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| 00:27.33 | Arrowmaster | i put my hair down and took a Torhal ish picture of it |
| 00:28.25 | WobWork | what's a torhalish picture? |
| 00:28.39 | Arrowmaster | have you seen his profile pic on wowace? |
| 00:28.48 | WobWork | oh yes |
| 00:28.55 | WobWork | so link, then? |
| 00:29.01 | Arrowmaster | not yet |
| 00:29.26 | WobWork | needs more photoshop? =) |
| 00:29.29 | Arrowmaster | coming it back now |
| 00:29.32 | Arrowmaster | and yes |
| 00:30.24 | Kraps | meh |
| 00:30.45 | Kraps | Dagmar: ===#wowuidev Cannot send to channel |
| 00:32.24 | Kraps | "Welp, I guess that's it. You'll have to reroll based on your 2 hour, first day PTR experience." |
| 00:32.36 | Kraps | line of the week |
| 00:33.47 | Xyphoid | sounds familiar! |
| 00:33.58 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?sid=1&topicId=26725956458 |
| 00:34.26 | Jerub | i really do love how there are so many terms in wow that come from muds. |
| 00:34.58 | Xyphoid | i miss 'pk' |
| 00:35.18 | Adys | http://www.pastethat.com/media/files/2010/09/12/ownt.png |
| 00:35.19 | Adys | oh yeah. |
| 00:35.20 | Adys | baby. |
| 00:35.20 | WobWork | 'mobs' |
| 00:35.31 | Jerub | WobWork: 'tell' |
| 00:35.34 | WobWork | hehe |
| 00:35.42 | WobWork | except it's whisper now |
| 00:35.47 | Jerub | WobWork: yes, but 'PST' |
| 00:35.52 | WobWork | yeah |
| 00:36.05 | Xyphoid | the usage of 'pst' on wow is really strange |
| 00:36.09 | Xyphoid | 'pst me' |
| 00:36.17 | WobWork | Xyphoid: thus the comment |
| 00:36.32 | Jerub | 'reroll' was something that got me tho |
| 00:36.40 | Jerub | becasue on muds, you would actually roll stats |
| 00:36.46 | Jerub | and if you didn't like it, you rerolled. |
| 00:36.52 | Jerub | stats in wow are static |
| 00:37.24 | Jerub | oh, and *dance dance dance* i'm 11/12 icc now :D |
| 00:38.03 | WobWork | grats! |
| 00:38.07 | WobWork | how was sindy? |
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| 00:38.50 | Torhal | Jerub: weechat is decent and not as complex to set up as irssii |
| 00:39.05 | Xyphoid | i always wondered if the Forest's Edge zone in elwynn was a ref to the mud, i assume not |
| 00:40.11 | Adys | Fisker |
| 00:41.51 | amro | Adys |
| 00:42.00 | Adys | amro |
| 00:42.09 | Adys | are you masturbating while thinking of me yet? because you should be |
| 00:42.11 | Adys | http://www.pastethat.com/media/files/2010/09/12/ownt.png |
| 00:42.31 | amro | I'm not masturbating. although I am thinking of your sister |
| 00:42.42 | Adys | you know she's a dude right |
| 00:43.02 | amro | no, no |
| 00:43.04 | amro | is your sister. |
| 00:43.13 | Adys | no, I mean, her. |
| 00:50.10 | Kraps | why does java update every 3 days? |
| 00:50.53 | Adys | because that's how they roll in the ja-ja-ja-javazone |
| 00:53.50 | Kraps | 10 points to me for suspecting that my coffee cup had a hole and not caring enough to check, ending up with a well-coffeed shirt and undershirt |
| 01:05.07 | SqueeG | because they have a new virus out every 2.5 days? :p |
| 01:09.21 | Arrowmaster | this is so much fun |
| 01:09.56 | Arrowmaster | making fun of my mom because her hair is now two different colors from trying to dye it and she has a flight in the morning |
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| 01:13.14 | sylvanaar | looks like the who api has changed females are now 1 and males are 2 |
| 01:14.52 | Shirik | hm tekkub / jnwhiteh / anyone that uses git: Any idea what this actually means? |
| 01:14.54 | Shirik | 2010-09-12 20:23:47,705 [Test] [WARN] - Source control wrote output to stderr: From git+ssh://shiibot.com/var/git/ambassador/test e8201b8..eddf295 master -> origin/master |
| 01:15.30 | sylvanaar | em - females are 3 sorry |
| 01:15.45 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: how is that a WARN |
| 01:15.53 | Arrowmaster | looks like normal output of git fetch |
| 01:15.59 | Shirik | anything written to stderr is warn |
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| 01:16.14 | Arrowmaster | oh git has issues with writing to stderr |
| 01:16.20 | Arrowmaster | try a newer version |
| 01:16.40 | Shirik | I should be on the latest stable |
| 01:16.57 | Thunder_Child | i would like to know why it's $40 for a 16gb micro sdhc but $140 for a 32gb one |
| 01:16.59 | Arrowmaster | ok then the fixes might be in the git repo only and not released yet |
| 01:17.06 | Arrowmaster | if they have all even been fixed yet |
| 01:17.12 | Shirik | my issue is just that my build server seems to be failing to detect modifications |
| 01:17.19 | Shirik | I just can't identify why |
| 01:18.32 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: because 32GB in ONE CARD is 1.8 times as useful as 2 x 16 GB cards |
| 01:19.01 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: but thats a rather large jump in price |
| 01:19.16 | Thunder_Child | usually it's a 2x jump in price |
| 01:19.24 | Shirik | I tend to disagree |
| 01:19.30 | Shirik | I would rather several small cards |
| 01:19.47 | Thunder_Child | in a camera sure, not in a phone |
| 01:19.59 | Shirik | oh |
| 01:20.01 | alestane | In MicroSD, the miniturization and manufacturing technology jump may still be severe enough to actually restrict supply. |
| 01:20.16 | Adys | "A few bugs on our side will turn the OS into Windows, and not in a good way." -- Wine |
| 01:20.59 | Adys | Shirik: it means a branch was merged |
| 01:21.14 | Shirik | so it did pull in changes |
| 01:21.17 | Adys | ro renamed or whatever |
| 01:21.23 | Adys | yeah its not a warning |
| 01:21.30 | Shirik | well it's good info |
| 01:21.33 | Adys | it shouldnt be in stderr, ask a git dev why it is |
| 01:21.35 | Shirik | because that means it's pulling in the change |
| 01:21.48 | Shirik | the question really is, then, why is it not detecting modifications |
| 01:22.49 | Adys | tried rebasing? |
| 01:23.00 | Adys | git pull --rebase |
| 01:23.15 | WobWork | rebasing sounds so dirty =( |
| 01:23.39 | Shirik | what does that do? |
| 01:23.55 | Adys | it rebases your tree to origin |
| 01:24.02 | Adys | tbh it still confuses me too |
| 01:24.17 | WobWork | git is a confusing beast =) |
| 01:24.28 | Adys | it's not, until you reach branch management |
| 01:24.40 | WobWork | it totally is =P |
| 01:24.44 | Adys | nah |
| 01:24.47 | Adys | i used to be like that |
| 01:24.47 | WobWork | tis |
| 01:25.02 | Adys | but i totally cant live without git now |
| 01:25.06 | Shirik | woah |
| 01:25.07 | Adys | even for small projects |
| 01:25.09 | Shirik | I pissed it off |
| 01:25.11 | Adys | thanks to github |
| 01:25.21 | Shirik | refusing to pull with rebase: your working tree is not up-to-date |
| 01:25.22 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:25.23 | WobWork | hands Shirik a whip and chair |
| 01:25.37 | Shirik | and it listed a bunch of files as "needs update" |
| 01:25.48 | Shirik | does that mean it's not pulling, then? |
| 01:25.54 | Adys | it fetched the changes |
| 01:26.08 | Adys | it refuses to rebase them, it's likely afraid that you'll lose work |
| 01:26.20 | Adys | if you're sure you wont: git reset --hard origin; git pull --rebase |
| 01:26.27 | Shirik | this is just a buildserver |
| 01:26.31 | Shirik | there's no changes on it |
| 01:26.37 | Shirik | it should just be pulling from another server and then building |
| 01:26.40 | Adys | idk Im confused |
| 01:26.43 | Adys | Shadowed |
| 01:26.44 | Adys | help him |
| 01:26.46 | Adys | or i kill you |
| 01:26.47 | Shirik | me too ._. |
| 01:27.38 | Corrodias | kill him, or i'll help you |
| 01:28.25 | Adys | lol i love blizzard |
| 01:28.34 | Kraps | i like this http://keyboards-midi.musiciansfriend.com/product?sku=583084V |
| 01:29.14 | Adys | "Bloodied Arcanite Reaper", "Reforged Truesilver Champion", "Upgraded Dwarven Hand Cannon", "Sharpened Scarlet Kris", "Deprecated Unholy Avenger" |
| 01:29.24 | Shirik | woah |
| 01:29.26 | Shirik | what |
| 01:29.39 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/3687/deprecated-unholy-avenger/ |
| 01:29.48 | WobWork | Is there any 'Intro to Git' that couches all the terms in easy to understand analogies? |
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| 01:29.53 | WobWork | Cause there really needs to be |
| 01:29.57 | Shirik | Adys, maybe this is why it's confused? http://wowi.pastey.net/140580 |
| 01:30.06 | Adys | WobWork: http://learn.github.com/p/intro.html |
| 01:30.32 | Adys | Shirik: hmm |
| 01:30.58 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: git checkout master |
| 01:31.02 | Adys | yeah |
| 01:31.42 | Shirik | Your branch is behind 'origin/master' by 5 commits, and can be fast-forwarded. |
| 01:31.48 | Shirik | why is git so strange |
| 01:31.54 | Shirik | HEY |
| 01:31.57 | Shirik | it detected a change though |
| 01:32.04 | Arrowmaster | its not strange |
| 01:32.07 | Arrowmaster | you are just stupid |
| 01:32.11 | Adys | git pull origin/master ? |
| 01:33.48 | Shirik | let's see if it's actually caught up or not |
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| 01:37.22 | Shirik | btw, am I correct that I have to do "git add" every time I change a file? |
| 01:37.58 | Adys | Shirik: no |
| 01:38.18 | Adys | if you work on an untracked file, yes; otherwise you can use git commit -a |
| 01:38.26 | Adys | which will commit all changes to all modified files |
| 01:38.27 | kd3 | git add is only when you save a new file to disk. it'll keep track of changes otherwise |
| 01:38.42 | Shirik | git status seems to say I should add |
| 01:38.53 | Adys | "git add" adds the file to staging |
| 01:39.06 | Shirik | also, the "git checkout" seems to have fixed the problem |
| 01:39.08 | Adys | git commit -a implies "add everything to staging and then commit" |
| 01:39.10 | Shirik | build server seems to be picking up changes now |
| 01:39.28 | Shirik | so <3 Arrowmaster / Adys |
| 01:39.30 | Adys | so you can do "git commit -am 'Add a penis to my avatar'" |
| 01:40.11 | Adys | git status will tell you the status of what's staged, modified and untracked |
| 01:40.29 | Adys | staged => nothing needed; modified => -a or add needed; untracked => add needed |
| 01:40.34 | Adys | if that helps |
| 01:41.19 | Thunder_Child | TMI Adys, we dont want to know why your avitar has no penis |
| 01:41.31 | Thunder_Child | s/why/that/ |
| 01:41.43 | A-KO | damn, one pays a price premium for high efficiency power supplies |
| 01:41.45 | Arrowmaster | damn this was at only $13k earlier today http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/Musopen/record-and-release-free-music-without-copyrights |
| 01:41.49 | Shirik | so I do have to add it to staging before committing |
| 01:41.53 | Shirik | but -a will do that for me |
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| 01:42.51 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 01:42.56 | Adys | Shirik: aye |
| 01:43.05 | Adys | staging is sweet btw |
| 01:43.38 | Adys | modify foo.txt; git add foo.txt; modify some more; git commit |
| 01:43.46 | Adys | doesnt commit your further changes |
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| 01:54.06 | Shirik | ok I take it back |
| 01:54.07 | Shirik | it's not fixed |
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| 01:59.40 | SqueeG | any one else see the price for the online blizzcon feed? |
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| 02:04.27 | Kraps | 40 dollars? |
| 02:04.48 | WobWork | love you long time? |
| 02:08.37 | Thunder_Child | or so |
| 02:14.19 | Kraps | no WobWork, love YOU long time |
| 02:17.13 | SqueeG | kraps: yea |
| 02:17.20 | SqueeG | 40 bucks seems a bit much for a..... feed |
| 02:17.24 | SqueeG | oh, and a pet |
| 02:17.26 | SqueeG | -.- |
| 02:17.48 | Dagmar | I'll wait for the DVD |
| 02:19.06 | Kraps | SqueeG: 4 streams |
| 02:19.15 | Kraps | Dagmar: is there a dvd? |
| 02:19.24 | SqueeG | oh boy, that makes it so much better :p |
| 02:19.41 | Kraps | FOUR! |
| 02:20.00 | SqueeG | holy cow! i need three more heads! |
| 02:20.16 | SqueeG | and they all need to be retarded |
| 02:20.32 | Kraps | its like, 4 times more than last year |
| 02:20.36 | SqueeG | =p |
| 02:20.45 | SqueeG | and it's still just WATCHING other people have a good time |
| 02:20.46 | SqueeG | oh boy |
| 02:20.51 | Kraps | i think i will get it |
| 02:20.51 | SqueeG | AND for 40 bucks |
| 02:21.01 | Kraps | i got it last year |
| 02:21.05 | SqueeG | If it was lower I'd do it just for the pet |
| 02:21.09 | SqueeG | that murloc looks pretty BA |
| 02:21.28 | Kraps | and they cut off in the middle of one of the contests |
| 02:21.43 | SqueeG | nice |
| 02:27.52 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: i dont think there is a dvd, except in the CE |
| 02:28.35 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: dagmar was talking about a dvd of blizzcon |
| 02:28.53 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: so was i |
| 02:29.19 | Kraps | huh how come ive never heard of that |
| 02:30.31 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: well it's not the whole thing, it's cips |
| 02:30.35 | Thunder_Child | clips* |
| 02:31.31 | Thunder_Child | though i wish they did sell copies of them |
| 02:45.10 | kd3 | wanna see something horrifying? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_d-gs0WoUw |
| 02:49.08 | Motig | why is it horrifying |
| 02:49.40 | kd3 | any of those red dots hit the blue one, it's game over |
| 02:50.08 | Motig | well |
| 02:50.13 | Motig | first of all I see no blue one |
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| 02:56.50 | tem | What event happens when a unitid changes guids? |
| 02:57.16 | kd3 | it... shouldn't? |
| 02:57.35 | kd3 | or you mean like raid1target changes to another unit? |
| 02:57.36 | tem | if I change targets |
| 02:57.38 | kd3 | oh |
| 02:57.43 | tem | then target is a different unitid |
| 02:57.46 | tem | er |
| 02:57.48 | tem | different guid |
| 02:59.21 | kd3 | unit_target? |
| 02:59.56 | tem | well |
| 03:00.03 | tem | I need something more generic |
| 03:00.16 | tem | that will work for any unitid |
| 03:01.06 | tem | maybe when the name is updated |
| 03:01.12 | tem | can't remember the event for that |
| 03:01.20 | kd3 | unit_name_update? |
| 03:01.31 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/Unit_Info |
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| 03:10.35 | Kraps | http://www.gamespot.com/greatest-video-game-villain/index.html?tag=content_nav%3Bblog |
| 03:13.19 | Kraps | why is vader even in there? |
| 03:13.24 | kd3 | whee... igor's a cat 5 |
| 03:16.46 | TC-Away | Kraps: no, why is Carmen Sandiego even in there |
| 03:17.48 | Thunder_Child | and Akuma should never have beaten LeChuck |
| 03:19.24 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: i was gonna say that CS was in more games but i guess i was wrong |
| 03:19.38 | Shirik | ok |
| 03:19.42 | Shirik | this isn't making any sense at all |
| 03:19.51 | Shirik | If I make the change, the build server picks it up |
| 03:19.54 | Shirik | if someone else does, it doesn't detect it |
| 03:19.57 | Xyphoid | arthas, 'The first death knight of Azeroth.' wut |
| 03:23.26 | Dagmar | Buncha regicidal maniacs... |
| 03:27.04 | Kraps | the joker is also eh |
| 03:29.45 | Kraps | if they did greatest villain in any media i would pick him |
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| 03:38.37 | Shirik | Adys |
| 03:38.50 | Shirik | When I pull in someone else's changes, I don't do anything more than "git pull" right? |
| 03:38.53 | Shirik | or is there something more? |
| 03:38.56 | Shirik | do I have to merge? |
| 03:41.02 | Iriel | You shouldn't need to |
| 03:41.13 | Iriel | Assuming they were on the same branch as you |
| 03:41.16 | Shirik | This is so weird |
| 03:41.21 | Shirik | It only picks up changes from my computer |
| 03:41.42 | Shirik | It won't pick up my roommate's changes, but I can see them when I do a pull myself |
| 03:41.58 | Shirik | and I tried using my email/name on his computer, still not picked up by the build server |
| 03:44.49 | Jerub | # Durability: cloth, leather, and mail now have as many points of durability as plate, making the repair cost on death much closer to equal for all classes. |
| 03:44.56 | Jerub | that's interesting, didn't hear that was coming |
| 03:45.15 | Jerub | multiple red pieces the other day cost me 52g on my druid the other day :) |
| 03:47.11 | Jerub | !! flying is 250g? |
| 03:49.42 | Jerub | i guess it's 250g + price of xpack |
| 03:55.33 | Kraps | first time im seeing the gold selling midair art |
| 03:56.45 | kd3 | call it out in /2. someone's got a piccolo which can be used to have some fun |
| 04:01.09 | WobWork | or train set |
| 04:02.16 | Jerub | Kraps: it's been 100% constant on my server. |
| 04:02.45 | Jerub | hey, so whta's the deal with loot ninjas? what are the repercussions for people ninja'ing loot in raids these days? |
| 04:03.32 | Kraps | depends on what was or wasnt agreed to before starting |
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| 04:04.10 | Jerub | Kraps: MS>OS, 1 trinket reserved (DBW). |
| 04:04.25 | Xyphoid | i have been told GMs will reallocate loot if pug leaders break the loot rules they have specified in advance - haven't seen it in practice though |
| 04:04.26 | Kraps | if nothing specific was said, i think the master looter can get away with anything |
| 04:05.24 | Jerub | i'm not sure how explicitly it was stated. |
| 04:06.29 | Jerub | they (5 people from same guild) were practiclaly gentlemen about it. we did 4/12, DBW didn't drop, their paladin swapped to their mage, we did rotface, they rolled on all loot fairly and properly until the last item (dislodged foreign object) |
| 04:06.49 | Jerub | they looted that to their mage, then all guildmembers immediately dropped from the raid. |
| 04:07.03 | Jerub | they could've ninja'd everything from last boss but didn't :P |
| 04:07.31 | Xyphoid | try a ticket anyway |
| 04:07.43 | Xyphoid | gms can read the raid chat |
| 04:08.00 | Kraps | cogwheel: did grounding totem do naxx? |
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| 04:08.44 | Jerub | Xyphoid: yeah, i filed a ticket. |
| 04:09.02 | Jerub | it was 'escalated' within a few hours, but it's been in that state fro 3 days |
| 04:09.11 | Jerub | i'm guessing it was waiting for the american work week to start ;) |
| 04:09.25 | Kraps | http://twitter.com/BlizzardCS/status/24285528580 |
| 04:09.47 | cogwheel | Kraps: i know i didn't start raiding until icc was already out... The guild wasn't particularly active before that |
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| 04:10.41 | cog|sleep | mmm nyquil |
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| 04:11.05 | Shirik | I guess this is the part that realy bothers me |
| 04:11.07 | Shirik | C:\Users\Administrator\BuildService\Repo\test>git status |
| 04:11.07 | Shirik | # Not currently on any branch. |
| 04:11.09 | Shirik | how is that even possible |
| 04:14.42 | Jerub | Kraps: is that a new twitter account? |
| 04:14.55 | Jerub | makes his wow twitter account follow it |
| 04:15.05 | Kraps | a week or 2 |
| 04:16.04 | Jerub | nice |
| 04:16.14 | Jerub | is that saying that 'escalated' tickets take longer to resolve? |
| 04:19.23 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crfrKqFp0Zg&feature=channel |
| 04:20.47 | Jerub | Kraps: what's that? |
| 04:21.11 | Kraps | the title is "beatboxing flute super mario brothers theme" |
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| 04:25.12 | Jerub | oh, seen it. |
| 04:26.45 | WobWork | we need that batbot trigger |
| 04:27.02 | WobWork | that posts the title of whatever youtube link gets linked |
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| 04:30.07 | Kraps | does youtube know that you can skip ads by reloading the page? |
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| 04:41.16 | Arrowmaster | Kraps: what youtube ads? |
| 04:41.23 | Arrowmaster | you dont even see them with adblock plus |
| 04:41.53 | Kraps | Arrowmaster: even the ones in the videos? |
| 04:41.58 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 04:42.16 | Arrowmaster | same used to be true for hulu |
| 04:42.35 | Arrowmaster | but i havent been able to use hulu since i switched to linux so i dont know if its still true |
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| 04:43.36 | Arrowmaster | i think im going to goto sleep early |
| 04:43.38 | Kraps | i dont use adblock because i heard it hurts websites' revenue |
| 04:43.55 | Thunder_Child | oh yes, i like todays xkcd |
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| 04:45.59 | Arrowmaster | reason why single signon needs to catch on |
| 04:46.05 | Arrowmaster | and not fucking facebook crap |
| 04:46.20 | Thunder_Child | lol http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/09/340x_secretbehindnewnanon.jpg |
| 04:46.26 | Dagmar | SSO does not work between separate OUs |
| 04:46.36 | bluspacecow | *bats torhal's hair like a kitty* |
| 04:47.33 | sylvanaar | dammit i cant sleep |
| 04:47.53 | sylvanaar | 3 sleeping pills later |
| 04:47.56 | sylvanaar | this sucks |
| 04:48.02 | kd3 | clue-by-four to the head? |
| 04:49.19 | Jerub | okay, that's awesome |
| 04:51.47 | sylvanaar | what is |
| 04:52.47 | Jerub | the xkcd |
| 04:54.46 | haste | yy |
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| 05:03.24 | Kraps | man the bieber hate is insane |
| 05:04.02 | Dagmar | You haven't heard him sing yet |
| 05:04.58 | Kraps | i have |
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| 05:08.39 | WobWork | it was probably an autotuner you heard =P |
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| 05:10.25 | Kraps | look, just dont listen if you dont like it |
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| 05:11.39 | Kraps | man i sound like a nerd |
| 05:12.59 | Kraps | what i mean is, why waste energy actively hating something if you can just ignore it? |
| 05:13.31 | Kraps | otoh, the fray makes my blood boil :/ |
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| 05:26.36 | Amarande | goddammit why does no one queue for reg HoR anymore |
| 05:26.45 | Amarande | we just had a group break up because we couldn't get a replacement DPS |
| 05:26.45 | Amarande | DPS! |
| 05:26.50 | Amarande | DPS are ALWAYS queuing, wtf? |
| 05:27.20 | Amarande | or has the announcement of 4.0.1 on PTR really quelled anyone's desire to gear new 80s, especially caster DPS? |
| 05:27.38 | Xyphoid | i can't remember the last time i queued for a regular dungeon as an 80 |
| 05:27.44 | Amarande | since it seems caster DPS are going to be utterly screwed by that patch |
| 05:27.51 | Amarande | Xyphoid: not even ICC5's for the 219 stuff? |
| 05:28.00 | Amarande | as for why 4.0.1 screws casters: Spirit. |
| 05:28.19 | Amarande | Right now, some caster DPS builds (aff locks especially) benefit pretty heavily from spirit |
| 05:28.30 | Amarande | come 4.0.1, we're going to have our gear wrenched around so we suck utterly |
| 05:28.32 | Xyphoid | you're just making this up |
| 05:28.52 | Amarande | Xyphoid: the warlock tier gear has spirit on it ... and aff uses it more than other builds because of GOLT |
| 05:29.18 | Amarande | 4.0.1, we're going to be stuck with all that spirit that suddenly does nothing |
| 05:29.39 | Amarande | I wonder if it IS wise actually now for new 80s to wait for cata rather than try to do anything :| |
| 05:29.58 | Amarande | like I said, lest you gear up and then everything rebalances out from under you and all those badges were in vain |
| 05:30.12 | Dagmar | If you don't think the game is fun, then no you shoudln't play. |
| 05:30.14 | Xyphoid | clearly, that spirit will make you suck |
| 05:30.26 | Xyphoid | i hear 4.0 will actually make you do less damage the more spirit you have |
| 05:30.30 | Amarande | anyway, I'm trying to get the hat from reg HoR, so I can save my triumphs for the fourth piece of T9 |
| 05:30.47 | Amarande | since 4PT9 is basically complete <3 for affliction |
| 05:31.14 | Amarande | and now I have to go through the spirit waves again because people bailed |
| 05:31.23 | Amarande | why don't they make it so you can rebuild the group from just one person in a dungeon in progress? |
| 05:31.30 | Amarande | instead they just consider it disbanded and make you do it anew |
| 05:31.43 | Amarande | I hate the spirit waves with a passion |
| 05:31.48 | Amarande | no good loot from them on reg for me anymore |
| 05:31.57 | Amarande | AND I can't AoE them much anymore because the tanks don't hold threat |
| 05:32.15 | Xyphoid | you seem to have this thing where you assume the worst possible interpretation of any scrap of information out of thebeta |
| 05:32.45 | Dagmar | eeeeeemo. |
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| 05:33.58 | Jerub | i got my mage into icc25 yesterday. was happy about that. |
| 05:34.01 | Jerub | he's totally scrub geared. |
| 05:35.46 | Xyphoid | also, what, queuing for a particular hat because you're saving for 4t9? did you consider the t9 hat? |
| 05:40.16 | Amarande | Xyphoid: you should never buy the t9 hat |
| 05:40.23 | Amarande | if you're going to buy a hat with triumph get the 245 |
| 05:41.18 | Jerub | the 245 hat is probably best |
| 05:41.25 | Amarande | Jerub: yeah, but that's 75 more badges in the future |
| 05:41.30 | Amarande | the next 50 HAVE to go to the T9 robe |
| 05:41.34 | Jerub | but grabbing a 251 hat from icc10 is of course preferred |
| 05:41.35 | Amarande | because it's STUPID not to have 4pt9 on aff |
| 05:41.36 | Jerub | :P |
| 05:41.56 | Amarande | 4pt9 is +10% flat DPS to both corruption and UA |
| 05:42.22 | Amarande | c'mon WoW LOAD BACK IN FASTER BEFORE THEY KICK ME |
| 05:42.31 | Amarande | wtf is with all the DC's this week anyway, from everyone in general |
| 05:43.02 | Xyphoid | i have bought the t9 hat a lot |
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| 05:43.52 | Jerub | these days you're probably better off with 264 legs hey? |
| 05:44.01 | Jerub | that's a huge boost over 232 stuff |
| 05:44.18 | Jerub | does anyone here know anything about gear comparisons on wowhead? |
| 05:44.18 | Xyphoid | yeah, or the 245 chest is cheap as chips |
| 05:44.38 | Jerub | yeah, 264 legs, 245 chest |
| 05:52.38 | Amarande | Jerub: like I said, I'm not sure exactly what you need to be an upgrade over 4pt9 on Affliction |
| 05:52.42 | Amarande | Destro, I'd agree |
| 05:52.55 | Amarande | but seeing as TWO of aff's mainstays get a full-on 10% bonus from 4pt9 I'm not sure even T10 is better |
| 05:53.12 | Jerub | it looks like wowhead when doing item comparisons doesn't implement weightings for different slots. |
| 05:53.38 | Jerub | a bear and a warrior get the same benefits for trinkets, but it says bears should go for +stam trinkets over anything else, and warriors should get armor+dodge trinkets. |
| 05:54.29 | Amarande | and as for the worst thing out of the beta thing |
| 05:54.33 | Amarande | remember, in 2.0.1 and 3.0.2 |
| 05:54.56 | Amarande | for the most part, we just either got more stats to deal with or generally the same stats stayed useful |
| 05:55.16 | Amarande | 4.0.1 is practically a paradigm shift, otoh |
| 05:55.35 | Amarande | which means it *is* very hard to tell whether gear that's good now is going to be at all good when the next patch hits (and it's already on PTR) |
| 05:56.00 | Amarande | at least when it comes to single-piece gear, I imagine Tier sets will be properly rebalanced or they'd catch hell from all the big raid guilds |
| 05:56.10 | Fisker | Amarande |
| 05:56.12 | Fisker | i will destroy you |
| 05:56.13 | Fisker | for free |
| 05:57.32 | Corrodias | eh, who cares about the old gear |
| 05:57.37 | Corrodias | new expansion, new stuff! |
| 05:57.59 | Corrodias | raiders get off your ass and earn new shinies! |
| 05:58.47 | Amarande | Corrodias: we have to live with the old gear for a month or so usually before the new expansion comes out and lets us level and get the new stuff |
| 05:59.15 | Amarande | though I don't know how much successful raiding will be done in 4.0.1 |
| 05:59.30 | Amarande | PTR/beta folks: are WotLK raid bosses nerfed the way BC ones were just prior to LK? |
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| 06:01.39 | Corrodias | oh, wow, they're putting out the new version before the expansion itself? |
| 06:02.20 | Amarande | Corrodias: they always have |
| 06:02.25 | Amarande | we got 3.0.2 about a month before LK |
| 06:02.32 | Amarande | and 2.0.1 was a few weeks before BC went live, no? |
| 06:02.52 | Amarande | anyway, the main reason I don't know how much successful raiding will be done in 4.0.1 |
| 06:03.01 | Amarande | is because 4.0.1 apparently is to have the new stat and talent paradigms if I'm not mistaken |
| 06:03.03 | Corrodias | i don't really remember. that was years ago. |
| 06:03.11 | Amarande | it'll probably be too much to digest except for the likes of Ensidia and Fusion and EJ |
| 06:03.18 | Amarande | in the time people will have before Cata hits |
| 06:04.02 | Amarande | of course, Ensidia and EJ will be downing LK25H on the new stat paradigm the first week without blinking, I imagine heh |
| 06:04.26 | Jerub | well, at this point no fight in icc is a gearcheck. |
| 06:04.33 | Jerub | it's all trivial if you can dance properly. |
| 06:04.39 | Dagmar | Let's see you do them in greens. |
| 06:04.48 | Dagmar | ...or even ilvl200's |
| 06:04.52 | Zhinjio | damnit, where's Torhal when you need him. |
| 06:04.52 | Amarande | Jerub: yes, and some dances are fun and some suck :) |
| 06:05.07 | Amarande | like I said last night ... I love the Blood Princes fight, and hate Sindragosa with a passion |
| 06:05.34 | Amarande | Rotface = fun. Lana'thel = used to hate it, but got used to it and now it's fun, besides, if part of your raid screws it up? it's a hell of a lot shorter than Sindragosa at least |
| 06:05.44 | Amarande | PP = annoying. |
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| 06:06.01 | Amarande | Deathwhisper = fun. |
| 06:06.09 | Jerub | we 1shot sindy |
| 06:06.10 | Jerub | last night |
| 06:06.22 | Amarande | Deathbringer = ehh, I'm a DPS DK on 10's. It's practically Patchwerk for me. |
| 06:06.27 | Jerub | the problem with sindy is the trash |
| 06:06.45 | WobWork | ugh |
| 06:06.54 | WobWork | did a 25 Saurfang |
| 06:06.55 | Jerub | it just KEEPS COMING |
| 06:07.03 | WobWork | we had about 8 marks |
| 06:07.07 | Amarande | actually, Saurfang's pretty much a Patchwerk for MDPS in general :P |
| 06:07.11 | Jerub | WobWork: wow. i've never seen that many :/ |
| 06:07.16 | WobWork | dear god. so. much. healing |
| 06:07.21 | WobWork | we were melee heavy |
| 06:07.23 | WobWork | or rather |
| 06:07.24 | Jerub | WobWork: i solohealed 4 marks once. |
| 06:07.26 | WobWork | we were stupid melee heavy |
| 06:07.41 | WobWork | they didn't quite grasp the fact to NOT AOE WHEN THE BEASTS APPEAR |
| 06:07.42 | Amarande | I'm starting to think these two guys in Sholazar Basin are bots |
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| 06:07.56 | Amarande | EVERY TIME I go out here lately they're there, this draenei DK and this belf DK |
| 06:08.05 | Amarande | and they're always landing on the saronite nodes at like ... *exactly the same time* |
| 06:08.06 | Dagmar | So report 'em |
| 06:08.10 | WobWork | ^ |
| 06:08.17 | Amarande | Dagmar: I can't be SURE they're bots |
| 06:08.18 | Dagmar | If you think they're bots, they probably are bots |
| 06:08.22 | WobWork | so what? |
| 06:08.27 | Amarande | maybe the Draenei |
| 06:08.27 | WobWork | report them anyway |
| 06:08.32 | Amarande | but the belf has Champion of the Frozen Wastes |
| 06:08.33 | Dagmar | The GMs will be able to look at logs and see if they've been say, playing 100 hours straight |
| 06:08.45 | Dagmar | Amarande: That doesn't mean they don't bot |
| 06:08.49 | WobWork | Amarande: isn't that "I've done all heroics"? |
| 06:09.31 | Amarande | WobWork: all t7 heroics + maly + sarth + kel |
| 06:09.52 | WobWork | which isn't hard |
| 06:09.55 | Amarande | besides, then I'd have to be careful not to get accused of botting myself :P |
| 06:10.08 | WobWork | it's fairly obvious if you are or you're not |
| 06:10.09 | Amarande | seeing as I have an almost complete gatherer database for sholazar saronite lately so *I* know exactly where to look too ... |
| 06:10.17 | WobWork | in any case |
| 06:10.20 | WobWork | report them |
| 06:10.24 | WobWork | if they're not, they're not |
| 06:10.30 | WobWork | if they are, you've reported them and they stop |
| 06:10.30 | Amarande | will if I see them again |
| 06:10.33 | Amarande | I can't remember the draenei's name |
| 06:10.47 | Amarande | and most of the "evidence" for botting is that they're both landing on the same spots at the same time |
| 06:11.47 | Dagmar | If they're botting they'll likely be doing it for hours upon hours |
| 06:14.21 | Shirik | I think I have broken the world |
| 06:16.44 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, this one DK seems to be here every time |
| 06:16.45 | Amarande | however |
| 06:16.49 | Amarande | that's no indication ... so am I lately |
| 06:17.02 | Amarande | since this is pretty much what I do while I'm in dungeon queue |
| 06:17.16 | unfo- | Amarande, btw what is the complete name of the gear scoring addon "EG" you mentioned a few weeks ago? |
| 06:17.18 | Amarande | and I'm usually more concerned with outcompeting the belf for saronite than I am about anything else :S |
| 06:17.21 | Amarande | unfo: elitistgroup |
| 06:17.25 | unfo- | Amarande, ty |
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| 06:17.42 | Amarande | From what I'm seeing, we're both mostly flying around the edge of Sholazar on a counterclockwise circuit |
| 06:17.56 | Amarande | however, usually the moment I spot the belf now, I change my bearing leftwards so as to cut her off |
| 06:18.00 | Amarande | and get to the forward nodes before she can |
| 06:18.21 | Amarande | we're both on 280's so if I'm behind her I will NEVER catch up otherwise |
| 06:18.44 | Amarande | ok, I'm starting to see the reg HoR issue |
| 06:18.48 | Amarande | it's not tanks or dps that are usually lacking |
| 06:18.52 | Amarande | it's that no one seems to want to heal it :S |
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| 06:19.09 | Amarande | in fact, basically EVERY tank does reg HoR at least as much as I've been doing it on my lock now |
| 06:19.11 | Jerub | i don't think any good healer gear drops there |
| 06:19.21 | Jerub | but tanks need the shield from the second boss |
| 06:19.30 | Jerub | i farmed it for a week |
| 06:19.35 | Amarande | Jerub: yeah, I've already marked someone for death over that, basically |
| 06:19.46 | Jerub | oh? |
| 06:19.51 | Jerub | because he quit afte rit dropped? |
| 06:19.52 | unfo- | Amarande, i hate HoR as healer |
| 06:19.52 | Amarande | I literally flat out told the group I was in after the 2nd boss, when this one warrior left (this had been the second time he left after 2nd boss tonight) |
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| 06:20.11 | Amarande | "if you see that guy, kick him as soon as you can, he'll bail every time after marwyn" |
| 06:20.22 | Jerub | you know you can't get him as a random anymore if you /ignore him |
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| 06:21.03 | Amarande | and the sucky thing for me is that the item I'm after drops from the lich king escape chest |
| 06:21.19 | the-golem | *wave* |
| 06:21.24 | Amarande | at least icc5 normal drops badges though |
| 06:21.35 | Zhinjio | ran HoR three times tonight. once as healer, twice as dps. no drops. *cry* |
| 06:21.46 | Jerub | Zhinjio: norm or heroic? |
| 06:21.49 | Zhinjio | heroic |
| 06:21.50 | Jerub | i did heroic hor this morning on my bear |
| 06:21.58 | Jerub | on random |
| 06:22.05 | Jerub | first time i'v enot bailed because the healer has been crap |
| 06:22.16 | Zhinjio | its really hard on healers |
| 06:22.21 | Zhinjio | especially pally (me) |
| 06:22.22 | Zhinjio | ugh |
| 06:22.22 | Jerub | ... i won't stay unless healer is in T9+ |
| 06:22.33 | Jerub | most healers say, "uh oh, i'm not geared for this" if they get it on random too |
| 06:22.45 | Zhinjio | well, I can get through it, but its hard |
| 06:22.56 | Jerub | yeah. |
| 06:22.59 | unfo- | my priest hasn't returned the quest in PoS ==> I can't get HoR :) |
| 06:23.06 | unfo- | even tho' i am in t9+ |
| 06:23.09 | Xyphoid | i hate healing it in the alcove |
| 06:23.18 | Jerub | my bear is a bit of a breeze to heal in there, but the healer has to keep the party alive if i lose agro, |
| 06:23.27 | Elkano | I even had to heal HoR as Moonkin once since our healer disconnected during the waves and the replacement didn't get through the doors... |
| 06:23.32 | Jerub | i had a legendary rogue today. really helped he stunlocked one caster while i took down the other. |
| 06:23.46 | Jerub | unfo-: is that intentional? :P |
| 06:23.51 | unfo- | Jerub, yes! |
| 06:23.53 | unfo- | most definitely |
| 06:23.55 | Jerub | smart :) |
| 06:23.58 | Xyphoid | love it when people CC in there though |
| 06:24.05 | unfo- | Jerub, also! Wooot -- people using CC in LK?! |
| 06:24.05 | Jerub | Xyphoid: yeah. |
| 06:24.11 | Jerub | i do norm hor in the open on my warroir |
| 06:24.15 | Xyphoid | i did it with a shadowpriest and two moonkin once and it was delicious |
| 06:24.17 | Jerub | i haven't done heroic on him yet. |
| 06:24.18 | unfo- | Jerub, that's nigh unheard of where i play >_> |
| 06:24.40 | Jerub | unfo-: i kindly ask the dk to DG sometimes. |
| 06:24.48 | unfo- | always just "I WANNA MAX DPS AOE NAU! *BOOOOOM*" - "you idiot, cc that mob" - "NO! *PEWPEW*" |
| 06:24.54 | Jerub | but if i get a rogue who saps, magae who sheeps, etc, i'm in love |
| 06:25.04 | Xyphoid | it was amazing, root root shackle every pull |
| 06:25.11 | Xyphoid | and another shackle from my healer sometimes |
| 06:25.17 | Shirik | tekkub: ping |
| 06:25.19 | Zhinjio | thats my current gear. Not sure how that compares to your standard for HoR |
| 06:25.20 | Zhinjio | http://bit.ly/agNdrf |
| 06:25.22 | unfo- | Jerub, aye. but my stance is that all pugs are full of fail from the get go ==> no pugs |
| 06:25.22 | Jerub | speaking of CC |
| 06:25.35 | Jerub | was in ICC10, doing H:LDW |
| 06:25.48 | Jerub | we realised as we started it, that the only CC was the two resto druids |
| 06:25.58 | Jerub | missing a cyclone when the rogue gets MC is uh. bad. |
| 06:26.02 | unfo- | Zhinjio, have you thought of switching int to haste btw? I was thinking this on my holydin last night |
| 06:26.38 | Zhinjio | no, hadn't thought of that. Its not a bad thought. I mean, I wouldn't want to overdo it |
| 06:26.45 | Jerub | http://quickarmory.com/?n=brandi&r=Dath%27Remar <-my current gear |
| 06:26.45 | Zhinjio | but switching some might be a good idea |
| 06:26.49 | unfo- | no not a complete overhaul |
| 06:27.09 | Jerub | Zhinjio: that's perfectly fine for hor. |
| 06:27.39 | Amarande | reported them. |
| 06:27.39 | Zhinjio | oooo |
| 06:27.42 | Zhinjio | IO like that site |
| 06:27.44 | Zhinjio | drools |
| 06:27.47 | Amarande | almost certain the belf is a bot now too |
| 06:27.57 | Amarande | she landed right on me even though I had already gotten the ore from that one node |
| 06:28.02 | unfo- | Zhinjio, http://www.wow-heroes.com/index.php?zone=eu&server=Hellfire&name=Walontuoja |
| 06:28.04 | Amarande | and didn't respond when I asked her something |
| 06:28.11 | Amarande | (namely whether she thought the draenei was a bot) |
| 06:28.49 | Amarande | HoR makes me wonder about casters in Cata though |
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| 06:28.58 | Amarande | Is ICC5 the last dance for AoE casters outside of raiding? |
| 06:29.20 | Zhinjio | man, I like that. |
| 06:29.21 | Amarande | Tanks can barely hold aggro on the spirit waves half the time as it is, and I'm told it's getting a hell of a lot tighter in Cata |
| 06:29.28 | unfo- | last dance? i don't understand this meaning |
| 06:29.30 | Zhinjio | you can see where I started to gear up on the little mini-calendar thinger |
| 06:29.35 | Xyphoid | if 'aoe casters' are people who just aoe all instance, i hope so |
| 06:29.54 | Amarande | Xyphoid: I mean, will there be the ability to AoE on trash pulls at all, except on designated "wimpy trash"? |
| 06:29.56 | Xyphoid | but there is a stated intention to get away from that, isn't there? |
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| 06:30.13 | Amarande | so basically, I should be glad to have gone back to aff then :) |
| 06:30.21 | Amarande | and have chosen frost dps instead of unholy |
| 06:31.00 | unfo- | ah.. well imho this whole LK heroic mechanic is totally absurd from what i was used to in tbc |
| 06:31.21 | unfo- | i mean in bc you had to cc and know your game at least a bit... now you just 9/10 times just hit AOE PEW PEW |
| 06:31.26 | Xyphoid | aoeing on the HoR spirit waves is for stupids anyway |
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| 06:36.37 | Zhinjio | I just keep my face into the wall, and heal my fucking ass off, basically |
| 06:36.38 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 06:37.48 | Amarande | GM responded already :) |
| 06:39.18 | Jerub | Amarande: what did you file a ticket about? |
| 06:39.22 | Amarande | Jerub: Bots |
| 06:39.26 | Jerub | oh right |
| 06:40.15 | Zhinjio | Jerub: thanks for pointing out that site. I didn't know about that one |
| 06:40.21 | Jerub | what? quickarmory? |
| 06:40.29 | Jerub | yeah, i used it for a long time before ElitistArmory came about |
| 06:40.41 | Jerub | and then Shadowed brought down EA so i'm back to QA |
| 06:41.33 | Zhinjio | nods. |
| 06:41.35 | Zhinjio | dig it |
| 06:42.02 | Jerub | i am *loving* my new mace. |
| 06:42.32 | Jerub | it's the same ilvl as my battered hilt mace was, but results in 1k hp more |
| 06:42.56 | Jerub | what's H VDW like? :) |
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| 06:44.04 | Zhinjio | i just got the battered hilt sword for my ret gear. what a great little quest line |
| 06:45.52 | Jerub | you have to do washing :( |
| 06:45.57 | Jerub | Zhinjio: are you horde or alli? |
| 06:46.01 | Zhinjio | alliance |
| 06:46.24 | Zhinjio | I have a smattering of horde toons, but never played higher than about level 50 or so |
| 06:46.25 | Jerub | Zhinjio: when i did it the built in quest helper system told me all the alliance handin points. |
| 06:46.33 | Zhinjio | HA. nice |
| 06:46.43 | Zhinjio | thats pretty classy |
| 06:46.44 | WobWork | I CC in HoR as the healer =P |
| 06:46.56 | WobWork | it sure saves -me- mana |
| 06:47.05 | Zhinjio | wait, are the waves undead? |
| 06:47.09 | WobWork | yes |
| 06:47.11 | Zhinjio | or just the dudes in the .... OMG |
| 06:47.15 | Zhinjio | har. |
| 06:47.19 | Zhinjio | ok, that changes things a bit |
| 06:47.30 | Zhinjio | at least I can toss in a stun for a couple seconds per wave |
| 06:47.34 | Zhinjio | that'll help a little |
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| 06:47.49 | Jerub | i found that with my shammy |
| 06:47.51 | WobWork | Zhinjio: as long as you don't pull aggro =) |
| 06:47.56 | Zhinjio | of course |
| 06:47.59 | Jerub | if i stunned casters, i didn't have to heal |
| 06:48.08 | Jerub | and heals cost 2+ seconds to cast, stuns were instant. |
| 06:48.12 | Jerub | :P |
| 06:48.14 | WobWork | how do you stun as a shammy? |
| 06:48.20 | Jerub | WobWork: uh, interrupt. |
| 06:48.21 | Jerub | 'wind shear' |
| 06:48.22 | WobWork | oh |
| 06:48.24 | WobWork | yeah |
| 06:48.41 | WobWork | it's nice that your interrupt doesn't gain aggro =P |
| 06:48.51 | Jerub | yeah, it lowers agro |
| 06:48.52 | Jerub | ;) |
| 06:49.14 | Jerub | so when my healing draws agro from the caster, i interrupt and kill two birds with 1 stone |
| 06:50.01 | WobWork | I kinda miss healing on my shammy |
| 06:50.07 | WobWork | actually.. do I? |
| 06:50.14 | WobWork | brain heal ftw |
| 06:50.16 | Jerub | WobWork: i'm enjoying levelling him |
| 06:50.20 | WobWork | but zomgbubble is awesome |
| 06:50.56 | Jerub | i haven't played a bubblehealer yet |
| 06:52.27 | Zhinjio | I'm really still trying to get my healing legs under me again. |
| 06:52.39 | Zhinjio | previous to this bit of levelling up of gear and such, I hadn't healed since Karazhan |
| 06:52.50 | unfo- | ah kara... <3 |
| 06:52.54 | Zhinjio | totally |
| 06:53.06 | unfo- | it was so versatile :) |
| 06:53.07 | Zhinjio | I was ret/prot for all of LK |
| 06:53.13 | Zhinjio | until a month ago |
| 06:53.24 | Zhinjio | I figure HoR is a good place as any to see if I have my chops. |
| 06:53.24 | Zhinjio | heh |
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| 06:53.42 | Zhinjio | oh, and PoS garfrost |
| 06:53.45 | Zhinjio | which just sucks ass |
| 06:53.52 | unfo- | my top 3 r-aids: kara, naxx, uldu |
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| 06:55.18 | Zhinjio | Ah, LotR is on. Oneof my favorite quotes. "Certainty of Death, Small chance of success. What're we waiting for?" |
| 06:55.27 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 06:55.38 | Zhinjio | guh. anyway, back to figuring out wtf is going on with my addon. |
| 06:55.40 | Zhinjio | fucking thign |
| 06:55.46 | Zhinjio | I blame Torhal |
| 06:59.35 | Jerub | anyone a druid healer here? |
| 07:00.34 | unfo- | Jerub, i've been one, but not atm. maybe i can help? |
| 07:00.41 | Corrodias | i was years a go |
| 07:01.11 | Jerub | http://www.wowhead.com/item=47309 or http://www.wowhead.com/item=47913 with haste gem? |
| 07:01.47 | unfo- | mysti |
| 07:02.05 | Jerub | really? |
| 07:02.20 | Jerub | i'm under haste softcap, and i'm having trouble getting my haste up |
| 07:02.53 | Jerub | i won the 245 one the other day ina toc25 and gave it away to the second roller because i realised that i'd get more haste by getting the 232 one with the socket |
| 07:02.55 | unfo- | well imho mysti is a better item overall with no useless stats, but if you have a specific need then ofcoz fill that |
| 07:03.31 | Jerub | yeah, if i want useless stats, i can get the offhand from LDW in icc10, but that's my only hope befroe sindy 25. |
| 07:03.39 | Jerub | er, VDW 25 |
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| 07:04.59 | tekkub | So does anyone have the PTR (not beta) installed and can get me a UI dump? |
| 07:05.32 | Zhinjio | hey tekkub |
| 07:05.59 | tekkub | hey :P |
| 07:08.57 | sylvanaar | i hope its the same as beta |
| 07:10.11 | unfo- | do you guys know if the pvp titles are available on ptr or not? |
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| 07:41.12 | WobWork | Jerub: bubblehealing is nice and different to normal holy healing |
| 07:41.40 | WobWork | instead of standing there waiting for the damage to come |
| 07:41.51 | WobWork | you're better off anticipating the damage and mitigating it |
| 07:42.08 | WobWork | and using your bubbles to speed direct heal with Borrowed time |
| 07:42.51 | WobWork | so, for example on the Dogs in the plague wing, you're bubbling the major aoe dps between PoH each party |
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| 07:52.39 | zenzio | "I think medan should have babies with Alextrasza. and bolvar." |
| 07:52.42 | Amarande | gah |
| 07:52.43 | Amarande | I keep dying |
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| 08:04.33 | unfo- | WobWork, yeah. disc healing ftw :) |
| 08:04.36 | Elkano | so how exactly is the "points in the direction" part of survey working? |
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| 08:08.28 | Elkano | anyone of you succeded in finding something with archeology? |
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| 08:18.56 | Amarande | oh good grief what is with tanks lately |
| 08:19.06 | Amarande | pally couldn't hold aggro off me on falric, I get hit twice for 11,414 and die |
| 08:19.43 | Amarande | 'course |
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| 08:19.48 | Amarande | probably that's because only undergeared tanks do reg HoR |
| 08:19.50 | Amarande | by definition |
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| 08:20.39 | Xyphoid | don't you have a threat meter? |
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| 08:21.06 | haste | threat meters are sadface! |
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| 08:35.20 | zenzio | http://failblog.org/2010/09/12/epic-fail-photos-book-title-fail/ |
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| 08:42.27 | the-golem | lol |
| 08:42.34 | the-golem | i dont have a threatmeter either ^^ |
| 08:43.32 | the-golem | only time i lose threat is when a DK pulls out his army, or some pet class forgets to turn off his pet taunt |
| 08:43.51 | Amarande | Xyphoid: I have a threat meter, but threat meters are only of fairly marginal value when AoEing |
| 08:44.09 | Amarande | yeah I don't use my army much on my DPS DK, mainly I only do on the last wave in HHoR |
| 08:45.15 | Amarande | see, the highest DPS on aff lock against trash, by far, is SoC tabspam |
| 08:45.28 | Amarande | unfortunately, whether or not I live through doing that tends to depend on the tank :S |
| 08:45.34 | the-golem | *nods* |
| 08:46.01 | the-golem | heroic tanking is getting boring for me. |
| 08:46.23 | the-golem | i hardly ever use any of my HOLYCRAP buttons |
| 08:47.17 | zenzio | I think I only have a threat meter because I'm too lazy to disable it |
| 08:48.00 | zenzio | remember watching it so closely on Leotheras back in BC, since we went the awkward route of having me (warrior) tank him when he was throwing fire bombs |
| 08:48.47 | the-golem | had occasion to do that once a few days ago though, i was quite excided |
| 08:49.51 | zenzio | that's probably the only fight I ever received Divine Intervention =) |
| 08:50.13 | the-golem | lol |
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| 08:50.48 | Amarande | I wonder if SoC will be of any use at all in Cata, though |
| 08:50.57 | Amarande | the way it sounds like we're going to have to watch threat a lot more than before |
| 08:51.09 | Amarande | sounds like it might only really be useful in multi-tanked raid trash fights |
| 08:51.40 | the-golem | I remember in BC, there was a kara boss fight in which it was practically necessary |
| 08:51.53 | Corrodias | are they cutting down on the abilities you get? because i already had control, shift, and alt + keybinds up the wazoo back in BC. |
| 08:51.53 | the-golem | forget the boss, of course >.> |
| 08:52.15 | cbreak_work | blizz removed quite a bit of spells |
| 08:52.24 | cbreak_work | and they made other spells worthless out of spec |
| 08:52.28 | cbreak_work | (even more than before) |
| 08:52.30 | cbreak_work | at least for mages |
| 08:52.32 | Corrodias | huh, interesting |
| 08:52.42 | the-golem | speaking of spec |
| 08:52.54 | the-golem | they also made it so you can't split spec |
| 08:53.18 | Corrodias | what does that mean? |
| 08:53.36 | the-golem | once you pick a talent tree, you're stuck until you have at least 31 talents |
| 08:54.03 | cbreak_work | they eliminated multi tree specs that way |
| 08:54.03 | the-golem | and 31 talents is the new "full build" with a max of 41 |
| 08:54.13 | the-golem | *nod* |
| 08:54.15 | Corrodias | huh. wow. that's interesting. |
| 08:54.29 | Amarande | so which levels do you get talent points at now? |
| 08:54.36 | Corrodias | weird directions they're taking that game |
| 08:54.37 | the-golem | every odd level |
| 08:54.37 | cbreak_work | non fixed |
| 08:54.45 | the-golem | isn't it? |
| 08:54.51 | cbreak_work | hmm |
| 08:54.53 | cbreak_work | maybe |
| 08:54.56 | the-golem | or wait |
| 08:54.59 | cbreak_work | but I thought you start at 10 |
| 08:55.31 | the-golem | odd levels,after 10, iirc. I could be wrong. |
| 08:55.44 | the-golem | and skills are odd levels until 10, then evens after |
| 08:55.51 | the-golem | skills/spells |
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| 08:56.23 | Corrodias | glad i don't have to know |
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| 08:56.27 | Corrodias | sleep time. later! |
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| 09:00.56 | Amarande | Aright, time to get today's raptor tooth and then sleep. |
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| 09:02.57 | Amarande | BTW, is TB to Gadgetzan actually shorter than Org to Gadgetzan or does it just feel like it? |
| 09:03.20 | cbreak_work | both have the same distance |
| 09:03.29 | cbreak_work | first step: teleport to ironforge. |
| 09:03.48 | Amarande | horde flight path, you goof. horde flight path. |
| 09:04.22 | cbreak_work | oh, hordes discovered the wonders of air travel |
| 09:04.51 | cbreak_work | geographically, both locations are about the same distance I think? |
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| 09:09.44 | Amarande | yeah, maybe it just feels like TB is shorter |
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| 09:24.22 | Wobin | pft |
| 09:24.31 | Wobin | Step 1: Hearth to Dalaran |
| 09:24.39 | Wobin | step 2: portal to CoT |
| 09:24.50 | Wobin | step 3: Collect tooth |
| 09:24.56 | cbreak_work | what tooth? |
| 09:25.02 | Wobin | Raptor tooth |
| 09:25.10 | Wobin | for the horde raptor mount |
| 09:25.26 | cbreak_work | cheaters! |
| 09:25.30 | cbreak_work | I want one too |
| 09:25.47 | Wobin | pft |
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| 09:25.51 | Wobin | you have your wintersabre |
| 09:26.06 | Wobin | which is nowhere near as cool, I do admit |
| 09:26.16 | Amarande | Wobin: don't you need revered to use the portal to CoT? |
| 09:26.20 | Wobin | nope |
| 09:26.31 | Wobin | just take the portal from the Violet Citadel |
| 09:26.46 | Wobin | you need honoured I think for the teleport from Shattrath |
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| 09:27.22 | Amarande | which reminds me, I do still need to do durnholde and bm on the DK |
| 09:27.35 | Amarande | and by 'do' I mean 'stomp all over it' |
| 09:27.39 | Wobin | go do the walky quest now |
| 09:27.49 | Amarande | Since we're talking a frost DW DK in ICC gear |
| 09:28.04 | Wobin | and by 'do' I mean start it and stand at the end and idle til it's done |
| 09:31.51 | Amarande | soooo ... time to check out the PTR a bit before bed. |
| 09:31.56 | Amarande | just to see what happens to my DK's gear, anyway |
| 09:32.43 | Wobin | It shrinks a size and a half in the wash |
| 09:32.51 | Amarande | the heck, why'd I spawn in on a wind rider |
| 09:32.59 | Wobin | (you shouldn't have washed the red ball cap in the same load) |
| 09:34.12 | Amarande | oh wow. |
| 09:34.19 | Amarande | DK sigils are completely changed now |
| 09:34.27 | Amarande | this doesn't look anything LIKE what Vladoka has on live |
| 09:34.54 | harl | hallo |
| 09:35.22 | Amarande | Seems to be a lot more stamina on stuff now too |
| 09:37.03 | Amarande | Blood and Frost presences have been swapped |
| 09:37.25 | Amarande | oh lolwtf apparently my DK was copied over while en route from TB to Gadgetzan for some reason |
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| 09:41.55 | Amarande | I can board my netherdrake on the ground now in azeroth ... |
| 09:42.51 | cbreak_work | you need the flight license to lift off |
| 09:42.57 | Amarande | cbreak: is that on ptr yet? |
| 09:43.01 | cbreak_work | but you can ride on the ground and jump a bit in cataclysm |
| 09:43.03 | cbreak_work | don't know |
| 09:43.08 | cbreak_work | it's in beta |
| 09:43.09 | Amarande | anyway, enough fooling around there ... time to get some sleep |
| 09:43.11 | Amarande | night :) |
| 09:43.16 | cbreak_work | you can ride the fly mounts in dalaran too now |
| 09:43.18 | cbreak_work | just not lift off |
| 09:43.27 | harl | cool |
| 09:43.33 | harl | i guess |
| 09:43.47 | harl | or maybe not, dunno |
| 09:43.50 | Amarande | and I have no idea exactly what the best talents to take are anymore |
| 09:44.07 | Amarande | hopefully EJ will have theorycraft for that up when 4.0.1 hits live |
| 09:44.17 | Amarande | anyway. night :) |
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| 10:51.45 | jadakren | http://io9.com/5476760/18-upcoming-tv-shows-that-could-save-small+screen-scifi |
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| 11:15.36 | `Olorin | Anyone else having issues with drop down menus in cataclysm, Ive made a few changes to where the code doesnt cause an issue with the FrameXML but now when I select a menu option I just get "Custom" as the selection, not what I actually selected. |
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| 11:22.19 | jnwhiteh | the ones I've used work fine |
| 11:22.24 | jnwhiteh | i.e. Clique and WowLua |
| 11:22.30 | jnwhiteh | as much as I've tested. |
| 11:25.01 | `Olorin | thanks, ill take a peek at one of those |
| 11:25.20 | jnwhiteh | the code isn't pretty in either =) |
| 11:25.34 | jnwhiteh | what I'm saying is that dropdowns haven't changed much as far as I know. |
| 11:26.20 | Cide | unfortunately. |
| 11:26.52 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 11:28.07 | Cide | well you gotta agree that the dropdown system is fucked up and a sinking ship of a hack |
| 11:29.20 | `Olorin | well its changed since 3.3 cause my code worked in that, unfortunatley after 8months away from any coding its not helping |
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| 11:38.38 | Cide | fucking komodo |
| 11:38.47 | Cide | the rc is massively unstable |
| 11:38.55 | Fisker | Cide |
| 11:39.00 | Cide | Fisker |
| 11:39.03 | Cide | I bet on duke |
| 11:39.08 | Fisker | you're too late |
| 11:39.14 | Cide | no :( |
| 11:39.18 | Fisker | yes :( |
| 11:40.53 | Cide | nooo |
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| 11:45.35 | Fisker | yes Cide |
| 11:45.37 | Fisker | YEEEEEEEEEEES |
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| 11:52.04 | Elkano | jnwhiteh, wowlua does bug for me ^^ |
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| 12:17.44 | Fisker | What. The. Fuck. airtonix |
| 12:18.03 | Humbedooh | oh hai, fisker |
| 12:18.08 | Fisker | no |
| 12:18.18 | Humbedooh | maybe |
| 12:26.41 | airtonix | haha you're names are green |
| 12:27.21 | Cide | you are names |
| 12:27.35 | airtonix | yes you are |
| 12:27.48 | airtonix | ragemoar |
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| 12:31.52 | jnwhiteh | Elkano: WowLua bugs on something different than what we were talking about, and that does not surprise me =) |
| 12:32.46 | Torhal_ | Zhinjio: Foof. |
| 12:36.59 | mikma | jnwhiteh: fix eet! |
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| 12:53.49 | zenzio | "Exactly. When a felon's engaged in his gainful employment, he doesn't need to be browsing Facebook on his iPhone. A cheap Nokia burner-phone should be sufficient. It's just a matter of paying attention to the job in hand. If he doesn't, then he deserves to get caught." -- "He deserves to get caught in any case, because he's a f*cking criminal." |
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| 12:57.35 | Legorol | I saw a deal floating around trade today: guy is offering to be recruited through RAF to be your friend, for X amount of gold from you, so that you can get the rocket mount. |
| 12:58.27 | Legorol | I am wondering about the legality of that... the guy is basically spending real money to get in-game gold, as far as I understand. |
| 12:59.07 | airtonix | 1. do you want a friend ? 2. how much is it worth to you ? |
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| 13:05.08 | unfo- | Legorol, not legal. |
| 13:05.18 | unfo- | Legorol, or should i say, against eula, not _illegal_ per se |
| 13:05.40 | Legorol | unfo-: well money for gold is illegal, yes |
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| 13:05.46 | Legorol | the question is, what about such indirect means? |
| 13:06.05 | Legorol | plus he can claim that he is an IRL friend, who is making an account to join you, and you are helping him out with 25k |
| 13:06.13 | Legorol | it's veyr hard to prove the purpose was RMT |
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| 13:11.38 | Wobin | http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/dcxc2/what_the_i_dont_even/ <-- NSFW |
| 13:12.56 | Wobin | oh god, the man is insane, but I cannot stop laughing http://www.theonecam.com/ |
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| 13:14.47 | jnwhiteh | Wobin: in response to the reddir: "oh my god, that is terrifying! you just raped my childhood!" from my friend =) |
| 13:15.43 | Adys | "it seems i didnt properly file the issue about the temporary file issue" |
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| 13:16.00 | Wobin | also http://www.amyoops.com/2010/09/he-couldnt-wait-till-911-to-burn-copy.html |
| 13:16.13 | Wobin | he couldn't wait to burn a copy of the Quran |
| 13:16.31 | Wobin | jnwhiteh: it's pretty horrific, yet terribly amusing |
| 13:19.55 | Shirik | jnwhiteh, you use git, right? |
| 13:19.58 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 13:20.19 | jnwhiteh | just finished the packaging scripts for wowi git support the other day :p |
| 13:20.53 | Shirik | I'm having a strange issue. My buildserver only detects modifications whenever my computer submits the change to the server. If any other computer pushes the changes, it's not detected. But they must be on the same branch because I can do `git pull` and pull those changes onto my computer. |
| 13:21.07 | Shirik | Might I be using git wrong somehow? |
| 13:21.24 | jnwhiteh | is this true git, not git-svn bridge or something like that? |
| 13:21.28 | Shirik | yup |
| 13:21.37 | jnwhiteh | and you all have the same remote? |
| 13:21.40 | Shirik | yup |
| 13:21.59 | jnwhiteh | then it sounds like an issue with the script |
| 13:22.02 | jnwhiteh | done any debugging there? |
| 13:22.35 | Shirik | not really, I was kinda under the assumption it worked since it came with the buildserver, but I'm getting to the point where I'm out of other options :) |
| 13:23.06 | jnwhiteh | you might look at the post-update script |
| 13:23.08 | jnwhiteh | since its likely there |
| 13:23.10 | zenzio | "Nope. People are still hacking the Linux kernel - including Linux Thorvalds." -- "His name is Linus Torvalds." -- "No, I think you mean GNU/Linus Torvalds!" |
| 13:23.35 | Shirik | oh it doesn't use post-update |
| 13:23.43 | Shirik | it just polls the server |
| 13:23.43 | jnwhiteh | what does it use? |
| 13:23.48 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 13:24.44 | Shirik | Just to double check this though, let me make sure I got this right |
| 13:24.59 | Shirik | I started on the server, with `git init --bare ./test.git` |
| 13:25.09 | Shirik | then cloned that |
| 13:25.14 | Shirik | does that sound right? |
| 13:25.37 | Shirik | that's the only time I ever got a warning (for cloning an empty repo) |
| 13:25.43 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 13:25.56 | Shirik | and then when I pushed the first time I had to do `git push origin master` |
| 13:26.01 | Shirik | because master didn't exist yet |
| 13:26.02 | jnwhiteh | yep, all standard |
| 13:26.06 | Shirik | ok |
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| 13:27.03 | jnwhiteh | I assume the buildserver is running on a cron job or something similar? |
| 13:27.08 | jnwhiteh | if so, do you have the output of any of it's checking? |
| 13:27.36 | Shirik | that's the weirdest part |
| 13:27.47 | Shirik | it even looks like it's outptting information that it pulled successfully |
| 13:28.13 | Shirik | and then it goes "no modifications detected" |
| 13:28.19 | jnwhiteh | then I'd have to say it sounds like something is wacky with the modification detection :P |
| 13:28.33 | Shirik | let me find it here |
| 13:28.35 | Adys | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26725726854&sid=2000 |
| 13:29.23 | zenzio | Adys: intriguing |
| 13:32.00 | Shirik | omg |
| 13:32.04 | Shirik | I just figured it out jnwhiteh I think |
| 13:32.07 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 13:32.12 | Shirik | I don't know why I didn't think of this before |
| 13:32.20 | Shirik | also, the way the buildserver is detecting changes is moronic |
| 13:32.28 | Shirik | but |
| 13:32.33 | Shirik | my computer is still on pacific time |
| 13:32.50 | Shirik | or well |
| 13:32.51 | Shirik | something |
| 13:33.03 | Shirik | but my point is the timestamps on the commits don't match up |
| 13:33.10 | Shirik | and it does filter based on that |
| 13:33.31 | jnwhiteh | ah hrm |
| 13:33.50 | jnwhiteh | seems more intelligent to check the most recent hash of each branch |
| 13:34.03 | jnwhiteh | if you can assume that no one has rewrite ability |
| 13:34.03 | Shirik | Date: Sun Sep 12 22:18:49 2010 -0700 followed by Date: Sun Sep 12 21:26:08 2010 -0400 |
| 13:34.08 | Shirik | which is in the past |
| 13:34.20 | Elkano | does anyone have an idea why this code block takes 20x to 60x the time on beta than on live? http://paste.wowace.com/2413/ |
| 13:34.32 | jnwhiteh | Elkano: streaming client |
| 13:34.36 | jnwhiteh | simple enough =0 |
| 13:34.37 | jnwhiteh | got a harder one? |
| 13:34.38 | Shirik | I think the reason it does it this way is because it has to support the least common denominator of all SCMs |
| 13:34.49 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: Ah gotcha |
| 13:35.17 | Elkano | I hate it :( |
| 13:35.20 | Kraps | "This is an intentional change, however the values may not be final. Tradeskill nodes are intended to give you experience when you loot them." |
| 13:35.28 | Shirik | anyway, thanks, if even just for helping me confirm that I'm using git right :) |
| 13:35.58 | Elkano | also, the streaming part shouldn't effect it at all |
| 13:36.01 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: sounds just fine at all |
| 13:36.22 | jnwhiteh | Elkano: the codepaths to check if a file exists locally or not is ostensibly more complex and includes debug routines. |
| 13:37.27 | Elkano | but there shouldn't be a need to check for file existance with GetItemIcon() since it only gives a string, right? |
| 13:37.48 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 13:37.52 | jnwhiteh | who knows whats different with the client |
| 13:37.58 | jnwhiteh | we know debugs and assertions are enabled |
| 13:38.10 | jnwhiteh | if nothing else *shrug* |
| 13:38.15 | Elkano | yeah, that's my main hope for live |
| 13:38.16 | jnwhiteh | I'm off, bbl |
| 13:38.20 | Elkano | cya |
| 13:38.53 | `Olorin | Having strange bug with drop down menus, every time i click an option its running the function as if i had clicked on the last option in the list regardless of which option i click on |
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| 13:48.16 | Kraps | http://g4tv.com/videos/48553/The-Lord-Of-The-Rings-Online-Free-To-Play-Trailer/ |
| 13:48.55 | Kalroth | More like The Lord Of The Rings Offline |
| 13:51.21 | `Olorin | I got a lifetime subscription... its quite fun and different from wow but the combat system isnt very fun and very erratic agro system |
| 13:52.43 | `Olorin | Good if you enjoy tradeskills and exploring, though I gather their later content/expansion content is quite an improvement on the earlier stuff |
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| 13:55.26 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5636283/happy-25th-birthday-super-mario-bros |
| 13:55.41 | `Olorin | dont do that.... makes me feel old |
| 13:56.06 | Kraps | :p |
| 13:59.03 | Cide | hi |
| 14:00.20 | `Olorin | Hello :) |
| 14:02.27 | Adys | Arrowmaster: here? |
| 14:02.40 | Arrowmaster | maybe |
| 14:03.02 | Adys | Arrowmaster: how do I use printf in a sh script to get a carriage return? |
| 14:03.03 | Adys | like |
| 14:03.13 | Adys | CR=$(printf \r) except that doesnt work |
| 14:03.28 | Arrowmaster | no fucking clue |
| 14:04.13 | Adys | mmk |
| 14:05.22 | Adys | CR=$(printf \\r) |
| 14:05.23 | Adys | oh. |
| 14:06.08 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, this is going to be a fun day... the web database server just got fragged by unfriendly cord-pulling action! |
| 14:06.40 | Cide | just plug it back in imo |
| 14:09.12 | Lopeppeppy | They did, but... it's never that easy. |
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| 14:13.43 | Monolit | hey, got a question here: is there a way to toggle MultiBarLeft/Right etc via console commands just as you would check the box in ActionBars menu? |
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| 14:21.59 | Ackis | rawr |
| 14:22.32 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR! |
| 14:22.52 | Ackis | did you see my facebook pics? |
| 14:23.07 | Lopeppeppy | Didn't, I've been meetingful all morning. |
| 14:23.10 | Ackis | teh firetrucks and police cars |
| 14:23.19 | Ackis | I got evacuated from my house yesterday due to a gas leak |
| 14:23.24 | newbie | Ackis: omg, there's a gas leak, get out! |
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| 14:26.45 | Cide | hi Shirik |
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| 14:30.17 | `Olorin | Monolit using /script MultiBarRight:Hide() or : Show() works in live but not in test |
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| 14:31.23 | Fisker | i will end Shirik Cide |
| 14:31.25 | Fisker | and Ackis |
| 14:32.16 | Cide | please don't |
| 14:32.26 | Cide | I need him to test something |
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| 14:33.13 | Adys | puts his junk in his cide |
| 14:33.15 | Adys | I mean cider |
| 14:33.33 | Adys | Hai Cide: http://www.pastethat.com/media/files/2010/09/12/ownt.png |
| 14:35.25 | Shirik | hi Cide |
| 14:35.29 | Adys | Hi Shirik |
| 14:35.41 | Shirik | hi Adys |
| 14:35.47 | Shirik | want to know what the problem was with the buildserver? |
| 14:35.48 | Adys | hi Cide |
| 14:35.56 | Adys | absolutely not, but tell me |
| 14:35.59 | Shirik | :( |
| 14:36.06 | Shirik | well tell me what's wrong here |
| 14:36.34 | Adys | Shirik: i dont get it |
| 14:36.36 | Adys | whats wrong? |
| 14:38.29 | Monolit | `Olorin: it's not quite what I asked :) I have no problem with showing/hiding them, the problem is how to actually enable those bars, i.e. mimic checking the box in interface menu |
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| 14:39.31 | Shirik | Adys: http://wowi.pastey.net/140598 |
| 14:39.34 | Shirik | check out the timestamps |
| 14:39.42 | Shirik | it seems git log isn't functioning the way it should? |
| 14:39.46 | Shirik | what am I doing wrong? |
| 14:39.56 | Adys | i.. have no idea |
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| 14:40.03 | Adys | i never use git log options |
| 14:40.16 | Shirik | the whole problem appears to be that the computers had different clocks |
| 14:40.33 | Shirik | but even so, git log appears to ignore the TZ |
| 14:41.03 | Fisker | does the new dashboard suck Ackis ? |
| 14:42.26 | zenzelezz | well it would've been weird if they shared a clock |
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| 15:01.41 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: is the clock correct on both? |
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| 15:02.10 | Shirik | the clock is correct on at least 2 of the 3 |
| 15:02.53 | Shirik | one does seem to be inconsistent |
| 15:03.22 | Shirik | that may be confusing the hell out of git |
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| 15:03.44 | Shirik | still, though, I don't see why it would screw up the way it does |
| 15:03.55 | Arrowmaster | i dont think it would have any effect though |
| 15:03.57 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 15:04.00 | kd3|netbook | yawns |
| 15:04.02 | Shirik | yeah |
| 15:04.03 | Shirik | I agree |
| 15:04.14 | Shirik | I mean if it goes back in time, I can see why the buildserver would become confused |
| 15:04.20 | Shirik | but not git itself |
| 15:04.30 | Shirik | if I type the command myself I expect at least my log entry to follow the condition correctly |
| 15:04.50 | Arrowmaster | git doesnt set the file timestamps back in time though |
| 15:05.24 | Shirik | yeah but the buildserver checks for modifications by running git log with a condition for timestamp |
| 15:05.24 | Arrowmaster | thats stupid |
| 15:05.58 | Shirik | I agree, but they have some reasons for doing it that way |
| 15:06.07 | Shirik | I'm not sure if I agree with them |
| 15:06.11 | Shirik | but I can't change that :) |
| 15:06.33 | Arrowmaster | get it changed to check the reflog instead or something |
| 15:08.40 | Shirik | oh shit |
| 15:08.48 | Shirik | all the clocks are off |
| 15:08.55 | Shirik | .... |
| 15:08.59 | Shirik | I'm going to kill my roommmate |
| 15:09.07 | wereHamster | agrees with Arrowmaster |
| 15:09.18 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik... no baby, don't do it. |
| 15:09.22 | Lopeppeppy | I can't visit you in prison. |
| 15:09.31 | Shirik | Still, I have no idea why git gets confused, but it is true, both his computers went back in time |
| 15:09.35 | Shirik | that's why no modifications were picked up |
| 15:09.40 | Shirik | gah |
| 15:09.51 | Arrowmaster | its just your stupid buildserver that gets confused |
| 15:09.54 | Arrowmaster | not git |
| 15:09.57 | Shirik | well yes |
| 15:10.01 | Shirik | but git gets confused too |
| 15:10.06 | Shirik | but not in a manner that matters |
| 15:10.14 | Shirik | but seriously read http://wowi.pastey.net/140598 |
| 15:10.26 | Shirik | the second command there should show my commit, no? |
| 15:10.35 | Humbedooh | that's a real shitty system then ;\ |
| 15:10.51 | Shirik | Humbedooh: Agree, but not my place to argue that |
| 15:10.55 | Shirik | I just need to get it to work |
| 15:11.10 | Arrowmaster | i dont think the second command takes a timezone |
| 15:11.19 | Shirik | oh |
| 15:11.26 | Shirik | wait, it must |
| 15:11.31 | Shirik | because the second and the third only differ by timezone |
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| 15:12.08 | Shirik | maybe it reads from the head and goes backwards until it reaches the specified time? |
| 15:12.17 | Shirik | that way it doesn't only output the middle of the log |
| 15:12.45 | Shirik | and then because the timestamps go back in time, that causes it to halt prematurely |
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| 15:13.12 | Arrowmaster | maybe |
| 15:13.34 | Arrowmaster | but i dont think the system should have to deal with messed up timestamps |
| 15:13.47 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 15:13.52 | Shirik | I agree |
| 15:14.01 | Arrowmaster | if it did that would mean having to check every timestamp on really large repos |
| 15:14.03 | Shirik | there are a lot of people that don't like its manner for checking for modifications |
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| 15:14.20 | Arrowmaster | git or your buildserver? |
| 15:14.23 | Shirik | the buildserver |
| 15:14.43 | Shirik | they just support the "least common denominator" of all SCMs |
| 15:14.48 | Shirik | so that's why they do it this way |
| 15:15.43 | Arrowmaster | using reflog would be better |
| 15:15.50 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 15:16.02 | Arrowmaster | and really this buildserver is broken by design for ALL DVCSs |
| 15:19.57 | Shirik | brb |
| 15:26.03 | Fisker | Shirik |
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| 15:50.50 | Shirik | hey Arrowmaster, while I have you on the line |
| 15:51.03 | Arrowmaster | what |
| 15:51.34 | Shirik | so I have a "git" group of which everyone who's a member should have rw access to the repo |
| 15:51.44 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 15:51.48 | Shirik | but when people push changes to the repo, it creates a file owned/grouped by them |
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| 15:51.53 | Shirik | instead of the git groub |
| 15:51.55 | Shirik | group* |
| 15:52.00 | cbreak | you have to set the right umask |
| 15:52.03 | Shirik | which seems to be causing permission problems |
| 15:52.08 | cbreak | man git-config, look for shared |
| 15:52.10 | Shirik | thanks :) |
| 15:52.36 | Arrowmaster | i suggest moving the repo, creating a new one with git init --bare --shared |
| 15:52.49 | Arrowmaster | and fetching the old one into the new one |
| 15:53.16 | cbreak | yeah |
| 15:53.21 | Shirik | ok |
| 15:53.24 | cbreak | otherwise you have to make it sticky manually |
| 15:53.36 | Arrowmaster | because all the directories have to be setgid |
| 15:53.38 | cbreak | there's something about it in man git-init under --shared |
| 15:54.37 | Arrowmaster | the shared thing in the config just tells git what umask to use when creating the files, the setgid on the directories keeps the group ownership correct |
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| 15:56.24 | Cide | sounds like a bitch |
| 15:57.00 | cbreak | multi user file permission management is like that |
| 15:58.31 | Arrowmaster | yeah even POSIX ACLs are a bitch imho because they are missing a few nice features like inheritance |
| 15:58.34 | Shirik | `git fetch ../test.git.old master`? |
| 15:58.44 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: that should work |
| 15:58.48 | Shirik | hm |
| 15:58.56 | Arrowmaster | actually just pull it |
| 15:58.57 | Shirik | I can't seem to push after I did that |
| 15:59.09 | Arrowmaster | oh the bare repo had remotes? |
| 15:59.21 | Arrowmaster | or do you mean push into the shared repo? |
| 15:59.25 | Shirik | push into the shared one |
| 15:59.30 | Arrowmaster | what does it say? |
| 15:59.31 | cbreak | what error? |
| 15:59.34 | Shirik | it's saying no refs in common |
| 15:59.41 | Arrowmaster | just force it |
| 15:59.43 | Arrowmaster | with -f |
| 16:00.08 | cbreak | no refs in common means that the remote is empty |
| 16:00.19 | cbreak | did you clone it or init a fresh repo? |
| 16:00.39 | Arrowmaster | yeah my bad a clone would have probably been better |
| 16:00.52 | Arrowmaster | clone then delete the remote |
| 16:00.53 | Shirik | I did `git init --bare --shared ./test.git` `cd ./test.git` `git fetch ../test.git.old master` |
| 16:01.07 | cbreak | if you inited a fresh one, then you can just push -f into it |
| 16:01.17 | cbreak | fetching won't do the right thing |
| 16:01.25 | cbreak | it'll create remote tracking branches in the bare one |
| 16:01.36 | Arrowmaster | yeah go into the old one and push to the new one |
| 16:01.56 | Arrowmaster | push with --all |
| 16:02.08 | Arrowmaster | or --mirror |
| 16:02.32 | Shirik | ok that seems to have worked |
| 16:02.34 | Shirik | thanks :) |
| 16:02.42 | Shirik | also, my head hurts now |
| 16:03.04 | cbreak | fresh air and water. |
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| 16:14.46 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:15.41 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa-dear. |
| 16:16.35 | Shirik | thanks Arrowmaster / cbreak, everyhting seems to be good now |
| 16:16.41 | Shirik | or not |
| 16:16.43 | Shirik | I take it back |
| 16:16.50 | cbreak | that was fast |
| 16:16.56 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 16:16.58 | Shirik | no it's right :) |
| 16:17.01 | Shirik | I just suck at reading permissions |
| 16:17.56 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
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| 16:22.02 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: you get inheritance using posix acls if you set defaults |
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| 16:22.20 | Arrowmaster | thats only inheritance at creation time though |
| 16:22.32 | jnwhiteh | true |
| 16:22.42 | jnwhiteh | but true inheritance doesn't scale =) |
| 16:22.49 | Arrowmaster | thats the one thing i miss from windows ACLs |
| 16:24.47 | cbreak | to not scale? :) |
| 16:25.08 | jnwhiteh | you can get around it with clever caching and such |
| 16:25.12 | cbreak | HFS+ has ACLs, but I never used them. Wonder how they are implemented... |
| 16:25.13 | jnwhiteh | but who knows what devil that bring sinto it. |
| 16:26.16 | nicoli_s | you people and your love of command line apps |
| 16:26.40 | nicoli_s | i just feel like im being punished when i have to look up random arguements and chain them together to do stuff |
| 16:26.55 | nicoli_s | i mean its 2010, guis are fucking easy |
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| 16:29.21 | kd3|netbook | but guis take forever. piping stuff back and forth is fast |
| 16:29.48 | Lopeppeppy | So, with Bloglines closing, and my serious hate of Google reader... what other good RSS readers are out there? |
| 16:30.59 | Shirik | nicoli_s :( |
| 16:31.10 | Shirik | command line apps are so much better because they're easy to programatically access |
| 16:31.24 | Shirik | want to find out how many files changed? pipe command output to wc -l |
| 16:31.33 | Shirik | try doing that with a GUI |
| 16:31.40 | cbreak | nicoli_s: you haven't seen anything |
| 16:32.00 | cbreak | nicoli_s: try setting file permissions in a GUI. |
| 16:32.04 | cbreak | It's atrocious. |
| 16:32.11 | cbreak | or try TortoiseGit |
| 16:32.16 | cbreak | terrible... |
| 16:34.12 | nicoli_s | Shirik:im not saying all command line apps are bad |
| 16:34.34 | industrial | depends on what you are doing |
| 16:34.54 | nicoli_s | i just hate having to deal with apps with dozens of arguements that have little to no help explaining wtf they do |
| 16:35.31 | wereHamster | nicoli_s: true, with GUI apps this is far easier: http://xkcd.com/627/ |
| 16:35.48 | industrial | I find it easier to use tortoisegit on windows than I find git on linux, just because I'm either too lazy or just don't feel like learning what I need to be able to do the same with the commandline as clicking through some menu's |
| 16:35.54 | nicoli_s | lol i love that flow chart |
| 16:35.58 | wereHamster | when you have a CLI app you actually have to read its documentation |
| 16:36.16 | wereHamster | and we all know how much people like reading docs |
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| 16:36.40 | industrial | effect of it is that I use only a very very very small part of git whereas I wouldnt if I'd just learn it properly |
| 16:36.44 | industrial | shrug |
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| 16:37.37 | industrial | Anyway; Can I cap my level at 60 and pvp with it? I see people walking around in full 60 pvp sets. I want to do that for a while for fun. if I cap it will I only be pvping other 60's? 51-60 av is fun |
| 16:37.56 | wereHamster | industrial: if you are only using a very small part of git, then it's probably easier to stick with svn (which has much more mature GUIs and support for windows) |
| 16:38.22 | industrial | in my experience tortousegit works just as fine as tortoisesvn |
| 16:38.32 | wereHamster | people use git because it's so powerful. If you aren't going to use all of it then you might just as well stick with what you alraedy know |
| 16:38.42 | industrial | I don't think I can live without the git staging anymore :P |
| 16:38.54 | industrial | and I've been using it for a few years now |
| 16:39.17 | industrial | I just don't ever branch for myself for example, but I wouldn't with svn too anyway. |
| 16:39.21 | Shirik | we're experimenting with distributed VCS for our final project to try a workflow |
| 16:39.30 | industrial | http://github.com/Industrial |
| 16:39.38 | Shirik | a workflow of "we don't trust anyone except these people, because they suck, so we have a few repos that we know work and a few that the morons can use" |
| 16:41.25 | Cide | why do you trust the people that suck? |
| 16:41.43 | Shirik | that was referring to the "anyone" |
| 16:42.00 | Cide | sad |
| 16:42.07 | Cide | it was way funnier the other way |
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| 16:44.21 | cbreak | tortoisegit supports the index? |
| 16:44.41 | cbreak | all I have seen in it is that I have to select what I want to commit when I commit |
| 16:44.47 | cbreak | and I can't even stage hunks individually |
| 16:44.53 | cbreak | it felt rather poor |
| 16:45.23 | foxlit | /hate positional requirements |
| 16:46.32 | foxlit | I can spam ravage as a mob walks through me, and it'll still only connect in like a third of the cases |
| 16:47.01 | cbreak | nicoli_s: on topic: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/09/13/1342209/How-Good-Software-Makes-Us-Stupid |
| 16:47.40 | Lunessa | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/9/10/ - oh god. |
| 16:48.49 | foxlit | Lunessa: ? |
| 16:49.12 | Lunessa | spiders, in a spray bottle. *SHUDDERS* |
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| 16:52.09 | kd3|netbook | mmm... pasta |
| 16:52.22 | industrial | Ok this is freaky |
| 16:52.29 | industrial | i have my music player set to random on the whole library |
| 16:52.32 | industrial | I leave my pc |
| 16:52.35 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 16:52.37 | Fisker | i hate pasta |
| 16:52.38 | industrial | when I come back I mumble part of a song |
| 16:52.53 | kd3|netbook | your computer is spying on you! |
| 16:52.54 | industrial | I put the volume up and what's playing? to the second exactly where I was with mumbling. wtf. |
| 16:54.08 | industrial | in other news; foe yong hai & bami, fuck yeah! |
| 16:55.46 | kd3|netbook | ...damn it. I should've copied ptr to my netbook so I could abuse the university's bandwidth to get it downloaded in a sane amount of time |
| 16:57.07 | Fisker | l2internet kd3 |
| 16:58.15 | Fisker | kd3|netbook |
| 16:58.28 | Fisker | look at me, now back at your man, now back at me, now back at your man, now back to me |
| 16:58.34 | Fisker | the PTR is now downloaded |
| 16:58.43 | Fisker | that's how fast it is |
| 16:59.14 | Fisker | Does the PTR use the new launcher system as well btw? |
| 17:00.28 | Warloco | local tcolor = {"red" = "|cffff0000"; "yellow" = "|cffffff00"; "orange" = "|cffffcc00"; "green" = "|cff00ff00"; "white" = "|cffffffff"} |
| 17:00.28 | Warloco | How do I rewrite that correctly? >.< |
| 17:00.43 | kd3|netbook | yes |
| 17:00.56 | kd3|netbook | it also downloads the data it already has twice |
| 17:00.58 | kd3|netbook | sighs |
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| 17:06.03 | Fisker | sweet kd3|netbook |
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| 17:06.45 | mikma | warloco: correctly? |
| 17:13.39 | kd3|netbook | in other news... sending stack traces over the wire is stupid when dealing with crypto |
| 17:13.45 | kd3|netbook | looks at the latest /. post and sighs |
| 17:14.11 | Lopeppeppy | Don't deal with crypto! It burns! |
| 17:21.11 | NightHawkTheSane | my boss: "What are your next-steps as far as [client] demo goes?" me: "Well, first I actually need the mockups and content, so I know what to build." |
| 17:21.16 | NightHawkTheSane | facepalms |
| 17:22.08 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. I'm trying to drag that out of a client right now, NHTS... crafting that delicate "where the hell is your material" request email. |
| 17:22.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: fortunately, I'm not on that side of it, but yeah. This demo has to be *done* in 10 days. We don't have any of the stuff we need yet. >< |
| 17:24.10 | jnwhiteh | Anyone on Lost Isles (US) |
| 17:24.20 | jnwhiteh | and have a way to get my tauren druid to Dalaran? |
| 17:24.21 | Lopeppeppy | They expect you to be a miracle worker with no time or content. |
| 17:24.43 | mikma | jnwhiteh: fly there! |
| 17:24.57 | jnwhiteh | with my lack of flying skill in Northrend? |
| 17:24.58 | jnwhiteh | good idea! |
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| 17:26.03 | mikma | you didnt mention thnat, haha |
| 17:26.23 | jnwhiteh | haha |
| 17:26.31 | jnwhiteh | <3 using my addon author street cred to get a summon |
| 17:26.33 | jnwhiteh | flexes |
| 17:26.56 | mikma | lolz |
| 17:27.23 | haste | "Hi, I'm jnwhiteh, you might remember me from add-ons such as Clique, Perfect Raid and Lightheaded. Could I get a summon?" |
| 17:27.24 | mikma | "i coded tomtom and lightheaded, summon me or i will add you in my shitlist!" |
| 17:27.29 | Lopeppeppy | Use your powers only for good! |
| 17:27.35 | jnwhiteh | haste: yep, pretty much |
| 17:28.10 | jnwhiteh | huh |
| 17:28.15 | Cide | except s/Hi/Greetings chaps/ |
| 17:28.17 | jnwhiteh | I've never seen the horde side of Dalaran |
| 17:28.31 | mikma | it sucks |
| 17:28.31 | jnwhiteh | where the HELL are my mounts? |
| 17:28.32 | jnwhiteh | anyone? |
| 17:28.43 | Pneumatus | char sheet, mounts tab |
| 17:28.55 | jnwhiteh | not on beta |
| 17:29.02 | jnwhiteh | maybe i have no mounts |
| 17:29.03 | mikma | jnwhiteh: cata? spellbook |
| 17:29.04 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 17:29.07 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't seem likely |
| 17:29.14 | jnwhiteh | mikma: not in the spellbook |
| 17:29.16 | Pneumatus | oh wait, they are in spellbook |
| 17:29.17 | jnwhiteh | maybe I really dont have any mounts |
| 17:29.18 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 17:29.23 | mikma | char -> pet -> |
| 17:29.37 | mikma | theres two tabs there |
| 17:29.40 | Pneumatus | yeh, definatly spellbook, i have spellbook, professions, pets, mounts and companions as bottom tabs |
| 17:29.57 | mikma | pneumatus: live |
| 17:30.01 | Xinhuan | do the bottom of tabs look wrong? |
| 17:30.06 | Xinhuan | unrounded |
| 17:30.08 | jnwhiteh | i dont have pets mount or companions |
| 17:30.09 | Ressy | yup |
| 17:30.16 | mikma | jnwhiteh: you suck |
| 17:30.19 | Pneumatus | Xinhuan: yeh, only when selected though |
| 17:30.27 | Xinhuan | yeah |
| 17:30.30 | Ressy | its like that in the guild pane too |
| 17:30.30 | Pneumatus | missing a texture, id imagine |
| 17:30.45 | KarlKFI|work | jnwhiteh: you're lucky i dont think i even had any street cred. by the time i had cosmos under control it already had a bad wrap |
| 17:31.05 | mikma | bad name? |
| 17:31.12 | kd3|netbook | winces |
| 17:31.17 | jnwhiteh | haha |
| 17:31.19 | KarlKFI|work | i resorted to never mentioning i worked on addons |
| 17:31.23 | Pneumatus | wait |
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| 17:31.26 | Pneumatus | WAIIIIIT |
| 17:31.33 | Pneumatus | you're trying to claim cosmos had a good name? |
| 17:31.45 | KarlKFI|work | *eyeroll* |
| 17:31.53 | KarlKFI|work | people love to hate |
| 17:32.03 | KarlKFI|work | cosmos had a good name in beta |
| 17:32.05 | mikma | thats cause cosmos sucked |
| 17:32.07 | Pneumatus | haters be hatin' |
| 17:32.21 | jnwhiteh | is there a beta raid on lost isles? |
| 17:32.28 | mikma | its easy to hate something that sucks |
| 17:32.48 | KarlKFI|work | but as soon as the addon format came to be people started hating on cosmos because it was in framexml, which was the only option when it was started... |
| 17:32.49 | mikma | like, i hate jnwhiteh cause he sucks (cause he wont wanna fix ohsnap with me) |
| 17:32.55 | Pneumatus | no new raids are in, idk if battlegrounds are up though |
| 17:33.04 | KarlKFI|work | it never really recovered int he public's eye, even tho it had millions of users |
| 17:33.35 | KarlKFI|work | millions of downloads anyway, not necessarily users |
| 17:33.48 | Pneumatus | ctmod was the same, just people grew out of that |
| 17:34.02 | Cide | hmm? |
| 17:34.03 | Lopeppeppy | never grew out of ctmod. *sniff* |
| 17:34.06 | KarlKFI|work | but considerign once you downloaded it automatically updated it was prolly close to that in users |
| 17:34.13 | mikma | ctmod always rocked |
| 17:34.14 | mikma | always |
| 17:34.14 | Cide | ctmod is awesome k |
| 17:34.27 | KarlKFI|work | till bloat-haters |
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| 17:34.52 | Pneumatus | Cide: surely it's only the raid tracker (and its derivatives) that really have any coverage now though |
| 17:34.57 | Xinhuan | so my 2 most popular addons work on the beta without modifications (lol) |
| 17:35.01 | Cide | who knows |
| 17:35.04 | kd3|netbook | whee |
| 17:35.05 | Xinhuan | isn't that awesome |
| 17:35.07 | Cide | coverage doesn't dictate awesomeness |
| 17:35.13 | Lopeppeppy | sweet, Xinhuan. |
| 17:35.21 | Cide | ct_buffmod is still the best buffmod hands down all categories! |
| 17:35.21 | Pneumatus | true, look at questhelper |
| 17:35.42 | Pneumatus | the unitframe mod was good, also |
| 17:35.44 | Xinhuan | people are asking me, no updates in a year?? |
| 17:35.50 | Xinhuan | i'm like, updates? what for |
| 17:35.53 | Cide | they were all good |
| 17:36.05 | Cide | mostly because of what they introduced than what they delivered though |
| 17:36.13 | Cide | rather than |
| 17:36.59 | KarlKFI|work | i think they finally obsoleted my oldest running addon: ChatScroll |
| 17:37.08 | Cide | of course I'm pretty biased :P |
| 17:37.57 | Pneumatus | well, the protocol that CTRA introduced still lives healthily today |
| 17:38.11 | Cide | sadly |
| 17:38.11 | Pneumatus | 5 years down the line, or whatever |
| 17:38.13 | Cide | because it sucks |
| 17:38.27 | Cide | ctra is my biggest failure and success at the same time |
| 17:38.57 | jnwhiteh | mine is perfectraid |
| 17:38.57 | kd3|netbook | "How many FR pots do you have?" |
| 17:38.59 | jnwhiteh | not even my idea |
| 17:39.02 | jnwhiteh | just my execution |
| 17:39.12 | Cide | but I think in terms of features introduced to the ui community it's the biggest |
| 17:39.14 | jnwhiteh | my biggest failure is that people still use it |
| 17:39.22 | jnwhiteh | and the fact that I haven't actually written it well |
| 17:39.28 | jnwhiteh | and that no one has approximated it yet =) |
| 17:39.40 | Cide | I'll perfect your raid |
| 17:39.43 | Xinhuan | my biggest success is probably Routes |
| 17:40.16 | Pneumatus | more like postal |
| 17:40.27 | Cide | postal is a total ct_mailmod ripoff thank you very much! |
| 17:40.31 | KarlKFI|work | does the old forgotten author jig |
| 17:40.32 | Xinhuan | omen and postal were addons i took over from original authors |
| 17:40.42 | Xinhuan | so they weren't "my" success so-to-speak |
| 17:40.44 | mikma | jnwhiteh: f*** you! pr is almost perfect |
| 17:40.54 | mikma | you just need to recode it to perfect |
| 17:40.55 | KarlKFI|work | lol? |
| 17:41.24 | Xinhuan | all i did was rewrite them to be lean and mean :P |
| 17:41.26 | KarlKFI|work | personally i think they need to change the game sufficiently so that nobody needs raid frames... |
| 17:41.27 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 17:41.33 | jnwhiteh | the barkskin spell effect is <3 |
| 17:41.43 | KarlKFI|work | cause staring at raid frames is boring shit |
| 17:42.27 | Xinhuan | if nobody need raid frames |
| 17:42.35 | Xinhuan | the game would be "oo dumbed down" |
| 17:42.37 | Xinhuan | too |
| 17:42.42 | KarlKFI|work | who cares |
| 17:42.48 | KarlKFI|work | dumbed down can still be fun |
| 17:42.51 | KarlKFI|work | even mroe fun |
| 17:43.07 | KarlKFI|work | civ5 is dumbed down civ4 |
| 17:43.13 | KarlKFI|work | everybody's doign it |
| 17:43.13 | Pneumatus | yeh, back in mc you didn't need raid frames, you had so many healers you could just heal in your own group ;) |
| 17:43.32 | Xinhuan | civ 5 and civ4 are quite different, i wouldn't even say its dumbed down |
| 17:43.41 | KarlKFI|work | have you seen the UI? |
| 17:43.44 | foxlit | civ5's re-playability comes from a different source. |
| 17:43.47 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 17:43.50 | KarlKFI|work | and no death stacks... |
| 17:43.57 | Xinhuan | but the combat mechanics are extremely different |
| 17:43.59 | foxlit | ICC has been out for what, a year now? |
| 17:44.04 | KarlKFI|work | dubmed down |
| 17:44.06 | Xinhuan | to the point its quite a different game |
| 17:44.14 | KarlKFI|work | so what, make wow a different game |
| 17:44.20 | KarlKFI|work | that's what xpacks are for |
| 17:44.26 | mikma | i'm being rickrolled |
| 17:44.41 | mikma | its on on radio atm, keke |
| 17:45.11 | KarlKFI|work | i dunno, what if you could get in game overlays when you zoomed out, and use that for your raid frames |
| 17:45.21 | KarlKFI|work | like a top down |
| 17:45.58 | KarlKFI|work | or what if you had (gasp) less responsibility to heal a million people |
| 17:46.12 | KarlKFI|work | go back to only worrying about your team |
| 17:46.17 | KarlKFI|work | party* |
| 17:46.32 | Xinhuan | that is the basis in vanilla raids |
| 17:46.33 | foxlit | KarlKFI: that won't work |
| 17:46.42 | Xinhuan | you tried to make each party subgroup self-sufficient in those days |
| 17:46.47 | Xinhuan | because raid frames didn't exist then |
| 17:46.47 | foxlit | Problem with focusing on your party alone is that if anything happens to you, your entire party died |
| 17:47.00 | KarlKFI|work | so? |
| 17:47.12 | KarlKFI|work | may a little cross dependancy |
| 17:47.17 | KarlKFI|work | make* |
| 17:47.24 | Cide | UNTIL CTRA Xinhuan |
| 17:47.30 | Xinhuan | pretty much |
| 17:47.35 | Cide | well there was this other addon |
| 17:47.39 | Cide | can't remember its nam |
| 17:47.39 | Xinhuan | healers that were able to heal cross-group were valued much higher |
| 17:47.40 | Cide | name |
| 17:47.42 | Cide | RaidHealth or something |
| 17:47.46 | KarlKFI|work | a little cross dependancy >> healign your whole raid |
| 17:48.14 | KarlKFI|work | plus it makes you feel more important when you're the onyl one that can heal someone, they're depending on you |
| 17:48.14 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... that line is so fuzzy and so painful. |
| 17:48.17 | Cide | but as soon as we released ctra it got discontinued because of it so /shrug |
| 17:48.27 | Cide | doesn't work out in the current design though |
| 17:48.29 | Xinhuan | your idealism wont' work karl, simply because a healer that can heal whole raid will still always be valued higher than one that only heals his own party |
| 17:48.44 | KarlKFI|work | so dissable raid frames |
| 17:48.57 | KarlKFI|work | remove the raid#'s |
| 17:48.57 | Xinhuan | that doesn't solve the problem |
| 17:49.19 | Xinhuan | the healer that can still cross-heal the entire raid (in the absence of raid frames) will still be higher valued |
| 17:49.32 | KarlKFI|work | so? it'll still be harder |
| 17:49.46 | Xinhuan | workarounds will be made, 25 macros to target |
| 17:49.49 | Xinhuan | or something |
| 17:50.00 | kd3|netbook | winces again |
| 17:50.19 | KarlKFI|work | so break target of target |
| 17:50.41 | KarlKFI|work | we can keep going, removing functionality till ti's fun again |
| 17:50.54 | Xinhuan | making something harder doesn't necessarily make the game easier or more fun |
| 17:51.06 | Xinhuan | it may instead make it more tedious or more boring |
| 17:51.06 | foxlit | You'll end up breaking /target |
| 17:51.38 | KarlKFI|work | more boring than whack a mole? |
| 17:51.46 | foxlit | But hey, you could fix everything much easier |
| 17:51.53 | foxlit | Just remove the ability to heal anyone outside your party |
| 17:52.00 | Xinhuan | if you could only heal your own party, it will be more boring for the most part |
| 17:52.06 | mikma | hah |
| 17:52.08 | Xinhuan | u have less moles to hit |
| 17:52.14 | Xinhuan | so that makes it more boring right? |
| 17:52.22 | foxlit | And most of the time, your party won't be taking damage |
| 17:52.23 | KarlKFI|work | so take away the party frames |
| 17:52.36 | KarlKFI|work | maybe make it more i-spy |
| 17:52.45 | KarlKFI|work | then you really have to focus |
| 17:52.56 | Xinhuan | perhaps you should play ff14 |
| 17:52.57 | Xinhuan | :P |
| 17:52.57 | kd3|netbook | "I spy with my little eye... something red!" |
| 17:53.02 | kd3|netbook | "get out of the fire!" |
| 17:53.02 | foxlit | Nobody likes that. |
| 17:53.22 | KarlKFI|work | just tryign to mix it up. i dont play a healer anymore |
| 17:53.36 | KarlKFI|work | or rather, i dont playt he healing role in raids |
| 17:54.10 | KarlKFI|work | people who like healign do it because it makes them feel important |
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| 17:54.22 | KarlKFI|work | the same way big numbers make you feel important |
| 17:54.46 | KarlKFI|work | just being 1 in 10 healers makes you feel less improtant |
| 17:55.00 | KarlKFI|work | but if you're critical to keepign some subset alive... |
| 17:55.04 | NightHawkTheSane | People who like [X] do it because it makes them feel valuable. |
| 17:55.05 | Xinhuan | by some fluke, someone in my raid managed to do 31 fireball crits in a row =.= |
| 17:55.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Welcome to the most abstract statement in the world :P |
| 17:55.13 | Xinhuan | i was checking recount |
| 17:55.15 | Xinhuan | and i was like wtf |
| 17:55.21 | Xinhuan | 100% crit raid |
| 17:55.24 | Xinhuan | rate* |
| 17:55.56 | KarlKFI|work | gives up and goes back to work |
| 17:56.05 | Xinhuan | well 31 fireballs over the first 2 minutes of a halion attempt that is |
| 17:56.11 | Xinhuan | then we wiped lol |
| 17:56.12 | KarlKFI|work | way to go stifling idea generation, guys |
| 17:56.15 | Dagmar | Usually that gets you brutally murdered |
| 17:56.30 | Xinhuan | it wasn't 31 fireballs in a row as in chain cast |
| 17:56.51 | Xinhuan | its intermixed with other spells, just that all 31/31 casted fireballs happened to be crits |
| 17:56.53 | Xinhuan | i was like wtf |
| 17:56.56 | Xinhuan | how RNG can u get |
| 17:57.01 | NightHawkTheSane | some days, the rng is kind? :P |
| 17:57.14 | Dagmar | I still say he's lucky he's alive |
| 17:57.16 | NightHawkTheSane | he probably has a damn healthy crit rate too, to make that not terribly crazy |
| 17:57.18 | KarlKFI|work | notes to self: don't brainstorm ideas in an environment where people love to point out how stupid your ideas are |
| 17:57.19 | Dagmar | My |
| 17:57.22 | Dagmar | My |
| 17:57.56 | Xinhuan | in the 2nd attempt, he had 90% crit rate on fireballs, but on 3rd and subsequent, it dropped to the standard avg of about 65% for fire mages |
| 17:57.58 | NightHawkTheSane | KarlKFI|work: if i implied that i thought your ideas were stupid, i'm sorry, thats not what i meant |
| 17:57.59 | Dagmar | My 'locks crit rate is like 20% or something and I got murdered two nights ago for somehow slamming down about ten 10-k Immolates in a row |
| 17:58.13 | NightHawkTheSane | I was just making a snide remark about your comment, because it amused me. |
| 17:58.16 | Xinhuan | so i am wondering if he had some crit buff on the first attempt |
| 17:58.21 | Dagmar | I figured SURELY the run of crits will stop before I get aggro |
| 17:58.38 | Xinhuan | not necessarily dagmar, not every spell is casted on the boss |
| 17:58.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: maybe conflag? |
| 17:58.43 | Xinhuan | there's lots of adds during halion P1 |
| 17:58.56 | NightHawkTheSane | (er, not conflag... combustion) |
| 17:58.57 | NightHawkTheSane | ? |
| 17:59.08 | NightHawkTheSane | whatever that fire-mage-cliky-abilit is called |
| 17:59.14 | Xinhuan | combustion just gives you more crit % until you have 3 crits |
| 17:59.21 | NightHawkTheSane | true. |
| 17:59.22 | Xinhuan | so it usually doesn't last longer than 6 secs |
| 17:59.30 | Xinhuan | as a buff that is |
| 18:08.56 | Xinhuan | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzkkgK_zQHI |
| 18:09.05 | Xinhuan | "In honor of the 25th anniversary of the release of Super Mario Bros, Nintendo of Japan has produced this video showing the history of everyone's favorite super plumber." |
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| 18:09.16 | Xinhuan | 25 years of mario gameplay lol |
| 18:09.20 | Xinhuan | awesome |
| 18:10.00 | Dagmar | Wow |
| 18:10.07 | Dagmar | PTR client is a bit buggy |
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| 18:17.48 | nicoli_s | xinhuan:i wish that video was all like the intro |
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| 18:23.50 | kd3|netbook | a bit? |
| 18:28.26 | cogwheel | ohai ptr... |
| 18:28.34 | cogwheel | crawls out from under his rock |
| 18:30.49 | TC-Work | but it's warm and cozy under there |
| 18:31.16 | cogwheel | i no rite? |
| 18:35.36 | zenzelezz | "Frustrated Reporter Quits After Slow News Day"... that title is inaccurate... but then that's not unusual for Slashdot |
| 18:36.20 | cbreak | you mean it actually fits the story? |
| 18:36.30 | cbreak | and is merely inaccurate? |
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| 18:40.27 | zenzelezz | cbreak: it might've been a slow news day, but that's not why she quit... she was very unhappy with the way the broadcaster was treating employees |
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| 18:41.54 | Lunessa | Game of Thrones teasers up on HBO.com. Looks good. |
| 18:42.35 | cbreak | yesterday I heard a report about a reporter named May Chidiac on the radio |
| 18:42.56 | cbreak | seems she got blown up by some terrorists, and is now still reporting about them |
| 18:43.32 | cbreak | rather critically too |
| 18:43.59 | nicoli_s | Lunessa:did you see the premiere last night? |
| 18:44.11 | Lunessa | nicoli_s: Um, no? |
| 18:44.18 | Lunessa | HBO, I don't haz. |
| 18:44.21 | nicoli_s | ahh |
| 18:44.32 | nicoli_s | i have it, but didnt even realize it was coming out |
| 18:44.33 | jnwhiteh | hrm, I have to say |
| 18:44.44 | jnwhiteh | I'm not sure I'm a huge fan of the eclipse mechanism right now. |
| 18:44.47 | jnwhiteh | Lunessa: nom. |
| 18:45.35 | Lunessa | I'm a fan of G.R.R. Martin's work. And seeing it as a movie/show when he's stoked about how well it came out has got me all amped up. |
| 18:45.43 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 18:45.46 | jnwhiteh | he should write |
| 18:45.47 | jnwhiteh | and finish |
| 18:45.48 | jnwhiteh | ffs. |
| 18:45.48 | jnwhiteh | =0 |
| 18:46.26 | haste | busy reading a game of thrones right now Lunessa ! |
| 18:46.38 | Lunessa | Haha. I met the man at NOLA Con in '93. We talked about playing superhero RPGs (he was doing Wildcards books) and he introduced me to Robert Asprin. |
| 18:46.53 | Lunessa | haste: Winter is Coming. |
| 18:47.08 | haste | :3 |
| 18:48.39 | jnwhiteh | Lunessa: freaking awesome. |
| 18:50.06 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 18:50.10 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 18:50.19 | Fisker | my break is ending :( |
| 18:50.53 | haste | Fisker: fap vigorously |
| 18:51.43 | Fisker | i wish i could |
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| 18:54.10 | Lunessa | That was a good convention for me. Most of the parts I remember are from early in the day, before the drinking sets in. |
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| 19:02.23 | nevcairiel | ~seen scrapz |
| 19:02.43 | purl | nevcairiel: i haven't seen 'scrapz' |
| 19:02.43 | nevcairiel | purl, ping |
| 19:02.44 | purl | ~pong |
| 19:02.54 | nevcairiel | i thought i saw that name around here before.. |
| 19:03.15 | industrial | http://www.newstatesman.com/international-politics/2010/09/war-crimes-interview-obama |
| 19:03.19 | foxlit | Spirit of Azuregos says: I SAID GOOD DAY! |
| 19:03.21 | industrial | this man speaks good things. |
| 19:03.45 | industrial | especially on the do you vote question. |
| 19:06.31 | foxlit | wait, that Chomsky? |
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| 19:08.13 | Kraps | obama is committing war crimes |
| 19:08.16 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.47 | cbreak | what? |
| 19:09.53 | cbreak | he's not even fighting in the war himself |
| 19:10.03 | cbreak | he's just continuing it |
| 19:10.44 | Kraps | "For example, targeted assassinations are war crimes. That's escalated quite sharply under Obama. If you look at WikiLeaks, there are a lot of examples of attacks on civilians." |
| 19:12.32 | Fisker | i warcrime u Kraps |
| 19:12.57 | Kraps | i warcrimetrial u? |
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| 19:17.37 | NightHawkTheSane | i forgot how kind of awesome, and kind of a dick, chomsky is. |
| 19:19.47 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpKhjnvaFR8&feature=player_embedded |
| 19:19.53 | Adys | Shirik |
| 19:19.56 | Adys | are you here? |
| 19:19.58 | Adys | ~seen tuller |
| 19:20.03 | purl | tuller <~muffins@c-69-143-56-163.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 5d 18h 5m 53s ago, saying: 'so is my theory correct in that GetItemInfo in the beta is subject to the same dynamic loading as the rest of the client?'. |
| 19:21.41 | Shirik | Adys? |
| 19:22.00 | Adys | Shirik: why dont we have EDI around? |
| 19:22.04 | Adys | and what language is he in? |
| 19:22.22 | Shirik | dunno |
| 19:22.24 | Shirik | and Lua |
| 19:22.25 | Shirik | why? |
| 19:23.28 | Fisker | Shirikmen |
| 19:23.39 | Fisker | EDI isn't here because i'm vastly superior to it |
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| 19:24.38 | Lunessa | N00B-sauce question, but WTF is EDI? |
| 19:25.00 | Shirik | EDI is a bot of awesomeness |
| 19:25.04 | Kraps | EDI is a she |
| 19:25.07 | Shirik | written during an ongoing spam attack |
| 19:25.18 | Shirik | destroys spammers (and Fisker) at the speed of light |
| 19:25.49 | Lunessa | Or at least internet latency? |
| 19:26.23 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:26.27 | Shirik | they are roughly equivalent |
| 19:27.00 | Kraps | hunter pets no longer have special damage attacks |
| 19:27.01 | Lopeppeppy | EDI was a no-good kid |
| 19:27.47 | Lunessa | 186,000 miles per second. It's not just a good idea, it's the LAW! |
| 19:28.33 | Fisker | it doesn't even destroy me Shirik |
| 19:28.35 | amro | Fisker is still around so |
| 19:28.40 | amro | ~failrik |
| 19:28.40 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 19:28.40 | foxlit | s/law/definition/ |
| 19:28.53 | Fisker | nice troll foxlit |
| 19:29.07 | Kraps | ~kraps |
| 19:29.31 | Lunessa | foxlit: It's a spoof of the ol US '55MPH' national speed limit campaign ads. |
| 19:29.43 | foxlit | yes yes. Pedantry still applies |
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| 19:30.07 | Lunessa | So does my reverse pendatry. We can do this all day. |
| 19:30.13 | Arrowmaster | 55MPH? im not sure my car has a gear low enough to do that |
| 19:30.17 | foxlit | Technically it's night |
| 19:30.55 | Kraps | foxlit: not where we are |
| 19:31.09 | foxlit | Kraps: why aren't you someplace better yet? :) |
| 19:31.33 | Kraps | new york > everything else |
| 19:31.53 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 19:32.05 | Fisker | hey Lopeppeppy |
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| 19:32.23 | Lopeppeppy | What, Fisker-du? |
| 19:32.26 | Kraps | besides, morning is the best time of day |
| 19:32.27 | Fisker | Fiskerdu? |
| 19:32.35 | Lopeppeppy | Si? |
| 19:32.37 | Fisker | .( |
| 19:35.02 | Lunessa | kd3: This thread is relevant to your wikiness: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26725776391&sid=2000 |
| 19:35.05 | Fisker | am i missing an eyeball? |
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| 19:36.53 | Lopeppeppy | I don't know, did you find them both? |
| 19:36.56 | EthanCentaurai | would that make you a Fsker then? |
| 19:38.28 | mikma | adamsker: yes you are |
| 19:39.55 | Fisker | :E |
| 19:41.29 | mikma | wobin: http://www.geekologie.com/2010/09/helmets_where_were_going_we_do.php |
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| 19:57.39 | Kraps | does wow have a hotkey that displays your fps? |
| 19:57.53 | TC-Work | alt + r os somesuch |
| 19:57.55 | TC-Work | or* |
| 19:58.02 | TC-Work | maybe ctrl + r |
| 19:58.21 | TC-Work | or was it s |
| 19:59.49 | industrial | drools over http://jashkenas.github.com/coffee-script |
| 20:00.18 | olafski | ctrl+r |
| 20:00.27 | Kraps | hmm where would it show up? |
| 20:00.30 | industrial | yes it does, you can check in the keybindings Kraps. |
| 20:00.32 | TC-Work | bottom center |
| 20:00.49 | TC-Work | well, lower 3rd of the screen nayway |
| 20:01.05 | Kraps | oh lol the stupid tutorial thing was blocking it :/ |
| 20:01.41 | Lopeppeppy | wants to bake cookies!! |
| 20:02.10 | TC-Work | are you going to share Lopeppeppy? |
| 20:02.30 | industrial | I should never learn to bake |
| 20:02.35 | industrial | it will go horribly wrong |
| 20:02.37 | Lopeppeppy | TC, I can't eat them, so I have to share. |
| 20:02.49 | Lopeppeppy | Indie, I have tons of easy-easy recipes. You should learn to bake. |
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| 20:03.26 | malreth | station |
| 20:03.48 | malreth | wait, no |
| 20:04.29 | industrial | I will end up fat like jabba the hut Lopeppeppy |
| 20:04.44 | industrial | from all the munchie times when I get high o_O |
| 20:05.36 | industrial | It would be severely counter-productive, since I lost 20kg and now I'm wokring out :p |
| 20:05.45 | industrial | (huah!) |
| 20:06.15 | malreth | industrial: grats on leveling up in fitness |
| 20:06.15 | Lopeppeppy | indie, not all baking is omg fattening. *poke* I have awesome pumpkin cookies that are healthy! |
| 20:06.53 | Lopeppeppy | However, never so much as sniff the Sprocket Chocolate Chip cookies. They are tailor made for fattening Santa Claus up. |
| 20:07.04 | industrial | Lopeppeppy: http://work-and-process.blogspot.com/2010/05/food-inspiration-dutch-mon-chou-cake.html |
| 20:07.08 | industrial | Lopeppeppy: go! |
| 20:07.10 | industrial | =) |
| 20:07.54 | industrial | malreth: summer 2011 I'm tellin you ;p |
| 20:08.36 | Lopeppeppy | That's a neat cheesecake recipe. I'd have to alter it a bit, since our US measures don't match, but it does look yummy. |
| 20:08.53 | malreth | industrial: is that when you hit the level cap on fitness? |
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| 20:09.12 | industrial | probably, I don't want to become huge liek arnold |
| 20:09.21 | industrial | HUEG LIEK PS3 |
| 20:09.40 | malreth | could always wait for the next expansion, you know |
| 20:09.47 | malreth | hur hur |
| 20:10.15 | industrial | I'd say 'I prefer to twink' but I don't swing that way. |
| 20:10.23 | Kraps | internal bag error? |
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| 20:10.32 | industrial | :') |
| 20:10.56 | Kraps | stupid ptr is broken |
| 20:14.39 | alestane | I get that every now and again from things like Messages in a bottle, even on live. |
| 20:15.20 | Fisker | double rainbow alestane |
| 20:15.26 | Lopeppeppy | Taste the namebow! |
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| 20:18.18 | zenzelezz | "FYI warriors are hybrids."... I guess you could say that, though I never really thought of them as such |
| 20:19.44 | Fisker | http://www.ustream.tv/2kgameslive |
| 20:19.46 | alestane | I guess every class that's not pure DPS is a hybrid? |
| 20:19.59 | Pneumatus | yeh, warriors just happen to be the only hybrid that cant heal |
| 20:20.01 | nevcairiel | "hybrid" is overrated anyway, all "hybrid" classes can perform all their roles perfectly now |
| 20:20.05 | zenzelezz | that's basically what this guy claimed |
| 20:20.12 | nevcairiel | Pneumatus: DK |
| 20:20.16 | Pneumatus | oyer |
| 20:20.21 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: "now" as in live, or Cataclysm? |
| 20:20.25 | nevcairiel | both |
| 20:20.54 | nevcairiel | it was back in classic, and partially in BC, that hybrids usually sucked at everything |
| 20:21.05 | nevcairiel | except one raid role, possibly |
| 20:21.15 | nevcairiel | like, druids, no one would bring anything but healers |
| 20:21.24 | nevcairiel | or priests, only holy was acceptable |
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| 20:22.12 | Pneumatus | well, mage/lock/hunter/rogue are pure, pala/druid can do all 3 roles, shamans/priests can do heal/dps and dk/warr can do tank/dps |
| 20:22.30 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: well lets be honest, any class that could heal in classic was pretty much expected to :P |
| 20:22.33 | Pneumatus | yeh, druids were only healers, as were paladins pretty much |
| 20:22.51 | nevcairiel | and only warriors tanked, yeah |
| 20:23.07 | Pneumatus | we had a paladin tank, but that was a bit off the wall at the time |
| 20:23.28 | Pneumatus | you'd have a couple of ret paladins just for BoK |
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| 20:23.47 | alestane | And not only were warriors the only useful tanks, it was almost impossible to be a warrior without tanking. |
| 20:23.52 | nevcairiel | blessings back then was mighty annoying anyway |
| 20:24.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Pneumatus: no, we just made our holy pallies spec into it :P |
| 20:24.03 | Pneumatus | 5 min single target blessings, those were the days :) |
| 20:24.12 | Pneumatus | paladins staying OOC to res, also |
| 20:24.12 | olafski | we had several quite good dps warriors |
| 20:24.29 | nevcairiel | Oh yes |
| 20:24.32 | nevcairiel | that was bad |
| 20:24.42 | nevcairiel | they fixed that though :p |
| 20:24.47 | Pneumatus | until they put in the boss combat pulsing, which hunters could haxx with FD to drink |
| 20:25.26 | olafski | sir nevcairiel sorry to bother you but could you possibly answer my question in #curseforge? :% |
| 20:25.27 | nevcairiel | I remember in BWL, we always had to have 8 holy priests, they would stand around and spam holy nova all the time |
| 20:25.31 | Kraps | idk, SLI doesnt seem to affect my framerate |
| 20:25.49 | olafski | was 60, still 60? |
| 20:25.50 | nevcairiel | on valle |
| 20:26.02 | olafski | nevcairiel: prayer of healing? oO that's what we used anyway |
| 20:26.07 | nevcairiel | olafski: just delete the file :P |
| 20:26.16 | nevcairiel | no, holy nova, it damages the mob too! |
| 20:26.16 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 20:26.18 | Pneumatus | 40-man raids still only took like 12 healers though, which proportionally is less than we take now |
| 20:26.30 | olafski | nevcairiel: I can't find that option anymore.. I know I used it before but I don't see the delete file option now |
| 20:26.38 | olafski | oh, none of our priests specced into holy nova =) |
| 20:26.48 | nevcairiel | it was something for valle |
| 20:26.59 | Pneumatus | and even in a 40man raid, im sure we only had a max of 4 tanks ever |
| 20:27.03 | nevcairiel | i dont remember why anymore |
| 20:27.03 | Pneumatus | maybe 5 for corehoud packs |
| 20:27.04 | zenzelezz | valle? |
| 20:27.09 | olafski | vael +) |
| 20:27.13 | NightHawkTheSane | vael |
| 20:27.20 | zenzelezz | ah, never heard him called that before |
| 20:27.41 | Fisker | NightHawkTheSane |
| 20:27.42 | Fisker | hello |
| 20:27.49 | Pneumatus | YOU HAVE BURNING ADRENALINE |
| 20:27.50 | foxlit | Hey, awesome. The Narain costume masks bear form |
| 20:27.51 | Pneumatus | onoes |
| 20:28.16 | nevcairiel | back then, when an ecnounter was not afraid to kill some people |
| 20:28.34 | zenzelezz | I loved the excitement of Vaelastrasz |
| 20:28.35 | Pneumatus | they were probably balanced around wiping 1/3 of the raid out |
| 20:28.44 | Pneumatus | vael was balanced around wiping almost everyone out |
| 20:28.46 | zenzelezz | who will pull aggro this time? Who will the final tank explode? |
| 20:28.50 | nevcairiel | he sucked when he still had this silly timer |
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| 20:29.54 | Pneumatus | nefarion class call breaking hunter bows was :< |
| 20:29.58 | yoshimo | i dont like bosses that kill you 100% for sure ;) |
| 20:29.59 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 20:30.17 | nevcairiel | i liked nefarian, but druid call was rather pathetic |
| 20:30.31 | nevcairiel | yo, be kitty noaw |
| 20:30.34 | zenzelezz | warrior call never seemed so bad for me, except for the tank |
| 20:30.40 | Pneumatus | warrior one of course was always the most dangerous |
| 20:30.47 | Pneumatus | because the tank was a warrior ~:) |
| 20:30.47 | yoshimo | there is a dk call, isnt there? |
| 20:30.50 | nevcairiel | what was that, stuck in berserker? |
| 20:30.52 | foxlit | Bear, np |
| 20:30.53 | Pneumatus | there is, it grips the raid |
| 20:30.55 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: yeah |
| 20:31.04 | Pneumatus | yeh, warriors were stuck in zerk stance, so taking a crapton more damage |
| 20:31.22 | nevcairiel | I dont remember all the calls anymore. :( |
| 20:31.28 | Pneumatus | warlock was infernals |
| 20:31.31 | foxlit | hunters > * |
| 20:31.32 | Pneumatus | mage was sheeps |
| 20:31.43 | Pneumatus | paladins was bop the boss |
| 20:31.47 | nevcairiel | rogues got ported onto the tank |
| 20:31.51 | olafski | the buyback list now stays if you relog oO |
| 20:31.55 | Pneumatus | yeh, rogues got cleaved |
| 20:31.55 | olafski | or was that already on live |
| 20:32.11 | nevcairiel | what was priests? |
| 20:32.13 | zenzelezz | I accept that WoW raids are more accessible now, and that's good business sense, but I still by far prefer BC's raids over the rest. Maybe they just fitted my play style or psychology |
| 20:32.31 | nevcairiel | yeah, i liked BC more too |
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| 20:33.25 | nevcairiel | Priests are afflicted with Corrupted Healing, causing the targets of any direct heals they cast to be debuffed by Corrupted Healing, dealing 44 to 56 damage every 1 sec |
| 20:33.33 | nevcairiel | that value seems so pathetic small :( |
| 20:33.39 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 20:33.45 | foxlit | it, um, stacks |
| 20:33.51 | nevcairiel | yes, to 50 |
| 20:33.58 | nevcairiel | but even then, thats nothing |
| 20:34.01 | nevcairiel | today, anyway |
| 20:34.07 | foxlit | today everything is nothing |
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| 20:34.13 | zenzelezz | I can recall my first Nefarian fight... survived the initial adds, died on the shadow flame when he landed (didn't have the cloak) |
| 20:34.22 | nevcairiel | i still have mine! |
| 20:34.28 | zenzelezz | so do I =) |
| 20:34.37 | foxlit | Not that you need one |
| 20:34.37 | zenzelezz | my first fight I was asked to come as a trial |
| 20:34.42 | nevcairiel | at some point i even could craft them |
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| 20:34.51 | nevcairiel | but i unlearned leatherworking :( |
| 20:35.54 | nevcairiel | I hope blackwing descent will be fun |
| 20:37.06 | zenzelezz | me too |
| 20:37.07 | nevcairiel | I wonder if they'll let us beta the raids again |
| 20:37.15 | zenzelezz | I always loved the look of BWL |
| 20:37.17 | nevcairiel | or if that experience was bad from wotlk |
| 20:37.36 | foxlit | BWL is visually boring |
| 20:37.52 | foxlit | The balcony is a-ok, but the rest is meh. |
| 20:38.11 | foxlit | It's like they ran out of brown and decided to use red instead. AQ40 is probably the best-looking vanilla raid |
| 20:38.25 | nevcairiel | I always liked naxx |
| 20:38.38 | foxlit | skull. textures. everywhere. |
| 20:38.50 | nevcairiel | aq is too slimy for me |
| 20:39.04 | nevcairiel | although the instance itself was fun |
| 20:39.28 | nevcairiel | cthun was like .. wow back then. |
| 20:39.46 | olafski | still haven't found the delete button btw.. any hint? :P |
| 20:40.01 | alestane | To delete what? |
| 20:40.05 | nevcairiel | since you didnt tell me what project, nop |
| 20:40.29 | olafski | I assumed the delete button is in the same spot for every project =( |
| 20:40.30 | foxlit | Running through low-level zones makes me wish they'd make gray mobs neutral to you |
| 20:40.33 | olafski | it's AutoVendor +) |
| 20:40.46 | olafski | alestane: to delete a packaged release on my project |
| 20:40.50 | Kraps | warriors first ability is called "strike"? |
| 20:41.05 | nevcairiel | foxlit: you have to poke them on the nose to aggro them o.o |
| 20:41.22 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.23 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.23 | nevcairiel | and even if you do, they die of your thorns |
| 20:41.25 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.51 | nevcairiel | olafski: i see the delete button |
| 20:41.59 | Fisker | don't delete me ;( |
| 20:42.13 | foxlit | happens annoyingly often while riding around |
| 20:42.31 | olafski | nevcairiel: :( you know where to look though |
| 20:42.48 | olafski | I assumed it was on the File page.. looked at all the other pages too though I think |
| 20:42.51 | olafski | Files* |
| 20:42.52 | nevcairiel | <file> -> Admin Actions -> Delete |
| 20:43.08 | olafski | bleh found it :$ |
| 20:43.09 | nevcairiel | actually, its "File Management" not admin actions |
| 20:43.26 | olafski | I thought for sure when I clicked the file before, it was downloading.. guess that was on curse |
| 20:43.52 | nevcairiel | you have to click the name of the file in the first column, not the file name in the .. 4th? |
| 20:44.03 | nevcairiel | 6th, actually. But anyhow |
| 20:44.44 | olafski | thanks :) |
| 20:44.53 | nevcairiel | I'm off for the night, baibai |
| 20:45.37 | olafski | nn, me too |
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| 21:10.13 | Fisker | i want horses |
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| 21:16.55 | kd3|netbook | har. so people tried icc10 on the ptr and got roflstomped |
| 21:17.40 | Fisker | how did that happen? |
| 21:19.13 | kd3|netbook | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26725676521&pageNo=7&sid=1#122 |
| 21:19.22 | TC-Work | hard is good |
| 21:20.17 | Kraps | some people on the ptr are talking about H HOR like that too |
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| 21:22.19 | Fisker | So they're going to scale HP across all levels? |
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| 21:28.07 | Kraps | I LOVE WEAPON SKILLS |
| 21:28.34 | Kraps | on the ptr |
| 21:28.53 | foxlit | important qualifier |
| 21:29.04 | Kraps | :) |
| 21:29.21 | Dagmar | Character copy time makes sad panda cut. |
| 21:37.19 | Adys | anyone good with sound? |
| 21:37.22 | Adys | specifically, openal |
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| 21:38.22 | sylvanaar | jnwhiteh: for compactraidframes with clique http://clique.pastey.net/140605 |
| 21:38.46 | jnwhiteh | sylvanaar: someone reported an issue with the last frame in the raid frame. |
| 21:40.41 | sylvanaar | really? |
| 21:40.45 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 21:40.50 | jnwhiteh | i dont know what they were talking about |
| 21:40.51 | jnwhiteh | i'll commit this. |
| 21:40.54 | sylvanaar | hrm, let me test it again |
| 21:41.03 | jnwhiteh | this was all pre-what you said |
| 21:41.06 | jnwhiteh | and i was confused =) |
| 21:42.13 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 21:42.53 | sylvanaar | yeah, no they all work fine |
| 21:45.11 | jnwhiteh | r151 commited |
| 21:45.50 | Fisker | in b4 committed |
| 21:46.58 | TC-Work | you know kd3|netbook, what makes me wonder about that post the most is why people are in the cata beta doing wrath content. |
| 21:47.14 | kd3|netbook | that's a post on the ptr forum |
| 21:47.34 | TC-Work | then what was modified if it wasnt wrath |
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| 21:48.23 | kd3|netbook | the creature damage changes happened level 60+? the same thing happened in 2.0 (patchwork!) and 3.0 |
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| 21:56.16 | KarlKFI|work | http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/09/gamers-make-faster-decisions-than-nongamers-are-just-as-accurate.ars |
| 21:56.54 | KarlKFI|work | ont eh down side, they didn't really compare long to gamers ot the gamers than onyl had 50 hrs training |
| 21:57.01 | KarlKFI|work | long term* |
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| 22:21.50 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/2010/09/13/wow-com-is-moving-to-wow-joystiq-com/ |
| 22:22.14 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 22:22.14 | purl | ~pong |
| 22:22.55 | Kraps | And we will again be known as WoW Insider |
| 22:22.59 | Kraps | lolololo |
| 22:23.28 | Dagmar | Better that than "WoW UpInYa" |
| 22:24.00 | Xyphoid | so what's the plan for wow.com then? giving it to blizzard? |
| 22:24.45 | Arrowmaster | redirect probably |
| 22:25.09 | Dagmar | Sell to IGE for 14.2mil, move to Bahamas, lol |
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| 22:27.08 | Xyphoid | ah, '. Our corporate parent, AOL, owned the WoW.com domain, and about 15 months ago, we migrated our site to that address.' |
| 22:27.11 | Xyphoid | so they've been booted |
| 22:27.45 | Dagmar | I wonder who owns wowinsider.com |
| 22:28.18 | Dagmar | So, it'll be AOL selling that domain to IGE then |
| 22:29.20 | tekkub | they wanted to make a wowhead killer at wow.com some time back before they moved wowins over to it |
| 22:29.51 | tekkub | I think they just scrapped that idea and decided to stay with being a blog |
| 22:30.22 | airtonix | lewl |
| 22:32.03 | Dagmar | five'll getchat ten that AOL sells that domain to someone other than Blizz |
| 22:32.38 | Dagmar | Scratch that, I *know* they'll probably sell it within six months. Hopefully Blizz will wind up withit |
| 22:33.19 | airtonix | 50/50 that the average wow player will go on with their little munchkin lives without giving a shit |
| 22:33.59 | Dagmar | I've a bigger concern that the domain could fool the little pinheads into thinking they can login there |
| 22:34.14 | airtonix | they probably already do |
| 22:34.30 | airtonix | "ged orf tha dang ruf ma!" |
| 22:34.55 | NightHawkTheSane | 30% chance the domain ends up in the hands of some goldfarming company :P |
| 22:35.09 | Dagmar | That's what I'm thinkin' will happen |
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| 22:37.12 | Arrowmaster | im betting they will put a redirect up and then forget about the domain |
| 22:37.23 | Dagmar | While AOL still owns it? |
| 22:37.29 | Arrowmaster | and as soon as it expires it will be a squatter free for all |
| 22:37.31 | Dagmar | You do know they're struggling to pay bills over there, right? |
| 22:37.42 | airtonix | who is AOL ? |
| 22:37.46 | Dagmar | I mean, the endless flood of morons paying $15/month couldn't last forever |
| 22:37.57 | Dagmar | You don't know who AOL is? |
| 22:38.09 | Dagmar | They made enough free floppies to build a bridge to the sun |
| 22:38.14 | airtonix | i forgot who they were when i stopped buying computer magazines |
| 22:38.16 | Arrowmaster | yeah but if they sold the domain to anybody with bad intentions i bet blizzard lawyers would be on them |
| 22:38.31 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: That woudln't even fly |
| 22:38.41 | Dagmar | It's not their responsibility what the new owner does with the domain |
| 22:39.10 | Arrowmaster | yeah but i bet the blizzard lawyers would try anyway |
| 22:39.18 | Dagmar | THey wouldn't. |
| 22:39.47 | NightHawkTheSane | more than likely they'd try and just outbid anyone else. |
| 22:39.53 | Dagmar | This is not like selling a gun, where you've an obligation to make certain the new owner isn't likeyl to go blow their own head off |
| 22:40.19 | Arrowmaster | true, as soon as they find out an auction is going to happen they'll probably just assert their trademark over the domain and take it |
| 22:40.36 | Dagmar | That they may or may not be able to do. "Wow" is a pretty generic word. |
| 22:40.42 | Dagmar | It's why AOL owned it in the first place |
| 22:41.00 | foxlit | wow.com is an official fansite anyhow |
| 22:41.07 | kd3|netbook | they are!? |
| 22:41.15 | foxlit | perhaps/ |
| 22:41.23 | Arrowmaster | but now that it has been used for a world of warcraft site, wow.com will always be associated with world of warcraft |
| 22:41.36 | Arrowmaster | until world of warcraft nolonger exists |
| 22:41.39 | kd3|netbook | news to me... considering all of the nda leaks they were doing |
| 22:41.55 | foxlit | or not. |
| 22:42.26 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I think they'd be referring to that as a "rebranding hurdle" |
| 22:42.42 | Dagmar | One thing AOL has piles of experience with is shilling |
| 22:42.56 | TC-Work | amazing, i just got into 2 beta that i didnt sign up for |
| 22:43.01 | Dagmar | They've got the know how to open a stupid gadget seller site there |
| 22:43.22 | Dagmar | TC-Work: I'll take yer key, specially if the site looks fishy. :) |
| 22:44.28 | Kraps | whats IGE? |
| 22:44.37 | Dagmar | F**king criminals. |
| 22:45.44 | Dagmar | If you want gold in any game, they'll steal it from someone and sell it to you. |
| 22:45.45 | Kraps | and no, wow.com is not an official fansite |
| 22:45.58 | Kraps | Dagmar: sounds pro |
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| 22:48.30 | Kraps | aol shoulda saved money instead of making all those floppies/cds |
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| 22:56.27 | Adys | Anyone has an unpatched version of cataclysm they actually played? |
| 22:56.37 | Adys | looking for 12857, 12804, 12759 |
| 22:56.38 | TC-Work | Dagmar: meh |
| 22:56.46 | TC-Work | i'll keep my key tyvm |
| 22:56.49 | TC-Work | :p |
| 22:57.24 | TC-Work | Adys: unpatched as of when? or are these still from thet other time you asked |
| 22:57.58 | Adys | TC-Work: any version between 12644 and 12857 really |
| 23:00.01 | Shadowed | That's awful |
| 23:00.07 | Shadowed | migrate to a new domain then switch it after a year |
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| 23:02.14 | SqueeG | why is there a skull and crossbones next to my https link at the wowace login page, in chrome? |
| 23:02.27 | Gnarfoz | invalid ssl, apparently? |
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| 23:02.46 | SqueeG | heh, just clicked it |
| 23:02.54 | SqueeG | apparently it's because not all the content is secure? |
| 23:02.57 | TC-Work | Adys: i assume you want the patch? |
| 23:03.01 | Adys | no |
| 23:03.02 | Gnarfoz | mixed content |
| 23:03.03 | Adys | the Cache |
| 23:03.09 | Adys | your Cache folder |
| 23:03.20 | Adys | not in Data/, in the root one |
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| 23:03.48 | TC-Work | Adys: i have a wow-update-12857.MPQ |
| 23:03.52 | TC-Work | ah |
| 23:04.40 | TC-Work | huh, i have nothing there |
| 23:04.53 | Adys | meh |
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| 23:06.07 | Thunder_Child | c'est |
| 23:06.07 | TC-Nix | la |
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| 23:06.14 | TC-Work | vi |
| 23:06.16 | TC-Work | Adys: |
| 23:06.31 | Adys | bie* |
| 23:06.32 | Adys | vie* |
| 23:06.33 | Adys | wtf |
| 23:07.00 | nicoli_s | man i hate days of just bug fixing |
| 23:07.02 | TC-Work | yes, that |
| 23:07.08 | nicoli_s | especially other people's stuff |
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| 23:08.05 | nicoli_s | Adys:how hard would it be for you to expose the dbc structs as json? |
| 23:08.22 | Adys | online, automatically? or just an export? |
| 23:08.45 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/2010/09/13/wow-com-is-moving-to-wow-joystiq-com/comments/30377713/ |
| 23:08.55 | Shadowed | Yea that was linked 30 minutes ago :P |
| 23:08.56 | Adys | former: not hard but too lazy; latter: not hard, I might do it if you ask nicely |
| 23:09.06 | Shadowed | well more like an hour I guess but! |
| 23:09.38 | nicoli_s | mmk, i was just asking, as we scrape stuff from armory, that i feel we could much more easily get from DBCs, but updating the structs is a pain in the ass, and if yer already doing it, itd be cool if we oculd juet get the data from you |
| 23:09.38 | Kraps | Shadowed: i meant the comment :p |
| 23:09.58 | Adys | nicoli_s: I have a structure module in python, entirely independent |
| 23:10.07 | Shadowed | It's a really weird move |
| 23:10.18 | Adys | eg. only the structures are specify, you do the parsing yourself depending on field types |
| 23:10.22 | Shadowed | nicoli_s what are you guys doing from armory scraping? |
| 23:10.28 | Shadowed | generally anything including using sandpaper is easier than the armory |
| 23:10.37 | nicoli_s | Shadowed:our guild hosting site |
| 23:10.48 | Adys | what do you need specifically? |
| 23:10.50 | Adys | from the dbcs |
| 23:10.53 | nicoli_s | nothing in particular |
| 23:10.59 | nicoli_s | its just something i was thinking about |
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| 23:11.09 | nicoli_s | was just gonna see how hard itd be on your end |
| 23:11.16 | Adys | not hard at all |
| 23:11.18 | Adys | but er |
| 23:11.24 | Adys | actually |
| 23:11.26 | nicoli_s | mmk well i might bug you about it again at some point |
| 23:12.09 | nicoli_s | personally id love for us to move away from armory scraping and use more in game data, but our boss doesnt want me to have to deal with having to know when patches go out and spend time figuring out the structs |
| 23:12.18 | Kraps | [07:11:12]<nicoli_s>was just gonna see how hard itd be on your end |
| 23:12.20 | Kraps | [07:11:19]<Adys>not hard at all |
| 23:12.28 | Alram | hot. |
| 23:12.31 | nicoli_s | lol |
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| 23:13.41 | nicoli_s | i totally agree with him though, as ive been figuring out wow data structs for years, its fucking boring as hell these days,so if i could just write an app to use your structs that would be 100x easier |
| 23:14.12 | Adys | nicoli_s |
| 23:14.22 | Adys | http://www.pastethat.com/LXEEl |
| 23:14.24 | Adys | its that simple |
| 23:14.45 | nicoli_s | nice |
| 23:15.17 | Adys | nicoli_s: what kind of ingame data tho? |
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| 23:15.21 | Adys | if its for guild scraping |
| 23:15.48 | nicoli_s | mainly, but we also need data for guild progression and a few other things |
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| 23:16.04 | Adys | so like, encounters.dbc, achievement.dbc ? |
| 23:16.08 | nicoli_s | yah |
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| 23:17.00 | Adys | can do pretty easy |
| 23:17.54 | Adys | nicoli_s: what would be simpler though is to use my lib |
| 23:17.56 | Adys | coughs |
| 23:18.08 | Adys | i mean, I can even set you up guys with an automatic exporter |
| 23:18.15 | Adys | in json or whatever |
| 23:18.18 | Adys | all you need is python |
| 23:18.25 | nicoli_s | yeah, either way would work |
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| 23:18.42 | nicoli_s | i think i know at least enoguh python to get it working, and if not, ckknight def does |
| 23:18.50 | Adys | you barely need any |
| 23:19.17 | Adys | you can pull directly from the curse repos yeah? |
| 23:19.43 | Adys | actually PM |
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| 23:23.28 | Wimpeh | Amg |
| 23:23.31 | Wimpeh | Can people read this? :D |
| 23:23.41 | NightHawkTheSane | nope] |
| 23:23.49 | Wimpeh | YES. Success! \o/ |
| 23:24.42 | TC-Work | i'm not sure that being able to talk in here is 'success' |
| 23:25.19 | Wimpeh | It is |
| 23:25.24 | Wimpeh | Since I kept being kicked off |
| 23:25.27 | Wimpeh | constantly |
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| 23:25.47 | kd3|netbook | indeed |
| 23:25.51 | Wimpeh | :3 |
| 23:26.59 | Kraps | http://www.lotro.com/free.php |
| 23:27.02 | Wimpeh | Amagad so happeh |
| 23:27.52 | Wimpeh | mIRC client disconnected now. IceChat seems to be doing fine. Yay \o/ |
| 23:28.32 | TC-Work | thats just silly Kraps |
| 23:28.43 | Kraps | what is? |
| 23:29.07 | TC-Work | the tiered lotr plan |
| 23:29.22 | TC-Work | the question is do i want to get http://store.steampowered.com/sub/4593/ |
| 23:29.50 | Kraps | wouldnt it have to be tiered? |
| 23:30.07 | TC-Work | or just http://store.steampowered.com/app/32430/ |
| 23:30.41 | TC-Work | Kraps: no, just have all or 'build your own plan' |
| 23:31.10 | Kraps | hmm interesting |
| 23:31.45 | Kraps | none of the mmos that went f2p have that, i think |
| 23:31.56 | TC-Work | i know, silly imop |
| 23:32.00 | TC-Work | imo* |
| 23:32.50 | Kraps | how are those star wars games different from each other? |
| 23:34.27 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, the entire point of freemium mmogs is to encourage more free players to fill out the world so that the real customers have a game that actually qualifies as massively multiplayer |
| 23:34.49 | NightHawkTheSane | adding a whole lot of structure to the paid aspect of it really just beats around that |
| 23:35.11 | TC-Work | Kraps: one is a massive pack the other is one? |
| 23:35.40 | NightHawkTheSane | You may as well have a simple freemium structure as "Free: You get to be content for the real players; Paid: Now you can play on the backs of our new free customers!" |
| 23:35.41 | Kraps | TC-Work: all the ones in the pack i mean? |
| 23:35.42 | Xyphoid | what? i thought the point of freemium games is to get free people playing so they'll pay money in the future for small things |
| 23:35.44 | TC-Work | NightHawkTheSane: i think a build your own plan would help that |
| 23:36.06 | TC-Work | Kraps: uh...some are MMO's some are FPS, some are RTS, one or 2 may be RPG |
| 23:36.28 | Kraps | cool |
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| 23:37.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Xyphoid: if free players eventually graduate to real players, that's great, it certainly lowers the barrier of entry. But ultimately free players only serve to add content & value to the game for real customers. |
| 23:37.22 | Wimpeh | Dexter is a ridiculously good show. Speaking of nothing. Carry on with your discussion. :) |
| 23:37.35 | Kraps | not a stars wars person myself |
| 23:37.47 | TC-Work | most of the games are garbage |
| 23:37.50 | TC-Work | some are quite good |
| 23:38.32 | NightHawkTheSane | TC-Work: obviously get the entire pack. |
| 23:38.40 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, its just $50 |
| 23:38.53 | TC-Work | i passed |
| 23:38.56 | NightHawkTheSane | most of those are pretty decent games, too, if you haven't played em |
| 23:38.57 | TC-Work | i just got the one |
| 23:38.58 | Xyphoid | i dunno from DDO I don't see free players adding much value to people who pay. the point is that you can get money out of the free players later on |
| 23:39.12 | TC-Work | NightHawkTheSane: i have played all but the mmo, and my comments stand |
| 23:39.15 | TC-Work | most are garbage |
| 23:39.45 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* I didn't hate most of them. |
| 23:39.54 | NightHawkTheSane | wouldn't call em works of art or anything, but eh, either way |
| 23:40.13 | TC-Work | not hate, just 'meh' or worse in comparison so similar games |
| 23:47.02 | Wimpeh | Was the cataclysm release date rumour true? 2nd November? I don't even know if it was a rumour, I just heard it from a friend. |
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| 23:49.32 | TC-Work | considering that blizz has more or less trademarked soon to mean anything from now to infinity, and their usual answer is 'soon' i would tend to doubt that. |
| 23:50.16 | Wimpeh | Yeah that's what I thought, and Female Worgens aren't even playable yet (Well, atleast the model is a pink box) unless they added them since I was last on. |
| 23:51.38 | Wimpeh | Also, will all the changes that will occur in Cataclysm occur in patch 4.0 or are they not activated until the actual expansion is? |
| 23:51.44 | Wimpeh | err |
| 23:51.46 | Wimpeh | The changes to the UI |
| 23:51.55 | Wimpeh | such things that will affect addons, |
| 23:52.00 | Arrowmaster | all changes happen in the 4.0 patch |
| 23:52.17 | Wimpeh | Alright. |
| 23:52.32 | Arrowmaster | although this time is a bit different since its not just a zone to unlock on a certain day |
| 23:52.34 | Wimpeh | Thanks, hopefully I won't have to change all too much. |
| 23:53.16 | Arrowmaster | guessing all changes happen on 4.0 patch including the sundering of the world, and the new zones just unlock when you buy the expansion |
| 23:53.46 | Wimpeh | Yeah but I meant the changes to the UI |
| 23:53.51 | KarlKFI|work | FML: <td width = '100%' class="uportal-channel-title"><big style="font-size: 150%; font-weight: 900;"> Application Status </big></td> |
| 23:53.53 | Wimpeh | Things that make me _have_ to update my addon |
| 23:55.03 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: you there |
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| 23:56.38 | alestane | "Happy 25th birthday, Super Mario Bros! Your cake is in another castle." |
| 23:57.14 | Wimpeh | laughs. |
| 23:59.04 | Arrowmaster | 4 hours till Reach |
| 23:59.39 | Xyphoid | Arrowmaster: 'Patch 4.0.1 is slated to be released prior to Cataclysm and will not include the changes to the old world or any content exclusive to Cataclysm.' |
