IRC log for #wowwiki on 20101006

00:01.22Sky2042hehehehe
00:07.19g0urrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Language_links
00:07.24g0urraway to go, whoever broke it
00:07.26g0urragrumbles
00:15.04Sky2042grumbles about people who can't figure out when to redirect a page.
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00:23.24kd3hm... another few hours until everyone (logged in) gets the option to see the new skin
00:23.24kd3ponders
00:24.08Sky2042Assuming it's rolled out at 12 est...
00:24.41kd3egah
00:25.39g0urra'night
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01:55.34Sky2042Hahahahaha, so true for Wikia.
01:55.53Sky2042From https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/quips.cgi?action=show , "If it ain't broke, it needs more features."
01:57.39Sky2042Or this one, just for Wikia: Please include your latitude, longitude, and elevation in your bug report, so we know where to target the ICBM.
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02:45.36pcjDrazisil: i tried to edit the community corner, it didn't tell you?
02:46.11Ressyno one sees community corner.
02:46.32Ressyits halfway down MyHome, which ppl can just click a button to stop using
02:46.46pcjyeah but on the new skin that's supposed to be the way sitenotices are replaced
02:47.01pcjso if it doesn't work and you can't use sitenotices...
02:47.04pcjfuck that
02:47.13Ressywikia doesn't care.
02:47.40Ressyits just getting stupid..
02:49.34pcjyeah its seriously looking more and more like they actually want to lose people
02:49.42pcjeither that or their thinking is so backwards...
03:07.57Ressyhow is this going to affect the interwikis for other languages?
03:08.15Sky2042If they come with us, no problem.
03:08.25Sky2042If they don't, the interwikis break.
03:09.55Sky2042We could probably ask Curse to set up and import the other wikis.
03:10.17Sky2042For example, anyway.
03:10.31pcjyeah thats what i was thinking
03:10.47pcjanyway we can set up our wiki to link to theirs no problem if they do stay on wikia
03:10.51pcjits the other way around thats a problem
03:11.01Sky2042indeed.
03:11.02pcjwikia hates interwiki linking to outside wikis
03:11.14pcjespecially since wowwiki will still technically be on wikia
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03:30.07Sky2042Uh oh.
03:30.26pcj?
03:31.53Sky2042bladekitty joined...
03:32.46Sky2042And is apparently muted.
03:33.13pcjah
03:33.16pcjhe needs to identify
03:33.38pcj/msg nickserv help identify
03:33.51Sky2042pcj: I think he knows the process. He's prolly just too lazy to do it. :)
03:33.57pcjok just making sure
03:41.07DrazisilI've never seen it.
03:41.34Drazisilpcj:I heard it was the new thing, but I'm not even sure what it looks like.
03:41.59pcjits that thing on Special:MyHome / Special:WikiActivity where admins can leave a message
03:42.26DrazisilAh, I only use contant pages and special watchlist
03:42.37DrazisilLet me go look at wikiactivity
03:42.44Ressysee?  Everyone hits the button to redirect from MyHome.
03:42.47pcjyeah well the point of oasis removing sitenotice is that it was replaced by a notice that tells you that message was changed
03:43.00pcjressy: oh man you totally proved me wrong i'm so shocked
03:43.03pcjoh wait
03:43.09Ressy:P
03:43.19pcjpats Ressy
03:43.38DrazisilOh, it's 'below the fold' so I never saw it.
03:43.43pcjlol
03:44.22DrazisilRegarding hosting...do we have any clue what kind of space we are using?
03:44.41pcjwell the database itself is like 2.6GB
03:44.47pcjadding images is another 30GB or so
03:44.58Sky2042lol
03:45.04pcjof course room for growth...
03:45.30Ressycoughs
03:45.33DrazisilHm, let me do some quick math
03:45.37Ressyroom for growth? http://media.curse.com/CommunityServer.Components.SiteFiles/127284/News/CurseAtlantaDataCenter.png
03:45.43pcjlol
03:46.17Drazisiland bandwidth usage? Do we have those numbers?
03:46.36pcjits all calculated very broadly on that forum post
03:46.44pcji think foxlit had the right numbers
03:46.56DrazisilThat requires me to go back and read it!
03:47.00Drazisilgoes
03:47.02pcjmaybe around 2 TB/day with a very liberal estimate
03:47.24pcj10 TB/month with a more conservative estimate
03:47.35Sky2042just ctrl f for foxlit
03:47.39pcjassuming traffic patterns stay at 2 mil
03:48.01Sky2042I don't think those will get much larger. We'll see spikes come patch times, though, which could be problematic.
03:48.12pcjwell 2 mil is the high mark after a move obviously
03:48.15pcjthat was the point
03:48.20Sky2042Ah.
03:48.22pcjit will be lower
03:48.31pcjand hopefully get back there soon :)
03:48.39DrazisilI'm asking my host what they think.
03:49.06Sky2042Definitely to begin with.
03:49.22DrazisilPROBABLY will suggest dedicated...but I think we might be able to get by with shard
03:49.23pcjremember that all those are basically educated guesses given known traffic numbers and estimate at page sizes
03:49.38Sky2042Drazisil: Still, it's expensive.
03:49.40Sky2042Heh.
03:49.49DrazisilNow for shared
03:49.52Drazisilnot*
03:51.07DrazisilIt all depends on the host
03:53.44DrazisilI wonder if co-lo might work.
03:54.30pcjlol
03:55.36Drazisilouch...forgot how much co-lo is
03:55.36pcjdamn some of these people have been busy
03:55.40pcj402 visited pages
03:55.47pcjin the last hour
03:59.47RessyI've been looking around, checking which cvar pages need updating.
04:00.20pcjyou're not even on the list :\
04:00.27Ressylol
04:00.41pcjits limited to 100 users though so :|
04:00.56pcjah refresh and there you are :P
04:01.03pcjmust be a random 100
04:05.12Sky2042You do have to wonder how Wikimedia makes Commons work...
04:05.30pcjvery carefully
04:05.38Sky2042Probably the truth.
04:05.49pcjits probably why they're a lot stricter about licensing
04:05.56Sky2042Nah.
04:06.23Sky2042Part of WM's goal is to distribute free material. Commons therefore only accepts free material.
04:06.30pcjah
04:06.32DrazisilBah. I'm too tired to think of how would be a good host.
04:06.33Sky2042The individual wikis have different free use policies.
04:06.40pcjnp Drazisil thanks
04:06.42Sky2042Er, fair use.
04:06.48pcji didn't know that, i'm not a big uploader :P
04:07.10Sky2042Well, *in Bill Nye voice* NOW YOU KNOW THAT!
04:07.17pcjbill nye rocks
04:07.25Drazisiltechniciall, as long as we didn't go over 25%cpu usage we'd be fine on mine, but I suspect we'd exceed that
04:07.33pcjespecially with SMW
04:07.39Sky2042Definitely with SMW.
04:08.04DrazisilI'll still offer myself as a tech admin :)
04:08.24Sky2042That will be helpful, likely.
04:08.29DrazisilIt stinks that we didn't get SMW working, that seemed awesome
04:08.31Sky2042Either way we end up.
04:08.32pcjwe would have a pretty nice tech team if we go independent :P
04:08.36pcjSMW is working :P
04:08.45pcjjust not on Oasis
04:09.05DrazisilAh...that's why I didn't notice it get turned back on.
04:09.08pcjyeah
04:09.21pcjanyway we had a guy from Harvard who works at Apple offer to help with our server stuff
04:09.30pcjso...yeah
04:09.31Drazisilnice
04:09.41Sky2042I can't delete the Friends group on gmail.
04:09.44Sky2042sighs.
04:09.53pcjpoor sky doesn't have any friends
04:10.00Sky2042:D
04:15.41DrazisilI like the language subdomain idea
04:15.56Ressynods
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04:16.20Drazisilwarcraftwiki.org might work for a domain.
04:17.13DrazisilSince we do cover more then just wow
04:18.14Sky2042I think we might be able to snatch warcraftwiki.com in a year.
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04:18.41bladekittyI forget
04:18.45bladekittydoes skyfire have OP here?
04:18.49Sky2042Yes.
04:19.07bladekittyhuh
04:19.10Sky2042I like to deop due to the guidelines. And to catch unsuspecting travelers. ;)
04:19.21bladekittylicks Sky2042 anyways
04:19.27bladekittytastes like burning
04:19.39Sky2042I'm on a crusade. Drp.
04:21.43pcjhaha that ep of the guild was pretty sweet
04:21.47Sky2042Guh, GMail isn't getting it's email through.
04:21.52Sky2042kicks his servers.
04:22.03pcjdon't be silly, its just that no one's sending you e-mail
04:22.16Sky2042Hahahahaha, never mind.
04:22.30Sky2042I redirected my email to gmail, so my emails ended up in my inbox... :3
04:22.34Sky2042Er, confirmation emails.
04:22.40pcjnerd
04:23.01Sky2042My school makes it uber easy.
04:23.43pcjhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/10/05/intels-25nm-solid-state-drives-boast-huge-capacity-improved-re/
04:23.44pcjnice
04:24.33bladekittypcj's going to make a house out of SSDs
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04:30.06Sky2042Drazisil: Are you Becher?
04:31.01DrazisilYes. :)
04:31.13Sky2042A pity that warcraftwiki.net was snatched up 2 months ago.
04:31.18Sky2042Drazisil: Oh, goodie.
04:31.34DrazisilI figured I'd grab it just because....it redirect towowwiki for now
04:31.44DrazisilTry it :)
04:32.11Sky2042Clever, though I'm not sure if Wikia likes that or not.
04:32.21pcjlikes what
04:32.33DrazisilI can leave it blank if you want
04:32.36Sky2042Likes being redirected to.
04:32.42pcjthey don't mind
04:32.43pcjat all
04:32.46pcjmore traffic
04:32.47Sky2042hehehehe.
04:32.48pcjwhy would they mind
04:32.57Sky2042You never know what could send them over the edge. ;)
04:32.58DrazisilIt's still their ads
04:33.12Sky2042Remember, this is the company forcing oasis down our throats. ;)
04:33.31pcj*shrug*
04:33.39DrazisilYour call...I can leave it blank...and now you know everything about how to reach me lol
04:33.45Sky2042hahaha.
04:34.02Sky2042Don't worry about it. Though this channel is publicly logged, heh.
04:34.26pcjbut if you get a lot of junkmail in your mailbox it was gourra
04:34.39Sky2042^
04:34.43DrazisilIt's gmail...I can deal ;)
04:34.50pcji didn't say e-mail
04:34.55Sky2042lol
04:35.05DrazisilEh, we don't check that anyway.
04:35.11pcjlol
04:35.22Sky2042lol
04:35.40Sky2042Facebook r ded.
04:35.45Sky2042For second time in like a week.
04:35.58Drazisilagain?
04:36.01pcjits because of the movie
04:36.08Sky2042sighs at pcj.
04:36.15Drazisilawesome
04:36.27Drazisilthat's probably true
04:39.11Drazisilwow, this is the first time I've seen the main page in a while...that ad and the whitespace around it is just wrong
04:39.29pcjfirst time on wikia in awhile?
04:39.32Drazisiland thet top menu taking over half the page when hovered
04:39.55DrazisilNo, I jump to either the diff from my email, or the weatchlist
04:40.00pcjlol
04:40.11Sky2042I jump to recentchanges, as it were.
04:40.30pcjif i got e-mails for every change to my watchlist wikia wouldn't be able to keep up
04:40.31DrazisilThat is the watchlist I think
04:40.37pcjrecent changes is every change
04:40.42bladesleepgood night sky2042620802
04:40.44pcjwatchlist is only pages you've watched
04:40.54Sky2042is amazed he wasn't pinged by bladesleep.
04:41.17Sky2042pcj: We should delete all those watchlist mediawikispace related edits you made about a week or 2 ago.
04:41.23Drazisilah...I named my recent changes lol
04:41.25Sky2042Oh wait, never mind.
04:41.36Sky2042keeps forgetting that the db isn't moving in all likelihood.
04:41.40Drazisilanyway, no ad there
04:42.00pcjnot yet
04:42.06Drazisilno special:expert db?
04:42.11Drazisilexport
04:42.12pcjthats just pages
04:42.14Drazisilboo!
04:42.31kd3I sent in a request for an imagedump... who knows if it'll be fielded
04:43.05pcji'm sure they'll get right on bundling up those 40k+ images for us
04:43.18DrazisilSomeone could always run a crawler against the file:namespace
04:43.27Sky2042Someone could.
04:43.28pcjthats probably what will end up happening
04:43.43pcjof course the problem is wikia always serves the wrong images
04:43.44pcj:P
04:43.45Sky2042sighs.
04:43.48Sky2042lol
04:43.51pcjprobably not a bug
04:43.54pcjthey did it on purpose
04:43.58DrazisilI thought that was 'fixed'
04:44.04pcjnot totally
04:44.21Drazisilor was it 'by design', 'working as intended'?
04:44.29RessyI was experiecing it earlier. again
04:44.34Ressydespite being told "its been fixed"
04:50.50pcjindeed
04:51.00pcjthey're too busy implementing their new skin
04:51.36Sky2042Mikk isn't on the admin list.
04:51.40pcjooh http://xkcd.com/802_large/
04:52.05kd3I saw wikia listed, incredibly
04:52.38Drazisilthat's fairly awesome
04:52.42Drazisiland large lol
04:52.49kd3if you've got his address, add him to it. I said in my OP I knew I was missing a few, unfortunately
04:53.06Sky2042I'll email him.
04:54.18Sky2042Which is weird, because I could swear we had him on the old list.
04:54.20pcjxkcd is dangerously close to wikia
04:54.23Sky2042sighs.
04:57.27Sky2042isn't seeing xkcd nor wikia.
04:57.43kd3near the enwp talk pages bit
04:57.56pcjoff the shores of aim
04:58.04Sky2042Ah, found it.
04:59.01DrazisilI just did as well
04:59.12DrazisilIRC is right next to it :)
04:59.32DrazisilNo, that's ICQ...people still use that?
04:59.46kd341426852
04:59.51kd3my icq uin
04:59.57kd3still doesn't know why he has that memorized
05:00.34DrazisilI dodn't believe there's a working forgot password, or I'd look mine up.
05:00.37Ressy18602222
05:00.38Ressy>.<
05:00.41DrazisilI think I have 3-4
05:00.50RessyI've had that account forever.
05:00.58DrazisilOk, I dodn't feel quite so old
05:01.03Ressylol
05:01.07Sky2042lol
05:02.39DrazisilI like the ferry from 4chan to gaia...it's so true
05:03.19Sky2042There's a tunnel from 4chan to Habbo. ;)
05:04.43DrazisilI notice 4chan island is a penis...I'm sure that's not a mistake :P
05:04.57Sky2042Sent an email off to mikk looking for an email.
05:05.00Sky2042...
05:05.26RessyFeeling my age so I'm headed to bed.  :P  Looking forward to tomorrow's outcry.
05:05.35Drazisil4chaners are insane...have they aver gone after wowwiki?
05:05.40Ressynight guys :)
05:05.45Drazisilnight Ressy
05:06.18kd3no, thank the various internet gods. not that we've ever given them reason, either
05:06.42DrazisilThat's why I asked, I couldn't think of any reason they would care about us
05:07.12Sky2042As long as you don't make 4chan mad, or give them boobs, they won't be mean to you.
05:26.53Drazisilgonna head to bed, night all
05:26.59Sky2042night
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09:00.37g0urrahttp://www.instra.com/en/whois/whois-result/warcraftwiki_com
09:00.38g0urra...
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10:59.01foxlitkd3: should re-screenshot this one: http://www.wowwiki.com/File:Cyber-Rage_Forgelord_skin.jpg
11:00.20g0urraoh wow
11:09.57g0urrahm.. is the RC autorefresh broken?
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11:55.22pcjg0urra works for me
11:55.59g0urrahmm
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11:58.53pcjwhat is happening? is it just not loading or is the box gone
11:59.40g0urraI have two (?) boxes to check, and it's not loading
12:00.07pcjyou're on monaco or wowwiki?
12:00.15g0urrawowwiki
12:01.22pcjthe reason you are loading two is because of http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User:Gourra/global.js
12:01.53pcjif you replace that with importScriptPage('AjaxRC/code.js', 'dev'); it should work much better
12:02.17g0urra"It should not conflict with your own global.js.
12:02.17g0urra", and I imported from what I believe was the proper version at that time
12:02.20g0urrabut I'll replace with that
12:02.34pcjit doesn't "conflict"
12:02.38pcjit just shows two
12:03.37g0urrahrm, "Edit pages on double click" didn't work when trying to edit that
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12:03.46pcjare you getting a javascript error?
12:03.51g0urrano, nothing
12:04.31pcjweird
12:06.07g0urraI'd try Special:Contact on that, but I doubt it'll be fixed anytime soon
12:06.57g0urrayep, doesn't work at all on central
12:07.41g0urrawohoo it doesn't work at all on oasis/wikia
12:07.57g0urraclaps half-heartedly, clearly unimpressed.
12:08.47pcjconsidering it's my code not sure why they would support that :P
12:09.27g0urrahah
12:09.48g0urraI meant the "Edit pages on double click" just fyi
12:09.55pcjoh
12:10.16pcjyeah it sounds like you have some weird JS loading first that's breaking everything after it
12:10.27pcjnot sure what since the same sort of code is working for me
12:10.44pcjmaybe there was a skin change that didn't roll through for me yet
12:12.58pcji'm getting a database lock...
12:13.16pcjhmm now its gone
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12:59.50Ressymorning
13:00.08pcjgood morning
13:00.43Ressystill not active for all users?
13:01.08pcjnope
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13:26.23RessyGood community support for the move.
13:26.24g0urrapcj, did you see your mail
13:27.23pcjerm, from aionopedia?
13:27.29g0urrawhat
13:27.32g0urrano
13:27.34pcjoh
13:28.03g0urraalso I had no idea that mikk was (probably) swedish (judging by the name)
13:31.12g0urrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/Help:CategorySelect
13:31.14g0urrareally
13:31.21g0urrathat's really..helpful
13:33.21Ressyyup. They deleted all the help files, and redirected to that.
13:34.06Ressyuberfuzzy did it over the weekend.
13:34.31g0urrabecause the amount of retarded people that are incoming won't be able to read otherwise
13:34.36g0urraI mean, they NEED those big buttons
13:36.21RessyI think this sums everything up:
13:36.23RessyWikia's retarded
13:36.44g0urraheh
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13:42.16pcjlook at the bright side, this makes "losing" shared help much easier
13:42.39g0urraheh
13:43.29Ressylol
13:44.18Sky2042pcj: I said that before. :P
13:44.32pcjwell you weren't wrong
13:49.12bladekittySky2042 has beautiful eyes that you can see pcj's reflection on
13:49.19Sky2042o.o
13:49.34g0urrao _o
13:49.39bladekittyhai g0urra
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13:50.12Ackislulz at bladekitty
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13:50.57Ackissomeone's got a case on the mondays!
13:51.16g0urrawow, you lag more than early beta
13:51.20g0urrait's wednesday
13:51.25Ressylol
14:07.20Ressyhttp://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20101006/hands-only-cpr-101006/20101006/?hub=TorontoNewHome
14:08.11Ackistoronto sucks
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14:08.43Ressythx Ackis.
14:09.15Ackisyou're welcome
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14:18.40Ressylol
14:19.24Ackisno he/she can't
14:19.26Ackis<PROTECTED>
14:19.31Ackisg0urra is a meanie!
14:19.50g0urra<bladekitty> g0urra: Cannot change nickname while banned on channel
14:22.46g0urrapcj_2, what about doing it after we move off wikia
14:23.03g0urralike "hey just so you know, don't edit here, go to the new page isntead"
14:23.08g0urrainstead*
14:23.16pcj_2you really think wikia will let that happen?
14:23.28g0urrashrugs
14:24.54Sky2042If we put personal effort into it, what's going to stop us?
14:25.18pcj_2wikia
14:25.27Sky2042I don't see that as likely.
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14:25.33pcj_2oh ok
14:25.45g0urraSky2042, pcj_2, did you check your mail
14:25.49g0urra(the latest mail I sent)
14:25.56pcj_2to the whole admin team?
14:26.08Sky2042g0urra: Yes.
14:26.12Sky2042I think it could happen.
14:26.36Sky2042I think that would be a lot cheaper than pursuing wowwiki.com, too.
14:26.43Sky2042But maybe Wikia would just hand us the domain. :)
14:27.00Ressyan hour til everyone can see it.
14:27.11Ackissee what?
14:27.17RessyWikia
14:27.23Ackiswhich one?
14:27.27Ackisackiswiki.com?
14:27.31Ackisfacts about ackis
14:27.32pcj_2i don't think a chinese holding company is going to sell it cheaply
14:27.33Ressythe skin.
14:27.37Ackisah
14:28.03Sky2042shrugs.
14:28.06Sky2042Maybe they won't.
14:28.14g0urrapcj_2: we could see how much they'd ask for it
14:29.00sannse(hour or so)
14:29.12Sky2042Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, it's a Wild Sannse.
14:29.27Sky2042throws a WikiBall.
14:29.28pcj_2uses logic!
14:29.28g0urralike I said before, I'm willing to pay to make it ours
14:29.31pcj_2It's super effective!
14:29.34Ressypcj: I'd be willing to donate to purchasing a domain
14:29.44g0urrathat's 2 of us then
14:30.15pcj_2will keep that in mind
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14:41.07Sky2042poor sannse. Trying to defend decisions that aren't sound using IRC.
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15:12.16RessyDid another cvar dump last night. Few more things have changed.... Will start updating pages at the end of the month prolly.
15:12.31pcj_2:o
15:16.18Drazisilmorning wowwiki :)
15:16.25Sky2042_afkmorning draz
15:16.29Ressymorning
15:17.01DrazisilSky2042_afk, please tell me you slept...or are you one of those who don't?
15:17.02Ressytis available now apparently.
15:17.20Sky2042_afkI have 22 credits of school this semester. I get to sleep?
15:17.25Sky2042_afklooks around wildly.
15:17.28Drazisilheh, point
15:17.32Sky2042_afkSleep, sleep, GIVE IT TO ME
15:17.52Sky2042_afkkids of course.
15:18.01Sky2042_afkI get about 5-6 hours minimum. Shoot for 7-8.
15:18.34Drazisilthat's not too bad
15:18.43Drazisilunless that's per week
15:18.47Sky2042_afkHahahaha, no.
15:18.52Sky2042_afkI'm not an insomniac. :P
15:19.03Ressykids?
15:19.17Sky2042_afkRessy: "jokes"?
15:19.35Sky2042_afkThough I was only joking about the lack of sleep.
15:22.38Drazisilrages "How dare you says kids are a joke!!!"
15:22.59Sky2042_afkrages,*
15:23.08Sky2042_afkAnd the lack of question mark...
15:23.16pcj_2that wasn't a question
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15:23.38pcj_2also i don't think rages is an appropriate verb to precede a quote
15:23.52Drazisil...
15:23.52Sky2042_afkNo, I think that was, based on the fact he started it with "how". At the least, an interrobang would have been appropriate.
15:23.57Sky2042_afkAnd yes, it is an appropriate verb.
15:24.15g0urrawhat
15:24.18DrazisilFine, grammer natzis...you do it :P
15:24.18pcj_2http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100307234026AA5dNFo
15:24.21Sky2042_afkkills g0urra.
15:24.23g0urranazi*
15:24.40pcj_2Nazi*
15:24.50Sky2042_afk"A declarative statement of anger" would make it a rhetorical question in this case...
15:24.51g0urranazis* actually
15:25.06g0urrait wasn't in the beginning of a sentence
15:25.19Sky2042_afkNazis*.
15:25.21pcj_2Nazi is a proper noun
15:25.35Sky2042_afkYou're all three wrong.
15:25.36Sky2042_afk:P
15:25.49g0urra<Drazisil> Fine, grammer natzis...you do it :P
15:25.56g0urraand I "corrected" it to nazis*
15:26.05Sky2042_afkThough, it should have been "grammar", as well.
15:26.09pcj_2owned
15:27.00Fiskeri'm pulling the plug g0urra
15:29.43g0urrafirst impression of the new skin: oh god the horror
15:30.04Sky2042_afkYou know, I actually like the look of the skin. It's just the fixed width and the "OMG ADS FOR BOTH EXTERNAL AND NETWORKED SITES"
15:30.11Sky2042_afk:/
15:30.55DrazisilIt looks better with adblock :)
15:31.11Sky2042_afk;)
15:31.12DrazisilBut yah, I dislike it
15:32.07g0urrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/Arille_Azuregaze hrr
15:32.16DrazisilBUT, I can 'like' the page on Facebook. That's so awesome it makes up for everything else.
15:32.29foxlitpcj, you talk-page spammer.
15:32.43Sky2042_afkDrazisil: You realize they had a like button on monaco, right?
15:33.29Sky2042_afkThe color of the text is too dark.
15:33.37DrazisilYes, but it wasn't as in your face.
15:33.51Sky2042_afkdraz: I'm aware. :P
15:34.07g0urrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/BC_healing_equipment_%28plate%29/Waist
15:34.08g0urrauh oh
15:34.29g0urrait broke lootbox :3
15:34.33Ressyoh well.
15:34.36Drazisiland that's even with size 4 font
15:34.39Sky2042_afkg0urra: No, the lootbox broke the page.
15:34.47g0urrano
15:34.48Ressyg0urra: Upside you can see all the information?
15:34.54Sky2042_afk^
15:35.17g0urraand I couldn't before amirite?
15:35.35Drazisilthe white on black is hurting my eyes...is that because I'm tired or is the contrast really that bad?
15:35.36Sky2042_afkThe history button...
15:35.36Ressybetter than it going behind the wikia crap? >.>
15:35.38Sky2042_afkIdiots.
15:36.00Sky2042_afkDrazisil: On the equipment page? It's the size of the font.
15:36.17Drazisilyah.
15:36.50Sky2042_afkThe contrast between dark grey and light grey isn't enough, though.
15:37.02Sky2042_afkProbably breaking the accessibility guidelines. x.x
15:37.13g0urrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/Fur_Covered_Robe
15:37.17g0urraplain links doesn't work
15:37.20Drazisilthe redlinks look sick too
15:37.21g0urraor w/e it's called
15:37.21Sky2042_afkAnd why the fuck are interwikis hidden at the bottom?
15:37.45Sky2042_afkg0urra: No, that's not plainlinks' fault.
15:38.07Sky2042_afkLike, the interwikis are below the categories...
15:38.10Sky2042_afkThat's just fail.
15:38.21Drazisilthe section edit buttions distract from the content.
15:38.23pcj_2interwikis are an afterthought on the new skin
15:38.34pcj_2we reported them missing the first week of the beta and they always said they'd add them
15:38.36Sky2042_afkpcj: I got that feeling..
15:38.53Sky2042_afkDrazisil: The pencils do.
15:38.58Sky2042_afkWhich was the aim, I'm sure.
15:39.22pcj_2lol the interwiki links don't even work
15:39.38pcj_2"here's the languages available" OH WAIT YOU CANT CLICK ON THEM
15:39.44RessyI don't even see interwiki links on most pages.
15:39.55pcj_2that's because there aren't interwiki links on most pages
15:39.59Sky2042_afkThat's because most don't have them.
15:40.00pcj_2see http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Portal:Main&useskin=wikia though
15:40.01Sky2042_afkhahahaha
15:40.16DrazisilHey, hover over the quest and see if you see what I see.
15:40.18Sky2042_afkhahahaha, useskin still restricted to betas.
15:40.31pcj_2dumbasses
15:40.36Ressyinterwiki link worked for me?
15:40.43pcj_2click the see all button
15:40.49g0urrainterwiki worked for me too...
15:41.06pcj_2hmm
15:41.07Ressyand?
15:41.09Sky2042_afkHaha, dantman just noted the &useskin in #wikia.
15:41.19Sky2042_afkDrazisil: I saw a normal tooltip. What did you see...?
15:42.14g0urraI went to http://www.wowwiki.com/Thrall , browsed to the bottom, clicked "see all", I see all interwiki links
15:42.27Sky2042_afkg0urra: Can you click on all of them though?
15:42.30Sky2042_afkAnd get somewhere.
15:42.32Sky2042_afkDrp.
15:42.41g0urrayup
15:42.48pcj_2hmm
15:42.52pcj_2oh well
15:42.52Drazisilgetting ss
15:43.10g0urramy guess is it's broken for beta testers.. or something
15:43.12g0urrashrugs
15:43.27Sky2042_afkYeah, like I said, I like the skin aside from the ad-driven changes.
15:43.35Ressy< beta tester
15:43.36Sky2042_afkAnd a couple of other misc. changes.
15:43.37Ressyworks for me
15:44.03pcj_2Sky2042_afk: good you can stay with wikia then
15:44.30g0urrahave fun Sky2042_afk
15:44.33Drazisilhttp://i55.tinypic.com/fei613.png
15:44.49g0urralol
15:44.50Sky2042_afkpcj, g0urra, Oh thinks.
15:45.18Sky2042_afkthanks*
15:45.20pcj_2Drazisil: yeah that would be a z-index thing
15:45.25pcj_2not really inclined to fix it
15:45.33RessyMaybe its a Chrome issue.  I'm using FF and it works fine.
15:45.57pcj_2ressy: are you sizing your screen like his so the tooltip goes up instead of down?
15:45.58g0urraRessy: make the window smaller and the lower border just below the link
15:46.05g0urrawhat pcj_2 said
15:46.12Drazisilpcj_2:Don't blame you, just saying that wiki's missed with the page by playing with the z-index
15:46.35Ressylol. just saw that.
15:47.37DrazisilRessy:Lies, Chrome is perfect, there are no Chrome issues!
15:47.46Ressylol
15:47.54DrazisilThere is also no spoon, but I degress.
15:47.55Ressywow.  This rollout was very poorly planned.
15:48.09pcj_2ressy: first time on wikia?
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15:49.17DrazisilRessy:It was planned perfectly. wika listened carefully to all the feedback from their testers...then ignored us.
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15:49.26Ressiaodd
15:50.41RessyI used the custom wowwiki monobook skin...
15:50.53pcj_2i still do
15:50.57RessyThe first time I even looked at a non-wowwiki wiki was in April.
15:51.02pcj_2:o
15:51.20g0urrahttp://i53.tinypic.com/sfxpwj.jpg
15:51.23g0urrastay classy, wikia
15:51.33g0urrapoints below
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15:51.57DrazisilI complained about that...what page were you trying to get to?
15:52.22g0urraSpecial:ThemeDesigner
15:52.25g0urrabut that's not the point
15:52.30g0urralook at the bottom, the toolbar
15:52.49DrazisilOh, nice
15:52.55DrazisilWhat link is missing?
15:53.02Drazisilgoes to look
15:53.06RessyCopyright one
15:53.16Drazisilawesome
15:53.30kd3|netbookhuh? I thought they fixed that... CC-BY-SA should be there
15:53.37DrazisilI guess the error page isn't CC ;)
15:53.58kd3|netbookonly content pages will display it
15:54.23g0urrano, the thing is that there's a huge space between the end of the page and the toolbar.
15:54.55Drazisilso that's 3 things wrong
15:56.37DrazisilI'm annoyed that I have an un-removable link to theme designer in my tools that I don't have access to.
15:57.04pcj_2Drazisil: hey no problem let me remove that with JS for you...oh wait
15:57.21g0urrasweet, sweet monobook
15:57.32Ressylol
15:57.35Drazisilslaps pcj "Bad Pcj, no breaking the TOS"
15:58.16Drazisil:)
15:59.00Fiskerg0urra
15:59.03Fiskeri said i pulled the plug
15:59.17g0urra"[Uberfuzzy] helps keep Wikia a clean place for everyone."
15:59.18g0urrahrm
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16:28.39kd3|netbookzomg, they posted an image dump
16:28.46Ressywhere?
16:28.56pcj_2dun dun dun!
16:29.02kd3|netbookprivately; I special:contacted it and got a link in response
16:29.29Ressywow.. Thats gonna be huge. lol
16:29.31g0urrao:
16:29.38pcj_2i estimate around 30GB
16:29.40g0urraRessy: that's what she said
16:29.49pcj_2g0urra: yes she just said it dork
16:29.51Ressykd3: can your connection handle it?
16:30.00kd3|netbookI'm at school. sure
16:30.03kd3|netbookat home... not so much
16:30.03pcj_2lol
16:30.11g0urralol
16:30.11pcj_2can your netbook handle it?
16:31.13g0urraokay, there's one good thing about the new wikia look
16:31.22RessyDon't most of those netbooks come with like.. 60 to 120gb drives
16:31.24g0urrakanye takes up the whole blank space to the right
16:31.28pcj_2lol
16:31.29RessyLOL
16:31.36kd3|netbookwget's still sitting there waiting for a response
16:31.39kd3|netbookponders
16:31.52pcj_2kd3|netbook: well it is wikia servers
16:32.22Ressy10 seconds til kd3 crashes the wikia image servers......
16:32.28g0urrahttp://i55.tinypic.com/4qmzvr.jpg
16:33.05kd3|netbookg0urra, lol
16:33.21pcj_2wikia has the best skin of all time
16:33.36kd3|netbook1.1 gigs
16:33.37kd3|netbookwtf
16:33.42kd3|netbookthat's a hell of a lot of imagery
16:33.45pcj_2thats some serious compression
16:33.50pcj_2or it got truncated :P
16:34.04kd3|netbookI'll be downloading it over lunch once I get out of class
16:34.12g0urrahttp://i51.tinypic.com/s4awcn.jpg
16:34.14g0urrafffff
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16:36.27pcj_2i think my connection must be faster than the wikia server hosting the image dump
16:37.36Drazisilprobably
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16:46.34pcj_2ugh stupid download stopped
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16:57.30Drazisilhehe
16:57.55pcj_2damn it the download stopped again
16:58.09Ressy:(
16:58.11kd3|netbooklemme know when you're done and I'll start on mine.
16:58.18pcj_2its all g0urra's fault
16:58.42pcj_2i'm gonna need something that can intelligently resume downloads..
16:59.26Drazisilpc or mac?
16:59.30pcj_2pc
16:59.34pcj_2i'll just use getright i guess
16:59.36kd3|netbookwget?
16:59.49g0urraJDownloader?
16:59.57kd3|netbookeew, java?
16:59.58Drazisilgetright...that's what I was thinking of.
17:01.24Drazisilfilezilla says it will...I've never tested it
17:01.33pcj_2filezilla is an FTP client..
17:02.34Drazisilyes...resume is a ftp command...I'm not sure I follow
17:02.50pcj_2we don't have FTP access to the file
17:02.57Drazisiloh.
17:03.06Drazisilewww
17:03.31Drazisildoes wget support resume? That might be best, as kd3 said
17:03.49kd3|netbookyes; wget -C "foo"
17:04.19Drazisilthat's also gong to have less overhead then anything else, so would probably be fastest
17:04.35pcj_2i'll mirror it when i get it down i guess
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17:08.13pcj_2http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Forum:Should_WoWWiki_leave_Wikia%3F&curid=294121&diff=2402485&oldid=2402483&rcid=2410292
17:08.15pcj_2lol scrolls of lore
17:08.28g0urralols of lore
17:09.28g0urrawell, would be great if I could load it
17:09.54pcj_2did you get it downloaded?
17:10.13Drazisilit took a while for mee too...I think Pcj is killing the wika server with his download :p
17:10.30pcj_2only pulling 1.5 meg down :\
17:10.38g0urrapcj_2, not even getting it..
17:10.41Ackisomg it's so white
17:10.47pcj_2thats what she said
17:11.07DrazisilYes, but the new skin takes a lot, it's so sleek and high-tech
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17:15.53pcj_2and tor's server is down
17:16.33DrazisilAh, scrolls of lore wants our database.
17:17.44g0urraNot Found
17:17.44g0urraThe requested URL /images/wowwiki_images.tar.gz was not found on this server.
17:17.45g0urra:(
17:18.31pcj_2http://www.scrollsoflore.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8181
17:20.13g0urra"Some fool said we should ask Curse, I'm like "are you out of your fucking mind?" (Not in so many words, because that makes the admins there cry.) Pcj, the bossman, agrees - what would be the sense in trading one corrupt corporate overlord for another?"
17:20.17g0urrapcj - the bossman
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17:21.19Ackisapparently I'm a fool
17:21.27Sky2042_afkAhhahahahaha
17:21.33kd3|netbooklmfao
17:22.28Sky2042_afkAnd that's Joshmaul.
17:22.30Sky2042_afklol
17:23.04Ackistheir flaming portion of the rules is currently under development :(
17:23.29g0urrawaits patiently for reply about the domain
17:23.30AckisI was setting myself up for a wonderful troll
17:24.08pcj_2god their forum theme is terrible
17:24.11pcj_2its hard to see links
17:24.23Ackiss/theme//
17:24.28pcj_2lol
17:24.34Ackis:)
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17:27.02g0urrahmm
17:27.24g0urrahow many unique visitors was it that we have every month
17:27.45pcj_2http://www.quantcast.com/wowwiki.com
17:28.05pcj_23.5 million
17:28.37pcj_2http://vanilla.tor.wikia-dev.com/ need moar vanilla :(
17:28.51g0urraso yeah 11.67% of wikia's traffic is from wowwiki
17:28.58pcj_2and?
17:29.08g0urrajust sayin
17:29.14pcj_2i see
17:29.56DrazisilHow is SoL saying WowWiki isn't correct on lore? I though we did quite well.
17:30.18AckisDrazisil: they called me a fool, therefore everything they say is shit
17:30.32DrazisilWorks for me :)
17:30.38pcj_2they're still angry because baggins used to add stuff from the RPG guidebooks which had DnD crap in it
17:30.49pcj_2so stuff like "hobbit" and stuff
17:31.09DrazisilThat's a decent time to carry a grudge.
17:31.27Ackisbaggins adding stuff about hobbits... ironic
17:31.58kd3|netbookthat was... how many years ago?
17:32.03kd3|netbookhell, before I started editing
17:32.14pcj_2i know rolandius used to do it too
17:32.16DrazisilI think the samwise images baggins added are pretty awesome
17:32.22pcj_2they shouldn't be angry about us about rolandius though :P
17:32.25pcj_2at us*
17:32.28kd3|netbooklmao
17:34.06Drazisilthat is some nice traffic that site pulls
17:34.12Drazisilthe*
17:34.17pcj_2meh
17:37.01pcj_2tor's server is weird, it responds to ping but can't find the directory the images are stored in :\
17:37.31g0urraremembers http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Ambidextrous&action=edit&redlink=1
17:37.53g0urra"Thrall was ambidextrous  — being equally adept in the use of both right and left hands with a weapon."
17:38.03pcj_2._.
17:38.08g0urrawowwww
17:38.13g0urraediting, Rolandius style
17:38.14pcj_2rolandius should found wowtionary
17:38.38g0urrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/Special:DeletedContributions/Rolandius
17:38.39g0urrawow
17:38.53AckisThe action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: Administrators, Wikia Staff, Helpers, VSTF.
17:38.55Ackish8 u
17:38.58pcj_2http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Rolandius
17:39.09pcj_2that was fun
17:39.23g0urralol
17:40.28pcj_2http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Forum:Should_WoWWiki_leave_Wikia%3F&curid=294121&diff=2402493&oldid=2402489 ouch kd3
17:40.52kd3|netbookmeh
17:41.27Drazisilheh
17:41.47pcj_2feh
17:42.20DrazisilRessy's turn
17:42.39DrazisilOr g0urra's
17:42.43Drazisilfight!
17:42.51g0urrageh
17:44.39Fiskerg0urra
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17:52.23g0urraLeviathon: "What you don't want your entire life devoted to a website?! :p"
17:52.27g0urrawow players don't have a life
17:54.54pcj_2kd3 do you think tor is going to fix his server
17:55.02kd3|netbookdunno
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18:27.25Eraclitohi guys
18:27.52Eraclitoi'm actually at 1900x1080 resolution, and the new skin is awful
18:28.23g0urrasame
18:28.26Fiskercan we see?
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18:30.00g0urrathough kanye is floating very good now
18:30.20pcj_2g0urra: i'll put that on the pros side of the new skin then
18:30.27g0urragood
18:30.48g0urraand don't forget to link the image
18:31.00g0urrahttp://i55.tinypic.com/4qmzvr.jpg
18:31.24Eraclitohttp://i54.tinypic.com/2a5f8lx.png for a full screen
18:31.38Fiskerwait was this new layout designed for mobiles?
18:31.47Ressyno. thats not working apparently.
18:32.28pcj_2just like wikia
18:32.35Sky2042_afkKirkburn apparently managed to secure http://www.twitter.com/wowwiki
18:32.52kd3|netbook!
18:33.01g0urra!
18:33.02pcj_2oh thats good
18:33.08Sky2042_afkPerfect timing too.
18:33.11Ressylol
18:33.12Sky2042_afkspeaks that drily.
18:33.18Sky2042_afkdryly*
18:33.38pcj_2in all likelihood the moved wowwiki will probably not be called wowwiki anyway
18:33.55Sky2042_afkI like the wowwiki logo >.>
18:34.02Sky2042_afk(just sayin)
18:34.05g0urrawhy not? wookieepedia moved to starwars.wikia and was still called wookiee pedia
18:34.12g0urras/ pedia/pedia/
18:34.22Fiskerthe new wowwiki is like twitter, except there's a minimum amount of characters rather than a maximum
18:34.24Fiskerand it's fucking huge
18:34.35Sky2042_afk[[bird]]
18:34.35Dottedwww.wowwiki.com/bird
18:34.41Sky2042_afkI love you dotted.
18:34.41g0urrais the word
18:35.13Fiskeri mean the site like 60% background image, 30% ads, 10% content
18:35.15Fisker*barfs*
18:35.19pcj_2the bird is the word?
18:35.25Ressyoh god
18:35.33g0urraI thought everyone had heard pcj_2
18:35.34pcj_2shoots tor's server
18:35.41Ressythat episode is so annoying
18:36.09pcj_2lol
18:36.14Eraclitowiki.worldofwarcraft.com could be nice ;P
18:36.18Sky2042_afkEraclito: ;)
18:36.20pcj_2Eraclito: we're trying
18:36.21Sky2042_afkIt would.
18:36.25pcj_2kd3: any reply from them?
18:36.28kd3|netbooknope
18:36.36Fiskeryeah Sky2042_afk
18:36.39Eraclitolet's cross fingers
18:36.41Fiskerbut Blizzard aren't nice people
18:36.49Ressysome are.
18:36.53Eraclitotrue, some are
18:36.57FiskerSome Blizzards?
18:37.11Ressysome ppl who work at Blizz
18:37.17Eraclitomany blues are good at their jobs
18:37.17Fiskersure
18:37.23FiskerBut i'm talking Blizzard as a whole
18:37.43Ressyanything's possible. They reversed that RealID on the forums thing.
18:37.46Ressy*shrugs*
18:37.48Eraclitowell, it's more activision the baddie
18:37.52Sky2042_afk^
18:38.03Eraclitothey want our souls
18:38.11Ressyeveryone does.
18:38.15Sky2042_afkI think they knew the fallout from Facebook having privacy issues would not reflect well.
18:38.25Fiskeri might be trolling a bit
18:38.26Sky2042_afkWhy they thought that they wouldn't have the same issues...
18:38.27FiskerBut hey
18:38.37Fiskeratleast Valve hosted halflife2.net when they were in deep shit
18:39.29Sky2042_afkHere's a thought I had, pcj/kd3: Ask Blizzard if they can pull a wow.com on wowwiki.com. ;o
18:39.38Ressykills her software. Damned thing went non-responsive when I hit post for a damned bank rec. grr grr
18:39.53Sky2042_afkBut that would be asking them if they had done it.
18:39.55Sky2042_afklol
18:40.02pcj_2Sky2042_afk: i tried discussing that but foxlit called me an asshat
18:40.07Ressy(I'm sorta working at working still)
18:40.15Sky2042_afkThat would be asshattery?
18:40.17Sky2042_afko.o
18:40.21Fiskerpull a wow.com?
18:40.35FiskerSo Blizzard had AOL move wowinsider because of the domain name?
18:40.41Fiskeri find that hard to believe :o
18:40.42pcj_2actually it doesn't look like it
18:40.50pcj_2AOL just did something completely dumb with it
18:40.51pcj_2http://www.wow.com/wow/index.html
18:40.56Eraclitoi think they sold it for good money
18:41.04Sky2042_afkwut
18:41.06pcj_2"what is this i don't even know"
18:41.06Sky2042_afkis
18:41.08Sky2042_afkthat
18:41.21Sky2042_afkEraclito: Aol in the top right.
18:41.23Sky2042_afkIt's still them...
18:41.48Eraclitooh :> i didn't notice Aol logo
18:41.50Sky2042_afkHow long have  they wanted to do that though...?
18:42.24Eraclitowell they had an awesome name for this kind of service
18:42.39Sky2042_afkhopes Eraclito's joking.
18:42.50Eraclito:P remember: simple names
18:42.58Sky2042_afkDuh.
18:42.59Eraclitopeople are stupid, so you have to keep them simple
18:43.03Eraclitoyahoo, google, ebay
18:43.10Sky2042_afkThat's why we're having a problem with domain names for our future site. :P
18:43.16Eraclitoahahaha
18:43.36Eraclitowell, wow.com is a domain good for almost everything
18:43.47pcj_2especially your mom
18:43.58pcj_2because it's mom upside down, of course
18:44.06Sky2042_afkThough, that still doesn't explain why they didn't stay on wowinsider...
18:44.14Sky2042_afkjoystiq pulling a wikia, I suppose.
18:44.44Ressyaol prolly kicked it there.
18:46.04Ressythey let wowinsider.com go.
18:46.08Ressywas reregistered.
18:47.07Kasowhy would anyone ever let a domain go >
18:47.10Kaso><
18:47.21kd3|netbookbecause they were lazy and forgot to renew it
18:47.40KasoRessy, you sure? wowinsider.com seems to redirect for me
18:47.46Sky2042_afk^
18:47.57Ressyhm.
18:48.10Ressyno clue then.
18:48.16*** join/#wowwiki stolenlegacy|lap (~stolenleg@d86-32-230-103.cust.tele2.at)
18:48.24g0urrahttp://whois.domaintools.com/wowinsider.com
18:48.24kd3|netbookmy latest screencap was taken in fullscreen mode on a 1024x600 display
18:48.24kd3|netbookyay
18:48.25g0urraaol
18:48.54Ressyahh
18:48.56g0urraReverse Whois:
18:48.56g0urra"AOL Inc." owns about 21,790 other domains
18:48.59g0urraheh
18:49.25Ackissome squatter owns ackis.com
18:49.30Ackiswon't take my $10 offer for it
18:49.49Ressylol
18:49.58Sky2042_afkD:
18:50.35AckisI did however tell them they had to give me 2 years of free registration with my $10 offer
18:50.56Sky2042_afkhahahaha
18:52.20pcj_2squatters are so stupid
18:53.36Ackisisn't it illegal in the US?
18:53.42Ackisnot that these squatters are american
18:53.50pcj_2how can owning a domain be illegal
18:54.13Ackissquatting != owning
18:54.14pcj_2oh it is :\
18:54.28pcj_2i knew that
18:54.38pcj_2it's usually if you own the trademark to a name
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18:54.49Ackishas something to do with the intent to extort money out of it
18:54.52pcj_2yeah
18:55.03Ackistrademarks are one of the ways to get the domain transfered to you
18:55.09Ackisthat's about all I looked up
18:56.34Ressyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybersquatting
19:00.21DrazisilI come back and you put the bird is the word in my head. I hate you. That is all.
19:00.36Sky2042_afklol
19:00.47Ressylol
19:01.23g0urralol
19:02.00pcj_2lol
19:02.03Ackislol
19:02.43DrazisilThere aren't any dark irons in ironforge, are there?
19:03.03Sky2042_afkUnless you count Moira in the expansion, no.
19:03.26DrazisilHm., ok
19:04.17g0urrayou know, DARK iron dwarves taking slaves in the slag pit..
19:04.31pcj_2SPOILERS
19:04.39Sky2042_afkMOAT SPOILERS
19:04.56g0urra.. what
19:05.04DrazisilInfoboxes are current business!
19:05.45pcj_2http://tor.wikia-dev.com/wiki/Dev_Box_Trick_Wiki
19:05.50g0urrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/Dark_Iron_Slaver
19:05.51pcj_2oh god the eyes
19:06.04g0urraoh god
19:07.02Drazisilwhat...is that?
19:07.17pcj_2a test wiki apparently
19:07.19Ressyan eyesore?
19:08.00Drazisiloff to work...heye, where is this chat logged?'
19:08.20pcj_2~wwlogs
19:08.20infobotYou are probably looking for http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowwiki/
19:08.56Drazisilthanks, later :)
19:10.54Drazisilqoq, that log is backlogged :-/
19:10.59Drazisilwow*
19:11.29pcj_2backlogged?
19:11.42g0urraI guess he means that the logs go way back
19:14.40Sky2042_afkhahahahahahahahaha
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19:21.31Sky2042_afkI love how our consensus is converging compared to everyone else.
19:21.37Sky2042_afkIt's like, WoWWiki thinks for itself.
19:22.08pcj_2wowwiki is tired of being the cash cow
19:22.38RessyWe don't like being dictated to.
19:26.46Ackismooo
19:26.55Fiskerfuck you Ackis
19:27.02Ackiswowwiki.scrollsoflore.com amiright?
19:27.08Fiskerkd3|netbook you gonna give it to me
19:27.17pcj_2wowwikisol.com imo
19:27.20Sky2042_afkI was actually thinking wow.blizzwiki.com, but blizzwiki is taken.
19:27.23Fiskerwowiki.com
19:27.28Sky2042_afkThen we can talk to starcraft about coming with us. :D
19:27.28kd3|netbookahaha
19:27.36g0urraand diablo
19:27.39Sky2042_afkIndeed.
19:27.56Fiskerkd3|netbook
19:27.57pcj_2<PROTECTED>
19:27.58Fiskergive it to me
19:28.00Ackiswow.ackisrocks.com
19:28.12Sky2042_afkAckis: No.
19:28.37pcj_2kd3 tell tor to kick his server
19:29.14g0urrapcj
19:29.16g0urrayou are now Petroleum Corporation of Jamaica
19:29.21pcj_2old
19:29.21Sky2042_afkLOL
19:29.29Sky2042_afkg0urra: No, just his bot.
19:29.32kd3|netbookpot-enabled petroleum?
19:29.35kd3|netbookworks for me
19:29.58Ressyhttp://whois.domaintools.com/blizzardwiki.com
19:30.02kd3|netbookburn it and get high from the gas fumes *and* the pot
19:30.20Fiskerkd3|netbook why don't you wanna give it to me?
19:30.32kd3|netbookgive you what, fisk-fisk?
19:30.43Fiskerthat screenshot
19:31.15kd3|netbookthis one? http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/9/92/On_Naxxramas_wikia.png
19:31.21Sky2042_afkhttp://whois.domaintools.com/blizzwiki.com
19:31.57Fiskeractually a pretty decent fit for your netbook kd3|netbook
19:32.10Fiskerbut it's almost like a mobile in landscape mode
19:32.11Fisker:D
19:35.48g0urrahttp://fisker.com/
19:35.51g0urrahah
19:37.22g0urrahmmm
19:37.24pcj_2"Unless you’re a very wealthy individual/organization with tons o’ cash to part with, I plan on owning/operating this domain for the foreseeable future." owned
19:37.28g0urramaybe we should move to sannse.com
19:37.32g0urrait's available
19:38.06pcj_2g0urra: thanks for telling me sannse is available
19:38.19Sky2042_afkg0urra: When did you finish with her?
19:38.37g0urrahah
19:38.57g0urrawow.wikiasucks.com
19:39.35Eraclitowow.bigdicks.com
19:39.57Sky2042_afkThat one's probably taken eraclito
19:40.14Eraclitooh true :< how did you know?
19:40.34g0urrabecause he wanted to see if there was any bigdicks available.
19:41.47Sky2042_afk^
19:42.38Eraclitowhat about wow-wiki?
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19:42.48sannse_awayused to own sannse.com
19:42.55g0urrataken
19:42.58sannse_awaygave up renewing it
19:43.14Eraclitoalso 4 days ago
19:43.25sannse_awaygoes for lunch :)
19:43.30g0urrawhat, 4 days
19:43.36Eraclito<PROTECTED>
19:43.46g0urra2011.
19:43.56Sky2042_afkum, fail sig?
19:43.58Eraclitoyes they renewed it 4 days ago
19:44.10g0urrawell crap
19:44.19g0urraSky2042_afk: ?
19:44.33Eraclitowikia also owns wikiwow
19:44.56Sky2042_afksomehow.
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19:45.07g0urrawowwikiwow.com isn't taken :o
19:45.08Eraclitotruewowwiki.com is free! :P
19:45.35pcj_2thewikiformerlyknownaswowwiki.com
19:45.53g0urratwfkaw.com
19:46.10Eraclitothewowwiki.com and thewarcraftwiki.com are taken too
19:46.20Ackiswowwiki.curse.com
19:46.21Sky2042_afkyup.
19:46.24Ackiswhistles.
19:46.31Sky2042_afkAckis: wow.wiki.curse.com?
19:46.44Eraclitoi liked more wiki.worldofwarcraft.com :P
19:46.44Ackiswow.cata.wiki.curse.com
19:46.47pcj_2bowchickabowwowwiki.com
19:46.53g0urraLOL
19:46.54Sky2042_afkpcj_2: !
19:46.58Sky2042_afkdefinitely that one.
19:47.01kd3|netbookahaha
19:47.11Sky2042_afkEraclito: We know, we know. :P
19:47.12Eraclitowowwikisistheword.com?
19:47.18Sky2042_afkHAHAHAHAHA
19:47.24EraclitoSky2042_afk i like to read it :>
19:48.39Eraclitoguys i found the name
19:48.44Eraclitowikiofwarcraft.com
19:49.06Eraclitohttp://whois.domaintools.com/wikiofwarcraft.com
19:49.23Sky2042_afkWe came up with some cool names when we talked the other day.
19:49.27Sky2042_afkActually.
19:49.27pcj_2wowtome.com
19:49.31pcj_2wowpedia.com
19:50.42Sky2042_afkwowarchives.com
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19:51.05Ackiswowfiskersucks.com?
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19:52.01*** kick/#wowwiki [gOurra!~Sky2042@wikipedia/Izno] by Sky2042_afk (Who said you could come back in?)
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19:52.45Eraclitowowtome is good
19:52.51pcj_2yeah i like it too
19:52.54Eraclitoi don't like a lot wowpedia
19:52.55pcj_2because of the double entendre
19:53.13*** part/#wowwiki zz_Alram (~Alram@famous.on.irc.marlamin.nl)
19:53.22pcj_2also it was my idea
19:53.51Sky2042_afkwas it?
19:54.03pcj_2and we can save bowchickabowwowwiki for april fools' 2011
19:54.54Eraclitowikiofwarcraft maybe seems a joke name
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19:58.45Sky2042_afkPoor parsonda.
20:00.11foxlit"Sky2042_afk: Here's a thought I had, pcj/kd3: Ask Blizzard if they can pull a wow.com on wowwiki.com. ;o"
20:00.30foxlitYou mean the "Wow provides you and your family with savings at your favorite local and national locations each and every day! Eating, shopping, weekend outings – Wow offers things you want and things you need at a price that makes sense for your on-the-go lifestyle." wow.com?
20:00.31Sky2042_afkfoxlit: Read the following discussion, fool.
20:00.37Sky2042_afkYeah, that one.
20:00.39Sky2042_afk:P
20:00.39foxlitcba, it's more than two hours ago.
20:01.37foxlittwfkaww.com
20:01.59foxlitTotally available, guys.
20:02.24pcj_2yeah thats what g0urra said
20:02.29pcj_2oh wait you're talking about something else?
20:03.19foxlitC'mon, you know you want to rebrand as "the website formerly known as wowwiki"
20:03.37g0urraI'm not sure to register when it says "DONT USE A FREE EMAIL SUCH AS YAHOO OR HOTMAIL"
20:03.42Sky2042_afkfoxlit: There's our April 1, 2011 joke.
20:04.18foxlitg0urra: register where? :)
20:04.26Sky2042_afk(wow.com presumably)
20:04.38Eraclitog0urra, hotmail trashes mail from many good websites
20:04.41g0urrafoxlit: why would you want to know :p
20:04.50g0urraEraclito: thought about using gmail
20:04.56Eraclitoi use gmail :P
20:05.00Mikkis swedish, yes
20:05.00foxlitg0urra: why not? :)
20:05.04g0urra:o
20:05.10Ackisfoxlit: what did blizzard do to wow.com?
20:05.13g0urratrodde väl det
20:05.15foxlitAckis: nothing
20:05.39Mikkg0urra: utf8
20:05.47g0urrahehe
20:07.34Osewhåt?
20:09.20Sky2042_afkohai mikk.
20:10.07g0urraMikk, mailed the ones who own warcraftwiki.com
20:10.10g0urraawaiting reply
20:11.17Mikki'm still not sure everyone realizes the undertaking of running wowwiki's servers
20:11.26Mikkmediawiki is a hog
20:11.53Mikka single-hosted hog, no less
20:12.15pcj_2hmm and wikia is garbage
20:12.19pcj_2lets feed the garbage to the hog!
20:12.32pcj_2two birds with one stone
20:12.55Mikkthey're not running multiple caches just for the hell of it -- it's actually needed :S
20:13.53Ackiswow.wikipedia.org
20:14.06Sky2042_afkAckis: Probably not that one.
20:14.20foxlit"Mikk: i'm still not sure everyone realizes the undertaking of running wowwiki's servers" << /me does.
20:14.23Sky2042_afkAnd wow is probably a language code too.
20:14.32kd3|netbookackis; it'd get RFD'd in 3 seconds flat considering how often the wowwiki article goes up on the chopping block
20:14.45foxlitBasically, the only way this is going to work is by trading one corporate overlord for another.
20:14.52Sky2042_afkkd3: Hahahaha, he was talking about a subdomain for Wikimedia, not the article.
20:15.08kd3|netbookit'd still probably get rfd'd in 3 seconds flat
20:15.14Sky2042_afkkd3: That said, [[WoWWiki]] hasn't seen the chopping block in a while.
20:15.14Dottedwww.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki
20:15.16Mikkfoxlit: quite
20:15.18Sky2042_afkIt's a nice little article now.
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20:18.03Mikk*snif*
20:18.07Mikki'm still using the wowwiki skin :P
20:18.16Sky2042_afkmost of the power users are, I think.
20:18.18foxlitI'd switch to oasis
20:18.23foxlitBut it takes like 5 seconds to load.
20:18.25Sky2042_afkThere are a few who aren't.
20:18.54Sky2042_afkAnd the only way to tell the ones who are from the ones who aren't are the ones whose edits move the interwiki links from below the categories to above.
20:20.07Oseisn't that the RTE?
20:20.15g0urradarn, gourra.com seem to be taken.. recently.
20:20.17Sky2042_afkOse: No, category select.
20:20.24Oseah
20:20.25Sky2042_afkAnd the RTE
20:20.27Sky2042_afkcombined.
20:23.32Eraclitog0urra, try with 'gourramyfriend.com'
20:24.18g0urrao _o
20:24.30g0urraWhois: GourRamYFriend.com
20:24.31g0urrado not want
20:25.14Eraclitolol
20:26.10Mikkheh, reading the section with people suggesting "teaming up" with SoL clearly illustrates that many many do not have the first clue what bigtime website hosting is about
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20:26.20pcj_2yeah
20:26.26foxlitMikk: heck, read the hosting section
20:26.46foxlitThe entire thread is a bit dishonest in terms of our perspectives.
20:27.04pcj_2what would you suggest foxlit
20:27.12foxlit"Hai guys, wanna move to Curse?"
20:27.18pcj_2lol
20:27.36g0urrajoshmaul: "HELL NO WE DONT WANT NO CORPORATE OVERLORDS"
20:27.42Mikkfoxlit: mmm seeing shared webhosts being suggested there
20:27.50Mikkgluck with that
20:28.08foxlitMikk: would be thrown off during the first day.
20:28.09kd3|netbookthose suggestions are from interested editors, I'd hope... we're a little too big for that
20:28.44Mikkfoxlit: no rly you dont say =)
20:28.58kd3|netbookinterested, if a bit uninformed*
20:29.00foxlitI presume the entire thing is meant as some sort of "gauge community response" sink.
20:29.05kd3|netbookyes
20:29.10strizhNoWikiaSkin.com free
20:29.14Mikkbwhaha
20:29.16foxlitSo it's kind of dishonest both ways.
20:29.44Mikkhaving said that, i doubt curse would be worse in any way
20:30.00Mikkas long as wowwiki displays 1 ad per page they'd be happy
20:30.07pcj_2yeah
20:30.14foxlitCurse isn't getting the answer to "Does our community dislike Curse?"; and our community isn't being told the whole picture.
20:30.15g0urraso. who's going to register bowchickabowwowwiki.com
20:30.46foxlitkd3|netbook: so, in some respects, I'd wish you'd hurry things along :)
20:30.56pcj_2mikk if only you hadn't released the wowwiki logo to the public domain we could trademark it :P
20:31.06Mikkhaha
20:31.07g0urrajust det micke
20:31.08kd3|netbookthe skin just got made publicly accessible today
20:31.19kd3|netbookI'll be pushing within the week, fear not
20:31.22Ackisbreaks Mikk's account on wowwiki.
20:31.29MikkAckis: gluck!
20:31.44foxlitshould change his wowwiki password
20:31.54pcj_2too late already hacked your account
20:33.12foxlitPerhaps a much less technically demanding solution is to just make a browsing front-end for wikia
20:33.21Mikkbwhaha
20:33.25foxlitI'm sure they wouldn't be happy
20:33.41Mikkthe problem remains though -- bandwidth is the killer
20:33.58Mikkrunning the wiki server itself where the editors can do their work isnt the problem
20:34.05MikkTHAT is something that you could do on a shared webhost
20:34.32strizhWIKI-WARCRAFT.COM - bad?
20:34.43strizhfree
20:35.08Mikkwarcraftwiki.org ftw?
20:35.15Sky2042_afkOh, hello strizh!
20:35.16Mikklalala not-dot-com
20:35.33strizhhi all
20:35.37Sky2042_afkSomeone took .org for us last night, I do believe it was.
20:35.39g0urrakicks DomainTools
20:36.13Eraclitoas i said, i like wikiofwarcraft.com
20:36.49foxlitIn my aesthetic opinion, you're probably better off coming up with a unique name
20:37.05foxlitThan trying to find some combination of wiki and warcraft that isn't despicably annoying to tyep
20:37.22foxlitSee: xkcd.com
20:37.31Sky2042_afklol
20:38.03foxlit[Though short domain names are even harder -- I still need to find me a decent @[four-letter].com email host]
20:38.20Mikkfxlt.com
20:38.27Sky2042_afkOh, shit.
20:38.32Sky2042_afkbam.
20:39.03foxlitMikk: expires on 2011-01-06
20:39.13pcj_2i still like wowtome or wowpedia
20:39.26pcj_2wowlibram maybe
20:39.28Mikkwowtome makes little sense to the average user
20:39.34Mikkwowpedia makes more sense
20:39.34Ressyodd.  I thought Common.js wasn't loaded in Oasis
20:39.36foxlitwow-to-me
20:39.48foxlitShould also move Talk: to talk.wow-to-me
20:39.58Sky2042_afkHahahahahaha
20:40.03g0urrawowtome.com is taken
20:40.06Sky2042_afksorry foxlit, namespaces don't work like that. :P
20:40.07Mikkgood
20:40.08Mikk:>
20:40.14pcj_2its taken but he's not using it :\
20:40.26pcj_2there's always warcrafttome.com
20:40.34foxlitSky2042_afk: An output filter and a mod_rewrite and they will.
20:40.35strizhWIKI.ORG free O_o
20:40.52foxlitwhat the, grab it
20:40.55Mikkwcwiki  huhuhuh
20:41.00foxlitBut no, it's not
20:41.09Sky2042_afkThat's not what I'm seeing.
20:41.12foxlitwiki.org expires on 2014-04-02
20:41.15Mikkstrizh: lern2whois
20:45.29Sky2042_afkHuh.
20:45.35Sky2042_afkwcwiki is owned by cnet.
20:45.40Sky2042_afkIt appears.
20:50.43g0urramaybe we should write down a list of suggested domain names
20:51.09Sky2042_afkNot on an indexable page...
20:51.11Sky2042_afkHmm
20:52.15foxlitJust drop any TLDs
20:52.25pcj_2so they can register them all
20:52.28foxlitWhich would save you from botting, but not from people.
20:52.33pcj_2DAMN YOU PEOPLE
20:52.53g0urraSky2042_afk: what about a text document on a computer? :p
20:52.56Mikkdoes infobot publish logs? =P
20:53.01foxlityes.
20:53.02kd3|netbook~wwlogs
20:53.02infobotYou are probably looking for http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowwiki/
20:53.05foxlitThey're also indexed.
20:53.08Mikkbwhaha
20:53.11g0urrawowwwwww.
20:53.11Eraclitofffu-
20:53.39foxlitRemember anything you said yesterday?
20:53.39Mikkruns around with a whole roll of 'pwnt' stickers and starts slappign them on people's foreheads
20:53.40Ressypull the last few days, report later?
20:53.47Ressyrepost*
20:53.47Sky2042_afkfoxlit: I'm definitely more concerned about the bots and not the people. :P
20:53.56Eraclitohttp://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowwiki/20090406.html.gz
20:53.59Sky2042_afkRessy: We don't run infobot, who's the logger here.
20:54.18Sky2042_afkor, which is*
20:54.27Eraclitothat was the first spoiler about cataclysm :P
20:54.31pcj_2infobot is a person too with feelings :'(
20:54.57Sky2042_afk~perl
20:54.57infoboti guess perl is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Perl or at http://www.perl.com, or a knitting stitch, or the Pathologically Eclectic rubbish Lister, or that other "P" language
20:54.57g0urrayou could pm and tell me which one(s) you'd like and I write them down, unless you have already
20:54.59Oseyeah, be nice to her
20:56.22g0urra*crickets*
20:56.29pcj_2<PROTECTED>
20:56.32pcj_2WHOOPS
20:56.32foxlitMikk: I'm thinking that just attempting to import the SQL structure will be enough load to have a shared host very, very cross with you.
20:56.58pcj_2foxlit: like we actually have the SQL records
20:57.12g0urraclaps half heartedly, clearly unimpressed
20:57.36foxlitpcj: they're probably not unobtainable.
20:57.57kd3|netbooknot that we need the sql; we've got the full edit history as a mediawki export dump
20:58.04Sky2042_afk^
20:58.09foxlitThat's even worse?
20:58.28kd3|netbookprobably
20:58.34pcj_2but more fun!
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21:50.26pcj_2i'm guessing tor needs to kick his server harder
21:50.54pcj_2crucially: why isn't http://vanilla.tor.wikia-dev.com/images working
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22:21.03g0urrahttp://www.wowwiki.com/Alamo
22:21.10g0urraan article that has use of the width!
22:21.52pcj_2ok now we have to move
22:21.57pcj_2that article looks like shit
22:22.02kd3|netbookahaha
22:22.27g0urrabut the images almost fit the width!
22:22.33g0urrawell except http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v387/rainbow_dragon/Warcraft/BARESCARE.jpg
22:23.45g0urrastill, the line spacing is too large in tooltips and amboxes
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23:01.33Ressygeez...
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23:12.57Sky2042pcj: Clever idea.
23:13.07Sky2042Though you'll only see it edited away.
23:13.17pcjyeah but it would be a bitch to revert
23:13.18RessyPCJ, I thought you said it wasn't really feasible on wowwiki?
23:13.22pcjits not :P
23:13.43Ressydoing it anyways?
23:14.02pcjno just pointing out that adding a template to every page isn't a whole lot different than doing it with JS
23:14.09pcjand how retarded the TOU is
23:14.09Ressyya
23:14.11pcjbut hey its wikia
23:14.15pcjthey're all retards
23:15.24pcjtbh i'm surprised ms uncyclopedia considers that harsh
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23:15.40Ressysnickers
23:15.48Ressypcj, that import thing.
23:15.52Ressywhere exactly does it go
23:16.17pcjabove the importScriptPage
23:16.49pcjbrb
23:24.29Ressywoohoo. That worked. ty pcj. :)
23:26.02Sky2042Also, those flags.
23:26.09Sky2042Was wondering about doing that myself.
23:31.17pcjnp ressy
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