eh |
| 22:12:59 | TheMasterMind1 | opera creator? |
| 22:13:03 | TheMasterMind1 | jeodcreator? |
| 22:13:07 | TheMasterMind1 | ben's been busy eh? |
| 22:13:15 | BZFlag | pulls the files off a rom. |
| 22:13:43 | noda | Sweet, gotta try that :) |
| 22:13:48 | BZFlag | well, off a running system actually. the .mk in OZ pulls them off the rom. |
| 22:14:08 | noda | Wait, so *how* exactly do you get Opera into OZ? |
| 22:14:47 | TheMasterMind1 | noda: run operacreator on a sharp rom and then install the ipk on oz |
| 22:14:48 | BZFlag | with those, you install the OperaCrator on the sharp rom, run it, save the output. install OZ, install the saved ipk |
| 22:14:58 | noda | Ick, any other way to do it? :) |
| 22:15:24 | noda | i.e., can you just get it from the file downloaded from the 'net? (the Sharp ROM) |
| 22:15:34 | TheMasterMind1 | not atm |
| 22:15:53 | noda | Ah. Shouldn't be that much of a challenge though, right? |
| 22:16:01 | BZFlag | well, if I finish the .mk in OZ, then you can get buildroot-oz from cvs, make ipkg, make sharprom, sudo make sharproot, make rom-opera |
| 22:16:34 | noda | Fun... haven't tried fun stuff with buildroot-oz yet :) |
| 22:16:42 | KeyserSoze | is confused. why can't you just install the ipk? |
| 22:16:54 | BZFlag | course kergoth broke the buildroot and has not fixed it yet. |
| 22:16:57 | noda | KeyserSoze: Because that'd be giving away Opera for free, which is illegal. |
| 22:17:10 | kergoth | hides |
| 22:17:13 | BZFlag | KeyserSoze: where would you get the ipkg? |
| 22:17:35 | KeyserSoze | BZFlag: from a friendly Zaurus owner. |
| 22:17:56 | KeyserSoze | i assumed it would only be of use to someone who already HAS a zaurus, so of course they'd have a liscense. |
| 22:18:02 | KeyserSoze | but I guess I see what you mean. |
| 22:18:03 | BZFlag | KeyserSoze: I think you meant "a friendly criminal zaurus owner" |
| 22:18:32 | BZFlag | could be run on opie on an ipaq. but not legally. |
| 22:18:42 | KeyserSoze | does Opera come on the zaurus when you buy it? I don't have mine yet. |
| 22:18:49 | TheMasterMind1 | yers |
| 22:18:55 | KeyserSoze | yeah, i forgot about the ipaq. |
| 22:18:58 | fusion94 | BZFlag: speaking of criminality...how is Utah ? |
| 22:19:00 | BZFlag | on the 5000d/5500 yes. but not on the a300 |
| 22:19:15 | TheMasterMind1 | Warning: running BitKeeper as root is not a good idea! |
| 22:19:16 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf? |
| 22:19:34 | BZFlag | fusion94: fine, fine. SLLUG tonight meeting about anti-spam laws. |
| 22:19:41 | TheMasterMind1 | ./scripts/lkc/conf -s ./config.in |
| 22:19:42 | TheMasterMind1 | can't find file packages/atd/config.in |
| 22:19:42 | TheMasterMind1 | make: *** [.config] Error 1 |
| 22:19:43 | TheMasterMind1 | sniff |
| 22:19:57 | fusion94 | BZFlag: heh...nothing on polygamy tonight ? |
| 22:19:58 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hold a sec, i misplaced that fine :) |
| 22:20:04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: er file |
| 22:20:09 | BZFlag | fusion94: heh, not unless they are spammers. |
| 22:20:14 | fusion94 | lol |
| 22:20:20 | fusion94 | well...in a sense...they are |
| 22:20:24 | BZFlag | hehe |
| 22:20:27 | fusion94 | they spam the world with their offspring |
| 22:20:35 | fusion94 | i'd rather have email spam |
| 22:20:36 | KeyserSoze | I agree that it wouldn't be good to have a opera ipkg sitting out on a server somewhere, but as a sidenote, would it be illegal for someone who has a 5500 to get an ipkg of Opera from someone else who has a 5500? |
| 22:21:12 | TheMasterMind1 | everything is illegal |
| 22:21:17 | TheMasterMind1 | haven't you heard of the dmca ? |
| 22:21:26 | KeyserSoze | lol |
| 22:22:32 | Onyx4 | I don't think I want to reflash to sharp rom just to get opera, someone should be able to send it to me since I own the product |
| 22:24:19 | BZFlag | KeyserSoze: yes, it would be illegal. same as copying a windows install cd. |
| 22:25:02 | hobbs | is back (gone 00:52:46) |
| 22:25:26 | badalex1 | BZFlag: thats illegal? |
| 22:25:51 | KeyserSoze | BZFlag: huh. i thought using it without a liscense was illegal, not just copying it. you're undoubtedly right though, since it is "copy"righted. |
| 22:26:23 | hobbs | of course, what's legal and what's right don't always line up. Especially when copyright gets involved. |
| 22:27:06 | BZFlag | hobbs: I agree. making a copy of a windows cd for someone that has a scratched one seems "right" to me, but still illegal. =( |
| 22:27:43 | badalex1 | BZFlag: what about my personal backup? |
| 22:27:56 | BZFlag | course I make copies of my debian install cds for friends all the time. ;-) |
| 22:28:06 | TheMasterMind1 | just use konq! |
| 22:28:09 | kryhme | i have never paid for software ever |
| 22:28:09 | KeyserSoze | i guess i shouldn't offer to run operacreator on my zaurus then (before I put OZ on it), to get an ipkg of Opera to give to other people who already have OZ on theirs, right out in public. |
| 22:28:19 | badalex1 | BZFlag: lol |
| 22:28:20 | hobbs | badalex1: I think that MS still allows _one_, but of course you can't let anyone else within 30 feet. |
| 22:28:26 | badalex1 | lol |
| 22:28:29 | BZFlag | badalex1: gray area. If I had to pick a legal view, I'd say personal backups are legal. |
| 22:28:49 | kryhme | has anyone tried to install prBoom ? |
| 22:28:51 | badalex1 | BZFlag: yeah gray, lol iagree |
| 22:29:12 | hobbs | kryhme: yeah, works fine for me, but you can't really get good gameplay with the Z's controls. |
| 22:29:19 | BZFlag | KeyserSoze: nope. and asking them to msg you for a copy would likely be a Bad Thing too. ;-) |
| 22:29:44 | kryhme | i was thinking of giving it a shot |
| 22:29:57 | hobbs | kryhme: but it works flawlessly and at full speed. And it's great for showing off. :_) |
| 22:30:01 | KeyserSoze | BZFlag: I know better than that :) |
| 22:30:13 | BZFlag | kryhme: I fixed lxdoom in debian for arm there were a ton of alignment issues. |
| 22:30:37 | BZFlag | kryhme: I sent my patches to one of the prboom maintainers, but I don't think they ever got applied. |
| 22:31:17 | kryhme | hobbs: thanks for the input ... does anyone have any wad files i can borrow? |
| 22:31:20 | hobbs | BZFlag: on ARM, do "alignment issues" mean slowdown, or Really Bad Thing? |
| 22:31:27 | BZFlag | lxdoom runs run on the ipaq under X and netplay with x86 versions works too. you could apt-get source and review the patches. |
| 22:31:27 | kryhme | i bet they're on the net somewhere |
| 22:31:34 | hobbs | kryhme: the shareware iwad is available in ipk form already. |
| 22:31:50 | BZFlag | hobbs: in the case of doom, they meant complete meltdown. |
| 22:32:12 | hobbs | okay. |
| 22:32:27 | hobbs | btw, is anyone else using opie-nethack 3.4.0 ? |
| 22:32:43 | BZFlag | kryhme: see previous comment about "illegal" copying. ;-) oh. actually the shareware wads are in debian non-free last I checked. |
| 22:33:33 | BZFlag | yep. apt-get install doom-wad-shareware |
| 22:33:52 | kryhme | yeah, i know all about the legalities of everything ... but i'm sure even people that bought doom when it came out have long since lost their files |
| 22:34:10 | kryhme | and i know i actually owned it once |
| 22:34:23 | hobbs | yeah. I used to own Ultimate DooM, actually, and I don't have that anymore. |
| 22:34:26 | hobbs | udoom was the best. |
| 22:34:45 | KeyserSoze | does the 5500 only have a 16mb ROM? I thought I heard it was 32mb... |
| 22:34:46 | kryhme | once i found the cheat codes, the game just lost it's luster |
| 22:34:54 | treke | KeyserSoze: 16mb |
| 22:34:59 | KeyserSoze | doh :( |
| 22:35:11 | TheMasterMind1 | KeyserSoze: 16rom 32ram |
| 22:35:22 | treke | 64 ram :) |
| 22:35:26 | KeyserSoze | ah, good. |
| 22:35:28 | hobbs | kryhme: I manage to play without, unless I get in a really bad place, in which case I iddqd and go berserk for a while, and then play a real game again. |
| 22:35:32 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: what URL is the bk to clone from ? |
| 22:35:35 | BZFlag | KeyserSoze: 5000 is 16/32, 5500 is 16/64 |
| 22:35:45 | KeyserSoze | is any of the ram used as a ramdisk? |
| 22:36:00 | kryhme | 64 is the ramdisk , right? |
| 22:36:01 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot; cd buildroot; bk pull |
| 22:36:06 | treke | KeyserSoze: 32mb of the 5500 is ramdisk |
| 22:36:06 | kryhme | ah |
| 22:36:07 | treke | roughly |
| 22:36:09 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:36:13 | BZFlag | yes on both. 2 different size choices based on which ROM you install. |
| 22:36:14 | TheMasterMind1 | my zaurus has 64ram? |
| 22:36:15 | hobbs | KeyserSoze: with the sharp rom, half of it is a sort of persistent ramdisk. |
| 22:36:16 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 22:36:18 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm really out of it |
| 22:36:26 | KeyserSoze | so 48mb of storage, 32mb of memory? |
| 22:36:44 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 22:36:45 | treke | KeyserSoze: 32MB of storage. the ROM is read only |
| 22:36:46 | TheMasterMind1 | other way |
| 22:36:50 | kryhme | 15«[14 ibot 15]» : prboom |
| 22:36:52 | | OK, Onyx4. |
| 22:36:52 | Onyx4 | ibot oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot; cd buildroot; bk pull |
| 22:36:53 | hobbs | KeyserSoze: you can't really do anything with the flash with retail rom. |
| 22:36:53 | kergoth | treke: unless he uses OZ :) |
| 22:36:58 | kergoth | Onyx4: good idea |
| 22:37:00 | treke | kergoth: right |
| 22:37:10 | kergoth | hey, handhelds.org is back? |
| 22:37:11 | kryhme | 15«[14 ibot 15]» : search prboom |
| 22:37:19 | kryhme | 15«[14 ibot 15]» : find prboom |
| 22:37:33 | | prboom 2.2.3 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=333 |
| 22:37:33 | kergoth | ibot search zsi for prboom |
| 22:37:34 | TheMasterMind1 | your script is screwing it up methinkgs |
| 22:37:35 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:37:43 | kryhme | thanks kergoth |
| 22:37:45 | kryhme | lol |
| 22:37:57 | KeyserSoze | i guess i need to figure out the deal with what works in the SD slot, before I buy memory. |
| 22:38:00 | | No results were found searching ZSI for 'sex'. |
| 22:38:00 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot search zsi for sex |
| 22:38:04 | TheMasterMind1 | damn. |
| 22:38:08 | KeyserSoze | SD uses a proprietary driver, correct? |
| 22:38:11 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 22:38:27 | hobbs | kryhme: ipk and wads are both on zauruszone.com/feed, "prboom" and "doomdemo" |
| 22:38:48 | KeyserSoze | so if you plan to use OZ, you ought to get the SD driver out before you reflash your ROM. |
| 22:38:50 | TheMasterMind1 | has his doom1.wad :d |
| 22:38:57 | TheMasterMind1 | KeyserSoze: no, its included in o |
| 22:38:58 | TheMasterMind1 | z |
| 22:39:04 | KeyserSoze | oh, okay. |
| 22:39:12 | KeyserSoze | starts to write this stuff down :) |
| 22:39:24 | kryhme | thanks hobbs ..hey, by the way, i forget who i was talking with about the ethereal port to the zaurus... i checked that developer contest, and it looked like someone had gotten it done, but i don't think anyone released it |
| 22:39:54 | hobbs | kryhme: wasn't me. sounds nifty, though. |
| 22:40:10 | hobbs | I really want to go OZ, but I'm officially broke, now. |
| 22:40:23 | KeyserSoze | cool, ethereal on the Z. |
| 22:40:26 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:40:31 | KeyserSoze | yet another reason to have one. |
| 22:40:32 | TheMasterMind1 | being broke = no oz? |
| 22:40:46 | hobbs | TheMasterMind1: being broke = no CF |
| 22:40:51 | TheMasterMind1 | ahok |
| 22:40:52 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 22:41:36 | KeyserSoze | now, what's the slower type of flash that works in a SD slot? smartmedia? |
| 22:41:49 | kryhme | if you do a search for ethereal zaurus on google, some guy has a page talking about ethereal on the Z ... and he has screenshots, but he says he's never tried it because he doesn't have a Z... |
| 22:41:54 | badalex1 | KeyserSoze: Multimedia |
| 22:41:58 | Bala | mmc |
| 22:42:00 | KeyserSoze | thx. |
| 22:42:07 | kryhme | microsoft managment console |
| 22:42:09 | hobbs | KeyserSoze: don't I wish. |
| 22:42:49 | kryhme | is the plural of zaurus, zaurii ? |
| 22:42:51 | hobbs | the Z is nifty, I just hope it gets the apps it deserves. I might help a little, but I've never been an apps guy. And there are enough websites, I think. |
| 22:43:04 | KeyserSoze | oops, meant to say etheral is another reason to have a Z, not being broke :) |
| 22:43:14 | Bovine | tethereal should be able to be built for the Z |
| 22:43:30 | kryhme | you would think |
| 22:43:31 | hobbs | kryhme: I think it's zaurus. :) |
| 22:43:34 | Bovine | not sure if GTK has been ported (I'd imagine that would be hard?) |
| 22:44:06 | Onyx4 | ok I've got my buildroot setup with bk |
| 22:44:10 | treke | Bovine: you can run GTK in X on the zaurus. Hard would be putting it mildly to display GTK apps in Qtopia |
| 22:44:14 | Onyx4 | wasn't too hard :) |
| 22:44:22 | hobbs | Bovine: It's available for ipaq, which leads me to believe that a zaurus with X should also be able to do it. |
| 22:44:27 | KeyserSoze | -i is the correct nominitive plural of a Latin noun ending in -us |
| 22:44:39 | kryhme | i haven't had a chance to set up an environment so i can compile on my Z yet ... that's one of my next things to do ... |
| 22:44:48 | kryhme | is that hard to do? |
| 22:44:57 | Bovine | perhaps some one will port Ethereal to QT |
| 22:44:57 | Bovine | coughs |
| 22:45:06 | BZFlag | kryhme: not so much hard, as not worth it. |
| 22:45:13 | kryhme | QT ethereal would be the shiznat |
| 22:45:20 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: setup is easy, having it actually work is the hard part |
| 22:45:23 | kryhme | why not worth it BZ? |
| 22:45:35 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: yeah like doing commits and such? |
| 22:45:39 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 22:45:41 | BZFlag | not much ram on the Z and most compiles would like to have ram. |
| 22:45:47 | TheMasterMind1 | like, it doesn't work cuz kergoth borked it |
| 22:45:56 | Onyx4 | heh |
| 22:46:00 | kryhme | i was only thinking of using it to compile programs that i write |
| 22:46:04 | BZFlag | cross compiling is faster and produces better code cause the optimizer has more ram to play with. |
| 22:46:06 | kryhme | like if i'm at the dentist or something |
| 22:46:19 | BZFlag | python on the Z is nice though if you need a development tool. |
| 22:46:30 | treke | kryhme: do you really want to program using the keyboard on the Z? |
| 22:46:34 | KeyserSoze | is getting a big honking SD card to use as disk, allowing all 64mb to be used as ram a possible (and/or good) thing to do? |
| 22:46:48 | kryhme | treke: if i'm not at home, it would be cool |
| 22:46:52 | BZFlag | treke: better than the keyboard on the iPAQ. oh wait, the ipaq does not have a keyboard. ;-) |
| 22:46:59 | treke | BZFlag: ha |
| 22:46:59 | Bovine | :P |
| 22:47:09 | treke | BZFlag 1 - treke 0 |
| 22:47:18 | TheMasterMind1 | <MSpin> sweet, a local TV station is doing a story on wardriving...so they want to follow me as I warwalk |
| 22:47:31 | kryhme | chmod 755 kryhme |
| 22:47:38 | BZFlag | KeyserSoze: I've done it with an IBM microdrive, but battery life sucks when you do compiles. |
| 22:47:45 | TheMasterMind1 | chmod -r 000 * |
| 22:47:49 | hobbs | I'm getting used to the keyboard. Faster if I can put it down and use two index fingers, though, instead of two thumbs. |
| 22:48:20 | hobbs | BZFlag: my batteries barely get me through a school day. If there's anything I miss about my palm, it's the battery life. :) |
| 22:48:22 | TheMasterMind1 | thumbs is easier |
| 22:48:27 | KeyserSoze | BZFlag: I hear the microdrive gets to hot to use in a zaurus, something like 70C. hopefully a flash card will use less juice, too. |
| 22:48:30 | BZFlag | I installed debian-arm on a udrive and ran X and compiles etc using a swap partition. |
| 22:48:48 | hobbs | that and DateBk5 and ShadowPlan. <superEvilGrin> |
| 22:48:56 | Onyx4 | what's all this SCCS stuff? |
| 22:49:02 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno |
| 22:49:02 | BZFlag | recalls that actually that was on an iPAQ, but it should work on a Z too. |
| 22:49:05 | TheMasterMind1 | some bk crap |
| 22:49:12 | Onyx4 | ah |
| 22:49:12 | KeyserSoze | BZFlag: how much disk space did it take up? would it fit on a 128mb flash? |
| 22:49:25 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 22:49:28 | TheMasterMind1 | get the 512meg sd |
| 22:49:29 | kryhme | 15«[14 ibot 15]» : busybox |
| 22:49:30 | hobbs | Onyx4: the behind-the-scenes. Don't worry, it's getting your files. :) |
| 22:49:39 | KeyserSoze | didn't know there was a 512mb sd. |
| 22:49:45 | BZFlag | KeyserSoze: I've had a udrive in my Z many times. it runs hot if it's used a lot, but seems fine for playing divx clips off. ;-) |
| 22:49:48 | kryhme | 15«[14 ibot 15]» : what is busybox |
| 22:49:52 | Onyx4 | mmm strange I don't find any files except for those SCCS directories |
| 22:50:02 | hobbs | last time I compiled X, the source tree grew to as large as a gig. But I'm guessing that this version is trimmed down. |
| 22:50:03 | kryhme | i can't use that damn bot |
| 22:50:05 | BZFlag | kryhme: your colors are making ibot ignore you. |
| 22:50:06 | badalex1 | kryhme: busybox |
| 22:50:08 | hobbs | Onyx4: did you interrupt the clone? |
| 22:50:09 | badalex1 | err |
| 22:50:12 | Onyx4 | bk pull says nothing to pull from |
| 22:50:14 | | busybox is at http://www.busybox.net It compiles with no trouble on a skiff |
| 22:50:14 | badalex1 | ibot busybox |
| 22:50:14 | kryhme | it's this damn script |
| 22:50:21 | Onyx4 | hobbs: nope the clone worked I thing |
| 22:50:25 | kryhme | what is busybox |
| 22:50:31 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: do bk get also |
| 22:50:33 | kryhme | i see you guys talking about it a lot |
| 22:50:46 | BZFlag | KeyserSoze: not with X etc. Though if you started with Intimate, perhaps. |
| 22:50:52 | darienm|away | its a whole ton of unix commands crammed into a single binary |
| 22:50:52 | Onyx4 | ok now it put the files into only the main root |
| 22:50:53 | hobbs | kryhme: A ton of unix utilities rolled into one binary. |
| 22:51:00 | Onyx4 | so how do I "bk get everything" |
| 22:51:02 | darienm|away | haha hobbs |
| 22:51:24 | hobbs | crammed is more appropriate. |
| 22:51:27 | | okay, BZFlag. |
| 22:51:27 | BZFlag | ibot busybox is also a single binary that replaces some 70 linux commands. things from ls to modprobe to vi to ... |
| 22:51:46 | kryhme | nice |
| 22:52:05 | hobbs | I like how infobots are always so subservient. :) |
| 22:52:19 | | hobbs is nothing but a beef-witted ass-full of evil slurpee-backwash. |
| 22:52:19 | BZFlag | ibot: insult hobbs |
| 22:52:22 | | ibot is nothing but a saucyspleened stack of imp-bladdereddle-headed seagull puke. |
| 22:52:22 | Bovine | ibot insult ibot |
| 22:52:23 | Onyx4 | so how do I "bk get everything" |
| 22:52:57 | BZFlag | new release of busybox today. 0.60.4 |
| 22:53:57 | ljp | http://llornkcor.com/screenshots/op2_landscape.png |
| 22:54:28 | nishi | HI ppl |
| 22:54:36 | KeyserSoze | pricewatch only has SD cards up to 256MB, and they are $134. Don't think I'd want a 512MB then, it'd probably be $200+ |
| 22:54:37 | hobbs | ljp: that's all, like, leet. now if they would only put the keyboard on the right side... |
| 22:54:49 | BZFlag | ljp: two batteries? |
| 22:55:11 | hobbs | that reminds me. Why does the battery reporting suck so horribly? :) |
| 22:55:11 | BZFlag | hobbs: like the vercel? oh yeah, that has not shipped yet. =( |
| 22:55:17 | ljp | heh. not thats opie on the desktop with both ipaq and zaurus battery applets |
| 22:55:24 | kryhme | hey, what happens when you install a program on a CF card and then you take out the CF card and try and run the program... does it just not run, do you get an error message or does it crash anything? |
| 22:55:50 | nishi | just wondering if anyone has tried those devices which take input on a notepad and then transfer those notes to the pda (zaurus) |
| 22:56:12 | BZFlag | kryhme: just does not run. and most will loose the icon if you restart qtopia without the cf |
| 22:57:19 | hobbs | has anyone made a usb cable, like the usb cradle, but without the cradle, so that you can be using usbdnet but still have your keyboard? |
| 22:59:47 | KeyserSoze | SD prices: 256MB = $134, 128MB = $69, 64MB = $40. Not as cheap as CF cards, but I'll need the CF slot for a NIC... |
| 22:59:48 | kryhme | anyone ever try Quake? |
| 22:59:53 | BZFlag | hobbs: not that I've seen, but it should not be too tough to add a usb cable to the serial cable connector. oh, wait, you can't use the keyboard with that either. |
| 22:59:57 | KeyserSoze | sure. it's a fun game. |
| 23:00:05 | kryhme | isn't it slow on the Z |
| 23:00:11 | KeyserSoze | never tried in on the Z :) |
| 23:00:18 | kryhme | ah |
| 23:00:32 | kryhme | i see in the comment on zsi that it's probably pretty slow |
| 23:00:40 | KeyserSoze | quake I? |
| 23:00:46 | kryhme | yeah |
| 23:00:48 | hobbs | yeah. |
| 23:00:52 | BZFlag | kryhme: I've done quake on the ipaq (same cpu) but it's horribly slow. it's all floating point and float on the arm sucks |
| 23:00:54 | kryhme | 15«[14 ibot 15]» : search zsi for quake |
| 23:01:00 | hobbs | ooh. I forgot about float. |
| 23:01:02 | kryhme | 15«[14 ibot 15]» : hates me |
| 23:01:02 | KeyserSoze | huh, thought that wouldn't be too bad. |
| 23:01:09 | KeyserSoze | I forgot about float, too. |
| 23:01:17 | BZFlag | it gets about .7 fps |
| 23:01:21 | KeyserSoze | eek! |
| 23:01:35 | BZFlag | yes, that's .7, not 7 |
| 23:01:37 | | oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot; cd buildroot; bk pull |
| 23:01:37 | Onyx4 | ibot: oz bk |
| 23:02:29 | Onyx4 | I wonder If I need to specify a parent name like bk clone URL myname |
| 23:02:44 | Onyx4 | cause I tried it with the demo bk and it worked, not with oz |
| 23:02:59 | Onyx4 | but in their example they specify a parent name |
| 23:03:27 | hobbs | "If <to> is not specified then the basename of the <from> is the implied destination." --bk help clone |
| 23:03:59 | Onyx4 | mmm still no files shows up weird |
| 23:04:20 | mjn3 | BZFlag: don't know if you saw. I posted some mem stats on ramfs vs tmpfs earlier |
| 23:05:21 | nishi | anybody using Cisco LEAP here ? |
| 23:05:29 | Xentac | is back (gone 09:48:06) |
| 23:05:46 | nishi | just got off the phone with Symbol Technologies ... |
| 23:06:08 | nishi | they have a plan to support it .... will know date etc tomorrow |
| 23:06:11 | nishi | opened a case with them |
| 23:06:12 | BZFlag | mjn3: missed em. email me? Tim@Rikers.org |
| 23:07:52 | Onyx4 | I'm using bk 2.1 should I use 2.0 ? |
| 23:10:33 | hobbs | lemme try this. |
| 23:11:26 | kryhme | fuck, i just erased almost everything in my ~ directory |
| 23:11:32 | kryhme | is that real bad |
| 23:11:33 | kryhme | ? |
| 23:11:39 | kryhme | cause it seems to work ok |
| 23:11:59 | Xentac | kryhme: well... it won't work next time you reboot |
| 23:12:05 | kryhme | i just rebooted |
| 23:12:12 | kryhme | and it works |
| 23:12:19 | kryhme | lol |
| 23:12:26 | hobbs | /home is most of the install, really. |
| 23:12:26 | kryhme | should i flash it anyway? |
| 23:12:45 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: what's not working? |
| 23:12:50 | kryhme | when i rebooted it put some of the stuff back in there |
| 23:12:58 | kryhme | somehow |
| 23:12:59 | Xentac | kryhme: oh wait... this isn't OZ, is it? |
| 23:13:02 | kryhme | no |
| 23:13:05 | Onyx4 | it clones everything like all those SCCS directory,but no actual files in the real directories |
| 23:13:08 | hobbs | if you nuke /home sufficiently, does it re-untar from the fresh stuff in the rom? |
| 23:13:12 | hobbs | kryhme: that answers that. :) |
| 23:13:31 | kryhme | well it wiped my documents out |
| 23:13:44 | kryhme | and i noticed that the Applications directory seems a little bare |
| 23:14:13 | kryhme | i accidentally messed up an mv command, and that's how this happened |
| 23:14:28 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: I would have to run bkget in every directory, doesn't make sense |
| 23:14:37 | Onyx4 | looks like it didn't do it during clone |
| 23:15:35 | kryhme | did i delete anything important in my home directory that i need to replace? |
| 23:17:39 | ljp | thinks tonight is BBQ nite |
| 23:17:56 | hobbs | kryhme: well, all your data. |
| 23:18:09 | kryhme | besides stuff that i put on there myself |
| 23:18:13 | kryhme | like stuff that was pre-installed |
| 23:18:25 | hobbs | kryhme: probably the best idea is to back up anything that you still have+want, and then do a full-reset. |
| 23:18:38 | hobbs | that'll reinit /home |
| 23:18:58 | kryhme | how do you do that |
| 23:19:08 | kryhme | i've only had my Z for a little while, so i've never had to start over yet |
| 23:19:41 | badalex1|later | are the pictures for the vercel still up somewhere? |
| 23:22:49 | kryhme | 15«[14 ibot 15]» : what is full-reset |
| 23:22:59 | kryhme | damn this script |
| 23:23:09 | nishi | wonder when the Z will have the ability to make cell phone calls (albeit with an attachment) |
| 23:23:44 | kryhme | i bet you could do it with a celluar modem and a mic attachment somehow |
| 23:24:13 | nishi | hmmm .... maybe worth a try ... how does the treo achieve it ? |
| 23:24:13 | Onyx4 | hobbs or TheMasterMind1 can you try to bk clone just to see if it's just me that's getting this problem |
| 23:24:19 | Xentac | is away: dinner |
| 23:24:50 | kryhme | can anyone tell me or point me in the directon of some info on how to 'full-reset' my Z |
| 23:24:57 | | bugger all, i dunno, ivan |
| 23:24:57 | ivan | ibot: what is a stupid infobot? |
| 23:25:13 | ivan | infobots are for lame little dorks that can't write their own bot |
| 23:27:01 | kryhme | anyone .... aggggg |
| 23:27:57 | WingLover | In case there's anyone new in here since the last time I asked, is there anyone awake who has successfully compiled an Input Method plugin? |
| 23:28:52 | hobbs | Onyx4: I've been working on it for a while. |
| 23:28:58 | krezel | Hi there, I'm thinking about buying an SL-5500, any suggestions on good accessories to buy? |
| 23:29:01 | WingLover | ivan, maybe, but we've got a kick-ass fork of infobot... |
| 23:29:05 | hobbs | RocketElite is... Elite. |
| 23:29:08 | burtonator | is away: finding another place to hang... |
| 23:29:09 | umopapisdn | kryhme: Flip your Z over, position the switch on the back in the "replace battery" position. open the battery lid, use your stylus to press the REALLY tiny button near the bottom. |
| 23:29:30 | Onyx4 | krezel: SD card, CF card, 802.11 CF card, CF USB reader, digipower, case |
| 23:29:45 | hobbs | krezel: first, lots of flash. Second, 802.11 |
| 23:29:52 | krezel | I'm getting an 802.11b |
| 23:30:07 | krezel | would it be better to get a big CF card or a big SD card, since I cant use the CF while i've got the 802.11b card in |
| 23:30:18 | Onyx4 | hobbs: you used their stable 2.0 bk version or the 2.1 stuff? |
| 23:30:23 | WingLover | Big SD card, no question |
| 23:30:33 | Neo|Work | is away: going home |
| 23:30:39 | krezel | Can the Z use the IBM Microdrives? |
| 23:30:48 | hobbs | Onyx4: 2.1.6pre5 |
| 23:31:33 | | it has been said that microdrive is http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/micro/datasheet.htm |
| 23:31:33 | badalex1|later | ibot microdrive |
| 23:31:48 | Onyx4 | hobbs: ok same here |
| 23:32:00 | krezel | theyre cool, my dad has one for his camera |
| 23:32:05 | badalex1|later | krezel: everyone syas they heat up and get hot really hot and drain the battery |
| 23:32:14 | Onyx4 | just get a good 512CF card |
| 23:32:16 | krezel | badalex1|later: probably not worth it then |
| 23:32:23 | | winglover: bugger all, i dunno |
| 23:32:23 | WingLover | ibot, flooterbuck? |
| 23:32:32 | | WingLover: i'm not following you... |
| 23:32:32 | WingLover | ibot, send al gunn to see the doctor |
| 23:32:34 | badalex1|later | krezel: probabaly |
| 23:32:35 | hobbs | Onyx4: okay, I'm seeing the same thing. |
| 23:32:43 | hobbs | Onyx4: the dir structure is there, but the files aren't. |
| 23:32:47 | Onyx4 | correct |
| 23:32:49 | krezel | What about ipsec VPN's? Has anybody set one up on the zaurus before? My school is setting up VPN access for our wifi network |
| 23:33:23 | | well, vpn is see Virtual Private Network. |
| 23:33:23 | badalex1|later | ibot vpn |
| 23:33:26 | Onyx4 | VPN is a PITA even on linux desktop, there are no good solutions that interoperate well with 3rd party stuff |
| 23:33:36 | | well, Virtual Private Network is (VPN) This is a "virtual" network constructed by connecting computers together over the Internet and encrypting their communications so that other people cannot understand the communications. The benefit is that people can connect to the LAN from anywhere on the Internet. This allows easier connectivity and lower phone bills for travelling salespeople. They just sign up with a national ISP and call local POPs from their hotels as they travel the country and easily connect back to their company's local network. Microsoft's answer to VPNs is PPTP. |
| 23:33:36 | badalex1|later | ibot Virtual Private Network |
| 23:34:18 | krezel | Onyx4: PITA? Like the kind with meat and veggies on them? |
| 23:34:27 | krezel | ah.. pain in the a$$ |
| 23:34:31 | Onyx4 | hehe |
| 23:34:35 | | Onyx4: sorry... |
| 23:34:35 | Onyx4 | ibot: PITA |
| 23:34:44 | | OK, Onyx4. |
| 23:34:44 | Onyx4 | ibot PITA is pain in the ass |
| 23:34:52 | hobbs | "(2) The term "Non-Operating" refers to the storage temperature of a microdrive. For example, sitting in the trunk of the car on a cold Minnesota morning or warmed by the rays of the Caribbean sun. The drive will begin to run once the temperature has risen to the operating specification value." |
| 23:34:52 | krezel | haha |
| 23:35:29 | krezel | Any CF card brands I should steer clear of? |
| 23:35:40 | Onyx4 | ok attention, is anyone here interested in getting a MOD serial cable for the sharp that doesn't block the keyboard, a reseller is interested in selling them for only 20$ extra the cost of the sharp cable |
| 23:35:53 | fusion94 | is away: baseball practice |
| 23:36:05 | hobbs | Onyx4: I'd prefer a USB one, but anything would be nice. :) |
| 23:36:05 | Onyx4 | so it would lie down to 70$ shipped for a nice serial cable |
| 23:36:14 | KeyserSoze | Onyx4: I didn't know a serial cable would block the KB. I guess I am interested in one that doesn't. |
| 23:36:30 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 23:36:37 | Onyx4 | he's going to setup a web page to order them |
| 23:36:39 | KeyserSoze | it's a modified regular one? |
| 23:36:48 | | well, serial cable is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/ActiveSync or mod my cable so that the keyboard opens: http://www.pellicosystems.com/demolinux/rs232mod/index.html |
| 23:36:48 | Onyx4 | ibot: serial cable |
| 23:36:52 | Onyx4 | like the last link |
| 23:36:57 | hobbs | hrm. a hunnert bucks for a 340MB microdrive. |
| 23:37:03 | Onyx4 | it's the guy from pelliconsystems itself that would see his modded cables |
| 23:37:33 | br33zy | still noting from sharp :( |
| 23:37:40 | KeyserSoze | damn. lotta work to be done, on the serial cable. |
| 23:38:26 | krezel | hobbs: where? |
| 23:38:55 | hobbs | krezel: pricewatch. lowest one was $105 before shipping. |
| 23:38:58 | krezel | Nice |
| 23:39:34 | kryhme | umopap: thanks a lot |
| 23:39:52 | krezel | Does anybody make a Compact Flash "Smart Media Reader"? |
| 23:40:23 | Onyx4 | sure |
| 23:40:27 | KeyserSoze | i have one that reads CF and "smart media" |
| 23:40:37 | Onyx4 | some make SD and CF |
| 23:40:47 | krezel | Naw I want a reader that plugs into the CF slot on the Z and reads my camera's smart media cards :) |
| 23:40:57 | KeyserSoze | oh! |
| 23:41:00 | Onyx4 | oh I saw that too |
| 23:41:10 | KeyserSoze | my stupid camera has smart media, too. |
| 23:41:15 | Onyx4 | check maybe pretec web's site |
| 23:41:28 | krezel | yeah i get the feeling that after buying the Z i wont have money for a new camera that does cf... |
| 23:41:29 | KeyserSoze | I shoulda got one that used CF, but didn't know any better at the time. |
| 23:41:51 | hobbs | KeyserSoze: same here... and it's a nice camera anyway. |
| 23:41:57 | KeyserSoze | krezel: yeah, and Z accessories aren't cheap, either. |
| 23:42:00 | Onyx4 | TheMasterMind1: ping |
| 23:42:12 | Onyx4 | I spent more on accessories then on my Z hehe |
| 23:42:54 | krezel | Any preferences on 802.11b cards? i'm looking at the DLink one |
| 23:43:07 | kryhme | are you talking CF? |
| 23:43:19 | Xentac | is back (gone 00:19:00) |
| 23:43:33 | kryhme | cause the d-link one and the linksys one are about the same ... both of them will block your stylus port though |
| 23:43:36 | hobbs | krezel: I've used a Linksys one and it was no problem. Don't know if that's any info, though. |
| 23:44:01 | kryhme | with the dlink one, i've seen a mod somewhere on the net where you can hack an external antenna on it |
| 23:44:11 | krezel | ooh I like that |
| 23:44:20 | KeyserSoze | is the netgear one any good? i think it was the cheapest I saw... |
| 23:44:43 | kryhme | dunno |
| 23:44:47 | kryhme | hey |
| 23:45:13 | kryhme | if anyone is checking prices .... goto shopper.cnet.com they always do a good price comparison for anything you want to buy |
| 23:45:26 | kryhme | i always check there before i buy my toys |
| 23:45:30 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: I have the netgear one... I don't have any complaints |
| 23:45:34 | KeyserSoze | i'm gonna get a wired NIC to begin with, anyway, since I don't have wireless anywhere, and don't plan to use the network very often. |
| 23:45:47 | KeyserSoze | Hawking Technology CF-686TX NIC: $50.00 |
| 23:45:50 | krezel | wireless is graat |
| 23:46:09 | krezel | Hows the battery life? |
| 23:46:09 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: do you find yourself using it much? |
| 23:46:21 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: quite a bit... most of the time when I'm at home |
| 23:46:34 | Xentac | hasn't run it for a long time continuously in |
| 23:46:51 | krezel | Well, hows the overall Z battery life |
| 23:46:52 | KeyserSoze | i mean, do you use it continously while using the Z, or just to transfer files every once in a while? |
| 23:47:02 | kryhme | Z will run 3-4 hours |
| 23:47:03 | Xentac | anyway... I'll brb... I need to restart X (what with it running since the 8th and all) |
| 23:47:10 | kryhme | with a 802.11 card hour |
| 23:47:13 | kryhme | two at best |
| 23:47:15 | jaytee | happily reboots his Z to see a cartoon penquin/dinosaur dude1 |
| 23:47:15 | krezel | kryhme: thats all? |
| 23:47:19 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: I mean that when I'm at home, I generally have it in |
| 23:47:27 | KeyserSoze | hmmm. |
| 23:47:30 | kryhme | depending on the card |
| 23:47:36 | KeyserSoze | i was hoping you'd say otherwise. |
| 23:47:41 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: why? |
| 23:47:41 | kryhme | how strong of a signal it puts out |
| 23:47:48 | KeyserSoze | because then it'd support my decision NOT to get wireless. |
| 23:47:53 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 23:47:54 | KeyserSoze | now I just have to ignore you :) |
| 23:47:58 | Xentac | sorry... but I love my wireless |
| 23:48:04 | Xentac | (quote me on that, if you like) |
| 23:48:07 | Xentac | ;o) |
| 23:48:09 | Xentac | brb |
| 23:48:10 | KeyserSoze | lol |
| 23:48:17 | jaytee | kryhme: a good trick is to pull out the wireless card when you aren't really using it |
| 23:48:34 | KeyserSoze | 802.11 a and b aren't compatible, are they? |
| 23:48:49 | kryhme | no |
| 23:48:53 | hobbs | no. different bands and all. |
| 23:48:57 | KeyserSoze | damnit. |
| 23:48:58 | [DrEvil] | when I reboot my Z I see Dr. Evil |
| 23:49:00 | kryhme | some cards will support both though |
| 23:49:06 | KeyserSoze | which is better/more prevalent? |
| 23:49:09 | hobbs | g is supposed to be able to talk to b, though, I think. (at b speeds) |
| 23:49:10 | kryhme | B |
| 23:49:21 | KeyserSoze | g? there's a g?!? |
| 23:49:22 | kryhme | nobody really uses A much |
| 23:49:26 | kryhme | yeah, a b and g |
| 23:49:29 | hobbs | KeyserSoze: will be soon. |
| 23:49:31 | kryhme | i've also heard of X |
| 23:49:32 | KeyserSoze | which is oldest? A? |
| 23:49:37 | kryhme | b is oldest |
| 23:49:41 | kryhme | i think |
| 23:49:47 | KeyserSoze | then isn't A an improvement? |
| 23:49:59 | krezel | a is really fast, right? |
| 23:49:59 | KeyserSoze | longer range, or somesuch? |
| 23:50:01 | kryhme | yeah, supposedly |
| 23:50:06 | krezel | A is shorter range, i thought |
| 23:50:08 | KeyserSoze | doh, speed, not range. |
| 23:50:15 | kryhme | yeah |
| 23:50:17 | kryhme | faster speed |
| 23:50:22 | kryhme | i should know this shit |
| 23:50:27 | WingLover | damn inputmethodinterface |
| 23:50:40 | KeyserSoze | b=11Mbps, a = ?? |
| 23:50:45 | ljp | earth to tux_mike. come in tux_mike. please respond.. |
| 23:51:17 | ljp | WingLover: problems? |
| 23:51:18 | KeyserSoze | ah, a = 54Mbps |
| 23:51:34 | kryhme | apparently there is also an 802.11q |
| 23:51:38 | hobbs | KeyserSoze: yeah, but it's not very widely used. And I think g is supposed to be similar speeds, but easier to use. |
| 23:52:02 | KeyserSoze | will stick to cat5 w/ RJ45. |
| 23:52:07 | Onyx4 | 802.11b is what everyone has |
| 23:52:24 | Xentac | strange... I went to shut down X... and it froze... |
| 23:52:39 | WingLover | ljp, looks like my distro of the development tools didn't come with the right header files for compiling input methods |
| 23:53:13 | ljp | hmmm.. where'd yo uget it? |
| 23:53:27 | kennyj449 | If I try to install anything onto my SD card from the command-line ipkg, I don't get the symlinks installed that make any of it normally usable... yet the package manager works fine |
| 23:53:46 | WingLover | ljp, I installed the ones listed here: |
| 23:53:46 | Onyx4 | kennyj449: this is normal, the feature is not implemented yet in the cmdline tool |
| 23:53:49 | WingLover | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/linux_compiler_setup_howto.shtml |
| 23:53:56 | kennyj449 | dammit |
| 23:54:02 | Onyx4 | kennyj449: oipkg , calls the ipkg cmdline tool then does the symlinks |
| 23:54:08 | kennyj449 | ahhh |
| 23:54:20 | kennyj449 | figures |
| 23:54:20 | krezel | does the zaurus come with any sort of battery charger other than the cradle? |
| 23:54:34 | WingLover | ljp, I get this: |
| 23:54:37 | WingLover | [awh@urd ui]$ make |
| 23:54:37 | WingLover | make: *** No rule to make target `/opt/Qtopia/sharp/taskbar/inputmethodinterface |
| 23:54:38 | WingLover | .h', needed by `nunomeImpl.o'. Stop. |
| 23:54:39 | hobbs | krezel: the AC adapter either plugs into the cradle or right into the Z. |
| 23:54:40 | kennyj449 | it's a smart battery IIRC, so I doubt it |
| 23:54:43 | Onyx4 | krezel: the cradle charges only if you plug the AC into it, it comes with a AC that can be used without the craddle |
| 23:54:52 | krezel | ok cool |
| 23:55:05 | Onyx4 | and you can get digipowa :) |
| 23:55:12 | | digipower is a small portable battery pack known to work with the Z that provides 3 full charges, output of 8100 is 4.8V/2700mAH DP-4 cable required http://thomas-distributing.com/dp-dps-8100.htm or 8100=4.8V and 8200=6V or has 1800 mAH AA NiH |
| 23:55:12 | Onyx4 | ibot: digipower |
| 23:55:28 | Onyx4 | 50$ |
| 23:55:37 | kennyj449 | gotta remember that... |
| 23:55:41 | hobbs | the 6V one works okay? |
| 23:55:50 | kennyj449 | useful for those Ogg binges |
| 23:55:56 | Onyx4 | mmm I heard of heating because of excees voltage |
| 23:56:07 | Onyx4 | supposed to work ok too besides that |
| 23:56:07 | kennyj449 | I hear that 6V input works for car adapters |
| 23:56:27 | krezel | Oooh thats pretty cool |
| 23:56:32 | hobbs | The guy who gave my my WAP gave me the wrong adapter for it, it wants 5V, he gave me 9... it did some really interesting things before I figgered it out. :) |
| 23:56:51 | krezel | the digipower thing, it comes with the right connectors and everything? |
| 23:56:55 | hobbs | heating, yes, but I think that it semi-cooked a few capacitors. |
| 23:57:03 | Onyx4 | from that website yes, you need the DP-4 cable |
| 23:57:09 | kennyj449 | I could probably throw together a ghetto battery pack from ni-cad batteries that add up to 6V and splice in the right kind of wire |
| 23:57:21 | Onyx4 | some people did that |
| 23:57:35 | kergoth_ | http://openzaurus.sf.net/testing/xconfig.jpg |
| 23:57:46 | hobbs | hrm. I think I have the right wire handy, actually... |
| 23:57:58 | hobbs | 4xAA or 4xAAA would do the trick. |
| 23:58:06 | kennyj449 | then again, my pants weigh enough as it it between the large keychain, leather wallet, z with leather case, cell phone, etc. |
| 23:58:24 | kennyj449 | actually I was thinking along the lines of C or D for longer life |
| 23:58:48 | hobbs | yowza. |
| 23:59:00 | kennyj449 | hell, now that I think of it, there is such a thing as a 6 volt battery |
| 23:59:04 | hobbs | AAA would definitely be silly, though, eh? |
| 23:59:07 | kennyj449 | used for remotes and cameras and stuff |
| 23:59:10 | hobbs | kennyj449: but one that's easy to recharge? |
| 23:59:16 | kennyj449 | no, likely not |
| 23:59:19 | kennyj449 | but it's worth a thought |
| 23:59:34 | kennyj449 | they're a nice size and shape for keeping in your pocket... |
| 23:59:44 | kennyj449 | a few of them wired in parallel would work nicely |
| 23:59:53 | kennyj449 | and there's got to be a varient that's chargable |
