IRC log for #wowuidev on 20120111

00:04.55Xyphoidit's not gold sellers, it's inflation
00:05.05Xyphoidthe game doesn't have enough gold sinks
00:05.56BlackNeti need to compare 2 realms, am doing a transfer. to find out what items to bring with me :)
00:07.13Xyphoidi wish there was a title you could buy for 1m gold or something
00:07.29BlackNetso whats gold cap now?
00:07.31BlackNet1mil is it?
00:08.01Xyphoidyeah
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00:10.34pompymckenziemc: screenshot it then
00:13.13mckenziemchttp://images.gammatester.com/pics/43ff5d2b856896e9bcaf5ddb4caf22ea.jpg
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00:13.50BlackNetmmo champ spam? :)
00:13.59mckenziemc:D
00:14.45mckenziemci wonder why ms paint fucked with the gamma
00:14.56BlackNetbecause ms paint is shit
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00:17.45pompymckenziemc: enus?
00:17.54mckenziemcyeah
00:18.21pompymaybe u hve a mod that somehow found a way around that
00:19.02mckenziemchttp://images.gammatester.com/pics/b19b349d73324320b64c657bd200b19c.jpg
00:19.30mckenziemci can test with no addons if you'd like
00:20.55BlackNetoh ok i got it, UMJ has the setup for compare already
00:21.13pompyyeah sure mckenziemc
00:21.28mckenziemcwhisper ok or should i spam trade again
00:21.53pompywhichever
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00:24.40pompyoh mckenziemc
00:24.42pompynevermind
00:24.55pompyunchecking "spam filter" has them link now
00:25.04mckenziemclol
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00:26.48pompythat spam filter is pointless when i have it enabled and see 5,000 messages from the same gold seller
00:27.17mckenziemchehe
00:28.06mckenziemcso i take it you can send messages that would be blocked by the filter whether you have it enabled or not, unless you're sending it to someone who has the filter on
00:34.18pompymckenziemc: i can send the message with the filter off, i cant if the filter is on.
00:34.25Torhalfilters pompy.
00:34.34mckenziemcyou're sending it to yourself right?
00:34.38pompyyup
00:35.09mckenziemcit seems ot be saying "you could send that message but this person wouldn't receive it because they have blocking it"
00:35.24mckenziemcso you know your whisper wasn't seen at all by them
00:36.01mckenziemci didn't actually test it that way; i'm guessing because i tried /say and saw the talk animation, but no text in the log
00:40.50mckenziemcblocking enabled*
00:54.06pompymckenziemc: if you have the filter disabled and you send it to someone that has it enabled, you dont get the error message anymore but you dont see the whisper in the chatbox
00:54.40mckenziemcthat's odd
00:54.56mckenziemci would expect it to work like the message you get when someone has you ignored
00:56.15pompy"X is ignoring you" ? right
00:56.40mckenziemci think so
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00:59.40pompymckenziemc: i had my friend turn off the spam filter and i didnt see the whisper on my end sent but the person said they received it...
01:00.41mckenziemctested with a starter edition receiving the whispers: filter off on sender, on on receiver gives error to sender, nothing recieved; on, off -> sender doesn't see, receiver does
01:00.54pompyyeah
01:00.57pompythats weird
01:01.26mckenziemcthis is the way i'd expect it, except it should always show for the sender imo
01:02.10pompyoh nevermind, i see the link on my end sent..
01:02.23pompythe spam filter was on again, so i turned it off and tried again
01:02.47BlackNeti need some ideas for a cleaver creative horde guild bank name
01:04.33Dark_ElfBlackNBlue
01:05.24BlackNetmy sisters bf said 2 dolla horde, dunno about that one
01:05.40Dagmar"Compusive Horders"
01:05.53BlackNetthat might work :)
01:06.15BlackNetthat works
01:06.16Dagmar_Especially_ for a bank guild
01:06.19BlackNetnow for 4 sigs
01:06.29mckenziemcUS region?
01:06.51BlackNetyea
01:06.58mckenziemcactually afk, gunshots somewhere outside
01:07.15Dagmareep
01:08.08kd3funny how little I care about gunshots in the boonies
01:08.13kd3it's all shotgun shells anyway
01:08.17XyphoidGoldorc's Sacks
01:08.18BlackNetonly 5 realms with that guild name
01:08.39DagmarAt least with shells you're not as likely to have to worry about stray fire
01:10.07BlackNetok htf do i invite ppl to join
01:10.22mckenziemcyeah, that probably sounded worse than i intended
01:10.30kd3a guild? target them and right-click the guild petition in your backpack
01:10.43mckenziemci live in a rural area so it's normal; just wantet to make sure it wasn't tresspassers again
01:10.55mckenziemcBlackNet: what realm? i'll sign
01:11.24BlackNetarygos
01:11.27BlackNeti have 2 accounts.
01:11.36BlackNettrying to figure out how to invite charters
01:11.52kd3points at his last line
01:11.52mckenziemcuh
01:12.10mckenziemchow to make a charter or how to request signatures from characters?
01:12.34BlackNethow to request signatures from a toon
01:12.54kd3you have the petition, right?
01:12.55mckenziemcwhat kd3 said
01:13.04BlackNetohyea duh
01:13.06BlackNetinventory
01:13.18mckenziemcwas about to ask which faction >.>
01:13.18kd3make sure it's in your initial 16-slot backpack
01:13.26mckenziemcwhich city are you in though
01:13.46BlackNethuman starting zone
01:14.00mckenziemcwait what
01:14.02BlackNetgoing to dump gold and shit here and do a realm xfer + faction with my farming account
01:14.36mckenziemci thought you wanted a horde guild
01:15.02BlackNeti do
01:15.09mckenziemcand it's new so i wouldn't expect a transfer
01:15.13BlackNetit will be a horde when its all done with
01:15.17mckenziemcok
01:15.22BlackNeti have 65k to dump before i can move my raiding toon
01:16.15mckenziemcyou the worgen?
01:16.23BlackNetyes
01:16.36mckenziemcbet you can't figure out which one's me!
01:17.09BlackNetone per account
01:17.15mckenziemcyeeah
01:17.22mckenziemcmy other account's inactive
01:17.34mckenziemcso i'll just leave this char around for a while and delete it some other day
01:17.50BlackNetk thanks
01:18.02BlackNetjust need 4 sigs total.
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01:19.03karl_w_wwho wants a 2gb stick of not-really-working ddr2 ram?
01:19.13BlackNetlol
01:19.20Shirikhow much
01:19.33Shirikif I get paid to take it, I'll take it
01:19.40karl_w_wcost of postage :P
01:20.03karl_w_wactually its 2 years old
01:20.11karl_w_wwonders about g.skill's warranty
01:20.29ShirikI've never picked up g.skill they seemed like an off-brand
01:20.36Shirikbut I've been seeing good things about them lately
01:21.03karl_w_wthey've always been pretty good as far as I know
01:21.14karl_w_wquiet achievers :P
01:25.00DagmarI suppose that beats Jaton's "silent failures"
01:25.33BlackNetgoing to call my sis :) her and her bf has accounts :) get them to sign :)
01:27.18karl_w_wG.SKILL's memory modules all carry a lifetime warranty.
01:27.33karl_w_w^ from the horse's mouth
01:28.29mckenziemci need more ram D:
01:29.04karl_w_wrams mckenziemc
01:29.15mckenziemcdies.
01:31.34karl_w_wwhy do you need more ram mckenziemc?
01:31.48mckenziemci have only 3GB
01:32.14karl_w_wi only have 2 now!
01:32.17BlackNetalzheimers :)
01:32.20mckenziemcouch
01:33.50karl_w_won the plus side while I was in there i cleaned the 2mm thick, dense dust off the heatsink
01:34.17mckenziemchah
01:35.05karl_w_wmy pc turned itself off on the third LFR madness platform earlier because it was too hot :P
01:35.18DagmarOops.  Heh
01:36.43mckenziemcthere's no text alias for bear form etc in stance conditionals, just the numbers, right?
01:36.57karl_w_wright
01:37.20karl_w_wtheres a list of the stance numbers on the making a macro wowpedia page though
01:37.26mckenziemcyeah
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01:39.39BlackNetdidnt' it use to be 10 sig's for a guild?
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01:41.01karl_w_wyes
01:41.06karl_w_wisn't it still?
01:41.18BlackNetno
01:41.22BlackNetit's 4 sigs now
01:42.09karl_w_weverything gets nerfed :P
01:42.12mckenziemctechnically 5; the charter creator counted in both cases
01:42.18BlackNetcept argent tournament
01:42.25BlackNeti loose all that shit when i transfer :(
01:43.15mckenziemcrerolled.
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03:21.32mckenziemchuh
03:21.41mckenziemcgot removed form a group, no idea why o.o
03:24.14Jammerlow damage maybe?
03:24.22mckenziemctank
03:24.36mckenziemc(lowbie dungeon)
03:25.07Jammerrarely see people kicking tanks :o
03:25.36Jammermaybe they thought you were too slow pulling or taking too much damage
03:27.52ShirikCide loves me
03:28.25mckenziemchealer made an untargetted request for us to loot so she could skin and i didn't go back to check those corpses, but i doubt she'd be crazy enough to kick for that o.o
03:28.51mckenziemcoh well, instead new group :)
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03:34.45BlackNetwohooo guild is done
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04:02.25mckenziemc1Imposing Pants of the Eagle
04:02.34mckenziemc1interesting name o.o
04:05.14mckenziemc1should've been "of the Monkey" though
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04:16.06BlackNetok this is interesting.
04:16.41BlackNetone of the top guilds on the realm is saying they tried going into lfr and doing auto attacks, they made out liek bandits on the loot rolls doing that.
04:18.04Xyphoidthat's a pretty good troll
04:18.32BlackNetplural
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05:03.03BlackNethttp://www.wallpapers4desktop.com/images/Wallpapers/Funny/%28Fun%29%20-%20Wallpapers4Desktop.com%20019.jpg
05:09.48starlonavacados are good for you and taste good in everything. bacon is bad for you but tastes good in anything. Take the bacon, put it in the avacado, then put it all in everything.
05:10.18starlonamazing what you'll find online
05:14.14mckenziemc1puts starlon in an avacado
05:14.35mckenziemc1avocado (sp)
05:14.35batbotmckenziemc1, avocado is correct.
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05:22.11Shirikdududu
05:22.14Shirikhugs batbot
05:22.54mckenziemc1destroys Shirik.
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05:26.15bluspacecow<PROTECTED>
05:26.22bluspacecowOH HAI TEKKLOUD
05:26.27bluspacecowR U LOUD ?
05:26.36mckenziemc1bluspacecow: necrophile
05:26.41bluspacecow?
05:26.54bluspacecowy a necrophile ?
05:27.14TC-WorkShirik: batbot calls you a coward quite often, why do you hug it!!!!?!?!?!?
05:27.17mckenziemc1i destroyed shirik; you fondled a corpse
05:27.23bluspacecowoh
05:27.25bluspacecow<PROTECTED>
05:27.36bluspacecow*puts Shirik's arm back*
05:27.51bluspacecow*as well as his right leg , nose and left ear*
05:27.57bluspacecowhe's falling apart!
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05:34.32karl_w_wif only avocados didnt taste horrible
05:35.37karl_w_wor have a texture reminiscent of soap
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05:52.37DagmarThe first rule of MMORPG Club is that we don't talk about patch night
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06:10.46Fiskerbluspacecow
06:10.48Fiskeri have to poop
06:11.12bluspacecowlol
06:11.13bluspacecowme too!
06:11.47mckenziemc1you should help each other
06:13.47bluspacecowi'll run the water. you can get the metamusel
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07:53.28karl_w_woh oh!
07:53.42mckenziemc1oh?
07:53.58karl_w_wi wonder if you'll be able to use cross realm raids to transfer boas between realms
07:54.14karl_w_wyou'd have to have 2 wow accounts obviously
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07:54.41mckenziemc1probably wouldn't be tradeable
07:54.46mckenziemc1while in the instance
07:54.56karl_w_wwhy not :P
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07:55.08mckenziemc1same reason plain water isn't
07:55.12mckenziemc1it's not conjured
07:55.19mckenziemc1etc
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07:55.22karl_w_whmm yeah
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07:58.36Fiskerowned karl_w_w
07:59.15karl_w_wdisowns Fisker
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08:18.04Mr_Rabiesprobably, for about a week after someone tries it
08:20.35mckenziemc1i don't see why it would be any different than cross-realm dungeons for that
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08:26.09mckenziemcbig groups and body pulls galore and a dps asks if i've learned not to "pull big"
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09:21.00Xueriansighs.
09:21.02XuerianI love metatables.
09:22.39dolbyHappy Birthday Cairenn!
09:22.47CairennThanks Dolby
09:23.14Xueriano.o
09:23.20XuerianHappy birthday D:
09:23.30CairennThanks Xuerian
09:23.54XuerianIs this "early" or "late" for you :p
09:24.11Cairenn4:25am
09:24.27XuerianYeah, but are you drinking coffee to get going or to stay going
09:24.44CairennNaw, I'm actually just getting ready to go pass out
09:24.55CairennI has a tired
09:24.57Xuerian:P
09:25.02XuerianWell has a good birthday later too =p
09:25.20Xueriangets a tongue cramp.
09:25.28CairennThanks :)
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09:42.13karl_w_whttp://www.catchoftheday.com.au/smallfish_info.php?products_id=45667 amazing desk ornament or piece of tat?
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09:54.30mckenziemc1hey airtonix
09:55.38airtonixso there were two peanuts walking down the street and one was assaulted
09:55.49airtonixmckenziemc1: no it's not
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11:02.12TorhalGo to sleep, Fisker.
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11:34.50Fiskeri wish Torhal
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12:32.55airtonixhey Torhal|work
12:33.02airtonixdid you get it ?
12:33.10airtonixtwo peanuts?
12:33.20airtonixi thought it was funny anyway
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13:11.34bluspacecowhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQBMPDbqlvc
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14:21.00LunessaHello Ladies.
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14:24.32LopeppeppyHello, handsome.
14:24.36bluspacecow\o
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14:48.22sintAcksI still stand by what i said. anyway, the ToU/EULA is a clusterfuck, like most contracts.
14:48.39bluspacecowheh
14:48.52bluspacecowi wouldn't argue account selling in this channel if i were you
14:48.55Lunessaclusterfuck sounds like a weapon of mass distraction
14:49.01sintAckslol. i had no plans to, blu
14:49.07sintAckslol Lunessa
14:49.14sintAcksWhy is Scroll of Res on CD?
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14:49.17kullervonor any other wow channel
14:49.20bluspacecowcan i has cluster fuck ? it sounds exciting
14:49.32sintAcksI would think they would want it live until a few months before Mists
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14:52.36Lunessabluspacecow: First install a server cluster.  Then … fuck it.
14:52.50Lopeppeppy...
14:53.00LopeppeppySplintery wires are splintery.
14:53.16LunessaAn IP table error should be plenty to fuck it really good.
14:53.20TorhalLunessa: You should consume a smidgen of booze to calm the violent tide.
14:53.26LopeppeppyLittle Bobby Drop Tables?
14:53.30Torhallol
14:53.41LunessaTorhal: I has a work day. Booze, no can has.
14:53.54TorhalCall in angry.
14:54.11Torhal"Sorry, I can't come in today; I'm fucking angry!"
14:54.12LunessaI'd like to have called in sick again, but… work must be done
14:54.54bluspacecowthat reminds me
14:55.01bluspacecowmy favourite quote from another channel
14:55.03bluspacecow"Quote 380: <~nate> I reckon one of the network guys was rooting his misses on their radius server and in the process of doing the nasty <~nate> he rooted her and the server < cg> that's penetration testing right there."
14:55.45Lunessa… /facepalm
14:55.46TorhalSo you have at least 379 more.
14:55.48LopeppeppyMy name isn't Angry, it's Bitter!
14:56.12bluspacecow386 roughly
14:57.50bluspacecowso im guessing that place now has a no hanky panky in the server room rule
14:58.06LopeppeppyThere always was a "no liquids" rule, bluspacecow.
14:58.38bluspacecow*blurts hot chocolate out of nose*
14:58.46bluspacecowXD LMAO
14:59.48LopeppeppySorry sweetie, you should know better than to be drinking while I'm typing at you. It's dangerous. Be glad that wasn't tequila.
15:00.09bluspacecowLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
15:07.35Lunessahttp://xkcd.com/1002/ - The alt text for this is … HILARIOUS
15:08.36bluspacecowwhat is 7 minutes in heaven ?
15:09.03LopeppeppyI dunno, but I totally understand  Calvinball.
15:09.31bluspacecowits like football except the ball is a dwarf called calvin ?
15:09.55LunessaCalvinball is awesome
15:10.20Elkanothe good news: welcome to the orcball team. the bad news: you're the ball.
15:10.26LopeppeppyIt's.... yes, you're the ball.
15:14.07bluspacecowbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb the ball
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15:29.29Fiskerhey bluspacecow
15:29.31Fiskernot so hey Lopeppeppy
15:30.01LopeppeppyRaspberry jam.
15:30.25LunessaDon't make me hungry Lopeppeppy!
15:32.58Ackiswell this made me sad for the day: http://i.imgur.com/J3xAk.png
15:33.02LopeppeppySorry, Lunessa. You should eat some breakfast sometimes?
15:33.51LunessaI did.  I had a nice pastry.
15:34.46LopeppeppyAh. Sugars aren't breakfast, silly bear.
15:38.17LunessaYou would rather I ate nothing?  :P
15:40.22LopeppeppyHmm.  Trick question.
15:44.52alestaneSugar for breakfast runs out too fast...needs some protein with it.
15:45.04alestaneMiso soup with breakfast is godly.
15:46.17bluspacecow*starts salivating*
15:46.51Fiskerlol
15:47.04Fiskergetting my tier from baradin holder quicker than raiding the dungeon
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15:49.46bluspacecowimma go lie down on my bed and read
15:50.22LopeppeppySoups is not breakfasts! English muffin that's so hot it makes the peanut butter all melty and runny and messy!
15:52.52Lunessa… I'm going to go see if there are more kolaches.
15:53.59LunessaNo, there are no more kolaches, so I will nom this tasty apple pastry instead.
15:55.02LopeppeppyWhat is a kolache?
15:55.45LunessaIt's a pastry shell with delicious things inside like sauasge and cheese.
15:56.00LopeppeppySnausage? Hmm.  Ham and cheese would be fun.
15:56.09LunessaThe "pastry" is sort of bread-like in consistency.
15:56.48LunessaI think they are of Polish origin but they are popular here and available all over Houston.
15:58.45LopeppeppyBite sized food, stuff it in your pocket when you go to work.
15:59.09LunessaThese are usually about the size of a small sandwich or bun.
15:59.31Lunessahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolache
16:00.14Lopeppeppyperfect pocket food then
16:02.02alestaneEnglish muffin is also good, Peppy, but speak not ill of the morning miso.
16:02.25LunessaMiso is good for you.  Mmmmm….
16:02.36LunessaNow I want to go to ths sushi place for lunch.
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16:08.22FiskerLopeppeppy
16:08.24Fiskerhowever not Lunessa
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17:07.25Mikkthe fuck
17:07.35Mikklinkury smartbar randomly deciding to get installed on pc
17:07.44Mikkdon't even recall installing any new software recently
17:08.52LopeppeppyMessenger Plus?
17:09.53Arrowmasterwow, Dean Stockwell doing an AMA
17:10.24Kraps_wwhos that
17:11.39Arrowmaster"I am Cylon #1 on BSG, and Al The Hologram on Quantum Leap. I am Dean Stockwell. AMAA."
17:11.41LunessaHe played Superman on TV in the 90s on Lois & Clark
17:11.55LunessaOh, wait… wrong dean?
17:12.12LunessaYeah, I had the wrong dean
17:13.09LunessaDear Hostess - Maybe after you finish your Chapter 11 reorg you canmake some products that don't taste like shit.
17:14.36Lopeppeppyho hos are cardboard.  Eeeevil
17:17.38LunessaI can't believe how badly I craved that crap as a kid.  My mom was wise indeed to limit my intake.
17:21.18XuerianThe chocolate rolls.. Are still good.
17:21.27XuerianEven if I don't eat them anymore :(
17:23.32AckisArrowmaster: didn't he do that last night?
17:24.09Fiskerjnwhiteh
17:24.18ArrowmasterAckis: yeah
17:24.42MikkLopeppeppy: don't use messenger. certainly haven't installed messenger plus.
17:24.44MikkSkype yes
17:25.21alestaneI will eat the chocolate cupcakes about once every six months.
17:25.24LopeppeppyThat's the only thing that I readily gooogled it as being bundled with - but they bundle just about any shit with anything now a days
17:25.39LopeppeppyI'd rather be addicted to clementines, alestane.  *nom nom nom*
17:25.51alestaneOh, clementines are delightful.
17:26.11Kraps_wclementines
17:26.18Arrowmasterholy shit this is fucking epic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCeYMpu3oXg
17:26.39ArrowmasterDagmar: ^^^^
17:27.46LopeppeppyThey are awesome. Peel so easy, no seeds, nearly instant citrus gratification.
17:30.17Fiskerseen better Arrowmaster
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17:32.09moopis anyone familiar with any discrepancies between what's reported in-game and what's logged to WoWCombatLog.txt?
17:32.53Kraps_wdammit Lopeppeppy now i want one
17:32.56Fiskerfake btw Arrowmaster
17:33.02moophttp://www.wowwiki.com/API_COMBAT_LOG_EVENT#Suffixes -- suggests that resisted, blocked, and absorbed parameters should be a number
17:33.28moopand I've checked several logs that Ive created myself, and that's correct
17:33.56moophowever, in-game, when I'm attempting to compare them, it's saying "attempt to compare a number with nil"
17:34.14moopis it possible that they're logged as 0, but reported in-game as nil?
17:34.18Maldiviayeah
17:34.42Maldiviathey are reported as nil ingame, if nothing is absorbed/blocked/resisted
17:34.46moopohhh
17:34.50LopeppeppyTis the season, Kraps. Just make sure if you buy a box to check the bottom for mushy ones, eeew.
17:34.50ArrowmasterCairenn|afk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjcdwY41jJE
17:34.55moopthought I was going crazy, thanks Maldivia :)
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17:35.24Maldiviamoop: probably so they can do a quick check like if blocked then ...
17:35.29moopyeah
17:35.32Maldiviasince 0 is boolean true
17:35.46moopsimilarly they could do if blocked > 0 then
17:36.09Maldiviaor perhaps your block is so bad, that you managed to block, but only managed to block 0 damage?
17:36.23moopare there any other parameters which are reported as nil in-game and logged as 0?
17:37.04moopoverkill is always >= 0 or -1
17:37.12moopnever nil, that I've experienced
17:37.51moopwhere == 0 is the (rare) event that you take exactly the amount of damage as your remaining health
17:37.54Maldiviacan't remember to be honest, been a long time since I'ce played with combat log events
17:39.36cogwheelis there any way to lose consortium rep?
17:39.51moopI guess I'll find out along the way -- thanks a lot for the confirmation! :)
17:40.26AckisMaster Ackis RecipeList :D I'm amused by the ability to have last names in ToR :D
17:41.47moopby the way, what would be your guys' opinion if a 'rival' addon claimed it was "a lot better than <your addon>"? (especially when it's not true)
17:42.09moopand that was written all over it's description page, change log, and in-game
17:42.32moopopinion be*
17:43.28Maldiviapersonally, I  try to avoid comparing, but I guess it's a valid marketing approach
17:43.34Ackissaid owner of the addon is a douche
17:43.57moopfigured he was a douche, but would you "retaliate" or just ignore it and move on?
17:44.08Maldiviaignore and move on
17:44.25LopeppeppyRetaliation never really works.
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17:44.41moopthat's what I've done so far, but I figured I might add a little note to my addon's description page or something
17:44.53moopbecause users are easily influenced
17:44.54Lunessacogwheel: I don't think so.
17:44.57foxlit"THIS ADDON IS TOTALLY BETTER THAN THAT OTHER ADDON DESPITE THEIR CLAIMS TO THE CONTRARY."
17:45.12foxlit"ALSO, MAKE ME A SANDWICH."
17:45.14Maldivia"Now only 5% worse than other addon!"
17:45.14cogwheelwonderful. I have to have neutral rep with consortium to finish nagrand slam so no loremaster for me
17:45.18cogwheel~lart blizzard
17:45.18purlteaches blizzard that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right.
17:45.36moopI was going to add it iironically, not with any malice :D
17:45.56Lunessafoxlit: sudo make me a sandwhich
17:45.57Mikkcogwheel: oO
17:46.15MikkLunessa: Password: penis
17:46.19MikkError: password too short
17:46.21cogwheeland by "wonderful" I mean "fuck you blizzard i've been flying around for a week doing quests in other zones trying to figure out what I missed and now i find out it's not even possible anymore"
17:46.32kd3|netbookgrr. trying to create an android vm here on my netbook. so slooooooow
17:46.54foxlitcogwheel: really?
17:47.02nevcairielhow is reputation related to loremaster?
17:47.06nevcairielis confused
17:47.13cogwheelbecause the quest giver stops giving the quest once you hit friendly
17:47.16foxlitthere are a few quests that go away once you reach higher levels.
17:47.29nevcairielmaybe you should've quested there when you leveld, then!
17:47.30foxlitI doubt the boundaries on the achievement are that tight, though
17:47.37nevcairielusually arent
17:47.42foxlit(higher reputation levels)
17:47.54LunessaWhat's the quest you're trying to finish?
17:48.08nevcairielloremaster usually at least gives you 5-10 quests of wiggle room
17:48.09cogwheelstart
17:48.32foxlitis there some website where we can see the quests you did do?
17:48.36cogwheelhttp://www.wowhead.com/quest=9914
17:48.46nevcairielhey i remember that quest
17:49.00nevcairielbut its ony single quest
17:49.07nevcairielnot even a chain of sorts
17:49.11cogwheelfoxlit: i've been playing with completedquests apis
17:49.21cogwheelthat's how i figured out these are the ones i missed
17:49.22foxlitcogwheel: they expose it through the web api, too
17:49.26nevcairielno loremaster is 100% of all quests
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17:49.53cogwheelhttp://www.wowhead.com/achievement=1192
17:50.03cogwheelthere are only 82 quests in nagrand that count towards loremaster
17:50.06cogwheeland you need 80
17:50.14foxlit"Complete 75 quests in Nagrand"
17:50.16nevcairielachiev says you need 75
17:50.23cogwheelerrr 75
17:50.28cogwheelnow i'm confused
17:50.30nevcairielthats 7 extra, what does that one hurt
17:50.51foxlitand cogwheel is a gnome?
17:51.04foxlit[or at least alliance?]
17:51.08nevcairielgnomes cant do some quests? :p
17:51.10cogwheelwonder how many of them are breadcrumbs?
17:51.28nevcairielthose with very low xp usually
17:52.26cogwheelsome of those 82 are dupes in the wowhead list
17:52.38cogwheel(aldor v scryer)
17:52.59foxlitin Nagrand?
17:53.03cogwheelyes
17:53.16cogwheelso there's definitely fewer than 82 possible quests
17:54.02cogwheeland if i got to questgivers before getting breadcrumbs then i wouldn't have gotten credit for the breadcrumb
17:54.29LopeppeppyThose achievements really require you to snag every breadcrumb possible.
17:54.33cogwheeland take off the 2-3 consortium quests that are no longer available to me
17:54.45cogwheeland you're easily under 75
17:54.46foxlitI remember reading that breadcrumbs don't count for anything.
17:55.01Kraps_w<PROTECTED>
17:55.01kd3|netbook^ I was always under the impression that breadcrumbs don't count
17:55.15cogwheelin wihch case the 82 number is significantly inflated
17:55.20cogwheelwhich only further proves my point
17:55.45foxlitanyway, dump your completed quest IDs, compare to list, see what you missed?
17:55.59nevcairielarent there addons that do that
17:56.05kd3|netbookeveryquest?
17:56.06cogwheelagain, that's how i came across this
17:56.17cogwheeli was going to try one of the addons right now actually
17:56.38karl_w_whttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0QTar0MEwc
17:56.45nevcairielto be honest, doing loremaster back when the achievements were new and no addons were around was more fun. :P
17:57.31cogwheelcog was my first toon to 70 and he skipped nagrand. was probably frinedly with consortium long before i even knew loremaster existed.....
17:57.56mikmakarl_w_w: boom!
17:58.04nevcairielnagrand is such a nice place, i would've rather skipped blades edge or so!
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17:59.06foxlitfwiw "I had the same problem, i was at 73/75. But then i killed air elementals and got a quest item for http://www.wowhead.com/quest=9861. That has a follow up, so u can get Nagrand Slam without the consortium quest."
17:59.07karl_w_wpretty sure you could skip blade's edge
17:59.18cogwheeldid that one
18:00.32foxlitbut if he hasn't, then there's a few quests worth of slack.
18:00.51foxlitkilled the invader mobs on the road?
18:01.39foxlitrescued the broken prisoner?
18:02.13cogwheelyep
18:02.17cogwheelyep
18:03.55Maldiviathe elite quests at the fear camp?
18:04.55cogwheelyep
18:05.24cogwheelQuest Completist shows the only quests i haven't completed are in telaar or aeris landing
18:05.31cogwheelall of which are completely devoid of !s for me
18:05.46LunessaSome of those start from drops.
18:05.49cogwheeloh wait... there's one in Halaa
18:06.01cogwheelyeah, i've already done all the obiviously missable ones
18:06.13cogwheelthis has been established no fewer than 3 times this morning in variosu conversations ><
18:06.17foxlitI don't think there is any way to authoritatively get a list of quests that count for any particular achievement.
18:06.34LunessaSorry, I've only got a few seconds at a time for IRC.
18:06.42cogwheeloh there's one in Halaa too
18:06.50cogwheelhopefully it'll lead to a 2nd
18:09.21cogwheelbah... server restart.
18:10.13foxlitthere's also that one quest chain from Terokkar.
18:10.45cogwheeli've done all the quests in terokkar
18:11.06foxlitand one of them brought you to nagrand, which you also did?
18:11.10cogwheelyep
18:11.50karl_w_wwhen you get consortium rep there is a quest that used to start them giving you gems, does it still exist and count and have u done it? :P
18:12.20cogwheelrepeatables don't count towards loremaster
18:12.28karl_w_wits not repeatable
18:12.49cogwheelthen i don't know what you mean and/or you haven't been paying attention :P
18:12.50karl_w_wyou do it once and after that they used to mail them to you monthly
18:13.19cogwheel(don't know what that has to do with nagrand)
18:13.34karl_w_wthat's where the quest is :P
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18:13.53cogwheelthe consortium don't offer quests after you get to friendly
18:14.05cogwheelthat's what i was bitching about when this whole convo started
18:14.11cogwheel(in nagrand)
18:14.31karl_w_whttp://www.wowhead.com/npc=18265
18:14.39karl_w_wmembership benefits
18:15.11cogwheellike i said
18:15.17cogwheelconsortium has no quests for me
18:15.24cogwheelso either i completed it or it's no longer available
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18:18.19karl_w_wyou could just make a ticket and say i've done all the ones I can :P
18:18.31karl_w_wthe GMs sometimes help with things like that
18:19.15cogwheelif this halaa quest doesn't lead to another one i'm going to.
18:25.10cogwheelyeah it's just the first turn-in of a repeatable so it'll only get me to 74/75
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18:28.19alestaneWhat's the preferred tool to make Firefox display PDFs inline?
18:28.25Fiskerhaha lfr Stanzilla
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18:28.33Fiskerone or more bloods survived the platform
18:28.39Fiskeron each platform
18:28.48Fiskerwe got 92 debuffs from tentacles on the fourth platform
18:30.29alestaneThere seem to be dozens of tools that say the save, or convert, or search PDFs; I just want to be able to view them without explictly downloading them.
18:32.30alestaneTry Adobe, i guess.
18:33.28Fiskergoogle
18:33.32Fiskeror chrome
18:34.03Fiskeralso cogwheel
18:34.07Fiskerthere's a dick quest in nagrand
18:34.15Fiskerthat is a rare spawn
18:34.20Fiskerunless they changed it
18:36.41cogwheelwow... i never knew there was an inside to oshu'gun until just now...
18:36.51Arrowmasterseriously?
18:36.53Torhal|workfacepalms.
18:37.01Arrowmastertheres a major quest to do down there
18:37.09cogwheelnot one that i got...
18:37.18cogwheelis it horde?
18:37.47Arrowmasteri thought it was from the consortium
18:37.54Lunessacogwheel: No, it's universal.
18:38.02cogwheelthen maybe i did do it and just don't remember ><
18:38.07LunessaI forget how it starts though. :/
18:38.26Arrowmasterit either starts or ends with something in the terrokar dungenons
18:38.43Arrowmasterwhich is probably why im thinking consortium
18:39.10kd3|netbookmost of oshu'gun is horde. there are some alliance-side quests, though
18:39.39cogwheelthere are quests *around* oshu'gun that I've done on several toons
18:39.42cogwheelnever seen one to go in
18:40.44LunessaI did it on Unkle.  Some quest took me inside and then there was the demon to kill there.  But I can't recall how I got started on that path.
18:41.15kd3|netbookfrom, uh... the western dungeon in auchindoun
18:42.19Arrowmasterhmm horde only it seems http://www.wowhead.com/npc=17545
18:42.51Fiskersay Lunessa
18:43.02cogwheeland the named demon in there isn't involved in any quest
18:43.17cogwheelsubjugator vaz'shir
18:43.24Fiskerit's weird cogwheel
18:43.26Fiskerumad?
18:44.06cogwheellooks like it
18:44.42Fiskerdamn
18:44.45Fiskerthat sucks cogwheel
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18:45.10Fiskerhttp://i.imgur.com/yWaQZ.jpg <-should've seen how mad i were when i saw this
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18:50.18Mikkerm which?
18:50.43LopeppeppyMust be the bag addon.
18:54.40Ackiswhy so mad Fisker?
18:55.00Fiskerbecause Ackis
18:58.15olafskisince when do paladins have more than 2 abilities?
18:58.52olafskior is that just some addon that shows random ability icons to make you feel important?
19:00.09karl_w_wis it possible to make wow think it's playing an mp3 or similar but ur actually feeding it a stream?
19:00.25LopeppeppyFeeding it a stream from where?
19:00.48karl_w_wanywhere
19:01.00LopeppeppyClosed sandbox - how are you going to get it in?
19:01.26karl_w_wyou constantly write to the sound file wow is playing
19:01.42Lunessano can do
19:01.53LunessaWow only reads files at start up.
19:02.20Lunessa(Yes, I'm over-simplifying, but the point remains)
19:02.39foxlitwhy bother making wow think it's playing anything?
19:03.03LopeppeppyJust turn off the wow music and play your stream in a different window. No fancy programming needed.
19:03.05foxlitwhy not just play whatever in an external application?
19:03.08LunessaWhy not just… play a stream in a streaming player.
19:03.11nicoli_sdid anything ever progress from that guy who found out you could use a host file to redirect the help page?
19:03.43Lunessanicoli_s: I don't recall hearing anything.
19:04.25karl_w_wpossible to do ~= would do
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19:06.09LopeppeppyWoW will not do your laundry, make you a sandwich, or do anything else that many people think it should do. It's just a game.
19:08.13karl_w_wit wont make me a sandwich?
19:08.16karl_w_wuseless
19:08.32Maldiviabut there's mana biscuits!
19:08.36karl_w_wthats it im playing swtor this is unacceptable
19:08.43LopeppeppyAnd the Pandaran express
19:09.21Lunessaswtor won't make you a sanwich either.
19:09.29Lunessasandwich even
19:09.40Maldiviathis is not the sandwich you're looking for
19:10.37LopeppeppyA jedi should do the work with his own hands, and not require the use of the force, or the labor of others.
19:10.56karl_w_wyeah but swtor is new, ive been playing wow for years and still no sandwich
19:11.25Maldiviawell, you do have a few companions... so there should be an option for a sandwich ...
19:11.42karl_w_wwhen did icc come out roughly?
19:11.46karl_w_w2 years ago right?
19:11.48LopeppeppyDo not eat your companions, Maldivia.
19:11.52karl_w_wor am i going crazy
19:12.15Maldiviakarl_w_w: Dec 8, 2009
19:12.38karl_w_wthanks
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19:14.25Maldiviaso if you're basing MoP release date on ICC and Cataclysm, it'll be early November :P
19:14.49LopeppeppyNah. February, for Valentines Day. Such a romantic gift!
19:15.03karl_w_wive got my money on august Maldivia
19:15.18Maldiviastill think they should release D3 on valentines day... the most diabolic day of the year
19:15.28karl_w_wlol
19:15.35Lopeppeppymutters dark words of hate and doooomy doom
19:15.41karl_w_wis d3 that close?
19:16.05karl_w_whope it is im looking for a game to fill the gaps right now :P
19:16.23Maldiviamy guess at the moment says March 20th, for a D3 release
19:16.38Kraps_wwhens valentines day
19:16.45Maldiviafeb 14
19:18.06karl_w_wmy guess is before easter
19:18.23*** topic/#wowuidev by Seerah -> http://pastebin.com || 4.3.x ToC: 40300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || beer with me everybody - Cide || Happy Birthday, Cairenn!!
19:18.41alestaneThank you, Seerah. I don't know that she would have done it herself.
19:18.47Seerah:D
19:19.01LunessaAlso, beer with me?
19:19.13Kraps_wbeer with me!
19:19.17Seerahshrugs
19:19.22Seerahit was already there :p
19:19.59LopeppeppyBeers!
19:20.11karl_w_whappy beerday Cairenn|afk
19:22.31karl_w_whttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzzjgBAaWZw such a good video which I'm sure everybody's seen
19:23.12alestaneWhat beers does Peppy like?
19:23.18alestaneCairenn won't drink it.
19:23.33Nechcknliquid, from what I understand.  Eh, Lopeppeppy?
19:23.45SeerahI don't do beer either
19:24.01Maldiviakarl_w_w: Don't.... Blink !
19:24.19NechcknUnless it is really good - a couple of shots of whatever you do like and magically, it is delicious, Seerah
19:24.32karl_w_wBUTTS LOL
19:24.39karl_w_w^ spot the reference
19:24.50Seerahafter a couple shots I'd be toasted enough to call it quits ;)
19:25.05NechcknOkay, so... how about one? hehehe
19:25.26alestanetries to forbear from discussing the relationship between body weight and alcohol tolerance.
19:26.15Lunessaalestane: Because the forumla for dosing the human bodywith chemicals is well understood and even taught in high school.
19:29.41LopeppeppyI very very rarely will drink a Guinness or a Smithbeck. That's it.
19:29.48LopeppeppyIn general, beer is nasty.
19:30.06alestaneI find that many beers are nasty, but there are some I like.
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19:34.01LopeppeppyBeer makes good chili and stew though. I was glad when a local store started selling microbrews by the bottle.
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19:34.55LunessaBeer does amazing things to meat.  It is an essential cooking ingredient.
19:37.48alestaneWe still swear by that Beef, cheddar and stout soup of your friend Liam's.
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19:42.17LopeppeppyHe has some weird things he makes
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19:48.13cogwheelyellow ! should have priority over blue ? when the blue ? isn't actually for a quest you're on....
19:48.30alestaneHave you discovered the missing quest?
19:48.34cogwheel*shakes fist at Moi'Bff Jill"
19:48.52LopeppeppyShe's just not your BFF
19:48.59cogwheelWanted: Durn the Hungerer was hidden by More Warbeads
19:49.23alestaneI was going to ask if you'd done Durn the Hungerer, but it seemed so obvious, I figured, why waste time?
19:49.54nevcairielespecially because he ranted earlier he did the obvious ones
19:50.22cogwheeli only minded being asked about the obviously easy to miss ones ;)
19:50.44cogwheelit was the not-so-easy-to-miss ones that were kicking my ass
19:51.06cogwheelso now i'll just rant at the poor UI choice
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20:00.05Ackisyay I enabled my facebook timeline... I'm a bad ass!
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20:00.58LopeppeppyEeew. I'd rather rip out my eyeballs.
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20:01.15LopeppeppyThey're being sued again over the privacy changes of the timeline. Can't wait.
20:02.45Kraps_wat least donate your eyes, dont let them go to waste
20:02.58alestaneBasically, you can take it for granted that anything Facebook does will get them sued by someone.
20:03.44Kraps_wlately there have been ads to be an eye donor
20:04.07Kraps_whow do they make them work in another person?
20:04.10LopeppeppyKraps, my whole body is going to be fun for science.
20:04.36Kraps_wSCIENCE!
20:05.44Kraps_wwe do what we must because we can
20:06.21LopeppeppyFor the good of all of us. Except the ones who are dead.
20:07.25Kraps_whaha
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20:16.55mikmahttp://imgur.com/gallery/8eiXk
20:19.45Torhal|workLopeppeppy: Should Fisker donate his body to Science-fiction?
20:20.38Maldiviamikma: missing the windows progress bar minute
20:20.49mikmamaldivia: it's off the chart anyway
20:23.22LopeppeppyNo. they don't have a big enough box
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20:34.16sylvanaar_workdoes anyone get this? http://www.xkcd.com/5/
20:34.44Lopeppeppy70 got blown into prime factors by the bomb.
20:34.57LopeppeppyJust like the flyover says.  :)
20:35.23sylvanaar_workoh, i dont see the flyover
20:35.41Maldiviacould be a reference to prime bomb :P
20:35.52sylvanaar_workyeah, i got it
20:36.11sylvanaar_workit isnt very funny
20:36.56LopeppeppyNot all of them are, really
20:38.09Mr_Rabiesgoatkcd's a pretty good alternative sometimes (it's nsfw if you're gonna google it)
20:40.03sylvanaar_workthis one is funny http://xkcd.com/682/
20:40.06Maldiviaehh... I think I'll just take your word for it
20:40.24Maldiviasylvanaar, hehe :P
20:41.50Lunessa… why, why, why did I go look at that?
20:42.25sylvanaar_workit was funny
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20:43.23Lopeppeppybecause you're a silly person, Lunessa
20:43.52LunessaI'm from the Ministry of Silly Walks.
20:44.08sylvanaar_workhehe
20:44.11MaldiviaLunessa: because you're curious to the point, that if someone mentions something you don't know, you have to look it up?
20:44.36LunessaMaldivia: Sadly, true.  I've learned more regrettable things that way.
20:45.53sylvanaar_workdid you ever google...the certain color waffles?
20:46.19sylvanaar_worki got suckered into doing that
20:46.28sylvanaar_work:(
20:46.39CairennArrowmaster: awww, poor kittehs!
20:46.41LunessaNo, and now I have an itch to scratch.
20:46.49Maldiviahehe
20:46.54Cairennalestane: you're correct, I wouldn't have
20:47.04alestaneAh.
20:47.05sylvanaar_workLunessa: blue waffles, then click i feel lucky
20:47.37sylvanaar_workim scared for life
20:48.17LopeppeppyNo no, much too perilous
20:49.03Cairennlet me face the peril!
20:49.44alestanegoes looking for a paddle.
20:50.02LopeppeppyTsk tsk, you wuss.
20:51.19sylvanaar_workTIL VIM is an IDE
20:51.23sylvanaar_worklols
20:52.10Maldiviasince when...
20:52.36sylvanaar_worksince this guy said so: http://stackoverflow.com/a/4879322/151501
20:52.38sylvanaar_worklol
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20:54.25Maldiviastackoverflow... what did you expect?!
20:55.19alestaneI was under the impression that a paddle would come in handy for facing the peril, Peppy. Did you think I wouldn't be back?
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20:56.49LopeppeppySpankings, not paddlings
20:56.54LopeppeppyLearn to verb!
20:57.34alestaneAh. Not sufficiently sophisticated, I guess, to consider them separate acts.
20:57.38alestaneYou may educate me.
20:59.09Lunessa…  That is one of the greatest scenes in MPTHG
21:01.07CairennDoes anyone have a good PDF editor that they would recommend?  There are plenty on the web, but I don't know which ones are good, and trustworthy.  I don't have the budget to buy the full version of Acrobat. =/
21:01.09alestaneI don't know whether it was expurgated from the version I saw, or if I just wasn't paying attention.
21:01.39alestaneYou need to edit existing PDF files, Cairenn?
21:01.43Cairennaye
21:02.03alestaneHmm.
21:02.19alestaneI don't remember if Scribus will open PDFs, I know it will save them.
21:02.27Maldiviaright now, or in the future as well - because if it's just right now, you can always take advantage of the 30 day trial on Adobe programs :P
21:02.51alestaneGross edits like page swaps, or changing text content?
21:03.06CairennEvery time I need to agree to an NDA, or sign something, or or or, I end up having to copy the entire freaking thing into Word, make the changes (sign it, whatever) and then convert it back
21:03.44CairennI know I could just use the 30 day free trial, but it comes up often enough that I'd rather get something that won't 'run out'
21:03.46LunessaWow.  They should be sending those to you as PDF forms which you can edit. :/
21:05.26CairennOpenOffice can apparently edit them, but I've got MS Office, I don't really want to install the entire OpenOffice just to be able to edit PDFs
21:05.53Fiskerlol ms offic
21:05.54Fiskere
21:05.56alestaneAnd my copy of OpenOffice doesn't appear to edit them well.
21:05.58MaldiviaCairenn: http://pdfedit.cz/en/index.html might be of use?
21:08.48MaldiviaCairenn: and Acrobate Pro 9 is only $20, if that version is good enough
21:09.19cog|workAcrobate... that sounds like something you'd see in Zumanity
21:09.25Cairennheh
21:09.58Cairennthanks Maldivia
21:10.27LopeppeppyAcromantuala venom is very valuable
21:10.35Cairennlol
21:12.01cog|workwhy do zeppelins have people telling you where it is but boats don't? ZOMG BLIZZ FAVORS HORDE!!!
21:12.45Maldiviacog|work: On the water, on the water, on the water, next to you, on the water, on the water... etc?
21:12.51LunessaI'm going to beat my head against the desk until the pain of that earses the pain of dealing with this woman on the phone…
21:13.02LopeppeppyHorde flavor blizzards? Where?
21:13.28cog|workMaldivia: "The zeppelin just left orgrimmar"
21:14.44BlackNetoh wow, i actually have an infected computer with a boot sector virus on it
21:14.51BlackNetnot seen a true virus in years now
21:14.53cog|workI'd like to know if i just missed the boat to northrend because it would end up being quicker trying to buy a port
21:15.40cog|workheh
21:16.03cog|workis it yours or just one you're responsible for fixing?
21:16.15BlackNetit's a clients machine.
21:16.24alestaneAs opposed to a trojan?
21:16.27LopeppeppyReformat!
21:16.41BlackNetit does have trojan characteristics to it
21:17.03alestaneThat seems to be every IT support department's answer for everything, Peppy; Reimage the machine.
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21:17.16BlackNetlol yea it is
21:17.18alestaneIt will be faster than trying to diagnose and fix anything.
21:17.23BlackNetim formating the machine now actually
21:17.25LunessaSometimes that's the best solution anyway
21:17.31BlackNetwell i did diagnose it
21:17.48cog|workconsidering how much stuff we don't store on our machines these days, reformatting often makes it better than before you got the virus...
21:17.55BlackNetand yea i could fix it but this is the third infection this guy has had so we are doing the long way around
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21:18.14BlackNethave data deleted for one.
21:18.26alestaneOur friend (Khyranda) picked up something NASTY on the laptop a couple of years ago, we think it was Conficker. That shit was EVIL.
21:18.32BlackNetit was/is looking for financial data and sends that to some remote sites.
21:18.42alestaneYou remember, Peppy, you were there when he came over to try and fix it.
21:18.45BlackNetit's technically a modded rootkit
21:19.10LopeppeppyThat thing was nasty ass. I think reformatting was indeed involved.
21:20.10alestaneEventually, yes. By the time he left, I think we had only gotten as far as concluding that reformatting would be required.
21:20.27alestaneAndI think that was the Alienware that he doesn't use anymore.
21:20.52BlackNeti kinda miss the old days.
21:21.52LopeppeppyI love me some reformatting.
21:21.59BlackNetwe use to hide stuff on extra sectors back then :)
21:23.43BlackNetahh yes conficker
21:23.46BlackNetnasty worm that one is
21:23.59alestaneFucked up the computer's ability to boot into safemode.
21:24.08BlackNetmany do that
21:24.24alestaneAnd overrode the ability to reach any websites that trade in anti-malware tools.
21:24.33BlackNetin most cases i do disinfections with out having to reboot
21:24.41LunessaSometimes the best answer to an infection is to take the user out back and put two slugs in the base of their skull.
21:24.46XuerianAnd this is where you fire up the LOU
21:25.02LopeppeppyHigh five, in the face, with a shovel!
21:25.10XuerianAnd we do that in our head
21:25.11BlackNeti have some interesting tools in my clipboard i use in cases like that
21:25.15XuerianOver, and over, and over, and over...
21:25.56BlackNetLunessa most of the cases i have seen the end user was clueless about security and really didn't have any interest to learn nor really cared
21:26.12LunessaThere is a person here on campus who routinely has their machine re-imaged do to infections.  They refuse to learn good practices and they have political clout to get admin rights on their computer.   And at least twice a semester we have to re-image the box.
21:26.16BlackNetthey just want to turn it on and do their work and that's it
21:26.50Xuerianshudders.
21:26.59BlackNeti have one doctor who looks at porn on his work computer between patients.
21:27.12BlackNethe's an orthodontist to and most of his porn is bondage.
21:27.23BlackNethave to go clean up his machine every so often
21:27.27nicoli_sthats weird
21:27.33nicoli_sid bribe the shit out of these people
21:27.36BlackNetthat's creepy as hell to
21:28.10nicoli_shey if i dont get to look at porn at work no one does
21:28.17Lunessanicoli_s: You mean blackmail?
21:28.23BlackNetwell it is his office, his practice and his computer
21:28.24nicoli_sheh that is what i meant
21:28.50nicoli_sof course its his right, just not fair!
21:28.54BlackNeti droped kapersky on the network and was game over after that point.
21:30.18LunessaI used to rent part of a house.  The guy who owned the place was IT-ignorant.  He left wifi totally insecure - I noticed the problem when I was looking at the network load and saw that the 14-year old next door was downloading a LOT of porn.
21:31.05LunessaIt was amazing how much better our network performance got when i locked up the network with passwords and locked it to specific MACs.
21:31.12BlackNetwhen i first moved in here bit over a year ago i left my wifi unsecure, was fishing mostly :)
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21:31.43BlackNetLunessa you can still piggy back on the wifi even if it's encrypted and mac coded
21:31.49BlackNetit's not easy but it's possible
21:32.11LunessaYeah, but not if you're a douchey 14 year old who doesn't know what he's doing.
21:32.17BlackNettrue that
21:33.15BlackNetwas helping a guy i know do some server work at a urologist office. they didnt' know what the wifi stuff was. so i borrowed one of the nurses laptops and put my cd in and told them.
21:33.24LunessaThe side effect of that episode was I combed through all the router logs.  The "upstanding, solid christian" homeowner looked at a lot of sick porn too.
21:33.39BlackNetno big shock there.
21:33.55LunessaYeah, none at all.
21:33.59BlackNetppl who are all up like that have an evil side they dont show the world. it's technically a personality disorder
21:35.22Lunessaok, I'm out.  See folks to morrow.
21:35.30BlackNetoh did you see the worm that was targeting iran's nuke facilties?
21:35.33BlackNetk
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21:48.14AckisI had this cute little blonde visit me at work! she even sat on my lap! :D
21:48.31XuerianAren't you special
21:49.05durcynackis is about as special as it gets
21:49.13Ackis:D
21:49.16Ackisdo I get a gold star?
21:49.42BlackNetpics or it didn't happen!
21:50.06XuerianPics or no star, indeed
21:51.46nicoli_sima tell yer wife
21:51.50Stanzillahe's talking about a dog anyway
21:52.23AckisStanzilla: my niece actually :P
21:53.00StanzillaAckis: is she a god?
21:53.02Stanzillaoh
21:53.03Stanzilladog
21:54.47BlackNeti really dont want to log in today
21:55.20Stanzillafix my HDD instead
21:55.26BlackNetwhats wrong with it
21:56.13durcynhis backup strategy was insufficient
21:56.28BlackNetthat reminds me
21:56.44Stanzilladurcyn: yeah please rub it in, I deserve it :p
21:56.55BlackNetwhat happened?
21:57.06Stanzillathe controll unit got fried
21:57.13Stanzillaso my data is fine, just can't get to it :p
21:57.27BlackNetthe card on the hdd fried?
21:57.30Stanzillayes
21:57.35Stanzillashort circuit
21:57.38BlackNetok
21:57.45BlackNetwill it power up?
21:58.09BlackNetand fyi you can still salvage the data on it
21:58.10Stanzillanope
21:58.20Stanzillayeah, how? :P
21:58.52BlackNetcherry systems in atlanta, ontrack and other co's out there can and will pull the data off the drive.
21:59.00BlackNeteven if there's physical damage to it
21:59.13kd3|netbookthat != cheap
21:59.14BlackNeti have a drive coming back this week actually
21:59.41BlackNetcherry systems non-clean room is something like $700, cleanroom work is $1,500
21:59.55BlackNethad a quote from ontrack for $13,000 on a raid 5 array
22:00.26Stanzillaso you'll pay for me?
22:00.46BlackNetseen a computer get shot and ran over after it fell off the hummer overseas and they were able to pull the data off it
22:01.19nicoli_sim going to atlanta this weekend
22:01.32BlackNethad one tossed off a building to
22:02.51BlackNetthe question is this, is the data on the drive worth the $1,500
22:02.52amroif it's just the circuit, you might try your luck at replacing it
22:02.54Robsatoif you have a drive of the same type you might be able to switch the PCB and read the data.
22:02.59amro^
22:03.55BlackNetwhat the recovery centers do is manufacture replacement parts and get the drive working.
22:04.10StanzillaRobsato: I tried but it's an old drive and I can't get one
22:04.20Robsatothats too bad :-(
22:04.21BlackNetcleanroom work they pull the heads and platters then pull the data off
22:04.34Stanzillathere is this one solution to remove certain things from the pcb to get it working again
22:04.37Stanzillawill try that
22:04.46Ackisnicoli_s: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NjcdwY41jJE
22:04.51Ackisam I an asshole for laughing at that?
22:06.34Cairennnaw, it's funny
22:06.40Cairennpoor kittehs
22:07.05Ackishappy birthday Cairenn! You don't look a day over 18!
22:07.15CairennHehehe, thanks Ackis ;)
22:07.15nicoli_sackis: no way
22:07.21nicoli_salso happy bday Cairenn!
22:07.25alestaneShe's 22 with lots of experience.
22:07.28amrothat's awesome
22:07.32CairennThanks nicoli_s
22:07.52Cairennalestane: :p
22:08.05BlackNetthat looks like the vomit comet plane
22:08.31Ackisis it weird that a needle hole where I had blood donated from always forms a pimple?
22:09.09BlackNetthe immune system does that
22:12.41MaldiviaAckis: LOL
22:15.20Stanzillahappy birthday, Cairenn
22:15.27Cairennthanks Stanzilla
22:18.09Ackisshould drunk dial Cairenn tonight and sing happy birthday
22:18.19Cairennlol
22:19.03MaldiviaUhh, happy birthday Cairenn :D
22:19.12Cairennheh, thanks Maldivia
22:19.57MaldiviaAckis: don't think I've laughed that hard at cats in a long time :P
22:20.31hastehappy birthday Cairenn \:D/
22:20.33Ackis:D
22:20.37Cairennthanks haste :)
22:23.20nicoli_smy cats got super scared by some dogs the other day, that was prob the most ive laughed at kitties in a while
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22:32.19Fiskerhey Stanzilla
22:32.31Stanzillahey Fisker
22:32.38Fiskerwhat now?
22:34.35Stanzillagimme money
22:34.51Fiskernope
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23:13.38airtonixpeanuts?
23:14.16airtonixhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3KBuQHHKx0
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23:16.16XuerianCairenn: Oh yeah, happy birthday again
23:17.15nicoli_swait its your birthday again? but i already said happy birthday!
23:21.23CairennXuerian, nicoli_s: hehehehehe
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23:34.50kd3|netbookたんじょうべおめでとう!
23:35.36kd3|netbooker, damn it. I shouldn't be on irc when I'm studying for japanese
23:35.39kd3|netbook"Happy birthday!"
23:36.07kd3|netbookthough I spelled 'tanjoubi' wrong there...
23:37.07NechcknWhy are you torturing yourself like that? hehehe
23:37.28NechcknVery awesome, though - how many years, now, kd3|netbook?
23:38.04kd3|netbooknot that long. this is my second semester of formally learning japanese
23:38.34kd3|netbookI've picked up some over the ~15 years of watching anime, most of which is turning out to be horridly wrong
23:38.37kd3|netbookbut it's a start, at least
23:38.47NechcknHeh, the fact you got through one year is an achievement.
23:39.22NechcknAre you learning in class or remotely?
23:40.15kd3|netbookin class. we've got a few native japanese students tutoring us through the げんき book
23:41.03kd3|netbookhttp://genki.japantimes.co.jp/index_en
23:42.02NechcknThat is really helpful when it is more than either one prof/asst. prof and then you trying to do it all alone.
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23:43.12NechcknGenki sounds so dirty =)
23:43.18kd3|netbookyup. we don't actually have a professor. just the tutors. finals are farmed out to a japanese professor at some nearby university who gives us 80% of our grade in a 15min interview
23:43.28kd3|netbookyou could translate it as "energetic, healthy"
23:44.28NechcknAhh.. that is rather an interesting way of doing it.  Ouch, you better be well rested for when that 15 minutes approaches!
23:44.53NechcknI shall not keep you from it, further!
23:44.57Nechckncracks the whip
23:45.39kd3|netbookmore like nerve-wracking... mine started like this: "Hi, so how old are you?" "Oh, it's 2011. Wait, wait, no. I'm 26"
23:45.53kd3|netbooksighs
23:46.02Nechcknhehehe
23:49.15kd3|netbookwait, wtf? harrison ford is going to be in Ender's Game?
23:49.26kd3|netbookhttp://www.variety.com/article/VR1118047827
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23:50.20Gnarfozwtf, harrison ford is still alive?
23:51.27NechcknFunny - I was going to note the 'if he was in Cowboys and Aliens, nearly anything is possible - as sort of noted in the first line of the story.
23:59.58amrothis bag is labelled baked potato chips, but this tastes like baked cardboard flakes

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