IRC log for #wowuidev on 20170603

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01:29.32Mr_Rabiesgeez they really need to fix /who
01:29.54Mr_Rabiesit's been broken since sometime in mop
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02:28.56_Kee[OT] I just accidentially found this channel about SM64: https://www.youtube.com/user/pannenkeok2012/videos This is amazing, how deep can someone go with a game analyze :o
02:30.23Mr_Rabieshow many QPUs are you on, bruh
02:51.37_KeeInfinite. Oh, I didn't knew it was on yt haiku https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubehaiku/comments/5yy8yr/poetry_when_im_qpu_aligned/
02:56.23NeffiSemlar, I don't think ZFS on Linux is stable
02:56.47NeffiAnd I don't think my hourly snapshots are going to save my now unbootable system
02:56.57Semlarrip
02:57.00Neffirip
03:01.09Semlarbackups are a crutch neffi
03:01.22NeffiI just installed Semlar
03:01.34NeffiI was still configuring things
03:01.46Semlarsemlar isn't ready for release!
03:02.01NeffiI like to live on the bleeding edge
03:02.16Neffireleases Semlar
03:02.25Semlarwhat have you done
03:02.35Neffisomething you were too afraid to do!
03:02.42Semlaryou've ruined everything!
03:02.56Neffi|:
03:03.00Semlarin the nicest way
03:03.04Neffi<3
03:03.13NeffiJonathan Coulton is a treasure
03:03.40NeffiOK I'm gonna go get my food and watch some Netflix and try not to cry that my new system is all gone
03:04.08Semlarnetflix n chill?
03:04.39Neffisry, I don't really want to share the food
03:04.43Neffimaybe next time
03:05.18Semlardon't think of it as losing everything, think of it as making room for your new project
03:05.54Neffiwhat project
03:05.58Neffifixing all the broken shit?
03:06.07Semlaryou can finish my lua decompiler for me
03:06.45Semlaryou can start by reading this https://net.cs.uni-bonn.de/fileadmin/ag/martini/Staff/yakdan/dream_ndss2015.pdf
03:07.07Neffionly 15 pages?
03:07.23Semlarthat's the spirit
03:07.41NeffiI'm actually really curious how one goes about decompiling stuff
03:08.08Semlarfirst you disassemble the bytecode
03:08.20NeffiOr you can just intrepret it as is
03:08.52Semlarthe decompilation process is mostly moving between different intermediate representations of the code
03:10.03NeffiI need to go pick up my food Semlar
03:10.10Semlarthe first step is disassembly, then breaking it into blocks of code with no breaks in the execution
03:10.10Neffiwish me luck
03:10.54Semlarjump statements and such
03:11.36Semlarthen you look at how the blocks are associated with each other to identify the flow of control so you can create loops and conditionals
03:12.00Semlarand then you output your new perfect code
03:12.53Semlarand if you could have it on my desk by monday that would be great
03:14.26IrielNeffi: I've taken to building my new systems in VMs, with frequent snapshots.
03:14.34IrielOnly once I get them working do they go anywhere else.
03:14.39Iriel(Local VMs that is)
03:19.45NeffiIriel: that's not a bad idea, but I didnt anticipate any trouble
03:20.37NeffiI can import the ZFS pool fine and see no issues when I boot live CD. I think the lockup occurred during a sync, leaving some system stuff in an inconsistent state
03:21.52NeffiI'd been using ZFS on BSD for long enough to trust that it'd be fine to use when migrating to Linux on this box :|
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03:23.58IrielZFS seems all manner of messed up given how wildly inconsistent platform support is
03:24.09Irielit scared me away sufficiently to not having tried it
03:24.17Semlarneffi joco is on NPR as a musician for one of their game shows
03:24.40NeffiIt's really solid on FreeBSD, Iriel
03:24.55NeffiSemlar: You just gave me a reason to watch it
03:25.02IrielUnfortunately I dont have any FreeBSD systems, but that's helpful to know in case I ever get one.
03:25.13IrielNPR = Radio = Listen?
03:25.24NeffiListen I guess
03:27.07Semlaryou could watch your radio
03:27.27Semlarit probably wouldn't do much though
03:29.53Semlar<PROTECTED>
03:35.14Semlari don't know if joco is enough of a reason to listen to ask me another though
03:37.17Arrowmasterhomelab and datahorder subreddits think zfs on linux is stable, a lot of users running it
03:39.01Neffimight not be ZoL's fault
03:39.07Neffibeen having some issues
03:41.24Arrowmasterusing a dedicated OS to handle the datastores is rather popular, id say the top 3 solutions i see being used is freenas, unraid, or a dedicated zfs on linux platorm like proxmox
03:42.28Neffiif I was going to do dedicated for storage, not sure I'd use anything besides freebsd
03:42.44Neffithe freenas UI is awful. no benefit there.
03:42.53Neffibut I was using zfs for root
03:43.09Arrowmasterwhich version of freenas?
03:43.13Mr_Rabiesas far as nas stuff goes i'm super spoiled by synology
03:43.37Arrowmastertheyve had 3 damn major versions recently
03:44.22Neffistuff like samba isn't hard to configure. not sure there is any need for a UI
03:44.27NeffiGUI*
03:46.12Arrowmasterid figure the benefit is in some of the other stuff like smart monitoring by default
03:49.34tztime to report ignored addons in twitch app as a bug.... again...
03:49.39tzsigh
03:52.45Mr_Rabiesthe twitch app is pretty buggy, it loved doing this thing where all the addon names were replaced with the version number
03:53.05Mr_Rabiesnow that's fixed after it finishes loading, but it insists all my addons were installed "Today" when it fixes it
03:53.17Mr_Rabiesi really miss the old curse client :(
03:53.22tzonly annoyance I've struck is that any addon-specific changes (ignore, release type etc) just get forgotten
03:53.33Mr_Rabiesthat too
03:53.37tzseems to be whenever a new update is pushed out
03:55.20Mr_Rabiesit's also an unresponsive, bloated pos but at least it's not covered in ads, i guess
03:55.34Mr_Rabieswell, non-twitch ads
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08:46.07zenzelezzpicked the cat up after she spent a night at the vet; had three fleece-blankets + the duvet spread around in her normal spots so she could find somewhere to relax. Obviously the choice was in the middle of the naked floor
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10:10.20AndolsGet a cardboard box!
10:14.20VIadhmm, I get nil errors when I do on the PTR GetBadluckProtection()
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10:18.09ls-pcwut?
10:19.33ls-pcstop calling imaginary funcs :D
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10:29.35VIad:d
10:29.55VIadwe have imaginary numbers in math so why not have imaginary functions?
10:50.01Aftermathhhi vlad
10:50.07Aftermathhnice voice changer last night tho
10:50.19Aftermathhyou finally sounded like a real man <3
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12:39.40AftermathhBesides, doing AddOns, i actually do music. Been working on this remix.. Don't really know what i think about it if anyone got some feedback or opinions, i would love to hear! https://www.dropbox.com/s/0280gjc82wzd68k/Follow%20Your%20Heart%20Remix_20.mp3?dl=0
13:05.39AndolsNot what i usually listen do so I can't say if it's good or not.
13:05.43AndolsBut it's not bad :P
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13:37.32AftermathhThanks! Not my usual style either, tried something different for this remix :D
13:56.50VIadnot what I listen to either, but listened to it earlier when you linked me, but it's not bad :p
14:27.33AftermathhThanks ^^
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17:15.46IndustrialHi
17:15.57IndustrialIs there an IRC Channel for Elder Scrolls Online UI things?
17:16.28IndustrialIt's not #esoui :)
17:16.41Industrialoh, right, #seouidev ..
17:16.48Industrials/seo/eso/
17:17.00Industrialgives purl a cookie
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17:22.48FiskerHey Seerah
17:23.03Seerahhi, Fisker
17:25.05Fiskerruns
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17:42.47Iriel'lo-cog
17:44.56FiskerI see how it is
17:46.15IrielHe logged in right as I got here
17:47.10FiskerExactly
18:04.45IrielI spent yesterday cleaning my garage and now my sinuses are having fits from all of the dust 8-(
18:05.32Fisker:(
18:05.56IrielI should have predicted it and taken precautions, but it didn't occur to me until it was too late
18:06.38Bluspacecowuse dis https://vicks.com/en-us/shop-products/vaporub/vapodrops-cough-drops
18:08.17IrielMuch as I'm a fan of vics for coughs/throat, this suffering is higher up.. I took some antihistamine laden stuff earlier, hopefully it'll kick in.
18:18.03Iriel... and pie, pie makes everything better, im tol
18:30.22Thunder_ChildIriel: Well there is always the water stuff.
18:31.22Thunder_ChildA nasal douche.
18:31.38IrielThunder_Child: that's what I should have done right afterwards
18:31.49nebulagood ol' neti pot
18:31.56Thunder_ChildIt can still be done.  Just not as effective.
18:32.27IrielYeah, did it before bed and this morning but it rarely helps much after the fact.
18:32.57IrielI blame california for all of this, I didn't have any allergy issues growing up
18:33.22Thunder_ChildHardly.  I don't have any allergies.
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19:16.25NeffiIndustrial: unfortunately they settled on Gitter, of all things
19:16.49Neffinot exactly a vibrant community anyway
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20:14.54Mr_Rabiesis there any reason an addon would fall back to using an old version of a lib instead of a newer version if say, another addon had the same lib, but older?
20:18.30IrielDepends how the library is structured - if they're using a libstub variant then it shouldn't do that
20:20.05Mr_Rabiestrying to figure out why all my addons that use LibItemUpgradeInfo are way wrong on ilvl
20:20.11Mr_Rabiesfor certain items
20:22.12Semlarmaybe the newest version doesn't work
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20:24.31Mr_Rabiesi'm gonna do something that probably will either have zero effect or will break a lot of things, i just removed that folder from all addons that use it and then have the lib installed seperately using twitch client
20:24.44Mr_Rabiesokay yeah nothing happened but it't still broken :<
20:24.50Mr_Rabiesit't
20:24.51Mr_Rabiesamazing
20:25.38Mr_Rabieshttp://i.imgur.com/6IMGfzG.png :<
20:26.04Mr_Rabiesalso wrong: my neck, trinket, etc - seems like anything that can scale depending on character level is broken
20:29.59Gnarfozmaybe it doesn't support that
20:31.05Mr_Rabieswell i mean like
20:31.13Mr_Rabiesit can drop at say, 660 if you're 100 when it drops
20:31.22Mr_Rabiesbut up to say, 785 if you're 110 when it drops
20:31.30Mr_Rabiesokay well
20:31.30IrielThunder_Child: My Virtuix Omni arrived this week (Years-old kickstarters are finally hitting completion). It's a monster.
20:31.34Mr_Rabiesi just logged back in and
20:31.40Mr_Rabieseverything's right now
20:31.40Mr_Rabieswtf
20:31.46Gnarfozyou said you deleted stuff
20:31.50Gnarfozdid you do that while the game was running
20:31.53Mr_Rabiesno
20:32.08Gnarfozshame, that'd have been an easy explanation
20:32.09Mr_Rabiesi closed out, deleted, logged in, saw nothing changed
20:32.27Mr_Rabiesclosed out, restored files
20:32.30Mr_Rabieslogged back in
20:32.33Mr_Rabiesilvls are correct
20:32.35Mr_Rabies???
20:33.05Thunder_ChildIriel: Have you played with it yet?
20:33.21GnarfozMr_Rabies: maybe it loaded a different version of the lib this time around and the loading mechanism is fucked
20:33.28Gnarfozloading order is not guaranteed IIRC
20:33.31Mr_Rabiesis there any way to tell which version is loaded?
20:33.36IrielA little, their Oculus support is sub-optimal, so i'm going to have to set up the vive in that room
20:33.40Semlarmaybe your computer is haunted
20:33.41Gnarfozmight be, look at the lib code
20:33.45IrielIt has promise.
20:33.51Irielit's also very well constructed
20:34.07Iriel(And arrives on a pallet, I have no idea what to do with the box)
20:34.08Gnarfoz(if it's using libstub, then yes, but then "loading mechanism fucked" is also probably not the case)
20:34.38IrielUnless it's libstub + using the same SavedVariables for two versions, but that wouldn't explain why it suddenly started working again
20:34.39Thunder_ChildOdd, I would have figured it worked worse with the Vive since it already has the room space motion.
20:34.49Semlari just scrape the item level out of the tooltip
20:35.01IrielI think the delay of Oculus Touch vs the vive tracked controllers made them invest their dev time there
20:35.05nevcairiellibraries using SVs are usually failing at life  anyway
20:35.20Thunder_ChildIriel: Send the box to Torhal so his cats can play with it.
20:35.26Semlarcan you even use saved variables in an embedded library
20:35.43nevcairielnot really
20:35.44Gnarfozhe did say he replaced it with a stand-alone version
20:35.45nevcairielthats why they fail
20:35.46nevcairiel:D
20:35.47Irielthe box is he one on the right of this picture, behind the aluminium ladder: https://goo.gl/photos/BoTjsCq5x7yTKYCq6
20:35.54Semlarnever use stand alone versions
20:36.08GnarfozIriel: that might actually fit all of Torhal's cat circus
20:36.12Thunder_ChildOh, it's not that big.
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20:36.37Gnarfozyour licence plate is the same as your licence plate holder
20:36.39Gnarfoz:o
20:36.40Irielit's full of foam padding though
20:36.56IrielGnarfoz: My wife's car's license plate has yet to show up
20:37.06IrielOddly we have the title so know what the plate number will be, but no plate
20:37.18Gnarfozoh that's a dealership's plates
20:37.22Irielyeah
20:37.27GnarfozI guess they're not actually road legal?
20:37.39nebulathey are
20:37.41Gnarfoz(might be as well, US states have different laws on this, right?)
20:37.44IrielIt's a relatively new car, so there's a sticker on the windshield that's got the temporary license
20:37.47Thunder_ChildThat is a two car garage with a distinct lack of ever being able to have two cars in it.
20:37.53nebulathe papers work in lieu of proper plates
20:37.56GnarfozI see
20:37.59IrielThunder_Child: yay for 1950's construction.
20:38.02nebulafor a set time
20:38.09Thunder_ChildIriel: Well not if it was clean....
20:38.19IrielThunder_Child: that *IS* clean 8-)
20:38.37IrielI think you mean 'empty'
20:38.41Gnarfozwe actually have to use temporary plates here :|
20:38.44Mr_Rabiesit's working now, my guess is it's caching incorrect data and relying on the cache or something, Gnarfoz - i forgot i already made a ticket on a very similar issue a while back lol https://www.wowace.com/projects/libitemupgradeinfo-1-0/issues/10
20:38.55Gnarfozwho's caching what?
20:39.01Gnarfozah, the lib?
20:39.07Mr_Rabiesour temporary plates are literally just 20 lb copy paper with a sticker on it
20:39.28Mr_Rabiesand the cops will wreck you if your temporary plate is missing
20:39.31Thunder_ChildIriel: Point.
20:39.32Semlarcaching item levels to saved variables in the first place just seems like bad design
20:39.53Gnarfozyeah that seems kind of pointless
20:40.05IrielEven empty I think i'd be challenged to fit two large vehicles
20:40.09Semlari can sort of see temporarily storing it in memory to save some cycles
20:40.10Mr_Rabiesyeah, the addon seems like the perfect storm of "overcomplicated" "everyone uses it" and "the author has real life stuff that keeps it from being maintained"
20:40.15Gnarfoz(and by that I mean to imply that the expiry date of the plate gets embossed onto the plate, so they're worthless after 5 days)
20:40.29Mr_Rabiesoh and also the final horseman "every patch breaks bonus ids and it has to be manually updated"
20:40.30Gnarfozwhat a waste of money and material
20:40.48Mr_Rabieswow, we don't even emboss permanent plates in georgia anymore
20:40.49Semlari wrote my own item level code forhttps://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/averageitemlevel
20:40.50Thunder_ChildIriel: Oh, well you couldn't open the door, but you could fit 2 cars in there.
20:41.11Mr_Rabiesthe edges and tax tag areas are embossed, but the numbers aren't
20:41.22Mr_Rabieswhich is such a bad design, since it'd be pretty easy to make a fake tag
20:41.39Gnarfoznot to mention even regular plates cost like 35€ or so if you are a dummy and forget that you will need them and thus buy them from the shop across the street from the registration office ^^
20:41.39IrielUK plates haven't been embossed as long as I can remember
20:41.42Irielthey seem to do just fine
20:41.45Semlar<PROTECTED>
20:42.47Mr_Rabiesflying around hunting down rare spawns so my 108 alt doesn't get destroyed in invasions lol
20:42.52Thunder_ChildIriel: My garage is fairly similar, but I don't think it has ever had a car in it in its entire existence.
20:42.54Gnarfoz(could have ordered them online for less than half that, and they'd have been made by a place employing only disabled people, AND they get a cut as well. so much win for everyone involved, shame I forgot :P)
20:43.55IrielThunder_Child: If we had only one car I suspect that'd be the case for us as well
20:43.55GnarfozMr_Rabies: I just leveled to 101, unlocked missions and did the same XP mission over and over until the char was 110... since then I've been doing the same AP mission over and over again... I've not played the character since going to 101.
20:44.32Mr_Rabiesthe xp missions seem to  peter out after a while
20:44.46IrielThat picture captues some of the excitement of my electric service upgrade too (The 2 towers on the roof to the right)
20:45.08Iriel(And the new grey panel outside which is currently completely unconnected thus the lack of an actual meter)
20:45.10Mr_Rabiesalso: order resources die out fast in my experience
20:45.13Gnarfoznot if you don't do any of the class hall stuff
20:45.26Gnarfozthe pool is just 2 missions total
20:45.26Gnarfoz;D
20:45.39Gnarfozbut yes, I had to supply OR from my main through blood of sargeras
20:46.01IrielGnarfoz: I think i might prefer being able to *GET* plates rather than having to wait for the state to mail them.
20:46.12GnarfozIriel: yeah that sounds annoying
20:46.14IrielEspecially because applying for some other things requires having plates
20:46.29Gnarfozthe AP missions are also very low ones, even at AK38 they only give like 2.5M
20:46.53nevcairieli gave up AK leveling my alts, i'll just buy AK40 tomes in a couple days when i'm done
20:47.00nevcairielcheaper on OR =p
20:47.48IrielThunder_Child: Mid-construction omni with puzzled dog: https://goo.gl/photos/LxTwwGSJ31MfVX4w5
20:49.26Gnarfoznevcairiel: good point... since I don't really alt... I hadn't made any particular plans ^^
20:50.20IrielSpaceX webcasts up (I suspect those who care already knew)
20:50.41nevcairielGnarfoz: neither do i, since it was so easy to just stop learnign AK when i ran out of OR on one =p
20:50.49Thunder_ChildSo just kd3 then.
20:55.37Gnarfozalso Alram pompy and me, at least
20:55.54GnarfozI just noticed it popping up in my youtube suggestions
20:56.05Alramyeah areth watching
20:56.27nevcairielnice distraction from all the other things i've been watching on youtube the last couple days
21:02.31Gnarfozgood thing I have two screens for both technical and hosted ;p
21:04.11nevcairielbut which audio to use :D
21:04.27Gnarfozalso, wine... or ice cream
21:04.50nevcairielmm i still have some icecream left
21:07.05nevcairielbut i might miss the launch if i go get icecream now
21:07.21Alramwait 30 seconds
21:07.24Alramthen get icecream
21:07.28Alramand be back in time for landing
21:12.26Gnarfozweird, the speed telemetry is vastly different between hosted and technical
21:12.30pompyGnarfoz: yeah I was 4 mins late but yay rewind'
21:12.59Gnarfozheh
21:13.17nevcairielGnarfoz: i doubt 20Mm/h is correct :p
21:13.19Gnarfozalso, since the streams were off by about 1 second, during ascent, it looked like there was two rockets having a race
21:13.34Gnarfoznevcairiel: actually that looks like t he correct one
21:13.44Gnarfozbut for stage 2, I guess
21:13.58Gnarfoznot sure, at least that one is 5 digits
21:15.23nevcairiel1.5km high and still 18000km/h? no :p
21:15.41nevcairielits like 18000 too high
21:15.45nevcairielbecause it landed at 18000 flat
21:15.46nevcairiel:D
21:15.49Gnarfozno, I mean it seemed like it was the speed for stage 2
21:16.08Gnarfozthe label said stage 1 though
21:16.21nevcairieland it matched the hosted exactly, just 18000 too high
21:16.25nevcairielsome offset
21:17.09Gnarfozyeah, good eye
21:17.13Gnarfozdidn't notice that
21:17.32nevcairielonly noticed it as it was going down during landing
21:18.33nevcairielstill feels crazy, 10 minutes to bring that thing up to its orbit
21:19.07Gnarfozcrazy fast? crazy little thing? crazy speed? ^^
21:19.26GnarfozI boggle mostly at how big the rocket is and how tiny the payload
21:19.43nevcairielfast and speed, i guess
21:19.55nevcairielbut just shows that it really isnt far to orbit
21:20.22Gnarfozwell, it's mostly a matter of speed, the ISS is indeed not that high up
21:20.56nevcairielit is zooming around the earth quite quickly though, they probably need to speed up still to match that in the next 2 days
21:22.45Gnarfoz27.6 Mm/h
21:23.25Gnarfozthey didn't show stage2 speed
21:24.13Alramtech cast telemtry was wrong
21:24.33Alramthey know
21:24.34Gnarfozby about 18 Mm/h :D
21:25.09Gnarfozdo you know how fast the 2nd stage usually is when dragon detaches?
21:25.57Alramcheck the falcon 9 user guide
21:26.01Alrammaybe mentioned
21:26.52Gnarfozdid you just tell me to RTFM a fucking rocket
21:26.57Gnarfoz:D
21:27.00Alramhttp://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/files/falcon_9_users_guide_rev_2.0.pdf
21:27.02Alramyes
21:27.08Gnarfozyeah google has it as #1 result ^^
21:27.25Alramits not rocket science
21:27.25pompyhttp://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/files/crs11finalpresskit.pdf
21:27.28pompyno speed really
21:29.27Mr_Rabiesoh, the same guy that does libiteminfo does mail commander lol, that explains a lot
21:30.10Mr_Rabiesall his addons are a bit buggy, overcomplicated, and he doesn't have the time to maintain them, but he has no real competition
21:30.18GnarfozAlram: but... it is!
21:30.25Alramright
21:30.25Alramsorry
21:30.31Gnarfoz<3
21:30.42Gnarfozand no, user guid doesn't seem to mention any speeds whatsoever
21:30.51Alramrip
21:33.46Alramyou can maybe find out via https://www.flightclub.io/world/?w=1&code=CR11
21:33.54Alramif you can scroll in time
21:35.38Gnarfozthat just said yvan eht nioj to me! brb signing up for the navy
21:36.14Gnarfozthat is quite an amazing site
21:37.06Gnarfozbut you can't scroll in time, can you
21:37.13Alramhavent figured out yet if you can
21:40.15Gnarfoznevcairiel: it's currently going at 26.6 Mm/h, so it "only" needs to add another 1000 km/h ^^
21:40.36nevcairielis that with 18Mm/h extra included? :p
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23:52.59GnarfozI think it might fly off if that was the case ^^

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