| 00:00.01 | Shirik|Ecole | cbreak: /dev/random never returns on my box |
| 00:00.14 | cbreak | you can't read from it? |
| 00:00.17 | Shirik|Ecole | nope |
| 00:00.19 | Shirik|Ecole | I think it has something to do with insufficient entropy |
| 00:00.31 | Shirik|Ecole | I know this because for the longest time, fisheye wouldn't start on my server |
| 00:00.39 | Shirik|Ecole | because it tries to use /dev/random and it goes into an infinite loop waiting |
| 00:00.43 | cbreak | hmm... os x uses yarrow and feeds entropy from the kernel all the time |
| 00:00.47 | WobWork | woooaaaaah ... for the longest time |
| 00:00.53 | Shirik|Ecole | so I had to override it to use /dev/urandom |
| 00:00.57 | cbreak | it never waits for more |
| 00:01.18 | Shirik|Ecole | oh shit |
| 00:01.23 | Shirik|Ecole | man /dev/urandom is NOT what you intend to write |
| 00:01.44 | Codayus_ | lol |
| 00:02.31 | cbreak | have you tried to write random stuff to /dev/random to feed it entropy? |
| 00:02.37 | Duman | haha |
| 00:02.45 | Shirik|Ecole | uh |
| 00:02.49 | Shirik|Ecole | the purpose of this being? >.> |
| 00:03.00 | cbreak | being able to read from it :) |
| 00:03.04 | WobWork | The eventual breakdown of the universe? |
| 00:03.07 | Shirik|Ecole | why wouldn't I just use /dev/urandom ? |
| 00:03.17 | WobWork | it's not as cool as /dev/random |
| 00:03.23 | cbreak | because urandom is less random on systems with blocking random |
| 00:03.38 | Shirik|Ecole | because feeding entropy in a non-random form makes it more random |
| 00:03.55 | cbreak | you have to write random stuff, not non-random :) |
| 00:04.02 | Shirik|Ecole | and where does the random stuff come from? |
| 00:04.19 | cbreak | you. echo <insert random keyboard presses> > /dev/random |
| 00:04.21 | Duman | entropy on teh machine |
| 00:04.27 | Shirik|Ecole | forever? |
| 00:04.29 | Duman | interrupts, etc |
| 00:04.31 | cbreak | or the kernel. read something from proc or what ever. volatile statistics |
| 00:04.31 | Shirik|Ecole | until the universe implodes? |
| 00:04.40 | cbreak | until there's enough entropy |
| 00:04.51 | Duman | use urandom - it will always return enough bytes of data |
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| 00:05.02 | |Jelly| | So yeah ... there are places in Wrath where you can't fly, right? ... they program you for 7 levels to nit hit your flyer but rather your land ... and then this crap happens. http://i36.tinypic.com/ru4m4w.jpg |
| 00:05.03 | Shirik|Ecole | Duman: we've already been over that :P |
| 00:05.06 | Shirik|Ecole | he doesn't want to |
| 00:05.07 | cbreak | of potentially non-random quality |
| 00:05.20 | Shirik|Ecole | How about we feed the entropy pool with /dev/urandom |
| 00:05.21 | Duman | dude |
| 00:05.26 | Duman | then get a busier machine |
| 00:05.31 | Duman | nothing else you can do |
| 00:05.38 | Duman | if you don't want some "generated" randomness |
| 00:05.50 | Shirik|Ecole | I personally like this site I found not too long ago |
| 00:05.57 | Duman | either wait for data from /dev/random... or use /dev/urandom |
| 00:06.06 | Shirik|Ecole | they point satellites at the sky and feed their entropy pool from space |
| 00:06.10 | Shirik|Ecole | just from the noise of the universe |
| 00:06.11 | Duman | hah nice |
| 00:06.12 | cbreak | or use a rng that doesn't need to wait for entropy :) |
| 00:06.20 | cbreak | like fortuna or yarrow |
| 00:06.26 | Shirik|Ecole | here it is:http://www.random.org/ |
| 00:08.17 | cbreak | http://www.randomnumbers.info/ (quantum random numbers > astrophysical random numbers) |
| 00:09.18 | Duman | sweet, whenever I want a random number, I'll hit |
| 00:09.18 | Duman | http://www.random.org/integers/?num=1&min=1&max=100&col=1&base=10&format=plain&rnd=new |
| 00:13.15 | WobWork | I should make a random number website |
| 00:13.23 | WobWork | and have it return "NINE" each time it's called |
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| 00:17.02 | abyx | what is the pattern i'd need to use in string.gmatch() to separate a comma delimited string to a table? i'm so terrible with regex =\ |
| 00:17.20 | cbreak | 9 (Decided upon by a fair dice roll with a d12) |
| 00:17.41 | WobWork | explode? |
| 00:18.07 | cbreak | something like "([^,]+)," I would say |
| 00:18.25 | Amarande | Wob: "this site rolls nine one-sided dice and returns the result for you, the desirant of a random number" |
| 00:18.28 | cbreak | maybe add some things to ignore white space |
| 00:18.56 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/221/ |
| 00:19.08 | WobWork | yeah, but dilbert had it first =( |
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| 00:20.05 | WobWork | http://www.virtualp.us/Dilbert-Oct_25_001.jpg |
| 00:22.19 | Tekkub | mmmmm.... LDB has overtaken Titan and FuBar on WOWI |
| 00:22.23 | Tekkub | I'm happy now :) |
| 00:22.44 | alestane | What's LDB? |
| 00:22.51 | Tekkub | you're fired |
| 00:23.14 | End | lol |
| 00:23.19 | alestane | I've never cared about any info bar add-on, so it's nothing personal. |
| 00:23.19 | Corr-work | i haven't heard of it, so it MUST be obscure |
| 00:23.56 | mikma | bah, why does my game gfx keep on chopping :P i need to alt-tab to windows and back to make it NOT do that |
| 00:23.58 | Tekkub | LDB isn't an infobar though! |
| 00:24.00 | Tekkub | it's just info |
| 00:24.46 | Amarande | mikma: your graphics card needs a stimulant |
| 00:24.47 | End | lies |
| 00:24.49 | End | it's not info |
| 00:24.50 | End | it's data! |
| 00:24.53 | Amarande | try spilling more starbucks on your machine next time :) |
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| 00:57.33 | Duman | boo. |
| 00:57.38 | Duman | Shutting this machine off tomorrow: |
| 00:57.38 | Duman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.40 | Duman | :( |
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| 00:58.18 | Lunessa | Holy hell. People want me to do strange things. "I need help with Excel" apparently means "build me a spreadsheet to calculate my grades for me.:" |
| 01:00.07 | Codayus_ | Heh |
| 01:00.21 | Codayus_ | I am constantly amazed at the inability of people to figure out Excel. :( |
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| 01:01.58 | mikma | so, this happened: |
| 01:01.59 | mikma | [02:51:52] [P] [Snusnu]: Vyragosa, lvl80 Rare-Elite Dragonkin (hp:100%), Hostile |
| 01:02.02 | mikma | i lolled |
| 01:02.05 | mikma | [02:53:34] [Narydia] invited you to a group, but you could not accept because you are already in a group. |
| 01:03.35 | mikma | when he invited me and my wife to a group, the mob was on 10% hp ^^ |
| 01:04.48 | Lunessa | They're like I need it to do X. I said, sure, let me show you how to do some basic calculations. And then they're like "the professor told me you'd make it for me. Let me show you what I need."" Um... No. |
| 01:06.10 | Lunessa | I'm happy to show you how to do something, or even teach you how something works. I'm not going to do it for you. |
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| 01:32.53 | Shirik | let's get it on |
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| 01:42.27 | cog|away | Shirik: NO U! |
| 01:42.31 | Shirik | wtf I did |
| 01:42.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: looking for Cidan? |
| 01:42.45 | Shirik | uh |
| 01:42.49 | Shirik | not entirely, why? :/ |
| 01:43.01 | cog|away | 17:32 <@Shirik> let's get it on |
| 01:43.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
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| 01:58.08 | cog|away | <3 Uncle Lunessa |
| 01:58.10 | cog|away | ;) |
| 01:58.19 | Lunessa | LOL |
| 01:58.22 | kd3 | what the hell emote goes "This is madness!" |
| 01:59.32 | End | the darkmoon trinket |
| 02:12.24 | Lunessa | This is NORTHREND! |
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| 02:15.42 | AbsoRayne | I love my polar bear mount, but its so tiny :( |
| 02:16.13 | mikma | the one from the lootbag? |
| 02:18.00 | AbsoRayne | Yeah |
| 02:18.04 | AbsoRayne | I got it yesterday |
| 02:18.30 | Lunessa | I <3 my job, but really... users can be really spooky sometimes. |
| 02:18.30 | mikma | nice, gz =) |
| 02:19.58 | cogwheel | anyone notice health potions look dim on the action bars? |
| 02:20.18 | Lunessa | I thought it was all in my head. |
| 02:20.19 | cogwheel | (no addons) |
| 02:20.32 | Amarande | cogwheel: are you still in combat after using one? |
| 02:20.45 | cogwheel | i'm in ironforge... |
| 02:20.50 | cogwheel | after logging out |
| 02:20.55 | Codayus_ | Heh |
| 02:23.08 | Cairenn | Kemayo_: ping? |
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| 02:28.44 | kryps | I'd like to edit the graphics of my hot bar. I've done image editing before, and am familiar with the formats. Just wondering how I access the image files of WoW, edit them, and save them appropriately back for WoW use. Where would I start? |
| 02:30.51 | mikma | yes, hugging cairenn is a good start. |
| 02:31.03 | Cairenn | :) |
| 02:31.52 | cogwheel | anyone notice that mountable areas were tweaked in front of buildings, bridges, and such? |
| 02:31.58 | Lunessa | kryps: You probably want the UI extraction tool and then you'll need to know the path to the art you want to replace. |
| 02:32.03 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: like? |
| 02:32.04 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Yes. |
| 02:32.14 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: like the stone walkways in front of barracks |
| 02:32.17 | ScytheBlade1 | As compared to what I recall from beta no |
| 02:32.23 | ScytheBlade1 | In SW? |
| 02:32.39 | cogwheel | no ... the generic barracks buildings... |
| 02:32.42 | cogwheel | like in theramore |
| 02:32.44 | kryps | Lunessa, is there a tool to re-import it, or am I to make a mod folder out this. |
| 02:32.45 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 02:32.45 | cogwheel | or nethergarde |
| 02:32.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Can't say I've been around there recently ;) |
| 02:32.56 | cogwheel | and steps leading up to some buildings |
| 02:33.06 | Lunessa | Kryps, you just make a folder that has the same path, and a file with the same name. |
| 02:33.06 | cogwheel | and cave entrances |
| 02:33.33 | cogwheel | i'm probably comparing with 2.x though, since i didn't spend much time on beta |
| 02:34.06 | Lunessa | For example, I replace the graphics for tooltips. I have a folder in Interface called Tooltips with my art in there. |
| 02:40.17 | kryps | im searching the wow ui forums for 'ui extraction tool', and im finding threads that talk about it, but nothing that tells me where to download it. |
| 02:40.28 | Cairenn | ~framexml |
| 02:40.29 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 02:40.43 | Cairenn | kryps: ^^ |
| 02:41.01 | kryps | cool, thanks |
| 02:41.09 | Shirik | Adobe Flash Player: "A script in this movie is causing Adobe Flash Player 10 to run slowly. If it continues to run, your computer may become unresponsive. Do you want to abort this script?" |
| 02:41.15 | Shirik | I try to click yes BUT THE COMPUTER'S ALREADY LOCKED UP |
| 02:41.39 | Cairenn | =/ |
| 02:43.29 | cogwheel | 239 experience-giving kills out of 498... |
| 02:43.37 | cogwheel | ^ deadmines run |
| 02:46.00 | cogwheel | (that was my wife's stat) |
| 02:46.24 | cogwheel | hmm... the difference between my total kills and my experience/honor-giving kills is critters |
| 02:46.34 | Lunessa | hahaha |
| 02:50.15 | kryps | cogwheel, you working on any mods for 3.0.* ? |
| 02:51.02 | kryps | cog |
| 02:51.06 | kryps | wheel |
| 02:51.07 | cogwheel | most of my mods work to a certain extent :P |
| 02:52.23 | kryps | i just saw your site. it looked like you gave up on cogsbar, and releasing the source code |
| 02:52.49 | Amarande | it always seems like you kill -way- more monsters than you actually do |
| 02:52.53 | cogwheel | yeah, but I explained my reasons for cogsbar... they don't apply to the rest of my mods |
| 02:53.06 | Amarande | kryps: aren't all addons open source anyway? :) |
| 02:53.07 | kryps | what other mods you working on? i can only see cogsbar on your workshop page |
| 02:53.26 | kryps | Amarande, yup. Forget I said the 'source code' part. |
| 02:53.44 | cogwheel | Click Interface List on the left |
| 02:53.58 | kryps | ahh, my bad |
| 02:54.22 | kryps | i clicked interface list, and only noticed that it went to wowinterface.com, then clicked back. didn't look at the page itself. ;) |
| 02:55.51 | cogwheel | that page _is_ wowinterface :P |
| 02:56.13 | cogwheel | (my portal) |
| 02:56.24 | cogwheel | it's a service they provide to addon authors :) |
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| 03:02.01 | bleeter | Nom-, Wobin, norgs, other aussies: The Greens have declared they won't support Clean Feed. The Govt needed them to get it through the senate. Looks like it's dead in the water. |
| 03:02.38 | Wobin | thank god |
| 03:02.50 | Wobin | go the greens! |
| 03:04.41 | abyx | does CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL fire from officer/guild/raid chat? |
| 03:04.57 | mikma | get devtools and see |
| 03:05.22 | Gngsk | CHAT_MSG_GUILD |
| 03:05.26 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:05.35 | Amarande | looks like metal prices are going to go through the roof on AH, if they haven't already |
| 03:05.44 | Codayus_ | Why? |
| 03:05.52 | Amarande | Codayus_: min/maxers flocking to BS for the extra sockets |
| 03:06.21 | Amarande | if they haven't already, they will when the epic gems come out |
| 03:06.35 | Amarande | since apparently they've balanced the other professions vs. BS assuming that you have blue gems in the extra sockets |
| 03:09.17 | Wobin | A comment by one of our users, in what could possibly be the mathgeekiest statement I've ever read: |
| 03:09.46 | Wobin | ... |
| 03:09.47 | Wobin | bah |
| 03:09.50 | Wobin | I can't copy paste |
| 03:10.04 | Lunessa | ~fail wobin |
| 03:10.05 | purl | wobin: FAIL! |
| 03:10.09 | Wobin | s'true |
| 03:10.22 | ajmitch | Amarande: the extra sockets really don't take that many mats |
| 03:10.43 | Wobin | " But like surfing, if you don't paddle, you can't get on the wave and surf it. You just bob up and down like y=sin x, rather than flying down steep asymptotes towards negative infinity (which is of course, tan x)... That's the key perhaps, "Extend the hypotenuse, turn your sin into a tan"... hrm, if my kids could get that, they might see a bit more.. or more likely they'd just groan..." |
| 03:10.47 | Lunessa | Yeah, and you learn all three pretty early. |
| 03:11.31 | kryps | haha, it started to get good, then died off slowly. |
| 03:11.51 | Amarande | ajmitch: It's more the matter of the possibility of people dropping their existing profession to get BS so they can have extra sockets, depending on how good the epic gems are |
| 03:12.04 | Codayus_ | Amarande: They're not that good. |
| 03:12.07 | Amarande | Like how the hardcore min/maxers dumped something else to pick up LW for drums during BC |
| 03:12.13 | ajmitch | that's about the only thing that blacksmithing has going for it |
| 03:12.23 | ajmitch | the profession benefits are fairly balanced |
| 03:12.24 | Codayus_ | And everyone's known about the professions for ages, so I dunno why'd you'd think this will cause a price change. :) |
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| 03:12.54 | Amarande | Codayus: currently, BS doesn't have an edge over other professions, because it's balanced based on blue gems in extra sockets, and proper Northrend epic gems aren't available yet |
| 03:13.07 | Codayus_ | For reference, blue gems would give 64 AP, LW bracer enchant gives 76 AP, and epic gems would give 80 AP. Just to pick something at random. |
| 03:13.08 | Amarande | the thoughts are for once the actual purple NR base gems and their cuts come out |
| 03:13.26 | Amarande | which is probably not going to be till T9, if BC is any indication |
| 03:14.03 | Amarande | though it also mattered more in BC because of sunwell |
| 03:14.30 | Amarande | guilds that weren't creme de la creme were struggling for reasonably rapid ways of boosting their raid dps for brut |
| 03:15.12 | Amarande | and WotLK isn't supposed to have any huge jumps like SWP was for BC |
| 03:19.43 | digmouse | I just expect LK raid instances wont get tooo much extreme like SWP |
| 03:20.11 | Amarande | the main thing about SWP was that it was too much of a jump from BT |
| 03:20.41 | Amarande | I guess it was fine for guilds that started early in BC and were probably able to take half a bottle of benadryl and still be able to farm BT like they'd just had a triple espresso |
| 03:21.06 | Amarande | on the other hand, newer guilds had a really rough time of getting geared well enough for some literally brutal gear checks in a reasonable amount of time |
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| 03:22.36 | digmouse | ye, a fluent pass from SSC/TK to MH/BT is good |
| 03:24.36 | Amarande | yeah, that difficulty flowed well |
| 03:24.41 | Amarande | to the point that some people even thought it odd |
| 03:25.07 | Lunessa | " reasonable amount of time" - I submit that there is no objective definition for this descriptive and it is used only by people who complain things aren't going "fast enough." |
| 03:25.28 | Amarande | since apparently a fair number of guilds were (after the attunement removals) able to move on to MH without too much trouble on the first few bosses, while still at the time not being able to handle Kael |
| 03:26.22 | Amarande | Lunessa: In Sunwell's case, I think it was mainly a matter of "how are we going to get geared for Sunwell before WotLK makes it yesterday's news" |
| 03:26.57 | Amarande | given how much time (pre-3.0 nerf) was needed to get geared up, and how little time was anticipated to do so before WotLK was expected to be due |
| 03:27.02 | Lunessa | The race is long, and in the end, only with yourself. *shrug* |
| 03:27.07 | Amarande | if anything, WotLK came out sooner than a lot of people expected |
| 03:27.56 | Amarande | Lunessa: well, there are a few technical limitations on own-pace in a situation where expansion launch is immient |
| 03:28.27 | Amarande | in particular, the fact that you're pretty much scotched when it comes to any chance of getting to do the old raids at their intended level once the new raids hit |
| 03:28.37 | Lunessa | Amarande: I submit that if people wanted to do SWP for other than stroking the "status" bar, then expansion launch date is irrelevant. |
| 03:28.51 | Amarande | "how are you going to get 25/40 people to refrain from leveling?" |
| 03:29.24 | Amarande | Basically, I think we can both agree that at this point, no one who hasn't already is going to, in a practical sense get the chance to do Sunwell -at 70-. |
| 03:29.28 | Amarande | They will do it at 80, if at all. |
| 03:29.32 | kd3 | whee... 4 achievements in one drak'tharon run |
| 03:29.37 | Wobin | truedat |
| 03:29.46 | Amarande | At which point it's likely to become disappointingly easymode like doing 60 raids at 70 |
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| 03:30.05 | Amarande | well, actually come to think of it I've seen ZG raids at 70 have trouble |
| 03:30.10 | Wobin | unless they develop 'heroic' raids |
| 03:30.17 | Lunessa | Why should it matter? If you want to see it, you'll go. If you don't, you won't. And doing it at 80 vs 70 is only important if you care about the opions of e-peen strokers. |
| 03:30.24 | Amarande | but that's usually because of the raid being squishy heavy and not really having enough healers/tanks |
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| 03:31.11 | Amarande | not enough healers/tanks/decursers + some fights in particular = add city |
| 03:31.47 | Codayus_ | So what's your point? |
| 03:31.53 | Amarande | well, plus the fact that classic 62 elites were pretty mean :) |
| 03:32.00 | Amarande | I still remember the one time I was questing in EPL on my lock |
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| 03:32.28 | Amarande | at least four alliance guys, at least two of them 70's, got squished by Nathaniel what'shisname |
| 03:32.31 | kd3 | 5 achievements for running drak'tharon. whee |
| 03:32.50 | Amarande | kd3: tell me one of them wasn't "deal 300,000 damage in the same battleground" :) |
| 03:34.13 | Lunessa | kd3 is da gnome! Feel da power! |
| 03:35.54 | kd3 | oh novos, regular drak, heroic drak, guru of drakuru, needy |
| 03:37.33 | Amarande | heh, speaking of need rolls |
| 03:37.56 | Amarande | http://www.lunasanguine.com/images/WoWScrnShot_102008_014706.jpg |
| 03:38.06 | Amarande | ever seen -that- combination before? :) |
| 03:45.32 | Wobin | oh yes |
| 03:45.36 | Wobin | I had the 1 |
| 03:45.42 | Wobin | VEGAS TAUREN ROLLS AGAIN =( |
| 03:46.35 | Wobin | my god Amarande |
| 03:46.41 | Wobin | There are no death knights in your party =P |
| 03:46.50 | Wobin | CRAZY =) |
| 03:46.57 | Amarande | Wobin: this was about a month before WotLK came out? |
| 03:47.12 | Wobin | heheh |
| 03:47.15 | Wobin | I guessed it'd have to be |
| 03:48.52 | Lunessa | my eyes! the agony! |
| 03:51.03 | Wobin | zhe ghoggles |
| 03:51.06 | Wobin | zhey do narfink? |
| 03:51.51 | Lunessa | indeed. |
| 03:52.06 | alestane | Just like real X-ray specs? |
| 03:52.55 | Lunessa | With so many elements on screen, positioned in that manner and at such a size, how does one enjoy the visual spectacle which is WoW? |
| 03:54.59 | Shirik|Ecole | "But, of course, without quantum mechanics atoms wouldn't be stable, so neither you nor I nor anything else made of atoms would exist, so despite all its complexity, fuzziness, uncertainty, and spooky action-at-a-distance, quantum mechanics is probably a Good Thing. However, I must note that quantum mechanics also permits Microsoft Windows to exist. " |
| 03:55.13 | Shirik|Ecole | ^ from discussion on quantum mechanics :P |
| 03:55.15 | Lunessa | alestane: Dude, I ordered x-ray glasses from the back page of my comic book, and it works! I can see /everything/! |
| 03:55.38 | Amarande | Lunessa: are you saying I have too many addons? |
| 03:55.58 | Lunessa | Amarande: No, I'm saying you have too much clutter. |
| 03:56.26 | Lunessa | I run a lot of addons too, but I try to free up more of the screen. :) |
| 03:56.28 | Wobin | well Amarande doesn't have too much screen real estate to begin with |
| 03:56.59 | Amarande | yeah, I don't think I could really free more of the screen without investing in a widescreen monitor :| |
| 03:57.27 | Wobin | You could probably shrink all your current stuff |
| 03:57.32 | Lunessa | You could scale some of those items, and have them hide when not in active use. |
| 03:57.35 | Wobin | like the buffbars |
| 03:57.41 | Wobin | you don't -really- need the text on them |
| 03:57.45 | Wobin | just the icon |
| 03:57.47 | sylvanaar | whare do you do for tradeskill mod |
| 03:58.10 | Wobin | and do you use the mouse to click? Or just the hotkeys |
| 03:58.21 | Wobin | you could shrink the buttons too, that way |
| 03:58.34 | Wobin | just for the reference, not the usage |
| 03:58.56 | Lunessa | And my preference is for uint frames which are less "bulky" |
| 03:59.17 | Amarande | sylvanaar: I use ATSW |
| 03:59.25 | Amarande | it doesn't maintain any permanent uses of screen real estate :) |
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| 04:01.08 | Lunessa | I just repositioned everything last night, so I don't have a current screenie. And I play at 1440 x 900. And I still think my UI elements take up too much room. |
| 04:02.00 | sylvanaar | still ,maintained? |
| 04:04.18 | sylvanaar | i think im going to write a lfg mod |
| 04:04.33 | Anaral | What is the url to see blizz messages? |
| 04:06.05 | bleeter | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert |
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| 04:06.40 | Anaral | Thank you Bleeter |
| 04:07.58 | Wobin | sylvanaar: reverse engineering =P |
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| 04:18.09 | sylvanaar | http://forums.wowace.com/showthread....125#post255125 |
| 04:19.34 | mikma | ....? |
| 04:19.59 | sylvanaar | http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=255125#post255125 |
| 04:24.58 | sylvanaar | does it sound like a good goal? |
| 04:28.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Goal sure |
| 04:29.02 | ScytheBlade1 | But 1 and 2 is an outright contradiction |
| 04:29.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Heck of a goal |
| 04:31.29 | sylvanaar | you know i used call to arms for 2 years and it never spammed |
| 04:31.47 | sylvanaar | of course I dindnt tell it to either |
| 04:31.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Didn't it require others install it? |
| 04:31.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Or am I thinking of something else? |
| 04:31.58 | sylvanaar | no |
| 04:32.03 | sylvanaar | but it did help |
| 04:33.36 | sylvanaar | basically, the only thing it would do is give you what ever info it had about gropus forming within the last 10 min through those who are currently asking |
| 04:34.16 | sylvanaar | so you could say, "whats going on in LFG", and you dont have to wait 5 min to find out |
| 04:35.12 | sylvanaar | since it would have been listening |
| 04:39.56 | Shirik|Ecole | ok wtf http://snackfeed.com/videos/detail/fa3b8514-00a9-102c-a525-00304897c9c6/I-Like-Farts_s=f |
| 04:40.11 | sylvanaar | pervert |
| 04:40.51 | Shirik|Ecole | family guy is so strange |
| 04:41.42 | malikeye | what does the cpu profiling in fubar do exactly ? |
| 04:43.22 | Shirik|Ecole | pulls the numbers from wow's cpu profiling engine |
| 04:43.57 | malikeye | but what does that do ? |
| 04:44.01 | malikeye | the cpu profiling |
| 04:44.57 | malikeye | it's just a stat generation thing ? |
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| 05:16.21 | Shirik|Ecole | So... I reported a bug to Mozilla about how Firefox doesn't request privileges from UAC when updating |
| 05:16.32 | Shirik|Ecole | The response: "Please attach the install.log from your installation directory" |
| 05:16.41 | Tekkub | so attach it |
| 05:16.47 | Tekkub | why you telling us |
| 05:16.51 | Shirik|Ecole | No |
| 05:16.53 | Shirik|Ecole | You aren't thinking |
| 05:16.58 | Tekkub | No |
| 05:17.03 | Tekkub | I aren't caring |
| 05:17.05 | Shirik|Ecole | You can't write to the installation directory without UAC privileges |
| 05:17.08 | Tekkub | there's a difference! |
| 05:17.23 | Tekkub | see here's the think, I disable UAC, so I can |
| 05:17.24 | Shirik|Ecole | so there had better not be an install.log there |
| 05:17.26 | Tekkub | HA! |
| 05:17.37 | Corrodias | hahahah |
| 05:18.02 | Tekkub | UAC: preventing stupid by preventing everything |
| 05:18.06 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 05:19.35 | Corrodias | i turned that shiz off. i figured if i was smart enough to keep my XP machine from going to the dogs, i could handle Vista |
| 05:19.51 | Tekkub | and what happened? yup, dogs |
| 05:19.53 | bleeter | I just erased Vista |
| 05:20.00 | Corrodias | dogs all the fuck over |
| 05:20.08 | Tekkub | dogs fuck everything |
| 05:20.10 | Corrodias | i got dogs coming out my ass |
| 05:20.11 | bleeter | thing gave me the shits when it couldn't update the system clock because of a security error of the system clock being wrong |
| 05:20.22 | bleeter | so.. fuckit && fdisk |
| 05:20.27 | Tekkub | I'm lucky, I just have to clean the cat hair out of mine every month |
| 05:20.49 | Tekkub | bleeter, l2NTP |
| 05:20.58 | bleeter | Tekkub: that was the NTP error |
| 05:21.12 | Tekkub | Error: Cannot update time, l2NTP |
| 05:21.32 | bleeter | Cannot use NTP to update time because the clock skew is too far out, please update the time |
| 05:21.45 | bleeter | bastard thing wanted me to go back to the BIOS |
| 05:21.51 | bleeter | this was pre SP1 |
| 05:22.01 | bleeter | guess it might've been fixed, but was a bit late |
| 05:22.02 | Tekkub | uh, you can update time without NTP and without the bios.. |
| 05:22.43 | Shirik|Ecole | bleeter: Is it off by years? |
| 05:22.46 | Tekkub | you know what I love... OSX sets the clock to proper GMT and adjusts what it shows you based on time zone |
| 05:22.50 | bleeter | was the stupidity of the error message that did it, 'you cannot update the time because the time isn't up to date' or similar... HELLO DUMBARSE CATCH22 |
| 05:22.53 | Shirik|Ecole | I think you should be able to fix the date and it can do the rest |
| 05:22.59 | bleeter | Shirik|Ecole: from memory, it was off by a couple of days |
| 05:23.06 | Tekkub | Windows sets the clock to the local time, and then re-sets it when DLST fucks things up |
| 05:23.11 | bleeter | Shirik|Ecole: this was when I bought my lappy ~12=18 months ago |
| 05:23.11 | Shirik|Ecole | so fix the date :P Don't need an atomic clock to do that |
| 05:23.36 | bleeter | Shirik|Ecole: given it was pre-SP1, I wasn't prepared to wait for other fun stuff |
| 05:23.39 | Tekkub | uhm, it's trying to tell you that your clock is VERY INACCURATE so that maybe you'll fix the problem in the hardware |
| 05:23.48 | Tekkub | by... uh... buying a better mobo |
| 05:23.50 | bleeter | Shirik|Ecole: I should really go back to the dealer and get it installed 'some day' |
| 05:24.07 | bleeter | prolly after F10 gets released tomorrow and I blow away the F9 install partition anyways |
| 05:24.56 | bleeter | Tekkub: nah, it was telling me that 'this machine has been sitting very idle since the manufacturer built it and the clock is out, so please adjust the clock manually in the bios' via a very obscure hex only error code :P |
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| 05:25.12 | bleeter | that didn't mention the BIOS at all in the online help docs |
| 05:25.20 | Tekkub | except you don't have to use the bios to set the clock |
| 05:25.41 | bleeter | gimme a break, this annoyance was from around 12-18 months ago |
| 05:25.59 | Tekkub | after playing with OSX I had to fix my clock by 6 hours.. and I did it completely in windows... |
| 05:26.13 | Tekkub | NEVAR! L2NTP |
| 05:26.56 | bleeter | Tekkub: lemme guess, you're 6 hours off GMT? |
| 05:27.01 | bleeter | L2BIOSCLOCKGMT |
| 05:27.17 | Shirik|Ecole | bleeter: L2NOTUSEWINDOWS |
| 05:27.19 | Shirik|Ecole | er |
| 05:27.21 | Tekkub | Mtn std/dlst time |
| 05:27.21 | Shirik|Ecole | I mean OSX |
| 05:27.22 | Shirik|Ecole | damnit |
| 05:27.27 | Tekkub | whichever we're in |
| 05:27.37 | bleeter | Tekkub: that means about as much to me as Martian Timezone |
| 05:27.40 | Shirik|Ecole | that's GMT-7 or 6 |
| 05:27.42 | Tekkub | Shirik, send me a drive big enough for wow? |
| 05:27.44 | Shirik|Ecole | depending on DST |
| 05:28.06 | Shirik|Ecole | GMT-6 during DST |
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| 05:28.27 | bleeter | see, the problem is that Windows hates GMT BIOS dates |
| 05:28.28 | Tekkub | DLST can suck my hair left nut |
| 05:28.30 | bleeter | for starters |
| 05:28.36 | bleeter | which is just balls |
| 05:28.50 | Tekkub | everything not GMT is balls, yes |
| 05:28.54 | Tekkub | er, bollox |
| 05:29.17 | bleeter | it's the bane of a dual-booter's existance :( |
| 05:29.41 | Tekkub | well, then that dual-booter is dumb! |
| 05:29.54 | Tekkub | I just set OSeX to use GMT and not update |
| 05:30.04 | Tekkub | let windows do the updates |
| 05:30.29 | bleeter | I spend more time in *nix than in Win_x86, so not really a solution |
| 05:30.59 | Tekkub | if I end up spending more time in OSeX (will once WoW's moved over) then I'll reverse that |
| 05:31.13 | Shirik|Ecole | Tekkub: I have like 6 spare drives |
| 05:31.15 | Tekkub | let OSeX update, set windows to +6/+7/whatever |
| 05:31.15 | Shirik|Ecole | want one? :P |
| 05:31.23 | Shirik|Ecole | You can have my 8 GB one :D |
| 05:31.42 | Shirik|Ecole | It might be small, but it's ... about 8 years old and hasn't failed yet |
| 05:31.45 | Tekkub | I _HAD_ an 80, that I gave to that tard Miller with wrath beta on it, and then HE NEVER PLAYED IT |
| 05:31.50 | Tekkub | and now I need it back |
| 05:32.07 | bleeter | STABBEM |
| 05:32.10 | Tekkub | I've never had a HDD fail on me :) |
| 05:32.23 | Tekkub | ex-roomie drives em into the grave |
| 05:32.32 | Tekkub | he's bitching that one of his drives is clicking now |
| 05:32.36 | bleeter | "TEKKUB: I FAIL SO MY HDD'S DON'T" :P |
| 05:32.38 | Shirik|Ecole | only has 2: one in a computer I hadn't used in a year that got locked away in my brother's room |
| 05:32.44 | Shirik|Ecole | and one in my laptop that I throw around |
| 05:33.19 | Tekkub | 2 drives in my box, two in trey's, two in the server, one in the playback box |
| 05:33.30 | Tekkub | one in the linux box that I never use anymore... hrm... |
| 05:33.34 | Tekkub | maybe I'll steal that |
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| 05:35.46 | Shirik|Ecole | why would you want Tekkub's HDDs |
| 05:36.54 | Shirik|Ecole | so, correct me if I'm wrong |
| 05:37.09 | Shirik|Ecole | cat with no arguments simply passes stdin to stdout |
| 05:37.10 | Shirik|Ecole | no? |
| 05:37.35 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.47 | bleeter | Shirik|Ecole: 'man man' is your friend |
| 05:37.49 | Shirik|Ecole | is that supposed to have a purpose? |
| 05:37.56 | Shirik|Ecole | No I already knew that to be true |
| 05:38.00 | Shirik|Ecole | the second part was what confused me |
| 05:38.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|Ecole: more than likely it was done that way just for program simplicity |
| 05:38.56 | bleeter | I'd suggest it harks back to the days of those big tape drives, changing the STDIN and making stuff easier to 'read' |
| 05:39.07 | bleeter | at a guess |
| 05:39.09 | Tekkub | WOOOO! |
| 05:39.13 | Tekkub | PS2 hard drive! |
| 05:39.21 | Tekkub | like I said, never had a drive die on me :) |
| 05:39.29 | Codayus_ | Heh |
| 05:39.33 | Tekkub | and now I have a 40GB to throw at OSeX |
| 05:39.43 | Shirik|Ecole | You just took your HDD out of your PS2? |
| 05:39.58 | Tekkub | no |
| 05:40.05 | Tekkub | my linux box I don't use anymore |
| 05:40.38 | Codayus_ | I got a stack of Deskstar drives back in the day... |
| 05:41.02 | Codayus_ | I've had multiple drives fail. :-/ |
| 05:41.22 | Codayus_ | (Also known as Deathstars, for obvious reasons.) |
| 05:41.33 | Shirik|Ecole | they destroy everything? |
| 05:41.47 | Tekkub | uh, western digital? |
| 05:41.51 | Shirik|Ecole | Or is it that little spaceships can fly by and sneak up to that little hole for ventilation to make them blow up |
| 05:42.27 | bleeter | lol deathstars |
| 05:42.31 | bleeter | those were the days :/ |
| 05:43.07 | Codayus_ | bleeter: Yeah. |
| 05:43.45 | bleeter | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_of_death#Hard_disk |
| 05:44.04 | Tekkub | yea that's what tardmo is bitching about |
| 05:44.11 | Shirik|Ecole | tardmo? |
| 05:44.13 | bleeter | Hitachi drives |
| 05:44.18 | bleeter | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deskstar#Deskstar_75GXP_failures |
| 05:44.27 | bleeter | branded by IBM |
| 05:44.34 | Tekkub | "due to physical abuse" NEVER? BOYD? |
| 05:45.41 | Codayus_ | Yeah, the Deathstars I had were labelled Hitachi. |
| 05:45.59 | Shirik|Ecole | Hitachi's awesome |
| 05:46.05 | Shirik|Ecole | well I can't speak for their drives, but I love DFT :) |
| 05:46.11 | AbsoRayne | I love Venture Brothers |
| 05:46.16 | Shirik|Ecole | I HATE IT |
| 05:46.16 | Tekkub | there a nice fast way to remap the Applications path on OSX to another drive? |
| 05:46.18 | Shirik|Ecole | WTF AM I WATCHING |
| 05:46.26 | Shirik|Ecole | And why does that lady have a red face |
| 05:46.27 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf |
| 05:46.36 | Tekkub | is she mad? |
| 05:46.37 | Shirik|Ecole | Why can't we have the old adult swim back |
| 05:46.38 | Codayus_ | IBMs awesome too...just... >.> Well. Probably for the best they're out of the consumer HDD market. |
| 05:46.49 | Tekkub | RIP old adult swim |
| 05:46.58 | Tekkub | I've not gone near AS in years now |
| 05:47.29 | Tekkub | I want the "cuz sealab is teh s uck" days |
| 05:47.41 | Shirik|Ecole | ok apparently she's red because she can turn her skin invisible |
| 05:47.44 | Shirik|Ecole | but only her skin |
| 05:47.48 | Shirik|Ecole | .......... w.t.f. |
| 05:48.03 | Tekkub | lol |
| 05:51.32 | Corrodias | it's a parody on the fantastic 4 |
| 05:51.39 | Shirik|Ecole | I figured that |
| 05:51.43 | Corrodias | venture brothers is one of their best shows right now |
| 05:51.44 | Shirik|Ecole | it's still incredibly stupid >< |
| 05:51.49 | Shirik|Ecole | That's not saying much! |
| 05:51.53 | Corrodias | well, no, it isn't |
| 05:51.54 | Shirik|Ecole | Everything they have is crap |
| 05:52.05 | Corrodias | well, i LIKE venture brothers |
| 05:52.22 | Shirik|Ecole | I will admit venture brothers is (obviously, as I am right now) one of the few things I'm willing to endure |
| 05:52.37 | Shirik|Ecole | but it's not one of the things I go out of my way to watch |
| 05:52.51 | Corrodias | other shows i have liked are Mission Hill, SeaLab 2021, and Home Movies, but they generally don't play them any more |
| 05:53.01 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah |
| 05:53.08 | Shirik|Ecole | Home Movies is on late I think |
| 05:53.15 | Wobin | anyone know any method to convert an Excel 2007 file to 2003? Programatically? |
| 05:53.24 | Wobin | (ie, any library or such) |
| 05:53.26 | Shirik|Ecole | Wobin: Save it as a 2003 file? |
| 05:53.34 | Wobin | I'm generating the file in code |
| 05:53.41 | Corrodias | home movies can rock me to bed aaaany night |
| 05:53.46 | Shirik|Ecole | out of curiosity, why would you want to? |
| 05:53.46 | Wobin | unfortunately it's using 2007 |
| 05:53.57 | Wobin | I have to generate a shitload of excel files for schools |
| 05:54.09 | Wobin | and schools are reknown for not updating software =P |
| 05:54.09 | Shirik|Ecole | 2007's format is superior |
| 05:54.12 | Shirik|Ecole | :P |
| 05:54.13 | Wobin | so it has to be 2003 |
| 05:54.14 | Wobin | yes yes |
| 05:54.16 | Wobin | I totally agree |
| 05:54.23 | Wobin | but I have to deal with schools |
| 05:54.28 | Wobin | thus 2003 |
| 05:54.34 | Shirik|Ecole | I bitch at people on my team when they complain about me sending 2007 document |
| 05:54.37 | Corrodias | mmm, invisiblemom |
| 05:54.48 | Tekkub | give them CSV |
| 05:54.51 | Shirik|Ecole | but I have the right to do so, because they all have access to Office 2007 for free if they got off their damn ass |
| 05:54.55 | Tekkub | simplest solution EVAR |
| 05:55.05 | Wobin | thank you for not helping, Tekk =P |
| 05:55.17 | Wobin | That is not a solution to my request. |
| 05:55.17 | Shirik|Ecole | to answer your question, I don't know of a way to do that, no |
| 05:55.20 | Wobin | thank you =P |
| 05:55.25 | Tekkub | give them the Excel 2007 viewer? |
| 05:55.25 | Quaiche | If the load manager specified in the TOC is not found, the addon is just loaded at start time, right? |
| 05:55.26 | Tekkub | it's free |
| 05:55.35 | Wobin | Tekkub: not an option |
| 05:55.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Quaiche: yes |
| 05:55.38 | Shirik|Ecole | I know |
| 05:55.39 | Tekkub | Quaiche, da |
| 05:55.42 | Shirik|Ecole | you can write a VBScript to do it |
| 05:55.46 | Quaiche | Damn thing isn't acting that way. |
| 05:55.50 | Wobin | For they are schools |
| 05:55.51 | Tekkub | give them a pirated version then |
| 05:55.53 | Shirik|Ecole | Have it open excel, save it as 2003 |
| 05:55.55 | Wobin | and are not trusting |
| 05:56.02 | Shirik|Ecole | you can have the VB script click the file->save buttons |
| 05:56.04 | Shirik|Ecole | etc. |
| 05:56.10 | Tekkub | sometimes you have to bend the rules for public edumacation |
| 05:56.20 | Wobin | again, not an option, Tekk |
| 05:56.31 | Tekkub | PIRACY IS ALWAYS AN OPTION |
| 05:57.03 | Wobin | You want to talk to each school in Australia and New Zealand and convince them to do so? |
| 05:57.08 | Wobin | Good luck! |
| 05:57.26 | Tekkub | no, I'm not stupid enough to take a jorb with a school |
| 05:57.42 | Tekkub | been there, done that, got a shitty diploma instead of a fucking paycheck |
| 05:57.53 | Wobin | So you understand fully how stupid schools are |
| 05:58.03 | Tekkub | exactly |
| 05:58.03 | Wobin | why suggest such a ridiculous statement? |
| 05:58.19 | AbsoRayne | http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/11/081124-giant-squid-magnapinna.html Enjoy your ID4 |
| 06:00.10 | Corrodias | i also enjoy metalocalypse, oddly, though i don't really like the music |
| 06:00.37 | Corrodias | it is wild and yet coherent enough to entertain, unlike, say, superjail |
| 06:03.57 | Codayus_ | Wobin: Hmm, you might try www.talend.com |
| 06:04.12 | Codayus_ | How complex ARE the spreadshets? |
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| 06:09.02 | Shirik|Ecole | night all |
| 06:09.41 | Wobin | not too complex |
| 06:09.45 | Wobin | but they have autoshapes and the like |
| 06:10.49 | Codayus_ | Hmm, pretty sure there's an easy answer, but I don't know it. :( |
| 06:11.00 | Wobin | =\ |
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| 06:19.39 | Codayus_ | This is normally the sort of thing http://stackoverflow.com/ is great for, but a quick search drew a blank. You could try posting and asking. :) |
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| 06:27.57 | Wobin | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/316501/converting-excel-2007-files-to-excel-2003 |
| 06:28.03 | Wobin | hopefully that's clear enough |
| 06:28.09 | Wobin | and I'm off home |
| 06:28.11 | Wobin | bbiab |
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| 07:02.17 | Corrodias | stroker & hoop, totally forgot about this show |
| 07:02.19 | Corrodias | yahoo |
| 07:07.04 | abyx | how does a chat frame work frame-wise? I know it's a ScrollFrame but what type of frame is actually being scrolled by the ScrollFrame? |
| 07:07.36 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not a scroll frame |
| 07:07.43 | abyx | what is it? |
| 07:07.47 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a faux scroll frame |
| 07:08.05 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a series of lines of text that are updated as you press a button |
| 07:08.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Not a true scroll frame |
| 07:08.51 | Tekkub | actually, it's a ScrollingMessageFrame |
| 07:09.20 | Tekkub | same design as a faux scroll frame, but those are collections of normal frames, buttons, etc |
| 07:09.46 | Tekkub | SMF is it's own self-contained thing |
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| 07:11.06 | ScytheBlade1 | same design, that's all I knew |
| 07:11.52 | abyx | is there a template frame for ScrollingMessageFrame? |
| 07:11.58 | abyx | google isn't helping me for once =( |
| 07:12.11 | Tekkub | you know what I hate about being a pally |
| 07:12.36 | Tekkub | I can see ALL THESE IDIOTS that never turned in the "hey go to you racial leader" zombie quest |
| 07:12.39 | abyx | having to be killed over 9000 times before you actually die? |
| 07:13.00 | ScytheBlade1 | abyx: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets#ScrollingMessageFrame |
| 07:17.20 | Tekkub | hey if I install wow fresh, like say. on OSX, do I need to download any patches besides 3.0.1-3.0.3? can I just install orig, TBC, wrath, 3.0.2, 3.0.3? |
| 07:17.28 | abyx | ScytheBlade1 that doesn't have any frames to inherit from |
| 07:17.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: You can just install Wrath. Check the website for the downloader |
| 07:18.19 | Tekkub | that's the full game and not just the wrath content? |
| 07:18.29 | ScytheBlade1 | abyx: that's because it's a frame type |
| 07:19.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: it's a simple downloader. It can install either WoW, TBC, or Wrath. Installing one of the later installs all of the former |
| 07:19.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: huh? how do you see them? |
| 07:19.29 | abyx | ScytheBlade1: what about stuff like CreateFrame("Button",nil,UIParent,"UIPanelsButtonTemplate") ? |
| 07:19.42 | ScytheBlade1 | abyx: s/Button/ScrollingMessageFrame/ |
| 07:19.51 | Tekkub | NightHawkTheSane, huh huh? |
| 07:20.21 | NightHawkTheSane | "[23:12:36] <+Tekkub> I can see ALL THESE IDIOTS that never turned in the "hey go to you racial leader" zombie quest" |
| 07:20.25 | NightHawkTheSane | how? huh? |
| 07:20.28 | Tekkub | track undead |
| 07:20.32 | ScytheBlade1 | You don't create a Button, you create a ScrollingMessageFrame |
| 07:20.37 | Tekkub | they have a haunt or a head with them all the time |
| 07:21.15 | ScytheBlade1 | abyx: in the WoW UI source XML: <ScrollingMessageFrame name="ChatFrameTemplate" frameStrata="BACKGROUND" toplevel="true" displayDuration="120.0" maxLines="128" hidden="true" virtual="true"> |
| 07:21.33 | ScytheBlade1 | abyx: they don't create a <Button> or a <Frame> (first arg to CreateFrame), they create a <ScrollingMessageFrame> |
| 07:21.39 | Tekkub | and there's really no reason to inherit that |
| 07:22.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: sure it's not the haunted memento thing? |
| 07:22.29 | abyx | basically i want to create a ScrollingMessageFrame without having to specify a billion variables like textures and other stuff like that |
| 07:22.30 | Tekkub | yes that just gives you a buff |
| 07:22.46 | NightHawkTheSane | no, it gives you a follower type thing |
| 07:22.50 | Tekkub | the head/haunt follows you and whispers to you while you're on the quest |
| 07:23.20 | NightHawkTheSane | no, the haunt that follows you around, like non-targetable shade? that's from the haunted memento |
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| 07:24.14 | Tem | lua> ("achievement:2586:-1234879284:5248275:2:1:12525:15623555:-125"):match("^([^:]+):(-?%d+):") |
| 07:24.15 | lua_bot | Tem: achievement, 2586 |
| 07:24.23 | NightHawkTheSane | it shows up in sense undead, but you can't target it normally |
| 07:24.29 | Tekkub | yea and that doesn't show up on the minimap if it's not targettable |
| 07:25.51 | Tekkub | heh, it's also a pet and Kennel makes it go away :) |
| 07:25.55 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 07:26.13 | Cidan | asdasdasdkajdkajd |
| 07:27.32 | Cidan | Or so I'm told |
| 07:27.48 | Tekkub | 18727.69.14 |
| 07:27.55 | Tekkub | and I got nothing to spend it on |
| 07:27.59 | ZorbaBeta | haha, wtf |
| 07:28.07 | ZorbaBeta | okay, this is reasonable: "Levictan, a Blizzard ingame GM has revealed to me that a major culprit for not being able to login to 1 character specifically is caused by this addon. Hopefully you can solve this problem and get out a distro of QH that will not cause locked toons." |
| 07:28.24 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, it's a bug I just found out about, I think it's fixed, not a real problem |
| 07:28.29 | ZorbaBeta | "I have missed 7 different raids because of this issue." |
| 07:28.32 | Cidan | Uhm, what. |
| 07:28.41 | ZorbaBeta | SEVEN RAIDS? He's missed *seven raids* and it didn't occur to him to turn off his UI mods? |
| 07:28.46 | ZorbaBeta | arrrrgh |
| 07:28.56 | Cidan | Are you serious? |
| 07:29.05 | Tekkub | welcome to people who are stupid enough to provide support hell |
| 07:29.16 | ZorbaBeta | cidan, first comment on my curse.com page :P |
| 07:29.19 | Tekkub | luckily I get paid for the support I do :) |
| 07:29.26 | Cidan | That's 20 kinds of stupid. |
| 07:29.32 | ZorbaBeta | he might be lying to make it sound more seriously, but if so, he's lying to make himself sound like an idiot |
| 07:29.39 | ZorbaBeta | *more serious |
| 07:29.46 | Tekkub | people lie all the time |
| 07:29.50 | Tekkub | I got a report today |
| 07:30.01 | Tekkub | said he's using the version I released yesterday |
| 07:30.15 | Tekkub | the bug he reports is one of the two things I fixed in that release |
| 07:30.54 | ZorbaBeta | I get reports like that all the time, but at least some of them are (I think) people not installing it properly |
| 07:31.00 | ZorbaBeta | the Vista path change was devastating :( |
| 07:31.10 | Tekkub | i.e.... I wrote all this up, but don't know which version I have, so I'll check your site and tell you whatever it says the current version is |
| 07:31.31 | Cidan | Okay, I'm a bit of a newb when it comes to interface art; where can I find the paths for the blue WotLK buttons WoW uses? |
| 07:31.51 | Tekkub | dig in the mpqs? |
| 07:32.09 | ZorbaBeta | I'm also kind of impressed that he managed to even *have* seven raids, the bug only started manifesting about a week ago. |
| 07:32.12 | Tekkub | they're not used in-game as far as I know, they won't be in the extracted files |
| 07:32.14 | Cidan | I was hoping I could just look in the XML files |
| 07:32.25 | Cidan | I don't need the files, I just need the paths, I want to use them. |
| 07:32.26 | Tekkub | they are xml files |
| 07:32.32 | Tekkub | just, not UI ones |
| 07:32.53 | Tekkub | Glues I believe are the ones you're after for the login screens |
| 07:33.14 | Cidan | yay, thanks, =D |
| 07:33.41 | Tekkub | it might just set a vertex color on them or something |
| 07:33.54 | Tekkub | they used to be blue for everyone in beta, then it got fixed to just DKs |
| 07:34.32 | Tekkub | okey, leveling partner's half an hour late, fuckit I'm tossing in this other drive and starting the downloader on OSX |
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| 07:53.05 | Thunder_Child | anyone know offhand if apple does discounts on black friday? |
| 07:59.25 | Corrodias | sorry, i haven't bought anything from apple since... well, ever |
| 07:59.49 | Corrodias | my friend likes their stuff, but he'll be asleep by now |
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| 08:01.08 | Tem | Can you guys do me a favor? |
| 08:01.12 | Tem | I need to test the result of this code |
| 08:01.17 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.34 | ccox | Apple, discount? I don't think I've seen those words used together.... |
| 08:03.43 | End | yes Tem, I got my hair cut |
| 08:03.51 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:03.56 | End | also |
| 08:03.56 | Tem | do you see one "ach" or two? |
| 08:03.57 | End | Ach! |
| 08:03.59 | End | one |
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| 08:04.33 | Tem | mkay, good |
| 08:04.33 | Tem | well |
| 08:04.33 | Tem | bad |
| 08:04.37 | Tem | but it's what I expected |
| 08:13.19 | mikma | tem: nothing happened with that line |
| 08:14.12 | mikma | except the error that happened, lol |
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| 08:18.40 | Tem | mikma, you phale |
| 08:19.39 | mikma | tem: wasnt me, tekErr swallowed it and i never ever notice the flashing icon in minimap |
| 08:19.51 | Tem | no |
| 08:19.58 | Tem | you fail because that line doesn't generate an error |
| 08:20.07 | tekkub | what Tem saided |
| 08:20.19 | mikma | did on me =/ |
| 08:20.41 | Tem | l2copypaste |
| 08:21.16 | mikma | thats what i did, but too late to retest, shut down the pc already |
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| 08:27.38 | tekkub | you know, the fact that google's editable search results effect only THE EXACT SEARCH makes it nearly 100% useles |
| 08:27.56 | tekkub | I rarely do the exact same search so often I want to customize it's results |
| 08:28.08 | tekkub | but I *DO* want to blacklist certain sites |
| 08:31.30 | mikma | http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/garfield/2527/20081125.gif |
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| 08:45.16 | Cairenn | mikma: rofl |
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| 08:57.02 | abyx | what kind of throttling is enforced on SendAddonMessage("prefix","message","WHISPER","persontowhisper") ? |
| 08:58.53 | Tem | none |
| 08:58.56 | Tem | it will DC you if you flod |
| 08:58.58 | Tem | flood |
| 08:59.04 | Tem | use ChatThrottleLib |
| 08:59.12 | mikma | i think mikk made a library for that? |
| 08:59.12 | abyx | what exactly is considered flooding? |
| 08:59.33 | Corrodias | wouldn't it suck to have so many addons that use it that the message queue would grow faster than it could be sent? |
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| 08:59.36 | mikma | abyx: sending more than client allows |
| 08:59.36 | Tem | >X bytes sent in X seconds |
| 08:59.39 | Corrodias | weep weep |
| 08:59.50 | foxlit | Hey, what |
| 08:59.57 | Tem | s/X seconds/Y seconds/ |
| 09:00.08 | Corrodias | do we have values for X and Y? |
| 09:00.08 | abyx | mikma: i assumed that much... i was hoping more for an exact number on how many message can be sent per second or per minute |
| 09:00.13 | Thunder_Child | ~fail tem |
| 09:00.14 | purl | You suck at everything in life, tem. I hate you because you fail. |
| 09:00.17 | foxlit | I think they killed all the ways you can forcefully DC in a recent patch. |
| 09:00.33 | Corrodias | otherwise, how will chatthrottlelib know how fast it can send things, or is it just some safe value |
| 09:00.35 | foxlit | Including that one. |
| 09:00.43 | foxlit | Corrodias: testing way back |
| 09:01.32 | foxlit | Personally, I don't think you can hit that disconnection threshold anymore. |
| 09:01.56 | abyx | i know if your message is more than 255 bytes you'll get d/c'd but idk about the actual flooding |
| 09:02.53 | ZorbaBeta | corrodias, we have kind of vague estimates, but I think that's it |
| 09:03.03 | foxlit | And someone should file that as a bug. |
| 09:03.11 | ZorbaBeta | for obvious reasons, blizzard has not released precise details on how their anti-flood/anti-spam system works ;) |
| 09:03.13 | foxlit | Should truncate, not disconnect :/ |
| 09:03.18 | Corrodias | hmm |
| 09:04.16 | Tem | foxlit, you can send an invalid item link and get DCed |
| 09:04.18 | abyx | yeah thats what i said |
| 09:04.26 | Tem | you can send a texture link and get DCed |
| 09:04.32 | abyx | lol... |
| 09:04.43 | abyx | let me try that |
| 09:05.00 | Tem | they haven't-- and as far as I know aren't even trying |
| 09:05.09 | Tem | (to remove all ways to DC) |
| 09:05.17 | Tem | sending a newline probably still works |
| 09:05.33 | ZorbaBeta | I don't think "instantly disconnect" is necessarily a bad response to a problem |
| 09:05.36 | foxlit | Actually, no. |
| 09:05.43 | foxlit | Sending a newline is no longer a problem. |
| 09:05.57 | foxlit | It truncates at \n, you keep your connection |
| 09:06.11 | foxlit | ZorbaBeta: in response to addon actions? It's horrible. |
| 09:06.28 | ZorbaBeta | foxlit, I dunno, at least that way the addon authors fix the problems |
| 09:06.35 | abyx | lol |
| 09:06.41 | Corrodias | the addon not working would also make them fix the problems |
| 09:06.54 | foxlit | ZorbaBeta: so would an assert. |
| 09:06.58 | Corrodias | but you don't have to disconnect the user for a bug that tries something that could just, you know, "not work" |
| 09:07.01 | foxlit | But there's no reason to kill users. |
| 09:07.22 | abyx | yeah the auto disconnect is definitely not needed |
| 09:07.41 | foxlit | "Tem: foxlit, you can send an invalid item link and get DCed" |
| 09:07.43 | foxlit | also wrong. |
| 09:08.09 | Tem | foxlit, I sent an invalid item link minutes ago |
| 09:08.12 | foxlit | /run SendChatMessage(select(2,GetItemInfo(32040)):gsub("0","1"), "SAY"); |
| 09:08.14 | Tem | so don't tell me what I know |
| 09:08.52 | mikma | ~poop |
| 09:08.53 | purl | ACTION fertilizes the channel |
| 09:08.55 | Corrodias | you don't know jack |
| 09:09.00 | Corrodias | is a trivia game from a while back |
| 09:10.25 | foxlit | The result is that it strips the link to pure text, but doesn't disconnect. Of course, you may be testing against something that's broken in another fashion, but, hey, clearly at least some invalid links behave properly. |
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| 09:27.38 | Thunder_Child | http://anotherrandomday.com/?id=9 |
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| 09:31.41 | abyx | oh while i'm here.... is there an easy way to convert a comma delimited string into an array of strings? i still haven't figured it out |
| 09:32.03 | Kaso | gsub |
| 09:32.16 | Kaso | wait |
| 09:32.19 | Kaso | i mean gmatch |
| 09:32.36 | abyx | thats what i heard earlier but i don't know the pattern syntex |
| 09:32.39 | abyx | syntax* |
| 09:32.39 | Tem | if it's comma seperated use string.split |
| 09:33.06 | Tem | lua>("1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8"):split(",") |
| 09:33.06 | lua_bot | Tem: luabot:1: attempt to call method 'split' (a nil value) |
| 09:33.22 | abyx | yeah split doesn't exist |
| 09:33.23 | Tem | lua>strsplit(",","1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8") |
| 09:33.23 | lua_bot | Tem: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 |
| 09:33.29 | Kaso | for str in string.gmatch("(%a+)%,") do table[#table+1] = str end |
| 09:33.31 | Kaso | i'd have done |
| 09:34.12 | abyx | what does the # sign mean? |
| 09:34.21 | Tem | length |
| 09:34.25 | Tem | use strsplit |
| 09:34.38 | Tem | lua>{strsplit(",","1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8")} |
| 09:34.38 | lua_bot | Tem: table: 0x80980d8 |
| 09:35.01 | Tem | lua>for i,v in ipairs({strsplit(",","1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8")}) do print(i,v) end |
| 09:35.01 | lua_bot | Tem: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8 |
| 09:35.30 | Tem | (it's a wow specific function) |
| 09:35.33 | Tem | (added in 2.0) |
| 09:35.47 | Tem | though, if you can, do it without the table |
| 09:37.43 | Mikk | abyx: I have a fair idea what is "safe" or not. It varies a bit from server to server though. |
| 09:37.58 | Mikk | abyx: And, yes, you still get disconnected plenty of you send too much data. |
| 09:38.20 | Mikk | And whatever you do, do NOT re-implement that algorithm in your own addon. That's totally the wrong way to go. |
| 09:38.30 | Mikk | Consider that there are SEVERAL addons sending data; you need to know about all of them! |
| 09:38.39 | Mikk | So, go use http://www.wowwiki.com/ChatThrottleLib |
| 09:39.16 | zenzio | "Think about it. You're one of the most powerful necromancers in the world, but you just can't top the guy who holds freaking dance contests with his enemies. You're good, but you're not as good as the ballerina of death. Yeah, I can see why Noth might be a little touchy about Heigan." lol |
| 09:40.46 | Mikk | And to answer your question about queueing: Yes, if you keep sending lol amounts of data for a long time, you'll be looking at hours of queue. What about it? You prefer disconnecting? |
| 09:41.05 | Mikk | CTL differentiates streams per addon and destination, so one addon still can't drown out everything else. |
| 09:41.56 | Kaso | Is it possible to transfer ownship of an addon on WoWi? |
| 09:42.10 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 09:42.18 | Kaso | How does one go about that |
| 09:42.37 | Thunder_Child | one would go about poking Cairenn |
| 09:42.44 | Thunder_Child | or somesuch admin |
| 09:43.17 | Cairenn | I need the link to the mod you want transfered and the link to the new "owner" profile |
| 09:43.25 | Kaso | ah lovely |
| 09:43.50 | Kaso | Lonny`, what's your profile on wowi? |
| 09:43.53 | Kaso | the mod is http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=6862 |
| 09:44.03 | Lonny` | a sec |
| 09:44.33 | Mikk | Kaso: poking ck is a bit pointless since he works for curse :P |
| 09:45.02 | Kaso | i forget this chan isn't wowilounge anymore >< |
| 09:45.08 | Kaso | i see green i think admin |
| 09:45.08 | Thunder_Child | but it's fun to poke him nontheless |
| 09:45.09 | abyx | is there a way to check if someone is online? |
| 09:45.29 | Lonny` | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/member.php?userid=76931 |
| 09:45.38 | Lonny` | or well http://www.wowinterface.com/list.php?skinnerid=76931 |
| 09:45.45 | Kaso | Cairenn, ^^ |
| 09:45.51 | Mikk | abyx: 1. /who them, but you can only /who people once every 3 seconds, so it needs queueing to cooperate with other addons and the user |
| 09:45.55 | Mikk | 2. add them to your friendlist |
| 09:46.00 | Mikk | (and wait for an update) |
| 09:46.06 | Mikk | 3. send them a message and watch for an error return =) |
| 09:46.07 | Cairenn | done |
| 09:46.09 | mikma | lets poke dolby, he likes the attention |
| 09:46.10 | Kaso | thanks |
| 09:46.13 | Lonny` | Thanks! :) |
| 09:46.19 | Cairenn | you're welcome :) |
| 09:46.25 | abyx | i meant from an addon's point of view |
| 09:46.33 | Mikk | That was from an addon's point of view |
| 09:46.39 | Thunder_Child | ~poke Dolby |
| 09:46.40 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Dolby, pokes Dolby repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 09:46.41 | Mikk | There is no way that instantly returns "he's online" |
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| 09:47.39 | mikma | lonny`: rename it to GasBubbles |
| 09:47.53 | Lonny` | lol :P |
| 09:48.32 | abyx | what about is there a way to make SendAddonMessage() not return any text if it fails to send a message to someone? for example SendAddonMessage("foo","foo","WHISPER","offlineplayer") will output no player named 'offlineplayer' is currently playing. |
| 09:48.42 | mikma | wobin: why are you a double? |
| 09:49.20 | Mikk | abyx: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter |
| 09:50.10 | Mikk | Except it'll be random with Prat3 |
| 09:50.10 | Elkano | abyx, that's not caused by the function directly. The function is stupid and just tells the server to send the message. The text you see comes from the server. |
| 09:50.18 | Mikk | Because prat3 doesn't easily give you access to arg2...argN |
| 09:50.20 | Elkano | so like Mikk suggested you'd have to filter it |
| 09:50.52 | mikma | unregister events and re-register tehn after "error"? |
| 09:51.03 | Mikk | mikma: no. just no. |
| 09:51.36 | mikma | mikk: why? explain why? |
| 09:51.37 | Mikk | Then you'll be losing whispers from random people |
| 09:51.53 | mikma | neat! |
| 09:52.00 | Mikk | Plus you'd have to know about all frames registering for whispers |
| 09:52.02 | Mikk | Just use the filters :P |
| 09:52.11 | Mikk | Hm, wait |
| 09:52.21 | mikma | ok, 5sec |
| 09:52.34 | Mikk | Do the filters even get to see offline warnings? |
| 09:53.00 | abyx | i suppose i'll just end the addon message through raid/guild than through direct "WHISPER" |
| 09:53.13 | abyx | send* |
| 09:53.32 | Lonny` | Cairenn I can't see it yet, and checking on the site the userid is different than mine which is 76931 :P |
| 09:53.43 | Mikk | abyx: this is entirely solvable |
| 09:53.50 | mikma | lonny`: i see it as yours |
| 09:53.53 | abyx | solve it for meh! |
| 09:54.14 | abyx | i need a 100% gaurantee that the error message won't show up though! if you think you can handle that |
| 09:54.21 | Thrae | Lonny`: CTRL+R |
| 09:54.25 | Mikk | Ah, it's a CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM |
| 09:54.36 | Thrae | abyx: Mikma invented SendAddonMessage. |
| 09:54.41 | Thrae | Wait, wrong mikk |
| 09:54.46 | Thrae | abyx: Mikk invented SendAddonMessage. |
| 09:54.56 | Mikk | Slow-ken did! |
| 09:55.02 | Mikk | With much prodding from many devs! |
| 09:55.03 | mikma | noobfail is noob, or fail |
| 09:55.05 | Cairenn | look now |
| 09:55.10 | Thrae | Mikk: We all know its a hack of ChatThrottle. |
| 09:55.21 | Lonny` | Yeah thanks, now it is :) |
| 09:55.35 | Cairenn | must have mis-copied something |
| 09:55.39 | Cairenn | sorry about that |
| 09:55.46 | Mikk | And yeah SendAddonMessage is good for addon-to-addon communication. |
| 09:55.49 | Mikk | If that's what you're doing, that's what you should be using |
| 09:56.00 | Mikk | I was assuming you wanted to send something readable |
| 09:56.17 | Thrae | Reading is FUNdemental. |
| 09:56.42 | mikma | atleast it made you write stuff in irc, thrae |
| 09:56.54 | Mikk | Aye, now we know you're here |
| 09:57.02 | abyx | i wouldn't be using SendAddonMessage() if i didn't want to do just that ;) |
| 09:57.08 | Mikk | So now we can bash you for not working on TinyTip! |
| 09:57.13 | Mikk | ~bash Thrae |
| 09:57.14 | purl | ACTION beats Thrae with ksh |
| 09:57.29 | mikma | ~poop thrae |
| 09:57.52 | Thrae | Someone pay for a WoW account and I'll get right on that. |
| 09:57.53 | mikma | thats horrible, it only works without the name |
| 09:58.14 | abyx | ~poop |
| 09:58.15 | purl | ACTION fertilizes the channel |
| 09:58.31 | Thrae | Only Tekkub can dry-code something and make it work. |
| 09:58.42 | mikma | amen. |
| 09:59.00 | mikma | tektip, lol |
| 09:59.14 | Thrae | But hey, I submitted my second addon to war.mmoui.com. |
| 10:00.10 | Thrae | OK, I need sleep. I read "libperiodictable-3-1" as "libpredictablename". |
| 10:01.46 | Mikk | abyx: ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter("CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM", myFunc) |
| 10:02.01 | Mikk | myFunc will receive "No player named 'asdfasdfa' is currently playing." |
| 10:02.04 | Mikk | Suppress that |
| 10:02.18 | Mikk | It'll be 100% |
| 10:02.46 | abyx | how exactly do i suppress that? |
| 10:02.52 | Mikk | Read http://www.wowwiki.com/API_ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter |
| 10:05.09 | mikma | yikes! LightHeaded has over 3 million downloads! (over 9000!!!) |
| 10:05.36 | abyx | lightheaded is pretty pro |
| 10:06.06 | abyx | mikma: where do you see that number? |
| 10:06.49 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7017-LightHeaded.html |
| 10:07.10 | abyx | For some reason i don't believe the downloader counter at curse.com is completely accurate (total downloads increases by 10 or 15 and the "downloads today" will increase by 0) |
| 10:07.18 | mikma | from there, but catched my eye in the latest list tho |
| 10:10.23 | foxlit | Today could be a sliding 24 hour window, but yeah, what you're describing sounds odd :) |
| 10:11.08 | abyx | i've seen it happen on multiple occasions in the last week |
| 10:11.52 | Cairenn | that's something you need to ping the curse folks on, then - ckknight, Kaelten, netcurse (who isn't in atm) |
| 10:12.19 | abyx | it's almost like the "total downloads" is more of a "total pageviews" |
| 10:12.31 | abyx | but unique hits because i can't spam refresh to increase the number |
| 10:14.23 | mikma | downloadcounters.... should be an option in profiles to hide them |
| 10:14.31 | mikma | they are just egoboosters |
| 10:14.43 | abyx | thats exactly what they are |
| 10:14.48 | Mikk | It also tells visitors if it's a popular (= likely good) addon |
| 10:14.51 | Mikk | I see no reason to hide them |
| 10:15.06 | abyx | me either. but i'd prefer they be accurate at least |
| 10:15.25 | krka | i generally sort by downloads |
| 10:15.27 | mikma | amount downloaded doesnt tell me is the addon good or not =/ |
| 10:15.48 | Mikk | High downloads = likely good |
| 10:15.53 | Mikk | Low downloads = doesnt say anything, true |
| 10:16.15 | mikma | this was the first time i even checked the amounts in list |
| 10:16.25 | mikma | i must be bored like hell |
| 10:16.34 | mikma | mikk: low downloads = new addon |
| 10:17.05 | foxlit | or a bunch of other causes |
| 10:17.05 | krka | high count: worth testing. low count: worth testing if i like the description |
| 10:17.35 | Mikk | Cairenn: Can you please just nuke http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5116-myDebugMikk.html - i'm just not going to get around to fixing it |
| 10:18.05 | Cairenn | gone |
| 10:18.14 | krka | she's so quick! |
| 10:18.28 | Mikk | Thanks |
| 10:18.30 | mikma | fast fingers |
| 10:18.45 | mikma | you know where that skill comes from ;) |
| 10:19.00 | Mikk | Tsk, tsk, mikma |
| 10:19.16 | mikma | whaaaaat? |
| 10:19.39 | Mikk | Not the ladies man are you :P |
| 10:20.29 | mikma | dont need to be one =) |
| 10:21.04 | abyx | is there a quick way to encode/decode a string in lua? |
| 10:21.18 | mikma | abyx: rot13 it lol |
| 10:21.40 | krka | the quickest is probably the identify-transformation |
| 10:21.46 | mikma | ~rot13 abys sucks more than tem |
| 10:21.46 | purl | nolf fhpxf zber guna grz |
| 10:21.49 | Mikk | abyx: define encode/decode |
| 10:22.15 | abyx | make plaintext unreadable to the regular wow user |
| 10:22.19 | abyx | for transmission |
| 10:22.33 | mikma | i've seen a library for that |
| 10:22.35 | Mikk | As in encrypt? |
| 10:22.38 | krka | convert it to english with proper grammar and spelling |
| 10:22.38 | abyx | nonthing huge like encryption |
| 10:22.46 | Mikk | What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 10:22.46 | krka | should work well enough for the regular wow user |
| 10:22.47 | abyx | ahah |
| 10:23.18 | mikma | krka: hah! |
| 10:23.39 | abyx | Mikk: I just want messages that are sent/recieved from SendAddonMessage() to not be plain-text |
| 10:23.42 | mikma | 'wut iz u sayin? me no gets' |
| 10:23.52 | Tem|Sleep | abyx, what on earth for? |
| 10:24.01 | Tem|Sleep | the user can't see them without deliberately looking for them |
| 10:24.04 | mikma | SOOOOOOO seCret |
| 10:24.05 | Tem|Sleep | that's absolutely silly |
| 10:24.06 | foxlit | all the cool kids send garbage through addon channels! |
| 10:24.38 | mikma | encrypting whispers woke tem|sleep up |
| 10:24.38 | Mikk | abyx: what information are you sending and what is the purpose of garbling it? |
| 10:25.01 | Tem|Sleep | mikma, actually, you pinging me brought me back to irc |
| 10:25.13 | mikma | tem|sleep: damn, sorry |
| 10:25.41 | foxlit | to be fair, encode isn't encrypt. |
| 10:25.59 | Mikk | And yeah, if you're using SendAddonMessage, and all you want is "inaccessible to joe player", you need nothing further |
| 10:25.59 | abyx | i don't need it encrypted |
| 10:26.18 | Mikk | Don't tell me what you think, tell me what you're doing and why =) |
| 10:26.32 | Mikk | What is your addon transmitting? |
| 10:26.40 | mikma | remember to brfing the bluesheets |
| 10:26.45 | mikma | mikk loves the data |
| 10:27.15 | Mikk | I find that I can help people a lot better if I understand that big picture. Often it'll turn out that there's a better way of going about something that is entirely different. |
| 10:27.37 | mikma | mikk: i needs moer epix, gief pllx |
| 10:27.54 | mikma | my wife has one too |
| 10:28.01 | Mikk | mine too |
| 10:28.04 | Mikk | paid by me! |
| 10:28.13 | mikma | i decided to spend 7k on my dk flyer |
| 10:28.37 | foxlit | mikma: welcome to the death chicken club |
| 10:28.38 | mikma | mikk: the son of something mammoth is cheaper ;) |
| 10:28.48 | mikma | foxlit: thanks baby! |
| 10:28.57 | Mikk | son of something wha? oO |
| 10:29.17 | mikma | dun niffelem |
| 10:29.23 | mikma | sons of odir? |
| 10:29.26 | mikma | cant remember |
| 10:29.34 | mikma | but their mammoth costs 10k |
| 10:31.31 | Mikk | Does it carry vendors? |
| 10:31.36 | mikma | ya |
| 10:31.40 | mikma | lemme find it |
| 10:31.50 | Mikk | Sons of Hodir |
| 10:31.55 | Mikk | And you need exalted |
| 10:32.03 | mikma | ya |
| 10:32.04 | Mikk | I got my mammoth at 71, when I needed it the most |
| 10:32.06 | Mikk | So hah! |
| 10:32.56 | mikma | turned me and our friend lazy as hell that mammoth lol |
| 10:33.25 | Mikk | being able to repair & sell anywhere fricking rocks |
| 10:33.32 | Mikk | granted, engineers can too |
| 10:33.33 | Mikk | :< |
| 10:33.39 | abyx | i bet it's nice having a repair/reagent NPC with you whenever you need them... although i wouldn't like the fact that the mammoth is a "vehicle" |
| 10:33.58 | Mikk | I'm loving that it's a vehicle, since you don't take falling damage in vehicles =) |
| 10:34.12 | Mikk | But yeah dismounting isnt instant, which is a bit annoying |
| 10:34.22 | abyx | yeah vehicles need instant dismount |
| 10:34.24 | mikma | i've tried to have my wife kill her friend with the mammoth |
| 10:34.35 | Mikk | jump off cliff -> kick someone off? =) |
| 10:34.37 | mikma | ride it off the mountain and dismount |
| 10:34.47 | abyx | jump off a cliff and dismount slowfall or levitate |
| 10:34.51 | abyx | that would be hilarious |
| 10:35.05 | mikma | druid =) instaflyingmount |
| 10:35.06 | abyx | theres quite a few huge cliffs in grizzly hills too |
| 10:38.36 | mikma | mikk: people are saying there aint no vendors on sons of hodir mammoth |
| 10:38.49 | mikma | so, 7000g extra from vendors =) |
| 10:39.03 | Mikk | pah, i paid 20k for mine! |
| 10:39.09 | Mikk | shopping @ neutral ftw |
| 10:39.11 | mikma | is still cool, saved our butts before instances couple of times |
| 10:39.21 | Mikk | abyx: Gifv info on what you're sending so I can actually help you! |
| 10:39.46 | mikma | once huntard forgot to buy arrows. wife popped mammoth and huntard bought the white arrows |
| 10:39.58 | abyx | Mikk: no need... encoding would be pointless :) |
| 10:40.46 | abyx | although i wouldn't mind some help in trying to make a chat frame for my addon |
| 10:41.11 | Mikk | Oooh, I think I need to wash my hair now. Afk! |
| 10:41.22 | abyx | something almost exactly like DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME but that would have only messages that i add by specifically |
| 10:41.34 | mikma | oh eww |
| 10:41.39 | mikma | that job is sick |
| 10:41.46 | abyx | Mikk: you're doing it wrong! everyone knows the get-away-quick reply is "OMG BROWNIES BURNING BRB" |
| 10:42.08 | Mikk | Actually, the best one I know is, "Sry guys, gtg. Gf demands sex." |
| 10:42.31 | abyx | that works too i suppose |
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| 10:43.01 | abyx | what makes creating a chat frame so hard? |
| 10:43.05 | mikma | i just quit if i ampissed |
| 10:43.49 | mikma | abyx: CreateFrame("Frame", "foo", ScrollingTextFrame") or so |
| 10:44.53 | abyx | i was thinking more of CreateFrame("ScrollingMessageFrame","myframe",UIParent) but i don't know where to go past that |
| 10:45.49 | mikma | then toy need to set a font, put in some text |
| 10:46.03 | mikma | toy=you |
| 10:46.17 | abyx | my problem was the scrolling |
| 10:46.41 | abyx | theres no documentation on ScrollingMessageFrame:ScrollUp() |
| 10:46.50 | mikma | why not see the original chatframe code? |
| 10:47.10 | abyx | that would probably help |
| 10:47.23 | abyx | although i'm doing all of the frame cration through lua instead of XML |
| 10:47.44 | abyx | but thats not important for scrolling is it |
| 10:47.54 | cladhaire | What do you need to know about :ScrollUp() |
| 10:47.57 | cladhaire | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/ScrollingMessageFrame |
| 10:48.55 | abyx | Well i tried mySMF:SetScript("OnMouseWheelUp",function() mySMF:ScrollUP() end) in hopes that ScrollUp() would scroll up by a set amount when the scroll up event fired |
| 10:49.08 | cladhaire | and? |
| 10:49.20 | abyx | nothing happend when i scrolled on the frame |
| 10:49.38 | cladhaire | well |
| 10:49.41 | cladhaire | did you enable mousewheel? |
| 10:49.49 | cladhaire | why are you using OnMouseWheelUp instead of OnMouseWheel |
| 10:49.52 | abyx | i didn't. but i bet that would have helped! |
| 10:50.14 | mikma | oh i thought you need the text scrolling ;) |
| 10:50.23 | abyx | i do |
| 10:52.27 | Lonny` | abyx: "although i'm doing all of the frame cration through lua instead of XML" I think you better consider reusing exsiting code over creating a frame for sake of creating it :P |
| 10:52.28 | mikma | function ChatFrame_OnMouseWheel(value) |
| 10:52.45 | mikma | found that in ChatFrsme.lua |
| 10:55.28 | abyx | i suppose i don't exactly need a whole new chat frame... just a frame with a scrolling message box in it that i can add messages to like a status frame |
| 10:57.21 | Lonny` | abyx: ah ok :) |
| 10:58.08 | mikma | abyx: ChatFrame1:AddMessage("poop") |
| 10:58.12 | mikma | there =D |
| 10:58.59 | abyx | is there multiple chat frames by default? like ChatFrame2? |
| 10:59.27 | foxlit | yes. Tabs. |
| 10:59.35 | mikma | 2, Chat#rfame1 for all messages and ChatFrame2 as combatlog |
| 10:59.43 | mikma | tpyos++ |
| 11:00.19 | abyx | oh :| i was thinking there was more than just chat/combat logs that were useable for whatever |
| 11:00.26 | abyx | wishful thinking |
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| 11:03.11 | mikma | abhyou can create more chatframes with lua |
| 11:03.22 | mikma | up to z7 i think |
| 11:03.25 | mikma | -z |
| 11:03.44 | abyx | hm |
| 11:03.57 | mikma | yeah, i need to sleep, too many typos |
| 11:04.48 | abyx | it's too bad clad|away is... away |
| 11:06.35 | foxlit | "... have a 50% chance to increase the attack power by 10% of raid members within 45 yards for 10 sec." |
| 11:06.40 | foxlit | number overload, grammar failing. |
| 11:07.46 | mikma | abyx: svn co -r100 http://mikma-wow.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/Oratoria@100 |
| 11:08.08 | mikma | abyx: theres my old old code i used to create, undock and do stuff at chatframes |
| 11:09.55 | mikma | FCF_OpenNewWindow(); FCF_UnDockFrame(ChatFrame3); FCF_SetTabPosition(ChatFrame3, 0) |
| 11:10.23 | mikma | not sure will that work anymore |
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| 11:15.51 | mikma | maybe i should recode that one, it was a cool addon |
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| 13:14.31 | benjr | i want to write an addon to do 1 specific thing, ive never made one before, wheres a good starting point? |
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| 13:15.18 | Kaso | first check whether your 1 specific thing is possibl |
| 13:16.34 | benjr | i want it to make the spell on my hotbar show how many stacks of that buff/debuff is on my target, and flash when it reaches 1 |
| 13:16.51 | cbreak | that's possible. |
| 13:16.55 | benjr | so there will be a number on top of the icon |
| 13:17.55 | cbreak | do you know how to program? Do you know lua? |
| 13:18.35 | cbreak | I would take a look at other addons that do similar things and look how they do it. |
| 13:19.33 | benjr | i know the general idea of programming, ive done a small ammount of php |
| 13:21.26 | cbreak | wow uses lua for code and optionally xml for UI |
| 13:22.16 | benjr | is there anything that tells me what each file type in an addons folder means, and what each must contain etc, once ive got liek a blank addon setup that i cna start putting the code into i can google the commands i need |
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| 13:22.58 | cbreak | http://www.wowwiki.com/Portal:Interface_customization |
| 13:23.16 | cbreak | all you need is a single toc file with meta data |
| 13:23.21 | cbreak | and a single lua file with code |
| 13:23.26 | alestane | Normally at this point I recommend wowprogramming.com, but I'm not sure how well it documents .toc files. You want want to take a look at the site cbrrwak just linked. |
| 13:23.35 | alestane | sp* |
| 13:26.36 | WobWork | http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=msmRwlg23Qc&fmt=22v |
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| 13:35.07 | Kaso | Only an hour an a half till fedora 10! |
| 13:35.27 | cbreak | fedora? ... |
| 13:35.39 | Kaso | yah |
| 13:35.44 | cbreak | lfs! :) |
| 13:36.20 | Kaso | that way too much effort |
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| 13:46.00 | Kaelten | abyx: total downloads are updated in real time daily downloads is a sliding avg that's updated daily |
| 13:48.03 | tlund | I LOVE fubar_garbage, but neither that addon, or the companion fubar_garbage_prices is beeing updated. :( does anyone know of a replacement? |
| 13:48.28 | mattbnr | wht does it do? |
| 13:49.45 | mattbnr | bottomlessbag i think does the same thing |
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| 13:51.47 | benjr | i see a lot of .xml files in addons folders, is atleast one of these require for an addon? |
| 13:52.53 | cbreak | no |
| 13:53.05 | cbreak | as I said, only one toc and one lua file is required. |
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| 13:58.03 | ddsmith | Testing... |
| 13:58.19 | WobWork | http://usernamecheck.com/ |
| 14:02.02 | WobWork | also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF6lxILnRuE |
| 14:09.25 | benjr | this might be a really stupid question, if there any way of testing an addon when wow servers are down? just seeing if the code is valid |
| 14:12.55 | cbreak | only in very limited circumstances |
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| 14:16.50 | Kaelten | anyone on a EU server willing to test a quick bug fix in OB3 for me? http://www.wowace.com/projects/onebag3/files/81-r50/ is the file that has the fix |
| 14:16.56 | Kaelten | all you have to do is enable bag break |
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| 14:20.47 | |pez| | So, guys, most effective place to farm Fel Iron Ore? |
| 14:20.53 | |pez| | I hear it's in Zangar, is this true? |
| 14:20.54 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, zenzio. Mind the cold germs, I hear they are contagious over the interwebs. |
| 14:21.03 | Lopeppeppy | I find that to be true, |pez|. |
| 14:21.09 | |pez| | Alright, off I go then! |
| 14:21.11 | |pez| | thanks |
| 14:21.12 | Lopeppeppy | Around the edges until you're dizzy. |
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| 14:21.20 | Lopeppeppy | Mind the ogres in the north west |
| 14:21.31 | zenzio | peppy: np, I just crafted my third FrR piece yesterday |
| 14:21.48 | |pez| | Are they scary ogres? |
| 14:21.52 | Lopeppeppy | I'm soooo cold zenzio. |
| 14:22.04 | |pez| | and can I swoop in with my flyer and mine them, and swoop out again? |
| 14:22.07 | Lopeppeppy | |pez|, if you're not of a good level to take them on, yes, they hit hard, like all ogres. |
| 14:22.18 | |pez| | I'm 73 |
| 14:22.29 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: come on over then, I have a nice warm blanket we could share |
| 14:22.30 | Lopeppeppy | Bah, they might not even aggro you then. :) |
| 14:22.36 | |pez| | yay |
| 14:22.46 | Lopeppeppy | zenzio, you dog, taking advantage of a sick girl. |
| 14:22.59 | |pez| | I'm leveling my jewelcrafting, it's hard work when I've not stocked up on ores and gems. :P |
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| 14:30.42 | p3lim | ~seen seerah |
| 14:30.45 | purl | seerah <n=Ryan_L@adsl-177-45-178.mem.bellsouth.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 2d 10h 29m 12s ago, saying: 'yep, that returns a value of 1-4'. |
| 14:32.39 | p3lim | Anyone knows of an addon that lets you add custom spells that will say custom stuff in custom channels when used? |
| 14:32.50 | p3lim | :p |
| 14:33.08 | |pez| | Uurgh, I wanna be able to prospect adamantite |
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| 14:33.24 | |pez| | I need 3 more in JC skill... |
| 14:33.43 | Lopeppeppy | p3lim, what does Cogwheel's MacroTalk offer you for that? His is the best I know of for that sort of thing. |
| 14:35.40 | p3lim | not exactly |
| 14:35.49 | zenzio | perhaps AfterCast? |
| 14:35.50 | p3lim | thought the /group feature is one of the things |
| 14:36.05 | p3lim | no |
| 14:36.23 | p3lim | Broadcaster notifies on sheep |
| 14:36.27 | p3lim | I need one for sap |
| 14:36.38 | p3lim | But Id prefer a custom one |
| 14:37.02 | p3lim | customizeable one* |
| 14:37.04 | cbreak | I have a sheep macro that whispers all who target my future sheep while I sheep it. |
| 14:37.33 | p3lim | macros can spam |
| 14:38.12 | cbreak | yeah. mine has a cooldown of 10 secs though |
| 14:38.16 | benjr11 | are lua case sensitive? |
| 14:38.19 | cbreak | yes |
| 14:38.20 | p3lim | yes |
| 14:38.25 | p3lim | Lua is :p |
| 14:38.38 | cbreak | and lua devs are very sensitive about LUA |
| 14:38.45 | p3lim | Lua*! |
| 14:38.49 | krka | cbreak: The name of the language is Lua, not LUA. :-D |
| 14:38.52 | cbreak | see? :) |
| 14:39.06 | benjr11 | im stepping on toes already |
| 14:39.19 | Quaiche | Nah... just ignore them benjr11 :) |
| 14:39.27 | p3lim | grr... |
| 14:40.20 | krka | nah, asking questions is not stepping on toes |
| 14:41.25 | cbreak | just don't ever complain about lua arrays using 1 as first index by tradition... |
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| 14:51.34 | AbsoRayne | XD |
| 14:51.37 | AbsoRayne | This movie is great |
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| 14:52.07 | Lopeppeppy | You were yawning. How is the movie great if you're yawning? |
| 14:52.48 | AbsoRayne | Cause I just unpaused it |
| 14:52.53 | AbsoRayne | :P |
| 14:53.17 | Lopeppeppy | Whatcha watching? |
| 14:53.22 | AbsoRayne | Hancock |
| 14:53.30 | foxlit | Hm, Dr. Terrible |
| 14:53.47 | foxlit | They could've used a better kill quote |
| 14:54.01 | |Jelly| | I liked that movie ... until like half way through. |
| 14:54.32 | AbsoRayne | ? |
| 14:55.00 | |Jelly| | Hancock |
| 14:55.05 | Lopeppeppy | I got a little sense of jumping the shark at about that point too, Jelly, but I did still like the rest of the plot. |
| 14:55.28 | Lopeppeppy | However, AbsoRayne is still watching, so I wont' ruin it for him. |
| 14:56.51 | |pez| | Eh, fork, I'mm buy the rest of my Fel Iron Ores. -__- |
| 14:56.56 | |pez| | only need a few more anyway |
| 14:58.35 | |Jelly| | ~|pez| |
| 14:58.39 | |Jelly| | Been there before. |
| 14:58.46 | |Jelly| | And I totally meant ... |
| 14:58.50 | |Jelly| | ~hug |pez| |
| 14:58.51 | purl | ACTION jumps into |pez|'s lap and huggles and *hugs* |pez| |
| 15:04.30 | |pez| | Do I now hug purl or |Jelly|? :P |
| 15:04.51 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. |
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| 15:13.03 | AbsoRayne | blah |
| 15:14.20 | AbsoRayne | I woke up sideways on my shoulder again >_< |
| 15:16.16 | Engale | that's not so bad, I got my shoulder peirced then fell off my bed and tore them out |
| 15:16.20 | Lopeppeppy | Don't do that, it hurts. |
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| 15:19.31 | Trixer | shoulder percings? |
| 15:20.28 | Engale | surface percin's on my shoulder |
| 15:20.46 | Trixer | Thats kewl... |
| 15:20.54 | Engale | they where going to be the eyes for a dragon tatoo i was going to get later |
| 15:20.58 | Trixer | Ahh |
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| 15:21.02 | Trixer | Thats even cooler |
| 15:21.30 | Engale | well it's not going to happen for another year at least so :( |
| 15:21.34 | Trixer | aww |
| 15:21.43 | Trixer | my dads a tat artist so I get my tats for free |
| 15:22.00 | Engale | i can get all my stuff free too... |
| 15:22.08 | Engale | but you can't get a tat on open flesh |
| 15:22.12 | Trixer | yeah |
| 15:22.20 | Trixer | its gonna take a year to heal though? |
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| 15:22.37 | Engale | no, for the scarin' to finish goin' away |
| 15:22.52 | Trixer | That sucks :( |
| 15:23.05 | Engale | yeah there is a small hole in my shoulder |
| 15:23.20 | Engale | on the bright side... |
| 15:23.31 | Engale | i don't fall off my bed anymore for any reason |
| 15:23.54 | Engale | or find myself layin on that shoulder at least |
| 15:25.04 | Trixer | are you in a bunk bed? |
| 15:25.52 | Engale | and Rayne, if you need a way to stay sleepin' on your back, try fallin' asleep in reclined position, you can't role over |
| 15:25.52 | Engale | no, just a regular bed |
| 15:25.52 | Lopeppeppy | Body pillows, IMO |
| 15:26.46 | Trixer | mmmm body pillows |
| 15:26.55 | Engale | x.x |
| 15:26.57 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, body pillows. Mine is velvet so it holds in body heat. |
| 15:27.07 | Trixer | mmmm body heat |
| 15:27.11 | Engale | x.x |
| 15:27.23 | Trixer | lol |
| 15:27.33 | Engale | lol |
| 15:27.54 | Engale | is there a way to test a mod while your not able to log into wow? |
| 15:28.05 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. |
| 15:28.11 | Engale | darn |
| 15:29.56 | Engale | so no developin' on tuesday for me :( |
| 15:30.33 | Engale | oh well i have a site to code too back into the fire I guess |
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| 15:33.20 | Trixer | When your in warsong gultch and someone grabs the flag does it come up on the combat log? |
| 15:34.23 | cbreak | it should |
| 15:34.34 | cbreak | it applies a buff |
| 15:35.28 | Trixer | oh it does? |
| 15:36.01 | Trixer | Well i want to make a UI mod that simply tells the player names of the flag holders for warsong gultch |
| 15:36.01 | cbreak | I think so. |
| 15:36.21 | cbreak | you can parse the battle messages |
| 15:36.28 | cbreak | it tells you who takes and drops them |
| 15:36.31 | cbreak | bg wide |
| 15:36.31 | Trixer | yeah |
| 15:36.37 | Trixer | Thats what I figured I would do |
| 15:36.38 | cbreak | not only limited to combat log range |
| 15:36.49 | Trixer | yeah i just found the event that fires |
| 15:37.16 | Trixer | Would it be possible for me to show these players life bars as well? |
| 15:37.22 | cbreak | no |
| 15:37.25 | Trixer | i think it would be possible for me to do it for the teammates |
| 15:37.29 | Trixer | ahh ok |
| 15:37.31 | cbreak | unless you are happy with guessing |
| 15:37.34 | Trixer | no |
| 15:38.25 | Trixer | and you cant target anymore via a ui mod right? |
| 15:38.31 | cbreak | you can |
| 15:38.37 | Trixer | incombat? |
| 15:38.37 | cbreak | if you use the secure api |
| 15:38.39 | cbreak | yes |
| 15:38.45 | cbreak | that's how Unit Frame addons work |
| 15:38.48 | Trixer | ahh |
| 15:39.01 | Trixer | so I could make it so that you could target the two people holding the flags as well? |
| 15:39.22 | benjr11 | Aside from not doing much, would this work? Be kind its my first attempt:p http://wowuidev.pastey.net/102736 |
| 15:39.53 | cbreak | you could, IF you set it up out of combat |
| 15:40.37 | Trixer | Ben I dont see anything that stands out of why it wouldnt work.... |
| 15:41.07 | Trixer | cbreak, so yeah I wont be able to make it so that while they are in combat they can click the flag carrier and target them correct? |
| 15:41.50 | benjr11 | Trixer: thats a confidence booster, atleast i know im on the right track before i start trying to make it do anyhting |
| 15:41.53 | cbreak | you can |
| 15:41.59 | cbreak | if you set it up before they go into combat |
| 15:42.28 | Trixer | ?? |
| 15:42.36 | Trixer | im confused |
| 15:43.38 | cbreak | ok, example: |
| 15:43.45 | cbreak | you get the flag. I am out of combat |
| 15:43.46 | Trixer | Im sorry im new at this |
| 15:43.50 | cbreak | I can make a frame that targets you |
| 15:43.58 | cbreak | this will work when I am in combat too |
| 15:44.26 | Trixer | Right |
| 15:44.31 | cbreak | then you drop the flag and your low life druid colleague takes it to score in an unfair manner |
| 15:44.40 | cbreak | but I can't change my frame since I am in combat |
| 15:44.42 | Engale | you can target in combat because it's apart of the combat |
| 15:44.45 | cbreak | so it will still target you |
| 15:45.19 | Trixer | I see |
| 15:45.49 | cbreak | once I get out of combat, the unit frame associations can be updated |
| 15:45.56 | cbreak | so it will target the nasty evil druid |
| 15:46.02 | Trixer | so can a unit frame "target" a character with out it being the players "main target" |
| 15:46.12 | cbreak | yes |
| 15:46.17 | Trixer | Ohh thats awesome! |
| 15:46.20 | cbreak | there are many addressable units |
| 15:46.23 | cbreak | all raid members |
| 15:46.26 | cbreak | all party members |
| 15:46.29 | cbreak | their pets |
| 15:46.31 | AbsoRayne | Movie over ^_^ |
| 15:46.31 | cbreak | their targets |
| 15:46.33 | cbreak | your focus |
| 15:46.41 | Trixer | Where would I be able to go to read about making a unit frame? |
| 15:46.42 | cbreak | you can even target yourself |
| 15:49.04 | AbsoRayne | 9,439.0MB to be removed. (Approximate size) HORRAY FOR CLEANING |
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| 15:49.21 | cbreak | cleaning? |
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| 15:49.35 | AbsoRayne | Deleting all my old shows and stuff I dont watch anymore |
| 15:50.11 | |pez| | Pondering deleting old crappy quality rips, and download better shinier rips of things. |
| 15:50.18 | cbreak | you do not have the heart of a collector |
| 15:51.22 | Trixer | Anyone know where I can read on how to make unit frames? |
| 15:52.14 | cbreak | read the docs on wowwiki or something |
| 15:52.22 | cbreak | maybe read the code of some interfaces |
| 15:52.32 | Trixer | yeah im reading the wowwikie have been wfor a while haha |
| 15:53.05 | cbreak | they didn't even put it into an mpq |
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| 16:13.34 | Cidan | When I become president |
| 16:13.48 | Cidan | I'm going to make it illegal for WoW to go down, for any reason |
| 16:13.52 | Cidan | punishable by death. |
| 16:13.55 | Cidan | or cake |
| 16:13.59 | Cidan | one or the other. |
| 16:14.20 | kamdis | I'll have the cake please. You can give the death to Blizzard. |
| 16:15.10 | Semhirage | THE CAKE IS A LIE |
| 16:15.17 | Semhirage | =P |
| 16:15.21 | Cidan | LOL HOW ORIGINAL CAKE IS A LIE LOLOLOL |
| 16:15.23 | Cidan | Jesus |
| 16:15.26 | Cidan | Cake or Death? |
| 16:15.27 | Cidan | Uhhm |
| 16:15.30 | Cidan | Cake please |
| 16:15.40 | Cidan | Cake or Death? |
| 16:15.44 | Cidan | Death |
| 16:15.48 | Cidan | NO WAIT I MEAN CAKE |
| 16:15.57 | Cidan | AHAAAAA TOO LATE YOU SAID DEATH! |
| 16:16.00 | Cidan | But I meant cake! |
| 16:16.04 | Cidan | ...Oh alright, give him cake. |
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| 16:17.33 | Cidan | Eddie Izzard, in case you're wondering. |
| 16:17.42 | Lopeppeppy | Good moring, Cidan. |
| 16:18.03 | Cidan | Lopeppepppepepepepepyeeypeyepyeyeyyyy |
| 16:18.04 | Cidan | Morning |
| 16:18.09 | Cidan | Lopeppeppy: I'm dating a red head, =D |
| 16:18.53 | Cidan | And, AND! As an added bonus, I stole her away from a douche bag guild mate. |
| 16:19.53 | Seerah | is this a real life girl friend or an in-game girl friend? ;) |
| 16:19.57 | Lopeppeppy | Congratulations, Cidan. |
| 16:20.17 | Lopeppeppy | Speaking as a redhead, be careful with those, they are a lot of work. But worth it, if you really try. :) |
| 16:20.44 | kamdis | How true, Lopeppeppy, how true. |
| 16:20.45 | cogwheel | MORNING!!!!1 |
| 16:20.55 | kamdis | Morning Cog! |
| 16:20.55 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, cogwheel. |
| 16:21.07 | Lopeppeppy | How a propos. http://xkcd.com/ |
| 16:21.14 | Cidan | Both, Seerah. I met her in a guild I joined, she lived out in Cali at the time, and she was in the middle of moving like, up the road from me. |
| 16:21.26 | Cidan | cogwheel: You're always wide awake and perky. IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN! |
| 16:21.26 | Seerah | nice |
| 16:21.41 | Cidan | Wow. |
| 16:21.44 | Cidan | Perfect xkcd. |
| 16:22.21 | Lopeppeppy | Very perfect. *grin* |
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| 16:24.02 | Cidan | Lopeppeppy: I've never been in a relationship where I haven't busted my ass to make the woman happy. I don't date unless I think it might be for the long haul. |
| 16:24.15 | Cidan | I'm a sucker for commitment. |
| 16:24.20 | Trixer | lmao |
| 16:24.20 | AbsoRayne | http://hdimage.org/images/vqv019o288nhcbqz9px_ocrnhot112408234019.jpg Such a sexy sexy shield <3 I wanna get online and play with it :( |
| 16:24.34 | Trixer | wow that is a nice looking shield |
| 16:24.52 | Trixer | its a shame that you use it as an ally... |
| 16:25.00 | Cidan | wow, I like that interface |
| 16:25.01 | Cidan | lol |
| 16:25.04 | Cidan | All of it is nice. |
| 16:25.21 | AbsoRayne | I need to upload it >_< I keep neglecting |
| 16:25.36 | Trixer | I think im going to make a druid |
| 16:25.44 | nevcairiel | i already feel weird looking at your font for a few seconds |
| 16:25.48 | nevcairiel | how can you stand it, its unreadable |
| 16:26.10 | Lopeppeppy | Serial committment? |
| 16:26.11 | kamdis | My DK don't need no stinkin' shield, AbsoRayne! :-P |
| 16:26.12 | Trixer | It dosnt bother me that much |
| 16:26.30 | AbsoRayne | I can read the font just fine. -shrug- |
| 16:26.34 | AbsoRayne | Lopeppeppy: D: |
| 16:26.48 | nevcairiel | specially on the tooltip |
| 16:26.50 | AbsoRayne | kamdis: Oh go Dual Wield tank somewhere else! hmph! |
| 16:26.52 | nevcairiel | for the item |
| 16:26.56 | Cidan | Lopeppeppy: Ya, I can't just "date", it's... hard for me. |
| 16:27.30 | Lopeppeppy | I hear you, Cidan. But it's refreshing when I can, because it makes it more likely that the dating will turn serious... does that make sense? |
| 16:27.43 | Lopeppeppy | I scare 'em off with wanting something with depth, instead of omg just a date. |
| 16:28.33 | Cidan | Really? |
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| 16:28.42 | Cidan | Something in depth == attracts me. |
| 16:28.51 | AbsoRayne | Lopeppeppy: Like I said, my biggest worry atm is the fact that I know that Dominos is going to need to be set, as well as ClassTimer and Omen, and im mentally unprepared for the waves of 'OMFG I CANT DO THIS MYSELF RAYNE HOLD MY HAND' |
| 16:29.49 | Lopeppeppy | Write one helpfile, once, and put it on the download site. Then make them all read it and STFU. |
| 16:30.08 | Lopeppeppy | Cidan, wish some guys like you lived up here, darlin'. Must be in the water in your area or something. :) |
| 16:30.41 | Cidan | Neh |
| 16:30.50 | Cidan | I'm starting to think two things |
| 16:31.09 | Cidan | one, I'm one of a kind (not in a big headed kind of way that I think I'm all that or anything) |
| 16:31.24 | Cidan | two, all this bullshit about how all women want is long term realtionships, is bullshit. |
| 16:31.25 | AbsoRayne | BY FIRE BE PURGED |
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| 16:31.54 | Lopeppeppy | You are unique, of course you are. I'm not all women, but I do admit I'd rather find a relationship that lasts more than a date. |
| 16:32.06 | AbsoRayne | For some reason |
| 16:32.14 | AbsoRayne | It copied Venture Brothers on there twice |
| 16:32.17 | AbsoRayne | not sure why... |
| 16:33.18 | AbsoRayne | Oh well |
| 16:33.29 | Cidan | OUR HOUSE |
| 16:33.32 | Cidan | IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR STREET |
| 16:33.49 | Lopeppeppy | Our house was our castle and our keep |
| 16:34.04 | AbsoRayne | Cidan: Might want to move that. Houses dont belong in the middle of the road. |
| 16:34.13 | Cidan | lol |
| 16:34.20 | Cidan | I always think the same thing when I hear that song |
| 16:34.22 | Cidan | I'm like |
| 16:34.29 | Cidan | Why is it in the middle of the street? |
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| 16:35.52 | AbsoRayne | Wow, the new Zune interface is really nice O_o |
| 16:36.26 | AbsoRayne | Its not laggy like the old one either |
| 16:37.18 | Lopeppeppy | All your Zune are belong to us. |
| 16:37.33 | AbsoRayne | Lopeppeppy: MEIN! |
| 16:37.36 | cogwheel | kamdis: >< |
| 16:38.33 | AbsoRayne | I need to find an MKV converter >_< |
| 16:38.55 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, foo. |
| 16:40.47 | Cidan | so I was explaining to the girl I'm seeing about what just happened, with the xkcd comic |
| 16:40.50 | Cidan | and she was like |
| 16:40.56 | Cidan | "I know xkcd, foo." |
| 16:40.58 | Cidan | like |
| 16:41.07 | Cidan | at the exact time Lopeppeppy typed the above. |
| 16:41.10 | Cidan | Creeepy. |
| 16:41.24 | Cidan | Must be a redhead hive mind. |
| 16:41.40 | AbsoRayne | O_o |
| 16:41.50 | Lopeppeppy | I told you to watch out, Cidan. |
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| 16:42.43 | kamdis | cogwheel? |
| 16:43.00 | Cidan | is a woman? |
| 16:43.04 | Cidan | no, no. |
| 16:44.15 | Seerah | now I have that song stuck in my head.... |
| 16:44.26 | Cidan | Me too |
| 16:44.31 | Cidan | stupid chorus |
| 16:45.05 | Lopeppeppy | What song? |
| 16:45.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: asking that question is usually a VERY BAD IDEA. |
| 16:45.22 | Seerah | no guesses? :P |
| 16:46.01 | Cidan | I have another song stuck in my head now |
| 16:46.15 | AbsoRayne | Why is it so annoyingly hard to move to Canada? >_< |
| 16:46.24 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: agreed |
| 16:46.29 | Cidan | Wise meeenn say |
| 16:46.32 | ScytheBlade1 | AbsoRayne: because it's a frozen wasteland? |
| 16:46.40 | Cidan | Only foools rush innn |
| 16:46.42 | cogwheel | Cidan: never judge book by its movie? |
| 16:46.42 | Seerah | only fooools rush in |
| 16:46.50 | Cidan | <3 Seerah. |
| 16:46.53 | Seerah | :D |
| 16:47.01 | Cidan | But I, can't, help |
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| 16:47.05 | Cidan | fallllinngg in loovee |
| 16:47.05 | Seerah | but I... can't help... falling in love with you |
| 16:47.07 | Cidan | wiiithhh |
| 16:47.08 | cogwheel | ...STATION! |
| 16:47.09 | Cidan | youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 16:47.09 | Lunessa | station. |
| 16:47.18 | Cidan | wut. |
| 16:47.36 | Cidan | Man |
| 16:47.41 | Cidan | I'm such a whore for anything romantic. |
| 16:47.48 | Lunessa | Wait, there's a love-fest and I didn't get invited? *sigh* Always the bride's mate, never the bride... |
| 16:47.56 | Cidan | lol |
| 16:47.58 | ScytheBlade1 | s/for anything romantic.// |
| 16:48.04 | Lopeppeppy | I was a bride once, it really sucks now. |
| 16:48.08 | Lopeppeppy | Don't do it, IMO |
| 16:48.14 | cogwheel | Cidan: do people think you're gay sometimes? (happened to me a lot) |
| 16:48.25 | Cidan | Yeah |
| 16:48.28 | Cidan | I get it a lot. |
| 16:48.47 | Lunessa | Well, but I think I'd look good in a white wedding dress. I mean, totally going drag to my own wedding would only get me lynched. |
| 16:48.47 | Cidan | When I was younger it offended me a lot, particularly growing up in Miami Beach |
| 16:49.20 | cogwheel | me to, less the miami beach part :P |
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| 16:49.44 | Cidan | Now, I sort of take it as a sign that I'm doing the right thing, I really do thing love and cherishing the woman of your life is just... |
| 16:49.44 | cogwheel | too* |
| 16:49.49 | Cidan | something that all men should do, always. |
| 16:50.03 | Cidan | s/thing/think/ |
| 16:50.08 | Cidan | aksdlasdj |
| 16:50.12 | Cidan | stupid perl |
| 16:50.16 | Cidan | purl |
| 16:50.22 | Lunessa | Cidan: Ah, the dreams and passions of youth. Wait until you're jaded and spiteful like the rest of us... |
| 16:50.27 | Cidan | Tsch |
| 16:50.31 | Cidan | I'm 26, not 12 |
| 16:50.36 | cogwheel | yeah... you know how they say all the good ones are taken or gay? well if people think you're gay but you're not and you're not taken then doesn't that mean you're a good one by definition? |
| 16:50.39 | Cidan | It's how I'll always be. |
| 16:50.46 | cogwheel | at least that's how i like to look at it :P |
| 16:50.51 | Cidan | Hah! |
| 16:50.55 | cogwheel | Cidan: me too... just turned 26 last friday :P |
| 16:51.02 | AbsoRayne | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYWQNVtVm1I This is such a good song |
| 16:51.06 | Lunessa | cogwheel: If being gay meant I got some action, I might consider it. :P |
| 16:51.11 | Seerah | happy birfday cog! |
| 16:51.23 | cogwheel | <3 |
| 16:51.53 | Cidan | Happy birthday, you silly cog you. |
| 16:52.10 | Lunessa | Indeed, happiest of birthdays. I shall smash a sprocket in your honor. |
| 16:52.22 | Lopeppeppy | LUNESSA! |
| 16:52.30 | Lopeppeppy | Bad monkey. |
| 16:53.02 | Lunessa | er, ook, ook? |
| 16:53.21 | Cidan | I'm an ape man, I'm an ape ape man? |
| 16:53.35 | Lunessa | I am the walrus. Coo-coo-ca-choo |
| 16:53.46 | Lopeppeppy | Bless you. |
| 16:54.10 | Cidan | Oh Lord, you've made my day Lunessa. |
| 16:54.18 | Lunessa | This is why taking the servers off-line in my morning times is a bad thing. I get silly. |
| 16:54.29 | Cidan | I wanted to code |
| 16:54.35 | Lunessa | Cidan: Glad to help. I'm a huge Beatles fan. |
| 16:54.52 | Lunessa | Which is terrible for everyone when I go to karaoke. |
| 16:55.19 | Cidan | HAH |
| 16:55.47 | Lopeppeppy | I like bubble gum pop! Tweet tweet. |
| 16:56.42 | Lunessa | I almost always sing "Come Together" - because I know all the words, and it's not pitched so high I have to crush my jimmies to hit the notes. |
| 16:57.19 | cogwheel | NO I AM TEH WALRUS! |
| 16:57.29 | Lunessa | You are the egg-man. |
| 16:57.34 | cogwheel | U NO TAKE BUKKIT |
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| 16:58.46 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5687519740&sid=1 (from back when the MVPs had walrus icons) |
| 16:59.00 | Lunessa | No guilds with the word "BUKKIT" appear to exist. |
| 16:59.04 | cogwheel | |Jelly|: /headdesk I just now got your response |
| 16:59.14 | foxlit | get on that! |
| 17:00.10 | cogwheel | (and everyone else's for that matter...) |
| 17:00.27 | Lunessa | foxlit: Nah, got my hands full with <The Round Table> <Dry Wit and Sarcasm> and <Grounding Totem> |
| 17:00.40 | foxlit | why the last one? |
| 17:01.07 | Lopeppeppy | Because it is made of awesome? |
| 17:01.18 | Lunessa | The first is a dead guild, the second is my banker, and the last is made of awesome and win. :) |
| 17:03.32 | Elkano | <NPC> |
| 17:04.13 | Cidan | so |
| 17:04.15 | Cidan | Elkano |
| 17:04.19 | Cidan | Wanna hear something funny? |
| 17:04.54 | Cidan | I still use your buff bars from like pre-BC, before you went Ace. I've been keeping it up to date. xD |
| 17:05.39 | Lunessa | Does your masochism know no bounds? |
| 17:05.50 | Lopeppeppy | I think the new girlfriend needs to know about that. |
| 17:06.03 | Cidan | wut. |
| 17:06.26 | Elkano | I know at least one other person that does, too ^^ so nothing new |
| 17:07.44 | Cidan | though I've got a buff bar system in conspiracy now, so, I may switch to that when... oh, I finish it today after the servers come back up, bleh. |
| 17:08.59 | Cidan | For those of you who have a 360 or PS3 and don't have GTA4, get it. It really is amazing; it's not like the other GTA's. The story in this GTA is... really, really engaging. |
| 17:09.32 | Cidan | I was pissed when I saw it got near perfect or perfect scores with everyone, I thought to my self, "Whatever, GTA doesn't deserve that, that's bullshit." |
| 17:09.38 | Elkano | or wait for the PC version :P |
| 17:09.42 | Cidan | Or that. |
| 17:09.43 | Cidan | lol |
| 17:09.57 | Cidan | D= |
| 17:10.14 | Cidan | You'll never defeat ANNNDRROOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS |
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| 17:12.19 | Trixer | I got it |
| 17:12.23 | Trixer | I havent played it much but its nice |
| 17:12.40 | Trixer | hmm anyone here play a druid? |
| 17:13.51 | End | umm, I used to, but I probably couldn't help you now :P |
| 17:14.01 | Seerah | mine is lvl 56 |
| 17:14.23 | Lopeppeppy | 52 here, but I used to live with someone with a 70 tank droooood. |
| 17:14.52 | Trixer | well im wanting to play a feral spec druid for pvp |
| 17:14.58 | Trixer | and im wondering if its worth it? |
| 17:15.37 | Lopeppeppy | Meow, shred, stealth, laugh, moonfire, laugh... why would it not be worth it? |
| 17:15.47 | Trixer | I have only played priests in the past... and I have a lvl 70 one.. but im looking to get away from priest and possibly play a druid... for arena. I have a hunter thats only like 30 or so and I like him but its just blah |
| 17:16.08 | Cidan | some day I'll level a druid |
| 17:16.20 | Lopeppeppy | My feral druid/holy paladin 2 team did fairly well in arena. |
| 17:16.42 | Trixer | I magically "found" this lvl 1-60 horde leveling guide.. so I think im going to try it out on my druid.. plus I reffered a friend so with tripple exp and he wants to lvl a mage... |
| 17:17.47 | Trixer | I think that we could get it done in a weekend full of wow... body oder and pizza... |
| 17:18.07 | Trixer | oh and caffine |
| 17:19.59 | Trixer | granted thats only 1-60.. but thats still a good little bit out of the way.. lol like 1/3 of the time |
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| 17:22.03 | Engale | woot created my own random picture generator in php! |
| 17:22.33 | Corr-work | a random picture generator, you say |
| 17:22.47 | Engale | yes. |
| 17:23.02 | Trixer | what kind of pictures does it randomly generate? |
| 17:23.14 | Engale | not that random. |
| 17:23.29 | Engale | it searches a db for certian sets of info.. |
| 17:23.48 | Engale | then randomly picks a picture and displays it |
| 17:23.51 | Trixer | ahh |
| 17:23.52 | Trixer | ok |
| 17:24.01 | Trixer | well thats a random picture displayer thingy |
| 17:24.05 | Trixer | :P |
| 17:24.17 | Engale | yeha get technical on me why don't you |
| 17:24.19 | Corr-work | an image randomly chooser and displayer |
| 17:24.43 | Trixer | haha |
| 17:24.44 | Engale | what would you prefer to actualy articulate? |
| 17:24.50 | Engale | your title or mine? |
| 17:25.45 | Engale | i'll take it that you like my title better then. |
| 17:25.49 | Engale | :D |
| 17:26.14 | Engale | it takes the user's prefrences into account... |
| 17:26.23 | Engale | if the user like the image more... |
| 17:26.30 | Engale | it has a better chance of being shown |
| 17:26.40 | opant2 | why not just call it, "Google Images:Random" |
| 17:27.01 | Engale | cuz i don't work for google |
| 17:27.11 | foxlit | So, clearly, porn. |
| 17:27.14 | Cidan | http://xkcd.com/243/ |
| 17:27.16 | opant2 | lol |
| 17:27.17 | Cidan | lolwut |
| 17:27.20 | Corr-work | random porn chooser? |
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| 17:29.45 | AbsoRayne | I love that term, Lame Duck |
| 17:29.50 | opant2 | that would work well |
| 17:29.59 | Engale | x.x |
| 17:30.03 | opant2 | just as the user gets to the images he/she likes...BAM! Shock porn |
| 17:30.22 | Shirik | well he's always been lame, AbsoRayne :) |
| 17:30.26 | Corr-work | nothing is shock porn if your interests are wide enough |
| 17:30.31 | AbsoRayne | Shirik: Very true |
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| 17:40.37 | alestane | There we go. |
| 17:43.07 | Shirik | can anyone recommend a good POP3 or IMAP server for Linux? |
| 17:43.15 | Cidan | uhm |
| 17:43.44 | Shirik | what do you use Cidan :) |
| 17:44.05 | ScytheBlade1 | dovecot |
| 17:44.13 | Shirik | I saw a recommendation for dovecot earlier |
| 17:44.25 | ScytheBlade1 | probably because it is awesome |
| 17:44.40 | Cidan | as an MTA? |
| 17:44.51 | ScytheBlade1 | POP3/IMAP != MTA |
| 17:44.54 | Cidan | or just imap? |
| 17:44.56 | Cidan | ya |
| 17:45.02 | Cidan | hm. I... don't know what I use. |
| 17:45.09 | Cidan | been so long since I set it up |
| 17:45.34 | erikd | qmail |
| 17:45.41 | erikd | and courier |
| 17:47.00 | Cidan | courier is what i use |
| 17:47.01 | Corr-work | this may sound silly, but i was not able to find a list of spells in the 4e D&D core books, from my brief glance through them. where are they? i see "rituals", but that can't be all. |
| 17:47.51 | Shirik | I'm currently using postfix as my MTA, and I think it works though hotmail is getting pissed at me |
| 17:48.18 | Shirik | I tried to test it through my forums by having my forums send an email, but live.com blocked the message because you can't send from that address :P |
| 17:48.59 | Cidan | imo |
| 17:49.02 | Cidan | if you own the domain |
| 17:49.08 | Cidan | use google mail |
| 17:49.13 | Cidan | I switched over to it a while ago |
| 17:49.30 | Cidan | web storage, imap, pop3, web interface, the works, all free. |
| 17:49.38 | AbsoRayne | Ah, stressball |
| 17:49.40 | AbsoRayne | how you keep me sane |
| 17:49.42 | AbsoRayne | ^_^ |
| 17:50.03 | Shirik | Well |
| 17:50.10 | Shirik | okay, maybe I'm misinterpreting this error |
| 17:50.27 | Shirik | though I do want to set up mailboxes anyway so I was going to start there |
| 17:50.30 | Shirik | but I could use gmail too |
| 17:50.36 | Shirik | but wtf does this mean |
| 17:50.45 | alestane | Corr-work: What sort of spells? If you're looking for wizard abilities, they're near the beginning under the wizard class. |
| 17:50.48 | Shirik | because it's getting spammed in /var/log/messages at a rate of about 5 times per second |
| 17:51.12 | Cidan | show? |
| 17:51.33 | Corr-work | thanks. i shall look there. |
| 17:51.44 | Shirik | Nov 25 11:52:54 localhost postfix/error[6067]: 7C9BD382B2: to=<root@li23-154.localdomain>, orig_to=<root>, relay=none, delay=172313, delays=172288/22/0/2.2, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (mail transport unavailable) |
| 17:52.27 | Shirik | "mail transport unavailable" confuses me, as isn't postfix my MTA? |
| 17:52.31 | Corr-work | this is a pretty sparse list, but maybe that's for good reason. anyway, i believe it's what i'm looking for >_> |
| 17:52.31 | Shirik | The very thing creating that message? |
| 17:53.01 | Corr-work | oh, i see, they totally reworked spells and levels and such |
| 17:53.14 | Cidan | Well |
| 17:53.21 | foxlit | mail servers/agent seem arcane |
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| 17:53.46 | Cidan | something is misconfigured as far as I can tell; you can't deliver mail. |
| 17:54.00 | foxlit | I was considering setting something up on my linode, but always got discouraged by the effort :/ |
| 17:55.47 | Cidan | did you check the log it self? |
| 17:56.02 | Cidan | in uh, /var/log/mail/ |
| 17:57.45 | AbsoRayne | I think im just going to stop reading the Role forums. |
| 17:58.15 | Trixer-work | why? |
| 17:58.18 | AbsoRayne | Amungst the good, reasonable, thought out posts are the 100s of 'Look at me flex my massive epeen in your thread' posts. Theres just too many of them. |
| 17:58.36 | AbsoRayne | The tanking forums especially |
| 17:59.24 | Corr-work | to many, if not most, people, WoW is a struggle to stand out in the crowd, to individualize a little |
| 17:59.34 | Corr-work | posting their peens on the forums is one way they can accomplish this |
| 17:59.48 | Trixer-work | Yeah.. thats pretty much why I stay away from the forums |
| 17:59.56 | Lopeppeppy | I've found **nothing** good on the role forums, at all. |
| 17:59.59 | Corr-work | it's no different from someone wearing a title, or collecting achievements, or pulling out an uncommon pet |
| 18:00.01 | Cidan | MY UI IS BETTER THAN YOUR UI |
| 18:00.03 | Cidan | LOLOL |
| 18:00.12 | Cidan | Sorry |
| 18:00.17 | Corr-work | all of that is the same epeen-stroking |
| 18:00.17 | Cidan | Continue; |
| 18:00.19 | Cidan | er |
| 18:00.21 | Cidan | Continue. |
| 18:00.21 | Trixer-work | cause most of it is littered with immaturaty.. and the ones that are thought out and responsible just get replys like "l2p" or "lolol" |
| 18:00.23 | Cidan | damn C |
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| 18:00.36 | Lunessa | station |
| 18:00.42 | Cidan | wtf is this station shit |
| 18:01.01 | Corr-work | brb, time for another meeting. |
| 18:01.14 | Shirik | Cidan: I think /var/log/mail doesn't exist |
| 18:01.23 | Shirik | gentoo seems to like to compress everything into /var/log/messages |
| 18:01.24 | Cidan | lolwut |
| 18:01.35 | Cidan | neh, it has to have its own log file somewhere |
| 18:01.39 | Trixer-work | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/druid/talents.html?tal=00000000000000000000000000005032321303220103531203030130100550301230000000000000000 |
| 18:01.44 | Cidan | check your cf file |
| 18:01.45 | Trixer-work | what do you guys think about the above druid spec? |
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| 18:02.46 | Trixer-work | yeah neither do I, expect I think im going to be able to rip some peoples face off lmao |
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| 18:03.14 | Lopeppeppy | Trixer-work, this is the spec of the druid I was talking about earlier. http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Argent+Dawn&n=Koadalan |
| 18:03.24 | Cidan | Shirik: check /var/log/mail.log |
| 18:03.45 | Cidan | though hm |
| 18:03.54 | Shirik | ne pas exister |
| 18:03.55 | Cidan | Shirik: what else does it say? |
| 18:04.02 | Cidan | Do you get like, any other error? |
| 18:04.07 | Cidan | file not found anywhere or something? |
| 18:04.09 | Trixer-work | Lopeppeppy: Thanks.. also anyone know what the diffrence between bear and dire bear is.. im trying to find when you get dire bear form on thottbot and cant find it |
| 18:04.18 | Shirik | fixed |
| 18:04.25 | Cidan | what was it? |
| 18:04.25 | Shirik | it seems to work now that dovecot is installed |
| 18:04.29 | Cidan | hah |
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| 18:04.38 | Cidan | whatever works, i guess |
| 18:04.43 | Shirik | at least I assume this is fixed: |
| 18:04.43 | Shirik | Nov 25 13:04:02 localhost postfix/local[32539]: 1F4D9392FE: to=<root@li23-154.localdomain>, orig_to=<root>, relay=local, delay=0.82, delays=0.64/0.09/0/0.09, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to maildir) |
| 18:04.44 | Cidan | s/i/I/ |
| 18:04.48 | Shirik | also spammed a million times |
| 18:04.50 | Lopeppeppy | Bear comes first, and then you get dire bare later and it's better? |
| 18:04.53 | Cidan | yep |
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| 18:05.22 | alestane | Dire bear has more armor, basically. |
| 18:05.28 | Trixer-work | Ahh... |
| 18:05.31 | alestane | Ber at level 10, dire bear at 40. |
| 18:05.50 | Trixer-work | ohh yeah ok dire at 40 |
| 18:05.51 | Trixer-work | I see now |
| 18:05.58 | AbsoRayne | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12890875062&sid=1&pageNo=4#67 Point in what I was saying before |
| 18:06.03 | Shirik | hrm |
| 18:06.05 | Shirik | li23-154 log # postsuper -r ALL |
| 18:06.05 | Shirik | postsuper: Requeued: 4328 messages |
| 18:06.06 | AbsoRayne | Look up all his posts throughout the entire forum |
| 18:06.07 | Shirik | .... ow. |
| 18:06.50 | Cidan | rofl |
| 18:06.52 | Cidan | ahahaha |
| 18:07.16 | Cidan | Enjoy, =D |
| 18:08.47 | *** join/#wowuidev duaiwe (n=jonathan@65-101-132-180.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 18:12.59 | Trixer-work | yeah Im going to have to learn to tank as a drood |
| 18:13.12 | Trixer-work | one thing I liked about tanking in eq2 and in l2 was that you could use your tank abilities in pvp |
| 18:13.39 | NeoTron | http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j46/palacios_2006/rabbit_wolf.jpg roar |
| 18:13.49 | Cidan | man |
| 18:13.50 | Cidan | EQ2 |
| 18:13.54 | Cidan | I really liked that game |
| 18:13.57 | Antiarc | http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2596/featureiu1.jpg |
| 18:14.09 | Cidan | I loved housing in that game, I was a wood worker just so I could make housing crap. |
| 18:14.16 | Trixer-work | I really like EQ2 but man freaking level locking sucked |
| 18:14.30 | Trixer-work | and to be any good at pvp (which im a pvper) you have to level lock |
| 18:14.33 | Cidan | I played on a PvP server, and you couldn't ll PvP anymore |
| 18:14.34 | Trixer-work | and then it takes FOREVER to level |
| 18:14.44 | Shirik | eredar! |
| 18:14.46 | Shirik | pvp |
| 18:14.48 | Trixer-work | You sure Cidan? |
| 18:14.51 | Cidan | Yup |
| 18:14.55 | Cidan | They made it so you can't ll |
| 18:14.56 | Trixer-work | Wow thats awesome! |
| 18:14.58 | Shirik | oh don't give me "forever to level" |
| 18:15.02 | Trixer-work | Shirik... |
| 18:15.04 | Shirik | go play RF Online then you can complain about "taking forever to level" |
| 18:15.07 | Shirik | I promise you |
| 18:15.12 | Trixer-work | I have a max character on RF Online |
| 18:15.13 | AbsoRayne | ^ |
| 18:15.18 | Trixer-work | A driver... |
| 18:15.23 | Shirik | ha |
| 18:15.27 | Shirik | you played on a live server? |
| 18:15.32 | Trixer-work | and leveling a level locked eq2 character is much harder |
| 18:15.44 | Shirik | what server? |
| 18:15.46 | Trixer-work | yes Shirik.. I started playing when it was p2p |
| 18:15.55 | Shirik | I was playing from beta :) |
| 18:15.59 | Trixer-work | nice |
| 18:16.00 | Lunessa | Oh joy... today's happy news "Surprise, you have an unscheduled class to teach - on Mail Merge!" and "Oh, we're only opem until 5 tomorrow, so you have to be here at 8am." JOY! |
| 18:16.02 | Shirik | what server! |
| 18:16.08 | Cidan | Trixer-work: You will gain XP from PvP kills now even if you level lock |
| 18:16.23 | Cidan | Lunessa: yay. |
| 18:16.36 | AbsoRayne | I <3 BoF4 |
| 18:16.50 | Trixer-work | Yeah Cidan thats the way it was before |
| 18:16.59 | Cidan | EQ2's music as nice, and the game as a whole was fun, just, the person I played with (Shirik: Nancy) would fucking COMPLAIN EVERY SINGLE SECOND about how she sucked |
| 18:17.12 | Trixer-work | lol |
| 18:17.12 | Cidan | Until she QQ'd and quit. |
| 18:17.33 | Trixer-work | Dude I loved EQ2 it was just a bitch to be competive in pvp and still advance in the game. |
| 18:17.39 | Cidan | shrug |
| 18:17.44 | Cidan | I just level'd, I didn't care |
| 18:17.54 | Cidan | fuck all to level locking, I would max out and just rape shit |
| 18:18.11 | Lopeppeppy | cidan. unpolite |
| 18:18.20 | Trixer-work | Dude.. you cant just max level in eq2 and rape shit... |
| 18:18.20 | Shirik | I miss rfo :( |
| 18:18.27 | Shirik | I should make a mage in wow |
| 18:18.33 | Lopeppeppy | AFK sheeples. |
| 18:18.34 | Trixer-work | lmao Shirik |
| 18:18.35 | Shirik | so I can simulate calianas |
| 18:18.39 | Cidan | Trixer-work: I didn't have a problem with it, I was an assassin, and just, blew shit up. |
| 18:18.45 | Shirik | I wish they never increased the xp gain |
| 18:18.47 | Cidan | I'm not sure why everyone was complaining. |
| 18:19.01 | Trixer-work | Ahh assassins are a bit better at it but still I dont know about that.. I mean those points you get for pvping really helped... |
| 18:19.08 | Cidan | Lopeppeppy: Sowwy. |
| 18:19.08 | Shirik | not really |
| 18:19.12 | Shirik | there weren't enough assassins |
| 18:19.22 | Shirik | I still have a video from my leveling ways |
| 18:19.24 | Lunessa | EQ (original) seared my soul so bad that I swore never to play another Sony game. I wavered briefly and tried EQ2 - and ... didn't hate it, but didn't have much fun either. |
| 18:19.26 | Shirik | back at 45ish? |
| 18:19.29 | Trixer-work | I forget which server I was on but my server was full of assassins |
| 18:19.44 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoLa2-UWLUk |
| 18:19.58 | Trixer-work | I always loved that sins could track.. |
| 18:20.07 | Trixer-work | we used to roll with a dude that would track em down for us and we would just go rape them... |
| 18:20.28 | Trixer-work | Only thing he ever said to us was "Shh.. QQ on track get ready" |
| 18:20.34 | Cidan | lol |
| 18:20.44 | Cidan | I made my own UI for tracking |
| 18:20.49 | Trixer-work | nice |
| 18:20.51 | Cidan | hated the default tracking UI |
| 18:20.53 | Trixer-work | you can UI mod it? |
| 18:21.00 | Cidan | EQ2? Of course. |
| 18:21.07 | Shirik | www.eq2interface.com |
| 18:21.24 | *** join/#wowuidev KarlKFI (n=chatzill@adcom137.adcom.uci.edu) |
| 18:21.44 | Trixer-work | I didnt kow that |
| 18:21.51 | Cidan | I tell you |
| 18:22.00 | Cidan | what I did do was level lock for Heritage Quests |
| 18:22.01 | Trixer-work | I only played the game for about 3 months and then was depressed that i wasnt even close to max level cause of level locking and quite |
| 18:22.17 | Trixer-work | Yeah Heritage quests haha |
| 18:22.20 | Cidan | but other wise, I just unlocked and level'd |
| 18:22.26 | Shirik | level locking? |
| 18:22.45 | Cidan | You can lock your self at a level, so killing stuff nets you no XP |
| 18:23.27 | Trixer-work | and when you pvp you earned a special kind of exp |
| 18:23.37 | Trixer-work | that gave you points in a talent tree more or less that was pvp specific |
| 18:23.53 | Trixer-work | it was a kewl idea, but man people would just max out those trees be like lvl 30 and would rape a lvl 50 that didnt level lock no problem. |
| 18:24.16 | Trixer-work | its basicly how eq2 characters are "twinked" |
| 18:24.25 | zenzelezz | think I played EQ2 for about three weeks... got tired of being owned by mobs or groups of mobs because I couldn't figure the ^^^^^^ vvvvv difficulty indicator stuff |
| 18:24.49 | Cidan | I want WoW to have a housing system |
| 18:24.50 | Cidan | like |
| 18:25.13 | Cidan | I love how LotRO did housing, but I hated how you could only place items in certain slots |
| 18:25.21 | Cidan | I want free form item placing like EQ2 |
| 18:25.30 | Trixer-work | eq2 houseing was awesome |
| 18:25.34 | Cidan | but the neighborhood idea from LotRO |
| 18:25.43 | Trixer-work | never did lotro |
| 18:25.48 | erikd | i want armor dummies so i can put my t2,3,4,5,6 somewhere other than my bank |
| 18:26.06 | Cidan | it's neat, you buy a house in a plot of land, and people can come and visit it |
| 18:26.19 | Cidan | neighborhoods are instanced, so, it's nice. |
| 18:26.32 | Trixer-work | that spretty kewl |
| 18:26.37 | Trixer-work | I got a genie bottle in eq2 |
| 18:26.47 | Trixer-work | that was like your own little instanced arabian chill pad |
| 18:26.49 | Trixer-work | it was pretty awesome |
| 18:27.15 | Cidan | I got a flying carpet from the TCG |
| 18:27.26 | Trixer-work | I had one |
| 18:27.29 | Trixer-work | I miss eq2 :( |
| 18:27.35 | Cidan | I do too, hah |
| 18:27.37 | Trixer-work | I liked the classes too |
| 18:27.42 | Cidan | So did I |
| 18:27.46 | Cidan | and the races |
| 18:28.00 | Trixer-work | yeah |
| 18:28.02 | Trixer-work | I was the cat race :D |
| 18:28.05 | Trixer-work | and a healer |
| 18:28.14 | Trixer-work | and I liked the fact you could mounts at any level all you had to do was pay for them |
| 18:28.19 | Cidan | I liked how you could switch sides |
| 18:28.21 | Trixer-work | and blam your on a useful mount.. that you can fight on! |
| 18:29.01 | Cidan | How you could switch from Good to Evil, and you would be allowed or disallowed into certain towns |
| 18:29.10 | Cidan | or how you could be rogue, and not be allowed into anywhere |
| 18:29.11 | Trixer-work | yep |
| 18:29.31 | Cidan | EQ2 doesn't get enough credit |
| 18:29.44 | Cidan | Really when you look at it, WoW has like, no features compared to other MMO's |
| 18:30.10 | Trixer-work | yeah |
| 18:30.13 | Thrae | WoW has one major feature most other MMOs lack: Success. |
| 18:30.16 | Shirik | servers appear to be coming online, fyi |
| 18:30.21 | Trixer-work | I agree Thrae |
| 18:30.29 | Trixer-work | but thats because it got eq1s raid following |
| 18:30.32 | Shirik | I only see 8 but they appear to be up |
| 18:30.34 | Trixer-work | it has a nice art style.. thats easy on the eyes |
| 18:30.38 | Trixer-work | and pretty simple game play |
| 18:30.43 | Trixer-work | its designed well over massive features |
| 18:30.52 | Cidan | I just wish it had things like housing |
| 18:30.56 | Cidan | and more social stuff |
| 18:31.12 | |pez| | Guild Castles, or something fun like that |
| 18:31.22 | |pez| | I also want to be able to make my own shop in WoW. |
| 18:31.34 | KarlKFI | wow != neopets |
| 18:31.34 | Thrae | WoW isn't exactly innovative except in the fact they decided NOT to implement anything innovative (or later stripped out the innovative stuff) to make it simplier for the common gamer. |
| 18:32.15 | Trixer-work | yeah |
| 18:32.15 | Cidan | wahhoo |
| 18:32.15 | |pez| | KarlKFI: More like a bubble above my head, like in Ragnarok Online, if anyone played that. |
| 18:32.17 | Cidan | Eredar up |
| 18:32.18 | Cidan | back to code |
| 18:32.25 | Trixer-work | Wow is a very common gamer friendly game which is why it enjoys success |
| 18:32.25 | Shirik | ~kill Cidan |
| 18:32.26 | purl | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged fluxphoton gun at Cidan |
| 18:32.32 | Trixer-work | I played RO |
| 18:32.44 | |pez| | It was fun. |
| 18:32.49 | Trixer-work | RO was fun... for a while |
| 18:32.51 | |pez| | cute graphics too. |
| 18:32.54 | Shirik | what was your name in RFO, Trixer-work |
| 18:32.56 | Trixer-work | until people learned ot abuse the stat system |
| 18:33.08 | Trixer-work | Shirik it was Eclipse.. and honestly I dont remember which server i played on... |
| 18:33.18 | Shirik | guild? |
| 18:33.20 | Cidan | lol |
| 18:33.22 | Cidan | I just did /who |
| 18:33.29 | Cidan | 48 people on in my entire server |
| 18:34.17 | Trixer-work | Shirik: Knights of Grr lol |
| 18:34.24 | Shirik | KoS? |
| 18:34.33 | *** join/#wowuidev smcn (i=smcn@75-164-148-143.ptld.qwest.net) |
| 18:34.48 | Trixer-work | KoS? |
| 18:34.49 | AbsoRayne | Realms are coming up |
| 18:34.52 | AbsoRayne | Kill on Sight |
| 18:34.54 | Shirik | Their leader tried to get me fired. Failed miserably though. |
| 18:34.58 | Shirik | no, Knights of Shadow |
| 18:35.03 | Trixer-work | lmao |
| 18:35.16 | Trixer-work | No Shirik: "Knights of Grr" |
| 18:35.19 | Shirik | ok |
| 18:35.24 | Shirik | I still have respect for you then |
| 18:35.27 | Trixer-work | Haha |
| 18:35.34 | Trixer-work | Didnt they take down the RFO servers? |
| 18:35.37 | Shirik | yeah a while ago |
| 18:35.41 | Shirik | well maybe not a while ago |
| 18:35.44 | Shirik | maybe a month? |
| 18:36.13 | Trixer-work | yeah |
| 18:36.16 | Trixer-work | I havent played in a few months |
| 18:36.26 | Shirik | I left shortly after elan opened |
| 18:36.42 | Trixer-work | I really wish like WoW and EQ2 would take a running start at each other and collide into one game |
| 18:36.58 | Trixer-work | cause EQ2 had awesome world pvp.. it basicly rewarded people for world pvp |
| 18:37.15 | Shirik | I loved RFO. I wish it survived |
| 18:37.20 | duaiwe | ew. world pvp is the last thing wow needs. |
| 18:37.22 | Shirik | There have been times I've considered making a game like it |
| 18:37.27 | Shirik | CW was the best mechanic I've seen in a while. |
| 18:37.31 | Shirik | And it's an autobalancing game |
| 18:37.43 | zenzelezz | CW? |
| 18:37.44 | Shirik | 3 way fights allow for alliances, etc. |
| 18:37.45 | Trixer-work | Shirik: You know how to make games? |
| 18:37.56 | Shirik | I know enough that I should be able to get by, I think |
| 18:37.59 | Cidan | NightHawkTheSane: What. |
| 18:38.01 | Shirik | I have never actually tried to |
| 18:38.05 | Cidan | World PvP is the FIRST thing WoW needs. |
| 18:38.07 | Trixer-work | Shirik mind if I have a moment of your time in whisper? |
| 18:38.12 | Shirik | uh, sure |
| 18:38.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Cidan: only if it's relegated to a small and remote corner of the game. out of the way of everyone else. |
| 18:38.44 | Cidan | NightHawkTheSane: No. |
| 18:38.57 | Cidan | If you don't like it, go play on a carebear server and keep PvP off. |
| 18:39.02 | Trixer-work | NightHAwk: No |
| 18:39.06 | *** join/#wowuidev |Jelly| (n=chatzill@66-169-186-78.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) |
| 18:39.07 | Trixer-work | I agree Cidan |
| 18:39.11 | NightHawkTheSane | I do. |
| 18:39.15 | NightHawkTheSane | pvpers can all diaf. |
| 18:39.42 | Shirik | world pvp is great |
| 18:39.55 | *** join/#wowuidev Dashkal (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 18:39.58 | Trixer-work | diaf? |
| 18:40.03 | Shirik | ~diaf |
| 18:40.04 | purl | ACTION refuses to die! |
| 18:40.05 | Shirik | er |
| 18:40.09 | Shirik | diaf = die in a fire |
| 18:40.13 | Shirik | ~wtf diaf |
| 18:40.14 | Trixer-work | Ahh |
| 18:40.23 | Trixer-work | Well as long as its the fire of nother player besting me.. its all good |
| 18:40.27 | |Jelly| | [12:38]<NightHawkTheSane>pvpers can all diaf. -- Couldn't agree moar. |
| 18:40.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Dewin (n=Daniel@c-71-193-237-252.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 18:40.44 | Trixer-work | Why do none pvpers make characters in pvp realms then? |
| 18:40.59 | Trixer-work | You know people are going to kill you, and then you whine about it... I dont understand |
| 18:41.04 | NightHawkTheSane | because they want to play with their friends, who insist on rolling on pvp realms. |
| 18:41.08 | |Jelly| | Because when I rolled, I had a group of real life friends that were there. |
| 18:41.12 | Trixer-work | I adventure everyday hoping.. praying that someone comes to gank me or I find someone else... |
| 18:41.16 | Dewin | Some of the most hardcore raiding guilds are on PVP servers IIRC |
| 18:41.18 | alestane | I wouldn't mind world PvP if there was a way to keep it in sane level ranges... it was being camped by level 60s as a level 24 and then having them laugh at me that got old. |
| 18:41.26 | NightHawkTheSane | god forbid we ACTUALLY wan to play with our friends |
| 18:41.34 | |Jelly| | And now that they're gone, one by one, I've contacted Blizzard numerous times for a blanket charge to transfer all of my characters off a PVP realm. |
| 18:41.36 | Shirik | you're not allowed to have friends, NightHawkTheSane |
| 18:41.41 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: i wouldn't mind pvp if there wasy no way for ANYTHING to forcibly flag you. |
| 18:42.05 | Trixer-work | Just suck it up and learn to kill people.. |
| 18:42.09 | Shirik | Cidan: You use courier? |
| 18:42.15 | Dewin | I wish you flat out couldn't attack horde guards or players if you were unflagged without explicitly using /pvp |
| 18:42.20 | NightHawkTheSane | no. i don't want to. i shouldn't have to. |
| 18:42.23 | Cidan | Shirik: Yeah, but I haven't touched it in ages |
| 18:42.27 | Shirik | uh |
| 18:42.33 | Cidan | Shirik: And before you ask, I use debian, apt ftw. |
| 18:42.35 | Shirik | I just realized I'm recompiling postfix and it's pulling in courier too |
| 18:42.44 | Dewin | Having horde jump in front of my mouse cursor when I'm trying to loot/accept a quest/etc = bleh. |
| 18:42.44 | Trixer-work | NightHawk: You are on a pvp server.. you do have to... its PVP... |
| 18:42.49 | |Jelly| | [12:41]<Trixer-work>Just suck it up and learn to kill people.. -- the most asinine statement I've heard all day |
| 18:43.00 | Trixer-work | lmao |
| 18:43.12 | Trixer-work | I mean if you guys want a pvp lite server I understand |
| 18:43.20 | Trixer-work | but its a pvp server, you shouldnt be able to opt out of pvp if you dont want to |
| 18:43.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Trixer-work: no, I don't. it's only pvp because a bunch of you mouth breathing inbred retards like to make everyone elses life miserable by killing them while they're trying to ACTUALLY play the game. |
| 18:43.25 | NightHawkTheSane | fucking dipshits. |
| 18:43.25 | Trixer-work | thats what a pve server is for :P |
| 18:43.31 | Dashkal | God forbid we actually play the parts of the game we find fun with people we enjoy playing with |
| 18:43.42 | Cidan | That's what PvE is for, wtf |
| 18:43.45 | Trixer-work | I play the game.. |
| 18:43.47 | Trixer-work | but i also kill people |
| 18:43.47 | Cidan | Every time I see horde |
| 18:43.47 | NightHawkTheSane | you should ALWYAS be able to opt-out. pvp servers need to be removed. |
| 18:43.49 | Cidan | it's like |
| 18:43.51 | Cidan | <stab> |
| 18:43.56 | Trixer-work | lmao |
| 18:44.03 | Cidan | what the fuck, NightHawkTheSane, you're just trolling now. |
| 18:44.12 | Trixer-work | First off NightHawk.. I dont think you need to make it personal with the comments about what kind of person I am in rl. |
| 18:44.16 | NightHawkTheSane | you can't even opt out of pvp on pve servers, it's seriously fucked up |
| 18:44.25 | Trixer-work | I pvp because I enjoy a challenge... one that is provided by matching my wits and skilsl agsent a real player. |
| 18:44.26 | |Jelly| | No, it's the same argument that you're giving -- "L2pvp" essentially |
| 18:44.27 | Cidan | Yes you... can? |
| 18:44.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Trixer-work: no, i do, because it's honestly how i feel. :) |
| 18:44.33 | Trixer-work | After you do a raid a billion times you can do it with your eyes closed. |
| 18:44.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Cidan: not with pvp-based achievements that are TIED IN to pve achievements |
| 18:44.42 | Cidan | Just don't enable the PvP flag? |
| 18:44.50 | Cidan | OH NO, ACHIEVEMENTS |
| 18:44.53 | Cidan | HEAVEN HELP US |
| 18:44.57 | Cidan | So just don't get them. |
| 18:44.58 | Trixer-work | lmao not achievements |
| 18:45.05 | NightHawkTheSane | that's absurd. |
| 18:45.11 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik|Ecole (i=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 18:45.11 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik|Ecole] by ChanServ |
| 18:45.11 | Trixer-work | Your absurd |
| 18:45.14 | Cidan | And it's absurd that I have to raid to get my own? |
| 18:45.14 | Dewin | Cidan: All's it takes is a flagged horde running over your mouse cursor when you're right clicking something else, poof, you're flagged. |
| 18:45.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i don't mind not trying for the pvp achievements, that's fine. But the world event achievements are idiotic to have pvp components |
| 18:45.22 | Shirik | HAHA DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS |
| 18:45.27 | Cidan | Done |
| 18:45.28 | Cidan | Anyway |
| 18:45.32 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: then ignore them |
| 18:45.37 | NightHawkTheSane | and let's not forget "hi, we'll not tell you this quest flags you until AFTER it already does" |
| 18:45.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: and if i want the title? |
| 18:45.44 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (n=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 18:45.44 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 18:45.51 | Dewin | NightHawkTheSane: I know of no quests that PVP flag you without warning. |
| 18:45.56 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: The title requires PvP. Deal with it or go without |
| 18:45.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: there's one in icecrown |
| 18:45.59 | Trixer-work | Lmao NightHawk.. seriously dude.. go play final fantasy if you want a single player experience.. or PSO or something... |
| 18:46.07 | Dewin | Then it's a bug, and should be reported+fixed |
| 18:46.11 | Cidan | I think it's bullshit that I need to raid to get my achievements. |
| 18:46.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Trixer-work: how about you go back to trolling level 10s in durotar? |
| 18:46.15 | Cidan | They should remove raids |
| 18:46.17 | Cidan | raids are fucking bullshit |
| 18:46.18 | |Jelly| | Trixer: Grats on missing *THE WHOLE* point. |
| 18:46.25 | Trixer-work | No I understand the whole point |
| 18:46.33 | Trixer-work | Thanks though Jelly |
| 18:46.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Cidan: you don't need to pvp to get raid based achievements, and you don't need to raid to get pvp based achievements, it a fine distinction. |
| 18:47.01 | Trixer-work | What im saying, is that you choice to be on a pvp server. You knew that when you started playing the game reguardless of friends or not.. so instead of having a bad time becuase your dieing |
| 18:47.03 | |Jelly| | We rolled a PVP server _to play with friends_ so to tell us to go play a single player game is absurd. |
| 18:47.07 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: the thing about that title is it's, well, a title. No in-game effect. You are in no way disadvantaged to not have it. Crying that you can't have it without doing something you hate is just whining |
| 18:47.11 | Trixer-work | put a little practise into pvp and you might just be good at it. |
| 18:47.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: yes it is. and i feel 100% justified in whining about it |
| 18:47.33 | Trixer-work | Thats like saying.. I want to eat my chocolate cake to say I ate it but I hate chocolate... |
| 18:47.34 | Dashkal | Ahh, so it is just trolling. Nevermind, carry on |
| 18:47.37 | |Jelly| | Again, someone telling people to L2PVP. Same bullshit responses I've heard all along. |
| 18:47.38 | Dewin | Unless you're one of those classes that Blizzard has in the past admitted is the hardest to play in PVP, say... a hunter. |
| 18:47.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Trixer-work: you totally miss the point, again. |
| 18:47.40 | Cidan | Truly, and I'm not saying one way or another what should be done, but saying that world PvP should just be removed is absurd. |
| 18:47.44 | zenzelezz | I'd play on a PvP server if people didn't feel the need to kill everything 20+ levels below them |
| 18:47.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Trixer-work: it's not that i'm bad at pvp. that's HARDLY the case. it's that i ACTIVELY DO NOT ENJOY PVP |
| 18:48.11 | Trixer-work | Dewin: I play a hunter.. pvp fine.. my best friend plays a hunter pvps great... I |
| 18:48.18 | Dewin | Trixer: As what spec? |
| 18:48.21 | Trixer-work | I understand its a bit harder but it just takes some time. |
| 18:48.21 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: really, that's what bothers me, is that when i'm out doing my thing, i just want to be left the fuck alone. |
| 18:48.30 | |Jelly| | Exactly |
| 18:48.42 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: that's why I stay on PvE servers. Only way to be sure |
| 18:48.45 | Trixer-work | NightHAwk: What bothers me is when im camping some ally night elf.. and he spirit reses after I camped him for an hour |
| 18:48.54 | Trixer-work | or the pali bubble hearths... |
| 18:48.56 | Trixer-work | I hate that shit... :P |
| 18:49.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Trixer-work: yeah, i'm sure it interrupts you're "i'm going to be a douchebag" time |
| 18:49.12 | Dewin | When we get the ability to dual-spec, I might PVP. Right now, it's not really an option unless I want to spend massive amounts of gold. |
| 18:49.16 | Trixer-work | NightHawk: No it interrupts my pvp practise.. |
| 18:49.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Trixer-work: same difference |
| 18:49.21 | Dewin | (I do do some battlegrounds occasionally though) |
| 18:49.35 | Seerah|away | camping isn't practice.... |
| 18:49.36 | zenzelezz | Trixer-work: how can you practice on someone who's utterly unprepared? |
| 18:49.44 | |Jelly| | Practice is camping a guy? So your idea of practice is killing a guy over and over again at 50%? CONGRATULATIONS! |
| 18:49.52 | Trixer-work | NightHawk: so why not take a little bit of time to learn to pvp and then when you do get attacked and give them a run for their money they will leave you alone? |
| 18:49.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Trixer-work: any form of camping makes you barely worthy to live, in real life. |
| 18:50.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Trixer-work: are you a fucking retarded illiterate monkey? |
| 18:50.12 | Trixer-work | Yes to all questions |
| 18:50.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Trixer-work: i already told you. it has nothing to do with how GOOD i am at pvp. |
| 18:50.16 | Seerah | keep it civil on both sides :P |
| 18:50.22 | Cidan | NightHawkTheSane: Seriously, chill out man. |
| 18:50.25 | |Jelly| | Or, take me for instance, HOW is killing a PROTECTION PALADIN or a HOLY PRIEST practice? What the hell are you practicing for? |
| 18:50.31 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: you sort of ruin your point by speaking like that |
| 18:50.54 | |Jelly| | Just give up, NightHawk; they're only going to regurgitate the same response: "L2PVP" and that's pretty much the end of the conversation. |
| 18:50.58 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: yeah, i'm an asshole. :) |
| 18:51.06 | Trixer-work | simply put |
| 18:51.06 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: more or less. |
| 18:51.07 | Cidan | Anyway |
| 18:51.11 | Trixer-work | L2PVP or go to a hug server |
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| 18:51.20 | |Jelly| | Trixer: Pay for it. |
| 18:51.23 | Trixer-work | but dont come to our house complaining that you are dieing.. when you signed up to die |
| 18:51.26 | NightHawkTheSane | die in a fire, douchebag |
| 18:51.33 | Cidan | NightHawkTheSane: What... is your problem? |
| 18:51.36 | Trixer-work | I do.. mages fuck me up alot |
| 18:51.43 | Cidan | What is with the personal attacks? |
| 18:51.59 | Trixer-work | Im not personally attacking anyone.. |
| 18:52.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Cidan: pvp mouthbreathers who ruin my game by making it miserable to actually play the game with my friends. |
| 18:52.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Cidan: that's a PERSONAL attack on me. |
| 18:52.12 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm returning the favor. |
| 18:52.17 | Trixer-work | Tell your friends to go to pve servers.... |
| 18:52.22 | |Jelly| | Camping someone is pretty personal IMO too. |
| 18:52.36 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: I hate campers as much as you do, but if you play on a PvP server, you play on a PvP server... it's really that simple |
| 18:52.41 | Cidan | Just, calm down, jeez. |
| 18:52.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Trixer-work: why don't YOU go to a pvp server? |
| 18:52.55 | Trixer-work | I am on a pvp server... |
| 18:52.56 | |Jelly| | But that's coming from someone who can honestly say that I've never camped anyone. *shrug* |
| 18:53.25 | Dashkal | I'll camp if someone pisses me off, but I almost never strike first. |
| 18:53.31 | zenzelezz | I remember camping lots in SWG... stupidest skill ever |
| 18:53.31 | Trixer-work | How long you get camped is totally up to you.. spirit res.. bubble hearth... all those things keep you from getting camped. |
| 18:53.47 | Trixer-work | Lol I never played SWG Zen was it good? |
| 18:53.48 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: which is why i transferred, but i'm fucked either way. i'm either not playing with my friends, or on a pvp server. great, I'm not having the fun I want to have, because some mentally challenged douchebag like Trixer-work gets his jollys by killing people minding their own business who don't even want to fight back |
| 18:53.53 | |Jelly| | I guess the end result is, I just don't get my jollies off killing someone who's just trying to grind out their quests so they can raid with their friends ... again, playing with friends. |
| 18:53.57 | zenzelezz | Trixer-work: I played it for two weeks |
| 18:53.58 | Dashkal | Trixer-work: you've never been camped by me when I'm pissed. Spirit rez will not save you. You log your ass out |
| 18:54.15 | Cidan | Anyway |
| 18:54.17 | |Jelly| | Zenzelezz: rofl ... I had to get ranger master for my holocron, back when the game was interesting |
| 18:54.18 | Cidan | I like pies |
| 18:54.24 | Cidan | I think pie is better than cake, actually. |
| 18:54.30 | Cidan | Cake is always so dry |
| 18:54.32 | Cidan | but pie |
| 18:54.34 | Cidan | fuck man |
| 18:54.35 | |Jelly| | The cake is a lie anyway. |
| 18:54.38 | Cidan | pie is like, moist goodness. |
| 18:54.39 | Trixer-work | Dash: Dude, thats what I like to hear.. Im in Gorganosh... come on. |
| 18:54.51 | Trixer-work | Pie is yummy |
| 18:54.58 | NightHawkTheSane | i hope you choke on your next pie |
| 18:54.58 | Trixer-work | but if cake is cooked right its soo moist and tender |
| 18:55.06 | Seerah | Cidan: you haven't had my cake |
| 18:55.14 | Cidan | I like Tres Leches cake, imo |
| 18:55.17 | Dewin | The cake is a lie. |
| 18:55.21 | Dashkal | Trixer-work: I'm actually more in NHTS's camp, though a little less rabid. I hate PvP but it's a choice between a pvp server or playing alone. I cope. |
| 18:55.24 | Cidan | Seerah: I'd like your... cake? |
| 18:55.33 | bleeter | pump it up, until you can feel it... pump it up when you don't really need it! |
| 18:55.47 | zenzelezz | Seerah: SS or it didn't happen |
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| 18:56.15 | Seerah | zenzelezz: of my cheesecake? |
| 18:56.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: you haven't even heard my ideas for modifying cities/guards to avoid people killing flight masters & quest givers, you want rabid? that's rabid :D |
| 18:56.21 | zenzelezz | Seerah: yes |
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| 18:56.31 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: :p |
| 18:56.41 | Trixer-work | No Rabid is killing the fly master so your prey has a harder time escaping... |
| 18:56.57 | Seerah | zenzelezz: it's the chocolate graham cracker crust and my secret that makes it extra nummy |
| 18:57.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: i'm talking spawning guards that agro on you, and do not tether. ever. until you die. |
| 18:57.22 | NightHawkTheSane | non-cc'able, see through stealth/vanish/vd |
| 18:57.27 | NightHawkTheSane | fd* |
| 18:57.41 | Dashkal | Long as it isn't killing the flight master from the bloddy duskwood roof, I'm good. Oh I so cannot wait to park my DK in duskwood and pull those pricks down |
| 18:57.45 | Trixer-work | lmao |
| 18:57.50 | Trixer-work | and then we can all stand around and hug each other! |
| 18:58.17 | |Jelly| | Would be more sport in that than killing someone levels below you who is unprepared. |
| 18:58.18 | Trixer-work | and listen to the crunk of our broken enemys skulls under our feat! |
| 18:58.26 | NightHawkTheSane | if it stops retards like you from ruining questing and traveling, that's awesome. |
| 18:58.46 | Trixer-work | I dont kill people more then 2 levels below me unless they attack me first or are grouped with peopel close to my level |
| 18:58.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: don't forget gadget, too |
| 18:59.05 | Trixer-work | I mean I want a potential challenge.. I dont want ot just ravish them cause they are 10 levels under me... unless im feeling evil... |
| 18:59.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Trixer-work: or look at you funny, or cross your path, or just happen to be within range of your spells/abilities. or, you know, are there. |
| 18:59.22 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: You know... I don't think I've ever been roof-ganked in gadget... But gadget is worse. You can't pull them off without getting gangbanged by the guards there |
| 18:59.25 | Trixer-work | NightHawk: Wow.. you know me so well... |
| 18:59.31 | |Jelly| | No offense, but I'm not inclined to believe you. You might be telling the complete truth but coming from a PVP server, I know that people that like to epeen on people don't care about levels. |
| 18:59.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: happened all the time on my old server |
| 19:00.03 | Trixer-work | Really, I pvp because it gives me the addreline rush.. gets my heart pounding and "zones me in" |
| 19:00.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Trixer-work: i have never, -ever-, seen anyone who actually enjoys world pvp and idiotic ganking who does NOT gank people at any level range, as long as they're there |
| 19:00.11 | NightHawkTheSane | with no exceptions |
| 19:00.12 | |Jelly| | I remember Gadget on my shaman back when lightning shield would get the guards on your ass. So fail. |
| 19:00.12 | Trixer-work | and if I just one shot you.. I dont get that fix... so I want the fight to last a bit. |
| 19:00.17 | Corr-work | people who enjoy the game differently are idiots and retards |
| 19:00.28 | |Jelly| | I agree. |
| 19:00.30 | Corr-work | just so you know |
| 19:00.35 | Corr-work | totally correct on that point. |
| 19:00.37 | |Jelly| | Conform, assholes. |
| 19:00.40 | Trixer-work | lmao |
| 19:00.46 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: Should join my guild then. We do have players who enjoy world pvp and do not grey-gank |
| 19:00.47 | |Jelly| | Just conform ... to what *I* want. |
| 19:00.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: no offense, but i don't believe you :) |
| 19:01.05 | Trixer-work | I dont want you to conform, I want you to stop whining for jumping in the tiger cage and getting bit. |
| 19:01.09 | Dashkal | *shrugs* |
| 19:01.36 | Trixer-work | If there was a real world pvp system ikn place with rewards |
| 19:01.40 | Trixer-work | most people wouldnt get camp ganked |
| 19:01.45 | Corr-work | ah damnit, i still have my wireless turned on. now i don't know which adapter is being used for this connection. let me try... |
| 19:01.48 | Trixer-work | because pvpers would be fighting other world pvpers |
| 19:01.51 | |Jelly| | No, you want us to conform. you've said it numerous times in numerous ways that all boil down to one concise statement: L2PVP. |
| 19:02.09 | |Jelly| | Honestly though, I feel bad for the lower level DKs on PVP servers. |
| 19:02.10 | Trixer-work | BECAUSE YOUR ON A PVP SERVER! |
| 19:02.32 | NightHawkTheSane | who the fuck cares? |
| 19:02.37 | NightHawkTheSane | LEAVE PEOPLE THE FUCK ALONE |
| 19:02.40 | Trixer-work | I understand you have friends.. damnit if you have friends to play with.. get them to watch yoru back! |
| 19:02.41 | Corr-work | make me |
| 19:02.53 | Trixer-work | L2PVP and make me leave you alone! |
| 19:03.01 | Corr-work | thus is the rule of pvp servers. you want me to leave your little level 2 buddies alone? make me |
| 19:03.06 | Trixer-work | big fish eats little fish.. and so on and so forth... |
| 19:03.10 | |Jelly| | And as you've so conveniently missed a couple times, I'm trying to solve that issue without paying for every one of my characters to be transferred off. Release server that hasn't had a split in as long as I can remember = :| |
| 19:03.43 | Dashkal | One thing I've found that really does make PvP servers bearable is having a guild that's willing to protect its own. |
| 19:04.00 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: forget, he's a pvper, the only th ing that gets through his retarded and atrophied mind is the catcheism "l2pvp" |
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| 19:04.03 | Corr-work | i hated pvp when i played, so a pvp realm would be about the last thing i'd want to be involved in |
| 19:04.05 | |Jelly| | Ok question ... why are the forums ... not in English? lol |
| 19:04.11 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: idiots like him can't comprehend anything else |
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| 19:04.34 | Corr-work | but i understand what a pvp realm is about, and it's not about questing unmolested, getting along with happy diablo rainbows |
| 19:04.46 | |Jelly| | NightHawn: I'm really not trying to be insulting but his solution isn't as simple as he thinks. I'm a TANK and a HEALER. Those two don't exactly PVP well so I can't just "L2PVP" like he (they) seem to think. |
| 19:04.46 | Dashkal | On my server I firmly believe the horde would win the way simply because when a hordie gets ganked, they get backup. When an alliance calls out for backup, then get told to L2PvP or PvP on a PvP server, cry more, etc |
| 19:05.03 | Trixer-work | NightHawk... seriously dude.. personal attacks.. thats not kewl.. I understand you dont like the way I enjoy the game.. but seriously.. that just makes you look bad. |
| 19:05.06 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: yeah, see i -am- trying to be insulting. :) |
| 19:05.07 | Corr-work | it's about your opponents being valid targets for whatever you can get away with doing to them |
| 19:05.13 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 19:05.21 | Corr-work | NHTS does not understand what pvp realms are about |
| 19:05.22 | |Jelly| | Well, I think it's working. |
| 19:05.35 | Corr-work | you cannot blame him for resorting to personal attacks when he runs out of points to back his claims |
| 19:05.39 | Trixer-work | Jelly, I play a priest... a healing priest... .. healers pvp just as well as any other clas.. just diffrently. |
| 19:05.44 | Cidan | bgFile="Interface/GLUES/COMMON/Glue-Panel-Button-Up-Blue" |
| 19:05.45 | Cidan | why |
| 19:05.47 | Cidan | is this not working? |
| 19:05.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Trixer-work: like i give a shit how some idiot pvper like you thinks? IF you think? i mean, i know you're using your entire two synapses to utter the words "l2pvp" over and over. so it's tough for you to think about anything else |
| 19:05.55 | |Jelly| | Trixer: Armory link. |
| 19:06.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Corr-work: i understand it's about being an asshole and griefing people who just want to play the fucking game |
| 19:06.09 | |Jelly| | And if your character is pvp specced or geared, you lose that argument. |
| 19:06.16 | Trixer-work | one sec Jelly let me fetch it |
| 19:06.31 | Corr-work | if you understand that, then what is the argument about? i admit, i jumped in without actually knowing what the sides are |
| 19:06.45 | Slakah1 | NightHawkTheSane: surely people should be allowed to play the game in whatever way they see fit. |
| 19:06.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Corr-work: the arguement is that i want to -play the fucking game- |
| 19:06.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Slakah1: exactly! |
| 19:06.54 | bleeter | Shirik, clad|away, kd3: PING! |
| 19:06.58 | Corr-work | you're upset that you are playing on a pvp realm? |
| 19:07.03 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: No you do not. You want to play a different game |
| 19:07.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Slakah1: and that includes me playing with my friends, on whatever realm they're on, and NOT BEING FUCKING GRIEFED |
| 19:07.09 | Slakah1 | NightHawkTheSane: no I'm aggainst what your saying |
| 19:07.11 | |Jelly| | Slakah1: Ok, I want a powerleveler to get me to 80. (EXTREME example, I know) |
| 19:07.39 | Corr-work | you want pvp realms to be changed for you and the other people who want pvp realms to be different, at the expense of all those who like them as they are? |
| 19:07.40 | Slakah1 | I think PvPs who enjoy killing should get to play the game they want to play |
| 19:07.40 | NightHawkTheSane | i don't care if the pvp kiddies go around murdering each other all day long |
| 19:07.42 | NightHawkTheSane | that's fine |
| 19:07.49 | NightHawkTheSane | just stay the hell out of may way |
| 19:08.00 | Corr-work | the way you're talking, it REALLY sounds like you want a pve realm, NHTS |
| 19:08.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Corr-work: why do you think i play on one? |
| 19:08.12 | Corr-work | is blizzard still charging $25 to move characters around? |
| 19:08.21 | Corr-work | what's the argument about, then? |
| 19:08.28 | Corr-work | what do you want to happen? |
| 19:08.47 | NightHawkTheSane | but my friends are playing on a pvp server, so i'm out $50, and not playing with my friends, all because asshats like Trixer-work like making other people miserable |
| 19:08.48 | |Jelly| | Seriously, am I alone here? http://i37.tinypic.com/2j2iah1.jpg |
| 19:08.55 | bleeter | holy... fuck |
| 19:09.00 | Corr-work | it's because your friends enjoy a different playstyle than you do |
| 19:09.01 | Trixer-work | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Gorgonnash&n=Teebee |
| 19:09.07 | Corr-work | *from what you do |
| 19:09.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Corr-work: that's not the game i want to play, i'm paying $50 so FUCKING DIPSHITS THAT NEED TO DIE can play t he game THEY want? FUCK THAT. |
| 19:09.17 | Esamynn|Work | |Jelly|: no, the US forums really are in Korean |
| 19:09.20 | |Jelly| | pvp spec. pvp gear. |
| 19:09.21 | NightHawkTheSane | so yeah, pvpers are sub-human in my book |
| 19:09.39 | Trixer-work | Nighthawk: its as simple as moving to a pve server.. if your not getting your moneys worth on a pvp server... |
| 19:09.40 | Corr-work | i think my response to that must be, "cry more" |
| 19:09.43 | Trixer-work | please stop insulting people. |
| 19:09.44 | Corr-work | seriously, suck it up |
| 19:10.02 | Corr-work | you agreed to play the game that charges you $25 to change realms :| |
| 19:10.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Trixer-work: GO DROWN YOURSELF or read what i'm saying, because you're not. |
| 19:10.27 | Corr-work | i'm amazed they ever got away with it, but whatever. if you don't like WoW, you don't have to play. |
| 19:10.33 | |Jelly| | Esamynn|Work: So it's not just something messed up on my end? (No, I haven't looked at like the CSR/General forums) |
| 19:10.40 | Corr-work | you will not succeed in changing pvp realm rules to suit your desires |
| 19:10.42 | Dashkal | NHTS believes that he should be able to force his friends to play the game he wants to play so he can have his PvE and friends too... |
| 19:11.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: not hardly. i'm not stopping anyone from running around pvp flagged |
| 19:11.24 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: You willfully choose to ignore the difference between playing flagged and playing on a pvp server. |
| 19:11.28 | NightHawkTheSane | so if they, or ANYONE wants to be flagged, that's they're perogative. i just want to NOT be flagged. it's really simple |
| 19:11.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: there is no difference. |
| 19:11.36 | Shirik|Ecole | guys let's keep it a little more friendly |
| 19:11.39 | alestane | NightHawkTheSane: I hate PvP servers myself. But the whole point of having two realm styles is to accommodate people with different play interests. It sounds like you chose the wrong one for you. But this argument isn't getting anyone anywhere except angry. |
| 19:11.54 | Shirik|Ecole | I don't care about the argument but it's not necessary for all the threats |
| 19:12.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: wait, my bad, there IS a difference, it's the griefing and being an asshole.. |
| 19:13.10 | Dashkal | Like I said, you willfully ignore the difference. So really.. Cry more. |
| 19:13.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: the difference is stupid and meaningless |
| 19:13.26 | Corr-work | i don't get it. you know that pvp realms are full of assholes. you decided to go there, then you got upset that there were assholes. |
| 19:13.37 | Dashkal | Cry more |
| 19:14.05 | Dashkal | These friends of yours you're trying to force into your game choose to play on PvP server with PvP rules. Deal |
| 19:14.09 | Corr-work | maybe what you want is a third realm type, that allows world pvp only among people within a few levels of each other? |
| 19:14.23 | Thunder_Child | ~lart bleeter |
| 19:14.23 | purl | takes out a cattle prod and gives bleeter a good jolt |
| 19:14.34 | Dashkal | Corr-work: oh god I've love a server that blocked grey-ganking somehow |
| 19:14.47 | Corr-work | i'm not surprised, i bet a lot of people would love that |
| 19:14.51 | Slakah1 | That would be pretty good. |
| 19:15.06 | alestane | You could /deathwish if you didn't mind. |
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| 19:15.28 | Corr-work | it's conceivable that i might even almost enjoy such a thing, if i didn't hate pvp in every form >_> |
| 19:15.29 | alestane | Or it would happen if you attacked someone to whom you were grey. |
| 19:15.32 | Trixer-work | See now grey ganking blocking would be nice |
| 19:15.35 | Trixer-work | cause that lame |
| 19:15.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: i'm not trying to force them to do anything, the /pvp command is wonderful. i'm saying it's idiotic to have a server where you can't opt out of being griefed by childish assholes like Trixer-work |
| 19:16.00 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: People playing on PvP servers are ACCEPTING THAT RISK. |
| 19:16.07 | Corr-work | it's idiotic? but people enjoy it. blizzard makes money. i think that's brilliant. |
| 19:16.13 | alestane | NightHawkTheSane: So basically it sounds like what you're saying si you think all servers should be PvE. |
| 19:16.34 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: indeed, flag up if you like being griefed. :) |
| 19:16.41 | Lopeppeppy | NightHawkTheSane, darlin'. *hugs* Breathe. |
| 19:17.09 | Dashkal | About the only way such a system could actually work is if you could only flag in a rest area. |
| 19:17.11 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: people who want "world pvp" can flag up and do it to their hearts content. people who just want to get on with the ACTUAL game can do so. no harm no foul |
| 19:17.21 | Dashkal | The ability to flag at will grants a very large advantage to the one who flags second |
| 19:17.22 | Corr-work | a Semi-PvP realm type where the pvp flag is optional and means you can be attacked by people more than a few levels above you, and otherwise you're always attackable by people of similar or lower level? |
| 19:17.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: restrictions on when you could flag would be fine, too |
| 19:17.33 | bleeter | there's a guy works down the chip shop swears he's elvis... just like you swore to me you'd be true |
| 19:17.41 | bleeter | there's a guy works down the chip shop swears he's elvis... he's a liar and i'm not sure about you |
| 19:17.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: that'd actually be a good idea, maybe a "respec pvp flag" thing |
| 19:17.58 | Dashkal | Too harsh, thenm you're into old MUD-style pvp rules. No good |
| 19:18.11 | Dashkal | Diablo 2 Style is a decent compromise |
| 19:18.14 | NightHawkTheSane | what was wrong with them? |
| 19:18.26 | Corr-work | ew, d2 style >_> |
| 19:18.36 | NightHawkTheSane | d2 doesn't really work in wow, though |
| 19:18.37 | Slakah1 | What did Diablo 2 do? (never played it) |
| 19:18.39 | Dashkal | Corr-work: it negates the advantage you gain by flagging second |
| 19:18.45 | Dashkal | In diablo 2 you could only flag in town |
| 19:18.46 | Trixer-work | if you want d2 style play guildwars |
| 19:18.59 | Corr-work | true. we're talking about how this would work on a semi-pvp realm after all, not pve |
| 19:19.21 | Trixer-work | lmao pvp lite |
| 19:19.22 | Corr-work | in d2, you could go hostile with anybody, and it would force them into going hostile with you. it could only be turned on in town, yeah. |
| 19:19.44 | Corr-work | the classic thing was for sorceresses to put up a bunch of hydras, town portal, and go hostile with the rest of the party |
| 19:20.00 | Corr-work | Blizzard EVENTUALLY put a stop to that |
| 19:20.02 | Dashkal | Corr-work: not quite what I mean. You'd still only be able to attack other plagged players. I just meant the in-town aspect. This way you can't run into the middle of a fight, lock onto their healer, and only flag when you're actually striking |
| 19:20.10 | Dashkal | Turns everybody into a rogue with perfect stealth |
| 19:20.16 | Dashkal | (the current system) |
| 19:20.29 | Corr-work | indeed |
| 19:20.32 | NightHawkTheSane | It'd be nice if the only way to toggle your flag one way or another was an in-town switch or something |
| 19:20.44 | NightHawkTheSane | not let you accept pvp quests if you're not flagged, etc. |
| 19:20.49 | Dashkal | But this idea has issues. Playing in enemy towns, for example |
| 19:20.59 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 19:21.04 | Trixer-work | abandon the pvp quests as soon as you get them? |
| 19:21.05 | Corr-work | hopefully not a physical "switch", which is camped by 50 enemy players :3 |
| 19:21.15 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: PvP flagged quests make you confirm before accepting. If you take it, you flag |
| 19:21.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Corr-work: it would be in a sanctuary/city :p |
| 19:21.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: not all of them |
| 19:21.36 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: all pvp quests that forcibly flag you do |
| 19:21.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: there's one in icecrown that does NOT flag you, but the quest mobs DO. |
| 19:21.54 | Dashkal | fine. You still make the decision to flag by attacking the mobs |
| 19:22.09 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, but i wasn't paying close enough attention, which admittedly is my bad |
| 19:22.09 | Corr-work | i remember a horde quest in the hinterlands that does not flag you until some action you take |
| 19:22.16 | NightHawkTheSane | but there was no warning on the quest text itself |
| 19:22.23 | Dashkal | mmm, that's a bad thing then yes |
| 19:22.42 | Dashkal | There's an alli quest in grizzly hills that annoys me. It's in the lead up for DT and it sends you into one of the PvP areas |
| 19:23.11 | Dashkal | You will end up flagged doing it, because a horde guard will see you unless you time it _perfectly_ |
| 19:23.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: anyway, re: playing in towns, they have the "trespasser" thing now, it'd be trivial to apply that to enemy cities/towns when you're not flagged |
| 19:23.24 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: that's one solution, yes |
| 19:23.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: given current game mechanics, not a bad one, really |
| 19:25.09 | Corr-work | damn, the flamefest is over :( |
| 19:25.25 | Corr-work | i have to get back to work ._. |
| 19:26.38 | Dashkal | sorry to dissappoint :p |
| 19:26.39 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, im sorry to be reasonable about possible solutions.. |
| 19:27.22 | Corr-work | but, but, i have to write C++ in Borland C++ Builder 6 |
| 19:28.01 | Shirik|Ecole | uh |
| 19:28.01 | Corr-work | it's like an episode of Dirty Jobs without all the glamorous poo |
| 19:28.07 | Shirik|Ecole | nobody writes C++ in Borland C++ |
| 19:28.29 | Shirik|Ecole | you just spew out shit, then the compiler turns it into diarrhea |
| 19:28.33 | kamdis | hahaha I used to work at Borland |
| 19:28.38 | Corr-work | well, we write something that looks similar. it's more Borland++. |
| 19:30.00 | Trixer-work | lol |
| 19:30.45 | foxlit | Arthas as a vehicle is mildly amusing. |
| 19:31.05 | Trixer-work | anyone got that 20k gold mammoth yet? |
| 19:31.09 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: and oddly appropriate? :p |
| 19:31.51 | Dashkal | Trixer-work: I've seen one in Ironforge on Maelstrom, anyway |
| 19:32.05 | Trixer-work | Haha, I want to get one and run people off a cliff! |
| 19:32.06 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: oddly fun. |
| 19:32.16 | Dashkal | My GL is trying for a bike first. Damn thing is _expensive_ |
| 19:32.25 | Trixer-work | How much are they? |
| 19:32.29 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/11/25/funny-pictures-of-buddy-system-alwaiz-hold-hands/ |
| 19:32.43 | Dashkal | Approx 30k all bought. iirc the vendor mats are about 17k |
| 19:32.50 | Trixer-work | wow... |
| 19:32.58 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: icecrown quest, yes? heh, that was an awesome quest :) |
| 19:33.03 | Trixer-work | screw that I want to get one of the mammoths first.. they carry more then 1 person dont they? |
| 19:33.10 | Dashkal | Yep. Vendors too |
| 19:33.22 | Trixer-work | they have venders? |
| 19:33.28 | Dashkal | One of the mammoths does |
| 19:33.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: 17k for vendor mats for the motorcycle? |
| 19:33.33 | leethal | what's the most sensible way for an addon to notice that it has been used or that the cooldown has finished? |
| 19:33.40 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: I might be off, but it's pretty expensive |
| 19:33.56 | leethal | I'm thinking the best way would be to seed a timer when an overpower is ready, and OnUpdate check if overpower is ready or not. Not sure how to check if overpower is ready or not, tho' |
| 19:33.57 | NightHawkTheSane | the 20k mammoth comes with 2 vendors, one sells reagents, one is a repair vendor. you can boot them off the mount to make room for actual players. |
| 19:34.15 | Trixer-work | Wow.. how many players can it hold? |
| 19:34.22 | NightHawkTheSane | read the tooltip? |
| 19:34.28 | NightHawkTheSane | look at wowhead? stop asking stupid questions? |
| 19:34.30 | Trixer-work | I havent seen it.. nor do I know what its name is |
| 19:34.39 | Corr-work | har har |
| 19:34.44 | NightHawkTheSane | i bet a trivial wowhead search would work |
| 19:34.50 | Dashkal | The mammoth is cheaper and holds more players (I think it's two). The bike is that expensive pretty much to make it rare. |
| 19:35.01 | Trixer-work | Or you could unequip your mask of douchebag and just tell me the name of it... |
| 19:35.11 | Corr-work | maybe he doesn't know the answers |
| 19:35.46 | NightHawkTheSane | i don't generally give answers that are easily searchable by retarded monkeys |
| 19:35.53 | Dashkal | I'll get one eventually, but that'll be next year sometime. My engineer is on hold until my DK hits 80. |
| 19:36.09 | Yssaril | what do you guys think http://ace.pastey.net/102759 compresses/decompresses numbers into base 254 (any improvements would be welcome) |
| 19:36.11 | Dashkal | I might just farm up the mats and cash and pester my GL |
| 19:36.23 | Trixer-work | im at wow head tried searching "Mammoth, Mammoth mount, 20k Mammoth, and WOTLK Mammoth" nothing |
| 19:36.44 | Corr-work | monkeys would already know the name of the mount |
| 19:36.48 | Corr-work | they are psychic |
| 19:36.54 | Dashkal | Trixer-work: I found it on my first search... |
| 19:36.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: as did i |
| 19:37.03 | Dashkal | hover over the tooltips |
| 19:37.07 | foxlit | The kid is begining to get suspicious |
| 19:37.23 | Slakah1 | Trixer-work: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44235 |
| 19:37.26 | Trixer-work | Omg the pvp is clouding my braind I guess I cant use searches please just tell me |
| 19:37.36 | foxlit | Or, rather, conspicuous. |
| 19:37.42 | Trixer-work | Thank you very much Slak |
| 19:37.42 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: indeed... |
| 19:37.49 | Dashkal | what's the ex discount? 20%? |
| 19:38.00 | NightHawkTheSane | 5% per rep level |
| 19:38.07 | Dashkal | lua> 20000 * 0.80 |
| 19:38.07 | lua_bot | Dashkal: 16000 |
| 19:38.15 | Dashkal | still ouch, but far far cheaper than the bike |
| 19:38.19 | Corr-work | unfortunately, i don't know anything about this stuff, Trixer |
| 19:38.30 | Trixer-work | Its kewl Corr I understand. |
| 19:38.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: and the mammoth pays for itself in convenience |
| 19:38.48 | Trixer-work | I was looking for mounts but I didnt relise they were in misc.. I figured it would be a catagory |
| 19:39.03 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: Eh, the repair vendor is non-factioned. So for selling junk, sure, but otherwise not really |
| 19:39.20 | Corr-work | for that price? the repairs should be free |
| 19:39.38 | Dashkal | If I've been raiding long enough to really need to repair on demand, I _really_ want an exalted repair vendor |
| 19:40.07 | Dashkal | I'll find it more useful as I level 80-90 |
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| 19:40.43 | Trixer-work | I want one of the magic carpets |
| 19:40.45 | Trixer-work | those look kewl |
| 19:40.49 | Corr-work | funny when the big mount is more useful for the next expansion than the current one |
| 19:40.55 | foxlit | I doubt you'd care while levelling. |
| 19:41.09 | foxlit | Quest pacing means you're in towns often enough |
| 19:41.16 | |Jelly| | Dashkal: IMO, a repair *anything* that you carry around should be Exalted. I mean ... why wouldn't something I made like me? :P |
| 19:41.24 | Corr-work | true. so it... really isn't all that useful at all |
| 19:41.27 | Dashkal | foxlit: Having a vendor in my bag that doesn't have charges would be handy enough for my druid who has very limited bag space (three sets at all times) |
| 19:41.56 | foxlit | carry less :) |
| 19:42.01 | Dashkal | My DK only has two, so tends to have enough space |
| 19:42.01 | Trixer-work | Do you use the addon wardrobe Dash? |
| 19:42.03 | AbsoRayne | http://bash.org/?869038 |
| 19:42.13 | Dashkal | foxlit: PvE/DPS, PvE/Tanking, PvP gear. All three at all times :p |
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| 19:42.18 | Dashkal | Trixer-work: Itemrack |
| 19:42.39 | Trixer-work | Ahh ok Dash, I thought maybe you had like feral and heal gear.. or something.. |
| 19:42.48 | Dashkal | Trixer-work: the heal set stays in the bank |
| 19:42.54 | Trixer-work | lmao ahh ok |
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| 19:43.26 | malreth | why am i korean today? |
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| 19:43.33 | Dashkal | malreth: forum bug |
| 19:43.40 | Trixer-work | forum bug |
| 19:43.56 | malreth | huh? |
| 19:44.07 | malreth | no... why am i craving kim chi |
| 19:44.12 | Trixer-work | wow I never relised there were so many mounts in wow |
| 19:44.36 | malreth | gah... i won't be happy until i have some spicy preserved cabbage |
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| 19:46.32 | Cidan | No, go fix Ace so it doesn't suck first. |
| 19:46.35 | Cidan | NO JUST KIDDING I LOVE YOU |
| 19:46.43 | Cidan | =D |
| 19:46.47 | ckknight | I don't work on Ace anymore |
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| 19:47.43 | Corr-work | wasn't ace3 named rawk, anyway? |
| 19:48.11 | Dashkal | hrm, given that I don't really need a vendor on my back, spending 8k for the sons of hodir one sounds like the best plan |
| 19:48.11 | ckknight | no, my own project is Rock |
| 19:48.15 | ckknight | Ace3 is separate |
| 19:48.47 | Corr-work | what's good about the new mounts, like that one, Dashkal? |
| 19:49.05 | Dashkal | Corr-work: the 8k one I'm referring to is also 3 person |
| 19:49.15 | Corr-work | is carrying other people desirable? |
| 19:49.31 | Dashkal | Corr-work: at times. Ever run lowbies through instances? |
| 19:49.57 | Corr-work | yeah, but flying mounts aren't usable in the old world anyway. or weren't back in the day. |
| 19:50.08 | Dashkal | Corr-work: Mammoth's don't have wings :p |
| 19:50.19 | ckknight | ...yet! |
| 19:50.20 | Corr-work | so they want you to spend 20kg on something that can't even fly? |
| 19:50.25 | Dashkal | I don't think there are any flying multi-mounts yet |
| 19:50.31 | Corr-work | this amuses me |
| 19:50.45 | Corr-work | i hope northrend has a lot of smooth terrain |
| 19:50.54 | Dashkal | That said, another advantage is that my "On a Pale Horse" isn't an aura. Getting on my mount is the only way to get the speed buff from me |
| 19:51.08 | Corr-work | so what's that buff? |
| 19:51.34 | Dashkal | I need to confirm that pale horse (20%) actually works with multi-seat mounts. They're technically vehicles so I don't know for sure it works. |
| 19:52.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: last i knew, vehicle-mounts did not work with crusader aura, or on a pale horse |
| 19:52.06 | Dashkal | Another side-effect is that on a vehicle you can jump off cliffs without recourse. Your mount takes the damage |
| 19:52.09 | Corr-work | i never learned what the result of the riding crop fiasco was |
| 19:52.11 | NightHawkTheSane | but that may have changed since beta |
| 19:52.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Corr-work: crop stops working at 71, end of story. :p |
| 19:52.25 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: damn |
| 19:52.50 | Dashkal | Still bitter about riding crops. Should have removed them outright, none of this ha ha you get to go slower because you hit 71 shit |
| 19:52.52 | Corr-work | i guess the little details don't matter, since i'm not playing |
| 19:53.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: they dont like outright removing things from the game |
| 19:53.27 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: So they picked a worse solution instead. Not impressed |
| 19:54.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: not arguing, but it certainly was the easiest one to implement |
| 19:54.23 | Dashkal | I'd argue that :p Making them defunct would have been easier |
| 19:54.46 | Dashkal | They did effectively remove the charm of swift flight. It's now a -mana cost to flight form trinket |
| 19:54.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: *shrug* without seeing the codebase, its impossible to know i guess :p |
| 19:55.11 | malreth | http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/sashafrerejones/2008/11/earliest-christ.html |
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| 19:55.58 | Corr-work | some guy doesn't like a band. news! |
| 19:56.08 | Trixer-work | what is it? |
| 19:56.15 | Trixer-work | wow.. ignore that |
| 19:56.20 | Corr-work | i don't know what the new yorker is, but i've heard the name before, which i THINK means it's supposed to be a reputable source of... something |
| 19:56.29 | Trixer-work | haha |
| 19:56.33 | Corr-work | this is disappointing as my first exposure to it |
| 19:56.45 | Trixer-work | My chat didnt scroll I was looking at something about an 8k mount that held people |
| 19:56.54 | Dashkal | Corr-work: It's something of a high-class off-color rag if you'll forgive the paradox. |
| 19:57.06 | leethal | so, I want to track overpower cooldown. The only way is to keep track of action bar slots and use GetActionCooldown, I guess? |
| 19:57.15 | bleeter | UK's Private Eye > all |
| 19:57.26 | Corr-work | i don't know what rag means |
| 19:57.28 | Trixer-work | Leethal |
| 19:57.37 | Trixer-work | You could read when its cast and then do a timer for it. |
| 19:57.47 | leethal | hmm, yeah, that's probably better |
| 19:58.05 | Dashkal | rag -> slang for magazine. |
| 19:58.06 | Trixer-work | I would assume thats how the other timer systems (like the one in xperl) works |
| 19:58.20 | Trixer-work | I thought the new yorker was a news paper? |
| 19:58.50 | leethal | don't really wanna hardcode the duration of an overpower, though =/ |
| 19:59.05 | Trixer-work | ohh it is a mag wow... |
| 19:59.32 | malreth | hmm... |
| 19:59.34 | foxlit | wru, voice acting :( |
| 19:59.48 | foxlit | I mean, Lich King, Tirion, epic dialogue... all muted :/ |
| 20:00.23 | Trixer-work | Leethal, is the cool down dynamic? |
| 20:00.29 | Trixer-work | ohh wait.. nevermind |
| 20:00.35 | Trixer-work | I see why you wouldnt wnat ot hard code it |
| 20:00.59 | leethal | Trixer-work: hmm, right, not the cooldown, but the amount of time you have to use overpower after something dodges |
| 20:01.37 | Trixer-work | I dont know Leethal Im not really the one to ask.. im still learning stuff my self. You probally know much more then I do. |
| 20:01.48 | leethal | =P |
| 20:02.25 | Trixer-work | What are you trying to do? lol... |
| 20:03.29 | leethal | show a frame when overpower is available |
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| 20:04.09 | Trixer-work | well then wouldnt it be assumed that you would just need to parse the combat logs for when something dodges |
| 20:04.14 | Trixer-work | and then show the frame? |
| 20:04.24 | leethal | yep, that's the easy part |
| 20:04.29 | leethal | when to hide the frame is not that easy, though |
| 20:04.50 | foxlit | leethal: there's presumably an API function that'll tell you whether a spell is castable |
| 20:04.55 | bleeter | kd3: I guess the first question is, does F10 blend? |
| 20:05.05 | leethal | foxlit: really? I've been browsin' around, haven't found anything though |
| 20:05.17 | leethal | foxlit: are you talking about http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetActionCooldown ? |
| 20:05.37 | foxlit | No, there's something else |
| 20:05.48 | foxlit | IsSpellUsable? |
| 20:06.04 | Trixer-work | Leethal: How long is overpower ready or whats the math for it? |
| 20:06.11 | Trixer-work | Cause couldnt you just code that in? |
| 20:06.32 | malreth | !api IsSpellUsable |
| 20:06.33 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'IsSpellUsable'. |
| 20:06.45 | malreth | !api IsUsableAction |
| 20:06.46 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'IsUsableAction' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsUsableAction |
| 20:06.55 | leethal | ah |
| 20:07.03 | leethal | Trixer-work: 8 seconds, I think |
| 20:07.06 | malreth | that was my good deed for the day |
| 20:07.13 | leethal | meh, action slot >< |
| 20:07.18 | malreth | now i will open dark corners in your minds |
| 20:07.20 | leethal | oh well, gotta keep track of that then, I guess =) |
| 20:07.27 | Trixer-work | If its 8 secounds |
| 20:07.31 | Trixer-work | why not just keep it up for 8 secounds? |
| 20:07.39 | leethal | what if it changes? |
| 20:07.46 | malreth | ^^^ |
| 20:07.56 | malreth | it future proofs your code |
| 20:08.00 | Trixer-work | I agree Leethal, but if you want easy your not going to get good :P |
| 20:08.38 | bnovc | did 3.1 come out today? |
| 20:08.42 | Trixer-work | Hmm so with that you would have to figure out what "slot" overpower was on to monitor it wouldnt you? |
| 20:08.47 | Corr-work | that would be like having cake AND eating it |
| 20:08.55 | Corr-work | contrasted with just eating your nonexistant cake |
| 20:09.20 | Trixer-work | Haha |
| 20:09.26 | Trixer-work | Air cake is yummy |
| 20:09.45 | bnovc | sct already tells you when to use overpower....if thats what you're discussing |
| 20:09.53 | leethal | takes ages for changes to appear after cursforge is updated |
| 20:10.25 | leethal | bnovc: not talking 'bout sct, but the totally mega awesome http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/nao.aspx ! |
| 20:12.08 | |Jelly| | Shirik: Ping |
| 20:12.23 | malreth | bnovc actually brings up a good point |
| 20:12.36 | malreth | how important really is it that you *can't* use overpower anymore? |
| 20:12.52 | malreth | when all you really care about is when you need to use it |
| 20:13.10 | malreth | just display your "overpower naow!!" frame and fade it out over 5 seconds |
| 20:13.11 | leethal | it can be important rotation wise |
| 20:13.12 | malreth | if you haven |
| 20:13.26 | malreth | haven't used it by the, you probably weren't ever going to |
| 20:13.38 | alestane | There is an event that fires when Overpower becomes available...look in Blizzard_CombatText to track it down. |
| 20:13.39 | leethal | if you know how much time you got to use it, you can alter your rotations based on that |
| 20:13.44 | Cairenn | bleeter: forwarded |
| 20:14.02 | leethal | alestane: a special event? Or in COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED? |
| 20:14.14 | leethal | cause noticing when it's avairable aint that hard, really |
| 20:14.21 | leethal | available* |
| 20:14.49 | alestane | It's a COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE event or something of the sort. |
| 20:15.08 | malreth | well, even if you do use the IsActionUsable() to determine when it's not available, that's still not much help in planning rotations |
| 20:15.21 | malreth | since it only tells you if it's not available... not *when* it won't be available |
| 20:15.42 | malreth | granted, i don't play a warrior so i may be off-base here |
| 20:15.53 | Trixer-work | well you could repeatedly ask if its avablible |
| 20:15.56 | Trixer-work | and if it says no remove the frame |
| 20:16.05 | malreth | again, that's still not useful |
| 20:16.09 | leethal | the addon also displays a OmniCC-like cooldown on the icon |
| 20:16.17 | leethal | so how much time left is essensial |
| 20:16.30 | leethal | essential* |
| 20:17.08 | malreth | IsUsableAction() doesn't tell you how much time is left before Overpower isn't available anymore |
| 20:17.10 | malreth | ever |
| 20:17.22 | malreth | repeatedly polling for it still won't ever give you a timer |
| 20:17.23 | leethal | perhaps http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetActionCooldown works |
| 20:17.44 | leethal | but it's not a cooldown, really |
| 20:17.46 | Yssaril | leethal: does it work nicely if OmniCC is installed? or will we get 2 overlaying timers |
| 20:18.12 | leethal | Yssaril: it doesn't use OmniCC, and it only displays frames with textures, not buttons, so omni CC wont' affect it |
| 20:18.35 | Yssaril | leethal: ok sweet will definatly have to give this a try |
| 20:18.46 | leethal | =) |
| 20:19.06 | malreth | what would be useful is if the Overpower ability procced a buff on you (or optionally, a debuff on your target) whenever the target dodged |
| 20:19.14 | Trixer-work | So what addon do you guys use for changing armor sets? |
| 20:19.17 | leethal | if only one got a buff or something, like you do with the TBC you-get-a-proc-and-a-certain-time-to-use-the-proc abilities |
| 20:19.18 | malreth | then you can use the aura query functions to get a timer |
| 20:19.28 | leethal | hah, yeah =) |
| 20:19.32 | Yssaril | also somone look at http://ace.pastey.net/102774 and tell me how i can make it better |
| 20:19.36 | bnovc | Trixer-work: outfitter |
| 20:19.38 | bnovc | but i rarely use it |
| 20:19.39 | malreth | WE ARE 2 SMARTS PEOPLES, leethal |
| 20:19.48 | Trixer-work | well im making a druid todway when I get off of work |
| 20:19.50 | leethal | GREAT MINDS THINKZ ALIKEZ! |
| 20:20.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Trixer-work: outfitter, closetgnome, and itemrack are the three best mods. take your pick. |
| 20:20.29 | bnovc | Trixer-work: you won't need it for a long time then |
| 20:20.39 | bnovc | my main is a druid but i rarely switch |
| 20:20.48 | malreth | hmm... when did Google add the "Promote" and "Remove" buttons to their search results? |
| 20:21.01 | bnovc | i'm just using my resto gear for moonkin because it was substantially better than the crap i picked up for moonkin at 70 |
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| 20:21.21 | leethal | I wonder what the action bars are doing to track this. |
| 20:21.22 | Yssaril | malreth: couple weeks ago i think you can now "personalize" your search results |
| 20:21.33 | leethal | it can't call http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetActionCooldown for every slot on every OnUpdate, can it? |
| 20:21.41 | malreth | huh.... interesting |
| 20:22.01 | Trixer-work | can equipment be changed in combat lol? |
| 20:22.10 | leethal | hmm, perhaps it uses IsUsableAction, as it doesn't show anything cooldown related anywhere |
| 20:22.16 | leethal | guess I have to hardcode it then |
| 20:22.22 | Yssaril | Trixer-work: your weapon can thats about it |
| 20:22.38 | alestane | leethal, just on UPDATE_SPELL_COOLDOWN, I think. |
| 20:22.43 | Trixer-work | So my dreams of changing from healing gear to feral gear and back and forth in combat is not happening? |
| 20:22.50 | leethal | alestane: ah, right, that makes sense |
| 20:23.03 | alestane | Then the cooldown code takes over. |
| 20:23.20 | Yssaril | Trixer-work: not possible |
| 20:23.25 | Trixer-work | Ohh well...] |
| 20:23.27 | alestane | Also, it wouldn't call it for every slot, just every visible button. |
| 20:24.55 | leethal | slow wowhead.com is slow |
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| 20:26.54 | alestane | leethal: Look into the SPELL_ACTIVE event. |
| 20:27.36 | alestane | http://wowcompares.com/3039183/AddOns/Blizzard_CombatText/Blizzard_CombatText.lua |
| 20:29.08 | malreth | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/SPELL_UPDATE_USABLE |
| 20:29.36 | Thunder_Child | is it so hard to find a barcode scanner that actually finds the damn book? |
| 20:29.40 | malreth | i'd assume that event would fire when overpower becomes and ceases to be available |
| 20:30.10 | malreth | Thunder_Child: ??? |
| 20:30.42 | Thunder_Child | malreth, there a number of programs that can turn your webcam into a barcode scanner for archiving |
| 20:30.47 | Thunder_Child | even amazon has it |
| 20:30.52 | malreth | ah |
| 20:30.53 | Thunder_Child | none can find the damn books |
| 20:31.06 | Thunder_Child | they keep giving different books |
| 20:31.11 | Thunder_Child | ITS PISSING ME OFF |
| 20:31.22 | Shirik|Ecole | is it correctly reading the barcode? |
| 20:31.37 | malreth | sometimes i've head of cameras not having enough clarity to accurately read a UPC |
| 20:32.07 | malreth | s/cameras/web cams/ |
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| 20:32.23 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|Ecole, correct barcode, wrong ISBN |
| 20:32.33 | Shirik|Ecole | ha |
| 20:32.36 | malreth | then their software suxxazz |
| 20:32.46 | Thunder_Child | malreth, including amazon? |
| 20:33.00 | malreth | Amazon probably perpetuates it |
| 20:33.10 | malreth | since it increases the chance that you'll buy the wrong book |
| 20:33.11 | Thunder_Child | true, since they all get it from amazon |
| 20:33.48 | malreth | CONTROVERSIAL CONSPIRACY THEORY |
| 20:34.26 | Thunder_Child | i have ~400 books to catalogue and i didnt feel like typing in all the damn ISBN's |
| 20:36.06 | Lunessa | Returned, I has. |
| 20:36.12 | malreth | BROTHER! |
| 20:38.49 | Thunder_Child | oh FFS it reads EAN properly not UPC |
| 20:38.58 | Lunessa | malreth Woot! |
| 20:38.59 | Thunder_Child | universal my ass |
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| 20:39.51 | malreth | Lunessa: do you know what makes me happy? |
| 20:40.11 | Lunessa | Animae pr0n and ice cream treats? |
| 20:40.58 | malreth | well, there's that. there's just something so deeply satisfying about young japanese schoolgirls in outfits |
| 20:41.20 | malreth | BUT NO! i cannot say such things in public |
| 20:41.32 | malreth | what makes me happy is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qxWGr8VhzQ |
| 20:42.27 | Lunessa | mah-na-min-ah. |
| 20:42.40 | malreth | raaaay-deee-oooh |
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| 20:44.38 | Lunessa | awesome. |
| 20:44.43 | ScytheBlade1 | calculus + migraine = failure |
| 20:44.49 | malreth | Lunessa: 'tis |
| 20:44.49 | Trixer-work | defently |
| 20:44.53 | Lunessa | sbo - ugh. |
| 20:45.29 | ScytheBlade1 | The only upside to that is that the professor was nice enough to let me retake it later |
| 20:45.35 | ScytheBlade1 | New test, of course, but just the same |
| 20:45.45 | malreth | calculus and migraines are strongly correlated... but we cannot determine which causes which |
| 20:45.46 | Lunessa | That's a good thing. :) |
| 20:45.50 | ScytheBlade1 | heh @ malreth |
| 20:45.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I actually really enjoy it, but |
| 20:45.59 | kd3 | hmm |
| 20:46.33 | ScytheBlade1 | On the lightrail ride up here, one of the cars in the parking lot had a sign in the window, "Don't drive and talk on your cellphone at the same time" |
| 20:46.53 | Trixer-work | HAHA! |
| 20:46.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I initially read it as "don't drive your cellphone and talk" |
| 20:46.55 | Corr-work | what's a lightrail ride? |
| 20:47.00 | Corr-work | hahah |
| 20:47.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I spent a good five minutes trying to comprehend that |
| 20:47.15 | Trixer-work | I think lightrails are like those town rails that like the tracks are in the street? |
| 20:47.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Similar |
| 20:47.47 | ScytheBlade1 | These are electric and go from the south end of the valley for a good 60-70 miles north |
| 20:47.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I take them every day to and from campus |
| 20:48.08 | Trixer-work | ahh nice |
| 20:48.13 | Trixer-work | expensive? |
| 20:48.18 | malreth | ~wiki light rail |
| 20:48.24 | Lukian | a tram? |
| 20:48.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Absolutely free with tuition |
| 20:48.26 | ScytheBlade1 | http://ghostdepot.com/rg/images/utah/salt%20lake%20city%20UTA%20light%20rail%20tlh%20P1030048.jpg |
| 20:48.46 | ScytheBlade1 | More or less |
| 20:48.49 | ScytheBlade1 | All similar |
| 20:48.55 | Corr-work | i like how most of that was taken up with stuff that wasn't the definition of the term |
| 20:49.11 | Corr-work | all we got was "a forb of urban rail public transportation" :) |
| 20:49.14 | Trixer-work | yeah was thinking the same thing corr |
| 20:49.17 | Trixer-work | ~wiki IRC |
| 20:49.18 | ScytheBlade1 | That's pretty much it |
| 20:49.37 | Trixer-work | Wow.. thats pretty kewl! |
| 20:50.12 | Trixer-work | What I love about this IRC channel is for the most part its not filled with a billion people and every single person is idle |
| 20:50.35 | malreth | Trixer-work: HI! I'm Malreth! |
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| 20:51.04 | Dashkal | hrm, I wonder if they could manage to make a block->parry conversion for druids and DKs (and commesurately nerf those two to keep us in sync). |
| 20:51.29 | Trixer-work | explain? |
| 20:51.45 | Lunessa | malreth defines the very essence of idle. |
| 20:52.11 | malreth | i'm so idle that i'm often not even here |
| 20:52.28 | malreth | also, you can't spell 'idle' without L-I-E |
| 20:52.34 | Trixer-work | your so idle that your popping in for random bursts of ~wiki knowledge! |
| 20:53.01 | Lukian | Dashkal, druids parry now? |
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| 20:53.10 | Corr-work | druids parry with their faces |
| 20:53.13 | Dashkal | Lukian: no, I was just musing |
| 20:53.19 | Lukian | :( |
| 20:53.22 | Trixer-work | lmao |
| 20:53.25 | Dashkal | Last post here gave me the idea: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/26/12891372479-upcoming-hunter-changes-part-iii.html |
| 20:53.26 | Trixer-work | Im making a druid today |
| 20:53.30 | Trixer-work | hes going straight to 80 |
| 20:53.30 | malreth | i figured they'd parry with their huge paws |
| 20:53.34 | Trixer-work | for some hardcore pvp action! |
| 20:53.40 | Lukian | malikeye, same.. |
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| 20:57.48 | Lunessa | Nice of you to offer, but to mangle George Throughgood, I sleep alone. |
| 20:57.59 | malreth | speaking of, where's Lopepeppy? |
| 20:58.05 | Lukian | aww poor you! :( |
| 20:58.26 | Lunessa | Off having my alien love child? |
| 20:58.27 | Lukian | I can offer a comfy couch instead? XD |
| 20:59.48 | Lunessa | Sure. I hope it's a big couch, with lots of cushions. |
| 21:00.21 | Cairenn | lopeppeppy is home sick :( |
| 21:00.28 | alestane | Peppy wasn't feeling so well and went home early. |
| 21:00.46 | malreth | :( |
| 21:01.02 | alestane | Sick dino is sick. |
| 21:01.16 | malreth | i'd make her hot cocoa... but she hates me |
| 21:03.54 | Tekkub | not so peppy eh? |
| 21:04.03 | Cairenn | no :( |
| 21:04.06 | malreth | o_o |
| 21:04.27 | Cairenn | hey ReAn :) |
| 21:05.12 | malreth | http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-20-stupidest-gi-joe-vehicles-ever/ |
| 21:06.52 | malreth | i had to stop reading at #5 on the list... i'm gonna pass out from laughing |
| 21:08.18 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: i am amused |
| 21:10.33 | zenzelezz | anyone know if the instance bosses (5-man) on heroic can still drop normal mode loot? |
| 21:10.43 | alestane | "The helmet this guy is wearing is going to serve about the same purpose as aluminum foil on a baked potato." |
| 21:11.36 | Trixer-work | I hate people |
| 21:11.41 | Corr-work | CARRIES UP TO THREE FIGURES |
| 21:11.42 | Tekkub | zenzelezz, last I heard they made them completely different loot tables to avoid the confusion |
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| 21:12.17 | Trixer-work | I ran some network cable for a pharmasy and put in wall jacks and what not.. and they put like litterally a kiction sink infront of one of the wall jacks and then call me today and ask me where the walljack was |
| 21:12.21 | Trixer-work | and I told them and they called me a liar.. |
| 21:12.27 | Lunessa | "Oh for crying out loud. This is going to get someone killed." |
| 21:12.31 | Trixer-work | and I went into the building and theres a fucking sink infront of it! |
| 21:12.33 | zenzelezz | Tekkub: was afraid so :-/ Means I'll have to convince people to go normal HoL |
| 21:12.36 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: i've yet to see any heroic boss drop a normal-mode loot item |
| 21:12.43 | alestane | 'In the real world, the A-10 Warthog is one badass looking plane. Here Cobraâs attempted to make it better by adding what Iâm going to go ahead and describe as âa gay little turret.â ' |
| 21:12.58 | malreth | This makes me wonder if anyone at Hasbro understands any properties of rocket exhaust other than âorange.â |
| 21:13.03 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: yeah, frustratingly there's a nice healy trinket from normal strat |
| 21:13.15 | Corr-work | we routinely install sinks in front of our wall jacks |
| 21:13.21 | Lukian | cheers for that link malreth :D |
| 21:13.23 | Trixer-work | Mal: Seriously? |
| 21:13.27 | Corr-work | it keeps them from dehydrating, you see |
| 21:13.41 | Trixer-work | Ahh Corr |
| 21:13.43 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: clearly they do not |
| 21:13.49 | malreth | Trixer-work: quote from the link i posted earlier |
| 21:13.54 | Trixer-work | Ahh Mal ok |
| 21:14.23 | Trixer-work | So now they are like well you need to rerun them for free. (it ended up covering two) and basicly just told them for all I care they can put the computer in the sink I wasnt rerunning them for free... |
| 21:14.43 | Corr-work | awesome |
| 21:15.07 | malreth | YEAH! |
| 21:15.10 | Trixer-work | she told me she would get someone else to do it.. and I was like they arent going to do it for free either... |
| 21:15.22 | NightHawkTheSane | "Would that look like two planes humping? Would it be hot?" haha |
| 21:15.53 | malreth | aah... customers... the cause of and solution to all of our problems |
| 21:16.02 | alestane | Had tears running won my face, there. |
| 21:16.06 | alestane | down* |
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| 21:16.09 | malreth | oh... wait. they actually don't solve anything |
| 21:18.35 | Trixer-work | Ok I just got off the phone with them again, and they are like ok you can do it and we will pay you... but we wont ever reccomend you to anyone ever. |
| 21:18.38 | Trixer-work | I was like i can live with that. |
| 21:19.12 | malreth | that's fair. you won't recommend them to anyone else either |
| 21:19.51 | Trixer-work | Haha for real |
| 21:20.25 | Trixer-work | This one hits pretty much all the GI Joe vehicle high spots: Huge glass cockpits, a scarily exposed turret, and the ability to launch smaller, more comical vehicles. The only thing missing from this is about 12 dudes hanging off of it, but for all I know, they could be on the other side. |
| 21:20.27 | Trixer-work | I needed that |
| 21:20.38 | Corr-work | i am consistently amazed in my work how customers can do stupid things and then expect other people to fix them |
| 21:20.56 | Trixer-work | Corr: Me too |
| 21:21.07 | Trixer-work | Or how they argue with you about how your doing your job wrong... |
| 21:21.17 | Trixer-work | Then why the hell did you hire me if you know all about it? |
| 21:21.48 | Dashkal | malreth: that link is pure evil... I have to read it one or two at a time to avoid bursting out laughing and gettigg strange looks from the bosses. |
| 21:22.09 | Trixer-work | people are staring at me now... |
| 21:22.14 | Trixer-work | im giggling like a girl |
| 21:22.53 | malreth | are you a girl? |
| 21:23.01 | Trixer-work | no |
| 21:23.06 | Trixer-work | hense why im giggling "like" a girl :P |
| 21:23.17 | malreth | girls can't giggle like a girl? |
| 21:23.21 | Thunder_Child | uhh...girls can giggle like girls as well... |
| 21:23.28 | Corr-work | not if they're too masculine |
| 21:23.39 | Thunder_Child | lies |
| 21:23.41 | Trixer-work | Girls just giggle :P |
| 21:23.51 | malreth | what do they giggle like? |
| 21:23.51 | Trixer-work | a 10 foot long penis gun that spits fire. LMAO! |
| 21:23.54 | Corr-work | even though, by definition, the way girls giggle is "like a girl", i declare it to be so! |
| 21:24.15 | Lukian | like a school girl? :p |
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| 21:24.24 | malreth | i like a school girl |
| 21:24.28 | malreth | oh |
| 21:24.40 | Trixer-work | lmao |
| 21:24.42 | Corr-work | you look like a school girl |
| 21:24.52 | malreth | only between the hours of 2 and 4 am |
| 21:24.53 | Corr-work | a girl who is learning educations |
| 21:25.02 | Trixer-work | Oh for crying out loud. This is going to get someone killed. LMAO! |
| 21:25.10 | Thunder_Child | not really |
| 21:25.14 | Thunder_Child | it's happened |
| 21:25.16 | Thunder_Child | before |
| 21:25.27 | Trixer-work | has it |
| 21:25.29 | Trixer-work | happend |
| 21:25.30 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
| 21:25.30 | Trixer-work | before? |
| 21:25.37 | malreth | after |
| 21:26.20 | Trixer-work | during |
| 21:27.03 | malreth | during |
| 21:27.41 | Trixer-work | ok the GI joe thing was super funny |
| 21:28.41 | Trixer-work | anything else super funny that someone might be holding? |
| 21:29.41 | Corr-work | almost every other article at cracked.com |
| 21:29.46 | malreth | must... resist... |
| 21:29.57 | Corr-work | other than that, http://io9.com/5096763/twilight-makes-for-the-best-fanwank-ever |
| 21:30.31 | Thunder_Child | bad malreth, bad |
| 21:30.37 | Thunder_Child | ~bad malreth |
| 21:30.38 | purl | Bad malreth, bad! No cookie for you! |
| 21:33.51 | Trixer-work | http://www.cracked.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/motivational.jpg |
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| 21:40.28 | Lopeppeppy | Ow? |
| 21:41.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: have a cookie. |
| 21:41.18 | Lunessa | ... poor hippo. |
| 21:41.25 | Lopeppeppy | No is having cookies, Peppy is SICK. Gimme soup. |
| 21:41.36 | malreth | then runs away |
| 21:41.58 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. |
| 21:42.53 | Trixer-work | Remember that most problems like this can be solved by simply discussing your concerns calmly and openly, or by staging a shooting to look like it was done by a rival gang. |
| 21:43.16 | AbsoRayne | Hrm |
| 21:43.39 | Lopeppeppy | Hire a Peppy. I kill for chocolate. |
| 21:43.57 | Trixer-work | I got two boxes if you take out Mal! |
| 21:44.13 | malreth | see! i knew she hated me! |
| 21:44.29 | Lopeppeppy | I like malreth though. In spite of himself. |
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| 21:44.44 | AbsoRayne | Lopeppeppy: Thats a steep price, care to negotiate? |
| 21:44.49 | malreth | nuh-uh... in last week's episode, you said you'd kill me! |
| 21:45.09 | Trixer-work | Lmao |
| 21:45.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: just any chocolate? i assume it'd have to be some good stuff, at least |
| 21:45.33 | Lopeppeppy | I prefer Lindt truffles or some of the specialty Godiva they only sell in stores. |
| 21:45.49 | Trixer-work | lmao yeah ill give you 28 grams of powdered chocolate to ground NightHawk ;) |
| 21:45.55 | Corr-work | it is uncommon to buy things that aren't in stores |
| 21:46.17 | alestane | Lopeppeppy is good girl, not killing anyone today. |
| 21:46.24 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. |
| 21:46.26 | bleeter | Shirik|Ecole: ping |
| 21:46.27 | Lopeppeppy | Um. |
| 21:46.27 | Thunder_Child | lies |
| 21:46.30 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: that depends on how much choclate you give her |
| 21:46.41 | Lopeppeppy | alestane is correct, I swore off murder for today. Talk to me tomorrow. |
| 21:46.42 | ScytheBlade1 | *chocolate |
| 21:46.51 | malreth | well you'll get no quarter from me |
| 21:47.00 | AbsoRayne | Hrm |
| 21:47.07 | AbsoRayne | brb, time to use my new Power Strip! |
| 21:47.08 | malreth | strike while the iron is hot... and you are definitely hot today |
| 21:47.10 | bleeter | ~fail blizzard |
| 21:47.11 | purl | blizzard, you Fail! |
| 21:47.13 | malreth | ... |
| 21:47.20 | AbsoRayne | One that doesnt randomly fall out of the wall |
| 21:47.25 | bleeter | Cairenn|afk: that just angers me, actually |
| 21:47.29 | malreth | nevermind that! have at thee! |
| 21:47.36 | NightHawkTheSane | that reminds me. i've got two power squids i still need to do something with |
| 21:47.37 | Trixer-work | lmao |
| 21:47.44 | Trixer-work | !fail life |
| 21:47.54 | Trixer-work | ~fail life |
| 21:47.54 | purl | life: FAIL! |
| 21:47.57 | Trixer-work | woot! |
| 21:48.20 | malreth | ~boot Trixer-work |
| 21:48.21 | purl | ACTION inconspicously shuffles over to get a straight line across Trixer-work to the window above the dumpster, takes aim, and punts Trixer-work out to where he belongs! |
| 21:48.26 | Trixer-work | power squids.. throw them bitches away.. those things always screamed "House fire" to me... |
| 21:49.01 | Corr-work | the squids? :( why? |
| 21:49.46 | Trixer-work | am I correct in assuming that you are talking about an apparatus that plus into the walla nd has many female plugs coming off of it to give it a "squid" like apearance? |
| 21:50.06 | Corr-work | yeah. finally a thing designed specifically to get around the stupid, lazy AC adapter designs employed by 90% of the computer/electronics industries, and there's something wrong with it? |
| 21:50.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Corr-work: there's really nothing wrong with it.. |
| 21:50.39 | Corr-work | malreth: check with me later, i have an image you might like |
| 21:50.47 | Trixer-work | Lmao! |
| 21:50.53 | Trixer-work | I dont know they just make me nervious |
| 21:51.03 | Corr-work | ah, okay, good |
| 21:51.20 | malreth | you be glad that Corr-work is here to distract me... next time i will not be so forgiving |
| 21:51.26 | Trixer-work | haha |
| 21:51.31 | Trixer-work | http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-scouts-are-offering-a-merit-badge-in-boning/ |
| 21:52.25 | alestane | "...the Boy Scouts of America, an organization so conservative that I think theyâre now teaching that the Earth is only about 30 years old." |
| 21:53.49 | Trixer-work | How to tell people youre in the Scouts without getting beaten up. < lmao |
| 21:53.50 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you, malreth. My cold thanks you. |
| 21:54.12 | Corr-work | if you want super conservative, it'd be 55 years old, and early 50's America would be the Eden |
| 21:54.24 | malreth | but only america |
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| 21:54.29 | Corr-work | YES |
| 21:54.34 | Trixer-work | How to know when a girl is lying about her age. <-=-- ahmen to that! |
| 21:54.41 | Corr-work | Trixer-work: always |
| 21:54.50 | Corr-work | The More You Know (tm) |
| 21:55.06 | Trixer-work | The Better It Is (tm)? |
| 21:55.36 | Corr-work | i really don't know how that phrase was supposed to end |
| 21:56.03 | malreth | i've always found that The More I Drink, The Better I Perform |
| 21:56.12 | malreth | to a point |
| 21:56.18 | Lunessa | How to avoid being tried in adult court. |
| 21:56.34 | malreth | that's what mathematicians call a 'limit' |
| 21:56.36 | NightHawkTheSane | i've always found the more i drink, the more i tolerate other people |
| 21:56.57 | Lunessa | Hey, and malreth can make a pretty mean martini too. |
| 21:57.05 | malreth | thanks to you brother! |
| 21:57.26 | malreth | speaking of, i need to learn a new drink |
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| 21:57.41 | Trixer-work | http://www.cracked.com/article_16811_5-ways-get-rich-without-single-discernible-skill.html |
| 21:57.48 | Trixer-work | flaming dr peppers mal learn those |
| 21:58.04 | Lunessa | Next time I'm in Austin, I'll bring my books and we'll make more drinks. |
| 21:58.21 | malreth | oh... Long Island Ice Tea |
| 21:58.28 | Lunessa | And I promise not to hit on the Mistress. |
| 21:58.55 | Trixer-work | lol |
| 21:59.00 | malreth | well the mistress has been butting heads with one of my other friends |
| 21:59.08 | malreth | it's hard to have them around together |
| 21:59.29 | malreth | i hate having to pick and choose friends... |
| 22:00.01 | Lopeppeppy | malreth, have you talked to them, tried to work out the personality conflict? Why are they at war? |
| 22:00.04 | malreth | especially when one is the oldest friend I have in this city... and the other is the longest childhood friend of my wife |
| 22:00.25 | malreth | because they're women.... |
| 22:00.25 | Lunessa | malreth: I could see that being problematic. |
| 22:00.30 | Corr-work | ah yes |
| 22:00.33 | bleeter | ~lart blizz |
| 22:00.33 | purl | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to blizz, and goes postal |
| 22:00.36 | malreth | SEXIST REMARK |
| 22:00.40 | bleeter | ohhh |
| 22:00.43 | Corr-work | REMARK APPROVED |
| 22:00.46 | bleeter | ~botsnack |
| 22:00.46 | purl | bleeter: aw, gee |
| 22:01.14 | Lopeppeppy | No. malreth, why are they at war? What does one think that the other is going to cause her to not have, somehow? |
| 22:01.16 | malreth | actually, seriously, it's because the friend "really really irritates" the mistress |
| 22:01.27 | malreth | and that's about it |
| 22:01.37 | Lopeppeppy | Ah ha. Any specific topic of irritation, or ? |
| 22:01.48 | malreth | no... she just irritates her |
| 22:01.54 | malreth | the way she talks, the things she says |
| 22:01.55 | Corr-work | i don't suppose she's open to the idea of Growing Up and Putting Up With It? |
| 22:02.09 | malreth | it's totally petty, IMHO |
| 22:02.10 | Lunessa | Peppy - Having met both women, I can see it being a personality thing of epicness. |
| 22:02.12 | Thunder_Child | there is a jealous won cough? |
| 22:02.14 | Thunder_Child | woman* |
| 22:02.15 | Trixer-work | Or maybe you could convence them to put all their problems aside and have a threesome? |
| 22:02.24 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa -- two alpha females? |
| 22:02.30 | Lunessa | Pretty much. |
| 22:02.34 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:02.34 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: yes... very much |
| 22:02.34 | alestane | "*here Iâm using âallâ in the metric sense, which comes out to about 48%." |
| 22:02.37 | Corr-work | they're probably not attractive if the petty argument is of this nature |
| 22:02.50 | malreth | Corr-work: you're wrong... Lunessa will agree |
| 22:03.05 | Corr-work | well, i don't know everything. just nearly. |
| 22:03.06 | malreth | dead wrong |
| 22:03.11 | Trixer-work | Most "Alpha women" are really attractive or super big.... |
| 22:03.20 | Lopeppeppy | malreth. Here's the deal. You can only solve this by being more alpha than they are. Asking them, and getting them both to agree, to stop baiting one another. |
| 22:03.22 | Trixer-work | and depending on the type of man you are.. could mean that you win either way. |
| 22:03.27 | Lunessa | Corr-work: Let's just say I'm picky, and well, both of these women peg the "do-o-meter." |
| 22:03.35 | NightHawkTheSane | when women are involved, men never win. |
| 22:03.46 | Trixer-work | I hate to say this NightHAwk but agreed |
| 22:03.48 | malreth | mistress: http://flickr.com/photos/fizzboy/479136527/ |
| 22:04.03 | Lopeppeppy | I can be extremely alpha, but if someone I really care about asks me to tone down to make his life easier, I usually do. |
| 22:04.05 | malreth | i... don't have a pic of the friend |
| 22:04.11 | Trixer-work | wait |
| 22:04.18 | Trixer-work | all you had to do was say she was a redhead |
| 22:04.29 | malreth | she's blonde |
| 22:04.41 | Trixer-work | ohh it looked redish to me |
| 22:04.42 | malreth | the other is kinda... auburn, i think is the term |
| 22:04.48 | malreth | ~dict auburn |
| 22:04.55 | Corr-work | that is reasonable |
| 22:05.02 | malreth | purl, no |
| 22:05.03 | purl | YES |
| 22:05.03 | Lopeppeppy | Auburn, reddish brown. |
| 22:05.06 | ReAn | anyone have a list of all the localization codes for wow? |
| 22:05.13 | malreth | Lopeppeppy has it... yes |
| 22:05.36 | malreth | she's Irish, Catholic (very), head strong |
| 22:05.49 | Lopeppeppy | Give them a reason to try getting along, malreth. |
| 22:06.06 | ScytheBlade1 | ReAn: like enUS/esMX? |
| 22:06.11 | Corr-work | penis |
| 22:06.18 | malreth | the friend is very willing to get along... mistress less so |
| 22:06.33 | ReAn | yea |
| 22:06.36 | Corr-work | that's what Trixer recommended, anyway |
| 22:06.46 | Lopeppeppy | Be careful... willing does not translate into practice. Is she changing her behavior, the willing one? |
| 22:06.49 | ReAn | i need all the localizations for french / german / russian / etc... |
| 22:06.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ReAn: enUS, esMX, enGB, deDE, ruRU |
| 22:06.55 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc |
| 22:07.03 | Trixer-work | Im telling you |
| 22:07.07 | ReAn | esMX is which? |
| 22:07.09 | Trixer-work | Just convence them to have a threesome |
| 22:07.12 | ScytheBlade1 | spanish |
| 22:07.16 | Trixer-work | then the worst that could happen is her leaving you for the other female |
| 22:07.26 | Trixer-work | but at least they wont be fighting... |
| 22:07.34 | malreth | Trixer-work: you are indeed wise |
| 22:08.02 | ReAn | which is french? |
| 22:08.04 | ReAn | frFR? |
| 22:08.09 | ScytheBlade1 | probably |
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| 22:11.45 | malreth | i have pics that i took of the friend from her birthday party last week... she's been putting the thumbscrews to me to get them uploaded... |
| 22:11.55 | malreth | she's right... i am a lazy slob. *sob* |
| 22:12.26 | malreth | i should also quit putting my digits into thumbscrew devices |
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| 22:13.33 | Cralor` | why might this be happening? ( http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee184/velenran/Capture-3.jpg ) (no, i did not create the same category over and over :P ) |
| 22:13.37 | Lopeppeppy | Very true, malreth |
| 22:14.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Cralor`: you called the "insert" function over and over |
| 22:14.24 | Trixer-work | Mal: I know, its a gift that has been honed through many years of practise... |
| 22:14.27 | alestane | Cralor`: I'd guess that your panel installation code isn't working the way you think it is. |
| 22:14.28 | Cralor` | insert? |
| 22:14.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Whatever the function is named, I can't remember it |
| 22:14.46 | Trixer-work | http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-8-crappiest-jobs-of-all-time-literally/ |
| 22:14.48 | ScytheBlade1 | The UI provided function which takes your frame as an arg |
| 22:14.49 | Trixer-work | I love this website! |
| 22:15.41 | Cralor` | sb1: what would be an example? |
| 22:15.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Cralor`: well you're already calling it, so you have it somewhere |
| 22:16.05 | Cralor` | InterfaceOptions_AddCategory(rmframe); |
| 22:16.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup, that's the one |
| 22:16.26 | ScytheBlade1 | You're calling that multiple times |
| 22:16.59 | Cralor` | the only time i call it is during my OnEvent with the event of ADDON_LOADED |
| 22:17.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Guess |
| 22:17.13 | malreth | how many times does that event fire? |
| 22:17.14 | ScytheBlade1 | You're not checking arg1 on ADDON_LOADED |
| 22:17.20 | Cralor` | yes i am |
| 22:17.23 | Cralor` | arg1 == RuneMover |
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| 22:17.32 | Cralor` | if (event == "ADDON_LOADED" and arg1 == "RuneMover") then |
| 22:17.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't call it OnEvent |
| 22:17.39 | Trixer-work | ohh and for a moment of creepy |
| 22:17.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Just call it at the end of your lua file |
| 22:17.51 | Trixer-work | http://flickr.com/photos/fizzboy/477587962/ Dude.. defently go with the threesome idea! |
| 22:17.59 | Kraps | i'm guessing rep rewards are usually better than quest rewards? |
| 22:18.18 | Kraps | at similar levels |
| 22:18.21 | malreth | Trixer-work: she's already my *mistress*... I do have a *wife* as well... |
| 22:18.46 | Cralor` | sb1: why is my way not right? |
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| 22:19.19 | ScytheBlade1 | You can do it a thousand different ways that are "right" |
| 22:19.32 | ScytheBlade1 | But it's the varying degrees of "right" which makes other ways "better" |
| 22:19.45 | ScytheBlade1 | You don't need to check for ADDON_LOADED when your lua runs, because your lua runs when it is loaded |
| 22:19.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Your event check/OnU |
| 22:20.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Your event check/OnUpdate is wasted effort that likely has a bug somewhere |
| 22:20.38 | ScytheBlade1 | By removing that and just adding it to your code once the frame has been created, you remove a lot of unneeded logic and likely fix your bug |
| 22:20.52 | ScytheBlade1 | In any case, afk for a good hour or two |
| 22:23.01 | malreth | logically, if that's the only place in your entire addon that you call that add category function, then it stands to reason that OnEvent must be called multiple times with "RuneMover" as arg1 |
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| 22:26.17 | alestane | You can also debug it by adding a line like print(event, arg1) to the OnEventFunction. |
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| 22:26.35 | Trixer-work | Mal: You have a potential foursome on your hands why the fuck are you on IRC! |
| 22:26.51 | malreth | the same reason you are |
| 22:27.15 | malreth | because the actual real life likelihood of that happening is zero |
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| 22:27.23 | Trixer-work | lmao |
| 22:27.33 | Cralor` | i commented out the OnEvent for now and did what sb1 said and put the function at the end of my lua file. i still recieve the same problem. |
| 22:27.34 | Trixer-work | Dude with enough roses and candy anything is possible! |
| 22:27.51 | Corr-work | chocolate is a kind of drug for women |
| 22:28.08 | Trixer-work | Yeah... |
| 22:28.09 | Lopeppeppy | Wow...ya'll sure do know how to impress a woman, why are you wasting your time here? |
| 22:28.18 | malreth | :) |
| 22:28.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: i have an idea.. ;) |
| 22:28.22 | Trixer-work | Its not fair all my drugs I have to buy from shadey dudes with crazy names... that start with lil or big |
| 22:28.23 | Corr-work | i am the master of impressing attractive women |
| 22:28.43 | Cidan | Unlikely. |
| 22:28.59 | Corr-work | a total lie, really. or rather, i've never tried nor cared. |
| 22:29.06 | Trixer-work | .... |
| 22:29.10 | Lopeppeppy | It shows. |
| 22:29.15 | Trixer-work | A bit yeah |
| 22:29.18 | Lunessa | ~ IRC |
| 22:29.19 | purl | "Welcome to IRC: where the men are boys, the women are boys, and 14-year-old girls are FBI agents." |
| 22:29.28 | Trixer-work | haha! |
| 22:29.42 | Lopeppeppy | I concur, Lunessa. Boys. The exceptions already know who they are. |
| 22:29.45 | Corr-work | eh? i assumed we were just being silly here, because of all the SEXIST COMMENT stuff |
| 22:29.49 | Trixer-work | and the FBI agents are 14 year old girls |
| 22:30.14 | Corr-work | if you're going to take it seriously, you might want to reconsider |
| 22:30.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: meh, there are no exceptions. :P |
| 22:30.56 | Lopeppeppy | You may be right, NightHawkTheSane, but I do adore a few of the male creatures. |
| 22:31.11 | Cidan | Psh |
| 22:31.14 | Cidan | I don't know how you do |
| 22:31.18 | Cidan | I can hardly stand other men |
| 22:31.26 | Cidan | I have no guy friends. |
| 22:31.35 | Corr-work | i even think my male friends are assholes |
| 22:31.36 | malreth | homophoe |
| 22:31.41 | Lunessa | Also, this http://xkcd.com/322/ |
| 22:31.43 | malreth | s/homophobe/ |
| 22:31.55 | Cidan | Nope, I'm not that shallow malreth |
| 22:32.00 | Cidan | I just, don't like men |
| 22:32.07 | malreth | sexist |
| 22:32.23 | Corr-work | interesting point |
| 22:32.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Cidan: it's okay, i understand. i don't like people. |
| 22:32.37 | Cidan | I love people |
| 22:32.55 | Lunessa | I'm totally shallow. I admit it. I love the girls and the money and the shame of life. |
| 22:33.34 | Lopeppeppy | And you don't lie about important things. |
| 22:34.24 | malreth | i lie all the time |
| 22:34.31 | Trixer-work | lols |
| 22:34.31 | NightHawkTheSane | feh, i'm lying right now. |
| 22:34.34 | Trixer-work | Im an acholic |
| 22:34.36 | malreth | like about how "this has never happened before" |
| 22:34.50 | Lunessa | malreth: The one I tell most often is "I can't help you." |
| 22:34.51 | malreth | or "it'll only take a minute and i'll be ready again" |
| 22:35.01 | Trixer-work | lmao |
| 22:35.14 | Trixer-work | Lunessa: I tell that one all the time its ok.. you dont go to hell for htat lie god totally understands |
| 22:35.37 | NightHawkTheSane | god is dead |
| 22:35.47 | Lopeppeppy | malreth, I'd rather hear, "I put new batteries in your toy, get it out and see!" |
| 22:35.47 | malreth | what you call "premature" I prefer to call "efficient" |
| 22:35.49 | Lunessa | Trixer-work: When I left the seminary, god and I made a deal - I wouldn't judge him, he doesn't judge me. :P |
| 22:35.50 | Trixer-work | yeah duh |
| 22:36.03 | Trixer-work | Lmao Lunessa |
| 22:36.10 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: But you mean your wireless mouse. |
| 22:36.28 | malreth | must... resist... |
| 22:36.29 | alestane | NightHawkTheSane: But do you love gatherings? |
| 22:36.31 | Trixer-work | dude I had awireless mouse once that ate so many batterys.. |
| 22:36.45 | Lunessa | alestane: Ironic, I know. |
| 22:36.46 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: .. of people? no. |
| 22:36.54 | Corr-work | force feedback mouse? |
| 22:37.00 | Trixer-work | suprisingly no |
| 22:37.10 | Corr-work | wink wink nudge nudge |
| 22:37.11 | Trixer-work | It would go through about two double As every 3-5 days |
| 22:37.18 | Lunessa | alestane: I'm not even supposed to be here! |
| 22:37.30 | Trixer-work | Where are you suppose to be? |
| 22:37.42 | NightHawkTheSane | well, gatherings of people are okay, if they're safely away from me |
| 22:38.04 | Trixer-work | Haha, yeah we would hate for NightHawk to get camped by people :P |
| 22:38.06 | alestane | Dear Lunessa is trying to springboard off of my Clerks reference, but sadly my memory of teh movie is badly decayed. |
| 22:38.22 | Trixer-work | 27!!! |
| 22:38.23 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, I most assuredly do not mean a wireless mouse. |
| 22:38.41 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: How YOU doin'? |
| 22:38.47 | malreth | THIRTY seven |
| 22:38.48 | Trixer-work | Friends |
| 22:38.53 | Trixer-work | is it Thirty seven? |
| 22:38.57 | malreth | In a row? |
| 22:39.03 | Trixer-work | lmao |
| 22:39.12 | Trixer-work | at least your not number 36 |
| 22:39.14 | Lopeppeppy | 21 pieces of flair. If that's all you want. |
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| 22:39.19 | Lunessa | Do you have any reading material? |
| 22:39.32 | malreth | and for the record... i did catch the reference but felt it was too forced |
| 22:39.46 | malreth | "they got bigger titties in that one!" |
| 22:39.52 | Trixer-work | Do you think pro sperm doners get the girls? |
| 22:40.18 | malreth | i'm pretty sure you don't get to keep the babies, Trixer-work |
| 22:40.35 | Trixer-work | lmao Mal that depends... |
| 22:40.45 | Corr-work | well, you apparently can sign up on file such that the child can find out who you are |
| 22:40.50 | Corr-work | you get paid more for that version |
| 22:40.59 | Trixer-work | One of the links I posted upwards somewhere mentioned that there is a type of sperm donating wher ethe kids can come knocking on yoru door and be like take care of me |
| 22:41.07 | Corr-work | Trixer-work read the same article |
| 22:41.11 | Lunessa | Depends on the agency at which you donate. /me was a starving student once. |
| 22:41.12 | Trixer-work | Yep what Corr said |
| 22:41.15 | Corr-work | damn you and your similar reading abilities |
| 22:41.26 | Trixer-work | haha |
| 22:41.49 | Trixer-work | See now if crackheads would just start donating sperm |
| 22:41.56 | Trixer-work | instead of stealing my tv! |
| 22:42.01 | Corr-work | wut |
| 22:42.34 | Trixer-work | Granted im not sure if I want the worlds sperm stocks to be stockpiled by crackheads |
| 22:42.41 | Trixer-work | but hey... at least I would still have my TV! |
| 22:43.11 | malreth | i think women would prefer crackhead sperm... they'd probably get pregnant faster |
| 22:43.22 | Lopeppeppy | Damaged DNA. |
| 22:43.22 | Trixer-work | lmao |
| 22:43.31 | Trixer-work | and the baby would do anything for a 20 dollar bill! |
| 22:43.42 | Trixer-work | I wonder if my DNA is damaged |
| 22:43.59 | foxlit | What do you think D in DNA stands for? :) |
| 22:44.19 | Trixer-work | Not for kittys? |
| 22:44.23 | alestane | "Do Not Attempt"? |
| 22:44.43 | Trixer-work | lol |
| 22:44.58 | Trixer-work | I love how he only asked for the D and we gave him all of it! |
| 22:45.08 | Trixer-work | like Micheal Jordan and Scotty Pippen! |
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| 22:45.58 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: Douglas |
| 22:46.25 | Corr-work | deoxyrybo |
| 22:46.27 | Corr-work | if i'm not mistaken |
| 22:46.50 | NightHawkTheSane | no, it's douglas. Douglas Noel Adams, i believe |
| 22:46.53 | Corr-work | ribo, maybe |
| 22:46.54 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 22:47.56 | malreth | ~dnatest Trixer-work |
| 22:47.57 | purl | Trixer-work's DNA is damaged. |
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| 22:48.04 | malreth | ah.. that's what i thought |
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| 22:50.32 | NightHawkTheSane | woo "A judge on Tuesday overturned a strict Florida law that blocks gay people from adopting children, declaring there was no legal or scientific reason for sexual orientation alone to prohibit anyone from adopting." |
| 22:50.34 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hQRfCnouwd0svwGKji_x-OBMC6iAD94M4LG80 |
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| 22:51.29 | Corr-work | congrats! |
| 22:51.52 | Corr-work | to everyone who cares, not just you specifically |
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| 22:53.36 | sylvanaar | anyone non enUS that can try "/script print(GetLocale()) print(TRADE)" |
| 22:54.00 | Thrae | Cairenn|afk: Help I broken it |
| 22:54.37 | malreth | ~halp Thrae |
| 22:54.38 | purl | ACTION gives Thrae a hand. |
| 22:55.49 | Legorol|alt | sylvanaar: I'm on enGB and I get "enUS" and "Trade" as responses. |
| 22:55.57 | sylvanaar | ok |
| 22:56.08 | Corr-work | that's, what. |
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| 23:03.40 | sylvanaar | Legorol can you try these also, tho i think they should be the same |
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| 23:03.58 | *** part/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@cpe-67-246-45-198.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 23:04.00 | *** join/#wowuidev Tuller (n=muffins@c-76-27-160-125.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 23:04.02 | sylvanaar | try /script print(GetLocale(), TRADE, GetChannelName(1)) |
| 23:04.13 | sylvanaar | and /script print(EnumerateServerChannels()) |
| 23:04.17 | sylvanaar | now i need a chinese |
| 23:04.28 | Shirik|Ecole | a chinese? |
| 23:04.31 | sylvanaar | person |
| 23:04.47 | sylvanaar | who plays in a chinese locale |
| 23:06.30 | *** join/#wowuidev Nihlo (n=chatzill@p57AFA187.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:06.49 | Corr-work | such people do not exist |
| 23:06.52 | Thunder_Child | sylvanaar to chinese person "test my addon please.....and while your at it get me some gold" |
| 23:07.35 | Lunessa | Says Simple Simon to the pie-man, let me try your warez. |
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| 23:09.44 | sylvanaar | Thunder_Child |
| 23:09.51 | Thunder_Child | sylvanaar |
| 23:09.55 | sylvanaar | ~ en zh and level my character |
| 23:09.56 | Shirik|Ecole | Shirik |
| 23:10.04 | sylvanaar | ~x en zh and level my character |
| 23:10.11 | sylvanaar | it was going to be funny too |
| 23:10.26 | Thunder_Child | feeling left out Shirik|Ecole? :( |
| 23:10.38 | Shirik|Ecole | no, |Jelly| is here |
| 23:11.19 | bleeter | guys, fair warning to you all.. if you're not subscribe to Bugtraq, I suggest you do so in the next 5-10 mins |
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| 23:13.37 | bleeter | though of course you'll be able to see it after I post, I suspect some of you will want it as it 'rolls off the press' |
| 23:14.19 | Thunder_Child | it had better be as good as you make it sound bleeter |
| 23:14.25 | Thunder_Child | or else i am suing you |
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| 23:15.21 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: I guarantee at least a minor chuckle at one line ;) |
| 23:15.54 | bleeter | yup, finished off authoring the intent to disclose post.. time for that cuppa and a cigge, then back for one final read before posting it off |
| 23:21.25 | sylvanaar | i need to figure out how to strip a letter of its diacritics |
| 23:21.37 | sylvanaar | i guess a table |
| 23:21.41 | sylvanaar | which is lame |
| 23:23.25 | Shirik|Ecole | there's a way to do it |
| 23:23.28 | Shirik|Ecole | I remember someone asking this before |
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| 23:24.40 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o cladhaire] by ChanServ |
| 23:24.43 | sylvanaar | normilization forms in unicode |
| 23:24.53 | sylvanaar | normalization even |
| 23:26.25 | Shirik|Ecole | I need food |
| 23:26.38 | Shirik|Ecole | Panera, Wendy's, McDonald's, ChickFilA, or Subway? |
| 23:27.17 | pompy | subway |
| 23:27.17 | Cralor` | Panera if you do not care about the money :D |
| 23:27.34 | pompy | never even heard of panera |
| 23:27.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik|Ecole: panera or chick-fil-a |
| 23:27.56 | Shirik|Ecole | oh shit, money |
| 23:28.01 | Shirik|Ecole | I was supposed to go to the bank today |
| 23:28.09 | Shirik|Ecole | oh well |
| 23:28.23 | NightHawkTheSane | in that case, wendys :p |
| 23:28.24 | Cralor` | :P |
| 23:28.31 | Shirik|Ecole | no |
| 23:28.37 | Shirik|Ecole | that's not the problem |
| 23:28.42 | Shirik|Ecole | problem is I wanted cash for tomorrow |
| 23:28.43 | Cralor` | Panera is like a sandwich / bakery |
| 23:28.59 | Cralor` | it is a "business"-like place with wi-fi :P |
| 23:32.43 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm thinking about Panera, but they usually start to run out of stuff at this time |
| 23:32.52 | Shirik|Ecole | so |
| 23:33.44 | Cralor` | well it really depends on what you feel like :P |
| 23:34.06 | Cralor` | i just ate so it is hard for me to pick a good decision :D |
| 23:34.11 | Wobin | argh, why didn't someone tell me you couldn't bind against a public variable =( |
| 23:34.53 | Cralor` | Hey Wobin, are you going to work on Xparky again? |
| 23:35.17 | Wobin | possibly |
| 23:35.22 | Wobin | once work calms down a bit |
| 23:35.34 | Cralor` | i see |
| 23:36.55 | Olison | Ahhh, my mind is failing me, what was that name of the leveling guide mod, with TomTom and Mapster integration? |
| 23:37.09 | aesir | LightHeaded? |
| 23:37.23 | Olison | No, not that one |
| 23:37.29 | Lunessa | grrr... forums acting twitchy and my vista box just BSOD'ed. |
| 23:37.29 | Shirik|Ecole | probably Carbonite |
| 23:37.33 | Wobin | tourguide |
| 23:37.35 | Olison | Yes! |
| 23:37.41 | Shirik|Ecole | who wins? |
| 23:37.43 | Olison | Thanks :) |
| 23:37.44 | Wobin | I do |
| 23:37.48 | Shirik|Ecole | proof |
| 23:38.05 | Wobin | Cause carbonite sucks =) |
| 23:38.15 | Shirik|Ecole | never tried it |
| 23:38.29 | Wobin | The fact that they obfuscate the code is enough reason |
| 23:38.33 | bleeter | it's got some crazy ass bugs |
| 23:38.35 | Wobin | (also the fact that they have a paying version) |
| 23:38.46 | Wobin | and the fact that it seems to screw up every -other- addon around |
| 23:39.11 | Corr-work | i doubt i'd use an addon i couldn't tinker with |
| 23:39.19 | Wobin | I've seen complaints of "And my checkboxes in Addon X suddenly started working when I disabled Carbonite!" |
| 23:39.22 | Shirik|Ecole | I would like to deobfuscate that code to see if it tries to do that |
| 23:39.47 | Wobin | Shirik|Ecole: go for it |
| 23:39.55 | Shirik|Ecole | I don't have the code, nor do I have a legal means to get it |
| 23:40.43 | Cralor` | Lunessa: Sorry =/ |
| 23:40.59 | Lunessa | thanks. |
| 23:41.14 | Wobin | Shirik|Ecole: there's a free version |
| 23:41.17 | Wobin | and a paying version |
| 23:41.23 | Shirik|Ecole | the free version has the same problems? |
| 23:41.25 | bleeter | what's the point of a levelling addon that optimises your levelling based upon flight points that you haven't discovered yet??? /shrug |
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| 23:42.49 | bleeter | also, I saw it yesterday telling me to go into grizzly hills from dragonblight so I could walk ~200 yards south to re-enter dragonblight |
| 23:42.57 | bleeter | i was 'huh??' |
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| 23:43.22 | Cairenn | http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/fernandez4952/1212585307441.jpg |
| 23:43.28 | abyx | is it possible to send an item link with SendAddonMessage()? |
| 23:43.43 | Cralor` | >_< |
| 23:43.56 | Cralor` | Law and Order |
| 23:44.01 | Shirik|Ecole | abyx: You can send whatever the hell you want |
| 23:44.06 | Shirik|Ecole | except a tab in the "type" field |
| 23:44.31 | Cidan | Cairenn: Oh |
| 23:44.34 | Cidan | Cairenn: My |
| 23:44.36 | Cidan | Cairenn: God |
| 23:44.39 | Cidan | Can't |
| 23:44.40 | Cidan | stop |
| 23:44.40 | Cairenn | it's funny! |
| 23:44.41 | Cidan | laughing |
| 23:44.44 | Cairenn | sheesh |
| 23:44.58 | Cairenn | and the goddamn batman! |
| 23:46.03 | abyx | Shirik|Ecole: i have a simple addon made that lets me send item links through SendAddonMessage and another addon that outputs received addon messages and prints them to default_chat_frame but item links don't work =( |
| 23:46.18 | Shirik|Ecole | ~doesntwork |
| 23:46.19 | purl | Look buddy, doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Be specific! Examples of what doesn't work (or the URL) tend to help too, or pastebin the config if that's the problem |
| 23:47.58 | abyx | ah well, it prints nothing more than |Hitem when i print the recieved addon message that has an item link in it |
| 23:48.12 | Cidan | well |
| 23:48.25 | Cidan | what I would do is |
| 23:48.28 | Shirik|Ecole | I promise you can send item links, as I have an addon that does it already |
| 23:48.46 | Cralor` | I have a problem myself. My Blizzard Options are creating like 5 of the same category. I know it has something to do with InterfaceOptions_AddCategory(rmframe); - but that is only called once. What's the deal? |
| 23:48.48 | Cidan | local _, string = GetItemIndo(itemLink); |
| 23:48.53 | Cidan | then send string |
| 23:49.03 | Cidan | then on the other end |
| 23:49.15 | Cidan | local _,_,_,itemLink = GetItemInfo(string); |
| 23:49.18 | Cidan | That's one way |
| 23:49.19 | abyx | then arg1 of CHAT_MSG_WHISPER_INFORM provides the link wrong somehow |
| 23:49.29 | Shirik|Ecole | uh |
| 23:49.35 | Shirik|Ecole | abyx |
| 23:49.46 | Shirik|Ecole | I would prefer you stop assuming everything else is wrong and you start assuming that your code is wrong |
| 23:49.53 | Shirik|Ecole | Because I'm fairly certain it is |
| 23:49.58 | Cidan | easy Shirik, =D |
| 23:50.11 | Cidan | You're starting to sound like clad, :P |
| 23:50.14 | Shirik|Ecole | Paste your code so we can take a look at it |
| 23:50.22 | abyx | Shirik: you saying that = me solving the problem! |
| 23:50.42 | abyx | item links have lots of ":" in them and i'm strsplitting with ":" as the separator |
| 23:50.49 | abyx | not a good idea |
| 23:50.58 | Cidan | lol |
| 23:51.30 | Shirik|Ecole | why would you strsplit them at all if you want to send it on one side and output them on the other |
| 23:51.32 | abyx | is there an invisible character or anything like that that i can reliable strsplit by? like alt-255 or something like that |
| 23:51.54 | Shirik|Ecole | just use \0 if you want to |
| 23:53.22 | Shirik|Ecole | using high code characters is a bad idea if you want your addon to work with other locales |
| 23:53.23 | foxlit | \t is also rare |
| 23:53.29 | Shirik|Ecole | the null character is generally acceptable |
| 23:53.39 | Cralor` | why is this creating 5 addon categories? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/102793/33:98:190:287 |
| 23:54.07 | bleeter | noise |
| 23:54.09 | bleeter | lol nose |
| 23:54.30 | bleeter | http://bleeter.livejournal.com/16680.html |
| 23:54.48 | Shirik|Ecole | Is Thunderbird actually good? |
| 23:54.51 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm thinking about using it |
| 23:56.08 | Gnarfoz | depends on what kind of mail user you are ^^ |
| 23:57.40 | NeoTron | it's somewhere between good and bad |
| 23:57.41 | NeoTron | average |
| 23:57.53 | Tekkub | Thunderbird's still the same old email client it's always been since the netscape days |
| 23:58.00 | NeoTron | but then again I'm used to emacs+gnus type mail interface and nothing really gets close to that |
| 23:58.41 | Gnarfoz | < TheBat! :> |
