| 00:00:01 | kend-static | should i upload 'em to handango? |
| 00:00:10 | kend-static | i really want to cause as little confusion as possible |
| 00:00:11 | NeoTron | hold a sec |
| 00:00:16 | ljp-- | yep, it's rum:30 |
| 00:00:40 | tux_mike | anyone wanna take dibs on how long this 20 MHz machine will make QT in? i'm guessing 3 days. :) |
| 00:00:49 | kend-static | 20 MHz!? |
| 00:00:51 | kend-static | what IS it? |
| 00:01:46 | kend-static | wonders what NeoTron's doing |
| 00:02:01 | kend-static | shoot - i'm getting hungry |
| 00:02:08 | tux_mike | kend-static: m68k mac. i'm building it on this because it's the only thing i have at the time with a framebuffer |
| 00:02:12 | NeoTron | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/libSDL.a and ditto for libSDL_mixer.a |
| 00:02:18 | kend-static | kewl neo - thanks! :) |
| 00:02:23 | mindglow | hello |
| 00:03:01 | tux_mike | kend-static: it's been goign for an hour and just finished compiling moc, and just started on libpng |
| 00:03:17 | kend-static | /usr/local/arm/lib//libSDL_mixer.a: could not read symbols: No more archived files |
| 00:03:33 | ljp-- | tux: what version of qt? 2.3? or 3? with examples? |
| 00:03:42 | tux_mike | 2.3 |
| 00:03:54 | kend-static | /usr/local/arm/lib/libSDL.a: current ar archive |
| 00:03:56 | kend-static | /usr/local/arm/lib/libSDL_mixer.a: current ar archive |
| 00:03:59 | tux_mike | i think i left examples on :/ |
| 00:04:24 | kend-static | ideas, neo? |
| 00:04:27 | tux_mike | i'll give it the good ol' ctrl-c if i see it do any examples |
| 00:04:44 | tux_mike | kend-static: don't you need the .la files too for static linking? |
| 00:04:56 | kend-static | i have NO idea |
| 00:05:05 | kend-static | it took this long for me to realize i didnt have (and needed) .a's |
| 00:05:39 | tux_mike | we should just make libSDL available via a package and leave it at that |
| 00:07:09 | Narrowmind | you need .a's at co, |
| 00:07:11 | kend-static | oh shit |
| 00:07:15 | kend-static | i didnt finish downloading :) |
| 00:07:16 | kend-static | oops |
| 00:07:20 | Narrowmind | er compile time |
| 00:07:24 | kend-static | that's what i get for running wget without watchign |
| 00:08:00 | tux_mike | Narrowmind: you need the .h files at compile time, .a (i think .la) at link time ;) |
| 00:08:24 | kend-static | tux_mike: i'll send you a new ipkg in a few, is that alright? |
| 00:08:28 | Narrowmind | yea |
| 00:08:34 | tux_mike | sure |
| 00:08:41 | tux_mike | i may not be around to test it. |
| 00:08:51 | kend-static | woah - now i get this. cpp: -lang-c: linker input file unused since linking not done |
| 00:09:05 | tux_mike | i need to find my stylus, |
| 00:09:19 | Narrowmind | often linking is right after compile...so |
| 00:09:34 | tux_mike | kend-static: you have -lSDL -Lpath/to/sdl? |
| 00:09:44 | kend-static | -L/path/to/SDL -lSDL -lSDL_mixer |
| 00:09:51 | NeoTron | I need to fix up SDL and then it might be more officially available |
| 00:09:58 | NeoTron | after the contest I should have some time for that |
| 00:10:00 | tux_mike | try making it clean |
| 00:10:08 | kend-static | i did |
| 00:10:15 | NeoTron | kend-static: the .a's don't work? lemme check.. |
| 00:10:28 | kend-static | woah, didn't get a .o file |
| 00:10:31 | Narrowmind | bah.. i cant loose my styles.. the linksys card locks it in place |
| 00:10:42 | NeoTron | they seem to work fine |
| 00:10:51 | kend-static | i borked something |
| 00:11:06 | kend-static | /usr/local/arm/bin/arm-linux-gcc -Wall -Wno-long-long -pedantic -ansi -O2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -D__SOUND -DDATA_PREFIX=\"/opt/QtPalmtop/share/vectoroids/\" -DJOY_NO -DEMBEDDED -c -o vectoroids.o vectoroids.c |
| 00:11:08 | kend-static | that's my compile line |
| 00:11:27 | kend-static | woah hey |
| 00:11:37 | kend-static | oh no, that looks ok |
| 00:11:37 | NeoTron | btw, you can't use -static I'd say, but just add /foo/bar/libSDL.a etc to the command line |
| 00:11:44 | kend-static | it dies THERE now |
| 00:11:47 | kend-static | neo - i'll try |
| 00:12:09 | kend-static | woah - doorbell! brbr |
| 00:12:32 | Narrowmind | is there a faq or something about how the apps (media player) get a file list ? |
| 00:15:52 | tux_mike | bah. i hope sharp makes stylii avalable! i officially lost mi9ne |
| 00:16:25 | bewmIES | make[2]: /usr/src/zaurus/CVSWORK/buildroot-oz/configs/libjpeg62.mk: No such file or directory |
| 00:16:55 | bewmIES | fun |
| 00:16:56 | Narrowmind | heh.. how far diffrent are they from palm/visor styli.. |
| 00:18:38 | NeoTron | tux_mike: ah, another one bites the dust |
| 00:19:12 | bewmIES | kergoth: missing \ line 15 jffsimage.mk |
| 00:19:13 | bewmIES | (also) |
| 00:19:20 | bewmIES | The other was obviously a typo in openzaurus.mk :) |
| 00:20:04 | kergoth | actually it wasnt. i renamed that package for compatibility with debian/familiar |
| 00:20:08 | bewmIES | ahh, you got the jffs one |
| 00:20:09 | kergoth | and forgot to commit the rm/add |
| 00:20:09 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:20:14 | Narrowmind | ahhh comitted code that has never been tested |
| 00:20:14 | bewmIES | heh |
| 00:20:17 | bewmIES | So they're all in now? |
| 00:20:19 | kergoth | k i committed the changed libjpeg |
| 00:20:20 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:20:21 | bewmIES | GOnna clean and build one more time |
| 00:20:36 | bewmIES | cool |
| 00:20:41 | kergoth | decided to add libjpeg so we'd have it for the qt/e compile (-system-jpeg) |
| 00:20:44 | kergoth | afk |
| 00:20:52 | tux_mike | NeoTron: you lost yours too? |
| 00:20:56 | bewmIES | Yeah, plus konq needs it |
| 00:21:05 | NeoTron | tux_mike: yes, after like 2 days or so |
| 00:21:09 | bewmIES | (And it wasn't in the 3.0 feed last I checked) |
| 00:21:47 | tux_mike | NeoTron: ouch. at least mine has stayed with me since december. |
| 00:22:04 | tux_mike | now i have to use the red pagemart stylus that i can't seem to loose |
| 00:22:05 | NeoTron | using a visor edge stylus now |
| 00:22:20 | NeoTron | it doesn't fit right however |
| 00:22:35 | tux_mike | mine is a palm pilot personal stylus. only one i have around :) |
| 00:22:44 | Narrowmind | bah.. i need a drimel to *fix* this wireless card |
| 00:22:52 | kergoth | bewmIES: fyi you can update everything from ipks.. no need for further flashes. i fixed the bugs in the buildsystem, built ipks, and updated my unit.. worked flawless |
| 00:22:55 | kergoth | k i need food |
| 00:23:05 | tux_mike | it fits in the slot, but sticks out a quarter inch |
| 00:23:52 | NeoTron | ok, they say you should exit your app by using close() in the main window. well. that doesn't work for me |
| 00:24:29 | kend-static | back |
| 00:25:03 | bewmIES | That's cool |
| 00:25:13 | ljp-- | ughhh "Gtk# 0.1 released " |
| 00:25:19 | bewmIES | Except for kernel changes, of course :) |
| 00:25:30 | bewmIES | hah, where is that ljp? |
| 00:25:35 | ljp-- | Neo: try exit(0) |
| 00:25:44 | ljp-- | linuxdevices |
| 00:25:51 | Narrowmind | heh.. and hailstorm is dead.. good timing |
| 00:25:57 | NeoTron | ljp--: right. that works. however then ungrabKeyboard or what not does NOT work |
| 00:25:59 | kend-static | hah |
| 00:26:37 | Narrowmind | heh..exit |
| 00:26:48 | ljp-- | ungrabKeyboard doesnt work right anyway |
| 00:27:37 | kend-static | ok damnit |
| 00:27:38 | kend-static | what did i break?! |
| 00:27:47 | Narrowmind | kill(getpid(),sigbus) |
| 00:27:50 | NeoTron | ljp--: but it does, at least using a trick |
| 00:28:05 | kend-static | /usr/local/arm/bin/arm-linux-gcc -Wall -Wno-long-long -pedantic -ansi -O2 -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -D__SOUND -DDATA_PREFIX=\"/opt/QtPalmtop/share/vectoroids/\" -DJOY_NO -DEMBEDDED -c -o vectoroids.o vectoroids.c |
| 00:28:08 | NeoTron | QCopEnvelope e("QPE/System", "grabKeyboard(QString)" ); |
| 00:28:08 | NeoTron | e << ""; |
| 00:28:13 | kend-static | cpp: -lang-c: linker input file unused since linking not done |
| 00:28:39 | kend-static | wtf did i do!/ |
| 00:28:56 | Com[Plex | is oz3 ouit yet? :> |
| 00:28:59 | NeoTron | ah, got a solution which seems to work |
| 00:29:02 | Com[Plex | still beta2? |
| 00:29:14 | kend-static | see topic: "OZ3 highly beta!!! out" |
| 00:29:20 | Com[Plex | hey msmax: you around? |
| 00:29:25 | Narrowmind | did you supply -c along with .a ?? |
| 00:29:35 | kend-static | me? |
| 00:29:36 | NeoTron | yay! |
| 00:29:53 | Narrowmind | kend : ya |
| 00:29:54 | kend-static | i even moved the .a files out of /usr/local/arm/libs |
| 00:30:40 | kend-static | i'm just trying to get it to build, period, now |
| 00:30:44 | kend-static | not statically... |
| 00:31:21 | kend-static | /usr/local/arm/bin/arm-linux-gcc vectoroids.c -c -I/usr/include/SDL |
| 00:31:21 | kend-static | cpp: -lang-c: linker input file unused since linking not done |
| 00:31:21 | kend-static | arm-linux-gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1': No such file or directory |
| 00:32:20 | kend-static | i seriously broke something somewhere.. madbomber won't xcompile now, either! |
| 00:32:26 | ljp-- | NeoTron: if you open a messagebox or anyother window when your app is in the grabbed state, when you close it, ungrabKeyboard will not work. Not even if you call it |
| 00:32:51 | NeoTron | ljp--: actually, it works when I do that QCopEnvelope |
| 00:32:59 | tux_mike | kend; looks like your toolchain blew up. how odd. it also seems odd that cpp is giving you that error |
| 00:33:06 | NeoTron | however it doesn't seem to work if I try to do it while my app is running |
| 00:33:08 | kend-static | yeah - i didnt TOUCH my toolchain! |
| 00:33:12 | tux_mike | kend-static: try making a hello.c and compile |
| 00:33:58 | kend-static | /usr/local/arm/bin/arm-linux-gcc hello.c -o hello |
| 00:33:59 | kend-static | cpp: -lang-c: linker input file unused since linking not done |
| 00:33:59 | kend-static | arm-linux-gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1': No such file or directory |
| 00:34:07 | NeoTron | it works in a flaky manner, I suppose. I'll leave it as it is for now |
| 00:34:28 | kergoth`food | kend-static: heh. i dont trust the trolltech toolchain |
| 00:34:35 | kend-static | it worked FINE |
| 00:34:39 | kend-static | what happened!?!? |
| 00:34:40 | tux_mike | kend-static: i was getting that on an m68k toolchain. |
| 00:34:42 | kergoth | lol.. |
| 00:34:46 | kergoth | i trust the lineo toolchain |
| 00:34:48 | kend-static | maybe my pc is hot :) |
| 00:34:50 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:35:32 | kend-static | wtf wtf WTF |
| 00:35:37 | bewmIES | Does ipkg haev anything like apt's "upgrade"/ |
| 00:35:45 | bewmIES | (or dist-upgrade for that matter) |
| 00:35:46 | roge99 | hey kergoth |
| 00:36:08 | roge99 | did ya finish beta 3 ? |
| 00:36:08 | kergoth | hey roge99 |
| 00:36:15 | kergoth | bewmIES: yes. ipkg update && ipkg upgrade |
| 00:36:23 | kergoth | roge99: nope, havent had much time to work on it |
| 00:36:25 | bewmIES | Cool |
| 00:36:36 | bewmIES | So then I could just make a local feed and upgrade whenever I make a new build? |
| 00:36:39 | kergoth | ugh ive got a horrid headache |
| 00:36:41 | kergoth | bewmIES: precisely |
| 00:36:50 | bewmIES | kickass |
| 00:36:58 | roge99 | kergoth: did you get wlan done ? |
| 00:36:59 | bewmIES | If I'm ever in MN I owe you a lot of alcohol. |
| 00:37:00 | NeoTron | doh! |
| 00:37:02 | kergoth | yeah, a lot easier than reflashing over and over |
| 00:37:05 | kend-static | OH SHIT |
| 00:37:08 | kend-static | SHIT SHIT SHIIIT |
| 00:37:11 | kend-static | drw-r--r-- 4 root root 8192 Apr 13 17:31 lib |
| 00:37:12 | kergoth | roge99: nah, working on fs kinks first |
| 00:37:12 | kend-static | HAHAHAHA |
| 00:37:18 | kergoth | kend-static: ahaha |
| 00:37:18 | roge99 | ahhh |
| 00:37:20 | kergoth | kend-static: doh |
| 00:37:21 | kend-static | stupid tab completion! |
| 00:37:23 | kend-static | hahahahahahaahahahah |
| 00:37:24 | kend-static | WHEW! |
| 00:37:31 | NeoTron | The reason for not using qApp->quit() was that the app then gets into the "relaunces automatically" state |
| 00:37:35 | kend-static | voila! |
| 00:37:36 | kend-static | FINALLY |
| 00:37:42 | roge99 | have a beer ( it will help w/ the headache ) |
| 00:37:44 | tux_mike | kend-static: what was wrong? |
| 00:37:55 | kergoth | roge99: thats an idea.. |
| 00:37:58 | bewmIES | roge: That only works if you're hungover |
| 00:37:58 | bewmIES | :) |
| 00:38:02 | Narrowmind | bah.. we need someway to disable to turn off powersaving while running on ac |
| 00:38:05 | bewmIES | (give your body what it wants) |
| 00:38:12 | tux_mike | i need some mike's. |
| 00:38:21 | roge99 | bewmIES: you dont have kids do you |
| 00:38:24 | NeoTron | ah, there it works |
| 00:38:29 | bewmIES | not yet, at least none that I know of :) |
| 00:38:37 | kend-static | tux - i had went to chmod the .a files neo sent me |
| 00:38:38 | bewmIES | phears the day he gets that call |
| 00:38:43 | kend-static | but i chmod 644'd the directory (lib) instead! |
| 00:38:50 | tux_mike | doh! |
| 00:39:00 | kend-static | how do i link SDL statically, but not QPE? |
| 00:39:09 | tux_mike | maybe that's why my m68k toolchain is borked. |
| 00:39:14 | bewmIES | kendric: So what exactly is needed to get wlan working in oZ? |
| 00:39:17 | kergoth | kend-static: just add the libsdl .a to the link line |
| 00:39:32 | bewmIES | gah |
| 00:39:32 | kergoth | bewmIES: all we need to do is add it to the buildsystem, afaik |
| 00:39:33 | tux_mike | fsck it now, i'm gonna co opie and run.... my friend has booze :) |
| 00:39:33 | kend-static | kergoth: giv eme an example |
| 00:39:35 | bewmIES | I did it again |
| 00:39:47 | kergoth | rm -rf sources? |
| 00:39:47 | kend-static | change -lSDL to -lSDL.a ?? |
| 00:39:47 | bewmIES | Yes but what, the kernel stuff or the userlane stuff? |
| 00:39:51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:39:51 | bewmIES | No |
| 00:39:55 | bewmIES | I called you kendrick :) |
| 00:39:56 | kergoth | bewmIES: both |
| 00:39:59 | kergoth | ah :- |
| 00:40:01 | kergoth | ) |
| 00:40:14 | kend-static | oooh! i know :) |
| 00:40:15 | kend-static | hehhe |
| 00:40:16 | bewmIES | Cool, maybe I'll loko at that tonight so I don't need to run cat5 to bed. |
| 00:40:17 | kergoth | bewmIES: someone tried to build latest wlan-ng, but it bus errors in the userland apps |
| 00:40:25 | bewmIES | hmm |
| 00:40:31 | kergoth | bewmIES: afaik, the previous rev works |
| 00:40:47 | kergoth | bewmIES: we could always use the sources sharp gave out, but they're lacking hte features of newer versions |
| 00:40:57 | bewmIES | What kind of features? |
| 00:40:57 | kergoth | bewmIES: we could do it just to get wlan up though |
| 00:41:19 | kergoth | bewmIES: actually i dont knkow. most of this is info i've assembled, not gathered firsthand. i dont have a cf wlan card |
| 00:41:19 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:41:27 | kergoth | mutters about lacking tools for testing |
| 00:41:33 | bewmIES | heh |
| 00:41:42 | kend-static | fuck! |
| 00:41:45 | tux_mike | kerny|home: who's idea was it to put qmame in opie? |
| 00:41:48 | tux_mike | kergoth |
| 00:41:49 | bewmIES | Well the Sharp stuff works just fine for me. I do not believe in the "newer is better" argument. |
| 00:41:52 | Narrowmind | im using a cf wlan card now |
| 00:41:56 | kergoth | tux_mike: catalin committed it |
| 00:41:59 | kend-static | ok, i changed it from "-lSDL" to "/usr/local/arm/lib/libSDL.a" |
| 00:42:00 | kergoth | tux_mike: he has write access |
| 00:42:02 | bewmIES | Yeah I saw that (qmame in opie) |
| 00:42:07 | tux_mike | kergoth: hrmm... |
| 00:42:16 | kergoth | tux_mike: i dont see it as bad.. but we need a way to check out ONLY core and build that.. |
| 00:42:21 | kend-static | now i'm getting shitloads of "undefined reference to SDL_..." errors |
| 00:42:37 | kend-static | ah... order mattered :) WHEW |
| 00:42:38 | kergoth | tux_mike: but i need to finish revamping the buildsystem and also finishing the core/noncore seperation for that |
| 00:42:41 | tux_mike | with the way mame is, i think we should get the qmame stuff put into the normal xmame sources |
| 00:42:52 | tux_mike | kergoth: this mame will get stale, fast |
| 00:42:55 | kergoth | hehe. it is pretty massive and ugly |
| 00:42:59 | kergoth | that too |
| 00:43:15 | tux_mike | and it makes my co long :) |
| 00:43:15 | kend-static | tuxmath |
| 00:43:20 | kergoth | for the moment, i think its fine though. just suggest to catalin that he push his changes upstream |
| 00:43:20 | kend-static | err.. tux_mike (haha) |
| 00:43:24 | tux_mike | grm? |
| 00:43:31 | tux_mike | yah |
| 00:43:35 | kend-static | what's your email again? |
| 00:43:39 | kergoth | tux_mike: thats why you keep a checkout on every box, and just cvs up periodically. hehe |
| 00:43:43 | tux_mike | mike@tuxnami.org |
| 00:43:55 | kend-static | i'm going to send you a single binary you should be able to drop into /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/ |
| 00:44:18 | tux_mike | kergoth: i think some of the changes confused my cvs... i'm redoing the co, just to make sure. |
| 00:44:24 | kergoth | bewmIES: fyi, i left kernel messages in for the moment for debugging reasons. we can disable kernel message output the way the sharp roms do |
| 00:44:27 | tux_mike | plus the make clean on my existing bombed out |
| 00:44:35 | kend-static | unfortunately, it's like 1.7MB :( |
| 00:44:41 | kergoth | tux_mike: ah.. cvs up -CPdA (-C overwrites locally modified files with cvs versions) |
| 00:44:43 | kergoth | tux_mike: hehe |
| 00:44:48 | tux_mike | kend-static: did you strip it? |
| 00:44:52 | bewmIES | Yeah, debugging is essential now... just wanted to make sure you knew that they were annoying as hell :) |
| 00:44:57 | kend-static | oh shit, no i guess not ;) |
| 00:45:04 | kergoth | oh i know.. i'm using this too remember |
| 00:45:05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:45:17 | tux_mike | kend-static: i'll strip it when it gets here |
| 00:45:27 | kend-static | ok - 400K :) |
| 00:45:30 | kend-static | sending now |
| 00:45:35 | tux_mike | or not :) |
| 00:46:09 | NeoTron | kergoth: got symlinking to work yet? |
| 00:46:31 | kend-static | sent |
| 00:46:38 | kergoth | NeoTron: I dropped that work to reduce code duplication. someone's adding dest functionality + symlinking to qipkg. |
| 00:46:59 | tux_mike | *sigh* i need a 128M cf |
| 00:46:59 | kergoth | NeoTron: I'll grab the parsing code from there when its done and merge into a command line app for dong it |
| 00:47:02 | kergoth | s/dong it/doing it/ |
| 00:47:58 | kend-static | tux - tell me if that works |
| 00:48:02 | kend-static | anyone else - want to test the IPK? |
| 00:49:14 | kend-static | anyone? :) |
| 00:49:16 | kend-static | vectoroids? :) |
| 00:49:43 | bewmIES | hmm, that rm -r should be an rm -rf |
| 00:49:43 | bewmIES | rm: remove write-protected file `/usr/src/zaurus/CVSWORK/buildroot-oz/build/openzaurus_root/sbin/pcinitrd'? |
| 00:49:57 | bewmIES | In jffs2image |
| 00:50:32 | kergoth | k, i'll fix that after i'm done updating opie in the feed |
| 00:50:36 | kergoth | adding qpdf and the like |
| 00:51:06 | tux_mike | well, time to copy everything but qmame to cf |
| 00:51:17 | bewmIES | About to flash |
| 00:51:21 | kend-static | tux - can you test that bin for me? |
| 00:51:33 | kend-static | is about to uninstall sdl packages from zaurus, to test himself |
| 00:53:01 | kergoth | bewmIES: have you had any problems suspending? |
| 00:53:14 | bewmIES | No, but I could not suspend from console |
| 00:53:14 | kergoth | bewmIES: if i run opie, then terminate, i can no longer suspend with the cancel button for some reason |
| 00:53:18 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:53:19 | bewmIES | yeah |
| 00:53:25 | kergoth | mine suspends from console only if i boot directly into it |
| 00:53:33 | bewmIES | same here |
| 00:53:36 | bewmIES | Actualy no |
| 00:53:37 | kend-static | how do you get stuff listed under MyZaurus.com on handango? |
| 00:53:38 | kergoth | i think opie is changing something and not putting it back the way it shouldve been |
| 00:53:40 | kergoth | really? |
| 00:53:41 | bewmIES | I can _never_ suspend to console |
| 00:53:43 | kergoth | hmm |
| 00:53:44 | kergoth | odd |
| 00:53:47 | bewmIES | s/to/from/ |
| 00:53:47 | roge99 | same here kerf |
| 00:53:49 | kergoth | ill dig into it later |
| 00:53:55 | bewmIES | I'll test it again this round |
| 00:53:56 | roge99 | kergoth even |
| 00:54:31 | NeoTron | I can't understand how you can think that the Qtopia GUI is complicated |
| 00:54:42 | NeoTron | and sure the buttons are small, but that's what the Cancel/Ok buttons are for |
| 00:54:48 | kend-static | w00t! |
| 00:56:39 | kergoth | bewmIES: fixed that really annoying sdmon depending on qpe-base prob |
| 00:57:00 | kergoth | bewmIES: I'll fix the depending on qpe2uschedule too, thats wrong for the Z |
| 00:57:07 | kergoth | bewmIES: for the packages in the feed i mean |
| 00:57:11 | kergoth | brb |
| 00:58:01 | kend-static | http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/vectoroids/ |
| 00:58:15 | tux_mike | kend-static: little choppy, but cool |
| 00:58:17 | kergoth | if ( !settings->servers->isSelected(i) ) |
| 00:58:17 | kergoth | s << "#"; |
| 00:58:27 | kergoth | i should remove that |
| 00:58:35 | kergoth | damn feed commenting when unselected |
| 00:59:27 | bewmIES | :) |
| 00:59:36 | kergoth | k, fixed that in opie cvs |
| 00:59:39 | bewmIES | yay |
| 00:59:48 | bewmIES | That has been my biggest long-standing Qpe annoyance |
| 01:03:09 | bewmIES | There is no feeds/3.0/Packages file, I assume you're still updating? |
| 01:03:15 | kergoth | yup |
| 01:03:25 | bewmIES | gonna go eat, just give a shout when you're done :) |
| 01:03:32 | kergoth | will do |
| 01:06:24 | kend-static | ok - im off to eat |
| 01:06:27 | kend-static | enjoy vectoroids! :) |
| 01:07:28 | roge99 | hey kergoth did you ever figure out why the console dosent work in opie |
| 01:07:48 | kergoth | nah havent had the time to debug |
| 01:07:55 | kergoth | working on fs bugs |
| 01:17:24 | Hellaenergy | Where can a brother get OZ3? |
| 01:17:33 | kergoth | in my mind |
| 01:17:37 | kergoth | i'm not done yet :-P |
| 01:17:46 | Hellaenergy | beta 3 |
| 01:17:50 | Hellaenergy | ? |
| 01:17:55 | kergoth | im gonna do a quick test of the current initrd.. if it works, ill upload |
| 01:18:00 | kergoth | ipkg install to cf/sd/mtdram doesnt work yet |
| 01:18:03 | kergoth | and wlan isnt in yet |
| 01:18:07 | kergoth | brb |
| 01:18:35 | Hellaenergy | roge99: Are you in? |
| 01:18:52 | roge99 | yea |
| 01:18:57 | roge99 | sup Hellaenergy |
| 01:49:12 | antlarr | good night |
| 01:51:48 | bewmIES | awhee |
| 01:55:57 | keith | anyone have trouble with Qtopiadeskop timing out on connecting with a linux box? |
| 02:24:08 | kergoth | i just built a beta 3 initrd with opie in it.. |
| 02:24:16 | kergoth | i'm about to test for functionality off the bat with no tweaks |
| 02:24:27 | kergoth | bewmIES: rev 3 of the opie-base package is in the feed without nice. hehe |
| 02:26:31 | bewmIES | odd |
| 02:26:33 | bewmIES | It can't find libjpeg |
| 02:26:36 | bewmIES | And it's installed |
| 02:26:49 | kergoth | hmmm.. |
| 02:26:58 | kergoth | thats odd |
| 02:27:02 | bewmIES | rebooting |
| 02:27:04 | bewmIES | It is odd |
| 02:27:11 | bewmIES | No ldconfig |
| 02:27:34 | kergoth | libjpeg is in /usr/lib/ right? |
| 02:27:59 | kergoth | actually, try adding /usr/lib to the LD_LIBRARY_PATH line in the qpe startup script.. ? hmm |
| 02:28:03 | kergoth | yawns |
| 02:28:16 | bewmIES | Mounting /dev/mtdblock4 on / filaed: No suck file or directory |
| 02:28:23 | bewmIES | Mounting /dev/mtdblock5 on /usr/local filaed: No suck file or directory |
| 02:28:33 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 02:29:33 | kergoth | man im just screwing up all over the place. arent you glad this is just cvs |
| 02:29:37 | kergoth | smacks forehead |
| 02:29:45 | bewmIES | :() |
| 02:29:57 | kergoth | bewmIES: i had to remove the .dev tar and let mkfs.jffs2 create the entire dev area to make it easier |
| 02:30:02 | bewmIES | This is why Sharp should be more public :) |
| 02:30:04 | kergoth | bewmIES: but apparently some got left out |
| 02:30:05 | kergoth | yeah no shit |
| 02:30:13 | kergoth | oh well, hold i'll fix the dev table |
| 02:30:38 | bewmIES | gonan reflash again one more time |
| 02:30:48 | bewmIES | Don't ask why :) |
| 02:33:57 | kergoth | hey this is better |
| 02:33:58 | kergoth | ~/buildsystem/buildroot-oz$ jffs2reader build/openzaurus/initrd.bin | grep mtdblock4 |
| 02:33:58 | kergoth | brw-r----- 1 0 0 31, 4 Apr 13 20:36 /dev/mtdblock4 |
| 02:34:46 | kergoth | bewmIES: committed the dev table fix.. no more wasted time extracting devices and shit |
| 02:34:48 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:34:55 | keith | so is anyone using qtopiadesktop regularly on Linux? |
| 02:35:18 | ljp-- | me |
| 02:36:30 | kergoth | any kernel change requests for beta3? |
| 02:36:35 | kergoth | i'm about to start rebuilding all 4 |
| 02:36:52 | kergoth | disabling mtd debugging, and disabling kernel messages (there's always dmesg).. |
| 02:37:46 | keith | ljp--: ever have connection troubles? |
| 02:39:28 | kergoth | bewmIES: updated oz-base in the feed that removed .dev_default.tar .. forgot to remove after disabling extraction and improving the dev table |
| 02:40:26 | ljp-- | ya sometimes it'll brok because at startup, it sometimes wants to sync all. I have to Cancel on the Z, and sync them one by one. Sync all crashes |
| 02:40:52 | ljp-- | kergoth: have you initrd.bin yet? |
| 02:41:39 | keith | ljp--: cool thanks, I am having trouble even getting the program to startup correctly it just stalls out, I did have it set up before :( |
| 02:42:00 | kergoth | ljp--: yeah i do, i'm about to flash it and see if it works fine out of the box |
| 02:43:53 | ljp-- | keith: have you run in from a term? |
| 02:43:58 | keith | yeah |
| 02:44:11 | ljp-- | kergoth: you have room for emacs? :) |
| 02:44:15 | kergoth | hah |
| 02:44:18 | kergoth | install it yourself ;-) |
| 02:44:21 | kergoth | its writable root damnit |
| 02:44:40 | kergoth | ljp--: did you see vogtp's qipkg changes for symlinking and dest's? |
| 02:44:48 | keith | ljp--:PalmtopConnection::connectionTimeout ping received |
| 02:44:49 | ljp-- | not yet |
| 02:44:55 | kergoth | ljp--: will save me some work for oz.. |
| 02:44:57 | kergoth | ljp--: heh |
| 02:46:52 | ljp-- | keith: sometimes after I put the Z on the cradle, I have to hit the sync button to get it to register itself, then I can run ifconfig |
| 02:47:21 | keith | ok |
| 02:47:24 | keith | i'll try that |
| 02:49:03 | Com[Plex | hey, is the source code for qasteroids openly available? |
| 02:49:12 | kergoth | Com[Plex: qpe.sourceforge.net |
| 02:49:18 | kergoth | Com[Plex: its in their cvs repository |
| 02:49:27 | keith | man this software sucks |
| 02:49:45 | Com[Plex | cvs.. there an easy link to that? |
| 02:49:48 | keith | (sorry for the negative-ness I am just really tired ;)) |
| 02:50:01 | Com[Plex | got it |
| 02:50:01 | kergoth | Com[Plex: http://sourceforge.net/projects/qpe/ |
| 02:50:17 | kergoth | keith: np a lot of people get negative when playing with qtopia desktop. heheh |
| 02:50:24 | Com[Plex | heres my problem, I have downloaded the source, but I cant seem to find the qasteroids stuff. |
| 02:50:36 | kergoth | qpe/qasteroids/ |
| 02:50:45 | Com[Plex | that simple huh? |
| 02:50:48 | kergoth | that simple |
| 02:50:51 | kergoth | its in opie cvs as well |
| 02:51:00 | kergoth | we havent messed with it, so its basically the same |
| 02:51:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:51:30 | kergoth | bewmIES: fyi i fixed the packaging conflict between the opie filebrowser and qpe-pics.. filebrowser should go in clean now |
| 02:51:32 | Com[Plex | okay. - this qpe source here, is this the source for the Zs rom? - or is this source for it all, and the Zs rom is just compiled based on thsi? |
| 02:51:50 | Com[Plex | -I dont program, so im basically an idiot with this |
| 02:51:59 | kergoth | the z's rom is based on that.. but lineo did a lot of fixes for sharp and didnt release the code to said fixes |
| 02:52:09 | Com[Plex | oh wonderful |
| 02:52:18 | kergoth | so qtopia cvs is behind.. and yet sharp roms are behind as well in some ways, because they arent incorporating fixes that were merged into qtopia cvs either |
| 02:52:18 | Com[Plex | no way to download the lineo source? |
| 02:52:25 | kergoth | nope, they never made it available |
| 02:52:34 | Com[Plex | will they?\ |
| 02:52:37 | kergoth | no idea |
| 02:52:40 | Com[Plex | or are they playing some kind of game? |
| 02:52:43 | kergoth | they dont have to legally |
| 02:52:48 | kergoth | we've been bitching about it for a while |
| 02:52:50 | Com[Plex | so much for opensource |
| 02:52:55 | BZFlag | Com[Plex: source for what? (/me works at lineo) |
| 02:52:56 | kergoth | qpe is dual licensed |
| 02:52:59 | Com[Plex | right |
| 02:53:07 | kergoth | BZFlag: the qtopia codebase |
| 02:53:13 | keith | can someone tell me what line to edit in the palmtoprc file to change the default IP? |
| 02:53:27 | BZFlag | lineo and sharp have both done enhancements to the qtopia source base. |
| 02:53:37 | kergoth | well then i blame you both :-P |
| 02:53:38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:53:50 | BZFlag | most all of it has been released back to trolltech, but not integrated into an official release to date. |
| 02:53:58 | kergoth | mutters |
| 02:54:25 | Com[Plex | any chance lineo wuill just release it to public? |
| 02:54:29 | BZFlag | I personally am pushing for sharp to sign off on a release of the current source. |
| 02:54:29 | Com[Plex | or even, just to a few of us? |
| 02:54:39 | kergoth | any idea why the fixes to qtopia cvs havent been merged into the qtopia on the Z either? (e.g. the ungrabkeyboard bug) .. seems like someone is dropping the ball somewhere |
| 02:54:50 | BZFlag | the pda I'm working on at Lineo will include all source that can be release with each and every developer release. |
| 02:54:53 | Com[Plex | source for the Z, - IE, how can I take the sources avcailable, and compile it to be exact6ly like the exsisting rom |
| 02:55:11 | BZFlag | as the zaurus releases should have. |
| 02:55:14 | kergoth | indeed |
| 02:55:39 | Com[Plex | ungrab keybard bug.. is that where after you type a few sentences on the onboard keybvoard, it shits itself? |
| 02:55:42 | kergoth | ah well, i'll just use oz + opie and hope things get worked out |
| 02:56:03 | BZFlag | I've talked to sharp until I'm blue in the face about the requirements o the GPL. but alas. old dogs, new tricks, you know. |
| 02:56:06 | kergoth | Com[Plex: nah.. its related to when an app grabs control of the keybard.. getting that released |
| 02:56:16 | Com[Plex | ah |
| 02:56:17 | kergoth | BZFlag: yep i know.. a lot of companies dont seem to get the whole gpl thing |
| 02:56:29 | BZFlag | however qtopia licensing is totally unclear (at least to me) if we can even release out source. |
| 02:56:31 | kergoth | its a different mentally compared to what they're used to |
| 02:56:58 | BZFlag | as the Z version of qtopia is NOT GPLed, it's licenced commercially from trolltech. |
| 02:57:10 | Com[Plex | anyone ehre ever play the asteroids game? |
| 02:57:25 | Hellaenergy | ya |
| 02:57:40 | Com[Plex | how do you operate thde shield? |
| 02:57:48 | kergoth | we really need high scores in all the games |
| 02:57:52 | Hellaenergy | That is a mistery to me too |
| 02:57:54 | kergoth | thatd make them worth playing |
| 02:57:56 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:57:57 | Com[Plex | yeah, and a friggin pause bitton |
| 02:58:01 | kergoth | that too |
| 02:58:02 | BZFlag | however my point with the handheld project I'm leading is that we can release the normal GPLed version and our changes as a patch to the GPLed release. our non-free version can just happen to be exactly the same. ;-) |
| 02:58:16 | kergoth | BZFlag: hah :-) |
| 02:58:38 | BZFlag | well gotta run and put Henry to bed before he start typing here. ;-) cya |
| 02:58:47 | kergoth | cool, ttyl |
| 02:59:19 | Com[Plex | I found it! |
| 02:59:20 | Com[Plex | actions.insert( Qt::Key_Up, Thrust ); |
| 02:59:20 | Com[Plex | actions.insert( Qt::Key_Left, RotateLeft ); |
| 02:59:20 | Com[Plex | actions.insert( Qt::Key_Right, RotateRight ); |
| 02:59:20 | Com[Plex | actions.insert( Qt::Key_Enter, Shoot ); |
| 02:59:20 | Com[Plex | actions.insert( Qt::Key_Z, Teleport ); |
| 02:59:24 | Com[Plex | Z for teleport |
| 02:59:30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:59:35 | Com[Plex | actions.insert( Qt::Key_Down, Brake ); |
| 02:59:35 | Com[Plex | actions.insert( Qt::Key_P, Pause ); |
| 02:59:36 | Com[Plex | actions.insert( Key_F12, Launch ); |
| 02:59:36 | Com[Plex | actions.insert( Key_F11, Shield ); |
| 02:59:39 | Com[Plex | f11 sheild |
| 02:59:41 | Com[Plex | uh... |
| 02:59:44 | Com[Plex | whats f 11? |
| 03:00:07 | Com[Plex | if home is launch, f11 might be address? |
| 03:00:35 | Com[Plex | Key_F9, NewGame ); |
| 03:00:39 | kergoth | ljp--: tisk tisk |
| 03:00:48 | kergoth | ljp--: dont put pngs in the root of pics/! |
| 03:01:00 | Com[Plex | // actions.insert( Qt::Key_S, Shield ); is this commented out? |
| 03:01:19 | kergoth | ljp--: Installing opie-appskey (1.5.0-20020413) .. ERROR: Package opie-appskey wants to install file /home/kergoth/buildsystem/buildroot-oz/build/openzaurus_root//opt/QtPalmtop/pics/CustomizeKeys.png But that file is already provided by package qpe-pics |
| 03:01:36 | keith | ok |
| 03:01:36 | keith | figured it out |
| 03:01:36 | keith | Qtopiadesktop needs to be run in its own directory for some reason |
| 03:04:02 | Com[Plex | im gonna re program asteroids. you watch |
| 03:04:05 | ljp-- | I thought you got rid of pics package? |
| 03:05:10 | kergoth | ljp--: it exists because some apps use those global images, and they're available in qtopia, so must be made available for compatibility reasons |
| 03:05:33 | kergoth | ljp--: I'm going to change the Files: pics/??*.* to an actual list of files that qtopia has in theirs |
| 03:05:51 | kergoth | ljp--: but still, it violates our policy to put pics in the root of pics. pics/appname/ is the appropriate place |
| 03:07:27 | kergoth | looks ike CustomizeKeys.png, qpdf_icon.png, and symlink.png shouldnt be where they are |
| 03:07:28 | ljp-- | ya.. well.. I've always been a rule breaker.. :) |
| 03:07:32 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:07:35 | kergoth | you rebel, you |
| 03:13:08 | riskable | Evening folks |
| 03:13:35 | kergoth | hey |
| 03:13:46 | riskable | How's OZ3 coming along? |
| 03:13:50 | kergoth | getting there |
| 03:13:56 | kergoth | still no beta 3.. reality drags ass |
| 03:14:03 | riskable | hehe |
| 03:14:21 | riskable | PLEASE email me when it's out so I can post the news: YouKnowWho@YouKnowWhat.com |
| 03:15:28 | kergoth | yup i will |
| 03:15:40 | kergoth | ljp--: filebrowser doesnt like me. it doesnt show me symlinks |
| 03:15:44 | kergoth | ljp--: hehe |
| 03:15:46 | kergoth | mutters |
| 03:15:51 | kergoth | ugh ive got such a headache |
| 03:15:51 | kergoth | afk |
| 03:16:44 | ljp-- | heh filebrowser is broked like that. try to delete a directory with it |
| 03:17:32 | ljp-- | ok, now back to figuring out why mediaplayer borks on large videoa files |
| 03:17:58 | kergoth | it deleted a directory just fine on my desktop |
| 03:18:08 | kergoth | and it shows symlinks alright, just not broken ones :-) |
| 03:20:48 | ljp-- | hmmm.. The File manager? |
| 03:21:05 | kergoth | $OPIEDIR/filebrowser |
| 03:23:32 | ljp-- | oohh I was thinking of the Sharp filenrowser.. heh |
| 03:23:57 | kergoth | nah, that one busted pretty bad? |
| 03:25:14 | ljp-- | ya.. |
| 03:25:19 | ljp-- | its useless |
| 03:25:30 | ljp-- | cant delete directories |
| 03:25:35 | kergoth | hah.. |
| 03:26:31 | kergoth | alright time to replace the filebrowser and appkeys packages in the oz3 feed.. so i can actually install them this time |
| 03:26:31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:26:48 | kergoth | i should update the opie ipaq feed for harlekin and the rest |
| 03:28:14 | ljp-- | hehehe ya he wants it bad, eh? |
| 03:28:18 | kergoth | yup |
| 03:29:10 | kergoth | ack.. i hate it when people break cvs compile.. we really need to split off a branch ... one for stability and fixes and one for feature adds.. or something.. |
| 03:30:17 | kergoth | bbiaf |
| 03:30:21 | ljp-- | hmmm |
| 03:32:33 | BZFlag | kergoth: just a autobuild system someplace that reverts any broken patches automatically. ;-) |
| 03:56:10 | riskable | Wow, this mystery "RAID" game is pretty neat |
| 03:58:26 | riskable | Anyone know who made it/makes it? |
| 03:58:29 | riskable | Home page for it? |
| 04:02:46 | riskable | wishes he didn't have to work tomorrow |
| 04:04:33 | scanline | is away: i have no idea why |
| 04:24:51 | riskable | OK, bed time. Cya |
| 04:36:12 | bewmIES | man, it's gonna be a long night |
| 04:37:42 | kergoth | probs? |
| 04:37:59 | bewmIES | No |
| 04:38:04 | bewmIES | I got 22hrs of sleep yesterday :) |
| 04:38:15 | kergoth | ha.. |
| 04:38:16 | bewmIES | Left work at 3, got home at 4 and fell rigth asleep and slept until 2pm today |
| 04:38:17 | kergoth | thatll do it |
| 04:38:22 | bewmIES | Missed three phone calls |
| 04:38:46 | bewmIES | Just watched "The Muskateer", man it was pretty bad |
| 04:39:28 | kergoth | never saw it.. |
| 04:40:27 | bewmIES | don't :) |
| 04:40:38 | kergoth | thanks for the tip |
| 04:41:13 | kergoth | alright those MTD_write's scrolling and scrolling are really getting on my nerves. time to build those kernels |
| 05:28:29 | scanline | is back (gone 01:23:56) |
| 05:42:40 | bewmIES | Looks like somebody upgraded PHP on handhelds.org |
| 05:42:43 | bewmIES | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: dbmopen() in /usr/home/opie/website/html/wiki/wiki_dbmlib.php3 on line 21 |
| 05:43:22 | bewmIES | (I'll bet somebody turned on safe_mode and didn't tell everybody) |
| 05:44:30 | kendrick2 | re |
| 05:44:34 | kendrick2 | anyone tried out vectoroids? :0 |
| 05:44:52 | Com[Plex | can someone tell me, why the fucking keys for Pause, Sheilds, and teleport dont work in qasteroids/ |
| 05:45:16 | kendrick2 | honestly, qasteorids kinda sucks :( |
| 05:45:21 | kendrick2 | i never liked kasteroids, either |
| 05:45:37 | kendrick2 | there was an asteroids game for the mac (NOT maelstrom) which i liked a lot |
| 05:46:35 | Com[Plex | well its on the Z, and it doesnt work. - game plays fine, but for soem reason, key_p key_s f11 and stuff dont seem to work |
| 05:46:39 | kendrick2 | aww.. 0 downloads from handango :( |
| 05:47:08 | kendrick2 | are they not mapped to the app. buttons? |
| 05:47:11 | kendrick2 | that'd be the sensible thing to do |
| 05:47:19 | warmi | ok anyone here still participating in Trolls contest ? |
| 05:47:21 | warmi | :-) |
| 05:47:53 | Com[Plex | im llooking at the source, - I actually got the source so I could TRY to figure out what keys were used for shields and stuff. - I was gonna /try/. to reprogram it to include a pause feature, and foudn that it allready had one. - too bad its BROKEN |
| 05:48:41 | kendrick2 | warmi - nope |
| 05:48:46 | kendrick2 | warmi - btw, puzz-le is cool :) |
| 05:48:49 | kendrick2 | needs more sfx tho! |
| 05:48:52 | kendrick2 | and maybe some tunez :) |
| 05:49:27 | kendrick2 | tried out vectoroids, warmi? |
| 05:49:36 | warmi | where is it ? |
| 05:49:41 | warmi | handango ? |
| 05:49:55 | kendrick2 | there, and www.newbreedsoftware.com |
| 05:50:01 | Com[Plex | could someone tell me if this line looks play?: actions.insert( Qt::Key_Z, Teleport ); |
| 05:50:11 | warmi | kendrick2: as far as sounds effects .. I had bunch of them but found them to be distracting ...:-) |
| 05:50:22 | Com[Plex | is there any reason why "Key_Z" wouldnt work? |
| 05:50:33 | Com[Plex | and where the hell is F11 on the Z? |
| 05:50:42 | kendrick2 | f11 is probably one of the app keys |
| 05:51:13 | Com[Plex | thats what I thought. |
| 05:51:17 | Com[Plex | but it dont work |
| 05:51:24 | Com[Plex | I mean, non of those wokr |
| 05:51:59 | kendrick2 | do you need, like, a 'powerup' to be able to teleport? |
| 05:52:00 | warmi | heh .. F11 is menu |
| 05:52:54 | Com[Plex | yeah? |
| 05:52:59 | Com[Plex | well it doesnt work for a sheild |
| 05:53:13 | kendrick2 | i think you need powerups or something, complex ;) |
| 05:53:16 | kendrick2 | plays |
| 05:53:20 | kendrick2 | ... wonders why asteroids has no sfx |
| 05:53:54 | Com[Plex | I have them |
| 05:54:13 | Com[Plex | I catche the sheild power up and I try to activate it and it doesnt happen |
| 05:55:50 | kendrick2 | indeed |
| 05:56:00 | kendrick2 | (i never played this lame game long enough to catch any powerups ;) ) |
| 05:56:12 | warmi | whoa... vectoroids is hard |
| 05:56:13 | kendrick2 | adds his game to zaurus software index |
| 05:56:20 | kendrick2 | warmi ;) you get used to it ;) |
| 05:56:24 | kendrick2 | look/sound ok? |
| 05:57:00 | warmi | looks ok ... vector drawing seem to occasionally generate slightly broken lines but it looks ok anyway |
| 05:57:15 | kendrick2 | warmi - yeah... it draws pixel at x,y and then a black pixel at x+1,y+1 |
| 05:57:27 | kendrick2 | can cause some angles to break or disappear ;) |
| 05:57:31 | Com[Plex | kendrik, whats your game? |
| 05:57:33 | warmi | breshenam algorith :-) |
| 05:57:38 | kendrick2 | warmi :) |
| 05:57:48 | kendrick2 | com - http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/vectoroids/ |
| 05:57:54 | warmi | is this mod file ?? |
| 05:57:56 | kendrick2 | 3rd place in the SDL game programming contest |
| 05:57:59 | kendrick2 | warmi - yes |
| 05:58:11 | kendrick2 | Based on Agendaroids, an Xlib game I wrote for the Agedna Linux PDA |
| 05:58:27 | kendrick2 | then 'ported' this afternoon to the zaurus ;) |
| 05:58:55 | warmi | man ... these asteroids are just too fast for me :-) |
| 05:59:02 | kendrick2 | sorry warmi ;) |
| 05:59:10 | kendrick2 | what level are you on? |
| 05:59:25 | warmi | just second I believe |
| 05:59:41 | kendrick2 | that mod file is about 117k btw |
| 05:59:54 | warmi | kendrick2: are using neo port of SDL ? |
| 05:59:56 | kendrick2 | crud.. batts are low.. |
| 05:59:58 | kendrick2 | warmi - yeah |
| 06:00:02 | kendrick2 | statically linked |
| 06:00:06 | kendrick2 | i should send him beer or something :) |
| 06:00:09 | warmi | yor sound and mods sounds great together |
| 06:00:14 | kendrick2 | thx :) |
| 06:00:34 | warmi | his eligo exibits all kinds of strange noise "effects" when playing sounds fx and music |
| 06:00:34 | kendrick2 | the asteroid explosions are based on two 'large gun' (like, WWII huge-ass guns) samples i found |
| 06:00:56 | warmi | your stuff seems to be way smoother |
| 06:01:00 | kendrick2 | warmi - huh... i didnt notice too much. it gets a little slow sometimes. could be the Z being 'busy', or could be all that alphablending he does :) |
| 06:01:12 | kendrick2 | SA is top-notch... neo does good work |
| 06:01:19 | kendrick2 | anyone here tried "RAID", that full-on 3D polygon game? |
| 06:01:28 | kendrick2 | it's really cool, pretty smooth, but hard (and boring) as hell |
| 06:01:35 | kendrick2 | (it's up on myzaurus.com) |
| 06:01:36 | Com[Plex | hard? |
| 06:01:41 | warmi | is it in java ? |
| 06:01:42 | Com[Plex | I beat it in 60 seconds |
| 06:01:51 | kendrick2 | complex - well, hard to control, therefore frustrating |
| 06:01:56 | kendrick2 | yeah, it's easy to 'beat' |
| 06:02:01 | kendrick2 | just avoid getting shot :) |
| 06:02:08 | kendrick2 | i guess.. it's not "fun" :0 |
| 06:02:12 | Com[Plex | it was easy to control. just fly low, and go up when getting shot at. |
| 06:02:18 | Com[Plex | or when attacking something above |
| 06:02:29 | kendrick2 | complex - i can't aim :^/ seems sluggish |
| 06:02:29 | Com[Plex | it was pretty fuin tho |
| 06:02:39 | Com[Plex | lead things :> |
| 06:02:39 | kendrick2 | like, it's fast and smoothly animated, but movement isn't done very well |
| 06:02:43 | Com[Plex | right |
| 06:02:53 | Com[Plex | it is a good first step in the right directuion |
| 06:02:58 | kendrick2 | totally |
| 06:03:13 | kendrick2 | it kills your panel buttons tho :) need to Restart Qtopia to get them back ;) |
| 06:03:15 | Com[Plex | tell ya what Id like to play, - LifeForce, the old nokami game from 15 years ago.. |
| 06:03:35 | warmi | man... I like this mod from vectoroids |
| 06:03:35 | Com[Plex | I dint have any prbs with it, but I only played it once :> |
| 06:04:04 | warmi | it fits perfectly mood of the game |
| 06:04:05 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:04:19 | Com[Plex | installing vectroids now |
| 06:05:08 | kendrick2 | warmi ;) |
| 06:05:18 | Com[Plex | wtf |
| 06:05:20 | kendrick2 | com - yeah, i bought that for my NES recently |
| 06:05:25 | kendrick2 | i need to get the Gradius CD for PS2 |
| 06:05:41 | kendrick2 | lemme know what you think, complex |
| 06:06:23 | Com[Plex | got a problem |
| 06:06:31 | kendrick2 | what's wrong |
| 06:06:32 | Com[Plex | my zaurus coudlnt see the packagte |
| 06:06:39 | kendrick2 | uhhh |
| 06:06:41 | kendrick2 | how did you download it? |
| 06:06:50 | Com[Plex | - it ses the file, but when I try to install it, it actas like theres nothign in it |
| 06:07:03 | kendrick2 | not sure what you mean? |
| 06:07:06 | kendrick2 | Add/Remove app, right? |
| 06:07:16 | kendrick2 | did you dl to pc? |
| 06:07:16 | Com[Plex | - clicked link on webpage, copied to CF through nmy reader, hang on, trying again |
| 06:07:20 | kendrick2 | if so, what browser? |
| 06:07:24 | Com[Plex | ie |
| 06:07:27 | kendrick2 | shift-click to download |
| 06:07:34 | kendrick2 | ugh.. ie's a piece of festering crap |
| 06:07:35 | Com[Plex | im not a mac user |
| 06:07:50 | kendrick2 | i seriously hate that piece of shit |
| 06:07:53 | Com[Plex | hey, your opinions wont reflect my choice of browser |
| 06:08:03 | kendrick2 | it's so loaded with bugs, but everyone goes "OOOh, but it's the best browser out there!" |
| 06:08:04 | kendrick2 | sorry ;) |
| 06:08:11 | kendrick2 | i just have issues dealing with it when i make websites |
| 06:08:18 | kendrick2 | completely ass-retarded bugs and so forth |
| 06:08:20 | Com[Plex | i hear that |
| 06:08:44 | Com[Plex | okay, vectroids is on my CF card |
| 06:08:51 | kendrick2 | it's not that it has weird, non-standard features... i never use junk like that anyway... i mean, it can't do stuff LYNX can do, cuz it's buggy :) |
| 06:09:25 | kendrick2 | md5sum of the IPK should be: aa2e19a85579ed842626e457d216cf41 |
| 06:09:26 | Com[Plex | then, I click on my documents tab and scroll to the bottom where the vectroids file it, and double tap it. it comes up with the package installer, and shows me no packages available for install |
| 06:09:35 | Com[Plex | IM gonna try re downloading it |
| 06:09:42 | warmi | I had no problems |
| 06:09:44 | kendrick2 | run "md5sum /mnt/cf/vector*" |
| 06:09:51 | kendrick2 | (on the zaurus itself) |
| 06:10:00 | warmi | it must be getting corrupted during transfer |
| 06:10:16 | kendrick2 | yeah, ipkg seems to examine stuff when it decides what it should show you |
| 06:10:27 | kendrick2 | err.. add/remove apps, that is (qipkg, is that what it's called?) |
| 06:10:34 | kendrick2 | (or qinstall or something) |
| 06:10:59 | Com[Plex | long assed number |
| 06:11:11 | kendrick2 | does it start with "aa2e" and end with "cf41"? :) |
| 06:11:29 | Com[Plex | no |
| 06:11:36 | kendrick2 | and is it exactly 516,700 bytes long? :) |
| 06:11:39 | Com[Plex | it says "bnot in gzip format " when I try to install from command line |
| 06:11:43 | kendrick2 | complex - use something else to download it, sorry |
| 06:11:52 | Com[Plex | its 504. thats a lame excuse |
| 06:12:03 | Com[Plex | 516,572 bytes) |
| 06:12:22 | kendrick2 | IE borked it |
| 06:12:30 | Com[Plex | wtg, blame it on ie |
| 06:12:31 | kendrick2 | try downloading from http://www.handango.com/sharp/ |
| 06:12:40 | kendrick2 | or i can e-mail it to you as an attachment |
| 06:12:49 | kendrick2 | anything's better than trusting web browsers |
| 06:13:01 | kendrick2 | netscape gunzips things... ie downloads stuff as ascii... they're all retarded :) |
| 06:13:14 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:13:38 | warmi | kendrick2: are you running your Z with OPIE or Qtopia ? |
| 06:13:41 | kendrick2 | whoops - sorry, i think it's 516,895 :) |
| 06:13:49 | kendrick2 | Qtopia - Paul's 1.12SD rom |
| 06:14:00 | kendrick2 | shit |
| 06:14:05 | kendrick2 | i may have an older ipk on my cf card - sorry com |
| 06:14:09 | kendrick2 | (i'm not home atm) |
| 06:14:35 | NeoTron | sounds like it was downloaded in some text mode and \n was converted to \r\n |
| 06:14:38 | kendrick2 | md5sum is: 5d1ab...84fe |
| 06:14:54 | kendrick2 | neo - tried it out yet? what do you think? :) |
| 06:15:08 | NeoTron | I haven't. been watching a movie and stuff |
| 06:15:33 | NeoTron | checks handango |
| 06:15:48 | NeoTron | you talking about vectoroids here? |
| 06:15:51 | NeoTron | or mad bomber? |
| 06:15:56 | kendrick2 | vectoroids |
| 06:16:07 | kendrick2 | been out of the house - no time to ipkg madbomber |
| 06:16:11 | kendrick2 | need to fix the bmps anyway |
| 06:16:18 | NeoTron | k |
| 06:16:22 | kendrick2 | you've opened my floodgates tho, neo ;) |
| 06:16:26 | NeoTron | once I get some more time |
| 06:16:39 | NeoTron | I can fix that SDL_image-like library for Qtopia native format loading |
| 06:16:54 | kendrick2 | that'd be cool |
| 06:16:57 | kendrick2 | i can live without for now |
| 06:17:12 | kendrick2 | that's why god invented higher version numbers ;^) |
| 06:17:24 | kendrick2 | so complex - any luck? |
| 06:17:30 | NeoTron | I need to fix up SDL too tho |
| 06:17:43 | kendrick2 | i wish that mixer bug would get fixed |
| 06:17:45 | NeoTron | once this contest is finally final I can relax some on that bit |
| 06:17:46 | Com[Plex | downloaded it from sharp, that working |
| 06:17:49 | kendrick2 | vectoroids for the zaurus doesnt sound as good |
| 06:17:51 | NeoTron | the lockup bog? |
| 06:17:58 | kendrick2 | yeah :( |
| 06:18:01 | kendrick2 | happens on my desktop, too |
| 06:18:03 | kendrick2 | *sigh* |
| 06:18:08 | NeoTron | doesn't sound as good why? because you can't channel-specific audio? |
| 06:18:10 | kendrick2 | complex - tell me if it installs. :) thx |
| 06:18:21 | NeoTron | installs |
| 06:18:21 | warmi | NeoTron: still polishing your final entry ? |
| 06:18:22 | Com[Plex | no room on my Z, and it wont let me install to SD |
| 06:18:26 | kendrick2 | neo -yeah... in 'real'vectoroids, the thrust noise is all in one channel, so i can control it well |
| 06:18:29 | NeoTron | warmi: yah. have some issues left |
| 06:18:32 | kendrick2 | complex - damn, sorry |
| 06:18:43 | warmi | this is what bugs me .. |
| 06:18:45 | NeoTron | kendrick2: ah, right, yes. SDLRoids do the same (actually, it uses looped playing) |
| 06:18:48 | kendrick2 | i wish they'd fix ipkg >:^( |
| 06:18:54 | warmi | why some apps refuse to install to CF or SD |
| 06:18:55 | warmi | ? |
| 06:18:59 | NeoTron | kendrick2: well, it installed to SD |
| 06:19:00 | Com[Plex | how mig does it install to? |
| 06:19:02 | kendrick2 | neo - yeah.. i looped the thrust noise and then would stop on KeyRelease :) |
| 06:19:05 | Com[Plex | big |
| 06:19:06 | NeoTron | warmi: give me the app and I'll tell you why |
| 06:19:17 | kendrick2 | complex - proabably almost 1MB |
| 06:19:30 | kendrick2 | i use ipkg-build and a hand-made CONTROL file |
| 06:19:32 | Com[Plex | I got 1.4 left and it says theres no room |
| 06:19:39 | kendrick2 | hang on complex... |
| 06:19:42 | Com[Plex | k |
| 06:19:49 | warmi | well, my game installs fine .. but extra set of levels refuses to do so .. and it installs under the same directory |
| 06:20:26 | warmi | well, maybe I should stop using Trolls mkipgs |
| 06:20:29 | kendrick2 | ipkg is lame and uncompresses to /tmp first i believe |
| 06:20:30 | kendrick2 | ARGH |
| 06:20:47 | Com[Plex | maybe because it trys to make a folder, and cant beause it allready exsists., and ipkg bailed out at the first eror code it gets |
| 06:20:47 | kendrick2 | takes 1.5MB :( |
| 06:20:58 | Com[Plex | oh. sucky |
| 06:21:08 | kendrick2 | at its peak, complex |
| 06:21:12 | Com[Plex | right |
| 06:21:22 | warmi | I saw the error it said soemthng like sed: cannot open file /tmp/bla/bla/bla/bla/puzzle-alphabet_level.list |
| 06:21:26 | warmi | hehe |
| 06:21:26 | kendrick2 | after it's DONE installing, ti should be 1.0MB |
| 06:21:41 | Com[Plex | k |
| 06:21:41 | kendrick2 | which is still big :( |
| 06:21:45 | kendrick2 | all that SDL stuff ;) |
| 06:21:52 | kendrick2 | they should drop qtopia and make an SDL-based pda ;) |
| 06:22:10 | kendrick2 | complex, you could do the lame thing and untar it to cf and then mv things around |
| 06:22:27 | Com[Plex | yeah? where do they need to be moved? |
| 06:22:30 | kendrick2 | like: cd /mnt/cf ; mkdir xxx ; cd xxx ; tar -xzf ../vectoroid*.ipk ; tar -xzf data.tar.gz |
| 06:22:38 | Com[Plex | - and what would the command be to do all that? |
| 06:22:40 | Com[Plex | ahh, thanks |
| 06:22:44 | kendrick2 | it puts stuff in /opt/QtPalmtop/*/ |
| 06:22:47 | warmi | NeoTron: this guy from France can surprize us all with his game engine for Boulder Dash like games .. |
| 06:22:52 | kendrick2 | it won't appear as a 'package' tho |
| 06:23:02 | kendrick2 | boulder dash! :) |
| 06:23:02 | warmi | his stuff looked very good on still pictures |
| 06:23:07 | kendrick2 | i have that for my atari xl |
| 06:23:23 | warmi | yeah, I used to play it a lot on my Atari 65Xe |
| 06:23:24 | NeoTron | kendrick2: well, it runs but it's kind of slowish. but I suppose that might be my fault. :P How do you do screen update? |
| 06:23:45 | kendrick2 | SDL_BlitSurface() to copy the jupiter bmp |
| 06:23:49 | NeoTron | btw, it doesn't start from clicking the icon but it starts from the shell.. |
| 06:23:51 | kendrick2 | then draw draw draw, then SDL_Flip() |
| 06:24:00 | NeoTron | ok, that is the "right" way for now |
| 06:24:00 | kendrick2 | neo - it should |
| 06:24:18 | kendrick2 | 99% of my games do that ;) |
| 06:24:28 | warmi | kendrick2: are you doing simple bounding rect collisons check in the game ? |
| 06:24:34 | kendrick2 | why doesnt it run from icon, can you find out, neo? |
| 06:24:41 | kendrick2 | warmi - yeah, something lame-assed like that |
| 06:24:47 | NeoTron | warmi: the solution to your problem: rename the ipkg from puzzle-alphabet_level_something to puzzle-alphabet-level_something |
| 06:24:50 | kendrick2 | definitely nothing complex... gives the player a slight advantage |
| 06:25:15 | NeoTron | ipkg (shell version at least) completely fails when the "name" part includes _ |
| 06:25:31 | NeoTron | and it works to install to memory because the list (which is used for symlinking) isn't used then |
| 06:25:31 | warmi | NeoTron: are you serious ? |
| 06:25:33 | NeoTron | yes |
| 06:25:37 | NeoTron | I ran into the same issue |
| 06:25:37 | kendrick2 | ipkg sucks... kinda REALLY sucks |
| 06:25:55 | warmi | no shit .. I have noticed that one of my packages started working after mere name change |
| 06:26:04 | warmi | thanks Neo |
| 06:26:07 | NeoTron | sure |
| 06:26:12 | NeoTron | bugged the heck out of me. :P |
| 06:26:21 | kendrick2 | neo, right now my icons (.desktop) exec "game.sh" |
| 06:26:29 | kendrick2 | so it ignores any -qcop/etc. command-line options |
| 06:26:42 | NeoTron | I renamed the sa package to strategic_assault and it stopped working. :p |
| 06:26:55 | kendrick2 | handango should include icons for games with sound and music, along with color and ("why would i care?") java |
| 06:27:03 | NeoTron | My new trick is to make the binary foo.gz and have a script foo which unpacks to /tmp/ and runs it. :P |
| 06:27:08 | NeoTron | saves some space |
| 06:27:52 | kendrick2 | so neo - the game SHOULD run from icon... what ROM are you using? |
| 06:27:57 | NeoTron | 1.12 |
| 06:27:59 | kendrick2 | where did you install? (i assume 'internal' :) ) |
| 06:28:02 | kendrick2 | plain 1.12? |
| 06:28:04 | kendrick2 | on a 5000D |
| 06:28:05 | kendrick2 | ? |
| 06:28:23 | NeoTron | aha! |
| 06:28:30 | NeoTron | vectoroids.sh isn't executable |
| 06:28:47 | NeoTron | and then as magic, it worked... :P |
| 06:28:50 | NeoTron | missing chmod a+x |
| 06:29:18 | kendrick2 | what1? |
| 06:29:26 | kendrick2 | that's bizarre... |
| 06:29:34 | kendrick2 | how did you install? ipkg or Add/Remove ? |
| 06:29:48 | NeoTron | using the gui install, to SD |
| 06:29:57 | kendrick2 | oh, installed to SD? |
| 06:30:08 | kendrick2 | you're using 1.12 (not Paul's SD)... is your SD ext2fs or FAT? |
| 06:30:43 | NeoTron | [neotron@stellar unpack]$ tar tvzf data.tar.gz |grep bin/vectoroids |
| 06:30:43 | NeoTron | -rw-r--r-- kendrick/kendrick 11 2002-04-13 17:51:20 ./opt/QtPalmtop/bin/vectoroids.sh |
| 06:30:43 | NeoTron | -rwxr-xr-x kendrick/kendrick 437080 2002-04-13 17:51:20 ./opt/QtPalmtop/bin/vectoroids |
| 06:30:50 | NeoTron | it's not +x in the tar file |
| 06:30:55 | kendrick2 | yeah, sorry |
| 06:30:59 | kendrick2 | but it works for me, though |
| 06:31:12 | NeoTron | well, it is not gonna be made +x by itself. :P |
| 06:31:18 | NeoTron | and I use ext2 btw |
| 06:31:22 | kendrick2 | ok |
| 06:31:25 | warmi | it worked for me as well, GUI install, clicked on the icon and it just run |
| 06:31:35 | kendrick2 | there must be some magic it does when it de-ipk's onto internal, vs sd |
| 06:31:43 | NeoTron | possibly |
| 06:31:47 | kendrick2 | i'll make a note to chmod when i build ipk |
| 06:31:47 | NeoTron | those do work differently in ways |
| 06:31:57 | kendrick2 | have i mentioned i hate ipkg? |
| 06:32:05 | kendrick2 | i mean, i'm glad for it, cuz it does work MOST of the time |
| 06:32:07 | NeoTron | I install everything to SD these days. :P |
| 06:32:09 | warmi | NeoTron: have you tried my game on SD card ? |
| 06:32:12 | kendrick2 | but it's frustratingly un-finished |
| 06:32:17 | NeoTron | warmi: it's on SD |
| 06:32:23 | NeoTron | all my apps are installed on SD |
| 06:32:24 | warmi | no problems ? |
| 06:32:24 | kendrick2 | neotron - so do it. it's called Paul's 1.12SD rom ;) |
| 06:32:39 | kendrick2 | warmi - he has ext2fs SD |
| 06:32:40 | NeoTron | well, "REAL" SD as opposed to "emulated internal storage" SD |
| 06:32:45 | NeoTron | no problems |
| 06:32:46 | kendrick2 | that's probably key |
| 06:32:58 | NeoTron | but I never have problems with my DOS formatted CF either |
| 06:33:08 | warmi | I am gonna get myself SD card .. as soon as I get cf lan etherned |
| 06:33:30 | kendrick2 | i had amazing problems with installing to CF or SD (fat, both) under 1.0x, 1.11, etc. |
| 06:33:45 | kendrick2 | that, plus more RAM is why i opted for 1.12SD |
| 06:34:01 | kendrick2 | writes to 'disk' when i 'quit' pim apps is slow, but otherwise, it's grrrrrrrrrrrrrreat! |
| 06:34:25 | NeoTron | the main problem with installs is, 99% of the time, that there isn't enough space in the /tmp/ directory |
| 06:34:30 | warmi | well, since I am in this contest I wanted to be sure my ROM as exactly the same they will use for testing our entries |
| 06:34:46 | warmi | but I am thinking about installing pauls rom |
| 06:34:57 | warmi | more ram for gdb |
| 06:34:58 | warmi | :-) |
| 06:35:20 | NeoTron | I use swap on CF for gdb ram. :P |
| 06:35:28 | kendrick2 | damn, zarusu software index is down??? |
| 06:35:39 | warmi | NeoTron: yeah but it kills CF real quick |
| 06:36:20 | warmi | kendrick2: yeah, it seems to be |
| 06:36:27 | kendrick2 | hits Z@LL |
| 06:36:38 | NeoTron | warmi: for the CF price, I don't care too much |
| 06:36:42 | NeoTron | it's just a 32 MB CF |
| 06:37:01 | warmi | NeoTron: hehe .. yeah, I know , CF cards are cheap .. in fact SD are just as cheap these days |
| 06:37:39 | warmi | hell, maybe someone will figure out how to upgrade 5000 to at least 128 MB .. |
| 06:37:45 | warmi | that would be just pure heaven |
| 06:38:54 | kendrick2 | goddamnit |
| 06:39:00 | kendrick2 | i cant log into phpnuke at z@LL using links >:^( |
| 06:40:38 | kendrick2 | lynx works better, but now ic ant remebe rmy password :) |
| 06:41:46 | Com[Plex | hey kendrik, got it working - tell me, - you ever give thought to redoing that game "tempest" |
| 06:41:47 | Com[Plex | ? |
| 06:41:51 | Pallus | anyone know of a chess game for QT? |
| 06:41:57 | kendrick2 | complex - i was, actually |
| 06:42:05 | kendrick2 | for the sdl contest.. i had to abort it cuz i was running out of time |
| 06:42:16 | kendrick2 | it was called Tumult. has really kickass music :) |
| 06:42:46 | kendrick2 | i should start over for the z (no fpu :^/ ) |
| 06:42:58 | kendrick2 | listens to girlfriend getting tromped in chess |
| 06:43:27 | warmi | Pallus: yeah, phalanx will be available in about two weeks |
| 06:43:45 | warmi | right now there is a Java based chess game available at www.myzaurus.com |
| 06:43:47 | kendrick2 | has the java chess game |
| 06:43:49 | kendrick2 | i just suck at chess :) |
| 06:44:29 | warmi | kendrick2: why didn't you enter Trolls competition ? |
| 06:44:35 | Pallus | I am running an IPAQ with QPE 1.5, I don't have Java or I would play that one |
| 06:44:42 | kendrick2 | no way to code any games until neo came up with sdl ;) |
| 06:44:53 | kendrick2 | i already got a free sl-5000d anyway ;) |
| 06:45:08 | Com[Plex | lo |
| 06:45:09 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 06:45:11 | warmi | oh ... well, then you have to wait another two weeks Pallus :-) |
| 06:45:13 | kendrick2 | pallus - where did you get qpe 1.5? |
| 06:45:18 | Com[Plex | 7904007904 |
| 06:45:23 | Com[Plex | woops |
| 06:45:23 | kendrick2 | i have a friend with an ipaq and for some reason he just installed qpe 1.0 :^/ |
| 06:45:25 | Com[Plex | 007904 |
| 06:45:30 | Pallus | from the sourceforge sight |
| 06:45:35 | Com[Plex | that "game over klaxon is fuckign LOUD |
| 06:45:39 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/images/phalanx.png |
| 06:45:40 | Pallus | ahh, er site hehe |
| 06:45:45 | kendrick2 | complex - yeah, sorry :) |
| 06:45:48 | warmi | work in progress Pallus :-) |
| 06:45:49 | kendrick2 | i really need to quiet it |
| 06:45:54 | Com[Plex | its koay "? |
| 06:45:56 | Com[Plex | :> |
| 06:46:04 | kendrick2 | it's a good test of speakers, tho ;^) |
| 06:46:08 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 06:46:09 | kendrick2 | deafening, tho :^( |
| 06:46:13 | Com[Plex | yeah, the phons DEFENITELY work |
| 06:46:18 | kendrick2 | game plays ok? |
| 06:46:25 | kendrick2 | hehe - hopefully they STILL work after that ;) |
| 06:46:30 | kendrick2 | "WWAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" |
| 06:46:38 | warmi | kendrick2: where did you get your free Z 5000 from ? |
| 06:46:44 | kendrick2 | from sharp ;) |
| 06:46:48 | kendrick2 | and about 30 other people |
| 06:46:50 | warmi | how come ? |
| 06:46:58 | kendrick2 | mostly qt/kde folks... lots of pda journalists |
| 06:46:58 | warmi | some sort of promotion ? |
| 06:47:12 | kendrick2 | warmi - they did a 'symposium' thing in december in san jose |
| 06:47:22 | kendrick2 | jason perlow e-mailed me the day after i signed up for developer.sharpsec.com |
| 06:47:26 | Pallus | I noticed there was source for chess in the latest QPE source snapshot... |
| 06:47:33 | kendrick2 | must've noticed all the agenda stuff i was saying there:) |
| 06:47:39 | warmi | Pallus: yeah but it is rather pathetic |
| 06:47:40 | warmi | :-) |
| 06:47:49 | kendrick2 | i keep noticing a chess icon in roms, i think |
| 06:47:51 | kendrick2 | and a vnc icon |
| 06:47:59 | kendrick2 | makes me wonder what all they're up to out there |
| 06:48:02 | warmi | phalanx is way way stronger ... this guy who wrote it has been working on it since 1997 |
| 06:48:20 | kendrick2 | oh, a DIFFICULT chess game.. just what i NEED ;0 |
| 06:48:33 | warmi | well, there is no point if you can beat it easily |
| 06:48:44 | kendrick2 | warmi - well, one needs to start somewhere ;) |
| 06:48:49 | kendrick2 | i had chessmaster 2000 for my atari |
| 06:49:14 | warmi | heh . I used to have a buddy who was some sort of local champion .. |
| 06:49:36 | warmi | he would play against me from memory without looking at the board and still would kick my ass every time |
| 06:50:18 | warmi | allrigth ... my contest game is pretty much done |
| 06:50:25 | Pallus | I think chess is just one of those games that is great to load and play a quick game, there is so much to learn to the game |
| 06:50:46 | warmi | time to have some fun with Wolfenstein 3d and then get some sleep |
| 06:51:04 | warmi | Pallus: I used to love chess ... but I forgot most of it |
| 06:51:10 | warmi | anyway , good night |
| 06:51:22 | Pallus | warmi:good luck on it, looking forward to seeing your game |
| 06:52:15 | kendrick2 | wolf3d? |
| 06:52:22 | kendrick2 | oh, probably the new one |
| 06:52:27 | kendrick2 | i'd like to see Doom or Wolf3d running on the Z |
| 06:52:34 | kendrick2 | I have Wolf3d for my Agenda ;) |
| 06:54:17 | NeoTron | is back from giving his newest kitty ear drops |
| 06:54:24 | NeoTron | she was putting up quite a fight this time |
| 06:54:39 | kendrick2 | annc's Vectoroids to usenet |
| 06:54:46 | kendrick2 | kitten? |
| 06:56:04 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 06:56:11 | kendrick2 | speaking of |
| 06:56:12 | NeoTron | like 7-9 months old or so |
| 06:56:20 | kendrick2 | we're at a friend's house, and she adopted a kitten we fostered |
| 06:56:20 | NeoTron | just adopted her a few wks ago |
| 06:56:30 | NeoTron | and she had bad earmites infestation |
| 06:56:34 | kendrick2 | we had these guys from when they were a couple of weeks old |
| 06:56:51 | kendrick2 | lots of intestinal ickiness, most of their eyes were plugged closed, etc. |
| 06:56:58 | kendrick2 | nursed them to health, and then adopted them out |
| 06:57:11 | kendrick2 | he's leaping 3 feet into the air after a toy. it's amazing (cuz hegot kinda fat ;) ) |
| 06:57:17 | kendrick2 | i need to make a video game based on cats ;) |
| 06:57:32 | kendrick2 | maybe a 3d cat simulator, where you're supposed to catch bugs or something ;) |
| 06:57:37 | kendrick2 | kinda like Mister Mosquito |
| 06:57:37 | NeoTron | btw, Intersellar Flames looks absolutely awesome. hope it'll play good too |
| 06:57:53 | NeoTron | cats are amazing animals |
| 06:58:00 | kendrick2 | what's "I.F."? |
| 06:58:02 | kendrick2 | never heard of it |
| 06:58:09 | NeoTron | http://www.xengames.com/screens.html |
| 06:58:15 | kendrick2 | crap - no x-window |
| 06:58:15 | NeoTron | my next Xen Games port project |
| 06:58:20 | kendrick2 | cool :) |
| 06:58:29 | NeoTron | 3D space fighter action game |
| 06:58:29 | kendrick2 | e-mail me that url (nbs@sonic.net) |
| 06:58:34 | NeoTron | still work in progress |
| 06:58:37 | kendrick2 | cool... did you try out RAID? |
| 06:58:50 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 06:59:02 | kendrick2 | hey, does SDL ont he Z support alpha? |
| 06:59:06 | NeoTron | the engine looks quite nice but the example game is kinda lame |
| 06:59:23 | NeoTron | SDL supports everything it normally supports.. |
| 06:59:29 | kendrick2 | >:^) |
| 06:59:35 | kendrick2 | i need PNG support ;) |
| 06:59:36 | NeoTron | just smaller and slower. :P |
| 07:00:00 | kendrick2 | heh |
| 07:00:19 | Com[Plex | s3m |
| 07:00:32 | kendrick2 | ? |
| 07:00:39 | Com[Plex | you the first to put s3m support on the Z? |
| 07:00:49 | Com[Plex | thats not a "mod" its an s3m |
| 07:00:57 | Com[Plex | theres a mod player, but does it also play s3ms? |
| 07:00:59 | kendrick2 | that'd be thank to neotron, sdl_mixer and mikmod |
| 07:01:06 | Com[Plex | ah |
| 07:01:08 | Com[Plex | coo |
| 07:01:09 | kendrick2 | complex - depends on what it's based on |
| 07:01:17 | NeoTron | anything mikmod supports |
| 07:01:24 | kendrick2 | if it's based on mikmod or something similar, it'd probably support all 'mod'style formats |
| 07:01:25 | kendrick2 | :) |
| 07:01:28 | NeoTron | and the mod player uses mikmod I believe |
| 07:01:43 | kendrick2 | sdl's does, yeah |
| 07:01:51 | kendrick2 | that's the whole reason i started using sdl in the first place |
| 07:01:57 | NeoTron | no, the Z mod player |
| 07:02:07 | kendrick2 | i needed good sound code, and the fact that it supported mods made the deal so much sweeter :) |
| 07:02:12 | kendrick2 | neo - oh.. tkcplayer? |
| 07:02:16 | NeoTron | have you heard any recent mods? Man, they are like mp3 quality these days |
| 07:02:17 | kendrick2 | orr... uh... tkcMediaPlayer? |
| 07:02:25 | NeoTron | no, catalin's one |
| 07:02:26 | kendrick2 | neo - i have, like, 1.5GB of MOds :) |
| 07:02:31 | kendrick2 | neo - i think he works for tkc ;) |
| 07:02:39 | NeoTron | the mod player is however not tkc |
| 07:02:40 | | catalin is probably xxL |
| 07:02:40 | kendrick2 | ibot catalin |
| 07:02:44 | | hmmm... xxl is Catalin Climov <mailto:catalin@climov.com>, http://www.climov.com/zaurus/ |
| 07:02:44 | kendrick2 | ibot xxl |
| 07:02:56 | Com[Plex | neo: yeah, mostly sequencing, but still yummy |
| 07:03:17 | NeoTron | I downloaded some from a huge repository and they are amazing. :P |
| 07:03:22 | NeoTron | anyone know any good modders? |
| 07:03:35 | kendrick2 | some mod'er did the music for circus linux! for me |
| 07:03:36 | Com[Plex | I used to know one :> |
| 07:03:46 | NeoTron | I used to make rather lame mods myself |
| 07:03:51 | kendrick2 | there's some other guy i know who let me use pretty mkuch anyhting he composed |
| 07:03:57 | kendrick2 | i totally want a modder for me ;) |
| 07:03:58 | kendrick2 | and an artist |
| 07:04:01 | NeoTron | unfortunately I lost my best work, i.e the most recent 3-4 mods or so |
| 07:04:05 | kendrick2 | and a designer |
| 07:04:08 | Com[Plex | yeah, I usaed to TRY to make mods, but I know a guy who was amazing. |
| 07:04:12 | NeoTron | which are amazingly much better than the once I have |
| 07:04:24 | NeoTron | http://david.hedbor.org/mods/ |
| 07:04:36 | kendrick2 | ok - my back is killing me |
| 07:04:41 | kendrick2 | i must get off this machine |
| 07:04:47 | kendrick2 | (i have to sit sideways w/ no back support |
| 07:04:51 | kendrick2 | see ya later! |
| 07:04:54 | NeoTron | cya |
| 07:04:55 | kendrick2 | expect mad bomber by tomorrow ;) |
| 07:05:01 | kendrick2 | and maybe bugsquish, too ;) |
| 07:14:19 | Pallus | www.climov.com/zaurus/ has kpacman, has anyone seen an ipk for it? |
| 07:16:20 | Com[Plex | yes |
| 07:16:37 | Com[Plex | http://www.handango.com/sharp/home.jsp?siteId=423&platformId=9&catalog=80&posit=0 |
| 07:16:43 | Com[Plex | one of those pages |
| 07:16:46 | Pallus | thanks |
| 07:17:22 | Com[Plex | n[p |
| 07:51:43 | NeoTron | whee |
| 08:49:16 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzzzz |
| 09:20:45 | George- | SL-500 discussion? is there such a machine? |
| 09:20:48 | George- | ;) |
| 09:21:36 | n64321426 | Hm.... |
| 09:21:53 | Rince | no, but 5500(g) eg |
| 09:22:24 | George- | hmm |
| 09:22:25 | George- | oh |
| 09:22:33 | George- | the *'s are wildcards? |
| 09:22:34 | George- | =P |
| 09:22:37 | George- | Doesn't look obvious to me |
| 09:23:55 | n64321426 | can't see the topic in tkcJabber |
| 09:24:13 | Rince | take ? instead of * |
| 09:25:11 | n64321426 | but * is a wildcard too |
| 09:25:27 | n64321426 | is Larry, btw |
| 09:26:00 | LarryGarfield | There's my other personalitiy. |
| 09:26:59 | LarryGarfield | better |
| 09:30:42 | LarryGarfield | So, nothing interesting happening |
| 09:35:30 | LarryGarfield | so nothing happening tonight? |
| 09:37:15 | LarryGarfield | I see, interesting. |
| 10:08:45 | George- | ok, bbl (mowing the lawn. *grrr* ;) |
| 10:08:50 | LarryGarfield | enjoy |
| 10:16:30 | kend-zaur | anyone wanna try madbomber for zaurus? :) |
| 10:17:18 | kend-zaur | anyone even here? |
| 10:20:22 | Rince | what is madbomber? |
| 10:20:38 | kend-zaur | a clone of the old game 'Kaboom!' |
| 10:20:54 | kend-zaur | http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/madbomber/ |
| 10:21:17 | kend-zaur | want to test it? the gfx are a little messed up, but it runs! :) |
| 10:21:27 | Rince | next week, yes. But I don't have my Z yet |
| 10:22:05 | kend-zaur | oh :) |
| 10:27:22 | kend-zaur | well, i guess noone else is here |
| 10:27:41 | kend-zaur | nite, then! enjoy your Z when it arrives |
| 10:28:00 | Rince | will do :-) |
| 10:32:31 | George- | back |
| 10:35:24 | hunger_ | Good morning! |
| 10:36:28 | hunger | Which zImage from OZ3 should I use? |
| 10:53:39 | George- | is away - clearing up bedroom |
| 11:13:32 | hunger | How do I get OZ3 into my Z? Copying a zImage and initrd to cf and then the usual flash procedure? |
| 11:13:42 | hunger | Do I need bootflag.txt? |
| 11:46:06 | antlarr | hi |
| 11:46:57 | antlarr | JasonNJ: are you there ? |
| 11:51:11 | | msmax was last seen on #zaurus 3 days, 18 hours, 58 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: Complx: BigBoss is offnow, will be available (with tkcPlayer) in 90 minut [Wed Apr 10 17:52:15 2002] |
| 11:51:11 | GogaN | ibot: seen msmax |
| 11:51:33 | GogaN | uuh. |
| 11:51:56 | GogaN | Any experienced developers here? |
| 11:52:35 | antlarr | GogaN: no, but just ask :) |
| 11:53:03 | GogaN | antlarr: have you worked with QCop |
| 11:53:10 | antlarr | Anybody knows if the contest deadline is on the 15th at 11:59 or the 14th at 11:59 ? |
| 11:53:13 | antlarr | GogaN: a bit |
| 11:53:14 | ljp-- | me's here |
| 11:54:21 | GogaN | antlarr: well particularly with QPE/System/busy() |
| 11:54:28 | GogaN | and notBusy(); |
| 11:54:51 | antlarr | no, I haven't, but just ask your question, maybe I can help |
| 11:55:18 | ljp-- | QCop: easy as mud pie |
| 11:56:01 | hunger | Damit! Just succeeded in turning my Z into a brick:-( |
| 11:56:15 | GogaN | antlarr: First i send busy(); then do some calculating stuff, then notBusy() |
| 11:57:05 | GogaN | antlarr: it does stuff, and AFTER it draws busy cursor, and then turns it off (~5 sec) |
| 11:58:05 | antlarr | oh |
| 11:58:27 | antlarr | maybe calling QApplication::processEvents after sending busy() helps ? |
| 11:58:40 | GogaN | wait... |
| 12:01:22 | GogaN | WOOHOO!! |
| 12:01:25 | GogaN | works! |
| 12:01:32 | GogaN | thanks A LOT!!! |
| 12:02:41 | antlarr | You're welcome :-) |
| 12:02:44 | GogaN | Thank you, antlarr! |
| 12:05:46 | antlarr | btw, What are you developing? or better say after the contest ? |
| 12:16:27 | hunger | Is there a way to get the stuff that usually is in /var/log/messages on the Z? |
| 12:19:59 | _GogaN_ | uh oh, there are 2 me's here :(( |
| 12:21:49 | arno_ | hunger: define 'get' |
| 12:35:02 | riskable | Morning folks |
| 12:43:33 | ljp-- | hi |
| 12:43:59 | hunger | arno_: I want to be able to read what goes there (at least having it scroll by a it happens if it does not get stored). |
| 12:45:25 | ljp-- | dmesg | more |
| 12:45:47 | riskable | ps -aef | grep irc |
| 13:01:24 | Rince | re |
| 13:04:19 | hunger | arno_: I'll try that as soon as I can turn my Z on again. Thanks! |
| 13:04:47 | ljp-- | hunger: what you do to it? |
| 13:05:01 | NetAmp | It's not in my head, i'm no psycho |
| 13:05:08 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-04-14 06:38:45 | Instant Message, Instant Transcript | The Lure of Heroinware | Interview With id Software's Robert A. Duffy | Connecticut To Store Biometric Information |
| 13:05:08 | NetAmp | ibot: slashdot |
| 13:05:13 | hunger | ljp--: I flashed OZ3 into it any mistyped the name for the initrd. |
| 13:05:58 | hunger | ljp--: Since OZ3 uses a diffrent FS then the original sharp romimage that causes a lot of trouble and ultimately a kernel panic since it can't read the rootfs:-( |
| 13:07:06 | hunger | ljp--: No great deal. Will be fixed easily once I get a CFcard reader for my desktop tomorrow. |
| 13:08:01 | ljp-- | ahh... I'd wait for beta 3 anyway, as beta2 is kinda borked |
| 13:11:16 | hunger | ljp--: I live on the edge on my desktop too. |
| 13:11:37 | hunger | ljp--: I keep compiling stuff myself since it's too old for my taste in debian/unstable ;-) |
| 13:13:01 | ljp-- | hehehe |
| 13:13:30 | henrik | hm.. anyone know exactly when the contest entries are due? |
| 13:13:39 | ljp-- | I gotta send my koolance case back.. :( |
| 13:13:54 | NetAmp | let's water-cool the Z ;) |
| 13:14:37 | NetAmp | that way it could also be used as a digital squirtgun |
| 13:14:56 | NetAmp | (along with the nuclear shielding and all) |
| 13:15:53 | henrik | hehe |
| 13:16:11 | ljp-- | no way to overclock it tho |
| 13:16:37 | hunger | ljp--: No way *YET*. Wait a few more weeks and someone will come up with a way to do it. |
| 13:16:51 | henrik | ljp--: how much do you want to bet on that? =) |
| 13:17:21 | ljp-- | hmm.. that'd put a damper on the already short battery life |
| 13:18:55 | hunger | ljp--: The Z has a very geekish target audience,,, I'm expecting some very wired addons/programsm. |
| 13:19:54 | ljp-- | actually, Sharp's target is businesses |
| 13:20:15 | ljp-- | if you can believe that |
| 13:20:39 | NetAmp | hm.. we could.. use kryptonite as a power source |
| 13:20:52 | ljp-- | or solar power |
| 13:20:55 | NetAmp | yah |
| 13:21:00 | henrik | i'm having a hard time understanding why a business person would want a Z over a pocket pc though.. |
| 13:21:01 | NetAmp | that's probably more realistic ;) |
| 13:21:16 | NetAmp | well, because the Z is far superior to PPC ;) |
| 13:21:21 | hunger | ljp--: Starnge... Hardly anyone I talk to even knows about the Z's existance! Well, nobody outside of the linux-crowd. |
| 13:21:47 | NetAmp | And when the syncing gets fixed they'll just scream for Z's :P |
| 13:21:58 | NetAmp | and it's cheaper, isn't it? |
| 13:22:21 | NetAmp | Z == 500+ EUR while PPC == 700+ EUR |
| 13:22:30 | ljp-- | man, I really dont want to take apart my box... |
| 13:22:44 | NetAmp | ljp--: painful, isn't it |
| 13:22:59 | killefiz | NetAmp: The Z is 699 EUR in Germany |
| 13:23:09 | NetAmp | what?! |
| 13:23:12 | NetAmp | jeesh... |
| 13:23:13 | ljp-- | ya.. but I'm going to also put my linux drives on the faster motherboard while I'm shutdown |
| 13:23:33 | NetAmp | I hope it'll be less by July/August then, heh ;-) |
| 13:24:01 | killefiz | Hmm ... electronics stuff is more expensive in the Netherlands, isn't it? |
| 13:24:05 | NetAmp | and they should advertise real much |
| 13:24:18 | NetAmp | maybe... I never bought anything in Germany |
| 13:24:38 | NetAmp | but it'd be pretty bad if it's even more expensive than a PPC! |
| 13:24:58 | NetAmp | that way people will go with ppc anyway |
| 13:25:06 | killefiz | It's a couple of EUR's cheaper than the new IPaq with 64 MB RAM |
| 13:26:02 | NetAmp | Oh well... I'm just waiting for the mail from Sharp |
| 13:26:13 | hunger | actually payed 50EUR less. |
| 13:26:16 | NetAmp | and then I'll go see in the store wheter it's worth it (for me) ;) |
| 13:26:50 | killefiz | actually payed 105 EUR less but officaial sharp price is 699 EUR |
| 13:29:08 | NetAmp | 105 less? heh sweet ;) |
| 13:30:38 | hunger | killefiz: And I thought I had a good deal... |
| 13:49:18 | antlarr | Anybody knows if the contest deadline is on the 15th at 11:59 or the 14th at 11:59 ? |
| 13:49:29 | antlarr | JasonNJ: ? |
| 13:51:36 | riskable | If any of you were just doing your taxes on hrblock.com and were having trouble, I just fixed it =) |
| 13:53:30 | henrik | and: in what timezone? :) |
| 13:54:47 | henrik | antlarr: i'd like to know more specifically when the contest deadline is too.. |
| 13:57:11 | antlarr | henrik: I just sent a mail to some people at Trolltech (warwick, greg and kent ) asking them to answer Ben's mail on qpe-devel |
| 13:59:03 | henrik | Or is it the entire day of april 15:th in your local timezone? If they'd said nothing else, i'd assume that. |
| 14:00:22 | henrik | i'll keep an eye out for a reply though |
| 14:00:46 | antlarr | yes, that would be the better |
| 14:00:52 | antlarr | thing to do |
| 14:01:01 | antlarr | s/better/best/ |
| 14:02:34 | henrik | How do you submit your entry anyway? |
| 14:02:56 | antlarr | go to contest.trolltech.com/members |
| 14:03:05 | antlarr | in the same way than the beta submission |
| 14:03:41 | henrik | ah.. of course :) |
| 14:03:59 | henrik | now i just need to find that password again |
| 14:06:22 | henrik | well, time for dinner.. |
| 14:09:27 | BigBoss | howdy ho |
| 14:10:46 | Twiun[semi-busy] | Heya |
| 14:13:59 | Onetrack | hiyaz everyone.. anyone know when the UK release for the zaurus is? |
| 14:19:02 | BigBoss | soon is all I've heard |
| 14:19:36 | Onetrack | hmm hope so.. i'll be in london on the 1st.. might pick one up there if they're not brutally expensive |
| 14:19:54 | mark_ | Onetrack: i can check prices for you if you want |
| 14:20:10 | Twiun[semi-busy] | Onetrack: They'll probably be in the £500 range |
| 14:22:10 | Onetrack | i'd prolly be able to get one at dixons? does anyone know of any other best buy / future shop kind of place in the uk? |
| 14:22:27 | mark_ | Onetrack: what are we talking about |
| 14:22:31 | mark_ | dixons are expensive usually |
| 14:23:01 | Onetrack | mark.. oh just asking what available in the uk.. i'll be there on my way to nz.. |
| 14:23:21 | Onetrack | i'm in antigua now.. bottom of the third world food chain when it comes to tech |
| 14:23:27 | mark_ | Onetrack: yeh, what is the item in question? |
| 14:24:10 | BigBoss | just order it online and have it shipped :) |
| 14:24:30 | Onetrack | hah.. i just got charges 93% duty on a replacement keyboard for my laptop.. so .. no |
| 14:24:36 | Austin | For an obscene amount of money, plus cust-- right. |
| 14:24:38 | Twiun[semi-busy] | Ouch |
| 14:24:54 | Onetrack | duty on shipping here too.. |
| 14:24:57 | Onetrack | 55% |
| 14:25:12 | mark_ | Onetrack: 55%? shit |
| 14:25:25 | Onetrack | yeah.. its a government money grab here... |
| 14:25:47 | Onetrack | i tried to bring in my keyboard duty free.. but the company i used to work for hasn't paid their duty free license.. so no go.. |
| 14:26:32 | Onetrack | i ordered it on feb 12th.. it was shipped here from miami on feb 20th or so.. i didn't get it till last wednesday... |
| 14:27:18 | Onetrack | so i'd rather fly to london to get one =] |
| 14:27:30 | Com[Plex] | whats that? |
| 14:28:44 | Onetrack | a zaurus...... |
| 14:29:41 | Onetrack | anyways.. so dixons is pricy.. what other big mega stores are there in london? looking for a best buy type place..... |
| 14:30:05 | mark_ | you wont find a SL5000 in london anywhere |
| 14:30:06 | George- | Onetrack: just go down tottenham court road, heh :) |
| 14:30:25 | mark_ | or a SL5500 |
| 14:30:45 | George- | uh |
| 14:30:45 | Onetrack | mark.. yeah.. know the uk release date?.. or is it not till october? |
| 14:30:47 | George- | yeh you will |
| 14:30:48 | Rince | not yet or not naymore/ |
| 14:31:54 | mark_ | Onetrack: i heard end of april actually |
| 14:32:11 | Onetrack | oh? .. well thats good.. i'll be there may 2nd - 6th.. |
| 14:32:42 | Onetrack | mark.. know of any co' that would carry it? |
| 14:33:17 | mark_ | PC World may start selling it |
| 14:33:34 | mark_ | if not amazon.co.uk :) |
| 14:33:41 | Onetrack | ahh right |
| 14:33:46 | Onetrack | coo.. will check them |
| 14:35:42 | Com[Plex] | anyone here up to a challenge? |
| 14:36:36 | Com[Plex] | its an easy one probably - figure out why the sheild doesnt work right in qasteroids. - the source is available, but since I have never had the chance to learn to program, I cant see why the sheild code isnt working. |
| 14:36:40 | Com[Plex] | its all in there. |
| 14:39:15 | Com[Plex] | same thign with the Pause feature |
| 14:39:18 | Com[Plex] | thats broken too |
| 14:39:49 | mark_ | Com[Plex]: never to late to learn :) |
| 14:40:35 | Com[Plex] | true, but I also have a girlfriend and a job. so its hard to find time to learn, - specially without a good teacher |
| 14:41:21 | mark_ | Com[Plex]: v few people learn with teachers |
| 14:42:23 | Com[Plex] | well, this person would learn a little quicker if he had a jump start from someone who knew what the hell he was talking about. |
| 14:43:04 | Com[Plex] | because I got nothing, no books, no resources, nothing, - and I loft in a channel that isnt very helpful. |
| 14:43:50 | riskable | Well, I should say that you're really preaching to the wrong audience |
| 14:44:12 | riskable | This channel is #Zaurus. Not #Programming_Newbies |
| 14:44:33 | Austin | smacks riskable. |
| 14:44:43 | riskable | is not much of a programmer |
| 14:45:00 | Com[Plex] | *sigh* |
| 14:45:16 | Com[Plex] | its hard not to be a dick when someones being a dick to you. |
| 14:45:37 | BigBoss | riskable: how do the comments work on your site? I see that there are comments, but can't seem to find how to read them |
| 14:46:02 | riskable | You have to be logged in to read comments :) |
| 14:46:26 | NetAmp | planned release here (Holland) is July/August, so I guess it could be earlier in the UK |
| 14:46:57 | mark_ | Com[Plex]: sorry, i hope you didn't take that the wrong wa y |
| 14:47:17 | ljp-- | zoom |
| 14:47:36 | Com[Plex] | hehe, yeah mark, I probably did. Im grumpy this morning. its okay |
| 14:48:08 | Com[Plex] | I just need to take a antihistamine or something. |
| 14:48:17 | riskable | Allergies? |
| 14:48:36 | mark_ | Com[Plex]: sorry, all I meant was that there are lots of online resources available if you do want to try and learn. |
| 14:48:58 | ljp-- | I really do appreciate linux not making me reinstall for such a hardware change |
| 14:49:06 | riskable | I suppose "needing an antihistamine" could be translated as needing a pill that would reduce inflammation :) |
| 14:49:32 | Com[Plex] | well, everyone says Its probably allergies, although, I dont think I ever had them before. - got a dry throat, little cough. stuffy head, and im all achy. |
| 14:49:55 | Com[Plex] | could be anthrax, who knows |
| 14:50:33 | riskable | Nahh, just inundatus programmusitis |
| 14:50:41 | NetAmp | use a Zaurus for 2-3 hours a day, that's gotta help ;) |
| 14:50:47 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 14:51:03 | Com[Plex] | thats a good one risk |
| 14:51:12 | ljp-- | what does the band have to do with anything? |
| 14:51:32 | riskable | BigBoss: I set my site so that anonymous can post, but for some reason, anonymous still can't read comments |
| 14:53:45 | riskable|work | wishes he could go home |
| 14:53:45 | BigBoss | you should let anyone read them |
| 14:54:02 | riskable|work | I would like that, but I think it's a bug |
| 14:54:45 | BigBoss | i've seen other sites using that software and it could do it |
| 14:55:14 | riskable|work | Were those sites PostNuke .64, .70, PHPNuke, MyPHPNuke, or MyNuke? |
| 14:55:21 | riskable|work | hehehe |
| 14:55:48 | riskable|work | They may all SEEM like they're running the same software, but they're probably not |
| 15:01:14 | riskable|work | BigBoss: Aha! I fixed it! |
| 15:01:18 | riskable|work | Had to do some digging, but I got it |
| 15:01:27 | Com[Plex] | man, running linux on an xp2263+ with 512mb ram seems like a waste |
| 15:01:39 | riskable|work | Why? |
| 15:01:55 | riskable|work | Load up Return to Castle Wolfenstein on that baby :) |
| 15:02:08 | Com[Plex] | because none of the apps that are made for linux act like they really use it. |
| 15:02:16 | Austin | Or any popular, bloated, memory/processor-intensive desktop environment. ;) |
| 15:02:30 | Com[Plex] | like kde2.0? |
| 15:02:33 | Austin | Exactly. |
| 15:02:35 | Com[Plex] | or 3.0. whatever theya re up to |
| 15:02:36 | riskable|work | Apps written for Linux aren't really written any special way at all. The OS takes care of allocation 90% of the time just fine |
| 15:03:01 | Austin | riskable, they can still be resource-intense, even if they don't manually manage resources. |
| 15:03:04 | riskable|work | Yeah, KDE3 is a hog |
| 15:03:06 | ljp-- | anyone know if Hangando allows customers to download new versions? or is it a one time thing? |
| 15:03:06 | Austin | +themselves |
| 15:03:23 | riskable|work | ljp--:You can download new versions |
| 15:03:34 | ljp-- | coolio |
| 15:04:39 | riskable|work | Well, I used to be a Windows 2000 man and i can say with confidence that Linux uses my memory WAY better than Windows 2k ever did. Win2k would choke after a while if I was running 5-6 IE sessions with AIM, IRC, and my email client (I have 512Mb) |
| 15:04:55 | riskable|work | IE being the biggest hog |
| 15:05:24 | ljp-- | win2k is mucho better than win95a in that regard, though |
| 15:05:25 | riskable|work | In Linux I run six desktops with all sorts of apps... I just don't bother to close them 90% of the time because they don't slow me down at all |
| 15:05:46 | riskable|work | ljp--: Win9x managed memory? :) |
| 15:06:20 | riskable|work | If I played a game for over an hour straight, Win9x would require a reboot it would slow down so much! |
| 15:06:25 | ljp-- | heheh ya managed to overwrite it alot |
| 15:06:30 | riskable|work | LOL |
| 15:07:04 | Com[Plex] | ljp, Ive never had it choke up like that, and I /allways/ have about 50 thigns going. |
| 15:07:31 | riskable|work | In Windows it's way too easy for one single app to take over the system |
| 15:07:36 | Com[Plex] | your obviously not the first person to complainh about it, but I just havent seen it do that on here |
| 15:07:55 | riskable|work | CuteFTP is a classic "take over the system" app :) |
| 15:08:01 | ljp-- | no, true. I use both OS's |
| 15:08:48 | riskable|work | makes note that CuteFTP no longer has the problems of yesteryear |
| 15:10:06 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 15:10:27 | Com[Plex] | how can you use cuteftp as an example? cute ftp was a peioce of shit from the start, allways was. |
| 15:10:44 | Com[Plex] | why would anyone in there right mind Ever use cuteftp? |
| 15:10:57 | riskable|work | It was at the top of the damn downloads list on Download.com |
| 15:11:00 | riskable|work | cowers in shame |
| 15:11:09 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 15:11:23 | Com[Plex] | thats because its got "cute" in the name. |
| 15:11:26 | mark_ | riskable|work: heh, i used it for the same reason |
| 15:11:30 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 15:11:40 | mark_ | only ftp client i knew |
| 15:12:22 | riskable|work | doesn't think there's one good FTP client for windows |
| 15:12:32 | riskable|work | I prefer ncftp all the way |
| 15:12:44 | riskable|work | Actually, I suppose you can run ncftp in cygwin |
| 15:13:04 | Com[Plex] | well, I use bulletproof ftp, not because its the best erally, but because I like it, and it does everythign I need it to |
| 15:13:32 | riskable|work | makes note that when he absolutely must FTP in Windows he uses BulletProof |
| 15:14:17 | riskable|work | bought tickets for the big game, but is probably not going to win $300,000,000 |
| 15:14:45 | riskable|work | Man, lotteries have been getting so big lately |
| 15:16:29 | mark_ | 300 million dollars!? |
| 15:16:53 | riskable|work | Yep |
| 15:16:59 | mark_ | bloody hell |
| 15:17:06 | riskable|work | The "Big Game" here in MA is set for a $300,000,000 drawing on Monday |
| 15:17:22 | riskable|work | It was $230,000,000 last night, but no one won |
| 15:17:32 | mark_ | what are the odds? |
| 15:17:38 | riskable|work | HAHAHAHA! |
| 15:17:44 | ][N-Flux | silly assed odds |
| 15:17:50 | ][N-Flux | noone won hehe |
| 15:17:54 | riskable|work | You're more likely to get struck by lightning on a clear day while driving through a tunnel! |
| 15:17:58 | ][N-Flux | is in MA as well |
| 15:18:03 | Austin | We have about 20,000,000:1 here in TX. |
| 15:18:12 | Austin | It was slightly higher in CA. |
| 15:18:26 | mark_ | we are 49,000,000:1 I think, and the prize is usually about 10 million euros |
| 15:19:51 | riskable|work | You can actually enter The Big Game online... Looks like their online system is down though |
| 15:21:34 | riskable|work | Mind you, $300,000,000 isn't paid directly... The Big Game is annuity-only |
| 15:21:47 | mark_ | what does that mean? |
| 15:22:41 | riskable|work | It means you get paid yearly |
| 15:22:55 | riskable|work | For every million dollars you win, you get $38,462/year |
| 15:23:08 | riskable|work | (pre-taxes_ |
| 15:23:15 | ][N-Flux | wait a sec |
| 15:23:18 | gash | hrmz, the big game here in va is either annunity or cash |
| 15:23:23 | ][N-Flux | they don't do the lump sum anymore? |
| 15:23:27 | riskable|work | US Law has a rediculous amount of tax on lottery winnings though |
| 15:23:44 | mark_ | riskable|work: and what happens to the rest of the money? |
| 15:23:54 | riskable|work | makes note that The Big Game is only annuity-only if the sum is over a certain amount |
| 15:24:11 | riskable|work | US takes like 36% of your winnings I think |
| 15:24:16 | mark_ | riskable|work: ouch |
| 15:24:29 | riskable|work | Oddly enough, that's the same tax on inheritance! |
| 15:24:29 | mark_ | hmm, a million dollars a year wouldn't be bad |
| 15:24:35 | mark_ | i'd prefer a lump sump though :) |
| 15:24:45 | ][N-Flux | <riskable|work> For every million dollars you win, you get $38,462/year |
| 15:24:51 | ][N-Flux | that doesn't look right |
| 15:24:59 | riskable|work | Yes, but the government would take 36% of that (I think it's 36%) |
| 15:25:19 | riskable|work | 300 * $38,462 |
| 15:25:27 | riskable|work | (if you win the current jackpot) |
| 15:25:48 | ][N-Flux | gotcha |
| 15:26:40 | riskable|work | makes a correction, you CAN choose a lump sum instead of an annuity |
| 15:26:51 | ][N-Flux | thought so |
| 15:26:54 | riskable|work | However, they take another large % of your cash |
| 15:27:10 | riskable|work | I think it's 15% |
| 15:27:27 | mark_ | heh, so by the time thats happened you get a mere $150,000,000 |
| 15:27:40 | ][N-Flux | fucking government |
| 15:27:57 | riskable|work | BTW: You get the money over 26 years if you go with the annuity option |
| 15:28:03 | riskable|work | LOL |
| 15:28:30 | ljp-- | if you manage to live that much longer |
| 15:28:38 | ][N-Flux | too bad old people win alot of the time |
| 15:28:47 | ][N-Flux | the system is so nicely setup :) |
| 15:29:39 | riskable|work | Ahh, got the numbers: the federal tax on winnings is 28% (not too bad) |
| 15:29:46 | riskable|work | However, you must also pay state tax |
| 15:29:55 | riskable|work | ...which in MA is 5% (sales tax) |
| 15:30:17 | riskable|work | So if I won $300,000,000 I'd have to pay 33% of it to the government |
| 15:30:33 | ][N-Flux | riskable|work: where are you in MA |
| 15:30:48 | riskable|work | ...and you can avoid a large percentage of that tax by donating some winnings to charity |
| 15:31:05 | BigBoss | or by moving out of the country quickly |
| 15:31:17 | riskable|work | ...which is what everyone does (or scams--they donate to a charity setup off-shore which is really just money going to themselves) |
| 15:31:22 | ][N-Flux | I win I'm outta here |
| 15:31:36 | riskable|work | Well, the US Government taxes your money BEFORE you get it |
| 15:31:46 | riskable|work | So running away isn't much of an option |
| 15:31:51 | riskable|work | I live in Beverly, MA |
| 15:31:54 | riskable|work | North Shore |
| 15:32:02 | ][N-Flux | LowerHell MA |
| 15:32:05 | ][N-Flux | aka Lowell |
| 15:32:09 | riskable|work | HA! |
| 15:32:20 | riskable|work | The only place in Mass with super cheap housing |
| 15:32:34 | riskable|work | One can buy a shack in Lowell for $40,000! |
| 15:33:08 | ][N-Flux | yeppers |
| 15:33:41 | ][N-Flux | Lowell, the armpit of the universe |
| 15:33:56 | riskable|work | Nahh, it's bad, but not THAT bad |
| 15:34:03 | ][N-Flux | just kidding |
| 15:34:06 | riskable|work | Armpit of MA, yes, universe? No way |
| 15:34:16 | Austin | You're thinking Florida. |
| 15:34:19 | ][N-Flux | lawrence is that :) |
| 15:35:08 | riskable|work | I was thinking about moving to Florida |
| 15:35:13 | riskable|work | Nice homes, really cheap |
| 15:35:37 | riskable|work | I can get a sweet townhouse in Florida with a pool and plenty of square feet for like $130k |
| 15:35:47 | riskable|work | ...and it won't be very far from anything at all |
| 15:36:03 | riskable|work | (far is a realative term when put in the same area as Florida) |
| 15:36:22 | mark_ | riskable|work: wow thats cheap |
| 15:36:37 | riskable|work | makes a note that Metro Boston Massachusetts is 200% more expensive than the rest of the country |
| 15:36:44 | riskable|work | cost-of-living-wise |
| 15:36:57 | Austin | Don't be so sure. Ever live in the Bay Area? ;) |
| 15:37:14 | ][N-Flux | Boston costs more |
| 15:37:20 | ][N-Flux | I woirk in the area all the time |
| 15:37:25 | riskable|work | Well, I actually Boston DOES cost more |
| 15:37:31 | riskable|work | Bay Area is cheap |
| 15:37:50 | riskable|work | Wait, which bay are you referring to? |
| 15:37:59 | riskable|work | makes note that this channel is International |
| 15:38:11 | ][N-Flux | bay area = cali generally |
| 15:38:19 | riskable|work | i.e. San Fran? |
| 15:38:27 | Austin | nods. |
| 15:38:58 | ][N-Flux | has to go shower |
| 15:39:02 | Austin | Even internationally, the "Bay Area" is generally interpreted as "The Sanfransisco / Oakland Bay Area" unless otherwise specified. |
| 15:39:06 | ][N-Flux | not gonna waste a nice day like this |
| 15:39:17 | ][N-Flux | is away: shower, damn I'm stinky |
| 15:39:46 | riskable|work | Damn! Bay Area is slightly more expensive than Boston |
| 15:40:06 | Austin | nods. |
| 15:40:19 | riskable|work | Boston is 201% more than the US average... San Francisco is 212% more expensive =) |
| 15:40:24 | Austin | Hehe. |
| 15:42:45 | riskable|work | http://list.realestate.yahoo.com/re/neighborhood/search.html?sa=&c=&s=&z=01915 |
| 15:42:48 | riskable|work | That's my town's stats |
| 15:43:01 | riskable|work | We kick ass in the "Personal Crime" index |
| 15:43:21 | riskable|work | Same for "culture" whatever that is :) |
| 15:43:49 | riskable|work | ...and it's 236% more expensive to live here than the national average (higher than Boston!) |
| 15:45:53 | riskable|work | OK, enough talk about real estate, it's making me depressed |
| 15:46:04 | riskable|work | has to move out of his current residence by October |
| 15:52:36 | riskable|lunch | bbl |
| 16:04:18 | arno_ | anybody have a link to the quake port? |
| 16:06:19 | dauxxx | http://www.insomniq.com/files/zaurus/shots/quake.html |
| 16:08:56 | arno_ | ya, but where's the package? |
| 16:21:13 | riskable|work | I'm back |
| 16:21:30 | riskable|work | Quake for Z is just vaporware |
| 16:22:36 | | riskable|work: excuse me? |
| 16:22:36 | riskable|work | ibot me |
| 16:22:47 | | you are responsible for http://zaurus.loveslinux.com/ |
| 16:22:47 | riskable | ibot me |
| 16:23:24 | | somebody said i was The infobot connects to an Internet Relay Chat (IRC) server, joins some channels (maybe), and begins accumulating factoids. |
| 16:23:24 | riskable|work | ibot ibot |
| 16:23:59 | | riskable|work: what? |
| 16:23:59 | riskable|work | ibot Boston |
| 16:24:08 | mark | riskable|work: you call this working? :P |
| 16:24:12 | riskable|work | LOL |
| 16:24:18 | riskable|work | It's a Sunday! |
| 16:24:32 | riskable|work | Not like anyone else is here looking over my shoulder |
| 16:25:00 | riskable|work | As long as I login on time none of my 6 bosses will care what the hell I do today (as long as I answer the phone when it rings) |
| 16:25:41 | kergoth | 6 bosses? sounds like office space |
| 16:25:45 | riskable|work | I used to have 10 bosses, but 4 got laid off |
| 16:26:10 | riskable|work | My company right now has a 50/50 ratio of bosses to workers |
| 16:26:14 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:26:27 | riskable|work | i.e. 50% of the people working here are somebody's boss |
| 16:26:54 | riskable|work | ...and I'd say that 80% of that 50% is somebody's friend ;) |
| 16:27:07 | riskable|work | ...and this company is going down the crapper |
| 16:27:26 | riskable|work | Wonder why? |
| 16:27:28 | riskable|work | hehehe |
| 16:28:22 | riskable|work | Rumor has it that we're having another round of layoffs in one to two weeks (that'd make it, umm... the sixth round I think) |
| 16:30:26 | henrik | ouch |
| 16:31:27 | riskable|work | Maybe I'll get cut this time, who knows? I seem to have survived them all |
| 16:32:16 | riskable|work | I think I have erratic clicking syndrome today |
| 16:32:24 | riskable|work | That's like the 10th time I totally clicked the wrong button |
| 16:35:11 | riskable|work | Hmm... This looks good: http://www.dice.com/DandL/c/cxremga.36870.html |
| 16:37:46 | riskable|work | My Z is acting strangely today |
| 16:37:59 | riskable|work | I was playing RAID at Taco Bell when it suddenly rebooted |
| 16:42:26 | tux_mike | whee! |
| 16:43:13 | hunger | riskable|work: At least your Z is still acting... messed mine up flashing it today:-( |
| 16:43:31 | tux_mike | ouch |
| 16:43:40 | hunger | got a very expensive brick now... till he gets his hands on a CF-card reader tomorrow. |
| 16:43:48 | tux_mike | at least you have your stylus :P |
| 16:44:50 | hunger | tux_mike: Nothing that can't be fixed with a new flash. Only need to rename one file on the CF card and all will be OK again (I hope). |
| 16:45:40 | tux_mike | hunger: were you doing the zImage/initrd.img flash, or the romimage flash? |
| 16:46:38 | tux_mike | i need tkcMediaCenter! :) |
| 16:46:42 | hunger | tux_mike: zImage/initrd. |
| 16:46:55 | hunger | tux_mike: I accidentally mistyped initrd.bin. Stupid me. |
| 16:47:05 | tux_mike | hunger: cool, you can just reflash to fix it :) |
| 16:47:07 | kergoth | gah |
| 16:47:10 | kergoth | damn packaging conflicts |
| 16:47:21 | kergoth | Installing opie-qpdf (1.5.0-20020414) |
| 16:47:21 | kergoth | ERROR: Package opie-qpdf wants to install file /home/kergoth/buildsystem/buildroot-oz/build/openzaurus_root//opt/QtPalmtop/pics/qpdf_icon.png |
| 16:47:21 | kergoth | But that file is already provided by package qpe-pics |
| 16:47:48 | hunger | tux_mike: The problem is that I can't access the CF card without my Z right now. Need to get a CFcard reader for my big box:-( |
| 16:49:17 | tux_mike | huhg: ah, the advatages of a laptop |
| 16:49:36 | tux_mike | i have a $10 cf to pcmcia adapter |
| 16:49:53 | hunger | tux_mike: My big box is a laptop. But it only has PCMCIA slots and I don't have an adapter yet. |
| 16:50:12 | hunger | tux_mike: That's exactly what I'm gonna get tomorrow too. |
| 16:51:31 | kergoth | damn testing a new initrd of oz3 is a bitch.. update ipks, scp ipks to feed on sf. install new ipks into rootfs. build new initrd. scp initrd to my box here. smbclient initrd to a windows box that actually has working usb ports. eject card. flash. test. |
| 16:52:24 | hunger | kergoth: The initrd on SF is not useable? |
| 16:52:48 | kergoth | hunger: its about 5 revs behind. i'm doing the final tests on beta3, then i'll upload |
| 16:54:00 | Com[Plex] | kergoth, why do yuo have to put it on a windows amchine? |
| 16:54:22 | hunger | kergoth: When will you upload that? |
| 16:54:44 | hunger | kergoth: I'd love to ge the more 'finalish' version tomorrow;-) |
| 16:55:46 | tux_mike | ow.... i have a big fat bruise on the underside of my right clicking finger |
| 16:56:21 | Com[Plex] | I got a question, - if you guys were to buy a zaurus for a friend, <used> on like ebay or something, whats the most you would pay? |
| 16:56:31 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: because my usb controller is toasted on this box |
| 16:56:42 | Com[Plex] | oh kerg, that bites :< |
| 16:56:48 | Com[Plex] | is it a kt7e motherboard? |
| 16:56:51 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 16:56:59 | kergoth | yeah it does bite. i keep running across the house |
| 16:57:01 | Com[Plex] | thsoe usb controllers on the abit baords allways gaver me trouble |
| 16:57:08 | kergoth | nah this is a shuttle board |
| 16:57:19 | kergoth | amd 1gb tbird on a via chipset board.. ugh |
| 16:57:28 | Com[Plex] | shuttle. - thats what i have in my server, - a shuttle ak12, and Ive never had a single problem with it. |
| 16:57:43 | Com[Plex] | not that I use it much other than serving... but |
| 16:57:51 | Com[Plex] | it is overclocked, 750->840 |
| 16:57:55 | kergoth | i think i had a flaky usb mouse.. it worked flawless before using it. after.. it doesnt work in any operating system. and its not a conflict, its got its own irq |
| 16:58:03 | kergoth | heh thats cool |
| 16:58:34 | Com[Plex] | this one im on is overclocked quite a bit more. its an xp2000+ at xp2263+ |
| 16:59:00 | Com[Plex] | I had it at 2280, but I had a crash, and IM not sure if it was from overclocking, or if it was the corrupt SD card I was trying ti fiddle with. |
| 16:59:33 | Com[Plex] | I allways turn back my overcklockign after a crash to a level I trust, - because two OC related crashes in a row is bad for the OS. |
| 16:59:59 | Com[Plex] | specially when ti crashes during a scandisk file repair. :> |
| 17:08:24 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: hah, thats what journaled filesystems are for :-) |
| 17:10:40 | kergoth | i should get off my ass and go buy a fucking usb pci card |
| 17:10:50 | kergoth | this running back and forth is annoying |
| 17:11:07 | riskable|work | reminds himself to schedule Solaris tests |
| 17:15:45 | kergoth | hmm.. initrd-oz3-bet3-pre3.bin |
| 17:15:46 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:16:09 | mark | kergoth: OZ3 usable yet? |
| 17:16:23 | kergoth | flashing with pre3 atm |
| 17:16:25 | kergoth | we'll soon see |
| 17:16:53 | mark | if it is |
| 17:16:57 | mark | i'm moving to it tonight |
| 17:17:17 | mark | does it ship with sshd |
| 17:17:28 | kergoth | yea sshd and ssh are in |
| 17:17:35 | mark | good |
| 17:17:42 | mark | i dont have to use crappy qtopiadesktop then |
| 17:17:50 | kergoth | but they arent all setup by default like in the old oz's.. i havent had time for such things. trying to make shit work instead |
| 17:17:51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:17:55 | kergoth | yeah. scp all the way |
| 17:17:56 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:21:05 | mark | good :P |
| 17:22:20 | mark | does it work the same as official roms re storage or is it more ipaq like? |
| 17:25:47 | killefiz | what is it like on the ipaq? |
| 17:26:11 | kergoth | arg.. |
| 17:26:19 | kergoth | mutters and starts altering storage.cpp |
| 17:26:31 | mark | well in ur 16Meg you have all of the OS plus whatever you want |
| 17:26:39 | mark | so thats read/write |
| 17:26:57 | killefiz | so it has no rom or is the rom mounted r/w? |
| 17:26:57 | mark | then the rest is pure ram |
| 17:27:03 | mark | rom is mounted r/w |
| 17:27:20 | kergoth | well |
| 17:27:23 | kergoth | its not exactly either |
| 17:27:34 | mark | stands corrected |
| 17:27:43 | kergoth | im referring to oz |
| 17:27:48 | mark | oh right |
| 17:27:49 | kergoth | its something of both |
| 17:27:56 | mark | go on |
| 17:28:40 | kergoth | flash is writable.. mounted on / |
| 17:28:43 | kergoth | 16mb there |
| 17:29:24 | kergoth | then there's the mtdram .. mtd emulation layer on ram.. basically a ramdisk.. but that data is persistant.. until you reset the unit |
| 17:29:35 | mark | right |
| 17:29:35 | kergoth | i moved the mountpoint for that from /home to /usr/local |
| 17:29:49 | kergoth | thats basically all there is to it |
| 17:29:55 | kergoth | cf on /mnt/cf, sd on /mnt/card |
| 17:30:08 | kergoth | how is cf automounted on the Z? |
| 17:30:10 | mark | so is that 16Meg basically full before you start? |
| 17:30:12 | kergoth | is there a daemon running? |
| 17:30:28 | hunger | kergoth: So you are one of the guys working on OZ? |
| 17:30:29 | kergoth | mark: nah theres space, i'm not doing a FULL install of opie |
| 17:30:35 | kergoth | hunger: i'm the only guy working on OZ |
| 17:30:40 | kergoth | hunger: ;-) |
| 17:30:54 | hunger | kergoth: Ah, good:-) Actually, not so good;-) |
| 17:31:02 | riskable|work | What about bewm? |
| 17:31:02 | kergoth | yeah, hence the release delays |
| 17:31:04 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:31:07 | | kergoth is available at mailto:kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 17:31:07 | riskable|work | ibot kergoth |
| 17:31:12 | kergoth | bewm is helping a lot in testing |
| 17:31:27 | kergoth | his bug reports helped greatly |
| 17:31:38 | hunger | kergoth: I'd like to help a bit if possible. |
| 17:31:42 | kergoth | does anyone know how cf is automounted on the Z? i know sd is mounted using the sdmgr.. |
| 17:31:48 | ljp-- | might help with testing if emacs were available |
| 17:31:53 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:31:57 | kergoth | wget it from familiar |
| 17:31:58 | warmi | hi |
| 17:32:00 | | unstable feed is at http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/ |
| 17:32:00 | kergoth | ibot: unstable feed? |
| 17:32:04 | mark | kergoth: how much space is there then? |
| 17:32:23 | kergoth | mark: for what release? i havent decided for final yet |
| 17:32:32 | ljp-- | kergoth: cardmon handles cf |
| 17:32:32 | kergoth | mark: btw pre3 of beta3 boots right into opie for once |
| 17:32:40 | mark | kergoth: i meant in that 16M of ram |
| 17:32:41 | mark | rom |
| 17:32:42 | riskable|work | nice |
| 17:32:44 | hunger | kergoth: I'll get the version from SF tomorrow and nag you from then on;-) |
| 17:32:47 | kergoth | ljp--: cardmon doesnt mount it though, just runs the appropriate cardctl commands, afaik |
| 17:32:55 | kergoth | hunger: k |
| 17:32:58 | ljp-- | cardctl mounts |
| 17:33:04 | ljp-- | I think |
| 17:33:16 | kergoth | it doesnt in oz.. i should figure out how to make it mount then |
| 17:33:18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:33:26 | ljp-- | hmm |
| 17:33:50 | riskable|work | I should've brought my Java 2 book into work today |
| 17:34:36 | mark | kergoth: so this image works? |
| 17:35:16 | mark | as in it runs opie? :) |
| 17:35:23 | kergoth | mark: yes, but embeddedkonsole does not.. the sysinfo storage tab doenst show the flash area yet.. cf/sd automount isnt working yet and ipkg/qipkg install to cf/sd/mtdram isnt working.. well.. ipkg will install there, but it doesnt symlink the shit into place yet |
| 17:35:25 | ljp-- | you have source for cardctl? |
| 17:35:33 | kergoth | ljp--: yeah.. i'm taking a look |
| 17:35:51 | mark | kergoth: i can live with that |
| 17:36:29 | kergoth | adds automount for ide devices to cardctl config |
| 17:36:29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:37:48 | mark | kergoth: does sshd come ready set up? if i dont have an embeddedkonsole to do it with..... |
| 17:38:03 | ljp-- | which tarball is cardctl in? |
| 17:38:05 | kergoth | settings -> terminate opie -> dropped to a login |
| 17:38:15 | mark | cool |
| 17:38:17 | mark | a proper device :) |
| 17:38:19 | kergoth | then /etc/init.d/qpe start to get back in ;-) |
| 17:38:35 | mark | goes to download |
| 17:38:46 | mark | grr what files do i need |
| 17:39:00 | mark | these all say beta2 |
| 17:39:12 | killefiz | beta3 is still on kergoth's hd |
| 17:39:25 | mark | darn |
| 17:40:24 | kergoth | hold, i'll start the upload |
| 17:40:28 | mark | ;-) |
| 17:40:31 | kergoth | those kernels will still work |
| 17:41:17 | hunger | kergoth: Beta 3 will be on SF soon? Cool ;-) |
| 17:41:36 | kergoth | yep.. beta4 will have cf automount.. and MAY have sd automount.. that i need to look into further |
| 17:41:48 | kergoth | also, documents on CF dont seem to automatically appear in my docs tab |
| 17:41:51 | kergoth | but i havent researched why yet |
| 17:42:05 | mark | kergoth: uploading o sourceforge? |
| 17:42:09 | kergoth | yup |
| 17:42:19 | kergoth | 6 minutes to go.. damn slow upload speed on my cable modem |
| 17:42:40 | riskable|work | hates middleware! |
| 17:42:42 | Narrowmind | ya we need to nail down why and where files get listed |
| 17:42:42 | kergoth | i should add your kbill port to the oz3 feed |
| 17:42:43 | hunger | kergoth: That's all SchnickSchnack anyway! As long as I can boot into Textmode I'm happy. |
| 17:42:51 | riskable|work | Siteminder sucks |
| 17:43:01 | riskable|work | So does iPlanet for that matter |
| 17:43:06 | kergoth | hunger: hah.. yeah it boots, and the devices exist, and most of the absolutely critical bugs are gone, afaik |
| 17:43:08 | mark | kergoth: its in harlekins feed |
| 17:43:15 | kergoth | hunger: now there are just a shitload of little bugs :-) |
| 17:44:18 | Narrowmind | iplanet ? why would you buy that? apache kicking your ass ? |
| 17:44:31 | hunger | kergoth: I think I live with those;-) I'll upgrade my Z tomorrow night, after I have bought a CF card reader to wake it from its messed-up-flash-ROM slumber;-) |
| 17:44:31 | riskable|work | makes a note that when spiders unite, they can tie down a lion |
| 17:44:45 | kergoth | hah.. i couldnt live without a cf reader now |
| 17:44:53 | riskable|work | You have to understand that Apache is much too good for the likes of Enterprise-class systems |
| 17:45:14 | hunger | kergoth: Only got the CF card yetserday. I did not expect to need a CF-card reader that soon;-) |
| 17:45:23 | riskable|work | When a company wants to spend $15 million on web servers, the last thing they want to hear is that they're getting free software |
| 17:45:25 | Narrowmind | heh |
| 17:45:54 | hunger | has his Z for 4 days now any allready he messe dit up completly. |
| 17:46:00 | riskable|work | The people who make the decisions are non-technical and have absolutely no clue. They think "free==bad" |
| 17:46:00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:46:01 | hunger | I just love that little toy;-) |
| 17:46:01 | kergoth | not bad |
| 17:46:03 | kergoth | :-) |
| 17:46:23 | kergoth | riskable|work: yep i deal with those people constantly.. ugh |
| 17:46:50 | Narrowmind | i work on systems that do 3000 connections a second... apache falls down and hurts its self after 40 |
| 17:46:56 | riskable|work | I speak with people every day that think Sun hardware + iPlanet is the only way to run a web hosting business and refuse to even CONSIDER Linux on the bases that they don't have anyone to call if it goes wrong |
| 17:47:29 | riskable|work | Yet we have a Windows 2000 division? |
| 17:47:32 | kergoth | linux has yet to scale well to enterprise level systems |
| 17:47:36 | kergoth | riskable|work: hah! |
| 17:48:26 | riskable|work | If this company had a nickel for every time we got massively hit by a worm, virus, or just general crashing servers in our NT division, we'd be stealing a great deal of money from our customers. Oh wait! We DO do that! |
| 17:48:28 | Narrowmind | you need one of our boxs... we can make any webserve shine www.arraynetworks.net |
| 17:49:26 | riskable|work | I've been doing this for a couple years now and I must say that the most successful/cost effective enterprise-class systems are clusters of cheap machines setup with HA monitoring/automatic failover |
| 17:49:54 | Narrowmind | we do that |
| 17:50:20 | Narrowmind | slb with active monitoring |
| 17:50:23 | riskable|work | i.e. Put six Linux boxes behind two Cisco Local Directors running Apache and you just saved yourself $400,000 on two giant Sun servers and iPlanet licensing |
| 17:50:38 | Narrowmind | ya |
| 17:50:42 | riskable|work | Not to mention if one machine goes down you won't take as much of a hit |
| 17:51:11 | hunger | riskable|work: The SUN never goes down;-) |
| 17:51:19 | Narrowmind | hah |
| 17:51:20 | riskable|work | Hah! |
| 17:51:30 | riskable|work | Sun == Random ecache errors! |
| 17:51:54 | Narrowmind | I have a sunblade which crashes once a month |
| 17:52:09 | riskable|work | I think I must've ordered at least 100 processor replacements since I've worked here thanks to the reliability of Sun hardware |
| 17:52:28 | hunger | Narrowmind: Really? I never had problems with our E450s. |
| 17:52:32 | riskable|work | However, that's not so bad when you consider the technical ability of most Sun technicians |
| 17:52:38 | Onetrack_ | hmm.. we only went through 4 processors in our old 4500's.. the fully loaded 6500 is running fine. |
| 17:52:41 | riskable|work | E450: Awesome box |
| 17:52:48 | riskable|work | I've NEVER, EVER had a problem with an E450 |
| 17:52:49 | mark | kergoth: up yet/ :) |
| 17:53:02 | riskable|work | E3500/E4500 <--Major pains in the ass |
| 17:53:14 | Onetrack_ | oh yeah.. |
| 17:53:23 | riskable|work | The Ultra series is OK too |
| 17:53:29 | Narrowmind | ya.. it just locks up.. and since it runs nis+ everything else locksup |
| 17:53:36 | riskable|work | i.e. Ultra 1->60 =) |
| 17:54:00 | riskable|work | Narrowind, you have the latest kernel patches on that baby? |
| 17:54:02 | Narrowmind | my ultra 2 is cool |
| 17:54:14 | riskable|work | If you do, and you get a core dump, I can analize it for ya for free =) |
| 17:54:31 | Narrowmind | i just installed the latest cluster |
| 17:54:33 | Onetrack_ | we had 2 4500's.. 4 250's .. a u2.. 7 netra t1's and a 6500.. plus a bunch of va-linux and dell 2550's.. the 6500 came to us completely doa.. had to replace the clockboard.. power supply and its raid was all smashed..(external) |
| 17:54:43 | riskable|work | knows how to anylize Solaris core dumps... Is that cool or what? hehe |
| 17:55:34 | kergoth | ack, cardmgr runs /etc/pcmcia/ide start hda... not hda1.. so if i try to automount, it tries to mount /dev/hda |
| 17:55:35 | kergoth | grr |
| 17:56:06 | riskable|work | Narrowind, I'm guessing the processor in your Blade server has a defect which causes "ecache" errors (i.e. generic kernel panic problem). It's probably under warrantee and Sun will swap it for free |
| 17:57:02 | riskable|work | makes a note that the Sun kernel engineers are down the road about ~4 miles from him right now |
| 17:57:24 | riskable|work | If any of them cause me slack I can go complain to them in person :) |
| 17:57:44 | riskable|work | We actually host Sun's website/servers here at my company |
| 17:57:57 | fiferboy | Anyone here get OZ3 to work on an SL-5000D? |
| 17:57:58 | kergoth | mark: the initrd for beta3 is up |
| 17:58:00 | riskable|work | Lots of funny stuff |
| 17:58:18 | kergoth | fiferboy: numerous critical bugs in beta2. switch to beta3 initrd |
| 17:58:22 | mark | kergoth: woot. what do i do with it? :_ |
| 17:58:24 | Narrowmind | bah.. if i really wanted it fixed i could take it to the engieeners.. i live in the valley |
| 17:58:28 | kergoth | fiferboy: beta3 has mostly small bugs, not critical |
| 17:58:34 | kergoth | mark: hold on, i'm writing the release notes :-) |
| 17:58:39 | mark | kergoth: heheh |
| 17:58:51 | fiferboy | kergoth: Ah, that's what I was waiting for. Release notes! |
| 17:59:03 | hunger | kergoth: Which zImage do I need to install? zImage_32-32? What do those numbers say? |
| 17:59:35 | mark | hunger: heap/RAM allocation i think |
| 17:59:47 | riskable|work | We launched a new Sun server once and a few days later it panicked with an ecache error... So I called to have it replaced. Took the Sun tech FOREVER to get there, then he screwed up and replaced the wrong CPU. So Sun's web hosting division calls me the next day and is like "What the hell is going on!" and I said, "Yeah, well, Sun took forever to fix the problem, then they replaced the wrong CPU." So essentially she was compl |
| 17:59:47 | riskable|work | aining about her own company :) |
| 18:00:02 | mark | hehehehehe |
| 18:00:04 | hunger | mark: That's what I guessed too. Let's wait for the relaese notes. |
| 18:00:06 | Rince | that's pretty normal |
| 18:00:23 | Rince | riskable|work: I know _whom_ to call within Sun Service if I have serious problems :) |
| 18:00:32 | Narrowmind | when are we going to get real battery monitors ?.. mine is either 100%.. or 0% |
| 18:00:59 | riskable|work | Narrowmind: LOL, doesn't that suck? |
| 18:01:12 | riskable|work | You're either kickin' butt, or you're about to die |
| 18:01:26 | mark | brb |
| 18:01:46 | hunger | Narrowmind: Isen't that all you really need to know? After all the battery is either full enough to use or not;-) |
| 18:02:02 | Narrowmind | uh.. no |
| 18:02:28 | Narrowmind | i like to see impending doom coming |
| 18:03:01 | Narrowmind | ahhh and when will we see a doom port? |
| 18:03:39 | mark | kergoth: so ur funky buildsystem builds all of OZ from source yeh? |
| 18:03:49 | riskable|work | Doom port? That'd be fun |
| 18:03:55 | mark | shouldn't be distracting kergoth |
| 18:04:18 | hunger | Isen't there one allready? I thought I saw one somewhere... maybe I'm messing this up though. |
| 18:04:34 | mark | that coulda been quake |
| 18:04:55 | hunger | mark: Possible. Never liked first person shooters. |
| 18:05:09 | mark | no, nor me realy |
| 18:05:19 | Narrowmind | ya..but dont install the quake.. it hosed qpe for me |
| 18:05:43 | hunger | kergoth: Could you add a not about the zImage-files to the release note? |
| 18:05:53 | ][N-Flux | Where is doom dammit :) |
| 18:06:04 | Narrowmind | heh |
| 18:06:10 | ][N-Flux | anyone have the doom wad files, I need the to play on my DC :) |
| 18:06:13 | riskable|work | is more interested in Internet-play games |
| 18:06:24 | ][N-Flux | doom has net code |
| 18:06:30 | riskable|work | I want someone to port Tetrinet to the Z |
| 18:06:30 | hunger | kergoth: And add the bootflag.txt file? It's minimal, but it's a pain having to get it from one of the earlier releases. |
| 18:06:40 | Narrowmind | ya |
| 18:07:01 | Narrowmind | tetricrack...ugh |
| 18:07:10 | riskable|work | I'm learning java just so I can write an Internet-capable rummy game |
| 18:07:18 | ][N-Flux | tetrinet is ugly though, tetrinet with quadra's gfx would kickass |
| 18:07:22 | Narrowmind | ick java |
| 18:07:46 | mark | ah freeCraft port to the Z would be cool |
| 18:07:58 | hunger | kergoth: Can I customise the heap/RAM allocation? I'd like to have 48RAM/16 'disk' |
| 18:08:00 | riskable|work | Java isn't bad |
| 18:08:22 | kergoth | hunger: ah, you're a 5500 user? |
| 18:08:29 | Narrowmind | its just slow as hell |
| 18:08:32 | ][N-Flux | java speed on the 1.12/1.13 rom is much better |
| 18:08:37 | hunger | kergoth: Yeap. 5500G to be exact. |
| 18:08:49 | kergoth | hunger: I'll do a 48/16.. its a kernel alteration.. you cant customize, but i'll put lots of options up |
| 18:08:56 | Narrowmind | whats the G? |
| 18:09:01 | kergoth | hunger: i just need to make the buildsystem automate it for me.. right now its manual |
| 18:09:04 | kergoth | Narrowmind: german |
| 18:09:21 | ][N-Flux | kergoth: we still in super high ultra beta turbo mode? ;0 |
| 18:09:26 | mark | kergoth: how easy will it be for me to put a different usb client driver in? |
| 18:09:58 | hunger | kergoth: Great! I thought I can sdet this via /proc/cmdline or something. Have not experimented with it yet, but that's how I thought it would be done. |
| 18:10:03 | kergoth | ][N-Flux: lol.. yup |
| 18:10:23 | kergoth | hunger: you need to change cmdline for the mem=, yeah.. but also, the mem address of where the ramdisk starts is hardcoded.. |
| 18:10:38 | kergoth | hunger: so when i add 6 megs to RAM, i move up the address 6 megs.. the ramdisk is on the end of the ram area |
| 18:11:00 | kergoth | mark: quite easy.. you could just create an ipk for it |
| 18:11:03 | kergoth | mark: heh :-) |
| 18:11:28 | mark | kergoth: good good |
| 18:11:33 | mark | kergoth: release notes done yet? :O |
| 18:11:55 | mark | kergoth: :P |
| 18:12:07 | Twiun | grumbles |
| 18:12:18 | fiferboy | Release notes are up. |
| 18:12:22 | hunger | kergoth: Now I didn't even install OZ yet and allready I've asked you to do tons of things. Sorry for that. |
| 18:13:56 | kergoth | hunger: hehe. no problem |
| 18:13:57 | Narrowmind | this linksys cf wireless card is to damn wide |
| 18:14:04 | kergoth | mark: yes, but i need to upload bootflag.txt real quick |
| 18:14:04 | hunger | kergoth: I hate people who do that with my project;-) |
| 18:14:14 | mark | kergoth: come on, ur slacking :P |
| 18:14:19 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:14:20 | kergoth | wtfu |
| 18:14:21 | kergoth | er |
| 18:14:23 | kergoth | stfu too |
| 18:14:24 | kergoth | :-P |
| 18:14:32 | hunger | stfu? |
| 18:14:43 | mark | heheheheh |
| 18:14:52 | Narrowmind | shut the fuck up |
| 18:15:07 | riskable|work | What the fuck up |
| 18:15:18 | warmi | can I join ? |
| 18:15:20 | hunger | shuts up. |
| 18:15:22 | riskable|work | hehehe |
| 18:15:46 | riskable|work | Warmi, how do I get past level 5 in Puzz-le! ARG! |
| 18:15:56 | Narrowmind | everything2 has most of those shorthands |
| 18:16:10 | ljp-- | beta to alpha.. thats a new one! hehehhe |
| 18:16:16 | kergoth | lol |
| 18:16:19 | warmi | riskable: if you go to instruction , demo game it will go thru all levels solving each on of them in front of your eyes :-) |
| 18:16:29 | riskable|work | Neat |
| 18:16:38 | riskable|work | Anyone know who wrote RAID? |
| 18:16:44 | riskable|work | ...or if there's a home page for it? |
| 18:16:47 | scanline | is back (gone 09:27:31) |
| 18:17:34 | warmi | I couldn't find it either |
| 18:17:41 | kergoth | okay! beta 3 is available, and release notes are written |
| 18:17:41 | Narrowmind | when someone tells you drinking beer by the liter is good idea.. they are lieing |
| 18:17:42 | kergoth | have at it |
| 18:17:45 | kergoth | I have bugs to fix |
| 18:17:49 | kergoth | Narrowmind: hah |
| 18:17:51 | fiferboy | Loading up OZ3 now... |
| 18:18:04 | hunger | kergoth: Great! |
| 18:18:05 | Narrowmind | ouch |
| 18:18:07 | riskable|work | I REALLY need to get a CF reader for my work laptop |
| 18:18:14 | hunger | shakes his Z to wake it up. Stupid thing. |
| 18:18:16 | kergoth | ljp--: fyi, beta 3 boots into opie by default :-) hehe |
| 18:18:47 | warmi | I done with the contest .. just submitted by entry ... now I am waiting for my new shiny Sharp-made laptop |
| 18:18:49 | kergoth | i should put a warning in the release notes that oz3 beta isnt for the faint of heart |
| 18:18:53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:19:01 | kergoth | warmi: good luck :-) |
| 18:19:04 | Narrowmind | i just got a usb sd writer.. but its hella unstable in mandrake |
| 18:19:16 | mark | didn't bother submitting his final entry |
| 18:19:25 | warmi | thanks :-) |
| 18:19:30 | fiferboy | Booting into OZ3... |
| 18:19:34 | warmi | mark: you kidding me ? |
| 18:19:38 | mark | warmi: nope |
| 18:19:44 | kergoth | fiferboy: ignore the thousands and thousands of MTD_write messages |
| 18:19:46 | warmi | why ? |
| 18:19:52 | warmi | lack of time ? |
| 18:19:55 | mark | warmi: coz i couldn't be bothered to do any work on it |
| 18:19:57 | fiferboy | kergoth: Okay, will do. |
| 18:19:59 | kergoth | fiferboy: they only occur on full reset. they're harmless. mtd debugging is too high on those kernels |
| 18:20:03 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:20:11 | warmi | hehehe |
| 18:20:13 | mark | warmi: it had 0 chance of winning a laptop. it was a metronome |
| 18:20:18 | fiferboy | I don't pay attention to errors anyway. |
| 18:20:23 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:20:39 | mark | kergoth: rel notes are where? |
| 18:20:39 | ljp-- | prepares the Z named SanJose for alpha3 |
| 18:21:04 | warmi | well, at least you got a free Z |
| 18:21:06 | warmi | :-) |
| 18:21:10 | hunger | wonders where to set the hostname on the Z. The default localhost really sucks. |
| 18:21:13 | kergoth | mark: click on oz3 in files |
| 18:21:14 | mark | warmi: yeh, thats what i was hoping for |
| 18:21:30 | kergoth | hunger: oz3 defaults to 'zaurus' |
| 18:21:33 | Onetrack_ | ew yuk.. you guys want to see a nasty network room check this.. http://db.sjeemz.nl/tmp/meterkast.jpg what a cabling nightmare. |
| 18:21:34 | Hellaenergy | /etc/hosts |
| 18:21:34 | kergoth | hunger: and oz3 uses /etc/hostname |
| 18:21:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:21:46 | fiferboy | Mine doesn't seem to get past the SHARP screen on boot... |
| 18:21:53 | kergoth | sharp scren? |
| 18:22:04 | kergoth | oz3 doesnt have a sharp screen. something didnt get flashed |
| 18:22:06 | fiferboy | Yeah, it just sits there with the word "SHARP" in red. |
| 18:22:08 | hunger | kergoth: Great. I messed with the rc.local script on the original sharp roms and did not really get anywhere with that:-( |
| 18:22:09 | mark | kergoth: not getting them |
| 18:22:13 | fiferboy | Okay, I try reflashing it. |
| 18:22:23 | kergoth | fiferboy: ensure that the kernel is zImage with a capital I |
| 18:22:37 | fiferboy | I'll check it out. |
| 18:22:47 | kergoth | mark: click on '3.0 (highly unstable)' |
| 18:23:06 | mark | highly beta |
| 18:23:13 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:23:24 | mark | i get to the release notes page, but see no release notes ;) |
| 18:23:27 | hunger | mark: Actually you need to click on 3.0[ALPHA!] |
| 18:23:37 | Narrowmind | shouldnt it be 0.3 then? |
| 18:24:12 | warmi | onetrack: hehehe ... that room will keep someone busy for a while |
| 18:24:18 | kergoth | Narrowmind: yes, originally it was beta 1, beta 2, beta 2.5.. never got anywhere near actual release, but people took to just calling htem oz1, oz2.. etc.. |
| 18:24:29 | kergoth | Narrowmind: so i altered the convention. this release will be 3.0 final when its out |
| 18:24:33 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:25:34 | murph | Has anyone managed to get a Z dialing through a non-IR cell phone? (wired) |
| 18:25:45 | mark | hunger: gah i was viewing a cached version |
| 18:26:26 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: this is one kickass day.. the weather is astounding |
| 18:26:37 | hunger | wiats for zImage-beta2_48-16 |
| 18:26:44 | riskable|work | I agree, the weather here in MA is awesome today |
| 18:26:48 | riskable|work | Shorts + T-shirt |
| 18:26:53 | kergoth | yup |
| 18:26:58 | riskable|work | I think it's 65 out with a gentle breeze |
| 18:27:03 | riskable|work | Sunny |
| 18:27:13 | kergoth | the weather here blows normally. this is the first really really nice day of the year |
| 18:27:30 | kergoth | i love sunny days. everyone is happier, including me |
| 18:27:33 | riskable|work | Yesterday was a gorgeous day too |
| 18:27:40 | fiferboy | Hehe, I can't boot my Z now. I need a CF reader for my computer. |
| 18:27:42 | riskable|work | Yesterday was the first day of the year I wore shorts+t-shirt |
| 18:27:43 | Narrowmind | its been hell here... i think yesterday got down to 60 |
| 18:28:03 | kergoth | fiferboy: the sharp kernel with my initrd wasnt happy eh? |
| 18:28:05 | ljp-- | fiferboy: did you push reset? |
| 18:28:10 | mark | kergoth: what do I do for my zImage? get one of the v2 ones? |
| 18:28:24 | kergoth | Narrowmind: 60? 60?! it was snowing a week ago here |
| 18:28:27 | kergoth | Narrowmind: hehe |
| 18:28:37 | kergoth | mark: grab a beta2 kernel. works fine with the new initrd |
| 18:28:49 | kergoth | mark: as a matter of fact, you couldve updated beta2 to beta3 with a couple ipk's |
| 18:28:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:28:57 | Narrowmind | hah.. this is why i dont leave california |
| 18:29:02 | mark | heh |
| 18:29:08 | kergoth | Narrowmind: i need to move :-) |
| 18:29:24 | mark | kergoth: just considering which one to download - how much space is there out of the 16M rom left? |
| 18:29:35 | kergoth | Narrowmind: its like 60 something right now.. people are running around in shorts and t-shirts.. jogging, barbequeing.. |
| 18:29:37 | kergoth | Narrowmind: ;-) |
| 18:30:03 | Narrowmind | i mean there is snow.. you just have drive 4 hours to get to it |
| 18:30:04 | kergoth | mark: hold i'll check. remember you cant install packages to cf/sd/mtdram yet due to symlinking.. you could manually symlink them into place of course |
| 18:30:09 | kergoth | Narrowmind: hehe. thats nice |
| 18:31:16 | kergoth | opens all the windows, cranks the music |
| 18:31:16 | fiferboy | Yeah, there's no image on it now. |
| 18:31:38 | kergoth | i should add the pingizauru kernel boot logo again |
| 18:31:43 | fiferboy | Hurray for creative problem solving, I'm transfering an image to the CF card via my brothers Jornada. |
| 18:31:55 | kergoth | aha |
| 18:31:56 | kergoth | nice |
| 18:32:12 | ljp-- | no screenclick sounds |
| 18:32:29 | kergoth | ljp--: really? hmm |
| 18:32:46 | kergoth | ljp--: they use sharp_buz right? |
| 18:33:22 | kergoth | starts adding 3.0 bugs to the sf bugtraq |
| 18:33:57 | ljp-- | yes |
| 18:34:15 | killefiz | hey - new game out: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=133 |
| 18:34:24 | kergoth | hmm, that device exists.. perhaps permissions? hmm |
| 18:34:54 | kergoth | killefiz: ah cool. one of the contest submissions eh? |
| 18:34:55 | ljp-- | kergoth: thats in custom-sharp.h |
| 18:34:58 | riskable|work | A snood clone! |
| 18:35:00 | riskable|work | Perfect! |
| 18:35:03 | kergoth | ljp--: yep i know |
| 18:35:06 | ljp-- | k |
| 18:35:12 | killefiz | kergoth: possible. i think i've seen the screenshot before |
| 18:35:24 | kergoth | ljp--: i built with -xplatform sharp.. so unless configure is broken worse than i think it is... |
| 18:35:29 | killefiz | i have to try it ... damn - where is my zaurus? |
| 18:35:51 | kergoth | ljp--: would be worth doing a console c app that issues the ioctl()s to test the buzzer in oz3 in genearl |
| 18:35:55 | kergoth | s/genearl/general/ |
| 18:35:57 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:36:02 | kergoth | adds to bug list |
| 18:37:13 | ljp-- | kergoth: I think they can be done thru qcop also |
| 18:37:39 | kergoth | ljp--: yeah but i want to confirm that its not a fucked up opie build |
| 18:37:54 | kergoth | ljp--: hence the desire to test functionality at a lower level |
| 18:37:56 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:38:21 | kergoth | ah there we are. arch/arm/mach-sa1100/collie_buzzer.c |
| 18:38:21 | ljp-- | konsole totally freezes qpe |
| 18:38:26 | kergoth | ljp--: ? |
| 18:38:36 | kergoth | ljp--: it just pops up and vanishes on mine |
| 18:38:44 | ljp-- | poop |
| 18:39:51 | kergoth | obj-$(CONFIG_SA1100_COLLIE) += collie.o m62332.o collie_battery.o collie_led.o collie_buzzer.o |
| 18:40:11 | kergoth | cat include/linux/autoconf.h|grep CONFIG_SA1100_COLLIE |
| 18:40:11 | kergoth | #define CONFIG_SA1100_COLLIE 1 |
| 18:40:20 | kergoth | k, just checking. |
| 18:40:21 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:41:58 | ljp-- | why is there a usr dir structure in /mnt/cf? |
| 18:42:16 | kergoth | ljp--: ipkg creates directories for his data files for alternate install paths |
| 18:42:35 | kergoth | ljp--: those exist because I did ipkg installs into the rootfs |
| 18:42:52 | kergoth | ljp--: doesnt matter, as cf will mount over it.. then ipkg installs to cf will put data files on the cf |
| 18:43:13 | ljp-- | ok just wondering |
| 18:43:30 | kergoth | yea i found it odd too at first |
| 18:45:43 | kergoth | the rest of the opie packages with proper paths are at the feed |
| 18:45:45 | | oz3 feed is at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 18:45:45 | kergoth | ibot: oz3 feed? |
| 18:46:44 | kergoth | ljp--: you should be able to install the micro emacs package from familiar or from the zaurus sf page |
| 18:46:54 | ljp-- | yep.. I know :D |
| 18:47:00 | kergoth | cool :-) |
| 18:47:18 | ljp-- | ncurses? |
| 18:47:29 | kergoth | ipkg installs to alternate paths atm with -d.. ipkg -d mtdram install blah.. but no symlinks get created |
| 18:47:32 | kergoth | ncurses is installed |
| 18:47:35 | kergoth | ncurses5 to be exact |
| 18:47:52 | ljp-- | groovy |
| 18:48:04 | ljp-- | microemacs & lxt and I'm all set |
| 18:48:44 | kergoth | i should add strace and gdb to the feed |
| 18:48:45 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:49:19 | ljp-- | heheh |
| 18:50:18 | ljp-- | I also whipped up a buzzer command tester |
| 18:52:47 | ljp-- | hmm |
| 18:53:52 | ljp-- | no usb connection |
| 18:55:15 | fiferboy | IT'S ALIVE!! |
| 18:55:21 | ljp-- | won't mount vfat cf |
| 18:55:27 | riskable|work | hehe |
| 18:55:43 | kergoth | hmm? |
| 18:55:46 | ljp-- | wooppss yes it did |
| 18:55:53 | kergoth | it uses auto as the fstype |
| 18:55:55 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:56:21 | Jonmann | Argh, would anyone know a TFM viewer for Windows? |
| 18:56:25 | fiferboy | Um, how long do the MTD_write errors go on for? |
| 18:56:31 | kergoth | shit stracing embeddedkonsole -qws is long.. so many semaphore operations... |
| 18:56:38 | kergoth | fiferboy: a minute or two, just let it go |
| 18:56:44 | fiferboy | Okay, there it goes. Had me worried for a sec. |
| 18:57:46 | ljp-- | package uEmacs already installed?? |
| 18:58:05 | kergoth | i didnt install it |
| 18:59:08 | ljp-- | heh thats what ipkg install told me.. and proceeded to install it |
| 18:59:14 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:00:05 | kergoth | shit.. |
| 19:00:37 | kergoth | its trying every single ptyp, ptyq, ptyr, s, t, u, v, w, x, y, z.. all fail |
| 19:00:44 | kergoth | since i dont have them. hehe |
| 19:01:20 | fiferboy | How do you actually get the appearence options to take effect? There's no okay button, or apply or anything. |
| 19:01:30 | kergoth | fiferboy: hmmm? |
| 19:01:37 | kergoth | fiferboy: theres an ok button in the upper right corner |
| 19:01:58 | fiferboy | When I open appearence there is only the x. No ok. |
| 19:02:54 | mefesto | anyone else have any trouble getting linux (2.4.18) to detect the zaurus when connected to the usb port? |
| 19:03:24 | GogaN | anyone seen BigBoss here today? |
| 19:03:59 | fiferboy | I must have screwed something up again. Many things are not working. |
| 19:04:27 | kergoth | muahahaha |
| 19:04:29 | kergoth | stupid opie |
| 19:04:37 | kergoth | afk |
| 19:05:04 | | BigBoss was last seen on #zaurus 3 hours, 33 minutes and 59 seconds ago, saying: or by moving out of the country quickly [Sun Apr 14 16:31:05 2002] |
| 19:05:04 | GogaN | ibot: seen BigBoss |
| 19:06:19 | kergoth | fiferboy: it wont change styles when you click the X.. it does save color and background though |
| 19:06:42 | | bigboss was last seen on #zaurus 3 hours, 35 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: or by moving out of the country quickly [Sun Apr 14 16:31:05 2002] |
| 19:06:42 | riskable|work | ibot seen bigboss |
| 19:07:06 | kergoth | ljp--, fiferboy: do any documents appear in the documents tab when you start opie with the cf mounted? opie prompts me to choose what files to scan for.. i tell it to scan, but still no docs |
| 19:08:21 | ljp-- | how do I manuallt start qpe? |
| 19:08:26 | kergoth | /etc/init.d/qpe start |
| 19:09:28 | ljp-- | no docs no prompt |
| 19:09:35 | kergoth | no prompt? |
| 19:09:40 | kergoth | its mounted on /mnt/cf? |
| 19:09:44 | mefesto | does anyone know of a good site to help me get linux to detect the zaurus? |
| 19:09:54 | kergoth | man that doc scan popup doesnt seem to be very happy |
| 19:09:55 | arno_ | emacs for the zaurus? where? |
| 19:10:04 | kergoth | mefesto: just ruault's howto |
| 19:10:19 | kergoth | arno_: uEmacs .. iirc its on the zaurus SF project |
| 19:10:38 | arno_ | danke |
| 19:10:46 | sugarbear | Hi. |
| 19:10:56 | ljp-- | kergoth: i mean it didnt prompt for scan docs |
| 19:11:15 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:11:17 | kergoth | strange |
| 19:11:20 | sugarbear | How do I make Linux talk to my Zaurus? I'm running RH 7.1/Ximian. |
| 19:11:21 | ljp-- | kergoth: whats ~/ ? |
| 19:11:23 | kergoth | there are a number of opie bugs that need to be pursued |
| 19:11:29 | kergoth | ljp--: ? |
| 19:11:40 | kergoth | ljp--: /root is your homedir |
| 19:11:40 | ljp-- | root? or /home/root ? |
| 19:11:42 | kergoth | root. |
| 19:11:43 | sugarbear | I plugged the Zaurus docking station into my USB port. |
| 19:11:50 | kergoth | flash is writable, so docs are in flash atm |
| 19:12:07 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:12:11 | kergoth | no ~/Documents eh |
| 19:12:13 | kergoth | hm |
| 19:12:33 | ljp-- | looks like stdout writes to the screen |
| 19:12:44 | kergoth | ljp--: i fixed the thing with the storage tab being empty in sysinfo.. thats how it reacts to their being no /etc/mtab |
| 19:12:50 | kergoth | ljp--: nope. its kernel messages |
| 19:13:13 | ljp-- | oh.. also. suspend unmounted /mnt/cf |
| 19:13:16 | kergoth | ljp--: they cant be directed without adding a console= in kernel cmdline.. you could rm /dev/console; ln -s /dev/console /dev/tty2; or something |
| 19:13:21 | kergoth | ljp--: ah... k.. |
| 19:13:28 | arno_ | dont rm, mv |
| 19:13:35 | kergoth | arno_: huh? |
| 19:13:44 | kergoth | arno_: console is a symlink atm, i'm changing the link |
| 19:13:48 | sugarbear | Anyone can offer help? |
| 19:13:50 | arno_ | ah |
| 19:14:01 | kergoth | i meant ln -s /dev/tty2 /dev/console actually |
| 19:14:06 | sugarbear | Is there a module that I need to load in order to talk to the Zaurus? |
| 19:14:14 | kergoth | sugarbear: stop wasting our time with this pleading. just ask your question for gods sake |
| 19:14:23 | kergoth | sugarbear: did you patch your kernel with the patch on the howto page? |
| 19:14:30 | sugarbear | Nope. |
| 19:14:38 | kergoth | sugarbear: theres your problem. go read the howto |
| 19:14:39 | fiferboy | kergoth: No, I don't get any documents. |
| 19:14:43 | kergoth | fiferboy: k, figured |
| 19:14:58 | sugarbear | Well, first I have to find the how-to page. |
| 19:15:04 | mefesto | i can't even get linux to detect that usb device... :( |
| 19:15:22 | mefesto | it detects my cam but not the zaurus |
| 19:15:24 | kergoth | sugarbear: http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/index.asp |
| 19:15:31 | sugarbear | Thanks. |
| 19:15:32 | kergoth | mefesto: hmm? define 'detects' |
| 19:15:42 | Com[Plex] | uh.. question, does the 5500 have a 32mb rom? |
| 19:15:44 | mefesto | if i do a cat /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 19:15:46 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: no |
| 19:15:47 | Com[Plex] | or still 16? |
| 19:15:49 | Com[Plex] | wtf |
| 19:15:57 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: 16mb flash, 64mb ram |
| 19:16:05 | Com[Plex] | *frown* |
| 19:16:12 | ljp-- | filemanager copied emacs as 'Copy of emacs' *sigh* |
| 19:18:54 | ljp-- | it also see's ipkg as 'unknown' type |
| 19:19:04 | Twiun | Aaargh, another window-ism ;-) |
| 19:21:29 | mefesto | is there any way to get information about any connected usb devices other than /proc/bus/usb/...? |
| 19:22:07 | riskable|work | dmesb |
| 19:22:11 | riskable|work | dmesg I mean :) |
| 19:22:14 | riskable|work | dmesg | more |
| 19:28:28 | Gepeto | hey guys, I know ibot is infobot...do actions work on it? |
| 19:28:31 | Gepeto | like ibot shoot me |
| 19:28:35 | | Gepeto: i'm not following you... |
| 19:28:35 | Gepeto | ibot: shoot me |
| 19:28:40 | | ...but shoot me is <reply> bang!... |
| 19:28:40 | Gepeto | ibot: shoot me is BAM |
| 19:29:04 | Gepeto | hmf |
| 19:29:08 | | Gepeto: sorry... |
| 19:29:08 | Gepeto | ibot: shoot me |
| 19:29:13 | | kergoth: I forgot shoot me |
| 19:29:13 | kergoth | ibot: forget shoot me |
| 19:29:19 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 19:29:19 | kergoth | ibot: shoot me is <reply> BAM |
| 19:29:22 | | kergoth: what? |
| 19:29:22 | kergoth | ibot shoot me |
| 19:29:25 | Gepeto | heh |
| 19:29:27 | | kergoth: excuse me? |
| 19:29:27 | kergoth | ibot: shoot me |
| 19:29:31 | kergoth | how odd |
| 19:29:33 | | no idea, kergoth |
| 19:29:33 | kergoth | ibot: shoot me? |
| 19:29:34 | Gepeto | heh |
| 19:29:36 | | kergoth: bugger all, i dunno |
| 19:29:36 | kergoth | ibot shoot me? |
| 19:29:40 | scanline | is away: The pseudofood continues... or "I Can't Believe It's Not Nuclear Waste!" |
| 19:29:41 | kergoth | shoots ibot |
| 19:30:10 | | riskable|work: i'm not following you... |
| 19:30:10 | riskable|work | ibot: me |
| 19:30:17 | | i heard riskable was responsible for http://zaurus.loveslinux.com/ |
| 19:30:17 | riskable | ibot me |
| 19:30:31 | | Rince: huh? |
| 19:30:31 | Rince | ibot me |
| 19:30:35 | Rince | good :-) |
| 19:31:34 | kergoth | ljp--: i have documents in my docs tab! :-) |
| 19:31:54 | kergoth | ljp--: rm /etc/mtab; ln -s /proc/mounts /etc/mtab; mount /mnt/cf; /etc/init.d/qpe start; |
| 19:31:56 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:32:33 | ljp-- | :D |
| 19:33:38 | kergoth | i'll put a updated oz-base package on sf with that fix |
| 19:33:44 | kergoth | i'm working on the automount cf thing.. |
| 19:36:35 | ljp-- | kergoth: I'm whippin up my own file manager based on opieftp so I can at least run commands from qpe... :D |
| 19:36:43 | kergoth | hah.. |
| 19:36:46 | ljp-- | been working on it for about a wekk or so |
| 19:37:01 | Gepeto | riskable|work: I want my z :( |
| 19:37:07 | kergoth | wtf |
| 19:37:09 | kergoth | for (const char* c0 = "pqrstuvwxyzabcde"; ptyfd < 0 && *c0 != 0; c0++) { |
| 19:37:09 | kergoth | for (const char* c1 = "0123456789abcdef"; ptyfd < 0 && *c1 != 0; c1++) { |
| 19:37:09 | kergoth | sprintf(ptynam,"/dev/pty%c%c",*c0,*c1); |
| 19:37:09 | kergoth | sprintf(ttynam,"/dev/tty%c%c",*c0,*c1); |
| 19:37:19 | kergoth | thats old style.. my Z supports unix 98 pty's |
| 19:37:25 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:37:36 | mark | kergoth: did you find out how much space there was? |
| 19:38:02 | kergoth | mark: mine has about 5 megs free |
| 19:38:22 | kergoth | bad opie! bad! |
| 19:38:24 | kergoth | ljp--: |
| 19:38:25 | kergoth | *x86*|*generic*|*ipaq*) |
| 19:38:25 | kergoth | SED="$SED /^LIBS.*=/s/\$/ -lutil/;" |
| 19:38:25 | kergoth | PLATFORM_CFLAGS="-DHAVE_OPENPTY" |
| 19:38:28 | mark | kergoth: you got the same ROM size as me yeh? |
| 19:38:44 | kergoth | my Z needs have_openpty defined, so it'll use the unix98 ptys, afaik |
| 19:38:54 | kergoth | mark: 16mb |
| 19:39:32 | ljp-- | heh |
| 19:39:45 | mark | kergoth: good |
| 19:40:52 | ljp-- | knows squat about /dev/* |
| 19:41:16 | kergoth | heh. i know a little about everything |
| 19:41:19 | kergoth | but not alot about anything |
| 19:41:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:41:40 | kergoth | luckily i can usually figure it out as i go |
| 19:42:26 | mark | kergoth: 20-12 is 20Meg MTDram 12 meg normal ram or the otherway round? |
| 19:42:32 | kergoth | other way around |
| 19:42:34 | NeoTron | wonders what else to do in Eligo before submitting it.. |
| 19:42:34 | kergoth | read the release notes |
| 19:42:35 | kergoth | :-P |
| 19:42:43 | kergoth | sup neo |
| 19:42:45 | mark | kergoth: me, read,?! |
| 19:42:50 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:42:55 | kergoth | rtfm damnit! |
| 19:43:03 | NeoTron | just contemplating what to do.. |
| 19:43:20 | mark | kergoth: readings for sissies |
| 19:43:23 | mark | heheh |
| 19:43:32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:43:44 | kergoth | ljp--, fiferboy, mark: submit bugs to the SF bugs tracking system please |
| 19:43:54 | kergoth | ljp--, fiferboy, mark: '3.0' group |
| 19:44:03 | mark | needs to install it first ;) |
| 19:44:33 | mark | kergoth: i read the release notes before you added that stuff about ramdisk |
| 19:45:02 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:51:13 | scanline | is back (gone 00:21:33) |
| 19:52:35 | Twiun | Who's done some java dev on the zaurus? |
| 19:53:13 | NeoTron | Anyone up for some Eligo 1.0 testing? |
| 19:53:23 | Gepeto | NeoTron: if I had a zaurus I would... |
| 19:53:29 | Twiun | Hrmm... I really meant... FOR the zaurus ;-) |
| 19:53:58 | Twiun | NeoTron: Is this just install/run kind of test? |
| 19:54:12 | Gepeto | n |
| 19:54:13 | Gepeto | err |
| 19:54:48 | NeoTron | whatever you want it to be. :P |
| 19:55:08 | kergoth | mark: fyi, ln -s /proc/mounts /etc/mtab; # fixes the blank storage tab in sysinfo, and also causes opie to pick up your docs on your CF when you run it with it mounted |
| 19:55:17 | kergoth | mark: hehe. i had forgotten about mtab.. doh |
| 19:55:21 | whardier | caaaaause.. I |
| 19:55:24 | whardier | STAND ALONE! |
| 19:55:35 | kergoth | whardier: oz3 beta3 is up on sf |
| 19:55:41 | whardier | growl baby |
| 19:55:47 | whardier | now if I could only get my CF to work |
| 19:55:50 | whardier | and my Z unbricked |
| 19:55:59 | whardier | I tried to flash all sorts of shit |
| 19:56:02 | whardier | its pissed at me |
| 19:56:04 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:56:08 | kergoth | i flashed a initrd full of 0xffs |
| 19:56:10 | whardier | this all started with OZ3 beta1 |
| 19:56:13 | hunger | whardier: Ah! Looks like you got the same problem then me;-) |
| 19:56:14 | kergoth | i think my Z wouldnt be happy with me either |
| 19:56:20 | Gepeto | is OZ kinda stable? |
| 19:56:23 | Gepeto | at least a bit? |
| 19:56:24 | whardier | sure it is |
| 19:56:28 | Gepeto | cool |
| 19:56:30 | whardier | hehe |
| 19:56:33 | kergoth | Gepeto: its stable, just lacking functionality, and with some minor bugs atm |
| 19:56:34 | whardier | man I should be god |
| 19:56:38 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:56:39 | Twiun | NeoTron: In that case, I'm game for it ;-) Mind taking a look at my fledgeling faq in turn? |
| 19:56:46 | Gepeto | kergoth: I'll give it a try when I'll receive my zaurus |
| 19:56:48 | whardier | "Hey God.. is my wife gonna leave me" |
| 19:56:51 | whardier | Sure.. why not |
| 19:56:53 | whardier | "damn" |
| 19:57:00 | NeoTron | http://eongames.com/downloads/eligo_1.0.0_arm.ipk |
| 19:57:07 | whardier | ooooh! |
| 19:57:09 | whardier | AHH! |
| 19:57:11 | whardier | OOOOOOH!@ |
| 19:57:17 | whardier | kicks NeoTron |
| 19:57:20 | whardier | hi bitch! |
| 19:57:21 | mark | kergoth: cool |
| 19:57:33 | kergoth | mark: i'm working on the CF not automounting problem.. |
| 19:57:35 | Gepeto | ^ |
| 19:57:41 | Twiun | Give this a good whacking ;-) http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 19:58:14 | kergoth | okay time to test a rebuilt embeddedkonsole in oz3 |
| 19:58:17 | kergoth | brb |
| 19:58:17 | mark | downloads on myZaurus.com are definately picking up |
| 19:58:30 | Twiun | Any suggestions welcome - it IS my first attempt |
| 19:58:39 | mark | shame the chess thing is java |
| 19:58:39 | antlarr | JasonNJ: ping ? |
| 19:58:54 | Twiun | mark: Yeah - I'm sure one will turn up for Qtopia |
| 19:59:04 | mark | Twiun: hope so |
| 19:59:30 | mark | i'd be suprised if it didnt |
| 20:00:43 | kergoth | warmi's porting phalanx chess, iirc |
| 20:01:04 | mark | neato |
| 20:01:14 | mark | there are tonnes of java apps popping up actually |
| 20:01:45 | kergoth | ljp--: my CF stayed mounted accross suspend |
| 20:02:09 | whardier | my CF reader/writer is brokendiszhit |
| 20:02:32 | Twiun | my Z's stopped networking all of a sudden... *grumble* |
| 20:02:44 | whardier | that happens when you sneeze wrong |
| 20:02:56 | whardier | make sure there are no projectiles next time |
| 20:03:02 | Twiun | Hehehe |
| 20:04:21 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:04:22 | kergoth | QCopEnvelope e("QPE/System", "setBacklight(int)" ); |
| 20:04:30 | kergoth | i wonder why that isnt working in my build for oz3 |
| 20:04:36 | kergoth | the fl wont change brightness |
| 20:05:06 | Twiun | screams |
| 20:05:16 | ljp-- | uhh |
| 20:05:28 | Twiun | *D'OH* |
| 20:05:43 | kergoth | ah ha! |
| 20:05:44 | kergoth | damnit |
| 20:05:47 | kergoth | no /dev/fl |
| 20:05:52 | kergoth | someone with a sharp rom tell me if /dev/fl exists please |
| 20:06:27 | ljp-- | yes |
| 20:06:33 | kergoth | damnit damnit |
| 20:06:39 | Twiun | Who forgot to save his iptables... Who?!?!?! |
| 20:06:41 | tux_mike | /dev/fl? |
| 20:06:44 | Twiun | fwaps himself! |
| 20:06:48 | kergoth | i wrote a script to convert a directory listing of /dev to a device table for mkfs.jffs2 |
| 20:06:53 | kergoth | but it must have missed some |
| 20:06:54 | kergoth | damnit |
| 20:06:59 | kergoth | tux_mike: yes, the frontlight |
| 20:07:02 | tux_mike | ah |
| 20:07:15 | ljp-- | and /dev/collie-fl |
| 20:07:19 | kergoth | is /dev/fl a symlink to collie-fl? |
| 20:07:22 | kergoth | i have collie-fl |
| 20:07:23 | tux_mike | i'd do stuff in /proc/sys for frontlight... but that's just me |
| 20:08:02 | Twiun | installs eligo at last... |
| 20:08:03 | antlarr | JasonNJ: Ping ? |
| 20:08:20 | kergoth | yep the symlink worked |
| 20:08:24 | kergoth | adds to oz-base revision 5 |
| 20:10:42 | tux_mike | stopped his compile of QT on the m68k |
| 20:13:49 | ljp-- | ahh ok.. I have lxt finally on OZ |
| 20:13:49 | kergoth | tux_mike: heh, whys that |
| 20:13:53 | kergoth | ljp--: nice |
| 20:14:08 | tux_mike | it was swapping like crazy. i couldn't sleep, loud hdd |
| 20:14:15 | Gepeto | tux_mike: compile mozilla |
| 20:14:16 | Gepeto | it BEEPS< |
| 20:14:42 | tux_mike | i figured out a new way to get a real fb |
| 20:14:50 | ljp-- | kergoth: had to symlink libncurses.so libncurses.so.4 :D |
| 20:15:09 | tux_mike | hrmm... my replacement addressbook beat out SA in views! :) |
| 20:15:20 | Gepeto | tux_mike: show me |
| 20:15:33 | tux_mike | gept: on zauruszone |
| 20:15:43 | kergoth | ljp--: ah, it needed ncurses4.. i was worried about some of those apps. shall i symlink in the ncurses ipk itself? |
| 20:15:55 | mark_ | just about to flash with oz3 |
| 20:15:59 | mark_ | whats the worst that can happen? |
| 20:16:09 | kergoth | the worst? you'd need to reflash with another rom |
| 20:16:20 | tux_mike | mark: your Z starts on fire and burns your house down |
| 20:16:35 | mark_ | kergoth: heh, thats good :) |
| 20:16:39 | mark_ | tux_mike: heheh |
| 20:16:59 | tux_mike | kergoth: how would i get gnome through apt-get? |
| 20:16:59 | ljp-- | kergoth: sure seems to be working |
| 20:17:10 | tux_mike | i tried apt-get install gnome, but it no work |
| 20:17:28 | mark_ | tux_mike: on ur Z? :P |
| 20:17:43 | tux_mike | mark: no, on my mac, i run debian on it. i'm a redhat guy :) |
| 20:17:55 | kergoth | ljp--: how about a ncurses4 package that installs symlinks for compatibility? (if this continues to work) |
| 20:18:00 | mark_ | tux_mike: oh right :) |
| 20:18:07 | mark_ | tux_mike: apt-cache search gnome to see what you have |
| 20:18:17 | tux_mike | first time i ever used debian |
| 20:18:22 | tux_mike | mark: k |
| 20:18:40 | ljp-- | emacs gives me unknown terminal type linux :( |
| 20:18:48 | kergoth | hmmmm |
| 20:19:03 | kergoth | ljp--: shouldnt it be able to use the terminfo db? |
| 20:19:14 | kergoth | ljp--: i created the db... verify that linux is out there |
| 20:19:32 | tux_mike | ljp--: well, then, isn't emacs dumb ;) |
| 20:19:39 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:19:55 | kergoth | it could be a oz3 problem, im not jumping to conclusions there :-) |
| 20:20:11 | tux_mike | fscking mac really likes to lock up on accessing the RTC |
| 20:20:12 | ljp-- | kergoth: heh- it works fine on the Sharp rom... |
| 20:20:23 | kergoth | ljp--: sharp uses a different termtype |
| 20:20:27 | ljp-- | or it could be me |
| 20:20:28 | kergoth | ljp--: we need ansi for our nifty color ls |
| 20:20:31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:20:43 | mark_ | 'Open the battery compartment lid. Make sure you DO NOT take battery out. ', how do i do that without moving the switch to 'replace battery'? |
| 20:20:43 | ljp-- | I added TERM=linux |
| 20:20:46 | kergoth | ~/buildsystem/buildroot-oz/build/openzaurus_root/usr/share/terminfo/l$ ls linux |
| 20:20:47 | kergoth | linux |
| 20:20:47 | tux_mike | kergoth: its always an emacs problem.... if it was vim, then it could be a OZ3 problem ;) |
| 20:20:51 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:21:14 | kergoth | mark_: hmmm? the replace battery switch and full reset switches have nothing to do with battery removal |
| 20:21:22 | ljp-- | mark: just dont remove the battery |
| 20:21:44 | mark_ | i thought you could only open the battery case if the replae battery switch ws on 'replce battery' |
| 20:21:46 | kergoth | ljp--: does emacs use termcap or terminfo? |
| 20:22:00 | kergoth | mark_; yes, you set replace battery, you just dont physically remove the battery |
| 20:22:07 | mark_ | kergoth: oh right |
| 20:22:43 | mark_ | is now looking for the full reset switch :) |
| 20:22:49 | ljp-- | kergoth: it uses libtermap.so.2 |
| 20:23:05 | kergoth | ah.. termcap.. |
| 20:23:05 | ljp-- | which I think uses terminfo |
| 20:23:09 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:23:13 | ljp-- | not sure tho |
| 20:23:24 | mark_ | can't find it. grr |
| 20:23:35 | kergoth | ljp--: |
| 20:23:36 | kergoth | In older (V7/BSD) versions of curses, the database was a flat text file, |
| 20:23:36 | kergoth | /etc/termcap; in newer (USG/USL) versions, the database is a hierarchy of |
| 20:23:36 | kergoth | fast-loading binary description blocks under /usr/lib/terminfo |
| 20:23:52 | mark | decides he is useless |
| 20:24:04 | ljp-- | geezzz. I'm gonna have to use *gasp*.... vi!!! |
| 20:24:16 | kergoth | ljp |
| 20:24:19 | kergoth | ideaa |
| 20:24:32 | kergoth | try creating a symlink for libtermcap directing it to libncurses |
| 20:24:35 | mefesto | has a defective docking station :( |
| 20:24:52 | kergoth | ./configure --help 2>&1|grep termcap |
| 20:24:52 | kergoth | --enable-termcap compile in termcap fallback support |
| 20:25:00 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:25:01 | kergoth | afk |
| 20:25:21 | mark | when is says 'the C and D' keys, that means on the minikeyboard yes? |
| 20:25:25 | kergoth | mark: yes |
| 20:25:47 | mark | that is a difficult operation |
| 20:25:51 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:25:51 | sitruC | was wondering that himself |
| 20:25:56 | kergoth | need a bit of dexterity |
| 20:25:56 | Twiun | So... any of my site visitors have comments/criticisms they'd like to share? (You know who you are ;-)) |
| 20:25:57 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:26:18 | mark | i'td be alright if it was c and v or something |
| 20:26:19 | NeoTron | not as hard if you think C and D and any other keys |
| 20:26:45 | mark | NeoTron: oh, good idea :) |
| 20:26:47 | whardier | heh |
| 20:26:56 | kergoth | c and d and any other keys? |
| 20:26:58 | mark | thinks he has at least 4 down |
| 20:27:02 | kergoth | mine wont flash if you push more than c & c |
| 20:27:09 | kergoth | s/& c/& d/ |
| 20:27:51 | tux_mike | nor will mine |
| 20:28:07 | NeoTron | kergoth: I never had a problem |
| 20:28:14 | ljp-- | kergoth: worked! happy happy joy joy |
| 20:28:16 | kergoth | if i have 3 keys down, the lights flash and go out |
| 20:28:20 | kergoth | ljp--: sweet! :-) |
| 20:28:21 | NeoTron | and I certainly don't make any efford in just pushing C and D |
| 20:28:28 | ljp-- | ok.. NOW i'm set |
| 20:28:30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:28:32 | kergoth | have fun |
| 20:28:42 | kergoth | time to create a termcap compatibility package |
| 20:28:47 | kergoth | and ncurses4 as well |
| 20:29:02 | ljp-- | yep.. I like the cursor speed! |
| 20:29:05 | kergoth | ack! |
| 20:29:11 | kergoth | my Z wont suspend in opie! |
| 20:29:17 | kergoth | not on its own anyway.. |
| 20:29:25 | kergoth | mutters |
| 20:30:04 | ljp-- | heh.. mine suspends too fast- as I am working in it |
| 20:30:15 | kergoth | hmm.. |
| 20:30:16 | kergoth | wtf |
| 20:30:31 | kergoth | does your frontlight behave after symlinking collie-fl to fl? |
| 20:30:47 | ljp-- | hanen't tried |
| 20:30:55 | mark | hmm, lights have gone out v quickly |
| 20:30:56 | kergoth | try it out |
| 20:31:06 | kergoth | mark: then you need to just hold c+d, nothing else |
| 20:31:13 | kergoth | mark: thats how mine behaves |
| 20:31:25 | ljp-- | cool, I got my own file manager going.. :) |
| 20:31:32 | kergoth | nice... |
| 20:31:40 | kergoth | screenshot? |
| 20:31:40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:31:55 | ljp-- | looks like opieftp |
| 20:31:59 | ljp-- | :D |
| 20:32:01 | kergoth | i need to fix hotplug |
| 20:32:03 | ljp-- | without ftp |
| 20:32:05 | kergoth | so usb networking is happy |
| 20:32:12 | NeoTron | http://www.rocketelite.com/ <=== that game looks awesome |
| 20:32:23 | sitruC | woohoo.. i finally got a way to get software onto my zaurus (no usb for me) |
| 20:32:25 | mark | kergoth: its booting. very slowly, but booting |
| 20:32:30 | mark | now i've got load os MTD_Writes |
| 20:32:55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:32:56 | kergoth | ignore those |
| 20:32:57 | mark | NeoTron: port it! |
| 20:33:01 | kergoth | i'll fix that later |
| 20:33:13 | mark | how long does it go on for? |
| 20:33:21 | ljp-- | crap.. click-hold's menu not working.. crashes my app |
| 20:33:31 | kergoth | ouch |
| 20:33:37 | sitruC | runs terminal for the first time :) |
| 20:33:45 | ljp-- | oh only on blank space |
| 20:33:49 | mark | my thing is still saying 'mtd_write' |
| 20:33:54 | NeoTron | mark: writing a mail right now |
| 20:34:06 | NeoTron | the more ports I do, the more leverage I'll get. :-)) |
| 20:34:13 | mark | NeoTron: hehe |
| 20:34:20 | mark | i emailed a company offering to port something |
| 20:34:30 | mark | i got a 'we'll wait to see how big the market becomes' |
| 20:35:16 | mark | kergoth: booted |
| 20:35:35 | NeoTron | those such |
| 20:35:36 | NeoTron | suck. :P |
| 20:35:50 | mark | yeh |
| 20:36:17 | mark | they said 'thank you for the kind offer. we'll keep your name on file and contact you when we reevaluate the market' |
| 20:39:32 | kergoth | heh. that reminds me of those.. yeah, we'll keep your resume on file if we have any future openings cards companies mail |
| 20:39:33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:40:16 | mark | yep |
| 20:40:52 | mark | kergoth: heh, i'm a nice optomist and thinking they may actually do so |
| 20:41:04 | NeoTron | well, there goes nothing. :P |
| 20:41:15 | kergoth | mark: well good luck :-) |
| 20:41:46 | mark | kergoth: heh, yeh. i should have mentioned i would have done it for free coz i wanted to software on my Z :) |
| 20:42:09 | NeoTron | mark: do you mind sharing who it was? :P |
| 20:42:22 | mark | NeoTron: yes :) |
| 20:42:37 | mark | visualit or something |
| 20:43:37 | mark | NeoTron: dont you go and say 'i can do it better' to them :P |
| 20:44:01 | NeoTron | trust me, I'm busy. :P |
| 20:44:14 | mark | how many companys you working for now? |
| 20:44:29 | ljp-- | kergoth :fl working! |
| 20:44:36 | NeoTron | well, 2 at the moment (Xen Games and Pyrogon) |
| 20:44:47 | NeoTron | but I have at least 2-3 very likely additions... |
| 20:45:01 | NeoTron | I.e I might enlist help from here to do porting work under my name. |
| 20:45:12 | mark | smiles |
| 20:45:25 | mark | notes there are far better hackers about than himm |
| 20:45:28 | NeoTron | mark: eek, they website looks like pocket pc! |
| 20:45:36 | mark | NeoTron: yeh, i know |
| 20:46:09 | mark | its horrid |
| 20:46:38 | mark | NeoTron: they make their software for palm too |
| 20:46:54 | NeoTron | it's certainly, today, a more pain in the neck to do Pocket PC stuff |
| 20:46:59 | NeoTron | since you have more unique platforms |
| 20:47:26 | mark | NeoTron: all games you are porting? |
| 20:48:49 | mark | kergoth: ssh enabled by default? |
| 20:49:12 | NeoTron | mark: hmm? all games I'm porting...? as in is games all I'm porting or as in what are the games I'm porting/ |
| 20:49:20 | mark | NeoTron: are they all games? |
| 20:49:32 | NeoTron | yes |
| 20:49:34 | mark | i'm just wondering if youve come across any MFC yet |
| 20:49:41 | NeoTron | I'm definitely concentrating on games |
| 20:49:52 | mark | i'd lke to port some non games |
| 20:50:03 | NeoTron | and since the only PPC game so far has been SA, which was stripped of ALL M$ cruft before I got it... |
| 20:50:11 | NeoTron | Candy Cruncher already has a Linux prot |
| 20:50:18 | NeoTron | so there I'm porting SDL mainly |
| 20:50:30 | NeoTron | SDL and platform independant stuff |
| 20:50:55 | mark | if you go to www.handago.com |
| 20:51:10 | mark | and then pocketpc software |
| 20:51:15 | mark | you realiaze most is total crap |
| 20:51:19 | mark | kergoth: root password please? |
| 20:51:29 | mark | oh there isn't one |
| 20:53:15 | mark | NeoTron: you got simcity lines up yet? |
| 20:53:23 | NeoTron | nope |
| 20:53:27 | mark | aww |
| 20:55:14 | mark | someone on OZ3 got ssh set up? |
| 21:00:46 | ljp-- | havent gotten that far |
| 21:01:03 | kergoth | if ( ptyfd < 0 ) { |
| 21:01:03 | kergoth | qApp->exit(1); |
| 21:01:03 | kergoth | return -1; |
| 21:01:03 | kergoth | } |
| 21:01:08 | kergoth | MyPty.cpp |
| 21:01:12 | kergoth | theres why its exiting |
| 21:01:13 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:01:23 | kergoth | check this |
| 21:01:24 | kergoth | if ( openpty(&ptyfd,&ttyfd,ttynam,0,0) ) |
| 21:01:24 | kergoth | ptyfd = -1; |
| 21:01:24 | mark | kergoth: quickly tell me how to get ssh set up will you |
| 21:01:40 | kergoth | why the hell would it set ptyfd to -1 after just letting openpty set it to something useful? |
| 21:01:43 | NeoTron | opera on the Zaurus has rather lame multi-window support |
| 21:01:48 | NeoTron | actually, very bad. |
| 21:02:06 | kergoth | mark: run the ssh-keygen to generate the hostkey, then run sshd manually |
| 21:02:10 | kergoth | mark: inetd isnt in oz3 yet |
| 21:02:25 | kergoth | mark: but you could install inetd (the netkit-base pkg) from the familiar unstable feed, then use sshd from inetd |
| 21:02:37 | mark | kergoth: okay |
| 21:02:41 | mark | sshd isn't in my path |
| 21:02:51 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:02:52 | kergoth | ipkg files sshd; |
| 21:03:11 | mark | 'not installed' |
| 21:03:16 | kergoth | ack |
| 21:03:17 | kergoth | wtf |
| 21:03:24 | kergoth | grab the ssh and sshd packages from oz3 feed |
| 21:03:26 | kergoth | and install them |
| 21:03:29 | | oz3 feed is at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 21:03:29 | kergoth | ibot: oz3 feed? |
| 21:03:40 | mark | i have no way of getting them there |
| 21:03:56 | kergoth | yeah you do |
| 21:03:58 | mark | oh yeh |
| 21:03:59 | kergoth | wget + your CF card |
| 21:03:59 | mark | CF |
| 21:04:00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:04:06 | mark | hehe |
| 21:04:36 | mark | its on my windows box :). i have to exert energy going downstairs now |
| 21:04:43 | mark | btw, oz seems v nice |
| 21:05:03 | kergoth | thanks.. if i can get all these issues worked out, i think people will like it |
| 21:05:30 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ping. you should probably test oz3 beta3 |
| 21:05:48 | kergoth | oh i should build beta3 kernels to get rid of those MTD_write messages |
| 21:05:59 | kergoth | i HATE those |
| 21:06:25 | mark | kergoth: i am becoming to hate it too :) |
| 21:11:33 | antlarr | Anybody knows if the contest deadline is on the 15th at 11:59 or in 40 minutes ? |
| 21:12:26 | mark | antlarr: hehe, when it turns the 16th in the last place on earth i think |
| 21:12:34 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:12:45 | mark | thats what it should be anyway |
| 21:12:55 | mark | goes to put sshd on his cf card |
| 21:13:29 | kergoth | knowing trolltech, it wont be |
| 21:16:11 | NeoTron | antlarr: 14 minutes? more like hours from now |
| 21:16:14 | NeoTron | like 5 hrs |
| 21:16:40 | NeoTron | based on previous ideas, the deadline is 11.59 EST the day before the deadline date |
| 21:16:45 | NeoTron | i,e today, 11.59 EST |
| 21:17:10 | NeoTron | which is in 6h40m or so |
| 21:18:30 | NeoTron | i.e the beta deadline was 11.59 EST the day before the noted date |
| 21:18:35 | NeoTron | in theory at least |
| 21:19:38 | mark | they really wont care |
| 21:19:40 | mark | imo |
| 21:19:48 | mark | kergoth: automount working? |
| 21:20:36 | mark | kergoth: if not, mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/cf yeh? |
| 21:20:48 | kergoth | mark: just mount /mnt/cf |
| 21:20:53 | kergoth | mark: and mount /mnt/card for sd |
| 21:20:56 | mark | k |
| 21:22:04 | mark | right its gone in |
| 21:22:05 | mark | good |
| 21:22:35 | kergoth | when you start qpe with it mounted.. it pops up and asks what documents to add |
| 21:22:37 | kergoth | :-) |
| 21:22:42 | mark | nice |
| 21:22:50 | mark | what syntax do i wanna give ssh-keygen? |
| 21:23:37 | mark | kergoth: it hasn't asked that, its just not added any documents :) |
| 21:24:57 | ljp-- | same here.. |
| 21:24:59 | kergoth | mark: terminate opie, and start opie with it mounted |
| 21:25:05 | kergoth | mark: and ln -s /proc/mounts /etc/mtab |
| 21:25:16 | ljp-- | ahhh |
| 21:25:42 | mark | okay |
| 21:25:47 | mark | and the ssh-keygen q? |
| 21:26:00 | kergoth | i dunno the syntax offhand, go read the ssh howto for the Z |
| 21:26:13 | mark | god |
| 21:26:19 | mark | you seem to have some thing with me and reading :) |
| 21:27:43 | NeoTron | mark: perhaps they won't but they might |
| 21:27:46 | NeoTron | so why take the risk? |
| 21:28:05 | mark | NeoTron: sorry? |
| 21:28:07 | whardier | 2 wireless routers installed today |
| 21:28:07 | whardier | phew |
| 21:28:34 | mark | kergoth: (didn't know there was such as ocument) |
| 21:28:48 | NeoTron | Final contest submissions must be received before 11:59 p.m. ET on February 10, 2002 |
| 21:28:57 | NeoTron | Final submission of a working application must be made by February 11, 2002 |
| 21:28:58 | mark | LOL |
| 21:29:01 | ljp-- | hehe |
| 21:29:06 | mark | slipped a tad |
| 21:29:10 | NeoTron | that Feb 11 is the April 15 equivalent.. |
| 21:29:19 | NeoTron | so due BY not ON |
| 21:29:35 | mark | oh well, i have no chance of winning a laptop |
| 21:29:53 | mark | shame, i should have done something decent |
| 21:29:56 | NeoTron | needs to win, but... :P |
| 21:30:00 | NeoTron | hehe |
| 21:30:02 | NeoTron | "needs" |
| 21:30:17 | mark | that 10,000 dollar prize is nice |
| 21:30:22 | NeoTron | that said, my goal was to win a Zaurus so anything from now on is a bonus |
| 21:30:31 | mark | mine too |
| 21:30:33 | NeoTron | that would indeed be very nice |
| 21:30:48 | mark | hopes that Cornelius wins actually, just as a reward for all the great KDE work he does |
| 21:30:57 | NeoTron | for what app? |
| 21:31:00 | NeoTron | some KDE port? |
| 21:31:19 | mark | Korganizer port |
| 21:31:33 | NeoTron | ok. Well, I hope I win |
| 21:31:39 | mark | i'm sure you do :) |
| 21:31:43 | NeoTron | then I can buy a 5500 and an ipaq |
| 21:31:49 | NeoTron | for development. :P |
| 21:31:57 | mark | kergoth: where should i store my ssh keygen file? this says '/usr/local/etc/ssh_host_key', that right? |
| 21:32:18 | NeoTron | it's going to be HARD to pick one winning entry across all categories tho |
| 21:32:28 | NeoTron | I do not envy the judges. :P |
| 21:32:47 | mark | yeh, v hard |
| 21:36:27 | mark | gah why is kergoth away :) |
| 21:37:02 | kergoth | because i'm figuring out why embeddedkonsole hates me |
| 21:37:28 | mark | heh, sorry to disturb you |
| 21:38:14 | ljp-- | why not just copy the /dev from the Sharp rom? |
| 21:38:15 | kergoth | np |
| 21:38:20 | kergoth | ljp--: i did |
| 21:38:34 | ljp-- | hmmm |
| 21:38:36 | kergoth | mark: check with the famiiar/handhelds folks, that sshd package is from the familiar unstable feed |
| 21:38:40 | kergoth | mark: i'm not sure what the paths are |
| 21:38:43 | mark | kergoth: this zaurus ssh howto - where is it? :) |
| 21:38:59 | mark | okay |
| 21:39:10 | kergoth | ljp--: well i take it back.. i created a device table text file that mkfs.jffs2 uses to create the devices.. i created the dev table from the sharp dev dir |
| 21:39:19 | kergoth | mark: on Zz somewhere. i wrote it up a longggggg time ago |
| 21:39:29 | mark | kergoth: okay |
| 21:39:39 | kergoth | ljp--: mime types work... |
| 21:39:53 | kergoth | ljp--: at least, it works for both text files and ipk's.. i havent checked anythign else |
| 21:40:05 | ljp-- | not here. shows unknown icon |
| 21:40:17 | kergoth | for an ipk? |
| 21:40:23 | kergoth | do you have qipkg installed? |
| 21:40:31 | ljp-- | no |
| 21:40:34 | kergoth | there ya go |
| 21:40:56 | kergoth | remember its qipkg's .desktop that creates the icon association to ipk |
| 21:41:14 | ljp-- | ok |
| 21:41:17 | NeoTron | you know, that QT Console april fools joke would have been a cool project to have. :P |
| 21:41:24 | mark | yippers |
| 21:41:59 | ljp-- | shouldn't qipkg be in the rom? |
| 21:42:15 | kergoth | ljp--: yeah, i thought i added it.. must've missed it |
| 21:42:22 | kergoth | ljp--: i'll fix that for beta4 |
| 21:43:29 | ljp-- | you know about the storage tab on sysinfo? |
| 21:43:34 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:43:40 | kergoth | currently it doesnt show flash |
| 21:43:54 | kergoth | it isnt blank if you symlink mtab into place |
| 21:44:12 | mark | kergoth: you also aware that the opie image doesnt show for screen calibration? |
| 21:44:13 | kergoth | but we need to make it do something other than appear blank when mtab isnt available.. perhaps remove the storage tab completely |
| 21:44:31 | kergoth | mark: yep i know.. havent had time to look into it. would you add that to the bug tracker please so i dont forget? |
| 21:45:37 | mark | kergoth: okay |
| 21:45:53 | mark | kergoth: is it okay to take the sshd package straight out of familiar? this one is config file less atm |
| 21:46:44 | kergoth | mark: yep |
| 21:46:58 | kergoth | k i'm going to a computer store to buy a usb pci card .. |
| 21:48:15 | | rumour has it familiar is a Linux distribution for handhelds, at http://familiar.handhelds.org or God in the palm of my hand |
| 21:48:15 | mark | ibot familiar |
| 21:48:19 | | ask me about the 'unstable feed' |
| 21:48:19 | mark | ibot unstable |
| 21:48:22 | | unstable feed is, like, at http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/ |
| 21:48:22 | mark | ibot unstable feed |
| 22:02:55 | mefesto | where to go download the qtopia desktop for linux? |
| 22:07:24 | antlarr | what does "Thou shalt have no other files than uploaded by Thyself" mean ? |
| 22:15:48 | Com[Plex] | it means, dont have a server where people can dump warez |
| 22:16:04 | Com[Plex] | or dont leave it so unsecure that someone couldsneak in and use it as a pub |
| 22:16:18 | mark_ | any hancom warez surfaced yet? |
| 22:16:41 | mark_ | :) |
| 22:16:44 | Com[Plex] | mark: do you realise, that all the people in this channel, are the people who WROTE those? |
| 22:16:59 | antlarr | ah, ok, thanks |
| 22:17:26 | mark_ | Com[Plex]: i didn't know we had any hancomers in here. bigboss is on their board i think. i was joking anyway ;) |
| 22:17:35 | Com[Plex] | ah |
| 22:18:06 | Com[Plex] | I thought you said "handango" - not hancom. I was too busy pitching a fit to actually read it |
| 22:18:15 | mark_ | but SL5000 winners dont get hancom as we were promised...... |
| 22:18:21 | Com[Plex] | - would I download a wares copy of hancom? - probbaly - |
| 22:18:31 | Com[Plex] | not what I would actually use it |
| 22:18:39 | mark_ | heeh |
| 22:18:41 | Com[Plex] | I dont really like typing documents on the Z |
| 22:18:49 | Com[Plex] | and I bought tkc editor, wich works pretty well |
| 22:20:05 | mark_ | move(mark_,bed); |
| 22:20:07 | mark_ | night all |
| 22:20:29 | ljp-- | bash: move: command not found |
| 22:27:12 | Narrowmind | why does zauruszone look like crap in opera? |
| 22:32:57 | whardier | hahaha |
| 22:36:20 | ljp-- | use IE |
| 22:36:27 | Narrowmind | the menu/index on the left is ugly |
| 22:37:06 | Narrowmind | ok... where is the ipk with IE in it ? |
| 22:38:17 | ljp-- | www.M$.com |
| 22:38:34 | ljp-- | hehehe |
| 22:39:12 | Narrowmind | good thing i have lynx installed |
| 22:41:42 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room |
| 22:41:47 | Narrowmind | we need to be able to turn off power saving while running on external power |
| 22:44:08 | sitruC | how do I prevent qpe from starting at boot? |
| 22:45:18 | ljp-- | hit '/' at the waiting.. or countdown or whatever |
| 22:47:22 | sitruC | much appreciated |
| 22:57:15 | Gepeto | heya...can someone tell me what to tell a friend trying to install themes on his Z? |
| 22:59:16 | ljp-- | heh.. uhhhh.. Z's not themable |
| 22:59:44 | Gepeto | thought so |
| 23:00:12 | Gepeto | he's arguing with me that it is |
| 23:00:16 | ljp-- | if you grab opie's Appearance app, you can change the colors |
| 23:01:49 | Gepeto | ok |
| 23:02:04 | Gepeto | I wish it'd support QT themes :D |
| 23:03:10 | ljp-- | they mostly ripped out styles for the embedded environment |
| 23:06:52 | scanline | is back (gone 00:25:10) |
| 23:09:33 | finkployd | is there a pdf reader for the Z? |
| 23:09:43 | Gepeto | yes I think I saw one |
| 23:10:26 | Gepeto | well...I think |
| 23:11:25 | finkployd | I can't find one |
| 23:12:05 | Gepeto | hmf |
| 23:12:27 | Gepeto | hmm |
| 23:12:31 | Gepeto | cant opera open pdf? |
| 23:13:34 | finkployd | I don't think so |
| 23:13:35 | finkployd | brb |
| 23:16:58 | ljp-- | yes, opera can open pdf's |
| 23:17:34 | Narrowmind | can i change the qpe boot logo ?? |
| 23:20:43 | Narrowmind | bah.. I think I found it |
| 23:24:31 | Narrowmind | heh.. now I need a new image |
| 23:24:50 | Gepeto | hmmm |
| 23:24:54 | Gepeto | just a sec I think I have one for you |
| 23:25:09 | Gepeto | http://www.aliencow.com:81/images/aliencow.gif |
| 23:27:44 | Narrowmind | heh.. every image in qpe is a xpm or png.. excpet the startup script... its bmp.. I bet that came from an art dept |
| 23:28:24 | treke | probably because bmp is easier to decode without all of QT inited? |
| 23:29:46 | Gepeto | is it me or Sourceforge is down ? |
| 23:30:15 | Gepeto | I felt like downloading some stupid games to entertain myself for 2-3minutes... |
| 23:30:16 | Narrowmind | naw.. the other formats are just as easy as bmp |
| 23:31:11 | treke | Gepeto : I can get to project web pages on sourceforge. other parts may be down |
| 23:31:45 | Narrowmind | the search was down yesterday |
| 23:34:47 | | i haven't a clue, gepeto |
| 23:34:47 | Gepeto | ibot: who am I? |
| 23:34:50 | Gepeto | aww |
| 23:36:26 | | you are Mark Earnest <mailto:mxe20@psu.edu> |
| 23:36:26 | finkployd | ibot: who am I? |
| 23:36:41 | finkployd | hmm, cool |
| 23:36:48 | Gepeto | Gepeto is Guillaume Keith Ross <gepeto@aliencow.com |
| 23:37:01 | Gepeto | whardier: Gepeto is Guillaume Keith Ross <gepeto@aliencow.com> |
| 23:37:04 | Gepeto | errr |
| 23:37:13 | Gepeto | stupid autocomplete |
| 23:37:17 | | OK, Gepeto. |
| 23:37:17 | Gepeto | ibot: Gepeto is Guillaume Keith Ross <gepeto@aliencow.com> |
| 23:37:21 | Gepeto | good. |
| 23:37:39 | Cam_ | hey any bets on who's going to win the contest? |
| 23:38:03 | Gepeto | when does it end? |
| 23:38:37 | Cam_ | last submission is tonight, or tomorrow night depending on how you read the rules |
| 23:39:04 | Cam_ | last time the judges took a long time to check all the entries, but this time there are 'only' 50 or so to look at |
| 23:39:09 | Gepeto | Yeah |
| 23:39:51 | Cam_ | I wish I had more time to hack my entry |
| 23:40:09 | Cam_ | I suppose they all could be better given more time |
| 23:40:26 | Gepeto | what's yours? |
| 23:40:33 | Cam_ | the guitar chord program |
| 23:40:38 | finkployd | cool |
| 23:40:42 | finkployd | will it be gpl? |
| 23:40:52 | finkployd | could use a good guitar chord program |
| 23:41:03 | Cam_ | yes it will be gpl, definitely |
| 23:41:13 | Cam_ | so far I have the chords and the sound output working |
| 23:41:29 | finkployd | so when this contest is over, there will be 50 more apps suddenly hitting the street? |
| 23:41:33 | Cam_ | the tuning bit still needs work |
| 23:41:53 | Cam_ | finkployd: I think so, although some are already released |
| 23:42:16 | finkployd | I have yet to see a website that shows more than 20 available or so |
| 23:44:08 | Gepeto | finkployd: that was exactly my thought too |
| 23:44:14 | Gepeto | "Cool, 50 cool apps!" |
| 23:44:28 | Gepeto | or maybe there werent 50entries? ;) |
| 23:44:40 | finkployd | The only new apps I ever see are thekompany's stuff |
| 23:45:04 | finkployd | There needs to be a zaurusmeat.net website |
| 23:45:08 | finkployd | And just ONE |
| 23:45:17 | Gepeto | hmmm |
| 23:45:23 | finkployd | Not 10 web sites with 5 apps each |
| 23:45:27 | finkployd | that is annoying |
| 23:45:28 | Gepeto | well |
| 23:45:33 | Gepeto | if I bought zaurusmeat.com right now |
| 23:45:38 | Gepeto | would you guys all submit your stuff there? |
| 23:45:45 | finkployd | I was just joking, I don't care what it is called |
| 23:45:55 | finkployd | Ideally, Sharp should set up the repository |
| 23:45:56 | Gepeto | Yeah but it's cool hehe |
| 23:46:02 | finkployd | Make it legit |
| 23:46:05 | Gepeto | well isnt that what myzaurus is? |
| 23:46:24 | finkployd | It is what myzaurus is failing miserably at, yes :) |
| 23:46:31 | Gepeto | Yep :) |
| 23:46:45 | Gepeto | that's one thing that helped PalmOS tremendously: PalmGear |
| 23:46:55 | Gepeto | when I had a CE I hated searching for apps |
| 23:47:06 | Gepeto | for my PAlm I just browsed Palmgear until I found something new and cool to try out |
| 23:47:11 | finkployd | To be a good site it must be easy for people to add apps to it |
| 23:47:26 | Gepeto | Yeah |
| 23:47:35 | finkployd | Making them email a sharp employee who likely doesn't have a mailserver that works is not a good idea |
| 23:47:48 | Gepeto | maybe I should waste my time setting that up tomorrow |
| 23:48:00 | finkployd | Plus myzaurus is set up as a store |
| 23:48:03 | Gepeto | creating the sql db, finding an easy way to register and upload through the website |
| 23:48:10 | finkployd | They do have some free software, but the majority isn't |
| 23:48:23 | finkployd | And it is VERY likely that most software for the Z will be open source |
| 23:48:32 | Gepeto | well a lot will be I hope :D |
| 23:49:14 | Gepeto | finkployd: I'll go have a shower, get undressed, make a hot chocolate, clean my desk a bit |
| 23:49:22 | Gepeto | then I'll sit down here and think seriously about that :D |
| 23:49:25 | Gepeto | brb |
| 23:49:40 | finkployd | heh |
| 23:50:29 | finkployd | actually, myzaurus HAS gotten a little better since I last saw them |
| 23:51:07 | Gepeto | it's still more a store than anything |
| 23:51:59 | Gepeto | ok, gotta run now |
| 23:52:10 | finkployd | I'm actually interested in getting PowerTerm Mobile, but I'm not going to pay $149 without some kind of trial version to test with |
| 23:52:12 | finkployd | :( |
| 23:52:50 | Cam_ | wow that's expensive |
| 23:53:06 | finkployd | Yeah, but I REALLY could use a 3270 terminal emulator |
| 23:54:23 | Narrowmind | bah.. use minicom |
| 23:55:27 | finkployd | minicom doesn't do 3270 |
| 23:56:04 | finkployd | I have a text based 3270 emulator I could run over ssh but it needs 80x25 resolution |
| 23:56:29 | Cam_ | what's special about 3270? is it EBCDIC or something? |
| 23:56:40 | finkployd | for starters, yes |
| 23:56:49 | finkployd | It is also screen based, not character based |
| 23:56:59 | finkployd | It is an os/390 terminal |
| 23:57:29 | Cam_ | well, are there specs for it anywhere, is that proprietary? |
| 23:58:08 | finkployd | it is open |
| 23:58:12 | finkployd | It is just a royal pain |
| 23:58:38 | finkployd | I've done some work on the open source X client (x3270) and I really do not feel like attempting it on the zaurus :) |
| 23:59:42 | finkployd | hmmm, when you install the zaurus-faq ipkg, where does it go? |
