IRC log for #wowuidev on 20120412

00:00.04Corrodias2you want the shiny? you want it, boy? gimme your wallet! come on, boy! gimme the wallet!
00:00.12DagmarYeah but considering I don't play TF2, buying guns or looting them amount to more or less the same thing... except one of them is cheaper
00:00.39Corrodias2yay! now you can go play the game.  .... hey Dagmar, glad you're enjoying the game, but LOOK AT THIS OTHER THING YOU COULD BUY! you want this, right?
00:00.50Corrodias2just spend more money and you could have even MORE fun!
00:00.57DagmarIf I could like go and buy a six-barrel vulcan cannon that fires rabid bears, who also explode on impact... That would be a problem.
00:01.06DagmarI can only shoot so many guns at one time
00:01.08Jamashalso you can play tf2 without spending a single cent and still have fun and get cool items, unlike many "free" games
00:01.19Corrodias2but you have MORE fun if you spend lots of it! :D
00:01.26DagmarNah
00:01.30JamashDagmar: What if you had a gun that shot other guns that shot rabid exploding bears?
00:01.37Corrodias2that's the idea.
00:01.43DagmarThis is probably where my relatinship with my music collection differs from a lot of other peoples as well
00:01.53JamashBordubsteplands 2, coming soon.
00:01.55DagmarI dont' have enough time to listen to the crap I have as it is
00:02.10DagmarI have to be picky about what I buy
00:02.37DagmarI could pirate tons of music, sure, but most of it would be crap, and all of it would just be a disk storage weight to carry around
00:02.40Corrodias2i have hundreds of games to play, and i don't need a game that's going to try to sell me something at every turn, or scold me for not preordering
00:02.40DagmarScrew that
00:02.46JamashI want a gun that fires dubstep. http://youtu.be/hDlif8Km4S4
00:03.00DagmarI would like a gun that only kills bad dubstep Djs
00:03.18Jamashyou mean, dubstep djs?
00:03.31JamashI actually like dubstep it just felt obligatory.
00:04.54DagmarI suspect it's the meth that's confusing people.
00:05.03JamashI enjoy dubstep both ironically and sincerely, is that weird?
00:05.08DagmarIt's a shame they blew all their budget on the video on special effects.
00:05.17Jamashbudget?
00:05.29Corrodias2and a good camera
00:05.33Corrodias2and props
00:05.36Jamashyou don't need a budget for those kinds of effects these days
00:05.42DagmarNice concept, but it would help if they didn't all buy their clothes at Wal-Mart... and maybe made an effort to not dress like hipsters
00:05.51Jamashdude it's intentionally goofy
00:06.01Corrodias2are we watching different videos?
00:06.18DagmarWhat's with the kiddie hockey pads?
00:06.24Jamashdid you not notice the gratuitous EL wire?
00:06.35Corrodias2the ones in my video are wearing, like, shirts and jeans, underneath plastic armor of some kind, yes
00:06.36Jamashand the sudden eyepatch?
00:06.41DagmarI think those are tubes of luminol actually
00:06.48JamashI don't know what that is
00:06.56DagmarEL wire would be brighter
00:07.10DagmarWell, I know what one might say it is///
00:07.15Dagmar"ghe-e-e-e-y"
00:07.22Jamashyou're just a hater
00:07.24Corrodias2you're weird. i don't want to play with you any more.
00:07.28Jamashbut we knew that
00:07.47DagmarNo, I'm a dude who rolls around in clothes that woulnd't look good on his girlfriend.
00:07.58Dagmar...unlike most hipsters.
00:08.06Jamashso you wear ugly clothes?
00:08.23JamashI'm really not sure what your point is brah
00:08.27DagmarNo, mainly I just stick with "manly", "well-made", "properly fitting" and "black".
00:08.36Jamashwhat are you some kind of clothes racist
00:08.38Maldivia... or perhaps he prefers his girlfriend in no clothes?
00:08.48DagmarHeh when I can get that
00:08.57Jamashdid you complain when you watched tron that the outfits were unrealistic?
00:09.12DagmarThose clothes at least looked good
00:09.16Corrodias2not a fan of the classic shirt & pants combo, eh
00:09.24Jamash~dict parody
00:09.36Maldiviaspeaking of no clothes... goodnight :P
00:09.36Corrodias2that's not a dictionary.
00:09.40Jamashyeh
00:09.55DagmarNo, I feel like i should be walking up to some of those guys and saying "Let me introduce you to a fabulous new technology for clothes maintenance.   We call it a 'steam iron'"
00:10.08Jamashcan't tell if trolling
00:10.22Jamashtherefore must assume yes
00:10.34DagmarHey I can't help if if I'm a straight man with the taste in clothes of a queen.
00:10.35Corrodias2ironing jeans sounds like a good idea
00:10.50DagmarNot the jeans.  The khaki slacks one of those guys were wearing
00:10.52Corrodias2let's do that a lot.
00:11.00DagmarHe looked like he was wearing grocery sacks
00:11.07Jamashso you watch a video about guys with weapons that literally fire dubstep and complaining about the clothing
00:11.20Jamashs/ing/
00:11.22DagmarThere's "casually wrinkly" and there's "damn lazy".  He was the latter.
00:11.23Jamashs/ing//
00:11.27Jamashfu purl
00:11.36Jamashwho?
00:11.37DagmarJamash: It was because the contrast between them was so jarring
00:11.41Jamashbetween who?
00:11.45JamashI don't even know what you're talking about
00:12.04DagmarThe effects were cool, I liked the concept.  I would also like to order about half those guys back into wardrobe.
00:12.13DagmarTHey could look better.
00:12.17Jamashthey're wearing goofy clothing on purpose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
00:12.42DagmarConsidering how many people I see dressing that lamely on a regular basis, I don't think it was an attempt to wear goofy clothing
00:12.53DagmarAt least I'm not over here doing a sock check.
00:13.30Dagmar(as in "Socks: BUY SOME, DAMNIT")
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00:14.22Jamashso you mean, in a video where literally everyone is dressed as some sort of absurd stereotype or ridiculous cliche, that some of them who are wearing goofy clothing are not doing it to be goofy, but because they have bad taste in clothes
00:15.02Jamashdid you notice the guy wearing a darth vader mask and yellow insulated gloves
00:16.22DagmarPretty much.
00:16.31DagmarIt's not like more genuine articles are that hard to come by
00:16.31Jamashalso I still don't know who you're talking about
00:16.59DagmarIt wouldnt be the first time I've gotten blank looks from saying "those pants don't work with that sportscoat"
00:17.21Jamashok, mom
00:17.39Corrodias2i bet they did, in fact, work just fine
00:17.40xyphoidthat was an amazing conversation to read
00:17.47Corrodias2sounds more like you're just a picky clothes guy
00:17.47Jamashglad to entertain
00:18.15Dagmarbleh.  Time for me to bend over and buy a new phone anyway
00:18.54Jamashyou should get the iphone prime
00:19.14DagmarNah, I'd be getting a Razr but Verizon wants way too much
00:19.31Jamashit runs android and ios in separate VMs simultaneously
00:19.47DagmarSo then I could be only half gay.  Good plan.
00:20.00Jamashhater gonna hate
00:20.12Dagmarhttp://penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/04/06
00:20.32Jamashwhat's wrong with being bisexual?
00:20.46DagmarAs far as I care, a VM on a phone is so if I change jobs (or if someone typos) my phone doesn't get entirely wiped
00:20.51Jamashare you some kinda gender racist?
00:22.33Jamashoh man http://penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/pax-east-the-story-behind-the-girl-in-the-fireplace-cosplay-complete-with-c
00:22.44Jamashthat's incredible
00:22.49DagmarOh lord yes
00:28.56Ackisthose diablo 3 unlocks, are they custom to what you design or generic for whoever gets them?
00:31.44Arrowmasterafaik you just unlock the main part of the banner, the part you cant change
00:32.47Ackisok because I'm just randomly picking shit to unlock something
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00:34.16Arrowmasterthe symbol has two parts, the main part and the accent under it, you the main part is unique and cant be changed for each of the classes
00:42.42Arrowmasterhmm i just did it for this weeks and got an email, i didnt get an email last week, i hope it really did unlock
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00:55.51DagmarI went through it a second time just in case whatever I set turned out to be permanent
01:00.18Arrowmasteryeah i did the first one twice but never got an email
01:11.55JamashArrowmaster: yeah never got an email from the first round either
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01:13.02JamashI don't even know what I get from this
01:13.24Arrowmasterthe sigil for use ingame on your banner
01:13.43Jamashwhat I mean is what sigil am I getting?
01:13.47Jamashthe class one?
01:14.00Arrowmasteryes
01:14.05Jamashaight
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15:10.07Fiskerthey probably won't
15:10.08nevcairielTorhal: fisker ate the sign
15:10.13Torhalnevcairiel: Aha!
15:10.19Fiskerexcept possibly other no-promotions silly stuff
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15:10.41Fiskerbut i know atleast if you were in my country and it was my company i would get you registered in the bad payers list
15:10.55mikmablacknet: there's why i have asked several times for the troll to be bankicked off the channel ^^
15:11.12Fiskeri'm less of a troll than you are
15:11.23mikmalike now?
15:11.28Fiskeri'm not trolling
15:11.33Fiskeri'm dead serious
15:11.41Fiskeri hope BlackNet's life gets ruined over the annual pass
15:11.43Fiskerfull stop
15:11.58mikmai hope you still get a permaban
15:12.13Fiskerwon't be until you get it at the same time
15:12.16Fiskerso good luck with that
15:12.29BlackNetok Fisker you are 100% correct my life has been ruined
15:12.42Fiskeri don't think that it has
15:12.50Fiskerbut it doesn't matter
15:13.04mikmacairenn: can you please do something about this situation already?
15:13.06BlackNetbecause i failed to pay money to some fucking company my cat died from feline aids last night and i have to take her to the vet today so they can take care of the body. how is that
15:13.30Cairennoffs guys, stop it
15:13.33BlackNetthere life ruined, now shut the fuck up
15:14.11CairennI haven't had any sleep yet, I'm trying to juggle a crap load of different things right now, I don't have time for your foolishness right now
15:14.31TorhalCairenn: So you took the "don't do sleep" advice, I see.
15:14.36CairennBlackNet: sorry again about your kitty.  I had to put one of mine down last Nov, it sucks.
15:14.38mikmacairenn: joining the circus now are we?
15:15.00BlackNetyea her sister had feline lukemia
15:15.39BlackNetthat happened nov 2010
15:15.51Fisker(and for some reason i'm considered the troll)
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15:16.13mikmathat's cause you always keep on sticking your nose into business not yours
15:16.36Fiskermoderating this channel is none of your business
15:16.40Fiskerso you agree
15:16.43Fiskerwe're both massive trolls
15:16.49BlackNeti was going to take her to the vet this am but i woke up at 5am and she was dead
15:17.11AcidWebDamn sorry. I did not want to start an argument. :S
15:18.35BlackNetAcidWeb so far i have had no response from blizz over the state of my account
15:19.22BlackNetnor have i even ask them anything about it,
15:19.40nevcairielIf you havent asked, how do you expect a response? :d
15:19.57BlackNetwell suppose they could contact me about payment
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15:23.56Fiskerthe only consequence as of now is that it gets removed
15:23.59Fiskerthey don't call you about it
15:24.10Fiskerit simply disappears a few days after the subscription expires
15:24.52nevcairielthe behaviour might change once d3 launched and suddenly people stop paying after they got it
15:24.55Fiskerwut
15:24.57nevcairielbut who knows
15:25.02Fiskeri just installed an ICS rom on my transformer
15:25.17Fiskerand where it says emergency dial (i don't have a gsm modem in it) it says "Mother"
15:25.18Fisker:o
15:25.26nevcairiellol
15:25.37foxlitlast name: Ship.
15:25.42Fiskernah
15:25.46FiskerEmergency call = mom
15:25.49Fiskerso obvious
15:27.55foxlithttp://s.swtorui.com/preview/pvw4.jpg
15:28.12foxlitThose [game] graphics are... unimpressive.
15:28.40nevcairielit looks somewhat better if the user actually turns up the settings
15:28.45nevcairielespecially AA :P
15:28.54mikmaanti-air?
15:29.06foxlitthe lack of AA in screenshots disturbs me
15:29.10mikmawould nuke that major velion forlost out of the orbit
15:30.12BlackNetwell, omw to the vet
15:30.26foxlitI suppose it's less of a problem while you're playing and wildly moving the camera around, but still
15:30.39nevcairielthe game has AA, you just need to turn it on
15:31.18foxlitwow has AA, yet most shots I see are with it turned off
15:31.33Stanzillabecause my UI looks shit with it turned on P
15:31.34Stanzilla*:P
15:32.00foxlitpretty things >>>> UI
15:32.32mikmasmooth performance >>>> pretty things
15:32.32Stanzillacan't stand blurred 1px borders :<
15:32.45Fiskeryeeeeeeeees
15:32.51foxlitfun fact: AA doesn't actually have a performance impact for me.
15:32.54Lopeppeppyyou sound just like Jelly!
15:33.15nevcairielalthough i wonder why we need a swtorui.com, all UI customization it has are some advanced ingame options (moving/scaling all elements)
15:33.15foxlit8x, 0x, same framerate.
15:33.18Stanzillaevery tried the new native FXAA in the nvidia drivers with wow?
15:33.23Stanzillait's blurtopia
15:33.35nevcairielthats just how FXAA works, it processes the image after rendering
15:33.44foxlitStanzilla: I'm not obsessed with 1px borders, so I don't think I care.
15:33.46nevcairielwhich of course includes the UI
15:33.58foxlitIn fact, I have no 1px borders?
15:34.01Stanzillanevcairiel: I know
15:34.10nevcairieljust use classical AA
15:34.33Fiskerweird
15:34.37Fiskeri have a card reader
15:34.48Fiskerit can read 64GB MicroSD card in a SD Card Adapter
15:34.51Fiskerbut not without :P
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15:43.11alestanestation
15:43.21Unklestation my excellent friends
15:56.26BlackNetbill or ted?
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15:59.59UnkleTed Theodore Logan
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16:15.16mikmaFXAA + bf3 = sure looks sweet but getting odd FPS drops
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16:20.07UnkleSo - if you weren't in the MoP beta already - http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/4427703316
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16:24.11distArgh. Is there no event for achievement goals for achievements that are not tracked?
16:25.32Cairennhttp://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/simon-beck-snow-art
16:25.45CairennCOOL!  (literally, as well as figuratively)
16:26.13mikmacairenn: too much freetime, (get a job you bum!)
16:26.23distOr is it possible to add a timer (or something like that) that would fire some time after some other event..
16:26.33Cairennmikma: heh
16:26.38mikmadist: yes it is
16:27.19distmikma: Which one and how? =D
16:27.50mikmadist: http://wowprogramming.com and see snippets or something, there's good howto's there
16:28.10distOk, thanks!
16:51.07distI hacked it using OnUpdate, though I hate the idea of an addon getting called every frame.
16:51.49nevcairielwhen you want to track time OnUpdate is really the only thing to do
16:52.16nevcairielcould also abuse an animation object for it, but i always thought that was meh
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16:56.08Lopeppeppymeth? Where?
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16:57.04Fiskerhey nevcairiel
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17:45.28LopeppeppyCairenn, did anyone get you Irena's baby details?
17:45.44Cairennno
17:45.56Cairennor rather, if they were discussed, I missed them
17:46.13CairennI'll go congrat her on FB
17:46.33LopeppeppyHappy healthy mom and baby.
17:46.51Unkle<PROTECTED>
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17:52.39Adyshttp://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/s6477/9223372036854775807_9223372036854775808/
17:52.44AdysAt first, I laughed
17:53.00AdysThen I opened the link
17:53.03Adysfirst comment: "Maybe this should be Won't Fix to keep it consistent with 9223372036854775807 == 9223372036854775808 "
17:53.11AdysAnd then I just decided to kill myself
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17:55.02MaldiviaAdys: '0xff' == '255' is also true...
17:55.25UnklePHP - making brains explode for 15 years.
17:55.45Arrowmasterwell i think its time to remove that game from my phone, just got a random push notification trying to get me to play the game
17:55.57foxlitmeh.
17:56.29foxlitIt's like
17:56.50foxlithi guys why doesn't my if (foo == "bar") { ... } work properly in Java?
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17:57.39Maldiviafoxlit: it does, if foo is a string assigned to bar, and it's been interned :P
17:59.05foxlitMaldivia: ah, so it's more like "hey guys why does my if... break mysteriously in Java?"
18:00.10Maldiviafoxlit: well, == checks identity, not equality
18:00.23foxlitBut the greater point is that operators have semantics
18:01.28foxlitIf you're unaware of what those semantics are, you're going to have a bad time. That really goes for any language.
18:01.49Kraps"To say that PHP is bad simply does not capture what PHP is. I have been accused of being a hopeless cynic, yet when I think of PHP I find myself shocked at the fact that something so terrible could possibly exist."
18:02.10olafskiso negative
18:02.18Krapsi dont know anything about programming but this sounds damning
18:02.37Maldiviafoxlit: but yeah ... and in php, == is "converted equals"... if something looks like a number, it's converted to a number and then compared
18:02.44olafskikraps: and that's the reason so many hate php ;p
18:03.02Maldiviafoxlit: which is why there are functions like strcmp in php :)
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18:03.59karl_w_wim so glad ive never considered learning php
18:04.03Kraps"Please keep in mind that PHP is loosely typed, this is a root principle of PHP"
18:04.31Krapsis this like "we pride ourselves on making shitty products"?
18:04.39karl_w_wthe root principal of php is that you cant quite be sure wtf you're comparing?
18:05.49olafskino, kraps, that's not what it means :P
18:06.10Maldiviakarl_w_w: no, it's that if you want compare something, use ===
18:06.14olafskipeople hate what they don't understand, etc
18:06.23karl_w_w"The conversion to a number is necessary because programmers don't differentiate between strings and numbers in PHP."
18:06.34karl_w_wis this programming for beginners?
18:06.45foxlityes, it is.
18:07.08olafskioh my :P
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18:07.50foxlitsee also: magic \'\'quotes\'\'.
18:08.57foxlitbasically, everything that comes in over HTTP as arguments is strings.
18:09.43foxlitAt some point, someone thought that forcing you to convert them to numbers explicitly was no fun.
18:10.00TC-Workur no fun
18:10.00karl_w_wbecause that's hard
18:10.35foxlitbecause that's not the sort of thing you'd want to spend your time on while writing short scripts.
18:11.27foxlithence the convert-to-number behavior for some operators. If you don't want it, you can easily avoid it.
18:11.33jnwhitehDoes anyone have any good programming interview questions I can use to warm up for an interview tomorrow?
18:11.38karl_w_wa handful of extra characters is a small price to pay
18:11.50foxlitkarl_w_w: so pay it?
18:12.09foxlitjnwhiteh: http://code.google.com/codejam
18:12.24foxlitIn fact, let's plug that some more
18:12.27jnwhitehfoxlit: yeah, that's my backup
18:13.13foxlitThe qualification round of Google Code Jam 2012, a programming contest, takes place this Friday/Saturday (depending your time zone), and lasts 25 hours. You can solve the problems you need to advance to the next round in roughly an hour, so go register and participate!
18:13.21jnwhitehoh
18:13.29jnwhitehthis weekend
18:13.32foxlitIt's bring-your-own-programming-language, so you don't even have to learn C.
18:13.32jnwhitehguess I'll be missing it again :P
18:13.41jnwhitehbut everyone else should do it!
18:13.54Fiskerhey jnwhiteh
18:13.58foxlitHear that, everyone else? http://code.google.com/codejam !
18:13.58Fiskergot some earbuds ?
18:14.24jnwhitehFisker: just two pairs
18:14.26jnwhitehis that enough?
18:14.32Fiskeri mean in TF2
18:15.12karl_w_wi doubt i would solve the first problem
18:15.41foxlitkarl_w_w: ?
18:16.00jnwhitehfoxlit: those problems are quite a bit different than interview questions, sadly
18:16.25foxlitconsiderably more fun, however.
18:16.29jnwhitehquite =)
18:16.33karl_w_wof the code jam
18:16.44jnwhitehI should polish up my Go boilerplate
18:16.54jnwhitehsee if I have time to participate tomorrow in quals.
18:17.09foxlityou're in europe?
18:17.13jnwhitehaye
18:17.21foxlitIt's saturday, then
18:17.46jnwhitehthat'd be rough too
18:17.47foxlitStarting from 0100 CEST
18:17.50jnwhitehah well, we'll see
18:18.26karl_w_wok im gonna compete using basic
18:18.28jnwhitehjob/thesis is more important :P
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18:20.22foxlityou work on saturdays? :)
18:20.36jnwhitehMy thesis requires work every day until October
18:21.11UnkleThen we will have to call you Dr?
18:21.19jnwhitehyou could, but won't be compelled to =)
18:21.40UnkleWe'll need to give you a supervillian moniker.
18:21.43foxlitI can't imagine the sort of schedule that can't stand to lose a day in several months.
18:21.46Fiskerpls jnwhiteh :(
18:22.01UnkleSomething awesome like Dr.Clique
18:22.08foxlitThen again, I slack too much :(
18:22.15TC-Workfoxlit: the kind that makes you boatloads of cash when you are done
18:22.31TC-Worksadly, that will not happen ink jnwhiteh's case
18:22.35TC-Workin*
18:22.35jnwhitehheh
18:23.35Fisker:(
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18:24.45Fiskeryou are the haterer jnwhiteh
18:25.02MaldiviaUnkle: Dr.Clique sounds really sleezy though... :)
18:25.36UnkleMaldivia: It's a SUPERVILLIAN name.
18:26.21MaldiviaUnkle: and now I'm getting Dr Horrible images in my head (but then again, that's not so bad)
18:26.29Unkle:D
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18:38.35TC-WorkUnkle: if your "SUPERVILLIAN" is a 16 yo girl with a taste for 60's horror movies, then sure.
18:39.56AckisFisker: I'm not very smart
18:40.04AckisI had to google how to get hte back cover off ofm y nexus
18:40.27Fiskerhey Ackis
18:40.32Fisker:(
18:40.36Fiskeryou suck
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18:43.08AckisFisker: should I root my phone?
18:44.09Fiskeryes
18:44.16foxlit~8ball
18:44.17purlACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Reply hazy, try again
18:44.30foxlit:(
18:46.23TC-WorkAckis: once you are done root mine, i dont feel like doing it myself
18:46.49Ackisit looks liks I should wait a bit before I root mine... learn the ins and outs of the phone
18:46.54Ackis(for example, how to make phone calls)
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18:49.19olafskifoxlit: nice to see someone not be a total hater on php for a change :)
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18:52.38Fiskerseems like a good idea Ackis
18:53.02olafskiI saw a nice new phone nokia is releasing soon
18:53.11olafskimight try to get it as a replacement for my 2600 :D
18:54.53olafskihttp://ic.tweakimg.net/ext/i/imagenormal/1334128875.jpeg
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19:09.42distHow do I find out what texture some spell is using?
19:12.36Arrowmastergot my main upto 85 and got a helm with a meta gem slot, except thats the only item i have with gem slots in it
19:14.17UnkleArrowmaster: So what you're saying is … you don't play much and don't have any gear.
19:14.43Arrowmasterim just playing till my 1 month from the SoR expires
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19:14.56Unkle:D
19:15.12Arrowmasterwhich is the 16th i think
19:16.23Arrowmasterbut what im saying is even if i wanted to put a meta gem in this new helm, i dont have enough other gem slots to activate it
19:17.45UnkleThat gets fixed very fast if you buy rep gear or have any justice or valor points to spend.
19:18.30Arrowmasterive been doing random dungeons so i got a few justice saved up
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19:22.22UnkleYou can rapidly stack up Justice Points for T12 gear in no time. :)
19:24.54Arrowmasteri just finally got the Superior achievement
19:25.08Arrowmasterat level 85
19:25.23zenzelezzgrats
19:25.46zenzelezzwhat was keeping you; trinket?
19:26.53Fiskeri once killed a guy at level 85 Arrowmaster
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19:43.15distYay my addon is ugly as hell, but working. I wonder how I can get it to Curse. And how long that takes..
19:44.08Cairenndoesn't take long at all to get it approved on WoWInterface:  http://www.wowinterface.com/community.php
19:45.16mikmahttp://youtu.be/TYzd60K3Sp0?hd=1   :DDDDD
19:45.18Ackiswowi has more/better mods, curse has me and a few of my minions :D
19:48.26TC-Workand a better app
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19:49.23Stanzillahello Ackis
19:49.31Stanzilla"better" was not very nice
19:49.42nevcairielthe truth never is
19:50.14kd3yay electricity
19:50.16Stanzilla:<
19:50.30AckisStanzilla: I would've thought you'd be more upset at me calling you my minion
19:50.31UnkleWait, who authorized Ackis getting minions?
19:50.51StanzillaAckis: I ignored that wrong fact
19:50.58TC-Workno one. they are evil minions
19:51.20UnkleThey're not in the budget.  He'll have to send them on suicide missions.
19:51.50TC-Workeh, just tell them to go out and rob themselvs some pay.
19:52.18kd3oh, ack. was horrified that my wow account got compromised... could not seem to log in to beta
19:52.26kd3just logged in to the forums, though...
19:52.41Unklekd3: lots of forum complaints about not being able to login
19:52.51kd3yah, login server busy is the message I'm now getting
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20:00.48TC-Workhttp://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/04/code-not-physical-property/
20:00.57TC-Workthat has some interesting ramifications
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20:04.38foxlitexcellent. Now Fisker can't steal music.
20:06.25Corganfisker fisker fisker fisker fisker fisker
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20:10.26mikmafister
20:11.00Fiskeri never could foxlit
20:11.01TC-WorkFisker^2
20:11.03Fiskerhey Corgan
20:11.05Fiskernot hey TC-Work
20:11.17TC-Workfine
20:11.26TC-Work2^Fisker
20:12.06UnkleIt means that the judges saw that the attempt to apply laws not really designed for this case shouldn't fly, and that the laws they have don't cover the problem.
20:12.25kd3hokay, design people -- what do you think about the rewards display of http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:Tipping_the_Scales#Rewards ?
20:12.54Shadowedneeds borders
20:12.57UnkleMake the pain stop.
20:13.08Shadowedand a few px of spacing more between columns
20:13.15UnkleIf you're going to use a grid, make it an easy to read grid.
20:13.16Shadowedmostly just borders thought
20:13.32kd3yah, I still need to add the hover-highlighting in css
20:13.53Fiskery helo thar kd3
20:13.56kd3'lo
20:17.13TC-Worklines might help as well kd3
20:18.10kd3I tried it before with zebra striping (alternate rows of dark/not-so-dark) but I got complaints. we don't generally do interior borders on the wiki anywhere
20:18.17mikmahttp://www.break.com/index/snack-man-casually-breaks-up-fight-2317257
20:18.25mikmanow i know what's the snackman :D
20:21.40mikmacairenn|afk: don't text and walk! http://www.break.com/index/new-texting-danger-bears-2316993
20:23.21Cairenn|afkheh
20:23.40Cairenn|afknow, I fall over go boom
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20:23.43Cairenn|afknight night
20:23.43TC-Workkd3: someone complained about being able to read it easier?
20:24.00nicoli_snight night Cairenn|afk gj on swtorui
20:24.10Cairenn|afkthanks nicoli_s
20:24.33nevcairieli still wonder if that page isnt overkill just to talk about and exchange stored UI presets
20:24.36nevcairielbut oh well!
20:25.13nicoli_syeah thats was pretty much why we havent done anything yet
20:25.20nicoli_sanyone check out the redesigned curse client yet?
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20:43.13Fiskerplease nicoli_s
20:43.19Fiskerit's titanic within a titanic :(
20:44.15nicoli_sim not even sure what that means
20:45.14TMc51inceptanic? titanception?
20:53.10Sixeninceptanic.
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20:57.03Stanzillanicoli_s: where do I get that?
20:57.26nicoli_shttp://www.curse.com/news/curse/44980-testers-needed-for-brand-new-curse-client
20:57.32nicoli_spersonally i think it looks alot nicer
20:57.54nicoli_sits basically paving the way for us to add alot more features in the future w/o cluttering up the UI
20:57.55Stanzillainstalling
20:59.22Stanzillaew
20:59.24Stanzillawhat the hell
21:01.19nicoli_s?
21:01.36StanzillaI don't like it :(
21:02.30nicoli_sanything in particular?
21:02.45Ackiswow I installed the new curse client and I was immediatly hacked!
21:02.45Stanzillathe "content" part looks like it does not belong to the rest
21:04.09Stanzillaso the sidebar needs to be something else than just black
21:04.27nicoli_syeah we have been trying to find something that will look good there
21:04.40Stanzillaand the statusbar needs to integrated into the content part
21:04.46Stanzillaor does it show all addons over all games?
21:04.47Stanzilla*from
21:05.05nicoli_sstatusbar?
21:05.19Stanzillathe one that says how many addons are installed and how many updates there are
21:05.24Stanzillabottom line
21:06.11nicoli_sno thats per game
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21:06.40Stanzillathen it needs to be in the content area
21:06.41TC-Workalso, the install page is rather fail as well far too much area is clickable
21:07.00AcenthHey everyone, got some Curse Client feedback for me I hear
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21:07.17TC-Worklies, we like bitching at nicoli_s
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21:08.46AcidWebAcenth: Yes. Curse client still dont have minibar.
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21:09.00AcenthMinibar?lol
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21:10.31TC-Workwell you guys are not paying for free booze this year at blizzcon so i think you could afford it
21:10.42Acenth:P
21:11.08AcenthThe booze was pretty good last year
21:11.10TC-Workthe pictures were even better
21:11.33AckisAcenth: when I installed the new curse client, I was immediately hacked and had my keys logged
21:12.07AcenthAcenth has no comment on the matter
21:12.22foxlitAckis: also received a "YOU WERE HACKED BY THE CURSE CLIENT, CURSE CLIENT OWNS YOUR SOCKS" mail?
21:12.46Ackisnope, the e-mail said that the curse client was going to steal my firstborn child
21:12.57foxlitjoke's clearly on it.
21:13.06AckisI know, I have about 12 bastards already
21:13.35distAnyone need help with Noblegarden [Shake Your Bunny-Maker] achievement? (read: tester wanted =)
21:13.41Stanzillanicoli_s: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22349357/newcc.png more like that, now just the sidebar needs fixing :o
21:14.04TC-Work404 for me
21:14.06Ressysame
21:14.07Stanzillathat wasted space down there annoys me still
21:14.09Stanzillaoh
21:14.10Stanzillanow?
21:14.16TC-Workworking
21:14.20Fiskerhey Stanzilla
21:14.24Stanzillahey Fisker
21:14.42Fiskerwanna hey?
21:14.53Stanzillanope
21:15.03Fiskerok
21:15.06Fiskerwhy'd you do it then
21:15.07Fisker?
21:15.25AcenthYeah, the blank space annoys me too, but it'll be fixed in the May update
21:19.03Stanzillawhat
21:19.39nicoli_si like that stanzilla
21:19.56nicoli_si always found it a little weird how far awy that satusbar is
21:20.09Stanzillanicoli_s: yeah and it looks way to disconnected to the content in the current version
21:20.22Stanzillaall the other stuff in the black area is about choosing a game
21:20.24foxlitheh, there are like three color schemes in that window
21:20.38Stanzillaand there is one font string that says something about some specific game
21:21.05Stanzillaand yes, that "play" button needs to have the same orange as the others
21:21.08Stanzillaand the game background
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21:21.37AcenthI like that idea for the status bar
21:21.47AcenthBut we have plans for that area in the near future sadly
21:22.29Stanzilla:(
21:22.31Stanzillawhat plans?
21:22.37AcenthSecret stuff...
21:22.45kd3ponders if it works in wine/mono yet
21:23.52Acenth^ Never
21:24.07kd3quickly loses interest
21:24.23Acenthif (OS != WIN) { Application.Shutdown(); }
21:25.05nicoli_salso we had the Play button as orange, but mgmt didnt like it
21:26.10Fiskerthis is rich btw
21:26.17Fiskersome guy going sherlock holmes on our asses
21:26.34Fisker"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
21:27.16Fisker(Pro-tip: Guy who thinks it's more likely Blizzard got hacked than he himself was because he's an it professional)
21:28.33PonsWill anyone with invite priv to <Players vs Addons> be logging in soon?
21:28.44kd3if the login server ever comes back up, sure
21:29.19Ponsawesome thanks. I'm in now but i've been in a while. So not sure on login server status :(
21:29.59kd3nah, it's still busy
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21:33.39nicoli_sFisker:can you link me that thread, thatd be an amusing read
21:34.39Stanzillanicoli_s: i took a try at a better start button, F5 if you want
21:35.25Stanzillaplay button even
21:35.41RessyAddons on for the beta now?
21:35.59Alramn
21:36.15Alrambut theres some hax floating around for enabling them
21:36.44TC-Worknicoli_s: as a point, the thought of management and curse in the same thought makes my eyes cross.
21:37.17TC-WorkI still just think of curse as a collection of frat boys.
21:37.20nicoli_sheh that looks alot like what we had before
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21:37.50nicoli_sother than our CTO and a few marketing people i dont think anyone at curse would be considred a frat boy
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21:55.26Stanzillanicoli_s: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22349357/newcc.png :O
21:56.07Stanzillato get that lonely downloads button out of the sidebar
21:58.39nicoli_swell the downloads stuff is going to be expanded further as we expand the CC
21:59.05AcenthYep, we can't really talk about what we plan to do there, but every layout choice was made for a reason :)
21:59.31Stanzillameh, I still think the sidebar is damn ugly and I'm sure there's a better way to do that
21:59.55AcenthOf course, we just haven't gotten to that point yet
22:00.09AcenthI hate it too, but we have a short turn around on this update
22:01.44TC-Workso it's called a major update but you only get a few weeks for it?
22:01.51TC-Workor do you mean the beta
22:02.15nicoli_swe've been working on this update for a while
22:02.30nicoli_sits basically just a UI update, so that we can do feature updates faster
22:02.51AcenthYep, we had to revamp the UI to do things with the client we couldn't do in the old layout
22:02.56AcenthLike support games that don't have addons
22:03.26TC-Work<PROTECTED>
22:04.13nicoli_swell we are basically opening it up to do other stuff, like if we wanted to support 3d models for sc2, we could
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22:06.26AcenthYep, the Curse Client is growing from add-on management to game management
22:09.47Stanzillahttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/22349357/newcc.png
22:09.49Stanzillastill having fun :D
22:10.24AcenthEeep
22:10.40AcenthYOu should see the dozens and dozens of mocks I've created in the past 7 months
22:10.55TC-Workyes, we should
22:10.56Stanzillashow me :D
22:11.20AcenthSadly I can't. Most have all the secret features planned in them
22:11.52TC-Worksecret? it's not like you have a compeditor
22:11.57Acenth;)
22:12.06TC-Workcompetitor*
22:12.12AcenthYeaaaaaah
22:12.15foxlithear that, Shirik? You
22:12.20foxlit're not even a competitor :(
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22:13.22AcenthMinion? or WoWMatrix? :P
22:13.39TC-Work1st
22:13.47AcenthAh
22:14.23AcenthLike I said before, we're growing the Curse Client from add-on management to game management.
22:14.45foxlitsoon you'll be just as popular as Origin! :)
22:14.57AcenthOne can only hope.
22:15.07AcenthWe do about 60% of the traffic steam does, which isn't bad :P
22:15.08kd3haha
22:16.53TC-Workif you compete with steam, steam will win
22:19.45nicoli_swe def arent planning on going head to head w/ steam
22:22.36TC-Worknicoli_s: well, i cant say much till you guys reveal what 'game management' entials.
22:28.09Unklehttp://www.traileraddict.com/clip/the-avengers/headcount
22:30.59nicoli_sTC-Work:we are mainly just branching out to diff games/content
22:32.46TC-Worknicoli_s: right, but you have to offer something.  And i cant think of much tbh.
22:32.55TC-Workpatches, news, ...
22:33.10TC-Worklinks to interesting tidbits
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22:37.11nicoli_swell theres a bunch of games w/ mods we dont support
22:37.44Stanzillahttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/22349357/newcc.png - enough playing around for today
22:38.22nicoli_sooh i like the idea of per game art on the left
22:39.29nicoli_swell im off, ill bring up yer feedback at tom's R&D meeting
22:39.38TC-Workit is nice, but it is also still a sharp dfferential.  Needs to have some graduation
22:39.48nicoli_sagreed
22:40.56Stanzillawell in an ideal world
22:41.03Stanzillathe picture would expand to the whole window
22:41.08Stanzillaand replace the single panda thingy
22:41.13Stanzillaso it's one background for thw whole thing
22:41.25Stanzillabut I was too lazy to edit him out
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23:01.51cogwheelanyone know the url for the d3 "breaking news"? (or is it even done like that?)
23:01.54cogwheelMaldivia: ^
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23:19.16Arrowmaster~d3alert
23:19.16purlhttp://enUS.nydus.battle.net/D3/enUS/alert or http://us.launcher.battle.net/service/d3/alert/en-us (US) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert]
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23:19.27Arrowmastercogwheel: ^^
23:21.55cogwheelArrowmaster: ty
23:28.34foxlit"We’ll also be testing our queuing system"
23:28.58foxlitthat's just awesome. Want to play our game? You'll be able to in 42 minutes.
23:35.54TC-Workoh please, just start it up and play another game, or watch a movie/tv show
23:37.18foxlitthat rebuke seems absurd to me
23:37.25foxlit"you want to X? Well, do Y instead!"
23:38.23foxlitI'd buy "oh please, it'll never get to queues being that long," but that still leaves a sour taste :(
23:38.58TC-Workit bothers you that much to help them test something?
23:39.28foxlitIt bothers me that it might happen on live.
23:39.34foxlitWhat they do in testing is entirely up to them.
23:39.53TC-Worki would rather have them test now for the possibility than for them to think it wont happen and hve everything break
23:40.02TC-Workhave*
23:40.32TC-Workmy 1st comment was about the testing, not the live btw
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23:46.20nicoli_sanybody get into the gw2 stress test event tom?
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23:46.29Sintacksyay bata invite
23:46.36Sintacksnow to play it for an hour and then never use it again
23:46.41Sintackslike 99% of the people who got theirs already
23:47.26xyphoidi'm pretty disappointed. not even beta invite *spam*
23:49.00BlackNetthey are very stuipd on how they are doing tghe beta invites
23:49.17Sintacks^
23:54.32foxlitBlackNet: how so?
23:54.40vithosqueues on testing where there's only a few servers doesn't say much about what will happen on live where there are how many realms?

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