| 00:00:03 | kergoth`work | hey |
| 00:00:18 | kergoth`work | k, time to go home |
| 00:00:21 | BZFlag | kergoth`work: agreed. no sources, a lot of depends and a jffs2 target. ;-) |
| 00:00:36 | kergoth`work | BZFlag: yes. :-) |
| 00:00:39 | kergoth`work | is away: went home |
| 00:00:40 | lazzy_8 | I just installed Rom image 2.5 and it ain't recognizing my dlink wireless card |
| 00:00:45 | lazzy_8 | any suggestions? |
| 00:00:55 | kergoth`work | lazzy_8: known bug. wlan config files are broken. see whardier for details. |
| 00:01:18 | kergoth`work | lazzy_8: if you flash beta 2 and swipe its wlan config files for your use, and overwrite the ones in beta 2.5-2, it'll work again |
| 00:01:20 | kergoth`work | lazzy_8: hehe |
| 00:01:22 | lazzy_8 | gotcha. thanks |
| 00:01:27 | kergoth`work | is actually gone now. |
| 00:14:49 | sakha | sakha is going home now |
| 00:18:59 | JasonNJ | man this sucks. |
| 00:19:05 | JasonNJ | another linux company went out of business. |
| 00:19:12 | JasonNJ | one who I have a lot of friends at. |
| 00:19:47 | brett | Which one? |
| 00:19:49 | Mallory | Who? |
| 00:20:07 | brett | IBM |
| 00:20:17 | brett | :) |
| 00:20:28 | Mallory | heh, I'd go to their firesale |
| 00:20:32 | JasonNJ | I am not allowed to say. |
| 00:20:38 | JasonNJ | you will know friday. |
| 00:20:42 | Mallory | Ahh, then they're not really "out of business" yet |
| 00:20:46 | brett | checks fuckedcompany.com |
| 00:20:50 | Mallory | Post it to fuckedcompany.com |
| 00:20:50 | Error403 | yay, suprizes |
| 00:20:50 | Mallory | heh |
| 00:21:36 | Error403 | JasonNJ: A true *Linux* company, or a wanna be like OSDN? :P |
| 00:21:59 | brett | Ahh, I know who it is. |
| 00:22:08 | brett | K-Mart. |
| 00:26:12 | brett | Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library |
| 00:26:14 | brett | Oh yeah, that's nice. |
| 00:32:08 | kendrick2 | gets "locale" errors from Perl & GTK+ apps all the time |
| 00:37:37 | brett | "export LC_ALL=C" did the trick. |
| 00:38:18 | brett | I think gdm is supposed to set that, but I don't use it anymore. |
| 00:39:57 | kendrick2 | ok, time to go home |
| 00:50:56 | JasonNJ | its a true linux company. |
| 00:51:02 | JasonNJ | one thats produced a LOT of products. |
| 00:51:17 | Mallory | So that almost rules out distros |
| 00:51:21 | Mallory | ? |
| 00:51:26 | Mallory | pix brain |
| 00:51:55 | JasonNJ | not distros. |
| 00:52:10 | Mallory | Good, I was wondering if there was something my boss wasn't telling me. :) |
| 00:52:28 | JasonNJ | mallory: you work for a distro company? |
| 00:52:37 | Mallory | Yeah, Guardain Digtial produces EnGarde Secure Linux |
| 00:52:45 | Mallory | Not the most popular distro in the world but I get paid to hack on it, so I count it. :) |
| 00:55:05 | Mallory | Jason, a while ago you had said Sharp will be selling Z's at the expo with free 64mb SD cards free. Any chance they'd give a free 64mb SD card to somebody who _just_ bought one less then two weeks ago? :) |
| 00:58:17 | lazzy_8 | Hello |
| 01:00:52 | lazzy_8 | Anybody here? |
| 01:02:22 | file | could use a uh CompactFlash card |
| 01:04:28 | lazzy_8 | Do you all realize how hard it is to press c and d and press the reset key??!!?? |
| 01:04:39 | Mallory | I have a CF, but I can't use it when I'm using the ethernet card. |
| 01:04:49 | lazzy_8 | me too |
| 01:05:03 | lazzy_8 | I can't get the proxy settings to work |
| 01:05:12 | Mallory | Hmm, somebody had pasted a URL to a paperclip the other day. |
| 01:05:17 | Mallory | (that pushes against the c and d keys) |
| 01:05:38 | lazzy_8 | I'd like to see it |
| 01:05:59 | kergoth | re |
| 01:08:14 | roge99 | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/zaurus/Zaurus_DC_clip.jpg |
| 01:08:48 | Mallory | There ya go |
| 01:09:03 | Mallory | Take that, MS. |
| 01:09:19 | Mallory | "I see you're trying to install a new ROM on your Zaurus. May I help you?" |
| 01:09:26 | MSpin | I find that holding it between my legs and using one hand to do the C and Dand the other to hit reset works:) |
| 01:10:58 | roge99 | I dont think that hitting other keys makes a difference as long as the c and d are depressed |
| 01:10:58 | lazzy_8 | Does anybody know how to get the proxy settings to work in Opera!!?? |
| 01:11:05 | lazzy_8 | It's driving me crazy! |
| 01:11:12 | roge99 | im pretty sure i end up pressing the f as well |
| 01:11:33 | lazzy_8 | I've got the network proxy settings entered in |
| 01:11:40 | lazzy_8 | I've got the rom image 1.02 |
| 01:12:38 | lazzy_8 | It doesn't look like the browser is trying to use a proxy at all! |
| 01:14:18 | lazzy_8 | Arggghh! |
| 01:14:22 | lazzy_8 | Anybody??? |
| 01:15:46 | lazzy_8 | Why don't the web proxy settings work?!? |
| 01:17:27 | lazzy_8 | Anybody here? |
| 01:19:38 | lazzy_8 | JasonNJ: Do you know of any problems w/ the proxy setting for the network? |
| 01:20:28 | lazzy_8 | JasonNJ: It looks like the Opera browser is not using any of my proxy settings at all |
| 01:34:25 | Mallory | Anybody know of cheap places online to buy SD cards? |
| 01:36:07 | whardier | www.cheapmuthafuckinsd's.com |
| 01:36:38 | Mallory | heh |
| 01:36:42 | brett | I'm gonna be really hard pressed to test this wlan stuff without a wireless card. |
| 01:36:51 | BZFlag | hacks up the OZ buildroot |
| 01:36:54 | brett | Damn those lying bastards at pcconnection! |
| 01:36:58 | whardier | brett.. I have one :) |
| 01:37:24 | MSpin | whardier: nice, aren't they? |
| 01:37:46 | brett | whardier: I'd ask you to test it, but uploading the image to you would take forever. |
| 01:37:53 | Zero | hello |
| 01:38:08 | Zero | anyone here know anything pppoe |
| 01:38:11 | Zero | about |
| 01:38:16 | Zero | on the Z |
| 01:38:49 | Zero | i had it working fine until i upgraded my rom to openZ |
| 01:39:25 | brett | openZ is useless. It is a mean-spirited trick to make you waste your time. |
| 01:39:40 | Zero | really? |
| 01:39:46 | brett | No. :) |
| 01:39:55 | Zero | heh |
| 01:40:10 | brett | It's pretty buggy still though. |
| 01:40:17 | Zero | i hope the development moves quickly on it |
| 01:40:39 | kergoth | Zero: it will, once I get it into cvs :-) |
| 01:41:02 | Zero | let me ask you this, very stupid question, but with the org ROM how can i change the background image on the main screen! |
| 01:41:32 | Zero | kergoth: thanks for your effort, i really like the direction it's taking |
| 01:41:59 | Zero | me personally have been a linux sysadmin for about 8 years but mainly i'm a perl programmer. how can i help? |
| 01:42:30 | Zero | besides sending you money :) |
| 01:42:35 | Zero | laf |
| 01:45:12 | brett | Ok kergoth, how should I set these up to build with your system? |
| 01:46:29 | brett | Zero, that is the only way to help. You must send kergoth money. :) |
| 01:46:49 | brett | ls |
| 01:50:37 | Zero | ok, bye |
| 01:50:47 | Zero | keep up the good hacking |
| 01:50:48 | brett | see ya |
| 01:59:35 | whardier | I itch |
| 01:59:45 | brett | uhh, sweet. |
| 01:59:48 | whardier | brett: why would uploading take forever? |
| 01:59:53 | whardier | just make a tar of the changes |
| 02:00:19 | brett | yeah, I suppose I could do that. Hang on a sec, I haven't finished installing the stuff yet |
| 02:02:05 | BZFlag | OZ buildroot is building a jffs2 kernel. now to see if it works. ;-) |
| 02:02:36 | Mallory | Hmm, where can I downoad a pre-built handheld quake? |
| 02:03:19 | BZFlag | brett: checkout the buildroot-oz and build it. add stuff and send patches to kergoth. ;-) |
| 02:29:13 | brett | Man, it's gonna take me an hour to figure out this build system. :) |
| 02:31:25 | BZFlag | heh. |
| 02:31:44 | BZFlag | and it's in a state of flux too. |
| 02:31:59 | brett | yeah, it just crapped when I tried to use it. |
| 02:32:30 | BZFlag | where? |
| 02:32:48 | brett | + ./configure --host arm-linux --build i686-linux --with-elf --disable-profile --enable-omitfp |
| 02:32:48 | brett | --without-fp --enable-add-ons=linuxthreads --prefix /usr --infodir /usr/share/info --libexecdir /usr/lib --mandir /usr/share/man --disable-versioning --with-elf |
| 02:32:48 | brett | loading cache ./config.cache |
| 02:32:48 | brett | configure: error: add-on directory "linuxthreads" does not exist |
| 02:33:02 | BZFlag | you got the whole kernel built? |
| 02:33:31 | BZFlag | if not, do a "cvs up -PdA" and try again. |
| 02:33:49 | brett | It never tried to build the kernel. |
| 02:33:59 | BZFlag | do a "cvs up -PdA" and try again. |
| 02:34:20 | BZFlag | the kernel should be the first thing to build. |
| 02:34:23 | brett | It's grabbing the kernel now. |
| 02:34:30 | BZFlag | cool. |
| 02:34:35 | brett | What happened? |
| 02:34:44 | BZFlag | that's the part I'm hacking on. |
| 02:34:57 | brett | ahh cool. |
| 02:34:58 | BZFlag | you must have grabbed between working images. |
| 02:35:08 | brett | My timing is great. |
| 02:36:52 | tux_mike | gahhhh! why the f*** isn't this loop iterating! iterate!!! |
| 02:38:11 | brett | This build system you guys are working on is great. |
| 02:39:20 | BZFlag | it started with andersee@debian.org as part of uclibc, and grew for http://tuxscreen.net and then kergoth is hacking it further. |
| 02:40:08 | brett | Good deal. How are you guys handling make installs? The symlink structure of the rootfs is pretty annoying for that. |
| 02:40:23 | brett | ie: /sbin and /etc aren't both in / |
| 02:40:33 | BZFlag | found your glibc bug, fixed. you need up update again. |
| 02:41:05 | brett | doing so. |
| 02:41:10 | BZFlag | we are planning jffs2 so the symlink mess will be much smaller. |
| 02:41:47 | brett | In the meantime, are there any workarounds? |
| 02:42:09 | BZFlag | not yet, the buildroot is not complete yet. far from it. |
| 02:42:22 | brett | ok. |
| 02:44:53 | brett | Same error again. I didn't do a make clean, is that required? |
| 02:46:47 | kergoth | brett: there's a ipk_to_rom perl script which contains functions to handle creation of the zaurus symlink mess if need be |
| 02:48:45 | brett | nice |
| 02:53:11 | BZFlag | brett: ah, try rm -r source/glibc-2.2.4 |
| 02:53:16 | kergoth | I should finish the rom_to_ipk script.. people could use it to extract opera & java out of the sharp rom into ipks... though I wont support or endorse that. hehe. |
| 02:53:38 | kergoth | BZFlag: how goes the kernel? |
| 02:54:02 | BZFlag | kergoth: we could add opera/insignia to buildroot but pulling down romimage and extracting. ;-) |
| 02:54:09 | BZFlag | kernel is building now. |
| 02:54:34 | kergoth | ah cool |
| 02:54:39 | BZFlag | I had to add an explicit depend in /Makefile as I could not get cross depends working. |
| 02:54:44 | kergoth | ah ic |
| 02:54:45 | kergoth | afk |
| 02:55:03 | BZFlag | I also starting moving builds to ./build/ instead of ./source |
| 02:55:27 | BZFlag | afk? |
| 02:55:29 | JasonNJ | rrgh |
| 02:56:05 | JasonNJ | heya guys. |
| 02:56:11 | JasonNJ | man am I depressed. |
| 02:56:17 | whardier | hehe |
| 02:56:19 | BZFlag | sup? |
| 02:56:19 | whardier | man I am cold |
| 02:56:28 | JasonNJ | my friend's linux company just went out of business. |
| 02:56:29 | brett | wow |
| 02:56:38 | brett | checking installed Linux kernel header files... TOO OLD! |
| 02:56:38 | brett | configure: error: GNU libc requires kernel header files from |
| 02:56:38 | brett | Linux 2.0.10 or later to be installed before configuring. |
| 02:56:40 | whardier | that sux |
| 02:56:52 | JasonNJ | yeah, it was a cool company too. |
| 02:56:53 | Zero | quick question |
| 02:56:57 | JasonNJ | you'll hear about it on friday. |
| 02:57:09 | peanutz | someone has my nick! |
| 02:57:11 | Zero | does anynoe know where i can dl the ipk of quake for the Z |
| 02:57:21 | Zero | i see alot of talk about it |
| 02:57:24 | Zero | but no dl page |
| 02:58:53 | Zero | anyone? |
| 02:58:59 | Mallory | Zero: Wondering the same thing. |
| 02:59:07 | Mallory | It's the "coolness factor" :) |
| 02:59:43 | Zero | actually, i just found something |
| 03:00:34 | Zero | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5501743195.html |
| 03:00:37 | BZFlag | brett: tell kergoth. he needs to fix things to use DLed headers, NOT system headers. |
| 03:01:10 | brett | I think I'm just going to let it settle for a bit. :) It's going to be great when done though. |
| 03:02:17 | brett | Thing is though, my system kernel is 2.4.19, which is a bit later than 2.0.10. |
| 03:02:40 | brett | er, 2.4.17 |
| 03:03:26 | BZFlag | brett: it's looking in /usr/include/linux instead of in build/linux/include |
| 03:05:12 | kergoth | brett: throw a --includedir $(SOURCE_DIR)/linux/include (or something like that) on the glibc ./configure line |
| 03:05:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:05:35 | brett | Even so, it shouldn't be reporting that my kernel is too old should it? |
| 03:05:49 | kergoth | brett: cat /usr/include/linux/version.h |
| 03:06:11 | brett | It reports 2.4.13 |
| 03:06:17 | kergoth | odd |
| 03:06:18 | brett | Wich is actually wrong, but still. |
| 03:06:21 | peanutz | ARGH! |
| 03:06:49 | kergoth | brett: the headers in /usr/include arent supposed to be the kernel headers anymore.. linux wants user space headers seperate, iirc |
| 03:06:54 | kergoth | peanutz: difficulties? |
| 03:07:14 | peanutz | yes, i was hoping that free energy claim was true.. now i'm just sad.. |
| 03:07:21 | peanutz | guess i'll jump off a bridge |
| 03:07:37 | peanutz | darn, so much for my self sustaining Z |
| 03:09:12 | peanutz | lagging.. |
| 03:09:15 | brett | What peanutz? |
| 03:10:34 | BZFlag | gotta run |
| 03:10:54 | peanutz | brett: see /. |
| 03:10:58 | brett | ok |
| 03:12:06 | peanutz | so heres the question jason and kergoth: which of you will release a new rom first? |
| 03:12:20 | mandrake | not I |
| 03:12:31 | brett | peanutz: That picture is awesome. |
| 03:12:45 | brett | It's a mystical energy box. |
| 03:13:33 | peanutz | yeah.. |
| 03:13:47 | peanutz | mystical |
| 03:13:58 | peanutz | theres probably a gerbil inside it |
| 03:14:07 | brett | ``Perpetual motion is impossible. This is a self-sustaining unit which at the same time provides surplus electrical energy,'' |
| 03:14:14 | brett | Now that's a quote. |
| 03:14:28 | Mallory | http://www.dir-t.org/gallery/zaurus/aav |
| 03:14:40 | Mallory | It quits right after starting it, but I got the screen shot and that's all that really matters! :) |
| 03:15:03 | brett | Where'd you get the binary? |
| 03:15:26 | JasonNJ | http://www.fuckedcompany.com/extras/loki_email.cfm |
| 03:15:31 | JasonNJ | well its official then. |
| 03:15:35 | JasonNJ | I dont have to keep it quiet. |
| 03:15:38 | peanutz | is your Z having sex with your startac or what? |
| 03:15:41 | brett | Aww crap, it was loki? |
| 03:15:46 | JasonNJ | yep. |
| 03:16:19 | brett | That blows. Not super suprising though, they've been having money troubles for awhile haven't they? |
| 03:16:23 | mandrake | :( |
| 03:16:27 | peanutz | shit.. |
| 03:16:33 | mandrake | That's terribly sad. |
| 03:16:33 | treke|work | brett : yeah |
| 03:16:39 | peanutz | i've bought a handful of games which i never play just to give them money |
| 03:16:59 | brett | Heh, I did that with tribes2. And I don't even like that game. :) |
| 03:17:28 | peanutz | i'm bummed.. |
| 03:17:37 | peanutz | whats that leave us? id? tuxracer |
| 03:17:45 | brett | Heh. |
| 03:17:54 | treke|work | id. icculus. linux game publishing, and transgaming |
| 03:18:06 | peanutz | damn.. |
| 03:18:10 | JasonNJ | I just spoke to scott about two hours ago |
| 03:18:13 | brett | Transgaming is in a different league though. :( |
| 03:18:18 | JasonNJ | he may be starting a new company to do Zaurus games. |
| 03:18:28 | treke|work | brett : kind of. they did a "port" of the sims |
| 03:18:39 | brett | They just get it to work under wine don't they? |
| 03:18:53 | peanutz | thats what i thought.. |
| 03:18:54 | treke|work | brett : They claim to have modified the code a bit |
| 03:19:03 | peanutz | JasonNJ: does he think that company will succeed? |
| 03:19:18 | treke|work | its a customized version of the sims running using normal wine |
| 03:19:36 | JasonNJ | peanutz I doubt we will see him do anything for several months |
| 03:19:41 | JasonNJ | I think he wants to have a break. |
| 03:19:50 | Mallory | Brett: http://qpe.sourceforge.net/packages/ipaq/unstable/ |
| 03:19:58 | Mallory | I just installed qpe-rotate, still has some bugs. :) |
| 03:20:05 | Mallory | Very neat though. |
| 03:20:09 | peanutz | JasonNJ: he probably needs it.. |
| 03:20:23 | Mallory | Could I put that URL in the Add/Remove thingy and have it install programs over the network? |
| 03:21:30 | mandrake | next job I do I'm definitely going to take off for about 2-3 months first. |
| 03:21:41 | mandrake | of course looks like that will not be for a couple of years at least |
| 03:25:14 | Mallory | Okay, I just installed Tetrix. Good bye lonesome time smoking a cigarette, in the bathroom, etc. |
| 03:26:15 | brett | Man, how long does it take you to go poo? |
| 03:26:27 | Mallory | Depends on what I ate the previous day. :) |
| 03:26:30 | brett | My poo's are generally short and sweet. |
| 03:26:54 | Mallory | Well my diet consists of Chinese almost every day and a LOT of junk food. |
| 03:27:20 | brett | True, my diet consists of healthy blend of Ensure and vodka. |
| 03:27:40 | brett | It's handy, because you can just setup an IV and not have to worry about lunch. |
| 03:27:51 | mandrake | okay this is a lot more information than I ever wanted to know about any of you. |
| 03:27:57 | brett | hehe |
| 03:28:24 | brett | I also have this weird rash on my.... n/m |
| 03:29:40 | Mallory | Ensure and vodka... nice mix. |
| 03:32:18 | brett | ls |
| 03:32:24 | brett | dangit, that's like the 3rd time |
| 03:36:16 | JasonNJ | man this loki thing depresses me. |
| 03:36:23 | peanutz | ditto |
| 03:36:29 | JasonNJ | that company did so much for Linux. |
| 03:36:34 | brett | Yeah they did. |
| 03:36:55 | peanutz | but alas, most linux users do not have that much $$$ |
| 03:37:01 | peanutz | or.. are not willing to part with it |
| 03:37:26 | brett | That or they buy the windows version and grab the linux binary. |
| 03:37:33 | JasonNJ | I just dont think there were enough Linux desktop users to justify the life of a company like that. |
| 03:37:40 | peanutz | agreed |
| 03:37:54 | peanutz | i think id is in a better spot |
| 03:38:33 | brett | At any rate, it's a bad sign of things to come. |
| 03:38:38 | peanutz | then again, i hardly ever play games |
| 03:39:11 | peanutz | i have sc3u and rt2 on my laptop though.. |
| 03:39:18 | peanutz | but i only paid 20 bucks for both games |
| 03:39:22 | peanutz | 19.98 actually |
| 03:39:45 | peanutz | my local eb was selling them for 9.99 each (not just those games, all loki games they carry) |
| 03:40:07 | peanutz | is quake1 free yet? |
| 03:40:20 | brett | It's been free for awhile. |
| 03:40:29 | tux_mike | gah! |
| 03:40:29 | peanutz | sweet |
| 03:40:31 | brett | They just released the sources to quake2 as well. |
| 03:40:37 | Mallory | Sure, the Quake I (and I think II) engines are free, the Quake 3 is not though. |
| 03:41:23 | peanutz | what about the paks? |
| 03:41:30 | webinstinct | Hi, gang |
| 03:44:28 | webinstinct | re |
| 03:44:46 | webinstinct | so, anyone made it sync and keep syncing with Win2k server? |
| 03:45:06 | webinstinct | I have to reboot every time I need to connect my Z to my box. |
| 03:45:12 | JasonNJ | new ROM and new Sync software soon. |
| 03:45:19 | JasonNJ | patience Daniel-san. |
| 03:45:30 | Mallory | heh |
| 03:45:34 | webinstinct | how soon? I can't sleep at night over it!:) |
| 03:46:13 | peanutz | hehehehe |
| 03:47:43 | peanutz | JasonNJ: i thought you said by the 26th? |
| 03:48:01 | Mallory | Maybe they're super-secretly synchronizing it with LWCE... |
| 03:48:17 | peanutz | i thougth that was OZ |
| 03:49:26 | peanutz | anyone here use those coax over power adapters |
| 03:52:52 | JasonNJ | http://mandrake.net/images/qpe-app.jpg |
| 03:52:59 | JasonNJ | check out Mandrake's Zaurus app. |
| 03:53:04 | JasonNJ | speech synth. |
| 03:53:06 | JasonNJ | awesome. |
| 03:53:32 | Mallory | neato |
| 03:53:57 | webinstinct | nic |
| 03:53:59 | webinstinct | nice |
| 03:54:39 | treke|work | I so cant wait for this contest to be over :) |
| 03:56:54 | sjohnson | JasonNJ: Checkout flite. |
| 03:57:14 | brett | I'm sure that mandrake's app is using flite. |
| 03:57:25 | JasonNJ | flite? |
| 03:57:32 | JasonNJ | no they are using Cepstral. |
| 03:57:34 | sjohnson | brett: mandrakes stuff is light years beyond flite. |
| 03:57:37 | brett | The speech synth. |
| 03:57:42 | brett | Ahh really? Nice. |
| 03:57:45 | JasonNJ | http://www.cepstral.com/cgi-bin/demo/theta |
| 03:58:12 | sjohnson | JasonNJ: Free spech synthesis. They have a binary for the IPAQ, but I should work on the Z as well. |
| 03:58:34 | sjohnson | http://www.cmuflite.org/ |
| 03:59:02 | treke|work | I believe flite was done by the same people who no work at cepestral |
| 03:59:41 | sjohnson | brett: Mandrakes company's stuff uses voice samples that are upwards of 20MB's |
| 04:00:04 | brett | sjohnson: I've played with it on the Z. It works great. |
| 04:00:08 | JasonNJ | http://www.cepstral.com/voices/theta/tmp/demo_923_07.wav |
| 04:00:09 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 04:01:30 | sjohnson | crap. my mozilla keeps crashing after playing wav's. |
| 04:01:49 | peanutz | from the look of his cars, mandrake is doing ok.. |
| 04:02:22 | treke|work | either that or he's going to be very unhappy in the future |
| 04:03:06 | peanutz | thought he went overboard with his saab 93 convertible |
| 04:03:36 | sjohnson | just wants a ride that looks good and works well |
| 04:03:41 | JasonNJ | I drive a SUV that costs too much, and my other car is a 14 year old cadillac in pristine condition. |
| 04:03:46 | JasonNJ | I like the cadillac better. |
| 04:03:59 | treke|work | can live with one that just works well |
| 04:04:19 | JasonNJ | The 1987 Caddy Fleetwood Brougham rules the road. |
| 04:04:22 | peanutz | what kind of suv? |
| 04:04:34 | sjohnson | I just got an '02 Grand Pix. It's very nice. |
| 04:04:41 | JasonNJ | 18 1/2 feet long, big ass bench seats with plush velour. Nothing beats it. |
| 04:04:54 | JasonNJ | the SUV is a 2000 Chevy Tahoe. |
| 04:05:08 | sjohnson | JasonNJ: Ah. A tank. |
| 04:05:18 | JasonNJ | solid steel construction. |
| 04:05:33 | JasonNJ | it would tear through anything if you collided with it. |
| 04:05:37 | sjohnson | i was talking about it's size. :) |
| 04:05:38 | peanutz | likes the tahoes.. but my wife said no.. we have a '99 pathfinder |
| 04:06:07 | JasonNJ | http://www.geocities.com/bigcaddy/cadillac87.html |
| 04:06:26 | JasonNJ | mine has only 32,000 miles. |
| 04:06:31 | JasonNJ | pristine. |
| 04:06:44 | JasonNJ | I re-did the stereo on it |
| 04:06:54 | JasonNJ | has a MP3 player and rockford fosgate speakers |
| 04:07:04 | JasonNJ | with a big ass subwoofer in the trunk |
| 04:07:16 | sjohnson | Sheesh. that's just like a friend of mine. He had a 10 year off Cougar with oinly 7800 miles on it. |
| 04:08:19 | JasonNJ | I expect to drive that car for at least another 5 years |
| 04:12:30 | brett | JasonNJ: Who's page is that you linked to? |
| 04:13:45 | JasonNJ | Big Caddy |
| 04:13:55 | JasonNJ | another guy with an 87 brougham |
| 04:14:02 | JasonNJ | mine is in much nicer condition than his |
| 04:14:09 | brett | http://www.geocities.com/bigcaddy/adaminfo.html |
| 04:14:14 | JasonNJ | my car looks like a mob car |
| 04:14:16 | JasonNJ | its all black |
| 04:14:27 | JasonNJ | people get the hell out of the way when I come down the street |
| 04:14:35 | brett | Heh, or they shoot at you. |
| 04:14:48 | brett | My honda civic owns your caddy. :) |
| 04:15:11 | JasonNJ | whoa the guy died? |
| 04:15:18 | brett | That's what I'm wondering |
| 04:16:53 | brett | Man I hate to say it seeing how he's dead and all... But just look at that picture. |
| 04:17:07 | brett | He did NOT fit that car. |
| 04:17:19 | JasonNJ | I fit perfect in that car |
| 04:17:24 | JasonNJ | I'm a fat bastard |
| 04:17:30 | brett | heh |
| 04:17:55 | brett | http://www.elisp.com/~brett/mepic01.jpg |
| 04:18:08 | brett | I just put that one up. Its me and my gf at a party awhile back. I get a kick out of it. |
| 04:18:51 | peanutz | not that damn picture again |
| 04:18:54 | JasonNJ | what a cute couple |
| 04:18:54 | brett | hehe |
| 04:20:02 | JasonNJ | http://www.argonautsystems.com/Y2K/ |
| 04:20:09 | JasonNJ | this is the Y2K party I had |
| 04:20:19 | JasonNJ | I'm the dude in the bottom picture |
| 04:20:21 | JasonNJ | with red beard |
| 04:20:39 | brett | What is that in the first picture? A mcdonalds motel? :) |
| 04:21:02 | JasonNJ | NY skyline |
| 04:21:21 | JasonNJ | from the apartment we were in overlooking times square |
| 04:21:34 | brett | Nice view. |
| 04:21:57 | brett | Man, I want a view of times square. All I can see from my place is the building next to me. |
| 04:23:03 | JasonNJ | yeah, they sold that condo and moved out to jersey where I live |
| 04:23:15 | JasonNJ | I was in the city because I was on call |
| 04:23:22 | JasonNJ | nobody called. |
| 04:23:26 | Mallory | I would never go to the city on NYE. |
| 04:23:31 | JasonNJ | which was good, cause we got really shitfaced. |
| 04:23:33 | webinstinct | NJ and you - perfect together:) |
| 04:23:41 | Mallory | heh, NJ rules |
| 04:23:52 | JasonNJ | I think even Truffle got drunk. |
| 04:24:01 | brett | heh |
| 04:24:10 | JasonNJ | he looks pretty glazed in that pic. |
| 04:25:11 | Mallory | I've spent the last five NYE's in the Poconos... nice an relaxing. |
| 04:25:21 | Mallory | Hot tub, cubans, champagne... you can't ask for anything more. |
| 04:25:23 | peanutz | likes the poconos.. |
| 04:25:27 | brett | When I worked at Epods, each developer had to be on call a couple times a month just in case. There were a couple times where I was just praying I didn't get the page. :) |
| 04:25:35 | JasonNJ | I prefer to have rum with my cubans |
| 04:25:45 | JasonNJ | aged rum |
| 04:25:46 | Mallory | I prefer wine, but it's NYE :) |
| 04:26:04 | Mallory | I am not a big rum fan. Had one to many of those "bad nights" in college. |
| 04:26:08 | JasonNJ | yeah I think that New Years we had a Bollinger 1990 |
| 04:26:18 | JasonNJ | aged rum is more like brandy |
| 04:26:28 | webinstinct | How almost Bond-esque |
| 04:26:29 | JasonNJ | when its 15 years old or more |
| 04:26:41 | brett | I've never had aged rum. More of a whiskey guy myself. |
| 04:26:41 | JasonNJ | bolly 1990 and a few others |
| 04:26:45 | brett | I'll have to give it a go sometime |
| 04:26:49 | Mallory | Me neither, would try it though. |
| 04:26:59 | JasonNJ | yeah I collect aged rums. |
| 04:27:01 | ljp | Did I hear someone mention rum?? |
| 04:27:03 | Mallory | I have a bottle of irish whiskey that my dad brought back from Ireland sitting at home. |
| 04:27:12 | JasonNJ | I have a few irish whiskeys |
| 04:27:19 | JasonNJ | and a few single malts |
| 04:27:25 | JasonNJ | but my fave is johnny walker blue |
| 04:27:25 | webinstinct | now THAT's a hobby! |
| 04:27:27 | peanutz | damn.. don't people know that tech people can't install toilets |
| 04:27:31 | JasonNJ | jamesons is good |
| 04:27:33 | brett | When I was in Ireland, it took me a few drinks before I realized why the JD was so expensive. |
| 04:27:33 | peanutz | we're just not meant to do that type of stuff |
| 04:27:46 | brett | JasonNJ: Yeah, I got attached to jamesons in ireland. |
| 04:27:54 | peanutz | my wife keeps wondering why the toilets i install leak |
| 04:28:09 | JasonNJ | I would never isntall a toilet |
| 04:28:18 | brett | hehe |
| 04:28:20 | JasonNJ | thats a professional job for a plumber person |
| 04:28:39 | brett | bahh, save a few bucks. How hard could it really be? And what really could go wrong? |
| 04:28:46 | peanutz | yeah.. i've just added "wannabe plumber" and "ass crack on display" to my cv |
| 04:28:56 | peanutz | brett: you'd be surprised |
| 04:29:02 | peanutz | it *looks* easy.. |
| 04:29:04 | brett | I wonder if there's a website dedicated to cool toilet mods. |
| 04:29:13 | brett | Like neon and whatnot. |
| 04:29:19 | peanutz | hey.. how about a Z hooked up to your toilet |
| 04:29:27 | webinstinct | peanutz: what can't you do with a good manual at hand? |
| 04:29:32 | peanutz | no wait.. thats what X10 is for |
| 04:29:44 | peanutz | talk about your typical shit sellers! |
| 04:29:45 | peanutz | ha! |
| 04:29:59 | peanutz | they probably sell a "toilet cam" |
| 04:30:18 | peanutz | its on their website that pops under when you visit porn, wwww.x10.com/xxx.htm |
| 04:30:19 | webinstinct | I think I've seen it in one of those pop-unders |
| 04:30:25 | peanutz | hehehehe |
| 04:30:40 | webinstinct | It said "you'd be surprised at what you see" |
| 04:30:46 | peanutz | hehehe |
| 04:30:52 | peanutz | hehehehe |
| 04:30:55 | peanutz | damn.. |
| 04:31:17 | peanutz | i don't know.. it cost me 90 bucks for a new toilet |
| 04:31:31 | peanutz | and a couple more for the caulk to stop the leaking |
| 04:31:32 | peanutz | not bad.. |
| 04:31:41 | peanutz | it probably would have cost me 200 to have a plumber do it.. |
| 04:31:50 | peanutz | at least. |
| 04:32:00 | peanutz | thats 1/3 of my tivo |
| 04:32:08 | webinstinct | depends on where you go to get a plumber |
| 04:32:14 | peanutz | true. |
| 04:32:23 | webinstinct | you have to know people |
| 04:32:26 | peanutz | speaking of hacks. |
| 04:32:48 | peanutz | i've been thinking about replacing a laptop at work with my Z |
| 04:32:50 | webinstinct | I can get one installed for about a quarter of that |
| 04:33:03 | peanutz | no no.. |
| 04:33:09 | peanutz | 200 == toilet and labor |
| 04:33:19 | webinstinct | oh |
| 04:33:26 | peanutz | i was figuring about being ripped off a little bit |
| 04:33:29 | peanutz | not too much.. |
| 04:33:38 | peanutz | i figure 50 min for labor.. |
| 04:33:46 | peanutz | so double it |
| 04:34:15 | Mallory | Oh man: http://www.amibiosornot.com/ |
| 04:34:20 | peanutz | around here, most tradespeople work with unspoken minimum labor charges |
| 04:34:25 | Mallory | AMI BIOS or not... a new low of the "am I X or not" food chain. |
| 04:35:31 | brett | hahaha |
| 04:35:36 | brett | Awesome |
| 04:35:43 | webinstinct | :) |
| 04:36:21 | webinstinct | peanutz: find me in a month. I am about to replace two toilets in my home. I'll tell you how much they charged me |
| 04:37:18 | peanutz | shit.. |
| 04:37:22 | peanutz | its late.. wife is home |
| 04:37:25 | peanutz | i need to sign off |
| 04:37:38 | peanutz | night all |
| 04:37:44 | webinstinct | ttyl |
| 04:47:43 | richc | hello |
| 04:48:07 | richc | Has anybody had any problems with the proxy settings in the network settings? |
| 04:48:39 | richc | It seems like opera is completly ignoring my proxy settings. |
| 04:50:49 | webinstinct | My wireless card arrives tomorrow morning. |
| 04:51:04 | webinstinct | so, not yet:) |
| 04:51:20 | webinstinct | besides, I can't even sync normally |
| 04:51:30 | webinstinct | so I am far behind |
| 04:51:53 | brett | webinstinct: What kind and where'd you buy it from? |
| 04:52:43 | brett | My smc card isn't even going to ship for another week. :( |
| 04:54:04 | webinstinct | the Socket Technologies |
| 04:54:25 | webinstinct | http://www.techdepot.com/product.asp?productID=434983&info=Tech#tabs |
| 04:54:25 | brett | I thought that wasn't supported yet. |
| 04:55:27 | webinstinct | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/peri.asp |
| 04:55:31 | webinstinct | second from top |
| 04:56:29 | brett | webinstinct: Ahh, the non-wirless one? |
| 04:56:35 | nasa | Hi everyone -- got a quick question |
| 04:56:47 | nasa | Can you do dhcp over usb? |
| 04:57:02 | webinstinct | brett: 802.11b |
| 04:57:37 | brett | The 'P/N: Compact LAN (CFE-10BT)' is a 10 base T card. |
| 04:58:22 | Mallory | I got the 10Base-T one, works like a charm |
| 04:58:38 | Mallory | nasa: I don't think you can change the IP of the Z when it's on the cradle, maybe somebody can correct me. |
| 04:58:45 | webinstinct | brett: no no no. P/N: Low Power Ethernet CF Card |
| 04:58:55 | brett | ahh gotchya |
| 04:59:13 | webinstinct | anyway. I hope that's the one |
| 04:59:18 | nasa | oh, bummer |
| 04:59:48 | brett | Yeah, you can change it. |
| 05:00:15 | webinstinct | True.. |
| 05:00:36 | nasa | Does that mean you can use dhcp? |
| 05:02:22 | richc | hello |
| 05:02:23 | richc | It seems like opera is completly ignoring my proxy settings. |
| 05:02:27 | richc | Has anybody had any problems with the proxy settings in the network settings? |
| 05:05:30 | whadaver | whatz a SLOT? |
| 05:05:50 | whadaver | is that some kinda signal thingy, event handler? |
| 05:07:58 | webinstinct | I'll be damned.. |
| 05:08:13 | webinstinct | OK. Check this out: I have a w2k server sitting next to me. |
| 05:08:27 | webinstinct | it's running IIS and I am developing an app for it. |
| 05:08:39 | webinstinct | now, the Z is in cradle. Turned off. |
| 05:09:24 | webinstinct | I am typing this on my laptop. I type in the browser http://websrv/techweb and I see that the browser is trying to connect to 192.168.1.200!!! |
| 05:09:50 | webinstinct | I do have DHCP... |
| 05:10:21 | JasonNJ | damn.. VP just called me from sharp HQ at 12 midnight |
| 05:10:30 | JasonNJ | they are really trying to get this ROM out |
| 05:11:02 | nasa | What updates can we expect out of new rom? |
| 05:11:09 | JasonNJ | lots. |
| 05:11:24 | nasa | Will it address the usb connecton problem |
| 05:11:31 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 05:11:32 | msmax | jasonNJ: about what rom you speak? |
| 05:11:38 | JasonNJ | new developer rom. |
| 05:11:59 | JasonNJ | which is supposed to be teh template for the 5500 rom. |
| 05:13:39 | webinstinct1 | what did I miss? |
| 05:13:42 | webinstinct1 | what changes? |
| 05:13:49 | webinstinct1 | is it gonna sync?:) |
| 05:16:31 | webinstinct1 | is breathing in his paper bag |
| 05:16:54 | JasonNJ | new sync software, new drivers. |
| 05:17:01 | webinstinct1 | woo-hoo |
| 05:17:08 | nasa | Cool |
| 05:17:09 | webinstinct1 | did they say when? |
| 05:17:54 | JasonNJ | soon. |
| 05:18:27 | MSpin | JasonNJ: do you know how many Zs have been sold? |
| 05:19:06 | JasonNJ | developer units? a few thousand. |
| 05:19:14 | MSpin | cool |
| 05:19:19 | JasonNJ | they havent sold out the stock yet. |
| 05:19:26 | JasonNJ | They only produced 5000 initial units |
| 05:19:35 | JasonNJ | I think we may have like 1500 left or something. |
| 05:19:59 | MSpin | ahh, cool |
| 05:20:01 | JasonNJ | they havent decided whether or not to produce any more 5000s |
| 05:20:09 | MSpin | hrm |
| 05:20:17 | JasonNJ | proably will just sell them out and then sell 5500s |
| 05:20:31 | MSpin | yeah |
| 05:20:31 | JasonNJ | I want them to sell the 5000 commercially though |
| 05:20:44 | MSpin | have they started production on the 5500s? |
| 05:20:48 | JasonNJ | yep. |
| 05:20:50 | JasonNJ | I have one. |
| 05:20:52 | MSpin | it'd be a good entry model |
| 05:20:52 | MSpin | cool |
| 05:20:54 | JasonNJ | just got it last week |
| 05:20:58 | MSpin | sweet |
| 05:21:02 | MSpin | is it just ram? |
| 05:21:05 | JasonNJ | the rom on the 5500 isnt finalized |
| 05:21:11 | JasonNJ | yep just ram difference |
| 05:21:14 | JasonNJ | and cradle |
| 05:21:14 | MSpin | k |
| 05:21:19 | webinstinct1 | ok, why is my browser trying to connect to 192.168.1.200 instead of the real ip of my server? |
| 05:21:22 | JasonNJ | cradle has a plastic guard on it |
| 05:21:46 | MSpin | did they make the quard over the IO port automatic? |
| 05:22:09 | JasonNJ | no you still have to flip it |
| 05:22:17 | MSpin | damn:( |
| 05:22:22 | JasonNJ | but the cradle prevents you from snapping it off |
| 05:22:25 | JasonNJ | on the cradle side |
| 05:22:27 | MSpin | ahh great |
| 05:22:34 | JasonNJ | the unit can only go in one way now |
| 05:22:35 | Mallory | Sounds nice |
| 05:22:36 | JasonNJ | straight in |
| 05:22:49 | nasa | That is a good fix |
| 05:22:51 | MSpin | the Z crade is better than the iPAQ one |
| 05:22:54 | JasonNJ | also the charger charges faster |
| 05:23:03 | JasonNJ | some kind of additional resistor pack or something |
| 05:23:04 | Mallory | It holds a charge much better then I expected. |
| 05:23:09 | Mallory | The last PDA I had was a Palm III. |
| 05:23:13 | nasa | Any expectations on battery life? |
| 05:23:25 | MSpin | yeah..the Palm3s were great cradles |
| 05:23:33 | JasonNJ | yeah the 5500 has improved microcode to handle the charge better |
| 05:23:36 | Mallory | Dunno, it's always on the cradle. :) |
| 05:23:41 | JasonNJ | the 5000 will get that microcode with the new rom |
| 05:23:48 | JasonNJ | it will update the microcode as well as teh rom |
| 05:23:56 | MSpin | cool |
| 05:24:02 | brett | Have they fixed the battery meter? |
| 05:24:08 | JasonNJ | yes apparently |
| 05:24:10 | nasa | Great |
| 05:24:15 | MSpin | w00t! |
| 05:24:16 | brett | sweet |
| 05:24:24 | JasonNJ | also the improved microcode gives about a 20 percent improvement in battery life |
| 05:24:34 | MSpin | ahhh great |
| 05:25:01 | Mallory | What's wrong with the battery meter? |
| 05:25:02 | nasa | Will we be able to get the new cradle for the 500D |
| 05:25:07 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 05:25:11 | nasa | 5000d |
| 05:25:14 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 05:25:26 | brett | JasonNJ: How about an upgrade plan? |
| 05:25:27 | JasonNJ | the replacement cradles will be the 5500 cradle |
| 05:25:28 | nasa | Ah yeah |
| 05:25:38 | JasonNJ | brett: impossible to do unfortunately |
| 05:25:43 | JasonNJ | the unit cant be upgraded |
| 05:25:51 | JasonNJ | system board wont accomodate it |
| 05:25:53 | brett | No trade ins or anything |
| 05:25:54 | brett | ? |
| 05:25:57 | MSpin | now we jsut need Bluetooth integrated;) |
| 05:26:07 | JasonNJ | well, they may do something along the lines of a discount |
| 05:26:18 | MSpin | JasonNJ: that'd be great |
| 05:26:20 | brett | That'd be pretty nice. |
| 05:26:23 | JasonNJ | but it hasnt been finalized yet |
| 05:26:35 | webinstinct1 | Do you know the price of 5500? |
| 05:26:39 | JasonNJ | keep in mind the 5000 will be supported in rom upgrades for a WHILE |
| 05:26:44 | brett | From reading the posts on the dev forum, it's looking like they don't want to do that. |
| 05:27:02 | JasonNJ | brett it is under heavy discussion at Sharp USA. |
| 05:27:15 | JasonNJ | the engineering staff really isnt privvy to that kind of stuff. |
| 05:27:17 | MSpin | any word on a hip attachment? |
| 05:28:13 | ljp | What I'd really like to see is just a cable connector from the Z to USB, so the keyboard can be used. |
| 05:28:32 | MSpin | ljp: yeah, and serial |
| 05:28:41 | MSpin | so I can easily WarWalk:) |
| 05:28:57 | brett | WarWalk. heh |
| 05:29:07 | brett | That sounds so nonthreatening |
| 05:29:11 | MSpin | hehe |
| 05:29:30 | brett | Loki news is on slasdhot |
| 05:29:35 | brett | slashdot |
| 05:30:34 | MSpin | \msg JasonNJ BTW, in case you guys don't get thanked enough: you folks have been kicking ass, and it's showing. |
| 05:30:38 | MSpin | oops |
| 05:30:43 | Mallory | werd |
| 05:30:58 | brett | brown noser. :) |
| 05:31:30 | MSpin | brett: not hardly, this is the first PDA I've used that has replaced my Palm III |
| 05:31:40 | MSpin | and it did so in a matter os days |
| 05:31:43 | MSpin | s/os/of |
| 05:31:51 | JasonNJ | heh |
| 05:31:57 | webinstinct1 | MSpin: amen! |
| 05:32:06 | JasonNJ | ms: we still need to kick more ass. |
| 05:32:17 | MSpin | JasonNJ: it'll happen:) |
| 05:32:34 | JasonNJ | we have some surprises in store |
| 05:32:39 | JasonNJ | in the next few months |
| 05:32:40 | MSpin | hehe |
| 05:32:44 | JasonNJ | that will really rattle Palm and MS. |
| 05:32:56 | MSpin | w00t! (again:)) |
| 05:33:39 | MSpin | I really wish I had been going to CES this year rather than last:( |
| 05:33:54 | brett | I went to CES... |
| 05:34:08 | brett | I ate a hotdog, and got so sick I was in bed for 2 out of the 3 days I was there. |
| 05:34:14 | JasonNJ | brett: did you go the the sharp booth? |
| 05:34:27 | brett | Only managed to see the show for 3 hours before I had to get to the airport. Yeah Jason |
| 05:34:31 | MSpin | brett: :( |
| 05:34:42 | JasonNJ | oh man that sucks |
| 05:34:49 | JasonNJ | I wasnt at CES |
| 05:34:54 | JasonNJ | I heard we had a massive presence there |
| 05:35:00 | brett | JasonNJ: Yeah you did. |
| 05:35:08 | brett | People were all over the Z's. |
| 05:35:52 | brett | Stupid 99 cent megadog. It looked so good at the time. |
| 05:36:09 | JasonNJ | hmmm.. the zaurus-general list seems to be heating up |
| 05:36:20 | brett | It's about time. :) |
| 05:36:23 | JasonNJ | I was getting a little worried for a while after I killed the yahoo group |
| 05:36:43 | brett | Yeah, where did everyone go? There should've been way more traffic. |
| 05:36:59 | JasonNJ | I think some people joined just for the file downloads |
| 05:37:10 | JasonNJ | our file download statistics on sourceforge are quite impressive |
| 05:37:16 | brett | Still, there was a lot of traffic on the yahoo lists. |
| 05:37:19 | JasonNJ | the SF project ranks 200 out of 32,000 |
| 05:37:30 | JasonNJ | ZaurusZone has been getting more traffic too |
| 05:37:34 | brett | Cool. |
| 05:37:46 | brett | Any plans on setting up a ipk feed on ZZ? |
| 05:38:05 | JasonNJ | yeah will probably do it soon. |
| 05:38:19 | brett | No rush, just curious. |
| 05:38:20 | JasonNJ | if I can figure out a better way to manage it. |
| 05:38:36 | brett | Why don't you appoint someone to do it? |
| 05:38:47 | brett | I'm sure someone would volunteer. |
| 05:38:53 | JasonNJ | cause i dont have many volunteers |
| 05:39:02 | JasonNJ | we may do one for OpenZaurus soon |
| 05:39:19 | JasonNJ | I want to make sure whatever ipks we put up work. |
| 05:39:26 | JasonNJ | it takes a while to test them |
| 05:39:54 | brett | The build system they're setting up is pretty sweet. It probably wouldn't be that hard to add feed support to the process. |
| 05:39:54 | JasonNJ | ceo of enron resigned |
| 05:40:11 | brett | That's not suprising. :) |
| 05:40:41 | brett | Loki should feel glad that they're not enron at least. |
| 05:40:53 | kend-zaur | re |
| 05:41:47 | ljp | yo |
| 05:42:20 | ljp | heh I ported that silly tic tak to game of TT's |
| 05:42:51 | brett | Enter it into the contest. heh |
| 05:43:02 | ljp | you have to own the copyright. |
| 05:43:20 | ljp | all I did was change two lines, and run tmake again |
| 05:43:26 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 05:43:59 | kend-zaur | jason!!! |
| 05:44:06 | JasonNJ | yo k. |
| 05:49:35 | kend-zaur | watches zaurus battery go to 'low' |
| 05:50:53 | kend-zaur | so bored |
| 05:51:42 | JasonNJ | its late |
| 05:51:47 | JasonNJ | time for me to sleep. |
| 05:51:49 | JasonNJ | niters dudes. |
| 05:51:53 | kend-zaur | not here... just 10 |
| 05:51:54 | kend-zaur | cya |
| 05:51:54 | brett | 'night |
| 05:52:03 | brett | where you at kend? |
| 05:52:32 | kend-zaur | davis, ca |
| 05:52:39 | ljp | damn, my apps size keeps creepin.... |
| 05:52:49 | brett | ahh, seattle here. Good timezone to be in. :) |
| 05:53:03 | ljp | Co here |
| 05:53:16 | nasa | cya |
| 05:57:10 | kend-zaur | runs |
| 05:57:12 | kend-zaur | nitey |
| 07:05:34 | icefox | anyone up |
| 07:05:35 | icefox | ? |
| 10:36:04 | whardier | frozen |
| 10:43:35 | msmax | what frozen? |
| 10:47:34 | whardier | me |
| 10:47:53 | whardier | if we would have gone north a bit.. I would be 80 miles from siberia |
| 10:48:08 | whardier | then it is just a simplewalk of to your house.. right? |
| 10:48:29 | msmax | yes ;) |
| 10:48:36 | whardier | heh |
| 10:49:05 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 10:49:07 | whardier | its bed time now |
| 10:49:10 | whardier | cya |
| 14:45:36 | kergoth`work | mornin people. |
| 15:16:41 | Mallory | I just hacked sysinfo to show swap usage. Who/where should I submit a patch? (my first Qt bit ever) |
| 16:02:19 | bipolar | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 16:02:33 | bipolar | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 16:24:07 | camlaw | waves |
| 16:24:14 | camlaw | camlaw??? where the heck did that come from |
| 16:24:36 | peanutz | that loser still has my nick.. |
| 16:24:39 | peanutz | is there a nick server here? |
| 16:25:13 | kergoth`work | peanutz: yes, next time you have it, register it with NickServ |
| 16:25:33 | webinstinct | Hi, gang! |
| 16:25:43 | peanutz | kergoth, how exactly do i do that? |
| 16:25:47 | kergoth`work | greetings |
| 16:25:52 | kergoth`work | peanutz: /msg NickServ help |
| 16:25:54 | kergoth`work | peanutz: :-) |
| 16:26:56 | webinstinct | anyone: how can I type ctrl+o for example? Or was using Pico a mistake? |
| 16:31:05 | peanutz | 16 hours 10 minutes 52 seconds idle |
| 16:31:16 | peanutz | hrmm.. can't we kick idle lusers |
| 16:32:09 | webinstinct | guys. |
| 16:32:32 | webinstinct | if I use software keyboard and try typing ctrl+o it sends just o |
| 16:32:48 | webinstinct | I need to type ctrl+o |
| 16:35:52 | kergoth`work | webinstinct: fn+shift+o on the hardware keyboard |
| 16:35:56 | kergoth`work | peanutz: whos idle? |
| 16:39:20 | webinstinct | kergoth: Thank you! |
| 16:39:47 | peanutz | kergoth: peanut |
| 16:40:47 | kergoth`work | ah |
| 16:53:40 | tux_mike | gaaaaah! |
| 16:53:52 | tux_mike | throws his code at a wall |
| 16:54:59 | Mallory | If it sticks it's ready, no? |
| 16:56:12 | tux_mike | no. i'm trying to punish it for not working |
| 17:05:08 | kergoth | hey jason |
| 17:05:15 | JasonNJ | hiya. |
| 17:05:21 | tux_mike | hey jason |
| 17:05:25 | peanutz | hey jason |
| 17:05:30 | JasonNJ | can you get me a rough cut of beta 3 this weekend? |
| 17:05:37 | JasonNJ | so I can show it at linuxworld? |
| 17:06:04 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yeah I'll get you a prerelease ver |
| 17:06:19 | JasonNJ | how much do you have working? |
| 17:06:40 | kergoth | JasonNJ: well, most of hte bugs w/ 2.5-2 are fixed.. |
| 17:06:53 | kergoth | JasonNJ: you'd have to ask tim riker how the jffs2/mtd stuff is proceeding |
| 17:07:09 | kergoth | JasonNJ: and I'm working on the dependency for tKc today |
| 17:07:13 | JasonNJ | oh he is putting together the FS for you? |
| 17:07:20 | Hellaenergy | whats new? |
| 17:07:34 | kergoth | JasonNJ: I have the fs.. he's getting jffs2 to work with his mtd partitioning.. i couldnt get it to boot on my Z |
| 17:08:07 | kergoth | JasonNJ: he and I have been focusing on fixing the OZ buildsystem lately, as it'll make everything much much easier. |
| 17:09:01 | JasonNJ | the mtd partitioning on the Z is weird? |
| 17:09:17 | kergoth | JasonNJ: his new driver adds mtd0-5, instead of mtd0,1 |
| 17:09:32 | JasonNJ | why do we need so many mtds? |
| 17:09:34 | mandrake | whee |
| 17:09:41 | mandrake | I have qpe on one of my two ipaqs now |
| 17:09:50 | kergoth | JasonNJ: mtd0=bootloader, etc.. can easily update items other than the rootfs |
| 17:09:58 | JasonNJ | ah ok. |
| 17:10:07 | kergoth | JasonNJ: plus the rootfs mtd is writable now, which is what we needed for jffs2 |
| 17:10:13 | treke|work | mandrake : how do you like it? |
| 17:10:36 | JasonNJ | mandrake: using bipolar's ipk's? |
| 17:10:40 | mandrake | treke|work: I've been having to write qpe apps at work so I needed a better test platform that I have better access to then the rare zauruses around here |
| 17:10:42 | mandrake | JasonNJ: no. |
| 17:10:47 | mandrake | JasonNJ: using the ones on qpe.sourceforge.net |
| 17:10:59 | JasonNJ | not sure if those are upated |
| 17:11:13 | mandrake | which give me a very similar looking setup to the qpe emulator I got from trolltech |
| 17:11:14 | peanutz | mandrake: nice cars |
| 17:11:20 | treke|work | I think the last update was octobler |
| 17:11:32 | JasonNJ | bipolar has a newer feed, you should use his. |
| 17:11:41 | JasonNJ | its closer to what is on the Z. |
| 17:12:11 | mandrake | right so this is where I point out that I'm not developing solely for the Z, I'm developing for what I assume most people will be running when they have qpe, which would be the stuff from the main qpe site |
| 17:12:24 | mandrake | this is not for my own personal benefit :) |
| 17:13:06 | mandrake | kinda like how I don't want to reflash the 2 zauruses we have here either because anyone else who is running one right now probably won't have reflashed theirs either |
| 17:13:46 | mandrake | unless and until that sort of thing is automatically updated I don't see why I would want to do that :) |
| 17:13:50 | JasonNJ | actually on the ipaq most people are using bipolar's ipkg feed |
| 17:14:11 | mandrake | I know a lot of people who run linux on their ipaqs who don't get on irc. |
| 17:14:17 | mandrake | and aren't on the mailing lists. |
| 17:14:45 | mandrake | in fact, I'd say that more people use it that AREN'T in these discussions than are |
| 17:15:03 | kergoth | mandrake: Most people using zaurii will be on 1.02 romimage, not what came with the unit, imho. |
| 17:15:23 | peanutz | and that will change soon.. |
| 17:15:27 | mandrake | kergoth: you have to realize that developers are not users. |
| 17:15:38 | mandrake | and users are not devleopers |
| 17:15:41 | mandrake | developers even |
| 17:15:42 | mandrake | heh |
| 17:16:00 | kergoth | mandrake: point taken. |
| 17:16:10 | mandrake | I was under the impression that the people the zaurus type units were targetted towards were not the hacker-type |
| 17:16:19 | mandrake | otherwise they'd probably be running X anyways because to me that's a lot more interesting |
| 17:16:36 | JasonNJ | the only people using Zaurii now are Developers and Hacker types. |
| 17:16:48 | mandrake | JasonNJ: once the release unit ships that will not be the case. |
| 17:16:48 | kergoth | mandrake: Your impression is correct. |
| 17:17:08 | mandrake | and qpe in general is targetted towards non-hacker types |
| 17:17:15 | JasonNJ | mandrake: yes, but the release is based on much newer code |
| 17:17:39 | mandrake | my point is still that I'd rather make my stuff work on the older stuff - if it's backwards compat then it's a win-win situation for me |
| 17:17:55 | JasonNJ | rrgh not sure how backwards compat it is |
| 17:18:02 | mandrake | that's just the way the world works :) |
| 17:18:07 | JasonNJ | certainly the PIM stuff isnt at all |
| 17:18:14 | mandrake | oh I don't give a crap about that stuff |
| 17:18:14 | kergoth | mandrake: there's a binary compatibility problem with the qpe library from previous qpe versions to the current. |
| 17:18:40 | kergoth | mandrake: if you build against a previous qpe and use the Config class for example, it wont run on the zaurus released ver. |
| 17:19:23 | kergoth | mandrake: though actually i've only verified that on previous versions of the cvs qpe, not 1.4.0 and earlier, so I really dont know what i'm talking about with regard to those old versions, so I'm going to shut up now. |
| 17:19:24 | kergoth | hehe. |
| 17:19:56 | bipolar | JasonNJ: hello |
| 17:19:59 | tux_mike | kergoth: i found a bug in solitare :) |
| 17:20:05 | JasonNJ | hey bi. |
| 17:20:08 | kergoth | tux_mike: lol.. what is it? |
| 17:20:27 | mandrake | although I will say the qpe I downloaded from the qpe site tends to crash a lot |
| 17:20:32 | mandrake | a LOT :) |
| 17:20:41 | tux_mike | in the klondike mode, you click on any of the uncovered cards on the board, and they flip over and go to the center of the screen |
| 17:20:44 | JasonNJ | mandrake: use bipolar's feed |
| 17:20:48 | mandrake | but then again, I crash the one on the zaurus all the time too |
| 17:20:49 | kergoth | tux_mike: aha |
| 17:20:53 | kergoth | tux_mike: thats amusing |
| 17:21:07 | JasonNJ | bipolar's feed is based on current CVS |
| 17:21:19 | JasonNJ | which is what the zaurus developer release tomorrow is based on. |
| 17:21:37 | peanutz | what was that |
| 17:21:38 | JasonNJ | which for the purposes of the contest is what everyone is gonna start using. |
| 17:21:44 | peanutz | a rom tomorrow |
| 17:22:10 | tux_mike | yah, once you do it, it messes up your game, can't put the cards in the right places anymore |
| 17:23:23 | jwick | hello? |
| 17:24:12 | peanutz | hehehehe |
| 17:24:20 | peanutz | hello goodbye |
| 17:24:47 | tux_mike | why can't people just have a little patience |
| 17:24:49 | Hellaenergy | Man that is too sad about loki games. |
| 17:24:55 | peanutz | beyond sad.. |
| 17:24:55 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: sure is |
| 17:25:24 | Hellaenergy | We got to rip those games and put em on limewire |
| 17:25:35 | peanutz | bought their games (even though i never played them) just to support them |
| 17:26:00 | peanutz | gets sadder everytime a decent linux company goes under.. |
| 17:26:05 | Hellaenergy | They just drank it away ;) |
| 17:26:09 | peanutz | the va people i wanna shoot though.. |
| 17:26:22 | peanutz | no offense to any former (or current) va employees here |
| 17:26:45 | peanutz | s/people/company/ |
| 17:31:53 | mandrake | where is bipolar's feed? |
| 17:32:00 | mandrake | and can I just change in the package tool? |
| 17:32:35 | JasonNJ | man this loki thing is really bumming me out. |
| 17:32:43 | | i think bipolar is going insane, his feed is at http://www.longbros.com/benjamin/ipaq/dist/feed/ |
| 17:32:43 | treke|work | ibot : bipolar |
| 17:35:13 | | i heard bipolar-feed was at http://www.longbros.com/benjamin/ipaq/dist/feed/ |
| 17:35:13 | bipolar | ibot: bipolar-feed? |
| 17:35:36 | | i heard zaurus was at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm |
| 17:35:36 | JasonNJ | ibot: zaurus |
| 17:36:33 | bipolar | JasonNJ: Do you know what TT's position on Opie is? |
| 17:36:47 | JasonNJ | bipolar: I will know next week. |
| 17:36:52 | JasonNJ | they are meeting with us and HH.org |
| 17:36:56 | bipolar | JasonNJ: cool |
| 17:36:57 | JasonNJ | presumably, its positive |
| 17:37:07 | bipolar | JasonNJ: Good. |
| 17:37:24 | JasonNJ | because they want to see Qtopia successfull |
| 17:37:32 | JasonNJ | more people involved in it, the more sucessful it will be |
| 17:58:24 | jwick | Hello, I was looking into getting the Qtopia sdk last night, and on the sight it said you couldn't get the sdk unless you had purchased the SL-500D. I want to work on an app, but I'm not going to be able to buy the SL-500D for about another month, but I wanted to get a head start on my app. Anyone know of a way I can get the sdk before I get the box? |
| 17:59:06 | bipolar | jwick: You could just download the CVS code from qpe.sf.net |
| 17:59:18 | bipolar | jwick: I don't know what else the SDK has in it |
| 18:00:18 | kergoth | jwick: SDK is just the qpe library (if you build cvs that'll be compatible) and qt/embedded library, and Trolltech's Tmake utility.. you'll also want an arm toolchain (i recommend Lineo's) |
| 18:00:48 | jwick | bipolar: that's an option, thanks! |
| 18:00:59 | jwick | kergoth: thanks! |
| 18:03:20 | mandrake | is there a qpe option to not sleep while the power is plugged in? |
| 18:04:19 | treke|work | mandrake : it doesnt in bipolars feed |
| 18:04:30 | treke|work | I dont think it was possible before |
| 18:09:35 | kergoth | woot! |
| 18:09:36 | peanutz | yawns |
| 18:09:44 | kergoth | my sharp rootfs_to_ipks script works finally |
| 18:10:16 | peanutz | kergoth: isn't that good and bad? |
| 18:10:32 | kergoth | peanutz: what do you mean? |
| 18:10:48 | peanutz | doesn't it allow people to extract opera/java from the sharp rom and then install on any ipk compatible system? |
| 18:10:57 | peanutz | i mean.. if you choose to release it.. |
| 18:11:08 | kergoth | yes it does |
| 18:11:12 | kergoth | though that wasnt its purpose |
| 18:11:16 | peanutz | hehehe |
| 18:11:23 | peanutz | so its only a little bad :) |
| 18:11:46 | kergoth | it was created so that I can add the binary files from the sharp rom to the OZ buildsystem, and thereby have a buildsystem that can create the OZ rom even though it cant crosscompile each package yet. |
| 18:12:08 | peanutz | kergoth: i know why.. i was just pointing out the overly obvious |
| 18:12:10 | peanutz | :) |
| 18:12:12 | kergoth | peanutz: ah :-) |
| 18:12:37 | peanutz | speaking of hacks.. whos hacked their tivo up? |
| 18:12:53 | kergoth | doesnt have a tivo yet |
| 18:12:54 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:13:30 | bipolar | Kand-ALF: hiya |
| 18:13:54 | mandrake | well that was a big mistake :) |
| 18:14:01 | Kand-ALF | hi |
| 18:14:08 | kergoth | sup ralf |
| 18:14:12 | kergoth | mandrake: whatd ya do? |
| 18:14:51 | mandrake | kergoth: tried to use bipolar's feed. |
| 18:14:59 | mandrake | now qpe doesn't start anymore |
| 18:15:04 | kergoth | er thats not good |
| 18:15:06 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:15:13 | kergoth | likes to state the obvious occasionally |
| 18:15:28 | bipolar | mandrake: run ipkg upgrade again |
| 18:15:33 | mandrake | bipolar: did that. |
| 18:15:37 | mandrake | everything it says is up to date. |
| 18:15:40 | mandrake | no go. |
| 18:15:56 | bipolar | mandrake: Ok, then. Edit the /etc/init.d/qpe script |
| 18:16:05 | mandrake | well, it gives me a |
| 18:16:25 | mandrake | 'not downgrading package qt-embedded from 2.3.2-12 to 2.3.2-8bp' |
| 18:16:32 | bipolar | mandrake: remove all the redirects after the line that runs qpe so that you get error msgs on your screen. |
| 18:16:47 | bipolar | mandrake: hmmm.... |
| 18:16:59 | bipolar | mandrake: force it. Just in case something changed. |
| 18:17:45 | mandrake | error while loading shared libraries: undefined symbols |
| 18:17:50 | mandrake | (something about screensaver) |
| 18:17:59 | mandrake | how do I force it? |
| 18:19:17 | bipolar | mandrake: hmm... run ipkg without any options. |
| 18:19:24 | bipolar | mandrake: that will tell you. |
| 18:19:39 | mandrake | doesn't say actually |
| 18:19:51 | mandrake | it has a force-defaults and force-depends |
| 18:20:32 | mandrake | maybe you should up the version number a bit on the one in your feed to overcome this |
| 18:21:02 | bipolar | mandrake: ipkg remove qt-embedded;ipkg install qt-embedded |
| 18:21:03 | mandrake | updating that package manually fixed it |
| 18:21:06 | mandrake | I did that |
| 18:21:13 | mandrake | that's how I got around it :) |
| 18:21:13 | bipolar | does it boot now? |
| 18:21:36 | bipolar | I don't think the contents of the package actuly changed though. |
| 18:22:51 | mandrake | it must have |
| 18:23:00 | mandrake | it had an additional symbol that wasn't in the stock one |
| 18:23:21 | jwick | kergoth or bipolar, could you fire off that site for the Qtopia CVS one more time... I closed my window before copying it. |
| 18:23:22 | bipolar | mandrake: hmm.... |
| 18:23:34 | bipolar | jwick: qpe.sf.net |
| 18:23:44 | jwick | bipolar: thank you. |
| 18:24:04 | bipolar | jwick: also, did anyone point you to the opie project? |
| 18:24:06 | mandrake | this package manager is a lot more confusing |
| 18:24:11 | mandrake | I liked the other one better |
| 18:24:24 | bipolar | mandrake: yes. It's not complete yet. |
| 18:24:42 | mandrake | and every time you install anything or change any settings you can't see the packages on the server anymore. |
| 18:25:14 | jwick | bipolar: no, no one did. <newbie> what is it? |
| 18:25:24 | bipolar | jwick: opie.handhelds.org |
| 18:25:50 | bipolar | jwick: if you want to start developing GPL apps for Qtopia, you may want to join us. |
| 18:26:11 | mandrake | okay later |
| 18:26:13 | mandrake | and the GPL is evil. |
| 18:26:17 | mandrake | don't let it corrupt your soul. |
| 18:26:18 | bipolar | lol |
| 18:26:51 | jwick | bipolar: great thanks! |
| 18:27:00 | bipolar | I should have said "Open Source apps" not "GPL apps"... :) |
| 18:29:00 | kendrick2 | re |
| 18:29:20 | bipolar | kendrick2: yo |
| 18:31:17 | JasonNJ | aron kozak is now on the Opie list |
| 18:31:33 | Mallory | jason: Do you know if there will be any "restrictions" at LWCE? |
| 18:31:42 | Mallory | ie, will I be stopped because I'm carrying my Z which may look like a bomb? |
| 18:31:43 | JasonNJ | restrictions? |
| 18:31:49 | kendrick2 | re jason |
| 18:31:53 | Mallory | (Dunno how much of a paranioa the city is still in) |
| 18:31:54 | bipolar | JasonNJ: who is he? |
| 18:32:04 | JasonNJ | they will check you but not stop you from coming in. |
| 18:32:12 | JasonNJ | product manager for Qtopia at TT. |
| 18:32:14 | Mallory | Cool, was just wondering. Thanks. |
| 18:32:20 | bipolar | JasonNJ: cool |
| 18:34:13 | tux_mike | ugh |
| 18:34:23 | kergoth | JasonNJ: very cool. hopefully tt is receptive about all this |
| 18:36:37 | bipolar | JasonNJ: I think that setting up an Opie group in hh.org's bugzilla would be a good way to keep track of things. What do you think? |
| 18:37:41 | bipolar | kergoth: can you explain to me how you are going to keep in sync with changes in Qtopia? (vendor branch, etc...) |
| 18:38:06 | JasonNJ | yeah bugzilla might be good to have. |
| 18:38:12 | kergoth | bipolar: we create a vendor branch for qtopia.. we periodically re-import qpe from cvs into that branch, to keep that branch in sync with their cvs |
| 18:38:33 | kergoth | bipolar: when we checkout the opie module, it'll use the files in the vendor branch unless we alter them |
| 18:38:46 | bipolar | kergoth: hmm... Interesting. |
| 18:38:59 | kergoth | bipolar: in other words, if a newer file exists for a given file in the main branch, it'll checkout that, otherwise it'll check out the file in the vendor branch |
| 18:39:21 | kergoth | bipolar: when we import the latest ver from cvs, it'll give us a list of the files that we've changed that have been updated.. so that we can merge in their changes to our altered code. |
| 18:39:40 | bipolar | kergoth: We need to se what TT is going to do w/ qtopia, I guess. |
| 18:39:52 | kergoth | bipolar: run 'info cvs', see the section on "Tracking External Sources" |
| 18:40:09 | bipolar | kergoth: thanks. I'll do that. |
| 18:40:15 | kergoth | bipolar: indeed, and there's no reason we shouldnt merge in their improvements.. as I see it, we want to improve the system, regardless of the source of the improvements. |
| 18:40:17 | kergoth | bipolar: np |
| 18:40:45 | bipolar | kergoth: and perhaps TT would like to be able to commit to Opie's CVS directly. |
| 18:41:15 | JasonNJ | bipolar: I am hoping we can convince TT to move their CVS to hh.org, or to sync back what improvements we make. |
| 18:41:19 | kergoth | bipolar: thats a possibility, though I dont know how likely.. depends on how they view the project |
| 18:41:31 | kergoth | JasonNJ: that would be optimal |
| 18:41:36 | kendrick2 | seems more likely they'd just merge stuff from HH |
| 18:41:43 | kendrick2 | rather than move their entire CVS to it |
| 18:41:44 | kergoth | kendrick2: agreed |
| 18:41:50 | bipolar | JasonNJ: Yeah. Most of our stuff is going to be apps, some UI work. |
| 18:42:10 | kendrick2 | just, business/politically speaking |
| 18:42:55 | bipolar | kendrick2: yes. But also, there public CVS is not what they are working from. They have there own internal tree. They might dump the public CVS and use Opie for that. |
| 18:43:11 | bipolar | time will tell. :) |
| 18:43:20 | kendrick2 | true |
| 18:43:41 | kendrick2 | if _I_ were TT, since I'm such a lazy bum, the path of least resistance would be for me to just keep mine where it is :) |
| 18:43:48 | kendrick2 | i'm such a bad OSS developer :) |
| 18:43:49 | bipolar | hehe |
| 18:44:07 | bipolar | kendrick2: are you writing any OSS apps for Qtopia? |
| 18:45:36 | kendrick2 | ugh |
| 18:45:41 | kendrick2 | kinda? :) |
| 18:45:55 | kendrick2 | i'm really just waiting for SDL to get ported so I can avoid Qt altogether (for now :) ) |
| 18:46:11 | kendrick2 | L33T hAx0rness will come to me s00ner if SDL gets ported :) |
| 18:46:12 | treke|work | 11hehe |
| 18:46:24 | treke|work | wants sdl also |
| 18:46:32 | kendrick2 | It'll be: "Woah! Kendrick ported 8 cool games to the Z!" |
| 18:46:34 | bipolar | kendrick2: if you have somthing that would be usefull to Opie, I'll set you up with a CVS account. |
| 18:46:35 | treke|work | I want my freesc back |
| 18:46:45 | kendrick2 | versus "Oh, that dork who wrote that lame NTPDate GUI?" :) |
| 18:46:59 | kendrick2 | sorry bipolar. :) i'm currently pretty useless |
| 18:47:05 | bipolar | hehe |
| 18:47:07 | kendrick2 | i can barely construct usable ipks :( :( :( |
| 18:47:40 | treke|work | kendrick2 : do what I do and make them the hard way |
| 18:47:59 | kendrick2 | i've tried making them all ways to sunday :) |
| 18:48:26 | kendrick2 | re bz |
| 18:48:28 | kergoth | kendrick2: use ipkg-build, ensure all files are owned by root.root.. |
| 18:48:36 | kergoth | hey bz |
| 18:48:37 | bipolar | time for lunch.... bbiab |
| 18:48:49 | treke|work | shit. forgot to do that on mine |
| 18:48:53 | JasonNJ | kandalf: you there? |
| 18:48:58 | bipolar_lunch | is away: lunchtime |
| 18:49:53 | kergoth | BZFlag: I opened a support request with SF to remove rootfs/ openzaurus/ buildroot-oz/buildroot-oz from my repository |
| 18:50:06 | kergoth | BZFlag: should be a bit more sane looking after thats done. hehe. |
| 18:52:09 | BZFlag | kergoth: I nuked a bunch of leftover files br-oz/br-oz, so that does not get created on checkout anymore. |
| 18:52:20 | kergoth | BZFlag: ah thanks |
| 18:53:36 | BZFlag | so what's the status at present? |
| 18:53:46 | JasonNJ | oh man shit is gonna hit the fan monday with Ximian |
| 18:53:47 | kergoth | BZFlag: rootfs_to_ipk works now. any files for which it doesnt know a proper packagename, it stuffs into a 'misc' ipk. so I can use this buildsystem for OZ now despite the fact that we dont have every aspect of it built from source.. all I need is a 'ipk' template to stuff a binary ipk into root/ |
| 18:53:50 | BZFlag | kernel builds, glibc builds, what's next? |
| 18:54:14 | kergoth | BZFlag: good question.. bin/rootfs_files.txt is a list of the files in the root filesystem, and what package they belong to |
| 18:54:27 | treke|work | JasonNJ : uh oh. I hope they stick around until the outlook connector is done |
| 18:54:28 | kergoth | BZFlag: btw, does the kernel built with the system work for a jffs2 rootfs on mtd4? |
| 18:54:32 | JasonNJ | as of monday, Ximian is no longer going to license mono under GPL |
| 18:54:55 | treke|work | what license? |
| 18:55:00 | JasonNJ | they are going to use the X11 license |
| 18:55:10 | treke|work | whew |
| 18:55:26 | JasonNJ | yeah but stallman is gonna go bezerk |
| 18:55:36 | kendrick2 | haha |
| 18:55:40 | treke|work | eh. stallman can shove it |
| 18:55:45 | kendrick2 | so can ximian |
| 18:55:48 | kendrick2 | oh wait, i use ximian |
| 18:55:50 | BZFlag | kergoth: don't know yet. I expect it does, I was kinda waiting for at least enough stuff to get a prompt. |
| 18:55:52 | kendrick2 | ... but only at work now :) |
| 18:55:58 | treke|work | I was worried they were gonna go all closed source |
| 18:56:01 | kendrick2 | if i had a bigger HD, or were starting all over.. i'd be using KDE2 :) |
| 18:56:03 | kendrick2 | drools |
| 18:56:14 | kergoth | BZFlag: ah. hehe. |
| 18:56:52 | BZFlag | busybox dies with a PATH_MAX error for mount and umount. |
| 18:57:08 | BZFlag | can't decide if that's my gcc install or an actuall busybox bug. |
| 18:57:08 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:57:20 | BZFlag | ie: where _should_ PATH_MAX be defined? |
| 18:58:09 | JasonNJ | shit. my dog just chewed up my wife's new shoes. |
| 18:58:17 | peanutz | hehehehehe |
| 18:58:19 | kendrick2 | you're gonna die! hahaha |
| 18:58:22 | peanutz | what kind of dog? |
| 18:58:24 | peanutz | has two |
| 18:58:25 | JasonNJ | she is gonna be pissed when she gets back |
| 18:58:35 | JasonNJ | standard poodle. |
| 18:58:45 | kendrick2 | whee |
| 18:58:49 | JasonNJ | I have 2 standards |
| 18:58:51 | BZFlag | kergoth: can you get the rest of the packages over to /build ? |
| 18:58:54 | JasonNJ | one black, one white |
| 18:58:59 | JasonNJ | truffle and bailey. |
| 18:59:05 | JasonNJ | bailey is the badly behaved one. |
| 18:59:05 | peanutz | ahh.. i have two labs.. |
| 18:59:10 | peanutz | nestle and toby |
| 18:59:19 | peanutz | can you guess which one is chocolate and was named by my wife? |
| 18:59:27 | peanutz | hehehe |
| 18:59:38 | peanutz | i wish we had poodles every night when i go to bed.. |
| 18:59:41 | JasonNJ | choco lab? |
| 18:59:42 | kergoth | BZFlag: I'll get the .mk written up to create OZ from those binaries where a source package doesnt exist, today. then it'll build a functional OZ. |
| 18:59:46 | JasonNJ | like the one clinton had? |
| 18:59:50 | kergoth | I'm takin lunch now. |
| 18:59:53 | peanutz | i suppose.. |
| 19:00:10 | peanutz | two 85lb dogs do not make for a peaceful sleep |
| 19:00:29 | JasonNJ | yah min weigh about 45lbs each |
| 19:00:32 | JasonNJ | they are small standards |
| 19:00:37 | JasonNJ | but they take up the whole bed |
| 19:00:55 | peanutz | oh.. they're not small poodles |
| 19:01:10 | kendrick2 | just has two nice cats :) |
| 19:01:12 | tux_mike | and i get annoyed by my 15lb shi tzu :) |
| 19:02:43 | BZFlag | kergoth`lunch: makes sense. |
| 19:02:46 | peanutz | JasonNJ: we have a king and they can take up everything! |
| 19:03:47 | peanutz | i wish the Z had consumer IR |
| 19:03:51 | peanutz | that would be nice.. |
| 19:03:53 | peanutz | hrmm.. i wonder.. |
| 19:04:15 | tux_mike | well, my app sweet is going to use an obex daemon |
| 19:04:16 | peanutz | i bet i could use an old laptop that has irda and put it near my ir device |
| 19:04:21 | peanutz | and then control it via my Z with 80211 |
| 19:04:42 | tux_mike | hrm... interesting :) |
| 19:05:58 | peanutz | talk about an expensive ir remote! |
| 19:06:24 | tux_mike | lol |
| 19:06:38 | tux_mike | i've seen one that was a thousand dollars |
| 19:08:06 | kendrick2 | lameness |
| 19:08:12 | tux_mike | kinda like a pronto, but color |
| 19:08:32 | peanutz | damn.. |
| 19:08:39 | peanutz | whats lame kendrick? |
| 19:08:45 | peanutz | our ir discussion? |
| 19:08:56 | peanutz | or your latest game release hehehehehehe :) |
| 19:09:02 | peanutz | couldn't resist! |
| 19:09:11 | peanutz | actually likes kendricks games (including aliens) |
| 19:09:20 | peanutz | the only reason i every put fresh batteries in my agenda |
| 19:10:38 | kendrick2 | 1000 dollars for a remote is lame :) |
| 19:10:47 | peanutz | agreed |
| 19:11:10 | peanutz | is thinking 50 bucks is the best (read cheapest) rf remote i can get |
| 19:14:03 | bipolar | is back (gone 00:25:03) |
| 19:14:04 | tux_mike | yah, i'd agree. get a friggin pda and a cf ir card. that will cost less than a grand :) |
| 19:14:10 | tux_mike | and give you so much more |
| 19:16:02 | peanutz | tux_mike: I like my idea much better |
| 19:16:22 | peanutz | still.. i think the 50 dollar rf->ir remote will work best |
| 19:16:29 | tux_mike | i think an irblaster cf card would work great through. |
| 19:16:33 | Kand-ALF | re |
| 19:16:35 | Kand-ALF | !@#$ |
| 19:16:40 | Kand-ALF | JasonNJ: are you there ? |
| 19:16:46 | peanutz | true.. but you'd need line of site |
| 19:16:51 | tux_mike | Kand-ALF: i'm feeling the same way. *kicks berkelyDB* |
| 19:16:55 | peanutz | rf could work anywhere within 100' probably |
| 19:16:58 | tux_mike | but you can bring it anywhere |
| 19:17:04 | peanutz | true.. |
| 19:17:28 | peanutz | you could create a macro to send a poweroff signal for every brand of television |
| 19:17:32 | peanutz | then walk into best buy! |
| 19:17:35 | peanutz | bet they'd love you.. |
| 19:18:03 | tux_mike | hrm... i need a 900 mhz rf data modulator and demodulator |
| 19:18:23 | peanutz | x10 will sell you that.. |
| 19:18:28 | kendrick2 | *** JasonNJ has been idle 52 seconds |
| 19:18:43 | tux_mike | peanutz: hrm? |
| 19:19:21 | peanutz | hrmm?? |
| 19:19:41 | peanutz | simple.. place a laptop (or pda) on each end of their 2.4ghz ir->rf transmitter/receivers |
| 19:19:41 | JasonNJ | hey guys. |
| 19:19:46 | peanutz | then run ppp over irda |
| 19:19:47 | peanutz | simple |
| 19:19:51 | JasonNJ | I just spoke to the head of the AOL client at AOL. |
| 19:19:56 | JasonNJ | the developer lead. |
| 19:20:01 | JasonNJ | he wants a wish list for the zaurus. |
| 19:20:04 | bipolar | JasonNJ: yeah? |
| 19:20:06 | JasonNJ | can you guys send them to me? |
| 19:20:22 | bipolar | JasonNJ: I use gAim. :) |
| 19:20:29 | peanutz | think consumer |
| 19:20:32 | JasonNJ | well, assume it would be totally native |
| 19:20:44 | peanutz | you need the regular aol client, aol mail, and an aim client.. |
| 19:20:44 | JasonNJ | with email capapbility, full oscar, etc. |
| 19:20:44 | tux_mike | i was wanting a 900 mhz rf modulator for different things. i want to build a computer controlled battle bot :) |
| 19:20:51 | peanutz | at least the aim client and aol mail client |
| 19:21:00 | peanutz | tux_mike: so.. whats wrong with my idea? |
| 19:21:12 | tux_mike | well, i *need* 900mh |
| 19:21:13 | tux_mike | z |
| 19:21:19 | peanutz | put a pda in the battle bot to decipher the commands |
| 19:21:23 | peanutz | the Z would work nicely for this.. |
| 19:21:38 | peanutz | since you have serial out |
| 19:21:52 | peanutz | put the rf receiver near the Z's ir port. |
| 19:21:57 | tux_mike | well, i was going to use a 5x86 SBC. it has the digital IO i need |
| 19:22:03 | bipolar | peanutz: yeah... and incase it in 2 inces of lexan! :) |
| 19:22:10 | peanutz | hehehehehe |
| 19:22:12 | Bri | Hi guys, I asked a couple of weeks ago about Symbol CF 802.11b card support. Where are we at with that??? I just got one. Nice form factor. Better than the Linksys by far! |
| 19:23:21 | tux_mike | peanutz: i need a 40 channel digital I/O controller for the bot, without it, i can't do anything |
| 19:23:39 | peanutz | oh.. |
| 19:24:12 | tux_mike | the DIO controls all mechanical functions of the bot. |
| 19:25:20 | tux_mike | and there's a lot to control, motors, motor direction, weapon, saftey, watchdog heartbeat, temp monitor, etc |
| 19:26:09 | BZFlag | Bri: I'm awaiting more tech info from symbol. |
| 19:26:29 | tux_mike | hey altered |
| 19:26:31 | BZFlag | looks like the small card is flash-free and needs firmware sent to it on bootup. |
| 19:26:36 | peanutz | so.. the new rom comes out tomorrow! |
| 19:26:36 | altered | tux_mike: hey... |
| 19:26:38 | peanutz | can't wait.. |
| 19:26:44 | BZFlag | so the current drivers will likely not work with it. |
| 19:26:49 | altered | peanutz: I was just about to ask about the ROM. |
| 19:26:50 | peanutz | and maybe OZ will be out soon. eh kergoth? |
| 19:26:59 | tux_mike | altered: i have a big problem with my db cursor stuff, you use the cursor interface to bdb much? |
| 19:27:03 | BZFlag | zcom has a small form factor card too, don't know where you can buy it yet. |
| 19:27:12 | peanutz | the smc is under 100 |
| 19:27:13 | Bri | I have some ins at Symbol. any doors I can knock on for you? |
| 19:27:15 | altered | tux_mike: yes, quite often... |
| 19:27:23 | peanutz | and doesn't block the stylus or headphone |
| 19:27:29 | tux_mike | it just ins't working on mine |
| 19:27:51 | altered | tux_mike: which platform? |
| 19:28:09 | tux_mike | on x86 |
| 19:28:12 | kergoth`lunch | peanutz: perhaps, we're certainly getting farther with the buildsystem.. dont have a timeline on oz beta 3 yet, howver. |
| 19:28:26 | altered | tux_mike: I've been having a few problems with cursor->c_del() with the arm version of libdb2... :( |
| 19:28:35 | altered | tux_mike: but everything seems to be happy on x86 for me. |
| 19:28:37 | peanutz | kergoth: anything i can do to help? |
| 19:28:46 | BZFlag | Bri: I got sources/docs from Manju Mahishi but I'd like sample hardware as well to test on. |
| 19:29:09 | tux_mike | cursor->c_get() isn't working for me. the cursor is just standing still, and behaving otherwise wierdly |
| 19:29:22 | altered | tux_mike: let me see the code. |
| 19:29:28 | Bri | Just some production HW or a developmnet setup? |
| 19:29:44 | kergoth | peanutz: well, the only things that need doing really are adding the ability to the buildsystem to crosscompile various packages.. so that we can get OZ building completely from source.. if you want, you can cvs checkout -P the 'buildroot-oz' module on my cf project and take a look. |
| 19:29:47 | tux_mike | altered: sure, lemme put it up on my site |
| 19:30:09 | peanutz | kergoth: you mean sf project |
| 19:30:15 | kergoth | peanutz: yeah that :-) |
| 19:30:56 | peanutz | what compiler are you using? |
| 19:31:36 | kergoth | peanutz: most of the packages will use the arm-linux- crosscompilation toolchain. i tend to use the lineo toolchain, myself |
| 19:31:46 | kergoth | ugh. headache. brb. |
| 19:32:35 | tux_mike | altered: www.tuxnami.org/~mike/sl-5000/pim |
| 19:32:51 | peanutz | hrmm.. i have the arm-linux stuff.. |
| 19:32:59 | peanutz | should we focus on that? |
| 19:34:11 | tux_mike | altered: you'll have to edit the makefile, i just threw it together, and you can make the test program i'm using |
| 19:44:51 | bipolar | Does anyone have Python/Qt installed on their Zaurus? |
| 19:52:54 | peanutz | nope. |
| 19:53:13 | peanutz | needs to put another hard drive in his tivo |
| 19:53:20 | peanutz | i'm off to 9thtee for the bracket |
| 19:54:34 | peanutz | while i'm there, i guess i'll buy the tivonet board |
| 20:03:12 | JasonNJ | yo shane. |
| 20:03:21 | whardier | yo jason |
| 20:03:24 | kergoth | hey |
| 20:03:25 | kergoth | sup? |
| 20:03:53 | whardier | I have to prepare my bladder for immenant release |
| 20:03:55 | whardier | brb |
| 20:04:25 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:05:54 | whardier | alrighty |
| 20:06:10 | kendrick2 | runs to lunch |
| 20:06:55 | kergoth | whardier: I finished the rootfs_to_ipk script. it'll generate ipks for every package on a Z rootfs (that it knows of, of course). quite nifty. It'll let me get OZ building from the buildsystem soon. |
| 20:07:24 | whardier | oh neat |
| 20:07:26 | whardier | yeah |
| 20:07:29 | kergoth | whardier: cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.openzaurus.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/openzaurus co -P buildroot-oz |
| 20:07:30 | whardier | I dig 2.5.-2 |
| 20:07:35 | whardier | oh very neay |
| 20:07:36 | whardier | :) |
| 20:07:43 | whardier | you fixex it |
| 20:08:09 | kergoth | yup.. I havent added the romimage->ipk stuff to the buildsystem yet.. but I should have that done today. |
| 20:08:49 | whardier | neato |
| 20:08:57 | whardier | using the new sdk? |
| 20:09:10 | kergoth | using cvs qpe, which is binary compatible with the sdk |
| 20:09:10 | whardier | how much canyou cram intothe cvs |
| 20:09:36 | whardier | like if you can cram all butthe compiler |
| 20:09:39 | whardier | that would rule |
| 20:09:47 | kergoth | whardier: dont need any of it in our cvs |
| 20:09:59 | whardier | just grab the cvs from qpe |
| 20:10:02 | kergoth | whardier: the buildsystem obtains source from the original places.. wget, cvs, whatever, and builds it all |
| 20:10:10 | whardier | hmm |
| 20:10:12 | whardier | sounds groovy |
| 20:10:20 | kergoth | whardier: all we'll need in cvs is some patches and the buildsystem itself |
| 20:10:21 | kergoth | :-) |
| 20:10:24 | whardier | is there a new compiler at all.. or kernel sources? |
| 20:10:45 | kergoth | whardier: nope. using the lineo toolchain still. same kernel sources (though with tim riker's mtd patch) |
| 20:10:58 | whardier | how well does the mtd patchwork? |
| 20:11:33 | kergoth | whardier: according to tim, he has the kernel building using the buildsystem and it should work using jffs2 on a rootfs on mtdblock4.. havent tested it yet though. we're trying to work out the kinks in the buildsystem |
| 20:12:09 | whardier | what is mtdblock4 |
| 20:12:13 | kergoth | whardier: btw, #opie exists for work on the qtopia fork, and i recently registered #openzaurus for that project |
| 20:12:28 | kergoth | whardier: mtdblock0=bootloader, mtdblock4=rootfs, mtdblock5=mtdram.. dont remember the rest.. |
| 20:12:46 | whardier | all new I take it |
| 20:12:52 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:12:54 | whardier | has opie spawned at all yet? |
| 20:12:57 | kergoth | in his new mtd driver |
| 20:13:01 | kergoth | opie has a cvs repository now |
| 20:13:04 | kergoth | and 2 mailing lists |
| 20:13:40 | whardier | hmm |
| 20:14:19 | kergoth | http://opie.handhelds.org/ |
| 20:14:51 | kergoth | whardier: though opie on cvs is just qpe w/ your launcherview patch currently |
| 20:15:05 | kergoth | whardier: I havent checked in any of my changes or a number of other things |
| 20:15:27 | whardier | hmm |
| 20:15:28 | whardier | funky |
| 20:15:32 | whardier | heh |
| 20:15:40 | whardier | I like the dark theme a lot more now that it ison m Z |
| 20:16:08 | whardier | however I need to put the new wlan-ng.confs in the rom and test itout |
| 20:16:13 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:16:14 | kergoth | do that |
| 20:16:15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:16:27 | kergoth | I should check the bugs tracker on the sf project |
| 20:16:31 | kergoth | havent looked at that recently |
| 20:16:45 | whardier | feels special |
| 20:16:56 | whardier | is the onnly change from the original qpe cvs |
| 20:16:58 | whardier | :) |
| 20:17:02 | whardier | oh the joy |
| 20:17:02 | kergoth | hehe. yup |
| 20:17:12 | whardier | I should win atleast $5,000 |
| 20:17:19 | whardier | cracks up laughing |
| 20:17:48 | kergoth | I want to stop linking in the QStyles into libqpe, and leave them as external libraries, accessed via the QLibrary class. that'd be nifty. easier to add styles that way. |
| 20:18:24 | kergoth | whardier: I never did come up with a good app idea to submit to the contest.. hehe. so opie & openzaurus are the only projects i'm working on. |
| 20:18:30 | whardier | wow. that would be oddly tough |
| 20:18:35 | whardier | is there a new qstyle? |
| 20:18:43 | whardier | or a screen shot of it atleast? |
| 20:18:54 | kergoth | whardier: just one, and its for OZ not opie.. its tKc's style. max has screenshots of it that i sent him |
| 20:19:10 | whardier | but you don't have them? |
| 20:19:20 | whardier | who is tKc? |
| 20:19:27 | kergoth | whardier: no, I reverted my changes to qpe to add the qstyle |
| 20:19:38 | kergoth | whardier: theKompany.com. max is one of their developers. |
| 20:19:51 | kergoth | whardier: they are going to put their jabber client in OZ beta 3 |
| 20:20:04 | whardier | heh |
| 20:20:22 | whardier | they should call it something generic |
| 20:20:25 | whardier | like qchat |
| 20:20:36 | kergoth | whardier: their jabber client is godly. irc support. applet that notifies you when messages come in, even if jabber itself isnt open.. |
| 20:20:42 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:21:14 | kergoth | ahahaha |
| 20:21:20 | kergoth | /home/kergoth/roms is 310 megs |
| 20:21:22 | kergoth | wtf |
| 20:22:11 | kergoth | ooo i should add a SDK builder option to the build system.. it'd build a /opt/Qtopia style sdk. that'd be useful |
| 20:23:33 | kergoth | whardier: how long you stuck in alaska? |
| 20:25:44 | JasonNJ | kergoth: and it beeps and blinks! |
| 20:25:59 | kergoth | JasonNJ: that too :-) |
| 20:26:23 | JasonNJ | kergoth: it kills anything on the Palm and PocketPC in terms of IM |
| 20:27:18 | kergoth | JasonNJ: agreed. it really shows off the fact that the Z is a handheld computer, not a pda. makes it feel more like you're desktop having a decent IM application. hehe. |
| 20:27:25 | kergoth | s/you're/your/ |
| 20:28:04 | JasonNJ | kerg: any plans to get in their file manager or editor? |
| 20:28:52 | kergoth | JasonNJ: Haven't discussed those. I'll see what Shawn thinks about that next time he comes in here. |
| 20:29:02 | JasonNJ | kergoth do we have a new build of Konqueror yet? the last build simon did didnt work on the Z because of libjpeg issues |
| 20:29:21 | kergoth | JasonNJ: He may want to feature or time limit apps other than the jabber client if we add them. |
| 20:29:26 | JasonNJ | we should start doing builds for Opie/OZ on our own |
| 20:30:15 | kergoth | JasonNJ: no, no new version of konq/e yet. we'll have one before the next OZ release though |
| 20:30:20 | kergoth | JasonNJ: what do you mean? |
| 20:30:44 | JasonNJ | kerg: I mean we should do some compiles of Konq/e instead of waiting for simon to build them for us |
| 20:30:49 | JasonNJ | cause he is totally too busy |
| 20:30:52 | whardier | kergoth: I am here until the 8th |
| 20:31:00 | JasonNJ | we should build it in our CVS |
| 20:31:00 | whardier | will be on the mainland on the 4th |
| 20:31:03 | JasonNJ | as part of qtopia |
| 20:31:10 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ah, yes we will. we've even mulled over the possibility of using my buildsystem to pull down konq/e when you build opie |
| 20:31:13 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yeah thats basically it |
| 20:31:20 | kergoth | whardier: ah ic |
| 20:31:21 | whardier | and then I am coming back in summer to make an island to island wireless bridge |
| 20:31:27 | kergoth | fun |
| 20:31:32 | whardier | Ihope |
| 20:31:40 | JasonNJ | whardier: using what tech/ |
| 20:32:03 | whardier | two huge sat dishes.. and 802.11 |
| 20:32:12 | JasonNJ | ah parabolics |
| 20:32:20 | JasonNJ | thought you might use laser |
| 20:32:30 | whardier | in a nowstorm? |
| 20:32:33 | whardier | snowstorm |
| 20:32:43 | JasonNJ | um, i guess not |
| 20:32:43 | whardier | hehe |
| 20:32:56 | whardier | laser would not go the 30 miles I need |
| 20:32:58 | JasonNJ | how far can 802.11 go using big dishes? |
| 20:33:02 | whardier | and bendwith the earths crvature |
| 20:33:31 | whardier | hopefully the full 38 miles |
| 20:33:33 | JasonNJ | wow must be a pain in the ass to align |
| 20:33:52 | JasonNJ | I read that peice on oreilly, but I wanst aware people were doing it in practice |
| 20:33:55 | whardier | JasonN I cannot see the other side.. so I would guess so :) |
| 20:34:06 | whardier | doing what? |
| 20:34:21 | whardier | I did not read nothing yet |
| 20:34:23 | JasonNJ | using 802.11 using parabolics for long hop communication |
| 20:34:29 | whardier | hehe |
| 20:34:30 | whardier | cool |
| 20:34:31 | JasonNJ | hmm let me get the link. |
| 20:34:33 | whardier | soit works :) |
| 20:34:39 | whardier | I was just guessing |
| 20:35:02 | JasonNJ | weill, over 20 miles they tested it I think |
| 20:35:23 | JasonNJ | in california |
| 20:35:28 | whardier | I got 20 to work |
| 20:35:28 | JasonNJ | in clear skies |
| 20:35:31 | whardier | I need like 40 |
| 20:35:59 | whardier | prollygonna get a liscence for using a 8watt amp |
| 20:36:13 | whardier | I have to test this all out at home |
| 20:36:21 | JasonNJ | http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/wireless/2001/10/12/maine.html |
| 20:36:26 | JasonNJ | thats one about some ISP in maine |
| 20:37:39 | JasonNJ | http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/wireless/2001/05/03/longshot.html |
| 20:37:43 | JasonNJ | thats the one you want to read. |
| 20:37:53 | JasonNJ | the did it to sonoma over the mountains |
| 20:37:54 | JasonNJ | 20 miles |
| 20:38:09 | whardier | over the mountains? |
| 20:38:15 | JasonNJ | yeah |
| 20:38:23 | whardier | without seeing the other end? |
| 20:38:36 | JasonNJ | they used some kinda relay |
| 20:38:42 | whardier | oh |
| 20:38:44 | whardier | nevermind |
| 20:39:27 | JasonNJ | they used a 100 foot tower |
| 20:39:41 | whardier | heh |
| 20:39:47 | tux_mike | anyone have a good thin titlebar window decoration for kde? |
| 20:39:54 | whardier | welll I will need a few dishes when I get home |
| 20:40:07 | whardier | boots bret |
| 20:40:11 | whardier | you made me bored |
| 20:40:15 | JasonNJ | you got a spectrum analyzer? |
| 20:40:21 | brett__ | heh |
| 20:40:46 | kergoth | sup brett |
| 20:40:47 | whardier | JasonNJ yeah |
| 20:40:58 | whardier | been using it non stop lately |
| 20:41:04 | brett__ | oops, have another client going |
| 20:41:13 | brett | ahh There we go. |
| 20:41:15 | whardier | I need to buy one from naional semi forthelaptop.. that would rule |
| 20:41:17 | brett | yo kergoth |
| 20:45:23 | JasonNJ | actually a spec analyzer for the Z would rock |
| 20:45:35 | JasonNJ | did that vu meter ever come out? |
| 20:45:44 | JasonNJ | for signal analysis? |
| 20:46:55 | whardier | vu meter app? |
| 20:47:03 | JasonNJ | yeah |
| 20:47:20 | whardier | heh |
| 20:47:25 | JasonNJ | wasnt someone working on some kinda of 802.11 signal strength proggie |
| 20:47:47 | kergoth | JasonNJ: matrix was working on it, but he hasnt been in here in a while, iirc |
| 20:47:55 | brett | JasonNJ: That's what I want to do. |
| 20:48:05 | kergoth | brb. |
| 20:48:22 | brett | It looks like the new wlan-ng version compiles just fine for arm, that supports the wireless extensions. |
| 20:48:46 | brett | So once that's going, it's just a matter of porting something. |
| 20:49:00 | whardier | heh |
| 20:49:19 | whardier | its supports the wireless ex |
| 20:49:26 | whardier | so I can use iwconfig! |
| 20:49:48 | brett | Yep. All of that compiles. I just need a wireless card to test it. |
| 20:50:01 | whardier | haha |
| 20:50:02 | whardier | gimme |
| 20:50:18 | whardier | anyhoot..brb.. I need to make food |
| 20:53:44 | kergoth | aha seeing kernel messages on the Z kicks ass |
| 20:54:11 | JasonNJ | ah we have a syslogd now? |
| 20:54:22 | kergoth | nope |
| 20:54:29 | kergoth | just a /dev/console that doenst redirect to tty2 |
| 20:54:33 | kergoth | so I see them as it boots |
| 20:54:41 | JasonNJ | ah. |
| 20:54:43 | JasonNJ | well that helps |
| 20:55:16 | kergoth | yup |
| 20:55:24 | kergoth | init: cannot mount root fs |
| 20:55:26 | kergoth | ouch |
| 20:55:27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:55:36 | brett | Does anyone know of a place that has wireless cards that work on the Z IN STOCK? I've got an order in for an smc card, but it's taking forever for them to get stocked. |
| 20:56:13 | JasonNJ | the linksys is all over the place |
| 20:56:22 | brett | Does that have a small antenna? |
| 20:56:31 | JasonNJ | no its big |
| 20:56:36 | JasonNJ | blocks the ports too |
| 20:56:41 | JasonNJ | as does the dlink |
| 20:56:47 | JasonNJ | er blocks the stylus |
| 20:57:10 | brett | Yeah, the smc one is pretty small. I think I'll just keep waiting on that. They're saying they'll have some in next week. |
| 20:57:15 | JasonNJ | I have the dlink, has good reception |
| 20:57:27 | JasonNJ | I also have the socket but it doest work yet |
| 20:57:34 | brett | Although, they also told me they'd have some in last week. bleh |
| 20:57:51 | brett | The socket looks sweet. I'm not holding my breath though. |
| 20:58:21 | JasonNJ | it will happen eventually |
| 20:58:27 | JasonNJ | bzflag is toying with the reference driver |
| 20:58:35 | JasonNJ | we should be able to get it working soon enough |
| 20:58:43 | JasonNJ | socket is getting us better specs |
| 20:59:26 | brett | JasonNJ: Any timeline? |
| 21:01:27 | JasonNJ | a few weeks probably |
| 21:01:57 | brett | Oh well. I think I'm gonna stick with the smc. It's got a small antenna and it's pretty cheap. |
| 21:02:07 | JasonNJ | considering sharp wants to sell socket's whole line of CF cards on sharpplace.com |
| 21:09:07 | whardier | brett.. the smc has a smaller antenna |
| 21:09:12 | whardier | now lets think about this |
| 21:09:28 | whardier | have you ever balanced a towel on your boner? |
| 21:09:37 | JasonNJ | uh, no. |
| 21:09:41 | whardier | the beger the boner.. the more towel |
| 21:09:42 | brett | Of course. |
| 21:09:45 | whardier | you get my drift |
| 21:09:51 | whardier | bigger |
| 21:09:52 | whardier | heh |
| 21:10:08 | brett | whardier: Yeah, but I don't want a huge antenna on the thing. |
| 21:10:15 | brett | Kind of kills the portability. |
| 21:10:17 | JasonNJ | man shane you have the most wack ways of explaining technical concepts. |
| 21:10:28 | whardier | the wcf-11 has about half the power of a regular pcmcia card |
| 21:10:32 | JasonNJ | dude lets give you a tv show for kids on saturday morning |
| 21:10:36 | JasonNJ | Whardier's World! |
| 21:10:43 | whardier | so if you got one that was smaller.. it will have a lot less |
| 21:10:43 | brett | hehe |
| 21:11:00 | whardier | hehe |
| 21:11:03 | whardier | thanks JasonNJ |
| 21:11:05 | whardier | I do try |
| 21:11:05 | JasonNJ | "hey kids, ever balance a towel on your boner? we'll, we're gonna demonstrate wirelesss networking using this principle!" |
| 21:11:25 | brett | ha |
| 21:11:35 | whardier | you will all have raghead boners by the end of the day |
| 21:11:40 | whardier | just you wait |
| 21:11:47 | whardier | curiosity will kill your sanity |
| 21:11:53 | JasonNJ | who would be get as a sidekick, a good looking chick and a guy in a rat suit? |
| 21:12:13 | whardier | how about a good looking chick in a rat suit |
| 21:12:17 | brett | whardier: Well, the smc card has got a (supposed) max rang of about 700 feet. Anything more than that, and I'd probably be setting up a ptp link with another base station. |
| 21:12:44 | whardier | Iwonder what the wcf-11 is ranged at |
| 21:13:26 | whardier | anYbody here ever set up bridging between twonics |
| 21:13:33 | whardier | I need to do that |
| 21:13:48 | whardier | but brctlkeeps saying that operation is stupid |
| 21:13:56 | whardier | and brcfg |
| 21:13:57 | brett | I really wish richochet hadn't have gone under. WOuld've been cool to setup a ricochet-802.11 gateway in my car with an access point in there. |
| 21:14:19 | whardier | haha |
| 21:14:39 | brett | I was looking into doing that with a sat uplink. And the funny thing is, it's possible and fairly cheap. |
| 21:15:01 | whardier | sat uplink in our car? |
| 21:15:04 | whardier | your |
| 21:15:05 | brett | Yeah. |
| 21:15:12 | whardier | hahaha |
| 21:15:14 | whardier | rule |
| 21:15:14 | brett | You'd need a view of the southern sky. |
| 21:15:28 | whardier | hehehe |
| 21:15:29 | whardier | that rules |
| 21:15:30 | brett | And some patients to adjust it when you parked, but other than that... |
| 21:15:40 | whardier | sounds goofy |
| 21:15:47 | whardier | I am running off of a 20foot dish ATM |
| 21:15:54 | whardier | where I am |
| 21:16:05 | brett | Makes sense, you're on some sort of island right? |
| 21:16:08 | whardier | its providing the town cable internet service |
| 21:16:21 | whardier | where they gave everybody 9.45mbps download speeds |
| 21:16:29 | whardier | soIam setting up QoS |
| 21:16:40 | whardier | because they only bought a download speed of 256kpbs fromthesat |
| 21:16:47 | whardier | and 256 up |
| 21:17:10 | brett | The sat isn't limiting their speed? |
| 21:17:19 | whardier | uhm |
| 21:17:30 | whardier | take 120customers |
| 21:17:37 | whardier | let them all eat cake |
| 21:17:43 | whardier | pretty soon you run out of cake |
| 21:17:46 | brett | No no, what was up with the 9.45 number? |
| 21:17:49 | whardier | and you need to get more cake |
| 21:17:53 | whardier | but the chef died |
| 21:18:09 | whardier | they have 9.45mbps downstreams into their houses |
| 21:18:14 | whardier | from the gateway pretty much |
| 21:18:19 | brett | Ahh, ok got you. |
| 21:18:41 | brett | So you just going to setup a linux box as the gateway to do some traffic shaping? |
| 21:18:49 | whardier | sorta |
| 21:18:57 | whardier | I don't wanna go out to everybodies house and reset their home machines |
| 21:19:03 | whardier | because everybody isusing static |
| 21:19:09 | whardier | instead of dhcp |
| 21:19:26 | whardier | soI am gonna run the CMTS (the cablemodem tranciever) thru a bridge first |
| 21:19:31 | whardier | with ethernet frame diverting and QoS |
| 21:19:40 | whardier | so Ican run all of it transparently thru a proxy |
| 21:19:52 | tux_mike | gah... anyone know how to delete a module in CVS? |
| 21:19:53 | whardier | and schedule bandwidthtimes forpeople so that it does not interferece with business |
| 21:20:04 | brett | nice. |
| 21:20:05 | whardier | tux_mike : call up the cvs provider.. and cry |
| 21:20:06 | kergoth | tux_mike: remove its entry from the modules file in CVSROOT |
| 21:20:21 | kergoth | tux_mike: then remove all the files in that dir one by one |
| 21:20:28 | whardier | eww |
| 21:20:32 | kergoth | tux_mike: you cant delete directories in a cvs repository without local access to the repository |
| 21:20:36 | brett | Get local access to the repository and use rm. :) |
| 21:20:42 | whardier | haha |
| 21:20:55 | whardier | sourceforge needs to allow shell access the the cvs servers |
| 21:20:56 | whardier | hehe |
| 21:20:59 | brett | cvs is such a pain in the ass without local access for just that reason. |
| 21:21:01 | tux_mike | you have to do all that to delet a module? gah. its on SF, i don't think i'd be able to do that |
| 21:21:09 | kergoth | tux_mike: for i in `find ./ -type f|grep -v CVS`; do rm -f $i; cvs delete $i; done; |
| 21:21:21 | kergoth | tux_mike: and use cvs co -P from now on, as -P will prevent downloading of empty directories |
| 21:21:23 | kergoth | tux_mike: heh |
| 21:21:24 | whardier | bada bing bada bang |
| 21:21:25 | whardier | well |
| 21:21:31 | whardier | I gotta go stew up some macaroni |
| 21:21:32 | whardier | brb |
| 21:21:48 | BZFlag | just do a cvs up -PdA and the empty directories will be removed. |
| 21:21:48 | kergoth | its amusing how many SF support requests are just cvs cleanup requests |
| 21:22:09 | brett | I wish someone would come up with a nice replacement for cvs. |
| 21:22:18 | tux_mike | kergoth: well, the import i did put it into 2 directories, the module, then the module name... i don't like it, and i'd like to reorganize it |
| 21:22:20 | kergoth | BZFlag: or that :-) |
| 21:22:32 | BZFlag | brett: see subversion |
| 21:22:50 | brett | BZFlag: Checking it out right now. |
| 21:23:07 | kergoth | BZFlag: I'm about to mkfs.jffs2 that root built by our buildsystem and bin/mkimg it into a romimage and test. wish me luck :-) |
| 21:23:20 | BZFlag | http://subversion.tigris.org/ |
| 21:24:26 | brett | "Subversion will handle directory changes, file renames, and permission and other meta-data changes as well." |
| 21:24:31 | JasonNJ | prays |
| 21:24:32 | tux_mike | gah. forget it, i'm not using cvs |
| 21:24:33 | brett | oh yeah |
| 21:24:47 | kergoth | tux_mike: send sf a support request to wipe your repository |
| 21:24:49 | kergoth | tux_mike: :-) |
| 21:25:05 | tux_mike | all this cvs crap is confusing |
| 21:25:11 | brett | Man it must be boring being a sf admin. :) |
| 21:25:12 | sjohnson | crosses his finger, toes, arms and eyballs. |
| 21:25:13 | kergoth | tux_mike: read 'info cvs' |
| 21:25:32 | kergoth | sjohnson: good luck. what are you crossing things for again? ehhe |
| 21:25:37 | BZFlag | kergoth: good luck! |
| 21:25:56 | kergoth | :q! |
| 21:25:59 | kergoth | er wrong window |
| 21:26:00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:26:04 | sjohnson | kergoth: For your jffs2 attempt. |
| 21:26:10 | kergoth | sjohnson: oh thanks :-) |
| 21:26:12 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:26:38 | sjohnson | me want jffs2. me want jffs2. me want jffs2. me want jffs2. me want jffs2. me want jffs2. me want jffs2. me want jffs2. |
| 21:26:45 | kergoth | swipes mtd.mk from buildroot-tux to compile mkfs.jffs2 |
| 21:27:26 | sjohnson | kergoth: what kernel version are your using still 2.4.6-...? |
| 21:29:18 | brett | Now there's a point... Any reason why we shouldn't upgrade the OZ kernel? |
| 21:30:11 | BZFlag | sjohnson: yes. one thing at a time. |
| 21:30:41 | brett | yeah, there's that... |
| 21:31:48 | sjohnson | BZFlag: What? You're not upgrading everything at the same time? |
| 21:32:52 | BZFlag | sjohnson: not yet, no. wait till the current one works for 10 minutes or so, then I'll break it all. |
| 21:33:30 | BZFlag | votes again for ibot on #zaurus ... ;-) |
| 21:33:43 | | 4 |
| 21:33:43 | BZFlag | ibot: 2+2? |
| 21:33:54 | BZFlag | hey, tangent added him here? |
| 21:34:02 | | rumour has it 1+1 is 3 for large values of 1 |
| 21:34:02 | BZFlag | ibot: 1+1? |
| 21:34:08 | kergoth | BZFlag: yup |
| 21:34:14 | BZFlag | sweet. |
| 21:34:27 | sjohnson | BZFlag: I for my smiley. I was just teasing. :) |
| 21:34:43 | BZFlag | sjohnson: so was I. ;-) |
| 21:36:23 | JasonNJ | 1+1+1 is three, Got to be good-looking 'cause he's so hard to see |
| 21:38:33 | kergoth | BZFlag: did you see how I handle dependencies in the gnu template? |
| 21:43:27 | | palm is in trouble: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-5965599.html?tag=tp_pr |
| 21:43:27 | JasonNJ | ibot: palm |
| 21:43:42 | | well, qtopia is the new name for QPE and it is at qpe.sourceforge.net |
| 21:43:42 | JasonNJ | ibot: qtopia |
| 21:44:01 | | it has been said that jffs2 is at http://sources.redhat.com/jffs2/ |
| 21:44:01 | JasonNJ | ibot: jffs2 |
| 21:45:11 | mandrake | okay I have some questions about qpe / qtopia now. |
| 21:45:19 | kergoth | msmax[test]: hey max or shawn. hehe. |
| 21:45:38 | brett | whardier, if you're around, I'm making ipkgs of this stuff for you to test. |
| 21:45:57 | msmax[test] | shawn here |
| 21:46:00 | mandrake | because I don't have a decent zaurus to test on I've put bipolar's feed on my ipaq |
| 21:46:02 | mandrake | or one of them |
| 21:46:08 | bipolar | JasonNJ: Opie's bugzilla is up now at handhelds.org/bugzilla |
| 21:46:16 | mandrake | so I had some interesting errors when I tried to run an application off my compact flash card, I'll give them in a moment |
| 21:46:21 | mandrake | (need to boot my laptop back up) |
| 21:46:37 | bipolar | JasonNJ: I'll get it's own wiki tomorrow. |
| 21:46:48 | msmax[test] | max was up for about 40 hours straight helping package hancom for lwe |
| 21:46:58 | kergoth | msmax[test]: damn... |
| 21:47:09 | msmax[test] | looks like i will be at lwe now if anyone wants to meet me |
| 21:47:16 | | i guess ipkg is the Itsy Package Management System used by Familiar: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG or find the source in the handhelds.org CVS http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg/ |
| 21:47:16 | brett | ibot: ipkg |
| 21:47:17 | BZFlag | kergoth: no, which file should I look at? |
| 21:47:36 | bipolar_away | is away: going away.... |
| 21:47:43 | kergoth | BZFlag: configs/templates/gnu .. look for anything referencing 'Depends'. |
| 21:48:34 | kergoth | BZFlag: I add $(Depends) as a prerequisite for the compilation target.. then I create a $(Depends) target that simply does a $(MAKE) -f $(CONFIG_DIR)/$@.mk. |
| 21:48:46 | kergoth | BZFlag: then of course I define Depends at the top of the .mk |
| 21:50:17 | kergoth | woot. mtd.mk works, and depends on 'linux' |
| 21:50:35 | kendrick2 | http://people.redhat.com/zaitcev/Solaris_DD/C++.interview |
| 21:50:46 | mandrake | so... |
| 21:50:59 | mandrake | when I try to execute an application off my compact flash card |
| 21:51:05 | mandrake | I get this error message: |
| 21:51:21 | mandrake | 'Failed to obtain file lock on /tmp/qcop-msg-/mnt/cf/kutabi/kutabi' |
| 21:51:40 | mandrake | 'QCopChannel: no client registered for channel QPE/Application//mnt/cf/kutabi/kutabi' |
| 21:51:45 | mandrake | what does this mean? |
| 21:51:57 | mandrake | my app (and the desktop file associated iwth it) work fine under the emulator |
| 21:52:03 | mandrake | the app ALSO works fine when run from the commandline |
| 21:52:46 | mandrake | any ideas? |
| 21:53:10 | didando | <mandrake>Hi...i see you use an emulator ... is that for the Zaurus? |
| 21:53:13 | BZFlag | likes typing "make <package>" |
| 21:53:28 | mandrake | also, is there a way to have an Applications folder on the compact flash card that will automatically get read when you mount it? (adding apps the way documents get automatically added) |
| 21:53:43 | BZFlag | kergoth: I'm thinking that all configs should be in config, none in disabled. |
| 21:53:47 | mandrake | didando: yes, though I'm doing these tests on my ipaq |
| 21:53:59 | BZFlag | kergoth:and the initial make target determines which ones build. |
| 21:54:04 | kergoth | BZFlag: thats a good idea |
| 21:54:10 | didando | Where can I get the emu? |
| 21:54:17 | kergoth | BZFlag: ie make openzaurus builds the appropropriate packages for OZ |
| 21:54:18 | mandrake | didando: from TT/Sharp. |
| 21:54:32 | didando | cool ... thanks |
| 21:54:58 | kergoth | BZFlag: the default make target could list the available .mks in configs/ |
| 22:00:20 | mandrake | can anyone answer my question? |
| 22:00:23 | mandrake | (s) |
| 22:00:41 | tux_mike | maybe |
| 22:02:24 | mandrake | also |
| 22:02:33 | mandrake | usb networking never wants to work once the ipaq has gone to sleep |
| 22:02:38 | mandrake | mischannel |
| 22:02:40 | mandrake | heh |
| 22:03:12 | tux_mike | hrm... that's something with the ipaq, i wouldn't know. i don't use it, this isn't really the best place to ask about it |
| 22:03:22 | mandrake | I know that was a misfire :) |
| 22:04:00 | BZFlag | kergoth: yes, then I can add a "make tuxscreen" as well. ;-) |
| 22:05:38 | brett | Man. I haven't shaved in 2 weeks. I'm looking haggard. |
| 22:05:48 | brett | fyi |
| 22:07:34 | mandrake | tux_mike: however the app launching off the CF card problem I still need to solve. |
| 22:08:16 | tux_mike | what is that? |
| 22:08:42 | mandrake | tux_mike: scrollback to the two error messages I get. |
| 22:09:51 | tux_mike | i don't know, i'm not familliar with qcop |
| 22:15:14 | brett | where can I grab the ipkg build script? |
| 22:15:15 | whardier | brett: the wf11 says 1500 feet |
| 22:15:20 | whardier | wcf-11 |
| 22:15:22 | whardier | the linksys one |
| 22:15:39 | brett | whardier: Nice. I'd rather sacrifice the range for portability though. |
| 22:15:54 | whardier | its the truth.. howeeeeeeever I needed a 500mw amp on one end to do that :) |
| 22:16:04 | brett | whardier: I'm going to build you some ipks to test this stuff. |
| 22:16:30 | whardier | spiff mobiscum |
| 22:28:37 | EY | mandrake: how's the qt learning going? |
| 22:29:28 | brett | To build an ipk, can I just create the dir structure, with the CONTROL dir and files, tar.gz it and rename it bla.ipk? |
| 22:29:36 | brett | Or is there more to it than that? |
| 22:30:21 | kergoth | brett: create the dir with CONTROL dir within it and CONTROL/control file, and run ipkg-build [dirname] |
| 22:30:29 | whardier | welcome to Zaurus mandrake |
| 22:30:38 | whardier | we are using E at the school I set up here :) |
| 22:31:15 | brett | kergoth: I've got the structure setup, just no ipkg-build. I'm downloading the sdk now to get the script, but I was wondering if I needed to use it. |
| 22:31:47 | kergoth | brett: I wouldnt use the mkipks script from the sdk.. i always have probs with it. I recommend using ipkg-build from dist/util in the familiar module on the handhelds.org cvs |
| 22:31:58 | brett | kergoth: Will do. |
| 22:32:45 | kergoth | wtf |
| 22:32:53 | kergoth | my initrd.bin from mkfs.jffs2 is 26 megs |
| 22:34:21 | kergoth | grr |
| 22:34:36 | kergoth | aha root/ is 65 megs. wtf |
| 22:36:55 | tux_mike | ok...i'm about to give up! |
| 22:37:09 | kergoth | tux_mike: having problems? |
| 22:38:00 | tux_mike | yah, i can't figure out why my code isn't working. everything looks right |
| 22:39:00 | mandrake | EY: it's going okay |
| 22:39:18 | mandrake | EY: I've got my app running on the zaurus, the ipaq, Qt/X, qpe emulator on my desktop... just a lot of work |
| 22:39:40 | mandrake | incidentally you cannot give an absolute path in your application's .desktop file, you have to make a damned symlink for it to work |
| 22:40:18 | mandrake | what I want to know is... is there a way I can make an Applications directory on a compact flash card that automatically gets run whenever you mount the disk? |
| 22:41:16 | didando | mandrake: I'm sure this is a dumb question, but I've been looking everywhere for TT/Sharp |
| 22:41:30 | didando | What is it ? |
| 22:41:33 | mandrake | TT is Trolltech |
| 22:41:35 | mandrake | Sharp is Sharp |
| 22:41:40 | didando | ;) |
| 22:41:44 | mandrake | I got mine from the zaurus application competition |
| 22:42:49 | kergoth | didando: there's no zaurus 'emulator' persay.. there's qpe built for x86 running in a qtvfb (virtual framebuffer). if you get the SDK from trolltech for the contest, its included. Otherwise, you'll need to build qpe for x86 and ensure that you have qtvfb installed. |
| 22:43:17 | didando | Is that somewhere in the Developer area? |
| 22:43:17 | didando | Downloadable? |
| 22:43:28 | kergoth | didando: http://contest.trolltech.com/ |
| 22:45:01 | didando | Oh ... thanks |
| 22:45:12 | kergoth | np |
| 22:56:53 | brett | What I wouldn't give for a writable /sbin. |
| 22:57:53 | kergoth | brett: jffs2 + writable mtd device is coming. :-) |
| 22:58:00 | brett | I know. I can't wait. :) |
| 22:58:21 | brett | kergoth: How's it coming along? |
| 22:59:14 | mandrake | now all I need is my own zaurus. |
| 22:59:23 | kergoth | well I'm about to test a romimage.. tried to mkfs.jffs2 and realized that my glibc build was installing static librarys, not shared. |
| 22:59:24 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:59:25 | mandrake | this just means sharp needs to give me some :) |
| 22:59:41 | mandrake | I really need at least 2 for development |
| 22:59:48 | mandrake | (I have 2 ipaqs, too) |
| 23:02:31 | kergoth | BZFlag: the glibc build is compiling both shared and static libraries on mine.. you seeing that behavior as well with the glibc.mk in the buildsystem? |
| 23:10:36 | kergoth | shit. |
| 23:10:48 | brett | That's not what I like to hear. |
| 23:10:52 | kergoth | BZFlag: kernel pani: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 1f:00 |
| 23:10:55 | kergoth | s/pani/panic/ |
| 23:11:21 | kergoth | BZFlag: built a mkfs.jffs2 using a device_table from tux but setup to make 5 mtd & mtdblock devices |
| 23:11:47 | brett | The kernel knows about jffs2 right? |
| 23:12:04 | kergoth | brett: yep |
| 23:12:24 | kergoth | CONFIG_JFFS2_FS=y |
| 23:12:25 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:12:27 | kergoth | grr |
| 23:12:44 | kergoth | BZFlag: should I change the root= param on the kernel build line to /dev/mtdblock4, or leave it at 0? |
| 23:14:33 | mlp_real | hello all |
| 23:15:30 | | mlp was last seen on #zaurus 4 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [Thu Jan 24 23:10:51 2002] |
| 23:15:30 | mlp_real | ibot: seen mlp |
| 23:15:53 | mlp_real | who was chatting with mlp ? |
| 23:16:17 | sjohnson | Better yet, how did ibot know about it? |
| 23:16:57 | kergoth | i love deb-make |
| 23:17:02 | mlp_real | sjohnson: somebody is using my nick name |
| 23:17:30 | mlp_real | i was in handhelds and somebody login with my nick name |
| 23:17:52 | mlp_real | and was chatting in #zaurus |
| 23:17:58 | sjohnson | mlp_real: You can reserve your nick name with nickserv. |
| 23:18:05 | mlp_real | how ? |
| 23:18:50 | kergoth | mlp_real: /msg nickserv help |
| 23:19:27 | mlp | heh |
| 23:19:39 | sjohnson | mlp_real: /msg nickserv help |
| 23:19:41 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:20:21 | sjohnson | You can do an autokick if someone comes in as your nick without logging into nickserv. |
| 23:20:22 | mlp_real | thanks |
| 23:24:26 | BZFlag | kergoth: 4 |
| 23:24:30 | kergoth | BZFlag: k |
| 23:25:36 | kergoth | BZFlag: I love seeing kernel messages on the Z. |
| 23:25:37 | kergoth | BZFlag: hehe. |
| 23:26:25 | BZFlag | heh, fun huh? |
| 23:26:36 | kergoth | BZFlag: very. I feel like I'm not blind anymore |
| 23:26:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:28:25 | brett | kergoth: When jffs2 is working, the .rom dirs will be gone correct? |
| 23:28:31 | kergoth | brett: correct |
| 23:28:38 | kergoth | brett: no more symlink hell. |
| 23:30:09 | kergoth | brett: we may get rid of mtdram altogether (/home fs). though that'll reduce our space, we'll have enough ram to work with finally. |
| 23:30:32 | brett | Cool deal |
| 23:30:58 | kergoth | brett: course we'll have a mtdram in the ver for the 5500, since ram will be less a concern |
| 23:31:10 | BZFlag | kergoth: how are you getting a jffs2 root? |
| 23:31:32 | kergoth | grumbles about another bug in the buildsystem |
| 23:31:54 | kergoth | BZFlag: just mkfs.jffs2'ing the root/ from the buildsystem (after clearing out glibc's static libraries |
| 23:32:50 | BZFlag | mid.img? |
| 23:32:53 | kergoth | BZFlag: course i'm building busybox first so I have a /sbin/init |
| 23:33:13 | kergoth | BZFlag: yeah mid.img is just a ver of initrd.bin w/ 0xff padding to the correct size for insertion into a romimage |
| 23:33:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:34:27 | BZFlag | where did beg.img and kern.img come from? |
| 23:34:52 | kergoth | BZFlag: beg.img is the bootloader, angel monitor, etc from the 1.02 romimage |
| 23:35:03 | kergoth | BZFlag: kern.img isnt used.. a new one is created by padding zImage w/ 0xff's |
| 23:35:04 | BZFlag | and where is initrd.bin? |
| 23:35:46 | BZFlag | I'd prefer to just flash kernel and initrd, NOT reflash the bootloader stuff which I think is dangerous. |
| 23:36:01 | BZFlag | then you dod not need to pad anything. |
| 23:36:13 | kergoth | BZFlag: yeah I was planning on switching to a zImage + initrd rather than a romimage release soon |
| 23:36:35 | JasonNJ | kergoth: ever get that ROM to boot? |
| 23:36:45 | kergoth | BZFlag: primarily because with having to release a second version of OZ for the 5500 would be a matter of downloading the other zImage, rather than downloading an entire romimage twice |
| 23:36:49 | kergoth | JasonNJ: working on it |
| 23:36:53 | JasonNJ | kergoth lets stop with the romimage |
| 23:37:01 | JasonNJ | and do the zimage + initrd |
| 23:37:08 | JasonNJ | so we can support the 5500 |
| 23:37:22 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yes, thats what we're dicussing. tim agrees, though for a different reason :-) |
| 23:38:01 | BZFlag | I nuked beg.img from cvs. it's non-free and so should be extracted from a romimage. |
| 23:38:16 | BZFlag | so where is the initrd.bin that got built? |
| 23:38:19 | whardier | hmm |
| 23:38:42 | whardier | xfree86 4.0 has support for the rage 128 TF cards now.. however it needs a kernel module that does not exist yet :( |
| 23:38:45 | kergoth | doh! $(DL_DIR) and $(BUILD_DIR) should have been prerequisites of the rule for the packages, not for all:.. a 'make [packagename]' wasnt resulting in creation of $(BUILD_DIR) or $(DL_DIR) |
| 23:38:46 | whardier | err 4.2 |
| 23:38:55 | kergoth | BZFlag: i didnt check in the initrd.bin |
| 23:39:10 | BZFlag | don't/ |
| 23:39:15 | kergoth | i wont |
| 23:39:22 | BZFlag | I'm expecting the buildroot to create one. does it? |
| 23:40:33 | BZFlag | that's what I'm sitting here waiting for to test the kernel. |
| 23:41:25 | kergoth | that'd be pointless |
| 23:41:25 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:41:44 | kergoth | BZFlag: working on it. found a few quirks. |
| 23:42:00 | kergoth | BZFlag: why does the glibc build create both static & shared libraries? the root/ ends up being 65 megs. heh |
| 23:44:11 | brett | Well, I've got ipks of the newest pcmcia-cs, wireless-tools, and wlan-ng. Too bad I can't install them on the ro fs... |
| 23:44:25 | kergoth | brett: patience! :-) |
| 23:44:37 | brett | It SURE would be nice if I could test them. |
| 23:44:42 | brett | taps his foot. |
| 23:44:44 | brett | :) |
| 23:48:02 | brett | eep |
| 23:50:17 | BZFlag | tries to make the kernel depends smarter... |
| 23:54:39 | kergoth | damn splits |
| 23:54:48 | whardier | heh |
| 23:55:04 | brett | yeah |
| 23:55:23 | kergoth | hrm whered bz go? |
| 23:55:35 | kergoth | BZFlag: cvs up -PdA; make openzaurus; |
| 23:55:58 | kergoth | BZFlag: havent verified that it works.. working on it now.. (its building the kernel atm) |
| 23:57:02 | kergoth | k im goin home |
| 23:57:31 | tux_mike | altered: you there? |
