| 00:00:08 | em1ssnuke | embedded vs. workstation |
| 00:00:25 | Aelfweld | yes but writing complicated code in asm sucks trust me |
| 00:00:27 | Fastolfe | nasa: my latest project (for fun) is a relay computer with only one instruction and one addressing mode |
| 00:00:29 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 00:00:34 | Fastolfe | it works :) |
| 00:01:04 | file | Futurama is on!!! |
| 00:01:30 | Fastolfe | Futurama ? |
| 00:01:32 | file | yes |
| 00:01:35 | nasa | So fastolfe, how long did it take to program |
| 00:01:36 | file | cartoon, really nice |
| 00:01:48 | Fastolfe | nasa: the relay machine ? |
| 00:01:59 | nasa | yeah |
| 00:02:29 | Fastolfe | nasa: it only has 200 words of memory because relays are expensive, so it's limited to small test programs for now. I do have a prime number generator running |
| 00:02:42 | Fastolfe | nasa: I want to interface DRAM somehow to port Linux to it :) |
| 00:02:59 | Fastolfe | I calculated that it would takes over a month to boot up :) |
| 00:03:37 | nasa | Ok, you are WAY to smart (and you must not have a wife) |
| 00:03:40 | Cha0s_AWAY | Does anyone know were can I buy the zaurus from outside the US and UK? the oficial sharp websites dont export products... :\ thx |
| 00:04:08 | Fastolfe | nasa: that's true, I don't have a wife :) as for being smart, remember, it's a *relay* computer :) |
| 00:04:15 | file | is in Canada |
| 00:04:23 | Cha0s | is back after 2 d 6 h 2 m 30 s |
| 00:04:27 | Fastolfe | is in holyland - Utah |
| 00:05:04 | Fastolfe | Cha0s: where are you ? |
| 00:05:29 | em1ssnuke | fast_: I attempted ftp and keep getting an error on connectin to the Z |
| 00:05:50 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: you need to ftp from the Z to the PC |
| 00:06:00 | file | sighs |
| 00:06:02 | Cha0s | portugal |
| 00:06:06 | Fastolfe | ok |
| 00:06:23 | Fastolfe | do you know someone in the UK ? |
| 00:07:11 | file | don't |
| 00:07:14 | Cha0s | no... thats the problem . And I cant use my CC in the website since it was originated outside the UK |
| 00:07:21 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 00:07:24 | Twiun | Who needs someone in the uk? |
| 00:07:37 | em1ssnuke | Ah ... then I can't use XP then can I |
| 00:07:59 | file | why would you want to use XP? It's a memory sucker-upper |
| 00:08:02 | Fastolfe | Twiun: are you in the uk ? |
| 00:08:19 | Twiun | Fastolfe: Yeah, london |
| 00:08:28 | Fastolfe | aah good ole blightey |
| 00:08:37 | em1ssnuke | yea, the thought of upgrading my kernel on SuSE was a secondary option ... now primary option |
| 00:08:38 | Fastolfe | cha0s needs someone to ship him a Z |
| 00:08:53 | Fastolfe | because sharp won't ship to portugal |
| 00:09:00 | Cha0s | yup.... :\ |
| 00:09:09 | file | takes Fastolfe's Zaurus |
| 00:09:14 | Twiun | They still haven't sorted out their european distribution? |
| 00:09:15 | Fastolfe | HEY |
| 00:09:16 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 00:09:32 | file | I'll just stick to my Philips Nino and VTech Helio |
| 00:09:42 | Fastolfe | Twiun: is that what it is ? I thought maybe they didn't want to ship outside US/UK |
| 00:09:58 | Fastolfe | file: you can have my Palm III |
| 00:10:01 | Cha0s | nopes ... and to make things worse the portuguese sharp doesnt import sharp palms... |
| 00:10:10 | file | Fastolfe: can I? really? :) |
| 00:10:21 | Fastolfe | hands it over to file |
| 00:10:22 | Twiun | Fastolfe: If they're just intending this for US/UK, there's going to be loads of complaints ;-) |
| 00:10:30 | Fastolfe | Twiun: yeah |
| 00:10:35 | file | sends Fastolfe the bill for shipping :p |
| 00:10:46 | Fastolfe | I already have my buddies in France pissing the living hell out of me to ship them a Z |
| 00:11:04 | file | can us Canadians get a Zaurus? |
| 00:11:07 | Fastolfe | file: that'll be around $100 :) |
| 00:11:19 | Twiun | If they can start having a good go at Jason, the load will eventually make something happen |
| 00:11:20 | em1ssnuke | What the least expensive one purchased so far? |
| 00:11:26 | Fastolfe | file: depends, if you're in Quebec, you've been punished :) |
| 00:11:26 | em1ssnuke | what's |
| 00:11:26 | file | $100 for? |
| 00:11:35 | file | for? |
| 00:11:38 | em1ssnuke | Z |
| 00:11:42 | file | isn't in Quebec |
| 00:11:43 | Fastolfe | file: my small fee for shipping you my PalmIII. |
| 00:11:44 | | JasonNJ was last seen on #zaurus 2 hours, 55 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3989618385.html [Sun Feb 10 21:15:54 2002] |
| 00:11:44 | Twiun | ibot seen JasonNJ |
| 00:11:58 | Twiun | sighs |
| 00:12:10 | Fastolfe | file: US$100 ain't much, it's only CA$5000000 |
| 00:12:12 | Cha0s | maybe theres another online storeout there were I could buy? instead of the oficial sharp website? |
| 00:12:18 | file | exactly |
| 00:12:22 | Twiun | I can't believe he's actually allowed a life off this channel ;-) |
| 00:12:46 | Fastolfe | Twiun: he's probably lurking |
| 00:12:48 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 00:13:04 | Twiun | Cha0s: I'm sure there's bound to be a few on eBay by now |
| 00:13:11 | Fastolfe | Cha0s: ebay |
| 00:13:12 | Fastolfe | oops |
| 00:13:13 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 00:13:17 | Twiun | Hehe |
| 00:13:26 | em1ssnuke | Well off to upgrading my SuSE dist |
| 00:13:30 | Twiun | Good luck |
| 00:13:33 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 00:13:43 | Fastolfe | Chapeau Rouge pisses me off today |
| 00:13:54 | roge99 | didnt someone post to the mailing list about selling theirs |
| 00:14:01 | em1ssnuke | thanks, bye |
| 00:14:03 | Twiun | This doesn't really solve my problem though... how do I get an accurate memory usage value for a prog? |
| 00:14:06 | Twiun | on the Z that is |
| 00:14:16 | Cha0s | yup ... I know but I wanted a new one. if you know what I mean... |
| 00:14:24 | Twiun | nods |
| 00:14:31 | file | crys |
| 00:14:35 | file | I want a Zaurus!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:14:36 | Cha0s | probably I'll have to wait. |
| 00:14:41 | Fastolfe | funny when people want to pay good money to corps and corps don't want to take it :) |
| 00:15:40 | file | lala |
| 00:15:45 | dragorn | Twiun: What's wrong with the one in info, or simply running "free" at the command line? |
| 00:16:16 | Fastolfe | I've got a question for you guys : suppose someone set up a server with VNC connections to real Zaurii and you didn't have a Zaurus but wanted to develop for it, would you pay a monthly fee for the service ? |
| 00:16:24 | Twiun | dragorn: With the linux vm reclaiming memory whenever it feels like it, it's not good enough to compare between program versions |
| 00:16:26 | file | hrm, /proc/meminfo should display memory info shouldn't it? |
| 00:16:37 | Twiun | not for a particular prog though |
| 00:17:04 | Twiun | "/proc/meminfo is for overall mem stats" |
| 00:17:09 | Fastolfe | find a prog's pid and do cat /proc/<pid>/status |
| 00:17:12 | Twiun | grumbles at kvirc |
| 00:17:16 | file | uh huh |
| 00:17:41 | dragorn | Twiun: What do you mean by "reclaiming"? ps, and proc/pid/ will show you individual stats |
| 00:18:29 | Twiun | dragorn: I meant that for meminfo... I'm looking into the proc/pid/status thing now |
| 00:19:30 | Twiun | Fastolfe: So in status, it'll be VmSize? |
| 00:19:30 | dragorn | Twiun: Linux'll play games with cache memory, but running free will show you the overall free, cached, and how much is used minus the cache, but /proc/pid/ might be more what you want |
| 00:19:49 | Twiun | dragorn: *nod* |
| 00:20:00 | Fastolfe | /proc/<pid>/status will show you detailed mem usage for that pid |
| 00:20:42 | Twiun | Yeah, I've got that far... now out of all the Vm entries... VmSize is the largest - am I right in assuming that's the size of it's memory usage? |
| 00:20:42 | Fastolfe | Twiun: not sure |
| 00:20:55 | Fastolfe | lemme check |
| 00:21:26 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 00:22:01 | Fastolfe | it's the total amount of mmemory taken, bss, text, data and all |
| 00:22:10 | Twiun | Cool, I can now see if I've managed to tighten my memory usage |
| 00:22:23 | Fastolfe | yep, that's what it's for, and to detect memory leaks |
| 00:22:26 | whardier | augh |
| 00:22:29 | whardier | #netbsd lacks |
| 00:22:50 | Fastolfe | bsd is dying, Billy G. told me so |
| 00:22:53 | Fastolfe | must be true |
| 00:23:00 | whardier | heh |
| 00:23:01 | whardier | well |
| 00:23:13 | whardier | mips support in linux is dying.. for the cobolt hardware |
| 00:23:18 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 00:23:33 | whardier | its not in netbsd |
| 00:23:37 | whardier | its alive |
| 00:23:38 | whardier | and kickin |
| 00:23:44 | whardier | just not very kickin |
| 00:23:48 | Fastolfe | whardier: I was just kiddin |
| 00:25:49 | whardier | I know |
| 00:28:22 | Fastolfe | grr the redhat installer crashed on my box |
| 00:28:29 | Fastolfe | Computers suck man |
| 00:31:55 | whardier | redhat sucks man |
| 00:32:25 | treke | redhats installer has always been a bit unstable |
| 00:37:36 | Twiun | swears at Insigna - who's the *&^%(*£&$ who thought that leaving out png+jar support was a good idea???? |
| 00:38:55 | Twiun | What's Jason's email addy at sharp? |
| 00:43:47 | newbie | hi, im having some problems patching my kernel to support ether. over USB |
| 00:44:02 | newbie | ah, damn, im newbie |
| 00:45:15 | dragorn | patch -p1 < CTEther.patch (or whatever it's called)... make menuconfig, usb, network devices, turn on CDETher, then make modules, make modules_install |
| 00:45:22 | w00tw00t | p1? |
| 00:45:27 | w00tw00t | hm...imusing p0 |
| 00:45:37 | w00tw00t | ok |
| 00:45:46 | dragorn | probably p1 |
| 00:45:48 | w00tw00t | aight |
| 00:45:48 | dragorn | most things |
| 00:45:51 | w00tw00t | ok |
| 00:45:54 | dragorn | try patch --dry-run |
| 00:45:58 | dragorn | -pblah < file |
| 00:45:59 | w00tw00t | hmm |
| 00:46:00 | w00tw00t | ok |
| 00:46:03 | dragorn | that'll tell you if the patch works |
| 00:46:08 | w00tw00t | just a sec |
| 00:46:25 | dragorn | if --dry-run doesn't fail, then do it without the dry run |
| 00:48:48 | w00tw00t | do i do patch --dry-run with the < Zaurus-ethernet-over-usb.patch? |
| 00:49:10 | dragorn | yes |
| 00:49:30 | w00tw00t | cant find file to patch at input line 3 |
| 00:49:42 | dragorn | patch --dry-run -p0 < Zaurus.... or patch --dry-run -p1 < Zaurus... If dry run succeeds, then you can do it without dry run |
| 00:49:51 | w00tw00t | ok |
| 00:50:16 | roge99 | w00t what dir are you in while tring to patch the kernel |
| 00:50:19 | dragorn | you doing this from your linux source dir? I always run patches from within /usr/src/linux |
| 00:50:27 | w00tw00t | yeah |
| 00:50:31 | w00tw00t | actually |
| 00:50:35 | w00tw00t | im in /usr/src |
| 00:50:39 | w00tw00t | not /usr/src/linux |
| 00:50:40 | roge99 | from /usr/src use p0 |
| 00:50:44 | w00tw00t | ah |
| 00:50:52 | w00tw00t | hehe |
| 00:51:08 | w00tw00t | im just following the directions i found by Ruault |
| 00:51:55 | w00tw00t | 5 hunks are failing |
| 00:52:09 | roge99 | what is your kernel version |
| 00:52:19 | w00tw00t | 2.4.3 |
| 00:52:29 | w00tw00t | -20 |
| 00:52:39 | dragorn | yow. that'd be an issue. Theres been a fair amount of usb change in the last 14 kernel releases. |
| 00:52:41 | roge99 | hmm the patch says 2.4.11 or greater i think |
| 00:53:01 | w00tw00t | hehe |
| 00:53:15 | w00tw00t | isnt 2.4.3 greater than 2.4.11, or am i on crack? |
| 00:53:21 | dragorn | No. |
| 00:53:22 | Fastolfe | you're on crack :) |
| 00:53:24 | dragorn | it's not 2.4.1.1 |
| 00:53:25 | w00tw00t | damn |
| 00:53:32 | dragorn | it's 2.4.11, as in, "one more than ten" |
| 00:53:33 | Fastolfe | 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 |
| 00:53:38 | dragorn | but don't use .11 |
| 00:53:39 | dragorn | ever |
| 00:53:44 | w00tw00t | hehe |
| 00:53:46 | dragorn | it's got filesystem-eating code |
| 00:53:57 | dragorn | also don't use .15, it'll eat your fs on unmount |
| 00:54:05 | dragorn | if you're going to upgrade, go to .17 |
| 00:54:06 | Fastolfe | I think you need over 2.4.14 for the CDCEther patch to work |
| 00:54:18 | Fastolfe | of you need the standalone vindaci version |
| 00:54:32 | w00tw00t | is there a way to upgrade to 2.4.17 without changing all my settings? |
| 00:54:43 | dragorn | all your kernel config settings? |
| 00:54:43 | roge99 | sorry its greater than 2.4.14 |
| 00:54:44 | Aelfweld | the stand alone module on soruceforge workds on my redhat 7.1 system(2.4.9) but the new roms broke it |
| 00:54:50 | dragorn | just copy .config from your old source tree to the new one |
| 00:54:54 | Fastolfe | copy the .config in your current tree into the new tree and do "make oldconfig" |
| 00:55:01 | w00tw00t | ok |
| 00:55:16 | w00tw00t | hmmm....... |
| 00:55:21 | w00tw00t | how big is 2.4.17? |
| 00:55:25 | roge99 | w00tw00t: are you running redhat |
| 00:55:30 | w00tw00t | download size i mean |
| 00:55:33 | Fastolfe | w00t: just use the vindaci version |
| 00:55:43 | w00tw00t | :(...shamefully mandrake |
| 00:55:58 | w00tw00t | but w/o all the fruity-ness |
| 00:56:22 | w00tw00t | vindaci? |
| 00:57:02 | Fastolfe | http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=73146 |
| 00:57:21 | dragorn | rebuilds his laptop with the latest ingo scheduler, while he's thinking of it |
| 00:57:22 | Fastolfe | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/zaurus/zaurus-sl5000d-ethoverusb-011215b.tar.gz |
| 00:57:32 | Fastolfe | brb I want to catch the sunset |
| 00:57:52 | w00tw00t | hehe |
| 01:00:20 | dragorn | hmm, what do you think the chances of getting lirc working on the Z are... |
| 01:00:27 | dragorn | I never did it get it functional with my laptop |
| 01:02:14 | roge99 | dragorn: i dont think the ir port is strong enough to be much use as remote |
| 01:02:29 | dragorn | roge99: Maybe |
| 01:02:50 | dragorn | roge99: But the palm pilots worked excellently, and they have pretty piddling little IR ports as well |
| 01:02:58 | roge99 | hmm |
| 01:02:59 | dragorn | Not to say the IR hardware is the same or anything |
| 01:03:01 | dragorn | but it's worth the shot |
| 01:03:07 | roge99 | this is true |
| 01:03:15 | dragorn | I had my palm doing remote control for a good 25 feet on some devices |
| 01:03:33 | dragorn | couldn't negotiate a 2-way link over that distance, but it was more than enough to mimic a tv remote |
| 01:03:34 | roge99 | i know the agenda had 2 one for beaming and one highpower one |
| 01:03:58 | dragorn | will have to look into porting it and trying |
| 01:04:03 | dragorn | brb, new kernel time. |
| 01:04:03 | roge99 | i heard the range on these was under 2 feet |
| 01:04:20 | Twiun | From what I remember, the Z's IR is the weaker type, it's got a range of around 23cm |
| 01:05:02 | roge99 | Twiun: yea thats what i heard as well |
| 01:08:50 | roge99 | dragorn: so the new kernel was successful |
| 01:09:02 | dragorn | roge99: Sure |
| 01:09:09 | dragorn | roge99: Nothing unusual, just a newer ingo scheduler patch |
| 01:09:31 | dragorn | see if it stops zombieing mozilla now |
| 01:12:43 | dragorn | hmm, the ir port on the Z... is that just seen as a serial device? |
| 01:13:37 | Twiun | Yeah... although I think you missed my comment - I remember seeing that on the Z, the IR is the weaker version, with a range of ~23cm |
| 01:13:43 | dragorn | nods |
| 01:13:44 | dragorn | I saw it |
| 01:13:47 | dragorn | I just still want to try |
| 01:13:53 | Twiun | That's cool |
| 01:14:06 | dragorn | worst that happens is I waste an hour or two |
| 01:14:19 | dragorn | big deal. ;P Not doing anything but nursing the flu anyhow |
| 01:14:32 | Twiun | Bah, I wish I had that |
| 01:14:36 | roge99 | there is an ir detector for palms you could test range with that if you have a palm |
| 01:14:38 | Twiun | Work's boring atm |
| 01:14:51 | dragorn | roge99: I do, and i have the software |
| 01:15:11 | roge99 | simple test before wasting time |
| 01:15:20 | dragorn | true |
| 01:15:33 | dragorn | should be able to just ifup the irda device and ping something on that subnet |
| 01:18:02 | dragorn | hmm that didn't work. |
| 01:19:28 | nasa | Ah.., now that my stomach's full |
| 01:20:10 | nasa | Anyone know -- can the Z browse the net via a windows 98 box? |
| 01:20:46 | dragorn | if you set up ICS, yes, it should be able to |
| 01:21:13 | nasa | ah, don't mind my ignorance -- what is ICS? |
| 01:22:04 | dragorn | internet connection sharing |
| 01:22:10 | dragorn | windows network masquerader |
| 01:22:11 | nasa | oh |
| 01:22:15 | whardier | wow |
| 01:22:16 | dragorn | and that's all I know about it, that it exists. |
| 01:22:20 | whardier | netbsd is actually installing |
| 01:22:20 | whardier | sorta |
| 01:22:46 | dragorn | hmm, it doesn't seem to do anything over IR |
| 01:22:55 | dragorn | even the beam isn't registering as IR traffic |
| 01:23:06 | dragorn | maybe the palm is feeling sick today |
| 01:23:50 | dragorn | Twiun: Oh, and no, you don't wish you had this, no matter how boring your job is, i've been sick since the beginning of linuxworld |
| 01:23:59 | nasa | ok, off to find out more |
| 01:24:00 | nasa | cya |
| 01:24:04 | dragorn | good luck |
| 01:24:49 | roge99 | dragorn: yea the flu sucks it ran through here a couple weeks ago |
| 01:25:27 | dragorn | roge99: Yeah, it's hitting our IT dept pretty bad |
| 01:25:39 | dragorn | doesn't know if he can take tomorrow off since so many other ppl are out |
| 01:26:12 | roge99 | dragorn: yea i didn't end up with it but the wife and kids were miserable |
| 01:27:41 | dragorn | nods |
| 01:27:51 | dragorn | You were definitely lucky to miss this one |
| 01:28:17 | roge99 | dragorn: yea -- sorry to hear you weren't as lucky |
| 01:28:43 | dragorn | shrugs.. "Eh, i'll live. Just not fun." |
| 01:28:51 | dragorn | Gives me more time to code, if I can think straight |
| 01:29:42 | Fastolfe | bloody hell, there's no doc on the SIR/FIR IR controller on the SA1110 anywhere |
| 01:30:10 | roge99 | dragorn: yea but coding between vomit attacks cant be to productive |
| 01:30:57 | dragorn | roge99: I've avoided that by not eating... i've mostly got the head cold from hell and a lot of coughing |
| 01:31:22 | roge99 | ohhh then your luck you didn't get this one |
| 01:31:36 | Fastolfe | roge99: don't cough while eating, that's the trick |
| 01:31:42 | roge99 | my wife threwup everything but her liver |
| 01:32:48 | dragorn | My stomach is usually really touchy anyhow so i've been on soup and toast for a month, about what this bug'll tolerate anyhow, so I'm mostly good. |
| 02:01:24 | nasa | Back again |
| 02:01:45 | nasa | Got a question/observation to ask |
| 02:02:25 | nasa | Just tried to setup browsing the web with the Z under windows and got the same kind of response as I did under linux |
| 02:32:38 | Mallory | whee! |
| 02:47:23 | []N-Flux | wh00p |
| 02:48:04 | finkployd | w00t |
| 02:49:05 | ][N-Flux | well, ,u clie is on ebay now |
| 02:49:16 | ][N-Flux | u =my |
| 02:50:37 | ][N-Flux | palm go bye bye ;) |
| 02:50:41 | NeoTron | heh |
| 02:51:56 | ][N-Flux | hey NeoTron |
| 02:52:03 | NeoTron | heya |
| 02:52:12 | ][N-Flux | get that source yet? |
| 02:52:18 | NeoTron | nope |
| 02:52:20 | NeoTron | next week I guess |
| 02:52:44 | Fastolfe | anybody runs CDCEther and the 1.02 net_fd.o on the 1.10 or 1.11 ROM who could try something for me ? |
| 02:52:50 | ][N-Flux | kewl |
| 02:59:54 | ljp | Fastolfe: I do... |
| 03:00:19 | Fastolfe | oops back |
| 03:00:57 | Fastolfe | ljp: could you try to connect to your linux box, run the VNC server, connect to it from a linux VNC client and see if the client gets kicked after a little while ? |
| 03:02:18 | ljp | sure: I think I remember something weird happening like that... |
| 03:02:52 | Mallory | Fast: Yeah, I said that in here the other day but you weren't around. |
| 03:02:58 | Fastolfe | ljp: thanks. |
| 03:03:04 | Mallory | I don't have my cradle here (it's at home), but I can verify that it happens. |
| 03:03:09 | Fastolfe | Mallory: oh sorry I must've missed it |
| 03:03:14 | Mallory | No errors of any kind you just get booted. |
| 03:03:21 | Mallory | Don't apologize, like I said, you weren't here. :) |
| 03:03:33 | Mallory | (tested against 0.0.6) |
| 03:03:38 | Fastolfe | I think this is packet corruption from the CDCEther driver / net_fd.o module combo |
| 03:03:53 | Mallory | Yeah, my initial reaction was to put the blame on the module and not on VNC. |
| 03:04:05 | ljp | you want me to let it sit or do stuff? |
| 03:04:14 | Fastolfe | well, it only seems to happen with that driver combo, and only on linux |
| 03:04:27 | Fastolfe | ljp: let it sit for a minute, then mouse the mouse inside the display a bit |
| 03:04:33 | Fastolfe | ljp: that should get it |
| 03:04:51 | ljp | yepp- |
| 03:04:56 | Fastolfe | aaw crap |
| 03:04:59 | ljp | *boink* |
| 03:05:20 | Fastolfe | This whole CDCEther hack is wrong |
| 03:05:25 | Fastolfe | hey BZF |
| 03:06:34 | Fastolfe | so now the question is : should I spend time figuring out what happens in the server and armor it against the corrupted packets, or try to fix the CDCEther driver again ? :) |
| 03:08:59 | ljp | make it just exactly perfect! :D |
| 03:09:20 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 03:09:22 | Fastolfe | k |
| 03:09:23 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 03:09:37 | dragorn | I'd do both |
| 03:09:39 | dragorn | ;) |
| 03:10:02 | Fastolfe | looks around for some help ... |
| 03:10:03 | Fastolfe | .. |
| 03:10:06 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 03:10:23 | dragorn | sneezes. |
| 03:10:55 | Fastolfe | ljp: do you know if this happens with OZ too ? |
| 03:12:23 | ljp | I dunno |
| 03:12:27 | Fastolfe | k |
| 03:19:40 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 03:19:46 | Fastolfe | it only happens with mouse events |
| 03:25:00 | scanline | is back (gone 07:36:16) |
| 03:29:30 | dkl_z | do people prefer usbserial or cdcether? |
| 03:30:25 | dkl_z | ihavent had much luck with the ether module but the serial optionworks well |
| 03:45:08 | whardier | quit smopking |
| 03:45:11 | whardier | now I drink a pack a day |
| 03:46:24 | ljp | drink a pack of cigarettes a day? |
| 03:46:35 | Fastolfe | twas humour |
| 03:46:44 | tux_mike | whardier: a 6-pack? |
| 03:46:56 | whardier | actually |
| 03:47:05 | whardier | I have downed maybe 7 so far |
| 03:47:07 | whardier | with 2 more to go |
| 03:47:09 | whardier | of cider |
| 03:47:15 | whardier | 5% |
| 03:47:18 | tux_mike | would like some mikes |
| 03:47:21 | whardier | yeah |
| 03:47:24 | whardier | I would too |
| 03:47:25 | whardier | damnit |
| 03:47:31 | whardier | they had none in Alaska |
| 03:47:33 | whardier | :( |
| 03:47:36 | tux_mike | >< |
| 03:47:36 | whardier | no that I am back tho |
| 03:47:41 | whardier | I should go get some! |
| 03:48:02 | tux_mike | i need some money to get some |
| 03:48:44 | Fastolfe | wow |
| 03:48:53 | Fastolfe | the net_fd.o module leaks memory |
| 03:48:57 | tux_mike | how do i set qwidgets to unicode... i can't find any info in the docs. |
| 03:49:02 | Fastolfe | and corrupts packets |
| 03:49:02 | tux_mike | net floppy drive? :) |
| 03:49:13 | Fastolfe | the IP-over-USB thing |
| 03:49:18 | tux_mike | ah |
| 03:49:38 | whardier | Fastolfe : HAHAHAHA |
| 03:49:41 | whardier | <Fastolfe> the net_fd.o module leaks memory |
| 03:49:44 | whardier | I knew that ages ago |
| 03:50:17 | ljp | oh no... more malloc no free? |
| 03:50:18 | whardier | I just did not know how to fix it |
| 03:50:18 | Fastolfe | yes, but did you know the average age of cars in America is 6 years ? |
| 03:50:35 | whardier | *shocked* |
| 03:50:37 | whardier | I did not know that |
| 03:50:44 | whardier | I have an above average aged car |
| 03:50:51 | Fastolfe | ljp: I dunno what it is |
| 03:51:16 | Fastolfe | ljp: but it corrupts packets enough that the VNC server receives palette change requests and throws the client out |
| 03:51:21 | Fastolfe | ljp: that's the problem |
| 03:51:40 | whardier | with netbsd on this Qube |
| 03:51:48 | whardier | I can actually make it do things.. |
| 03:51:48 | Fastolfe | whardier: My car is above average aged too :) |
| 03:51:48 | whardier | heh |
| 03:51:55 | Fastolfe | do what ? |
| 03:51:57 | whardier | well |
| 03:52:01 | whardier | more than what it could have done |
| 03:52:10 | whardier | there is a fork of debian-mips for it |
| 03:52:10 | Fastolfe | like ... what ? |
| 03:52:13 | whardier | well |
| 03:52:20 | whardier | its a 250mhz processor |
| 03:52:27 | whardier | with a 10.2 gig HD in it |
| 03:52:33 | Fastolfe | ?????? |
| 03:52:35 | whardier | and I just added a linksys wdt-11 wpc-11 |
| 03:52:41 | whardier | so maybe some routing :) |
| 03:52:50 | whardier | the point of doing this is to ship it back to alaska |
| 03:52:55 | whardier | and have it replace a webramp firewall |
| 03:52:58 | whardier | that is stupid |
| 03:53:03 | Fastolfe | thinks whardier is on the wrong channel |
| 03:53:10 | whardier | netbsd will not listen |
| 03:53:14 | whardier | you guys will |
| 03:53:16 | whardier | :) |
| 03:53:32 | Fastolfe | too much cider man |
| 03:53:38 | whardier | did you see this |
| 03:53:40 | whardier | <whardier> with netbsd on this Qube |
| 03:53:45 | whardier | before I started the rant? |
| 03:53:47 | fiferboy | Has anyone tried the ROM on ZaurusZone that is like 1.11 with a CDCEther fix? |
| 03:54:09 | Fastolfe | fiferboy: I'm having a bleeding nose over it right now |
| 03:54:34 | fiferboy | Fastolfe: Does it work at all? |
| 03:54:57 | Fastolfe | it workish sort of kind of, leaks memory and forces you to reboot after a while |
| 03:55:30 | whardier | an unmonitored usage of leak |
| 03:55:38 | fiferboy | But it will sync with Linux? I just need to upload my program to it as I make changes... |
| 03:56:08 | Fastolfe | fiferboy: I guess if your program isn't too big, it'll make it thru before you're forced to reboot :) |
| 03:56:39 | fiferboy | Only a few hundred K at most. Does it need the unit rebooted, or your computer? |
| 03:56:47 | Fastolfe | the PDA |
| 03:57:30 | fiferboy | I can handle that. Only problem is, I have to boot into Windoze to transfer the file :-( |
| 03:58:20 | Fastolfe | my advice to you is to setup your win box as a samba share and copy your file to the network drive, then just use windoze to xfer it |
| 03:58:30 | Fastolfe | ooh, it's one machine with 2 OSes ? |
| 03:58:35 | Fastolfe | oops |
| 03:59:05 | fiferboy | Yeah, I almost have a seperate Linux box. I just need a processor and MB ;-) |
| 03:59:13 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 03:59:34 | whardier | anybody here BSDish? |
| 03:59:42 | fiferboy | Well, here goes nothing... |
| 04:00:12 | Fastolfe | whardier: naww, BSD smells like somebody's dead grandmother |
| 04:00:21 | whardier | haha |
| 04:00:23 | whardier | does it? |
| 04:00:26 | whardier | I haven't checked |
| 04:00:32 | Fastolfe | open the qube to check |
| 04:01:37 | whardier | hehe |
| 04:02:57 | Fastolfe | cdcether == large wet turd |
| 04:09:36 | whardier | HAHAHAHA |
| 04:09:41 | whardier | hugs Fastolfe |
| 04:10:03 | ljp | collie_ssp.c == large wet turd |
| 04:10:30 | whardier | ssp>? |
| 04:10:33 | whardier | whats that one? |
| 04:11:00 | ljp | drivers/sound/collie_ssp.c |
| 04:13:51 | whardier | nono |
| 04:13:53 | whardier | whats it do |
| 04:14:18 | ljp | its the Z's audio driver source |
| 04:14:24 | whardier | ahha |
| 04:14:33 | whardier | so basically we are all gonna be embeddix/sharp employees |
| 04:14:48 | whardier | my cat is giving me that "you don |
| 04:14:52 | whardier | t pet me enough" look |
| 04:17:24 | fiferboy | Yeah, syncing with Linux! |
| 04:19:01 | Fastolfe | ljp: yeah, the sound driver sucks pretty bad too |
| 04:19:22 | ljp | I'm finding all kinds of crap... |
| 04:19:29 | Fastolfe | heh, I told ya :) |
| 04:20:03 | Fastolfe | My app is so broken because of that damn driver |
| 04:20:57 | ljp | ya ioctl(mixerfd, SOUND_MIXER_READ_RECSRC, &recsrc) gives error |
| 04:21:13 | Fastolfe | do you want my code to setup the rec ? |
| 04:21:21 | Fastolfe | it's peculiar, took me hours to figure it out |
| 04:21:27 | ljp | sure.. |
| 04:21:31 | Fastolfe | hold on |
| 04:21:33 | ljp | as long as its not asm |
| 04:21:38 | whardier | hah |
| 04:21:51 | Fastolfe | nope, it's gutt shon C |
| 04:21:56 | ljp | e me ljp at llornkcor.com |
| 04:22:20 | Fastolfe | k, I'll just inline the relevant section in the mail |
| 04:22:32 | ljp | k |
| 04:23:04 | ljp | thing I am having problems with is setting the input volume.. works fine on my desktop.. but not on Z |
| 04:23:21 | ljp | no error's.. just doesn't work |
| 04:26:27 | dkl | Has anyone successfully been able to play mpeg1 clips with 1.10? |
| 04:27:05 | Fastolfe | ljp: it's on its way |
| 04:27:49 | ljp | is there anyway to get strace's output to a file? |
| 04:27:55 | Fastolfe | strace what ? |
| 04:28:03 | Fastolfe | ooh |
| 04:28:05 | Fastolfe | yeah, do |
| 04:28:16 | Fastolfe | strace <params> <prog> 2> trace |
| 04:28:24 | Fastolfe | it spits out things on stderr |
| 04:29:38 | Fastolfe | ljp: about the sound driver, it implements only a subset of the old sound API, and even that subset doesn't quite work right. I spent hours figuring out the right init order, and the right iocts ... |
| 04:29:43 | NeoTron | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/edict_0.2_arm.ipk <-- can someone test that on sharp (network required) |
| 04:29:45 | Fastolfe | ljp: the code I sent you will work |
| 04:29:53 | Fastolfe | NeoTron: ok |
| 04:30:31 | fiferboy | Hmm... as soon as I closed qtopiadesktop in Linux, it freed up over 2 MG memory on the Zaurus... ;-) |
| 04:30:52 | Fastolfe | yeah, it's sad isn't it ? |
| 04:31:19 | fiferboy | A little, but as long as it works in Linux, I'm happy for now. |
| 04:32:13 | NeoTron | running it from a console will show network communication debug |
| 04:32:32 | Fastolfe | do you want me to test that too ? |
| 04:32:35 | w00t | are u guys improving something with audio? |
| 04:32:51 | Fastolfe | w00t: OZ ppl might, Sharp is sort of |
| 04:33:00 | Fastolfe | nice icon neotron |
| 04:33:22 | finkployd | Anyone have any experience with the Linksys wcf11? |
| 04:33:25 | Fastolfe | it's not connecting |
| 04:33:26 | NeoTron | it was shamelessly stolen from dict.org. :-PP |
| 04:33:31 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 04:33:46 | Fastolfe | sniffs eDict's packets |
| 04:34:40 | Fastolfe | what is it supposed to connect to ? at what port ? |
| 04:35:00 | NeoTron | dict.org, 2628 |
| 04:35:10 | NeoTron | : 130 neotron@stellar telnet dict.org 2628 src/edict/ |
| 04:35:10 | NeoTron | Trying 209.58.150.153... |
| 04:35:11 | NeoTron | hmm |
| 04:35:22 | Fastolfe | ooh, ain't gonna work, our f*cking firewall blocks outbounds too |
| 04:35:22 | NeoTron | ah, ok, there. a bit slow... |
| 04:35:28 | NeoTron | doh. :) |
| 04:35:36 | Fastolfe | our IS people are BOFHs |
| 04:35:36 | NeoTron | I hate firewalls that blocks outgoing stuff. ;-P |
| 04:35:57 | NeoTron | TODO: HTTP proxy (CONNECT method) support, perhaps. :) |
| 04:35:59 | Fastolfe | IS people here are security freaks, they annoy the living shit out of everybody |
| 04:36:23 | finkployd | how can I find the mac address of a CF wireless card? |
| 04:36:23 | Fastolfe | NeoTron: yes! I was actually looking forward to trying this, it's shiny and it has buttons all over the place |
| 04:36:25 | w00t | hehe |
| 04:36:31 | whardier | Fastolfe ? what are they doing to annoy you? |
| 04:36:37 | Fastolfe | block outbounds |
| 04:36:40 | Fastolfe | for nothing |
| 04:37:12 | Mallory | fink: Look at ifconfig? |
| 04:37:18 | Fastolfe | you know, the people *inside* a firewall as supposed to be trustworthy, but no, those people won't trust even us |
| 04:37:29 | Mallory | Yes, until one of them gets something like CodeRed. :) |
| 04:37:48 | whardier | Fastolfe what do you need to do :) |
| 04:37:58 | whardier | *hint* *hint* |
| 04:38:05 | whardier | I can usually find a way around thigns |
| 04:38:10 | whardier | things even |
| 04:38:10 | Fastolfe | Mallory: I run Linux, Windows bugs ain't my problem |
| 04:38:25 | finkployd | Mallory: Oh yeah |
| 04:38:27 | finkployd | slacks head |
| 04:38:33 | Mallory | Yes, but it is the IS peoples problem. |
| 04:38:49 | whardier | cmon cmon |
| 04:38:54 | whardier | I love pissing off IS people |
| 04:38:58 | whardier | tell me what you wanna do |
| 04:39:00 | Fastolfe | Mallory: the engineers don't have windoze :) |
| 04:39:21 | NeoTron | hmm. How is WStyle_ContextHelp supposed to work? |
| 04:39:33 | Fastolfe | whardier: can you forward a port 80 on one of your box to edict.org:2628 ? |
| 04:39:45 | Fastolfe | NeoTron: can you specify the host:port with your app ? |
| 04:39:51 | whardier | I have a much better solution |
| 04:39:54 | NeoTron | Fastolfe: TODO... :P |
| 04:39:57 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 04:40:01 | Fastolfe | whardier: never mind :) |
| 04:40:07 | whardier | what? |
| 04:40:09 | NeoTron | edit /etc/hosts and point dict.org to localhost or whatever |
| 04:40:16 | Fastolfe | yeah, but it sux |
| 04:40:31 | whardier | hehe |
| 04:40:33 | Fastolfe | so whard, what's the better solution ? |
| 04:40:39 | whardier | two solutions |
| 04:40:41 | whardier | one requires ssh |
| 04:40:48 | Fastolfe | wow, such luxury |
| 04:40:51 | whardier | one requires a tcp proxy (like simpleproxy) |
| 04:41:01 | Fastolfe | I'm an SSH port forwarding superhero |
| 04:41:07 | whardier | well |
| 04:41:11 | whardier | it also requires corkscrew |
| 04:41:18 | Fastolfe | corkscrew ? |
| 04:41:23 | whardier | but if you can port 22 out.. then you don't need it |
| 04:41:42 | Fastolfe | oh yeah, that's open |
| 04:41:46 | whardier | corkscrew maps ssh connections thru a web proxy |
| 04:41:50 | Fastolfe | But I have no account outside of here |
| 04:41:58 | whardier | I use it at airports to ssh to check my mail |
| 04:41:59 | whardier | :) |
| 04:42:02 | Mallory | However blocking unprivileged ports like that is kinda lame. |
| 04:42:07 | whardier | Fastolfe well I can fix that |
| 04:42:08 | Fastolfe | whardier: ok, I thought you were referring to your drinking :) |
| 04:42:12 | whardier | nono |
| 04:42:12 | Mallory | If you expect your users to get any work done. :) |
| 04:42:16 | whardier | the other solution is the simple one |
| 04:42:22 | Fastolfe | i |
| 04:42:22 | whardier | edit hosts.conf |
| 04:42:26 | whardier | and use simpleproxy |
| 04:42:30 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 04:42:35 | whardier | however that will not work |
| 04:42:36 | whardier | nevermind |
| 04:42:39 | whardier | that is to trick the client |
| 04:42:41 | whardier | not the server |
| 04:42:42 | whardier | haha |
| 04:42:43 | Fastolfe | yeah it wont |
| 04:42:47 | whardier | hmm |
| 04:42:49 | whardier | what ports are open? |
| 04:42:50 | Mallory | Or keep an account someplace outside of your internal network where you can do such things, assuming they let 22 out. |
| 04:43:13 | Mallory | You can have a shell on bsd-unix.net for $5/mo. :) |
| 04:43:18 | whardier | yeah.. Fastolfe email me an account setup and I will give you a shell |
| 04:43:32 | whardier | shane@bogomip.com |
| 04:43:33 | Fastolfe | whardier: username ppc, choose the pass, I'll change it |
| 04:43:39 | whardier | that will work |
| 04:43:43 | Fastolfe | yup |
| 04:44:03 | Fastolfe | all that for a bloody dictionary ??? :) |
| 04:44:18 | whardier | we are just getting you set up to be cool :) |
| 04:44:38 | whardier | edict? |
| 04:44:42 | whardier | you learning japanese? |
| 04:44:42 | w00t | hehe |
| 04:47:08 | Fastolfe | NeoTron: it's edict.org ? |
| 04:47:17 | Fastolfe | or www.edict.org ? or something else ? |
| 04:47:34 | NeoTron | dict.oeg |
| 04:47:37 | NeoTron | org |
| 04:47:37 | Fastolfe | k |
| 04:48:35 | whardier | ok |
| 04:48:40 | whardier | now I have freebsd on this box |
| 04:48:41 | whardier | err |
| 04:48:42 | whardier | netbsd |
| 04:48:47 | whardier | what I really wanna do now :) |
| 04:48:50 | whardier | is get linux working on it |
| 04:48:57 | whardier | oh well |
| 04:49:07 | whardier | it originally came with linux 2.0.34 :) |
| 04:51:27 | Fastolfe | This is so STUPID !!!!!!!! |
| 04:51:38 | Fastolfe | the damn ssh client can't create a fucking file in ROM |
| 04:51:39 | finkployd | anyone know if sharp (or lineo) is working on using 2.4.16 instead of 2.4.6 for the Z? Rumour has it 2.4.16 has better power management (somthing the Z needs desperatly) |
| 04:51:57 | whardier | damn |
| 04:51:59 | whardier | fuck me running |
| 04:52:06 | whardier | http://loco.pocketlinux.com/~samc/debian-cobalt/ |
| 04:52:07 | whardier | brb |
| 04:52:09 | whardier | hehe |
| 04:53:07 | whardier | backs up his work |
| 04:53:12 | whardier | crys |
| 04:53:32 | whardier | I wanna see how well 2.4.5 works on a qube now |
| 04:54:58 | Fastolfe | I give upo |
| 04:54:59 | Fastolfe | I give up |
| 04:55:24 | NeoTron | tv-time |
| 04:55:24 | Fastolfe | fucking jeezus on a popsicle stick, I FUCKING HATE FUCKING FIREWALLS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:56:02 | Fastolfe | Note to self: when you create your company, do NOT block outbound internet connection |
| 04:57:31 | whardier | hahaha |
| 04:58:22 | Fastolfe | oh fuck a duck. I'm out for a cigarette |
| 04:58:24 | Fastolfe | brb |
| 05:04:01 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 05:05:36 | Fastolfe | I lost my mp3 cds |
| 05:10:21 | ljp | bummer |
| 05:11:58 | Fastolfe | ljp: does that code work for you then ? |
| 05:13:36 | ljp | its not working.. |
| 05:13:39 | roge99 | Fastolfe: if you get an account on an external box... check out httptunnel http://www.nocrew.org/software/httptunnel.html |
| 05:14:11 | ljp | for some reason the mixer won't accept anything |
| 05:14:55 | Fastolfe | roge99: yeah, tunneling is easy, it's just that I don't have the time to mess with the freaking Z right now :) |
| 05:14:57 | ljp | whoops |
| 05:14:58 | Fastolfe | ljp: bummer |
| 05:15:04 | Fastolfe | ljp: what's going on ? |
| 05:16:12 | ljp | < != > *DOH* |
| 05:16:21 | Fastolfe | ?:) |
| 05:16:48 | ljp | heh.. that wasnt it.. |
| 05:17:04 | ljp | I dunno whats going on. |
| 05:17:13 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 05:17:24 | Fastolfe | I mean, what doesn't work ? the gain ? |
| 05:18:04 | ljp | ya.. gives error |
| 05:18:08 | Fastolfe | really ?? |
| 05:18:10 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 05:18:13 | whardier | edict |
| 05:18:20 | whardier | how about you tell me what you want to know |
| 05:18:25 | ljp | SOUND_MIXER_WRITE_IGAIN |
| 05:18:28 | whardier | and I will look it up |
| 05:18:29 | whardier | and tell you |
| 05:18:32 | whardier | I will be your bot |
| 05:18:33 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 05:18:49 | | OK, Fastolfe. |
| 05:18:49 | Fastolfe | ibot: whardier is my bot-toy |
| 05:19:14 | whardier | damnit |
| 05:19:17 | whardier | hates labels |
| 05:19:25 | whardier | hehe |
| 05:19:28 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 05:19:46 | whardier | ok |
| 05:19:47 | whardier | well |
| 05:19:49 | whardier | that was easy |
| 05:19:51 | whardier | lets see if this boots |
| 05:21:11 | whardier | HAHA |
| 05:21:12 | whardier | sick |
| 05:21:27 | whardier | sick and bad and wrong |
| 05:21:28 | whardier | ok |
| 05:21:34 | whardier | so somebody loves me |
| 05:21:47 | whardier | they made a preinstall tar of a debian-qube image |
| 05:21:55 | whardier | so all I had to do was untar it to /dev/hda1 |
| 05:21:57 | whardier | and tada |
| 05:22:02 | whardier | instant debian sex for the qube |
| 05:22:06 | Fastolfe | uuh |
| 05:22:12 | Fastolfe | sure |
| 05:22:15 | Fastolfe | whatever |
| 05:22:28 | whardier | hehe |
| 05:22:35 | whardier | that was the easiest os install I have ever done |
| 05:22:53 | whardier | root@blah /mnt: tar xfvj image.bz2 |
| 05:22:57 | Fastolfe | and you can get rid of BSD too |
| 05:22:58 | whardier | tada |
| 05:22:59 | Fastolfe | what a deal |
| 05:23:02 | whardier | yeah |
| 05:23:21 | whardier | haha |
| 05:23:23 | whardier | default name |
| 05:23:24 | whardier | borgcube login: root |
| 05:23:51 | Fastolfe | just realized he forgot to back up the new fbvncserver sources |
| 05:23:52 | Fastolfe | oops |
| 05:24:02 | Fastolfe | nearly trashed them |
| 05:24:07 | tux_mike | how would i get the home directory? with getenv? |
| 05:24:23 | Fastolfe | it's in the HOME variable |
| 05:24:27 | Fastolfe | echo $HOME |
| 05:24:37 | tux_mike | well, in a C++ program :) |
| 05:24:49 | Fastolfe | getenv then :) |
| 05:25:12 | Fastolfe | is so clever |
| 05:25:13 | tux_mike | this means i have to look up a man page.... i have no room for another terminal window! :) |
| 05:25:24 | Fastolfe | no pain no gain |
| 05:28:32 | tux_mike | hrmm... f |
| 05:28:40 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: you ever use getenv? |
| 05:29:49 | Mallory | If you want to set it wouldn't you use putenv? |
| 05:30:03 | Mallory | err, I thought he said set. Nevermind, /me gets more coffee |
| 05:30:11 | tux_mike | no, just need to get. |
| 05:30:32 | tux_mike | is that a malloc'd string, or is it just a pointer to somewhere where the data is already in memory? |
| 05:31:14 | ljp | tux: if it's qt QDir::homeDirPath() |
| 05:31:27 | tux_mike | hrm... may work :) |
| 05:31:40 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: yes, I use getenv to get the value of HOME and expand "~" |
| 05:31:43 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 05:36:56 | ljp | oh, my.. warwick is busy tonight...! |
| 05:37:37 | tux_mike | hrm? |
| 05:37:46 | ljp | heh- but not really |
| 05:37:53 | ljp | qpe cvs logs |
| 05:38:02 | tux_mike | ah |
| 05:38:36 | ljp | Fix copyright headers, remove CTRL-M's |
| 05:47:41 | whardier | no FPU means.. AAAUGH |
| 05:47:55 | whardier | why are all the cool machines that hop into my lap FPUless! |
| 05:47:59 | whardier | damn you RISC! |
| 05:48:40 | Fastolfe | because most multimediocre devices aren't number crunchers, and most of the math they do is DSP, which the strongarm has instructions for |
| 05:49:06 | whardier | having a fucking FPU would be nice! |
| 05:49:16 | Fastolfe | it would burn more battery too :) |
| 05:49:19 | whardier | even a kinda shy FPU would be cool! |
| 05:49:23 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 05:49:31 | Fastolfe | "kinda shy FPU" :) |
| 05:49:33 | Fastolfe | okay |
| 05:49:37 | whardier | well |
| 05:49:40 | whardier | not a fucking one |
| 05:49:44 | whardier | just a kinda shy one |
| 05:49:48 | whardier | hehe |
| 05:49:51 | Fastolfe | yeah yeah yeah, i got it |
| 05:49:54 | whardier | I know |
| 05:49:57 | whardier | but some of youm ight not of |
| 05:50:03 | whardier | and I am here to help |
| 05:50:18 | Fastolfe | oh sure, whardier is here to ... get help |
| 05:50:27 | whardier | this qube reminds me of a much faster Sparc/IPX |
| 05:50:33 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 05:50:39 | whardier | I have one of those too |
| 05:50:57 | whardier | I might wanna xcompile a kernel for the ipx and make it a dhcp server |
| 05:51:04 | whardier | except that I will have to reboot it every few days |
| 05:51:11 | Fastolfe | Y ? |
| 05:51:16 | whardier | hardware /me thinks |
| 05:51:25 | whardier | it is kinda old |
| 05:51:27 | Fastolfe | sucks |
| 05:51:32 | whardier | even if it is pretty fucking cool |
| 05:52:06 | whardier | so there is a company that I usually look at for embedded systems.. usually intel based |
| 05:52:13 | whardier | they also make an ide to net converter |
| 05:52:19 | whardier | so if you have NFS |
| 05:52:20 | Fastolfe | which ? |
| 05:52:25 | whardier | jumptek |
| 05:52:29 | whardier | or SMB |
| 05:52:31 | whardier | or anything |
| 05:52:33 | Fastolfe | oh yeah, we worked with then a lot |
| 05:52:35 | whardier | it can mount and boot |
| 05:52:36 | Fastolfe | jumptec |
| 05:52:40 | whardier | thats rright |
| 05:52:48 | whardier | that explains why jumptek.de was not working |
| 05:52:54 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 05:53:04 | whardier | anyways I am gonna order the AMD elan board I think |
| 05:53:31 | Fastolfe | sc400 ? |
| 05:53:41 | Fastolfe | it's a nice board |
| 05:53:44 | whardier | http://jumptec.de/product/data/etx/etx-e520-e.html |
| 05:53:57 | whardier | its got CF on it |
| 05:54:06 | whardier | and a fucking FPU! |
| 05:54:08 | Fastolfe | oh it's the 540 |
| 05:54:12 | Fastolfe | 520 I mean |
| 05:54:19 | whardier | the sc400 is in apple airports |
| 05:54:19 | whardier | heh |
| 05:54:24 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 05:54:31 | whardier | I broke one the other day and found out |
| 05:55:01 | whardier | I was pretty impressed |
| 05:55:09 | whardier | there is a linux kernel that runs on the sc400 in an airport |
| 05:55:12 | whardier | that is prety wacked no! |
| 05:55:30 | Fastolfe | is there ? i thought it was a roll-your-own os |
| 05:55:33 | Fastolfe | that's neat |
| 05:55:37 | whardier | http://www-hft.ee.tu-berlin.de/~strauman/airport/airport.html |
| 05:56:05 | whardier | I fail to see the point |
| 05:56:15 | whardier | its neat |
| 05:56:20 | whardier | and of cours eI would love to create it |
| 05:56:23 | whardier | but once it is done |
| 05:56:29 | whardier | you still have a few problems |
| 05:56:33 | whardier | its too bloated |
| 05:56:33 | whardier | heh |
| 05:57:47 | whardier | I have a ninja kitty |
| 05:57:52 | whardier | and a samurai pizza cat |
| 05:57:55 | whardier | they feud |
| 05:58:13 | whardier | they both like their ruler however |
| 05:58:25 | whardier | which is prolly why they are both still alive |
| 06:04:28 | whardier | doh |
| 06:23:27 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 06:24:06 | Fastolfe | I was testing the sound driver and the only thing I had at hand was an mp3 of dixie, and the Zaurus crashed halfway thru the song :) |
| 06:24:12 | whardier | hahaha |
| 06:24:30 | Fastolfe | I guess the Z ain't no device for good ole boys |
| 06:25:01 | whardier | man |
| 06:25:05 | whardier | you are CRAZY! |
| 06:25:25 | Fastolfe | oh yeah ? now *that* is an interesting comment from whardier |
| 06:25:37 | whardier | hehe |
| 06:25:40 | Fastolfe | and why is that ? |
| 06:25:42 | whardier | why does everybody think I am nutz |
| 06:25:47 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 06:25:50 | Fastolfe | because you are ? |
| 06:25:57 | whardier | well I aint |
| 06:26:01 | whardier | I explained it before lucy.. |
| 06:26:07 | Fastolfe | lucy ? |
| 06:26:09 | whardier | sunday is the drinking day |
| 06:26:18 | whardier | because then I can drink and break hardware |
| 06:26:24 | whardier | and God will forgive me |
| 06:26:26 | Fastolfe | funny, i can |
| 06:26:34 | Fastolfe | too |
| 06:26:36 | whardier | hah |
| 06:26:44 | whardier | I have been drinking all day |
| 06:26:50 | whardier | got down about 10 ciders so far |
| 06:26:55 | Fastolfe | well, I'm proud of you |
| 06:26:57 | whardier | ever since noon |
| 06:27:03 | whardier | its been a very long drinking session |
| 06:27:06 | NeoTron | reads RFC 2229 |
| 06:27:13 | whardier | because I keep getting distracted |
| 06:27:16 | whardier | from drinking |
| 06:27:23 | whardier | now who wants crazy |
| 06:27:29 | whardier | I am gonna compile a kernel on my mips |
| 06:27:40 | whardier | should add swap first |
| 06:29:21 | Fastolfe | halleluia ! |
| 06:29:26 | Fastolfe | my code finally works ! |
| 06:29:39 | whardier | wowoo |
| 06:29:56 | Fastolfe | hell, that was hard but ... |
| 06:30:07 | Fastolfe | I HAVE A FUCKING MORSE KEY ON MY ZAURUS ! |
| 06:31:30 | whardier | morse key huh |
| 06:31:31 | whardier | neat |
| 06:31:39 | whardier | does it work with the KB? |
| 06:31:54 | Fastolfe | it will as soon as I do the morse -> scancode table :) |
| 06:32:00 | whardier | neato |
| 06:32:07 | Fastolfe | yessireebob |
| 06:32:12 | whardier | if I only had a speaker |
| 06:32:19 | Fastolfe | what for ? |
| 06:32:26 | whardier | non headset use |
| 06:32:34 | Fastolfe | you mean a mike ? |
| 06:32:39 | Fastolfe | ooh |
| 06:32:40 | Fastolfe | nevermind |
| 06:32:42 | whardier | :) |
| 06:32:51 | Fastolfe | hmm, I doubt the Z can drive a speaker |
| 06:32:51 | whardier | you could drive women crazy by asking them out in morse |
| 06:32:59 | whardier | Fastolfe the ipaq can |
| 06:33:08 | Fastolfe | I met my fiancee over the air |
| 06:33:09 | whardier | its got the same battery in it |
| 06:33:18 | Fastolfe | ipaq can what ? |
| 06:33:18 | whardier | Fastolfe: neat |
| 06:33:24 | whardier | ipaq can drive a speaker |
| 06:33:28 | Fastolfe | oh ok |
| 06:33:46 | Fastolfe | I dunno really, I just thought the Z couldn't. |
| 06:33:46 | whardier | one of the funks to the Z is that the ipaq has a speaker that sounds pretty good |
| 06:34:26 | whardier | this qube has 16 megs of ram |
| 06:34:37 | Fastolfe | brb nicotine |
| 06:35:22 | whardier | damn you |
| 06:36:31 | whardier | heh |
| 06:36:41 | whardier | do not do a "swapon" when extracting a bzipped kernel |
| 06:36:44 | whardier | it fails |
| 06:36:50 | whardier | WB kergoth`! |
| 06:39:45 | NeoTron | wtf |
| 06:43:12 | Fastolfe | is there a contest for the most useless Zaurus application ? |
| 06:43:19 | Fastolfe | that would be cool |
| 06:55:24 | whardier | hahaha |
| 06:55:25 | whardier | I would win |
| 06:55:30 | whardier | whats yours do |
| 06:55:40 | Fastolfe | I would win :) |
| 06:55:40 | whardier | it counds the first 0 digits of pi |
| 06:55:45 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 06:55:49 | Fastolfe | ah yes, you win |
| 06:55:52 | whardier | haha |
| 06:55:58 | whardier | ok |
| 06:56:01 | whardier | cannot breath |
| 06:56:03 | whardier | e |
| 06:56:12 | whardier | need to go kick a stinky kitty butt |
| 06:56:52 | Fastolfe | You know what ? with a little magnetic relay and my hack, I could turn the Z into the most expensive bicycle computer in the world |
| 06:58:30 | whardier | bicycle computer? |
| 06:58:32 | whardier | hahaha |
| 06:58:42 | whardier | oh thats classy! |
| 06:58:55 | Fastolfe | yeah, I just made a piece of code and a special cable that turns the audio port into a one bit input |
| 06:59:04 | whardier | hmm |
| 06:59:07 | whardier | that would be usefull |
| 06:59:33 | Fastolfe | so I can do morse, but I can also hook a fet or a relay and count the number of RPM of a bike wheel |
| 07:01:18 | Mallory | Yeah, that's neat. |
| 07:01:56 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 07:02:07 | Fastolfe | I just calculated that it wouldn't work over 25 kph |
| 07:02:11 | Fastolfe | oh well |
| 07:02:50 | whardier | why? |
| 07:03:03 | whardier | hah |
| 07:03:35 | whardier | somebody maintains a mips bitchx |
| 07:03:48 | Fastolfe | because to determine if the switch is closed or not, I send a carrier out the audio port, then see if it comes back in, but the whole loop acts as a lo-pass filter, so I have to keep the rate down |
| 07:04:04 | whardier | wants a spectrum analyzer |
| 07:04:18 | Fastolfe | flashes his CC for whardier |
| 07:04:20 | whardier | system type : Cobalt Microserver 27 |
| 07:04:20 | whardier | BogoMIPS : 249.85 |
| 07:04:27 | Fastolfe | rraahhhh |
| 07:04:43 | whardier | cpu model : Nevada V10.0 |
| 07:04:54 | Fastolfe | so exciting |
| 07:05:16 | Fastolfe | damn |
| 07:05:29 | Fastolfe | if I want to sample faster I have to recode the thing in assembler again |
| 07:05:35 | Fastolfe | sux |
| 07:05:45 | whardier | haha |
| 07:06:02 | Fastolfe | keeps his C code and keys his codes slower :) |
| 07:06:13 | whardier | ok |
| 07:06:20 | whardier | maybe you should look into using ESD |
| 07:06:28 | whardier | so then you can store the tones as wav |
| 07:06:32 | whardier | and play them back REALLY fast |
| 07:06:45 | Fastolfe | well, I need to process them in real-time on the fly |
| 07:06:51 | whardier | process |
| 07:06:56 | whardier | not send |
| 07:07:00 | Fastolfe | it's kind of like a shite DSP i'm doing |
| 07:07:09 | whardier | haha |
| 07:07:14 | whardier | so its in and out |
| 07:07:21 | Fastolfe | what do you mean ? |
| 07:07:27 | whardier | it listens and sends? |
| 07:07:29 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 07:07:31 | whardier | ok |
| 07:07:33 | whardier | haha |
| 07:07:40 | whardier | I saw sound blaster networking code somewhere once |
| 07:07:46 | whardier | they were getting about 1mbps |
| 07:07:47 | Fastolfe | if you short the left and right output channel, for some reasons, it sends the audio back in the plug :) |
| 07:07:52 | Fastolfe | I dunno why, but it works |
| 07:08:06 | whardier | hahaha |
| 07:08:10 | whardier | you loopbacked the audio? |
| 07:08:13 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 07:08:16 | whardier | HAHA |
| 07:08:17 | whardier | ok |
| 07:08:18 | whardier | silly boy |
| 07:08:19 | Fastolfe | I have no clue why this works |
| 07:08:22 | whardier | you wanna know why that works? |
| 07:08:26 | Fastolfe | sure |
| 07:08:33 | whardier | left is "mono" out |
| 07:08:39 | whardier | right is "mono" in |
| 07:08:40 | Fastolfe | is it ? :) |
| 07:08:51 | whardier | so when you short them |
| 07:08:55 | Fastolfe | but I ouput stereo :) |
| 07:09:02 | whardier | yeah |
| 07:09:04 | whardier | I know |
| 07:09:17 | whardier | the sound card drives the stereo to mono |
| 07:09:20 | Fastolfe | I thought it has one of these 4 ring jacks to do both |
| 07:09:22 | whardier | when it is in record mode |
| 07:09:33 | whardier | Fastolfe not that cool I am afraid |
| 07:09:33 | Fastolfe | ic |
| 07:09:53 | Fastolfe | that means you can't do stereo out and mono in |
| 07:09:55 | Fastolfe | crappy |
| 07:10:00 | whardier | true |
| 07:10:02 | whardier | true |
| 07:10:06 | Fastolfe | but it sure does the trick for me eh |
| 07:10:21 | Fastolfe | whardier, i'll quote you in the readme |
| 07:10:29 | whardier | sure |
| 07:10:32 | whardier | that is what I know |
| 07:10:37 | whardier | and I forget how I know |
| 07:10:38 | Fastolfe | so I don't end up being sued when people's audio plug starts smoking |
| 07:10:45 | whardier | heh |
| 07:10:47 | Fastolfe | makes sense tho |
| 07:10:50 | whardier | just do not quote my email addy |
| 07:10:51 | whardier | hah |
| 07:11:07 | Fastolfe | sure I will : sillyknob@lostisland.com |
| 07:11:13 | whardier | suemeanddie@bogomip.com |
| 07:11:22 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 07:11:34 | whardier | I need to get postfix doing some neat stuff soon |
| 07:11:47 | Fastolfe | postfix ? |
| 07:11:53 | whardier | ist an MTA like sendmail |
| 07:11:57 | Fastolfe | oic |
| 07:12:05 | whardier | udo? |
| 07:12:05 | Fastolfe | use sendmail |
| 07:12:09 | whardier | I used to |
| 07:12:17 | whardier | I really hated the idea of anything else |
| 07:12:20 | whardier | then I tried it |
| 07:12:25 | Fastolfe | sendmail is great, it makes for perfect job security in IT departments :) |
| 07:12:25 | whardier | and kept it for a month |
| 07:12:45 | whardier | Fastolfe I am the only person one of my contracts knows.. that has even heard of linux |
| 07:12:48 | whardier | I have job security |
| 07:12:57 | whardier | woowoo |
| 07:12:59 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 07:13:02 | whardier | boa is on the qube now |
| 07:13:05 | whardier | damnit I love linux |
| 07:13:13 | whardier | to bad it keeps giving me funky segfaults |
| 07:13:30 | Fastolfe | I love Windows 2.0 |
| 07:13:34 | whardier | HAHA |
| 07:13:57 | Fastolfe | windows 2.0 is my friend |
| 07:14:04 | Fastolfe | with a big F like fuck |
| 07:14:33 | Fastolfe | 's software is so excellent, he deserves a good coffee now |
| 07:14:53 | whardier | pot smoker |
| 07:15:21 | Fastolfe | I used to in France |
| 07:15:42 | Fastolfe | not here tho, you get your ass in jail for 10yrs if you have 2 gs on you |
| 07:16:14 | Fastolfe | that was too much for him |
| 07:18:02 | whardier | suck |
| 07:18:09 | xxL | hey |
| 07:18:25 | whardier | wtf |
| 07:18:27 | whardier | who is xxL |
| 07:18:29 | xxL | 'morning, people |
| 07:18:40 | Fastolfe | hello fellow human being |
| 07:18:46 | whardier | ok |
| 07:19:05 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 07:19:08 | whardier | beddybye time |
| 07:19:14 | Fastolfe | seeya |
| 07:19:18 | whardier | bye |
| 07:19:21 | Fastolfe | don't let the bed bugs bite |
| 07:22:55 | xxL | heh |
| 07:23:08 | xxL | what's the use of it ? |
| 07:23:16 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | this is so cool, after all that time trying to make the hack works |
| 07:23:26 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | none, there is no use, it's totally useless |
| 07:23:31 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | that's the beauty |
| 07:23:39 | xxL | understands the beauty of a cool hack :) |
| 07:23:54 | xxL | congrats |
| 07:24:08 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | this one's a doozy, it allows you to hook up a morse key on the audio port :) |
| 07:24:10 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | thanks |
| 07:24:23 | xxL | how good are you at hardware ? |
| 07:24:32 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | Enough to be dangerous |
| 07:24:54 | xxL | what about doing some serious project ? |
| 07:25:15 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | I do serious project, but that's just a hack for fun :) |
| 07:25:21 | xxL | you know what I'd like to have on my Z ? a radio/tv tuner... :) |
| 07:25:27 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | nope |
| 07:25:42 | xxL | nope what ? |
| 07:25:52 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | no I don't know what you'd like on your Z |
| 07:25:54 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | what is it ? |
| 07:26:20 | xxL | a radio and/or tv tunner |
| 07:26:36 | xxL | on the CF slot |
| 07:26:40 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | radio should be easy, but TV, I ain't so sure |
| 07:26:53 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | you sure there isn't a CF radio tuner out there ? |
| 07:27:00 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | surely someone thought the same thing |
| 07:27:23 | xxL | the problem I see with TV is the size of the actual TV tunner. I have a pinnacle on my workstation and the tunner (Panasonic) is quite large |
| 07:27:45 | xxL | and dunno about power consumption |
| 07:28:11 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | the problem I see is : how are you going to shield the tuner from the Z's electronics in the small space of a CF ? |
| 07:29:25 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | brb cigarette |
| 07:29:28 | xxL | put the tuner outside , like a jacket or so ? |
| 07:32:28 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | yeah |
| 07:32:42 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | if the Zaurus' USB port was a server, you could hook up a WinTV |
| 07:32:51 | NeoTron | is away: sleep |
| 07:33:59 | xxL | wintv doesn't look too portable to me |
| 07:34:57 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | I don't know of anything else that's not a PCI card |
| 07:35:44 | xxL | are the PCI and CF ports very different, or are they basically the same ? |
| 07:35:59 | xxL | sucks at hardware |
| 07:36:00 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | yeah |
| 07:36:06 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | CF==PCMCIA |
| 07:36:14 | xxL | oh |
| 07:36:52 | xxL | "CF radio tuner" yielded no relevant results on google... |
| 07:37:02 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | well, that was a long shot :) |
| 07:40:10 | xxL | however, looks like someone did it w/ pcmcia: |
| 07:40:15 | xxL | http://www.pcmall.com/pcmall/shop/detail.asp?dpno=47044&AID=51965&PID=421219 |
| 07:40:38 | xxL | grmbl, that shit is pricey :( |
| 07:41:58 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | oh cool |
| 07:41:58 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | so I guess you could use this to hook it up to the z : |
| 07:41:59 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | http://www.accurite.com/CFPCAdapter.html |
| 07:41:59 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | :) |
| 07:42:12 | xxL | I gotta go to the rail station and pick up a package. |
| 07:42:16 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | k seeya |
| 07:42:18 | xxL | nice talking to you, see ya later |
| 07:42:27 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | k |
| 08:38:29 | xxL | is back |
| 09:05:12 | young | yeah |
| 09:41:02 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | This is soo cool |
| 09:41:12 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | I'm keying morse in the embeddedkonsole :) |
| 09:41:42 | mark_ | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ: LOL |
| 09:41:52 | mark_ | how quick can you go? |
| 09:42:11 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | I can go around 20 wpm, but the software doesn't follow very well :) |
| 09:42:30 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | You should see that, a 1942 straight key plugged onto a 2002 Zaurus :) |
| 09:44:07 | mark_ | hehe |
| 12:16:11 | Fastolfe|ICanDoMorseCodeOnMyZ | presto, new release |
| 13:59:49 | peanut | waves |
| 14:07:20 | Mallory | miradu2000 writes: "Handspring's Treo, the revolutionary new communicator is now shipping. This has been anticipated since October. See the scoop here! This could change the world..." My guess is no, it won't change the world. But it could reduce by one |
| 14:07:27 | Mallory | Silly /. dork, Handsprings are for kids! |
| 14:07:41 | mark_ | Mallory: hehe |
| 14:07:53 | mark_ | Mallory: whats it got? |
| 14:09:00 | Mallory | No idea, just looks like a cellphone with the Visor built in |
| 14:09:01 | Mallory | http://www.visorcentral.com/content/Stories/1386-1.htm |
| 14:11:56 | mark_ | oh right |
| 14:29:57 | bipolar | is back (gone 64:24:35) |
| 14:31:20 | gillus | hi all |
| 15:01:46 | peanut | hey jason! |
| 15:01:53 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 15:01:57 | JasonNJ | hey. |
| 15:02:02 | JasonNJ | stupid question folks. |
| 15:02:10 | JasonNJ | being that I run the uh, developer program and all. |
| 15:02:22 | JasonNJ | the qtopia sdk doesnt come with the compiler toolchain, doesnt it |
| 15:02:32 | peanut | no. |
| 15:02:37 | JasonNJ | I thought so. |
| 15:02:38 | peanut | you need to download it separately |
| 15:02:42 | JasonNJ | where is the best place to download it? |
| 15:02:46 | JasonNJ | developer.sharpsec? |
| 15:02:56 | JasonNJ | cause I am putting together a tools cd |
| 15:07:27 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 64:56:22) |
| 15:08:07 | JasonNJ | seems like the more site has most of the stuff. |
| 15:11:07 | Mallory | Jason: It's on the Contest page |
| 15:11:22 | Mallory | rwm@ryan:~$ rpm -q arm-toolchain-trolltech |
| 15:11:22 | Mallory | arm-toolchain-trolltech-2.95.2-1 |
| 15:11:26 | Mallory | Want me to stash it somewhere for you? |
| 15:20:44 | JasonNJ | no I just downloaded it |
| 15:20:56 | JasonNJ | I will put up the directory for you guys to test |
| 15:21:08 | JasonNJ | so you can tell me if everything is in there a developer needs |
| 15:21:32 | JasonNJ | can you guys http to boxzdev.sharpsec.com ? |
| 15:21:38 | JasonNJ | or is it firewalled |
| 15:22:27 | Mallory | Unable to determine IP address from host name for boxzdev.sharpsec.com |
| 15:23:47 | JasonNJ | what about 172.29.24.80 |
| 15:24:29 | peanut | nothing going.. |
| 15:25:19 | kergoth`work | greetings. |
| 15:26:40 | Mallory | Isn't that one of the private network blocks? :) |
| 15:28:39 | bugfixer | JasonNJ: That is a private IP address i thnk. (Not routable on the Internet) |
| 15:33:16 | peanut | 172.29.24.80 is what i call, locally routeable :) |
| 15:34:21 | bipolar | The zaurus only has 16MB of flash, right? |
| 15:34:55 | peanut | yes |
| 15:35:47 | JasonNJ | Mallory: if you cant get to it, I will put the files up on ZZ in a test area. |
| 15:35:59 | JasonNJ | as a downloadable iso |
| 15:36:25 | peanut | JasonNJ: any word from lineo on the driver |
| 15:36:38 | JasonNJ | peanut: nope. |
| 15:36:45 | peanut | bummer |
| 15:36:48 | JasonNJ | symbol is not being cooperative |
| 15:36:59 | JasonNJ | we may make some progress with socket though |
| 15:36:59 | peanut | oh.. |
| 15:37:08 | JasonNJ | since we are disucssiing licensing stuff with tme |
| 15:37:09 | JasonNJ | them |
| 15:37:11 | bipolar | JasonNJ: Are there going to be any 32MB zaurus'? |
| 15:37:12 | peanut | i'm not talking about that.. i'm talking about connectivity to linux on the desktop |
| 15:37:22 | bipolar | JasonNJ: As in flash? |
| 15:37:27 | JasonNJ | bipolar: the next zaurus is gonna be a lot bigger than that :) |
| 15:37:38 | bipolar | JasonNJ: Tell me |
| 15:37:41 | JasonNJ | cant |
| 15:37:45 | bipolar | JasonNJ: I just lost my iPaq. |
| 15:37:54 | peanut | ok.. speaking of the next Z, is there a estimated timeframe? |
| 15:37:56 | peanut | next year? |
| 15:37:57 | bipolar | JasonNJ: Now I can't get any work done. |
| 15:38:05 | peanut | 6 months after the 55 |
| 15:38:11 | JasonNJ | bipolar: the 5500 ships next month |
| 15:38:23 | bipolar | JasonNJ: -sigh- |
| 15:38:24 | JasonNJ | the one after that in the summer/fall timeframe |
| 15:38:54 | JasonNJ | we only have an internal code name for it and the desired design specs |
| 15:39:07 | JasonNJ | much of it is on the table right now, and I am directly involved with a lot of it |
| 15:39:15 | JasonNJ | so I cant really talk about it. |
| 15:39:20 | mark_ | is there gonna be a central resource anywhere for Z apps? (once the contest apps are released) |
| 15:39:29 | JasonNJ | but suffice to say you will like it and it will blow everything else away. |
| 15:39:37 | JasonNJ | yes handango. |
| 15:39:52 | JasonNJ | same thing palm uses |
| 15:39:59 | mark_ | good good |
| 15:40:01 | bipolar | JasonNJ: ok. But I need to get somthing now so that I can work on Opie. |
| 15:40:17 | mark_ | bipolar: is it _that_ lost? |
| 15:40:25 | JasonNJ | bipolar: well, the 5000 is still a very good machine |
| 15:40:31 | bipolar | mark_: I have no idea where it could be. |
| 15:40:39 | JasonNJ | and we are going to be doing another promotion on it soon |
| 15:40:48 | JasonNJ | to get the rest out of inventory |
| 15:40:55 | bipolar | mark_: it might have sliped out of the case, but the case was always in the car. |
| 15:40:56 | peanut | ahh.. |
| 15:41:12 | mark_ | JasonNJ: zaurus 2 gonna be Qtopia 2/qt3? |
| 15:41:27 | bipolar | mark_: So the only place it could be is in a parking lot somewhere, smashed into 1k peices. |
| 15:41:43 | mark_ | bipolar: oh dear :( poor little ipaq |
| 15:42:24 | bipolar | mark_: I bought that iPaq when I found out that I could run linux on it. Started with version .13 of the hh.org dist. |
| 15:42:38 | mark_ | bipolar: sweet. |
| 15:42:51 | mark_ | bipolar: how long ago was that |
| 15:42:54 | bipolar | mark_: yeah, but now it's gone. |
| 15:43:06 | mark_ | senses bipolar is close to tears :) |
| 15:43:24 | bipolar | mark_: umm... oct of 2000/2001? |
| 15:43:52 | mark_ | hehe. oh well, a good excuse to get a brand new device |
| 15:44:01 | JasonNJ | anyone know of a good kde or x front end to mkisofs? |
| 15:44:19 | bipolar | mark_: .13 was in August of 2000. |
| 15:44:37 | bipolar | JasonNJ: XCD-ROAST? |
| 15:44:43 | JasonNJ | mark_: I cant comment on that |
| 15:45:13 | JasonNJ | yeah xcdroast ok |
| 15:45:15 | JasonNJ | I used to use that |
| 15:45:25 | peanut | likes gnome-toaster |
| 15:46:03 | Mallory | likes cdrecord / mkisofs / mpg123 :) |
| 15:46:10 | mark_ | JasonNJ: okay :) |
| 15:46:37 | JasonNJ | whats the syntax to make a directory into an ISO? |
| 15:49:19 | peanut | JasonNJ: any idea when sharpmobile will go live? |
| 15:49:52 | mark_ | presumably qpe2 and 1 and BC. how is this gonna work? |
| 15:51:40 | Mallory | jason: Generally `mkisofs -R -J -o /where/you/want/this.iso .' |
| 15:52:04 | Mallory | -R = Rock Ridge, -J = Joilet extensions, -o = output file, . = cwd |
| 15:52:46 | JasonNJ | mallory where are you specifying the directory |
| 15:52:50 | JasonNJ | the source |
| 15:53:13 | Mallory | ., the curret directory |
| 15:53:27 | JasonNJ | does it know to recurse subdirectories |
| 15:53:32 | Mallory | So cd /home/jason && mkisofs -R -J -o /tmp/jasonhome.iso . |
| 15:53:36 | Mallory | Yup |
| 15:53:38 | JasonNJ | okay |
| 15:53:41 | JasonNJ | simple enough |
| 15:53:47 | JasonNJ | how many directories can you go down |
| 15:53:51 | JasonNJ | whats the limitation |
| 15:54:07 | Mallory | I don't think there is a limit (not seeing on on the man page with a quick search) |
| 15:54:22 | JasonNJ | ok I will try to keep it under 3 levels deep |
| 15:54:38 | Mallory | You can go much more then that. I've had at least twenty level deep before. |
| 15:54:54 | Mallory | (we rsync & burn backups of our production machines, and those are really deep) |
| 15:59:29 | JasonNJ | I am literally putting EVERYTHING from the sharp developer site, plus the sdk's, plus selected material from sourceforge and ZZ on this CD |
| 15:59:37 | JasonNJ | plus all source |
| 16:00:04 | JasonNJ | I will try to update the ISO weekly |
| 16:00:53 | JasonNJ | ultimately I would like to bundle a linux distro with it too |
| 16:01:18 | JasonNJ | maybe some brave soul can come up with a debian or a redhat which is stripped down that will install with it |
| 16:29:14 | Mallory | If you dont' need X I'll bundle EnGarde with it :) |
| 16:30:54 | JasonNJ | damn sourceforge is slow today |
| 16:31:15 | JasonNJ | yeah you kinda need X to develop Qt apps. :) |
| 16:31:41 | JasonNJ | I'm thinking something very stripped down with KDE , qtopia sdk and arm toolchain preloaded |
| 16:41:42 | whardier | heads off to work |
| 16:42:36 | treke | JasonNJ : run QTopia on x86 framebuffer :) |
| 16:44:18 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 17:14:23 | carey | JasonNJ: Any chance that sharp could include the Yahoo sync module with Intellisync |
| 17:45:03 | Nightvisi | any avantgo type software out yet for the Z? |
| 18:01:29 | whardier | I left for a month and everybody wants to break my knees |
| 18:01:43 | kergoth`work | hah |
| 18:01:45 | kergoth`work | wtf |
| 18:01:56 | whardier | I had some "mild" work to do remotely from the island |
| 18:02:07 | whardier | but during those times the networks were either down or non existant |
| 18:02:18 | whardier | and now there are a ton of PR issues |
| 18:02:31 | whardier | because I was fucking trapped on an island with a bunk internet system |
| 18:02:47 | whardier | working 8 hours more aday than I was told |
| 18:03:14 | kergoth`work | eh. that sucks |
| 18:03:42 | whardier | yeah |
| 18:03:53 | whardier | like I was told "it might be best to work remotely for a week or two" |
| 18:04:03 | whardier | thank god my boss loves me |
| 18:32:26 | JasonNJ | Mallory: how do you preserve long filenames when doing the mkisofs |
| 18:33:46 | Mallory | -J does that |
| 18:33:51 | Mallory | Joilet extensions |
| 18:33:58 | JasonNJ | ok I did that |
| 18:34:07 | Mallory | It builds a translation table which translates the short to long filenames. |
| 18:34:09 | JasonNJ | but when I ran the command it look like it might have turncated some |
| 18:34:19 | JasonNJ | I ran it the exact way you told me |
| 18:34:26 | JasonNJ | or is that the file it is keepin in the database |
| 18:34:37 | Mallory | It should work. If you want to check it before you burn it mount it with "mount -o loop this.iso /mnt/iso" |
| 18:35:15 | file | where am I? in a database? GET ME OUT!!! |
| 18:35:26 | Mallory | heh, Help me before I get replicated!@# |
| 18:36:02 | JasonNJ | ok the iso seems to work. |
| 18:36:10 | JasonNJ | gimme a few minutes to get it up on ZZ. |
| 18:36:13 | file | WHERE'S THE MAILMAN! |
| 18:36:18 | file | I want my VTech Helio gah dang it! |
| 18:44:07 | Neo|Work | morning |
| 18:44:32 | kergoth | Neo|Work: mornin |
| 18:45:26 | Neo|Work | finished upgrading (open)sshd to get x forwardig to work again |
| 18:45:34 | Neo|Work | had to fight with it some to get it all working tho |
| 18:47:57 | scanline | is away: class |
| 18:48:31 | bipolar | is back (gone 02:04:13) |
| 18:50:27 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: yo. |
| 18:52:23 | Neo|Work | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/edict_0.3b_arm.ipk <-- now with more functionality. :-PP |
| 18:52:32 | file | won a hockey puck |
| 19:02:40 | MEGASTeP | is back (gone 62:00:21) |
| 19:05:47 | BigBoss | what's up good today? |
| 19:06:14 | kergoth | hey shawn |
| 19:06:16 | kergoth | hows it goin? |
| 19:09:32 | BigBoss | we've got some more embedded apps coming up shortly :) |
| 19:09:37 | BigBoss | hopefully 2 next week |
| 19:09:43 | BigBoss | and a few more in the next month |
| 19:09:47 | peanut | nice |
| 19:09:56 | peanut | any cheap upgrade for us package owners? |
| 19:10:21 | BigBoss | the bundle price is going to jump to $99.95 when I add the rest of these |
| 19:10:29 | BigBoss | you already got a 33% discount :) |
| 19:10:44 | BigBoss | I should think of a way to bundle the new stuff for existing bundle customers |
| 19:10:50 | peanut | what type of apps? |
| 19:10:52 | BigBoss | not quite sure how though |
| 19:11:07 | BigBoss | some will blow your mind, others will just be useful, but I don't like to preannounce stuff |
| 19:11:31 | kergoth | BigBoss: nice, looking forward to them |
| 19:11:33 | kergoth | hey max |
| 19:11:38 | msmax | hi |
| 19:11:46 | BigBoss | hi max |
| 19:11:54 | BigBoss | did you see the email about kivio mp yet? |
| 19:12:04 | msmax | yes, send answer |
| 19:12:46 | BigBoss | did you include me? |
| 19:14:02 | finkployd | BigBoss: I'd pay for a 3270 Client on the Z :) |
| 19:14:22 | BigBoss | 3270? what is that, an IBM terminal type or something? |
| 19:14:34 | finkployd | BigBoss: yup |
| 19:14:40 | finkployd | Mainframe terminal |
| 19:15:16 | Neo|Work | how about tektronix support? :-)) |
| 19:15:32 | finkployd | Unfrotunatly it requires 80x25 characters, so I can't use my console one |
| 19:15:37 | BigBoss | a friend of mines software company does IBM emulators, www.minisoft.com |
| 19:16:28 | finkployd | A signal strength meter for wireless cards would kick ass on the Z... |
| 19:16:58 | kergoth | finkployd: yeah a few developers are working on that, iirc |
| 19:17:00 | finkployd | and enable us to once and for all settle the debate over which is the best card to use |
| 19:17:14 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 19:17:28 | finkployd | I have one as a dock applet for windowmaker, shouldn't take much to port it |
| 19:17:32 | Neo|Work | waits for his Visor Edge to charge |
| 19:17:56 | finkployd | A non-binary bettery meter would also be appreciated :) |
| 19:18:01 | finkployd | battery |
| 19:18:20 | BigBoss | in this case "bettery" is appropriate :) |
| 19:18:28 | finkployd | heh |
| 19:18:32 | kergoth | finkployd: ? what do you mean non binary? |
| 19:18:46 | finkployd | It has two settings. Full or 25% |
| 19:18:56 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:18:57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:18:59 | finkployd | I've never once seen any other value for it |
| 19:19:01 | Neo|Work | sure it's not just the battery that has such characteristics? |
| 19:19:01 | kergoth | that does get annoying |
| 19:19:21 | Neo|Work | i.e some batteries have more or less a square charge curve (i.e full or "empty") |
| 19:19:41 | finkployd | I suppose it could be the battery, but then I've never seen any other PDA that does that. |
| 19:19:55 | finkployd | Even my Palm III could give me an accurate reading on my AAA batteries |
| 19:19:57 | Neo|Work | is just guessing. |
| 19:20:12 | peanut | JasonNJ: whats your take on the battery issue |
| 19:20:28 | Neo|Work | well, normal non-rechargable batteries usually wouldn't have that issue I believe |
| 19:20:31 | Neo|Work | but I'm jus guessing |
| 19:20:32 | BigBoss | jason is probably in a meeting :) |
| 19:20:49 | BigBoss | gotta run - I'll be back in a bit |
| 19:20:52 | Neo|Work | any word on the announcement for the beta submissions btw? |
| 19:23:48 | finkployd | is away: |
| 19:32:22 | Hellaenergy | How long does it take once the Palm and the z notice eachothers irDa sig to shake hands? |
| 19:33:27 | Hellaenergy | I just tried syncing with a CASIOPEDA PockPC and it seems like the casio could smell the z but it does nothing. |
| 19:33:56 | Hellaenergy | At least not for like 2-3min. After that I gave up. |
| 19:35:09 | BigBoss | i'm back 0 did anyone miss me? |
| 19:37:04 | Neo|Work | as always... :-_ |
| 19:37:08 | Neo|Work | gah. :-P |
| 19:37:34 | JasonNJ | anyone want to test out a developer CD ISO? |
| 19:37:41 | JasonNJ | its a real raw initial release of tools and stuff. |
| 19:37:52 | JasonNJ | basically a compliation of what is online. |
| 19:37:54 | peanut | will take a look.. where is it? |
| 19:38:06 | BigBoss | is this the distro one you wanted to do or just the tools? |
| 19:38:08 | JasonNJ | http://www.zauruszone.com/files/devcd021102.iso |
| 19:38:09 | Hellaenergy | sure |
| 19:38:29 | zero1 | hello all |
| 19:38:36 | JasonNJ | 181MB |
| 19:38:39 | zero1 | i have a question and i don't know who else to ask |
| 19:38:49 | Hellaenergy | Thanks for the warnning |
| 19:39:09 | BigBoss | jason: is there a list of what is on it somewhere? |
| 19:39:42 | zero1 | i'm trying to figure out how to create/make/get a *S.so file for libmyodbc.so |
| 19:39:47 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: eek, relatively slow download speeds for me - 10K/sec or so |
| 19:39:53 | zero1 | a libmyodbcS.so |
| 19:40:04 | zero1 | anyone know what i need? i'd appricate the help |
| 19:40:42 | zero1 | they call it a setup library, but i have no idea what that is |
| 19:41:36 | JasonNJ | BigBoss: thres a a readme file on the ISO |
| 19:41:51 | JasonNJ | this is a very preliminary release |
| 19:42:07 | JasonNJ | just something I whipped up so sharp can send it out to some premier accounts |
| 19:42:17 | JasonNJ | and its the basis for what I am working on for Javaone |
| 19:43:12 | JasonNJ | I'll post the readme on ZaurusZone with the link |
| 19:43:29 | Neo|Work | `...e.com/files/devcd021102.iso' at 3051352 (1%) 12.3K/s eta:4h19m [Receiving d |
| 19:52:42 | BigBoss | for some reason my network is unreachable now - any suggestions? |
| 19:52:55 | Neo|Work | `...e.com/files/devcd021102.iso' at 4894656 (2%) eta:4d17h [Receiving data] <-- eek |
| 19:53:18 | Mallory | <DOG TYPE="TACOBELL"> I think we need a beeger pipe </DOG> |
| 19:54:03 | peanut | zzone is dogging big time |
| 19:54:06 | Neo|Work | oh, I give up. too slow. 5d now. |
| 19:56:36 | Neo|Work | say whatever you want about Palm' |
| 19:56:48 | Neo|Work | devices. The Visor Edge is really slick |
| 19:58:25 | BigBoss | I still have my original visor from when they first shipped |
| 19:58:27 | BigBoss | i love it |
| 19:58:38 | finkployd | Ok, feature request, Jason: |
| 20:00:09 | finkployd | When a CF wireless card is in, there should be some way to easily toggle it on or off (for power consumption reasons). I know I can click the card icon to shut it off, but I should also be able to turn it back one easier than going to the terminal and typing "cardctl insert" |
| 20:00:46 | finkployd | Maybe if I could set the CF icon to be always there and let me insert/remove it by clicking on it |
| 20:01:23 | dkl | have Eject Card change to Insert Card depending on it's status |
| 20:01:44 | peanut | dkl: that won't work either.. |
| 20:01:47 | finkployd | exactly |
| 20:01:51 | peanut | just pulls the card out a little and puts it back in |
| 20:02:01 | dkl | oh ok |
| 20:02:30 | finkployd | That works but it looks silly to be doing that in a meeting. Plus I imagine it isn't good for either the card or socket to be constantly doing thayt |
| 20:02:37 | peanut | probably not.. |
| 20:02:45 | peanut | its not a perfect solution. |
| 20:03:04 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: have a deluxe and now the edge |
| 20:03:26 | peanut | it is doable mind you.. |
| 20:03:32 | finkployd | What is wrong with having a stop/start card option when you click on the CF icon |
| 20:03:32 | peanut | but would require retraining users :) |
| 20:03:33 | Neo|Work | the edge is so much cooler looking than the deluxe (and smaller). Plus it's metal and have a nice screen cover which also protects from accidently pressing the power button |
| 20:06:07 | Fastolfe | hello everybody |
| 20:06:13 | BigBoss | hey |
| 20:08:09 | peanut | yawns.. |
| 20:09:09 | ljp_work | hi Fatie |
| 20:09:14 | ljp_work | err Fastie |
| 20:09:17 | ljp_work | heh |
| 20:09:40 | peanut | hehe |
| 20:10:50 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 20:10:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:10:53 | kergoth | sup Fastolfe |
| 20:11:58 | finkployd | should learn morse code and try for his ham radio license |
| 20:12:05 | finkployd | I've been meaning to do that for years |
| 20:12:20 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 20:12:41 | finkployd | maybe somebody (hint) could write a morse code training program for the Z :) |
| 20:12:41 | Fastolfe | It's easy, especially 5wpm |
| 20:13:01 | Fastolfe | Somebody should do that indeede ;-) |
| 20:13:12 | ljp_work | that's funny that you still need morse code to get a ham license.. |
| 20:13:27 | finkployd | ljp_work: actually, you don't |
| 20:13:29 | Fastolfe | you don't |
| 20:13:34 | Fastolfe | only certain license |
| 20:13:35 | Fastolfe | only certain licenses |
| 20:13:44 | ljp_work | hmm.. ahh |
| 20:13:55 | finkployd | You can get a Tech license without one, I think you can also get a Novice license without it, you just can't use some of the cooler bands |
| 20:14:03 | finkployd | Morse code is still important |
| 20:14:27 | Fastolfe | I'm not using amateurs bands at all anymore with morse :) |
| 20:14:53 | Fastolfe | My hobby these days is modulating under 30KHz |
| 20:15:04 | Fastolfe | which is free |
| 20:15:45 | ljp_work | can't beat free modulation! |
| 20:22:44 | BigBoss | is away since 12:26:58 PM - automagically set away after 10 min idling. Msglog [ON] |
| 20:22:54 | BigBoss | is back |
| 20:26:24 | Mallory | is front. |
| 20:26:30 | Mallory | Does $135 for a 128mb SD card sound good? |
| 20:26:44 | Mallory | I've been looking on and off. I think it's really time I inveseted in one... |
| 20:27:09 | BigBoss | not really |
| 20:29:53 | Mallory | I'll keep looking. :) |
| 20:32:10 | mtm | Mallory: you should be able to get 256 for that price |
| 20:32:39 | mtm | Mallory: oh, wait |
| 20:32:42 | Hellaenergy | Anyone else getting spammed by Ray Santiago's [Zaurus-qtopia]fwd: Screwed up 1.11 ROM installation.................. Email? |
| 20:32:43 | mtm | Mallory: you said sd |
| 20:33:02 | mtm | Mallory: I was thinking CF. That might not be bad for SD. |
| 20:33:16 | Mallory | Yeah, I already have a 128mb CF |
| 20:33:53 | whardier | hi |
| 20:34:12 | mtm | Mallory: you might actually want to look for MMC (the non-secure SD) |
| 20:34:26 | whardier | it is less.. suck |
| 20:34:27 | mtm | Mallory: I think it's a little cheaper, and the Z doesn't use the secure part of it anyhow |
| 20:34:55 | whardier | Q: how is it secure? |
| 20:35:16 | mtm | whardier: no clue |
| 20:35:27 | mtm | not sure if it's in the drivers or in the hardware itself |
| 20:35:28 | whardier | I mean.. not like you pass it a code |
| 20:35:31 | mtm | some sort of encryption |
| 20:35:34 | whardier | ok |
| 20:35:37 | whardier | but where is the key? |
| 20:35:41 | mtm | dunno |
| 20:35:45 | mtm | guess the drivers |
| 20:35:46 | whardier | this cunfuses me greatly |
| 20:35:47 | kergoth | whardier: i have a rootfs skeleton put together that boots on the Z using jffs2.. very minimal. shortly i'll have the buildsystem actually producing a usable jffs2 rootfs. |
| 20:35:54 | mtm | like with DVDs |
| 20:35:58 | whardier | kergoth you are my main man man |
| 20:36:06 | whardier | I should be able to do more OZ stuff now |
| 20:36:26 | whardier | I was just told that for my personal health and the PC of everybody.. I should work remotely for a few weeks |
| 20:36:34 | kergoth | whardier: once ive gotten that far with the buildsystem, i'm going to work on getting the jffs2 bootstrap image put together to load familiar on a Z, cuz thatd be nifty. |
| 20:36:36 | whardier | remotely for me is a straight 802.11b back to work :) |
| 20:36:46 | kergoth | whardier: eh thats messed up. they not liking you at this point? |
| 20:36:50 | whardier | well |
| 20:36:53 | whardier | two people hate my guts |
| 20:36:58 | whardier | cause they are perfectionists |
| 20:37:16 | whardier | and do not understand why I could not work on stuff back home when I was in alaska.. when the network on the island was down |
| 20:37:18 | BigBoss | is away since 12:41:32 PM - automagically set away after 10 min idling. Msglog [ON] |
| 20:37:18 | whardier | it makes no sense |
| 20:37:20 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:37:21 | whardier | and they are bitter |
| 20:37:21 | kergoth | fools |
| 20:37:43 | whardier | I wonder what kind of perfect plan perfectionists have for when their perfection goofs |
| 20:37:56 | whardier | it seems to me that perfectionists are highly unstable |
| 20:38:05 | whardier | I think we should have a government quarentine |
| 20:38:27 | whardier | kergoth where is your work atm? |
| 20:38:45 | kergoth | what company? |
| 20:39:07 | whardier | for OZ |
| 20:39:43 | kergoth | ah ic |
| 20:40:04 | kergoth | well oz 2.6 is /home/kergoth/roms/oldbuild/root_cramfs-beta2.6 or something like that |
| 20:40:11 | whardier | and the new kernel? |
| 20:40:14 | kergoth | the buildsystem is /home/kergoth/roms/buildroot-oz/ |
| 20:40:24 | kergoth | 'make linux' in the buildsystem dir creates a jffs2 capable kernel |
| 20:40:35 | whardier | with smallfonts + stuff? |
| 20:40:38 | kergoth | cp -a buildroot-oz into your working area and mess with it there |
| 20:40:41 | kergoth | smallfonts isnt added yet |
| 20:40:45 | kergoth | thats on my todo list |
| 20:40:48 | whardier | what is added |
| 20:40:51 | whardier | is it plain atm? |
| 20:41:07 | kergoth | well, plain + bzflag's jffs2 patch, iirc |
| 20:41:16 | kergoth | check out configs/linux.mk in the buildroot-oz dir |
| 20:41:35 | whardier | neat |
| 20:42:16 | whardier | this cobolt qube is neat |
| 20:42:28 | whardier | I am trying to get ahold of the person who made the kernel.. so I can make another one |
| 20:42:39 | whardier | they left out a hell of a lot of stuff |
| 20:42:58 | whardier | its just scary that my pda is only 50mips slower |
| 20:42:59 | kergoth | ah yeah, ive worked with those boxes. pretty nifty. |
| 20:43:02 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:43:13 | whardier | kergoth this one we stole from alaska |
| 20:43:15 | dragorn | whardier: Not measuring that off bogomips I hope |
| 20:43:18 | whardier | first I loaded netbsd on it |
| 20:43:24 | whardier | then I got bored |
| 20:43:28 | whardier | and found a debian-cobolt image |
| 20:43:34 | whardier | so I installed that |
| 20:43:36 | whardier | and it is 2.4.5 |
| 20:43:42 | whardier | much better than 2.0.3x that was on it |
| 20:43:50 | whardier | but a little slower than netbsd |
| 20:44:17 | whardier | bogomips on risc systems are almost too acurate to the actual mhz |
| 20:44:53 | BZFlag | kergoth: smallfonts (my patch ;-) should add right in. just edit the linux.mk. |
| 20:44:55 | dragorn | Bogomips are worthless on any system, and doubly so cross-platform. |
| 20:45:02 | BZFlag | want me to do that as well? |
| 20:45:11 | kergoth | BZFlag: yeah, i was gonna do that but havent had time |
| 20:45:28 | kergoth | BZFlag: if you'd like, doesnt matter to me really :-) |
| 20:45:42 | BZFlag | whardier: got a qube huh? I've just put one up running 2.4.5 and debian-mips. |
| 20:46:24 | whardier | BZFlag MEE TOO! |
| 20:46:37 | whardier | I did that a whole of.. yesterday |
| 20:46:46 | whardier | I spent 2 hours making a serial cable :) |
| 20:47:01 | whardier | then I spent 2 hours cursing at the netbsd netboot |
| 20:47:09 | whardier | then I spent 2 hours installing netbsd correctly |
| 20:47:15 | whardier | then I said.. this is neat |
| 20:47:19 | whardier | it runs fast |
| 20:47:20 | whardier | oh look |
| 20:47:23 | whardier | debian-cobolt |
| 20:47:36 | whardier | then I spent 10 minutes untarring debian-cobolt into /dev/hda1 |
| 20:47:38 | whardier | then it booted |
| 20:47:43 | whardier | then I cursed some more |
| 20:47:49 | whardier | that I should have just done that with netbsd |
| 20:48:16 | whardier | either way.. netbsd has a much smaller fanbase and I was having issues even finding resources that could anser my newbie questinos |
| 20:48:41 | BZFlag | fixed the rtc yet? |
| 20:48:49 | whardier | that was in the kernel |
| 20:49:14 | BZFlag | it's somewhat broken. there is a rtc.o there, but it won't load. |
| 20:49:14 | whardier | there is a debian-cobolt sourceforge project with no files |
| 20:49:27 | whardier | so I dont know what kernel configs they had going on.. including patches |
| 20:49:34 | whardier | but I need to add ipfilter and sockets |
| 20:49:34 | BZFlag | librt.so causes seg-faults. that's why ls dies. |
| 20:49:44 | whardier | BZFlag I fixed that .. sorta |
| 20:49:47 | whardier | apt-get install busybox |
| 20:49:51 | BZFlag | heh |
| 20:49:58 | whardier | I was tired of sleep and ls not working |
| 20:50:12 | BZFlag | I copied ls,ntpdate and tar from the old cobalt stuff. |
| 20:50:14 | whardier | you would not happen to have a librt bin laying around that works? |
| 20:50:24 | BZFlag | I'd like to fit librt though. |
| 20:50:25 | whardier | oh ntpdate worked! |
| 20:50:29 | whardier | I was rather shocked |
| 20:50:50 | BZFlag | apt-get install ntpdate - then ntpdate nic.near.net - segfaulted for me. same cause. |
| 20:51:04 | whardier | try bigben.cac.washington.edu </joke> |
| 20:51:08 | whardier | brb.. left mtn dew in car |
| 20:53:09 | BZFlag | whardier: well. more qube talk in #linux-mips if you like. |
| 20:53:18 | whardier | haha |
| 20:53:21 | whardier | that makes sense |
| 21:05:35 | whardier | WOW |
| 21:05:40 | whardier | a QT EBAY AUCTION TOOL! |
| 21:05:50 | whardier | would be a neat thing to have/program |
| 21:14:04 | Trisk[awaay] | yup.. |
| 21:27:55 | JasonNJ | anyone test out my developer cd yet? |
| 21:28:32 | finkployd | JasonNJ: developer cd? |
| 21:28:42 | JasonNJ | when you install the rpm versions of the toolchain where does RPM put it |
| 21:28:46 | JasonNJ | finkployd: see zauruszone |
| 21:28:52 | finkployd | gotcha |
| 21:28:55 | kergoth | JasonNJ: /opt/Embedix |
| 21:29:24 | kergoth | woot. the buildsystem finally produces a jffs2 root image that actually works on the Z. took long enough |
| 21:29:25 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:30:17 | JasonNJ | kergoth: ok I have the libs, the cross compilers, and the headers installed. anything else I gotta do to get my environment setup besides the qtopia sdk?? |
| 21:30:26 | JasonNJ | I want to start building some code from the contest. |
| 21:30:31 | JasonNJ | I'm kinda behind. |
| 21:30:48 | kergoth | JasonNJ: just need to make sure your environment variables are set right |
| 21:33:01 | finkployd | these rpms will not screw up my current system in any way, right? |
| 21:40:17 | whardier | OK.. its time fooooor "Whardiers unreasonable request of the day!!" |
| 21:40:19 | whardier | you guys ready? |
| 21:41:36 | finkployd | already made his unreasonable request |
| 21:41:57 | finkployd | all I have left is a constant bitch about the battery meter :) |
| 21:42:02 | whardier | well.. how about a Dual 100bt eepro100 CF card |
| 21:42:18 | whardier | do you know how much fun that would be |
| 21:42:31 | whardier | with a MTI switch on it |
| 21:42:33 | whardier | hehe |
| 21:42:33 | whardier | wow |
| 21:42:36 | whardier | that would be fun |
| 21:43:08 | finkployd | has had bad luck with linux and eepro cards |
| 21:44:07 | mandrake | actually, providing you're using the drivers that dragan worked on you should be okay. |
| 21:44:40 | mandrake | the problem with eepro cards tend to be more that people put stuff returning wrong version information from them |
| 21:44:53 | mandrake | which there are tons of specific workarounds for different versions of them |
| 21:45:18 | whardier | I got used to a dual eepro100 card we were working with in alaska |
| 21:45:24 | whardier | they worked wonderfully for bridging |
| 21:45:36 | whardier | now I want something with two nics on it for CF |
| 21:45:49 | whardier | so I can go into somebody's business |
| 21:45:54 | whardier | patch in to the single line going to the router |
| 21:46:05 | whardier | and tell everybody who is looking at porn ATM |
| 21:46:08 | whardier | hehe |
| 21:46:19 | whardier | ntop is some evil ass shit |
| 21:46:22 | mandrake | whardier: wouldn't you rather do it at your firewall? |
| 21:46:40 | whardier | mandrake anywhere where there is a single line going to the rest of the network really |
| 21:46:51 | mandrake | whardier: I mean, instead of on an ipaq. |
| 21:46:54 | whardier | haha |
| 21:46:57 | mandrake | or zaurus or whatnot |
| 21:46:59 | whardier | the point is to impress people |
| 21:47:08 | whardier | look.. my pda is routing all your traffic |
| 21:47:27 | whardier | look.. bob on bobscom.domain.com is looking at thehun.net |
| 21:47:42 | whardier | look.. I can spy on all outgoing email streams |
| 21:47:53 | whardier | you know.. fun stuff like that :) |
| 21:48:12 | whardier | hey mandrake did E ever get ported to SA? |
| 21:48:39 | mandrake | 'ported' ? |
| 21:48:42 | whardier | sorry |
| 21:48:44 | whardier | xcompiled |
| 21:49:01 | mandrake | I wrote some workarounds for the crappy crossbreed load that they had on the original netwinder back in 98 or so |
| 21:49:06 | mandrake | (I've still got one at home) |
| 21:49:10 | whardier | just bought a netwinder |
| 21:49:23 | whardier | on ebay |
| 21:49:23 | whardier | heh |
| 21:49:34 | mandrake | there is a pic somewhere holdon |
| 21:49:38 | whardier | cool |
| 21:49:45 | whardier | also are you involved with Evas as well? |
| 21:49:51 | whardier | I do not follow the credits all that often |
| 21:50:22 | mandrake | http://mandrake.net/images/corel.e.jpg |
| 21:50:23 | whardier | we have a public access channel on an island in alaska.. we were gonna use either SDL or evas for it |
| 21:50:31 | mandrake | yeah I did some work on evas and imlib2 |
| 21:50:41 | mandrake | I wrote a text rendering engine (etox) that runs atop evas, too |
| 21:50:43 | bipolar | whardier: my Eva is in my secret underground cave under Long Island. It's the only way I can get enough power to it. |
| 21:50:51 | bipolar | hehe |
| 21:51:04 | whardier | bipolar are you running power coils near the subways? |
| 21:51:15 | bipolar | hehehe |
| 21:51:32 | whardier | mandrake well it was the text rendering that we were most interested in.. |
| 21:51:44 | mandrake | whardier: etox. |
| 21:51:45 | whardier | god damn.. it feels good to be back home |
| 21:52:04 | mandrake | built all sorts of interesting stuff on top of evas for rendering text. |
| 21:52:05 | whardier | mandrake: spiffy.. that might be just what we need |
| 21:52:15 | mandrake | and a decent demo app to show it off |
| 21:52:21 | mandrake | which needs to be reworked a lot |
| 21:52:25 | whardier | mandrake feel like getting sub pixel rendering working in libqt/qpe? |
| 21:52:27 | whardier | hahaha |
| 21:52:44 | mandrake | I'm not a big fan of Qt, after having used it for about a month or so. |
| 21:52:44 | whardier | ist the perfect job for the king of eye candy |
| 21:53:07 | mandrake | it's seriously obtuse in some pretty basic ways. |
| 21:53:32 | whardier | I did a small amount of testing with sub pixel stuff |
| 21:53:47 | whardier | basically comes down to.. I need a microscope for confirming results |
| 21:53:52 | mandrake | I mean, even after I get over having not used C++ much in over 10 years |
| 21:54:19 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 21:54:24 | whardier | mandrake: I was new to C++ before the QT contest |
| 21:54:28 | scanline | is back (gone 03:06:30) |
| 21:55:11 | mandrake | I entered an app into that contest. |
| 21:55:12 | whardier | watches more Blue Seed |
| 21:55:22 | mandrake | http://mandrake.net/images/kutabi.jpg |
| 21:55:34 | whardier | mandrake I decided to work on OZ instead of write an app |
| 21:55:49 | mandrake | it reads text aloud to you |
| 21:55:57 | whardier | heyyy... |
| 21:56:00 | whardier | thats clever |
| 21:56:02 | whardier | mbrola? |
| 21:56:05 | kergoth | mandrake: that app looks quite nifty |
| 21:56:12 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:56:32 | whardier | damn |
| 21:56:32 | mandrake | it's what we use to showcase our technology now |
| 21:56:40 | whardier | you don't live to far away from work do you bzflag |
| 21:58:09 | mandrake | but I use the ipaq to demo since the zaurus doesn't have a builtin speaker |
| 21:59:20 | scanline | is away: back to the wet room |
| 21:59:21 | whardier | mandrake: :( |
| 21:59:24 | whardier | that is soo true |
| 21:59:25 | whardier | has a Z |
| 21:59:27 | whardier | it does not speak |
| 21:59:36 | whardier | however ESD worked great on it :) |
| 21:59:47 | whardier | I was using that to replace my broken alarm clock for a while :) |
| 22:01:55 | BZFlag | whardier: heh, nope. ;-) |
| 22:11:38 | whardier | anyways.. I hurt a lot of peoples feelings at one contract by leaving for a month to go to alaska |
| 22:12:00 | whardier | because somebody could not check there mail and I was unavailable |
| 22:12:04 | whardier | there were lots of harch feelings |
| 22:12:10 | whardier | turns out it was not my fault |
| 22:13:16 | whardier | turns out it was not my fault |
| 22:13:17 | whardier | err |
| 22:13:21 | whardier | sorry. wifi error |
| 22:13:33 | whardier | but PR said I might be best working remotely for a week or two |
| 22:13:43 | whardier | apparently some people wanna break my legs |
| 22:14:09 | whardier | and have never met my very shinie collection of large metal sharp pokie thingies |
| 22:15:38 | binary | excuse my non-zaurus question but i need to downgrade my gcc to 2.95 (from 2.96)......but kernel-source is tied to it - can I remove kernel source as well? |
| 22:16:41 | binary | i have the 2.95 version, im just removing 2.96 beforehand |
| 22:18:23 | kergoth | binary: if you dont need the kernel source, remove the kernel source, otherwise install 2.95 first |
| 22:18:32 | kergoth | binary: btw this is probably a question for #linusers or #redhat |
| 22:18:46 | binary | linusers or linuxusers? |
| 22:19:31 | kergoth | hell i dont remember.. never actually been there |
| 22:19:33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:19:36 | binary | hehe |
| 22:19:39 | kergoth | go to the channel for your linux distro |
| 22:19:40 | binary | trial and error then |
| 22:20:10 | whardier | Augh |
| 22:20:11 | whardier | damnit |
| 22:20:12 | whardier | :( |
| 22:20:14 | kergoth | whardier: ? |
| 22:20:24 | whardier | needs to compile pcmcia-cs for the qube now |
| 22:20:30 | whardier | it is becoming my gateway it looks like |
| 22:20:48 | whardier | my gateway is suffering from HD disorder |
| 22:21:43 | kergoth | so clean it up |
| 22:21:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:22:06 | whardier | well |
| 22:22:08 | whardier | its bad blocking |
| 22:23:15 | whardier | is prairy doggin it |
| 22:25:34 | whardier | remounts his gateway hd into ro mode |
| 22:30:58 | scanline | is back (gone 00:31:39) |
| 22:48:13 | scribe | Hey guys. Did anyone get confirmation that their app was submitted for the contest? Any word on when finalists will be picked? |
| 22:55:34 | Neo|Work | scribe: you got an automated email after you submitted, haven't heard anything on finalists |
| 22:55:37 | Neo|Work | or when |
| 22:55:43 | whardier | I never got anything |
| 22:55:47 | whardier | should bother kergoth about that |
| 22:56:42 | kergoth | about what? |
| 22:56:42 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:56:47 | whardier | are we "both entered" |
| 22:56:52 | whardier | or are we making a personal agreement? |
| 22:57:06 | kergoth | ah, jason mentioned that there was no way to enter us both on the same project |
| 22:57:09 | kergoth | so its a personal agreement |
| 22:57:11 | whardier | ok |
| 22:57:15 | whardier | I am sure it will be reasonable |
| 22:57:22 | whardier | you have spent much more time on it recently |
| 22:57:56 | whardier | if it wins the $10,000.. I only want enough to cover my bills.. which is around $9,999 |
| 22:58:02 | whardier | :) |
| 22:58:08 | kergoth | yeah, but im not going to exclude you from the project. i agreed that you were a maintainer on the project as well early on. so no worries |
| 22:58:09 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:58:10 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:58:31 | whardier | I am drinkin again |
| 22:58:32 | mark_ | which category have you put it in? |
| 22:58:33 | whardier | damnit |
| 22:58:37 | whardier | mark_: * |
| 22:58:57 | mark_ | whardier: hehe. packaged it into a .ipk and .rpm? =) |
| 22:59:06 | whardier | ask k |
| 22:59:10 | whardier | I think tar.gz |
| 22:59:12 | whardier | and emailed |
| 22:59:23 | whardier | boots up linux on his dreamcast |
| 22:59:24 | whardier | brb |
| 22:59:27 | mark_ | ipkg install openzaurus |
| 22:59:30 | mark_ | hehe |
| 22:59:32 | mark_ | c ya all |
| 22:59:55 | kergoth | .zip and emailed. they emailed back confirming that it was in the contest |
| 22:59:57 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:00:01 | whardier | ok.. I seem to have this fetish with getting linux to run on different platforms |
| 23:00:03 | kergoth | and they finally sent me my damned members password |
| 23:00:10 | whardier | and now that I know bsd's WAY |
| 23:00:13 | whardier | I am gonna get it working on a power2 |
| 23:04:03 | whardier | maximus is my cats name |
| 23:04:14 | whardier | I call him maximus pussy cat |
| 23:04:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:04:56 | kergoth | did i tell you max sent us the QStyle that theKompany uses in their apps? |
| 23:05:05 | whardier | neat |
| 23:05:08 | whardier | whats it look like? |
| 23:05:19 | kergoth | bigboss approved its use in opie, so i pulled it into my local tree |
| 23:05:36 | whardier | is it spiffy? |
| 23:05:41 | whardier | I want the aqua qstyle |
| 23:05:47 | whardier | so I can make darqaqua |
| 23:06:16 | kergoth | http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/ |
| 23:06:23 | kergoth | they have screenshots on their pages |
| 23:06:42 | kergoth | the style has a windows xp-like feel. its pretty nifty. |
| 23:07:05 | whardier | carso huge ass and ugly? |
| 23:07:34 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:07:34 | kergoth | no |
| 23:07:39 | kergoth | its not bad at all |
| 23:07:47 | kergoth | you should keep up with the developments in opie |
| 23:07:54 | whardier | http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcjabber/_img/screenshots/status_menu.png |
| 23:08:01 | whardier | kergoth that I should |
| 23:08:09 | kergoth | ljp's screenshots applet is useful, and part of opie |
| 23:08:16 | kergoth | there's a new opiemail app being done by zecke |
| 23:08:26 | wudoo | can i install zaurus on ipaq? |
| 23:08:32 | Neo|Work | So opie is OpenZaurus? |
| 23:08:34 | kergoth | wudoo: zaurus is a pda |
| 23:08:40 | kergoth | opie is the version of qtopia that openzaurus uses |
| 23:09:05 | wudoo | but i mean zaurus version of ilnux |
| 23:09:10 | wudoo | linux |
| 23:09:28 | kergoth | wudoo: zaurus uses the embedix linux distro. you dont want that on your ipaq |
| 23:09:40 | wudoo | then |
| 23:09:44 | wudoo | what i want ? |
| 23:09:44 | kergoth | wudoo: id recommend familiar with opie. see #familiar for further assistance. |
| 23:09:58 | wudoo | i installed familiar |
| 23:10:03 | whardier | my cat is sitting on my knive |
| 23:10:03 | wudoo | and qtopia 1.5 |
| 23:10:06 | wudoo | or smthn |
| 23:10:06 | whardier | damnit |
| 23:10:09 | kergoth | wudoo: k, then what do you need? |
| 23:10:13 | wudoo | amm |
| 23:10:15 | wudoo | browser |
| 23:10:19 | kergoth | wudoo: thats functionally equivalent to whats on the Z |
| 23:10:20 | wudoo | and mail client |
| 23:10:26 | kergoth | wudoo: go install konqueror/embedded |
| 23:10:37 | wudoo | what about mail? |
| 23:10:38 | kergoth | wudoo: and switch to opie instead of qtopia, which includes an email application |
| 23:10:44 | wudoo | opie? |
| 23:10:55 | kergoth | wudoo: http://opie.handhelds.org/ |
| 23:11:12 | wudoo | ok let me check |
| 23:11:16 | kergoth | wudoo: uninstall qtopia and add the opie feed to your ipaq, then install it. its just qtopia with some enhancements |
| 23:11:49 | kergoth | whardier: what about that screenshot? i mean, why'd you paste it to me ? |
| 23:11:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:12:20 | wudoo | kergoth: ok ill try |
| 23:12:21 | Neo|Work | does opie only included open source apps? |
| 23:12:32 | wudoo | tnx |
| 23:12:33 | kergoth | Neo|Work: yes |
| 23:12:48 | Neo|Work | ok. Later perhaps it can include eDict. :P |
| 23:12:49 | kergoth | Neo|Work: openzaurus will include closed source apps in the rom, but opie itself is solely open source |
| 23:12:55 | kergoth | Neo|Work: that your project? |
| 23:13:03 | Neo|Work | yah. the dictionary client |
| 23:13:31 | kergoth | ah cool. we'd be willing to include it.. not sure whether it should be a core or a non core application, but there can at least be a relationship with opie to edict at the very least |
| 23:13:32 | wudoo | btw |
| 23:13:53 | wudoo | when i run linux on ipaq it use much more energy than with win ce |
| 23:13:55 | kergoth | Neo|Work: email me the info on the project. appropriate urls, etc. and check out #opie as well. (kergoth@digitalnemesis.net) |
| 23:14:05 | wudoo | can i fix this? |
| 23:14:15 | kergoth | wudoo: why are you asking in here? |
| 23:14:30 | wudoo | eee:) sorry |
| 23:14:32 | kergoth | wudoo: this channel is for the zaurus pda, not the ipaq. see #familiar for help with familiar. |
| 23:16:00 | Neo|Work | kergoth: it's not "done" enough yet. I.e there's no page, no dist, no nothing. :) |
| 23:16:29 | kergoth | Neo|Work: k, well keep opie in mind, we may want to include it or at least establish a relationship with it |
| 23:17:22 | wudoo | kergoth: how can i use latin2 keyboard in opie? |
| 23:17:26 | Neo|Work | I will.. It'll be announced when I believe it to be stable enough |
| 23:17:42 | kergoth | thats cool |
| 23:18:31 | kergoth | wudoo: i believe opie has i18n support. i've never done much with that. you may want to ask how to use a latin2 keyboard in qtopia in #familiar. since opie is based on qtopia |
| 23:23:42 | whardier | HAHA |
| 23:23:50 | kergoth | whardier: ? |
| 23:23:59 | whardier | my dreamcast is running X |
| 23:24:02 | whardier | HAHA |
| 23:24:03 | kergoth | nice |
| 23:24:15 | kergoth | arent dreamcasts like 50 bucks/ i should pick one up |
| 23:24:15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:24:46 | whardier | haha |
| 23:24:48 | whardier | its funny |
| 23:25:07 | kergoth | i want linux on my tv too |
| 23:25:08 | kergoth | :-) |
| 23:25:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:25:14 | kergoth | yawns |
| 23:25:16 | whardier | 16 megs of ram baby |
| 23:28:24 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzzzzz |
| 23:31:06 | xxL | kergoth: I got the impression python 2.x is included in OZ. is that so ? |
| 23:31:48 | kergoth | xxL: yes |
| 23:32:00 | xxL | and is PyQt included as well ? |
| 23:32:42 | kergoth | xxL: not yet, it will be in oz 3 |
| 23:32:53 | xxL | cool, just wanted to make sure :) |
| 23:32:58 | xxL | thx |
| 23:33:10 | kergoth | np |
| 23:33:34 | xxL | is there any way pyqt could make it into sharp |
| 23:33:38 | xxL | 's roms ? |
| 23:33:57 | whardier | we dunno |
| 23:33:57 | kergoth | xxL: ask jason. i dont work for sharp |
| 23:33:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:34:23 | xxL | jasonnj: ? |
| 23:35:16 | finkployd | Actually, I personally would prefer that sharp start pulling stuff OUT of it's roms and make them downloadable (like most of the apps) |
| 23:35:20 | finkployd | but that is just me :) |
| 23:35:32 | kergoth | finkployd: the sharp rom's root fs isnt writable |
| 23:35:43 | kergoth | finkployd: so every package installed extra is in ram.. the home fs |
| 23:35:50 | xxL | agree |
| 23:36:41 | finkployd | I understand, but one would have more ram if sharp would make the rom as small as possible and let you install only what you want right? |
| 23:36:46 | kergoth | no. |
| 23:37:02 | kergoth | the rom is 16 megs. period. its flash, you dont get extra ram if its not used, you get nothing. |
| 23:37:21 | kergoth | you want to make optimal use of the flash, by using it for as much as possible |
| 23:37:28 | xxL | so the more goes into rom the better |
| 23:37:31 | kergoth | precisely |
| 23:37:58 | finkployd | I thought that there was 32MB of space, that could be paritioned up as Sharp pleased (thus the two 1.1x roms) |
| 23:37:59 | xxL | wonders if the xmame and pose ports would fit into the rom :) |
| 23:38:05 | kergoth | finkployd: no |
| 23:38:25 | finkployd | Oh, then I'm way off in how I thought this worked. Sorry :) |
| 23:38:33 | kergoth | finkployd: 16 megs flashrom, 32 megs of RAM. part of that RAM is essentially a ramdisk whose contents are not lost on reboot, hence /home |
| 23:39:48 | finkployd | I see |
| 23:40:31 | finkployd | So does the sharp rom use the entire 16 MB of the flashrom right now? I only ask because I know they plan to add the Hancom office stuff at some point |
| 23:40:46 | kergoth | they use like 13.5 megs of the total 14.5, iirc |
| 23:40:57 | kergoth | finkployd: they've had the hancom stuff in a prerelease rom, it fit |
| 23:41:37 | finkployd | I know, I got one at Linuxworld. I remember it only leaving me with about 7MB of "disk space" ram or so |
| 23:41:56 | kergoth | yeah it had an altered heap ratio just like the 1.11 rom |
| 23:42:03 | finkployd | I see |
| 23:43:06 | finkployd | I'm using 1.10 right now but I'm wondering if 1.11 might be a better choice since the only extra packages I install are ssh and zic, and all my documents are on either the SD or CF cards |
| 23:43:41 | kergoth | ic.. i like 1.11 cuz i use a fair amount of ram |
| 23:43:44 | finkployd | And I have hit "out of memory" errors at times. Especialy web browsing |
| 23:44:37 | finkployd | I could install 1.11 and do a "restore" with the qtopia desktop and get all my contacts, databook entries, etc stuff back right? |
| 23:44:44 | kergoth | in theory |
| 23:44:54 | finkployd | hmmm, might be worth a try |
| 23:45:12 | finkployd | Hell, I'm going to have to do that someday, since I don't plan on using 1.1x forever :) |
| 23:47:58 | finkployd | what the hell, here goes nothing :) |
| 23:48:24 | finkployd | Incidently, is there any problem with flashing your Z's rom often? |
| 23:59:33 | kergoth | finkployd: i lost count of how many times ive flashed mine, at least 30 i'm sure |
| 23:59:33 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:59:53 | file | lol |
