| 00:00:34 | warmi | but , the point is that qte so lib contains so much functionality it would take literally years to replace that |
| 00:00:37 | scanline | fidgets with his BIOS |
| 00:00:58 | warmi | and it pays of with 3rd party libs which don't come with its own bloated code for stuff that is already implemented in qte |
| 00:01:05 | KallDrexx | Anyone have any idea why qpe's detecting 7 or some other random number mouse clicks when i've only clicked twice? |
| 00:01:32 | MarkNovak | yes |
| 00:01:34 | Harlekin | KallDrexx: you pressed more then one pixel |
| 00:01:38 | MarkNovak | put it on a mouse pad |
| 00:02:17 | warmi | they are not random .. but it is true that stylus driver on the zaurus is fucked up badly |
| 00:02:22 | KallDrexx | Harlekin: oh... |
| 00:02:31 | warmi | it tends to send flood of events |
| 00:02:46 | Harlekin | warmi: actually thats not only zaurus |
| 00:02:46 | MarkNovak | im going to bed |
| 00:02:48 | Harlekin | its in qte |
| 00:02:49 | MarkNovak | guten nacht |
| 00:02:54 | warmi | try it on one of the Neo games .. press your stylus down and see frame rate going to hell |
| 00:03:15 | warmi | Harlekin : I think it is only in the driver itself on the zaurus |
| 00:03:38 | scanline | the zaurus ts driver acts like most other ts drivers I've seen |
| 00:03:44 | warmi | after all it is the driver that gets the first shot at that and should be able to filter this stuff accordingly |
| 00:04:04 | scanline | Qtopia's ts filtering needs work |
| 00:04:10 | warmi | well, if the driver filters out stuff properly then there is no problem right ? |
| 00:04:18 | warmi | I mean qte does not generate new events does it ? |
| 00:04:32 | scanline | you talking about the qte driver or kernel driver? |
| 00:04:32 | warmi | it only gets whatever is passed on by the driver |
| 00:04:39 | warmi | kernel driver |
| 00:04:47 | warmi | I am saying taht kernel driver is fucked up |
| 00:04:55 | scanline | No it isn't |
| 00:05:06 | scanline | all touchscreens work like that.. there's jitter in the signal |
| 00:05:13 | scanline | it's the qt driver's job to filter that out |
| 00:05:22 | warmi | yeah, but the driver role is to filet it out |
| 00:05:25 | warmi | why not driver ? |
| 00:05:32 | warmi | driver knows enough about that |
| 00:05:39 | warmi | there is no need to burden qt with that |
| 00:05:40 | warmi | hehe |
| 00:05:52 | scanline | Well, it's a fact that linux touchscreen drivers suck, there's no standard |
| 00:06:04 | scanline | but the Z's ts driver acts like every other one i've seen aside from the psion |
| 00:06:28 | scanline | since the kernel ts drivers are so varied, it becomes the GUI's job to do proper filtering |
| 00:06:48 | KallDrexx | OK , why is qpe detecting that i'm clickong on my unit BEFORE my unit is even shown on the canvas? |
| 00:07:05 | warmi | well, but having qtopia filter out the events is not a very good idea .. this will result in multiple processes doing the same code over and over again instead of this being handled on the kernel level |
| 00:07:09 | scanline | besides, to drop redundant events you need to know the calibration.. calibration is handled in userspace, so the kernel couldn't do any useful event filtering |
| 00:07:32 | scanline | Optimally there would be a system in the kernel to handle filtering and calibration |
| 00:07:39 | scanline | but for now it's Qtopia's job to do it right, and it isn't |
| 00:07:45 | warmi | so you are saying that qte drivers for that are braind dead ? |
| 00:07:59 | warmi | I wonder how does pikogui handle that |
| 00:08:02 | warmi | hehe |
| 00:08:03 | scanline | not that they're brain dead, just that they need better filtering |
| 00:08:40 | warmi | yeah .. perhaps you are right |
| 00:08:49 | scanline | warmi: PicoGUI has a pretty good touchscreen system. It uses calibration and filtering code based on the filtering in the VR3, so it's nice and smooth. There's also a standard calibration interface so that you need very little code to support different types of touchscreens |
| 00:08:49 | warmi | if there is not way to pass calibration info to the driver |
| 00:08:58 | warmi | then it would be qte role to filter it out |
| 00:09:05 | scanline | warmi: some drivers, like the old Tuxscreen driver.. but no recent ones I've seen |
| 00:09:22 | zaurus | anyone here got a zaurus workoing with a barscanner>? |
| 00:10:19 | scanline | warmi: the Psion driver is pretty cool, but that's because it does calibration in hardware :) |
| 00:10:22 | warmi | well, the point is that , as it is now, zaurus filtering sucks |
| 00:10:39 | warmi | all one has to do is just play around with a scrollbar widget |
| 00:10:50 | warmi | and it becomes painfully apparent , this still needs work |
| 00:10:56 | scanline | warmi: maybe once I get PicoGUI and OZ playing nice with each other you could try picogui's filtering.. it's pretty sweet IMHO |
| 00:11:54 | DrBoB | those Brits make some damn robust and eccentric camputing gear |
| 00:11:58 | prpplague | argh, i broke the @#$@# out of my oz build with a cvs update |
| 00:12:02 | KallDrexx | anyone REALLY good at qt? i need some major help here |
| 00:12:05 | KallDrexx | Teax: !!!! |
| 00:12:08 | KallDrexx | +) |
| 00:12:14 | warmi | scanline what's the problem with OZ + Pico ? |
| 00:12:30 | warmi | kergoth said OZ is basically Debian ARM distro on steroids |
| 00:12:33 | scanline | warmi: nothing really, I just need to finish the .mk's to set up a usable environment |
| 00:12:38 | warmi | ah ok |
| 00:12:44 | warmi | final touches |
| 00:12:45 | Teax | KallDrexx: hi |
| 00:12:45 | warmi | heh |
| 00:12:55 | scanline | warmi: there were some touchscreen and keyboard bugs since I ripped out and redid the input layer in picogui, but I think I've got those mostly fixed |
| 00:13:23 | scanline | warmi: PicoGUI's launcher and such still needs a lot of work.. so it won't really be usable, but just as usable as it gets |
| 00:13:25 | KallDrexx | Teax: hey I have a quesiton. Why when I click on my "buttons" (just QCanvasSprites with a differnet RTTI) is it saying i'm clicking on aunit, which has been created but isnt' show()'n |
| 00:13:45 | warmi | scanline is there C++ wrapper for Pico ? |
| 00:13:54 | warmi | or does anyone work on one at this point ? |
| 00:14:16 | scanline | warmi: not yet.. echristi was working on one but I think now that he has a job at HP it makes open source coding difficult for him |
| 00:14:27 | scanline | warmi: since PIcoGUI's client is language-neutral we don't use wrappers :) |
| 00:15:09 | warmi | scanline well, you can't be language neutral :-) .. meaning you communicate thru some sort of marshalling ? |
| 00:15:11 | warmi | like rpc ? |
| 00:15:31 | KallDrexx | Teax: and also, when I click on the background of the canvas, it seems to give it an id of 12344 or whatever my unit RTTI is (even if I change it!!!) and gives me some wierd ID number that I didn't set (huge number too) |
| 00:15:45 | Teax | KallDrexx: sorry i can't answer i never used qcanvas |
| 00:15:53 | scanline | warmi: it's a lot like the way fresco works, but without the CORBA... the server is written in C, the protocol is documented. So any language you want to use on the client just needs a client library. |
| 00:15:57 | KallDrexx | **** |
| 00:16:04 | warmi | yeah ... I see now .. |
| 00:16:10 | warmi | use either TCP/IP or Unix sockets |
| 00:16:13 | warmi | isn't it a bit slow ? |
| 00:16:26 | warmi | after all, even X moved on to shared memory these days |
| 00:16:37 | scanline | warmi: no.. X still uses unix sockets |
| 00:17:06 | scanline | warmi: PicoGUi's protocol operates at a much higher level than X, so network overhead isn't a really big deal. Shared memory is supported for bitmaps, and in the future there will be other IPC methods supported |
| 00:17:18 | warmi | well, at least my AcceleratedX uses shared memory |
| 00:17:19 | warmi | ah ok .. |
| 00:17:29 | warmi | right .. you are operating on widget level |
| 00:17:37 | warmi | not event leve |
| 00:17:38 | scanline | so the client/server layer is a lot like X, but on a widget level instead of a primitive level |
| 00:17:57 | jbwiv | if I have two widgets, say a QMultiLineEdit and a QMenuBar, would the proper way to display both be to wrap them in a QFrame and set the QFrame object as the main widget? |
| 00:17:57 | warmi | believe it or not .. |
| 00:18:11 | warmi | it is almost like Win32 GUI but with the language transparency |
| 00:18:29 | warmi | Win32 GUI operates on the same , widget level |
| 00:18:42 | scanline | warmi: sorta.. win32 API was really messy :) I've heard PicoGUI compared to Fresco and Photon though |
| 00:19:01 | warmi | I know ... I am just comparing the idea itself |
| 00:19:13 | warmi | I am not familiar with Fresco nor Photon |
| 00:19:15 | scanline | warmi: picogui's API has a pretty small number of functions that are used for multiple purposes, kind of the Unix or OpenGL philosophy |
| 00:19:36 | warmi | scanline it would be perfectly possible to port qt on top of picoGUI |
| 00:19:45 | scanline | Photon is the GUI for QNX.. I don't know anything about it, but someone told me that it also uses widgets on the server side |
| 00:19:50 | scanline | warmi: on a framebuffer level maybe |
| 00:20:00 | warmi | except, as in case of Win32 port all the internal code for widgets would be wasted since Qt reimplements all the widgets on its own |
| 00:20:13 | scanline | nods |
| 00:20:58 | warmi | scanline what about new widgets being added |
| 00:21:02 | scanline | then you could run Qt using picogui's tp filtering :) |
| 00:21:15 | warmi | is there a way to query your server for particular widget |
| 00:21:18 | warmi | before using it ? |
| 00:21:28 | warmi | sort of like DCOM does on Windows |
| 00:21:31 | scanline | warmi: right now that one's tough.. adding widgets is a pain. I expect we'll modularize the widget code so that apps can request that new widgets be loaded from shared libs |
| 00:22:12 | scanline | warmi: there will probably just be a function to retrieve a widget ID given a string. All the builtin widgets would have constant IDs, loaded widgets would get dynamically assigned IDs |
| 00:22:12 | warmi | the greatest strenght of Qt is its ability to easy extend existing widgets .. just modified a bit to fit your requirment |
| 00:22:39 | scanline | yeah. That's something that's hard to do with a client/server GUI.. though Fresco pulls it off pretty well |
| 00:22:47 | scanline | but it uses CORBA :) |
| 00:23:13 | warmi | alright .. I got to go |
| 00:23:16 | warmi | see you later folks |
| 00:23:20 | scanline | bye warmi |
| 00:24:17 | jbwiv | if I have two widgets, say a QMultiLineEdit and a QMenuBar, would the proper way to display both be to wrap them in a QFrame and set the QFrame object as the main widget? |
| 00:24:28 | jbwiv | if not, how should I group two widgets to be shown? |
| 00:24:34 | jbwiv | thx in advance... |
| 00:27:35 | kergoth | re |
| 00:27:46 | jbwiv | hey kergoth... |
| 00:27:49 | scanline | wb kergoth |
| 00:28:08 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 00:32:00 | kergoth | hey mdz |
| 00:32:15 | prpplague | kergoth: argh, i updated my cvs dir and its a mess |
| 00:32:21 | prpplague | mdz_: hey |
| 00:32:36 | kergoth | prpplague: ? |
| 00:32:52 | shoe | kergoth! |
| 00:33:20 | kergoth | hey shoe |
| 00:33:20 | shoe | you sure that intellisync actually syncs with latest version of OZ? I'm having the worst time with it... |
| 00:33:30 | prpplague | kergoth: tons of compile warnings and errors |
| 00:33:32 | kergoth | shoe: verified. I use it at work regularly |
| 00:33:40 | kergoth | prpplague: from what? |
| 00:33:47 | shoe | no kiddin... |
| 00:33:54 | prpplague | kergoth: you name it, libc kernel, mtd |
| 00:33:55 | kergoth | shoe: what problems are you having? |
| 00:34:03 | kergoth | prpplague: umm |
| 00:34:22 | kergoth | make clean;s |
| 00:34:29 | prpplague | kergoth: i've started with a fresh co, but its doing the same |
| 00:34:42 | shoe | kergoth: well, it just doesn't work... intellisync tells you to put it in the cradle, I do, and then it just stalls... never connects |
| 00:35:01 | kergoth | shoe: intellisync tells you to put it in the cradle? |
| 00:35:07 | kergoth | shoe: umm, you do have networking up right? |
| 00:35:18 | kergoth | shoe: you *cannot* use intellisync if you cant ping your Z. |
| 00:35:49 | shoe | right |
| 00:35:58 | shoe | ping it under the standard ip? |
| 00:36:29 | shoe | I think that's the problem... I don't think I have the computer talking to the same ip that the z is on |
| 00:36:56 | kergoth | shoe: hmm? |
| 00:37:16 | shoe | well, you have to tell intellisync what IP to connect to over USB |
| 00:37:17 | kergoth | shoe: edit /etc/hotplug/usbdnet.conf on your Z .. thats the zaurus side usb networking configuration |
| 00:37:48 | kergoth | shoe: i dont care about intellisync. I want to confirm that you can ssh into your Z and at least do basic connectivity before we throw added complexity into the mix |
| 00:37:57 | mrwoody | does anyone know what is happening at contest@zaurus.com? |
| 00:38:03 | shoe | ok |
| 00:38:25 | shoe | I don't get it though... my wlan isn't going... does this work all over usb? |
| 00:38:31 | kergoth | prpplague: the only thing i changed was configs/templates/method .. we'll see soon |
| 00:38:36 | kergoth | shoe: i use it over usb at work. |
| 00:38:42 | kergoth | shoe: and wlan |
| 00:39:13 | shoe | ok so it should fly souly over usb |
| 00:39:30 | jbwiv | I'm trying to create an app with two widgets...one is a multilineedit and the other is a menubar. The mle is set as the main widget. If I run it, only the mle displays. So, I tried calling a show() method on the menubar in its constructor. Now they both display, but the multilineedit is in a seperate window and the MenuBar appears in the upper right corner by itself. How do I tie/group these two together, so they'll display properly? |
| 00:39:52 | kergoth | shoe: yes. |
| 00:39:59 | shoe | werd |
| 00:40:15 | prpplague | kergoth: i'm getting lots of errors for c functions that should be included such as exit() |
| 00:40:40 | kergoth | prpplague: give me an error. telling me you're getting 'lots of errors' is amazingly unhelpful |
| 00:40:47 | kergoth | shoe: can you ping the zaurus? |
| 00:41:04 | prpplague | kergoth: sorry, let me capture the build and email it? |
| 00:41:11 | kergoth | prpplague: go for it |
| 00:41:15 | shoe | I gotta set it up... hang on :) thx, too |
| 00:41:25 | kergoth | prpplague: mine is obtaining sources atm.. we'll see if it explodes here too |
| 00:41:58 | kergoth | I need either caffeine or alcohol |
| 00:41:58 | scanline | will try an OZ build as soon as he fixes his desktop's IRQ conflicts |
| 00:42:00 | kergoth | flips a coin |
| 00:42:20 | prpplague | kergoth: seems to start around the ipkg and also the kernel compile |
| 00:42:24 | wParam | needs caffeine |
| 00:42:26 | jbwiv | will give kergoth both if he can answer his newbie question ;) |
| 00:42:49 | scanline | needs separate IRQs for nvidia and eth0 |
| 00:43:07 | kergoth | jbwiv: dont make your multilineedit your main widget. create a QWidget or a QMainWindow or something as your main widget, and just create the multilineedit and the menubar with a parent of the QWidget you created. |
| 00:43:36 | wParam | ouch... "plug and play is better. the software knows best." yea right |
| 00:43:39 | kergoth | scanline: ugh i hate irq conflicts. it took me like 5 hours to nail down the *one* arrangement of cards in this box that actually functions. |
| 00:43:42 | prpplague | kergoth: after that cvs update, i've headed straight for the guinness |
| 00:43:48 | kergoth | prpplague: hah |
| 00:44:08 | jbwiv | hands kergoth a beer and an espresso... |
| 00:44:18 | KallDrexx | >.< |
| 00:44:26 | scanline | kergoth: yah.. I have every PCI and AGP slot on my motherboard filled :( |
| 00:44:40 | kergoth | scanline: ack. heh |
| 00:45:02 | prpplague | scanline: i've got a pci bus expander i can sell ya |
| 00:45:09 | Wembly | scanline: time for a pci bridge :) |
| 00:45:20 | jbwiv | kergoth: the way I interpret your answer and the use of "parent", you're saying my mle and menubar should extend the main widget as subclasses??? |
| 00:45:23 | Wembly | scanline: how meny slots? |
| 00:45:41 | scanline | looks... |
| 00:45:42 | Wembly | makes a mental note to buy a motherboard with scsi and ethernet on board next time. |
| 00:45:42 | kergoth | jbwiv: no |
| 00:45:52 | prpplague | scanline: got it from a place we upgraded, they had 12 epcx cards |
| 00:45:52 | scanline | 6 slots |
| 00:45:56 | scanline | wow |
| 00:45:59 | kergoth | jbwiv: when you create a QWidget, you specify its parent. |
| 00:46:21 | scanline | nvidia, ATI, 100baseT, 1000baseT, 1394, sound |
| 00:47:07 | prpplague | scanline: what are you using a 1gb card for? |
| 00:49:11 | scanline | prpplague: high speed NFS to my server |
| 00:49:28 | prpplague | scanline: ahh nice |
| 00:49:44 | scanline | yeah.. gigabit cards aren't too expensive, but the hubs/switches are the killer |
| 00:49:50 | scanline | so I just use a crossover |
| 00:50:15 | wParam | cool |
| 00:50:28 | Cloud_Z | testing |
| 00:50:36 | prpplague | scanline: cat7? |
| 00:51:07 | Wembly | gawd |
| 00:51:18 | Wembly | gigabit ethernet.... yes.. lets kill our pci bus :) |
| 00:52:00 | scanline | prpplague: nope, cat5 |
| 00:52:19 | scanline | prpplague: I can pull about 35MB/sec across it from my server's disk to the desktop's disk |
| 00:52:43 | scanline | prpplague: the card supports 64-bit PCI but I only have 32-bit.. that might be the limitation |
| 00:53:24 | scanline | got the cards for $70 each |
| 00:53:50 | prpplague | scanline: how long is the cable |
| 00:54:09 | scanline | prpplague: 6 feet or so :) |
| 00:54:34 | scanline | prpplague: I didn't see anything about cat7 in the docs though.. I think it's designed for cat5 |
| 00:57:10 | kergoth | prpplague: kernel's building. so far the only warnings are the ones that always happen, and no errors yet |
| 00:57:50 | TheMasterMind1 | kernel compiling is fun |
| 00:57:56 | TheMasterMind1 | can't you compile the latest kernel for the z? |
| 00:57:58 | TheMasterMind1 | why 2.4.6? |
| 00:58:05 | kergoth | hmm? |
| 00:58:09 | prpplague | kergoth: did you re-dl all the source? |
| 00:58:11 | TheMasterMind1 | why not 2.4.19? |
| 00:58:12 | kergoth | because the patch doesnt apply to 2.4.19? |
| 00:58:22 | TheMasterMind1 | what does the patch do ;) ? |
| 00:58:31 | kergoth | adds zaurus support |
| 00:58:32 | scanline | is glad he has so many fans in his computer, considering how close his GF3 is to everything else |
| 00:58:35 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:58:39 | kergoth | jeesus, you think the Z is supported in the official tree? |
| 00:58:42 | TheMasterMind1 | is someone making a patch for 2.4.19 then |
| 00:58:43 | kergoth | hell do, its a lineo embedix patch |
| 00:58:46 | kergoth | yes, I am. |
| 00:58:53 | TheMasterMind1 | yea i figured |
| 00:59:03 | prpplague | kergoth: what email you want this too? |
| 00:59:09 | kergoth | I'm technically porting it to 2.5.30, pushing it upstream to the kernel tree, then backporting to 2.4.19 for the next OZ release |
| 00:59:22 | kergoth | prpplague: yes i redled the soruces. send it to kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 00:59:22 | TheMasterMind1 | so what has to be changed to make it work with the zaurus |
| 00:59:35 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: lets see, about a thousand files i'd say? |
| 00:59:41 | Wembly | *laugh* |
| 00:59:50 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: where shoudl i start? |
| 01:00:13 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:00:26 | prpplague | kergoth: hell, i've probably fudged something, but, the log is on the way |
| 01:00:29 | TheMasterMind1 | well, what files concerning what hardware/drivers? |
| 01:00:30 | kergoth | prpplague: thanks |
| 01:00:42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you actually want me to list it? go look at the damn patch yourself |
| 01:00:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:00:52 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 01:00:53 | TheMasterMind1 | fine |
| 01:00:58 | TheMasterMind1 | that's not a bad idea |
| 01:01:46 | mrwoody | is anyone in the challange here? |
| 01:02:44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: 1) support for the collie sa1110 implementation, 2) support for the tc35143af chip, 3) support for the sharp proprietary LoCoMo chip, 4) support for the sharp proprietary Scoop chip, 5) lineo's usbd stack, 6) modifications to support the flash chips in the zaurus, 7) new sound drivers for a) the Z dac on SSP for headphone output, and b) audio i/o via tc35143af, 8) slight timing alterations for the zaurus in over a hundre |
| 01:02:44 | kergoth | anious files .. 9) lineo specific character device interfaces for numerous sharp functions, etc |
| 01:03:00 | kergoth | blah |
| 01:03:28 | scanline | bah.. now my sound card is on the same IRQ as the nvidia |
| 01:04:39 | Wembly | timing alterations for the zaurus? |
| 01:04:53 | Wembly | scanline: just let acpi deal wif it ;) |
| 01:05:10 | scanline | Wembly: the nvidia drivers don't play nice :) |
| 01:05:14 | kergoth | Wembly: yes, otherwise known as udelay()'s sprinkled hear and there :-) |
| 01:05:19 | kergoth | s/hear/here/ |
| 01:05:33 | Wembly | funfun |
| 01:05:40 | Wembly | in the machine speific files? |
| 01:05:45 | Wembly | or some other files? |
| 01:05:55 | kergoth | miscellanious files. often files that shouldnt have any machine specific stuff |
| 01:06:00 | prpplague | kergoth: i've killed my oz dir and started another cvs co |
| 01:06:09 | Wembly | why is there timing issues there? |
| 01:07:12 | kergoth | Wembly: not certain. I've left out a lot of shit in moving to 2.5.30, if i see problems, i'll know why |
| 01:08:34 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth alright |
| 01:08:47 | TheMasterMind1 | thanks |
| 01:09:21 | TheMasterMind1 | what is iris? |
| 01:09:21 | [DrEvil] | whew |
| 01:09:24 | [DrEvil] | that was a nice ride |
| 01:09:30 | [DrEvil] | 5 miles of hills |
| 01:09:37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: iris is another sa1110 implementation. not the Z. |
| 01:09:42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: "collie" is the Z |
| 01:09:45 | KallDrexx | Does ANYONE knwo why i'm being told that when I click on the QCanvas BEFORE a sprite is created, that it's clicking on the sprite? |
| 01:09:48 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 01:09:49 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 01:09:53 | Wembly | kergoth: where did collie come from anyhow? |
| 01:09:57 | kergoth | Wembly: no idea.. |
| 01:10:23 | [DrEvil] | isn't a collie dog originally from the UK? |
| 01:10:33 | [DrEvil] | and so is ARM |
| 01:10:37 | TheMasterMind1 | lots of apm stuff |
| 01:11:30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: if you want to assist with the port of the Z support to a newer kernel, let me know, i can certainly use assistance |
| 01:13:19 | TheMasterMind1 | might be a little over my head |
| 01:13:22 | scanline | w00t! IRQ conflict solved |
| 01:13:28 | scanline | my computer is whole again |
| 01:13:34 | Novas007 | can someone help me sync to my zaurus in linux? i haven't had any luck so far (using http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_ethernet-over-usb-howto.shtml) |
| 01:13:38 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: did you do your checkin? |
| 01:14:04 | TheMasterMind1 | but if there's any not so big stuff you need help with i can probably do some stuff. i have a fair amount of experience with c |
| 01:14:05 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: yeah. do a cvs up -PdA |
| 01:14:10 | Novas007 | my kernel's set up right (turning it on in the cradle is seen just fine) |
| 01:14:22 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: I'm over my head too, I'm just learning as I go :-) |
| 01:15:19 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: heh |
| 01:15:29 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: how much have you gotten done so far? |
| 01:16:13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: http://linux-cl.bkbits.net/ .. click on linux-arm-2.5-collie .. click browse source tree, then click on TODO |
| 01:18:01 | TheMasterMind1 | almost half ;) |
| 01:18:50 | kergoth | getting there |
| 01:19:08 | kergoth | the pcmcia support is in, but for some reason it picks up the card as memory_cs |
| 01:19:15 | kergoth | so the card identification is failing, for some reason |
| 01:19:27 | kergoth | i should commit that and the TODO update |
| 01:19:27 | kergoth | blah |
| 01:19:28 | TheMasterMind1 | with a pcmcia-cf card? |
| 01:19:30 | kergoth | yeah |
| 01:19:34 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 01:19:50 | kergoth | on the plus side, it detects the card insertion/removal |
| 01:19:59 | kergoth | it just isnt picking up the card information.. manufacturer and shit |
| 01:20:13 | wParam | is there an easy way to disable the pc speaker in linux? (mainly that beep when you press tab or backspace too far) |
| 01:20:21 | Wembly | kergoth: herm isnt that in the /etc/pcmcia/config file? |
| 01:20:32 | Wembly | wparam: oh crap yes. but i dont remember :~( |
| 01:20:36 | kergoth | Wembly: cardctl ident; says no info available :-) |
| 01:20:40 | Wembly | wparam: you can change the pitch and all too |
| 01:20:41 | kergoth | Wembly: not that far yet. hehe |
| 01:21:01 | wParam | well, at least it can be done |
| 01:21:13 | wParam | i'll see what google has to say |
| 01:21:38 | TheMasterMind1 | so most of this is already patched in the lineo patch, you just have to port it to the 2.5.30 source tree? |
| 01:21:43 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: after doing a cvs up -PdA, then edit include.mk ... add export VERBOSITY = source sourcetree binary staging ipk |
| 01:21:52 | TheMasterMind1 | and then that will be merged with the official source? |
| 01:21:56 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: precisely |
| 01:22:04 | [DrEvil] | yay |
| 01:22:05 | TheMasterMind1 | and then you'll do it again for 2.4.19 |
| 01:22:06 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 01:22:08 | Novas007 | oh wow.. it works.. this is amazing |
| 01:22:10 | [DrEvil] | I was going to suggest that feature to you |
| 01:22:19 | Wembly | wparam: its in like consoletools or linux utils or somesuch |
| 01:22:21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so its just a matter of 1) adapting to new interfaces, and 2) fixing any gross hacks to do things properly |
| 01:22:33 | TheMasterMind1 | new interfaces? |
| 01:22:48 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yes, they change apis as they make kernel improvements |
| 01:22:52 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 01:22:53 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 01:23:06 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds like fun |
| 01:23:17 | TheMasterMind1 | i get my zaurus in the mail tommorow |
| 01:23:20 | TheMasterMind1 | no cf card yet though |
| 01:23:21 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so i just have to adapt to the new ways things work. some things stayed almost identical as far as api ..pcmcia for example i only modified like 8 lines in the patch to make it nearly work |
| 01:23:21 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:23:24 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ah |
| 01:23:47 | Wembly | wparam: send me a msg if you find it before i do please |
| 01:23:50 | TheMasterMind1 | well, i'd be interested in helping.. i guess i'll start looking at the code and getting familiar with it |
| 01:24:09 | Wembly | wparam: setterm |
| 01:24:11 | Wembly | in util-linux |
| 01:24:13 | prpplague | kergoth: still no problems on your build? |
| 01:24:29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: cool. basically its a matter of taking the patch, applying it to 2.4.6.. then comparing things between the 2.4.6 tree and the 2.5.30 tree.. adapting as you go |
| 01:24:35 | kergoth | prpplague: nope. few warnings .. no errors |
| 01:24:43 | kergoth | prpplague: there was a typo with glibc though |
| 01:24:48 | kergoth | prpplague: hah i bet that was your problem |
| 01:24:53 | Wembly | wparam: atleast that'll set the freq and length of the beep |
| 01:25:01 | kergoth | prpplague: the typo caused glibc to not compile and jump right to the ipk step |
| 01:25:09 | kergoth | prpplague: hehe. cvs up -PdA; |
| 01:25:57 | prpplague | kergoth: ok, what about the mass errors with the kernel? |
| 01:26:24 | kergoth | prpplague: what errors/ |
| 01:26:30 | kergoth | prpplague: mine built flawlessly. its on glibc now |
| 01:26:32 | kergoth | prpplague: heh |
| 01:26:39 | prpplague | kergoth: you look at the log i sent ya? |
| 01:26:58 | kergoth | hold, have to install kmail.. |
| 01:27:06 | kergoth | dont have an email client installed atm |
| 01:27:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:27:18 | kergoth | ah fuck it, i'll just ssh into the mailserver and use mutt |
| 01:27:25 | prpplague | kergoth: lol |
| 01:28:09 | kergoth | umm |
| 01:28:14 | kergoth | prpplague: those were harmless warnings |
| 01:28:15 | darienm | kergoth: good news |
| 01:28:20 | kergoth | prpplague: your build failed from the typo in glibc. |
| 01:28:25 | kergoth | prpplague: cvs up -PdA; |
| 01:28:26 | kergoth | darienm: whats up |
| 01:28:40 | prpplague | kergoth: ok, so fix the typo and try again |
| 01:28:42 | darienm | kergoth: OZ and Qtopia Desktop running on Virtual PC (Windows 2000) on Mac OS X thru USB syncs !!! |
| 01:28:52 | kergoth | prpplague: yes, cvs up -PdA |
| 01:28:54 | kergoth | prpplague: heh |
| 01:28:56 | prpplague | kergoth: i need to give up a quite for the night |
| 01:28:58 | kergoth | darienm: haha sweet |
| 01:29:14 | prpplague | bangs head on desk |
| 01:29:24 | kergoth | prpplague: another guinness? |
| 01:29:25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:29:44 | prpplague | kergoth: or a whole case |
| 01:30:11 | prpplague | kergoth: i've suddenly realize i have to go to work and talk to stupid people tomorrow on the phone |
| 01:30:23 | kergoth | prpplague: stop that! dont think about it |
| 01:31:17 | prpplague | and head one more time then pours a fresh glass |
| 01:32:06 | Novas007 | giggles maniacally about having bash on a pda |
| 01:34:50 | prpplague | Novas007: it is quite amazing the first time |
| 01:36:21 | kergoth | indeed |
| 01:36:23 | wParam | what's more amazing is when you boot into the bare console and then realize you just typed 'find' in / and you don't know how to type control+c |
| 01:36:51 | wParam | or, no, that was just annoying |
| 01:36:58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:37:09 | kergoth | in my changes in moving to 2.4.19 |
| 01:37:11 | kergoth | i'm fixing that |
| 01:37:18 | kergoth | we'll have ctrl functionality in console |
| 01:37:19 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:37:22 | wParam | yay! |
| 01:38:24 | prpplague | kergoth: hey by the way, the sharp rom does a clicking noise, i though the z didn't have a speaker? |
| 01:38:38 | kergoth | prpplague: it has a buzzer. |
| 01:38:59 | kergoth | prpplague: and the driver inlines 3 wave files for the alarm, keyclick, and touchclick.. we're suspecting we may be able to get more useful output from it |
| 01:39:16 | kergoth | prpplague: aka a real /dev/dsp for output to it.. course its still a buzzer, so audio quality will likely blow, but what the hell |
| 01:39:35 | prpplague | kergoth: hmm i wonder if i can use libbeep on it |
| 01:39:48 | kergoth | prpplague: dood, their drivers *suck* |
| 01:39:52 | kergoth | prpplague: I *highly* doubt it |
| 01:39:52 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:40:01 | kergoth | prpplague: we can give it a pc speaker style driver easy enough though |
| 01:40:30 | sjohnson | prpplague: The sound would suck. The Z used a piezo buzzer. |
| 01:40:45 | kergoth | its a piezo? |
| 01:40:51 | scanline | Couldn't be worse than Palm :) |
| 01:40:52 | prpplague | sjohnson: i just need a couple of different tones |
| 01:41:08 | kergoth | sjohnson: you verified that? I never managed to find a place to look up the part number |
| 01:41:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:41:49 | sjohnson | kergoth: I've haven't looked. I just remember reading it somewhere. |
| 01:42:03 | Novas007 | is there a specific cf storage card that's good to get, or is just about any good? |
| 01:42:28 | [DrEvil] | /bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `<<<<<' |
| 01:42:42 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: you had a conflict when you did your cvs up |
| 01:42:50 | [DrEvil] | probably |
| 01:42:51 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: do a cvs up -PdA again and look for lines that start with C |
| 01:42:53 | [DrEvil] | *sigh* |
| 01:43:00 | [DrEvil] | all those changes I made to libc6.mk |
| 01:43:05 | kergoth | yeah exactly |
| 01:43:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:43:19 | kergoth | either manually merge, or remove it and cvs up -PdA to grab the new one |
| 01:43:28 | KallDrexx | cries as he realizes his rts beta could be done by now |
| 01:43:37 | kergoth | wtf |
| 01:43:41 | kergoth | artsd died spontaniously |
| 01:43:44 | kergoth | i hate that |
| 01:43:55 | [DrEvil] | KDE gives me gas |
| 01:44:09 | tux_mike | ... |
| 01:45:47 | BigBoss | [DrEvil]: KDE is the only thing keeping the hair off your back :) |
| 01:46:00 | Novas007 | hmm.. what type of CF slot is the 5500's? |
| 01:46:01 | [DrEvil] | I have a hard time using it |
| 01:46:10 | [DrEvil] | I am thinking about dropping GNOME too |
| 01:46:20 | [DrEvil] | and just using WindowMaker or something |
| 01:46:29 | scanline | pwm! |
| 01:46:41 | scanline | pukes when confronted with either KDE or GNOME |
| 01:46:54 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: so basically i apply the patch on 2.4.6 and then start porting and see where i get? :0) |
| 01:47:20 | [DrEvil] | I want more speed |
| 01:47:25 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: basically. but dont reinvent the wheel. pull my tree with bitkeeper, and look in my TODO for an idea of where to begin |
| 01:47:56 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth yea. can i grab what you have with cvs? |
| 01:48:08 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: no, its not cvs |
| 01:48:29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its a bitkeeper repository. download bitkeeper, then install it and run bk clone http://linux-cl.bkbits.net/linux-arm-2.5-collie |
| 01:49:01 | BigBoss | kde rocks |
| 01:49:08 | BigBoss | it's the only thing that makes linux usable |
| 01:49:26 | scanline | BigBoss: it depends on your definition of usable |
| 01:49:43 | scanline | BigBoss: for some people, a blank screen and a root menu is as usable as they want |
| 01:50:43 | [DrEvil] | KDE has the annoying habit of caching window calls |
| 01:52:28 | Novas007 | hugs xfce |
| 01:52:57 | tux_mike | this is strange |
| 01:53:20 | scanline | yay, now I have a fast net connection and fast machine to build OZ on |
| 01:53:23 | tux_mike | i use KDE for desktop management, but use more Gnome apps, and I have a bit of windows splashed in there |
| 01:53:48 | prpplague | kergoth: i'm still gettting a lot of warnings on the kernel build |
| 01:54:46 | prpplague | kergoth: ok i'm done for this evening, i'm too frustrated to continue |
| 01:58:15 | kergoth | prpplague: there were always warnings in the kernel build. always were. |
| 01:58:36 | prpplague | kergoth: well i just don't remember as many |
| 01:58:40 | kergoth | ah |
| 01:58:53 | prpplague | kergoth: re-definitions just don't sound good |
| 01:59:09 | BigBoss | tux_mike: you aren't using enough theKompany apps then :) |
| 01:59:37 | tux_mike | nope. athera doesn't work out well for me |
| 02:00:00 | tux_mike | Kapital isn't fully out yet, and i dunno how much financial assistance i need |
| 02:00:06 | tux_mike | don't need an IDE |
| 02:00:15 | tux_mike | oh, and i'm broke |
| 02:00:16 | tux_mike | :) |
| 02:00:33 | Novas007 | hmm |
| 02:00:50 | Novas007 | how do you log in once you install openssh? i get this: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 02:01:48 | scanline | kergoth: what was the url for the linux.co.uk somethingorother toolchain again? |
| 02:01:57 | scanline | kergoth: this time I have access to my bookmarks :) |
| 02:02:21 | wParam | woohoo! windows has managed to get "confused" by my usb stuff again |
| 02:02:24 | kergoth | scanline: http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/ .. under the Developer link, theres a Toolchain section.. click on the one that says "courtesy of erik muau" or something lke that |
| 02:02:44 | scanline | kergoth: thanks. For some reason I thought it was .co.uk :) |
| 02:02:46 | wParam | I was trying to ftp my sd card off the zaurus... zaurus crashed, and windows can't do usb anymore |
| 02:02:58 | prpplague | scanline: eriks toolchain rocks |
| 02:03:15 | prpplague | scanline: just make sure you read the readme file |
| 02:03:19 | mrwoody | how to make the "not implemented yet" disappear? |
| 02:03:35 | scanline | prpplague: I've used it on my PPC laptop, just had to recompile gcc and binutils for PPC :) |
| 02:04:35 | mrwoody | who creates that function? |
| 02:04:35 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm back |
| 02:05:44 | kergoth | mrwoody: ? |
| 02:05:53 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i'm guessing i'm going to need a cf card to be able to test out changes i make |
| 02:06:05 | mrwoody | well when i use designer... sometimes it says that the function ... is not implemented yet |
| 02:06:07 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep, you need CF to flash the new kernel |
| 02:06:11 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:06:17 | TheMasterMind1 | how many other people are working on this? |
| 02:06:18 | mrwoody | kergoth: how to make it understand that it was implemeneted |
| 02:06:38 | kergoth | mrwoody: *what* function? coming in here asking "what implements this function" is useless. what function? |
| 02:06:51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the port to a newer kernel? no one, just a personal project atm |
| 02:07:08 | mrwoody | kergoth: well maybe you missed my first question |
| 02:07:13 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: ah, i see. you think sharp will start using it also once its done? |
| 02:07:22 | TheMasterMind1 | damn, no bitkeeper debian package |
| 02:07:37 | mrwoody | kergoth: anyway i was saying that after i create something with designer... that is what i get... no matter what the function is |
| 02:07:58 | kergoth | mrwoody: you're doing something wrong. without you pasting the exact error, i cant tell you what it is :-) |
| 02:08:15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its license isnt open, it'll likely never have a debian package |
| 02:08:21 | mrwoody | kergoth: have you ever used designer? |
| 02:08:26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: grab it off their site, its a shell script |
| 02:08:28 | kergoth | mrwoody: yes |
| 02:08:35 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: alright, willdo |
| 02:09:28 | mrwoody | kergoth: never seen the qWarning :"the formula xxx has not implemented yet"? |
| 02:09:47 | kergoth | hmm, nope |
| 02:09:54 | mrwoody | ok... never mind then |
| 02:10:49 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: any reason you choose this over cvs? |
| 02:10:58 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yes, its far superior to cvs |
| 02:11:13 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 02:11:13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: for example, it supports moving files and renaming files :-) among other things |
| 02:12:21 | TheMasterMind1 | sounds good |
| 02:12:49 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: bitkeeper is what linus is using for the 2.5 kernel |
| 02:12:49 | TheMasterMind1 | how much does a cf->pcmcia cost? |
| 02:12:55 | kergoth | no idea |
| 02:12:57 | cutm | . |
| 02:13:02 | kergoth | yawns |
| 02:13:03 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: oh, wow |
| 02:13:07 | scanline | TheMasterMind1: $15 maybE? |
| 02:13:57 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:13:58 | TheMasterMind1 | really |
| 02:14:09 | TheMasterMind1 | i'll have to get me one of those then |
| 02:14:37 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 02:14:38 | TheMasterMind1 | installed |
| 02:15:05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: bk clone http://linux-cl.bkbits.net/linux-arm-2.5-collie |
| 02:15:10 | kergoth | bbiaf |
| 02:15:35 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 02:15:42 | scanline | holy sweetness... my OZ build is alredy at downloading glibc |
| 02:15:45 | scanline | hugs his Athlon |
| 02:15:51 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:16:17 | scanline | too bad it's so hot and noisy |
| 02:16:37 | scanline | just have to open a window and turn up the techno :) |
| 02:20:36 | Novas007 | when i try to ssh in to the zaurus, i get this: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 02:20:39 | Novas007 | what does that mean? |
| 02:22:39 | [DrEvil] | something isn't working |
| 02:22:55 | Novas007 | heh |
| 02:23:47 | sjohnson | try using -v to get more details |
| 02:24:06 | treke|home | Novas007: try sshing in as a user without a private key generated |
| 02:26:18 | Novas007 | nope :/ |
| 02:26:32 | prpplague | kergoth: implicit declarion of memcpy? |
| 02:26:37 | Novas007 | a google search said it was a rdns error |
| 02:26:40 | kergoth | prpplague: ? |
| 02:26:46 | treke|home | Novas007: that could be |
| 02:26:47 | Novas007 | but adding my box to /etc/hosts didn't help |
| 02:26:51 | kergoth | prpplague: I just completed a make openzaurus.. |
| 02:26:56 | kergoth | prpplague: i didnt capture the warnings through |
| 02:26:59 | kergoth | s/through/though/ |
| 02:27:08 | treke|home | Novas007: also could be a PARANOID entry in /etc/host.deny |
| 02:27:08 | prpplague | kergoth: hmm, that was one of the warnings |
| 02:27:15 | prpplague | kergoth: for the kernel |
| 02:27:38 | kergoth | prpplague: the kernel shouldnt be using memcpy, thats a function in glibc |
| 02:27:49 | kergoth | prpplague: kernel doesnt use glibc functions. |
| 02:28:00 | kergoth | prpplague: or rather, shouldnt, cause thatd be pretty fucked up |
| 02:28:28 | kergoth | prpplague: odd. what was it building at the time? |
| 02:29:22 | prpplague | kergoth: looking now |
| 02:30:02 | prpplague | kergoth: mtd |
| 02:32:48 | prpplague | kergoth: you should be able to see that in the log file, its before the glibc error |
| 02:33:47 | prpplague | kergoth: its like there is a header missing |
| 02:35:07 | TheMasterMind1 | Warning: running BitKeeper as root is not a good idea! |
| 02:35:09 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:35:25 | TheMasterMind1 | continues to leech from kergoth |
| 02:37:56 | TheMasterMind1 | who is Georg Nikodym |
| 02:38:12 | TheMasterMind1 | and whois is Chris Larson |
| 02:38:30 | treke|home | your momma |
| 02:39:06 | TheMasterMind1 | looks for the patched zaurus kernel |
| 02:39:16 | prpplague | BZFlag: hey dude |
| 02:39:26 | prpplague | BZFlag: back from holiday? |
| 02:41:15 | cranch|z | anything new? |
| 02:42:00 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: there is no 5500 specific kernel? only the 5000d one? |
| 02:42:17 | TheMasterMind1 | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/source/linux-sl5000d-20020318.tar.bz2 |
| 02:47:29 | Novas007 | blaah.. i still can't get in :( |
| 02:47:54 | TheMasterMind1 | get in where? |
| 02:48:01 | Novas007 | ssh into my zaurus |
| 02:48:23 | Novas007 | tried w/ and w/o pubkey auth, added this box into /etc/hosts |
| 02:48:33 | TheMasterMind1 | can you ping it/ |
| 02:48:36 | Novas007 | yes |
| 02:48:43 | Novas007 | i'm synced to it just fine |
| 02:48:52 | Novas007 | mike@levy:~> ssh mike@zaurus |
| 02:48:52 | Novas007 | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 02:49:38 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 02:49:40 | TheMasterMind1 | that's a funky error |
| 02:49:41 | TheMasterMind1 | google it |
| 02:49:52 | Novas007 | have |
| 02:50:03 | Novas007 | it looked like an rdns error |
| 02:50:09 | Novas007 | but that should be solved |
| 02:51:16 | mrwoody | is anyone in the challange here? |
| 02:51:22 | Novas007 | ooh, wait, finally got a good hit |
| 02:51:30 | scanline | oh no, kergoth's gone! |
| 02:51:34 | scanline | whatever shall we do! |
| 02:52:02 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 02:52:17 | mrwoody | anyone? |
| 02:52:41 | TheMasterMind1 | mrwoody: must you keep repeating? |
| 02:52:47 | TheMasterMind1 | if there was, they would say something |
| 02:52:59 | mrwoody | TheMasterMind1: what is the problem? |
| 02:53:41 | TheMasterMind1 | nothing |
| 02:54:12 | Novas007 | bleh.. added ALL : ALL to /etc/hosts.allow (and nothing in .deny) but it still doesn't work |
| 02:54:29 | TheMasterMind1 | Novas007: that shouldn't have anything to do with it. if you can ping it, that's not the problem |
| 02:55:16 | Novas007 | well, i'm at a loss, heh |
| 02:55:31 | sjohnson | Novas007: try running sshd as sshd -d 2 and ssh as ssh -v to see whats happening |
| 02:58:20 | scanline | openobex wha??? |
| 02:58:27 | scanline | growls at glib |
| 02:58:42 | Novas007 | still nothing (and nothing enlightening from -vvv) |
| 03:00:09 | scanline | yikes... OZ filled up my hard disk |
| 03:03:33 | Novas007 | hmm |
| 03:04:14 | Novas007 | i commented out a line of my sshd_config (the hostkey line for ssh1, which was disabled) and now it works |
| 03:04:18 | Novas007 | well, mostly |
| 03:04:25 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 03:04:32 | Novas007 | it's access denied now, but that can be fixed |
| 03:05:40 | Novas007 | and i'm in :) |
| 03:07:10 | TheMasterMind1 | goodjob |
| 03:08:41 | Novas007 | hmm.. i can't su to root- is there something weird about tinylogin? |
| 03:09:17 | warmi | re |
| 03:09:33 | Novas007 | yo |
| 03:09:33 | | whardier was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 8 hours, 13 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying: thank GOD! [Sat Aug 17 19:55:43 2002] |
| 03:09:33 | warmi | ibot seen whardier |
| 03:13:39 | Novas007 | erk |
| 03:13:48 | Novas007 | tinylogin needs to be suid root to use su |
| 03:14:35 | Novas007 | and it's on a readonly fs |
| 03:18:49 | Novas007 | gah.. cp'd it off, +s'd it, and ran it with the full path, and it still doesn't work |
| 03:31:09 | prpplague | Novas007: ya i had some fun with tinylogin friday |
| 03:31:24 | prpplague | Novas007: is this on the z? |
| 03:34:03 | BZFlag | prpplague: hey. yep, back in town. looks like I'll be hacking on the kaii for a while. ;-) |
| 03:34:44 | prpplague | BZFlag: kaii ? |
| 03:35:42 | BZFlag | http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8619741565.html |
| 03:35:53 | | okay, BZFlag. |
| 03:35:53 | BZFlag | ibot kaii is also http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8619741565.html |
| 03:36:32 | prpplague | BZFlag: ahh, ya i saw that just didn't associate the name |
| 03:36:32 | scanline | oooooh |
| 03:36:37 | prpplague | BZFlag: hows it look? |
| 03:36:59 | scanline | it's a cheaper iPaq :) |
| 03:37:35 | BZFlag | sh3 linux will be a challenge, but the device looks like it will be cheaper than an ipaq (like 40% cheaper) with the same features plus a usb host |
| 03:37:54 | prpplague | BZFlag: nice, where can i get one, lol? |
| 03:37:59 | treke|home | BZFlag: what about performance? |
| 03:38:13 | scanline | BZFlag: sure 160MHz will be enough for Qtopia? |
| 03:38:16 | prpplague | BZFlag: like ain;t got enought work on already |
| 03:39:12 | BZFlag | ask in oct/nov about availability. could be that soon. performance is still up in the air. it's a 160mhz, but the MIPS is about the same as a sa1110 206mhz and it also includes an onboard DSP which _should_ mean faster audio/video handling. |
| 03:39:26 | Novas007 | prpplague, yeah |
| 03:40:07 | DrBoB | irc on the Z...who woulda ever thunked it? |
| 03:40:13 | treke|home | how about size? It more like the a300 or sl5500 |
| 03:41:10 | BZFlag | treke|home: zaurus shaped, no keyboard. a bit smaller in each dimension. |
| 03:41:41 | treke|home | very cool |
| 03:41:49 | BigBoss | BZFlag: is the Kaii ever coming out? |
| 03:42:01 | BigBoss | they were supposed to have developer units like 5 months ago |
| 03:42:24 | BZFlag | BigBoss: just got back from india. we are on track again. Should be developer units before the end of the year. |
| 03:42:48 | BigBoss | BZFlag: did you talk about us at all? We were talking to them in March and then they went quiet |
| 03:43:06 | Wembly | bzflag: no keyboard? |
| 03:44:18 | BZFlag | Wembly: not built in, but it has usb host so a usb keyboard will work. |
| 03:44:41 | scanline | yum.. USB host |
| 03:44:59 | BZFlag | BigBoss: a bit. We should get you one of the developer models for sh3 ports on your software. I'll keep you posted. |
| 03:45:03 | prpplague | BZFlag: what about the vercel? whats the status on that? |
| 03:45:16 | BigBoss | prpplague: they still need to raise money |
| 03:45:22 | treke|home | not being an arm machine is kinda disappointed though |
| 03:45:38 | BigBoss | BZFlag: cool - please keep us in the loop. We'd like to be there before it ships rather than after :) |
| 03:45:54 | scanline | Does the SH3 have floating point? |
| 03:45:55 | BZFlag | prpplague: the software for this version is done afaik. I think they are in final funding negotiations. I hoping for developer release this year on that one too. |
| 03:46:04 | BigBoss | BZFlag: we really need 3 dev units minimum though because of the distributed nature of our group |
| 03:46:09 | BZFlag | scanline: nope. sh4 does. |
| 03:46:15 | scanline | BZFlag: ah, ok |
| 03:46:18 | prpplague | BZFlag: x or qt? |
| 03:46:26 | BZFlag | BigBoss: ok, will do. |
| 03:46:27 | BigBoss | everyone wants multimedia and yet they all use freaking chips without floating point :( |
| 03:47:01 | BZFlag | treke|home: the higher level of device integration on the sh3 is what makes it cheaper. |
| 03:47:36 | BZFlag | prpplague: qt on flash. though X should work too. |
| 03:48:03 | treke|home | BZFlag: I'm thinking more of a software point of view. Hoping it doesnt become an annoying case of "darn, this app only runs on sh3/arm" |
| 03:48:04 | BZFlag | initial should have 32M flash and 64M ram. |
| 03:48:32 | BZFlag | treke|home: I hear ya. stay tuned. ;-) |
| 03:48:38 | scanline | CPU diversity is good.. I was getting annoyed that almost all the handhelds out there (except Palm) were ARM |
| 03:49:06 | treke|home | BZFlag: One of the things I remember with horror from my orignal wince pda :) |
| 03:49:59 | BZFlag | treke|home: ah, but how many open source projects exist for wince? ;-) |
| 03:50:17 | treke|home | hehe. Thats yet another benefit of open source :) |
| 03:54:52 | DrBoB | I'm waiting for a 'clamshell with a keyboard' style PDA that runs Linux |
| 03:55:11 | treke|home | well you can spend 1000 bucks on an hp 720 :) |
| 03:55:37 | DrBoB | so I can read the whole width of a page |
| 03:56:32 | DrBoB | does the 720 run Linux? |
| 03:56:36 | treke|home | it can |
| 03:58:15 | DrBoB | is it a native wince machine? (one of HP's big moves in the wrong direction) |
| 03:58:18 | BZFlag | bbiab |
| 03:58:48 | DrBoB | adios BZ |
| 03:59:01 | treke|home | DrBoB: its nativly a wince machine |
| 04:00:26 | DrBoB | blah....I quit buying HP's PDAs with the 200LX.... |
| 04:01:05 | treke|home | I dont know of anyone that still makes clamshells besides hp |
| 04:01:53 | DaWorm | hehee..i can't imagine how MS failed to notice the wince name |
| 04:02:06 | DrBoB | lol |
| 04:02:17 | DaWorm | they have to wait for ver. 3 |
| 04:02:27 | DaWorm | and even casio still uses wince |
| 04:02:31 | DaWorm | since dumping ppc |
| 04:03:56 | DrBoB | I like the idea of a RISC cpu .... |
| 04:05:00 | DrBoB | but I also like to be able to read an 80 column screen |
| 04:06:10 | DrBoB | well, my thumbs are getting tired again....I better shut up and lurk |
| 04:07:14 | scanline | DrBoB: IRC'ing from the zaurus? |
| 04:07:24 | DrBoB | yes |
| 04:07:33 | sj-z | same here |
| 04:08:32 | Wembly | herm. |
| 04:08:36 | Wembly | hihi all :) |
| 04:09:46 | BZFlag | back. DrBoB: what about a 3.5" that's 640x480? |
| 04:10:35 | DrBoB | bbs....changing over to my Toshiba Libretto...that would be nice BZ.... |
| 04:12:12 | jbwiv | when using the qpe FileSelector class, I get "Categories::labels didn't find app Document View". I know this has something to do with my desktop file not being correct, but I'm not sure how to fix it. Can anyone point me to some docs or info? thx |
| 04:16:28 | DrBoB | yowsa |
| 04:18:59 | DrBoB | BZFlag: I was thinking more of a updated makeover of the HP 200LX that runs Linux QTopia natively |
| 04:19:10 | DrBoB | wtf? |
| 04:19:17 | scanline | ieeee! |
| 04:19:27 | scanline | my head hurts.... |
| 04:19:28 | sj-z | network split and rejoin |
| 04:19:36 | scanline | twice :P |
| 04:19:41 | treke|home | dont forget to donate... |
| 04:19:48 | scanline | heh |
| 04:20:00 | DrBoB | at the sperm bank? LOL |
| 04:20:50 | DrBoB | or the Plasma/blood bank? |
| 04:21:28 | treke|home | DrBoB: no OPN :) |
| 04:22:52 | jbwiv | anyone know of a good resource that documents possible contents of a Qtopia .desktop file? |
| 04:22:55 | DrBoB | D'oh! |
| 04:22:57 | | it has been said that qtopia is the new name for QPE and it is at qpe.sourceforge.net or a more well developed and binary compatable fork of qtopia is opie |
| 04:22:57 | jbwiv | ibot qtopia |
| 04:23:05 | treke|home | jbwiv: anything can go in it |
| 04:23:35 | treke|home | as for documented stuff, let me check. |
| 04:24:38 | treke|home | http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec.html |
| 04:24:53 | DrBoB | My TV outsmarted me again this afternoon...so I'm not the guy to ask |
| 04:25:14 | jbwiv | treke|home: I'm looking for what *should* go in it ;-). When I try to use qpe's FileSelector class, I get : Categories::labels didn't find app Document View. I'm assuming that's something that should go in the desktop file... |
| 04:25:31 | jbwiv | cool. thx! |
| 04:25:55 | treke|home | jbwiv: Categories are handled by qpe |
| 04:26:05 | treke|home | jbwiv: you shouldnt need to deal with them |
| 04:26:12 | jbwiv | hmm... |
| 04:26:53 | jbwiv | whenever I create new instance of FileSelector, I get that message outputted to stderr and no dialog appears... |
| 04:26:57 | treke|home | jbwiv: if you want to set the category of a doc, there is probably a setCategory member |
| 04:27:09 | treke|home | jbwiv: it doesnt appear till you show the widget |
| 04:27:53 | jbwiv | treke|home: probably a better question...where can I find information about qpe specifically, as in what Categories are....etc, etc. |
| 04:28:34 | treke|home | jbwiv: Categories are user definable. Use the DocLnk class to deal with the desktop filed. Dont edit them on your own |
| 04:29:35 | Wembly | ok |
| 04:29:53 | jbwiv | treke|home: alright, thx. more interested in where to learn more about qpe internals....the class documentation that comes with the Qtopia dev env is sparse at best.... |
| 04:29:56 | Wembly | i find it greatly disturbing that there is a microsoft ad for vs.net in sourceforge.... |
| 04:30:02 | treke|home | jbwiv: read the source |
| 04:30:06 | Wembly | well not so much disturbing as much as just.. funny :) |
| 04:30:15 | jbwiv | treke|home: lol. touche' |
| 04:34:40 | DrBoB | I would like someone to analyse Arkansas.net and tell those clowns how to reject spam before it enters their network (I'm getting 50 a day filtered into mytrash file) |
| 04:35:41 | DrBoB | I'm I'm just a private ISP customer |
| 04:42:23 | Wembly | welp |
| 04:42:38 | Wembly | i may or maynot be back depending on if my firewall works or not and how well.. hehe |
| 04:42:41 | Wembly | bbiab |
| 04:49:41 | Wembly | yeye! |
| 04:49:42 | Wembly | im alive! |
| 04:49:45 | Wembly | *laugh* |
| 04:50:57 | oGMo | hrmm |
| 04:51:24 | oGMo | Wembly: dude, are you in .ca? |
| 04:52:53 | Wembly | nope |
| 04:52:59 | oGMo | oh |
| 04:53:00 | oGMo | hrm |
| 04:53:03 | Wembly | whyfor? |
| 04:53:24 | oGMo | i thought you were someone else i knew from #E |
| 04:53:35 | Wembly | hehe |
| 04:53:39 | Wembly | sorry :) |
| 04:53:54 | oGMo | heh that's ok, i just forget who i'm thinking of ;) |
| 04:54:00 | Wembly | hehe :) |
| 05:13:09 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 05:21:39 | TheMasterMind1 | is away: fell asleep |
| 05:26:19 | BZFlag | TheMasterMind1: please kill auto away msgs. |
| 05:30:55 | DrBoB | Is anyone porting mplayer over to the Z?? http://www.MPlayerHQ.hu/homepage/dload.html |
| 05:31:32 | treke|home | DrBoB: yes |
| 05:31:57 | treke|home | I dont particularly see why youd want to though |
| 05:32:51 | DrBoB | where do they hang out? I want todoRealvideo/audio streams on the Z (playback) |
| 05:33:15 | treke|home | RealAudio wont on a z |
| 05:33:54 | DrBoB | Any particular reason? |
| 05:34:12 | treke|home | it uses binary only codecs to decode the data. |
| 05:36:12 | DrBoB | I bet realmedia would be willing to supply the ARM codecs with a little polite begging...considering the number of strongarm PDAs out there |
| 05:36:30 | scanline | why realvideo? |
| 05:36:49 | scanline | Use an open codec like ffmpeg instead of begging Real for binaries |
| 05:36:51 | DrBoB | I want to listen to NASA TN feeds |
| 05:36:56 | treke|home | DrBoB: nope |
| 05:37:08 | DrBoB | TV |
| 05:37:17 | treke|home | DrBoB: REAL wasnt interested in a Zaurus player |
| 05:37:24 | scanline | DrBoB: set up a server to downsample and convert the video to something open |
| 05:37:44 | DrBoB | and NASA only streams in real and windoze media formats |
| 05:38:49 | scanline | DrBoB: mplayer supports windows media streaming, so depending on the codec you might be able to use that |
| 05:39:11 | treke|home | scanline: once again though, binary codecs :) |
| 05:39:24 | scanline | depends on which codec they use |
| 05:39:34 | DrBoB | maybe I can get NASA to set up a streaming MP3 ....then use zradio |
| 05:39:56 | scanline | Just set up your own server to convert the stream to an ogg or something |
| 05:40:28 | DrBoB | haahaha...Me?? LOL...now you are dreaming!! |
| 05:41:26 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 3 hours, 12 minutes and 58 seconds ago, saying: prpplague: odd. what was it building at the time? [Mon Aug 19 03:28:28 2002] |
| 05:41:26 | scanline | ibot: seen kergoth? |
| 05:42:08 | DrBoB | Dammit Scanline, I'm a doctor not a software engineer :-) |
| 05:42:14 | scanline | hahahaha |
| 05:42:39 | scanline | Must be the best perk of being a doctor, legitimate use of that line :) |
| 05:43:02 | scanline | "Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a nuclear physicist!" |
| 05:43:22 | DrBoB | yep.... |
| 05:45:11 | DrBoB | I wrote to one of the guys who did the Linux Realplayer and he said he might do us a realplayer in his spare time..... for fun |
| 05:45:30 | treke|home | nifty |
| 05:45:54 | DrBoB | but others here ave saidthey were turned down |
| 05:46:29 | treke|home | DrBoB: well its a lot easier to port it and then get real to release it than it is to get real to port it |
| 05:47:02 | treke|home | DrBoB: keep in mind that the person who did the Linux RealPlayer may not actually be a real anymore. They just recently did a bit of downsizing |
| 05:47:47 | DrBoB | gwright@real.com (greg wright) said he would consider it |
| 05:48:00 | treke|home | DrBoB: if he's still there :) |
| 05:48:03 | [DrEvil] | Real is always ignoring my resume |
| 05:48:13 | [DrEvil] | bastards |
| 05:48:18 | [DrEvil] | they don't know what they are missing |
| 05:49:01 | DrBoB | I will try to email him again and see if he's still there |
| 05:52:03 | DrBoB | I didn't want to nag him to the point of pissing him off and ruining perhaps the only chance of getting a realplayer for the Z.... |
| 05:54:26 | NeoTron | is away: sleep |
| 05:56:13 | cdm | evil has left! |
| 05:56:23 | scanline | hi cdm |
| 05:56:39 | cdm | hey scanline |
| 05:59:08 | DrBoB | I imagine that RealMedia might have Hired DrEvil right away if he hadn't demanded ONE MILLION DOLLARS right off the bat :-) |
| 06:01:07 | DrBoB | or is it RealNetworks? Bah! |
| 06:01:24 | scanline | RealCruft |
| 06:02:55 | scanline | plays Abuse with the SDL display mapped into an OpenGL texture.. what fun! |
| 06:04:03 | DrBoB | well, It's past my bedtime and I'm getting RealTired [tm] so I'll bid you all good night |
| 06:04:31 | scanline | "Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor not a coffee shop janitor!" |
| 06:21:01 | Zxcvb | is the SL-5500 about to be discontinued? |
| 06:22:22 | BZFlag | Zxcvb: no. but the 5600 is in the works. |
| 06:22:39 | Zxcvb | ah |
| 06:22:55 | Zxcvb | the 5500 was for sale for $199 according to some news article |
| 06:23:46 | treke|home | Zxcvb: dunno about that. Probably a store dumping stock |
| 06:24:55 | Zxcvb | was looking at one to replace my visor prism (handspring has discontinued the visor line) |
| 06:25:12 | Zxcvb | any idea if 5600 apps will be binary compatible with the 5500? |
| 06:25:32 | Rince | what is the advantage of the 5600`? |
| 06:25:49 | treke|home | Zxcvb: Thats up in the air |
| 06:26:20 | treke|home | Rince: there hasnt been a whole lot said about the 5600 other than it will be an xscale and have 32mb of rom |
| 06:26:48 | Rince | what is an xscale? |
| 06:27:13 | Zxcvb | treke|home: what about source compatability? |
| 06:27:29 | Zxcvb | treke|home: that is, will it still use the same GUI/libs? |
| 06:27:38 | treke|home | Rince: its a type of cpu. Its getting fairly popular in pocket pc based pdas |
| 06:27:57 | treke|home | Zxcvb: I'd say theres a 99% chance of that |
| 06:27:58 | Rince | so no strongarm anymore? |
| 06:28:07 | Zxcvb | treke|home: or should I wait for the 5600 as many apps will not be compatible |
| 06:28:45 | treke|home | Zxcvb: cant make a recomendation. I dont know the specifics of the 5600. I'm sure sharp is considering compatibility |
| 06:29:08 | Zxcvb | treke|home: will the 5500 still be supported (like with hancomm office updates) after the 5600 is out |
| 06:29:13 | treke|home | Zxcvb: The biggest thing is your time frame. A 5600 probably wont be out for a couple months |
| 06:29:37 | treke|home | Zxcvb: I dont know |
| 06:29:37 | Zxcvb | treke|home: it will probably be a few more months |
| 06:30:16 | treke|home | Zxcvb: If you dont plan on updating for a couple of months, then wait for the 5600. I dont know if I'd put off a purchase to wait for one though. |
| 06:30:37 | Zxcvb | treke|home: hopefully the 5600 will run 5500 apps |
| 06:32:21 | treke|home | Zxcvb: more likely the problems would be with continued 5500 support. Commercial apps for the zaurus would probably be updated, but new stuff may not be built for the 5500 |
| 06:32:35 | treke|home | one of those annoying problems with technology advancing :) |
| 06:33:41 | Zxcvb | treke|home: wouldn't that depend on how compatible the desktop environment is? |
| 06:36:06 | treke|home | Zxcvb: Thats not the stuff thats likely to change. Its compiling the software for the xscale cpu that will cause problems and possibly using a different compiler. QTe/Qtopia isnt going to change much. There are people far more knoweledgable than I on this topic though |
| 06:37:30 | Zxcvb | treke|home: it still won't use gcc? |
| 06:37:46 | treke|home | Zxcvb: it might be a different version of gcc |
| 06:38:08 | Zxcvb | treke|home: will probably get a 5600 |
| 06:38:21 | treke|home | Zxcvb: cool. |
| 06:38:21 | Zxcvb | treke|home: will the xscale make the palm emulator run much faster? |
| 06:38:33 | treke|home | Zxcvb: maybe, maybe not |
| 06:38:51 | Zxcvb | treke|home: hopefully the 5600 will support SD modems, leaving the CF free for a microdrive |
| 06:38:54 | treke|home | if the palm emulator is a major app in your mind, I'd recosider getting a zaurus :) |
| 06:39:13 | Zxcvb | treke|home: not really major |
| 06:39:51 | Zxcvb | treke|home: but could be useful, unless the zaurus can fake a palm for beaming purposes |
| 06:41:23 | treke|home | Zxcvb: I know opie can beam to a palm, a zaurus should be able to. App support may be spotty |
| 06:41:28 | Zxcvb | treke|home: such a layer would be much faster (compare samba to bochs) |
| 06:41:45 | treke|home | Zxcvb: Just wanted to make sure you werent buying a Z to run your apps through an emulator |
| 06:42:19 | Zxcvb | treke|home: nah, games are a different matter |
| 06:42:50 | treke|home | Zxcvb: The ir protocal is a reasonably standard one iirc |
| 06:43:08 | Zxcvb | treke|home: the palm uses it's own file formats, though |
| 06:43:52 | Zxcvb | is SD much better than MMC for the Z? |
| 06:44:01 | treke|home | dunno |
| 06:44:06 | Microdim | SD is faster |
| 06:44:15 | treke|home | You can get higher capacity card |
| 06:44:25 | Microdim | yes SD you can get 512 |
| 06:44:33 | Microdim | MB |
| 06:44:36 | Zxcvb | SD is twice as expensive, isn't it? |
| 06:44:45 | Zxcvb | Microdim: can you use a SD modem? |
| 06:45:21 | Microdim | SD Modem....I didn't know there was such a device...do you have a website where I can see it? |
| 06:45:34 | treke|home | Zxcvb: You cant on a 5500 |
| 06:46:37 | Microdim | well is there a way to turn the screen off when playing mp3's with tckplayer? |
| 06:47:17 | Zxcvb | treke|home: how about a modem that hooks up to the sync port? |
| 06:47:47 | treke|home | Zxcvb: I dont know of any |
| 06:48:00 | Microdim | whats wrong with cf? |
| 06:48:24 | Zxcvb | Microdim: only one cf port, so a microdrive can't be used with a modem |
| 06:49:02 | Microdim | O I C, I have a microdrive also...but is there a reason the microdrive has to be in all the time? |
| 06:49:22 | Microdim | that sucks batteries |
| 06:49:38 | Zxcvb | Microdim: so the microdrive is best for backups, not for general use? |
| 06:51:32 | Microdim | I have one, I use it to hold my mp3's that I may want to listen to while I am out and about... and I carry it in its little carrier until I want to listen to mp3's and as far as the applications for the modem most of them will install on to a sd, if you do that then the cf is free for a wireless modem like mine or a wireless network card |
| 06:52:02 | Microdim | and for backups I just bought a little 64MB MMC |
| 06:52:20 | Microdim | for general use I got a 128 SD card |
| 06:52:25 | Zxcvb | oops |
| 06:52:36 | Microdim | and for backups I just bought a little 64MB MMC |
| 06:52:36 | Zxcvb | has anyone written a gui app to enable/disable the ftp server? |
| 06:52:46 | Microdim | server manager? |
| 06:53:09 | Zxcvb | since it allows anyone to get full read/write access over the internet |
| 06:53:40 | | BZFlag was last seen on #uclibc 25 minutes and 26 seconds ago, saying: reading [Mon Aug 19 07:28:14 2002] |
| 06:53:40 | scanline | ibot: seen BZFlag? |
| 07:00:06 | Wembly | herm. |
| 07:00:14 | Wembly | anyone have a linux and a win32 box next to them? |
| 07:00:39 | Zxcvb | Microdim: do you ever sync the zaurus? |
| 07:01:17 | Wembly | zxcvb: actualy it dosnt |
| 07:01:28 | Wembly | zxcvb: you have to be within a non-routable ip block |
| 07:01:35 | Wembly | zxcvb: for it to even let you connect |
| 07:01:51 | Wembly | zxcvb: speificly you need to be within 192.168.129.x iirc |
| 07:02:09 | Wembly | anything outside of that ip block will just get the connection refused. |
| 07:05:13 | Zxcvb | any chance of a zaurus emulator for the pc? |
| 07:05:35 | Wembly | in what ways? |
| 07:05:41 | Wembly | an emulator for qtopia? |
| 07:05:48 | Zxcvb | no, for the zaurus |
| 07:05:49 | Wembly | or an emulator for the hardware? |
| 07:05:50 | Zxcvb | including the CPU |
| 07:06:00 | Zxcvb | like pose is a palm emulator |
| 07:06:35 | Wembly | yea but you cant cross platform compile palm apps? |
| 07:06:51 | Wembly | err |
| 07:06:56 | Zxcvb | you can, but a true emulator would make debugging easier |
| 07:07:01 | Wembly | you cant run palm apps in native x86 or anything |
| 07:07:20 | Zxcvb | pose will run palm apps, and includes a decent debugger |
| 07:07:38 | Wembly | but they have to be compiled for the processor. |
| 07:07:44 | Zxcvb | Wembly: no they don't |
| 07:07:45 | Wembly | not for the host processor |
| 07:08:04 | treke|home | Zxcvb: Dont write cpu dependant code :) |
| 07:08:06 | Zxcvb | Wembly: you can run zx spectrum software on the zaurus |
| 07:08:17 | Wembly | ?? |
| 07:08:22 | Wembly | whats that have to do with anything? |
| 07:09:23 | Zxcvb | it should be possible to run software compiled for the zaurus on an x86 |
| 07:09:42 | treke|home | Zxcvb: just compile that software for the x86 and debug it that way |
| 07:09:42 | Zxcvb | not sure if there are good ARM/xscale CPU emulation cores around, though |
| 07:10:57 | treke|home | unless you are doing a game/audio/video player you shouldnt notice a diffrence |
| 07:11:24 | Wembly | agrees with treke |
| 07:11:49 | Wembly | treke: and if even if you are use a remote gdb stuffs |
| 07:12:20 | treke|home | or run gdb on your zaurus :) |
| 07:12:29 | Wembly | that kinda gets a bit big tho |
| 07:15:55 | treke|home | there are some people that even do much of their debugging using the Windows version of QT |
| 07:19:06 | Zxcvb | how is SDL on the zaurus coming? |
| 07:49:38 | Wembly | anyone alive? |
| 08:42:41 | Skizotoro | anyone know what is resetting my Z's routing tables when I put it on the docking station? |
| 08:46:06 | Skizotoro | 'cradle' |
| 09:52:16 | Wembly | shizotoro: herm. the initalization of the usbd0 interface? |
| 10:09:19 | imm | hi |
| 10:09:27 | scanline | hi imm |
| 10:10:19 | George- | yo immy |
| 10:10:30 | scanline | hi George- |
| 10:10:49 | scanline | grooves to Chorale and watches the walls light up to the beat |
| 10:11:21 | George- | if my app is tailored for the Sharp ROM, I don't have to care about file permissions, right? :) |
| 10:12:08 | imm | George-: its all root there |
| 10:12:19 | George- | I know |
| 10:12:19 | George- | heh |
| 10:15:13 | Harlekin | George-: but dont be sure who long that will last |
| 10:15:27 | George- | Harlekin: I know |
| 10:15:41 | George- | Harlekin: Maybe in the beta i'll leave that "feature" out, as it's not criticle |
| 10:30:08 | George- | argh |
| 10:30:11 | George- | stupid fscking bug |
| 10:30:13 | George- | I hate you |
| 10:30:25 | George- | hey ljp |
| 10:35:51 | George- | my stupid app is segfaulting left right and center |
| 11:07:17 | tux_mike | i really need it to rain more often |
| 11:09:50 | pdq | not here, please, there is enough water as it is |
| 11:11:31 | tux_mike | i sleep much better when it rains. i actually feel rested |
| 11:15:48 | George- | pdq: lol |
| 11:15:52 | George- | tux_mike: bah |
| 11:16:11 | tux_mike | bah yourself. :P |
| 11:16:21 | George- | tux_mike: where do you live? |
| 11:16:44 | tux_mike | chcago |
| 11:16:51 | George- | oh |
| 11:16:55 | tux_mike | chicago |
| 11:17:06 | George- | i live in pixieland |
| 11:17:12 | George- | ducks |
| 11:17:34 | tux_mike | pixieland? |
| 11:17:47 | George- | lol |
| 11:17:57 | George- | wtf? |
| 11:18:01 | George- | warcraft has no spawn |
| 11:27:37 | imm | QPE is broken ! |
| 11:27:42 | imm | fuck |
| 11:28:41 | George- | it is? |
| 11:31:04 | George- | nooo! WarCraft III won't load |
| 11:32:27 | robert_ | hi |
| 11:32:31 | imm | George-: yep, bitBlt does not handle alpha regions |
| 11:34:15 | George- | lol |
| 11:34:50 | imm | George-: not lol, thats prety much fucking bulshit :( |
| 11:35:23 | | qpe is nothing but a spur-galled thimbleful of culturally-unsound entrails. |
| 11:35:23 | imm | ibot insult qpe |
| 11:36:27 | George- | imm: oh |
| 11:36:36 | George- | imm: is it that bad? |
| 11:36:45 | tux_mike | imm: which blit operation are you talking about? |
| 11:38:42 | imm | tux_mike: bitBlt |
| 11:39:18 | imm | tux_mike: qt3 handles it fine but 2.3 is broken |
| 11:39:33 | imm | maybe qt-interest can help me |
| 11:39:37 | tux_mike | in which class? |
| 11:39:46 | tux_mike | in QPainter it's fine. |
| 11:40:09 | | sucky alpha blits is nothing but a coughed-up heap of pointy-nosed armadillo snouts. |
| 11:40:09 | scanline | ibot: insult sucky alpha blits |
| 11:40:21 | scanline | whacks ibot with a grammar stick |
| 11:40:39 | | infobot grammar is nothing but a thick heap of vain bug spit. |
| 11:40:39 | scanline | ibot: insult infobot grammar |
| 11:40:52 | George- | LOL |
| 11:40:59 | | scanline is nothing but a thick heap of sausage-snorfling buzzard gizzards. |
| 11:40:59 | George- | ibot insult scanline |
| 11:41:06 | scanline | :P |
| 11:41:08 | chouimat|coffee | morning |
| 11:41:09 | George- | sausage snorfling? |
| 11:41:10 | George- | o_O |
| 11:41:13 | George- | heya chouimat|coffee |
| 11:41:33 | imm | tux_mike: i can send you a test case which shows the bug pretty well |
| 11:42:08 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 11:42:18 | chouimat|coffee | hi George- |
| 11:42:29 | imm | chouimat|coffee: moin |
| 11:43:14 | chouimat|coffee | hi imm |
| 11:43:42 | chouimat|coffee | imm: completly rewrote the C-based message parser |
| 11:44:36 | imm | chouimat|coffee: you are diligent |
| 11:44:58 | chouimat|coffee | imm: it's QStringList based |
| 11:46:39 | imm | chouimat|coffee: i found a bug in QPE which forces me to let my pixmap flicker :( |
| 11:47:05 | chouimat|coffee | imm: bad |
| 11:47:29 | tux_mike | imm: are you double buffering? |
| 11:47:47 | chouimat|coffee | George-: Gentoo 1.4 with Gcc 3.2 is you |
| 11:48:23 | George- | what? |
| 11:48:28 | robert_ | mh...sorry, but where can i download software for the zaurus? I am searching a few games. |
| 11:48:47 | | zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 11:48:47 | Cloudchaser | ibot zsi |
| 11:48:49 | Cloudchaser | there |
| 11:49:48 | robert_ | thx |
| 11:50:04 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 11:50:59 | George- | Cloudchaser: I installed 2.9.5.5 |
| 11:51:11 | George- | Cloudchaser: and I get 5-10% app cpu usage when not running op² |
| 11:51:16 | George- | Cloudchaser: and op² runs smoothly |
| 11:51:47 | Cloudchaser | must just be me |
| 11:51:52 | Cloudchaser | my z is haunted |
| 11:52:04 | chouimat|coffee | George-: I just say that gentoo 1.4 is out |
| 11:52:16 | George- | chouimat|coffee: cool |
| 11:52:17 | Cloudchaser | actually its not just me.. |
| 11:52:21 | imm | tux_mike: no, i just bitBlt a QPixmap in a QLabel |
| 11:52:24 | Cloudchaser | someone else is having that cpu issu |
| 11:52:35 | Cloudchaser | i just can't remember who |
| 11:53:00 | George- | Cloudchaser: perhaps it's 5500 specific? |
| 11:53:40 | Cloudchaser | maybe.. maybe its some wierd combo of events |
| 11:53:44 | Cloudchaser | who knows |
| 11:54:18 | Cloudchaser | maybe its the 40/24 image |
| 11:54:23 | Cloudchaser | dunno |
| 11:54:45 | George- | shouldn't be |
| 11:55:44 | George- | chouimat|coffee: apparently it's not been released yet |
| 11:56:02 | George- | chouimat|coffee: according to trance |
| 12:00:31 | benmeyer | Morning |
| 12:00:50 | Cloudchaser | 'morning! |
| 12:01:01 | Cloudchaser | how was linux world? |
| 12:01:22 | benmeyer | stressfull |
| 12:01:29 | Cloudchaser | aww :( |
| 12:01:48 | benmeyer | but ok |
| 12:01:51 | benmeyer | got lots of photos |
| 12:01:58 | benmeyer | will be up later this week I hope |
| 12:02:12 | Cloudchaser | ah great! |
| 12:02:45 | linux-Gg | Hi benmeyer |
| 12:03:08 | cranch | what up in da HOUSE |
| 12:03:08 | cranch | :) |
| 12:03:27 | Harlekin | hey benmeyer |
| 12:03:30 | darienm | George-: your icon is done. Wanna see? |
| 12:03:36 | linux-Gg | benmeyer: Were you one of the people reviewing my games (the ones from www.linux-games.com) for the contest? |
| 12:04:27 | darienm | dangles a pretty icon in front of George- while saying "whoo hooooo" |
| 12:04:53 | imm | darienm: can i have also an icons from you ? |
| 12:04:57 | Cloudchaser | hehe hiya darienm |
| 12:05:04 | darienm | imm What are you developing? |
| 12:05:10 | darienm | Hello Cloudchaser |
| 12:05:27 | cranch | nobody fsck's with the Jesus |
| 12:05:38 | imm | darienm: a matchmaking app, and a Jezz Ball like game |
| 12:05:47 | benmeyer | linux-Gg: what was your game? |
| 12:05:51 | darienm | imm: sounds like fun. Timeframe? |
| 12:05:56 | George- | darienm: yesplease :) |
| 12:05:59 | linux-Gg | benmeyer: Karl bartel |
| 12:06:00 | George- | darienm: I did an icon as well |
| 12:06:04 | darienm | George-: http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/html_editor_icon.png |
| 12:06:05 | cranch | sorry..watching too much Big Lebowski |
| 12:06:10 | darienm | George-: http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/html_editor_apps.png |
| 12:06:20 | imm | darienm: no |
| 12:06:30 | imm | darienm: it should be a heart :) |
| 12:06:39 | darienm | imm: Cuz I wouldn't be able to get to it for a week. |
| 12:06:55 | benmeyer | linux-Gg: yah it was me |
| 12:06:57 | cranch | JEZZBALL ON THE Z |
| 12:06:59 | cranch | My life is ruined |
| 12:07:02 | benmeyer | I loaded up subhunt |
| 12:07:08 | George- | darienm: hey! That's nice! |
| 12:07:13 | imm | darienm: no prob, i have an ugly selfmade one till then |
| 12:07:15 | darienm | George-: THANK YOU ! |
| 12:07:19 | George- | darienm: that totally rocks |
| 12:07:43 | imm | darienm: nice icon ! |
| 12:07:55 | darienm | imm: Thanks. I also did the "Drug Lookup" one on that screen. |
| 12:08:08 | darienm | imm: And a handful of others |
| 12:08:29 | linux-Gg | benmeyer: I just wonder when they will contact me and say whether the games are OK. |
| 12:09:15 | benmeyer | ah, well I probably have an e-mail waiting for me today to look over |
| 12:09:21 | benmeyer | just got back from linux world |
| 12:09:36 | George- | darienm: that just... rocks |
| 12:11:12 | imm | George-: now you get a Z just for the icon :) |
| 12:11:27 | George- | imm: LOL |
| 12:11:52 | George- | I'm so bullshit at warcraft |
| 12:11:52 | George- | lol |
| 12:11:55 | benmeyer | they should be ok |
| 12:11:58 | benmeyer | as long as they are ipks |
| 12:12:06 | benmeyer | we can just install and run |
| 12:12:10 | benmeyer | and it should be fine |
| 12:13:04 | imm | benmeyer: how many betas did you receive till today ? |
| 12:13:43 | benmeyer | I don't actually handle it |
| 12:13:48 | benmeyer | Chris downstairs does |
| 12:14:20 | benmeyer | and he forwards me stuff (questions, binaries) that are more technical that he can't answer. |
| 12:14:38 | linux-Gg | benmeyer: I couldn't test the ipks, so I'm not absolutely shure the work. That's why I'm be quite reliefed when I get comments... |
| 12:14:52 | imm | benmeyer: give him my best regards ;) |
| 12:17:01 | benmeyer | linux-Gg: passed first test (on the feed). Give me 15 minutes |
| 12:17:17 | linux-Gg | benmeyer: thanks |
| 12:17:25 | benmeyer | still unpacking |
| 12:18:54 | | i heard Sniper was a Sharp marketing slave or will be at LinuxWorld |
| 12:18:54 | Harlekin | ibot: Sniper |
| 12:18:58 | Harlekin | .) |
| 12:19:00 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 12:19:48 | George- | heya Sniper |
| 12:20:02 | George- | why does everyone say that whenever Sniper walks in? :) |
| 12:21:13 | Sniper | ? |
| 12:22:42 | djk | Sniper: how was LinuxWorld? |
| 12:26:11 | benmeyer | Got to see the A300 |
| 12:26:13 | benmeyer | that was cool |
| 12:27:37 | George- | benmeyer: what's it like? |
| 12:28:01 | linux-Gg | general A300 info: http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/020624.html |
| 12:28:54 | mickeyl | This is not the same as the rumoured SL5600 or is it? |
| 12:29:03 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 12:29:10 | benmeyer | eh, ok. Smaller then I thought. The lether top is a nice touch, but not sure how well it would protect |
| 12:29:17 | benmeyer | not the sam |
| 12:29:27 | | ...but a300 is the new, smaller Linux based Zaurus for the Japanese market. It doesn't have a keyboard or a CF slot. CPU is a 200 MHz XScale. More information at http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/020624.html or it sucks because it uses Xscale... |
| 12:29:27 | benmeyer | ibot A300 is not the 5600 |
| 12:29:38 | | ...but a300 is the new, smaller Linux based Zaurus for the Japanese market. It doesn't have a keyboard or a CF slot. CPU is a 200 MHz XScale. More information at http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/020624.html or it sucks because it uses Xscale... |
| 12:29:38 | benmeyer | ibot a300 is the new, smaller Linux based Zaurus for the Japanese market. It |
| 12:29:38 | benmeyer | doesn't have a keyboard or a CF slot. CPU is a 200 MHz XScale. More information |
| 12:29:38 | benmeyer | at http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/020624.html or it sucks because it uses |
| 12:29:39 | benmeyer | Xscale... |
| 12:29:41 | benmeyer | ugg |
| 12:29:44 | benmeyer | sorry |
| 12:30:18 | George- | Xscale sucks |
| 12:31:38 | George- | lol, the cradle looks retarded :) |
| 12:31:46 | Harlekin | benmeyer: hehe, finally got one? |
| 12:32:02 | TheMasterMind1 | haah! i'll have my zaurus in 5 hours |
| 12:32:18 | TheMasterMind1 | any idea when ups deliveries usually come in, what time? |
| 12:32:36 | uncon | depends on where you are |
| 12:32:36 | George- | hrmm |
| 12:32:39 | George- | the A300 has 64B RAM |
| 12:32:40 | uncon | and your local ups |
| 12:32:41 | George- | bitch! |
| 12:33:40 | George- | there has GOT to be a way of upgrading the 5000D's internal RAM :) |
| 12:34:20 | cutm | anyone get their Zaurus for the dev challenge yet? |
| 12:34:49 | George- | ask sniper |
| 12:34:50 | TheMasterMind1 | uncon: 2.3 miles away |
| 12:35:06 | uncon | and, their route.... |
| 12:35:09 | TheMasterMind1 | George-: you're right.. |
| 12:35:11 | TheMasterMind1 | uncon: heh |
| 12:35:12 | imm | George-: im quite good in soldring ;) |
| 12:35:18 | uncon | and what time they feel like getting started |
| 12:35:23 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm thinking around 1pm i'll get it |
| 12:35:25 | George- | imm: where do you live? |
| 12:35:25 | George- | ;) |
| 12:35:37 | imm | George-: far away |
| 12:35:40 | imm | :) |
| 12:36:03 | George- | what's the internal speaker on the A300 like? |
| 12:36:10 | imm | George-: i have left a 256M SO-DIMM which wont fit in my Laptop |
| 12:36:26 | George- | hahaha |
| 12:36:28 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 12:36:32 | imm | George-: and a 9Gig hd |
| 12:36:33 | George- | I have 3 256MB SODIMM which are all used up in my laptops |
| 12:36:33 | George- | ;) |
| 12:36:36 | George- | LOL |
| 12:36:44 | George- | yeh, lets strap the HD on the back! |
| 12:36:47 | George- | 8g* |
| 12:36:58 | TheMasterMind1 | not a bad idea |
| 12:37:04 | George- | invents a laptop drive caddy from the CF slot |
| 12:37:22 | imm | George-: just tape it on |
| 12:37:32 | bipolar | George-: Why not call the people that do the iPaq memory upgrades? |
| 12:37:32 | George- | haha |
| 12:37:40 | George- | bipolar: cos I've got no money? :) |
| 12:37:53 | George- | imm: if I selotape 2 5000Ds together.. :) |
| 12:37:54 | bipolar | George-: good reason.... :) |
| 12:38:18 | George- | bipolar: plus they don't do Zaurus |
| 12:39:57 | imm | what shall i code next ? |
| 12:41:09 | George- | imm: an AI |
| 12:42:18 | Wintre | A Turing test judge. |
| 12:42:47 | imm | ah, the brainfuck compiler is next |
| 12:45:16 | George- | imm: port kde to qt/embedded |
| 12:45:19 | George- | ducks |
| 12:46:09 | Harlekin | why port |
| 12:46:15 | Harlekin | configure is enough |
| 12:46:18 | anselor | rig up an agp port for the zaurus so we can plug in a radeon 9700 |
| 12:46:38 | George- | Harlekin: ? |
| 12:46:47 | George- | anselor: hahahaha |
| 12:46:52 | Harlekin | George-: you can compile kde against it |
| 12:46:53 | anselor | battery'll only last like 5 minutes, but it'll be 5 minutes of fun! |
| 12:46:56 | George- | Harlekin: hrmm |
| 12:46:59 | George- | Harlekin: not a bad idea... |
| 12:47:05 | Harlekin | not good idea |
| 12:47:10 | George- | Harlekin: But I only have 160MB CF :) |
| 12:47:33 | imm | anselor: i will do it, please send me a Z and a radeon |
| 12:47:42 | George- | LOL |
| 12:47:55 | George- | imm: and funding for 10 years :) |
| 12:48:04 | anselor | haha |
| 12:48:53 | imm | George-: lets say 20, inkl shipping and such stuff :) |
| 12:48:58 | George- | lol |
| 12:49:02 | George- | and all the materials |
| 12:49:55 | numatrix | Morning all. Anybody know if the zaurus is big-endian or little-endian? |
| 12:50:08 | George- | little |
| 12:50:09 | George- | I think |
| 12:50:12 | imm | anselor: so when i get this stuff, i quited here 2min ago |
| 12:50:50 | Harlekin | numatrix: little, but can be both hardwarewise |
| 12:51:54 | numatrix | Cool, thanks Harlekin |
| 12:52:21 | imm | numatrix: http://www.handhelds.org/minihowto/porting-software.html |
| 12:52:37 | numatrix | Dang; I really could have used that document a few weeks ago before I started figuring it all out myself. |
| 12:52:39 | numatrix | Thanks imm. |
| 12:54:20 | KGBudz | where do you recommend to find a good deal on sd/mmc mem card? |
| 12:54:36 | TheMasterMind1 | KGBudz: buy.com |
| 12:55:10 | KGBudz | whats the biggest size |
| 12:56:18 | TheMasterMind1 | KGBudz: buy.com |
| 12:56:29 | KGBudz | and does brand matter |
| 12:56:52 | TheMasterMind1 | well |
| 12:56:55 | TheMasterMind1 | what zaurus do you have |
| 12:57:10 | TheMasterMind1 | if you have the latest rom on the 5500, the sandisk 128 megs should work |
| 12:57:13 | TheMasterMind1 | else, they won't |
| 12:57:26 | KGBudz | alright |
| 12:57:49 | TheMasterMind1 | buy.com has a sandisk and a lexar |
| 12:57:51 | TheMasterMind1 | 128meg |
| 12:57:55 | TheMasterMind1 | for 66 |
| 12:59:32 | KGBudz | ya |
| 13:00:37 | KGBudz | how about wireless lan |
| 13:00:42 | KGBudz | buy has Harmony OpenAir |
| 13:00:46 | djk | I got the panasonic 128SD from http://www.ritzcamera.com for $99 worked no problem |
| 13:01:00 | KGBudz | but its listed as romerf |
| 13:01:04 | KGBudz | homerf |
| 13:01:13 | djk | I hear the buffalo wireless is good on power and size |
| 13:01:16 | KGBudz | is it still compatable with wireless networks |
| 13:01:22 | KGBudz | buffalo? |
| 13:02:01 | djk | http://www.zones.com/cgi-bin/zones/site/product/index.html?id=211374 |
| 13:02:43 | KGBudz | nice |
| 13:02:45 | mickeyl | djk: don't buy the buffalo. |
| 13:02:49 | KGBudz | no? |
| 13:03:20 | mickeyl | djk: NO! it is a power hog and has bad range. don't trust advertised values - i have compared it to the socket card, which is a lot better |
| 13:03:33 | prpplague | morning all |
| 13:04:13 | KGBudz | mickey, what do you recommend |
| 13:04:29 | djk | I like socket I have their 10mb ethernet thanks |
| 13:04:46 | djk | morning prpplague |
| 13:05:27 | mickeyl | KGBudz: symbol/socket is IMHO the best on the market. small size, minimum power drain and good range. |
| 13:05:36 | djk | mickeyl: I have not done the wifi yet since work bans it and don't have it at home yet |
| 13:06:09 | djk | what is the price on the socket? |
| 13:06:14 | mickeyl | djk: we have a multicell 802.11b network in our institute and at home I have a wireless dsl router. in both scenarios it works fine. |
| 13:06:20 | mickeyl | djk: I bought it for 166 EUR. |
| 13:07:03 | KGBudz | whats the entire product name |
| 13:07:52 | mickeyl | KGBudz: they're two hardware identical cards by two different vendors... one is called socket low power cf card and the other one is called symbol spectrum 24 |
| 13:08:49 | numatrix | The spectrum24 is here: http://www.symbol.com/products/wireless/flash_card.html |
| 13:08:58 | | OK, numatrix. |
| 13:08:58 | numatrix | ibot, spectrum24 is http://www.symbol.com/products/wireless/flash_card.html |
| 13:09:13 | KGBudz | cool |
| 13:09:24 | KGBudz | the drivers are available too? |
| 13:09:46 | mickeyl | KGBudz: OZ has it by default, downloadable for sharp rom. |
| 13:09:52 | djk | now what is that ibot to do exchange rates? |
| 13:10:27 | KGBudz | whats oz |
| 13:10:44 | numatrix | Anybody here know how to suggest changes to the wiki? |
| 13:10:58 | | hmmm... oz is see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ |
| 13:10:58 | mickeyl | ibot oz |
| 13:10:59 | numatrix | Nevermind, I can't read. |
| 13:12:18 | George- | is CF only 16-bit? |
| 13:13:15 | cranch | to format George? |
| 13:13:15 | benmeyer | http://www.trolltech.com/company/announce.html?Action=Show&AID=102 |
| 13:13:38 | George- | cranch: no |
| 13:13:46 | George- | cranch: the bus |
| 13:13:58 | benmeyer | photos are being uploaded... |
| 13:14:16 | benmeyer | hehe only 38mb |
| 13:15:04 | Cloudchaser | hey benmeyer: are you working on nice backup app for oz? |
| 13:15:13 | benmeyer | one day |
| 13:15:25 | benmeyer | after several others are finished |
| 13:15:32 | Cloudchaser | oh |
| 13:15:34 | Cloudchaser | ok thank you |
| 13:16:20 | Speedy2 | re |
| 13:16:28 | Cloudchaser | i may have to go back to sharp rom then.. |
| 13:16:31 | Cloudchaser | hiya speedy |
| 13:16:36 | Speedy2 | Hi Cloudchaser |
| 13:17:00 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: use tar |
| 13:17:02 | Harlekin | -) |
| 13:17:35 | Cloudchaser | ? |
| 13:18:20 | chouimat|coffee | is listening to Explorers Club's Gigantipithicus |
| 13:19:08 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: tar settings-backup.tar.gz $HOMEDIR/Setttings |
| 13:19:12 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: tar cvzf settings-backup.tar.gz $HOMEDIR/Setttings |
| 13:19:26 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: tar cvzf data-backup.tar.gz $HOMEDIR/Applications |
| 13:19:35 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: tar cvzf doc-backup.tar.gz $HOMEDIR/Documents |
| 13:19:57 | KGBudz | is the new oz software that much better than the default zaurus software |
| 13:21:44 | Cloudchaser | ok thanks harlekin, i'll give that a try |
| 13:22:47 | Cloudchaser | gotta run. cya all later |
| 13:23:01 | chouimat|coffee | yay! the new Explorers club hit the store tomorrow |
| 13:24:13 | ciaolinux | does anyone know if contest@zaurus.com finally works? |
| 13:24:27 | kergoth | greetings |
| 13:24:40 | mickeyl | hi KallDrexx |
| 13:24:48 | mickeyl | er... hi kergoth |
| 13:24:51 | mickeyl | :) |
| 13:24:53 | warmi | hi |
| 13:25:01 | Speedy2 | Hello kergoth, warmi |
| 13:25:02 | Gimli-Gg | ciaolinux: It works. But they don't reply very fast |
| 13:25:15 | ciaolinux | Gimli-Gg: when did you try to send them something? |
| 13:25:21 | kergoth | yawns |
| 13:25:28 | scanline | hiya kergoth |
| 13:25:39 | Gimli-Gg | I first sent them somethin on Aug 2nd |
| 13:25:44 | scanline | kergoth: OZ needs .cvspass files :) |
| 13:26:00 | kergoth | scanline: yeah yeah I know :-) |
| 13:26:07 | scanline | kergoth: it compiled fine on my Debian box though |
| 13:26:10 | ciaolinux | Gimli-Gg: that was much before they got their mailbox full |
| 13:26:16 | George- | how the hell do I use gdb? |
| 13:26:20 | scanline | kergoth: but I was surprised how big the base openzaurus initrd is |
| 13:26:26 | kergoth | scanline: where does cvs look for them? I mean i know it checks ~/, but does it check anywhere else? i couldnt find a command line option to specify the cvspass.. |
| 13:26:27 | Gimli-Gg | then I didn't get a reply within a week. Then I send a mail again. Then I got a reply from benmeyer to whom my mail has been forwarded... |
| 13:26:29 | scanline | kergoth: lots of ncurses terminal definitions and stuff |
| 13:26:33 | numatrix | what's the recommended -O option for gcc again? -O3? |
| 13:26:45 | kergoth | scanline: yes exactly. there are a number of things that can be shrunk down a bit |
| 13:26:49 | scanline | kergoth: I dunno... I was hoping you'd know :) |
| 13:26:53 | Speedy2 | numatrix: What are you trying to compile for? Speed or size? |
| 13:27:03 | kergoth | numatrix: -O2 generally. or -Os if you want it small |
| 13:27:04 | ciaolinux | Gimli-Gg: did you try to email them in the last 5 days? |
| 13:27:04 | numatrix | Speedy2: Probably speed (emulator) |
| 13:27:04 | kergoth | heh |
| 13:27:04 | Gimli-Gg | ciaolinux: that was the time when their mailbox was full of registration mails, I guess |
| 13:27:10 | scanline | kergoth: but geez... it was like 17MB IIRC |
| 13:27:14 | Speedy2 | numatrix: -O3 |
| 13:27:14 | kergoth | scanline: hehe. alright i'll dig |
| 13:27:16 | Gimli-Gg | ciaolinux: no |
| 13:27:18 | numatrix | Speedy2: Ok, thanks. |
| 13:27:26 | ciaolinux | Gimli-Gg: the emails were bouncing back |
| 13:27:42 | imm | numatrix: -O2 |
| 13:27:44 | kergoth | scanline: yeah I know. do remember its being compressed in either cramfs or jffs2, so its not as bad as it sounds.. ;-) |
| 13:27:53 | scanline | micah@yoshi:~/sf/buildroot-oz$ du -sh root/ |
| 13:27:53 | scanline | du: cannot change to directory `root/var/run/usb': Permission denied |
| 13:27:53 | scanline | 17M root |
| 13:27:57 | imm | numatrix: -O3 bloats the code too much |
| 13:28:01 | kergoth | numatrix: -O3 will try to be far too intelligent with regard to inlining. you're better of specifying that yourself. |
| 13:28:03 | scanline | kergoth: still... I'd like to help make it smaller :) |
| 13:28:04 | kergoth | heh |
| 13:28:06 | Gimli-Gg | ciaolinux: It's probably a temporarily problem |
| 13:28:09 | KGBudz | yo, whats the buzzer on a zaurus |
| 13:28:13 | kergoth | scanline: thatd be greatly appreciated. |
| 13:28:20 | kergoth | scanline: I'd like to make the packaging more granular |
| 13:28:21 | warmi | numatrix: how about try 03 and see what you get :-) |
| 13:28:21 | KGBudz | i dont have one yet, so i dont know |
| 13:28:24 | Speedy2 | GCC has no function by function optimization capabilities (SUX) |
| 13:28:34 | ciaolinux | Gimli-Gg: well it was almost 1 week... not really temporary! :-) |
| 13:28:41 | Speedy2 | warmi: Ever try that inline code test? |
| 13:28:45 | scanline | kergoth: yeah.. there's a lot of fat that can be cut out, like the terminfo database for example |
| 13:28:47 | kergoth | scanline: i.e. libncurses5, libncurses5-dev, ncurses-terminfo .. along those lines |
| 13:29:12 | Gimli-Gg | ciaolinux: You can send me the mail and I'll forward it, if you like. Perhaps that works better... |
| 13:29:13 | prpplague | kergoth: i figured out why i thought there were more warnings than before, you took the stdout for the compile out of the make output |
| 13:29:15 | kergoth | scanline: yeah. some of the terminfo entries are good.. like linux, ansi, vt100, but we dont need hundreds of them out of hte box.. |
| 13:29:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 13:29:22 | scanline | yea |
| 13:29:25 | warmi | no, not yet .... I am about to reinstall my Linux/Windows box etc ... it has gotten old and slow |
| 13:29:28 | warmi | hehe |
| 13:29:33 | ciaolinux | Gimli-Gg: do you have a private access? :- |
| 13:29:43 | Gimli-Gg | ciaolinux: to what? |
| 13:29:45 | warmi | both Windows and Linux suffer from that "old windows" disease |
| 13:29:46 | ciaolinux | Gimli-Gg: anyway i will try again later... thanks... |
| 13:29:59 | ciaolinux | imm: did you try to write to contest@ ? |
| 13:30:30 | scanline | kergoth: so ah.. got that CVS write access for me yet? :) |
| 13:30:31 | kergoth | scanline: locales too.. we may want to make more granular packing for that, or have a postinst that prompts the user for which locales to include .. hmm |
| 13:30:44 | imm | ciaolinux: benmeyer is here and said they are looking at the entries right now |
| 13:31:02 | kergoth | prpplague: yeah, i added -s to the makeflags .. makes it cleaner :-) feel free to edit include.mk and remove it if you like |
| 13:31:04 | warmi | anyone here participating in the Java contest ? |
| 13:31:05 | ciaolinux | imm: is here, means what? |
| 13:31:13 | kergoth | scanline: whats your SF acct? |
| 13:31:14 | ciaolinux | imm: so whould i send it to him again? |
| 13:31:17 | scanline | kergoth: micahjd |
| 13:31:22 | warmi | I don't hear much about that contest and the prizes are right :-) |
| 13:31:27 | imm | ciaolinux: ask benmeyer |
| 13:31:36 | imm | ciaolinux: or Sniper |
| 13:31:48 | imm | ciaolinux: they are both from sharp |
| 13:31:57 | ciaolinux | imm: you work in sharp/ |
| 13:32:00 | ciaolinux | ? |
| 13:32:13 | imm | ciaolinux: not me, but benmeyer and Sniper |
| 13:32:33 | ciaolinux | imm: :-) ok... when you said he was "here" |
| 13:32:53 | imm | ciaolinux: in this chanel i meant |
| 13:32:58 | kergoth | scanline: alright. do note, if you make packaging more granular, try to hold to the familiar/debian package naming .. and if we replace a single package with a number of smaller packages, we should leave the main package around and add the subpackages to its Depends, so as not to break people ipkg upgrade'ing |
| 13:33:01 | Sniper | ask what? |
| 13:33:21 | scanline | kergoth: I'll ask you before doing anything questionable |
| 13:33:28 | kergoth | scanline: okay, thanks |
| 13:33:52 | George- | ARGH |
| 13:33:57 | DigitalChris | Sup, #Zaurus |
| 13:34:01 | George- | hi DigitalChris |
| 13:34:01 | scanline | kergoth: for the most part I'll just be poking around with the picogui-related .mk's, but I'd like to help with OZ in general too |
| 13:34:13 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/photos/dcim/100_0813/preview/08130009.jpg |
| 13:34:29 | Gimli-Gg | Bye, all. |
| 13:34:37 | cranch | what the hell is that |
| 13:34:52 | imm | benmeyer: is that the new Zaurus ? |
| 13:34:55 | benmeyer | vercel's pda |
| 13:35:00 | scanline | http://www.zauruszone.com/photos/dcim/100_0813/08130009.jpg <--- I like this one better |
| 13:35:09 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/photos/dcim/100_0813/preview/08130010.jpg |
| 13:35:12 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/photos/dcim/100_0813/preview/08130011.jpg |
| 13:35:14 | kergoth | scanline: alright you're added |
| 13:35:19 | scanline | kergoth: thanks! |
| 13:35:27 | imm | benmeyer: linux based ? |
| 13:35:27 | scanline | will commit that libpng .mk now |
| 13:35:28 | kergoth | np |
| 13:35:30 | benmeyer | yup |
| 13:35:32 | benmeyer | qt based |
| 13:35:44 | benmeyer | remove the privew for a very high res copy |
| 13:35:44 | scanline | benmeyer: is that a grayscale LCD? |
| 13:35:51 | benmeyer | no, just bad photo |
| 13:35:55 | scanline | k |
| 13:35:56 | George- | benmeyer: that's just a ipaq with a keyboard... |
| 13:36:01 | George- | I think |
| 13:36:12 | scanline | keyboard looks kinda chicletish |
| 13:36:21 | benmeyer | more like a zaurus with a big keyboard |
| 13:36:26 | George- | benmeyer: haha |
| 13:36:27 | prpplague | benmeyer: looking nice |
| 13:36:47 | imm | benmeyer: looks quite funny :) |
| 13:36:54 | BigBoss | so which Zaurus is this? |
| 13:36:59 | tux_mike | manually unrolled loops can be long. |
| 13:37:14 | ljp_ | that a vercel |
| 13:37:15 | imm | BigBoss: tkcZaurus :) |
| 13:37:18 | cranch | haha |
| 13:37:27 | Speedy2 | tux_mike: Tha's fine, if they fit in the cache the performance gain can be huge |
| 13:37:30 | scanline | iZaurus |
| 13:37:34 | ljp_ | not like a zaurus |
| 13:37:37 | chouimat|znessus | BigBoss: yesterday I heard a song from Snow |
| 13:37:42 | tux_mike | speedy: yah |
| 13:37:58 | tux_mike | prefers to manually unroll them if possible |
| 13:37:58 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/photos/dcim/101_0815/preview/08150020.jpg |
| 13:38:09 | tux_mike | i don't necisarilly trust the compiler :) |
| 13:38:14 | warmi | I have noticed that unrolling loops on ARM has almost no benefit at all |
| 13:38:22 | imm | dont like spaghetti code |
| 13:38:23 | Speedy2 | tux_mike: If it's GCC, I can understand that. |
| 13:38:27 | tux_mike | :) |
| 13:38:33 | warmi | the speed of instructions that do not touch memory is so great it doesn't really matter |
| 13:38:35 | Speedy2 | warmi: Depends on which ARM...most don't have caches, SA1110 does |
| 13:39:02 | warmi | it pays off much better to pack as much as you can into regs and do multiregister writes |
| 13:39:09 | scanline | how big is the cache? |
| 13:39:13 | George- | benmeyer: holy shit, wtf *is* that PDA? :) |
| 13:39:20 | warmi | basically, it pays to touch memory as little as possible - it is slow :-) |
| 13:39:21 | George- | benmeyer: is it a modified zaurus? |
| 13:39:28 | benmeyer | vercel |
| 13:39:32 | George- | vercel? |
| 13:39:33 | ljp_ | is going to install opie on BZFlag's vercel |
| 13:39:47 | benmeyer | runs the same things as the z |
| 13:39:55 | tux_mike | warmi: what was that app for making a header file from images? |
| 13:39:55 | George- | does it have a CF slot? |
| 13:39:56 | George- | and SD? |
| 13:40:02 | | vercel is probably another linux pda not yet shipping. likely not shipping till Q1 next year. or located at http://www.vercel.com or at http://vercel.dsnart.com |
| 13:40:02 | George- | ibot vercel |
| 13:40:05 | warmi | Speedy2: that "decrement , jump if not zero" sequence is so fast that removing it doesn't seem to make any difference |
| 13:40:14 | prpplague | ljp_: so whats the story, someone said last night that the vercel is still looking for capital |
| 13:40:21 | warmi | tux_mike: qembed or something like that |
| 13:40:25 | TheMasterMind1 | the color is ugly |
| 13:40:30 | BigBoss | chouimat|znessus: how was it? |
| 13:40:43 | tux_mike | warmi: with that is it fairly easy to put the images into a namespace? |
| 13:40:45 | warmi | tux_mike: http://doc.trolltech.com/2.3/qembed.html |
| 13:40:46 | ljp_ | prp: ya probably |
| 13:40:54 | scanline | the vercel page, it's so ORANGE! it BURNS! |
| 13:41:09 | warmi | tux_mike: it basically encodes your images as C arrays |
| 13:41:17 | chouimat|znessus | BigBoss: very very good. brb must keep the cat away from my printer |
| 13:41:21 | prpplague | what the frill, the vercel page is flash only |
| 13:41:27 | warmi | sort of like a primitive version of Win32 resources |
| 13:41:28 | benmeyer | they had another unit there that was blue if I remember |
| 13:42:02 | imm | warmi: is that just a xpm or more compressed ? |
| 13:42:07 | BigBoss | benmeyer: so at least they made prototypes? |
| 13:42:08 | warmi | man .. that vercel.com page is so pathetic |
| 13:42:37 | warmi | imm: no , it is not xpm .. xpm is very inneficient .. it is compressed image in whatever format you had it on the file |
| 13:42:45 | ciaolinux | benmeyer: when will it be released? |
| 13:42:49 | warmi | basically huge binary array |
| 13:43:08 | imm | warmi: sounds nice ! |
| 13:43:09 | tux_mike | warmi: what i'm doing is i'm gonna make a class that will have either a default set of graphics built in, or can load graphics from files (a bit wastful, but with the relativily small sized graphics involved, i should be good :) |
| 13:43:17 | BigBoss | ciaolinux: Vercel is trying to secure their next round of funding so that they can go into production with it |
| 13:43:28 | warmi | in fact qembed doesn't care what it is .. it just creates binary array and it is up to you to feed it to QImage or whatever is that you are using it for |
| 13:43:30 | chouimat|znessus | listens to Explorer Club |
| 13:43:31 | benmeyer | yup there are prototypes, no clue on the release time |
| 13:44:00 | warmi | tux_mike: that's what I did with puzz-le |
| 13:44:10 | warmi | makes sense |
| 13:44:16 | warmi | if you want to support themes |
| 13:44:23 | imm | is there a working nasm port for arm ? |
| 13:44:25 | tux_mike | warmi: what do you use the QPixmapCache for? |
| 13:44:33 | ljp_ | http://vercel.dnsart.com/ |
| 13:44:36 | warmi | imm: uh .. I would love to have nams for ARM :-) |
| 13:44:38 | tux_mike | warmi: my biggest thing is i want a single file executable |
| 13:44:42 | warmi | tux_mike: I never used that before |
| 13:44:50 | scanline | It'd make more sense for Qtopia to support application-defined themes |
| 13:44:57 | imm | warmi: i found a stopped project :( |
| 13:45:00 | tux_mike | i thought i saw it in your sources |
| 13:45:00 | warmi | tux_mike: I know .. it is much more convinient that way |
| 13:45:03 | TheMasterMind1 | what does it run? |
| 13:45:04 | tux_mike | i could be wrong |
| 13:45:06 | warmi | imm: where ? any URL ? |
| 13:45:11 | George- | stupid vercel.com wants us to all have macromedia flash |
| 13:45:15 | George- | blah |
| 13:45:21 | kergoth | fuck, i cant get into my box at home. |
| 13:45:22 | warmi | George-: yeah .. it is annoying as hell |
| 13:45:23 | kergoth | grr |
| 13:45:24 | ljp_ | sp install flash |
| 13:45:37 | ljp_ | or go here-> http://vercel.dnsart.com/ |
| 13:45:42 | imm | warmi: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Hub/6461/arm/ |
| 13:45:45 | George- | That vercel PDA looks sweet though |
| 13:46:09 | warmi | vercel has nothing on that site .. can't even find spec file .. just bunch of stupid flash |
| 13:46:13 | George- | benmeyer: does that vercel PDA run on Xscale? CF? SD? |
| 13:46:32 | tux_mike | warmi: you get hit hard last night's storm? |
| 13:46:48 | Harlekin | the vercel webdesigners must be color blind |
| 13:46:52 | ljp_ | vercel is arm and has cf |
| 13:47:27 | tux_mike | can't tell what vercel is trying to sell.... o_O |
| 13:47:29 | George- | ljp_: nice |
| 13:47:43 | warmi | tux_mike: not at all .. but I saw this morning the long grass field next to my house .. it was all basically flattened .. must have been bad during the night |
| 13:47:43 | George- | ljp_: btw - harlekin told me to tell you I got opieplayer2 working on 5000D :) |
| 13:48:03 | ljp_ | ya cool |
| 13:48:14 | ljp_ | vercel also has a modem |
| 13:48:30 | warmi | Harlekin: they must indeed |
| 13:48:35 | Harlekin | George-: btw, new version out |
| 13:48:40 | Harlekin | George-: now with shoutcast |
| 13:48:41 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 13:49:01 | warmi | frankly, seems to me like vercel is the case of all "flash", no substance |
| 13:49:06 | George- | Harlekin: shoutcast? |
| 13:49:14 | kergoth | I still think that Kaii pda looks nifty |
| 13:49:18 | George- | ljp_: it does? |
| 13:49:18 | George- | omfg |
| 13:49:28 | warmi | kergoth: sort of like a Zaurus lite |
| 13:49:30 | kergoth | Harlekin: what ver of xine should i build if im gonna build op2 from cvs? |
| 13:49:33 | George- | kergoth: url? |
| 13:49:35 | chouimat|znessus | waits to have is Daptech Straongarm based indusrtial thing |
| 13:49:36 | warmi | or perhaps even Palm style Zaurus |
| 13:49:38 | kergoth | warmi: yeah |
| 13:49:38 | warmi | hehe |
| 13:49:38 | | kaii is http://kaii.org/ or a Linux based PDA based on the Hitachi sh7727 (sh3) by Infomart in India. Ask BZFlag for more info. |
| 13:49:38 | George- | ibot kaii |
| 13:49:50 | kergoth | heheh |
| 13:49:55 | Speedy2 | sigh...Linux based. |
| 13:50:00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 13:50:06 | Harlekin | kergoth: get the bins from me |
| 13:50:10 | BigBoss | still waiting for Kaii to get developer units - they are months behind |
| 13:50:14 | Harlekin | George-: shoutcast == internetradio |
| 13:50:15 | warmi | Speedy2: hehehe .. still dreaming about qnx based pda ? |
| 13:50:19 | scanline | Speedy2: darn that evil Linux OS, trying to become a monopoly |
| 13:50:22 | kergoth | Harlekin: i take it building it is a pain? |
| 13:50:29 | George- | Harlekin: oh |
| 13:50:31 | prpplague | chouimat|znessus: whats that? |
| 13:50:37 | kergoth | hey JasonNJ |
| 13:50:37 | ciaolinux | is there a kaii challange? |
| 13:50:39 | George- | wtf is qnx? |
| 13:50:41 | Harlekin | kergoth: yeah, esspecially since there are many many many patches in from me |
| 13:50:51 | Harlekin | kergoth: that still need to be excepted |
| 13:50:52 | George- | hey JasonNJ |
| 13:51:01 | Speedy2 | George-: WWW.QNX.COM |
| 13:51:03 | Harlekin | hi JasonNJ |
| 13:51:05 | kergoth | Harlekin: I'm not surprised, I remember us trying to beat it into submission on the ipaq cluster |
| 13:51:10 | prpplague | George-: an older *nix style os |
| 13:51:13 | Speedy2 | "Older" |
| 13:51:13 | kergoth | Harlekin: whats the url to your current ipk? |
| 13:51:19 | kergoth | older? |
| 13:51:19 | JasonNJ | I wsnt aware cdm released his QNX port yet |
| 13:51:20 | Speedy2 | It's a Real-Time OS with a LOT of awesome features |
| 13:51:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 13:51:21 | prpplague | George-: alot of thinclients used to use them |
| 13:51:22 | kergoth | qnx is sweet |
| 13:51:25 | warmi | George-: it is another RT OS |
| 13:51:25 | Speedy2 | QNX++ |
| 13:51:29 | Speedy2 | "Another" ? |
| 13:51:31 | Speedy2 | Compared to? |
| 13:51:32 | George- | RT? |
| 13:51:33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 13:51:44 | kergoth | I dont know of another rt os.. |
| 13:51:49 | warmi | Speedy2: yeah .. there are many RT OS implementations |
| 13:51:49 | chouimat|znessus | prpplague: kind of industrial PDA. 3 serial ports 1 ethernet port etc .. now wince based. but I got the contract to port linux on it. and btw the price tag is 5000 US$ |
| 13:52:03 | prpplague | Speedy2: does this mean you work for the qnx group? |
| 13:52:12 | prpplague | chouimat|znessus: ohh |
| 13:52:19 | prpplague | chouimat|znessus: way tooo expensive |
| 13:52:37 | chouimat|znessus | prpplague: military |
| 13:52:51 | warmi | well, let just say it is the best "publicly" available RT OS |
| 13:53:00 | warmi | cause I am sure military has its own stuff |
| 13:53:09 | tux_mike | gah |
| 13:53:13 | JasonNJ | kergoth: so what did I miss last week? |
| 13:53:16 | tux_mike | stupid internet keeps going down |
| 13:53:25 | kolla | I thought military all run windows :) |
| 13:53:29 | ljp_ | the whole thing? |
| 13:53:31 | prpplague | chouimat|znessus: in other words it costs about $250 and some gov contractor is stuffing their pockets |
| 13:53:38 | warmi | tux_mike: no .. that's not the internet that speakeasy :-) |
| 13:54:01 | tux_mike | no, actually it's my work' |
| 13:54:03 | tux_mike | s isp |
| 13:54:08 | Speedy2 | prpplague: I work for myself but I'm a big fan of QNX. |
| 13:54:17 | prpplague | kolla: is spent 4 years in the army and they love windows, :( |
| 13:54:17 | kergoth | JasonNJ: surprisingly little.. heheh |
| 13:54:21 | George- | Sniper: is it true that some people who entered the challenge might get 5500s? |
| 13:54:23 | tux_mike | because i lose connection to my server from here at work |
| 13:54:26 | chouimat|znessus | prpplague: it also huge more like a laptop |
| 13:54:48 | George- | chouimat|znessus: what's this? |
| 13:54:49 | warmi | Speedy2: qt runs on qnx :-) |
| 13:54:52 | Speedy2 | warmi: Military likes VxWorks |
| 13:55:10 | Speedy2 | warmi: No shit? Awesome :) (Well, Photon's native GUI be better, but for porting apps) |
| 13:55:12 | prpplague | Speedy2: i've i had time i'd play with qnx, but there is a never ending list of things to learn |
| 13:55:12 | DigitalChris | military like $8000 toilet seats |
| 13:55:16 | Speedy2 | err Photon be better....but |
| 13:55:24 | chouimat|znessus | Speedy2: qnx62docs.iso is out |
| 13:55:34 | George- | is it possible to say, run EPOC on a Zaurus? :) |
| 13:55:53 | George- | It'd be nifty to run EPOC on it, it would require no CPU emulation (it runs on a 18MHz ARM) |
| 13:55:56 | chouimat|znessus | George-: just port QNX on it :) |
| 13:55:59 | warmi | Speedy2: I looked at Photon docs ... and it dosn't seem to be any better |
| 13:56:00 | tux_mike | EPOC? |
| 13:56:08 | ciaolinux | George-: where did you hear about the 5500 thing? |
| 13:56:09 | George- | tux_mike: yeh, the OS that Psion PDAs use |
| 13:56:11 | Speedy2 | warmi: I meant that it will be orders of magnitude faster. |
| 13:56:12 | warmi | perhaps I would have to try to know for sure |
| 13:56:14 | tux_mike | ah |
| 13:56:15 | George- | ciaolinux: can't remember |
| 13:56:18 | tux_mike | thought it sounded familiar |
| 13:56:22 | Speedy2 | Since Qt uses a bunch of crazy C++ |
| 13:56:29 | warmi | Speedy2: well .... qt is fast on fast platform .. like Windows :-) |
| 13:56:31 | George- | ciaolinux: I heard that Sniper had signed up too many people for the challenge than they had Zauruses :) |
| 13:56:32 | ciaolinux | George-: did you send them the beta? |
| 13:56:36 | George- | ciaolinux: not yet... |
| 13:56:37 | scanline | kergoth: ah.. using the power of the source, I find that CVS has a CVS_PASSFILE environment var |
| 13:56:43 | Speedy2 | warmi: Qt is fast on a non-resource constrained platform MAYBE |
| 13:56:46 | kergoth | scanline: ahh |
| 13:57:10 | JasonNJ | is there something going on with QNX on teh Zaurus? |
| 13:57:11 | warmi | Speedy2: well, still .. I would not consider 64 MB PDA a resource constrained platform .. |
| 13:57:19 | ciaolinux | George-: it would be hard for them to decide who to give them |
| 13:57:22 | warmi | just couple of years ago that used to be our desktop :-) |
| 13:57:27 | George- | ciaolinux: I know |
| 13:57:41 | George- | ciaolinux: there's also random numbers :) |
| 13:57:51 | Speedy2 | warmi: You're looking at just RAM and not considering all the other things like busses, caches, co-processors, HDD(mass storage |
| 13:57:52 | Speedy2 | _ |
| 13:57:57 | George- | Harlekin: opieplayer is a bit unstable with MP3s |
| 13:58:00 | ciaolinux | George-: that is right... let me go and buy a lottery ticket then! :-) |
| 13:58:11 | Harlekin | George-: ? |
| 13:58:18 | Harlekin | George-: when, when starting to play? |
| 13:58:21 | George- | Harlekin: well, I have 5 MP3s on it |
| 13:58:30 | Speedy2 | A 64MB 200MHz K6-2 had 33MHz PCI...you have??? |
| 13:58:31 | George- | Harlekin: if I choose any MP3 other than the one listed at the bottom |
| 13:58:34 | George- | Harlekin: it segfaults |
| 13:58:36 | warmi | Speedy2: it is always a tradeoff .. if you have a "fast" toolkit .. it meants it is relatively bare which in turn means your apps will come bloated because they will need incorporate all the functionality that is missing the core libs |
| 13:58:42 | Harlekin | George-: try the new ipks |
| 13:58:48 | George- | Harlekin: but if i choose the one at the bottom, *then* choose one above, it'll work... |
| 13:58:51 | warmi | qt has tons of usefull functionality beyond simple GUI |
| 13:58:54 | Speedy2 | warmi: Well I'm not talking about feature set, I'm talking about implementation. |
| 13:59:30 | kolla | warmi: too bad noone are capable of using them then, huh? :) |
| 13:59:38 | warmi | Speedy2: qt is well implemented .. have you looked at the source code ? as far as C++ goes qt is quite advanced |
| 13:59:39 | George- | warmi: yeh, it implements a lot of backend stuff as well |
| 13:59:49 | George- | warmi: It's almost a complete language in itself :) |
| 13:59:52 | warmi | especially compared to STL ( resource wise) |
| 14:00:01 | Speedy2 | warmi: Use of C++ incurrs a lot of overhead |
| 14:00:06 | Harlekin | it aims more for something like java |
| 14:00:06 | warmi | kolla: well ... people are catching up |
| 14:00:08 | Harlekin | ,) |
| 14:00:15 | warmi | Speedy2: not much more than using C in OO mode |
| 14:00:17 | kolla | warmi: :) |
| 14:00:40 | warmi | people just have to know what happens when you create virtual function etc .. if they don't, then obviously you will end up with bloated code |
| 14:00:45 | scanline | warmi: It's nice to have language independence... I suppose you could stick a CORBA layer onto Qt :) |
| 14:00:52 | ljp_ | I have yet to see real proof that C++ is very much slower than C.. |
| 14:00:53 | Speedy2 | warmi: Well you don't have a "mode" of C where it's used for OO . |
| 14:01:09 | Wintre | ljp: These days I can't imagine that it really is |
| 14:01:15 | warmi | C++ is just structs + fuunctions |
| 14:01:18 | Speedy2 | warmi: The situation is not helped by the fact that GCC for x86 is highly optimized and quite poorly optimized for ARM |
| 14:01:19 | Harlekin | ljp_: but only because we use not very good compilers |
| 14:01:33 | Wintre | At least not in any situation that 99.95% of programmers will notice |
| 14:01:34 | warmi | Speedy2: sure, .. look at GTK , it does C++ "the hard way" |
| 14:01:37 | Harlekin | Speedy2: changes with gcc3.2 |
| 14:02:08 | Speedy2 | Harlekin: I'm not holding my breath. |
| 14:02:17 | Wintre | Heh, using g++ I can imagine isn't the best :) |
| 14:02:22 | warmi | scanline: it is nice to have but any sort of "independence" usually translates into overhead |
| 14:02:36 | Harlekin | Speedy2: gcc is just a pretty bad compiler |
| 14:02:39 | Harlekin | but |
| 14:02:41 | Harlekin | its free |
| 14:02:50 | Wintre | Nah, it's GPL |
| 14:02:52 | Speedy2 | warmi: While conceptually C++ is just "OOed" C, compiled C++ code has a LOT of nasty stuff |
| 14:02:53 | warmi | scanline: it is, again, a typical tradeof .. more specialized code is usually more efficient |
| 14:03:24 | scanline | warmi: when done right, lanugage independence isn't a big overhead in speed or size |
| 14:03:37 | warmi | Speedy2: that's is a matter of implementation .... theoretically, without supporting exceptions, C++ is just structs + function + vtable |
| 14:03:54 | warmi | . |
| 14:03:55 | Speedy2 | Harlekin: You're correct, it's "free". Personally I think commercial compiler vendors should do a free for non-commercial use. That would be great. |
| 14:04:04 | Speedy2 | warmi: Yeah, but all the implementations are pretty terrible |
| 14:04:09 | Speedy2 | Cheap bastard! :) |
| 14:04:36 | Speedy2 | warmi: Yeah, but all the implementations are pretty terrible |
| 14:04:45 | Harlekin | Speedy2: they could just support gcc |
| 14:04:46 | Harlekin | ) |
| 14:04:50 | ciaolinux | what is a good C++ compiler then? |
| 14:05:19 | TheMasterMind1 | gcc |
| 14:05:19 | Speedy2 | Harlekin: Commercial compiler vendors supporting GCC? huh? |
| 14:05:23 | TheMasterMind1 | g++ |
| 14:05:25 | Speedy2 | ciaolinux: I dunno, I avoid C++ :) |
| 14:05:46 | warmi | ciaolinux: he avoids it cause he is an embedde developer .. no shit then :-) |
| 14:05:54 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 14:06:00 | Harlekin | living in the past |
| 14:06:01 | Harlekin | C |
| 14:06:05 | ciaolinux | Speedy2: so how do you use QT? with C? |
| 14:06:07 | warmi | and by embedded I mean truly small devices .. not 64 MB PDAs |
| 14:06:13 | Speedy2 | ciaolinux: I don't use Qt. |
| 14:06:17 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 14:06:24 | ciaolinux | Speedy2: ok |
| 14:06:32 | Speedy2 | PDAs ARE embedded devices...but bloat is pervasive. |
| 14:06:40 | scanline | cheers... now he's not the only anti-C++ person hanging out in #zaurus ;) |
| 14:06:43 | ciaolinux | Speedy2: what is so good about C? |
| 14:06:47 | Speedy2 | Just because you have space to waste doesn't mean you should. |
| 14:06:51 | scanline | Speedy2: exactly! |
| 14:06:51 | warmi | ciaolinux: he just comes here to create trouble .. he doesn't like Linux .. doesn't like C++, doesn't like qt :-) |
| 14:06:53 | warmi | heeh |
| 14:07:04 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 14:07:04 | kergoth | wonders how many times we've had this conversation now |
| 14:07:07 | scanline | Instead of using all of your 64MB to run Qt libs, give the user more flexibility! |
| 14:07:13 | ciaolinux | warmi: does he like Z? ;-) |
| 14:07:27 | Speedy2 | I would like it better if Sharp would just give us all the hardware specs. |
| 14:07:44 | kergoth | Speedy2: no kidding |
| 14:07:48 | JasonNJ | speedy2: how goes the eCos port? |
| 14:07:52 | JasonNJ | Speedy: its coming. |
| 14:08:09 | ljp_ | nice to see vercel getting some exposure |
| 14:08:12 | Speedy2 | JasonNJ: It goes no where because I have not started working on it because I have other crazy stuff to finish up. |
| 14:08:21 | JasonNJ | ljp: Vercel in in a bit of a bind. |
| 14:08:27 | JasonNJ | They need 2 million bucks. |
| 14:08:33 | kergoth | ouch |
| 14:08:48 | ljp_ | ya I knwo |
| 14:08:50 | JasonNJ | if they dont get it, they are done |
| 14:08:58 | ljp_ | sell more Furby's |
| 14:09:09 | JasonNJ | In the old economy, 2 million bucks in venture capital was nothing |
| 14:09:24 | JasonNJ | in the current envionment, it might as well be a billion |
| 14:09:40 | JasonNJ | someone needs to buy them |
| 14:09:56 | BigBoss | yea, you can't raise money to save your life now |
| 14:09:59 | warmi | scanline: I know you like C but .. well, you have been already left behind :-) ... I read somewhere that 97% of all commercial GUI apps are written these days in C++ |
| 14:10:12 | Speedy2 | scanline: You have never been the only anti-C++ person here. |
| 14:10:43 | Harlekin | anti C++ is as stupid as any anti and just a wrong attitude in life |
| 14:10:58 | Speedy2 | Harlekin: Anti-C++ for environments that don't need it. |
| 14:11:04 | warmi | BigBoss: no shit .. hehe .. after all these billions lost on companies like women.com and all others listed on fuckedcompany.com |
| 14:11:04 | Speedy2 | (not a global attitude mind you) |
| 14:11:05 | kergoth | Harlekin: agreed. I feel people should use the right tool for the job. I use c++ for some things, c for others. |
| 14:11:06 | warmi | hehe |
| 14:11:20 | scanline | warmi: that's kind of like saying that just because so many people use windows it's right... |
| 14:11:34 | scanline | warmi: I'm not saying everyone should use C, just that people should be given the choice of what language to use |
| 14:11:34 | BigBoss | it drove me nuts, we had product and couldn't get money and I'd see people getting millions hand over fist for nothing other than ideas that never came together |
| 14:11:35 | JasonNJ | dude, we need Visual Cobol and Fortran for the Zaurus |
| 14:11:54 | BigBoss | JasonNJ: Kobol will generate cross-compiled code that will run on the Zaurus |
| 14:11:55 | Speedy2 | C++ is not wrong, it's just not well suited for certain environments. |
| 14:12:00 | BigBoss | you just can't do Qt with it yet |
| 14:12:03 | warmi | scanline: nah .. most of these companies need to be competetive and obviously they feel that using C++ they have better chance |
| 14:12:08 | George- | BigBoss: hahaha |
| 14:12:22 | scanline | warmi: I just think C |
| 14:12:24 | scanline | err... |
| 14:12:25 | Harlekin | Speedy2: in envorimnets where C is suitable, better use assembler |
| 14:12:25 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 14:12:40 | Speedy2 | warmi: No, most companies have silly managers who can't write a line of code to save their life and then decide that buzzwords like "C++" get more attentino |
| 14:12:47 | scanline | warmi: I think C++ is an unnecessary middle ground. Use C for kernels and GUIs and drivers and such, use a higher level language like Objective C or Python for apps |
| 14:12:49 | Speedy2 | Harlekin: I'm promoting C-- acutaully... |
| 14:12:51 | Speedy2 | actually |
| 14:12:52 | chouimat|znessus | wants Objective-C++ on the Zaurus |
| 14:13:07 | warmi | scanline: you have the luxury of being able to work on your stuff with no external pressure .. so you are free to take as much time as you need to do stuf in C++ |
| 14:13:21 | warmi | this kind of stuff just won't work in the real , commercial world |
| 14:13:31 | warmi | to do stuff in C , I meant |
| 14:13:32 | scanline | warmi: that gives me the advantage then :) |
| 14:14:02 | warmi | scanline: yeah |
| 14:14:08 | chouimat|znessus | wonders if he can use python for the challenge |
| 14:14:08 | JasonNJ | the lost tribes of Kobol! |
| 14:14:22 | JasonNJ | I think that was in an old BattleStar Galactica episode |
| 14:14:37 | JasonNJ | that show rocked |
| 14:15:07 | scanline | warmi: actually, there are a few companies that have hired me to do picogui work.. so I have had external pressure to write picogui code in the past |
| 14:15:30 | scanline | warmi: but it's a lot different working on a project where you are the one steering everything |
| 14:15:32 | warmi | scanline: well , I am not saying that you are doing it completely on your own with no attachment to the real world |
| 14:15:41 | scanline | warmi: maybe I am :) |
| 14:15:53 | chouimat|znessus | anyone work for sharp here? |
| 14:16:08 | warmi | just saying that writing C++ for GUI code IS more effective the same way like using Python to do GUI work is more time-efficient than using C++ |
| 14:16:09 | scanline | warmi: as I see it, picogui's a research project for me that just happens to also be useful |
| 14:16:22 | JasonNJ | I love religious wars |
| 14:16:25 | George- | JasonNJ: hehe |
| 14:16:26 | scanline | warmi: so why don't more companies use python? |
| 14:16:45 | scanline | oops |
| 14:16:45 | djk | who likes snakes ;-) |
| 14:16:52 | scanline | warmi: why don't more companies use python then? |
| 14:16:52 | ljp_ | cause the name sucks |
| 14:16:52 | darienm | ME ME ME |
| 14:17:00 | darienm | has a 6 1/2 foot red-tailed boa |
| 14:17:08 | warmi | man .. that cgi-irc sometimes just stops responding |
| 14:17:08 | scanline | haha |
| 14:17:17 | darienm | http://sleepytrees.com/forsale/snake1.jpg |
| 14:17:17 | warmi | . |
| 14:17:25 | scanline | notes that python has much more british humor than snake content |
| 14:17:28 | darienm | she is NOT forsale, that's just the name of a directory |
| 14:17:44 | warmi | man that cgi-irc sometimes will just stop responding and that 's it .. have to log on again |
| 14:17:54 | darienm | djk: why do you ask? |
| 14:17:54 | chouimat|znessus | benmeyer: ping |
| 14:18:23 | warmi | scanline: what you consider this unnecesary layer between C and high level stuff like Python .. lots of folk consider to be perfect middle ground |
| 14:18:51 | warmi | C like speed with Python like speed of develpment |
| 14:19:02 | djk | darienm: bad sarcism on the "why don't more companies use python then?" |
| 14:19:13 | darienm | djk: doh, I missed that part. |
| 14:19:20 | scanline | warmi: to me one of the great features of c (can be a benefit or drawback) is that you know where all your memory goes. Python throws that out the window and makes memory management easy, but C++ gives you the worst of both worlds IMHO |
| 14:19:24 | benmeyer | pong |
| 14:20:00 | warmi | with C++ I know very well where my memory goes .. it is almost the same as with C |
| 14:20:13 | scanline | warmi: well, it's things like the string class that bug me |
| 14:20:19 | chouimat|znessus | benmeyer: I'm doing a nessus client for the challenge and I have a prototype here in python do I need to translate in C++ or I can send it in python |
| 14:20:23 | BigBoss | python rocks |
| 14:20:39 | imm | python sucks |
| 14:20:40 | scanline | warmi: I know that well-written C++ code is as tight as C, but C++ makes it easy to be careless with memory |
| 14:20:48 | benmeyer | chouimat|znessus: whatever you need to have it run out of the box |
| 14:20:57 | imm | { } rocks |
| 14:21:10 | warmi | scanline: it is perfect thing ... why would you not like a class that shares the data when it is safe to do so and automatically creates copy-on-write style copy for you if you modify the original data ? |
| 14:21:26 | warmi | it only makes stuff more efficient |
| 14:21:30 | chouimat|znessus | benmeyer: ok if I understand it correctly if my app work you send me the zaurus. right? |
| 14:21:47 | tux_mike | everyone should program in VB :) *ducks* |
| 14:21:47 | warmi | are you going to track your C strings for any duplicates ? |
| 14:21:50 | benmeyer | once you install python I would presume |
| 14:22:13 | chouimat|znessus | benmeyer: I currently rewriting it in C++ |
| 14:22:21 | scanline | warmi: how often would you have duplicate strings? |
| 14:22:24 | warmi | most likely you won't even bother .. but QString will do that for you so if you app has 10 strings with "OK" , in reality there will be only one |
| 14:22:44 | tux_mike | warmi: it will? cool. |
| 14:22:46 | scanline | warmi: why make it the application's job at all to allocate the "Ok" string :) |
| 14:23:39 | warmi | scanline: well, that's a topic for another discussion |
| 14:23:41 | warmi | hehe |
| 14:23:44 | scanline | yep |
| 14:23:58 | scanline | the UI compiler in QT is kinda weird... |
| 14:24:09 | warmi | I never used it ... |
| 14:24:09 | imm | chouimat|znessus: did you realy wrote nessi in python ? |
| 14:24:30 | warmi | perhaps I should learn that QDesigner stuff |
| 14:24:56 | imm | warmi: QTDesigner is realy cool, and 3.1 will be even better |
| 14:25:08 | tux_mike | warmi: Designer is usefull for getting an idea on how you want to layout a project, but i find it lacking in many aspects |
| 14:25:16 | warmi | but I just prefer to struggle with code than to struggle with trying to drag widgets around etc .. |
| 14:25:30 | benmeyer | what is nessus? |
| 14:25:41 | warmi | I invested a lot of time into learning layouts and stuff so I am comfortable with it as it is |
| 14:26:05 | warmi | imm: I know .. I use QDesigner to quickly "prototype" dialogs etc .. |
| 14:26:08 | tux_mike | wonders what to do with the bottom 80x240 for this game |
| 14:26:20 | warmi | tux_mike: yeah .. that's precisely what I use QDesigner for |
| 14:26:22 | chouimat|znessus | imm: just to debug the protocol |
| 14:26:27 | chouimat|znessus | benmeyer: network scanner |
| 14:26:28 | ciaolinux | benmeyer: how many people are currently working for zaurus? |
| 14:26:31 | warmi | tux_mike: make your top part biggger :-) |
| 14:26:36 | scanline | If Qt is going to have a UI format separate from the code anyway, why not let the compiled version sit in a separate file so you can swap out the GUI without touching the code? |
| 14:26:50 | tux_mike | warmi: well, i can't, it's gotta be an 8x8 square |
| 14:26:50 | imm | tux_mike: put in a nude tux |
| 14:26:54 | tux_mike | ... |
| 14:26:56 | tux_mike | NO! |
| 14:26:59 | warmi | scanline: cause that woule mean reparsing it during run time |
| 14:27:19 | benmeyer | ciaolinux: refraze please, you mean working for sharp? |
| 14:27:28 | scanline | warmi: why? |
| 14:27:34 | imm | scanline: thats possible |
| 14:27:43 | tux_mike | warmi: i tried once to use the UI designer to make an app, i just got frustrated and took vim to some source code and made it myself :) |
| 14:27:47 | ciaolinux | benmeyer: i thought there were a team of people working only on zaurus |
| 14:27:56 | warmi | tux_mike: heheh .. yeah , that's what I am talking about |
| 14:27:56 | ciaolinux | benmeyer: in sharp of course |
| 14:28:01 | scanline | it seems like that would be a good way to adjust the layout of apps for different sized devices without touching the code |
| 14:28:34 | tux_mike | warmi: how do you make your app not have a titlebar in QPE? |
| 14:28:53 | warmi | scanline: yeah ... but again .. for example if you have 100 dialogs , you would have to have a smart mechanims build in for caching them etc .. cause reparsing that external xml file everytime you want to open of the dialogs would be slow |
| 14:29:04 | warmi | tux_mike: one sec |
| 14:29:18 | tux_mike | is it a QPEApplication flag? |
| 14:29:43 | scanline | warmi: just convert the XML descriptions to an efficient binary format |
| 14:29:51 | warmi | tux_mike: QWidget flag |
| 14:30:06 | tux_mike | k |
| 14:30:12 | scanline | warmi: then use the binary version as a template that can be used to instantiate groups of widgets |
| 14:30:26 | scanline | warmi: then the app can look up the widgets by name and attach event handlers |
| 14:30:35 | warmi | scanline: yeah .. .. see, you are thinking MS way |
| 14:30:49 | scanline | warmi: MS way? |
| 14:30:52 | warmi | MS always prefers efficiency over proper implementation |
| 14:31:00 | scanline | hahaha... what's proper? |
| 14:31:05 | scanline | XML all the way through? |
| 14:31:07 | warmi | Win32 resources is basically preparsed binary stuff |
| 14:31:35 | scanline | ok.. just to give you an idea... |
| 14:31:37 | warmi | tux_mike: PuzzleWindow pw(0,"Main Puzzle Window",Qt::WStyle_Customize | Qt::WStyle_NoBorder); |
| 14:32:01 | warmi | just an example |
| 14:32:11 | scanline | warmi: what I just described is a partially implemented feature in picogui now, Widget Templates. There's a binary format that's easy to load, and an XML format you design in |
| 14:32:23 | Speedy2 | bbl all |
| 14:32:36 | warmi | scanline: that is precisely what Windows API has been using for the last 10 years |
| 14:32:41 | scanline | warmi: the binary format reuses code from the client/server layer, so that it takes less than 200 lines of code in the server to load and instantiate this template |
| 14:32:45 | tux_mike | warmi: ok :) |
| 14:32:47 | tux_mike | thanks |
| 14:33:18 | warmi | they create UI files and then these get compiled into binary format that's easy to load |
| 14:33:22 | scanline | warmi: This also means that the template has access to any of the features an application does |
| 14:33:34 | scanline | warmi: yeah... so what's wrong with that? Just that it's like windows? |
| 14:33:40 | warmi | of course, it is not network transparent or client transparent like your stuff |
| 14:33:44 | Wintre | scanline: The best example is probably the anecdote I once heard about MS's testing philosophy |
| 14:33:56 | warmi | nothing .. I actually like it |
| 14:34:17 | Wintre | Put the checks of malloc()'s return values within ifdefs; build them while you're debugging the code |
| 14:34:22 | scanline | warmi: well.. it's not usable yet. picogui has code to load and instantiate WTs, but there's no compiler for them yet |
| 14:34:24 | Wintre | Then compile them out when you build the release version |
| 14:34:49 | scanline | Wintre: that's completely different than just picking the right file format for the job |
| 14:34:52 | chouimat|znessus | George-: did you receive my new icon? |
| 14:35:02 | George- | chouimat|znessus: last night? |
| 14:35:13 | chouimat|znessus | George-: yup |
| 14:35:19 | warmi | Wintre: yeah ... efficiency over all :-) |
| 14:35:43 | scanline | Wintre: just because I write code in C and like to micromanage memory doesn't mean I'm careless, just that I'm a masochist :) |
| 14:35:44 | Wintre | scanline: I should probably pay closer attention to the conversation ;) But I offer that as an example of mindset |
| 14:35:52 | chouimat|znessus | BigBoss: log to progradio they play Explorers Club Passage to Paralysis (new album) |
| 14:36:05 | Wintre | scanline: What they're talking about isn't even masochism, it's just absolutely wrong |
| 14:36:10 | scanline | yeah |
| 14:36:13 | Wintre | I mean this stuff was from the DOS days |
| 14:36:23 | Wintre | No segfaults |
| 14:36:44 | MarkNovak | yo |
| 14:36:51 | scanline | but geez... the malloc error tests were insignificant compared to the time it takes to actually allocate the memory. it's just stupid |
| 14:37:03 | BigBoss | chouimat|znessus: have you seen my station yet? we haven't started broadcasting yet www.progrock.com |
| 14:37:06 | MarkNovak | is in da haus |
| 14:37:08 | scanline | and if you're worried about code bloat, make a malloc wrapper or something |
| 14:37:22 | BigBoss | chouimat|znessus: what is the url for progradio?? |
| 14:37:41 | Wintre | scanline: Even that particular instance isn't that big a deal |
| 14:37:55 | chouimat|znessus | http://205.188.234.161:8026 in xmms or noatun or winamp |
| 14:38:03 | Wintre | It's considering that you would sacrifice robustness of an application in the *shipping*version* thereof that's most amazing to me |
| 14:38:07 | MarkNovak | BigBoss.. what sort of music tastes do you have in common with the previous guy? |
| 14:38:13 | Wintre | But then I'm a sysadmin. Robustness is very important to me |
| 14:38:24 | BigBoss | MarkNovak: virtually the same |
| 14:38:30 | MarkNovak | yes but.. what kind is it? |
| 14:38:36 | chouimat|znessus | MarkNovak: heavy metal |
| 14:38:38 | scanline | Wintre: hard to have much robustness at all in DOS :) |
| 14:38:42 | BigBoss | progressive |
| 14:38:51 | BigBoss | as well as heavy metal prog |
| 14:38:55 | MarkNovak | oh I see |
| 14:39:02 | chouimat|znessus | MarkNovak: in my case add Cradle of Filth :) |
| 14:39:05 | Wintre | scanline: Yep, which makes every thing done to improve it all the more important :) |
| 14:39:07 | BigBoss | but it runs from classic progressive like ELP to current like Pain of Salvation |
| 14:39:15 | MarkNovak | never heard of em |
| 14:39:22 | MarkNovak | are there all sorts of internet radios? |
| 14:39:26 | MarkNovak | all different types of music? |
| 14:39:31 | chouimat|znessus | MarkNovak: yes |
| 14:40:16 | MarkNovak | maybe ill take a look at some of those internet radios |
| 14:40:29 | Wintre | Bah, I can't find a bloody reference |
| 14:41:16 | MarkNovak | windows sucks |
| 14:41:25 | MarkNovak | im going redhat on my server |
| 14:41:32 | BigBoss | you've never heard of Emerson Lake and Palmer? |
| 14:41:34 | BigBoss | my god |
| 14:41:55 | MarkNovak | YES |
| 14:42:01 | MarkNovak | welcome to the show |
| 14:42:07 | MarkNovak | I didnt know you were acronyming it |
| 14:42:14 | Harlekin | MarkNovak: been hacked the last 16 h? |
| 14:42:14 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 14:42:23 | MarkNovak | yes |
| 14:42:27 | MarkNovak | all 16 of the last hours |
| 14:42:31 | djk | BigBoss: we show our age with music ;-) |
| 14:42:37 | MarkNovak | thanks to YOU |
| 14:42:47 | Harlekin | ? |
| 14:42:51 | Harlekin | youre joking |
| 14:43:03 | djk | that never ends |
| 14:43:13 | kergoth | ugh |
| 14:43:15 | kergoth | I dont feel so good |
| 14:43:18 | chouimat|znessus | BigBoss: hehehe |
| 14:43:19 | kergoth | damnit |
| 14:43:29 | Harlekin | kergoth: dont eat that tires |
| 14:43:50 | Harlekin | kergoth: and eating the Z is not good for you either ,-) |
| 14:44:00 | kergoth | Harlekin: oh *thats* the problem.... *now* you tell me... |
| 14:44:11 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 14:44:18 | Harlekin | man |
| 14:44:25 | Harlekin | that ogg stuff is really amazing |
| 14:44:37 | MarkNovak | why do you say that? |
| 14:44:41 | MarkNovak | wieso sagst das? |
| 14:44:49 | Harlekin | ogg |
| 14:44:50 | Harlekin | ? |
| 14:44:56 | Harlekin | i am doing some tests here |
| 14:44:57 | MarkNovak | yes |
| 14:44:59 | Harlekin | low bitrates |
| 14:45:06 | MarkNovak | oh |
| 14:45:14 | Harlekin | ogg 64 kbit sounds as good as mp3 128 kbi |
| 14:45:14 | Harlekin | t |
| 14:45:14 | MarkNovak | is there an ogg co/dec? |
| 14:45:31 | Harlekin | MarkNovak: i encoded on desktop, not pda .-) |
| 14:45:45 | MarkNovak | oh... but it could certainly be put on pda |
| 14:45:59 | Harlekin | yeah, if you want to wait a long long time .-) |
| 14:46:06 | MarkNovak | oh |
| 14:46:12 | MarkNovak | ah nevermind |
| 14:46:14 | Harlekin | its floating point intensive |
| 14:46:22 | Harlekin | but decoding works great |
| 14:46:25 | tux_mike | harlekin: you beat me too it :) |
| 14:46:26 | Harlekin | 17% cpu load |
| 14:46:31 | Harlekin | tux_mike: ? |
| 14:46:40 | tux_mike | saying it's fp intensive :) |
| 14:46:45 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 14:46:54 | Harlekin | but decoding is great |
| 14:46:58 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 14:47:05 | Harlekin | since last week even with seeking .) |
| 14:47:14 | tux_mike | har: is that 17% with the FP version of the int version? |
| 14:47:20 | Harlekin | int |
| 14:47:30 | Harlekin | with fp version you have no change to play on a sa1110 |
| 14:47:36 | Harlekin | you will only heard dirt |
| 14:47:51 | Harlekin | at 100% cpu load |
| 14:47:56 | tux_mike | lol |
| 14:48:01 | Harlekin | you can test |
| 14:48:08 | Harlekin | just get teh debian /arm ogg123 |
| 14:48:08 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 14:48:26 | tux_mike | i don't know why they don't use ints in the first place ;) |
| 14:48:31 | Harlekin | anybody tried teh ogg123 on killefiz? |
| 14:48:38 | Harlekin | tux_mike: quality |
| 14:48:49 | tux_mike | it has that much an impact? |
| 14:48:51 | Harlekin | even though a human would not hear the difference |
| 14:49:20 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 14:49:30 | Harlekin | MarkNovak: it still makes a difference |
| 14:49:35 | tux_mike | except Graeme... :) (some freaky audiofile buff I know who spent $500 on a 1 ft cable) |
| 14:49:40 | Harlekin | tux_mike: and i am not sure about real low bitrates |
| 14:49:44 | Harlekin | like 10 kbps |
| 14:50:02 | Harlekin | there it could make a difference |
| 14:50:10 | Harlekin | still looking into that ussie |
| 14:50:12 | Harlekin | issue |
| 14:50:16 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 14:50:17 | tux_mike | i've gotta reencode my MP3 Collection. you say ogg 64k == mp3 128k? |
| 14:50:29 | Harlekin | had problems with the rms speech ogg stream |
| 14:50:29 | MarkNovak | its not worth it |
| 14:50:40 | Harlekin | not that i wanted to listen to it, but ,, |
| 14:50:50 | Harlekin | maybe in future there will be more interesting streams |
| 14:50:57 | Harlekin | anybody knows a good ogg stream???? |
| 14:50:59 | tux_mike | who'd wanna listen to RMS. |
| 14:51:10 | Harlekin | tux_mike: but be aware if you reencode |
| 14:51:19 | Harlekin | tux_mike: tell me a better ogg stream to test |
| 14:51:32 | MarkNovak | RMS? |
| 14:51:43 | Harlekin | gnu maniac |
| 14:51:51 | tux_mike | i was gonna make a script to dump to wave and then encode to OGG |
| 14:52:01 | Harlekin | tux_mike: mp3 lost allready much stuff from the original |
| 14:52:03 | tux_mike | Free Software Zealot |
| 14:52:12 | Harlekin | tux_mike: if you take that and reencode to ogg you will loose more |
| 14:52:13 | tux_mike | harlekin: true, but i'm not gonna notice |
| 14:52:19 | Harlekin | probably mot |
| 14:52:20 | Harlekin | not |
| 14:52:34 | tux_mike | i need some extra space :) |
| 14:52:34 | MarkNovak | RMS? |
| 14:52:37 | Harlekin | i just reeencode stuff on the fly before putting on opie |
| 14:52:42 | tux_mike | Richard M. Stallman |
| 14:52:45 | MarkNovak | oh |
| 14:52:56 | Harlekin | reencode ( since MarkNovak yesterday did not like all my typos) |
| 14:53:19 | MarkNovak | :) |
| 14:53:27 | MarkNovak | reeeeencode |
| 14:53:43 | Harlekin | puts MarkNovak on ignore |
| 14:53:52 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 14:54:01 | MarkNovak | slaps Harlekin around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:54:10 | Harlekin | .oO(as most others allready did) |
| 14:54:29 | MarkNovak | wirklich? |
| 14:54:40 | BigBoss | tux_mike: you can use our Qt based ogg ripper from ftp.rygannon.com/pub/OggVorbis |
| 14:54:43 | George- | Harlekin: haha |
| 14:54:55 | BigBoss | I found that a quality setting of 3 yielded an excellent sounding file at about 1mb per minute |
| 14:55:23 | tux_mike | big: i may ust try that :) |
| 14:56:14 | Harlekin | BigBoss: that is still ogg rc3 |
| 14:56:24 | Harlekin | tux_mike: be sure you get ogg 1.0 encoder |
| 14:56:34 | Harlekin | there was a large gain between that too |
| 14:56:40 | Harlekin | in the low bitrate sector |
| 14:56:48 | Harlekin | as also the homepage claims |
| 14:57:00 | Harlekin | tux_mike: you can test a 64 kbit ogg from my server if you want |
| 14:57:16 | Harlekin | done with ogg/vorbis 1.0 |
| 14:57:32 | tux_mike | i'll play with it tonight when i get home :) |
| 14:57:46 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 14:59:12 | tux_mike | really shouldn't be coding right now :) |
| 14:59:21 | BigBoss | Harlekin: it uses whatever oggenc you have on your system |
| 14:59:26 | BigBoss | I built a 1.0 for myself |
| 15:00:52 | Harlekin | ah is it rikkus app? |
| 15:01:15 | | Harlekin: sorry... |
| 15:01:15 | Harlekin | ibot: rikkus |
| 15:01:57 | imm | kergoth: did you try a preempt kernel on the Z yet ? |
| 15:02:03 | BigBoss | Harlekin: no, I had one of my other guys write it |
| 15:02:09 | BigBoss | we'll have a windows version out soon as well |
| 15:02:46 | Harlekin | so closed source again |
| 15:03:05 | Harlekin | BigBoss: any feature all the other ripper tools dont have? |
| 15:03:10 | Microdim | anybody here have the sharp CF digital camera? |
| 15:03:48 | sjohnson | Microdim: Yes I bought one recently |
| 15:04:37 | BigBoss | Harlekin: it is *really* easy to use :) |
| 15:04:48 | kergoth | imm: no. itd be easy to test though. |
| 15:04:52 | BigBoss | I couldn't find one I liked, so I had my guys write one |
| 15:04:54 | warmi | something like qDebug(" this returns %d",editorList->current() ); |
| 15:04:59 | BigBoss | and it is multi-platform |
| 15:05:05 | Microdim | how good is the quality of the pictures? |
| 15:05:07 | BigBoss | we'll try a Mac OS X one later |
| 15:05:12 | warmi | ups wrong window |
| 15:05:27 | Harlekin | BigBoss: .-) |
| 15:05:33 | Harlekin | BigBoss: screenshots? |
| 15:05:52 | VerxWork | howdy everyone |
| 15:06:01 | sjohnson | Microdim: The pictures are OK. But the camera doesn't have much in the way of exposure range/control. |
| 15:06:05 | BigBoss | Harlekin: www.thekompany.com/projects/tkcoggripper |
| 15:06:09 | BigBoss | hey verx |
| 15:06:11 | sjohnson | It's pretty much useless indoors. |
| 15:06:27 | sjohnson | ... unless you have a buch of light in the room. |
| 15:06:56 | kergoth | its gonna be a long day. |
| 15:07:57 | Microdim | sjohnson: so do you think it is good say like if I am going to the beach with my gf and I dont want to lug around another digital camera but I carry my zuarus with me every where...just put it in the cf and go? or would a full digital camera be more practical? |
| 15:08:01 | JasonNJ | kergoth: I hear you man. |
| 15:08:05 | Harlekin | BigBoss: looks nice |
| 15:08:38 | JasonNJ | big: I want tkcStockMarket |
| 15:08:41 | VerxWork | had fun working on his Challenge app this weekend |
| 15:08:55 | VerxWork | was at the grand canyon and was able to work on code in the evenings |
| 15:08:55 | VerxWork | :) |
| 15:09:06 | JasonNJ | Verx: I flew over you twice |
| 15:09:21 | VerxWork | JasonNJ: The one where it shows you which stocks will be GUARANTEED to go up in value? |
| 15:09:32 | VerxWork | JasonNJ: Really? heheh, I didn't see ya. :) |
| 15:10:09 | sjohnson | Microdim: It's good for a general purpose camera. But it's max res if 640x480. To me it's too expsensive for what it does. I would rather buy a digital camera. |
| 15:10:41 | VerxWork | considers 640x480 only good enough for postage stamps. . . |
| 15:10:59 | JasonNJ | I want the tkc app that tells you all the things to say to your wife/significant other that get them off your back |
| 15:11:09 | VerxWork | heh |
| 15:11:15 | VerxWork | JasonNJ: That would be pretty amazing |
| 15:11:16 | VerxWork | :) |
| 15:12:08 | Microdim | sjohnson: O I C, well for me 640X480 would be just fine |
| 15:12:35 | warmi | msg George- like:documentPopup->changeItem(editorStack->id(editorList->current()), "blah");" |
| 15:12:37 | tux_mike | ... wow... i've gotten a lot done in the past hour and a half |
| 15:12:39 | Microdim | sjohnson: I mean a regular picture is only 5X7" anyway |
| 15:12:48 | tux_mike | hands warmi a / |
| 15:12:52 | tux_mike | you forgot this :) |
| 15:12:53 | warmi | heeh |
| 15:12:56 | warmi | thanks |
| 15:12:56 | George- | warmi: hehe :) |
| 15:13:19 | tux_mike | i managed to get more than 7k of code done in less than 2 hours :) |
| 15:13:31 | BigBoss | typing on a zaurus? |
| 15:13:45 | tux_mike | my thumbs would have fallen off :) |
| 15:13:56 | tux_mike | this is faster than i usually code |
| 15:14:10 | tux_mike | i'm lucky if i can get 7k done in a day :) |
| 15:14:56 | Microdim | where would I go as a begginer to learn how to develop for the Z, Tux_mike: take the rest of the day off then :) |
| 15:15:12 | BigBoss | my record for kicking ass was during Y2K. I fixed this 80,000 line COBOL monstor that was the core of this client in 4 hours and there wasn't a single bug |
| 15:16:35 | tux_mike | wow |
| 15:18:17 | tux_mike | i wonder how much i can actually get done today |
| 15:18:28 | tux_mike | i think i can get as far as match detection |
| 15:20:29 | tux_mike | i'm gonna be so proud if i can get this game to run :) |
| 15:21:26 | chouimat|Work | wb George- |
| 15:21:34 | George- | ty |
| 15:23:08 | jbwiv | hey guys. Looking for a GPL'd app that uses many of the Qtopia classes (FileSelector, etc.) so I can use it as a tutorial. Does anyone have any suggestions? thx! |
| 15:23:32 | tux_mike | jbwiv: get the Qtopia source |
| 15:23:39 | George- | laucher? :) |
| 15:24:02 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 15:24:07 | TheMasterMind1 | no way to flash a zaurus without the cf? |
| 15:24:14 | jbwiv | tux_mike: qtopia or qt/e? |
| 15:24:19 | tux_mike | qtopia |
| 15:24:29 | George- | TheMasterMind1: nope |
| 15:24:35 | jbwiv | tux_mike: does it include good examples? I'm currently using the qtopia rpm... |
| 15:25:16 | tux_mike | you need the source, not the SDK. it has the open source versions of ALL the components |
| 15:25:51 | jbwiv | tux_mike: ok, this leads me to another question. On trolltech's server, there is a Qtopia tar ball and a Qpe tarball. Which do I want? And what version does the Zaurus use (sorry to bombard you :))? |
| 15:26:25 | jbwiv | I've never clearly understood the difference between Qtopia and Qpe.... |
| 15:27:33 | JasonNJ | qpe is the launcher, qtopia is the environment |
| 15:28:43 | Harlekin | no |
| 15:28:49 | Harlekin | the whole thing was qpe |
| 15:28:50 | Harlekin | once |
| 15:28:54 | jbwiv | ok |
| 15:28:58 | Harlekin | until december 2001 |
| 15:28:58 | BigBoss | there is qte and qpe/qtopia |
| 15:29:04 | BigBoss | think of qtopia as KDE |
| 15:29:07 | BigBoss | and qte as qt |
| 15:29:26 | BigBoss | you can do like Mizi and just use qte and then make your own butt ugly GUI desktop :) |
| 15:29:33 | fusion94 | morning JasonNJ |
| 15:29:50 | jbwiv | BigBoss: ok, so which do I want to get the source code of FileSelector, etc. which are all Qtopia classes? |
| 15:30:27 | jbwiv | there's only Qtopia *rpms* on trolltech's ftp servers. There are, however, qpe tar balls.... |
| 15:30:40 | jbwiv | course, there is a qtopia src rpm. it's version 1.5.0-1 |
| 15:30:53 | Harlekin | BigBoss: mizi? |
| 15:31:17 | | Harlekin: sorry... |
| 15:31:17 | Harlekin | ibot: mizi |
| 15:31:31 | | qtopia is the new name for QPE and it is at qpe.sourceforge.net or a more well developed and binary compatable fork of qtopia is opie |
| 15:31:31 | jbwiv | ibot qtopia |
| 15:31:48 | JasonNJ | morning fusion94 |
| 15:32:46 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 15:32:50 | TheMasterMind1 | qtopia == qpe? |
| 15:33:00 | TheMasterMind1 | isn't qpe gtk based? |
| 15:33:08 | TheMasterMind1 | wait, that's gpe |
| 15:33:09 | TheMasterMind1 | nm |
| 15:33:13 | JasonNJ | fusion94: I almost bought a new TiBook this weekend |
| 15:33:19 | JasonNJ | then I came to my senses |
| 15:33:29 | jbwiv | BigBoss or tux_mike: is qpe-1.4.0 the same currently in use on the Zaurus? |
| 15:33:35 | JasonNJ | jb: no |
| 15:33:36 | | i think qtopia is the new name for QPE and it is at qpe.sourceforge.net or a more well developed and binary compatable fork of qtopia is opie |
| 15:33:36 | jbwiv | ibot qtopia |
| 15:33:37 | JasonNJ | thats ancient |
| 15:33:47 | BigBoss | jbwiv: no |
| 15:33:50 | BigBoss | that is super old |
| 15:33:53 | | qpe is now qtopia, but opie is a binary compatable, and more well developed fork of the qtopia codebase |
| 15:33:53 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot qpe |
| 15:33:58 | Harlekin | lol |
| 15:34:01 | Harlekin | thats a good one |
| 15:34:03 | | hmmm... gpe is the GPE Palmtop Environment and can be found at http://gpe.handhelds.org/ - Join #gpe to chat about it. |
| 15:34:03 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot gpe |
| 15:34:12 | jbwiv | BigBoss: that looks to be the oldest in the repos at qpe.sourceforge.net |
| 15:34:59 | jbwiv | oh yeah, from Sept. 13, 2001...sorry ;( |
| 15:35:26 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: heh...cool cool |
| 15:35:49 | JasonNJ | I almost whipped out the Amex card until I saw the price tag |
| 15:35:54 | JasonNJ | 3700 bucks... |
| 15:35:56 | JasonNJ | for the one I wanted |
| 15:36:30 | JasonNJ | "scuse me while I whip this out!" |
| 15:37:26 | jbwiv | BigBoss or JasonNJ or tux_mike: so would the newest qtopia in use on the Z be qtopia-free-1.5.0-1? |
| 15:38:24 | JasonNJ | hey checkout handhelds.org. Someone is writing a QPE/GPE boot selector |
| 15:39:21 | frankps | hi all |
| 15:39:27 | Harlekin | Harlekin: for ipaq |
| 15:39:33 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: for ipaq |
| 15:39:36 | JasonNJ | jb: well, technically it is qtopia 1.6 I think |
| 15:39:42 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: you can use the ipaq console only now |
| 15:39:59 | JasonNJ | in the cvs |
| 15:40:11 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: did you look at qtopia-1.6? its has many changes |
| 15:40:33 | JasonNJ | not recently |
| 15:40:43 | JasonNJ | well, technically I think the A300 may have peices of it |
| 15:40:45 | jbwiv | BigBoss or JasonNJ or tux_mike: alright, one final dumb question. Is the CVS repository on sourceforge.net the location to find the latest files in use? |
| 15:40:50 | JasonNJ | I finally got to see a A300 at LinuxWorld |
| 15:41:03 | JasonNJ | they added some new stuff, like documents view is different |
| 15:41:04 | bipolar | JasonNJ: Hello |
| 15:41:05 | JasonNJ | it has folders |
| 15:42:03 | BigBoss | JasonNJ: how is it overall? |
| 15:42:10 | JasonNJ | its cute |
| 15:42:11 | tux_mike | jbwiv: yes |
| 15:42:29 | JasonNJ | I really didnt have a chance to look at it much, and its in Japanese |
| 15:42:44 | BigBoss | they gonna release it in the states? |
| 15:42:47 | bipolar | JasonNJ: I suspect that the lack of a thumb keyboard is due to the device being marketed primarily to asian markets? |
| 15:42:48 | BigBoss | can you install english on it? |
| 15:42:52 | JasonNJ | I think so |
| 15:42:58 | VerxWork | JasonNJ: Folders in the documents view? Is that in lieu of categories? |
| 15:42:59 | BigBoss | and asians don't have thumbs :) |
| 15:43:07 | JasonNJ | the A300, or some version of it might make it here at some point |
| 15:43:08 | bipolar | BigBoss: hehehe...... |
| 15:43:26 | JasonNJ | Verx: the documents view is a filemanager |
| 15:43:30 | JasonNJ | with folders |
| 15:43:44 | VerxWork | MY GOD JASONNJ! |
| 15:43:44 | JasonNJ | not sure if that is a Qtopia or Sharp enchancement |
| 15:43:47 | chouimat|Work | qpe cvs build with qt3 ??? |
| 15:43:48 | MarkNovak | MY GOD |
| 15:43:55 | MarkNovak | why my god? |
| 15:43:58 | VerxWork | who at sharp finally came to their senses and made it a filemanager?!?!? |
| 15:44:05 | VerxWork | wants to thank them |
| 15:44:05 | VerxWork | :) |
| 15:44:06 | bipolar | BigBoss: Just thinking how you would enter kangi with a thumb keyboard. |
| 15:44:08 | JasonNJ | not sure if its a true filemanager |
| 15:44:19 | JasonNJ | like I said it was in japanese |
| 15:44:29 | JasonNJ | was hard for me to tell what app was what |
| 15:44:32 | VerxWork | heh |
| 15:44:36 | JasonNJ | except for what was loaded 3rd party |
| 15:44:41 | JasonNJ | the tkc stuff ran in english |
| 15:44:45 | VerxWork | figured all sharp employees were required to know japanese |
| 15:44:45 | BigBoss | in korean they use an english language keyboard and it converts to korean after the word is done |
| 15:44:47 | jbwiv | tux_mike: ok, thx very much! |
| 15:44:49 | JasonNJ | that we demoed at the intel booth |
| 15:44:53 | tux_mike | np |
| 15:44:58 | BigBoss | we've sold like 100 or more copies of software to the japanese market already |
| 15:47:05 | VerxWork | warmi, are you here? |
| 15:47:21 | warmi | VerxWork: yeah |
| 15:47:35 | VerxWork | warmi: What did you do to make gnuboy faster? |
| 15:47:39 | VerxWork | just curious |
| 15:48:03 | imm | anyone got feedback from sharp ? |
| 15:48:17 | JasonNJ | imm: on what? |
| 15:48:24 | warmi | VerxWork: I modified the code to use framebuffer directly instead of rendering to QImage |
| 15:48:25 | scanline | join #fresco |
| 15:48:27 | scanline | oops |
| 15:48:36 | imm | JasonNJ: on his beta |
| 15:48:44 | VerxWork | warmi: Cool. I will have to give it a try |
| 15:48:49 | VerxWork | warmi: Does sound work for you? |
| 15:48:54 | VerxWork | it is HORRIBLE on my iPAQ |
| 15:48:56 | JasonNJ | imm: we just got back in the office |
| 15:48:57 | VerxWork | obscenely bad |
| 15:49:13 | warmi | VerxWork: no .. I works on X86 but it doesn't on Zaurus which means there is something wrong with Zaurus sound drivers |
| 15:49:32 | warmi | or perhaps gnuboy uses some features of the Linux sound driver that are not available on the Zaurus |
| 15:49:46 | warmi | I know next to nothing about sound so I can't really fix that one |
| 15:50:23 | imm | JasonNJ: sorry, different timezones confuse me |
| 15:50:42 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: how was your weekend ? |
| 15:50:46 | tux_mike | mmm lunchtime |
| 15:50:57 | imm | mmm work over |
| 15:51:02 | Harlekin | VerxWork: sound of what |
| 15:51:02 | VerxWork | warmi: Well, I will try the new version |
| 15:51:10 | VerxWork | Harlekin: gnuboy |
| 15:51:16 | Harlekin | VerxWork: which kernel |
| 15:51:33 | JasonNJ | man I am so burnt |
| 15:51:55 | fusion94 | heh |
| 15:51:57 | warmi | VerxWork: it is twice as fast as the old one .. not exactly as fast as the device itself but definately playable |
| 15:52:06 | VerxWork | cool |
| 15:52:07 | VerxWork | :) |
| 15:52:11 | VerxWork | just wants SOUND!!! |
| 15:52:11 | VerxWork | :) |
| 15:52:17 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: i hear you...i did nothing on friday other than chill out |
| 15:52:21 | imm | how do i play sounds from qt ? |
| 15:52:37 | JasonNJ | had a redeye flight on thursday evening |
| 15:52:40 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: hey, fairs are fun |
| 15:52:43 | JasonNJ | landed at like 7:30 |
| 15:52:46 | JasonNJ | am |
| 15:53:00 | JasonNJ | tons of turbulence on the plane and crying kids |
| 15:53:04 | JasonNJ | totally uncomfortable |
| 15:53:19 | JasonNJ | got home at like 9am |
| 15:53:25 | JasonNJ | slept until 3pm |
| 15:53:29 | JasonNJ | got up |
| 15:53:32 | JasonNJ | went out to dinner |
| 15:53:33 | imm | JasonNJ: turbulence are cool :) |
| 15:53:39 | JasonNJ | came back, slept again |
| 15:53:42 | JasonNJ | woke up at 6am |
| 15:54:04 | JasonNJ | wife drags me out to look for appliances for new kitchen |
| 15:54:16 | JasonNJ | then, a birthday party for infants |
| 15:54:25 | JasonNJ | 20 screaming toddlers |
| 15:54:31 | JasonNJ | then torrential rain |
| 15:54:37 | imm | JasonNJ: they bring your stomach on line |
| 15:54:42 | JasonNJ | now, I mean serious, monsoon type stuff |
| 15:54:49 | George- | hahahaha |
| 15:55:18 | JasonNJ | sunday was ok |
| 15:55:27 | JasonNJ | but I feel cheated out of a weekend basically |
| 15:55:34 | JasonNJ | and I am really burned out from that show |
| 15:55:56 | chouimat|Work | imm: you saw my screenshots: I put the tabs on top or on the bottom |
| 15:56:15 | imm | chouimat|Work: ? |
| 15:56:35 | JasonNJ | people come up and ask the stupidest questions at trade shows |
| 15:56:58 | JasonNJ | and then you got the people who like, keep coming back every day and monopolize your time when dozens of people want to talk to you |
| 15:57:00 | imm | JasonNJ: does the Z run Outlook ? |
| 15:57:08 | chouimat|Work | imm: forget |
| 15:57:27 | JasonNJ | I had this one ddue from Brazil who bought a Z at the show, and was commited to getting me to make the Z sync with his SusE laptop |
| 15:57:30 | George- | JasonNJ: what's the status of OS X syncing? :) |
| 15:57:51 | JasonNJ | the guy was camped out next to me |
| 15:57:57 | George- | lol |
| 15:58:09 | VerxWork | JasonNJ: That sucks man. :(( |
| 15:58:24 | TheMasterMind1 | dammit |
| 15:58:32 | TheMasterMind1 | i should have gone and gotten a zaurus for 299 |
| 15:58:39 | JasonNJ | plus, people were sucking down our 802.11 bandwidth so I couldnt demo much stuff |
| 15:58:43 | TheMasterMind1 | me want zaurus |
| 15:58:47 | JasonNJ | I sat and played DivX files all day long |
| 15:58:52 | TheMasterMind1 | JasonNJ: lol |
| 15:59:00 | VerxWork | JasonNJ: Was it Sharp provided 802.11 or show provided? |
| 15:59:08 | JasonNJ | sharp provided |
| 15:59:26 | VerxWork | well, that sortof sucks. I mean, that you guys couldn't even use your own bandwidth |
| 16:00:07 | VerxWork | Does anyone know if it is even remotely possible to upgrade the RAM or ROM in a 5000d? |
| 16:00:52 | oGMo | VerxWork: upgrade the rom size? |
| 16:00:53 | JasonNJ | Verx: someone from europe apparently did it with the proper tsop chips |
| 16:01:09 | VerxWork | JasonNJ: Do you have a URL by any chance? |
| 16:01:11 | VerxWork | googles |
| 16:02:37 | VerxWork | http://www.bitstream.com/wireless/index.html |
| 16:02:42 | VerxWork | wants that like NOW |
| 16:02:43 | VerxWork | :) |
| 16:04:00 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet |
| 16:04:03 | TheMasterMind1 | what about with a 550 |
| 16:04:04 | TheMasterMind1 | 0 |
| 16:04:06 | TheMasterMind1 | jack it up even more |
| 16:04:10 | TheMasterMind1 | lose even more battery |
| 16:04:42 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 16:04:44 | TheMasterMind1 | nice browser |
| 16:05:09 | JasonNJ | ah cool, new Linux Journal is out |
| 16:05:13 | JasonNJ | Zaurus named product of the Year |
| 16:05:16 | TheMasterMind1 | does opera/konquerer rotate like that |
| 16:05:18 | VerxWork | yup |
| 16:05:21 | VerxWork | I read that this weekend |
| 16:05:24 | oGMo | JasonNJ: nifty |
| 16:05:41 | erikd | ooooh... so that means people might actually -use- my software? :) |
| 16:05:45 | VerxWork | JasonNJ: They have a nice line in there - something about "You will understand as soon as you own one" or something REALLY close to that. :) |
| 16:05:45 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: that's good news, how did sales at the show turn out ? |
| 16:05:58 | JasonNJ | smacks fusion94 |
| 16:06:00 | TheMasterMind1 | didn't they sell all of em |
| 16:06:04 | TheMasterMind1 | like 2k units |
| 16:06:24 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: eh ?? |
| 16:06:26 | JasonNJ | not sure what the final sales figures were |
| 16:06:32 | erikd | the place i used to buy all my linux journals isn't selling 'em anymore =/ |
| 16:06:53 | warmi_meeting | erikd: why don't you subscribe to it |
| 16:07:02 | erikd | good question |
| 16:07:12 | erikd | i really don't know |
| 16:07:13 | erikd | :) |
| 16:07:21 | warmi_meeting | it is like $24 per year |
| 16:07:43 | erikd | i'll have to remember to do that when i get money again |
| 16:07:54 | warmi_meeting | uh .. I did it again |
| 16:08:13 | erikd | ? |
| 16:08:15 | warmi_meeting | I am in "conference call" meeting now |
| 16:08:19 | JasonNJ | fusion: when is the first box goint to be up, as in net connected? |
| 16:08:25 | warmi_meeting | and I tend to "lose" focus .. |
| 16:08:27 | fusion94 | this week.... |
| 16:08:40 | JasonNJ | ok, I want to migrate all the SF stuff over |
| 16:08:45 | fusion94 | fscking redhat advanced server 2.1 is having issues |
| 16:08:48 | JasonNJ | mailing lists, projects, the whole deal |
| 16:09:13 | warmi_meeting | miss the question they ask me .. and then there is that silence .. they waiting for my answer and I am waiting for someone to say something cause I never even heard the question in the first place |
| 16:09:26 | erikd | heh |
| 16:09:26 | kergoth | warmi_meeting: lol, i *hate* that |
| 16:09:44 | VerxWork | It has been a while since I talked about it but Toshiba is finally selling a Bluetooth SD card (at least it looks like it from their website). The card should work with all PPC 2002 devices that have SD IO capabilities though it will slightly stick out of the slot. Still, price tag isn't cheap, $199, making you wonder why you shouldn't buy a BT enabled PPC instead. |
| 16:09:46 | VerxWork | hrm |
| 16:09:50 | VerxWork | 's mouth drools |
| 16:10:20 | scanline | is away: going to the dentist |
| 16:10:30 | TheMasterMind1 | what do you guys use bluetooth with anyways? |
| 16:10:34 | oGMo | VerxWork: or a BT CF card |
| 16:10:47 | oGMo | i thought those were under $100 |
| 16:11:11 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 16:11:20 | oGMo | TheMasterMind1: i don't, it's all theory, but it'd be nifty to have a BT phone and a BT card in your Z to do completely wireless internet |
| 16:11:34 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 16:11:38 | TheMasterMind1 | or stick in a 802.11 |
| 16:11:54 | TheMasterMind1 | but that's not everywhere |
| 16:12:02 | VerxWork | oGMo: My thought is, SD is max 128MB. CF is max 1GB. If I do bluetooth on SD, that gives me 1GB on CF |
| 16:12:02 | oGMo | TheMasterMind1: we're talking out in the middle of nowhere wireless, not i'm sitting on my couch watching TV |
| 16:12:02 | VerxWork | :) |
| 16:12:16 | oGMo | VerxWork: ya... still the bw to SD sucks |
| 16:12:20 | oGMo | on the Z anyway |
| 16:12:31 | oGMo | although, i suppose it'd be more than sufficient for PPP :) |
| 16:12:32 | warmi_meeting | kergoth: hehe .. I hate that too .. but down there I know it is my fault - I am basically being rude .. not paying attention to what they are talking about :-) |
| 16:12:42 | VerxWork | oGMo: bluetooth isn't exactly a speed demon anyway. . . |
| 16:12:52 | oGMo | VerxWork: yeah |
| 16:13:05 | oGMo | but it's a couple megabit |
| 16:13:26 | VerxWork | SD is really only slow at writing |
| 16:13:33 | TheMasterMind1 | this thunderhawk is kickass |
| 16:13:34 | VerxWork | it is pretty decent at reading |
| 16:13:43 | VerxWork | themastermindl: You downloaded it? |
| 16:13:54 | oGMo | VerxWork: mine sucks at reading, i can't play even mp3s or doom off of it without skippage |
| 16:14:12 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxWork: its free? |
| 16:14:12 | oGMo | it's mostly sustained throughput that seems to be the problem |
| 16:14:14 | VerxWork | oGMo: Hrm. on my ipaq it is decent at reading |
| 16:14:17 | TheMasterMind1 | its ppc based anyway |
| 16:14:21 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't run on zaurus can i |
| 16:14:22 | VerxWork | TheMasterMindl: 30 day trial |
| 16:14:26 | VerxWork | no, you can't |
| 16:14:32 | VerxWork | but it looks awesome doesn't it? |
| 16:14:35 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 16:14:43 | TheMasterMind1 | can't you rotate the opera screen |
| 16:14:48 | TheMasterMind1 | it'd be pretty decent also |
| 16:14:58 | VerxWork | yeah |
| 16:15:01 | VerxWork | you can rotate with opera |
| 16:15:56 | oGMo | you can but it doesn't widen :( |
| 16:16:08 | VerxWork | er |
| 16:16:11 | VerxWork | I mean, with opie |
| 16:16:13 | VerxWork | rofl |
| 16:16:16 | VerxWork | doesn't have opera |
| 16:16:48 | TheMasterMind1 | konqueror then |
| 16:16:56 | TheMasterMind1 | oGMo: it doesn't? damn.. |
| 16:16:57 | TheMasterMind1 | pos |
| 16:17:20 | oGMo | TheMasterMind1: yeah, sucks, i haven't had a lot of luck with rotating anything (except naturally-rotated stuff like doom and scummvm) |
| 16:17:22 | TheMasterMind1 | what about konqueror |
| 16:17:30 | oGMo | haven't tried konq at all on the Z |
| 16:17:33 | TheMasterMind1 | what's scummvm |
| 16:17:34 | oGMo | it might |
| 16:17:48 | oGMo | TheMasterMind1: plays old lucasfilm games... indy, monkey island, day of the tentacle, etc. |
| 16:17:55 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm thinking of doing gpe |
| 16:17:57 | TheMasterMind1 | gtk++ |
| 16:17:58 | oGMo | they make awesome games on the Z |
| 16:18:00 | TheMasterMind1 | gtk stuff rotates nicely |
| 16:18:08 | oGMo | TheMasterMind1: meh, stick to Qt, gtk sucks a nut |
| 16:18:21 | erikd | agrees |
| 16:18:35 | tux_mike | yup Qt > gtk by a long shot |
| 16:18:39 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:19:28 | prpplague | fltk> qt > gtk |
| 16:19:36 | TheMasterMind1 | fltk? |
| 16:19:46 | | fltk is Fast Lightweight Tool Kit and can be found at http://www.fltk.org or <reply> fltk is also available in 2 versions for the ipaq - libfltk1 from official feeds, which is cut-down, or libfltk1-1, the full bells'n'whistles, available from David McNab's feed at http://freenet.org.nz/feeds/mcnab or a cross-platform GUI toolkit |
| 16:19:46 | prpplague | ibot: fltk |
| 16:20:05 | kergoth | oGMo: konq rotates just fine, fyi. heh. |
| 16:20:08 | oGMo | fltk is oogly |
| 16:20:13 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: sup |
| 16:20:14 | oGMo | kergoth: cool, i'll have to check it out |
| 16:20:18 | kergoth | nada |
| 16:20:21 | oGMo | opera has some annoyanced |
| 16:20:24 | kergoth | today sucks. |
| 16:20:28 | oGMo | s/d$/s/ |
| 16:20:29 | prpplague | oGMo: oogly=ugly? |
| 16:20:31 | kergoth | damn mondays |
| 16:20:34 | oGMo | prpplague: yeah |
| 16:20:39 | warmi_meeting | oGMo: oh yeah .. it is right up there with GTK as far as visual beauty is concerned :-) |
| 16:20:44 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 16:20:45 | TheMasterMind1 | i like gtk |
| 16:20:48 | prpplague | oGMo: only if you make it that way |
| 16:20:51 | TheMasterMind1 | gtk themes are nice |
| 16:21:02 | oGMo | warmi_meeting: and the API, oh man! |
| 16:21:03 | oGMo | ;) |
| 16:21:13 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone tried dillo |
| 16:21:25 | warmi_meeting | gtk themes used to done completely using Pixmaps which resulted in extremely bloated themes |
| 16:21:28 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: works great, i have it on thinclients and webpads |
| 16:21:34 | warmi_meeting | perhaps these days they fixed that |
| 16:21:35 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 16:21:38 | TheMasterMind1 | and on the zaurus? |
| 16:21:51 | TheMasterMind1 | apt-get installs dillo |
| 16:22:02 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: not yet |
| 16:22:05 | oGMo | kergoth: yeah mondays suck |
| 16:22:20 | oGMo | brb |
| 16:22:21 | Phlux_ | is away, 10 minute autoaway (l!on) : os/bx |
| 16:22:28 | warmi_meeting | yeah .. I read about dillo in the currnet Linux Journal |
| 16:22:39 | warmi_meeting | seems to be a decent browser |
| 16:23:08 | warmi_meeting | too bad it is GTK based |
| 16:23:41 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 16:23:43 | TheMasterMind1 | not bad |
| 16:23:48 | TheMasterMind1 | sucks on many pages though |
| 16:23:54 | tux_mike | warmi: i have another question for you :) you going to that meeting now? |
| 16:23:57 | TheMasterMind1 | table and other issues |
| 16:24:13 | warmi_meeting | tux_mike: I am in the meeting now .. it is conference call |
| 16:24:23 | warmi_meeting | I am multitasking here heavily |
| 16:24:25 | treke|ho1e | warmi_meeting: eh it sucks |
| 16:24:27 | warmi_meeting | heeh |
| 16:24:31 | tux_mike | ah. well, i'll ask later :) |
| 16:24:33 | TheMasterMind1 | what's wrong with gtk? |
| 16:24:35 | treke|ho1e | warmi_meeting: konquerer is far far nicer |
| 16:24:48 | treke|ho1e | TheMasterMind1: A bit of a pain to program with |
| 16:24:57 | TheMasterMind1 | use glade |
| 16:24:59 | TheMasterMind1 | glade = kickass |
| 16:25:12 | warmi_meeting | TheMasterMind1: have you ever tried to derive from existing GTK widgets ? |
| 16:25:18 | TheMasterMind1 | speaking of which, i'm going to have to kick some ass when those ups retards eventually get here |
| 16:25:24 | warmi_meeting | it is a nightmare compared to Qt in this regard |
| 16:25:29 | TheMasterMind1 | warmi_meeting: no, fortunately |
| 16:25:51 | tux_mike | well, time to do some real work :) |
| 16:27:13 | warmi_meeting | tux_mike: I will be done in about 5 minutes |
| 16:28:44 | kergoth | argh |
| 16:30:02 | kergoth | hits something at random |
| 16:30:28 | VerxWork | can someone real familiar with "ps" tell me what the VSZ and RSS columns mean? |
| 16:30:31 | VerxWork | is that memory usage? |
| 16:30:34 | ljp_ | cat something >> /dec/urandom |
| 16:30:36 | VerxWork | prays not |
| 16:30:41 | ljp_ | er r/dev/urandom |
| 16:31:13 | | bigboss was last seen on #zaurus 46 minutes and 15 seconds ago, saying: we've sold like 100 or more copies of software to the japanese market already [Mon Aug 19 16:44:58 2002] |
| 16:31:13 | nasa | ibot seen bigboss |
| 16:31:44 | kergoth | VerxWork: VSZ = vsize = total memory usage, including ram and swap |
| 16:31:50 | kergoth | VerxWork: I dunno about the other, read the man page |
| 16:31:53 | VerxWork | my dear god |
| 16:32:04 | VerxWork | root 146 0.1 9.7 10456 6116 ? S 15:46 0:09 addressbook -qcop /tmp/qcop-msg-addressbook |
| 16:32:04 | VerxWork | root 147 0.0 8.6 10060 5464 ? S 15:46 0:04 tkcToDo -qcop /tmp/qcop-msg-tkcToDo |
| 16:32:05 | VerxWork | root 148 0.1 9.7 10588 6168 ? S 15:46 0:09 datebook -qcop /tmp/qcop-msg-datebook |
| 16:32:15 | VerxWork | so those three tkc apps consume 30MB! |
| 16:32:16 | VerxWork | :( |
| 16:32:31 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:32:32 | kergoth | ack |
| 16:32:38 | kergoth | how much ram is in your ipaq? 64? |
| 16:32:40 | VerxWork | that is fine on my iPAQ, but on my upcoming 5000d, that will nuke it |
| 16:32:45 | VerxWork | yeah, my ipaq has 64MB |
| 16:32:50 | VerxWork | the 5000d only has 32MB |
| 16:32:53 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:33:02 | kergoth | and of course opie/qtopia itself will take ram |
| 16:33:09 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: what should i start playing with in the kernel? |
| 16:33:09 | kergoth | 11 megs or so iirc |
| 16:33:13 | Phlux_ | exit |
| 16:33:13 | VerxWork | right, that is roughly 10MB it looks like |
| 16:33:19 | VerxWork | root 137 98.1 11.0 10960 6968 ? R 15:45 121:34 /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qpe |
| 16:33:35 | VerxWork | cries |
| 16:33:43 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: up to you. read the TODO. |
| 16:33:58 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i did.. just gotta choose oneto start working with |
| 16:34:17 | VerxWork | so it appears I won't be able to fast load a single thing |
| 16:35:06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ah. well the pcmcia support is on my plate atm. anything else, feel free. for example, the flash is stuck read only atm, cant mount it readwrite or things get unhappy.. |
| 16:35:22 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: didnt get that working yet? |
| 16:35:46 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: nah i set it aside a bit to work on the sound drivers and pcmcia support, among other things |
| 16:36:05 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 16:36:11 | TheMasterMind1 | the sony clie is so worthless |
| 16:36:12 | VerxWork | kergoth: This is on ipaq then I assume? |
| 16:36:24 | VerxWork | themastermindl: It is small and has a nice screen |
| 16:36:28 | VerxWork | that is about it |
| 16:36:44 | kergoth | VerxWork: whats on ipaq? |
| 16:36:51 | kergoth | i like the jog dial thingies |
| 16:37:09 | VerxWork | kergoth: PCMCIA support |
| 16:37:15 | TheMasterMind1 | yea but its pretty worthless... a nice toy maybe but not much cool stuff you can do with it |
| 16:37:21 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxWork: no, zaurus. cf->pcmcia card |
| 16:37:28 | kergoth | VerxWork: ah. I'm just adding support for the Z for the pcmcia in 2.5.30 |
| 16:37:30 | VerxWork | OUCH |
| 16:37:37 | VerxWork | themastermindl: That is insane |
| 16:37:44 | VerxWork | does that double the size of the Z? |
| 16:37:45 | TheMasterMind1 | these ups guys are pissing me off |
| 16:38:02 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxWork: its better than adding four different jackets onto the ipaq |
| 16:38:06 | TheMasterMind1 | making it 10x thicker |
| 16:38:13 | VerxWork | tests loading tkcaddress and tkccalendar without using fast load |
| 16:38:16 | VerxWork | it is obscene |
| 16:38:18 | VerxWork | :( |
| 16:38:24 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:38:26 | warmi | tux_mike: so what was your question ? |
| 16:38:49 | kergoth | whats insane? |
| 16:38:49 | kergoth | ohh |
| 16:38:50 | kergoth | n/m |
| 16:38:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:38:56 | VerxWork | the time it takes to load |
| 16:38:57 | VerxWork | :( |
| 16:39:02 | kergoth | VerxWork: cf is pcmcia, man. when i say i'm adding pcmcia support, it means i'm adding support for the CF slot in 2.5.30 for the Z |
| 16:39:04 | VerxWork | I was just seeing what life would be like on my Z |
| 16:39:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:39:36 | kergoth | VerxWork: pester tkc :-) |
| 16:39:39 | VerxWork | 10 seconds to load tkc calendar |
| 16:40:07 | MarkNovak | thats horrible |
| 16:40:22 | VerxWork | 5 seconds to display tkc addressbook, then another 6 to display the addresses in it |
| 16:40:45 | TheMasterMind1 | ouch |
| 16:40:45 | VerxWork | only 3 seconds for tkc Todo |
| 16:40:49 | VerxWork | that is fine by me |
| 16:40:58 | VerxWork | the other two, however, I can't really live with |
| 16:40:58 | VerxWork | :( |
| 16:41:18 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't even use the address book and phone numbers and calendar stuff |
| 16:41:18 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:41:24 | TheMasterMind1 | so much better stuff you can use the Z for |
| 16:41:34 | VerxWork | heh |
| 16:41:34 | VerxWork | well |
| 16:41:34 | TheMasterMind1 | first thing i'm doing is deleting the worthless pim stuff |
| 16:41:38 | VerxWork | c'est la vie I suppose |
| 16:42:05 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: load OZ so you can remove them from flash and put something worthwhile there |
| 16:42:14 | kergoth | I use my Z for the standard pim stuff, myself. |
| 16:42:17 | ljp_ | you know, verx. if you travel at the speed of light, and you leave your pda back at home, you'll reduce that open time significantly |
| 16:42:32 | VerxWork | ljp: You are worthless |
| 16:42:32 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: yea.. i'm thinking of compiling my own kernel and creating a rom with all the stuff i want |
| 16:42:43 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm going to play around with oz and qpe and the other roms out there too |
| 16:43:28 | TheMasterMind1 | heh. dualboot the Z |
| 16:43:44 | TheMasterMind1 | 1) OZ 2) sharp |
| 16:44:08 | TheMasterMind1 | so where's that link with the guy who added more ram/rom into his 5000d |
| 16:44:33 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: you could easily drop a distro onto a CF and pivot_root to it to run it.. ala intimate |
| 16:44:43 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 16:44:44 | VerxWork | TheMasterMindl: I want that link too |
| 16:44:45 | TheMasterMind1 | debian.. |
| 16:44:45 | VerxWork | I can't find it |
| 16:44:47 | TheMasterMind1 | mnnn |
| 16:44:55 | TheMasterMind1 | VerxWork: who was talking about it? ask them |
| 16:45:03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: OZ = debian but with ipkg rather than dpkg, basically |
| 16:45:13 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 16:45:18 | VerxWork | JasonNJ was, and I did ask him for a link, be he didn't respond |
| 16:45:23 | TheMasterMind1 | doesn't sharp also have ipkg though? |
| 16:45:28 | kergoth | yes. |
| 16:46:44 | kergoth | sharp is read only flash, OZ is read-write |
| 16:46:47 | kergoth | sharp is redhat based in its structure, OZ is debian based in its structure |
| 16:46:54 | TheMasterMind1 | so how does kernel development usually work? people work on both the current and development tree at the same time? i.e. 2.4.x and 2.5.x |
| 16:46:57 | TheMasterMind1 | fixing the same stuff twice? |
| 16:47:03 | kergoth | beyond that, OZ has opie, sharp has qtopia. not much different other than that. |
| 16:47:04 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:47:50 | TheMasterMind1 | yea.. i might want to stick with opera/java-whateveritis though |
| 16:48:00 | TheMasterMind1 | unless the oz alternates are better |
| 16:48:04 | TheMasterMind1 | in addition to being open |
| 16:50:29 | mickeyl | btw... any luck in bringing opera to oz? it segfaults for me - despite having all libraries and stuff it needs. |
| 16:50:43 | George- | mickeyl: it segfaults for me as well |
| 16:51:19 | comfrey | does anyone have any experiance with external power sources for the Z? |
| 16:52:38 | TheMasterMind1 | comfrey: yea.. |
| 16:52:44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: most development occurs in 2.5, then fixes get backported |
| 16:52:45 | TheMasterMind1 | comfrey: the digipower 8200 works nicely |
| 16:52:54 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i see |
| 16:52:55 | kergoth | mickeyl: feel like using gdb to get a backtrace? :-) |
| 16:53:30 | comfrey | TheMasterMind1: i think the digipower 8200 may have fryed my wireles network card |
| 16:53:42 | TheMasterMind1 | comfrey: ick.. that's not good |
| 16:53:47 | TheMasterMind1 | what card? |
| 16:54:03 | comfrey | netgear ma71 |
| 16:54:19 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 16:54:25 | TheMasterMind1 | why do you think it fried? |
| 16:54:34 | bbeattie | Anyone know if Opera can read zipped html files, or ziped tarballs of html files? or if there is any wrapper that can be put in place to do so on demand? |
| 16:54:41 | comfrey | the 8200 is 6v i hear that Z expects a clean 5v |
| 16:54:54 | Onyx4|work | ohh... |
| 16:54:57 | comfrey | funny smell and it hasnt worked since |
| 16:55:02 | TheMasterMind1 | comfrey: ouch |
| 16:55:30 | comfrey | 'tis still under 30 day store return period |
| 16:56:02 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:56:08 | TheMasterMind1 | the digipower or the network card? |
| 16:56:10 | comfrey | TheMasterMind1: how long have you been using dp 8200? |
| 16:56:10 | TheMasterMind1 | ;) |
| 16:56:19 | TheMasterMind1 | comfrey: i haven't.. i just heard that it works |
| 16:56:21 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't even have a zaurus yet |
| 16:56:25 | warmi | msg George- yeah .. I will |
| 16:57:08 | tux_mike | warmi: mind your / :) |
| 16:57:16 | George- | haha |
| 16:57:29 | comfrey | hmm... it does power the z, but dont know all of the power details. interested in finding out more and to know what others are using |
| 16:57:50 | TheMasterMind1 | comfrey: i read about one on the developer2developer bbs |
| 16:58:12 | warmi | tux_mike: what was your question you wanted to ask ? |
| 16:58:20 | comfrey | i will fiddle to be sure that the network card is really dead |
| 16:58:54 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.trowcom.co.uk/questbattery.htm |
| 16:58:59 | comfrey | TheMasterMind1: by chance do you have specific url? |
| 16:59:00 | mickeyl | kergoth: sure - however i doubt that they have included debugging symbols |
| 16:59:11 | comfrey | oh, good |
| 16:59:47 | tux_mike | warmi: ok, when i animate 2 game peices swapping positions, should I create a new QPixmap for the background behind them, or should I clip the main backround QPixmap to fit for every cycle of the animation? |
| 17:00:43 | warmi | clip the background |
| 17:01:02 | tux_mike | so, the performance hit from clipping will be negligable? |
| 17:01:05 | warmi | basically, you should ahve two pixmaps .. one containing empty background and another which is your backbuffer |
| 17:01:15 | tux_mike | yah |
| 17:01:17 | tux_mike | that i have |
| 17:01:24 | Harlekin | kergoth: ping, are you still on retail rom? |
| 17:01:38 | warmi | if you clip on the backbuffer then it will redraw only the part that will be affected by the animation |
| 17:02:06 | Neo|Work | morning |
| 17:02:07 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 64:06:46) |
| 17:02:12 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 17:02:17 | warmi | hi Neo|Work |
| 17:02:21 | MarkNovak | hi NeoTron |
| 17:02:50 | warmi | tux_mike: just crate bounding QRect for your animation area |
| 17:03:01 | warmi | and restore the background only in that area |
| 17:03:16 | | George-: huh? |
| 17:03:16 | George- | ibot valgrind |
| 17:03:20 | George- | stupid damn bot |
| 17:03:30 | tux_mike | i was going to do that with fixed coords, is using a QRect better in any way? |
| 17:03:34 | | tux_mike was last seen on #zaurus 4 seconds ago, saying: i was going to do that with fixed coords, is using a QRect better in any way? [Mon Aug 19 18:03:30 2002] |
| 17:03:34 | MarkNovak | ibot: seen tux_mike? |
| 17:03:46 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 17:04:12 | MarkNovak | www.marknovak.com/images/zaurus5.gif |
| 17:04:13 | tux_mike | baka da yo. |
| 17:04:20 | warmi | tux_mike: it doesn't matter - QRect is only for your convinience |
| 17:04:25 | tux_mike | ok |
| 17:04:47 | tux_mike | i'm more comfortable with using x and y ints for coords :) |
| 17:04:50 | MarkNovak | if you look in the top right of that image youll see what I do in my free time |
| 17:05:04 | tux_mike | i don't think we want to see that |
| 17:05:17 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 17:05:32 | MarkNovak | was machst du in deiner freizeit? |
| 17:05:35 | | OK, Neo|Work. |
| 17:05:35 | Neo|Work | ibot valgrind is http://developer.kde.org/~sewardj/ |
| 17:05:51 | warmi | MarkNovak: is that picture from LinuxWorld ? |
| 17:05:55 | | valgrind is probably http://developer.kde.org/~sewardj/ |
| 17:05:55 | MarkNovak | ibot: valgrind? |
| 17:06:11 | | okay, Neo|Work. |
| 17:06:11 | Neo|Work | ibot valgrind is also first hit in Google when searching for 'valgrind'. |
| 17:06:17 | tux_mike | neo: you're not gonna have to to the bejeweled clone :) i'm starting to get this graffics stuff :) |
| 17:06:19 | | ...but marknovak is a 12 year old retard.... |
| 17:06:19 | MarkNovak | ibot MarkNovak is http://www.marknovak.com/images/zaurus5.gif |
| 17:06:24 | MarkNovak | damn |
| 17:06:36 | MarkNovak | who put that? |
| 17:06:36 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 17:06:37 | TheMasterMind1 | lo |
| 17:06:38 | TheMasterMind1 | l |
| 17:06:40 | fusion94 | lmao |
| 17:06:40 | | well, MarkNovak is a 12 year old retard. |
| 17:06:40 | MarkNovak | ibot: MarkNovak |
| 17:06:50 | | tux_mike: I forgot marknovak |
| 17:06:50 | tux_mike | ibot forget marknovak |
| 17:06:50 | MarkNovak | how do I erase it? |
| 17:06:53 | tux_mike | there you go |
| 17:06:53 | MarkNovak | thanks |
| 17:06:58 | Neo|Work | MarkNovak: why do you have a box of zaurii? |
| 17:07:00 | | MarkNovak: i'm not following you... |
| 17:07:00 | MarkNovak | ibot: MarkNovak |
| 17:07:04 | | OK, MarkNovak. |
| 17:07:04 | MarkNovak | ibot MarkNovak is http://www.marknovak.com/images/zaurus5.gif |
| 17:07:10 | | no worries MarkNovak |
| 17:07:10 | MarkNovak | ibot: thanks |
| 17:07:20 | MarkNovak | I collect them |
| 17:07:23 | George- | MarkNovak: hah, you're 12 |
| 17:07:32 | MarkNovak | no |
| 17:07:33 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkNovak: lol, nice stack of Zs |
| 17:07:36 | MarkNovak | I dont know who put that |
| 17:07:39 | MarkNovak | thanks TheMasterMind1 |
| 17:07:39 | tux_mike | ah. vanilla coke is good |
| 17:07:43 | Neo|Work | cheap hobby |
| 17:07:47 | TheMasterMind1 | droools |
| 17:08:16 | MarkNovak | you can have a few |
| 17:08:22 | TheMasterMind1 | i just want one |
| 17:08:39 | MarkNovak | even if it had no cradle? |
| 17:08:41 | MarkNovak | or software? |
| 17:08:52 | tux_mike | why do you have so many? |
| 17:08:54 | Neo|Work | I'd love one for my development of course |
| 17:08:59 | Neo|Work | (eongames.com) |
| 17:09:02 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkNovak: hmm, ok |
| 17:09:03 | tux_mike | do you work for a distributor? |
| 17:09:06 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkNovak: that's fine |
| 17:09:08 | MarkNovak | Neo|Work |
| 17:09:10 | MarkNovak | you do eon games? |
| 17:09:14 | MarkNovak | can I have strategic assault? |
| 17:09:15 | Neo|Work | I am Eon Games yes |
| 17:09:19 | MarkNovak | I love that game |
| 17:09:20 | chouimat|eat | George-: found your bug? |
| 17:09:25 | George- | chouimat|eat: yes |
| 17:09:30 | George- | chouimat|eat: wardy found it for me, that guy rocks |
| 17:09:36 | Neo|Work | wonders if MarkNovak is for real. |
| 17:09:39 | George- | chouimat|eat: and warmi did a lot too :) |
| 17:09:48 | MarkNovak | I love that game truely |
| 17:09:52 | MarkNovak | its just like 'red alert' |
| 17:10:05 | chouimat|eat | George-: ok I will ask wardy to write my protocol component then :) (just kidding) |
| 17:10:20 | Neo|Work | Well, I can believe that. Just find it odd that someone would collect and offer to give away Zaurii. :-P |
| 17:10:26 | George- | chouimat|eat: hehe |
| 17:10:48 | MarkNovak | no I cant really give them away |
| 17:10:51 | MarkNovak | only to people around here |
| 17:10:55 | MarkNovak | and as a promotion |
| 17:11:00 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm around there |
| 17:11:03 | MarkNovak | yes but |
| 17:11:05 | MarkNovak | I dont know you |
| 17:11:05 | TheMasterMind1 | or here |
| 17:11:07 | TheMasterMind1 | sure you do |
| 17:11:13 | George- | MarkNovak: haha |
| 17:11:14 | TheMasterMind1 | i am me |
| 17:11:17 | George- | MarkNovak: give one to me! :) |
| 17:11:17 | TheMasterMind1 | hello |
| 17:11:27 | MarkNovak | no way george, you set that 12 year old thing for ibot |
| 17:11:31 | George- | Ididn't... |
| 17:11:34 | MarkNovak | sure you did |
| 17:11:37 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 17:11:38 | George- | I *promise* that wasn't me |
| 17:11:39 | warmi | yeah .. let's all shame George .. he dared to use "delete" on stack created object !! |
| 17:11:41 | warmi | lol |
| 17:11:45 | Neo|Work | Well, I can tell you want I would use it for: Running Open Zaurus + OPIE for testign or what not |
| 17:11:45 | George- | warmi: ASS! :) |
| 17:11:55 | MarkNovak | oh |
| 17:12:01 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:12:03 | MarkNovak | I dont know how to put OZ or OPIE on it |
| 17:12:10 | MarkNovak | i just use regular OS |
| 17:12:11 | George- | MarkNovak: If you want, I can give you a URL to a pic of me, and you can have a good laugh :) |
| 17:12:13 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkNovak: i'm working on the new kernel for the Z with kergoth and i could use one |
| 17:12:17 | MarkNovak | sure george |
| 17:12:27 | Neo|Work | MarkNovak: just reflash it like any other rom update |
| 17:12:41 | MarkNovak | which should I get? Opie or OZ? |
| 17:12:42 | George- | MarkNovak: hang on |
| 17:13:34 | Neo|Work | MarkNovak: OZ uses OPIE - OZ is the OS, and could in theory just run Qtopia as well |
| 17:13:57 | MarkNovak | if I get one do I need the other? |
| 17:14:05 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 17:14:08 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkNovak: yes |
| 17:14:28 | TheMasterMind1 | MarkNovak: gimme a zaurus! |
| 17:15:09 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 17:15:12 | MarkNovak | bye |
| 17:17:14 | George- | mickeyl: see you |
| 17:17:21 | | killefiz was last seen on #zaurus 21 hours, 36 minutes and 12 seconds ago, saying: imm: no - ask warmi - i've never coded anything but hello world for the z [Sun Aug 18 20:41:09 2002] |
| 17:17:21 | benmeyer | ibot seen killefiz |
| 17:17:31 | killefiz_ | benmeyer: what can I do for you? |
| 17:17:51 | benmeyer | hey there |
| 17:18:04 | JasonNJ | interesting |
| 17:18:14 | JasonNJ | Palm is releasing 3 new strongarm PDA's in the fall |
| 17:18:16 | killefiz | benmeyer: seems that you're back - someone has submitted 7 new apps and lots of changes to zsi |
| 17:18:16 | fusion94 | morning benmeyer |
| 17:18:20 | benmeyer | was curius if we could expand zsi to have it automaticly make feeds |
| 17:18:25 | benmeyer | hahah |
| 17:18:28 | benmeyer | yah that is me |
| 17:18:29 | George- | JasonNJ: StrongARM? |
| 17:18:32 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: isn;t the 700 seires already strongarm ? |
| 17:18:34 | George- | JasonNJ: not the TI one? |
| 17:18:37 | anselor | palm makes strongarm pda's? |
| 17:18:43 | JasonNJ | release date Nov 15 |
| 17:18:46 | benmeyer | they will next month |
| 17:18:59 | anselor | ... palmos still? |
| 17:19:06 | MarkNovak | strongarm? |
| 17:19:24 | JasonNJ | actually ARM |
| 17:19:28 | JasonNJ | not strongarm |
| 17:19:31 | JasonNJ | OMAP 175mhz |
| 17:19:34 | fusion94 | MarkNovak: its a processor |
| 17:19:47 | JasonNJ | they may use xScale in their high end model |
| 17:19:49 | JasonNJ | not sure yet |
| 17:20:39 | George- | bbiab - dinner |
| 17:21:12 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: so in future opie can run on palms too .-) |
| 17:21:25 | JasonNJ | harlekin: they only have 8mb of ROM apparently |
| 17:21:31 | JasonNJ | gonna require some trimming down of the libs |
| 17:21:38 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 17:21:39 | JasonNJ | not sure what sony is going to do |
| 17:21:40 | Harlekin | 8 mb is ok |
| 17:21:45 | Harlekin | for opie with pim apps |
| 17:21:47 | anselor | how much ram? |
| 17:21:53 | JasonNJ | 32 |
| 17:22:01 | Harlekin | thats ok |
| 17:22:02 | JasonNJ | thats the specs on the Oslo |
| 17:22:09 | JasonNJ | dont know what the other 2 have yet |
| 17:23:30 | Neo|Work | thing is, PalmOS 5 probably will hve no problem with fitting in 8 MB |
| 17:23:46 | Neo|Work | say what you want about palm - they seem to make a pretty good OS |
| 17:24:13 | MarkNovak | and everyone develops for it |
| 17:25:02 | Neo|Work | for PalmOS < 5 at least. It remains to be seen if the new ARM based devices will succeed |
| 17:25:24 | Neo|Work | for a while at least it will be a platform in similar shoes to the Zaurus |
| 17:25:53 | Neo|Work | but if it runs PalmOS < 5 apps fine it will have an easier time to sell I guess |
| 17:27:39 | warmi | if it does run legacy apps then XScale won't be an issue at all |
| 17:27:49 | warmi | it will be just like introducing another Palm model |
| 17:28:00 | TheMasterMind1 | i thought the XScale was arm complaint? |
| 17:28:11 | JasonNJ | themaster: it is |
| 17:28:24 | warmi | TheMasterMind1: yeah .. the problem is that Palm models never used ARM in the first place |
| 17:28:34 | JasonNJ | but compliant and optimization are two ttally differnt things |
| 17:28:37 | TheMasterMind1 | warmi: yea |
| 17:29:13 | warmi | JasonNJ: I have heard rumors that 5600 or whatever comes next will NOT be binary compatible with the currnet model |
| 17:29:28 | warmi | is that correct ? |
| 17:29:52 | jaytee | anyone using the new qtopia desktop |
| 17:30:11 | MarkNovak | new qtopiadesktop? |
| 17:30:37 | jaytee | 1.6 beta of such |
| 17:31:46 | JasonNJ | mark: whatcha doin with all those Zauruses? |
| 17:31:54 | jaytee | but it puts the binary and libs in /opt/Qtopia |
| 17:32:03 | JasonNJ | warmi: not true |
| 17:32:18 | jaytee | which is not where the original qtopiadesktop from the cd went |
| 17:32:20 | JasonNJ | warmi: in fact, we havent even determined the software stack yet, to be perfectly honest |
| 17:32:39 | JasonNJ | right now we dont even have a prototype working yet |
| 17:32:43 | JasonNJ | just alpha boards |
| 17:32:59 | warmi | well, I heard that if Sharp were to go with Qte 3.x + gcc 3.x it would be very hard to keep binary compatibility |
| 17:33:03 | warmi | ah ok |
| 17:33:05 | JasonNJ | thats going to change quickly, however |
| 17:33:23 | MarkNovak | I think im going to make a Zaurus page |
| 17:33:42 | warmi | JasonNJ: thanks for the update |
| 17:35:07 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: what will change quickly? |
| 17:35:57 | Neo|Work | MarkNovak: yes, a page might be good. :-P |
| 17:37:11 | MarkNovak | a flash page |
| 17:37:30 | Neo|Work | eek. :P |
| 17:37:51 | MarkNovak | Flash is great |
| 17:37:54 | MarkNovak | www.marknovak.com |
| 17:38:00 | MarkNovak | thats just a layout mostly |
| 17:38:27 | erikd | flash!@#$ |
| 17:38:28 | erikd | ewww |
| 17:38:32 | erikd | kills flash |
| 17:38:35 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 17:38:40 | fusion94 | flash sucks |
| 17:38:46 | TheMasterMind1 | damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnit |
| 17:38:56 | erikd | almost as bad as gtk... |
| 17:38:58 | erikd | runs |
| 17:39:06 | erikd | ;) |
| 17:39:06 | Neo|Work | www.marknovak.com is has a "download plugin" button in the middle. :P |
| 17:39:19 | Neo|Work | now that's because with my mozilla 1.1 the plugins aren't in the right place, but... :) |
| 17:39:28 | erikd | yeah, for me too |
| 17:39:31 | erikd | what's with that? |
| 17:39:32 | TheMasterMind1 | apt-get install flashplugin |
| 17:39:38 | MarkNovak | it says that? |
| 17:39:44 | MarkNovak | you need player version 6 |
| 17:39:48 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 17:39:53 | TheMasterMind1 | linux doesn't have flash 6 |
| 17:39:58 | MarkNovak | oohhh |
| 17:39:59 | TheMasterMind1 | only 5 |
| 17:39:59 | MarkNovak | you linux users |
| 17:40:01 | MarkNovak | get opera? |
| 17:40:03 | | fusion94: i haven't a clue |
| 17:40:03 | fusion94 | ibot: macromedia ? |
| 17:40:14 | erikd | mark: it's not a browser thing |
| 17:40:15 | | OK, MarkNovak. |
| 17:40:15 | MarkNovak | ibot macromedia is www.macromedia.com |
| 17:40:19 | erikd | it's a macromedia thing |
| 17:40:29 | MarkNovak | yes but, I believe opera on linux comes with the player 6 |
| 17:40:43 | erikd | how could it if macromedia doesn't have one? |
| 17:40:50 | MarkNovak | what? |
| 17:41:00 | | somebody said macromedia flash was a piece of shit and anyone that uses it should be castrated... |
| 17:41:00 | fusion94 | ibot macromedia flash ? |
| 17:41:01 | MarkNovak | oh.. no flash player for linux? |
| 17:41:05 | MarkNovak | lol |
| 17:41:15 | erikd | only flash 5 |
| 17:41:19 | MarkNovak | I never knew linux users hated everything easy |
| 17:41:20 | TheMasterMind1 | only flash 5 |
| 17:41:52 | fusion94 | MarkNovak: well since i primarily use WinXP and OSX i'm not sure i can be classified as "linux user" |
| 17:42:11 | MarkNovak | oh definately not |
| 17:42:29 | MarkNovak | how can I get sound on my gameboy rom? |
| 17:43:31 | numatrix | MarkNovak: none of the emulators do that currently that I know of. |
| 17:43:49 | erikd | mark: qt is easy and linux users don't hate it :) |
| 17:44:14 | numatrix | MarkNovak: you've been asking about flash since you got in this channel; why would the answer be different today? |
| 17:44:30 | tux_mike | erikd: well, Free SW Zealots hate Qt |
| 17:44:30 | MarkNovak | I didnt ask if it was supported |
| 17:44:32 | MarkNovak | for Z |
| 17:44:40 | MarkNovak | I ask a different question about it every day there buddy |
| 17:44:50 | erikd | tux: ah |
| 17:44:53 | erikd | well, i love qt :) |
| 17:45:04 | tux_mike | loves Qt too |
| 17:45:55 | MarkNovak | numatrix, go work on your gameboy emulator eh? |
| 17:45:58 | tux_mike | warmip: ping |
| 17:46:02 | tux_mike | warmi: ping |
| 17:46:51 | numatrix | MarkNovak: no, I'm gone; no more working on it, I was just about to release it, but it's pretty much identical to the work warmi already did. :-) Except it uses a different backend instead of sticking with gnuboy. |
| 17:47:18 | numatrix | btw; warmi, did you do the asm routines for arm? Mark said that's probably what you had done. Good work, either way. |
| 17:49:39 | George- | back |
| 17:53:27 | warmi | tux_mike: what's up ? |
| 17:54:32 | tux_mike | warmi: either i answered my own question, or friggin forgot :) |
| 17:54:53 | tux_mike | oh, i remember now |
| 17:55:25 | tux_mike | does it take a performance hit to switch the QPaintDevice (using begin and end) during an animation? |
| 17:55:39 | TheMasterMind1 | humps a Z |
| 17:55:53 | TheMasterMind1 | an imaginary Z which is actually a hot chick |
| 17:56:09 | treke|ho1e | get a fricken room |
| 17:56:17 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 17:56:49 | warmi | tux_mike: I don't think so .. not much .. when you can qpainter::begin() it will basically initialize bunch of internal variables based on what kind of widget your are initializing it with |
| 17:56:57 | warmi | I wouldn't worry about that |
| 17:57:06 | tux_mike | didn't think so. |
| 17:57:15 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: ping |
| 17:57:37 | tux_mike | plus i'm only painting to screen what needs to be updated. i'm prolly gonna have to add a timer to make the animation visible :) |
| 17:58:18 | warmi | yeah .. all that begin() stuff is basically noise compared to time spent in drawPixmap() etc .. |
| 17:58:59 | tux_mike | and you said it takes 6ms for a drawPixmap to the whole screen, so what would a 28x56 box take... :) |
| 17:59:19 | warmi | not much |
| 17:59:23 | TheMasterMind1 | dammit |
| 17:59:26 | TheMasterMind1 | its 3pm already |
| 17:59:33 | TheMasterMind1 | what kind of bullshit service is this |
| 18:00:37 | comfrey | does anyone know of an icecast client ported to the Z? |
| 18:00:44 | George- | TheMasterMind1: lol |
| 18:00:48 | TheMasterMind1 | those macromedia people are whores though.. haven't written flash6 plugin for linux yet |
| 18:01:05 | Harlekin | comfrey: yeah |
| 18:01:30 | comfrey | cool i suppose i can get it off of the Z feed |
| 18:01:36 | Harlekin | no idea |
| 18:01:40 | Harlekin | most are payware |
| 18:02:16 | comfrey | dont see it however |
| 18:02:16 | cutm | . |
| 18:02:25 | Harlekin | comfrey: zradio |
| 18:02:30 | Harlekin | comfrey: for example |
| 18:02:38 | Harlekin | comfrey: some $ |
| 18:03:20 | comfrey | when i say client i mean something i can stream audio from the z and have it stream to the internet from an icecast server |
| 18:03:42 | BigBoss | comfrey: you're never gonna get enough horsepower for that to work effectively |
| 18:03:50 | TheMasterMind1 | comfrey: that's called a server, not a client |
| 18:04:01 | comfrey | not in the icecast setup |
| 18:04:04 | BigBoss | with icecast it is confusing because there are really 3 tiers |
| 18:04:05 | numatrix | BigBoss: I doubt that, you probably could... |
| 18:04:05 | Harlekin | comfrey: thats a server |
| 18:04:14 | comfrey | there is a client that frrds the server |
| 18:04:19 | Harlekin | numatrix: mp3 realtime encoding? |
| 18:04:19 | numatrix | Harlekin: it's kinda in between. icecast has an interesting setup. |
| 18:04:26 | Harlekin | numatrix: i know |
| 18:04:34 | Harlekin | numatrix: he means the "feeder" |
| 18:04:36 | numatrix | Harlekin: Good point; I was talking about assuming it already had the mp3's. |
| 18:05:07 | numatrix | comfrey: Are you talking about plugging a microphone and wireles network card in and streaming encoded audio to a shoutcast server? |
| 18:05:12 | comfrey | well you might be able to feed wav and have the encoding on the server side |
| 18:05:29 | comfrey | shoutcast/icecast yup |
| 18:05:45 | numatrix | comfrey: The icecast setup I have doesn't allow reencoding by the server; it's all feeder side. |
| 18:05:55 | numatrix | comfrey: Unless they've made newer changes to it... |
| 18:06:04 | Onyx4|work | my zaurus backup says "cannot check space for backup" and i've got a whole 32mb empty CF weird |
| 18:06:05 | kalldrexx | ...first day of school sucks |
| 18:06:08 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: hey |
| 18:06:12 | djk | School? |
| 18:06:16 | treke|ho1e | kalldrexx: every day of school sucks |
| 18:06:16 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: hows the encoding goinf |
| 18:06:20 | Harlekin | going |
| 18:06:23 | kalldrexx | treke|ho1e: yeah |
| 18:06:28 | comfrey | hmm.. there may be some way of doing it... |
| 18:06:34 | Onyx4|work | havent been spending too much time since we last talked got busy |
| 18:06:54 | Onyx4|work | I wonder if that means it thinks there isn't enough space, or it's just something else |
| 18:06:56 | djk | kalldrexx: wait you will changing that thought when it over |
| 18:07:32 | kalldrexx | djk: I don't mind school, it's just waking up early after summer |
| 18:08:15 | djk | kalldrexx: see once school is over it is up earlier every morning no summer vacations unless you become a teacher |
| 18:08:17 | comfrey | `possibly with pipes |
| 18:08:29 | kalldrexx | djk: yeah |
| 18:08:29 | djk | kalldrexx: <grin> |
| 18:08:32 | kalldrexx | hehe |
| 18:08:46 | comfrey | but how to get the audio across the network is an issue. anyone? |
| 18:09:31 | treke|ho1e | djk: excpt then you get the satisfaction of actually accomplishing something :) |
| 18:10:03 | tux_mike | djk: and even most teachers have no breaks in summer |
| 18:12:28 | cdmZzZz | hey kergoth |
| 18:12:34 | kergoth | hey |
| 18:12:37 | kergoth | yawns |
| 18:12:43 | kergoth | hows it goin |
| 18:13:28 | tux_mike | hey kergoth |
| 18:13:41 | tux_mike | has made good progress with his first game :) |
| 18:17:03 | Onyx4|work | my zaurus backup says "cannot check space for backup" and i've got a whole 32mb empty CF weird |
| 18:17:10 | Onyx4|work | any idea? |
| 18:17:35 | Onyx4|work | my ram has 10mb left in it |
| 18:17:49 | Onyx4|work | i don't know if the ram needs to have more room to backup? |
| 18:18:38 | djk | tux_mike: true they do like to eat |
| 18:19:15 | djk | treke|Hole: that satisfaction comes at school or work? |
| 18:19:32 | tux_mike | actually, it's not that they don't get paid (most teachers get paid throughout the year based on salary) HS and College/Uni teachers have lots of stuff to do during the summer |
| 18:19:59 | tux_mike | hey ljp |
| 18:20:09 | ljp_ | hi |
| 18:20:47 | treke|ho1e | djk: work for me. I didnt find school particularly satisfying |
| 18:21:22 | bbeattie | Anyone know what max resolution or video coding setup the zaurus can handle for mpeg4 and mplayer? I havn't had any luck following thekompanies webpage for re-encoding files in mpeg4 and getting framereates above 3fps at a resolution of 240x130. |
| 18:21:24 | djk | tux_mike: I was not implying that being a teacher offers laziness or an easy life. I just remember my HS teachers picking up summer jobs like running a painting crew, etc. |
| 18:21:42 | tux_mike | bbeattie: try the mailing list |
| 18:21:59 | bbeattie | tux_mike: which mailing list? mplayers? |
| 18:22:48 | djk | treke|hole: I guess sometimes it seems like more was accomplished at school than the frustrations politics at work ;-) |
| 18:22:56 | tux_mike | bbeattie: i thought you meant you were using the tkc app for playing video. i don't know anything about mplayer |
| 18:23:46 | BigBoss | bbeattie: what is wrong with the instructions for tkcVideo? |
| 18:24:10 | treke|ho1e | djk: we dont have that problem too much around here. Thankfully |
| 18:24:22 | fusion94 | BigBoss: those .dmg's work for you ? |
| 18:25:52 | djk | Anybody know where I can find a version of file manager that is more like explorer? I had one a while ago that replaced the Sharp one nicely but lost it. |
| 18:26:01 | | whardier is can't control his aggressions, He picked on others 22 times. |
| 18:26:01 | warmi | ibot whardier |
| 18:26:07 | | whardier was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 23 hours, 30 minutes and 24 seconds ago, saying: thank GOD! [Sat Aug 17 19:55:43 2002] |
| 18:26:07 | warmi | ibot seen whardier |
| 18:26:28 | djk | treke|ho1e: are you at a large company? |
| 18:26:45 | treke|ho1e | djk: nah. Fairly small school |
| 18:26:57 | treke|ho1e | djk: I dont have to deal much with the large company that owns us :) |
| 18:27:14 | djk | treke|ho1e: a school? |
| 18:27:48 | treke|ho1e | djk: yes. A Photography/Filmaking school |
| 18:28:27 | bbeattie | BigBoss: I can't get descent mpeg4 fps on the Z using the re-encoding at a new resolution, as per |
| 18:28:41 | treke|ho1e | VerxWork: hah. Someone on the zaurus-general list wants a way disable the doc tab also |
| 18:28:50 | VerxWork | treke|ho1e: SEEE! |
| 18:28:54 | VerxWork | I am not the only one |
| 18:28:54 | VerxWork | :) |
| 18:29:00 | bbeattie | as per what thekompany has posted on their website for re-encoding video files. |
| 18:29:27 | bbeattie | I'm using mplayer, not tckvideo, but the performance between the two should be pretty close. |
| 18:29:31 | djk | treke|ho1e: Sounds like it could be a fun place to work. I always had an interest in sound engineering and radio |
| 18:29:54 | djk | Guess nobody has a clue on the file manager |
| 18:30:26 | treke|ho1e | djk: It is rather interesting |
| 18:31:11 | BigBoss | if you're not using tkcvideo then I really can't help |
| 18:31:33 | BigBoss | fusion94: I've got them on my HD, haven't had time to use them yet |
| 18:31:38 | BigBoss | never saw the dev tools go up though |
| 18:31:59 | VerxWork | Shawn, how long does tkcCalendar or tkcAddressBook take for you to launch on your Z? |
| 18:32:06 | VerxWork | (if you don't have them set to fast load) |
| 18:33:08 | TheMasterMind1 | guess who just got a zaurus!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:33:17 | VerxWork | TheMasterMindl: You just bought one? |
| 18:33:18 | Neo|Work | TheMasterMind1? |
| 18:33:24 | djk | Gee did it just arive? |
| 18:33:51 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 18:33:52 | TheMasterMind1 | RIGHT now |
| 18:33:57 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 18:34:00 | TheMasterMind1 | i thought it didn't have a speaker..? |
| 18:34:08 | djk | ups is like Santa ;-) |
| 18:34:20 | Onyx4|work | how do you perform a manual backup without the GUI? |
| 18:34:27 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: it doesnt. it does have a buzzer however |
| 18:34:27 | djk | you have a speaker? or just an alarm |
| 18:34:35 | BigBoss | VerxWork: around 5 seconds or so I guess |
| 18:34:52 | VerxWork | BigBoss: Hrm. It takes 10 to 11 seconds for me to launch them on my iPAQ |
| 18:34:56 | Neo|Work | decides to read som more about JSP |
| 18:35:11 | VerxWork | BigBoss: Do you have many appointments or phone numbers in yours? |
| 18:36:24 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i hear ticks whenever i type and click |
| 18:36:32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yes. buzzer. |
| 18:37:49 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 18:37:50 | BigBoss | VerxWork: not a whole lot at the moment |
| 18:37:54 | TheMasterMind1 | passcode |
| 18:37:56 | zecke | hi all |
| 18:38:02 | VerxWork | ok |
| 18:38:04 | BigBoss | we are redoing the whole PIM engine, so I'm not too concerned just yet |
| 18:38:08 | VerxWork | BigBoss: I understand |
| 18:38:57 | VerxWork | BigBoss: I am just concerned because Sharp is now sending me a 5000d for the Developer Challenge, and I won't have the 64MB of my 3850 anymore for fast loading your apps |
| 18:39:14 | VerxWork | BigBoss: tkcCalendar and tkcAddressBook take up over 10MB apiece |
| 18:39:25 | VerxWork | and I will only have 32MB of ram, Qtopia takes up 10MB of that |
| 18:39:26 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 18:39:28 | VerxWork | :( |
| 18:41:36 | VerxWork | http://www.joechott.com/software.php3 |
| 18:42:20 | TheMasterMind1 | this is so great |
| 18:42:21 | TheMasterMind1 | heheheh |
| 18:42:25 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i turn off the speaker |
| 18:42:28 | TheMasterMind1 | err |
| 18:42:29 | TheMasterMind1 | buzzer |
| 18:44:38 | Onyx4|work | where can I find the source of the qtopia backup program? |
| 18:44:50 | Onyx4|work | I'd like to dig down that error message see where it comes from |
| 18:48:32 | Onyx4|work | where does qtopia-desktop on linux stores it's backup files? |
| 18:49:05 | kergoth | Onyx4|work: not available |
| 18:49:18 | | benmeyer: sorry... |
| 18:49:18 | benmeyer | ibot vercell |
| 18:49:20 | | vercel is another linux pda not yet shipping. likely not shipping till Q1 next year. or located at http://www.vercel.com or at http://vercel.dsnart.com |
| 18:49:20 | benmeyer | ibot vercel |
| 18:49:35 | benmeyer | ibot help |
| 18:49:48 | JasonNJ | vercel is likely not shipping period |
| 18:51:11 | JasonNJ | the next major linux pda is the Kaii |
| 18:51:28 | tux_mike | is there a page on the stats of the Vercel or Kaii? |
| 18:51:49 | JasonNJ | tux: vercel is nearly identical to a 5500, stats wise |
| 18:52:00 | tux_mike | screen too? |
| 18:52:08 | | ...but vercel is another linux pda not yet shipping. likely not shipping till Q1 next year. or located at http://www.vercel.com or at http://vercel.dsnart.com... |
| 18:52:08 | benmeyer | ibot vercel is making a linux based pda on a 206 arm, with a QVGA 2320x240 color touch screen, 64 RAM, 16 ROM, CF, MMC, Internal 56k, 1700mAh battery, 2 USB host ports, mono speaker, mic, irda, and a full keyboard for msrp of $349 |
| 18:52:10 | JasonNJ | well, screen is landscape |
| 18:52:13 | | ...but vercel is another linux pda not yet shipping. likely not shipping till Q1 next year. or located at http://www.vercel.com or at http://vercel.dsnart.com... |
| 18:52:13 | benmeyer | ibot vercel is making a linux based pda on a 206 arm, with a QVGA 2320x240 color touch screen, 64 RAM, 16 ROM, CF, MMC, Internal 56k, 1700mAh battery, 2 USB host ports, mono speaker, mic, irda, and a full keyboard for msrp of $349 |
| 18:52:14 | tux_mike | couldn't get crap from their website |
| 18:52:14 | JasonNJ | 4096 color |
| 18:52:30 | | OK, benmeyer. |
| 18:52:30 | benmeyer | ibot learn vercel is making a linux based pda on a 206 arm, with a QVGA 2320x240 color touch screen, 64 RAM, 16 ROM, CF, MMC, Internal 56k, 1700mAh battery, 2 USB host ports, mono speaker, mic, irda, and a full keyboard for msrp of $349 |
| 18:52:43 | ljp_ | umm scren res is a bit high |
| 18:52:54 | | ...but learn vercel is making a linux based pda on a 206 arm, with a QVGA 2320x240 color touch screen, 64 RAM, 16 ROM, CF, MMC, Internal 56k, 1700mAh battery, 2 USB host ports, mono speaker, mic, irda, and a full keyboard for msrp of $349... |
| 18:52:54 | benmeyer | ibot learn vercel is making a linux based pda on a 206 arm, with a QVGA 320x240 color touch screen, 64 RAM, 16 ROM, CF, MMC, Internal 56k, 1700mAh battery, 2 USB host ports, mono speaker, mic, irda, and a full keyboard for msrp of $349 |
| 18:53:04 | | benmeyer: I forgot vercel |
| 18:53:04 | benmeyer | ibot forget vercel |
| 18:53:06 | | ...but learn vercel is making a linux based pda on a 206 arm, with a QVGA 2320x240 color touch screen, 64 RAM, 16 ROM, CF, MMC, Internal 56k, 1700mAh battery, 2 USB host ports, mono speaker, mic, irda, and a full keyboard for msrp of $349... |
| 18:53:06 | benmeyer | ibot learn vercel is making a linux based pda on a 206 arm, with a QVGA 320x240 color touch screen, 64 RAM, 16 ROM, CF, MMC, Internal 56k, 1700mAh battery, 2 USB host ports, mono speaker, mic, irda, and a full keyboard for msrp of $349 |
| 18:53:10 | benmeyer | ugg |
| 18:53:13 | benmeyer | stupid ibot |
| 18:53:16 | | tux_mike: I forgot learn vercel |
| 18:53:16 | tux_mike | ibot forget learn vercel |
| 18:53:16 | treke|ho1e | isnt it 32MB rom? |
| 18:53:31 | benmeyer | 16 ROM |
| 18:53:46 | tux_mike | ben: tell ibot "vercel is ..." |
| 18:54:10 | treke|ho1e | maybe its the kaii that was 32 |
| 18:55:37 | benmeyer | well that is what the spec sheet in front of me says |
| 18:57:52 | ljp_ | the vercel on my desk is 16 mb rom |
| 18:57:52 | Onyx4|work | so since I can't do a automated backup, if I just use "tar -cvfj tarfile.bz2 /mnt/ramfs , is that the way to do it? |
| 18:58:36 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 18:59:42 | ljp_ | hi |
| 18:59:58 | Cloudchaser | heya ljp.. did you have a nice weekend? |
| 19:00:11 | ljp_ | ya.. |
| 19:00:41 | Cloudchaser | thats good :) |
| 19:00:51 | ljp_ | besides getting recruited to dig some sprinkler tranches |
| 19:00:59 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 19:01:04 | ljp_ | trenches even |
| 19:01:20 | ljp_ | as the base of a 100+ year old maple tree |
| 19:01:22 | ljp_ | at |
| 19:01:29 | Cloudchaser | ack! |
| 19:01:37 | ljp_ | having to take an axe to root |
| 19:01:43 | ljp_ | roots |
| 19:02:02 | Cloudchaser | sounds like loads of fun |
| 19:02:05 | ljp_ | maple roots are about as fun to chop with an axe as a maple tree |
| 19:02:29 | ljp_ | but I also went bowlign |
| 19:03:36 | JasonNJ | BZFLAG: Wake up |
| 19:03:48 | kergoth | ugh |
| 19:03:49 | Cloudchaser | hiya JasonNJ |
| 19:03:56 | Cloudchaser | did you have a nice trip? |
| 19:05:44 | JasonNJ | did bzflag say he was in India this week? |
| 19:05:55 | ljp_ | ya he's there |
| 19:06:04 | JasonNJ | but he's logged in? |
| 19:06:07 | JasonNJ | from work? |
| 19:06:28 | JasonNJ | darnit. |
| 19:06:35 | ljp_ | he was logged in the other day in Singapore airport |
| 19:06:40 | JasonNJ | need to get on a conf call with him |
| 19:06:52 | JasonNJ | I guess when he gets back. |
| 19:07:06 | JasonNJ | ljp: was he flying back or flying TO india? |
| 19:07:17 | ljp_ | to |
| 19:07:25 | JasonNJ | damn |
| 19:07:32 | numatrix | VerxWork: you there? |
| 19:07:40 | VerxWork | yup, whatup? |
| 19:07:53 | ljp_ | I have his vercel while he's there |
| 19:08:02 | Cloudchaser | ljp is the vercel big? looks like it in bens pics |
| 19:08:12 | numatrix | VerxWork: it's worse though since the 32meg is split between storage and ram, you'd have a ~very~ hard time getting the tkc apps going without a memory card. |
| 19:08:22 | Shawn | yo |
| 19:08:25 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 19:08:28 | numatrix | VerxWork: you might want to consider a cheap SD card. |
| 19:08:30 | VerxWork | numatrix: That sucks |
| 19:08:45 | Shawn | how do I make my old nick go away? |
| 19:08:48 | VerxWork | I have a 64MB MMC card right now |
| 19:09:01 | killefiz | Shawn: wait |
| 19:09:03 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 19:09:13 | TheMasterMind1 | now i need this thing to sync |
| 19:10:48 | TheMasterMind1 | how do i get it to suspend/sleep ? |
| 19:10:58 | craiger | hold [Cancel] |
| 19:11:28 | icebird | heya |
| 19:11:50 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 19:11:51 | TheMasterMind1 | gotcha |
| 19:11:56 | TheMasterMind1 | that doesn't turn it off though right? |
| 19:12:32 | kergoth | that just suspends it |
| 19:12:38 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 19:12:48 | icebird | has anybody the link of a working toolchain for the Z? |
| 19:13:00 | | wiki is http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/HandheldsWiki |
| 19:13:00 | numatrix | ibot, wiki |
| 19:13:01 | TheMasterMind1 | whips out the linux sync tutorial |
| 19:13:23 | kergoth | icebird: any arm toolchain should do the job. http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/index.asp has the Embedix toolchain from lineo.. or you can grab one off of http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/.. |
| 19:14:54 | | okay, numatrix. |
| 19:14:54 | numatrix | ibot, wiki is also http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/ |
| 19:15:25 | George- | that radeon 9700 makes me want it sooo bad :) |
| 19:15:28 | ljp_ | serial connections with linux are more fun than serial connections with dos |
| 19:16:03 | VerxWork | George-: Just buy an nvidia and be done with it. :))) |
| 19:16:13 | VerxWork | George-: Any screenshots of your app yet? |
| 19:16:37 | George- | VerxWork: not yet |
| 19:16:48 | ljp_ | ohh screenshots are over rated |
| 19:16:48 | Onyx4|work | is there any trick to run ssh-agent in the bg for zaurus to not have to enter passwords in the shell |
| 19:17:02 | darienm | he has an icon !!! |
| 19:17:39 | George- | ljp_: yup |
| 19:17:45 | George- | darienm: yeh, thanks to you :) |
| 19:18:19 | darienm | VerxWork: http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/html_editor_apps.png |
| 19:18:28 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: I have libc6 working up to this point |
| 19:18:37 | [DrEvil] | + make -f /devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/configs/templates/method Name=libc6 Version=2.2.4-7a Architecture=arm Section=libs Priority=required 'Description=GNU C Library' SourceTree=/devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/glibc-2.2.4 IPKTMP_DIR=/devel/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/ipktemp/libc6 |
| 19:18:37 | [DrEvil] | /bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `;' |
| 19:18:53 | VerxWork | cool darienm |
| 19:18:53 | [DrEvil] | does that error look like it is coming from method? |
| 19:18:55 | VerxWork | took me a second |
| 19:18:59 | VerxWork | but now that I know what it is |
| 19:19:03 | VerxWork | I like it, a LOT |
| 19:19:05 | Cloudchaser | nice icon :) |
| 19:19:05 | VerxWork | :) |
| 19:19:13 | VerxWork | shawn, there ya go |
| 19:19:17 | VerxWork | change your nic |
| 19:19:38 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 19:19:38 | George- | dadada |
| 19:19:41 | TheMasterMind1 | i can ping my zaurus! |
| 19:19:49 | ljp_ | me too |
| 19:19:52 | George- | rofl |
| 19:19:54 | ljp_ | :D |
| 19:20:17 | George- | that bit in LoTR when that stupid dwarf says "And my axe" always makes me crack up =) |
| 19:20:24 | BigBoss | ah, that feels better |
| 19:20:29 | George- | BigBoss: hah |
| 19:21:47 | ljp_ | like stepping into an old show? |
| 19:21:55 | ljp_ | err shoe |
| 19:22:03 | icebird | hi robert_ |
| 19:22:07 | robert_ | hi icebird |
| 19:22:33 | robert_ | mh |
| 19:22:44 | robert_ | what is the difference between 5000 and 5500? |
| 19:22:50 | craiger | 32M |
| 19:22:53 | Cloudchaser | 32 meg |
| 19:23:03 | Cloudchaser | hehe and i think the 5500 battery is a bit better too |
| 19:23:16 | robert_ | ram or rom? |
| 19:23:19 | Cloudchaser | ram |
| 19:23:32 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm. how do i get it to use my laptop as the default gw.. |
| 19:23:41 | TheMasterMind1 | or edit inet.d to enable telnet |
| 19:23:44 | | i heard howto was at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 19:23:44 | Cloudchaser | ibot howto |
| 19:23:50 | Cloudchaser | look there |
| 19:24:05 | TheMasterMind1 | thanks |
| 19:24:14 | | i guess java is at (Link: http://www.blackdown.org)http://www.blackdown.org or at (Link: http://www.javasoft.com)http://www.javasoft.com or at (Link: http://www.savaje.com)http://www.savaje.com or at (Link: http://www.pocketlinux.com)http://www.pocketlinux.com or at (Link: http://java.sun.com)http://java.sun.com or at http://www.insignia.com |
| 19:24:14 | Sniper | ibot java |
| 19:24:28 | | no idea, tenchi |
| 19:24:28 | Tenchi | ibot: how to get fucking rom 2.38 to sync via wireless? how to get sharp to admit that wireless syncing is a necessary feature? |
| 19:24:41 | Cloudchaser | tenchi you don't |
| 19:24:46 | Cloudchaser | they disabled it |
| 19:24:52 | Tenchi | yeah they need to reenable it |
| 19:25:03 | killefiz | it's enabled in the linux version of qtopia-desktop |
| 19:25:03 | Sniper | renable it means security hole |
| 19:25:26 | George- | Sniper: pah,how? |
| 19:25:30 | icebird | wb robert |
| 19:25:33 | robert_ | re.. |
| 19:25:34 | Tenchi | they need to reenable it w/o security hole |
| 19:25:41 | Sniper | yeah.. thats the ideal situation |
| 19:25:42 | Tenchi | ala tcp wrappers or something |
| 19:25:50 | robert_ | how much ram did the 5000er have? |
| 19:25:53 | Cloudchaser | that's why i sutck with 2.37 |
| 19:25:57 | Tenchi | it's not frickin hard... did they write their own ftp server that handles the syncing or something? |
| 19:25:59 | Cloudchaser | er stuck with 2.37 |
| 19:26:07 | Wintre | Tenchi: Yes |
| 19:26:11 | Tenchi | i dont think 2.37 works with the larger SD cards from SanDisk :( |
| 19:26:11 | sjohnson | robert_: 32MB of RAM |
| 19:26:17 | Wintre | leaps in without reading the whole converation ;) |
| 19:26:20 | Cloudchaser | nope but i don't have large one |
| 19:26:28 | robert_ | i thought the 5500 has 32 mb |
| 19:26:28 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm. but how do i add a default gw etc to my Z if i don't have shell or telnet access |
| 19:26:32 | George- | Tenchi: you just copy across the new SD modules... |
| 19:26:34 | Tenchi | they need to rewrite the ftp server to use tcp wrappers :) |
| 19:26:35 | Sniper | how about 2.38 with the security fix ripped out? |
| 19:26:36 | Cloudchaser | robert it has 64mb ram |
| 19:26:40 | JasonNJ | tenchi: just copy the sharp_mmcsd driver over |
| 19:26:46 | JasonNJ | from the 2.38 rom |
| 19:26:47 | robert_ | ah ok |
| 19:26:52 | Tenchi | hmmm |
| 19:26:57 | Tenchi | what else does 2.38 have that 2.37 does not ? |
| 19:27:13 | JasonNJ | sd driver and security fix are the primary changes |
| 19:27:26 | Tenchi | actually im kinda paranoid about running the Z w/o proper security |
| 19:27:30 | George- | JasonNJ: how is disabling wireless a security fix? |
| 19:27:36 | George- | JasonNJ: i mean, wtf was wrong with it |
| 19:27:40 | Tenchi | esp cuz i use it in places where i'm sure there are little jerky scriopt kiddies |
| 19:27:47 | JasonNJ | George: the wireless is not actually disabled. |
| 19:27:53 | JasonNJ | Just the sync port is disabled. |
| 19:28:03 | JasonNJ | you can do all the other wireless stuff. |
| 19:28:16 | JasonNJ | the wireless sync was never officially supported anyways |
| 19:28:22 | George- | JasonNJ: how is disabling wireless sync a security fix? |
| 19:28:40 | Tenchi | wireless sycning is awesome though |
| 19:28:46 | JasonNJ | George: dude, we're tech support, not engineering. |
| 19:28:54 | VerxWork | guesses that JasonNJ is quite tired of answering such questions. . . |
| 19:28:56 | George- | JasonNJ: hehe |
| 19:28:57 | JasonNJ | I dont know why they did that. |
| 19:29:13 | Tenchi | they probably did it cuz they were pissed off that the Z's security problem was so highly publicized |
| 19:29:24 | George- | JasonNJ: any idea when mac stuff will be released? |
| 19:29:32 | George- | Sniper: i emailed Craig Keithley |
| 19:29:33 | icebird | does the Z use jffs or a cramfs for the rom? |
| 19:29:35 | Tenchi | "we'll fix em... we'll make it so secure they wont even be able to sync via wireless" |
| 19:29:36 | JasonNJ | yeah, we are looking about 2 weeks or so. |
| 19:29:45 | Sniper | george: did craig email u back? |
| 19:29:51 | George- | Sniper: and I got a reply for an experimental driver for CDCEther |
| 19:29:59 | VerxWork | icebird: I believe the Sharp roms use cramfs, while the OZ roms use jffs2 |
| 19:30:07 | George- | Sniper: and it apparently only works with class complaint devices, and the Z isn't class compliant |
| 19:30:19 | Sniper | the driver needs to be 'tweaked' |
| 19:30:22 | icebird | OZ==OpenZaurus ? |
| 19:30:23 | George- | Sniper: I can get hold of it, but I don't see any point, as CDCEther is old, isn't it? |
| 19:30:32 | George- | usbdnet is the new way isn't it? |
| 19:30:44 | tux_mike | warmi: ping |
| 19:30:59 | George- | Sniper: define "tweaked" :) |
| 19:33:02 | mdz | icebird: yes |
| 19:33:55 | Sniper | tweaked means everything you sent me in that email |
| 19:33:59 | VerxWork | icebird: Yes, sorry, was away from my desk for a bit there |
| 19:34:10 | icebird | np ;) |
| 19:34:25 | TheMasterMind1 | sits here confused |
| 19:34:35 | warmi | tux_mike: aha ? |
| 19:34:47 | George- | STOP SPAMMING ME LILO |
| 19:35:03 | Xenith | You know, there *is* this thing called /ignore ;-) |
| 19:35:09 | warmi | George-: lilo is just trying to come up with gis grocery money |
| 19:35:13 | warmi | gis -> his |
| 19:35:15 | George- | warmi: haha |
| 19:35:40 | warmi | George-: I am not kidding |
| 19:35:45 | | ljp_: excuse me? |
| 19:35:45 | ljp_ | ibot: shoot me |
| 19:35:46 | warmi | he really is |
| 19:35:56 | George- | warmi: ? |
| 19:36:05 | George- | warmi: He's trying to make a living out of running OPN? |
| 19:36:07 | Cloudchaser | he wants to earn his living hosting |
| 19:36:08 | Cloudchaser | right |
| 19:36:13 | Cloudchaser | exactly |
| 19:36:21 | George- | WTF? |
| 19:36:27 | George- | OPN is going commercial |
| 19:36:29 | JasonNJ | we should run our own irc server |
| 19:36:33 | JasonNJ | zaurusNET |
| 19:36:35 | Cloudchaser | nods |
| 19:36:35 | George- | JasonNJ: haha |
| 19:36:39 | George- | JasonNJ: OFTC |
| 19:36:46 | ljp_ | I'm a good host.. I serve puch and wine and briskettes |
| 19:36:54 | Cloudchaser | haha |
| 19:37:01 | George- | ljp_: LIES! |
| 19:37:05 | JasonNJ | dont laugh, I may have fusion94 put up an IRC |
| 19:37:17 | ljp_ | ok rum and rum and crunchy things |
| 19:37:20 | George- | -FUNDRAISING- [Global Notice] Hi all. Welcome back, Linuxworld attendees! As you may be aware, OPN has changed its name. We're now freenode (http://freenode.info/faq.shtml#namechange). Have a great evening! :) |
| 19:37:21 | George- | hrmm |
| 19:37:26 | George- | JasonNJ: There's always OFTC |
| 19:37:29 | warmi | George-: that's what I read |
| 19:37:36 | George- | warmi: da |
| 19:37:38 | warmi | he is basically living off donations |
| 19:37:38 | JasonNJ | dalnet and undernet |
| 19:37:44 | George- | warmi: he sucks |
| 19:37:46 | George- | warmi: hehe |
| 19:37:48 | George- | JasonNJ: ? |
| 19:38:11 | George- | haha.. irc.lilofree.net |
| 19:38:41 | George- | yo |
| 19:38:48 | George- | treke's on #Zaurus on OFTC :) |
| 19:38:53 | George- | lol |
| 19:39:21 | tux_mike | lilo should be shot. |
| 19:39:35 | George- | tux_mike: you should be shot |
| 19:39:36 | George- | *g* |
| 19:39:39 | George- | BANG |
| 19:39:51 | tux_mike | yes, but that's a whole different story |
| 19:40:01 | George- | lol |
| 19:40:10 | George- | everyone migrate to OFTC! |
| 19:40:17 | JasonNJ | whips out a kalashnikov and sweeps the entire channel |
| 19:40:31 | JasonNJ | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! |
| 19:40:37 | George- | lol |
| 19:40:40 | George- | I'm serious |
| 19:40:40 | George- | ;) |
| 19:40:48 | tux_mike | OFTC? |
| 19:40:55 | JasonNJ | what is oftc? |
| 19:40:56 | George- | Open Free Technology Community |
| 19:41:00 | George- | it's like OPN |
| 19:41:03 | George- | irc.oftc.net |
| 19:41:09 | JasonNJ | sounds like a bunch of hippies. |
| 19:41:14 | George- | lol |
| 19:41:28 | George- | they're apparently getting a sourceforge-type branch going at the moment |
| 19:41:45 | JasonNJ | like a commune full of c++ programmers that wear hemp clothing |
| 19:41:46 | George- | looks like a viable alternative to OPN/SF when done |
| 19:41:54 | Cloudchaser | george: i've got 80% app cpu usage going on right now and only sysinfo running |
| 19:41:54 | George- | JasonNJ: just like OPN :) |
| 19:42:03 | tux_mike | hemp clothing. *shudder* |
| 19:42:03 | George- | Cloudchaser: strange, go scream at kergoth :) |
| 19:42:19 | Cloudchaser | when i turned on my z package manager was open |
| 19:42:23 | George- | is .info free? :P |
| 19:42:25 | Cloudchaser | although i closed it yesterday |
| 19:42:40 | fusion94 | George-: SF has nothing to do with opn |
| 19:42:40 | Cloudchaser | and used it earlier today to get phone numberes and it wasn't open then |
| 19:42:44 | Cloudchaser | its very odd |
| 19:43:20 | darienm | Cloudchaser: Could you have bumped the center of the d-pad? |
| 19:43:21 | ljp_ | is a c++ programmer hippy that wears hemp clothing ;) |
| 19:43:23 | George- | fusion94: I never said it was |
| 19:43:41 | George- | fusion94: but most projects use SF for hosting/maintainance, and OPN for real-time support etc |
| 19:43:47 | Cloudchaser | darienm maybe i did, what does that do? |
| 19:43:55 | Cloudchaser | i think i hit it to open a contact earlier |
| 19:43:56 | fusion94 | George-: and settng up a sf-type branch isn't trivial |
| 19:43:58 | darienm | Cloudchaser: launches the currently 'selected' application |
| 19:44:04 | George- | fusion94: I know |
| 19:44:13 | TheMasterMind1 | gah! where do i upload an ipkg so i can install it? |
| 19:44:18 | George- | http://www.oftc.net |
| 19:44:22 | Cloudchaser | i was in address book at the time |
| 19:44:30 | fusion94 | thinks the oftc ppl are crackheads |
| 19:45:06 | Cloudchaser | darienm maybe that is what happend but i did close the open app and cpu usage still at 80% |
| 19:45:29 | Cloudchaser | i'll have to reboot to free it up |
| 19:45:30 | BigBoss | TheMasterMind1: I'm pretty sure if you jam the ipkg as far up your ass as possible, it will install itself onto the zaurus |
| 19:45:31 | George- | fusion94: lol, not as bad as lilo :) |
| 19:45:33 | BigBoss | :) |
| 19:46:06 | George- | BigBoss: your tech support has been rated 5/5 by George Wright Retarded Ratings |
| 19:46:13 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 19:46:53 | BigBoss | well thanks George- |
| 19:46:57 | fusion94 | George-: they are all the same imo |
| 19:47:24 | George- | fusion94: |
| 19:47:25 | George- | ? |
| 19:49:13 | JasonNJ | Big: can I quote you on that in our next developer newsletter? |
| 19:49:26 | vforge37 | hello all |
| 19:49:34 | cdm | hey JasonNJ |
| 19:49:43 | Cloudchaser | hiya vforge37 |
| 19:49:47 | vforge37 | heya |
| 19:49:49 | JasonNJ | "Installing Packages Up Your Ass: dealing with the Qtopia Package Manager by Shawn Gordon" |
| 19:50:14 | JasonNJ | cdm: how goes the QNX? |
| 19:50:28 | JasonNJ | got anything for us to play with yet? |
| 19:51:01 | BigBoss | JasonNJ: please do, I'm always happy to share my great wealth of knowledge with the less fortunate |
| 19:51:03 | George- | cdm: you're porting QNX? |
| 19:51:05 | vforge37 | could someone tell me if it's possible/how to make gnuboy's screensize larger on the zaurus? |
| 19:51:07 | George- | BigBoss: LOL |
| 19:51:22 | Sniper | cdm: hi |
| 19:51:26 | | well, Sniper is a Sharp marketing slave or will be at LinuxWorld |
| 19:51:26 | Harlekin | ibot: Sniper |
| 19:51:28 | JasonNJ | vforge: magnifying glass? |
| 19:51:34 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 19:51:35 | Kinetix | George- is a butthead |
| 19:51:36 | George- | Harlekin: you rude rude man :) |
| 19:51:41 | Harlekin | maybe i should remove that scriptt |
| 19:51:44 | George- | Kinetix: WTF? |
| 19:51:48 | vforge37 | hehe, yeah that's what I'm gonna have to resort to :) |
| 19:51:54 | George- | ;) |
| 19:51:57 | Kinetix | George-: Shut up, butthead. |
| 19:52:04 | George- | Kinetix: da da da |
| 19:52:15 | erikd | do be do |
| 19:52:19 | George- | hey guys, who's Kinetix :) |
| 19:52:21 | JasonNJ | I feel the love |
| 19:52:36 | erikd | hugs #zaurus |
| 19:52:37 | icebird | sharp uses qtopia, OZ uses ?? |
| 19:52:44 | JasonNJ | qtopia |
| 19:52:46 | mickeyl | icebird: opie - what else? |
| 19:52:56 | George- | hrmm |
| 19:52:56 | JasonNJ | or rather OPIE, which is qtopia on steroids |
| 19:52:58 | George- | erikd: hehe |
| 19:53:00 | Harlekin | icebird: opie |
| 19:53:04 | George- | Opie rox |
| 19:53:08 | erikd | george scared 'em off =/ |
| 19:53:10 | George- | Opie ownnnzzzzzz qtopia |
| 19:53:10 | icebird | opie is open? |
| 19:53:12 | erikd | or maybe i did |
| 19:53:15 | killefiz | I need your opinion. I was arguing with benmeyer if it makes sense to have more "icons" in from of the application in the zsi-applist (there is now only a screenshot icon). We were talking about a source button, a ipk button and a homepage button - what do you all think? |
| 19:53:17 | George- | erikd: lol |
| 19:53:32 | | Offers copying, mastering and manipulation of CD tracks. URL: http://cdm.squidge.nu |
| 19:53:32 | Sniper | ibot cdm |
| 19:53:43 | George- | Sniper: haha |
| 19:54:11 | erikd | codes more |
| 19:54:13 | erikd | only 4 days left =/ |
| 19:54:31 | | sniper is a Sharp marketing slave |
| 19:54:31 | George- | ibot sniper |
| 19:54:46 | | sniper is probably a Sharp marketing slave |
| 19:54:46 | George- | ibot sniper |
| 19:54:48 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 17 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: he is basically living off donations [Mon Aug 19 20:37:38 2002] |
| 19:54:48 | numatrix | ibot seen warmi |
| 19:54:50 | George- | haha |
| 19:55:01 | warmi | numatrix: what's up ? |
| 19:55:09 | numatrix | vforge37: warmi would be the guy to ask |
| 19:55:25 | numatrix | warmi: Just out of curiosity, did you do the asm conversion to get gnuboy up to speed on the zaurus? |
| 19:55:27 | darienm | killefiz: more icons are useless for the people viewing your list. |
| 19:55:29 | erikd | warmi: was that about lilo? :) |
| 19:55:39 | warmi | erikd: yeah |
| 19:55:42 | numatrix | IE, convert the x86 asm routines to arm to get the extra speed boost? |
| 19:55:50 | JasonNJ | it would be cool if gnuboy scaled to screen size |
| 19:55:53 | darienm | killefiz: screenshots are useful, source, licensing, fee, etc not useful |
| 19:56:13 | warmi | numatrix: no .. I just wrote very small ( 6 lines) arm ASM routine from scratch |
| 19:56:19 | vforge37 | thanks numatrix |
| 19:56:20 | numatrix | darienm: I don't know, fee, source, licensing, I've cared about all of those things for particular software at one point or another. |
| 19:56:30 | Cloudchaser | it would be cool if i could find gbc roms :) |
| 19:56:34 | icebird | is it possible to boot from the SD card? |
| 19:56:40 | icebird | or MMC |
| 19:56:41 | JasonNJ | ice: no |
| 19:56:44 | vforge37 | numatrix: unfortuneately I just realized that all the screenshots are of that same resolution, so I guess not |
| 19:56:45 | warmi | it is very simple .. the speedup is mostly from ommiting QImage mess and not because I used that asm code .. |
| 19:56:47 | Harlekin | who was the one testing some days ago op² for me on retail rom= |
| 19:56:47 | JasonNJ | but you can boot from CF |
| 19:56:48 | Harlekin | ? |
| 19:56:51 | treke|ho1e | George-: I logged onto oftc last night, and my client automatically logs onto all those channels :) |
| 19:56:58 | numatrix | warmi: Even still, good job. I made a port of an SDL gb app that I was ~just~ about to release when you released that... :-) |
| 19:56:58 | vforge37 | Cloudchaser: I just found a site today that's a gem for gb roms :) |
| 19:57:06 | numatrix | warmi: Have you tried it at SET SCALE 1.5? |
| 19:57:15 | | TheMasterMind1: sorry... |
| 19:57:15 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot: zsi feed |
| 19:57:17 | | somebody said zsi was http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 19:57:17 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot: zsi |
| 19:57:17 | George- | treke|ho1e: hehe |
| 19:57:22 | | sniper is probably a Sharp marketing slave |
| 19:57:22 | George- | ibot sniper |
| 19:57:27 | warmi | numatrix: nah .. my code only handles 1 |
| 19:57:28 | George- | :) |
| 19:57:37 | warmi | numatrix: but I could change that |
| 19:57:47 | warmi | numatrix: how's the speed of SDL version |
| 19:57:54 | darienm | numatrix: that info is still on ZSI, just one click away |
| 19:57:54 | numatrix | warmi: Ok, maybe I'll make that the goal of my project then. I was working on it for the development challenge, but now... <shrug> |
| 19:57:55 | icebird | is it possible to boot from a serial connection? |
| 19:58:05 | TheMasterMind1 | can the zsi be used as a feed? |
| 19:58:05 | JasonNJ | ice: no |
| 19:58:09 | numatrix | warmi: It's almost exactly the same as yours except some B&W are slower. |
| 19:58:27 | icebird | JasonNJ: why not? |
| 19:58:38 | warmi | numatrix: you mean you were working on Qtopia gnuboy for Sharp dev challenge ?? |
| 19:58:54 | killefiz | TheMasterMind1: no - that might change in the future - i keep everyone who want's that feature to implement it and someone seems to have started |
| 19:58:59 | JasonNJ | you mean boot the OS from a serial connection, not view the console over serial while booting, right |
| 19:59:08 | icebird | jep |
| 19:59:16 | JasonNJ | right, you cant |
| 19:59:17 | | qnx is a realtime platform - a hybrid that represents a cross between a realtime operating system and a platform OS. or at http://www.eugeneteo.net/files/sites/ipaq/ |
| 19:59:17 | George- | ibot qnx |
| 19:59:18 | numatrix | warmi: It's a different emulator, but yeah. One of the 'suggest your own topic' categories. |
| 19:59:29 | icebird | ok, it'd be slow, but nice |
| 19:59:31 | George- | wtf is a realtime OS? |
| 19:59:39 | numatrix | Speaking of which, is sniper around? |
| 19:59:41 | warmi | uh .. I didn't know that .. sorry :-) |
| 19:59:42 | | sniper was last seen on #zaurus 6 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: ibot cdm [Mon Aug 19 20:53:32 2002] |
| 19:59:42 | numatrix | ibot seen sniper |
| 19:59:45 | JasonNJ | george: processes run in real time |
| 19:59:51 | Sniper | qnx is realtie |
| 19:59:53 | warmi | how's the sound in your version ? |
| 19:59:54 | George- | JasonNJ: Is LInux like that? |
| 19:59:56 | JasonNJ | the scheduling works differently |
| 19:59:57 | warmi | does it work fine ? |
| 20:00:01 | JasonNJ | no, Linux is not like that |
| 20:00:05 | JasonNJ | most unices are not |
| 20:00:34 | George- | what's so good about realtime? |
| 20:00:35 | warmi | numatrix: btw .. gnuboy has very unfortunate architecture which just doesn't lend itself well for zaurus screen orientation |
| 20:00:38 | George- | Is Windoze real time? |
| 20:00:44 | JasonNJ | no, Windows is not |
| 20:00:46 | treke|ho1e | George-: Its important for certain tasks |
| 20:00:51 | numatrix | Sniper: you see my conversation with warmi regarding my contest entry? |
| 20:00:53 | George- | treke|ho1e: such as? |
| 20:01:03 | treke|ho1e | George-: When you need to be able to guarantee that something is done within a certain time frame |
| 20:01:06 | JasonNJ | thinks like medical equipment and telephony switches require an RTOS |
| 20:01:12 | warmi | it updates line by line .. in a loop which means I cannot apply optimizations when rotating output ( the way SDL blit does) |
| 20:01:15 | treke|ho1e | like medical equipment |
| 20:01:31 | George- | oh |
| 20:01:53 | numatrix | warmi: That explains why the SDL port works better. Doesn't gnuboy have sdl code included though? |
| 20:02:07 | Sniper | numatrix: no |
| 20:02:08 | treke|ho1e | George-: http://icculus.org/~chunky/project/ |
| 20:02:08 | numatrix | warmi: Relatively sepaking that is; I would expect the asm one to go faster otherwise. |
| 20:02:15 | mickeyl | killefiz: is embedded html or special tags supported in the Long Description ? |
| 20:02:28 | George- | what's the point in running QNX on a Z? |
| 20:02:44 | Sniper | numatrix: what it in regards to the gameboy? |
| 20:02:44 | warmi | numatrix: it does but I just concentrated on Qtopia version written by the original author .. |
| 20:02:48 | numatrix | warmi: In the source I downloaded, it had a sys/sdl directory, so I figured it would |
| 20:02:51 | killefiz | mickeyl: html works |
| 20:03:01 | warmi | btw.. I have feeling I could make yours even faster using ASM |
| 20:03:15 | warmi | with gnuboy I can't do much without rewriting entire graphic pipeline |
| 20:03:17 | mickeyl | killefiz: aah fine. then i can insert some more <p> to make the description nicer to read. |
| 20:03:35 | warmi | the way it is written I can only update 1 pixel at a time 2 byte writes into memory |
| 20:03:45 | numatrix | Sniper: yeah; that was going to by my dev challenge entry. In fact, I have my entry done but it uses a different backend than warmi's. But his kinda obsoletes mine since he released it earlier. Should I still work on mine? I'm also looking an an nes emulator, but that would take me more time. :-( |
| 20:04:16 | warmi | numatrix: hold on man .. does your play sounds ? gnuboy has still issues with sound code |
| 20:04:18 | Sniper | numatrix: is warmi's different or much better? |
| 20:04:21 | numatrix | warmi: That might be cool, or maybe scaling would work better; though gnuboy does have some nicer options, and I think the colors are a little better. |
| 20:04:41 | warmi | perhaps it is better to work off his version |
| 20:04:45 | numatrix | warmi: The one I'm working on doesn't emulate sound. At least, if I remember correctly the sound emulation uses floating point so I had ignored it before. |
| 20:05:02 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid usbdnet stops working after a while |
| 20:05:08 | Sniper | numatrix: hmmm well im just looking for production quality stuff - nes emulator would rock |
| 20:05:21 | warmi | ah ok .. well, is the source code secret or would it be possible to take a peek at it ? |
| 20:05:25 | numatrix | Sniper: mostly different; almost no functional difference whatsoever. Almost identical speeds (except on a few games), his color balance seems to be better, but other than that they're identical. |
| 20:05:50 | numatrix | warmi: It's not secret in the least; I didn't write it myself, I'm merely working on an existing sdl app... I'm not so much of a coder myself. |
| 20:05:52 | Sniper | numatrix: well id hate for u to throw away all the work u did.. can you propose something ? |
| 20:06:20 | warmi | numatrix: can you send me the code .. I just wanted to see if I can apply some asm there :-) |
| 20:06:29 | JasonNJ | George: its an alternative PDA OS that has some interesting industry applications. |
| 20:06:34 | numatrix | Sniper: I'd really like to get the nes emulator working. I've got it running now, but I'm having some trouble with the graphics. Let me just see if I can get the NES one up to speed and if not, I guess I won't worry about it. |
| 20:06:34 | warmi | perhaps we will be able to make this one even faster |
| 20:06:51 | tux_mike | damn. I hate geometry |
| 20:06:59 | numatrix | warmi: Sure, that would be cool. |
| 20:07:00 | warmi | numatrix: what kind of graphics problems ? |
| 20:07:05 | tux_mike | numatrix: what are you working on? |
| 20:07:13 | JasonNJ | a GBA emulator would run even faster than a Gameboy one on the Z |
| 20:07:16 | numatrix | tux_mike: fce/ultra sdl port to the zaurus |
| 20:07:23 | warmi | numatrix: can you email the tar ball to warmi@warmi.net ? |
| 20:07:24 | tux_mike | sweet :) |
| 20:07:35 | numatrix | JasonNJ: the only SDL GBA emulator I've found I can't get the source too... :-( |
| 20:07:48 | tux_mike | numatrix: you try mailing the guy? |
| 20:07:51 | numatrix | warmi: I don't know exactly; I'll tell you in query. |
| 20:07:56 | tux_mike | there are other linux ports |
| 20:07:58 | warmi | numatrix: yeah I saw that one as well .. there is a version for Linux but binary only |
| 20:08:02 | numatrix | tux_mike: Not yet, I was planning on it, but someone more able than myself should probably persue it. |
| 20:08:10 | tux_mike | :) |
| 20:08:16 | tux_mike | that's why i never did it |
| 20:08:19 | numatrix | warmi: yeah, so that might be worth it. |
| 20:09:09 | JasonNJ | a good GBA emulator on the Z should only emulate the support chips not the cpu |
| 20:09:19 | scribe | Hey guys, can OpenZaurus really connect via IrDA to an ISP? |
| 20:09:25 | JasonNJ | since you dont need to emulate the CPU |
| 20:09:40 | cdm | JasonNJ: sure ya do - since it is running 16bit thumb code. ;) |
| 20:09:51 | JasonNJ | yeah, but I mean, its an ARM 7 |
| 20:10:10 | scribe | I setup a connection to my ISP, but can't figure out how to 'connect' There's not [Connect] button, or anything, that I can find |
| 20:10:29 | tux_mike | cdm: i thought GBA was running at 32 bit? |
| 20:10:30 | cdm | JasonNJ: sure - but I don't think you can do mixed mode code. You are either in Thumb or you are not. |
| 20:10:40 | cdm | tux_mike: it can - depends on the game. |
| 20:11:13 | JasonNJ | cdm: it loads its OS from the cartdridge? |
| 20:11:46 | cdm | JasonNJ: No OS. |
| 20:11:51 | tux_mike | jason: there is a bios |
| 20:12:07 | JasonNJ | cdm: its on the metal machine code? |
| 20:12:21 | cdm | yep. |
| 20:12:25 | cdm | you can get a development kit. |
| 20:12:26 | JasonNJ | that must be fun to develop for. |
| 20:12:44 | cdm | JasonNJ: pretty much how all the consoles work. They give you a library for routines. |
| 20:12:49 | cdm | and there is a BIOS. |
| 20:13:05 | JasonNJ | cdm: well, except for X box |
| 20:13:12 | JasonNJ | doesnt PS2 have an OS? |
| 20:13:22 | tux_mike | feels acomplished for the day. 10.5k of coding done :) |
| 20:14:09 | tux_mike | jason: i think it's about as much as you can call any BIOS an os. :) |
| 20:15:31 | Wembly | tux_mike: some bios's more then others :) |
| 20:15:58 | Wembly | jasonnj: how's the xbox work? |
| 20:16:07 | JasonNJ | wembly: it runs on Win2K |
| 20:16:11 | Wembly | oh fun. |
| 20:16:16 | Wembly | with its pos hd? |
| 20:16:19 | tux_mike | Win2k embedded |
| 20:16:20 | JasonNJ | yep |
| 20:16:29 | icebird | it runs on linux too |
| 20:16:34 | JasonNJ | ice: sort of. |
| 20:16:34 | Wembly | has anyone upgraded it? |
| 20:16:35 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: ping |
| 20:16:36 | Wembly | the hd that is |
| 20:16:42 | JasonNJ | ice: not without a LOT of work |
| 20:16:51 | Sniper | numa: do your best and drop a line |
| 20:16:54 | tux_mike | ice: only if it's modded, and not very well at this point |
| 20:17:15 | icebird | dunno, there's a project and they have a iso which boots linux on a Xbox |
| 20:17:25 | icebird | and i also think it's unmodified |
| 20:17:34 | JasonNJ | no, it needs a mod |
| 20:17:41 | tux_mike | needs a mod |
| 20:17:41 | JasonNJ | to run untrusted code off the CD |
| 20:17:44 | treke|ho1e | icebird: it needs a mod chip. And it probably wont be all that useful until someone writes a video driver for it |
| 20:17:55 | icebird | mh ok, but the mod chip is cheap and easy to install |
| 20:18:07 | JasonNJ | right now the only console that runs linux reliably is teh PS2 |
| 20:18:19 | treke|ho1e | Define "easy". If it requires soldering, I wouldnt call it easy :) |
| 20:18:19 | JasonNJ | because its a SONY condoned and produced product |
| 20:18:32 | tux_mike | and that's not all that good. you get access to about nothing |
| 20:19:06 | icebird | treke|ho1e: you have to solder it together, but it's a trivial task done in ~1 hour, maybe less |
| 20:19:10 | JasonNJ | actually the Dreamcast runs Linux well |
| 20:19:21 | JasonNJ | but I have never tried it personally |
| 20:19:25 | treke|ho1e | icebird: You dont know my soldering skills :) |
| 20:19:26 | tux_mike | yah |
| 20:19:42 | Harlekin | get your xbox server today |
| 20:19:44 | treke|ho1e | djk-hw: Sorry, dont know much about cameras. I just know the d1x's are popular around hear |
| 20:19:46 | George- | JasonNJ: Sony suck |
| 20:20:01 | icebird | treke|ho1e: ok, that's true ;) |
| 20:20:18 | JasonNJ | george: be it as it may, they are not a company I want to underestimate |
| 20:20:41 | tux_mike | well, time for me to go home |
| 20:20:48 | JasonNJ | me too |
| 20:20:56 | George- | JasonNJ: have you seen their OS policy on their Vaio range?!?! |
| 20:20:57 | djk-hw | treke|ho1e: Thanks I was hoping for a IRC suggestion. Hope lunch was good |
| 20:21:04 | treke|ho1e | djk-hw: it was |
| 20:21:10 | JasonNJ | wife is making fresh sphagetti sauce that has been simmering all day |
| 20:21:10 | George- | "Change the OS and your warranty fizzles out" |
| 20:21:38 | treke|ho1e | George-: What do you expect? |
| 20:21:54 | JasonNJ | most laptop manufacturers do not support anything other than the original shipping OS on their laptops |
| 20:22:03 | JasonNJ | due to the complexity of the install |
| 20:22:12 | djk-hw | JasonNJ: stop it I'm already hungry ;-) |
| 20:22:12 | JasonNJ | the OS drops are usually highly customized |
| 20:22:14 | treke|ho1e | George-: Changing the OS could in theory cause hardware issues, not to mention OS support calls |
| 20:22:51 | JasonNJ | To my knowledge only Dell and IBM support Linux officially on their laptops |
| 20:23:01 | djk-hw | JasonNJ: If you need some good fresh Jersey Tomatos my Dad's garden will be over flowing soon. Boy are they good |
| 20:23:06 | treke|ho1e | and they probably will only support the install they give you |
| 20:23:14 | JasonNJ | djk: mine came from my garden |
| 20:23:20 | JasonNJ | but hey, I can always use more. |
| 20:24:27 | djk-hw | JasonNJ: nothing like fresh Jersey beats those styrofoam ones in the grocery during winter |
| 20:24:51 | JasonNJ | yeah |
| 20:24:54 | JasonNJ | we freeze most of ours |
| 20:25:36 | djk-hw | little hard to slice them up and eat them raw when frozen ;-) |
| 20:26:14 | JasonNJ | yeah, most of the freezing is for the romas |
| 20:26:16 | JasonNJ | for sauce |
| 20:26:25 | djk-hw | this is the first year ages he did a garden. He forgot a little is a lot |
| 20:26:25 | JasonNJ | we eat the heirlooms |
| 20:26:36 | George- | is having a dynamic IP on ADSL bad? |
| 20:26:45 | numatrix | George-: doesn't have to be. |
| 20:26:52 | djk-hw | George-: no |
| 20:26:59 | George- | numatrix: ok, what's good about having a dynamic? :) |
| 20:26:59 | djk-hw | What is the lease |
| 20:27:05 | George- | lease? |
| 20:27:21 | treke|ho1e | George-: Depends on whether or not you need an unchanging ip |
| 20:27:24 | djk-hw | the time that the ip will expire without use |
| 20:27:42 | George- | djk-hw: uhm, I dunno |
| 20:27:54 | treke|ho1e | djk-hw: ADSL has a nasty habit of being pppoe, which means you dont really have a lease |
| 20:27:54 | djk-hw | George-: windows or linux? |
| 20:28:05 | djk-hw | oh |
| 20:28:18 | George- | ADSL is pppoe, yes |
| 20:28:33 | treke|ho1e | you your lease lasts as long as you stay logged on |
| 20:28:40 | djk-hw | well getting a new ip each time could be good from a security view point at least you're a moving target |
| 20:28:59 | numatrix | George-: I never said it was good, just that it wasn't necessarily bad. :-) |
| 20:29:20 | numatrix | djk-hw: Hmm, good point; that could be an advantage... |
| 20:29:28 | djk-hw | George-: you want a static if you are running a server of some kind otherwise it should not matter much |
| 20:29:35 | George- | djk-hw: hrmm |
| 20:29:37 | scribe | anyone do any work on the graphical package installer? |
| 20:29:38 | treke|ho1e | its more of an annoyance to me. Not really bad |
| 20:29:41 | George- | djk-hw: I *might* want to run a server :) |
| 20:29:52 | treke|ho1e | George-: well then it wont work very well |
| 20:30:09 | treke|ho1e | At least from my experience, my ip changes every few days |
| 20:30:25 | djk-hw | George-: then you will probably have to upgrade your service or find a hosting company |
| 20:30:46 | George- | hrmm, ok |
| 20:31:16 | djk-hw | George-: or there is a DNS server that allows you make quick update that you could use to keep youdhcp address in dns |
| 20:31:46 | djk-hw | JasonNJ: when is dinner served ;-) |
| 20:32:52 | George- | http://www.adslguide.org.uk/isps.asp?action=prodinfo&retail_id=364 <-- I'm looking into getting that :) |
| 20:33:58 | ciaolinux | did anyone heard anything about the challange? are there any news? |
| 20:34:22 | George- | ciaolinux: go scream at Sniper :) |
| 20:34:39 | ciaolinux | George-: why? what happened? |
| 20:34:46 | djk-hw | off to dinner |
| 20:34:52 | George- | ciaolinux: he's the guy organizing it hehe |
| 20:35:22 | ciaolinux | George-: did you send him anything? I have send the app to meyerb@sharpsec.com |
| 20:36:02 | George- | not yet |
| 20:36:03 | scribe | Hey guys, what bluetooth devices does the Z support (current distro of OpenZaurus)? |
| 20:37:16 | ciaolinux | George-: did you hear from anybody that had an answer from them? |
| 20:37:30 | George- | nope |
| 20:38:17 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 20:38:21 | [DrEvil] | who deleted kergoth |
| 20:38:42 | George- | ME |
| 20:38:49 | [DrEvil] | don't do that |
| 20:38:53 | zecke | Harlekin: let's have some fun now |
| 20:38:55 | [DrEvil] | I need him to help troubleshoot this |
| 20:38:55 | George- | BigBoss installed kergoth.ipk up his ass |
| 20:38:58 | George- | *g* |
| 20:39:20 | Harlekin | zecke: one more bug to go |
| 20:39:32 | [DrEvil] | plenty of room there |
| 20:40:18 | [DrEvil] | cramfs |
| 20:40:22 | BigBoss | George-: it's only funny the first time :) |
| 20:40:23 | sjohnson | scribe: Look at http://www.holtmann.org/linux/bluetooth/devices.html . That a good, current status of various BT cards. |
| 20:40:33 | George- | BigBoss: ass hole! :) |
| 20:40:53 | zecke | Harlekin: two :( |
| 20:41:04 | Harlekin | zecke: ohoh |
| 20:41:18 | George- | I gtg |
| 20:41:25 | Harlekin | George-: wait |
| 20:41:30 | George- | Harlekin: oh? |
| 20:41:30 | Harlekin | George-: beta testing |
| 20:41:31 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 20:41:34 | George- | for what? |
| 20:41:38 | Harlekin | George-: op² |
| 20:41:38 | George- | op²? |
| 20:41:41 | George- | ok |
| 20:41:42 | George- | hang on |
| 20:41:51 | Harlekin | George-: since you did yesterday you get served 1 h early |
| 20:42:08 | George- | LOL |
| 20:42:16 | TheMasterMind1 | are the 192.168.129.20x ips arbritarily chosen? |
| 20:42:23 | George- | ARe there any new codecs? |
| 20:42:27 | George- | is the codec ipk new? |
| 20:42:39 | Harlekin | 0.2.1 |
| 20:42:40 | Harlekin | yes |
| 20:42:48 | Harlekin | with working shoutcast/icecast (internet radio) |
| 20:42:55 | George- | Harlekin: ok |
| 20:43:07 | George- | Harlekin: is the ipk on your site the newest? |
| 20:43:20 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid usbdnet.. stops working after a while |
| 20:43:26 | George- | uh wait |
| 20:43:30 | George- | yeh it is |
| 20:43:32 | George- | slaps self |
| 20:43:33 | Harlekin | George-: y |
| 20:44:17 | George- | stop saying "y"! I think it's "why" :) |
| 20:44:18 | George- | hehe |
| 20:44:30 | George- | stick the "y" up Harlekin's left nostril |
| 20:44:37 | zecke | Harlekin:I like Gunter Barsch video streaming approach |
| 20:45:04 | Harlekin | pets little Georgy |
| 20:45:06 | zecke | OT:somebody willing to buy me a new notebook? |
| 20:45:18 | George- | Harlekin: ass |
| 20:45:21 | George- | :) |
| 20:45:28 | George- | zecke: I'll give you my 386SX... 33MHz |
| 20:45:32 | George- | haha |
| 20:45:57 | George- | Harlekin: Send me those logs when I'm 18, and I'll kill you :) |
| 20:46:00 | zecke | George-: get me a skiff cluster.... |
| 20:46:05 | George- | OK |
| 20:46:07 | George- | I'm off |
| 20:46:15 | George- | zecke: I'm 14, I'm broke, I've no money, don't ask me! |
| 20:46:23 | zecke | George-: there a some people that will neber turn 18 |
| 20:46:29 | George- | haha |
| 20:46:31 | George- | gtg |
| 20:46:33 | George- | byeeee |
| 20:46:36 | George- | Harlekin: I'll try it out |
| 20:46:56 | craiger | 192.168.129.20x hardcoded in the hotplug script for usbd.. |
| 20:47:02 | craiger | add default route in there too |
| 20:47:23 | zecke | Harlekin: but the getenv was a no brainer...... |
| 20:47:37 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 20:47:41 | Harlekin | not my fault |
| 20:47:59 | zecke | Harlekin: I know.... cvsblame is securing you're ass on this issue... |
| 20:48:02 | Harlekin | warum segfault bei exit |
| 20:49:22 | TheMasterMind1 | craiger: i cant' change that to 1.2.3.4 etc? |
| 20:49:29 | kalldrexx | anyone here good with qt? |
| 20:49:53 | zecke | Harlekin: let's create a hall of shame.... |
| 20:49:57 | craiger | TheMasterMind1: sure you can |
| 20:50:07 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 20:50:07 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 20:50:10 | TheMasterMind1 | so that's not the problem |
| 20:50:32 | craiger | see /etc/hotplug/net.agent if you want to hack the default IP |
| 20:50:36 | Harlekin | zecke: let put qte keyboard code of far top |
| 20:50:38 | darienm | http://www.apple.com/powermac/ <-- Yum ! |
| 20:50:40 | Harlekin | unreachable |
| 20:50:59 | darienm | with dual 1.25 GHz |
| 20:51:07 | craiger | (add a route statement after that default IP too) |
| 20:51:10 | zecke | Harlekin: no it's a hack |
| 20:51:12 | TheMasterMind1 | craiger: i have to change it on the zaurus right.. i can just use the network properties dialog |
| 20:51:20 | craiger | screw the net properties.. |
| 20:51:24 | TheMasterMind1 | its working fine.. i can ping it |
| 20:51:27 | craiger | i'm talking about the IP over USB default.. |
| 20:51:29 | TheMasterMind1 | i don't have a console yet |
| 20:51:31 | craiger | ah, cool |
| 20:51:35 | craiger | if you're pingin' you're good |
| 20:51:37 | TheMasterMind1 | the thing is |
| 20:51:40 | TheMasterMind1 | after like 2 minutes |
| 20:51:42 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't ping it anymore |
| 20:51:48 | TheMasterMind1 | it works for a bit but then the connection breaks |
| 20:51:51 | craiger | IP over usb? |
| 20:51:57 | TheMasterMind1 | if i take usb0 down for a bit and then back up |
| 20:51:59 | TheMasterMind1 | it works again |
| 20:52:01 | TheMasterMind1 | yea using usbdnet |
| 20:52:04 | craiger | powerd up? |
| 20:52:10 | craiger | not suspending? |
| 20:52:13 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 20:52:16 | craiger | it shouldn't suspend in a powered cradle.. |
| 20:52:17 | craiger | hmm. |
| 20:52:18 | craiger | dunno |
| 20:52:19 | mickeyl | is leaving for a while... |
| 20:52:21 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 20:52:23 | TheMasterMind1 | its being weird |
| 20:52:26 | craiger | mine stays up all day |
| 20:52:31 | TheMasterMind1 | i think i'm going ot try ppp over usb |
| 20:52:40 | craiger | run ifconfig on your linux box |
| 20:52:42 | craiger | er.. "ifconfig -a" |
| 20:52:44 | craiger | look for usbd0 |
| 20:52:49 | TheMasterMind1 | i have usb0 up |
| 20:52:50 | TheMasterMind1 | and configured |
| 20:52:51 | craiger | if it's gone, then the usb device is gone |
| 20:53:00 | TheMasterMind1 | yea its still there |
| 20:53:05 | TheMasterMind1 | the connection just dies |
| 20:53:06 | TheMasterMind1 | very weird |
| 20:53:06 | craiger | so you got tcp problems |
| 20:53:09 | Harlekin | ok |
| 20:53:09 | craiger | er.. ip problems |
| 20:53:13 | TheMasterMind1 | lemme try with the default ips |
| 20:53:17 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe because i changed it |
| 20:53:21 | craiger | ah, maybe.. |
| 20:53:23 | craiger | dunno tho |
| 20:56:59 | TheMasterMind1 | only seems to screw up after i go into opera |
| 20:57:06 | TheMasterMind1 | and use it for a bit, just kinda stops |
| 20:57:18 | TheMasterMind1 | i can't ping between them or anything after that |
| 21:00:45 | craiger | no idea |
| 21:04:20 | craiger | i only got my zaurus a few days ago tho... (linuxworld for 299!) |
| 21:05:41 | akk | I gave up on getting usbdnet to work ... I got a CF card and transfer stuff that way. |
| 21:05:58 | akk | I'd get 66% through a small transfer and it would freeze. |
| 21:06:42 | craiger | strange.. |
| 21:06:48 | craiger | i remote control my zaurus full time with VNC |
| 21:07:13 | craiger | http://craiger.uh.nu/pr0n/snapshot4.png cool eh? |
| 21:09:46 | Cloudchaser | vnc rocks |
| 21:10:09 | Cloudchaser | will be great when kergoth fixes it for oz |
| 21:10:14 | BigBoss | any hardware geeks in here? |
| 21:10:36 | BigBoss | I need some help - my build system suddenly isn't recognizing any floppy, HD or CD connected to it |
| 21:10:47 | Harlekin | so |
| 21:10:50 | Harlekin | betatesters wanted |
| 21:10:59 | kalldrexx | for? |
| 21:11:05 | Harlekin | op² |
| 21:11:07 | Harlekin | beta1 |
| 21:11:11 | kalldrexx | op? |
| 21:11:18 | Harlekin | op^2 |
| 21:11:50 | fusion94 | BigBoss: go.... |
| 21:12:02 | treke|ho1e | op^2? |
| 21:12:03 | fusion94 | BigBoss: i used to work at va so i know one or 2 things about hw |
| 21:12:09 | Harlekin | treke|ho1e: opie player 2 |
| 21:12:13 | BigBoss | I'm trying to figure out if the mobo got borked or something |
| 21:12:21 | BigBoss | everything on the system is recognized but drives |
| 21:12:30 | BigBoss | I can get into the bios settings and it shows 'none' |
| 21:12:35 | treke|ho1e | ah cool. |
| 21:12:39 | BigBoss | I try to autosense and still nothing |
| 21:12:39 | Cloudchaser | ack |
| 21:12:39 | craiger | *bork*! |
| 21:12:45 | craiger | sweedish chef! |
| 21:12:58 | BigBoss | any way to figure out if the drive controllers on the mobo are hosed? |
| 21:13:04 | treke|ho1e | i'd be glad to give it a shot |
| 21:13:23 | treke|ho1e | definitly found that op1 was a bit lacking over the long haul :) |
| 21:13:30 | fusion94 | BigBoss: linux or windows ? |
| 21:13:50 | Harlekin | treke|ho1e: so, want to test? .-) |
| 21:13:57 | treke|ho1e | Harlekin: yeah |
| 21:13:58 | fusion94 | well shit |
| 21:14:07 | Harlekin | treke|ho1e: 217.229.154.106 port 8001 http |
| 21:14:11 | fusion94 | BigBoss: your fuxxored....you got no hdd either ? |
| 21:14:21 | jbwiv | anyone know the difference between a QMenuBar and a QPEMenuBar? |
| 21:14:21 | [DrEvil] | try resetting the BIOS |
| 21:14:30 | treke|ho1e | Harlekin: very snazzy |
| 21:14:44 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 21:14:52 | [DrEvil] | like set the reset jumper or yank the battery |
| 21:14:52 | treke|ho1e | Harlekin: I like the directory listing :) |
| 21:14:55 | BigBoss | fusion94: there are 2 hd's, 1 cd and 1 floppy on this machine |
| 21:14:55 | Harlekin | who is the 213,113.194.247 |
| 21:15:01 | treke|ho1e | I'm easilly ammused :) |
| 21:15:05 | Harlekin | treke|ho1e: k file server |
| 21:15:19 | umopapisdn | Harlekin: me. :) |
| 21:15:24 | Harlekin | oh |
| 21:15:30 | Harlekin | and then 12.107.12.130 |
| 21:15:41 | treke|ho1e | thats me |
| 21:15:53 | Harlekin | k |
| 21:15:59 | Harlekin | make sure to get codec 0.2.1 |
| 21:16:05 | Harlekin | not 0.2 |
| 21:16:49 | Harlekin | and just the 2 ipks |
| 21:17:17 | umopapisdn | Harlekin: are you on modem? |
| 21:17:58 | Harlekin | umopapisdn: dsl |
| 21:18:02 | Harlekin | umopapisdn: but you are not alone |
| 21:18:35 | umopapisdn | Harlekin: apparently...I'm gettin about 2kB/s. :) |
| 21:19:04 | fusion94 | BigBoss: yeah but can the system see them ? |
| 21:19:17 | Harlekin | umopapisdn: which unit? which os |
| 21:19:22 | Harlekin | treke|ho1e: which unit? which os |
| 21:19:23 | BigBoss | it's not seeing them |
| 21:20:22 | umopapisdn | Harlekin: Zaurus 5500D, OZ 2.9.5.5 |
| 21:20:27 | Harlekin | oh |
| 21:20:28 | Harlekin | german |
| 21:20:30 | Harlekin | should work |
| 21:20:34 | Harlekin | a wait |
| 21:20:38 | Harlekin | is that beta 5? |
| 21:20:48 | treke|ho1e | Harlekin: 3800, Familiar 0.6. Recent Opie |
| 21:20:54 | Harlekin | treke|ho1e: you wont have problems |
| 21:20:58 | umopapisdn | Harlekin: eh... i don't know where that D came from. :) it's not a german one. :) |
| 21:21:16 | Cloudchaser | harlekin what changes did you make since the other day? |
| 21:21:16 | djk-hw | BigBoss: you have an extra controller to experment with? |
| 21:21:28 | BigBoss | djk-hw: these are built into the mobo |
| 21:21:34 | Cloudchaser | well it would be unusuall for 2 hd controller and the fd controller all to go out |
| 21:21:41 | Cloudchaser | one at a time maybe |
| 21:21:43 | umopapisdn | Harlekin: hmmm, I believe that is beta 5 yes... not totally sure though. |
| 21:21:43 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: shoutcast |
| 21:21:43 | treke|ho1e | Harlekin: You managed to get non root users to work with opie?? |
| 21:21:48 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: and works on retail Z now |
| 21:21:54 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 21:21:58 | Harlekin | treke|ho1e: did not try yet |
| 21:22:08 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: and several other small bugfixes |
| 21:22:10 | BigBoss | ok, this is a good sign |
| 21:22:13 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: still enougj open |
| 21:22:19 | BigBoss | I pulled the battery and just connected one drive |
| 21:22:19 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: but, its only the first beta |
| 21:22:20 | BigBoss | it sees it |
| 21:22:25 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: and actually you _can_ use it |
| 21:22:35 | Cloudchaser | what do you mean |
| 21:22:43 | Harlekin | umopapisdn: Cloudchaser reported that beta5 has mem and cpu issues |
| 21:22:56 | Cloudchaser | not sure if its that harlekin |
| 21:22:59 | Cloudchaser | oh right |
| 21:23:01 | Cloudchaser | duh |
| 21:23:02 | Cloudchaser | sorry |
| 21:23:10 | Cloudchaser | its not op2 |
| 21:23:18 | djk-hw | BigBoss: My brother had the same problem and had to go with a new controll and disable the mother board one |
| 21:23:19 | Cloudchaser | and george hasn't seen it yet |
| 21:23:55 | djk-hw | BigBoss: sounds like you are fixed anyway |
| 21:24:47 | Cloudchaser | harlekin: i do think it could be oipkg causing the trouble |
| 21:25:01 | Cloudchaser | but until top is working there's no real way for me to tell |
| 21:25:24 | BigBoss | interesting: if I plug the secondary controller cable in, then none of the drives are recognized |
| 21:25:26 | Harlekin | treke|ho1e: and make sure to read the readme |
| 21:25:30 | Cloudchaser | i just watch for the high app cpu usage now and reboot when i want to play music and vid |
| 21:25:38 | Cloudchaser | could be that's the culprit |
| 21:26:54 | cheekygeezer | Burp! |
| 21:27:38 | cheekygeezer | you cheeky geezers! |
| 21:27:41 | craiger | what's the ideal divx encoding format for mplayer on the zaurus? |
| 21:27:59 | cheekygeezer | I would think.. divx.. |
| 21:28:07 | djk-hw | BigBoss: sounds like a setting conflict like master slave |
| 21:28:14 | whardier | use msmpeg4 |
| 21:28:17 | whardier | for the Z |
| 21:28:19 | whardier | less overhead |
| 21:28:36 | whardier | than the mpeg4 codec |
| 21:28:54 | craiger | msmpeg4? not familiar with that.. available for Transcode (linux)? |
| 21:29:04 | whardier | heh |
| 21:29:11 | whardier | xXx is the top of the box office right now |
| 21:29:20 | whardier | followed by signs |
| 21:29:23 | whardier | then apparently blue crush |
| 21:29:26 | whardier | which I have never heard of |
| 21:29:37 | whardier | ooh.. boy I should go see it |
| 21:29:40 | whardier | http://us.imdb.com/Title?0300532 |
| 21:30:19 | cdm | Blue Crush is a teenaged girl flick. |
| 21:30:21 | whardier | it has the funky http://us.imdb.com/Name?Rodriguez,+Michelle chick that was in REsident Evil 3 |
| 21:31:01 | treke|ho1e | Neo|Work: So far the only problem with RocketElite is that I dont have nearly enough buttons to play it. Still cool though |
| 21:32:01 | [DrEvil] | SD is so SSSSSSSLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW |
| 21:32:16 | whardier | RAID IT |
| 21:32:18 | whardier | wants SD raid! |
| 21:32:25 | whardier | THAT MEANS IT WILL GO FAST FAST FAST! |
| 21:32:27 | [DrEvil] | raid what? |
| 21:32:27 | whardier | CHEAP CHEAP! |
| 21:32:29 | comfrey | does anyone here use the d-link cf wireless card? |
| 21:32:30 | [DrEvil] | the fridge? |
| 21:32:46 | [DrEvil] | turn your Z into a sailboat with that card |
| 21:33:26 | comfrey | can you get to the ear jack with it installed? |
| 21:33:29 | whardier | damn spears chick |
| 21:33:36 | [DrEvil] | no you can't |
| 21:33:39 | comfrey | and does it work with kismet? |
| 21:33:49 | [DrEvil] | you should have known that by looking at it |
| 21:33:52 | Cloudchaser | i have a dlilnk |
| 21:33:56 | Cloudchaser | dlink |
| 21:34:06 | [DrEvil] | I have Buffalo |
| 21:34:15 | whardier | I have Buffalo '66 |
| 21:34:21 | Harlekin | treke|ho1e: installed? |
| 21:34:24 | comfrey | [DrEvil]: yes it does seem quite large |
| 21:34:37 | Cloudchaser | comfrey i got a 90 degree adapter and carved the side a bit and i can get the wifi card in now with it |
| 21:34:40 | Harlekin | treke|ho1e: try http://stream.wopn.org:10000/wopn-broadband.ogg |
| 21:34:46 | Harlekin | treke|ho1e: wopn is on air right now |
| 21:34:51 | Cloudchaser | then plug headphone/speaker into the adapter |
| 21:34:53 | whardier | http://us.imdb.com/Title?0180052 |
| 21:34:53 | whardier | woot |
| 21:34:54 | whardier | thats out! |
| 21:34:59 | Cloudchaser | 2.99 at radio shack |
| 21:35:11 | comfrey | i fryed my netgear using a poor external power suply |
| 21:35:14 | [DrEvil] | rat shack |
| 21:35:22 | comfrey | didnt work with kismet anyway |
| 21:35:37 | comfrey | what is the recomended card? |
| 21:35:38 | whardier | Cloudchaser what did you do? |
| 21:35:39 | [DrEvil] | did you read the kismet documentation? |
| 21:35:54 | comfrey | [DrEvil]: some |
| 21:36:19 | comfrey | netgear not prism 2 based card |
| 21:36:42 | Cloudchaser | you sure it was ext. power supply? which one? |
| 21:36:44 | treke|ho1e | Harlekin: My office mates would hate wopn :) Was watching a divx on it a second ago. Worked pretty well |
| 21:36:56 | nasa | Has anyone noticed that you can't install certain apps (such as bustem) to the sdcard with the new 1.38 rom? |
| 21:37:00 | Harlekin | treke|ho1e: fullscreen? |
| 21:37:01 | comfrey | digipower 8200 |
| 21:37:06 | Cloudchaser | i have 8100 |
| 21:37:10 | treke|ho1e | Harlekin: didnt try full scren |
| 21:37:14 | comfrey | works well? |
| 21:37:19 | Cloudchaser | have used it to charge z a few times without any trouble |
| 21:37:22 | Harlekin | treke|ho1e: thats of course much more fluent |
| 21:37:23 | djk-hw | nasa: you mean the 2.38? |
| 21:37:28 | treke|ho1e | Harlekin: ah it is? |
| 21:37:31 | nasa | Yes, my bad. |
| 21:37:35 | Cloudchaser | but i take it off when z is charged |
| 21:37:45 | Harlekin | treke|ho1e: soure, then the image does not need to be rotated |
| 21:37:55 | comfrey | do you run the Z directly from the 8100? |
| 21:38:08 | treke|ho1e | Harlekin: Well I though full screen would still be full screen portrait |
| 21:38:15 | Cloudchaser | i have while it is charging |
| 21:38:22 | Cloudchaser | not when the charging light goes off though |
| 21:38:25 | Cloudchaser | then i unplug it |
| 21:38:32 | comfrey | hmm... and no problems? |
| 21:38:51 | Harlekin | treke|ho1e: no, it goes to "natural" screen rotation then |
| 21:38:56 | Cloudchaser | haven't needed it more than a couple times |
| 21:38:59 | Harlekin | treke|ho1e: which size does your divx has? |
| 21:39:14 | Cloudchaser | but the few times i did charge it, i didn't have trouble, and i didn't get it until i emailed somoene else who uses it |
| 21:39:16 | Harlekin | treke|ho1e: maybe your office mates prefere WolfFM? |
| 21:39:26 | Cloudchaser | also without troubles |
| 21:39:32 | djk-hw | nasa: There a several packages that don't install to anything other than ROM frustrating |
| 21:39:45 | Cloudchaser | but no i won't vouch for it, or take responsiblity for whether it works or not |
| 21:39:55 | comfrey | Cloudchaser: the dp 8200 outputs 6v Z expects 5v |
| 21:40:16 | nasa | djk-hw: very. Even more so when It use to install onto the sd card.... |
| 21:40:20 | comfrey | i think after the batt is charged the 6v may be too much for the Z |
| 21:40:34 | Cloudchaser | ah the 8100 is for cameras with 4.8 volts |
| 21:40:43 | comfrey | hm... |
| 21:40:51 | comfrey | wll then... |
| 21:41:00 | djk-hw | nasa: hum you had things prior to 2.38 that would install but don't now that's not nice |
| 21:41:03 | Cloudchaser | that could be the difference, no? |
| 21:41:03 | comfrey | perhaps i should look into the 8100 |
| 21:41:13 | treke|ho1e | Harlekin: I 160x128 |
| 21:41:26 | comfrey | could very well be. |
| 21:41:27 | nasa | djk-hw: nope, not nice at all... |
| 21:41:37 | comfrey | http://www.trowcom.co.uk/questbattery.htm |
| 21:41:51 | comfrey | these folks like this one as well |
| 21:42:21 | comfrey | thinks he will trade in his 8200 for an 8100 |
| 21:42:45 | Harlekin | treke|ho1e: should be fluent |
| 21:42:47 | akk | Speaking of batteries -- my Z's battery monitor doesn't seem to move. Does this thing have amazing battery life, or do I have a problem with the battery meter app? |
| 21:42:50 | Cloudchaser | a 100mAh? |
| 21:43:13 | comfrey | akk: it is the apm in the 2.4.4 kernel |
| 21:43:13 | treke|ho1e | Harlekin: its not too bad. Not quite though. Let me try it on my desktop |
| 21:43:22 | comfrey | it sucks |
| 21:43:44 | Harlekin | treke|ho1e: playing from what? |
| 21:43:52 | treke|ho1e | ram |
| 21:43:56 | comfrey | should be able to fix this in later rom releases |
| 21:44:18 | akk | comfrey: Bummer! So there's no way to monitor charge with this rom? |
| 21:44:39 | akk | comfrey: About how long can I let it go before recharging? |
| 21:44:40 | comfrey | well you can just dont expect too much accuracy |
| 21:44:55 | comfrey | akk: depends on what you are doing |
| 21:45:12 | comfrey | listening to mp3s 1 hr if you are lucky |
| 21:45:38 | djk-hw | I use the 8200 no problem |
| 21:45:38 | wParam | really? just an hour? even with the frontlight off and everything |
| 21:45:40 | akk | Really! Okay, I've listened to mp3s for 45 minutes or so and the battery meter didn't move, so I guess I was pushing it. |
| 21:46:12 | comfrey | djk-hw: do you run cf cards with the 8200? |
| 21:46:31 | comfrey | wParam: maybe 1.5hr |
| 21:46:35 | djk-hw | yes cf 10mb socket ethernet and targus 56k modem |
| 21:46:45 | djk-hw | and 256mb cf |
| 21:47:03 | Cloudchaser | comfrey: just your card died? |
| 21:47:06 | Cloudchaser | maybe it was bad card |
| 21:47:15 | Cloudchaser | although..6v i wouldn't want to chance it |
| 21:47:33 | comfrey | djk-hw: do you power directly from 8200 when the batt is charged. |
| 21:47:34 | djk-hw | If I remember right it is more harmful to unpower a device that overpower in voltage that is |
| 21:47:47 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 21:47:53 | comfrey | hmm.. |
| 21:47:54 | Cloudchaser | i don't know power issues much |
| 21:48:09 | comfrey | is learning the wonders of electrons |
| 21:48:16 | Cloudchaser | just havne't had any troubles with 8100, but as i said, i've only had to use it a few times |
| 21:48:16 | djk-hw | keep in mind that you are actually using a portable power supply that is recharging the internal battery and not directly powering the unit |
| 21:48:35 | Cloudchaser | well it powers it while its charging |
| 21:48:38 | djk-hw | so the internal battery will buffer the overage a |
| 21:49:24 | comfrey | djk-hw: right, perhaps my error was to leave the Z plugged into the 8200 after the batt was fully charged |
| 21:49:38 | djk-hw | I beliweve the power is still flowing through the internal battery not direct to the unit so the internal battery is control the real power to the unit |
| 21:50:11 | comfrey | well notice that the led light goesoff after the batt is fully charged |
| 21:50:29 | djk-hw | I would also avoid plugging and unplugging the 8200 with the Z on just a good practice even with the real power supply |
| 21:51:20 | comfrey | i rember reading somewhere (Z general list) that the Zhas strict power requirements because there is no voltage regulation in the z itself |
| 21:51:21 | djk-hw | one of my second hobbies is amatuer radio though a long time since I studied |
| 21:52:10 | djk-hw | Manufactures always want the customer to use their products otherwise void warrentee |
| 21:52:13 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: ping |
| 21:53:36 | comfrey | hmm.. well i did fry a network card and not my Z maybe card was bad, maybe power issues. ? |
| 21:54:01 | djk-hw | whose network card? |
| 21:54:28 | comfrey | my network card (still under 30day return policy thankfully |
| 21:55:05 | djk-hw | I have had the 8200 since April and used it frequently even in the office to do RO upgrades no problems |
| 21:55:20 | djk-hw | what was the make on the network card? |
| 21:55:23 | djk-hw | RO = ROM |
| 21:55:31 | Onyx4|work | hey harlekin |
| 21:55:50 | comfrey | netgear MA701 |
| 21:55:54 | chouimat | re |
| 21:56:03 | Onyx4|work | Harlekin: what's up? |
| 21:56:11 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: retail rom |
| 21:56:14 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: ready to go |
| 21:56:17 | Onyx4|work | it works? :) |
| 21:56:26 | Harlekin | i think so |
| 21:56:26 | comfrey | wireless that is |
| 21:56:31 | Onyx4|work | ok can I test it? |
| 21:56:37 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: thats why i pinged |
| 21:56:48 | Onyx4|work | k |
| 21:56:55 | Onyx4|work | send me a link to download or dcc it to me |
| 21:56:59 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: 217.229.154.106 port 8001 |
| 21:57:04 | Harlekin | its public beta1 |
| 21:57:06 | Harlekin | .) |
| 21:57:44 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: http |
| 21:58:02 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: there are still problems (README :-)) |
| 21:58:04 | Onyx4|work | oops |
| 21:58:10 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: but next beta next week |
| 21:58:31 | Onyx4|work | I have a nice output.avi with higher gamma |
| 21:58:41 | Onyx4|work | nice=new |
| 21:58:56 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 21:58:58 | Harlekin | cool |
| 21:59:00 | Harlekin | wants |
| 21:59:02 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 21:59:20 | Harlekin | i think after beta2 i ll build in a gamma control |
| 21:59:38 | Onyx4|work | good idea, cause gamma setting depends on your backlight |
| 21:59:47 | Onyx4|work | I like to watch movie with 50% light on and higher gamma |
| 21:59:58 | Onyx4|work | that way, the letterbox is black rather than grey |
| 22:00:04 | Harlekin | y |
| 22:00:05 | Onyx4|work | and it saves battery |
| 22:00:18 | Harlekin | or get an ipaq with a full reflexitve display ,-) |
| 22:01:43 | Harlekin | youre getting the matrix trailer? |
| 22:01:48 | Harlekin | 63.194.x.x |
| 22:01:48 | Harlekin | ? |
| 22:02:22 | Cloudchaser | heya rikkus! just noticed you were here |
| 22:02:32 | Onyx4|work | yes |
| 22:02:46 | Onyx4|work | does it run ok? |
| 22:02:52 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: get it from www.pocketmatrix.com |
| 22:02:55 | Harlekin | thats faster |
| 22:02:56 | Harlekin | ,) |
| 22:02:57 | Harlekin | yes |
| 22:03:01 | Onyx4|work | it's almost done :) |
| 22:03:03 | Harlekin | runs absolut fluent |
| 22:03:14 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: 2 mb more -) |
| 22:04:18 | Onyx4|work | so is the icon gonna replace the exiting mpeg player or it's a new one? |
| 22:04:31 | Harlekin | extra |
| 22:04:37 | Onyx4|work | ok |
| 22:04:42 | Harlekin | it will be blue |
| 22:04:47 | Harlekin | and be names opie media player |
| 22:04:53 | Harlekin | at least o hope so |
| 22:04:56 | Harlekin | I |
| 22:06:00 | rikkus | Cloudchaser: hi |
| 22:07:25 | Cloudchaser | did you have a nice weekend rikkus? |
| 22:09:32 | rikkus | not bad |
| 22:09:49 | rikkus | caught up with some old friends |
| 22:09:50 | rikkus | you ? |
| 22:10:30 | Cloudchaser | want' too bad thanks |
| 22:10:39 | Onyx4|work | so If I have the movie in my home dir in /home/root I would need to move it into documents? |
| 22:11:56 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: or just use the open dialog |
| 22:12:14 | Harlekin | for stuff thats automaticly found |
| 22:12:33 | Onyx4|work | if I use the open dialog and click on the "browse" icon I think it crashes |
| 22:12:50 | Harlekin | oh |
| 22:12:53 | Harlekin | libopie |
| 22:12:54 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 22:13:04 | Harlekin | you need that one |
| 22:13:07 | Harlekin | for the open dialog |
| 22:14:58 | Onyx4|work | at first look it seems to work, altough my qtopia keeps on complaining that i'm low on memory even if everything is closed |
| 22:15:03 | Onyx4|work | and I dont use any fast load |
| 22:15:06 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 22:15:11 | Harlekin | i hate that |
| 22:15:23 | Harlekin | mem management on Z is really broken |
| 22:15:40 | Onyx4|work | I have only 8mb used before opening it |
| 22:15:57 | Onyx4|work | does stuff like "lightswtich" and suspend applet takes memory too? |
| 22:16:27 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 22:16:43 | Harlekin | the problem is more that the 2.4.6 has a broken VM that does not free mem |
| 22:16:56 | rikkus | Onyx4|work: yes, but a teensy tiny amount |
| 22:17:01 | Onyx4|work | ok |
| 22:17:08 | craiger | 246 was solid for a long time |
| 22:17:17 | Neo|Work | treke|home: well, RocketElite IS made for the PocketPC primarily... |
| 22:17:24 | Neo|Work | With the dpad you should have 9 buttons, no? |
| 22:17:36 | Cloudchaser | the open dialog doesn't usually work if the file isn't in the right place..but the players will play them (i think that's the way it works |
| 22:17:44 | Cloudchaser | also has to be mime-type for it |
| 22:17:51 | Cloudchaser | er |
| 22:17:55 | Cloudchaser | i said that wrong |
| 22:18:06 | Cloudchaser | you can't tap on them to play them |
| 22:18:16 | Cloudchaser | unless they are where they belong and there's mime type |
| 22:18:21 | Cloudchaser | something like that |
| 22:18:43 | Cloudchaser | maybe someoen else can explain that better |
| 22:20:22 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: btw, the rip looks great |
| 22:20:35 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: can you put up a page which options you use |
| 22:20:43 | Onyx4|work | yeah I get the "not enough memory" all the time, altough the app doesnt crash, just the dialog |
| 22:21:08 | Cloudchaser | Onyx4|work what do you use to rip? |
| 22:21:11 | Onyx4|work | transcode -i $1 -w 215,500,90 -b 64 -J normalize -G 0.7 -V -Z 320x136 -x divx,mp3 -E 22050 |
| 22:21:11 | Onyx4|work | -y xvidcvs $2 $3 $4 -o output.avi |
| 22:21:18 | Onyx4|work | this is my cmdline that's it |
| 22:21:20 | Onyx4|work | only one step |
| 22:21:57 | Onyx4|work | it takes a divx as input and produces a lower bitrate divx |
| 22:22:04 | Onyx4|work | mono sound is still not available in transcode, but it's coming |
| 22:22:06 | Cloudchaser | wheres the file name of what ou want to resize? |
| 22:22:22 | Onyx4|work | when it does i'll reduce the bitrate to 32 for mono sound, right now 64 is minimum for stereo at 22hz |
| 22:22:30 | Onyx4|work | $1 |
| 22:22:33 | Onyx4|work | is the input |
| 22:23:02 | Onyx4|work | $2 $3 and $4 are optional stuff |
| 22:23:11 | Onyx4|work | like range "-c firstframe-endframe" |
| 22:23:14 | Onyx4|work | I use that to make a sample |
| 22:24:07 | Onyx4|work | Harlekin: so how can we get it to have a smaller footprint? |
| 22:24:29 | Onyx4|work | you load on the lib for decoding on demand or you load all the stuff like ogg, etc at start even if ogg isn't used |
| 22:24:32 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: next betas |
| 22:28:41 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: first some more bug fixes |
| 22:28:44 | Harlekin | until weekend |
| 22:28:48 | Harlekin | then mem optimisation |
| 22:28:50 | Harlekin | and speed |
| 22:29:47 | tux_mike | argh! i was on such a roll at work, and all i managed to do now is fix one small bug... |
| 22:31:22 | Onyx4|work | ok I did a clean reboot, and now it doesnt complain about memory anymore, and video is much smoother than on tkcvideo, I dont think it s dropping any frames actually |
| 22:31:37 | Onyx4|work | nice work... |
| 22:32:28 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: windowed or fullscreen? |
| 22:32:39 | Onyx4|work | fs |
| 22:32:40 | wParam | WTF? using the ftp server on the Z isn't supposed ot make it crash, right? |
| 22:32:41 | Harlekin | k |
| 22:32:55 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: but see, thats what i ment with mem prob |
| 22:33:14 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: the 2.4.6 VM does not allways free cache etcx |
| 22:33:21 | Onyx4|work | yes it looks like that |
| 22:33:28 | Cloudchaser | both players work better after reboot |
| 22:33:30 | Harlekin | thats why it was throw out in 2.4.? |
| 22:33:32 | Harlekin | 9 i think |
| 22:33:36 | Onyx4|work | fs or windowed didn't seem to make a diff on mem |
| 22:33:48 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: not if there is enough resever |
| 22:34:11 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: your lotr part plays here at 70% cpu in windowed mode |
| 22:34:24 | Harlekin | and less in fullscreen |
| 22:34:59 | Onyx4|work | I see... |
| 22:35:11 | Onyx4|work | cause in fullscreen there is no rescaling |
| 22:35:21 | Onyx4|work | it's pixel for pixel |
| 22:35:33 | Onyx4|work | no sync issues either, that's good |
| 22:35:37 | Onyx4|work | those are the hardest |
| 22:35:56 | Onyx4|work | can you find how to disable to "light" to go off ? |
| 22:36:08 | Onyx4|work | tkcplayer disables light to go off when playing |
| 22:36:14 | Onyx4|work | tkcvideo I mean :) |
| 22:37:26 | Harlekin | thats what i do to |
| 22:37:27 | Harlekin | o |
| 22:37:38 | Harlekin | light stays on |
| 22:37:41 | Harlekin | on video play |
| 22:37:48 | Harlekin | on audio play it goes of |
| 22:38:20 | Onyx4|work | ok weird it went off during video |
| 22:38:27 | Onyx4|work | oh now I can't quit the program weird |
| 22:38:40 | Harlekin | ? |
| 22:38:43 | Harlekin | hmmm |
| 22:39:07 | Harlekin | could be some retail rom special again |
| 22:39:10 | Harlekin | *sign* |
| 22:39:14 | Onyx4|work | I switched a couple of times from fs to windowed mode, now it won't close when I click on the close icon :) |
| 22:39:27 | Harlekin | the (x) ? |
| 22:40:04 | Harlekin | or the stop button |
| 22:40:34 | Onyx4|work | the (x) |
| 22:40:42 | Harlekin | what happens on stop button |
| 22:40:45 | Onyx4|work | when I click stop, it doesnt bring back the playlist |
| 22:40:50 | Harlekin | hmmmm |
| 22:40:51 | Harlekin | strange |
| 22:41:00 | Onyx4|work | I can go back to it if I click the icon on the taskbar |
| 22:41:03 | Onyx4|work | for the running task |
| 22:41:03 | Harlekin | retail rom is more different then i thought |
| 22:41:23 | Onyx4|work | but even that close button (x) for that one is just closing that window and displaying me the video window |
| 22:42:12 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 22:42:17 | Harlekin | that (x) is only widget close |
| 22:42:19 | Harlekin | not app exit |
| 22:42:21 | Harlekin | gmm |
| 22:42:22 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 22:42:33 | Harlekin | more work the next days |
| 22:42:37 | Harlekin | need to look for that |
| 22:42:41 | Harlekin | man |
| 22:42:54 | Onyx4|work | oh ok wait |
| 22:42:56 | Onyx4|work | I found the problem |
| 22:42:59 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: looks like you need to kill it |
| 22:43:04 | Harlekin | what was it? |
| 22:43:14 | Onyx4|work | instead of clicking on the stop button, I was clicking on "play" again thinking that it would change to a stop button |
| 22:43:26 | Harlekin | no |
| 22:43:29 | Harlekin | that changes to pause |
| 22:43:53 | Onyx4|work | ok once I pressed stop, then it went back to filemanager and I could close it |
| 22:43:58 | Harlekin | k |
| 22:44:04 | Harlekin | try also ogg and mp3 .-) |
| 22:44:07 | Onyx4|work | I think I was paused and was trying to press stop maybe and that didnt work |
| 22:44:09 | Harlekin | or ogg streams |
| 22:44:16 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: ok, also noted |
| 22:44:29 | Harlekin | that stuff we wanted to fix until next monday |
| 22:45:20 | Onyx4|work | when you're paused you probably want the button to change to a "pause symbol" |
| 22:45:43 | Onyx4|work | ok now I tried it again, it works ok when you use it the right way :) |
| 22:45:51 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: actually instead of play, it should be pause, and when hit, (and youre then in pause mode) change to play |
| 22:45:58 | Onyx4|work | yes exactly |
| 22:46:07 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: just make a list whatever you find -) |
| 22:46:15 | Onyx4|work | ok |
| 22:46:22 | Onyx4|work | even after restarting it, no memory problems so far |
| 22:46:33 | Onyx4|work | maybe it's only when you worked on a bunch of other programs before |
| 22:46:40 | Harlekin | yes |
| 22:46:42 | Onyx4|work | or maybe it was tkcvideo that had a mem leak :) |
| 22:46:46 | Onyx4|work | since I run that before I rebooted |
| 22:46:46 | Harlekin | since then the cache is full |
| 22:46:57 | Harlekin | no leak needed |
| 22:47:01 | Harlekin | general problem |
| 22:47:07 | Harlekin | with that old kernel |
| 22:47:22 | Onyx4|work | ok |
| 22:48:18 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: so until next week more gui fixes, then one or 2 weeks speed and mem optimisation |
| 22:48:35 | Harlekin | final in 3 - 4 weeks i guess |
| 22:48:44 | Harlekin | but actually its quite usable allready |
| 22:50:51 | Onyx4|work | ok |
| 22:50:53 | Onyx4|work | yes |
| 22:51:57 | Harlekin | try streaming of mpg, mp3 , ogg too -) |
| 22:52:10 | Onyx4|work | do I have to create a .pls file or how does it work |
| 22:52:16 | Harlekin | no |
| 22:52:17 | Onyx4|work | I tried open url and put http://ip:8000 |
| 22:52:22 | Harlekin | just enter the url |
| 22:52:24 | Harlekin | in there |
| 22:52:28 | Onyx4|work | let me try again |
| 22:52:32 | Harlekin | should work |
| 22:52:36 | Harlekin | make sure its connected to the net |
| 22:52:38 | Harlekin | what is is |
| 22:52:43 | Harlekin | shoutcast? |
| 22:52:43 | Onyx4|work | k |
| 22:52:45 | Onyx4|work | yes |
| 22:52:49 | Harlekin | full url |
| 22:52:54 | Onyx4|work | oh I need to add an extra / right? |
| 22:52:57 | Harlekin | y |
| 22:52:59 | Harlekin | right now |
| 22:53:09 | Onyx4|work | at the end like http://10.1.1.1:8000/ |
| 22:53:13 | Harlekin | y |
| 22:53:16 | Onyx4|work | ok |
| 22:54:25 | ciaolinux | did anyone receive an answer from sharp about the challange? |
| 22:54:39 | treke|ho1e | what kind of answer? |
| 22:55:09 | ciaolinux | treke|ho1e: any answer... since they had problems with the mailbox, i guess it is not easy to get an answer in these days |
| 22:55:10 | Onyx4|work | do you have a timeout on trying to contact network? |
| 22:55:19 | Onyx4|work | looks like it hung cause I typed in an old ip |
| 22:55:21 | treke|ho1e | ciaolinux: I've heard from them in the past |
| 22:55:29 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: hit the (x) |
| 22:55:36 | ciaolinux | treke|ho1e: me too... but now they do not seem to be alive |
| 22:56:14 | Onyx4|work | mm (x) doesn't work, I hit play on top of the playlist and it stayed in that window |
| 22:56:23 | | hmmm... challenge is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 22:56:23 | treke|ho1e | ibot, challenge |
| 22:56:45 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: hmm, as i said i the readme, shoutcast ist still problamatic |
| 22:56:47 | ciaolinux | treke|ho1e: is there any news there? |
| 22:56:49 | Onyx4|work | hehe ok |
| 22:56:50 | treke|ho1e | nope |
| 22:56:52 | Onyx4|work | ill kill it |
| 22:56:56 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: but if you set a working stream |
| 22:56:58 | Harlekin | it works |
| 22:57:53 | ciaolinux | treke|ho1e: so i guess noone has received anything yet, rigth? |
| 22:57:59 | ciaolinux | treke|home: are you in the challange? |
| 22:58:22 | Harlekin | Onyx4|work: hmm, ill catch more bug report from you tomorrow -) |
| 22:58:26 | Onyx4|work | yes it works now |
| 22:58:31 | Onyx4|work | digitally imported ;) |
| 22:58:34 | Harlekin | 2 am, time for bed |
| 22:58:52 | Onyx4|work | k where you from? |
| 22:58:56 | Harlekin | germany |
| 22:58:57 | Harlekin | .) |
| 22:59:01 | Onyx4|work | ok |
| 22:59:07 | Onyx4|work | california here |
| 22:59:10 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 22:59:20 | Harlekin | and youre still at work |
| 22:59:28 | Harlekin | even there you should be home now |
| 22:59:31 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 22:59:36 | Onyx4|work | I work from home on monday |
| 22:59:44 | Harlekin | ,.-) |
| 22:59:45 | Onyx4 | in fact work is over now it's 5pm |
| 23:00:05 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 23:00:38 | Harlekin | ok |
| 23:00:42 | Harlekin | play some more with it |
| 23:00:52 | Harlekin | and make a long list .-) |
| 23:00:59 | Onyx4 | no multiasking problem for shoucast, works great, I can surf the web at same time |
| 23:01:05 | Onyx4 | no drop off like zradio |
| 23:01:12 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 23:01:15 | Harlekin | see |
| 23:01:24 | Onyx4 | yes, ok I'll start writing a buglist |
| 23:01:26 | Harlekin | looks like i am gonna replace a whole buch off apps |
| 23:01:29 | Harlekin | ,) |
| 23:01:53 | Onyx4 | y |
| 23:02:07 | Harlekin | ah |
| 23:02:10 | scanline | is back (gone 06:51:51) |
| 23:02:18 | Harlekin | if you try to play from nfs or mmc |
| 23:02:18 | Harlekin | on ipaq |
| 23:02:21 | Harlekin | that works great |
| 23:02:22 | Harlekin | both |
| 23:02:38 | Harlekin | heard from problems with nfs on zaurus |
| 23:02:45 | Harlekin | kergoth: no more debugging needed |
| 23:02:48 | Onyx4 | I get some memory shortage tough when trying opera at same time... |
| 23:02:58 | Onyx4 | but once optimized for mem, that'd be cool |
| 23:03:06 | kergoth | Harlekin: : yeah i saw the commits. nice. |
| 23:03:21 | Harlekin | Onyx4: yeah, i think 5 mb less mem usage is possible |
| 23:03:22 | Onyx4 | yeah smb is slow too on zaurus |
| 23:03:36 | Harlekin | Onyx4: and also some more speedups |
| 23:03:42 | Harlekin | escpecially in video playback |
| 23:04:06 | Onyx4 | ok |
| 23:04:25 | Onyx4 | I'll try various divx format with it, see if it plays smooth the 320x240 ones |
| 23:04:34 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 23:04:35 | Onyx4 | which is a bit demanding |
| 23:04:43 | Harlekin | and which is best for pda |
| 23:04:48 | Onyx4 | yeah |
| 23:04:49 | Harlekin | that would be cool |
| 23:04:57 | Harlekin | best with the encoding instruction along |
| 23:04:58 | Harlekin | ,) |
| 23:05:08 | Onyx4 | yep |
| 23:05:13 | Harlekin | tnx |
| 23:05:20 | Harlekin | you can also spread the ipks |
| 23:05:37 | Onyx4 | ok, I gave the link to my friend also he's pretty good on linux |
| 23:05:41 | Onyx4 | used to work with me |
| 23:06:44 | TheMasterMind1 | sup |
| 23:06:48 | TheMasterMind1 | Onyx4: hey |
| 23:07:16 | kalldrexx | Is anyone here really good with QT? I desperatly need some health |
| 23:07:17 | kalldrexx | help |
| 23:08:14 | Harlekin | Onyx4: of my server? |
| 23:08:18 | Onyx4 | yes |
| 23:09:01 | Onyx4 | hey mastermind |
| 23:09:25 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 23:09:32 | Harlekin | since that will go offline with me |
| 23:09:42 | Harlekin | but just mail your ipks to him |
| 23:09:47 | Harlekin | or he need to wait until tomorrow |
| 23:09:48 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 23:09:51 | Onyx4 | ok cool |
| 23:11:57 | rikkus | kalldrexx: what's up ? |
| 23:12:23 | kergoth | rikkus: You ever get that cpu applet behaving itself? :-) |
| 23:12:40 | rikkus | kergoth: no, it's quite low priority :) |
| 23:12:52 | kergoth | rikkus: figured, had to ask though |
| 23:13:00 | kalldrexx | rikkus: I"m getting a really wierd segmentation fault |
| 23:13:07 | kergoth | rikkus: theres a weird ass cpu usage bug in oz or opie, trying to nail it down |
| 23:13:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:13:09 | Cloudchaser | well hello kergoth |
| 23:13:11 | Onyx4 | I'm pretty sure I could fit 3 hours on a 256mb card and still look good |
| 23:13:14 | kergoth | hey Cloudchaser, how are ya? |
| 23:13:14 | Onyx4 | I'll try it :) |
| 23:13:24 | Cloudchaser | not too bad for a monday, and you |
| 23:13:30 | kalldrexx | rikkus: heh you think you can help me? i've got whats going on and everything, just cna't figure out why its' seg faulting |
| 23:13:31 | kergoth | same |
| 23:13:51 | rikkus | kalldrexx: if I can see the source, or at least a full backtrace, sure |
| 23:14:03 | kalldrexx | rikkus: yeah I can give you everything you need |
| 23:14:26 | rikkus | kergoth: is it related to the bug where my CF card is never mounted or my Z drops out of qpe into text mode when coming out of suspend ? :} |
| 23:14:39 | rikkus | s/bug/bugs |
| 23:14:51 | kergoth | rikkus: hey, i've never heard those.. you're just .. special |
| 23:14:55 | Cloudchaser | ack! that happens to you? |
| 23:15:09 | rikkus | kalldrexx: ok, well, if you have something that's easy to build, dcc it and I'll try, otherwise /query me the backtrace |
| 23:15:11 | kalldrexx | rikkus: want me to dcc you the zip with the source? |
| 23:15:15 | rikkus | kalldrexx: sure |
| 23:15:16 | kalldrexx | rikkus: ok |
| 23:15:20 | kalldrexx | rikkus: thanks a lot |
| 23:15:43 | rikkus | I fixed the 'never mounts the CF' problem by changing the fs type in fstab to ext2 instead of auto |
| 23:16:00 | kalldrexx | rikkus: letm e zip it up |
| 23:16:07 | kergoth | rikkus: 'auto' wasnt working right? |
| 23:16:13 | rikkus | kergoth: right |
| 23:16:27 | rikkus | kergoth: oh, actually, I think that wasn't the fix |
| 23:16:27 | kergoth | rikkus: hm, wonder if thats a busybox mount problem, or a kernel problem... i'll dig |
| 23:16:35 | kergoth | rikkus: hah, man, its monday, stop confusing me |
| 23:16:36 | rikkus | kergoth: I think I also needed to change the mount options to 'defaults' |
| 23:16:39 | kergoth | rikkus: i'm already easily confused |
| 23:16:52 | kergoth | rikkus: ah yeah, thats it.. I already fixed the options in cvs and in the feed :-) |
| 23:17:01 | rikkus | kergoth: :) |
| 23:17:07 | kergoth | rikkus: your qpe exits on every suspend, or is that random? |
| 23:17:19 | Harlekin | n8 |
| 23:17:26 | kergoth | night Harlekin |
| 23:17:29 | kergoth | sleep well |
| 23:17:34 | Harlekin | hehe hope so |
| 23:17:37 | rikkus | kergoth: on every resume |
| 23:17:47 | rikkus | kergoth: but I suppose it could be the 'resume applet' thing |
| 23:17:54 | kergoth | rikkus: resume applet? |
| 23:18:06 | Cloudchaser | 'night harlekin |
| 23:18:12 | rikkus | it's this thing that ... well, I haven't figured out what it's supposed to do yet :) |
| 23:18:14 | kalldrexx | rikkus: sending... |
| 23:18:31 | TheMasterMind1 | stupid usbdnet |
| 23:18:37 | kergoth | rikkus: hah |
| 23:18:42 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: no kidding |
| 23:18:48 | rikkus | another weird thing, when fsck runs at boot, it gets the wrong parameters for minix |
| 23:18:56 | kergoth | rikkus: yeah, stupid busybox fsck.minix... |
| 23:18:59 | Cloudchaser | kergoth.. did you get top fixed for oz? |
| 23:18:59 | rikkus | as evidenced by fsck.minix giving its usage info |
| 23:19:13 | rikkus | deinstalls that resume applet thing |
| 23:19:23 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: yeah i just rebuilt it.. I forgot about it though.. thanks for the reminder, i'll build an ipk |
| 23:19:42 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: see the issue is, the sharp rom uses ncurses4, OZ uses ncurses5.. its the only real possible compatibility issue |
| 23:19:47 | Cloudchaser | ok maybe that will help shed some light on it |
| 23:19:52 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 23:19:55 | kergoth | yeah that cpu usage one is weird |
| 23:19:59 | kergoth | s/one/bug/ |
| 23:20:05 | fusion94 | kergoth: so downgrade oz's version |
| 23:20:06 | Cloudchaser | i think it might be ipkg |
| 23:20:10 | kergoth | fusion94: ? |
| 23:20:20 | kergoth | fusion94: oh, yeh |
| 23:20:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:20:23 | kergoth | is dense today |
| 23:20:30 | rikkus | Cloudchaser: could be. I've had to kill it sometimes. |
| 23:20:44 | fusion94 | that'll fix any compatability issues :P |
| 23:20:55 | kergoth | fusion94: see the thing is.. i either maintain compatibilty with sharp using ncurses4, or with familiar using 5.. |
| 23:21:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:21:04 | kergoth | ah well |
| 23:21:26 | kergoth | regardless, i'll just build a ncurses4 compatibility ipk |
| 23:21:32 | kergoth | that people can install if their app needs it |
| 23:21:34 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:22:24 | Cloudchaser | if they know what it is causing the problem kergoth :) |
| 23:22:42 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: ? |
| 23:22:44 | Cloudchaser | i'd not know that top needs certain version of ncurses |
| 23:22:55 | rikkus | kalldrexx: you could have done a 'make clean' before sending :P |
| 23:23:05 | kalldrexx | rikkus: heh sorry dind't htink about that |
| 23:23:15 | kergoth | well, *that* binary was built against libncurses4, not 5.. and apparently 4 isnt fully *binary* compatible with 5 |
| 23:23:56 | fusion94 | heh |
| 23:24:12 | fusion94 | both my Z's are still vigin..i havent installed any software on them... |
| 23:24:15 | rikkus | kergoth: ok, it was that resumeguard applet fscking things up, fixed now |
| 23:24:22 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: so to clarify, that top binary needs a certain version of ncurses, not top in general |
| 23:24:25 | kergoth | rikkus: ahh gotcha |
| 23:24:45 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone else having problems with usbdnet suddenly stop functioning? |
| 23:24:51 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: usbdnet is a piece of shit |
| 23:25:00 | rikkus | TheMasterMind1: yes |
| 23:25:02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: I've seen it oops, cause ifconfig to hang indefinately.. all sorts of weird shit |
| 23:25:22 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 23:25:23 | TheMasterMind1 | fuck it then |
| 23:25:27 | TheMasterMind1 | i should use ppp over usb? |
| 23:25:40 | kergoth | you can.. but i remember that being unstable too :-) |
| 23:25:42 | rikkus | kalldrexx: so, how to reproduce the bug ? |
| 23:25:49 | akk | Has anyone tried to write a simple usb userspace driver for the zaurus? Is the protocol open enough? |
| 23:25:59 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hmm what am i supposed to use then? |
| 23:26:10 | akk | To sync it or transfer files, that is, instead of using usbdnet. |
| 23:26:18 | kalldrexx | rikkus: just run it and press start game |
| 23:26:26 | kalldrexx | rikkus: in qtopia envriorment of course |
| 23:26:38 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: what do you use? |
| 23:26:50 | kergoth | akk: umm, not userspace |
| 23:26:57 | kergoth | akk: and there are other ethernet over usb alternatives |
| 23:27:13 | kergoth | akk: such as the 'usbnet' driver which communicates with the 'usb-eth' device side driver that ipaq uses |
| 23:27:19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: wireless ;-) |
| 23:27:23 | TheMasterMind1 | bah |
| 23:27:25 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and usbdnet when i have to |
| 23:27:26 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:27:28 | TheMasterMind1 | i need more money for my wireless |
| 23:27:32 | kergoth | yeah i hate that |
| 23:27:32 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:28:10 | akk | TheMasterMind1: I got a CF card and have been using that (with a usb adaptor). |
| 23:28:14 | rikkus | kalldrexx: well, you're trying to insert into a C-style array via a pointer which hasn't even been set to anything |
| 23:28:28 | kalldrexx | rikkus: what do you mean? |
| 23:28:30 | rikkus | kalldrexx: use a Qt collection class, e.g. QValueList or QPtrList instead |
| 23:28:45 | rikkus | kalldrexx: UnitManager::unit is a pointer, but you don't initialise it to anything |
| 23:29:00 | kergoth | hey prpplague |
| 23:29:03 | sdx | how i send with a QCopChannel the data argument that is a QDateTime,QCString,QCString,int? |
| 23:29:07 | kalldrexx | rikkus: isnt' that what the new does? |
| 23:29:17 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 23:29:25 | TheMasterMind1 | qt desktop is taking FOREVER to compile |
| 23:29:29 | TheMasterMind1 | even longer than |
| 23:29:37 | TheMasterMind1 | i've done three kernels and its still going |
| 23:29:44 | sdx | can anyone answer? |
| 23:29:46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ? you mean qt/x11? or qt/e? |
| 23:29:51 | rikkus | kalldrexx: no, that creates a new Unit. You need to create the C array before you use it. Either that, or make it a value rather than a pointer. Or, better, use a proper collection class. |
| 23:29:52 | TheMasterMind1 | qt/x11 |
| 23:30:00 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:30:02 | kergoth | qt takes a bit |
| 23:30:03 | TheMasterMind1 | i stopped it now. probably won't need/use it anyway |
| 23:30:07 | kergoth | qt3 takes a *long* ass time |
| 23:30:21 | rikkus | kalldrexx: e.g. QPtrList<Unit> unitList |
| 23:30:21 | sdx | i must add an alarm to qpe/system |
| 23:30:29 | TheMasterMind1 | so who wants to gimme $400 for my wireless and cf/sd stuff ;D |
| 23:30:48 | Cloudchaser | maybe your mother? |
| 23:30:54 | Tenchi | yo momma |
| 23:30:56 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:31:05 | TheMasterMind1 | i think i might find a client |
| 23:31:07 | | tenchi: wish i knew |
| 23:31:07 | Tenchi | ibot: yo mamma ? |
| 23:31:18 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone know anyone who needs a php programmer? |
| 23:31:30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: if i did, i'd take the job myself ;-) |
| 23:31:36 | chouimat | the qt eguivalent of JFrame? |
| 23:31:37 | kergoth | needs to get out of tech support *desperately* |
| 23:31:40 | rikkus | TheMasterMind1: lots of lame little linux-fan websites ? |
| 23:31:46 | Tenchi | lol |
| 23:31:49 | TheMasterMind1 | rikkus: if they pay, sure.. |
| 23:31:54 | kalldrexx | rikkus: I don't see QPtrList in the qt docs |
| 23:31:56 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm. maybe i can sync over IR |
| 23:31:56 | ciaolinux | kergoth: tech support for zaurus? |
| 23:32:08 | kergoth | ciaolinux: nah, unix support for a company that makes *serial ports* |
| 23:32:10 | kergoth | ciaolinux: argh |
| 23:32:12 | kergoth | ciaolinux: heheh |
| 23:32:18 | | fusion94: bugger all, i dunno |
| 23:32:18 | fusion94 | ibot: uo momma ? |
| 23:32:18 | rikkus | kalldrexx: in Qt 2 it's called QList |
| 23:32:22 | | yo momma is kergoth |
| 23:32:22 | fusion94 | ibot: yo momma ? |
| 23:32:28 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:32:29 | kalldrexx | rikkus: oh Qlist... |
| 23:32:30 | ciaolinux | kergoth: good salary? ;-) |
| 23:32:47 | kergoth | ciaolinux: i wish :-) |
| 23:33:01 | TheMasterMind1 | rofl. serial ports? |
| 23:33:04 | TheMasterMind1 | like the hardware ports? |
| 23:33:24 | ciaolinux | kergoth: good luck then! :-) |
| 23:33:24 | kergoth | hehe. thanks |
| 23:33:29 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:33:47 | ciaolinux | for what kind of machine? |
| 23:33:51 | ciaolinux | pc? |
| 23:33:53 | kergoth | like a board that can have 448 ports on it.. that type of thing |
| 23:34:01 | Cloudchaser | yes good luck..i'd hire you if i was in that type of position |
| 23:34:01 | kergoth | pc, or sparc, or whatever else |
| 23:34:06 | | i heard yo momma was kergoth and my daddy is JasonNJ |
| 23:34:06 | fusion94 | ibot: yo momma ? |
| 23:34:12 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 23:34:17 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:34:24 | kergoth | fusion94: you have too much time on your hands, my friend |
| 23:34:28 | kergoth | fusion94: get to work ;-) |
| 23:34:32 | fusion94 | dude |
| 23:34:39 | fusion94 | i got up before you were awake... |
| 23:34:40 | scanline | fusion94: go watch some anime :) |
| 23:34:43 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:34:46 | fusion94 | and i'm 2 time zones over |
| 23:34:56 | ciaolinux | kergoth: so who are the customers? |
| 23:34:57 | | serial ports are like money in the bank |
| 23:34:57 | Tenchi | ibot: serial ports? |
| 23:35:02 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:35:02 | fusion94 | scanline: nah....well...shit i got titan AE |
| 23:35:02 | TheMasterMind1 | i found this lirc ipkg for the zaurus the other day |
| 23:35:06 | TheMasterMind1 | to control stuff |
| 23:35:07 | fusion94 | i should watch that |
| 23:35:10 | scanline | fusion94: that's not anime :P |
| 23:35:12 | kergoth | ciaolinux: mostly old customers who havent yet switched to ethernet |
| 23:35:18 | fusion94 | no |
| 23:35:21 | fusion94 | it's better |
| 23:35:23 | kergoth | ciaolinux: the ones using SCO Unix servers with their dumb terminals |
| 23:35:35 | kalldrexx | rikkus: thanks |
| 23:35:36 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:36:05 | Tenchi | kergoth: can you get me some cheap console server cards for my sbus sparcs ? |
| 23:36:28 | kergoth | Tenchi: I dont think we produce sbus cards anymore :-) |
| 23:36:35 | kergoth | Tenchi: i'd say ebay is your best bet.. hehe. |
| 23:36:45 | Tenchi | dont you have any old ones laying around anywhere ? |
| 23:36:52 | | kergoth is the serial port pimp |
| 23:36:52 | Tenchi | ibot: kergoth? |
| 23:37:03 | kergoth | i have one in my sbus sparc in my cube, but thats about it |
| 23:37:05 | | scanline: wish i knew |
| 23:37:05 | scanline | ibot: Tenchi? |
| 23:37:08 | kergoth | not much for spare hardware laying around |
| 23:37:20 | | kergoth: I forgot kergoth |
| 23:37:20 | kergoth | ibot: forget kergoth |
| 23:37:28 | | scanline: no idea |
| 23:37:28 | scanline | ibot: Menchi? |
| 23:37:43 | ciaolinux | kergoth: is there a solaris version of qtopia? is anyone trying to port it? |
| 23:37:52 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 23:37:52 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth is the serial port pimp | <reply> Go away or I'll replace you with a very small busybox function. | at kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 23:37:57 | | Go away or I'll replace you with a very small busybox function. |
| 23:37:57 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth? |
| 23:37:57 | Tenchi | how many ports does the sbus card support ? |
| 23:38:00 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:38:29 | kergoth | Tenchi: depends on the board |
| 23:38:30 | kergoth | hey bipolar |
| 23:38:39 | kergoth | ciaolinux: not to my knowledge.. who knows, drop TT an email |
| 23:38:49 | bipolar | kergoth: whats up? |
| 23:38:54 | kergoth | nada |
| 23:38:58 | kergoth | takin it easy |
| 23:38:59 | kergoth | yourself? |
| 23:39:07 | ciaolinux | i did... they told me that they know that there is someone working on it but they couldn't be more precise |
| 23:39:13 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:39:28 | bipolar | kergoth: ditto. Just got back from getting my Jeep aligned. |
| 23:39:47 | bipolar | kergoth: getting ready for a trip to IL on thursday night. |
| 23:39:53 | kergoth | ah nice. |
| 23:40:32 | bipolar | The damned toe-in was 1/4" out of spec |
| 23:40:32 | bipolar | started to eat the tyres. |
| 23:41:16 | bipolar | I'm gonna chill out in the bedroom..... I'll stop in again later. |
| 23:44:22 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.rit.edu/~tfs1812/ |
| 23:45:19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ... ? |
| 23:47:48 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: it looks cool ;D |
| 23:48:04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the remote? |
| 23:48:09 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 23:48:17 | kergoth | its part of opie now |
| 23:48:24 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 23:48:24 | TheMasterMind1 | cool |
| 23:48:29 | kergoth | spiralman, the guy behind it, is in #opie most of the time |
| 23:48:30 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:48:32 | TheMasterMind1 | isn't opie a part of Z ? |
| 23:48:35 | TheMasterMind1 | err |
| 23:48:35 | TheMasterMind1 | oz |
| 23:48:39 | kergoth | yeah it is |
| 23:48:40 | | somebody said opie was the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info can be found at http://opie.handhelds.org or in the #opie channel. or at http://www.opie.info or at http://www.opie.us or most important at http://www.opie.info or please read the installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org:80/wiki/index.php3?OpieInstallation |
| 23:48:40 | kergoth | ibot: opie? |
| 23:48:42 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 23:48:45 | kergoth | bbiaf, Im gonna read a book |
| 23:48:51 | TheMasterMind1 | alright. later |
| 23:49:14 | ljp | heh that ibot opie thing seem sto be growing longer |
| 23:49:21 | nasa | Hey, that remote -- is it any good with the Z? I thought IR on the Z was really short... |
| 23:49:52 | ljp | it is a very short distance |
| 23:50:42 | nasa | So the remote would have very limited uses -- like the distance from which your hand could touch the dial.... |
| 23:51:52 | ljp | hehe ya |
| 23:52:06 | ljp | on the zaurus anyway |
| 23:52:18 | nasa | ah well... |
| 23:55:45 | wParam | the zaurus broke usb on my machine AGAIN |
| 23:56:29 | wParam | stupid thing keeps hanging when I download things form it with ftp |
| 23:56:52 | wParam | and sometimes, it takes out my mouse with it when I take it out of the cradle |
| 23:57:19 | djk-hw | anybody got nessus running on the Z yet? |
| 23:58:24 | ljp | whats that? |
| 23:58:35 | djk-hw | nessus? |
| 23:59:04 | djk-hw | a security scanning tool to find open vulnerabilities |
| 23:59:09 | djk-hw | on hosts |
| 23:59:44 | ljp | ahh |
| 23:59:53 | djk-hw | http://www.nessus.org |
