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00:23.23KirkburnI'm off now. See ya'll tomorrow!
00:24.29Teomyrsee ya
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00:41.58Adysnn kirk
00:42.06Adyswhat the hell is wrong
00:42.17AdysAH
00:42.23Adyshad the fucking event filter on ><
00:42.49Teomyrhaha
00:55.01Teomyrdamn, it's getting late again
00:55.06Teomyrsee ya
00:55.08Adysyea
00:55.11Adyshehe nn :)
00:56.54Teomyri tell my pc to shutdown, yet i have to close every program manually until windows finally decides to do so -_-
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01:02.31Skyfireneed an admin
01:02.37Skyfireanother "bot" edit
01:02.43Skyfirehttp://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Boilerplate:Single_ability&curid=12902&diff=583560&oldid=368643&rcid=495770
01:03.01Skyfirereverted now
01:03.21Adysjust say my name
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01:04.00Skyfirecool
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01:06.04Adysheya dt
01:06.11DuTempetehowdy
01:06.45Adysrebooting connexion
01:06.47Adysbe back soon
01:21.01DuTempetemmmmm engineering changes...
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01:35.33Adysfinally
01:37.53DuTempetethat was a long reboot...
01:42.59Adysyeah :p
01:44.20Skyfiregrab a sword and fight the horde!
01:44.26Skyfire>_>
02:18.54Adysbrb
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02:20.00Johan19sup all
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03:06.19Adysskosiris, you there?
03:06.40Skosirisyeah
03:09.11Adys-> pms
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03:46.13Adysnn ppl
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04:19.40TekkubI'm crashing the wiki and I don't care what you all think!
04:21.03Hobinheim|sleepycan't be worse than what i do
04:21.10Hobinheim|sleepywhatcha doin Tekkub
04:21.17Tekkubelinks-NPC
04:23.12Skosirisis there a "time-out" on votes? say the vote has been running for 30 days, does the side with the most votes win by default?
04:23.48TekkubI don't think a winner is declared unless they get +5
04:23.54Tekkubit'd just time out :)
04:24.46Hobinheim|sleepyvotes are overrated...
04:25.02Tekkub<PROTECTED>
04:25.03Tekkub:)
04:25.16Hobinheim|sleepyTekkub, wanna help me move in tomorrow
04:25.21Tekkubno
04:25.24Tekkubfuck that
04:25.25Hobinheim|sleepy:aaa:
04:25.30TekkubI hate moving
04:25.45Tekkubokey,
04:25.48Skosirisoverrated? what do you mean?
04:25.49Tekkubwiki down the hole in
04:25.50Tekkub3
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04:25.55Tekkub1
04:26.00TekkubBAM!
04:26.01Skosirislol
04:26.16TekkubI'm gonna go buy, cook, and eat dinner now
04:31.53Hobinheim|sleepywiki go down the whole...
04:48.46Hobinheim|sleepytekkub's going to catch a small animal and eat it
04:48.48Hobinheim|sleepylike trout
05:25.05Skosirisif you read this, say boo
05:36.23Hobinheim|sleepyboo
05:36.35Hobinheim|undeadBRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINS
05:37.10Skosirislol
05:40.20Hobinheim|undeadburainzu.....
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05:44.09Bibi`ouFoh
05:44.14Bibi`ouFsome lore addict are gonna be happy
05:44.21Bibi`ouFTeron Gorefiend got a new model
05:50.01Bagginswwuses a phoenix down on Hobinheim
05:50.10Bagginswwnew model?
05:50.13Bagginswwhumanish now?
05:50.16Bagginswwlike it should be?
05:50.49Bagginswwsince he was supposed to have bones of human knight
05:59.17Bibi`ouFhttp://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=94.0
05:59.22Bibi`ouFuntextured death knight near the bottom
05:59.37Bibi`ouFthe model is called terongorefiend in the files
06:02.47Bagginswwflying face weird
06:04.19Bagginswwya looks like they gave him a human body now, with wings, weird
06:05.29Skosiristhe new shoulder models look awesome
06:05.56Bibi`ouFSkosiris : anything new on wowhead ? ^^
06:06.33SkosirisI've been very busy since last Saturday working on a revamped page template for the site
06:07.17Skosiriswhich should be ready and released this weekend
06:07.38Tekkuboro?
06:08.20Skosirishmm..    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=oro
06:08.44Skosiriswhich # would best describe what you meant? :P
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06:50.05TekkubI didn't mean anything
06:57.38dottedYes you did
07:01.49Tekkubnope, not a thing
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07:08.47Tekkubwiki break again!
07:08.51Tekkubmuahahahaha!
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10:33.21Tekkub"There is a stock. Amazon.co.jp sells and dispatches this commodity."
10:33.32Tekkub"There are 1 scattering warehouses. As for order ahead of time."
10:33.33Tekkubhehe
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10:34.27Tekkub"As for the order where?
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10:34.27Tekkub"
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11:30.02*** topic/#wowwiki by Kirkburn -> Channel info: tinyurl.com/36u82j | RC list: tinyurl.com/2oawam | UI questions? Join #wowi-lounge | Current project: edit and organise class pages! | Go vote! http://tinyurl.com/yp3t5l | Full 2.1 notes! http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_2.1.0_%28Release_Notes%29
11:42.49KirkburnThese patch notes and ENORMOUS
11:42.52Kirkburn*are
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12:40.21KirkburnI'm off ... be back tomorrow most likely
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12:52.18Adysheya dt, and the rest =P
12:53.15DuTempetemorning
12:55.33DuTempete~adys
12:55.51infobotmethinks adys is sorry because he sucks with styling and css, or the author of EnchantBot. No, you don't have to care about that but people think they are cool when they make me tell you what addon they write.
12:56.16ALiEN``./cry on the warr nerfs
12:56.32DuTempeteIsn't that normal, alien?
12:56.49ALiEN``to cry on the warr nerfs, or the nerfs themselves?
12:56.55DuTempeteDo you ever expect them NOT to suck?
12:57.00DuTempetethe nerfs themselves.
12:57.36ALiEN``well, i'm not surprised, but for another reason tbh
12:57.53ALiEN``atm i dont have any problems except the shadow priest, due to my huge dmg
12:58.07ALiEN``but now, it may actually become more of a challenge
12:58.29DuTempetelol, Adys, another Keep vote for Thott and Alla's.
12:58.45AdysHeya ALiEN``
12:58.48DuTempetegood.
12:58.58Adysthe class changes are bs
12:59.02Adysrest is decent
12:59.02DuTempeteWar's are a bitch to beat on a warlock
12:59.07Adys"Fixed an error where tauren males and gnomes were unable to gain the benefit of drinking water when in areas of shallow and deep water. "
13:00.15ALiEN``:)))
13:00.41ALiEN``well actually the only nerf that truly bothers me on the warr is the 'death wish and enrage don't stack' one
13:00.50ALiEN``there goes my 3.5k MS :)
13:06.38p30nMS ?
13:07.29Adysmortal strike
13:07.34p30noh yea
13:07.46p30nso warr's wont be as efficient to dps anymore ?
13:07.57p30nnot that they been good at it before either but i mean, its getting worse?
13:10.12ALiEN``for dps it's gonna be ~ the same, due to the glancing blows being reduced
13:10.23ALiEN``for pvp, it's a nerf nevertheless
13:12.32p30nok
13:12.50p30npaladin dps has been increased slightly as it seems
13:13.07p30nbut the vampiric embrace mana healing from priests wont work anymore with palas in raid
13:13.14p30nor at least not as efficient as before
13:13.19p30nand that sux real bad
13:13.26p30npala is such a broken class imho
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13:18.46Kitanhello all
13:20.21DuTempetemorning Kitan
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13:21.38Adyshey kitan
13:21.39DuTempeteOn the MS thing, guys... I always thought it was a little odd that a warrior could "nuke" for just as much or more than a mage.
13:22.11DuTempeteThere's a warrior in my guild who MSs for over 5k on a regular basis.
13:23.43ALiEN``well ms is pretty much the warr's burst attack
13:23.53ALiEN``and can rarely exceed 3-3.5k
13:24.09ALiEN``a mage's pom pyro HITS for ~5k
13:28.49Tuqui-tuquihttp://au.pc.ign.com/articles/779/779920p1.html
13:28.53Tuqui-tuquistarcraft 2 :)
13:29.29Tuqui-tuquirumours of coure :<
13:29.32Tuqui-tuquicourse*
13:29.46p30noh daym
13:30.06Kitanthat game will be an instant success
13:30.15Kitaneven if it sucks.. day one sales will be ginourmous
13:30.17Tuqui-tuquiindeed :D
13:30.18Kitanginormous
13:30.30Tuqui-tuquiyou have any idea the number of people just waiting to see a sneak peak?
13:30.33KitanNot sure why I corrected my spelling.  It is a made up word. :-P
13:30.52Tuqui-tuquipreview video will probably render the blizzard site useless for weeks on end
13:31.33Kitanthey need to not hork it like they did with Warcraft III though
13:31.52Tuqui-tuquiyesterday I got called a mexican jumping beacn >.>
13:31.59Tuqui-tuquibean*
13:32.15Tuqui-tuquiI have a habit of kiting and jumping as a mage from PvP
13:32.27Tuqui-tuquiso in PvE it looks weird and some people dont get it :p
13:33.12Kitanheh
13:37.38ALiEN``Adys
13:37.42ALiEN``thanks for the thumbs up :P
13:37.44Adysy?
13:37.47Adysnp :P
13:38.53Tuqui-tuquid-(^_^)>
13:38.56Tuqui-tuquithumbs up :D
13:39.40Tuqui-tuquioh wait, this one is better
13:39.46Tuqui-tuquid-(^_^)z
13:39.49Tuqui-tuquiyeah... :D
13:43.20ALiEN``btw, any words on ParserFunctions? :D
13:43.35ALiEN``wanna make my templates conditioned :P
13:45.36Kitanthe general concensus is "not any time soon" I think Alien
13:45.45ALiEN``ah :)
13:46.04KitanThe system owner is very busy right now apparently.
13:57.41DuTempeteQuestion about rank tables:
13:58.17DuTempeteShould they only include the *differences* between ranks, or include things like the tree, and tyype of spell?
13:58.59DuTempetewww.wowwiki.com/Corruption_%28spell%29 for an example of something I trimmed up
13:59.14DuTempetetrimmed down, rather
14:14.01KitanI like that rank table
14:14.08KitanDu
14:14.25DuTempetekks
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14:35.54jaek1hows it going guys
14:36.41jaek1jeesh, ran heroic ramparts yesterday, couldnt down the last boss... anyone have any strats?
14:37.02jaek1anyone know how much FR the tank should have?
14:38.20Teomyrdon't know anything about heroic instances, sorry :/
14:40.04jaek1we were mainly wiping cus people wernt paying attention to the fire balls coming down
14:41.35DuTempetethen your problem isn't FR, it's stupidity.
14:42.26DuTempeteWhat does the conal fire burst do in damage to the tank?
14:43.31jaek1dunno, i wasnt tanking
14:43.39jaek1http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Gurubashi&n=Jaeku
14:43.42jaek1but i am a tank usually
14:44.23DuTempeteI'd say that in a 5-man encounter if the nukes do damage equal to 50+% of the tank's HP, I might worry about FR.
14:44.34DuTempeteIf less than that, it's not worth it.
14:45.02DuTempeteSo, if we're looking at 10k HP on a 70, heroic keyed tank, it would have to do 5k+ damage.
14:45.19jaek1hmm, how much FR should the tank have, you guess?
14:45.37jaek1i'm trying to collect FR myself, but cant find much
14:47.50DuTempeteI don't know much about the actual numbers of FR vs dmg taken... but if it's necessary, one should never go for FR only.  One should try to attain a happy medium that still achieves all the necessary stats a warrior must have.
14:48.07DuTempeteAnd if you're not finding that much FR gear from BC, I think that's a message that Blizz didn't intend it to be used.
14:48.18DuTempetewell needed, not used.
14:48.50DuTempeteHave you looked at flasks?
14:48.54jaek1yeah, i mean there IS fr gear ive seen, but you have to spend like 40 badges a piece on it
14:49.03jaek1no, are there FR flasks?
14:49.08DuTempeteso PvP gear?
14:49.22DuTempeteyes, there are.
14:49.36DuTempeteflasks will probably be more helpful to you than FR gear.
14:49.45jaek1true
14:49.51jaek1i spent so much money on pots yetsrday
14:50.01jaek1we kept on wiping so it all went to waste
14:50.17jaek1of course flasks don't go away
14:50.58jaek1per point, resiliance does more to +chance not to be critted than defense right?
14:51.04DuTempeteI can't remember where, but I know that Blizz has made statements about how they tuned encounters with the thought that it was possible for a party to have all the flasks with them at once
14:51.19Tuqui-tuquidoes anyone know if the gear upgrade from the patch also affect gear that one possesses?
14:51.28DuTempeteresilliance reduces crits, and I think defense just reduces how hard you get hit
14:51.29jaek1sometimes it does
14:51.33jaek1sometimes it doesnt
14:51.41Tuqui-tuquior only gear that you you get from the patch on
14:51.49DuTempeteYeah, it wil affect what you have
14:51.55Tuqui-tuquicoolio :) thank you
14:51.59jaek1nah, defense does +chance to (dodge|parry|block|not get critted)
14:52.10DuTempeteAll of Blizz's gear changes are retroactive
14:52.17jaek1resiliance does (not get critted|reduce damage when critted)
14:52.40DuTempeteok, so defense is the not getting hit at all stat
14:52.53jaek1correct
14:53.01jaek1damage avoidance vs mitigation
14:53.07DuTempeteif that's the case, then defense is probably th emore effective stat all around.
14:53.15jaek1well, for a warrior yes
14:53.30DuTempetea tank isn't just going to be taking spell damage, even if they're fighting a dragon.
14:53.35jaek1except that i think resiliance does a lot more per point in the (chance not to get critted) department
14:53.41DuTempeteprobably
14:53.52DuTempeteit would have to be valuable enough to replace defense with
14:54.15Adyshttp://files.filefront.com/7228993 illidan animations oO
14:58.33KitanAdys, any other templates that should be deprecated besides Questtb?
14:58.45Kitanand Itemset_Links?  I was leaving Itemset_links for now
14:58.47Adysall except Questlong tbh
14:58.54Kitanyeah
14:59.00Kitanconverting questtb to questlong
14:59.07KitanI will look at questnottb
15:13.11DuTempetesunuva bitch... one of the bible-thumpers in my speech class has chosen the marriage amendment act for their persuasive speech.
15:15.47Kitanchoose the other end of the argument
15:16.30DuTempetelmfao
15:16.33Kitan?
15:17.10DuTempetenah, that shit wont pass, anyway, so I'm not going to bother.  It's already been put down here in Indiana.
15:17.38KitanWisconsin was 55/45 to pass an amendment to ban same sex marraige
15:17.40Kitan:(
15:17.47Kitanthough it was just an advisory
15:18.07DuTempeteBut there's a good chance of me walking out of the room, though.
15:18.18DuTempetewas that enough to actually pass it?
15:19.16DuTempeteoh, I thought you said "thought"
15:19.49DuTempeteIt would surprised me of wisconsin passed it... There are lots of gay communities there.
15:19.59DuTempeteMadison... Milwaukee...
15:20.06Kitanwell.. if it is put up again I am sure it will pass
15:20.06DuTempeteBeloit
15:20.15KitanBeloit is mostly the college I think
15:20.22DuTempeteexactly
15:20.26KitanDane county was very much against the advisory
15:20.36Kitanno i mean beloit's gay community is mostly the college
15:20.40Kitanthey are way out numbered
15:20.50Kitananyway the advisory went for a ban nearly everywhere but dane county, where madison is
15:20.51DuTempeteah, well I haven't spent much time there
15:20.59DuTempete*nod*
15:21.34KitanI was fairly disgusted with the vote
15:21.56DuTempeteShit pisses me off hard-core
15:22.59DuTempeteIt makes gays inequal to straight people in literally *thousands* of ways...
15:23.06Kitannod
15:24.23DuTempeteOn a funnier note... one of the other people is advocating volunteerism as a solution to animal homelessness...
15:24.33DuTempeteso I told her why I didn't think it would work
15:25.28DuTempeteand she replies with "well I think it's just fine, that claim the other person made about adoption solving overpopulation of shelters is sillier.  And oh, btw, I was chosen to do the semi finals with this speech."
15:25.37DuTempeteLittle does she know I'm a judge for the semi-finals...
15:25.59Kitanum
15:26.12Kitanhow does volunteerism solve animal homelessness?
15:26.16DuTempetehehehe
15:26.24Adysjesus fucking christ
15:26.30KitanWhat adys?
15:26.31Adyst6 on a gnome, wow.
15:26.37Adyswarlock warlock one
15:26.39Adyshttp://adys.stools.net/t6_gn_lo.jpg
15:26.39Kitanwow
15:26.40Shadowedis that a good christ
15:26.41Shadowedor a bad christ
15:26.52Kitaneither way ti si a masturbating christ
15:26.52ShadowedHAHAH
15:27.16DuTempetevolunteering in shelters is a great thing... lots of good things can come of it... but it isn't a viable solution to animal homelessness
15:27.46DuTempeteoh, baby... YEAH BABY... DO IT TO MELIKE THAT!!!
15:28.14DuTempete<--- gnome warlock
15:29.50DuTempeteThat right there is the ONLY thing good about Blizzard.
15:30.40DuTempeteI don't care if it's obsolete by the time I get there.  I WANT that set.
15:33.15Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Future_race_ideas
15:33.24Bagginswwupgraded pandaren section
15:34.29KitanI think I just witnessed a IRC orgasm for the first time
15:34.48Kitansleepy
15:34.58DuTempeteYou did.
15:35.37BagginswwHmm I think I should probably point out that the Alliance dwarves that the pandaren have ties to are the ones from bael modan
15:35.52Bagginswwwhich would put them at odds with tauren :)
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15:38.37Kitanso.....
15:38.40Kitanhungry....
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15:46.24Bagginswwso ya, basically Pandaren have reasons not to like trolls, they don't like blood elves, they probably be hated by most tauren. I'm pretty sure they probably don't like undead, since they were risen by unatural and arcane means...
15:46.49Bagginswwwell not most tauren, the ones that were forced off their lands near Bael Modan for sure
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15:54.58DuTempeteI could see the Pandaren becoming a playable race, but their supposed neutrality kind of makes that difficult, unless they were to create a two-sided race, which would be tough to fit into mechanics.
15:55.37DuTempeteReally, I could see anything that isn't already in game, or doens't have its own story line in game becoming a race.
15:55.59BagginswwI think Pandaren might be added as a neutral faction race later, if they ever make Pandaria
15:56.04DuTempeteBut if there's a storyline, or widespread use as a mob, such as the satyr, I doubt it will happen.
15:56.10DuTempeteas NPCs?
15:56.13Bagginswwright
15:56.21DuTempete*nod* I could see that.
15:56.28DuTempeteThat rumor has been around since before the beta.
15:56.45Bagginswwya well its one of hte few that actually has merits as "rumor"
15:56.57DuTempetenot just speculation from players
15:56.57Bagginswwmost race ideas were fan wet dreams
15:57.23DuTempetehehe
15:57.23DuTempetewell, so was the kodo mount
15:57.34Bagginswwbut ya it has merits as a rumor because reporters that went into BC conference room and saw pandaren plastered everywhere
15:57.49DuTempetelol
15:58.14DuTempetethat's either a divinely placed prank... or a big hint...
15:59.00BagginswwWell we know Pandaren are favs of several designers and artists. They have a huge lore history established in the RPG.
15:59.23Bagginswwwell partially convert4ed from the old april fool's joke and expanded on
15:59.49DuTempeteIf more races are added, I see them as being something that was previously never heard of, like the Draenei, or a race that has lore, but little to no participation in game, like the blood elves
16:00.09AdysDraeneis were heard of long before they were added :P
16:00.16DuTempeteoh were they?
16:00.19Adysjust they were changed a hell of a lot
16:00.21DuTempeteI'd never heard of them.
16:00.35DuTempeteOh, that's right, the alliance with the Burning Legion, wasn't it?
16:00.36Adysit has always been the rumored alliance race for bc
16:00.55Bagginswwwell both Eredar and Draenei existed
16:00.58Bagginswwabefore BC
16:00.58Adysbaggins, explain it :P Im gonna test something ^^
16:01.03DuTempetehaha
16:01.03Bagginswwbut the two were blended
16:01.12Bagginswwtheir histories got combined
16:01.30Bagginswwwe thought we'd get the lost ones, though LOL
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16:02.05BagginswwBut ya Draenei history itself goes back to WArcraft 1 manual.
16:02.33BagginswwEredar history originates from warcraft 3
16:02.54Bagginswwsome of the material from both was ignored in current version of history, but much of it made it into the lore.
16:06.04DuTempeteOf all those races, I think the most viable would be Children of Cenarius, Furbolg, Nerubian, Pandaren, Tuskarr, and Worgen(as horde),
16:06.04BagginswwChildrne of Cenarious I think probably not because of technical reasons
16:06.04Bagginswwsame for Nerubian
16:06.05Bagginswwnot to mention I don't think Nerubian's wear clothing?
16:07.40Bagginswwalthough they could make them wear clothing if they had to :p
16:07.40DuTempeteI don't see why they couldn't manage it.  They already ahve in game models, and all they would need are adjusted item models
16:07.40DuTempetelol the children of cenarius don't wear clothes, either
16:07.40Bagginswwanycase the designers have said that most races will probably be "humanoid"
16:07.41DuTempetewell that rules out nerubian
16:07.41Bagginswwchildren of cenarious wear braws sometimes
16:07.41DuTempetebras?
16:07.41Bagginswwfemales
16:07.41DuTempetehehe
16:07.41Bagginswwivy bras
16:07.41DuTempetewell I guess that wouldn't be any different from the rest of the races...
16:07.44Bagginswwbesides if children ever become playable, always room for the centaur :p
16:07.53Bagginswwalthough they are sometimes lumped into "children"
16:08.08DuTempeteI saw children of cenarius because they fit the bill in the same way the blood elves did
16:08.12DuTempetesaw = say
16:08.30Bagginswwin game though they tossed most children with the Cenarions
16:08.44Bagginswwso they are in a way allied to both horde and alliance
16:09.03DuTempeteI doubt the centaur thing... I think there's too much involvment in the game as mobs already
16:09.55BagginswwI'd personally like to know how centaur skisn made it outland into fel orc cities ;)
16:10.15DuTempetelol
16:10.26Bagginswwbut ya lore wise there are centaur tribes that have treaties with the alliance, and some with the horde.
16:10.51DuTempetethe tuskarr race seems very likely, similar to draenei
16:10.57Bagginswwbut not strong enough to go either way imo
16:11.02DuTempete*nod*
16:11.10BagginswwTuskarr are actually more likely to be alliance
16:11.17Bagginswwaccordnig to Lands of Mystery
16:11.35DuTempeteMost of the races I see on that list that I would expect woulod be alliance races.
16:11.49Bagginswwboth fight the scourge, and there is a market between the races
16:11.51DuTempeteI don't see anything that would be likely, and also likely to ally with horde
16:12.16Bagginswwwell Tuskarr have had more contact with alliance in Northrend
16:12.20Bagginswwand humans living there
16:12.29DuTempeteExcept maybe the Worgen... easy to create some lore attaching them to the Forsaken.
16:12.40Bagginswwthere have been human and dwarven colonies in Northrend for a long time
16:12.45DuTempete*nod*
16:12.54BagginswwWorgen, I personally question
16:13.05Bagginswwmost lore puts them to be highly xenophobi
16:13.31Bagginswwhate everything, attack everything, etc
16:13.33Tuqui-tuquihave pics of T6 been released?
16:13.33DuTempeteYou would be, too. =p
16:13.38Bagginswwthey even turned on night elves they "allied with"
16:13.41DuTempetelol
16:13.51DuTempetescroll up for an orgasmic pic of a gnome lock
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16:18.19Bagginswwwe are supposed to have more pandaren history in the upcoming Dark Factions book
16:18.26Bagginswwand yes the title of that book is misleading
16:18.42Bagginswwbasically they are using the book to lump together several independent factions
16:18.47Bagginswwmight even include Burning Legion
16:21.10Bagginswwpersonally i'm starting to think the race ideas table needs to be split into several tables, its hard to edit it now :p
16:22.53Tuqui-tuquihmm... where are people getting these warlock with wings T6 ideas from?
16:23.16Tuqui-tuquihttp://worldofraids.free.fr/news-patch/full-t6/warlock-t6.jpg
16:23.17Tuqui-tuquioh
16:23.18Tuqui-tuquihere we go
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16:23.45abecxhttp://worldofraids.free.fr/news-patch/full-t6/warlock2-t6.jpg
16:24.26BagginswwLOL
16:24.35Bagginswwthat's going to look bad if they enter certain doors
16:24.45Bagginswwits wider than an ogre
16:24.53Tuqui-tuquitru ^_^
16:24.56abecxhttp://worldofraids.free.fr/news-patch/full-t6/warrrior-t6.jpg  I dont understand the warrior sets
16:25.04abecxthey should look the coolest out of all the sets for tanking
16:25.31abecxhttp://worldofraids.free.fr/news-patch/full-t6/priest-t6.jpg  thats just hot
16:25.51Bagginswwkind of boring
16:26.18Bagginswwat least compared to other priest gear we ahve seen alread
16:26.30abecxI love the priest gear from naxx
16:26.34BagginswwI think they are running out of ideas
16:26.40abecxand teh warrior set from naxx
16:26.53abecxwell, last time they ran out of ideas, they just highered a new game model developer
16:27.00Bagginswwlol
16:27.17abecxthat was about the time Naxx came out if I remember correctly
16:27.22Bagginswwbut ya I questiont hose wings
16:27.47Bagginswwsince they are wider than most doors
16:27.50DuTempeteNooooo! Leave the wings alone!!!!
16:27.55Bagginswwit would look unrealistic
16:28.03abecxthey look cool, but you're right, way too freaking big, they shouldnt be any bigger than the ones on succubi
16:28.12Bagginswwif they add wings they should be in a "closed behind the bakc form
16:28.18DuTempetethe void effect is winder than most doors as well, and you can still walk through doors
16:28.25DuTempeteit doesn't have to be a solid object
16:28.50Bagginswwbut dutempte blizzard has stated earlire they won't give us playable ogres because they are bigger than most doors :p
16:29.09DuTempetethat's because the CHARACTER model is too big
16:29.14Bagginswwthey should follow their own "reasoning"
16:29.20abecxwell, they could just make them smaller
16:29.27DuTempetenoooooooo
16:29.29abecxlike how major NPC's are like 3 ft taller
16:29.30Bagginswwgraphically it looks bad when something larger than something else goes through the door
16:29.52DuTempetePCs walk through each other every day.
16:30.05Bagginswwthey made pcs solid once
16:30.16Bagginswwbut factions would block each other
16:30.22DuTempeteyeah, I think it was like that from release.
16:30.29abecxmy favorite is the gnome to tauren orb of deception on a mechno mount going through doors
16:30.36DuTempetehahaha
16:31.06abecxwith firewater ;p
16:31.06Bagginswwgnomes can get into places other races can't
16:31.06DuTempeteI need to get me one of those
16:31.25abecxthere is a chimney i used to get stuck in on my rogue out near scholomance in caer darrow
16:31.25Bagginswwbut ya blizzard has nerfed thing slike that in the past because it looked bad and unprofessional
16:31.25DuTempeteAye, but that's an example of the coding not thinking about anything other than the original *character* model
16:31.25abecxand gnome jumped in and ran out, I could not :(
16:31.39Bagginswwanyone remember when people could make themselves giants?
16:31.58DuTempeteWhen was that?
16:32.18Bagginswwrelease and first 2-3 patches
16:32.31Bagginswwbasically it involved use of engineering item
16:32.34DuTempeteI played then, but I don't really remember that.
16:32.51Bagginswwone of those potions
16:32.53Bagginswwthat makes you grow
16:33.02Bagginswwand troll spell that made people grow
16:33.11Bagginswwbasically all three used to stack
16:33.12DuTempeteI remember that gnomes used to get almost as tall as humans.
16:33.22Bagginswwwell horde had it even better
16:33.30Bagginswwafter all those abilities were stacked
16:33.34Bagginswwit made them absolutely huge
16:33.50Bagginswwlike talker than most horde buildings
16:34.06BagginswwI'm talking about those crossroads buildings
16:34.12DuTempeteThat probably explains why I hadn't seen it.  Except a small stint when I first started the beta, I've played alliance since beta2
16:34.15Bagginswworc fortresses
16:34.30Bagginswwbut htey were literally giants
16:34.32DuTempetehehe
16:34.35Bagginswwlike epic styled raid giants
16:34.46Bagginswwwas funny as hell
16:34.49BagginswwI've only seen videos though
16:34.53DuTempetei bet
16:34.58Bagginswwand read the patch notes where blizzard nefed it
16:35.16Bagginswwon the flipside itw as possible to shtring someone down to the size of a cockroach once too
16:35.21Bagginsww*shrink
16:35.31Bagginswwworld enlarger, noggenfoggers, and something else
16:35.40Bagginswwwhich was equally funny
16:35.52Bagginswwand stopped that because it made it very hard to attack the person
16:35.53DuTempeteThat I remember.
16:36.57Bagginswwas for the "growth" spell apparently there is a troll npc in one of the horde towns, that randomly tosses a buff on horde races that "enlarge them"
16:37.09Bagginswwdon't know if ti was tied to a quest
16:37.11Bagginswwor not
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16:58.29Adysheya skosiris
16:58.35Adysbtw, love wowinsider
16:58.38Skosirishey
16:58.40Adys"The 2.1 PTR notes have now been released for all to see. However, they are very long, at about 9500 words. For comparison, that's about 40% as long as Kafka's "Metamorphosis" (and almost as depressing, depending on what class you're playing)."
17:01.18Bagginswwlink?
17:01.27Skosiriswww.wowinsider.com
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17:04.17Bagginswwwonder where the entrance to Ethereum prison is
17:04.57DuTempeteIs 2.1 supposed to be out this coming tuesday?
17:05.36Bagginswwogri'la?
17:05.40DuTempeteomg... polymorph is now 8 seconds...
17:05.46DuTempeteplay on Shangri'la
17:05.52Bagginswwya silly
17:05.54Bagginswwimo
17:06.02DuTempeteI think that's the point
17:06.44Bagginswwgood thing they waited until after april 1st to release this LOL
17:09.16DuTempeteoh crap, they're increasing the dynamite damage in BF... like it wasn't bad enough
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17:18.22Adysit was like 150 oO
17:18.27Adysyou thinking of the mines
17:18.30Adysthat are 3500
17:20.57DuTempeteAdys, you are talking about the BF dynamite?
17:21.02Adysy
17:21.28DuTempeteWhen 2-3  technicians got together on a clothy, it was horrid
17:21.45DuTempetentm they cast it constantly
17:22.35DuTempeteas a warlock, I couldn't maintain HP with soul leech on each of them, and draining life at the same time, if I had 2-3
17:22.51DuTempetewith fel armor up
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17:31.43Bagginswwso furbolgs predate titans
17:32.40DuTempeteas in first instance of the lore or creation of the race?
17:32.51abecxbagginsww
17:32.52abecxwhat
17:33.03DuTempeteand wtf are titans? =P
17:33.11abecxWhere did you hear this
17:33.17Bagginswwreading Lands of Mystery
17:33.19Tuqui-tuquititans = big metal guys who create worlds
17:33.39Tuqui-tuquiby the way, speaking of lore
17:33.41DuTempeteok, so how exactly could the furbolgs predate the titans?
17:33.51Tuqui-tuquithe titans did not create Ezeroth?
17:33.52abecxtitans are not 'gods' imo
17:33.53Bagginswwthey were one of the original races apparently
17:33.58abecxno
17:33.59Tuqui-tuquithat means someone else did :o
17:34.00BagginswwTitans reshaped azeroth
17:34.07Bagginswwold gods had it before then
17:34.16Tuqui-tuquibut old gods did not create it
17:34.16abecxso basically furblogs where around when c'thun dominated azeroth
17:34.19Tuqui-tuquiit raises more questions
17:34.21Bagginswwmurlocs as far as we know also predate the world
17:34.31Bagginswwerm predate titans reshaping
17:35.06DuTempeteeh, this lore stuff isn't my bag
17:35.14Tuqui-tuquidragons were here too before that
17:35.16DuTempeteI do the technical stuff
17:35.24DuTempeteshow me a boss and I'll tell you how to kill it
17:35.24Tuqui-tuquiand we love you for it <3
17:35.25Bagginswwya there were early dragonflights
17:35.44DuTempeteask me how to play a class and I probably have tons of advice
17:35.51Bagginswwheh heh
17:36.06Tuqui-tuquispeaking of class, I need T5 gear -.-
17:36.16DuTempetemy fiance tries to argue lore with me sometimes, when I bring it up
17:36.23DuTempetemy eyes glaze over
17:36.35Bagginswwso anyways furbolgs apparently were originally from Northrend
17:36.50DuTempeteTuqui... go get some
17:37.31Tuqui-tuquibut I cant solo it -.-
17:37.42Bagginswwhmm oral histories of the furbolgs speak of the time when the Titans first stepped forth ont he world
17:37.43DuTempeteThere are solutions to that problem. =P
17:37.46Tuqui-tuquiI would if I could kite instance bosses out of raids :p
17:38.31DuTempeteIf you aren't willing to use any of the available solutions, I would advise not whining. =P
17:38.44Tuqui-tuquiI was just kidding :<
17:38.49DuTempetehehe
17:38.50Tuqui-tuqui</3
17:38.54DuTempete!
17:39.07Tuqui-tuquino chocolate chip cookie fo j0o! -.-
17:39.27DuTempeteI prefer snickerdoodles anyway.
17:40.03Bagginswwsnickerdoodles and choco/M&M etc chip are my fav cookies
17:40.04Tuqui-tuquilast time I touched my kitchen i ended up costing 2300 dollars =\
17:40.14DuTempetehaha
17:40.21DuTempeteI love to cook.
17:40.54DuTempeteBut when it gets around to the end of the semester, I make a meal maybe once a week.
17:41.02DuTempeteyay for tv dinners!
17:41.13Tuqui-tuqui:o
17:41.25Tuqui-tuquiI think I was boiling something and I left it on for too long
17:41.30DuTempetelmfao
17:41.32Tuqui-tuquiburned half my cabinets
17:41.49DuTempetewow
17:41.53DuTempetethat's impressive
17:42.13Tuqui-tuquiI always order in from now
17:42.19Tuqui-tuquifrom then on
17:42.21Tuqui-tuquiwhatever
17:42.22Tuqui-tuqui...
17:42.25DuTempetehehe
17:42.28Tuqui-tuquimy engrish is not working properly
17:42.33Tuqui-tuquinow, speaking of lore
17:42.38DuTempeteworking as intended
17:42.53Tuqui-tuquiwerent the gulborgs created by titans?
17:42.53Tuqui-tuquilet me check
17:43.05Tuqui-tuquicause I read somewhere that they were the first humanoid experiment
17:44.41Tuqui-tuquinope, those are not it
17:45.21DuTempeteOkies... I'm turning off all contacts with the outside world.  I need to get to paper/speech writing.
17:45.38DuTempetebbl
17:45.41Tuqui-tuquino!!!
17:45.43Tuqui-tuquicya o/
17:45.46Devilkoulanyone know the stats for teh new darkmoon rewards?
17:46.42Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Sargeras#Sargeras_Dead.3F
17:48.53Tuqui-tuqui:o
17:48.56Tuqui-tuquinice
17:52.57Bagginswwcreepy eh?
17:53.16Tuqui-tuquiyeah, I wonder if Blizzard will ever write about that
17:53.23Tuqui-tuquithe idea of Sargeras alive somewhere
17:53.35Bagginswwit was weird enough that his body wasn't in the tomb :)
17:53.53Bagginswwthe tomb that Aegwynn was supposed to have buried it in
17:55.00BagginswwFurbolg may have decended from early pandaren, who settled up in Northrend, becoming more feral or furbolg of Northrend discovered Pandaria and their culture became more contemplative.LoM 85
17:56.36Tuqui-tuquibut you dont see Panderans in WoW :<
17:56.49Tuqui-tuquiwhich makes their connection unknown
17:57.25Bagginswwsad I know :p
17:57.35Bagginswwthere is only one refrence to pandarens in wow
17:57.41Bagginswwmaybe 2
17:58.05BagginswwChen stormstout, and I think some kids discuss them in Stormwind.
17:58.24BagginswwAn NPC child that walks around Stormwind and fishes with two other NPCs tells unbelievable stories, one of them includes him saying this,"It's true! People have seen them! Pandaren really do exist!"
18:00.23Tuqui-tuquiso many unanswered questions -.-
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18:52.55BagginswwHmm here is an interesting theory
18:53.26BagginswwHardigan Ironjaw of the Thor Modan expedition believes Dwarves were created up in Northrend by the Titans
18:53.42Bagginswwand left there to see if they could survive on their own
18:54.11Bagginswwthey not only surived but flourished, spreading southward and into what would later become Kalimdor and the other continents
18:54.51BagginswwBrann doesn't agree with him though, but thinks there may be some connection since Titans were up there.
18:59.24Bagginswwhmm, added a new Half-elf to the half-elf article
18:59.28BagginswwMagistrate RAndalvarr
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19:46.00Kitanit got quiet in here
19:50.43Adysim always here, just say my name
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19:55.23DuTempeteDoes anyone know anything about government theory?
19:55.49Devilkoulmy friend google does
19:55.57DuTempetegoggle has failed me
19:56.00DuTempete*google
19:56.16DuTempeteask.com has failed me
19:56.22DuTempeteand so far, wikipedia has failed me
19:56.32Devilkoul:/
19:56.36DuTempeteyeah
19:56.38DuTempetehehe
19:58.40KitanI don't want to bug you Adys if you are PvPing or something :)
19:58.47Adysmm?
19:58.53AdysIm here
19:58.56Kitan<Adys> im always here, just say my name
19:59.05Adysdont worry =P
19:59.07Kitansometimes you are in another window playign.. no reason to bug you out of the game
19:59.13Kitanif I am just bored at work. :-P
19:59.20Adyshey why not! Multitasking for the win
19:59.42DuTempeteThat's why IRC is on my laptop, and WoW is on my PC =P
19:59.52KitanI do that at home too
20:00.04Adyswell actually i play in windowed mode
20:00.05Kitanwith my work laptop :-D
20:00.14Adyswith miranda running both msn and irc, and firefox in the background
20:00.15Adysits lovely
20:00.16DuTempetecripes, i couldn't do that
20:00.24DuTempetewhat's miranda, anyway?
20:00.42Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Burning_Blade_%28Shadow_Council%29
20:00.43DuTempeteother than an evil codeword from Serenity
20:01.12AdysMiranda is an irc client, msn client, aim client, yim client, jabber client and icq client
20:01.17sancusmiranda is an im client
20:01.26sancusand also a terrible, terrible functional programming language used only in academia
20:01.34DuTempetelol
20:01.50Devilkoul:P
20:02.06DuTempeteTrillian is the only multi-client proggie I've heard of =P
20:02.07sancusI tried the im client and ditched it for some reason I don't remember
20:02.12sancusprobably didn't like it's message history or something
20:03.19Adysit kinda sucks tbh
20:03.24Adysbut im used to it now
20:03.28Adysand its hard breaking habbits
20:03.46DuTempeteI could never figure out how to use Trillian's IRC client.
20:03.51Teomyri like miranda, just not for irc
20:03.57DuTempeteBut I'm loving Chatzilla
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20:04.18sancusone of the developers of that is around here... somewhere
20:04.39DuTempeteI wouldn't be surprised.
20:04.45Teomyrwho could that be
20:04.48sancuswell I'm in the mozilla office so it's not surprising
20:04.55DuTempetelol
20:04.56sancusand I meant in the office
20:05.01sancusvlad doesn't touch Chatzilla
20:05.34DuTempeteChatzilla is still supported outside of Mozilla, isn't it?
20:06.26sancuswhat do you mean
20:06.30DuTempeteBut yeah, this is even easier to use than mIRC
20:07.03Adysmirc sucks
20:07.20DuTempeteWell, I guess it's supported just like any of the other community addons, but there's an actual team behind Chatzilla, with their own website and such.
20:07.44kbrosnanhttp://chatzilla.hacksrus.com
20:07.44DuTempeteyeah, in my experience, it does.
20:07.50DuTempeteright
20:08.17sancusI don't really like chatzilla
20:08.20sancusI do like mirc though!
20:08.28Johan1923hey guys, ive got a question (not sure if it can be done or how), in my mod ive got edit boxes to input data (and a checkbox), how would i go about making that data save between game sessions? cuase right now the data stays there during the session but when u reloadui or relog, the data goes away (which i understand why, cuase it isnt set up to save) but can it be done?
20:09.37Johan1923id like for it to be saveavle via clicking the save button i have included in the frame, jes not sure if im wasting my time with it or not
20:09.46DuTempetewell you're just wierd, sancus
20:10.34DuTempeteWell it needs to go into the client's documentation files, I think, Johan1923
20:10.47DuTempeteLike SavedVariables or something liek that... or mebbe a cache
20:10.49TeomyrJohan1923: using the save button would be the right approach. use lua code then to store it in a SavedVariable, and set the text of the input box to that stored variable when your addon loads
20:11.29TeomyrJohan1923: but in general, places like #wowi-lounge are better to ask about wow interface development ;)
20:12.05DuTempeteWe're just the WoWWiki editing junkies in here.
20:12.20DuTempeteWell, there's Bagginsww, who is a Lore junkie...
20:12.29Teomyrcorrect, DuTemplate
20:13.00Johan1923aye, i do apologize, i was jes here last night, Clad an couple others helped me actually get my mod off the ground, so i figured this would be a good place to ask since i wasnt sure where to look exactly
20:13.10DuTempeteDamnit, get it straight, it's DuGabarit!
20:13.30Johan1923im terribly new to the whole modding thing hehe
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20:14.33Bagginswwya I'm also neutral lore junky I have interest in all the retconned material as well. to look at the evolution of the story and how its changed from the beginning'
20:14.33DuTempeteHeh, I tried that once, and realized I didn't care enough to learn a whole new language.  I get enough yayas out of web design.
20:14.43DuTempeteYou're also a freak of nature, Bagginsww.
20:15.05DuTempeteI'll never understand history buffs.
20:15.07BagginswwI'm a nature freak too ;) Love geology, biology, anthropology etc
20:15.13DuTempetelol
20:15.43Bagginswwlearning languages though, that's tough :p]
20:15.50BagginswwI don't think I'd enjoy linquistics
20:16.08DuTempeteIt can be when you do it alone.
20:16.08Bagginswwactually I think I"d prefer conversational
20:16.09DuTempeteI wish I had gotten some immersion with my spanish and french.
20:16.09TeomyrI also enjoy learning languages, but i prefer the programming ones
20:16.24Bagginswwbiggest problem is learning a language but never getting to utalize it
20:16.28DuTempeteThose are fun, too, Teomyr.
20:16.32Bagginswwit starts to fade
20:16.34DuTempeteyeah
20:16.47DuTempeteI took two years of spanish, and can barely remember one year of it.
20:16.53Bagginswwsame
20:16.55Devilkoulsame
20:17.17DuTempeteBut the good part about that time spent is that I know the concepts behind most of it, and I just need to re-acquaint myself from time to time.
20:17.36DuTempeteI only took one semester of French, though.  Sorry, Adys.
20:17.41Adysmm?
20:17.43Bagginswwwell, bbl, off to get some wonderful tasting, yet deadly american/chinese food.
20:17.48Devilkoullate
20:17.51DuTempeteHense my blatant grammar oops.
20:18.44DuTempeteoooh
20:18.44DuTempeteyummy
20:18.44AdysHence?
20:18.44Teomyri've been tortured with french at school for 5 years :P
20:18.44DuTempeteoh, whatever! =P
20:18.44DuTempetetortured?
20:18.44DuTempeteHow can you be tortured by French?
20:19.11Teomyrusing class tests
20:19.18DuTempetelol
20:20.02DuTempeteDespite my rather settled adult life, I'm really tempted to take a semester overseas in Italy.  Some kind of immersion program.  That's the one language I REALLY want to learn.
20:20.12DuTempeteAnd I know people who speak it here, that I can talk to.
20:20.33Devilkoulthat'd be cool
20:20.38Devilkouloh, to be a student again.  :P
20:20.53DuTempeteNot that there aren't plenty of spanish speaking americans... I'd just rather not encourage them. =P
20:21.18DuTempeteI like my billboards in English, tyvm. =P
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20:29.36Skosirislet's all say "Vlad!" at once, maybe doing so will summon him
20:30.11SkosirisVlad!
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20:30.59vlad_send me mail
20:31.13vlad_vladimir@pobox.com
20:32.50SkosirisWill do, thanks :)
20:37.29DuTempeteOk, I'm out again, to work on my evil shiz.
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21:35.31Devilkoulhttp://novelconcepts.co.uk/FlashElementTD/
21:35.35Devilkoulyay tower wars
21:36.08Devilkoulnew version is nice
21:37.51clad|workyay =)
21:37.53clad|worklove that game
21:39.14Devilkoulit's good for avoiding work on a friday
21:39.15Devilkoul:P
21:42.19SkosirisAdys
21:42.25Adysaye
21:43.02SkosirisUncategorized spells will have their own tab in search results
21:43.11AdysLove you :)
21:44.29AdysWhen does that apply btw?
21:44.34Skosirisbtw, did you guys notice the swift presence of Vlad?
21:45.00SkosirisI managed to summon him for 1-2 seconds
21:45.19Adysaye
21:45.45Adyshes usually around and quiet
21:45.51Adysand he wakes up when Im not here anymore!
21:47.12Adyshttp://www.wowhead.com/?spell=11 what the hell is that?
21:47.47Skosiriswhy do you ask me? :P
21:48.01Adyshttp://www.wowhead.com/?spell=265
21:48.20Adyswhy do these things end up categorized? :P
21:48.27Skosirisgood point, I'll look into this
21:49.07AdysWhen does your change take effect btw?
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21:54.10Skosirisas soon as I release the latest version of the site
21:54.36Adysnice
22:17.17BagginswwI won't understand why "Pained" was redirected to "Aegwynn" :p
22:17.28Bagginsww*well I don't
22:17.51Bagginswwweird case of speculation gone wild LOL
22:26.08Teomyrlol
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22:40.34nemppuhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlLWvIERidY
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23:06.59Kasohttp://www.wowwiki.com/Recipe:_Flask_of_Chromatic_Resistance
23:07.04Kasoi have no idea why thats wrong
23:08.11Teomyrkaso, indenting markup with spaces makes it appear pre-formatted (<pre>...</pre>)
23:09.13Kasohmm
23:09.26Teomyrwhich is what happens on this page. there's a space in front of {{Elinks-item|13522}}
23:09.31Kasoyah i notice now
23:09.41Kasoit never used to happen like that with the template
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23:32.31Adysya theres a couple of reasons why I hate miranda
23:32.33Adyshello Kaso
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