| 00:00:53 | VerxHome_ | kergoth: Those should be defaulted into .profile methinks |
| 00:01:01 | VerxHome_ | otherwise ssh sessions don't get them |
| 00:01:10 | kergoth | VerxHome_: ? so? OZ doesnt necessarily come with opie. |
| 00:01:18 | kergoth | VerxHome_: one could use picogui or X or what have you |
| 00:01:28 | kergoth | VerxHome_: its a valid point.. but.. |
| 00:01:30 | VerxHome_ | no they couldn't |
| 00:01:38 | VerxHome_ | picogui and X suck compared to opie |
| 00:01:38 | VerxHome_ | :) |
| 00:01:44 | kergoth | bah |
| 00:01:52 | kergoth | choices are good |
| 00:01:54 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:02:28 | VerxHome_ | ok |
| 00:02:35 | VerxHome_ | 3772 available in flash for me to install things |
| 00:02:40 | VerxHome_ | gets to work filling that up |
| 00:03:01 | scanline | thinks about writitng that OZ boot menu.... |
| 00:03:14 | scanline | kergoth: is ncurses already a requirement for some other important OZ packages? |
| 00:03:15 | wembly | OZ boot menu? |
| 00:03:25 | scanline | wembly: to select a GUI on boot |
| 00:03:28 | wembly | ahhhhhh |
| 00:03:45 | wembly | one would think that would get kinda problematic. |
| 00:03:48 | kergoth | scanline: yeah its used by a number of htings |
| 00:03:50 | kergoth | wembly: how so? |
| 00:03:54 | kergoth | we need a boot menu.. |
| 00:04:03 | wembly | people going why wont xxyyzz run. etc etc etc |
| 00:04:06 | kergoth | huh? |
| 00:04:13 | kergoth | you have the boot menu only show that which is installed. |
| 00:04:15 | kergoth | easy enough |
| 00:04:17 | wembly | well why wont a picogui thing run on an opie thing.. etc |
| 00:04:25 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:04:25 | scanline | hehe |
| 00:04:30 | kergoth | who cares |
| 00:04:32 | wembly | i think itd just be easier to have a differnt initrd |
| 00:04:40 | kergoth | i will have different initrds |
| 00:04:46 | kergoth | the boot menu is for people that install more than one gui |
| 00:04:49 | scanline | wembly: some people want multiple GUIs installed |
| 00:04:51 | kergoth | I wont distribute an initrd that way |
| 00:04:52 | wembly | ahh |
| 00:05:01 | wembly | ahhhhhh |
| 00:05:03 | wembly | herm. |
| 00:05:06 | wembly | *ponders* |
| 00:05:20 | wembly | crap i forgot i what i was gonna talk to you about... |
| 00:05:30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:05:52 | wembly | herm |
| 00:05:57 | wembly | what ever happend to giFT? |
| 00:06:01 | kergoth | MSpin: I'm adapting the kismet build to accomidate the monitor change |
| 00:06:04 | kergoth | wembly: i still use giFT... |
| 00:06:08 | kergoth | i dnot know what you mean |
| 00:06:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:06:12 | wembly | i dunno |
| 00:06:18 | wembly | it lost its inital hype and just kinda flatlined. |
| 00:06:33 | kergoth | still works great for me |
| 00:06:39 | kergoth | doesnt seem flatlined |
| 00:06:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:07:35 | VerxHome | kergoth |
| 00:07:35 | TheMasterMind1 | what SD cards (128/256 meg) do you guys use? i need something that will actually work with the Z |
| 00:07:38 | VerxHome | what is /tmp on OZ? |
| 00:07:38 | kergoth | VerxHome |
| 00:07:38 | wembly | omg wtf sf.net now has doubleclick.net ads? |
| 00:07:40 | VerxHome | is it ram |
| 00:07:42 | VerxHome | or flash |
| 00:07:44 | VerxHome | or what? |
| 00:07:46 | kergoth | VerxHome: ramfs .. non persistant ramdisk |
| 00:07:53 | VerxHome | ok, good |
| 00:07:54 | VerxHome | thanks |
| 00:07:55 | scanline | wembly: slashdot too, I think |
| 00:08:00 | wembly | gezz |
| 00:08:03 | kergoth | VerxHome: as is /var, though the var directory structure is rebuilt on reboot |
| 00:08:04 | wembly | well slashdot i didnt trust |
| 00:08:08 | VerxHome | I am just used to seeing a tempfs mounted on my ipaq |
| 00:08:08 | wembly | sf.net i thought i could. |
| 00:08:20 | wembly | herm. |
| 00:08:22 | scanline | wembly: heh.. I stopped trusting them when they closed the source to sourceforge |
| 00:08:27 | wembly | mental note.. get konqueror with ssl |
| 00:08:28 | VerxHome | and by default, ipkg installs to flash, right? |
| 00:08:33 | VerxHome | just like on my ipaq |
| 00:08:34 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: they did WHAT? |
| 00:08:38 | kergoth | yup |
| 00:08:50 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: quite a while ago, they closed the source that runs sourceforge.net |
| 00:08:56 | wembly | herm.. does it even exist? |
| 00:08:58 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:08:59 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 00:09:03 | fusion94 | scanline: incorrect statement |
| 00:09:07 | scanline | hrm? |
| 00:09:08 | fusion94 | completely false |
| 00:09:12 | scanline | fusion94: how so? |
| 00:09:17 | kergoth | heheh |
| 00:09:21 | fusion94 | the code that runs sf.net is still the open version |
| 00:09:28 | fusion94 | the enterprise edition is something else |
| 00:09:31 | fusion94 | closed |
| 00:09:38 | fusion94 | but it's not powering sf.net |
| 00:09:43 | fusion94 | i should know |
| 00:09:49 | | i guess fusion94 is the wanker that wrote SourceForge |
| 00:09:49 | fusion94 | ibot: fusion94? |
| 00:09:58 | scanline | hrm.. I thought the closed versionw as running on sf.net, thanks for correcting me |
| 00:10:10 | VerxHome | anyone know how long the Z lasts on batteries with a flash CF card and an MMC card both plugged in? |
| 00:10:37 | | howtos is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 00:10:37 | Onyx4|work | ibot: howtos |
| 00:10:48 | fusion94 | scanline: heh no problem :) |
| 00:11:24 | fusion94 | scanline: alot of ppl think that....but the EE won't scale to that degree, plus it would take forever to migrate over so they stayed with the ope nversion |
| 00:11:46 | wembly | darnit. does konqueror have no ssl support? |
| 00:12:13 | VerxHome | 3768 K for apps |
| 00:12:18 | VerxHome | hopes he can install most things to CF |
| 00:12:43 | kergoth | MSpin: after altering the configs and fixing a minor compile problem, it built.. i'll get an ipk up shortly |
| 00:12:43 | treke|home | what I want to know is when the mailing lists on sf.net will fricken be searchable |
| 00:13:10 | Onyx4|work | VerxHome: I think somewhere along 2 hours |
| 00:13:14 | Onyx4|work | depending on the cpu usage |
| 00:13:25 | Onyx4|work | and light settings |
| 00:13:33 | VerxHome | ok |
| 00:13:39 | Onyx4|work | there was a web page that explained the battery usage and I can't find it anymore |
| 00:13:42 | VerxHome | so I should get quite a bit more without backlight I would think |
| 00:13:43 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: but will it build for me? |
| 00:13:49 | Onyx4|work | a lot more |
| 00:13:56 | Onyx4|work | with 1/4 backlight or off it last much longer |
| 00:14:03 | Onyx4|work | outside you don't need the light at all |
| 00:14:04 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: i dunno man, not much builds for you ;-) |
| 00:14:09 | VerxHome | oh, ok |
| 00:14:10 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: theoretically, yes |
| 00:14:11 | VerxHome | excellent |
| 00:14:17 | [DrEvil] | I need to send you the openssl log |
| 00:14:42 | kergoth | yeah go for it |
| 00:14:48 | [DrEvil] | it is a PITA trying to get rid of the version specifics from the openssl.mk |
| 00:15:12 | MSpin | kergoth: thanks |
| 00:15:21 | mrwoody | did anyone got an answer from contest@zaurus? |
| 00:15:29 | kergoth | MSpin: you want to test it out? I'll probably ahve to tweak the package further |
| 00:16:11 | MSpin | kergoth: sure |
| 00:16:14 | kergoth | MSpin: okay, its in the feed. give it a whirl. |
| 00:16:39 | [DrEvil] | the "e" in the openssl version is tricky |
| 00:16:48 | | feed is, like, a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie |
| 00:16:48 | Onyx4|work | ibot: feed |
| 00:18:10 | MSpin | kergoth: oh, yeah, it seems that the busybox tr has..issues...the code in kismet_monitor that pulls out the settings from kismet.conf b0rks the values |
| 00:19:04 | Onyx4|work | are you use the kismet_monitor card type is set to prism2_hostap? |
| 00:19:23 | MSpin | yup |
| 00:19:43 | MSpin | and kismet_monitor thinks my card is 'prism2_hostp' |
| 00:20:39 | mrwoody | where can i find ipkg-build? |
| 00:21:11 | mrwoody | is there a .deb package for it? |
| 00:21:36 | scribe | Hey guys. |
| 00:22:02 | scribe | Just returned my 128 meg SD mem card for a 64 meg mmc card and a socket bluetooth card |
| 00:22:07 | mrwoody | anyone? |
| 00:22:21 | kergoth | mrwoody: |
| 00:22:23 | TheMasterMind1 | scribe: how come |
| 00:22:23 | | ipkg-build is at http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg/util/ipkg-build |
| 00:22:23 | kergoth | ibot: ipkg-build? |
| 00:22:56 | MSpin | kergoth: ok, same thing I got with my compilation: "pcap reported netlink type 1 (EN10MB)" |
| 00:22:58 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:22:58 | scribe | TheMasterMind1: cuz there will hopefully be an opensource mmc driver for oz soon |
| 00:23:02 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth has all the answers |
| 00:23:15 | TheMasterMind1 | scribe: what are you going to do with a BT? |
| 00:23:17 | kergoth | MSpin: hm |
| 00:23:24 | MSpin | kergoth: seems to indicate that it's not in RFMON mode |
| 00:23:37 | scribe | TheMasterMind1: hopefully use it with my ericsson t68 to get online |
| 00:23:49 | kergoth | MSpin: can you put it into rf monitor mode manually with iwpriv? i mean, is it a problem with the monitor script |
| 00:24:13 | MSpin | iwpriv wlan0 monitor 1 ,right? |
| 00:24:20 | kergoth | yeah that should do it.. |
| 00:24:46 | MSpin | nope |
| 00:24:53 | kergoth | odd |
| 00:24:58 | MSpin | oh! |
| 00:24:59 | MSpin | 2 |
| 00:25:10 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:25:55 | MSpin | I'd also suggest changing logtypes in the conf file to read 'none' :) |
| 00:26:03 | kergoth | good idea |
| 00:26:11 | kergoth | so the monitor script is doing iwpriv monitor 3.. not 2.. |
| 00:26:21 | scribe | kergoth: do you know if the socket bt card works with oz? |
| 00:26:35 | kendrick2 | is about to upgrade to 2.4.19 kernel, and applied the USB patch |
| 00:26:43 | kendrick2 | i'm getting askedsomething not mentioned in the HOWTO tho: |
| 00:26:46 | kendrick2 | USBD Network Class (CONFIG_USB_USBDNET_CLASS) [0000] (NEW) |
| 00:26:52 | MSpin | yeah |
| 00:26:55 | kendrick2 | is it safe to leave it as 0000? |
| 00:27:14 | MSpin | scribe: I'm pretty sure it does |
| 00:27:37 | MSpin | it works with the sharp rom |
| 00:27:43 | kendrick2 | anyone have any idea???? |
| 00:27:45 | MSpin | and works nicely with the t68 |
| 00:27:51 | Onyx4|work | sharp-rom uses wlan-ng, don't forget that |
| 00:28:01 | scribe | MSpin: great. Thanks. I hope there are easy to use interfaces to select bt at my dialup 'modem' |
| 00:28:02 | Onyx4|work | you should try using libpcap capture with OZ if possible |
| 00:28:05 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: he's talking about BT |
| 00:28:08 | Onyx4|work | oh |
| 00:28:10 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: I *do* use pcap |
| 00:28:14 | Onyx4|work | thanks |
| 00:28:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:28:33 | Onyx4|work | I finished compiling openvpn for arm, works fine |
| 00:28:37 | kendrick2 | looks around ; sees no answer - decides he can change it later |
| 00:28:38 | kergoth | oh nice |
| 00:28:51 | kergoth | kendrick2: follow the howto, edit what it says, leave everything else alone, and it'll work |
| 00:28:57 | scanline | subscribes to openzaurus-cvslogs |
| 00:28:57 | Onyx4|work | so now I can get a vpn to my firewall thru wireless |
| 00:28:59 | fusion94 | kicks his z |
| 00:29:02 | kendrick2 | sounds good |
| 00:29:09 | | rumour has it howtos is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 00:29:09 | fusion94 | ibot: howtos |
| 00:29:12 | kendrick2 | i guess since i was using make oldconfig, i got asked explicityl |
| 00:29:24 | | rumour has it faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp or http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html |
| 00:29:24 | kendrick2 | ibot: faq |
| 00:29:26 | kendrick2 | ;) |
| 00:29:40 | kendrick2 | d'oh! they spelled "zaurus" wrong!!! |
| 00:31:31 | kendrick2 | hehe... and the JPEG on that page is named "zarururs" :) |
| 00:31:37 | kendrick2 | (i think that's directly from sharp, tho ;) ) |
| 00:32:33 | jbwiv | hey guys. I have a QWidgetStack with a QMultiLineEdit and a QMenuBar defined as a child of the QMLE. When I raiseWidget(QMLE), everything looks good, but the menubar covers the first line or so of the qmle. How can I fix this? |
| 00:33:19 | kergoth | why are you putting a qmenubar on a qmultilineedit directly? |
| 00:33:37 | jbwiv | ponders this... |
| 00:34:07 | kendrick2 | wanders to another server |
| 00:34:21 | jbwiv | kergoth: ok. let me ask this: why would I not? I thought it was a good way to group them together...i only want the menubar displayed when the qmle is displayed... |
| 00:34:40 | jbwiv | kergoth: what's the proper way? |
| 00:34:59 | kergoth | ahh gotcha.. |
| 00:35:28 | scanline | ponders giving his 5000D a 128MB memory upgrade |
| 00:35:30 | kergoth | well, i personally, would add the menubar and qmle to a qwidget, which i'd then add to the qwidgetstack, myself |
| 00:35:31 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:35:37 | ljp | needs to smack something |
| 00:35:45 | | ACTION shoots kergoth in the head. |
| 00:35:45 | ljp | ibot: shoot kergoth |
| 00:35:58 | jbwiv | kergoth: hmmm... |
| 00:36:02 | | ACTION commits suicide, leaving a great deal of blood and brains on the wall. Now you clean this up mister! |
| 00:36:02 | tux_mike | ibot shoot ibot |
| 00:36:03 | | scanline: sorry... |
| 00:36:03 | scanline | ibot: shoot Sugar |
| 00:36:46 | jbwiv | kergoth: as I have it currently, is there a way to fix it without creating an intermediate QWidget? And I assume here you mean instantiating a QWidget directly...not subclassing it? |
| 00:37:20 | kergoth | jbwiv: correct.. i dont know whether thats the problem or not, just saying how i'd do it.. :-) |
| 00:37:48 | VerxHome | scanline: If you find out how, let me know, I wanna do it too |
| 00:38:18 | scribe | What things to I need to disable to stop OZ from scanning for files on my MMC card, and automounting it on insert? |
| 00:38:19 | scanline | VerxHome: I was just reading that FAQ that mentions there are larger memory chios with the same footprint |
| 00:38:21 | jbwiv | kergoth: how do you add a widget to another widget? You mean by creating the qmle and qmenubar in the QWidget constructor while passing "this" (the QWidget object) as the parent? |
| 00:38:29 | scanline | I have a 5000D with cracked screen still, that I wouldn't mind experimenting on |
| 00:38:41 | kergoth | jbwiv: yes exactly. |
| 00:38:44 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: cracked? how'd you manage that? |
| 00:38:56 | jbwiv | kergoth: alright...I'll give it a try. |
| 00:39:00 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: in my pocket without the screen protector, and I tripped and fell on it |
| 00:39:01 | jbwiv | kergoth: thanks |
| 00:39:07 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: ick.. |
| 00:39:15 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: kergoth told me sharp would charge $300 to fix it, so I just got a 5500 |
| 00:39:31 | TheMasterMind1 | reminds himself to be careful when the Z is in his pocket |
| 00:39:49 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: I'll sell the 5000D if anyone wants it, otherwise use it for experimentation, playing music, or something else that doesn't require a touchscreen |
| 00:39:54 | MSpin | woohoo, kismet_qt lives again! |
| 00:39:57 | scanline | the LCD works, just not the digitizer |
| 00:40:12 | TheMasterMind1 | scanline: run it as a server! |
| 00:40:13 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:40:36 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: I could, I have an extra 802.11b card for it (huge-ass dlink, before I upgraded to a SMC) |
| 00:40:36 | TheMasterMind1 | or a wireless access point |
| 00:41:37 | MSpin | it's all about installing sendmail and using it as the backup mailserver:) |
| 00:41:45 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:41:51 | TheMasterMind1 | php/mysql/apache |
| 00:41:54 | MSpin | hehe |
| 00:42:02 | scanline | Run Intimate over NFS on it, and use it to serve everything! (except the NFS..) |
| 00:42:02 | TheMasterMind1 | /ssh |
| 00:42:13 | Onyx4|work | has anyone tried to compile ettercap before I do it? |
| 00:42:46 | kergoth | MSpin: great. i'll alter kismet_monitor to fix the busybox misgrep and the monitor 2 instead of monitor 3 and put up a new ipk |
| 00:43:47 | MSpin | kergoth: cool, I migth consider letting kismet_monitor do my hopping for me....I duno |
| 00:44:10 | MSpin | do you know if the latest sharp ROM supports pcap? |
| 00:44:34 | kergoth | MSpin: if you install it :-) |
| 00:44:44 | kergoth | MSpin: the oz libpcap lib would probably work fine |
| 00:44:54 | MSpin | well...does their wlan-ng support pcap? |
| 00:44:59 | Onyx4|work | yes |
| 00:45:07 | kergoth | yeah pcap isnt driver specific |
| 00:45:47 | MSpin | I thought that wlan-ng had to be patched to support the netlink device that pcap used to get 802.11 frames |
| 00:46:14 | kergoth | ahh |
| 00:46:16 | kergoth | could be |
| 00:46:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:47:18 | Onyx4|work | if they use the -pre4 and above it is already built-in support for netlink |
| 00:47:38 | jbwiv | wow...Memory Fault. Gotta love that ;) |
| 00:47:50 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: ah wonder if the ver on the sharp rom is recent enough |
| 00:47:57 | Onyx4|work | maybe not |
| 00:48:16 | MSpin | know anyone who uses kismet on the sharp rom? |
| 00:48:24 | Onyx4|work | I did |
| 00:48:28 | Onyx4|work | just use prism2 mode |
| 00:48:35 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:49:07 | MSpin | k |
| 00:49:48 | kergoth | MSpin: you said it grabbed the type wrong from kismet.conf right? |
| 00:50:07 | MSpin | yeah, it lost the 'a' |
| 00:50:21 | MSpin | it prolyl also looses a char out of 'wlan0' |
| 00:50:43 | MSpin | it seems that the busybox tr doesn't support posix char classes |
| 00:50:53 | kergoth | no :blank: eh? |
| 00:50:56 | MSpin | yeah |
| 00:50:57 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:51:10 | VerxHome | kergoth |
| 00:51:18 | kergoth | so the question is, do we tweak this script or patch busybox.. i'm going for the tweak the script on the short term, anyway |
| 00:51:19 | kergoth | VerxHome |
| 00:51:21 | VerxHome | how do I tell oipkg to look in /tmp for packages? |
| 00:51:22 | kergoth | whats up |
| 00:51:27 | kergoth | edit oipkg.conf |
| 00:51:33 | kergoth | set DocLnkDir to /tmp |
| 00:51:45 | kergoth | or use opie-confedit to change the oipkg conf |
| 00:51:47 | kergoth | whatever |
| 00:51:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:52:03 | MSpin | kergoth: does busybox use the glibc regex functions? |
| 00:52:27 | kergoth | MSpin: for what? |
| 00:52:35 | MSpin | if you know off hand... |
| 00:52:38 | MSpin | for tr |
| 00:52:38 | kergoth | MSpin: i'm sure it does, what else would it use? |
| 00:52:42 | kergoth | ahh |
| 00:52:48 | kergoth | checks |
| 00:52:52 | MSpin | they might include their own... |
| 00:52:56 | VerxHome | does the DocLnkDir go in Common, Settting_0, or Settings, or what? |
| 00:52:58 | VerxHome | which section? |
| 00:53:03 | cutm | . |
| 00:53:05 | VerxHome | guesses common |
| 00:53:09 | kergoth | VerxHome: its already there. |
| 00:53:15 | kergoth | VerxHome: or should be, if you've ran it once |
| 00:53:21 | VerxHome | it isn't there on mine |
| 00:53:23 | MSpin | if it does, I think you can turn on POSIX char classes fairly easily...let me see what I can find in the glibc manual |
| 00:53:44 | kergoth | ah yeah, cool |
| 00:53:54 | kergoth | VerxHome: well i dunno what section, cause its always in mine and i just edit it |
| 00:53:54 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:54:08 | kergoth | VerxHome: try opening a doc in oipkg via hte docs tab.. maybe that'll cause it to add it.. |
| 00:54:09 | kergoth | blah |
| 00:54:11 | kergoth | hell if i know |
| 00:54:30 | VerxHome | kergoth: Ahhh, that did it |
| 00:54:31 | VerxHome | thankya |
| 00:55:08 | VerxHome | weird |
| 00:55:13 | VerxHome | I think I just crashed oipkg |
| 00:55:14 | VerxHome | :( |
| 00:55:27 | | BZflag was last seen on #utah 6 hours, 15 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying: http://www.sllug.org/meetings/next.html <- sllug tonight. [Wed Aug 21 19:40:16 2002] |
| 00:55:27 | darienm | ibot seen BZflag |
| 00:56:38 | TheMasterMind1 | do the SD 128s actually work in the latest sharp/oz? |
| 00:56:42 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:56:57 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 00:56:57 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 00:57:41 | TheMasterMind1 | stares at his workspace 5: 4 xterms with root prompts on 4 different boxen |
| 00:58:30 | scanline | everything2 is fun... |
| 00:58:32 | jbwiv | kergoth: sorry to bother you again, but I did what you suggested and the app comes up. Now, however, the menubar displays fine, but the qmle displays as a mostly brown (due to the Qtopia theme) area with a small slot of white in the upper left hand corner. Would you happen to know what might be going on? |
| 00:58:35 | scanline | "Interestingly, but somewhat off topic, transubstantiation means that eventually the earth's entire biomass will be made out of Jesus. Assuming the 2.035*10-8 percent change stays constant, it will be (100 / 2.035*10-8) = 4.91 billion years until that happens. If the sun hasn't killed us off by that time, the environmental balance change due to all of that extra oxygen and calcium probably will." |
| 00:58:51 | kergoth | jbwiv: hmmmmm not offhand.. |
| 00:59:01 | jbwiv | kergoth: alright, thanks ;( |
| 00:59:17 | VerxHome | ok kergoth |
| 00:59:20 | jbwiv | anyone else? |
| 00:59:22 | Onyx4|work | ettercap compiles :) and probably works |
| 00:59:28 | VerxHome | looks like oipkg is now working without having to start it from the commandline |
| 00:59:30 | VerxHome | that is nice |
| 00:59:34 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:59:41 | Onyx4|work | just need to make an ipkg for it I guess |
| 00:59:47 | kergoth | its still got quirks, but its much improved |
| 00:59:48 | Onyx4|work | could be my first one :) |
| 00:59:53 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: nice |
| 01:00:13 | Onyx4|work | that's with ipkg-build right? |
| 01:00:16 | | hmmm... ipkg-build is at http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg/util/ipkg-build |
| 01:00:16 | Onyx4|work | ibot: ipkg-build |
| 01:00:39 | VerxHome | kergoth: And I was actually able to install an app to CF |
| 01:00:46 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: actually, garb the ipkg-build from the ZZ howtos instead |
| 01:00:49 | kergoth | s/garb/grab/ |
| 01:00:55 | Onyx4|work | k |
| 01:02:27 | VerxHome | if this ends up working like it appears it will |
| 01:02:40 | VerxHome | I am going to be able to junk my ipaq 3850 without much concern. . . |
| 01:02:49 | VerxHome | is really perking up at the possibilities here. . . |
| 01:03:05 | scribe | what packages do I need to install to get bluetooth support and utils? |
| 01:03:42 | kergoth | scribe: you need a bluetooth stack, like bluez.. then you can install the opie bluetooth gui tools.. from what i understand, which is very little, since i've never used BT :-) |
| 01:03:59 | Onyx4|work | for OZ, should I put stuff under /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/share or you have a convention for packages? |
| 01:04:30 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: just install it in /usr/bin/, /usr/share, etc.. |
| 01:04:34 | VerxHome | wow |
| 01:04:37 | Onyx4|work | ok |
| 01:04:39 | VerxHome | kergoth, when you get a second |
| 01:04:42 | VerxHome | I gotta tell you something |
| 01:04:43 | VerxHome | :) |
| 01:04:50 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: specifically, --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --infodir=/usr/share/info ... |
| 01:04:53 | kergoth | VerxHome: whats up |
| 01:05:05 | scribe | kergoth: thanks tons for the response, but does that mean there aren't OZ packages? |
| 01:05:18 | kergoth | scribe: not for the modules |
| 01:05:21 | VerxHome | kergoth: I installed the latest beta of UT QTReader to CF |
| 01:05:25 | kergoth | scribe: I havent built blueZ yet |
| 01:05:29 | VerxHome | I have my ebooks on MMC |
| 01:05:37 | scribe | ok, np. I'll let ya know if I get it working. |
| 01:05:38 | VerxHome | so I have the CF and MMC plugged in |
| 01:05:42 | VerxHome | and I can just run the reader |
| 01:05:43 | kergoth | VerxHome: hehe. working well? |
| 01:05:50 | VerxHome | and it starts up with the ebook from MMC |
| 01:05:53 | VerxHome | yeah, working VERY well |
| 01:05:54 | kergoth | VerxHome: sweet |
| 01:06:04 | VerxHome | "only" having 32MB of RAM may not be so bad at ALL |
| 01:06:08 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 01:06:14 | kergoth | scribe: great, thanks |
| 01:06:22 | VerxHome | although I do seem to have stalled oipkg. :( |
| 01:06:29 | VerxHome | it hit a package and is just sitting there |
| 01:06:32 | kergoth | scribe: if you get it built, give me the build commands and i'll add the ipk to the OZ feed |
| 01:06:37 | kergoth | VerxHome: odd |
| 01:06:53 | VerxHome | I can't even move the scrollbar in oipkg |
| 01:06:57 | VerxHome | is that normal? |
| 01:09:40 | | howtos is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 01:09:40 | mrwoody | ibot: howtos? |
| 01:09:56 | darienm | BZFlag !!! |
| 01:10:19 | darienm | BZFlag: I'd like to introduce you to zsibot |
| 01:12:03 | MSpin | anyone know what device the socket wlan card uses on OZ? |
| 01:12:24 | kergoth | wlan0 isnt it? |
| 01:12:29 | kergoth | shit i dont remember |
| 01:12:33 | kergoth | yawns |
| 01:12:37 | VerxHome | odd |
| 01:12:44 | Onyx4|work | eth0? |
| 01:12:46 | kergoth | sugar make me a long island |
| 01:12:46 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to kergoth. |
| 01:12:47 | VerxHome | I am unable to kill ipkg |
| 01:12:50 | VerxHome | it has hung |
| 01:12:52 | Onyx4|work | lol |
| 01:12:53 | VerxHome | and refuses to be killed |
| 01:12:56 | MSpin | do ya think the same iwpriv command wil do ti? |
| 01:13:04 | scanline | sugar make me a cappucino |
| 01:13:05 | MSpin | VerxHome: are you doing a massive update? |
| 01:13:05 | Sugar | pours some cappucino from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to scanline. |
| 01:13:50 | cutm | hmm, bzflag is nice |
| 01:14:00 | MSpin | VerxHome: oh, I've had times where ipkg would hang for ages..I think jffs2 was busy i nthe background |
| 01:14:06 | kergoth | MSpin: socket is based on orinoco.. its iwpriv monitor [channel #] |
| 01:14:14 | VerxHome | MSpin: I am installing to CF tho |
| 01:14:24 | MSpin | VerxHome: oh, ok |
| 01:14:32 | VerxHome | kergoth: Why would a kill -9 be ignored by ipkg? |
| 01:14:36 | kergoth | VerxHome: just because oipkg says its some percentage other than 100, doesnt mean its not done |
| 01:14:45 | kergoth | VerxHome: kill -9 shouldnt be ignored by anything. what state is the process? |
| 01:15:05 | VerxHome_ | 3853 root 1680 R ipkg -dest cf -force-defaults install /tmp/zipsc_latest_arm.ipk |
| 01:15:10 | MSpin | kergoth: iwpriv $DEVICE monitor 1 $CHANNEL |
| 01:15:12 | VerxHome | that is what a ps aux looks like |
| 01:15:22 | Onyx4|work | ? feed |
| 01:15:25 | | it has been said that feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie |
| 01:15:25 | Onyx4|work | ibot: feed |
| 01:15:27 | kergoth | MSpin: ah, reading the monitor script? ;-) |
| 01:15:38 | MSpin | kergoth: don't really trust the 1 tho:) |
| 01:16:03 | kergoth | heheh |
| 01:16:26 | kergoth | bbiaf |
| 01:16:47 | MSpin | I'm jsut trying to find a decent way get kismet_qt to start everything correctly on the differnt roms and cards |
| 01:19:03 | jbwiv | kergoth: following your method, would I need to have any layout managers handling those two (menubar and qmle) widgets, or would they fill the space allocated to the QWidget accordingly? |
| 01:20:22 | Onyx4|work | it might be nice to include the "buzzme" into the kismet ipk |
| 01:22:29 | BZFlag | darienm: what's zsibot for? |
| 01:23:48 | scribe | kergoth: where is the source for the kernel that you use on OZ3? And do you have any hints on getting it crosscompiled easily? |
| 01:24:12 | darienm | zsibot find calculator |
| 01:24:12 | zsibot | Amortization_calculator >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?id=46 |
| 01:24:13 | zsibot | Aricalc 1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?id=311 |
| 01:24:14 | zsibot | Camera_Assistant 0.1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?id=305 |
| 01:24:15 | zsibot | 3 of 19 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=calculator |
| 01:24:51 | scribe | zsibot find qpsword |
| 01:24:52 | zsibot | _QPSword 0.5.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?id=141 |
| 01:24:53 | BZFlag | darienm: "find" ? that's not taken? |
| 01:25:13 | BZFlag | I'd prefer "search zsi for ..." |
| 01:25:27 | scribe | :) cool. |
| 01:25:29 | VerxHome | weird |
| 01:25:32 | BZFlag | as the "search google for ..." etc. |
| 01:25:40 | VerxHome | has every app he installed using oipkg in his documents tab |
| 01:25:43 | VerxHome | wth? |
| 01:25:57 | Onyx4|work | the plugins are pretty big on ettercap , I think I'll make a seperate ipk for them |
| 01:26:04 | Onyx4|work | 2 mb |
| 01:32:21 | Onyx4|work | I wonder if this is gonna run with all those libraries |
| 01:32:21 | Onyx4|work | libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x4001f000) |
| 01:32:21 | Onyx4|work | libform.so.5 => /usr/lib/libform.so.5 (0x4002a000) |
| 01:32:21 | Onyx4|work | libncurses.so.5 => /lib/libncurses.so.5 (0x4003e000) |
| 01:32:21 | Onyx4|work | libresolv.so.2 => /lib/libresolv.so.2 (0x4008d000) |
| 01:32:21 | Onyx4|work | libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x400a6000) |
| 01:32:21 | Onyx4|work | libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x400c4000) |
| 01:32:23 | Onyx4|work | /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000) |
| 01:32:40 | MSpin | what is it? |
| 01:32:44 | Onyx4|work | ettercap |
| 01:32:48 | Onyx4|work | compiled on the cluster |
| 01:33:48 | MSpin | nifty |
| 01:34:06 | Onyx4|work | but maybe I need to build static for some of those, I need to check on the Z what it has |
| 01:34:42 | Onyx4|work | I think the ncurses won't work cause it requires a screen size larger than 80xsomething |
| 01:34:49 | Onyx4|work | but at least command line should |
| 01:35:23 | | ipkg-build is probably at http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg/util/ipkg-build |
| 01:35:23 | paolo_ | ibot: ipkg-build |
| 01:42:03 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: you dont need to staticly link for those. |
| 01:42:04 | kergoth | scribe: pull down OZ from cvs, run 'make kernel;' |
| 01:42:05 | Onyx4|work | cool they are all there? |
| 01:42:08 | kergoth | yes |
| 01:42:16 | kergoth | libform, libncurses are from ncurses |
| 01:42:18 | Onyx4|work | ok, ill try it tonight then when I get home |
| 01:42:24 | kergoth | libdl, libresolv, libpthread, libc, are all libc |
| 01:42:36 | Onyx4|work | I'm pretty sure it'll work |
| 01:42:48 | kergoth | most likely |
| 01:42:52 | Onyx4|work | unless anyone wanna try it I can send you the tarfile |
| 01:43:00 | kergoth | i left my Z at work.. |
| 01:43:00 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:43:11 | fusion94 | nice one spanky |
| 01:43:36 | kergoth | ah well, no biggie. takin it easy tonight anyway. |
| 01:43:36 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:43:46 | kergoth | udhcpc is part of busybox now? |
| 01:43:55 | kergoth | nifty |
| 01:44:51 | Onyx4|work | lol, I just stripped all the plugins for ettercap, down from 2MB to 188k :) |
| 01:45:04 | vforge37 | hey kergoth, sorry to interrupt, but I have a bug I found and I don't know whether it belongs to OZ or OPIE |
| 01:45:21 | scanline | kergoth: hrm... bash depends on ncurses? |
| 01:45:26 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 01:45:29 | vforge37 | The problem is that OPIE doesn't seem to recognize files with accented characters |
| 01:45:35 | VerxHome_ | /tmp/eligo: error while loading shared libraries: libqpe.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 01:45:45 | VerxHome | wonders why that would be |
| 01:45:57 | scanline | VerxHome: running it from the command line? |
| 01:46:03 | VerxHome | scanline: Yes, I am |
| 01:46:05 | VerxHome | from ssh |
| 01:46:15 | VerxHome | it doesn't run from the GUI |
| 01:46:19 | VerxHome | I am trying to troubleshoot why |
| 01:46:19 | vforge37 | None of the programs show the file (File Manager, Media Player, etc.), but an ls at the terminal shows it's there |
| 01:46:26 | scanline | VerxHome: IIRC the environment isn't set correctly when running it from the command line, the opie startup scripts set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to load the opie libs |
| 01:46:33 | scanline | VerxHome: so you'll have to set that manually |
| 01:46:50 | vforge37 | should I report this in the OZ bug list, or in the OPIE bug list? |
| 01:46:58 | treke|ho1e | or just att /opt/QtPalmtop to /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 01:47:15 | treke|ho1e | vforge37: might be a QT bug |
| 01:47:15 | kergoth | scanline: yes it depends on ncurses |
| 01:47:42 | kergoth | vforge37: report it to the opie bug tracker |
| 01:47:43 | vforge37 | should I check qt then treke? |
| 01:47:52 | kergoth | yeah could be qt.. |
| 01:47:54 | kergoth | didnt think about that |
| 01:47:56 | kergoth | yawns |
| 01:48:16 | vforge37 | well I think it works in QT though, but I'll have to reflash my rom to double check |
| 01:48:18 | scanline | sugar make kergoth a black coffee |
| 01:48:19 | Sugar | pours some black coffee from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to kergoth. |
| 01:48:19 | vforge37 | although, well... |
| 01:48:20 | treke|ho1e | are accented files valid Linu file names? |
| 01:48:48 | kergoth | vforge37: ? you mean qtopia not qt.. |
| 01:48:50 | vforge37 | I couldn't even download the file in QTopia because OPIE-FTP won't read it from my computer, so I can't get it on the zaurus |
| 01:48:55 | kergoth | sugar make me a long island |
| 01:48:56 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to kergoth. |
| 01:48:57 | vforge37 | yeah qtopia, sorry |
| 01:49:06 | mrwoody | are there any users in zaurus? or only root? |
| 01:49:16 | Onyx4|work | sugar make me a margarita |
| 01:49:17 | Sugar | rubs the rim of a cocktail glass with lemon or lime rind and dip in salt then shakes ingredients with ice and strain into salt rimmed glass and serves it to Onyx4|work. |
| 01:49:23 | scanline | kergoth: you already had a long island, don't want variety? :) |
| 01:49:24 | kergoth | mrwoody: everything runs as root at the moment |
| 01:49:34 | vforge37 | lemme do a little more checking on this and then I'll report it back |
| 01:49:40 | kergoth | scanline: heh. i try lots of drinks, but the long island is my staple :-) |
| 01:49:54 | mrwoody | so in the directory /home there is only the subdirectory root? (I mean usually) |
| 01:50:12 | kergoth | mrwoody: root's homedir is /root. |
| 01:50:16 | scanline | kergoth: I'm still underaged, but on my trip to Canada i tried some various alcoholic drinks and didn't like any.. so I stick to mountain dew, pepsi, and coffee |
| 01:50:28 | scanline | kergoth: didn't try a long island though |
| 01:50:56 | kergoth | scanline: ah yeah, i drink soda and cappicino a great deal.. i dont like plain coffee.. feels.. thin, and bitter. no substance.. its hard to explain. |
| 01:51:00 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:51:03 | mrwoody | kergoth: that is strange... I wanted to learn how to create an .ipkg file and I was looking at another app... this guy has some file in /home/root/ |
| 01:51:16 | kergoth | mrwoody: sharp rom has symlinks everywhere |
| 01:51:28 | kergoth | mrwoody: and in the sharp rom, / isnt writable.. /home is. |
| 01:51:35 | kergoth | mrwoody: /home is the ramdisk |
| 01:51:41 | mrwoody | kergoth: anyway which should be the "working" directory? |
| 01:51:44 | kergoth | mrwoody: OZ is more like a normal linux distribution |
| 01:51:49 | kergoth | mrwoody: hmm? |
| 01:51:54 | kergoth | 'working'/ |
| 01:51:56 | kergoth | ? |
| 01:52:06 | scanline | kergoth: I usually drink strong coffee with some cream and a lot of sugar.. but sometimes I'll drink that Starbucks stuff. On our way back from canada, gonkulator and I had frappuchinos with 4 shots of espresso.. it was probably the most wired I've ever been :) |
| 01:52:08 | MSpin | kergoth: did we ever come up with a decent way to detect which rom a program is running on? |
| 01:52:10 | mrwoody | meaning: where can i load and save file from my app? |
| 01:52:20 | mrwoody | kergoth: which one is advisable? |
| 01:52:20 | VerxHome | ok |
| 01:52:23 | VerxHome | I don't get it |
| 01:52:25 | treke|ho1e | mrwoody: $HOME/Documents |
| 01:52:29 | VerxHome | I have an app that runs from the commandline |
| 01:52:30 | kergoth | MSpin: not really.. I always planned on adding a proc entry for rom version, but I'm thinking a /etc/oz_version will do |
| 01:52:31 | VerxHome | but not from the gui |
| 01:52:32 | VerxHome | :( |
| 01:52:36 | kergoth | mrwoody: advisable for what? |
| 01:52:53 | kergoth | mrwoody: heh. follow treke's suggestion and use $HOME |
| 01:52:56 | mrwoody | kergoth: where can i load and save files from my app |
| 01:53:07 | kergoth | mrwoody: what files? |
| 01:53:18 | treke|ho1e | or better yet. use DocLnk if it makes sense |
| 01:53:22 | MSpin | kergoth: ok, for now I'll give them a drop down box |
| 01:53:22 | mrwoody | files that belongs to my app... |
| 01:53:22 | kergoth | mrwoody: qtopia has methods for dealing with files. use them. |
| 01:53:42 | treke|ho1e | ( admitidly not everything deserves a .desktop entry |
| 01:53:42 | kergoth | mrwoody: use DocLnk, as treke says |
| 01:53:43 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:53:51 | kergoth | indeed |
| 01:54:05 | mrwoody | yes i know... I just wanted to know where to put the files... suppose for istance i am writing a db |
| 01:54:16 | mrwoody | ok... I will do that |
| 01:54:21 | VerxHome | ahhh |
| 01:54:22 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 01:54:27 | VerxHome | kergoth, you know much about busybox? |
| 01:54:35 | kergoth | yeah a bit |
| 01:54:36 | kergoth | whats up |
| 01:54:49 | VerxHome | well |
| 01:55:00 | treke|ho1e | mrwoody: if it could be considered a document, use doclnk. If its just a datafile for your app, $HOME/Applications/yourapp/ |
| 01:55:01 | VerxHome | some apps seem to use /bin/bash as their shell |
| 01:55:08 | VerxHome | busybox provides ash |
| 01:55:12 | VerxHome | and links it as /bin/sh |
| 01:55:14 | kergoth | VerxHome: those apps are stupid. |
| 01:55:19 | kergoth | VerxHome: apps should be using /bin/sh. |
| 01:55:23 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: submit a bug report to the authors |
| 01:55:27 | VerxHome | I thought I would get around this by linking /bin/sh to /bin/bash |
| 01:55:27 | mrwoody | treke|ho1e: thanks a lot! |
| 01:55:39 | kergoth | VerxHome: they should only use /bin/bash if they truly use bash specific functions. |
| 01:55:41 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: Could be worse. At least they dont depend on bash and ask for sh :) |
| 01:55:42 | VerxHome | but busybox complains because it is looking for an applet of its own called bash |
| 01:55:47 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: hehe |
| 01:55:54 | VerxHome | well |
| 01:55:57 | VerxHome | it is Neo's apps |
| 01:55:58 | kergoth | VerxHome: yes, busybox uses argv[0] to determine function |
| 01:56:03 | kergoth | so pester neo |
| 01:56:06 | VerxHome | ok |
| 01:56:09 | kergoth | it shoudl be using /bin/sh |
| 01:56:18 | kergoth | as a workaround, create a shell script called /bin/bash |
| 01:56:18 | treke|ho1e | at least its someone who would change it |
| 01:56:27 | kergoth | that calls /bin/sh $* |
| 01:56:27 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:56:31 | VerxHome | I sure with ash did ctrl-r |
| 01:56:31 | kergoth | yeah |
| 01:56:34 | VerxHome | that is the ONLY thing I miss |
| 01:56:44 | VerxHome | and I miss it almost enough to go ahead and install bash |
| 01:56:45 | VerxHome | :( |
| 01:56:47 | kergoth | VerxHome: do a patch for ash to add it :-) |
| 01:56:52 | treke|ho1e | is tempted to reinstall vim |
| 01:56:56 | mrwoody | good night... |
| 01:57:07 | kergoth | VerxHome: imho its better to add functionaily to busybox that one can enable/disable than switch to big ass gnu apps when its not necessary.. |
| 01:57:07 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:57:10 | kergoth | mm vim |
| 01:57:11 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:57:26 | VerxHome | kergoth: I agree, but I don't really know enough to do it |
| 01:57:36 | scanline | hehe big ass gnu |
| 01:57:44 | VerxHome | man |
| 01:57:46 | kergoth | VerxHome: its just c.. |
| 01:57:53 | VerxHome | kergoth: Well, true |
| 01:57:54 | kergoth | :-) |
| 01:57:59 | VerxHome | I suppose I could look at what bash does |
| 01:58:03 | scanline | Busybox is pretty readable |
| 01:58:10 | kergoth | yeah it is actually |
| 01:58:18 | VerxHome | kergoth: You wanna hear something that sounds impossible? |
| 01:58:22 | VerxHome | but it is honest to god true |
| 01:58:24 | kergoth | VerxHome: sure, why not |
| 01:58:25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:58:31 | VerxHome | the Zaurus is a TON faster than the 3850 |
| 01:58:38 | kergoth | really? |
| 01:58:40 | VerxHome | I don't understand why |
| 01:58:41 | VerxHome | but yeah |
| 01:58:43 | VerxHome | TONS |
| 01:58:46 | kergoth | what proc is the 3850? |
| 01:58:47 | VerxHome | like easily double |
| 01:58:48 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: the stock rom or oz? |
| 01:58:59 | VerxHome | treke: Oz on Z compared to opie on 3850 |
| 01:59:10 | treke|ho1e | I bet I know why :) |
| 01:59:12 | VerxHome | it is easily double as fast at loading things |
| 01:59:14 | VerxHome | treke: Why? |
| 01:59:23 | treke|ho1e | $HOME being in flash and not ram |
| 01:59:41 | VerxHome | treke: Strange that that would matter SOOOOO much |
| 01:59:45 | treke|ho1e | same with third party aps |
| 01:59:49 | treke|ho1e | flash is pretty damn slow |
| 01:59:57 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: err.. home is in flash in OZ.... /root.. |
| 02:00:14 | treke|ho1e | oh wate, I thought he said oz on Z is comparable |
| 02:00:15 | VerxHome | yeah, I would think OZ is pretty darned close to familiar+opie based on what I have seen |
| 02:00:17 | kergoth | oh but he's installing to ram.. |
| 02:00:19 | treke|ho1e | no lue then |
| 02:00:25 | jbwiv | is there a class under Qpe that eases creation of Document files? In other words, stores them to a correct folder based on mime type, creates the appropriate desktop entry, etc.? |
| 02:00:31 | kergoth | i bet its app start time as running from ram instead of flash |
| 02:00:36 | treke|ho1e | jbwiv: DockLnk |
| 02:00:38 | kergoth | jbwiv: yes |
| 02:00:49 | VerxHome | kergoth: I am running apps from flash on OZ, and from CF on OZ |
| 02:00:50 | treke|ho1e | praises jbwiv |
| 02:00:51 | jbwiv | ok. thx guys |
| 02:00:57 | kergoth | VerxHome: well, they're both debian based :-) |
| 02:00:57 | VerxHome | it is tons faster than from flash on 3850 |
| 02:01:01 | jbwiv | treke|ho1e: eh? |
| 02:01:04 | kergoth | VerxHome: ah.. weird... |
| 02:01:20 | treke|ho1e | jbwiv: for not reinventing the wheel on files |
| 02:01:21 | VerxHome | uh oh |
| 02:01:28 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:01:28 | VerxHome | launched "VNC Server with Panel" |
| 02:01:31 | VerxHome | and QPE died |
| 02:01:35 | VerxHome | I have login screen |
| 02:01:36 | VerxHome | :( |
| 02:01:36 | jbwiv | treke|ho1e: lol. I'm in a bind, so I'm trying to cut corners ;) |
| 02:01:48 | kergoth | VerxHome: fbvncserver doesnt like OZ |
| 02:01:50 | treke|ho1e | wonders what the speed differences is caused by |
| 02:01:53 | kergoth | VerxHome: in case you couldnt tell |
| 02:01:54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:01:56 | kergoth | too |
| 02:01:57 | treke|ho1e | and how it can be fixed :) |
| 02:02:06 | VerxHome | heh |
| 02:02:06 | treke|ho1e | cuz I luv my 3800 |
| 02:02:09 | VerxHome | yeah, I can tell |
| 02:02:28 | treke|ho1e | except for networking with it. thats a pain |
| 02:02:40 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: how so? |
| 02:02:54 | VerxHome | USB on 3650 and 3850 dies constantly |
| 02:02:56 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: Card support has degraded since I first used it |
| 02:03:10 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: err. how so? |
| 02:04:02 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: lately been having a much harder time getting wireless cards to work, when I first started using familiar, most pcmcia cards I tried worked fine |
| 02:04:10 | kergoth | weird |
| 02:04:17 | kergoth | what chipset for the cards? |
| 02:05:26 | treke|ho1e | think two were prisms, one was a poldhu ( never got the driver to build) |
| 02:06:22 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: do you build all of oz yourself? |
| 02:06:47 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: hmm.. familiar uses the hostAP driver same as OZ for prism2/2.5 support... |
| 02:07:02 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: yeah OZ is just me, though some have contributed bits here and there.. thankfully.. |
| 02:07:14 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: course opie is where most of the work is, so i'm glad it has a team. heh |
| 02:07:42 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: I wonder how much of familiar is pulled from debian. That might have an effect on speed |
| 02:07:54 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: familiar and OZ are both highly debian based |
| 02:08:11 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: we both swipe debian source patches and all sorts of stuff |
| 02:08:11 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:08:18 | kergoth | so that shouldnt be it.. |
| 02:08:20 | kergoth | hm |
| 02:08:24 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: I mean pulled directly from debian, which seemed to happen quite a bit early on |
| 02:08:36 | kergoth | oh, like with no alteration? or..? |
| 02:08:42 | treke|ho1e | right |
| 02:08:45 | kergoth | ah |
| 02:09:05 | kergoth | still.. most of the stuff I build isnt altered really.. other than removing unnecessary bits and making things build.. and applying a patch here and there.. |
| 02:09:09 | VerxHome_ | Removing package zaurus-fbvncserver...Hangup |
| 02:09:11 | kergoth | hrm |
| 02:09:21 | VerxHome | what does Hangup mean? |
| 02:09:29 | VerxHome | does fbvncserver hate OZ that much? |
| 02:09:33 | VerxHome | I can't even uninstall it? |
| 02:09:40 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: I'm thinking that something might be compiled against the wrong type of cpu ( assuming there actually is a speed difference) |
| 02:09:55 | kergoth | ah that could be |
| 02:10:02 | Onyx4|work | did it work verx to use it? |
| 02:10:08 | Onyx4|work | I didn't install vnc yet |
| 02:10:12 | kergoth | VerxHome: i dunno, i've never tried it myself.. i'll build a fbvncserver for OZ package soon. |
| 02:10:18 | VerxHome | k |
| 02:10:20 | VerxHome | heh |
| 02:10:21 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: wait for a new package :-) |
| 02:10:25 | VerxHome | I can't even uninstall this thing |
| 02:10:26 | Onyx4|work | ok that'd be better |
| 02:10:26 | VerxHome | :( |
| 02:10:36 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: OZ is built as just arm-linux .. no cpu specific optimizations |
| 02:10:45 | treke|ho1e | hmm. |
| 02:10:46 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: i could probalby speed things up a bit going to armv4l.. |
| 02:10:50 | kergoth | hm |
| 02:10:59 | treke|ho1e | might not be a bad idea |
| 02:11:17 | kergoth | for most people that wouldnt be good..but for OZ, since everything is built from source anyway, why not |
| 02:12:57 | scanline | I love buildroot |
| 02:13:07 | kergoth | buildroot saves a lot of time |
| 02:13:14 | kergoth | OZ would be a bitch to manage on my own without it |
| 02:13:14 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:13:17 | scanline | So much better than trying to keep track of a pile of old binaries like I did for my old Helio distro :) |
| 02:13:25 | kergoth | yeah exactly |
| 02:13:39 | kergoth | that reminds me, I need to dig into nick's autobuilder source |
| 02:13:48 | kergoth | see if i can assist those guys on the familiar autobuilder |
| 02:14:19 | Onyx4|work | anybody using the digipower 8200 here? |
| 02:14:45 | Onyx4|work | im worried about the 6v output versus a clean 5v for the zaurus |
| 02:14:49 | Onyx4|work | it's a battery pack |
| 02:15:20 | scanline | the Z probably re-regulates the input anyway |
| 02:15:34 | KhensU | somebody has one. forget who. |
| 02:15:36 | scanline | most of it runs on 3.3v |
| 02:15:53 | Onyx4|work | k cause I heard someone says it may have fried their wireless card |
| 02:16:03 | kergoth | KhensU: cloudchaser uses it |
| 02:16:05 | scanline | I doubt it.. CF is 3.3v |
| 02:16:14 | KhensU | ya that's who |
| 02:16:17 | Onyx4|work | could have been just a bad CF card maybe too |
| 02:16:53 | Onyx4|work | bzflag are you the author of bzflag? |
| 02:17:02 | BZFlag | Onyx4: maintainer, yeah. |
| 02:17:11 | Onyx4|work | oh cool :) I use it on sgi from time to time |
| 02:17:13 | | you are TimRiker, CTO of Embedix, Inc. (Lineo) and the maintainer of the 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interruptions. |
| 02:17:13 | BZFlag | ibot bzflag |
| 02:17:52 | VerxHome | can anyone tell me how to tell ipkg a package is no longer installed? I had to manually remove a package |
| 02:18:02 | BZFlag | Onyx4: check your version and update. ;-) got one with game list support anyway? |
| 02:18:35 | kergoth | VerxHome: edit /usr/lib/ipkg/status |
| 02:18:40 | BZFlag | VerxHome: hmm. I think there is an ipkg.status or .list or some such that has the packages in it. |
| 02:18:51 | BZFlag | ah, kergoth got it. |
| 02:19:02 | kergoth | :-) |
| 02:19:20 | VerxHome | BZFlag: So you are CTO of Embedix eh? |
| 02:19:24 | VerxHome | cool |
| 02:19:25 | VerxHome | :) |
| 02:19:33 | kergoth | s/Embedix/Lineo/; |
| 02:19:35 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:19:40 | scanline | BZFlag: on our trip to visit Xentac in Canada, he called it bee-zed-flag :) |
| 02:19:41 | kergoth | ah |
| 02:19:45 | kergoth | okay |
| 02:19:47 | kergoth | i need a drink |
| 02:19:49 | kergoth | brb |
| 02:19:50 | Onyx4|work | BZFlag: nah we use it internally on multicast here :) |
| 02:22:13 | BZFlag | Onyx4|work: whatever floats your boat. the new versions have more features too. flags on buildings world files, larger display area, etc. |
| 02:22:20 | BZFlag | VerxHome: yepper. |
| 02:22:29 | Onyx4|work | ok I might check it out |
| 02:22:48 | mrwoody | is there a way to set xyz as the default directory for an application? |
| 02:22:49 | BZFlag | scanline: heh. fine by me. ;-) |
| 02:23:19 | BZFlag | mrwoody: (cd xyz;application) |
| 02:23:36 | mrwoody | where can i put that? inside a source? |
| 02:23:52 | mrwoody | or whereelse? |
| 02:24:01 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 02:24:11 | kergoth | mrwoody: i'm curious as to just what you mean by 'default directory' |
| 02:24:12 | VerxHome | where can I get a proper libsdl for the Z other than eon games |
| 02:24:14 | kergoth | drinks his long island |
| 02:24:22 | VerxHome | I got one once upon a time, but I cannot find it now |
| 02:24:26 | kergoth | VerxHome: iirc the prboom feed |
| 02:24:31 | BZFlag | what are you running? you could just put a shell script in /usr/local/bin that did #!/bin/sh cd /path/xyz exec /usr/bin/application |
| 02:24:41 | mrwoody | kergoth: i mean for stuff like load() or save() |
| 02:25:03 | kergoth | mrwoody: ? you're not going to use the documents system for handling your documents? |
| 02:25:22 | mrwoody | kergoth: what do you mean? |
| 02:25:32 | kergoth | mrwoody: you're doing a qtopia app right? |
| 02:25:41 | mrwoody | yes |
| 02:25:46 | kergoth | mrwoody: read the qtopia documentation. particularly the FileManager and FileSelector classes |
| 02:26:03 | mrwoody | ok i will |
| 02:26:28 | mrwoody | but at the moment i am not using those classes? |
| 02:26:38 | mrwoody | i am just using qfile.h |
| 02:27:00 | treke|ho1e | mrwoody: specifiy the path to th file when you open it |
| 02:27:42 | mrwoody | btw how can i use $HOME/xyz to create an .ipk file? |
| 02:29:13 | BZFlag | you mean including the $HOME/xyz in the ipk ? bad idea. |
| 02:29:30 | BZFlag | the app should check for xyz on startup and create it if it does not exist. |
| 02:29:30 | mrwoody | so isn't it better, just to use something like /home/root? |
| 02:29:42 | BZFlag | wrap it in a shell script if you need to. |
| 02:30:06 | BZFlag | packages should never include files that need to be in the user's home directory. |
| 02:31:05 | BZFlag | on full systems, there would be a /etc/skel/ that those files/directories could go to, but even that is a bad idea as the home directories might be created on other hosts and nfs mounted etc. |
| 02:31:30 | BZFlag | if apps need stuff in $HOME they best be prepared to create it on startup. |
| 02:31:40 | mrwoody | ok... thanks |
| 02:31:57 | akk | Is there a way to install a package from the command line? |
| 02:32:02 | treke|ho1e | akk: ipkg install |
| 02:32:28 | akk | Thanks! My package isn't installing to /home/root/Applications and I need to find out why. |
| 02:32:37 | BZFlag | on the Z ipkg is a bit wierd cause it handles the cf/sd and so command line did not work quite right for me. |
| 02:33:15 | kergoth | BZFlag: i petitioned the familiar folks to add a 'symlink to the root destination' function for the cmdline ipkg.. so one could install to cf/sd easily wihtout using the GUI |
| 02:33:15 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:33:21 | kergoth | damnit |
| 02:33:24 | BZFlag | should be a faq someplace as to how to work around that, but I don't know of one. |
| 02:33:28 | kergoth | i screwed up the mix on that long island |
| 02:33:45 | kergoth | its so delicate, even slightly off and it tastes all wrong. grr |
| 02:33:57 | BZFlag | kergoth: that would be a Good Thing. I plan to add it if they don't get to it. |
| 02:34:16 | BZFlag | I'd like to see ipkg as a suid binary with qtopia running as non-root soon. |
| 02:34:23 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:34:35 | treke|ho1e | secnds that |
| 02:34:43 | kergoth | I'll probably release the next OZ that way. with the groups setup right, and opie-login installed perhaps |
| 02:34:44 | kergoth | hrm |
| 02:34:51 | BZFlag | are any opie folks working on that? |
| 02:34:58 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:35:09 | BZFlag | using the .c ipkg then? |
| 02:35:12 | kergoth | apparently familiar 0.6 with opie will run as nonroot |
| 02:35:13 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:35:28 | kergoth | ipkg/C is still .. quirky.. but they're getting there. it supports Conflicts now.. |
| 02:35:33 | treke|ho1e | how are they going to handle permissions, make the touchscreen world writeable? |
| 02:35:33 | BZFlag | cool. I'll have to check that out and add it to vercel/kaii/etc. |
| 02:35:47 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: same way you do on the desktop |
| 02:35:53 | BZFlag | treke|ho1e: I expect so. and dsp etc. |
| 02:35:55 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: create a touchscreen group, add the user in question to it |
| 02:36:15 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: create a sound, fb, etc group.. make the devices 664 or 775, and away you go |
| 02:36:15 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: well on my desktop, X runs as root |
| 02:36:25 | Onyx4|work | anyone tried to run gpsdrive on Z? |
| 02:36:40 | BZFlag | treke|ho1e: but you login as non-root, yes? |
| 02:36:48 | W|GGL|T | hrmmm...blogger.com doesn't like galeon or any other linux browser |
| 02:36:48 | treke|ho1e | BZFlag: yes |
| 02:36:49 | W|GGL|T | crap |
| 02:37:07 | VerxHome | hey treke |
| 02:37:14 | VerxHome | I have had my Z plugged in for HOURS |
| 02:37:19 | VerxHome | the battery light is still lit tho |
| 02:37:23 | BZFlag | treke|ho1e: I expect qtopia will run everything non-root but there are open issues vis syncing etc. |
| 02:37:27 | VerxHome | doesn't it go off when it is fully charged? |
| 02:37:37 | kergoth | yeah syncing is definately a concern |
| 02:37:41 | BZFlag | ipaq blinks when charging iirc |
| 02:37:51 | kergoth | VerxHome: yes it does |
| 02:38:06 | VerxHome | how long does it take to fully charge then? |
| 02:38:13 | kergoth | VerxHome: it'll take a while at first. it needs to fully charge the main battery, which in turn charges the backup |
| 02:38:22 | kergoth | VerxHome: well, you manual said 24hours right? |
| 02:38:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:38:41 | treke|ho1e | VerxHome: hey, ipaq takes a while to charge also :) |
| 02:38:57 | kergoth | what the hell was I thinking deciding to rewrite digi's linux serial drivers? |
| 02:39:02 | kergoth | what a pain |
| 02:39:15 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: you were thinking it would be better than supporting crap drivers? |
| 02:39:21 | Onyx4|work | when I first got my Z, It took about 3 hours to charge, but I still let it plugged in for 24 hours just to be sure, cause that's what they said in the manuals |
| 02:39:23 | kergoth | yeah, that about covers it |
| 02:39:23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:39:59 | BZFlag | ipaq will charge faster if it's off or suspended. |
| 02:40:01 | VerxHome | Onyx4: So in 3 hours, your battery light turned off? |
| 02:40:24 | BZFlag | hmm.. actually suspended. it won't charge if it's switched off. |
| 02:40:36 | Onyx4|work | VerxHome: yes, but I also used the zaurus at the same time too |
| 02:40:42 | akk | Mine took about 3 hours the first day. |
| 02:41:23 | Onyx4|work | but maybe it's not good to let the battery discharge the first day, you know what I mean.. you let it stay plugged in for 24 hours |
| 02:41:27 | Onyx4|work | that's a guess :) |
| 02:41:49 | VerxHome | mine has been charging for about 6 hours |
| 02:41:54 | VerxHome | the light is still on |
| 02:42:05 | Onyx4|work | that's possible |
| 02:42:24 | Onyx4|work | I wouldn't worry about it unless more than 12 hours |
| 02:43:39 | VerxHome | k |
| 02:44:06 | VerxHome | kergoth: At bootup, it looks like a busybox call to fsck.minix is failing |
| 02:44:11 | VerxHome | dunno if that matters or not. . . |
| 02:44:54 | kergoth | yeah i know |
| 02:45:03 | kergoth | you'll note its already in the OZ bug tracking system on SF |
| 02:45:05 | kergoth | :-) |
| 02:45:31 | Onyx4|work | so when those kinds of bugs gets fixed, do you just get the new oz-base package and update, or it's better to reflash? |
| 02:45:45 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: you neednt ever reflash again, if you dont want to. |
| 02:45:54 | Onyx4|work | cool I like that |
| 02:46:00 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: and i fix the bugs in various packaages, whichever is appropriate, not just oz-base. |
| 02:46:23 | Onyx4|work | right, those I was already planning on upgrading by hand, but I wasn't sure about the base system |
| 02:46:24 | jbwiv | I know Qt does regular expressions. However, wondering if there's anything that provides sed/perl 's/something/somethingelse/' functionality? |
| 02:46:26 | treke|ho1e | anyone had problems with the QtopiaSDK segfaulting when you run apps? |
| 02:46:39 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: ipkg update; ipkg upgrade; works just fine, if you have network connectivity. |
| 02:46:44 | Onyx4|work | ok |
| 02:46:45 | treke|ho1e | jbwiv: QString and QReg can be used to do that |
| 02:47:07 | codemnky | yawns |
| 02:47:09 | kergoth | jbwiv: QString is probably easiest, unless you really need regex functionality.. the qt regexp is a bit limited in 2.3.2 |
| 02:47:11 | jbwiv | treke|ho1e: ok, thx man... |
| 02:47:14 | kergoth | hey codemnky |
| 02:47:29 | codemnky | yo, openZ has been treating me well |
| 02:47:35 | kergoth | glad to hear it |
| 02:47:40 | ProTeus4 | Hello Zaurus folks, I have been considering dumping my Handspring for one of these, but I still had a few questions I hoped maybe some of you could answer? |
| 02:47:41 | jbwiv | kergoth: looking to do something (perl syntax) like s/tag:(.*)/\1/g |
| 02:47:49 | jbwiv | can QString handle that? |
| 02:48:03 | treke|ho1e | QReg is really limited :) |
| 02:48:12 | treke|ho1e | I dont think thats going to work |
| 02:48:16 | kergoth | jbwiv: were i you, i'd write a parser with QString. |
| 02:48:28 | kergoth | jbwiv: since QReg sucks as treke points out |
| 02:48:30 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:48:36 | kergoth | ProTeus4: ask away |
| 02:48:38 | jbwiv | kergoth and treke|ho1e: cool, thanks again guys! |
| 02:49:43 | ProTeus4 | I am hoping that I could get one of these, a network interface (rj45) and basically have a small protable Linux Network troubleshooter for my LAN/WAN, will it work for that? |
| 02:49:55 | kergoth | yep |
| 02:49:57 | kergoth | it'll work fine |
| 02:50:10 | ProTeus4 | Does it interact with the Palm OS at all? |
| 02:50:13 | kergoth | you have all the linux networking tools at your fingertips (short of X apps, unless you install X, which you can) |
| 02:50:22 | kergoth | you can run palm apps in emulation, but its slow |
| 02:50:29 | kergoth | you'd be better off using native tools |
| 02:50:31 | kergoth | imho |
| 02:50:54 | Onyx4|work | I think you can fetch your data from your palm over ir |
| 02:50:59 | ProTeus4 | No, I mean, can i receive contacts IR from a Palm user, that type o stuff? |
| 02:51:03 | kergoth | oh yeah |
| 02:51:05 | kergoth | that works fine |
| 02:51:51 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 02:51:52 | VerxHome | kergoth |
| 02:52:04 | VerxHome | if I have a package in /tmp (pointed to in the oipkg.conf) |
| 02:52:04 | ProTeus4 | Have any of you move from Palm to this? And whats the overall opinion? |
| 02:52:11 | VerxHome | and that package is also in the feed |
| 02:52:16 | VerxHome | will it show up in Documents? |
| 02:52:50 | Onyx4|work | I had this problem today trying to install a new opie-mediaplayer2 it would not show up once it's been installed even if I deleted it |
| 02:53:06 | Onyx4|work | but the first time it did show up there in documents |
| 02:53:14 | kergoth | VerxHome: should. note that after installing it, it now appears in feeds |
| 02:53:27 | kergoth | VerxHome: tille is fixing it so currently installed apps will show under 'status'.. |
| 02:53:46 | ProTeus4 | It also looks like I could develop my own apps (Java Apps/TCLTk), as well as scripting (standard Shell I would guess)? |
| 02:53:48 | Onyx4|work | when I check the status in ipkg, it says "uninstalled, config" which means it's still there somehow in the database |
| 02:53:58 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: dunno.. i installed opieplayer2 and it worked flawlessly |
| 02:54:24 | Onyx4|work | you use minix for fs? |
| 02:54:58 | VerxHome | I am placing .ipk files into /tmp |
| 02:55:05 | VerxHome | and then trying to install them with oipkg |
| 02:55:19 | scanline | ProTeus4: you'd prolly need to install X to do Tcl/Tk scripting |
| 02:55:34 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: for the ramdisk? yes |
| 02:55:39 | Onyx4|work | one thing you can do verx, is to restart qtopia (from the shutdown) then go into documents, and doubleclick on the .ipk |
| 02:55:55 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: files in /tmp wont appear in the Documents tab |
| 02:56:07 | Onyx4|work | did you install it from a feed/network or downloaded it to your /tmp or ramdisk? |
| 02:56:20 | NeoTron | is back (gone 19:58:11) |
| 02:56:24 | kergoth | I installed it locally |
| 02:56:49 | Onyx4|work | cause like I said b4, I had to truncate the filename , but maybe jffs2 has more limits than minix |
| 02:56:49 | ProTeus4 | How about getting it to work in a (Sync with Windows & Lotus Notes at work) and Sync with Linux (Debian) at home type of environment? |
| 02:56:55 | Onyx4|work | so I could install from /tmp prolly |
| 02:57:05 | Elkay | just got his 128MB Sandisk SD card and is trying to install the enhanced ROM from http://www.schwag.org/~crow/ after hacking Sharp's updated SD driver into it. It's kinda sorta working, but the SD seems to be unbelievably dog slow. Like, it's been untarring /home for at least 30 minutes. |
| 02:57:48 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: /tmp is ramfs |
| 02:57:54 | Elkay | Is that any sort of known behavior? Am I just an ignoramus? |
| 02:58:12 | Onyx4|work | kergoth: really? I thought it was part of the flash |
| 02:58:16 | Onyx4|work | I didn't see any symlink |
| 02:58:21 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: run 'mount' |
| 02:58:26 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: its not a symlink, its a mountpoint. |
| 02:58:30 | Onyx4|work | ah |
| 02:58:52 | NeoTron | decides to organize all of his eongames-related source |
| 02:59:11 | Onyx4|work | anyway, I could have just harlekin fix his ipk to not include such a long filename |
| 02:59:19 | Onyx4|work | otherwise it may be a problem for everyone running oz |
| 02:59:40 | Onyx4|work | cause you said there is a .lst file inside the ipk with the same long name that the oipkg expects ? |
| 02:59:46 | ProTeus4 | From the sound of what yuou guys are sayin, these are just tiny Linux boxes, if any, what do you see as the major Pitfalls? |
| 03:00:35 | Onyx4|work | ProTeus4: none :) it just rocks |
| 03:00:51 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: we can switch the ramdisk to ext2 .. |
| 03:01:12 | Onyx4|work | kergoth: maybe that would be better. |
| 03:01:21 | Onyx4|work | why did you pick minix? |
| 03:01:26 | Onyx4|work | less memory requirement? |
| 03:01:44 | scanline | What about tmpfs for the ramdisk? :) |
| 03:02:29 | jbwiv | Say I have a config file that has a number of values I'd like to store in an array of QStrings. However, to allocate the array under C++ (if I understand correctly), I have to know the number of these values, which I won't. Is the only way to allocate the array to double scan the file (i.e., first scan counts values, second reads into array that has been created based on value from first scan)? |
| 03:02:30 | ProTeus4 | Where are some good places I check out some software packages for it? |
| 03:02:37 | kergoth | scanline: hehe. you're mean |
| 03:02:45 | Onyx4|work | www.zauruszone.com |
| 03:03:03 | | feeds is probably listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds |
| 03:03:03 | DrBoB | ibot feeds |
| 03:03:05 | scanline | kergoth: seriously though, it'd be neat to have a way for th ramdisk to use only the memory that's necessary, rather than having it partitioned off at build time |
| 03:03:11 | extremis | What other HIDS are there ? !samhain && !tripwire |
| 03:03:12 | kergoth | ProTeus4: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ .. http://myzaurus.com/ .. http://zauruszone.com/.. |
| 03:03:13 | Elkay | It rocks for about two days until you discover replacement ROMs that have cool features you want, but can't get working, so you have to go back to the factory ROM and you cry. :-) |
| 03:03:24 | kergoth | scanline: we need something like tmpfs/ramfs that is persistant like mtdram .. |
| 03:03:26 | scanline | kergoth: that'd just need some magic way to have tmpfs preserved across reboots :) |
| 03:03:34 | kergoth | Elkay: thats what OZ is for |
| 03:03:37 | kergoth | scanline: yeah |
| 03:03:45 | extremis | too bad stuff doesn't just work in oz |
| 03:03:49 | extremis | like kismet |
| 03:03:52 | kergoth | kismet works flawless |
| 03:03:54 | kergoth | i threw up 2.4.6 today |
| 03:03:57 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:04:22 | extremis | well, the default install from zauruszone doesn't work in oz |
| 03:04:23 | Elkay | I keep trying OZ and it keeps hurting me. Not having vnc is just a killer. |
| 03:04:24 | scanline | envisions kergoth's makefiles puking up a rom image, which mysteriously lands on sourceforge's server |
| 03:04:31 | MarkNovak | hi |
| 03:04:36 | kergoth | extremis: yes, i knwo |
| 03:04:38 | extremis | kismet 2.4.6? |
| 03:04:42 | extremis | is it oz modified? |
| 03:04:43 | kergoth | Elkay: I'm throwing up a new fbvncserver soon |
| 03:04:43 | Onyx4|work | use the kismet from the OS feed |
| 03:04:43 | extremis | where is it? |
| 03:04:45 | MarkNovak | anyone wanna check out the new Super Markio world? |
| 03:04:49 | kergoth | extremis: its in the OZ feed. |
| 03:04:53 | Onyx4|work | s/OS/OZ |
| 03:04:54 | kergoth | extremis: wait up, i'm about to update it again |
| 03:04:55 | extremis | ok, how do I check it out? |
| 03:04:58 | ProTeus4 | Thanks all for your info, you all have been very helpful. CYa |
| 03:05:01 | scanline | MarkNovak: snes9x? |
| 03:05:08 | MarkNovak | no |
| 03:05:09 | MarkNovak | its on my site.. |
| 03:05:13 | MarkNovak | www.marknovak.com/markio.htm |
| 03:05:15 | MarkNovak | :) |
| 03:05:16 | Elkay | kergoth: Excellent. |
| 03:05:18 | kergoth | extremis: its in the feed, as i said |
| 03:05:20 | | oz3 feed is at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 03:05:20 | kergoth | ibot: oz3 feed |
| 03:05:24 | extremis | ahhh, ok |
| 03:05:30 | kergoth | extremis: but i'm about to put up a new revision, so wait a sec |
| 03:05:36 | scanline | MarkNovak: that's.... frightening |
| 03:05:39 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 03:05:40 | extremis | how do I know what feed an app is from when I'm looking in gpkg |
| 03:05:41 | ProTeus4 | can you run the snes emulator on these things? |
| 03:05:42 | MarkNovak | did it load quickly? |
| 03:05:42 | kergoth | extremis: fixed a bug in the monitor script as it relates to busybox 'tr' |
| 03:05:48 | extremis | its not a submenu from what I can tell |
| 03:05:57 | Elkay | I tried fiddling around with it earlier tonight but I ended up disabling the touch screen completely. :-/ |
| 03:06:03 | MarkNovak | scanline: did it load quickly? |
| 03:06:04 | extremis | have you seen fakeap? |
| 03:06:10 | roge99_laptop | kergoth: i had fbvncserver workin in OZ |
| 03:06:12 | kergoth | extremis: im not sure if you can.. thats a good idea... you should request that feature in the opie bugtracker |
| 03:06:20 | scanline | MarkNovak: not really considering the amount of bandwidth I have |
| 03:06:23 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: did you? people keep reporting it fails.. i've never tried.. heh |
| 03:06:33 | scanline | MarkNovak: I generally don't like flash though... |
| 03:06:33 | roge99_laptop | just needed to add in mkfifo to busybox |
| 03:06:40 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:06:45 | kergoth | lemme make sure thats in the default build |
| 03:06:49 | roge99_laptop | well it took a little doing iirc |
| 03:07:00 | kergoth | so not just ipkg install and run with it eh |
| 03:07:03 | kergoth | i'll add it to the buildroot |
| 03:07:05 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:07:07 | Elkay | You can use mknod /dev/foo p instead of mkfifo.. that's what I did, anyway. |
| 03:07:24 | DrBoB | konq/e is a buggy linux-crashing POS ...it actually can crsh Linux itself |
| 03:07:25 | jbwiv | MarkNovak: have you ever tested your site under Mozilla? it sends mine into a endless loading loop |
| 03:07:36 | MarkNovak | oh... |
| 03:07:39 | MarkNovak | right click> fast forward |
| 03:07:40 | kergoth | DrBoB: hmm? i've used it regularly with *no* problems whatsoever... |
| 03:07:44 | kergoth | DrBoB: thats odd |
| 03:07:44 | MarkNovak | or right click play |
| 03:07:51 | scanline | jbwiv: I'm using Galeon and it worked ok |
| 03:07:58 | roge99_laptop | Elkay: yea you could but the scripts called for mkfifo |
| 03:08:02 | VerxHome | kergoth: I think something very bad happened |
| 03:08:03 | jbwiv | interesting... |
| 03:08:12 | kergoth | extremis: new kismet 2.4.6 package in the feed. should work great |
| 03:08:20 | DrBoB | it keeps causing a crash on mine that forces a reboot |
| 03:08:25 | VerxHome | kergoth: By default, isn't there an /opt/QtPalmtop in OZ? |
| 03:08:29 | kergoth | extremis: dont forget to run kismet_monitor -H before running kismet itself.. or just run kismet-qt |
| 03:08:32 | kergoth | VerxHome: yes ,there is. |
| 03:08:35 | scanline | hahah... if I right click on MarkNovak's thingamajic it segfaults galeon |
| 03:08:38 | kergoth | VerxHome: its linked to /opt/Qtopia |
| 03:08:41 | VerxHome | kergoth: By default, is it a symlink? |
| 03:08:42 | Elkay | Other than that, the rc scripts are in the wrong place, and all of the scripts have minor glitches under OZ.. seemed like not a big deal, I got it running, but then my touchscreen stopped working. Even after uninstalling fbvncserver. |
| 03:08:43 | VerxHome | oh, ok |
| 03:08:49 | DrBoB | try tappimg the back icon before a page is fully loaded |
| 03:08:49 | VerxHome | that is different than opie |
| 03:08:52 | kergoth | VerxHome: since apps install to both paths.. |
| 03:08:58 | MarkNovak | say what scanline? |
| 03:08:59 | kergoth | VerxHome: i know. but it doesnt matter. heh |
| 03:09:04 | VerxHome | ok |
| 03:09:32 | scanline | MarkNovak: your flash thingy.. I right clicked it, and galeon segfaulted. Not your fault I know, but still weird |
| 03:09:35 | extremis | http://www.blackalchemy.to/Projects/fakeap/fake-ap.html |
| 03:09:40 | extremis | kergoth: port that |
| 03:09:53 | MarkNovak | definately... |
| 03:10:27 | kergoth | extremis: hah |
| 03:10:36 | kergoth | extremis: no port necessary, its probably just a crosscompile |
| 03:10:46 | extremis | kergoth: what about the driver requirement? |
| 03:10:56 | extremis | * |
| 03:10:56 | extremis | One or more Prism2/2.5/3 based 802.11b cards with the CVS version of the Host AP Driver for Intersil Prism2/2.5/3 working |
| 03:11:42 | extremis | I'll buy you a 12pack if you port it |
| 03:11:42 | kergoth | extremis: OZ uses the HostAP driver. |
| 03:11:53 | kergoth | extremis: shouldnt be a problem. i'll give it a whirl |
| 03:12:00 | extremis | WOOHAH! |
| 03:12:05 | extremis | what fun I shall have |
| 03:12:18 | kergoth | extremis: do confirm that kismet is happy and working out of the box, i want to make sure those scripts are happy after my alterations |
| 03:12:31 | | it has been said that zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi now with 'zsibot find <searchtext>' |
| 03:12:31 | MarkNovak | ibot: zsi |
| 03:12:37 | topeira | hi all |
| 03:12:44 | extremis | ok, I'll check it out now |
| 03:12:44 | MarkNovak | zsibot find opie-ftp |
| 03:12:44 | zsibot | No results were found searching ZSI for 'opie-ftp'. |
| 03:12:49 | MarkNovak | zsibot find ftp |
| 03:12:49 | zsibot | busybox_0.60.2 0.60.2 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?id=163 |
| 03:12:50 | zsibot | Explorer 1.0 >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?id=365 |
| 03:12:51 | zsibot | Highway >> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?id=268 |
| 03:12:52 | zsibot | 3 of 11 shown. See all at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=ftp |
| 03:13:21 | topeira | port what? |
| 03:13:43 | extremis | battery is dead |
| 03:13:47 | extremis | and I don't have my charger |
| 03:13:50 | treke|ho1e | ugh. qvfb over X11 sucks :) |
| 03:14:06 | kergoth | extremis: doh.. well when you do get a chance to play, let me know how it goes |
| 03:14:16 | extremis | tommorow morn |
| 03:14:23 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: ? |
| 03:14:26 | extremis | will the fakeap port be done by then? :) |
| 03:14:26 | roge99_laptop | kergoth: ill install it now |
| 03:14:41 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: cool |
| 03:15:08 | roge99_laptop | should the configs be good for a linksys out the box |
| 03:15:11 | Elkay | Gaah.. why the hell is this so slow?! |
| 03:16:13 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: yeah |
| 03:16:17 | roge99_laptop | kergoth: do i still need to run the hopper |
| 03:16:23 | topeira | anyone have an idea if Sharp will release new Zaurus versions, and if yes, when? |
| 03:16:36 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: yeah .. first do kismet_monitor -H; .. then run kismet .. or just use kismet-qt, which hops channels on its own |
| 03:16:39 | treke|ho1e | topeira: in a few months |
| 03:16:51 | roge99_laptop | ok |
| 03:16:52 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: kismet_monitor now runs the hopper if you pass it -H ... |
| 03:17:21 | topeira | treke|ho1e: where did you get that? |
| 03:17:50 | extremis | kergoth: is kismet-qt worth it? |
| 03:17:54 | extremis | last time I used it, it sucked |
| 03:17:59 | roge99_laptop | kergoth: hopper dosent work |
| 03:18:03 | kergoth | extremis: its just a qt gui for kismet. should work fine |
| 03:18:06 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: ? |
| 03:18:10 | roge99_laptop | Invalid argument |
| 03:18:11 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: kismet_monitor -H doesnt wokr? |
| 03:18:13 | kergoth | er |
| 03:18:19 | scanline | kergoth: ever feel like #zaurus is too much like your day job? ;) |
| 03:18:25 | kergoth | scanline: constantly |
| 03:18:27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:18:38 | scanline | :) |
| 03:18:44 | treke|ho1e | topeira: From JasonNJ |
| 03:19:03 | MarkNovak | hi guys |
| 03:19:27 | topeira | treke|ho1e: will it use the new Xscale processor? |
| 03:19:33 | treke|ho1e | topeira: yes |
| 03:19:56 | topeira | treke|ho1e: have any screenshots? or smth like that? |
| 03:20:03 | scanline | MarkNovak: it's kind of annoying when you /msg me for tech support... just ask here, I'm sure I'm one of the least knowledgeable people on opie apps |
| 03:20:13 | treke|ho1e | topeira: look at a current zaurus. same software more or less |
| 03:20:17 | MarkNovak | I didnt want to bogg up the room... |
| 03:20:23 | MarkNovak | do you know of opieftp? |
| 03:20:28 | scanline | MarkNovak: better the room than me :P |
| 03:20:59 | roge99_laptop | kismet_unmonitor is broke too |
| 03:21:11 | MarkNovak | do you know of opieftp? |
| 03:21:21 | kergoth | MarkNovak: dood, we heard you the first fucking time |
| 03:21:24 | roge99_laptop | that has the prism2_hostp thing workin |
| 03:21:27 | kergoth | MarkNovak: we dont need an echo |
| 03:21:32 | MarkNovak | wow you guys are friendly |
| 03:21:35 | topeira | what's the killer app that is missing in the Zaurus? |
| 03:21:36 | MarkNovak | how about a response then? |
| 03:21:37 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: thats the -2 revision right? |
| 03:21:52 | DaWorm | hrrmm |
| 03:21:55 | kergoth | MarkNovak: you'll get a response if someone feels like answering you. myself, i'm busy with other things |
| 03:21:57 | DaWorm | the zaurus itself is killer |
| 03:21:58 | roge99_laptop | letme check oipkg had it as the newest |
| 03:21:58 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 03:22:04 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: k |
| 03:22:12 | treke|ho1e | MarkNovak: you'll find you'll get a response if you dont act like an ass |
| 03:22:12 | MarkNovak | I have an FTP server running on my windows machine, and I want to connect to it through opieftp - but through the USB port |
| 03:22:16 | MarkNovak | how do I find the USB port? |
| 03:22:18 | DaWorm | just had lunch |
| 03:22:20 | roge99_laptop | errr nope |
| 03:22:22 | roge99_laptop | -1 |
| 03:22:24 | roge99_laptop | sorry |
| 03:22:25 | kergoth | ah |
| 03:22:25 | kergoth | np |
| 03:22:26 | MarkNovak | how have i acted like an ass? |
| 03:22:26 | kergoth | try -2 |
| 03:22:37 | | i guess idiot list is MarkNovak |
| 03:22:37 | scanline | ibot: idiot list? |
| 03:22:39 | kergoth | MarkNovak: you dont "find" the usb port |
| 03:22:42 | topeira | DaWorm: sure... |
| 03:22:48 | roge99_laptop | wtf |
| 03:22:48 | MarkNovak | ok |
| 03:22:51 | kergoth | MarkNovak: you ftp to the ip of the usb interface on the windows box |
| 03:22:55 | MarkNovak | right |
| 03:22:56 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: whats up? |
| 03:23:00 | MarkNovak | how do I get that address? |
| 03:23:04 | DaWorm | hey kergoth |
| 03:23:10 | kergoth | MarkNovak: what'd you set it to in yoiur network config in windows? |
| 03:23:10 | DaWorm | sup in OZ land |
| 03:23:12 | roge99_laptop | ipkg info shows -1 i do an update it says -2 is up tp date |
| 03:23:13 | kergoth | nada |
| 03:23:17 | MarkNovak | I didnt |
| 03:23:20 | kergoth | roge99_laptop: thats weird. |
| 03:23:26 | | MarkNovak: I forgot idiot list |
| 03:23:26 | MarkNovak | ibot: forget idiot list |
| 03:23:28 | kergoth | MarkNovak: then check network setup |
| 03:23:30 | roge99_laptop | slaps ipkg |
| 03:23:31 | MarkNovak | ok |
| 03:23:31 | kergoth | MarkNovak: on your Z |
| 03:23:39 | scanline | kergoth: ever thought of having a separate channel for OZ? |
| 03:23:50 | kergoth | scanline: hmm thats an idea |
| 03:23:55 | scanline | kergoth: just curious |
| 03:24:04 | kergoth | scanline: thought about it, briefly |
| 03:24:04 | MarkNovak | do I have to do anything different to my PC FTP server? |
| 03:24:05 | scanline | kergoth: might make the traffic in here easier to manage |
| 03:24:07 | DaWorm | yeah that's a good idea |
| 03:24:13 | topeira | I mean that what's missing in the Zaurus is an usb port |
| 03:24:14 | kergoth | scanline: true |
| 03:24:23 | DaWorm | at least the OZ ppl and the sharp ppl are separated |
| 03:24:30 | kergoth | topeira: it has a usb port, its just device side, not host |
| 03:24:30 | scanline | hehe |
| 03:24:45 | kergoth | DaWorm: well, i'll be in both channels, as i'm sure others will be.. but hopefully it should split the conversations ab it |
| 03:24:56 | DaWorm | hopefully |
| 03:25:24 | MarkNovak | kergoth: does 192.168.129.1 look like my USB ip? |
| 03:25:43 | kergoth | MarkNovak: if thats what it says in your network config ont eh Z, yes. that sounds about right |
| 03:25:52 | roge99_laptop | lol |
| 03:26:14 | roge99_laptop | i ejected the card and put it back in .... now its hopping channels |
| 03:26:33 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:26:41 | roge99_laptop | after i unintalled kisemet |
| 03:27:09 | MarkNovak | kergoth, do I log into the username on my Ftp server, but with the USB address? |
| 03:27:37 | MarkNovak | any port? |
| 03:27:50 | DaWorm | MarkNovak what you doin mebbe i can help you out you using sharp rom i presume? |
| 03:27:56 | kergoth | MarkNovak: i dont know what port you're running the ftp server on your windows box on. you're the one who set it up. |
| 03:28:12 | MarkNovak | yes daworm |
| 03:28:21 | DaWorm | trying to FTP to the zaurus? |
| 03:28:26 | MarkNovak | through USB yes |
| 03:28:38 | DaWorm | you changed the ip of the zaurus? |
| 03:28:42 | MarkNovak | no... |
| 03:33:19 | DaWorm | the you have to ftp to 192.168.129.201 port 4242 |
| 03:33:19 | kergoth | okay #openzaurus is open for business, and rather empty |
| 03:33:19 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:33:19 | DaWorm | login as root with no pass |
| 03:33:19 | MarkNovak | allright |
| 03:33:19 | DaWorm | you'll go directly to your home folder |
| 03:33:19 | MarkNovak | wait |
| 03:33:19 | MarkNovak | im using Z as client |
| 03:33:20 | MarkNovak | not host, is that right? |
| 03:33:20 | DaWorm | oh |
| 03:33:20 | DaWorm | you're trying to ftp to your box? |
| 03:33:20 | MarkNovak | I guess the other way would work just as well |
| 03:33:20 | DaWorm | from the zaurus? |
| 03:33:20 | MarkNovak | yes |
| 03:33:20 | DaWorm | well i havent tried that but I guess you change the IP to 1 instead |
| 03:33:20 | MarkNovak | ok lets try it other way |
| 03:33:20 | MarkNovak | what do I host with on Z? |
| 03:33:20 | DaWorm | 1 (i think) along with the port and user/pass |
| 03:33:20 | DaWorm | hehe..i never thought about doing this |
| 03:33:21 | DaWorm | since its only on usb |
| 03:33:21 | MarkNovak | how do I do it the other way? |
| 03:33:38 | DaWorm | i dunno but probably do it just like ftp'ing to any box |
| 03:34:54 | Elkay | gives up and goes back to the Sharp ROM. It was nice having the extra memory, but it was so slow I felt like I was using Windows. |
| 03:35:00 | kergoth | BZFlag: ping |
| 03:35:16 | MarkNovak | OK! |
| 03:35:23 | MarkNovak | im in home/root through FTP to my zaurus |
| 03:35:33 | MarkNovak | where do I find the CF card? |
| 03:35:36 | MarkNovak | I want to upload to CF card |
| 03:35:45 | DaWorm | go up |
| 03:35:50 | DaWorm | and go to /mnt |
| 03:36:24 | MarkNovak | thats it? |
| 03:36:26 | MarkNovak | upload to there? |
| 03:36:48 | DaWorm | go to /mnt/cf |
| 03:36:56 | DaWorm | bill kendrik's page is your friend |
| 03:37:01 | DaWorm | *sigh* |
| 03:37:32 | MarkNovak | NOW upload? |
| 03:37:45 | DaWorm | sure it doesnt hurt to try |
| 03:37:52 | MarkNovak | im a bit afraid |
| 03:38:03 | DaWorm | it won't break |
| 03:38:08 | extremis | http://www.linuxisforbitches.com |
| 03:38:20 | DaWorm | do it gently *lol* |
| 03:38:25 | MarkNovak | DaWorm: you are such a huge help |
| 03:38:27 | MarkNovak | danke |
| 03:38:32 | DaWorm | danke? |
| 03:38:37 | MarkNovak | that means thanks |
| 03:38:46 | DaWorm | ahhh |
| 03:38:49 | DaWorm | what language? |
| 03:38:54 | MarkNovak | :) german |
| 03:39:02 | MarkNovak | USB is great, its so fast |
| 03:39:06 | DaWorm | i thought so |
| 03:39:23 | MarkNovak | I remember when there was a big war between handspring and palm, and handspring was all like "we transfer files so fast with USB" |
| 03:39:35 | DaWorm | http://www.linuxisforbitches.com/bsdvlinux.php |
| 03:39:36 | DaWorm | nyahaha |
| 03:39:38 | DaWorm | i'd go for bsd |
| 03:39:47 | MarkNovak | whats that? |
| 03:39:59 | DaWorm | just check out the pics |
| 03:40:08 | Elkay | Stupit chatzilla. |
| 03:41:05 | MarkNovak | when transferring file, it times out |
| 03:41:09 | DaWorm | ok i have a meeting in a few minutes |
| 03:41:15 | MarkNovak | oh nevermind |
| 03:41:21 | MarkNovak | its because this crap Zaurus froze up |
| 03:41:26 | DaWorm | crap? |
| 03:41:33 | MarkNovak | yes |
| 03:41:41 | MarkNovak | its a piece of shit |
| 03:41:44 | MarkNovak | an expensive one |
| 03:41:46 | DaWorm | they why are you using it |
| 03:42:00 | MarkNovak | because its cool when it works |
| 03:42:07 | DaWorm | then its not crap |
| 03:42:14 | DaWorm | because its cool because it works |
| 03:42:26 | MarkNovak | I hate it on all levels |
| 03:42:31 | MarkNovak | I wish id gotten an ipaq |
| 03:42:31 | DaWorm | then return it |
| 03:42:33 | treke|ho1e | MarkNovak: then go away |
| 03:42:35 | DaWorm | and get an ipaq instead |
| 03:42:37 | DaWorm | and go away |
| 03:42:44 | MarkNovak | sensitive? |
| 03:42:47 | DaWorm | no |
| 03:42:47 | MarkNovak | you guys... |
| 03:43:05 | DaWorm | we try to help out and you just whine |
| 03:43:47 | MarkNovak | yes thank you |
| 03:43:50 | MarkNovak | for helping me |
| 03:44:16 | DaWorm | i'm no linux power user either but i found the zaurus working for me |
| 03:44:45 | MarkNovak | im gonna go play my Markio game... www.marknovak.com/markio.htm |
| 03:44:47 | VerxHome | shit |
| 03:44:51 | VerxHome | I think I just fucked my Z |
| 03:44:53 | VerxHome | damnit |
| 03:45:02 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 03:45:04 | VerxHome | it is nuked |
| 03:45:04 | DaWorm | ooohhhhh |
| 03:45:06 | VerxHome | DAMN |
| 03:45:20 | VerxHome | I think I installed a package too big to fit into flash |
| 03:46:01 | MarkNovak | im sorry |
| 03:46:02 | kergoth | VerxHome: careful.. you know what happens if you fill up jffs2 to the brink.. |
| 03:46:03 | MarkNovak | is it fixable? |
| 03:46:14 | VerxHome | kergoth: Is there anything I can do? |
| 03:46:15 | MarkNovak | wow.. while uploading this time, the Zaurus decided to reboot |
| 03:46:18 | VerxHome_ | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dynamic-link.h: 62: elf_get_dynamic_info: Assertion `! "bad dynamic tag"' failed! |
| 03:46:19 | kergoth | VerxHome: can you rm? |
| 03:46:28 | VerxHome | I get that with seemingly everything I try |
| 03:46:35 | VerxHome | possibly |
| 03:46:42 | extremis | http://psdoom.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html |
| 03:46:59 | kergoth | VerxHome: see if you can rm something. if not.... then jffs2 doesnt have enough room to garbage collect, and you're just toast. reflash at that point |
| 03:47:26 | VerxHome | holy motherfucking christ |
| 03:47:36 | VerxHome | an entire day just fucked in a single second |
| 03:47:38 | VerxHome | :(((((( |
| 03:48:13 | MarkNovak | its not a big deal |
| 03:48:15 | VerxHome | god, there has to be something I can do |
| 03:48:17 | kergoth | VerxHome: not enough space to rm? |
| 03:48:26 | VerxHome_ | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dynamic-link.h: 62: elf_get_dynamic_info: Assertion `! "bad dynamic tag"' failed! |
| 03:48:30 | VerxHome | that is what I am getting |
| 03:48:37 | VerxHome | when I type anything into my ssh session |
| 03:48:39 | kergoth | VerxHome: so you cant use the dynamic linker.. |
| 03:48:52 | kergoth | VerxHome: build a staticly linked shell. ash. busybox. somethign. copy it over and run it |
| 03:48:56 | kergoth | er |
| 03:49:02 | kergoth | VerxHome: run it off a card i mean |
| 03:49:02 | MarkNovak | thats a good idea |
| 03:49:03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:49:13 | VerxHome | I have busybox on there |
| 03:49:21 | VerxHome | but it isn't staticly linked? |
| 03:49:56 | kergoth | i dont think so |
| 03:50:10 | kergoth | should probably staticly link it, along with ipkg, so it can upgrade libc |
| 03:50:11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:50:39 | MarkNovak | USB is sending 400kb/s |
| 03:51:23 | MarkNovak | wow it quit again I think this is the most unreliable handheld ever |
| 03:52:10 | DaWorm | try reflashing a new rom |
| 03:52:34 | MarkNovak | maybe my Z is a lemon |
| 03:52:40 | DrBoB | jeez...take a valium |
| 03:53:00 | DaWorm | like i said return it and don't whine here |
| 03:53:07 | DaWorm | if it doesnt work for you then its not for you |
| 03:53:23 | VerxHome | ok kergoth |
| 03:53:25 | VerxHome | I have a static rm |
| 03:53:28 | VerxHome | my problem tho |
| 03:53:29 | | opie is, like, the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info can be found at http://opie.handhelds.org or in the #opie channel. or at http://www.opie.info or at http://www.opie.us or most important at http://www.opie.info or please read the installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org:80/wiki/index.php3?OpieInstallation |
| 03:53:29 | Xentac | ibot: opie? |
| 03:53:32 | DaWorm | here we try to fix things not whine about it |
| 03:53:35 | VerxHome | is I don't have a static ls |
| 03:54:28 | DrBoB | the Z is a work in progress....if ya want a rock stable toy.....get a palmpilot or something |
| 03:54:33 | kergoth | hey hunger_ |
| 03:55:06 | DaWorm | well i wouldnt really say its a work in progree |
| 03:55:27 | DrBoB | *uses a palmpilot at work* |
| 03:55:45 | MarkNovak | its a work in progress |
| 03:55:59 | VerxHome_ | /dev/root 14464 13444 1020 93% / |
| 03:56:08 | VerxHome | doesn't that mean I have some free space? |
| 03:56:17 | kergoth | VerxHome: yep, looks fine... |
| 03:56:29 | MarkNovak | Z froze this time, im noticing a pattern |
| 03:56:33 | VerxHome_ | Downloading http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/qt-embedded-rotation_2.3.2-4_arm.ipk |
| 03:56:33 | VerxHome_ | Installing qt-embedded-rotation (2.3.2-4) |
| 03:56:33 | VerxHome_ | df |
| 03:56:34 | VerxHome_ | Configuring qt-embedded-rotation...Done |
| 03:56:34 | VerxHome_ | Downloading http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/opie-rotation_0.9.1-20020806_arm.ipk |
| 03:56:34 | kergoth | VerxHome: its almost like your dynamic linker got screwed up. were you trying to install a new libc or somethjing? |
| 03:56:34 | VerxHome_ | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dynamic-link.h: 62: elf_get_dynamic_info: Assertion `! "bad dynamic tag"' failed! |
| 03:56:43 | VerxHome | that is what happened |
| 03:56:46 | VerxHome | it was fine |
| 03:56:48 | VerxHome | and then it wasn't |
| 03:57:32 | kergoth | weird. |
| 03:57:40 | VerxHome | I don't know if it is safe to reboot. . . |
| 03:57:49 | DrBoB | still...i like this 'work in progress' because it has great potential and it's very close to perfect WRT software |
| 03:58:09 | VerxHome | kergoth: What do you think about a reboot? |
| 03:58:14 | VerxHome | good idea or bad idea? |
| 03:58:20 | VerxHome | based on the output I showed you above |
| 03:58:38 | kergoth | VerxHome: do a sanity test. confirm that you can runa nother 'sh' at the prompt |
| 03:58:38 | DrBoB | if you use the battery tray switch...it will reboot from the ROM only |
| 03:58:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:58:48 | VerxHome | I cannot |
| 03:58:59 | VerxHome | I was able to copy rm to ~ |
| 03:59:02 | kergoth | VerxHome: then I doubt it'll be able to boot you back in.. |
| 03:59:11 | VerxHome | so I guess I can still write to flash |
| 03:59:20 | MarkNovak | everybodys Z is acting up |
| 03:59:28 | VerxHome | how can the dynamic linker just stop functioning? |
| 03:59:44 | DrBoB | mine is working fine |
| 03:59:59 | DaWorm | mine works fine |
| 04:00:06 | VerxHome | kergoth: I had a functioning Z |
| 04:00:11 | VerxHome | I installed opie-rotation |
| 04:00:12 | DrBoB | I'm using it right now to chat |
| 04:00:15 | VerxHome | then it died |
| 04:00:27 | VerxHome | it looks like it successfully installed embedded-rotation |
| 04:01:16 | DrBoB | I have been having trouble with the rotation prog too...every since ROM 2.38 |
| 04:01:31 | DaWorm | hmmm |
| 04:01:32 | VerxHome | DrBoB: Problems installing it? |
| 04:01:33 | DaWorm | mine works |
| 04:01:35 | VerxHome | or running it? |
| 04:01:41 | DrBoB | are you running opie? |
| 04:01:46 | MarkNovak | Z sucks |
| 04:01:47 | DrBoB | running |
| 04:01:51 | VerxHome | I am running OZ |
| 04:01:54 | VerxHome | well |
| 04:01:57 | VerxHome | I am gonna reboot it |
| 04:02:01 | VerxHome | it prolly won't bootup |
| 04:02:06 | VerxHome | but at least I will know |
| 04:02:06 | VerxHome | :( |
| 04:02:15 | Elkay | I could really use a reality check on whether this is expected or acceptable speed, 'cause I'm having trouble believing how slow it is. My simple stupid test is "sync; sync; time sh -c 'dd if=/dev/zero of=ddtest bs=1k count=4000 && sync'". It takes a bit over 2.4 seconds to write 4MB to RAM (/tmp) and to CF (/usr/mnt.rom/cf). It takes _18_ seconds in /usr/mnt.rom/card. |
| 04:02:26 | MarkNovak | Conan O'brien is hilarious |
| 04:02:38 | MarkNovak | im at 34 percent file transferred |
| 04:02:41 | DaWorm | oh did he insult the zaurus? |
| 04:02:45 | MarkNovak | i bet a Zaurus that its not going to get through |
| 04:02:53 | MarkNovak | just quit |
| 04:02:59 | MarkNovak | wow Zaurus sucks |
| 04:03:20 | MarkNovak | im throwing these (www.marknovak.com/images/zaurus5.gif) out |
| 04:03:26 | DrBoB | quit trolling Mark...LOL |
| 04:03:37 | DaWorm | well /ignore is your friend |
| 04:03:51 | DaWorm | wow |
| 04:03:55 | DaWorm | that's a lot of junk you have |
| 04:04:00 | ][N-Flux | hot damn |
| 04:04:02 | MarkNovak | you can have them all |
| 04:04:04 | MarkNovak | I hate zaurus |
| 04:04:13 | DaWorm | send 'em send 'em! |
| 04:04:19 | ][N-Flux | I'll take a few |
| 04:04:29 | DaWorm | i'll have 2 please |
| 04:04:43 | DrBoB | I'll trade you my palm V for the lot |
| 04:04:45 | MarkNovak | im seriously going to take a hammer to some of them |
| 04:04:49 | MarkNovak | they piss me off so much |
| 04:04:55 | DaWorm | sure take pictures |
| 04:05:01 | DaWorm | it'll make us cry |
| 04:05:10 | MarkNovak | take it to the shooting range... |
| 04:05:15 | Elkay | I do apologize for interrupting the fascinating "duuh I can't FTP, Zaurus sucks" discussion with technical content. |
| 04:05:26 | MarkNovak | shut your mouth |
| 04:05:30 | DrBoB | please |
| 04:05:35 | MarkNovak | shut your mouth please |
| 04:05:39 | MarkNovak | thanks drbob |
| 04:05:40 | kergoth | lol |
| 04:05:48 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 04:05:51 | DrBoB | enlighten me |
| 04:06:04 | ][N-Flux | why do you have so many? |
| 04:06:12 | kergoth | Elkay: sd is always slow on the Z. you're saying its slower withi that rom than the sharp rom? or..? |
| 04:06:14 | MarkNovak | Im disgustingly rich |
| 04:06:19 | MarkNovak | I buy 30 of everything |
| 04:06:40 | MarkNovak | you should see my garage |
| 04:06:41 | ][N-Flux | hehehe |
| 04:06:45 | ][N-Flux | bob dole doll |
| 04:06:49 | MarkNovak | yes I see |
| 04:06:49 | DaWorm | what do you plan to do with 30 of everything |
| 04:06:59 | MarkNovak | take hammers to them when they dont work |
| 04:07:06 | DaWorm | nice |
| 04:07:08 | MarkNovak | you shold see my 30 ford pintos |
| 04:07:09 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 04:07:16 | Elkay | kergoth: No, I just got the SD and I'm just wondering if it's supposed to be so incredibly dog slow. I'm currently using the Sharp ROM because I gave up waiting for /home to untar on the "crow" ROM. |
| 04:07:17 | DaWorm | i'd probably not do that and just give them to charity |
| 04:07:27 | ][N-Flux | Bwhahahaha |
| 04:07:32 | MarkNovak | im too rich for charity |
| 04:07:36 | MarkNovak | all I need is a pint a day |
| 04:07:40 | MarkNovak | -Paul McCartney |
| 04:07:42 | kergoth | Elkay: the zaurus only uses some of the lines to access the sd.. it doesnt take advantage of its speed. |
| 04:07:45 | kergoth | Elkay: its a hardware issue |
| 04:08:02 | ][N-Flux | needs 2 Z's |
| 04:08:10 | DaWorm | i'm just a poor urban professional |
| 04:08:10 | MarkNovak | you got it |
| 04:08:16 | DrBoB | I want elkay to 'splain to me how to FTP using the 2.38 ROM |
| 04:08:21 | DaWorm | so i'll order 2 Z's as well |
| 04:08:22 | Elkay | If the answer is "SD is just slow, deal with it", then I will. |
| 04:08:30 | VerxHome | well |
| 04:08:30 | kergoth | Elkay: sd isnt slow |
| 04:08:31 | MarkNovak | they're yours |
| 04:08:33 | VerxHome | it booted back up |
| 04:08:37 | kergoth | Elkay: sd on the Z, is slow |
| 04:08:38 | VerxHome | but things were corrupted |
| 04:08:41 | kergoth | Elkay: i dont know about other devices.. |
| 04:08:42 | VerxHome | reflashes |
| 04:08:43 | VerxHome | :( |
| 04:08:48 | MarkNovak | shipping address? |
| 04:08:58 | Elkay | Ok, it's slow on the Z, fine. As long as it's not "your hardware is fuxxored, sent it back". |
| 04:09:23 | DaWorm | you're kidding are you |
| 04:09:34 | Elkay | Or "You shouldn't have bought that cheap-ass Sandisk from buy.com, dipshit". |
| 04:09:43 | cdm | SD/MMC sucks. |
| 04:09:52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:09:55 | kergoth | hey cdm |
| 04:10:06 | cdm | hey kergoth |
| 04:10:31 | Elkay | DrBoB: What you do is install openssh and use sftp. It makes you feel *good*. |
| 04:10:41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:10:57 | DrBoB | I just reinstalled Konq/e lemme see if it still crashes Linux |
| 04:10:59 | ][N-Flux | stinky fart |
| 04:11:25 | DaWorm | konq/e works fine |
| 04:11:35 | roge99_laptop | is away: ZZZZzzzz |
| 04:11:55 | DrBoB | I'll give Ossh and sftp a try later |
| 04:12:16 | VerxHome | well kergoth |
| 04:12:23 | kergoth | VerxHome: starting over? |
| 04:12:24 | VerxHome | I haven't EVER had my iPAQ get corrupted |
| 04:12:30 | kergoth | yeah thats odd |
| 04:12:30 | DrBoB | I swear, it caused my z to reboot all the time |
| 04:12:30 | VerxHome | that is sortof unnerving |
| 04:12:34 | kergoth | ive never seen that either |
| 04:12:37 | kergoth | its just you man ;-) |
| 04:12:39 | VerxHome | I mean you saw what I pasted, right? |
| 04:12:40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:12:41 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:12:45 | VerxHome | it died in the middle of an ipkg install |
| 04:12:45 | kergoth | never seen that before |
| 04:12:48 | VerxHome | me either |
| 04:12:53 | VerxHome | and I use ipkg a -*LOT*- |
| 04:13:15 | kergoth | you use familiar unstable? |
| 04:13:15 | Elkay | Now, 7 hours after excitedly unwrapping the new memory card, I am finally back where I started and can start to install some bloatware. |
| 04:13:18 | VerxHome | well, I know what I wanna do a bit better now |
| 04:13:24 | VerxHome | yeah, familiar unstable on my iPAQ |
| 04:13:27 | kergoth | ah |
| 04:13:30 | kergoth | well OZ uses ipkg from cvs |
| 04:13:34 | DaWorm | oh well |
| 04:13:40 | kergoth | which isnt far ahead of the tags for ipkg/C in familiar unstable |
| 04:13:41 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:15:05 | MarkNovak | im gonna go kick my z's ass |
| 04:15:25 | DaWorm | lol |
| 04:15:28 | DaWorm | what a guy |
| 04:15:33 | ][N-Flux | indeed |
| 04:15:42 | VerxHome | what the heck is his deal? |
| 04:15:48 | VerxHome | was stunned by his um |
| 04:15:54 | VerxHome | lack of sense |
| 04:15:55 | DaWorm | wonder where he got that pic with a bunch of Zs |
| 04:16:08 | VerxHome | which pic? |
| 04:16:14 | DaWorm | [13:15] <MarkNovak> im throwing these (www.marknovak.com/images/zaurus5.gif) out |
| 04:16:17 | extremis | hrm, why couldn't he just say. "well this is too complicated for me, I'd rather not deal with any issues at all, so I'm going to put it away, on second thought return it" |
| 04:16:36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:16:37 | DaWorm | well if he really had 30 Zs that would be a problem |
| 04:16:38 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 04:17:07 | extremis | hrm, he's a tester? |
| 04:17:15 | DaWorm | well he's a designer (according to his site) |
| 04:21:15 | Elkay | Whoever wrote "ipkg says something went wrong, sorry" needs a boot to the head. |
| 04:21:34 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 04:21:54 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 04:21:55 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy or asleep |
| 04:21:55 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 04:22:14 | DrBoB | the reinstall of Konq/e seems to bee working OK..... |
| 04:22:20 | kergoth | Elkay: you shouldve seen the low memory error on the early developer unit roms.. |
| 04:22:27 | kergoth | Elkay: "The memory smacks of usage!" |
| 04:22:31 | kergoth | Elkay: lol |
| 04:22:34 | DaWorm | lol |
| 04:22:45 | kergoth | the memory smacks.. dont you hate that? |
| 04:22:46 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 04:23:02 | DaWorm | at least it didn't say "maybe you should do a hard reset" |
| 04:23:03 | DrBoB | must have been I scred it up during a backup/restore |
| 04:23:48 | DrBoB | screwed it up even |
| 04:23:59 | Elkay | It's kind of entertaining, at least. :-) |
| 04:24:05 | VerxHome | ok |
| 04:24:08 | VerxHome | something is horribly wrong |
| 04:24:10 | VerxHome | :(((((( |
| 04:24:21 | VerxHome | kergoth: I just had qpe segfault |
| 04:24:30 | VerxHome | after a clean reflash |
| 04:24:32 | DrBoB | all your base memory are belong to us |
| 04:25:47 | VerxHome | actually |
| 04:26:01 | VerxHome | perhaps it was because I removed the wireless applet while opie was running |
| 04:26:05 | VerxHome | doesn't know for sure |
| 04:26:17 | VerxHome | would that cause qpe to crash? |
| 04:27:02 | kergoth | shouldnt |
| 04:27:09 | kergoth | it should cause it to restart, not exit |
| 04:27:12 | Elkay | I'm really scared that I'm going to start writing Python. What if I like it? *shudder* |
| 04:27:17 | kergoth | VerxHome: worst case, login.. then run /etc/init.d/opie start |
| 04:27:29 | VerxHome | it segfaulted directly after I did the ipkg remove |
| 04:27:31 | DrBoB | bbs ....I,m going to reinstall the rotation utility |
| 04:27:38 | VerxHome | kergoth: I have qpe going again, that wasn't a big deal |
| 04:27:40 | codemnky | says yo |
| 04:27:44 | kergoth | k |
| 04:27:44 | kergoth | odd |
| 04:27:46 | kergoth | hey codemnky |
| 04:28:08 | codemnky | yo |
| 04:28:20 | codemnky | darm eveyone is zzzZ'n |
| 04:28:25 | Elkay | Is it ipkg -d /usr/mnt.rom/card to install on SD? Is that supposed to make magic symlinks or whatever? |
| 04:28:56 | kergoth | Elkay: that'll install it, but wont symlink |
| 04:29:10 | [DrEvil] | yay |
| 04:29:13 | [DrEvil] | 12 Monkeys |
| 04:29:18 | [DrEvil] | I love that movie |
| 04:29:26 | Elkay | It doesn't seem to have registered it either. Grr. |
| 04:29:44 | codemnky | is that a pun at me? |
| 04:30:19 | Elkay | Is it only the Qt package manager that makes the links? |
| 04:30:54 | kergoth | Elkay: just hte gui, yes |
| 04:30:59 | kergoth | Elkay: 'registered'? |
| 04:31:23 | kergoth | Elkay: yes it did, but do say, do ipkg files [packagename] .. you'd need to ipkg -d /usr/mnt.rom/card files [packagename] |
| 04:31:25 | Elkay | kergoth: Whatever the package database is. ipkg info python shows nothing. ipkg list | grep -i python shows nothing. Yet it installed without errors. |
| 04:31:40 | Elkay | Oh. Icky. |
| 04:31:40 | kergoth | Elkay: as i said, you need to specify the destination for queries as well |
| 04:31:48 | kergoth | Elkay: becuase the ipkg database itself resides on your sd card. |
| 04:31:55 | kergoth | Elkay: for the apps installed there anyway |
| 04:31:56 | Elkay | Although in a way I guess that's cleaner. |
| 04:31:59 | kergoth | Elkay: which is as it should be |
| 04:32:00 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:32:18 | kergoth | for example you could give me your card, i could query that database, dump the file list, and symlink into my rootfs and run the apps |
| 04:32:46 | Elkay | Better than the package being listed in the database even though the card is removed, which is how the Qt thing seems to set it up. |
| 04:34:00 | kergoth | qinstall just runs ipkg -d |
| 04:34:07 | kergoth | after doing some hacking around itself, iirc |
| 04:34:10 | kergoth | qinstall is a piece of shit |
| 04:34:18 | Elkay | So the generally accepted practice is to make symlinks from /usr/local/bin? |
| 04:34:28 | kergoth | ? |
| 04:34:34 | kergoth | no.. |
| 04:34:42 | kergoth | every file gets linked into the rootfs in the appropriate place |
| 04:34:43 | kergoth | for example |
| 04:35:01 | kergoth | /mnt/card/opt/QtPalmtop/apps/Applications/blah.desktop gets linked to /opt/QtPalmtop/apps/Applications/blah.desktop |
| 04:35:28 | kergoth | this is necessary because there are more files on the card than just libraries and binaries (which could be dealt with via PATh and LD_LIBRARY_PATH respectively) |
| 04:36:37 | Elkay | Ah, yeah. I was only thinking about python. Tired. |
| 04:38:11 | Elkay | I've only had my Z for 3 days, so I'm still finding the idiosyncrasies. |
| 04:39:19 | kergoth | ah gotcha |
| 04:40:29 | Elkay | I should have just used ipkg in the first place, but I am only slowly learning that this thing's more of a portable Linux box than a souped-up PalmPilot. The "the average user is just going to click on the icon, so surely that must work" approach is not as productive as I'd hoped. |
| 04:43:51 | kergoth | hehe. |
| 04:43:51 | kergoth | it'll get there |
| 04:43:51 | kergoth | this is their first attempt, i'm hoping they'll get the kinks worked out |
| 04:44:35 | VerxHome | ok |
| 04:44:37 | Elkay | I hope so. I'm perfectly happy (thrilled, even) with the portable Linux box, but I've been a unix sysadmin for over 10 years. I just hope they make money on this so they keep making more. |
| 04:44:38 | VerxHome | kergoth |
| 04:44:41 | VerxHome | I am worried |
| 04:44:54 | codemnky | it will be ok |
| 04:44:55 | VerxHome | I am getting "Illegal instruction" on the rm command |
| 04:45:01 | VerxHome | and Segmentation fault on ls |
| 04:45:02 | VerxHome | :( |
| 04:45:16 | VerxHome | this is after a fresh reflash just a few minutes ago |
| 04:45:17 | codemnky | flash, flash, and re-flash if you're not sure |
| 04:45:24 | kergoth | odd |
| 04:45:35 | VerxHome | maybe the flash is corrupt |
| 04:45:38 | VerxHome | or something |
| 04:45:44 | codemnky | that happened to me a few times |
| 04:45:55 | VerxHome | codemnky: What did you do about it? |
| 04:46:18 | kergoth | VerxHome: just for shits, you could reflash back to a full ospack to the sharp rom, then reflash OZ again.. i've had quirks that only that solves, which is wierd, as I shouldnt have to reflash the bootloader ever.. |
| 04:46:34 | codemnky | reformat the cf and copy new image files |
| 04:46:41 | VerxHome | ok |
| 04:46:50 | VerxHome | man |
| 04:47:00 | VerxHome | I have been through the ringer today |
| 04:47:09 | codemnky | is this a new instalation that's not working? |
| 04:47:13 | VerxHome | and the battery still hasn't fully charged |
| 04:47:16 | codemnky | or a old one |
| 04:47:21 | VerxHome | codemnky: I just got the Z at 2pm today |
| 04:47:25 | codemnky | that got messed up |
| 04:47:29 | codemnky | oh |
| 04:47:30 | VerxHome | been having all sorts of problems |
| 04:47:46 | codemnky | what rom are you using? |
| 04:47:50 | VerxHome | OZ |
| 04:48:04 | codemnky | 5500? |
| 04:48:10 | treke|home | VerxHome: you think thats bad, I've had my ipaq plugged in almost all day and I cant charge past 94% |
| 04:48:11 | codemnky | or 5000D |
| 04:48:26 | VerxHome | 5000d |
| 04:48:41 | codemnky | ok same as mine |
| 04:48:45 | anselor | hey guys, how does one do a screen capture on a zaurus? |
| 04:48:54 | codemnky | what rom version are you using exactly |
| 04:49:12 | VerxHome | OZ: the initrd 2.9.5.5 |
| 04:49:13 | EkePoetry | "cat /dev/fb > /tmp/shot.raw" will do the trick. :) |
| 04:49:15 | codemnky | down load screen capture program from: |
| 04:49:16 | VerxHome | and zImage 26-6 |
| 04:49:20 | codemnky | damn |
| 04:49:22 | ToyKeeper | dangit. |
| 04:49:23 | codemnky | that's cool |
| 04:49:33 | codemnky | really Eke? |
| 04:49:36 | anselor | i knew there was a device,cool. |
| 04:49:55 | anselor | what format is that in - can an image viewer view that? |
| 04:50:20 | codemnky | VerxHome |
| 04:50:38 | codemnky | what oz versions are you using |
| 04:50:41 | ToyKeeper | http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpaqScreenshots |
| 04:50:50 | codemnky | there it is |
| 04:51:02 | ToyKeeper | Er, I should really post an updated raw2ppm somewhere... |
| 04:51:03 | Elkay | there's also one built in in /home/sharp/bin/scshot |
| 04:51:27 | codemnky | nnice |
| 04:51:34 | codemnky | is that busybox? |
| 04:51:58 | VerxHome | codemonkey: I just showed you my version info |
| 04:52:15 | codemnky | ah |
| 04:52:18 | codemnky | i missed it |
| 04:52:20 | codemnky | 1 sec |
| 04:52:23 | VerxHome | np |
| 04:54:00 | codemnky | i did that |
| 04:54:24 | codemnky | i had to roll back to 2.9.4 (oz3 b10.4) |
| 04:54:41 | VerxHome | ok, great |
| 04:54:54 | VerxHome | so now I tried to flash the sharp 1.38 image |
| 04:54:57 | VerxHome | it failed |
| 04:54:59 | codemnky | well |
| 04:55:16 | codemnky | how did you flash it |
| 04:55:17 | VerxHome | dumped me to a kernel e2fsck check failure |
| 04:55:21 | Elkay | /etc/gnuchess_5.04_arm.ipk? Did Sharp accidentally put that in the ROM? |
| 04:55:23 | VerxHome | c-d-full-reset |
| 04:55:30 | Elkay | geez, chatzilla |
| 04:55:33 | codemnky | nothing else on the cf but romimage |
| 04:55:36 | Elkay | I need a real opearting system. |
| 04:55:38 | VerxHome | correct |
| 04:55:44 | codemnky | power plugged in |
| 04:55:50 | VerxHome | yup |
| 04:55:54 | VerxHome | battery as well |
| 04:56:00 | codemnky | have a cf read/writer |
| 04:56:05 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 04:56:16 | codemnky | pop it in and install the data again |
| 04:56:20 | VerxHome | I have a winXP box with a USB CF read/writer |
| 04:56:27 | codemnky | same here |
| 04:56:32 | VerxHome | as well as my iPAQ 3850 with CF sleeve |
| 04:56:38 | codemnky | put the romimage on it again |
| 04:56:50 | VerxHome | so you think it is safe to remove the cf card? |
| 04:57:12 | codemnky | from zaurus? |
| 04:57:26 | codemnky | device |
| 04:57:35 | codemnky | yes |
| 04:58:20 | VerxHome | ok |
| 04:58:26 | VerxHome | copying ROMIMAGE again |
| 04:58:34 | VerxHome | it is in all uppercase, is that ok? |
| 04:58:41 | codemnky | c-d-full-reset, remove image, click full reset again, flip on, push cancle |
| 04:58:50 | codemnky | i think so |
| 04:59:05 | VerxHome | remove image? |
| 04:59:08 | VerxHome | how do I do that? |
| 04:59:10 | codemnky | but no other file can be on there |
| 04:59:14 | codemnky | remove cf i meant |
| 04:59:29 | codemnky | c-d-full-reset lasts about 3 mins |
| 04:59:37 | codemnky | both lights should be on |
| 04:59:42 | codemnky | grren orange |
| 04:59:47 | codemnky | green too |
| 05:00:04 | codemnky | for 3 mins |
| 05:00:10 | VerxHome | yeah |
| 05:00:16 | VerxHome | it did that before, then the kernel dumped on me |
| 05:00:23 | VerxHome | I am doing the c-d-full-reset now |
| 05:00:27 | codemnky | with openZ or sharp |
| 05:00:35 | VerxHome | sharp |
| 05:00:37 | Wembly | kergoth? |
| 05:01:16 | codemnky | thinks kergoth is passed out |
| 05:04:26 | Elkay | Is there a better way than "restart qtopia" to get it to notice new desktop applications? |
| 05:06:28 | VerxHome | yes |
| 05:06:32 | VerxHome | look up opie-sh |
| 05:06:38 | VerxHome | there is a "launcher-refresh" script |
| 05:08:28 | Elkay | Spif. |
| 05:10:16 | VerxHome | man |
| 05:10:20 | VerxHome | I cannot reflash for anything |
| 05:10:25 | VerxHome | something is severely wrong |
| 05:10:47 | BigBoss | http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1592 |
| 05:10:59 | BigBoss | new interview with me - complete with sexy photo |
| 05:11:25 | VerxHome | so that's what you look like |
| 05:11:30 | VerxHome | you are older than I thought |
| 05:11:42 | treke|ho1e | funny, I pictured him as older |
| 05:13:52 | VerxHome | durnit |
| 05:14:02 | VerxHome | can't find the proper 5000d rom download location. . . |
| 05:14:52 | Elkay | Oh, you're that guy. |
| 05:15:34 | BigBoss | i'm 38 for christ sake :) |
| 05:15:35 | kergoth | VerxHome: http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/index.asp |
| 05:15:35 | VerxHome | ok, found it |
| 05:15:40 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:15:42 | VerxHome | redownloads the rom |
| 05:15:45 | kergoth | BigBoss: nice article. |
| 05:15:47 | VerxHome | kergoth: I am having serious issues |
| 05:15:50 | kergoth | s/article/interview/ |
| 05:15:51 | kergoth | blah |
| 05:15:52 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:15:53 | VerxHome | the sharp image won't even flash now |
| 05:15:57 | kergoth | VerxHome: ack |
| 05:15:58 | BigBoss | thanks kergoth |
| 05:16:06 | kergoth | np |
| 05:16:22 | kergoth | eh i better get some sleep. night all |
| 05:16:32 | VerxHome | kergoth`zzz: What happens is I get a kernel screen saying the e2fsck failed |
| 05:16:33 | VerxHome | :( |
| 05:16:34 | ekkis_ | anyone around using the Opera browser on the Z? |
| 05:16:53 | Elkay | I have only two minor issues with oh, you're that guy's software. Which is pretty good, 'cause I'm easily peeved. |
| 05:17:20 | BigBoss | Elkay: not really following you |
| 05:17:53 | Elkay | BigBoss: That's to be expected. I'm barely following myself due to lack of sleep. |
| 05:18:08 | ekkis_ | I'm having problems using CSS on the Z... anyone messed with that? |
| 05:18:16 | ekkis_ | any special things I have to do? |
| 05:18:35 | treke|ho1e | css? |
| 05:18:37 | Elkay | I think what I'm trying to say is "it would be really nice if the menu button worked in tkc programs". |
| 05:19:02 | ekkis_ | treke|home: cascading stylesheets |
| 05:19:25 | BigBoss | what would you have it do? |
| 05:19:46 | Elkay | ekkis_: On a device that small, it's hardly worth worrying, IMHO. If you can see a web page at all, ain't that cool. |
| 05:19:46 | ekkis_ | treke|ho1e: there's supposed to be support in Opera |
| 05:19:56 | treke|ho1e | ekkis_: ah |
| 05:20:21 | ekkis_ | Elkay: no. it's very important for laying stuff out so it fits |
| 05:20:31 | Elkay | Shift focus to the toolbar, I guess. So I can enter a new contact without fumbling for the stylus just to click on the little icon. |
| 05:20:44 | treke|ho1e | BigBoss: if you use QPEMenuBar instead of QMenuBar, it lets you use the buttons to navigate the menus |
| 05:20:53 | ekkis_ | Elkay: I have a page with frames and the frames are measured to fit stuff right... but it assumes that CSS works on Opera, which it's supposed to..... |
| 05:21:09 | Elkay | ekkis_: I guess I'm not following what you want. I figured you're trying to design a page for the Zaurus. |
| 05:21:15 | ekkis_ | the problem is that setting the margins on a page doesn't seem to work........ |
| 05:21:15 | BigBoss | treke|ho1e: but we use icons and not menu's so it doesn't really work |
| 05:21:25 | ekkis_ | Elkay: correct |
| 05:22:01 | treke|ho1e | BigBoss: then I no longer follow what Elkay wants any more |
| 05:22:03 | ekkis_ | Elkay: I have a page that uses a stylesheet, the stylesheet specifies that the page borders should be 0... but Opera doesn't seem to pay attention... |
| 05:22:09 | anselor | yay, screencap. thanks all, g'nite |
| 05:22:26 | Elkay | Alternately, if there were keyboard shortcuts, that would work too. Say, "n" for new or whatever. |
| 05:22:28 | treke|ho1e | ekkis_: opera probably ignore some attributes to make things fit on screen |
| 05:23:08 | ekkis_ | treke|ho1e: is there a doc that specifies the level of support for css in Opera? |
| 05:23:44 | treke|ho1e | ekkis_: no. It should support CSS 2, doesnt mean it has to obey what you tell it :) |
| 05:24:11 | ekkis_ | treke|ho1e: those 2 stmts are contradictory |
| 05:24:36 | ekkis_ | treke|ho1e: if it supports CSS 2 then it should obey the CSS 2 command I give it.... |
| 05:24:37 | Elkay | treke|ho1e: They aren't menus as such, it's a line of icons used like a menu. I'm looking at the address book now and I can use the arrows to hilight different addresses, select them for editing, viewing, beaming, etc., but there's no way to add a new one without pulling the stylus out. I'm a klutz, so I then have to put it away again or I'll drop it while I'm typing. |
| 05:25:09 | VerxHome | damn |
| 05:25:16 | Elkay | It's not like a big deal. I'm just bothering the guy because he's within earshot. :-) |
| 05:25:17 | VerxHome | I seem to be 100% unable to flash my Z now |
| 05:25:22 | treke|ho1e | ekkis_: The browser is allowed to override the style sheet provided by the server |
| 05:25:45 | Onyx4 | damn I just upgraded oz-base package and now my Z hung up on reboot |
| 05:25:48 | Onyx4 | soft reset doesnt work |
| 05:25:51 | VerxHome | anyone with some good Z flashing experience that could give me some hints, I would appreciate it |
| 05:26:34 | VerxHome | it is saying: Couldn't find ext2 superblock |
| 05:26:40 | treke|ho1e | Elkay: look around on the rom, there might be a custom style sheet hiding on it |
| 05:26:41 | VerxHome | Could this be a zero-length partition? |
| 05:26:58 | Elkay | verxhome: I've flashed mine back and forth about half a dozen times today. OpenZaurus, crow, Sharp, modified crow, back to Sharp.. It worked flawlessly every time. |
| 05:27:01 | ekkis_ | treke|ho1e: really? what's weird though is that if I embed MARGINWIDTH in the BODY tag he seems to obey that..... |
| 05:27:04 | VerxHome | ext2fs_check_if_mount: No such file or directory while determining whether /dev/mtdblock1 is mounted. |
| 05:27:20 | VerxHome | Elkay: How did you format your CF? |
| 05:27:34 | Elkay | Is it possible that your image is corrupted in transfer or something? Like an ascii/binary issue? |
| 05:27:43 | VerxHome | very doubtful |
| 05:27:46 | treke|ho1e | ekkis_: HTML and CSS are pretty flexible in what they allow you to do. HTML more so |
| 05:27:51 | Elkay | FAT16 from Windows XP in a SanDisk CF reader. |
| 05:28:03 | Wembly | omg i missed kergoth *crys* |
| 05:28:11 | VerxHome | Elkay: How do you get winXP to format fat16? |
| 05:28:26 | VerxHome | is their "FAT" fat16? |
| 05:28:30 | Elkay | verxhome: I do believe it asked. I will try again. |
| 05:28:35 | VerxHome | ie, it defaults to FAT32 |
| 05:28:40 | VerxHome | and can be changed to "FAT" |
| 05:29:02 | Elkay | Right, I changed it from FAT32 to FAT because it said somewhere on the web that it should be FAT16. |
| 05:29:19 | VerxHome | ok |
| 05:29:21 | Elkay | Which isn't really called FAT16 because at the time of FAT16 there was no other FAT. |
| 05:29:23 | VerxHome | let me try that now |
| 05:29:40 | VerxHome | I was formatting the flash with my iPAQ up until now |
| 05:30:47 | Elkay | I guess the flash flasher would be some pretty low-level code, so maybe it's pretty sensitive to minor details like that. </false-hope> |
| 05:32:10 | VerxHome | heh |
| 05:32:19 | VerxHome | what are the crow rom images for? |
| 05:32:20 | Wembly | ok wtf |
| 05:32:23 | VerxHome | do you have a URL? |
| 05:32:58 | Elkay | http://www.schwag.org/~crow/ |
| 05:33:09 | Elkay | Same as Flinders, but newer. |
| 05:33:24 | Elkay | Puts all the writable stuff on SD so you have the full RAM free. |
| 05:34:25 | Elkay | I went through a lot of trouble extracting the cramfs, replacing the SD module (since I have the new SanDisk card that requires it) and rebuilding the thing, only to find out how abysmally slow SD is. |
| 05:35:11 | VerxHome | heh |
| 05:35:12 | VerxHome | well |
| 05:35:15 | Elkay | It took over an hour to install and slowed down the whole system to a level I couldn't handle, so I went back to the factory ROM. Maybe OZ will be for me once the VNC issue is worked out. |
| 05:35:20 | VerxHome | I am unable to flash anymore |
| 05:35:23 | VerxHome | I think my unit is dead |
| 05:35:52 | VerxHome | I reformatted my flash using winXP |
| 05:36:01 | VerxHome | redownloaded the romimage from sharp |
| 05:36:05 | VerxHome | rewrote it to the CF |
| 05:36:09 | VerxHome | and reflashed |
| 05:36:12 | VerxHome | same result |
| 05:36:53 | Elkay | Dayum. |
| 05:38:36 | VerxHome | weird |
| 05:38:42 | VerxHome | I think it was successful |
| 05:38:46 | VerxHome | just wasn't acting like it |
| 05:38:52 | VerxHome | I pulled out the CF card |
| 05:38:55 | VerxHome | hit the reset button |
| 05:39:04 | VerxHome | put power back to normal |
| 05:39:06 | VerxHome | and turned it on |
| 05:39:13 | VerxHome | I am on 1.38 instead of OZ now |
| 05:39:14 | VerxHome | weird |
| 05:39:42 | VerxHome | so it gives errors when it is successful |
| 05:39:44 | VerxHome | boggles |
| 05:41:34 | Elkay | What do you mean acting like it? |
| 05:41:46 | Elkay | It doesn't really act like anything, the lights just go off when it's done. |
| 05:41:57 | VerxHome | no |
| 05:42:01 | VerxHome | the screen turned on |
| 05:42:06 | VerxHome | and gave e2fsck errors |
| 05:42:11 | VerxHome | that is what it was doing |
| 05:42:16 | VerxHome | right after the LED's turned off |
| 05:43:05 | Elkay | Guh? How's that possible with the battery switch off? |
| 05:43:12 | VerxHome | I have no clue |
| 05:43:29 | VerxHome | but the battery switch was in the "replace battery" position |
| 05:43:38 | VerxHome | I checked it immediately when I saw the screen turn on |
| 05:43:43 | Elkay | Maybe your switch is funky |
| 05:43:54 | VerxHome | neo |
| 05:44:09 | VerxHome | you should prolly change all your scripts to use /bin/sh instead of /bin/bash |
| 05:47:12 | NeoTron | they do |
| 05:47:22 | NeoTron | except eligo perhaps but it should have a new release soon |
| 05:47:39 | VerxHome | it is eligo I was looking at most recently |
| 05:48:02 | NeoTron | I'm making a build system right now |
| 05:48:14 | VerxHome | still no clue why the icons get left over? |
| 05:49:51 | kolla | prods kergoth`zzz |
| 05:58:05 | treke|ho1e | is it just me or can qt compile errors be completly unhelpful at times? |
| 05:58:54 | scan[z] | yay, hideable nicklist |
| 05:59:19 | scan[z] | still some various bugs.... |
| 05:59:30 | scan[z] | timestamps take up too much screen space |
| 05:59:34 | treke|ho1e | what ap? |
| 05:59:39 | scan[z] | x-chat |
| 05:59:44 | treke|ho1e | ah |
| 06:00:04 | scan[z] | I'm not on a real zaurus right now.. on a simulated one |
| 06:00:13 | scan[z] | but it should work on the real thing |
| 06:00:31 | treke|ho1e | xchat for the z? |
| 06:00:40 | scan[z] | PicoGUI x-chat |
| 06:00:42 | Wembly | simulated one? |
| 06:00:43 | treke|ho1e | ah |
| 06:00:50 | scan[z] | should be possible to do a Qt x-chat too |
| 06:00:52 | treke|ho1e | was gunna say |
| 06:01:02 | scan[z] | the front ends are separated from the rest of the code nicely |
| 06:01:19 | VerxHome | anyone know what this means?: |
| 06:01:31 | treke|ho1e | xchat is pretty bulky |
| 06:01:37 | VerxHome | getty: ioctl() TIOCSPGRP call failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 06:01:37 | scan[z] | yeah |
| 06:01:51 | scan[z] | though this is running without glib |
| 06:02:14 | scan[z] | 177k binary on x86 |
| 06:02:27 | scan[z] | so, on the Zaurus's scale of things isn't too bad |
| 06:02:58 | scan[z] | desparately needs a smaller font... |
| 06:03:12 | Wembly | herm. |
| 06:03:58 | scan[z] | w00t |
| 06:04:01 | scan[z] | this is better |
| 06:04:04 | scan[z] | ultra-super-tiny font |
| 06:04:11 | kendrick2 | is doing something wrong |
| 06:04:15 | kendrick2 | i have CONFIG_USB_UHCI_ALT=m |
| 06:04:18 | scan[z] | Makes me want to try this on a real Zaurus.... |
| 06:04:20 | kendrick2 | in my kernel config... is that right? |
| 06:04:33 | Wembly | which module do you want? |
| 06:04:47 | Wembly | seems right |
| 06:04:52 | kendrick2 | from http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_ethernet-over-usb-howto.shtml ... apparently "usb-uhci" or "usb-ohci" |
| 06:05:00 | Wembly | ahh |
| 06:05:07 | kendrick2 | uhci 25032 0 (unused) |
| 06:05:17 | Wembly | the alt one is the uhci |
| 06:05:21 | kendrick2 | i dont think i ever used this particular patch... i used the older one |
| 06:05:27 | kendrick2 | so i should set it to UHCI not the ALT one |
| 06:05:34 | Wembly | yes |
| 06:05:42 | scan[z] | brb |
| 06:05:46 | Wembly | i generally grab both tho just for the hell of it :) |
| 06:05:49 | Wembly | err compile |
| 06:05:57 | kendrick2 | does a make dep |
| 06:06:05 | kendrick2 | i guess i'll only need to do make modules / modules_install - no reboot |
| 06:06:08 | Wembly | my hotplug script on my machine loads usb-uhci 1st |
| 06:06:17 | Wembly | *nods* |
| 06:06:24 | Wembly | or do a make modules |
| 06:06:33 | Wembly | and copy it outa the drivers/usb dir |
| 06:07:05 | kendrick2 | man, dep's taking forever |
| 06:07:29 | Wembly | hehe |
| 06:07:39 | Wembly | i have someone sucking down a cd offa my http server... |
| 06:07:46 | Wembly | dep dosnt take forever. |
| 06:07:47 | scan[z] | cool, scrollback sorta works |
| 06:07:48 | Wembly | apt-get update does hehe |
| 06:08:08 | kendrick2 | using a z irc client, scan? |
| 06:08:31 | scan[z] | kendrick2: I'm running xchat-picogui |
| 06:08:37 | kendrick2 | oh! nifty! |
| 06:08:45 | kendrick2 | is there picogui for the Z? |
| 06:08:53 | Wembly | yea |
| 06:08:53 | kendrick2 | forgets, and often confuses picogui and paragui :) |
| 06:08:56 | scan[z] | not on the Z though... debugging it on a simulated Z |
| 06:09:03 | scan[z] | sorta.. the picogui for Z needs some tweaking still |
| 06:09:03 | Wembly | oh |
| 06:09:05 | kendrick2 | cool.. under qtopia, or x? |
| 06:09:08 | Wembly | i thought it was on the z? |
| 06:09:19 | scan[z] | should take a screenshot |
| 06:09:32 | kendrick2 | Aug 22 00:20:36 amiga /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: ... no modules for USB product 4dd/8004/0 |
| 06:09:33 | kendrick2 | gar! |
| 06:09:36 | kendrick2 | what did i do wrong? |
| 06:09:41 | kendrick2 | scan[z] - yes.. you should! |
| 06:10:01 | kendrick2 | how do you guys like that "I'M NOT ON THIS LIST! UNSUBSCRIBE ME!" crap? :) |
| 06:10:05 | kendrick2 | over, and over, and over again |
| 06:10:28 | Wembly | i dunno |
| 06:10:34 | Wembly | but id classify it as effect.. tho annoying. |
| 06:10:39 | treke|ho1e | kendrick2: its pretty much done now |
| 06:10:41 | scan[z] | ok.. it's at http://navi.picogui.org/public/media/images/xhat-new.jpeg |
| 06:10:51 | scan[z] | so you can see exactly what I'm seeing :) |
| 06:11:08 | scan[z] | oops |
| 06:11:16 | scan[z] | http://navi.picogui.org/public/media/images/xchat-new.jpeg |
| 06:11:20 | kendrick2 | treke - herm? |
| 06:11:51 | KhensU | looks good |
| 06:12:03 | scan[z] | window title is too long to fit :) |
| 06:12:16 | scan[z] | that bar on the right is draggable to reveal the userlist and buttons |
| 06:12:24 | kendrick2 | so what am i missing? earlier today, before upgrading to 2.4.19 and the newer usb/eth patch, it didn't fail as early |
| 06:12:32 | kendrick2 | and once upon a time, it worked.. but i think that was under 2.2 on my desktop |
| 06:12:54 | treke|ho1e | scan[z]: beautiful fonts |
| 06:13:02 | kendrick2 | scan[z] is pico on top of qt or x? |
| 06:13:04 | scan[z] | haha |
| 06:13:09 | Wembly | kendrick: what failed? |
| 06:13:15 | scan[z] | the fonts aren't that great, they're not antialiased yet |
| 06:13:24 | kendrick2 | insert z, /var/log/messages states: Aug 22 00:20:36 amiga /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: ... no modules for USB product 4dd/8004/0 |
| 06:13:24 | scan[z] | kendrick2: neither |
| 06:13:31 | kendrick2 | framebuffer? |
| 06:13:39 | scan[z] | kendrick2: yea |
| 06:13:47 | scan[z] | though right now I'm using the SDL driver to run it under X |
| 06:13:51 | scan[z] | there are lots of video and input drivers |
| 06:14:17 | scan[z] | with freetype support I could make this tiny font look a lot better |
| 06:14:24 | Wembly | 04dd |
| 06:14:24 | Wembly | not 4dd |
| 06:14:35 | Wembly | tho dunno if that makes a diff |
| 06:14:48 | Wembly | kendrick2: does it show up under lsusb? |
| 06:15:03 | kendrick2 | in the config, it is 04dd |
| 06:15:10 | kendrick2 | cannot open /proc/bus/usb, No such file or directory (2) |
| 06:15:11 | scan[z] | takes another screenshot for picogui.org, just for the heck of it |
| 06:15:11 | Wembly | k |
| 06:15:22 | Wembly | did you mount usbdevfs? |
| 06:15:26 | kendrick2 | mount? |
| 06:15:28 | kendrick2 | usbdevfs? |
| 06:15:31 | kendrick2 | wtf!? :) |
| 06:15:32 | Wembly | yea |
| 06:15:36 | Wembly | here |
| 06:15:38 | kendrick2 | mount: can't find usbdevfs in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 06:15:49 | Wembly | err |
| 06:15:59 | kendrick2 | i know usb in general works (worked) cuz my CF cardreader worked |
| 06:15:59 | Wembly | did you compile usbdevfs? |
| 06:16:05 | kendrick2 | howto didn't mention ti! |
| 06:16:23 | kendrick2 | are you SURE i need this? |
| 06:16:34 | Wembly | usbdevfs? |
| 06:16:38 | Wembly | thinks... |
| 06:16:41 | kendrick2 | yeah... |
| 06:16:44 | Wembly | not overly. |
| 06:16:46 | kendrick2 | i didn't have it in 2.4.16 |
| 06:17:08 | Wembly | hold on a sec |
| 06:17:12 | kendrick2 | boggles |
| 06:17:16 | kendrick2 | runs to get CF card to test reader |
| 06:17:30 | Wembly | lsusb dosnt work without usbdevfs i dont think tho... |
| 06:17:59 | Wembly | try manually loading usbdnet |
| 06:18:05 | Wembly | then plug your zaurus in |
| 06:18:20 | Wembly | see if theres a network interface inbetween those steps too |
| 06:18:22 | Wembly | ifconfig -a |
| 06:18:35 | kendrick2 | CF reader works |
| 06:18:48 | kendrick2 | Warning: /lib/modules/2.4.19/kernel/drivers/usb/usbdnet.o symbol for parameter echo_tx not found |
| 06:18:55 | Wembly | ignore it |
| 06:20:03 | kendrick2 | Aug 22 00:31:06 amiga kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/1, assigned device number 9 |
| 06:20:03 | kendrick2 | Aug 22 00:31:07 amiga /etc/hotplug/net.agent: invoke ifup usb0 |
| 06:20:04 | kendrick2 | Aug 22 00:31:07 amiga /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: ... no modules for USB product 4dd/8004/0 |
| 06:20:08 | kendrick2 | (when i insert the z) |
| 06:20:25 | Wembly | dunno |
| 06:20:28 | Wembly | well |
| 06:20:31 | Wembly | if net.agent ran |
| 06:21:51 | kendrick2 | what's your .config look like, wrt zaurus? |
| 06:21:59 | kendrick2 | i have: |
| 06:22:01 | kendrick2 | CONFIG_USB_USBDNET_VENDOR=04dd |
| 06:22:01 | kendrick2 | CONFIG_USB_USBDNET_PRODUCT=8004 |
| 06:22:07 | kendrick2 | should those have 0x before them??? |
| 06:22:09 | Wembly | wrt> |
| 06:22:12 | Wembly | no |
| 06:22:14 | kendrick2 | with-regard-to |
| 06:22:15 | Wembly | wrt? |
| 06:22:19 | kendrick2 | CONFIG_USB_USBDNET_CLASS=0000 |
| 06:22:19 | kendrick2 | CONFIG_USB_USBDNET_SUBCLASS=0000 |
| 06:22:19 | Wembly | oh |
| 06:22:21 | kendrick2 | those look right? |
| 06:22:23 | Wembly | herm. |
| 06:22:28 | Wembly | net.agent invoke ifup usb0 |
| 06:22:34 | Wembly | do an ifconfig |
| 06:22:39 | Wembly | see if its there? |
| 06:22:45 | Wembly | or an ifconfig -a |
| 06:22:47 | kendrick2 | shows eth0 and lo |
| 06:22:53 | Wembly | usb0 should exist. |
| 06:22:55 | kendrick2 | -a shows usb0 with no inet addr |
| 06:23:00 | Wembly | k |
| 06:23:08 | Wembly | yea |
| 06:23:12 | Wembly | ifup dosnt know wtf to do with it |
| 06:23:16 | Wembly | how did you set it up before? |
| 06:23:22 | kendrick2 | shit, i forget... it was _months_ ago |
| 06:23:25 | kendrick2 | like, early this year |
| 06:23:30 | Wembly | hehe |
| 06:23:33 | kendrick2 | and under 2.2 kernel with a very old sharp rom on my 5000D |
| 06:23:34 | Wembly | if youd like. |
| 06:23:39 | Wembly | ill give you what i do for ifup |
| 06:23:44 | Wembly | err |
| 06:23:48 | Wembly | do an ls in /etc/hotplug |
| 06:24:16 | kendrick2 | hotplug.functions pci.agent usb.distmap usb.usermap |
| 06:24:16 | kendrick2 | ieee1394.agent usb usb.handmap usb.usermap.local |
| 06:24:16 | kendrick2 | net.agent usb.agent usb.rc |
| 06:24:25 | Wembly | whats in the usb dir |
| 06:24:35 | kendrick2 | CDCEther |
| 06:24:40 | kendrick2 | from Feb 27th ;) |
| 06:24:42 | Wembly | rename that to usbdnet |
| 06:24:56 | kendrick2 | oh shit... and it's just a script to upload an ipk |
| 06:24:59 | kendrick2 | i can kill this, i think |
| 06:25:01 | Wembly | or if you wanta use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:25:10 | Wembly | you sure? |
| 06:25:19 | kendrick2 | yeah... it's a shell script i wrote |
| 06:25:29 | Wembly | ok |
| 06:25:43 | kendrick2 | shit - zaurus is locked up :^( |
| 06:26:04 | Wembly | icky |
| 06:26:10 | Wembly | anyhow |
| 06:26:21 | Wembly | go into /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:26:27 | kendrick2 | yeah |
| 06:26:30 | Wembly | you ever edit /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 06:26:41 | kendrick2 | yeah.. there's an eth1 in there, static, 192.168.2.200 |
| 06:26:47 | Wembly | k |
| 06:26:53 | Wembly | add a iface usb0 etc etc etc |
| 06:27:03 | Wembly | copy the info outa the mandrake instructions |
| 06:27:10 | Wembly | as far as ip addresses and such |
| 06:27:18 | kendrick2 | instead of eth1? |
| 06:27:27 | Wembly | yea |
| 06:27:29 | Wembly | err |
| 06:27:34 | Wembly | dont just rename that one |
| 06:27:38 | Wembly | make a new entry |
| 06:27:50 | Wembly | iface usb0 inet static |
| 06:28:01 | Wembly | address=192.168.129.200 |
| 06:28:05 | Wembly | netmask=255.255.255.0 |
| 06:28:12 | Wembly | broadcast=192.168.129.255 |
| 06:28:18 | Wembly | network=192.168.129.0 |
| 06:28:20 | kendrick2 | go it |
| 06:28:22 | scanline | tries compiling a minimal xchat |
| 06:28:23 | kendrick2 | err.. got it |
| 06:28:36 | Wembly | now do ifup usb0 |
| 06:28:49 | Wembly | or hotplug will do it for you when you plug the zaurus in |
| 06:28:58 | kendrick2 | Aug 22 00:39:48 amiga kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/1, assigned device number 15 |
| 06:28:58 | kendrick2 | Aug 22 00:39:48 amiga /etc/hotplug/net.agent: invoke ifup usb0 |
| 06:28:58 | kendrick2 | Aug 22 00:39:48 amiga /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: ... no modules for USB product 4dd/8004/0 |
| 06:28:59 | kendrick2 | :( |
| 06:29:07 | Wembly | yea |
| 06:29:10 | Wembly | the no modules.. |
| 06:29:13 | Wembly | is for custom modules |
| 06:29:21 | kendrick2 | ifup: interface usb0 already configured |
| 06:29:21 | Wembly | not already in the modules dir or somesuch |
| 06:29:28 | scanline | cool... 143k for xchat, and no external library dependencies |
| 06:29:34 | Wembly | ifconfig shows that? |
| 06:29:37 | Wembly | err |
| 06:29:41 | Wembly | does ifconfig also show that? |
| 06:29:43 | kendrick2 | ifup usb0 shows it |
| 06:29:48 | Wembly | yea i know |
| 06:29:49 | kendrick2 | ifconfig shows ubs0 w/ 192.168.129.200! :) |
| 06:29:55 | kendrick2 | i need to reconfig Network & Sync on the Z |
| 06:29:56 | Wembly | k |
| 06:30:10 | Wembly | now... |
| 06:30:17 | Wembly | there is no nat or anything. |
| 06:31:01 | kendrick2 | i suppose i need to add a usb-tcp/ip entry? :) |
| 06:31:17 | Wembly | yea i guess hehe |
| 06:31:19 | Wembly | im on oz :) |
| 06:31:24 | kendrick2 | it's seriously been a while :) |
| 06:31:37 | Wembly | if you want nat... |
| 06:31:47 | Wembly | ill tell ya what to add to your interfaces file. |
| 06:31:48 | kendrick2 | "Please wait..." :( |
| 06:32:03 | kendrick2 | maybe i shoulda specified TCP/IP stuff explicitly? |
| 06:32:29 | kendrick2 | ah - there it goes.. me Switches |
| 06:32:32 | NeoTron | cooolio |
| 06:32:39 | NeoTron | seems like I got my new build script working |
| 06:33:25 | Wembly | if you have a dhcpd server on your host machine |
| 06:33:31 | Wembly | you can set that up too |
| 06:33:43 | kendrick2 | no dhcpd |
| 06:33:49 | Wembly | k |
| 06:33:55 | Wembly | oh |
| 06:34:08 | Wembly | i found you might wanta add a 'pre-up sleep 2' |
| 06:34:11 | Wembly | for the usb0 entry |
| 06:34:35 | kendrick2 | what should i set bcast to in Network & Sync for this USB entry? 192.168.129.255? |
| 06:34:42 | kendrick2 | and gateway should be .200 (desktop) right? |
| 06:34:46 | NeoTron | it builds the dependecies and itself - including demo versions and other languages. it then, if I want it to, zips up the file with its dependencies |
| 06:34:52 | Wembly | yep and yep |
| 06:34:56 | kendrick2 | hey neo, long time |
| 06:35:16 | NeoTron | indeed |
| 06:35:16 | Wembly | neotron: whats this for? |
| 06:35:22 | NeoTron | Wembly: building all my stuff |
| 06:35:34 | Wembly | all your stuff being?... |
| 06:35:37 | treke|ho1e | eh fuck the challenge. I want sleep |
| 06:35:43 | NeoTron | Wembly: all at eongames.com |
| 06:35:50 | Wembly | oohh! |
| 06:35:53 | Wembly | funfun :) |
| 06:36:04 | kendrick2 | nite treke |
| 06:36:12 | Wembly | nini |
| 06:36:12 | kendrick2 | hey! i'm pinging! |
| 06:36:14 | treke|ho1e | nite |
| 06:36:15 | kendrick2 | I'M PINGING! |
| 06:36:17 | kendrick2 | thanks wembly! |
| 06:36:25 | Wembly | np :) |
| 06:36:33 | Wembly | dont expect an inet connection tho hehe |
| 06:36:47 | Wembly | if you want that you'll need NAT :) |
| 06:36:57 | scanline | hey wow.. that simulated zaurus of me even simulates an annoying bug in the touchscreen driver.. now I can fix it easily |
| 06:37:01 | scanline | s/me/mine/ |
| 06:37:15 | kendrick2 | yeah yeah |
| 06:37:20 | kendrick2 | i've got my CF eth card and a hub for that |
| 06:37:29 | Wembly | scanline: how'd you get a simulated zaurus? |
| 06:37:34 | Wembly | l |
| 06:37:36 | Wembly | err k |
| 06:37:37 | scanline | Wembly: it's part of picogui |
| 06:37:37 | Wembly | good luck :) |
| 06:37:49 | Wembly | scanline: how simulated is it? |
| 06:37:59 | Wembly | just a virtual fb? |
| 06:38:04 | Wembly | type thing? |
| 06:38:18 | NeoTron | Wembly: in either case, it greatly simplifies the building process |
| 06:38:22 | NeoTron | and it's cool. :)\ |
| 06:38:27 | kendrick2 | mmm.. vnc over USB :) |
| 06:38:30 | Wembly | neotron: spiffy! :) |
| 06:38:33 | scanline | Wembly: it's simulated at the GUI level.. so the apps and stuff still run natively, but it simulates the hardware buttons, and things like not getting mouse move events when the button isn't down, etc. |
| 06:38:33 | Wembly | hehehe |
| 06:38:50 | Wembly | scanline: ahh :) |
| 06:39:28 | scanline | Wembly: wouln't be hard to make it send real touchscreen events instead of mouse events, so you'd even need to calibrate it :) |
| 06:39:40 | kendrick2 | which image viewer is it that does thumbnails? |
| 06:39:45 | kendrick2 | is it a tkc product? or |
| 06:40:20 | Wembly | scanline: *shrug* |
| 06:40:41 | kendrick2 | odd - i have trouble clicking tabs in the launcher via vnc |
| 06:40:44 | kendrick2 | oh well... |
| 06:40:46 | kendrick2 | i need to go to bed |
| 06:41:19 | kendrick2 | thx again wembly! |
| 06:41:29 | kendrick2 | cya guys! |
| 06:41:32 | Wembly | np :) |
| 06:41:34 | Wembly | good luck |
| 06:41:35 | kendrick2 | :) |
| 06:41:38 | scanline | Wembly: how goes the toolchain? |
| 06:41:39 | Wembly | needs more bandwidth |
| 06:41:48 | Wembly | horridly |
| 06:41:55 | scanline | doh |
| 06:42:00 | Wembly | i resorted to useing precompiled ones from emdebian |
| 06:42:11 | scanline | does it still not work? |
| 06:42:20 | Wembly | well the kernel compiled just fine. |
| 06:42:27 | Wembly | but im downloading junk now |
| 06:42:32 | Wembly | last time i tried with this.. |
| 06:42:32 | scanline | ah |
| 06:42:35 | scanline | buildroot doest hat |
| 06:42:36 | Wembly | the ld segfaulted. |
| 06:42:36 | scanline | err, that |
| 06:42:41 | scanline | oh.. |
| 06:42:43 | scanline | I had the same problem :) |
| 06:42:52 | Wembly | what was your solution? |
| 06:42:56 | Wembly | dont do it? hehe |
| 06:42:56 | scanline | downgrade binutils |
| 06:43:07 | Wembly | *laugh* |
| 06:43:40 | scanline | the toolchain at arm.linux.co.uk worked fine out of the box, but I had these same problems when compiling them myself on my PPC machine |
| 06:43:54 | scanline | not many people make binary toolchains for PPCs... |
| 06:44:13 | Wembly | emdebian has ppc toolchain actually. |
| 06:44:19 | scanline | oh |
| 06:44:20 | scanline | that's neat |
| 06:44:23 | Wembly | what version? |
| 06:44:26 | Wembly | in .deb format |
| 06:44:34 | Wembly | with a debian feed type thingie. |
| 06:44:41 | scanline | I forget.. it was the one just below the newest version |
| 06:44:44 | Wembly | 2.9.5.0.37-1e3 |
| 06:44:54 | scanline | checks |
| 06:45:11 | scanline | 2.12 |
| 06:45:30 | Wembly | thats the ver you have? |
| 06:45:35 | scanline | that's it |
| 06:45:37 | scanline | 2.12 |
| 06:45:41 | scanline | 2.13 is what segfaulted |
| 06:45:48 | Wembly | herm |
| 06:45:53 | Wembly | perhaps 2.12 is the sweet spot ;) |
| 06:46:06 | Wembly | we'll see if this darn thing ever finishes |
| 06:46:08 | scanline | they prolly just didnt' test 2.13 on ARM enough |
| 06:46:49 | Wembly | well its cross compiling... |
| 06:47:01 | Wembly | or cross binutiling... :) |
| 06:47:11 | scanline | :) |
| 06:47:31 | scanline | cross-binning.. sounds like something you'd do to confuse secretaries |
| 06:47:44 | Elkay | 4AM? fuck. |
| 06:52:30 | DaWorm | lol 4pm here |
| 06:55:37 | reg | localtime folks |
| 06:55:45 | Wembly | oh crap |
| 06:55:48 | Wembly | mental note |
| 06:56:00 | Wembly | do not compile and play graphically intentive 3d game at same time |
| 06:56:28 | reg | ouch, that might go terribly wrong |
| 06:58:38 | VerxHome | well |
| 06:58:52 | VerxHome | I think I finally have my Z configured enough that I am willing to go to bed now |
| 06:58:59 | VerxHome | only took me 12 hours |
| 07:01:17 | reg | sleep well and dream of happy hours with your Z |
| 07:02:00 | VerxHome | I shall. :) |
| 07:02:31 | scanline | 2:00 AM here |
| 07:02:38 | VerxHome | 1am here |
| 07:02:49 | reg | 10 am here |
| 07:03:03 | reg | but I don't feel as awake as I should at that time of day |
| 07:03:15 | scanline | time zones are fun |
| 07:03:45 | scanline | means that when I'm on IRC at 4 AM I'm not quite completely surrounded with other loonies that stay up late :) |
| 07:06:32 | gurok | Hi, ne1 know where I can get apt for zaurus? |
| 07:08:40 | Wembly | gurok: apt for zaurus? |
| 07:08:48 | Wembly | i dont think there exists such a thing |
| 07:11:02 | scanline | gurok: http://intimate.handhelds.org |
| 07:12:16 | gurok | thanks.. in and out of signal here,sorry for delays |
| 07:13:35 | scanline | np |
| 07:17:58 | cdm | hurm. |
| 07:18:06 | cdm | I understand that AmigaOS would make a great PDA. |
| 07:18:09 | cdm | <snicker> |
| 07:18:26 | Wembly | throws a amiga at cdm |
| 07:18:42 | cdm | Wembly: where you here last night? |
| 07:18:45 | Wembly | theres your pda :) |
| 07:18:48 | Wembly | yes :) heheh |
| 07:19:02 | Wembly | *shows lotsa affection for cdm* |
| 07:19:44 | cdm | ;) |
| 07:20:02 | Wembly | hehe |
| 07:20:05 | Wembly | anyhow |
| 07:20:07 | Wembly | im going to kill this stupid thing |
| 07:20:16 | Wembly | cus iv spent all week trying to figure it out and failing horridly. |
| 07:26:41 | kolla | cdm: any chance to see rtp boot on an ibm T23 anytime soon |
| 07:26:41 | kolla | ? |
| 07:27:22 | kolla | in a working fashion that is |
| 07:27:41 | scanline | thinks it's funny that some people see multiple filesystem roots as a benefit |
| 07:28:04 | kolla | well, it is |
| 07:28:08 | scanline | lol |
| 07:28:14 | kolla | truly |
| 07:28:17 | scanline | It was always a pain in DOS |
| 07:28:26 | scanline | you have separate roots that you have to have lots of special case code for |
| 07:28:27 | kolla | DOS was always a pain you mean |
| 07:28:41 | kolla | only on lame arsed designs |
| 07:28:52 | scanline | DOS was a pain in general, but there was a lot of that caused directly by a multi-root filesystem |
| 07:29:12 | scanline | anyway... you can have your multiple roots in the Church of Amiga, but I like my UNIX-ish filesystem |
| 07:29:18 | kolla | that's beacuase they didnt have virtual volumes |
| 07:29:34 | scanline | so it's something like MacOS <= 9 used, right? |
| 07:29:43 | kolla | for instance so that _any_ program can refer to the program it is launched from as PROGDIR: |
| 07:29:49 | cdm | T23? What is that? |
| 07:29:53 | kolla | and that _all_ libs will be avaible in LIBS: |
| 07:30:06 | kolla | cdm: IBM ThinkPad |
| 07:30:12 | scanline | kolla: how's that better than environment variables? |
| 07:30:22 | cdm | kolla: and what is special about that vs any other machine? |
| 07:30:30 | kolla | cdm: no idea |
| 07:30:38 | cdm | kolla: does it not run? |
| 07:30:42 | kolla | that's an issue between QSSL and IBM |
| 07:30:54 | kolla | sure, but nothing is supported |
| 07:30:57 | kolla | make it work :) |
| 07:31:00 | cdm | what is in side of it? |
| 07:31:18 | kolla | some electronics I can imagine :) |
| 07:31:22 | cdm | bah |
| 07:31:51 | kolla | scan: because it is consistant all the way |
| 07:31:59 | kolla | and visible for the user |
| 07:32:25 | scanline | kolla: does your IRC client not support tab completion? |
| 07:32:32 | kolla | yes |
| 07:32:36 | kolla | scanline: |
| 07:32:41 | scanline | kolla: :P |
| 07:33:00 | kolla | ? |
| 07:33:33 | cdm | kolla: What isn't supported? |
| 07:34:08 | kolla | cdm: keyboard and mouse it appears |
| 07:34:24 | kolla | so it's not really usable |
| 07:34:37 | kolla | just looking at it doesnt make much sense to me |
| 07:34:49 | scanline | aren't the kb and mouse just PS/2 devices? |
| 07:35:03 | kolla | according to all other systems, yes |
| 07:35:11 | cdm | kolla: What are you using version wise? |
| 07:35:40 | kolla | whatever was the latest avaible about 4 weeks ago |
| 07:35:45 | kolla | from download |
| 07:35:46 | kolla | iso |
| 07:35:54 | cdm | 200M ish |
| 07:36:56 | cdm | or bigger or smaller? |
| 07:37:10 | cdm | I assume if you tell it not to boot into Photon you can type? |
| 07:37:48 | kolla | not sure, I can try later today |
| 07:39:12 | cdm | How big was the ISO you downloaded? |
| 07:43:33 | kolla | dont remember.. let's see |
| 07:44:46 | kolla | 195.1 MB? :) |
| 07:47:01 | kolla | no, hang on... |
| 07:47:08 | kolla | it was probably the 6.1 CD |
| 08:04:34 | kolla | pours some cold water over kergoth`zzz |
| 08:06:58 | Onyx4 | sugar make me a black cofee |
| 08:06:59 | Sugar | pours some black cofee from a machine into a cup, adds a cookie and hands it to Onyx4. |
| 08:07:05 | Onyx4 | thanks! |
| 08:07:21 | Wembly | heehhe |
| 08:07:22 | Wembly | cute :) |
| 08:07:41 | Wembly | and a cookie to boot! :) |
| 08:08:27 | Wembly | tosses around girlscout cookies (the choclate covered mint ones) |
| 08:08:53 | Onyx4 | sugar I need a margarita |
| 08:09:06 | Onyx4 | sugar make me a margarita !!! |
| 08:09:06 | Sugar | rubs the rim of a cocktail glass with lemon or lime rind and dip in salt then shakes ingredients with ice and strain into salt rimmed glass and serves it to Onyx4. |
| 08:09:19 | Onyx4 | hehe that's better |
| 08:11:54 | scanline | Sugar where'd I put my blueberry yogurt? |
| 08:30:17 | kolla | cdm: btw.. vms also has multiple roots, so it must be Great :) |
| 08:40:44 | | DaWorm: huh? |
| 08:40:44 | DaWorm | ibot qpsword |
| 08:40:47 | DaWorm | hrrmm |
| 08:40:50 | | DaWorm: i'm not following you... |
| 08:40:50 | DaWorm | ibot QPSword |
| 08:40:54 | DaWorm | figures |
| 08:41:02 | | i am "the" bot around or confused. |
| 08:41:02 | DaWorm | ibot ibot |
| 08:47:43 | Wembly | omg |
| 08:47:48 | Wembly | it didnt coredump |
| 08:59:20 | imm | hi |
| 09:02:43 | George- | heya |
| 09:04:16 | | Onyx4: what? |
| 09:04:16 | Onyx4 | ibot: last seen harlekin |
| 09:04:26 | | harlekin was last seen on #opie 11 hours, 37 minutes and 47 seconds ago, saying: n8 [Wed Aug 21 22:26:39 2002] |
| 09:04:26 | George- | ibot seen harlekin |
| 09:04:28 | George- | =P |
| 09:04:35 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 09:05:41 | Onyx4 | well time for bed I guess, bye |
| 09:12:02 | imm | any news on the beta test front ? |
| 09:12:12 | Wembly | beta test? |
| 09:12:15 | Wembly | of what? |
| 09:12:21 | warmi | hi |
| 09:12:28 | kybu | warmi |
| 09:12:37 | imm | the challenge i meant |
| 09:12:42 | George- | heya warmi |
| 09:12:48 | Wembly | what challenge? |
| 09:12:56 | George- | warmi: Is there a " key on the Zaurus' keyboard? |
| 09:13:05 | | challenge is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 09:13:05 | imm | ibot challenge |
| 09:13:10 | George- | uh wait |
| 09:13:12 | George- | I found it |
| 09:13:17 | George- | in a really stupid place :) |
| 09:13:46 | warmi | I am sure there is ... :-) |
| 09:13:51 | George- | yeh |
| 09:13:54 | warmi | but I have no clue how to get it to show up |
| 09:13:59 | George- | it's next to the stupid space bar |
| 09:14:04 | warmi | ok |
| 09:14:13 | George- | heh |
| 09:15:23 | warmi | KDE 3.0.3 is sweet |
| 09:15:34 | DaWorm | boy this qpsword is nice |
| 09:16:02 | warmi | especially .NET style |
| 09:16:10 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 09:17:39 | George- | warmi: ARGH! .NET |
| 09:17:41 | George- | ;) |
| 09:17:44 | George- | It's dotNET, not .NET! |
| 09:17:47 | George- | ;) |
| 09:17:48 | kolla | why would anyone want to win a 5000D? |
| 09:17:54 | kolla | when there is 5500 |
| 09:17:55 | warmi | I don't know why they called it net |
| 09:18:01 | George- | kolla: Because they're stuck with a Palm m125? |
| 09:18:02 | warmi | it is very nice , "light" style |
| 09:18:08 | George- | kolla: not everyone can _afford_ a 5500 |
| 09:18:13 | George- | points to self |
| 09:18:30 | George- | warmi: it's called dotNET because it's based upon the M$ .NET style |
| 09:18:35 | George- | (no kidding) |
| 09:18:40 | DaWorm | no kidding |
| 09:18:49 | warmi | George-: well, then it looks I like this new MS .NET style |
| 09:18:56 | George- | lol |
| 09:18:59 | George- | k :) |
| 09:20:20 | George- | I've just been told that I suffer from "Asperger Syndrome" cos I told some loser than Linux was better than BSD :0 |
| 09:20:26 | George- | :) |
| 09:20:43 | Wembly | wtf is that? |
| 09:20:53 | DaWorm | asperger? |
| 09:20:58 | George- | It's apparently a brain disorder |
| 09:21:03 | George- | lol |
| 09:21:06 | DaWorm | lol |
| 09:21:25 | kolla | George-: oh.. didnt think of that :) |
| 09:21:39 | kolla | thinks they should rather give away a 5500 though |
| 09:21:58 | George- | kolla: Sniper couldn't get hold of 5500s |
| 09:22:00 | DaWorm | well maybe thsy have excess 5000 |
| 09:22:01 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 09:22:03 | Wembly | they probly have tons of 5000d's |
| 09:22:03 | kolla | on the other hand, developers should have limited resources, hehe |
| 09:22:14 | DaWorm | there's this guy today |
| 09:22:23 | DaWorm | who shoed a box full of zaurus pdas |
| 09:22:23 | George- | DaWorm: not tons |
| 09:22:24 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 09:22:33 | DaWorm | showed |
| 09:22:34 | DaWorm | hmm |
| 09:22:36 | George- | DaWorm: Sniper accidently signed up too many people than he had 5000Ds :) |
| 09:22:36 | Wembly | daworm: not just today |
| 09:22:37 | George- | lol |
| 09:22:41 | DaWorm | where the heck is that pic |
| 09:22:49 | George- | DaWorm: it's MarkNovak |
| 09:22:51 | George- | he's a retard |
| 09:22:53 | DaWorm | yeah yeah |
| 09:22:56 | DaWorm | indeed |
| 09:23:12 | DaWorm | i guess he's been doing that for a while |
| 09:23:16 | DaWorm | and i just noticed today |
| 09:23:17 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 09:23:37 | | marknovak is a flash designer and as such should be castrated (see macromedia flash) |
| 09:23:37 | George- | ibot marknovak |
| 09:23:42 | | macromedia flash is probably a piece of shit and anyone that uses it should be castrated... |
| 09:23:42 | George- | ibot macromedia flash |
| 09:23:42 | warmi | George-your editor works great |
| 09:23:45 | cxm | Spencer/Sniper isn't ehre is he? I wanted to say thanks cos the laptop has arrived... |
| 09:23:47 | George- | warmi: you like it? |
| 09:23:50 | DaWorm | hehhee |
| 09:23:59 | warmi | the only thing is that ipkg won't install in CF/SD |
| 09:24:03 | George- | cxm: what laptop? ;) |
| 09:24:05 | warmi | yeah, I really liked it |
| 09:24:13 | George- | Cam__: Was it the 600MHz ULV one? |
| 09:24:13 | Cam__ | the competition prize |
| 09:24:19 | George- | warmi: cool |
| 09:24:27 | George- | warmi: do you think it classifies as a Beta? |
| 09:24:28 | DaWorm | what editor? |
| 09:24:33 | warmi | of course |
| 09:24:35 | Cam__ | It's a PC-AR50 850MHz with 1400x1040 screen and CDRW |
| 09:24:40 | Cam__ | v nice |
| 09:24:42 | George- | Cam__: cool |
| 09:24:46 | George- | nice screen :) |
| 09:24:59 | George- | I'm stuck on 1152x768 :( |
| 09:25:19 | warmi | Cam__: man .. I love that laptop |
| 09:25:25 | warmi | it is so thin and slick |
| 09:25:36 | Wembly | warmi: what laptop is this? |
| 09:25:41 | George- | warmi should have won! |
| 09:25:43 | George- | With puzz-le |
| 09:25:45 | George- | :( |
| 09:25:55 | warmi | Sharp laptop .. I saw one of these in my local computer store |
| 09:26:03 | Wembly | spiffs |
| 09:26:04 | George- | they're a bit plain for me |
| 09:26:11 | DaWorm | oh i should buy puzz-le |
| 09:26:17 | George- | They lack the style of the apple notebooks :) |
| 09:26:20 | DaWorm | but i keep on forgetting |
| 09:26:21 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 09:26:25 | Wembly | pfft |
| 09:26:28 | DaWorm | and ppl i know say its fun |
| 09:26:36 | Wembly | a nice laptop that is less then 3lb's is my type. |
| 09:26:51 | warmi | heh |
| 09:26:56 | Cam__ | warmi It's not the thin one |
| 09:27:04 | George- | Wembly: lol, mine's 5.1 lb |
| 09:27:12 | warmi | Cam__: ah ok .. |
| 09:27:17 | Cam__ | this one actually looks like a powerbook - it has a blue case and white keyboard |
| 09:27:17 | Wembly | eek |
| 09:27:23 | Cam__ | it has firewire too |
| 09:27:27 | George- | Cam__: kewl |
| 09:27:32 | George- | Cam__: does it have DVD? |
| 09:27:32 | Wembly | mmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 09:27:32 | warmi | I am sure it is cool |
| 09:27:34 | Wembly | firewire |
| 09:28:06 | George- | warmi: are you SURE the html editor is a beta? |
| 09:28:14 | George- | warmi: I'm frightened to submit it! |
| 09:28:21 | warmi | yeah, it worked for me |
| 09:28:24 | warmi | oh come on |
| 09:28:59 | warmi | it is not like sniper will hunt you down and beat the hell out of you if something goes wrong anyway .. |
| 09:29:06 | George- | lol |
| 09:29:09 | George- | lmao |
| 09:30:57 | warmi | no, seriously .. your editor is working |
| 09:30:58 | warmi | I don't know what 's the problem |
| 09:31:13 | George- | hrmm |
| 09:31:20 | George- | check the errata :) |
| 09:31:33 | George- | Help -> Errata |
| 09:32:32 | warmi | ok |
| 09:33:11 | warmi | ah ok |
| 09:33:16 | warmi | still, it is beta right |
| 09:33:27 | scan[z] | tries cross-compiling xchat... |
| 09:33:29 | George- | :) |
| 09:33:34 | warmi | the point is that it does work with some slight exceptions |
| 09:34:10 | warmi | and it does highlight |
| 09:34:39 | warmi | George-are you running KDE 3.0.3 ? |
| 09:34:43 | George- | warmi: no |
| 09:34:46 | George- | warmi: I'm still on 2.2.1 |
| 09:35:02 | George- | the highlighting is _strange_ :) |
| 09:35:09 | warmi | I like 3.0.3 so much I will become like a KDE messiah ... wandering the net and preaching about how great it is |
| 09:35:16 | George- | I dunno if i'll be able to get a final release out in the dead line, though :( |
| 09:35:43 | George- | I'm going back to school (boarding school) on sep 3rd |
| 09:35:44 | warmi | how much time you got ? |
| 09:35:49 | George- | and I'm not taking the laptops with me |
| 09:35:55 | warmi | why not ? |
| 09:36:04 | George- | Well, er... |
| 09:36:11 | George- | Put it down to bad school reports |
| 09:36:21 | George- | "George spends too long on the computer" was like in every report |
| 09:36:21 | George- | heh |
| 09:36:25 | warmi | ah ok |
| 09:36:42 | warmi | they do have their own computer labs etc right ? |
| 09:36:47 | George- | yes |
| 09:36:49 | George- | but it's all win2k |
| 09:36:53 | warmi | so there you go |
| 09:36:54 | warmi | hehe |
| 09:36:55 | George- | not a linux box in sight |
| 09:36:59 | George- | except for the mailserver |
| 09:37:08 | George- | and the proxy server |
| 09:37:09 | scanline | smuggle in some debian boot CDs! |
| 09:37:12 | warmi | ah |
| 09:37:13 | warmi | hehe |
| 09:37:20 | George- | heh, the demo live cd :) |
| 09:37:34 | George- | actually, I might take the laptop |
| 09:37:46 | George- | but I've got public examinations this year, and I don't wanna totally fuck them up |
| 09:38:09 | warmi | is that like a midterm exam or something like that ? |
| 09:38:15 | warmi | or perhaps even final exam ? |
| 09:38:19 | George- | no |
| 09:38:26 | George- | I have final internal exams this term ;) |
| 09:38:38 | George- | but next year (same academic year) I have GCSEs |
| 09:38:45 | warmi | ok |
| 09:39:02 | warmi | must be some sort of UK-weirdness |
| 09:39:03 | warmi | heeh |
| 09:39:03 | George- | I'll have to talk to Sniper ;) |
| 09:39:57 | warmi | you will have more than one week left to create final ipk |
| 09:40:07 | George- | yeh |
| 09:40:13 | George- | but i'm going away tomorrow for 3 days |
| 09:40:19 | George- | no computer is ALLOWED to go with me |
| 09:40:22 | George- | I tried... ;) |
| 09:40:35 | warmi | you taking your Z with you to school ? |
| 09:40:39 | George- | maybe |
| 09:40:53 | George- | I can't really spend 6 hours coding on a Z, I'd go bezerk ;) |
| 09:40:58 | warmi | yeah I know |
| 09:41:53 | warmi | I f*** up my sleep patterns last night |
| 09:42:05 | warmi | I went to bed at 6 pm |
| 09:42:07 | George- | Yeh I know =P |
| 09:42:08 | George- | LOL |
| 09:42:09 | warmi | and got up at 4 am |
| 09:42:15 | warmi | now is 5:47 |
| 09:42:21 | warmi | but that's close enough |
| 09:42:33 | George- | hahahahahahaha |
| 09:42:54 | warmi | well, it was worth it |
| 09:43:03 | warmi | KDE 3.0.3 is truly great |
| 09:43:17 | George- | You like KDE 3.0.3? |
| 09:43:30 | Cam__ | bfn |
| 09:43:43 | warmi | did you see that message > |
| 09:43:53 | warmi | I like 3.0.3 so much I will become like a KDE messiah ... wandering the net and preaching about |
| 09:43:54 | warmi | how great it is |
| 09:43:58 | George- | Shall I submit my app.... |
| 09:43:59 | George- | ponders |
| 09:44:01 | scanline | xchat-picogui: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (ARM), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 09:44:03 | scanline | yay |
| 09:44:21 | warmi | scanline that is a lie |
| 09:44:22 | kybu | :> |
| 09:44:27 | warmi | it is not xchat anymore |
| 09:44:32 | scanline | huh? |
| 09:44:39 | warmi | well, it is not X |
| 09:44:46 | scanline | yeah, but it's still xchat |
| 09:44:58 | warmi | did you modify it yourself |
| 09:45:04 | scanline | xchat code is very modular... |
| 09:45:07 | warmi | or do you have soem sort of compatibility layer ? |
| 09:45:20 | George- | xchat-picogui!??!?! |
| 09:45:32 | scanline | Xchat separates the GUI from the rest.. I mean it ships with both gtk and text frontends :P |
| 09:45:38 | George- | any screenshots??!?!?!?!?!! |
| 09:45:42 | warmi | if it is so modular perhaps it wouldn't be so hard to make it work on the Zaurus |
| 09:45:44 | scanline | LoneTech did the initial port, I'm just modifying it to work on the Z |
| 09:45:53 | scanline | George-: yes, lots at picogui.org |
| 09:45:56 | George- | ok |
| 09:45:56 | warmi | I mean Qtopia zaurus |
| 09:46:02 | scanline | Yeah, should be easy to make a Qt frontend as well |
| 09:46:13 | George- | maybe I could do that :) |
| 09:46:24 | warmi | George-: send you beta away and stop worrying about it :-) |
| 09:46:25 | scanline | it's not the smallest IRC client by any means, but it's not too big for the Z (150k) and it's nicely modular |
| 09:46:27 | warmi | it is working |
| 09:46:40 | warmi | scanline: 150K is small |
| 09:46:41 | George- | warmi: hah |
| 09:46:48 | George- | warmi: I'm a perfectionist :( |
| 09:46:48 | scanline | warmi: not that small... |
| 09:46:53 | warmi | and xchat is not barebone client either |
| 09:47:02 | warmi | George-: well, iti s almost perfect |
| 09:47:02 | warmi | hehe |
| 09:47:15 | George- | hah |
| 09:47:19 | George- | but it's not _perfect_ :) |
| 09:47:40 | George- | the code is friggin' awful, though |
| 09:47:49 | George- | to do that syntax highlighting |
| 09:48:04 | warmi | I thought it was part of the editor widget |
| 09:48:17 | warmi | you mean that widget is awfully written ? |
| 09:48:51 | George- | scanline: that font is unbelievably SMALL :) |
| 09:48:56 | warmi | scanline: did you get any sleep since we talked yesterday ? |
| 09:48:58 | George- | no |
| 09:49:08 | George- | My way of handling the widget to do the syntax highlighting is awful |
| 09:49:12 | scanline | George-: it could use antialiasing |
| 09:49:14 | scanline | warmi: yes |
| 09:49:40 | scanline | George-: that's not the default font btw, I just wanted to cram in more text at readability's expense |
| 09:49:47 | George- | lol |
| 09:49:54 | George- | k |
| 09:50:00 | George- | maybe I should run picogui on my psion once again :) |
| 09:50:20 | scanline | someone told me there's a picogui ipk for the psion.. I dunno how good it is |
| 09:50:29 | George- | it's crap |
| 09:50:32 | George- | *g* |
| 09:50:34 | scanline | hehe |
| 09:50:45 | George- | Tader got it working |
| 09:50:58 | George- | and he fell in love with the aqua theme, heh |
| 09:50:58 | scan[z] | I helped :) |
| 09:51:06 | George- | you helped? =P |
| 09:51:25 | George- | I'm just the moron that got qt sorta working on the Psion ;) |
| 09:51:31 | scan[z] | Yeah, I added support for the Psion's video mode (it uses a weird nibble-swapped 4bpp mode) |
| 09:51:36 | George- | Qt/E + Opie on a 36MHz ARM is CRAP |
| 09:51:42 | scan[z] | hehe, I'd bet so |
| 09:51:50 | George- | yeh, the fb is strange |
| 09:52:01 | George- | You need to skip the first 32bytes or something |
| 09:52:06 | scan[z] | Tader wrote the touchscree driver and everything else |
| 09:52:08 | warmi | somebody said something about qte being crap ? |
| 09:52:09 | warmi | hehehe |
| 09:52:12 | scan[z] | yeah, I remember that... |
| 09:52:15 | George- | warmi: hah |
| 09:52:31 | George- | warmi: try it on a 36MHz ARM 710T CPU |
| 09:52:32 | warmi | I could imagine .. running qte on 36 mhz cpu |
| 09:52:33 | George- | warmi: and die |
| 09:52:34 | warmi | that would do it |
| 09:52:39 | George- | ;) |
| 09:52:46 | George- | It's so damn slow |
| 09:52:58 | George- | esp. when it's only got 16MB RAM |
| 09:53:13 | scanline | only.. hehe |
| 09:53:32 | scanline | <geezer> back in my day, we had 32 bytes of RAM, and we liked it! </geezer> |
| 09:53:39 | George- | oh no |
| 09:53:42 | George- | nostalgia kicks in |
| 09:53:45 | George- | =P |
| 09:54:07 | warmi | well, we did ... 64 kb machine was considered pretty good ( like C-64) |
| 09:54:13 | scanline | hrm... qte doesn't restore the framebuffer if you kill it |
| 09:54:15 | George- | The comp that I ever used that had the lowest amount of ram was a 386SX 33MHz w/6MB RA |
| 09:54:16 | George- | M |
| 09:54:23 | scanline | stupid qte framebuffer driver... |
| 09:54:38 | George- | yeh it does |
| 09:55:04 | scanline | not if you use the kill command via ssh |
| 09:55:18 | George- | it does |
| 09:55:20 | George- | I've done it |
| 09:55:26 | George- | "killall qpe" |
| 09:55:29 | scanline | well, mine isn't... oh well |
| 09:55:34 | George- | lol |
| 09:55:53 | George- | I've had enough of coding for a while, I'm playing starcraft |
| 09:56:48 | warmi | scanline: you run picogui as your default desktop GUI ? |
