| 00:00.11 | pastamancer | absolutely nothing |
| 00:00.11 | pastamancer | just leave it as the unit |
| 00:00.49 | alestane | Then you shouldn't need that internally. |
| 00:00.50 | Zeksie | x-perl shows their name with <> surrounding. instead of X number of Hoverdisc users. |
| 00:01.11 | Zeksie | if we had a proper event for that as mentioned, then it'd not be needed as it's just display. |
| 00:01.26 | alestane | That kind of marker doesn't need secure actions. |
| 00:02.41 | pastamancer | right, changing the displayed name of the pet is what we're doing now as a workaround |
| 00:03.12 | Zeksie | yes. given stuff from raidpet header and just showing what's really there. on a 2nd set of frames. |
| 00:03.27 | Zeksie | well, rather showing what's 'useful' |
| 00:03.49 | alestane | But UnitInVehicle is only used for informative changes, right? |
| 00:04.08 | Zeksie | only brought up the UnitInVehicle thing cos that's required in the current state of things, but you're quite right that it'd not be needed with a state driven system |
| 00:04.47 | NightHawkTheSane | <-- asshole who /afks out of AV before alliance can kill him and dispel gnome costume |
| 00:06.19 | pastamancer | alestane: [hasvehicleui] would make my day rather than having to hack with [pet:Mechanical,pet:Dragonkin,pet:Not Specified] I have to go home now, but I'll be around later |
| 00:07.00 | Amarande | Night: does that really help you? |
| 00:07.16 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* define "help"? |
| 00:07.32 | Zeksie | of course, if we had a state system for this, we'd also need a filter on the raidpet header to include only real pets (was this mentioned? I joined half way thru). |
| 00:07.35 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm going to die and lose the costume anyway, i may as well start the deserter timer as soon as possible, regardless of time left on the costume |
| 00:07.50 | Amarande | Night: yeah, I was more thinking of the usefulness of saving the costume that way |
| 00:07.57 | Amarande | you only get thirty minutes of gnome at a time |
| 00:08.00 | NightHawkTheSane | that's irrelevent |
| 00:08.09 | Amarande | and deserter lasts 15 ... unless your battlegroup has really nice AV queue times ... |
| 00:08.11 | NightHawkTheSane | it can be refreshed at any time |
| 00:08.20 | Amarande | ah. |
| 00:08.45 | NightHawkTheSane | plus, the perk of screwing some pvp loser out of an HK is worth it |
| 00:09.10 | Amarande | hmm, what battlegroup is this? |
| 00:09.21 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* whatever one whisperwind is in |
| 00:09.24 | NightHawkTheSane | i don't keep up with that nonsense |
| 00:10.01 | Amarande | ah, rampage |
| 00:10.15 | Amarande | I'm just checking up to see if any of my buddies who play wow might be the alliance people you take an HK from :) |
| 00:21.07 | WobWork | wow |
| 00:21.08 | WobWork | http://community.livejournal.com/worldofwarcraft/7454606.html?style=mine#cutid1 |
| 00:21.10 | WobWork | epic =) |
| 00:25.03 | mikma | whats up with the tombstones |
| 00:26.24 | Pytlask | Read the P.S. :) |
| 00:26.31 | NeoTron | mikma: chinese servers can't have skeletons |
| 00:26.35 | NeoTron | so you leave tombstones instead |
| 00:28.18 | mikma | i'd so dig that on our wow |
| 00:28.30 | mikma | [ ] Show skeletons |
| 00:28.54 | Amarande | Chinese servers can't have skeletons?? |
| 00:28.59 | WobWork | Cultural thing |
| 00:29.13 | mikma | ya |
| 00:29.18 | mikma | all the undeads have skin in there |
| 00:29.24 | NeoTron | Amarande: and any mobs that showed bones required more meat on them to hide the bones |
| 00:32.09 | mikma | durcyn: planning on putting the fixed version into wowi soon? (broker_professions) |
| 00:32.40 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: that's awesome |
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| 00:42.08 | alestane | Amarande: It's a violation of Chinese decency laws to incorporate exposed bones into any artwork. |
| 00:42.23 | Amarande | oh, good grief. |
| 00:42.59 | alestane | They are a culture that places a great deal of reverence on one's ancestors. |
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| 00:44.42 | durcyn | mikma: oh, guess i could. pain in the ass maintaining multiple sites :/ |
| 00:45.08 | mikma | durcyn: stick with wowinterface and you will be rewarded |
| 00:45.39 | WobWork | Amarande: It's like America and female nipples |
| 00:45.48 | mikma | NIPPLORRRRRR |
| 00:46.09 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: indeed, i place a great deal of reverence in the female nipple |
| 00:46.17 | Tekkub | China's what's holding back Pandarens in WoW, fuckers |
| 00:46.32 | Tekkub | because of that, I hate China |
| 00:46.54 | Duman | heh |
| 00:47.12 | Amarande | China's also where all the gold sellers come from pretty much |
| 00:47.23 | Gnarfoz | kind of wrong on that one |
| 00:47.25 | Amarande | which requires games to be designed with measures that make life difficult on GSers |
| 00:47.43 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: yeah, it might be Taiwan, although Taiwan is supposedly technically part of China too |
| 00:48.48 | Tekkub | I don't care about goldfarmers, I hang out in exodar and don't use trade or general |
| 00:48.56 | Tekkub | I JUST WANT MY FUCKING PANDAS |
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| 00:49.20 | WobWork | And tek means that literally |
| 00:49.51 | WobWork | Amarande: Well.. yes, Taiwan is where the majority of gold sellers reside |
| 00:50.06 | WobWork | but the US of A is where the majority of gold buyers reside =) |
| 00:53.33 | |Jelly| | So I have a mod that has decided that priest names need to be the color of DKs. :-\ |
| 00:54.55 | |Jelly| | Even in the guild tab. :( |
| 00:57.16 | Thunder_Child | heh, who knew our prez could dodge so well |
| 00:57.48 | WobWork | well he -has- upped his avoidange |
| 00:57.51 | WobWork | avoidance |
| 00:57.54 | Amarande | Diablo II was an awesome game, except ... that it was too easy to farm and sell stuff in |
| 00:58.05 | WobWork | Amarande: and dupe? =P |
| 00:58.11 | Amarande | apparently, these days devs must wrap the game mechanics around creating an environment where it is difficult to do RMT |
| 00:58.15 | Thunder_Child | yes wob, but most people dont up it when getting OUT of the game |
| 00:58.27 | Amarande | Wob: yeah, that too |
| 00:58.34 | WobWork | I hope Obama has a high dodge =\ |
| 00:58.54 | Amarande | I kept trying to get people to not used duped gear in D2, but they insisted that that was the way of things and I was a n00b :S |
| 00:58.57 | WobWork | and that his SS agents always keep Intercept ready |
| 00:58.57 | Thunder_Child | obama doesnt seem to derive the same reactions |
| 00:59.12 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: I'm thinking internal, rather than external influence =P |
| 00:59.23 | NeoTron | Amarande: or you go the way of making everything based on RMT |
| 00:59.43 | NeoTron | where you provide the service in-game making third parties rather useless |
| 00:59.57 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, think so? |
| 01:00.06 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: I certainly hope not |
| 01:00.11 | Amarande | Neo: you mean like all those no-name small MMOs you see on banner ads with scantily clad women pictured? |
| 01:00.23 | WobWork | but after seeing some of the McCain/Palin rallies... |
| 01:01.00 | NeoTron | Amarande: or sony mmo's or the new star trek mmo that's being made from what I can hear |
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| 01:04.22 | Amarande | I mostly only voted for McCain because I wasn't really sure that Obama has thought some of his ideas completely through |
| 01:04.32 | Amarande | and they seem like the kind of ideas that can be awesome if done right, but if they fail, they EPIC fail |
| 01:05.13 | WobWork | Amarande: I think it was more the rallies that were encouraging assasination that worried me |
| 01:07.38 | NightHawkTheSane | what do people use for totem timers these days? |
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| 01:09.01 | Pytlask | NightHawkTheSane: This strange compilation that very few of the people in here have heard of. Called the "Default UI". |
| 01:09.39 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, im using (effectively) that right now, i kinda wanted something with bars, though. |
| 01:10.40 | NightHawkTheSane | might have to write my own if i feel unlazy enough |
| 01:13.32 | Amarande | My shaman hasn't got to the point yet where I need a totem timer, anyway |
| 01:13.44 | Amarande | I don't stay in one place long enough |
| 01:15.19 | pastamancer | hmm, so to get a frame to hide/show based on '[pet:Mechanical,pet:Dragonkin,pet:Not Specified]' I'd RegisterStateDriver(frame, "hasvehicle", "[pet:Dragonkin,...] true")? and then watch for that by wrapping OnAttributeChanged? |
| 01:18.43 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, raids kinda force me to have a timer of some sort |
| 01:19.37 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: ping? |
| 01:20.37 | pastamancer | oh, I see... RegisterStateDriver(frame, 'visibility', '[pet:...]show;hide') |
| 01:20.41 | Amarande | Night: ehh, all totems are instant GCD anyway, you lose what, six seconds at most if they go down? |
| 01:20.47 | Amarande | though I don't know how tight the timing is in 80 raids |
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| 01:21.04 | Amarande | otoh, I DO know there seem to be a fair number of fights where you'll be moving around too much to depend on totems for long at a time |
| 01:21.11 | Amarande | btw, are totems subject to thaddius charges? |
| 01:21.20 | NightHawkTheSane | no, any non-player object is not |
| 01:21.35 | NightHawkTheSane | a) totems have a 1s gcd, so 4s at most. |
| 01:21.35 | Amarande | probably a good thing heh |
| 01:21.51 | Amarande | I'd hate to imagine taking 8000 from suddenly realizing you were differently charged from all your totems :) |
| 01:22.06 | NightHawkTheSane | b) in a raid, i can't always just stop healing for 4 straight seconds when my totems expire and expect everythign to be okay |
| 01:22.16 | Amarande | at least it'd only happen once, since you'd zap the totems too, and they don't have 2000hp :) |
| 01:22.19 | NightHawkTheSane | 4 seconds is 2 boss auto attacks, probably at least one special attack |
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| 01:23.54 | NightHawkTheSane | c) there are situational uses where i'm dropping totems with a shorter duration (earthbind, grounding, searing) that need to be refreshed more often, and, again, i can't spare random gcds just anywhere |
| 01:25.21 | NightHawkTheSane | d) bars, for me, are much easier to discern than a little timer the default UI gives you |
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| 01:29.30 | Olorin | I currently use f:SetScript("OnUpdate", function(self, elap) elapsed = elapsed + elap ...end) to delay a function start, if I want to assign this script to a function declared elsewhere how do I get it to pass the elap element .. im not sure how the elap variable works really... sorry for being bit vague |
| 01:29.39 | alestane | pastamancer: RegisterStateDriver(frame, "visibility", "[pet:Dragonkin/Mechanical] show; hide") |
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| 01:33.01 | alestane | Not sure if it'll support "Not Specified" with the space or not. |
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| 01:48.33 | Cide- | hi |
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| 02:16.13 | Shirik | heh |
| 02:16.14 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: December 15th, 2008 6:15pm PST. . We will be performing maintenance for all realms on Tuesday, December 16th. The downtime will begin at 3:00am PST and end at approximately 11:00am PST.. . Thank you,. . Blizzard Entertainment |
| 02:16.19 | Shirik | 64 bit instruction register is "RIP" |
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| 02:21.25 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. should the main tank normally be getting 7+ stacks of locust swarm on anub? or am i silly to think that they should be able to get away with 4 or less? |
| 02:27.59 | Amarande | Shirik: you mean like EBCDIC? |
| 02:28.04 | Amarande | Erase Backup, Chew Disc, Ignite Cards! |
| 02:28.12 | Shirik | o.O |
| 02:28.39 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: run faster! |
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| 02:29.08 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: so i'm not crazy, then :p |
| 02:31.20 | Amarande | hm |
| 02:31.28 | Amarande | anyone remember if there's a UC holiday vendor, or do I have to take the second zepp? |
| 02:37.24 | Amarande | WTF, how did someone manage to link this? |
| 02:38.33 | Amarande | "Instant, 1.44e+003 min cooldown, Slap in the Face ..." |
| 02:38.47 | Gnarfoz | because... you can link any spell? |
| 02:39.23 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: he's running on the outer rim, though, isn't he? so that the green slime is between him and the central platform? |
| 02:39.43 | kd3 | ama; the devs added that spell back in alpha |
| 02:39.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: i wasn't paying close attention, honestly. |
| 02:40.21 | NightHawkTheSane | i think the first couple times he wasn't. we got him down, but the tank was regularly picking up ~7 stacks of the swarm |
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| 02:49.51 | Amarande | stacking debuffs seem to be the new thing these days |
| 02:49.56 | Amarande | or at least, the new big thing |
| 02:50.05 | Amarande | even as early on as nexus you get them |
| 02:51.55 | Joeba18 | Cidan you active in here? |
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| 03:03.42 | Shirik | lua> t={47, 52, 55, 42, 20}; for k,v in ipairs(t) do print(string.char(v)) end |
| 03:03.42 | lua_bot | Shirik: /, 4, 7, *, |
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| 03:30.46 | Thunder_Child | ~dodge sacarasc |
| 03:30.46 | purl | at the last second thunder_child dodges out of the way of sacarasc's malicious and unprovoked attack. |
| 03:40.17 | sacarasc | [03:39:12] Gnome Commoner says: The Burning Legion has returned! What can we do to stop them? |
| 03:40.33 | Shirik | o.O |
| 03:41.28 | sacarasc | that's what I thought |
| 03:45.13 | Amarande | We can sacrifice you to the Burning Legion so that the Horde may survive, that's what. :) |
| 03:45.15 | Amarande | Stupid gnome. |
| 03:50.57 | AnduinLothar | hey smart people. anyone know of any standard for gui validation of text input boxes? |
| 03:51.29 | Arrowmaster | sacarasc: huh what? |
| 03:51.46 | Arrowmaster | if the broke something im gona have to check this out, i want my tabard of the protector |
| 03:56.05 | Shirik | night all |
| 03:57.00 | Thunder_Child | really Shirik? it's so early for you |
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| 04:01.45 | Thunder_Child | is "Ned, Lord of rhinos..." an exceptionally easy elite? |
| 04:03.06 | Amarande | Quite. |
| 04:03.16 | Amarande | Most Northrend elites outside of instances so far have been total weaksauce |
| 04:04.36 | Thunder_Child | thats odd |
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| 04:04.57 | sacarasc | Arrowmaster: that's what some gnome commoner said, probably meant to say something about winter veil but failed |
| 04:05.20 | |pez| | I found the Elekk Elite to be rather hard. |
| 04:05.42 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: ned wasnt an elite afaik |
| 04:06.00 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: like none of the damn hunting quests had elites, so disappointing |
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| 04:07.11 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: Ned was elite, but Lunchbox wasn't |
| 04:07.12 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, well, it's a group quest and my nameplate said it was |
| 04:07.18 | Amarande | and you didn't even see Ned till after you killed Lunchbox, IIRC |
| 04:07.29 | Thunder_Child | you can traget him instead |
| 04:07.31 | Amarande | Karen, on the other hand, is not elite at all, which makes that quest's "group" status dubious |
| 04:07.32 | Thunder_Child | target* |
| 04:07.34 | Gngsk | ned + vehicle, you can target either or |
| 04:07.47 | Amarande | and Harold Lane is only slightly stronger than Ned |
| 04:08.21 | Arrowmaster | oh wait sorry Ned is tundra, i was thinking of the nessingwary quests |
| 04:09.15 | Arrowmaster | didnt you fight ned while still on a mount |
| 04:09.22 | Arrowmaster | while you were that is |
| 04:09.27 | Arrowmaster | making it an easy fight |
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| 04:10.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: no, that's a differnt quest |
| 04:11.13 | Arrowmaster | fine apparently my memory sucks |
| 04:11.30 | Arrowmaster | no wait, you had to get neds spear or something right? |
| 04:11.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Ned, Lord of Rhinos? no i think you just had to kill him |
| 04:11.57 | Arrowmaster | no nvm that was a different one |
| 04:12.13 | [1]trahma | can someone point me in the direction of a basic tutorial for getting into writing addons? The stuff I found on wowwiki isnt' nearly as complete as it feels it should be |
| 04:12.22 | Arrowmaster | ~wowprogramming |
| 04:12.23 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 04:12.38 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Am I supposed to stay up later? :( |
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| 04:17.48 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, you usually do |
| 04:18.04 | iewnait | Hi, anyone know how to set the channel zone ID when you join a chat channel? |
| 04:18.20 | iewnait | as in 1, 2 , 3 |
| 04:18.33 | Shirik | join it in the right order |
| 04:19.02 | iewnait | hmz |
| 04:19.45 | iewnait | i am trying to join a channel when user start wow. |
| 04:20.13 | iewnait | how do i make sure that it does mess up the original chat channel order? |
| 04:21.54 | Arrowmaster | you need to join it on a delay |
| 04:23.09 | iewnait | i see, any other way beside that? is that an event that fires? |
| 04:23.15 | [1]trahma | is there a way to check if my addon loaded properly? i'm having a hard time getting a slash command to work |
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| 04:23.38 | [1]trahma | if its loaded or if a function i'm attempting to script exists i guess |
| 04:24.29 | Arrowmaster | [1]trahma: enable lua errors in the interface options under help |
| 04:24.49 | [1]trahma | Arrowmaster: i have those turned on as well |
| 04:25.02 | [1]trahma | my files are in my .toc and i think my xml file should be well formed |
| 04:25.03 | Arrowmaster | then if its not loading properly youd likely be getting an error |
| 04:26.38 | Kraps | there are 19 processes in task manager, but it says on the bottom that there are 60 |
| 04:26.52 | Kraps | does not compute |
| 04:27.15 | Mr_Rabies | all users |
| 04:27.17 | Arrowmaster | enable showing processes from all users? |
| 04:27.22 | Thunder_Child | bah, beat me to it |
| 04:27.48 | Kraps | i'm the only user |
| 04:27.59 | Arrowmaster | doesnt matter |
| 04:28.15 | Kraps | eh? |
| 04:28.29 | Arrowmaster | theres still the system user accounts |
| 04:28.38 | Kraps | no |
| 04:28.42 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 04:29.08 | Kraps | there is only 1 user account on this pc |
| 04:29.11 | [1]trahma | Arrowmaster: does this look correct? i'm trying to map /gf or /guildfeed to just pop a hello world message |
| 04:29.41 | Arrowmaster | Kraps: but theres still the accounts used by services and stuff |
| 04:29.47 | Kraps | the "Services" tab does look full though |
| 04:30.03 | Arrowmaster | are you on vista or something? |
| 04:30.17 | Kraps | yep |
| 04:30.28 | Kraps | vista, not something |
| 04:30.40 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.45 | Arrowmaster | i dont use that crap so i dont really know so i cant help much |
| 04:31.35 | Codayus_ | It's the same deal; hit show processes from all users or you'll only see the ones on your user account. As already explained repeatedly. |
| 04:32.12 | Thunder_Child | yes, same for vista |
| 04:32.33 | Thunder_Child | if you have UAC enabled however it will have the popup |
| 04:32.42 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 04:32.51 | Kraps | haha |
| 04:34.40 | Kraps | what do you guys think about the gear look in wrath? |
| 04:34.44 | Thunder_Child | did i say something particularly funny? |
| 04:35.19 | Kraps | UAC = funny |
| 04:35.41 | Kraps | if you have it on = sad |
| 04:36.22 | Thrae | Kraps: I keep it on, as there are some security problems UAC blocks while active. |
| 04:37.02 | Kraps | like? |
| 04:37.05 | Codayus_ | UAC is probably the only meaningful feature Vista has over XP. |
| 04:37.31 | ZorbaTHut | there's a few nice features that I sort of wish I had on XP |
| 04:37.40 | ZorbaTHut | per-app volume control, and better prioritization of non-CPU resources |
| 04:37.51 | Arrowmaster | new version of ntfs |
| 04:38.37 | Codayus_ | In Vista and OS X you can click on the icons brought up when you hit alt tab to select them. You cannot do this in XP. :-( |
| 04:38.59 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 04:39.03 | Thunder_Child | same can be done in win+tab |
| 04:39.18 | Arrowmaster | win+tab doesnt do anything for me |
| 04:39.29 | Tekkub | win-tab /barf |
| 04:39.31 | Thunder_Child | in vista it does a visal alt+tab |
| 04:39.36 | Thunder_Child | visual* |
| 04:39.48 | Thrae | Kraps: Well, most spyware, malware, and viruses are still coded for XP and therefore expect full Admin priviledges. UAC stops these programs from doing stuff like adding themselves to the registry, installing themselves silently, adding themselves to your Startup folder, etc. There are ways to get around UAC when its active but you're getting into rootkit territory. |
| 04:40.12 | Arrowmaster | although i dont use xp's shell so ive had to setup a lot of the standard win+* keybindings myself |
| 04:40.15 | Corrodias | he means, win+tab does the 3d cascade thing so you can scroll through windows |
| 04:41.02 | Thunder_Child | "[08:36] [1] <Nachtelfe>: you know your addicted to WoW when your GFs pants have a low drop rate" |
| 04:41.24 | Thrae | Vista's kernel itself also fixes a HELL of a lot of security holes and problems, which is why it's less compatible to XP despite being NT-based. |
| 04:41.26 | Codayus_ | The "3d cascade thing" is an abomination. |
| 04:41.27 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: old |
| 04:42.07 | Thunder_Child | Kraps, so are you |
| 04:42.14 | Codayus_ | It's really like someone saw Expose, went "hey, you hit a key and all your windows shrink down and fly around - I can do that!", and then they did... |
| 04:42.21 | Kraps | nu uh! |
| 04:42.27 | Thunder_Child | uh huh! |
| 04:42.32 | Corrodias | whatever |
| 04:42.34 | Codayus_ | It's an anti-feature. |
| 04:42.43 | Corrodias | it doesn't get in my way if i don't use it |
| 04:42.49 | Thrae | Windows 7 is basically a slightly tweaked Vista kernel, and most Vista drivers and software work fine on Windows 7. |
| 04:43.14 | Arrowmaster | windows 7 still has the same things that vista does that will keep me from using it |
| 04:43.16 | Thrae | Most of the Windows 7 changes are to the operating system surrounding the kernel. |
| 04:43.28 | Arrowmaster | im switching to a linux desktop with the new system im building |
| 04:43.37 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: Like what? DRM? |
| 04:43.40 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 04:44.13 | Kraps | whats a high dps rotation for a mid-30s SPriest? |
| 04:45.00 | Thrae | Microsoft isn't really pioneering DRM, they're just going along with the RIAA's authoritarian requests. The RIAA is still involved in a legal battle to make DRM mandatory for all commercial entertainment. |
| 04:45.43 | Corrodias | going along with it isn't much better than pioneering it |
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| 04:46.09 | Thrae | Well, what can you expect from a business? |
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| 04:48.43 | Thrae | The DRM Microsoft goes along with is pretty simple and easily cracked, but it stops your Mom (well, most mothers) from becoming an urban software pirate. I don't necessarily think "pirating" is wrong in all aspects, but I do think if you do it or part of it, you should know all the moral and legal ramifications. |
| 04:49.52 | Arrowmaster | i proudly pirated spore! |
| 04:50.37 | Thrae | It's probably better to compare Apple's products to Microsoft's products then to some free, open-source alternative when you're talking about commercial ramifications. |
| 04:51.24 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: but its not just the DRM that i dislike but all the protection theyve put into it to protect the DRM, like the remotely disabling of any version of a driver they want to |
| 04:51.52 | Tekkub | idea: avoid the DRM completely |
| 04:51.57 | Tekkub | best policy evar |
| 04:52.12 | MentalPower | Corrodias: no, but when faced between two choices a) implement DRM and then users can play BluRay movies and other content with the restriction bit set or b) don't implement DRM and users will kill you when they try to play one of the aforementioned media and it errors out. |
| 04:52.14 | Tekkub | there is not DRM in my life and I'm happier for it |
| 04:52.20 | MentalPower | who do you think the user is going to blame? |
| 04:52.59 | MentalPower | Kraps: it really doesn't matter at that level, since you'll groe out of it so fast |
| 04:53.44 | MentalPower | Kraps: from what I remember MindBlast > MindFlay (till mindBlast is up) and make sure SW:P is up at all times |
| 04:53.48 | MentalPower | wand if you OOM |
| 04:53.56 | Tekkub | oh and for what it's worth, my mom was one of those "urban pirates" and instilled that in me at a young age |
| 04:53.59 | Arrowmaster | or they could have not implemented it, and told the MPAA that when they tell users that they cant watch bluray movies on their computers because the MPAA doesnt want them to then people will continue buying cheap dvds instead of blurays |
| 04:54.08 | Tekkub | go across the street and rent a movie, I'll copy it for you |
| 04:54.46 | Corrodias | ah yes, i suppose those movies might matter |
| 04:54.48 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: or just buy a standalone player that does have DRM in it |
| 04:54.48 | Tekkub | Arrowmaster, except who will they get more money out of? |
| 04:54.56 | Corrodias | i don't actually intend to ever -buy- these drmmed video discs |
| 04:54.58 | Tekkub | users, or users and the studios? |
| 04:55.18 | Kraps | MentalPower: i usually do PW:S > SW:P >MindBlast > MindFlay (till mindBlast is up) |
| 04:55.20 | Corrodias | i don't watch movies much anyway |
| 04:55.34 | Tekkub | I just download them, or rent off netflix and copy em |
| 04:55.44 | Tekkub | then watch the copy months after I returned it |
| 04:55.49 | MentalPower | Kraps: looks good, forgot about the shield, TBH, I think its a waste of mana |
| 04:56.20 | MentalPower | Tekkub: the first is illegal, the second is borderline |
| 04:56.32 | Tekkub | borderline my ass |
| 04:56.44 | Tekkub | I do not distribute it |
| 04:56.45 | MentalPower | you don't own the original, so fair use is iffy |
| 04:56.49 | Tekkub | I delete it after I watch it |
| 04:56.54 | Tekkub | it's just delayed-DVD |
| 04:57.14 | Tekkub | not that I give a flying fuck about the "legality" of it anyway :P |
| 04:57.15 | MentalPower | still iffy at best |
| 04:57.20 | MentalPower | granted |
| 04:58.02 | Tekkub | my point be, the only way to fight DRM is to prove it don't work |
| 04:58.23 | Corrodias | but people gobble up ps3's and super extended feature editions of the dark knight |
| 04:58.31 | Tekkub | and that with the MPAA/RIAA, you have to beat that proof into their thick skulls |
| 04:58.59 | Tekkub | wait, what, people buy PS3s? |
| 04:59.14 | Joeba18 | lol |
| 04:59.18 | Arrowmaster | i did, i barely ever use it |
| 04:59.20 | Corrodias | so i've heard |
| 04:59.22 | Tekkub | at a "gobble up" rate even? |
| 04:59.22 | MentalPower | lets not bring the PS3 into this |
| 04:59.34 | Corrodias | apparently they wanted to watch MGS4 |
| 04:59.45 | Corrodias | (see wut i did there) |
| 04:59.47 | MentalPower | the RIAA is already learning that, consider the strength of the amazon store |
| 04:59.55 | MentalPower | Corrodias: nicely done :) |
| 04:59.56 | Arrowmaster | it looks like crap because i cant use a digital connection since my monitor doesnt support hdcp |
| 05:00.19 | Tekkub | once again, you let DRM kick your ass |
| 05:00.24 | Arrowmaster | i did |
| 05:00.34 | Tekkub | fight back |
| 05:00.44 | Arrowmaster | i do |
| 05:00.48 | MentalPower | I was under the impression that HDCP was not yet "required" |
| 05:00.54 | Corrodias | sony is on the front lines of disrespecting customers |
| 05:01.00 | MentalPower | granted again |
| 05:01.03 | Corrodias | i hate them so much... |
| 05:01.14 | Arrowmaster | i bought a ps3 that was sold for way less than its value and dont purchase ps3 games that are sold way more than their value |
| 05:01.20 | Corrodias | i am an... antifanboy |
| 05:01.34 | MentalPower | Tekkub: what DRM? |
| 05:01.34 | Arrowmaster | MentalPower: ps3 and vista require hdcp |
| 05:01.36 | Corrodias | good man, Arrowmaster |
| 05:01.52 | Tekkub | ATRAC or whatever their stupid "it's not MP3!" format was |
| 05:01.54 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: only if the content does |
| 05:01.54 | Corrodias | i don't know what vista requires it -for-, exactly |
| 05:02.09 | Tekkub | it had a built in limit to the number of digital copies you could make |
| 05:02.11 | MentalPower | Corrodias: ^^^^ |
| 05:02.14 | Arrowmaster | MentalPower: no, the ps3 requires hdcp for all digital connections |
| 05:02.24 | MentalPower | fun, then that's Sony's BS |
| 05:02.37 | MentalPower | vista only requires it when the content its playing does |
| 05:02.45 | Arrowmaster | Tekkub: what digital copies? |
| 05:02.54 | Tekkub | and you went and gave them monies for permission to have their hardware rape you! |
| 05:03.00 | Corrodias | and if you never buy official blu-ray stuff... that should be JUST about never, is that it, MentalPower? |
| 05:03.06 | Tekkub | Arrowmaster, uh, did you own a minidisc? |
| 05:03.10 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 05:03.24 | Joeba18 | sony has just lost there since of direction since they now have good systems to fight with now |
| 05:03.27 | Tekkub | did it have a digital input for recording? |
| 05:03.34 | Tekkub | mine did |
| 05:03.52 | Arrowmaster | i think it did but i didnt have anything with a digital output |
| 05:03.58 | Corrodias | i bought a ps2 eventually, refurbished from gamestop |
| 05:04.06 | Arrowmaster | but the way it recorded i couldnt call it a digital copy |
| 05:04.07 | Tekkub | then you never ran into the limit |
| 05:04.08 | Corrodias | i still had to fix it a little more myself, those bastards |
| 05:04.49 | Arrowmaster | i got one of the mgs4 80gig ps3 bundles that still has software ps2 emulation |
| 05:05.05 | Corrodias | oh yeah, i heard they removed that feature in the newer ones |
| 05:05.08 | Amarande | btw, do you need a special monitor cable for hdcp, or do you just have to have both video card and monitor support it? |
| 05:05.19 | Corrodias | i can only assume they removed it because it seemed the wrong thing to do |
| 05:05.22 | Amarande | I'm almost certain my video card does HDCP ... would have to get a new monitor though |
| 05:05.25 | Tekkub | "All consumer-grade MiniDisc devices feature a copy-protection scheme known as Serial Copy Management System. An unprotected disc or song can be copied without limit, but the copies can no longer be digitally copied." |
| 05:05.58 | Arrowmaster | i know i can easily mod the drive to remove the check on ps2 disks so it will run burnt ps2 games |
| 05:06.00 | MentalPower | Amarande: HDMI |
| 05:06.08 | Tekkub | if you recorded via the digital input, it was flagged so you couldn't copy it digitally off the minidisc |
| 05:06.11 | Amarande | Corrodias: they removed the PS2 emulation apparently because it was increasing the cost of the PS3 too much to compete |
| 05:06.12 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: HDMI or DVI w/HDCP |
| 05:06.22 | MentalPower | is the only (readily available) connection that does HDCP |
| 05:06.27 | Corrodias | lol, since when did they care about cost >_> |
| 05:06.44 | Amarande | Basically, the PS2 emulation required them to essentially INCLUDE a PS2 in the PS3 |
| 05:06.48 | Tekkub | when they realized not even the fanbois would pay 1k for a PS3? |
| 05:06.54 | Amarande | because they needed the emotion CPU or some such |
| 05:07.00 | Arrowmaster | the ps3 UI is still fucking shit though compared to the 360, although im hating the new 360 ui too |
| 05:07.11 | Amarande | sadly, I think I get off the console game bus pretty soon |
| 05:07.15 | Kraps | Loserhorde [Orcish]: I WIN CUZ I CAN WIPE OUT SOUTSHORE |
| 05:07.20 | Corrodias | what a console needs a UI for i am not sure |
| 05:07.28 | Tekkub | last console I owned was... |
| 05:07.32 | Amarande | I just got Persona 4, which means I've gotten either the swansong, or the next-to-swansong of good PS2 RPGs |
| 05:07.32 | Tekkub | *drumroll* |
| 05:07.35 | Tekkub | SNES! |
| 05:07.40 | Corrodias | none of them had significant UI's before this "generation" |
| 05:07.43 | Amarande | depending on whether Ar tonelico 2 is any good |
| 05:07.58 | Corrodias | i think they're trying to become small, heavily locked-down PC's |
| 05:08.12 | Kraps | Tekkub: i had an snes |
| 05:08.13 | Tekkub | trying? |
| 05:08.49 | Arrowmaster | the xbox was my first true console, was never really into consoles when i was younger and im still not that much |
| 05:09.10 | Tekkub | I thought they were trying to prove they *weren't* PC so that they weren't taxed as such in some countries |
| 05:09.31 | Arrowmaster | ive got two xbox's, xbox360, and a ps3 |
| 05:09.36 | Arrowmaster | never had any other true consoles |
| 05:09.38 | Corrodias | i was... and i guess i should be now, except that i can't justify paying a few hundred dollars for a system that can play 3 or 4 games i want, when i can wait 10 years and play them cheaper. in the meantime, the same cash spent on my PC will just be more satisfying |
| 05:10.09 | Amarande | Ar tonelico 2, in any case, will almost 100% likely be the very last RPG released for PS2 in the US, ever |
| 05:10.14 | Corrodias | (yes, i'm not exactly a "must play new game now" kind of guy. really into single-player stuff.) |
| 05:10.31 | Tekkub | spending $300 and upgrading everything except your case and HDD *is* quite satifying when you look at a PS3 right afterwards |
| 05:10.49 | Arrowmaster | 10 years ago i was big into online play with halflife and its mods |
| 05:10.57 | Arrowmaster | now i cant stand online fps |
| 05:11.44 | Tekkub | are the homo elves back in the Silvermoon inn? |
| 05:11.58 | Amarande | actually, maybe the new Devil Summoner might be |
| 05:12.10 | Amarande | since ATLUS seems to be very insistent on sticking with PS2 till the very nitty gritty end |
| 05:12.32 | Corrodias | i should look into those games... |
| 05:12.33 | Amarande | MegaTen FTW! |
| 05:12.48 | Amarande | and once PS2 has had its day ... well ... |
| 05:12.54 | Amarande | PS3 still has basically jack all for RPGs |
| 05:13.02 | Arrowmaster | i keep thinking about moding my ps3 to let me play burnt ps2 games just because i want to play some jrpgs |
| 05:13.11 | Amarande | 360 really doesn't have much notable either RPG-wise that isn't also available on PC, other than the new Star Ocean |
| 05:13.27 | Amarande | There's a few more on the Wii, but I think the RPG genre is coming to a close :( |
| 05:13.48 | Arrowmaster | i still need to play fallout3 |
| 05:14.04 | Arrowmaster | i got it for 360 at release but havent really played it much |
| 05:14.10 | iewnait | anyone know any wow event that is trigger a few time every sec? trying to write a delay function |
| 05:14.44 | Adys | iewnait: use some lib for that |
| 05:15.05 | iewnait | adys: As in? |
| 05:15.13 | Arrowmaster | AceTimer-3.0 |
| 05:15.14 | Adys | AceTimer, or Dongle |
| 05:15.43 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, i played morrowind/oblivion for hours on end, but fallout3 bored me rather fast |
| 05:16.04 | Arrowmaster | i played morrowind for hours too |
| 05:16.16 | Arrowmaster | but i didnt play oblivion much because of the stupid leveling system |
| 05:16.39 | Arrowmaster | not the mob leveling system everybody bitches about but the character leveling one |
| 05:16.44 | MentalPower | iewnait: if you really must write your own delay function, use the <OnUpdate> frame handler |
| 05:16.46 | iewnait | AceTimer, is that a lua lib or an wow addon? |
| 05:17.02 | MentalPower | iewnait: tho I do second the earlier options, use a lib |
| 05:17.06 | MentalPower | iewnait: kinda both |
| 05:17.18 | MentalPower | iewnait: its a lib, written as a WoW AddOn |
| 05:17.37 | Arrowmaster | i powergame everything and always try to make the best possible character in an rpg, its an obcession that easily ruins some games |
| 05:17.42 | [1]trahma | is there a wayt to load an xml file from a website? |
| 05:17.47 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 05:17.52 | MentalPower | [1]trahma: no |
| 05:18.15 | Adys | its an obcession that easily ruins some games => qft |
| 05:18.27 | [1]trahma | does an addon like questhelper just have all of the quests cached then? |
| 05:18.32 | Adys | its also a shame when you see a game that has tons of potential |
| 05:18.40 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, what was the problem with the leveling system? |
| 05:18.40 | Adys | [1]trahma: yes |
| 05:18.43 | MentalPower | [1]trahma: yes |
| 05:19.41 | Kraps | question: i have a lot of spellpower gear, but i'm afraid of losing spirit. is it worth it anyway? |
| 05:19.45 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: to maximixe the potential you had to completely plan out how you were going to level and your build and only level those skills you intended to that level |
| 05:19.53 | Adys | Kraps: are you a rogue? |
| 05:20.11 | [1]trahma | wow i didn't realize thats how lighthead and all those work |
| 05:20.14 | [1]trahma | kind of crazy |
| 05:20.30 | Kraps | i could just say yes for the heck of it... |
| 05:20.47 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: those that bitched so much about how all the mobs got super hard when the character got to high levels most likely leveled in extremely weak ways and thus had shitty character stats |
| 05:20.56 | Adys | Kraps: then I recommend going for gear with statistics improving melee damage rather than spell damage ! |
| 05:21.16 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, i dunno, i did it by ear and i never had an issue |
| 05:21.24 | Kraps | Adys: ... |
| 05:21.32 | Kraps | i'm a priest |
| 05:21.34 | Adys | thanks ! |
| 05:21.41 | Adys | its worth losing spirit i think |
| 05:21.46 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: such as anybody that put the running or jumping skills as major skills had fail characters |
| 05:21.52 | Adys | fights aren't really long, even the worst ones |
| 05:22.14 | Adys | unless your regen is awful at this point of the game id go for spellpower above spirit |
| 05:22.23 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, i had athletics as a major and did fine |
| 05:22.41 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, granted i am talking about the main w/o the expansions |
| 05:23.07 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: then you likely didnt suck either and knew how to play the game |
| 05:23.20 | Kraps | Adys: then the question is: what is considered awful? |
| 05:23.33 | Adys | Kraps: if you don't know, then its prolly not your case |
| 05:23.40 | MentalPower | iewnait: no DCC chat, if you want to ask something, just ask |
| 05:24.06 | Adys | if your regen is bad you'll feel it very quickly even in heroics |
| 05:24.09 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, not a grapping clue |
| 05:25.14 | Arrowmaster | although like i said i powergame everything and found everything about oblivion super easy except the trouble i was going through trying to level how i wanted to |
| 05:26.03 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, http://www.wizards.com/global/images/magic/general/Timmy_Power_Gamer.jpg |
| 05:26.27 | Arrowmaster | my friends hate that about me |
| 05:26.36 | Arrowmaster | ive even powergamed pen and paper rpgs |
| 05:26.51 | Thunder_Child | we call it min/max in pen and paper |
| 05:26.57 | Thunder_Child | L2lingo |
| 05:27.34 | Arrowmaster | no theres a little bit of a difference between what i did and min/max |
| 05:28.01 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: pong |
| 05:28.24 | Thunder_Child | min/maxing is functionally the same as powergaming |
| 05:28.32 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: wow, that was like 4 hours ago. :P and, nevermind. i had a question about cooldownbuttons, but i figured it out |
| 05:28.43 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: away log is win :P |
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| 05:30.07 | Arrowmaster | AD&D 3rd ed epic level rogue that maxed out bluff so i could do one single attack every round but if i passed my bluff check it ignored all the targets dex bonus to AC and was always a sneak attack |
| 05:30.17 | Arrowmaster | had to role so many d6 in that campain |
| 05:30.26 | Arrowmaster | s/role/roll/ |
| 05:30.27 | [1]trahma | okay last question for the night :) is there a way i can load an xml file from calling a script rather than it being loaded when the addon is loaded? |
| 05:30.36 | Tekkub | no |
| 05:30.37 | Arrowmaster | [1]trahma: no |
| 05:30.47 | [1]trahma | that also sucks :) |
| 05:30.52 | Tekkub | not really |
| 05:30.58 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, 3rd ed. was no longer 'A'D&D |
| 05:31.02 | Thunder_Child | just D&D |
| 05:31.07 | Arrowmaster | true |
| 05:31.10 | [1]trahma | well from a security standpoint i can understand it |
| 05:31.26 | Thunder_Child | much to the iriation to many a friend |
| 05:31.28 | [1]trahma | trying to load any external dynamic information sounds impossible |
| 05:31.37 | Tekkub | that's the point |
| 05:31.49 | MentalPower | [1]trahma: bingo! |
| 05:32.05 | [1]trahma | just doesn't help my addon idea at all :) |
| 05:32.15 | Tekkub | then get a new idea |
| 05:32.19 | Tekkub | there's tons of em |
| 05:32.27 | MentalPower | there are limitations to every system, and this one has a few of them |
| 05:32.36 | [1]trahma | yeah its understandable |
| 05:32.47 | MentalPower | Tekkub: would you consider WoW's programming limitations a form of DRM? |
| 05:33.03 | Adys | .. what |
| 05:33.12 | Tekkub | does it make it so I can't copy music and video? |
| 05:33.28 | MentalPower | Adys: philosophical question |
| 05:33.33 | Adys | right |
| 05:34.04 | MentalPower | Tekkub: technically, it does, but considering that's not the intent of WoW then I guess that way of looking at it is not valid in this context |
| 05:34.25 | Adys | if you go this way might aswell consider any kind of limitation, or anything that goes against some form of freedom, a "form of DRM" |
| 05:34.36 | Tekkub | how does it technically? :P |
| 05:34.42 | MentalPower | Adys: my thinking exactly |
| 05:34.44 | Tekkub | it doesn't PREVENT me from doing it |
| 05:34.59 | Tekkub | it just doesn't provide me the tools (file lib) to do it with wow |
| 05:35.00 | [1]trahma | well the default definition of drm is "digital rights management" which it's intent is to prevent copying of media. |
| 05:35.06 | MentalPower | Tekkub: well, you can't copy the game's music using it |
| 05:35.20 | [1]trahma | so for programming limitations, drm is quite far off |
| 05:35.29 | Tekkub | but I can pull them out of the mpqs |
| 05:35.41 | Tekkub | without any modification needed as far as I'm aware |
| 05:35.49 | Tekkub | so again, where's the preventing me? :) |
| 05:35.51 | MentalPower | ah, but that would break the protections on it (its a closed format) |
| 05:36.04 | Adys | you might aswell just use PlaySoundFile and record |
| 05:36.26 | MentalPower | yeah, but you'd need to break the WoW sandbox (by using an external recording program) |
| 05:36.33 | Tekkub | obfusaction or not publishing specs is NOT protection |
| 05:37.08 | Adys | DRM is a protection layer |
| 05:37.25 | Adys | wow's programming limitations are a lack of something, by design or not |
| 05:37.26 | MentalPower | some would say that's the only reason DRM works (by obfuscation and not publishing specs) at the very least that's the primary reason the DMCA was written |
| 05:37.46 | Tekkub | "I won't tell people they can access the admin panel at <url>/admin" ~= "admin panel is protected" |
| 05:37.49 | MentalPower | Adys: WoW's protection layer prevents you from using the movement functions |
| 05:37.58 | mikma | nsf america http://fukung.net/v/9789/2fdbaf76b9f5bb37098cf53da00100e0.jpg |
| 05:38.18 | Adys | mikma: rofl |
| 05:38.33 | Kraps | Adys: welp, i'm killing stuff much faster, and regen is barely a problem, at least on green mobs |
| 05:38.34 | MentalPower | ROFL!!!! |
| 05:38.49 | Adys | that pic is perfect |
| 05:38.53 | Adys | Kraps: spellpower |
| 05:39.13 | Tekkub | I don't get it :P |
| 05:39.18 | Tekkub | but I'll counter with http://fukung.net/v/10750/6da74db9c09dd994c8b70248250169e4.jpg |
| 05:39.40 | Adys | MentalPower: i thought you were still onto the preventing file write thing |
| 05:39.41 | Adys | anyway |
| 05:40.03 | MentalPower | Adys: well WoW's limitations have many facets |
| 05:40.08 | MentalPower | writing out is only one of them |
| 05:40.26 | Adys | DRM is there to prevent you from possessing something you wouldnt legally be allowed to possess |
| 05:40.39 | Adys | how's that fitting wow's limitations? |
| 05:40.49 | Arrowmaster | Tekkub: lol whats that from |
| 05:42.49 | MentalPower | from one end, you can't posses the ability to move programatically (whether that's illegal or not is topic for another day) from the other, you can't posses realtime access to the data inside the game |
| 05:43.03 | mikma | some dude playing wow while hes being shown in tv broadcast |
| 05:43.36 | Tekkub | http://fukung.net/v/9472/e0aa273238b3bec08097b0e641dc15cb.jpg |
| 05:43.38 | Tekkub | that is all |
| 05:44.05 | MentalPower | http://fukung.net/v/6564/22168.jpg |
| 05:44.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: the one bad thing about SexyMap... is that now I don't try to manage button spam at all :/ |
| 05:44.21 | Antiarc | hehe |
| 05:44.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: "ohh now that I don't see it always maybe I can leave it here for fast access... and that one, and that one, and that one, and -- wait :(" |
| 05:44.46 | Adys | Tags: awesome cool win nice banal |
| 05:45.07 | Adys | what the fuck is up with letting people who don't know what tags are.. actually use them |
| 05:45.41 | MentalPower | http://fukung.net/v/4657/sign3.jpg |
| 05:46.38 | Arrowmaster | i dont get that one, how is that a bug |
| 05:48.22 | Adys | http://fukung.net/v/5621/101182.jpg |
| 05:48.27 | Adys | that is a GREAT idea |
| 05:49.01 | Gngsk | http://fukung.net/v/9486/26b78cf3d4f9dc9b2431c262657370ca.gif |
| 05:50.07 | Amarande | "SexyMap"? |
| 05:50.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: google |
| 05:50.25 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: that is physically impossible (unless its falling, or doctored or whathaveyou) |
| 05:51.05 | Adys | or glued |
| 05:51.05 | MentalPower | http://fukung.net/v/4643/brilliant.jpg |
| 05:51.13 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt look impossible to me |
| 05:51.16 | Arrowmaster | its balancing |
| 05:51.30 | Adys | its glued |
| 05:51.37 | Adys | the hammer is all the way to the right |
| 05:51.46 | Adys | theres nothing under the table at all |
| 05:51.47 | Arrowmaster | no its not |
| 05:51.57 | Adys | it cant hold all that stuff on 3mm |
| 05:52.21 | Arrowmaster | the end of the hammer is under the table |
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| 05:52.29 | Adys | uhhh |
| 05:52.33 | Adys | depends how you look at it |
| 05:52.44 | Cide- | shadow says it is |
| 05:53.01 | MentalPower | (or glued or freezeframe) |
| 05:53.22 | Adys | glued it looks definitely doable, easily even |
| 05:53.50 | Adys | but the way i look at it atm it'd slip to the right |
| 05:54.19 | MentalPower | the ruler is also bent |
| 05:54.27 | Arrowmaster | bent from the force |
| 05:54.30 | Cide- | obviously |
| 05:54.36 | MentalPower | to it might be that theres something to the right holding the ruler and it was removed in post |
| 05:54.38 | Cide- | the hammer wants to go to the left |
| 05:54.45 | Cide- | which ends up pushing the shaft of the hammer upwards |
| 05:54.59 | Cide- | giving the ruler a force upwards at the point of contact |
| 05:55.01 | Arrowmaster | but theres friction from the rubber handle |
| 05:55.10 | Arrowmaster | so its not slipping |
| 05:55.10 | MentalPower | right, if the ruler were supported on both ends the picture would be possible |
| 05:55.21 | MentalPower | but from just 3mm support on the left its kinda impossible |
| 05:55.21 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 05:55.28 | Cide- | don't think it is |
| 05:55.43 | Adys | the ruler is supported on 2 points |
| 05:55.51 | Adys | the hammer touchpoint and the table |
| 05:56.42 | Adys | problem is, unless this hammer is REALLY light, which it obviously isn't, the touchpoint wouldn't be effective unless it was way deeper under the table |
| 05:57.01 | Cide- | how so? |
| 05:57.17 | MentalPower | it might be, the angle of the shot is conducive to that |
| 05:57.25 | Cide- | gravity pulls the head down |
| 05:57.29 | Adys | the angle is fucked up yes |
| 05:57.43 | MentalPower | the entire head might be under the table |
| 05:57.50 | Arrowmaster | i used to have a hammer just like that, its not that heavy |
| 05:57.55 | MentalPower | I still don't think that would be enough |
| 05:59.49 | Cide- | I think it might be |
| 06:00.03 | Cide- | I'm enough of a believer to guess it's not fake anyway |
| 06:00.06 | Adys | I also think it might be |
| 06:00.12 | Adys | .. time for me to go to bed |
| 06:00.17 | Cide- | same |
| 06:00.20 | Adys | night |
| 06:00.47 | MentalPower | hmm... I might just have to try it someday |
| 06:01.08 | Adys | see this is where lies our difference MentalPower |
| 06:01.20 | Adys | you see stuff like that, you instantly want to try it some day |
| 06:01.25 | Adys | I'm trying this tomorrow |
| 06:01.29 | Tekkub | Buy it, use it, break it, fix it, Trash it, change it, melt - upgrade it, Charge it, pawn it, zoom it, press it, Snap it, work it, quick - erase it, Write it, cut it, paste it, save it, Load it, check it, quick - rewrite it, Plug it, play it, burn it, rip it, Drag and drop it, zip - unzip it, Lock it, fill it, call it, find it, View it, code it, jam - unlock it, Surf it, scroll it, pose it, click it, Cross it, crack it, twit |
| 06:01.30 | Tekkub | ch - update it, Name it, read it, tune it, print it, Scan it, send it, fax - rename it, Touch it, bring it, pay it, watch it, Turn it, leave it, stop - format it. |
| 06:01.35 | Cide- | nice span |
| 06:01.36 | Cide- | spam |
| 06:01.38 | Adys | okay Tekkub |
| 06:01.41 | Tekkub | bah, stupid IRC broke it into two lines |
| 06:01.49 | Tekkub | Daft Punk ^^ |
| 06:01.56 | Cide- | I'm going to try it out, and then assemble a kit for easy carrying |
| 06:02.05 | Cide- | and then be the guy with the coolest party trick at every party. |
| 06:02.20 | Adys | I'm going to make one out of lego |
| 06:02.23 | Arrowmaster | i dont think its much of a party trick |
| 06:02.25 | MentalPower | Adys, Cide: if either of you do it, please send pictures :) |
| 06:02.32 | Adys | yeah |
| 06:02.32 | Cide- | doubt you could do that Adys :P |
| 06:02.38 | Arrowmaster | the point of that photo is the angle its taken at i think |
| 06:02.39 | Cide- | you need the difference in weight to be large |
| 06:02.41 | Adys | I just have to find a hammer |
| 06:02.43 | Adys | and a ruler |
| 06:02.45 | Arrowmaster | making people think its not real |
| 06:02.49 | Adys | and probably a piece of string too. |
| 06:02.49 | Cide- | Arrowmaster: would still blow most non-physicists away |
| 06:02.54 | Amarande | Cide: It's LEGO |
| 06:03.00 | Amarande | You can build ANYTHING with Lego |
| 06:03.09 | Cide- | physics says you can't |
| 06:03.09 | Amarande | DO NOT DOUBT THE ALMIGHTY LEGO |
| 06:03.10 | Cide- | try again |
| 06:03.22 | Adys | CAN YOU BUILD... |
| 06:03.27 | Adys | sharks with friggin lazerbeams |
| 06:03.38 | Adys | out of lego? |
| 06:03.41 | Arrowmaster | i built a harddrive cage with erector set stuff, trying building one from lego |
| 06:03.42 | Cide- | in theory |
| 06:03.53 | Amarande | Adys: hmm, maybe, if you ordered special custom-made ruby Lego bricks to focus the laser |
| 06:04.00 | Cide- | could you build a lego car moving in velocities > c? |
| 06:04.09 | Cide- | or >= c? |
| 06:04.16 | Amarande | speaking of rubies and lasers |
| 06:04.19 | Amarande | I own a ruby ring |
| 06:04.25 | Adys | awesome |
| 06:04.26 | Amarande | specifically, the Badali Jewelry LOTR Narya |
| 06:04.27 | Adys | good night |
| 06:04.41 | Amarande | and whenever I have it on at work anywhere near some of the registers, it causes strange things to happen with the laser |
| 06:04.47 | Thunder_Child | Cide-, build one WHILE moving > c? |
| 06:04.50 | Amarande | like items scanning that are nowhere -near- the laser path ... |
| 06:05.00 | Cide- | Thunder_Child: what? |
| 06:05.08 | Cide- | no |
| 06:05.19 | Cide- | but I'd venture a guess that that is also not doable |
| 06:05.30 | Thunder_Child | twhat you asked was fail |
| 06:05.37 | Cide- | no |
| 06:05.41 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 06:05.56 | Cide- | it was gramatically ambiguous, perhaps, but it didn't invalidate the validity of the question |
| 06:06.03 | Cide- | rhetorical question, I might add |
| 06:06.05 | Thunder_Child | "could you build a lego car that moved in velocitys > c?" |
| 06:06.07 | Thunder_Child | is proper |
| 06:06.14 | Cide- | doesn't mean it was a fail question at all |
| 06:06.27 | Cide- | both cases have the same correct answer: no |
| 06:07.14 | Cide- | but I'm pretty sure my grammar was also proper |
| 06:07.16 | NightHawkTheSane | There are no stupid questions. |
| 06:07.19 | NightHawkTheSane | only the stupid people that ask them |
| 06:07.20 | Cide- | yes there are |
| 06:07.23 | Amarande | Night: Only stupid people. :) |
| 06:07.28 | Amarande | Ahh, South Park. :D |
| 06:07.37 | NightHawkTheSane | thats far older than south park |
| 06:07.44 | Thunder_Child | Cide-, yes |
| 06:07.47 | Thunder_Child | it could |
| 06:07.55 | Cide- | what could? |
| 06:08.01 | Thunder_Child | go faster than c |
| 06:08.03 | Cide- | no |
| 06:08.28 | Thunder_Child | however it would require external motion |
| 06:08.36 | Cide- | you mean acceleration? |
| 06:09.18 | Thunder_Child | sure |
| 06:09.22 | Cide- | got you |
| 06:09.52 | Cide- | I leave the reason why that would make you wrong as an exercise to the reader. good night |
| 06:10.27 | Thunder_Child | when you come back Cide, YOU FAIL |
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| 06:39.44 | MentalPower | http://fukung.net/v/10708/motivator1700472.jpg' |
| 06:41.59 | NightHawkTheSane | MentalPower: awesome |
| 06:44.58 | Thunder_Child | serious lol MentalPower |
| 06:45.22 | MentalPower | http://fukung.net/v/9247/9205f56a9425e8205901506d254ab762.gif <--not apt for people that get dizzy |
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| 06:46.36 | MentalPower | WTF... http://fukung.net/v/8680/53b126733498ce74f761d72f900a91e1.jpg |
| 06:47.05 | Thunder_Child | really....cloging the drains? |
| 06:52.29 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, im going to call bs. |
| 06:53.47 | |pez| | that's got to be some semen |
| 06:55.56 | Thunder_Child | hahah http://fukung.net/v/1601/waltz.gif |
| 06:57.18 | Tekkub | freaky... I instance-hearthed and it like, double cooldown'd my actionbutton |
| 06:57.19 | Tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/3112889022/ |
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| 07:02.18 | NightHawkTheSane | hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHJdve7GNuE&fmt=18 |
| 07:09.08 | MentalPower | http://fukung.net/v/2871/broccolis.jpg |
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| 07:14.24 | MentalPower | http://fukung.net/v/5841/4865a33daaa4bf3bd20f586e9871bb9b.jpg |
| 07:14.33 | linear` | anyone got an example of something that can be done with the new securehandler stuff that wasnt possible before |
| 07:15.55 | Arrowmaster | you can make a secure frame move in combat |
| 07:16.13 | Arrowmaster | ive heard |
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| 07:17.56 | MentalPower | http://fukung.net/v/5168/2ur1h6t.gif |
| 07:19.34 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=023_1229383665 Bush vs. Shoe |
| 07:21.40 | ReAn | OMFG WIN: http://fukung.net/v/10308/obama.jpg |
| 07:21.59 | NightHawkTheSane | old news |
| 07:24.00 | Kirov | I'm surprised they think Obama is a shadow priest. |
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| 07:24.43 | Zxcvb | is the 3.0.8 patch coming out today? |
| 07:25.06 | ScytheBlade1 | ~wowalert |
| 07:25.07 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 07:25.14 | ScytheBlade1 | You see maint? |
| 07:26.16 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> it doesn't 404 for me, ScytheBlade1 |
| 07:26.25 | ScytheBlade1 | We will be performing maintenance for all realms on Tuesday, December 16th. The downtime will begin at 3:00am PST and end at approximately 11:00am PST. |
| 07:26.35 | ScytheBlade1 | That, plus news that S5 is starting tomorrow |
| 07:26.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Chances are high |
| 07:26.47 | NightHawkTheSane | oh wait, i misread purl, ignoreme |
| 07:26.51 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 07:26.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Will do! |
| 07:27.02 | NightHawkTheSane | :) |
| 07:27.59 | Zxcvb | so what are the odds that they will release 3.0.8 during this maintenence today? |
| 07:30.09 | ScytheBlade1 | 02:26 < ScytheBlade1> Chances are high |
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| 07:42.34 | |Jelly| | "2| [Déthklok]: lf23m for last 5 bosses 25 man naxx pst stats need 6 heals mt or ot need shadowpriest" |
| 07:43.16 | Tekkub | that sounds like how I used to harass my old rogue guild leader |
| 07:43.26 | Tekkub | "LF39M MC full on rogues!" |
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| 08:03.29 | Thunder_Child | hahaha NSFW http://fukung.net/v/2834/boob_sizes.jpg one of the tags is cancer |
| 08:05.21 | Corrodias | chuckle |
| 08:15.18 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/8941/26c3f1ccdff4dcca6396699d87f46d73.jpg |
| 08:16.24 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/9589/25225e45b5f80fa2f13996b28dc3158e.jpg |
| 08:28.28 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/5983/thieving_bitch.jpg |
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| 08:56.19 | WobWork | http://fukung.net/v/11148/cake_003.jpg |
| 08:57.04 | Kalroth | the dimensions are off |
| 08:57.17 | cladhaire | we've all just wasted an hour of our day |
| 08:57.21 | Kalroth | not geeky enough |
| 08:57.35 | Kalroth | cladhaire: what did you break now |
| 08:57.43 | cladhaire | nothing |
| 08:57.51 | cladhaire | but we all got sucked into the fukung black hole of death |
| 08:57.52 | Kalroth | liar |
| 08:57.55 | Kalroth | oh |
| 08:58.07 | Kalroth | I've already clicked 3 times while typing on irc :( |
| 08:58.17 | cladhaire | :P |
| 08:58.25 | cladhaire | its keyboard navigatable! |
| 08:58.26 | cladhaire | this is the problem |
| 08:58.29 | cladhaire | so easy |
| 08:58.39 | Kalroth | http://fukung.net/v/8421/t_greatfamilyevent_556.jpg I wish my daddy was this cool |
| 09:03.58 | WobWork | http://fukung.net/v/9634/ef8d64d8417905ae4d5cc7ff6c8f167d.jpg is still my favourite |
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| 09:04.40 | Kalroth | http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/12/15/mexico.kidnapping/index.html?eref=rss_topstories heh |
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| 09:33.52 | Maldivia | ~wowstatus |
| 09:34.20 | Maldivia | ... or something like that |
| 09:35.16 | Maldivia | ~wowalert |
| 09:35.17 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 09:44.35 | WobWork | oo |
| 09:44.36 | WobWork | http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2008/12/yearinphotos_slideshow200812?slide=20#globalNav |
| 09:44.41 | WobWork | is a very nice picture of Summer Glau |
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| 09:58.28 | Rairom | hi |
| 09:58.32 | Rairom | anyone there ? |
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| 10:33.33 | iewnait | anyone know wat does the $ sign before a variable do? |
| 10:35.12 | Arrowmaster | in lua? nothing |
| 10:36.01 | Rairom | in php its to specify there is a variable ^^ |
| 10:42.29 | |pez| | it's like battle of the gnomes in AV today 0.o |
| 10:42.30 | Shiibot | New WoW-EU Server Alert: This Wednesday there will be a scheduled maintenance. Please note that all European realms will be offline from 03:00 until 11:00, Paris time (CET).. . Thank you for your patience and understanding.. . . 10/12 FREE MIGRATION |
| 10:42.30 | Shiibot | The following free migration is scheduled to last until end of Tuesday December 16.. . Source realms: Burning Legion, Drak'thul, Sylvanas. Destination realms: Boulderfist, Mazrigos, Vek'nilash. |
| 10:42.30 | Shiibot | PLEASE NOTE that the migration may be closed at any time should a destination realm's population rise too high.. For questions and additional information, please see the migration threads in the General forum.. |
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| 10:46.12 | iewnait | sry i got disconnected |
| 10:46.42 | iewnait | so does the $sign before a variable means anything in lua? |
| 10:47.12 | amro | no, it's a syntax error |
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| 11:01.30 | iewnait | does anyone know how to change a label text using a lua function.I tried using this:SetText("TExt"); butit dosen't seem to work |
| 11:02.00 | Maldivia | iewnait: are you sure this referes to the FontString in that context? |
| 11:03.59 | iewnait | I addedthe above code within a <script> tag in an <onLoad> event |
| 11:04.14 | iewnait | Iadded thetagjust below fonstring |
| 11:04.22 | iewnait | the script tag that is |
| 11:05.02 | Maldivia | iewnait: then this doesn't refer to the fontstring - if you've given the fontstring a name, you should be able to do name:SetText("...") |
| 11:05.38 | iewnait | ty, i will try that, server is down now.. |
| 11:05.49 | Maldivia | think PTR is up though |
| 11:09.04 | WobWork | iewnait: the $parent -does- mean something in the xml though |
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| 11:18.27 | cladhaire | Maldivia: self:SetText() should also work.. |
| 11:18.35 | cladhaire | you dont need to reference it by name in the context of an OnLoad |
| 11:28.19 | Maldivia | cladhaire: a fontstring, where the script block is outside? |
| 11:28.45 | cladhaire | ah, i thought he was referring to a button label my mistake :P |
| 11:29.00 | Maldivia | well, I'm not entirely sure myself, but I read it as a fontstring :9 |
| 11:29.22 | Maldivia | but I figuerd it was a fontstring, since this:SetText didn't work |
| 11:50.21 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/12/15/funny-pictures-ctrl-alt-grr/ |
| 11:52.57 | Cidan | oh WoW |
| 11:53.00 | Cidan | why must you be down |
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| 12:49.08 | WobWork | lol at Nefarian's Death Knight call |
| 12:49.19 | WobWork | Apparently his class call for them is "Death Knights, get over here!" followed by him death gripping them all to right in front of him. |
| 12:49.42 | cbreak | sounds like a modified rogue call |
| 12:51.08 | WobWork | The "Get over here!" is classy though =) |
| 12:51.27 | cladhaire | lol :P |
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| 13:07.38 | WobWork | zomg http://www.squishable.com/pc/giant_moose_50/Squishable_Understudies/Giant+Chocolate+Moose+Understudy |
| 13:07.44 | WobWork | Giant Squishable Moose. |
| 13:08.03 | WobWork | I want to buy a squishable for my soon to be niece... |
| 13:08.09 | WobWork | but it says ages 3+ =( |
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| 13:32.56 | cbreak | http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=3022 |
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| 13:49.18 | WobWork | sadly enough fukung.net has taken over my life =( |
| 13:49.19 | WobWork | http://www.fukung.net/v/9772/f241a791f6b03efae7b7c5569b079df5.jpg |
| 13:57.04 | Fisker- | What, it has tiers? |
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| 14:02.53 | Lunessa | station!!! |
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| 14:03.25 | Lunessa | Morning Peppy-dear. |
| 14:03.39 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Lunessa. You seem up earlier than normal. They screwing with your schedule again? |
| 14:04.09 | Lunessa | When the office is closed at night between semesters, I work the day shift. |
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| 14:04.39 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, I didn't realize it was already between semesters for you. I have a few more days before the brats are off campus and I can get some work done. |
| 14:05.28 | Lunessa | Final grades are due today. And it's all holiday parties and equipment upgrades. |
| 14:07.30 | Lopeppeppy | Fun times. Finals started yesterday, 20th is the last day here. |
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| 14:27.42 | Lunessa | maintenance days are the suck for forums. |
| 14:28.31 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. When the game is down, the forums are down. *sigh* |
| 14:31.56 | mikma | Polearms: Now trainable by Druids. |
| 14:32.20 | Lopeppeppy | .... when do paladins get staves? |
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| 14:36.40 | Arrowmaster | when do warlocks get maces |
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| 14:37.38 | Lopeppeppy | I would be happy to mace every warlock in the world! :P |
| 14:37.39 | Lunessa | I want swords for shaman |
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| 14:42.13 | Lunessa | I'm seriously considering trying out Strand of the Ancients for giggles. |
| 14:42.26 | mikma | for the lulz |
| 14:42.32 | Lopeppeppy | What is this Strand thing? |
| 14:47.46 | mikma | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info11886-MailMeter.html |
| 14:48.55 | Lopeppeppy | That is not a Strand thing! |
| 14:50.36 | Lunessa | It's a new battleground. |
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| 14:51.24 | Lopeppeppy | Eeew. |
| 14:51.28 | Lopeppeppy | Not for the Peppy. |
| 14:52.25 | cladhaire | If it helps: |
| 14:52.25 | cladhaire | - I was in an unknown place, and run around a lot on a small area, couldn't find my way. Lots of sharp turns and short runs. |
| 14:52.28 | cladhaire | - I was going deeper and underground, when arrow disappeared; and while I understood it is not "work as designed", I walked back to surface - but obvously that was not the reason. |
| 14:52.31 | cladhaire | O.o |
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| 14:54.40 | Lunessa | English is not even their third language? |
| 14:54.49 | Arrowmaster | http://www.fukung.net/v/10720/fukung2.jpg |
| 14:54.51 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 14:55.20 | Arrowmaster | i cant stop laughing |
| 14:55.58 | krka | i dont get it |
| 14:56.20 | Arrowmaster | look at the tags |
| 14:56.35 | Arrowmaster | both in the image and for the image |
| 14:57.32 | cladhaire | lol |
| 14:57.58 | mikma | nsf america http://media.fukung.net/images/4984/1304.jpg |
| 14:58.15 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, puppies to make into chow mein. |
| 15:04.13 | Lunessa | withaclub |
| 15:05.46 | Lunessa | haha... my cached armory page is amusing since the tooltips don't load. |
| 15:09.45 | Arrowmaster | http://www.fukung.net/v/10487/9ffafbf7c7fa8e3712e11980862ca64d.jpg |
| 15:10.21 | Arrowmaster | http://www.fukung.net/v/5981/plane.jpg |
| 15:10.24 | Arrowmaster | haha wtf |
| 15:11.06 | mikma | http://www.fukung.net/v/254/BowlingBalls.jpg |
| 15:11.53 | mikma | http://www.fukung.net/v/119/how-to-catch-script-kiddies.gif <- hahahahahaha |
| 15:12.17 | Arrowmaster | so yes i had to goto google maps and type in those coords |
| 15:12.27 | Arrowmaster | its a different picture but its still there |
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| 15:14.05 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: the script kiddies one is a blast. |
| 15:15.09 | MattBnr | where is a good place to start learning lua |
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| 15:15.27 | Arrowmaster | ~wowprogramming |
| 15:15.28 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
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| 15:22.35 | Lunessa | http://www.wired.com/gaming/virtualworlds/commentary/games/2008/12/gamesfrontiers_1215 - interesting article, even if politically loaded. |
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| 15:30.43 | Nom- | *ponder* |
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| 15:36.37 | toggster | Writing UI addons seems quite complicated, since you don't get any really good feedback. (No compiler, have to log on and try things ingame to try certain events I guess). Has anyone come up with a good way around this, or something that atleast lessens it? I feel so lost when stuff doesn't work but I can't really see why :/ |
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| 15:37.12 | ZorbaTHut | toggster, a good error catcher (swatter or bugsack) is invaluable |
| 15:37.25 | Nom- | writing addons is easy.. try implementing complex business processes that have to be rock solid, or you spend weeks fixing up problems |
| 15:37.31 | ZorbaTHut | you can run "/script ReloadUI()" to reload your files, as long as you didn't modify the .toc |
| 15:37.38 | toggster | swatter or bugsack, I'll write that down. |
| 15:37.56 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: Or add files. |
| 15:38.04 | ZorbaTHut | also, if you're having trouble getting the file to even parse, any local lua environment can parse the file - it won't run usefully if it does anything WoW API-related, but if you have a bunch of missing }'s or something, that can be much faster than ReloadUI() |
| 15:38.19 | toggster | Nom- I can see your point, however I'm not quite there yet to fully comprehend the difference ;) |
| 15:38.26 | ZorbaTHut | lunessa, does it not catch them if you add them in .xml or something? |
| 15:38.46 | ZorbaTHut | (I haven't actually tried, I do everything in .lua files) |
| 15:38.51 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: No. If the files are not present at game-load-time, no workee. |
| 15:38.54 | toggster | My main gripe is probably something like: I want to do something when a...blue item drops f.ex. |
| 15:39.05 | ZorbaTHut | fun. wonder why they do that. |
| 15:39.09 | toggster | I can't really simulate that to test if it actually works until something blue drops no? |
| 15:39.13 | ZorbaTHut | toggster, rig it so it does something when a white item drops |
| 15:39.21 | Nom- | Coding Lua is fun for me :) |
| 15:39.22 | ZorbaTHut | then once you've gotten that debugged, just change the value from "white" to "blue" ;) |
| 15:39.31 | Nom- | I write code for a living |
| 15:39.36 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: To prevent real-time data access/insertions. |
| 15:39.53 | Nom- | Writing 30 lines of Lua is fun compared to 1000+ lines of Perl or Java |
| 15:39.59 | toggster | Yeah, but still a major pain. ;) Compared to what I'm used to, having full control and just try it. |
| 15:40.01 | ZorbaTHut | lunessa, why not just create an empty file and fill it later, then? it doesn't track the filesize :P |
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| 15:40.27 | toggster | I'll look up those error catchers :) Very helpful channel this :) |
| 15:40.52 | ZorbaTHut | and yeah, I'd much prefer a C++-style typechecker. But oh well. :) |
| 15:40.53 | Lunessa | It's only one part of their plan. But basically if you want to add files to your AddOn, you need to restart the game client, not just reload the UI. |
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| 15:41.12 | ZorbaTHut | lunessa, yeah, reasonable. |
| 15:42.15 | Lunessa | c++ type-checking would require lua to be a typed language, and it's not. :P |
| 15:42.41 | Nom- | plz be doing python now kthxbai |
| 15:43.13 | Nom- | Eve Online (i think) is all in python |
| 15:43.18 | Nom- | addons at least |
| 15:43.42 | ZorbaTHut | technically you could rig something up to add it to lua with a static typechecker, but that'd be a mess |
| 15:44.06 | ZorbaTHut | and you'd either have to significantly restrict the language, or just give up in some cases |
| 15:44.15 | ZorbaTHut | anyway, bed. 'nite all |
| 15:44.25 | Lunessa | Messy. Notepad++ with the language set to lua works. |
| 15:45.06 | Nom- | vi |
| 15:45.10 | Nom- | ftw |
| 15:46.40 | Nom- | I'm trying to think how to translate a process which I know very well into BPEL |
| 15:46.48 | Nom- | So it's a shedload easier to change |
| 15:46.54 | Nom- | That's harder than it sounds, I'm finding |
| 15:49.34 | cbreak | what's bpel? |
| 15:49.56 | Nom- | business process execution language |
| 15:50.08 | cbreak | sounds boring |
| 15:50.23 | Nom- | It's a really nifty technology .... *IF* you can get your head around it |
| 15:50.58 | Nom- | But in order for it to work, you basically have to convert your code to be pretty much event driven |
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| 15:51.36 | Nom- | The BPEL fires off the events in your code through web services and other means |
| 15:51.37 | cbreak | that doesn't sound like a hurdle |
| 15:51.44 | cbreak | all WoW addons are event driven |
| 15:52.03 | Nom- | No, but when you have an existing process implemented in procedural code, and you want to convert to BPEL, it's a big move |
| 15:52.21 | Nom- | (goes back to work) |
| 15:53.29 | Lopeppeppy | I keep reading EPL. |
| 15:54.04 | Xiro | damn, I was hoping to login this morning o gt my last 10 points of mining... forgot it was tue :/ |
| 15:54.30 | Lopeppeppy | Too-sing-day! |
| 15:55.44 | Xiro | went from 0 - 440 mining in about 12 hours... was so tired I had to stop at the last 10 points |
| 15:56.01 | Xiro | err 16 hours, not 12 |
| 15:57.40 | cladhair_ | lots of money tho :P |
| 15:57.52 | Xiro | that's what I'm hoping :D |
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| 15:58.21 | Xiro | I did a straight run to prove to my bro in law, that it could be done.. he always drops his profesions half way saying how impossible they are to max out :P |
| 15:58.47 | cladhaire | heh |
| 15:59.40 | Xiro | well, that and the fact I had absolutely nothing else to do with my time... since it's -14 degrees outside |
| 16:00.07 | cbreak | stupid christmas achievements completed? |
| 16:00.22 | Xiro | nope, I havent even looked at them |
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| 16:01.59 | Lunessa | http://www.pcworld.com/article/155551/internet_explorer_is_unsafe_still.html |
| 16:02.18 | cbreak | surprise surprise |
| 16:02.19 | Xiro | I don't even have to click the link to lol :P |
| 16:02.51 | Lopeppeppy | I hates the IE. |
| 16:02.54 | Lunessa | This details a pretty critical flaw. |
| 16:03.02 | Nom- | lol |
| 16:03.08 | Nom- | I use Linux + Firefox |
| 16:03.18 | Xiro | <3 my octo core mac pro :) |
| 16:03.24 | Nom- | Therefore these humerous Internet Explorer exploits do not concern me. |
| 16:03.33 | cbreak | can't be better than my octo core mac pro... :) |
| 16:03.56 | Nom- | <--- quad core athlon |
| 16:04.45 | Nom- | 8 cores is overkill for any kind of desktop |
| 16:04.56 | Xiro | absolutely incorrect |
| 16:05.12 | cbreak | it's sometimes useful to compile stuff |
| 16:05.14 | Nom- | I run 2 VM's on here on a regular day, and have a shedload of development work over, and I'm not CPU starved |
| 16:05.16 | cbreak | or encode movies |
| 16:05.38 | cbreak | my biggest bottleneck is memory though |
| 16:05.46 | Nom- | meh... maybe i'd be thankful for it if I ever tried to go through the agony of putting gentoo o |
| 16:05.49 | Nom- | *on |
| 16:05.53 | Xiro | I run compilers, virtual machines, sometimes up to three wow windows, chat, terminal, itunes |
| 16:06.12 | Nom- | chat.. meh... terminal... meh |
| 16:06.26 | cbreak | os x terminal has nice alpha blending effects |
| 16:06.31 | Nom- | if your terminal is using more than 2% of one core, then there's a problem |
| 16:06.36 | cbreak | (which are done in the GPU, but still...) |
| 16:06.51 | Xiro | Nom-: funny how you decided to single out the smallest resources to meh about |
| 16:06.51 | Nom- | so does linux |
| 16:07.07 | Nom- | even itunes i meh |
| 16:07.12 | cbreak | x264 eats cpu time like candies |
| 16:07.58 | Nom- | So that leaves VM's and WoW .... that could justify if you were silly enough to try and run at the same time |
| 16:08.05 | Xiro | Nom-: and for a second, let's agree that it's overkill... I'm good for not having to upgrade for at least 5 years :P |
| 16:08.14 | Nom- | good luck lasting 5 years :P |
| 16:08.27 | Xiro | Nom-: I run them all at the same time... sometimes I even run wow in a vm |
| 16:08.32 | Nom- | Even if I bought a Mac Pro, which I seriously considered for a while, I wouldn't expect it to last me more than 2 years |
| 16:08.37 | cbreak | I had my power mac g5 500 MHz for five years :/ |
| 16:09.17 | Nom- | Yeah, see, I buy mid to high end gear, and I'm pretty much looking to upgrade 6 to 12 months later |
| 16:09.45 | Nom- | But then, besides WoW I also play a lot of other recent games which are pretty demanding on GPU... that's usually the first to need attention |
| 16:11.08 | Xiro | the gaming market has lost a lot of appeal in the past year, even two |
| 16:11.21 | Xiro | all the games are exactly alike.. nobody tries all that hard anymore |
| 16:11.44 | Nom- | Every now and then something sneaks up and surprises you |
| 16:11.57 | Nom- | Crysis was one of those for me |
| 16:12.00 | cbreak | like diablo 3? :) |
| 16:12.12 | Nom- | Diablo 3... I reserve my opinion on that one |
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| 16:12.29 | cbreak | can't be picky. mac native games aren't that common :) |
| 16:12.50 | Nom- | Hence why I use Linux + Wine and have Dual Boot XP on standby if I need it |
| 16:12.55 | Xiro | I never played any of the diablo games... When those were out I was playing the Final Fantasy games... which, have also fallen short over time |
| 16:12.55 | Corr-work | mac native game? why, that's like asking a horse to be in a sitcom |
| 16:13.19 | Xiro | Cider is making mac gaming more viable |
| 16:13.20 | Nom- | I could get VMware Workstation and play 3d games in a VM if I wanted to, I guess |
| 16:13.22 | cbreak | has happened corr, has happened. I bet. |
| 16:13.26 | Lunessa | A horse is a horse of course, of course... |
| 16:13.38 | Corr-work | cbreak: yes, i was being intentionally ironic there. Mr Ed. |
| 16:13.50 | Lunessa | Wilburrrrrr! |
| 16:14.01 | Corr-work | :D |
| 16:14.02 | Xiro | a number of games are being released for the mac platform using Cider.. of course, it's just the windows games in a wrapper, but still |
| 16:14.05 | Xiro | if it run, it runs |
| 16:14.24 | cbreak | Nom-, vm and games don't work that well. VMWare fusion tries, but even old games hardly work |
| 16:14.46 | Nom- | Well, VMware Workstation on Linux supposedly has full DX 9 support |
| 16:14.48 | Xiro | cbreak: wow runs in vmware fusion running windows xp 64 :) |
| 16:14.54 | Nom- | I can't say I've ever tried it though |
| 16:15.02 | Xiro | Nom-: so does vmware fusion, and parallels |
| 16:15.06 | cbreak | yeah, but wow runs natively too :) |
| 16:15.24 | Nom- | WoW runs jus fine under wine though, so do most games I've tried so far |
| 16:15.43 | Xiro | cbreak: yeah, unfortunately I have to test the thottbot patcher in windows :/ |
| 16:15.48 | cbreak | I considered getting boot camp running, but then I hate rebooting. |
| 16:16.05 | cbreak | patcher? sounds illegal :) |
| 16:16.19 | Nom- | meh bootcamp is just a fancy name for dual booting... something Linux users have been doing for years :P |
| 16:16.22 | Xiro | http://thottbot.com/contribute |
| 16:16.28 | cbreak | I know nom |
| 16:16.36 | Xiro | it patches the thottbot addon |
| 16:16.46 | cbreak | but it's a bit different than normal dual booting, since it also emulates the bios |
| 16:17.00 | Nom- | ... there's no emulation required |
| 16:17.13 | cbreak | my mac has no bios. |
| 16:17.15 | Nom- | The Intel Mac's are stock standard wintel machines with EFI |
| 16:17.32 | Corr-work | so, vmware got the 3d emulation going? |
| 16:17.33 | cbreak | and as I have heard, windows requires it |
| 16:17.34 | Nom- | It's the EFI which hides the BIOS from you |
| 16:17.35 | Xiro | Nom-: it's more than dual booting, because while you get to dual boot on a bios.. we have to deal with a closed EFI boot loader |
| 16:17.41 | cbreak | Corr-work: sort of. |
| 16:18.21 | Xiro | but, imo EFI > Bios |
| 16:18.34 | Corr-work | well, i wouldn't be surprised if it's still a work in progress... |
| 16:18.48 | cbreak | I bet. |
| 16:18.52 | Nom- | If I hadn't gone AMD this time around, I'd buy an EFI-x and install MacOS ^_^ |
| 16:18.58 | cbreak | Parallels isn't standing still either I heard. |
| 16:18.59 | Nom- | Triple boot ftw ? |
| 16:19.05 | Xiro | 3d emulation is shotty... in both vmware and paralles.. you have to give the VM tons of memory, and do a sacrificial ritual |
| 16:19.23 | Nom- | Xiro: That's because most games do require a lot of memory |
| 16:19.29 | Xiro | I beleive it requires a chicken with one red eye and one blue eye |
| 16:19.32 | Nom- | Have you seen the memory footprint of WoW lately ? |
| 16:19.44 | Xiro | Nom-: so, I mean a ridiculous amounts of memory |
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| 16:20.00 | Xiro | I had to give my vm 6GB of ram just to run wow |
| 16:20.01 | cladhaire | macosx works so well on my laptop |
| 16:20.06 | cladhaire | except for my wireless |
| 16:20.12 | cladhaire | I already changed cards once |
| 16:20.20 | cladhaire | I'm considering doing it again so I can just run Leopard |
| 16:20.41 | Nom- | VmSize: 3795180 kB |
| 16:20.45 | Nom- | That's just the loading screen |
| 16:21.23 | Xiro | you apparently need to re-asses that vm... |
| 16:21.31 | Nom- | That's not a VM |
| 16:21.34 | Nom- | That's firing up WoW under Wine |
| 16:21.59 | cbreak | the virtual memory size isn't that relevant |
| 16:22.00 | Nom- | Having said that, i'm pretty sure WoW will just gobble up all avaialble memory |
| 16:22.09 | Xiro | no way.. ~3GB, most people on old hardware wouldn't be able to run it |
| 16:22.41 | cbreak | at least on os x, applications get huge amounts of virtual memory, for all the system libraries and many other things |
| 16:22.51 | cladhaire | k k |
| 16:22.55 | Corr-work | it doesn't mean the same thing as on windows, then? |
| 16:23.08 | cbreak | I have no idea what it means on windows |
| 16:23.08 | Nom- | Keep in mind, Xiro, that Windows and Mac will happily swap stuff to disk |
| 16:23.17 | Xiro | swap is not the same thing |
| 16:23.27 | Corr-work | it's... somewhat hard to understand what it means on windows :| |
| 16:23.42 | Corr-work | i don't think i've ever truly understood what "mem usage" and "vm size" mean exactly on xp |
| 16:24.06 | Corr-work | i -think- "vm size" is the closest thing to the amount of memory the process has for itself |
| 16:24.11 | Nom- | vm size is memory allocated to process but not necessarily used |
| 16:24.21 | Corr-work | what do you mean, "used"? |
| 16:24.28 | cbreak | not memory, address space |
| 16:24.36 | Nom- | as in a process can say i want 10GB of memory, but not actually use it |
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| 16:24.58 | Nom- | the memory will show up in vm size, but the memory which isn't used from that pool is still available to other applications |
| 16:25.19 | Corr-work | how can you allocate memory (or "address space"?) without "using" it? |
| 16:25.21 | cbreak | it could be actual memory, but it could also be swapped to disk, not existant (and trapping), or something else |
| 16:25.43 | Nom- | Because modern memory management doesn't actually really allocate the memory until you do a read/write |
| 16:25.52 | cbreak | you could map a big file into memory. you have the address space, but it's not actually in RAM, it's on the HD |
| 16:26.03 | Corr-work | hm, hmm. |
| 16:26.19 | cbreak | or you could start a program |
| 16:26.25 | cbreak | which links to lots of libraries |
| 16:26.37 | cbreak | they aren't actually read from disk, because other apps already asked for them |
| 16:26.56 | cbreak | so you just share the same memory, but at potentially different addresses in your address space |
| 16:27.08 | Nom- | that's shared memory, and (i believe) doesn't exist on Windoze |
| 16:27.12 | Corr-work | i see |
| 16:27.18 | Nom- | Not in the way you're thinking of anyway |
| 16:27.26 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 16:27.42 | cbreak | anyway, my computer has a pitiful amount of 2GB ram |
| 16:27.51 | Corr-work | "In some operating systems, like Windows, shared memory is an special case of file mapping, where the file mapping object accesses memory backed by the system paging file. However, in Windows, the lifetime of this memory ends when the last process connected to the shared memory object closes connection or the application exits, so there is no data persistence." |
| 16:27.59 | cbreak | and I think over 11gb of VM allocated :) |
| 16:28.04 | Corr-work | "If an application creates shared memory, fills it with data and exits, the data is lost. This lifetime is known as process lifetime" |
| 16:28.57 | cbreak | explicit shared memory is different from just implicitly shared memory due to CoW or similar I think |
| 16:29.17 | Lopeppeppy | Explicit? *wolf whistle* |
| 16:29.44 | Nom- | VmRSS: 199812 kB |
| 16:29.48 | Nom- | That's what I should have looked at |
| 16:29.51 | Corr-work | "Mem Usage - is the working set size. It is the amount of physical memory which is directly (currently) allocated to the process. It can be accessed without causing a page fault. This includes pages shared with other processes." |
| 16:29.53 | cbreak | shm_open and the like :) |
| 16:29.56 | Corr-work | "VM Size - is the total private virtual memory allocated to the process. This is the number you see when you use the Process Private Bytes counter in Performance Monitor. " |
| 16:29.57 | Nom- | So that's WoW on the loading screen - 200MB footprint |
| 16:30.25 | Corr-work | now, i don't remember just what the "private" part implies |
| 16:30.38 | cbreak | my firefox currently uses 170mb of real memory, 684mb of vm :) |
| 16:31.13 | Corr-work | i THINK this means that "vm size" is the amount of total memory it has reserved that is not shared, but it can be paged out |
| 16:31.30 | Nom- | VmRSS: 268004 kB here on my firefox :) |
| 16:31.46 | Nom- | VmSize: 908544 kB |
| 16:31.53 | cbreak | mine got more reasonable once I closed a few dozen tabs |
| 16:31.55 | Corr-work | so i guess the reason the answer to the question "how much memory is this process using?" is complex because the question is complex itself |
| 16:32.11 | Corr-work | * is because |
| 16:32.13 | cbreak | yes. or at least incomplete |
| 16:32.31 | cbreak | in WoW it's even harder |
| 16:32.42 | Nom- | Corr-work: There's a simple answer, and a more complex answer :) |
| 16:32.46 | Nom- | Corr-work: In Linux at least |
| 16:32.47 | cbreak | do you only count the main memory? |
| 16:32.56 | cbreak | or do you also count the buffers in the GPU? |
| 16:33.05 | cbreak | texture memory? |
| 16:33.19 | cbreak | mapped files and libraries? |
| 16:33.37 | cbreak | in Wine, do you count the whole windows api also? |
| 16:33.49 | Nom- | In Linux (and probably Mac), VmRSS (aka RSZ) is "In a virtual memory(1) system, a process resident set is that part of a process address space which is currently in main memory." |
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| 16:34.10 | cbreak | yes |
| 16:34.14 | cbreak | it's called RSIZE here. |
| 16:35.25 | Lunessa | I want a hippopotamus for christmas. Only a hippopotamus will do. |
| 16:36.57 | Lopeppeppy | I want a pwny. |
| 16:36.59 | Nom- | Most modern operating systems have a Virtual Memory (VM) system that gives each process its own Virtual Address Space. Only a part of the virtual memory required by a process is paged into physical memory - the part that is required now. This is called the Resident Set. |
| 16:37.10 | Nom- | So there ya go :) |
| 16:37.50 | cbreak | it's more complicated :) |
| 16:38.32 | cbreak | part of the resident set can be shared, locked or maybe mapped (not sure about that) |
| 16:38.56 | Nom- | Yes, that's the complex answer I was referring to earlier :P |
| 16:39.02 | cbreak | mapped for communication with devices, in drivers. maybe not relevant in apps |
| 16:39.47 | cbreak | pages can be dirty or clean. dirty pages contain data you want to keep |
| 16:40.05 | cbreak | clean pages contain data you could look up again, it can be thrown away when needed |
| 16:40.50 | Nom- | The simplest answer though is RSIZE is the one you want |
| 16:40.57 | Nom- | That includes all libraries required to run the application etc |
| 16:41.53 | cbreak | hmm... likely |
| 16:41.57 | cbreak | not totally sure about that :) |
| 16:42.07 | Corr-work | damn these complex answers |
| 16:42.14 | Nom- | Yeah, it does... RSIZE includes shared memory |
| 16:42.24 | cbreak | yes, but libraries could be paged out to disk too |
| 16:42.33 | cbreak | so it would contain the active libraries |
| 16:43.23 | Nom- | Yeah, but if you just want to answer the question, "What is hogging all the memory", RSIZE |
| 16:43.30 | Nom- | Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be :P |
| 16:43.57 | cbreak | the main concern with memory in the old days (mac os 9) was that applications couldn't run |
| 16:44.01 | cbreak | if you had too little |
| 16:44.11 | cbreak | and they crashed if they wanted more than they had allocated at start time |
| 16:44.19 | cbreak | nowadays there's paging (yay!) |
| 16:44.34 | cbreak | so the thing that annoys me most is... paging... :) |
| 16:44.42 | Nom- | hah... i remember that... used to have a mac back then |
| 16:44.57 | Nom- | Then 9.5 came along (i think) and they kind of did a hacky solution which meant that wasn't required |
| 16:45.08 | Nom- | And it was a niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiightmare for developers |
| 16:45.15 | cbreak | you used 9.5? |
| 16:45.27 | Nom- | For a very short time |
| 16:45.33 | cbreak | I switched to OS X dev releases from 9.1 |
| 16:45.37 | cbreak | never looked back :) |
| 16:45.51 | Nom- | Well at the time I was in my transition away from Mac phase |
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| 16:48.20 | Nom- | crap it's nearly 2am |
| 16:48.24 | Nom- | night all ... must sleep |
| 16:49.15 | cbreak | night |
| 16:49.17 | Lopeppeppy | Get to bed. |
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| 17:11.28 | Otixa | Uhh... Guise |
| 17:11.37 | Xiro | heh, rewriting the thottbot addon is going to be more time consuming than I thought |
| 17:11.42 | Otixa | I'm making my addon join a channel once ADDON_LOADED is fired |
| 17:11.54 | Otixa | But things get bugged up to hell |
| 17:12.03 | Otixa | It joins the channel, but I'm not actually in it |
| 17:12.15 | Otixa | I can see everyone who's on it EXCEPT me |
| 17:12.21 | Otixa | And I can't read from the channel |
| 17:12.36 | Otixa | And when I do GetChannelName(channel), I get 0 nil 0 |
| 17:12.39 | Otixa | Any ideas? :/ |
| 17:13.00 | Lopeppeppy | Post your code in a pastey for people to see? |
| 17:13.06 | Xiro | anyone here actually run the thottbot addon? |
| 17:14.09 | Otixa | http://wgi.pastebin.com/d3b8fe972 |
| 17:14.54 | nevcairiel | I think ADDON_LOADED is too early to actually join channels |
| 17:14.58 | nevcairiel | try a different event |
| 17:15.12 | nevcairiel | PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD or PLAYER_LOGIN, possibly |
| 17:15.18 | Otixa | Hmm... |
| 17:15.22 | Otixa | Gonna try that now |
| 17:15.23 | Otixa | Thanks :> |
| 17:16.59 | Otixa | It worked! :D |
| 17:17.02 | Otixa | Thanks a lot! |
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| 17:22.20 | Patrick_P | hi all |
| 17:22.27 | Otixa | o/ |
| 17:23.00 | Olorin | greetings |
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| 17:27.26 | Patrick_P | I'm really scared by how we must interface LUA with xml yet... It seems really complex... is it? |
| 17:27.30 | krka | Patrick_P: You shouldn't capitalize Lua like that. :-D |
| 17:27.38 | Patrick_P | lawl |
| 17:28.06 | Olorin | can someone kindly tell me how to convert this piece of basic code to a function not defined within the setscript command please , http://www.pastey.net/104485 |
| 17:28.48 | toggster | is there an event for <player receives loot> ? chat_msg_loot seems to be a more general one. is there any with separate arguments for who looted it, what item it was etc? |
| 17:28.55 | Olorin | deja vu, i got told off for that too :p |
| 17:30.41 | Patrick_P | hrm LUA |
| 17:30.44 | Otixa | Olorin, create the function, and then in the setscript put function() yourfunction() end? |
| 17:31.21 | Patrick_P | testing if krka was a bot:P |
| 17:31.24 | Tem|work | Patrick_P: Lua is not an acronym and should not be written in all Caps. |
| 17:31.37 | Tem|work | krka is a bot |
| 17:31.43 | Tem|work | but he has a smart throttler |
| 17:31.48 | Patrick_P | k lol |
| 17:32.04 | Olorin | have done that but i cant work out how the elap element works, in that example it passes some value of time since the function was last called but I'm not sure how its doing that, beisides using GetTime() |
| 17:32.07 | Patrick_P | so what is it if it isn't an accronym? |
| 17:32.20 | pastamancer | Tem is also a bot, designed to answer questions about the krka bot. |
| 17:32.24 | Tem|work | anyway, don't put Lua in all caps. It makes me want to reach through the internet and punch you. |
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| 17:32.39 | pastamancer | It's Portugese for 'moon'. |
| 17:33.17 | Shirik | what is "snow"? |
| 17:33.29 | Tem|work | Shirik: that stuff that fell on my apartment last week |
| 17:33.37 | Tem|work | This week, however, I had to run my AC... |
| 17:35.22 | Olorin | Toggster: CHAT_MSG_LOOT should do it, is the sender argument not the player looting the item? |
| 17:37.58 | pastamancer | I just use: local who, item = text:match("^(%S+) receives? loot: (|c%x+|H(.+)|h%[.+%]|h|r)") |
| 17:38.29 | Shirik | I do something similar |
| 17:38.32 | Shirik | I capture (receives?) too |
| 17:38.45 | Shirik | Because that's the only true way you can know if it's the player or not |
| 17:38.54 | pastamancer | I'm hoping wow won't let you name a player 'You' but I wouldn't be surprised |
| 17:39.01 | Shirik | I didn't make that assumption, it's possible though |
| 17:39.09 | Shirik | it makes sense that they would block it |
| 17:39.41 | pastamancer | I wanted to two-box 'Strunk' and 'White' but I couldn't make a character named White :( |
| 17:39.52 | Shirik | heh |
| 17:40.02 | Shirik | I know a couple that played, two rogues |
| 17:40.05 | Shirik | "Lucky" and "Charm" |
| 17:40.11 | Shirik | it was cute :) |
| 17:40.13 | pastamancer | haha |
| 17:40.28 | pastamancer | I still want to make a guild called 'Elements of Style' |
| 17:41.03 | Lopeppeppy | SNOW....! |
| 17:41.07 | pastamancer | and then spend all day correcting peoples grammar in trade chat :) |
| 17:42.24 | Olorin | Correcting the grammar? On server I play your lucky if its even in pigeon english |
| 17:43.12 | pastamancer | I only speak squirrel english. I find it more useful at the park. ;p |
| 17:43.32 | PProvost | Does anyone know if the 3.0.4 patch hit today? |
| 17:43.43 | pastamancer | Amazingly, the biggest non-english population on my server is quebecois and they've only got one guild |
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| 17:44.23 | Olorin | Are their any current wow environment emulators worth using to test code? |
| 17:44.25 | toggster | Olorin I have not idea about that, really new to this stuff. There is a way to see who sends the event? I thought all events came from the same place |
| 17:44.31 | toggster | that are not self made |
| 17:44.43 | toggster | I guess I'll just have to parse that string |
| 17:45.08 | Olorin | Pretty sure you will too |
| 17:45.14 | cladhaire | Olorin: there is wowbench, but its not very complete and still being developed. |
| 17:45.41 | Tem|work | has wowbench been updated in the last year? |
| 17:45.45 | cladhaire | yes |
| 17:45.47 | cladhaire | its actively being worked on |
| 17:45.52 | Tem|work | really? |
| 17:45.54 | Tem|work | wow |
| 17:45.57 | cladhaire | yes, look at sourceforge |
| 17:46.01 | Tem|work | I thought it died a long time ago |
| 17:46.22 | Olorin | ok thanks, I'm plagued with always having used fast computers that compile quickly so ive gotten into bad habbits of recompiling code to check it rather than actually re-reading it :/ |
| 17:46.29 | cladhaire | it never died, it just did not get updated for 5.1 |
| 17:46.38 | cladhaire | and there was lots of deprecated code used *growl* |
| 17:47.13 | Shirik | I need to finish LuaSquared |
| 17:47.21 | cladhaire | You need to talk to me first, imo. |
| 17:47.22 | Shirik | if I can get that to work, will be fun times in wow |
| 17:47.24 | Shirik | yes I do |
| 17:47.34 | Tem|work | LuaSquared? |
| 17:47.44 | Shirik | Lua VM in Lua |
| 17:47.47 | Tem|work | would that be a lua interpreter built in lua? |
| 17:47.50 | Tem|work | :) |
| 17:48.38 | Tem|work | how are you planning to make that work, btw? |
| 17:49.08 | Tem|work | when I think of how I've done that kind of thing before and how that would port to Lua, I get ugly pictures in my head |
| 17:50.45 | Shirik | sec |
| 17:50.49 | Shirik | I need to write up an email first |
| 17:55.29 | mikma | here's a stupid question, to which i can't find an answer: how in the hell can i get the shadow vault dailies open? |
| 17:55.45 | Gnarfoz | do the quests :O |
| 17:56.43 | mikma | i have completed almost all quests in there |
| 17:56.46 | mikma | and still they are not open |
| 17:57.19 | Gnarfoz | uhh |
| 17:57.19 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 17:57.20 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 17:57.34 | Gnarfoz | can you use the flight point, yet? |
| 17:57.39 | mikma | ya |
| 17:57.52 | Gnarfoz | then they're already unlocked :O |
| 17:58.15 | Tem|work | mikma: they don't appear as dailies until you do them once |
| 17:58.37 | Tem|work | mikma: but if you're a DK, aren't eh EB rewards crap for us? |
| 17:58.44 | foxlit | @#$@#$!?! |
| 17:59.01 | foxlit | Sword is good, boots are good. |
| 17:59.33 | Tem|work | that sword is a hunter weapon |
| 17:59.40 | mikma | tem|work: i want the money from the dailies! :D |
| 17:59.41 | Tem|work | DKs should be after the mace from AC |
| 17:59.56 | Tem|work | the books are probably pretty good for lawldps, though |
| 18:00.00 | foxlit | That mace is a paladin weapon! |
| 18:00.04 | Tem|work | s/ok/ot/ |
| 18:00.07 | mikma | but, there aren't any quests open on the 3 mobs that give the dailies, and i have no idea why |
| 18:00.26 | foxlit | mikma: you must've missed a story quest |
| 18:00.43 | Tem|work | foxlit: maybe a paladin sword, I don't know. I do know that it's a bad DK sword |
| 18:00.50 | Tem|work | s/bad/__BAD__/ |
| 18:00.58 | foxlit | Meh, why |
| 18:01.05 | Tem|work | haste is a horrible stat |
| 18:01.13 | foxlit | It's far from the only stat on it. |
| 18:01.16 | mikma | there's only quests available on the dude that started the whole shadow vault -event |
| 18:01.18 | Tem|work | AP doesn't benefit as much as STR |
| 18:01.32 | mikma | quarry bombing and such, but Vile and others don't have any quests open :P |
| 18:01.39 | Tem|work | agi only gives us crit |
| 18:01.41 | foxlit | Difference is marginal. |
| 18:01.51 | Tem|work | there are better weapons on other reps |
| 18:02.00 | Tem|work | that's the main reason you should avoid it as a DK |
| 18:02.02 | foxlit | Perhaps, but that mace isn't it :) |
| 18:02.06 | Tem|work | because there are better weapons available |
| 18:02.09 | Tem|work | yes it is |
| 18:02.13 | Tem|work | the mace is far and away better |
| 18:03.01 | foxlit | Sta is insignificant; AP vs STR is somewhat balanced -- again, you don't care about parry while dealing damage. |
| 18:03.11 | Tem|work | equivilant AP if you don't count any of our many +str% talents |
| 18:03.15 | Tem|work | or BoK |
| 18:03.30 | Tem|work | armor pen isn't great, but it's significantly better than haste |
| 18:03.30 | foxlit | Which leaves you weighing 77 armor penetration versus crit. |
| 18:03.46 | Tem|work | I'm a tank, though, so I do care about stam |
| 18:03.52 | foxlit | See, there's the issue. |
| 18:03.57 | foxlit | It's not a _tanking_ weapon |
| 18:04.23 | Tem|work | I'll use the mace to tank until I get my sword from CoT |
| 18:04.36 | foxlit | CoS, surely. |
| 18:04.44 | foxlit | er |
| 18:04.46 | foxlit | HoS |
| 18:05.01 | Tem|work | the sword from regular CoS |
| 18:05.10 | Tem|work | then the Tuning Fork of justice |
| 18:05.13 | Tem|work | it's a progression |
| 18:05.17 | Tem|work | either way, I wouldn't be caught dead wearing that sword |
| 18:05.22 | Tem|work | it's not designed for DKs |
| 18:05.31 | Tem|work | and wearing it is a badge of "I don't know how to gear my clasS" |
| 18:06.40 | Tem|work | Oh, and the mace has a higher top end |
| 18:06.47 | Tem|work | which is marginally nice |
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| 18:08.26 | Tem|work | mikma: make sure you do the blackwatch and bone witch questlines |
| 18:08.29 | Tem|work | also Death's Rise |
| 18:09.12 | foxlit | How about the DK rescue quest? |
| 18:11.01 | foxlit | "Tem|work: agi only gives us crit" << now, where did you pull that from? |
| 18:11.21 | Tem|work | duh? |
| 18:11.29 | Tem|work | DKs do not get AP from agi |
| 18:11.31 | Tem|work | never have |
| 18:11.37 | Tem|work | only crit, dodge, armor |
| 18:11.47 | foxlit | That's better than "only crit" :) |
| 18:11.55 | Tem|work | meh |
| 18:11.56 | nevcairiel | just get the titansteel destroyer and be done, imho |
| 18:12.21 | Tem|work | I don't have 5k to drop on a weapon :( |
| 18:12.32 | nevcairiel | get mining :) |
| 18:12.36 | nevcairiel | thats what i did |
| 18:12.50 | Tem|work | I have mining! |
| 18:13.01 | Tem|work | I haven't seen a single titanium node yet -_- |
| 18:13.08 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 18:13.13 | foxlit | la-zy! :) |
| 18:13.20 | Tem|work | I'm not even 80 yet |
| 18:13.28 | nevcairiel | that complicates things |
| 18:13.39 | Tem|work | meh this will be my second DK at 80 |
| 18:13.39 | nevcairiel | i hit 80 just yesterday on my DK |
| 18:13.41 | Tem|work | I'm not in a rush |
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| 18:14.14 | nevcairiel | first being beta? |
| 18:14.19 | Tem|work | yeah |
| 18:14.37 | Tem|work | Also, sons of hodir annoy me |
| 18:14.41 | Tem|work | I need rep with them |
| 18:14.46 | Tem|work | but I can't stand their dailies |
| 18:14.49 | Shirik | daughters of hodir are cute though |
| 18:15.01 | ScytheBlade1 | . . . |
| 18:15.02 | Lopeppeppy | Awww, adorable. |
| 18:15.05 | nevcairiel | i stopped doing the damn dailys as i read the news about the relict of ulduar change |
| 18:15.07 | Tem|work | I'm contemplating leveling inscription just so I don't have to waste my time |
| 18:15.39 | Tem|work | I'd stop too |
| 18:15.47 | Tem|work | but I have a whopping 1 relic of ulduar |
| 18:15.53 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 18:16.06 | nevcairiel | I still have like 200 on my druid from leveling in storm peaks |
| 18:16.24 | nevcairiel | and some more on my DK who still has most of storm peaks to do |
| 18:16.33 | Tem|work | I haven't touched the zone |
| 18:16.43 | Tem|work | been playing in icecrown |
| 18:16.54 | Tem|work | I also want to get started on the oracles |
| 18:16.54 | nevcairiel | havent touched that at all, on either char |
| 18:17.07 | ScytheBlade1 | ~stab Shirik |
| 18:17.08 | purl | ACTION runs at Shirik with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 18:17.09 | Tem|work | because I need a protodrake mount |
| 18:17.16 | Tem|work | _need_ a protodrake |
| 18:17.39 | nevcairiel | I'm one achievement short of the red proto drake |
| 18:17.42 | Tem|work | I haven't really done that much in Icecrown. Just the stuff that gives me AC rep |
| 18:17.57 | Tem|work | and a little of the Shadow Vault stuff because I'm a creature of habit |
| 18:18.19 | Tem|work | also, there's a quest to go kill Malganis at Onslaught harbor |
| 18:18.29 | Shirik | :( ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:18.34 | Tem|work | and it rewards an awesome piece of tank gear |
| 18:18.44 | nevcairiel | mm which quest? |
| 18:18.48 | krka | Shirik: have you looked anything at lulu btw? |
| 18:18.51 | Tem|work | it just reqires you to do the shadow vault chain |
| 18:18.55 | Shirik | lulu? |
| 18:18.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Kirov (n=Kirov@c-24-16-58-126.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 18:18.57 | Tem|work | nevcairiel: I don't remember >< |
| 18:19.06 | krka | lua in lua |
| 18:19.15 | Tem|work | I think it's a neckpiece |
| 18:19.16 | *** join/#wowuidev KarlKFI (n=chatzill@adcom137.adcom.uci.edu) |
| 18:19.24 | krka | http://lulu.luaforge.net/ |
| 18:19.24 | ScytheBlade1 | buhahaha |
| 18:19.24 | ScytheBlade1 | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Insider-Secret.aspx |
| 18:19.29 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=12852 |
| 18:19.29 | ScytheBlade1 | DO NOT TAUNT HAPPY FUN BALL. |
| 18:19.33 | Shirik | no I haven't |
| 18:19.59 | Tem|work | nevcairiel: http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=12852 |
| 18:20.01 | Shirik | Unfortunately, it appears to be entirely backwards from what I need |
| 18:20.04 | foxlit | Stamina is sort of horrible on that. |
| 18:20.17 | Tem|work | oh lol foxlit beat me to it |
| 18:20.20 | nevcairiel | I'm using the drakuru-chain neck piece right now |
| 18:20.39 | Shirik | Don't need a reimplementation of table/string/math/etc., need a reimplementation of debug/pcall/xpcall/etc |
| 18:20.39 | Tem|work | that's what I have too |
| 18:20.39 | foxlit | The badge neck is the only decent upgrade from badges :/ |
| 18:21.01 | nevcairiel | foxlit speaks in recursive riddles |
| 18:21.02 | Tem|work | I didn't do the drakuru chain in beta so I haven't compared the two yet |
| 18:21.15 | krka | Shirik: i see, just thought i'd share it anyway |
| 18:21.16 | Tem|work | though I suppose I should since it's not nearly as awesome as I remember... |
| 18:21.17 | foxlit | Hm, really, that'd be quite elegant. |
| 18:21.20 | Shirik | Looks interesting though |
| 18:21.25 | Shirik | I may take a look at how they did a few things |
| 18:21.33 | nevcairiel | all the other badge loot that bad? |
| 18:21.37 | Shirik | I didn't know it existed |
| 18:21.38 | nevcairiel | i didnt actually look at it yet |
| 18:21.51 | Tem|work | remember what the drakuru neck is called? |
| 18:21.54 | krka | i presume you've looked at yueliang too? |
| 18:22.14 | foxlit | Search for Betrayal |
| 18:22.14 | Patrick_P | I hope the maintenance won't be extended... I read 4 chapters of wow programming yet and my head's about to explode lol |
| 18:22.15 | Shirik | heh, nope :) |
| 18:22.26 | nevcairiel | Tem|work: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39655 |
| 18:22.27 | jaxdahl | confirm/deny, patch today? |
| 18:22.36 | Patrick_P | deny |
| 18:22.37 | krka | that's basically also a variant of lua in lua |
| 18:22.50 | nevcairiel | more avoidance on the icecrown quest thing, which is nice |
| 18:22.55 | nevcairiel | but sta falls short |
| 18:23.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Dashkal (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 18:23.20 | jaxdahl | i can't imagine blizz deploying a patch 2 days before christmas or during the holidays |
| 18:23.25 | krka | actually, yueliang is mostly a pure port from the c code to lua code |
| 18:23.28 | Tem|work | hum |
| 18:23.35 | Lopeppeppy | Yuling! Caroling! |
| 18:23.46 | Tem|work | nevcairiel: it looks like the betrayer's choker may actually be better than the icecrown reward |
| 18:23.55 | jaxdahl | so if not today. january 6? |
| 18:24.00 | Tem|work | wowhead's comparison needs to let me gem items |
| 18:24.19 | Tem|work | jaxdahl: I can see it going out next week |
| 18:24.26 | nevcairiel | I might still go for the icecrown version for the more defense, crit immune is rather hard =P |
| 18:24.40 | Tem|work | nevcairiel: not with +25def on your weapon |
| 18:24.55 | Lunessa | Tem|work: I did both series in live and beta. They're pretty much identical, except the gargoyle tour of Zul'Drak doesn't cause me to crash. :P |
| 18:24.58 | Patrick_P | any1 heard about the fact blizz may add a functionnality which would allow to have 2 talent builds and freely switch from one to an other? I think it's a hoax, but I ask anyways... |
| 18:24.58 | Tem|work | with 25def on my weapon, I'll be crit immune before enchants |
| 18:25.03 | nevcairiel | Tem|work: thats 3.0.8, isnt it? |
| 18:25.08 | Tem|work | right |
| 18:25.20 | nevcairiel | real 25 def, no 25 rating? |
| 18:25.21 | Tem|work | which is soon (tm) |
| 18:25.22 | nevcairiel | thats awesome |
| 18:25.25 | Tem|work | real 25 def |
| 18:25.34 | Tem|work | AND 2% hp |
| 18:25.41 | Dashkal | Patrick_P: dual-specs is planned, but the exact mechanics of how to switch have not yet been announced |
| 18:25.43 | Lunessa | Patrick_P: It's a real, in development feature. Don't ask when, the answer will be "Soon." |
| 18:25.58 | Patrick_P | cool |
| 18:25.59 | nevcairiel | and maybe the icy touch range-slot-thing (how are those for DKs called again?) |
| 18:26.05 | Tem|work | Sigil |
| 18:26.05 | nevcairiel | and no trouble anymore, ever :D |
| 18:26.11 | Tem|work | that's a badge reward |
| 18:26.14 | Tem|work | 15ish badges |
| 18:26.20 | nevcairiel | thats acceptable |
| 18:26.21 | Shirik | Now that I'm back in VA, I have a severe problem |
| 18:26.27 | Tem|work | if I'm not crit immune before I have badges, I'm being carried through heroics |
| 18:26.31 | Shirik | In order to get food, I have to drive 15 minutes out and 15 minutes back |
| 18:26.33 | nevcairiel | meh |
| 18:26.34 | Tem|work | which is an unacceptable feeling for me |
| 18:26.45 | Tem|work | I carry my groups |
| 18:26.45 | Shirik | so do I waste 30 minutes going to McDonalds? |
| 18:26.46 | nevcairiel | i did CoT:Strat Heroic today with around 500 defense =P |
| 18:26.47 | Tem|work | not the other way around |
| 18:26.53 | nevcairiel | As i said, dinged 80 yesterday |
| 18:26.54 | Dashkal | Eh, we had our tanks reaching uncrittable in heroics |
| 18:27.05 | Tem|work | Dashkal: warriors, pallies |
| 18:27.05 | Dashkal | 'sides, the cap is lower since most of the bosses are 82 |
| 18:27.09 | nevcairiel | i'm up to 520 by now, though |
| 18:27.19 | Tem|work | warriors are cheaters |
| 18:27.24 | Tem|work | big, fat cheaters |
| 18:27.30 | Dashkal | I just hit uncrittable (with the defense runeforge) without any purps |
| 18:27.44 | Dashkal | But I'm mildly gimped in other stats so I want more |
| 18:27.50 | nevcairiel | druids are cheaters, they get uncrittable from talents |
| 18:27.58 | Tem|work | nah |
| 18:28.07 | Tem|work | druids have it bad enough with having to wear retarded gear |
| 18:28.11 | Dashkal | ^^ |
| 18:28.14 | nevcairiel | true enough though |
| 18:28.16 | Dashkal | mmm, tanking in rogue DPS gear |
| 18:28.31 | Patrick_P | "# Players may now create death knights on any realm once they reach level 55. " they switched it from 50 to 55 right? |
| 18:28.33 | Tem|work | I can't even tell what's a good peice of gear for a bear tank |
| 18:28.36 | Lunessa | Wow... they removed their top-left nav links from the forums. |
| 18:28.40 | Dashkal | Patrick_P: it was always 55 |
| 18:28.46 | Tem|work | Patrick_P: have you been living in a cave for the last year? |
| 18:28.50 | nevcairiel | Tem|work: just alot of stamina and agility |
| 18:28.55 | Patrick_P | so what's new? |
| 18:29.01 | foxlit | all realms |
| 18:29.05 | Patrick_P | it's in the ptr patch note... |
| 18:29.07 | Tem|work | nevcairiel: that's so uninteresting :( |
| 18:29.09 | Patrick_P | oh i see |
| 18:30.23 | Patrick_P | Rune of the Stoneskin Gargoyle will grant 25 def or def rating? |
| 18:30.40 | nevcairiel | def apparently |
| 18:30.49 | Patrick_P | would be really nice |
| 18:30.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Nihlo (n=chatzill@p57AFB5BA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:31.25 | foxlit | Which means I should start collecting venture coins |
| 18:31.25 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: December 16th, 2008 10:30am PST. . We will be extending the regularly scheduled maintenance by two hours and expect to have all realms available at approximately 1:00pm PST.. . Thank you,. . Blizzard Entertainment. . . |
| 18:31.25 | Shiibot | December 15th, 2008 6:15pm PST. . We will be performing maintenance for all realms on Tuesday, December 16th. The downtime will begin at 3:00am PST and end at approximately 11:00am PST.. . Thank you,. . Blizzard Entertainment |
| 18:31.28 | Olorin | damn sites that run bad stuff with domains .hk and .pl, wish google wouldnt show them so high up the rankings |
| 18:31.33 | Patrick_P | but i feel they are nerfing unholy tanking to the profit of frost... that's sad.... |
| 18:31.53 | Patrick_P | damn.... |
| 18:31.58 | foxlit | It's not frost. |
| 18:32.01 | foxlit | it's blood. |
| 18:32.01 | Tem|work | fuck you, Shiibot |
| 18:32.05 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:32.23 | Tem|work | I was planning to do my Pa'troll daily at lunch |
| 18:32.25 | nevcairiel | anyone play a frost-tank ? |
| 18:32.33 | Tem|work | nevcairiel: I did in beta a little |
| 18:32.38 | Tem|work | I'm unholy for leveling |
| 18:32.45 | zenzelezz | I did on Hydross lulz |
| 18:32.47 | Lyn | < only blood dps :O |
| 18:33.18 | nevcairiel | Well people have been complaining that frost threat generation is low, i tank as unholy, and i generate alot of threat |
| 18:33.24 | nevcairiel | just wanted some input from a frost tank |
| 18:33.28 | Tem|work | ah |
| 18:33.30 | Tem|work | well |
| 18:33.35 | foxlit | Needs more death and decay |
| 18:33.46 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=12992 |
| 18:33.48 | Tem|work | in beta, I had no trouble out threating the warrior in my raid |
| 18:33.57 | mikma | i have completed this quest, yet it has *not* turned into daily |
| 18:34.00 | Tem|work | and none of our dps got above 50% of my threat |
| 18:34.11 | Tem|work | (on Patchwerk) |
| 18:34.13 | foxlit | And you waited a day? |
| 18:34.23 | foxlit | Not that that's usually required. |
| 18:34.30 | mikma | i've waited a week now |
| 18:34.32 | Tem|work | I didn't have time to watch the threat meters on other fights |
| 18:34.41 | Patrick_P | foxlit: what u mean it's blood not frost? |
| 18:34.44 | Tem|work | we were taunting so much on 4h that I really couldn't tell |
| 18:34.53 | Tem|work | Patrick_P: the buffs are to blood's tanking |
| 18:35.01 | foxlit | They're nerfing unholy and buffing blood. |
| 18:35.08 | Patrick_P | kk |
| 18:35.12 | foxlit | Frost seems relatively neutral. |
| 18:35.57 | foxlit | (I mean, I'm half expecting a nerf to Vampiric Blood) |
| 18:36.13 | Tem|work | I'm expecting a bit of a buff to bone armor |
| 18:36.23 | Tem|work | and IBF |
| 18:36.37 | Tem|work | I think they've gone farther than they needed to with both abilities |
| 18:36.40 | Tem|work | just like AMS |
| 18:36.52 | Tem|work | it may take 4 months, but I expect slight buffs to both of them |
| 18:36.54 | foxlit | They did something to AMS? |
| 18:37.11 | Tem|work | they trippled its cooldown |
| 18:37.18 | foxlit | Up from 20 seconds? |
| 18:37.23 | Tem|work | and now they're lowering that a little |
| 18:37.27 | nevcairiel | Well the buff to frost presence is nice already, although i see the nerf to IBF/BS was too much |
| 18:37.37 | Tem|work | I haven't tested at all |
| 18:37.43 | Tem|work | but my gut says those numbers are too low |
| 18:37.46 | Patrick_P | i been searching for a prebuild tanking spec or tutorial since a month and i found nothing really relevant |
| 18:38.03 | foxlit | Meh, those numbers might just make CC interesting in instances again. |
| 18:38.05 | Tem|work | this is not something you get from a guide |
| 18:38.16 | Tem|work | you have to learn it |
| 18:38.23 | Tem|work | you will suck at first |
| 18:38.27 | Tem|work | so go with guildmates |
| 18:38.35 | foxlit | So PuG like hell, imo :) |
| 18:39.02 | nevcairiel | i read the whole death knigh tank thread and it didnt really give me much insight |
| 18:39.08 | Dashkal | The "DURR YOU MUST BE FROST" bias is strong enough on my server that I'll be tanking for the guild only |
| 18:39.27 | Tem|work | I don't mind if my guildmates see me while I'm learning |
| 18:39.27 | Tem|work | it's the people I don't know that I must make a good impression on |
| 18:39.28 | Tem|work | but that's not really a problem for me since I got my learning phase out of the way on beta |
| 18:39.43 | Tem|work | nevcairiel: there's a DK tank thread? |
| 18:39.56 | nevcairiel | on EJ, i mean |
| 18:40.05 | Tem|work | Dashkal: I had a priest who told me I had to be frost back at 70 BEG me last night to tank for him |
| 18:40.08 | Patrick_P | yeah but i mean i can't find the good build... I spend more than 1000g last month in rebuilds.... |
| 18:40.17 | Tem|work | I told him he could take his group and shove it |
| 18:40.24 | Tem|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.25 | Dashkal | Tem|work: *cackles* he came back? |
| 18:40.36 | Dashkal | After the fit he threw? Balls there... |
| 18:40.49 | Tem|work | He was the healer for my very first instance on live |
| 18:41.00 | *** join/#wowuidev SH_Priche (n=IceChat7@CPE0050f278f883-CM00159a07ee76.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 18:41.02 | foxlit | Meh, PuGs are like a sewer. |
| 18:41.04 | Tem|work | he shows up, sees unholy aura and says "wtf nub why u not in frost?" |
| 18:41.08 | Dashkal | Leveling dungeons still don't get run all that much... the playerbase never got the memo that DPS specs can tank those |
| 18:41.15 | Patrick_P | Now i think i found a good tanking builf... but it's unholy... and it get nurfed... lol |
| 18:41.19 | foxlit | What you get out of them depends on what you put into them :) |
| 18:41.38 | Tem|work | so he tries to tell me how to play my DK |
| 18:41.42 | Dashkal | I tanked UK and Nexus just fine in my blood leveling spec. |
| 18:41.44 | Tem|work | a class, btw, that I've been playing since MAY |
| 18:42.08 | Tem|work | This is not my first rodeo, asshole. I know how to play my class. |
| 18:42.15 | Tem|work | so I kicked him and got a new healer |
| 18:42.29 | Tem|work | then the other day he asked me to tank something |
| 18:42.41 | foxlit | On the other hand, you could've explained, and lived happily ever after :) |
| 18:42.50 | Tem|work | I tried explaining |
| 18:42.55 | Tem|work | that was step 1 |
| 18:43.19 | Tem|work | it was when he refused to believe me and continued calling me a nub that I booted him |
| 18:43.39 | Patrick_P | "# Death Knights have access to unique death-knight only facial textures and skin tones. These can be selected at the character creation screen. " they added some new?... and now we need to pay 15g to redraw it? |
| 18:43.50 | Tem|work | $15 |
| 18:43.52 | Tem|work | and no |
| 18:43.57 | nevcairiel | Patrick_P: no that is a wrong line in the changelog |
| 18:43.58 | Tem|work | that line has been removed from the patch notes |
| 18:44.04 | mikma | i just don't get this |
| 18:44.04 | Patrick_P | kk |
| 18:44.07 | Tem|work | so when he asked me the other day, I told him I remembered who he was (and that I remembered what an idiot he was at 70) and refused |
| 18:44.16 | Tem|work | then he begged |
| 18:44.25 | Tem|work | the asshole in me had a great time |
| 18:44.36 | mikma | does this have something to do with my char being a dk or what |
| 18:44.54 | Tem|work | mikma: ? |
| 18:44.58 | foxlit | No, not likely |
| 18:45.09 | foxlit | Plenty of us play DKs, and there's nothing particularly special. |
| 18:45.16 | Patrick_P | but it's still in the changenote on the mainsite... where do you get your changenote from? |
| 18:45.23 | mikma | well currently i have 106/140 quests done in icecrown and the shadow vault dailies aren't open |
| 18:45.26 | mikma | i find that odd |
| 18:45.35 | Tem|work | oh |
| 18:45.48 | Tem|work | no it has nothing to do with you being a DK |
| 18:45.59 | Tem|work | what icecrown quests do you have in your log? |
| 18:46.09 | *** join/#wowuidev cncfanatics (n=cncfanat@WoWUIDev/cncfanatics) |
| 18:46.10 | mikma | 2x 5man quests, |
| 18:46.22 | Tem|work | have you done the quest with the shadow guys where Baron silver was originally? |
| 18:46.29 | mikma | banshee's revenge ans no rest for the wicked |
| 18:46.40 | ScytheBlade1 | DIE |
| 18:46.44 | ScytheBlade1 | MAINT EXTENDED 2H |
| 18:46.54 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1... |
| 18:46.57 | Shirik | you are like 15 minutes late |
| 18:47.00 | ScytheBlade1 | -.- |
| 18:47.01 | Shirik | Shiibot owns you |
| 18:47.01 | mikma | tem|work: he was at the ground in front of shadow vault originally afaik? |
| 18:47.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ~stab Shirik |
| 18:47.04 | purl | ACTION runs at Shirik with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 18:47.07 | ScytheBlade1 | ~stab Shiibot |
| 18:47.08 | purl | ACTION runs at Shiibot with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 18:47.09 | Shirik | Hey, don't get mat at me |
| 18:47.12 | Shirik | Shiibot owned you |
| 18:47.20 | ScytheBlade1 | It's pretty hard to get mat at you |
| 18:47.23 | ScytheBlade1 | As that makes zero sense |
| 18:47.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Dewin (n=Daniel@c-71-59-222-35.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 18:47.41 | Tem|work | ScytheBlade1: I was bitching about that 15 minutes ago |
| 18:47.42 | Shirik | ~kill ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:47.43 | purl | ACTION shoots a inverse anti-neutrino gun at ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:47.53 | Tem|work | I wanted to go home and do my favorite daily at lunch |
| 18:47.54 | Shirik | You know |
| 18:47.55 | foxlit | mikma: you did http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=12943, of course. |
| 18:48.03 | Tem|work | it's easier to do in time when there are fewer people in my way |
| 18:48.03 | Shirik | It has been postulated that anti-neutrinos ARE neutrinos |
| 18:48.08 | foxlit | Did you do the quest from the chained draenei at the same place? |
| 18:48.20 | mikma | foxlit: oh.. no |
| 18:48.26 | mikma | draenei i missed |
| 18:48.39 | Tem|work | mikma: the one to free the DKs in johtunheim |
| 18:48.50 | Tem|work | (if I just spelled that right, I'll be amazed) |
| 18:48.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem|work: yeah I'm doing my required RRRRRAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGEEEEE -.- |
| 18:49.03 | foxlit | you didn't |
| 18:49.14 | Tem|work | You should be able to solo Banshee's reveng |
| 18:49.18 | foxlit | cease being amazed immediately. |
| 18:49.23 | Tem|work | I just soloed it yesterday at 78 |
| 18:49.45 | foxlit | You're 78, and you're doing level 80 quests in Icecrown. There's something wrong with this picture :) |
| 18:49.52 | Tem|work | All told, I soloed 5 quests in icecrown yesterday marked as "Suggested players[5]" |
| 18:49.59 | Shirik | that is a problem |
| 18:50.09 | mikma | foxlit: yeah, missed the draenei and he actually has a quest |
| 18:50.15 | Tem|work | I couldn't kill Carnage solo |
| 18:50.20 | Tem|work | I'll come back when I have better gear |
| 18:50.36 | foxlit | two, really, if you count the followup :) |
| 18:50.48 | Tem|work | foxlit: ? |
| 18:51.03 | foxlit | Mostly to mikma. |
| 18:51.06 | Tem|work | Shirik: what's a problem? |
| 18:51.08 | Tem|work | oh |
| 18:51.38 | Tem|work | mikma: go try to solo Banshee's Revenge |
| 18:51.45 | Tem|work | see how far you can get in the chain |
| 18:51.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I have work for you to do |
| 18:51.58 | Shirik | no you don't |
| 18:52.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, yes I do |
| 18:52.07 | foxlit | Tem: the followup to that is not soloable, iirc. |
| 18:52.14 | Shirik | what do you want me to do |
| 18:52.17 | Tem|work | foxlit: I soloed it |
| 18:52.18 | ScytheBlade1 | GET THE WOWI CLIENT DONE ALREADY |
| 18:52.20 | ScytheBlade1 | -.- |
| 18:52.23 | Taladris | tem|work: I've soloed everything I've done so far, but haven't done Icecrown |
| 18:52.28 | Shirik | I know ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:52.34 | Tem|work | I did Banshee's Revenge, the follow up, and the first 3 events of Valhalas |
| 18:52.38 | Tem|work | completely solo |
| 18:52.40 | foxlit | Tem: Battle at Valhalas? |
| 18:52.40 | Shirik | I'm stuck at a critical point that we're still trying to work out |
| 18:52.41 | ScytheBlade1 | You have until winter break is over with |
| 18:52.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Go. |
| 18:52.45 | mikma | tem|work: actually, foxlit was 100% right, it was the freaking draenei that opened the quests, gah |
| 18:53.09 | Tem|work | oops, there's a quest before banshee's revenge |
| 18:53.13 | Tem|work | that's where I started soloing |
| 18:53.23 | Tem|work | Not-so-Honorable combat |
| 18:53.36 | Tem|work | foxlit: yeah |
| 18:53.37 | mikma | the elite at the mountains? |
| 18:53.43 | foxlit | It's the only one you can solo, iirc. |
| 18:53.49 | Tem|work | I got the first 3 of Valhalas |
| 18:53.53 | foxlit | He's snarable, the rest of them aren't. |
| 18:53.57 | Tem|work | so? |
| 18:53.59 | Tem|work | I tanked them |
| 18:54.01 | Dashkal | That was was easy, the one atop the fortress I needed a group |
| 18:54.02 | Tem|work | and outhealed their damage |
| 18:54.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Osagasu (n=Dune@208-104-142-238.rhhe1.2wcm.comporium.net) |
| 18:54.07 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=13137 |
| 18:54.12 | mikma | tem|work: soloed that one too! :D |
| 18:54.16 | Tem|work | the one on the fortress took effort |
| 18:54.25 | Tem|work | a couple tries to avoid the dragon breaths |
| 18:54.41 | Tem|work | the hardest was Sirgil Iceborn |
| 18:54.54 | Tem|work | she does this annoying fucking move that hits for 5k if you don't avoid it |
| 18:55.02 | Tem|work | (you can't avoid it) |
| 18:55.11 | Tem|work | BUT, it's magic damage, so you can AMS it |
| 18:55.21 | Tem|work | and it counts as a stun, so if you can time IBF, you're immune |
| 18:55.55 | Tem|work | Dashkal: did you try more than once? |
| 18:56.11 | Tem|work | were you level 80? |
| 18:56.15 | Dashkal | Tem|work: nope, and I'm in a DPS spec as well so didn't feel it worth the stress. Yes I was 80 |
| 18:56.26 | Tem|work | oh but you're blood aren't you |
| 18:56.30 | Dashkal | I am |
| 18:56.35 | Corr-work | lolblood ;P |
| 18:56.37 | Tem|work | I don't think I could have done it if I were blood |
| 18:56.52 | Corr-work | i'd be surprised if you can wipe your own ass as blood |
| 18:57.06 | Corr-work | nah, i'm just trollin'. |
| 18:57.23 | Tem|work | I soloed durn the hungerer as blood |
| 18:57.24 | Dashkal | My personal DPS is strictly middle-of-the-pack. The warrior gets 'happy' every time I hit him with hysteria or abom might :p |
| 18:57.35 | Tem|work | ... in beta |
| 18:57.43 | Tem|work | when blood was hillariously OP |
| 18:57.54 | Dashkal | mmm, old bloodworms and death strike |
| 18:58.01 | Tem|work | yep |
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| 18:58.59 | Dashkal | ~wowalert |
| 18:59.00 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 19:00.31 | NeoTron | speaking of elites, I need to do the pre-req for ogrila to get the bombing on a reindeer achievement |
| 19:00.55 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
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| 19:01.04 | Dashkal | Gonna go solo those tonight |
| 19:02.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: good luck soloing the one that requires 5 people to summon. ;) |
| 19:02.49 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: For that I'll drag out my guild |
| 19:03.24 | Dashkal | Since it doesn't look like 3.0.8 is going live this year (I was kinda hoping that quest would get lumped in with the other Ok, you can solo that. quests |
| 19:03.27 | Dashkal | ) |
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| 19:04.57 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: I'm registering a domain name and it said "<address> should have glue record" when I was telling it my domain servers |
| 19:05.03 | Shirik | what does that mean? ( I know how to fix it, just curious |
| 19:05.54 | pastamancer | I think it means your primary and secondarn NS servers should have domain names instead of ip addresses |
| 19:07.15 | pastamancer | way back when netsol was the only game in town, you registerd your NS servers and then registered your domain |
| 19:07.53 | Shirik | "This is one of your saved cards. Enter another or go back and select it." |
| 19:07.57 | Shirik | NO IT IS NOT, IT CHANGED |
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| 19:13.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: glue records are typically A/AAAA records stored in the .com registry, providing "glue" between .com and your whatever.com, allowing DNS traversal to take place |
| 19:14.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone remember that the draw distance cVar is? |
| 19:15.56 | duaiwe | farclip? |
| 19:16.15 | NeoTron | seems like they are considering opening up vehicles for dots... which is a rather serious issue right now imho. especially for DK's who don't only lose the dot damage but suffers reduced strike damage too |
| 19:18.17 | ScytheBlade1 | That's it, thanks |
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| 19:23.12 | Thunder_Child | i shouldnt be laughing....but i am http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/the-black-man-is-keeping-me-down/ |
| 19:23.48 | mikma | bwahahahahaha |
| 19:23.55 | Lopeppeppy | TC, how surprising from you! |
| 19:23.57 | mikma | holiday snow |
| 19:24.07 | mikma | time to nuke hordes off from the AV bridge |
| 19:24.42 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, do i detect the merest hind of sarcasm? |
| 19:25.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy.. sarcastic? never... |
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| 19:31.15 | zenzelezz | that's okay, from you I'd accept sarcastic snuggles too |
| 19:31.45 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. sarcastic snuggles.. thats a new one for me.. |
| 19:32.31 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. I'm going to snuggle but you're not gonna like it! |
| 19:32.33 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 19:33.25 | NightHawkTheSane | eep.. |
| 19:34.31 | zenzelezz | if you're like me, you take whatever you can get |
| 19:35.55 | pastamancer | take Fisker-, please |
| 19:36.13 | zenzelezz | he's just a tease |
| 19:42.13 | NightHawkTheSane | sacrelicious: http://www.kottke.org/08/12/muppet-chickens-2001-a-space-odyssey |
| 19:43.45 | alestane | NHtS: Dead video |
| 19:45.31 | NightHawkTheSane | mm? |
| 19:47.42 | p3lim | anyone know if the macro modifiers is in the open source wow ui or if they are in the core? |
| 19:48.35 | alestane | p3lim: You mean the [conditionals]? |
| 19:48.35 | p3lim | yes |
| 19:48.37 | NightHawkTheSane | i wouldn't call the wow ui 'open source' >.> |
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| 19:49.07 | alestane | They were in FrameXML until about 2.1.3 or so, when they were moved into C for performance reasons. |
| 19:49.46 | p3lim | aw ok then |
| 19:50.43 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: hm, that means i can't replace the [flyable] condition with my own, doesn't it? >.> |
| 19:50.58 | p3lim | NightHawkTheSane: exactly what i was gonna do too :p |
| 19:51.01 | alestane | Not if you want it to work, no. |
| 19:51.10 | p3lim | just got my first flying mount on my druid |
| 19:51.19 | p3lim | (proto drake :D) |
| 19:51.28 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: yeah, i had an inkling it wasn't going to fly (no pun intended) |
| 19:52.27 | alestane | Even if you could still get at the function (which was sealed inside a local scope, your replacement function would be insecure, so it would taint the execution when the /command processor ran it to check the condition, which would prevent the macro from being able to call CastSpellByName(). |
| 19:53.04 | alestane | Because you could still override SecureCmdOptionsParse, but the taint issue prevents it from being useful, which is what taint is for. |
| 19:54.35 | Xiro | meh, 11am pst my ass |
| 19:55.19 | Xiro | I should know better... |
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| 20:07.54 | Aelobin | hi :) |
| 20:08.00 | Cidan | Hi. |
| 20:08.14 | Cidan | That'll be 20 dollars please, USD. |
| 20:08.24 | Aelobin | 0_o |
| 20:09.27 | Aelobin | all you guys addon/ui devs? |
| 20:09.31 | alestane | Don't mind him, the courts just made him stop selling his opinions on the black market. |
| 20:09.36 | alestane | Many of us. |
| 20:09.48 | Aelobin | lol ^^ |
| 20:10.00 | Cidan | =D |
| 20:10.04 | Aelobin | dont suppose you got a moment to try help me solve an lua problem |
| 20:10.05 | Cidan | Ya, a lot of us. |
| 20:10.10 | TC-Away | ~asktoask |
| 20:10.11 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 20:10.14 | Cidan | We does, we does! |
| 20:10.14 | TC-Away | HAH! |
| 20:10.21 | Cidan | !HAH |
| 20:10.28 | Aelobin | ok im confused 0.o |
| 20:10.39 | Cidan | Aelobin: Just ask, =D |
| 20:10.46 | Thunder_Child | just go ahead and ask your question |
| 20:10.49 | alestane | Thunder_Child: Clearly I beat you. |
| 20:10.51 | Aelobin | oh right lol |
| 20:10.59 | Thunder_Child | how did you come to that alestane? |
| 20:11.17 | Aelobin | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=7289889093&sid=1 <-- pretty much explains the issue |
| 20:11.29 | alestane | In my client, at least, my line is first. But anyway. |
| 20:11.42 | Thunder_Child | ~fail alestane |
| 20:11.43 | purl | alestane, you Fail! |
| 20:12.09 | Thunder_Child | you got a msg from purl about repeasting alestane, so i obviously beat you |
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| 20:13.04 | Thunder_Child | repeating* |
| 20:13.09 | alestane | Eh, my client must have posted it at tranmission and not echo. |
| 20:13.29 | Thunder_Child | i assume all do |
| 20:13.41 | Thunder_Child | since most pople always see theirs first |
| 20:13.43 | Cidan | Aelobin: This is less of a lua question, and more of a programming question; you must use a while loop |
| 20:14.13 | Aelobin | Cidan: ah, time to show my noob side, but i don't think i've used while loops before |
| 20:14.26 | Cidan | that's okay, =D |
| 20:14.31 | Cidan | Lopeppeppy: =D=D=D=D=D |
| 20:14.37 | Cidan | it works like this |
| 20:14.49 | Cidan | while <condition> do <code> end |
| 20:14.53 | Cidan | simple enough, so |
| 20:14.57 | Aelobin | ah right yeh |
| 20:15.08 | alestane | Actually, in this case I'd use a repeat loop. |
| 20:15.10 | Aelobin | like for which you can stop when you want ;) |
| 20:15.34 | Aelobin | any solution/help is appreciated xD |
| 20:15.42 | Aelobin | its the last bit i need to do and cant figure it out |
| 20:16.07 | Cidan | Well |
| 20:16.41 | toggster | Patternmatching: what is %x? can't seem to find it on wowwiki :/ |
| 20:17.23 | toggster | ./slap self, nvm. I'm blind after 10m of looking for the forest. Damn those trees |
| 20:17.59 | Cidan | There are a few ways, without looking at your code, I can say something like, local found = nil; while not found do <try to join code here, do if check to see if joined or get return of join function, set "found" to true when you join.> end |
| 20:18.29 | Cidan | does the join channel function return anything? |
| 20:18.32 | Shirik | toggster: Hex value |
| 20:18.36 | Shirik | !api string.match |
| 20:18.36 | Aelobin | i understand this :) just wondered if i could somehow keep the password request StaticPopup hidden |
| 20:18.37 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'string.match' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-string.match |
| 20:18.49 | Shirik | eh |
| 20:18.52 | Shirik | !api patterns |
| 20:18.53 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'patterns'. |
| 20:18.55 | Cidan | oh uh. |
| 20:18.56 | Aelobin | Cidan: yeh sec |
| 20:18.57 | Shirik | well, it's in the manuap |
| 20:18.59 | Shirik | manual* |
| 20:19.05 | Thunder_Child | *snicker* @ Shirik |
| 20:19.26 | Cidan | Can you paste your code into the link in the topic? |
| 20:19.34 | alestane | local i=0; local name; repeat i = i + 1; name = select(2, JoinPermanentChannel("MyAddonChannel"..i, password)) until name; |
| 20:19.46 | Shirik | !api 5.4.1 |
| 20:19.47 | lua_bot | Lua Reference Manual: 'Patterns' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#5.4.1 |
| 20:20.16 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, now go link that to !api patterns |
| 20:20.43 | Aelobin | ty, and what dyou mean by paste my code? atm i have nothing that i can paste as everything i've tried i've ended up deleting |
| 20:20.50 | Aelobin | and the addon code is over 500 lines atm |
| 20:22.42 | Aelobin | basically the user isn't to know anythign thats goin on, so it doesnt ask for a pass if the pass is wrong, and the channel is hidden |
| 20:22.48 | Aelobin | will that code you wrote do that ale? :P |
| 20:22.53 | Cidan | wait, wait. |
| 20:23.00 | zenzelezz | what's this addon supposed to do? |
| 20:23.01 | Cidan | You're trying to use this channel for addon data? |
| 20:23.02 | Aelobin | ^^ |
| 20:23.15 | Aelobin | yeh, i need to sync to the whole realm rather than the addon data channels |
| 20:23.33 | Shirik | It's possible, but certainly more complicated |
| 20:23.34 | zenzelezz | I think most players are sucpicious of addons that quietly steals one chat channel slot |
| 20:23.45 | Aelobin | i know :p |
| 20:23.47 | Aelobin | i actually am too |
| 20:23.54 | Aelobin | but i can't think of any other way to sync to realm |
| 20:24.02 | Aelobin | and it's kinda important |
| 20:24.06 | zenzelezz | but again, what are you doing? |
| 20:24.11 | zenzelezz | why do you need to sync a whole realm? |
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| 20:24.21 | Aelobin | Hmm don't suppose you've heard of "Skirm" ? |
| 20:24.26 | zenzelezz | nope |
| 20:24.28 | Aelobin | sec |
| 20:24.43 | Aelobin | http://my.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/skirm.aspx <-- updating my previous addon |
| 20:24.58 | Aelobin | that one only sync to bg and guild, but would rather this one was to the whole realm |
| 20:25.12 | Shirik | That sounds like it would be very easy to corrupt |
| 20:25.20 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, very easy. |
| 20:25.25 | Aelobin | that doesnt bother me |
| 20:25.38 | Aelobin | the stuff being synced isn't critical (which sounds a bit stupid lol) |
| 20:25.40 | Shirik | So you trust your entire realm? Where do you play so I can transfer? |
| 20:26.22 | Aelobin | ok ill give you a quick description of how it works |
| 20:26.51 | Aelobin | its got a database of "estimated" ratings, which it uses to calculate your rating gain in a skirmish arena (against your own team rating stored in the vars file) |
| 20:27.03 | Aelobin | the estimated rating values are updated from the sync channels |
| 20:27.58 | Aelobin | the stored rating of playerA can only be updated by playerA sending it in the sync channel |
| 20:28.17 | Aelobin | so others can't try and corrupt it that way, but they could try send fake ratings of their own, however this wouldnt have much of an effect |
| 20:28.27 | Shirik | Then they aren't really estimated |
| 20:28.42 | Aelobin | hmm i guess |
| 20:28.55 | Aelobin | it's either that or make the opponent team rating 1500 everytime |
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| 20:29.57 | Dashkal | oh fun |
| 20:30.00 | Dashkal | mt |
| 20:30.13 | Aelobin | you got any other suggestions? :P |
| 20:30.19 | Dashkal | kwin has this annoying habit of giving windows the keyboard focus when they're not on top of the window stack... |
| 20:30.50 | Aelobin | atm the actual player rating is hashed for checking, even though i know this could be worked around too |
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| 20:32.28 | jaxdahl | anyone familiar with wowwebstats? |
| 20:34.40 | Shirik | sure |
| 20:36.38 | Shirik | I just took exactly 1 fall damage |
| 20:36.38 | Shiibot | New WoW-US Server Alert: December 16th, 2008 12:35pm PST. . All realms are now available for play. We would like to thank you for your patience and we.ll see you in Azeroth!. . Thank you,. . Blizzard Entertainment |
| 20:36.43 | Shirik | that should be an achievement |
| 20:36.52 | Adys | agreed shirik |
| 20:36.58 | Cide | eh |
| 20:37.03 | Cide | in a sense |
| 20:37.03 | Adys | tho people past lvl 15 would whine |
| 20:37.11 | Shirik | You should have to be above lv 80 |
| 20:37.12 | Shirik | er |
| 20:37.14 | Shirik | at lv 80 |
| 20:37.35 | Shirik | It wouldn't be hard at low levels |
| 20:37.45 | Tem|work | oh wtf, blizzard |
| 20:37.49 | Shirik | wow, I also have exactly 15k hp |
| 20:37.50 | Aelobin | is it even possible at higher lvls :P |
| 20:37.55 | Shirik | I just did it at 80 |
| 20:38.09 | Aelobin | oh cool :P |
| 20:38.11 | Tem|work | You tell me the servers are going to be down until 3 |
| 20:38.33 | Tem|work | and then when I get back from my earlier-than-planned lunch because the servers aren't going to be up anyway, you tell me the servers are back |
| 20:38.41 | Shirik | owndeddeded |
| 20:39.00 | Tekkub | adicted much? |
| 20:39.01 | Adys | Shirik: at lvl 70, i had exactly 10000 hp and 11111 mana, buffed |
| 20:39.21 | Aelobin | i had 1337 mana on one of my 19 twinks once ;) |
| 20:39.29 | jaxdahl | hmm.. wowwebstats doesn't seem to keep track of when buffs/debuffs fade -- is that a limitation of the combat log? |
| 20:39.33 | toggster | ehm, having trouble with patternmatching itemlinks. the links aren't changed or such are they? getting some very strange stuff |
| 20:39.43 | Tem|work | Tekkub: I need to do my pa'troll daily asap to avoid missing the timed event |
| 20:40.04 | Tem|work | (the quest areas get crowded and it gets hard to finish them in time) |
| 20:40.04 | Tekkub | yea sure, find excuses for your addiction |
| 20:40.16 | Tem|work | if I were addicted, I'd have a level 80 character |
| 20:40.19 | Dashkal | What's the reward for doing it on time? |
| 20:40.21 | Tekkub | oh I should hit dalaran and see if books are spawned |
| 20:40.44 | Tem|work | 18g and a prize |
| 20:40.47 | Tem|work | and double rep |
| 20:40.49 | Tem|work | which is why I care |
| 20:41.00 | Tem|work | I'm counting on several items from AC in my tank set |
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| 20:42.14 | Dashkal | ahh. I'm at 0/21k revered. nothing at ex that interests me |
| 20:42.46 | toggster | |cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r <-- itemlinks should look like that yes? When i use string.match it finds a match item:7073:0:0:0:-32:42384293428 or similar. :/ |
| 20:42.51 | Dashkal | I do like my skeleton crusher... but it's going bye bye. Hello titansteel destroyer :p |
| 20:43.00 | Dashkal | Just need to steal a guildie's cooldown and I get my last bar |
| 20:43.15 | Tem|work | yeah nothing for me past revered either |
| 20:43.19 | Tem|work | but I'm still honored |
| 20:43.27 | Tem|work | need to get revered with wyrmrest as well |
| 20:43.28 | Dashkal | Revered is mandatory. The arcanum |
| 20:43.32 | Tem|work | right |
| 20:43.50 | Tem|work | the mace is going to be my initial tank weapon as well |
| 20:44.22 | Dashkal | It'll become my tank weapon. If I need to offtank I'd rather have a second weapon on hand with the defense than having to bounce off of icecrown or the trainer |
| 20:44.46 | Tekkub | ugh, dalaran books suck |
| 20:47.56 | Tem|work | I don't mind death gating every time I start an instance |
| 20:48.14 | Tem|work | yeah.. I need a titansteel |
| 20:48.16 | Tem|work | like teh bad |
| 20:49.31 | Aelobin | anyone know what MinigameFrame.lua/xml and TicTacToeFrame.lua/xml are for? |
| 20:49.47 | Dashkal | I wouldn't mind at all if I was tanking for real, but if I'm just offtanking a few fights I want a second weapon |
| 20:50.01 | Dashkal | 100g is nothing with 80 dailies, so respeccing is nothing |
| 20:51.01 | Tem|work | how much do 80 dailies give? |
| 20:51.32 | Dashkal | no idea offhand (checking) I just notice that my cash steadily climbs |
| 20:51.38 | haste | Tem|work: like 80x13? |
| 20:51.39 | Dashkal | despite buying inscriptions and arcanums all the time |
| 20:51.54 | Tem|work | ~stab haste |
| 20:51.55 | purl | ACTION runs at haste with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 20:51.58 | Dashkal | 20ish |
| 20:52.00 | Dashkal | some more |
| 20:52.37 | haste | :D |
| 20:52.58 | Dashkal | so yeah. 5 dailies and I paid for a new arcanum or a respec back and forth or whatever I need. I tend to do about 15 on a good day |
| 20:53.51 | Dashkal | lunch time |
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| 21:04.17 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.themorningnews.org/archives/the_nonexpert/does_she_love_you.php |
| 21:05.37 | Aelobin | lulz |
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| 21:11.54 | Shirik | My dogs are so awesome |
| 21:12.09 | Shirik | We live near an airport, and I happened to take my dogs outside |
| 21:12.34 | Shirik | One of them heard an airplane and looked up. So I yell to him "go get it!" and he starts jumping up and barking trying to catch the airplane |
| 21:13.03 | NeoTron | did he? |
| 21:13.08 | Shirik | uh... no |
| 21:13.18 | Shirik | but he thinks he scared it away |
| 21:13.21 | Shirik | so he's satisfied |
| 21:16.42 | Tekkub | dogs are stupid |
| 21:16.58 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:17.16 | Tekkub | my cat woulda just given me that look like "what the fuck do you think I am, a stupid dog?" |
| 21:17.26 | Tekkub | and that is why I love mah catz |
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| 21:18.55 | Tem|work | http://www.aegisub.net/2008/12/if-programming-languages-were-religions.html :) |
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| 21:19.59 | Shirik | I'm Islam? |
| 21:20.12 | Shirik | Haskell would be Taoism - It is so different from other languages that many people don't understand how can anyone use it to produce anything useful. Its followers believe that it's the true path to wisdom, but that wisdom is beyond the grasp of most mortals. |
| 21:20.13 | Shirik | Yes! |
| 21:20.36 | Shirik | nice find, Tem |
| 21:20.53 | Tekkub | WOOO WICCA! |
| 21:20.54 | Lopeppeppy | I'm studying to be a Wiccan! How appropriate for Peppy. |
| 21:20.55 | Tekkub | we win |
| 21:22.07 | Tem|work | I love the blurb for C# |
| 21:22.10 | p3lim | looking for some addon to handle my shapeshifting |
| 21:22.14 | NightHawkTheSane | "Perl would be Voodoo - An incomprehensible series of arcane incantations that involve the blood of goats and permanently corrupt your soul." so true.. |
| 21:22.22 | p3lim | macros are fucked ([flyable] condition :<) |
| 21:22.32 | Tem|work | "... if only all the followers of Java wouldn't discriminate so much against you for following it." |
| 21:22.43 | Tem|work | YES! I'm a Java person and that's exactly how I feel about C# |
| 21:23.54 | Shirik | Me too actually |
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| 21:25.21 | Shirik | btw, more geek humor: http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/5678/nopiegcc3cakecx6.png |
| 21:26.14 | Tem|work | btw, I meant that as a java person I discriminate against c# people |
| 21:26.19 | Tem|work | dirty m$ |
| 21:26.23 | Shirik | I discriminate against C# as well |
| 21:26.29 | Shirik | and C# is ok, if it weren't for Microsoft tbh |
| 21:26.48 | Shirik | It does have a GC which gives me some amount of hate for it, though |
| 21:26.48 | p3lim | is there some API to un-stance? |
| 21:26.55 | Shirik | un-stance? |
| 21:27.02 | Shirik | like for warriors? |
| 21:27.13 | Shirik | and there's CancelBuff, btw |
| 21:27.18 | Shirik | but not for warriors |
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| 21:27.57 | p3lim | druids specifically |
| 21:28.13 | p3lim | and CancelBuff is secured, sadly |
| 21:28.14 | Shirik | CancelBuff then |
| 21:28.17 | Shirik | oh right! |
| 21:28.21 | Shirik | Because of the whole druid exploit |
| 21:28.26 | Shirik | heh |
| 21:28.32 | Shirik | What are you trying to do? |
| 21:28.46 | p3lim | made an addon to do my mount macro |
| 21:28.56 | Shirik | then use /cancelaura |
| 21:28.57 | Tem|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.57 | p3lim | though it hangs up if im in a form |
| 21:28.59 | Olorin | is their an easy way of calculating the height of a fontstring template "GameFontNormal" for example? |
| 21:29.33 | p3lim | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.36 | Shirik | uh |
| 21:29.41 | Shirik | you need to give it a spell to cancel |
| 21:29.43 | Tem|work | er |
| 21:29.44 | Tem|work | sorry |
| 21:29.48 | Tem|work | cancelform |
| 21:29.56 | p3lim | thanks tem! |
| 21:29.56 | Shirik | oh I didn't know about that one :) |
| 21:29.56 | Tekkub | smarter than the macro system... |
| 21:30.14 | Shirik | I still like /cancelaura |
| 21:30.41 | Tem|work | Tekkub: you have to be smarter than it for mounting in northrend atm |
| 21:30.51 | Tem|work | since IsFlyableArea doesn't know the whole story |
| 21:30.53 | Tekkub | I know, I just use squire |
| 21:31.27 | Tem|work | meh |
| 21:33.33 | Tem|work | local z,m,c=GetRealZoneTexT(),GetMinimapZoneText(),CallCompanion if IsFlyableArea()and(z~="Dalaran"or m=="Krasus' Landing"or m=="Violet Citadel")and z~="Lake Wintergrasp"then c("mount",1)else c("mount",2)end |
| 21:34.11 | p3lim | http://pastey.net/104491 |
| 21:34.39 | Tem|work | hahahahahah |
| 21:34.44 | Tem|work | Spoiler Alert: http://movies.popcrunch.com/spoiler/ |
| 21:34.58 | p3lim | Violet Citadel.. in Dalaran? |
| 21:35.12 | Tem|work | you can fly from the balcony outside the purple parlor |
| 21:35.23 | p3lim | yeah |
| 21:35.53 | p3lim | IsFlyableArea() catches that one |
| 21:36.03 | p3lim | your zone is not dalaran up there i think |
| 21:36.41 | Tem|work | it is |
| 21:37.23 | Tem|work | (it is still shown as "Dalaran") |
| 21:37.45 | Tem|work | the only downside to that macro is the steps outside the violet citadel will attempt to use your flyer |
| 21:41.05 | Dashkal | Hrm, what with blue arena pieces requiring arena points I imagine I should make and sell the blacksmithing pieces... |
| 21:42.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem|work: to be sure, the Underbelly area of hte sewers has that tunnel leading outside that you can fly in. |
| 21:43.39 | alestane | pastamancer: ping |
| 21:43.47 | pastamancer | alestane: pong |
| 21:44.27 | alestane | Do I understand correctly that the function GridLayout:LoadLayout() does the heavy lifting to arrange a group of headers in the proper arrangement? |
| 21:44.39 | pastamancer | alestane: correct |
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| 21:45.09 | alestane | So if I want to check which frames are next to which, hooking onto that and doing postprocessing is reasonable? |
| 21:45.09 | pastamancer | it maintains a pool of group headers and a pool of pet headers |
| 21:45.31 | Tem|work | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, I haven't worked that one in yet either |
| 21:45.38 | alestane | And it should never be called in combat? |
| 21:46.11 | Tem|work | because I almost never leave that way and I don't ahve a good way to distinguish it from the rest of the sewer yet |
| 21:46.29 | Tem|work | I'll probably have to stick it in a tiny addon because I don't think I have space there to consider coords |
| 21:46.45 | Tem|work | plus I'll eventually have more than one ground mount and more than one flyer |
| 21:46.46 | alestane | Looks like GridLayout:PlaceGroup is also significant. |
| 21:47.22 | alestane | And is GridLayout the parent frame for the group headers? |
| 21:47.56 | pastamancer | the parent frame is... let me look it up |
| 21:48.47 | pastamancer | "GridLayoutFrame" |
| 21:49.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem|work: yeah, those two things are what prompted me to write StableBoy (Except the addon grew to be not-exactly-tiny.. meh) |
| 21:50.35 | pastamancer | and yeah, :PlaceGroup is what actually does the anchoring |
| 21:51.32 | alestane | Because what I basically need to do is identify the group headers and determine their relative placements. |
| 21:52.43 | pastamancer | well, you could always loop through GridLayout.layoutGroups and GridLayout.layoutPetGroups and stop when you find one that isn't shown since they're always used in order |
| 21:52.57 | alestane | Basically. |
| 21:52.59 | pastamancer | and then what is it... GetPoints to find out how they're anchored |
| 21:53.47 | alestane | I may start by making it very simple, so it doesn't worry about whether the groups are in rows or columns, as a proof-of-concept. |
| 21:54.30 | pastamancer | I suppose you could even grab all the individual frames and GetPoint each of them |
| 21:54.35 | alestane | Then refine it so that left and right, up and down are respected. |
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| 21:55.17 | alestane | Sadly, GetPoint is vanishing from the restricted frames in 3.0.8 for exploit reasons. |
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| 21:56.30 | pastamancer | ah |
| 21:57.12 | alestane | Actually, it was included because I wanted to do something like this, but now it has to go. |
| 21:59.08 | pastamancer | then you'll need the group anchor and horizontal settings from gridlayout |
| 21:59.59 | alestane | Eventually, yes. |
| 22:00.43 | alestane | If you want an 8x5 layout by raid group, does it preload all eight headers when you load the layout? |
| 22:02.01 | pastamancer | yes, all headers are created when the layout is loaded since new headers can't be created in combat |
| 22:03.24 | alestane | That'll give me most of what I need. And the headers should now support registering buttons when they're created on demand. |
| 22:22.13 | kd3 | heh, rofl; http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v197/Renfield80/WoW_Shoe_Dodge.gif |
| 22:23.07 | Olorin | lol shame he missed, mighta crit |
| 22:24.14 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: oh man, i want my shaman to have the Shoe ability |
| 22:24.35 | Shirik | <AFK> Maliki |
| 22:24.36 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:25.25 | Shirik | I also like the <Knockdown> |
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| 22:30.08 | alestane | pastamancer: Does the groupNumber remain associated with the header in some way? |
| 22:30.34 | alestane | It doesn't look like it. |
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| 22:34.02 | Dashkal | hrm, idea. "incomplete" items. Would allow a crafter to make a T8 level weapon, sell it, but only someone in t8 content would be able to actually use it. The item itself would have a on-use to combine with an exclusive drop from that instance. |
| 22:35.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: no effective difference than requiring vortexes for craftables post-boe change. |
| 22:35.42 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: one specific difference: You don't have to be a blacksmith to get the item |
| 22:35.58 | NightHawkTheSane | well i mean aside from that |
| 22:36.04 | NeoTron | but that's quite a significant difference |
| 22:36.20 | Dashkal | that's my entire point, though. BoP craftables that still have the "tier" requirement |
| 22:36.29 | NightHawkTheSane | point is, you may as well just make the recipes require an item that only drops in a t8 instance |
| 22:36.31 | NightHawkTheSane | just like frozen orbs |
| 22:36.32 | Dashkal | erm, BoE |
| 22:37.13 | Dashkal | Uh, the difference you're discarding is the entire point of the idea, NHtS |
| 22:37.19 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: if it's BoE that only sets a price but doesn'r restrict the availability |
| 22:37.28 | NeoTron | if it's BoP you'er back to the horrible nether vortex crap |
| 22:37.59 | NightHawkTheSane | if it's bop, raids will just sell raid slots for it when they have all they need |
| 22:38.14 | NightHawkTheSane | so you're not limiting it from non-raiders, really |
| 22:38.16 | NeoTron | a good example of this btw are the items from blade's edge mountains that require BoP items to become "charged" and usable |
| 22:38.19 | Dashkal | Imagine if you could make a BoE "Incomplete Stormhearald" with a "Use: Combine with a Nether Vortex to create Stormhearald" |
| 22:38.31 | Dashkal | NeoTron: That was my insipration |
| 22:40.14 | NightHawkTheSane | im just saying, the only difference than , for example, T8-BoE-Craftable requiring a non-binding Raid drop and it creating something like the above, is that either: a) people will buy the drop on the AH or b) people will buy slots in a raid to loot the drop. |
| 22:40.44 | Dashkal | (b) is fine |
| 22:40.50 | Dashkal | (b) happens all the time |
| 22:40.58 | NightHawkTheSane | and a is not? there's no difference between the two |
| 22:41.36 | Dashkal | what a strange world you live in. Monochrome, not even shades of grey |
| 22:41.58 | NightHawkTheSane | in terms of end result, they are the same. |
| 22:42.07 | NightHawkTheSane | money changes hands, person who wants craftable gets it.. *shrug* |
| 22:42.10 | Dashkal | b doesn't guarentee a damn thing. The item has to drop |
| 22:42.34 | NightHawkTheSane | that's a technicality, we could say "buys a slot in the raid UNTIL it drops" |
| 22:42.41 | Dashkal | which is why its fine and no different than selling a slot to gear out a toon |
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| 22:43.06 | NightHawkTheSane | i still don't see how that's different than selling a non-bindnig raid drop on the open market though |
| 22:43.17 | NightHawkTheSane | (be it a crafting ingredient or a BoE item) |
| 22:43.36 | Dashkal | "i still don't see how that's different". Sorry, I can't account for choosing not to care about the 'technicalities' |
| 22:44.00 | Olorin | surely buying a slot on a raid is more hamful to raid than buying the item off the ah? |
| 22:44.06 | Dashkal | ^^ |
| 22:44.24 | NightHawkTheSane | if the raid's at a point where they're not looting the item to their own members first, they're probably farming the instance and can spare the slot |
| 22:44.28 | Dashkal | The selling guild needs to have the instance in question on farm so they can carry the buyer |
| 22:45.04 | Dashkal | And the buyer needs to have enough of a clue so as not to screw up the encounters anyway (crossing charges, to name an example). It's a much higher risk (and hence much more expensive) proposition than just buying teh vortex |
| 22:46.01 | NightHawkTheSane | arguably so. But your point is to restrict people from having t8 craftables if they aren't doing t8 content.. and that doesn't do that. |
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| 22:46.25 | Dashkal | My point is to restrict t8 craftables to the same set of people who can obtain t8 drops. And it DOES do that. |
| 22:46.44 | NightHawkTheSane | so ultimately, it's just a (fairly minor in my opinion) higher barrier to entry |
| 22:47.33 | Dashkal | There is no practical way to block people from selling raid slots, so I don't see how it matters. It's much more expensive (time, gold, whatever) to buy a raid slot than it is to simply buy an item |
| 22:47.45 | Dashkal | To put it simply, you have to work harder at it |
| 22:47.50 | Dashkal | which is the whole point |
| 22:48.17 | Olorin | Dashkal, why should they be excluded? I personally havnt gotten into raiding but I enjoy playing PvE with best gear I can get /earn through tradeskills or whatever, I dont see why I should be excluded.. I accept that I will never get certain gear via PvP |
| 22:48.40 | NightHawkTheSane | from a game design perspective, i don't see the value in that, though. Ultimately, the end result is that non-t8 people will get t8 gear, so why include ONLY those with the excessive time and money to buy a raid slot? |
| 22:48.48 | Dashkal | Olorin: Gear is given (ideally) as a reward for skill. If you can't get into that raid, you don't get the drops at that level |
| 22:49.04 | NightHawkTheSane | that's not really true at the moment, though |
| 22:49.07 | KarlKFI | why do they need to be restricted to raiders anyway? |
| 22:49.28 | KarlKFI | if you can shell out the $ for the boe mats that drop ina raid instance |
| 22:49.30 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: Given the alternative that they chose is to simple not make any such gear whatsoever, there is no point. From an operational point of view, once you have blacksmithing up to the level for the gloves and bracer gems, leveling it further is pointless |
| 22:50.00 | Dashkal | Now from a money-making point of view, by all means, level it further |
| 22:50.03 | KarlKFI | not true, the helm and boots are nice till you get 25man replacements |
| 22:50.10 | Dashkal | KarlKFI: buy them |
| 22:50.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Actually, from a different tack: why make a bop-crafting-ingrdient rather than just beef up the bop-item drops? |
| 22:50.29 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: why not both? |
| 22:50.35 | Olorin | The problem with that Dashkal is you get a cenario like Everquest... only raiders could handle the next expansion etc.. When the last expasnion came out for EQ when I finished I couldnt even tank the easiest instance.. not because I ddnt have the skill but I didnt raid... |
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| 22:51.04 | Dashkal | Olorin: warcraft is designed against that. You don't need gear to start on a new expansion. You DO need the gear to start on a new tier of raiding content |
| 22:51.09 | NightHawkTheSane | well, what im saying, is that there doesn't seem to be a difference between a bop-item drop and a craftable requiring a bop-ingredient. So why jump through 3 extra hoops? |
| 22:51.41 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: Given your habit of reducing mechanics as much as you possibly can, there is no point. I'm not going to spend more time trying to convince you |
| 22:52.28 | NightHawkTheSane | well, thats what i'm actively trying to do. reduce the mechanic to it's core, because everything else is fluff :p |
| 22:52.44 | Dashkal | Done |
| 22:52.46 | Olorin | NightwawkTheSane: Its a matter of enjoing tradeskills, clicking combine and making stuff |
| 22:52.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: i love p&p gaming ;) |
| 22:52.57 | KarlKFI | imo dont restrict craftables to raiders. that would make crafting actually worth leveling |
| 22:53.08 | Dashkal | And I'm dead serious there. The game boils down to timing and the all-mighty RNG |
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| 22:53.48 | Dashkal | KarlKFI: there's already T7 level craftables that are BoE. This idea simply allows them to add gear at the T8 and higher ilvl to tradeskills |
| 22:54.20 | Dashkal | This early in the expansion, they simply aren't going to open later tier gear to lower (or non) tier players |
| 22:54.31 | KarlKFI | why not? |
| 22:54.48 | Dashkal | Defeats the point of raiding. |
| 22:54.49 | KarlKFI | honer gear anyone? |
| 22:55.06 | Dashkal | only the blues require no arena points, and the purps require rating |
| 22:55.09 | KarlKFI | you only raid to loot craftables? |
| 22:55.14 | Dashkal | erm, crafted blues no arena points |
| 22:55.15 | NightHawkTheSane | well, Dashkal has a point. they don't want to repeat the frozen shadowaeve issue |
| 22:55.24 | Dashkal | ^^^^^ |
| 22:55.53 | Dashkal | Still bitter about the blue pvp set requiring arena points. Damn glad I made myself the blacksmithing pvp plate |
| 22:56.05 | NightHawkTheSane | so not allowing t8+ level craftables with non-raid-drop mats is probably a good thing |
| 22:56.12 | Dashkal | And I'll be making much more of those pieces to sell to other players who don't want to arena |
| 22:56.48 | Dashkal | The only real difference between my idea and (with BoP vorticies) Stormhearald is the items won't be restricted to blacksmiths. |
| 22:57.07 | NightHawkTheSane | *sigh* flying into dalaran and not getting a parachute is frustrating |
| 22:57.23 | Dashkal | I try to always fly in the sewer pipe... I've had accidents before |
| 22:57.36 | KarlKFI | imo, make the boe mats only lootable by blacksmiths with high enough lvl |
| 22:57.46 | NightHawkTheSane | it seems to be related to lag of some kind.. |
| 22:57.54 | KarlKFI | then they can sell it to whomever they want |
| 22:58.17 | KarlKFI | or bop mats |
| 22:58.31 | Dashkal | I get massive client lag when I come into Dalaran from loading all the player textures |
| 22:58.48 | KarlKFI | so you can only loot the mats if you're a BS and it makes boe items you can sell to whoever |
| 22:58.50 | Lunessa | This just in, Fire still hot. |
| 22:58.55 | Dashkal | Flying in from above is a dangerous idea. I can get away with it if I stop just outside the no-fly wall and load |
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| 22:59.23 | KarlKFI | oo oo, i know... raid instance rep |
| 22:59.25 | Dashkal | KarlKFI: the purpose is to keep tier 8 gear away from players not running tier 8 content. And that's blizzard's call (one I agree with). It's not changing this early in the expansion |
| 22:59.36 | KarlKFI | and the craftables require the rep to equip |
| 23:00.06 | Dashkal | at first I thought "yech" but yeah, that would accomplish the goal AND block slot selling at the same time |
| 23:00.09 | NightHawkTheSane | KarlKFI: as long as the rep is only available by actually raiding, and is kept low (friendly/honored) that might work |
| 23:00.43 | KarlKFI | genious. imma patant it |
| 23:00.46 | Dashkal | Another route would be to require a small number of tier emblems. Combine with 15 valor tokens for an item that would cost 80 if bought entirely with tokens |
| 23:00.55 | NightHawkTheSane | although maybe revered. exalted seems far too painful though. The person would be likely to replace the item before then |
| 23:01.05 | Thunder_Child | is it really so hard to find large polarized wrap-around sunglasses? |
| 23:01.14 | Dashkal | exalted would be for gear that's the same ilvl as the end-boss |
| 23:01.14 | KarlKFI | hard |
| 23:01.19 | KarlKFI | i tried TC |
| 23:01.34 | Thunder_Child | KarlKFI, what did you end up going with? |
| 23:01.52 | Dashkal | Since the end boss appears to be a tier higher than the others (KT10 drops the same level gear as Naxx25 normal bosses) |
| 23:02.11 | KarlKFI | found a vendor at the swap meet that sells some crappy ones so i just buy new ones every 6mo |
| 23:02.20 | KarlKFI | for like $10 |
| 23:02.33 | KarlKFI | how about this: one-time use recipes |
| 23:02.42 | KarlKFI | boe |
| 23:02.51 | KarlKFI | mmm |
| 23:02.52 | KarlKFI | nah |
| 23:03.07 | KarlKFI | bop but you can cast it on other people.... |
| 23:03.09 | Dashkal | That's actually more or less what I suggested. One time use, usable by anybody, requires a raid drop |
| 23:03.10 | KarlKFI | nah |
| 23:03.37 | Lunessa | So go on out and get yourself some thick black frames; with the glass so dark they won't even know your name. The choice is up to you; they come in two classes, "Righteous Shades" and "Cheap Sun-Glasses!" |
| 23:03.39 | KarlKFI | i like the rep idea better |
| 23:04.25 | NightHawkTheSane | course, with rep, why bother with a craftable when you may as well just make it vendor purchased |
| 23:04.34 | Dashkal | eh, fun thought experiment. I'm not willing to deal with the cesspool that is the forums so I'll never post the idea |
| 23:04.41 | KarlKFI | it's to motivate crafting |
| 23:05.00 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: the point is to give the crafter some way to use their profession (to craft stuff!) in tier content |
| 23:05.24 | KarlKFI | make the plans a rep buy or rep with tokens or something |
| 23:05.27 | KarlKFI | or a drop |
| 23:05.36 | KarlKFI | and then make the item itself req rep |
| 23:05.43 | KarlKFI | and make the mats easy |
| 23:05.46 | Dashkal | The idea isn't to make more gear available, but to give smiths something to do withotu violating the "raid tier 8 to get t8 gear) rule |
| 23:05.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: yeah. i understand that, but everything seems to be "add a bunch of hoops to get an item to patronize crafters" :p |
| 23:05.57 | Dashkal | <-- wants to be patronized |
| 23:06.17 | KarlKFI | <- too |
| 23:06.23 | Dashkal | I get my Titansteel destroyer either tonight or tomorrow. Aside from a couple other pieces I'm done with the profession |
| 23:06.24 | NightHawkTheSane | I think, on some level, the fundamental issue is wow's item drop design doesn't play well with boe-craftables |
| 23:07.09 | Dashkal | Ignoring the extra sockets for that purpose. That being the real reason I took the profession. But I got those at 400ish. I want there to be a purpose to gaining the other 40 points |
| 23:07.39 | Dashkal | I expect more recipies in the future regardless. It's kind of odd that it stops at 440 rather than 450 |
| 23:10.21 | Duman | lol: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13594100275&sid=1 |
| 23:10.57 | Olorin | Supposidly they are going to add the self only recepies soon, hope they add another to the epecialist armorsmithing so I can upgrade my pally BP |
| 23:11.10 | Olorin | specialist* |
| 23:11.13 | Aelobin | lol at the link |
| 23:11.52 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/9741/kek.jpg |
| 23:12.53 | zenzelezz | would be more fun if it didn't say "lossers" |
| 23:13.28 | NightHawkTheSane | i am so NOT lossy. |
| 23:13.47 | zenzelezz | but you're sadly variable bit rate :-/ |
| 23:13.56 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed :( |
| 23:14.06 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/7181/2girls1cupessay-ebd.jpg |
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| 23:14.29 | Thunder_Child | not nsfw unless you get in trouble for text |
| 23:15.12 | zenzelezz | I found it funny |
| 23:15.15 | Thunder_Child | it's rather amusing, and i feel sorry for the teacher grading the paper |
| 23:15.28 | zenzelezz | TC: especially having to pretend he didn't understand it! |
| 23:15.43 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz, ya, i wasnt sure what to make of that |
| 23:15.49 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/1268/vwLmN4r4cH.jpg |
| 23:15.55 | Thunder_Child | ^^ aslo rather amusing |
| 23:16.02 | zenzelezz | "explain more"... I don't think you'd want that, mr. Teacher |
| 23:16.03 | Shirik | eh, The server at fukung.net is taking too long to respond. |
| 23:18.01 | NightHawkTheSane | haha.. "dice bags (with the Crown Royal still in them)," that's my kind of dice bag. |
| 23:20.34 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/6796/5z6vt4n.jpg |
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| 23:22.38 | Dashkal | That one just makes me sad. I expect it |
| 23:25.07 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/7748/7yfn3er.jpg |
| 23:26.12 | Lunessa | If this is your forum .sig "I am Fedelis. I'm am an attention whore. I will turn your threads and make them about me. I am a troll. Your tears give me life sustaining nutrients." why should I bother helping you? |
| 23:27.25 | KarlKFI | trolls help trolls |
| 23:27.51 | KarlKFI | :P |
| 23:28.20 | KarlKFI | unless of course you're of different warring tribes of trolls |
| 23:28.46 | KarlKFI | in which case you cut off their arm and make them an instance boss |
| 23:28.49 | clad|sleep | amor amantes amat |
| 23:30.53 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/430/366.jpg |
| 23:31.09 | Kraps | i just installed DrDamage and i get this error http://pastebin.com/d2c190a2e |
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| 23:32.11 | Amarande | Evening :) |
| 23:32.24 | Thunder_Child | some people have way to much time http://fukung.net/v/10713/l_442_soccer-guy.jpg |
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| 23:33.46 | Kalroth | http://fukung.net/v/11173/wbclec.gif this dude is pretty calm |
| 23:33.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: says the guy clicking through images on fukung.net |
| 23:34.47 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, i was waiting for someone to say something. thank you |
| 23:34.47 | Arrowmaster | his camera just got hit by a car and broken and he goes to take a picture of the car that hit it |
| 23:35.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: sorry i was too busy clicking through some images ;) |
| 23:35.21 | Arrowmaster | or atleast i see something black flying up which i assume is from his camera |
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| 23:36.05 | Thunder_Child | ahhhhhh, this is so bad http://fukung.net/v/2309/AYBABTU_startrek.jpg |
| 23:36.12 | WobWork | Tekkub: http://www.rocketworld.org/men's_shag_master_creature_hoodie.htm |
| 23:36.14 | Kraps | can someone check out the link i posted? |
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| 23:36.50 | kd3 | did drdamage get updated for 3.x yet? |
| 23:37.01 | Arrowmaster | i thought so |
| 23:37.12 | kd3 | you'll want to bitch in #wowace either way, it's an ace lib dependency problem |
| 23:37.14 | NightHawkTheSane | i think so, or at least someone's been committing something to it |
| 23:37.51 | Arrowmaster | it likely doesnt use that library anymore |
| 23:37.59 | Kraps | the guys says its in beta thought, so maybe thats the problem |
| 23:38.12 | NightHawkTheSane | feh, what on wowace isn't? |
| 23:38.14 | Thunder_Child | it was updated 2 days ago |
| 23:38.27 | Amarande | yay, new pvp gear is out |
| 23:38.31 | Amarande | btw, something I can never quite remember |
| 23:38.42 | Amarande | do you have to maintain the required arena rating to keep using arena gear, or only to obtain it in the first place? |
| 23:39.08 | NightHawkTheSane | if you lose the rating, you can keep the gear equipped, but blizzard thugs come and break all your fingers. |
| 23:39.22 | Kraps | :O |
| 23:39.33 | Tem|afk | Amarande, you do not need to the keep the rating |
| 23:39.38 | KarlKFI | haven't had to maintain it int he past |
| 23:39.47 | Tem|afk | The only time that has ever been required was in the original Honor system |
| 23:39.50 | Lunessa | The enter ur base n kill ur doods. |
| 23:40.04 | Tem|afk | you had to maintain your rank to equip the armor |
| 23:40.14 | Tem|afk | and that was changed pretty quickly |
| 23:40.36 | Lunessa | Mostly because in the tiered honor system no one had the stamina to keep up eith decay. |
| 23:40.39 | Amarande | Night: well, I know most item requirements, if you stop meeting them, the item becomes red and useless |
| 23:41.03 | Amarande | like when people tried to grind enchanting to get the ring enchants and then drop it, and now the ring enchants say 'Enchantment requires Enchanting (XXX)' |
| 23:41.29 | Pneumatus | Kraps: the latest DrDamage doesn't even reference SpecialEvents-Aura in its code, so whatever version you've got isnt the latest :o |
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| 23:42.15 | Amarande | Also ... |
| 23:42.24 | Amarande | was 70 honor gear completely removed from the game, now there's only 60 and 80? |
| 23:42.39 | Amarande | I don't seem to see it on any of the vendors in Org |
| 23:42.45 | Amarande | although the 60 stuff is still around, go figure :S |
| 23:42.53 | NightHawkTheSane | the 70 honor gear is still there, but if you buy it and equip it, blizzard thugs come out and break your arms. |
| 23:43.08 | Amarande | ... |
| 23:43.15 | Thunder_Child | amusing but VNSFW http://fukung.net/v/6353/computer.jpg |
| 23:43.19 | Amarande | Night: like I said, I do not appear to see any 70 honor gear on the vendors in Orgrimmar. |
| 23:43.24 | Kraps | Pneumatus: :O wowi doesnt have the latest version |
| 23:43.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: probably a good thing, unless you like having your arms broken |
| 23:43.56 | Pneumatus | Kraps: it's developed on wowace, and the latest is on curse |
| 23:44.10 | Kraps | ya i see it |
| 23:44.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: that's. awesome. |
| 23:44.30 | NightHawkTheSane | also, why did that first image have to be that one. >< |
| 23:44.30 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, and rather apt as well |
| 23:44.43 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed |
| 23:44.46 | Thunder_Child | got your attention didnt it |
| 23:45.19 | chris_s | Is it possible to attach a script to a FontString ? I want to be able to set the text to an itemLink text, and have clicks link to the object. |
| 23:45.23 | mikma | http://media.fukung.net/images/3805/Ninja%20Tea%20Party.jpg |
| 23:46.50 | KarlKFI | no. wrap it ina frame or button |
| 23:47.59 | NightHawkTheSane | yay, bacon! |
| 23:48.36 | KarlKFI | ~eat NightHawkTheSane |
| 23:48.37 | purl | That's too disgusting. |
| 23:48.37 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 23:48.37 | Cralor` | ~nom NightHawkTheSane |
| 23:48.38 | Cralor` | ~nomnom |
| 23:48.41 | KarlKFI | lol |
| 23:48.43 | Cralor` | lol |
| 23:48.52 | NightHawkTheSane | purl, agreed |
| 23:48.54 | Cralor` | that was delayed |
| 23:48.56 | Kraps | wow its cool, it updates in real time with shadow weaving |
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| 23:49.27 | Dashkal | How good is your hearing? http://journal.plasticmind.com/ears/mosquito-tone-or-how-to-tell-youre-a-youngun/ |
| 23:49.50 | Shirik | old news is old |
| 23:49.59 | Shirik | I can hear up to 17KHz |
| 23:50.04 | Shirik | We did this test in DSP :) |
| 23:50.18 | Dashkal | I think I heard 18, but it was faint enough I'm not sure. 17 for sure |
| 23:50.24 | Dashkal | My ears are ringing now |
| 23:50.27 | Cralor` | lol |
| 23:50.29 | Shirik | heh |
| 23:50.37 | Cralor` | 18 for teh youngin <-- |
| 23:50.46 | chris_s | suppose i catch the mouse clicks in the parent frame, determine which fontstring was clicked on, how do I "open" the link ? |
| 23:50.47 | Dashkal | 27 so not too shabby |
| 23:51.30 | KarlKFI | my compy at work has crappy sound feedback |
| 23:52.19 | Dashkal | I'm not entirely sure it wasn't just my headphones or onboard clipping off that range. Not something I'm so concerned about that I'll find good hardware for :p |
| 23:52.22 | Cralor` | mikma: i see the change ;) |
| 23:52.34 | Shirik | Your headphones should be capable of producing any sound up to 21KHz |
| 23:52.38 | Olorin | chris_s what link are you refering to? |
| 23:52.43 | Shirik | if it can't, then there's something very wrong with them |
| 23:52.54 | Shirik | (same with your sound card) |
| 23:52.54 | Dashkal | Shirik: mmm. Like I said, it was so faint I really don't know |
| 23:53.08 | Shirik | heh :) |
| 23:53.11 | Dashkal | Eh, onboard DSP has screwed me on odd ways before. But a work PC doesn't need a dedicated card |
| 23:53.32 | mikma | cralor`: cookies |
| 23:53.37 | Cralor` | yea |
| 23:53.38 | KarlKFI | fun clicking multiple |
| 23:53.59 | Shirik | Still, all playback DACs use 44KHz sampling these days, so if your hardware can't support that, that's bad |
| 23:54.24 | KarlKFI | win2k ftw |
| 23:54.26 | Thunder_Child | every one of thoes freq hurt except the 17 and 18 |
| 23:54.33 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:54.39 | Shirik | because you can't hear 17 and 18? |
| 23:54.44 | chris_s | suppose I set the text of the fontstring to the results of GetInventoryItemLink, and later determine a click was made inside the rect of that fontstring ... how do i simulate a click in the text like the chat windows ? |
| 23:54.45 | zenzelezz | I remember 48kHz was the buzz for a while, is the difference between 44 and 48 really noticable? |
| 23:54.47 | Thunder_Child | i can they were just mich lower |
| 23:54.50 | Thunder_Child | much* |
| 23:54.59 | Amarande | zenzelezz: it's probably mostly technical, like video cards and 24 vs. 32 bit color |
| 23:55.07 | Shirik | not really |
| 23:55.22 | Amarande | I've never quite been able to figure out what 32 bit color -on a video card- is for, since I always thought the other eight bits were the alpha channel |
| 23:55.25 | Shirik | The BIG deal is 90KHz these days, but that's only for recording |
| 23:55.30 | Thunder_Child | well the 18khz is just on the edge, not bad for my age |
| 23:55.35 | zenzelezz | Amarande: it is |
| 23:55.39 | Amarande | however, the alpha channel only makes sense for files, not an actual full screen display, no? |
| 23:55.41 | Dashkal | Shirik: well, lemme put it this way. My chipset chip was overheating the other day (fan died, had to mount another one on top, wee) and I lost some but not all sound channels. |
| 23:55.44 | Shirik | But the difference between 44 and 48 is only 2KHz |
| 23:55.54 | Shirik | and at that, it's already way over what you can hear |
| 23:56.04 | cbreak | Amarande: the src and dst alpha matter depending on the OpenGL compositing function |
| 23:56.13 | Shirik | The only reason I could see you would want to have that difference is if you're computing some kind of high quality FFT |
| 23:56.17 | Olorin | chris_s for what purpose? |
| 23:56.23 | Shirik | But in that case you would probably not do that over analog sources |
| 23:56.25 | Dashkal | Having no idea why it failed that way, I don't really expect much of anything. Good to know it's prolly not the hardware, though |
| 23:56.47 | Amarande | what *does* seem dumb is the 120Hz LCD's |
| 23:56.49 | cbreak | also, 32 bit can be nicer packed than 24 bit :) |
| 23:57.02 | Shirik | True, but sound doesn't follow that pattern :) |
| 23:57.07 | Amarande | After all, the human eye can't actually see more than what, 20 FPS or so before it blends into smooth motion? |
| 23:57.19 | Shirik | The sample rate is meaningless when you're talking about each sample's size |
| 23:57.20 | Amarande | I know TV and the movies use 24, and that's too fast for the eye to see as distinct frames |
| 23:57.28 | mikma | http://fukung.net/v/11106/4d1a8258d6d41d99861fbcf2b6d1ea62.jpg |
| 23:57.38 | cbreak | TV uses 50 or 60 |
| 23:57.43 | mikma | cruel, but so so funny |
| 23:57.45 | cbreak | depending on if you are in the US or Europe |
| 23:57.46 | KarlKFI | distinct frames sure, but you sure can tell the diff between 30 and 60 fps |
| 23:57.50 | Amarande | And the only reason that even 75, 85 Hz screen refresh mattered was pretty much in the CRT days, when 60 Hz would cause cruel eye discomfort |
| 23:57.51 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/4981/wowmount.jpg |
| 23:57.59 | Amarande | but you don't get that with flat panels |
| 23:58.06 | Amarande | so, what's the draw of 120Hz flat panels then? |
| 23:58.07 | zenzelezz | didn't HP make a really-high color range monitor a little while ago; more than 8 bits per channel? |
| 23:58.32 | Amarande | zenzelezz: how many people really have eyes good enough to tell more than 8 bits per channel, anyway? |
| 23:58.47 | cbreak | amarande, eyes don't work like that |
| 23:58.48 | mikma | tekkub: http://media.fukung.net/images/6740/snifftehnutsfw2.jpg |
| 23:58.53 | Amarande | e.g., how many of us could even tell the difference between, say, color 800000 and 810000? |
| 23:58.54 | cbreak | you can notice banding easily |
| 23:58.56 | zenzelezz | Amarande: I sure don't, but I'm sure there's a demand |
| 23:59.01 | cbreak | because the yes amplify differences |
| 23:59.04 | Shirik | PAL is 25 fps, cbreak |
| 23:59.16 | cbreak | 50 half frames :) |
| 23:59.18 | Amarande | cbreak: you can tell the difference between red 80 and red 81 next to each other? |
| 23:59.24 | Olorin | Amarande they dont require refreshing because the picture dosnt fade if not refreshed like crt |
| 23:59.26 | cbreak | depends |
| 23:59.37 | NeoTron | Amarande: the human eye can notice around 50-60 Hz |
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