| 00:00:33 | Neo|Work | sugar what is 19 C in F |
| 00:00:36 | Sugar | 19 °C is 66.199997 °F |
| 00:00:37 | warmi | nems: is there anything in particular in OPIE that you just can't live without ? |
| 00:00:46 | Neo|Work | sugar what is 39 C in F |
| 00:00:49 | Sugar | 39 °C is 102.2 °F |
| 00:00:50 | Neo|Work | sugar what is 42 C in F |
| 00:00:52 | Sugar | 42 °C is 107.6 °F |
| 00:01:00 | warmi | 42 means death Neo |
| 00:01:02 | warmi | hehe |
| 00:01:13 | Neo|Work | I had mono some 10 yrs ago and had a fever of about 42 or so for two weeks |
| 00:01:42 | warmi | yeah, that's pushing it |
| 00:01:50 | warmi | like sitting on the fence |
| 00:02:08 | Neo|Work | with medicin it went down to some 39-39.5 |
| 00:02:15 | Neo|Work | sugar what is 39.5 C in F |
| 00:02:17 | Sugar | 39.5 °C is 103.1 °F |
| 00:03:09 | warmi | I got used to inches , miles etc .. but still can't follow all this stuff with OZ and similar imperial measurments |
| 00:03:21 | warmi | metric system is so much simpler |
| 00:03:25 | Neo|Work | yeah |
| 00:03:33 | Neo|Work | makes so much more sense |
| 00:03:49 | warmi | same goes for C |
| 00:03:53 | warmi | 0 - stuff freezes |
| 00:04:01 | warmi | 100 - stuff starts to boil |
| 00:04:04 | warmi | end of story |
| 00:04:05 | warmi | hehe |
| 00:04:50 | Neo|Work | yeps |
| 00:04:56 | Neo|Work | sugar what is 100 C in F |
| 00:04:58 | Neo|Work | 212? |
| 00:04:59 | Sugar | 100 °C is 212 °F |
| 00:05:12 | Neo|Work | 32 and 212 is so much.. less logical |
| 00:05:14 | warmi | you don't need sugar anymore |
| 00:05:35 | nems | warmi: I dont have my CF card right now ;p |
| 00:05:50 | warmi | well, then go and get one |
| 00:05:54 | nems | Bleh. |
| 00:06:11 | warmi | you can get 32 MB for like $30 or so |
| 00:13:49 | warmi | holly shit ... my site went from 51985 in April to 142068 hits in May since I put up Zaurus stuff |
| 00:26:09 | Neo|Work | is away: goin' home, check with NeoTron instead of this nic |
| 00:31:13 | zauroaster | hey does anyone know if install to SD is broken in oipkg (OZ 3.0b10)? |
| 00:32:25 | ljp | could be |
| 00:36:27 | zauroaster | it says "running: /usr/bin/ipkg -dest sd /mnt/card -force -defualts install opie-calculator" |
| 00:37:18 | zauroaster | "/usr/bin/ipkg: unknown sub-command /mnt/card" |
| 00:45:53 | ljp | are you using the latest oipkg from feed? |
| 00:59:54 | cbsmith | Wow... my Zaurus just hung for the first time ever. |
| 01:01:24 | cbsmith | How do I force a reboot without losing memeory? |
| 01:02:46 | cbsmith | From hardware that is? |
| 01:05:48 | nems | Bleh. |
| 01:05:56 | nems | warmi_away : I'm loading back sharp ;p |
| 01:05:58 | nems | sigh.s |
| 01:06:09 | nems | Can anyone tell me how to change the default ipkg in sharp again, please? :) |
| 01:10:17 | nems | What directory does the rom image need to be in for teh rom update tool for sharp/ |
| 01:11:41 | nems | BLeh |
| 01:11:45 | nems | Anyone alive? |
| 01:12:09 | ljp | no |
| 01:12:56 | nems | Do you know offhand, ljp? |
| 01:13:08 | nems | I'm switching back to sharp until I can get my card working. |
| 01:13:53 | ljp | do I know what? |
| 01:14:15 | nems | What directory the sharp rom needs to be in to update it |
| 01:14:43 | ljp | for 5500? |
| 01:14:49 | nems | yup |
| 01:16:47 | nems | ? |
| 01:17:49 | nems | ljp? :) |
| 01:17:52 | ljp | http://www.myzaurus.com/ROMupdate2.asp |
| 01:18:42 | nems | I saw... what directory does the qtopia upload go into by default? |
| 01:19:33 | nems | nevermind.. I'm uploading it through qtopia |
| 01:19:46 | ljp | not real sure..somewhere is Documents |
| 01:19:51 | ljp | s/is/in |
| 01:20:24 | nems | Bleh. |
| 01:20:31 | nems | It doesnt work when I upload it through qtopia too. |
| 01:22:21 | ljp | I dont have a 5500, so I dont really know |
| 02:26:30 | [DrEvil] | returns |
| 02:30:41 | [DrEvil] | so |
| 02:30:43 | [DrEvil] | where were we |
| 02:42:35 | [DrEvil] | hmmm |
| 02:42:43 | [DrEvil] | do I need Hancomm PResenter in ROM |
| 02:53:54 | zauroaster | ljp: sorry had to step away. I can try getting the latest (am using b10) |
| 02:56:56 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: ping? |
| 03:11:21 | [DrEvil] | ping? |
| 03:12:04 | [DrEvil] | how am I supposed to tell what sice my ROM image is after I have removed all this stuff |
| 03:12:54 | MSpin | why did you bother? |
| 03:13:10 | [DrEvil] | because I wont be running oz anytime soon |
| 03:13:50 | [DrEvil] | and because I can |
| 03:14:59 | MSpin | you don't really save any space |
| 03:15:16 | roge99 | is back (gone 06:18:33) |
| 03:15:20 | MSpin | do you have kismete installed? |
| 03:15:21 | [DrEvil] | but I can put other things |
| 03:15:26 | [DrEvil] | in ROM |
| 03:15:32 | [DrEvil] | yes I do |
| 03:15:35 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: true, udne df on your PC when it's mounted |
| 03:15:48 | MSpin | what is the sequence of commands to get it sniffing? |
| 03:16:04 | [DrEvil] | well |
| 03:16:11 | [DrEvil] | I run prism2_monitor |
| 03:16:16 | [DrEvil] | prism2_hopper |
| 03:16:19 | [DrEvil] | then kismet |
| 03:16:24 | [DrEvil] | no special flags |
| 03:16:38 | MSpin | k |
| 03:16:55 | [DrEvil] | all that should be taken care of in the kismet.conf |
| 03:17:08 | [DrEvil] | wonders what kind of chain he should get for the Buffalo card |
| 03:17:43 | MSpin | does kismet_server exist? |
| 03:18:13 | [DrEvil] | hang on |
| 03:19:45 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 03:19:52 | [DrEvil] | kismet kismet_curses kismet_server |
| 03:20:35 | [DrEvil] | I wonder what kind of chain I should get for the buffalo card |
| 03:21:21 | [DrEvil] | loop filesystems aren't showing up in mount |
| 03:22:25 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: http://www.mspin.net/~jjhuff/kismet_qt |
| 03:22:45 | [DrEvil] | is that going to run on my Z? |
| 03:22:53 | [DrEvil] | I don't have X installed |
| 03:23:08 | MSpin | why would you need X? |
| 03:23:16 | MSpin | it's a Qt/e app |
| 03:23:22 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 03:23:22 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 03:23:25 | MSpin | OZ doesn't use X |
| 03:23:54 | MSpin | let me know if it works |
| 03:24:03 | MSpin | you shouldn't need to run anything before runnint it |
| 03:24:15 | [DrEvil] | is it going to work with wlan_ng? |
| 03:25:01 | MSpin | yup |
| 03:25:09 | MSpin | oops, redownload it |
| 03:27:44 | [DrEvil] | I click on save and nothing happens |
| 03:27:55 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: now exit it |
| 03:28:20 | [DrEvil] | wireless_monitor not found |
| 03:28:29 | MSpin | did you choose eth0? |
| 03:29:03 | [DrEvil] | it says wlan0 |
| 03:29:22 | MSpin | it's a drop down, you have eth0 |
| 03:30:01 | [DrEvil] | It says wlan0 |
| 03:30:05 | [DrEvil] | not eth0 |
| 03:30:15 | MSpin | change it |
| 03:30:23 | [DrEvil] | no matter how many times I change it and save it, it still says wlan0 |
| 03:30:30 | [DrEvil] | you don't want me to use wlan0? |
| 03:30:41 | MSpin | you don't *have* wlan0 |
| 03:30:57 | [DrEvil] | oh...ok |
| 03:31:01 | MSpin | isn't it eth0 on the sharp rom? |
| 03:31:30 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 03:31:47 | MSpin | k... cat /etc/kismet_qt.conf |
| 03:32:55 | [DrEvil] | interface=eth0 |
| 03:33:01 | [DrEvil] | channel=all |
| 03:33:05 | [DrEvil] | but I am not seeing anything |
| 03:33:10 | nemui-chan | Mspin |
| 03:33:12 | nemui-chan | my favorite person |
| 03:33:14 | [DrEvil] | I see it switching channels |
| 03:33:18 | nemui-chan | [DrEvil] : you workin on it now? |
| 03:33:34 | [DrEvil] | working on something different |
| 03:33:39 | nemui-chan | ok |
| 03:33:41 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: hrm, almost like it didn't put it into monitor mode |
| 03:34:01 | MSpin | try opening another term and loading kismet_curses |
| 03:34:20 | nemui-chan | in sharp, do I need to load USB tcp/ip or LAN tcp/ip? For normal usb connectivity? |
| 03:34:48 | [DrEvil] | not seeing any packets |
| 03:35:49 | nemui-chan | Anyone? ;) |
| 03:35:50 | MSpin | hrm |
| 03:35:54 | MSpin | nemui-chan: USB |
| 03:35:57 | nemui-chan | Thakns |
| 03:35:58 | nemui-chan | Thanks. |
| 03:36:14 | nemui-chan | And lan TCP/IP for wireless? Or just go into wireless setup? |
| 03:36:21 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: try running prism2_monitor in that other session |
| 03:36:28 | nemui-chan | MSpin: I had the same problem as [DrEvil]... I couldnt get my linksys card running under Oz. |
| 03:36:32 | MSpin | then see if kismet_curses gets anything |
| 03:36:51 | MSpin | nemui-chan: odd, [DrEvil] has the buffalo I thought |
| 03:36:53 | MSpin | brb |
| 03:36:55 | nemui-chan | Oh |
| 03:36:56 | nemui-chan | ok |
| 03:37:05 | nemui-chan | I thought he said he had a prob with the linksys. |
| 03:37:15 | [DrEvil] | not anymore |
| 03:37:19 | nemui-chan | I cant get the linksys working on my Z with OZ. |
| 03:37:25 | [DrEvil] | the buffalo uses a similar chipset |
| 03:37:28 | nemui-chan | Kergoth couldnt get it workin on mine either. |
| 03:37:29 | nemui-chan | Ahhhh.. |
| 03:38:18 | MSpin | ok, anyways, I gotta run |
| 03:38:21 | nemui-chan | Damn |
| 03:38:29 | nemui-chan | later msp |
| 03:38:31 | nemui-chan | mspin |
| 03:39:31 | [DrEvil] | I need to work on my new bootlogo |
| 03:40:03 | nemui-chan | I need to get my wireless working :( |
| 03:40:09 | nemui-chan | [DrEvil] : Is it a problem someone is working on? |
| 03:40:29 | [DrEvil] | did you install Sharp? |
| 03:40:33 | nemui-chan | Yes. |
| 03:40:38 | nemui-chan | I'm workin on getting everything up and running |
| 03:40:40 | nemui-chan | now.. |
| 03:40:47 | nemui-chan | I mean does someone know about and is working on the problem in OZ? |
| 03:40:58 | [DrEvil] | kergoth knows about it |
| 03:41:01 | [DrEvil] | obviously |
| 03:41:12 | [DrEvil] | I'm not on the mailing list |
| 03:41:16 | [DrEvil] | you can join if you want |
| 03:41:22 | nemui-chan | whats the list? I need to ;) |
| 03:41:59 | nemui-chan | bleh. I cant even get usb routing working. ;p I'm having issues ;p |
| 03:42:02 | [DrEvil] | there is a list of lists on zauruszone |
| 03:42:24 | [DrEvil] | http://zaurus.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:42:58 | nemui-chan | If my ifconfig usbd0 looks right... and my route looks right.. and I can sync... and my linux box is setup right... shouldnt I have outgoing network on my Z? |
| 03:43:32 | [DrEvil] | the router on your Z should be your PC |
| 03:43:36 | nemui-chan | Right. |
| 03:43:39 | nemui-chan | Thats how I have it setup. |
| 03:43:47 | nemui-chan | 192.168.129.200 |
| 03:44:03 | [DrEvil] | are you using your same subnet that your PC has? |
| 03:44:20 | nemui-chan | Nevermind. Stupidity error. |
| 03:44:49 | [DrEvil] | what was it? |
| 03:44:57 | nemui-chan | Do you happen to know where the instructions on how to change frmo ipkg to oipkg were? |
| 03:45:06 | [DrEvil] | nope |
| 03:45:14 | [DrEvil] | I think it is vapor |
| 03:45:27 | [DrEvil] | it just doesn't work with qpe |
| 03:45:44 | nemui-chan | Hrm. |
| 03:45:49 | nemui-chan | can I get opie to work under sharp's rom? |
| 03:46:08 | [MiniMe] | see wireless works on sharp's rom |
| 03:46:28 | [DrEvil] | I doubt it |
| 03:46:29 | nemui-chan | I dunno yet. |
| 03:46:33 | nemui-chan | Do I just plug it in and it should 'work'? |
| 03:46:49 | [DrEvil] | since you can't remove qpe without major surgery |
| 03:47:00 | nemui-chan | oh well. |
| 03:50:20 | [DrEvil] | you could always roll your own rom |
| 03:50:26 | [DrEvil] | like I am attempting |
| 03:50:58 | treke_ | 4~or you could use openzaurus and dump opie |
| 03:51:15 | nemui-chan | treke: I would if I could get my wireless card to work. |
| 03:51:15 | [DrEvil] | I think he wants to keep opie |
| 03:51:28 | nemui-chan | I -want- opie, don't want the sharp rom, and want wireless... I'm a picky bastard. ;) |
| 03:51:37 | treke_ | oh thought you didnt want qpe |
| 03:52:21 | nemui-chan | I dont. |
| 03:52:23 | nemui-chan | I want opie. :) |
| 03:52:31 | treke_ | bleh |
| 03:52:40 | treke_ | so install openzaurus |
| 03:52:46 | treke_ | and bitch at kergoth til it works |
| 03:53:42 | nemui-chan | treke: I would... except I have a new wireless and I'm a whiny bitch when I dont have my toys :) |
| 03:53:47 | nemui-chan | Whats hh's feed? |
| 03:55:11 | treke_ | its a feed for familiar on the ipaq |
| 03:55:29 | nemui-chan | Ahh.. ok. I was curious what the actual url was.. but if its ipaq then I dont need it. |
| 03:55:36 | | feed is, like, a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 03:55:36 | treke_ | ibot, feed |
| 03:56:17 | treke_ | most of the stuff will work fine on openzaurus,but there is a lot of stuff that could trash openzaurus ( like the kernels) |
| 03:57:11 | nemui-chan | Hmm |
| 03:57:13 | nemui-chan | ok. |
| 04:00:23 | nemui-chan | So if I stick my linksys card in on the sharp rom... it should jus work? Do I have to create another setting in network & sync? |
| 04:00:59 | [DrEvil] | you need a LAN setting |
| 04:01:01 | [DrEvil] | and a wireless setting |
| 04:01:26 | nemui-chan | listed under network, I only have Dialup, IRDA, LAn and USB |
| 04:01:39 | [DrEvil] | that is fine |
| 04:01:44 | [DrEvil] | it will use the LAN setting |
| 04:01:47 | nemui-chan | k. |
| 04:01:50 | nemui-chan | I need to add one then |
| 04:01:53 | [DrEvil] | then go to the wireless tool |
| 04:02:55 | nemui-chan | Sweet :) |
| 04:02:56 | nemui-chan | its linkin' |
| 04:02:59 | nemui-chan | Thanks for the help Doc :) |
| 04:03:01 | [DrEvil] | yay |
| 04:03:08 | [DrEvil] | that is how easy it *should* be |
| 04:03:22 | nemui-chan | Amen to that. :) |
| 04:08:49 | [DrEvil] | now comes the fun part |
| 04:08:58 | [DrEvil] | adding programs |
| 04:09:15 | [DrEvil] | I have to keep Jeode around since the only WAP browser I have found is Jave |
| 04:09:17 | [DrEvil] | java |
| 04:14:28 | nemui-chan | heh |
| 04:14:34 | nemui-chan | Last question... can you -save- a page in opera? |
| 04:17:02 | [DrEvil] | dunno |
| 04:19:52 | nemui-chan | Hmm |
| 04:19:58 | nemui-chan | I cant ftp into my pda. |
| 04:19:59 | N0Remorse | heya |
| 04:20:09 | [DrEvil] | that's what Palm users say |
| 04:20:51 | N0Remorse | anyone got mp3.com audio streaming? |
| 04:21:02 | [DrEvil] | haven't attempted that yet |
| 04:21:46 | nemui-chan | I'm trying to if I could get the freakin m3u file saved. |
| 04:21:50 | nemui-chan | Do you know how to save files in opera? |
| 04:22:06 | [DrEvil] | no idea |
| 04:22:11 | [DrEvil] | you didn't install Konq? |
| 04:22:12 | nemui-chan | not you :) I already asked you |
| 04:22:14 | nemui-chan | nope. |
| 04:22:17 | nemui-chan | Can I do it in konq? |
| 04:22:30 | [DrEvil] | I think...but not sure |
| 04:22:31 | N0Remorse | can I tell opera to associate m3u to opieplayer? |
| 04:22:37 | nemui-chan | no idea. |
| 04:23:30 | [DrEvil] | I'm trying my latest stripped ROM |
| 04:23:42 | N0Remorse | nemui- save the m3u on the root dir and open with opie player |
| 04:23:54 | nemui-chan | noremorse: and how do I save it? :p |
| 04:24:09 | N0Remorse | that works if no %20 in url |
| 04:24:24 | N0Remorse | nemui i just wget them |
| 04:24:40 | nemui-chan | how do you get the url? |
| 04:24:55 | N0Remorse | since copy and paste dont work in terminal |
| 04:26:06 | N0Remorse | hmm i use my laptop by right click the mp3.com url and copy the link then ssh to my Z and wget it onto Z |
| 04:26:10 | phlux | Has anyone out there able to sync a SL-5500 with linux? |
| 04:27:24 | [DrEvil] | has anyone been able to get it to sync right with Windows? |
| 04:27:37 | phlux | Yeah ! |
| 04:28:00 | nemui-chan | yup |
| 04:28:08 | nemui-chan | to both |
| 04:28:38 | phlux | <nemui-chan> what linux distro are you using and kernel version? |
| 04:29:31 | nemui-chan | debian 2.4.18 |
| 04:30:55 | phlux | I'm using RedHat Downloaded a generic 2.4.18 patched with CEther and no luck.. any pointers? |
| 04:35:55 | phlux | <nemui-chan> Any tips I may have over looked? |
| 04:38:39 | nemui-chan | phlux: Hmm.. I pretty much read the unofficial usb ethernet zaurus howto |
| 04:38:41 | nemui-chan | and it worked fine for me:) |
| 04:39:36 | phlux | I think RedHat Has done something to make it a little harder... |
| 04:43:41 | phlux | <nemui-chan> I read the howto as well but still ... no luck. I had an easier time getting my Phillips webcam to work when usb support was really experimental! |
| 04:46:12 | ScooterTrash | Can anybody help with connecting to gsm phone? |
| 04:46:15 | W|GGL|T | never got it to work either...generic 2.4.18 here (with slackware 8.0) |
| 04:46:25 | [DrEvil] | what phone? |
| 04:46:30 | W|GGL|T | is going on a quick smoke break |
| 04:46:33 | ScooterTrash | mot timeport |
| 04:46:45 | [DrEvil] | good luck |
| 04:46:56 | ScooterTrash | Thanks :( |
| 04:47:06 | [DrEvil] | motorola has some issues with IR |
| 04:47:24 | ScooterTrash | Actually if my WSP would give me a little info, It would probably work. |
| 04:47:36 | [DrEvil] | are you trying to use GSM Data or GPRS? |
| 04:48:25 | ScooterTrash | GPRS |
| 04:48:44 | ScooterTrash | I am pretty sure I could do GSM to my ISP. |
| 04:49:00 | ScooterTrash | Right now I am hooked to desk top via serial |
| 04:49:52 | ScooterTrash | I need to know AT&T WS's gateway |
| 04:51:26 | [DrEvil] | for wap? |
| 04:51:48 | [DrEvil] | the only gateway they have is for WAP |
| 04:52:02 | [DrEvil] | if you want to do str8 GPRS you don't need to set the gateway |
| 04:53:16 | [DrEvil] | on my phone Z I use *99***2# as the GPRS dialup number |
| 04:53:25 | [DrEvil] | but that varies by manafacturer |
| 04:53:32 | ScooterTrash | Script fails on AT+CGDCONT=1,IP,proxy.mobile.att.net,,0,0 |
| 04:53:54 | ScooterTrash | I have been basically guesing what to put there |
| 04:54:14 | ScooterTrash | I have *99***1# as number |
| 04:54:28 | ScooterTrash | Do you have a line like that? |
| 04:54:29 | [DrEvil] | http://www.howardforums.com/ |
| 04:54:31 | [DrEvil] | go there |
| 04:55:33 | ScooterTrash | Thanks! looks usefull ! |
| 04:55:52 | [DrEvil] | it is |
| 04:58:52 | ScooterTrash | I just got a connect by leaving that line out ! |
| 04:59:46 | [DrEvil] | which line? |
| 05:00:06 | ScooterTrash | AT+CGDCONT=1,IP,Blah Blah Blah |
| 05:00:20 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 05:00:46 | [DrEvil] | I need to send my t68 in for an upgrade soon |
| 05:00:54 | ScooterTrash | I guess I have to shut down eth0 to see if I can realy get out |
| 05:02:28 | ScooterTrash | brb |
| 05:09:45 | [DrEvil] | kergoth |
| 05:30:56 | ScooterTrash | IT WORKS !! (sorry) |
| 05:31:44 | ScooterTrash | I just made an IR GPRS connection. |
| 05:31:54 | [DrEvil] | been there |
| 05:31:55 | [DrEvil] | done that |
| 05:32:05 | [DrEvil] | I am waiting for Bluetooth |
| 05:32:14 | ScooterTrash | Grrrr... Oh well, I'm exited. |
| 05:32:38 | ScooterTrash | Yeah, guess I'll have to buy a new phone again. |
| 05:32:39 | [DrEvil] | bluetooth+gprs |
| 05:32:41 | [DrEvil] | that will be nice |
| 05:33:43 | ScooterTrash | Yeah, but you need a 1Gig flash drive/802.11/bluetooth SD card :) |
| 05:34:00 | [DrEvil] | SD isn't going to do all that |
| 05:34:09 | ScooterTrash | cf? |
| 05:35:11 | [DrEvil] | SD is really only useful as storage on the Z right now |
| 05:35:18 | [DrEvil] | the CF slot is more flexible |
| 05:35:58 | ScooterTrash | Yeah, I bought a 64M SD card so I do not have to lobotomize my Z when I use my 802.11 card. |
| 05:36:14 | [DrEvil] | only 64 megs? |
| 05:36:30 | ScooterTrash | Yeah, and I paid too much for it too. |
| 05:36:35 | ScooterTrash | impulse buy |
| 05:36:39 | [DrEvil] | uh-huh |
| 05:36:44 | [DrEvil] | $94 for 128 meg SD |
| 05:37:28 | ScooterTrash | I need to find a cheap CF ethernet card |
| 05:37:41 | ScooterTrash | (not allowed to use wireless at work) |
| 05:44:11 | nemui-chan | Hey kergoth |
| 05:44:25 | [DrEvil] | he's ignoring us |
| 05:45:17 | nemui-chan | Heh |
| 05:45:25 | nemui-chan | [DrEvil] : I guess so |
| 05:45:43 | nemui-chan | I cant get qpe-mediaplayer to work for me for streaming urls. |
| 05:45:52 | nemui-chan | Is there a console mp3 player? |
| 05:46:00 | nemui-chan | I wonder if mpg123 would work if I compile and stripi t |
| 05:50:52 | [DrEvil] | perhaps |
| 05:51:00 | nemui-chan | I cant get it to complile.. |
| 05:51:04 | nemui-chan | oh well. :( |
| 06:04:43 | nemui-chan | So no one knows of any other mp3 players other than qpe-player and opie-mediaplayer? And neither of those support streaming? |
| 06:05:10 | [DrEvil] | did you look at tkcPlayer? |
| 06:05:39 | nemui-chan | Hmm.. not yet.. good idea. thanks |
| 06:06:43 | nemui-chan | hrmm... Doesnt say whether it does support it or not. |
| 06:06:46 | | nemui-chan: bugger all, i dunno |
| 06:06:46 | nemui-chan | ibot, message? |
| 06:06:50 | nemui-chan | Hmm |
| 06:06:55 | nemui-chan | I dont remember how to do that. |
| 06:08:17 | [DrEvil] | maybe I'll make nfs part of my image |
| 06:08:18 | [DrEvil] | and smb |
| 06:08:55 | nemui-chan | Hmm |
| 06:09:00 | nemui-chan | amybe I should get samba to work |
| 06:09:11 | nemui-chan | if I get samba work, can I mount a windows partition thats shared from a 98 box? |
| 06:09:26 | [DrEvil] | you will need a few packages |
| 06:09:47 | nemui-chan | Which packages?> |
| 06:10:10 | [DrEvil] | smbmount |
| 06:10:13 | [DrEvil] | and samba-server |
| 06:10:22 | [DrEvil] | at ZSI |
| 06:10:28 | nemui-chan | ZSI? |
| 06:10:34 | | i heard ZSI was http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 06:10:34 | nemui-chan | ibot, ZSI? |
| 06:10:42 | [DrEvil] | that place |
| 06:11:13 | nemui-chan | AH! Streaming radio player!: ) |
| 06:11:27 | nemui-chan | bah. server error. |
| 06:12:36 | [DrEvil] | wow |
| 06:12:47 | [DrEvil] | I'm going to be saving space by updating ncurses |
| 06:16:11 | nemui-chan | Hmmm |
| 06:16:15 | nemui-chan | [DrEvil] : What now? |
| 06:16:23 | nemui-chan | I have a shared mp3 directory on a windows box... |
| 06:16:31 | nemui-chan | and I'm trying to mount the directory according to teh docs... I think. |
| 06:16:47 | nemui-chan | <nemui-chan> [DrEvil] : What now? |
| 06:16:50 | nemui-chan | oops\ |
| 06:16:53 | [DrEvil] | be careful for what you wish for |
| 06:16:54 | nemui-chan | mount -t smbfs -o username=tridge,password=foobar //fjall/test /data/test |
| 06:16:58 | nemui-chan | Is what it says to do |
| 06:17:05 | nemui-chan | Here's what I'm doing: # mount -t smbfs workgroup=heeb //Nems/mp3 /mnt |
| 06:17:22 | nemui-chan | where workgroup is heeb, and //Nems/mp3 is what it lists on my other windows box as the path when I open up the shared directory. |
| 06:17:45 | [DrEvil] | I don't remember the command |
| 06:17:50 | [DrEvil] | I am working on getting it all working again |
| 06:17:58 | nemui-chan | damn. |
| 06:19:37 | [DrEvil] | ncurses updated |
| 06:19:52 | [DrEvil] | what is it telling you? |
| 06:20:05 | [DrEvil] | I use 2000 |
| 06:20:54 | nemui-chan | mount: /Nems: No such file or directory |
| 06:21:23 | [DrEvil] | do you have sharing turned on the windows box? |
| 06:21:28 | nemui-chan | yup. |
| 06:21:36 | nemui-chan | I have 2 windows boxes... I can see the shared directory from the other windows box. |
| 06:23:05 | nemui-chan | hmm |
| 06:23:06 | nemui-chan | # smbmount workgroup=heeb //Nems/mp3s/ /mnt |
| 06:23:06 | nemui-chan | Could not resolve mount point //Nems/mp3s/ |
| 06:23:24 | [DrEvil] | there is a way to view the shares |
| 06:23:30 | nemui-chan | how? |
| 06:23:30 | [DrEvil] | I forgot what it is |
| 06:23:33 | nemui-chan | lol |
| 06:23:39 | [DrEvil] | but soon it wont matter |
| 06:23:44 | [DrEvil] | if I get this script working |
| 06:23:50 | [DrEvil] | I will be able to autofs smb stuff |
| 06:24:15 | nemui-chan | Hrm |
| 06:24:23 | [DrEvil] | easy as cd'ing into a dir |
| 06:24:25 | nemui-chan | I'd like to know how they work normally though :) |
| 06:28:29 | nemui-chan | Z's really need man ;p |
| 06:30:43 | nemui-chan | [DrEvil] : Do you have to mount with an ip address? |
| 06:31:06 | [DrEvil] | only if you don't have DNS working |
| 06:31:59 | nemui-chan | What does dns have to do with file sharing? idont specify a domain name either? |
| 06:32:22 | [DrEvil] | well |
| 06:32:38 | nemui-chan | How are -you- mounting something? :) |
| 06:32:58 | [DrEvil] | instead of typing mount -t nfs 192.168.49.128:/media/mp3 /mnt/media |
| 06:33:14 | [DrEvil] | I can use mount -t nfs holly:/media/mp3 /mnt/media |
| 06:33:49 | nemui-chan | I thought for samba you have to use smbfs? |
| 06:34:34 | [DrEvil] | you didn't say smb |
| 06:34:38 | [DrEvil] | you said "mount" |
| 06:34:48 | nemui-chan | ah. sorry. ;) |
| 06:34:52 | [DrEvil] | and since nfs is native to UNIX |
| 06:35:12 | nemui-chan | Could not resolve mount point 192.168.1.100:/mp3s |
| 06:35:18 | nemui-chan | I cant even mount with ips... |
| 06:35:27 | [DrEvil] | that is wrong |
| 06:35:32 | [DrEvil] | /servername/share |
| 06:35:34 | [DrEvil] | errrr |
| 06:35:39 | [DrEvil] | //servername/share |
| 06:35:42 | Hellaenergy | Anyone here know how to change a kernel mod parameter on load? |
| 06:35:45 | nemui-chan | I tried that before.. |
| 06:35:48 | nemui-chan | That doesnt work either :) |
| 06:35:56 | [DrEvil] | it was working for me |
| 06:36:02 | [DrEvil] | get samba server running |
| 06:37:03 | nemui-chan | It is... |
| 06:37:17 | nemui-chan | Is there a config file? |
| 06:37:56 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 06:37:58 | [DrEvil] | smb.conf |
| 06:38:04 | nemui-chan | Thats what I thought. I dont seem to have one on my Z |
| 06:38:15 | nemui-chan | doh |
| 06:38:16 | nemui-chan | nevermind |
| 06:38:18 | nemui-chan | its late. |
| 06:38:19 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 06:39:28 | nemui-chan | should I be able to ping Servername? |
| 06:39:54 | [DrEvil] | that would help |
| 06:40:09 | nemui-chan | I can ping the ip... |
| 06:40:12 | nemui-chan | but not the servrer name |
| 06:40:19 | nemui-chan | The windows box is just named 'nems' |
| 06:41:14 | [DrEvil] | put it and it's ip in /etc/hosts |
| 06:41:29 | nemui-chan | And trying to connect to //Nems/ will look in /etc/hosts |
| 06:41:49 | [DrEvil] | normal name resolution is files before DNS |
| 06:42:08 | nemui-chan | still cant resolve the mount point |
| 06:43:07 | nemui-chan | does the windows box need to be running samba? |
| 06:43:13 | nemui-chan | or should the shared directories just be visible? |
| 06:43:25 | [DrEvil] | windows already runs SMB |
| 06:43:28 | nemui-chan | ok |
| 06:43:38 | nemui-chan | What am I doing wrong then? :/ |
| 06:43:39 | [DrEvil] | or CIFS if you want to be technical |
| 06:45:33 | nemui-chan | Any ideas? |
| 06:45:44 | [DrEvil] | not really |
| 06:45:59 | [DrEvil] | I haven't tried to mount anything from a 98 box in a long time |
| 06:49:59 | nemui-chan | sighs. |
| 06:50:02 | nemui-chan | My Z hates me ;p |
| 06:50:20 | nemui-chan | oh well.. I'l ldo it tomorrow |
| 06:50:21 | nemui-chan | thanks again |
| 06:50:36 | [DrEvil] | ja ja |
| 06:53:06 | [DrEvil] | this is the Kobyashi Maru |
| 06:53:21 | [DrEvil] | a no win situation |
| 07:06:14 | [DrEvil] | this does not look good |
| 07:06:27 | [DrEvil] | the lights are blinking at me |
| 07:41:04 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 08:42:15 | Guru | hello! |
| 08:42:43 | Guru | anything new going on?? |
| 10:53:07 | dc_ | hmms |
| 11:15:06 | dc_ | hey killefiz |
| 12:05:24 | neil | Hi all, I dunno if this is OT but anyone here from UK who can tell me where they bought their Zaurus? Also is the UK edition identical to the US? |
| 12:24:09 | neil | Another question. Is anyone currently working on drivers for the thinkoutside stowaway keyboard? |
| 12:25:14 | neil | Just been checking the serial interface and unfortunately the signal presentation differs from the iPaq life would have been easier otherwise |
| 12:47:10 | Twiun | neil: I imagine you're referring to the availability of the Zaurus 5500 in the UK, right? |
| 12:47:59 | Twiun | I haven't yet heard of it being released yet. The only model that has been available in the uk (afaik) is the developer edition, the 5000d |
| 12:48:15 | Twiun | the uk 5000d seems to be identical to the US one. |
| 12:49:11 | Twiun | where there are differences, such as the ones between the german and us editions of the 5500, it the german one has g appended to its model number |
| 12:49:15 | Twiun | hence 5500g |
| 12:49:27 | neil | thanks, in fact I think it may have been released very recently, I called Sharp yesterday and they gave me a distributor who had them but he didn't take credit cards and wanted me to send a cheque! |
| 12:49:41 | Twiun | Hah! |
| 12:49:52 | Twiun | which distributor was this? |
| 12:49:57 | Twiun | I'm curious |
| 12:50:38 | neil | Hmmm, I think I left the note at work, they were in Manchester. I'd never heard of them. |
| 12:51:28 | Twiun | Manchester sounds about right though... when my dev edition arrived, it had gone through manchester (from singapore) |
| 12:51:45 | neil | In a vain hope Ihave mailed Dixons today to see if they are going to stock them, the only reason being that I could pick one up in Duty free when I go away soon :-) |
| 12:52:19 | Twiun | Hehe, I think online retailers will most likely stock them way before dixon's et al |
| 12:53:18 | Twiun | right, sorry to dash, but I'm dying for a cup of tea... need to get some milk ;-) |
| 12:53:37 | neil | woo hoo just found them on dabs, £450 due in 4 days. see ya |
| 12:53:58 | neil | tea sounds like a fine idea. |
| 13:30:41 | jjbenham | where is the docs on the cross compiler? |
| 13:41:54 | Cam-afk | http://www.zauruszone.com/wiki/index.php?DeveloperSetupTips |
| 13:48:22 | jjbenham | thanks |
| 14:15:42 | neil[lurk] | Twiun - Don't know if you'd already left when I discovered that dabs have them listed as arriving in 3 to 4 days at £450. Is that a good price do you reckon? |
| 14:16:13 | mark | neil[lurk]: hmm, bit expensive no? |
| 14:16:30 | nemui-chan | Heya guys |
| 14:16:44 | CloudChaser | 'mornin |
| 14:16:54 | neil[lurk] | I reckon so, but it'll be interesting to see what the RRP is when Sharp UK get around to updating their webpage |
| 14:18:28 | neil[lurk] | Personally I'd have expected 399.99 to have been the right launch price. |
| 14:19:00 | mark | yeh, sounds more like it |
| 14:33:03 | Rince | finally, the Mobile Office also available for german people |
| 14:56:40 | neil[lurk] | Anyone used QPose, the palm emu? |
| 14:57:09 | Rince | I'd love to use it, but I don't have a Palm ROM-Image... |
| 14:58:32 | neil[lurk] | You can get all the images if you register as a palm developer, bit of a pain though. There must be some "ripped" roms around though I'm sure |
| 14:58:47 | Rince | well - I am a Palm User, not a developer :-) |
| 14:58:59 | Rince | I just need any image to have _one_ program run I want to use :-) |
| 14:59:05 | neil[lurk] | you have a palm at home yeah |
| 14:59:48 | Rince | yes, I do. And I swapped now to the Zaurus. |
| 15:00:04 | neil[lurk] | if you have a plam then you can download it's rom image using the palm download app. Hang on and I'll get you a URL |
| 15:00:12 | Rince | that would be nice! |
| 15:02:22 | neil[lurk] | rince: bear with me I am hunting it down :-) |
| 15:03:35 | neil[lurk] | OK try this. First you will need to get the Windows Palm Emu http://www.palmos.com/dev/tools/emulator/emulator-win.zip |
| 15:04:00 | neil[lurk] | install that and run it with your palm in the hotsync cradle |
| 15:04:49 | neil[lurk] | next (the following is taken from the POSE FAQ http://www.netmeister.org/palm/POSE/POSE-HOWTO.html#3) |
| 15:05:08 | neil[lurk] | In order to download a ROM image file from a device, start up POSE and right-click anywhere in the window. A menu will pop up from which you can select "File->Transfer ROM". This assumes, of course, that you have set up your system to talk to the cradle etc. |
| 15:07:18 | neil[lurk] | end quote. Back to my instructions now. You will be prompted to install ROMTransfer.prc which is part of the emulator package, install it the same as any other palm software, hotsync and then foollow the instructions |
| 15:07:29 | neil[lurk] | that should be it. Hope it works. |
| 15:09:41 | neil[lurk] | Rince: did that make any sense? |
| 15:18:12 | Rince | Hmm.. |
| 15:18:23 | Rince | I don't have a Windows here yet... but checking it :-) |
| 15:19:45 | neil[lurk] | I just checked on my install of the Windows version of POSE and the instructions above seem to work fine, so you ought to be OK. |
| 15:20:00 | Rince | Hmm, you have a Palm? :-) |
| 15:20:58 | neil[lurk] | yeah a Palm IIIX I've been holding out on the upgrade until something non windows came along. The palm is nice but they don't appear to have any vision any more |
| 15:22:53 | neil[lurk] | I am about to go for the Zaurus, one of the main things I use my palm for is logging my dives. I built an interface for my dive computer to the palm. If Qpose supports the serial interface I can move straight over by adapting the interface but keeping the old software while I rewrite it |
| 15:24:24 | Rince | well - I'd like ot have the train dates on the Zaurus, but german Trains only offer Palm format with an own palm program - or pdfs |
| 15:25:13 | neil[lurk] | that should work fine (do you mean pdb not pdf?) |
| 15:27:18 | Rince | no, pdf. |
| 15:27:24 | Rince | pdb is the format they offer for palm |
| 15:27:31 | Rince | for everyone else is pdf the choice :-) |
| 15:29:07 | neil[lurk] | right. I see now. Is there a pdf reader for Zaurus? qAcrobat ? :-). Though I assume the pdb version allowed you to search nicely etc. |
| 15:29:22 | Rince | yeah, that's the main reason, the search-and-list function :_) |
| 15:31:32 | MSpin | Rince: is the palmos program their own? |
| 15:31:39 | Rince | yes |
| 15:31:42 | Rince | they distribute it |
| 15:31:43 | MSpin | or is it just a palmdoc reader? |
| 15:31:47 | Rince | nope, is more |
| 15:31:52 | MSpin | ahh |
| 15:32:10 | MSpin | well, you can read the pdfs on the Z, or run the palm emulator |
| 15:32:20 | MSpin | are you a developer? |
| 15:32:49 | Rince | http://persoenlicherfahrplan.bahn.de, and |
| 15:33:02 | Rince | http://persoenlicherfahrplan.bahn.de/bin/pf/help.exe/dn?tpl=palm |
| 15:33:14 | Rince | MSpin: no,m not really a developer, just a user. |
| 15:33:34 | MSpin | Rince: ahhh |
| 15:33:36 | BigBoss | howdy ho |
| 15:33:40 | MSpin | heya BigBoss |
| 15:33:54 | Rince | MSpin: and I'd like to have either that reader running or an own version for Zaurus :-) |
| 15:34:26 | MSpin | Rince: yeah |
| 15:34:44 | MSpin | it'd be cool if you could convince the tain people to produce the data in XML or something |
| 15:34:48 | neil[lurk] | one other option if you can't get my rom download option to work, is to try to get them to export the pdb to another db format you could then import it into a db application on the Z and use the search in the db app instead (not ideal though) |
| 15:34:55 | MSpin | that way you could do what you want |
| 15:35:19 | neil[lurk] | MSpin: yes definitely the way to go. |
| 15:35:37 | Rince | *nod* |
| 15:35:56 | MSpin | hrm |
| 15:36:02 | MSpin | debates going back to bed |
| 16:05:03 | mark | fuck, OZ is screwed again |
| 16:05:05 | mark | kergoth: ping |
| 16:09:44 | mark | hi rikkus |
| 16:13:13 | neil[lurk] | Hmm strange, any ideas why export QPEDIR=/opt/Qtopia doesn't stick in the environemnt when I run it from a script. The export should force it out into the parent shouldn't it? |
| 16:13:22 | NeoTron | is away: kidfree day. whee |
| 16:14:54 | gonz | it shouldn't |
| 16:15:13 | gonz | but you can start the script in the parent with ". $scriptname" |
| 16:16:21 | neil[lurk] | Hmmm yeah,I was just following the Zaurus qtopia setup on http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_compiler_setup_howto.shtml which uses a script to init your environment |
| 16:16:49 | VerxHome | anyone here use hancom word? |
| 16:17:01 | VerxHome | I am trying to figure out if it is possible to use some different fonts with it. . . |
| 16:17:02 | neil[lurk] | but of course the shell that the script is setting the env up in dies with the script (Doh!) so I wonder what they really mean? |
| 16:17:47 | neil[lurk] | Doh!! source it! |
| 16:17:58 | neil[lurk] | is not playing with a full deck today |
| 16:21:10 | neil[lurk] | that did the job. |
| 16:47:45 | Hellaenergy | I wonder if this would help: |
| 16:47:47 | Hellaenergy | http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/pipermail/linux-arm-announce/2001-October/000121.html |
| 16:50:08 | Hellaenergy | preempt-kernel-rml-2.4.19-pre8-ac1-1.patch |
| 16:50:08 | Hellaenergy | preempt-kernel-rml-2.4.18-4.patch preempt-kernel-rml-2.4.19-pre8-ac5-1.patch |
| 16:50:18 | Hellaenergy | anyone know what the ac stands for? |
| 16:51:43 | Hellaenergy | 4 All Cool |
| 16:52:23 | ljp | ac = Alan Cox |
| 16:52:36 | Hellaenergy | seriously? |
| 16:52:48 | ljp | yes.. he tags his pacthes that way |
| 16:52:53 | Hellaenergy | ah |
| 16:53:23 | Hellaenergy | so if I got the 2.4.18 kernel can I apply andy of those patches directly or do I have to do em in order |
| 16:53:38 | Hellaenergy | pre 1 2 3 etc. |
| 16:54:01 | ljp | I think ac's you have to do it in order |
| 16:54:41 | Hellaenergy | ac1-1 and ac5-1 are the only ones |
| 16:54:56 | Hellaenergy | so 1-1 then 5-1 |
| 16:55:53 | Hellaenergy | what about the 2.4.19-pre8 patch can I apply that directly to 2.4.18? |
| 16:57:13 | Hellaenergy | Anyone tried that preemtive kernel on the Z yet? |
| 16:57:52 | ljp | the embedix kernel on the standard Z has real time extensions |
| 16:58:11 | Hellaenergy | standard Z? |
| 16:58:16 | Hellaenergy | 5000d :) |
| 16:58:27 | ljp | yes |
| 16:58:39 | ljp | standard rom I should say |
| 16:59:02 | Hellaenergy | so a trimmed down pre? |
| 16:59:41 | ljp | embedix has their own proprietary extensions |
| 16:59:59 | Hellaenergy | Anyone here want to go liven up the #kernel channel ;) |
| 17:00:30 | [DrEvil] | you are assuming there is life ther to begin with |
| 17:00:31 | Hellaenergy | Pretty soon they will be getting a patented to |
| 17:00:56 | Hellaenergy | I think someone said something once |
| 17:01:25 | ljp | I'm ok with non obvious patents |
| 17:01:44 | neil[lurk] | its a kernel channel they regard chat as an IO task best suited to drivers :-) |
| 17:01:46 | Hellaenergy | patent this |
| 17:01:54 | Hellaenergy | moons RedHat |
| 17:02:12 | ljp | puh |
| 17:02:14 | Hellaenergy | :) |
| 17:02:22 | Hellaenergy | smiles |
| 17:02:39 | Hellaenergy | then stands back upright |
| 17:02:51 | ljp | I can see silly patents such as amazons being frivilous |
| 17:04:13 | Hellaenergy | anyone here ever use tux? |
| 17:04:30 | ljp | hey I just discovered how to increas the fnt size in mozilla |
| 17:04:44 | ljp | tux? that silly qtopia app? |
| 17:05:03 | Hellaenergy | isn't that rh's web server |
| 17:05:45 | ljp | I have no idea |
| 17:05:50 | Hellaenergy | "Apparently Red Hat has filed two patent applications for stuff related to the TUX webserver. The patents are for Embedded Protocol Objects and Method and apparatus for atomic file look-up . One has to wonder (if their patents are granted) what their licensing terms will be.... free for open source, or a tool to try and screw other Linux distros?" |
| 17:06:27 | Hellaenergy | I smell a redhat |
| 17:06:43 | Hellaenergy | time to bust out a white hat |
| 17:07:02 | Hellaenergy | that was off of ./ |
| 17:07:07 | Hellaenergy | or /. rather |
| 17:08:16 | Hellaenergy | starts to download debian |
| 17:08:23 | neil[lurk] | I don't think they'd be doing themselves any favours going down that route so I expect its not quite what it seems. |
| 17:08:57 | Hellaenergy | neil[lurk]: I think your right but its good that someone made the point. |
| 17:08:59 | neil[lurk] | There is nothing wrong with them protecting their own invention. |
| 17:09:14 | Hellaenergy | one day RH might get that bright idea if no one said anything |
| 17:09:17 | ljp | I agree, neil. |
| 17:09:47 | neil[lurk] | you can always rely on /. making a comment :-) |
| 17:10:14 | ljp | I'm ok with it as long as they protect it from the outset.. i.e. not like GIF patent |
| 17:10:24 | neil[lurk] | nods |
| 17:10:40 | Hellaenergy | ljp: right on |
| 17:11:29 | ljp | goes onto patent pressing buttons to make letters appear on a remote machine |
| 17:12:00 | neil[lurk] | pays ljp all his income |
| 17:12:13 | Hellaenergy | did you guys know there is a #slashdot channel? |
| 17:12:40 | ljp | ya |
| 17:12:55 | neil[lurk] | a busy one, I presume |
| 17:13:26 | Hellaenergy | bout the same as here |
| 17:13:39 | Hellaenergy | there is someone talking on the kernel channel :) |
| 17:13:40 | ljp | only we're cooler |
| 17:13:46 | Hellaenergy | damb strait |
| 17:13:50 | neil[lurk] | :-) |
| 17:14:15 | ljp | I'm waiting for #playboy |
| 17:14:26 | neil[lurk] | got to go, see you around. |
| 17:14:32 | ljp | heh #swank |
| 17:14:52 | Hellaenergy | I'll miss that bot |
| 17:15:16 | Hellaenergy | Com[Plex] How the hell are ya! |
| 17:15:45 | Hellaenergy | I'll be the official door man for the #zaurus channel |
| 17:15:54 | Hellaenergy | can I take your coat |
| 17:18:37 | Hellaenergy | jets |
| 17:21:58 | Com[Plex] | heheh |
| 17:33:38 | [DrEvil] | nfs on the Z is fun |
| 17:33:47 | [DrEvil] | I just wish the apps would support it better |
| 17:34:25 | Rince | which ones? |
| 17:34:41 | [DrEvil] | like the media player and image viewers |
| 17:35:26 | [DrEvil] | I would rather have a directory selection dialog than have it try and read every file |
| 17:36:50 | [DrEvil] | watching the Z try and load a file list from 8 gigs of mp3's is scary |
| 17:37:37 | BigBoss | this slows down our player too and is why I don't like using that model |
| 17:39:07 | [DrEvil] | what model? |
| 17:40:17 | [DrEvil] | networked media? |
| 17:41:54 | BigBoss | network and just the whole documents handling |
| 17:42:14 | [DrEvil] | the Document thing on the Z is screwy |
| 17:42:27 | [DrEvil] | I don't want to see every .jpg from every program I have installed |
| 17:42:40 | [DrEvil] | instead it finds and shows everything |
| 17:42:57 | BigBoss | yea, it really doesn't scale |
| 17:43:49 | [DrEvil] | I guess I could cataorize all that stuff and hide it |
| 17:43:52 | [DrEvil] | but that is a PITA |
| 17:45:35 | [DrEvil] | I like being able to mount my mp3 collection whem I am at home |
| 17:46:15 | [DrEvil] | I dunno if it would be any faster if I did away with my directory structure and just had a flat filelist |
| 17:55:42 | [DrEvil] | great |
| 17:55:50 | [DrEvil] | I can't update the mount command on the Z |
| 17:56:41 | [DrEvil] | at least not on the Sharp ROM |
| 18:32:34 | [DrEvil] | grrr |
| 18:32:37 | [DrEvil] | what am I doing wrong |
| 18:34:18 | MSpin | who knows |
| 18:34:58 | [DrEvil] | I am trying to get usbdnet to work so I can troubleshoot this Buffalo card in OZ |
| 18:37:02 | MSpin | did you rebuild your kernel on the desktop? |
| 18:37:16 | [DrEvil] | it already has usbdnet in it |
| 18:37:54 | [DrEvil] | Mandrake 8.2 supports usbdnet out of the box |
| 18:39:14 | [DrEvil] | my desktop is 192.168.49.83 |
| 18:39:25 | [DrEvil] | my Z is 192.168.49.46 |
| 18:40:04 | [DrEvil] | do I bring up the usb0 interface on my desktop or the Z? |
| 18:42:16 | Rince | usb0 on the Z, usbd0 on the desktop |
| 18:45:01 | [DrEvil] | both of those should have the same IP? |
| 18:45:05 | Rince | no |
| 18:45:23 | Rince | Z has 192.168.129.201, while the desktop has 192.168.129.200 |
| 18:45:53 | [DrEvil] | is the whole Z thing hard coded for those IP addresses? |
| 18:46:21 | Rince | well - it's standard/default for the ubs |
| 18:46:22 | Rince | usb |
| 18:53:45 | VerxHome | anyone here use hancom office? |
| 18:54:04 | VerxHome | howdy ljp |
| 18:54:19 | ljp | hi verx |
| 18:55:23 | VerxHome | ljp: You use hancom office? |
| 18:55:59 | ljp | kinda, sorta |
| 18:56:11 | ljp | I've used hancom word a few times |
| 18:56:31 | VerxHome | you know if it can use any other fonts? |
| 18:57:58 | ljp | I believe so.. not sure |
| 19:00:38 | ljp | one of these days I'm going to add a extra fonts package to opie... if I ever have time.. |
| 19:01:03 | VerxHome | ljp: That would totally kick arse |
| 19:01:04 | VerxHome | :) |
| 19:01:18 | VerxHome | you would think that the arm feed would already have an extra fonts package. . . |
| 19:03:33 | ljp | for familiar? |
| 19:08:09 | VerxHome | well, tell me this |
| 19:08:14 | VerxHome | isn't there a tt font package? |
| 19:08:17 | VerxHome | oh, I see |
| 19:08:24 | VerxHome | the fonts for X11 aren't compatible with opie then? |
| 19:10:09 | ljp | not per se.. you have to make them compatible |
| 19:12:04 | [DrEvil] | blah |
| 19:12:39 | [DrEvil] | grrrr |
| 19:12:51 | [DrEvil] | neighbor's washing machine has gone off balance |
| 19:13:22 | ljp | hehehhehe |
| 19:16:39 | killefiz | hehe |
| 19:18:11 | [DrEvil] | yay |
| 19:18:16 | [DrEvil] | I'm connected |
| 19:18:22 | [DrEvil] | but now |
| 19:18:32 | [DrEvil] | this is going to be a routing nightmare |
| 19:18:38 | ljp | you sure it was the washing machine? and not your neighbor & an amourous friend? |
| 19:18:58 | [DrEvil] | I don't think anyone can hump like that |
| 19:19:19 | ljp | heh ever seen a buffalo do it? ;) |
| 19:19:33 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: heh, I've heard stories 'bout nvrrobx |
| 19:19:40 | [DrEvil] | let's not go there |
| 19:19:43 | MSpin | LOL |
| 19:20:27 | MSpin | mental note: bed on wheels+hard wood floors = no good |
| 19:20:46 | [DrEvil] | stares at MSpin |
| 19:20:50 | [DrEvil] | ok bitch |
| 19:20:56 | [DrEvil] | I have connectivity to my Z |
| 19:20:59 | MSpin | hah |
| 19:21:07 | [DrEvil] | now make my Buffalo card work with OZ |
| 19:21:19 | MSpin | grr |
| 19:21:38 | MSpin | I don't feel like doing this remotely |
| 19:21:44 | [DrEvil] | well |
| 19:21:47 | [DrEvil] | let's see |
| 19:21:53 | [DrEvil] | what time does Penguin get up |
| 19:21:59 | MSpin | late |
| 19:22:01 | [DrEvil] | he needs to come visit |
| 19:22:09 | MSpin | he danced and prolly did afterhours |
| 19:22:13 | [DrEvil] | and he can pick you up |
| 19:22:27 | MSpin | yeah, but, I got shite to do this weekend |
| 19:22:31 | [DrEvil] | and then we can have a grand old time |
| 19:22:53 | MSpin | hahah |
| 19:23:00 | MSpin | just let me ssh in LOL |
| 19:23:01 | [DrEvil] | but the fate of the world rests on me getting the Buffalo card working in OZ |
| 19:23:13 | [DrEvil] | well |
| 19:23:15 | [DrEvil] | glad you said that |
| 19:23:25 | [DrEvil] | because I am trying to figure out how I am going to manage to do the routing |
| 19:23:26 | MSpin | the fate of *your* world |
| 19:23:34 | [DrEvil] | the entire world |
| 19:23:43 | MSpin | you're on dial-up with a single IP |
| 19:23:51 | [DrEvil] | I will make life uncomfortable for everyone |
| 19:23:56 | MSpin | it's not gonna happen |
| 19:24:12 | MSpin | I'd need to ssh to the box in between |
| 19:24:25 | [DrEvil] | so here's the deal |
| 19:24:43 | [DrEvil] | my firewall/router has a ppp interface that is it's external |
| 19:24:52 | MSpin | oh |
| 19:24:54 | [DrEvil] | then the LAN behind it is 192.168.49.0 |
| 19:25:03 | [DrEvil] | and of course it NATs that |
| 19:25:09 | [DrEvil] | then there is my PC |
| 19:25:10 | MSpin | is the FW/router a real box? |
| 19:25:19 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 19:25:27 | MSpin | does it run ssh? |
| 19:25:50 | [DrEvil] | yes...but I think I might have to lower the shields |
| 19:25:52 | [DrEvil] | a bit |
| 19:26:14 | MSpin | you could also portforward a pot directly to the Z |
| 19:26:45 | [DrEvil] | but the Z is on 192.168.129.201 connected to my PC which is eth0 192.168.49.83 |
| 19:27:13 | MSpin | yesh |
| 19:27:15 | [DrEvil] | so I would need to create a route on the firewall to the 129 net |
| 19:27:17 | MSpin | NAT it again LOL |
| 19:27:23 | MSpin | hrm that could work |
| 19:27:55 | MSpin | brb |
| 19:28:06 | [DrEvil] | you are disappearing |
| 19:28:08 | [DrEvil] | I can sense it |
| 19:29:49 | ljp | its them damn crystals, Cap'n! |
| 19:30:22 | MSpin | heh |
| 19:30:30 | MSpin | <----hanging up clothes |
| 19:31:27 | [DrEvil] | is opening the fly on his firewall |
| 19:31:52 | [DrEvil] | brb |
| 19:32:08 | killefiz | where can I get an mpeg1-file that works on the z? |
| 19:32:32 | [DrEvil] | there |
| 19:32:33 | Rince | if you have one, tell me :-) |
| 19:32:35 | [DrEvil] | damn msec |
| 19:33:39 | gonz | killefiz: i remember http://www.pocketmovies.com/ or so |
| 19:35:34 | killefiz | gonz: doesn't exist (i think) |
| 19:35:56 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: recognize anyone in this pic? http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/dickey/images/ACMBBQ/2002-05-24/013.jpg |
| 19:37:07 | gonz | killefiz: ok, it was pocketmovies.net |
| 19:37:23 | [DrEvil] | I'm on a dial up |
| 19:37:23 | mark | gonz: none of them look that good to me |
| 19:37:31 | [DrEvil] | that is a big pic |
| 19:37:39 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: not *that* big, it's worth it |
| 19:38:23 | [DrEvil] | I see da guvna |
| 19:39:00 | MSpin | ya |
| 19:39:38 | MSpin | his expression is funny |
| 19:40:01 | [DrEvil] | well shit |
| 19:40:04 | [DrEvil] | I zapped that file |
| 19:40:49 | gonz | mark: i downloaded some of them quite a while ago and had a lot of fun |
| 19:43:02 | [DrEvil] | Locke reminds me of Mel Brooks in Blazing Saddles |
| 19:43:07 | [DrEvil] | the guvna |
| 19:45:39 | killefiz | gonz: cool ... dansedecable*.mpg works in opie-player |
| 19:46:06 | gonz | :) glad it worked |
| 19:56:40 | [DrEvil] | where do you set the default gateway device on the Z? |
| 20:03:16 | MSpin | route add -net default gw x.x.x.x |
| 20:08:59 | codemnky | howdy |
| 20:12:56 | mark | hi codemnky |
| 20:13:10 | mark | MSpin: -net isn't necessary is it? |
| 20:14:16 | MSpin | I don't think it is with default |
| 20:14:20 | MSpin | sometimes it's needed |
| 20:15:25 | nasa | Hi, -- how do you format a CF card under linux? |
| 20:16:58 | Rince | mke2fs |
| 20:17:45 | nasa | sorry, need to be specific -- as fat |
| 20:18:51 | killefiz | mkfs.msdos / mkfs.vfat? |
| 20:19:10 | nasa | does that format the cf or just create the fs? |
| 20:19:14 | ljp | mkdosfs |
| 20:19:32 | ljp | formatting is creating the fs |
| 20:21:39 | codemnky | hey mark |
| 20:50:26 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 13:09:21) |
| 20:51:42 | codemnky | hey |
| 20:51:48 | codemnky | yo |
| 20:51:58 | codemnky | hello |
| 20:53:35 | [DrEvil] | stares at the USB port on the firewall |
| 20:53:38 | [DrEvil] | eyes the Z |
| 20:54:15 | ljp | I hear staring at it awhile helps forward packets |
| 20:55:10 | [DrEvil] | perhaps |
| 20:55:41 | [DrEvil] | it just isn't working |
| 20:58:45 | [DrEvil] | jgh |
| 20:58:47 | [DrEvil] | ugh |
| 20:58:50 | [DrEvil] | this song |
| 21:03:16 | codemnky | dr evil |
| 21:03:48 | codemnky | do you have a stock option plan? i would like some options in evil. |
| 21:04:19 | dc | evil! |
| 21:08:11 | [DrEvil] | I am in stock option hell right now |
| 21:08:20 | codemnky | heh |
| 21:08:24 | codemnky | i know the feeling |
| 21:08:43 | [DrEvil] | I need to sell for money |
| 21:08:50 | [DrEvil] | but I am so in the hole it isn't funny |
| 21:09:26 | codemnky | you have'nt seen my hole |
| 21:09:43 | codemnky | and it sucks |
| 21:09:48 | [DrEvil] | I don't think I want to |
| 21:10:01 | codemnky | heh |
| 21:10:58 | codemnky | know anything about CA |
| 21:11:54 | [DrEvil] | the state or the company? |
| 21:12:35 | codemnky | state |
| 21:12:37 | ljp | or the country |
| 21:12:51 | codemnky | california |
| 21:13:04 | codemnky | i'm currently living in miami, fl |
| 21:13:04 | ljp | califormia county? |
| 21:13:06 | ljp | hehehe |
| 21:13:21 | codemnky | but have a good reason to move to CA |
| 21:13:52 | ljp | only two reasons I'd move there... $$$$ or poontang |
| 21:13:58 | codemnky | i guess that's from one end of the US to the othe |
| 21:13:59 | codemnky | are |
| 21:14:45 | codemnky | well, $$$ is there, pootang would be coming with me and flroida is too damn hot in the summer |
| 21:17:17 | MSpin | the bay area is *expensive* tho |
| 21:17:31 | codemnky | yea, we've been looking at that |
| 21:17:34 | MSpin | that's why there's the $$$ |
| 21:17:38 | codemnky | it is expensive |
| 21:18:04 | codemnky | the job is in LA |
| 21:18:10 | MSpin | not that I've ever lived there |
| 21:18:19 | MSpin | I'm in Seattle |
| 21:18:19 | codemnky | so i would have to live around LA area |
| 21:18:30 | MSpin | yeah, ewwww |
| 21:18:39 | codemnky | hey |
| 21:18:48 | [DrEvil] | another one bites the dust |
| 21:18:51 | codemnky | there are nice places around there! |
| 21:18:53 | codemnky | :) |
| 21:18:59 | codemnky | miami sucks |
| 21:19:00 | ljp | and nice women |
| 21:19:02 | MSpin | hehe |
| 21:19:21 | codemnky | but if someone want to move here i could tell them where the nice spots are :) |
| 21:19:46 | [DrEvil] | there are no jobs in WA state |
| 21:19:47 | [DrEvil] | none |
| 21:19:47 | codemnky | as long as they have lots of beer in their system |
| 21:19:58 | ljp | if I moved Florida direction... I'd keep going on.. towards Anguilla |
| 21:20:02 | MSpin | I was in orlando a few years ago |
| 21:20:19 | codemnky | i have to be close to the ocean for some reason |
| 21:20:36 | codemnky | i don't even have to go, i just need to know it's there |
| 21:21:02 | MSpin | security...ocean |
| 21:21:05 | MSpin | hrm |
| 21:21:25 | codemnky | you never know when you might have to make a run for the water to avoid the authorities |
| 21:21:30 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: there *are* jobs..just not many |
| 21:21:52 | [DrEvil] | and fewer and fewer |
| 21:22:03 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: I disagree, I'm seeing an increase |
| 21:22:05 | [DrEvil] | Boeing laid off about 1700 more people yesterday |
| 21:22:11 | MSpin | too much money is sitting on the sidlines |
| 21:22:11 | codemnky | i guess i'm 1/2 fish |
| 21:22:18 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: I'm talking Tech |
| 21:22:22 | codemnky | or mabe seal |
| 21:22:39 | [DrEvil] | they lay off tech people too |
| 21:22:48 | codemnky | oh, maybe it's pinguin |
| 21:22:57 | MSpin | and you forget that Boeing is feast or famin, always have, always will |
| 21:23:17 | MSpin | IMHO boeing ceased to be the huge economic power in this area that it once was |
| 21:23:44 | codemnky | there are plently of tech job out there, the only problem i see is real tech geeks are too lazy to aquire them |
| 21:24:02 | MSpin | hehe |
| 21:24:05 | codemnky | :) |
| 21:24:13 | MSpin | google is hireing:) |
| 21:24:44 | [DrEvil] | I've been trying to aquire a job for over a year |
| 21:24:53 | codemnky | to do what? |
| 21:26:05 | codemnky | what is it the dr. wants to do? |
| 21:26:21 | ljp | he wants to extort a million dollars |
| 21:26:43 | [DrEvil] | does systems admin |
| 21:26:44 | codemnky | we all want that, what the visible plan to get there |
| 21:27:09 | codemnky | systems admin is good, get in control and hold eveyone hastange |
| 21:27:15 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: learn technical marketing and give Cubster a call:) |
| 21:27:17 | codemnky | :) |
| 21:27:23 | [DrEvil] | bleah |
| 21:27:42 | codemnky | what kinda systems |
| 21:27:45 | codemnky | linux i hope |
| 21:27:55 | codemnky | or the l;ike |
| 21:28:55 | codemnky | tick tock |
| 21:29:44 | [DrEvil] | all the major UNIX variants |
| 21:30:12 | [DrEvil] | AIX, IRIX, HP-SUX, Slowaris, Linux |
| 21:30:29 | codemnky | thank god |
| 21:31:01 | codemnky | even though we know you love windows secretly |
| 21:31:24 | codemnky | 8^) |
| 21:31:47 | codemnky | for the game |
| 21:31:48 | codemnky | s |
| 21:31:52 | codemnky | of course |
| 21:33:47 | codemnky | that was a joke |
| 21:34:04 | HMS | hmmm |
| 21:34:08 | HMS | alrighty then. |
| 21:34:10 | HMS | heh |
| 21:34:13 | HMS | where did I leave off? |
| 21:35:01 | [DrEvil] | over there |
| 21:35:01 | codemnky | where did you leave off. |
| 21:35:03 | [DrEvil] | under the couch |
| 21:35:14 | HMS | heh |
| 21:35:42 | codemnky | behind the stove? |
| 21:36:05 | HMS | Ahh... when I reboot, and go into X, it's great. I can reboot into QPE whenever I wish, however, after I have gone into X, and then QPE it does not want to start back up without removing the battery case. |
| 21:36:26 | HMS | But, I don't loose any info or programs, will just have to keep taking the battery case off to start 'er up. |
| 21:37:17 | HMS | I've got it installed on ram, and it's not qtopia-x, it doesn't run through a vnc server... it's straight x... and in all only takes up about a meg of space. |
| 21:38:23 | HMS | I've got enlightenment to run as well, but only from cf and sd... and it's about 2 megs... but same freezing problem when starting 'er up. |
| 21:38:56 | codemnky | define "start back up" |
| 21:39:33 | HMS | a soft reboot I would presume, having to remove the battery casing and not the battery... then it will reboot just fine and either go into qpe, or I can stop it and load x. |
| 21:40:02 | HMS | even after qpe has started again, when I power off via the CANCEL button, it won't turn back on without a soft reboot. |
| 21:40:32 | codemnky | hmm |
| 21:40:56 | HMS | it isn't a problem per say, just damn annoying. |
| 21:42:21 | codemnky | sum up the problem in 1 short sentence |
| 21:42:55 | codemnky | for the record |
| 21:43:36 | HMS | The Z will not quick power on when x and window managers are installed without a soft reboot. |
| 21:45:11 | codemnky | i'm just guessing but how would one switch from X to other display server while powered on, you'd have to kill X and restart another service right? |
| 21:45:53 | HMS | correct. a soft reboot out of qpe will do, then don't let qpe start back up... go into command only mode. |
| 21:46:33 | codemnky | i'm still alittle hazel with your explination above |
| 21:46:39 | codemnky | hazy |
| 21:46:49 | codemnky | The Z will not ... |
| 21:47:12 | codemnky | so they are both installed |
| 21:47:12 | HMS | Okay... let's see.... |
| 21:47:21 | HMS | yeah, they are both installed.... |
| 21:47:31 | codemnky | and you want to switch back and forth without soft reboot |
| 21:48:03 | codemnky | back and forth from X to QPE |
| 21:48:09 | HMS | when x and the windowmanagers aren't installed. Yeah, startup with a soft reboot... I can do that... but once back in qpe after being in x, qpe will not start back up again without a soft reboot. |
| 21:48:34 | codemnky | anything in the erro logs etc |
| 21:48:39 | codemnky | to give any clues |
| 21:48:47 | HMS | after being in x for awhile, and developing, I would like to go back to qpe and stay in it until I soft reboot again to go into x. |
| 21:49:07 | HMS | No... the only errors I'm getting right now are font errors... looking for helvetica font. |
| 21:49:18 | HMS | that's not a problem, it needs to be fixed, but it's not a problem. |
| 21:49:39 | codemnky | just so i'm clear soft reboot is ... |
| 21:50:32 | HMS | soft reboot is going through the Sharp logo screen, and Linux booting up with the 5 second WAIT screen. |
| 21:50:55 | HMS | in which time you can invoke the /? key and press A to go into text mode. |
| 21:51:05 | codemnky | hmm |
| 21:52:16 | HMS | haha. damn ghost finally dropped. |
| 21:52:17 | codemnky | the Z will not quick power on when x and window managers are installed without a soft reboot, does that mean switch between them both |
| 21:52:55 | HMS | yes. What it's causing is a soft reboot to determine what you want to use (x or qpe). |
| 21:53:15 | HMS | I wouldn't mind the reboot, IF... I didn't have to remove my battery casing. |
| 21:53:28 | codemnky | can you kill x or qpe and start which one you want? |
| 21:53:47 | HMS | yes |
| 21:54:24 | HMS | do you want the compiled ipks so you can see what I mean? I'll give you explicit instructions on installing them. |
| 21:54:56 | ljp | qpe disables apm... maybe has something to do with that? |
| 21:54:56 | codemnky | i've installed X on my Z before and started it |
| 21:55:15 | HMS | otay |
| 21:55:17 | codemnky | i'm almost clear on your problem but not quite |
| 21:55:36 | codemnky | i guess when we are both clear the solution will present itselkf |
| 21:55:50 | HMS | hmmm... let me try this |
| 21:56:10 | HMS | without x installed, the z works fine. The Cancel on/off button works fine. |
| 21:56:35 | HMS | when x is installed, I can get into either... x or qpe, but... I have to soft reset in order to do it. |
| 21:56:42 | HMS | the Cancel on/off button does not work. |
| 21:56:45 | HMS | not even in qpe. |
| 21:56:48 | codemnky | of course i installed X once looked at it for 5 mintues and went that's neat and flashed back |
| 21:57:03 | HMS | No flashing involved here.... |
| 21:57:06 | HMS | heh |
| 21:57:26 | codemnky | :)\ |
| 21:57:47 | codemnky | so you have both X and qpe installed right |
| 21:57:58 | HMS | yuo |
| 21:58:00 | HMS | yup even |
| 21:58:13 | codemnky | when you're in X or qpe you have to softboot to switch? |
| 21:58:40 | HMS | correct, prematurely through my battery casing... just moving it aside for a moment, and replacing it. |
| 21:59:04 | ljp | all you have to do to reboot is flick the switch |
| 21:59:42 | HMS | no switches... tried that... doesn't work, have to actually remove the battery casing, and replace it. |
| 21:59:44 | codemnky | instead of having to do that, what do you think you should have to do |
| 22:00:08 | ljp | qpe disables apm, and X is probably looking for it, making it unavailable for qpe even |
| 22:00:26 | HMS | well, do a command "reboot" once out of x, and qpe starts up fine... then, I want qpe to be normal and be able to use the on/off swtich to stay in qpe. |
| 22:00:30 | codemnky | can X and qpe be an init value |
| 22:00:37 | HMS | if I want back in x, I'll soft reboot and invoke it. |
| 22:00:43 | codemnky | that runs all the right stuff |
| 22:00:55 | codemnky | runs and or stops |
| 22:01:07 | HMS | ljp, not in my version, I've added apm into it, and icons down as a task. |
| 22:02:35 | HMS | x windows knows my battery state and when it's charging... |
| 22:02:40 | ljp | heh.. qpe disables apm on startup |
| 22:03:08 | HMS | nods |
| 22:03:31 | codemnky | i don't know alot but i think your problem has an easy solution |
| 22:03:46 | codemnky | it just might be a pain in the ass to figure it out :) |
| 22:03:49 | ljp | I thik thats why there's qtopia-X |
| 22:04:19 | HMS | qtopia-x uses more resources though, slows things down a bit because it has to bit cross information from server to viewer. |
| 22:05:01 | codemnky | sounds like with the push of a button youn want to switch between qpe and X and back and forth |
| 22:05:15 | codemnky | without power cycle/restert etc right? |
| 22:05:50 | HMS | yeah.... but, I don't mind rebooting into command to start x, but, when I don't want to develop it I want to be able to stay in qpe until I invoke a reboot for x. |
| 22:07:05 | codemnky | your last sentence confussed me |
| 22:07:15 | codemnky | say it in other words |
| 22:07:46 | HMS | I want to stay in qpe unless I reboot to go into x. |
| 22:07:48 | codemnky | just for the hell of it describe your whole senario |
| 22:07:56 | HMS | okay |
| 22:08:43 | HMS | QPE is up and running... I do a reboot, invoke command driven only, type in startx for x to appear, play with it, code a little... quit x and type "reboot".... |
| 22:08:57 | codemnky | it's my understanding you can stay in qpe unless you reboot into X and your saying you have to soft boot to get into X? |
| 22:09:22 | HMS | process starts over, normally, qpe starts. I mess around a bit in qpe, push the on/off button. WHen I go back to turn it on, I have to soft reset through the battery casing removal and replacement. |
| 22:09:34 | HMS | that's it codemnky |
| 22:10:03 | codemnky | sounds like a job for the run levels |
| 22:10:15 | codemnky | do you think it can do it? |
| 22:10:40 | HMS | that's what I thought... but how could that effect once qpe is up and running, the fact that it won't quick power on when I want it to? |
| 22:12:03 | codemnky | more explination |
| 22:12:11 | codemnky | for the above sentence |
| 22:12:13 | codemnky | heh |
| 22:12:14 | codemnky | sorry |
| 22:12:18 | HMS | hehe... that's alright. |
| 22:12:53 | HMS | How could a runlevel of 5, normal boot into QPE, effect the status of the system when qpe is up and running and should quick power on and off? |
| 22:12:55 | codemnky | i don;t know eveything but there has to be a simple 'unix/linux' answer to your problem |
| 22:13:01 | HMS | runlevels don't change with the quick on/off |
| 22:13:06 | codemnky | since that is the OS and i know linux |
| 22:14:16 | codemnky | the quick power off/on switch - the cancel button? |
| 22:14:31 | HMS | well, I've been using Linux and BSD for about 8 years now... and I've done everything the same for coding for the Z as I would for any other puter... hehe |
| 22:14:35 | HMS | yeah, the cancel button |
| 22:15:15 | codemnky | i'm the same as you, not a Z expert but interested in your problem :) |
| 22:15:58 | codemnky | got my Z sitting right here, i guess i need to install X huh |
| 22:16:05 | HMS | hahaha |
| 22:16:30 | codemnky | i have it installed before but flashed it away testing stuff |
| 22:16:31 | HMS | I'll send the files, you can remove them later easily in qpe via the uninstall/install or, the add/remove software |
| 22:16:46 | HMS | nothing get's f**ked up |
| 22:17:05 | codemnky | oh i'm used to fucking it up, don't worry, i have back ups |
| 22:17:12 | HMS | lol |
| 22:17:13 | codemnky | i mean f**king |
| 22:17:23 | codemnky | :) |
| 22:17:27 | HMS | hold on, I'll go get the files from my server... |
| 22:18:18 | codemnky | which X windowmanager are you using |
| 22:18:37 | HMS | right now, icewm. with a few themes. |
| 22:18:48 | HMS | I've played around with it alot and have updated it quite a bit |
| 22:19:05 | codemnky | that's what i org installed but didb't know how to conf it |
| 22:19:57 | HMS | you won't need to conf this at all |
| 22:20:02 | codemnky | i've been trying to get a small version on windowmaker on it |
| 22:20:03 | HMS | it's all set up for pretty easy install |
| 22:20:10 | HMS | I've been working on that |
| 22:20:12 | codemnky | og |
| 22:20:14 | codemnky | of |
| 22:20:19 | HMS | having problems converting the docks |
| 22:20:21 | codemnky | like windowmaker? |
| 22:20:41 | HMS | I have it up and running, and the menus and shit... but, the docks keep blinking |
| 22:20:56 | codemnky | windowmaker rules |
| 22:21:05 | treke|laptop | hopes this isnt windowmaker on a zaurus |
| 22:21:06 | codemnky | you can keep your enlioghment and kde |
| 22:21:10 | codemnky | :) |
| 22:21:22 | treke|laptop | please tell me it isnt :) |
| 22:21:26 | HMS | hahaha |
| 22:21:38 | HMS | it is trek |
| 22:22:00 | treke|laptop | you poor soul. I've seen screen shots of wmaker on ipaqs. Its not pretty ;) |
| 22:22:05 | HMS | stand by code... commin your way, and then I'll tell ya how to install the files. |
| 22:22:24 | HMS | it is in my z... just the docks blinking is the only problem. |
| 22:22:42 | codemnky | i'm just joking, i like windowmaker on my laptop, not sure if it right for a palm cpu |
| 22:22:43 | codemnky | :) |
| 22:23:16 | treke|laptop | although blackbox doesnt do to bad :) |
| 22:23:30 | treke|laptop | ion is really nice on pdas. So is matchbox |
| 22:23:32 | HMS | you getting the first ipk codemnky? |
| 22:23:44 | codemnky | trying |
| 22:23:54 | codemnky | using xchat |
| 22:24:02 | HMS | ahhh... *snort* |
| 22:24:16 | codemnky | i see it and said acdept |
| 22:24:19 | codemnky | accept |
| 22:24:30 | codemnky | what should i be using |
| 22:24:42 | HMS | oh, x-chat is fine... :o) |
| 22:24:53 | HMS | I had the same problem with DCCing things in xchat |
| 22:24:54 | HMS | lol |
| 22:25:02 | codemnky | hmm it ain't working |
| 22:25:11 | codemnky | damn linucx |
| 22:25:13 | codemnky | linux |
| 22:25:14 | HMS | let me resend it |
| 22:25:15 | codemnky | :) |
| 22:25:37 | codemnky | don't make me switch to window |
| 22:25:40 | codemnky | s |
| 22:25:46 | HMS | hahaha |
| 22:26:28 | HMS | it ain't goin... rofl |
| 22:26:40 | codemnky | hmm, i see it but it's not downloadng |
| 22:27:01 | codemnky | i did download some other file awhile ago |
| 22:27:13 | HMS | well shit turds |
| 22:27:32 | codemnky | what system are you using |
| 22:27:39 | codemnky | maybe that's the prolem :) |
| 22:27:58 | codemnky | debian? redhat? |
| 22:28:05 | codemnky | slackware? |
| 22:28:08 | HMS | I'm on 2k right now... my linux box is compiling. |
| 22:28:08 | codemnky | come on |
| 22:28:18 | codemnky | good execuse |
| 22:28:23 | codemnky | :) |
| 22:28:29 | HMS | ;) |
| 22:28:48 | codemnky | i've been using redhat for years |
| 22:28:49 | HMS | had a friend put on the new mandrake the other day... hahahaha. what a riot |
| 22:28:57 | HMS | I only use slack and deb... |
| 22:29:09 | codemnky | i have'nt switch only because of my lazieness to learn |
| 22:29:29 | HMS | it's not steap from redhat to slack |
| 22:29:30 | HMS | ;) |
| 22:29:54 | codemnky | it's been good to me, but also i have heard nothing but good thing about evey linux distro |
| 22:30:03 | codemnky | every |
| 22:30:21 | HMS | well, I don't like redhat because they're becomming too much commercial |
| 22:30:30 | [DrEvil] | mspin |
| 22:30:31 | [DrEvil] | wake up |
| 22:30:37 | MSpin | whatdammit! |
| 22:30:45 | codemnky | just don't pay for redhat and you'll feel differently |
| 22:30:53 | MSpin | mmm gentoo |
| 22:30:55 | codemnky | :) |
| 22:30:56 | HMS | I don't pay for any nix system |
| 22:31:00 | HMS | lol |
| 22:31:06 | codemnky | exatly |
| 22:31:09 | [DrEvil] | you can ssh in |
| 22:31:43 | codemnky | i've been meaning to switch to debian, freebsd etc |
| 22:31:43 | MSpin | ip? |
| 22:31:56 | codemnky | just for the hell of it |
| 22:32:00 | codemnky | only one problemn |
| 22:32:07 | MSpin | codemnky: seriously, check out gentoo, it uses something like ports:) |
| 22:32:08 | codemnky | i'm getting to old |
| 22:32:08 | HMS | freebsd is nice. |
| 22:32:11 | [DrEvil] | 'ang on |
| 22:32:12 | HMS | HAHAHA |
| 22:32:18 | codemnky | 33 now |
| 22:32:30 | HMS | 33 ain't old |
| 22:32:33 | codemnky | soon i'll need a wheel chair |
| 22:32:44 | MSpin | LOL |
| 22:32:53 | codemnky | then damn kids know more tham mew |
| 22:33:04 | HMS | HAHAHA. I'm near 30... try being a united states investigations officer for 4 years, that makes you old. |
| 22:33:06 | HMS | gag |
| 22:33:13 | codemnky | only thing i have going for me is i can out smart them in common sense |
| 22:33:24 | codemnky | :) |
| 22:33:35 | HMS | haha, they know as much as you did at their age... |
| 22:33:39 | HMS | you have time over 'em. |
| 22:33:41 | HMS | ;) |
| 22:33:45 | HMS | they're just quicker |
| 22:34:11 | HMS | let's get these files to ya, so you can enjoy x without flash... ROFL |
| 22:34:59 | HMS | you dual boot codemnky? |
