| 00:00:04 | peanut | WTF? |
| 00:00:06 | kergoth | aha |
| 00:00:09 | brett | hehe |
| 00:00:10 | kergoth | shudders |
| 00:00:11 | peanut | somebody kick this guy out!!! hehehe |
| 00:00:12 | brett | KIDDING |
| 00:00:17 | peanut | knows.. |
| 00:00:23 | brett | That sure got your attention though. heh |
| 00:00:32 | peanut | :) |
| 00:00:39 | kergoth | BZFlag: how goes the vercel stuff? |
| 00:01:08 | kergoth | k, i need to test my openzaurus build ipk extraction setup |
| 00:01:10 | kergoth | brb |
| 00:01:44 | kergoth | er fuck that, i'm going home. ttyl ppl |
| 00:01:52 | brett | sounds good, see ya |
| 00:02:10 | brett | I think it's time to kick back and smoke it gumby style |
| 00:05:45 | BZFlag | kergoth`left: where is your extraction stuff? can you check it in so I can help? |
| 00:07:16 | peanut | yawns.. |
| 00:07:21 | peanut | ? best suv on the market? |
| 00:07:23 | peanut | opinions? |
| 00:07:33 | brett | A friend of mine swears by his 4runner |
| 00:07:57 | BZFlag | vercel is pluging along. blob + kernel up, pcmcia in progress. |
| 00:08:21 | brett | I'd say get an International Harvester Scout. |
| 00:12:22 | NeoTron | The Config clas was nice |
| 00:13:02 | NeoTron | and it's using win ini format. :P |
| 00:13:31 | brett | http://www.nwbinders.net/Trails/ReiderPit/May2000/KevinInSand.jpg |
| 00:13:35 | brett | Now that's an suv |
| 00:15:41 | peanut | mozilla is so damn slow at starting.. |
| 00:15:57 | brett | The newer versions are better. |
| 00:16:05 | brett | Better about that I should say |
| 00:16:23 | peanut | hrmm.. time to upgrade |
| 00:18:51 | peanut | cd |
| 00:18:54 | peanut | oops.. |
| 00:20:16 | peanut | damn.. much faster |
| 00:23:24 | NeoTron | tries to decide how to do the score etc display. |
| 00:23:29 | NeoTron | hmms. |
| 00:44:23 | brett | Oh for the love of all things holy. My mother has called me 3 times today now. |
| 00:45:30 | brett | I need to tell her that she's used up her allotted calls for the next 3 months. |
| 00:47:36 | tux_mike | gha |
| 00:48:48 | NeoTron | is there a way to make a widget transparent? (i.e on non-occupied space you see the widget below it)? |
| 00:49:08 | nelazul | hmm anybody know a cheap place to get mmc cards? |
| 00:49:17 | nelazul | my cf slot is bieng used by a network card... |
| 00:49:27 | brett | pricewatch? |
| 00:51:06 | brett | mmc cards use the sd form factor? |
| 00:51:38 | brett | I guess they do... What's the difference between them and sd? |
| 00:52:08 | peanut | yawns |
| 00:52:38 | NeoTron | setBackgroundOrigin(ParentOrigin); seems like the trick I needed |
| 00:53:19 | brett | Anyone know the difference between sd and mmc? And why mmc seems to be more expensive |
| 00:53:20 | brett | ? |
| 00:53:28 | brett | I've only really looked into cf and sd |
| 00:56:37 | cpenguin_work | is away: I've got nothing witty to say |
| 01:25:02 | tux_mike | hey kergoth |
| 01:26:02 | roge99 | hello all |
| 01:26:09 | tux_mike | roge99: i fixed most of the problems with my library |
| 01:26:14 | roge99 | cool |
| 01:27:03 | roge99 | tux_mike: so the backend is coming along good ? |
| 01:27:43 | kergoth | hey mike, roge |
| 01:27:48 | tux_mike | almost done... gotta implement a search, and then finish looking for bugs |
| 01:27:58 | roge99 | kergoth : hey how goes it |
| 01:28:20 | kergoth | tux_mike: glad to hear it |
| 01:28:22 | tux_mike | growls deeply |
| 01:28:24 | kergoth | roge99: not bad, you? |
| 01:28:36 | tux_mike | hrm... kitty is playing in my code! |
| 01:29:20 | roge99 | kergoth: Im doin better ( weve had a case ot the flu at my house ) |
| 01:30:31 | kergoth | roge99: ah, glad to hear you're improving |
| 01:30:52 | roge99 | I was the only one *not* to get it |
| 01:31:14 | roge99 | but the wife and the kids were sick as hell |
| 01:31:26 | peanut | yawns |
| 01:31:51 | tux_mike | now that was funny... when i went to get the cat out of my code printout, he went into the trash can :) |
| 01:31:51 | roge99 | kergoth: no 2.6 yet ? |
| 01:35:45 | tux_mike | growls some more... i really hate this guy... |
| 01:36:27 | tux_mike | they did a bit on that "God Hates Fags" and "abortion cam" guy. he is such a self-ritous zealot. |
| 01:40:17 | peanut | we've been pretty sick here as well |
| 01:40:32 | peanut | i can't remember the last time everyone i knew had gotten sick like this.. |
| 01:41:15 | kergoth | roge99: beta 2.6 is done, i just have to hook up my cf card reader and do a final sanity check.. verify that its functioning fine |
| 01:41:22 | tux_mike | peanut: that sucks... i haven't got my second cold of the year... but then again, i did get one over the summer, so knock on wood |
| 01:41:40 | peanut | good news kergoth! |
| 01:41:53 | peanut | tux_mike: my brother in law was in the hospital for 2 nights |
| 01:42:08 | tux_mike | sorry to hear |
| 01:42:28 | peanut | i spent new years vomiting for other reasons than excessive alcohol intake |
| 01:42:42 | peanut | n.b. i don't drink anyway |
| 01:45:14 | tux_mike | this cat is hillarious! |
| 02:07:17 | kergoth | goddamnit |
| 02:07:53 | kergoth | I cant add usr/lib in the root dir to the link paths, because of libc.so that resides there, which points to /usr/lib. argh! |
| 02:12:44 | peanut | argh.. |
| 02:22:28 | kergoth | peanut: difficulties? |
| 02:22:38 | peanut | nothing more than the usual.. |
| 02:24:08 | kergoth | ah |
| 02:31:51 | peanut | anyone here ever deal with basic auth? |
| 02:32:17 | peanut | i'm trying to figure out a way to limit logins to 30 minutes via basic auth |
| 02:32:21 | peanut | i think i have a way to do it.. |
| 02:32:41 | peanut | actually, i have working code.. |
| 02:32:49 | peanut | just want to see if anyone spots a hole in this.. |
| 02:35:50 | peanut | hrmm.. i think i have fixed all of the bugs.. |
| 02:36:45 | peanut | by rewriting the server name, I think i can get most clients to ask for authentication information again.. |
| 02:37:12 | peanut | obviously, this doesn't prevent someone from getting the username and password from local mem |
| 02:37:20 | peanut | but i think it makes it harder agreed? |
| 03:04:30 | kergoth | gah |
| 03:04:31 | kergoth | damnit |
| 03:04:32 | kergoth | damnit |
| 03:04:33 | kergoth | damnit |
| 03:04:51 | kergoth | anyone know the cmdline opt to tell ld to link in a different crt1.o than default? |
| 03:08:45 | kergoth | wtf |
| 03:09:33 | kergoth | /opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: /opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/lib/ld-linux.so.2: indirect symbol '__libc_internal_tsd_set' to '__libc_internal_tsd_set@@GLIBC_2.0' is a loop |
| 03:09:54 | kergoth | /opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/lib/ld-linux.so.2: could not read symbols: Invalid operation |
| 03:09:56 | kergoth | ideas? |
| 03:19:24 | Jag | is away: sleeping |
| 03:19:32 | peanut | yawns.. |
| 03:20:16 | roge99 | anyone else have a linksys wcf11 |
| 03:24:24 | Ober | re all |
| 03:24:38 | Ober | anyone got a ZL-5000 yet? |
| 03:26:21 | roge99 | most of the people here |
| 03:26:33 | roge99 | SL-5000 |
| 03:27:26 | Ober | ahh |
| 03:27:29 | Ober | how much they run? |
| 03:27:35 | Ober | and are they released yet? |
| 03:27:38 | Ober | for non devel |
| 03:27:57 | roge99 | the non developer version is the 5500 |
| 03:28:01 | Ober | ash |
| 03:28:03 | Ober | ahh |
| 03:28:11 | Ober | contemplating getting one |
| 03:28:14 | roge99 | should be out in march |
| 03:28:20 | Ober | ahh |
| 03:30:26 | peanut | but you can get the sl5000 now! |
| 03:52:26 | ljp | woooohhhh.... looks like someone's workin' on qpe cvs... :) |
| 03:57:18 | peanut | that sounds promising.. |
| 04:04:51 | peanut | is off |
| 04:04:52 | peanut | l8r all |
| 04:18:54 | roge99 | yawns |
| 04:21:56 | roge99 | anyone going to linuxworld tomorrow ?? |
| 04:54:20 | kergoth | .. |
| 04:58:35 | v23 | |
| 04:58:57 | roge99 | kergoth: think youll have that rom done tonight ?? |
| 05:02:29 | roge99 | nite all |
| 05:02:54 | roge99 | is away: sleep ZZzzzZZzzzzzz |
| 05:06:16 | v23 | |
| 05:17:34 | tux_mike | hrm... slow night |
| 05:22:15 | v23 | is there a place for developer rom's? Like beta2.5? |
| 05:22:39 | sjohnson | openzarus.sf.net |
| 05:22:51 | sjohnson | Opps, openzaurus.sf.net |
| 05:23:18 | sjohnson | specifically http://prdownloads.sf.net/openzaurus/ |
| 05:24:38 | v23 | got it. thx. |
| 05:51:02 | Shunt | hey |
| 06:02:33 | kend-zaur | re |
| 06:03:14 | Shunt | hey |
| 06:03:20 | kend-zaur | anyone home? |
| 06:03:22 | kend-zaur | ah :) |
| 06:03:39 | kend-zaur | nyone use qpe-dialog? |
| 06:04:23 | Shunt | QT/E? |
| 06:04:38 | kend-zaur | no |
| 06:04:51 | kend-zaur | it's an app /written/ in qt/e tho :) |
| 06:05:29 | Shunt | yeah, that's what I meant. |
| 06:05:47 | Shunt | I've been looking into QP/E... it's similar yet different enough from QT to make me consider using java :) |
| 06:06:13 | kend-zaur | Thumbs yireø.. |
| 06:06:13 | kend-zaur | switcling to HWR |
| 06:06:33 | Shunt | you're on zaurus now? Wireless |
| 06:07:08 | kend-zaur | No... wired :) |
| 06:07:27 | Shunt | thru the cradle? |
| 06:07:35 | kend-zaur | 50' eth cable |
| 06:07:41 | Shunt | Oh.. :P |
| 06:07:52 | kend-zaur | R00lZ |
| 06:07:55 | kend-zaur | lel |
| 06:08:06 | kend-zaur | err... heh |
| 06:08:41 | kend-zaur | too used to Grafitti |
| 06:08:54 | Shunt | I really, really want a serial cable... blah. |
| 06:10:03 | kend-zaur | vs USB? |
| 06:10:23 | Shunt | no, USB for syncing. Serial to plug into the cell phone. :) |
| 06:10:37 | kend-zaur | ah! |
| 06:11:04 | kend-zaur | cell would kick ass!!! |
| 06:11:53 | kend-zaur | |
| 06:12:13 | Shunt | yeah, it'd be great for checking mail and getting directions on the go. I do it all the time with my Revo |
| 06:12:21 | kend-zaur | revo==? |
| 06:12:27 | kend-zaur | (sounds fsamil) |
| 06:12:51 | kend-zaur | |
| 06:15:12 | Shunt | it's a psion device. Runs EPOC. |
| 06:15:39 | v23 | isn't there a cellphone cf card? would be more convenient than wiring ny phone with the z |
| 06:16:04 | Shunt | v23: Yeah, and no. Cellphone powers itself, and the data connect is free thru the carrier. |
| 06:16:28 | kend-zaur | and i already ave a cellph |
| 06:17:23 | Shunt | AAAAnd... I like having a honking big CF memory card in the CF slot |
| 06:18:07 | v23 | so where would you put the serial cable? to the e bottom slot? |
| 06:18:34 | kend-zaur | yeah |
| 06:18:36 | Shunt | yea |
| 06:18:54 | kend-zaur | id be happy with cf cellular adapter too, tho, personally |
| 06:19:09 | kend-zaur | used to swapping out cf ram for eth anyways. |
| 06:19:26 | v23 | is such thing exists? |
| 06:19:45 | Shunt | it will... when the accessories go on sale. I hope. |
| 06:20:10 | kend-zaur | not sure actually |
| 06:20:22 | kend-zaur | cant remeber what ive seen foripaqw |
| 06:21:02 | Shunt | Ipaq you can get nifty cables that actually run from Ipaq to phone, no need for the serial bit. |
| 06:21:09 | Shunt | same with palm. |
| 06:21:15 | Shunt | but I'll take what I can get, ya know? |
| 06:22:01 | kend-zaur | z have ncurses |
| 06:22:23 | Shunt | I think I saw a ncurses library for the zaurus |
| 06:23:10 | kend-zaur | ??? |
| 06:23:10 | kend-zaur | thumbs hurt |
| 06:23:10 | kend-zaur | :( |
| 06:23:37 | kend-zaur | /lib/libncurses.so.4.2 lib/libncurses.so.4 |
| 06:23:46 | kend-zaur | hmm |
| 06:24:16 | kend-zaur | anyone wanna try building dopewars for z? |
| 06:24:35 | kend-zaur | dunno if i can manage sanely from on the z itself |
| 06:24:44 | Shunt | O |
| 06:24:46 | kend-zaur | (downstairs keeping gf company) |
| 06:24:54 | Shunt | I'm working on my own zaurus related projects.. :P |
| 06:25:01 | kend-zaur | http://dopewars.sourceforge.net/download.htm |
| 06:25:11 | kend-zaur | suggests on ml |
| 06:29:00 | kend-zaur | |
| 06:29:00 | kend-zaur | |
| 06:29:05 | kend-zaur | ping!? |
| 06:29:16 | Shunt | pong?! |
| 06:29:27 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:30:20 | kend-zaur | lame cat5 |
| 06:30:24 | kend-zaur | re kerg |
| 06:30:36 | kergoth | sup kendrick? |
| 06:32:01 | kend-zaur | bored.. thumbs hurt... |
| 06:32:08 | kend-zaur | tired |
| 06:33:04 | kergoth | ah yeah, bored and tired myself. |
| 06:33:25 | kend-zaur | need sdl for z!!! |
| 06:33:32 | whardier | sdl |
| 06:33:33 | whardier | z |
| 06:33:33 | whardier | woo |
| 06:33:42 | kend-zaur | heh |
| 06:33:57 | kend-zaur | someone whois overcode for me |
| 06:34:05 | kend-zaur | (zic dont do whois yet :( ) |
| 06:34:19 | whardier | | overcode (~overcode@r35h118.res.gatech.edu) (Educational Institution) |
| 06:34:20 | whardier | | channels : #handhelds.org #palmchat #ko #exloki #demoscene @#sdl #loki |
| 06:35:04 | kend-zaur | kand |
| 06:35:06 | whardier | zic cannot do /wii |
| 06:35:08 | whardier | ? |
| 06:35:08 | kend-zaur | wh - idle? |
| 06:35:17 | whardier | : idle : 0 hours 0 mins 22 secs (signon: Tue Jan 29 20:02:53 2002) |
| 06:35:21 | kend-zaur | ah! :) |
| 06:35:24 | whardier | kend-zaur you are intrusive? |
| 06:35:25 | whardier | hehe |
| 06:35:38 | kend-zaur | :^P |
| 06:38:56 | kend-zaur | foo |
| 06:43:19 | kend-zaur | re :) |
| 06:43:43 | kergoth | whardier: ping |
| 06:44:55 | kend-zaur | thumb killing me.foot asleep. neck hurt |
| 06:45:03 | kend-zaur | must quit using z soon |
| 06:45:45 | kend-zaur | ok... off to shower & watch good late tv |
| 06:46:16 | kend-zaur | bye all |
| 06:46:50 | Shunt | wuss. :) |
| 07:04:04 | kergoth | .. |
| 07:12:59 | kergoth | when someone wakes up.. I need someone who has a wlan card to test functionality on OpenZaurus beta 2.6.. its on the sf project page http://sourceforge.net/projects/openzaurus/.. I'm not going to send a release notifcation to the ml's until the wlan fix is verified. |
| 07:28:04 | kergoth | if anyone has a chance to test wlan on oz beta 2.6, email me at sir_kergoth@operamail.com . i sleep now. |
| 11:49:13 | whardier | laaaa |
| 12:48:28 | roge99 | is back (gone 07:45:34) |
| 12:48:40 | roge99 | is away: off to linux world ! |
| 13:02:45 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzzzzzzZzz |
| 14:23:19 | bipolar | is back (gone 16:48:26) |
| 14:40:07 | MrChebas | hi guys, what are the costs (if there are any) to develop for the zaurus |
| 14:40:19 | MrChebas | do we have to buy SDKs from trolltech? |
| 14:40:37 | bipolar | MrChebas: Do you want to develop Comercial apps or GPL ones? |
| 14:40:52 | MrChebas | GPL ones |
| 14:41:03 | bipolar | MrChebas: Then it costs you nothing. |
| 14:41:07 | MrChebas | ok |
| 14:41:08 | MrChebas | nice |
| 14:41:20 | MrChebas | what APIs can we use for it besides QT |
| 14:41:23 | MrChebas | ? |
| 14:41:41 | mandrake | er, it's a QPE device. |
| 14:41:50 | bipolar | MrChebas: There is a java runtime on it as well. But I have know knowledge about it. |
| 14:41:58 | MrChebas | ok |
| 14:42:03 | MrChebas | i heard it runs on linux |
| 14:42:05 | mandrake | unless you're talking about commandline apps, or you want to use the X emulator |
| 14:42:08 | bipolar | MrChebas: Thats right. |
| 14:42:14 | MrChebas | so i wonder if you can port posix apps |
| 14:42:19 | MrChebas | or linux ones in fact |
| 14:42:25 | bipolar | MrChebas: Sure. |
| 14:42:30 | MrChebas | hey that's cool |
| 14:42:33 | MrChebas | ! |
| 14:42:45 | MrChebas | do you already have bought a developer unit? |
| 14:43:00 | bipolar | MrChebas: you are limitied by the availible API's though. There is no X |
| 14:43:12 | mandrake | if it's a graphical app you're going to be kinda stuck with QPE unless your app is in raw Xlib, because there is an X emulator |
| 14:43:14 | bipolar | MrChebas: I don't have a Zaurus. I have an iPaq. |
| 14:43:23 | mandrake | bipolar: you can use the X emu |
| 14:43:40 | MrChebas | bipolar: does the ipaq already has a stable linux for it? |
| 14:43:45 | bipolar | MrChebas: yes. |
| 14:43:52 | MrChebas | do you run it on linux? |
| 14:44:31 | bipolar | MrChebas: yes. Thats why I bought it. :) |
| 14:44:44 | MrChebas | way cool! |
| 14:45:06 | bipolar | MrChebas: I'm running the same software that is on the Zaurus. The two pda's are compatable. |
| 14:45:34 | MrChebas | do you have access to all features? (hardware i mean) |
| 14:45:37 | mandrake | bipolar: to a certain extent. |
| 14:47:25 | MrChebas | it would be cool to be able to dual boot though. I imagine WinCE has some nifty apps that linux does not have yet for PDAs. |
| 14:48:52 | MrChebas | is it possible to dual boot à la lilo? |
| 14:48:52 | ljp | somehow I do not think there would be enough room on a pda for a dual boot |
| 14:50:55 | MrChebas | thanks for the information |
| 14:50:59 | MrChebas | i must leave now |
| 14:51:08 | mandrake | MrChebas: actually with QPE (as in on the zaurus) it works pretty well as a PDA |
| 14:52:45 | ljp | heh- dual boot... :D I gotta laugh outta that one... |
| 15:07:35 | kergoth | mornin |
| 15:10:13 | mandrake | morning kergoth |
| 15:10:31 | kergoth | hey mandrake, hows it goin? |
| 15:10:59 | mandrake | trying to use make a file loading thing work under QPE this morning |
| 15:11:04 | mandrake | then I will be done with my beta |
| 15:12:35 | kergoth | ah glad to hear it. |
| 15:12:47 | kergoth | brb. need caffeine so ill be awake for a meeting. :-) |
| 15:16:45 | mandrake | ugh |
| 15:16:46 | mandrake | EVIL |
| 15:16:58 | mandrake | freakin' moc crap |
| 15:17:07 | mandrake | if only they'd used a real preprocessor |
| 15:17:08 | mandrake | *sigh* |
| 15:18:01 | mandrake | moc doesn't play nicely with #ifdef apparently |
| 15:18:31 | mandrake | actually, it seems to kinda just ignore it |
| 15:23:34 | kergoth | eh I'm not surprised. |
| 15:26:15 | mandrake | okay |
| 15:26:28 | mandrake | is there some sample sourcecode that uses FileSelector somewhere? |
| 15:26:32 | mandrake | this is documented hella poorly |
| 15:27:45 | mandrake | downloading the qhole qpe 1.4.0 release source to see if I can find something in there |
| 15:29:29 | cpenguin_work | is back (gone 14:32:50) |
| 16:07:33 | CosmicPenguin | is away: meeting time |
| 16:16:16 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 00:08:43) |
| 16:35:35 | peanut | whats up with sf? |
| 16:36:11 | peanut | can't get my fix of oz |
| 16:39:30 | peanut | anyone awake? |
| 16:48:28 | Shunt | yeah... people are awake, kinda |
| 16:49:46 | peanut | is trying to dl 2.6 |
| 16:49:54 | peanut | sf is not a happy camper today. |
| 16:50:21 | Mallory | hola |
| 17:00:17 | kergoth | re |
| 17:00:55 | peanut | sf is pitifully slow today.. |
| 17:01:24 | peanut | i'm getting 3.0k on downloading (with frequent stalls) oz 2.6 :) |
| 17:01:33 | kergoth | eh damn |
| 17:01:40 | peanut | damn is right! |
| 17:01:45 | kergoth | got a box i can scp it to? thatd be faster |
| 17:01:46 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:02:01 | kergoth | peanut: do you have a wlan card? i need to test wlan functionality on 2.6 |
| 17:02:09 | peanut | does indeed |
| 17:02:13 | peanut | but no access point here.. |
| 17:02:14 | peanut | just @home |
| 17:02:33 | peanut | :( |
| 17:02:59 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:03:02 | peanut | how about posting it to zauruszone? |
| 17:03:10 | kergoth | I should pick up an AP and that smc cf card |
| 17:03:21 | kergoth | peanut: I'd like to avoid mass distribution if its still broken :-) |
| 17:03:27 | peanut | ahh.. understood |
| 17:03:54 | peanut | i could test it this pm and let you know. |
| 17:04:17 | peanut | s/could/will/ |
| 17:08:13 | kergoth | that's cool. |
| 17:08:49 | kergoth | roger leardi reported that the wlan modules loaded, but wlan0 didnt come up.. i wonder if he needs to add it in the network settings |
| 17:12:53 | peanut | i can try and see what happens even without an ap |
| 17:13:17 | kergoth | true |
| 17:20:04 | peanut | 45 minutes left |
| 18:22:53 | kergoth | gah! |
| 18:22:54 | kergoth | damnit |
| 18:22:58 | kergoth | fucking crosscompilation problem |
| 18:23:01 | peanut | argh.. |
| 18:23:10 | kergoth | anyone know how to tell 'ld' to use a different crt1.o than it usually does? |
| 18:23:19 | kergoth | peanut: hmmmm? |
| 18:23:34 | sjohnson | is away: lunch run |
| 18:23:47 | ishmal | ker: LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? |
| 18:24:47 | ishmal | also, you might try 'which ld' to make sure u r using the right one |
| 18:25:30 | kergoth | ishmal: no, crt1.o isnt pulled from the link path |
| 18:25:52 | kergoth | doesnt matter which one i'm using, i want to force it to use a freshly compiled crt1.o from my glibc build dir. |
| 18:27:18 | kergoth | see my problem is in crosscompiling 'nano', I'm getting a symbol loop in ld-something.so.2.. so I wanted to point it to the new glibc instead of the one in the toolchain |
| 18:27:56 | peanut | kergoth: whats the deal with your 2.6 distro? |
| 18:28:19 | peanut | theres a zimage and an initrd.bin in the zip |
| 18:28:34 | kergoth | peanut: yes, there is |
| 18:28:37 | kergoth | peanut: read the release notes |
| 18:28:39 | kergoth | :-P |
| 18:28:50 | peanut | no.. dont send me to sf again today! |
| 18:28:54 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:29:30 | kergoth | I changed from romimage to bootflag.txt + initrd.bin + zImage due to the 5500.. with the 5500 the openz distro will be the exact same rootfs as this one, but with a different kernel. |
| 18:29:52 | peanut | ahhh :) |
| 18:30:43 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:07:09) |
| 18:30:56 | kergoth | besides, we shouldnt be reflashing the bootloader and angel monitor every single time. no point. |
| 18:31:20 | peanut | oh.. so nothing is different.. |
| 18:31:27 | peanut | besides the fact there is three files |
| 18:31:30 | kergoth | exactly |
| 18:31:44 | kergoth | just drop them into place on cf.. just make sure there's no 'romimage' on the cf of course |
| 18:31:53 | peanut | :) |
| 18:32:06 | kergoth | actually i wonder if you put 'romimage', bootflag.txt, initrd.bin, and zImage on a cf card, if it would use the romimage or the independent files |
| 18:32:06 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:32:07 | peanut | well its going to take me another 20 minutes to upgrade, but here goes |
| 18:32:07 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:32:10 | kergoth | peanut: k |
| 18:34:36 | peanut | updating |
| 18:34:43 | peanut | damn microdrives |
| 18:36:34 | ishmal | converting a java app to c++ |
| 18:36:34 | peanut | i feel like the rabbit.. still going |
| 18:36:56 | Shunt | really really really needs a new job. |
| 18:37:09 | kergoth | Shunt: where ya work? |
| 18:37:17 | ishmal | saw in the paper that UBS is hiring |
| 18:38:17 | Shunt | kergoth: I do all sorts of programming for a dev. shop in Princeton, NJ |
| 18:38:34 | kergoth | Shunt: ah. i need a job worse than you.. i'm in tech support :-P |
| 18:38:50 | Shunt | kergoth: Trust me, I'd trade you in a second. |
| 18:39:01 | kergoth | Shunt: that bad? |
| 18:39:30 | ishmal | i think maybe motorola is hiring, too |
| 18:39:38 | Mallory | Shunt: Who, I know of a company based in Princeton I did some outside consulting for once. |
| 18:39:42 | Mallory | Estavio (sp) |
| 18:40:12 | Shunt | Mallory: Simstar |
| 18:40:30 | Mallory | Ahh, never heard of them. I work in Upper Saddle River (by Paramus) |
| 18:41:01 | ishmal | probably not very many jobs in this town for a while (houston) until all of the enron dudes are absorbed |
| 18:41:19 | peanut | still updating my Z |
| 18:41:21 | peanut | damn microdrive |
| 18:41:52 | sjohnson | peanut: Invest in a 32MB CF cards. There are really cheap. |
| 18:41:53 | Shunt | Mallory: What do you do up there? |
| 18:42:02 | peanut | has a 192mb cf |
| 18:42:06 | peanut | i lent it to my dad.. |
| 18:42:23 | peanut | he's going to italy in a couple of weeks with his new digital camera |
| 18:42:29 | peanut | a present from his gf for xmas |
| 18:42:36 | peanut | it only has 8mb internal to start :( |
| 18:43:04 | Mallory | Shunt: I work for Guardian Digital |
| 18:43:11 | peanut | has updated three times now with the microdrive |
| 18:43:15 | Mallory | We maintain linuxsecurity.com and the EnGarde Secure Linux distro |
| 18:43:17 | peanut | its just slow.. |
| 18:43:17 | sjohnson | peanut: That would be 8 pictures on my camera. |
| 18:43:47 | peanut | yeah.. hes not much for technology.. |
| 18:44:01 | Mallory | I got a 128mb CF card for my camera which was inherited by my Z when I bought it :) |
| 18:44:03 | Shunt | Mallory: They hiring? :) |
| 18:44:10 | Mallory | Shunt: No :( |
| 18:44:10 | peanut | if he realized it would only take 20 pictures of acceptable quality, he would have probably left it at home and taken his regular camera |
| 18:44:49 | peanut | fuck.. this is not good. |
| 18:45:23 | Shunt | crap... |
| 18:45:47 | peanut | pardon my french |
| 18:46:00 | peanut | hrmm.. |
| 18:46:04 | peanut | it only took 10 minutes.. |
| 18:46:06 | peanut | odd.. |
| 18:46:30 | peanut | dude.. i like the battery display changing like that.. |
| 18:46:32 | peanut | nice.. |
| 18:46:38 | peanut | very kewl |
| 18:46:55 | peanut | shit.. |
| 18:46:57 | peanut | it didn't take.. |
| 18:47:00 | peanut | its still 2.5 |
| 18:47:22 | peanut | but the games work now.. |
| 18:47:34 | peanut | kergoth: any chance that version didnt update? |
| 18:47:39 | kergoth | peanut: yes, the version didnt update |
| 18:47:40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:47:46 | kergoth | peanut: I forgot to rebuild sysinfo |
| 18:47:49 | peanut | hehehe |
| 18:47:50 | peanut | ok.. |
| 18:47:59 | kergoth | peanut: it has to be recompiled to show the version change, its a compiletime thing |
| 18:48:07 | peanut | ahh.. |
| 18:48:25 | peanut | i like the battery charging indicator.. |
| 18:48:44 | kergoth | hehe. yeah its nifty. i blew away the stupid commands list in embeddedkonsole |
| 18:48:45 | peanut | no mail client still? |
| 18:48:58 | peanut | i never used them anyway |
| 18:49:00 | kergoth | peanut: no, i could have put it in, but the one we have blows horribly |
| 18:49:10 | kergoth | peanut: since sharp hasnt merged their changes to qmail back into cvs |
| 18:49:12 | peanut | hey.. multiple windows on konsole! |
| 18:49:12 | kergoth | peanut: heh |
| 18:49:23 | kergoth | peanut: yeah I updated to the current in cvs, and removed commands list from it |
| 18:49:37 | peanut | very nice.. |
| 18:49:41 | peanut | i like the changes so far.. |
| 18:49:49 | kergoth | its basically 2.5 but with bugfixes |
| 18:49:52 | kergoth | :-) |
| 18:50:38 | kergoth | can you see what happens when you try to use the cf wlan card? I want to see if you get a wlan0 interface up, even if you dotn have an ap.. if you dont mind |
| 18:50:38 | peanut | prism2_cs and p80211 loaded |
| 18:50:41 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:50:42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:50:44 | kergoth | good |
| 18:50:55 | peanut | no wlan0 though |
| 18:51:05 | peanut | wait.. |
| 18:51:06 | peanut | check that.. |
| 18:51:15 | kergoth | it exists, but isnt up? |
| 18:51:17 | peanut | its fucked.. |
| 18:51:23 | peanut | no.. ifconfig doesn't show it.. |
| 18:51:27 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:51:27 | peanut | ifconfig wlan0 shows it.. |
| 18:51:32 | peanut | but the mac address is fucked |
| 18:51:38 | kergoth | run 'dmesg' |
| 18:51:39 | peanut | sorry, hwaddr |
| 18:52:03 | peanut | says prism2 irq 35 |
| 18:52:10 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:52:20 | peanut | the hwaddr is all 0s |
| 18:52:21 | kergoth | peanut: try going into the network applet in settings and add a tcp/ip service |
| 18:52:23 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:52:24 | kergoth | wtf |
| 18:52:36 | peanut | kergoth: already added the tcp/ip service |
| 18:52:37 | kergoth | which card do you have? |
| 18:52:40 | kergoth | peanut: ah |
| 18:52:41 | kergoth | hm |
| 18:52:41 | peanut | did that before i put the card in.. |
| 18:52:46 | peanut | its a dlink |
| 18:53:16 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:53:22 | kergoth | well, wlan's conf files are fine now |
| 18:53:26 | kergoth | since the modules loaded |
| 18:53:31 | kergoth | but it sounds like the modules are misbehaving |
| 18:53:34 | kergoth | growls. |
| 18:53:41 | Shunt | Sharp is hiring :) |
| 18:53:59 | peanut | will try again @home with the AP |
| 18:54:36 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:54:46 | kergoth | gah i need a fucking wlan card more to test than to use |
| 18:54:48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:55:16 | peanut | is thinking about getting an smc.. if/when i do, i'll send you my dlink |
| 18:55:37 | kergoth | that smc is tempting isnt it...? |
| 18:55:38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:56:30 | kergoth | yawns |
| 19:07:39 | Akira | hello all |
| 19:08:39 | kergoth | hello |
| 19:12:09 | Akira | has anyone used the .ipk package to work with a java applet? |
| 19:13:19 | kergoth | hmmm? are you asking if people package java applications as ipk files? |
| 19:17:26 | Akira | well kind of, I am having a little troble getting the applet to launch after it is installed using the package manger. |
| 19:18:05 | kergoth | k... what happens when you try to launch it? |
| 19:19:34 | Akira | It just highlights the icon, but does nothing |
| 19:19:51 | kergoth | k, and whats in your .desktop file? |
| 19:21:39 | Akira | [Desktop Entry] |
| 19:21:47 | Akira | Comment= Applet |
| 19:21:58 | Akira | Exec=runapplet |
| 19:22:07 | Akira | Icon=applet |
| 19:22:11 | Akira | Name=applet |
| 19:22:51 | Akira | I think the Exec scirpt is the culprit |
| 19:23:00 | kergoth | Akira: and what happens if you run 'runapplet' from the terminal? |
| 19:23:50 | Akira | If I use the -cp and the -appletviewer command, it works fine from the terminal |
| 19:23:54 | kergoth | no |
| 19:24:03 | kergoth | I said, what happens if you run 'runapplet' from the terminal. |
| 19:24:13 | Akira | the scrpit works from the terminal also |
| 19:24:16 | Akira | sry |
| 19:25:10 | Akira | do i need to chmod the file or something?? give it execute permission? |
| 19:25:18 | kergoth | then I dunno, if running whatever is in Exec= from the terminal works, it should execute fine from the applnk as well. |
| 19:27:49 | Akira | Do I need to add an execute bit to the file for it to launch? |
| 19:28:30 | kergoth | what file? |
| 19:29:04 | Akira | the exec file "runapplet" |
| 19:29:15 | kergoth | i thought you said you can run 'runapplet' from the terminal? |
| 19:29:22 | kergoth | if you can run it from the terminal, it is executable |
| 19:31:46 | Akira | hmmm....I was just thinking that setting Read, Write, and Execute permissions on a file in Linux is required for perl scrpits to run |
| 19:31:56 | kergoth | and? |
| 19:32:15 | kergoth | if it runs from the terminal, thats not the problem.. if it was a permissions prob, it would fail in both instances :-) |
| 19:32:33 | Akira | oh ok |
| 19:33:22 | Akira | Kinda of fustrating when you get this problems...but thanks for the help |
| 19:34:03 | kergoth | np. |
| 19:38:54 | bipolar | Akira: What term are you able to run it from? |
| 19:39:01 | antlarr | hi |
| 19:39:23 | bipolar | Akira: Are you running it from serial port or the embeddedKonsole? |
| 19:40:49 | antlarr | anybody got the AlarmServer in Qtopia to work ? |
| 19:45:14 | Akira | bipolar: I running it from the embeddedterminal |
| 19:46:39 | bipolar | Akira: ok. |
| 19:46:51 | bipolar | Akira: then it's somthing else. |
| 19:50:06 | Akira | I transfer the .ipk files from a Linux box to a Windows box via FTP then on to a CF card. Could that cause an excute problem?? |
| 19:53:27 | Neo|Work | Akira: if you transferred it as ascii with FTP, definitely |
| 19:53:31 | Neo|Work | if you used binary, no |
| 19:54:05 | Neo|Work | ascii FTP unix->win will convert all \n to \r\n which obviously breaks binary files |
| 19:54:59 | Akira | it was tranferred using binary |
| 19:55:16 | Neo|Work | then there should be no problems really |
| 19:55:20 | Akira | hmmm... |
| 19:55:59 | Akira | I did try messing with the demo applet "quasar" exec script |
| 19:56:47 | Akira | if i change the file in the text editor, and save the icon launch won't work anymore |
| 19:56:59 | kergoth | Akira: when you run it from the embeddedkonsole.. you're running the script that was installed by the ipk, right? |
| 19:57:10 | Akira | yes |
| 19:57:13 | kergoth | hm |
| 19:57:14 | kergoth | odd. |
| 19:59:13 | Akira | but yet if I point to the terminal to that same file in the qtpalmtop/bin directory it works |
| 19:59:35 | kergoth | huh? thats what i asked |
| 20:03:24 | Akira | <recap> I can't get QtPalmtop to launch my execute script that was isnstalled using .ipk, I also noticed that when I changed to execute scrpit of the demo applet it ceases to run as well from QtPalmtop</recap> |
| 20:03:35 | antlarr | are there developers here ? |
| 20:04:35 | kergoth | Akira: k, if your .desktop fails to run the demo applet, but their demo applet .desktop works, your .desktop is broken. :-P |
| 20:04:42 | kergoth | antlarr: of course, most of us are |
| 20:05:10 | antlarr | kergoth: ah, thanks. So, did anyone got the AlarmServer in Qtopia to work ? |
| 20:05:16 | kergoth | re altered |
| 20:05:29 | altered | 'lo kergoth |
| 20:05:35 | kergoth | antlarr: I havent messed with it personally |
| 20:05:38 | kergoth | altered: how goes it? |
| 20:05:40 | antlarr | it triggers the alarm, but the ID of the alarm is completely wrong for me |
| 20:06:09 | altered | kergoth: well, things are calming down at work, so maybe I'll get some time for my Z projects this weekend. |
| 20:06:17 | antlarr | I'm thinking that it may be a problem in QCop or the AlarmServer |
| 20:06:30 | kergoth | altered: ah, nice :-) |
| 20:08:18 | kergoth | woot. cd $BASE_DIR; IPK=findutils IMAGE=$BASE_DIR/build/sharprom/romimage make sharpipk; |
| 20:08:27 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:12:06 | antlarr | bye |
| 20:17:05 | bipolar | wishes he could find a site that has mpgs of the IBM linux commercials... |
| 20:17:32 | kergoth | heh. it'd smart of ibm to put them on the net themselves |
| 20:18:02 | sjohnson | speaking of mpgs, what's the best player for linux? I keep forgetting the name of the package of that package. |
| 20:18:14 | Shunt | xine |
| 20:18:32 | sjohnson | smacks himselfs. |
| 20:18:41 | sjohnson | Shunt: Thanks. |
| 20:22:39 | Akira | hot damn I fixed my file |
| 20:23:29 | Akira | chmod u+x /home/QtPalmtop/bin/runapplet |
| 20:23:37 | Akira | works fine now |
| 20:25:20 | Akira | If you save a text file in the QtPalmtop editor, it resets the permissions to -rw-rw-rw- (666) |
| 20:25:32 | kergoth | yes, it does |
| 20:25:40 | kergoth | annoying, to put it mildly |
| 20:26:37 | Akira | but if its a scrpit file it has to has user excute permissions to be launched from the .desktop file |
| 20:27:00 | Akira | the terminal doesn't care |
| 20:27:58 | Mallory | That's probably a umask issue, no? |
| 20:28:02 | Mallory | (The mode it saves files as) |
| 20:28:45 | Mallory | [root@newtoy root]# umask |
| 20:28:47 | Mallory | 000 |
| 20:29:05 | Akira | I'm not sure, I'm still a linux newbie |
| 20:29:06 | kergoth | Mallory: umask shouldnt affect alteration of existing files, only creation. its likely a prob in the text editor itself. |
| 20:29:14 | Mallory | Oh, didn't see that part. :) |
| 20:30:18 | Akira | now if i can only figure out why the JVM runs out of memory when the system says there's plenty left.... |
| 20:31:05 | kergoth | goddamnit |
| 20:31:07 | kergoth | arghhhhhhh |
| 20:31:15 | Akira | I think I do that tommorrow |
| 20:31:23 | kergoth | i'm in crosscompilation hell |
| 20:31:27 | Akira | thanks again guys for your help |
| 20:34:17 | Akira | **buys a round for the room |
| 20:34:41 | Mallory | Try /me buys a round for the room |
| 20:34:43 | Mallory | :) |
| 20:54:13 | Neo|Work | I'd be damned. mandrake is "the" mandrake. :-PP |
| 21:50:09 | kergoth | yawns |
| 21:55:42 | tux_mike | yah, no kidding |
| 21:57:11 | altered | tux_mike: were you having problems with Berkeley DB on the Z? |
| 21:57:19 | tux_mike | altered: fixed them :) |
| 21:57:37 | altered | tux_mike: ever have a BUS ERROR with libdb stuff? |
| 21:57:49 | altered | tux_mike: and hare you using lidb2 or libdb3? |
| 21:57:50 | tux_mike | one problem required a rewrite of a funciton, another i was missing an == 0 on a strcmp |
| 21:58:06 | tux_mike | no, not yet. lotsa segfauts... but those are my problem |
| 21:58:07 | tux_mike | :) |
| 21:58:27 | altered | tux_mike: hmm... have you used DB->join() yet? |
| 21:59:05 | tux_mike | no. i don't think i need to |
| 21:59:26 | altered | tux_mike: shoot... I get bus errors on the Z, but not on x86... |
| 21:59:50 | tux_mike | odd... any idea on the db function? |
| 22:00:54 | altered | I think it's on my DB->join() call, but I haven't thrown in enough qDebug messages yet to isolate it (or put gdb on my Z) |
| 22:01:15 | Shunt | Is Berkeley DB included in OpenZaurus? |
| 22:01:33 | altered | Shunt: nope... |
| 22:02:02 | kergoth | Shunt: no, if you want it in there by default, add it to the feature requests tracker on sf (http://sourceforge.net/projects/openzaurus/) |
| 22:02:06 | tux_mike | altered: with gdb, does that tell you what's going on with asmbley, or what? |
| 22:02:42 | altered | well, I could at least get a stack trace if I had gdb |
| 22:02:47 | Shunt | kergoth: IT's one of my big dilemmas... cos OpenZaurus looks neat, but I like java. |
| 22:03:09 | kergoth | Shunt: you can always rip java out of the sharp rom and stuff it into an ipk |
| 22:03:25 | altered | kergoth: instructions for that anywhere? |
| 22:03:26 | tux_mike | kergoth: any idea on how to put kaffe in there with qpe? |
| 22:03:29 | Shunt | Never thought of that... |
| 22:03:36 | kergoth | tux_mike: havent messed with kaffe at all |
| 22:03:48 | tux_mike | i wonder what the AWT is all about |
| 22:03:57 | kergoth | altered: no, but all you need to do is mount -t cramfs -o loop the initrd.bin and copy the files you need |
| 22:04:21 | kergoth | altered: I have, however, created a script that'll take a romimage and stuff every file in the romimage into various ipks.. for each package in the rom |
| 22:04:50 | altered | kergoth: that's useful... :) |
| 22:05:09 | altered | kergoth: so, Opera, and Jeode ipk's? |
| 22:05:17 | kergoth | altered: essentially |
| 22:05:30 | kergoth | altered: course, i dont condone using my script for that. cuz that'd be bad. |
| 22:05:31 | kergoth | eheh |
| 22:05:35 | Shunt | Is there any plans to include Konqueror in OpenZaurus? Esp. since you're leaving Opera back. |
| 22:05:43 | kergoth | Shunt: huh? |
| 22:05:51 | kergoth | Shunt: konq/e has been included from beta 1 on up |
| 22:05:58 | Shunt | kergoth: Guess I should pay attention. :) |
| 22:07:37 | tux_mike | kergoth: there's nothing wrong with providing a tool for backup, we as Z owners have the rights to run Opera and Jeode |
| 22:07:40 | tux_mike | on the z |
| 22:07:48 | kergoth | tux_mike: indeed |
| 22:10:51 | Neo|Work | 2so what's cool with openZaurus? I've read about it there but don't know anything about it |
| 22:11:01 | scanline | is back (gone 09:08:17) |
| 22:11:04 | kergoth | anyone here want to test wlan on oz beta 2.6 for me? I need to verify functionality |
| 22:11:41 | kergoth | Neo|Work: just some bug fixes, it works with qtopia desktop, uses the latest qtopia from cvs, and has a number of items added, including the boa webserver, sshd running out of inetd, etc etc |
| 22:11:51 | kergoth | Neo|Work: see http://www.zauruszone.com/wiki/index.php?OpenZaurusFeatures |
| 22:12:12 | Neo|Work | ok. |
| 22:12:23 | Neo|Work | useful with a webserver on your handheld. Heh. :) |
| 22:13:18 | Neo|Work | kergoth: no java. How nice. ;-) |
| 22:13:47 | kergoth | Neo|Work: heh. not my decision. cant exactly include it legally. |
| 22:14:26 | Neo|Work | hehe. Well, to me that's nice never the less. Don't like java much |
| 22:14:49 | Neo|Work | btw, what kind of terminal size can you get on a zaurus in rows/cols? |
| 22:14:49 | kergoth | I dont use java personally. |
| 22:15:00 | kergoth | Neo|Work: depends on which font its using |
| 22:15:04 | kergoth | Neo|Work: not sure off hand |
| 22:15:19 | tux_mike | java isn't that bad :P |
| 22:15:31 | Neo|Work | kergoth: as small as is usable. :P |
| 22:15:57 | tux_mike | has an idea to use a java-like bytecode format inside the linux kernel |
| 22:16:20 | kergoth | tux_mike: eh why? |
| 22:16:47 | tux_mike | well, if it's linked to native libraries, it will run with a minimum of speed loss |
| 22:17:30 | tux_mike | if i go for a masters degree, i'd like to make this as my thesis :) |
| 22:20:02 | tux_mike | i'm not 100% sure on fesability, but it'd be great to compile once and run on all linux systems |
| 22:25:20 | Noc | Sup all I just got a Zaurus from Linux World here in NY Do I have to wait the full 3 hours of initial charge before I can turn it on? |
| 22:27:00 | Shunt | I don't think it's like that, unless you've got a revo |
| 22:27:15 | Noc | revo? |
| 22:29:43 | Noc | wow guess what I |
| 22:29:57 | Noc | put the battery in the on the wrong side |
| 22:30:16 | Shunt | is the only person ever to use a revo. Damn |
| 22:30:22 | Noc | damn this thing fit perfectly both ways |
| 22:44:17 | tux_mike | lol. on the news they did a "who's to blame" diagram on enron, it was huge and quite confusing |
| 22:46:43 | kergoth | not surprising |
| 22:46:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:37:05 | Fastolfe | Hello everybody |
| 23:37:19 | kergoth | hey |
| 23:37:26 | tux_mike | hey Fastolfe |
| 23:41:18 | kergoth | woot. buildsystem can build glibc, ncurses, busybox, bash, nano, tinylogin from source now. |
| 23:45:09 | tux_mike | cool |
| 23:45:17 | tux_mike | ncurses 4 or 5? |
| 23:45:30 | kergoth | 5 |
| 23:45:42 | tux_mike | hrm... mkay |
| 23:45:47 | kergoth | why? |
| 23:45:56 | kergoth | i decided to build termcap support in, and didnt build libtermcap |
| 23:45:58 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:46:13 | tux_mike | well the z comes with 4. but 5 is more widley used now. it's a trade off |
| 23:46:19 | kergoth | indeed |
| 23:46:34 | kergoth | building 4 with the buildsystem would be trivial, with 5 working |
| 23:46:36 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:46:39 | tux_mike | hrm... i should get started on my UI code |
| 23:46:46 | kergoth | i'll probably include 5 in oz b3 |
| 23:46:47 | kergoth | tux_mike: there's an idea |
| 23:46:49 | kergoth | :-) |
| 23:46:54 | tux_mike | kergoth: you work with qt disgner much? |
| 23:47:35 | kergoth | tux_mike: some. i'm better at backends than user interfaces, however. :-) |
| 23:47:40 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:47:43 | kergoth | yawns |
| 23:49:19 | tux_mike | what's the size i should set my main widget to? |
| 23:49:44 | kergoth | depends on whether or not an input method is up :-P |
| 23:49:52 | kergoth | i dunno offhand |
| 23:50:08 | kergoth | 240x(320 - height of taskbar) hehe |
| 23:50:34 | ljp | .setMaximize |
| 23:50:42 | kergoth | or that |
| 23:50:42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:52:33 | tux_mike | well, i was going to set max, but i'd like to know the hight of the title bar and task bar? |
| 23:52:56 | ljp | set height at 290 |
| 23:53:00 | ljp | I think |
| 23:53:06 | kergoth | make bash nano mtd busybox tinylogin; <-woot |
| 23:57:38 | kergoth | k i go home now |
| 23:57:44 | kergoth`left | ttyl ppl |
