| 00:00:11 | kergoth | MSpin: it blocks it |
| 00:00:16 | kergoth | MSpin: i think its physical, not electrical |
| 00:00:21 | kergoth | MSpin: which is fucking braindead |
| 00:00:23 | kergoth | hey sig |
| 00:00:33 | sig | kergoth: have you seen the qnx pda sshots? |
| 00:00:37 | sig | kinda cool looking |
| 00:00:40 | kergoth | nope, havent |
| 00:00:41 | kergoth | url? |
| 00:00:49 | sig | http://qnxzone.com/eQip/screenshots/index.html |
| 00:00:57 | MSpin | kergoth: I recall Jason mentioning that they were working on new cable |
| 00:01:10 | kergoth | MSpin: i hope. |
| 00:01:30 | sig | just updated to ROM 2.37 on his #4th Zaurus |
| 00:01:31 | kergoth | MSpin: otherwise i'm haacking my cradle to let me pull out the keyboard, and adding serial and jtag to it |
| 00:01:33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:01:39 | kergoth | hey sjohnson |
| 00:01:42 | siriusnov | yeah the eQIP looks sweet |
| 00:01:46 | noidd | afk 2 mins - uploading another package |
| 00:01:50 | Cloudchaser | whats qnx? |
| 00:01:52 | sjohnson | kergoth: hey |
| 00:01:54 | sjohnson | is back on the net |
| 00:01:59 | siriusnov | qnx is a neat os |
| 00:02:06 | Cloudchaser | looks neat |
| 00:02:15 | W|GGL|T | hey sig! |
| 00:02:17 | MSpin | kergoth: JTAG comes out on the header? |
| 00:02:21 | kergoth | MSpin: yes |
| 00:02:21 | sig | W|GGL|T: got my new z |
| 00:02:23 | sig | lol |
| 00:02:25 | kergoth | MSpin: :-) |
| 00:02:26 | W|GGL|T | LOL |
| 00:02:31 | sig | just put the ROM on it |
| 00:02:32 | sig | lol |
| 00:02:38 | MSpin | kergoth: oooooo:) |
| 00:02:38 | W|GGL|T | how many is that now? |
| 00:02:55 | MSpin | I wish I had more time to reverse engineer shit.... |
| 00:03:07 | MSpin | I got this great CopperCom VoDSL box |
| 00:03:09 | kergoth | MSpin: a ttl->rs232 chip is $5 at digikey.. |
| 00:03:11 | W|GGL|T | damn...need a smoke, then im gonna give the girls a bath |
| 00:03:12 | W|GGL|T | brb |
| 00:03:12 | MSpin | 16POTS channels |
| 00:03:15 | W|GGL|T | er...bbs |
| 00:03:16 | kergoth | MSpin: i think i'm going to have some fun |
| 00:03:20 | kergoth | MSpin: oh nifty |
| 00:03:36 | MSpin | kergoth: don't bother www.maxim-ic.com I think you want the MAX232CPE |
| 00:03:42 | MSpin | get a free sample or two |
| 00:03:57 | MSpin | get the one without the need for external caps |
| 00:04:37 | kergoth | MSpin: ah, nice |
| 00:04:38 | MSpin | so, this VoDSL box also has ethernet...and a ARM proc with jtag headers all over....if I could only change it to do VoIP instead.... |
| 00:04:52 | kergoth | heh, that'd be pretty sweet |
| 00:05:02 | MSpin | kergoth: www.asteriskpbx.com |
| 00:06:17 | kergoth | MSpin: nice |
| 00:07:30 | ljp_ | mmmmmm rum with stale coca cola |
| 00:07:33 | MSpin | yeah, it's petty cool |
| 00:08:02 | MSpin | ljp_: I hear vanilla coke + rum isn't half bad |
| 00:08:09 | sig | ljp_: mmmmm rum |
| 00:08:39 | sig | I'm gonna go have some beers tonight (nice dark beer) |
| 00:09:26 | sig | oh W|GGL|T guess what! |
| 00:10:09 | | whardier was last seen on #zaurus 3 days, 9 hours, 3 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: hacks JasonNJ [Tue Jul 9 16:07:00 2002] |
| 00:10:09 | ljp_ | ibot: seen whardier |
| 00:10:22 | sig | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/feed/ <--- is that the most up2date feed? |
| 00:11:37 | W|GGL|T | sig: what? |
| 00:11:56 | ljp_ | feed for what? |
| 00:12:14 | sig | the z is only 399 at bestbuy now |
| 00:12:18 | sig | I got hooked up |
| 00:12:47 | W|GGL|T | damn |
| 00:13:10 | noiddAWAY | Yopy is launching in Europe now. |
| 00:13:15 | sig | take your back, say it broke |
| 00:13:21 | sig | they gave me the current price off |
| 00:13:25 | W|GGL|T | is a jealous fella |
| 00:13:47 | noiddAWAY | http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2119034,00.html |
| 00:14:06 | W|GGL|T | imma stick with mine for now, then when it acts up, i'll return it...should get a lower price than $399 that way... :oP |
| 00:14:26 | MSpin | did you guys get the PDA upgrade plan? |
| 00:14:33 | MSpin | (aka the service plan) |
| 00:14:37 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 00:14:41 | MSpin | good:) |
| 00:14:44 | W|GGL|T | hehehe |
| 00:14:56 | MSpin | [DrEvil] used to have a Clie.... |
| 00:15:01 | MSpin | then it....broke.... |
| 00:15:05 | sig | hell yea i did |
| 00:15:08 | W|GGL|T | ive had NO problems with mine, unlike some of the other ZZ posters |
| 00:15:13 | W|GGL|T | must have a strong one |
| 00:15:23 | W|GGL|T | well, the battery thing last night |
| 00:15:25 | ljp_ | PDA upgrade plan? |
| 00:15:26 | W|GGL|T | other than that |
| 00:15:36 | W|GGL|T | extended warranty |
| 00:15:37 | MSpin | your's took its vitamins |
| 00:15:49 | W|GGL|T | i gave mine viagra |
| 00:15:50 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 00:16:00 | ljp_ | what upgrade plan? |
| 00:16:04 | W|GGL|T | extended warranty |
| 00:16:11 | MSpin | ljp_: their service plan is no questions asked replacement |
| 00:16:18 | ljp_ | ahhh |
| 00:16:25 | sig | I'm going to call this on (#4) like on star trek |
| 00:16:27 | MSpin | some of the sales reps even call it the PDA uprade plan |
| 00:16:57 | W|GGL|T | ok...brb...gotta take care of the girls now |
| 00:21:24 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 00:26:46 | sig | hmm |
| 00:26:52 | sig | i can't connect to my router from my linux box |
| 00:26:55 | sig | wtf |
| 00:28:35 | ][N-Flux | is back (gone 45:10:17) |
| 00:29:35 | noiddAWAY | why not? |
| 00:31:32 | sig | ok |
| 00:31:47 | sig | why the hell can't I click buttons with my z via vnc now? |
| 00:32:32 | noiddAWAY | blast - this curses program is designed to abort if it doesn't get 80 chars across |
| 00:32:53 | siriusnov | ok |
| 00:32:53 | siriusnov | wtf |
| 00:33:04 | siriusnov | how do you get the network package manager to work |
| 00:33:08 | sig | help me with this calibration shit |
| 00:33:15 | siriusnov | like I add a zauruszone and nothing happens |
| 00:33:16 | siriusnov | wtf!?!? |
| 00:33:22 | siriusnov | http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ |
| 00:33:25 | siriusnov | and I get nothing |
| 00:33:56 | sig | W|GGL|T: |
| 00:34:02 | sig | damn now i can't use vnc with this thing |
| 00:34:34 | siriusnov | im not getting any feeds |
| 00:34:35 | siriusnov | wtf |
| 00:34:39 | siriusnov | this is ticking me off |
| 00:35:08 | roge99_laptop | siriusnov: which one are you using |
| 00:35:31 | noidd | I heard a rumour that there was an application you could run which rotated Zaurus applications by 90 degrees so you could run them portrait. Any of you guys heard if it? |
| 00:35:36 | noidd | or landscape even |
| 00:35:44 | roge99_laptop | try an ipkg update on command line to see if it connects |
| 00:35:46 | sig | can someone help me figure out why I can't use my pc to click the vnc keys? |
| 00:36:12 | siriusnov | roge99_laptop, http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ |
| 00:36:13 | noidd | sig: I would have no clue, sorry :-( |
| 00:36:21 | siriusnov | I add the server in the add network feed box |
| 00:36:24 | siriusnov | and nothing happens |
| 00:36:30 | roge99_laptop | no.. the gui pkgmgr |
| 00:36:41 | siriusnov | yeah |
| 00:37:05 | roge99_laptop | theris oipkg and qtpkg iirc |
| 00:37:17 | siriusnov | im using whatever is stock |
| 00:37:33 | roge99_laptop | sharp rom |
| 00:37:42 | siriusnov | 2.37 |
| 00:37:58 | roge99_laptop | hmmm i havent used a sharp rom since january ..... |
| 00:38:27 | Cloudchaser | did you recalibrate your vnc after you upgraded rom? |
| 00:38:41 | MSpin | damn! this work works the first time, woohoo! |
| 00:38:48 | roge99_laptop | try using ipkg update on the commnad line and see what happens |
| 00:38:56 | siriusnov | ok |
| 00:40:43 | siriusnov | weird |
| 00:41:01 | siriusnov | it doesnt like anything else besides "New" in the name area |
| 00:41:42 | sig | k now the fucker crashes |
| 00:41:43 | sig | hah |
| 00:42:37 | roge99_laptop | siriusnov: what does /etc/ipkg.conf look like |
| 00:44:56 | sig_Zaurus | ok, finally got this whore back up and running |
| 00:45:18 | sig_Zaurus | vnc allows me to type like a MOFO |
| 00:45:51 | sjohnson | roge99_laptop: one or more lines - src <name> <feed-url> |
| 00:46:11 | sjohnson | roge99_laptop: one or more lines - dest <name> <install-path> |
| 00:46:38 | roge99_laptop | yea thats about right |
| 00:47:09 | sig_Zaurus | bash-2.05# cat /proc/cpuinfo Processor : Intel StrongARM-1110 rev 8 (v4l) BogoMIPS : 137.21 Hardware : Sharp-Collie Revision : 0000 Serial : 0000000000000000 bash-2.05# |
| 00:49:45 | roge99_laptop | bbiab .... |
| 00:50:55 | sig | ok I got this thing back in order |
| 00:51:03 | sig | now I just need to do all my addresses again |
| 00:51:04 | sig | :( |
| 00:52:06 | noidd | that sucks, sorry dude |
| 00:52:23 | Cloudchaser | what happened sig? |
| 00:52:32 | sig | with what? |
| 00:52:47 | sig | damnit |
| 00:52:57 | sig | tkcjabber is telling me something is not acceptable? |
| 00:52:58 | sig | lol |
| 00:54:13 | noidd | ok, its 3am |
| 00:54:21 | noidd | i've been compiling too long |
| 00:54:23 | noidd | later guys |
| 00:54:26 | noidd | waves |
| 01:03:27 | siriusnov | hey |
| 01:03:31 | siriusnov | how the hell do I change the Zaurus prompt? |
| 01:03:35 | siriusnov | from # |
| 01:03:38 | siriusnov | to something useful |
| 01:03:46 | siriusnov | I can do it with .bashrc but that only works using the terminal |
| 01:03:50 | siriusnov | not with sshing in |
| 01:04:05 | siriusnov | i tried .profile, and .login |
| 01:04:07 | siriusnov | dont work either |
| 01:18:04 | ][N-Flux | hey Neo |
| 01:18:41 | NeoTron | heya |
| 01:19:00 | ][N-Flux | is pumped |
| 01:19:05 | ][N-Flux | getting a tuxscreen |
| 01:19:18 | NeoTron | heh |
| 01:19:43 | sig | now I'm really pissed!!!!!! |
| 01:19:54 | sig | I can't connect to my router with this machine?!?!?! |
| 01:21:54 | W|GGL|T | which router? |
| 01:22:49 | W|GGL|T | linksys? |
| 01:24:23 | ljp_ | n-flux: you going to try to put opie on there? |
| 01:28:35 | sig | W|GGL|T: huh? sorry i was on the phone? |
| 01:28:42 | sig | W|GGL|T: yeah router |
| 01:28:48 | sig | all my other shit can connect to it |
| 01:28:53 | sig | but not this linux comp |
| 01:36:59 | tux_mike | ahhh |
| 01:41:04 | W|GGL|T | lol..../me is owning in Q3A |
| 01:41:24 | tux_mike | i just took a relaxing drive |
| 01:45:32 | W|GGL|T | hasn't driven in like 3 days |
| 01:47:38 | ljp_ | hasn't driven in like 3 hours |
| 01:47:49 | W|GGL|T | just 0WN3D a buncha people in Q3A...i think someone pinged me off |
| 01:47:49 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 01:51:57 | ACEDOG | my z still will not suspend automatically. What's up? I just put the new rom on. |
| 01:54:54 | tux_mike | W|GGL|T: i haven't driven for more than five mins in the past month, so it was good to get out for an hour |
| 01:55:28 | W|GGL|T | will drive to austin next thurs to pick up the wife...dunno if i'll take the sports car or family car |
| 01:55:40 | tux_mike | sports car |
| 01:55:54 | tux_mike | that's a no-brainer for me :) |
| 01:56:27 | W|GGL|T | lol...it'll be a really tight fit with two kids and a passenger |
| 01:56:39 | W|GGL|T | the back seats are really small |
| 01:56:39 | jmhodges | heya |
| 01:56:45 | W|GGL|T | even for kids |
| 01:56:46 | tux_mike | bah, two kids... |
| 01:56:49 | W|GGL|T | re jmhodges |
| 01:56:59 | tux_mike | :) |
| 01:57:05 | W|GGL|T | too bad i cant put them in daycare and go pick her up alone |
| 01:57:09 | W|GGL|T | i'd FLY!!! |
| 01:57:22 | tux_mike | i need more acceleration out of my car |
| 01:57:38 | W|GGL|T | i might have asked before, but what car do you have? |
| 01:57:43 | tux_mike | saturn sc2 |
| 01:57:47 | W|GGL|T | ahh...that's right |
| 01:57:50 | tux_mike | wish i got the manual now. |
| 01:57:55 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 01:58:01 | tux_mike | i hate automatic :) |
| 01:58:02 | W|GGL|T | really likes the saturn SUV |
| 01:58:06 | W|GGL|T | a bit small tho |
| 01:58:08 | jmhodges | is seeing the movement of a conversation before my eyes |
| 01:58:36 | W|GGL|T | tux_mike: i usually hate automatics but my family car has 200hp, so i don't really mind |
| 01:58:36 | jmhodges | well |
| 01:58:52 | tux_mike | yah, i wouldn't mind with 200hp either :) |
| 01:59:39 | W|GGL|T | if i get a job, im gonna trade my car in for a subaru wrx |
| 01:59:52 | W|GGL|T | or a jeep |
| 01:59:53 | jmhodges | as in an suv!? |
| 01:59:55 | jmhodges | ICK |
| 02:00:00 | W|GGL|T | what's that small jeep |
| 02:00:02 | W|GGL|T | the new one |
| 02:00:09 | jmhodges | I hate suvs with a violent passion |
| 02:00:16 | W|GGL|T | jmhodges: subaru wrx is a sports car |
| 02:00:19 | jmhodges | oh |
| 02:00:20 | tux_mike | i still wish i could go through with my plans to make my saturn into something that can beat a mustang off of the line :) |
| 02:00:20 | jmhodges | sorry |
| 02:00:23 | jmhodges | just saw subaru |
| 02:00:24 | W|GGL|T | with awd |
| 02:00:32 | jmhodges | thought suburban |
| 02:00:34 | jmhodges | :( |
| 02:00:35 | jmhodges | sorry |
| 02:00:42 | jmhodges | hates suvs |
| 02:00:42 | jmhodges | :) |
| 02:00:43 | W|GGL|T | tux_mike: there are some that can do just that |
| 02:00:43 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 02:00:56 | tux_mike | subarus have a bad rap here. they are driven by slow people |
| 02:00:58 | W|GGL|T | i usually KILL mustangs off the line with my talon |
| 02:01:09 | W|GGL|T | they sometimes catch me on top end tho |
| 02:01:16 | tux_mike | W|GGL|T: yah, but it's gonna cost more than i paid for the car to do it :) |
| 02:01:21 | W|GGL|T | true |
| 02:01:24 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 02:01:42 | W|GGL|T | but a saturn is the ultimate sleeper if you hook it up |
| 02:01:43 | tux_mike | i'd need a new trans, new suspension, new engine, new exhaust, basically new car - body :) |
| 02:02:05 | W|GGL|T | youch |
| 02:02:40 | tux_mike | yah, i love the idea of a sleeper, being able to cream the guys who have the tricked-out cars in somethign that looks stock :) |
| 02:02:43 | W|GGL|T | that's why you do what i did and buy a cheap fast one...if they are already fast stock then it's usually easier on the wallet to make them go faster |
| 02:02:51 | W|GGL|T | tux_mike: where do you live? |
| 02:03:00 | tux_mike | outside chicago |
| 02:03:10 | W|GGL|T | lots of mustangs there? |
| 02:03:24 | W|GGL|T | for every cow here (TX) there's a mustang |
| 02:03:26 | tux_mike | good deal. and i hate them. every last one :) |
| 02:03:31 | W|GGL|T | LOL |
| 02:03:35 | W|GGL|T | they usually hate me |
| 02:03:50 | W|GGL|T | all the one except those with slicks |
| 02:04:02 | tux_mike | i love the fact that the V-6 grand prix can beat out a v-8 mustang |
| 02:04:10 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 02:04:27 | W|GGL|T | those v6s are supercharged |
| 02:04:30 | W|GGL|T | but still |
| 02:04:31 | tux_mike | yah |
| 02:04:41 | tux_mike | but, don't they come from the factory that way? :) |
| 02:04:47 | W|GGL|T | 's car is turbo |
| 02:04:48 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 02:05:11 | W|GGL|T | its really fast for a four door |
| 02:05:16 | W|GGL|T | but altimas are faster |
| 02:05:33 | tux_mike | i couldn't get a sedan. but altimas are good... prety tempting :) |
| 02:05:49 | W|GGL|T | actually pretty cheap too |
| 02:05:57 | tux_mike | well, i gotta go, i have some friends waiting :) |
| 02:06:07 | W|GGL|T | ok ... nice car chatting with you |
| 02:06:18 | tux_mike | :) |
| 02:06:35 | aNNoyeD | anybody know how toget rid of the yellow ! under win2k? iam tired of it. |
| 02:07:18 | jmhodges | ? |
| 02:07:26 | W|GGL|T | what hardware? |
| 02:07:28 | jmhodges | i have no idea what you are talking about |
| 02:07:31 | jmhodges | :) |
| 02:07:39 | W|GGL|T | the yellow "!" sign |
| 02:07:45 | W|GGL|T | hardware conflict |
| 02:07:53 | W|GGL|T | maybe |
| 02:08:06 | W|GGL|T | settings may be wrong or something |
| 02:08:10 | aNNoyeD | the sharp zaurus |
| 02:08:12 | aNNoyeD | what else? |
| 02:08:25 | W|GGL|T | ok...you lost me there |
| 02:08:29 | aNNoyeD | there is no msinfo32 in 2k so i dont know what its conflicting with |
| 02:08:32 | W|GGL|T | the NIS driver? |
| 02:08:40 | jmhodges | kergoth: no pressure but is there any (no matter how rough) ETA on the next beta :) |
| 02:08:54 | W|GGL|T | runs XP, so he may not be able to help |
| 02:08:55 | aNNoyeD | ya |
| 02:09:00 | W|GGL|T | Cloudchaser uses 2000 |
| 02:09:04 | aNNoyeD | NIS driver. |
| 02:09:22 | aNNoyeD | SL Series (WDM) |
| 02:09:35 | aNNoyeD | it says "The device cannot start" Code 10 |
| 02:09:44 | W|GGL|T | are you making sure you are removing the cradle from usb before installing the drivers? |
| 02:10:02 | aNNoyeD | no i didnt remove the cradle. |
| 02:10:07 | W|GGL|T | that's about the only thing i can think of |
| 02:10:16 | W|GGL|T | you have to disconnect it before you install |
| 02:10:22 | W|GGL|T | and turn off the Z |
| 02:10:33 | aNNoyeD | well what do i do now? i disconnect and reinstall the drivers? |
| 02:10:38 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 02:10:43 | W|GGL|T | and pray |
| 02:10:43 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 02:10:58 | W|GGL|T | pray that it works...that's the only thing i can think of |
| 02:11:01 | aNNoyeD | uninstall the drivers, then ? |
| 02:11:05 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 02:11:06 | Oriumpor | boo |
| 02:11:19 | aNNoyeD | how can i install the drivers?? |
| 02:11:23 | W|GGL|T | just go to 'device' manager and remove NIS driver |
| 02:11:34 | W|GGL|T | then reinstall |
| 02:11:39 | aNNoyeD | wait i cant uninstall them if the device is disconnected |
| 02:12:12 | W|GGL|T | ok, then try to remove it with the cradle connected |
| 02:12:25 | W|GGL|T | shouldn't hurt anything |
| 02:12:40 | | Cloudchaser was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 20 minutes and 17 seconds ago, saying: what happened sig? [Sat Jul 13 01:52:23 2002] |
| 02:12:40 | W|GGL|T | ibot seen Cloudchaser |
| 02:12:59 | W|GGL|T | Cloudchaser may be a better help but she's away, it seems |
| 02:13:03 | | I haven't seen 'Oriupor', Oriumpor |
| 02:13:03 | Oriumpor | ibot seen Oriupor? |
| 02:13:15 | W|GGL|T | didn't get his Z case today |
| 02:13:21 | W|GGL|T | UPS didn't come :o( |
| 02:13:27 | aNNoyeD | i just lost my muse...DAMN i hate this. brb |
| 02:13:28 | Oriumpor | that that leather case? |
| 02:13:44 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: yuck |
| 02:13:51 | jmhodges | ok i need something to do |
| 02:14:07 | jmhodges | notes that his bug on the opie mantis has yet to be assigned :) |
| 02:15:39 | jbwiv | I'm starting to wonder it there is something wrong with my week-old Z... |
| 02:16:03 | Oriumpor | is it brand new? |
| 02:16:10 | W|GGL|T | Oriumpor: http://www.pielframa.com |
| 02:16:45 | jbwiv | about every second time I reboot from the command-line with "reboot", the system locks up completely. soft reset won't do anything, not even clear the screen. All I can do is a hard reset, and lose everything I haven't backed up. |
| 02:16:58 | jbwiv | Oriumpor: yes...brand-spanking new 5500 |
| 02:17:38 | Oriumpor | oh *sighs* I want the toshiba : P |
| 02:18:16 | jbwiv | can't figure out what's going on. of course, all log messages are lost ;-) |
| 02:18:31 | W|GGL|T | crap...rain is here |
| 02:18:35 | Oriumpor | I didn't even know there was a log |
| 02:18:59 | jbwiv | if you start up syslog, there is. |
| 02:19:17 | Oriumpor | true enough |
| 02:19:27 | W|GGL|T | i thought the Z didn't keep logs by default |
| 02:19:31 | W|GGL|T | logs can get big |
| 02:19:42 | W|GGL|T | really big |
| 02:20:06 | Oriumpor | logs get huge |
| 02:20:10 | jbwiv | it doesn't...I've been working on other stuff so always starting up syslog. besides, I don't have to worry about losing anything, cause I lose it all every second reboot ;-) |
| 02:20:21 | jbwiv | anyone have any insight into what might be causing this? |
| 02:20:43 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 02:20:44 | W|GGL|T | no |
| 02:20:55 | W|GGL|T | ive never had any real problems with my z |
| 02:20:58 | Oriumpor | maybe you keep running out of space and you can't finish the boot till your logs get whiped |
| 02:21:03 | W|GGL|T | knocks on wood |
| 02:21:45 | W|GGL|T | stock rom or OZ? |
| 02:22:23 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 02:22:25 | W|GGL|T | http://acm.roosevelt.edu/~kyle/yoda.jpg |
| 02:22:31 | jbwiv | Oriumpor: nope...lot's of space ;-) |
| 02:22:35 | jbwiv | stock rom |
| 02:22:47 | jmhodges | http://www.physicsweb.org/article/news/6/7/9 <-- awesomeness incarnate |
| 02:23:16 | W|GGL|T | did you recently install anything? |
| 02:23:25 | W|GGL|T | or change a setting or use a script? |
| 02:24:05 | Oriumpor | you could try flashing with a version back |
| 02:24:13 | Oriumpor | or an upgrade rom if you haven't already |
| 02:24:17 | jbwiv | sure...but as I say, I lose those every second reboot, so there's no common cause as far as I can tell. I'm starting to think it's an issue with the rom itself |
| 02:24:29 | W|GGL|T | which rom? |
| 02:24:37 | W|GGL|T | 2.20? or 2.37? |
| 02:25:16 | Oriumpor | nice cases |
| 02:25:25 | jbwiv | 2.12 |
| 02:25:48 | jbwiv | don't have cf yet, so can't upgrade yet ;( |
| 02:25:53 | jbwiv | afaik |
| 02:26:26 | W|GGL|T | 2.37 lets you upgrade via usb (windows OS) |
| 02:26:45 | W|GGL|T | no need for cf, afaik |
| 02:27:11 | jmhodges | the rom i had let you just d/l an ipk and it would install the new rom |
| 02:27:26 | jbwiv | well, there is that little need for windows... |
| 02:27:37 | jbwiv | jmhodges: really? interesting. |
| 02:27:40 | jbwiv | which rom? |
| 02:27:50 | W|GGL|T | osapp |
| 02:28:14 | W|GGL|T | it works with all sharp roms |
| 02:28:29 | W|GGL|T | but i think you'd still need a cf card |
| 02:29:05 | W|GGL|T | Cloudchaser installed 2.37 thru usb and no cf |
| 02:29:16 | jmhodges | cant remember.. |
| 02:29:26 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: i dont think so :/ |
| 02:29:31 | W|GGL|T | i looked at it and almost did it last night but decided to do it the traditional way |
| 02:29:48 | jbwiv | WIGGLIT: but you *have* to have Windows? |
| 02:30:05 | W|GGL|T | ive used that ipkg before, and i'd thought that i had to use cf...can't remember |
| 02:30:09 | W|GGL|T | was awhile back |
| 02:30:13 | W|GGL|T | jbwiv: yeah |
| 02:30:25 | jbwiv | too bad. wonder why? |
| 02:30:37 | W|GGL|T | its an .exe file |
| 02:30:41 | W|GGL|T | lemme look at it again |
| 02:30:41 | W|GGL|T | brb |
| 02:30:56 | jmhodges | jbwiv: psst.. i did it in linux |
| 02:31:01 | jmhodges | i think |
| 02:31:02 | jmhodges | :) |
| 02:31:09 | jmhodges | hasnt used a sharp rom in a while |
| 02:31:27 | jbwiv | jmhodges: how, might I ask? |
| 02:32:19 | Oriumpor | sharp rom still full of crap you don't need? |
| 02:32:32 | W|GGL|T | yeah, its an .exe file |
| 02:32:38 | W|GGL|T | called 'updaterom.exe' |
| 02:33:02 | jmhodges | jbwiv: i just loaded the files (with qtopiadesktop) on to it and then ran the app provided |
| 02:33:02 | jmhodges | hold on |
| 02:33:05 | jmhodges | lemme find the site |
| 02:33:10 | W|GGL|T | that's the one that'll let you flash the rom via usb |
| 02:33:39 | jmhodges | 3. Download the Sytem ROM and System ROM update utility: |
| 02:33:39 | jmhodges | Download the ospack.srom file and qpe-appROM_1.5.0-1_arm.ipk files (below) and save them in the Intellisync Access folder located on the Windows desktop. |
| 02:33:39 | jmhodges | w\ |
| 02:33:46 | jbwiv | WIG: cool, thanks |
| 02:33:47 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: thats Intellisync |
| 02:33:55 | jmhodges | http://myzaurus.com/ROMupdate2.asp ! |
| 02:33:56 | jmhodges | hah! |
| 02:34:04 | jmhodges | :) |
| 02:34:06 | MoofaasaBinSaid | hey |
| 02:34:08 | MoofaasaBinSaid | oops |
| 02:34:12 | jmhodges | hey |
| 02:34:14 | siriusno | better |
| 02:34:15 | siriusno | :) |
| 02:34:16 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 02:34:18 | jmhodges | wtf was that? |
| 02:34:23 | siriusno | my alter ego |
| 02:34:24 | W|GGL|T | and actually, you can do it without qpe-appROM |
| 02:34:25 | jmhodges | jbwiv: http://myzaurus.com/ROMupdate2.asp |
| 02:34:27 | siriusno | go here |
| 02:34:36 | siriusno | http://eviltentacle.org:7070 |
| 02:34:36 | Oriumpor | that's interesting... how exactly does the sharp rom update via USB? |
| 02:34:43 | siriusno | tell me if ya get anything |
| 02:34:53 | Oriumpor | nfs/tftp or something? |
| 02:34:55 | jmhodges | siriusno: nope |
| 02:35:08 | jmhodges | siriusno: no good |
| 02:35:25 | W|GGL|T | Oriumpor: i haven't used it, Cloudchaser has tho |
| 02:35:38 | siriusno | http://24.166.181.158:7070 |
| 02:35:40 | siriusno | try that |
| 02:35:49 | jbwiv | cool. thanks jm |
| 02:36:19 | jmhodges | no biggie jbwiv |
| 02:36:26 | jmhodges | kiss it W|GGL|T! ;) |
| 02:36:39 | W|GGL|T | smacks jmhodges with his floppy |
| 02:36:41 | jmhodges | siriusno: Connection refused |
| 02:36:45 | jmhodges | lol W|GGL|T |
| 02:36:45 | Oriumpor | it would be really interesting |
| 02:36:46 | siriusno | gay |
| 02:36:48 | siriusno | hmm |
| 02:37:19 | W|GGL|T | jbwiv: let us know if it works without cf |
| 02:37:25 | W|GGL|T | im curious |
| 02:37:25 | siriusno | jmhodges, can you go here: http://eviltentacle.org or http://24.166.181.158 ? |
| 02:37:44 | jmhodges | both dude |
| 02:37:45 | jmhodges | :) |
| 02:37:46 | jbwiv | WIGGLIT: I will, but won't be doing it for an hour or so... |
| 02:37:48 | jmhodges | quick load too |
| 02:37:50 | jmhodges | me like |
| 02:37:51 | siriusno | weird |
| 02:38:09 | W|GGL|T | wonders what's hogging his cpu cycles |
| 02:38:18 | W|GGL|T | kmail! |
| 02:38:21 | W|GGL|T | grrr |
| 02:38:22 | sig | W|GGL|T: got #4 |
| 02:38:28 | jmhodges | lol siriusno |
| 02:38:31 | siriusnana | ok |
| 02:38:34 | jmhodges | sig: wha? |
| 02:38:35 | siriusnana | my connection is all screwy |
| 02:38:36 | W|GGL|T | sig: #4 zaurus? |
| 02:38:40 | jmhodges | siriusnana: LOL |
| 02:38:41 | sig | yup |
| 02:38:42 | jmhodges | dude! |
| 02:38:43 | sig | hah |
| 02:38:43 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 02:38:46 | jmhodges | register your name |
| 02:38:48 | jmhodges | sig: NICE |
| 02:38:51 | jmhodges | ;P |
| 02:38:52 | sig | just got 2.37 on it |
| 02:38:54 | W|GGL|T | i woulda got pissed at #3 |
| 02:38:55 | jmhodges | cool |
| 02:38:58 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 02:39:02 | jmhodges | seriously |
| 02:39:15 | siriusnana | well shit |
| 02:39:17 | siriusnana | no wonder |
| 02:39:18 | jmhodges | #3 would have been the end .... well.. cept not if i knew aobut this place |
| 02:39:19 | jmhodges | and OZ |
| 02:39:19 | siriusnana | im doing it wrong |
| 02:39:21 | siriusnana | <---- jackass |
| 02:39:22 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 02:39:22 | sig | http://sig.ath.cx/screenshots/vncdeb.jpg |
| 02:39:27 | jmhodges | hehe salright siriusn.. |
| 02:39:29 | jmhodges | dammit! |
| 02:39:39 | W|GGL|T | if i had to get turn my z in 3 times, i'd tell sharp to go fuck off |
| 02:39:39 | siriusnana | brb |
| 02:39:39 | ACEDOG | i love SUVs |
| 02:39:55 | jmhodges | stabs ACEDOG |
| 02:40:07 | ACEDOG | haha |
| 02:40:16 | jmhodges | stabs ACEDOG again.. except harder |
| 02:40:23 | W|GGL|T | just likes awd, not necessarily SUVs :o) |
| 02:40:25 | jmhodges | :) |
| 02:40:29 | siriusisadummy | ok |
| 02:40:32 | siriusisadummy | now it should work |
| 02:40:39 | siriusisadummy | http://eviltentacle.org:7070 |
| 02:40:42 | W|GGL|T | crash test dummy |
| 02:40:55 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 02:40:55 | siriusisadummy | and please kick my other nicks off |
| 02:40:58 | jmhodges | dude! |
| 02:40:58 | jmhodges | register your damn name! |
| 02:40:58 | siriusisadummy | id like them back |
| 02:41:05 | siriusisadummy | hehe |
| 02:41:15 | Oriumpor | what am I looking at?... or going to be when this .jpg downloads |
| 02:41:16 | siriusisadummy | jmhodges do you get anything? |
| 02:41:17 | jmhodges | sig: what app is that now? |
| 02:41:23 | sig | W|GGL|T: this has probably the best z yet |
| 02:41:23 | jmhodges | is not familiar with it.. |
| 02:41:28 | sig | jmhodges: what app? |
| 02:41:32 | W|GGL|T | daym...that's running on your Z? |
| 02:41:33 | jbwiv | I'm awaiting my fourth Z currently. All problems with specs under the screen. I know, maybe particular, but it is irritating. |
| 02:41:33 | jmhodges | yeppers siriusdu |
| 02:41:40 | siriusisadummy | jmhodges, you get my Z page? |
| 02:41:41 | jmhodges | sig: thats vnc right? |
| 02:41:45 | siriusisadummy | cool |
| 02:41:46 | sig | jmhodges: yeah |
| 02:41:47 | jmhodges | OUCH jbwiv |
| 02:41:50 | jmhodges | hm.. |
| 02:41:51 | siriusisadummy | ok everything works |
| 02:41:58 | jmhodges | is that oz sig? |
| 02:42:04 | Oriumpor | jabber? |
| 02:42:06 | sig | no, sharps 2.37 ROM |
| 02:42:12 | jmhodges | i hate you sig |
| 02:42:13 | jmhodges | :) |
| 02:42:16 | treke|home | jbwiv: If your waiting for #4, your probablly too picky :) |
| 02:42:22 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 02:42:25 | sig | I found the tkc apps to not be as good as the free ones |
| 02:42:28 | jbwiv | four in one week. But, unlike WIGGLIT, I won't throw slurs in Sharp's direction. |
| 02:42:33 | jmhodges | but sig just got his 4th :) |
| 02:42:35 | jbwiv | I love the Z! ;-) |
| 02:42:43 | jmhodges | Sharp does suck.. but OZ is kingly :) |
| 02:42:51 | treke|home | Sharp rocks |
| 02:43:03 | Oriumpor | Thekompany put out all that shtuff? |
| 02:43:04 | sig | treke|home: hehe |
| 02:43:12 | jmhodges | i meant the hardware is great |
| 02:43:17 | jmhodges | but the roms.. ick |
| 02:43:19 | W|GGL|T | siriusno: how is your Z connected? |
| 02:43:20 | treke|home | Qtopia/Opie would suck if Sharp hadnt put out the Z :) |
| 02:43:21 | W|GGL|T | wifi? |
| 02:43:21 | sig | treke|home: http://sig.ath.cx/screenshots/vncdeb.jpg |
| 02:43:22 | jmhodges | i mean exploit here |
| 02:43:30 | jmhodges | exploit there |
| 02:43:30 | jmhodges | yeesh |
| 02:43:36 | jmhodges | and dont expect a patch anytime soon |
| 02:43:58 | sig | well fella's, I need to go do some serious beer drinking here in about 30 minutes..... |
| 02:43:59 | treke|home | jmhodges: Well its hard to patch something that isnt quite a bug |
| 02:44:04 | sig | I'll be back when my wits are without me |
| 02:44:06 | sig | heh |
| 02:44:09 | jmhodges | treke|home: its more than a bug |
| 02:44:12 | jbwiv | trekelhome: #1: small specs #2 even more specs #3 no specs...but yellow smudges under screen |
| 02:44:13 | jmhodges | ok i meant new rom |
| 02:44:16 | jmhodges | excuse me |
| 02:44:24 | treke|home | jmhodges: Its a design flaw, those are harder to work around :) |
| 02:44:31 | jbwiv | trekelhome: I have the option, so I'll be picky :) |
| 02:44:45 | treke|home | sig: its tkZaurus :) |
| 02:44:59 | sig | treke|home: huh? |
| 02:45:09 | W|GGL|T | where'd sirius go? |
| 02:45:11 | ACEDOG | has anyone ported ntp? other than drifter |
| 02:45:13 | treke|home | er tkcZaurus |
| 02:45:23 | sig | bbl |
| 02:45:29 | W|GGL|T | later sig |
| 02:45:32 | treke|home | W|GGL|T: I've got ntpd binaries somewhere. familiar has ntpdate |
| 02:45:32 | jmhodges | treke|home: they new for a month |
| 02:45:38 | jmhodges | and still no fix |
| 02:45:44 | jmhodges | s/new/knew/ |
| 02:45:45 | jmhodges | yow .. |
| 02:45:47 | Oriumpor | you mean the ftp listen "exploit" ? |
| 02:45:49 | jmhodges | fingers going to fast |
| 02:45:58 | jmhodges | Oriumpor: and the missing randomness :) |
| 02:46:32 | treke|home | jmhodges: because the fix would probably break syncing. So they cant fix it till qtopiadesktop/activesync are fixed |
| 02:46:59 | Oriumpor | jmhodges: hmm |
| 02:47:03 | jmhodges | so fix it all! why would it take so long to say "oh shit.. heres how well fix this" and tell everyone |
| 02:47:37 | W|GGL|T | ftp://ftp.pangeia.com.br/pub/zaurus |
| 02:47:53 | jmhodges | when you have multiple people that specialize in different things multitasking this away |
| 02:48:06 | jmhodges | not a month long process |
| 02:48:28 | treke|home | does sharp even have the source for either of those products? They can pressue TrollTech and the Authors of Intellisync, ut they might not be able to fix the product themselves |
| 02:48:48 | W|GGL|T | found that link on the zaurus mail list |
| 02:48:58 | W|GGL|T | about ntpdate |
| 02:49:12 | treke|home | I prefer ntpd myself |
| 02:49:13 | ACEDOG | ntp good, drifter costly |
| 02:49:25 | jmhodges | treke|home: at the very least TrollTech would have fallen in step, its a huge contract for them right? |
| 02:50:37 | lex | is there something wrong with the z-general mailing list today?? |
| 02:50:45 | treke|home | jmhodges: Dont know. They do kind of have a monopoly on Qtopia and Sharp is pretty heavily invested in it. They might feel safe :) |
| 02:51:18 | ACEDOG | What's the opinion on the security holes? They need to be fixed, but how trivial is it to exploit them? |
| 02:51:37 | jmhodges | treke|home: safe enough to gamble their biggest hook? doubt it |
| 02:51:39 | jmhodges | :) |
| 02:51:43 | ACEDOG | I had some guy at work tell me to keep my pda off the network. |
| 02:51:46 | W|GGL|T | didnt notice anything wrong with the z-general list today |
| 02:51:53 | jmhodges | ACEDOG: pretty trivial |
| 02:51:57 | Oriumpor | three things to stop the ftp "exploit" make it part of the init of the usb0 dev or add a default root password (which probably is worse), or find a way to on the dev for usb0 |
| 02:52:05 | Oriumpor | to only listen on the dev for usb0 |
| 02:52:06 | Oriumpor | even |
| 02:52:07 | lex | i just have not been getting any messages since about 12 a.m |
| 02:52:09 | jmhodges | like the guys came in and told everyone that they should let their Z on the net ACEDOG |
| 02:52:16 | jmhodges | is on ppp and is not afraid :) |
| 02:53:07 | jmhodges | but im on OZ and im looking forward to the new rom coming out.. |
| 02:53:12 | lex | i think i mean 12 p.m. |
| 02:53:15 | treke|home | and the encryption problem is happily documented in the qtopia documentation, if its using what I think its using |
| 02:54:16 | W|GGL|T | i cant believe i had so many problems with OZ last night |
| 02:54:16 | jmhodges | siriusno: your time is now |
| 02:54:27 | Oriumpor | hrm. |
| 02:54:55 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: thats what you get for being bleedidng edge |
| 02:54:59 | jmhodges | shakes his finger at W|GGL|T |
| 02:55:04 | jmhodges | ;) |
| 02:55:10 | W|GGL|T | but i dont remember cutting my finger |
| 02:55:11 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 02:55:21 | treke|home | oh well. time to go digging through the qpe cvs :( |
| 02:55:42 | jmhodges | lol W|GGL|T |
| 02:56:03 | jmhodges | when i said SHOULD up ther |
| 02:56:06 | jmhodges | i meant SHOULDNT |
| 02:56:10 | jmhodges | and when i said GUYS |
| 02:56:23 | jmhodges | i meant THE EXPLOIT FINDERS AT SYRACUSE |
| 02:56:25 | jmhodges | thank you |
| 02:56:30 | jmhodges | is quiet from now one |
| 02:56:32 | jmhodges | dammit |
| 02:56:35 | jmhodges | s/one/on/ |
| 02:56:59 | jmhodges | ACEDOG_Z: guess you missed my correction |
| 02:57:00 | jmhodges | :( |
| 02:57:04 | jmhodges | ;) |
| 02:57:09 | W|GGL|T | siriusno: you there? |
| 02:57:35 | ACEDOG | no, a little perl catches my attention |
| 02:58:02 | ACEDOG | whoops, I'm not ACEDOG_Z |
| 02:58:06 | jmhodges | lol |
| 02:58:09 | ACEDOG | heehee |
| 02:58:43 | jmhodges | ok now this is funny |
| 02:58:48 | jmhodges | "People blinded by light could be treated with more light. Researchers have found that shining near-infrared radiation on damaged retinal cells can keep them alive and prevent permanent blindness." |
| 02:58:49 | ljp_ | I dont think they found that 'exploit', they only published it in the media |
| 02:58:49 | jmhodges | damn |
| 02:58:50 | jmhodges | :) |
| 02:59:00 | jmhodges | ljp_: ok then whatever :) |
| 02:59:26 | jmhodges | they said they told Sharp a month ago.. |
| 02:59:34 | ljp_ | its been known for awhile, and hopefully Sharp will do something about it, |
| 02:59:35 | jmhodges | but i dont know how they foudn it in the first place :/ |
| 02:59:47 | ljp_ | heh we told sharp 8 months ago |
| 03:00:06 | Oriumpor | heh... the Z told me when I netstat -a for the first time |
| 03:00:49 | jmhodges | ljp_: damn |
| 03:00:56 | ACEDOG | why don't they just set up an initial key exchange? Use the openssl stuff. |
| 03:00:58 | ljp_ | and that security notice didn't even 'find' the real security glitch |
| 03:01:01 | jmhodges | goes into the corner and puts on the dunce cap |
| 03:01:11 | jmhodges | im a baaaaad boy |
| 03:01:16 | ljp_ | no need to do that.. |
| 03:01:18 | jmhodges | :) |
| 03:01:19 | treke|home | weird... qpe cvs is majorly fscked |
| 03:01:28 | Oriumpor | which real security glitch : P |
| 03:01:38 | jmhodges | is intriguied as well |
| 03:01:41 | ljp_ | port 4243 |
| 03:01:45 | Oriumpor | oye |
| 03:02:05 | ljp_ | hehehe |
| 03:02:29 | jmhodges | what is qcop? |
| 03:02:47 | ljp_ | thats a program that sends mesasges to apps |
| 03:02:53 | jmhodges | holy shit |
| 03:02:55 | ljp_ | messages even |
| 03:03:07 | ACEDOG | language, please |
| 03:03:17 | jmhodges | but its just disabled in OZ ? |
| 03:03:19 | jmhodges | or .. |
| 03:03:25 | jmhodges | not disable |
| 03:03:30 | ljp_ | no |
| 03:03:34 | jmhodges | i meant. |
| 03:03:35 | jmhodges | thinks |
| 03:03:37 | jmhodges | dammit |
| 03:03:52 | jmhodges | ljp_: so what has been done about it in OZ ? |
| 03:03:57 | jmhodges | or will ? |
| 03:03:59 | ljp_ | opie changed the transferserver to be able to stop accepting connections. |
| 03:04:14 | ljp_ | Sharp is most likely going to do the same ;) |
| 03:04:39 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 03:04:51 | Oriumpor | the sharp image source isn't available to the public right?.... don't they have to ? |
| 03:04:53 | ljp_ | and the next major release of openzaurus will run as a user |
| 03:04:59 | Oriumpor | release it |
| 03:05:00 | Oriumpor | ? |
| 03:05:03 | jmhodges | ljp_: how does it stop accepting connections? does it check automatically or is itfrom the user? |
| 03:05:10 | jmhodges | ljp_: sweet |
| 03:05:21 | jmhodges | knows they have it down to a few last things |
| 03:05:25 | ljp_ | you can set the ip range which you want to accept connections from |
| 03:05:33 | jmhodges | oh cool |
| 03:05:34 | jmhodges | :) |
| 03:05:37 | Oriumpor | good |
| 03:05:43 | jmhodges | ljp_: is there any chance theres an eta? |
| 03:06:25 | ljp_ | not sure.. thats kergoths thing. |
| 03:06:31 | ACEDOG | why wont ipchains/iptables port? that would be an easy fix. |
| 03:06:41 | Oriumpor | cause it's not small |
| 03:07:13 | jmhodges | its big.. |
| 03:07:51 | ACEDOG | Fine. Then get tcpwrappers working with it. |
| 03:08:00 | Oriumpor | they're not small eitehr! |
| 03:08:18 | jmhodges | :( its an extremely limiting factor |
| 03:08:52 | ACEDOG | This isn't rocket science. Set up the stupid sync to only allow connections from a certain ip. |
| 03:09:15 | Oriumpor | how about set up the sync to only export FTP on a certain IP |
| 03:09:26 | treke|home | what? Sharp took that annoying feature out? |
| 03:09:48 | treke|home | The requirement to sync from 192.168.1.101 was pissing me off for so long with Qtopia :) |
| 03:10:22 | ljp_ | try telnet port 4243 |
| 03:10:31 | jmhodges | ? |
| 03:10:35 | Oriumpor | that's a pretty bad one too |
| 03:10:51 | Oriumpor | same deal, export only on a certain IP |
| 03:11:09 | jmhodges | yikes |
| 03:11:16 | treke|home | Particularly since that was in the trolltech tree months before the 5500 shipped :) |
| 03:11:21 | jmhodges | pokes kergoth |
| 03:12:12 | ACEDOG | yep, port 4243 wide open. I have a password set (openssh required it) but that's troubling. |
| 03:12:52 | ljp_ | yep. that security whatever didn't even see that one. |
| 03:13:29 | ljp_ | try running code on that port ;) |
| 03:13:49 | Oriumpor | java? |
| 03:14:00 | jmhodges | ljp_: are you kidding me!? |
| 03:14:06 | ljp_ | hehe.. binary.. sorry |
| 03:14:13 | jmhodges | OMG |
| 03:14:16 | Oriumpor | lol |
| 03:14:32 | Oriumpor | I gotta get my watch to do that |
| 03:14:41 | ljp_ | qcop QPE/System 'restart()' |
| 03:15:09 | jmhodges | is there another command i can try? |
| 03:15:20 | Oriumpor | ljp_: or what someone who made it in would probably do ssh <compromised system #4124> |
| 03:15:58 | ljp_ | might try rm -rf |
| 03:16:03 | ACEDOG | the code wouldn't be that big. Set up an initial key exchange, then authenticate using that. The code would be trivial. |
| 03:16:08 | Oriumpor | filesystem readonly |
| 03:16:27 | Oriumpor | cept openssh isn't installed by default is it? |
| 03:16:37 | ljp_ | might try rm -rf /mnt/cf |
| 03:16:52 | ljp_ | not on sharp's rom.. in oz it is |
| 03:17:31 | W|GG-Laptop | does the happy dance |
| 03:17:37 | jmhodges | hey W|GG |
| 03:17:40 | ljp_ | heck fire up vi |
| 03:17:43 | W|GG-Laptop | now i need to do this to all my machines |
| 03:17:59 | Oriumpor | so ... if you run the sharp rom, how does a key exchange effect you? |
| 03:18:08 | W|GG-Laptop | i finally figured how to turn off dhcp locally and use static IPs thru this router |
| 03:18:16 | jmhodges | so what did yuou guys have to do to remove that functionality in OZ ljp_ |
| 03:18:17 | jmhodges | ? |
| 03:18:37 | Oriumpor | ifconfig -a eth0 <ip> |
| 03:18:40 | ljp_ | we didn't remove it, just change it |
| 03:18:42 | Oriumpor | doesn't understand |
| 03:18:43 | ACEDOG-Laptop | I had to join the club |
| 03:19:04 | Oriumpor | my battery is almost dead |
| 03:19:05 | Oriumpor | heh |
| 03:19:10 | Oriumpor | I think I'm gonna log |
| 03:19:26 | jmhodges | ljp_: ok whats the change then? |
| 03:19:42 | jmhodges | 502 Command not implemented |
| 03:19:43 | jmhodges | :) |
| 03:20:24 | ljp_ | change is you can stop accepting connections |
| 03:20:46 | Oriumpor | all I gotta say is, at least sendmail isn't installed by default |
| 03:20:47 | jmhodges | Ok how? |
| 03:21:02 | Oriumpor | logging |
| 03:21:14 | ljp_ | they changed transferserver.cpp |
| 03:25:51 | kergoth | yawns |
| 03:25:53 | kergoth | re |
| 03:28:01 | W|GG-Laptop | re kergoth |
| 03:28:16 | jmhodges | argh |
| 03:28:18 | jmhodges | dialup sucks |
| 03:28:27 | jmhodges | uh.. hey kergoth.. apparently :) |
| 03:29:31 | Cloudchaser | hi guys |
| 03:29:54 | jmhodges | hey Cloudchaser |
| 03:31:52 | W|GG-Laptop | hi Cloudchaser |
| 03:32:00 | W|GGL|T | hi Cloudchaser :o) |
| 03:37:04 | roge99_laptop | hey kergoth how goes it |
| 03:37:06 | jbwiv | jmhodges: thanks for that rom info. it worked. |
| 03:37:16 | jbwiv | I wonder why they don't do that for all the roms. |
| 03:37:32 | treke|home | viewcvs is so beautiful :) |
| 03:37:36 | jmhodges | shrugs at jbwiv |
| 03:37:41 | jmhodges | treke|home: indeed :) |
| 03:38:33 | treke|home | trying to bring qtopias textedit up to date with opie-textedit in terms of bug fixes, the colored output is soo easy to followw |
| 03:38:50 | kergoth | hey roge99_laptop, not bad at all. yourself/ |
| 03:39:12 | roge99_laptop | not too bad busy as hell lately |
| 03:39:21 | kergoth | yeah i know how that goes |
| 03:39:25 | kergoth | been like that here too |
| 03:39:34 | roge99_laptop | so when is the next oz comin out |
| 03:39:55 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 03:40:02 | jmhodges | counts at least 4 people asking that |
| 03:40:15 | jmhodges | kergoth: no pressure bud ;) |
| 03:40:19 | treke|home | kergoth: Hey, the multiuser stuff coming from familiar, or hand rolled? |
| 03:40:21 | jmhodges | hey [DrEvil] :) |
| 03:40:31 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 03:40:32 | [DrEvil] | hi hi hi my little droogies |
| 03:40:44 | jmhodges | kergoth is getting pelted with questions |
| 03:40:47 | jmhodges | [DrEvil]: hehe |
| 03:41:03 | [DrEvil] | when is the next beta of OZ? |
| 03:41:13 | jmhodges | 5! |
| 03:41:14 | jmhodges | thats five |
| 03:41:25 | [DrEvil] | I had to say it |
| 03:41:38 | [DrEvil] | he keeps promising it to us |
| 03:41:41 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 03:41:44 | [DrEvil] | any day now |
| 03:41:49 | jmhodges | [DrEvil]: s'alright :) |
| 03:41:54 | [DrEvil] | must be using a msft release model |
| 03:41:57 | jmhodges | (with me at least) |
| 03:42:07 | jmhodges | smothers a chuckle |
| 03:42:30 | [DrEvil] | or the Doom ]|[ release schedule |
| 03:42:34 | warmi | re |
| 03:43:09 | [DrEvil] | OZ 2002 |
| 03:43:22 | kergoth | grumble |
| 03:43:25 | kergoth | damn users |
| 03:43:38 | kergoth | it'll come out when ipkg stops segfaulting, we'll leave it at that |
| 03:43:39 | kergoth | :-P |
| 03:43:45 | kergoth | re warmi, hunger |
| 03:44:06 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 03:44:10 | roge99_laptop | kergoth: dont forget to strip the modules ..... :-) |
| 03:44:21 | roge99_laptop | :-P |
| 03:44:34 | [DrEvil] | excuses excuses excuses |
| 03:44:38 | kergoth | saw that coming |
| 03:44:39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:44:44 | jmhodges | lol |
| 03:45:17 | [DrEvil] | I want a pony |
| 03:45:45 | jmhodges | lol! |
| 03:46:15 | [DrEvil] | time to fix my dinner and watch Odessy 5 and Jeremiah |
| 03:46:33 | [DrEvil] | I lub my TiVo(s) |
| 03:46:52 | W|GGL|T | will tell the wife that's what he wants for xmas...a tivo |
| 03:46:52 | warmi | TiVos are evil |
| 03:47:44 | [DrEvil] | they are great |
| 03:47:56 | jbwiv | anyone ever have a problem with vnc where it won't let you control the zaurus? The screen comes up fine, but no control? |
| 03:47:58 | [DrEvil] | I don't have to remember to watch TV |
| 03:48:10 | warmi | jbwiv: reboot your Z |
| 03:48:20 | warmi | I kid you not .. you only need to do it once |
| 03:48:31 | jbwiv | slaps himself on the head... |
| 03:48:33 | jbwiv | thanks |
| 03:49:15 | W|GGL|T | jbwiv: did you flash your rom yet? |
| 03:50:05 | warmi | jbwiv: I still vividly remember the day when I was asking the very same questions on this very same channel .. a |
| 03:50:23 | warmi | and jpl ( I believe) told me to reboot my Z |
| 03:50:25 | warmi | :-) |
| 03:50:34 | warmi | jlp even |
| 03:51:08 | jbwiv | :) thanks. |
| 03:51:19 | jbwiv | W|GGL|T: yup. worked like a charm. |
| 03:51:19 | jmhodges | heheeh |
| 03:51:44 | treke|home | hmmm. pretty much all the changes to textedit are related to ofiledialog. nifty :) |
| 03:52:16 | W|GG-Laptop | didnt know you could flash without a CF card....sharp's instructions seem to suggest otherwise |
| 03:52:16 | jmhodges | dares not install anything until oipkg is corrected.. |
| 03:52:31 | treke|home | never uses oipkg |
| 03:52:46 | jmhodges | im needing to install to mtdram. |
| 03:52:47 | warmi | jmhodges: still struggling with oipkg and Qfile ? |
| 03:52:48 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:53:00 | kergoth | W|GG-Laptop: sharp has an app to do it |
| 03:53:07 | treke|home | oh well. gotta work tomorrow :( bed time |
| 03:53:20 | warmi | work tommorow ? |
| 03:53:25 | jmhodges | warmi: hehe |
| 03:53:31 | jbwiv | WIG: The latest ROM instructions suggest the same. But this Rom (2.20) allows you to without CF. Wonder why the latest doesn't? |
| 03:53:32 | W|GG-Laptop | kergoth: they don't even mention the app, from what i saw |
| 03:53:32 | warmi | yuck |
| 03:53:37 | jmhodges | at least i figured out whats causing it! |
| 03:53:41 | jmhodges | warmi: ^ |
| 03:53:43 | jmhodges | :P |
| 03:53:47 | jmhodges | and i reported it.. |
| 03:53:49 | kergoth | W|GG-Laptop: it lets you flash over a usb interface directly. |
| 03:53:54 | jmhodges | but no assignment for me :( |
| 03:53:57 | treke|home | warmi: Yeah. One of those nasty we need you on staurday bits |
| 03:53:57 | warmi | jmhodges: good ... hehe |
| 03:54:01 | W|GG-Laptop | yeah....i saw that one |
| 03:54:11 | warmi | treke_: do they at least pay more for overtime ? |
| 03:54:14 | W|GG-Laptop | that's the way i was talking about earlier |
| 03:54:20 | W|GG-Laptop | that's a cool feature |
| 03:54:33 | jmhodges | warmi: even foudnt the bit of code that caused it (thank god for oipkg 9) |
| 03:54:43 | warmi | anyway, g'night treke |
| 03:54:49 | treke|home | nope. but they do pay me adequatly enough that it doesnt suck to much :) |
| 03:54:59 | warmi | treke_: heheh |
| 03:55:11 | jmhodges | gnight treke|home |
| 03:55:12 | treke|home | just that whole its 10 on a friday and I'm thinking of sleep :) |
| 03:55:24 | warmi | jmhodges: great then .. btw .. are you trying to learn Qt by any chance |
| 03:55:34 | warmi | treke_: 10 ?? that's no time to go to bed |
| 03:55:44 | warmi | even if tommorow is working saturday |
| 03:55:45 | warmi | hehee |
| 03:55:59 | jmhodges | warmi: im thinking about it ;) |
| 03:56:06 | warmi | i usually eat my dinner at 10 :-) |
| 03:56:10 | treke|home | I get grumpy if I dont get my sleep. And when I get grumpy I get real grumpy :) |
| 03:56:30 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 03:56:33 | warmi | treke_: yeah, I know what you saying ... I hate days like that .. |
| 03:57:02 | warmi | but I can sleep till 8, 8:20 |
| 03:57:16 | warmi | so I get my sleep even if I go to bed at 1 am |
| 03:57:31 | warmi | jmhodges: how's your C++ ? |
| 03:57:56 | jmhodges | warmi: decent my understanding is good but in practice ... well im out of it :) |
| 03:58:35 | jmhodges | qt looked pretty start forward |
| 03:58:59 | warmi | well, you won't get any practice until you try it |
| 03:59:11 | tux_mike | blah |
| 03:59:15 | jmhodges | warmi: :) |
| 03:59:20 | warmi | what's up tux_mike? |
| 03:59:24 | tux_mike | not much |
| 03:59:30 | jmhodges | tux_mike: whats worng then ?:)_ |
| 03:59:31 | roge99_laptop | hey tux_mike |
| 03:59:36 | roge99_laptop | hows it goin |
| 03:59:42 | tux_mike | jmhodges: broke :) |
| 03:59:49 | jmhodges | suck |
| 03:59:52 | tux_mike | roge: good enough, i guess |
| 03:59:55 | jmhodges | will soon know the feeling :) |
| 04:00:04 | tux_mike | jm: why's that? |
| 04:00:04 | roge99_laptop | ever get that drive workn |
| 04:00:07 | W|GG-Laptop | LAN-TCP/IP is only used with PC-Cards? |
| 04:00:50 | jmhodges | tux_mike: first year of college is coming up |
| 04:00:51 | jmhodges | :) |
| 04:00:59 | tux_mike | ah |
| 04:01:40 | jmhodges | yeah, but i got my parents to pay for 125 dollars of my books so.. :D |
| 04:01:58 | tux_mike | i miss being able to throw around money, like when i was at CDW, but i do realize it was either my sanity or money, no avoiding it |
| 04:02:17 | jmhodges | i dont have it near as bad as others do.. (my mom will be an asst prof at the school im going to .. free tuition ) |
| 04:02:23 | jmhodges | hehe tux_mike |
| 04:09:14 | jmhodges | so |
| 04:09:15 | jmhodges | wow.. |
| 04:10:03 | kergoth | is watching o brother where art thou |
| 04:10:22 | roge99_laptop | how is it ? |
| 04:10:39 | jmhodges | i love that movie |
| 04:12:08 | W|GG-Laptop | wonders why 192.168.129.201 works with his Z but 192.168.1.104 doesn't |
| 04:12:22 | W|GG-Laptop | qtopiadesktop no longer recognizes his Z |
| 04:12:34 | warmi | ah .. joys of USB on the Zaurus |
| 04:13:02 | W|GG-Laptop | hehe...im not about to buy a pc-card nic...yet |
| 04:13:19 | W|GG-Laptop | soon maybe, if i cant figure this out |
| 04:13:28 | warmi | heheh |
| 04:13:42 | warmi | well, then you are more patient than I was |
| 04:13:47 | W|GG-Laptop | the sharp manual doesn't say shit |
| 04:13:54 | tux_mike | well, i'm off to bed |
| 04:14:02 | W|GG-Laptop | night tux_mike |
| 04:14:02 | kergoth | night mike |
| 04:14:05 | kergoth | damn good movie |
| 04:14:11 | warmi | night tux_mike |
| 04:14:16 | tux_mike | night |
| 04:18:01 | warmi | kergoth: that movie .. brother where art you .. |
| 04:18:09 | warmi | is this by any chance about Ireland ? |
| 04:18:14 | warmi | N.Ireland ? |
| 04:20:05 | jmhodges | nope |
| 04:20:14 | warmi | oh .. something else then |
| 04:20:19 | jmhodges | yep |
| 04:21:10 | Titan818 | are there any other stargaing apps besides the ones at killefiz? |
| 04:21:53 | warmi | have you looked at myzaurus.com ? |
| 04:22:01 | jmhodges | Titan818: stargaing? |
| 04:22:12 | kergoth | s/gaing/gazing/? |
| 04:22:17 | Titan818 | oh sorry azing |
| 04:22:35 | Titan818 | gazing |
| 04:22:35 | jmhodges | aaah interesing |
| 04:22:49 | jmhodges | i didnt know there was a stargazing app at killefiz |
| 04:23:03 | jmhodges | is intrigued and wonders what other bits of magic are over there ;) |
| 04:23:14 | Titan818 | theres two, one for a price |
| 04:23:39 | jmhodges | ick |
| 04:25:13 | Titan818 | the free one doesn't look promising |
| 04:29:11 | jmhodges | damn.. mario sunshine looks good |
| 04:38:41 | jmhodges | ipkg info and ipkg status output the same thing! |
| 04:44:59 | kergoth | annoying eh |
| 04:46:49 | jmhodges | indeed |
| 04:46:53 | jmhodges | whats the point ? |
| 04:46:58 | kergoth | no idea |
| 04:47:04 | kergoth | pester carl |
| 04:47:07 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: whats up? |
| 04:47:10 | jmhodges | kergoth: which ones carl :) |
| 04:47:12 | W|GG-Laptop | damn...i thought it was just quiet...didnt know i'd timed out |
| 04:47:20 | jmhodges | ouch |
| 04:47:22 | kergoth | jmhodges: carl worth, one of the ipkg developers |
| 04:47:28 | jmhodges | ooh k |
| 04:47:37 | kergoth | jmhodges: #familiar / #handhelds.org, cworth |
| 04:47:42 | jmhodges | coool :) |
| 04:47:53 | jmhodges | ooo .. #handhelds.org? sweet |
| 04:47:59 | jmhodges | didnt know that existed |
| 04:49:29 | jmhodges | whoa.. the kismet dev guy has a screenshot of the Z! |
| 04:51:28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:51:29 | kergoth | yep |
| 04:51:37 | jmhodges | man thats cool |
| 04:51:39 | kergoth | hah, they're at the Sirens in the movie |
| 04:51:39 | jmhodges | :) |
| 04:51:45 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 04:51:57 | kergoth | "they turned him into a frog!" |
| 04:52:01 | jmhodges | lol |
| 04:52:03 | jmhodges | i love that! |
| 04:52:09 | kergoth | lol |
| 04:52:54 | kergoth | i love it when they finally find him later on.. they're like, "we thought you was a toad!" |
| 04:53:00 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 04:53:04 | jmhodges | oh gooood |
| 04:53:05 | jmhodges | :) |
| 04:53:16 | jmhodges | Keep on the sunny side! |
| 04:53:23 | jmhodges | Always on the sunny side! |
| 04:53:28 | jmhodges | and then the KKK meeting :) |
| 04:53:36 | kergoth | yup |
| 04:53:50 | jmhodges | sorry |
| 04:53:51 | kergoth | strange movie, some people dont like it.. but i love it |
| 04:53:58 | jmhodges | oh man i love it so much |
| 04:54:07 | jmhodges | kergoth: who didnt like it?! |
| 04:54:07 | kergoth | me too, i think its funny as hell |
| 04:54:13 | jmhodges | i have yet to meet someone who didnt |
| 04:54:25 | kergoth | jmhodges: few friends of mine. but they're odd in general |
| 04:54:28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:54:40 | jmhodges | i kept thinking 'why the hell didnt i hear more aobut this?' |
| 04:54:42 | jmhodges | heheh kergoth |
| 04:56:38 | jmhodges | when the kismet developer is talking about the Prism/2 engine being depreceated and how that chipset is bad.. should i be worried :) |
| 04:57:24 | kergoth | he's talking about the prism2 chipset being bad? |
| 04:57:29 | kergoth | that chipset is everywhere |
| 04:57:30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:58:08 | jmhodges | heh i konw! |
| 04:58:25 | jmhodges | all but 3 of the cards he lists as "known suppported" are Prism/2! |
| 04:58:43 | jmhodges | "Prism/2 is probably the most popular "consumer" 802.11b chipset. While adequate for most tasks, I've found prism/2 cards to be much lower power than higher-grade cards, and it's difficult to find one with external antenna access. Prism/2 licensees include Linksys, D-link, Zcomax, Zoom Air, and others. " |
| 05:00:55 | jmhodges | :( |
| 05:02:00 | warmi | is there a port scanner for the ZAurus ? |
| 05:03:24 | jmhodges | hm.. i think nmap is around somewhere |
| 05:04:34 | warmi | is there a gui for nmap ? |
| 05:05:39 | warmi | yeah, nmap kicks ass |
| 05:05:46 | warmi | I remember playing with it some time ago |
| 05:05:51 | jmhodges | yeah i thought i just saw one on killefiz |
| 05:06:01 | jmhodges | :/ cant remember what area though |
| 05:06:25 | jmhodges | nmap is powerful as hell but i have no idea how to really use it :) |
| 05:06:26 | warmi | I found JScan |
| 05:06:40 | warmi | java based scanner for the ZAurus |
| 05:07:09 | warmi | yeah nmap is powerfull |
| 05:07:33 | jmhodges | bleck java |
| 05:07:45 | jmhodges | wonders who is/was working on blackdown |
| 05:09:37 | jmhodges | hello vilmund |
| 05:10:10 | Fluxwin | WTF |
| 05:10:14 | Fluxwin | ergh |
| 05:11:21 | jmhodges | whats up Fluxwin? |
| 05:11:31 | Fluxwin | nada |
| 05:11:33 | Fluxwin | just venting |
| 05:11:43 | Fluxwin | trying to get this install started before sleep |
| 05:11:45 | Fluxwin | :P |
| 05:12:15 | vilmund | jmhodges howdy |
| 05:13:02 | jmhodges | ick .. what install Fluxwin? |
| 05:13:08 | Fluxwin | gentoo |
| 05:13:15 | Fluxwin | my scsi disks were cooked |
| 05:13:22 | Fluxwin | and I have to burn a new cd |
| 05:13:24 | Fluxwin | :P |
| 05:13:29 | Fluxwin | time consuming need sleep |
| 05:13:46 | Fluxwin | but the install needs to compile and compile and compile, so I wanna do it now |
| 05:14:05 | jmhodges | dude Fluxwin, lunar linux |
| 05:14:13 | jmhodges | its so much more intelligetn |
| 05:14:18 | Fluxwin | lunar? |
| 05:14:23 | jmhodges | the dependencies are awesome :) |
| 05:14:28 | jmhodges | Fluxwin: yes ;) |
| 05:14:34 | jmhodges | lunar-linux.org |
| 05:14:36 | Fluxwin | point me and I'll look |
| 05:14:47 | jmhodges | also on distrowatch.com |
| 05:14:54 | jmhodges | hey XavierXeon|away |
| 05:14:56 | jmhodges | uh.. |
| 05:14:56 | jmhodges | :) |
| 05:15:09 | Titan818 | how do you do custom backgrounds for Z? |
| 05:15:10 | jmhodges | interesting way to come into a chat .. already away that is |
| 05:15:12 | XavierXeon|away | im still here (kind of) |
| 05:15:51 | XavierXeon | i think i should change my nick before entering :) |
| 05:15:54 | warmi | Titan818: you can't really .. not in this version |
| 05:16:19 | W|GG-Laptop | is craving some peanut butter and jelly sammiches |
| 05:16:19 | jmhodges | hehe XavierXeon |
| 05:16:25 | W|GG-Laptop | and a tall glass of ice cold milk |
| 05:16:31 | jmhodges | mm.damn that sounds good W|GG |
| 05:16:46 | jmhodges | goes off to make a pnut butter and jam sandwiches |
| 05:16:55 | W|GG-Laptop | lol |
| 05:16:58 | W|GG-Laptop | ditto |
| 05:17:00 | W|GG-Laptop | bbiab |
| 05:17:00 | Titan818 | aww i thought I saw someone have a different bcd in a desktop screenshot |
| 05:17:02 | jmhodges | (jelly sucks.. no chunks :) |
| 05:18:01 | warmi | Titan818: it must have been OPIE screenshot |
| 05:18:07 | | it has been said that opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info can be found at http://opie.handhelds.org or in the #opie channel. or at http://www.opie.info or at http://www.opie.us or most important at http://www.opie.info |
| 05:18:07 | warmi | ibot opie |
| 05:18:12 | kergoth | re |
| 05:18:45 | XavierXeon | Titan818: with qtopia you can only change the splash screen |
| 05:19:07 | jmhodges | wb kergoth |
| 05:19:09 | jmhodges | movie over? |
| 05:19:18 | kergoth | nah |
| 05:19:20 | kergoth | they thought he was a toad |
| 05:19:29 | kergoth | still watchin |
| 05:20:26 | Titan818 | xavier: dunno term "splash screen" |
| 05:20:28 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 05:22:02 | XavierXeon | Titan818: the screen which says "Zaurus please wait" |
| 05:22:36 | Titan818 | oh really... is that a file somewhere or how do you modify it |
| 05:23:03 | XavierXeon | http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon section tools i think |
| 05:23:42 | Titan818 | thanks |
| 05:24:33 | XavierXeon | why has ibot a "most important" link to a german web site ? |
| 05:25:17 | XavierXeon | not many people here will be able to read it |
| 05:30:43 | XavierXeon | is having breakfast now |
| 05:33:56 | W|GG-Laptop | damn...those sammiches and milk were good! |
| 05:34:29 | warmi | W|GG-Laptop: yeah .. I am going to get something to eat now, thanks to you |
| 05:34:39 | W|GG-Laptop | lol |
| 05:35:38 | jmhodges | i brought the ingredients back here |
| 05:35:53 | jmhodges | thankful i did im moving to my second one |
| 05:38:18 | W|GG-Laptop | libranet's being anal |
| 05:38:42 | kergoth | hmm |
| 05:40:02 | jmhodges | http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/335.html |
| 05:40:11 | NeoTron | notes that RocketElite at least runs on the Zaurus already. |
| 05:40:18 | NeoTron | no sound, nor networking yet however |
| 05:41:19 | warmi | NeoTron: you must be dealing with well written apps to be able to convert this stuff so quickly |
| 05:42:18 | NeoTron | uh |
| 05:42:18 | NeoTron | no |
| 05:42:25 | NeoTron | not in the case of RocketElite |
| 05:42:36 | NeoTron | the game is one goddam 700 KB file for crying out lout |
| 05:42:39 | NeoTron | 25000 lines |
| 05:42:42 | NeoTron | :) |
| 05:43:06 | NeoTron | I just have "a lot" of experience with this in general and the games tend to use similar methodoligy |
| 05:43:26 | NeoTron | to be honest, much of RocketElite was the basis for the engine used in Bust'em |
| 05:44:36 | warmi | well 700 Kb src file might be bad |
| 05:44:44 | warmi | but it doesn't say anything about the code itself |
| 05:45:01 | warmi | does it have a lot of Win32 APIs ? |
| 05:45:11 | warmi | are these API calls isolated or all over the code |
| 05:45:15 | warmi | things like that |
| 05:45:20 | XavierXeon | NeoTron: i work with a guy who is proud to do gui programming in C. He has only one file for his program which contains 20000 lines of code. |
| 05:45:54 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 05:45:56 | jmhodges | ROFL |
| 05:45:56 | XavierXeon | did i mention that this guy is a complete idiot ? |
| 05:45:57 | jmhodges | omg! |
| 05:46:09 | warmi | hehe |
| 05:47:33 | warmi | porting from Qt to something else would be a bitch |
| 05:47:47 | warmi | Qt is almost like its own framework with everything , collection classes etc |
| 05:48:01 | warmi | people tend to use this stuff a lot all over |
| 05:48:06 | jmhodges | im beginning to think that pb&j sandwich plus keyboard was not the best i dea |
| 05:48:33 | jmhodges | warmi: ive heard only one probelm with Qt .. no delete when a widget is done (that is what they call them in qt right?) |
| 05:49:13 | warmi | jmhodges: well, you don't need to delete widgets yourself since it will be handled by the parent |
| 05:49:20 | XavierXeon | jmhodges: you can delete a widget pointer if you want to. |
| 05:49:22 | warmi | but it is not really a problem |
| 05:49:51 | warmi | it migth be a bit confusing for people who are learning qt but it is quite usefull |
| 05:49:52 | jmhodges | the columnist was just upset because it was bad programming practice |
| 05:49:52 | jmhodges | shrugs |
| 05:49:57 | jmhodges | i could care less really |
| 05:50:00 | warmi | I read that one |
| 05:50:01 | warmi | hehe |
| 05:50:07 | warmi | know what are you talking about |
| 05:50:12 | jmhodges | Dr. Dobbs |
| 05:50:16 | jmhodges | thats where i got it |
| 05:50:24 | jmhodges | randomly found one at an internship one day :) |
| 05:50:48 | warmi | this columnist would probably hate Java big time .. since, with Java, there is no need to delete anything :-) |
| 05:51:10 | jmhodges | :) |
| 05:51:37 | jmhodges | ok so i guess i should learn it |
| 05:51:39 | XavierXeon | i always find it difficult not to use pointers |
| 05:51:46 | jmhodges | even though im questioning trolltechs rep .. |
| 05:51:53 | warmi | XavierXeon: me too |
| 05:51:54 | jmhodges | pointers? |
| 05:52:05 | warmi | I grew up with ASM and C and I am confortable with pointers |
| 05:52:06 | jmhodges | wants to clarify his knowledge.. |
| 05:52:11 | jmhodges | oooh! |
| 05:52:15 | jmhodges | the same kind of pointers |
| 05:52:16 | jmhodges | ok |
| 05:52:16 | jmhodges | :) |
| 05:52:22 | jmhodges | pointers scare the hell outta me |
| 05:52:24 | warmi | on the other hand references and shared classes are sometimes a bit confusing |
| 05:52:27 | jmhodges | :{ |
| 05:52:33 | XavierXeon | pointers point to a certain area in memory |
| 05:53:29 | jmhodges | yeah |
| 05:53:38 | jmhodges | i know |
| 05:53:38 | jmhodges | yeesh |
| 05:53:38 | jmhodges | i thought it had special meaning in qt |
| 05:53:40 | jmhodges | :) |
| 05:53:41 | jmhodges | sorry |
| 05:53:52 | warmi | no |
| 05:54:07 | warmi | jmhodges: are familiar with CPU, how it works internally ? |
| 05:54:17 | jmhodges | think so |
| 05:54:23 | jmhodges | :) |
| 05:54:31 | warmi | you know what CPU registers are ? |
| 05:54:56 | kergoth | hm i wonder what i did with my old x86 ASM book from the class i had |
| 05:55:13 | NeoTron | XavierXeon: what's his excuse? :) |
| 05:55:30 | warmi | kergoth: the same you thing you did with your old Cobol book |
| 05:55:34 | warmi | from the class you had |
| 05:55:34 | XavierXeon | NeoTron: the 20000 line guy ? |
| 05:55:35 | NeoTron | warmi: and in general, not a whole lot of Win32 stuff - it uses GAPI and it's own gfx engine still |
| 05:55:36 | warmi | hehe |
| 05:55:39 | NeoTron | XavierXeon: right |
| 05:55:42 | jmhodges | oops |
| 05:55:43 | jmhodges | sorry |
| 05:55:45 | jmhodges | yes i do warmi |
| 05:55:51 | kergoth | warmi: hehe. i always keep my textbooks :-) |
| 05:55:52 | jmhodges | got distracted there |
| 05:56:10 | jmhodges | little bits of data in procs for remembering values befoer and after calculations |
| 05:56:13 | jmhodges | roight warmi? |
| 05:56:24 | jmhodges | well.. |
| 05:56:26 | jmhodges | not data |
| 05:56:32 | jmhodges | i mean |
| 05:56:33 | jmhodges | shit |
| 05:56:37 | warmi | jmhodges: yeah .. that is the role equivlent to standard C variable |
| 05:56:44 | XavierXeon | NeoTron: he thinks it is nice not to have many files and even though he has a master in computer sience he has no understanding of object oriented programming |
| 05:56:49 | warmi | another one is equivlent to C pointer |
| 05:56:59 | warmi | they can point into specific RAM adress |
| 05:57:00 | jmhodges | right |
| 05:57:15 | warmi | say reg AX points to adress 18000 |
| 05:57:22 | jmhodges | took c++ long enough for this he thinks |
| 05:57:28 | jmhodges | i know |
| 05:57:36 | warmi | you can do AX+1 and it will point to .. yeah, 18001 :-) |
| 05:57:42 | jmhodges | i was just wondering if qt had any other meaning to it.. |
| 05:57:43 | warmi | this is exactly like with pointers .. pointer arithmetic |
| 05:57:46 | jmhodges | ok cool warmi :) |
| 05:58:02 | jmhodges | thanks |
| 05:58:19 | warmi | actually C is smarter than that |
| 05:58:44 | warmi | C know what kind of pointer it is .. if it is int ( 4 bytes) it wil increase the pointer by 4 |
| 05:58:50 | kergoth | man, just tell him to go buy k&r and shut up |
| 05:58:52 | kergoth | :-P |
| 05:58:54 | warmi | in asm you would have to do +4 yourself |
| 05:58:59 | warmi | hehehee |
| 05:59:26 | warmi | kergoth: yeah .. I know , I am no teacher :-) |
| 05:59:26 | kergoth | speaking of which |
| 05:59:27 | jmhodges | yow |
| 05:59:30 | kergoth | I LOST my copy of k&r |
| 05:59:32 | kergoth | !! |
| 05:59:38 | warmi | k&r is reather tense |
| 05:59:41 | warmi | rather even |
| 05:59:43 | jmhodges | dense? |
| 05:59:45 | kergoth | its.. concise |
| 05:59:45 | jmhodges | tense? |
| 05:59:48 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 05:59:50 | warmi | dense |
| 05:59:52 | warmi | yeah , whatever |
| 05:59:53 | warmi | hehe |
| 05:59:54 | kergoth | but it has all the info ya need to learn C |
| 06:00:05 | warmi | kergoth: so does Intel ASM manual regarding ASm |
| 06:00:05 | jmhodges | is avoiding asm entirely by majoring in physics ;) |
| 06:00:07 | warmi | heehe |
| 06:00:09 | kergoth | warmi: hehe |
| 06:00:33 | XavierXeon | jmhodges: welcome to the physics club :) |
| 06:00:35 | kergoth | warmi: I still need to pick up the arm asm arch manual |
| 06:00:36 | warmi | jmhodges: yeah .. physics is cool .. all the math actually tends to serve some purpose |
| 06:00:40 | kergoth | s/asm//g; |
| 06:00:43 | jmhodges | XavierXeon: sweet |
| 06:00:47 | jmhodges | heheh warmi |
| 06:01:14 | jmhodges | XavierXeon: whats your specialty ?\ |
| 06:01:19 | jmhodges | er.. preferred area? |
| 06:01:23 | jmhodges | warmi: i love it |
| 06:01:40 | warmi | jmhodges: you love math ? or physics ? |
| 06:02:01 | jmhodges | course... i want to work in quantum computing.. so i maybe working on the next gen of asm :P |
| 06:02:32 | jmhodges | warmi: physics. and math.. the math first then i foudn physics.. i was always bothered by "non-reality based" math .. or something |
| 06:02:33 | XavierXeon | i have a master in theoretical physics and a bachelor in chemistry and am currently doing my phd in engineering. so ... i am not specialised at all |
| 06:02:34 | jmhodges | im tired.. |
| 06:02:42 | jmhodges | XavierXeon: damn dude! |
| 06:02:49 | warmi | XavierXeon: holly crap |
| 06:03:04 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:03:08 | warmi | busy man |
| 06:03:11 | jmhodges | decide chemistry was just too small of a range in 10's for you? |
| 06:03:28 | XavierXeon | chemistry was boring so i started maths |
| 06:03:32 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 06:03:37 | jmhodges | i hated chemistry |
| 06:03:48 | warmi | can you do phd in engineering without any degree in it ? |
| 06:03:51 | XavierXeon | maths was even more boring so i switched to physics |
| 06:03:54 | warmi | I am not familiar with US system |
| 06:04:01 | jmhodges | lol XavierXeon |
| 06:04:06 | XavierXeon | warmi: i am in germany |
| 06:04:10 | jmhodges | warmi: with Physics you can do anything |
| 06:04:11 | jmhodges | :) |
| 06:04:21 | warmi | yeah but still |
| 06:04:33 | jmhodges | joke.. |
| 06:04:44 | warmi | no .. actually you can |
| 06:04:47 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:05:07 | XavierXeon | you get awarded with a phd here if you do something "important" in the field |
| 06:05:17 | warmi | XavierXeon: in Germany, it is 5 years to get a bachelor ? |
| 06:05:28 | jmhodges | dissertation XavierXeon? |
| 06:05:30 | warmi | XavierXeon: I know that .. but it is more like a honorary Phd |
| 06:05:59 | XavierXeon | warmi: i studied in the uk. 4 years for a master, 3 for bachelor |
| 06:06:06 | warmi | ah in UK |
| 06:06:23 | jmhodges | 3 for bach 4 for master? |
| 06:06:25 | jmhodges | interesting |
| 06:06:32 | warmi | so what the hell are you doing on #zaurus ? |
| 06:06:33 | warmi | lol |
| 06:06:37 | jmhodges | hopes to be done in 4 for his bach |
| 06:06:40 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 06:06:46 | XavierXeon | jmhodges: physical dynamic simulation in projective virtual reality |
| 06:06:47 | jmhodges | i was just thinking that |
| 06:07:06 | jmhodges | XavierXeon: whoa :) |
| 06:08:18 | warmi | man it is 2 am |
| 06:08:21 | jmhodges | dammit.. |
| 06:08:25 | jmhodges | i hate being on dialu |
| 06:08:32 | jmhodges | warmi: same here.. |
| 06:08:37 | XavierXeon | http://www.irf.uni-dortmund.de/mrs_grp/welcome_eng.htm |
| 06:09:01 | XavierXeon | a picture of my lab :) |
| 06:09:37 | warmi | man .. I first I thought there was a dude standing there with a lightsaber |
| 06:09:39 | warmi | huh |
| 06:09:41 | jmhodges | hm... |
| 06:09:45 | jmhodges | crashing galeon is not fun |
| 06:10:27 | kergoth | stupid motherfuckers |
| 06:10:28 | jmhodges | cool XavierXeon |
| 06:10:32 | kergoth | shoots att broadband |
| 06:10:32 | jmhodges | ACK |
| 06:10:36 | jmhodges | jeez kergoth |
| 06:10:40 | jmhodges | Oh |
| 06:10:45 | jmhodges | ;P |
| 06:10:52 | jmhodges | kergoth: whats ahppening? |
| 06:10:57 | kergoth | my ssh session drops literally about once every 20-30 minutes or so, then comes back a minute later |
| 06:11:09 | kergoth | makes continuous coding without losing my train of thought difficult |
| 06:11:11 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:11:25 | warmi | kergoth: you still coding over the wire ? |
| 06:11:28 | jmhodges | suck |
| 06:11:29 | kergoth | i should call and ruin some customer service rep's night |
| 06:11:33 | jmhodges | kergoth: where from and where to ? |
| 06:11:41 | kergoth | warmi: yeah, laptop hasnt arrived yet, and when it does i'm sending it back anyway |
| 06:12:03 | kergoth | jmhodges: from here into work's firewall. same state |
| 06:12:06 | warmi | why? what did I miss ? |
| 06:12:07 | jmhodges | hehe kergoth |
| 06:12:18 | warmi | why are you sending it back ? |
| 06:12:52 | jmhodges | kergoth: ick |
| 06:12:57 | warmi | XavierXeon: sometimes I wish I went into research back when I was in college ... |
| 06:13:02 | warmi | now it is too late |
| 06:13:03 | jmhodges | i was just wondering if you were at work or something |
| 06:13:15 | jmhodges | never too late for edumacation |
| 06:13:16 | warmi | but that's ok ... coding for Zaurus is just as much fun :-) |
| 06:13:26 | jmhodges | mom got her phd little over ayear ago |
| 06:13:28 | jmhodges | warmi: hehe |
| 06:13:34 | XavierXeon | likes coding |
| 06:13:50 | warmi | jmhodges: nah .. last time I used math beyond simple trig was like 8 years ago |
| 06:13:54 | kergoth | oi it did it again |
| 06:13:58 | kergoth | grr! |
| 06:14:02 | warmi | since then I never had a job that would require anything more |
| 06:14:11 | kergoth | warmi: I found out I could upgrade the screen to a UXGA (1600x1200) for $20 more!@# |
| 06:14:13 | kergoth | $20! |
| 06:14:26 | warmi | kergoth: that is a great reason to send it back |
| 06:14:26 | warmi | hehee |
| 06:14:32 | warmi | jmhodges: I am 32 |
| 06:14:38 | kergoth | i thought so, i'm getting the better screen :-) |
| 06:14:42 | kergoth | but now i have to wait longer |
| 06:14:44 | jmhodges | ya know what would be cool? working on an Open source mathematica/maple app |
| 06:14:45 | kergoth | which is annoying as hell |
| 06:14:54 | warmi | XavierXeon: do you do any coding in you research ? |
| 06:14:55 | jmhodges | warmi: my mom was 38 when she went back |
| 06:14:57 | kergoth | I miss learning more shit |
| 06:15:00 | kergoth | I should go back to college |
| 06:15:02 | jmhodges | warmi: that was to just get a masters |
| 06:15:19 | XavierXeon | warmi: sure its a extension library to our main program |
| 06:15:43 | warmi | jmhodges: the thing is that CS ( or rather programming field and general computing) is expanding and changing so fast that it takes a lot of time just to keep up with that |
| 06:15:51 | warmi | let alone learning some new stuff |
| 06:15:56 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 06:16:14 | kergoth | i spend enough time just monitoring all the various mailing lists, sites, etc |
| 06:16:19 | jmhodges | i had a couple of people dissuade me from a cs major for that exact reason :( |
| 06:16:28 | jmhodges | so find something else you enjoy |
| 06:16:42 | kergoth | jmhodges: freshman year eh? |
| 06:16:47 | jmhodges | maybe something reaaaal specific .. that you can exploit into a masters or phd |
| 06:16:48 | XavierXeon | the oldest student in my physics class was 65 ! |
| 06:16:51 | jmhodges | kergoth: yep.. |
| 06:17:08 | jmhodges | oh of course! my mom had tons of older people in her classes |
| 06:17:08 | warmi | kergoth: how old are you ? |
| 06:17:33 | jmhodges | some edus give free classes to older people ( 60 + i think) |
| 06:17:37 | warmi | jmhodges: yeah... but after 30 when you get married people tend to get lazy |
| 06:17:46 | jmhodges | hehe my mom did |
| 06:17:49 | jmhodges | :( |
| 06:17:50 | jmhodges | well no |
| 06:18:00 | warmi | I don't really feel like going back to school etc ... |
| 06:18:01 | jmhodges | she just go t busy |
| 06:18:04 | jmhodges | i think thats what you mean |
| 06:18:12 | warmi | actually my wife is in process of getting her BS in CS |
| 06:18:30 | jmhodges | well wait until the kids are older and do it .. get soem more education .. its never too late |
| 06:18:31 | warmi | but only because I am working my butt off |
| 06:18:31 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:18:32 | NeoTron | this is so depressing |
| 06:18:37 | jmhodges | :) warmi |
| 06:18:40 | jmhodges | why NeoTron? |
| 06:18:51 | NeoTron | I have to limit RocketElite to like 25 fps to make it usable with the fucking Zaurus touchscreen driver |
| 06:19:00 | jmhodges | oh |
| 06:19:22 | jmhodges | warmi: dammit ill be your personal cheerleader if you ever decide to do it :) |
| 06:19:23 | warmi | shitty stylus (pointer) calibration issues ? |
| 06:19:48 | warmi | jmhodges: do what ? I was thinking about going back and getting masters in Math |
| 06:19:52 | jmhodges | my mom's education has changed my fam's life for oooh sooo much better |
| 06:19:57 | jmhodges | warmi: do it! |
| 06:20:02 | jmhodges | warmi: do whatever! |
| 06:20:02 | warmi | but then I looked over at my old books and .. fuck man |
| 06:20:11 | warmi | I don't want to go thru this again :-) |
| 06:20:12 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:20:15 | jmhodges | lol |
| 06:20:26 | jmhodges | just dont regret not going back :) |
| 06:20:37 | kergoth | is going to call and ruin some AT&T customer service rep's night |
| 06:20:42 | warmi | jmhodges: I do have equivlent of masters in CS |
| 06:20:43 | jmhodges | heheh kergoth |
| 06:20:44 | jmhodges | do it |
| 06:20:48 | XavierXeon | warmi: you are born to do maths. either you can do it or you should forget it |
| 06:20:50 | jmhodges | warmi: you do? |
| 06:20:51 | kergoth | i miss theoretical physics |
| 06:21:01 | warmi | it is not like have high school dimploma |
| 06:21:02 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:21:18 | jmhodges | is reading books hell be reading in his first physics class already.. hes so exited.. |
| 06:21:25 | jmhodges | warmi: hehe i know :P |
| 06:21:36 | kergoth | i definately need to go back to college |
| 06:21:39 | jmhodges | my mom had a bs and she sitll feltthat need you know? |
| 06:21:41 | jmhodges | kergoth: go for it |
| 06:21:42 | warmi | XavierXeon: I had no problem doing math when I was in college .. but I can;t say I ever enjoyed it all that much |
| 06:21:46 | kergoth | anyone have any recommendations for college's in the US for EE? |
| 06:21:55 | jmhodges | Purdue? |
| 06:22:10 | jmhodges | purdue is like the eng school in the US :) |
| 06:22:12 | XavierXeon | jmhodges: wait until you get to tensor analysis and riemann geometry :) |
| 06:23:09 | jmhodges | XavierXeon: hehe im hoping i can force myslef through linear algebra (i hated matrices the first time around.. i mean wtf? what was this about? and know i have a hint from ap phys.. but i sitll wonder sometimse) |
| 06:23:51 | warmi | jmhodges: that's peanuts man .. but uh .. I better shut up |
| 06:24:02 | jmhodges | warmi: why? |
| 06:24:02 | jmhodges | :) |
| 06:24:18 | warmi | I pledge to this channel to port GTK app to the ZAurus .. one app every week |
| 06:24:19 | warmi | :-) |
| 06:24:19 | XavierXeon | linear algebra is basic stuff. you need far more abstract maths for relativity and quantum mechanics |
| 06:24:21 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:24:36 | warmi | jmhodges: linear stuff is very easy to grasp |
| 06:25:17 | jmhodges | warmi hehe on the gtk.. that would be cool |
| 06:25:19 | jmhodges | warmi: good |
| 06:25:19 | jmhodges | :) |
| 06:25:36 | jmhodges | maybe i should have taken that instead of |
| 06:25:41 | warmi | heh |
| 06:25:44 | jmhodges | shit nevermind no i shouldnt have |
| 06:25:50 | jmhodges | :/ |
| 06:25:53 | warmi | jmhodges: do you enjoy math ? |
| 06:25:56 | jmhodges | yep! |
| 06:26:07 | jmhodges | i was going to say AP calc bc |
| 06:26:14 | jmhodges | :P |
| 06:26:17 | warmi | ok |
| 06:26:26 | jmhodges | hehe yeah |
| 06:26:35 | jmhodges | but thats not the hard part in physics (or so i hear ;) |
| 06:26:57 | warmi | no .math is just a tool |
| 06:26:58 | jmhodges | XavierXeon: can you back me up on that one? |
| 06:27:03 | jmhodges | warmi: :D |
| 06:27:16 | XavierXeon | jmhodges: back you up ? |
| 06:27:17 | jmhodges | my math friend would kill you (hes a fucking genius) |
| 06:27:30 | jmhodges | XavierXeon: er.. on the math is not the hard part.. didnt need it though |
| 06:27:41 | jmhodges | usually i do when i talk about it.. |
| 06:27:53 | jmhodges | warmi is enlightened already though :) |
| 06:28:12 | jmhodges | anyway, i said that to him once and he wanted to stangle me! |
| 06:28:13 | warmi | hheh |
| 06:28:34 | jmhodges | i mean he started shaking a little bit! |
| 06:28:37 | jmhodges | jesus.. |
| 06:28:43 | XavierXeon | linear algebra is not the hard part ! afterwards you will be doing vector anylysis |
| 06:29:05 | jmhodges | i think i know what you are talking about but go on XavierXeon |
| 06:29:08 | W|GGL|T | pos irrsi |
| 06:29:14 | W|GGL|T | or irssi |
| 06:29:17 | XavierXeon | and after that comes tensor analysis, and than non-euclidian geometry |
| 06:29:23 | warmi | jmhodges: well, it might not be a tool for mathematicians (it is their world , "another world" if you get the drift) but it is for everyone else |
| 06:29:25 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:29:37 | XavierXeon | it just gets more and more abstract |
| 06:29:50 | jmhodges | non-euclidian geometyr? yuck .. ive heard that but what does it entail? |
| 06:29:52 | jmhodges | warmi: lol |
| 06:30:02 | warmi | XavierXeon: and that is where real man are separated from the wannabes |
| 06:30:04 | warmi | heehe |
| 06:30:11 | warmi | :-) |
| 06:30:12 | XavierXeon | exactly :) |
| 06:30:14 | jmhodges | lol |
| 06:30:21 | kergoth | at&t |
| 06:30:21 | kergoth | must |
| 06:30:23 | kergoth | die |
| 06:30:29 | kergoth | but boy i feel a lot better |
| 06:30:37 | kergoth | having a hanging heavy bag in the garage is convenient |
| 06:30:41 | jmhodges | LOL kergoth |
| 06:31:08 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:31:28 | warmi | either that or a quick session of Return to Castle Wolfenstein |
| 06:31:30 | W|GGL|T | night all |
| 06:31:31 | W|GGL|T | is away: nite all |
| 06:31:34 | jmhodges | night W|GGL|T |
| 06:31:37 | warmi | night W|GGL|T |
| 06:31:37 | jmhodges | heheh warmi |
| 06:31:39 | XavierXeon | jmhodges: in a euclidian space there are 3 dimensions which are perpendicular to each other. in riemann goemetry there are an unlimeted number of dimensions which you can not simply descibe as beeing perpendicular. |
| 06:31:50 | jmhodges | ah |
| 06:31:57 | jmhodges | cause that has no meaning beyond the 3rd |
| 06:31:59 | jmhodges | right |
| 06:32:02 | XavierXeon | yes |
| 06:32:02 | jmhodges | ? |
| 06:32:12 | jmhodges | wipes the sweat off his brow |
| 06:32:58 | jmhodges | ive heard a lot about 'folded in" and "curled" but i just take that has.. well.. having no meaning |
| 06:33:18 | XavierXeon | if you get past the point where you have to draw a picture you are done |
| 06:33:21 | kergoth | woo adrenaline. caffeine is such a poor substitute |
| 06:33:38 | jmhodges | LOL XavierXeon |
| 06:33:44 | jmhodges | kergoth: lol |
| 06:33:54 | XavierXeon | that wasn't a joke. |
| 06:33:56 | jmhodges | XavierXeon: im guessing you mean a freebody ? |
| 06:34:01 | jmhodges | i know :) |
| 06:34:01 | kergoth | mine wasnt either |
| 06:34:03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 06:34:06 | jmhodges | LOL to both |
| 06:34:26 | kergoth | seriously.. getting tired, want to continue to code.. screw coffee, do some chinups |
| 06:34:51 | jmhodges | hmm.. yeah |
| 06:34:55 | kergoth | try it sometime |
| 06:34:59 | kergoth | :-) |
| 06:35:02 | jmhodges | the next time i install a chinup bar in my room ill remember that |
| 06:35:02 | kergoth | wtf is this |
| 06:35:03 | jmhodges | :P |
| 06:35:04 | warmi | kergoth: you need to do some user level stuff .. playing with some widgets, pixmaps etc .. something to lighten you up a bit |
| 06:35:10 | jmhodges | heh |
| 06:35:17 | kergoth | jmhodges: I installed a chinup bar in the doorway of my den |
| 06:35:25 | kergoth | jmhodges: convenient to do some on the way to grab a soda or what have you |
| 06:35:26 | jmhodges | XavierXeon: so what do you enjoy most about theor phys? |
| 06:35:31 | kergoth | kergoth@oemx:~/coding/projects/kernel/tmp/linux-arm-2.5-collie$ bk -r edit -q |
| 06:35:31 | kergoth | get: can't plock drivers/misc/p |
| 06:35:31 | jmhodges | kergoth: lol |
| 06:35:32 | kergoth | get: can't plock drivers/video/sa1100fb.c |
| 06:35:34 | kergoth | wtf is that |
| 06:35:50 | warmi | hehehe |
| 06:36:14 | warmi | "plocking problems" < this is what you get for playing with such low level stuff |
| 06:36:19 | kergoth | warmi: well, when the 2.5.x. kernel is ready for beta testing i'll take a break and do some qt/e coding |
| 06:36:20 | kergoth | :-) |
| 06:36:22 | XavierXeon | jmhodges: it is abstract ! it just takes your mind somewhere else. maybe its just some sort of escape mechanism for me :) |
| 06:36:23 | jmhodges | heheh |
| 06:36:32 | jmhodges | XavierXeon: :D |
| 06:36:39 | jmhodges | just got a big shit-eating grin on his face |
| 06:36:46 | jmhodges | I AM SO IN THE RIGHT FIELD |
| 06:36:57 | jmhodges | if im not WELL DAMMIT ILL EAT A SHOE |
| 06:36:57 | kergoth | heh, i could never decide on a field |
| 06:36:58 | warmi | XavierXeon: so is coding .. it uis purely imaginary , abstract thing |
| 06:37:10 | warmi | that's why I prefer software to hardware any time |
| 06:37:13 | sig | sup fellas |
| 06:37:17 | sig | whats up warmi |
| 06:37:22 | jmhodges | hey sig |
| 06:37:27 | sig | sup jmhodges |
| 06:37:33 | XavierXeon | warmi: that is why i like coding since i was 10 |
| 06:37:40 | jmhodges | warmi: starting a major war now are we? :) |
| 06:37:41 | warmi | I can destroy and build new stuff every 10 minutes without any repercussions |
| 06:37:45 | jmhodges | or trying? |
| 06:37:48 | warmi | jmhodges: heheeh |
| 06:37:55 | warmi | hello sig: how is it going |
| 06:38:07 | sig | half pissed |
| 06:38:26 | jmhodges | ? |
| 06:38:27 | warmi | half pissed at 3 am in the moring .. hmm |
| 06:38:28 | warmi | not good |
| 06:38:30 | sig | looking at my little z and am wondering if I should mess with it |
| 06:38:42 | sig | warmi: yeah, I just got home..... (beer) |
| 06:38:49 | warmi | hehehe |
| 06:38:51 | kergoth | i'm out of alcohol |
| 06:38:51 | jmhodges | hehee |
| 06:38:52 | kergoth | and soda |
| 06:38:54 | jmhodges | do it! |
| 06:38:56 | warmi | you should be happy then |
| 06:39:05 | warmi | sad part comes in the morning |
| 06:39:06 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:39:07 | sig | I'm good |
| 06:39:07 | XavierXeon | sig: make a backup first. messing with the z is always fun |
| 06:39:07 | jmhodges | when your buzzed is the best time to mess with software!@ |
| 06:39:10 | jmhodges | esp. coding! |
| 06:39:15 | jmhodges | but you need to be drunk! |
| 06:39:16 | sig | XavierXeon: heh |
| 06:39:20 | jmhodges | for coding |
| 06:39:24 | jmhodges | heheh XavierXeon |
| 06:39:28 | kergoth | bah, i dont code well drunk |
| 06:39:32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 06:39:40 | warmi | I can't code for shit when I am drunk |
| 06:39:44 | jmhodges | lol |
| 06:39:48 | sig | I have a funny ass mpg of some arab dude shooting a huge ass gun.... |
| 06:39:49 | sig | lol |
| 06:39:51 | sig | this is funny |
| 06:39:54 | jmhodges | things sarcasm is lost in text |
| 06:39:56 | warmi | my mind just keeps jumping all over the place |
| 06:40:01 | kergoth | I love coding when i've got an adrenaline or caffeine rush going on though. |
| 06:40:08 | kergoth | warmi: yeah i hate that |
| 06:40:11 | jmhodges | im grabbing the dancmokeyboy mpg i never watched |
| 06:40:12 | kergoth | warmi: hard to focus |
| 06:40:19 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 06:40:33 | warmi | jmhodges: I wasn't talking about being completely drunk |
| 06:40:39 | warmi | just coding after having 2-3 beers |
| 06:40:48 | jmhodges | jesus.. i just tried pot for the first time the other night.. and i still cant figure out why you would do that over and over gain? |
| 06:40:52 | jmhodges | warmi: :) |
| 06:40:56 | jmhodges | 2-3? :P |
| 06:41:03 | XavierXeon | jmhodges: the dancemonkey vid is frightining. if it were my boss i would look for another employer |
| 06:41:12 | jmhodges | lol |
| 06:41:27 | sig | shit you know how complex it is to work with a computer after 9 beers |
| 06:41:28 | sig | heh |
| 06:41:34 | warmi | jmhodges: well, I had no problem smoking for about 10 years .. |
| 06:41:34 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:41:39 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 06:41:42 | XavierXeon | me neither |
| 06:41:44 | warmi | not pot though .. just regular cigs |
| 06:41:45 | sig | dark beer |
| 06:41:48 | jmhodges | :) warmi |
| 06:41:54 | jmhodges | well i dont like beer either |
| 06:42:00 | jmhodges | :( |
| 06:42:07 | jmhodges | course they were both shitty bear |
| 06:42:11 | kergoth | beer sucks. |
| 06:42:12 | jmhodges | Long island ice tea |
| 06:42:15 | jmhodges | now that shit is good |
| 06:42:16 | warmi | but I quit last year after realizing I wasn't able to claim stairs very well anymore |
| 06:42:23 | kergoth | long islands are great, i need a good recipe |
| 06:42:26 | sig | warmi: heh |
| 06:42:28 | sig | that sucks |
| 06:42:48 | warmi | sig: no, seriously .. you get this "out of breath" feeling |
| 06:42:52 | sig | I like just plain jack and cokes, but I love dark beer |
| 06:42:56 | warmi | it has gotten much better over the last year |
| 06:43:02 | warmi | I am getting back in shape |
| 06:43:07 | sig | warmi: yeah, I used to smoke too |
| 06:43:14 | jmhodges | it was weird.. usually people get wiped out after the first. but i just got quiet :/ |
| 06:43:14 | sig | quit two years ago |
| 06:43:35 | warmi | sig: how many years of smoking ? |
| 06:43:38 | jmhodges | sig: jack? |
| 06:43:44 | sig | yeah |
| 06:43:50 | sig | jack daniels |
| 06:43:53 | sig | and coke |
| 06:43:56 | jmhodges | oooh duh |
| 06:43:58 | sig | or Dr. Pepper |
| 06:44:02 | sig | lol |
| 06:44:06 | kergoth | jack is good |
| 06:44:11 | sig | jmhodges: are you not of drinking age? |
| 06:44:11 | jmhodges | hm.. the next mixed i need to try is rum and coke i think |
| 06:44:12 | kergoth | tequila, vodka |
| 06:44:13 | sig | hehehe |
| 06:44:14 | kergoth | i like it all |
| 06:44:14 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:44:20 | jmhodges | uh.. |
| 06:44:24 | warmi | hehehe |
| 06:44:25 | jmhodges | hrmm.... |
| 06:44:27 | kergoth | except beer. beer sucks. |
| 06:44:30 | jmhodges | maybe? |
| 06:44:30 | sig | thinks kergoth is hardcore |
| 06:44:36 | warmi | hahaah |
| 06:44:39 | jmhodges | depends on where "here" is |
| 06:44:42 | jmhodges | kergoth: shit :) |
| 06:44:57 | sig | kergoth: your one of those dudes that is always walking around with a glass full of hard ass shit all the time huh |
| 06:44:58 | sig | hehe |
| 06:45:02 | kergoth | aha |
| 06:45:03 | kergoth | no |
| 06:45:04 | warmi | hehehe |
| 06:45:05 | jmhodges | lol |
| 06:45:09 | kergoth | I drink like once every few weeks |
| 06:45:16 | kergoth | and nothing to get me wasted. |
| 06:45:21 | kergoth | I dont get drunk often |
| 06:45:23 | sig | heh |
| 06:45:26 | jmhodges | :) cool |
| 06:45:32 | XavierXeon | does not like alcohol |
| 06:45:32 | jmhodges | i want to take up wine |
| 06:45:34 | kergoth | last time was when i was drinking half a big ass bottle of jack, on the rocks. no coke |
| 06:45:37 | sig | I just get to where I buzz real hard |
| 06:45:40 | sig | hehehe |
| 06:45:40 | kergoth | that fucked with my stomach |
| 06:45:43 | jmhodges | but my experience with that has been less than stellar |
| 06:45:45 | kergoth | sig: yeah |
| 06:45:46 | sig | I guess you could say that is drunk |
| 06:45:52 | jmhodges | warm bordeaux in france yuck |
| 06:46:16 | jmhodges | supposed to be good for you (once a day i believe) |
| 06:46:17 | warmi | wine is not an afficient way to get drunk |
| 06:46:24 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 06:46:26 | kergoth | wine tastes good though |
| 06:46:26 | warmi | I still have these "habits" from college years |
| 06:46:27 | warmi | heeh |
| 06:46:27 | sig | warmi: no shit, I hate wine |
| 06:46:36 | kergoth | i drink for taste, not to get drunk |
| 06:46:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:46:39 | jmhodges | lol warmi |
| 06:46:50 | sig | kergoth: yeah, thats why i drink dark beers, for the taste |
| 06:46:54 | warmi | hard shit like vodka always had the best bang for the buck |
| 06:47:00 | kergoth | seriously if anyone finds a good recipe for a top shelf long island, let me know |
| 06:47:00 | jmhodges | sig: YOUR FUCKED UP |
| 06:47:04 | jmhodges | you do know that right? |
| 06:47:07 | kergoth | lol |
| 06:47:07 | sig | hah |
| 06:47:10 | jmhodges | beer for taste |
| 06:47:13 | jmhodges | thats just disgusting |
| 06:47:20 | sig | jmhodges: dark beers are good |
| 06:47:24 | sig | I love them |
| 06:47:41 | XavierXeon | i like beer, but i hate being drunk |
| 06:47:45 | jmhodges | oh right you get the good euro beers cheap |
| 06:47:45 | warmi | jmhodges: nah .. porters are good |
| 06:47:55 | warmi | 7% alkohol, very heavy beer |
| 06:47:55 | jmhodges | yea dancemonkeyboy is done |
| 06:47:57 | warmi | mhh |
| 06:48:02 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 06:48:08 | kergoth | oi i never have beer in my house |
| 06:48:11 | kergoth | people bring their own |
| 06:48:13 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:48:30 | XavierXeon | kergoth: good policy |
| 06:48:30 | kergoth | you guys been to http://idrink.com/? damn cool site |
| 06:48:33 | sig | kergoth: yeah, I don't let people touch my beer... |
| 06:48:41 | warmi | kergoth: not enough room for it among all these Stolichnaya bottles in your fridge ha ? |
| 06:48:47 | kergoth | warmi: aha |
| 06:48:50 | sig | http://www.drunksluts.com/ <-- that site is cool too |
| 06:48:51 | sig | lol |
| 06:48:57 | jmhodges | WTF IS THIS? |
| 06:49:01 | kergoth | warmi: I keep a lot of hard stuff onhand for mixing, i like to mix |
| 06:49:04 | jmhodges | ballmer is smoking crack |
| 06:49:21 | XavierXeon | jmhodges: i told you its frightening |
| 06:49:28 | jmhodges | lol sig |
| 06:49:33 | jmhodges | XavierXeon: i should have listend |
| 06:49:38 | sig | hah |
| 06:49:40 | jmhodges | and it was "get on your feet" in the background |
| 06:49:43 | jmhodges | omg.. |
| 06:49:48 | jmhodges | jesus.. gloria estefan |
| 06:49:49 | warmi | kergoth: my wife loves all kinds of exotic drinks |
| 06:49:51 | XavierXeon | jmhodges: did you see the "developer" vid of balmer |
| 06:49:56 | jmhodges | nope |
| 06:50:07 | warmi | sometimes she gets even someting right |
| 06:50:11 | kergoth | hah |
| 06:50:12 | warmi | and it does taste good |
| 06:50:15 | jmhodges | i read something about it on joy of tech but i dindt think there was a vid |
| 06:50:17 | kergoth | idrink.com man |
| 06:50:19 | jmhodges | lol warmi |
| 06:50:20 | kergoth | they rate the drinks |
| 06:50:22 | jmhodges | ok ok idrink! |
| 06:50:23 | jmhodges | :) |
| 06:50:23 | kergoth | dont mix the shit |
| 06:50:32 | XavierXeon | jmhodges: i look for the url |
| 06:50:48 | jmhodges | thanks XavierXeon! |
| 06:50:51 | kergoth | warmi: woot, found that damn plocking prob |
| 06:51:11 | warmi | like my 5th years older coleagues in College used to say .. donn't you fuckin mix vodka, wine and a cake , you gonna puke |
| 06:51:14 | warmi | or something like that |
| 06:51:22 | XavierXeon | http://www.ntk.net/ballmer/mirrors.html |
| 06:51:25 | kergoth | hah |
| 06:51:30 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 06:51:31 | kergoth | just dont mix lights & darks, and you're fine |
| 06:51:43 | kergoth | I've never puked from alcohol, thankfully |
| 06:51:52 | jmhodges | beer before liquor never been sicker |
| 06:52:02 | jmhodges | liquor before beer youre in the clear |
| 06:52:09 | jmhodges | has learned much from his mom |
| 06:52:10 | kergoth | hmm |
| 06:52:15 | kergoth | i need to download some monty python mp3s |
| 06:52:23 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 06:52:47 | drunk_Z | lol |
| 06:52:58 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:52:59 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 06:53:07 | jmhodges | oh this outghta be good |
| 06:53:10 | drunk_Z | wheni changed my nick fromt he z it changed this nick too |
| 06:53:12 | drunk_Z | hah |
| 06:53:28 | Guest | this is weird |
| 06:53:34 | jmhodges | cant wait to see sig try to hit C, D and Reset at the same time |
| 06:53:44 | warmi | nah ... I still remember my MSX computer getting all sticky after somebody poored champagne or soemthing liek that all over it during one of the parties |
| 06:53:47 | Guest | hah, I wouldn't do that |
| 06:53:48 | warmi | these things don't mix |
| 06:53:58 | sig | now why would i do that |
| 06:53:59 | sig | lol |
| 06:54:11 | sig | my ROM is updated already |
| 06:54:12 | sig | hehehe |
| 06:54:13 | XavierXeon | is contemplating to change his nick to TheGuyWithTheNickThatIsSoUnnecessaryLongThatNooneWillBeTalkingToHimAnymore |
| 06:54:26 | warmi | XavierXeon: hehehe |
| 06:54:31 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 06:54:40 | jmhodges | as long as the tab completion is easy |
| 06:54:41 | jmhodges | :) |
| 06:54:54 | kergoth | shit, this is pissing me off |
| 06:54:55 | XavierXeon | i love tab completion |
| 06:55:01 | warmi | anyone here familiar with old MSX computers ? |
| 06:55:02 | kergoth | I cant remember the author or name of a poem i want to find again |
| 06:55:04 | kergoth | argh! |
| 06:55:07 | kergoth | googles |
| 06:55:16 | jmhodges | :( |
| 06:55:22 | sig_Zaurus | see zic is a much better irc client for the z |
| 06:55:44 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 06:56:24 | warmi | well, it is 3 am now.. |
| 06:56:27 | sig_Zaurus | sorry to say this, but I am kind of disapointed in the tkc apps |
| 06:56:27 | kergoth | so? |
| 06:56:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:56:45 | warmi | time to go back to my Hannibal book and then get some sleep perhaps |
| 06:56:56 | warmi | kergoth: which irc client are you using ? |
| 06:56:56 | jmhodges | warmi: hehe |
| 06:56:58 | sig_Zaurus | heh, is that a good book? |
| 06:57:02 | jmhodges | i should go too |
| 06:57:06 | jmhodges | warmi: where are you? |
| 06:57:13 | sig_Zaurus | don't leave me here all alone |
| 06:57:23 | XavierXeon | jmhodges: dont forget http://www.ntk.net/ballmer/mirrors.html |
| 06:57:27 | warmi | Hanniball crossing they Alps .. I always liked history and military history in particular |
| 06:57:27 | jmhodges | kergoth will be here and XavierXeon too :) |
| 06:57:30 | jmhodges | XavierXeon: grabbing now :) |
| 06:57:33 | warmi | jmhodges: IL |
| 06:57:42 | jmhodges | XavierXeon: im waiting for it to go and then watch it :P |
| 06:57:46 | jmhodges | warmi: cool IN here |
| 06:57:59 | warmi | I know .. I remember that medieval dial-up dude from IN |
| 06:58:01 | warmi | heeh |
| 06:58:13 | jmhodges | lol |
| 06:58:19 | jmhodges | yes indeed |
| 06:58:35 | warmi | hopefully your dorm will have ethernet |
| 06:58:44 | jmhodges | YEP |
| 06:58:57 | warmi | you getting yourself laptop ? |
| 06:59:04 | jmhodges | i keep forgetting to look up the netwokr setup so im prepared there :) |
| 06:59:14 | jmhodges | warmi: nope.. thats what the z is for :D |
| 06:59:22 | warmi | uh .. ok |
| 06:59:23 | warmi | heh |
| 06:59:38 | jmhodges | i know |
| 06:59:45 | jmhodges | but i got it for free |
| 06:59:49 | jmhodges | and its just so .. neat |
| 06:59:53 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:59:55 | warmi | yeah, it is |
| 06:59:59 | jmhodges | i get sooo many women coming up to me when i whip it out |
| 07:00:06 | jmhodges | i love it |
| 07:00:09 | jmhodges | :D |
| 07:00:13 | warmi | heh |
| 07:00:27 | warmi | alright . it is time |
| 07:00:28 | jmhodges | its like when the iBooks first came out and all the apple geeks got swarmed |
| 07:00:33 | warmi | see you all later |
| 07:00:34 | jmhodges | no its not |
| 07:00:35 | warmi | g night |
| 07:00:37 | jmhodges | :) |
| 07:00:40 | jmhodges | gnight warmi |
| 07:00:42 | warmi | hell yeah it is |
| 07:00:43 | warmi | :-) |
| 07:00:44 | XavierXeon | night warmi |
| 07:00:44 | jmhodges | damn im tired |
| 07:00:49 | jmhodges | but i must see the devolopers vid |
| 07:02:51 | jmhodges | w.tf |
| 07:03:01 | jmhodges | ok im so going to have nightmares tonight |
| 07:03:14 | jmhodges | steve balmer is going to haunt my ethereal world |
| 07:03:16 | XavierXeon | jmhodges: its bad ! |
| 07:03:22 | jmhodges | oh so bad |
| 07:03:23 | kergoth | <jmhodges> i get sooo many women coming up to me when i whip it out |
| 07:03:25 | kergoth | now thats a quotable quote |
| 07:03:27 | kergoth | lol |
| 07:03:30 | jmhodges | kergoth: LOL |
| 07:03:45 | XavierXeon | i have developers on my answering machine :) |
| 07:03:53 | jmhodges | would actaully love to see that on geekissues .. ;) |
| 07:04:00 | jmhodges | XavierXeon: hahha! |
| 07:04:26 | XavierXeon | people who do not know me never leave a message ! |
| 07:04:47 | jmhodges | Lol |
| 07:05:14 | sig | damn |
| 07:05:22 | kergoth | woot i found the poem i wanted |
| 07:05:23 | sig | I love my little z (#4) |
| 07:05:29 | jmhodges | kergoth: post? |
| 07:05:29 | kergoth | and i didnt know either the author or the title |
| 07:05:31 | sig | kergoth: what poem? |
| 07:05:31 | jmhodges | sig: LOL |
| 07:05:33 | kergoth | i love google. |
| 07:05:36 | jmhodges | god thats so funny |
| 07:05:59 | kergoth | its one i heard a long time ago and can never remember the name |
| 07:06:01 | kergoth | http://www.mihaieminescu.ro/en/literary_work/poems/the_forest_pool.htm |
| 07:06:41 | XavierXeon | anyway, time to do some shopping. see you later. |
| 07:07:36 | sig | And hand-in-hand we leap aboard, |
| 07:07:36 | sig | Charmed by the water's tiny childe; |
| 07:07:36 | sig | The rudder strings slip from my grasp, |
| 07:07:36 | sig | The oars into the water slide. |
| 07:07:37 | sig | lol |
| 07:07:51 | jmhodges | kergoth: dammit first i watch evil steve doing evil dancing things that no mortal should see and now i get to read a depressing poem right before i go to bed?! im going to kill myself in my sleep |
| 07:08:43 | sig | damn |
| 07:08:46 | sig | lots of updates |
| 07:08:56 | sig | apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:09:06 | sig | Get:41 http://http.us.debian.org sid/main xchat 1.8.9-2 [180kB] |
| 07:09:10 | jmhodges | bah |
| 07:09:15 | sig | heh |
| 07:09:20 | jmhodges | lunar update |
| 07:09:37 | jmhodges | that is true power of the Force |
| 07:09:41 | sig | loves debian |
| 07:10:20 | jmhodges | has lunar linux.. it could eat debian for breakfast and be spitting out little .debs out of his ass by noon |
| 07:10:22 | jmhodges | :) |
| 07:10:43 | Nadav | lunar |
| 07:10:45 | Nadav | i installed that once |
| 07:10:50 | jmhodges | and? |
| 07:10:52 | Nadav | didn't get enough time to play with it |
| 07:10:54 | jmhodges | you didnt like it? |
| 07:10:59 | jmhodges | astonishing |
| 07:11:00 | Nadav | as i sold that computer the same day |
| 07:11:04 | jmhodges | Oh |
| 07:11:09 | jmhodges | well thats different |
| 07:11:09 | jmhodges | :( |
| 07:11:10 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 07:11:11 | Nadav | Nah, i liked it ;) |
| 07:11:12 | jmhodges | why? |
| 07:11:16 | jmhodges | sweet |
| 07:11:30 | sig | wtf is lunar |
| 07:11:31 | sig | lol |
| 07:11:34 | sig | never heard of it |
| 07:11:37 | jmhodges | im a dev guy on it *blushes* so im biased |
| 07:11:40 | jmhodges | lunar-linux.org |
| 07:11:49 | jmhodges | or look in distrowatch under the source heading |
| 07:11:57 | jmhodges | s/heading/link/ |
| 07:11:59 | jmhodges | ick |
| 07:12:15 | sig | jmhodges: what wm are you using? |
| 07:12:36 | jmhodges | xfce |
| 07:12:43 | jmhodges | but lunar is all about choices |
| 07:12:55 | sig | heh, thats what I use |
| 07:12:57 | sig | I love XFCE |
| 07:13:21 | jmhodges | so we have tons of wm's available in module form (a module is basically instructions for installing an app from its src except for some things like the flash plugin and the Nvidia drivers :( |
| 07:13:25 | jmhodges | sig: sweet |
| 07:13:36 | jmhodges | optimized for you architecture too |
| 07:13:37 | jmhodges | :) |
| 07:13:45 | sig | This is XFce 3.8.16, Build Sat Jun 1 01:38:45 CEST 2002 on node nubol. |
| 07:13:47 | jmhodges | so im on supa-fast xfce hehe |
| 07:14:05 | jmhodges | sig: the beat for sfce4 is.. waaaaaay too beta for use |
| 07:14:13 | jmhodges | we have a module for it but.. damn |
| 07:14:16 | jmhodges | its buggy as shit |
| 07:14:17 | sig | sfce4 |
| 07:14:21 | jmhodges | xfce4 :) |
| 07:14:22 | sig | heh, i won't use it |
| 07:14:28 | jmhodges | i cnat get it working right |
| 07:14:30 | jmhodges | :) |
| 07:14:32 | jmhodges | ah well |
| 07:14:53 | sig | let me see some sshots of xfce4 |
| 07:15:13 | jmhodges | from me? |
| 07:15:18 | jmhodges | you wont get any |
| 07:15:22 | sig | anywhere |
| 07:15:32 | sig | didn't know there was an xfce4 |
| 07:15:45 | jmhodges | sorry .. its not to great looking when the icons are all the default one and theres not preconfiguration of the toolbar at all |
| 07:15:51 | jmhodges | hehe sig |
| 07:15:56 | jmhodges | i dunno if there are many |
| 07:16:04 | jmhodges | check the usual place :) |
| 07:16:08 | sig | I am |
| 07:16:16 | sig | it is just all about xfce3 |
| 07:16:21 | jmhodges | bleck |
| 07:16:22 | sig | it is nice and stable |
| 07:16:23 | sig | fast too |
| 07:16:37 | jmhodges | i must have an in (one of the dev guys on lunar is also closely tied to xfce) |
| 07:16:43 | jmhodges | yes! indeed it is!@ |
| 07:16:45 | jmhodges | oh shit |
| 07:16:48 | jmhodges | i need ot go to bed |
| 07:16:52 | jmhodges | im so out of it |
| 07:16:55 | jmhodges | gnight all! |
| 07:16:55 | sig | yeah, i love xfce so much |
| 07:17:08 | sig | later |
| 07:17:17 | jmhodges | LOL xfce4 is in cvs i think |
| 07:17:24 | sig | ahh |
| 07:17:47 | sig | 3.8.16 is the latest stable |
| 07:17:50 | jmhodges | cause we have it on our site as a tarball.. that never happens.. ever.. and the version is 020711 |
| 07:17:54 | sig | I've been using it for a long timenow |
| 07:18:14 | sig | Current version is 3.8.16 (released April 18thnd, 2002 |
| 07:18:25 | jmhodges | yeah |
| 07:18:31 | jmhodges | ok gnight folks |
| 07:18:33 | Nadav | xfce does look sexy |
| 07:18:35 | sig | cya dude |
| 07:18:37 | Nadav | i never tried it |
| 07:18:41 | Nadav | cya jmhodges |
| 07:18:42 | jmhodges | http://lunar-linux.org/lunar/mirrors/ to give it a go |
| 07:18:45 | jmhodges | Nadav: try it out |
| 07:18:45 | sig | Nadav: you only try it once |
| 07:18:57 | jmhodges | is expanding peoples minds tonight.. |
| 07:18:58 | jmhodges | :) |
| 07:19:00 | sig | then you'll be hooked |
| 07:19:05 | jmhodges | yep |
| 07:19:07 | sig | I don't want tha lunar poo |
| 07:19:09 | sig | lol |
| 07:19:15 | Nadav | lol |
| 07:19:25 | jmhodges | stabs sig.. but gently so as not to hurt the xfce lover part of him |
| 07:19:34 | sig | haha |
| 07:19:46 | sig | Nadav: here are some XFCE sshots --> http://sig.ath.cx/screenshots/ |
| 07:19:54 | jmhodges | ok im gone .. really.. i mean it this time... im NOT KIDDING |
| 07:19:58 | jmhodges | ok really .. seriously |
| 07:19:59 | jmhodges | bye |
| 07:20:03 | Nadav | i'm looking at some @ xfce.org |
| 07:20:04 | sig | cya |
| 07:20:13 | sig | Nadav: those suck |
| 07:20:23 | sig | the ones on xfce.org are ghetto.... hehehehe |
| 07:20:29 | Nadav | heh |
| 07:21:14 | sig | I'm tired |
| 07:21:27 | sig | I should head to bed too, I have a lug that I have to go to tomorrow... |
| 07:21:42 | sig | gonna get some free hardware |
| 07:57:12 | kergoth | wtf am i doing awake |
| 08:31:20 | noidd | Repeat 10 times... Just because you CAN do something doesn't make it a good idea. |
| 08:39:29 | noidd | making 16Meg of swap as a dd'd file then attempting to run qpose is bad. |
| 08:43:44 | Speedy2 | re |
| 08:44:23 | noidd | hey Speedy2 |
| 08:44:33 | Speedy2 | Hi nobse |
| 08:44:34 | Speedy2 | err |
| 08:44:36 | Speedy2 | noidd |
| 08:45:02 | noidd | hehe |
| 08:45:35 | Speedy2 | What's up? |
| 08:45:39 | Speedy2 | I saw Minority Report |
| 08:46:02 | noidd | Well, I bought me Zaurus 2 days ago |
| 08:46:28 | noidd | started porting all my UNIX and network admin tools (all GPL stuff from freshmeat) |
| 08:46:49 | noidd | been packaging it up and uploaded the first two to kill.*\.de |
| 08:47:32 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 08:47:34 | Speedy2 | Fun |
| 08:47:38 | Speedy2 | Cross-compiling like a MOFO no doubt |
| 08:47:39 | noidd | and ammazed that in the 2 hours or so its been up i've had 17 downloads |
| 08:47:56 | noidd | downloads of the ipks |
| 08:48:00 | noidd | indeed. |
| 08:48:11 | noidd | Once I was shown how... its been non-stop |
| 08:48:12 | Speedy2 | What stuff did you port? |
| 08:48:18 | noidd | went to bed way too late last night |
| 08:48:24 | noidd | so far gnupg and socat |
| 08:48:36 | noidd | I started on lsof then realised it was probably beyond me. |
| 08:49:18 | noidd | sniffit works but interactive mode is being evil (requires 80 columns or it exits) |
| 08:49:36 | noidd | so will re-compile that without |
| 08:49:47 | noidd | This means that you'll be able to in one command line... |
| 08:50:23 | noidd | sniff with your wireless LAN card and re-direct the traffic, encapsulated via the USB bus. |
| 08:50:40 | noidd | where you can log it and work on it at will |
| 08:51:10 | noidd | it will log to disk... but logging network traffic to disk can get ugly. |
| 08:51:29 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 08:51:29 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 08:51:38 | noidd | Go into a building with wireless LAN access |
| 08:51:51 | noidd | have sniffit running in "password snarf" mode. |
| 08:52:03 | noidd | have your Security consultant interview |
| 08:52:29 | noidd | at the end of the interview whip out the PDA and give them a list of passwords you snarfed during the interview |
| 08:52:53 | noidd | either be arrested for breaking the law or take a nice consultancy ;-) |
| 08:53:24 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 08:53:25 | noidd | anyways... I've seen a company thats done that by faking being a cleaner and then splicing into ethernet |
| 08:53:35 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 08:53:42 | Speedy2 | Sounds like something the A-Team would do |
| 08:54:17 | noidd | yes, but without the welding gear, alledgedly broken down JCB and half a ton of fertiliser |
| 08:54:32 | Speedy2 | hehehe |
| 08:54:33 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 08:54:36 | Speedy2 | A-team++ |
| 08:54:37 | Speedy2 | A-team++ |
| 08:54:38 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 08:54:38 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 08:54:40 | Speedy2 | A-team++ |
| 08:54:40 | Speedy2 | A-team++ |
| 08:54:41 | Speedy2 | A-team++ |
| 08:54:43 | Speedy2 | A-team++ |
| 08:54:45 | Speedy2 | A-team++ |
| 08:54:47 | Speedy2 | A-team++ |
| 08:54:49 | Speedy2 | A-team++ |
| 08:54:50 | | a-team has neutral karma |
| 08:54:51 | Speedy2 | ibot karma a-team |
| 08:54:53 | noidd | ok, we get the message! |
| 08:54:55 | noidd | haha |
| 08:54:58 | Speedy2 | Bah |
| 08:55:05 | | a-team has neutral karma |
| 08:55:05 | Speedy2 | ibot karma A-team |
| 08:55:09 | Speedy2 | basatrd |
| 08:55:14 | noidd | watch |
| 08:55:20 | Speedy2 | noidd: You know the A-Team is awesome |
| 08:55:22 | noidd | (A-team)++ |
| 08:55:30 | | a-team has karma of 1 |
| 08:55:30 | noidd | ibot, karma A-team |
| 08:55:36 | | thanks noidd :) |
| 08:55:36 | noidd | ibot, botsnack |
| 08:55:53 | Speedy2 | (A-team)++ |
| 08:55:54 | Speedy2 | (A-team)++ |
| 08:55:54 | Speedy2 | (A-team)++ |
| 08:55:54 | Speedy2 | (A-team)++ |
| 08:55:54 | Speedy2 | (A-team)++ |
| 08:55:55 | Speedy2 | (A-team)++ |
| 08:55:56 | Speedy2 | (A-team)++ |
| 08:55:58 | Speedy2 | (A-team)++ |
| 08:56:00 | Speedy2 | (A-team)++ |
| 08:56:02 | Speedy2 | (A-team)++ |
| 08:56:04 | Speedy2 | (A-team)++ |
| 08:56:05 | Speedy2 | (A-team)++ |
| 08:56:07 | Speedy2 | It's quiet in here |
| 08:56:09 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 08:56:14 | Speedy2 | So, you work as a security consultant sometimes? |
| 08:56:19 | noidd | sometimes |
| 08:58:04 | noidd | haha, another two downloads of my gnupg package since we've been talking (10 mins) |
| 08:58:25 | noidd | cross-compiles more. |
| 09:03:55 | noidd | Speedy2: I saw a package that was ment to allow you to run other packages in landscape mode - any ideas what its called? |
| 09:09:40 | Twiun | swears |
| 09:09:43 | Speedy2 | re |
| 09:09:43 | Speedy2 | Sorry |
| 09:09:52 | noidd | Twiun: Good start :-) |
| 09:09:55 | noidd | what happened? |
| 09:09:55 | Twiun | swears |
| 09:09:55 | Twiun | swears |
| 09:09:56 | Twiun | swears |
| 09:09:57 | Speedy2 | noidd: I don't have a Z, so, I can't help you! |
| 09:10:00 | Speedy2 | twiun++ |
| 09:10:06 | Twiun | noidd: this damn powerpack lark |
| 09:10:15 | Speedy2 | There is someone selling a breast pump on a local newsgroup |
| 09:10:16 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 09:10:20 | Twiun | digipower doesn't exist in the Uk |
| 09:10:38 | Twiun | and no friggin' shop in london does powerpacks |
| 09:10:41 | noidd | yeah - the fact that the isn't a single unit in the UK :-) |
| 09:10:51 | Twiun | of any kind other than the Quantum ones... which are 6v |
| 09:11:13 | Twiun | and I'm not in the mood to fry my Z |
| 09:11:40 | Twiun | swears again for good measure |
| 09:11:46 | Speedy2 | Twiun: You can go over the voltage by some |
| 09:11:50 | Speedy2 | The Z *regulates* the input power |
| 09:11:53 | Speedy2 | It doesn't use it directly |
| 09:12:10 | noidd | Speedy2: Yes, but in doing that you increase heat disapation requirements |
| 09:12:14 | Twiun | Yeah, but seeing as the only powerpack available is one meant for flashguns... |
| 09:12:32 | Speedy2 | So? |
| 09:12:35 | noidd | Twiun: Oh, that'll be *ROUGH* |
| 09:12:38 | Speedy2 | noidd: Only slightly |
| 09:12:46 | Speedy2 | It's a switching power supply |
| 09:12:50 | Speedy2 | Not a linear regulator |
| 09:12:59 | Speedy2 | err |
| 09:12:59 | noidd | since a battery is really just one huge capasitor - heh |
| 09:13:03 | Speedy2 | It uses multiple switching power supplies |
| 09:13:11 | Twiun | Speedy2: They're designed for impulse supply, not continuous |
| 09:13:13 | Speedy2 | noidd: That is not correct...a battery is an idea voltage source |
| 09:13:14 | noidd | draws a diagram |
| 09:13:19 | noidd | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 09:13:20 | Speedy2 | ideal |
| 09:13:22 | noidd | :-) |
| 09:13:37 | Speedy2 | twiun: Well, do you have any specs on it? |
| 09:13:58 | Twiun | Yeah, www.qtm.com, "Battery 1" |
| 09:14:15 | Twiun | but in any case, they have to be ordered in specially |
| 09:14:26 | Twiun | so not before next week... which is useless for me |
| 09:14:35 | Twiun | is still flying out on Sunday |
| 09:15:06 | Speedy2 | Twiun: It might still work you know |
| 09:15:12 | Speedy2 | Wait...where are you located |
| 09:15:12 | Speedy2 | UK? |
| 09:15:31 | Twiun | Yeah |
| 09:15:45 | Speedy2 | You can't get a four AA cell holder and get some 1.5V cells? |
| 09:15:52 | Speedy2 | Farnell should carry it |
| 09:16:06 | Speedy2 | I got some from a local supplier for like $.50 |
| 09:16:20 | Twiun | I'm looking forward to a 28h trip... how many do you think I'd go through? |
| 09:16:33 | Twiun | grimaces |
| 09:16:56 | Speedy2 | Twiun: Uhh, the plane should have a DC outlet |
| 09:17:04 | Twiun | Yeah... in first class |
| 09:17:15 | Twiun | phoned the airline... not in economy |
| 09:17:20 | Speedy2 | Fuckers |
| 09:17:21 | noidd | not for cattle-class like us workers use |
| 09:17:22 | Speedy2 | What airline ? |
| 09:17:27 | Twiun | Japan Airlines |
| 09:17:54 | Twiun | had to book a last-minute ticket... so little choice in the matter |
| 09:18:30 | noidd | if you booked last min you probably payed first-class ish prices for cattle-class.. double ouch |
| 09:19:00 | Twiun | nah... £1500 is the average price for this ticket... I got the lot for £968, including two internal flights |
| 09:19:14 | Speedy2 | Twiun: That camera battery thing would work... |
| 09:19:19 | Speedy2 | It just has a HUGE capacitor on the output end |
| 09:19:41 | Speedy2 | As long as it claims to put out 6V |
| 09:19:44 | Speedy2 | re-checks |
| 09:20:18 | Twiun | Right... oh well... next time I take a long trip, I'll look more into it |
| 09:20:32 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 09:20:35 | Twiun | as it is, I'll just plunder the local Sharp-battery-supplying-place |
| 09:20:40 | Speedy2 | Well it would work... |
| 09:20:48 | Speedy2 | the batt1 |
| 09:21:02 | Twiun | Speedy2: I'm not doubting you, it's just that I can't get my hands on them quickly enough |
| 09:21:08 | Speedy2 | Yeah, I understand my friend. |
| 09:21:38 | Twiun | fwaps Sharp and their bloody non-standard battery shite |
| 09:21:53 | noidd | Twiun: they have to do that sometimes. |
| 09:22:04 | Twiun | I'm going to end up paying an arm and a leg for those extra batteries |
| 09:22:08 | noidd | Twiun: its not always a ploy to make you pay more for proprietary ;-) |
| 09:22:16 | Twiun | Seriously? |
| 09:22:21 | noidd | hands Twiun a hacksaw |
| 09:22:26 | Twiun | remains sceptical... |
| 09:23:18 | noidd | well, they have a certain amount of space cos of the restricted space |
| 09:23:30 | noidd | and you want as many mAh in there as poss |
| 09:24:00 | noidd | there may not have been an off-the-shelf cell available that fitted that form factor and was about the right spec |
| 09:24:06 | Twiun | in that case.... what about accessories? |
| 09:24:21 | Twiun | I'd hardly say they're accessible ;-) |
| 09:24:38 | Twiun | Sharp seems to have little market penetration atm |
| 09:25:27 | Speedy2 | Maybe they just need some sexy music. |
| 09:25:30 | noidd | maybe the supply chains want to see the base products performance before commiting to stocking extras |
| 09:25:40 | Twiun | true enough |
| 09:25:51 | noidd | they need an advertising campaign like that BrightStore one |
| 09:26:17 | noidd | although I think they should do an X-rated version |
| 09:26:27 | Twiun | Hahaha |
| 09:26:44 | noidd | "Dont worry sir, everything he knew about the subject is right up here" |
| 09:26:59 | noidd | cue disgruntled employee wielding firearms |
| 09:27:21 | noidd | end with building collapsing under a huge explosion |
| 09:27:22 | noidd | ... |
| 09:27:34 | noidd | "We know our backups are off-site, are yours?" |
| 09:28:04 | Twiun | Yup! They got stolen a few weeks ago ;-) |
| 09:28:41 | noidd | we took it apart and used that black/brown type tape stuff as streamers at the office christmas party |
| 09:28:49 | noidd | or... |
| 09:29:01 | noidd | my mate told me that /dev/null was the tape device! |
| 09:29:10 | Twiun | haha |
| 09:29:25 | noidd | I wondered why the backup completed so quickly |
| 09:30:21 | noidd | boggles. |
| 09:30:39 | Speedy2 | F'ing hate sony |
| 09:30:42 | Speedy2 | Damn website is SHIT |
| 09:31:21 | noidd | wonders if any other software sites mirror Z applications .ipks |
| 09:31:41 | noidd | either my stuff is really popular or my ipk's are being dragged by a lot of mirrors |
| 09:32:21 | noidd | or I accidentally packaged my secret key with it and its on the front cover of ntk.net |
| 09:32:21 | Twiun | which ipks are those? |
| 09:32:27 | noidd | gnupg and socat |
| 09:33:05 | Twiun | Oooo |
| 09:35:05 | noidd | just porting my favorite network sniffer as we speak |
| 09:35:18 | noidd | Twiun: or, did you see my question earlier |
| 09:35:23 | noidd | scrolls up |
| 09:35:28 | Twiun | probably not ;-) |
| 09:35:33 | noidd | no, twas before you came on |
| 09:36:25 | noidd | I read on one of the websites before I got my Z about an application which allowed you to run Q apps rotated 90 degrees |
| 09:36:33 | noidd | any ideas what its called? |
| 09:36:39 | Twiun | yup, qpe-rotation |
| 09:36:43 | noidd | :-) |
| 09:36:45 | Twiun | should be on the ZZ feed |
| 09:36:49 | Twiun | it's two packages |
| 09:36:59 | Twiun | one is the applet, the other are the fonts |
| 09:37:11 | noidd | will it work with qpe-terminal and give me 80x24 |
| 09:37:15 | noidd | lets find out |
| 09:37:24 | noidd | erm, what is ZZ feed? :-) |
| 09:37:31 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 09:37:31 | Twiun | ibot: feed |
| 09:37:37 | Twiun | second one ;-) |
| 09:37:45 | noidd | thankee |
| 09:39:01 | noidd | Twiun: one other question while we're on a roll :-) |
| 09:39:08 | Twiun | sure |
| 09:39:19 | noidd | Twiun: you know the control file, which contains the package description... |
| 09:39:28 | Twiun | nods |
| 09:39:41 | noidd | in the package installation GUI... can you actually display the description of the package |
| 09:39:58 | noidd | de-taring twice seems overkill ;-) |
| 09:40:12 | Twiun | not on the default Sharp rom... unless you're installing from a network feed I believe |
| 09:40:24 | noidd | ok, good. |
| 09:40:34 | noidd | at least I know i'm not missing anything obvious |
| 09:40:58 | Twiun | Nah... the default Sharp package installer is a load of bollocks |
| 09:41:08 | Twiun | apparently they'll make a new one sometime |
| 09:41:34 | noidd | Hmm, qpe-rotate is in the Packages file listing but the .ipk is not in the directory |
| 09:41:56 | Twiun | has a look |
| 09:42:00 | noidd | google to the rescue! |
| 09:42:45 | noidd | I take it back - its opie-rotation |
| 09:43:03 | Twiun | hmmm.... give it a try, I haven't tried that one |
| 09:43:50 | noidd | google found it |
| 09:48:30 | noidd | no, qpe-terminal bombs out |
| 09:48:40 | noidd | goes hunting for another terminal program |
| 09:48:50 | Twiun | hmmm, what about other apps? |
| 09:48:55 | noidd | other are fine |
| 09:49:12 | noidd | ah, no text tho |
| 09:49:25 | Twiun | right... the fonts aren't in the right place |
| 09:49:34 | noidd | there was only one package |
| 09:49:36 | Twiun | the should live in /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/fonts |
| 09:49:43 | Twiun | they should... even |
| 09:50:00 | Twiun | ok, well, you also need the rotated fonts |
| 09:50:07 | Twiun | (fonts on the Z are pre-rendered) |
| 09:50:36 | noidd | hmm, no help text to give me a home URL |
| 09:51:13 | Twiun | tried the opie one? |
| 09:51:48 | noidd | nope |
| 09:51:55 | noidd | I think i've found it now |
| 09:52:06 | noidd | grepped through the feed for all fonts |
| 09:54:54 | SmBJ_ | grr |
| 09:56:33 | noidd | SmBJ_: whats up? |
| 09:57:01 | SmBJ_ | I sold my computer to someone, shipped it UPS.. arrived broken |
| 09:57:11 | SmBJ_ | now it won't boot |
| 09:57:24 | noidd | insurance job by the looks of it :-( |
| 09:58:24 | SmBJ_ | Dad shipped it for me |
| 09:58:24 | SmBJ_ | i'll see if they cover anything |
| 09:59:13 | noidd | they tend to have a fixed liability (50$ or cost of shipping) unless you bought insurance to go with it |
| 09:59:47 | SmBJ_ | Yeah, that's why i have to call my dad |
| 09:59:52 | SmBJ_ | maybe he got insurance |
| 09:59:55 | SmBJ_ | he said he probably would |
| 10:13:43 | noidd | good luck anyways |
| 10:13:43 | XavierXeon | noidd: did you find the rotation stuff ? |
| 10:14:02 | noidd | XavierXeon: yes I did - but it doesn't work |
| 10:14:18 | noidd | the application icon just sits there "selected" if you know what I mean |
| 10:14:40 | noidd | I only need one application rotated so checking alternatives |
| 10:14:53 | noidd | all I want for christmas is 80x24 :-) |
| 10:15:08 | XavierXeon | i installed the qpeextra stuff from http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=39939. did work for me |
| 10:15:29 | noidd | I'll un-install this lot and try that |
| 10:15:31 | noidd | thanks |
| 10:15:32 | noidd | :-0 |
| 10:15:36 | noidd | :-) even |
| 10:18:47 | zecke | anyone interested in doing another OpenZaurus Opie feed? |
| 10:19:43 | noidd | by feed do you mean you just want us to provide disk space and a crontab with which to rsync from? |
| 10:19:50 | noidd | or are you talking about maintaining |
| 10:20:36 | zecke | maintaining it |
| 10:21:18 | noidd | zecke: I've only had my Z 2 days so i'm the wrong person to talk to :-) (plus I havnt flashed my Z yet) |
| 10:21:24 | XavierXeon | zecke: what would that mean ? is the disk space provided ? |
| 10:22:11 | zecke | XavierXeon: It'll be hosted at www.opie.info and has to be regulary updatet just like our iPAQ feed |
| 10:22:45 | XavierXeon | zecke: then all you had to do is put the ipk's there and run the feed perl script ? |
| 10:23:00 | Harlekin | sup' |
| 10:23:05 | zecke | XavierXeon: no we're doing our feeds by hand |
| 10:23:06 | noidd | hey Harlekin |
| 10:23:13 | Harlekin | hi noidd |
| 10:23:29 | tille | hi Harlekin |
| 10:23:35 | Harlekin | hi tille |
| 10:23:44 | XavierXeon | so you have to "tear apart the ipk's and do the Package file by hand ? |
| 10:23:58 | tille | *sight* |
| 10:24:08 | noidd | XavierXeon: one liner :-) easy |
| 10:24:37 | zecke | XavierXeon: the maintainer should compile by hand and test it first |
| 10:24:56 | zecke | XavierXeon: sometimes some changes are buggy and shouldn't be included in a feed |
| 10:25:13 | zecke | XavierXeon: or we did a bugfix then the feed building should be postponed by some minutes |
| 10:25:24 | XavierXeon | once a new oz version comes out i could spare about 1 hour a day |
| 10:25:25 | zecke | XavierXeon: all this can't be done with a small perl script |
| 10:33:48 | tille | XavierXeon: do you have your feed online? |
| 10:33:48 | XavierXeon | tille: my feed is on my CF card |
| 10:33:49 | tille | XavierXeon: so your feed is private? |
| 10:33:49 | XavierXeon | i do not have a feed. zecke was looking for someone to maintain the oz/opie feed |
| 10:33:49 | tille | XavierXeon: yes, me too ;-) |
| 10:33:49 | noidd | Guys - is there a way of updating the Documents tab to see files i've uploaded without me killing the qpe process? :-) (overkill) |
| 10:33:49 | tille | noidd: yes |
| 10:33:49 | noidd | tille: how? :-) |
| 10:33:49 | XavierXeon | noidd: you need to crate a corresponding .desktop file |
| 10:33:49 | tille | noidd: sec |
| 10:34:08 | tille | noidd: try: qcop "QPE/System" "linkChanged(QString)" |
| 10:34:28 | tille | XavierXeon: want to do the opie zaurus feed |
| 10:34:50 | noidd | haha, could it be any more complex :-) |
| 10:35:15 | noidd | tille: er, my screen just died when i typed that in |
| 10:35:17 | XavierXeon | as i said : i can spare 1 hour, and i do not know if that is enough time |
| 10:35:39 | noidd | does a killall qpe and all is well |
| 10:36:57 | tille | noidd: i have a ipaq not a z |
| 10:37:34 | tille | noidd: but i quess /etc/init.d/qpe stop; /etc/init.d/qpe start would work too |
| 10:37:36 | noidd | tille: now you tell me :-) |
| 10:38:11 | tille | hi ljp_ |
| 10:38:17 | noidd | tille: I get the impression that qpe is inittab'd up - hence killing the process causing a restart |
| 10:38:20 | ljp_ | hi |
| 10:38:51 | tille | XavierXeon: one hour could be enough |
| 10:39:34 | tille | noidd: i have no clue how the z's unix organises this... |
| 10:40:01 | XavierXeon | tille: once the new oz version runs reasonably stable on my z i would do it |
| 10:40:49 | ljp_ | organizes what? |
| 10:41:15 | tille | ljp_: i am looking for a opie feed maintainer for Z |
| 10:41:33 | tille | XavierXeon: yoi could help make it work better by maintaining this feed... |
| 10:41:59 | tille | XavierXeon: you do not have to do it dayly... |
| 10:42:10 | tille | XavierXeon: ... weekly would be fair enough |
| 10:42:37 | XavierXeon | tille: i know and i would love to, but beta10 either kills my network connection or does a seg fault sometimes |
| 10:42:56 | XavierXeon | that is why i currently still use the sharp rom most of the time |
| 10:43:55 | tille | ljp_: do you want to make the feed? |
| 10:43:55 | noidd | XavierXeon: Rotation works! |
| 10:43:59 | noidd | *BUT* |
| 10:44:09 | noidd | I'm trying to get 80x24 |
| 10:44:15 | noidd | I now have 76 columns! |
| 10:44:24 | noidd | close, but no cigar :-( |
| 10:44:52 | ljp_ | yes I could, but it would be better for me if it could be a mirror of another, instead of a seperate arm build |
| 10:45:10 | ljp_ | I plan on doing that at opie.us |
| 10:45:33 | XavierXeon | noidd: unless you hack the code that is the best you will get |
| 10:46:25 | tille | ljp_: hmm, mirroring the opie feeds from one server to the other would be nice too |
| 10:46:36 | noidd | I need a console application that will let me viewport |
| 10:46:46 | noidd | ie, scrollbars to set my own size |
| 10:52:30 | tille | seen cworth |
| 11:06:59 | noidd | XavierXeon: I think I need fonts more than code anyways :-( |
| 11:08:32 | Harlekin | for german Z users: there is a cf wlan card test in the current C't |
| 11:10:28 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 11:10:49 | mark | hi Cloudchaser |
| 11:11:01 | Cloudchaser | noidd: i was reading back and saw you were looking for hte rotation thing |
| 11:11:07 | Cloudchaser | did you get it all squared away? |
| 11:11:13 | Cloudchaser | hiya mark ;) |
| 11:14:15 | Cloudchaser | hey has anyone tried that zxrzaurus spectrum emulator? |
| 11:17:02 | ranf | hi |
| 11:21:34 | Cloudchaser | hi |
| 11:23:46 | noidd | Cloudchaser: yes and yes |
| 11:23:46 | noidd | Cloudchaser: I got the rotation to work - but it was *just* short of what I needed |
| 11:23:47 | Cloudchaser | oki |
| 11:23:47 | noidd | I needed 80 columns in the terminal - it got me 74 |
| 11:23:47 | noidd | and i've tried the spectrum thing too |
| 11:23:54 | Cloudchaser | does it work? |
| 11:24:05 | Cloudchaser | i tried gnuboy, no luck |
| 11:24:07 | noidd | not to any standard I would accept |
| 11:24:14 | Cloudchaser | zmame didn't have any games i could find |
| 11:24:28 | Cloudchaser | i just like little side scrolly games |
| 11:24:42 | noidd | Cloudchaser: warmi took away a copy of spectemu sources, an X11 speccy emulator which is *fast* |
| 11:24:48 | Cloudchaser | i have some gba roms |
| 11:25:01 | Cloudchaser | "took away" |
| 11:25:02 | Cloudchaser | ? |
| 11:25:06 | noidd | he is looking at porting it this weekend, but no promises he says.. if its easy yes, if its hard he cant be arsed ;-) |
| 11:25:44 | Cloudchaser | if warmi's a good guy :) he made the subnet calculator for me ;) |
| 11:25:48 | Cloudchaser | said the same thing, |
| 11:25:57 | Cloudchaser | hehe then...it was up and posted :) |
| 11:26:30 | Cloudchaser | (well don't know that it was for me, but..i was asking him and showed him one) |
| 11:26:36 | Cloudchaser | and he ported it to z :) |
| 11:27:14 | noidd | forms the warmi appreciation society |
| 11:27:28 | Cloudchaser | hehe i appreciate all the devlopers |
| 11:27:58 | noidd | hey George- |
| 11:28:06 | noidd | Cloudchaser: aye, same here |
| 11:28:54 | noidd | tries to port sekurity toolz |
| 11:29:09 | Cloudchaser | next i need...a nice term emulator that logs (i used to use termforce on my jornada) |
| 11:29:21 | Cloudchaser | hehe i'll hve to try them noidd |
| 11:29:57 | ljp_ | security? on the zaurus? :) |
| 11:30:10 | Cloudchaser | am hoping sharps new serial cable comes soooon! |
| 11:30:27 | Cloudchaser | so tired of carrying laptop up ladders and balancing it in my hand in closets |
| 11:31:07 | ljp_ | drill a few hole in the laptop, but a rope through, and wear it like a necklace! |
| 11:31:08 | Cloudchaser | main reason i got z was keyboard and serial cable |
| 11:31:11 | noidd | ljp_: don;t worry - not to secure the zaurus.. more to help the zaurus make the surrounding area less secure |
| 11:31:42 | Cloudchaser | hacker tools |
| 11:31:45 | ljp_ | heh I figguered |
| 11:31:59 | noidd | shame on you |
| 11:32:07 | noidd | no, computer security tools |
| 11:32:38 | Cloudchaser | then it should be "more to help the zaurus make the surround area more secure" :) |
| 11:32:47 | Cloudchaser | by point out the security holes ;) |
| 11:33:01 | ljp_ | actually, one of the strengths I see the z is as being a net admin tool |
| 11:33:08 | Cloudchaser | yes ljp |
| 11:33:12 | noidd | ljp_: thats what I use it for. |
| 11:33:17 | Cloudchaser | but its falling short for me ;( |
| 11:33:42 | Cloudchaser | and i have a problem paying 50.00 for a cable only to carve it up to get it to work properly |
| 11:33:48 | ljp_ | if you notice, it even has a screw hole on th eback, so you can mount it somewhere |
| 11:33:52 | noidd | ljp_: I'm a UNIX and Network Management software dude. Zaurus will save me lugging laptop around the network to perform tests and maintainence |
| 11:34:20 | Cloudchaser | so noidd: can you make a pretty term emulator? |
| 11:34:29 | ljp_ | heh cloud, thats funny in a tragic sort of way |
| 11:34:30 | noidd | ljp_: as the manual tells you in bold type, There is not a screw missing |
| 11:34:35 | Cloudchaser | what is ljp? |
| 11:34:47 | ljp_ | cable carving |
| 11:34:50 | noidd | Cloudchaser: nope, not a C or C++ or Q person |
| 11:34:56 | Cloudchaser | hehe yeah ljp |
| 11:35:11 | Cloudchaser | i had to do it with a little connector to get speakeres in z with dlink card in |
| 11:35:16 | Cloudchaser | but that connector was only 2.99 |
| 11:35:43 | Cloudchaser | hey if i have one from windows ce... |
| 11:35:52 | Cloudchaser | can someone port it over to the z? |
| 11:36:01 | ljp_ | ahhh... I implanted a mic in one of my Z's |
| 11:36:05 | Cloudchaser | someone said games were easy to do |
| 11:36:18 | Cloudchaser | eaiser for ppc to z than linux to z |
| 11:36:53 | ljp_ | X keeps crashing my main box, and its really starting to piss me off |
| 11:37:03 | Cloudchaser | noidd: i need to console into switches and routers which are mostly in inconvenient places |
| 11:37:12 | Cloudchaser | so i need to log sessions |
| 11:37:35 | Cloudchaser | the z needs a modem cable too |
| 11:37:53 | Cloudchaser | (saves the need for a null modem and gender changer on the serila cable) |
| 11:38:23 | Cloudchaser | i'm almost to the point of looking for an old jornada 660 or 680 |
| 11:38:23 | mark | loads up his Z for games while going away |
| 11:38:24 | ljp_ | I just want a usb<->Z cable, so I can use the damn keyboard when its connected via usb |
| 11:38:45 | mark | ljp_: y eh, that'd be nice |
| 11:38:46 | Cloudchaser | can't use vnc? |
| 11:38:53 | mark | ljp_: xfree crashes too muc |
| 11:39:05 | ljp_ | heh ya, and vnc is slow |
| 11:39:12 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 11:39:26 | Cloudchaser | doesn't seem so slow to me |
| 11:39:38 | Cloudchaser | hmmm.. maybe I'M slow! |
| 11:39:38 | ljp_ | testing stuff on the Z is kinda a pain |
| 11:40:14 | ljp_ | especially when its something from sandman and tends to make qpe not work ;) |
| 11:41:06 | ljp_ | well, I was going to try to compile X.. but... the source is in 3 tar balls, and large |
| 11:42:02 | Cloudchaser | yah know.. i have two old cables from my jornada if i could just get the ends for the z |
| 11:42:14 | Cloudchaser | i could have someone make me what i need |
| 11:42:16 | ljp_ | grumbles at XFree and acceleratedX |
| 11:43:04 | ljp_ | is glad the Z doesnt use X |
| 11:43:27 | mark | ljp_: acceleratedX just as bad? |
| 11:43:27 | noidd | doesn't know whether to laugh or cry. |
| 11:43:40 | noidd | I ported my first two apps to the Z, no problems |
| 11:43:46 | ljp_ | cant tell. it wont compile itself |
| 11:43:55 | noidd | wake up this morning and not a single one of my new ports will cross-compile |
| 11:44:03 | noidd | maybe if I go back to bed... ;-) |
| 11:44:19 | Cloudchaser | aww :*( |
| 11:44:44 | Cloudchaser | what are you porting today? |
| 11:44:58 | noidd | was looking at porting a couple of network sniffers |
| 11:45:23 | Cloudchaser | cool |
| 11:46:02 | Cloudchaser | hehe a guy from hewlett packard posted about not being able to flash his rom |
| 11:46:10 | Cloudchaser | thinks he's a corporate spy! |
| 11:46:22 | Harlekin | name? |
| 11:46:31 | Cloudchaser | Jim Harritt |
| 11:46:31 | Cloudchaser | ISE - Collaborative Computing |
| 11:46:31 | Cloudchaser | Hewlett-Packard Co. |
| 11:46:31 | noidd | sniffit |
| 11:46:40 | Cloudchaser | oh |
| 11:46:41 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 11:46:51 | noidd | doh, ignore me |
| 11:46:58 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: marketing drone |
| 11:47:01 | Cloudchaser | which name did you want Harlekin? |
| 11:47:03 | Harlekin | no intelligent lifeform |
| 11:47:19 | Cloudchaser | yeah but those marketing drones are giving "reviews" and bad pr, no? |
| 11:48:00 | Cloudchaser | they are quick to point out flaws to make themselves look better |
| 11:48:24 | Harlekin | www.userfriendly.org |
| 11:50:12 | Cloudchaser | hehe :) |
| 11:56:42 | mark | NeoTron, Neo|Work: i've just purchased SA, i'd appreciate the unlock code pretty pronto as I'm going away soon. cheers |
| 11:57:16 | Cloudchaser | noidd: you still here? |
| 11:57:30 | noidd | yup |
| 11:57:37 | noidd | mark: what is SA? |
| 11:57:42 | ranf | SA = StrongARM? |
| 11:57:45 | Cloudchaser | stragic assault |
| 11:57:45 | mark | noidd: strategic assault |
| 11:58:33 | Cloudchaser | noidd: you got the rotation to work..did you get the files from ipkgfind.handhelds.org? |
| 11:59:03 | noidd | Cloudchaser: no, I got it from sourceforge /ipaq/feed |
| 11:59:06 | noidd | or something like that |
| 11:59:14 | Cloudchaser | 2 files, right? |
| 11:59:58 | noidd | yes - but it was in one zip file :-) |
| 12:00:04 | ranf | sf.net/projects/qpe ? |
| 12:00:19 | noidd | lemme check my history - see if i can find it for you |
| 12:00:22 | Cloudchaser | hmm have a link? |
| 12:00:23 | Cloudchaser | thanks |
| 12:01:46 | noidd | ok, i lost the link :-( |
| 12:01:56 | noidd | can give you the zip file :-/ |
| 12:01:57 | Cloudchaser | s'ok can you just tell me version numbers? |
| 12:02:00 | noidd | not quite the same |
| 12:02:01 | noidd | sure |
| 12:02:20 | noidd | qpe_extra1.zip was the file |
| 12:02:22 | noidd | contained: |
| 12:02:29 | noidd | qpe-rotation_1.5.0-3_arm.ipk |
| 12:02:32 | noidd | qt-embedded-rotation_2.3.2-3_arm.ipk |
| 12:02:40 | Cloudchaser | ok that's not the newest |
| 12:02:46 | Cloudchaser | go here for newest: |
| 12:02:47 | noidd | (and other stuff - tthose are all I installed) |
| 12:02:56 | Cloudchaser | http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/details.phtml?package=qpe-rotation&official=&format= |
| 12:03:04 | noidd | ok, going |
| 12:03:14 | Cloudchaser | http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/details.phtml?package=qt-embedded-rotation&official=&format= |
| 12:03:27 | noidd | lemme install those |
| 12:03:28 | noidd | 2 tics |
| 12:04:09 | ranf | qpe-rotation is an app under settings while qt-embedded-rotation* is just additional fonts. |
| 12:04:10 | Cloudchaser | we really need a central, up to date repository! |
| 12:04:48 | Cloudchaser | guess it's hard though |
| 12:04:52 | Cloudchaser | to keep up |
| 12:04:56 | noidd | need smaller fonts again :-P |
| 12:05:07 | noidd | in reality we need about 40 extra pixels :-) |
| 12:05:10 | Cloudchaser | what do you mean? |
| 12:05:14 | Cloudchaser | smaller fonts/ |
| 12:06:03 | Cloudchaser | i noticed that using smaller fonts in terminal doesn't give you more spaces |
| 12:06:06 | noidd | i'm still chasing that elusive 80x24 terminal |
| 12:06:28 | Cloudchaser | can't you tweak the embedded console? |
| 12:06:33 | noidd | probably easier tho to ask the developers of konsole if they would add a viewport option |
| 12:06:56 | Cloudchaser | whats that? |
| 12:07:35 | noidd | scroll bars |
| 12:07:41 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 12:07:42 | mark | does anyone have a KPacman ipkg? |
| 12:07:49 | ljp_ | easier said than done, my friend |
| 12:08:01 | noidd | ie... set in prefs that you want your konsole to be 80x24 |
| 12:08:08 | noidd | and then scvrollbars to view around it |
| 12:08:23 | noidd | ljp_: kpac or konsol? |
| 12:08:49 | noidd | Cloudchaser: rotating the screen made a huge difference |
| 12:08:55 | ljp_ | konsole |
| 12:09:00 | Cloudchaser | did it? |
| 12:09:16 | noidd | Cloudchaser: yes - added about 30% extra |
| 12:09:25 | noidd | Cloudchaser: just 6 characters short now |
| 12:09:28 | Cloudchaser | cool, i'll try it :) |
| 12:09:41 | noidd | I think its 74 across now off the top of my head |
| 12:11:02 | noidd | squeezing any more out of the font is going to be impossible now |
| 12:11:18 | Cloudchaser | i can't see tiny font anway :0 |
| 12:11:22 | noidd | since you're at the point where you would have to lose a pixel per cell - and that would make it illegible |
| 12:11:33 | noidd | which is why viewport is the only way now |
| 12:12:17 | noidd | you know what - I only want it for one app anyways |
| 12:12:50 | noidd | maybe I should get off my fat ass, and write the simple C++ proggie that would pack a terminal widget into a viewport widget and execute the program |
| 12:13:07 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 12:13:13 | Cloudchaser | while you're at it... |
| 12:13:29 | Cloudchaser | grr.. this card thing is getting me aggravated!!! |
| 12:13:35 | Cloudchaser | if i put in a cf card |
| 12:13:39 | Cloudchaser | and eject it |
| 12:13:43 | Cloudchaser | then put in my wireless card |
| 12:13:47 | Cloudchaser | it hoses things up |
| 12:14:46 | Cloudchaser | ah there we go :) |
| 12:15:25 | noidd | alternatively - I could just evilly hack the application |
| 12:15:35 | noidd | it exits when there are less than 80 colums available |
| 12:15:43 | noidd | if( (COLS<80)||(LINES<18) ) |
| 12:15:43 | noidd | exit(0); |
| 12:15:43 | noidd | }; |
| 12:15:50 | noidd | >:-) |
| 12:16:44 | ljp_ | you _think_ its an easy hack |
| 12:17:03 | Cloudchaser | there has GOT to be a better way to install packages without using the stupid aggravating qtopia desktop |
| 12:17:12 | noidd | ljp_: Well, he does everything properly from then on |
| 12:17:29 | noidd | ljp_: there may be a few other places I need to offset windows a little |
| 12:17:33 | ljp_ | noidd: your talking embeddedkonsole? |
| 12:17:41 | noidd | ljp_: no :-) |
| 12:17:44 | ljp_ | oh |
| 12:17:56 | noidd | ljp_: a curses program that exits if its been opened in less than 80 COLs |
| 12:18:35 | ljp_ | oh.. I had to do that with lxt |
| 12:18:44 | noidd | what is lxt? |
| 12:18:49 | | no idea, noidd |
| 12:18:49 | noidd | ibot, lxt? |
| 12:19:03 | ljp_ | file manager type of program thats like xtree |
| 12:19:16 | noidd | lxt is a file manager type of program thats like xtree |
| 12:19:22 | noidd | cool |
| 12:19:39 | noidd | i never really got the hang on those sorts of things |
| 12:19:42 | ljp_ | you know xtree? |
| 12:19:45 | noidd | I still like my command line |
| 12:19:55 | noidd | nope |
| 12:19:57 | ljp_ | mc works also |
| 12:20:01 | Cloudchaser | command line is a pita on a tiny tiny keyboard |
| 12:20:10 | noidd | i've used midnight commander - yet |
| 12:20:31 | ljp_ | only thing is.. there's no F keys on the Z |
| 12:20:42 | noidd | oh yeah |
| 12:20:50 | noidd | I havnt found the CTRL yet either ;-) |
| 12:21:14 | Cloudchaser | what does this mean: The choosen rotation will only affect new applications? |
| 12:21:21 | ranf | <esc> + 0 is F10, <Esc> + 3 is F3 |
| 12:21:31 | noidd | Cloudchaser: only applications you fire up after the rotate |
| 12:21:43 | noidd | ranf: a 'la sun console |
| 12:21:45 | Cloudchaser | ah oki was afraid i'd have to reinstall the apps ;) |
| 12:22:12 | noidd | this is a silly newbie question |
| 12:22:17 | ranf | I don't know sun. |
| 12:22:31 | noidd | but are datatypes like unsigned short ints likely to change size between x86 and Z? |
| 12:22:44 | noidd | ie, arch or OS dependant |
| 12:23:55 | Cloudchaser | rotation's not really any good if you have to use keyboard, hehe |
| 12:26:10 | ljp_ | hehehe |
| 12:27:15 | Cloudchaser | i need to motivate.. hve to go shopping *cringes* |
| 12:27:30 | Cloudchaser | i hate shopping |
| 12:29:20 | ljp_ | hates shoppping also |
| 12:43:00 | noidd | any ideas where I can get the header files that go with the included ncurses distribution on the Z? |
| 12:43:12 | noidd | its not in the SDK which is kinda where i'd expect it |
| 12:44:35 | ljp_ | I like sym linked the ncuses headers on the desktop machine |
| 12:45:11 | ljp_ | and then pulled the ncureses libs off the z |
| 12:45:25 | noidd | ljp_: and copied the libncurses.so off the Z into the dev environment for linking? |
| 12:45:30 | noidd | bingo |
| 12:45:38 | noidd | thanks :-) |
| 12:48:19 | George- | has the new ROM been released yet? |
| 12:51:30 | George- | hmm |
| 12:51:47 | George- | anyone willing to start a petition to scream at handango about their cuts? |
| 12:51:54 | George- | 30% is just, far far FAR too much |
| 12:55:17 | ljp_ | noidd: yes |
| 12:56:15 | Cloudchaser | hmm in hancom word when you have a url it doesn't let you click oon it and have it open in browser |
| 12:58:05 | Cloudchaser | ljp: i'm doing some documenting (getting ready for oz docs)... |
| 12:59:26 | Cloudchaser | doing vnc...you need zlib for vnc viewer, right? |
| 12:59:34 | Cloudchaser | how bout for vnc server? |
| 13:04:11 | George- | Cloudchaser: I don't think Qtopia is very integrated... |
| 13:04:25 | George- | Cloudchaser: it looks more like a lump of code just shoved together :) |
| 13:04:26 | Cloudchaser | not qutie sure what you mean |
| 13:07:19 | Cloudchaser | sheesh no wonder people with new z's get confused |
| 13:08:04 | Cloudchaser | the vnc viewer should be packages with zlib! |
| 13:08:14 | Cloudchaser | i can find the viewer but can't find zlib :( |
| 13:08:18 | noidd | sniffit is ported ;-) |
| 13:08:23 | Cloudchaser | hehe neat! |
| 13:08:30 | Cloudchaser | does it save captures to sd or cf? |
| 13:08:41 | noidd | it can do |
| 13:08:51 | Cloudchaser | very good ;) its configurable then? |
| 13:08:52 | noidd | but it was the interactive mode I was interested in the most |
| 13:09:03 | Cloudchaser | any docs for it? |
| 13:09:06 | noidd | the build process is completely shafted |
| 13:09:27 | noidd | so I ended up having to do the final linking by hand |
| 13:09:44 | Cloudchaser | will it work on fat cards? |
| 13:09:54 | noidd | ah, NO. |
| 13:10:05 | Cloudchaser | need to post that in readme then |
| 13:10:08 | noidd | it produces files which are not 8.3 |
| 13:10:12 | noidd | if thats what you mean. |
| 13:10:20 | Cloudchaser | not really |
| 13:10:25 | Cloudchaser | sim links |
| 13:10:32 | noidd | no, it doesn't do symlinks |
| 13:10:32 | Cloudchaser | can't have them on fat cards |
| 13:10:48 | Cloudchaser | oki so it will install to cf or sd that is using fat? |
| 13:10:49 | noidd | so FAT can do arbitrary length ? |
| 13:11:02 | noidd | Cloudchaser: its a single static (yuck) binary |
| 13:11:04 | Cloudchaser | good question |
| 13:11:06 | noidd | no support files |
| 13:11:17 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 13:12:08 | Cloudchaser | ok anyone know where to get zlib? |
| 13:12:25 | Cloudchaser | its not on killefiz that i can find |
| 13:12:45 | Cloudchaser | or on sourceforge |
| 13:13:36 | noidd | I just wish I had a network to test it against |
| 13:13:43 | noidd | it goes nuts when monitoring itself ;-) |
| 13:13:57 | George- | hi tux_mike |
| 13:13:58 | Cloudchaser | hehe.. i don't have wired cf for z |
| 13:14:39 | tux_mike | hey |
| 13:14:43 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 13:14:49 | noidd | anyone here have an ethernet or wireless for the Z? |
| 13:14:56 | Cloudchaser | i have wireless |
| 13:14:58 | tux_mike | i have wireless |
| 13:15:17 | noidd | either/both of you have the rotate package? |
| 13:15:27 | tux_mike | yah |
| 13:15:31 | Cloudchaser | hehe just installed it |
| 13:15:38 | noidd | could you test a quick app for me please :-) |
| 13:15:43 | noidd | before I package it |
| 13:15:46 | tux_mike | i don't have it setup |
| 13:15:48 | noidd | need to make sure it works |
| 13:15:58 | tux_mike | my z has been mean to me |
| 13:16:05 | noidd | tux_mike: awwe :-( |
| 13:16:08 | Cloudchaser | aww |
| 13:16:26 | Cloudchaser | treke: you about? |
| 13:16:35 | noidd | Cloudchaser: ? |
| 13:16:41 | noidd | Cloudchaser: tis just one file |
| 13:16:41 | Cloudchaser | looking for treke |
| 13:16:48 | Cloudchaser | what is? |
| 13:16:56 | noidd | this app I need someone to test for me :-) |
| 13:17:05 | Cloudchaser | oh the sniffer? |
| 13:17:08 | noidd | and a mere 80k in size |
| 13:17:10 | noidd | yup |
| 13:17:19 | Cloudchaser | ok is it an ipk? |
| 13:17:31 | noidd | no, but I can put it in one |
| 13:17:37 | Cloudchaser | installs and uninstalls properly? |
| 13:17:47 | Cloudchaser | hehe ok if you do that i'll try it out |
| 13:18:04 | noidd | Cloudchaser: ok, gimmie 10 mins |
| 13:18:10 | Cloudchaser | oki ;) |
| 13:18:21 | Cloudchaser | ljp are you here by chance? |
| 13:19:36 | Cloudchaser | dang |
| 13:19:48 | Cloudchaser | crahsed my doc |
| 13:20:46 | Cloudchaser | bleh have to do section all over agian |
| 13:20:50 | Cloudchaser | cries |
| 13:24:33 | noidd | testing package |
| 13:29:09 | ljp_ | ya I'm here |
| 13:29:58 | NetAmp | hey |
| 13:30:12 | NetAmp | did anyone see The Crocodile Hunter yet? |
| 13:30:19 | killefiz | hey - got your Z? |
| 13:30:42 | noidd | Cloudchaser: ok, got an ipk for you |
| 13:30:47 | NetAmp | killefiz: monday... |
| 13:31:15 | NetAmp | killefiz: I'm sure you will notice when I've got it ;) hehe |
| 13:32:13 | killefiz | yeah - because you'll be submitting fixes and new apps to the zsi once you have your Z ;) |
| 13:32:21 | noidd | Cloudchaser: http://www.criticalintegration.com/zaurus/software/crit-sniffit_0.3.7-0.1_arm.ipk |
| 13:32:35 | ranf | NetAmp: haven't even seen a crocodile today. So why would I look for a hunter? |
| 13:32:37 | NetAmp | killefiz: err... I guess ;) haha |
| 13:32:44 | NetAmp | ranf: hah |
| 13:33:23 | NetAmp | Hm what more cool apps can I download to try on the Z... |
| 13:33:33 | NetAmp | Oh I know I'll go check the ZSI ;) |
| 13:33:41 | noidd | NetAmp: do you have an ethernet or wireless card? |
| 13:33:50 | NetAmp | Ethernet :( |
| 13:33:53 | NetAmp | err |
| 13:34:01 | NetAmp | in my PC I mean |
| 13:34:09 | noidd | NetAmp: on your Z :-P{ |
| 13:34:12 | NetAmp | No CF |
| 13:34:34 | NetAmp | Maybe I'll get one... is there BlueTooth already? |
| 13:34:42 | NetAmp | my mainboard supports BT |
| 13:34:58 | djax | Lo |
| 13:35:03 | NetAmp | though it's probably quite expensive :( |
| 13:35:16 | NetAmp | noidd: What do you use? wlan? |
| 13:35:38 | noidd | at the moment nothing |
| 13:36:07 | noidd | NetAmp: I've just ported a network sniffer - since I dont have wireness or ethernet I was looking for someone to test it before I post it up |
| 13:36:37 | NetAmp | ow.. ok... actually I don't have my Zaurus yet ;) |
| 13:36:37 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 13:36:57 | Cloudchaser | ok first problem |
| 13:37:01 | Cloudchaser | won't install to SD card |
| 13:37:07 | NetAmp | I'll be happy with the usbnet for I while... |
| 13:37:18 | Cloudchaser | NetAmp: no you won't! |
| 13:37:27 | NetAmp | why not :P |
| 13:37:34 | noidd | Cloudchaser: ah, I dont have an SD card so i'm probably missing how to do that |
| 13:37:36 | Cloudchaser | its a pita |
| 13:37:43 | noidd | reaches for the FAQ |
| 13:37:54 | Cloudchaser | can you install it to CF card noidd:? |
| 13:38:04 | noidd | Cloudchaser: dont have a CF card yet either |
| 13:38:13 | Cloudchaser | hmm i remember one thing warmi said |
| 13:38:24 | Cloudchaser | can't have spaces in file or something like that |
| 13:38:33 | noidd | I dont |
| 13:38:38 | noidd | there is only one file in there |
| 13:38:43 | noidd | ./usr/bin/sniffit |
| 13:38:44 | noidd | thats it |
| 13:38:47 | noidd | thats the lot |
| 13:38:58 | Cloudchaser | ok its installing to ram |
| 13:39:10 | noidd | maybe /usr/bin apps cant be installed on the SD / CF cards? |
| 13:39:13 | noidd | guessed |
| 13:39:14 | Cloudchaser | need to work on the card thing |
| 13:39:14 | noidd | guesses |
| 13:39:18 | Cloudchaser | dunno |
| 13:39:25 | Cloudchaser | one of the dev's probly could help you there |
| 13:39:31 | noidd | yeah - all my packages will suffer from that then |
| 13:39:40 | Cloudchaser | im running low on spaces o i try to install to sd |
| 13:39:41 | noidd | I copied qpe-terminal ipk |
| 13:40:10 | Cloudchaser | so its command line only? |
| 13:40:12 | noidd | Cloudchaser: its a command line sniffer, not GUI |
| 13:40:14 | noidd | yup |
| 13:40:31 | Cloudchaser | how do i start it? |
| 13:40:36 | noidd | you need to run the rotate application |
| 13:40:43 | noidd | then terminal |
| 13:40:52 | noidd | that will give you a sideways terminal |
| 13:41:03 | killefiz | noidd: it doesn't create a link to /usr/bin when installing to sd |
| 13:41:12 | killefiz | the binary is there at /mnt/card/usr/bin/sniffit |
| 13:41:33 | noidd | killefiz: so I have to create pre and post scripts for it? |
| 13:41:40 | noidd | to make the symlinks? |
| 13:41:43 | Cloudchaser | ok done |
| 13:41:45 | noidd | or is there a nicer way? :-) |
| 13:41:57 | Cloudchaser | at command..just type sniffit? |
| 13:41:57 | noidd | ok, change the font to micro |
| 13:41:58 | killefiz | noidd: i think it should be easier then that but I don't know how ;) |
| 13:42:14 | noidd | do an ifconfig -a |
| 13:42:23 | noidd | so you know which device your wireless card is |
| 13:42:28 | noidd | (I dont know) |
| 13:42:46 | noidd | then sniffit -i -F interfacename |
| 13:42:49 | Cloudchaser | bleh sideways is icky |
| 13:43:10 | noidd | it wont matter when it runs as you'll only be using the arrow keys anyways |
| 13:44:00 | Cloudchaser | ok did that |
| 13:44:02 | George- | anyone got one of those 1.6GB CF Type II cards yet? |
| 13:44:11 | noidd | George-: Whoa |
| 13:44:12 | noidd | ;-) |
| 13:44:12 | Cloudchaser | now what? |
| 13:44:17 | killefiz | noidd: why do you link to libncurses4? |
| 13:44:47 | George- | noidd: yeh, it's pretty big |
| 13:45:00 | noidd | sighs, I know |
| 13:45:02 | Cloudchaser | take out the "make sure you hve read the docs carefully if there's no docs :) |
| 13:45:19 | noidd | I try to build a dymanic version and the linker blows up |
| 13:45:23 | Cloudchaser | ok i did that .. now what? |
| 13:45:37 | noidd | the applications build process is designed to produce a static binariy |
| 13:45:38 | Cloudchaser | back at a prompt |
| 13:45:41 | noidd | Cloudchaser: oh |
| 13:45:43 | killefiz | noidd: at least OZ doesn't include a link for libncurses.so.4 ... creating it and pointing to libncuses5 does work |
| 13:46:13 | noidd | killefiz: it is beyond my skills to make it ddynamic |
| 13:46:21 | noidd | Cloudchaser: it just exited ? |
| 13:47:00 | noidd | you're using the rotated terminal with the font at micro? |
| 13:47:12 | noidd | the screen has to be 71 colums across |
| 13:47:22 | Cloudchaser | said "forcing device to eth0 (user request)...Make sure you have read the docs carefullly. Supported network device found (eth0) Entering shared memory at 0x4019f000. |
| 13:47:26 | noidd | so you cant have the pickboard/virtual keyboard up |
| 13:47:40 | Cloudchaser | oh and shared 37108 |
| 13:47:45 | Cloudchaser | i don't have it up |
| 13:47:52 | Cloudchaser | then i got prompt agian |
| 13:48:02 | noidd | Cloudchaser: do you have at leats 70 columns? |
| 13:48:13 | Cloudchaser | no idea |
| 13:48:21 | Cloudchaser | using embedded-konsole |
| 13:48:27 | noidd | which font are you using in your terminal session? |
| 13:48:30 | killefiz | noidd: i'm telnetting into my z. Pressing F2 in sniffit crashes it.Network device found... BUT not known by Sniffit, use '-F <netw device>' option! |
| 13:48:34 | killefiz | Read the README.FIRST on how to force network devices. |
| 13:48:39 | killefiz | sorry |
| 13:48:43 | Cloudchaser | medium fixed |
| 13:48:51 | killefiz | noidd: i'm telnetting into my z. Pressing F2 in sniffit crashes |
| 13:48:52 | noidd | killefiz: you have to use the -F devicename |
| 13:49:32 | noidd | hmm, looks like I may have to wait until I get a CF network card before I work on this anymore |
| 13:49:34 | killefiz | noidd: only my latest line contains what i had to say - the rest was cut and paste error |
| 13:49:34 | Cloudchaser | changing font size doesn't give you more columns |
| 13:50:15 | killefiz | so F2 kills it and changing the xterm size kills it too |
| 13:50:25 | noidd | Cloudchaser: it does here |
| 13:50:44 | noidd | ok, back to the drawinig board |
| 13:50:52 | Cloudchaser | does where? |
| 13:50:57 | noidd | noothing is ever simple :-) |
| 13:51:09 | Cloudchaser | i put it on smaller size and still shows same stuff on each line |
| 13:51:15 | Cloudchaser | just makes text smaller |
| 13:51:18 | noidd | on my Z Cloudchaser... reduceing the font size increases the number of columns |
| 13:51:27 | Cloudchaser | you sure? |
| 13:51:31 | noidd | Cloudchaser: which make more room for more columns |
| 13:51:37 | noidd | yup |
| 13:51:47 | NetAmp | hm.. |
| 13:51:59 | Cloudchaser | doesnt for me |
| 13:52:06 | NetAmp | different term app maybe? |
| 13:52:13 | Cloudchaser | either one i used |
| 13:52:21 | Cloudchaser | sharps or embedded |
| 13:53:21 | noidd | Cloudchaser: give up on it, i'll wait until I get my own card then I can release it after i've done all the testing |
| 13:53:29 | Cloudchaser | oh i'm sorry |
| 13:53:31 | Cloudchaser | i am wrong ;( |
| 13:53:31 | noidd | works fine here on my usbd0 interface |
| 13:53:44 | Cloudchaser | hold a sec i'll try it with small |
| 13:53:45 | noidd | Cloudchaser: does it work now? |
| 13:54:04 | Cloudchaser | nope |
| 13:54:06 | Cloudchaser | same result |
| 13:54:13 | noidd | Cloudchaser: try it with micro |
| 13:54:14 | Cloudchaser | if it works, what do i see? |
| 13:54:25 | noidd | a nice big curses interface |
| 13:54:53 | Cloudchaser | same result as far as i can tell |
| 13:55:02 | Cloudchaser | hard to see though :) |
| 13:55:20 | noidd | Cloudchaser: hehe - you'd be able to tell - its a compelkete change |
| 13:55:29 | Cloudchaser | ok gonna uninstall.. i'll test more when you want me to :) |
| 13:55:31 | noidd | Cloudchaser: yeah remove it - we tried, we failed |
| 13:55:38 | noidd | thanks - much appreciated |
| 13:55:52 | Cloudchaser | any time.. its about the only way i can help :) |
| 13:55:58 | noidd | that was the first cross-compile i've done that required "convincing" |
| 13:56:07 | noidd | sadly I didn't use a big enough axe |
| 13:56:17 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 13:56:21 | Cloudchaser | it did uninstall fine ;) |
| 13:57:08 | Cloudchaser | need one that will do caps that can be read with sniffer |
| 13:58:06 | noidd | brb, buying some software |
| 14:01:32 | Cloudchaser | i have a question |
| 14:01:44 | Cloudchaser | if there's a commercial app.. not for linux/z |
| 14:01:49 | Cloudchaser | and you want to make it work on z |
| 14:01:56 | Cloudchaser | is that a no no? |
| 14:02:15 | George- | any OZ experts here? |
| 14:02:26 | George- | what does OZ mount as / |
| 14:02:26 | George- | ? |
| 14:02:28 | George- | because |
| 14:02:32 | George- | I wanna know :) |
| 14:02:56 | Mickey0 | George: do you want to see the output of mount ? |
| 14:03:03 | noidd | Cloudchaser: do you have source? |
| 14:03:10 | George- | Mickey0: er, I got it :) |
| 14:03:14 | George- | Mickey0: mtdblock4, right? |
| 14:03:31 | Mickey0 | George: exactly |
| 14:05:32 | George- | great |
| 14:05:41 | George- | I'm porting Intimate :) |
| 14:06:00 | Mickey0 | cool... but why? |
| 14:06:29 | George- | Intimate rocks |
| 14:06:37 | George- | Then I can have fully-blown Debian on my Zaurus |
| 14:10:33 | George- | wb ranf |
| 14:10:54 | ranf | George-: hmm slash exittotally kicked me out :-) |
| 14:11:08 | George- | haha |
| 14:11:59 | ranf | I am a newbie (just don't like it that much..) |
| 14:12:22 | George- | heh |
| 14:12:26 | George- | get a decent IRC client |
| 14:12:28 | George- | like, XChat |
| 14:13:50 | ranf | does it make *that* difference |
| 14:14:19 | ranf | ? |
| 14:18:18 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 07:46:45) |
| 14:24:25 | Cloudchaser | hiya W|GGL|T |
| 14:25:57 | George- | ranf: what? |
| 14:25:59 | George- | ranf: yes |
| 14:26:02 | George- | ok |
| 14:26:07 | George- | the zaurus kernel is retarded |
| 14:26:15 | NetAmp | heh |
| 14:26:39 | George- | on OZ, is the PCMCIA support (ie - CF support) built in to the kernel, or as a module? |
| 14:26:48 | George- | cos I can't find ide-cs.o or whatever |
| 14:28:01 | noidd | hmm, what do you do when a credit card transaction hangs. |
| 14:28:05 | noidd | hit it again? |
| 14:28:07 | noidd | :-) |
| 14:29:25 | George- | yeh |
| 14:29:34 | George- | and if they send you the bill twice, shout :) |
| 14:32:41 | noidd | has anyone here ever bought anything from thekompany.com? |
| 14:33:10 | Cloudchaser | yep |
| 14:33:16 | Cloudchaser | i have alot of their apps |
| 14:33:20 | Cloudchaser | most of them |
| 14:33:34 | Cloudchaser | like them alot |
| 14:33:44 | noidd | Cloudchaser: I just went through the purchase thing - clicked on the download page and I ended up at the front |
| 14:34:03 | noidd | is there a download url that I can login via? |
| 14:34:14 | Cloudchaser | hmm.. earth to BigBoss! |
| 14:34:24 | Cloudchaser | he's the man to see about that kind of problem |
| 14:34:36 | noidd | checks for a url in his email |
| 14:34:46 | Cloudchaser | maybe soemthing wrong in your info? |
| 14:34:50 | Cloudchaser | try again? |
| 14:35:09 | noidd | I have a transaction ID |
| 14:35:13 | noidd | so they have my cash :-) |
| 14:35:38 | noidd | I dont want to hit back a re-post the form data for obvious reasons :-) |
| 14:36:01 | Cloudchaser | oh |
| 14:36:23 | Cloudchaser | nothing in your email? |
| 14:39:25 | noidd | yet, got transaction confirmation, username and password etc |
| 14:39:38 | noidd | but none of it contains a download url etc |
| 14:40:41 | noidd | found it |
| 14:40:52 | noidd | wierd place to put it but found it anyways :-P |
| 14:41:59 | Cloudchaser | hmm when you ftp into your z from browser...what dir do you get to? |
| 14:42:15 | Cloudchaser | nm |
| 14:48:36 | ep0ch | is OZ 10.2b around? if so where can i get it? |
| 14:49:15 | ep0ch | anyone? |
| 14:49:18 | ep0ch | :) |
| 14:52:22 | ljp_ | flash b10 and update from the feed |
| 14:53:56 | ep0ch | okaaay |
| 14:54:14 | ep0ch | which feed? |
| 14:54:36 | zecke | openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0 |
| 14:54:44 | zecke | but it's inside your /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 15:23:44 | Cloudchaser | does anyone know anything about "Unison" |
| 15:29:38 | Cloudchaser | hiya! |
| 15:29:46 | ljp_work | inison? |
| 15:29:49 | [George] | OK |
| 15:29:49 | kergoth | hey.. |
| 15:29:50 | ljp_work | uninson? |
| 15:29:53 | kergoth | how is everyone |
| 15:29:54 | Cloudchaser | Unison |
| 15:29:58 | [George] | I've finished the flash initrd for intimate :) |
| 15:30:04 | Cloudchaser | http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ |
| 15:30:10 | Cloudchaser | doing pretty good kergoth |
| 15:30:11 | kergoth | [George]: hah, why? |
| 15:30:20 | [George] | kergoth: what? |
| 15:30:33 | [George] | kergoth: I'm porting intimate to the Z |
| 15:30:43 | kergoth | [George]: okay I'll ask again. why? |
| 15:30:44 | kergoth | :-P |
| 15:30:49 | kergoth | seemed clear enough |
| 15:30:50 | Cloudchaser | get a girlfriend! |
| 15:31:03 | [George] | kergoth: We need a nice big fat healthy and not-qtopia based distro for the Z IMHO |
| 15:31:29 | kergoth | [George]: openzaurus will have prebuilt picogui and X initrds fyi |
| 15:31:37 | kergoth | [George]: but sure, thats cool. the more options the better |
| 15:31:40 | [George] | kergoth: hah, cool |
| 15:31:48 | [George] | kergoth: I want KDE dammit :) |
| 15:31:51 | kergoth | ew |
| 15:32:04 | kergoth | use opie |
| 15:32:09 | ljp_work | heh embedded kde? right... |
| 15:32:10 | kergoth | there are enough kde devs working on it.. |
| 15:32:27 | [George] | ljp_work: no, full KDE on X |
| 15:32:37 | Cloudchaser | must be space issues there |
| 15:32:39 | [George] | kergoth: no offense, but Opie sucks |
| 15:32:43 | kergoth | [George]: on a pda? thats disgusting |
| 15:32:47 | [George] | kergoth: haha |
| 15:32:52 | kergoth | [George]: you're nuts if you think the kde window manage would be useful on a pda |
| 15:32:56 | kergoth | [George]: use matchbox |
| 15:33:07 | [George] | no, I want KDE :) |
| 15:33:07 | Cloudchaser | george don't insult people pleas |
| 15:33:11 | Cloudchaser | they work very hard |
| 15:33:22 | [George] | Cloudchaser: whoops, sorry |
| 15:33:29 | Cloudchaser | and have RL comittments too |
| 15:33:35 | [George] | Cloudchaser: It just really pisses me off how Opie tries to hide the FS from you |
| 15:33:38 | Cloudchaser | at 14, you might think you know everything |
| 15:33:47 | Cloudchaser | but trust me..you don't |
| 15:33:51 | [George] | Cloudchaser: I know I don't :) |
| 15:33:54 | kergoth | [George]: george, the zaurus doesnt target powerusers, it targets end users. |
| 15:34:08 | kergoth | [George]: The documents system was designed to accomidate that. |
| 15:34:10 | [George] | kergoth: I thought OpenZaurus was meant to target powerusers... |
| 15:34:13 | kergoth | [George]: wrong |
| 15:34:18 | ljp_work | you want the file system.. install embeddedkonsole |
| 15:34:21 | kergoth | [George]: the point to openzaurus is flexibility |
| 15:34:33 | [George] | yeh, well that's why I'm porting Intimate |
| 15:34:36 | kergoth | [George]: to create a distro that balances ease of use with power, for the Z |
| 15:34:39 | kergoth | [Georg |
| 15:34:43 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:34:46 | kergoth | damn enter |
| 15:35:06 | [George] | http://intimate.handhelds.org/screens.shtml |
| 15:35:13 | kergoth | I know what intimate is. |
| 15:35:14 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:35:19 | [George] | look at those screenies of KDE on the iPaq on Intimate |
| 15:35:22 | [George] | they look sweet :) |
| 15:35:27 | NetAmp|dinner | kergoth's a power user ;) |
| 15:35:40 | [George] | NetAmp|dinner: yeh, more so than me |
| 15:35:41 | NetAmp|dinner | I'm not *sigh* |
| 15:35:42 | NetAmp|dinner | hehe |
| 15:35:58 | treke|home | [George]: I take it you've never used a regular window manager on a pda :) |
| 15:36:00 | [George] | NetAmp: haha |
| 15:36:09 | treke|home | [George]: It seems more useful than it really is :) |
| 15:36:19 | [George] | treke_: I've run WindowMaker.. |
| 15:36:24 | [George] | treke_: but that's all |
| 15:36:28 | NetAmp | at least not on Linux... I was raised on the M$ family |
| 15:36:52 | treke|home | hehe windowmaker, what a choice for a low res environemtn :) |
| 15:37:04 | treke|home | thick title bars and 64pixel tiles by default :) |
| 15:37:12 | [George] | treke_: haha |
| 15:37:16 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 15:37:24 | [George] | http://rikkus.info/mini-kde.html |
| 15:37:28 | [George] | have you guys read that? |
| 15:37:35 | kergoth | oh fun.. generic.c:88: conflicting types for `cpufreq_get' |
| 15:37:39 | [George] | I'm sure we could adapt those ideas for a 320x240 screen :) |
| 15:38:12 | NetAmp | http://intimate.handhelds.org/jacques/screenies/snes9x3.png yay! :D |
| 15:38:13 | ljp_work | 'we'? |
| 15:38:20 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 15:38:20 | kergoth | The fact is, desktop graphical environments, and desktop applications, were not designed for use on a small screen, and with the user interface constraints of a pda. |
| 15:38:22 | NetAmp | fun o fun |
| 15:38:37 | [George] | ljp_work: ok, maybe "me" :) |
| 15:39:11 | [George] | ljp_work: the KDE pager could come in _very_ useful |
| 15:39:21 | [George] | ljp_work: giving much more space than possible in Opie |
| 15:39:24 | treke|home | [George]: intimate users arent exatly the best source of pda ideas :) I'm guessing most of these guys probably use a dual sleeve |
| 15:39:43 | [George] | treke|home: hmm? |
| 15:39:50 | NetAmp | dang I wanna play Mario World on my Z! ;) |
| 15:39:58 | ljp_work | why not just use familiar? |
| 15:40:07 | treke|home | Dual PCMCIA sleeve expansion pack. aka the brick |
| 15:40:34 | NetAmp | And the Matrix screensaver ;) |
| 15:40:35 | [George] | treke|home: haha |
| 15:40:57 | [George] | treke|home: I'm looking at one of those 1.6GB Type II cfs |
| 15:41:13 | Cloudchaser | probly won't work on z |
| 15:41:19 | Cloudchaser | if 512 wont work |
| 15:41:22 | ljp_work | and they are slow |
| 15:41:37 | treke|home | its about twice the thickness of an ipaq in a single pcmcia slot sleeve |
| 15:42:03 | [George] | Cloudchaser: 512 don't work in the Z? |
| 15:42:07 | [George] | Cloudchaser: wtF? |
| 15:42:13 | Cloudchaser | scuse me |
| 15:42:17 | Cloudchaser | that's just what i read |
| 15:42:33 | Cloudchaser | don't know for a fact |
| 15:42:36 | treke|home | and a microdrive is significanylu faster than a compact flash card |
| 15:42:46 | Cloudchaser | hotter too :) |
| 15:43:07 | treke|home | yup, they are hot little devices. /me drools |
| 15:43:11 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 15:43:52 | treke|home | has anyone looked at pocket linux lately? |
| 15:44:39 | sig | the magazine? |
| 15:44:52 | treke|home | maybe not. looks like development on the free version has stopped |
| 15:45:12 | NeoTron | damn it, mozilla now segfaults on startup without any warnnings or anything |
| 15:45:17 | NeoTron | and I didn't even upgrade mozilla |
| 15:45:32 | sig | NeoTron: run it in the terminal and see what error it gives you |
| 15:45:35 | treke|home | sig: pocketlinux.com. A java based handheld environement |
| 15:45:37 | sig | 'strace mozilla' |
| 15:45:48 | sig | treke|home: hmm |
| 15:46:44 | sig | treke|home: what is it, like a fake vnc of a fake pda? |
| 15:47:05 | treke|home | huh? |
| 15:47:12 | sig | what is it? |
| 15:47:23 | sig | Version 1.0 |
| 15:47:23 | sig | |
| 15:47:23 | sig | cvs has been permanently disabled! |
| 15:47:34 | treke|home | its a handheld environment. Like qpe is |
| 15:47:49 | sig | so its a fake pda environment on your pc |
| 15:47:50 | sig | ? |
| 15:48:05 | treke|home | no. On your pda |
| 15:48:12 | sig | hrrmm |
| 15:48:15 | treke|home | its a real pda environement on your real pda |
| 15:48:16 | sig | I see |
| 15:48:46 | sig | well I'm off, I have a lug to go to |
| 15:49:00 | sig | see what kind of free software I can get today |
| 15:49:01 | Cloudchaser | aww we don't have one of those near me |
| 15:49:03 | sig | is away |
| 15:49:16 | treke|home | made the mistake of going to one last night |
| 15:49:26 | Cloudchaser | why was it mistake? |
| 15:49:40 | Cloudchaser | i could really use a nice LUG ... |
| 15:50:13 | sig | my lug is bad ass |
| 15:50:15 | treke|home | Maybe its just me, but I was expecting something a bit more interesting than a discussion on downloading debian :) |
| 15:50:21 | sig | ok I'm out |
| 15:50:29 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 15:50:33 | NetAmp | sig: have fun |
| 15:50:43 | sig | treke|home: that does sound lame |
| 15:50:44 | sig | lol |
| 15:50:50 | treke|home | there's one a little farther away thats supposed to be a bit more interesting, not sure if I can convince myself to go to it now |
| 15:51:07 | sig | at mine they give out free software and it is like a install fest, lots of people and cookies and shit |
| 15:51:15 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 15:51:18 | Cloudchaser | cookies and shit |
| 15:51:22 | Cloudchaser | sounds appetizing |
| 15:51:22 | sig | they have people that come and speak at mine all the time |
| 15:51:29 | sig | ok cya |
| 15:51:32 | Cloudchaser | have fun! |
| 15:51:54 | treke|home | I guess the oxnard area just isnt into Linux much |
| 15:53:04 | [George] | ok |
| 15:53:09 | [George] | what's the bootflag.txt? |
| 15:53:39 | [George] | yay |
| 15:53:41 | [George] | flashing intimate :) |
| 15:54:58 | treke|home | [George]: I wouldnt recommend it |
| 15:54:58 | kergoth | [George]: bootflag.txt determines runlevel |
| 15:54:58 | treke|home | [George]: It is for different hardware :) |
| 15:54:58 | [George] | treke|home: I'm flashing my port of it to the Zaurus |
| 15:54:58 | [George] | treke|home: I just hope it works :) |
| 15:55:01 | kergoth | good luck |
| 15:55:23 | treke|home | good luck |
| 15:55:23 | kergoth | hey hardwire |
| 15:55:24 | kergoth | whats goin on? |
| 15:55:26 | whardier | w3rd up |
| 15:55:30 | [George] | ty |
| 15:55:40 | whardier | nothing much.. !!! |
| 15:55:42 | whardier | I NEED MONEYS! |
| 15:55:43 | NetAmp | Qtopia also looks sweet on the display of my digicam ;) |
| 15:55:45 | kergoth | anyone have the url to those stats on #zaurus i had last night? |
| 15:55:46 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 15:55:53 | kergoth | whardier: yeh dont we all |
| 15:55:54 | NetAmp | (screenshot that is :P) |
| 15:56:06 | | report is http://sigkill9.tripod.com/zaurus.html |
| 15:56:06 | NetAmp | ibot: report |
| 15:56:21 | whardier | I am gonna go see Paul Oakenfold tonight |
| 15:56:23 | whardier | runs around in circles |
| 15:56:27 | treke|home | kergoth: They arent updated much |
| 15:56:29 | Cloudchaser | whardier! |
| 15:56:30 | kergoth | whardier: nice |
| 15:56:31 | treke|home | last update was in june |
| 15:56:36 | Cloudchaser | how the heck are ya! |
| 15:56:40 | whardier | ho Cloudchaser ! |
| 15:56:41 | kergoth | treke|home: i know. just want to bookmark it |
| 15:56:41 | whardier | err |
| 15:56:42 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:56:42 | whardier | hi |
| 15:57:11 | whardier | you are not a ho |
| 15:57:11 | whardier | AFAIK |
| 15:57:11 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 15:57:11 | Cloudchaser | me? |
| 15:57:11 | NetAmp | rofl |
| 15:57:12 | whardier | is a wittle hoe bag |
| 15:57:27 | [George] | kergoth: Is the bootflag.txt absolutely mandatory? or is it only needed if the distro ur shoving on needs it? |
| 15:57:30 | ljp_work | wants to be a dirty little ho bag |
| 15:57:35 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 15:57:43 | whardier | takes his wittle hoe boots off at the door |
| 15:57:54 | treke|home | ljp_work: Trying to graduate out of hippy eh? |
| 15:57:54 | kergoth | [George]: huh? |
| 15:58:04 | [George] | kergoth: is the bootflag.txt needed? |
| 15:58:10 | djax | Is there a tut to make ipk packages? |
| 15:58:13 | kergoth | [George]: its an override on the runlevel. if the contents of it are invalid (i.e. OZ30) then it falls back to the runlevel setting in the inittab |
| 15:58:15 | whardier | if anybody is interested in bridging wireless to wired networks |
| 15:58:18 | [George] | kergoth: or is it only needed if the distro that is being flashed on needs it |
| 15:58:19 | whardier | I suggest parprouted |
| 15:58:19 | kergoth | [George]: yes, its required for the flash procedure. |
| 15:58:27 | [George] | oh crap |
| 15:58:28 | kergoth | [George]: it has NOTHING to do with the distro |
| 15:58:29 | whardier | I wanna get that working on the Z |
| 15:58:30 | [George] | I didn't flash it :) |
| 15:58:53 | whardier | I also wanna rip the gutz out of OZ and make a guiless system for some testing |
| 15:58:54 | whardier | but .. oh well |
| 15:59:03 | kergoth | whardier: hows your projects going |
| 15:59:07 | whardier | kergoth: pretty well |
| 15:59:09 | [George] | whardier: press / on bootup, I suppose |
| 16:00:57 | kergoth | [George]: huh? |
| 16:00:58 | whardier | [George] well I need opies huge ass out for more space |
| 16:00:58 | whardier | heh |
| 16:00:58 | treke|home | whardier: Maybe an ipaq 3100 would be cheaper to use? |
| 16:00:58 | kergoth | [George]: OZ doesnt have that facility, for one. for two he's just create a new initrd |
| 16:00:58 | whardier | treke I am thinking when I get some moolah I am gonna buy a lot of different pda's |
| 16:00:58 | kergoth | brb |
| 16:00:58 | ljp_work | kergoth: where in opie could we create #define QT_QWS_OPIE ? where would be the best place? |
| 16:00:58 | whardier | HOE BAG R US! |
| 16:00:59 | [George] | brilliant |
| 16:00:59 | [George] | this isn't booting |
| 16:00:59 | [George] | wahoo |
| 16:00:59 | whardier | is a debian hoe |
| 16:00:59 | whardier | er |
| 16:00:59 | treke|home | nice thing about the 3100s are that they should be dirt cheap by now |
| 16:00:59 | whardier | make that debian pimp |
| 16:00:59 | whardier | I have lots of little debian hoes working for me |
| 16:01:00 | treke|home | whardier: man you aint no pimp |
| 16:01:00 | whardier | I am too |
| 16:01:00 | whardier | have you seen the size of my hard drive?! |
| 16:01:15 | treke|home | whardier: your just compensating |
| 16:01:20 | [George] | kergoth: ok, how does the bootflag.txt work? |
| 16:01:23 | ljp_work | I've got more than one hard drive |
| 16:01:26 | whardier | hehe |
| 16:01:30 | whardier | ljp_work wins |
| 16:01:36 | kergoth | [George]: er, i just told you |
| 16:01:42 | kergoth | [George]: scroll up |
| 16:01:45 | ljp_work | my hard drives are scsi, too |
| 16:01:52 | whardier | treke|home I need a 3100 + PCMCIA stuffins |
| 16:02:03 | whardier | instead I am gonna save up and buy a lot of bitsy's |
| 16:02:08 | Titan818 | is there any other mail client software besides the one that was included w/Z? |
| 16:02:11 | [George] | so it just specifies the runlevel? |
| 16:02:17 | [George] | In the kernel? |
| 16:02:17 | kergoth | Titan818: opie-mail2 |
| 16:02:22 | [George] | What if there's no runlevels? |
| 16:02:30 | treke|home | Titan818: thekompany is working on a mail application that should be out soon. |
| 16:02:30 | | whardier: no idea |
| 16:02:30 | whardier | ibot bitsy? |
| 16:02:34 | kergoth | [George]: intimate doesnt use sysvinit? |
| 16:02:38 | treke|home | There's opie-mail2, but I've yet to see that work :) |
| 16:02:50 | Titan818 | hmm |
| 16:03:24 | [George] | kergoth: erm, it uses a small initrd, which is in the flash rom, to kick up the cardmgr etc, and then pivot_root's to /dev/hda1, then boots a *true* system |
| 16:03:38 | [George] | kergoth: I'm trying to boot the small initrd |
| 16:03:47 | | OK, whardier. |
| 16:03:47 | whardier | ibot bitsy is at http://www.applieddata.net/products_bitsy.asp |
| 16:03:51 | | bitsy is at http://www.applieddata.net/products_bitsy.asp |
| 16:03:51 | whardier | ibot bitsy? |
| 16:04:02 | [George] | kergoth: and my kernel has set: mem=32M init=/linuxrc.intimate root=/dev/mtdblock/4 |
| 16:04:05 | kergoth | okay, so? |
| 16:04:12 | kergoth | [George]: that doesnt mean they dont use runlevels. |
| 16:04:15 | [George] | kergoth: maybe I got the root= wrong? |
| 16:04:25 | [George] | kergoth: I know that the initrd doesn't have runlevels :) |
| 16:04:28 | kergoth | [George]: root=/dev/mtdblock4, not /dev/mtdblock/4 |
| 16:04:37 | [George] | kergoth: it's using devfs |
| 16:04:47 | kergoth | [George]: what kernel are you using? |
| 16:04:47 | [George] | kergoth: and on devfs, it's /dev/mtdblock/4 |
| 16:04:54 | [George] | kergoth: 2.4.6 from OZ |
| 16:04:58 | [George] | kergoth: with a custom config |
| 16:05:07 | kergoth | [George]: why dont you do it one step at a time |
| 16:05:08 | whardier | woot! |
| 16:05:15 | kergoth | [George]: you change 42 different things you dont know whats broken. |
| 16:05:19 | [George] | kergoth: haha |
| 16:05:21 | kergoth | [George]: take it one step at a time. |
| 16:05:24 | whardier | you guys have mastered the IRC peer to peer protocol |
| 16:05:30 | kergoth | [George]: altere initrd with a stock oz kernel, go from there. |
| 16:05:36 | kergoth | whardier: hah |
| 16:05:45 | [George] | kergoth: I can't, because that definitely wouldn't work |
| 16:05:58 | kergoth | [George]: then good luck |
| 16:06:00 | [George] | kergoth: I _need_ the init=/linuxrc.intimate |
| 16:06:06 | whardier | I am apparently downloading spiderman |
| 16:06:22 | kergoth | [George]: so ONLY change that |
| 16:06:32 | kergoth | [George]: you're not getting the point. the more vairables you change, the more possible points of failure |
| 16:06:39 | Titan818 | I cant seem to find opie-mail; where can i get it? |
| 16:06:42 | kergoth | whardier: nice |
| 16:07:06 | whardier | its actually a pretty good screen rip |
| 16:07:18 | [George] | kergoth: I realise that... |
| 16:07:20 | kergoth | damn good movie |
| 16:07:22 | ljp_work | dl'ing the _actual_ spider man himself? |
| 16:07:39 | kergoth | [George]: then isolate. remove unnecessary changes until its obvious where the problem lies. |
| 16:08:05 | whardier | decides to apply to be a megapath reseller |
| 16:08:05 | [George] | kergoth: I think the problem is in the fact that there is no /dev in the initrd I've flashed on |
| 16:08:09 | [George] | kergoth: does that make a difference? |
| 16:08:30 | kergoth | [George]: uh, yeah. without /dev, it will fail to open() /dev/console, for one. |
| 16:08:36 | [George] | ahhh |
| 16:08:37 | [George] | cool |
| 16:08:38 | [George] | ok |
| 16:09:15 | kergoth | [George]: and when does devfs get mounted? |
| 16:09:23 | kergoth | [George]: at the initrd stage, or at the rootfs stage? |
| 16:10:30 | noidd | 'lo |
| 16:10:41 | kergoth | re noidd |
| 16:10:43 | Cloudchaser | holy toledo! there's a huge waspnest in my back doorway! |
| 16:10:55 | kergoth | ack |
| 16:10:56 | kergoth | thats not good |
| 16:10:57 | [George] | time to flash a new system on :) |
| 16:11:13 | [George] | kergoth: I have a kernel option set "Mount devfs at boot" |
| 16:11:13 | kergoth | [George]: distro level stuff is largely trial and error, if you havent noticed that yet. |
| 16:11:16 | kergoth | [George]: hehe |
| 16:11:19 | kergoth | [George]: ah |
| 16:11:21 | Titan818 | treke|home: where can i get opie-mail |
| 16:11:37 | treke|home | Titan818: http://opie.info |
| 16:11:42 | [George] | kergoth: hah |
| 16:11:47 | Titan818 | thanks |
| 16:11:48 | [George] | kergoth: trial and error, eh? |
| 16:11:56 | noidd | re kergoth |
| 16:11:58 | kergoth | [George]: yep. flash, test. broken. try again. broken. try again. |
| 16:15:22 | kergoth | ehh |
| 16:15:22 | noidd | haha, sounds good :-) |
| 16:15:22 | kergoth | anyone played warcraft 3 yet? was about to install it |
| 16:15:22 | noidd | is doing something a little lighter |
| 16:15:23 | treke|home | kergoth: fund game |
| 16:15:23 | treke|home | er fun |
| 16:15:23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:15:23 | noidd | writing a conduit to get all his bank details into tkcKapital |
| 16:15:23 | kergoth | i figure with war3 + nwn i'm set |
| 16:15:23 | treke|home | only played it offline. Plays a lot like WC2/SC |
| 16:15:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:15:23 | kergoth | good |
| 16:15:23 | noidd | nice and easy, in theory |
| 16:15:24 | treke|home | I pretty much ignore the heroes and enjoy it |
| 16:15:24 | treke|home | If you actually use the heros, it probably plays differently |
| 16:15:24 | kergoth | hmm i'll have to experiment |
| 16:15:24 | [George] | kergoth: I don't want to wear out all my CF writes before tomorrow, y'know :) |
| 16:15:24 | [George] | hmm |
| 16:15:24 | [George] | 250KB initrd = fast flashing :) |
| 16:15:24 | [George] | kergoth: what I really don't understand, though, is that with the sharp rom, it shows / as being /dev/mtdblock1 or something |
| 16:15:24 | treke|home | I'm still waiting anxiously for nwn |
| 16:15:25 | [George] | kergoth: with OZ, it's /dev/mtdblock4 |
| 16:15:25 | [George] | kergoth: oh, and to make the jffs2 initrd, I did mkfs.jffs2 * -o ../initrd.bin |
| 16:15:25 | [George] | kergoth: is that correct? |
| 16:15:25 | kergoth | [George]: uhh i'd recommend padding the initrd with 0xff's to the full mtd size |
| 16:15:25 | kergoth | [George]: yes, oz uses a different mtd driver. |
| 16:15:25 | [George] | kergoth: yeh, I've played it |
| 16:15:25 | kergoth | [George]: which is how we have a writable rootfs. |
| 16:15:25 | kergoth | s/rootfs/flash/ |
| 16:15:25 | kergoth | man i cant compose sentences well today |
| 16:15:28 | whardier | I am gonna make some techno |
| 16:15:31 | whardier | with some tool in it |
| 16:15:38 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:15:40 | kergoth | thatd be sweet |
| 16:15:48 | whardier | Parabol |
| 16:15:53 | whardier | would make SWEEET SWEET music |
| 16:15:59 | kergoth | parabol? |
| 16:16:30 | ljp_work | wants to go see Jewel |
| 16:16:35 | kergoth | whardier: i bought a laptop, then found out i could upgrade the screen to 1600x1200 for $20, so I'm rejecting the shipment and gettinga refund so i can buy it again. hehe |
| 16:16:45 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/bastard/mp3/TOOL-Lateralus/06-parabol.mp3 |
| 16:16:52 | kergoth | hmm oops |
| 16:16:53 | kergoth | collie.c:76: `CF_BUF_CTRL_BASE' undeclared |
| 16:16:58 | whardier | kergoth dude |
| 16:16:58 | [George] | ok |
| 16:16:59 | whardier | 1600x1200! |
| 16:17:00 | [George] | I think someone is hacking my machine |
| 16:17:02 | [George] | how do I check? :) |
| 16:17:09 | whardier | [George] I dunno.. let me in |
| 16:17:12 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:17:17 | ljp_work | pull the plug, and reinstall |
| 16:17:19 | kergoth | whardier: yeah, dell inspiron 8200 |
| 16:17:23 | whardier | kergoth you ass |
| 16:17:28 | [George] | whardier: haha |
| 16:17:30 | kergoth | me ass? |
| 16:17:31 | whardier | weren't we supposed to win a few laptops? |
| 16:17:31 | kergoth | you ass |
| 16:17:37 | kergoth | hah, i wish |
| 16:17:50 | whardier | OZ is the glue to the Zaurus |
| 16:17:58 | kergoth | yeah but its not an app, disqualified |
| 16:17:59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:18:03 | whardier | it keeps the keyboard protector from falling off |
| 16:18:12 | kergoth | whardier: hey. 2.5.x mounts the rootfs! |
| 16:18:18 | whardier | sweet |
| 16:18:23 | kergoth | dances a jig |
| 16:18:28 | kergoth | i need alcohol |
| 16:18:30 | whardier | trips kergoth |
| 16:18:33 | whardier | runs off with the Dell |
| 16:18:33 | kergoth | bitch |
| 16:18:34 | ranf | [George]: netstat -a for a start |
| 16:18:34 | ljp_work | http://people.trustcommerce.com/~adam/top10/wrong.html |
| 16:18:38 | whardier | Dude.. I have your dell!! |
| 16:18:43 | kergoth | god i hate that kid |
| 16:18:49 | kergoth | somebody needs to shoot that annoying motherfucker |
| 16:18:53 | kergoth | on the dell commercials |
| 16:18:55 | kergoth | hey [DrEvil] |
| 16:19:00 | whardier | hahahaha |
| 16:19:07 | whardier | you assume [DrEvil] will do it? |
| 16:19:18 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 16:19:19 | [DrEvil] | he is a pothead |
| 16:19:25 | [DrEvil] | now |
| 16:19:26 | NetAmp | for enough ca$h... |
| 16:19:28 | whardier | I am stuch on cable now |
| 16:19:31 | whardier | stuck even |
| 16:19:32 | [DrEvil] | I have a question to ask |
| 16:19:34 | whardier | no more OC-3 |
| 16:19:38 | [George] | ranf: how do I check network connection history (incoming) over the past 5 minutes |
| 16:19:38 | [George] | ? |
| 16:19:45 | whardier | [George] haha |
| 16:19:46 | whardier | dude |
| 16:19:50 | whardier | that would be a big log in most cases |
| 16:19:51 | whardier | first off |
| 16:19:52 | [DrEvil] | is the new OZ beta out? |
| 16:19:54 | whardier | check your auth.log |
| 16:19:57 | whardier | and do a quick netstat |
| 16:20:03 | whardier | also check for /.bash_history in your / |
| 16:20:14 | whardier | and any unknown users in /etc/passwd |
| 16:20:15 | noidd | [George]: and do a last |
| 16:20:21 | [DrEvil] | at least Taco Bell had the courtesy to get rid of the dog when it became annoying |
| 16:20:26 | whardier | also check /etc/inetd.conf for anything anybody might have added |
| 16:20:32 | [George] | blah |
| 16:20:34 | [George] | shut up :) |
| 16:20:43 | noidd | [DrEvil]: yes, but they didn't drop it in acid for us tho did they |
| 16:20:44 | whardier | who? |
| 16:21:10 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: no new oz, because ipkg/C x86 is still segfaulting |
| 16:21:12 | [George] | whardier: you :) |
| 16:21:14 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: stupid shit |
| 16:21:35 | whardier | why? |
| 16:25:00 | whardier | I was being helpfull no? |
| 16:25:00 | [George] | whardier: i dunno :) |
| 16:25:00 | noidd | those tossers at my bank have changed the download format *AGAIN* |
| 16:25:01 | ljp_work | George: and check for whardiers ip in your logs somewhere |
| 16:25:01 | whardier | goo didea as well |
| 16:25:01 | [George] | ljp_work: hah |
| 16:25:01 | ljp_work | gggeezzz the Embedix sdk is huge |
| 16:25:01 | ljp_work | needs 1.5 gb |
| 16:25:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:25:02 | ljp_work | but it doesn't lik emy system, it wont install |
| 16:25:20 | [George] | right |
| 16:25:21 | [George] | ok |
| 16:25:29 | [George] | I'm gonna setup one big mutha fuckah of a firewall |
| 16:25:55 | ljp_work | doesnt have to be big... and old p133 will do fine |
| 16:26:00 | kergoth | heh, s/big mutha fuckah of a/really fucking effective/ |
| 16:26:24 | [George] | kergoth: haha |
| 16:26:33 | [George] | kergoth: yeh, block all those damn incoming connections |
| 16:26:36 | Titan818 | hey, someone here linked to a picture of a penguin with a flamethrower and Windows. where was that? |
| 16:26:48 | [George] | kergoth: that's the SuSE firewall's default practise, and I'm happy with that :) |
| 16:27:02 | Titan818 | if anyone remembers |
| 16:27:12 | [George] | Titan818: check ibot's logs |
| 16:27:13 | | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/ |
| 16:27:13 | [George] | ibot logs |
| 16:27:32 | [George] | so http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/zaurus is what you want |
| 16:27:42 | [George] | then you have to remember the day that it was |
| 16:27:48 | [George] | :) |
| 16:27:54 | | [George]: i'm not following you... |
| 16:27:54 | [George] | ibot grep logs for http |
| 16:28:00 | [George] | screw ball :) |
| 16:28:09 | toolafial-home | Is there no usbd driver in OpenZaurus? |
| 16:28:21 | [George] | toolafial-home: there was when I last checked |
| 16:28:32 | toolafial-home | one min |
| 16:28:40 | [DrEvil] | the Zaurus is not a usb host |
| 16:29:35 | toolafial-home | yea, I know it's not a usb host, more like a usb device and I did an if config and sure enough it's there |
| 16:29:37 | toolafial-home | duh |
| 16:29:43 | [George] | heh, enough initimate'ing for one day |
| 16:29:48 | [George] | I'll just flash OZ back on :) |
| 16:30:18 | ljp_work | hehehe.. easier to start with OZ and remove opie if yuo want x |
| 16:30:37 | NetAmp | "Yes, we all love apt-get, but looking at the numbers, we see that Debian is less than 10% of all Linux users." |
| 16:30:58 | [George] | ljp_work: hah, I want KDE as well |
| 16:31:01 | [DrEvil] | Debian Beatniks |
| 16:31:04 | [George] | (ok ok, call me an evil bastard) |
| 16:31:38 | ljp_work | george: youre going to have to do a bunch of portingfor kde |
| 16:31:47 | mark | ljp_work: whats he porting? |
| 16:31:51 | ljp_work | kde |
| 16:31:56 | [George] | ljp_work: haha |
| 16:32:00 | mark | :) |
| 16:32:03 | NetAmp | Yah being all intimate with a device is evil indeed... |
| 16:32:23 | mark | does anyone have usbdnet-2.4.18.patch.gz about? the site its hosted on is down |
| 16:32:29 | [George] | yes I do |
| 16:32:30 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 16:32:30 | [George] | I DO! :) |
| 16:32:43 | mark | [George]: dcc or email it will you |
| 16:32:58 | [George] | mark: only if you tell me what ur ebusiness is |
| 16:32:59 | [George] | =P |
| 16:33:00 | [DrEvil] | install Mangdrake 8.2 |
| 16:33:09 | [DrEvil] | it has the usbdnet in the kernel already |
| 16:33:37 | mark | [DrEvil]: fat chance :P |
| 16:33:51 | [DrEvil] | are you a debian beatnik? |
| 16:33:55 | kergoth | i forgot to test the redhat 7.3 rpm for spencer |
| 16:33:57 | kergoth | oops |
| 16:33:58 | kergoth | hey mark |
| 16:34:10 | [George] | mark: sent |
| 16:34:11 | mark | hi kergoth |
| 16:34:16 | mark | [George]: cheers |
| 16:34:28 | [George] | strange |
| 16:34:35 | mark | [DrEvil]: debian on my server box, gentoo on my desktop, w2000 on my desktop and OZ on my pda :) |
| 16:34:42 | [George] | pressing the eject button for my CD drive just started it spinning |
| 16:35:07 | mark | [George]: mounted? |
| 16:35:07 | ljp_work | wants to invent a cdrom where the buttons are ABOVE the tray |
| 16:35:19 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:35:22 | [George] | mark: it's s/w eject |
| 16:35:31 | [George] | mark" ie - pressing it launches "eject" |
| 16:35:40 | [George] | mark: This *is* an apple mac :) |
| 16:35:48 | [DrEvil] | how about the drive on the Mac Cube |
| 16:35:53 | [DrEvil] | just wave your hand over it |
| 16:36:04 | [George] | [DrEvil]: what? seriously? |
| 16:36:27 | [DrEvil] | I recall not having to press anything to eject |
| 16:36:30 | kergoth | i think more apps should use gesture recognition |
| 16:36:33 | kergoth | I love opera's |
| 16:36:39 | mark | kergoth: some guy wrote a gesture recognition thing for kde |
| 16:36:40 | [DrEvil] | there was a spot of light that you bring your finger close to and it ejects |
| 16:36:54 | mark | [DrEvil]: does it keen ejecting in the dark? :P |
| 16:36:54 | [DrEvil] | what does it do if you give it the finger? |
| 16:37:06 | kergoth | mark: oo |
| 16:37:09 | kergoth | mark: nifty |
| 16:37:17 | mark | kergoth: it was 2.2, mike pilone iirc |
| 16:37:38 | [DrEvil] | the computer produced it's own light |
| 16:37:38 | kergoth | mark: hah add gesture recognition to opie.. write a M over the launcher and opie-mail2 comes up.. |
| 16:37:53 | whardier | insane in my whardier brain? |
| 16:37:55 | whardier | INSANE IN THE BRAIN! |
| 16:38:04 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:38:05 | kergoth | good song |
| 16:38:18 | whardier | tires to find some public enemy |
| 16:38:23 | kergoth | classic |
| 16:38:32 | kergoth | whardier, you heard Three Little Pigs by Green Jelly? |
| 16:38:32 | NetAmp | how would it respond to an obscene gesture? give you an electric shock? |
| 16:38:47 | whardier | kergoth nope |
| 16:39:35 | NetAmp | 's brain is high on entropy |
| 16:40:04 | [DrEvil] | grrrr |
| 16:40:17 | [DrEvil] | why can't I get decent MIDI playback in Linux |
| 16:41:17 | [George] | anyone wanna start a petition? |
| 16:41:17 | [George] | to send to sharp saying "We hate that handango 30% cut crap" |
| 16:41:17 | whardier | I picked up one of my black wife beaters today |
| 16:41:17 | whardier | and a spider nested in it |
| 16:41:17 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:41:17 | whardier | GUESS I HAVE NOT BEEN BEATING MY WIFE MUCH! |
| 16:41:18 | whardier | note to all.. I have no wife.. |
| 16:41:18 | whardier | or life.. |
| 16:41:18 | [George] | whardier: haha |
| 16:41:18 | whardier | hence.. no wife.. |
| 16:41:50 | whardier | chants Oakey a few times and is visited by a vision of BT slaying masses with ultra powerfull beats.. |
| 16:42:03 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 16:42:03 | whardier | now I truly know what I must do |
| 16:42:23 | | dwmw2 was last seen on #opie 1 days, 2 hours, 58 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying: kergoth: not without my workstation starting to play nicely again :) [Fri Jul 12 14:43:28 2002] |
| 16:42:23 | kergoth | ibot: seen dwmw2? |
| 16:42:44 | whardier | dvmrp1 Link encap:IPIP Tunnel HWaddr |
| 16:42:55 | whardier | is that close enough? |
| 16:44:15 | [DrEvil] | why is this damn font so hard to find |
| 16:44:44 | [George] | k |
| 16:44:46 | [George] | hi |
| 16:45:18 | ranf | Anyone willing and able to hack my router? There is only port 53 and telnet open IIRC. ranf.dyndns.org |
| 16:46:18 | [DrEvil] | how about we hack your Zaurus |
| 16:46:19 | [George] | george@titanium george $ telnet ranf.dyndns.org 53 |
| 16:46:19 | [George] | Trying 80.136.134.105... |
| 16:46:19 | [George] | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 16:46:28 | [George] | [DrEvil]: he doesn't have a Zaurus =P |
| 16:47:18 | [DrEvil] | someone find me that font they use on Jeremiah |
| 16:47:33 | NetAmp | C:\>telnet ranf.dyndns.org 53 |
| 16:47:33 | NetAmp | Connecting To ranf.dyndns.org...Could not open connection to the host, on port 53. |
| 16:47:33 | NetAmp | No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it. |
| 16:47:52 | [George] | NetAmp: gasp, windows? :) |
| 16:47:57 | NetAmp | *evil grin* |
| 16:48:00 | NetAmp | XP! |
| 16:48:03 | NetAmp | muhahaha |
| 16:48:11 | [George] | eugh |
| 16:48:20 | [DrEvil] | plays some Blue Man Group |
| 16:48:22 | ranf | login as: ralfm |
| 16:48:48 | NetAmp | actually |
| 16:48:48 | NetAmp | Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] |
| 16:48:48 | NetAmp | (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp. |
| 16:48:51 | NetAmp | :P |
| 16:49:18 | | Microsoft is nothing but an evil plate of swag-bellied cat bladders. |
| 16:49:18 | NetAmp | ibot: insult Microsoft |
| 16:49:26 | kergoth | an evil plate |
| 16:49:27 | kergoth | wow |
| 16:49:29 | NetAmp | hah |
| 16:49:38 | kergoth | pictures a flying dinner plate chasing him |
| 16:49:39 | | Microsoft again is nothing but a swag-bellied thimbleful of horn-beat entrails. |
| 16:49:39 | NetAmp | ibot: insult Microsoft again |
| 16:50:01 | whardier | anybody here seen Lilo and Stitch? |
| 16:50:05 | | NetAmp: what? |
| 16:50:05 | NetAmp | ibot: think of better insults! |
| 16:50:05 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:50:12 | whardier | I love that movie |
| 16:50:15 | NetAmp | nope, is it good? |
| 16:50:17 | whardier | it gave me the sad sniffles |
| 16:50:21 | kergoth | yeah it was a lot better than i was expecting |
| 16:50:26 | kergoth | funny |
| 16:50:36 | whardier | it was pretty damn funny |
| 16:50:39 | mark | hmm. recommendations for what Z software I should take on holiday with me? :) |
| 16:50:41 | kergoth | yea |
| 16:50:44 | NetAmp | what about the crocodile hunter? |
| 16:50:45 | whardier | lots of uh... fast action slapstick.. with books usually |
| 16:50:46 | kergoth | you seen minority report yet? |
| 16:50:52 | [George] | kergoth: I think I found the non-booting problem |
| 16:50:53 | mark | kergoth: i saw it the other day. like it? |
| 16:51:01 | kergoth | yeah, I really enjoyed it |
| 16:51:08 | kergoth | [George]: what is it? |
| 16:51:08 | mark | yeah me too |
| 16:51:09 | whardier | I heard Mr Deeds was.. slow and painfull? |
| 16:51:12 | NetAmp | wow Minority Report I gotta see! The trailer's pretty good imho |
| 16:51:18 | [George] | kergoth: It was a 5500 config, and I changed the mem=42MB, but forgot to change the mtdram driver to disabled :) |
| 16:51:20 | whardier | Minority Report rules |
| 16:51:20 | kergoth | NetAmp: go see it. its worth it imo |
| 16:51:24 | mark | NetAmp: yeh, go see it, its a good film |
| 16:51:27 | NetAmp | :F |
| 16:51:28 | NetAmp | :D |
| 16:51:29 | kergoth | [George]: hehe |
| 16:51:31 | whardier | it has given me a few ideas I hope to implement into Opie soon |
| 16:51:37 | mark | whardier: hehe :) |
| 16:51:45 | kergoth | whardier: dood, i love the hand gesture recognition |
| 16:51:48 | whardier | like the register at the hotels |
| 16:51:53 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:51:55 | kergoth | re Cloud |
| 16:51:57 | whardier | that was pimp! |
| 16:52:00 | kergoth | yeah, i want one |
| 16:52:01 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:52:04 | whardier | imagine the address book being soo cool? |
| 16:52:16 | kergoth | brb |
| 16:52:17 | whardier | s/\?/\!/ |
| 16:52:18 | [George] | kergoth: does that normally not allow the Z to boot? |
| 16:52:40 | ranf | Aha: 24.151.34.51 hammering on a bunch of ports here. |
| 16:53:22 | roge99_laptop | :-) |
| 16:53:42 | [George] | ranf: haha, who's that? |
| 16:53:47 | roge99_laptop | me |
| 16:53:50 | mark | ranf: telnet sucks arse |
| 16:54:24 | ranf | Charter Communications (NETBLK-CHARTER-NE01) CHARTER-NE01 |
| 16:54:26 | [George] | roge99_laptop: haha |
| 16:54:27 | NetAmp | Pinging ranf.dyndns.org [80.136.134.105] with 32 bytes of data |
| 16:54:40 | kergoth | i hate the telnet protocol |
| 16:54:59 | kergoth | i had to write a implementation for work~. |
| 16:55:07 | roge99_laptop | hey kergoth hows it goin |
| 16:55:16 | NetAmp | Alias: |
| 16:55:16 | NetAmp | p50888669.dip0.t-ipconnect.de |
| 16:55:37 | mark | kergoth: easier than writing an ssh imp :) |
| 16:55:40 | NetAmp | Once I had to write an implementation of the X-Modem protocol, heh ;) |
| 16:55:55 | [DrEvil] | not Z-Modem? |
| 16:56:02 | NetAmp | uhm no |
| 16:56:08 | NetAmp | It was in college |
| 16:56:12 | [DrEvil] | how horrible |
| 16:56:20 | CloudChaser | ljp are you here? |
| 16:56:26 | ljp_ | yes |
| 16:56:27 | [DrEvil] | then there was the old reliable Kermit |
| 16:56:44 | CloudChaser | harlekin was telling me about that screenshot service |
| 16:56:55 | kergoth | mark: true, but telnet is a pain to avoid negotiation loops and the like |
| 16:57:03 | CloudChaser | he said you might know more about it |
| 16:57:04 | | i think scap is http://handhelds.org/scap/ or a CGI application now |
| 16:57:04 | kergoth | ibot: scap? |
| 16:57:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:57:15 | CloudChaser | yeah that's the one ;) |
| 16:57:40 | ljp_ | ahh.. ya, I am going to add a scap button to screenshotapplet it netcat is installed |
| 16:57:41 | kergoth | scap is nify |
| 16:57:43 | kergoth | nifty too |
| 16:57:46 | CloudChaser | i just run this: |
| 16:57:48 | CloudChaser | nc h1.handhelds.org 1011 </dev/fb0 |
| 16:57:57 | CloudChaser | on the z? |
| 16:58:02 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:58:36 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:58:39 | kergoth | make -j64 zImage |
| 16:59:26 | ljp_ | hehehe |
| 16:59:33 | CloudChaser | netcat is in sharp rom? |
| 16:59:38 | mark | [DrEvil]: ah, kermit :) |
| 16:59:40 | whardier | netkit |
| 16:59:50 | ljp_ | no, netcat from handhelds.org feed |
| 16:59:56 | whardier | netsplat |
| 16:59:58 | whardier | netwhoot |
| 16:59:59 | whardier | netwhore |
| 17:00:03 | whardier | Augh |
| 17:00:05 | whardier | I wanna go outside |
| 17:00:09 | ljp_ | whardier: where ya been? |
| 17:00:10 | CloudChaser | hehe |
| 17:00:12 | kergoth | couldnt you just pipe it through telnet instead of nc? |
| 17:00:25 | CloudChaser | no idea kergoth :) |
| 17:00:31 | kergoth | try it :-) |
| 17:00:42 | whardier | cat /dev/fb0 | telnet blah port |
| 17:00:42 | whardier | heh |
| 17:00:46 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:00:56 | NetAmp | netcat? |
| 17:00:58 | ranf | roge99_laptop: hmm I'm still online. I see some strange "tacacs-ds" and other weird ports in my firewall log. Hmm I like www.fli4l.org |
| 17:00:58 | NetAmp | hm.. |
| 17:01:18 | NetCat | ;) |
| 17:01:37 | | ljp_: excuse me? |
| 17:01:37 | ljp_ | ibot: netcat |
| 17:01:43 | ljp_ | poop |
| 17:02:27 | | OK, ljp_. |
| 17:02:27 | ljp_ | ibot: netcat is a neato program for handhelds running arm processor at ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/packages/netcat/ |
| 17:02:41 | | kergoth: I forgot netcat |
| 17:02:41 | kergoth | ibot: forget netcat |
| 17:03:01 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 17:03:01 | kergoth | ibot: netcat is the network swiss army knife. See http://www.atstake.com/research/tools/index.html#network_utilities for details. |
| 17:03:07 | kergoth | ljp_: its not specific to handhelds. |
| 17:03:19 | ljp_ | that one is ;) |
| 17:03:23 | kergoth | bah |
| 17:03:24 | kergoth | :-P |
| 17:05:22 | CloudChaser | i'm gonna try that Unison and see if it works |
| 17:05:28 | NetAmp | :) |
| 17:09:06 | [George] | kergoth: I've finally compiled a working kernel |
| 17:09:09 | [George] | kergoth: wahooooo! :) |
| 17:09:17 | kergoth | [George]: congrats |
| 17:09:43 | NetAmp | [George]: great job |
| 17:10:56 | [George] | heh, don't get too excited, it's for OZ |
| 17:11:01 | [George] | but it does give me the full 32MB :) |
| 17:11:14 | [George] | (unlike the nomtdram kernel) |
| 17:11:17 | ranf | [George]: do you need another x-compiler for this or could you use emdebian? |
| 17:11:26 | [George] | ranf: I haven't tried debian |
| 17:11:33 | [George] | ranf: I've used the one that kergoth suggested |
| 17:11:39 | [George] | ranf: the arm.linux.org.uk ones |
| 17:11:57 | [George] | ranf: but the emdebian ones would prolly work |
| 17:13:08 | ljp_ | 's cat is a freak |
| 17:14:04 | whardier | TRY ME! |
| 17:14:07 | toolafial-home | has anyone made a package for lirc? |
| 17:14:27 | ljp_ | uhhh, no thanks, whardier... |
| 17:14:58 | NetAmp | heh |
| 17:15:00 | ljp_ | my cat's sleeping in the bushes instead of in the house where she has a bed... |
| 17:15:27 | NetAmp | "Hi, my name's Chucky, I'm your friend 'till the end" |
| 17:17:50 | | rumour has it netcat is the network swiss army knife. See http://www.atstake.com/research/tools/index.html#network_utilities for details |
| 17:17:50 | noidd | ibot, netcat |
| 17:18:03 | NetAmp | :) |
| 17:18:08 | noidd | hmmm |
| 17:18:20 | kergoth | hey Neo |
| 17:18:50 | | okay, noidd. |
| 17:18:50 | noidd | ibot, netcat is also a cutdown version of socat... ibot knows about socat |
| 17:18:57 | | i guess netcat is the network swiss army knife. See http://www.atstake.com/research/tools/index.html#network_utilities for details. or a cutdown version of socat... ibot knows about socat |
| 17:18:57 | noidd | ibot, netcat? |
| 17:19:16 | | NetAmp: huh? |
| 17:19:16 | NetAmp | ibot: socat |
| 17:19:27 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:19:28 | noidd | not yet :-) |
| 17:19:28 | CloudChaser | is there an ipk for that netcat? |
| 17:19:31 | NetAmp | :D |
| 17:19:36 | kergoth | CloudChaser: ipkgfind |
| 17:19:44 | | OK, noidd. |
| 17:19:44 | noidd | ibot, socat is at http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=309 |
| 17:19:48 | | i heard socat was at http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=309 |
| 17:19:48 | noidd | ibot, socat? |
| 17:19:49 | | i think ipkgfind is at http://ipkgfind.48ers.dk/ or at http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org |
| 17:19:49 | NetAmp | ibot: ipkgfind |
| 17:20:07 | noidd | there - link to the original source is there |
| 17:20:22 | | kergoth: I forgot socat |
| 17:20:22 | kergoth | ibot: forget socat |
| 17:20:24 | NetAmp | http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/details.phtml?package=netcat&official=&format= |
| 17:20:25 | noidd | socat is netcat on acid. |
| 17:20:26 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 17:20:26 | kergoth | ibot: socat is at http://www.dest-unreach.org/socat/ |
| 17:20:28 | NeoTron | mark: gday |
| 17:20:42 | | okay, kergoth. |
| 17:20:42 | kergoth | ibot: socat is also zaurus packages at http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=309 |
| 17:20:56 | kergoth | hey zecke |
| 17:21:10 | noidd | kergoth is practiced at ibot manipulation |
| 17:21:10 | mark | hi NeoTron, thanks for the mail |
| 17:21:37 | mark | whats opie-mail2 like, match up to mailit? |
| 17:21:55 | CloudChaser | i use netcat for that screenshot thing right? |
| 17:22:30 | CloudChaser | there's 2.. one from familiar 0.5.2 and one from familiar unstable |
| 17:22:32 | kergoth | CloudChaser: yea |
| 17:22:37 | kergoth | CloudChaser: pick one |
| 17:22:46 | CloudChaser | well unstable isn't usually good |
| 17:23:32 | NeoTron | doh. after involuntarily rebooting (lockup or something) mozilla once again starts. |
| 17:23:33 | NeoTron | foo |
| 17:25:18 | | i think qtopia desktop is ftp://ftp.trolltech.com |
| 17:25:18 | mark | ibot: qtopia desktop |
| 17:26:07 | kergoth | gah flow control difficulties again |
| 17:26:30 | CloudChaser | bleh that won't install to sd card |
| 17:26:56 | CloudChaser | half the stuff won't ;( |
| 17:28:30 | CloudChaser | didn't work for me ;( must be linksys in the way |
| 17:29:04 | CloudChaser | oh!!! it did work!!!! |
| 17:29:42 | CloudChaser | i have to run it every time i want screen shot? |
| 17:29:56 | [George] | what's the erasesize of the Zaurus? |
| 17:30:00 | [George] | for mkfs.jffs2? |
| 17:30:18 | whardier | look at the OZ code |
| 17:30:43 | NetAmp | hm why use netcat for screenshots? |
| 17:30:46 | CloudChaser | hmmm...that wont' work |
| 17:30:58 | CloudChaser | was just trying out a suggestion |
| 17:31:11 | NeoTron | time to fix audio in RocketElite. :) |
| 17:31:18 | CloudChaser | haven't found a good linux screenshot program that i like yet |
| 17:31:22 | NetAmp | np, just wondering |
| 17:31:27 | CloudChaser | someone suggested that |
| 17:31:36 | NetAmp | :) |
| 17:31:38 | [George] | ok |
| 17:31:42 | CloudChaser | its cool but it takes screenie of the console where i ran that command |
| 17:31:44 | [George] | what's the "devtable" |
| 17:31:56 | CloudChaser | rather than of what i wanted it to |
| 17:32:03 | ljp_ | you no likey screenshotapplet? |
| 17:32:05 | CloudChaser | prolly a trick t it |
| 17:32:14 | NetAmp | hm.. isn't the applet supposed to sit in the tray? |
| 17:32:32 | CloudChaser | yep then i get a buncha numbered.png files on my z |
| 17:32:39 | CloudChaser | what i want is.. nicely named ones on my pc |
| 17:32:48 | ljp_ | just rename them |
| 17:33:01 | CloudChaser | the idea of things is to make them easier |
| 17:33:05 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 17:33:10 | CloudChaser | not take twice as long |
| 17:33:16 | NeoTron | hrm. fudgesicles |
| 17:33:28 | ljp_ | and how is screenshotapplet supposd to know what you want them named? |
| 17:33:33 | NeoTron | seems like it uses 8 bit audio. The zaurus seems to bork on 8 bit audio |
| 17:33:37 | CloudChaser | exactly |
| 17:33:43 | XavierXeon|Z | screenshotapplet is just a port of ksnapshot |
| 17:33:45 | CloudChaser | hence its not useful if i can't name them |
| 17:34:05 | CloudChaser | anyway..when i'm doing docs on pc, i want the screenies on my pc, so i use vnc |
| 17:34:05 | ljp_ | no, screenshotapplet is a few lines.. no porting involved |
| 17:34:18 | CloudChaser | i have a nifty program for windows that works great |
| 17:34:19 | CloudChaser | but.. |
| 17:34:25 | CloudChaser | i'm trying to do the no windows tihng |
| 17:34:30 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 17:34:35 | CloudChaser | by finding substitutes |
| 17:34:40 | NetAmp | good 4 U ;) |
| 17:34:43 | noidd | so use VNC and do screengrabs under linux |
| 17:34:48 | CloudChaser | but its no good if it takes me twice as long |
| 17:34:52 | noidd | if you really want to take the vnc route |
| 17:35:02 | CloudChaser | whats a good linux screenshot app? |
| 17:35:04 | ljp_ | CloudChaser: how about a check box you can enable a dialog for you to name it? |
| 17:35:21 | CloudChaser | that would be good |
| 17:35:33 | noidd | CloudChaser: you want these screenshots while in the cradle right? |
| 17:35:40 | CloudChaser | still have to then move them onto pc though |
| 17:35:48 | noidd | CloudChaser: and you want the screenshots direct to your linux box |
| 17:35:52 | CloudChaser | my z is only in the cradle to keep it upright |
| 17:35:58 | CloudChaser | i use wireless |
| 17:36:01 | ljp_ | just so happens I am working onscreenshotaplet as we speak |
| 17:36:08 | noidd | ok, its a network - thats all that matters |
| 17:36:11 | CloudChaser | yeah i really do need screenies of the z on my pc |
| 17:36:14 | noidd | do you run openssh on it? |
| 17:36:20 | CloudChaser | no |
| 17:36:32 | CloudChaser | i know how to get files from z to pc |
| 17:36:42 | noidd | shame, cos if you ran openssh... |
| 17:36:46 | CloudChaser | i have several ways |
| 17:36:48 | noidd | you could |
| 17:37:12 | noidd | ssh zaurus screenshot - > local_filename_on_linux.jpg |
| 17:37:12 | CloudChaser | i couldl what? |
| 17:37:21 | CloudChaser | lol |
| 17:37:21 | ljp_ | CloudChaser: is that your screenie of embeddedkonsole ? |
| 17:37:25 | noidd | one command, and the command would be fired off from your linux box |
| 17:37:28 | CloudChaser | yes ljp |
| 17:37:32 | ljp_ | hahaha |
| 17:37:42 | CloudChaser | whats so funny |
| 17:37:46 | noidd | assuming the screenshot app on the zaurus allows output to stdout |
| 17:37:58 | CloudChaser | noidd: you're missing the point |
| 17:38:06 | noidd | CloudChaser: what have i missed? |
| 17:38:12 | CloudChaser | i know i "can" get things back and forth |
| 17:38:15 | ljp_ | its funny that its a screenshot of konsole command of nc! |
| 17:38:32 | noidd | share the URL :-) |
| 17:38:33 | CloudChaser | the point is, it shouldn't take me longer |
| 17:38:44 | CloudChaser | to do things in linux than in windows :) |
| 17:38:48 | noidd | CloudChaser: so write a one-liner shell script |
| 17:38:59 | noidd | saycheese yourfilename.jpg |
| 17:39:30 | XavierXeon|Z | i did all my vnc screenshots with ksnapshot |
| 17:39:44 | CloudChaser | how bout...a good linux screenshot program that lets me pick what window on my desktop and lets me put a border on i and save it |
| 17:40:01 | CloudChaser | :) |
| 17:40:11 | CloudChaser | kinda like....snaggit for linux |
| 17:40:24 | XavierXeon|Z | ksnapshot |
| 17:40:35 | noidd | CloudChaser: if install ssh on your Z, i'll write you a lil screenshot proggie that runs on your linux box |
| 17:40:58 | NetAmp | noidd: http://handhelds.org/scap/html.cgi?fn=port.31384.png |
| 17:41:10 | noidd | its a single shell command so should be easy :-) |
| 17:41:13 | noidd | thanks NetAmp |
| 17:41:36 | noidd | oh! you can do that! |
| 17:43:24 | noidd | damn thats clever! |
| 17:43:24 | CloudChaser | ok i'll have to investigate that ssh thing ;) |
| 17:43:24 | CloudChaser | hehe yeah it is |
| 17:43:24 | noidd | CloudChaser: if you can do that... |
| 17:43:24 | noidd | ssh zaurus cat /dev/fb0 > yourlocafile.whatever |
| 17:43:24 | CloudChaser | hehe i don't really need that but i do appreciate it noidd :) |
| 17:43:25 | noidd | CloudChaser: that one-liner should work |
| 17:43:25 | NetAmp | :) |
| 17:43:35 | whardier | ssh zaurus "cat /dev/fb0 | gzip | bzip2" | bzip2 | gzip | nc blah port | tee /dev/hda |
| 17:43:36 | whardier | :P |
| 17:43:44 | CloudChaser | could i use ksnapshot for redhat 7.3 on redhat 7.2? |
| 17:43:55 | noidd | whardier: you dont want to do that ;-) |
| 17:44:01 | whardier | damn you caught it |
| 17:44:05 | CloudChaser | ya'll are just confusing me |
| 17:44:14 | XavierXeon|Z | depends on kde lib version |
| 17:44:43 | noidd | How do you convert from the /dev/fb output to a graphical output file? magic just sees it as data |
| 17:45:01 | toolafial-home | I have a question on the openzaurus rom |
| 17:45:05 | CloudChaser | once its on the web page do a save as |
| 17:52:24 | BeFrank | hi all |
| 17:52:24 | toolafial-home | why do I see two mtdblock entries in df? |
| 17:52:24 | toolafial-home | what is the 14 Mb one mounted on / ? |
| 17:52:24 | toolafial-home | is that the internal flash ROM? |
| 17:52:24 | NetAmp | `/dev/audio < cat /dev/fb0` |
| 17:52:24 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 17:52:25 | NetAmp | (don't try that at home) |
| 17:52:25 | | noidd: wish i knew |
| 17:52:25 | noidd | ibot, fb? |
| 17:52:25 | noidd | ah, thats bot |
| 17:52:26 | noidd | bad |
| 17:52:26 | noidd | think we're bout to split |
| 17:52:26 | NetAmp | ping |
| 17:52:26 | W|GGL|T | ? |
| 17:52:26 | NetAmp | hm.. ibot's asleep.. |
| 17:52:26 | | NetAmp: excuse me? |
| 17:52:26 | NetAmp | ibot: ring ring |
| 17:52:26 | NetAmp | Could someone redirect their /dev/buzzer to ibot plz? |
| 17:52:27 | noidd | searches for refferences to the fb data to graphical output code |
| 17:52:27 | NetAmp | Who's been using the HancomWord app? |
| 17:52:27 | NetAmp | is it OK? |
| 17:52:27 | Cloud-Z | sort of |
| 17:52:27 | XavierXeon | i use it sometimes |
| 17:52:27 | Cloud-Z | works ok but doesn't take word docs great |
| 17:52:28 | Cloud-Z | and can't click on a link in it |
| 17:52:36 | | wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! |
| 17:52:36 | NetAmp | ibot: pong |
| 17:52:38 | Cloud-Z | and have it open |
| 17:52:43 | NetAmp | ibot's back ;) |
| 17:54:28 | | customs is nothing but an hedge-born puddle of tofu-nibbling slurpee-backwash. |
| 17:54:28 | NetAmp | ibot: insult customs |
| 17:54:36 | NetAmp | hm |
| 17:54:46 | NetAmp | he could do better ;) |
| 17:58:33 | | customs is nothing but a cockered mass of fen-sucked jizzum. |
| 17:58:33 | ljp_ | ibot: insult customs |
| 17:58:33 | | it has been said that feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 17:58:33 | noidd | ibot, feed? |
| 17:58:34 | | customs is nothing but a craven coagulation of motley-mind armadillo snouts. |
| 17:58:34 | ljp | ibot: insult customs |
| 17:58:34 | NetAmp | :( |
| 17:58:35 | | Ok, ljp, I'll start talking. |
| 17:58:35 | ljp | ibot: wake up |
| 17:58:35 | [George] | what happens if you wear out the internal flash on the Z? |
| 17:58:35 | [George] | Do sharp fix it? :) |
| 17:58:35 | NetAmp | *sigh* |
| 17:58:35 | ljp | you'll be about 5 years older |
| 17:58:35 | NetAmp | I don't wanna think of that horrible scenario |
| 17:58:35 | [George] | hmm |
| 17:58:35 | NetAmp | heh ;) |
| 17:58:35 | ljp | and your pda will be outdated by then |
| 17:58:35 | [George] | NetAmp: haha |
| 17:58:36 | [George] | ljp: ahh, k |
| 17:58:42 | ljp | hahaha |
| 17:58:45 | NetAmp | hah! |
| 17:58:47 | NetAmp | lol |
| 17:58:48 | [George] | lmao |
| 17:59:23 | [George] | how do you mount a jffs2 image? |
| 17:59:29 | [George] | ie - the initrd image? |
| 17:59:44 | [George] | because mount -o loop -t jffs2 ./initrd.bin /mnt/initrd don''t work |
| 18:01:08 | CloudChaser | bleh scap just keeps taking screenies of my konsole |
| 18:01:40 | kergoth | re |
| 18:01:51 | [George] | wb kergoth |
| 18:05:16 | NetAmp | wb |
| 18:05:16 | kergoth | thanks |
| 18:05:16 | kergoth | install linux. dualboot |
| 18:05:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:06:04 | [George] | ok guys |
| 18:06:12 | [George] | how do I go about creating an initrd for the Z? |
| 18:06:23 | NetAmp | hm talkin' about boot, what's up with 'grub'? I've never used anything else than lilo |
| 18:06:34 | [George] | that can execute shell scripts, and that has simple CF support (ie - access CF mem cards?) |
| 18:06:45 | NeoTron | wtf is it craching in SDL_OpenAudio now. Grrrfgls |
| 18:07:20 | [George] | ok |
| 18:07:27 | [George] | Looks like i'm gonna be using OpenZaurus to boot intimate |
| 18:07:34 | [George] | bit uneconomical, I know |
| 18:07:44 | [George] | but hey, that's what intimate does with familiar! |
| 18:07:47 | [George] | bye all |
| 18:11:59 | ljp | Cloud-Z: try a sleep3; before your nc command |
| 18:11:59 | ljp | and open the app you want |
| 18:11:59 | CloudChaser | noidd said to do that too but |
| 18:11:59 | CloudChaser | nm |
| 18:11:59 | noidd | nm means he forgot to try it ;-) |
| 18:12:00 | CloudChaser | its nifty service but not practical |
| 18:12:00 | CloudChaser | and i'm a SHE |
| 18:12:00 | CloudChaser | and i didn't forget |
| 18:12:00 | noidd | I apologise CloudChaser :-) I shall know for next time. |
| 18:12:00 | CloudChaser | hehe s'ok |
| 18:12:00 | CloudChaser | happens all the time |
| 18:12:00 | noidd | sad fact of probability and demographics |
| 18:12:00 | ljp | I knew from your nick... ;) |
| 18:12:01 | CloudChaser | :) |
| 18:12:09 | ljp | if you can wait a few minutes, I will have a new screenshotapplet that I could ipk for you |
| 18:12:22 | kergoth_ | re |
| 18:12:27 | noidd | I just have to say one thing before I go idle... Linux and Zaurus and Open Source rocks. When you can backup your machine with such ease: |
| 18:12:27 | kergoth_ | anyone know of a good code beautifier? |
| 18:12:28 | CloudChaser | oki |
| 18:12:32 | noidd | ssh 192.168.129.201 tar -cvf - /home > zbackup.tar |
| 18:12:46 | noidd | gorgous :-) |
| 18:12:49 | CloudChaser | hehe |
| 18:13:04 | kergoth_ | my serial console is overflowing my buffer again |
| 18:13:07 | kergoth_ | garbage all over |
| 18:13:09 | kergoth_ | and ugliness |
| 18:13:17 | kergoth_ | "Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!" |
| 18:13:19 | kergoth_ | eek |
| 18:13:20 | ljp | kergoth_: emacs! |
| 18:13:21 | noidd | passes kergoth a breakout box |
| 18:13:26 | ljp | hides |
| 18:13:32 | kergoth_ | noidd: already have one. hehe |
| 18:14:05 | kergoth_ | noidd: problem is, i dont know who's buffer is overflowing |
| 18:14:21 | kergoth_ | noidd: either the serial driver is being stupid and overflowing his output buffer in the uart |
| 18:14:21 | ljp | buffer underrun is a funny term |
| 18:14:43 | kergoth_ | noidd: or its overrunning the buffer in my desktop's |
| 18:14:47 | ljp | go ahead, say it.. buffer underrun its fun to say |
| 18:14:54 | noidd | kergoth: thats unlikly |
| 18:15:00 | kergoth_ | noidd: I agree |
| 18:15:16 | noidd | kergoth: youre using COM1 / ttys0 right? |
| 18:15:24 | kergoth_ | noidd: on the desktop? yes |
| 18:15:31 | noidd | yah, |
| 18:15:35 | kergoth_ | noidd: now remember, there is NO flow control here |
| 18:15:36 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 18:15:40 | noidd | kergoth: its really not goingto be that |
| 18:15:42 | kergoth_ | noidd: serial console has its limitations |
| 18:16:01 | noidd | kergoth_ |
| 18:16:02 | kergoth_ | noidd: yeah, I'm suspecting the sa1110 serial driver cant keep up with the kernel's messages.. it only has a 8 byte output buffer. |
| 18:16:10 | kergoth_ | 8 byte! |
| 18:16:10 | noidd | kergoth_: hardware flow control? |
| 18:16:10 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 18:16:21 | noidd | 8 bytes? |
| 18:16:32 | kergoth_ | noidd: oh fine, make me implement rts and cts... |
| 18:16:37 | NetAmp | wow ljp, that did make me feel better ;) buffer underrun... |
| 18:16:45 | kergoth_ | noidd: they're done via GPIO's, not in the uart.. fun stuff |
| 18:16:55 | NeoTron | GAH! |
| 18:17:04 | kergoth_ | NeoTron: problems? |
| 18:17:47 | kergoth_ | noidd: interesting thing is... i get garbage sooner using hyperterminal in windows than cu/minicom/cat in linux |
| 18:17:57 | noidd | kergoth: not my definition of fun, but whose counting :-) |
| 18:18:06 | kergoth_ | noidd: the fact that it changed the beahvior at all leads one to believe its something on this side.. |
| 18:18:09 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 18:18:27 | NetAmp | the dark side |
| 18:18:58 | noidd | any difference in the hardware lines that are being set at the PC side? |
| 18:19:12 | noidd | carrier watching |
| 18:19:19 | NeoTron | kergoth: for some reason I get segfaults in SDL_OpenAudio in RocketElite, somewhere down in pthread creation |
| 18:19:38 | kergoth_ | NeoTron: ack |
| 18:19:46 | kergoth_ | noidd: I'm not using hardware flow |
| 18:20:02 | CloudChaser | ok ksnapshot for 7.3 doesn't work on 7.2 |
| 18:20:07 | CloudChaser | all kinds of failed depends |
| 18:20:08 | kergoth_ | noidd: dtr & rts are high, as they are whenever a port is opened on most operating systems |
| 18:20:36 | CloudChaser | linux is a pita |
| 18:20:37 | noidd | kergoth_: I pass then, sorry. |
| 18:21:00 | kergoth_ | noidd: hehe, np |
| 18:21:04 | kergoth_ | noidd: its annoying as hell |
| 18:21:20 | kergoth_ | noidd: I think I'll get the Z handling signals, then fire up hardware flow, if i can |
| 18:21:47 | noidd | I must admit I prefer hardware flow - I can then see where I stand |
| 18:22:01 | kergoth_ | noidd: hard to debug a kernel panic when i cant get the output because its 90% garbage.. hehe |
| 18:22:05 | kergoth_ | noidd: yes, me too |
| 18:22:05 | noidd | enters his breakout box as exhibit B |
| 18:22:34 | kergoth_ | xon and xoff chars can be lost as well, being a part of the data stream.. can get port lockups, or intermittant overruns and shit |
| 18:22:44 | kergoth_ | beats his Z into submission |
| 18:22:56 | noidd | I just hate the idea of in-band flow control. It was a stupid idea from the start |
| 18:23:02 | kergoth_ | yep |
| 18:23:11 | CloudChaser | why do you use serial connection? |
| 18:23:13 | noidd | if you cant guarantee the integrity of your data - dont put your control signals in it |
| 18:23:18 | kergoth_ | yep |
| 18:23:29 | kergoth_ | long cable run and it takes too long to receive the control characters.. boom, overrun |
| 18:23:56 | kergoth_ | CloudChaser: it still has its uses, primarily for consoling, which is what i'm doing now because the 2.5.x kernel isnt turning on the lcd display yet ;-) |
| 18:24:15 | CloudChaser | ah |
| 18:24:25 | kergoth_ | but.. on the plus side, it mounted the rootfs |
| 18:24:31 | kergoth_ | as it "Attemping to kill init!" |
| 18:24:33 | noidd | kergoth: I got fed up in a previous life having the restart controls not get to the other end and having to reset connections on annex terminal adapters |
| 18:24:35 | CloudChaser | will i have trouble if i want to console into other devices? |
| 18:24:35 | kergoth_ | obviously it managed to run init |
| 18:24:36 | noidd | argh, nightmase |
| 18:24:47 | kergoth_ | noidd: i work in tech support for Digi international, formerly Digiboard |
| 18:24:54 | kergoth_ | noidd: i STILL deal with this shit on a daily basis |
| 18:25:13 | kergoth_ | CloudChaser: nah you rarely run into flow control issues when consoling |
| 18:25:14 | NetAmp | :S |
| 18:25:27 | kergoth_ | CloudChaser: I am, because I'm dumping a hell of a lot of messages very fast out the console |
| 18:25:37 | kergoth_ | like the crash dumpp |
| 18:25:37 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 18:25:41 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 18:25:50 | CloudChaser | oki ;) |
| 18:26:08 | CloudChaser | i don't have serial cable yet for z anyway |
| 18:26:09 | noidd | mod the kernel to send it slower :-) |
| 18:26:20 | CloudChaser | i actually need 2 and they're too expensive to carve up |
| 18:26:27 | kergoth_ | noidd: I was thinking about that actually.. sprinkle sleeps aorund |
| 18:26:35 | kergoth_ | noidd: basically throttle the output |
| 18:26:56 | noidd | kergoth: i've done it before with transfering large files. |
| 18:27:12 | CloudChaser | 50.00 for a serial cable..someone at sharp is on some serious drugs! |
| 18:27:13 | kergoth_ | hmm |
| 18:27:15 | noidd | spilit into multiple tiny files then put a sleep in there |
| 18:27:18 | kergoth_ | wades into serial_sa1100.c |
| 18:27:22 | NetAmp | shipment: "7/12/02 3:05pm Cleared Customs. Amsterdam, Netherlands" :D |
| 18:27:25 | NetAmp | party on! |
| 18:27:26 | kergoth_ | CloudChaser: agreed |
| 18:27:29 | kergoth_ | NetAmp: nicE! |
| 18:27:36 | CloudChaser | yay NetAmp:! |
| 18:27:40 | NetAmp | hehe ;) |
| 18:27:41 | kergoth_ | CloudChaser: you could mod your cradle to add serial ;-) |
| 18:27:49 | CloudChaser | i need portable |
| 18:27:52 | kergoth_ | CloudChaser: I want to mod my cradle to let me open the keyboard.. then add serial |
| 18:27:56 | NetAmp | sure is, man is it hard to wait 'til monday ;) |
| 18:28:11 | CloudChaser | and i need one to do null modem with a gender change |
| 18:28:15 | kergoth_ | so? |
| 18:28:18 | kergoth_ | null modem adapter |
| 18:28:28 | NetAmp | usually the weekend can't be long enough... but not now :P |
| 18:28:50 | CloudChaser | yeah i have that.. in order to use the serial cable i'd need 3 adapters |
| 18:28:51 | kergoth_ | CloudChaser: fyi the port on the Z serial cable from sharp is DCE.. no need for a null to console |
| 18:28:53 | CloudChaser | which i have |
| 18:29:18 | CloudChaser | would still need gender changer though |
| 18:29:25 | kergoth_ | yeah, thats easy though |
| 18:29:25 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 18:29:27 | CloudChaser | its designed to plug into pc, right? |
| 18:29:50 | kergoth_ | CloudChaser: yes. pc = dte, Z = dce.. dte - dce requires no null modem adapter |
| 18:29:52 | CloudChaser | me and my sex changes! sheesh |
| 18:30:02 | NetAmp | hahaha |
| 18:30:05 | kergoth_ | CloudChaser: treat the Z like a modem, as far as serial cabling is concerned |
| 18:30:05 | kergoth_ | lol |
| 18:30:14 | CloudChaser | ah ok good |
| 18:30:30 | kergoth_ | course you need one to connect it to a modem |
| 18:30:50 | CloudChaser | haha |
| 18:31:03 | CloudChaser | i don't really need one for modem |
| 18:31:11 | CloudChaser | need to connect to switches and routers |
| 18:31:22 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 18:31:42 | CloudChaser | might have to break down and get one i guess... |
| 18:31:44 | NetAmp | Don't most routers have SSH/HTTP access these days? |
| 18:32:02 | kergoth | NetAmp: if ssh/http access is down, then what do you do? |
| 18:32:08 | CloudChaser | right |
| 18:32:09 | NetAmp | hm.. ;) |
| 18:32:12 | NetAmp | true |
| 18:32:14 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 18:32:26 | noidd | kergoth_: sanity check my logic here.. I always thought that there was inherent hardware flow control... but the more I think about it the more I realise that your serial driver and end application have to be able to be notified when the link is full |
| 18:32:27 | CloudChaser | plus in the closet i need console access |
| 18:32:52 | noidd | kergoth_: hence the need for hardware flow control implementation in software |
| 18:32:58 | kergoth | noidd: no flow is inherent |
| 18:33:02 | noidd | kergoth: am I vaguely close |
| 18:34:03 | kergoth | noidd: my serial driver sends data out the port.. keeps sending until CTS drops.. when it drops, the other side dropped it to tell me to stop sending data..so I stop, and cause the app to sleep |
| 18:34:25 | kergoth | noidd: and if he's close to overruning my input buffer, i drop RTS. |
| 18:34:36 | noidd | ah ha |
| 18:34:38 | kergoth | noidd: pretty simple really. |
| 18:34:49 | noidd | so the hardware flow control is managed by the serial driver |
| 18:34:51 | kergoth | where rts is wired to cts and vice versa obviously |
| 18:34:52 | kergoth | yes. |
| 18:34:57 | kergoth | the app shouldnt care |
| 18:35:01 | kergoth | well |
| 18:35:04 | noidd | and the serial chips effectivly just pass your message on |
| 18:35:14 | kergoth | the app should use ioctls or tcsetattr to enable hardware flow, but the actual implementation is in the driver |
| 18:35:17 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:35:20 | NetAmp | gah... BlueTooth Operating Range Up to 200M for open space :S |
| 18:35:58 | NetAmp | oh well.. |
| 18:36:35 | CloudChaser | well i've wasted the whole afternoon trying to get stuff to work on linux so i could do some work |
| 18:36:51 | CloudChaser | and didn't get anywhere |
| 18:37:07 | kergoth | CloudChaser: i hate those days |
| 18:37:08 | NetAmp | :( |
| 18:37:11 | kergoth | CloudChaser: so much wasted time |
| 18:37:15 | CloudChaser | yep |
| 18:37:19 | noidd | CloudChaser: if we could just get our hands on the sourcecode to the framebuffer data to graphic converter |
| 18:37:22 | noidd | ... |
| 18:37:33 | NeoTron | seriously considers going the direct dsp route |
| 18:37:37 | CloudChaser | why? |
| 18:37:38 | kergoth | noidd: the driver appears to monitor a register to check if the uart's buffer is full.. it shouldnt be overruning it... |
| 18:37:45 | kergoth | noidd: wtf |
| 18:38:10 | noidd | kergoth: wtf to which line :-) |
| 18:38:22 | kergoth | any |
| 18:38:22 | kergoth | all |
| 18:38:24 | noidd | kergoth: or something that just happened in front of you |
| 18:38:28 | kergoth | that too |
| 18:38:29 | kergoth | i need a drink |
| 18:39:46 | CloudChaser | i need a clue |
| 18:40:09 | noidd | I need an 8 hour in person C++ and Q tutorial |
| 18:41:10 | treke|home | kergoth: so early on a saturday? |
| 18:41:19 | NetAmp | nobse: maybe you could mail them and ask for /scap/capture.cgi source |
| 18:41:24 | kergoth | treke|home: yeah, one of those days |
| 18:41:35 | kergoth | just drinks his soda and mutters instead |
| 18:41:37 | NetAmp | err... noidd even |
| 18:41:39 | treke|home | suckage |
| 18:41:55 | noidd | everyone calls me nobse... and I dont know why |
| 18:42:05 | noidd | its ammusing but the curiosity is killing me |
| 18:42:09 | NetAmp | noidd: well, cuz I pressed [TAB] in mIRC |
| 18:42:12 | CloudChaser | yeah |
| 18:42:12 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 18:42:13 | CloudChaser | that |
| 18:42:16 | NetAmp | hah |
| 18:42:20 | kergoth | TFS - transmit fifo service request register. 0 - transmit fifo is more than half full, 0 - transmit is half full |
| 18:42:23 | kergoth | i think thats what i need |
| 18:42:39 | noidd | ah ha! |
| 18:42:57 | noidd | kergoth: grab it that little bit earlier |
| 18:42:57 | NeoTron | so where can I read about /dev/dsp usage? |
| 18:43:04 | NeoTron | ioctls and such I presume |
| 18:43:06 | noidd | kergoth: which platform is this on? |
| 18:44:03 | kergoth | argh |
| 18:44:04 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:44:10 | kergoth | noidd: the zaurus, sa1110 |
| 18:44:52 | kergoth | noidd: check this.. it loops character by character.. at the beginning of the loop it spins until the TNF (tranmitter not full) is set. in other words, if it ever fills the buffer it'll spin until there's room again |
| 18:44:59 | kergoth | noidd: so i have no idea whats causing this |
| 18:45:37 | NetAmp | A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature |
| 18:45:37 | NetAmp | replaces it with. |
| 18:45:37 | NetAmp | -- Tennessee Williams |
| 18:45:50 | NetAmp | (random login quote I got ;) |
| 18:45:50 | noidd | kergoth: got a lump of source? |
| 18:45:57 | kergoth | noidd: well, i may have it spin on the TFS register.. never let it get byond half way full |
| 18:46:13 | kergoth | noidd: yeah, /j #flood |
| 18:46:17 | noidd | k |
| 18:47:54 | kergoth | noidd: I'll make my bitkeeper repository available via http |
| 18:48:02 | noidd | ok |
| 18:48:07 | kergoth | bbiaf |
| 18:51:45 | ljp | you're going to flash yourself? |
| 18:56:58 | NetAmp | I love winamp, it can use another Wave Out device without switching all sound :) |
| 18:56:58 | oGMo | wow, lots of people here, cool |
| 18:58:03 | NetAmp | So I can have just winamp playing over optical out without anything else disturbing MD rec. :D sweet |
| 19:01:15 | noidd | very |
| 19:02:04 | kergoth | woah |
| 19:02:09 | kergoth | ipkg/C x86 didnt segfault |
| 19:02:16 | kergoth | I can update oz to beta 10.3 :-) |
| 19:02:19 | kergoth | woo |
| 19:02:23 | kergoth | no idea what caused it |
| 19:02:34 | CloudChaser | woohoo! |
| 19:02:53 | CloudChaser | hmm.. then i'll be out of excuses |
| 19:03:34 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:03:55 | noidd | I should invest in a card so I can flash too |
| 19:04:09 | noidd | hmm, is it either SD or CF or just CF? |
| 19:05:11 | kergoth | just CF |
| 19:05:32 | kergoth | well, newer sharp roms can update via usb |
| 19:05:40 | kergoth | i should hack something together to flash oz using sharp's update app |
| 19:05:42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:05:50 | noidd | I have an IBM microdrive here somewhere... |
| 19:06:01 | noidd | maybe I should try flashing this evening |
| 19:07:10 | CloudChaser | hehe that would be cool kergoth |
| 19:07:19 | nobse | noidd: Sharp doesn't recommend to use these drives in the z |
| 19:08:14 | kergoth | why? heat output? |
| 19:08:22 | nobse | kergoth: exactly |
| 19:08:55 | SirPsycho-home | i think it is the high current drain on the battery |
| 19:09:08 | tboc | hmm, i wonder how they even can produce that much heat with only 950mAh to waste ;) |
| 19:09:47 | kergoth | hmm i wonder how much those mats cost, for putting on the floor for training, like gym mats |
| 19:10:05 | noidd | nobse: that cos of heat? |
| 19:10:32 | noidd | I guess it would be ok to just flash with |
| 19:10:40 | noidd | just not extended amounts of time |
| 19:11:29 | SirPsycho-home | anyone know.. i am about to flash my rom using a CF card.. the file i got was called "OSPACK.exe".. when i put it on the CF card do i rename it to "OSPACK" or "Romimage" or something else? |
| 19:11:37 | kergoth | rename it to ospack |
| 19:11:44 | tboc | btw. which part sucks that much energy that the z only got ~3(?) hours of battery life while the ipaq got 10? |
| 19:11:45 | noidd | haha, an image greater than 1600x1200 cannot be displayed |
| 19:12:05 | kergoth | noidd: not surprising.. libjpeg has trouble |
| 19:12:13 | kergoth | noidd: what image foramt? |
| 19:12:15 | kergoth | format too |
| 19:12:19 | noidd | is 71Meg enough for a ROM image? |
| 19:12:29 | noidd | ignore that stupid question |
| 19:12:33 | nobse | noidd: sure :) |
| 19:12:37 | noidd | I know the answer already :-) |
| 19:12:49 | kergoth | bitkeeper is so sweet |
| 19:13:22 | MSpin | yeah but RMS hates it |
| 19:13:23 | MSpin | hehe |
| 19:13:28 | kergoth | bah who cares |
| 19:13:29 | kergoth | :-) |
| 19:13:29 | NetAmp | tboc: the keyboard ;) |
| 19:13:33 | SirPsycho-home | on the CF card can i have anything else on it or am I only supposed to have one file called "ospack" ? |
| 19:13:41 | kergoth | SirPsycho-home: you can have other files on it |
| 19:13:44 | tboc | NetAmp: how could i forget? =) |
| 19:13:55 | NetAmp | tboc: hah... nah that's a good question actually... |
| 19:13:59 | nobse | SirPsycho-home: there can be other stuff on the card, but ospack must be in / |
| 19:14:02 | noidd | so, any reccomendations? |
| 19:14:18 | NetAmp | tboc: but I guess it's longer unless you continuously play sound with LCD on full brightness |
| 19:14:19 | kergoth | noidd: recommendations for....? |
| 19:14:19 | SirPsycho-home | kergoth: thanks.. so all it looks at is /ospack then |
| 19:14:20 | tboc | NetAmp: yeah, i know cause i was the one who asked it ;P |
| 19:14:23 | kergoth | SirPsycho-home: yep |
| 19:14:27 | NetAmp | tboc: hah ;) |
| 19:14:35 | noidd | I gess I should get a copy of the ROM i'm using first |
| 19:14:38 | noidd | just in case :-) |
| 19:14:50 | kergoth | noidd: heh. grab the latest off of myzaurus |
| 19:15:02 | tboc | NetAmp: i'd guess that it has to be the LCD... but not sure about it |
| 19:15:29 | CloudChaser | kergoth, did you put it up already? |
| 19:15:43 | tboc | NetAmp: i also heard some rumors about the bad powermanagement of linux ... but that was with the vtech helio running linux |
| 19:15:58 | oGMo | tboc: i saw the z got 10 hours too, just sitting on w/o backlight or cpu-intensive apps |
| 19:16:07 | noidd | kergoth: theres only US ROM's there |
| 19:16:09 | NetAmp | tboc: prolly... I'm not really into detailed specs, also I won't have a Z til monday *sigh* |
| 19:16:10 | jmhodges | heya |
| 19:16:10 | oGMo | although i haven't tried it ;) |
| 19:16:14 | kergoth | noidd: ah |
| 19:16:25 | noidd | my keyboard is different to a US one |
| 19:16:31 | tboc | oGMo: guess you've got a good oculist? ;) |
| 19:16:36 | kergoth | tboc: power management in linux is improving |
| 19:16:44 | tboc | kergoth: nice to hear :) |
| 19:16:49 | kergoth | tboc: once i finish the work on getting 2.5.x working on the Z.. we should compare |
| 19:16:51 | oGMo | tbox, heh ;) naw just what the unofficial faq or whatever reported |
| 19:16:52 | kergoth | tboc: :-) |
| 19:17:23 | tboc | oGMo: i just tried it w/o backlight ... couldn't look at it for more than a minute |
| 19:17:30 | jmhodges | likes the sound of this conversation |
| 19:17:36 | kergoth | hey jmhodges |
| 19:17:51 | tboc | most of the time 50% is the minimum |
| 19:17:54 | oGMo | i think people who report initial battery issues aren't charging for the recommended 24-30 hours |
| 19:17:55 | jmhodges | hey kergoth |
| 19:18:00 | jmhodges | whats up? |
| 19:18:11 | kergoth | oGMo: irrelevant. they make you charge it that long so that hte backup battery is fully charged. |
| 19:18:22 | oGMo | tboc: it's ok with lots of light, not quite as visible as a GBA though ;/ |
| 19:18:23 | tboc | ack |
| 19:18:25 | kergoth | jmhodges: nada, grumbling and bitching at my Z. you? |
| 19:18:55 | tboc | oGMo: oh, and the last thing i heard about the GBA was that the only downside was the bad visibility of the screen ;) |
| 19:19:09 | oGMo | kergoth: yeah, but if you only charge it for 2 hours to charge the li-ion battery, the backup battery then pulls off the li-ion to charge itself, or that's what the wording implied to me |
| 19:19:15 | noidd | dont s'pose if anyone knows if there is another site to grab sharop ROMs for? |
| 19:19:15 | jmhodges | kergoth: not much.. trying to make the binary winex run the nwn installer but i think ill try with the normal Wine |
| 19:19:21 | | noidd: i haven't a clue |
| 19:19:21 | noidd | ibot, roms? |
| 19:19:24 | | noidd: wish i knew |
| 19:19:24 | noidd | ibot, roms? |
| 19:19:25 | jmhodges | kergoth: and then run it with the cvs winex :) |
| 19:19:26 | | noidd: huh? |
| 19:19:26 | noidd | ibot, rom?> |
| 19:19:28 | | somebody said rom was Read Only Memory |
| 19:19:28 | noidd | ibot, rom? |
| 19:19:43 | kergoth | jmhodges: yeah just use cvs winex :-) |
| 19:19:55 | kergoth | noidd: what unit? 5500g? |
| 19:20:03 | CloudChaser | 10 hours i think was a huge lie |
| 19:20:08 | oGMo | tboc: it's pretty bad, but not quite as dark i think... a little closer to the "surface", but it's a MUCH crappier lcd than the Z, too |
| 19:20:12 | jmhodges | kergoth: well yeah! :P but the cvs winex doesnt have InstallShield :( |
| 19:20:17 | kergoth | jmhodges: hah |
| 19:20:18 | CloudChaser | dont' know of anyone who ever got 10 hours of continuous use |
| 19:20:20 | noidd | kergoth: don;t think its G... g is german right? |
| 19:20:21 | kergoth | jmhodges: :-) |
| 19:20:26 | NeoTron | fuckers |
| 19:20:26 | kergoth | noidd: yeah. where you at? |
| 19:20:26 | tboc | btw. i wonder why sharp uses a flourescent tube ... wouldn't white LEDs be better? |
| 19:20:32 | noidd | kergoth: UK |
| 19:20:33 | kergoth | tboc: i'd think so |
| 19:20:36 | NeoTron | my own dsp code ALSO segfaults when creating a thread |
| 19:20:39 | NeoTron | that blows chunks |
| 19:20:48 | kergoth | noidd: ah.. no idea where those roms would be at. is the uk keyboard different? |
| 19:20:54 | kergoth | NeoTron: ack |
| 19:20:55 | tboc | kergoth: but i guess the little flourescent tube was cheaper ;) |
| 19:21:04 | kergoth | tboc: yeah, like the buzzer was cheaper too? stupid fuckers |
| 19:21:08 | oGMo | CloudChaser: i think they always report those things under ideal conditions... like my laptop battery was supposed to last "3-5 hours" and i was lucky to get 2 ;) |
| 19:21:10 | NeoTron | #0 0x080c529c in kill () |
| 19:21:10 | NeoTron | #1 0x40590ab8 in __pthread_restart_new (th=0x4059aaa0) at pthread.c:1080 |
| 19:21:10 | NeoTron | #2 0x40592954 in __pthread_unlock (lock=0x40596630) at restart.h:24 |
| 19:21:11 | NeoTron | #3 0x4058fe9c in __pthread_initialize_manager () at pthread.c:593 |
| 19:21:11 | NeoTron | #4 0x40590c36 in __pthread_create_2_1 (thread=0x80eafd4, attr=0xbffff300, |
| 19:21:11 | tboc | hey, some hardware modders in here? ;) |
| 19:21:11 | NeoTron | start_routine=0x80c0da8 <dsp_audio_thread(void *)>, arg=0x0) |
| 19:21:13 | NeoTron | at pthread.c:648 |
| 19:21:15 | NeoTron | how fun is that? |
| 19:21:28 | kergoth | whee |
| 19:21:28 | noidd | kergoth: I'm willing to bet you don't have a poundsign above your letter E |
| 19:21:32 | noidd | kergoth: so I think so |
| 19:21:34 | noidd | :-( |
| 19:21:36 | tboc | kergoth: hu? whats wrong with the buzzer? |
| 19:21:42 | mark | noidd: I have one :) |
| 19:21:57 | noidd | mark: you know where to get our ROM updates from? |
| 19:22:06 | kergoth | tboc: the problem is, they have a 12bit dac that could have very well outputted to a speaker, but they went the cheap route |
| 19:22:14 | kergoth | noidd: ah yeah |
| 19:22:15 | mark | noidd: nope. cant download? |
| 19:22:17 | kergoth | yawns |
| 19:22:27 | mark | notes yawning is contagious |
| 19:22:37 | noidd | mark: can only find US roms which are different |
| 19:22:51 | mark | noidd: are they? its what I'm using |
| 19:22:59 | mark | oh well, bug sharp uk :) |
| 19:23:02 | noidd | mark: from myzaurus.com? |
| 19:23:08 | tboc | kergoth: yeah but sometimes size does matter ;) |
| 19:23:12 | noidd | the one that says US only? |
| 19:23:21 | kergoth | tboc: hah, i HIGHLY doubt that was why :-) |
| 19:23:28 | noidd | mark: does your £ sign still work? |
| 19:23:30 | tboc | kergoth: hehe :) |
| 19:23:31 | mark | noidd: oh no, i use a sl5000 rom from sharp's developer site |
| 19:23:32 | noidd | pound sign |
| 19:23:39 | noidd | ah, |
| 19:23:40 | noidd | nm |
| 19:23:49 | tboc | kergoth: perhaps you could replace it? |
| 19:24:41 | tboc | kergoth: btw. have you already played something like mp3/wav/whatever with the internal buzzer? |
| 19:27:26 | jmhodges | problems kergoth_ ? |
| 19:27:46 | kergoth_ | stupid at&t broadband |
| 19:27:55 | jmhodges | ack! |
| 19:27:58 | kergoth | yeh, at&t broadband connection dropping agaain |
| 19:27:59 | jmhodges | still?! |
| 19:28:02 | tboc | kergoth: "<tboc> kergoth: btw. have you already played something like mp3/wav/whatever with the internal buzzer?" |
| 19:28:02 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:28:09 | jmhodges | did you yell at them hard enough? |
| 19:28:09 | jmhodges | :) |
| 19:28:10 | siriusnova | sup |
| 19:28:17 | jmhodges | hey siriusnova |
| 19:28:23 | siriusnova | hey jmhodges |
| 19:28:32 | kergoth | tboc: it plays inlined wave audio now. the driver is hardcoded with the 3 built in ones though, touchclick, keyclick, alarm |
| 19:28:43 | NeoTron | frustrating this is |
| 19:28:49 | tboc | kergoth: k, but there isn't a hardware limitation? |
| 19:28:50 | NeoTron | what can make thread creation fail I wonder |
| 19:28:52 | kergoth | tboc: the 3 sounds are inlined as character arrays in the driver |
| 19:28:59 | tboc | arg |
| 19:29:05 | kergoth | tboc: not to my knowledge. like i said, theres a 12 bit dac at our disposal |
| 19:29:15 | kergoth | tboc: i want to get us a regular dsp device for it |
| 19:29:30 | tboc | good to know that sharp chose the worst way to implement it ;) |
| 19:29:34 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 19:29:37 | kergoth | gross hacks, man |
| 19:29:42 | kergoth | which is why this port is taking so long |
| 19:29:52 | tboc | that'd be great |
| 19:29:54 | kergoth | bye bye hacks.. i have to find the right way to do things so rmk will accept them |
| 19:29:58 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:31:08 | siriusnova | gawd im hungry |
| 19:31:18 | siriusnova | i need some chinese food |
| 19:31:31 | SmBJ_ | heh |
| 19:31:41 | ljp | make up your mind.. Hungarian, or Chinese! |
| 19:31:49 | siriusnova | i like chinese |
| 19:31:55 | mark | ljp: is opie-mail2 urs? |
| 19:31:59 | siriusnova | not authentic of course |
| 19:31:59 | kergoth | mark: conber |
| 19:32:04 | kergoth | mark: lisa.de contributed it |
| 19:32:07 | ljp | no, that conbers,, from lisa.de |
| 19:32:13 | kergoth | yeh, that |
| 19:32:22 | siriusnova | but the bastardized americana version :) |
| 19:32:29 | ljp | I shoul learn to watch the screen when I type |
| 19:32:38 | mark | kergoth, ljp: ah okay, thanks. it good? |
| 19:32:56 | ljp | it will be |
| 19:33:04 | treke_ | once it works :) |
| 19:33:18 | mark | so its non functional atm? stay with mailit and its annoying lack of word wrap? |
| 19:33:23 | tboc | anyone working on something like a 'graphical du'? |
| 19:33:29 | NeoTron | cool. my dsp audio lib does work though |
| 19:33:30 | treke_ | mark: opie-mail2 is imap only |
| 19:33:37 | NeoTron | ..with bustem... |
| 19:33:37 | treke_ | does mailit do imap? |
| 19:33:39 | NeoTron | no more need for SDL there |
| 19:33:48 | mark | treke_: non usable for me then :). no idea re mailit |
| 19:33:50 | CloudChaser | imap only? |
| 19:33:51 | siriusnova | i had afghani food yesterday, gotta love dem kabobs. |
| 19:34:07 | siriusnova | :)) |
| 19:34:12 | treke_ | and it doesnt really seem to do imap, at least from the two servers I tried |
| 19:34:15 | mark | imap only, that sucks :/ |
| 19:34:23 | kergoth | mark: for now.. |
| 19:34:26 | CloudChaser | yeah |
| 19:34:31 | ljp | NeoTron: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:34:36 | kergoth | mark: he's making imap funcitonal and solid first |
| 19:34:41 | CloudChaser | well its unusable to pop3 |
| 19:34:43 | tboc | hey imap is good as you don't have to download all the attachment-crap on your Z ;) |
| 19:34:47 | CloudChaser | users obviously |
| 19:34:50 | NeoTron | get audio in RocketElite - SDL crashed on me |
| 19:34:56 | siriusnova | what I thought everyone used imap |
| 19:35:02 | CloudChaser | i don't |
| 19:35:05 | siriusnova | :oP |
| 19:35:07 | kergoth | i love imap |
| 19:35:08 | tboc | i can't :( |
| 19:35:09 | treke_ | hehe. imap is what I've been dying to get |
| 19:35:10 | NeoTron | however my own audio replacement for SDL (without mixing mind you), which is some 40 lines of code perhaps, also dies |
| 19:35:14 | mark | siriusnova: no.... |
| 19:35:15 | NeoTron | but works in bust'em |
| 19:35:21 | ljp | well, if you love it so much, why not marry it? |
| 19:35:28 | kergoth | shoots ljp |
| 19:35:28 | mark | logging on quickly and grabbing mail - isn't pop3 suited for that? |
| 19:35:38 | jmhodges | imap is my friend.. it would be a good friend but i dont have a perma connection :)\ |
| 19:35:39 | mark | shoots ljp too, although he is dead, just for the hell of it |
| 19:35:41 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 19:35:48 | kergoth | mark: I like imap, because I like having access to all my maildirs from everywhere I am |
| 19:35:51 | treke_ | mark: Yes. It isnt suitable for having roming access to all of your email |
| 19:35:53 | ljp | notices he's still wearing a kevlar vest |
| 19:35:55 | tboc | ljp: hey, what about all the divorces nowadays? ;) |
| 19:36:02 | kergoth | notices that shot hit ljp in the head |
| 19:36:03 | treke_ | shoots ljp in the head |
| 19:36:06 | kergoth | lol |
| 19:36:15 | mark | kergoth: na, that was my shot |
| 19:36:17 | CloudChaser | has a headache |
| 19:36:21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:36:23 | ljp | notices he stil lis wearing his kevlar hat |
| 19:36:25 | NetAmp | "Oh my God, they killed ljp!" |
| 19:36:28 | treke_ | CloudChaser: not as bad as ljp |
| 19:36:34 | kergoth | kevlar hat? lol |
| 19:36:34 | CloudChaser | true |
| 19:36:37 | kergoth | facemask too? |
| 19:36:39 | Nadav | shoots ljp in the balls |
| 19:36:45 | ljp | he.. full facemask |
| 19:36:50 | treke_ | now ljp just wishes he was dead |
| 19:36:51 | NetAmp | kevlar ball protector |
| 19:36:57 | Nadav | hah |
| 19:36:59 | Nadav | i was about to say.. |
| 19:37:07 | tboc | shoots ljp with a crossbow :P |
| 19:37:09 | ljp | dudes, I have a kevlar firewall |
| 19:37:11 | kergoth | slits ljp's throat. ear, to ear |
| 19:37:12 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 19:37:24 | NetAmp | kevlar Zaurus |
| 19:37:25 | treke_ | makes ljp listen to gangsta rap |
| 19:37:35 | ljp | notices he's still a shape-shifter |
| 19:37:35 | kergoth | man what did i start |
| 19:37:37 | kergoth | lol |
| 19:37:44 | siriusnova | the stock Z mail app blows goats tho, it downloads ALL the folders in my home directory and any text files as messages!!! |
| 19:37:45 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 19:38:10 | kergoth | gets out the flamethrower. shapeshift this! |
| 19:38:20 | siriusnova | heh |
| 19:38:28 | ljp | notices he's related to metal-man |
| 19:38:29 | tboc | is there a way to tell pop3 that it shouldn't download attachments or even shouldn't download some sort of message at all like imap does? |
| 19:38:46 | mark | tboc: kmail does that with pop3, dont know how though |
| 19:39:09 | ljp | ya, just write it so it downloads just the header |
| 19:39:15 | tboc | gets the rare-earth-compound-magnet |
| 19:39:25 | tboc | ljp: ha, face that ;P |
| 19:39:43 | ljp | 's metal is non magnetic |
| 19:39:43 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 19:39:44 | tboc | mark: and i thought with pop you wouldn't be able to ... |
| 19:40:04 | kergoth | tboc: do it in the app, not as a function of the protocol |
| 19:40:26 | kergoth | bbiaf |
| 19:40:33 | tboc | kergoth: yeah, but you have to download the whole msg with pop, not just the header right? |
| 19:40:35 | NetAmp | could make good TV series, "mighty morphin' ljp" |
| 19:40:54 | NetAmp | ofcourse the Zaurus would have a lead role... |
| 19:41:13 | NetAmp | and so would pingizauru |
| 19:41:17 | NetAmp | calls Spielberg |
| 19:41:22 | whardier | heh |
| 19:41:23 | tboc | mark: perhaps kmail just pretends to do so and downloads the whole crap and deletes it instantly ;) |
| 19:41:26 | treke_ | calls an orderly |
| 19:41:31 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 19:41:31 | treke_ | someone needs his pills |
| 19:41:35 | mark | tboc: heh, no :) |
| 19:41:43 | NetAmp | took the red pill |
| 19:41:43 | jmhodges | hey whardier didnt know you were arround |
| 19:41:52 | CloudChaser | if you download only mail headers, how do you read your mail? |
| 19:42:02 | mark | it downloads the headers |
| 19:42:02 | tboc | mark: hmm, time to read some whitepapers ;) |
| 19:42:03 | whardier | I AM |
| 19:42:11 | mark | matches it against a rule, if it likes it downloads it, otherwise doesn't, i presume |
| 19:42:19 | tboc | yepo |
| 19:42:20 | tboc | -o |
| 19:42:35 | siriusnova | aurus mail app downloads entire folders and any text files in them in you root directory as mail, and not JUST the mail folders???? |
| 19:42:44 | tboc | this way you don't get all the spam/attachments/etc |
| 19:42:49 | siriusnova | anyone knoe why? |
| 19:42:59 | siriusnova | Z |
| 19:43:00 | treke_ | siriusnova: Because it doesnt know what your mail folder is |
| 19:43:08 | CloudChaser | dunno but any time i triedd to get mail on the z it ran out of memory and locked up |
| 19:43:27 | siriusnova | treke, ok, how do I change that? |
| 19:43:41 | siriusnova | anything on the server? |
| 19:43:51 | tboc | CloudChaser: sure that some win-user didn't want to send you his newest powerpoint-presentation? ;) |
| 19:44:02 | noidd | haha, I am such an idiot |
| 19:44:07 | siriusnova | i use imap-uw on ny FreeBSD box |
| 19:44:12 | siriusnova | my |
| 19:44:14 | treke_ | siriusnova: Nope. your pretty much out of luck I think |
| 19:44:24 | noidd | "Please make sure your Zaurus has power the whole time" plus "open the battery compartment" etc |
| 19:44:39 | siriusnova | treke_' fu*k any alternatives? |
| 19:44:41 | noidd | So, how am I meant to open the battery compartment with it in its cradle? |
| 19:44:46 | noidd | slaps his own head |
| 19:44:46 | CloudChaser | tboc: what happened is, i have mail on server |
| 19:44:49 | kergoth | noidd: plug power directly into the Z. |
| 19:44:55 | CloudChaser | the z downloaded it all |
| 19:45:00 | CloudChaser | i deleted them all one by one |
| 19:45:03 | CloudChaser | check mail again |
| 19:45:07 | treke_ | siriusnova: bug sharp |
| 19:45:11 | CloudChaser | and the stupid z downloaded all of them all over again |
| 19:45:13 | siriusnova | ok |
| 19:45:14 | tboc | oh :( |
| 19:45:18 | NetAmp | *yawn* I'm off... |
| 19:45:21 | NetAmp | l8r folks |
| 19:45:21 | siriusnova | what about tkcMail |
| 19:45:29 | CloudChaser | its not out is it? |
| 19:45:33 | siriusnova | no |
| 19:45:35 | treke_ | not yet |
| 19:45:40 | siriusnova | anyone got a beta? |
| 19:45:41 | CloudChaser | then i can't use it |
| 19:45:42 | whardier | needs to make an open clothes liscence |
| 19:45:45 | noidd | kergoth: Yeah - I got that after 30 seconds of looking at it and thinking that I was missing something obvious :-) |
| 19:45:46 | siriusnova | :) |
| 19:45:47 | tboc | siriusnova: i'm not sure but i bought the Z because it was related to opensource ... |
| 19:46:23 | CloudChaser | everything i need is "coming soon" |
| 19:46:30 | mark | whardier: heh. |
| 19:46:35 | CloudChaser | cept... no ETA on "soon" |
| 19:46:45 | treke_ | tkcMail is supposed to be 1-2 weeks |
| 19:46:54 | CloudChaser | looks at the carrot dangling out in front of her |
| 19:46:55 | ljp | has yet to buy a Z |
| 19:46:58 | mark | tkcRacing is about a week i think. :) |
| 19:47:05 | mark | ljp: yeh, me too. I really need to win another one |
| 19:47:13 | ljp | haheha |
| 19:47:14 | CloudChaser | well yeah game is much more important than mail! |
| 19:47:32 | siriusnova | heh |
| 19:47:34 | mark | ljp: you gonna enter into sharp's next minicontest? |
| 19:47:35 | siriusnova | brb |
| 19:47:49 | whardier | has a penguin beak up his ass |
| 19:48:00 | CloudChaser | hehe owie whardier: |
| 19:48:10 | jmhodges | Lol |
| 19:48:13 | whardier | checkit |
| 19:48:14 | whardier | http://hardwire.bogomip.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=Artwork&page=1 |
| 19:48:22 | ljp | java contest? |
| 19:48:31 | mark | ljp: nah, the one after that |
| 19:48:35 | MSpin | hands whardier some BSD spray |
| 19:48:44 | CloudChaser | don't see no penguin |
| 19:48:52 | jmhodges | finally Wine is d/led |
| 19:48:55 | jmhodges | :) |
| 19:48:58 | kergoth | jmhodges: cvs? ;-) |
| 19:49:13 | kergoth | hm i should install X |
| 19:49:36 | jmhodges | kergoth: nope.. regular wine |
| 19:49:42 | kergoth | jmhodges: ah |
| 19:49:43 | jmhodges | kergoth: using it to install hopefully |
| 19:49:46 | kergoth | jmhodges: slacker |
| 19:49:48 | kergoth | jmhodges : :-P |
| 19:49:54 | ljp | mark: I havent heard of another contest |
| 19:49:55 | jmhodges | and then running with cvs :) |
| 19:49:58 | jmhodges | kergoth: hehe |
| 19:50:07 | kergoth | jmhodges: there's a install script in cvs |
| 19:50:13 | kergoth | jmhodges: like scripts/wineinstall or some shit |
| 19:50:15 | kergoth | iirc |
| 19:50:30 | jmhodges | kergoth: yeah and it sucks.. so i created a module for lunar for it :) |
| 19:50:33 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:50:39 | jmhodges | the mailing list voted it down :( |
| 19:51:01 | jmhodges | said they were bothered by transgamings attitude and licensing |
| 19:51:08 | kergoth | yeah a lot of people seem to be |
| 19:51:12 | kergoth | i'm tempted to buy the product |
| 19:51:15 | jmhodges | (a few weeks later the deb debacle happened) |
| 19:51:20 | kergoth | its quite good, regardless of the license |
| 19:51:22 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:51:28 | jmhodges | i like it |
| 19:51:35 | kergoth | works surprisingly well |
| 19:51:37 | noidd | erm, should the file ospack be in small or caps? it changed case when I copied it onto the cf ??!?!??! |
| 19:51:43 | noidd | is that normal? |
| 19:51:43 | ljp | I have a drivers license |
| 19:51:43 | kergoth | noidd: doesnt matter |
| 19:51:44 | jmhodges | i think the main reason they gpl really is because of the DMCA |
| 19:51:48 | noidd | kergoth: ok, thanks |
| 19:51:50 | jmhodges | but im sure its a nice little thing for them :) |
| 19:51:52 | kergoth | noidd: the CF must be formatted vfat.. which doesnt care |
| 19:52:07 | MSpin | people get so uppity about OSS licenses |
| 19:52:07 | noidd | yup, its vfat |
| 19:52:11 | jmhodges | s/they/they dont/ |
| 19:52:13 | jmhodges | damn |
| 19:52:14 | whardier | http://hardwire.bogomip.com/gallery/view_photo.php?full=1&set_albumName=Artwork&id=aay <- my kitty |
| 19:52:15 | treke_ | canceled his account becuse he didnt like transgamings attitude |
| 19:52:15 | kergoth | yeah, damn zealots |
| 19:52:16 | jmhodges | cant type |
| 19:52:37 | jmhodges | i got a binary from a friend for my bday :) |
| 19:52:50 | jmhodges | he said he'd keep sending them to me :D |
| 19:52:52 | kergoth | tar's up his dev env and downloads it to his local box |
| 19:53:01 | jmhodges | ooooooo! |
| 19:53:07 | jmhodges | is excited |
| 19:53:35 | kergoth | I've got a couple kinks to work out of the next initrd before i release it.. but it'll be out today |
| 19:53:38 | kergoth | woot. |
| 19:53:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:53:49 | jmhodges | sweeeeeet |
| 19:53:55 | kergoth | whardier: oz 3b10.3 releases today |
| 19:53:56 | jmhodges | keeps an eye on the sf page |
| 19:54:07 | kergoth | hey george |
| 19:54:08 | ljp | notices its better not to use function names like P1() and P2() |
| 19:54:09 | jmhodges | will be refreshing whenever hes not playing NWN |
| 19:54:18 | jmhodges | lol ljp |
| 19:54:20 | MSpin | woohoo |
| 19:54:20 | jmhodges | good idea |
| 19:54:27 | kergoth | jmhodges: what character have ya got? |
| 19:54:35 | treke_ | keeps waiting for nwn |
| 19:54:40 | kergoth | jmhodges: i have a lvl13 lawful evil monk, atm |
| 19:54:50 | kergoth | treke_: they have any timeline info on that yet? |
| 19:54:55 | noidd | here goes |
| 19:54:55 | treke_ | kergoth: Nope :( |
| 19:54:59 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 19:55:13 | jmhodges | kergoth: nothing yet :( wine is compiling |
| 19:55:18 | treke_ | Checked the forums today. Just a flameware entitles" Linux port?, Who cares!" |
| 19:55:26 | jmhodges | kergoth: i installed on windows but i decided i like it better on linux :) |
| 19:55:27 | kergoth | oi |
| 19:55:31 | kergoth | jmhodges: dont blame ya |
| 19:55:42 | jmhodges | ;) |
| 19:55:56 | NeoTron | stomps up and down in frustration |
| 19:56:04 | jmhodges | NeoTron: whatas up? |
| 19:56:06 | whardier | stomps on NeoTron |
| 19:56:12 | whardier | I CAN JUMP HIGHER THAN YOUUU CAN! |
| 19:56:13 | treke_ | defends NeoTron |
| 19:56:15 | kergoth | stomps on whardier |
| 19:56:20 | whardier | Aww.. |
| 19:56:23 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 19:56:23 | treke_ | takes the brunt of the stomping |
| 19:56:33 | jmhodges | stomps on all of them... mario-esque |
| 19:56:39 | ljp | notices theres too much violence on #zaurus today |
| 19:56:40 | whardier | Luigigieee |
| 19:56:43 | Nadav | hah |
| 19:56:46 | jmhodges | *boing* |
| 19:56:48 | kergoth | hears the super mario 3 theme in his mind |
| 19:56:50 | treke_ | must defend... need candy... cruncher |
| 19:57:08 | oGMo | hrm |
| 19:57:20 | NeoTron | jmhodges: fscking pthread_create crash |
| 19:57:26 | oGMo | i installed ssh, but it'll like print 2 lines, wait forever, then print the rest |
| 19:57:27 | jmhodges | doo doo doo dodododo doodoo dodo ... |
| 19:57:33 | NeoTron | actually, the thread I create seems to function correctly |
| 19:57:36 | oGMo | wonders what he screwed up |
| 19:57:36 | whardier | QUIT IT! |
| 19:57:43 | NeoTron | it's the calling thread that dies |
| 19:57:47 | jmhodges | NeoTron: ick |
| 19:58:35 | kergoth | downloads the theme to leisure suit larry |
| 19:58:46 | jmhodges | yow wine with opitimizations is a bitch on the proc and mem.. and swap |
| 19:58:48 | treke_ | hehe |
| 19:58:55 | jmhodges | flynn looks like hell |
| 19:59:22 | noiddFLSH | this is the longest three mins of my life |
| 19:59:29 | ljp | whardier: got any good mp3's? |
| 19:59:32 | whardier | yeah |
| 19:59:35 | jmhodges | hehe noiddFLSH |
| 19:59:40 | kergoth | treke_: you here they may make another lsl? |
| 19:59:44 | George- | here |
| 19:59:45 | George- | back |
| 19:59:46 | George- | blah |
| 19:59:46 | George- | :) |
| 19:59:56 | treke_ | kergoth: Really? |
| 20:00:02 | kergoth | treke_: yeah, they contacted Al Lowe! |
| 20:00:09 | kergoth | treke_: dont remember where i read it |
| 20:00:10 | treke_ | I liked the little movie of the possible larry 8, disappointedit got canned |
| 20:00:14 | treke_ | checks allowe.com |
| 20:00:18 | jmhodges | lsl ? |
| 20:00:22 | kergoth | leisure suit larry |
| 20:00:23 | jmhodges | oooh |
| 20:00:24 | jmhodges | ne/m |
| 20:00:26 | jmhodges | yah :) |
| 20:00:33 | kergoth | classic adventure game |
| 20:02:13 | noiddFLSH | erm, when they say three mins.. should I be worried its approaching 8 mins? |
| 20:02:26 | kergoth | noiddFLSH: are both lights on solid? |
| 20:02:35 | noiddFLSH | kergoth: yes, both still solid |
| 20:02:43 | kergoth | noiddFLSH: are you using a microdrive or CF card? |
| 20:02:47 | noiddFLSH | drive |
| 20:02:50 | kergoth | noiddFLSH: keep waiting. |
| 20:02:59 | noiddFLSH | ah, drive is slower? |
| 20:03:12 | kergoth | noiddFLSH: i heard flash off of one of those takes a while |
| 20:03:14 | kergoth | dont have one myself |
| 20:03:14 | tboc | btw. any chance that we'll ever get the source of the SD-driver for the z from sharp? |
| 20:03:22 | kergoth | tboc: no |
| 20:03:24 | George- | kergoth: I'm gonna base the Intimate booting sequence on OZ :) |
| 20:03:27 | tboc | k |
| 20:03:35 | kergoth | George-: hah. OZ doesnt use an initrd though :-) |
| 20:03:50 | tboc | kergoth: then perhaps a fix so that MMC cards work properly? =) |
| 20:03:51 | George- | kergoth: erm, it does, sorta |
| 20:03:53 | noiddFLSH | kergoth: the drive just shut down - thats a good sign I guess |
| 20:03:54 | George- | kergoth: well |
| 20:03:55 | kergoth | tboc: hopefully |
| 20:04:02 | George- | kergoth: it loads an initrd.bin from flash =P |
| 20:04:07 | kergoth | George-: initrd.bin = rootfs |
| 20:04:14 | George- | kergoth: oh right |
| 20:04:18 | kergoth | George-: initmate mounts a real initrd, then mounts the root on the card. |
| 20:04:27 | George- | kergoth: well that's what I kept meaning when I was talking about intimate |
| 20:04:32 | tboc | kergoth: because i just returned a sandisk-MMC and almost bought a SD ;) |
| 20:04:40 | George- | kergoth: NO! Intimate uses anything to kick-start the process |
| 20:04:42 | kergoth | tboc: ah.. |
| 20:04:46 | George- | kergoth: on an iPaq, it uses familiar |
| 20:05:06 | kergoth | George-: ah, so you take a OZ install and use it to launch off the intimate boot process? |
| 20:05:35 | tboc | kergoth: hmm... or could you just use the SD module of the original kernel with a newer one? |
| 20:05:36 | George- | kergoth: yes |
| 20:05:47 | George- | kergoth: and then it pivot_root's to the intimate system |
| 20:05:48 | noiddFLSH | kergoth: ok, this looks bad. |
| 20:05:57 | noiddFLSH | kergoth: I have one light on |
| 20:05:58 | George- | kergoth: (pivot_root is sorta like chroot, but is system wide) |
| 20:06:09 | kergoth | tboc: no |
| 20:06:23 | kergoth | tboc: But Tim Riker has committed to build me a new binary module for the updated kernel. |
| 20:06:27 | noiddFLSH | kergoth: that could just mean the battery is charging but the docs said both should go off |
| 20:06:35 | kergoth | noiddFLSH: yeah thats harmless |
| 20:06:45 | kergoth | George-: gotcha. cool. |
| 20:06:49 | tboc | kergoth: so he's working for sharp i guess? |
| 20:06:51 | kergoth | tboc: no |
| 20:06:59 | kergoth | tboc: Tim Riker = bzflag = CTO of Lineo |
| 20:07:08 | tboc | oh, ic =) |
| 20:07:33 | George- | kergoth: what intimate does is it just supplies an ipk with a script to kickstart the process, and a binary "pivot-root" |
| 20:07:35 | treke_ | kergoth: Just dawned on me that I never played Larry 7. Time to hunt it down :) |
| 20:07:44 | George- | kergoth: if I could supply a similar ipk for OZ.. :) |
| 20:08:12 | kergoth | George-: hehe. cool |
| 20:08:16 | kergoth | treke_: hah |
| 20:08:34 | George- | kergoth: is there anyway, though, of releasing OZ from RAM once intimate has booted? |
| 20:08:43 | treke_ | it came out after I switched to an os that sucked for games :) |
| 20:09:16 | jmhodges | damit |
| 20:09:16 | jmhodges | so many stupid problems.. |
| 20:09:16 | tboc | treke_: windows? ;) |
| 20:09:16 | treke_ | nt4 |
| 20:09:16 | kergoth | George-: OZ doesnt reside in ram |
| 20:09:18 | tboc | treke_: oh... yeah |
| 20:09:19 | kergoth | George-: the oz filesystem will still reside in flash, wont hurt you any |
| 20:09:21 | treke_ | dx3 or bust :) |
| 20:09:30 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:09:51 | George- | kergoth: oh, great |
| 20:11:12 | kergoth | George-: it'd be nifty to have a boot menu to select between OZ + opie and intimate |
| 20:11:21 | George- | kergoth: haha |
| 20:11:24 | George- | kergoth: no chance :) |
| 20:11:33 | George- | kergoth: (well I'm not doing it, anyway) |
| 20:11:54 | kergoth | George-: hehe. no reason not to, you've got 16mb of flash sitting there useless :-) |
| 20:11:54 | George- | btw kergoth, I built a kernel (that works) with mem=32M |
| 20:11:59 | George- | kergoth: do you want the config? |
| 20:12:07 | kergoth | George-: already got it :-) |
| 20:12:12 | kergoth | George-: thanks though |
| 20:12:12 | George- | kergoth: hah, ok |
| 20:12:36 | George- | kergoth: does that mean b10.3 has been released yet? *g* |
| 20:13:03 | kergoth | George-: will be today |
| 20:13:15 | whardier | annoys the neighbors with his best Maynard James Keenan'ness |
| 20:13:16 | George- | kergoth: oh joy! |
| 20:13:25 | kergoth | noidd: http://hyperion.digitalnemesis.net/~kergoth/collie2/drivers/serial/serial_sa1100.c .. console write function, take a look |
| 20:13:33 | George- | kergoth: because once I've got intimate ported, I'm going back to OZ (I only have a 160MB CF, not big enough) |
| 20:13:37 | whardier | kergoth you left out my animation in the framebuffer init |
| 20:13:43 | noidd | thinks he is suffering from new-ROM hallucinations... i'm sure the last ROM wasn't so slim on its install on the ramdisk |
| 20:13:52 | noidd | kergoth: gotcha - looking |
| 20:13:53 | kergoth | whardier: get me the animated LogoScreen, i couldnt find it |
| 20:14:01 | whardier | it was in the collie_fb |
| 20:14:09 | kergoth | noidd : you using OZ or sharp? |
| 20:14:16 | noidd | keroth: 404 |
| 20:14:28 | whardier | I don't know where it could be now |
| 20:14:33 | kergoth | noidd: oops, hold |
| 20:14:38 | noidd | kergoth: that was sharp - wanted to make sure that if I was goingt to break it it would have been with one of their ROMs :-) |
| 20:14:44 | kergoth | noidd: ah, gotcha ;-) |
| 20:14:52 | noidd | kergoth: reccomend me an OZ ROM and i'll flash it now. |
| 20:14:58 | kergoth | bk -r edit -q |
| 20:15:11 | kergoth | noidd: wait on it, oz3b10.3 comes out today |
| 20:15:31 | George- | wonders if it's possible to put Wince on a Z |
| 20:15:46 | George- | kergoth: seriously, what's UP with that versioning scheme, hehe |
| 20:15:47 | CloudChaser | bite your tongue george! |
| 20:15:54 | kergoth | George-: hehe. |
| 20:15:55 | noidd | kergoth: why would you WANT to? |
| 20:15:56 | George- | bites CloudChaser's head off |
| 20:16:00 | CloudChaser | ummm |
| 20:16:06 | kergoth | George-: technically, this is version 0.9.something |
| 20:16:15 | kergoth | George-: or 2.9.something |
| 20:16:19 | George- | kergoth: well, make it version 0.9.3 :) |
| 20:16:23 | kergoth | noidd: ? |
| 20:16:35 | noidd | sorry kergoth, ignore that |
| 20:16:36 | George- | kergoth: I think noidd was trying to address me |
| 20:16:44 | kergoth | George-: well, oz 3.0 final is about to release, so its basically 2.9.3 |
| 20:16:47 | noidd | whips himself into sumbission |
| 20:17:21 | kergoth | noidd: try that url again |
| 20:17:27 | jmhodges | dammit |
| 20:17:33 | jmhodges | having oh so many bad things happen :( |
| 20:17:45 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 20:17:59 | CloudChaser | s |
| 20:18:01 | CloudChaser | s |
| 20:18:03 | noidd | kergoth: wierd mime type but I got it |
| 20:18:04 | CloudChaser | ack |
| 20:18:18 | CloudChaser | what's the matter jm? |
| 20:18:45 | kergoth | noidd: JUST installed apache.. stock mime types and config.. hehe |
| 20:18:55 | noidd | hehe, tis cool |
| 20:19:24 | noidd | kergoth: worked well actually since it let me save it as opposing to viewing it. Was just surprised - never seen mime-type x-csrc |
| 20:19:30 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: cant get bin winex to make nwn install work right |
| 20:19:33 | jmhodges | im getting pissed |
| 20:19:37 | jmhodges | i dont know why its happening |
| 20:20:08 | CloudChaser | :( |
| 20:23:14 | noidd | kergoth: which part do you want me to look at? the serial console stuff or the driver stuff? i'm assuming the flow control stuff since we're talking about that earlier |
| 20:23:39 | kergoth | noidd: take a look at the serial console write function, thats whats being called to write data out the port in these circumstances. |
| 20:23:48 | noidd | ok |
| 20:24:03 | kergoth | noidd: it looks great to me, so i dont know whats causing the problem.. |
| 20:24:15 | kergoth | noidd: I may have to pester linux-arm-kernel mailing list. |
| 20:24:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:24:27 | noidd | rather you than me ;-0 |
| 20:24:46 | kergoth | I hate pestering people who know that much more than me, i'd rather try to work it out myself, you know? |
| 20:25:24 | noidd | kergoth: in theory I agree with you... but my track record on this channel testifies against my the last few days :-) |
| 20:25:44 | kergoth | noidd: hehe |
| 20:26:08 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:26:25 | kergoth | noidd: i wonder if there's something i can enable on my desktop to get kernel messages when my buffer gets overrun.. |
| 20:26:36 | kergoth | noidd: that way i can verify that its not the buffer on the desktop being overrun |
| 20:26:45 | noidd | oh, thats interesting... didn't realise that the console appended \r to serial console |
| 20:26:49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:26:54 | kergoth | me neither, till i looked at that |
| 20:27:14 | noidd | kergoth: you got the link at 9k6? |
| 20:27:39 | kergoth | noidd: tried varying rates.. when i thought the problem was the Z's output buffer i cranked it to 115200 so the buffer could drain faster |
| 20:28:03 | kergoth | theoretically anyway |
| 20:28:04 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:28:49 | noidd | kergoth: you need a way of notifying on the zaurus when the kernel thinks the buffer is full - just as a test |
| 20:29:04 | noidd | kergoth: is it easy to just wiggle on the email light or something? |
| 20:29:05 | jmhodges | cris |
| 20:29:11 | jmhodges | booting into windows.. |
| 20:29:14 | jmhodges | so i can paly nwn |
| 20:29:17 | kergoth | noidd: hmm not really, I hadnt merged the led code yet. hehe |
| 20:29:18 | jmhodges | is so depressed |
| 20:29:20 | jmhodges | stupid winex |
| 20:29:22 | kergoth | noidd: i'll look into it |
| 20:29:28 | noidd | kergoth: how about powerdown? |
| 20:29:39 | kergoth | noidd: how would i know the difference? |
| 20:29:44 | noidd | kergoth: what I see here looks perfectly sane |
| 20:29:46 | kergoth | noidd: even the power light is off right now, i dont have that code in |
| 20:29:51 | kergoth | noidd: i thought so too..hmm |
| 20:29:58 | noidd | ah, ok |
| 20:30:05 | ljp | notices whardiers servers is 1/5th as fast as Lineo's |
| 20:30:14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:32:08 | noidd | kergoth: is TNF near full or not full again? |
| 20:33:40 | kergoth | noidd: TNF = transmit not full. so that loop is just to spin while it's full. |
| 20:33:49 | noidd | ok |
| 20:33:50 | kergoth | noidd: which seems just fine |
| 20:33:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:36:06 | noidd | kergoth is a defensive programmer |
| 20:37:02 | kergoth | noidd: ? |
| 20:37:37 | noidd | I'm just impressed with your checks around the additional \r |
| 20:37:50 | kergoth | noidd: heh, its not my code :-P |
| 20:37:56 | noidd | a few would have been tempted to say "ah, whats the odd of *THAT* happeneing? |
| 20:38:12 | noidd | haha, ok |
| 20:38:27 | kergoth | noidd: That's the stock sa1100 serial driver, likely done by rmk or nicholas pitre |
| 20:38:51 | noidd | I don't know either of them... but i'm ammused at the paranoia level :-) |
| 20:39:40 | Twiun | returns from the dead |
| 20:39:46 | noidd | hey Twiun |
| 20:39:47 | kergoth | noidd: they're two of the major arm linux folks |
| 20:39:49 | kergoth | hey Twiun |
| 20:40:01 | Twiun | waves |
| 20:40:40 | noidd | kergoth: it will take me a few weeks of lurking to get myself installed in the appropriate mailing lists etc. |
| 20:43:43 | noidd | <-- still on the vertical learning curve. But thats good as its the most fun. |
| 20:43:43 | mark | wonders where his handy is |
| 20:43:43 | kergoth | noidd: hehe. thats cool. I agree, its a lot of fun where's still a great deal to learn |
| 20:43:43 | kergoth | noidd: I've been lurking on the lists for a while now.. still have a LOT to learn about this stuff |
| 20:43:43 | noidd | one gets bored of knowing everything, it is so tiresome :-) |
| 20:43:43 | Twiun | Hah, a true woman speaking ;-) |
| 20:43:45 | | noidd's ego is nothing but a common-kissing thimbleful of mammering poopy. |
| 20:43:45 | noidd | ibot, insult noidd's ego |
| 20:43:45 | | noidd: sorry... |
| 20:43:45 | noidd | ibot knows better :-) |
| 20:43:45 | Twiun | hehe |
| 20:43:45 | jmhodges | waiting for nwn to update |
| 20:43:45 | jmhodges | whats up? |
| 20:43:45 | kergoth | nada |
| 20:43:46 | jmhodges | grrrrreat! |
| 20:43:46 | Twiun | Hmmm.... ibot seems a little deaf |
| 20:43:57 | noidd | and so you should be |
| 20:44:07 | | women are always right, always gorgeous and always have the last word |
| 20:44:07 | Twiun | ibot: women |
| 20:44:12 | Twiun | grins |
| 20:44:18 | noidd | ibot is well trained |
| 20:44:31 | Twiun | He's the all-knowing... |
| 20:44:31 | jmhodges | hwhw |
| 20:44:49 | Twiun | actually... I forgot that one... women ARE all-knowing... |
| 20:44:52 | jmhodges | hm.. cant decide on a class |
| 20:45:05 | whardier | mplayer http://segfault.bogomip.com/emma.avi |
| 20:45:09 | jmhodges | Sorcerer? rogue? bard? wizard? ranger? druid? monk? |
| 20:45:18 | kergoth | jmhodges: I ended up creating one of each |
| 20:45:19 | noidd | jmhodges: EQ? |
| 20:45:26 | jmhodges | noidd: NWN |
| 20:45:26 | kergoth | noidd: nwn |
| 20:45:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:45:29 | jmhodges | :) |
| 20:45:46 | noidd | never heard of nwn - but EQ takes up too much of my time. |
| 20:45:48 | kergoth | jmhodges: took me a long time to decide who i wanted to play as, had to try them all out |
| 20:45:57 | kergoth | noidd: nwn = Neverwinter Nights |
| 20:45:57 | Twiun | noidd: NWN can be played single player too ;-) |
| 20:46:05 | Twiun | that's why I got it |
| 20:46:13 | noidd | the answer is enchanter. |
| 20:46:15 | noidd | :-) |
| 20:46:26 | Twiun | quit EQ... reached level 49... then thought... too much time spent waiting for the US to get organised ;-) |
| 20:46:31 | jmhodges | i think thats how im going to play it until i get to my edu :) damn 56k here |
| 20:46:40 | noidd | Twiun: which server? |
| 20:46:40 | jmhodges | US ? |
| 20:46:45 | jmhodges | OH |
| 20:46:47 | Twiun | noidd: Torvonnilous |
| 20:46:59 | noidd | Gotcha, i'm on Vazaelle |
| 20:47:04 | noidd | 57 Enchanter |
| 20:47:08 | Twiun | noidd: I donated my chars to friends of mine in Canada ;-) |
| 20:47:14 | kergoth | hmm grub-install hung probing my devices |
| 20:47:35 | jmhodges | nice Twiun |
| 20:47:35 | mark | shit - is it just me or does mailit not do smpt auth? |
| 20:47:35 | jmhodges | ouch kergoth |
| 20:47:35 | Twiun | noidd: You're a braver soul than me |
| 20:47:43 | jmhodges | kergoth: how far did you go into each char? |
| 20:47:45 | noidd | Twiun: but you'll miss all the camping of MOBs that spawn randomly ... like the AC |
| 20:47:46 | Twiun | mark: probably doesn't do smtp auth |
| 20:47:55 | Twiun | noidd: Did that ;-) |
| 20:47:58 | mark | Twiun: bugger bugger bugger. I can't send emails when away then. |
| 20:48:07 | kergoth | jmhodges: depends. I got each to about level 5 or so to get a basic feel for the classes |
| 20:48:09 | Twiun | noidd: Spend a lot of time in KC too |
| 20:48:12 | noidd | Twiun: haha |
| 20:48:16 | jmhodges | kergoth: cool |
| 20:48:19 | noidd | Twiun: NOOOOO, not KC - argh |
| 20:48:27 | Twiun | shouts TRAIN... TRAIN left you bastards! |
| 20:48:34 | noidd | haha |
| 20:48:35 | jmhodges | wonders if the the DM app will let him skip ahead in the campaign :) |
| 20:48:41 | jmhodges | lol |
| 20:48:52 | noidd | something is always the same on every server |
| 20:48:53 | Twiun | jmhodges: Hehe, tried that already ;-) |
| 20:48:55 | noidd | sniggers |
| 20:49:01 | jmhodges | kergoth: once i get going im going to have to pull you and another guy i know into a module :) |
| 20:49:01 | Twiun | Oh yeah |
| 20:49:16 | jmhodges | ooo! you too Twiun! |
| 20:49:28 | jmhodges | oh and nhudson.. |
| 20:49:32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:49:38 | jmhodges | have a little #lunar/#zaurus action going on |
| 20:49:43 | oGMo | hmm |
| 20:49:45 | Twiun | Yup, I don't think you can bypass the levels... but you can start them very, VERY rich |
| 20:49:46 | jmhodges | no .. wait |
| 20:49:57 | W|GGL|T | there's no real action in irc :oP |
| 20:49:58 | jmhodges | its just #zaurus.. all the nwn players i know have z's |
| 20:49:59 | kergoth | I'm glad they released the nwn dedicated server |
| 20:50:03 | jmhodges | heheh Twiun |
| 20:50:06 | Twiun | Hehe |
| 20:50:07 | jmhodges | kergoth: same here! |
| 20:50:15 | noidd | Just remember.... EQ is irc with pointy sticks |
| 20:50:19 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:50:20 | jmhodges | im going to have to find some hardware to run it on.. |
| 20:50:24 | Twiun | me too... although I just can't wait for the NWN client |
| 20:50:29 | jmhodges | if i get that it job at bgsu ... hmmm.. |
| 20:50:32 | Twiun | noidd: Too true |
| 20:50:38 | jmhodges | mmmm... linux native binaries |
| 20:50:47 | jmhodges | s/it/IT/ |
| 20:50:49 | Twiun | noidd: Oh and severs RSI from mouse movements in the cruddy interface |
| 20:50:51 | SirPsycho-home | i just flash with OZ and i cant get wireless to work now.. anyone have any suggestions? |
| 20:50:54 | noidd | Twiun: I know i'm going to be in Chardok at 3am. I'm not addicted... no no no! |
| 20:51:41 | noidd | Twiun: will Planes of Power tempt you back? :-) |
| 20:52:01 | kergoth | brb |
| 20:52:12 | Twiun | Nope... I gave up especially seeing as I'm not in the mood to upgrade my pcs ;-) |
| 20:52:22 | jmhodges | SirPsycho-home: load the module? :/ dunno |
| 20:52:30 | Twiun | and there's no windows partition on this box... not since the last windows install fried my motherboard |
| 20:52:43 | SirPsycho-home | do i have to load a module for the dlink CF card? |
| 20:53:00 | noidd | kergoth: should I definatly wait for the next OZ ROM this evening? or will I get a fair idea from the latest thats on there now? |
| 20:53:05 | jmhodges | dunno SirPsycho-home.. really not the one to ask sorry for answhering |
| 20:53:14 | jmhodges | SirPsycho-home: the new rom is coming out tonight :) |
| 20:53:40 | SirPsycho-home | cool =) |
| 20:53:53 | ljp | yaa.. ssuuurrreee... |
| 20:53:53 | SirPsycho-home | any eta? =) |
| 20:54:29 | noidd | its 23:00 so it will prolly be when I wake up tomorrow :-) |
| 20:56:12 | oGMo | hrm, i can't su to root |
| 20:56:36 | jmhodges | sweet updated |
| 20:56:56 | jmhodges | au revoir non-nwn playing suckers.. :) |
| 20:58:02 | jmhodges | or im going to fucking d/l sp pack2 or greater |
| 20:58:12 | jmhodges | cause nwn wont let me play otherwise |
| 20:58:15 | jmhodges | dammit |
| 20:58:18 | Twiun | Hehe... which windows? |
| 20:58:23 | ][N-Flux | is away: Fixing crap |
| 20:58:23 | jmhodges | is thinking nwn doesnt want him to play |
| 20:58:30 | jmhodges | Twiun: unfortunately yes, |
| 20:58:32 | Speedy2 | re |
| 20:58:38 | jmhodges | winex binary kept fscking up |
| 20:58:53 | Twiun | jmhodges: Patience... I'm sure the native linux binaries will turn up |
| 20:59:04 | noidd | does the OZ ROM image come in OSPACK format? |
| 20:59:05 | Twiun | Heya Speedy2 |
| 20:59:09 | Speedy2 | Hi Twiun |
| 20:59:12 | SirPsycho-home | noidd: sure does.. |
| 20:59:22 | SirPsycho-home | oh.. OZ.. dunno |
| 20:59:33 | jmhodges | Twiun: i know :/ but dammit i wnat them now like they said they would have them.. |
| 20:59:54 | jmhodges | thought the box was supposed to have mac/win/lin binaries all in one box .. or so he was told |
| 21:00:07 | jmhodges | but i found out otehrwise a while ago ;) |
| 21:02:15 | whardier | enters "HARDWIRE 6969: Raver chicks Want ME" mode. |
| 21:02:21 | noidd | Twiun: haha, talk of the devil - I just got a call.. been summoned into action by my gui;d |
| 21:02:22 | noidd | guild |
| 21:02:32 | noidd | looks like I'll be CCing in chardok this evening |
| 21:02:35 | noidd | catch you all later |
| 21:02:37 | noidd | waves |
| 21:02:38 | jmhodges | lol whardier |
| 21:02:42 | jmhodges | see ya noidd |
| 21:08:56 | SirPsycho-home | hey jmhodges.. where would the new OZ rom image show up first? |
| 21:09:47 | jmhodges | the only place its gonna be .. sf.net |
| 21:09:52 | jmhodges | openzaurus.sf.net |
| 21:09:56 | jmhodges | then click on downloads |
| 21:10:02 | jmhodges | :D |
| 21:11:21 | jmhodges | ok i have 60 fscking mins to wait |
| 21:11:49 | jmhodges | thats just to d/l this fucking service pack |
| 21:11:54 | jmhodges | god i hate microsoft |
| 21:14:41 | CloudChaser | hmm very confusing says oz beta 10 ws put up 5/19 |
| 21:14:49 | CloudChaser | so whats getting put up tonight? |
| 21:15:05 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: beta 10.3 .. thats a lie apparently .. that one is beta 7 |
| 21:15:24 | CloudChaser | oh |
| 21:34:11 | ljp | foo faah |
| 21:35:15 | mark | ljp: agree with you wrt to #define QWS_OPIE or whatever |
| 21:35:24 | ljp | :D cool |
| 21:35:42 | mark | > If libopie is installed the program will also work under Qtopia so there is |
| 21:35:42 | mark | > no need for defines. --crap :) |
| 21:36:24 | ljp | ya, I had to come up with something for advancedfm for benmeyer to be able to compile it on Sharps sdk |
| 21:36:41 | ljp | because of the Properties class thing |
| 21:38:43 | jmh|nwnmanual | pats them both on the back |
| 21:40:17 | mark | hmm, /me debates what software to take away with him. |
| 21:45:39 | ljp | chess |
| 21:45:52 | ljp | a reader |
| 21:49:05 | jmh|nwnmanual | mp3's and player |
| 21:52:49 | jmh|nwnmanual | 8 more megs.. |
| 21:52:54 | jmh|nwnmanual | goes back to reading |
| 21:53:54 | ljp | money |
| 21:59:02 | JasonNJ-home | hello chillins. |
| 22:00:12 | Twiun | Heya JasonNJ |
| 22:00:12 | whardier | http://hardwire.bogomip.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Artwork&id=acg |
| 22:00:52 | JasonNJ-home | whardier: he needs an update |
| 22:01:08 | Twiun | Hey Jason... I'll be spending a little time in Japan during my trip... is it worth me shopping for Z accessories? |
| 22:01:17 | JasonNJ-home | probably not |
| 22:01:23 | JasonNJ-home | the cases are a bit tight |
| 22:01:33 | JasonNJ-home | serial cables identical |
| 22:01:59 | Speedy2 | Hey JasonNJ-home |
| 22:02:01 | JasonNJ-home | the 5500 is actually a few millimeters thicker than the m1e1 |
| 22:02:09 | JasonNJ-home | so the cases are a somewhat tight fit |
| 22:02:16 | Twiun | Any idea what the prices are like for CF/SD... oh and batteries? |
| 22:02:35 | JasonNJ-home | dunno, havent been to japan in a while |
| 22:02:46 | JasonNJ-home | I beleive the LION battery is the same |
| 22:02:51 | JasonNJ-home | for the M1E1 and the 5500 |
| 22:03:03 | Twiun | hmmm... and the 5000d? |
| 22:03:09 | JasonNJ-home | same battery |
| 22:03:27 | Twiun | cool... hopefully my Z will survive the first 11h leg |
| 22:03:43 | Twiun | hmmm... but there'll be nowhere to recharge on the stopover... |
| 22:03:45 | Twiun | sighs |
| 22:04:50 | ljp | where's 3d pingizaurus? |
| 22:04:52 | mark | JasonNJ-home: have 5000 roms for testing yet? |
| 22:05:25 | JasonNJ-home | I am hoping we can get it out monday, but it may wait until the 19th when we expect to get the sandisk issues fixed |
| 22:05:36 | JasonNJ-home | so we will likely release another set of 5500 and 5000 at the same time |
| 22:05:50 | mark | darn. mailit is really a nnoying me with its lack of word wrap when composing a message |
| 22:06:10 | JasonNJ-home | and then after that we will be working on plugging the security holes |
| 22:06:16 | | jmh|nwnmanual: sorry... |
| 22:06:16 | jmh|nwnmanual | ibot pingizaurus |
| 22:06:18 | JasonNJ-home | we are basically obligated to do taht now |
| 22:06:26 | jmh|nwnmanual | :( |
| 22:06:57 | mark | JasonNJ-home: indeed :) |
| 22:06:57 | ljp | I thought you might wait to release roms until the security issues are resolved |
| 22:07:06 | jmh|nwnmanual | heh ive downloaded so much stuff for nwn im beginning to think it is an MMORPG |
| 22:07:09 | JasonNJ-home | well, the first is the SD |
| 22:07:13 | JasonNJ-home | after that is the security |
| 22:07:20 | ljp | true.. thats nasty |
| 22:07:22 | JasonNJ-home | we will do a rom release before we fix the security |
| 22:07:51 | JasonNJ-home | the security changes will require incorporating peices of OPIE |
| 22:09:07 | ljp | oooooo acceleratedX is nice |
| 22:09:13 | mark | ljp: in what way |
| 22:09:18 | JasonNJ-home | that and we will have to do secure sync via some sort of password on the unit and password dialog on the intellisync and qtopia desktop |
| 22:09:33 | JasonNJ-home | ultimately int the next product I want to do it over ssh |
| 22:09:40 | ljp | JasonNJ-home: I'd suggest a rewrite of opie fix, cause its gpl |
| 22:09:44 | JasonNJ-home | but that will require serious architectual changes |
| 22:09:54 | JasonNJ-home | ljp: lgpl i think |
| 22:10:01 | ljp | thats only libopie |
| 22:10:05 | mark | lgpl isn't qpl compatible though |
| 22:10:07 | mark | is it? |
| 22:10:08 | ljp | qpe is gpl |
| 22:10:28 | JasonNJ-home | yeah, well to use the OPIE stuff we have to release OUR source code |
| 22:10:31 | JasonNJ-home | which I am working on |
| 22:10:37 | JasonNJ-home | its been a very busy week for me |
| 22:10:40 | mark | JasonNJ-home: cool |
| 22:10:42 | ljp | heh |
| 22:11:35 | ljp | thats why I suggested a rewrite.. take opie's patch and learn how its done, and then reimplement it |
| 22:11:47 | JasonNJ-home | thats really not necesssary |
| 22:11:59 | JasonNJ-home | I'd rather we release our source and leverage the community |
| 22:12:06 | ljp | well, if Sharp is releasing it as gpl its fine |
| 22:12:46 | ljp | personally it doesnt matter to me, if SHarp keep the qpl, it would be nice to at least have an acurite API documentstion |
| 22:17:09 | jmh|nwnmanual | im loving this dexter on cartoon network right now .. |
| 22:18:21 | CloudChaser | has anyone here used/have grip? |
| 22:18:37 | jmh|nwnmanual | yep! |
| 22:18:40 | CloudChaser | ooh |
| 22:18:51 | jmhodges | whatcha need CloudChaser? |
| 22:18:59 | CloudChaser | could you tell me default line under encoder mp3 command line? |
| 22:19:08 | jmhodges | uh.. |
| 22:19:09 | CloudChaser | i changed mine and it didn't work, now i want to get default back |
| 22:19:11 | jmhodges | not on right now |
| 22:19:17 | jmhodges | sorry :( |
| 22:19:26 | CloudChaser | oki |
| 22:19:34 | CloudChaser | maybe you could look later and tell me? |
| 22:19:35 | treke|home | JasonNJ-home: I will be really impressed if Sharp Releases all of their source |
| 22:19:39 | jmhodges | is it the one where you select froma list? |
| 22:19:51 | jmhodges | if so its lame |
| 22:20:02 | CloudChaser | hmm? |
| 22:20:21 | jmhodges | CloudChaserL: is that the option that you select form a list? |
| 22:20:21 | CloudChaser | its like this: -%b -QUIT %f |
| 22:20:24 | Twiun | JasonNJ-home: talking of increasing the security... has there been any suggestion of securing the filesystem? |
| 22:20:24 | jmhodges | oooh |
| 22:20:26 | CloudChaser | not sure what the rest was |
| 22:20:42 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: ok i definitely will look later :) |
| 22:20:43 | CloudChaser | i changed it to something ... |
| 22:20:46 | CloudChaser | thanks jm ;) |
| 22:20:55 | CloudChaser | i want to rip some ogg's for our trip |
| 22:21:08 | CloudChaser | the default in grip is ogg ;) |
| 22:21:25 | jmhodges | coool.. wish oz had an ogg player :( |
| 22:21:35 | CloudChaser | well won't tkc player work? |
| 22:21:42 | CloudChaser | that plays oggs |
| 22:21:43 | jmhodges | we have a hella lot of lurkers here |
| 22:21:48 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: no ccard |
| 22:21:50 | Twiun | jmhodges: what about ogg123? |
| 22:22:01 | CloudChaser | ccard? |
| 22:22:09 | Twiun | jmhodges: updating my site ;-) |
| 22:22:13 | jmhodges | creadit card |
| 22:22:18 | CloudChaser | oh |
| 22:22:21 | jmhodges | Twiun: the ogg123 link is bad |
| 22:22:27 | Twiun | ahh |
| 22:22:30 | CloudChaser | i'm sure he'll take money in the mail |
| 22:22:46 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: also im going to be broke in like a month |
| 22:22:50 | djax | Hi |
| 22:22:52 | jmhodges | is going to college :P |
| 22:22:55 | jmhodges | hey djax |
| 22:22:58 | CloudChaser | oh buy it before you go! |
| 22:23:03 | djax | Ho jmhodges. |
| 22:23:03 | CloudChaser | you'll NEED it there! |
| 22:23:16 | jmhodges | pbbbt |
| 22:23:29 | jmhodges | no thanks .. need to save up for a SMC card :) |
| 22:23:38 | jmhodges | that is way more important right now |
| 22:23:48 | CloudChaser | hehe ok i'll grant you that |
| 22:23:50 | jmhodges | i can always take some time out and compile ogg123 and ipk it :) |
| 22:24:23 | jmhodges | luckily for me i have a handy reference for compiling small :) |
| 22:24:38 | jmhodges | lunar has options for taht and its all in easy to read bash |
| 22:25:37 | JasonNJ-home | man that new palm is butt ugly |
| 22:25:47 | mark | JasonNJ-home: indeed |
| 22:25:56 | JasonNJ-home | but i bet we can get OZ to run on it |
| 22:26:10 | CloudChaser | hey jason |
| 22:26:12 | mark | JasonNJ-home: the current Z isn't exactly pretty though. my ipaq was way sleeker |
| 22:26:13 | Twiun | Hehe |
| 22:26:18 | CloudChaser | i have question for you |
| 22:26:23 | JasonNJ-home | shoot |
| 22:26:29 | CloudChaser | when you release next qtopia for linux |
| 22:26:38 | treke|home | how much Ram/Rom in the new palm? |
| 22:26:38 | CloudChaser | can you have them fix the mime type for ogg and mp3? |
| 22:26:45 | CloudChaser | its broken |
| 22:26:50 | JasonNJ-home | I havent gotten the new one yet |
| 22:26:59 | CloudChaser | actually there is NO mime type for ogg |
| 22:27:03 | JasonNJ-home | but i know trolltech is releasing it shortly |
| 22:27:16 | CloudChaser | and the mp3 one still puts mp3's into octet stream |
| 22:27:17 | treke|home | CloudChaser: iirc you can add them to ~/.mimetypes or something of the sort |
| 22:27:21 | JasonNJ-home | email kent sandvik |
| 22:27:22 | CloudChaser | i added it |
| 22:27:24 | CloudChaser | its broken |
| 22:27:30 | JasonNJ-home | he has posted to the zaurus-general recently |
| 22:27:40 | CloudChaser | ok |
| 22:28:15 | JasonNJ-home | btw for you mac fans, Apple is writing the drivers for us |
| 22:28:19 | JasonNJ-home | for mac OS X usb |
| 22:28:35 | JasonNJ-home | so qtopia desktop for Mac OS X is not far away |
| 22:28:58 | Twiun | Cool... how many thubscrews did you have to go through? |
| 22:29:03 | Twiun | thumbscrews even |
| 22:29:20 | JasonNJ-home | you dont want to know |
| 22:29:34 | JasonNJ-home | the darwin guys are doing it |
| 22:29:41 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 22:29:42 | CloudChaser | jm once i pick the track how do i start to rip? |
| 22:30:19 | jmhodges | hit rip+encode |
| 22:30:22 | jmhodges | its a button |
| 22:30:28 | jmhodges | did you check mark it? |
| 22:30:36 | CloudChaser | ah ok there it is on rip tab |
| 22:30:37 | jmhodges | cause its not selected until you get a checkmark |
| 22:30:37 | CloudChaser | yes i did |
| 22:30:41 | jmhodges | ok scool |
| 22:30:45 | jmhodges | there ya go CloudChaser |
| 22:30:51 | CloudChaser | what i did was re-choose the oggenc |
| 22:30:52 | jmhodges | FINALLY |
| 22:30:58 | jmhodges | god i hate microsoft |
| 22:31:07 | CloudChaser | and there's defaults there now so i'm going to try one and see if it plays on z |
| 22:31:15 | jmhodges | excuse me will i reboot to load this service pack so i can finally play nwn |
| 22:31:27 | jmhodges | cool CloudChaser |
| 22:31:30 | jmhodges | bbiab |
| 22:31:30 | CloudChaser | hehe oki |
| 22:31:32 | CloudChaser | good luck! |
| 22:31:36 | jmhodges | thanks |
| 22:31:53 | jmhodges | ... damn i love this power puff song .. that Girls Against the World song.. |
| 22:31:56 | jmhodges | i dont know why .. |
| 22:32:01 | jmhodges | :/ |
| 22:32:13 | jmhodges | anyway |
| 22:32:14 | jmhodges | im out |
| 22:33:20 | CloudChaser | hiya kergoth ;) |
| 22:33:31 | kergoth | re |
| 22:33:39 | kergoth | just played my first game of warcraft 3 |
| 22:33:43 | kergoth | good game, i like it |
| 22:33:47 | kergoth | what're you up to cloud |
| 22:33:57 | CloudChaser | trying to rip some ogg for our trip |
| 22:34:08 | JasonNJ-home | yo kergoth. |
| 22:34:11 | JasonNJ-home | whazzup? |
| 22:34:20 | JasonNJ-home | how goes the kernie / 10.2 |
| 22:34:33 | CloudChaser | thought it was 10.3 |
| 22:34:39 | kergoth | ipkg isnt segfaulting anymore, 10.3 will be out today |
| 22:34:46 | kergoth | and as to the kernel, 2.5.x mounted the rootfs :-) |
| 22:34:51 | JasonNJ-home | whats in 10.3? |
| 22:34:54 | kergoth | course it proceeded to kernel panic, but hey, one step at a time |
| 22:35:00 | JasonNJ-home | ah cool |
| 22:35:09 | JasonNJ-home | 2.5x would be sweet |
| 22:35:12 | kergoth | new opie, atd bug fix so no more time loss on resume, etc |
| 22:35:19 | JasonNJ-home | but almost seems too bleeding edge |
| 22:35:28 | kergoth | I'll backport to 2.4.x , no worries |
| 22:35:37 | JasonNJ-home | kergoth: working orinoco? |
| 22:35:45 | lowkey | kergoth: did the linksys patch make it in? |
| 22:35:56 | kergoth | learning 2.5.x taught me the direction the kernel folks are heading in.. kept me from going in the wrong directions with my patches |
| 22:35:58 | kergoth | lowkey: yes |
| 22:36:07 | lowkey | kergoth: cool! you da man! |
| 22:36:13 | JasonNJ-home | kergoth: most recent spectrum_cs with the sniffer extensions? |
| 22:36:18 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: thanks for the reminder.. I updated the version to his latest, but forgot to apply the patch to add monitor support |
| 22:36:25 | lowkey | kergoth: let me know when i can pull it down and start testing |
| 22:36:27 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: i'll get on it |
| 22:36:30 | kergoth | lowkey: will do |
| 22:36:40 | JasonNJ-home | yeah I really want to try those badly |
| 22:36:46 | lowkey | kergoth: is it all in cvs now? |
| 22:37:07 | lowkey | most? |
| 22:37:53 | kergoth | lowkey: well opie still resides in its own cvs, opie isnt built by the oz buildsystem yet. |
| 22:38:02 | kergoth | lowkey: that part just isnt a high enough priority to bother with atm |
| 22:38:06 | JasonNJ-home | Once you have 10.3 out let me know.. I have a customer I think that may want to use OZ on 5000 units |
| 22:38:09 | lowkey | kergoth: ooohhh that could be fun. |
| 22:38:15 | JasonNJ-home | and another one that may want it on 60,000 units |
| 22:38:20 | CloudChaser | wow |
| 22:38:26 | CloudChaser | that's awesome |
| 22:38:38 | kergoth | understood. like I said, 10.3 will be out today, guaranteed, barring my house doesnt burn down or something |
| 22:38:44 | JasonNJ-home | yeah, lets just say the large customer wants the security fixes bad |
| 22:38:52 | lowkey | lol |
| 22:39:06 | JasonNJ-home | and they want to roll their own rom |
| 22:39:17 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: running opie as a nonroot user wont make it into 10.3, thats for the next release |
| 22:39:25 | JasonNJ-home | okay |
| 22:39:32 | lowkey | non-root cool |
| 22:39:39 | JasonNJ-home | make sure you get those changes from Riker, he already did the work for Vercel |
| 22:39:50 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: yep, I already talked with him about it. |
| 22:39:57 | treke|home | so wants a non root opie |
| 22:40:17 | treke|home | I get this dirty feeling whenever I see a # at the prompt |
| 22:40:18 | JasonNJ-home | yeah the customer in question has some interesting applications for the Z |
| 22:40:25 | jmh|nwn | finally ok |
| 22:40:38 | jmh|nwn | seeya |
| 22:40:39 | JasonNJ-home | lets just say they like blowing things up |
| 22:40:46 | JasonNJ-home | literally |
| 22:40:51 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:40:54 | jmh|nwn | lol |
| 22:40:58 | kergoth | brb |
| 22:40:58 | ljp | ahhh military? |
| 22:41:01 | JasonNJ-home | yep |
| 22:41:13 | treke|home | and sharp probably wants to sell another 60,000 units :) |
| 22:41:16 | ljp | sweet .. thats got to be good for Sharp, eh? |
| 22:41:20 | JasonNJ-home | yep |
| 22:41:29 | JasonNJ-home | combat zaurus |
| 22:41:36 | lowkey | have to bulk up the case a little but the zaurus would rock in the field |
| 22:41:37 | ljp | hehehe |
| 22:41:38 | warmi | hi |
| 22:41:42 | JasonNJ-home | pingizauru goes marine |
| 22:41:48 | CloudChaser | thats 65,000 reasons to hire the opie team! |
| 22:41:56 | jmh|nwn | hehe |
| 22:42:01 | lowkey | and they would need to waterproof it. |
| 22:42:12 | JasonNJ-home | yeah there is a special case we are working on |
| 22:42:12 | ljp | blows cloudchaser a kiss on the cheeck |
| 22:42:21 | lowkey | JasonNJ-home: cool |
| 22:42:29 | lowkey | wants a case like that. |
| 22:42:34 | CloudChaser | c'mon tell sharp customers are NOT happy with lineo efforts or lack of effort :0 |
| 22:43:18 | ljp | I'm amazed that Lineo didnt tank |
| 22:43:35 | CloudChaser | these opie guys could do miracles if they did it full time with sharp's backing! |
| 22:43:40 | JasonNJ-home | they did a good job of cutting the fat |
| 22:44:13 | CloudChaser | maybe but they forgot to sew it back up |
| 22:44:23 | CloudChaser | :) |
| 22:44:32 | ljp | hehehe nope.. Lineo's on the rebound.. I hope |
| 22:44:43 | JasonNJ-home | I really would like them to hang in there, it would be a royal pain in my ass if they didnt |
| 22:45:01 | CloudChaser | are they responding to the issues? |
| 22:45:07 | JasonNJ-home | yes |
| 22:45:17 | lowkey | JasonNJ-home: its linux, if they fail...someone else can pick it up |
| 22:45:19 | ljp | well, for your info, I got a one off contract with Lineo |
| 22:45:26 | JasonNJ-home | lowkey: true |
| 22:45:38 | JasonNJ-home | ah cool |
| 22:45:40 | JasonNJ-home | for doing what |
| 22:45:43 | CloudChaser | neat |
| 22:45:58 | ljp | doing a voice recorder for the Vercel |
| 22:46:11 | ljp | I get a vercel out of the deal, too |
| 22:46:12 | JasonNJ-home | interesting |
| 22:46:18 | JasonNJ-home | ljp: you received it? |
| 22:46:22 | ljp | not yet |
| 22:46:32 | JasonNJ-home | I've only seen mock ups. |
| 22:46:44 | JasonNJ-home | its bigger than a Z |
| 22:46:51 | ljp | ya, I heard on the grapevine that vercel still hasnt secured funding |
| 22:46:55 | CloudChaser | is there a pic somewhere ljp? |
| 22:47:07 | JasonNJ-home | yes they have not made their pre production run for developers yet |
| 22:47:13 | ljp | not really, you can go to www.vercel.com, but its all flash and no info |
| 22:47:14 | kergoth | agh I've got a serious headache |
| 22:47:25 | CloudChaser | oh right, hehe i looked at that the other night |
| 22:47:37 | CloudChaser | its ....all flash ..that's for sure |
| 22:47:50 | ljp | heheh yep. .irritating |
| 22:48:00 | lowkey | kergoth: hold an ice cube in your hand until it melts. |
| 22:48:20 | lowkey | kergoth: squeeze it. |
| 22:48:20 | treke|home | ljp: It qtopia based or just qt/e |
| 22:48:27 | ljp | qtopia |
| 22:48:28 | lowkey | kergoth: dunno why but it works |
| 22:48:56 | ljp | the screen is rotated from what zaurus is |
| 22:49:04 | Speedy2 | re kergoth |
| 22:49:10 | Speedy2 | kergoth: SLeep some. |
| 22:49:40 | ljp | take some vicadan |
| 22:49:44 | ljp | :D |
| 22:58:15 | Twiun | right... I'd better get some sleep... |
| 22:58:21 | Twiun | Gnight everyone! |
| 22:58:39 | Speedy2 | Have fun on your trip Twiun[Zzzzz] |
| 23:02:10 | CloudChaser | W|GGL|T: you around? |
| 23:08:03 | jmh|nwn | omg |
| 23:08:06 | jmh|nwn | this is awesome |
| 23:08:08 | jmh|nwn | dives back in |
| 23:08:17 | CloudChaser | hehe |
| 23:11:24 | ljp | hmmmm |
| 23:14:59 | Speedy2 | Hi Cloud |
| 23:15:36 | jmh|nwn | awesome ness |
| 23:15:44 | jmh|nwn | pure unadulterated awesomeness |
| 23:16:05 | Speedy2 | jmh|nwn: What is? |
| 23:16:14 | jmh|nwn | NWN |
| 23:16:22 | treke|home | Linux or Windows? |
| 23:16:52 | jmh|nwn | unfortunately my winex binary decided to go fuck itself |
| 23:16:54 | jmh|nwn | so windows :( |
| 23:17:18 | jmh|nwn | now i just need to remember to pick up my bro at 8 :/ |
| 23:17:22 | CloudChaser | hiya speedy2 |
| 23:17:33 | CloudChaser | trying out xfsamba to move ogg to z |
| 23:17:43 | CloudChaser | since qtopia doesn't like ogg/mp3 |
| 23:19:21 | jmh|nwn | doh.. i just hit Ctrl+Alt+F7 like i do in linux to switch from my gaming xfree to my normal xfree :/ |
| 23:19:25 | jmh|nwn | ok back i go |
| 23:21:02 | CloudChaser | have fun! |
| 23:26:25 | ljp | hmmmmmmm |
| 23:30:41 | CloudChaser | hmmmm? |
| 23:31:20 | ljp | :D |
| 23:31:49 | ljp | jmh seems... hmmmm... involved a bit |
| 23:32:50 | CloudChaser | never winter nights ;) |
| 23:40:55 | Speedy2 | bbl all |
| 23:41:01 | jmh|nwn | hehe .. dammit.. ok im a sorc kergoth where do i go for trainging? Arcane Magic? |
| 23:41:11 | jmh|nwn | was hearing wizard and spellbook over there |
| 23:43:12 | jmh|nwn | whoops ya thats the right guy |
| 23:43:14 | jmh|nwn | dives back in |
| 23:44:40 | CloudChaser | ack! i'm getting ogg and .wav files when i rip! |
| 23:45:09 | CloudChaser | oh my word! and the ogg files are huge! |
| 23:47:21 | ljp | hmmmmmm |
| 23:47:26 | ljp | doesnt sound right |
| 23:47:27 | CloudChaser | this is awful.. |
| 23:47:53 | CloudChaser | won't get too many 11 mb songs on 256 mb card |
| 23:48:09 | CloudChaser | hates linux sometimes |
| 23:48:29 | CloudChaser | it is too frustrating...got all these nifty flags that i hve no idea what they mean |
| 23:48:32 | ljp | also |
| 23:48:48 | CloudChaser | o %o -a "%A" -l "%d" -t "%n" %f |
| 23:48:56 | ljp | hates windows more |
| 23:49:08 | ljp | isnt there a graphical ogg ripper? |
| 23:49:21 | CloudChaser | no idea, this is graphical |
| 23:49:39 | CloudChaser | still have to have all these command line stuff in the pretty box |
| 23:49:52 | ljp | huh? on a gui? |
| 23:49:54 | CloudChaser | i read the readme but its still too confusing |
| 23:49:58 | CloudChaser | Grip |
| 23:50:04 | ljp | ahhh |
| 23:50:14 | CloudChaser | is there other one you know of? |
| 23:51:06 | CloudChaser | big boss said they were makng one |
| 23:51:15 | CloudChaser | but of course...it's coming "soon" hehe |
| 23:51:19 | CloudChaser | my trip is sooner |
| 23:51:32 | ljp | lemme check. I dont use ogg |
| 23:51:56 | treke|home | hmm, qt-designer isnt too bad after all |
| 23:52:14 | CloudChaser | does it rip ogg's? |
| 23:52:18 | treke|home | yup |
| 23:52:18 | CloudChaser | hehe |
| 23:52:23 | CloudChaser | it does? |
| 23:52:27 | CloudChaser | hehe |
| 23:52:33 | ljp | you can make it rip ogg |
| 23:52:50 | CloudChaser | qt-designer? |
| 23:53:08 | treke|home | hehe |
| 23:53:20 | oGMo | qt-designer is _nice_ |
| 23:53:34 | treke|home | other than its unintutive user interface |
| 23:53:35 | ljp | sure... you can make stuff to rip oggs ;) |
| 23:53:42 | treke|home | I still havent figured out how to do menus :) |
| 23:53:42 | CloudChaser | oh bleh |
| 23:53:49 | CloudChaser | i can't figure out a damn gui |
| 23:53:58 | CloudChaser | you think i can design a ripper? |
| 23:54:23 | oGMo | i didn't find it unintuitive at all... i like the ability to load xml bits at runtime |
