| 00:00.18 | Adys | Cannot copy a2_master_dialogue_accelerator_control_unidentified_ship_this_area_is_restricted_to_corporate_traffic_please_state_your_business: Specify a different file name |
| 00:00.21 | Adys | well that sucks |
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| 00:05.02 | Adys | man |
| 00:05.05 | Adys | windows is so fucking terrible |
| 00:06.59 | Dagmar | Whose bright idea was it to save disk space by putting the entire document in the goddamn filename? |
| 00:07.35 | Adys | its a wav file |
| 00:07.44 | Adys | but yeah thats pretty fucked up |
| 00:07.46 | Adys | though |
| 00:07.53 | Adys | windows filename limitations are worse |
| 00:08.10 | Arrowmaster | you are using ntfs right? |
| 00:08.13 | Adys | yes |
| 00:08.32 | Arrowmaster | it could be a limit of the shared folder transfer method but i doubt it |
| 00:08.59 | Arrowmaster | but ive seen much more restrictive file systems, like all optical media filesystems |
| 00:09.11 | Adys | okay seamless mode is awesome |
| 00:10.21 | Arrowmaster | yeah ive got an 800x600 window open of a game ontop of my irc client, no windows crap anywhere to be seen |
| 00:12.02 | Shirik | lol Dagmar |
| 00:12.06 | Shirik | entire document in the filename |
| 00:12.26 | Dagmar | Seriously |
| 00:13.57 | Adys | Arrowmaster: do I need to install video card drivers? |
| 00:14.03 | Adys | i guess not |
| 00:14.13 | Arrowmaster | the guest software did all that for you |
| 00:20.30 | Arrowmaster | crap, my bottle of eye drops only had one drop left in it |
| 00:21.02 | Lopeppeppy | You didn't sense this doom the last time you used it? |
| 00:21.33 | Arrowmaster | it was a tiny little sample bottle from my doctor |
| 00:21.51 | Arrowmaster | luckly i have other eye drops |
| 00:22.31 | Lopeppeppy | You didn't buy more than the sample? *poke* Silly. |
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| 00:23.37 | Arrowmaster | why do i feel concerned after reading the inactive ingredients on this sample box and seeing the words 'hydrochloric acid' |
| 00:24.01 | WobWork | cause the bottle's almost empty? =) |
| 00:24.06 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: meh, vinegar + salt == hcl |
| 00:24.12 | Arrowmaster | it is empty |
| 00:24.22 | Lopeppeppy | Too late then, dude. |
| 00:24.30 | Jerub | I cleared 10toc for the first time last night :D |
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| 00:31.50 | cogwheel | anyone know if joss whedon has said anything about google wave? |
| 00:32.38 | Lopeppeppy | ? |
| 00:32.50 | cogwheel | it was named after the waves from firefly :) |
| 00:33.08 | cogwheel | seems like something someone would've interviewed him about... |
| 00:33.13 | Arrowmaster | waves from firefly? |
| 00:34.48 | Jerub | there are dozens of firefly references in wave too. |
| 00:35.04 | Arrowmaster | well i wouldnt know since i dont have an invite |
| 00:35.25 | cogwheel | Arrowmaster: http://www.fireflywiki.org/Firefly/CortexLexicon |
| 00:36.03 | Arrowmaster | oh |
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| 01:10.38 | Thunder_Child | needs his rts/tbs fix |
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| 01:28.43 | p3lim | will wowprogramming xml browser be updated to the new PTR soon? |
| 01:30.59 | tem | ask in #wowprogramming imo |
| 01:35.00 | p3lim | also, the new return values from ... that can be accessed in lua files now, is there any discussion on some forum about it? |
| 01:35.20 | p3lim | something like this: addonName, addonTable = ... |
| 01:36.46 | cogwheel | what kind of info are you looking for? |
| 01:37.01 | p3lim | just wondering if there is any discussion about it |
| 01:37.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm curious what exactly it is |
| 01:37.03 | cogwheel | it's basically a "do whatever you want with these" feature |
| 01:37.05 | p3lim | and what does ... return |
| 01:37.12 | cogwheel | it doesn't |
| 01:37.16 | ScytheBlade1 | well, addonName and addonTable :) |
| 01:37.18 | cogwheel | the file itself is a lua chunk |
| 01:37.22 | p3lim | just those two? |
| 01:37.26 | p3lim | and in that order? |
| 01:37.30 | cogwheel | and ... is the set of parameters passed in when the chunk is run |
| 01:37.34 | ScytheBlade1 | shuts up and lets cog talk |
| 01:38.30 | p3lim | so, an example, i could have a localization table on addonTable and use it another lua file? |
| 01:38.38 | p3lim | (without libs) |
| 01:39.53 | alestane | All the files loaded by the same add-on .toc file will have the same table passed to them as the second argument. |
| 01:39.55 | cogwheel | less for "without libs" and more for "without globals" |
| 01:40.09 | ScytheBlade1 | oh neat |
| 01:40.11 | ScytheBlade1 | local globals |
| 01:40.20 | ScytheBlade1 | finally |
| 01:40.29 | alestane | So one file could populate the table with something and another file, loaded later from the same .toc, could use the something. |
| 01:40.49 | alestane | Your add-on can opt not to share this table with anything else. |
| 01:40.57 | p3lim | its neat |
| 01:41.10 | alestane | It's basically "private shared storage." |
| 01:41.25 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: "Global locals" might be slightly more accurate. |
| 01:41.37 | alestane | :D |
| 01:41.39 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 01:41.44 | cogwheel | chuckles |
| 01:41.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I was going to say, I like my less tehnically accurate term better |
| 01:42.30 | Arrowmaster | its equelvent to creating a table in the global scope in your first file and then making a local reference to it in every file, followed by niling the global reference in your last file |
| 01:42.36 | alestane | The first argument allows your addon to pick up on the fact that someone has renamed it, for instance. |
| 01:42.49 | Arrowmaster | you have a table thats a local reference in every file but nothing outside of your files can access it |
| 01:43.01 | p3lim | is the table empty when its not used? |
| 01:43.09 | alestane | Arrowmaster: Very nearly, but without ever having to put the table into the global scope to begin with. |
| 01:43.21 | cogwheel | yep. the first lua file gets a brand new table |
| 01:43.30 | alestane | p3lim: The table is empty when it's given to the first file in your .toc. |
| 01:43.43 | alestane | After that, it's in whatever condition the last file left it in. |
| 01:43.48 | p3lim | coolio |
| 01:43.56 | Arrowmaster | p3lim: its probably created and then gc'd if nothing is keeping a strong reference to it when the addon is done loading |
| 01:43.56 | p3lim | so it can basically be my localization table |
| 01:44.31 | cogwheel | yep. though you'll probably want to put another subtable in it in case you need to use it for anything else ;) |
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| 01:45.01 | alestane | I'm not sure if that application gains substantial benefits from this feature, but there's no reason you can't. |
| 01:45.12 | ScytheBlade1 | About time we got that is all I really have to say |
| 01:46.14 | alestane | I think I started pushing for it when LK was in beta or so (although the table was not actually my idea), but it's not exactly a high-priority feature. As Arrowmaster points out, you could effectively do it before. |
| 01:46.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh sure |
| 01:46.30 | ScytheBlade1 | But it is simply something that nearly _every_ addon does |
| 01:46.43 | Arrowmaster | the only real benefit is that the way this is designed, most people will probably have a local table to reference in every file instead of a slower global |
| 01:46.55 | ScytheBlade1 | And "slower" is very relative |
| 01:47.10 | Arrowmaster | there is a big difference in global vs local |
| 01:47.11 | alestane | My original notion was that ... would be the name you were loaded with, followed by any optional dependencies that happened to be present. |
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| 01:52.48 | Shirik | grocery store fried chicken = win |
| 01:53.54 | Thunder_Child | fried chicken is never win |
| 01:54.08 | Shirik | you are right |
| 01:54.11 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: had the same thing the other night |
| 01:54.12 | Shirik | it is epic win |
| 01:55.33 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: I think it's only fair to warn you, some locales (like mine) forbid the use of (most) handsfree systems while driving |
| 01:55.40 | Shirik | so your statistics may be skewed because of that |
| 01:56.00 | WobWork | ~0%3 |
| 01:56.07 | Arrowmaster | just not filling out my survey? |
| 01:56.17 | Shirik | I just noticed :( |
| 01:56.25 | Arrowmaster | i think i need to close it tonight |
| 01:56.29 | Lopeppeppy | and many more are outlawing them |
| 01:57.25 | Arrowmaster | stupid fucking broken system |
| 01:57.32 | Shirik | it's not broken |
| 01:57.33 | Arrowmaster | i cant check my messages on my school website |
| 01:57.44 | Shirik | oh you're talking about the survey system |
| 01:57.44 | Arrowmaster | 'access denied' |
| 01:57.47 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 01:57.51 | Arrowmaster | my schools website |
| 02:00.10 | Shirik | well in any case I thought you meant the law |
| 02:01.57 | Arrowmaster | finally got in and checked my messages |
| 02:02.30 | Lopeppeppy | Random parental unit is random. *shakes head to remove cobwebs* |
| 02:03.17 | Arrowmaster | one of my group members sent in 10 results of them getting people to fill out the survey but the other 2 still havent, so i need to send my 60+ results soon so the report can get written |
| 02:03.45 | Lopeppeppy | Soonest begun, soonest done, ESPECIALLY with group work. :) |
| 02:03.58 | Lopeppeppy | Night night, normal people. Night night, abnormal code monkeys. Goodnight, Shirik. |
| 02:04.06 | Shirik | I am none of the above? |
| 02:04.13 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 02:04.40 | Legorol | So frustrating... Shartuul's Transporter event has two major bugs :( |
| 02:04.46 | Arrowmaster | 2 weeks to do it and we didnt get a subject decided until 1 week in because there was no time that all of us were available to meet |
| 02:04.55 | Legorol | Took me 45 minutes to get through the event and beat it, and it's harder than it ever was |
| 02:04.56 | cogwheel | Shirik: normal code monkey perhaps? |
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| 02:12.55 | Shirik | perhaps cogwheel |
| 02:12.59 | Shirik | or just abnormal |
| 02:21.10 | Arrowmaster | ah crap i cant download the results with this free surveymonkey account |
| 02:23.34 | ScytheBlade1 | can you... view them? |
| 02:23.42 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 02:23.50 | ScytheBlade1 | printscreen? |
| 02:23.56 | Shirik | Can you wear a blue shirt with a full (black) suit? Or is it supposed to be white? |
| 02:24.42 | Dagmar | I wouldn't go with like baby blue or something |
| 02:24.47 | Dagmar | Robin's egg is definitely out |
| 02:25.00 | Dagmar | Something in a light slate or otherwise very desaturated blue would be fine |
| 02:25.10 | Dagmar | ...and I swear I'm not gay I just dress like one. |
| 02:25.39 | Dagmar | Your main options are white or grey |
| 02:27.12 | WobWork | You could probably wear a blue shirt with a black suit |
| 02:27.19 | WobWork | if the tie was nice |
| 02:27.40 | Dagmar | The shirt can't out-speak the suit tho |
| 02:27.46 | Dagmar | ...and with black that can be tricky |
| 02:27.52 | WobWork | I'm assuming a dark blue |
| 02:28.34 | Dagmar | The tie has to be something that will land in between the shirt and the coat tho if it's a dark shirt |
| 02:28.51 | Dagmar | Otherwise you wind up with that glowing "I'm here to shoot someone" mafioso look |
| 02:30.16 | Shirik | lol "I'm here to shoot someone" |
| 02:30.21 | Shirik | yes it was a dark blue WobWork |
| 02:31.06 | Dagmar | You want a very dark tie then |
| 02:31.44 | Shirik | it's a hard-to-explain tie but it goes with the shirt I think |
| 02:31.49 | Dagmar | Of course, if you can get a tie from the school the interviewer graduated from, it might be a little unsubtle but it shows you have an interest |
| 02:31.53 | Dagmar | It has naked women on it? |
| 02:31.53 | Shirik | I've worn the shirt with black pants before and the tie, just never with a suit overcoat |
| 02:31.58 | Shirik | ... no |
| 02:32.05 | WobWork | =( |
| 02:32.28 | Dagmar | Don't tell me you have one of those tacky things with some commercial product drawn on it over and over |
| 02:32.49 | Shirik | no |
| 02:32.49 | Arrowmaster | ive worn a black shirt with black pants and a red tie before |
| 02:32.55 | Shirik | it's very simple |
| 02:33.08 | Dagmar | So how is the tie hard to explain? |
| 02:33.17 | Shirik | because like |
| 02:33.24 | Shirik | from a distance it looks like a straight black tie |
| 02:33.38 | Shirik | but if you look close up it almost looks striped. But it's not. It just shines strangely like |
| 02:33.42 | Shirik | I don't know >< |
| 02:33.56 | Dagmar | Oh. that'll be fine as long as it doesn't like, have sequins or something on it |
| 02:34.01 | Shirik | no |
| 02:34.07 | Shirik | it's very plain |
| 02:34.23 | Dagmar | If the coat is black and the tie is black then you're probably more than fine there |
| 02:34.28 | Dagmar | You'll actually appear coordinated |
| 02:34.47 | Shirik | what does that mean? |
| 02:35.07 | Arrowmaster | i think i really pissed off one of my teachers when i went up on stage to receive an award at a state conference wearing all black, a red tie, black fitted baseball cap on backwards, and my really big black leather duster |
| 02:35.41 | Shirik | lol Arrowmaster |
| 02:35.43 | Shirik | win |
| 02:36.01 | Shirik | it was ok until the baseball cap + leather duster |
| 02:36.06 | Shirik | p.s. what is a leather duster (I can only imagine) |
| 02:36.08 | Arrowmaster | to accept a 3 foot trophy for first place |
| 02:36.26 | Dagmar | Shirik: It's like a trenchcoat, but with more ostentatiousness |
| 02:36.29 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: you know the trench coats you see in western movies |
| 02:36.37 | Dagmar | It's like a trenchcoat with a short opera cloak built in |
| 02:36.55 | Dagmar | Unless you're actually in a dusty area, it's for show |
| 02:36.59 | Shirik | all black + red tie + baseball cap on backwards reminds me of http://www.madcatx.com/albums/POTD/C1EE1_microsoft_word_write_letterz_n.jpg |
| 02:37.35 | Arrowmaster | a real proper duster isnt made from black leather but from normal leather and is coated in lots and lots of oil so water just rolls off of it and doesnt soak in |
| 02:37.57 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Could be worse. I was on the outs with some of my teachers my senior year (as in, they'd pissed me off) and I showed up at a similar event with lurid orange pants and sportscoat on |
| 02:38.10 | Dagmar | The _exact_ color required to seriously give a video camera hell |
| 02:38.15 | Shirik | lmao @ the comments: http://moronail.net/img/1147_Microsoft_Word_Write_letterz_n_shit_computers |
| 02:38.35 | Shirik | "no shit it's shopped" |
| 02:38.37 | AbsolutRayne | Civ4 can make you feel so bad morally. :( |
| 02:39.01 | Shirik | AbsolutRayne: I can make you feel bad morally |
| 02:39.09 | Dagmar | AbsolutRayne: Morals tend to require a community-derived center to work from |
| 02:39.16 | AbsolutRayne | Shirik: Yeah but youre paid to do that |
| 02:39.22 | Dagmar | AbsolutRayne: If you're all that's left. Your morals win. |
| 02:39.31 | Arrowmaster | i think the best description of how i looked was probably 'silent bob wearing a tie' |
| 02:39.37 | AbsolutRayne | Dagmar: Something about rolling up to a town to take it over, they barely have Riflemen, and you have tanks. :( |
| 02:39.51 | Shirik | I'm paid to do that? |
| 02:39.53 | Dagmar | Screw that. Send in a spy and turn the place |
| 02:39.58 | Shirik | Please tell me from who |
| 02:40.02 | AbsolutRayne | Oh and Destroyers in their Water space, picking off fishing boats. |
| 02:40.05 | Shirik | I need to sue someone about paychecks missing |
| 02:40.10 | AbsolutRayne | Shirik: The US Government |
| 02:40.20 | AbsolutRayne | Get sueing |
| 02:40.21 | Shirik | It's bush's fault again! |
| 02:40.30 | Shirik | that guy breaks everything |
| 02:40.44 | Dagmar | Not just Bush... Republicans. |
| 02:40.48 | Shirik | I still don't understand how the hell he won a second term |
| 02:40.52 | AbsolutRayne | Dagmar: Oh thats not the worst part. Halfway through the invasion, I got Mechanized Infantry |
| 02:40.53 | Shirik | still |
| 02:40.56 | AbsolutRayne | Just an ourright slaughter. |
| 02:41.01 | AbsolutRayne | outright* |
| 02:41.11 | Dagmar | Shirik: It's amazing how effective large piles of money given to the people who make the vote tabulating equipment can be |
| 02:41.16 | AbsolutRayne | Anyone here Powerlevel Engineering by chance? |
| 02:41.29 | Shirik | AbsolutRayne: I'm an engineer |
| 02:41.32 | AbsolutRayne | Im trying to get an approximate cost. |
| 02:41.36 | AbsolutRayne | For my Rogue |
| 02:41.38 | Shirik | I'm almost maxxed out but it's taken me 5 years |
| 02:41.47 | Dagmar | The things Diebold did during those years is just crazy |
| 02:43.16 | Dagmar | When you've got a division that's making voting equipmsent, and they're pretty much the ONLY people in that space by both hook and crook, you don't spin them off into their own company unless you're looking to compartmentalize liability... |
| 02:43.26 | Dagmar | ...and there would be only one reason to do that. |
| 02:44.38 | Dagmar | Either you want to make sure your main company shows as big a loss as possible, or you think there's a chance the veracity of your equipment may be demonstrated to be questionable |
| 02:47.03 | Thunder_Child | right Dagmar, because there can be only 2 reasons |
| 02:47.14 | Dagmar | Can you think of any others? |
| 02:47.29 | Thunder_Child | nope, but neither can you prove there are only 2 |
| 02:47.49 | Dagmar | I wasn't looking to prove there were two |
| 02:47.55 | Dagmar | I can think of only one that makes any sense |
| 02:48.06 | Dagmar | I merely gave the second to show how ludicrous the normal reason would be |
| 02:48.12 | Dagmar | That arm of the company was making money |
| 02:48.26 | Arrowmaster | i can prove theres only one reason, doing something you know is wrong and trying to cover it up |
| 02:48.56 | Arrowmaster | THATS ALL CAPITALISTS DO |
| 02:49.09 | Dagmar | I frankly think they were at the highest levels aware that some skullduggery was going on and they wanted to be sure it wouldn't take out all of Diebold if it got out |
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| 02:52.31 | Shirik | capitalizes on Arrowmaster |
| 02:53.14 | Jerub | okay, I know he's not loved here, but todays faildruid is awesome. |
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| 02:54.10 | Dagmar | faildruid? |
| 02:54.27 | Jerub | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.13 | Dagmar | heh |
| 02:55.43 | Dagmar | I actually printed a papercraft 'flimsy dwarf mask' for my halloween costume |
| 02:55.54 | Jerub | win. |
| 02:56.23 | Jerub | i just wore the most horrifying shirt i own (a long sleeve 'salmon' coloured shirt) |
| 02:57.45 | Arrowmaster | i just stayed in the house, think i watched a movie and started playing f/sn again |
| 02:58.13 | Arrowmaster | doesnt like interacting with local meatbags |
| 02:59.01 | Jerub | i went to my brother in laws's party. |
| 02:59.24 | Jerub | he was puking by 8:30 and asleep by 9. idiot was drinking nearly straight vodka like beer. |
| 03:09.31 | Dagmar | Serves him right then |
| 03:10.03 | Dagmar | To my knowledge, and I could be wrong, no one wound up puking all over themselves at Phreaknic this year |
| 03:10.54 | Dagmar | I'd like to think that this is a positive trend, but I know next year we'll probably have two people puking off the balcony before the first night is even half over |
| 03:11.14 | Ginji | hmmm street pizza's, delicious ... |
| 03:11.26 | Dagmar | From nine floors up it's a little more like rain |
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| 04:49.04 | Sarkp | yankees win! |
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| 04:55.33 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly, i knew that, only because i foolishly follow @gruber on twiter |
| 04:57.35 | Fisker | slaps NightHawkTheSane around a bit with a large trout |
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| 05:04.45 | cogwheel | lol... mrs cog and i just got our dks to 71... and realized we could've been flying for the last 3 levels in northrend |
| 05:05.34 | NightHawkTheSane | grats :P |
| 05:05.56 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 05:06.03 | cogwheel | "congratulations on figuring that out--dumbasses" --mrs. cog |
| 05:06.06 | Dagmar | How many kids did you have to sell for the gold, tho'? |
| 05:06.12 | Yssaril | i found leveling to be faster if you stay grounded all those mobs you agro give nice xp :) |
| 05:06.21 | cogwheel | (at us, of course) |
| 05:07.00 | Dagmar | Now let's see long it takes you to say "Screw these zones, we're going to Icecrown to get 80" |
| 05:07.37 | cogwheel | i like the cinematics |
| 05:08.51 | Dagmar | Wrathgate is the last one I think |
| 05:09.10 | Dagmar | I don't even remember if I held out that long on my DK or not |
| 05:09.25 | cogwheel | can't wait to level a gnome priest |
| 05:10.05 | Dagmar | I may just make a goblin simply because I have no respect for the residents of Gilneas |
| 05:11.24 | Thunder_Child | is 'ninjaing' a reportable offense? |
| 05:12.05 | cbreak | report it to the guild of the ninja |
| 05:12.11 | Dagmar | Depends on what someone managed to ninja |
| 05:12.22 | Dagmar | Mainly I think you're on your own |
| 05:14.32 | ccox | how many dog jokes will we have with cataclysm? |
| 05:14.47 | ccox | "who let the dogs out" |
| 05:14.53 | Dagmar | Oh yes, I'm sure "THAT BITCH!" will be repeated a lot |
| 05:14.57 | ccox | "had to put down a dog" |
| 05:15.12 | Dagmar | "Doin' it doggie style" |
| 05:15.48 | Dagmar | ...and of course, the perennial "Why is he licking himself in public like that?" |
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| 05:19.45 | AbsolutRayne | blerg, I feel like building a new UI |
| 05:20.29 | Dagmar | I started to draw an enclosure for my buttons last night with a big banner over the top that says "DK WHACKAMOLE!" |
| 05:22.05 | AbsolutRayne | I kind of want something more Minimal than I already have for my Rogue |
| 05:22.23 | AbsolutRayne | Drop from 24 to 12. |
| 05:23.47 | Dagmar | I make most of my buttons disappear in combat, but I don't think I could get by with just 12 |
| 05:24.20 | AbsolutRayne | I think I can. |
| 05:24.21 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan@c-76-107-191-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 05:24.30 | AbsolutRayne | Since I dont play my tank anymore, and I dont have any use trinkets |
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| 05:43.38 | Fisker | *how do i drived car? |
| 05:44.10 | Jerub | my bear can be operated with 6-7 buttons. |
| 05:46.15 | Fisker | it is on us servers Thunder_Child |
| 05:46.25 | Sarkp | Fisker: i accidentally my keyboard, what should i do? |
| 05:46.28 | Fisker | unless they started being less retarded |
| 05:46.36 | Fisker | the whole keyboard Sarkp ? |
| 05:47.02 | ccox | (this passage brought to you by non-sequiter theatre) |
| 05:47.10 | Sarkp | THE WHOLE THING |
| 05:47.14 | Fisker | damn |
| 05:47.19 | Fisker | anyways bustiems |
| 05:47.20 | Fisker | ;( |
| 05:47.28 | Fisker | damn you to hell Thunder_Child |
| 05:47.36 | Fisker | btw us ninja looting policies are nice |
| 05:47.56 | Fisker | So nice infact that someone who had mainspec->offspec rules had an item transferred to a ninja because he was offspec and mainspec rolled |
| 05:47.57 | Fisker | hoho |
| 05:48.10 | Fisker | but he "won" the roll |
| 05:48.14 | Fisker | bai |
| 05:48.16 | Thunder_Child | w/e Fisker |
| 05:50.02 | Sarkp | Here's how it is... |
| 05:51.54 | Sarkp | Earth-that-was got used up. |
| 05:54.05 | Jerub | Sarkp: wait, is that 'Earth 2' or 'Firefly' ? |
| 05:54.21 | Sarkp | earth 2? |
| 05:54.49 | Jerub | I had a raid a while back that basically said "no loot to anyone but tanks and healers on this boss because we are more important" /after/ downing NR beasts. |
| 05:55.03 | Jerub | he said this on vent. |
| 05:55.39 | Jerub | 30 seconds later he said, "nevermind, everyone roll if it's your mainspec" - I think more than one raid member told him what they thought of this policy privately. |
| 05:56.43 | Sarkp | tanks and healers ARE more important, so THERE |
| 05:57.18 | Jerub | I'd like to be able to negotiate DPS MS rolls if I come in as a DPS and they ask me to change to heals :/ |
| 05:57.34 | Jerub | I join raids as DPS because I want to get better DPS gear :/ |
| 05:57.56 | Jerub | but half the time they're like, "I know you, you're an awesome druid healer, and we love druid healers, can you go heals please?" |
| 06:02.45 | ccox | crap, I agreed to heal reg ToC |
| 06:02.53 | ccox | as I go in, they changed it to heroic |
| 06:03.12 | Jerub | ccox: 5man? |
| 06:03.15 | ccox | I heal my roots off and wonder why it's so difficult |
| 06:03.21 | ccox | yeah, 5 |
| 06:03.30 | Jerub | tree? what's your SP? |
| 06:03.37 | ccox | 1949 heals |
| 06:03.46 | Jerub | yeah, it'll be difficult but doable. |
| 06:03.46 | ccox | I didn't think I was geared for heroic ToC yet |
| 06:03.57 | Jerub | nah, 1950 sp is fine for htoc5 |
| 06:04.06 | AbsolutRayne | http://i35.tinypic.com/n1f2uf.jpg What do you guys think of these UFs? |
| 06:04.09 | ccox | we wiped once, but finished it |
| 06:04.10 | Jerub | just requires a little bit of finesse. |
| 06:04.10 | AbsolutRayne | Something im fiddling with |
| 06:04.23 | Jerub | easydric or argent fucking confessor palestress |
| 06:04.26 | ccox | of course, then I agree to DPS hToC, and fiind out that I'm saved |
| 06:04.49 | ccox | palestress - thats' how we wiped |
| 06:04.59 | Jerub | one wipe on palestress is a good run ;) |
| 06:05.20 | *** join/#wowuidev mascondante (i=kvirc@99-196-36-186.cust.wildblue.net) |
| 06:06.02 | Jerub | I need to farm norm toc for the tanking trinket. |
| 06:06.27 | Jerub | i don't really need to do heroics anymore. I've got 80+ EoC that I don't know what to spend on. |
| 06:06.37 | Jerub | I actually downgraded to heroism the other day to buy an offhand for my caster. |
| 06:09.22 | *** join/#wowuidev stolenlegacy (n=stolenle@d86-33-207-79.cust.tele2.at) |
| 06:10.51 | Jerub | And unfortunately, T9.0 is such a small upgrade from T8.5 :( |
| 06:11.22 | Jerub | I really don't know what to do with my EoT - buy rings? pug 25toc and try to get trophies of the crusade? |
| 06:13.51 | Jerub | but i'll need 150 EoT and 2 emblems of the crusade to get a viable upgrade out of them. |
| 06:16.33 | Shirik | we got footloose |
| 06:17.52 | Shirik | waves bye to cog|sleep |
| 06:18.00 | Shirik | mocks cog|sleep's lack of wave |
| 06:23.18 | AbsolutRayne | Is there a way with Quartz to change the size of the border? |
| 06:23.38 | AbsolutRayne | or am I SoL in that department |
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| 06:32.25 | Industrial | Shirik: inv |
| 06:32.47 | Shirik | waves at Industrial |
| 06:32.59 | Industrial | inv != wave |
| 06:33.11 | Industrial | tom.wieland@gmail |
| 06:33.16 | Industrial | gogo |
| 06:35.51 | Shirik | ~x en es invitation |
| 06:36.06 | Shirik | no tengo invitaciónes! |
| 06:37.55 | Industrial | ~x es en no tengo |
| 06:40.54 | Shirik | comprendre? |
| 06:42.38 | Shirik | ha |
| 06:42.43 | Shirik | I have found a real use for Google Wave |
| 06:42.50 | Shirik | D&D! |
| 06:44.27 | WobWork | Shirik: yeah =0 |
| 06:44.29 | WobWork | =) |
| 06:44.35 | WobWork | it's great for that sort of thing |
| 06:47.12 | *** join/#wowuidev cbreak (n=cbreak@217-162-225-215.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 06:47.46 | WobWork | admires the dedication put into today's xkcd |
| 06:47.58 | Shirik | I think that's exactly what they created Wave for |
| 06:48.00 | Shirik | for D&D |
| 06:48.11 | WobWork | hehe, they just didn't want to come out and say it =) |
| 06:48.13 | Shirik | they just needed a sound business reason to do it |
| 06:48.18 | Shirik | so the higher ups would agree |
| 06:49.37 | *** join/#wowuidev cbreak (n=cbreak@217-162-225-215.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 06:51.43 | Shirik | I found this interesting service, "lala" |
| 06:51.54 | Shirik | it may end up replacing, or at least supplementing, pandora for me |
| 06:52.28 | *** join/#wowuidev krka (n=krka@88.80.164.166) |
| 06:53.49 | Shirik | waves at krka |
| 06:55.57 | Industrial | Shirik: I dont get it. is it a store? |
| 06:56.02 | Shirik | not exactly |
| 06:57.17 | Industrial | welcome to lala.com, music for international users will be available soon |
| 06:57.30 | Shirik | They give you 25 song credits for free. You add songs to playlists and can play them as many times as you want, on demand. Beyond the 25 you get for free, you can add additional songs if you want. I'm not sure exactly what the pricing is, but we're talking about $1 for an entire CD |
| 06:57.39 | Industrial | another site being blocked by some stupid US shit licensing company |
| 06:57.47 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:57.51 | Industrial | from sending music internationally |
| 06:58.43 | krka | hi i guess |
| 06:59.11 | Shirik | song credits are $0.10 |
| 06:59.22 | Shirik | And you get 25/mo |
| 06:59.24 | Shirik | for free |
| 06:59.27 | Corrodias | nonamericans aren't real people |
| 06:59.31 | Corrodias | euro == dollar |
| 06:59.37 | Shirik | (but they expirre every month, so they don't accumulate) |
| 06:59.45 | Corrodias | they don't deserve music, either |
| 06:59.47 | Shirik | (but once you've acquired a song, it's yours forever) |
| 07:00.22 | Industrial | do I get the rights to a losless (flac) file of that song? :P |
| 07:00.41 | Shirik | you can only access it via their application |
| 07:00.43 | Industrial | (because else I usually already have it better on doik) |
| 07:00.49 | Industrial | disk* |
| 07:00.55 | Shirik | if you want an mp3, you have to buy it explicitly |
| 07:01.00 | Shirik | which is on par with Amazon |
| 07:01.07 | Shirik | (and mp3 isn't lossless of course) |
| 07:02.50 | batrick | shirik u play d&D? |
| 07:03.00 | Shirik | I probably should |
| 07:03.03 | Shirik | but I have no idea how |
| 07:03.04 | Shirik | OMG |
| 07:03.06 | Shirik | Chess over wave |
| 07:03.07 | Shirik | = win |
| 07:03.26 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 07:03.27 | purl | ~pong |
| 07:03.35 | batrick | you're too busy to play chess with me anymore |
| 07:03.56 | batrick | and you still haven't posted your wow sploit yet |
| 07:04.07 | Shirik | batrick you have wave? |
| 07:04.13 | batrick | yes |
| 07:04.25 | Shirik | play |
| 07:04.28 | Corrodias | what is this Wave? |
| 07:04.51 | Shirik | wtb username |
| 07:06.50 | Corrodias | "an online tool for real-time communication and collaboration" apparently |
| 07:11.00 | *** join/#wowuidev svenadh (n=sven@L0.moenchengladbach01.fdknet.de) |
| 07:11.18 | batrick | shirik |
| 07:11.21 | batrick | i moved my knight |
| 07:11.25 | Shirik | 10 YARD PENALTY |
| 07:11.26 | batrick | swear to god |
| 07:11.29 | batrick | i'll screenshot if you want |
| 07:11.29 | Shirik | I don't see it |
| 07:11.34 | batrick | lol |
| 07:11.46 | WobWork | hehe screenshot it |
| 07:11.49 | batrick | honestly though |
| 07:11.49 | WobWork | then email it to him =P |
| 07:11.54 | Industrial | FAILWAVE |
| 07:11.56 | batrick | wave kinda sucks for chess |
| 07:11.57 | Shirik | I fixed it by reloading the wave |
| 07:12.01 | Industrial | still wants an invite |
| 07:13.11 | Shirik | "Everything's shiny, Cap'n. Not to fret!" Unfortunately, you'll need to refresh. |
| 07:13.12 | Shirik | Wanna tell Dr. Wave what happened? |
| 07:13.13 | Shirik | wtf is that? |
| 07:13.19 | Shirik | I think I just crashed wave |
| 07:13.35 | batrick | IRC chess is easier imo |
| 07:15.29 | Industrial | ~generate female nickname |
| 07:15.30 | Industrial | :3 |
| 07:15.37 | Industrial | purl needs that imo |
| 07:17.04 | batrick | this is the sadest IM experience I've ever had |
| 07:17.15 | batrick | we see everything we type |
| 07:17.19 | batrick | and we just keep typing in the same box |
| 07:17.29 | batrick | so there is no identifiable "flow" of the conversation |
| 07:17.55 | Shirik | batrick |
| 07:18.07 | batrick | this beta really fucking needs a keybind tutorial before you can even start |
| 07:18.09 | Shirik | this is not what Wave is for, lol |
| 07:18.14 | Shirik | I have a good list of keybinds |
| 07:18.17 | Shirik | I just don't know how to post it |
| 07:18.19 | batrick | right now i have no fucking clue what's goin on |
| 07:19.13 | Shirik | there added it to the bottom |
| 07:20.16 | batrick | up/down arrow keys = failure imo |
| 07:20.19 | batrick | need to use hjkl |
| 07:20.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (n=elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 07:20.33 | batrick | wonder if I can rebind though |
| 07:21.23 | Shirik | Corrodias: It's... interesting |
| 07:21.24 | batrick | k i'm done with this shirik |
| 07:21.33 | Shirik | best use I've seen for Wave so far is for collaborative development |
| 07:21.46 | batrick | and observing how much your friends suck at typing |
| 07:21.48 | Shirik | think Microsoft Word or something, but where everyone can type in it at the same time |
| 07:21.55 | Shirik | and you can create little mini-conversations inside of it |
| 07:21.56 | Shirik | and such |
| 07:22.16 | Shirik | it is NOT IM or chat room lol |
| 07:22.25 | Shirik | though that seems to be what most people are usnig it ofr |
| 07:22.27 | Shirik | fort |
| 07:22.29 | Shirik | FOR |
| 07:22.37 | batrick | it's supposed to be able to replace IM tho :( |
| 07:22.37 | Corrodias | yeah... interesting |
| 07:22.46 | Corrodias | not sure i'd have a use for that, mahself. |
| 07:23.21 | Shirik | 99% of Wave users don't have a use for it right now |
| 07:23.24 | batrick | i wonder how many dvds barnes and noble actually sells at their rediculous prices |
| 07:23.31 | krka | in the tech-demo they seemed able to use it as an im |
| 07:23.43 | Shirik | it's possible to use it as an IM |
| 07:24.01 | Shirik | but generally the only reason you'd use wave as an IM is to have a side-IM conversation while working on something collectively |
| 07:24.11 | Shirik | otherwise, why not just use IM? |
| 07:24.13 | Shirik | It's much cleaner |
| 07:24.27 | krka | you're talking gibberish |
| 07:24.29 | krka | wave _is_ an IM |
| 07:24.39 | Shirik | ok |
| 07:24.42 | Shirik | why not use a more conventional IM |
| 07:24.50 | Shirik | like AIM or GTalk or whatever |
| 07:25.00 | Thunder_Child | doesnt quite do what wave does? |
| 07:25.03 | krka | what benefits do a conventional IM have over wave? |
| 07:25.14 | Shirik | you're asking the wrong question |
| 07:25.16 | Thunder_Child | krka, they are not browser dependant |
| 07:25.28 | Shirik | what benefits do wave present over a conventional IM if that's all you're using it for? |
| 07:25.35 | Shirik | does* |
| 07:25.41 | batrick | honestly though, this feels like pre-alpha to me |
| 07:25.41 | krka | don't need to download an IM client? |
| 07:25.48 | Shirik | gtalk? |
| 07:25.50 | batrick | i don't think this should be released to the public right now |
| 07:25.50 | Arrowmaster | thats a downside imho |
| 07:26.02 | Arrowmaster | i hate IM inside a web browser |
| 07:26.03 | krka | you have complete history available, everywhere |
| 07:26.12 | batrick | there are obviously plenty of bugs they could find right now just within company testing |
| 07:26.14 | Shirik | my MSN messenger does that |
| 07:26.22 | Thunder_Child | i like to be able to have an IM going and browse the web |
| 07:26.34 | Thunder_Child | and not have two broswers open to do that |
| 07:26.51 | Cairenn | from what I'm hearing, I'm failing to see how Wave is all that much better than just using Goggle Docs |
| 07:26.56 | krka | what? you can resize the browser to be as large as your regular IM |
| 07:27.00 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, realtime |
| 07:27.14 | Cairenn | GDocs is close enough to real time |
| 07:27.20 | Thunder_Child | krka, browsers have more overhead than IM |
| 07:27.22 | Shirik | yeah, Cairenn, I have actually had a very positive on Wave recently (actually over the past few days) with doing true real-time collaboration |
| 07:27.30 | Arrowmaster | i usually have my browser set to that sites arent allowed to do a lot with hiding parts of the frame so they cant pull weird crap, but the only way to have a decent im using a web browser is to have it hide as much of the browser stuff as possible |
| 07:27.32 | Shirik | working on what is essentially a design document |
| 07:27.37 | Shirik | and Wave is very good at it |
| 07:27.38 | batrick | you don't need to use wow in a browser |
| 07:27.41 | Shirik | I think it was much easier |
| 07:27.50 | batrick | err, wave not wow |
| 07:27.57 | krka | Thunder_Child: true, that's a good argument actually |
| 07:28.09 | Corrodias | web-based WoW sounds like a good idea. |
| 07:28.12 | Shirik | Wave has a huge overhead actually |
| 07:28.21 | Shirik | trying to load some of the larger waves kills my computer |
| 07:28.22 | Arrowmaster | batrick: you dont? |
| 07:28.22 | Corrodias | they should make a 2d flash-based client. |
| 07:28.34 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure google hates flash |
| 07:28.43 | Thunder_Child | he meant wow Shirik |
| 07:28.46 | Thunder_Child | not wave |
| 07:28.47 | Shirik | oh |
| 07:28.55 | Thunder_Child | and blizz LOVES flash |
| 07:29.00 | batrick | zz |
| 07:29.00 | Shirik | I was wondering what the 2d was about lol |
| 07:29.17 | Shirik | how would I jump in a 2d client though... |
| 07:29.23 | Thunder_Child | there isnt a copmuter that dosent hicup @ the D3 site |
| 07:29.30 | Corrodias | you can jump in Link to the Past |
| 07:29.34 | Corrodias | you can jump in WoW to the Past. |
| 07:30.41 | krka | zomg, wow in "a link to the past"-style would rock |
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| 07:32.15 | Shirik | man, I really did something to my leg |
| 07:32.15 | Arrowmaster | bah wtf, the normal groups are so fucking late this week with dexter that some fail group made a fail release |
| 07:32.27 | Shirik | for the past week, every time I kneel down, not even much pressure on my leg, it feels like I'm tearing my skin apart |
| 07:32.29 | Arrowmaster | seriously who the fuck still uses divx instead of xvid |
| 07:32.45 | Adys | so Im transferring files over another hd |
| 07:32.50 | Shirik | Adys, hi |
| 07:33.01 | krka | i prefer h264 on mkv! |
| 07:33.04 | Adys | sick fact: my ~/src folder is 10 times larger than my porn folder |
| 07:33.08 | Shirik | does Wave have some kind of alert functionality saying "hey someone's updating something!" |
| 07:33.14 | Shirik | because you totally came out of nowhere and I was like "wtfhax" |
| 07:33.15 | krka | 720p releases ftw |
| 07:33.19 | Adys | I dont think so Shirik |
| 07:33.23 | Arrowmaster | krka: me too but 1gig per ep is too big for me imho |
| 07:33.26 | Shirik | were you already on it? |
| 07:33.31 | Adys | on which? |
| 07:33.38 | krka | Arrowmaster: that's nothing! |
| 07:33.43 | Shirik | just a few minutes ago |
| 07:33.44 | Jerub | I want a webbased wow client that will let me do stuff like do AH, bank management, and stuff |
| 07:33.49 | krka | why is it too big? get better broadband or larger harddrive |
| 07:33.52 | Shirik | when I edited something and you replied when I wasn't even expecting anything |
| 07:33.53 | Adys | Shirik: Im on wave since a couple of hours |
| 07:33.55 | Adys | oh |
| 07:33.56 | Arrowmaster | krka: yeah i know i have an 11gig bd rip |
| 07:33.57 | Adys | er |
| 07:34.02 | Adys | yeah i just saw you typing |
| 07:34.08 | Shirik | I didn't realize you were on |
| 07:34.11 | Adys | its pretty visible |
| 07:34.17 | Adys | theres this green dot on online members now |
| 07:34.32 | Arrowmaster | but still 1 gig per ep seems large, although for a real bd rip instead of a tv rip i wouldnt mind it as much |
| 07:34.34 | krka | anyone have wave invites? |
| 07:34.46 | Shirik | yeah I know but I didn't look |
| 07:34.51 | krka | Arrowmaster: the tv rip is from digital hd tv, so what's the problem? |
| 07:34.54 | Adys | krka: ScytheBlade1 might, otherwise i might have some others from a friend |
| 07:35.34 | Arrowmaster | tv stations, especially cable and satalite are always overcompressing stuff to get as many channels as they can in the same bandwidth |
| 07:36.27 | krka | true... still, i find the 720p tv episodes to be quite a lot better than the xvids |
| 07:36.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Caleb| (i=caleb@client-136-142.wifi.elte.hu) |
| 07:39.25 | Arrowmaster | lets see, monthly usage total for october, 326.14GB down 118.31GB up 444.45 total |
| 07:40.00 | *** join/#wowuidev Fisker- (i=503f4262@gateway/web/freenode/x-205e5162456d81b2) |
| 07:40.08 | Fisker- | You're the suck Shirik |
| 07:40.29 | Shirik | Arrowmaster? |
| 07:40.31 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 07:40.39 | Arrowmaster | what |
| 07:40.39 | Shirik | I see you are on webchat |
| 07:40.42 | Shirik | l2client |
| 07:40.47 | Shirik | what is that total usage Arrowmaster? |
| 07:40.54 | Arrowmaster | my cable usage |
| 07:41.03 | Shirik | data? |
| 07:41.06 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 07:41.06 | Shirik | wtf |
| 07:41.09 | Shirik | how |
| 07:41.20 | mitch0 | yay, sun replied to our jvm crash issue |
| 07:41.36 | mitch0 | apparently the jvm doesn't really like 1600+ threads :( |
| 07:41.44 | Shirik | here's a thought |
| 07:41.48 | Arrowmaster | well i did dl 17gigs of BD rips the last day of the month |
| 07:41.48 | Shirik | don't make 1600+ threads |
| 07:42.05 | Shirik | I'm not even sure if Windows allows that for a single process |
| 07:42.16 | Shirik | time to test |
| 07:42.17 | mitch0 | it's running on a proper OS though |
| 07:42.28 | batrick | but not a proper language |
| 07:42.32 | Fisker- | Shirik no u |
| 07:42.40 | Shirik | irrelevant, the JVM is responsible for threading |
| 07:42.44 | Shirik | it may pass it off to the OS if it can |
| 07:42.44 | mitch0 | batrick: true that |
| 07:42.52 | Shirik | but if the OS didn't support it, the JVM should handle threading on its own |
| 07:42.53 | Fisker- | If there were a client 2 l2 then i'd probably have l2cliented already |
| 07:43.09 | Adys | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/how-do-i-add-windows-xp-to-grub-boot-loader-375198/ |
| 07:43.10 | Adys | wtf |
| 07:43.11 | Adys | asshole |
| 07:43.19 | batrick | Fisker-: bootstrap |
| 07:43.27 | mitch0 | problem is, the jvm allocates 1M for stack for each thread, which results in OOM sooner or later :( |
| 07:43.28 | Adys | retarded walls of text |
| 07:43.49 | batrick | mitch0: your design is probably broken if you need more than ~100 threads |
| 07:44.08 | mitch0 | batrick: not really, the design is OKish, it's just not optimized |
| 07:44.25 | mitch0 | we could collect some work into worker threads, but that'd make the design more complex |
| 07:44.35 | Fisker- | (I found VERY interesting that M$ refuses to boot from a secondary drive! The M$ arrogant assumption that everyone will install Windows only lives on.....) |
| 07:44.39 | Fisker- | TEH ARROGANCE! |
| 07:44.54 | Fisker- | JVM has mana? |
| 07:45.12 | Adys | Firstly, please don't write entire posts in capital letters as it makes it look like you're shouting. |
| 07:45.16 | Adys | people arent honest enough |
| 07:45.17 | batrick | Adys: how has no one replied to that thread saying "cool story bro" |
| 07:45.22 | batrick | fucking wall of text = no reply imo |
| 07:45.32 | Adys | don't write entire posts in caps because it makes you look like a total asswhack |
| 07:45.32 | batrick | no legitimate* reply |
| 07:46.34 | krka | agree with mitch0, many threads doesn't mean bad design, thread pools and such is an optimization required due to real world limitations |
| 07:47.27 | mitch0 | krka: sadly, it seems we'll have to go that way |
| 07:49.35 | Fisker- | Shirik i also like you |
| 07:50.55 | Industrial | I wish there was an Aion channel not on the Quakenetfail network |
| 07:51.06 | Industrial | it just attracts stupid kids :| |
| 07:51.47 | Jerub | mitch0: why are you using so many threads anyway? one thread per connections or something irrational like that? |
| 07:52.01 | mitch0 | jerub: something like that |
| 07:52.05 | mitch0 | although a bit more complex |
| 07:52.17 | mitch0 | it's an SMS gateway |
| 07:53.42 | krka | one thread per connection is irrational? |
| 07:53.54 | krka | i am not sure you understand the word "irrational" |
| 07:55.19 | Shirik | mitch0 |
| 07:55.20 | Shirik | I just tested |
| 07:55.30 | Shirik | my program was able to get to create 1429 threads before failing |
| 07:55.42 | Shirik | GetLastError() returned status code 8 |
| 07:55.59 | mitch0 | probably out-of-mem |
| 07:56.06 | Shirik | oh lol |
| 07:56.06 | Fisker- | touches Shirik |
| 07:56.06 | Shirik | yeah |
| 07:56.08 | Shirik | OOM |
| 07:56.30 | Fisker- | mana is not memory omg |
| 07:56.36 | mitch0 | try with -Xss128 |
| 07:56.44 | mitch0 | shirik: ^ |
| 07:56.48 | krka | 1M per thread seems insane though |
| 07:57.02 | Shirik | mitch0, this was a C++ application |
| 07:57.03 | Shirik | C actually |
| 07:57.07 | mitch0 | oh |
| 07:57.11 | Shirik | and my application was only taking 43M of memory at the time of failure |
| 07:57.38 | mitch0 | krka: yeah, it is. it's the result of some funky rounding... |
| 07:58.19 | mitch0 | "since the default stack size for Java Threads is 512 KB |
| 07:58.19 | mitch0 | and a mmap() request for 512 KB results in 512 KB + 16 KB and |
| 07:58.22 | mitch0 | is rounded up to 1 MB." |
| 07:59.10 | mitch0 | so it seems we can double our threadcount with just a little tweak to the stack size (480 or somesuch) |
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| 08:03.50 | Fisker- | wtb unlimited ignore list :o |
| 08:04.29 | Shirik | lol, the windows scheduler is so unfair |
| 08:04.57 | Shirik | across my 1400 threads I had them all count up by 1 in a while (true) do ... sleep(1) end loop |
| 08:05.01 | Shirik | Killing threads... |
| 08:05.01 | Shirik | Scanning values...Min: 4488 |
| 08:05.01 | Shirik | Max: 26639 |
| 08:05.10 | krka | i'd prefer it if threads started out with a small stack, and expanded when needed (but never decreased) |
| 08:07.25 | ZorbaGama | krka, that's actually what they do |
| 08:07.42 | ZorbaGama | they (generally) reserve the address space for the thread, but don't commit actual memory until the necessary page is touched |
| 08:07.55 | Shirik | mitch0, are you really dynamically creating 1600 threads? |
| 08:08.02 | ZorbaGama | that's why shirik's app ran out of RAM despite only using 43m - it was out of address space, not raw memory |
| 08:08.17 | krka | oh i see |
| 08:08.18 | mitch0 | what do you mean by dynamically? |
| 08:08.25 | krka | that would be solved by running java in 64 bit mode then? |
| 08:08.26 | ZorbaGama | obviously it is Kind Of Difficult to move a thread's address space around after the fact, so you just have to reserve the address space on creation :) |
| 08:08.32 | ZorbaGama | Yup, it would. |
| 08:08.37 | Shirik | ok, skip the word dynamically first |
| 08:08.45 | ZorbaGama | (assuming java handles 64 bit properly, but I have no reason to believe it doesn't) |
| 08:08.50 | krka | yay, so there's one actual real world benefit of 64 bit java :) |
| 08:08.53 | mitch0 | shirik: then yes :) |
| 08:09.08 | Shirik | why |
| 08:09.11 | mitch0 | we have around 1k clients connecting |
| 08:09.15 | Shirik | ok |
| 08:09.19 | Shirik | then that begs the question |
| 08:09.21 | mitch0 | continuously |
| 08:09.22 | Shirik | are you using a threadpool? |
| 08:09.30 | krka | are you using Mina or something like that? |
| 08:09.33 | mitch0 | already discussed that: not at the moment |
| 08:09.36 | mitch0 | no |
| 08:09.39 | mitch0 | no mina |
| 08:09.45 | mitch0 | plain java.nio.* |
| 08:09.45 | Shirik | Ok then next question |
| 08:09.55 | Shirik | what happens if you create a threadpool with an initial block of 2000 threads? |
| 08:10.16 | mitch0 | dunno, never tried |
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| 08:10.59 | ZorbaGama | yeah that's the point where I'd stop doing one thread per client |
| 08:11.22 | krka | ZorbaGama: when a thread gets garbage collected, can its address space be reused? |
| 08:11.29 | mitch0 | yes. that's what we'll do, too. it's just not fun :) |
| 08:11.35 | ZorbaGama | krka, I presume so, one way or another |
| 08:11.43 | mitch0 | shirik: ah, I see your "dynamically" now |
| 08:11.47 | mitch0 | (at least I think I do) |
| 08:11.55 | ZorbaGama | I don't know if fragmentation can be a major problem or if it reuses the memory for general-purpose (it doesn't come up often) |
| 08:12.00 | mitch0 | those threads are pretty long-lived, if that's what was that about |
| 08:12.02 | krka | mina handles the threadpooling natively, so that's nice atleast |
| 08:12.38 | Shirik | gahhh |
| 08:12.43 | Shirik | I always forget how to compile as 64 bit |
| 08:12.52 | Shirik | Visual Studio requires you change 2 settings and I only ever can find one |
| 08:15.24 | Fisker- | soothes Shirik |
| 08:15.26 | Fisker- | there there |
| 08:17.55 | Shirik | btw, krka / ZorbaGama / mitch0, can confirm that going to 64-bit allows me to do more threads |
| 08:18.01 | Shirik | at 3100 and still going |
| 08:20.17 | Shirik | I'm surprised my computer still runs smoothly with 7000 threads in competition |
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| 08:23.24 | Shirik | ok my app has successfully spawned and is executing 10k threads simultaneously. I'm not waiting for this to finish :P |
| 08:23.50 | Wobin | It's ALIVE! |
| 08:30.51 | Fisker- | Wobin |
| 08:30.53 | Fisker- | stop being alive |
| 08:31.20 | Wobin | It's so hard to quit |
| 08:34.55 | Fisker- | you wouldn't steal a baby Wobin |
| 08:35.36 | Wobin | baby Wobins are CUTE! |
| 08:37.00 | Fisker- | you wouldn't steal a baby, wobin. |
| 08:37.30 | Fisker- | You would steal punctuation though :( |
| 08:37.31 | Fisker- | bastard |
| 08:38.26 | Wobin | hoards, the, commas, |
| 08:38.49 | Fisker- | You wouldn't steal a website |
| 08:41.15 | Fisker- | You wouldn't win the nobel peace-award |
| 08:44.07 | Wobin | I.. wouldn't? =( |
| 08:44.23 | Wobin | I can promise change as much as the next bloke! |
| 08:45.40 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 08:50.26 | Fisker- | you wouldn't win 10 million in the national lottery |
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| 08:57.19 | Fisker- | You wouldn't time out an operation Caleb| |
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| 08:57.57 | Caleb| | I'd give you a time out, doels that count? |
| 09:00.18 | Fisker- | no |
| 09:11.21 | Fisker- | i just think i got brain hemorrhaging |
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| 09:30.53 | Fisker- | you wouldn't nerf rogues TC-Away |
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| 09:45.07 | Fisker- | BAM! |
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| 09:45.13 | Fisker- | I would time out cog's operation |
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| 10:16.57 | Shirik | ok my program made 48600 threads before I killed it |
| 10:18.02 | Shirik | took forever to kill, lol |
| 10:20.32 | Fisker- | Well atleast you didn't obliterate my moms car! |
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| 10:37.44 | mitch0 | read up a bit on this thread issue... unfortunately the heap space and stack space take away from the same available memory, so our only option seems to be to switching to a 64bit jvm... |
| 10:38.54 | Fisker- | makes fun of mitch0's jvm :( |
| 10:39.09 | mitch0 | it's sun's, not mine :) |
| 10:42.00 | Mikk | krka: yeah expanding stacks would be nice... but if you think of it, i'm sure you'll realize that it's pretty much impossible in a linear addressing space |
| 10:42.29 | Mikk | now if they didn't have to share addressing space, it'd be another issue entirely... but then they wouldn't be threads would they ;) |
| 10:43.09 | Torhal | you wouldn't be a troll, Fisker- |
| 10:46.42 | olafski | that doesn't make sense torhal :< |
| 10:47.10 | Torhal | olafski: [03:50] <Fisker-> you wouldn't win 10 million in the national lottery |
| 10:47.14 | Torhal | olafski: [04:30] <Fisker-> you wouldn't nerf rogues TC-Away |
| 10:47.18 | Torhal | etc etc |
| 10:47.39 | olafski | hm |
| 10:47.50 | olafski | him not being a troll still doesn't make much sense to me :P |
| 10:48.47 | Wobin | so.. it fits =P |
| 10:48.56 | Torhal | Exactly |
| 10:49.15 | olafski | bleh fine |
| 10:49.24 | Shirik | Mikk: Obviously the solution is that we need to stop doing linear addressing |
| 10:49.31 | Shirik | we should do two-dimensional addressing |
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| 10:57.12 | Arrowmaster | quantum addressing |
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| 11:01.06 | Arrowmaster | http://omglog.com/uploads/2009/02/retarded_facebook_twitter_guy_from_the_future_50s_space_suit-555x444.jpg |
| 11:01.09 | Arrowmaster | hahaha |
| 11:02.45 | mitch0 | eh ;) |
| 11:03.37 | Pneumatus | is it bad that i just posted a link to that on facebook :< |
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| 11:05.18 | Fisker- | naw Torhal |
| 11:07.21 | mitch0 | nev: you around? |
| 11:08.37 | Fisker- | you wouldn't hut my feelings Torhal :( |
| 11:09.54 | Wobin | builds a sofa cushion fort around Fisker's feelings |
| 11:10.21 | Arrowmaster | Seitokai no Ichizon is so fucking hilarious |
| 11:15.10 | Arrowmaster | cant fucking stop laughing.... too fucking funny |
| 11:15.28 | Fisker- | i wouldn't watch anime |
| 11:17.07 | Wobin | bah |
| 11:17.14 | Wobin | I can't get WoW to run on the right screen |
| 11:17.44 | Fisker- | Tried the left one? |
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| 11:31.25 | Fisker- | rage |
| 11:31.46 | mikma | wobin: i've seen that issue before, the other output didnt support direct3d or so |
| 11:33.48 | mikma | wobin: no, as a matter of fact it was my ibook that did it! |
| 11:35.54 | Arrowmaster | lot of games will only go fullscreen on the main display |
| 11:36.15 | Fisker- | you can change main display |
| 11:36.27 | Fisker- | though you'll have to change all the time |
| 11:36.28 | Fisker- | ;E |
| 11:36.42 | Arrowmaster | goes to bed |
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| 11:41.33 | Wobin | That's better |
| 11:41.43 | Wobin | set the main screen |
| 11:41.48 | Wobin | then moved the start bar to the other |
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| 11:47.12 | Fisker- | you can do that now? :o |
| 11:49.46 | DWSR | family guy just rickrolled me. |
| 11:49.54 | Wobin | I stopped watching =P |
| 11:49.55 | DWSR | And I loved every second of it |
| 11:50.07 | Fisker- | woo baseball shit finally over? |
| 11:50.22 | DWSR | lol, every time I get rickrolled, I let the whole song play. |
| 11:50.34 | DWSR | It's such a fucking awesome tune. |
| 11:51.10 | krka | Mikk: you could copy the current stack to a larger memory area though |
| 11:51.57 | Mikk | yeah but you'll have refs to stack addresses all over the current callstack |
| 11:52.17 | mitch0 | krka: these are "C" stacks, hard to relocate them (at least harder than java memory) |
| 11:52.28 | olafski | there's a family guy episode this week dwsr? :O |
| 11:52.33 | DWSR | no |
| 11:52.37 | DWSR | Watching S5 on my laptop |
| 11:52.39 | krka | hm, are they really real c-stacks? |
| 11:52.56 | krka | i thought the jvm stack was built on top of it |
| 11:53.07 | olafski | dwsr: damn :( |
| 11:53.09 | krka | and the jvm did all the thread switching and stuff |
| 11:53.23 | krka | but maybe it's more close to the OS than that |
| 11:53.28 | mitch0 | well, the sun expert told us these are native stacks |
| 11:53.36 | sylvanaar | its jit |
| 11:54.01 | sylvanaar | is guessing |
| 11:55.48 | Fisker- | then i hate you DWSR |
| 12:00.30 | mitch0 | what an ugly hack in ChocolateBar |
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| 12:23.32 | p3lim | 3.3 ptr still up right? |
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| 12:42.07 | sylvanaar | why would it not be |
| 12:43.22 | sylvanaar | i deleted my ptr install saturday because everyone was sawying patch was mid december |
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| 12:59.04 | Codayus | I've heard mid november, but I have no real way of evaluating that. |
| 12:59.53 | zenzelezz | so I was running around in Splinter Cell, doing all sorts of unrealistic things, as you do... and suddenly I found myself wearing the heat goggles, thinking "dude, dead bodies don't lose body heat that fast" |
| 13:00.45 | Codayus | It's from someone who knows a guy, which is internationally recongized code for "put no credence in this". But nonetheless, I hear November 17th. :) |
| 13:01.29 | Codayus | zenzelezz: 1) How would you know? 2) I agree completely; that's the single most glaring flaw of the game. |
| 13:01.59 | zenzelezz | well, I actually don't know... but I suspect that it would take at least a little longer |
| 13:02.24 | zenzelezz | I'm not sure how "deep" heat goggles actually see, if it's mostly surface heat or not |
| 13:03.16 | Codayus | This calls for a practical test. |
| 13:03.50 | Codayus | The question is, will you find it harder to get your hands on some goggles or a still-warm dead body? |
| 13:03.58 | Codayus | Remember, reheating the body is cheating, and invalidates the test. |
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| 13:04.40 | zenzelezz | hm... good point |
| 13:05.35 | Codayus | Plus, the mechanics of reheating it seem tricky. |
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| 13:29.18 | DWSR | zenzelezz: Bodies don't reach environmental temperature for over several hours, depending on the environment of course. |
| 13:29.37 | DWSR | In a 'normal' environment, this is certainly true, in an extreme environment, your guess is as good as mine. |
| 13:30.11 | DWSR | Regardless, people lying down in a room motionless are probably pretty obviously dead. |
| 13:30.18 | DWSR | So, at the end of the day, does it really matter? |
| 13:30.24 | Wobin | Or faking it |
| 13:30.46 | Wobin | Cause if there were bullets flying, I'd be playing possum as much as possible =P |
| 13:30.53 | zenzelezz | DWSR: was just amusing watching them fade away to nothing in about 60 seconds :) |
| 13:30.59 | DWSR | Wobin: afaik, can you not see their breath on thermal imaging? |
| 13:31.10 | Wobin | maybe face down? |
| 13:31.26 | DWSR | would heat up the area around the face. |
| 13:31.28 | zenzelezz | I don't think you see their breath in SC:CT at least |
| 13:31.43 | DWSR | zenzelezz: Probably just not coded in. I'm talking IRL. |
| 13:31.45 | zenzelezz | in reality I imagine you would, unless the surroundings are pretty warm already |
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| 13:31.59 | olafski | in the original splinter cell people lying down could also be unconscious |
| 13:32.44 | sylvanaar | you dont see warm air |
| 13:32.59 | DWSR | why not? |
| 13:33.04 | sylvanaar | their lips would be warm |
| 13:33.08 | DWSR | And also, it's not just air, but warm water vapour |
| 13:33.13 | sylvanaar | hear doesnt reflet well off the air |
| 13:33.34 | Wobin | depends on how cold the environment is |
| 13:33.45 | Wobin | sub tropical, I'm sure you'd have problems |
| 13:33.53 | DWSR | Indeed. |
| 13:34.05 | DWSR | I'm working under the impression that we're talking about an indoor environment |
| 13:34.11 | DWSR | So about SATP |
| 13:34.24 | Wobin | So, Moral of the story, if you're in a gunfight, make sure it's in the tropics! |
| 13:34.39 | sylvanaar | on the beach |
| 13:34.50 | DWSR | Don't get into gunfights. |
| 13:36.57 | Wobin | pft |
| 13:37.02 | Wobin | practicalities |
| 13:37.31 | sylvanaar | i thought dragonage was coming out today - oh well |
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| 13:45.40 | Fisker | this used to be a nice neighborhood |
| 13:46.47 | Aelo | is feeling fiskerly. |
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| 14:10.09 | Sarkp | "The only athletic sport I ever mastered was backgammon." - Douglas William Jerrold |
| 14:12.11 | mikma | haste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryTOjUJz1PM <- that's one awesome start for a song :D |
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| 14:20.34 | Kaso | There's this char on my realm advertising "BET MONEY TO WIN MONEY IF YOU ROLL 65+ x2 95+ x3 98+ x4" however i cant work it out, the odds are against the casino with those numbers |
| 14:21.36 | nevcairiel | i'm to lazy to run the numbers |
| 14:22.18 | mitch0 | maybe he'll just run off with the money if you'd win x4? :) |
| 14:22.48 | Kaso | i guess that gimmick would make it financially viable |
| 14:22.57 | olafski | odds of rolling 65+ = 46/100 |
| 14:22.58 | nevcairiel | but it seems you're right, 65% he keeps it, 30% you get double etc .. seems like he would make a lose |
| 14:23.09 | nevcairiel | or rather 64%, yea :P |
| 14:23.16 | olafski | etc, calculate the payout :) |
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| 14:24.18 | zenzelezz | olafski: shouldn't that be 36? |
| 14:24.19 | Kaso | on 1000 1g bets he stands to loose about 200g |
| 14:24.37 | olafski | sorry yes zenzelezz :) |
| 14:24.50 | mitch0 | according to my calc, the expected win for the better is .77 |
| 14:24.56 | mitch0 | (for 1 unit of bet) |
| 14:25.02 | mitch0 | I might've screwed up though ;) |
| 14:25.03 | olafski | that would mean the casino wins mitch0? |
| 14:25.11 | mitch0 | yes |
| 14:25.14 | olafski | let's see |
| 14:25.19 | nevcairiel | i bet you screwed up |
| 14:25.20 | mitch0 | but I'm not sure about my math :) |
| 14:25.29 | mitch0 | I'll write a quick simulation :) |
| 14:25.32 | Kaso | i couldnt be arsed to calcualte it so i wrote a lua simulator ;p |
| 14:25.32 | olafski | 65+ = 36/100, 95+ = 6/100 and 98+ = 3/100 |
| 14:25.55 | mitch0 | my calc is this: .02*4 + .03*3 + .3*2 |
| 14:26.44 | mitch0 | (+.65 * 0, but that doesn't matter) |
| 14:27.07 | olafski | so so your expected payout is (0.36 - 0.06 - 0.03)*2 + (0.06 - 0.03)*3 + 0.03*4 = 0.75 ? |
| 14:27.20 | olafski | mitch0: it's 0.64*0 ;) |
| 14:27.32 | mitch0 | still doesn't matter :) |
| 14:27.33 | Wobin | ... so 0? |
| 14:27.36 | nevcairiel | its (0.36 - (0.06 - 0.03)) fwiw |
| 14:27.51 | olafski | dang. true nevcairiel :) |
| 14:28.02 | olafski | I think we've established that the casino does in fact win though? |
| 14:28.09 | Kraps | http://notalwaysright.com/totally-plastered/2958 |
| 14:28.37 | mitch0 | well, I understood 98+ as (99 or 100) (and the rest likewise) |
| 14:28.47 | olafski | wtf kraps :P |
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| 14:28.58 | olafski | hm, I wouldn't mitch0 :< |
| 14:29.08 | nevcairiel | 98+ is usually meant as 98 and upwards |
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| 14:29.29 | olafski | yeah |
| 14:29.31 | mitch0 | modified result: 0.81 |
| 14:29.49 | mitch0 | casino still wins, just not as much |
| 14:30.13 | olafski | 19% is quite a lot I'd say.. blackjack for instance comes down to a lot less if you play the odds properly |
| 14:30.18 | Kraps | olafski: having had many, many broken bones in my lifetime, thats one pet peeve of mine: people who remove casts earlier than they should |
| 14:30.28 | Wobin | blackjack requires some skill |
| 14:30.30 | Wobin | not just luck |
| 14:30.38 | olafski | kraps: yeah but wtf.. how can someone even think it takes a couple of minutes to heal |
| 14:31.00 | olafski | wobin: alright, blackjack if you don't count cards :) |
| 14:31.04 | Kraps | must be a real-life noob |
| 14:31.16 | olafski | a friend of mine uses some bots to play casinos with blackjack |
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| 14:31.28 | olafski | don't think they count, they just have some lookup table |
| 14:31.39 | Wobin | well that's counting |
| 14:31.44 | olafski | oO |
| 14:31.46 | sylvanaar | the dealer is a bat |
| 14:31.49 | sylvanaar | bot |
| 14:31.50 | olafski | they only look up the current situation |
| 14:31.59 | olafski | i.e. "I have an ace and a 5, what do i do" |
| 14:32.01 | sylvanaar | even when played by a human |
| 14:33.02 | krka | even with a lookup table, the casino has an edge |
| 14:33.09 | olafski | yes |
| 14:33.13 | olafski | but not as big as 19% :) |
| 14:33.14 | krka | like 51% or 52% or something |
| 14:33.15 | Wobin | sure |
| 14:33.15 | sylvanaar | its called the 'basic strategy' i believe |
| 14:33.16 | Kaso | lua> local pot=0; for i=1,1000 do local roll=math.random(1,100); if roll < 65 then pot = pot + 1 elseif roll >=65 and roll <95 then pot = pot -2 elseif roll >=95 and roll <98 then pot = pot -3 else pot = pot -4 end end print(pot) |
| 14:33.17 | lua_bot | Kaso: -139 |
| 14:33.19 | Wobin | else they wouldn't offer the game =P |
| 14:33.25 | Kaso | thats my simulation of the bet ^ |
| 14:33.33 | Kaso | "pot" being the casino earnings |
| 14:33.35 | olafski | but this friend I mentioned "wins" because of the initial offer some online casinos give |
| 14:34.03 | sylvanaar | thats like $20 |
| 14:34.13 | olafski | "some" casinos.. :P |
| 14:34.25 | krka | i was once at a weird casino with some liberal rules, win on equal on 19, 20, 21 or something like that |
| 14:34.28 | olafski | some casinos quadruple your initial buyin when you make an account |
| 14:34.34 | krka | and dealer has to draw until 17 |
| 14:34.42 | olafski | but you have to play that amount a few times before you can withdraw it |
| 14:34.47 | krka | fairly small one |
| 14:34.54 | krka | i think the player actually had an edge there |
| 14:35.03 | olafski | so he buys in with $200, gets another $600 from the bank, plays 3000 $1 hands and withdraws say $600 |
| 14:35.04 | Kraps | brb updating ff |
| 14:35.48 | sylvanaar | yeah, but he has to keep switching casinos |
| 14:36.39 | sylvanaar | where'd sztanpet go - damn |
| 14:37.01 | olafski | sylvanaar: or identities |
| 14:37.40 | mitch0 | kaso: that's not a good simulation imo |
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| 14:41.56 | Kaso | where have i gone wrong mitch? |
| 14:43.48 | mitch0 | kaso: sorry, it might be good, you just confused me with your surplus checks :) |
| 14:44.04 | Kaso | lol |
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| 14:44.22 | Wobin | Casting for the Game of Thrones looks interesting |
| 14:44.31 | Wobin | http://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2009/10/casting-completed-for-game-of-thrones.html |
| 14:44.32 | Kaso | basically the idea is that if you roll below 65 the pot gains one "token" and if you roll any of the higher bets it looses an appropriate amount of tokens |
| 14:44.42 | Kaso | the pot always seems to come out negative |
| 14:44.59 | Kaso | but i am open to the idea i didnt properly simulate the casino |
| 14:45.08 | krka | lua> local pot = 0; for i = 1, 1000 do local roll = math.random(1, 100); if roll < 65 then pot = pot + 1 elseif roll < 95 then pot = pot - 2 elseif roll < 98 then pot = pot - 3 else pot = pot - 4 end end print(pot) |
| 14:45.09 | lua_bot | krka: -196 |
| 14:45.19 | krka | lua> local pot = 0; for i = 1, 100000 do local roll = math.random(1, 100); if roll < 65 then pot = pot + 1 elseif roll < 95 then pot = pot - 2 elseif roll < 98 then pot = pot - 3 else pot = pot - 4 end end print(pot) |
| 14:45.20 | lua_bot | krka: -16783 |
| 14:46.39 | mitch0 | ah, I at least know where I fsckd up _my_ simulation :) |
| 14:46.48 | krka | weird... |
| 14:47.03 | krka | do we know anything about the distribution used in wow? |
| 14:47.24 | Kaso | how do you mean |
| 14:47.27 | krka | seems like the casino-owner used numbers from standard deviation tables |
| 14:47.42 | Kaso | oh |
| 14:48.15 | krka | sort of atleast |
| 14:49.11 | krka | hmm the test is bugged i think |
| 14:49.16 | mitch0 | wtf, I did 2 slightly different simulations, plus kaso's and they all return different results :( |
| 14:49.27 | krka | lua> local pot = 0; for i = 1, 100000 do local roll = math.random(1, 100); if roll < 65 then pot = pot + 1 elseif roll < 95 then pot = pot - 1 elseif roll < 98 then pot = pot - 2 else pot = pot - 3 end end print(pot) |
| 14:49.27 | lua_bot | krka: 18735 |
| 14:49.34 | krka | the casino owner in fact wins |
| 14:50.08 | krka | lua> local pot = 0; for i = 1, 100000 do local roll = math.random(1, 100); if roll < 65 then pot = pot + 1 elseif roll < 95 then pot = pot - 1 elseif roll < 98 then pot = pot - 2 else pot = pot - 3 end end print(pot) |
| 14:50.08 | lua_bot | krka: 19221 |
| 14:50.10 | mitch0 | oh yeah, the pot grows by 1 at the beginning of each roll |
| 14:50.13 | krka | about 18-19% |
| 14:50.33 | Kaso | oh of course |
| 14:50.52 | Kaso | thanks for spotting my mistake krka that makes much more sense now |
| 14:51.06 | krka | spotting other people's mistakes is my greatest hobby |
| 14:51.18 | mitch0 | good, now my win calc returns the same as the pot calc :) |
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| 14:52.34 | Kaso | i knew that the system couldn't be working as i'd simulated it. if he was cheating then the GMs would have owned him by now, and if he was loosing then he wouldn't be running it. |
| 14:52.35 | mitch0 | although lua's random() seems to be pretty weak |
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| 14:52.56 | Kaso | well on luabot it is but thats cos it isnt being reseeded and each command is a new lua session |
| 14:53.35 | mitch0 | but with sufficiently high numBets I'm getting close to the 0.81 |
| 14:54.14 | Kaso | order and logic has returned to my world, i now understand whats going on in his thing. ;p |
| 14:54.20 | mitch0 | so my calc was indeed good (not counting the wrong interpretation of 98+ :) |
| 14:54.37 | krka | lua> local pot = 0; for i = 1, 1e10 do local roll = math.random(1, 100); if roll < 65 then pot = pot + 1 elseif roll < 95 then pot = pot - 1 elseif roll < 98 then pot = pot - 2 else pot = pot - 3 end end print(pot) |
| 14:54.42 | lua_bot | krka: Your code exceeded set CPU limits |
| 14:54.47 | krka | lua> local pot = 0; for i = 1, 1e8 do local roll = math.random(1, 100); if roll < 65 then pot = pot + 1 elseif roll < 95 then pot = pot - 1 elseif roll < 98 then pot = pot - 2 else pot = pot - 3 end end print(pot) |
| 14:54.52 | lua_bot | krka: Your code exceeded set CPU limits |
| 14:54.57 | krka | lua> local pot = 0; for i = 1, 1e7 do local roll = math.random(1, 100); if roll < 65 then pot = pot + 1 elseif roll < 95 then pot = pot - 1 elseif roll < 98 then pot = pot - 2 else pot = pot - 3 end end print(pot) |
| 14:55.00 | lua_bot | krka: 1898812 |
| 14:55.14 | olafski | can't you make it output a percentage instead, for easier checking ;) |
| 14:55.36 | mitch0 | lua> print(100*(1-(1898812 / 1e7))) |
| 14:55.36 | lua_bot | mitch0: 81.01188 |
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| 14:59.19 | Shirik | pop quiz |
| 14:59.56 | Shirik | nm, pop quiz revoked |
| 15:00.08 | mitch0 | boo |
| 15:00.18 | Lopeppeppy | ~seen lunessa |
| 15:00.20 | purl | lunessa <n=chatzill@WoWUIDev/Lunessa> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 13h 49m 55s ago, saying: 'Shirik: Baby murlocs become fully grown murlocs.'. |
| 15:01.37 | Lopeppeppy | misses Lunessa |
| 15:02.02 | zenzelezz | we're not good enough for peppy anymore? :( |
| 15:02.18 | Lopeppeppy | *hugs* |
| 15:02.22 | Lopeppeppy | You're not traveling. |
| 15:02.24 | zenzelezz | \o/ |
| 15:02.48 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 15:03.06 | Fisker | you fucked up my kiting |
| 15:03.09 | Shirik | I'm travelling.... |
| 15:03.14 | Shirik | I'm at Atlanta airport right now |
| 15:03.43 | Fisker | cool |
| 15:05.33 | robotusch | I'm flying just south of Moscow atm *shrug* |
| 15:07.18 | Shirik | ok well |
| 15:07.21 | Shirik | I have to save power |
| 15:07.22 | Shirik | bbl |
| 15:07.28 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, miss me :( |
| 15:07.29 | robotusch | bai |
| 15:07.49 | robotusch | Try not to get lost amongst all the Delta flights |
| 15:08.02 | robotusch | "Atlanta - it's more than a Delta hub!" |
| 15:08.14 | Lopeppeppy | cuddles Shirik in his nice clean suit. |
| 15:08.42 | Lopeppeppy | Why must everyone be all *travely* ! |
| 15:08.44 | Fisker | report unusual activity |
| 15:09.15 | robotusch | 'tis the season, that's why |
| 15:09.32 | Fisker | you wouldn't fly a plane into a building robotusch |
| 15:09.48 | robotusch | ofc not |
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| 15:10.54 | Lopeppeppy | But it's not the season. NoRemember is the season! ... wait, I guess this is NoRemember. |
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| 15:12.09 | Ackis | good morning everyone |
| 15:14.22 | olafski | hai |
| 15:14.30 | Lopeppeppy | Oh hai. |
| 15:14.34 | olafski | ackis: does borderlands support splitscreen? |
| 15:14.49 | Ackis | olafski: yes |
| 15:14.52 | Ackis | also live |
| 15:14.55 | Ackis | and xbox linkage |
| 15:15.03 | Ackis | imo the splitscreen sucks |
| 15:15.03 | olafski | hmm |
| 15:15.06 | olafski | I might have to get it after all then |
| 15:15.10 | Ackis | it's half/half instead of top/bottom |
| 15:15.13 | olafski | I like splitscreen shooters :P |
| 15:15.16 | olafski | hmm |
| 15:15.24 | olafski | well with most tvs sold nowadays being widescreen that might make sense |
| 15:15.32 | olafski | else you'd get a really flat view ;) |
| 15:15.43 | olafski | did you see resident evil 5's splitscreen? :) |
| 15:16.03 | olafski | or halo 3 for that matter.. if you splitscreen those with 2 players on a widescreen tv it just "not uses" part of the screen |
| 15:16.19 | Ackis | no i haven't tried those yet |
| 15:16.44 | olafski | http://scrawlfx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/re5-split-screen2.png |
| 15:17.48 | krka | might be a hardware issue... the graphics card can't drive two cameras with a large viewport? |
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| 15:18.17 | olafski | could be.. but I'm guessing they just want to keep the aspect ratio the same as with 1 player |
| 15:18.43 | olafski | was still fun to play either way ;) |
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| 15:43.29 | AbsolutRayne | @_@ |
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| 15:45.27 | Lopeppeppy | Are you still awake, AbsolutRayne? |
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| 16:00.44 | Lopeppeppy | Apparently not. :P |
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| 16:02.09 | AbsolutRayne | Somewhat |
| 16:02.11 | AbsolutRayne | Whats up? |
| 16:02.19 | Lopeppeppy | Just sayin' hi. |
| 16:02.22 | AbsolutRayne | Hiya :) |
| 16:02.25 | AbsolutRayne | How you been? |
| 16:02.26 | Lopeppeppy | Go to bed, silly monkey. |
| 16:02.50 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a sick Peppy, but doin' okay. Some of my pictures of cute children were used for the college display, I'm all happy joyful. |
| 16:02.53 | AbsolutRayne | I was in bed :P |
| 16:02.57 | AbsolutRayne | for 8 hours |
| 16:03.14 | AbsolutRayne | Thats cool :) |
| 16:03.44 | Lopeppeppy | Sleep is good for the soul, carry on then. |
| 16:08.36 | AbsolutRayne | Im just not 100% ready to function in society yet << |
| 16:11.08 | Lopeppeppy | More caffeine |
| 16:11.28 | AbsolutRayne | Cant drink coffee :( |
| 16:11.51 | Lopeppeppy | Coffee, or caffeine? |
| 16:12.17 | AbsolutRayne | I dont feel like pop at 9:11am <_< |
| 16:12.52 | DWSR | Drink neither. |
| 16:12.58 | DWSR | caffeine injections kthxbai. |
| 16:13.12 | DWSR | Also effective: pure adrenaline. |
| 16:13.14 | AbsolutRayne | DWSR: Right into the neck? |
| 16:13.20 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne: More or less. |
| 16:13.26 | AbsolutRayne | Thats hardcore. |
| 16:13.36 | Lopeppeppy | I am un-supposed to have caffeine, but since Shirik is afk I can admit I've been drinking it again lately to combat the exhaustion from being sick. |
| 16:14.05 | AbsolutRayne | btw, thanks for the recommendation on Sexycooldowns. Really like it |
| 16:14.07 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: IRC is always recorded. |
| 16:14.30 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne: Link? |
| 16:14.40 | Lopeppeppy | I know, but he's a busy boy this week, and hopefully I can claim medicinal purposes. |
| 16:14.47 | AbsolutRayne | I just need to finish the rest of this UI, and figure out what I want to do with it. Upload it as Iced Cherry or another project. |
| 16:15.00 | Lopeppeppy | Did you change colors? |
| 16:15.08 | Lopeppeppy | I still would lust forever for a green. :P |
| 16:15.09 | AbsolutRayne | About the same. Little darker |
| 16:15.27 | AbsolutRayne | mashed the Print Screen button |
| 16:15.37 | Lopeppeppy | I still recommend your packages on the forums, it's good stuff. |
| 16:16.20 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: :) |
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| 16:16.47 | AbsolutRayne | Hopefully Tinypic wont crush the resolution here. |
| 16:16.52 | AbsolutRayne | Since its a small filesize |
| 16:17.11 | AbsolutRayne | Of course it did. |
| 16:17.32 | AbsolutRayne | Screw it, HDImage, its only 450kbs |
| 16:18.35 | AbsolutRayne | http://hdimage.org/images/s015ig6obxaicxtuxtvp.jpg In b4 complaints of slow loading |
| 16:18.52 | AbsolutRayne | Its my first 12 button UI, and im not really sure if its something I plan on sticking with. |
| 16:20.37 | Lopeppeppy | *waits for it* |
| 16:20.54 | Trela_ | Hey, your screen shot is loading slowly. |
| 16:21.18 | Lopeppeppy | ~lart Trela_ |
| 16:21.18 | purl | eats Trela_ and falls over dead |
| 16:21.28 | Trela_ | Ha! |
| 16:21.35 | AbsolutRayne | I still have to set up MSBT, and edit the texts on Cowtip |
| 16:22.33 | AbsolutRayne | and figure out where to stick Recount...probably in the bottom right, and ill just hide Tooltips in Combat. |
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| 16:25.37 | AbsolutRayne | ZzZz |
| 16:25.39 | olafski | the picture timed out :P |
| 16:25.40 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 16:25.49 | Shirik | So this is somewhat scary what we can do in my liftime |
| 16:25.52 | Shirik | lifetime* |
| 16:25.56 | AbsolutRayne | Reload then <_< |
| 16:26.04 | Cide- | get a proper host |
| 16:26.07 | Shirik | 10 years ago the thought of wireless internet was mostly unbelievable |
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| 16:26.21 | Shirik | I am currently sitting somewhere around flight level 200, on IRC |
| 16:26.31 | Lunessa | It's just a step to the left |
| 16:26.55 | nevcairiel | i'm more curious what the next 50 years will get us :P |
| 16:26.55 | Lopeppeppy | No, a jump! |
| 16:27.02 | Lopeppeppy | And then a step to the right, dear. |
| 16:27.04 | AbsolutRayne | I could probably Photobucket it since its under a meg in size... |
| 16:27.08 | Lunessa | Yeah, yeah, yeah. |
| 16:27.10 | olafski | cide-: agreed ;p |
| 16:27.12 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Lunessa. |
| 16:27.18 | olafski | cide-: do you have anything to do with ct_mailmod? =) |
| 16:27.20 | Lunessa | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 16:27.28 | Lopeppeppy | What is flight level 200, Shirik? |
| 16:27.29 | Cide- | I wrote it obviously |
| 16:27.39 | Shirik | flight level 200 |
| 16:27.43 | olafski | cide-: well, you said the other day that you don't work on ct_ra |
| 16:27.49 | Shirik | is sorta like 20000 feet in the air |
| 16:27.51 | olafski | or some other ct thing =) |
| 16:27.51 | Shirik | not really, but sorta |
| 16:27.58 | cog|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.59 | AbsolutRayne | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/SinOfDreams/WoWScrnShot_110209_091449.jpg There we go! |
| 16:28.03 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you for interpreting the maths. :) |
| 16:28.04 | cog|work | maybe 15 years ago... |
| 16:28.07 | AbsolutRayne | fast free loading |
| 16:28.15 | Shirik | ok maybe I was off a little cog|work |
| 16:28.18 | cog|work | :P |
| 16:28.34 | olafski | cide-: quite often, ct_mailmod will go on a rampage and open all sorts of mails which I haven't checked the boxes on.. is this a known issue or am I doing something wrong? =) |
| 16:28.58 | Lunessa | Ur doin it rong |
| 16:29.33 | Lunessa | Just kidding. I just felt like saying something stupid. I'm channeling Ackis |
| 16:30.09 | Ackis | :( |
| 16:30.32 | Shirik | fact of the matter is |
| 16:30.37 | Shirik | I'm IRCing on a plane |
| 16:30.40 | Lunessa | Sorry man. Don't know what came over me. |
| 16:30.50 | Lunessa | Shirik: And that's awesome. |
| 16:34.19 | cog|work | we could really use google wave at work right about now... |
| 16:35.35 | Lunessa | Google Wave looks interesting. |
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| 16:36.11 | cog|work | some of its modes of communication are exactly what we've been wishing for as we experiment with various e-mail/IM/collaboration systems |
| 16:37.52 | Lopeppeppy | Google Wave has awesome potential for long distance RPG. Ahem. |
| 16:38.22 | Lunessa | Ahem. Someone even wrote an article about that very thing. |
| 16:38.29 | Lopeppeppy | Love it, just loved it. |
| 16:38.46 | Lopeppeppy | I do long distance RPG via InsaneJournal, I can see that if everyone Waved, it would be neat. |
| 16:39.58 | Ackis | waves |
| 16:40.34 | Lopeppeppy | I bet you do! |
| 16:41.23 | Ackis | right now my nose is leaking :( |
| 16:41.34 | Ackis | my garbage at work is half full with kleenex etc |
| 16:41.50 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, poor monster. *hug* |
| 16:42.36 | Ackis | it's allergy boogers apparently |
| 16:43.11 | Lopeppeppy | Take more allergy meds then? |
| 16:43.57 | Ackis | takes a while for it to stop =/ |
| 16:44.00 | Lopeppeppy | My doctor enthralled me by telling me that the real old-fashioned sudafed and Benadryl do not act the same way in your body, so you can take them both at the same time if your allergies are bad, as long as they don't make you sleepy. |
| 16:44.10 | Lopeppeppy | But only old-fashioned sudafed, not the fake newer stuff. |
| 16:44.20 | Fisker | if they make you sleepy you should sleep |
| 16:45.03 | Ackis | fake new stuff annoys me :( |
| 16:45.09 | Ackis | I don't know how to get the old stuff |
| 16:45.47 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 16:45.48 | Fisker | you suck |
| 16:46.00 | Lopeppeppy | Here in the states, most drug stores sell it behind the pharmacy counter, you have to go and ask them for it. Often they have little cards on display where they sell allergy meds, you snag the one you want and bring it to them. You sign your life away, and they give you meth ingred... i mean, allergy meds. |
| 16:46.02 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 16:46.19 | Ackis | ah |
| 16:46.51 | Lopeppeppy | You should inquire at your local drugstore to see if they do the same thingie. |
| 16:47.08 | Ackis | yah they have stuff behind the counter I know |
| 16:47.34 | AbsolutRayne | Gah, why is SBF giving me such crazy Errors >_< |
| 16:48.19 | AbsolutRayne | like to the point it locks up WoW :/ |
| 16:49.16 | cog|work | wonders if he should wait in line for Droid on friday morning |
| 16:49.21 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 16:49.26 | Fisker | i timed out your operation earlier today |
| 16:50.07 | Lunessa | AbsolutRayne: Either you haven't updated, or one of your filters causes an infinte loop. |
| 16:50.24 | cog|work | onoes |
| 16:50.43 | AbsolutRayne | ffffffffffffffffffffffffffff I didnt reload to save my Data Text either >_< |
| 16:50.56 | Lopeppeppy | ... AbsolutRayne, you are NOT a newb, wake up! |
| 16:51.12 | Lunessa | Once you have the loop, you can power your flux capacitor which makes time travel possible! |
| 16:51.17 | Fisker | i am the one |
| 16:51.21 | AbsolutRayne | Or my tooltips |
| 16:51.23 | AbsolutRayne | god damnittttt |
| 16:51.41 | Lunessa | Should I mention the font? :P |
| 16:51.49 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, you're a PITA. |
| 16:52.05 | cog|work | comforts Lunessa |
| 16:52.20 | AbsolutRayne | Sigh |
| 16:52.23 | AbsolutRayne | Im a mess today >_< |
| 16:52.44 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Yeah. All my feisty has been in check all week. |
| 16:52.55 | Lopeppeppy | Is true. |
| 16:53.10 | Lunessa | comforts AbsolutRayne "there, there. Curse.com or WoWInterface.com will make it all better." |
| 16:53.42 | AbsolutRayne | Lunessa: ;_; |
| 16:53.50 | Shirik | in Powerpoint 2007, how do I add a picture to every slide (on the background)? |
| 16:54.11 | Lopeppeppy | Add it on the master page... but I forget how to do that, and dont' have 2007, only 2003. |
| 16:55.04 | cog|work | Lunessa: don't remember if you were on, but miki and i just figured out last night that we could send our DKs flying manuals, after 3 levels of questing in northrend >< |
| 16:55.08 | Lunessa | Shirik: Are you using a template or custom? If custom, you can set the slide properties on the first slide from the context menu. |
| 16:55.59 | Lunessa | cog|work: Oh noes! (I sneaked in just long enough to do the holiday quest. Strangely poignant for me right now.) |
| 16:56.22 | Lopeppeppy | Awwww. |
| 16:56.33 | Shirik | template, Lunessa |
| 16:56.39 | Shirik | can I convert it to custom? |
| 16:56.50 | Lopeppeppy | Me zero, big bad world one. |
| 16:57.21 | Lunessa | Shirik: You can change the the background in the template - but I forget exactly how. I'm a Word guru, not PowerPoint. :( |
| 16:57.23 | AbsolutRayne | Look at my horse, my horse is amazin... |
| 16:57.51 | Lunessa | Day of the Dead Costume + Headless Horseman mount = pure win |
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| 16:59.00 | Shirik | I also have a custom one which already has background graphics |
| 16:59.03 | AbsolutRayne | Yeah this 1 AB thing its going to work for me >_< |
| 16:59.04 | Shirik | but I can't see how to access it |
| 16:59.20 | Shirik | "set the slide properties on the context menu" I don't see any "slide properties" |
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| 17:03.03 | Lunessa | Shirik: Bah. On the ribbion, check Insert. |
| 17:03.10 | Lunessa | There should be an option there. |
| 17:03.29 | Lunessa | Again, I'm not a PowerPoint guy. |
| 17:07.34 | Shirik | hm I don't see it. Don't worry about it it's not that big of a deal |
| 17:07.37 | Shirik | thanks anyway :) |
| 17:09.53 | Lunessa | Sorry I couldn't solve it for you. |
| 17:10.07 | Lunessa | I don't even have it installed here on this borrowed laptop. |
| 17:10.54 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11155643485&sid=1#2 <-I'm behind 7 proxies |
| 17:11.43 | smcn | hm all the event pages on wowprogramming.com say "This function no longer exists in the current version of World of Warcraft" |
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| 17:20.58 | Shirik | it's ok Lunessa |
| 17:21.06 | Shirik | I deserve it for last minute stuff lol |
| 17:21.20 | Lunessa | :P |
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| 17:21.59 | amro | any msvc users who can tell me why it's ignoring my output directory setting and dumping the exe in Debug? I double checked the active configuration |
| 17:22.09 | AbsolutRayne | Yeah I ended up adding in a second AB<_< |
| 17:23.43 | Shirik | amro: You probably did it wrong :) |
| 17:23.58 | Shirik | what setting did you change? |
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| 17:24.29 | Shirik | You should be in Linker->General |
| 17:24.37 | Shirik | and look for "Output file" |
| 17:24.41 | Shirik | (This assumes C++, adapt to whatever language you're using) |
| 17:24.57 | Shirik | "Output directory" generally refers to the compiler's placement of the object files, not the final executable |
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| 17:25.22 | Shirik | The alternative option is to adjust the internal variable $(OutDir) |
| 17:25.23 | Shirik | I gotta go |
| 17:25.24 | Shirik | glhf |
| 17:25.37 | amro | Shirik: that was it, thanks |
| 17:29.27 | alestane | http://www.threepanelsoul.com/view.php?date=2009-10-30 win. |
| 17:34.32 | zenzelezz | http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2009/11/02/9915989.aspx |
| 17:39.23 | Fisker | slaps zenzelezz around a bit with a large trout |
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| 17:53.10 | Ackis | No wonder the Russians drink so much. Siberia is evidence that God should have worked on the seventh day, because this job ain't finished. |
| 17:53.11 | Ackis | lol |
| 17:54.50 | AbsolutRayne | BG9 is the most annoying BG ever >_< |
| 17:55.16 | ccox | BattleGround, BattleGroup, BattlestarGalactice? |
| 17:55.38 | ccox | BlueGreen? |
| 17:55.40 | AbsolutRayne | Battlegroup. |
| 17:55.47 | Zyn | Bakery Gouda 9 |
| 17:55.53 | AbsolutRayne | And I wish I could Shave. :( |
| 17:56.34 | nevcairiel | why cant you? |
| 17:56.39 | Trela_ | P.S. WTF is Strand of the Ancients? I went in there only to corpse camped in a graveyard or on a boat. (I'm on a boat!) |
| 17:57.03 | nevcairiel | you got in an open game already, eh |
| 17:57.54 | Grum | that just means your group fails :P |
| 17:57.56 | ccox | Trela - read up on it, it's not that difficult to win |
| 17:58.01 | AbsolutRayne | nevcairiel: Our water pump is broken, so we currently have no running water in the house |
| 17:58.09 | ccox | Trela - but it takes minimal organization |
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| 17:58.45 | AbsolutRayne | AFK, taking teh waifu to work. |
| 17:58.45 | Grum | Anyone playing horde and experiencing the horde getting tainted with cross-factioneer-alliance noobies? :D |
| 17:58.48 | Trela_ | I believe the problem was that I entered a group of five people versus ten million. |
| 17:59.01 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 17:59.16 | ccox | that could be a problem |
| 17:59.49 | ccox | Grum - and turncoats calling things out to the other team, yes |
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| 18:01.05 | Grum | turncoats? |
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| 18:03.25 | ccox | someone who converted an alt, so they could spy on horde activities and yell them to their ally friends in vent. |
| 18:03.47 | Thunder_Child | yes because winning BG's is that important |
| 18:04.02 | ccox | they usually go AFK or do something retarded in the BG, but they have been appearing more frequently lately. |
| 18:04.09 | ccox | Even some of the ally despise them. |
| 18:04.47 | ccox | Thunder_Child: yeah, it's childish. But we're talking about kids who think they can't win a BG without twinks and cheats. |
| 18:05.17 | ccox | (the concept of knowing the BG and working as a team still seems to escape them) |
| 18:05.43 | Thunder_Child | *shrug* i have a BG group that i run with that never loses a BG. cant wait till rated BG's come along |
| 18:07.15 | Thunder_Child | though i will be interested to see how they manage to do that |
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| 18:23.32 | Legorol | My ISP sucks. Due to equipment fault, there was no Internet in half the city since about 8:00am. But that's not why they suck. |
| 18:23.54 | Legorol | They flagged the issue as resolved at 13:00. Internet didn't actually come back until 17:00. Overly optimistic? |
| 18:28.25 | Aelo | would doing a pairs() on every OnChar hook of ChatFrameEditBox be frowned upon? :P |
| 18:29.13 | alestane | Depends on the typical size of the array, I think. |
| 18:29.30 | Aelo | varying between 10 fields to anything up to 50 |
| 18:29.38 | Aelo | so im guessing the answer would be yes :p |
| 18:29.42 | alestane | Or whatever your typical table structure is. |
| 18:29.55 | Arrowmaster | why would you need to do a pairs() |
| 18:30.11 | Aelo | to scan for custom % replacements |
| 18:30.17 | Aelo | which are stored in a table :) |
| 18:30.30 | Arrowmaster | thats not when you should be doing that |
| 18:30.35 | Aelo | i know |
| 18:30.42 | alestane | I'm figuring you'd want to use them as keys, not values. |
| 18:30.54 | Aelo | yeh |
| 18:31.24 | Aelo | so i was gonna do a pairs() then gsub("%%"..k,v) |
| 18:31.36 | Aelo | i guess i should really hook SendChatMessage instead? :P |
| 18:31.45 | Aelo | although then it wouldn't be "live" whilst typing it |
| 18:31.48 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 18:31.50 | Cide- | who cares |
| 18:32.05 | Cide- | an iteration over 50 elements every time you type a character is nothing |
| 18:32.18 | Cide- | stop being so stressed out about performance |
| 18:32.19 | alestane | Live response is better, I think, but look into how else you can use gsub. |
| 18:32.38 | Aelo | ooooh yeh |
| 18:32.40 | Aelo | ty alestane |
| 18:32.40 | alestane | You're unlikely to have a major impact on performance if you're only likely to be doing it as fast as they can type. |
| 18:32.55 | Aelo | set the replacement as a function (or even table) instead! :) |
| 18:33.33 | Aelo | completely forgot about that functionality hehe |
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| 18:34.15 | alestane | is smart like that. |
| 18:34.53 | Aelo | =) |
| 18:35.02 | Arrowmaster | you probably want to use OnTextChanged i guess rather than OnChar, i was thinking there was something better to hook but i cant find it |
| 18:35.32 | Aelo | hmm can i ask what the difference is? :P |
| 18:37.31 | Arrowmaster | im not sure how the edit box handles multibyte input but i was thinking onchar might be more of an onbyte but now that i think about it thats probably wrong |
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| 18:40.31 | Aelo | hmmm |
| 18:40.53 | Aelo | Arrowmaster: if i hooked OnTextChanged, wouldnt that mean that if the gsub found a replacement, it would loop through and do it again? |
| 18:40.56 | Aelo | the hook i mean |
| 18:41.28 | alestane | If the gsub changed the text, I think it might. |
| 18:41.46 | Aelo | that wouldn't cause the OnChar to fire though would it? |
| 18:42.10 | Arrowmaster | no one of the function args is if its a userinput or done pragmatically |
| 18:43.30 | Arrowmaster | i was just checking other addons and i know chatter used OnTextChanged for its "/tt " command |
| 18:44.02 | Arrowmaster | and prat-3.0 does its % replacements later in like a SendChatMessage hook or something |
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| 18:44.09 | Aelo | hmm ok |
| 18:44.16 | Aelo | so you'd stick with OnTextChanged? |
| 18:44.28 | Arrowmaster | not sure really |
| 18:44.34 | Arrowmaster | i guess OnChar is ok |
| 18:44.36 | Yssaril | does OnShow get called if a frames becomes visible because its parent is shown? |
| 18:44.49 | alestane | I believe so. |
| 18:44.57 | Grum | i'd do it in sendmessage, makes no sense doing it as you type tbh, but it depends on what kind of data you want to replace the '%xxx' with |
| 18:45.29 | Aelo | Grum: a link, so it's kinda important to do it "live" |
| 18:45.36 | Aelo | due to the character limit in messages |
| 18:45.37 | Arrowmaster | yeah you could replace stuff you dont want to replace doing it live like that |
| 18:45.43 | Grum | yeah indeed |
| 18:46.04 | Grum | would it be %jewelcrafting orso? |
| 18:46.06 | Arrowmaster | and if you do it live it will never work in macros |
| 18:46.19 | Aelo | that's another point :P |
| 18:46.25 | Aelo | could do it in both! :P |
| 18:46.31 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 18:46.38 | Aelo | *bans himself from appending :P to every message* |
| 18:46.46 | Grum | :P |
| 18:46.52 | Aelo | dont tempt me :'( |
| 18:47.15 | Grum | :b :d |
| 18:47.21 | Aelo | now thats just cruel |
| 18:47.30 | Aelo | Arrowmaster: why not hooking both? |
| 18:47.41 | Grum | zomgding20 |
| 18:47.51 | Aelo | SendChatMessage and OnChar/OnTextChanged |
| 18:47.53 | Grum | you dont have to hook the chatmessage |
| 18:47.58 | Grum | you can just add a chatfilter |
| 18:48.18 | Aelo | i thought chat filters were only for incoming chat? |
| 18:48.21 | Grum | or mmmm nah that wont catch an outgoing message |
| 18:48.24 | Grum | yeah asleep :P |
| 18:48.30 | Aelo | : P |
| 18:48.39 | Grum | THERE IT IS AGAIN! /bite |
| 18:48.45 | Grum | :F |
| 18:48.48 | AbsolutRayne | Whats a good DoT Timer outside of Classtimer |
| 18:49.03 | Grum | Classtimer! some people would say DoTimer |
| 18:49.12 | Grum | but their config is /wrist |
| 18:49.51 | AbsolutRayne | Hrm |
| 18:50.00 | Grum | what do you want more than Classtimer offers? |
| 18:50.01 | Aelo | what would happen if it hooked during SendChatMessage, and after replacement the message length was greater than the limit? |
| 18:50.32 | Grum | your firstborn gets sacrificed! .. mm i think it gets cut off or completely ignored |
| 18:50.46 | AbsolutRayne | Theres a few little Nitpicks I have with ClassTimer |
| 18:50.55 | AbsolutRayne | Specifically not being able to add a border to Bars |
| 18:51.09 | Grum | you can hack that in if you are not too shy from lua ) |
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| 18:51.26 | AbsolutRayne | My knowledge of it is too low to even attempt it. |
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| 18:55.52 | Lunessa | later all. Errands call. |
| 19:01.53 | Thunder_Child | AbsolutRayne, a time for your dot remaning time on the target? |
| 19:01.56 | Thunder_Child | timer* |
| 19:04.03 | AbsolutRayne | Thunder_Child: Course |
| 19:05.32 | Thunder_Child | AbsolutRayne, NECB has some of that functionality |
| 19:05.50 | Thunder_Child | or i should say, has that and more |
| 19:13.15 | mikma | scytheblade1: http://mikma.eu/l4d/Smack_my_Witch_up.zip |
| 19:13.40 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:14.01 | mitchnull | you could update your /bored script from time to time |
| 19:14.36 | Fisker | ;3? |
| 19:16.57 | Fisker | my feet are cold |
| 19:23.33 | NightHawkTheSane | http://getonmyhorse.com/ |
| 19:25.29 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/physics_class.jpg |
| 19:25.32 | Trela_ | o.o |
| 19:26.33 | mikma | cairenn: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/sadasda.jpg |
| 19:29.23 | Fisker | you wouldn't steal a car |
| 19:29.30 | Thunder_Child | eats Fisker's other other other other other other trout |
| 19:30.48 | Fisker | awesome NightHawkTheSane |
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| 19:38.32 | Fisker | damn you NightHawkTheSane |
| 19:38.36 | Fisker | i can't close it |
| 19:38.40 | NightHawkTheSane | haha |
| 19:38.52 | Thunder_Child | it is addictive :( |
| 19:38.58 | Cide- | and old! |
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| 19:39.05 | Cide- | it should be "lookatmyhorse" also |
| 19:39.20 | NightHawkTheSane | both urls work. :P |
| 19:39.31 | Cide- | ah |
| 19:39.36 | NightHawkTheSane | i think, at least |
| 19:39.43 | NightHawkTheSane | forgets |
| 19:40.08 | durcyn | one appears to be parked. |
| 19:40.28 | NightHawkTheSane | i thought there was another url that worked. *shrug* |
| 19:42.07 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5395225/torrent-20-self-throttles-so-isps-dont-have-towhat |
| 19:43.19 | durcyn | "hi, i'm a bittorrent client that doesn't comprehend --max_upload_rate or --max_uploads" |
| 19:43.25 | durcyn | screw uTorrent anyway. |
| 19:43.44 | Fisker | slaps durcyn around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:43.51 | durcyn | and fisker. screw fisker. |
| 19:44.13 | Fisker | look at my horse, my horse is amazing |
| 19:44.41 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5395095/the-nsa-to-store-a-yottabyte-of-your-phone-calls-emails-and-other-big-brothery-stuff |
| 19:44.57 | Thunder_Child | that might just hold all the porn there is....but i doubt it |
| 19:45.07 | Trela_ | Yay for Thunder linking Fark. :P |
| 19:45.25 | Thunder_Child | huh? |
| 19:46.37 | Arrowmaster | durcyn: it doesnt have settings for those? |
| 19:46.47 | durcyn | Arrowmaster: no idea, but they act like it's something new |
| 19:48.10 | Cide- | it does |
| 19:48.13 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, but this new change is supposed to be realtime settings of those, no? |
| 19:48.14 | Cide- | and it is new |
| 19:48.27 | Cide- | durcyn is just another hater |
| 19:48.35 | Arrowmaster | they are acting like it will detect network congestion and self throttle, but we all know the isps will just make it think the network is congested and it will self throttle itself when it doesnt need to |
| 19:49.09 | Arrowmaster | i wont touch uTorrent for other reasons though |
| 19:49.12 | durcyn | throttling already exists. it's called TCP. |
| 19:49.22 | Arrowmaster | yeah they are switching to UDP |
| 19:49.32 | durcyn | well, fuck them then. |
| 19:49.59 | durcyn | what, is watching people misuse protocols supposed to bring a smile to my face? :( |
| 19:51.00 | Cide- | since several isp's throttle that stuff a tool to dynamically alleviate network load is hardly a bad thing |
| 19:51.04 | Cide- | the key being dynamically |
| 19:51.15 | Fisker | oooh |
| 19:51.23 | Fisker | this flash still suffers from sync issues |
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| 20:11.16 | cog|work | lol... noon california time and mafia wars has become unbearably slow :> |
| 20:11.47 | zenzelezz | Arnold is running simulations of his stimulus bill |
| 20:16.45 | cog|work | I can see him now holding a minigun saying "Stimulate this" |
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| 20:31.38 | Fisker | slaps cog|work around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:31.59 | mitchnull | actually, they should switch to sctp |
| 20:32.07 | mitchnull | (random thought of the day) |
| 20:33.02 | mitchnull | fisker: speaking of flash, I had to disable flash completely on wowinterface, some new stuff there completely killed my browser :( |
| 20:33.15 | Fisker | :/ |
| 20:33.17 | Fisker | i want Flash 10.1 |
| 20:33.24 | Fisker | it's going to be awesome |
| 20:33.43 | mitchnull | <Fisker/> |
| 20:34.02 | Fisker | ;( |
| 20:34.14 | Fisker | though it should be <Fisker /> |
| 20:34.22 | mitchnull | substitute any of your favourites. (suggestion: something starting with "your mom" |
| 20:34.35 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 20:36.14 | Fisker | /o\ |
| 20:37.39 | mitchnull | that reminds me, for a period of time I thought "lol" is some ascii-art-thing depicting someone with hands in the air beside his face |
| 20:38.33 | alestane | So, hunter friend has a "x50%" listed next to his ranged weapon on his paper-doll screen. How do we find out what's causing it? |
| 20:38.54 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: aspect of the viper |
| 20:39.15 | alestane | That would make sense. |
| 20:39.55 | alestane | Yep, that was it. |
| 20:40.05 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: most non-permanent affects that give a percentage bonus-penalty show up that way, Def stance, aotv, etc |
| 20:40.37 | NightHawkTheSane | effects* |
| 20:41.31 | alestane | Be nice if it listed what it was for. |
| 20:42.16 | Fisker | l2p issue |
| 20:42.16 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. although most characters only have a one or two such abilities, which usually also list it in the tooltip. |
| 20:42.56 | alestane | Guy in question just came back after a two-year hiatus. |
| 20:43.20 | alestane | And I don't play my hunters enough to go "*snap* of course, you dumbass, you must have AotV on!" |
| 20:44.29 | Thunder_Child | pally auras do it as well |
| 20:44.33 | Thunder_Child | if you are ret anyway |
| 20:44.49 | NightHawkTheSane | and have the 3% damage talent :P |
| 20:45.30 | Thunder_Child | being ret assumes that, even with the stupidity that abounds on wow servers |
| 20:45.35 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, i think any general percentage damage modifier spell/ability/talent will do that. I just noticed my 1-h spec talent shows up on my warrior |
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| 20:47.33 | cog|work | wait... you can't use the upgrade version to go from XP to 7?? |
| 20:47.59 | alestane | I've heard that there have been bug issues with the upgrade version. |
| 20:48.07 | durcyn | cog|work: no, vista only |
| 20:48.19 | alestane | Or it wants to do a clean install rather than a true upgrade. |
| 20:48.25 | cog|work | alestane: license not installation |
| 20:48.54 | Thunder_Child | xp -> vista -> 7 |
| 20:48.54 | alestane | Ah, so you're saying you can't upgrade your license for XP into a license for 7. |
| 20:48.58 | Thunder_Child | even for license |
| 20:49.08 | durcyn | cog|work: there is a nifty bug with the upgrade validation, though, where you can start an upgrade install, watch it fail when it doesn't find an existing install, then upgrade the failed install |
| 20:49.48 | durcyn | license legality notwithstanding, of course |
| 20:49.57 | cog|work | well if you're going to do that, you might as well get an OEM copy ;) |
| 20:54.35 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.flickr.com/photos/senexprime/4055072020/ |
| 20:57.40 | Dagmar | That's weird |
| 20:57.50 | Dagmar | Maybe the edu version is different |
| 20:57.55 | cbreak | snow leopard. |
| 20:58.31 | Dagmar | I got the edu version of W7 Ultimate (upgrade) and it didn't ever ask me about even showing it old media |
| 20:58.46 | durcyn | the digital river upgrade was something else entirely |
| 20:58.52 | Dagmar | Clearly |
| 20:59.26 | Dagmar | Although it might have actually paid attention when I first booted the DVD... It would have seen Windows Xp then, but I also told it to just nuke that partition and then use it |
| 20:59.58 | durcyn | the original release wasn't a dvd, it was an in-place installer |
| 21:00.03 | durcyn | which caused its own problems |
| 21:00.06 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 21:00.23 | durcyn | especially with people trying to upgrade xp 32 to 7 x64 |
| 21:00.28 | cog|work | waves |
| 21:01.03 | Dagmar | I think that's probably got to do with W7 doesn't seem to notice that Xp's NTFS is the "old" NTFS |
| 21:02.03 | durcyn | does w7 even have a new version of ntfs? i thought all they added since 3.1 was the bitlocker garbage |
| 21:02.34 | durcyn | oh, right, the vista transactional stuff |
| 21:02.51 | Dagmar | That's what I've been told, and it would make sense in light of how poorly W7 handled Xp's disk (and vice versa) before I got the retail DVD |
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| 21:03.07 | Dagmar | W7 completely mangled my ACLs under XP twice |
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| 21:03.52 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: odd... my invite came but you're not in my contacts list |
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| 21:10.52 | Ackis | durcyn: I remember an older version of windows letting you use the install disc as validation for upgrade |
| 21:11.35 | Dagmar | Ackis: That's what XP and 98 both did |
| 21:12.08 | Dagmar | Regardless of what the upgrade editions of XP said on the box, it would consider even a Wfwg 3.11 install floppy as valid proof |
| 21:16.20 | Ackis | I think Me did as well |
| 21:17.10 | Ackis | for a period of time, my Windows license relied on me keeping my Windows 3.11 license since everything I had after was an upgrade... then I pirated Windows XP |
| 21:18.07 | Lopeppeppy | tsk tsk |
| 21:18.16 | Torhal | Ackis: You ninja'd it. |
| 21:18.40 | Ackis | I redeemed myself with buying Vista ok Lopeppeppy? besides MS owed me one for Windows ME :P |
| 21:18.53 | Ackis | I also pirated MS-DOS 3.1 :( |
| 21:19.02 | Dagmar | I side with Ackis on the ME thing |
| 21:19.41 | Thunder_Child | Ackis, does that mean MS owe's me one for buying vista? |
| 21:20.07 | Dagmar | Depending on when you bought Vista they might agree |
| 21:20.21 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: there was nothing wrong with Vista :P |
| 21:20.22 | Dagmar | Tehre's like $35 upgrade packages for Vista to W7 depending on how recenlty you bought it |
| 21:20.55 | durcyn | Ackis: that was xp, yeah |
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| 21:35.59 | Ackis | http://static.curseforge.net/thumbman/images/17/786/100x100/peticon-black.png.-m1.png |
| 21:37.22 | Pneumatus | keylogger |
| 21:38.02 | Kraps | this mucinex pill is HUGE |
| 21:38.33 | Ackis | Pneumatus: no u! |
| 21:38.42 | Ackis | it's the new collectinator pet icon :D |
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| 21:39.25 | Ackis | too bad Torhal is afk touching himself |
| 21:39.39 | zenzelezz | wait, people go AFK to do that? |
| 21:40.04 | Ackis | zenzelezz: keeps the keyboard clean :P |
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| 21:40.46 | zenzelezz | only a fool would soil it, I mastered this years ago |
| 21:41.02 | Ackis | not the only thing you mastered :P |
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| 21:43.24 | Torhal | Ackis: Noob. Where's the mount icon? |
| 21:45.10 | Ackis | Torhal: under development |
| 21:45.17 | Ackis | I mailed you the 1 meg .tga |
| 21:48.19 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/230821013 |
| 21:53.58 | Ackis | Torhal |
| 22:05.40 | Thunder_Child | sweet, the new legendary weapon is going to be from 5-man dungeons more or less |
| 22:06.32 | NeoTron | except it's not going to be legendary |
| 22:06.58 | Thunder_Child | quel'delar isnt? |
| 22:06.59 | NeoTron | it's going to be an epic weapon, perhaps around ilevel 245? |
| 22:07.13 | NeoTron | Sure |
| 22:07.14 | NeoTron | epic. :P |
| 22:07.26 | Thunder_Child | bah! |
| 22:07.44 | NeoTron | they won't do legendary items from 10 mans |
| 22:07.53 | NeoTron | so they definitely won't do it from a 5 man |
| 22:08.02 | Adys | er |
| 22:08.13 | Adys | quel delar isnt the legendary |
| 22:08.21 | Adys | its shadowmourne |
| 22:09.48 | NeoTron | But Thunder_Child expected Quel'delar to be legendary |
| 22:09.53 | mikma | vilkkuu: http://fantasia.kuvaton.com/index2.php?numero=510 |
| 22:10.14 | Thunder_Child | they made it sound like it |
| 22:10.17 | Thunder_Child | *shrug* |
| 22:10.29 | Vilkkuu | mitä vittua mikma :D |
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| 22:11.14 | Ginji | Lame! They fixed the xorg input! |
| 22:11.18 | Ginji | Now I can't chain jump |
| 22:12.30 | mikma | vilkkuu: just parasta imho =D |
| 22:12.47 | Vilkkuu | pitäis mennä sinne kattoo |
| 22:12.53 | Vilkkuu | hemulipuku päällä |
| 22:12.56 | Vilkkuu | asun lähel |
| 22:13.32 | mikma | muista ottaa viime keskiviikon aku ankka mukaan |
| 22:13.54 | Vilkkuu | toivottavasti se antaa sen takasin sit |
| 22:14.28 | WobWork | legendary from ... a five man? |
| 22:14.41 | WobWork | legend in your own lunchbox I guess |
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| 22:20.46 | Torhal | Ackis: 1 meg? Foof! |
| 22:21.10 | Ackis | Torhal: yup 1 meg! foof! |
| 22:22.39 | cog|work | ~lart facebook |
| 22:22.39 | purl | whips facebook with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 22:25.54 | mikma | so, can you use two devices with 1 bluetooth at once, meaning: device 1 playes music in bt headset, and device 2 rings and overwrites the music |
| 22:26.45 | Ackis | s/whatevermikmasaid/twogirlsonecup/ |
| 22:27.17 | mikma | 2 guys 1 horse |
| 22:29.23 | ckknight | look at my horse |
| 22:29.25 | ckknight | my horse is amazing |
| 22:29.28 | ckknight | give it a lick |
| 22:30.02 | alestane | Wow, I am so done with that line of inquiry. |
| 22:30.48 | ckknight | http://shutupwomangetonmyhorse.com/ |
| 22:31.17 | mitchnull | torhal: should the "apply this setting" toggle be remembered across sessions, or should apply reset all? |
| 22:31.32 | mitchnull | sorta wrong window, but meh |
| 22:33.32 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: due to the naming of that file, no way I'm touching it =] |
| 22:36.31 | mikma | scytheblade1: stay out of it if youhate prodigy!!! |
| 22:36.49 | mikma | scytheblade1: its just one awesome witch music mod i made =D |
| 22:37.13 | Shirik | tackles ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:37.22 | ScytheBlade1 | stabinates Shiibot |
| 22:37.25 | Shirik | owned |
| 22:37.25 | ScytheBlade1 | stabinates Shirik |
| 22:37.27 | ScytheBlade1 | The both of you |
| 22:37.28 | Shirik | failure |
| 22:37.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Stabinated |
| 22:37.32 | Shirik | epic failure |
| 22:37.32 | Shirik | negative |
| 22:37.33 | Shirik | you fail |
| 22:38.09 | mikma | scytheblade1: atleast download ans listen to the clips through =D |
| 22:39.06 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:39.13 | Shirik | you missed my epic shoutout from FL200 |
| 22:42.07 | Aelo | the there a performance difference between lua and xml? :P |
| 22:42.12 | Shirik | Yes |
| 22:42.20 | Shirik | Your coding speed is dramatically reduced when using XML |
| 22:42.24 | Shirik | Because XML is yucky |
| 22:42.28 | Aelo | lol |
| 22:42.31 | cog|work | stabinates Shirik too |
| 22:42.47 | Shirik | Seriously, XML is probably slower, but probably not enough to warrant it making a decision |
| 22:42.50 | Aelo | does xml need to "run functions" like lua does to set properties? |
| 22:42.58 | Shirik | yesa |
| 22:43.07 | Aelo | ah okies |
| 22:43.15 | Shirik | but you shouldn't be concerned with this |
| 22:43.20 | Aelo | =) |
| 22:43.25 | Aelo | just intrigued at the same time |
| 22:44.09 | Shirik | seriously Adys, go to sleep or something |
| 22:44.11 | Shirik | you need to chillax |
| 22:44.15 | Aelo | also, with dropdowns (using the UI template), do you need to initialise them every show or something? i keep getting menu items from other dropdown menus |
| 22:44.37 | Aelo | well not menu items, but the "selected" text part is showing random stuff |
| 22:44.54 | Shirik | you should be using the UI functions |
| 22:45.09 | Aelo | im using the example on wowprogramming :P |
| 22:45.30 | Shirik | "I checked our logs and the IP you submitted "67.18.208.154" is indeed blocked by our network. Looking further into this, that IP belongs to "The Planet" out of Houston and this address falls into a range of IP's that we blocked for malicious conduct." |
| 22:45.40 | Shirik | what BS |
| 22:45.49 | Aelo | yet when it shows my dropdowns after using a different one (eg. right clicking on the player frame) it shows the top option from that menu |
| 22:50.00 | Adys | Shirik: wa |
| 22:50.06 | Shirik | you |
| 22:50.10 | Shirik | get off wave and go to sleep |
| 22:50.19 | Adys | I woke up a hour ago |
| 22:50.26 | Adys | you know i dont close my browser no more than i close irc |
| 22:50.35 | Shirik | lucky |
| 22:50.41 | Shirik | I got one hour of sleep last night |
| 22:51.52 | Thunder_Child | the only reason you should close anything is if you turn off your computer, other than that it doesnt make much of a diff |
| 22:52.16 | Shirik | I turn off my computer every night |
| 22:52.22 | Thunder_Child | stilly you |
| 22:52.22 | Shirik | znc ftmfw |
| 22:52.25 | Thunder_Child | silly* |
| 22:53.24 | Adys | znc is good |
| 22:53.27 | Adys | but cba to set it up again |
| 22:53.28 | ScytheBlade1 | so I saw that chrome is available in 64-bit... only for linux |
| 22:53.34 | Adys | ScytheBlade1: owned |
| 22:53.34 | ScytheBlade1 | So I figured I was obligated and built it |
| 22:53.53 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: And your computadora blew up? |
| 22:54.16 | ScytheBlade1 | well, it needs ~10GB of disk space to build |
| 22:54.19 | ScytheBlade1 | So kinda sure |
| 22:55.14 | durcyn | webkit is a damn beast to compile |
| 22:55.52 | haste | 10G oO? |
| 22:55.57 | haste | that's like... more than OOo |
| 22:56.03 | Ackis | http://mibbit.com/pb/uU7bs2 <-- wow keeps crashing with that error when I zone out somewhere, memtest seemed to work w/o providing errors, I have lots of HD space of E:, any other ideas? |
| 22:56.11 | ScytheBlade1 | sec and I'll get an exact figure |
| 22:56.32 | Thunder_Child | Ackis, have you resterted? |
| 22:56.40 | Thunder_Child | restarted* |
| 22:56.46 | haste | ScytheBlade1: it's 10G for the checkout and build |
| 22:56.53 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: I reboot every night, I don't leave my PC on overnight anymore |
| 22:56.56 | haste | the webkit SVN tree is like 2G alone :P |
| 22:57.05 | Thunder_Child | Ackis, i mean since the error? |
| 22:57.11 | ScytheBlade1 | looks like the build cleaned itself up |
| 22:57.17 | ScytheBlade1 | My chrome source (and bin) dir is sitting at 3.3GB |
| 22:57.21 | Thunder_Child | Ackis, thats always fixed the problem the few times i have had that error |
| 22:57.33 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: it's happened multiple times on different days |
| 22:57.44 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: always when I'm crossing a zone boundry to/from dalaran |
| 23:02.38 | Thunder_Child | oh lol "So, this guy sends his laptop to Dell for repair and Dell sends him back a hard drive...just a hard drive in a box." |
| 23:06.16 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: watching you try is amusing :) |
| 23:06.21 | cog|work | >< |
| 23:06.25 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 23:06.29 | cog|work | you should see what my irc line looks like half the time :P |
| 23:06.40 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:07.10 | AbsolutRayne | Ah man, my mother in laws horse just scared the hell out of me. |
| 23:07.33 | Ackis | things you didn't think you'd read today |
| 23:07.52 | Thunder_Child | dont be scared of a horse AbsolutRayne |
| 23:08.07 | AbsolutRayne | Thunder_Child: Scared of what it was doing |
| 23:08.10 | AbsolutRayne | Rather, what it wasnt |
| 23:08.15 | ScytheBlade1 | http://whedonesque.com/comments/22240 |
| 23:08.39 | Thunder_Child | AbsolutRayne, http://getonmyhorse.com/ will make you feel better |
| 23:09.04 | AbsolutRayne | Thunder_Child: Have that bookmarked already |
| 23:10.16 | Ackis | ~dict renal |
| 23:11.46 | cog|work | anyone with wave: https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252BF03c_ySUa (public wave for UI peeps to chime in) |
| 23:12.25 | cog|work | (seems to only work if you're already signed in) |
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| 23:12.38 | Thunder_Child | :( |
| 23:12.49 | NightHawkTheSane | wtb wave invite :( |
| 23:12.50 | alestane | Adrenal: Relating to the things on top of the kidneys. |
| 23:13.04 | cog|work | wishes he had some :( |
| 23:13.07 | alestane | Adrenaline: Stuff made in those things on top of the kidneys. |
| 23:14.20 | Dewin | Heh, I know someone who was looking for a google voice invite the other day...I wonder if I could trade voice invites for wave invites |
| 23:15.39 | AbsolutRayne | Sweet lemonaide, mmmm sweet lemonaide... |
| 23:16.36 | Thunder_Child | oh, i do have voice invites, go figure |
| 23:18.08 | WobWork | damn you google voice for being US only |
| 23:18.15 | WobWork | although, I'm not sure I'd use it |
| 23:18.15 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: u give voice invite? |
| 23:18.20 | WobWork | much like Wave =P |
| 23:18.27 | Thunder_Child | sure Ackis |
| 23:18.46 | Dewin | WobWork: I signed up for it back when it was GrandCentral |
| 23:18.50 | Dewin | Never realy used it though. |
| 23:18.55 | Thunder_Child | Dewin, same |
| 23:19.26 | Dewin | http://wave.google.com/help/wave/using-wave.html# the "Meeting Notes" example is hilarious if you actually read it. |
| 23:20.09 | cog|work | I like the protocol spec docs... littered with references to douglas adams, firefly, and other geeky goodness =) |
| 23:20.35 | AbsolutRayne | Blah |
| 23:20.43 | AbsolutRayne | I need to find a BF Skin that matches my UI :/ |
| 23:21.46 | ScytheBlade1 | So.. despite chrome-64 being a 46MB binary under linux |
| 23:22.09 | ScytheBlade1 | It still links in 54 libs |
| 23:22.59 | Torhal | mitchnull: Eh? |
| 23:23.08 | mitchnull | int makeProgramLookBig[40*1024*1024] ; |
| 23:23.49 | mitchnull | torhal: Bazooka. you can enable each setting separately (whether you want to bulk-apply or not) |
| 23:24.16 | mitchnull | torhal: should that selection be persistent or only set till you press "Apply"? |
| 23:24.22 | ZorbaGama | pfft, 46mb binary |
| 23:24.36 | ZorbaGama | that's nothing. I used to deal with binaries that were pushing up against 1gb |
| 23:24.40 | ScytheBlade1 | 46mb *release* binary |
| 23:25.04 | ZorbaGama | I think they were 500mb or so in release :D |
| 23:25.06 | Torhal | mitchnull: If you're going to have an apply button at all, I'd say don't make the settings change until it's used. |
| 23:25.19 | Torhal | Unless I'm failing to understand.. |
| 23:25.32 | mitchnull | you're failing to understand :) |
| 23:25.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Chrome will hit 500MB in release if built static |
| 23:25.54 | Torhal | Kinda figured that was the case since otherwise the button would be useless :) |
| 23:26.03 | AbsolutRayne | That was easy! |
| 23:26.25 | Torhal | mitchnull: Oh! If you want to go back to non-global settings, you mean? |
| 23:26.26 | mitchnull | torhal: the settings will be applied only when you press apply. but they will be applied only to the bars/plugins you selected, and _only those options_ will be applied that you marked as "apply this option". clear so far? |
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| 23:26.41 | Torhal | Ok. yah |
| 23:27.15 | mitchnull | so, should the selection (in the Bulk config menu) whether you want to apply a given setting or not be persistent, or reset when you actually press "Apply"? |
| 23:27.46 | mitchnull | like, you select "show icon" setting to apply. select some plugins, press apply |
| 23:28.10 | Torhal | I'd say persistent - after you hit apply, you could decide you would rather not have one setting set, and having to re-click everything would suck. |
| 23:28.16 | mitchnull | tomorrow you return. should the "show icon" setting still be selected to "apply"? |
| 23:28.27 | mitchnull | kk |
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| 23:31.31 | AbsolutRayne | Whos a firm believer that Party Unit Frames dont need to be as large as the Players and Targets? |
| 23:35.24 | Antiarc | Depends on your role. |
| 23:35.44 | Antiarc | When I'm healing I generally fully ignore my personal/target frames and instead use Grid |
| 23:35.45 | mitchnull | I usually have them smaller, but I won't call myself a "firm believer" |
| 23:35.54 | Antiarc | When I'm on my rogue, I have party frames waaaaaaaay small. |
| 23:36.08 | Antiarc | When I'm tanking, I have them large enough to notice aggro/health changes. |
| 23:37.43 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not even sure i need party frames at all |
| 23:38.02 | NightHawkTheSane | most of the time i use grid. |
| 23:39.19 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 23:39.41 | WobWork | the only time I really use party frames is when assigning lead |
| 23:39.47 | WobWork | since I have them excluded from clique |
| 23:40.06 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 23:40.22 | Shirik | Don't you think I'm so sexy, I'm just so fresh, so clean |
| 23:40.23 | NightHawkTheSane | and more often than not, i just target who i want and use the target fram |
| 23:40.25 | NightHawkTheSane | e |
| 23:40.35 | WobWork | yeah |
| 23:40.42 | Shirik | waves hi again from flight level 180 |
| 23:42.28 | Shirik | is tired |
| 23:42.38 | Shirik | Fisker, entertain me |
| 23:43.10 | zenzelezz | kinky |
| 23:44.56 | Shirik | zenzelezz |
| 23:44.59 | Shirik | why do you hate me |
| 23:45.09 | zenzelezz | what makes you think I do? |
| 23:45.24 | Shirik | admit it, you think I am stealing peppy away from you |
| 23:45.30 | zenzelezz | you wish |
| 23:45.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: when did you turn into Fisker ? |
| 23:45.39 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: My body is broken right now |
| 23:46.10 | Shirik | DST went away, I changed timezones, and I am now on my way back from San Antonio not 4 hours since I got there |
| 23:46.32 | Shirik | not to mention I got about 1 hour of sleep last night |
| 23:46.45 | Adys | why do you say not to mention |
| 23:46.49 | Adys | its the second time you mention it |
| 23:46.54 | Shirik | ... |
| 23:47.06 | Shirik | because I didn't mention it this time! |
| 23:47.12 | Adys | you did |
| 23:47.13 | Shirik | until now |
| 23:47.20 | Shirik | fu and your canadian logic |
| 23:48.26 | mitchnull | DST should be obliterated, "normal" timezones adjusted where appropriate |
| 23:48.27 | Shirik | be nice to me :( |
| 23:48.31 | Shirik | or I will sic Cairenn on you |
| 23:48.42 | zenzelezz | sic? |
| 23:48.55 | mitchnull | like, who the hell needs the sun rise at 05:30 or so? |
| 23:49.01 | Shirik | ~dict sic |
| 23:49.24 | zenzelezz | interesting, only heard that one used to say "OMG ITS NOT MY TYPO" |
| 23:49.37 | Shirik | you never heard the phrase "sic him!" ? |
| 23:49.44 | zenzelezz | nope |
| 23:49.52 | NightHawkTheSane | thats so shirik-like. |
| 23:50.00 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 23:50.05 | Shirik | wtf |
| 23:50.12 | Shirik | it's a common phrase, what makes it shirik-like >< |
| 23:50.27 | NightHawkTheSane | i meant zenzelezz not having heard of something very common. :P |
| 23:50.33 | Shirik | oh |
| 23:50.37 | Shirik | wait wtf |
| 23:50.43 | NightHawkTheSane | :D |
| 23:51.18 | Shirik | I have a severe problem |
| 23:51.27 | Shirik | Peanuts, Pretzels, or Biscott Cookies? |
| 23:51.48 | NightHawkTheSane | i assume you mean biscotti? |
| 23:51.56 | Shirik | they don't all them that |
| 23:51.59 | Shirik | I don't know why |
| 23:52.02 | Shirik | but yes |
| 23:52.10 | NightHawkTheSane | ... in that case, peanuts. |
| 23:52.28 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-mobile (n=TC@cpe-76-171-31-86.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 23:52.49 | Shirik | wtf homecoming is this week too? |
| 23:52.55 | Shirik | why is this week absolute hell |
| 23:53.01 | TC-mobile | Moo |
| 23:53.15 | Shirik | rawr |
| 23:53.20 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 23:53.29 | Shirik | huggles Gryphon and TC-mobile |
| 23:53.29 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: I'm Norwegian, what is or isn't common doesn't dictate what I pick up from foreign languages |
| 23:53.32 | Gryphon | huggles Shirik and TC-mobile |
| 23:53.48 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: meh, i was mostly poking fun at Shirik |
| 23:53.59 | TC-mobile | Ping TC |
| 23:54.00 | zenzelezz | fair enough |
| 23:54.11 | Shirik | I refuse to ping TC |
| 23:54.19 | zenzelezz | but it is a fact that my vocabulary has gaps =) |
| 23:54.26 | Thunder_Child | meh, that program need san auto-complete |
| 23:54.32 | *** part/#wowuidev TC-mobile (n=TC@cpe-76-171-31-86.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 23:54.42 | Shirik | what was that on? |
| 23:54.50 | Thunder_Child | my ipod touch |
| 23:54.53 | Shirik | blackberry storm IRC apps suck |
| 23:54.58 | Shirik | they all assume a keyboard |
| 23:55.06 | Shirik | and can't handle the screen orientation change |
| 23:55.34 | Shirik | boggles at sylvanaar |
| 23:56.22 | syrae|homie | Is there a way to read the tooltips of the current player's active Buffs? |
| 23:56.43 | Shirik | !api UnitAura |
| 23:56.44 | lua_bot | UnitAura: Returns information about buffs/debuffs on a unit (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitAura) |
| 23:57.01 | Shirik | oh |
| 23:57.04 | Shirik | misread |
| 23:57.09 | syrae|homie | yeah. No tooltip. :P |
| 23:57.15 | Shirik | Yes, set GameTooltip to it |
| 23:57.19 | syrae|homie | I already checked UnitAura and UnitBuff |
| 23:57.25 | syrae|homie | ah |
