| 00:03:26 | sig | sup roge99_laptop |
| 00:05:10 | Speedy2 | Hey all! |
| 00:05:13 | Speedy2 | My PCB etched! |
| 00:06:22 | sig | what is this aim 30% warning crap i get from some users? |
| 00:06:45 | ljp | Speedy2: what are you making? |
| 00:06:48 | Speedy2 | http://dag.net/~speedy2/bchrg_rev0.jpg |
| 00:08:05 | ljp | The requested URL /peedy2/bchrg_rev0.jpg was not found on this server. |
| 00:08:11 | Speedy2 | umm |
| 00:08:15 | Speedy2 | I'm looking at it now |
| 00:08:18 | Speedy2 | "speedy2" |
| 00:08:22 | Speedy2 | It's in /~speedy2 |
| 00:08:45 | Rascal | what the hell is that an avr? |
| 00:08:58 | Rascal | are you gonna try to hack dish with your zaurus? |
| 00:09:22 | Speedy2 | uhh |
| 00:09:22 | Speedy2 | NO |
| 00:09:34 | Rascal | what is that? |
| 00:09:43 | treke|ho1e | looks like a battery charger |
| 00:09:57 | Speedy2 | Prototype for one |
| 00:10:08 | ljp | hmm stil cant get it |
| 00:10:15 | Speedy2 | http://dag.net/~speedy2/bchrg_rev0.jpg |
| 00:10:29 | Rascal | battery charger? for what? |
| 00:10:34 | Speedy2 | For everything |
| 00:11:12 | Rascal | cool. well congrats |
| 00:11:15 | Speedy2 | Thank you |
| 00:11:20 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 00:11:27 | ljp | hmmm nadda here |
| 00:11:28 | Speedy2 | It's been about 3 yrs since I made one |
| 00:11:41 | Speedy2 | no "www.dag.net" |
| 00:11:46 | Speedy2 | It's just http://dag.net |
| 00:11:56 | ljp | yep.. just as your wrote |
| 00:12:47 | Speedy2 | Ok, everyone else can get to it... |
| 00:13:14 | ljp | hmmm |
| 00:13:16 | ljp | odd |
| 00:13:38 | ljp | you pump spam from there ? ;) |
| 00:13:59 | treke|ho1e | awwww. how cute |
| 00:14:15 | Speedy2 | ljp: No. |
| 00:17:06 | ljp | guess I'm shut out |
| 00:17:15 | Speedy2 | ljp: I dunno. |
| 00:18:15 | ljp | I see http://dag.net |
| 00:18:31 | ljp | and topfloor.html |
| 00:18:36 | Speedy2 | ljp: Goto /~speedy2 |
| 00:18:37 | siriusnova | sweet, im in VNC on my Zaurus doing VNC to my Computer. |
| 00:19:29 | siriusnova | vnc rocks! |
| 00:19:44 | sig | neat |
| 00:20:21 | ljp | hmm thats odd.. ksirc is corrupting that url |
| 00:20:51 | ljp | weird.. |
| 00:21:28 | siriusnova | cool now i can access pron via vnc to my desktop |
| 00:21:29 | ljp | it didnt show the '~' |
| 00:22:10 | siriusnova | heheheh |
| 00:22:56 | ljp | this ksirc is messed up |
| 00:23:21 | ljp | I see /peedy2 instead of /~speedy2 |
| 00:23:41 | Speedy2 | Maybe you could have opened Mozilla and just typed it in? |
| 00:23:41 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 00:24:29 | ljp | I couldn't becuase it doesnt show it correctly |
| 00:24:34 | Speedy2 | oh, I see |
| 00:24:47 | ljp | even after I typed that in.. |
| 00:25:48 | ljp | and here you were thinking I was retarded |
| 00:29:30 | Speedy2 | Well..."speedy2" is implied from my nick... |
| 00:30:41 | | Rascal: what? |
| 00:30:41 | Rascal | ibot pr0n |
| 00:30:45 | | Rascal: i'm not following you... |
| 00:30:45 | Rascal | ibot porn |
| 00:30:53 | | rascal: bugger all, i dunno |
| 00:30:53 | Rascal | ibot what's a good porn site? |
| 00:31:01 | | rascal: bugger all, i dunno |
| 00:31:01 | Rascal | ibot do you know anything? |
| 00:36:11 | warmi | re |
| 00:37:08 | sig | who uses figlet? |
| 00:37:15 | sig | /exec -o figlet? |
| 00:37:50 | treke|ho1e | /exec -o figlet Text you want printed |
| 00:39:06 | Neo|Work | Neo Go Home. |
| 00:39:07 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 00:40:48 | ][N-Flux | is back (gone 02:07:41) |
| 00:45:33 | Cloudchaser | - |
| 01:04:47 | W|GGL|T | . |
| 01:04:57 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 01:05:02 | W|GGL|T | hi |
| 01:05:09 | W|GGL|T | what's up? |
| 01:05:40 | Cloudchaser | nothing much |
| 01:05:52 | Cloudchaser | waiting to try out oz |
| 01:06:07 | Cloudchaser | kinda discouraged with the z at the moment |
| 01:06:08 | kergoth | re |
| 01:06:13 | Cloudchaser | well hello there ;) |
| 01:06:19 | kergoth | hey.. |
| 01:06:23 | kergoth | opie is in the rootfs :-) |
| 01:06:34 | Cloudchaser | is that good? |
| 01:06:36 | kergoth | unfortunately the socket/spectrum drivers are being a pain |
| 01:06:40 | kergoth | yes |
| 01:06:55 | kergoth | but this isnt.. as jason and others need the socket driver.. i think i solved the problem, but its building now. i'll find out shortly |
| 01:08:09 | Speedy2 | kergoth: check /msg |
| 01:09:08 | roue | hi |
| 01:09:20 | inomine | lo |
| 01:09:33 | roue | saw a zaurus for $313 today (new) and am sorely tempted to get it. |
| 01:09:47 | roue | what do the folks who've lived with them think? |
| 01:10:20 | inomine | go for it, i havent used a zaurus but my ipaq is running a ver os the same os and it rocks |
| 01:10:24 | warmi | for $300 ? |
| 01:10:31 | warmi | that's cheap like dirt man |
| 01:10:33 | roue | at best buy no less |
| 01:10:33 | Cloudchaser | grumbles |
| 01:10:53 | warmi | just a month ago they were selling them for close to $500 |
| 01:10:58 | roue | i know. |
| 01:11:03 | warmi | I think naysayers are right .. |
| 01:11:07 | roue | has me a little worried. like they're dumping it |
| 01:11:09 | Cloudchaser | i paid 459 for mine |
| 01:11:28 | warmi | either new models are coming or BB is just trying to get rid of this stuff |
| 01:11:44 | roue | I've only played with 'em in the store, how do you guys like 'em? |
| 01:11:46 | warmi | roue: yeah .. who knows , they might be dumping it |
| 01:11:53 | warmi | I like it a lot |
| 01:11:53 | roue | I'm most concerned about the battery life. |
| 01:11:54 | inomine | most likely the new 400mhz models |
| 01:12:10 | warmi | way "cuter" than PPC but there are problems with it |
| 01:12:17 | roue | like what? |
| 01:12:39 | inomine | i think ppc has more problems than the zaurus |
| 01:12:40 | warmi | like way it handles documents is completely f*** up |
| 01:12:56 | roue | you mean hancom word? |
| 01:12:59 | warmi | if you install a game with lots of graphic files ... these files will show up in your documents tab |
| 01:13:03 | warmi | cluttering it terribly |
| 01:13:06 | warmi | stuff like that |
| 01:13:11 | inomine | admittedly yes the documents side is fucked but hey... |
| 01:13:24 | warmi | not to mention qinstall which is terrible |
| 01:13:35 | warmi | but still .. I like it overall a lot |
| 01:13:53 | roue | I've currently got a psion 5mx that I really like. think the zaurus is a good replacement? |
| 01:14:06 | roue | would it make more sense to wait? |
| 01:14:09 | warmi | I don't know .. never had psion |
| 01:14:12 | inomine | depends waht you use it for |
| 01:14:32 | inomine | if you do a lot of worprocessing no |
| 01:14:37 | warmi | anyone knows if current opie cvs has any problems as far as compiling etc . |
| 01:14:38 | roue | little perl tinkering, cgi stuff, basic organizer stuff. |
| 01:14:38 | warmi | ? |
| 01:15:02 | kergoth | warmi: i just built it about 10 minutes ago |
| 01:15:18 | kergoth | warmi: cvs from this afternoon some time |
| 01:15:27 | inomine | roue: the basic organiser stuff works near perfect |
| 01:15:54 | roue | i never sync my psion ... just move stuff via CF |
| 01:15:56 | kergoth | hmm i hope i fixed the symbol shit..hmm |
| 01:16:05 | inomine | roue: the keyboard on the zaurus is not too bad but not good for writing more than an email or 2 |
| 01:16:11 | roue | what's the battery life like? |
| 01:16:21 | roue | 1 hour with the backlight sounds terrible. |
| 01:17:06 | warmi | I set $OPIE to point to /opt/opie but I can see it still uses /includes from my Qtopia dir /opt/Qtopia .. |
| 01:17:17 | warmi | kergoth: does OPIE use $QPEDIR in any way ? |
| 01:17:21 | inomine | sos no idea... im really an ipaq user who used a zaurus for a couple of hours |
| 01:17:29 | kergoth | warmi: set $OPIEDIR not $OPIE.. and it woulndt hurt to set QPEDIR as well |
| 01:17:41 | warmi | I meant $OPIEDIR |
| 01:17:48 | warmi | ok .. I wil change QPEDIR as well |
| 01:19:29 | roue | so most of you say go for it, then, eh? |
| 01:20:00 | kergoth | roue: i would |
| 01:20:35 | kergoth | woooot the socket/symbol driver change worked |
| 01:20:42 | kergoth | now, to flash a final test prior to release |
| 01:20:44 | kergoth | wish me luck |
| 01:20:53 | warmi | hjehe |
| 01:20:56 | warmi | good luck then |
| 01:21:40 | inomine | roue: if it wasnt for the fact i invested so much in my ipaq i would buy 1 |
| 01:21:56 | Cloudchaser | good luck kergoth! |
| 01:22:55 | roue | thanks, I appreciate your opinions. |
| 01:23:48 | ljp | opinions? |
| 01:23:53 | inomine | does any1 know if it is possible to dl opera for opie? (i have an ipaq) |
| 01:23:59 | ljp | nope |
| 01:24:12 | inomine | bugger |
| 01:24:14 | treke|ho1e | roue: One thing you might want to do is download and compile opie on your desktop using QT Virtual Frame buffer. It gives you a good feel for what the Zaurus will be like, give or take some features |
| 01:24:30 | treke|ho1e | ( or qtopia from ftp.trolltech.com ) |
| 01:25:08 | inomine | is qtopia still in official development even? |
| 01:25:16 | treke|ho1e | inomine: sure |
| 01:25:29 | treke|ho1e | inomine: Troll Tech hopes to make good money off of it |
| 01:25:36 | inomine | jsut seems their website has been the same for months |
| 01:25:44 | W|GGL|T | ouch...just burned my tongue on hot chowder |
| 01:25:44 | treke|ho1e | inomine: It has |
| 01:25:59 | inomine | and they have v buggy 3850 support |
| 01:26:10 | ljp | great googlie-moogile! |
| 01:26:32 | ljp | err mooglie |
| 01:26:32 | treke|ho1e | inomine: Remember, their binaries are for 1.4.0. That is an ancient version |
| 01:27:08 | inomine | treke: oh, ok i havent worked up the point of compiling apps for it from cvs yet |
| 01:27:35 | inomine | treke: are the new vers any good? |
| 01:27:43 | treke|ho1e | Their CVS is much more up to date. |
| 01:27:47 | warmi | ljp: I have Qtopia and Qte installed into /opt/Qtopia .. despite both $OPIEDIR and $QPEDIR being set to /opt/opie ... headers like Global.h still are being pulled from /opt/Qtopia |
| 01:27:55 | treke|ho1e | I havent used their cvs since OPIE was started |
| 01:28:04 | warmi | of course this is where my $QTDIR points since qte is tehre |
| 01:28:34 | warmi | let me check this stuff again . |
| 01:28:40 | warmi | make sure I have everything set correctly |
| 01:28:46 | inomine | treke: i havent used since it totally screwed my system over |
| 01:29:06 | treke|ho1e | how did it screw your system over? |
| 01:29:59 | jmhodges | hyea |
| 01:30:13 | inomine | by not knowing which packages to install from where and then not dorting all depends leaving me with a non working system, never mind that the packages descriptions didnt match the names |
| 01:32:15 | inomine | does the cf lan card for the zaurus work in the ipaq? as i havent seen an equivalent cf type card for the ipaq |
| 01:32:31 | kergoth | inomine: there are numerous cf lan cards, that will work in either |
| 01:32:43 | kergoth | inomine: as a matter of fact, openzaurus even uses the same drivers as ipaq. |
| 01:33:16 | kergoth | damn, i need to update the bug tracker on the OZ sf project. i fixed like 12 of them today |
| 01:33:18 | inomine | im just looking atm anyway as the cf sleeve and 128mb card cost me enough as it is |
| 01:33:31 | kergoth | ah yeah |
| 01:33:36 | kergoth | extras do get expensive |
| 01:35:00 | inomine | now that i got linux running im starting to think a stowaway keyboard is a good idea.. there goes another 100 |
| 01:37:25 | kergoth | ljp: did you take a look at drw's tab widget? looks nice. |
| 01:39:16 | warmi | kergoth: do you have Trolls Qtopia installed ? |
| 01:39:33 | warmi | OPIE seems to be compiling fine now |
| 01:39:50 | kergoth | nah i'm using opie |
| 01:39:56 | kergoth | woot.. the new rom looks solid. |
| 01:40:07 | Cloudchaser | yahoo. |
| 01:40:14 | Cloudchaser | figures its time for me to go to bed |
| 01:40:25 | kergoth | lol |
| 01:40:30 | kergoth | shit always takes me longer than it should |
| 01:40:48 | jmh|nwn | kergoth: hehe does this mean we should expect it out tomorrow? |
| 01:40:51 | jmh|nwn | the rom i mean |
| 01:41:03 | kergoth | jmh|nwn: nope, i'll upload it to sf in a few mins here |
| 01:41:10 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:41:10 | jmh|nwn | SWEEEEET |
| 01:41:13 | jmh|nwn | OH MAN |
| 01:41:36 | jmh|nwn | thanks guys! |
| 01:42:54 | inomine | looks at opie cvs compile instruction and decides to give it a shot... it cant be harder than getting xine to compile |
| 01:43:04 | treke|ho1e | bah its simple |
| 01:43:07 | jmh|nwn | kergoth: so the zImages are the same? |
| 01:43:18 | warmi | well, it is simply to do it from scratch |
| 01:43:29 | warmi | simple even |
| 01:43:39 | jmh|nwn | cause im still seeing the beta7 |
| 01:43:42 | inomine | treke: i spent about 2 hpours getting xine to compile and run |
| 01:43:43 | warmi | just time consuming |
| 01:43:49 | jmh|nwn | and that the last update was in May |
| 01:43:53 | jmh|nwn | hrm.. |
| 01:43:59 | treke|ho1e | yeah, opie is fricken huge |
| 01:44:19 | warmi | smaller than qte but still rather big |
| 01:44:38 | jmh|nwn | warmi: where do i grab this new rom? im not finding it at sf :/ |
| 01:44:38 | treke|ho1e | you sure? |
| 01:44:56 | treke|ho1e | I'd think that opie was much bigger than qte |
| 01:44:57 | warmi | I have no clue man .... I gues kergoth would know |
| 01:45:04 | warmi | of course .. |
| 01:45:07 | kergoth | jmh|nwn: existing zImages will work fine, but I'm going to upload new ones to fix the new linksys card issue |
| 01:45:07 | jmh|nwn | hehe |
| 01:45:11 | jmh|nwn | ok |
| 01:45:17 | warmi | qte is much bigger |
| 01:45:21 | kergoth | jmh|nwn: its not on SF yet, there's a delay.. i havent uploaded them yet anyway. pateince |
| 01:45:22 | jmh|nwn | kergoth: all im seeing is the data from 5/19 |
| 01:45:30 | jmh|nwn | kergoth: sf is saying that there has been no change |
| 01:45:34 | kergoth | jmh|nwn: thats beacuse thats the last rom |
| 01:45:42 | kergoth | jmh|nwn: the feed however has shitloads of updates |
| 01:45:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:45:53 | warmi | jmh|nwn: according to your nick .. you have been playing NWN since like last week or so |
| 01:45:54 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:45:54 | jmh|nwn | OOOOH |
| 01:45:55 | kergoth | people running old vers can update to latest via the feed, always. |
| 01:45:59 | jmh|nwn | hehehe warmi |
| 01:46:07 | jmh|nwn | aaaah |
| 01:46:16 | jmh|nwn | so i need to boot into linxu :) |
| 01:46:26 | warmi | jmh|nwn: you are going to load up the new ROM ? |
| 01:46:35 | jmh|nwn | warmi: yeah |
| 01:46:54 | kergoth | need to write up an announcement to the various lists. |
| 01:46:55 | warmi | the few, the proud ... |
| 01:46:59 | jmh|nwn | sweet kergoth |
| 01:47:02 | warmi | well, I am gonna stay with Sharp for now |
| 01:47:06 | jmh|nwn | warmi: hehehe the beta testers |
| 01:47:14 | warmi | will just code for X86 OPIE |
| 01:47:15 | kergoth | oz has been beta since its creation :-) |
| 01:47:31 | jmh|nwn | well yeah :) thats part of the allure |
| 01:47:34 | kergoth | hah |
| 01:48:11 | kergoth | jmh|nwn: okay I'll start uploading the initrd now.. the zImages will take a bit because it has to compile all 7 of them |
| 01:48:22 | jmh|nwn | sweet :) |
| 01:48:30 | jmh|nwn | well ill just update over the net then.. :P |
| 01:48:31 | warmi | 7 of them ? |
| 01:48:33 | warmi | wtf ? |
| 01:48:38 | inomine_ | why 7? |
| 01:48:38 | jmh|nwn | well.. nah maybe |
| 01:48:41 | jmh|nwn | ah hell |
| 01:48:49 | jmh|nwn | ill play some nwn and decide what to do later |
| 01:49:18 | warmi | I got to create new qte dir with includes and libs ... |
| 01:49:34 | warmi | the one I have has qpe dir in it and that fucks up OPIE configure |
| 01:49:41 | inomine_ | is nwn on linux yet? |
| 01:49:51 | W|GGL|T | i dont think so |
| 01:49:53 | jmh|nwn | sigh no |
| 01:49:57 | jmh|nwn | is not happy with them |
| 01:50:01 | inomine_ | bugger |
| 01:50:02 | kergoth | warmi: one for no ramdisk for 5000d, one for 5500, then the stock 5.. 20-12, 26-6, 32-32, 40-24, and 48-16 |
| 01:50:02 | warmi | it starts pulling Qtopia headers from there even if $OPIEDIR and $QPEDIR are pointing to /opt/opie dir |
| 01:50:06 | jmh|nwn | and my binary winex (that should install it) doesnt |
| 01:50:08 | inomine_ | ill just wait |
| 01:50:09 | jmh|nwn | :( |
| 01:50:11 | warmi | kergoth: ah ok |
| 01:50:16 | jmh|nwn | so my win part gets some use |
| 01:50:19 | warmi | this is really nasty ... |
| 01:50:19 | W|GGL|T | i always game in windows anyways |
| 01:50:32 | jmh|nwn | has been blowing the dust off of that area of his hd |
| 01:50:34 | warmi | there should be an applet that works just like PPC memory adjusting config |
| 01:50:43 | kergoth | warmi: uhhh it'll add $QTDIR/include to your includepath. |
| 01:50:45 | inomine_ | unfortuantely linux sucks for games |
| 01:50:49 | warmi | but this one would just create SWAP file in RAM memory |
| 01:50:55 | jmh|nwn | no linux doesnt .. developers do |
| 01:50:56 | jmh|nwn | :) |
| 01:50:57 | kergoth | warmi: if $QTDIR points to /opt/Qtopia, likely those qtopia headers will be farther up in the headers path |
| 01:51:09 | warmi | kergoth: I know.. that's why I have to separate them |
| 01:51:18 | warmi | $QTDIR needs to point to just qte |
| 01:51:26 | warmi | for now I just renamed qpe inside to qpe2 |
| 01:51:33 | warmi | and it OPIE is compiling fine |
| 01:51:36 | kergoth | great |
| 01:51:41 | kergoth | thats what i was going to suggest :-) |
| 01:51:43 | inomine_ | jmh|nwn: :) |
| 01:51:55 | W|GGL|T | so loki developers sucked? |
| 01:51:56 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 01:51:57 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:52:04 | jmh|nwn | lol |
| 01:52:08 | warmi | yeah ... great minds think alike as ljp used to say |
| 01:52:08 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:52:17 | jmh|nwn | ok most developers do |
| 01:52:40 | jmh|nwn | toss in a "game" in there somewhere |
| 01:52:46 | treke|ho1e | all of the Loki ports I've got have been pretty good :) |
| 01:52:46 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:52:59 | inomine_ | loki really are good |
| 01:53:01 | ljp | I still say that |
| 01:53:07 | warmi | infamous Loki you should add |
| 01:53:08 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:53:13 | jmh|nwn | hehe |
| 01:53:22 | warmi | ljp: I know .. just thought you weren't around |
| 01:53:23 | warmi | heh |
| 01:53:27 | jmh|nwn | wasnt Loki the first to fall .. or was taht after Enron? |
| 01:53:40 | warmi | before |
| 01:53:46 | treke|ho1e | they filed for Ch11 last summer iirc |
| 01:53:48 | warmi | the scale was different |
| 01:53:52 | treke|ho1e | closed on the 11th |
| 01:54:02 | ljp | hahah I'm lurking tonight |
| 01:54:07 | warmi | but both were run by a criminal |
| 01:54:24 | warmi | or at least an unethical guys |
| 01:54:34 | warmi | since they weren't convicted of anything as of yet |
| 01:54:40 | jmh|nwn | so.. Loki started this whole thing eh? |
| 01:54:44 | jmh|nwn | :) |
| 01:54:48 | warmi | heh |
| 01:54:48 | treke|ho1e | hehe |
| 01:54:48 | kergoth | ljp: i just uploaded the oz3 b10.4 initrd to sf |
| 01:54:55 | jmh|nwn | coooooool kergoth |
| 01:55:04 | treke|ho1e | still wishes Deus Ex would have made it out the door |
| 01:55:23 | jmh|nwn | yeah |
| 01:55:36 | warmi | I know it futile but I'd say " get a Windows box man " |
| 01:55:44 | warmi | you will be happy :-) |
| 01:55:54 | warmi | and able to play any game you want |
| 01:55:55 | ljp | hmmm |
| 01:55:56 | treke|ho1e | I've got the windows cd around here somewhere |
| 01:56:00 | kergoth | i'm happy i have windows on my primary desktop, surprisingly |
| 01:56:07 | treke|ho1e | and it works in wine. I just never got round to playing it |
| 01:56:07 | kergoth | though i look forward to getting my linux laptop |
| 01:56:07 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:56:13 | ljp | great, now I have to find my flashing cf |
| 01:56:21 | jmh|nwn | where from kergoth? |
| 01:56:26 | inomine_ | treke: dosent the loki ftp have deusex on it? |
| 01:56:40 | treke|ho1e | inomine_: no. |
| 01:56:49 | roge99 | hey kergoth can i update via the feed ? |
| 01:56:55 | warmi | is ftp.loki.com still around ? |
| 01:56:57 | treke|ho1e | If your thinking of what I think your thinking of, that was a practical joke |
| 01:56:57 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:56:59 | treke|ho1e | warmi: yes |
| 01:57:08 | inomine_ | ah ok |
| 01:57:20 | treke|ho1e | inomine_: purpotrated by yours truly :) |
| 01:57:22 | jmh|nwn | ok im going back in when i come back out ill have decided if i want to keep the rom and just update or just flash the new rom .. |
| 01:57:23 | jmh|nwn | :( |
| 01:57:26 | jmh|nwn | ooo keep |
| 01:57:28 | inomine_ | lol |
| 01:57:32 | jmh|nwn | i have my classes in there already |
| 01:57:36 | warmi | yeah .. but they don't let anonymous folks in |
| 01:57:42 | jmh|nwn | And So it was Decided |
| 01:57:54 | jmh|nwn | hehehe |
| 01:57:57 | jmh|nwn | ok seeya |
| 01:58:01 | treke|ho1e | warmi: Anonymous ftp is still open |
| 01:58:03 | warmi | see you |
| 01:58:06 | treke|ho1e | its ftp.lokigames.com |
| 01:58:10 | warmi | ah ok |
| 01:58:11 | inomine_ | is there anyway for opie to keep the bg static instead of scroling it as i scroll? |
| 01:58:43 | treke|ho1e | warmi: http://www.draeker.com <-- founder of loki has a management company |
| 01:58:57 | warmi | a new victim |
| 01:58:58 | warmi | hee |
| 01:59:16 | inomine_ | btw what on earth is tableview supposed ti be usefull for? |
| 01:59:17 | treke|ho1e | or there was one there :) |
| 01:59:45 | kergoth | writes up release notes |
| 01:59:46 | warmi | crap .. OPIE IS big |
| 01:59:51 | warmi | way bigger than Qtopia |
| 02:00:00 | kergoth | warmi: hehe. lots of extra apps |
| 02:00:23 | warmi | that's ok .. as long as you don't have Enlightement there |
| 02:00:25 | kergoth | warmi: you should see how big is is when you check out opie-bigapps too.. with qmame |
| 02:00:25 | warmi | fine with me |
| 02:00:28 | ljp | you have new kernels ;) |
| 02:00:31 | treke|ho1e | looks like its 80 megs or so |
| 02:00:35 | inomine_ | yeah you can actullay use opie for some productivity unlike qtopia |
| 02:00:46 | treke|ho1e | I certainly hope this is compiled |
| 02:00:58 | warmi | 80 mgs ?? |
| 02:01:10 | warmi | that hase to be with object crap |
| 02:01:41 | warmi | uhhh ... |
| 02:01:49 | treke|ho1e | yeah it is. whew |
| 02:01:56 | warmi | somebody has like 8 unused QToolButtons |
| 02:02:07 | warmi | big plans for the future obviously |
| 02:02:17 | inomine_ | ooh finally opieplayer2 |
| 02:02:57 | warmi | QTRreader author obviously does not believe in C++ casts |
| 02:02:57 | warmi | heeh |
| 02:03:23 | inomine_ | at least he believes in c++ |
| 02:03:30 | warmi | yeah, that's true |
| 02:03:45 | warmi | God .. we are so lucky we are not working with GTK crap |
| 02:04:01 | inomine_ | im really not a fan of c as i learnt c++ first |
| 02:04:09 | warmi | or even some more scary shit like TCL/TK |
| 02:04:15 | warmi | uhh |
| 02:04:24 | inomine_ | or even..... python |
| 02:04:35 | warmi | inomine: C++ is C |
| 02:04:45 | warmi | C is ok but just not for GUI stuff |
| 02:04:57 | inomine_ | yeah but c has no good shit like easy classes :) |
| 02:05:12 | warmi | yeah but the language itself is the same |
| 02:05:18 | warmi | the control statements etc .. |
| 02:05:21 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:05:31 | warmi | man OPIE still going and going and .. |
| 02:05:34 | inomine_ | yeah i know i used both... still prefer c++ |
| 02:05:45 | warmi | and I have Athlon 1 GHZ .. not the latest but still |
| 02:06:18 | inomine_ | also it seems that the qt scaled better to a mobile low screen platform, gtk just looks way too big and ugly |
| 02:06:21 | ljp | warmi: if you have more than one box, use teambuilder |
| 02:06:29 | warmi | I guess this adidtional OPIE stuff fills our all that ROM space left after getting rid of JAva and OPera |
| 02:06:37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:06:39 | kergoth | dont install everything |
| 02:06:44 | kergoth | i never use hafl the opie apps |
| 02:06:56 | warmi | I am just compiling x86 for now |
| 02:07:00 | ljp | takes too long for sf for update |
| 02:07:07 | warmi | I will be working on imageviewer |
| 02:07:10 | treke|ho1e | warmi: You can barely fit all of opie onto an ipaq |
| 02:07:12 | kergoth | ljp: initrd still not shown? |
| 02:07:14 | inomine_ | ooh x86 that will be fun to try |
| 02:07:17 | warmi | which I wil recompile for ARM for my own testing separately |
| 02:07:18 | treke|ho1e | warmi: oh thank you very much |
| 02:07:25 | warmi | as an stand-alone app |
| 02:07:46 | ljp | kergoth: not yet |
| 02:08:06 | ljp | not yet on the ftp servers |
| 02:08:08 | inomine_ | i have full opie on a ipaq (the .ipkg feed) and still have space left |
| 02:08:13 | warmi | man .. let do quck 'df' here see if I am not gonna run out of frigging disk space |
| 02:08:15 | warmi | heh |
| 02:08:31 | treke|ho1e | inomine_: gotta be tight |
| 02:08:48 | ljp | I'll upload it to opie.us |
| 02:09:16 | inomine_ | treke: 10mb left |
| 02:09:32 | treke|ho1e | inomine_: you sure you have everything? |
| 02:09:45 | warmi | 10 MB rom left ? |
| 02:09:45 | inomine_ | from the ipk feed yes |
| 02:09:52 | treke|ho1e | hmmm. odd |
| 02:09:54 | warmi | or how does it work on Ipaw ? |
| 02:09:56 | warmi | ipaq even |
| 02:09:57 | treke|ho1e | warmi: ipaq is 32 meg |
| 02:10:04 | warmi | I know 32 MB ROM |
| 02:10:09 | warmi | so he is talking about ROM right ? |
| 02:10:12 | treke|ho1e | yes |
| 02:10:14 | inomine_ | plus 64mb ram :) |
| 02:10:22 | treke|ho1e | hehe |
| 02:10:23 | inomine_ | yah 10mb rom left |
| 02:10:34 | treke|ho1e | I need to set up a ram disk one of these days |
| 02:10:45 | warmi | Sharp dudes said it was a mistake to use only 16 MB or ROM |
| 02:10:51 | treke|ho1e | I fear runnning my battery down |
| 02:10:52 | warmi | so I gues the next model will have 32 |
| 02:10:57 | inomine_ | treke: its already there if ur running familiar |
| 02:11:06 | warmi | which will come handy if they want to keep binary compatibility with 5500 |
| 02:11:10 | treke|ho1e | inomine_: Well with nvrd |
| 02:11:14 | warmi | just enough room to stick two qte libs |
| 02:11:15 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:11:19 | treke|ho1e | So I can reboot |
| 02:11:27 | inomine_ | treke: ah ok :) |
| 02:11:46 | inomine_ | hopefully my new 128mb card will solve all the problems once it arrives |
| 02:11:54 | treke|ho1e | inomine_: Since I never sync my ipaq against anything, battery life is a concern for me :) |
| 02:12:12 | treke|ho1e | and I'd rather not my forced to use the mmc slot for my base sysem |
| 02:12:19 | warmi | treke: doesn't ipaq have some sort of cmos style battery |
| 02:12:24 | treke|ho1e | warmi: nope |
| 02:12:33 | warmi | I know the Zaurus has |
| 02:12:59 | treke|ho1e | if your main battery goes out, everything not in flash goes buh bye |
| 02:13:09 | warmi | ah ok |
| 02:13:17 | warmi | nice |
| 02:13:57 | treke|ho1e | not too big a deal if you sync every day, but like I said, I dont sync :) |
| 02:14:06 | inomine_ | right im off |
| 02:14:16 | treke|ho1e | its easier to just consult my ipaq when I'm looking for something |
| 02:14:16 | inomine_ | its 20 past 4 here |
| 02:14:21 | inomine_ | and i can see the sun |
| 02:14:58 | warmi | hehe .. if it is already 4 then there is no poing going to bed anyway |
| 02:14:58 | warmi | heh |
| 02:15:09 | treke|home | so true |
| 02:16:07 | warmi | OPIE checkers have unitialized variables named from f12 to f36 |
| 02:16:41 | warmi | one can just sense different coding styles by looking at the OPIE make output |
| 02:16:42 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:16:51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:17:07 | Speedy2 | re |
| 02:18:44 | warmi | opie-alarm Makefile is screwed up |
| 02:18:56 | kergoth | who cares. opie-alarm isnt used on x86 or the Z. hehe |
| 02:19:01 | kergoth | whats wrong with it? |
| 02:19:03 | warmi | it has stuff in it like : CROSS:=arm-linux- |
| 02:19:03 | warmi | CC :=$(CROSS)gcc |
| 02:19:14 | warmi | yeah but it was trying to compile on my box and it failed |
| 02:19:24 | warmi | and I did ./configure -xplatform x86 |
| 02:19:41 | warmi | or maybe I did make clean |
| 02:19:55 | warmi | then ./configure but the second one was without xplatform .. hmm |
| 02:19:58 | warmi | crap |
| 02:21:35 | kergoth | ljp: the initrd looks like its up there |
| 02:23:08 | ljp | ya..2 minutes remaining |
| 02:23:16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:23:27 | kergoth | I'm writing up the release notes.. |
| 02:23:36 | ljp | hmmmmm docs? |
| 02:23:38 | kergoth | trying to do some explanations, point to various useful links, etc |
| 02:23:51 | kergoth | yeah, i'm sick of people thinking they only have 2mb free |
| 02:23:55 | kergoth | becuase they dont know about /mnt/ram |
| 02:23:58 | kergoth | !! |
| 02:23:58 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:24:04 | ljp | ahhh.. I'll mirror this initrd.bin on opie.us |
| 02:24:08 | kergoth | cool |
| 02:24:13 | kergoth | I'll start the new zImages building |
| 02:24:22 | kergoth | itll take a while |
| 02:24:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:24:35 | warmi | ok .. |
| 02:25:50 | warmi | it compiled |
| 02:25:57 | warmi | I think it did for the most part |
| 02:26:00 | warmi | it is running |
| 02:27:36 | | sig was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 50 minutes and 21 seconds ago, saying: /exec -o figlet? [Wed Jul 17 01:37:15 2002] |
| 02:27:36 | W|GGL|T | ibot seen sig |
| 02:28:24 | ljp | kergoth: ya, it takes Sharp's machine 4 months to build a new rom/kernel for 5000d |
| 02:30:55 | ljp | flashing |
| 02:31:24 | Cloudchaser | well i have to get to bed.. i'll try it tomorrow when i get home from work |
| 02:31:33 | kergoth | ljp: lol |
| 02:31:35 | kergoth | ljp: k |
| 02:31:47 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: great. i'll have the new kernels available too by then. sleep well. |
| 02:32:02 | Cloudchaser | new kernels? |
| 02:32:12 | Cloudchaser | i thought you were putting them up now |
| 02:32:13 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: yeah, they fix the linksys card problem |
| 02:32:16 | Cloudchaser | is confused |
| 02:32:26 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: well when they're done building... it'll take a while.. it has to build 7 of them ;-) |
| 02:32:35 | Cloudchaser | 7 of what? |
| 02:32:38 | kergoth | kernels |
| 02:32:49 | Cloudchaser | we have to install 7 kernals? |
| 02:33:01 | ljp | heheheh no |
| 02:33:05 | kergoth | lol.. no, just one |
| 02:33:05 | kergoth | but there are 7 to give people options |
| 02:33:13 | ljp | 7 different kernel memory configs |
| 02:33:16 | Cloudchaser | oh you mean to confuse me further |
| 02:33:18 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:33:29 | ljp | get the 40-24, cloud |
| 02:33:31 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: hey i'm spending time right now documenting the install :-) read the readme tomorrow |
| 02:33:40 | kergoth | yeah, 40-24 works well on the 5500 |
| 02:33:45 | Cloudchaser | hehe ok i will |
| 02:33:54 | Cloudchaser | but if i do that and stuff won't install to sd |
| 02:34:00 | Cloudchaser | i'm in trouble |
| 02:34:11 | kergoth | no worries. stuff installs to sd. |
| 02:34:13 | ljp | hmmm |
| 02:34:24 | kergoth | yawns |
| 02:34:29 | ljp | I've never had stuff install to sd |
| 02:34:39 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 02:34:41 | kergoth | well, you dont have an sd either |
| 02:34:42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:34:47 | kergoth | i need to pick one up myself |
| 02:34:49 | ljp | true.. ;) |
| 02:34:54 | Cloudchaser | kicks ljp |
| 02:34:57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:35:08 | ljp | starts limping |
| 02:35:22 | kergoth | shit i forgot to install opie-light&power by default |
| 02:35:30 | kergoth | notes it in the readme |
| 02:35:53 | ljp | ok.. mirrored at opie.us in the devZone.php/OpenZaurus |
| 02:36:18 | ljp | download light-and-power |
| 02:36:43 | Cloudchaser | whats the full link to where i can get it? |
| 02:36:56 | Cloudchaser | i'm too tired to search for it ;) |
| 02:37:14 | kergoth | devzone or http://sf.net/projects/openzaurus under files |
| 02:37:28 | ljp | well.. you'll also need the kernel.. but its also at |
| 02:38:10 | ljp | http://opie.us/opie/devZone.php/OpenZaurusinitrd.bin |
| 02:38:17 | ljp | whoops |
| 02:38:22 | ljp | http://opie.us/opie/devZone.php/OpenZaurus/initrd.bin |
| 02:38:59 | Cloudchaser | which one is that? |
| 02:39:25 | Cloudchaser | kergoth said there'd be 7 of them |
| 02:39:42 | ljp | uhh kergoth |
| 02:39:55 | ljp | Cloudchaser: thats not the kernel |
| 02:40:25 | Cloudchaser | i'll read his doc tomorrow |
| 02:40:28 | ljp | kergoth: did you put int cardmon? |
| 02:40:40 | ljp | no automount |
| 02:40:49 | Cloudchaser | you said i'd nead the kernal, its at http://opie.us/opie/devZone.php/OpenZaurus/initrd.bin |
| 02:40:52 | kergoth | ljp: argh. its not in there? |
| 02:41:07 | kergoth | jeesus |
| 02:41:21 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: thats the filesystem. there's two pieces, the kernel and the filesystem :-) |
| 02:41:27 | ljp | hmmm /dev/hda1: no such device |
| 02:41:46 | Cloudchaser | ok i'll sort it all out tomorrow when my brain has rested :) |
| 02:41:50 | Cloudchaser | thanks guys :) |
| 02:41:57 | Cloudchaser | for all your patience |
| 02:42:14 | kergoth | ljp: ? no /dev? |
| 02:42:30 | kergoth | ljp: ls -l /dev/hda1 |
| 02:42:31 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:43:08 | ljp | ya the device is there.. thats the message I get when I try to mount |
| 02:44:05 | jmh|nwn | dammit |
| 02:44:11 | jmh|nwn | nwn keeps crashing |
| 02:44:11 | Speedy2 | mknod it |
| 02:44:12 | jmh|nwn | jesus |
| 02:44:15 | jmh|nwn | i hate windows |
| 02:44:41 | ljp | device exists |
| 02:45:28 | kergoth | hmm |
| 02:46:05 | ljp | modules.conf is more recent... |
| 02:46:13 | warmi | ljp: do you know where is the doc directory all OPIE apps look for files .. equivlent of Document tab in OPIE ? |
| 02:46:22 | warmi | does it point to $HOME on my system ? |
| 02:46:27 | warmi | I can't seem to find it |
| 02:46:34 | kergoth | $HOME/Documents |
| 02:46:38 | warmi | ok |
| 02:46:39 | warmi | thanks |
| 02:47:41 | NeoTron | is back (gone 19:31:54) |
| 02:47:50 | NeoTron | morning |
| 02:47:52 | NeoTron | uh |
| 02:47:54 | NeoTron | or something |
| 02:48:17 | ljp | morning?! |
| 02:48:27 | NeoTron | habit |
| 02:48:31 | ljp | hehehe |
| 02:48:38 | ljp | its morning somewhere |
| 02:48:46 | ljp | here its 21:54 |
| 02:49:47 | kergoth | ljp: does the new cardmon handle sd as well or do we still need sdmon? |
| 02:50:37 | NeoTron | indeed |
| 02:50:51 | ljp | does both I guess |
| 02:53:00 | kergoth | ljp: ? |
| 02:53:05 | kergoth | ljp: new cardmon does both? |
| 02:53:45 | ljp | yes, Harlekin combined the two, He would know for sure |
| 02:54:09 | | Harlekin was last seen on #handhelds.org 7 hours, 2 minutes and 12 seconds ago, saying: make sure its .20 [Tue Jul 16 20:51:57 2002] |
| 02:54:09 | kergoth | ibot: seen Harlekin? |
| 02:54:13 | kergoth | hm |
| 02:54:16 | ljp | screentaps work |
| 02:54:43 | ljp | looks like cardmon is in there.. but hides when it cant mount |
| 02:54:57 | kergoth | hm |
| 02:55:10 | Rascal | kergoth, did you get the new rom up? |
| 02:55:19 | kergoth | Rascal: debugging it atm |
| 02:55:21 | Rascal | nm. |
| 02:55:24 | kergoth | Rascal: it had.. quirks :-) |
| 02:55:33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:55:41 | Rascal | I notice on SF |
| 02:55:50 | Rascal | ;) |
| 02:56:12 | Rascal | well with my 2.37 install completely hosed right now I'm just waiting.. |
| 02:57:07 | kergoth | ahahaha |
| 02:57:08 | kergoth | ljp: |
| 02:57:12 | ljp | might wait a bit more |
| 02:57:17 | kergoth | ljp: there's no cardmgr in the pcmcia-cs package! |
| 02:57:18 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:57:21 | kergoth | wtf |
| 02:57:21 | Rascal | lol |
| 02:57:27 | ljp | oohh |
| 02:57:38 | ljp | hmm |
| 02:57:49 | Rascal | brb installing ximian |
| 03:00:24 | Speedy2 | Someone murdered Selena, but not Celine Deon? |
| 03:00:31 | Speedy2 | Dion |
| 03:00:53 | Rascal | lol |
| 03:01:01 | Rascal | you just figured that out speedy? |
| 03:02:47 | Speedy2 | No |
| 03:02:56 | Speedy2 | But I saw her on VH1 and was upset that she didn't stay gone |
| 03:09:49 | kergoth | ljp: whew |
| 03:09:53 | kergoth | ljp: solved that one. |
| 03:10:09 | ljp | heheh new rom? |
| 03:10:22 | kergoth | yeh. let me flash and confirm some functionality first. |
| 03:10:23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:10:34 | kergoth | i confirmed the fixed bugs, but didnt check to maek sure i didnt break anything.. |
| 03:10:36 | kergoth | oi |
| 03:11:21 | kergoth | ljp: notice any other probs while we're at it? |
| 03:11:50 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Get the serial port thing sorted out? |
| 03:12:01 | kergoth | Speedy2: nah, no time... busy busy |
| 03:12:17 | kergoth | Speedy2: once this rom is released and isnt falling on its face, its back to work on that shit |
| 03:12:22 | ljp | light and power |
| 03:12:28 | kergoth | ljp: done |
| 03:12:40 | kergoth | ljp: added clipboardapplet while i was at it. and irdaapplet too. |
| 03:14:17 | ljp | shutdown does want to reboot |
| 03:15:48 | ljp | and /sbin/reboot works but /sbin need to be in path I think ?? |
| 03:16:12 | kergoth | ljp: fixed that too |
| 03:16:19 | kergoth | ljp: yeah, i added sbin to /etc/profile |
| 03:16:28 | Speedy2 | Man, Unforzen Cave Man Lawyer is awesome. |
| 03:16:52 | ljp | did you check out the new sysinfo tabs? |
| 03:17:23 | kergoth | ljp: yeah, i like it :-) |
| 03:17:35 | ljp | I should really get sysinfo to reoprt the right /mnt/ram |
| 03:17:38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:19:06 | ljp | needs some custom code |
| 03:19:52 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:20:23 | ljp | other than those, I cant find anything.. time to work on irda |
| 03:20:38 | siriusnova | hey |
| 03:20:43 | siriusnova | anyone tried mazingo ? |
| 03:20:45 | siriusnova | its pretty cool |
| 03:20:49 | siriusnova | its like Avantgo for the Z |
| 03:20:49 | kergoth | ljp: cool. install irda-utils |
| 03:20:55 | kergoth | ljp: shit, i should install irda-utils out of the box.. |
| 03:21:30 | | rumour has it ipkgfind is at http://ipkgfind.48ers.dk/ or at http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org |
| 03:21:30 | kergoth | ibot: ipkgfind? |
| 03:21:43 | siriusnova | kergoth, new rom out? |
| 03:22:01 | kergoth | siriusnova: well it was, but then we noticed it was fucked |
| 03:22:06 | ljp | Im going to look at libopieobex to make sure there's not a lot of ipaq specific code.. zecke seems to not want to get it working on Z |
| 03:22:07 | kergoth | siriusnova: so i'm about to release it agian :-) |
| 03:22:12 | kergoth | ljp: k |
| 03:22:19 | siriusnova | great |
| 03:22:26 | siriusnova | anyway if you all liked Avantgo on your palms |
| 03:22:29 | siriusnova | take a look at Mazingo |
| 03:22:35 | siriusnova | its pretty neat |
| 03:22:37 | Cloudchaser | where? |
| 03:22:39 | siriusnova | im using it right now |
| 03:22:46 | siriusnova | www.mazingo.net |
| 03:22:52 | siriusnova | its like Avantgo for the Z |
| 03:23:01 | siriusnova | free too |
| 03:23:06 | siriusnova | well the basic text only |
| 03:23:06 | ljp | clock alarm didnt go off |
| 03:23:17 | Cloudchaser | cool! |
| 03:23:19 | siriusnova | if you want video you gotta pay |
| 03:23:28 | kergoth | ljp: hm, atd is running? |
| 03:24:15 | ljp | no |
| 03:24:18 | Cloudchaser | they want a credit card number |
| 03:24:28 | siriusnova | not for the free one |
| 03:24:37 | siriusnova | there is a free text only service also |
| 03:24:47 | siriusnova | the CC is for the Video and Premium channels |
| 03:25:25 | ljp | starting daemon: atdstart-stop-daemon: no such file |
| 03:25:31 | Cloudchaser | ok found it ;) |
| 03:25:31 | kergoth | ljp: hm, i just lfashed that same initrd and it started |
| 03:25:42 | kergoth | ljp: oh i wonder if thats the /sbin not in PATH thing again |
| 03:25:45 | siriusnova | k |
| 03:25:46 | Cloudchaser | oh damn |
| 03:25:53 | treke|home | of course there's always sitescooper for people who prefer choosing their own channels |
| 03:25:53 | Cloudchaser | i did the wrong one first |
| 03:26:01 | Cloudchaser | now it says that exists already |
| 03:26:06 | Cloudchaser | and i can't use my email address |
| 03:26:10 | sig | what up |
| 03:26:16 | siriusnova | login to your email address |
| 03:26:19 | siriusnova | and check it |
| 03:26:22 | siriusnova | it sent me an email |
| 03:26:23 | ljp | kergoth: atd start gives that errer |
| 03:26:42 | Cloudchaser | i start it on the premium free trial |
| 03:26:48 | Cloudchaser | and got to the credit card part |
| 03:26:50 | Cloudchaser | and backed up |
| 03:26:53 | Cloudchaser | :( |
| 03:26:58 | siriusnova | Cloudchaser, check your email |
| 03:27:09 | siriusnova | it might have just sent ya a confirmation for the free |
| 03:27:11 | Cloudchaser | ah ok |
| 03:27:40 | siriusnova | Syncing is kinda clunky |
| 03:27:42 | siriusnova | but then its a beta |
| 03:28:26 | kergoth | ljp: hold, i'll test a new initrd |
| 03:29:17 | Cloudchaser | what a surprise! |
| 03:29:23 | siriusnova | what? |
| 03:29:34 | Cloudchaser | that synching is clunky |
| 03:29:40 | siriusnova | heh |
| 03:30:51 | Cloudchaser | bleh too much pocket pc stuff |
| 03:31:06 | Cloudchaser | need to get zaurus zone on there |
| 03:31:14 | siriusnova | yeah u should |
| 03:31:29 | sig | anyone use aterm? |
| 03:32:43 | warmi | re |
| 03:32:48 | warmi | ljp: you around ? |
| 03:33:15 | siriusnova | any its pretty cool |
| 03:33:22 | siriusnova | I needed something to replace avantgo on my Z |
| 03:33:27 | siriusnova | so im happy :) |
| 03:33:42 | Cloudchaser | me too and thanks! |
| 03:33:46 | siriusnova | np |
| 03:33:53 | Cloudchaser | you ought to post it to zz |
| 03:33:53 | ljp | ya |
| 03:33:59 | siriusnova | its on ZZ already |
| 03:34:03 | siriusnova | thats where I got it from |
| 03:34:14 | Cloudchaser | hehe i missed that |
| 03:34:34 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 03:34:34 | shoe | ibot feed |
| 03:34:38 | siriusnova | k well im off |
| 03:34:39 | siriusnova | laterz |
| 03:35:35 | Cloudchaser | i might even pay 5.00 a month for it ;) |
| 03:35:45 | sig | anyone user .Xdefaults |
| 03:35:52 | warmi | ljp: you are the one working on OPIE filemanager ? |
| 03:35:53 | sig | for making aterm better? |
| 03:35:57 | sig | aterm.transparent:true |
| 03:35:57 | treke|home | sig: I do |
| 03:35:57 | sig | aterm.transpscrollbar:true |
| 03:35:57 | sig | aterm*font:8x6 |
| 03:35:57 | sig | aterm*saveLines:50000 |
| 03:36:03 | sig | I need to add green text |
| 03:36:11 | sig | don't know what to put |
| 03:36:14 | sig | or add |
| 03:36:28 | treke|home | well I use white text but let me take a stab at it |
| 03:36:31 | ljp | there's two filemanagers.. th eone named FileManager isnt really worked |
| 03:36:33 | sig | k |
| 03:36:37 | warmi | just asking cause What's new lists :* thumbnail preview off images in filemanager |
| 03:36:46 | warmi | which one does this entry refers to , do you know ? |
| 03:36:52 | treke|home | sig: *Xterm*foreground green |
| 03:36:58 | ljp | oh.. ya someone sent in that patch ;) |
| 03:37:00 | sig | hmm |
| 03:37:06 | treke|home | sig: *Xterm*background: black |
| 03:37:11 | warmi | this is fm specific right ? |
| 03:37:18 | ljp | warmi: that would be FileManager |
| 03:37:29 | sig | aterm*foreground:green |
| 03:37:31 | treke|home | sig: I use *Xterm* since I change the name on some terminals to different things |
| 03:37:42 | warmi | cause I planning , as a first feature, to extend FileSelector specifically for ShowImag to show thumbnails |
| 03:37:50 | treke|home | sig: so aterm* doesnt do what I want :) |
| 03:37:58 | sig | treke|home: it does for me |
| 03:38:02 | sig | what are you using? |
| 03:38:05 | sig | xterm? |
| 03:38:08 | warmi | I guess then filemanager approach cannot be reused |
| 03:38:08 | treke|home | sig: aterm |
| 03:38:15 | NeoTron | hmm |
| 03:38:16 | sig | I'm using aterm as well |
| 03:38:17 | ljp | ok, just make it an option if possible |
| 03:38:18 | warmi | just trying to avoid duplications of code |
| 03:38:18 | warmi | heh |
| 03:38:22 | NeoTron | treke|home: will you be around tonight? |
| 03:38:27 | treke|home | sig: If you start something like aterm -name mutt, It changes the name from aterm to mutt |
| 03:38:30 | treke|home | NeoTron: yeah |
| 03:38:40 | sig | treke|home: how do i restart this terminal so it will take these affects? |
| 03:38:43 | NeoTron | ok, might throw you some CC binaries now and then. :P |
| 03:38:49 | treke|home | cool :) |
| 03:38:52 | ljp | warmi: I think FileManager uses Fileselector |
| 03:38:56 | treke|home | sig: xrdb -load ~/.Xdefaults |
| 03:39:08 | treke|home | then close and reopen aterm |
| 03:39:12 | sig | sweet |
| 03:39:15 | sig | green |
| 03:39:15 | sig | :) |
| 03:39:25 | shoe | when you tell the install manager to install on SD, what's it actually doing? shouldn't the files actually SHOW UP under the /mnt/card directory? |
| 03:39:26 | treke|home | maybe that would be easier to read |
| 03:39:27 | sig | transparent and green :) |
| 03:39:30 | warmi | I will check the code |
| 03:39:45 | sig | treke|home: I have font 8x6 |
| 03:39:48 | sig | what do you use? |
| 03:39:52 | ljp | soe: yes it should |
| 03:39:56 | W|GGL|T | job fair tomorrow! |
| 03:39:58 | ljp | shoe I mean |
| 03:40:03 | sig | what is the next step up? |
| 03:40:08 | treke|home | sig: usually nexus. just swiched to plain fixed on my desktop. |
| 03:40:47 | sig | so what would be the next step above 8x6? |
| 03:40:48 | treke|home | problem is that nexus is too small at 1600x1200 |
| 03:40:54 | treke|home | sig: not sure |
| 03:40:57 | sig | hrrm |
| 03:41:21 | sig | this is what i have now |
| 03:41:25 | sig | aterm.transparent:true |
| 03:41:27 | sig | aterm.transpscrollbar:true |
| 03:41:27 | sig | aterm*font:8x6 |
| 03:41:27 | sig | aterm*foreground:green |
| 03:41:27 | sig | aterm*saveLines:50000 |
| 03:41:34 | sig | works great, but font is a little small |
| 03:42:51 | sig | what is .Xauthority ? |
| 03:43:34 | treke|home | sig: It's used for deciding which hosts can connect to your x server, iirc |
| 03:43:47 | sig | I see |
| 03:46:41 | shoe | is there a log written anywhere when a package is installed using ipkg? Package says it installs ok, but no binaries can be found anywhere... no icon shows up for an executable, something must be going wrong |
| 03:47:32 | treke|home | does the zaurus use the C or SH version of ipkg? |
| 03:49:40 | NeoTron | sh |
| 03:49:48 | treke|home | eeew |
| 03:50:05 | NeoTron | and what the fuck! I don't seem to have a way to get to know when I switch to non-fullscreen. that's dumb |
| 03:51:02 | sig | treke|home: I switch aterm*font: to diff sizes but it never changes size |
| 03:51:09 | sig | even after xrdb -load ~/.Xdefaults |
| 03:51:17 | treke|home | sig: It has to be a valid font name |
| 03:51:28 | sig | 8x6 is? |
| 03:51:40 | sig | what is a valid font name? |
| 03:51:49 | treke|home | I dont know. It might not be, then it would default to fixed |
| 03:52:18 | sig | treke|home: yeah thats what I'm afraid it is doing cause it doesn't ever change |
| 03:52:51 | treke|home | sig: xlsfonts will give you a list |
| 03:53:13 | sig | wow |
| 03:53:16 | sig | thats a big list |
| 03:53:22 | sig | I need sizes |
| 03:53:25 | sig | not types |
| 03:53:31 | sig | aterm.transpscrollbar:true |
| 03:53:35 | sig | aterm*font:8x6 |
| 03:53:53 | Cloudchaser | sig |
| 03:54:00 | sig | hmm |
| 03:54:03 | treke|home | sig: xfontsel |
| 03:54:04 | sig | I see |
| 03:54:07 | Cloudchaser | how do you get mazingo onto the z? |
| 03:54:55 | NeoTron | treke|home: http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/candycruncher.gz <-- try the "unlock" choice in that one |
| 03:55:05 | treke|home | l |
| 03:55:26 | Cloudchaser | oh sorry sig.. was sirius i needed |
| 03:56:08 | sig | treke|home: how the hell do you use xfontsel? |
| 03:56:09 | | I haven't seen 'seriousnova', darienm |
| 03:56:09 | darienm | ibot seen seriousnova |
| 03:56:12 | sig | lol |
| 03:56:16 | | I haven't seen 'seriusnova', darienm |
| 03:56:16 | darienm | ibot seen seriusnova |
| 03:56:22 | NeoTron | gfontsel is nice |
| 03:56:28 | | siriusnova was last seen on #zaurus 21 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: laterz [Wed Jul 17 04:34:39 2002] |
| 03:56:28 | darienm | ibot seen siriusnova |
| 03:57:05 | darienm | If you want to load websites for offline viewing on the Zaurus, get wwwoffle |
| 03:57:12 | | it has been said that wwwoffle is available at http://www.gedanken.demon.co.uk/wwwoffle/ or available in ipk at http://hrabbey.webhop.net/Projects/Deb2Ipks/ |
| 03:57:12 | darienm | ibot wwwoffle |
| 03:58:40 | darienm | sig, whatcha trying to do with X? |
| 03:59:05 | sig | darienm: I'm trying to change the font size in .Xdefaults |
| 03:59:09 | sig | aterm*font:8x6 |
| 03:59:17 | darienm | sig, on the Zaurus? |
| 03:59:21 | Oriumpor_ | *grumble* |
| 03:59:26 | Oriumpor_ | kergoth: you put up the rom? |
| 03:59:27 | sig | darienm: no |
| 03:59:32 | sig | on my pc |
| 03:59:58 | treke|home | NeoTron: perfect |
| 04:00:11 | Oriumpor_ | hrm |
| 04:00:39 | treke|home | NeoTron: Something that might be nice would be to open the input method for the user |
| 04:00:43 | darienm | Cloudchaser: trying that mazingo thing? |
| 04:02:12 | NeoTron | treke|home: I can't figure out how to do that. if you know how, let me know. :)) |
| 04:02:20 | NeoTron | but I think the user can figure it out too |
| 04:02:20 | treke|home | NeoTron: easy :) |
| 04:02:27 | treke|home | Global::showInputMethod ( |
| 04:02:30 | treke|home | ) |
| 04:02:38 | treke|home | well easy in theory |
| 04:02:59 | Oriumpor_ | Has anyone done any work with http://www.cs.unc.edu/~scheuerm/zaurus-adventure-emulators/ ? |
| 04:03:08 | darienm | Cloudchaser: My first problem with mazingo is that their 'secure' site isn't..... |
| 04:03:51 | Oriumpor_ | mazingo |
| 04:04:05 | Oriumpor_ | ... |
| 04:04:08 | sig | sweet |
| 04:04:11 | sig | got it treke|home |
| 04:04:11 | darienm | http://www.mazingo.net |
| 04:04:12 | | Oriumpor_: huh? |
| 04:04:12 | Oriumpor_ | ibot search google mazingo |
| 04:04:23 | darienm | apparently wireless content for handhelds, including zaurus |
| 04:04:36 | Oriumpor_ | precached stuff? |
| 04:04:44 | Cloudchaser | yeah i'm trying it |
| 04:04:53 | Cloudchaser | hoping i didn't pick too many things ;) |
| 04:04:55 | darienm | not sure, read the site. Then ask Cloudchaser for a review :) |
| 04:05:00 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 04:05:20 | NeoTron | treke|home: http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/candycruncher.gz <-- how about this one? |
| 04:05:27 | Oriumpor_ | Cloudchaser: it any good? :P |
| 04:05:49 | Cloudchaser | dunno yet |
| 04:05:56 | Oriumpor_ | ebooks look cool |
| 04:05:59 | Cloudchaser | i synched but not sure what to do next |
| 04:06:02 | Cloudchaser | where to find it on z |
| 04:06:12 | treke|home | NeoTron: forget to strip this one? |
| 04:06:13 | | iang was last seen on #zaurus 5 days, 7 hours, 19 minutes and 13 seconds ago, saying: I still need to receive my Zaurus serial cable before I can do Z-only warwalking with GPS, though [Thu Jul 11 21:47:00 2002] |
| 04:06:13 | Oriumpor_ | ibot seen iang |
| 04:06:29 | Oriumpor_ | how ... odd |
| 04:06:40 | Oriumpor_ | he must still be warwalking :P |
| 04:07:43 | W|GGL|T | finally online with the Z |
| 04:07:52 | W|GGL|T | used http://home.attbi.com/~tadaalgaard/zaurus/network/proxy/index.html |
| 04:08:05 | Cloudchaser | got me...i need to get to bed |
| 04:08:18 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: you've been saying that for how long? |
| 04:08:19 | Cloudchaser | i'll try to figure it out after some sleep |
| 04:08:23 | Oriumpor_ | W|GGL|T:Dude |
| 04:08:27 | Cloudchaser | hehe i'm really goingnow |
| 04:08:33 | treke|home | sure you are |
| 04:08:33 | Cloudchaser | i have to get up in a few hours to go to work |
| 04:08:44 | Oriumpor_ | W|GGL|T: I'll write a walkthrough on how to nat through a 2k machine to the internet |
| 04:08:50 | darienm | Cloudchaser: You have the 'locate' package for the zaurus? |
| 04:09:01 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 04:09:07 | darienm | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=158 |
| 04:09:16 | darienm | helps you 'find' things that you can't find. |
| 04:09:20 | darienm | very useful |
| 04:09:27 | Cloudchaser | i've been meaning to get it |
| 04:09:31 | Cloudchaser | but i keep running out of space |
| 04:09:40 | treke|home | but unlike "find" it requires a database of files, does it not? |
| 04:09:40 | darienm | Get a 128 MB SD card :) |
| 04:09:47 | darienm | only $80 thesedays |
| 04:09:50 | Oriumpor_ | find / |grep isn't good enough? |
| 04:09:57 | darienm | treke|home: You create the database as-needed |
| 04:10:03 | treke|home | or find / -name "*foo*" |
| 04:10:18 | treke|home | which could easilly be made into a locate shell script |
| 04:10:20 | Cloudchaser | lot of stuff won't install to sd card |
| 04:10:25 | treke|home | NeoTron: Worked |
| 04:10:26 | Cloudchaser | i have 64 mb sd card |
| 04:10:35 | sig | what is .Xclients |
| 04:10:47 | Oriumpor_ | echo find $1 | grep "$2" >> /bin/locate |
| 04:10:54 | darienm | find is okay, but locate is faster.... |
| 04:10:55 | Oriumpor_ | locate / stuff |
| 04:11:08 | Oriumpor_ | darienm: you got enough stuff to need locate?? : P |
| 04:11:18 | darienm | Oriumpor: yes i do. 128 MB SD card |
| 04:11:34 | treke|home | darienm: true on a desktop with 60 gig of data, but whats on a z? maybe 200 megs of stuff |
| 04:11:57 | Oriumpor_ | darienm: you're bottleneck is the limited sd port then : / |
| 04:12:06 | darienm | treke|home: its the difference between 1 second (locate) and 8+ seconds (find) and less to type in also |
| 04:12:10 | Oriumpor_ | so locate is cool, if you store the database somewhere else |
| 04:12:25 | Oriumpor_ | (other than the SD) |
| 04:12:28 | darienm | the databse is tiny |
| 04:12:36 | Oriumpor_ | still gotta pull it up |
| 04:12:40 | sig | hey treke|home in order for these settings to work with xterm do I need to add a section of Xterm ? |
| 04:12:43 | W|GGL|T | it feels so funny to browse my own webpage on the Z |
| 04:12:47 | sig | under aterm? |
| 04:12:53 | treke|home | no |
| 04:12:57 | W|GGL|T | thinks he'll need wireless very soon |
| 04:13:01 | darienm | W|GGL|T: Congrats on getting online. Try this on the Z: http://zaurus.kruss.com/ |
| 04:13:02 | Cloudchaser | ok got it |
| 04:13:11 | sig | xterm didn't take affect, only aterm |
| 04:13:13 | treke|home | W|GGL|T: Its even funnier when it renders as intended :) |
| 04:13:29 | W|GGL|T | treke: lol |
| 04:13:35 | W|GGL|T | darienm: will do |
| 04:13:55 | darienm | W|GGL|T: its actually designed to work well on the small screen. |
| 04:14:02 | sig | treke|home: why did aterm take affect and not xterm? |
| 04:14:24 | treke|home | sig: because your terminal doesnt set itself ups with a classname of Xterm? |
| 04:14:37 | W|GGL|T | darienm: nice!! |
| 04:14:40 | Oriumpor_ | treke|home: did kergoth finish? |
| 04:14:58 | treke|home | Oriumpor_: no clue |
| 04:15:05 | sig | treke|home: yeah, but i have xterm and aterm |
| 04:15:13 | sig | what is xterms .file called? |
| 04:15:34 | treke|home | .Xdefaults ( or .Xresource depending on your distro) |
| 04:15:50 | sig | treke|home: that is for aterm |
| 04:15:57 | sig | I use debian |
| 04:16:00 | W|GGL|T | what'll i need to get just the Z running wireless in my house....cf network card, i know. wireless router, for just one appliance? |
| 04:16:06 | treke|home | sig: its the same for xterm |
| 04:16:15 | sig | aterm is working as i like it (.Xdefaults) |
| 04:16:28 | sig | treke|home: then why doesn't xterm take the affects? |
| 04:16:42 | W|GGL|T | ok....gonna go smoke i guess |
| 04:16:45 | Oriumpor_ | W|GGL|T: no Linux at home? |
| 04:16:52 | treke|home | because you told the file that the settings are for aterm |
| 04:16:57 | W|GGL|T | Oriumpor: yeah...slackware |
| 04:17:04 | Oriumpor_ | make it an AP |
| 04:17:08 | Oriumpor_ | it's cheaper that way : / |
| 04:17:10 | treke|home | W|GGL|T: The Linksys Wireless DSL/Cable routers are very nice |
| 04:17:12 | W|GGL|T | AP? |
| 04:17:21 | sig | treke|home: yeah and i asked if i added the same below it as xterm if it would? |
| 04:17:28 | treke|home | access point |
| 04:17:34 | treke|home | sig: #linux |
| 04:17:38 | W|GGL|T | ahh |
| 04:17:49 | sig | treke|home: heh |
| 04:18:00 | W|GGL|T | treke|home: yeah, ive already got a landline linksys router |
| 04:18:08 | treke|home | I learned enough to set my machine up how I like it. no expert |
| 04:18:20 | W|GGL|T | treke|home: same here :o) |
| 04:18:30 | treke|home | sig: And I did that a year or two ago |
| 04:19:07 | W|GGL|T | now, if i can only get the Z online in linux |
| 04:19:14 | W|GGL|T | brb...nicotine is really calling me |
| 04:20:52 | Oriumpor_ | W|GGL|T: IPchains : P |
| 04:20:54 | Oriumpor_ | tables |
| 04:23:16 | treke|home | oh well time to go back to a crash course in PERL DBI |
| 04:29:57 | W|GGL|T | Oriumpor_: Tried that already, using the howto...not working |
| 04:30:13 | Oriumpor_ | ipchains |
| 04:30:19 | Oriumpor_ | ? |
| 04:30:54 | Oriumpor_ | adios |
| 04:30:58 | Oriumpor_ | I'm out |
| 04:35:18 | sig | treke|home: ok, xterm can't do pseudo transparency's |
| 04:35:21 | sig | shitty |
| 04:35:25 | treke|home | no it cant |
| 04:36:08 | NeoTron | treke|home: good, then I consider that fixed. |
| 04:36:13 | NeoTron | and audio fixed. good. :) |
| 04:36:19 | treke|home | yup |
| 04:38:19 | treke|home | gonna go play with the demo for a few minutes |
| 04:38:20 | treke|home | brb :) |
| 04:41:03 | Wembly | nini |
| 04:42:02 | treke|home | NeoTron: on the options dialog, what does the alarm do? |
| 04:54:17 | Rascal | eterm can |
| 05:03:35 | W|GGL|T | nite all |
| 05:03:37 | W|GGL|T | is away: nite all |
| 05:07:08 | sig | late |
| 05:08:52 | NeoTron | treke|home: disable/enable the noise played when the times get low |
| 05:08:59 | treke|home | ah |
| 05:09:10 | sig | well I'm out too |
| 05:09:14 | sig | I need to read some math |
| 05:18:38 | sig | Sony 24x10x40 (OEM) (Free Ground Shipping) |
| 05:18:41 | sig | Price: $99.99 |
| 05:18:41 | sig | Sale Price: $48.00 |
| 05:18:41 | sig | shit |
| 05:18:44 | sig | http://www.inca-city.com/cdrw.html |
| 05:19:47 | siriusnova | yu |
| 05:19:51 | siriusnova | yo |
| 05:20:10 | siriusnova | anything new? |
| 05:20:30 | siriusnova | hellooo? |
| 05:21:07 | siriusnova | am i talking to myself here |
| 05:22:19 | sig | I'm here |
| 05:22:37 | darienm | heya |
| 05:22:39 | siriusnova | ok |
| 05:22:52 | darienm | siriusnova: You were talkinga bout avantgo, or offline reading before? |
| 05:22:57 | Rascal | kergoth anyluck with oz? |
| 05:22:59 | siriusnova | yea |
| 05:23:03 | sig | same crap different color |
| 05:23:03 | siriusnova | i was |
| 05:23:06 | darienm | siriusnova: You tried wwwoffe yet? |
| 05:23:16 | darienm | siriusnova: I mean wwwoffle |
| 05:23:42 | siriusnova | www.mazingo.net |
| 05:23:45 | siriusnova | ro |
| 05:23:47 | siriusnova | no |
| 05:24:11 | darienm | siriusnova: yeah, we were looking at mazingo. That looks interesting for a subscription service, but if you only want offline web browsing, wwwoffle will do the trick |
| 05:24:43 | siriusnova | cool |
| 05:25:16 | siriusnova | hmm... i might try it |
| 05:25:42 | siriusnova | brb |
| 05:26:17 | sig | darienm: how big is wwwoffle |
| 05:26:56 | darienm | sig: big in what sense? The appliation is not bad, and the offline cache is whatever size you specify |
| 05:27:08 | sig | hmm |
| 05:27:14 | sig | I do see perl for z now |
| 05:27:15 | darienm | sig: the ipk is 188K |
| 05:27:17 | sig | sweet |
| 05:27:22 | darienm | sig: if that is any indication |
| 05:27:38 | sig | bad ass |
| 05:27:43 | sig | I got perl in my z now |
| 05:27:45 | Guest | oicool |
| 05:27:46 | sig | is away |
| 05:28:03 | sig | ARM port of perl 5.6.x gotten from http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/perl, trimmed and ipkged. |
| 05:28:18 | darienm | sig: perl is also listed on ZSI |
| 05:28:40 | sig | i've been waiting for this package |
| 05:28:53 | sig | but I'm sad to say that zic can't handle perl |
| 05:28:56 | sig | :( |
| 05:29:01 | sig | i was going to make a systeminfo scipt |
| 05:29:08 | sig | scipt=script |
| 05:29:12 | sig | for the z irc |
| 05:29:40 | siriusnova | didn't perl come out a while ago? |
| 05:30:09 | sig | siriusnova: probably, I have been really busy |
| 05:30:17 | siriusnova | for the Z |
| 05:30:22 | siriusnova | k |
| 05:30:38 | sig | I am getting terrible lag |
| 05:30:49 | siriusnova | me too |
| 05:30:50 | sig | got a dude sucking off my ftp |
| 05:30:56 | siriusnova | heh |
| 05:31:11 | siriusnova | heh |
| 05:31:13 | Speedy2 | Kill him |
| 05:31:23 | sig | Speedy2: can't |
| 05:31:27 | sig | I owe him these |
| 05:31:37 | sig | he's getting two iso's |
| 05:31:43 | sig | soldier of fortune 2 |
| 05:32:51 | Speedy2 | ah |
| 05:33:10 | sig | he gave me crossover |
| 05:33:16 | sig | so now we're even |
| 05:33:22 | sig | I need to head to bed |
| 05:33:50 | sig | I'll see you guys tomorrow |
| 05:34:08 | sig | hasta |
| 05:34:24 | sig | is away | math, sleep | |
| 06:03:06 | fusion94- | is away: sleeping |
| 06:14:16 | noidd | yawns |
| 06:14:18 | noidd | morning |
| 06:15:27 | jmhodges | heya |
| 06:15:28 | jmhodges | whew |
| 06:15:35 | jmhodges | NWN is awesoem btw |
| 06:15:41 | jmhodges | i should go to bed.. |
| 06:15:42 | jmhodges | nah |
| 06:15:56 | noidd | i keep being told to look at nwn |
| 06:15:59 | noidd | maybe i should |
| 06:16:13 | jmhodges | wait for the linux client |
| 06:16:19 | jmhodges | well all be screaming about it in here when it happens |
| 06:16:36 | noidd | you think it will happen ? |
| 06:17:03 | jmhodges | yeah its supposed to |
| 06:17:11 | jmhodges | its why a ton of people bought it |
| 06:17:20 | jmhodges | and they said they are wokring on it |
| 06:17:32 | jmhodges | but no one knows when it will be done just "soon" |
| 06:17:49 | noidd | sounds like my documentation |
| 06:18:04 | jmhodges | heheh noidd |
| 06:18:28 | noidd | attempts to join #qt if it exists on this server |
| 06:19:18 | jmhodges | hey should i hit Y or N to this fstab question |
| 06:19:19 | jmhodges | ? |
| 06:19:23 | jmhodges | im assuming Y |
| 06:19:35 | jmhodges | hits Y |
| 06:20:07 | jmhodges | keeps hitting Y |
| 06:20:17 | noidd | you mean fsck right? |
| 06:20:32 | jmhodges | ACK |
| 06:20:42 | jmhodges | shit my resolv.conf got overwritten |
| 06:20:43 | jmhodges | dammit |
| 06:20:50 | jmhodges | i knew i should have chilled on the Y |
| 06:21:27 | noidd | well, if you had said N...then you'd have had to have fsckd again |
| 06:21:34 | noidd | so dont sweat it |
| 06:21:42 | jmhodges | hehe ok |
| 06:21:44 | noidd | or change to a journalled filesystem :-) |
| 06:21:51 | jmhodges | ouch :) |
| 06:22:09 | jmhodges | is there anyway the default can be forced to Y then? |
| 06:22:16 | jmhodges | that maybe confusing |
| 06:22:21 | jmhodges | realizes this is beta |
| 06:22:21 | jmhodges | shuts up |
| 06:22:34 | noidd | I hope that sharp put iptables hooks into the kernel this time ... we can write a firewall package for the Z then :-D |
| 06:22:48 | jmhodges | heheheeh |
| 06:23:18 | jmhodges | noidd: what now? we use the sharp rom? why not build one just for oz? |
| 06:23:27 | noidd | jmhodges: yes there is... most distributions will default to yes all the way through unless it needs to do something risky |
| 06:23:33 | jmhodges | er.. sharp kernel |
| 06:23:36 | jmhodges | SORRY |
| 06:23:38 | jmhodges | is too tired |
| 06:23:50 | jmhodges | noidd: coolio |
| 06:23:56 | jmhodges | just thougth i might ask |
| 06:23:58 | jmhodges | :_ |
| 06:24:19 | noidd | if there is something risky, it will tell you to run it manually and give you the command and a root prompt |
| 06:24:20 | jmhodges | so i meant "what now? we use the sharp kernel? what is holding oz back from rolling its own?" |
| 06:24:27 | noidd | they want *YOU* to press the button :-) |
| 06:24:41 | noidd | OZ does roll its own |
| 06:24:48 | jmhodges | well if the install demands it? .. |
| 06:24:54 | jmhodges | then why cant .. uh.. |
| 06:24:57 | jmhodges | thinks.. |
| 06:25:12 | jmhodges | um. whats keeping oz from adding iptables? too large i though |
| 06:25:12 | jmhodges | t |
| 06:25:25 | noidd | I assumed that oz had iptables |
| 06:25:47 | noidd | all you need are the hooks, you can then have the iptables as modules.. np |
| 06:25:59 | jmhodges | oooooh gotcha |
| 06:26:09 | jmhodges | so are you oz or sharp? :) |
| 06:26:15 | noidd | at the moment, sharp |
| 06:26:25 | jmhodges | cool |
| 06:26:29 | noidd | I would love to move to oz, but I need the hancom and java stuff |
| 06:26:29 | jmhodges | wahst the docs for? |
| 06:26:35 | jmhodges | goddamn i want Norah Jones |
| 06:26:40 | jmhodges | noidd: ah why? |
| 06:27:08 | noidd | jmhodges: my company is writing evilsoftware[tm] for the Zaurus |
| 06:27:19 | jmhodges | oooh :) |
| 06:27:24 | jmhodges | you with the tkc* bunch? |
| 06:27:32 | noidd | nope |
| 06:27:37 | noidd | nothing to do with them at all. |
| 06:27:53 | jmhodges | ok then what company are you with :) |
| 06:28:01 | noidd | Critical Integration |
| 06:28:07 | jmhodges | hmm... |
| 06:28:17 | noidd | you wont see any software by us, its all under development and NDA |
| 06:28:17 | jmhodges | interesting .. ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for opie-addressbook: |
| 06:28:17 | jmhodges | libqpe.so.1.5.0 |
| 06:28:19 | jmhodges | me no like |
| 06:28:26 | jmhodges | aaah i see noidd |
| 06:28:26 | noidd | so you wont find any clues. |
| 06:28:38 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 06:28:48 | noidd | you'll like our homepage tho |
| 06:28:57 | noidd | http://www.criticalintegration.com |
| 06:29:24 | jmhodges | heheh |
| 06:29:35 | noidd | luckly, I'm not the one writing the java bits... |
| 06:29:35 | jmhodges | so new even Google doesnt have it |
| 06:29:36 | jmhodges | :) |
| 06:29:43 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 06:29:54 | jmhodges | noidd: so what can you tell me about the apps? |
| 06:30:02 | jmhodges | so im guessing they will not be OS then? |
| 06:30:17 | noidd | nope :-( |
| 06:30:29 | noidd | I have to make a living with these - sorry |
| 06:30:36 | jmhodges | hehehe :) |
| 06:30:37 | noidd | i'll only sell probably 10 copies anyways |
| 06:30:47 | jmhodges | but you cant tell us the first either right? |
| 06:30:56 | jmhodges | noidd: depends |
| 06:31:05 | jmhodges | if they are decent theyll sell more |
| 06:31:07 | noidd | its very clever network management stuff |
| 06:31:29 | noidd | jmhodges: its a Z port and interface to one of my server products |
| 06:31:37 | noidd | normally runs on Solaris servers |
| 06:31:59 | jmhodges | hehe one of your server products? :) cool |
| 06:32:21 | jmhodges | doesnt know much about solaris products :/ |
| 06:32:35 | noidd | solaris is just another unix, nothing special |
| 06:32:43 | jmhodges | well yeah |
| 06:32:52 | jmhodges | but i dont know much about solaris specific products :/ |
| 06:33:19 | noidd | well, this could be ported to other unixes, but we sell the unix box with the software |
| 06:33:29 | noidd | ie, people buy the hardware with the software pre-installed. |
| 06:33:49 | noidd | and we remotly manage it too |
| 06:33:56 | jmhodges | hmmmm... |
| 06:34:13 | jmhodges | tries to think of a server product that would be used on Z |
| 06:34:26 | jmhodges | wonders what noidd's real name is so he can google properly |
| 06:34:34 | noidd | do whois :-) |
| 06:34:37 | noidd | its there for you |
| 06:34:50 | noidd | and you wont find any refferences to it on google - lol |
| 06:34:55 | jmhodges | red? |
| 06:35:00 | noidd | although you will find lots of refferences to em |
| 06:35:01 | jmhodges | aaah ok :P |
| 06:35:02 | noidd | me |
| 06:35:20 | jmhodges | blast |
| 06:35:21 | noidd | ok, maybe you wont |
| 06:35:23 | noidd | Redvers Davies |
| 06:35:26 | noidd | is the name |
| 06:35:38 | noidd | google away |
| 06:35:49 | noidd | but no taking the piss out of 5 year old newbie posts :-D |
| 06:36:58 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 06:37:05 | jmhodges | GoPronto? |
| 06:37:10 | jmhodges | looks like a mail client .. |
| 06:37:19 | jmhodges | jsut wondering what it is |
| 06:37:21 | jmhodges | not if thats the app |
| 06:37:46 | darienm | http://software.linux.com/projects/elbow/?topic=371,372 |
| 06:37:55 | darienm | elbow is a simple multiplayer boardgame under development. Its aim is world domination, supporting 2-4 players. |
| 06:37:59 | jmhodges | just saw that :) |
| 06:38:11 | noidd | darienm: haha, thats my first Gtk.pm application |
| 06:38:12 | jmhodges | mklinuxfw |
| 06:38:19 | jmhodges | mklinuxfw is a project to make the best possible firewall configurator for multiple platforms. The idea is that you can use the same GUI interface to generate the configuration files for any other firewall product like Linux 2.0 (ipfwadm), Linux 2.2 (ipchains), Firewall1, Altavista, Cisco, etc. |
| 06:38:31 | jmhodges | youve been busy noidd |
| 06:38:39 | noidd | thats REALLY old |
| 06:38:56 | noidd | thats like code 1 year after learning perl |
| 06:39:01 | jmhodges | you didnt happen to contribute to the "english-to-american" dictionary |
| 06:39:06 | jmhodges | hehe noidd |
| 06:39:15 | darienm | The speaker (Redvers Davies) was asked to build a program for the auction to be held at the end of YAPC. |
| 06:39:17 | noidd | please don't take that as as example of my coding standards now :-) |
| 06:39:29 | jmhodges | or help www.beattie-home.net ? |
| 06:39:31 | noidd | yes to dictionary |
| 06:39:44 | noidd | www.beattie-home.net, don't recognise that |
| 06:39:54 | jmhodges | http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=1998-10-28-003-10-OP-0005 |
| 06:39:56 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 06:40:01 | jmhodges | post to linuxtoday.com |
| 06:40:03 | noidd | darienm: yup - I did a tutorial at yapc::europe |
| 06:40:17 | jmhodges | signed a guestbook at btinternet.com ? |
| 06:40:23 | jmhodges | http://www.btinternet.com/~homepage/guestbookfile1.html |
| 06:40:47 | noidd | I used to 0wn btinternet.com :-) |
| 06:41:18 | jmhodges | or work on saskatchewan chamber of commerce? |
| 06:41:21 | jmhodges | aaah eheheh |
| 06:41:28 | jmhodges | a entrepreneur eh noidd? |
| 06:41:30 | noidd | darienm: where is this refference to www.beattie-home.net ? |
| 06:41:34 | jmhodges | s/a/an/ |
| 06:41:36 | darienm | T-shirt idea by Redvers> Perl programmers do it with a debugger |
| 06:41:40 | noidd | saskatchewan chamber of commerce is nothing to do with me |
| 06:41:50 | darienm | noidd: what? |
| 06:41:56 | jmhodges | thrid page.. third from the last noidd |
| 06:42:29 | jmhodges | hm.. after the 3 or 4th page.. the names are separated :) |
| 06:42:43 | noidd | I am considering doing a Qt.pm tutorial at YAPC::Europe this year. |
| 06:42:52 | noidd | if I can get the damn thing to compile - i'll do that |
| 06:43:05 | noidd | if I cant.... I'll do my Gtk.pm tutorial again :-) |
| 06:43:20 | jmhodges | what is Gtk.pm ? |
| 06:43:25 | darienm | noidd: http://e-zine.nluug.nl/hold.html?cid=163 |
| 06:43:31 | noidd | perl bindings for Gtk |
| 06:43:39 | jmhodges | aaah duh |
| 06:43:50 | noidd | the superiour widget set compared to Qt |
| 06:43:52 | noidd | hides |
| 06:44:33 | jmhodges | :) |
| 06:44:43 | jmhodges | yah lots of qt zealots in here |
| 06:44:50 | jmhodges | im trying to remember who was going to port gtk |
| 06:44:57 | jmhodges | i think it was one of the w's |
| 06:45:03 | jmhodges | maybe whardier |
| 06:45:08 | darienm | noidd: http://www.yapc.org/Europe/2001/talks.html |
| 06:45:08 | jmhodges | maybe.. warmi |
| 06:45:53 | noidd | darienm: yup - that would be the one. |
| 06:46:22 | noidd | I want to do "Developing graphical applications with Qt.pm on handheld devices" |
| 06:46:26 | noidd | this year |
| 06:46:43 | jmhodges | cool :) |
| 06:46:49 | noidd | I have 5 days to get it ready - I need the damn library to compile before I can do it! |
| 06:46:58 | jmhodges | :( the link is bad |
| 06:47:04 | jmhodges | hehehe noidd |
| 06:47:34 | darienm | I'm looking for one or more ILLUSTRATIONS or FLOWCHARTS that show how XWindows works from a client/server point of view. Any suggestions? |
| 06:47:48 | noidd | jmhodges: you just want a copy of my demonstration program strip_buffy |
| 06:47:59 | jmhodges | sure! |
| 06:48:11 | jmhodges | doesnt know perl but is always interested in new things |
| 06:48:36 | noidd | hey - I see what you mean about the slides being broken |
| 06:48:43 | noidd | give me 10 secs and i'll fix that |
| 06:49:29 | jmhodges | cool :) |
| 06:54:49 | noidd | jmhodges: try the slides link now. |
| 06:55:04 | jmhodges | shit i lost it |
| 06:55:09 | jmhodges | smacks his forehead |
| 06:55:18 | jmhodges | there we go |
| 06:57:22 | jmhodges | cool noidd |
| 07:09:22 | jmhodges | i like it |
| 07:09:26 | jmhodges | staight forward |
| 07:09:36 | jmhodges | maybe its just your style of teaching though :) |
| 07:12:32 | noidd | jmhodges: those slides were the first hour or so |
| 07:12:36 | noidd | I do a lot of chalk and talk. |
| 07:12:51 | jmhodges | cool :) |
| 07:13:03 | noidd | jmhodges: I find that a LOT easier than with slides |
| 07:13:13 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 07:13:15 | noidd | it also means that if the audience want to do summut else, they can |
| 07:13:28 | jmhodges | :) |
| 07:13:30 | jmhodges | lol |
| 07:14:01 | jmhodges | if i ever learn perl i remember to learn GTK.pm |
| 07:14:18 | jmhodges | why are perl modules named .pm? is it a packaging scheme? |
| 07:17:40 | jmhodges | ook |
| 07:17:44 | jmhodges | gnight folks |
| 07:17:59 | jmhodges | waaaaaay to late for me |
| 07:20:20 | noidd | pm = perl module |
| 07:20:44 | darienm | hes gone |
| 07:29:54 | noidd | hehe |
| 07:30:05 | noidd | <jmhodges> why are perl modules named .pm? |
| 07:30:19 | noidd | why are Perl Modules named .pm? |
| 07:30:23 | darienm | Yeah. I saw that. |
| 07:30:25 | noidd | it must be late for him :-) |
| 07:30:36 | darienm | he doesn't know perl, admitedly |
| 07:31:00 | noidd | its just late for him |
| 07:31:00 | darienm | it would be legitimate for him to ask why some scripts were named .pl versus .cgi also |
| 07:31:10 | noidd | darienm: absolutely. |
| 07:31:33 | darienm | Technically, there is no reason the modules have a .pm extension. |
| 07:31:43 | noidd | darienm: it was just the way that the question was worded that was funny. if it was during the day he would have spotted that. |
| 07:31:49 | noidd | the boy was tired :-) |
| 07:31:56 | darienm | probably |
| 07:36:10 | darienm | noidd: You have a zaurus currently, yes? |
| 07:36:39 | | catalin was last seen on #opie 1 days, 14 hours, 43 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: ljp_work: and there's also mini-skins, which is quite an innovation for Qtopia [Mon Jul 15 17:53:32 2002] |
| 07:36:39 | darienm | ibot seen catalin |
| 07:39:18 | noidd | darienm: yup |
| 07:39:45 | darienm | Got a moment to rate a site on usefulness to the Zaurus community? |
| 07:40:37 | noidd | sure, go ahead |
| 07:40:39 | noidd | url? |
| 07:40:40 | darienm | http://zaurus.kruss.com/ |
| 07:40:47 | noidd | looking |
| 07:40:56 | darienm | even looks good ON your Zaurus, if you have it wired. |
| 07:41:35 | NeoTron | is away: zzz |
| 07:42:00 | darienm | someone poke him, he's snoring again... |
| 07:42:04 | noidd | Hrm, how can we teach ibot on #zaurus to search killfiz? I grabbed the source, its perl. Now just to tweak it and contact ibot's owner. |
| 07:42:06 | noidd | hah |
| 07:42:24 | noidd | send your patches back to the main source tree :-) |
| 07:42:24 | darienm | I'm serious. I thought of it today, and we discussed it in here. |
| 07:42:36 | darienm | nah, not important enough for the source tree... |
| 07:43:09 | darienm | There's already a 'search' module -- it can search google and others. So having it search killefiz is no biggie. Getting it implemented is the challenge. |
| 07:43:38 | darienm | Hrm.. I might have a typo there. |
| 07:44:07 | darienm | fixed |
| 07:44:20 | darienm | killEfiz |
| 08:14:37 | Jerakeen | hey, where's all the oz zImages gone? |
| 08:17:10 | hunger | kergoth: Is buildroot-oz up to date in CVS? |
| 08:17:20 | hunger | kergoth: I have to rebuild the beast once more. |
| 09:19:47 | Jerakeen | Is there a rotation applet tht works? (I have font problems with all the ones I can find) |
| 09:24:18 | noidd | Jerakeen: yes - the version I have works perfectly |
| 09:24:32 | noidd | the one I downloaded the first time worked for some applications but with no text :-) |
| 09:24:37 | noidd | and crashed with others |
| 09:28:15 | treke|home | night |
| 09:32:05 | treke|home | morning |
| 09:36:15 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 09:41:22 | noidd | hey Cloudchaser, hows it going? |
| 09:41:48 | Cloudchaser | ok.. have to go to work in a little bit |
| 09:42:53 | hunger | Any idea how I can get around this problem: |
| 09:42:56 | hunger | arm-linux-ld: ERROR: entry-armv.o uses hardware FP, whereas kernel.o uses software FP |
| 09:42:57 | hunger | ? |
| 09:43:17 | Cloudchaser | not me ;( |
| 09:48:52 | noiddAWAY | hunger: no idea - sorry :-( |
| 09:49:00 | noiddAWAY | I know what it means but have no idea how to fix it |
| 09:49:35 | noiddAWAY | hunger: looks like a no-go until they provide software FP support |
| 09:52:07 | hunger | noiddAWAY: Both files were compiled using the same compiler. |
| 09:52:28 | hunger | noiddAWAY: It's the kernel from openzaurus, it should build:-( |
| 09:54:58 | Jerakeen | Can I persuade ipkg to ignore the fact that another package already provides a file, and install andyway. It doesn't seem to be one of the -force-<option>s. |
| 09:58:49 | djax | Heya |
| 10:00:38 | AiNaKeR | where to buy one zaurus in europe? |
| 11:05:20 | noiddAWAY | AiNaKeR: What country are you in? |
| 11:05:41 | noiddAWAY | Espania? |
| 11:09:44 | nobse | Hmm, is it possible to sync the Z via cf lan card with the Qtopia Desktop? I forgot my cradle at home. |
| 11:17:43 | noidd | Well, my C++ knowledge now exceeds my C knowledge - so thats progress right? |
| 12:14:21 | djk | Has anybody use the latest ROM 2.37 and Qtopia of a wired network connection? |
| 12:26:14 | djk | quiet channel |
| 12:29:31 | noidd | I have ROM 2.37 but not wireless, sorry |
| 12:30:33 | benmeyer | Morning |
| 12:36:42 | noidd | hey benmeyer |
| 12:36:45 | noidd | hows it going? |
| 12:37:38 | benmeyer | good |
| 12:37:44 | benmeyer | working away on my ftpclient |
| 12:38:00 | noidd | very cool :-) |
| 12:38:14 | noidd | I'm hacking away at some C++ |
| 12:38:20 | noidd | and I blame this channel entirely |
| 12:38:29 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 12:38:56 | noidd | don't laugh |
| 12:39:08 | noidd | I had no desire to ever do anything with C++ or Qt |
| 12:39:14 | noidd | then you 'orrible lot came on |
| 12:39:46 | noidd | and I find myself writing a paper for an international perl conference on writing graphical apps in perl on handhelds |
| 12:40:13 | noidd | whether I submit the paper depends on whether I can get this f*&^*(&^*&^g thing to compile :-) |
| 12:41:32 | noidd | first glance at c++, I must admit I much prefer the syntax than C |
| 12:41:50 | noidd | its very much closer to my natural coding style |
| 12:42:28 | noidd | I am an obsessive bracketter |
| 12:42:34 | BigBoss | try Python :) |
| 12:42:44 | noidd | BigBoss: nah :-) |
| 12:42:51 | Jerakeen | I don't like c++ because of the PURE EVILNESS that suddenly appears with macros and STL nastiness. |
| 12:42:53 | noidd | (float) variable |
| 12:43:08 | noidd | float(variable) |
| 12:43:14 | noidd | the latter seems FAR more natural to me |
| 12:45:08 | noidd | its just syntax tho |
| 12:45:37 | BigBoss | well STL is messed up |
| 12:45:57 | Mickey0 | BigBoss: you're into python? Fine. It's always glad to hear that non-academic institutes are using this language. |
| 12:46:13 | Mickey0 | s/It's/I'm |
| 12:49:05 | BigBoss | Python rocks - we use it as an enabling platform |
| 12:49:17 | BigBoss | we have an IDE for it, one of our developers made the Qt bindings for it |
| 12:49:26 | BigBoss | it's the scripting language in another of our products |
| 12:49:35 | hunger | kergoth: Are you here? |
| 12:49:52 | BigBoss | and we creating Python bindings in our plug in componenet technology called Kore |
| 12:52:07 | noidd | I actually like python |
| 12:52:19 | noidd | it has some peculiarities that I just cant get used to - but its nice |
| 12:52:20 | Mickey0 | BigBoss: Sounds good. We're using python here @ Frankfurt university with great success in the cs lessons. We have much more success than we had with pascal, modula and java |
| 12:52:32 | BigBoss | Python is the best language I've seen pretty much ever |
| 12:53:12 | BigBoss | Mickey0: you should check out www.thekompany.com/products/blackadder and www.thekompany.com/products/rekall and www.thekompany.com/products/tkcreall |
| 12:53:48 | noidd | BigBoss: I cant used to the idea that format is important. |
| 12:54:06 | Wembly | notes python isnt without its faults. |
| 12:54:23 | noidd | Its a double edged sword - on the one hand it forces you to format correctly... on the other hand, it reminds me of FORTRAN :-) |
| 12:54:35 | Mickey0 | BigBoss: We were evaluating python IDEs and have pretty much settled on BlackAdder however we didn't find a distributor in germany yet. Is there one? |
| 12:54:39 | djk | Anybody use Qtopia over the network instead of the serial or usb? |
| 12:55:43 | benmeyer | yah |
| 12:55:48 | noidd | not I djk, but some of the others may have. |
| 12:55:49 | benmeyer | jason does |
| 12:56:08 | BigBoss | Mickey0: because it is beta still, we aren't letting distributors take it yet, we are very close to the final release however |
| 12:56:16 | BigBoss | ixsoft will carry it once it is ready |
| 12:56:27 | BigBoss | if youbuy it from us directly before the beta is over, it is much cheaper |
| 12:56:53 | Mickey0 | BigBoss: are there any discounts for academic institutes available? |
| 12:57:57 | djk | benmeyer: jason? |
| 12:58:13 | BigBoss | Mickey0: no there isn't - our prices are already so low |
| 12:59:41 | Mickey0 | BigBoss: :)) ok... i'll have a talk with our software administrator. thanks for the information. |
| 13:01:17 | BigBoss | you bet |
| 13:02:24 | noidd | Well, I've just been told I have 30 days to evaluate and return this Compaq SD Ram card to the supplier. They want a 20% re-stocking fee if they test it and its working. |
| 13:02:39 | noidd | shouldn't be too hard to break on day 29 :-D |
| 13:02:42 | noidd | (just kidding) |
| 13:04:47 | djk | What SD have worked well in the Zaurus? I had and returned the SanDisk before seeing its problem. Sharp recommended the Toshiba but I cannot find it anywhere trust worthy to buy from |
| 13:05:17 | noidd | djk: Not sandisk, Not compaq. |
| 13:05:25 | djk | ;-) |
| 13:05:30 | Mickey0 | djax: I have a 64MB from "ExtremeMemory" which works fine. |
| 13:05:44 | Mickey0 | s/ax/k |
| 13:06:34 | djk | I would like a 128MB (really 256 but the price there is more than double a 128) |
| 13:07:15 | hunger | djk: I got a sandisk 128MB. works fine for me. |
| 13:07:30 | djk | When did you get it? |
| 13:08:00 | hunger | djk: 2 weeks after my Z... march iirc. |
| 13:08:45 | djk | My was a month ago and the Zaurus saw tried to install some applications to it and then it disappeared. Tested it in a Palm which saw but could not use it or format it |
| 13:09:21 | djk | after reading other people's failures with decided too risky to swap |
| 13:09:53 | hunger | djk: I have some apps on it, but I use symlink magic all over the place. |
| 13:10:11 | djk | Mickey0: where did you get the ExtremeMemory is it by chance an OEM Toshiba product? |
| 13:10:14 | hunger | djk: So I have not used ipkg's magic to find apps. |
| 13:10:46 | Mickey0 | djk: no idea. i got it here in germany from a dealer named km-elektronik |
| 13:11:42 | djk | Mickey0: thank you I'll search around maybe some in the states carry it |
| 13:12:13 | djk | hunger: thank you for the feed back. I am still timid on the SanDisk product. |
| 13:13:03 | djk | hunger or Mickey0: either of you use qtopia over the network on the zaurus? |
| 13:14:27 | Mickey0 | djk: you mean via nfs? no. i have /opt/QtPalmtop directly on the SD. |
| 13:15:53 | djk | Mickey0: No I am refering to the Qtopia Desktop and the syncing features in it. |
| 13:16:22 | Mickey0 | djk: oh i see - no. i had no need for synching yet. |
| 13:17:04 | djk | do you use the Z for all data entry? |
| 13:17:50 | noidd | djk: the sandisk SD problem will be fixes RSN in the next firmware upgrade according to sharp. |
| 13:18:01 | noidd | with the 4242 issue |
| 13:19:17 | djk | noidd: RSN? that would Sharp's firmware update? |
| 13:19:42 | noidd | djk: yup, no firm timescales but "soon" |
| 13:19:49 | djk | they just released one so I guess that will be a while |
| 13:20:00 | noidd | i've been here a less so have no concept of Sharps definition of "soon" |
| 13:20:20 | djk | Gee would they include the security fixes in that release? |
| 13:20:21 | noidd | djk: with all the flack they got on the web about the 4242 issue, i'd expect them to try harder |
| 13:21:14 | djk | noidd: I have been missing something what is the 4242? |
| 13:21:38 | noidd | djk: its a security issue that blew up in the computing press |
| 13:22:05 | noidd | got sharp lots of bad press sadly |
| 13:22:21 | noidd | I would have thought that a fast turn-around on that security fix would be commericially important |
| 13:22:51 | djk | noidd: Oh the same that I was meaning. It was brought up to them back in January too bad they did get ssh in place sooner. |
| 13:23:39 | noidd | djk: well, its there now and they have to deal with it I guess |
| 13:23:52 | djk | noidd: agreed and would seem to be fairly simple to do. But I am not in development |
| 13:24:20 | noidd | fixing the handheld is easy. |
| 13:24:37 | noidd | fixing the syncing software that goes with it probabbly takes more effort |
| 13:24:44 | somneo | quickie question: how do I restore from a backup made in qtopia using opie? |
| 13:24:46 | djk | true |
| 13:25:24 | djk | and qtopia does not seem to be as quick on developing releases as others involved with the Zaurus. |
| 13:26:15 | somneo | I haven't found a package that contains the backup/restore utility.. does one exist? Is there any other way of restoring from a backup at the terminal? |
| 13:26:35 | Jerakeen | somneo: the backup is a tarball, I think. |
| 13:27:02 | somneo | right, it isn't labled as such but that was my suspicion.. |
| 13:27:52 | somneo | Thanks Jerakeen, I'll give it a hack |
| 13:33:45 | benmeyer | somneo: tar -xf in root |
| 13:34:15 | nobse | can I sync my Z with qtopia desktop via cf lan card, without the usb cradle? |
| 13:34:33 | kyaphas | Hello there. Anyone know of a way to program a page up/page down key? I read a ton of ebooks, this one line up/down thing is killing me. :-) |
| 13:37:02 | BigBoss | what ebook reader are you using? |
| 13:37:53 | kyaphas | Nothing dedicated, all my files are in .txt or .html. So I can go to anything from there, but with the text editor in the zaurus, I was hoping to just toss them right in. What dedicated readers are good? |
| 13:41:26 | BigBoss | there aren't any, that is why I was asking :) |
| 13:41:33 | kyaphas | Oh ok. :-) |
| 13:41:55 | kajUk | BigBoss: you're not right |
| 13:42:11 | treke|home | kyaphas: qtreader |
| 13:42:16 | kyaphas | I was just thinking, if I can get the pgdn working, then it'd be better since I can fix OCR errors as I go, and upload the final doc later. |
| 13:42:21 | kyaphas | qtreader, eh? |
| 13:42:55 | kyaphas | Cool, found it. I'll check that out. |
| 13:43:03 | kajUk | I use uqtreader I as I need to read UTF8 texts |
| 13:45:28 | treke|home | away work |
| 13:57:23 | djk | nobse: I have asked the same question. It is not "supported" currently but I have heard that some people have done it with a wireless connection so one would think it should be possible with a wired connection. |
| 13:58:22 | nobse | djk: Hmm, which people? I need it _now_ :-) |
| 14:15:39 | darienm | qtreader is an excellent product. I've read several books on it. |
| 14:15:57 | darienm | Very nice features, all available WITHOUT the stylue. The MENU button actually works ! |
| 14:16:22 | darienm | stylue = stylus |
| 14:17:38 | darienm | djk: I found good prices on SD cards at http://memorypro.com/ |
| 14:17:59 | W|GGL|T | it barely makes the cut for me....qtreader does |
| 14:18:00 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 09:14:20) |
| 14:19:38 | darienm | W|GGL|T: What's your major gripe with qtreader? |
| 14:20:23 | kergoth | morning all |
| 14:20:26 | | somebody said owner was zwampy |
| 14:20:26 | darienm | ibot owner |
| 14:20:31 | kergoth | qtreader is in opie now. opie-reader |
| 14:20:35 | | zwampy was last seen on #tuxboxproject 27 days, 18 hours, 11 minutes and 1 seconds ago, saying: urg why cant I just do #format /mnt/floppy [Wed Jun 19 21:09:34 2002] |
| 14:20:35 | darienm | ibot seen zwampy |
| 14:21:06 | | catalin was last seen on #opie 1 days, 21 hours, 27 minutes and 34 seconds ago, saying: ljp_work: and there's also mini-skins, which is quite an innovation for Qtopia [Mon Jul 15 17:53:32 2002] |
| 14:21:06 | darienm | ibot seen catalin |
| 14:22:44 | smee | etoomanytaskbaricons.../me would like to see 1 icon for ejecting both sd and cf |
| 14:23:31 | darienm | smee: makes sense |
| 14:23:49 | kergoth | smee: iirc opie did that with the new cardmon applet |
| 14:23:57 | tboc | btw. skin-support for opieplayer ... someone working on it? |
| 14:24:02 | kergoth | tboc: ljp. |
| 14:24:11 | tboc | kergoth: k |
| 14:24:13 | kergoth | tboc: he's skinned it already. not publicly available yet |
| 14:24:23 | kergoth | tboc: he based it on the skinning support in the player in qtopia 1.6 |
| 14:24:24 | tboc | kergoth: oh, ic |
| 14:24:26 | smee | cardmon applet.../me checks that out...thanks |
| 14:24:31 | kergoth | np |
| 14:25:12 | tboc | kergoth: what about the slider? can you customize it, too? |
| 14:25:33 | warmi | hi |
| 14:25:41 | kergoth | tboc: dunno, ask ljp :-) |
| 14:25:44 | kergoth | hay warmi |
| 14:25:45 | tboc | k :) |
| 14:25:48 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:26:04 | | ljp was last seen on #zaurus 10 hours, 46 minutes and 6 seconds ago, saying: shoe I mean [Wed Jul 17 04:39:58 2002] |
| 14:26:04 | tboc | ibot seen ljp |
| 14:26:20 | | ljp_ was last seen on #zaurus 3 days, 20 hours, 27 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: ibot: insult customs [Sat Jul 13 18:58:32 2002] |
| 14:26:20 | kergoth | ibot: seen ljp_ |
| 14:26:26 | warmi | hi |
| 14:26:27 | | ljp_work was last seen on #zaurus 17 hours, 19 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying: :) [Tue Jul 16 22:06:58 2002] |
| 14:26:27 | kergoth | ibot: seen ljp_work |
| 14:26:29 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:26:30 | darienm | warmi: Hey I got some new perl scripts for you to try out :) |
| 14:26:30 | kergoth | hey warmi |
| 14:27:05 | warmi | darienm: for me to try out ?? |
| 14:27:06 | warmi | hehehe |
| 14:27:08 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 14:27:32 | tboc | hmm, could someone please include usb over ethernet in the network settings? =) |
| 14:27:40 | warmi | tux_mike: still working on OPIE addressbook ? |
| 14:27:43 | darienm | warmi: we know how much you 'love' perl.... |
| 14:27:45 | kergoth | tboc: work is already underway |
| 14:27:51 | tboc | kergoth: nice :) |
| 14:28:02 | tux_mike | warmi: more or less |
| 14:28:03 | kergoth | tboc: someone is revamping the netsetup completely. adding usb networking, wireless config directly in netsetup, a working netmon applet, etc |
| 14:28:30 | darienm | kergoth: But I bet nobody is still working on the Mac USB issue.... :( |
| 14:28:35 | warmi | darienm: I knew I should have kept my mouth shut |
| 14:28:49 | darienm | warmi: I had my fun, I'm done now. |
| 14:29:18 | warmi | btw .. perl script for what ? you played around with ibot src code ? |
| 14:29:54 | darienm | warmi: well, yes, I did. But the owner hasn't been around for 27 days... |
| 14:29:55 | hunger | kergoth: Hi! |
| 14:30:05 | hunger | kergoth: Does OZ build for you right now? |
| 14:30:27 | warmi | trying to make ibot search zsi ? |
| 14:30:34 | kergoth | hunger: I've got a number of commits pending. |
| 14:30:39 | warmi | heh |
| 14:30:42 | kergoth | hunger: working on the next release. |
| 14:30:44 | warmi | that would be cool |
| 14:30:46 | warmi | heh |
| 14:30:47 | darienm | warmi: Yes, that's the goal. |
| 14:30:53 | hunger | kergoth: I can't build the kernel, libc, etc. |
| 14:31:05 | darienm | warmi: it only depends on contacting the owner of ibot that runs here, and about 20 other channels on OPN |
| 14:31:08 | kergoth | hunger: libc still builds here, but the kernel.mk has pending changes |
| 14:31:13 | | ibot was last seen on #zaurus 163 days, 9 hours, 22 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying: BZFlag: what ? [Mon Feb 4 05:08:46 2002] |
| 14:31:13 | darienm | ibot seen ibot |
| 14:31:23 | hunger | kergoth: I think that's because of gcc-3.1 |
| 14:31:32 | hunger | kergoth: libc complains about that being to new. |
| 14:31:40 | kergoth | hunger: ah |
| 14:31:51 | warmi | yeah, I know .. I don't know if they accept functionality that is specific to a channel.. |
| 14:31:51 | hunger | kergoth: ncurses does not build either, another gcc-3.1 issue:-( |
| 14:32:29 | warmi | I zsi search would only be usefull for #opie or #zaurus channels |
| 14:32:42 | darienm | warmi: then maybe we'll need to run our own bot. It is my pleasure to introduce..... zbot !!! |
| 14:32:57 | kergoth | hah |
| 14:33:02 | kergoth | hunger: that sucks. |
| 14:33:03 | warmi | hehe |
| 14:33:11 | kergoth | hunger: but not surprising |
| 14:33:31 | hunger | kergoth: It's only the C++ part of ncurses. |
| 14:33:57 | hunger | kergoth: Any guess when you'll commit? |
| 14:36:17 | tboc | re |
| 14:36:29 | Fluxwerk | is back (gone 18:36:03) |
| 14:37:09 | ljp_work | quiet today |
| 14:37:25 | kergoth | hunger: in a few minutes. i'm beating opie's cardmon over the head atm |
| 14:37:26 | kergoth | yeah |
| 14:37:37 | kergoth | ljp_work: cardmgr is running, it mounts, but cardmon doesnt show a damn thing. |
| 14:37:43 | hunger | kergoth: Cool. |
| 14:37:57 | hunger | kergoth: Take your time, I#ll just go off and play a bit:-) |
| 14:37:59 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 14:38:07 | sjohnson | Is Opie/Qtopia required for the Z to suspend and resume properly? |
| 14:42:59 | bipolar | kergoth: ping |
| 14:43:03 | kergoth | pong |
| 14:43:20 | kergoth | ljp_work: hm.. /var/lib/pcmcia/stab exists.. contains the card info.. nothing wrong there.. hm |
| 14:44:35 | kergoth | bipolar: pong |
| 14:46:17 | bipolar | kergoth: hows OZ comming? is 10.3 ready? :) |
| 14:46:45 | sjohnson | I've got some suspend/resume wierdness with my Z. I'm running OZ, but w/o opie. I can only suspend with apm, but it would resume. ANy ideas? |
| 14:48:07 | bipolar | kergoth: it seems you have done some version changing. |
| 14:48:34 | kergoth | bipolar: hm? |
| 14:48:36 | kergoth | woo |
| 14:48:43 | kergoth | ljp:! irdapplet worked! |
| 14:48:45 | kergoth | :-) |
| 14:48:50 | kergoth | ljp: woo hoo |
| 14:49:10 | Mickey0 | kergoth: openobex ready for zaurus? is it in the feed yet? |
| 14:49:13 | bipolar | kergoth: it's now 2.9.4 |
| 14:49:25 | bipolar | kergoth: but no files are there now |
| 14:49:32 | kergoth | bipolar: I'm fixing things now. |
| 14:49:40 | bipolar | kergoth: ahhhh.... very cool |
| 14:49:56 | kergoth | Mickey0: yeah glib and openobex are in the OZ feed. you may want irda-common from familiar also for the command line utils |
| 14:50:07 | kergoth | Mickey0: then echo "alias irda0 sa1100_ir" >> /etc/modules.conf |
| 14:50:17 | kergoth | Mickey0: and install libopieobex and irdaapplet :-) |
| 14:50:32 | kergoth | but this cardmon thing is pissing me off |
| 14:50:34 | Mickey0 | kergoth: great. doing this now. |
| 14:51:37 | kergoth | Mickey0: note i havent tested actual beaming .. as i have no other device to beam to/from :-) |
| 14:51:38 | bipolar | perhaps we should move the IrDA applet and the cardmon applet together so that the taskbar is not so crowded... |
| 14:51:47 | kergoth | bipolar: eh, there's completely different. |
| 14:51:52 | kergoth | bipolar: they dont belong together |
| 14:52:01 | Mickey0 | kergoth: i can test this with my siemens s45 after a meal :) |
| 14:52:05 | kergoth | Mickey0: great |
| 14:52:10 | bipolar | kergoth: I can test with my brothers palm |
| 14:52:28 | kergoth | bipolar: cool. well if i can fix this cardmon issue, i'll release it. it seems pretty solid atm. |
| 14:52:37 | darienm | what if all taskbar applets sat inside one 'master' taskbar applet -- with hierarchical menus :) |
| 14:53:14 | kergoth | darienm: ew :-) |
| 14:53:17 | kergoth | re ljp |
| 14:53:23 | kergoth | ljp_work: irdaapplet works! |
| 14:53:35 | kergoth | ljp_work: :-) course cardmon still doesnt... |
| 14:53:50 | ljp_work | irda.. nice |
| 14:54:04 | kergoth | ljp_work: so mickey0 is going to test actual beaming. hopefully it works |
| 14:54:15 | kergoth | ljp_work: echo alias irda0 sa1100_ir >> /etc/modules.conf |
| 14:54:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:54:38 | bipolar | kergoth: will you be releasing a new rom and kernel as well? |
| 14:54:43 | kergoth | yes. |
| 14:54:49 | kergoth | the kernels will have the fix for the new linksys cards |
| 14:54:58 | ljp_work | kergoth: I can also test beaming with my sharp z |
| 14:55:16 | kergoth | ljp_work: oh yeah :-) cool |
| 14:58:56 | Mickey0 | kergoth: hmm... PC and Zaurus see each other, but i can't send anything over irda: PC says "connection refused" |
| 14:59:11 | Mickey0 | kergoth: i will get to the car and try with the s45 |
| 14:59:24 | Mickey0 | brb |
| 14:59:26 | kergoth | Mickey0: hmm.. what method are you using to send? beaming a contact? |
| 15:00:28 | benmeyer | ljp_work: every tried the ftp client that comes with qt as an example of networking in qt? |
| 15:00:31 | benmeyer | nice easy port |
| 15:00:35 | benmeyer | all native too |
| 15:01:03 | ljp_work | benmeyer: of course.. but QFtp class isn;t available |
| 15:01:15 | ljp_work | only QSocket |
| 15:01:17 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 15:01:23 | benmeyer | insert the magic of ben |
| 15:01:44 | benmeyer | got a prototype up and working already connecting |
| 15:02:05 | ljp_work | hmm interesting |
| 15:02:08 | benmeyer | with a sprinkle of magic gpl dust |
| 15:02:14 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:02:25 | kergoth | dropped a ftp protocol implmentation onto QSocket? |
| 15:02:41 | benmeyer | yup |
| 15:03:32 | ljp_work | does it give feedback about bytes sent/received? |
| 15:03:50 | ljp_work | for a progress bar |
| 15:03:59 | benmeyer | when downloading/uploading? |
| 15:04:00 | benmeyer | yah |
| 15:04:39 | ljp_work | cool.. threaded? |
| 15:05:34 | ljp_work | or how about when the server doesn't respond.. or does it handle timeouts? |
| 15:05:34 | benmeyer | think so |
| 15:05:42 | benmeyer | signals |
| 15:05:54 | benmeyer | all Q_Object type goodness |
| 15:06:15 | ljp_work | cool. I'd rather go with something like that than that ftplib |
| 15:06:20 | benmeyer | yah |
| 15:06:23 | benmeyer | I noticed the list |
| 15:06:23 | benmeyer | lib |
| 15:06:35 | benmeyer | that is why I thought I would see if I couldn't use a pure implimentation |
| 15:06:43 | ljp_work | the code that is from originally was QFtp |
| 15:06:47 | benmeyer | didn't think it would work, but hey I got lucky |
| 15:06:58 | benmeyer | ? |
| 15:07:11 | ljp_work | my ftp client.. not ftplib |
| 15:07:18 | ljp_work | it uses QFtp |
| 15:07:23 | ljp_work | err used |
| 15:07:23 | benmeyer | I just copied the QFtp class into my app |
| 15:07:24 | tboc | ljp_work: btw. how far is the skin support for opieplayer? =) |
| 15:07:24 | benmeyer | ah |
| 15:07:34 | benmeyer | why did you change? |
| 15:07:37 | W|GGL|T | should take a nap |
| 15:07:49 | sjohnson | is away: I'm busy |
| 15:07:53 | kergoth | too. too bad i'm at work. |
| 15:08:05 | ljp_work | tboc: player 2 has it.. I may port it for player, I just need to get the skin for the current default look going |
| 15:08:10 | Mickey0 | kergoth: hmm... no go. mobile phone says "connection broken" |
| 15:08:14 | W|GGL|T | is jobless but the kids are at daycare (for once) |
| 15:08:49 | kergoth | Mickey0: hmm.. you enabled irda with the applet, and sa1100_ir is loaded, and libopieobex is installed, and openobex and glib are installed, right? |
| 15:08:50 | kergoth | hm |
| 15:09:00 | tboc | ljp_work: you could use mine for that ;P |
| 15:09:28 | ljp_work | well, I wanted to have users not notice a change for the default |
| 15:09:40 | ljp_work | for player1 that is |
| 15:09:41 | tboc | k |
| 15:09:44 | Mickey0 | yes. the devices even recognize each other. only sending/receiving doesn't work. |
| 15:09:58 | kergoth | Mickey0: hm.. |
| 15:10:28 | tboc | ljp_work: but 'ripping' the buttons from current look is fairly easy iirc |
| 15:10:55 | ljp_work | ya,,.. all thats really needed is to create the image masks for button placement |
| 15:11:30 | tboc | ic |
| 15:12:09 | Mickey0 | kergoth: any debugging with the irda-utils possible? |
| 15:12:14 | ljp_work | but the video wodget hasn't had the skinning change in qtopia 1.6 |
| 15:12:30 | ljp_work | irdadump |
| 15:13:00 | Mickey0 | in irda-common.ipkg? |
| 15:13:07 | kergoth | irda-common only has irattach |
| 15:13:33 | benmeyer | kergoth: do you have the script for ripping opera? |
| 15:13:44 | benmeyer | I put handcom up on killefiz |
| 15:13:49 | benmeyer | to rip the hancom apps |
| 15:13:54 | benmeyer | still have opera to do |
| 15:14:14 | kergoth | benmeyer: ah.. i just have that script that produced ipks from any file on the rom based on a text file that outlined which files belonged to which packages |
| 15:14:26 | benmeyer | yah |
| 15:14:27 | kergoth | benmeyer: but i dont remember what the status was on it |
| 15:14:46 | kergoth | this is really pissing me off |
| 15:14:54 | kergoth | cardmon isnt working.. |
| 15:15:25 | Jerakeen | Anyone know the page where 5000D users could get the hancom apps? |
| 15:17:21 | zecke | kergoth: Mickey0: how far are you with the beaming stuff? |
| 15:17:23 | ljp_work | benmeyer: feel free to hack that ftp class into opieftp.. ;) or you could send me your class either way |
| 15:19:10 | Mickey0 | zecke: all devices regonize each other but transmitting data is not possible ("remote device refused connection") |
| 15:19:36 | zecke | Mickey0: finding is kernel layer |
| 15:19:40 | Mickey0 | i tried with a PC and with a Siemens mobile phone |
| 15:19:42 | zecke | Mickey0: obex is user space |
| 15:19:55 | zecke | Mickey0: do you've irobex_palm3 installed? |
| 15:20:04 | zecke | Mickey0: and to which device to you want to beam? |
| 15:20:13 | Mickey0 | zecke: irobex_palm3? no, what's this? |
| 15:20:14 | zecke | Mickey0: which PC? |
| 15:20:30 | zecke | Mickey0: libopieobex is a wrapper around irobex_palm3 |
| 15:20:50 | zecke | Mickey0: openobex is so borked we didn't wanted to use it direclty ( memleaks.... ) |
| 15:21:16 | Mickey0 | zecke: aha. so then libopieobex has a dependency on irobex_palm3? |
| 15:21:44 | zecke | Mickey0: so libopieobex depends on the familiar package openobex |
| 15:22:06 | zecke | Mickey0: familiar puts libopenobex + openobexutils in one package |
| 15:22:24 | Mickey0 | zecke: ok, but i used kergoth's openobex. what's in there? |
| 15:22:45 | zecke | Mickey0: I dunno... my iPAQ is plugged my Z not |
| 15:23:09 | kergoth | zecke: what util do we need? |
| 15:23:11 | Mickey0 | zecke: ok whatever, i'm doing a complete ipkg upgrade, then reboot and trying... maybe this can help :) |
| 15:24:02 | zecke | kergoth: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/openobex/openobex-apps-0.9.8.tar.gz?download |
| 15:24:31 | kergoth | zecke: k. currently i just have the lib installed. |
| 15:25:06 | zecke | kergoth: I told you that we wrap around an executable |
| 15:25:34 | kergoth | zecke: I didnt know that until now. |
| 15:25:43 | kergoth | adding it.. |
| 15:25:43 | Mickey0 | ok. so i can quit trying to beam for now :) |
| 15:29:05 | kergoth | Mickey0: yep. revamping the openobex packaging. adding the utils. |
| 15:30:49 | Mickey0 | kergoth: ok. have to shutdown for some hours... l8er |
| 15:33:44 | sig | don't you guys ever sleep? |
| 15:33:56 | W|GGL|T | yeah, at night |
| 15:33:57 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 15:34:20 | XavierXeon | sig: its already evening |
| 15:34:29 | sig | XavierXeon: where do you live? |
| 15:34:36 | sig | I just woke up here and am late for school |
| 15:34:46 | XavierXeon | germany |
| 15:34:49 | sig | damn |
| 15:34:51 | sig | ok, I'm out |
| 15:35:04 | XavierXeon | i just came back from work :) |
| 15:39:53 | XavierXeon | kergoth: i tried the initrd.bin dated 16th July with the old 48-16 zImage. i could not mount my CF cards. |
| 15:41:11 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 15:41:11 | W|GGL|T | ibot feed |
| 15:41:33 | kergoth | XavierXeon: i know |
| 15:41:41 | kergoth | XavierXeon: which is why its no longer available :-) |
| 15:41:50 | kergoth | XavierXeon: I'm working on the initrd now |
| 15:42:18 | XavierXeon | kergoth: it is still on the sourceforge mirrors. |
| 15:42:40 | W|GGL|T | can't save files in opera on the Z, eh? |
| 15:43:04 | XavierXeon | W|GGL|T: you can if the right mime type is set in the html file |
| 15:43:30 | W|GGL|T | what about .ipk files? |
| 15:43:41 | W|GGL|T | haven't gotten opie-ftp to work yet |
| 15:43:45 | W|GGL|T | http works tho |
| 15:44:20 | XavierXeon | it really depends on how the html page is designed. if the link has no mime type then opera will think its a text file and load it |
| 15:44:45 | W|GGL|T | yeah...i already saw that |
| 15:45:20 | XavierXeon | W|GGL|T: wget always works, but is easier to use with konqueror |
| 15:46:34 | fusion94 | is back (gone 05:58:16) |
| 15:49:59 | W|GGL|T | it would be cool if the backup utility with the stock rom would let you backup to a server on the net |
| 15:51:16 | XavierXeon | W|GGL|T: make a script to do it. i can send you mine if you want some reference. |
| 15:52:18 | W|GGL|T | just musing...im still playing with the Z online. just got it working last night, thru the cradle...now i WANT wireless something fierce! |
| 15:52:45 | W|GGL|T | i may have to sneak into the checking account and purchase an AP and wireless card...hehe |
| 15:52:55 | XavierXeon | "The Opie dev team are mostly a scraggly bunch of Germans and other Europeans, with a few western hemispherians." I always thought i live in thw west ! |
| 15:53:22 | XavierXeon | W|GGL|T: wireless is the best feature of the Z. |
| 15:54:10 | W|GGL|T | yeah, just not exactly cheap |
| 15:54:20 | oGMo | has anyone made any Opie roms? |
| 15:54:54 | kergoth | oGMo: yes. |
| 15:54:56 | | openzaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 15:54:56 | kergoth | ibot: openzaurus? |
| 15:55:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:55:03 | XavierXeon | i know its not cheap, but i never regretted buying a WLAN router + CF card |
| 15:55:08 | kergoth | grr |
| 15:55:10 | kergoth | obex_put_common.o(.text+0x3e0): undefined reference to `g_print' |
| 15:55:14 | oGMo | ah thanks, the opie site doesn't even have links to the .ipk's they have ;) |
| 15:55:22 | kergoth | oGMo: yes, it does. |
| 15:55:42 | kergoth | oGMo: http://opie.info/ http://opie.handhelds.org/ http://opie.us/ |
| 15:58:21 | oGMo | kergoth: hrm k thanks |
| 15:59:08 | toolafial | I just need a wireless card, as the school I'm going to has wireless internet access |
| 16:01:52 | ljp_work | kergoth: you can 86 that report last night from me about alarms not working... heheheh mixed up AM and PM.. doh |
| 16:02:12 | kergoth | ljp_work: lol.. |
| 16:02:15 | kergoth | ljp_work: thanks |
| 16:03:00 | ljp_work | note to self.. use 24 hour clock for clearer times |
| 16:03:43 | kergoth | yeah i've taken to using 24hr myself |
| 16:04:05 | Fluxwerk | uses swatch clicks for time :) |
| 16:04:26 | warmi | I can't kill dos window on my Win2000 workstations .. nothing, not even three finger salute and direct kill from there works .. never seen that persistan DOS cmd window huh |
| 16:05:08 | warmi | I guess I am gonna have follow the standard procedure in cases like that and .. reboot |
| 16:05:11 | ljp_work | pulling the power plug does the trick for me |
| 16:05:16 | Fluxwerk | warmi: can't kill it from task manager? |
| 16:05:26 | kergoth | woo got openobex-apps built |
| 16:05:33 | warmi | Fluxwerk: nope |
| 16:05:39 | Fluxwerk | whack |
| 16:05:43 | warmi | that 's why it is so strange |
| 16:05:57 | tux_mike | kergoth: you got glib on there? |
| 16:06:00 | warmi | normally task manager will kill everything |
| 16:06:00 | Fluxwerk | ah the world of windows |
| 16:06:14 | kergoth | tux_mike: yes. we're close to having beaming working. irda already does. |
| 16:06:33 | tux_mike | kergoth: cool. i got it working on the previous beta :) |
| 16:06:37 | Fluxwerk | like the Nt4.0 install I did that you could NOT log into |
| 16:06:38 | warmi | maybe this suckes has some sort of dialog somewhere asking if I really want to kill that window .. but I can't find that dialog |
| 16:06:40 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:06:52 | warmi | sucker even |
| 16:06:52 | tux_mike | can someone help me out with a simple script, most likely perl? |
| 16:07:23 | ljp_work | tux: you did get beaming working in oz? |
| 16:07:29 | tux_mike | ljp: yah |
| 16:07:44 | tux_mike | you just grab glib and openobex from the familiar feed |
| 16:07:45 | ljp_work | with the familiar stuff? |
| 16:07:50 | tux_mike | yup |
| 16:08:01 | ljp_work | hmm cause it didn't work here |
| 16:08:17 | tux_mike | ljp: you also need a script to manually load the modules |
| 16:08:21 | kergoth | tux_mike: right now i just need to add the openobex-apps, since libopieobex uses them, not libopenobex |
| 16:08:21 | tux_mike | for ir |
| 16:08:24 | ljp_work | could ever enable irdaapplet |
| 16:08:27 | kergoth | tux_mike: actually you dont |
| 16:08:29 | tux_mike | kergoth: yah |
| 16:08:33 | tux_mike | kergoth: i needed to |
| 16:08:42 | kergoth | tux_mike: echo alias irda0 sa1100_ir >> /etc/modules.conf; depmod -a; |
| 16:08:46 | kergoth | tux_mike: :-) |
| 16:08:50 | ljp_work | ahhhh.. I knew there was a secret trick |
| 16:08:57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:09:01 | tux_mike | whatever |
| 16:09:05 | kergoth | cardmon is still busted. |
| 16:09:06 | bipolar | IrDA should give you an error if it can't activate IrDA, shouldn't it? |
| 16:09:07 | kergoth | pissing me off |
| 16:09:11 | ljp_work | grumbles to himself |
| 16:09:15 | kergoth | bipolar: the irdapplet doesnt give shit for errors |
| 16:09:24 | bipolar | kergoth: that zux |
| 16:09:51 | Speedy2 | re |
| 16:10:33 | kergoth | re Speedy2 |
| 16:10:38 | Speedy2 | Hey kergoth |
| 16:10:45 | | BigBoss was last seen on #zaurus 2 hours, 29 minutes and 19 seconds ago, saying: there aren't any, that is why I was asking :) [Wed Jul 17 14:41:26 2002] |
| 16:10:45 | Speedy2 | ibot: seen BigBoss |
| 16:11:06 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Do you have access to Sun Solaris or HPUX? |
| 16:11:09 | kergoth | goddamnit. grr! |
| 16:11:11 | kergoth | Speedy2: both |
| 16:11:12 | Speedy2 | The CD I gave has executables for that too |
| 16:11:13 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 16:11:17 | kergoth | hah, nice |
| 16:11:28 | kergoth | stupid cardmon |
| 16:11:33 | kergoth | beats opie-cardmon |
| 16:13:03 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I'll e-mail you the directions for that, apparently you have to be able to "su" |
| 16:13:09 | Speedy2 | (to install) |
| 16:13:22 | Speedy2 | The Win9x/NT version was buggy as all hell...it would lock-up pretty frequently. |
| 16:14:03 | kergoth | ahahahaha |
| 16:15:22 | kergoth | i found the issue |
| 16:15:22 | kergoth | that was fucking stupid |
| 16:15:22 | kergoth | Speedy2: ah, k.. cool |
| 16:15:22 | kergoth | ljp_work: /var/run/stab existed, but was a directory.. that file is checked before it falls back to /var/lib/pcmcia/stab |
| 16:15:23 | kergoth | how lame |
| 16:16:54 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Linux... |
| 16:17:31 | Sniper | sup everyone |
| 16:17:41 | tboc | btw. is it true that MMC-cards are slower than SD's? |
| 16:18:12 | kergoth | hey Sniper |
| 16:18:15 | kergoth | Speedy2: hehe |
| 16:18:20 | W|GGL|T | hi Sniper |
| 16:20:05 | fusion94 | morning Sniper |
| 16:20:32 | Sniper | fusion94: havent heard anything new yet.. but im hoping soon |
| 16:20:48 | fusion94 | Sniper: k |
| 16:22:14 | JasonNJ | whazza |
| 16:22:19 | JasonNJ | kergoth: 10.3? |
| 16:22:26 | warmi | tboc if they are than it they suck big time .. SD is very slow itself (cfompared to CF) |
| 16:22:30 | fusion94 | werd |
| 16:22:47 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ugh as always a bunch of stupid little bugs existed in the first initrd.. hehe. |
| 16:22:52 | warmi | tboc if they are then they suck big time .. SD is very slow itself (cfompared to CF) |
| 16:22:54 | tboc | warmi: just heard that somewhere ... |
| 16:22:57 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i need a testing procedure :-) |
| 16:23:08 | warmi | tboc: could be |
| 16:23:28 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: you really really need to get onto engineering and push for Mac OS X compatability |
| 16:23:39 | JasonNJ | fusion94: apple is doing the driver for us |
| 16:23:42 | tboc | warmi: btw. are there any differences between your commercial puzzle-version and the sourcecode except the levels? |
| 16:24:04 | JasonNJ | the whole darwin team has z's |
| 16:24:08 | warmi | source code is exactly the same as commercial version, including all the levels |
| 16:24:16 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: heh..i was joking but thats excellent |
| 16:24:23 | fusion94 | bah |
| 16:24:31 | fusion94 | all of darwin has z's and i cant get one ?? |
| 16:24:37 | warmi | this game was licensed under BSD license, "commercial " version is just for people who don't want to compile it themselves |
| 16:24:39 | JasonNJ | tehy BOUGHT them |
| 16:24:41 | fusion94 | kicks JasonNJ and Sniper |
| 16:24:46 | Fluxwerk | Apple keynote pissed people off today :) |
| 16:25:02 | tboc | warmi: hu? then why are there 50 lvl in the .dat and 450 advertises on your site? =) |
| 16:25:09 | JasonNJ | When does Jobs NOT piss people off |
| 16:25:16 | Fluxwerk | good point |
| 16:25:18 | tboc | warmi: btw. nice license model :) |
| 16:25:26 | Fluxwerk | osX on x86 plz |
| 16:25:29 | Fluxwerk | plz plz |
| 16:25:31 | treke|work | tboc: You get to play each level 9 times |
| 16:26:11 | warmi | tboc: cause dat contains default level set |
| 16:26:36 | Speedy2 | It's funny, isn't it? Apple helped create the StrongARM yet, M$ is the one who has a leading OS for it |
| 16:26:36 | tboc | warmi: ah, ic |
| 16:26:46 | Sniper | what did Jobs say today? |
| 16:26:53 | Speedy2 | And Apple flushed their Newton stuff down the drain. |
| 16:26:55 | Fluxwerk | $129 for Jaguar |
| 16:27:03 | Fluxwerk | $100/yr for .mac |
| 16:27:08 | warmi | if you go to Qtopia folder ( inside the source code tree) you will find the rest in opt/QtPalmtop/pics/levels/.. |
| 16:27:25 | Fluxwerk | 17" imac |
| 16:27:29 | JasonNJ | .mac |
| 16:27:31 | JasonNJ | how droll |
| 16:27:34 | Fluxwerk | indeed |
| 16:27:36 | siriusnova | sup |
| 16:27:37 | Sniper | ive sent Apple all the stuff they need to do so they can get OSX up and going.. still waiting |
| 16:27:41 | Fluxwerk | taking away what mac users got for free |
| 16:27:50 | Nadav | heh |
| 16:27:58 | Nadav | 17" imac seems nic |
| 16:27:58 | Nadav | e |
| 16:27:58 | treke|work | at least .net is interesting. What is .mac? webspace and email? |
| 16:28:04 | siriusnova | hey is it me or does the clock on the Z not keep time well. |
| 16:28:04 | warmi | tbox: there are two kinds of level packaging .. one is a s C++ include and another is as a standalone file |
| 16:28:13 | JasonNJ | Sniper: did you send them the Service Manual? |
| 16:28:17 | siriusnova | like when it goes into suspend |
| 16:28:31 | Speedy2 | I'm really surprised Apple does not re-introduce a Newton. |
| 16:28:38 | Sniper | jason: just got their NDA aproved by legal so i'll send it |
| 16:28:39 | kergoth | Speedy2: there's definately demand |
| 16:28:46 | JasonNJ | good boy |
| 16:28:48 | Nadav | Too bad they didn't lower the prces ;) |
| 16:28:51 | Nadav | *prices |
| 16:28:51 | Speedy2 | kergoth: No joke. Their handwriting recognition is awesome |
| 16:28:55 | Sniper | our LEGAL stinks |
| 16:28:56 | kergoth | Speedy2: exactly. |
| 16:29:01 | Sniper | they piss me off |
| 16:29:01 | siriusnova | hey |
| 16:29:03 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I sold my Newton 2100s recently. |
| 16:29:08 | JasonNJ | Sniper: really? they stink? |
| 16:29:12 | siriusnova | i asked a question |
| 16:29:19 | siriusnova | :oP |
| 16:29:24 | kergoth | siriusnova: what rom? |
| 16:29:26 | Sniper | jason: I was going to use another word, but didnt want to discourage our developers on the channel |
| 16:29:27 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Only because the size was too big and the LCD was hard to read. Otherwise, it was kick ass |
| 16:29:32 | siriusnova | 2.37 |
| 16:29:35 | kergoth | Speedy2: ah.. |
| 16:29:42 | toolafial | has anyone ported xntpd to the Z yet? |
| 16:29:46 | kergoth | siriusnova: ah, then i have no idea. :-) |
| 16:29:51 | siriusnova | my z doesnt keep time |
| 16:29:53 | fusion94 | Sniper: i agree with your assumption/statement of fact |
| 16:29:55 | JasonNJ | yeah I was going to use a Cartman expression myself |
| 16:30:07 | siriusnova | kergoth, new OZ rom out? |
| 16:30:27 | kergoth | siriusnova: well there was, until i noticed it sucked. then i yanked it, fixed some bugs, and am about to put up a new initrd. |
| 16:30:28 | JasonNJ | the do not RESPECT OUR AUTHORITAH! |
| 16:30:44 | Sniper | loads of BS red tape |
| 16:30:56 | siriusnova | kergoth, k well lemme know when i can flash to it |
| 16:31:03 | treke|work | Sniper: isnt that pretty much legal departments everywhere? |
| 16:31:19 | kergoth | siriusnova: will do |
| 16:31:23 | Sniper | treke: true.. actually let me just generalize and say the whole legal proefssion.. :-) |
| 16:31:25 | JasonNJ | did you see the Robin Williams HBO special? |
| 16:31:28 | JasonNJ | was funny |
| 16:32:22 | kergoth | ljp: you want to test a new initrd in a few mins here for me? I want to keep its distribution minimal until functionality is confirmed. I'd like you to test the beaming. |
| 16:32:27 | siriusnova | legal profession = mucho $$$ |
| 16:33:32 | warmi | yeah, one of the few professions where people make untold bilions without actually producing anything at all |
| 16:33:39 | warmi | pure overhead |
| 16:33:51 | JasonNJ | kergoth: send it over here as well |
| 16:33:57 | siriusnova | hehe |
| 16:34:04 | kergoth | JasonNJ: will do |
| 16:34:10 | siriusnova | scre engineering im gonna be a lawyer |
| 16:34:15 | siriusnova | screw |
| 16:34:23 | siriusnova | hehe |
| 16:34:26 | warmi | siriusnova: actually it is not funny . . we all end up paying their salaries |
| 16:34:32 | siriusnova | good |
| 16:34:34 | fusion94 | um |
| 16:34:37 | JasonNJ | I want to be a lumberjack |
| 16:34:40 | tboc | warmi: hmm... where can i find the levelpacks for puzz-le? or am i missing something? =) |
| 16:34:45 | fusion94 | if you become a lawyer you can screw way more than engineering |
| 16:34:46 | JasonNJ | swinging from tree to tree |
| 16:34:47 | siriusnova | then u will pay mine! |
| 16:34:48 | warmi | tboc: one sec |
| 16:34:54 | tboc | k |
| 16:34:55 | siriusnova | :) |
| 16:35:07 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: dude...you want to be Spiderman....admit it |
| 16:35:09 | siriusnova | lol fusion |
| 16:35:25 | JasonNJ | yes, I want to be a gay spiderman |
| 16:35:31 | siriusnova | haha |
| 16:35:32 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i need that mp3 |
| 16:35:33 | JasonNJ | you got me |
| 16:35:36 | kergoth | lol |
| 16:35:37 | Sniper | jason: now now.. keep your personal life out of work |
| 16:35:43 | fusion94 | moves to another continent |
| 16:35:44 | siriusnova | heh |
| 16:35:49 | siriusnova | brb |
| 16:35:50 | JasonNJ | Sniper: you havent seen those pics have you |
| 16:35:52 | Sniper | jason: i remember hearing about fusion's ass yesterday. :-) |
| 16:35:56 | warmi | . |
| 16:36:19 | warmi | frigging net keeps misbehaving for me today |
| 16:36:26 | treke|work | so... what machine do I need to h4x0r to make the spiderman picture the default OZ background |
| 16:36:29 | | JasonNJ: excuse me? |
| 16:36:29 | JasonNJ | ibot: spiderman |
| 16:36:31 | toolafial | I have a gay spiderman outfit |
| 16:36:58 | JasonNJ | toolafial: gay spiderman doesnt wear an outfit |
| 16:37:07 | JasonNJ | thats WHY he is gay spiderman. |
| 16:37:13 | toolafial | JasonNJ : oh |
| 16:37:21 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 16:37:21 | kergoth | ibot: spiderman is a really kickass movie, and a really frightening pic. |
| 16:38:08 | toolafial | well I have a little kid spiderman pajama set and it fits pretty tight on me |
| 16:38:39 | JasonNJ | the one that covers your feet with those pads? |
| 16:38:55 | toolafial | no, it's made for like 5-8 yr olds |
| 16:39:05 | toolafial | I picked it up at a thrift store |
| 16:39:06 | XavierXeon | i think my computer is broken ! i always end up in the gay spiderman channel instead of #zaurus |
| 16:39:21 | fusion94 | XavierXeon: blame JasonNJ |
| 16:39:31 | JasonNJ | no, BLAME Neotron |
| 16:39:32 | warmi | tboc: inside of puzzle_arm dir .. |
| 16:39:40 | kergoth | ljp: wooo cardmon behaves :-) |
| 16:39:45 | fusion94 | bah |
| 16:39:50 | JasonNJ | he'll be doing Gay Spiderman games next |
| 16:40:02 | warmi | look in Qtopia]puzz-le\opt\QtPalmtop\pics\puzz-le\levels |
| 16:40:18 | warmi | each level set has its own directory there |
| 16:40:36 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: lol |
| 16:40:43 | tboc | warmi: oops, sorry ... didn't look in that dir =) |
| 16:40:44 | XavierXeon | JasonNJ: gay spoderman game will sell well in japan |
| 16:41:01 | XavierXeon | they like strange games |
| 16:41:16 | JasonNJ | oh man the stock market tanked again |
| 16:41:19 | warmi | if you compile the game and create ipkg as described in puzz-le.INSTALL everything will faill nicely in place on its own |
| 16:41:25 | kergoth | JasonNJ: how bad? |
| 16:41:36 | warmi | basically you will end up with exactly the same ipk as this "commercial" version |
| 16:41:49 | JasonNJ | not that bad |
| 16:42:03 | JasonNJ | Dow down more than 11 points |
| 16:42:08 | JasonNJ | erased gains yesterday |
| 16:42:13 | tboc | warmi: btw. you could take the demo-ver and put the levels in the right dirs? |
| 16:42:23 | warmi | JasonNJ: by the recent standards 11 points is peanuts |
| 16:42:31 | ranf | hi |
| 16:42:44 | benmeyer | where is tr defined? |
| 16:43:05 | warmi | tboc: the levels are already there .. it is executable that has harcoded stuff that prevents it from loading any level about 8 |
| 16:43:14 | tux_mike | benmeyer: i think it's in QObject |
| 16:43:14 | tboc | warmi: hehe, ic :) |
| 16:43:32 | warmi | you would have to replace only executable and everythign would work as in "full" version |
| 16:44:12 | warmi | puzz-le.pro has a line like :#DEFINES= DEMO_VERSION |
| 16:44:32 | tboc | :) |
| 16:44:35 | warmi | if it is uncommeted then you will end up with demo version |
| 16:47:07 | warmi | tboc: do you have your Qtopia dev enviroment set up properly ? were you able to compile anything with it or is Puzz-le the first time you are compiling Qtopia app ? |
| 16:47:44 | tux_mike | warmi: are all the images in the source code for puzz-le? |
| 16:47:49 | tboc | warmi: i've set up the environment to be able to compile opie ... but somehow it doesn't work right |
| 16:48:22 | kergoth | tboc: seperate apps are different than opie. you need to set TMAKEPATH differently. |
| 16:48:24 | tboc | warmi: i think i'll just have to change the makefile |
| 16:48:30 | warmi | no, some stuff is separated in themes/ dir as png files |
| 16:48:44 | kergoth | tboc: change TMAKEPATH=/path/to/tmake/lib/qws/linux-arm-g++ instead of lib/linux-g++ |
| 16:48:57 | sjohnson | is back (gone 01:41:07) |
| 16:49:21 | tux_mike | is really thinking about putting all the images into his app, compiled in |
| 16:49:25 | warmi | tboc: I think you should follow www.zauruszone.com way of setting up two scripts for setting up X86 and arm env |
| 16:49:25 | tboc | kergoth: k, thx |
| 16:49:45 | warmi | this way all you have to do is run . ./dev_arm or . ./dev_x86 |
| 16:50:04 | kergoth | thing is, tmakepath is different when building opie than when building seperate apps that use tmake |
| 16:50:12 | warmi | then go to the source dir and run tmake puzz-le.pro > Makefile and you are ready to rock |
| 16:50:12 | kergoth | cause opie has a two step makefile creation process |
| 16:50:24 | warmi | kergoth: ah ok |
| 16:50:34 | warmi | kergoth: btw .. I got OPIE running well in X86 |
| 16:50:39 | kergoth | nice.. |
| 16:50:44 | kergoth | what do ya think? |
| 16:50:49 | warmi | but no matter what I do compilation process ends with that ipaq alarm crap erroring |
| 16:51:03 | warmi | is this normal .. is it the last step ? |
| 16:51:12 | warmi | OPIE works great for me |
| 16:51:22 | warmi | seems like all apps are there and everythign |
| 16:51:27 | kergoth | not sure if its the last step offhand.. just remove it from the root Makefile |
| 16:51:37 | warmi | kergoth: that's what I thought .. |
| 16:51:56 | warmi | anyway, I don't care .. OPIE works fine and I am just gonna work on my showimg small piece anyway |
| 16:52:04 | kergoth | hehe. cool. |
| 16:52:11 | warmi | that thing won't even use libopie so it could be completely standalone ipkg |
| 16:52:56 | kergoth | warmi: we were discussing adding QT_QWS_OPIE so that you could conditionally use opie stuff, like ofileselector.. so that you could use the same sources for generating both opie internal version, and seperate ipk with no dependencies |
| 16:53:14 | warmi | tux_mike: compiling all images inside of your exec makes perfect sense as long as you don't plan on introducing graphic themes or stuff like that |
| 16:53:17 | Oriumpor_ | hrm |
| 16:53:22 | kergoth | re Oriumpor |
| 16:53:29 | Oriumpor_ | I keep finding myself in the other universe |
| 16:53:33 | tux_mike | warmi: i don't think i will |
| 16:53:37 | warmi | kergoth: that would be great .. |
| 16:53:43 | Oriumpor_ | the #zaurus channel with like 5 people in it... |
| 16:53:47 | tux_mike | warmi: how would you reccomend doing this for PNG images? |
| 16:53:47 | Oriumpor_ | it's wieriding me out |
| 16:53:56 | treke|work | Oriumpor_: net split land |
| 16:53:57 | kergoth | Oriumpor_: ? |
| 16:54:12 | warmi | kergoth: on the other hand .. some apps will need opie specific stuff (opielib) |
| 16:54:13 | Oriumpor_ | I think it's on efnet... this windows client sucks butt |
| 16:54:14 | kergoth | warmi: expect it to occur sometime soon, so feel free to put in the ifdef'd use of ibopie stuff |
| 16:54:23 | kergoth | warmi: yeah. but for some apps, it'll be useful. |
| 16:54:26 | warmi | tux_mike: I just used qtembed to turn png into images.h |
| 16:54:34 | kergoth | warmi: especially for apps that arent part of opie itself |
| 16:54:37 | warmi | kergoth: agree |
| 16:54:38 | kergoth | brb |
| 16:54:44 | Oriumpor_ | allrighty, I'm off to work |
| 16:54:58 | tux_mike | qtembed? hrmm... script you found? |
| 16:55:30 | warmi | tux_mike: no , this is standard Qt executable that comes with qte/qt |
| 16:55:33 | kergoth | stupid stupid stpuid people.. oi |
| 16:55:40 | kergoth | i need a new job |
| 16:56:06 | tux_mike | i'll look for it, i don't see it in my SDK |
| 16:56:22 | warmi | tux_mike: http://www.warmi.net/httpd/html/qt-2.3/qembed.html |
| 16:56:42 | warmi | kergoth: hehehe |
| 16:57:34 | kergoth | tux_mike: its on their ftp under util/ |
| 16:57:40 | tux_mike | ok |
| 16:57:53 | tux_mike | is not near the images stage :) |
| 16:58:40 | warmi | tux_mike: if you have lots of them then NeoTron advice might be in order .. |
| 16:58:45 | warmi | :-) |
| 16:58:55 | warmi | use jpeg instead of png |
| 16:58:58 | tux_mike | how many is a lot? |
| 16:59:04 | warmi | your files will be much smaller |
| 16:59:24 | warmi | I don't know .. if your resulting ipk is like 10 mb in size then you need to rethink your approach :-) |
| 16:59:30 | warmi | just an advice |
| 16:59:41 | tux_mike | i don't think i'll have that many images |
| 16:59:49 | warmi | ok then |
| 17:00:25 | warmi | one more thing .. if you have sprites etc ... try to keep them in one image file .. instead of each sprite in its own file |
| 17:00:37 | warmi | it is better that way |
| 17:00:37 | tux_mike | why is that? |
| 17:00:51 | warmi | you can always use drawPixmap to extract them |
| 17:00:59 | warmi | smaller files etc |
| 17:01:21 | tboc | /usr/src/qte-zaurus/lib/libqte.so: undefined reference to `jpeg_read_scanlines' |
| 17:01:22 | tboc | argh |
| 17:01:24 | tboc | again |
| 17:01:29 | warmi | I do that in Puzz-le with all animated stuff .. each animation frame is just another 'cell' in one, larger png |
| 17:01:48 | kergoth | tobc: the opie qt/e uses an external jpeg lib, not internal |
| 17:01:52 | kergoth | tboc: add -ljpeg |
| 17:02:10 | kergoth | tboc: err not -l.. wtf is the option again.. |
| 17:02:11 | tboc | kergoth: k, thx |
| 17:02:25 | kergoth | tboc: heh. try -ljpeg |
| 17:02:29 | warmi | tboc: you need to have qte compiled exactly as it is specified on opie.handhelds.org .. using the same configure parameters |
| 17:02:29 | kergoth | tboc: let me know how it goes |
| 17:02:32 | tboc | and i thought i had 'fixed' this =) |
| 17:03:15 | tboc | kergoth: worked like a charm =) |
| 17:03:22 | whardier | augh |
| 17:03:24 | kergoth | great |
| 17:03:24 | whardier | that was a lot of beer |
| 17:03:25 | kergoth | re whardier |
| 17:03:45 | whardier | re light |
| 17:05:32 | | i heard beer was blech |
| 17:05:32 | BigBoss | ibot beer |
| 17:05:45 | BigBoss | stupid ibot |
| 17:05:53 | kergoth | whardier: you have a place i can drop an initrd.bin to have jason and ljp try it out? SF has the fucking propogation delay |
| 17:07:05 | whardier | just drop it in /var/www on geezer |
| 17:07:23 | kergoth | whardier: k |
| 17:07:56 | kergoth | ljp_work: irda works out of the box now.. and we have that binary zecke needed. i think beaming will work . |
| 17:08:02 | kergoth | hey Cloudchaser |
| 17:11:43 | W|GGL|T | hi Cloudchaser |
| 17:12:00 | W|GGL|T | is burned out from cutting grass that must be 8" in length |
| 17:12:32 | whardier | is burned out from drinking too much and playing pool with some chick that likes to grind with the table |
| 17:12:46 | W|GGL|T | half the yard is done...the landscapers can cut the rest. I'm not about to die cutting grass |
| 17:12:57 | W|GGL|T | whardier: LOL |
| 17:13:18 | whardier | it was freaky |
| 17:13:24 | ciaolinux | how is the zaurus? is it worthy? |
| 17:13:36 | whardier | worthy of whom? |
| 17:13:46 | W|GGL|T | lol...you're asking that in a channel that's called #zaurus |
| 17:13:54 | kergoth | yeah, you think we might be biased? |
| 17:13:54 | W|GGL|T | of course its worthy :o) |
| 17:13:56 | whardier | with a ciao name |
| 17:13:58 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:14:08 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 17:14:08 | whardier | WE ROLL WITH GAAANGS |
| 17:14:13 | whardier | YOU BETTER BACK IT UPPPP |
| 17:14:24 | kergoth | ciaolinux: dont mind whardier |
| 17:14:28 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:14:32 | toolafial | word |
| 17:14:32 | kergoth | hey killefiz |
| 17:14:42 | whardier | augh |
| 17:14:46 | killefiz | re |
| 17:14:48 | whardier | I got in a HUUUUUUUGE FIGHT last night] |
| 17:15:02 | whardier | I should have known better |
| 17:15:06 | whardier | we were drinking |
| 17:15:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:15:22 | ciaolinux | kergoth: ?? |
| 17:15:23 | whardier | but basically this dude that has never touched linux.. was just all over.. THE MARKET SHARES! |
| 17:15:31 | ciaolinux | what is this channel about? |
| 17:15:37 | whardier | my friend nate and I were like.. "uh.. who cares about the market shares" |
| 17:15:42 | kergoth | ciaolinux: the Sharp Zaurus pda |
| 17:15:54 | whardier | "what if microsoft sues debian?" |
| 17:15:57 | whardier | err.. how? |
| 17:15:58 | kergoth | lol |
| 17:15:59 | ciaolinux | kergoth: well it looks like people talk about something else |
| 17:16:00 | kergoth | fools |
| 17:16:08 | kergoth | ciaolinux: yes, i never claimed we were on topic :-) |
| 17:16:08 | whardier | debian is no two people |
| 17:16:25 | ciaolinux | kergoth: there is nothing to say about zaurus? |
| 17:16:29 | whardier | its spiff |
| 17:16:33 | kergoth | ciaolinux: huh? i didnt say that, now did i/ |
| 17:16:51 | kergoth | ciaolinux: if you want to talk about it, ask a question. say something. |
| 17:17:37 | killefiz | kergoth: what happened to the OZ Image downloads? |
| 17:18:05 | kergoth | killefiz: too many bugs. I'm having ljp and jason do another test. if its okayed, it goes back up. |
| 17:18:37 | toolafial | kergoth : is the changes and updates list still available for the new OZ rom? |
| 17:18:51 | killefiz | kergoth: do I need to flash again when I'm already on OZ - or is an ipkg update enough? |
| 17:18:54 | kergoth | toolafial: I havent finished writing the release notes for the next rom. |
| 17:19:04 | kergoth | killefiz: every change in the new rom is also in the ipks in the feed, or will be. |
| 17:19:15 | ranf | whardier: debian is about 83 people :-) according to http://people.debian.org/~treacy/debconf/ |
| 17:19:19 | tboc | hmm, now it complains that it can't find libstdc++ |
| 17:19:41 | kergoth | tboc: try a tmakepath of linux-sharp-g++ instead of linux-arm-g++ |
| 17:19:44 | toolafial | kergoth : release notes <- that's what they are called, I'm so brain dead today |
| 17:19:50 | kergoth | tboc: you need to use arm-linux-gcc to link, not arm-linux-g++ |
| 17:19:53 | kergoth | toolafial: hehe |
| 17:19:53 | killefiz | kergoth: is it safe to update from the feed now or should I wait a couple of days? |
| 17:19:53 | tboc | kergoth: ok :) |
| 17:20:15 | kergoth | killefiz: its safe.. but i've got about 12 pending changes that need both cvs commit and pushes to the feed |
| 17:20:28 | kergoth | killefiz: so if you want all the improvements, wait a bit, maybe an hour or two |
| 17:20:34 | Rascal | kergoth have you got the romz up yet? |
| 17:20:47 | kergoth | Rascal: not yet, its pending confirmation that beaming works |
| 17:20:56 | Rascal | sounds good |
| 17:21:14 | Rascal | take your time.. |
| 17:21:28 | Rascal | my dead zaurus makes a good paper weight right now.. |
| 17:21:40 | Rascal | ;-) |
| 17:21:40 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:21:41 | killefiz | i'm streaming pcm to my zaurus that is connected to my stereo right now using esd - zaurus sound quality is really good |
| 17:22:07 | Rascal | what wireless card you using? |
| 17:22:33 | kergoth | killefiz: esd for the Z.. what will they think of next |
| 17:22:45 | Rascal | xmms |
| 17:22:45 | tux_mike | why do we need esd? |
| 17:23:08 | killefiz | kergoth: it's really useful for me: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=323 |
| 17:23:11 | kergoth | tux_mike: easy streaming? |
| 17:23:12 | [DrEvil] | because someone thinks we do |
| 17:23:19 | tux_mike | meh |
| 17:23:34 | tboc | kergoth: the different tmakepath doesn't help |
| 17:23:40 | Rascal | I figured it was for xmms |
| 17:23:48 | killefiz | tux_mike: because all all mp3 players on the Z are crap compared to a full fledged desktop player |
| 17:23:51 | kergoth | tboc: edit the makefile. change the linker from arm-linux-g++ to arm-linux-gcc |
| 17:24:17 | Rascal | don't you need to put X on the zaurus then? |
| 17:24:22 | tboc | kergoth: if i link them myself with arm-linux-gcc i get: "/usr/local/arm-linux/bin/ld: warning: libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3, needed by /usr/src/qte-zaurus//lib/libqpe.so, not found (try using --rpath)" |
| 17:24:35 | tboc | oops, i just saw that it's only a warning, not an error =) |
| 17:24:40 | killefiz | Rascal: no - esd has nothing to do with X - it's a 37k ipk |
| 17:24:53 | Rascal | but to load XMMS you need x right? |
| 17:24:55 | kergoth | tboc: uh, sounds like your qt/e got linked with arm-linux-g++ |
| 17:24:56 | Cloudchaser | hiya everyone...at work.. just lurking |
| 17:25:09 | kergoth | Rascal: use xmms on the desktop. run esd on the Z. boom. |
| 17:25:16 | killefiz | Rascal: well - i'm running xmms on my desktop - that has X |
| 17:25:22 | Rascal | ahh ic ic.. |
| 17:25:25 | killefiz | one could also use mpg123 |
| 17:25:39 | tboc | kergoth: hmm, could be :/ |
| 17:26:14 | Rascal | what wireless card fits a headphone |
| 17:26:23 | kergoth | Rascal: read the wireless card guide |
| 17:26:53 | kergoth | Rascal: on the howtos page |
| 17:27:05 | kergoth | hey netamp |
| 17:27:08 | NetAmp | hiya :) |
| 17:27:23 | NetAmp | Opie sysinfo actually replaces the default one? |
| 17:27:29 | NetAmp | Or does it just change the link |
| 17:27:32 | kergoth | NetAmp: a lot of opie apps for the sharp rom do |
| 17:27:37 | kergoth | NetAmp: it replaces the symlink |
| 17:27:43 | NetAmp | ah ok :) |
| 17:28:22 | | howtos is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 17:28:22 | Rascal | ibot howtos |
| 17:28:22 | tboc | kergoth: works anyway =) |
| 17:28:27 | kergoth | NetAmp: if you got a package from myzaurus it should restore the link on uninstall, otherwise it wont |
| 17:28:29 | kergoth | tboc: nice |
| 17:28:30 | NetAmp | Hm I wonder whether putting the Z on a powered cradle every time will be good for the battery ;) |
| 17:28:33 | NetAmp | err :S |
| 17:28:39 | killefiz | NetAmp: how is you Z doing? |
| 17:28:46 | NetAmp | killefiz: It rocks :D |
| 17:28:52 | NetAmp | killefiz: I'm gonna find more games |
| 17:29:05 | tboc | warmi: btw. the widget-order in the options dialog is wrong i guess |
| 17:29:13 | NetAmp | killefiz: Haven't found an SNES emu yet, but I'll try gameboy then |
| 17:29:28 | killefiz | NetAmp: there are 75 games on the zsi - that should be enough |
| 17:29:37 | killefiz | someone has just submitted an Atari 800 emulator |
| 17:29:38 | NetAmp | killefiz: hehe |
| 17:29:43 | NetAmp | sweet |
| 17:29:44 | tboc | warmi: but the game is just great! :) |
| 17:29:58 | NetAmp | I like froot |
| 17:30:09 | kergoth | froot is .. weird.. i dont mind it.. but its too easy imo |
| 17:30:23 | kergoth | i love bustem. need to buy that when i'm not flat broke |
| 17:30:24 | NetAmp | hm yah probably |
| 17:30:32 | NetAmp | also there's no sound in this version of froot :( |
| 17:31:10 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 17:31:24 | NetAmp | but what do you guys think? |
| 17:31:31 | NetAmp | wouldn't it cause a 'memory effect' |
| 17:31:35 | NetAmp | on the battery |
| 17:31:45 | darienm | Froot doesn't need sound. |
| 17:31:51 | NetAmp | to place it on AC power while it's not empty? |
| 17:32:07 | NetAmp | darienm: no it doesn't but would be fun ;) |
| 17:32:13 | toolafial | NetAmp : li-on batteries usually don't have memory effect |
| 17:32:32 | NetAmp | toolafial: That's what Sony says ;) hehe |
| 17:32:33 | darienm | NetAmp: I've been using the gameboy emulator for Zaurus for a while |
| 17:32:42 | darienm | NetAmp: games are barely playable, IMO |
| 17:32:42 | NetAmp | toolafial: but I guess Sharp's are better anyway.. |
| 17:32:48 | NetAmp | darienm: ow :( |
| 17:32:52 | NetAmp | darienm: too slow? |
| 17:33:15 | darienm | NetAmp: They all work in slow-motion. You can do it, but there's no "timing" required to make difficult jumps or execute moves, such as in Tony Hawk Pro Skater |
| 17:33:32 | Speedy2 | bbl |
| 17:33:48 | darienm | NetAmp: And... I'm not 100% sure, but you might not be able to press two keys at once, making run-jump combinations impossible |
| 17:34:16 | darienm | NetAmp: You still looking for the "best" sysinfo ? |
| 17:34:37 | darienm | NetAmp: One that shows memory, swap, and storage on all attached cards? |
| 17:34:50 | NetAmp | darienm: that sounds nice |
| 17:34:55 | darienm | NetAmp: See my reference at http://zaurus.kruss.com/ under Software |
| 17:35:04 | NetAmp | darienm: I currently have opie info and taskmanager |
| 17:35:13 | NetAmp | darienm: thanks I'll take a look :) |
| 17:35:29 | darienm | NetAmp: I've tried them all, this one shines above the rest. I think its on XavierXeon's site... |
| 17:36:30 | tux_mike | hey, what's the regexp to add something to the beggining of the line? |
| 17:36:43 | tboc | i think it would be nice to have something like a 'graphical du'... |
| 17:36:49 | Rascal | bah.. I'm just considering shaving down my dlink wireless card |
| 17:36:54 | benmeyer | you mean like in system info... |
| 17:37:23 | kergoth | tux_mike: s/^/blah/; |
| 17:37:24 | tboc | benmeyer: kinda ... but i'd like to see which dirs/files occupy the space |
| 17:37:36 | NeoTron | notes that Candy Cruncher soon will be released for the Zaurus. |
| 17:37:38 | NeoTron | Finally. :) |
| 17:37:44 | tux_mike | kergoth: thanks |
| 17:38:06 | tboc | benmeyer: so that you for example could tap on a dir in the view and it expands to that dir with its contents |
| 17:39:36 | darienm | fusion94: another Mac OS X user, I assume? |
| 17:40:18 | darienm | treke|work: Still trying to make Spiderman the startup screen? |
| 17:41:11 | tux_mike | kergoth: do you use vim? |
| 17:41:16 | fusion94 | darienm: yep |
| 17:41:19 | NeoTron | I have this great Spiderman URL... |
| 17:41:38 | NetAmp | hah |
| 17:41:40 | darienm | NeoTron: we've seen it -- keep it to yourself, please :) |
| 17:41:48 | NetAmp | NeoTron: better not tell Jason |
| 17:41:56 | kergoth | tux_mike: yeah |
| 17:42:16 | warmi | re |
| 17:42:29 | darienm | fusion94: and its so sad we cant get a driver..... so much these machines can do... |
| 17:42:39 | tux_mike | kergoth: can i use a regexp to add newlines? when i tried s/$/\n/ it just tacks on ^@ at the end of each line |
| 17:42:54 | kergoth | tux_mike: hmmm never tried.. |
| 17:43:44 | tux_mike | kergoth: basically i need to add a block of code between each of the lines in this file. the code is the exact same thing |
| 17:44:47 | whardier | http://www.ijc.org/ |
| 17:44:47 | whardier | what a wonderfull name to have |
| 17:45:06 | kergoth | whardier: lol |
| 17:45:14 | fusion94 | darienm: well according to JasonNJ it's being worked on |
| 17:45:27 | darienm | fusion94: "They" have said that since February... |
| 17:45:39 | whardier | I hate rice cars! |
| 17:45:39 | warmi | heh |
| 17:45:43 | darienm | tux_mike: You can't just do a foreach line... ? |
| 17:45:55 | kergoth | darienm: he's doing this from within vim. |
| 17:45:57 | whardier | they hurt my hungover head |
| 17:46:05 | warmi | darienm: you don't have much trust in Sharp anymore, do you ? |
| 17:46:07 | toolafial | whardier : I do too |
| 17:46:07 | tux_mike | darienm: yah, this is a block of hardcoded data |
| 17:46:07 | warmi | :-) |
| 17:46:08 | NeoTron | darienm: haha. :)) |
| 17:46:11 | tux_mike | i can't use loops :) |
| 17:46:30 | | speedy2 was last seen on #zaurus 12 minutes and 58 seconds ago, saying: bbl [Wed Jul 17 18:33:32 2002] |
| 17:46:30 | BigBoss | ibot seen speedy2 |
| 17:46:36 | darienm | warmi: trust in sharp? trust in apple? I'd like to trust in SOMEONE to write the damn driver. |
| 17:47:06 | whardier | ok |
| 17:47:10 | whardier | so wrap yourself around this |
| 17:47:12 | darienm | tux_mike: Okay, I've done stuff like that before from within vi. |
| 17:47:22 | whardier | according to some ijiot |
| 17:47:24 | warmi | with only 20 K units sold .. how many Apple users are there ? |
| 17:47:31 | whardier | you cannot ghost XP machines |
| 17:47:40 | warmi | Apple/Zaurus users that is |
| 17:47:46 | tux_mike | darienm: ok, all i really need is the newline, the rest i can get done myself :) |
| 17:47:49 | darienm | warmi: On the developer forum there's a clammoring |
| 17:47:52 | whardier | because it stores info about the mac address and a few other unique numbers that your computer has |
| 17:47:59 | whardier | first off.. I wanna know what other unique numbers a computer has |
| 17:48:09 | whardier | and .. uh.. why not just install it w/o a nic in it then? |
| 17:48:12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:48:21 | whardier | I don't get it |
| 17:48:29 | whardier | how did microsoft add the all unwanted maybe bit? |
| 17:48:33 | whardier | I like my offs and ons |
| 17:48:39 | | bigboss was last seen on #zaurus 2 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: ibot seen speedy2 [Wed Jul 17 18:46:30 2002] |
| 17:48:39 | Speedy2 | ibot: seen bigboss |
| 17:48:44 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 17:48:51 | warmi | hahaha |
| 17:48:58 | benmeyer | yells at qvfb for not working! |
| 17:49:18 | warmi | benmeyer: still the same problem ? |
| 17:49:28 | benmeyer | more new problems |
| 17:49:29 | benmeyer | grrr |
| 17:49:31 | darienm | tux_mike: :1,$s/$/\\n/g |
| 17:49:33 | Sniper | i just got off the phone with Sun.. they are very interested in people's resposes to the survey... so please fill it out if u can http://www.zaurus.com/dev/survey/ |
| 17:49:33 | benmeyer | grrrrrr |
| 17:49:50 | warmi | btw .. I just installed Windows CE dev kit + VC++ for CE etc .. |
| 17:49:53 | darienm | tux_mike: that adds a newline at end of each existing line |
| 17:50:04 | warmi | it has an emulator for each CPU CE is know to run on |
| 17:50:14 | warmi | sweet stuff |
| 17:50:16 | kergoth | darienm: so he just needed to escape the \n :-) |
| 17:50:20 | warmi | to bad MFC sucks |
| 17:50:23 | darienm | kergoth: we'll see..... |
| 17:50:29 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:50:35 | Speedy2 | warmi: The CD I have can emulate too. |
| 17:50:48 | warmi | MS knows how to treat developers |
| 17:50:49 | Speedy2 | warmi: Should be in your hands soon. |
| 17:51:03 | warmi | Speedy2: does it run on X86 boxes ? |
| 17:51:21 | darienm | tux_mike: or maybe not... |
| 17:51:33 | tux_mike | nope, adding \n :) |
| 17:51:44 | darienm | tux_mike: so its not going in as literal |
| 17:52:19 | Speedy2 | warmi: Yes, Sun Solaris and HPUX too |
| 17:52:44 | warmi | uh .. Sun will do everything to get at MS anyway they can and support Linux based PDA is part of that strategy |
| 17:52:49 | warmi | Speedy2: thank you :-) |
| 17:53:05 | warmi | supporting even |
| 17:55:07 | benmeyer | arrrrrg.... |
| 17:55:22 | benmeyer | I just spent 5 hour tracking down a gcc bug |
| 17:55:23 | benmeyer | :( |
| 17:55:37 | benmeyer | grumble grumble |
| 17:55:52 | warmi | benmeyer: are you sure it is gcc bug ? |
| 17:55:57 | ljp_work | Grimble Grumble |
| 17:55:58 | benmeyer | yup |
| 17:56:08 | benmeyer | only shows up in i386 |
| 17:56:28 | benmeyer | and not for arm |
| 17:56:32 | benmeyer | some memory mismanagment |
| 17:57:46 | ljp_work | dont compile for 386 |
| 17:58:02 | benmeyer | that along with teh qvfb issues has made today a really bad day |
| 17:58:13 | ljp_work | qvfb issues? |
| 17:58:23 | benmeyer | can't handle groupboxes |
| 17:58:42 | ljp_work | huh? how so? |
| 17:58:52 | benmeyer | segfaults |
| 17:58:54 | benmeyer | :0D |
| 17:58:59 | ljp_work | hmm works here |
| 17:59:05 | benmeyer | download my wireless lan monitor |
| 17:59:09 | benmeyer | run it in qvfb |
| 17:59:11 | benmeyer | doesn't work |
| 17:59:29 | ljp_work | I have a couple apps with group boxes that run fine |
| 17:59:35 | kergoth | benmeyer: you wrote a wireless lan monitor? arent there enough of those? :-P |
| 17:59:38 | benmeyer | some of them |
| 17:59:46 | benmeyer | some work |
| 17:59:47 | benmeyer | some don't |
| 17:59:59 | benmeyer | think ones with grid layouts don't |
| 18:00:00 | benmeyer | who knows |
| 18:00:30 | irc | . |
| 18:01:15 | warmi2 | test |
| 18:01:32 | Rince | test passed |
| 18:01:34 | ljp_work | I use grid layouts with groupboxes, I think |
| 18:01:43 | warmi | yeah |
| 18:01:46 | ljp_work | maybe a parenting issue? |
| 18:01:49 | warmi | warmi2 should be gone now |
| 18:02:02 | benmeyer | it is gernerated by designer |
| 18:02:30 | ljp_work | ooo.. |
| 18:03:06 | ljp_work | I think designer writes too much code. I usually go over it and change stuff |
| 18:04:18 | benmeyer | depends |
| 18:04:22 | benmeyer | some layouts are good |
| 18:04:26 | benmeyer | simply layouts then yes |
| 18:04:29 | benmeyer | too much overhead |
| 18:05:27 | NeoTron | benmeyer: so regarding the thread in the zaurus list, how do we bribe sharp to use us 5000D owners as QA/beta testers etc? |
| 18:05:30 | warmi | I'h tried like 3 times to get going with Designer .. |
| 18:05:44 | warmi | but I always find myself going back to manual stuff |
| 18:05:54 | NeoTron | you have such a huge chance of getting a lot more good constructive feedback than any PocketPC manufacturer could dream of |
| 18:06:00 | NeoTron | warmi: ditto |
| 18:06:13 | NeoTron | it isn't designed for handhelds and lack a lot of widgets in my opinion |
| 18:07:58 | ljp_work | I use designer initally, sometimes, and then usually ditch the ui, and start coding it |
| 18:08:21 | warmi | heh |
| 18:09:16 | warmi | trying to get used to standard command line 'irc' client .. |
| 18:09:27 | NeoTron | ok, so why doesn't people download Bust'em? Bad description? Uninteresting game..? It's so damn fun to play it |
| 18:09:30 | NeoTron | I'm kind of surprised |
| 18:09:40 | BigBoss | costs too much |
| 18:09:41 | NeoTron | too high price? |
| 18:09:44 | ljp_work | haha |
| 18:09:50 | NeoTron | BigBoss: but still, the demo is there |
| 18:09:51 | kergoth | NeoTron: i'm broke |
| 18:09:52 | ljp_work | I'm not a gamer |
| 18:09:58 | kergoth | NeoTron: I'll buy it when i get paid. hehe |
| 18:10:17 | NeoTron | I meant downloads in general not sales too. but perhaps people don't download the demo because the game is too high priced for them |
| 18:10:31 | BigBoss | I'm just kidding - what does it cost? |
| 18:10:35 | NeoTron | What would be a good price do you think? I have relatively free hands in pricing of it |
| 18:10:47 | NeoTron | $16.99, same as Pocket PC |
| 18:10:52 | NeoTron | and price might indeed be the reason |
| 18:11:00 | BigBoss | for a game? I wouldn't do over $9.95 at least to start |
| 18:11:02 | warmi | NeoTron: how is it doing in PPC market ? |
| 18:11:16 | NeoTron | well, depends on which way you see it |
| 18:11:32 | ljp_work | free will always ensure downloads |
| 18:11:49 | NeoTron | it doesn't have heck of a lot of downloads to be honest |
| 18:11:55 | NeoTron | just about 500 |
| 18:11:58 | Rascal | what's url? |
| 18:12:17 | NeoTron | but he also got a OEM deal so every new iPAQ will be shipped with it and from that point of view, it's doing helluva well |
| 18:12:33 | NeoTron | I think I should lower the price some though |
| 18:12:48 | NetAmp | http://eongames.com/games/bustem/download.html |
| 18:12:56 | warmi | whoa that's sweet for them |
| 18:12:56 | BigBoss | i'm serious, 9.95 max |
| 18:13:23 | NetAmp | yeah, sweeet ;) |
| 18:13:50 | NeoTron | BigBoss: hmm... |
| 18:14:01 | ljp_work | notices that both BigBoss and NeoTron ignored my statement on free downloads ;) |
| 18:14:02 | Rascal | isn't that just breakout? |
| 18:14:04 | NeoTron | I guess if it then sells >= 50% better, it's worth it |
| 18:14:22 | NeoTron | ljp_work: sorry, gotta have some incentive here. :) |
| 18:14:35 | zecke | JasonNJ: got it workong? ( receiving ) |
| 18:14:35 | ljp_work | I know.. just giving you guys crap.. |
| 18:14:51 | ljp_work | I need to revive my sales also |
| 18:15:38 | warmi | ljp: how are you going to "revive" your sales ? |
| 18:15:44 | ljp_work | hmmmm |
| 18:15:50 | warmi | by including option to browser pornt on that guten browser ? |
| 18:15:58 | warmi | j/k |
| 18:16:01 | ljp_work | haha.. maybe |
| 18:16:51 | warmi | eh .. frigging ssh is slow |
| 18:16:53 | ljp_work | I just need to work on it.. ;) |
| 18:16:57 | warmi | can't even keep up with my typing |
| 18:17:08 | BigBoss | ljp: haven't you learned yet that free stuff doesn't make money? :) |
| 18:17:21 | ljp_work | making me a little money.. |
| 18:17:30 | ljp_work | who's going to setup a xcompiler? |
| 18:18:23 | ljp_work | and cvs |
| 18:29:17 | warmi | NeoTron: it will sound politically incorrent ( on this channel) .. |
| 18:29:17 | warmi | but you would be much better of porting to PalmOS |
| 18:29:17 | warmi | you would be a rich man by now |
| 18:29:17 | ljp_work | wouldnt we all |
| 18:29:17 | warmi | :-) |
| 18:29:17 | NeoTron | warmi: well, no |
| 18:29:17 | NeoTron | PalmOS porting is hell |
| 18:29:18 | ljp_work | true.. |
| 18:29:18 | NeoTron | once the ARM based PalmOS devices are out, then yes I will definitely go down that road again |
| 18:29:18 | NeoTron | but porting PocketPC or even desktop to PalmOS is not porting, it's rewriting |
| 18:29:18 | warmi | not in the case of your games |
| 18:29:18 | warmi | they mostly work off of internal framebuffer |
| 18:29:18 | warmi | which means once you have you blitter done , graphics portion is done |
| 18:29:18 | warmi | the only sticky part is event loop, sounda nd input |
| 18:29:19 | NeoTron | thing is, on PalmOS you can't load images like that |
| 18:29:19 | NeoTron | you don't have the memory |
| 18:29:19 | warmi | the real hell would be to try to port widget-intensive app |
| 18:29:19 | NeoTron | there you work, in general, withe bitmaps directly from the data file / binary |
| 18:29:19 | NeoTron | since memory and storage is the same |
| 18:29:19 | NeoTron | trust me, I considered trying to do Strategic Assault |
| 18:29:19 | NeoTron | and it's not fun at all |
| 18:29:19 | NeoTron | I HAVE done PalmOS programming so I do know how it works |
| 18:29:20 | NeoTron | and again, other than even getting the code to link, the next biggest problem is graphics |
| 18:29:20 | warmi | well, of course, you have to have one of these newer models |
| 18:29:20 | warmi | with more memory and better graphis |
| 18:29:20 | warmi | graphics |
| 18:29:20 | NeoTron | doesn't help |
| 18:29:20 | NeoTron | and if you gear it to say the sony with 320x320 16 bpp gfx, it won't be usable on 99% of all PalmOS devices anyway |
| 18:29:20 | warmi | I know that palm basiaclly keeps a "snapshot" of your app binary code and data on disk |
| 18:29:21 | warmi | and runs that when you start the app |
| 18:29:21 | warmi | game like Buste'm wouldn't make sense on anything less than that ( 320x320x16) |
| 18:29:21 | NeoTron | bust'em wouldn't run on a dragonball processor |
| 18:29:21 | tboc | warmi: too bad the Z only got 320x240? =) |
| 18:29:21 | NeoTron | people don't realize how damn slow it is |
| 18:29:21 | warmi | yeah, not to mention that half of the fun there is all that cool graphic and effects |
| 18:29:21 | NeoTron | it's a 68k on steroids |
| 18:29:21 | warmi | oh well, games like bustem used to run on machines like Atari St which used even slower 68K cpus |
| 18:29:21 | NeoTron | now, another big issue is memory. on PalmOS you can't allocate more than 32 KB with "malloc" and the like but you have to actually use a database (unamed I guess) |
| 18:29:22 | warmi | of course, it was all written in ASM |
| 18:29:22 | NeoTron | and Amiga had so much help by the copper, blitter etc |
| 18:29:22 | NeoTron | on CPU alone it could never run anything like Bust'em I'd guess |
| 18:29:22 | warmi | amiga copper and blitter were slower than 12 MHZ CPU |
| 18:29:22 | warmi | in fact in later amiga models it was faster to use CPU than blitter |
| 18:29:22 | NeoTron | they are the reason for what you could do on the amiga |
| 18:29:22 | NeoTron | compare the amiga to a 68k mac. a huge difference |
| 18:29:23 | warmi | it helps whean dealing with 6 MHZ CPU amiga originally had |
| 18:29:23 | NeoTron | later, yes but later weren't 68000 processors at 7.4 MHz either |
| 18:30:03 | warmi | yeah .. blitter was cool |
| 18:30:26 | warmi | actually the coolest part was the ability to change graphics mode/stuff on each refreshline |
| 18:30:29 | warmi | stuff like that |
| 18:30:59 | warmi | anyway, Atari ST did not have any additional hardware and had pretty cool games |
| 18:31:15 | warmi | but , as I said, it was all coded down to metal using ASM |
| 18:31:57 | warmi | frankly, all these machines .. C-64, old Atari, and even Amiga were mostly coded to in ASM |
| 18:32:29 | darienm | tux_mike: http://home.iitk.ac.in/student/dhoot/docs/sed.shtml |
| 18:32:37 | warmi | hopefully new PalmOS based on ARM will be much more programmer friendly |
| 18:32:57 | tux_mike | darienm: i did it manually. |
| 18:33:02 | warmi | perhaps they eventually are even going to put that BeOS they bought to a good use |
| 18:33:10 | tux_mike | got it done much quicker than looking for how to automate it. |
| 18:33:10 | darienm | tux_mike: sometimes thats the easiest |
| 18:33:17 | tux_mike | it was only 289 lines :) |
| 18:33:28 | darienm | tux_mike: looks like the SHELL you are using has a big thing to do with how replacements work |
| 18:33:38 | tux_mike | odd |
| 18:36:18 | warmi | Sniper: you are so right in that email about people wanting to have it both ways .. |
| 18:36:44 | warmi | I stil remember when people were bitching about 5000d owners being treated like a "beta testers" |
| 18:36:45 | warmi | heeh |
| 18:36:47 | Sniper | warmi: you mean the beta testing? |
| 18:36:53 | warmi | yeah |
| 18:36:55 | Sniper | warmi: we always lose |
| 18:37:05 | warmi | yeah, I know |
| 18:37:30 | Sniper | so now we give the 5000D people a small break from beta testing |
| 18:37:32 | Sniper | :-) |
| 18:37:37 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:37:55 | warmi | and they come back complaining .. |
| 18:37:56 | Sniper | but i'll push for them to become beta testers next time.. ;-) |
| 18:38:04 | darienm | tux_mike: Do you have 'pr' available ? |
| 18:38:14 | tux_mike | dunno, probobly |
| 18:38:14 | warmi | yeah .. make sure to archive this thread |
| 18:38:20 | warmi | it will come handy later on :-) |
| 18:38:26 | darienm | tux_mike: try this: cat filename | pr -d > newfilename |
| 18:38:42 | darienm | tux_mike: and then we can both kick ourselves |
| 18:40:38 | darienm | tux_mike: cat filename | pr -d -t > newfilename (this removes header and footer) |
| 18:40:55 | darienm | tux_mike: cat filename | pr -d -t -n > newfilename (this adds line numbers) |
| 18:41:03 | tux_mike | i don't need any of that |
| 18:41:10 | darienm | tux_mike: for the future :) |
| 18:41:24 | darienm | tux_mike: did you try pr? did you have it? |
| 18:41:46 | tux_mike | i have it, but i haven't looked into it, since i've moved past that :) i'm working on more code right now |
| 18:42:58 | tux_mike | but, thanks for all your help :) |
| 18:43:16 | kergoth | re |
| 18:43:45 | NeoTron | Sniper: if you make int painfully clear that it IS a beta rom or RC rom, then I see no reason for people to complain |
| 18:43:52 | NeoTron | then if people do complain just brush them off |
| 18:43:54 | warmi | uh .. one thing good about QDEsigner is that it can be used as a nice interface prototyping tool |
| 18:44:09 | warmi | very nice tool for that |
| 18:48:13 | warmi | - |
| 18:48:29 | | faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 18:48:29 | warmi | ibot faq |
| 19:03:08 | sig | anyone awake? |
| 19:03:54 | benmeyer | on the latest opie rom when it boots it compialns aobut missing modules nis_iso8859-1 |
| 19:03:57 | benmeyer | 10.4 |
| 19:04:11 | kergoth | benmeyer: harmless |
| 19:04:27 | kergoth | benmeyer: thats the initrd jason grabbed right? |
| 19:04:36 | benmeyer | nis_utff8 and nic_cp437 |
| 19:04:38 | benmeyer | yah |
| 19:04:44 | benmeyer | just letting you know |
| 19:05:00 | kergoth | yeah, i know about em.. need to add the build of those to the kernel build. thanks |
| 19:06:02 | | tille was last seen on #opie 8 hours, 56 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying: the package manager [Wed Jul 17 11:09:48 2002] |
| 19:06:02 | bipolar | ibot: seen tille |
| 19:07:25 | benmeyer | why is /mnt/ram in minix format? |
| 19:07:37 | kergoth | why not? |
| 19:07:38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:08:41 | NeoTron | because it's odd? :) |
| 19:09:25 | benmeyer | differnt yes |
| 19:09:31 | benmeyer | jsut curius if there was a reason |
| 19:17:15 | darienm | smetimes benmeyer hsa troubel typign |
| 19:17:27 | benmeyer | indeed |
| 19:17:30 | benmeyer | but it doesn't stop me |
| 19:17:36 | benmeyer | you should see the funcky keyboard I have |
| 19:17:41 | darienm | oh? |
| 19:17:45 | benmeyer | the Kinesis bowl shaped one |
| 19:17:52 | darienm | link? |
| 19:17:58 | darienm | concave or convex? |
| 19:18:31 | benmeyer | http://www.softeknet.com/kiness.html |
| 19:18:41 | darienm | benmeyer: whats progress on new server manager anyway? |
| 19:18:44 | benmeyer | http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/essential.htm |
| 19:18:53 | benmeyer | havn't actually worked on it |
| 19:18:55 | darienm | ahh, I've seen those. |
| 19:19:05 | benmeyer | made a process manager last week |
| 19:19:11 | benmeyer | making a ftp client this week |
| 19:19:20 | benmeyer | makeing a set of developer tools |
| 19:19:23 | darienm | Yup, I saw that. Added it to my arsenal of 4-5 others I already had. |
| 19:19:25 | kergoth | heh, you produce apps a hell of a lot faster than i |
| 19:19:28 | benmeyer | the server manager will be included in that |
| 19:19:49 | darienm | okay, still very anxious to provide input, beta test, write documentation, etc. |
| 19:19:51 | benmeyer | darienm: did you happen to look at qtdesigner? |
| 19:19:53 | darienm | develop icons |
| 19:20:04 | darienm | I have qtdesigner loaded (30 day trial) and can use it. |
| 19:20:17 | benmeyer | go ahead and make some ui files for applications |
| 19:20:41 | darienm | we need to discuss which applications will be supported, no? |
| 19:20:43 | benmeyer | make a list of what it should manager |
| 19:20:44 | benmeyer | etc |
| 19:20:54 | benmeyer | well we want it to be extensible |
| 19:20:57 | benmeyer | like busy box |
| 19:21:00 | benmeyer | compile in what you want |
| 19:21:02 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 19:21:12 | benmeyer | and they are seperate apps, but all run out of 1 binary |
| 19:21:20 | benmeyer | depending on arg[0]; |
| 19:21:39 | benmeyer | we were looking into apache right? |
| 19:21:51 | kergoth | apache on a Z.. blech |
| 19:21:56 | whardier | hah |
| 19:22:01 | kergoth | use boa |
| 19:22:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:22:03 | whardier | I remember a time |
| 19:22:08 | whardier | when I almost had php working with boa |
| 19:22:12 | whardier | that was a fun time |
| 19:22:13 | kergoth | i remember that |
| 19:22:14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:22:26 | whardier | and then I was being encouraged to do stuff.. like make software |
| 19:22:31 | whardier | and that discouraged me |
| 19:22:31 | benmeyer | ok well then we probaly need boa with php |
| 19:22:37 | whardier | because I found that was a neat way to loose money |
| 19:22:42 | benmeyer | ? |
| 19:22:45 | benmeyer | what do you mean? |
| 19:22:48 | benmeyer | via handango? |
| 19:22:52 | whardier | ? |
| 19:22:57 | whardier | no |
| 19:22:58 | benmeyer | how did you loose money? |
| 19:23:02 | whardier | well |
| 19:23:05 | whardier | I didn't loose it |
| 19:23:07 | whardier | I lose it |
| 19:23:10 | sig | sup foos |
| 19:23:10 | kergoth | because he was spending time on this shit instead of on real work, i'd say |
| 19:23:16 | whardier | bingo |
| 19:23:18 | kergoth | hehh |
| 19:23:21 | sjohnson | Does anyone know who now has custody of the Zaurus X11 stuff? Peirre Coupard no long seems to be with Lineo. |
| 19:23:35 | kergoth | sjohnson: yeah he's MIA. i dont know who's dealing with it, probably no one |
| 19:23:49 | whardier | sjohnson I suggest looking into the familiar bins and sources |
| 19:23:54 | kergoth | yeh |
| 19:24:01 | whardier | please feel free to make that part of your life to replace pierre :P |
| 19:24:02 | kergoth | too bad familiar doesnt have a central source repository and buildsystem |
| 19:24:12 | whardier | kergoth: no shit |
| 19:24:24 | kergoth | whardier: nick at handhelds is finally designing them a buildsystem. took them long enough |
| 19:24:27 | sjohnson | whardier: I have been doing that. But he did something with the Xfbdev X server to make it work with the Z. |
| 19:24:30 | whardier | I personally would rather get an emdebian thing going for the Z |
| 19:24:32 | benmeyer | here is a question |
| 19:24:42 | benmeyer | should we have all tabs on the bottom of the screen? |
| 19:24:49 | benmeyer | were it is easier to access? |
| 19:24:57 | kergoth | hey should i preinstall liquid into the next rom? |
| 19:24:57 | benmeyer | from the keyboard |
| 19:24:57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:25:03 | benmeyer | no |
| 19:25:05 | whardier | benmeyer make it a 4 sides option |
| 19:25:10 | whardier | left right top bottom |
| 19:25:14 | benmeyer | it is a 4 sided option |
| 19:25:17 | benmeyer | I mean by default |
| 19:25:21 | whardier | ah |
| 19:25:22 | whardier | neat |
| 19:25:22 | kergoth | benmeyer: did you see drw's new tabwidget in sysinfo on the new OZ rom? |
| 19:25:24 | benmeyer | same with file menu and toolbars |
| 19:25:33 | benmeyer | yah saw it |
| 19:25:33 | sjohnson | kergoth, whardier: I've got the the Familiar binaries running with the Xfbdev server from the x11zarus .ipk |
| 19:25:38 | kergoth | benmeyer: nifty eh? |
| 19:25:44 | whardier | sjohnson right on |
| 19:25:44 | benmeyer | unfortunettly it still doesn't solve the problem |
| 19:25:45 | kergoth | benmeyer: those tabs were taking up too much space before |
| 19:25:52 | whardier | brb death march |
| 19:25:53 | kergoth | sjohnson: ah.. |
| 19:25:55 | benmeyer | there are still [||] buttons |
| 19:26:04 | kergoth | benmeyer: yeah. helps though. |
| 19:26:12 | benmeyer | processes and kernel modules should be and advanced option |
| 19:26:20 | kergoth | yeah they'll do that |
| 19:26:22 | benmeyer | advanced system info |
| 19:26:27 | benmeyer | or something |
| 19:26:31 | kergoth | add a config option to make it accessible only via easter egg |
| 19:27:03 | benmeyer | What does the hardware icon have to do with system version? |
| 19:27:03 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 19:27:10 | benmeyer | That I will |
| 19:27:14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:27:22 | kergoth | whats a good icon for version anyway? |
| 19:27:25 | kergoth | thats a weird one |
| 19:27:36 | benmeyer | the icon for the app |
| 19:27:39 | kergoth | benmeyer: opie-reader segfaults. wtf. |
| 19:27:39 | benmeyer | same as about |
| 19:27:41 | kergoth | ah.. |
| 19:28:13 | ljp_work | should be fixed in cvs |
| 19:28:27 | kergoth | ljp_work: just built it this morning.. |
| 19:28:32 | benmeyer | hmm found a bug in my wirless lan app |
| 19:28:36 | kergoth | ljp_work: i'll test the one i just updated from a couple mins ago |
| 19:28:37 | benmeyer | will fix tomarrow after I get cvs |
| 19:28:39 | benmeyer | fooy |
| 19:28:57 | ljp_work | hmm ok.. I'll let Tim know about reader |
| 19:29:07 | kergoth | benmeyer: heh, there are a number of issues with wlansetup. i've got no time to pursue them. note it uses a different text parser than it did previously. |
| 19:29:37 | benmeyer | ok |
| 19:30:02 | benmeyer | it is being moved into network right? |
| 19:30:58 | kergoth | benmeyer: yeah, davipt is reworking netsetup and merging wireless into it |
| 19:32:00 | benmeyer | ok |
| 19:32:30 | kergoth | benmeyer: i think the german opie folks would like you to ask where your efforts would be needed, rather than jumping in blind |
| 19:33:11 | macaroni7 | is OZ still being actively developed? |
| 19:33:13 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 19:33:19 | benmeyer | kergoth: what do you mean? |
| 19:33:48 | kergoth | macaroni7: well, i'm about to release a new rom, and the feed contains new versions of nearly every package, so yeah :-) |
| 19:34:07 | macaroni7 | awesome |
| 19:34:09 | benmeyer | kergoth: I am trying to combine my efforts on openz with my time at sharp. So for creating tools such as a process manager I can put it under a developer tool thus helping develpoer, thus is what I am supost to do at my job |
| 19:34:54 | kergoth | benmeyer: yeah, i understand that.. but I think if you want to actually contribute to opie it'd help if you stayed in #opie, and monitor and respond on the mailing lists, so that you get an idea of where people are taking things. |
| 19:35:12 | [DrEvil] | benmeyer: do you have a script to rip Opera and Jeode from the Sharp ROM? |
| 19:35:45 | kergoth | benmeyer: for example, subscribe to opie@handhelds.org and opie-cvs@handhelds.org if you havent already |
| 19:35:48 | benmeyer | kergoth: yah I joined the mailinglist and am reading it and have been spending time in opie trying to get a feel for those there |
| 19:35:57 | kergoth | benmeyer: great |
| 19:36:38 | darienm | benmeyer: have you seen how qtreader uses the menu button ? |
| 19:36:52 | benmeyer | screenshot? |
| 19:37:07 | darienm | benmeyer: tabs can be at the top, if the application listens for the menu button and then responds to cursor controls appropriately |
| 19:37:21 | darienm | benmeyer: not possible to screenshot, its user interface I'm trying to illustrate |
| 19:37:32 | darienm | benmeyer: you should really try it. its done very nicely. |
| 19:37:42 | benmeyer | ok will |
| 19:37:46 | darienm | benmeyer: almost a model for other programs, which typically ignore the menu button |
| 19:40:33 | ljp_work | there is no menu button in the qtopia 1.6 snapshots |
| 19:40:41 | benmeyer | kergoth: did you ever write that ROM howto? |
| 19:40:52 | benmeyer | ljp_work: got my first file transfer! yah |
| 19:40:52 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 19:41:00 | Speedy2 | cat /dev/null > /dev/ROM_device |
| 19:41:19 | benmeyer | hehe the only device driver I have ever written. :-D /dev/null |
| 19:42:24 | darienm | ljp_work: what does that mean, no menu button ? |
| 19:42:44 | darienm | ljp_work: because its part of the hardware.... |
| 19:43:06 | ljp_work | oohh. THAT menu button |
| 19:43:14 | kergoth | darienm: no menu button on the taskbar, not no physical button |
| 19:43:14 | warmi | hehehe |
| 19:43:14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:43:26 | darienm | kergoth: whew !!! I was getting worried. |
| 19:46:23 | bipolar | can someone explain this too me? |
| 19:46:26 | bipolar | # pwd |
| 19:46:26 | bipolar | # ls |
| 19:46:26 | bipolar | ls: Text file busy |
| 19:46:31 | kergoth | lol |
| 19:48:06 | benmeyer | busybox busy? |
| 19:48:35 | bipolar | insane |
| 19:48:51 | bipolar | well... oipkg is still running... so.... |
| 19:48:54 | ljp_work | stop using it |
| 19:49:00 | bipolar | we'll see what happens |
| 19:49:04 | kergoth | bipolar: oipkg sucks, eh? |
| 19:49:11 | JasonNJ | oipkg is a total peie of shit |
| 19:49:13 | bipolar | ljp_work: it's in the middle of an upgrade |
| 19:49:18 | JasonNJ | has hosed my oz3 |
| 19:49:19 | kergoth | bipolar: it needs an upgrade all button desperately, sine ipkg upgrade wont work worth a shit |
| 19:49:23 | JasonNJ | TWICE |
| 19:49:24 | bipolar | it needs a LOT of work |
| 19:49:32 | bipolar | brb |
| 19:49:35 | kergoth | it needs scrapping and starting from scratch |
| 19:49:36 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:49:50 | kergoth | ljp_work: is qipkg in qtopia 1.6 any better? |
| 19:50:10 | JasonNJ | I havent seen qtopia 1.6 yet |
| 19:50:34 | BigBoss | i hear it's in very good shape |
| 19:50:52 | ljp_work | I havent really check that app out I can when I get home.. it similiar to the old qipkg.. not sure how much work was done.. I can do a diff |
| 19:51:04 | kergoth | k.. maybe its tolerable.. |
| 19:51:11 | kergoth | we need a lighweight package manager for end users. |
| 19:51:25 | benmeyer | well once we have the package lib |
| 19:51:27 | bipolar | the way oipkg works is vewry nice. It's just unstable and needs an upgrade button. |
| 19:51:29 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:51:33 | benmeyer | my package manager will be light weight |
| 19:51:48 | kergoth | benmeyer: have you contacted jamey and hte handhelds folks regarding a ipkg library? |
| 19:51:52 | benmeyer | yah |
| 19:51:53 | JasonNJ | dan oipkg is running out of memory |
| 19:51:59 | JasonNJ | every single time |
| 19:52:00 | benmeyer | waiting on them |
| 19:52:05 | JasonNJ | sucker has a major memory hole |
| 19:53:10 | kergoth | the package manager is one of opie's biggest lacking areas right now |
| 19:53:21 | Fluxwerk | is away: Be back on from home |
| 19:54:28 | XavierXeon | just flashed an us rom. what is the proxim configuration for ? |
| 19:55:28 | sjohnson | Eureka!!! |
| 19:55:39 | sjohnson | I think I've got it! |
| 19:55:42 | NetAmp | darienm: hm that sysinfo doesn't seem to have more options than the opie one? |
| 19:56:02 | Speedy2 | XavierXeon: Proxim wireless LAN? |
| 19:56:39 | XavierXeon | speedy2: whats so special about it that it needs special configuration ? |
| 19:56:46 | sjohnson | whardier: I've figured out the deal with the Zaurus Xfbdev |
| 19:56:55 | kergoth | sjohnson: nice |
| 19:57:25 | sjohnson | kergoth: But it means I'm going to have to build the X server. Whee!! |
| 19:57:48 | benmeyer | kergoth: if you only want a feed only package manager then mine works fine |
| 19:57:51 | benmeyer | but if you want more... |
| 19:58:11 | JasonNJ | we need someone to take over the XFree packages for the Z |
| 19:58:19 | JasonNJ | fastolfe has flown the coop |
| 19:58:28 | JasonNJ | we also need an fbvncserver maintainer |
| 19:59:30 | tux_mike | jason: i just read on a ML that bestbuy and compusa lost their Zaurus contract, that true? |
| 19:59:48 | JasonNJ | not sure |
| 19:59:53 | Speedy2 | XavierXeon: Don't ask me, I don't have it |
| 19:59:57 | JasonNJ | I'm not in those superstore meetings |
| 20:00:23 | bipolar | JasonNJ: tux_mike: If thats so then they should be selling them cheap :) |
| 20:01:07 | XavierXeon | speddy2: ok i will not ask you ;) |
| 20:04:52 | warmi | tux: ML ? |
| 20:06:48 | whardier | MOO |
| 20:08:51 | kergoth | hey opie-confedit is pretty slick |
| 20:13:52 | hunger | kergoth: Hey, you updated the feed. Cool! |
| 20:13:58 | whardier | you confederates are pretty slick |
| 20:14:05 | kergoth | hunger: yeah lots of updates across the board |
| 20:14:09 | kergoth | hunger: openssh 3.4, etc |
| 20:14:34 | hunger | kergoth: Still no diff? |
| 20:14:50 | kergoth | hunger: diff? |
| 20:15:17 | hunger | kergoth: The prog needed by ipkg to show diffs between version of config files. |
| 20:16:04 | kergoth | hunger: oh, that diff. forgot about that. let me look |
| 20:16:14 | NetAmp | strange.. |
| 20:16:35 | NetAmp | I can't figure out why one SysInfo app is larger in kb's than the other |
| 20:16:43 | NetAmp | though it has less tabs |
| 20:16:45 | hunger | kergoth: That's the biggest annoyance for me right now. /me wonders wether he actually bugreported it... |
| 20:18:31 | warmi | wonders what 'ML' site was tux_mike refering to |
| 20:18:41 | zecke | too |
| 20:19:10 | KhensU_work | tkc list i think |
| 20:19:35 | killefiz | yep |
| 20:19:41 | killefiz | Best Buy has lost their contract for the Zaurus and Comp USA is going to |
| 20:19:41 | killefiz | carry them, so BB is trying to blow them out at about $320. |
| 20:19:50 | killefiz | that's what bigboss wrote there |
| 20:20:10 | warmi | wtf does it mean "lost' ? |
| 20:20:43 | warmi | Unless this is bullshit-speak for dropped |
| 20:20:44 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:20:57 | kergoth | hunger: i'm working on commiting the various uncommitted fixes to cvs atm |
| 20:21:08 | Mickey0 | any idea how to compare the zaurus/ipaq processors in speed to pentium processors? is it around pii400 or more or less? |
| 20:21:16 | hunger | kergoth: That's great:-) |
| 20:21:26 | Speedy2 | Mickey0: The integer performance is on par with a P233 |
| 20:21:33 | oGMo | Mickey0: it's hard to compare a strongarm to a pentium though |
| 20:21:35 | Speedy2 | Mickey0: The SA has no floating-point support |
| 20:21:41 | oGMo | yeah what Speedy2 said |
| 20:21:43 | hunger | kergoth: at least I can be reasonable sure that any problem I run into is gcc-3 related. |
| 20:21:57 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:21:58 | Speedy2 | Mickey0: In addition, the SA has limited cache |
| 20:23:03 | Mickey0 | ok, thanks. i have an old pentium ii (deschutes) laptop with 266Mhz which should be a reasonable developing machine so. |
| 20:23:25 | Mickey0 | NetAmp: sysinfo from which feed? |
| 20:23:47 | Speedy2 | Mickey0: 16KB of ICACHE and 8KB of DCACHE |
| 20:24:00 | ljp_work | woot! I just fixed my problem.. whew |
| 20:24:06 | kergoth | ljp_work: prob? |
| 20:24:11 | ljp_work | heheheh |
| 20:24:27 | ljp_work | ohh a bug thats perplexed me.. |
| 20:24:41 | ljp_work | and it was _so_ elementary |
| 20:24:48 | ljp_work | someone shoot me |
| 20:24:52 | kergoth | i wonder if i should release this rom. its just sitting here. everything seems to work, including wireless, ssh, etc.. but i havent fully tested the obex |
| 20:24:55 | kergoth | ljp_work: lol.. i hate that |
| 20:25:02 | oGMo | ljp_work: most annoying unfathomable bugs are |
| 20:25:07 | hunger | kergoth: Wow, the upgrade is really strange! |
| 20:25:14 | ljp_work | you might wait 1 1/2 hours so I can test too first |
| 20:25:16 | killefiz | kergoth: did obex work before? |
| 20:25:22 | hunger | kergoth: I started ipkg in the terminal window in OPIE. |
| 20:25:23 | NetAmp | Mickey0: this one http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon/zaurus/sysinfo/sysinfo.zip |
| 20:25:27 | ljp_work | but whatever.. |
| 20:25:46 | ljp_work | if others tested it and it works.. go ahead |
| 20:25:58 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Release it as delta? |
| 20:26:01 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:26:06 | kergoth | killefiz: no |
| 20:26:06 | hunger | kergoth: Now OPIE crashed except for the terminal window's text (and the scrollbar next to it, the rest of the screne is the console with a login. |
| 20:26:09 | NetAmp | Mickey0: so I've put the opie version back |
| 20:26:26 | kergoth | hunger: jason reported something similiar.. |
| 20:26:26 | NetAmp | Hm |
| 20:26:28 | killefiz | kergoth: then why not note that it's untested and release? |
| 20:26:33 | Mickey0 | NetAmp: maybe someone forgot to strip binaries. |
| 20:26:41 | Speedy2 | Mickey0: Stop talking dirty! |
| 20:26:41 | ljp_work | I'll flash oz, and try qipkg from qtopia 1.6 to install stuff |
| 20:26:42 | hunger | kergoth: ipkg asks me wether I want to overwrite some config file now, the text shows up at the login prompt. |
| 20:26:43 | NetAmp | Mickey0: could be |
| 20:26:48 | kergoth | killefiz: suppose i can do that. |
| 20:26:52 | kergoth | hunger: hm |
| 20:27:33 | Mickey0 | hunger: that's normal. you can choose if you want to keep your customized files or the new - stock - config files. |
| 20:27:54 | NetAmp | When you set a password at the Settings tab is that the password for the ROOT account? |
| 20:28:05 | kergoth | NetAmp: no |
| 20:28:11 | NetAmp | so just to Qtopia? |
| 20:28:19 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:28:27 | NetAmp | hm ok.. I was thinking of setting one for SSH |
| 20:28:28 | NetAmp | but |
| 20:28:34 | NetAmp | then I assume sync won't work |
| 20:28:48 | kergoth | NetAmp: sync should still work fine, it wont prompt for a password |
| 20:28:52 | kergoth | iirc |
| 20:29:00 | hunger | Mickey0: Yes, but it's not normal for the keyboardö-events to go to the loginprompt that is visible instead of the OPIE GUI. |
| 20:29:09 | darienm | NetAmp: You can read the differences in sysinfo here (note: its not my work) http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon/zaurus/sysinfo/sysinfo.html |
| 20:29:32 | darienm | NetAmp: Some may not be apparent if you aren't currently using them (swap space, SD card, etc) |
| 20:29:35 | Mickey0 | hunger: D'oh! didn't get the context of your message. |
| 20:29:47 | Mickey0 | hunger: strange effect then... |
| 20:30:00 | NetAmp | darienm: yeah ofcourse.. I didn't really notice that |
| 20:30:21 | darienm | NetAmp: So you see why I push this flavor, its the subtle changes that make all the difference. |
| 20:30:42 | NetAmp | darienm: indeed :) |
| 20:30:53 | Mickey0 | hunger: I had this once ... when I used the /etc/init.d/opie from the ipaq opie distribution. |
| 20:31:10 | hunger | kergoth: RROR: Package pcmcia-cs wants to install file /etc/pcmcia/spectrum.conf |
| 20:31:10 | hunger | But that file is already provided by package spectrum-cs |
| 20:31:31 | kergoth | hunger: shit, wasnt sure how to make that transition easy.. you have any ideas? Conflict doesnt work... |
| 20:31:48 | kergoth | hunger: I moved spectrum_cs drivers into kernel-modules, built as part of the kernel build, and had pcmcia-cs provide the config file |
| 20:32:33 | kergoth | hunger: optimally pcmcia-cs and kernel-modules should now Conflict: with spectrum-cs, but ipkg doesnt handle that properly yet |
| 20:33:46 | ljp_work | well, ... fix it |
| 20:33:56 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 20:34:03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:34:09 | hunger | kergoth: |
| 20:34:10 | kergoth | i've got enough projects, thanks :-) |
| 20:34:11 | hunger | ERROR: Package kernel-modules wants to install file /lib/modules/2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix/pcmcia/ray_cs.o |
| 20:34:11 | hunger | But that file is already provided by package orinoco-cs |
| 20:34:11 | hunger | ERROR: Package kernel-modules wants to install file /lib/modules/2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix/pcmcia/netwave_cs.o |
| 20:34:11 | hunger | But that file is already provided by package orinoco-cs |
| 20:34:12 | hunger | ERROR: Package kernel-modules wants to install file /lib/modules/2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix/pcmcia/wavelan_cs.o |
| 20:34:12 | hunger | But that file is already provided by package orinoco-cs |
| 20:34:32 | kergoth | hunger: ipkg remove orinoco-cs spectrum-cs; ipkg upgrade; |
| 20:34:56 | hunger | ipkg remove orinoco-cs spectrum-cs |
| 20:35:15 | hunger | Aehm, sorry, wrong window:-) |
| 20:35:17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:36:59 | hunger | kergoth: Where did all the files at SF go? |
| 20:37:10 | kergoth | hunger: i'm rearranging things a bit |
| 20:37:15 | kergoth | hunger: releasing a new initrd in a few |
| 20:37:34 | hunger | kergoth: Will there be a new kernel too? |
| 20:37:46 | hunger | kergoth: One that I must have? ;-) |
| 20:37:57 | kergoth | hunger: yes, but the only change is a fix for newer linksys wlan cards, and it adds a slight animation to the boot logo |
| 20:38:08 | kergoth | i wouldnt say must. pretty minor changes. |
| 20:38:12 | hunger | kergoth: I NEED THAT! |
| 20:38:16 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:38:17 | kergoth | okay then |
| 20:38:24 | hunger | kergoth: ANIMATED BOOT LOGO! |
| 20:38:28 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:38:32 | kergoth | more work by whardier |
| 20:38:36 | ljp_work | what? you need a kernel? |
| 20:38:50 | kergoth | hey Cloudchaser |
| 20:39:03 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 20:39:03 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:39:05 | kergoth | SecurityFocus and Symantec announced that Symantec is acquiring |
| 20:39:05 | kergoth | SecurityFocus. |
| 20:39:09 | kergoth | ack |
| 20:39:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:39:42 | Cloudchaser | why's that bad? |
| 20:39:58 | kergoth | isnt necessarily |
| 20:40:49 | ljp_work | Microsoft just announced its acquiring the US Government |
| 20:40:56 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 20:41:09 | Cloudchaser | now that wouldn't surprise me |
| 20:41:16 | Cloudchaser | they already own most of it |
| 20:41:24 | warmi | frankly, it wouldn't be that bad .. |
| 20:41:36 | ljp_work | true.. MS's biggest account is the US military, I've heard |
| 20:41:45 | kergoth | scary thought |
| 20:41:48 | Mickey0 | kergoth: do you have a screenie for the animated logo? |
| 20:41:51 | kergoth | okay, the new OZ initrd is on SF. |
| 20:42:06 | kergoth | Mickey0: nope, fraid not |
| 20:42:21 | kergoth | i should finish the release notes and install guide now |
| 20:42:22 | ljp_work | whardier would.. wouldnt he? |
| 20:42:29 | kergoth | yeah, should |
| 20:42:38 | ljp_work | whardier: wake up! |
| 20:42:53 | Cloudchaser | how's it all looking kergoth? |
| 20:43:10 | | somebody said oz was see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ |
| 20:43:10 | warmi | ibot oz |
| 20:43:16 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: pretty good. we've confirmed that you can beam items to other devices fine, but i have no confirmation of receipt yet |
| 20:43:16 | ljp_work | kergoth needs to get the kernel's out now |
| 20:43:19 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:43:31 | kergoth | i need to finish the config files for the nomtdram kernels for 5000d and 5500 first |
| 20:43:33 | kergoth | brb |
| 20:45:07 | | I haven't seen 'BigBoss:', Cloudchaser |
| 20:45:07 | Cloudchaser | ibot seen BigBoss: |
| 20:45:14 | | BigBoss was last seen on #zaurus 54 minutes and 40 seconds ago, saying: i hear it's in very good shape [Wed Jul 17 20:50:34 2002] |
| 20:45:14 | Cloudchaser | ibot seen BigBoss |
| 20:46:26 | hunger | kergoth: sshd does not work for me. |
| 20:47:33 | hunger | kergoth: I think that's homebrewn... |
| 20:49:01 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Do you have a Z serial cable> |
| 20:49:01 | Speedy2 | ? |
| 20:49:33 | Wembly | is anyone ever gonna make a usb cable for the Z that allows you to use the keyboard while its plugged in? |
| 20:49:40 | Wembly | looks at speedy2 |
| 20:49:46 | hunger | kergoth: Yes, did not have a user for sshd. |
| 20:49:51 | kergoth | hunger: you have to have an updated oz-base :-) |
| 20:49:55 | Wembly | ;) |
| 20:49:57 | hunger | kergoth: I have. |
| 20:49:59 | kergoth | Speedy2: yes |
| 20:50:08 | kergoth | hunger: oh you didnt overwrite your passwd, thatd do it :-) |
| 20:50:17 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Did you have to buy one? |
| 20:50:19 | hunger | kergoth: But I keapt all my config files as I can't check the diff. |
| 20:50:20 | Speedy2 | Hey Wembly |
| 20:50:20 | kergoth | hunger: mkdir /var/empty; chown root.sys /var/empty; |
| 20:50:27 | kergoth | hunger: yeah |
| 20:50:36 | hunger | kergoth: So I prefer keeping my files:-) |
| 20:50:54 | kergoth | hunger: dont blame ya |
| 20:51:13 | hunger | kergoth: I can allways bug you if I have to update something;-) |
| 20:51:18 | kergoth | hunger: course |
| 20:51:20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:51:23 | kergoth | thats one of the benefits of OZ |
| 20:51:27 | kergoth | i'm here to poester |
| 20:51:29 | kergoth | pester too |
| 20:53:49 | kergoth | okay i'm building the new kernels, all 7 of them |
| 20:53:50 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 20:53:57 | Cloudchaser | wohoo! got my new 256 mb cf |
| 20:54:02 | Cloudchaser | now to see if it works ;) |
| 20:54:03 | kergoth | nice |
| 20:54:05 | kergoth | does it work? |
| 20:54:05 | kergoth | oh |
| 20:54:06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:54:31 | NeoTron | Candy Cruncher for Zaurus is out!! |
| 20:54:58 | hunger | kergoth: How about using this to define HOME in /etc/init.d/opie: |
| 20:55:01 | hunger | if [ -d /home/$LOGNAME ] ; then |
| 20:55:01 | hunger | export HOME=/home/$LOGNAME ; |
| 20:55:01 | hunger | else |
| 20:55:01 | hunger | export HOME=/$LOGNAME ; |
| 20:55:01 | hunger | fi |
| 20:55:08 | warmi | NeoTron: too bad Zaurus itself is out :-) |
| 20:55:44 | Cloudchaser | hey in embedded konsole can i add commands to the dropdown? |
| 20:55:49 | kergoth | hunger: good idea. that'll make running opie as a nonroot user a bit easier eh |
| 20:56:00 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: if you're using the opie one |
| 20:56:13 | Cloudchaser | opie one? |
| 20:56:14 | Cloudchaser | hmm |
| 20:56:18 | Cloudchaser | i got it off killefiz |
| 20:56:24 | Cloudchaser | is that the opie one? |
| 20:56:38 | kergoth | no idea |
| 20:56:50 | warmi | the one with tabs ? |
| 20:56:53 | Cloudchaser | yeah |
| 20:57:09 | warmi | yeah, then it is OPIE or OPIE-derived :-) |
| 20:57:16 | Cloudchaser | coolio |
| 20:57:23 | NeoTron | warmi: hehe, well as I say I haven't given up on Qtopia yet |
| 20:57:36 | hunger | kergoth: OPIE as non root is not really an option: The backlight won't turn of then:-( |
| 20:57:38 | kergoth | hm, i wonder if oipkg's support for search killefiz actually works |
| 20:57:44 | hunger | kergoth: Or did you change that allready? |
| 20:57:48 | warmi | NeoTron: just saying cause there were news that best buy dropped Zaurus |
| 20:58:01 | warmi | acording to BigBoss anyway |
| 20:58:08 | Cloudchaser | ack! |
| 20:58:25 | Cloudchaser | that mazingo filled up my doc tab |
| 20:58:32 | warmi | hehehe |
| 20:58:34 | NeoTron | yeah, I know about that - not a big problem since bestbuy can't sell it. there are other chains waiting instead |
| 20:59:25 | warmi | NeoTron: do you know where he got that info from ? I used to be tkc mailing list but not anymore .. to much meaningles "traffic" |
| 20:59:40 | Cloudchaser | this doc tab has to go!!! but unfortunately synch needs it.. |
| 21:00:10 | Speedy2 | Woah. Z-5500 for $340 |
| 21:00:22 | Cloudchaser | i think thats my biggest gripe...synch/docs tab |
| 21:00:28 | Speedy2 | Or is that pound? |
| 21:00:29 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 21:00:53 | warmi | hmm . frankly, thanks to Neo and his porting frenzy , ZAurus has pretty much all the biggest game titles PPC users enjoy |
| 21:01:03 | warmi | not it just needs more users |
| 21:01:04 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:01:15 | warmi | now even |
| 21:01:38 | warmi | CloudChaser: agreed ... |
| 21:01:42 | Speedy2 | http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=SL-5000D |
| 21:01:43 | Cloudchaser | i still haven't found the game of my dreams yet ;) |
| 21:01:44 | warmi | I wonder how PPC is handling this |
| 21:01:57 | Speedy2 | Cloudchaser: Pr0n chaser? :) |
| 21:02:05 | Speedy2 | j/k |
| 21:02:17 | Cloudchaser | dunno what that is anyway |
| 21:04:17 | kergoth | hunger: we can fix that. |
| 21:04:17 | kergoth | hunger: just add the user to a 'fl' group which has write access to the frontlight device. |
| 21:04:17 | kergoth | hunger: same for framebuffer |
| 21:04:17 | kergoth | hunger; and sound, etc |
| 21:04:23 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: the initrd for OZ is available. i'm writing up the INSTALL doc atm. |
| 21:04:27 | kergoth | hunger: then we run the package manager within sudo, after giving the user sudo access |
| 21:04:31 | kergoth | hunger: tim riker at lineo already set this up for the Vercel :-) |
| 21:04:33 | kergoth | hunger: so we know it works |
| 21:04:38 | Cloudchaser | ROFL.. my mother just sent me the funniest email ... a letter of resignation from a network admin |
| 21:04:45 | hunger | kergoth: Do this:-) |
| 21:04:50 | NeoTron | warmi: well, they are selling out their stock... |
| 21:05:06 | hunger | kergoth: This is a killing argument to run OZ instead of the original ROMs. |
| 21:05:30 | NeoTron | Speedy2: BestBuy sell them for like $315 or so now |
| 21:05:35 | Cloudchaser | kergoth: just let me know when its all ready :) |
| 21:05:45 | Speedy2 | NeoTron: Wow! Weren't the 5500s like $420 day before yesterday? |
| 21:06:04 | NeoTron | Cloudchaser: if you find your dream game on PPC, let me know and I'll see what I can do., :) |
| 21:06:22 | NeoTron | Speedy2: they are selling out their stock.. |
| 21:06:34 | Cloudchaser | oh thanks NeoTron: |
| 21:06:46 | Cloudchaser | guess i'll have to look at ppc stuff again |
| 21:06:54 | Cloudchaser | does it matter if its commercial? |
| 21:06:55 | Speedy2 | NeoTron: Columns is a fun game. |
| 21:07:23 | Cloudchaser | must be kinda hard cause that little wheel thingy isn't the most responsive |
| 21:07:44 | Cloudchaser | i tried iceblox and liked it but when i used that wheel the window wouldl close sometimes |
| 21:07:49 | Speedy2 | NeoTron: Well, $315 is a great price then. |
| 21:07:58 | NeoTron | it is |
| 21:08:07 | NeoTron | Cloudchaser: preferable commercia.. :)) |
| 21:08:16 | Cloudchaser | really? |
| 21:08:29 | Cloudchaser | isn't there copyright problems with that? |
| 21:08:32 | NeoTron | then I can make some money on it, so yes. :) |
| 21:08:40 | warmi | Cloud: there is no business in selling free games |
| 21:08:40 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 21:08:41 | NeoTron | that's what I do |
| 21:08:46 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:08:50 | NeoTron | I port commercial/shareware games |
| 21:08:52 | kergoth | hunger: yes, the next release will be on 2.4.19 or so, running opie as a nonroot user. |
| 21:09:08 | hunger | kergoth: Got a timeframe for that allready? |
| 21:09:11 | Cloudchaser | ah cool. i'll poke around and see what i can find |
| 21:09:13 | NeoTron | anyhow, will be afk for an hour or so |
| 21:09:29 | kergoth | hunger: not yet.. though 2.5.21-rmk1 is mounting the rootfs on my Z :-) so i'm getting there |
| 21:10:44 | kergoth | hunger: whew, make kernel-multi takes a long fucking time when you're building 7 of them :-) |
| 21:10:48 | Wembly | herm. |
| 21:10:57 | NeoTron | is away: gone |
| 21:11:14 | kergoth | herm hrm hrrrm |
| 21:11:16 | kergoth | stuck at work |
| 21:11:19 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 21:12:13 | Wembly | is back. What was going on ? [SZoff] |
| 21:13:17 | Cloudchaser | hey where was the 2.37 release notes that benmeyer said he put up? |
| 21:13:46 | warmi | uh ... it was some funky URL |
| 21:13:47 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:13:51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:13:52 | | warmi: sorry... |
| 21:13:52 | warmi | ibot 2.37 |
| 21:13:54 | kergoth | you're so helpful warmi |
| 21:14:12 | warmi | I am trying my best |
| 21:14:13 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:15:39 | Speedy2 | Does the Zaurus have stereo audio out? |
| 21:15:48 | Cloudchaser | oh bleh samba doesn't work over usb i guess |
| 21:15:56 | kergoth | oaky the first kernel is up on SF |
| 21:15:58 | Mickey0 | Speedy2: sure |
| 21:16:03 | kergoth | Speedy2: yep. |
| 21:16:16 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: the files are up on SF for whenever you're ready ;-) |
| 21:16:26 | Cloudchaser | are the instructions there? |
| 21:16:34 | kergoth | AHEM, attention people, new openzaurus initrd and zImage, and README and INSTALL are available on SF. |
| 21:16:36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:16:39 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: yeah, INSTALL |
| 21:16:40 | Speedy2 | But it also uses the left channel for microphone, correct? |
| 21:16:43 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:16:50 | Wembly | its l33t :) |
| 21:16:55 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: if you ahve questions let me know, and i'll add more info to the docs |
| 21:16:59 | Mickey0 | kergoth: <insert taDaa.wav> |
| 21:17:02 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:17:05 | Mickey0 | :) |
| 21:17:08 | Wembly | gawd knows if it can handle full duplex tho |
| 21:17:18 | Cloudchaser | tell you what.. if i have questions and you answer them.. I'll add them to your docs ;) |
| 21:17:24 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: k :-) |
| 21:17:42 | kergoth | heaves a sigh of relief now that its released |
| 21:18:00 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Well, you'll be heaving from all the support mail you have to deal with now :) |
| 21:18:15 | kergoth | Speedy2: shut up, i'm trying to not think about that ;-) |
| 21:18:59 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: let me know how it goes. if it goes well, then I'll post an announcement to the lists. |
| 21:20:05 | Cloudchaser | ok have to do a backup first.. |
| 21:21:05 | Cloudchaser | hmm vnc not working over usb.. i could swear it used to |
| 21:23:19 | | it has been said that opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info can be found at http://opie.handhelds.org or in the #opie channel. or at http://www.opie.info or at http://www.opie.us or most important at http://www.opie.info |
| 21:23:19 | Cloudchaser | ibot opie |
| 21:23:27 | | hmmm... OZ is see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ |
| 21:23:27 | Cloudchaser | ibot OZ |
| 21:24:35 | Cloudchaser | ok get all 4 of those files? 2.9.4 which is really oz3 b10.4? |
| 21:24:42 | Cloudchaser | i thougth it was 10.3 coming out |
| 21:25:00 | Cloudchaser | oh looks like 5 things ;) |
| 21:25:03 | kergoth | i changed versioning schemes to make more sense. and add confusion. lol |
| 21:25:27 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: read INSTALL. it tells ya what to do. you need bootflag.txt, a zImage, and a initrd.bin |
| 21:25:42 | Cloudchaser | hehe ok which ram split is that one ou put up? |
| 21:25:50 | kergoth | 40-24 |
| 21:25:53 | kergoth | hence the filename |
| 21:25:56 | kergoth | 40 megs of ram, 24 meg ramdisk |
| 21:26:01 | Cloudchaser | hmm |
| 21:26:06 | kergoth | slightly different than the default 32-32 sharp uses |
| 21:26:16 | Cloudchaser | do i want that one? |
| 21:26:19 | kergoth | if you need a different configuration, you'll have to wait for my kernel builds to finish.. they're going.. |
| 21:26:29 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: do you need a full 32mb of ramdisk? |
| 21:26:42 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: myself, having a CF is enough, i install anything beyond 24mb to cf. |
| 21:26:59 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: most people find 40-24 is a good balance, myself, ljp, hunger, for example |
| 21:27:01 | Cloudchaser | alot of stuff won't install to sd card |
| 21:27:05 | Cloudchaser | ok i'll try that |
| 21:27:14 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: apps install to sd easier in OZ |
| 21:27:21 | tux_mike | everything installs to SD with oz |
| 21:27:30 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 21:27:48 | Cloudchaser | how bout restoring stuff.. data and the like? |
| 21:28:12 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: your data backups from the sharp rom are just tarballs. you can either extract them manually or install benmeyer's databackup app off the ZZ feed. |
| 21:28:39 | Cloudchaser | ok i'll do that real quick, i did back up from sharp rom also |
| 21:29:51 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: i meant install benmeyer's backup app in OZ.. it should be able to restore a backup made by the sharp rom's backup app, iirc |
| 21:30:05 | Cloudchaser | ohh gotcha |
| 21:30:31 | Cloudchaser | my ramdisk will be different though |
| 21:30:38 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: ? |
| 21:30:44 | Cloudchaser | the size |
| 21:30:50 | Cloudchaser | i might not have enough room on 24 |
| 21:30:54 | kergoth | for what? |
| 21:30:56 | Cloudchaser | to restore |
| 21:31:04 | kergoth | um, the backup app backs up user data |
| 21:31:07 | kergoth | not applications, iirc |
| 21:31:10 | kergoth | could be wrong though. |
| 21:31:18 | Cloudchaser | the back up app does everything ;) |
| 21:31:27 | Cloudchaser | when i flashed with 2.37 |
| 21:31:28 | kergoth | so you have a 40 meg tarball on your CF? |
| 21:31:39 | Cloudchaser | i just restored and voila it was as before |
| 21:31:56 | kergoth | hm, well ben's databackup app will try to restore to / most lkely |
| 21:32:00 | Cloudchaser | i don't think it was 40 meg |
| 21:32:03 | kergoth | and you only have 2mb free of flash |
| 21:32:16 | kergoth | you're best off extracting the backup file manually. shouldnt be much work. |
| 21:32:20 | kergoth | opie needs a backup/restore app |
| 21:32:24 | Cloudchaser | oki |
| 21:32:48 | Speedy2 | brb |
| 21:33:06 | kergoth | ibot: message for benmeyer: feel like rewriting databackup? opie needs a backup/restore app, preferably one that can restore applications to ram or flash, and that can restore from a backup made by a sharp rom, to ease the transition for users. |
| 21:35:07 | Wembly | is away. Automatically set away [SZon] |
| 21:36:02 | Cloudchaser | if i backup just /home/root via ftp i should be ok? |
| 21:36:05 | Cloudchaser | for data? |
| 21:36:20 | Cloudchaser | i can re-install the programs manually and probly would rather anyway |
| 21:38:36 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: yep, that'd be fine. |
| 21:38:38 | Cloudchaser | does my CF card have to be empty? |
| 21:38:40 | kergoth | nope |
| 21:38:53 | Cloudchaser | just have to have thos files in the root of the card |
| 21:39:01 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:39:50 | Cloudchaser | do i use same instructions as for flashing z rom? (i never did that, just the 2.37 one which is different) |
| 21:39:56 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:40:01 | Cloudchaser | i'm downloading it now |
| 21:40:04 | kergoth | c+d then hit full reset |
| 21:40:06 | kergoth | k |
| 21:40:39 | Cloudchaser | c + d at same time then do the reset under the battery cover? |
| 21:40:47 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:40:57 | kergoth | careful to only hit c+d.. if you hit another letter as well it wont work |
| 21:43:18 | Cloudchaser | oki |
| 21:43:48 | Cloudchaser | i have to have it plugged into power too right? |
| 21:43:54 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:44:31 | Wembly | any chance of sending via wireless a compressed or semi-compressed audio stream? |
| 21:44:44 | kergoth | Wembly: install esd? |
| 21:44:56 | Wembly | kergoth: esd goes the other way tho. |
| 21:45:06 | kergoth | oh, you want to transmit.. |
| 21:45:08 | kergoth | hm |
| 21:45:11 | Wembly | i wanta make some kinda digital fone type thingie. |
| 21:45:18 | Wembly | but use a 802.11 |
| 21:45:26 | Wembly | and a computer to handle whats done with the audio streams |
| 21:45:39 | Wembly | well no |
| 21:45:43 | Wembly | im just kinda pondering ideas |
| 21:46:22 | Wembly | ponders if ogmo is the same one he thinks he knows... |
| 21:48:50 | Speedy2 | Wembly: You could encode using a simple CODEC and do that...but the battery life would be crap. |
| 21:49:03 | Wembly | herm.. |
| 21:49:04 | Wembly | true |
| 21:49:28 | Wembly | why do they tempt us with such coolie things. but cant get any better battery power? |
| 21:49:31 | Speedy2 | heh...you COULD just do "bit stuffing" compression and just randomnly drop bits |
| 21:49:35 | Speedy2 | ;) |
| 21:49:38 | Wembly | noo its always faster ways to make your battery drain. |
| 21:49:38 | sig | I just beat RTCW |
| 21:49:43 | sig | had a gay ending |
| 21:49:45 | Speedy2 | sig: The ending sux |
| 21:49:46 | Speedy2 | yeah |
| 21:49:47 | Speedy2 | I was about to say |
| 21:49:51 | sig | hah |
| 21:50:03 | Speedy2 | sig: The ending is very much crap. It's not even hard! |
| 21:50:08 | sig | Speedy2: i was like... wtf when all the sudden the game turned into a damn porno |
| 21:50:13 | Speedy2 | sig: Max Payne also has a dumb ending |
| 21:50:21 | Speedy2 | sig: Damn porno? Did you see different ending then I? |
| 21:50:23 | sig | all the sudden all the bitches are nakd |
| 21:50:27 | Speedy2 | Wha?! |
| 21:50:32 | Speedy2 | I don't recall that |
| 21:50:34 | sig | Speedy2: yeah |
| 21:50:37 | sig | I have sshots |
| 21:50:38 | sig | one sec |
| 21:50:42 | Speedy2 | YES! |
| 21:50:42 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 21:52:27 | sig | http://sig.ath.cx/screenshots/nakedchick.jpg |
| 21:52:29 | sig | Speedy2: http://sig.ath.cx/screenshots/nakedchick.jpg |
| 21:52:36 | sig | you never saw that? |
| 21:52:51 | Speedy2 | I don't think so |
| 21:52:55 | sig | hah |
| 21:52:58 | sig | yeah it was weird |
| 21:53:01 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 21:53:53 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: how goes it? |
| 21:55:44 | sig | damn |
| 21:55:54 | sig | Speedy2: yeah, i played and beat maxpayne too.... |
| 21:56:02 | Speedy2 | That had a STUPID ending too |
| 21:56:07 | sig | yeah |
| 21:56:10 | Speedy2 | Like NO ENDING |
| 21:56:14 | Speedy2 | Good story line, fun game play |
| 21:56:16 | Speedy2 | STUPID ENDING |
| 21:56:22 | sig | I beat that game like 7 months ago |
| 21:56:23 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 21:56:26 | Speedy2 | Moi aussi |
| 21:56:32 | sig | sold it on ebay |
| 21:56:45 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 21:57:00 | sig | http://www.sharpnewsletter.com/Zaurus/July2002.htm |
| 21:57:03 | sig | you see that? |
| 21:57:09 | sig | zradio |
| 21:57:40 | Wembly | *laugh* |
| 21:57:41 | Wembly | i love this |
| 21:57:44 | Wembly | play mp3' |
| 21:57:49 | Wembly | play mp3's in your car. |
| 21:58:03 | Wembly | great but you'll probly want to keep it chargd so when you get out you can do stuffs for awhile. |
| 21:58:40 | Wembly | do they even sell a car charger yet? |
| 21:58:42 | sig | Wembly: yeah, I'm looking for a car charger for my z... i can't find one |
| 21:58:52 | Speedy2 | Not hard to build... |
| 21:59:06 | Wembly | isnt it just a standard power plug? |
| 21:59:20 | Speedy2 | Oh no |
| 21:59:26 | Speedy2 | You need some diodes at the very least |
| 21:59:29 | sig | it has to be the right specifications or it will prolly fry your z |
| 21:59:34 | Speedy2 | No |
| 21:59:45 | sig | what do you mean no |
| 21:59:48 | Speedy2 | But car cigarette lighters have NASTY voltage spikes on them |
| 22:00:06 | sig | thats why you need to get the right car charger for it |
| 22:00:08 | Wembly | speedy2: i mean take another pda car charger.. |
| 22:00:14 | Speedy2 | Depends on what the voltage on the input caps are |
| 22:00:27 | Speedy2 | Cause it uses switching power supplies, so a higher input voltage won't harm it. |
| 22:01:21 | Wembly | speedy: i remember reading somewhere were someone took another pda's charger and used that. |
| 22:01:27 | Wembly | speedy: but that was for the wall. |
| 22:01:47 | toolafial | on the back of the Z it says for adaptor use 5VDC @ 2A |
| 22:01:57 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: re |
| 22:01:59 | toolafial | I'm sure that radio shack has an adapter for that |
| 22:02:20 | toolafial | you will probably have to re-wire the adaptor |
| 22:02:34 | Cloudchaser_ | grrr |
| 22:02:54 | Cloudchaser_ | samba hates dhcp! |
| 22:03:00 | Wembly | whyfor? |
| 22:03:08 | Speedy2 | Don't exceed 10V |
| 22:03:13 | Speedy2 | For the input |
| 22:03:17 | Speedy2 | Which is stupid IMO |
| 22:03:25 | Wembly | herm |
| 22:03:41 | toolafial | you could easily run that off the cigarette lighter socket |
| 22:03:49 | Wembly | on the back of my Z it says 5.0V -- (DC), 6.2W (AC adapter) |
| 22:04:07 | Wembly | for use with AC adapter EA-70(DC5V,2A) |
| 22:04:25 | toolafial | well the AC adaptor that came with the Z is 5VDC @ 2A |
| 22:04:37 | toolafial | so sticking to that spec would probably be the safest |
| 22:04:47 | sig | toolafial: hehe |
| 22:04:52 | Wembly | toolafial: gee i hope so :) |
| 22:05:10 | Wembly | nah go look for say a palm or pocketpc charger. that has the same connector. |
| 22:06:23 | toolafial | damn! radioshack online doesn't have any spec listed on their DC converters |
| 22:07:09 | Cloudchaser_ | well.. backing up isn't so easy via samba or ftp.. seems to hate that |
| 22:07:21 | Cloudchaser_ | i cant' remember where my iqnotes .xml lives |
| 22:07:37 | Cloudchaser_ | i'll have to use the backup tar i guess |
| 22:08:24 | toolafial | radioshack has a PDA adaptor 6VDC @ 1.6A for $15 |
| 22:08:25 | sig | damnit, i have to go to work tonight |
| 22:08:29 | Cloudchaser_ | cept the file name is 2002-06-24-11-46.backup so not sure how to split it |
| 22:08:33 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: it should put its stuff in /home/root/Applications like the rest |
| 22:08:43 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: .backup is just a tarball. try tar -zxvf on it |
| 22:08:51 | toolafial | P/N 25-951 |
| 22:08:52 | Cloudchaser_ | oki |
| 22:08:57 | sig | bbl |
| 22:09:54 | toolafial | does anyone know the max number amps the Z pulls |
| 22:11:26 | Speedy2 | Well if it's 6VDC @ 1.6A, it could pull 1.92A @ 5V |
| 22:11:33 | Speedy2 | So that looks like a safe bet. |
| 22:12:10 | sig | Speedy2: I'd just look online for one |
| 22:12:18 | sig | or you'll be returning your z for a new one |
| 22:12:20 | Speedy2 | sig: Look online for what? |
| 22:12:23 | Speedy2 | No, you won't |
| 22:12:32 | sig | Speedy2: for a car charger |
| 22:12:41 | Speedy2 | sig: Well, building one is not too hard. |
| 22:12:46 | Speedy2 | But whatever floats your boat. |
| 22:12:50 | sig | Speedy2: i didn't say it was |
| 22:13:00 | sig | but if you get the wrong specs you might fry it |
| 22:13:03 | Speedy2 | No |
| 22:13:06 | Speedy2 | It's fused internally |
| 22:13:14 | sig | so |
| 22:13:19 | sig | you can still fry it |
| 22:13:20 | Speedy2 | So, the fuse resets |
| 22:13:27 | Speedy2 | "Fry it" is a useless term |
| 22:13:29 | Speedy2 | phrase |
| 22:13:35 | sig | dude |
| 22:13:36 | Speedy2 | What will you fry? It's fused, it's protected |
| 22:13:44 | sig | it 'can' burn out |
| 22:13:54 | Speedy2 | N |
| 22:13:55 | Speedy2 | NO |
| 22:14:01 | sig | whatever |
| 22:14:03 | sig | go try it |
| 22:14:06 | toolafial | the spec says 6.2W drawn with adaptor |
| 22:14:17 | toolafial | but I can't remember my electronics formulas |
| 22:14:30 | Speedy2 | I've got no problems, I know how to fix it. |
| 22:16:47 | toolafial | for 6.2 watts @ 5 VDC it pulls 1.24 amps |
| 22:17:09 | Speedy2 | So that 6VDC adaptor would work fine |
| 22:17:13 | toolafial | yup |
| 22:17:27 | Speedy2 | I suggest keep it below 7V, so you're ok |
| 22:18:10 | toolafial | at 6VDC 1.033... amps is drawn |
| 22:18:21 | Speedy2 | ?? |
| 22:18:25 | Speedy2 | Are you testing this right now? |
| 22:18:36 | toolafial | now just calculating using ohm's law |
| 22:18:42 | Speedy2 | uhh |
| 22:18:44 | toolafial | err I mean watt's law |
| 22:18:48 | Speedy2 | uhh |
| 22:19:08 | Speedy2 | You can't calculate what is being drawn |
| 22:19:09 | Speedy2 | You can measure it |
| 22:19:18 | Speedy2 | And you can calculate what the power adaptor can support |
| 22:20:24 | toolafial | P = I x E |
| 22:20:45 | toolafial | 6.2 = I x 5 |
| 22:20:52 | Cloudchaser_ | can i open the batter covery before i hit the c + d? |
| 22:20:57 | toolafial | I = 6.2 / 5 |
| 22:21:13 | Cloudchaser_ | kinda hard to hit them both without anything else... hehe my fingernails get in the way |
| 22:21:33 | toolafial | since we know the power usage in watts we can figure out the amps |
| 22:21:34 | Cloudchaser_ | and i need 2 hands |
| 22:21:36 | Speedy2 | That "I" is the maximum amount of current that can be drawn |
| 22:21:39 | Cloudchaser_ | to hit them |
| 22:21:47 | toolafial | ya |
| 22:21:47 | Speedy2 | toolafial: That power consumption figure is a maximum, not an average |
| 22:21:49 | toolafial | yea |
| 22:22:14 | toolafial | well a maximum power comsumption is sufficient for getting a power adaptor |
| 22:22:18 | Speedy2 | yup |
| 22:22:24 | toolafial | so there ya go |
| 22:22:41 | Speedy2 | <toolafial> at 6VDC 1.033... amps is drawn |
| 22:22:52 | Speedy2 | I'm just saying you can't make that assertion, that's all |
| 22:23:07 | toolafial | oh okay, point taken |
| 22:24:05 | toolafial | I guess I should have said at 6 VDC a maximum of 1.033... amps will be drawn if the power comsuption is 6.2 W |
| 22:24:13 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 22:24:51 | toolafial | and that is why I figured on early in my life that I didn't want to be an electrical engineer |
| 22:25:12 | Speedy2 | hah |
| 22:25:59 | toolafial | I am studying computer science because I don't like working with decimals |
| 22:27:58 | Speedy2 | hah |
| 22:29:03 | toolafial | Computer Science: all nice, easy, discrete numbers |
| 22:29:48 | Cloudchaser_ | listens to the drum roll as her z reflashes |
| 22:29:54 | Cloudchaser_ | oh the lights went off! |
| 22:30:38 | Cloudchaser_ | here goes nothing! |
| 22:31:02 | cxm | toolafial you can have decimals in binary too. Makes perfect sense |
| 22:31:22 | toolafial | cxm: true |
| 22:31:37 | cxm | just my .1 pence worth :P |
| 22:31:41 | toolafial | but are there computers that handle decimal binary numbers? |
| 22:32:09 | cxm | they all do - it's called 'fixed point' and was used before coprocessors and fast graphics cards were invented |
| 22:32:56 | ljp | damn it |
| 22:33:01 | toolafial | cxm: true |
| 22:35:16 | Oriumpor | arrhggg |
| 22:35:48 | Oriumpor | Cloudchaser_: did it work!!? |
| 22:35:54 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 22:38:59 | Wembly | why is it on X i never seem to have enough room no matter what the resolution my screen is at. |
| 22:39:37 | Cloudchaser_ | hehe i missed a step, have eto do it again |
| 22:41:22 | treke|work | hehe |
| 22:41:39 | Oriumpor | Wembly: 1600 never seems like enough eh? |
| 22:42:02 | W|GGL|T | damn....rtcw is hard |
| 22:42:02 | treke|work | Wembly: I've found the secret is, one screen is never enough |
| 22:42:48 | Oriumpor | treke: flatpanels need smaller borders around them so you can distrubute them across a desk and still have room for a keyboard and mouse |
| 22:43:08 | Oriumpor | distribute even |
| 22:43:33 | Cloudchaser_ | WHOOOHOOO |
| 22:43:37 | Cloudchaser_ | pingz guy! |
| 22:43:41 | Cloudchaser_ | pingi |
| 22:44:00 | Oriumpor | pingi? |
| 22:44:21 | ljp | hehehe |
| 22:44:33 | Cloudchaser_ | pingizauru :) |
| 22:44:36 | Oriumpor | Does kergoth have an eta on OZ image? |
| 22:44:38 | Cloudchaser_ | little green guy |
| 22:44:43 | Cloudchaser_ | its up! |
| 22:44:47 | Cloudchaser_ | first one anyway |
| 22:44:49 | Cloudchaser_ | 40-26 |
| 22:44:50 | kergoth | Oriumpor: ? its out :-) |
| 22:45:07 | Cloudchaser_ | taking a while to start though |
| 22:45:13 | treke|work | Cloudchaser_: using oz? |
| 22:45:18 | Cloudchaser_ | loading mods |
| 22:45:22 | Cloudchaser_ | yeppers! |
| 22:45:28 | Oriumpor | is behind |
| 22:45:32 | kergoth | yeah the initial package config takes a bit |
| 22:45:40 | Oriumpor | kergoth: where it be? |
| 22:45:40 | kergoth | Oriumpor: check Sf.. only one kernel is available so far though, 40-24 |
| 22:45:41 | Cloudchaser_ | ok welcom to Opie! |
| 22:45:54 | Oriumpor | kergoth: aargh... I'm at work I only have my 5000d w/me |
| 22:46:00 | Oriumpor | kergoth: :P |
| 22:46:01 | Cloudchaser_ | dances |
| 22:46:07 | kergoth | Oriumpor: hehe. patience.. it takes a while to build 7 kernels |
| 22:46:09 | Cloudchaser_ | ok now... |
| 22:46:10 | kergoth | :-) |
| 22:46:19 | Cloudchaser_ | i can uninstall the stuff i don't want? |
| 22:46:23 | ljp | curses the guy that just plowed into my car |
| 22:46:34 | Cloudchaser_ | hmm wheres the hancom stuff? |
| 22:46:36 | ljp | yes |
| 22:46:53 | ljp | hancom isnt free |
| 22:47:02 | Cloudchaser_ | i have it though |
| 22:47:05 | Cloudchaser_ | all 5500's do |
| 22:47:07 | ljp | ahhh |
| 22:47:13 | ljp | sure |
| 22:47:19 | Wembly | 7 kernels? |
| 22:47:33 | ljp | but you just flashed over it unless you backed it up |
| 22:49:09 | Cloudchaser_ | well i think i did in the full back up |
| 22:49:15 | Cloudchaser_ | but.. i don't want the full backup |
| 22:49:30 | Cloudchaser_ | don't guess there is an ipkg for it either? |
| 22:49:50 | treke|work | Cloudchaser_: There are. I just private messaged you the url |
| 22:50:06 | Cloudchaser_ | thanks |
| 22:52:23 | kergoth | okay all 7 kernels are now available. |
| 22:52:24 | kergoth | fyi |
| 22:52:52 | Cloudchaser_ | thanks kergoth ;) |
| 22:53:00 | Cloudchaser_ | now i just hve to figure out how much space i have where |
| 22:53:04 | kergoth | np. please test, report any bugs |
| 22:53:10 | kergoth | you have 24 megs of ram, about 2-3 megs free of flash |
| 22:53:13 | kergoth | er |
| 22:53:14 | Cloudchaser_ | looks like 2960 on rom |
| 22:53:15 | kergoth | 24 megs of ramdisk |
| 22:53:16 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:54:03 | Cloudchaser_ | something used 16 of the 24 |
| 22:54:12 | Cloudchaser_ | only has 8 free |
| 22:54:23 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: sysinfo is broken. |
| 22:54:27 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: you have 24 megs free |
| 22:54:29 | kergoth | :-) |
| 22:54:40 | Cloudchaser_ | says 16 used 8 available |
| 22:54:42 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: pester ljp about a fix. |
| 22:54:46 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: yes i know, sysinfo is flawed. |
| 22:54:59 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: drop to konsole and run df, you'll see what i mean |
| 22:55:40 | ljp | actually.. its storage class thats flawed |
| 22:56:12 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:56:43 | ljp | and I guess sysinfo too cause it doesnt deal with that |
| 22:57:03 | ljp | ok.. this week couldnt get any worse could it? |
| 22:57:05 | treke|work | Cloudchaser_: The ipks wont install cleanly on openzaurus, but you can eventually get it to work |
| 22:57:58 | treke|work | Cloudchaser_: ipkg has become much more anal about conflicts |
| 22:58:42 | Cloudchaser_ | how will i do that treke? |
| 22:58:55 | Cloudchaser_ | is all ipkg a problem to install? |
| 22:59:04 | treke|work | Cloudchaser_: basically it will say a bunch of files conflict, and you have to delete them. Most ipks work |
| 22:59:34 | Cloudchaser_ | so when it says x is a conflict i have to find it and delete it? |
| 22:59:36 | treke|work | Cloudchaser_: They duplicate the same files through the packages, libhancom.so.0 I think is in every package. |
| 22:59:40 | Cloudchaser_ | then try again over and over? |
| 22:59:54 | kergoth | so the problem is badly done packaging :-) |
| 22:59:56 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:59:59 | kergoth | woot!@#$%#@%! |
| 23:00:05 | kergoth | no more garbage on my Z's serial port |
| 23:00:07 | kergoth | woo hoo |
| 23:00:10 | Cloudchaser_ | ;) |
| 23:00:11 | Cloudchaser_ | yay |
| 23:00:11 | treke|work | Cloudchaser_: It says exactly which files are conflicting. So you just have to delete all the files it says are conflicting. |
| 23:00:15 | kergoth | i can properly analyze debug output now |
| 23:00:18 | treke|work | it's not as bad as say rpm dependencies |
| 23:00:29 | kergoth | hehe. not much is that bad |
| 23:00:52 | kergoth | Speedy2: wooo.. no garbage on the serial line anymore. i threw in a delay to throttle the output :-) |
| 23:01:01 | sig | how do i get chanserv to leave my channel? |
| 23:01:03 | treke|work | the old shell ipkg was much more lenient on what it let through |
| 23:01:47 | ljp | my poor car |
| 23:04:26 | NeoTron | http://64.12.34.16/prodigy.h <-- good new Prodigy |
| 23:04:30 | NeoTron | I like it. :P |
| 23:04:53 | oGMo | sig, there's a command to make it join or sit there and keep the channel alive, look it up and try to reverse it |
| 23:05:09 | treke|work | doesnt trust NeoTron anymore |
| 23:05:43 | NeoTron | why, because I like Prodigy? :) |
| 23:05:50 | Oriumpor | allright... I'm outa here |
| 23:05:56 | Oriumpor | adios ppl |
| 23:06:20 | treke|work | yup |
| 23:06:57 | NeoTron | bah, they rock. |
| 23:07:04 | NeoTron | nice and relaxing music |
| 23:07:12 | NeoTron | http://64.12.34.16/prodigy.html bty |
| 23:07:13 | treke|work | oh not the online service |
| 23:08:01 | ljp | receive does not work.. |
| 23:09:18 | Cloudchaser_ | hmm i'm a bit ...locked up here |
| 23:09:29 | Cloudchaser_ | ok free |
| 23:09:55 | W|GGL|T | i think i'll play with OZ again tonight |
| 23:10:17 | W|GGL|T | and maybe tomorrow, go out and get a wireless access point and card |
| 23:10:26 | cxm | is there a free image viewer that doesn't suck? I have the original developer Z |
| 23:10:26 | sig | who uses figlet? |
| 23:10:30 | W|GGL|T | spend more money |
| 23:10:35 | W|GGL|T | sig: got your case yet? |
| 23:10:38 | cxm | it can't open a 200k image file :(( |
| 23:10:41 | sig | W|GGL|T: not yet :( |
| 23:10:57 | W|GGL|T | has never tried opening that big of an image on the Z |
| 23:11:09 | W|GGL|T | sig: hopefully by the end of the week, eh? |
| 23:11:15 | cxm | it's not a big image - it opens on other PDAs |
| 23:11:15 | sig | hopefully |
| 23:11:43 | Wembly | cxm: those are two unrelated things. |
| 23:11:43 | ljp | hmm I can ping the z, but ftp doesn't work |
| 23:11:46 | Mickey0 | cxm: mooview can. http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=232 |
| 23:11:55 | cxm | tanks |
| 23:11:59 | Wembly | cxm: weather it opens on other pda's or not has nothing to do if its bit or not :) |
| 23:12:10 | Wembly | cxm: anyhow good luck :) |
| 23:12:11 | Mickey0 | cxm: hmm... but apparently only jpeg images :( |
| 23:12:18 | cxm | jpeg is fine |
| 23:12:49 | sig | W|GGL|T: i can't run figlet in my channel, it says --- A process is already running |
| 23:13:08 | sig | same with this chan |
| 23:13:13 | cxm | grr, still haven't got USB working.... |
| 23:13:18 | W|GGL|T | doesn't know what figlet is |
| 23:13:41 | Wembly | anyhow bbl |
| 23:13:47 | W|GGL|T | later Wembly |
| 23:14:44 | oGMo | oops |
| 23:14:56 | W|GGL|T | still need to figure out how to get the usb cradle online using linux |
| 23:15:05 | oGMo | Wembly: missed you again |
| 23:15:07 | oGMo | heh |
| 23:15:13 | sig | W|GGL|T: build it as a module |
| 23:15:20 | W|GGL|T | sig: did that |
| 23:15:20 | sig | there is a link on qtopia's site |
| 23:15:23 | sig | a walk through |
| 23:15:26 | oGMo | W|GGL|T: tis easy |
| 23:15:34 | ljp | kergoth: ping |
| 23:15:46 | W|GGL|T | i can ping the cradle but it won't go out to the net |
| 23:15:52 | W|GGL|T | i don't think its a module thing |
| 23:15:59 | W|GGL|T | more like a NAT thing |
| 23:16:03 | oGMo | the actual "hard" part is editing the correct script to add a default gateway so the Z can see the greater network |
| 23:16:11 | W|GGL|T | but i already followed the howto |
| 23:16:48 | W|GGL|T | i'll play with it more when i go on 'vacation' |
| 23:17:31 | oGMo | W|GGL|T: if NAT is already going on your box, you need to edit /etc/hotplug/usbdnet.conf and /etc/hotplug/usbd.func and add a couple lines |
| 23:17:49 | oGMo | on the Z, of course |
| 23:18:11 | oGMo | just saw it on the list yesterday, worked like a charm |
| 23:18:20 | W|GGL|T | hrmmm...that's not in the howto |
| 23:18:32 | W|GGL|T | i'll maybe mess with it tonight then |
| 23:18:32 | oGMo | nup |
| 23:19:00 | sig | W|GGL|T: you want to see what figlet is? |
| 23:19:08 | oGMo | oh great, figlet ;) |
| 23:19:10 | W|GGL|T | sig: sure |
| 23:19:20 | sig | ____ _____ ____ ___ _ _ _ _ |
| 23:19:21 | sig | | _ \| ____| __ )_ _| / \ | \ | | | |
| 23:19:21 | sig | | | | | _| | _ \| | / _ \ | \| | | |
| 23:19:21 | sig | | |_| | |___| |_) | | / ___ \| |\ |_| |
| 23:19:21 | sig | |____/|_____|____/___/_/ \_\_| \_(_) |
| 23:19:22 | sig | |
| 23:19:26 | sig | lol |
| 23:19:31 | W|GGL|T | oh...never mind |
| 23:19:32 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 23:19:35 | sig | hahaha |
| 23:19:41 | W|GGL|T | j/k |
| 23:19:47 | W|GGL|T | i run debian on my other system |
| 23:19:52 | W|GGL|T | more like libranet |
| 23:19:56 | sig | W|GGL|T: I hope i get my case by tomorrow |
| 23:20:03 | treke|work | __ _ _ _ _ |
| 23:20:03 | treke|work | / _| __ _ _ __ ___ (_) (_) __ _ _ __| | |
| 23:20:03 | treke|work | | |_ / _` | '_ ` _ \| | | |/ _` | '__| | |
| 23:20:03 | treke|work | | _| (_| | | | | | | | | | (_| | | |_| |
| 23:20:03 | treke|work | |_| \__,_|_| |_| |_|_|_|_|\__,_|_| (_) |
| 23:20:05 | treke|work | |
| 23:20:10 | ][N-Flux | is away: fixin pc |
| 23:20:11 | sig | treke|work: lol |
| 23:20:14 | [DrEvil] | debian beatnick |
| 23:20:20 | sig | [DrEvil]: LMAO |
| 23:20:21 | oGMo | [DrEvil]: :) |
| 23:20:24 | BigBoss | wow, I thought you said DEVON, who is of course a famous porn star :) |
| 23:20:34 | sig | BigBoss: hahaha |
| 23:20:57 | Cloudchaser_ | hiya bigboss |
| 23:21:10 | [DrEvil] | OS/2 Forever! |
| 23:21:18 | sig | heh |
| 23:21:23 | sig | shizzle |
| 23:21:24 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 23:21:40 | oGMo | [DrEvil]: hey i actually used to use os/2 ;) |
| 23:21:44 | W|GGL|T | Slackware is the shit! |
| 23:21:45 | W|GGL|T | haha |
| 23:22:07 | [DrEvil] | so did I |
| 23:22:09 | oGMo | even coded a little for it, and i was just a kid |
| 23:22:26 | cxm | is there an ebook reader for the Z that copes with HTML (huuuuuge HTML files)? |
| 23:22:36 | [DrEvil] | remembers why he hates windows so much |
| 23:22:38 | oGMo | cxm: something wrong with opera? |
| 23:22:59 | cxm | I dunno if opera will take a file:/// URL that is a huuuuge HTML file |
| 23:23:22 | sig | dillo |
| 23:23:25 | oGMo | i don't know if the Z has enough memory to render a large html file in any case, but it does take file:/// and it should at least try |
| 23:23:26 | W|GGL|T | not if you break up the html |
| 23:23:36 | cxm | 630k of CVS documentation :) |
| 23:24:07 | oGMo | cvs docs are 630k? on one page? |
| 23:24:20 | oGMo | i didn't think all the info pages were that much combined ;) |
| 23:24:25 | ljp | kergoth: ping |
| 23:24:36 | cxm | http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/cvsbook.html (647354 bytes) |
| 23:24:49 | cxm | it's like a tutorial |
| 23:24:54 | oGMo | cxm: you could try, the worst is that it'd probably crash opera with an "out of memory" |
| 23:25:21 | oGMo | i mean, it's linux, it can take a bit of battering, right? ;) |
| 23:25:29 | zappin | Can someone please help me with QPose? |
| 23:25:39 | cxm | :) |
| 23:26:18 | W|GGL|T | guess not |
| 23:26:19 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 23:28:50 | whardier | http://www.odci.gov/cia/ciakids/index.html |
| 23:30:09 | sig | ./up |
| 23:30:19 | sig | heheh woops |
| 23:36:11 | sig | hmm, I'm going to find something to do... |
| 23:36:13 | sig | bbl |
| 23:38:07 | sig | is back |
| 23:43:17 | ljp | kergoth: ping |
| 23:43:40 | whardier | pong |
| 23:43:47 | whardier | hey ljp.. wanna go smoke some crack? |
| 23:43:55 | ljp | heheheh NO |
| 23:44:07 | ljp | some idiot plowed into the side of my car tonight |
| 23:44:13 | fusion94 | whardier: you've been hanging with kergoth too much |
| 23:49:39 | whardier | damn dude! |
| 23:49:42 | ljp | ibot: message for kergoth: ftp and sync aren't working anymore ;( |
| 23:50:12 | ljp | ya you should see it.. .the whole passenger side is caved in |
| 23:51:11 | whardier | :( |
| 23:52:23 | ljp | it was in a parking lot too |
| 23:52:32 | ljp | damn damn damn |
| 23:52:39 | whardier | my car is like that |
| 23:52:43 | whardier | sorta |
| 23:52:59 | ljp | my car _was_ nice |
| 23:53:32 | fusion94 | ljp: what kind of vehicle ? |
| 23:54:01 | Cloudchaser_ | you didnt get hurt though ljp, did you? |
| 23:54:19 | ljp | no I'm ok.. |
| 23:54:29 | ljp | 1991 Chevy Z34 Coupe |
| 23:54:35 | cxm | do you guys have 'insurance' in the USA? |
| 23:54:39 | ljp | Silver |
| 23:54:45 | ljp | yes we do |
| 23:55:01 | cxm | that's cool |
| 23:56:38 | cxm | so, who pays for the damage to the motor? |
| 23:56:54 | ljp | same.. I drove away |
| 23:57:05 | ljp | but its got no passenger door anymore |
| 23:57:23 | cxm | hmmm at least it happened in summer |
| 23:58:16 | ljp | hehe |
| 23:59:26 | cxm | got any security camera footage of the perpetrator? Track them down... ;-) |
| 23:59:57 | ljp | oh.. he didnt flee.. |
