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00:37.06Finaloha!
00:37.13Psyker7hail
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00:48.06AdysFIN!
00:48.09Adysoh finally
00:48.13Psyker7?
00:48.15Adysfin-ally, hahaha
00:48.16Adysnvm
00:48.24Psyker7k i wont :)
00:49.14Finhahahaha
00:49.17Adysthanks
00:49.27Finlol!
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00:54.52Finhuh
00:54.57Finsomeone's registered wowwwiki.com
00:56.21sancuswhy not register wowwwwiki.com
00:59.07Finthat's a rhetorical question, isn't it
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01:35.51MontaggHow come they never made SimCity multiplayer?
01:53.43Finspore
01:53.44MontaggI stand corrected.
01:56.54Psyker7how is it multiplayer?
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02:25.23Finit's not quite multiplayer as I understand it, but the stuff other people create becomes part of your world
02:25.49Finthey're bound to add some sort of direct multiplayer stuff at some point though... well, I would anyway
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02:52.40Sky2042evening folks
02:56.55MontaggEvening Sky2042.
03:05.47Sky2042i need some random conversation right now... whose with me?
03:06.50Finnow look what you've done, psh
03:07.04Sky2042lol
03:07.19Sky2042guess kirk isn't afk anymore :x
03:28.07Sky2042its soooooo slow
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06:41.15Deathfacehey anyone alive?
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06:56.12MontaggBeen pretty dead recently.
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09:22.12Zeallo all
09:22.18Zealnetsplits ftl
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09:37.44Zealhey Adys
09:37.49Adysalo
09:39.20Zealhm.. last night's lorekeepers was merely Q&A
09:41.55Adysdidnt listen to it
09:47.33Zealme either
09:47.35Zeal:p
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10:13.12Zealget pissed off when podcasts change their feed
10:13.18Zealhave to redownload everything..
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11:14.48Zealwb :o
11:32.32AdysARGH
11:32.32AdysI hate my connexion
11:32.32Adysevery time I use the fucking phone I get dc'd
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11:33.32Adys...
11:33.42Kirkburn|afklol
11:33.56Adysi tabbed and miranda crashed
11:33.59Adysi hate miranda too
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11:44.15winkillerkvirc!
11:48.47Kirkburn|afkOff to Uni, back proper this afternoon
11:48.56Kirkburn|afk(Zeal, not hiding, working :P )
12:02.41Zeallol
12:02.42Zealoh ffs
12:02.46Zealgg vegas, you're shit
12:03.01Zealbloody video clips is catching liek a 1 second pause of video that doesn't exist..
12:04.37Zealand i can't find out how to permenantly cut sound from a video..
12:04.48Zealcan onyl do it it the trimmer before dragging..
12:09.26Zealand it keeps dying out and giving me blank video.. gg
12:10.44Adyssounds like you having fun
12:14.30Zealno >_<
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13:32.56Kirkburn|afkYay for extensions!
13:34.45Kirkburn|afkFor without them, I would be in deep brown stuff
13:34.49Kirkburn|afkNot chocolate, unfortunately
13:35.30Kirkburn|afkI severly misjudged this project I was supposed to do, some people have written/drawn about 25 pages for it. I've done 2 (two) so far.
13:35.59Kirkburn|afkSomething for this evening, because I feel CS:S calling to me
13:36.21KirkburnLook, you want me to not be afk, and now you all bloody ignore me ;)
13:37.16KirkburnI hate you, and you, mmm, yes you, you, oh certainly you, ooh you're on the verge though - still on the hate side, you, you and you.
13:41.40KirkburnSTOP BLOODY CRASHING YOU STUPID NVIDIA DRIVERS
13:42.56Kirkburn4 failures and recoveries in an immediate row
13:44.03KirkburnSo anyway, how is everyone today?
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13:46.59Kirkburnhullo Tepetkhet
13:47.08TepetkhetHello there.
13:47.56TepetkhetUh oh.  I'm in trouble.
13:47.58KirkburnYou missed my rants about Life, the Universe and Everything :P
13:48.06KirkburnOooh? o_O
13:48.34TepetkhetAn op's saying hi to me.  I must be in trouble.  ;)
13:48.40Kirkburnheehee
13:52.59KirkburnRandomness: Vanguard needs to be elevated by Vista's UAC every time - wow that's bad coding. And for a brand new game, too :/ I mean, WoW is years old and doesn't have that problem on Vista
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14:06.08Ore_hello
14:06.19equiraptorHello.
14:06.23Tepetkhethi
14:06.29Ore_how is everyon?
14:06.37TepetkhetTired.
14:06.43Ore_bummer
14:07.02KirkburnHulloo
14:07.03equiraptorOddly enough, I'm awake and alert on my drive to work.
14:07.09equiraptorBut as soon as I get there, I feel like I could take a nap.
14:07.21Ore_yeah, cant blame yah
14:08.02KirkburnThough I know this is probably obvious, make sure wherever you are is well ventilated and brightly lit
14:08.12equiraptorHrm....
14:08.17equiraptorThe lights are off...
14:08.32KirkburnSunlight is enough, assuming you have ... enough.
14:08.43equiraptorIt's not *breezy*, but there are lots of air vents...
14:08.49equiraptorSunlight? Hah! Not a prayer.
14:08.55Kirkburnlol
14:08.57equiraptorThe only light is from the hallway and my monitors. :)
14:09.05Ore_uhoh
14:09.06equiraptorI could go work outside for a bit. But...
14:09.24Ore_whats the temp outside?
14:09.24KirkburnYou can't chat to us out there ^^
14:09.27equiraptorSomeone else will show up soon and turn on the lights.
14:09.33equiraptorDude... Wireless. :-P
14:09.38Ore_hehe
14:09.41KirkburnYay
14:09.48equiraptorThough sunlight doesn't make it into the room, the wireless makes it out. ;)
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14:10.07Smoketyooo
14:10.11KirkburnHeya
14:10.13Ore_hey
14:10.16Ore_how goes it?
14:10.31SmoketOk... What server you guys from?
14:10.38Kirkburnequiraptor, I get barely any light in my bedroom, got a big wall about 1 metre from my window :/
14:10.47Ore_Anvilmar
14:10.52SmoketStonemaul Here
14:10.58KirkburnPlus there's the fact 5/6 lights in here have died and I'm too lazy to sort them out.
14:11.07KirkburnNot this is an international channel :)
14:11.10Kirkburn*note
14:11.23Kirkburn<-- Dragonblight EU
14:11.38Ore_i like EU servers
14:11.49Ore_much better then the US servers
14:12.08SmoketDamn... Do you guys know of anyone who is an orc who has a Blood Elf mount? I think im gonna be one of the firsts...
14:12.08KirkburnWhy so?
14:12.28Ore_crowd seems nicer, less argumentative
14:12.33KirkburnNot come across one, not that I play horde
14:12.44Smoket!!!
14:12.54KirkburnHow close are you Smoket ?
14:13.03Smoket8,000 / 21,000
14:13.11SmoketI just started Friday though..
14:13.23Ore_not bad for 5 days of work
14:13.31KirkburnOre_, cool. I think the fact it's many different countries together helps, plus the difficulty that gives for gold selling, etc.
14:13.51SmoketYep... Average around 10k+ Honor per day Ninja looting insignias all day lolz....
14:14.03KirkburnNot runecloth?
14:14.30SmoketThey only give 75 rep... not to mention the prices are inflated to shit so its like 4g a stack...
14:15.02KirkburnWow, only 1g50 on my server
14:15.11Kirkburn(ooold server)
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14:15.14SmoketI would of bought every one of those out :P
14:15.24KassHello.
14:15.32Ore_wow, i thought i was on an expensive server
14:15.33KirkburnHello there
14:15.40Ore_hello
14:15.55KassNew to all this irc stuff, bear with me please. :)
14:16.04Ore_yeah, i am too
14:16.05Smoketyep... A stack of Thorium Bars is like 40g on Stonemaul... gg...
14:16.11Ore_no idea what the commands are
14:16.19KassGood, I'm not alone then. :)
14:17.03Ore_lol, nope
14:17.26KirkburnYou don't need to know any tbh
14:17.39Ore_is anyone in a raiding guild?
14:17.47SmoketMe... somewhat
14:17.51TepetkhetYes and no.
14:17.58KassAnyone mind sharing some tips about hunters? New to this and the CLASS link on wowwiki.com isn't working....
14:18.02Smoket2nd on the Horde side of stonemaul
14:18.13KirkburnIf you want to send PMs or want to make sure you keep your name, register with freenode. Oh and /me is cool :P
14:18.14TepetkhetFor the Horde!
14:18.47KassMade a new hunter and have trained the pet from the pet trainer, etc... but can't figure out how to get the cat to learn things like prowl, claw, etc.... Do I need different pets to learn this?
14:18.53KirkburnKass, the class link isn't working??
14:19.06KassRight.
14:19.34Kirkburnhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Hunter
14:19.36KassGives a database error.
14:19.40equiraptorAt least you admit it instead of pretending you do. ;)
14:19.44KassOk, thanks, Kickburn.
14:19.56KassHehe, not me. Don't know a thing about Apple/Mac. Linux ftw :)
14:20.03KirkburnHmm, certainly shouldn't give a database error - if it happens, just try again a couple of second later
14:20.04Ore_hehe
14:20.12equiraptorMac OS X is everything Linux on the desktop wants to be except free. :-P
14:20.19Ore_well
14:20.23Kirkburnequiraptor, MacBooks are flatter ... right? :P
14:20.26KassHeheh.
14:20.29Ore_OS X is the actual interface
14:20.30equiraptorKirkburn: Just a little bit... ;)
14:20.31SmoketWindows is good for me
14:20.31KassWill do, Kirkburn, thanks much.
14:20.44equiraptorOre_: OS X is an OS. It uses the Darwin kernel and Aqua for the GUI.
14:20.56SmoketHas anyones guild downed Gruul yet?
14:21.04KirkburnYes, I think so
14:21.06equiraptorIt would actually be more fair to compare OS X to, say, Fedora.
14:21.17TepetkhetOr FreeBSD.  ;)
14:21.17SmoketMy guild killed High king
14:21.30KassAny Kirin Tor people here?
14:21.40equiraptorTepetkhet: Except it IS FreeBSD, just polished. ;) (ok, not really, but it does include FreeBSD code...)
14:21.44KirkburnFirst kill was Feb 3rd!
14:22.02SmoketFrom your Server?
14:22.06KirkburnNo, from all
14:22.10Smoketoh lolz
14:22.12Kirkburn"February 3 2007 by Nihilum (http://nihilum.co.uk)"
14:22.25Kirkburn(.co.uk ftw)
14:22.41Ore_hehe, ok, well, 'Aqua' is the interface developed by mac, its build on top of the darwin kernel which, if i remember correctly (please let me know if this isnt right) is an off-shoot of the mach micro kernal
14:22.45KirkburnMaybe you could compare OS X to ... Vista   o_O  =)
14:22.50equiraptorKirkburn: Ok.
14:22.53Ore_yeah
14:22.59equiraptorKirkburn: Vista is, in many ways, a rip off of OS X.
14:23.01Ore_i can compare OS X to vista
14:23.02KirkburnNo don't...
14:23.05equiraptorKirkburn: It's also bigger, slower, and lamer.
14:23.11SmoketWho else thinks an orc on a Blood Elf mount would look ill as hell?!?
14:23.23KirkburnNote that I have Vista :)
14:23.37TepetkhetIf by ill you mean bad, sure.
14:23.37KassRunning Vista here at work as well...
14:23.41Ore_OSX is to Vista as a tire is to a ball
14:23.44equiraptorOre_: Aqua is the GUI interface. Therei s also a CLI interface for OS X that does not relate to Aqua (unless you ask it to).
14:23.45KassHehe, be funn, Smoket.
14:24.15Kass*funny
14:24.17SmoketWhatever your all just mad cause my bird looks better than your dumb elephants...
14:24.19Ore_how do we send PM's back to a user?
14:24.26Kasslol
14:24.30KirkburnYou have to register with freenode
14:24.46Ore_im getting PMs back to people and i cant message back, sorry guys
14:24.52Ore_:p
14:25.00Kirkburnhttp://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
14:25.08Ore_thank you much, sir
14:25.26KirkburnNo problemo
14:26.39Ore_ahh, nickserv just pooped at me!
14:26.52Kirkburno.O
14:27.04SmoketUmm
14:29.22Kasshow do i know if it registered my name, please?
14:29.33KirkburnTry PMing someone :)
14:29.57Kassumm.. how?
14:30.12KassGot it, thanks, Kirkburn.
14:30.17KirkburnResponded?
14:30.34KassYep.
14:30.39KirkburnNot got anything :(
14:31.20KirkburnOre_, success!
14:31.26KassGot it, Ore_
14:31.32Kassbut guess you didnt get my reply..heh
14:32.00Ore_now, how do i send a PM?
14:32.11KassYou sent me one.. heh
14:32.13KassI replied.
14:32.18KirkburnKass, you should just need to type /nickserv register YOURPASSWORD
14:32.22Ore_yeah, i clicked on your name
14:32.24KassGot it, thanks.
14:32.46SmoketNightbane is in kara right?
14:32.50Ore_is there a way to send it without having to switch back and fourth?
14:33.08KirkburnSmoket, yup
14:33.18KirkburnOre_, not sure what you mean
14:33.59KirkburnPrivate conversation appear in a separate window, if that's what you mean
14:35.15KassHeheh, ah well, guess it doesn't like me much. Heh, I'll try it later. I get a message that says *nickserv* register <password> but the PMs are not going through I guess.
14:37.16KirkburnOdd
14:38.04KassIt's not a Mac, I guess.. *poke*
14:40.10KirkburnGoing semi-afk, whilst I kill people with a ak-47 :P
14:40.13Tepetkhethm
14:40.17Ore_hahaha
14:40.18TepetkhetThat doesn't sound good.
14:40.43TepetkhetDoes anybody happen to know how I'd go about getting some nice WoW-related forum icons?
14:41.06Ore_not a clue :(
14:41.12KirkburnGood question, but same as Ore
14:41.24Ore_you might be able to google them
14:41.29TepetkhetI tried.
14:41.36Ore_hmmmm
14:41.44Ore_lets take a look see
14:43.27Ore_i found this on the official WoW site
14:43.29Ore_http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/iconinfo.html?sid=1
14:43.39Ore_if you havent seen it yet
14:43.50KassWhat forum software?
14:44.01TepetkhetNot what I was looking for, but thanks.
14:44.15Tepetkheterm...using what's built into e107 CMS.
14:44.24TepetkhetBut I don't think it matters.
14:44.38KassAhh.. no idea. Sorry.
14:45.13TepetkhetI could probably convert icons for another forum's software.
14:45.16Zeali have no idea where the codec settings are, lols. uncompressed atm
14:45.21Tepetkheter
14:45.32TepetkhetSomething like that.
14:45.45Kasshttp://www.softlookup.com/display.asp?id=12617   (( couple popups though ))
14:46.41ZealWC3 Opening video ftw.. one and only large scale batter scene :(
14:49.25Ore_so, my guild is going to run AQ20 pretty soon, does anyone have any advice for me? its my first time running it.
14:51.29TepetkhetWhat level are your guildies that will be going?
14:51.47Ore_58-60+
14:52.03TepetkhetTry to get friendly with Cenarion Circle if you aren't already.
14:52.16TepetkhetGet the Perfect Poison quest from Cenarion Hold if you haven't already.
14:52.16Ore_yeah, pretty cool with Cenarion Circle
14:52.40TepetkhetMake sure people actually bring bandages.
14:52.53Tepetkhet(The usual raid preparedness stuff)
14:53.27Ore_yeah, we need to stock up on healing pots
14:53.37TepetkhetPoison cleansing abilities are good to have.  A couple shaman to drop cleaning totems would be nice.
14:53.46Ore_bandages, mana pots etc.
14:53.58TepetkhetDruid root is also handy.
14:54.05Ore_dont think we have any shaman that are that highlevel yet
14:54.17TepetkhetOh.  Who cleanses poisons for Alliance?
14:54.20Ore_ooh, good to know
14:54.29Ore_we can get anti-venoms
14:54.39Ore_Priests
14:54.41TepetkhetYeah, but you go through those so fast.
14:54.51Ore_hmm
14:54.53Ore_true
14:54.57TepetkhetDon't paladins get a cleaning thingy?
14:55.01Ore_yeah
14:55.13TepetkhetThen bring at least a couple of them and make sure they're on their ball.
14:55.19Ore_Paladins and Holy spec Priests
14:55.37Ore_oh man, my guild needs Priests like...
14:55.41TepetkhetThe wasp guys do this poison spitting thing that makes you take way more damage when you're charged by them.
14:55.46TepetkhetI think.
14:55.48Ore_like something that needs something very badly
14:56.00equiraptorSince when could priests cleanse poison?
14:56.02Ore_good to know
14:56.04TepetkhetIf you get past the Rajaxx event, and want to do Moam...
14:56.08equiraptorI thought it was pallies and druids.
14:56.17Ore_maybe it is druids
14:56.21Ore_no
14:56.23Ore_wait
14:56.25TepetkhetYou will need about 3 or 4 each warlocks and priests.
14:56.31Ore_priests can dispell curses, right?
14:56.41TepetkhetI think it's 4 warlocks and 3 priests.
14:56.49TepetkhetThey do a mana drain thingy on Moam.
14:56.50AdysOre_: no
14:56.51equiraptorI think they can do disease, curse, and magic, but I'm not sure.
14:57.01AdysMages and druids only
14:57.01equiraptorMaybe it's just disease and magic.
14:57.06TepetkhetKurinnaxx is my favourite fight in the game.
14:57.13TepetkhetHe's the first boss in AQ20.
14:57.24SmoketVael and Nef are pretty sick imo
14:57.37TepetkhetWell, he's my favourite boss to fight.  I'm a rogue.
14:57.44Adysnef is fun
14:57.51Adysbut not specially sick
14:58.05TepetkhetHere's the strategy we use.  It is pretty easy to defeat Kurinnaxx with this.
14:58.16TepetkhetYou have 3 tanks.
14:58.25SmoketEveryone just stand there and tank Kuri cause he hits for like 300
14:58.30Smoketand dipi ess!
14:58.31TepetkhetYou line everybody else up in 2 rows.
14:58.43TepetkhetNah, the sand traps.
14:59.11TepetkhetKurinnaxx spawns these sand traps.  They will silence your casters and do large amounts of damage when they explode.
14:59.21TepetkhetWhen you see one of them spawning, STRAFE away or RUN forward.
14:59.31TepetkhetDo not back away because you won't get away from it in time.
14:59.48TepetkhetThese spawn at random points throughout the fight.
15:00.10TepetkhetSo.  You have the steps at one end where you come down and first see Kuri.
15:00.22TepetkhetKuri's in a sort of indentation in the ground.
15:00.35SmoketKurinaxx is so easy, you can easily pug it...
15:01.02TepetkhetLine your people up in 2 rows in a line from the stairs to the pit near Kuri.  Of course, don't get close enough to aggro when you're setting up the lines.
15:01.17Ore_is there anyway to stop Kurnnaxx from spawning the sand traps?
15:01.19TepetkhetTanks kite Kuri back and forth from the steps to the pit.
15:01.20Tepetkhetno
15:01.33Ore_didnt think so
15:01.34Ore_hehe
15:01.54TepetkhetKuri will put a debuff on your tanks so rotate them out when they get a stack on them.
15:02.16SmoketHEY TEPETKHET HOW CAN WE STOP THESE SAND TRAPS FROM KILLING OUR CASTERS THAT HIT FOR 9K DMG, OH WAIT THEY DONT THEY HIT FOR 1K SO LETS JUST DPS THIS GUY DOWN
15:02.27Ore_do those have to run the course?
15:02.34Ore_whoa, caps
15:02.40TepetkhetIf you kite kuri back and forth like that, your tanks and melee DPS don't get hit so much with the sandtraps.
15:02.56SmoketI seriously hope you all die in a fire
15:02.59TepetkhetSmoket: That was completely unnecessary.
15:03.17Ore_ok, anyway...
15:03.38TepetkhetHaving your casters silenced by the sandtraps or one/two-shotted by them isn't fun for a growing raiding guild.
15:03.53Ore_kite kuri back and forth, avoiding the sand traps
15:03.54TepetkhetSo stuff it and stop being so elitist.
15:05.17Ore_hehe /ignore FTW!
15:05.41TepetkhetOre_: I am going on the assumption that you are just starting your raiding career as a guild.
15:08.30Ore_brb everone
15:10.19SmoketSeriously who is doing AQ20 when karazhan is out
15:10.29SmoketMidnight is like free loot
15:10.30SmoketSeriously
15:10.59AdysGuess who's doing aq20 when karazhan is out:
15:11.01Adyshttp://data2.blog.de/media/553/1176553_a70d3b2840_l.jpg
15:11.29Smoketpff
15:11.34Smoketthat aint shit neukka
15:12.01Smoketyou just took a picture of 4 people who just pugged a kuri kill
15:12.33AdysWhat would tell you that?
15:12.43TepetkhetYou just tried to insult people you don't know on IRC.
15:12.48Adyshttp://www.ad-eternium.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1380
15:13.13Smoketpff
15:13.27Ore_is that guy still going at it?
15:13.42SmoketSo you guys are pretty much all bolded out?
15:13.54TepetkhetWhat are you even talking about?
15:14.09TepetkhetOre_: Apparently.
15:14.18SmoketT3 dungeon set... Bold
15:14.24SmoketThe tanks are wearing bold
15:14.32Smoketdurka durrrr
15:14.57Adyswhere do you see t3 on that pic lol
15:15.00TepetkhetNo, and gratz.  You're on my /ignore as well.
15:15.36TepetkhetIt smells funny when you talk out your ass.
15:15.43Ore_hahaha
15:15.51Smoketpff
15:16.23SmoketI'm not too worried that I get ignored by someone who practices there kurinaxx strats all day.
15:16.45Adyssmoket you should leave this chan then before someone forces you out :)
15:17.15Adysnot asking you to like people or what they do but to respect them, thats the point
15:17.36Ore_im unignoring him just to see what he's saying
15:19.30SmoketWhatever, Sorry that im not perfecting the kurinaxx strat like other bad people in the channel.
15:19.56Ore_its the wowwiki channel
15:19.56*** kick/#wowwiki [Smoket!n=Miranda@APoitiers-256-1-156-241.w90-30.abo.wanadoo.fr] by Adys (Adys)
15:20.08Ore_haha
15:20.10Ore_ok
15:20.25Adysthis is officially the kurinaxx strategy perfecting channel
15:20.37Adysand anyone who has a problem with that can leave..
15:20.51Kirkburn\/o
15:20.53Kirkburnuh
15:20.55Kirkburn\o/
15:22.00TepetkhetI guess some people just rolled their character yesterday and immediately shot to level 70 with full epics and one-shotted Magtheridon or whatever his name is?
15:22.07Adyslol hes on the wowi-lounge now
15:22.23equiraptorI'm all about drama. ;)
15:22.36equiraptorWitnessing it, not causing it.
15:24.22KirkburnArgh, doing badly on CS:S
15:27.48Kirkburn3 kills 14 deaths
15:28.10equiraptoreep.
15:28.34equiraptorThere was a lazertag place where I would occasionally play...
15:28.48equiraptorI really liked this one particular place, because their area had a spot where I could hide.
15:29.00equiraptorI could see anyone coming before they could see me, from any direction, all at once.
15:29.17equiraptorI didn't getmany kills, 'cuz not many people came that way, but no one ever killed me.
15:29.31Kirkburn4/15 now :P
15:29.40KirkburnI'm on ag_rats
15:29.42equiraptorI suck at FPS, though.
15:30.02KirkburnI want to be playing Call of Duty, but Vista has problems with it :/
15:30.46equiraptor:(
15:38.44equiraptorWhy, oh, why, oh why can't people follow directions!
15:39.08equiraptor"mount the nfs share by using the following comand:" <--- the guide.
15:39.08Kirkburn6/17
15:39.15equiraptorThe question? "How do I login as root to the server?"
15:39.20Kirkburnntfs?
15:39.20equiraptor@%(!*#(%@)
15:39.39equiraptorYOU DON'T. IT'S A SERVER! I don't even log in as root and I'M THE ADMIN!
15:39.44equiraptorNo, nfs. Network File System.
15:39.47equiraptorIt's a *nix thing.
15:39.49avaiasudo ftw
15:39.50KirkburnAh, okay :)
15:40.06equiraptoravaia: Yup. I <3 sudo. :)
15:40.31equiraptorI don't even know the root password. :/
15:42.26equiraptorThis person is using a how-to that someone else gave her. I didn't write that how-to. Neither did the previous admin of this system.
15:42.46avaiatime to update some docs then
15:42.49equiraptorNo one who actually has any authority on that network wrote that how-to. So it's wrong.
15:42.54equiraptorThey are updated.
15:43.01equiraptorShe just refuses to use the updated ones.
15:43.05avaiahaw
15:43.11avaiaWHY NO WORK?
15:43.26equiraptorSo when I make changes that invalidate some of the depricated stuff in the old ones, she can't do her job any more and comes to ask me why she can't.
15:43.46equiraptor"Have you downloaded the latest how-to?" "No. I like doing it this way."
15:45.34equiraptorBleh, ok, enough of that rant.
15:47.22equiraptorOn a completely different off-topic subject...
15:47.34equiraptorThe Czech Republic claims Russia is trying to blackmail them?
15:47.56equiraptorDoes Russia think this is still the Cold War, or something?
15:50.05Kirkburn"Diplomacy" :P
15:50.44equiraptorRussian style.
15:50.48MontaggMaster-slave mentality takes a while to dissipate.
15:51.19equiraptorThankfully, the Czech Republic is basically telling Russia to go screw itself.
15:53.55Kirkburn11/21 in the end, I got better
15:54.16equiraptorGood. :)
15:54.34Zealsecond render after fiddling with transitional effects now.. hehe
15:54.44equiraptorNow the question is, do I buy the wheels that go with my car...
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15:55.05Zealsquare ones?
15:55.15equiraptorNo, the big ones.
15:55.26equiraptorSheesh, I don't even remember what size tires my car has, stock.
15:55.45KirkburnI got TKed :/
15:56.04Zealwb btw Kirkburn :P
15:56.14Zeali was semi-afk, lol
15:57.22KirkburnStill am
16:00.20KirkburnI such an awful shot. It's my mouse I tells ya!
16:00.39KirkburnNotebook type mouse :/
16:01.08equiraptorThe stock tires are 205/45R17. The tires that goes on the wheels I could buy are 285/35R18.
16:06.00Zealstill need to decide on codec and quality. using divx 6.5.1 atm.
16:09.27KirkburnFor what again?
16:09.50KirkburnHow are they all getting headshots?!
16:12.45Zealaim bot..
16:12.53Zeala warcraft music video
16:13.27KirkburnOh this is crazy
16:13.33KirkburnIt's a secure server, too
16:21.26Kirkburn9/27 ^^
16:21.40KirkburnAnd I'm second in my team :P
16:21.58Zeallol
16:22.22Zealdo you jsut suck or are they killing you before you get a chance you show your skill? :P
16:22.47Zealgod damn borders..
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16:23.18Adys8924wts crappy connexion
16:23.20Adys8924and wtb timekillers
16:23.26*** mode/#wowwiki [+o Adys] by ChanServ
16:23.28Adysand wts lag too
16:23.30Kirkburninfobot, hug Adys
16:23.31infobotACTION hugs Adys tightly until Adys turns slightly blue
16:23.49Adysinfobot, beer
16:23.50infobotACTION has disconnected (Read error: 99 (Connection reset by beer))
16:26.59KirkburnNow I'm FIRST in my team
16:28.45KirkburnGonna try CoD instead now :P
16:30.29KirkburnLol, I'd forgotten my save game didn't work, yay for throwing a grenade at your instructor in the intro level
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17:10.03verxionhey everyone
17:10.12verxionbeen a while since I was here
17:10.13verxion:)
17:10.30verxionI got my warlock up to level 37
17:10.59verxionshe has +100 damage from +spell and/or +shadow gear
17:11.14verxionand the extra 36% from talent points puts that at 136
17:11.50axxothere is no 36% talent
17:11.59verxion...
17:12.25verxionEmpowered Corruption my friend
17:12.39axxothat doesn't give you 136 my friend
17:12.48verxion"Your Curruption spell gains an additional 36% of your bonus spell damage effects"
17:12.49MontaggYou mean just for Corruption.
17:12.51verxionoh true
17:12.54verxionone moment
17:13.13verxion36+.93
17:13.41verxionso 133.5 extra damage for corruption
17:14.42MontaggLooking forward to DP?
17:15.12verxionDP?
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17:16.16MontaggDark Pact.
17:16.27verxionahh
17:16.31verxionwell, it is a ways off yet
17:16.33verxionand...
17:16.41MontaggAre you not full Afflic right now?
17:16.46verxionyes, I am
17:17.01MontaggShould only be three levels, then.
17:17.07verxionright
17:17.21verxionmy VW seems to have mana all the time
17:17.31verxionand I currently much prefer my VW to any other pet
17:17.48verxionbut I don't have a clue yet of whether the VW will regen mana enough to make DP all that useful
17:18.28verxionwhen I tried to use my imp recently as extra dps, he ran out of mana like instantly
17:18.34verxionand never seemed to get it back
17:18.44verxionso the imp doesn't seem to have much mana regen
17:18.56MontaggHe actually has the most.
17:19.08MontaggI use him as a mana battery in instances and never have to drink.
17:19.14verxionwell yeah
17:19.24verxionI think if I was in a party that the imp with DP would be good
17:19.38verxionbut soloing (which is how I level up) I think the imp is my worst choice
17:19.54verxionnow that said, my drain tanking ability gets a DOUBLE boost at 38
17:20.13MontaggWell, you have two warlocks here, Zeal. ::Kicks.::
17:20.14verxionI get Drain Life rank 4 and Siphon Life rank 2 BOTH at level 38
17:20.52verxionwhat level are you these days Montagg?
17:21.02Montagg54, about 2 bars from 55.
17:21.06verxionnice
17:21.08Zealwell that last one was 84MB.. wanna get it down to to under 30..
17:21.54MontaggI'm sporting about 230 +shadow/spell dmg. Doing a lot of my grinding in Plaguelands.
17:22.15verxioncool
17:22.22verxionnow where did you grind from 40 to 54?
17:23.08verxionMontagg: I was thinking of respeccing to this build at 40:
17:23.10verxionhttp://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IyMrVMbzVz
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17:23.25MontaggI bounced around. I suppose Tanaris, Hinterlands, STV mostly.
17:23.26verxionjust figured I would get your thoughts on that
17:23.50verxionMontagg: WOW, no time in badlands?
17:23.55Zealany here actually know about video editing and codec choices? :p
17:23.59Zeal*anyone
17:24.05MontaggMaybe a little. I don't remember really.
17:24.17Zealjust looking for advice :p
17:24.45Zealcodec to choose, how to get the best out of it etc.
17:25.03MontaggAnyway, I got class. I've gotta head out.
17:25.09verxionok montagg
17:25.09MontaggGood luck verxion.
17:25.12verxionthanks for the info
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17:25.21NummySo I'm pretty bored, waiting for the realms to come back up...and figured I'd stop by. rawr.
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17:25.27Zealttyl Montagg
17:25.33Zealwb Gryphen
17:25.46Zealrawr Nummy :p
17:25.51Nummyindeed.
17:26.03Nummyand I just hustled Sugar Ray Robinson on fight night.
17:31.52NummyFight Night, you know..the boxing game?
17:32.04Nummyand Sugar Ray Robinson, you know, one of the best boxers of all time.
17:32.13ZealKnow the same, about it. never played it or watched anyone play it.
17:32.21Zeali don't follow boxing..
17:32.30Zealor any sport for that matter
17:32.31Nummyoh. man, probably my favorite sport.
17:32.34Nummyno? wow.
17:32.54Zeali'm more interested in playing, but that's rare :P
17:33.04KirkburnOrienteering, that's the sport of the gods
17:33.14equiraptorThree Day Eventing.
17:33.17KirkburnAnd ye gods, CoD is unrelenting
17:33.28Nummyisn't that the running thingy?
17:33.31KirkburnFrench 5 Day is awesome
17:33.37Zealtennis, football, hockey, swimming are probably the onyl sports i like doing.
17:33.52Nummyby the way, that's the best summing up of orienteering, ever.
17:34.10KirkburnBasically spent a week on the Bordeaux coast, ran in the morning, sunbathing the rest of the day
17:34.24equiraptorThree Day Eventing is an equestrian sport.
17:34.32Nummynice. so its like a big cross-country type deal..right?
17:34.36KirkburnYes
17:34.49Nummyrather watch boxing :P
17:34.54Zealoh.. and kayaking, love that too
17:35.01Nummykayaking's a blast
17:35.09KirkburnAgreed
17:36.34Nummylol now I get to fight Sugar Ray Robinson.
17:36.41Nummybrb
17:36.43Zealmy gfx card is so not offloading encoding :p
17:36.47gdbI just noticed something that may cause some issues...
17:37.05gdbSomeone chose to license the content of WoW Wiki under the GNU FDL.  Was there a particular reason for this?
17:37.09Nummyharry potter's naked horse pictures? that'd cause tons of issues.
17:37.27gdbBecause this is a really really really bad license for a Wiki.
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17:39.10Zeal82MB dammit..
17:39.22gdbI'm guessing no one here has read the FDL. :-/
17:39.24gdbOh well
17:39.27Zealif it's so bad gdb, then why is it an option in the wiki? :S
17:39.31Zealand nope
17:39.58gdbI hope no one abuses the invariant clause in the FDL.  If you want a GNU license or open license, then GNU GPL or a CC license is preferable.
17:40.39gdbThe FDL allows for invarient sections that only the original author is allowed to change.  If they are changed, then the person editing them can be sued by the original author for being in violation of the license under which their content is provided.
17:40.43gdbThis includes the maintainers of the Wiki.
17:41.14*** join/#wowwiki dok3Dal (n=dok@AStrasbourg-251-1-104-193.w90-26.abo.wanadoo.fr)
17:41.30gdbHowever, since the content on the site is now all GNU FDL, *every* contributor has to be personally contacted and sign off any any change in the license terms for their contributions.
17:42.02gdbZeal: I'm sure someone picked it because they didn't read it and thought oh, GNU and "Documentation" license.
17:42.06gdbWe'll go with it!
17:43.22gdbAll documentation on the wiki is currently in violation of the GNU FDL as no authors are listed.
17:43.39gdbThen again, the original author isn't required to list his name.
17:43.43gdbSo perhaps it's not.
17:44.06gdbHowever, people who *change* any document are required to note their name.
17:44.23gdbhttp://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html -- it's all right in the license itself, section 4. Modifications
17:44.45gdbB. List on the Title Page, as authors, one or more persons or entities responsible for authorship of the modifications in the Modified Version, together with at least five of the principal authors of the Document (all of its principal authors, if it has fewer than five), unless they release you from this requirement.
17:44.51Zealwell in that case, it does need chaning ,yes.
17:45.02Zealyou've argued your point, no need to continue :P
17:45.07gdbok ok!
17:45.08gdbhehe
17:45.32Zealjust, gotta get someone to change it now ;)
17:45.34Zealffs..
17:45.38gdbI just saw this "Content is available under GNU Free Documentation License 1.2." on the bottom of a page I was reading and my jaw hit the floor.
17:45.43gdbI get the intent
17:46.00gdbI am sure someone thought oh, GNU, that's good, right?  and this is documentation, we'll use the Free Documenation License
17:46.03Zealthis is stupid.. the effects escape outside the bounds of what i can put content in, so borders = useless
17:46.19gdbWell, GNU is good, and this license is good, but not for this application (imo).
17:48.29avaiaCC ftw
17:50.12avaiagdb: you are required to log in to edit, right?
17:50.25avaiagdb: history should show all edits, so it is in compliance
17:50.28gdbI don't know, I've not edited anything.
17:50.33gdbThey're not publically displayed.
17:50.34Outlaw|you do last I checked
17:50.43gdbI can't see who authored what as a reader.
17:50.56avaiayes you can
17:51.10avaiaclick on the 'history' tab on any page
17:51.23gdbWell, I'd sure like to know how since I'd beat some people over the head for poor English skills. ;-)
17:51.24avaiawill show you who made what edits when
17:51.35Shadowedgbd: "history" :p
17:51.57Shadowedlike http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=history to see who changed the main page
17:53.21gdbPossible violations: seconds A, B, C, E, F, G, J (in the future).
17:53.25gdber sections
17:53.38gdbunder section 4, modifications
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17:55.28Zealeven if there is no violation, gdb has brought up why it shouldn't be used for wowwiki.
17:55.28gdbWoWwiki will need to remain online for no less than 4 years after the last edit is made.
17:55.29gdbThat's the possible, future, violation of section 4, subsection J.
17:55.29Nummy"that guy"
17:55.29gdbWell, it's a valid concern if you're concerned about Free software and Free licenses.
17:55.29gdbThe FDL is a *good* license.
17:55.55gdbIt's not appropriate, IMO, for this circumstance where a CC share-and-share-alike license or the GNU GPL would work, and fulfill the intent of the site.
17:56.49gdbAnyway, it's up to you all what you'd want to do.  You can decide not to worry about it, and I do not for an instant think there's any legal concerns, but for the sake of being 'right' it may be worth looking at.
17:57.13avaiarms is going to shut down wowwiki!
17:57.38gdbWell, the FSF may shut down Novell's Linux business.
17:58.24gdbIt's certainly going to be cramped by GPLv3 which revokes Novell's right to redistribute GNU software.
17:58.35gdbWell any GPLv2 covered software.
17:58.38gdber v3
17:59.03Zealthis is stupid..
17:59.04gdbSo I'd say the FSF takes their licenses pretty seriously, but I could be mistaken.
17:59.10gdb:-P
18:00.26gdbdiscuss amongst yourselves!
18:00.51Zealanyone familiar with sony vegas? >_>
18:03.27NummyI'm sure that guy is.
18:25.31Nummyis it just me..or can no one get passed "authenticating?"
18:28.12Shadowednope nobody can
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18:33.59KirkburnWhee, I'm onto the British CoD missions
18:34.41ShadowedCoD1 or CoD2?
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18:48.49Deathfacedamn, there are some truly awful wow irc channels
18:49.52equiraptorORLY?
18:50.16equiraptorSorry, couldn't resist. :)
18:51.40Deathfacelol
18:51.48Deathfaceyeah, rly, there are some bad ones
18:58.37KirkburnCoD1 atm, Shadowed
18:58.51KirkburnDeathface, like...? :P
18:59.06Deathface#wow on gamesurge
18:59.15Deathfaceis the worst community ive ever known on the internet
18:59.40Kirkburnlol
18:59.46KirkburnI must check it out
19:00.10KirkburnWhat's the server name?
19:00.46Kirkburnnvm, got it
19:02.11KirkburnAiee, I have to register?
19:04.41KirkburnOh you have to be kidding me
19:04.57KirkburnNo way am I going through all that crap just to talk on an irc channel :/ FreeNode ftw
19:05.20equiraptorYou have to go through a lot of crap to register?
19:05.24KirkburnYup
19:05.28equiraptorDang, I'm glad I registered...
19:05.36equiraptor5 years ago.
19:05.40Kirkburnlol
19:06.01Kirkburnhttp://www.gamesurge.net/newuser/
19:06.16Deathfacekirk
19:06.19Deathfacei dont think you have to register
19:06.27Zealquakenet ftw
19:06.30Deathfacejust to get +o you have to register
19:06.45KirkburnIt didn't let me join the channel
19:06.52Zeali need to drop this video in size >_<
19:07.24Kirkburn"GameSurge does not support nickname ownership at this time." huh?
19:07.24DeathfaceWeird...
19:07.24Deathfacetry joining my channel  #blazindragons
19:07.24Deathfaceon gamesurge
19:07.33Deathfacebc i think the #wow channel is in some weird mode
19:08.44Kirkburnit says ... #wow :Cannot join channel (+r)
19:08.48DeathfaceYup
19:08.52Deathfaceyou have to register to join that channel
19:08.57Deathfaceits not worth it
19:09.00Deathfacelol
19:09.02KirkburnNot happening :)
19:12.16KirkburnStill no Wiis :( http://www.wii-consoles.co.uk/wii_console_realtime.asp
19:13.05KirkburnI'm annoyed I missed Amazon's last stock, I was by the PC at the time it flagged up
19:13.14KirkburnSomehow missed it :/
19:16.34Zealul :(
19:16.47Zeali'm waiting for the price to come down (think they're a bit of a rip atm)
19:16.53Zealand more stock ofc
19:17.03Zealso far my fav game is warioware :p
19:17.11equiraptorI'd like a good force feedback wheel for it.
19:17.20Zeal..
19:17.25Zealwhy?
19:17.31equiraptorI pretty much only play driving games.
19:17.39Zealyou can drive with the remote :p
19:17.40equiraptorAnd I see no point in playing a driving game without a good wheel.
19:17.56Zealhold it like steering wheel
19:17.57equiraptorEver raced a real car in an organized race?
19:18.08Zealif they make a game that does that though is another matter
19:18.22equiraptorI can't drive my best without good tire feel.
19:18.30Zealbut warioware does it in one of it's mini games where you drive, works well :p
19:18.34equiraptorYou can't get tire feel from a game without force feedback.
19:18.48Zealit vibrates, that's enough for me, lol
19:19.05Zealit's not like you're gunna be playing GT on it.. lol
19:19.24Tepetkhethaha
19:19.28equiraptorGT isn't the game I use as my "great driving game" halo.
19:19.38Zealhalo? rofl
19:20.28equiraptorJust keep laughing, zeal.
19:20.35Zeali am :p
19:20.50Zeali guess it was a better driving game than it was an fps though, lol
19:20.50equiraptorI'll keep laughing at you telling me to "just use the remote"
19:21.12equiraptorAs if that was anything close to decent for a *real* driving game.
19:21.29Zealnot knock it until you try it ;)
19:21.40Zeal*don't
19:21.47equiraptorThere are some things you don't have to try to know.
19:21.59equiraptorI don't have to try autocrossing a suburban to know it would suck.
19:22.14equiraptorI don't have to try to use a Wii remote as a wheel for a driving game to know it would suck.
19:22.28Zealno idea what that means. but i know the wii remote works wonders
19:22.45equiraptorNot for what I want from a wheel.
19:22.46Zealand when i used it for driving parts, it was accurate and responsive.
19:22.53equiraptorIt just doesn't have a strong enough motor in it.
19:23.32equiraptorI expect to feel the tires push back through a turn, pushing harder and harder until they reach that cusp where they give out and the slide starts.
19:23.40Zealyes, because its the vibration that makes all the difference >_>
19:23.42equiraptorI use that probably more than any other input.
19:23.49equiraptorNope, vibration can't do that.
19:23.53equiraptorReally.
19:27.51Tepetkhet...
19:28.08Tepetkhet[14:23] <equiraptor> Nope, vibration can't do that.  [14:24] * Zeal hopes this is small enough..
19:28.13Zealrofl
19:28.22TepetkhetOh, man.
19:28.36TepetkhetIt's even worse if I include the previous 2 lines.
19:28.58Zealwtf.. how can something half the resolution be the exact same file size!..
19:29.07Tepetkhet[14:23] <Zeal> yes, because its the vibration that makes all the difference >_>  [14:23] <equiraptor> I use that probably more than any other input.
19:29.19Zealhaha
19:32.04TepetkhetYeah?  What?  I'm just calling 'em as I see 'em.
19:32.28equiraptorUh huh.
19:35.55avaiaZeal: Rayman is <3
19:36.20Zealcool
19:38.49avaiamuch better than warioware, but fewer games
19:39.43avaiawell, I didn't do much of warioware past the first couple of sequences yet
19:40.01avaiaso I'll just stfu
19:40.44sancusyou guys talk too muc
19:40.45sancus+h
19:41.10equiraptorNo such thing!
19:41.12equiraptorIt is IRC, after all.
19:41.25sancusclearly you don't know anything about IRC
19:41.29sancusIRC is for idling, minimal talking
19:41.35equiraptorDepends on the channel.
19:41.42equiraptorThat one *points* is for idling.
19:41.50equiraptorThat one *points* is for making fun of people with poor grammar.
19:42.00equiraptorAnd that one *points* is for saying as much as you can, as fast as you can.
19:42.23sancusThat last one goes against the very soul of IRC, and should be emptied asap.
19:43.48equiraptorA 146M log file, from May 19th.
19:44.41TepetkhetWait, the I in IRC stands for Idle, right?
19:52.03sancusequiraptor: pussy log
19:52.09ZealIdle Resource Center
19:52.23sancusequiraptor: The wowwiki access logs are like 5 gigs a day :P
19:52.32Zealsancus, you knowledgable about video editing? :p
19:52.39sancusnope, never done it
19:52.43sancusdone a bit of encoding but no editing
19:52.54equiraptorsancus: I'm talking IRC chat from ONE CHANNEL, CHAT ONLY.
19:53.05equiraptorNo joins, parts, status changes, etc.
19:53.11sancusexample of channels that need to be burned, HERE
19:53.32sancushow could such a channel possibly be useful!
19:53.33equiraptorAccess logs for something like WoWWiki are certainly going to be much larger.
19:53.51equiraptorI've actually both received and given help in that channel. :)
19:54.14equiraptorYou have to watch pretty closely, but it works.
19:54.45Zealwell it's the encoding part i'm messing with sancus. recommendations/tips? :p
19:54.56sancusmy largest irc log for one day is about 1.8M
19:55.06sancusand I considered that channel too spammy to be worth sitting in
19:55.26ZealI've got a 3:36 long 1280x720 @ 30fps video to encode :p
19:55.29sancusZeal: Er, I dont know? You're going to want to be more specific, like what kind of video are you talking about
19:55.36sancuswell
19:55.45sancusI use TMPGEnc
19:55.52sancusgo read the doom9 guides, imo
19:55.58ZealO_o
19:56.02sancushttp://www.doom9.org/
19:56.39Zealkk, will take a look
19:57.00KirkburnWow, my housemate just got hit by a car whilst out on his bike. He's okay, his bike isn't.
19:57.03sancusit's mostly about dvd backup and stuff
19:57.10sancusbut the advice still applies to general things
19:58.43vlad_(btw, fyi, I have the wiki upgrade done in a VM, I just wasn't physically at home to do it on the actual machine last weekend)
19:58.51vlad_seemed to go fine, so I should get it done on the real thing soon
19:59.04Zealnice vlad :)
19:59.06Zealty
19:59.21KirkburnWoot
19:59.25Zealsorry to hear Kirkburn, glad hes ok though.
19:59.40KirkburnYeah, an Astra pulled out in front of him
20:00.01KirkburnTotally bent the front wheel, and he had to carry it halfway across Bristol to get home :P
20:00.31KirkburnExcitement!
20:21.59Hobinheim|workzomg awesome
20:22.11Hobinheim|workparrrsssurrrr functions + csssssss
20:22.19Hobinheim|work= new dawn in wowwiki
20:23.33Hobinheim|workAnu sancus dela'na. Anu vlad_ dela'na. Anu sancus dela'na. Anu vlad_ dela'na.
20:26.07TepetkhetKlaatu barata necktie.
20:27.26Hobinheim|workEn taro Adun, Tepetkhet
20:27.35Hobinheim|workGi oush!
20:28.18winkillerKlaatu verata nictu!
20:29.59TepetkhetBash'a no falor talah, Hobinheim|work!
20:30.17TepetkhetEr
20:31.49TepetkhetThe opers guide Hobinheim.
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20:38.36KirkburnYou're some very strange people y'know
20:38.53KirkburnAnd did vlad just kick himself randomly?
20:40.15Hobinheim|worki think you're strange for the fact that you're not on this side of the pond
20:40.20Hobinheim|workdon't judge unless you're a pally
20:40.45Hobinheim|worki'm kidding i'm just bored at work
20:40.48Hobinheim|workstupid projects...
20:40.49KirkburnI have a level 42 pally
20:40.55Hobinheim|workalll i wnana do is play with my dragonhawk
20:41.03Hobinheim|workkirk you're demo right
20:41.10KirkburnYes, a demo lock
20:41.17Hobinheim|workhow's your grind speed
20:41.30Hobinheim|worki feel ike it's so much easier to grind as a hutner than a warlock
20:41.30KirkburnPretty good
20:41.34KirkburnLittle downtime
20:41.35Hobinheim|worklike i'm doing something wrong
20:41.39Hobinheim|worki'm demo also
20:41.45Hobinheim|workdo you have mana feed?
20:41.49KirkburnYep
20:41.54Hobinheim|workdo you have imp tap?
20:42.12Hobinheim|workall (ALL) of my points are stockpiled into demo
20:42.14KirkburnI have every demo talent that improves me and my felguard, but no other
20:42.18Hobinheim|workic
20:42.38KirkburnAnd yet you have problems?
20:42.53axxoHobinheim|work: what level?
20:42.56Hobinheim|worki dunno maybe i just have selective hearding
20:42.58Hobinheim|work*hearing
20:43.06Hobinheim|workall i know is that when i'm a hunter, things feel more... groovy
20:43.15Hobinheim|workmaybe it's autoshot speaking
20:43.18KirkburnThat helps :P
20:43.38Hobinheim|worklike... mark, arcane, serpent feels so much faster than dot dot dot
20:43.48Hobinheim|workand my low lock alt doesn't have..... what's that VW regeneration thing called...
20:43.51Hobinheim|workconsume shadows
20:44.00Hobinheim|workso he's always orange after two/three mobs
20:44.29Hobinheim|worki'm trying a destro and affliction alts to see what the hullabahoo is about
20:44.29Kirkburn:/
20:44.41axxoaffliction doesn't work that good without decent gear
20:45.10axxoplus below level 30-40 notting mathers
20:45.22KirkburnI do Immolate, Corruption, Incinerate
20:46.00KirkburnIncinerating again and again until I might gain aggro, when I health drain
20:46.16Hobinheim|workcast sequence makes me feel like i'm cheating
20:46.23Hobinheim|workagony, corruption, immolate, shadowbolt, wand
20:46.26KirkburnAnd against 3 man bosses it's just dot, dot, dot, health funnel, health funnel, health funnel, dot, dot, dot, etc
20:46.40axxoi do coa/siphon/cor on 3 mobs, aoe fear, run to next 3 mobs, coa/siphon/cor, go back and loot first tree
20:46.44axxodark pact
20:46.47KirkburnWand?!
20:46.49Hobinheim|worki hate fear...
20:46.58axxothats the way you go affliction
20:46.59Hobinheim|workbtw i'm talking about like level 13 alts
20:47.02axxonot dotting 1 target
20:47.05Hobinheim|workmy demo lock is like 60 something
20:47.27Hobinheim|worki just hate how my hunter feels like i'm doing less
20:47.33axxoi can do that for hours without drinking/eating ones
20:47.35Hobinheim|workand other classes i have to consciously try more
20:50.19Hobinheim|worklike there's a reason why joana's guide is written as a hunter
20:50.20Hobinheim|workkonw what i'm sayin'
20:50.30axxohunter = ezmode
20:50.45Hobinheim|worki notice that my hunter isn't the shit anymore when he's out of mana
20:50.58axxopets tanking naxx bosses at lvl 60 say enough tbh
20:51.01Hobinheim|workwithout a mark and arcane shot to start combat off, he feels like everyone else. sorta slow
20:51.23Hobinheim|worklike i like how i can loot and initiate combat at the same time
20:51.32Hobinheim|worki'm working on a rhythm with my lock alts but it doesn't feel the same
20:51.40axxo3 mobs are dying while i try to find  3 corpses to loot
20:51.40Hobinheim|worki'm also trying to attribute it to the keyboard
20:51.40axxo:p
20:51.52Hobinheim|workfinding corpses due to fear = bullshit
20:51.52axxofind the corpse, the life of an affliction warlock
20:51.59Hobinheim|workit's like a little game
20:52.08axxoi still kill faster then you even with playing find the corpse
20:52.57Hobinheim|worki've never had the pleasure of experience in instant cast corruption
20:53.11Hobinheim|worki'm sure i'm missing out
20:53.16axxoinstant corruption+imp lt = must have
20:53.29Hobinheim|worki've made due w/o for a long time
20:53.47Hobinheim|worki'm wondering what the purpose of dots is as a destro lock
20:53.50axxoand you are here complaining about locks
20:53.50axxo:p
20:53.59Hobinheim|worki'm not complaining about locks
20:54.10axxono points in dots as destro indeed
20:54.15Hobinheim|worki'm saying hunters feel like butter, and we need to find out what that secret ingreident is and bring it to other classes
20:54.32axxothey have insane burst dps?
20:54.47sancusnot all classes are supposed to feel the same :P
20:55.04Hobinheim|workI WANT BUTTER ALL OVER MY CLASSES DAMMIT
20:55.07Hobinheim|workJOANA CAN'T BE RIGHT
20:55.10Hobinheim|workSHADOWPRIESTS NEED LOVE
20:55.15axxopff
20:55.17axxol2smite
20:55.37axxowith proper gear, holy priests are more dps then shadow
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21:01.19foxlitHm, any admins around to revert a bunch of moves by User:Adys.?
21:01.40foxlitDot is intentional, questionmark is part of the question.
21:01.41axxoadmin adys?
21:01.42axxo;x
21:02.20amrohe could've at least put something on his user page. his moves stand out on the RC like red flags
21:02.21foxlitWould look funny :P
21:18.08KirkburnEr, what?
21:18.17KirkburnLink please
21:20.10*** join/#wowwiki Sky2042 (n=rawsonat@c-24-21-36-57.hsd1.mn.comcast.net)
21:20.15Sky2042ADYS
21:20.20Sky2042someone
21:20.21KirkburnIs it all sorted now?
21:20.45Kirkburn(Blocked)
21:21.04Sky2042:/
21:21.10Sky2042works
21:22.18Zeallol
21:22.23KirkburnAs in, are all the pages back? And thanks
21:22.23ZealAdys has fans :p
21:22.43Sky2042yeah, i think i fixed them all up
21:22.44Hobinheim|work?
21:23.03Hobinheim|workwah happun?
21:23.12Sky2042[[User:Adys.]] happened
21:23.14KirkburnTa
21:23.15Sky2042:]
21:23.20KirkburnMove vandal
21:23.26Hobinheim|workahh booo
21:23.27Hobinheim|workvandal
21:23.29KirkburnDifferent one though, an "on wheels" vandal
21:23.33Sky2042lol
21:23.37Hobinheim|worklol adis should feel honored that he got posered
21:23.56Sky2042he added a few naughty words here and there also... :/
21:24.38Zealno pardoning that french ;)
21:24.47Sky2042lol
21:25.33KirkburnDeleted the bad page names
21:25.41Sky2042hey, you deleted all my articles... :[
21:25.43Sky2042lol
21:26.04Kirkburnheh
21:26.08zealbbl
21:26.27Hobinheim|worki wonder if they sell battleship in the uk
21:26.36zealgunna watch SG1 while i continue to mess around with encoding settings and waiting for renders : /
21:26.46Sky2042:D
21:26.57Hobinheim|workyou'll never find my ... canoe
21:27.04Hobinheim|workit's in the corner, where no one will ever guess
21:27.10Sky2042;]
21:27.41KirkburnHobinheim|work, Battleships?
21:27.58KirkburnOf course they sell Battleships here!
21:28.23Sky2042Yeah, they sell it in freaking Sweden... of course they're going to be selling it in England. :/
21:28.27KirkburnIt's like asking if we have roads? :P
21:29.00Sky2042Or if they play chess...
21:29.04Hobinheim|workthe board game, battleship
21:29.40Hobinheim|workparodied in the movie harold and kumar go to white castle
21:29.40Hobinheim|worki wonder if they have white castle in europe...
21:29.45Sky2042lol
21:29.46KirkburnBoard game is a bad description :P
21:29.52Hobinheim|workYo gusto diesysies slideros , por favor.
21:30.15Hobinheim|worksorry i ran out of europoean languages to make fun of that involve asking for cheese burgers
21:30.15KirkburnNo we don't have White Castle :)
21:30.55KirkburnAnyway, I sunk your Cruiser.
21:31.35Sky2042whose?
21:32.46KirkburnHers.
21:33.01TepetkhetJe voudrais un burger avec fromage?
21:33.03AdysWoo did I just read I got fans
21:33.10AdysWilly is back \o/
21:33.28KirkburnYay, I love Willies
21:33.32Tepetkhet...
21:33.46TepetkhetWait, you--
21:34.00TepetkhetYes, yes, you're from England.
21:34.12KirkburnWe all love Willies over here
21:35.01Hobinheim|workher who?
21:35.03TepetkhetI'm a penis?
21:35.17KirkburnWho now?
21:35.23TepetkhetHey now.
21:35.40Hobinheim|workain't nuthin' wrong wit dat
21:37.18KirkburnSomething is VERY wrong with this article's title - http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91059-1249701,00.html
21:37.27Kirkburn"Willy Spotted On Satellite"
21:37.41KirkburnDo they even understand what a satellite is?
21:38.06TepetkhetThat's a huge willie.
21:38.32KirkburnI bet they thought "hey, we don't need that last word, let's get rid of it, and not bother thinking how little sense it makes without it"
21:38.57KirkburnWait, it's Sky news
21:39.06KirkburnThey wouldn't have thought at all.
21:40.16KirkburnSky being owned by Mr. Murdoch.
21:40.17Tepetkhethehehe
21:40.59Adyshttp://www.wowwiki.com/Rigid_Golden_Draenite what the hell are related jewels?
21:41.23TepetkhetFamily jewels?
21:41.26AdysAin't we better off with a list article about jewels per color instead of putting them on every gem article then?
21:43.00Hobinheim|workcat team to the rescue
21:43.12Hobinheim|workalthough... before going back to hard core editing i really want the wiki to be fixed
21:43.26KirkburnI think it's obvious what the Cat Team's motto must be
21:43.38Hobinheim|workwhat?
21:43.40Hobinheim|workmewo?
21:43.41Kirkburnvlad has confirmed it'll happen
21:44.00Hobinheim|worki want the bots to run loose and the commonly bound pages to look sexy!
21:44.00KirkburnWhat kind of crazy ass cat says "mewo"?
21:44.04Adysanyways going back afk laters
21:44.05Hobinheim|worklol uhhh
21:44.14KirkburnSee ya Adys
21:44.14Hobinheim|workwinna's cat
21:44.18Hobinheim|workthe one that drank the felwater
21:44.25Hobinheim|workthat turns into a corrupted sabre
21:46.53Sky2042...
21:47.46Hobinheim|workcat team! MEWOH!!!!
21:50.54Kirkburnlol
22:05.11verxionany warlocks on?
22:08.27Hobinheim|workyo-ttebayo
22:08.35Hobinheim|workverxion, what's up
22:08.51Hobinheim|workare you the guy that rolled a lock and was asking questions at some other time before
22:10.07verxionhey there hobinheim
22:10.12verxionyeah, I am
22:10.18verxionI got my lock up to 37
22:10.26verxionand I am starting to think about my build at 40
22:10.37verxionhttp://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IqMrVRbkqtro
22:10.44verxionthat is what I was thinking of aiming for at 40
22:10.48verxionwanted to get some feedback
22:11.17Hobinheim|workyou like malediction?
22:11.44verxionthat link was wrong
22:11.45verxionsorry
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22:13.14verxionhttp://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IyMrVRbzsz
22:13.16verxiontry that link
22:13.48verxionif the link is working, it should have 1 in dark pact and 3 in shadow mastery
22:16.03Hobinheim|workseems fine
22:16.06Hobinheim|workyou're already at 31
22:16.11verxion37
22:16.18Hobinheim|workoh so you want six more points?
22:16.38verxion38 should be tonight and should be a very nice level with a new rank in both drain life and siphon life
22:16.55Hobinheim|workthe spec you linked is only 31 points deep
22:17.02verxionoh!
22:17.03verxionyes
22:17.05verxion31 POINTS
22:17.08verxionwhat I mean is this
22:17.10verxionI am level 37
22:17.16verxionthat link is what I am planning to be at 40
22:17.20verxionat level 40
22:17.32Hobinheim|worki see
22:17.37verxionI think I have it figured out up to 69
22:17.41Hobinheim|worki dunno seems fine to me
22:18.17Hobinheim|workfor your next levels i would fill out contagion
22:18.22Hobinheim|workthen imp howl as soon as you can
22:18.31Hobinheim|workthen backtrack for more contagion and shadow mastery
22:18.39Hobinheim|workthat hsould open you up to UA at 50
22:18.41Hobinheim|workthen you're done
22:18.51verxionok
22:18.56verxionand then for level 70
22:19.01verxionraid spec
22:19.01Hobinheim|workif you raid throw in 10 in demo
22:19.05verxionwhat should I be looking at?
22:19.15Hobinheim|workotheriwse just you, pump your bolts up with 10 in destro
22:19.20Hobinheim|workimp shadow and bane
22:19.37Hobinheim|workbasically what you're doing is filling your last 10 in destro and demonic embrace, however you see fit
22:19.52Hobinheim|workmaybe with nightfall bane isn't so important
22:19.58verxionI am kindof lost on my level 70 raid spec - I hear that the point in demonic sacrifice for +15% damage is just killer good
22:20.11Hobinheim|workbut that's 21 points deep
22:20.15verxionI know
22:20.17Tepetkhethome time
22:20.18TepetkhetLater.
22:20.19verxionso my GUESS is
22:20.22Hobinheim|workso you'd have to take out UA
22:20.25verxionI go with no affliction
22:20.37verxionor else very little
22:20.40verxionor something
22:20.50Hobinheim|workwhat DS does is scale yourself to make up for the fact that you (as demo) don't have any stand out skills
22:20.52verxionUA sounds unbelievable for soloing
22:21.17Hobinheim|workpersonally, ds only matters when your pet can't contribute
22:21.26Hobinheim|workso either you're in a raid and your pet doesn't do anything or you're enslaving something
22:21.58verxionwell in a raid, I am GUESSING that my main contributions would be dps and banish plus ssing folks
22:22.06verxionand healthstones too of course
22:22.21verxionso what I am kindof lost in
22:22.25verxionis how to do the best dps in a raid
22:22.29Sky2042dont forget, there's less ppl in a raid now ;p
22:22.31verxionie, is affliction best
22:22.36verxionor some other route
22:22.43Sky2042in case you ever experienced the 40 mans
22:23.12verxionand I don't want to lose my soloing ability
22:23.12Hobinheim|workaffliction is probably best with multi tanks
22:23.12verxionI ran MC a fair amount
22:23.12Hobinheim|worki hear warriors aren't so good at multi tanking, but that's where pallies pick up
22:23.12verxionother than MC, my other raiding experience was all 20 man
22:23.21Hobinheim|workyou owuld probably want to go imp shadow bolt
22:23.25Hobinheim|workand hten mix and match demo
22:23.31Hobinheim|workmaybe five demonic embrace
22:23.40Hobinheim|workor if you like helping your mates fill out imp imp and tag one or two in helathstone
22:23.53Hobinheim|workif you know how healthstones work, talents modify the type of stone you carry
22:24.08verxionright
22:24.25verxionit sounds like you can have multiple stones if peopel have modified them differently with talents
22:24.31Hobinheim|workright
22:24.49Hobinheim|worki could carry all of Healthstone-0 Healthstone-1 and Healthstone-2 if different warlocks made them
22:25.00Hobinheim|workwith different talents
22:25.12Hobinheim|workthat aside maybe just go with bane
22:25.18Hobinheim|workeither demonic embrace or bane
22:25.40Hobinheim|workor if you really want to raid spec pump out the imp and keep him out
22:25.47Hobinheim|workso imp imp, healthstone2, and demonic embrace
22:26.16verxionok
22:26.23verxionlet me play a bit here
22:26.27verxionyou are majorly helping me
22:27.14Hobinheim|workbased on what i've read, i think you're better off taking points out of suppression and putting them into... shadow embrace. or something higher
22:27.14verxionoh
22:27.19verxionwhat is your take on suppression by the way
22:27.23Hobinheim|workwow
22:27.25verxionI hear ALL different opinions on it
22:27.32verxionrofl
22:27.34verxionthat is too funny
22:27.36Hobinheim|workwell the thing i read is that resist rates don't go that low
22:27.37Hobinheim|workor something
22:27.41Hobinheim|worki'm trying to find it again
22:27.56verxionwell I am finding that on +2's and higher, 3 in suppression really helps
22:28.02Hobinheim|worki see, it's a pvp cap
22:28.06verxionright
22:28.11Hobinheim|workso suppression i  guess is a pve talent
22:28.11verxionin pvp 3 seems the one to go
22:28.17Hobinheim|workhow many 70+s are you facing, etc
22:28.18verxionor so I heard
22:28.24Hobinheim|worktwo
22:28.29verxionwell in raids and instances, I think several
22:28.32Sky2042suppression is the +hit talent, right?
22:28.47verxionreduces the chance for enemies to resist your affliction spells
22:28.50verxionmax is 10%
22:29.06Sky2042yeah, 2 points in it for pvp, 5 in it for pve
22:29.09Hobinheim|worksuppression, as i'm reading, is only worth 2 points
22:29.16Hobinheim|work3 or more for boss type characters
22:29.20verxionHobinheim|work: yeah, I had read that too
22:29.25Sky2042thats coming from a mage :]
22:29.27verxionbut having 3 in it has let me solo elite quests
22:29.31Hobinheim|workanyway, i wouldn't worry about it
22:29.33verxionjust as an example
22:29.33Sky2042elemental precision ftw
22:29.36Hobinheim|workit doesn't merit a respec
22:29.45Hobinheim|workbut i'd pass it up if you got a free one
22:29.58Hobinheim|workso, how's affliciton?
22:30.02verxionok
22:30.06verxionnow curse of exhaustion
22:30.10verxionwhat is your take on that one?
22:30.14verxionworth the two points?
22:30.14Hobinheim|workjust ok?
22:30.27verxionI heard it was worthwhile for leveling up
22:30.29Hobinheim|workthe guide i'm reading def. takes amp curse
22:30.32verxionI am semi undecided about it
22:30.39Hobinheim|workCoX is the throw away point
22:30.47Hobinheim|workso, up to you
22:30.48verxionthing I hate about amp curse is the 2 minute cooldown
22:30.53Hobinheim|workno opinion here, i've never used it
22:31.01Hobinheim|work3min says wowhead
22:31.07Hobinheim|workso? that's like one or two combat waves
22:31.18verxionok, so 3 minutes
22:31.20verxionthat is even worse
22:31.48Sky2042goes by quicker than you think :x
22:31.59verxionwell
22:31.59Sky20425 min is when cds get long
22:32.03verxionlook at it like this
22:32.11verxionat level 38 (which is my next level)
22:32.20verxionit amounts to an extra 250 damage every three minutes
22:32.41verxionat my CURRENT level (37)
22:32.42Sky2042lol, thats weak
22:32.44Sky2042:x
22:32.52verxionit is only an extra 162 damage every three minutes
22:32.53verxionso yeah
22:32.56verxionit is weak as hell
22:32.59verxionfor a talent point
22:33.28Hobinheim|workstockpile spell damage
22:33.37Hobinheim|worki hear affliction is very gear dependant
22:33.43Hobinheim|workSky2042, what spec are you
22:33.53verxionand at level 67, I get my top ranked curse of agony, and it would give me an extra 670 damage every three minutes
22:34.01Hobinheim|worki was thinking about synergy the other day and wondered how an arcane mage is like min maxed with intellect
22:34.02verxionagain, that seems a waste of a talent point
22:34.20sancusHob: shitty
22:34.23verxionwell at level 37 I currently have 100 +damage
22:34.26sancusintellect s-u-c-k-s
22:34.30Hobinheim|workbut you're not thinking about the sweetness of an amped coD
22:34.32Sky2042min maxed with int? eh, bad idea
22:34.33verxionnext level it goes to something like 120 or so
22:34.36Sky2042whoa
22:34.39Sky2042yes, int sucks
22:34.40Hobinheim|workwhy is it a bad idea? SYNERGY MAN
22:34.47sancusbecause int sucks
22:34.51Sky2042its not that its a bad idea, its that it isn't a good enough idea
22:34.53Sky2042:x
22:34.55Hobinheim|workarmor, crits, mana pool, spell damage
22:34.56sancusit's the most useless stat for a mage
22:35.00Hobinheim|workwhat?
22:35.03Hobinheim|workare you kidding?
22:35.06sancuswell
22:35.06Hobinheim|workwhat's the mage stat then
22:35.08sancusbar agility
22:35.13sancusspell damage
22:35.15Sky2042damage is the mage stat
22:35.15Hobinheim|workbleh
22:35.21Sky2042along with critical and stam
22:35.25Sky2042int and spirit take last
22:35.29sancusmana is _useless_, man
22:35.33sancussee
22:35.38Hobinheim|workwow i guess i'm not even thinking of those other things
22:35.39sancusif you cast evocation once?
22:35.46Hobinheim|workwhy would a mage not like mana =(?
22:35.47sancusin a fight
22:35.53Hobinheim|work(what's evocation)
22:35.54Sky2042it doesnt increase our damage
22:35.54sancusevery point of spirit you have is already worth more than int, point for point
22:35.57Sky2042:)
22:36.01sancusthats just evocation
22:36.09sancusignoring mage armor and arcane meditation
22:36.13Hobinheim|worki thought spirit was mostly a priest stat
22:36.17Sky2042not really
22:36.22sancusif you need mana
22:36.24sancusspirit > int
22:36.26Hobinheim|worki dunno it sounded good to me =(
22:36.26Sky2042its a minor mage stat
22:36.35sancusOne of the major remaining fallacies
22:36.37Hobinheim|workyou're really raining down on my synergy theory
22:36.42sancusis the obsession with spiking int on all mage gear
22:36.46sancusits fucking horrible
22:36.48Sky2042yah
22:36.52sancusbliz itemization team is so incompetent
22:36.53Sky2042mages hate it :/
22:36.53sancusmakes me sick :/
22:37.00verxionok, so someone help me with curse of doom - if it kills the target, is the doomguard FRIENDLY or unfriendly?
22:37.07Sky2042friendly, iirc
22:37.09Hobinheim|workprobably untamed
22:37.12sancustakes them 2 years to learn how to do proper caster itemization, with the whole playerbase bitching at them, and they still can't really get it right
22:37.14Sky2042it can prolly be tamed if not
22:37.58verxionwell to me, curse of doom is only for boss fights
22:38.04verxionnothing else is gonna last a whole minute
22:38.11Sky2042yup
22:39.02Sky2042yeah, hobin, the mage priority system goes like this:
22:39.04verxionso at that point, amplify curse amounts to 2100 shadow damage every three minutes
22:39.07Sky20421) Spell damage
22:39.13Sky20422) Spell critical/Stamina
22:39.23Sky20423) Spirit/Intellect
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22:40.00Hobinheim|workstamina?
22:40.01Sky2042the synergy is there, but it is weak at best
22:40.03Sky2042yes
22:40.06Hobinheim|workwhere's the synergy in stamina?
22:40.14Sky2042stamina = hp
22:40.16Sky2042hp = life
22:40.24Sky2042life = can kill enemy without dying first
22:40.25Sky2042;p
22:40.26Hobinheim|workyeah but i'm not seeing any SYNERGY there...
22:40.33Hobinheim|workthere are no mage bonuses for stamina that i know of
22:40.36Sky2042looks like good synergy for me
22:40.39Sky2042to*
22:40.39Hobinheim|workagain i know little about mages to begin with
22:40.51Sky2042if you aren't alive, you have no synergy at all
22:41.00Sky2042hence, why mages value stam so much
22:41.01Hobinheim|workyou're missing the entire point
22:41.05Sky2042no, im not
22:41.07Sky2042-_-
22:41.16Sky2042i know exactly what you mean
22:41.25Hobinheim|workname me one mage talent or skill that directly profits from stamina, distinct from other classes
22:41.32Sky2042ice block
22:41.33Hobinheim|workliving doesn't ocunt
22:41.39Sky2042:]
22:41.56Sky2042wait, wtf did he say? :P
22:42.02Hobinheim|workice block, by description, amkes you immune
22:42.06Hobinheim|workit makes no reference to stamina, at all
22:42.16Sky2042and you can't be immune if you die
22:42.19Hobinheim|workso, no, ice block doesn't count
22:42.26Sky2042well, ok, let me try a different tack
22:42.29Hobinheim|workyou're still missing the point by a long shot
22:42.38Hobinheim|workread Arcane Mind
22:42.42Sky2042stamina is inherent in mage strategy, in almost everything we do. why?
22:42.45Sky2042AoE
22:42.47Sky2042:)
22:42.50Hobinheim|workarcane mind synergizes (poor word) with Intellect
22:42.54Hobinheim|workno, you're still not getting it
22:42.59Sky2042-_-
22:43.03Hobinheim|workread arcane mind
22:43.07Sky2042i know what it does
22:43.14Hobinheim|workso there's no such thing for stamina!
22:43.18Hobinheim|workstamina is a warlock thing
22:43.22Sky2042and there doesn't need to be
22:43.29Hobinheim|workfor my theory, there does
22:43.34Hobinheim|workwe're talking about me here
22:43.38Hobinheim|workstop being so selfish
22:43.39avaiaQED
22:43.41Sky2042LOL!
22:43.45Sky2042ROFL
22:43.54Sky2042You take that theory to the mage forums; see what happens ;P
22:43.56Hobinheim|worki mean honestly vanessa
22:44.12Hobinheim|workSYNERGY AND BUTTER ALL OVER MY PRIEST
22:44.38Sky2042now, the inherent synergy in priests is that intellect increases mana, which thereby increases hp
22:44.42Sky2042:]
22:44.49Sky2042these aren't talent things hobin
22:44.52Sky2042these are class things
22:45.12Sky2042and that's where we aren't connecting
22:45.15Hobinheim|workyou're not really gettin git, at all
22:45.19Hobinheim|worktalents
22:45.21Hobinheim|worktalent synergy
22:45.24Hobinheim|worktalent synergy with stats
22:45.28Hobinheim|worktalents that depend on stats
22:45.39Hobinheim|work****** talents that depend on stats ******
22:45.43Hobinheim|workis what i should have said
22:45.57Sky2042blgh
22:46.01Hobinheim|work----------------------- talents that depend on stats -------------------
22:46.06Sky2042its an indirect relationship for mages
22:46.07Sky2042:/
22:46.09sancusHob: dude
22:46.16Hobinheim|work"talents that are directly influenced by stats"
22:46.24sancusthere's like two fucking decent talents that synergize with int
22:46.28Hobinheim|workit's a theory! i was on the john
22:46.29Sky2042mind and mastery
22:46.30sancusdo you have any idea how many there are that synergize with dmg/crit?
22:46.37sancuslike a dozen
22:46.44sancusthat stack multiplicatively
22:46.45Sky2042more!
22:46.53Hobinheim|worklook the john doesn't lie
22:46.58sancusI dont know what the john is
22:46.59Sky2042lol
22:46.59Hobinheim|workif you wanna just ignore the oracle like that be my guest
22:47.04sancusbut you dont understand the concept of synergy :P
22:47.17Hobinheim|workit's ... like this
22:47.21Sky2042only considering talent synergy is idiotic
22:47.22Hobinheim|workSynergy.
22:47.29Hobinheim|workit's a theory
22:47.33sancus. . .
22:47.37sancuswhat are you smoking?
22:47.43Sky2042and theories are meant to be disproven
22:47.44Hobinheim|workthey called einstein crazy. but he rolled a lock, know what i'm sayin'?
22:47.47Sky2042we are doing this
22:47.58Hobinheim|workFINKLE = EINHORN
22:48.06Sky2042not necessarily
22:48.08sancusyou play a lock and you still dont understand synergy!
22:48.11sancusthats fucked up
22:48.12Sky2042there are other einhorns
22:48.19Sky2042and not all = finkle
22:48.25Hobinheim|workdude lock demo synergy = int and stamina
22:48.30Sky2042...
22:48.31Sky2042..
22:48.34Sky2042damage and stam
22:48.35sancusahahahahah
22:48.36Sky2042-_-
22:48.41sancusactually damage, period
22:48.43Sky2042i know lock synergy better than a lock does
22:48.46Sky2042nah, life tap man
22:48.52sancusthats not how life tap works
22:48.57Sky2042:O
22:48.59sancuslife tap isn't about how much health you have in your pool
22:49.07Hobinheim|workit's aobut how much spell damage you have
22:49.08sancusit's about how much health regen you have
22:49.12Sky2042conceded
22:49.23sancusand how much lifetap converts to mana at once, which is spell damage yeah
22:49.24Hobinheim|workwarlocks don't regen health naturally
22:49.26Sky2042but with no hp in your pool... :]
22:49.34sancusNo of course not
22:49.49Hobinheim|workwhich brings us back to spell damage
22:49.50sancusBut a warlock without someone to help him regen health is entirely useless
22:49.58Sky2042true
22:50.02sancuswith someone to help him regen health
22:50.03Hobinheim|workaffliction locks take care of themselves
22:50.07sancushe outdamages everyone else by laughably huge amounts
22:50.13sancusso its usually a good idea!
22:50.14Sky2042even mages... qq
22:50.17Sky2042lol
22:50.25Hobinheim|workit's almost infinite mana, WITH better health to mana cooefficients
22:50.27sancusno locks take care of themselves
22:50.30sancusnot really
22:50.39Hobinheim|workwhat do you clal an affliction lock
22:50.41sancusyou can use drain life to sorta take care of yourself
22:50.43Sky2042the only class that takes care of itself is the paladin :/
22:50.48sancusBut it's a fuckload better if you dont have to cast that terrible spell
22:50.49Sky2042and maybe the hunter
22:51.10Hobinheim|worksiphon life?
22:51.18Sky2042o.0
22:51.25sancusthats not sufficient to sustain an affliction lock maximizing dps
22:51.26Hobinheim|workyou definitely don't sound like knowledgable warlocks
22:51.34Sky2042we aren't! :)
22:51.42Sky2042we told you, we're knowledgable mages
22:51.49sancussiphon life is not enough to sustain dps
22:52.26sancusit's also probably a waste of casting time
22:52.33Hobinheim|workprobably
22:52.39Hobinheim|workgo back to your arcanary =(
22:53.07Sky2042poor hobin
22:53.09sancuswarlock maximizing dps either has a priest/druid who is smart enough to cast the occasional HoT on him
22:53.09Sky2042;P
22:53.23sancusor he's in a group with a shadow priest and doesnt even have to look at his health bar because it fills up 0.5 seconds after he empties it
22:53.29Sky2042LOL
22:53.42sancuspreferably the latter
22:53.49equiraptorA shadow priest and some warlocks makes for a very nice group.
22:53.49Sky2042Shadow priests are OP (not really, but the point remains)
22:54.07sancusthere is no group that can match that for dps in the game, at all
22:54.13Sky2042yeah, CoS and Vamp and that one debuff with +% damage
22:54.18Hobinheim|worknot even starsky AND hutch?
22:54.24Sky2042and then the warlocks +% debuff
22:54.27Sky2042nope
22:54.33Sky2042maybe chuck norris though...
22:54.36Sky2042>.>
22:54.54Hobinheim|worki'm gonna take my theory
22:55.01Hobinheim|workone day, i'll see it on the forums
22:55.02Hobinheim|workjust you wait
22:55.05Hobinheim|workcall me crazy
22:55.15Sky2042make sure to link me the post on my talk page, just to see how it goes ;p
22:55.42Sky2042they will tell you int takes a back seat, just like i have.
22:55.54Sky2042even if the synergy is there
22:55.59Sky2042*if*
22:58.03Hobinheim|workno i gottta run to the gym now
22:58.07Hobinheim|workone day, gadget..
23:00.48Sky2042ah. weaksauce
23:00.54Sky2042now what will we have to talk about? :(
23:01.20Sky2042actually, how is maging at 70 atm?
23:01.43Sky2042dont have BC, and my account ended a week ago, so I'd like to hear...
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23:19.34zealsancus i agree with you.. people are talking too much, there's not enough idling going on :P
23:20.28Kirkburn|afkWow, what have I missed?!
23:20.39zealfigured out on of the problems i was having.. lame mp3 encoders isn't working. keeps spitting out errors when i try to use it :(
23:20.42zeal*one
23:20.49zeal*encoder
23:21.05KirkburnAre you attempting some irony there? :P
23:21.32zealnope
23:21.35Kirkburn"lame mp3 encoder"
23:21.39zealbut its there :P
23:21.52Kirkburnheh
23:21.59zealjust left the audio uncompressed
23:22.08KirkburnIt really is an awful name for a product :P
23:22.09zealshouldn't make much difference considering it already is.
23:22.11zeallol
23:22.22KirkburnReminds me of ...
23:22.24Kirkburn~sex
23:22.26infobotupdatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep, or super extractor, http://sf.net/projects/sex/
23:22.36KirkburnSuper EXtractor! :D
23:22.39zealeithr that or generic mpeg layer 3
23:23.13KirkburnAt least your vid won't be one of those that starts with a blue screen with white arial text. I hope.
23:23.32KirkburnWhat type of music?
23:23.59zealrofl, certainly not Kirkburn. it's all blizz footage chopped up and done to music.
23:24.09zealWithin Tempation - Towards the End
23:24.51zealok.. how the hell, on a multipass, did i create a file thats 40mb more, yet is half the resolution.. wtf
23:25.00zeali really don't get this encoding stuff..
23:26.42KirkburnHmm, slightly reminds me of Evanescence
23:26.54KirkburnCan't find that exact song though
23:27.05KirkburnI've found "Angels" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4rrCGI2cYQ
23:27.46zealyeah, it's a bonus track song, you'd have trouble finding it
23:28.10zealalways wanted to use it with warcraft footage
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23:31.42Sky2042lol
23:33.32Sky2042ok, how can you see "Towards the End" as evanescence-like? :x
23:35.55Sky2042ah... I see
23:36.09Sky2042I'm going away now. Have a good afternoon (or whatnot)!
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23:51.25KirkburnRight, well it's goodnight from me...
23:51.34Kirkburn|afkAnd it's goodnight from him!
23:52.13bleetahgoodnight :)
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