IRC log for #wowuidev on 20130830

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00:08.52KodiackAny of you happen to know which addon (if any) causes this annoying boss plate to show in the upper-ish right section of the screen?
00:08.52Kodiackhttp://i.imgur.com/mPoQHH4.png
00:09.03kd3|hate`netthe default UI?
00:09.27KodiackThought it might be default. Any way of disabling it, if you happen to know. It's really annoying lol
00:09.44kd3check interface options?
00:10.11KodiackHaven't had much luck :(
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00:11.08KodiackI have all the unit frames disabled, but there's no option for a boss unit frame...
00:12.43KodiackWell, found some info now. Looks like there's no option to disable it and you have to use something like Move Anything. Go figure.
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00:29.01airtonixfewyn: i hope you can manuever from orbit down through the atmosphere right into the city and on the landing pad... and deal with all the stuff related to that.
00:29.36airtonixall in first person.
00:29.55airtonixthis game will rock with oculus rift
00:54.40jleclanchehttps://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13233-Hangar-Module-Released
00:54.45jleclanchefewyn:
00:55.43jleclanchewhy do i have two game packages
00:55.59fewynno idea?
00:56.22TC-WorkOne package was not enough?
00:58.07jleclanchefewyn: are you on windows?
00:58.26fewynyes?
00:58.35jleclanchefewyn: do you have a few mins?
00:58.39fewynmaybe?
00:58.57fewyni'm trying to log back into ffxiv after the hangar caused it to crash
00:59.11pompyso yeah http://blog.malwarebytes.org/intelligence/2013/08/malware-to-victims-because-f-you-thats-why/
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01:03.23jleclanchefewyn: what happens when you run the launcher? any error messages?
01:03.53fewynnope, i got a account login is expired
01:03.58fewynwhen trying to actually play
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01:20.55jleclanchefewyn: grmmm. http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34388
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01:21.13jleclanchethis is weird though
01:21.27jleclanchethis message seems common in some other installers
01:21.35jleclancheit shows up on google for flash and some other games
01:22.04jleclancheforce-returning true in CryptVerifySignatureA doesnt help though
01:28.09Dagmar'duz it's what all the cool crypto-providers are doin'
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01:31.58jleclancheDagmar: you good with windows' crypt apis? :P
01:31.58jleclanchehttp://dpaste.com/1360331/
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01:47.19DagmarNo, I'm smart enough to leave that to people who are better at math.
01:47.49jleclancheDagmar: you on windows right now? I need a registry key value
01:47.59DagmarI've got access to a Win7 box yes
01:48.15jleclanchecan you export Software\\Microsoft\\Cryptography\\OID\\EncodingType 1\\CryptDllImportPublicKeyInfoEx\\1.2.840.113549.1.1.1 ?
01:48.20jleclanchein HKCU
01:49.31Arrowmasteri tried playing a video while its still downloading and it errored out because it says its in JPEG 2000
01:49.42Arrowmasterwho the fuck encodes in JPEG 2000
01:49.45DagmarI must not have whatever installed you have installed.  I've no entry for OID
01:49.58jleclanchehm
01:50.01DagmarArrowmaster: People convinced the patent will be worth something someday, if they just keep at it.
01:50.35kd3there's one in hklm, but it doesn't have what you're looking for
01:50.51Arrowmasterthe file name says its an x264.mp4 but libavformat is convinced its a Motion JPEG 2000
01:51.06jleclanchekd3: yes there should be one there too
01:51.08jleclanchecan you export that?
01:51.09kd3CryptDll{Decode,Encode}Object{,Ex}
01:51.16kd3and CryptDllFormatObject
01:51.22jleclancheall of HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\Cryptography\OID
01:51.23kd3those are the keys close to what you listed
01:52.59kd3<PROTECTED>
01:52.59Thunder_Child"A group of models find themselves trapped in a factory inhabited by a cannibalistic degenerated family." Ah yes, realism at its finest.
01:53.28jleclanchekd3: thx
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02:03.34jleclancheuuuuuuuhhhhhhh
02:03.49jleclanchekd3: whats the content of Software/Microsoft/SystemCertificates for you?
02:03.55jleclanchescreenshot if poss
02:03.58kd3sec
02:06.55kd3<PROTECTED>
02:07.41jleclanchethanks
02:07.43jleclanchethats all i needed
02:10.48kd3well, the UK backed out of starting world war III... guess that means it falls to us
02:10.49kd3sighs
02:14.24kd3/really/ hopes we don't do anything
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02:23.29xyphoidi really don't even understand the point of an air strike
02:23.59Shirikto blow shit up?
02:28.36pompy^
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04:20.29Neffihttp://imgur.com/gallery/2pTNG
04:20.40Neffimore in comments
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04:50.03Primertl;dr
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06:30.06NuSueymorning :)
06:37.59ShirikCairenn: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/kittens-shut-subway-service-45-minutes-article-1.1440740
06:38.14Cairenn<PROTECTED>
06:38.15Cairennhah
06:43.44Kalrothaww
06:46.30zenzio"A major crisis was averted in the subway Thursday on the fe-line."
06:46.40zenzioglad to see I'm not the only person who likes cheesy puns
06:51.49Kalrothhttp://i.imgur.com/aCiDryN.jpg kitten overflow
06:52.02NeffiFriend of mine is an MTA worker who hates to admit he has a soft spot. I need to find out if he was involved in the rescue.
06:52.09NeffiHe'll never live it down
06:52.28Cairennzomg kittens!
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07:05.27PrimerCan anyone recommend an addon that summarized a raid comp in terms of roles?
07:06.07rid_raidcomprolesummerizer
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07:49.43airtonixhttp://imgur.com/gallery/pXs0LGW
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07:51.45NeffiVery nice editing there
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07:52.50NeffiAny chance one of you guys has some experience with different game engines and tools?
07:53.09NeffiLooking for recommendations for a free game engine and toolset(s) to start messing around with
07:53.45Neffi3D ones, something I can make an action-RPG style game in
07:58.55airtonixogre?
07:59.00airtonixno idea
07:59.14airtonixi know blender can make games
08:01.03airtonixhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_game_engines
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08:03.32sumeetSo 5,4 soon
08:03.37NeffiAlso, is it just me or is it impossible to get TD Bank's online bullshit to work?
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08:03.45NeffiEvery time I've tried to sign up for an account, I get invalid info
08:03.53bluspacecowTD bank ?
08:04.13NeffiYes, TD
08:04.22NeffiI'm about to tell them to fuck off and go to Chase
08:05.00CairennWorks fine for me, Neffi
08:05.48Neffi2nd account I've had there, probably the 10th time I've tried to sign up. I'm reading the info off my statements and card. I know it's not incorrect.
08:06.38CairennSo, call their support dept and have them help you figure out why you can't get signed up :p
08:07.24NeffiI tried once. The support was pretty stupid.
08:07.38NeffiChase has a much bigger presence here in NY and their mobile app is really awesome anyway.
08:07.50NeffiI don't think it's worth sticking with TD
08:08.11bluspacecowMy Banks like the Mac
08:08.15bluspacecowit just works
08:08.24bluspacecowtheir website that is
08:08.25Neffiyou spelled werks wrong
08:08.27bluspacecowmost of the time
08:10.22Neffi"Our system is currently offline" retreiving my balance. Fuck this. I'm going to Chase tomorrow.
08:18.23CairennSorry, didn't think about the fact that you're trying to work with their US site
08:19.08CairennYou have to remember, TD is a Canadian (originating) bank.
08:20.10bluspacecowit is ?
08:20.12CairennThey've been down there for a while, but they're still Canadian-centric
08:20.15CairennYes
08:20.23CairennTD == Toronto Dominion
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08:21.13bluspacecowI was thinking TSB
08:21.15bluspacecow:|
08:21.39NeffiOh god the healthcare-hippies to the north have control of our money?
08:21.51Neffi=)
08:23.22CairennAnd politicians that admit to having smoked pot :p
08:23.44Cairenn(It's been a thing this week)
08:28.24NeffiWe had a politician admit to smoking pot but not inhaling
08:28.33NeffiI think that's the best the US is gonna get for a while
08:31.52Neffiheh http://i.imgur.com/Jjtpdi9.jpg
08:32.46Cairennlol
08:37.44Neffihttp://i.imgur.com/UawzZYe.jpg
08:37.50Neffiworth the read
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08:42.22Sintacks/run SetNamePlateMotionType(GetNamePlateMotionType()==2 and 1 or 2)
08:42.33Sintacksk. i has dat to toggle between the two modes
08:42.41Sintacksbut i can't get it to print the new one after
08:47.07NeffiWhat do you mean print the new one?
08:47.42Sintacksprint to chat what the new setting is.
08:48.07Maldiviaprint("Name plate motion is now: " .. GetNamePlateMotionType()) ?
08:48.08NeffiAlso: GetNamePlateMotionType()%2+1
08:48.20NeffiBecause math is more fun than boolean logic
08:53.55NeffiSintacks: I feel violated. You stole my version.
08:54.18Sintackswanted to know if either of you had mIRC so I would know if either of you knew what $iif was
08:54.46Sintackscuz i want to know if there is something that does the same in lua
08:55.04NeffiHmm. What is $iif?
08:55.16Sintacks$iif(statement = true,yes,no)
08:55.52Neffiare yes and no expressions that are evaluated?
08:55.57NeffiI mean, this could mean a lot of things
08:56.14Sintacksif they are a var or an alias, yes
08:56.40Neffiprint( dosomething() and "true" )  -> prints nil if false
08:56.59NeffiA shorthand for if-then-else that doesnt always work is:
08:57.07Neffi_ = a and b() or c()
08:57.15NeffiSay,
08:58.03Neffi_ = showBtn and btn:Show() or btn:Hide()
08:58.07NeffiBut don't use that
08:58.15NeffiNot in functional code. Because it's ugly and wrong.
08:58.54NeffiOh, and if you do you might want to make it local
09:01.29NeffiUnless you're trying to shorten shit to make debugging with /script easier, I don't see any need for something like $iif
09:02.11Sintacksi want to print the new nameplatemotion after changing it with a macro, but not as a 1 or a 2
09:02.48NeffiAs what?
09:03.34Neffiprint( ({"Motion 1", "Motion 2"})[GetNamePlateMotionType()] )
09:03.39NeffiIf you want to make it macro-short
09:04.41Maldiviaand how is that shorter than "Motion " .. GetNamePlateMotionType() ?
09:05.04NeffiBecause I assume he wants to write something custom
09:05.22NeffiLike "floating" or "static". I dont even know what that API does though.
09:06.49Sintacksyeah
09:06.51Sintacksthat's what i wanted
09:06.52Sintacksand that works
09:06.53Sintacksthanks
09:06.56Neffinp
09:07.09Sintacksno idea what it actually means or how it works, but it works. lol
09:07.26Sintacks/run SetNamePlateMotionType(GetNamePlateMotionType()==2 and 1 or 2)
09:07.27Sintacks/run print( ({"Overlapping", "Stacking"})[GetNamePlateMotionType()] )
09:08.21NeffiFrom inside out: create an array with two strings at position 1 and 2;; wrap it in parentheses it to make it treatable like a variable;; index that array with the result of GetNamePlateMotionType() (get either string 1 or string 2);; print that
09:08.55NeffiI still think you should change "==2 and 1 or 2" to "%2+1"
09:08.57NeffiIt looks cooler
09:09.18NeffiYou can add a comment about being a math superhero and you'll get an invitation to the prestigious Math Super Hero Club
09:09.25Maldivia<PROTECTED>
09:09.37Maldivia_G :P
09:10.53SintacksI think i did enough math for the month making a spreadsheet to figure out how to spend someone's ironpaw tokens to make noodlecarts
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09:11.40NeffiI don't miss theorycrafting
09:12.11NeffiThe nice part of single player RPGs is I can say "this choice is non-optimal, so that's what I'm going with"
09:12.39StanzillaSintacks: can has? I have like 200 tokens
09:16.02Sintackshttp://puu.sh/4eAFd.xlsx
09:16.34Stanzillathanks
09:16.43Sintacksprobably confusing at first look
09:17.46Stanzillaso far it looks like that I will go there on patch day and just buy all the things
09:18.12Sintacksall the shit to the right of the two collums that make up the list is to figure out how many tokens you need to make each extra cart
09:18.34Sintacksso if you have no mats and no food already, you could use that.
09:18.49Stanzillaalright
09:19.09Sintacksother than that, the only imputs are the amount of each of the 6 food you have, and the amoutns of mats you have, and the target number of food
09:19.33Sintacksand that's food, not number of carts.
09:20.08SintacksI first made it to even out the amount of food i have for carts
09:20.47Sintackscuz i started collecting food a month ago. and then someone quit, and gave me all their stam and str food.... so i was way off and wanted to even it all back out
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10:18.41jleclancheext4 doesnt support online resizing?
10:19.17jleclancheaw
10:22.16zenzioin this case "online" is while in use?
10:22.34jleclancheya
10:27.53jleclanchewell i didnt think this through.
10:28.21zenzioyou corrupted it, didn't you
10:28.28jleclancheno, not that
10:28.45jleclanchei have to split my ssd to get a 60ish gb windows partition on it
10:28.54jleclanchei dont have anywhere else to boot to
10:29.25jleclanchei tried putting the windows iso on my 4gb pendrive, but it's a few megabytes too big
10:29.44jleclanchei exchanged my 4gb pendrive for an 8gb one, put windows on that
10:30.14jleclanche... now i still cant resize my main drive because i need somewhere to boot to. that somewhere was the 4gb pendrive.
10:31.02zenzionot sure I understand; can you not use the 8 GB one in the same way?
10:32.04jleclanchethere's windows on it
10:32.04jleclanche:P
10:32.23jleclancheand it takes ages to write to because of my stupid usb port defects
10:34.02NeffiGParted LiveCD?
10:34.12NeffiAlways works when I need to do resizing
10:34.30jleclanchenah im just gonna get my old pendrive back as well
10:34.45jleclanchei have an arch live on it
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10:37.45jleclancheuuugh
10:37.46jleclanchehttp://store.antec.com/Product/accessory-spare_parts/mini-p180-port-assembly/0-761345-30233-3.aspx
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11:33.12zenziohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehbfb9ieMB8
11:33.48jleclanchewoh
11:33.48jleclanchehttp://paste2.org/Gm45Ffjx
11:33.53jleclanchewtf's going on
11:34.13zenziomust be a monster USB hub
11:35.35zenziotoo many USB devices apparently
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11:50.43karl_w_wso when is google going to buy wolfram alpha?
11:55.41zenziowhen there's nothing left to break on Youtube
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12:04.27airtonixkarl_w_w: that ok with you guy?
12:04.36airtonixsorry for highlighting you
12:04.50airtonixalso sorry for directly talking to you
12:05.03airtonixapparently it's not in the rules of common sense
12:05.36karl_w_wI know not of what you speak, airtonix
12:05.49airtonixhow dare you highlight and directly speak to me
12:05.53airtonixi am offended
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12:13.31karl_w_wI resemble your attitude airtonix
12:14.19KalrothI assemble your altitude airtonix
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12:17.33jleclanche~ping
12:17.34purl~pong
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12:18.42Fiskernope
12:19.30mikmahttp://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/traffic_jam2.jpg
12:35.08mikmahttp://imgur.com/gallery/g7g2zRy
12:35.36Neffihttp://i.imgur.com/1Uirw.png
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12:38.33zenzioit's a pity he went from those great roles to play in House
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12:44.27mikma"cobble-stone-clippity-clops"
12:47.20NeffiI disagree. House might've become cookie-cutter and poorly dramatized, but its original wasn't bad and stuck well enough. And Laurie made the best damn House that could ever exist.
12:47.34NeffiHe was as good a House as Tennant was the Doctor
12:47.54Neffis/its original/its original premise/
12:50.09zenziothere has been more than one House?
12:50.52NeffiI mean to say he fit the role perfectly
12:51.05NeffiAs if the role was as much his creation as the producer's
12:52.04zenziosorry, I misread your earlier sentence, somehow read it as a comparison
12:52.38zenzioI can see what you're saying though; and I'm sure he does a good job
12:52.53zenziothe series just didn't click with me, is all
12:55.01Neffihttp://i.imgur.com/CHObr.png always makes me chuckle
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12:56.56jleclanchequassel's sqlite backend really sucks with large backlogs :/
13:00.26nevcairieluse postgres
13:05.30zenziothanks to Internet forums, I can never tell if people are being serious or not when they suggest that
13:05.56nevcairieli'm serious, quassel works quite brilliantly with postgres
13:06.08nevcairielif you ask nicely, i can even offer you accounts :p
13:08.26karl_w_wso I was just reflecting on something and it has reminded me of this little fact: water freezing is one of the coolest things in science
13:08.41karl_w_wairtonix agrees with me
13:08.44nevcairielhow so? why not other liquids?
13:09.13zenzioisn't water a little special when it comes to freezing?
13:09.31karl_w_wessentially because other liquids get denser when they freeze, water gets less dense, and if that wasn't the case there would probably be no (or a lot less) life on earth
13:09.56zenzioand we wouldn't get awesome videos of stuff breaking as the ice expands
13:10.35karl_w_wice floats, which means the top of rivers and lakes freeze, which insulates the water underneath allowing some of it to stay water. if ice was denser than water the whole damn thing would freeze solid, so everything would die.
13:10.58karl_w_wand ice doesn't expand :P
13:11.07zenziodon't detroll me
13:11.19zenzioit's Friday afternoon, this is all I have to get through it
13:11.29karl_w_wpats zenzio
13:13.57zenziothough looking at Google, I'm not sure anymore \o/
13:14.19karl_w_wit's stuff like this which should make god-botherers less fearful of science
13:14.44karl_w_wit's not hard to see the possibility of the hand of creation in shit like that
13:15.20zenzioo_O
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14:00.42karl_w_whttp://blog.funnypik.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/p101.jpg
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14:01.00karl_w_wand then you see the bear
14:01.43zenziothose get so dull in the end
14:01.50bleeterzenzio: this is possibly the best Laurie ever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Inm51z9yqa8
14:02.02Maldiviaconsidering the gravital pull they have on they surroudings... they mus be very heavy
14:02.12zenziobleeter: lol
14:05.51pompyhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1151068_10153179737640065_1792689829_n.jpg
14:06.01zenzioMaldivia: you could say they were... massive
14:06.32zenziopompy: I don't get it :-|
14:06.50Maldiviapompy: lol
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14:07.28karl_w_weverything is massive zenzio :P
14:07.39zenzioeverything is relative
14:08.00karl_w_wI think/hope that picture was deliberately over the top though
14:08.21zenzioyou never know... some people actually like them that big
14:08.24zenziobeats me why
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14:13.33NuSueyGlory to ARSTOTZKA!
14:16.19airtonixno karl_w_w, it was gods will
14:16.35airtonixas in was, but longer, because beiber
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15:01.09AckisI hate sharepoint :(
15:01.52nicoli_si only know of it from horror stories from others, but i feel for you
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15:35.42Ackisnicoli_s: anyone at Curse use it?
15:39.03karl_w_wwhy would anyone use it?
15:40.19AckisCurse is big with Microsoft and maybe they have project pages and/or intranet stuff on a SharePoint site
15:41.49UnkleSharepoint - not my favorite thing to administer.
15:42.36Ackisit seems wonderful and powerful, but I just don't have access/permissions to do anything
15:43.40nicoli_sAckis: nope
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15:45.13karl_w_whttp://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1336995-The-worst-pain-you-ve-ever-felt jesus christ this thread
15:45.20Unkleit is a festering pile of vileness and evil and every time MSFT patches it I have to spend hours fixing things.
15:45.51karl_w_wworst pain I have had was when i dislocated my kneecap really badly, but that can't be anywhere near these guys
15:47.41karl_w_walthough when I did that they gave me this morphine gas stuff which was fuckin amazing
15:49.38nicoli_ssounds amazing
15:50.11ShirikI once scratched my eye
15:50.20Shirikthe doctor wanted to put this gel in it
15:50.40Shirikhowever my eyes hate anything near them and so every time he went to put the gel in, my eyes instinctively closed before it would get in
15:50.41karl_w_wit was amazing nicoli_s, they gave me the mask and just told me to breath in slow and steady
15:50.48Fiskerwere you on your knees Shirik?
15:50.50Shirikthe problem is that every time my eyes closed it hurt like hell
15:50.55karl_w_wI thought it was just oxygen at first, but within like 20s the pain was gone
15:50.55Shirikbut that didn't matter
15:51.00Shirikbrain was like "fuck no that gel's not getting in there"
15:51.23UnkleShirik: the antibiotic goop?
15:51.29ShirikI don't know what it was
15:51.38Shirikall I know is that I couldn't see after it finally got in :P
15:51.47karl_w_wI'm like that with my eyes Shirik
15:51.53UnkleI had to put a bunch of it on my eye as a kid and wear an eye patch for about 2 weeks.
15:52.31kd3er... I'd think the "omg something near my eyes... shut. down. everything!" response is innate to everyone
15:52.55karl_w_wi can't even bring myself to risk touching my eye myself to get an eyelash out
15:53.11karl_w_wi have to like work it into the corner :P
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15:54.00karl_w_wmost people seem to be able to power through it though kd3
15:54.16kd3I tried getting contacts... it did /not/ go well
15:54.23karl_w_wI'm lucky I'm not a woman, eyeliner and mascara would be off the table
15:55.16karl_w_wyou tried getting contacts? I've never even considered the possibility :P
15:58.16UnkleContacts were so much of a hassle that I went back to just wearing glasses.  Not because I couldn't put them in my eye.  But because after 6 weeks, it still took me 30 minutes to get them onto my eye.
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16:05.56nicoli_syeah i have never gotten contacts for that reason
16:06.06nicoli_si cant even do eye drops properly\
16:06.16nicoli_smy eye just instinctively closes
16:06.31nicoli_sand when i hold it open, like half the time i get something in my eye that i cant get out for hours and it drives me crazy
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16:22.58karl_w_whttp://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1336995-The-worst-pain-you-ve-ever-felt?p=22240269&viewfull=1#post22240269 fuckkkk
16:23.01TC-WorkSo nothing on the networks seems to have changed yet foo.html seems to resolve differently than foo.html/ for no apparent reason.
16:26.09karl_w_wshit man
16:26.55karl_w_wI can't wrap my head around how painful that would be, drilling out a root without drugs
16:27.31TC-WorkIt took 3 shots for me before I could no longer feel the rootcanal
16:27.38LopeppeppyWhy do people wait until the afternoon of the friday of a holiday weekend to break shit?  Jeebus.
16:27.57LopeppeppyTC, novacaine doesn't even work on me - I've had dental work without drugs. It is not nice.
16:27.57TC-WorkFun and games?
16:28.10TC-WorkI bet it does work on you.
16:29.16Lopeppeppy6 shots the last time - and I walked out rather than let them get with the drilling.
16:32.12TC-WorkNo gas?
16:32.21UnkleLopeppeppy: *nod*  When I got stitches in my knee, it took 10 applications of Novocain.
16:33.19LopeppeppyI was a weeeee bit upset with all the needles in the pokings, TC - their lovely gas chamber wasn't having much effect anymore either.  :)
16:34.11Fiskerslaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout
16:34.22LopeppeppyUnkle, we use bupivacaine for topicals for me - lidocaine doesn't work either, it's too chemically close to novacaine apparently.  My hand doctor had a great time testing out numbing agents on me...  *rolls eyes*
16:35.43Unklefun times.
16:37.03LopeppeppySome days it ain't nice to be redhead.
16:37.50Shirikit is always nice to be redhead
16:37.54Unkleexcept for that whole "power to cloud men's minds" thing?
16:38.07UnkleWait, that's the Shadow.  My bad.
16:38.48Shirikisn't that a good thing?
16:40.07alestaneI always remember the Shadow's principal attribute as knowing what evils lurk in the hearts of men, although I guess he did also do the clouding of the minds thingie.
16:40.33UnkleThat's how he did stealth and keeping his secret identity!
16:41.49ShirikIn other news
16:41.53ShirikTIL in Japanese Tofu is spelled toufu
16:42.25alestaneI think that's gotta be in the top three for "most obscure/dated pop-culture reference in a Muppet Babies episode."
16:42.45Unkle"On September 26, 1937, The Shadow radio drama premiered with the story "The Deathhouse Rescue", in which the character was characterized as having "the power to cloud men's minds so they cannot see him.""  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shadow
16:43.09alestaneIn Japanese romanized according to many systems, anyway, Shirik.
16:43.32Shirikok let me clarify
16:43.42ShirikTIL in Japanese tofu is spelled with 3 characters, not 2
16:43.45alestaneMy textbooks favored a methodically phonetic system in which it was romanized as toofu
16:43.49Shiriksure
16:43.58Shirikpoint is it's not tofu
16:44.03alestaneYes, this is correct. The first vowel is extended.
16:47.00Shirikemerge --sync
16:47.26Shirikthe perils of not looking at your monitor while you type
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17:11.32alestaneUnkle, for sheer ballsiness, I'm not sure there'll ever be a hero to stand up to Will Eisner's The Spirit.
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17:11.54alestaneLiterally, his only real special attribute was being legally dead.
17:12.28alestaneAlthough he did supplement this with a sort of Batcave environment as he was developed.
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17:45.22Unklealestane: Yeah, but all those pulp action mystery men were all "larger than life" and pumped up in some way.
17:45.57UnkleLike, peak physical condition, special training or some kind, etc.
17:47.17alestaneThat was the funny thing; The Spirit was certainly in good shape and a capable fist fighter, but never depicted as a really exceptional individual, at least that I saw. His biggest advantage in a fight was that he was unhesitating.
17:47.29UnkleDoc Savage, Alan Quartermain, The Shadow, The Spirit, The Green Hornet, The Lone Ranger, etc.
17:47.43Ackisdo mericans get a long weekend?
17:47.46Ackisor just us canucks?
17:47.55UnkleDepends on where you work.
17:47.57alestaneYes, Monday is Labor Day.
17:48.02Ackiss/Labor/Labour/
17:48.13alestaneAlthough not every place closes as Unkle points out.
17:48.34AckisI know here if you have to work you get 1.5x or 2x your wage
17:50.17alestaneActually, Unkle, what I think I find most remarkable about the Spirit is that he didn't really have a driving mission; he woke up from a chemical suspended animation and, discovering that he was considered dead and undocumented, and therefore no-one was looking for him and he couldn't be prosecuted (that's a little shaky, but hey), that he had an unparalleled OPPORTUNITY to fight crime.
17:50.39Unklealestane: Yeah.   Pretty cool.
17:50.59alestaneHe didn't have any thirst for revenge or anything like that.
17:51.01UnkleA lot of the Sin City characters are like that too.  Men/Women of strong will.
17:51.15alestaneHe just went, "You know, I'm in a great position to make a difference."
17:56.35Ackisso me going from disability pay to full time pay nets me an increase of $200 a paycheck only =/
17:56.57UnkleI love all that stuff, alestane.  All those pulp action hero novels are formula and fun.
17:59.10alestaneReminds me a little bit of A Princess of Mars, where John opines that he can't really take any credit for heroism, because he is apparently just so constituted that he can't walk away from someone in jeopardy.
18:01.00alestaneAckis, a lot of places in the U.S. have holiday overtime, although I think the exact laws depend on the state you're in.
18:01.04UnkleYeah.  The only writer of the time not doing "Men of Action" that readily springs to mind is Lovecraft
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18:01.41alestaneMost of his protragonists seemed to be busy hiding under the bed because they couldn't bear what they had discovered.
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18:02.33UnkleAs well they should!
18:03.25alestaneUnkle, have you seen http://www.fredvanlente.com/cthulhutract/ ?
18:04.04UnkleNo, I hadn't.
18:04.09alestaneIt's a parody of the severely Christian Chick Tract comic/leaflets.
18:04.28alestaneThe end was the part I liked the best.
18:07.54alestaneIn that gallows-humor kind of way.
18:12.08alestaneI wish the guy at http://owmysanity.comicgenesis.com/d/20091225.html would get his crap back together; that book has been "on hiatus" for two years now and I sort of have my doubts it's ever coing back.
18:12.17alestanecoming* back
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18:14.32UnkleI always try to remember what Neil Gaiman says about that "<Insert Author Name> is not my bitch."
18:15.33alestaneYeah, it's not like I can actually rail about the author needing to have a life.
18:17.14alestaneDavid Gerrold and Melanie Rawn have series that seem like they're unlikely to ever be continued at this point, both of which I'm annoyed about, but whatcha gonna do? Creative work is basically a gift from the author to the world at large, and whining about someone not giving you the present you wanted is the act of a six-year-old.
18:22.29UnkleYup.  And what happens when the author you love dies with unfinished work?   Do you rail about how they should have worked faster/harder?
18:23.05alestaneYou do your best to pick up the pieces.
18:23.31alestaneThat happened to Jo Clayton's Drums of Chaos series, and more famously to Jordan's Wheel of Time.
18:23.43alestaneI haven't read any of Sanderson's contribution yet.
18:23.56TC-WorkI thought Jordans son/wife/someone took over.
18:24.15alestaneI was grateful to Kevin Andrew Murphy for finishing Drum Into Silence, although he is not Jo Clayton, and it shows in the book.
18:24.25alestaneBrandon Sanderson, TC-Work.
18:24.48alestaneHe's written some excellent novels in his own right, I really enjoyed Elantris.
18:25.54UnkleI was thinking about Zelazny, but yeah.
18:26.24alestaneOne of these days I should read Amber again, now that I'm more of an age to make sense of it.
18:26.58UnkleIt's well worth the re-read.  As is Lord of Light
18:27.03alestaneI think I was in 5th or 6th grade when I originally picked up Nine Princes, and a lot of it went over my head.
18:27.24alestaneIn my copious spare time.
18:28.27alestaneThe book I keep trawling used bookstores for, Unkle, is A Night in the Lonesome October.
18:29.16TC-Work*sigh* I have like 100 books I want to get but I have no where to put them
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18:35.29Unkle... I wish you had said something.  I have a paperback.
18:36.16alestaneWell, you're not exactly convenient to borrow from.
18:36.22alestaneAt least for me.
18:37.13UnkleI need to look in my seal box of books.   I'm pretty sure I have it and I would happily loan it to you.   I met Zelazny at a small con in where he talked about the book coming out soon, and he dies not much after.
18:38.28alestaneI know my friend Crane has one, that's how I read it originally, but I also know he's really attached to it.
18:38.40alestaneRather like his Duncan & Mallory collection.
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18:46.15alestane"You're basically saying that I'm trapped in this pact until I want to fulfill it for any reason other than to leave it."
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18:58.49AckisI have a couple coupons for 50% off Sniper Elite: Nazi Zombie Army if anyone wants
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19:01.44LopeppeppyNo ever has coupons for Barbie Salon Surprise.
19:02.00TC-WorkBecause it is such a good seller it does not need any
19:02.59TC-WorkI have 13 free games in my inventory
19:03.41TC-Workand 5 toki tori cupons
19:03.56TC-Workthat expire in a year
19:05.38LopeppeppyIs toki tori contagious?
19:07.33TC-WorkNot really.
19:16.29kd3emails out
19:17.17Fiskerbeen out for a few decades
19:22.07TC-Workkd3: Wrong email again?
19:22.39kd3sighs
19:24.05Fiskeri know who you are now!
19:24.22kd3not like I haven't done it before and twitter.com/Kaydeethree has my real name too...
19:49.44TC-Workkd3: more about people having filters for your other email address.
19:49.47UnkleSo does your Google+ account?
19:53.03kd3probably? I haven't looked at it in forever
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20:31.23Semlaris the ptr up
20:31.44kd3should be soon if it isn't already... new build went out an hour ago
20:31.49Semlarit wasn't showing any of the realms for me
20:32.10Semlarthat could be why
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20:54.28MechanicsHi
20:54.50MechanicsMay I ask a question regarding game sound?
20:55.01kd3shoot
20:56.06MechanicsIf you disable the ingame sound and music is there a script command or something to enable only the stealth sound?
20:56.17MechanicsYou know the sound if rogues or ferals are around you
20:56.51UnkleSounds are not really controlled on an individual basis, so no.
20:57.29UnkleYou can turn music off and ambiance sounds off.  But if you turn all sound off, you can't make the game play an indiviual sound.
20:57.32MechanicsDo you know any other solutions to just hear stealths sound?
20:57.49kd3not offhand
20:57.55UnkleYou could replace all the other sounds you never, ever, want to hear again with blank files.
20:58.38MechanicsCan you create hundreds of sound files in a fast way?
20:59.19MechanicsIt takes hours to create them one by one, doesn`t it?
20:59.21Unkleyeah. copy/paste/rename
20:59.28kd3you'd create one blank sound file and copy it.
20:59.52UnkleYou're making a blank file.  It doesn't even have to be a valid audio file, it just has to have the right name.
21:00.38MechanicsMaybe I try this
21:01.01MechanicsThanks so far :)
21:01.18UnkleYou'll need a list of all the sounds.  There's one on WoWInterface.com maintained by bluspacecow
21:01.57MechanicsI already downloaded a list
21:03.40MechanicsDo you know the name of the stealth sound that shall not exist as blank file?
21:04.55Unkleno
21:06.24MechanicsThanks
21:28.00MechanicsThere seems to be an addon that already contains all blanket sound files :)
21:28.35Semlarconvenient
21:28.48MechanicsVery :)
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21:52.25jleclancheMy poor hard drive.
21:52.39jleclancheseven years old and he starts melting
21:52.59jleclanchesix years and half of being used as main drive.. he's seen some serious abuse
21:53.11Fisker:(
21:54.10jleclanchei moved all my remaining files out of it, now i only have the blizzard MPQs
21:54.19jleclancheproblem is, now i have the blizzard MPQs on it.
21:54.37jleclanche988G    mpq
21:55.15jleclanchepoor sod is full and ive no idea where to put that data :\
21:58.40Semlarwhy do you need a terabyte of mpqs
21:58.56kd3eek. I may need to shell out for a better cooler. I'm compiling wine and coretemp's hovering in the 70s
21:59.34Semlarif it makes you feel any better my eee pc gets up over 90 C
22:01.20jleclancheSemlar: I don't need a terabyte of MPQs
22:01.29jleclanchebut as it turns out, a lot of people contact me about it
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22:03.53kd3speaking of wine... it'd be really nice if the devs would commit the patch to get the battle.net app working
22:04.14jleclanchekd3: which?
22:04.47kd3http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33947#c6
22:05.13jleclanchehas it been sent?
22:05.23jleclanchethey dont pick up patches from bugzilla
22:10.20Unklejleclanche: That's a pretty long life span for spinning rust.
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22:10.56jleclancheUnkle: it is
22:11.08jleclancheUnkle: and don't get me wrong, it might be melting but it's still alive and kicking
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22:11.18jleclancheI'm running backups on the MPQs and sha1sums
22:11.19UnkleThat's kind of awesome.
22:13.41UnkleYou mentioned going to SSD.  Which model and size did you choose?
22:14.33jleclanchei bought a samsung 840 512GB the other day
22:14.42jleclanchepretty cheap tbh
22:15.12jleclanchei use WD mybooks for all large storage
22:16.17harlhttps://soundcloud.com/dj-spim/flat-beat-mr-oizo-dj-spim
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22:16.37UnkleNice.  I have a couple of 256GB and a 60GB in my windows box.  I am very happy to have made the jump.
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22:20.52TC-WorkMy torrent drive is starting to die and it has something like 3-4 years of 100% activity
22:23.04TC-WorkI kind of fail to see the point for SSD's other than my primary drive.
22:23.57UnklePutting WoW on the SSD really, really, really reduced zoning time.
22:24.08Unkle(It's on the 60GB)
22:24.11kd3Power_On_Hours ... 48327
22:24.33kd3*4 (the elements of my original raid)
22:25.18kd3I think it's time to say goodbye to those drives
22:26.24Unkle*nod*
22:26.37UnkleAt least, be prepared to replace them soonish.
22:26.59Gnarfozwait until they actually die
22:27.24Gnarfozor put the data somewhere else and repurpose them for volatile data
22:27.27jleclanchekd3: what was the tool that read hard drive stats
22:27.28Gnarfozraid 0, bitch
22:27.34kd3smartctl -a
22:29.01jleclanchehttp://dpaste.com/1361267/
22:29.50jleclanchethis is impressive
22:32.26jleclanchekd3: how old are your drives?
22:32.34Gnarfoz5,5 years at least
22:32.39Gnarfoz:P
22:32.40jleclanchethat much i figured :P
22:32.52kd3I built the raid in... 2007?
22:33.17TC-Work1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000f   119   099   006    Pre-fail  Always       -       217254083
22:33.17TC-Work7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000f   080   060   030    Pre-fail  Always       -       111056027
22:33.17TC-Workaaaaaaaand, yea.
22:33.35jleclancheouch
22:33.55kd3unless it says FAILING_NOW, I don't tend to worry
22:34.04kd3like this: 189 High_Fly_Writes         0x0022   001   001   045    Old_age   Always   FAILING_NOW 336
22:34.04DagmarYep.
22:34.23Gnarfozsmart is pretty conservative
22:34.26DagmarI've got a few drives that are reporting basically OMGOMGOMG just because they're way past the MTBF
22:34.39UnkleLike when a raid 5 array says "degraded" - you've got time, man.  Don't panic.
22:35.22Gnarfozyou've got time until another disk fails during the rebuild
22:35.31UnkleWell, yeah, that.
22:36.07UnkleWe have Dell "Gold" support on our server equipment.  All I do is call and say "drive failing" and one arrives the next day.
22:36.08bleeterhttps://twitter.com/JohnDonoghue64/status/373570057416101889/photo/1
22:36.35kd3wtf
22:36.49Unkle...
22:37.10DagmarWell, if a _RAID_ array says degraded it means it's time to order a disk
22:37.21kd3^
22:37.22Dagmar...cuz you had parity data that's been keeping your ass intact.
22:37.57UnkleDagmar: Correct.  I was talking about a raid.
22:38.40Gnarfozif you've got a raid array that says 'degraded' for longer than it takes the spare to be used to start a rebuild
22:38.44Gnarfoz...
22:39.20Gnarfozorder a drive to replace the spare ;)
22:39.32UnkleI will say that the Dell Raid Controller is not my favorite, but I do have a spare on hand.
22:42.13GnarfozUnkle: you put "Gold" in quotes because you don't know the actual name, right?
22:42.21DagmarI'm generally fine with any controller as long as they're not engaged in the arcane practice of requiring me to explicitly instruct the array to rebuild itself
22:42.48Gnarfozbecause next business day support is included even in their baseline support
22:44.01Gnarfoz(which reminds me of hitachi calling this morning, asking if it's ok if they send a tech on monday to replace a disk in our SAN - we hadn't even noticed one was dead :D)
22:53.39UnkleGnarfoz: No, it's what it says on the service agreement "Gold"
22:53.57Gnarfozmust be legacy or US then
22:54.03UnkleUS.
22:54.05Gnarfozbecause there's no such thing :D
22:54.07Gnarfozon their site
22:54.22Gnarfoztries the US one
22:56.02Gnarfoz...da fuq
22:56.09Gnarfozthey don't even let you choose anything on the US one
22:56.24Unkle*shrug* We've had a service agreement with them for like 8 years or more, so... *shrug*
22:56.59GnarfozDell's weird *shrug* :D
22:57.11Gnarfozbut I like their current servers :P
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22:57.21Gnarfoz(current and last gen)
22:57.27UnkleI'm getting ready to order a new one.
22:57.37Gnarfoztake 5 instead! :D
22:57.45UnkleNew site coming online and it needs a box.
22:58.07Gnarfozfuck virtualization, moar servers
22:58.39jleclanche- User A complains about the OOM killer                  - User B suggests it's fine when processes are supervised by daemons
22:58.40jleclanche- User A claims that if the process floods the RAM on startup, it gets killed and is stuck in a restart loop        - User B claims that any good daemon will have a system that prevents that.
22:58.45jleclancheUser A: "You've never seen an "enterprise" software init script then."
22:59.16jleclancheI'm sure User A probably says other things like "CSS sucks because it breaks in IE6"
22:59.25Gnarfozwhy are users arguing about this when B should clearly be a sysadmin
22:59.34Gnarfoz(if not an executioner)
22:59.56UnkleGnarfoz: It's remote.  I want to put their DNS and such locally so I don't have to route over their smaller pipe to here every time they open a web page.
23:01.06Gnarfoznot sure what you're trying to explain, really :D
23:01.28GnarfozI just like the servers ;p
23:02.26Gnarfozstill trying to hatch a plan that would mean replacing a couple of R710's with R720's so I can make a pretty rack full of the new ones
23:02.29Unkle:P
23:02.43Gnarfoz(their front bezels don't match :()
23:03.50jleclanchehttp://www.independent.ie/irish-news/three-ryanair-mayday-calls-go-out-on-same-day-26886838.html
23:03.57jleclancheRyanair sincerely apologises to the passengers affected by these diversions, which were due to adverse weather.
23:04.24UnkleHome times.  Later.
23:04.51jleclancheamusing how you can spin something "it's due to something else!"
23:04.55ShirikCairenn: http://bit.ly/Sz9iRW
23:05.05Cairennawwww
23:11.05jleclancheheh
23:11.27jleclanchekd3: full-disk backups really show the performance hit of having a seven year old hard drive
23:11.46jleclanchea recent external hd i bought had a backup of the MPQs
23:12.21jleclanchei calculated all of its checksums (about 4000) in about 45 minutes
23:12.49jleclancheand the 7 year old hard drive has been calculating checksums for 1 hour and its only at about 3000/7000
23:15.24Shirikin other news
23:15.34Shiriksomeone please explain this to me
23:16.05ShirikToday I was notified that I'm being promoted. To enable that to happen, I need to update my resume and give them a current copy.
23:16.14ShirikHow does this make any sense
23:16.33bleeterShirik: how old is the resume they have on file?
23:16.48Shiriklike 3 years or so
23:16.55Shirikbut my point is, they obviously know I'm qualified
23:17.00Shirikwhy do they care what my resume says
23:17.01bleeterShirik: you've probably picked up new skills and stuff, they just want it in your own words 'as if' you were applying
23:17.11bleeterrather than they write the record themselves
23:17.33bleeterthat way, on the new level you're on, you can easily be compared to others on the same level when considering future promotions
23:17.44bleeterwould be my guess
23:17.58bleetereither that, or HR are a bunch of slackers
23:18.00bleeteror both
23:18.06TC-WorkShirik: They probably need it for filing, just because it is an internal hire does not mean they get to skip the fiddly bits.
23:19.00TC-WorkDepending on the company 'promotion' can mean different things
23:19.30bleeteryeah you may be crossing some invisible internal company boundary type thing
23:20.08bleeterhonestly, if you've already got the promotion offer in writing I wouldn't be too worried ;)
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23:29.13Shirikyeah I'm not really worried bleeter
23:29.16ShirikI just consider it a waste of time
23:29.20Shirikwhich is honestly all HR is good at anyway
23:39.33tzarcHR is short for hardly required
23:41.35TC-WorkI dunno about your HR, but around here if you have any issues with services HR provies such as health insurance, they will go to bat for you with the insurance provider.
23:41.47TC-Workand things of that ilk
23:44.34tzarcI live in socialist Australia where there is country-wide healthcare
23:46.08ClamsodaWhat exactly is passed in the second argument of RegisterEvent? such as: frame:RegisterEvent("SOME_EVENT", this).  I see oUF registers its modules events in such a way, but when I try it there is no effect.
23:47.29ClamsodaI assumed it was a reference of a particular event to a particular function, but outside of some work through SetScript, it doesn't seem to work.  Just curious what that second argument actually passes, whether is an entry in varargs, or some such.
23:56.29kd3http://wowpedia.org/API_Frame_RegisterEvent and http://wowpedia.org/Handling_events
23:57.18ClamsodaBeen through them several times >.<
23:59.23ClamsodaI appreciate the links, but neither specifies what the second argument if for RegisterEvent.  Like I said, I just noticed that in oUF's module functions, events are registered with two arguments: the event, and what I assumed was a function.  An example being: object:RegisterEvent("UNIT_SPELLCAST_START", UNIT_SPELLCAST_START)

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