IRC log for #wowuidev on 20100307

00:00.06zenzelezzargent something I think
00:00.07DagmarThose hodir guys I thought
00:00.13DWSRDagmar: Shoulders
00:00.16DWSRI want head.
00:00.18DWSR>.<
00:00.21DWSRinb4 jokes.
00:00.22DWSRFuck you
00:00.28Dagmarhehe
00:00.59zenzelezzhttp://www.wowhead.com/?item=50369
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00:05.55Fiskerbitch king DWSR
00:06.08DWSR~whalenuke Fisker
00:06.09purlACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Fisker with his mind powers.
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00:29.01DWSRZorbaTHut: Holy shit.
00:29.22ZorbaTHutevery one of the dungeon factions has a head enchant or two
00:29.33ZorbaTHut(admittedly the second one is a crappy resist enchant)
00:29.58ZorbaTHutI forget who has the tanking enchant offhand. Argent Crusade, I think.
00:31.07DWSRZorbaTHut: Not even defense capped yet.
00:31.10DWSRAnd tanking heroics
00:31.22ZorbaTHutyeah it's easier than you'd really think
00:31.46ZorbaTHutpartially because healers are so hugely overgeared
00:31.51ZorbaTHutas is DPS
00:32.32DWSRyeah
00:34.05DWSRStill, I'm with my guild's healer, and she is impressed that I'm taking so little damage.
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00:51.55DWSRI AN TANK! :D
00:51.58DWSRAM*
00:52.12DWSRThese instaqueues are fucking hot.
00:58.22DagmarJust make sure your first words to the new group are just that...
00:58.25Dagmar"I AN TANK!"
00:58.32DWSRLOL
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00:58.34*** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ
00:58.41DWSRLopeppeppy! *huggles*
00:58.43DWSRI AN TANK!
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00:59.29LopeppeppyExcellent news, DWSR!  What flavor?
00:59.41DWSRThe dual wield variety.
01:00.01LopeppeppyAh, tanking with your face.  Can get the job done.
01:00.12DWSRApparently very well, too.
01:00.22DWSRJust blew through H DTK in 15 minutes.
01:00.38Shiriktackles Lopeppeppy
01:00.50LopeppeppyEvening, Shirik
01:01.09mikmanow i'm not tired when i get home, but in the strip-bar i was tired.
01:01.46mikmalife is cruel
01:01.51DagmarYou should probably check your windows for treatments
01:01.58DagmarYou might have caught the gay
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01:02.16mikmaohnoes, need teh antigay pills and shots
01:02.32DagmarI wasn't aware anyone had perfected those yet
01:02.41DWSROnce you go gay?
01:02.47LopeppeppyDude, no one will take me to a strip bar.  *pouts*
01:02.58DWSRLopeppeppy: Do you need a strip bar? You're on IRC ffs.
01:03.09DWSRJust be like "WTT picz."
01:03.11Dagmarworries about DWSR
01:03.23ShirikLopeppeppy wants to go to a strip bar? o.o
01:03.31DWSRDagmar: I got laid so much this week that my pelvis is somewhat sore.
01:03.43mikmamy wife dragged me in there. i wanted to go home and sleep
01:03.52DagmarAhh...
01:03.55DWSRyep, definitely the gay virus.
01:04.02DagmarYep.  Internal conflict.  That'll do it.
01:04.28DagmarMy ex kept claiming she wanted to go into a strip club.
01:04.31Shirikcogwheel I need your help when you stop being afk/hating me
01:04.31alestaneLopeppeppy: Have you asked them?
01:04.41DagmarI, however, can't drink enough to get THAT stupid.
01:04.52DagmarInsanely jealous redhead + strip bar == hahahha no
01:04.59cogwheelShirik: no i haven't
01:05.06Shirik:(
01:05.08Shiriky not
01:05.17cogwheelcuz i dun haev a teem
01:05.26Shirikneccisito ayudar!
01:06.18LopeppeppyShirik, I would totally go to a strip bar.  I'm all about "let's go experience this".  But I would make sure my whole group were good tippers.
01:06.38LopeppeppyDagmar, I'm a highly jealous redhead, I'd still love to go to a strip bar with my boyfriend.
01:06.53DWSRThat's what you want to think.
01:06.54DagmarLopeppeppy: You are however, not apparently _insane_
01:07.01mikmawell my wife, her brother and fiancee, and our friend persuaded me into going. the brother of wifes brothers fiancee is the doorman and let us in no charge =D
01:07.15Lopeppeppyalestane, totally have.  BF has no interest in strip joints, the ex only went to them when he was in Vegas and I wasn't there.  *le pout*
01:07.28DagmarYou may have thought I was being specious when I used that word, but let me assure you, if I had taken that girl into a strip club, I would have caught hell for looking at the girls even if I'd stayed outside in the damn car.
01:07.37LopeppeppyI'm not, for all intents and purposes, insane.  I am sligtly crazy from time to time, but not insane.
01:08.04LopeppeppyI would totally be staring at the girls myself.  It's only polite to look at the show, if I'm to tip them on the performance afterward.
01:08.08DagmarIn Vegas ther'es something novel you can do in a strip bar
01:08.12DagmarYou can drink without going broke.
01:08.36DagmarOver at Cheetahs they'll do $5 shots, which doesn't involve any sort of shot glass at all, and $5 gets you two.
01:08.42Dagmar:)
01:08.43alestaneLopeppeppy: So we know what to grab Cairenn and Lunessa and go looking for next time we're at BlizzCon then.
01:09.02LopeppeppyYes, I will go to strip bars at BlizzCon with peoples I trust.
01:09.28ScytheBlade1reads up and blinks
01:09.44ScytheBlade1I can honestly say I never expected that.
01:09.55DagmarGenerally at a strip club you can spend $50 on four drinks and still be sober enough to drive in all fifty states.
01:10.29LopeppeppyI would not drink at the strip club.  I would be the designated driver.  Or designated walker.  Or whatever.
01:10.33cogwheelvegas has much more interesting displays of titties than strip clubs, imo
01:10.45mikmagayyyyy
01:10.48LopeppeppyI will go to those with you, cogwheel.  Show me what is interesting.
01:11.09Dagmarcogwheel: Yeah but the cabbies make jokes aobut whether or not they should just wait outside
01:11.13LopeppeppyThis is sort of like "I will eat anything that is not poisonous or likely to be so"
01:11.45cogwheelmiki and i went to a show called Bite at the stratosphere and Zumanity by cirque du soleil
01:11.59cogwheel(miki = mrs cog's nick)
01:12.11cogwheel(used to typing that in guild chat now ><)
01:12.30DagmarThe last time we went to a strip club in Vegas the doorman reminded us of the drink minimum and we waved 'con badges at him
01:12.49Dagmar"I'm sorry, I'm afraid we intended on being considerably more drunk than that"
01:13.23mikmadagmar: "you must be atleast this drunk to enter"
01:13.33foxlithttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23425589813&sid=1#5 << wait, what?
01:13.55DagmarWe weren't drunk when we got there.  We were just getting started.  I was like "Hmm... yes, that minimum thing.   Let's have that now as a warm-up"
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01:14.13LopeppeppyI'd like to see a Cirque show.  Very pretty.
01:16.16mikmai'd like to see Tosca
01:16.24DagmarI liked Blue Man Group
01:16.32ShadowedBlue Man Group was fun
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01:21.48LopeppeppyAvenue Q would also be fun.
01:21.54ShadowedAvenue Q is also fun!
01:22.00Lopeppeppyjinx
01:22.08Shadowedwhat, that's not a jinx
01:22.36Lopeppeppymaybe I have some lag, 'cause your comment came at exactly the same time as mine.
01:22.43Lopeppeppywhich makes it a jinx, not a response.  :)
01:23.07ShadowedI think the rules of jinxs requires it to be the same message, not different :P
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01:24.01ShadowedAt least where I saw it, Avenue Q was good even in cheap seats
01:25.53ShadowedAlthough that's going to wildly vary, so mentioning that was rather useless
01:27.04Krapshai gusy
01:27.05LopeppeppyI just don't like to go to those things alone, parking lots in the dark alone and all not being wicked smart.
01:27.43ShadowedGuilt!
01:28.07DagmarBeing wicked smart alone doesn't protect you in a darkened parking lot.
01:28.23DagmarBeing armed and wicked smart, however, is a perfectly workable combination.
01:28.39Shadowednot always
01:28.40DagmarShoot first, do calculus later.
01:28.44LopeppeppyI do not have a license to carry, and the only armed I would consider safe would be a sawed off shotgun.
01:28.57LopeppeppyBoom and zoom, that's my motto.
01:29.26Shadowedkeeps in mind to not be near Lopeppeppy if she has a weapon
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01:31.10LopeppeppyIf I ever decided to use one, it would not be to gently injure someone so that local law enforcement could take them into custody.
01:32.01DagmarJust keep the barrel.
01:32.16Dagmar"sawed off" means they take you into custody.
01:32.28LopeppeppyYeah... they don't approve of modified weaponry.
01:32.44LopeppeppyHmm.  But I handle a shoulder or hip recoil much better than a wrist recoil.
01:32.46Dagmar...an they take a dim view of improvised weaponry as well.
01:32.49Corrodiasa handgun is plenty to stop somebody
01:33.02Shadowedsawed off = less aim is the point I'd imagine
01:33.11LopeppeppyI hate to have to aim.
01:33.12Adys[2. Trade] [Moonpig]: Dancing naked for 3g!
01:33.12Adys[2. Trade] [Infobot]: Selling tissue for 1g. Im next to moonpig in stormwind
01:33.12Corrodiasthey take a dim view of anything you do. you just have to make sure you know what you're doing is legal.
01:33.13Adys\o/
01:33.13DagmarBreath spray that just _happens_ to be flammable is going to be problematic.
01:33.31Lopeppeppyooopsies officer, I didn't know!
01:33.48Shadowed"The barrel just sawed itself off"
01:33.48Lopeppeppy*innocent blink*
01:33.55Adyssaws Shadowed off
01:34.01LopeppeppyRawr?
01:34.07Adysoyes
01:34.12ShadowedI wouldn't trust you with a pack of cards, let alone a saw Adys
01:34.18Adyswhat if i use mine
01:34.24ShadowedI'd trust you less
01:34.30harlwoof
01:34.36Adyswhat if I have it right now, right here
01:34.46Shadowedstill no
01:34.49ShadowedYou can use it on Fisker however
01:35.00Adyswhat if I have a deck of cards glued on top of it?!
01:35.19LopeppeppyI'll just use the shotgun, you keep the saw.
01:35.39Adyswhat if i also have a bunch of sharks
01:35.40Shadowedsaw and shutgon, wise choice
01:35.43Shadowedmelee and range
01:35.47Adyswith frikin shotguns on their heads
01:36.33LopeppeppyOooh, sharks are sexy.
01:36.48LopeppeppyI hear there's a casino at Vegas with a huge aquarium, including sharks.  I wish to go there.
01:37.11Adyscan you feed the animals?
01:37.29Krapshttp://forthebubbles.wordpress.com/2010/02/05/friday-venn-diagram/
01:37.55Adyskraps, lame
01:38.34Kraps"not even remotely possible" made me lol
01:38.57LopeppeppyI could feed the tourists to the animals, maybe.
01:39.58ShadowedI like that plan
01:40.00ShadowedI'd like to help
01:40.18AdysI'd like to feed you to Shirik
01:40.37ShadowedBack to your cage Adys
01:40.40LopeppeppyAhem, I do fine on my own, I needs no pimping!
01:40.51Adyswhat if there is a saw in my cage Shadowed
01:41.03ShadowedWhat if I send Fisker to you
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01:41.10DWSR~whalenuke Fisker
01:41.11purlACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Fisker with his mind powers.
01:41.13Adyswhat if we make sweet love and have a baby?
01:41.14ShadowedBut, but, feeding tourists to sharks sounds fun Lopeppeppy :(
01:41.17Adysand then throw this baby on you?
01:41.19Shadowedthe world ends Adys
01:41.30Adysyeah I wasnt gonna do that anyway
01:42.56LopeppeppyI love the idea myself, Shadowed.  I'm in a cranky mood this weekend, it's great to think of mayhem.
01:43.18ShadowedCould it be expanded to feeding other people to said sharks
01:43.19Shadowedlike Adys
01:43.43Lopeppeppybut I don't know Adys, to feed him to sharks.
01:44.08Adyswhat if Im a shark
01:44.27Shadowedwe feed you to a bigger shark
01:44.36AdysWHAT IF YOU CANT FIND ONE
01:44.39AdysRIGHT
01:44.41ShadowedCreate one
01:44.42AdysWHAT YOU DO NOW
01:44.46Adysthats so lame
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01:46.04Shadowedhaha godaddy are such crooks
01:46.19DWSRNEEDS MOAR TANK
01:46.21DWSRRAWR
01:49.16LegorolVery cool, this dropped for me: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=52019
01:55.54Adysshadowed
01:56.01Adyshow do you set the map to another map?
01:56.05Adysi mean
01:56.17Adysi open the map, i want to set it to another arbitrary map like AV
01:57.03Shadowed!api SetMap
01:57.04lua_botFound 4 possible results for 'SetMap': SetMapZoom, CommentatorSetMapAndInstanceIndex, SetMapByID, SetMapToCurrentZone
01:57.10Adyshurray
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01:57.12Adys!api getmap
01:57.12lua_botFound 7 possible results for 'getmap': GetMapOverlayInfo, CommentatorGetMapInfo, GetMapZones, GetMapLandmarkInfo, GetMapDebugObjectInfo, GetMapInfo, GetMapContinents
01:57.15Adys!api getmapinfo
01:57.16lua_botFound 2 possible results for 'getmapinfo': CommentatorGetMapInfo, GetMapInfo
01:57.19ShadowedDon't think those are right
01:57.19Adysfu
01:57.22Arathros!api StatusBar
01:57.23Adys!api getmapinfo()
01:57.23lua_botFound 12 possible results for 'StatusBar': StatusBar:SetStatusBarColor, StatusBar:SetStatusBarTexture, StatusBar:SetValue, StatusBar:GetOrientation, StatusBar:SetRotatesTexture, StatusBar:SetMinMaxValues, StatusBar:GetRotatesTexture, StatusBar:GetMinMaxValues, StatusBar:SetOrientation, StatusBar:GetStatusBarTexture, StatusBar:GetValue, StatusBar:GetStatusBarColor
01:57.23lua_botFound 2 possible results for 'getmapinfo()': CommentatorGetMapInfo, GetMapInfo
01:57.31Adysdfgdfg
01:57.35Adys!api rgetmapinfo()
01:57.36lua_botCommentatorGetMapInfo: This is a Blizzard internal function (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CommentatorGetMapInfo)
01:57.51ShadowedSetMapZoom/SetDungeonMapLevel and GetCurrentMapContinent/GetCurrentMapZone/GetCurrentMapDungeonLevel
01:57.52DWSRWTB a bot that doesn't fucking generate links with a ) at the end.
01:58.11Arathros!api 'StatusBar':
01:58.12lua_botCould not find a match for ''StatusBar':'.
01:58.12foxlitDWSR: WTS a client that doesn't consider ) as part of a link
01:58.24AdysDWSR: WTS a cl
01:58.27Adysdammit foxlit
01:59.05foxlitBut they're trouble when you get linked to http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_(website)
01:59.20Adystechnically its more correct
01:59.46Adysafaik the rfc says ( and ) should be uriencoded
02:00.10DWSRAdys: Because everything follows the RFCs.
02:00.15foxlitAdys: mine doesn't cut the link at (, though
02:00.22foxlitSo it's broken either way.
02:00.23Adysmine does (xchat)
02:00.41LopeppeppyI read "urinecoded"
02:00.47DWSRLopeppeppy: Yes.
02:00.55foxlitAnyhow, morning.
02:01.00LopeppeppyPeeing on things is hilarious.
02:01.02Adys!api getmapdebug
02:01.04lua_botGetMapDebugObjectInfo: This is a Blizzard internal function (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetMapDebugObjectInfo)
02:01.04DWSRAdys: The ( isn't part of the link here, but the ) is, as I would expect.
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02:02.36Adys!api debug
02:02.38lua_botFound 34 possible matches for 'debug'.  Please be more specific
02:02.41Adys><
02:02.43Adys!api zzold
02:02.44lua_botCould not find a match for 'zzold'.
02:02.45Lopeppeppyyeah fu
02:02.49Adysthats terrible
02:03.28AdysShadowed: is there a way to get a list of maps
02:03.31Adyslisting that is
02:03.34Adyslike a getmapbyid
02:03.43ShadowedFor instances?
02:03.46Shadowednot that I know of
02:03.47Adysfor anything
02:04.03ShadowedDon't know the API offhand, but there is one for the dropdown yes
02:04.19Adys!api getzone
02:04.20lua_botFound 2 possible results for 'getzone': GetZonePVPInfo, GetZoneText
02:04.26Adys!api getarea
02:04.26lua_botGetAreaSpiritHealerTime: Returns the time remaining until a nearby battleground spirit healer resurrects all players in its area (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetAreaSpiritHealerTime)
02:05.06Adys!api getmapzones
02:05.07lua_botGetMapZones: Returns the map zones for a given continent (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetMapZones)
02:06.26DWSRI just met a Gearscore elitefag
02:06.40DWSRAND NO THAT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE OFFENSIVE AT ALL.
02:06.58Adys!api getcont
02:06.59lua_botFound 12 possible results for 'getcont': GetContainerItemDurability, GetContainerItemID, GetContainerItemGems, GetContainerNumFreeSlots, GetContainerItemLink, GetContainerItemInfo, GetContainerItemCooldown, GetContainerNumSlots, Path:GetControlPoints, GetContainerItemPurchaseItem, GetContainerFreeSlots, GetContainerItemPurchaseInfo
02:07.02Adys!api getcontinent
02:07.03lua_botCould not find a match for 'getcontinent'.
02:07.10ShadowedAdys you do realize you could save time by just checking the Lua files right
02:07.11Shadowedas amusing as this is
02:07.16DWSR^^
02:07.23cbreakone of my Auction alts is still in trade chat... in the few minutes I played her, I saw at least two dozen GS raid spams
02:07.23DWSROr just checking WoWProgramming?
02:07.32Adysi'd check wowprogramming
02:07.42Adysbut jnwhiteh STILL hasnt done a decent search function
02:07.51Adysmurders jnwhiteh
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02:08.08Adysand i dont have access to the luas right now, im ingame and i cant open mpqs
02:08.52DWSRAdys: Wowprogramming.com/api/ Ctrl + F.
02:08.53DWSRBAI
02:09.29AdysThe node by this name does not exist, but you can create it. Please pick one of the node types below.
02:09.31AdysBAI
02:09.41alestaneType /run for name, var in pairs(_G) do if name:lower():find("continent") then print(name) end end
02:09.58Adyssee DWSR
02:10.02Adysalestane is more helpful than you!
02:12.48Adyswell there we go
02:12.57Adys57 coins gathered
02:13.10Adysdone all the elders except a few in northrend and the dungeons ones
02:14.10LopeppeppyWoot
02:14.11DagmarI say next year we tag the oldsters with GPS so there doesn't need to be some epic search effort to find out where they wandered off too.
02:14.17alestane!api GetCurrentMap
02:14.17lua_botFound 5 possible results for 'GetCurrentMap': CommentatorGetCurrentMapID, GetCurrentMapDungeonLevel, GetCurrentMapZone, GetCurrentMapAreaID, GetCurrentMapContinent
02:14.54alestane^ obtained using the above outlined method.
02:15.17AdysGetCurrentMapAreaID
02:15.18Adyshuh
02:15.28Adysthats interesting
02:15.33Adys!api areaid
02:15.33lua_botFound 2 possible results for 'areaid': GetQuestWorldMapAreaID, GetCurrentMapAreaID
02:15.39AdysOh win
02:15.41Adysafks
02:17.27Arathrosi would love to be all lua. but the book doesnt show at any point how to make the benign items correctly.. only createframe Frame anad button. but nothing else.. rest is xml in the book so far
02:17.46Krapshttp://notalwaysright.com/not-usually-compared/4547
02:18.19AdysKraps: lol
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02:20.26DWSRhrm.
02:20.41DWSRWoW's kicking me out without getting disconnected from the web, and it's letting me back in instantly.
02:20.48DWSRI think someone's trying to hack my account.
02:21.22Adysthat would be me
02:25.45*** join/#wowuidev Stew-a (~Stewart@unafilliated/stewa/x-008753)
02:26.11ZorbaTHutdwsr, got an authenticator?
02:26.37DWSRyes
02:26.42DWSRWhich is why I'm really worried.
02:26.47DWSRI have scanned my computer, but
02:27.11ZorbaTHutif you're actually *getting disconnected*, I can't imagine any authenticator hack that could do that
02:27.18ZorbaTHutlike, after logging in
02:27.21Adysyeah zorba is right
02:27.29Adystry create a new character
02:27.35DWSRNo, I'm getting disconnected after a few minutes in game.
02:27.39ZorbaTHutthe authenticator hack that exists does so by crashing WoW (or killing the connection) before you send a message in.
02:27.44ZorbaTHutyeah that's just a flaky internet connection.
02:27.58AdysZorbaTHut: doesnt it just redirect the packets?
02:28.02Adyswell swap them
02:28.06DWSRZorbaTHut: Can't be. I'm connected in vent listening to a music stream and it's not skipping
02:28.11ZorbaTHutadys, I heard crash WoW, but
02:28.21ZorbaTHutdwsr, internet connections can be flaky in many subtle ways
02:28.43AdysDWSR: try another character anyway
02:28.44Adysor server
02:29.06alestanehttp://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/03/06/funny-pictures-the-feline-dynasty/
02:29.38Krapshttp://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wowanniversary/interview/palehoof.xml
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02:31.59DWSRZorbaTHut: The other thing is that it's not a "lag, then disconnect"
02:32.03DWSRIt's an "instant dump to the login"
02:32.13DWSRWith the former being what I associate with a flaky internet connection.
02:32.25DWSRIt sounds like there's something else wrong, other than just some packet loss
02:33.51ZorbaTHutI've actually had that happen to me also
02:33.57ZorbaTHutnever figured out what caused it, it stopped eventually.
02:34.01ZorbaTHutI do not believe it's a hacking issue.
02:34.20DWSRI'd rather be safe
02:34.23DWSRetc
02:35.49AdysZorbaTHut: it can be a heavy load on the cpu
02:36.21DWSRAdys: as i said, i'm doing other stuff as well.
02:36.27ZorbaTHuteh, I'd be walking around middle-of-nowhere questing and it would boot me
02:36.37Adysit's one of the possibilities i mean
02:36.42DWSRI was in dungeons.
02:36.45ZorbaTHutoh, possible
02:37.05Adysunder heavy cpu load, the stream can desync
02:37.05DWSRbtw ZorbaTHut
02:37.09DWSRTanking is addicting.
02:37.11DWSRHoly shit.
02:37.23ZorbaTHutyeah it is :)
02:37.24DWSRSo is letting scrub DPS run around in panic.
02:37.33Adysyou get dc'd after a few seconds of running in the void
02:37.57alestaneWhat I said is, I don't need any meters to know if I'm doing a good job when I'm tanking.
02:37.59DWSRAdys: This was an *immediate* disconnect.
02:38.12DWSRalestane: No, you don't.
02:38.13ZorbaTHutyeah I've had the immediate thing
02:38.24DWSRalestane: OTOH, meters help you
02:38.24alestaneIf I need to do a better job of tanking, I know right away because I SEE DEAD PEOPLE.
02:38.26AdysDWSR: then, you can be spamming something
02:38.29Adyscould be an addon
02:38.29ZorbaTHutalestane, it can help in raids so you can know if your threat is comfortably above everyone else
02:38.44DWSRAdys: Haven't changed my setup in probably a month in terms of features.
02:39.36DWSRBlah.
02:39.40DWSRI need a decent set of tanking pants.
02:39.46DWSRSuggestions? There's none for emblems.
02:39.56AdysIm out of ideas
02:40.00alestaneThis is a job for emergency pants.
02:40.09ZorbaTHutdwsr, VH heroic
02:40.11DWSRI restarted WoW.
02:40.14DWSRZorbaTHut: Which boss?
02:40.19ZorbaTHutlast boss
02:40.22Adysbut there are multiple reasons why you could get dc'd
02:40.30DWSRLOL
02:40.31ZorbaTHutit's usually last boss for all the non-new heroics, since that's the only boss that drops a purple item
02:40.37ZorbaTHutthe rest all drop blue items
02:40.45DWSRI can't queue for any heroics specifically.
02:40.47DWSRDone them all today.
02:41.10ZorbaTHutwell, keep farming or wait until tomorrow ;)
02:42.02DWSRWhat's target hit for DW in numbers?
02:42.12DWSRIt's like 8%, but what is that in rating?
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02:42.42ZorbaTHutit's like 27%
02:42.45ZorbaTHutcheck wowwiki
02:42.51DWSRZorbaTHut: Yeah, if I wanted to cap out.
02:42.53DWSRWhich I don't/can't.
02:42.56ZorbaTHutalso, as a tank, you don't care about hit, you care about expertise :P
02:43.08DWSR:o
02:43.12DWSRSexy armor trinket for emblems?!?
02:43.18DWSRIt has sex.
02:43.28ZorbaTHutyeah I seem to recall that's a good one
02:43.35DWSR1.7k armor.
02:43.38ZorbaTHutanyway, heading afk now :)
02:43.38DWSROn a trinket NOM NOM NOM
02:45.55DWSRDoes the defense number on the paper doll take into account Runes?
02:53.23alestaneIt should include any number that's currently feeding into your defense rating or skill.
03:00.30LegorolDWSR: what class are you gearing up for tanking?
03:00.57Legoroloh i see, a death knight
03:01.10Legorolin that case, decent tanking pants are available for emblems: the T9 tanking pants
03:02.34Legorolif you are doing dw frost tanking and have the appropriate talents, you need 5% hit (about 165 hit rating), and for death knights softcapping hit is slightly more important than other tanks, so it's worth doing
03:03.17Legoroland yes, rune of SG is included in the defense value displayed on your char sheet
03:04.05Legorolnote that getting 165 hit rating will soft cap your melee hits, but won't cap your spell hits, so your IT/HB etc. can still miss
03:05.41DWSRyeah, I know. :P
03:05.48DWSRTrust me, I know all about spell hit from my warlock. :P
03:07.20alestaneWho does one talk to, anyway, for these magical T9 pieces for emblems?
03:07.58DWSRHrm.
03:08.18DWSRMy WoW copy tried to alloc 92mb of memory.
03:08.22DWSRand then proceeded to crash
03:08.31DWSRmethinks there are issues.
03:09.06Arrowmasterhttp://www.amazon.com/Record-Agarest-War-Limited-Xbox-360/dp/B00354NBF4
03:09.09ArrowmasterWHAT THE FUCK
03:09.37Arrowmasterread the caption at the top of the box about it being a limited edition, and then notice the ESRB rating
03:10.12Shadowedhaha
03:10.22Shadowedmaybe it's not that naughty
03:10.25DWSR"Curious how one of Agarests lovely ladies feels about you? Look no further than the Affection Gauge" <-- WTB this in real life.
03:10.57DWSRsrsly.
03:11.06DWSRI want an affection gauge in real life.
03:11.11Thunder_Childi like how the diff between 'M' and 'AO' is one year
03:11.28alestaneAnd sex, generallt.
03:11.52Thunder_Childno...doesnt matter if you are male of female
03:12.00alestaneAll the violence in the world will buy you an M rating, but it won't secure you an AO unless there's some naughtiness to go with it.
03:12.11Thunder_Childnope
03:12.17Lopeppeppymmm, naughty violent sex?
03:12.20Thunder_ChildMATURE
03:12.20Thunder_ChildTitles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.
03:12.20Thunder_ChildADULTS ONLY
03:12.20Thunder_ChildTitles rated AO (Adults Only) have content that should only be played by persons 18 years and older. Titles in this category may include prolonged scenes of intense violence and/or graphic sexual content and nudity.
03:12.34alestaneThunder_Child: I know the definition.
03:12.35Thunder_Childbut seriously, 17 vs. 18?
03:12.35sylvanaarcan anyone recommend a good Groovy console
03:12.42Arrowmasteralestane: didnt manhunt2 have to tone down the violence to get an M instead of an AO
03:12.46alestaneFind me a game rated AO solely for the violence of its content.
03:12.49Thunder_Childalestane: obviously not
03:12.51sylvanaar- rempote cnsole, like telnet
03:12.54DagmarStill not enough interest to make me buy an XBox.
03:13.22DagmarArrowmaster: I think Manhunt2 had to tone down the violence to get hardcore gamers to even consider playing it
03:13.38alestaneThere may be a couple, but the vast majority of AO ratings are issued for sexual material, not for violence alone.
03:14.03DagmarThere's such a thing as too much violence in a video game, and for most people Manhunt was way past it
03:14.04Corrodiasvast majority? how many games get that rating?
03:14.14ArrowmasterDagmar: no clue i never played it, although ive heard the Wii version is the one with the least edits
03:14.20DagmarCorrodias: Not enough to make it something you can usefully shop for
03:14.46DagmarArrowmaster: I coulnd't really stand the first one, and I only know of a few people who played it all the way through.
03:14.51alestaneWhich ties once again into the whole concept of "We live in a culture where sex is rated 18+ and brutal violence is rated 15+. WTF is up with our priorities, people?"
03:15.07ArrowmasterCorrodias: no major brick and mortar store will sell AO games
03:15.10LopeppeppyDon't get me started, alestane.
03:16.13DWSRLopeppeppy: lulzorz.
03:16.24DagmarWhat would be the real teller would be if Ubisoft made one that was AO
03:16.32DWSRSomething that's totally natural and legal is 18+, but something completely immoral and illegal is only 15+, yeah.
03:16.34DWSRinorite?
03:16.37DagmarWould people _really_ play it, knowing that the entire time, Ubisoft is watching them.
03:16.58DagmarPeople who aren't regulars on 4chan that is.
03:17.38DagmarDWSR: Might have something to do with the fact that f**king is a felony if one of yas is under 18 anyway
03:17.41DWSRthose aren't people.
03:17.52DagmarBeating the crap out of a kid is just a misdemeanor tho
03:17.55DWSRDagmar: You have a shit country.
03:17.58DWSRSex here is 14+
03:18.18alestaneUbisoft might be able to make a game that earned an AO for violence only. And Manhunt came pretty close, largely because I believe the premise of the game involves playing a savage psychopath.
03:18.19DagmarC'mon man... $87 isn't that big of a fine to pay for smacking some smart-ass 15-year-old to the ground
03:18.39Dagmaralestane: Oddly, _you're_ not hte savage psycopath
03:18.44CorrodiasDagmar: is that all it is? oh shit, we could make a night of it!
03:18.48DagmarSomeone else is pulling your strings the whole time
03:19.05alestaneBut most of the really boundary-pushing games in terms of acceptable actions are also not commercially successful.
03:19.22DagmarCorrodias: Oh believe me I've flashed a pair of fifties before to shut some kid up
03:19.46alestaneCuster's Revenge was a financial failure as well as an artistic failure.
03:19.59Corrodiasa shit game is a shit game, true
03:20.14Shadowedalestane: You got to love society
03:20.30alestaneTrying to attract customers based solely on shock value is ultimately not sustainable.
03:20.41DagmarI prolly could have dealt with the first Manhunt if it weren't for the gibbering maniac crowing about how great the kills were over loudspeakers
03:20.57DagmarLord knows Thief involved a lot more unfair fighting
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03:21.46Arrowmasteryou call that unfair?
03:22.05DagmarAn arrow through the neck of someone who has no idea I'm anywhere nearby?  Absolutely.
03:22.25ShadowedIf they want fair they shouldn't be a guard
03:22.31DagmarYeah that too
03:22.34Corrodiassome people get so uppity about other people enjoying things that have nothing to do with them
03:22.38Corrodias"bigots"
03:22.42Dagmar"virgins"
03:22.42Thunder_Childunfair only works in places that have rules
03:22.47Corrodias^5 Dagmar
03:22.47Arrowmasteri did a nokill noalert MGS4, i could have gone for just no alert to make it truely unfair
03:22.49Corrodiaswait, i'm a virgin
03:22.53Dagmarhehe
03:22.59Arrowmasterbut ive done the same in many games, where nobody ever sees me
03:24.46Corrodiasi don't even care if someone plays a game about shoving babies into my ass
03:24.53Corrodiasas long as they're not actually, you know, trying to do that
03:25.11Thunder_Childi dunno Corrodias, you might enjoy it
03:25.17Adyswhy would you play a game about shoving babies into your ass?
03:25.19Corrodiasperhaps; i've never tried it
03:25.26Thunder_Childexactly
03:25.36DagmarCheck NewGrounds tomorrow.
03:25.44Corrodiasi'll be there, hot stuff.
03:25.57alestaneThis is an excellent discussion for those who are interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFywW99Uvwc
03:26.16AdysThis video may not be suitable for minors.
03:26.21Thunder_Childno can do alestane, that requires effort
03:26.27Corrodiasoh, my favorite kind of video
03:27.19Adyslawl i remember the game he talks about
03:27.21Adysfrom avgn :/
03:27.24alestaneIt's not particularly adult (except for the intelligent discussion) but it does require signing into youtube.
03:27.38DagmarIf you have a gmail account, you can sign into YouTube
03:30.40Thunder_Childi see cogwheel comes back from away just for that
03:31.15Arrowmasterhow bad does a game have to be that you can get it for $2.26 + $7.99shipping or $11.49 with free shipping on amazon
03:31.23DagmarI need a text translation of that
03:31.38DagmarThe guy is making too many salient points to keep up with the helium-huffing-hamster-filter
03:31.57Thunder_Childfuck that Arrowmaster, how bad is it that they charge you $8 for shipping
03:32.03ThraeOK how about this for an addon idea -- with all the random PUGs out there, why not an addon that lets you automatically explain boss fights?
03:32.16LopeppeppyThere have been those already.
03:32.22ArrowmasterThunder_Child: its not from amazon but one of the private stores they list
03:32.25LopeppeppyWe used one... a year and a half ago.
03:32.34DagmarThrae: Wouldn't it be easier to just douse yourself in kerosene and go straight to an Arsonists Anonymous meeting?
03:32.40Thunder_ChildArrowmaster: i understood that
03:32.55ThraeDagmar: I guess you have a full party everytime you do a Random? ;)
03:33.11Arrowmasterbut i agree listing it for $2.26 and charging that much for shipping is a scam
03:33.17ThraeLopeppeppy: Do you remember what it was called?
03:33.27Dagmar*Anything* you coded into it as instructions for a fight would be met with tons of asshats posting and complaining that your technique is inefficient, that you're a noob, and that everyone else can do it with one AFK paladin and a warlock
03:33.56Corrodiasscam? well,... yes, $8 shipping on a game is a scam
03:34.01ThraeArrowmaster: Shipping AND Handling. Obviously an item of that vast quality requires special handling, like they threw it behind a ventilater in some sleezy hotel and need to rent a room for $8 to go and find it again.
03:34.19Arrowmasteri just ordered http://www.amazon.com/Halo-Wars-Limited-Xbox-360/dp/B001F6KSDM supposedly its only on sale for that price until tomorrow
03:34.24Adysalestane: man I cant properly follow the talk because I know pretty much where every damn image comes from :/
03:34.32DagmarThey're making a dollar off it
03:35.08DagmarAdys: I may tap you later for identification of some of the more interesting ones
03:35.19ThraeDagmar: I'm not talking Strategy, I'm talking Fight Mechanics. The latter is facts, just like how tons of people can argue that full T9 gear isn't better than full T5 gear, but it is.
03:35.33DagmarThrae: Ahh... That could work well then
03:35.35AdysDagmar: that's kind of a disturbing request
03:35.53DagmarHey man I have a collection of deviant software here
03:36.10DagmarIf ther'es something that actually somewhat quality and I don't already have it, then I need to make with the online ordering somewhere
03:36.32DagmarIt's a very small collection, and someday it'll probably be worth something
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03:37.54DagmarSeems like something that just barely qualifies as "not godawful" comes out only about every 3-4 years
03:38.18DagmarRumbleRoses cut scenes almost invalidated it
03:38.31DagmarThere's actually a fairly decent wrestling game hiding under all that
03:38.49ThraeDagmar: Example -- Tyrranus (PoS). 1) Stay away from the cave. 2) If you get Overbrand debuff, stop DPS'ing until it's gone. 3) When Tyrranus says, "Rimefang, destroy that fool!", dodge the attack. 4) Stay off the ice patches. They hurt. 5) Tank him with your back to an ice patch so, when he knocks you back and enrages, he'll have less time on his enrage. Make sure to keep Taunting while waiting for him.
03:39.28ArrowmasterDagmar: should i suggest to you some japanese games?
03:39.40ThraeI should buy Halo for the PC, I've never played it
03:39.48Arrowmasterno you shouldnt
03:39.57ThraeI have an XBOX 360 controller
03:40.07DWSRdon't bother buying Halo.
03:40.07Thunder_Childi agree with Arrowmaster
03:40.09Arrowmasterbut its still crap on the PC
03:40.09Thunder_Childno
03:40.11DagmarThrae: Just off the top of my head "Only noobs go near the cave.", "Just heal through it if you're geared.  If you can't your healer sucks", "You can blink past the ice patches" etc etc
03:40.21DagmarYou're going to get trollery, but I wish you luck
03:40.29ScytheBlade1man, I get a lot of SEO spam emails just about my domains
03:40.38ScytheBlade1"You should be at the top of the search results."
03:40.39Thunder_Childthe GUI/Gun is so large on PC you gaet maybe 1/3 of the screen for seing other stuff
03:40.42ThraeAlso, I have an XBOX, but not an XBOX 360
03:40.45DagmarArrowmaster: I can't read any of those damn things
03:40.47ScytheBlade1The site in question that they referenced? 100% blank page
03:40.56Arrowmasterand the only versions of halo for the PC are 1 and 2, they wont support the 360 controller perfectly like recent games will
03:41.00LopeppeppyThrae, it was too long ago.  It was a notes addon... um....
03:41.01sylvanaarquestion - i want to embed a scripting language on this java project i am on. Is Groovy the best solution
03:41.08Thunder_Childget*
03:41.12DagmarArrowmaster: I can't help but think that AI and SB3 lose a lot by being completely unintelligible
03:41.15ArrowmasterDagmar: they have english translations
03:41.29Lopeppeppy... transmittted to raid.... um.  You had to put in your own strategies, it didn't come pre-loaded.
03:41.37Dagmar7Sins on the other hand, was a whole ton of minigames.  Derivative yes, but well-executed just hte same
03:42.07ThraeLopeppeppy: It doesn't matter. Making such an addon would be extremely easy, the only problem being possible copyright infringements from copy & pasting all the info ;)
03:42.20DagmarArrowmaster: Yeah I looked into the translations.  They don't cover the audio
03:43.11LopeppeppyLike htis, Thrae.  http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13226-BossNotes.html
03:43.15ArrowmasterWanko to Kurasou actually has a really good story hidden under all the somewhat over the top erotic parts, but half the time they are so over the top they are hilarious
03:44.13DagmarYeah that old Knights of X.... game (still can't remember the name) was a bit like that
03:44.32ArrowmasterUtawareumono only has a very few erotic parts the the rest of the story is fucking amazing and full of little jokes
03:44.38DagmarHad about hte graphics as old Zelda games, but pretty ruthless dialog
03:45.25DagmarI'll look into those
03:45.46DagmarAI and SB3 look like just plain fapping material to me.  I'd hesitate to call them games
03:45.52Arrowmasteri still need to finish Fate/stay night, but its so long but i want to finish it before the new movie is translated
03:46.59Arrowmasteringame clock is at over 2.5 days i think and im not even half way
03:47.04Dagmargeez
03:47.47Arrowmasteralthough i think that might be inflated some since it keeps counting even when its in the background and i was playing it a few times while waiting for raid spots
03:48.59DagmarAh
03:49.22DagmarI somewhat have to discount Playboy: The Mansion from the list
03:49.50Dagmarit's a decent sim-management game, but there's nothing particularly vicarious about *playing* the nudie king himself
03:50.12DWSRs/the/with the/
03:50.27DagmarDWSR: No, you're supposed to be Hugh
03:50.55DWSRcome on, I know you didn't miss that.
03:51.21Corrodiasplaying a 200 year old man trying to manage a business? oh yay?
03:51.57DagmarCorrodias: If it were the present-day Hugh The Ancient it would be significantly more difficult to get any models
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03:53.38DagmarIt's not like I've got some personal fetish for evil/naughty games, but there's a point at which the way games are made now, you *notice* the lack
03:54.04DagmarLike, with Fable... If you were going into evil, there were mainly only fairly milquetoast evils you could get into
03:54.46DagmarYou could kill adults completely indiscriminately, but only one child, and only after some very specific prompting as a means to an end.
03:55.05DagmarYou couldn't even give the children in the game beer, and no bigamy was tolerated at all
03:55.35Arrowmasteri grabbed the installer for the uncensored english RapeLay after the recent controversy
03:55.55DagmarSo, to find a game that just goes ahead and _does_ those things because they're the logical thing to do, it's a rarity
03:56.12DagmarArrowmaster: Yeah personally that one got excluded from the collection as well for semi obvious reasons
03:56.23Arrowmasteri only have the installer
03:56.37DagmarI looked at some reviews, figured it was in a similar vein with AI and SB3
03:57.05DagmarWait, there was _recent_ controversy about RapeLay?
03:57.10Arrowmasteryes
03:57.22DagmarWhat the hell could generate more buzz than the fact that it's apparently a violent rape simulator?
03:57.23Arrowmastersome womans rights group found it
03:57.27DagmarOhhh
03:58.16LopeppeppyOiy.  Yeah, going to bed now.  See yas.
03:58.39Arrowmasterwe drove peppy away
03:59.10DWSRIt's only offensive if you let it be
04:00.37Corrodiasnobody's stopping them from funding a male rape game
04:00.45DagmarGTA's hot coffee mod was just clearly unpolished code, but I've respect for the most recent GTA because they didn't particularly pull any punches there
04:01.07DagmarCorrodias: More importantly to me, no one's making me spend a buck on either of them
04:01.48DagmarA game can be porno all it likes, but if it's a bad game, no one's likely to buy it
04:02.19Corrodiasi don't recall whether rapelay was good or bad, though i believe it didn't interest me as much as lot of the company's other products do
04:03.45Adyskay
04:03.54Adyslate night quizz to anyone interested
04:03.57DWSRInstant queues are instant.
04:04.04DagmarSomehow I think it probably falls very, very short on storyline
04:04.05DWSRWhy doesn't everyone tank?
04:04.23Dagmardwsr: because you're really reliant on a healer, and getting to the defense cap is a bitch
04:04.34DWSRDagmar: I'm not even there.
04:04.36DWSRStill tanking ma heroics.
04:04.41DWSRAnd DAMN is my avoidance sexy.
04:04.43Adysnevcairiel: (may interest you), I have a dxtc block which I want decoded by the video card directly from python code; have fun figuring this out for me while Im sleeping
04:05.11DagmarI'm not either, and basically I'm fine with waiting 8-10 minutes in unholy spec
04:05.35Adysdwsr
04:05.37DWSRAdys
04:05.39Adysyou make me want to log my dk again
04:05.49Adysjust so i can queue some more instances and decline them after 20 sec
04:06.04Dagmarheheh
04:06.24Adysthat's the single most fun I've had on an alt ever since i picked up wow
04:06.51DagmarMy first LFD on the DK I tanked just because I was so used to not seeing the "pick yer role" panel I misclicked
04:07.04Dagmarluckily it was Nexus
04:07.18DWSRlulz
04:07.23DWSRDW tanking is such a joke.
04:08.44Adysnight
04:08.55DWSRIt's probably the single easiest thing ever.
04:08.56Adysgood night Shirik, good night Shadowed
04:09.02DWSRin WoW*
04:10.37Arrowmasterlol i love RFCs http://www.technovelty.org/humor/rfc3164-smells.html
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04:14.53KrapsDWSR: what kind of weapons does a dw dk use?
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04:16.57DWSR1h defensive.
04:17.28Shadoweddie Adys
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04:19.35DWSRholy shit.
04:19.41DWSRIf I see more spellpower gear I'm going to go insane.
04:19.49DWSR7 hours of farming, that's like all I've seen.
04:20.18Krapsthats why you shouldnt farm
04:21.45KrapsDWSR: what makes dw easier than 2h?
04:21.53DagmarSee if you can start a buyer's panic with some relatively obscure and worthless Outlands drop
04:22.41DagmarI actually made about 600g this weekend selling (no joke) four golden pearls and one pristine black diamond
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04:23.03DagmarThe sad thing is I was trying to mess with the guys who were trying to sell them for ten times their worth
04:24.14DWSRKraps: Well, personally, I find it to just be easier to hold threat.
04:24.49DagmarI prefer the slowness of 2h
04:25.01DagmarGives me time to have a smoke before the next swing
04:25.22DWSRThat's what she said?
04:27.22KrapsDagmar: actually thats why i went fury, arms was too slow
04:33.27DWSRKraps: Yeah, DWing is so much fun
04:33.35DWSRFrost tanking in general is piss easy.
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04:37.54kd3~ping
04:37.55purl~pong
04:38.06kd3pokes purl
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04:46.18ScytheBlade1kd3: easy solution. remove the cat from the picture.
04:49.01DWSR^
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04:50.53ScytheBlade123:44 < ScytheBlade1> kd3: easy solution. remove the cat from the picture.
04:50.54ScytheBlade123:47 < DWSR> ^
04:51.19kd3's more strongly considering it
04:54.12DWSRHow many emblems are T9 pants?
04:54.19kd395
04:54.19kd3?
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04:56.10DWSRah, only 50
04:57.04DWSRgod damn.
04:57.06DWSRSo close to the def cap.
04:57.08DWSR530
04:58.57KrapsScytheBlade1: your pcs clock is 2 minutes slow
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05:04.12ScytheBlade1Kraps: sure it isn't yours? Because mine is synched to the host PC it is on, which is synched with NTP, which is...
05:04.21ScytheBlade1... about two minutes off. awesome.
05:04.25Krapslol
05:04.27kd3oops
05:06.53kd3...now to figure out why torrenting is suddenly breaking my connection
05:06.56ScytheBlade1Sun Mar  7 00:04:31 EST 2010 7 Mar 00:06:16 ntpdate[4903]: step time server 192.43.244.18 offset 104.640960 sec
05:06.59ScytheBlade1Sun Mar  7 00:06:16 EST 2010
05:07.03ScytheBlade1That's a bit better
05:07.20kd3~ping
05:07.21purl~pong
05:07.33kd3damn it, what the hell
05:10.38ScytheBlade1and ticket opened, yey
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05:11.24kd3I think the cat may have broken the router. just /starting/ my bittorent client and the ping to the router itself goes from a few milliseconds to ~5s
05:11.34ScytheBlade1we'll see if they fix the clock for good
05:11.38ScytheBlade1kd3: failsauce
05:12.03Krapsholing fjord is such an awesome map
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05:15.19Arathroskd3 could be collisions
05:15.34kd3doubt it; I'm the only computer accessing it atm
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05:16.03Arathroswell collisions arent between computers
05:16.06kd3tries changing channels
05:16.08Arathrosits the router and the computer
05:16.24Arathrosone is fullduplex while one is half duplex = one fucks up and resends over adn over ;P
05:16.44kd3RX packets:73928 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:76428 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0
05:17.00Arathrosnvm ;P
05:22.55ScytheBlade1so for anyone on linode
05:23.12ScytheBlade1apparently ntp is now required to keep time accurately
05:23.41ScytheBlade1(compared to previously, where you could not adjust the clock)
05:24.10ScytheBlade1and considering the host load, it is almost guaranteed your clock is going to be running slow
05:25.29ScytheBlade1afk sleep
05:32.51kd3so uh... good thing I'm not in the cpu market right now
05:33.03kd3wtfs at /newegg/ selling bogus i7s
05:37.11Corrodiasoh?
05:37.41kd3http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/03/06/2250252
05:44.16Arathrosok just asking stupid since book is xml fixated.
05:44.30Arathroswhen i create first frame.. parent it to uiparent.
05:44.48Krapsthis guy is so behind the times http://wcbstv.com/national/Iran.sept.11.2.1541922.html
05:44.54Arathrosthen all the elements in that frame. parent it to the one thats parented to ui?
05:45.04Arathrosso keeping hierarchy
05:45.19DagmarWhooops
05:45.39Dagmarkd3: That actually looks like a demo/placeholder for photography purpose
05:45.49DagmarI'm looking at the video now
05:45.51kd3dagmar; with typos on the box?
05:46.12kd3and a "factory sealed" sticker that's printed on the box with covered with clear tape?
05:46.34DagmarYes, like those fake demo cell phones don't _exactly_ look like the real phone
05:46.35kd3Arathros, more or less. you want your big display frame parented to UIParent and all of the stuff in your frame parented to the frame
05:46.56Dagmar...although it would be a pretty serious screwup for those to make it into production stock
05:47.27Arathroslol at the 9.11 thing... 5 years late ;P
05:47.57DagmarThe fake 'processor" and the "fan" are definitely not the sort of thing that would fool anyone
05:48.49DagmarThis should get interesting
05:49.29kd3newegg responded "diplomatically" on its twitter feed "@NewEgg"... really looking forward to the fallout
05:49.53Arathroshmm according to the book and as far as i understand. its not hard to make your own unitframes
05:49.57DagmarThis is just _way_ too much trouble to go to for normal fraud
05:50.05Krapshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYYdF0zcuSI&feature=topvideos
05:50.15Arathroshook events to the right ones and it should be automatic ;P
05:50.16Dagmarblank paper stapled together instead of a manual?
05:50.21DagmarIt all just screams 'placeholder'
05:51.41Arathrosfree parking in the rear and liqor lol
05:53.16Corrodiaswho's going to open the box before shipping it?
05:53.38DagmarUnless you were doing mockups there'd be no point in putting a manual in there
05:55.34cogwheelhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXmPFJqTHKo NSFW
05:55.37cogwheelAckis: penis
05:56.14DWSRWhere's the elder in Nexus?
05:57.19kd3near the tree boss
05:58.01DWSRah, thanks.
05:59.59msoulonce you hit lvl 74 you can't just take the battle for the horde quest immediately right?
06:00.05msoulto start that epic quest
06:00.13kd3it's a chain
06:00.43msoulyou happen to know from where it starts? all i see from wowhead from the troll vonjin or somesuch
06:01.06kd3points to the wiki
06:01.20msoulhehe i did
06:01.38msoultried to find him in ruins of lorderan to
06:01.40msoulo
06:02.39kd3http://www.wowwiki.com/Dragonblight_quests#Horde
06:03.02kd3"Onto the Kor'kron Vanguard (unlocks after "The Forsaken Blight and You" chain is completed in Venomspite and "The Pit of Narjun & Nerubians in Icemist Village" chain is completed in Agmar's Hammer) "
06:16.01Arathrosand quests in the wyrmrest right?
06:16.26DWSRDo you need to be on heroic to get to the elder in Gundrak again?
06:16.29DWSROr did they move him?
06:16.34DWSROh wait, nvm, they moved him.
06:16.37Arathrosits in the instance
06:16.40Arathrosno matter diffi
06:16.47kd3it used to be heroic only
06:16.47Arathrosi got mine on normal ;P
06:16.50kd3he's in normal now too
06:16.51Arathrosyeh i know
06:16.53Arathrosyep
06:18.40msoulkde: will check it definitely, much thanks
06:18.50msouli am doing questa randomly and thought of it yesterday
06:19.16msoulwanted to know the starting point i.e. wyrmest or that agmar base
06:29.38Arathroswell complete the escort from borean to icemist or whatever thats calld
06:30.01Arathrosthen do agmar hammer stuff. and get the ones that tells you to go to wyrmrest after you ahve done a shitload of quests ;P
06:30.14Arathrosthen you do those. and when it seems they are done. you go to venomspite
06:30.19Arathrosand you should almost be there
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07:02.18Shirikwho do you think you are
07:02.20Shirikmr. big stuff
07:04.40mikmaa man with large package?
07:11.49DWSRFedex or UPS?
07:23.38FiskerShirik!
07:23.42Fiskerle fu
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07:32.29Arathroshttp://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API <-- anyone can tell me what the red links mean?
07:34.59DWSRMORNING
07:35.40mikmaarathros: description / infopage for that doesn't exist
07:37.38zenzelezz"We are still root causing the issue and reaching out to those customers who seem impacted by the driver." <--- I wasn't aware you could verbify "root cause" like that
07:38.19Fiskerroot cause of what?
07:39.08zenzelezzthe nVidia driver trouble
07:39.34Fiskerdoesn't say that here
07:39.41Fiskeryour argument is invalid
07:41.54Arathrosmikma ok. thought they might be unavailable ;P
07:46.20Thunder_Childyou know, the ledgend of drunken master makes so much more sense after watching drunken master.
07:51.48Arathrosahaha no shit ;P
07:52.03Arathroshmm for a mana bar. wouldnt the obvious way to make it. use a statusbar?
07:54.19Arrowmasterholy fuck ive got over a 5000 round score in BFBC2 and the game isnt even over yet
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08:02.32Arrowmaster6296 combat score, 7400 award score, 13696 total score
08:02.38Arrowmasterholy fuck
08:02.58Arrowmasteri rarely ever see anybody with a combat score above 3000
08:05.06Fiskerthis is my carescore
08:05.09Fiskerover 9000
08:08.18Arrowmasterwant to know the best way to remedy the situation when half the enemy team goes sniper so half of your team goes sniper to try and kill them?
08:08.55Arrowmastergo sniper and pull out the max rank sniper rifle, the 50cal M95 and head shot all the enemy snipers in 30 seconds
08:08.58Arrowmaster=D
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08:11.01Arrowmasteryes that really happened, and yes i thought it was fucking riot
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08:18.47Arathrosthis is getting annoying.. according to book and inet. this should work dammit
08:19.07Arathrosall but the CreateFontString()
08:20.27Arathros!api CreateFontString()
08:20.27lua_botFrame:CreateFontString: Creates a new [[docs/widgets/FontString|`FontString`]] as a child of the frame (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/CreateFontString)
08:34.05Arathrosok SetText(var) works.... but SetText(var1 var2 "Hello!") doesnt
08:34.23mikmaumm
08:34.32mikmafoo:SetText("Hailol")
08:34.44Arathrosi know about framename
08:34.52Arathrosits the multi vars + text that doesnt work
08:34.53mikmawhy should it take war's on
08:34.57mikmavar's
08:35.00zenzelezzare you forgetting the concatenation operator?
08:35.05Arathroswell. leve unitname and unitclass
08:36.02jnwhitehAdys: what search function do you want?
08:36.04mikmaSetText(UnitName("target").." "..UnitLevel("target").." "..UnitClass("target").." ".."Text, hai lol")
08:36.07jnwhitehI find the google search on the site works just fine.
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08:36.38Arathroshmm tried that earlier. didnt wanna do anything but crash.. let me tr again
08:37.06Arathrosso basically... command..command.."ifIwantAstringHere"..command
08:37.13Arathrosso .. = more "commands"
08:37.18zenzelezzno
08:37.24zenzelezz.. = string concatenation
08:37.49zenzelezzso your commands would have to return/result in strings
08:38.01ZorbaTHutmany things return, or are, strings. .. jams them together into a single glorious enormous string
08:38.06ZorbaTHutwith blackjack, and hookers
08:38.12Arathrosstill not explaining proper then.. hmm var..var..var.."aa"..var
08:38.42Arathroshaving hard time explaining that lol
08:38.50Arathrosfor some reason hah
08:39.00zenzelezzare you familiar with any other programming languages?
08:39.18Arathrosphp and mircing
08:39.24zenzelezz.. is like PHP's .
08:39.31Arathrosand mircs "."
08:39.34ArathrosDot ;P
08:39.40Arathrosye then i get it
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08:48.59Arathrosanyone played with statusbars?
08:49.24zenzelezzdepends what you mean by played with
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08:49.32Arathrosmade some that works ;P
08:52.08Arathroswhat controls the texture on the valuepart.
09:05.32mikmaSetTexture?
09:06.22Arathrosthink i understood that part when i said it ;P
09:06.26Arathrosbut i cant get it to show.
09:06.46Arathroswhere can i paste
09:06.51Arathrosaaah topic
09:06.56mikmayou are fast learner
09:07.24Arathrosi see the topic once ever week ;P when i disconnect hehe
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09:08.34Arathroshttp://wowuidev.pastey.net/133877
09:08.45Arathrosalmost leet paste ;P
09:09.22Arathrosand the texture exist.. i use it as my background in the bottom. so i know its there
09:09.34mikmause PPst_hp:SetPoint("CENTER",UIParent)
09:09.36mikmasee what happens
09:10.05Arathroshmm wonder if i learn anything by bithslapping myself lol
09:10.07Arathrosgod
09:14.07Arathroslol i got it right. it was just mising something ;)
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09:30.05Arathroshmm why do they have the event unit_maxhealth
09:30.27zenzelezzbecause a unit's max health can change
09:30.44Arathroswell sint it easier to update it everytime the health change?
09:31.00zenzelezzwhy?
09:31.19Arathroswhy not ? ;P
09:31.25zenzelezzsay you're using a statusbar. It would be stupid to call SetMaxValue, then SetValue all the time
09:31.47zenzelezzit's not *much* extra processing, but it is still silly to do it
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10:19.45Arathroszenzelezz anyway.. i dont see what they hype is on the problem of making own unitframes ;P its kinda simple when you get into it lol
10:20.35zenzelezzbe careful about saying that. The basics are simple, but there are many details to work out
10:22.05mikmaabsolutely, you can ask shadowed was creatin UF a simple job
10:22.14mikmaall the dropdowns, all the focus-fuzz...
10:28.04Arathroshehe
10:28.15Arathroswell focus never worked for me..
10:30.58Arathroseven on normal clean blizz ui.. when i put something on focus.. blizzard wants to shut itself down ;P
10:47.02hastethat's due to taint from add-ons
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10:48.23Arathroson a clean install?
10:48.26Arathrosanyway
10:48.41Arathrosi cant seem to find the manabar color and rage colors and stuff
10:48.46hasteit can't have been a clean install if you got taint issues with focus on the drop-down
10:49.20hasteArathros: http://github.com/haste/wow-ui-source/blob/master/FrameXML/UnitFrame.lua#L1
10:50.24Arathroshaste you know of a colorpicker to get the rgb values ready for wow?
10:50.31Arathroslike the colorwheel just with output
10:50.45hastewhat does ready for WoW mean?
10:51.00hasteif you have the pure RGB values just divide by 255
10:51.14Arathroswell getting the output 0.1,0.2,0.3,1
10:51.23hastejust divide by 255
10:51.26Arathroshmm
10:51.27haste(and round it)
10:51.54hasteyou can also just write: SetVertexColor(128/255, 100/255, 200/255)
10:53.15theorbtwonotes that RGB on a scale of 0-255 aren't any more pure then on a scale of 0-1.
10:57.27zenzelezzbut they sound more significant!
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11:24.23Arathroshmm UNIT_HEALTH arent updating as fast as blizz own ui... any thoughtS?
11:25.13zenzelezzit just doesn't I think; you could try using a timer (OnUpdate) and just calling UnitHealth,... or you could look at the FrameXML code
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11:34.56Arathrosfor rounding numbers to whole numbers i would use math.ceil() or math.floor() right
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11:42.05Fiskeromg zenzelezz
11:42.58hasteArathros: do you have predict updates enabled in the blizzard options?
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12:01.19Arathroshmm haste.. let me see if i can even find that
12:02.22Arathroscant seem to find that
12:05.16Fiskerhilarious
12:05.26Fiskerthis guy is complaining about getting the wrong suspension e-mail
12:05.29Fisker"I'm posting on behalf of my character Drakute on Twisting Nether, the account has just been temporarily disabled because of my pet name which is fair enough but you're going to far to say that "SWASTlKANAZl" is highly offensive sexual content."
12:05.31Fiskerhurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
12:06.27Arathrosi dont want to know whats going on in their offices anymore
12:08.09nevcairielanyong using wine 1.1.40 and has working sound in WoW? Mine broke :(
12:08.35nevcairiel-######## FMOD ERROR! (err 37) An invalid parameter was passed to this function.
12:08.38nevcairielin SESound.log
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12:13.55nevcairielnvm, i fixed it :d
12:28.03hasteArathros: seems they've removed it from the option interface now
12:28.13hasteArathros: check what the CVars predictedPower and predictedHealth return
12:31.44Arathros2 sec
12:32.05mikmahttp://toyotasimulator.com/
12:32.13Arathros<PROTECTED>
12:34.41mikmawell, if they are global that'll do
12:35.16foxlit(they're not)
12:35.40foxlit[or at least that wouldn't make sense to have separate API if they were]
12:37.10hasteArathros: no, /run print(GetCVar('predictHealth'))
12:38.05Arathrosstill nil
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12:38.21Arathroswhats the update on every frame event called
12:38.33foxlit"haste: Arathros: check what the CVars predictedPower and predictedHealth return"
12:38.37foxlit"haste: Arathros: no, /run print(GetCVar('predictHealth'))"
12:38.39foxlitpick one :)
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12:46.15hasteArathros: OnUpdate?
12:46.43hasteArathros: also, as long as predict{Health,Power} isn't set -- your frame should update at the same speed as the blizzard frames
12:46.59hasteunless you are missing some events and happen to be testing with those events in question
12:48.31Arathroswell using UNIT_MANA UNIT_HEALTH and the MAX versions
12:48.43Arathrosand i see big delays.
12:49.24Arathroshow can i get a hold of that event then since i like the real update ;P
12:51.10Arathroshmm whats the correct term to get OnUpdate to work ;P
12:51.31Arathrosfunction PPsf_mana_OnEvent(self, event, ...)   so onUpdate there?
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12:52.46mikmalocal f = CreateFrame("Frame"); f:SetScript("OnUpdate", function() print("Foo") end)
12:52.56hasteyou still have to register it, and you shouldn't see big delays if your comparing to blizzard wihtout predict{Health,Power}
12:53.02hastethey should be equal
12:54.07Arathroswell if i spam in my wowlua the UnitHealth("player") i get live'ish results(depending on my clicking speed ;P
12:55.28haste*facepalms*
12:55.36hastethat's not the same as the blizzard _frames_ tho'
12:55.52hasteUnitHealth() and friends return estimates between the event firing
12:55.55Arathroswell i cant find anything on "predict"
12:56.09haste1328.03|          haste | Arathros: seems they've removed it from the option interface now
12:56.22hastethey still have checks for it in their unit frames however
12:56.41foxlitif ( GetCVarBool("predictedHealth") and frequentUpdates ) then
12:56.52hastespamming "Run" like you are is basically the same as running it through an OnUpdate
12:57.03hastewhich is what predict{Health,Power} does
12:57.26foxlitAre you intentionally renaming the CVar?
12:57.33foxlitOr is that just a repeated typo?
12:58.00hasteit's not a typo :P
12:58.07hasteit's common sh syntax
12:58.23foxlithaste: predict or predicted?
12:58.23Arathrosso what is the Cvar?
12:58.28foxlitAs far as blizzard is concerned, it's predicted
12:58.37haste1328.12|          haste | Arathros: check what the CVars predictedPower and predictedHealth return
12:58.46foxlitOf course, you could be talking about your own variable naming, which is why I asked.
12:59.01hasteall it does is tell the default unit frames to use an OnUpdate for polling instaed of event based
12:59.03ArathrospredictedHealth
12:59.08Arathrosthats from the list hmm
12:59.17hastesetting it doesn't do shit for your code howvere
12:59.31Arathrosthen why bring it up ;P
12:59.59hastehttp://github.com/haste/wow-ui-source/blob/master/FrameXML/UnitFrame.lua#L206-216
13:00.08hastebecasue you said you were comparing your updating to blizzards
13:00.31hasteand in the context of unit frames it's easy to believe that you are comparing updating of your statusbar to the one blizzard uses
13:00.42hasteand if predictHealth was enabled, then ofc it would be different
13:02.31Arathroshmm any way to use that for my advantage then?
13:03.26hastelook at the URL above
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13:05.23Arathrosand sorry to say even thoguh I'm halfway through the book. most of that i dont see the meaning for
13:05.56haste(do note that most people here have never read the book)
13:06.45Arathroshehe
13:06.49Arathrosi can recommend it
13:08.04Arathrosf:SetScript("OnUpdate", function() print("Foo") end) <-- make that into a multiliner? I'm getting small time confused..
13:09.31hastejust add newlines :P ?
13:09.36Arathrosfunction ppui1_OnUpdate() <-- does it need variables
13:09.54Arathrosdont get me on naming ;P my head is in da code mon
13:09.55hasteit doesn't need it, but you'll most likely want self, elapsed there
13:10.51Arathrosok thanks
13:18.50Arathroshmm now it doesnt update at all lol
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13:54.27Adyshttp://whatdoyousuggest.net/#relationships,for,dummies,free,ebook
13:54.28Adysbahah
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15:04.36Wobinhehe
15:04.54WobinThe concert I went to had an epic cover of 4'33"
15:05.59KrapsWobin: how so?
15:06.14WobinPerfect rendition =)
15:06.22Krapsha
15:06.30WobinIt had marimba, accordion, string quartet
15:06.39Wobina couple of ukeleles...
15:06.46Krapsi dont "get" the thing
15:07.04Wobinnor did about 2/3 of the audience =P
15:07.18Krapsdoes art = the absence of art also?
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15:07.28Wobinin the case of 4"33', yes =)
15:07.54Krapsor the absence it the art in itself
15:08.01Arathrosok
15:08.03Krapss/it/is
15:08.08harlwuff
15:08.09Arathros0/0*100 = what
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15:08.23Wobindivide by zero, reboot universe and try again
15:08.28Arathrosi know
15:08.29Arathrosmath.ceil((UnitPower("target") / UnitPowerMax("target") *100))
15:08.45Arathroswhen i call a mob that has no rage and no max... = 0/0*100
15:09.03Wobinso... don't?
15:09.07Arathrosreturns "-1.#IND"
15:09.25airtonixpretty sure there is tests for that
15:09.35airtonixunitHasRage ?
15:09.46Wobinlike ... if UnitPowerMax("target") == 0...
15:10.00Arathrosye just though of that ;P
15:10.25airtonixerror checking should be the first thing you think of...
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15:44.05Krapshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL2kiambI5g&feature=sub
15:56.12Krapshttp://failbooking.com/2010/03/05/funny-facebook-fails-priority-check-time/
15:58.58Cide"Ignorant Americans? You understand “Americans” technically includes Canada, Mexico, Latin America, and south America right?"
15:59.00Cideironic
15:59.49ScytheBlade1lol
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16:16.25Kraps_any ops available?
16:17.24Seerahwhat do you need, Kraps_?
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16:19.58Arathrosclass icons. anyone? I'm blank
16:20.41Seerah... what about them?
16:21.02cbreakthey exist
16:21.08Arathrosi know they exist
16:21.19Arathrosi need em and there was a site that had coords for all of em
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16:22.01Arathrosfound it in the constants ;P
16:25.07Arathrosnow i got that.. and now i cant remember where i saw how to use that info lol
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16:26.25cbreakgoogle probably knows
16:27.06Seerah!api TextCoords
16:27.07lua_botCould not find a match for 'TextCoords'.
16:27.12Seerah!api TexCoords
16:27.12lua_botCould not find a match for 'TexCoords'.
16:27.15Seerahsighs
16:27.55Seerahbah - was no s :p  http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Texture/SetTexCoord
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16:43.57Krapswhats baseline dps for HoR?
16:44.07mikmaover 9000
16:44.27Krapsnowai!
16:45.53Krapswe survived to the 1st boss
16:46.12nevcairielto but not it?
16:46.29Krapsthen _just_ couldnt down him
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16:56.16Fiskerslaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout
17:03.17DWSRHey, does anyone know the exact set of conditions that allow you to kick someone from a LFD group?
17:03.46cbreakDWSR: that person being a morron?
17:04.08cbreakI heard it has to be 15 mins since the group started too
17:04.15DWSRcbreak: Yes.
17:04.27DWSRyeah, there's a whole bunch of rules.
17:04.37DWSRLike not in or shortly after combat, not after the instance has finished.
17:04.46DWSRNot before 15 minutes, shit like that.
17:04.49DWSRI want to know what they all are.
17:05.32olafskinot while a loot roll is in progress
17:06.19olafskithat 15 minute stuff is terribly annoying
17:06.23olafskimost runs are finished before that
17:06.48olafskiit helps if the healer is in on it and just doesn't heal the person though.. but that only works if you're not trying to kick them because they're afk ;)
17:06.55cbreakthen that person wans't a big enough moron :)
17:06.57DWSRright
17:07.06DWSRThe healer in my last group was AFK
17:07.13DWSRbut like, had a jump bot or something
17:08.28Krapslol
17:08.43cbreakreport him for botting
17:08.56DWSRyeah, I know, but that'll take a lot longer than 15 minutes to requeue.
17:08.58DWSRAnd I'm a tank.
17:09.01DWSRSo yeah, instaqueue!
17:09.09Krapsthey're changing the time limit in 3.3.3
17:09.16DWSRBetter be like 5 minutes.
17:11.00Fiskerit's 0 minutes
17:11.02Fiskerwhat about that?
17:11.24DWSRthat would be nice too.
17:11.32DWSRI'd be kicking a DPS every time I enter an instance, just for shits.
17:11.54Kraps~fail DWSR
17:11.55purlDWSR, you Fail!
17:12.02DWSRKraps: Tank elitism ftw.
17:12.06DWSREspecially dual wield tanks.
17:12.16DWSRtbh.
17:12.23Krapswe have it bad enough already ok?
17:12.30DWSRIf I ever got queued as NOT a tank, I'd kick the tank if he wasn't a DW tank.
17:12.42DWSRKraps: Who? DPS? Pft.
17:12.45DWSRL2 DPS tank.
17:12.54DWSRMy lock can tank heroics.
17:13.29KrapsDWSR: us TANKS
17:13.34DWSRlol
17:13.36DWSRHow do we have it bad?
17:13.45DWSRHeroic tanking is like the easiest of ezmodes.
17:13.54DWSRShits like FREE and nothing's ever your fault.
17:14.03DWSR"Bad DPS" "healer couldn't keep me alive"
17:14.06DWSRAnd win.
17:14.15Krapsyou ever read the forums?
17:14.20ScytheBlade1"tank has no idea how to keep aggro" :/
17:14.42Kraps" omg wait for mana"
17:14.45DWSRSB1: Ah, sorry. Comptetent tanks* have it good.
17:14.53DWSRRight, bad tanks are bad.
17:15.17DWSRKraps: Healers are so overgeared for heroics atm it's unreal. I'm at like 500 defense and still tanking up a storm.
17:15.23ScytheBlade1Then so do good healers and good DPS
17:15.34ScytheBlade1yet people still wipe!
17:15.41DWSRSB1: No, good DPS still have it badly.
17:15.43Fiskergood thing they're tracking kicks
17:15.48Fiskerand can obviously spot abuse
17:15.59DWSRQueue times on my all 251+ warlock are still shit.
17:17.47DWSRFisker: Meh, the thing I don't get about that is why the fuck didn't they do it before? It was obvious that it was going to be a problem.
17:18.06DWSRBeing able to kick someone from anything will be abused, it's just a human thing.
17:18.40ScytheBlade1So I need a wifi card, PCI Express, that can operate on the 802.11a (5GHz) frequency as well
17:18.42DWSRadd net 'nomity to the mix and it's just a recipe for more abuse than a heavily drinking husband.
17:18.51ScytheBlade1I can only find them that operate on the 2.4GHz frequencies :/
17:18.55DWSRSB1: A wire.
17:19.11ScytheBlade1Great, until you're sitting outside on a phone without an ethernet jack.
17:19.13ScytheBlade1Just saying
17:19.15ScytheBlade1.....
17:19.45DWSRWhy would you pick 11a? Just for the range?
17:20.02ScytheBlade1Something about being bathed in data from all of the B channels
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17:20.14DWSRGo g, kthx.
17:20.27ScytheBlade1Also, a single 802.11n network will saturate over 80% of the available b/g freqency
17:20.30ScytheBlade1So
17:20.33ScytheBlade1.....
17:20.38DWSRUmm...
17:20.40DWSRWho gives a shit?
17:20.44ScytheBlade1.................................
17:20.54DWSRThis is a *personal* network we're talking about, right?
17:21.03ScytheBlade1Yes
17:21.04DWSRAnd you're living in a house/apartment?
17:21.07ScytheBlade1Yes
17:21.14DWSRYes, like I said, who cares?
17:21.21ScytheBlade1The person using it, ie, me?
17:21.41DWSRI've been in places that have n and g networks co-existing.
17:21.45cbreakif you use it it should be OK
17:21.53cbreakif your neighbor is... less OK
17:22.00ScytheBlade1Sure. But the signal degredation is impressive
17:22.26ScytheBlade1802.11n absolutely rapes the 2.4GHz frequency in general, and does worse things to existing b/g networks
17:22.54DWSRSB1: 11a's a pretty uncommon standard, from what I've seen.
17:22.59DWSREverything's b/g b/g/n, etc.
17:23.12Gnarfozyou've not seen much then, have you
17:23.24ScytheBlade1DWSR: http://aboveaverageurl.com/2009/12/80211n.html <-- you should read that.
17:23.24Adyshttp://blogoscoped.com/archive/2010-03-07-n31.html
17:23.28Gnarfoza/g/n is not uncommon in new laptops at all
17:23.38Krapshttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23425470482&sid=1
17:23.46KrapsDWSR: ^
17:23.58ScytheBlade1n operates on top of either the 2.4GHz frequency or the 5GHz frequency
17:24.11DWSRGnarfoz: Haven't seen too much a, though that isn't to say I haven't seen it.
17:24.59ScytheBlade1"b" "g" and "a" have very very little to do with it
17:25.23DWSRKraps: I lol'ed
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17:25.38DWSRKraps: Haven't had that bad of a time in heroics, tbh.
17:25.45DWSRPuG raids are a different storry, I'm sure.
17:26.08Adyslog in
17:26.21Adysget ninja-invited to an anub rekhan weekly
17:26.24Adysget it shared
17:26.28Adysget summoned on-spot
17:26.33Adyskill it in 3 minutes
17:26.36Adyshand in and log out.
17:27.31Adyswow is hard tbh
17:28.43Krapsi was dps in a pug naxx. i got in before the 4 horsemen. 2-3 wipes on trash, 1 wipe on the boss, downed them, wipe on the next boss, the end
17:29.06Adysfact that people suck ass doesnt make the game harder
17:29.24KrapsAdys: you're making a common mistake. wow isnt hard, people are fucking morons
17:29.37Cidefact that overgearing content isn't hard doesn't make the game harder
17:29.50AdysKraps: you're making a common mistake as well, you're talking to me without turning your sarcasm detector on
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17:30.13Krapseh
17:30.17Krapsmy bad
17:30.28Krapshttp://www.thedailyblink.com/2010/03/naxx-is-the-hardest-raid-to-pug/
17:30.29Adyshow can you take "wow is hard" seriously
17:30.34Adyshow can ANYONE take it seriously
17:31.28Adysthough I cant blame blizzard
17:31.36Adysdifficulty is a very broad concept
17:32.12Adysin wow, either it comes down to keeping track of a lot of stuff at once, or clicking/pressing the right buttons, or spending a lot of time on the game
17:32.44Adysif you want to solve complex mathematical equations as fast as humanly possible theres always eve online
17:33.36Krapsheh
17:37.06Gnarfozgood ol' http://www.sevenforums.com/attachments/gaming/18970d1247995749-eve-online-learningcurve.jpg
17:51.13Krapswhats the context behind this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p15aWgYx9cg
17:52.51FiskerThat Blizzard didn't pay attention to paladins because there were noone on the team playing one
17:52.59FiskerThen i believe Fangtooth said he was leveling one
17:54.13Krapswhen was this?
17:54.57Fiskeraproximately the same time as the movie was made
17:55.03Fiskererr uploaded
17:55.05Fiskeri'd guess
17:55.12FiskerIt was before the first Blizzcon atleast
17:55.18Fiskerbecause i remember he left before that
17:55.51Fiskeractually it was just after the first blizzcon
17:55.52Fiskerbam
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18:09.24Adyshttp://db.mmo-champion.com/c28306/
18:09.25Adysman
18:11.14Krapscutest thing evar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTCm8tdHkfI&feature=dir
18:12.50GnarfozAdys: what about it?
18:13.17Adyswhen casting amz, you summon a npc that casts amz
18:13.17Adys=/
18:14.06Gnarfozwell, it doesn't move with you, that it'd function that way was surprising to you?
18:14.21Adysyes and no
18:14.26AdysIm so used to these hacks
18:14.34Adysbut then again
18:14.42Adysevery time I see it i go "omg"
18:14.44Gnarfozheh
18:15.49Gnarfozhttp://www.acaeum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8714 :o
18:16.18Adysjesus
18:17.12ScytheBlade1Cons: Nothing significant; the two cons I'm about to list are temporary issues, and one of them is not the fault of the SSD itself.
18:17.15ScytheBlade1-Firmware updates cause complete data loss
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18:19.18Adyshonest question
18:19.23Adysto absolutely everyone
18:19.54Adyswho, in here, noticed that Eadric the Pure, whom you fight in toc5 as second boss, is the same guy that gives the tfa/bbtc dailies?
18:20.04ScytheBlade1<--
18:20.46Gnarfozthe girl boss that you can have instead of him is also in that tent as an NPC
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18:20.54Gnarfoz(so, yes, I noticed)
18:20.58Adysyeah but i forgot her name and she's useless
18:23.07Krapsshe has teh sexy voice
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18:37.55r0bert0hi guys,
18:37.57r0bert0hi all
18:39.12r0bert0I have been the whole day looking for the official API of wow, functions offered by blizzard and so on, but I just find some pages, wikis but not an official wide. Could tell me where can I find an official API published by blizzard?
18:39.57ShadowedThere is none, http://www.wowprogramming.com is another unofficial API site thought
18:39.58r0bert0i'm really interested but i dont understand why it is so complicated.
18:39.59DWSRYou can't.
18:40.08DWSRThere is no official API documentation
18:40.11r0bert0O_O
18:40.17r0bert0WTF?
18:40.20r0bert0why?
18:40.29DWSRTake ti away shadowed.
18:40.46r0bert0I dont understand why blizzard make it so shadowed... :(
18:42.10r0bert0it does not make sens, offer an addon development feature and not offer documentation about the development API
18:42.14r0bert0*sense
18:42.19DWSRYes it does.
18:42.24DWSRIt would be what we like to call "unsupported"
18:42.35r0bert0ahahah
18:42.50r0bert0maybe the y do that to avoid bots development.
18:42.50DWSRBy publishing an official API listing, they infer that it is "supported".
18:42.52ShadowedAddons are not officially supported by Blizzard. Despite what you may want, or think there is none (and likely never will be) a public API.
18:43.08Shadowedanyway AFK for food
18:43.19DWSRr0bert0: No, they don't do it to avoid bot development.
18:43.26DWSRr0bert0: They do it to avoid having to support addons.
18:43.52r0bert0tons of people asking them about addons development and so on, I guess.
18:44.18r0bert0then I will have to use wowprogramming.com
18:44.20r0bert0:)
18:44.59r0bert0in any case, thank you
18:44.59r0bert0:)
18:45.24r0bert0now I wont have to look for a document does not exsit.
18:45.25r0bert0eist
18:45.26r0bert0exist
18:54.09nevcairielanyone any experience what linux filesystem is best for a file server, serving big files mostly?
18:55.46hasteext4 if you don't have huge volumes
18:56.07nevcairieleh, raid folume, possibly growing to 14 TB :P
18:56.20hastethen I'd take XFS if you have proper UPS :P
18:56.42nevcairieli don't have one at all, but i might as well get one
18:56.58Krapsholy crap the moderators voice is awesome http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/community/blizzcast/archive/episode13.html?rhtml=y
18:57.31hastewell, XFS is shit if you don't have proper UPS
18:57.39nevcairielyeah i heard the storys
18:59.54hasteext4 might work for large volumes as well, but I don't think it has been tested well enough ^^;
19:00.29hastethere's also JFS and friends, but that's outside my experience again
19:01.56Fiskerslaps haste around a bit with a large trout
19:02.43Fiskerwhy do you persist mr. haste ?
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19:02.55Fiskeri'm like "le fu"
19:02.57Fiskerhey kd3
19:03.29nevcairielhaste: also resizing the filesystem afterwards would be required, but i guess all new filesystems have those features
19:03.50hasteafaik XFS let's you increase, but not shrink
19:04.01DagmarXFS isn't any worse than any other filesystem if you improperly dismount it.  The key being _don't hard power off your stuff while it's doing disk writes_
19:04.01nevcairieli only need increase
19:04.31Dagmarhaste is right about the resizing thing.  You can make 'em bigger, but there's no way to make 'em smaller
19:04.34nevcairielI'm just planning to get a 8port controller and start off with 4 disks
19:04.40nevcairieland add later
19:05.04hastefriend of mine started with 16TiB :P
19:05.17Dagmarnevcairiel: Your big 'hard' issue will be with disposal of those large files
19:05.35nevcairielhuh?
19:05.50DagmarIF you have to semi-frequently delete files over 2Gb or so, ext3 will journal the entire delete
19:06.38DagmarIt makes ext3 completely unsuitable (and to a much lesser degree reiserfs IIRC) for use on a PVR because while it's journaling that entire delete, that's 1-2 seconds your disk is doing *nothing* but journaling that deletion
19:06.39nevcairielall information i googled up claims XFS is good for file servers, as well
19:06.56DagmarFor a lot of big files, JFS amd XFS are your best bets at the moment
19:06.58hastewhy are we suddenly talking about ext3 :P ?
19:07.09nevcairieli dunno, ext3 was out of my race a while ago
19:07.18Dagmarhaste: In this instance, it's a really bizarre behaviour people just don't expect
19:07.31hasteand grub has ext4 support now!
19:08.04nevcairielI'm still "conservative" and have a /boot partition in ext2
19:08.11hastesame :V
19:08.21DagmarI'm using JFS on my myth box at the moment.  Just under 6Tb
19:09.30Fiskerslaps haste around a bit with a large trout
19:09.31DagmarMost of the people at the office with large arrays are using XFS
19:10.18DagmarWhoa.  I may just buy this today http://www.macmall.com/p/5104878?dpno=7672258&source=zwb12166  I could use that to boot the damn firewall
19:10.31nevcairielmight as well go with XFS, our power net is pretty stable as it is, and might invest in a UPS
19:10.56Fiskerwtf is that Dagmar ?
19:11.04nevcairielDagmar: wow thats awesome, i need that for my router, its hdd has been failing again :D
19:11.10Fiskerwhy would anyone make such a thing?
19:11.20Fiskeris annoyed and confused
19:12.00DagmarFisker: It's a flash module that you just shove into the IDE socket and it looks like a 512Mb hard drive
19:12.23nevcairieldoes it live on ide power?
19:12.27nevcairielor where does that come from?
19:12.50hastethe thin air!
19:13.08Dagmarnevcariel: I'm going to assume it probably does
19:13.42nevcairielwhats "IDE 44-pin" o.O
19:14.04nevcairieloh thats the laptop version with integrated power
19:14.19DagmarAh... Looking at Transcend's site it's got a power adapter with it
19:14.21DagmarNo biggie
19:14.34DagmarEither way it's perfect for the IBM kiosk hardware I'm using
19:15.01nevcairieli am using soem damn old harddisk in my router again, and its high-pitch spinning noise has been driving me nuts
19:15.53nevcairiela 1gb module would be just right to replace it
19:16.19DagmarWell, the hardware I'm using is one of those things where basically everything's built into the back of the screen, so heat is an issue
19:16.51DagmarI've gotta either stick a laptop drive in there, or find a 5400 RPM disk because it'll generate less heat
19:17.27DagmarI'm _not_ putting another Maxtor in there.
19:18.28nevcairielthats really a nice thing for small systems
19:18.31nevcairielordered one
19:18.48nevcairielless moving parts++
19:18.54DagmarYep.
19:19.27DagmarI was waiting for prices to drop a bit on SSDs and it looks like at the smaller disk end they have
19:19.51nevcairielI don't care about the performance, but its probably not that good
19:20.00nevcairielbut mine just needs to boot and write some log files
19:20.21DagmarI doubt it'll be slow.  No moving parts
19:20.50nevcairielI should replace the cpu cooler with something passive in that system as well
19:20.57nevcairieloh bah, still the PSU then
19:20.58nevcairielmm
19:22.56DagmarDepending on how much heat you're generating, you can probably either replace the PSU fan with a quieter one, or replace the PSU with a with a quieter one
19:23.32DagmarIf the thing you're driving with it isn't a whole lot of gear, a little digging will find some fanless 250W models
19:23.34nevcairielthe old hdd in that was the noisiest part anyway
19:23.47nevcairieland its nothing, really
19:23.55nevcairieljust two network cards and a 10 year old cpu
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19:39.37DWSRwow.
19:39.49DWSRApparently, WoW requested 87mb of memory and then promptly crashed.
19:40.43DWSRI think Windows told it it couldn't have cheezburger.
19:40.53DagmarOnly 87Mb?'
19:41.22DWSRyeah\
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19:49.17Adysnevcairiel: xfs
19:49.46Adysext3/ext4 if there is a lot of file modifications etc and perf is an issue
19:50.01nevcairielnah, just storing files and then reading them
19:50.07nevcairielno modifications of stored files much
19:50.11Adysthen xfs
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19:56.10DWSRSomeone in trade is complaining about warlock death coil.
19:56.13DWSRlolreally?
19:58.11DagmarI guess they expect it to heal their pet or something
20:01.13DWSRAre people STILL QQing about that shit?
20:01.19DWSRDidn't the length get nerfed by like half?
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20:01.38DWSRPeople need to knock it off with the fear QQ, it's so weak as it is.
20:01.50DagmarIt's like three seconds now
20:01.55DWSRNo it's not.
20:02.15DWSRAh, yeah, it is.
20:02.23DWSRWasn't it like 5 in Vanilla?
20:02.26DagmarYes.
20:02.36DWSRyeah, people need to shut the fuck up
20:02.48DagmarIt was barely useful then, and it's not really worth even thinking about now unless you're dealing with murlocs
20:03.10DagmarIn three seconds a murloc can reach 20 of his friends.  Everything else, not so much
20:03.44DagmarThey're probably just mad because some warlock hit them with it and then had time to put their other two DoTs on
20:03.58Dagmar...and they were too stoned to trinket out of it in time
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20:05.00DWSRYou don't trinket Death Coil.
20:05.19DagmarYou should be able to trinket out of the fear effect
20:05.25DWSRI know you can.
20:05.27DWSRYou don't.
20:05.31DWSRBecause when you do, you die.
20:05.43DWSRBecause as soon as you've popped your trinket, you're fucking screwed.
20:05.47Dagmareh?
20:06.00DWSRWEE SHADOWFLAME CoEX PILLARHUMP
20:07.32DWSRAnd in case you thought you were going to cleanse or BoF, LOLCS DEVOURMAGIC
20:07.43DWSRTrinketing Death Coil is stupid.
20:07.52DWSRIt gets you killed. Don't do that shit.
20:08.54DWSRStill my most favourite is watching people trinket Shadowfury.
20:09.04DWSRWithout realizing that there's a HoT or ST fear coming RIGHT after.
20:09.51Krapswarlocks are stupid
20:10.03Kraps<--- warrior
20:10.17DWSR<- Affliction warlock
20:10.28DWSRCharge + MS + Bladestorm can't kill me.
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20:12.47DWSRKotEB has the melee DPS head chant, right?
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20:24.27DWSRoh wow.
20:24.33DWSRYou can so easily abuse the dungeon finder.
20:24.52DWSRApparently, even if you're on cooldown, if everyone in your group leaves, you get your cooldown removed.
20:26.10Shirikgah
20:26.12Shirikwikipedia fail
20:26.15alestaneSo if you're enough of an asshole to drive everyone else away, you can inflict yourself on someone else immediately.
20:26.18DWSR~fail wikipedia
20:26.19purlwikipedia, you Fail!
20:26.20Shirikhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blackfathom_deeps&action=edit&redlink=1
20:26.35ShirikDeleted because: Article about a person, company, organization, or website that does not credibly assert its importance
20:26.38ShirikWRONG
20:26.49ShirikNot saying the article should exist, just saying it's wrong
20:27.00DWSRalestane: Yes, more or less.
20:27.24DWSRalestane: Having just had an idiot hunter who had their pet on aggressive, I just refused to tank.
20:27.29DWSREveryone left, picked up another queue.
20:29.00frontendloaderwikipedantry
20:30.02Shirikgive me a subject to write about
20:30.05ShirikI'm bored
20:30.13ShadowedShirik: Write about why 2 + 2 is 4
20:30.19DWSRusing calculus./
20:30.21Shirikgive me an intelligent topic to write about
20:30.30Shirikalso
20:30.31Shirikhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%2B2
20:30.39ShadowedWrite about the nature of life
20:31.20DWSR42
20:31.27Zynwiki eh
20:31.27Zynhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Lustig
20:31.31Zynfind the error
20:32.02ShirikKraps: Did you see this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEkF5o6KPNI
20:34.19alestaneShirik: pickling.
20:35.37Mr_Rabiesby his mistress Billy Mays
20:35.38Mr_Rabiesffffffffffff
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20:39.12Cidwelhallop
20:40.22Shirikhallop
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20:43.06ScytheBlade1neat, I have all google services over IPv6 now
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20:45.35ShirikScytheBlade1
20:45.37ShirikI'm bored
20:45.40Shiriklet's do our SC2 game
20:46.20ScytheBlade1sure, rebooting
20:46.41KrapsShirik: cool
20:47.16ScytheBlade1google maps over IPv6 is surprisingly responsive too
20:47.24ScytheBlade1brb rebooting
20:47.27nevcairielwhy wouldnt it be?
20:48.19ArrowmasterShirik: wikipedia is getting fucking retarded on its deletions, they deleted the article for Awesome_(window_manager)
20:48.19ScytheBlade1nevcairiel: all the data is being tunneled through my server
20:48.29ScytheBlade1so google --> server --> me
20:48.43ShirikArrowmaster: Well that had a discussion
20:49.02Arrowmasterthat was a rather well written article imho though
20:49.05ShirikHowever, CSD A7 most definitely does not apply to blackfathom deeps
20:49.16Kraps<PROTECTED>
20:49.31Shadowedhaha
20:49.38ShadowedWhat did the BFD wikipedia article have in it
20:49.44ShirikI don't know I can't see it
20:50.26ShirikArrowmaster: Concerns were simply that it didn't meet notability guidelines, no significant coverage in third-party sources
20:50.58ScytheBlade1Shirik: I'm in
20:51.56Krapsthe neutrality of the wow article is under dispute
20:52.14DWSRI'll neutrality your dispute in a second.
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20:55.38Krapsthats not english
20:57.24Kraps<PROTECTED>
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21:08.33Adysgood
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21:09.08ThraeLopeppeppy: Thanks, looks like exactly what I was looking for.
21:09.34LopeppeppyI think you were lurking to tell me that!  :)  But yay for useful toys.
21:11.28Cairennhuggles Lopeppeppy
21:12.19LopeppeppyHi hi, Cairenn.
21:12.43Cairennhow's the hand feeling today?
21:14.43Aelobindo you need to kill twin emps in order to get to ouro in aq40?
21:14.55nevcairielyes
21:15.08nevcairieldoor doesnt open otherwise
21:15.28foxlittwin emps == most awesome dual-boss fight ever?
21:15.35nevcairieli loved the fight
21:15.49nevcairielwas so much fun
21:16.13Kalrothyou guys obviously weren't melee dps then
21:16.25nevcairieli never was melee dps ever
21:16.35nevcairielbecause they are always screwed
21:17.13foxlitWhat's your melee dps complaint? Running?
21:17.20Kalrothfirst twin kill was awesome, but after that it was "Gah, I spend 50% of the time running and C'Thun thrash is next."
21:17.42foxlitAs a caster, I was threat-limited to like 3 nukes.
21:18.42foxlit"Any ring I bind to a non-modified numeric key (e.g., "5", but not "shift-5") will work as expected first thing when I log on, but after I use it once during combat the ring will no longer function with the assigned key binding."
21:19.05LopeppeppyI tried doing laundry and housework.  Epic fail.  Oh well, I still have some pain meds, it's all info to take to the PT place next week.
21:19.12foxlitWho be stealing my bindings, mon?
21:19.37nevcairielnot me, i only use blizzards binding thing
21:20.02LopeppeppyI be stealin' yoah bindin's.  Nom.
21:20.10foxlitAnd my bindings are override by default. So it has to be someone fancy. I also don't get why it'd work the first time.
21:20.22alestaneNo. NOT doing the quest to find Khadgar's Essays on Dimensional Convergence even if I am going by there.
21:20.36foxlitPoints to my code, but I can't reproduce it, which points away from my code. Boo.
21:20.41KalrothI use ALT+F1 to ALT+F5 to target party members, but there's always some addon crashing the game when I target the fourth party member
21:20.50nevcairieltoo bad
21:20.54LopeppeppyAwwww!  alestane, Khadgar is wicked excellent COOL, you should do his biddings.
21:21.26alestane...you did that quest with me, Lopeppeppy...remember the book in the swamp that you have to get back from the plantie thingies?
21:22.15alestaneThe quest with the average completion time of one hour +/= 55 minutes?
21:22.24alestaneEr, +/-
21:22.55LopeppeppyOver in the corner of the swamp.  Bored out of our minds?
21:23.03alestaneYup, that's the one.
21:23.09LopeppeppyBut.  KHADGAR!
21:23.12Lopeppeppy*cries*
21:23.17foxlitKalroth: but that's five bindings for four party members?
21:23.30Kalrothfoxlit: F1 is for myself, duh!
21:24.54alestaneIf it makes you feel any better, Peppy, it's not even his quest...it's some doofus apprentice who couldn't watch where he was going.
21:25.11LopeppeppyApprentices are  people too!
21:26.40alestaneYou mean they're NOT just a sort of combination unpaid gofer/free test subject?
21:27.08LopeppeppyWell, they *are* free test subjects, but not gophers.  More like two legged gerbils.
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21:35.05Shirikpets Lopeppeppy
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21:35.18LopeppeppyThanks, Shirik
21:40.26alestanefeeds apprentice gerbils to Peppy's cats like popcorn.
21:40.45LopeppeppyRosie is already pudgy enough without popcorn gerbils!
21:42.37ArrowmasterAckis: nice horse head
21:42.55alestaneLopeppeppy: http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9947/foxyv8.jpg
21:46.37Arrowmasterwow fail, Just Cause 2 demo is fucked on display size
21:47.01Fiskerslaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout
21:47.33Fiskeryou're fucked on display size
21:51.01Krapsthis has to be the best NPC name http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=24540
21:58.15ScytheBlade1hm, aside from google.com and gmail.com
21:58.21ScytheBlade1What other sites does google run?
21:58.29nevcairielyoutube
21:58.43Adys!g google-owned properties
21:58.44ScytheBlade1no IPv6 records there
21:58.44batbotAdys: Bank Owned Properties Listings in Olympia to Include Lots - a knol ... <http://knol.google.com/k/leonard-smith/bank-owned-properties-listings-in/1rphjx7tb00ek/52>
21:58.49Adys..
21:58.50ScytheBlade1Adys: fail
21:58.55Adyswhy do you suck shit batbot
21:58.59Adyspicasaweb, picasa
21:59.04ScytheBlade1Both @ .google.com
21:59.06nevcairielpicasa uses a google subdomain
21:59.09Adysoh
21:59.25Adysif you wanna test ipv6
21:59.30Adys!g google-owned domain names
21:59.31batbotAdys: Google's growing list of domains <http://www.pronetadvertising.com/articles/googles-growing-list-of-domains.html>
22:00.04nevcairielheh googlesucks.net
22:00.10AdysCurrently Google owns 520 domain names
22:00.12Adyswtf?
22:00.17Adysthats way, WAY out of date
22:00.18nevcairielaww has no ns entry
22:00.28foxlit"e-perfumez.com"
22:00.34nevcairielthat was written in 2006
22:00.38nevcairielwtf do you expect
22:00.42Adysdude
22:00.57Adyswhat kind of shit does batbot pull to get crappy results like those?
22:01.11ScytheBlade1A google "I'm feeling lucky"
22:01.18nevcairielthats my first hit on google too, fwiw
22:01.26nevcairielbut maybe because i visited the link now
22:01.29nevcairielgoogle is smart like that
22:01.33ScytheBlade1http://pastey.net/133899
22:01.39foxlitTHEY KNOW WHAT YOU VISITED.
22:01.41ScytheBlade1it is kinda neat to see IPv6 entries for such domains
22:01.49foxlit(Even if you didn't do so through google!)
22:02.00foxlitSoon, they'll know what you think, too.
22:02.03foxlit</tinfoil>
22:02.08alestaneGoogle Orb!
22:02.14Adysfwiw
22:02.16Adysi get http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/04/23/google-domain-names-%E2%80%93-the-funny-strange-and-surprising/
22:02.19nevcairielthat would be neat, i don't have to type in the google box anymore then
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22:02.32nevcairieli just click "take me there"
22:02.41Adysoh yeah
22:02.43Adysblogger.com ScytheBlade1
22:02.55ScytheBlade1Also no IPv6 on that one
22:03.04Adysno wonder, thats their second most-shitty service
22:03.05ScytheBlade1I can see no IPv6 on youtube, but blogger surprised me
22:03.18Adysyoutube is the first.
22:05.17AdysYes, we’re big:
22:05.17Adysgooglereligion.com
22:05.17Adysgooglefaith.com
22:05.42nevcairielthey should totally get that going and invent some more religious holidays i can stay home on
22:06.10nevcairieltoday is google apprecation day, can't work, must google
22:06.15nevcairiel+i
22:06.27Adysalso ScytheBlade1
22:06.28Adyshttp://1e100.net/
22:06.44foxlit"because Safari can’t find the server “1e100.net”."
22:06.53ScytheBlade1Yup, that's all of their reverse dns entries
22:06.59ScytheBlade117:06:36.700268 IP6 droid.averageurl.com.57014 > yw-in-x93.1e100.net.http: . ack 1 win 6822 <nop,nop,timestamp 80073391 2951411761>
22:07.37nevcairielgoo.gl?
22:07.54ScytheBlade1Sooner or later we'll just have a .google
22:08.04Adysthey'll prolly buy .gl
22:08.15nevcairielwhat country is that anyway?
22:08.38nevcairielah, greenland
22:09.29Fiskeri fart on you ScytheBlade1
22:09.45Fiskerwe'll defend greenland with every fiber in our being nevcairiel
22:11.40Shirikok someone needs to be shot
22:11.48ShirikI just found a piece of music in the key of F flat major
22:11.55Fiskerthen shoot me Shirik
22:11.57Fiskergive it all you got
22:12.01Fiskertaunts Shirik
22:12.07alestaneSomewhere, there is probably someone who needs to be shot, yes.
22:12.09AdysF-flattens Shirik's shotkeys
22:12.30alestaneHowever, that is probably not a reason to shoot someone.
22:12.36ShirikI think it is
22:13.10Adysalestane: I think the fact that there is probably, somewhere, someone who needs to be shot is a damn good reason to shoot someone
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22:16.36alestaneSometimes, for harmonic reasons, a key or note may be referred to by a less obvious name...for instance, whether a given key should be considered A# or Bb is fairly context-dependent.
22:17.02Corrodiasyyyyep
22:17.03alestaneThere are indeed pieces in Fb, as well as E#, IIRC.
22:17.35alestaneEspeically if you play jazz.
22:17.53foxlitoh wow, UIDropDownMenu is pretty broken.
22:17.59Fiskerhides behind Shirik
22:18.05ShadowedIt's not exactly broken
22:18.09alestanefoxlit: Not news.
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22:18.12LopeppeppyAnd good morning to you too, Fisker.  *poke*
22:18.12foxlitIt's highlights are like a strata or two below the actual menu.
22:18.12Shadowedit's just an old dog that should habe been brought out behind a shed
22:18.13Shadowedand shot
22:18.14Shirikalestane: E# makes a little more sense
22:18.18ShirikFb does not
22:18.21Shadowedhabe = have
22:18.40foxlitMeh, the API itself is fine.
22:18.46alestaneYou left us, Peppy! Why did you leave us?
22:18.55Shadowedwhat :p
22:18.59Shadowedthe API is pretty evil too
22:18.59foxlitDisplay bugs are just odd
22:19.24Lopeppeppyalestane, I went to make dinner and my interwebs went to make dinner too, apparently.
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22:40.09Adys~wowiquotes
22:40.10purlhttp://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes
22:40.47ScytheBlade1lol @ #100
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22:42.06ShadowedAdys, voted most likely to be a serial killer
22:42.37frontendloaderShadowed, voted most likely to be a serial port.
22:42.46ShadowedI can live with that
22:42.56Adysfrontendloader, voted most likely to be a serial unsigned integer
22:43.07ScytheBlade1frontendloader: I have a serial port
22:43.16ScytheBlade1frontendloader: i7, 6GB of RAM, 3TB of disk storage, and a GTX260
22:43.20frontendloaderplugging random things into serial ports
22:43.20ScytheBlade1pats his serial port lovingly
22:43.29frontendloaderis an amazing pasttime
22:45.05ScytheBlade1also, curious
22:45.08ScytheBlade1Anyone on IPv6?
22:45.51Gnarfozthanks to ISPs not offering it, no
22:46.00ScytheBlade1mine doesn't, but I still have it
22:46.02Gnarfozand I don't see the point of tunneling :\
22:46.12ScytheBlade1Curious if someone can run a quick ping6 for me
22:47.30foxlit64 bytes from 74.125.77.147: icmp_seq=1 ttl=57 time=2006.190 ms
22:47.50FiskerAckis is useless
22:48.05ScytheBlade1neat @ http://lg.he.net/
22:48.10ScytheBlade1never mind, you're all worthless
22:48.13foxlit(that's google, btw. YEOWCH)
22:48.18ScytheBlade1Also I can ping my droid from the public internet over IPv6
22:48.35Gnarfozgreat, what's the use of that? ;o
22:48.48Adysask again when he loses his phone
22:48.56ScytheBlade1see above
22:49.01Adyshttp://xkcd.com/530/
22:49.48Gnarfoz~xkcd++
22:49.53Adys~karma xkcd
22:49.53purlxkcd has karma of 4
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22:49.56Adys:(
22:49.59Adys~xkcd++
22:50.45foxlitAnd that's like on a second hop :/
22:55.06ScytheBlade1although, one of my favorite #wowuidev quotes would be #72
22:55.09ScytheBlade1due to the timestamps
22:56.17Adysmy favourite one is #69
22:56.24Adysand not because of its id
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22:59.16Fiskerhttp://looking-glass.telia.net/ ^^
22:59.48Fiskerit's even better with the completely retarded banner
22:59.57ScytheBlade1lol wow @ banner
23:00.22ScytheBlade1in any case, ping6 droid.averageurl.com
23:00.23ScytheBlade1=]
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23:00.41Fiskernaw
23:00.41ScytheBlade1or my wifi is off
23:00.48Fiskeri don't have no ipv6
23:01.33Fiskerreminds me of some letter from my ISP
23:01.41Fiskersomeone asked a lot of ISP's and mine was one of them
23:01.46ScytheBlade1there we go
23:01.52ScytheBlade1--- droid.averageurl.com ping6 statistics ---
23:01.53ScytheBlade15 packets transmitted, 5 packets received, 0% packet loss
23:01.55ScytheBlade1is just neat
23:02.13FiskerThe answer was somewhere in the area of "IPv6 is a new feature in Vista and doesn't have any effect on your internet"
23:02.14Fiskeri lol'd
23:02.23ScytheBlade1wat
23:02.52FiskerYeah
23:03.02Fiskerand then he asked again if he could get IPv6 or what
23:03.12Fiskerand he said that he could use the internet on Vista just fine
23:03.46ScytheBlade1He get any response?
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23:04.28DagmarFor most ISPs the answer is "Sure we'll let you use IPv6 if you pay us 50% more money because 6 is 150% of 4."
23:05.01Fiskerwell eventually after a few replies he finally got the idea to just investigate instead of being a huge retard
23:05.07Fiskerand found out that they did infact not offer IPv6
23:05.36ScytheBlade1shock
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23:08.16cralorHow can I use CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL to catch Guild messages?
23:08.29craloris the channel name just "Guild" ?
23:08.30ScytheBlade1!api CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL
23:08.31lua_botCHAT_MSG_CHANNEL: Fires when a message is received in a world or custom chat channel (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL)
23:08.44zenzelezz!api CHAT_MSG_GUILD
23:08.46lua_botCHAT_MSG_GUILD: Fires when a message is received in the guild chat channel (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CHAT_MSG_GUILD)
23:08.48cralorohhh
23:08.51cralorthankya
23:08.59ScytheBlade1There are several CHAT_MSG_* events
23:09.12craloryeah should've scrolled farther
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23:15.17Lunessastation
23:15.57Fiskerconvenience store
23:17.35ScytheBlade1http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23425530606&sid=5000
23:19.11Kraps"Liars
23:19.12KrapsSomething I've noticed is that all players are cheap. I ask a guy not to rush and he says okay. Like 60 seconds later he has zerglings in my base and my stuff all days. Not only did he lie, but most players who have agreed to no rush have lied. I'm starting to think only kids are playing this game. "
23:19.16KrapsWHAT
23:19.59ScytheBlade1If you lose to a rush, you're pretty bad
23:20.02KrapsSTRANGERS ON THE NET LYING TO OTHER STRANGERS ON THE NET! UNHEARD OF!
23:20.07ScytheBlade1As the point of a rush is rarely to kill the opponent :/
23:20.12DagmarScytheBlade1: Or you're still trying to learn the damn game
23:20.21ScytheBlade1Dagmar: that is what the AI is for.
23:20.38DagmarOh so people should just let the AI do it's thing and admire the pretty colors
23:20.51ScytheBlade1The AI is currently _terrible_
23:21.13Fiskerslaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout
23:21.14Fiskerslaps ScytheBlade1 around a bit with a large trout
23:21.18ScytheBlade1I'll add that I played a good 10 rounds as random against the AI, and then did a series of 2v2s with ckknight and placed into platinum
23:21.22Fiskerboth slap'd
23:21.32ScytheBlade1so I'd say learning from the AI is worthwhile and effective
23:21.36Dagmar...and I was under the impression that the entire _point_ of a zerg rush *was* to kill the other player before they have a chance to establish any kind of defense
23:22.02ScytheBlade1no, the point is to take out as many workers as they can before dying
23:22.09ScytheBlade1And cripple the opponent from the start
23:22.12ScytheBlade1not outright kill them
23:22.39DagmarSo, it's actually _less_ honorable than it appears on the surface
23:22.43ScytheBlade1Much
23:23.13DagmarSo how is fixing it so someone can't win any different from winning
23:23.36ScytheBlade1Because being even "okay" at the game means you can stop a rush pretty soundly
23:24.12DagmarAnd yet you've already lost because you can no longer gather resources at the rate the person who zerged does
23:24.31DagmarStuff like that is why I just don't bother with multiplayer
23:24.33ScytheBlade1No, because if your opponent can build proper units, you can too
23:24.41DagmarWith what resources?
23:24.48DagmarI used to play WCIII.
23:25.10ScytheBlade1Your question makes no sense
23:25.13DagmarIt's not like I'm some innocent who doesn't know that the guy who zergs generally wins based on the edge it gives them
23:25.15ScytheBlade1With the resources you gathered?
23:25.32ScytheBlade1If you're okay at the game, you can stop the rush without worker loss
23:25.41ScytheBlade1And leave your opponent at a pretty big disadvantage
23:26.42DagmarI'll turn this another way then so you can see the thing you're overlooking
23:26.52Dagmar"If you can't win with a zerg you're bad at the game"
23:26.54ScytheBlade1If it comes down to "hey no rush" then you're saying you have very little idea how to play the first 5-10 minutes of the game, imo
23:27.07ckknighttrue
23:27.18ScytheBlade1You can rush just fine with protoss and terran..
23:27.59ScytheBlade1The term "zerging" isn't specific to the zerg race
23:28.04ScytheBlade1However counter-intuitive that may seem
23:28.28Dagmars/zerg/zerg rush/;
23:28.38DagmarIt's got nothing to do with what team you're using
23:28.48ScytheBlade1okay agreed
23:28.55ScytheBlade1Curious where your disconnect is though
23:29.22DagmarBecause your earlier statement boils down to nonsense.  It boils down to "if you can't win with x you suck"
23:29.31ScytheBlade1What?
23:29.34ScytheBlade1No it doesn't
23:29.45ScytheBlade1Explain that to me :P
23:30.03Dagmar"<ScytheBlade1> If you lose to a rush, you're pretty bad"
23:30.14ScytheBlade1Because you have no idea how to play the first several minutes of a game
23:30.39ScytheBlade1If I can do it in 2 minutes, you can also do it in 2 minutes, and counter it just fine
23:30.47DagmarThen by the same token if you fail with any given technique you are also "pretty bad"
23:31.17ScytheBlade1No, I'm talking just about rushes
23:31.19ScytheBlade1Little else
23:32.20frontendloaderoooh starcraft debate
23:32.27frontendloadertime to drop some knowledge on yas
23:32.55DagmarSo they still ban people for selling accounts, right?
23:33.06Lopeppeppyyes
23:33.52frontendloaderzerg rushing isn't as effective as one might think
23:34.26frontendloaderespecially on good maps like lost temple where both terran and protoss can set up early wall-ins
23:35.01Fiskerbest topic ever
23:35.11Fisker"OMG BLIZZARD IS IGNORING US SO I MADE THIS THREAD SO BLIZZARD WON'T IGNORE US"
23:35.14Fiskerhurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
23:36.18DagmarFisker: More proof we need an orbital death laser protocol for IPv4
23:42.16Krapswould pandora cause framerate issues in wow?
23:42.35LunessaCould.  Anything that sucks up CPU time.
23:42.42LopeppeppyIt's streaming, so of course it could.
23:43.36cralorwhat's most efficient way to see if a specific player is on?
23:43.45DagmarCell phone.
23:43.48cralorGetNumWhoResults work?
23:45.58ckknightKraps: yes, Flash sucks up CPU like an anteater
23:46.01ckknight...or a vacuum
23:46.10ckknight...or some other kind of sucking mechanism
23:46.15ckknightRussian hooker
23:46.18ckknightI'm settling on that.
23:46.19Dagmarding!
23:46.41Krapswhy Russian?
23:46.54DWSRwho cares?
23:47.18Krapsdont put our American girls out of business
23:47.25DWSRThey're all fat.
23:47.32DWSRSo yes, please dpo
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23:55.26alestane"I woke up face down on my laptop with three windows open: itunes, chat roulette and redtube"
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23:58.35ckknightalestane: lol

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