| 00:00.55 | morkii | what do you figure would be more in demand come 80 a restor druid or a restor shaman, I figure shaman because there will be lots of people working on druid? |
| 00:01.31 | Corrodias | well... both |
| 00:05.55 | Godzmack_ | im sure alot of those working on druids have rerolled after the recent druid nerfs |
| 00:07.15 | morkii | mm they nerfed us? |
| 00:07.17 | AnduinLothar | restro druids still heal better than pallies atm |
| 00:07.46 | Osagasu | Sorry, but I feel the neex to interject here... "im sure alot of those working on </roll 1-10... class> have rerolled after the recent <class> nerfs. |
| 00:07.49 | Osagasu | **need |
| 00:08.00 | Osagasu | All classes got nerfed in some way or another |
| 00:08.32 | morkii | yea thats true |
| 00:08.46 | Osagasu | Druids got a lot of cool ned tools to go with their nerfs. |
| 00:08.49 | Osagasu | *new |
| 00:14.32 | morkii | yea they're still getting awesome changes |
| 00:15.04 | Osagasu | I'd roll a feral if it weren't for the fact I don't want 2 tanks |
| 00:16.14 | Corrodias | you can do melee dps instead... good luck getting anyone to let you do that though |
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| 00:21.44 | Shirik|zZz | I have arrived! |
| 00:21.53 | Shirik|zZz | (20:21:29) - Nickname 'Shirik' is already in use |
| 00:21.56 | Shirik|zZz | I want to kill someone :( |
| 00:22.03 | Shirik | there we go |
| 00:22.10 | Shirik | ~kill nbsirc |
| 00:22.11 | purl | ACTION shoots a super-inverse fluxphoton gun at nbsirc |
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| 00:38.28 | molgar | anyone know, if its possible to make a "list" just like the default quest log, so when i hold over a line i can select it, and remove it with a button if i want?? |
| 00:38.48 | molgar | with ScrollingMessageFrame i forgot to wright * ;P |
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| 00:43.46 | Shirik | Any recommendations on a mod that shows basic cooldowns (overpower, etc.) |
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| 00:45.50 | [dRaCo] | most SCT type addons do |
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| 00:47.10 | Shirik | sorry, I should have been more specific |
| 00:47.14 | Shirik | with a progress bar, etc. |
| 00:47.58 | ReAn | seriously |
| 00:48.07 | ReAn | all this lua programming has fucked me for VB/VBA |
| 00:48.11 | ReAn | i keep typing |
| 00:48.14 | ReAn | if (something) then |
| 00:48.16 | ReAn | end |
| 00:48.19 | ReAn | which is bad in VB |
| 00:48.21 | ReAn | :p |
| 00:48.25 | ReAn | very bad.... |
| 00:49.50 | NightHawkTheSane | VB sucks as it is, but if you're using Visual studio, it autocompletes that crap |
| 00:50.05 | ReAn | im actually working in VBA |
| 00:50.12 | ReAn | under the MSACCESS environment |
| 00:50.27 | NightHawkTheSane | my sympathies.. |
| 00:50.28 | ReAn | i gave my client a 20 page explanation of why MSACCESS was stupid |
| 00:50.35 | ReAn | vs. what i was offering to do |
| 00:50.45 | ReAn | which was a bonified program |
| 00:51.02 | ReAn | i was willing to do at no extra cost even tho it's time-wise more |
| 00:51.07 | ReAn | but they still insisted |
| 00:51.13 | ReAn | and i said, k, it's your money.... |
| 00:51.40 | ReAn | plus if i was using Visual Studio, id just program in C# |
| 00:51.44 | ReAn | { } ftw |
| 00:52.04 | ReAn | i seriously miss try/catch & exceptions the most |
| 00:52.22 | ReAn | error debugging in VBA is about as useless as a = a; |
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| 00:53.20 | Shirik | any compiler should optimize that out :) |
| 00:53.34 | Shirik | P.S., C++ > C# |
| 00:53.43 | Shirik | Correction, VB < C# < all |
| 00:53.50 | Shirik | s/Correction/clarification/ |
| 00:54.46 | Shirik | I don't see much future for C# honestly. Sure it's rising in popularity, but people like Java too much |
| 00:54.54 | Shirik | and C# doesn't really give you anything Java does |
| 00:55.12 | ReAn | except memory efficiency |
| 00:55.16 | ReAn | java's a fucking pig |
| 00:55.20 | Shirik | Was that supposed to be a joke? |
| 00:55.31 | Shirik | C# and memory efficiency in the same context? |
| 00:55.32 | NightHawkTheSane | c# will stick around for a while, because ms pushes it hard. |
| 00:56.30 | NightHawkTheSane | and a lot of companies buy into the 'microsoft development stack' so everything is vb/c#/asp/etc |
| 00:56.33 | Shirik | C# does have one benefit, I guess. It JITs instead of relying on a VM so much |
| 00:56.43 | Shirik | however, you could do that with Java too by making a custom VM that operates in a similar fashion |
| 00:57.06 | Shirik | But if you're going to go to C#, why not C++ instead? |
| 00:57.30 | NightHawkTheSane | are .net libraries available for c++? |
| 00:57.33 | Shirik | yup |
| 00:57.38 | NightHawkTheSane | huh, was not aware. |
| 00:57.40 | Shirik | ESPECIALLY if you're worried about memory efficiency |
| 00:57.41 | Cide | because "#" is cooler than "++" |
| 00:57.56 | Cide | doesn't C# do memory management? |
| 00:58.45 | Shirik | Yes |
| 00:59.04 | Shirik | although I've read some internals about it, it's an interesting way of doing it |
| 00:59.05 | Cide | so that's a plus if you don't need manual memory management |
| 00:59.12 | Shirik | I st.... you call that a plus? |
| 00:59.18 | Cide | in some cases, sure |
| 00:59.36 | Shirik | And if you're really worried about it, you can always use an auto pointer |
| 00:59.42 | Cide | it's not a performance boost |
| 00:59.45 | Shirik | (in C++) |
| 00:59.55 | Cide | but that's not the only plusses there are |
| 01:00.09 | Cide | if that was the case, you wouldn't have higher level languages in the first place |
| 01:00.28 | Shirik | I never consider paying a penalty for making the developer able to ignore things a good thing :P |
| 01:00.39 | Shirik | I should be clearer, paying that costly of a penalty* |
| 01:00.58 | Cide | it's only costly if you require that little extra |
| 01:01.01 | AnduinLothar | you dont think faster development is a good thing? |
| 01:01.16 | Shirik | If you want faster development, go use simulink and have it generate C code for you |
| 01:01.22 | Cide | it's a small price to pay for decreased development time for most non-time-critical applications imo |
| 01:01.25 | ReAn | seriously, from what i've seen, C# is best used in tool development, you can develop tools (which don't neccesarily have to be as efficient as c++ in memory/speed) in a much quicker way |
| 01:01.32 | Shirik | Much quicker way? |
| 01:01.34 | Shirik | Like what? |
| 01:01.39 | ReAn | basically gui |
| 01:01.45 | Cide | like not caring about memory :P |
| 01:01.49 | Shirik | How do you say it's easier in C#? |
| 01:01.54 | Shirik | You have the exact same tools in C++ |
| 01:02.05 | Cide | but you also have memory management |
| 01:02.05 | Shirik | (assuming Microsoft here) |
| 01:02.08 | Shirik | no you don't |
| 01:02.10 | Shirik | use a ref class |
| 01:02.26 | Shirik | Microsoft's C++ has all of .NET's capabilities |
| 01:02.28 | Shirik | including GC |
| 01:02.35 | ReAn | lol |
| 01:02.38 | ReAn | k, Shirik |
| 01:02.41 | Cide | C++ has memory management, don't bullshit |
| 01:02.46 | Cide | maybe you can code around it |
| 01:02.51 | Shirik | Want proof? |
| 01:02.53 | Shirik | I'll write it up right now |
| 01:02.58 | Cide | I'm sure it's possible |
| 01:03.01 | Cide | but if you use the GC |
| 01:03.02 | ReAn | oh my |
| 01:03.13 | Shirik | ReAn, how about I put it this way |
| 01:03.16 | Cide | you're arguing for the point you're arguing against in the first place |
| 01:03.17 | Shirik | .NET is bytecode |
| 01:03.25 | ReAn | oh, i know that |
| 01:03.26 | Cide | you were arguing against* |
| 01:03.34 | Shirik | And C++, C#, VB, they all go to the same bytecode |
| 01:03.42 | Shirik | THEREFORE Microsoft has to support them all |
| 01:03.55 | Shirik | and if you're going to have a GC available in C++, you need to extend C++ to make it able to do that |
| 01:03.57 | Shirik | which they did |
| 01:04.08 | Shirik | Cide: No, I'm just saying that C# doesn't have anything on C++ |
| 01:04.21 | Shirik | I prefer not to use the GC, but it's there |
| 01:04.27 | Cide | you're saying C# has a subset of C++'s features |
| 01:04.41 | Shirik | no, I'm saying C++ was extended to match C#'s features |
| 01:04.50 | Cide | hence the above is true |
| 01:05.04 | Shirik | ok fair enough |
| 01:05.24 | Cide | if you don't need the features C++ offers that C# doesn't, I don't see why people *CAN'T* use C# if they want to :P |
| 01:05.46 | Cide | or why using C++ would be any better in that case |
| 01:06.01 | Shirik | I'm just saying C# doesn't really have any "claim to fame" as far as I can tell |
| 01:06.05 | Shirik | and languages without that tend to die off |
| 01:07.02 | Cide | /shrug |
| 01:07.03 | Shirik | Example: Java is cross-platform and perfect for web or portable applications. C is great for low level realtime systems. Perl is great for being able to write decent programs in two lines of only non-alphanumeric characters. |
| 01:07.09 | ReAn | syntax wise, im a much larger fan of C#'s class syntax, only one file, not the .h and .cpp, less confusing that way, and YES I KNOW WHY THERE IS .h and .cpp in C++ |
| 01:07.13 | Cide | python is great for everything |
| 01:07.16 | Cide | maybe not a kernel |
| 01:07.19 | kd3 | wahahaha... a reckoning bomb |
| 01:07.19 | Cide | but everything else |
| 01:07.21 | Cide | oh |
| 01:07.23 | Cide | import kernel |
| 01:07.25 | Cide | nevermind |
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| 01:08.14 | Shirik | I started thinking about writing a kernel in spare time |
| 01:08.19 | ReAn | well, for what it's worth |
| 01:08.19 | Shirik | just to see what it's like |
| 01:08.23 | Shirik | not like it would be any good |
| 01:08.34 | ReAn | im going to the same university James Gosling went to, in the same program |
| 01:08.40 | ReAn | so they're very bug java thumpers here |
| 01:08.41 | ReAn | HUGE |
| 01:08.46 | ReAn | insanity huge |
| 01:08.50 | Shirik | I teach a Java class |
| 01:08.53 | Shirik | I still hate it :P |
| 01:08.54 | ReAn | in fact |
| 01:09.01 | ReAn | we do extremely little C++ here |
| 01:09.06 | Shirik | We do no C++ here, it's sad |
| 01:09.07 | ReAn | which makes me die a little inside |
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| 01:09.14 | Shirik | And like... 2 classes in C |
| 01:09.15 | Shirik | but whatever |
| 01:09.19 | ReAn | lol |
| 01:09.28 | ReAn | it's just assumed we know C++ |
| 01:09.41 | ReAn | occasionally we have to do a project that prettymuch has to be done in c++ |
| 01:09.43 | ReAn | or rather |
| 01:09.44 | ReAn | no java |
| 01:09.52 | Shirik | It's interesting, the first class you learn C is in EGR115: Problem Solving in C for Engineers |
| 01:09.52 | ReAn | which leaves C++ basically |
| 01:10.04 | Shirik | The next class you use C in is CS460: Realtime Systems |
| 01:10.08 | Shirik | that's one hell of a jump |
| 01:10.20 | ReAn | CPSC 215 is the first C course here |
| 01:10.32 | ReAn | that's a course for non-CPSC majors |
| 01:10.48 | ReAn | CPSC 231 is python (used to be pascal) and is the first computer science course here |
| 01:10.56 | ReAn | 233 is java |
| 01:11.00 | Shirik | I need to convince the school to teach Lua |
| 01:11.08 | ReAn | 331, 333, 335, are all java |
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| 01:11.12 | ReAn | 355 is assembly |
| 01:11.16 | ReAn | (SPARC) |
| 01:11.20 | ReAn | which is useless |
| 01:11.24 | Shirik | ew |
| 01:11.30 | ReAn | THEY DONT EVEN TEACH x86 here |
| 01:11.35 | ReAn | *sigh* |
| 01:11.40 | Shirik | Well we don't either. I don't find x86 particularly useful to teach |
| 01:11.44 | Shirik | And it's INCREDIBLY complex |
| 01:11.47 | Shirik | compared to other languages |
| 01:11.47 | ReAn | well |
| 01:11.50 | ReAn | i suppose |
| 01:11.53 | NightHawkTheSane | i think my college has since moved to java.. i think they still have some courses that do c/asm |
| 01:11.55 | Shirik | s/languages/architectures/ |
| 01:11.56 | ReAn | SPARC is at least an easy assembly |
| 01:12.20 | Shirik | For example, most would assume something like "MOV 100h, 4" would be legal |
| 01:12.26 | Shirik | 4 -> memory location $100 |
| 01:12.35 | Shirik | It's valid on several microcontrollers |
| 01:12.44 | Shirik | not PIC though, but that makes sense really |
| 01:12.52 | Shirik | their instruction words are too short |
| 01:13.16 | Shirik | by far the coolest architecture I've ever coded for |
| 01:13.25 | Shirik | TI's DSPs |
| 01:13.39 | ReAn | we had a really cool course in 3rd year |
| 01:13.45 | Shirik | since every line is not just one instruction but actually 8 |
| 01:13.54 | Shirik | since you have to control all 8 cores |
| 01:13.56 | ReAn | we used SPARC asm and C to write a controller for a custom piece of hardware |
| 01:14.00 | ReAn | and played music over it |
| 01:14.02 | ReAn | ::D |
| 01:14.03 | ReAn | :D* |
| 01:14.51 | Shirik | p.s. Cide |
| 01:14.51 | ReAn | prolly one of my more enjoyable classes |
| 01:14.51 | Shirik | I would love to see you code a kernel in python |
| 01:14.52 | Cide | me too |
| 01:14.58 | Shirik | I'd even write the interpreter for you to do it |
| 01:15.03 | ReAn | i never did learn python |
| 01:15.09 | Shirik | since it would have to run out of the OS |
| 01:15.11 | ReAn | i really should |
| 01:15.21 | Cide | just type some pseudocode |
| 01:15.23 | Cide | it'll execute |
| 01:16.07 | ReAn | anyway... |
| 01:16.09 | ReAn | back to VBA |
| 01:16.11 | ReAn | *shudder* |
| 01:16.17 | ReAn | *shudder* |
| 01:16.20 | ReAn | *pukes* |
| 01:16.23 | Shirik | haha |
| 01:16.25 | Shirik | omg |
| 01:16.35 | ReAn | i guess i just have to keep thinking of the $6000 paycheck in a couple weeks |
| 01:16.38 | Shirik | I had a presentation from NI today on one of their realtime targets |
| 01:16.47 | Shirik | they were doing really well until they had this one screen up |
| 01:16.51 | Shirik | at the top was "Option Explicit" |
| 01:16.55 | Shirik | after that I refused to read any more |
| 01:17.07 | acetar | lol |
| 01:17.41 | Shirik | later on I found out it was just for one of the GUIs that was showing us how it worked |
| 01:17.47 | Shirik | not the actual device |
| 01:17.58 | batrick | holy fucking shit |
| 01:18.06 | batrick | polarina said something on lua-l that actually made sense |
| 01:18.10 | Shirik | I know! |
| 01:18.11 | Shirik | I saw that |
| 01:18.21 | ReAn | who's polarina |
| 01:18.25 | ReAn | and what's lua-l? |
| 01:18.29 | batrick | i dont know what to say |
| 01:18.31 | batrick | !g lua-l |
| 01:18.31 | batbot | batrick: lua-l archive <http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/> |
| 01:18.45 | NightHawkTheSane | lua mailing list i assume :p |
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| 01:23.20 | Tem | not possible, bat |
| 01:23.26 | Tem | not even close to possible |
| 01:23.31 | batrick | hmm? |
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| 01:25.23 | Shirik | hrm |
| 01:25.24 | ReAn | NETSPLIT |
| 01:25.24 | batrick | ... |
| 01:25.26 | ReAn | :D |
| 01:25.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha |
| 01:25.27 | batrick | help! |
| 01:25.30 | Shirik | I still need to work on that :/ |
| 01:25.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I saw a few be k-lined |
| 01:25.35 | batrick | that's no netsplit |
| 01:25.36 | ReAn | on what? |
| 01:25.37 | batrick | it's a space station |
| 01:25.41 | kd3 | that's not a netsplit |
| 01:25.42 | Shirik | however, I did find something interesting |
| 01:25.50 | ReAn | true |
| 01:25.51 | Corrodias | well done, batrick |
| 01:25.55 | ReAn | you're right kd3 |
| 01:25.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: just auto rate limit joins. More than 10 in 4 seconds, call it good |
| 01:25.58 | Tekkub | I know I'm an asshole, but just put up +r and leave it like that |
| 01:25.59 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b *!*@cpe-76-170-208-13.socal.res.rr.com] by Shirik |
| 01:26.01 | batrick | bows* |
| 01:26.08 | Tekkub | or +R, whichever is the one that gives the user an error |
| 01:26.13 | |pez| | god I hate commercials. |
| 01:26.28 | Shirik | I did that ScytheBlade1 |
| 01:26.33 | Shirik | But, I know the real solution now |
| 01:26.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Apparently not well! ;) |
| 01:26.37 | Shirik | I don't know why I didn't do this sooner |
| 01:27.20 | bleeter | i do |
| 01:27.31 | bleeter | ~failrik |
| 01:27.32 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 01:27.40 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+J 2,5] by Shirik |
| 01:28.03 | Tekkub | +J? |
| 01:28.11 | Tekkub | how will Jelly save us? |
| 01:28.11 | Gnarfoz | rate limited joins |
| 01:28.27 | Shirik | actually now that I think about it that may not work |
| 01:28.30 | Gnarfoz | yay obscure chanmodes |
| 01:29.04 | Tekkub | I'll say it again, just put up +r and leave it up |
| 01:29.27 | Shirik | I'm curious who this guy is that I banned, though |
| 01:29.48 | widgertick | Oh no |
| 01:30.02 | widgertick | Shirik is curious. That never ends quietly. |
| 01:30.07 | Shirik | I have to tank though :( |
| 01:31.23 | |Jelly| | Jelly wont save us. Jelly will get a drink, lite a cigar and wait for armageddon completely trashed. |
| 01:32.57 | Cide | Shirik: told you they use nickchange now :P |
| 01:33.28 | Corrodias | there's the possibility of having a bot that adjusts the maximum number of users every few seconds |
| 01:33.28 | Cide | Shirik: I'm guessing that guy whose name started on B |
| 01:33.30 | Cide | err D* |
| 01:36.13 | Corrodias | my little kitty boy is so cuddly |
| 01:36.18 | NightHawkTheSane | I like Jelly's way of thinking |
| 01:47.44 | Shirik | Corrodias: I've seen that before |
| 01:47.54 | Shirik | was a feature of chanserv on another network I used to frequent |
| 01:49.14 | ReAn | man |
| 01:49.26 | ReAn | i wish VBA had better error handling |
| 01:49.34 | ReAn | On Error Goto is so ..... dirty |
| 01:50.14 | Corrodias | brilliance: have all errors GOTO a universal error handler function which then does different things depending on where it came from |
| 01:50.16 | Corrodias | muahahahaha |
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| 01:51.23 | Corrodias | no laughs, i see. just so nobody thinks i was serious, that was a joke. |
| 01:51.36 | kd3 | sigh |
| 01:51.46 | kd3 | so apparently the cat's found a new place to sit... where I'm putting the dsl modem |
| 01:51.55 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:53.54 | kd3 | I don't know how the hell it knocked it off the desk, but somehow the modem landed on the side with the on/off button |
| 01:54.27 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 01:54.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Your cat is a winner |
| 01:54.43 | Corrodias | my only cat+computer trouble so far has been when they zip through the area behind them and yank on cords |
| 01:54.58 | Corrodias | pulling them out or, in one case, breaking a usb jack : |
| 01:55.15 | Arrowmaster | i knew somebody that had a cat that would sleep ontop of his CRT |
| 01:55.35 | Thrae | My cat does not believe me when I tell her my keyboard drawer is not a place to step or sit. |
| 01:55.37 | Arrowmaster | sometimes it would fall off in its sleep onto his keyboard |
| 01:56.01 | Corrodias | hahah |
| 01:56.32 | acetar | my damn cat bites my feet if i ignore it while i'm on the computer-.- |
| 01:56.37 | acetar | only time it bites too |
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| 02:00.08 | Syzgyn | I love server crashes on raid nights :D |
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| 02:02.09 | Corrodias | when i found myself cheering for when we could NOT raid, i knew something was wrong |
| 02:02.15 | Syzgyn | heh |
| 02:05.39 | Sixen | Why's the UI Dinner at 7PM when the Con doesn't end until 10? :( |
| 02:06.27 | Corrodias | to make you miss some |
| 02:06.32 | Sixen | :( |
| 02:09.26 | Seerah | I haven't seen a schedule - has anyone seen a schedule? |
| 02:11.39 | JoshBorke | Sixen: you gotta eat, no matter who you think you are. you gotta eat |
| 02:11.57 | Sixen | Hehe. |
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| 02:23.40 | molgar | is there somewhere i can find addons with the Xml file |
| 02:24.34 | Quaiche | What's the best way to check the client version in code? I know I can dig it up but someone here is probably faster. :) |
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| 02:25.09 | cbreak | has anyone seen a flying carpet in action? |
| 02:25.16 | Silvio32 | hi all |
| 02:25.17 | AnduinLothar | i saw someone ona carpet |
| 02:25.18 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API |
| 02:25.32 | AnduinLothar | the tooltip is funny |
| 02:25.44 | cbreak | local toc = select(4, GetBuildInfo()); -- version, build, date, toc |
| 02:25.49 | Shirik | .... |
| 02:25.51 | Shirik | ........................ |
| 02:25.51 | Quaiche | Thank cbreak |
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| 02:25.52 | AnduinLothar | "Don't you dare close your eyes!" |
| 02:25.54 | Shirik | ~kill cbreak |
| 02:25.55 | purl | ACTION shoots a excited anti-graviton gun at cbreak |
| 02:26.03 | Shirik | local _, _, _, toc = GetBuildInfo() |
| 02:26.12 | cbreak | ~botpoison |
| 02:26.14 | purl | ACTION falls on the floor and becomes stiff, but not before firing a Browning automatic into cbreak, and hitting Mikk twice by mistake |
| 02:27.30 | Silvio32 | can somebody help me ? im beginning to wow-addons creation with Dan Gilbert and James Whitehead II book |
| 02:27.39 | cbreak | you don't like select Shirik? |
| 02:27.46 | Shirik | not when it's unnecessary |
| 02:28.03 | cbreak | says the guy who uses an anti-graviton gun... |
| 02:28.10 | Shirik | that was totally necessary |
| 02:29.16 | cbreak | I wonder if local toc, toc, toc, toc = GetBuildInfo() would work. |
| 02:29.19 | Duman | does pul have an asktoask command? :P |
| 02:29.26 | Duman | s/pul/purl/ |
| 02:29.26 | Shirik | it would iirc |
| 02:29.35 | Duman | ~asktoask |
| 02:29.38 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 02:29.41 | Shirik | ~factinfo asktoask |
| 02:29.41 | purl | asktoask -- created by Shirik <i=nospam@24.229.63.42.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net> at Wed Jul 18 00:33:40 2007 (439 days); it has been requested 423 times, last by Duman, 4s ago. |
| 02:30.05 | Shirik | lua> function foo() return 1,2,3,4; end local toc, toc, toc, toc = foo(); print(toc); |
| 02:30.05 | lua_bot | Shirik: 4 |
| 02:30.19 | Shirik | but I think people would be pissed at you for unreadable code :P |
| 02:30.37 | cbreak | well... _ is only significantly more readable... :) |
| 02:30.51 | Shirik | _ implies "I don't care about this" :P |
| 02:31.08 | Legorol | _ is kind of accepted standard |
| 02:31.17 | cbreak | it reminds me of prolog |
| 02:31.39 | cbreak | I had to interface with a Database in prolog. It was not fun. I don't like that language anymore. |
| 02:31.50 | Legorol | I'm a happy camper. My guild has tried Vashj properly for the first time tonight |
| 02:32.13 | cbreak | grats. We've tried her for months, never managed to kill her. that was ages ago :/ |
| 02:32.13 | Quaiche | Anyone know what GetPlayerBuff() has been replaced with? |
| 02:32.21 | Legorol | With the expansion coming, the majority feels we should try to kill Vashj and Kael. That'd be awesome. |
| 02:32.24 | cbreak | probably some unit buff |
| 02:32.41 | Legorol | cbreak: I think with a few nights of wiping, we have a good chance. |
| 02:32.47 | Legorol | We had some pretty decent tries at phase 2 |
| 02:33.02 | cbreak | we had major problems with core passing and kiting of the striders |
| 02:33.16 | cbreak | but with all the new badge gear it should be easier |
| 02:33.18 | Legorol | aye, strider is a pain, core seems to be going ok-ish and can only improve |
| 02:33.25 | Legorol | well we significantly outgear her |
| 02:33.28 | Legorol | which is why we are doing her now |
| 02:33.40 | Legorol | we are hoping the gear will help offset our lack of skill a bit and give a bigger margin of error |
| 02:33.45 | cbreak | I think she's harder than archie |
| 02:34.03 | Legorol | possibly |
| 02:34.22 | Legorol | for exmaple, we have 4/5 MH on farm for a few weeks now |
| 02:34.25 | Legorol | that's our gear level |
| 02:34.31 | Legorol | so it should be about right for Vashj :o) |
| 02:35.10 | cbreak | I've killed archie many times, but I never saw her die :/ |
| 02:35.27 | Legorol | whether or not we manage to kill her doesn't even matter to me |
| 02:35.36 | Legorol | the mere fact that we gathered our courage to try makes me happy |
| 02:35.57 | Seerah | Shirik: so which is faster? select() or _,_, foo? |
| 02:36.00 | cbreak | we're trying to get to illidan until the patch |
| 02:36.05 | cbreak | select is slower most likely |
| 02:36.12 | Cide | yep, definitely |
| 02:36.14 | cbreak | it's a function call, and much more generic |
| 02:36.15 | Seerah | probably.... |
| 02:36.16 | Cide | function call |
| 02:36.17 | Legorol | select is pretty fast though |
| 02:36.20 | Shirik | Seerah: easily the latter |
| 02:36.28 | Shirik | select is infinitely slower, Legorol |
| 02:36.37 | Legorol | it's a C function and it has some nifty tricks with the stack |
| 02:36.38 | cbreak | not infinitely :) |
| 02:36.39 | Shirik | (percentage-wise) |
| 02:36.41 | Shirik | no, infinitely |
| 02:36.42 | Arrowmaster | ohh i found something nice on ebay, 2U rackmount 12 drive 6TB sata raid system with dual 3.2ghz xeons 6gb of ram |
| 02:36.54 | cbreak | my code returns in less than a few miliseconds |
| 02:36.56 | Shirik | If select were free, you would get the same speed |
| 02:37.26 | cbreak | you get three more assignments |
| 02:37.26 | Legorol | well i'm not saying select is faster, but i don't think you incur a noticable penalty compared to _,_,_ |
| 02:37.26 | Shirik | because there is no such thing as a local lookup |
| 02:37.40 | Legorol | cbreak: those assignment cost very little in Lua |
| 02:37.47 | Legorol | *assignments |
| 02:37.49 | cbreak | yes, but they cost something. |
| 02:37.59 | Legorol | they will probably still be faster than a function call |
| 02:38.00 | Cide | >>> local clock, t0, _, _, t = os.clock; t0 = clock() for i = 1, 1e6 do _, _, t = 1, 2, 3 end return clock()-t0 |
| 02:38.01 | Cide | Cide: 0.691 |
| 02:38.03 | cbreak | so select can't be infinitely more costly :) |
| 02:38.26 | Cide | >>> local clock, select, t0, _, _, t = os.clock, select; t0 = clock() for i = 1, 1e6 do t = select(3, 1, 2, 3) end return clock()-t0 |
| 02:38.43 | Cide | uh |
| 02:38.46 | Shirik | cbreak: Infinitely more |
| 02:38.49 | Legorol | Cide: what you just did is so scientifically unsound it's not even funny :P |
| 02:38.51 | Shirik | Because you still get the assignment |
| 02:38.57 | Cide | Legorol: why? |
| 02:39.00 | Cide | just run it a few times |
| 02:39.01 | cbreak | yes, but only one compared to the four you use |
| 02:39.04 | Cide | get min and max bounds |
| 02:39.05 | Shirik | no |
| 02:39.06 | Shirik | you're wrong |
| 02:39.11 | Legorol | you are trying to benchmark by running code on a machine with varying load |
| 02:39.17 | Shirik | that's not how it works |
| 02:39.17 | Legorol | and you do so by running test 1 first then test 2 |
| 02:39.22 | Legorol | you have no error bounds on your results |
| 02:39.25 | Cide | read |
| 02:39.26 | Cide | again |
| 02:39.29 | Cide | <Cide> just run it a few times |
| 02:39.31 | Shirik | In fact |
| 02:39.31 | Cide | <Cide> get min and max bounds |
| 02:39.40 | Shirik | Trying to do more assignments would be cheaper |
| 02:39.47 | Shirik | because it's not more assignments, it's less truncation |
| 02:40.08 | Shirik | when you do "local x,y,z = ..." it's nothing more than just leaving things on the stack |
| 02:40.55 | Shirik | the assignments literally cost nothing |
| 02:41.05 | Legorol | Cide: that's much better |
| 02:41.09 | Shirik | However, I'm totally with Legorol, it's totally negligable except if you have multiple loops over it |
| 02:41.13 | Cide | I said that before you even mentioned anything :P |
| 02:41.26 | Shirik | however, I don't ask "Why" I ask "Why not" |
| 02:41.36 | Shirik | if it were something with 10 parameters I could understand |
| 02:41.38 | Shirik | 4 is nothing |
| 02:41.44 | Cide | except if you have like 1e6 iterations of it |
| 02:41.59 | Legorol | Cide: idd, i've assumed you are trying to demonstrate the difference with the two tests in-channel. My bad, assumptions are the mother of all fuckups. |
| 02:42.28 | cbreak | I am quite sure you can do either without much penalty in performance |
| 02:43.12 | Shirik | I never said anything about performance being the reason to do this, actually. I only stated that performance was there |
| 02:43.34 | Legorol | I personally prefer _,_,_,t |
| 02:43.37 | Shirik | My reason for doing it is that people see this and they say "Oh, that's how I pull out the fourth parameter!" and then end up using it in a hotspot and having real issues, or something of the like |
| 02:43.39 | Legorol | I find it more readable than select |
| 02:43.56 | Shirik | And that they don't even know how to capture 2 at once |
| 02:43.57 | Shirik | OR WORSE |
| 02:44.06 | cbreak | I like select more because it says what the purpose is |
| 02:44.06 | Shirik | people that think this returns 4: |
| 02:44.24 | Shirik | lua> function foo() return 1,2,3,4,5; end; return select(4, foo()) |
| 02:44.24 | lua_bot | Shirik: 4, 5 |
| 02:44.47 | Shirik | that can be a pretty big issue sometimes |
| 02:44.48 | cbreak | they didn't read the docs on select then :) |
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| 02:44.53 | Legorol | Shirik: the absolute worst is: a = select(4, foo()); b = select(5,foo()) |
| 02:44.56 | Mike-N-Go | Hello! |
| 02:44.58 | Cide | I don't think using select() over _, _, [...,], foo = a, b, ..., n has ever lead to any performance issues :P |
| 02:45.57 | Mike-N-Go | For some reason, my client has me in a room called #wowuidev-overflow. |
| 02:45.58 | Shirik | lua> for x = 1,5000000 do select(1, nil) end |
| 02:45.59 | Legorol | I'd go with what feels more readable and stylistic |
| 02:45.59 | lua_bot | Shirik: No output |
| 02:46.03 | Shirik | lua> for x = 1,10000000 do select(1, nil) end |
| 02:46.05 | lua_bot | Shirik: No output |
| 02:46.09 | Shirik | lua> for x = 1,20000000 do select(1, nil) end |
| 02:46.12 | lua_bot | Shirik: No output |
| 02:46.15 | Shirik | lua> for x = 1,30000000 do select(1, nil) end |
| 02:46.19 | lua_bot | Shirik: No output |
| 02:46.21 | Shirik | wtf |
| 02:46.23 | Shirik | what kind of timer it has |
| 02:46.31 | cbreak | lua> function foo() return 1,2,3,4,5; end; return (select(4, foo())) |
| 02:46.31 | lua_bot | cbreak: 4 |
| 02:46.32 | Cide | lua> while true end |
| 02:46.33 | lua_bot | Cide: luabot:1: 'do' expected near 'end' |
| 02:46.37 | Cide | lua> while true do end |
| 02:46.43 | lua_bot | Cide: Your code exceeded set CPU limits |
| 02:46.50 | Cide | timestamp difference? |
| 02:47.02 | Seerah | Mike-N-Go: iirc, that's where you get redirected if your nick is not registered and we have +R on - correct me if I'm wrong, Shirik |
| 02:47.14 | Mike-N-Go | What is +R? |
| 02:47.20 | Seerah | registered only |
| 02:47.26 | Seerah | for when the spammers hit |
| 02:47.39 | cbreak | there have been join/leave spamm attacks |
| 02:47.55 | Seerah | "drive by spammers" |
| 02:47.58 | Shirik | Mike-N-Go: When we were +rf |
| 02:48.01 | Mike-N-Go | Ahh, so a redirect for people who do not appear to have a registered nick. |
| 02:48.04 | Shirik | you will either go there or #shiibot |
| 02:48.06 | Shirik | depending on who set it |
| 02:48.37 | Mike-N-Go | What are these conditions called? IE +R? |
| 02:48.44 | Seerah | they're channel permissions |
| 02:49.06 | ScytheBlade1 | technically modes |
| 02:49.21 | Arrowmaster | its +r for not being able to join unless registered, and +R for not being able to talk in the channel unless registered |
| 02:49.30 | Shirik | +f is forward on uninvited |
| 02:49.32 | cbreak | I don't remember such modes when I read the IRC manual ages ago |
| 02:49.44 | Arrowmaster | they arent in the standards |
| 02:49.47 | Cide | why use f? |
| 02:49.52 | Cide | rR should cover all cases? |
| 02:49.57 | Arrowmaster | they do |
| 02:50.02 | Shirik | Freenode has requested it several times to help them find what are the bots |
| 02:50.05 | Arrowmaster | but without the +f they just get an error |
| 02:50.06 | Cide | ah |
| 02:50.30 | Cide | it was prolly that guy you banned |
| 02:50.36 | Shirik | I think it was |
| 02:50.39 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: you should get shiibot in #wowace |
| 02:50.41 | Cide | who was like "I've been dealing with computer security for 15 years!!" |
| 02:50.50 | Shirik | He said that? |
| 02:50.53 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:50.54 | Shirik | him! |
| 02:50.54 | Cide | the guy who acted like it |
| 02:50.55 | Shirik | haha |
| 02:51.04 | Shirik | It was only a temp ban... |
| 02:51.07 | Shirik | I let it up after a day |
| 02:51.12 | cbreak | does this channel have a log? :) |
| 02:51.14 | Cide | you were supposed to :P |
| 02:51.16 | Shirik | ~logs |
| 02:51.18 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 02:51.18 | Cide | it took like a week |
| 02:51.19 | Shirik | oh yeah |
| 02:51.21 | Shirik | oops ^_^ |
| 02:51.27 | Seerah | hehe |
| 02:51.36 | Shirik | But no I saw something unusual before that spam occurred |
| 02:52.45 | Mike-N-Go | Ahh, I now know what they are called. yay google: http://www.alien.net.au/irc/chanmodes.html |
| 02:53.14 | Arrowmaster | those modes are not part of the IRC standards |
| 02:53.32 | Arrowmaster | they can be for completely different things on different networks |
| 02:53.52 | Mike-N-Go | Oh? Do you know where this is documented for freenode servers? |
| 02:54.09 | Cide | I would try www.google.com/search?q=freenod |
| 02:54.11 | Cide | I would try www.google.com/search?q=freenode |
| 02:54.27 | Mike-N-Go | Bam. http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml. |
| 02:54.58 | Arrowmaster | was about to paste that exact link |
| 02:55.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik|zZz (n=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 02:55.36 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik|zZz] by ChanServ |
| 02:55.47 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: how about setting +J |
| 02:56.20 | Shirik|zZz | Arrowmaster: Check the modes :) |
| 02:56.33 | Arrowmaster | ah now i see it |
| 02:56.49 | Shirik | I think that will just slow the spam, though, not stop it |
| 02:57.03 | Shirik | p.s. yay for me tripping over the power cord of my router |
| 02:57.20 | Shirik | Um, Cide / ScytheBlade1 you guys are welcome to review my join/part module |
| 02:57.23 | Shirik | or anyone else for that matter |
| 02:57.29 | Shirik | I can't see why it's not picking this stuff up |
| 02:57.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure, pastey? |
| 02:57.36 | Cide | paste |
| 02:57.45 | Cide | I can tell you right now |
| 02:57.50 | Cide | you forgot to call registerAnalyzer |
| 02:57.54 | Shirik | no |
| 02:57.57 | Shirik | because the debug output comes |
| 02:57.58 | Cide | yes |
| 02:58.02 | Cide | I was mocking you |
| 02:58.04 | Shirik | :/ |
| 02:58.20 | Cide | join the bot chan and paste there |
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| 02:58.38 | Shirik | sec I never actually committed that code |
| 02:58.42 | Shirik | so now I have to log into my server :/ |
| 02:58.47 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:00.56 | Yssaril | Shirik: could +s help then they couldnt get the name from the channel lists |
| 03:01.10 | Shirik | This person is specifically targetting this and a few other channels |
| 03:01.19 | Yssaril | ic |
| 03:01.53 | Arrowmaster | WoW related channels |
| 03:03.33 | Tekkub | I know I'm an asshole and all, but just leave +r on :P |
| 03:04.00 | Arrowmaster | i do think +f should be left on permently |
| 03:04.10 | Shirik | +r? |
| 03:04.26 | Shirik | leaving +f doesn't do much by itself :) |
| 03:04.42 | Tekkub | yes, +r :P |
| 03:04.54 | Arrowmaster | send it to wowuidev-overflow and setup that channel as +m and give it a good topic and a chanserv join message explaining things |
| 03:05.13 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: i know but that way people are always sent to the same channel |
| 03:05.14 | Shirik | And I know I'm stubborn, Tekkub, but there's two things I don't like: (1) 'admitting defeat', and (2) sending away potential users (most notably the cosmos guys) |
| 03:05.29 | Arrowmaster | no different channels depending on who set it |
| 03:05.36 | Shirik | Well that wasn't intentional |
| 03:05.36 | Tekkub | admitting defeat? |
| 03:05.44 | Tekkub | I'd call it claiming victory |
| 03:06.02 | Shirik | If he forces us to restrict our audience, I'd call that a defeat |
| 03:06.46 | Tekkub | see you're just being all "half empty" about it |
| 03:06.58 | Corrodias | what the heck is +f again? |
| 03:07.05 | Tekkub | +fuckoff |
| 03:07.11 | Corrodias | i like that, but what does it do? |
| 03:07.14 | Cairenn|afk | forward |
| 03:07.23 | Arrowmaster | forwards to a different channel if they arent allowed to join instead of giving an error message |
| 03:07.32 | Corrodias | fascinating |
| 03:08.36 | Tekkub | eh oh, roaster garlic triscuits are comeing back for round two |
| 03:08.41 | Tekkub | damnit |
| 03:08.52 | Corrodias | hm? i love those |
| 03:11.01 | Tekkub | yes well, they don't burp nicely |
| 03:11.56 | Shirik | Cide wins |
| 03:11.59 | Cide | ~failrik |
| 03:12.09 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 03:12.21 | Tekkub | see now THAT is admitting defeat |
| 03:12.30 | Shirik | well I did kinda fail |
| 03:12.38 | Tem | yarg! |
| 03:12.39 | Shirik | it's like making a while loop and forgetting to increment your counter |
| 03:12.41 | Tem | 1% wipe on Kalecgos |
| 03:12.44 | Shirik | except not so CPU-intensive |
| 03:12.56 | Cide | like computing a time delta but not updating the time it was last updated |
| 03:13.01 | Cide | if that makes sense |
| 03:13.04 | Shirik | well that's literally what it was :/ |
| 03:13.10 | Cide | I know |
| 03:13.14 | Cide | I'm just mocking you some more |
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| 03:16.32 | Shirik | !reload |
| 03:16.32 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
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| 03:16.32 | Corrodias | !unreload |
| 03:16.32 | Tekkub | !lockandload |
| 03:16.32 | cbreak | !globalthermonuclearwar |
| 03:16.32 | Tekkub | !reloadui |
| 03:16.33 | AnduinLothar | !wtfareyouguystalkingabout |
| 03:16.33 | ScytheBlade1 | !failrik |
| 03:16.33 | Tekkub | !nothing |
| 03:16.40 | AnduinLothar | !thisisdumb |
| 03:17.02 | Tekkub | !noyou |
| 03:17.03 | Tand | anyone know of a good bag addon that puts it all in one big ol' bag? |
| 03:17.12 | Corrodias | i liked... TBag |
| 03:17.13 | Tand | ...should i have put a ! before that with no spaces? |
| 03:18.23 | Shirik | !quit |
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| 03:18.38 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shiibot] by ChanServ |
| 03:19.24 | AnduinLothar | baggins ftw |
| 03:19.30 | AnduinLothar | sort that shit |
| 03:19.37 | Tekkub | bleh... what to do |
| 03:19.44 | Corrodias | i lived and died by TBag |
| 03:19.50 | Corrodias | i shall fight you to the end, AL |
| 03:20.02 | Tekkub | edit new TG guides... make a web-based TG display on tekkub.net... just play with myself all night |
| 03:20.10 | Corrodias | with your nonidentical preferences |
| 03:23.07 | Tekkub | dot dot dot |
| 03:23.17 | molgar | anyone know if ther is an internet site where i can DL the mods with XML file |
| 03:23.23 | Tekkub | I just got called "gorgeous" (sp) |
| 03:23.30 | Corrodias | fools in love, they think they're heroes cause they get to feel more pain |
| 03:23.35 | Tekkub | this is why I avoid the flamers |
| 03:23.36 | Corrodias | *musics* |
| 03:24.23 | Shirik | !reload |
| 03:24.27 | Shirik | oop |
| 03:24.34 | Tekkub | !dontcomeback |
| 03:24.47 | Shirik | hey it worked |
| 03:24.47 | AnduinLothar | http://www.karlkfi.com/WoW/Baggins_BankAndBags.jpg you knwo you liek it |
| 03:25.03 | Tekkub | see, all the time you're wasting on this really seems like the spammer is winning to me |
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| 03:25.08 | Shirik | psh |
| 03:25.11 | Shirik | I'm having fun at least |
| 03:25.19 | Shirik | and he doesn't appear to be able to send messages anymore |
| 03:25.19 | Tekkub | lies |
| 03:25.32 | kd3 | oh damn. how did I miss this? spacex finally hit orbit |
| 03:25.44 | Tekkub | I need to get TekBot working since CIA is going to crap |
| 03:25.55 | Shirik | it is? |
| 03:26.02 | Tekkub | yes |
| 03:26.09 | Arrowmaster | how? |
| 03:26.36 | Tekkub | it's gone offline quite a lot lately, dongle's bot is missing, ace's was missing for a while |
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| 03:26.39 | Tekkub | the usual crap |
| 03:26.43 | Shirik | yuvk |
| 03:26.44 | Shirik | yuck |
| 03:26.53 | Arrowmaster | the ace one is usually because of the channel being +r |
| 03:27.17 | Tekkub | hrm.... |
| 03:27.23 | Shirik | owwwww |
| 03:27.25 | Shirik | big mosquito bite |
| 03:27.57 | Tekkub | there a way to make an exception to the +r? |
| 03:28.06 | Arrowmaster | maybe |
| 03:28.20 | Arrowmaster | maybe +l |
| 03:28.21 | Arrowmaster | dont know |
| 03:28.34 | Shirik | +I might work |
| 03:28.39 | Arrowmaster | or +e |
| 03:28.53 | Shirik | +e is for actual bans |
| 03:29.01 | Corrodias | it might work for other things too, who knows |
| 03:29.19 | Shirik | not according to documentation :P It says the only modes it works against are +b, +q, and +d |
| 03:29.29 | Corrodias | fuck the documentation, FULL SPEED AHEAD! |
| 03:29.38 | Shirik | ~lick Corrodias |
| 03:29.48 | purl | ACTION licks Corrodias *SHLUUURRRRPPP* |
| 03:29.48 | Shirik | what, no lick? |
| 03:29.56 | Shirik | there we go |
| 03:30.02 | Corrodias | hesitation... but overall satisfying |
| 03:30.04 | Arrowmaster | i only have channel access to channels on a network that doesnt use the exemption modes |
| 03:30.18 | Arrowmaster | so ive never used them much |
| 03:31.20 | Arrowmaster | used to be network staff on gamesurge and i know the board of directors and other staff perty well |
| 03:32.16 | ReAn | wow |
| 03:32.29 | ReAn | i rock |
| 03:32.32 | ReAn | i managed to crash explorer.exe by saving my MS Access database >_> |
| 03:32.40 | ReAn | *facepalm @ m$* |
| 03:32.46 | Shirik | my error is better |
| 03:32.51 | ReAn | orly? |
| 03:32.56 | ReAn | this is a cyclic crash |
| 03:32.59 | Tekkub | nope, +I doesn't seem to get around +r |
| 03:33.00 | ReAn | every time it starts up |
| 03:33.05 | ReAn | it crashes again |
| 03:33.15 | Shirik | By far the coolest message I ever got: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/4ba4b14cebd00e336d51ebffb2aa5ffb.PNG |
| 03:33.42 | ReAn | hehe |
| 03:33.43 | ReAn | DEP |
| 03:33.53 | Tekkub | +e worked, kickass |
| 03:33.59 | ReAn | i wonder if anyone's made a XP theme for Vista |
| 03:34.01 | Shirik | Fail @ documentation |
| 03:34.01 | ReAn | cuz frankly |
| 03:34.04 | ReAn | aero is phail |
| 03:34.09 | Shirik | aero is awesome |
| 03:34.13 | ReAn | and Win2k theme is crapola |
| 03:34.20 | ReAn | aero is SLOW |
| 03:34.25 | ReAn | unless you have a monolith |
| 03:34.26 | Shirik | no your computer is slow |
| 03:34.40 | Shirik | my laptop handles it with no problems whatsoever |
| 03:34.48 | Corrodias | both |
| 03:34.50 | Shirik | my laptop also has 4GB ram and a core 2 mobile |
| 03:34.51 | Shirik | but still |
| 03:34.57 | Shirik | and 2 hard drives in raid |
| 03:35.01 | Corrodias | not only is the computer slow, but the style is a foolish waste of resources |
| 03:35.06 | ReAn | AMD X2 4000+, 2gb ram, GeForce 7600 256mb should be able to run a fucking operating system |
| 03:35.47 | ReAn | aero runs "fine-ish" but i noticed a huge speed increase overall when i turned it off |
| 03:36.00 | ReAn | no momentary pauses between doing anything, etc... |
| 03:36.09 | Tekkub | okey, for reference... +i and +e are needed to allow someone past +r |
| 03:36.16 | Tekkub | *+I |
| 03:36.28 | Shirik | both? |
| 03:36.29 | Arrowmaster | both? |
| 03:36.33 | Tekkub | seems like it |
| 03:36.36 | Shirik | that seems odd |
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| 03:47.45 | Shirik | clearwire eh? |
| 03:47.53 | Shirik | I never actually tried that, been curious about it though |
| 03:48.25 | Reflekxi0n | Shirik: I wouldn't recommend it |
| 03:48.29 | Shirik | that bad? |
| 03:48.49 | Reflekxi0n | It's not really bad, but not good either.. it was a last resort situation. |
| 03:49.33 | Reflekxi0n | I'm having problems with my 2mbps connection, showing up as 4-4.5mbps through broadband speed tests, but at the same time it seem's like I'm not even getting 2mbps. |
| 03:49.53 | Shirik | why do you say that? |
| 03:50.23 | Reflekxi0n | But, Outside of that.. even a hour over your due date, you lose connection, and it takes you to the clearwire page and you have to go through a few steps to continue using it, only to do it again 24 hours later |
| 03:50.41 | Reflekxi0n | and randomly drops signal or connection.. it's nothing stable. |
| 03:50.57 | Shirik | Well it's somewhat new |
| 03:51.06 | Shirik | it would be awesome if some day that were worldwide (and stable) |
| 03:51.10 | Shirik | google could do it! |
| 03:51.18 | Shirik | They're making open source cell phones or something right? |
| 03:51.19 | Reflekxi0n | Yeah, they need to fix it up some.. but they are getting up there |
| 03:51.52 | Reflekxi0n | well.. the mail service from ClearWire, was just partnered up with google, and now it's Clearwire Mail powered by Google |
| 03:52.04 | Shirik | interesting |
| 03:52.21 | Reflekxi0n | Went from like 60mb to 2gb or whatever, not sure because I don't use it. |
| 03:53.00 | Reflekxi0n | I'm not sure about cell phones, I know they offer right now the broadband connection, the wireless card you put in your laptop like verizon has, and I think that's about it |
| 03:53.28 | Corrodias | clearwire... broadband wireless? |
| 03:54.06 | Reflekxi0n | Sry, it's the home internet, wireless internet, and internet phone or whatever you call it. |
| 03:54.37 | Corrodias | uh... but is it broadband wireless? |
| 03:54.44 | Corrodias | wireless broadband, whatever |
| 03:54.51 | Duman | effign world server |
| 03:55.00 | Reflekxi0n | It's sort of all wireless in a way, because what it is.. it's a modem but it just plugs into electricity and to your computer, it pulls it's connection in by whatever signal.. so you can take it wherever you want, it's not a thing that only works in 1 location |
| 03:55.28 | Corrodias | by "whatever signal", so you're not sure what technology it uses? |
| 03:56.00 | Corrodias | i -think- broadband wireless requires a dish |
| 03:56.18 | Tekkub | there's fixed wireless |
| 03:56.20 | Reflekxi0n | Corrodias: no, and don't really care much to look into it, i have it as a last resort thing because at my old house I was trying to get cable, and they couldn't do it because of the location of the house, an that they'd have to run cable lines over the electricity lines to get to it |
| 03:56.39 | Corrodias | silly cable people |
| 03:56.54 | Reflekxi0n | only for me to move down the road 6 months later after making a 2 year contract with clearwire, across the street with a cable pole right in front of my house |
| 03:58.36 | Reflekxi0n | Corrodias: They were just following the regulations, the major issue was that the distance from the house to the actual pole, they have to drop the line like so much per so many feet in distance, an they'd drop it to low that they'd get in trouble for it, like it'd be swinging to the ground low |
| 04:03.58 | Duman | whoa, GC was all over the rogue forums tonight |
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| 04:08.41 | Corrodias | what is GC? |
| 04:09.03 | kd3 | she's a class designer |
| 04:09.16 | ReAn | Ghostcrawler |
| 04:09.16 | Tekkub | GodCat |
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| 04:14.24 | Dewin | hmm |
| 04:14.44 | Dewin | Nice API_EasyMenu call with absolutely no documentation and FrameXML never uses it |
| 04:17.06 | Tekkub | yea and it really doesn't do very much of the whole dropdown setup either |
| 04:17.17 | Tekkub | it cuts out like 2 steps of 10 |
| 04:17.33 | Dewin | I don't quite understand how it all fits together tbh |
| 04:17.39 | Xinhuan | someone make a wiki guide ;) |
| 04:17.49 | Tekkub | dropdowns are... not fun |
| 04:19.44 | Corrodias | a wiki guide? :D |
| 04:20.07 | Dewin | The wiki guide wasn't really answering my questions, I'll have to take another look |
| 04:21.08 | Tekkub | http://github.com/tekkub/squeenix/tree/master/Config.lua#L78-93 |
| 04:21.20 | Tekkub | that's the "meat" of Squeenix's little 3-option dropdown |
| 04:21.45 | Dewin | That's perfect, I wanted something simple ;) |
| 04:21.57 | Dewin | and you don't use .xml, which the wiki example seems to like too much |
| 04:22.13 | Tekkub | I use a tekkonfig factory, but it's just a clone of the dropdown template of blizzy's |
| 04:23.02 | Tekkub | that's a config dropdown of course, not attaching a menu to some random frame |
| 04:24.08 | Dewin | So I do need to create a dedicated frame just for the menu... |
| 04:24.30 | Tekkub | yea, that's how their crap works |
| 04:26.04 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, soloing strath on live as an ele shaman kinda sucks. |
| 04:27.00 | Tekkub | good to know, I won't level a shaman |
| 04:27.11 | NightHawkTheSane | ... what? |
| 04:27.26 | Tekkub | why waste my time? |
| 04:28.07 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, you're right. my bad. |
| 04:28.37 | NightHawkTheSane | the minor frustration of soloing an out of date instance with a single spec of a class makes it TOTALLY not worth your time. i have no idea what i was thinking |
| 04:28.55 | Tekkub | see |
| 04:29.03 | Tekkub | druids are better |
| 04:29.03 | Dewin | heh... I managed to kill my wife's 70 priest in SM Cath. |
| 04:29.31 | Tekkub | let me guess, didn't clear the cath first? |
| 04:29.33 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly, druids ARE better. >< i'd kill a man for an even moderately useful aoe spel. |
| 04:29.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: the irony is it would have been moronically easy as resto. earth shield is stupid good. |
| 04:30.40 | Dewin | Tekkub: Pull went bad. |
| 04:30.48 | Dewin | I was like "We can handle 6, we're both 70" and somehow pulled about 30. |
| 04:31.04 | Tekkub | so you didn't clear the cath first :) |
| 04:31.29 | Tekkub | or was it the groups right inside the door |
| 04:31.42 | Tekkub | they love to run and grab everyone else if you don't drag em outside |
| 04:31.47 | Dewin | the latter |
| 04:32.18 | Dewin | It looks to me |
| 04:32.27 | Dewin | like you don't even need an init function when you call UIDropDownMenu_Initialize |
| 04:32.40 | Dewin | wiki docs only mentions the first 2 arguments, but function UIDropDownMenu_Initialize(frame, initFunction, displayMode, level, menuList) |
| 04:34.26 | Syzgyn | Dewin: single pulling cath is easy peasy :V |
| 04:34.34 | Dewin | Szygyn: I'm aware. |
| 04:34.46 | Dewin | I chose to pull a few extra because I figured 2 70s could handle it |
| 04:34.51 | Dewin | in the process, got more extra than I planned on getting |
| 04:34.55 | Corrodias | who can't handle the entire cath at once? |
| 04:34.55 | Syzgyn | I mean, 1 single pull |
| 04:35.05 | Corrodias | maybe squishy people |
| 04:35.06 | Dewin | Corrodias: A holy priest ;) |
| 04:35.10 | Corrodias | that'd do it |
| 04:35.14 | Dewin | she died |
| 04:35.33 | Corrodias | my feral druid loved that shit, mang |
| 04:36.34 | Dewin | ... lol |
| 04:36.36 | Corrodias | i must go have a walk. bbs. |
| 04:36.42 | Dewin | --Until we get around to making this betterz... local UIDropDownMenu_SecureInfo = {}; |
| 04:51.08 | molgar | i looked in the WOW UI at questFrame too see how they make a List so they can add and remove lines, and it seems that they use buttons.. however is it possible to tell my edit box to wright to a new button each tipe, or do i need to make a scrolling message frame over or under, and in that case how can i remove the text of the selected.. |
| 04:51.32 | Syzgyn | molgar: wait what? |
| 04:52.09 | molgar | hehe, i gonna make a List. where i can select a line and delete it |
| 04:52.30 | molgar | and not whipe the entire list.. just the selected file |
| 04:52.38 | molgar | just like Questlog is |
| 04:53.14 | molgar | but when i look in that xml file it seems they use buttons, to be able to select them |
| 04:54.26 | molgar | noone know anything about this ? |
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| 04:55.04 | molgar | !sigh |
| 04:57.00 | Dewin | Hmm... how the heck does UIDropDownMenu know what thing to add a button to... that's so... weird. |
| 04:57.11 | Syzgyn | molgar: whats wrong with doing it that way? |
| 04:58.53 | molgar | its nothing wrong with it, but my problem is that i duno how i can add buttons, with the name i fire in an EditBOx |
| 05:00.01 | Syzgyn | slash command triggering a function that adds to an array |
| 05:00.23 | WobWork | omg http://www.furutech.com/a2008/product2.asp?prodNo=308 |
| 05:01.00 | Syzgyn | wtf? |
| 05:01.01 | WobWork | cause the electricity needs to be CLEAN |
| 05:01.19 | WobWork | it's scary there's a market for these |
| 05:01.26 | Tekkub | I find running mine thru a bucket of bleach works |
| 05:02.11 | WobWork | Cause clearly the last 3 feet or so of cable is where the clean electricity is required |
| 05:02.31 | molgar | slash cmd ? why i need that for ? |
| 05:03.47 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: dude, thats so yesterday.. or the day before |
| 05:05.02 | WobWork | well for $1,800 these things keep well |
| 05:05.16 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, touché, salesman. |
| 05:05.16 | WobWork | in the "wtf people" stakes |
| 05:05.48 | WobWork | It's actually two days ago, yeah |
| 05:05.56 | WobWork | I'm just going through my Awesomer feed =P |
| 05:06.13 | Syzgyn | molgar: If its your own editbox, you dont |
| 05:06.36 | NightHawkTheSane | ... awesomer? |
| 05:06.37 | molgar | it is.. |
| 05:06.46 | molgar | thx alot for the help anyway |
| 05:09.17 | Syzgyn | so just an onEnter function then |
| 05:09.55 | Syzgyn | onEnterPressed* |
| 05:25.30 | Arrowmaster | reminds me of the $500 ethernet cable that from what i could tell was actually worse than a normal one |
| 05:26.14 | Arrowmaster | since it was a sheilded twisted pair cable but the connecters werent sheilded so the sheilding couldnt connect to ground |
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| 05:28.07 | Corrodias | wow, it's amazing how awesome i feel after a good power walk and a shower |
| 05:28.14 | Corrodias | who would like to... towel me? |
| 05:29.06 | Corrodias | no? well, it's just as well; i already did that |
| 05:30.29 | Corrodias | the insulating power of fat is obvious; i was warm, yet my belly and such were quite... chilled |
| 05:35.50 | Neuro_Medivh | Corridias, you'll just have to take matters into your own hands |
| 05:37.26 | WobWork | http://www.kongregate.com/games/Coolio_Niato/light-bot |
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| 05:51.59 | WobWork | that's a really good programming trainer |
| 05:52.00 | Dolby | lol google rocks http://i36.tinypic.com/b3sw03.png |
| 05:52.00 | WobWork | 187 commands |
| 05:53.05 | Arrowmaster | Dolby: i hope thats not a screen shot from your browser..... a "Free Hotmail" bookmark in firefox...... |
| 05:53.27 | Dolby | lol no |
| 05:53.30 | Dolby | from digg |
| 05:54.26 | Dolby | plus I use Konqueror for my browser |
| 05:59.18 | Corrodias | without love, where you you be naaa-na-na-now? |
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| 06:06.08 | Dewin | bah |
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| 06:07.10 | Dewin | Line 61: PXP.Menu.Resort(). Failing because I'm trying to call undefined indexed "Resort" |
| 06:07.31 | Dewin | line 11 of a different file that's loaded first (at least, it appears first in the TOC): function PXP.Menu.Resort() |
| 06:10.36 | zenzio | "Thunder Clap -- Increase in threat generation. No target limit." -- I think I just had a mental orgasm |
| 06:11.04 | nevcairiel | hehe yeah |
| 06:11.13 | nevcairiel | good bye TC glyph, space for a new one |
| 06:12.55 | Dewin | Files /are/ loaded in the order they appear in in the TOC file, right? |
| 06:13.35 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 06:13.44 | Dewin | oh. |
| 06:13.50 | Dewin | I initialized PXP.Menu to a table twice |
| 06:13.51 | Dewin | oops |
| 06:14.15 | Thunder_Child | ~lart nevcairiel |
| 06:14.15 | purl | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at nevcairiel |
| 06:14.30 | nevcairiel | its not my fault you name yourself like that |
| 06:14.43 | Thunder_Child | ~glare nevcairiel |
| 06:14.47 | purl | ACTION glares at nevcairiel |
| 06:14.47 | nevcairiel | TC is common for Thunder Clap =P |
| 06:14.58 | Thunder_Child | and i get pinged for thunder bluff as well |
| 06:15.02 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 06:15.36 | Kirov | TC is also common for Idiot |
| 06:15.57 | Corrodias | bur |
| 06:15.58 | Thunder_Child | no, TC is common for asshole, get it right Kirov |
| 06:16.29 | Kirov | Oh right |
| 06:18.56 | Dewin | Finally got around to disabling all my addons except the bare essentials for testing. /reloadui is so fast now |
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| 06:21.33 | batrick | having long compile times is good for the soul imo |
| 06:21.57 | End | it helps sometimes |
| 06:22.18 | End | you have to sit and think while you're waiting |
| 06:22.33 | End | I generally don't like it though ;-P |
| 06:22.44 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* i was only 7 when the simpsons were first released, i dont know if i feel old or not. |
| 06:24.46 | nevcairiel | I was 5, so dont feel that bad =P |
| 06:24.59 | End | I was...4 or 5 |
| 06:25.04 | End | I think |
| 06:25.11 | Thunder_Child | it's in swason 20 now |
| 06:25.14 | Thunder_Child | season* |
| 06:25.21 | End | ...jesus |
| 06:25.25 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 06:25.33 | nevcairiel | 1989 was the premier |
| 06:25.41 | |Jelly| | 5 |
| 06:26.03 | End | I was ...3 |
| 06:26.05 | Thunder_Child | not 88? |
| 06:26.36 | End | no, it's 89, unless you consider when it showed up on the tracy ullman show, which was '87 |
| 06:26.40 | nevcairiel | according |
| 06:26.42 | nevcairiel | er |
| 06:26.46 | nevcairiel | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096697/releaseinfo |
| 06:26.53 | Thunder_Child | how can it be 1989 + 20 = 2008? |
| 06:27.20 | Thunder_Child | oh..89 is #! |
| 06:27.24 | Thunder_Child | s/!/1/ |
| 06:27.37 | Mike-N-Go | Did someone change the law of math? |
| 06:28.11 | Thunder_Child | no, just me being stupid |
| 06:28.28 | Thunder_Child | and now i feel old since i seem to be older than the rest of you people |
| 06:29.38 | Neuro_Medivh | shrug, dunno about that... I believe I am older than you |
| 06:29.52 | Thunder_Child | well you didnt mention your name |
| 06:30.12 | Thunder_Child | s/name/age/ |
| 06:30.16 | nevcairiel | measuring our age by how old we were when simpsons was released |
| 06:30.19 | Thunder_Child | weee, Thunder_Child is losing it |
| 06:30.20 | Neuro_Medivh | ah, I'm 37 |
| 06:30.34 | Thunder_Child | ok, you have me beat by 10 years |
| 06:30.42 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 06:30.54 | Thunder_Child | though i think iriel beats you |
| 06:30.58 | Thunder_Child | and Cairenn |
| 06:31.06 | matt1s | 25 representing |
| 06:31.16 | AnduinLothar | making me feel like toddler |
| 06:31.31 | Thunder_Child | ~pat AnduinLothar |
| 06:31.31 | purl | ACTION pats AnduinLothar and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 06:31.31 | AnduinLothar | oh i forgot, 12 |
| 06:31.43 | Thunder_Child | you are twelve? |
| 06:31.46 | Neuro_Medivh | I believe Cairenn is slightly older than I... I dunno about Iriel, though between you and I, I'm not sure Iriel is entirely human... he's more like a coding machine |
| 06:31.50 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 06:31.59 | AnduinLothar | but since most wow players act 12 |
| 06:32.04 | AnduinLothar | i'll just pretend |
| 06:32.17 | nevcairiel | You want to fit in with those? |
| 06:32.32 | Thunder_Child | Neuro_Medivh, even coding machines age....then they get replaced |
| 06:32.34 | AnduinLothar | everyone wants to fit in.... you got friends? |
| 06:32.40 | WobWork | Iriel is more of a conglomerate of consciously aware subspace time matricies that happens to have an interest in code. |
| 06:32.44 | Thunder_Child | s/replaced/upgraded/ |
| 06:38.36 | Dewin | As opposed to, say, a deity? |
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| 06:59.16 | [SW]Dodge | g'morning :D |
| 06:59.24 | Corrodias | arr |
| 07:01.07 | Random | hmmm |
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| 07:07.16 | ccox|sleep | and ccox is still older |
| 07:08.24 | Dewin | My menus work. Yay. I also found some new tricks, since the wiki documentation is really, really sparse and the FrameXML documentation has some downright errors in it. |
| 07:08.41 | Dewin | However, when I click an item in my submenu, it dismisses the submenu but not the main menu. >.> |
| 07:08.50 | Tekkub | menus........... suck |
| 07:09.01 | Dewin | Tekkub: It ends up not being nearly as bad as I thought. |
| 07:10.24 | Dewin | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/96935 |
| 07:11.40 | Dewin | Annoyed that I have to have a globally-named frame just for the menu to work |
| 07:13.41 | Dewin | Any idea on how to dismiss the entire contraption when an item is selected? |
| 07:14.14 | Xinhuan | CloseDropDownMenus() |
| 07:14.27 | Xinhuan | CloseDropDownMenus([level]) |
| 07:15.45 | Xinhuan | btw, you didn't inherit your globally-named frame from any template right? it isn't needed |
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| 07:16.22 | Dewin | its' not? Okay, I'll take that out then :) |
| 07:16.28 | Xinhuan | yep, its not |
| 07:16.36 | Dewin | neat. |
| 07:16.46 | Dewin | considering I don't use the frame for ANYTHING else |
| 07:16.51 | Xinhuan | it does need to be a global |
| 07:16.53 | Dewin | I just need a frame with a global name >.> |
| 07:17.22 | Dewin | I forget who suggested the name Progression for this addon now so it's going to be hard to give proper credit >.> |
| 07:17.54 | [SW]Dodge | haha ,D |
| 07:18.05 | zenzio | Dewin: was it in this channel? |
| 07:18.07 | Dewin | Yes |
| 07:18.14 | Xinhuan | Dewin: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10892.0 |
| 07:18.14 | Arrowmaster | ~logs |
| 07:18.15 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 07:18.23 | Mike-N-Go | Dewin: Easy, either make up a creditee, or mispell "Progression." |
| 07:18.30 | Xinhuan | the syntax and stuff might have changed a little for wrath |
| 07:18.45 | Dewin | Xinhuan: I've fixed most of it now |
| 07:19.03 | zenzio | sep. 23 08:12:30 <Neuro_Medivh> call it Progressio |
| 07:19.06 | zenzio | +n |
| 07:19.13 | Dewin | Also I had the fun of discovering that the comments say menuTable when it's really menuList |
| 07:19.20 | Dewin | oh feck that, I'm going torename it to Progressio now :) |
| 07:19.30 | Xinhuan | ya, but i'm just saying, there's no need to inherit anything |
| 07:19.38 | zenzio | my copy-paste fell one character short :-p |
| 07:19.43 | Dewin | I know now, already pulled it out |
| 07:19.48 | Xinhuan | unless you want a specific dropdownmenu to look like the default ui ones with a selected option shown |
| 07:19.53 | Xinhuan | then you will inherit |
| 07:20.01 | Xinhuan | if u just want a rightclick menu |
| 07:20.04 | Xinhuan | then you don't have to |
| 07:20.07 | Dewin | It's not a 'combo box' per say, it's a right click menu |
| 07:20.19 | Mike-N-Go | Dewin: Does that mean I get credit now =P? |
| 07:20.29 | Dewin | No. |
| 07:20.46 | Xinhuan | what addon is this anyway? |
| 07:20.48 | Dewin | Xin: sec |
| 07:20.57 | Dewin | http://i37.tinypic.com/ir5il3.jpg |
| 07:21.05 | Dewin | shows some capabilities |
| 07:21.14 | Dewin | notice that it is watching all of those factions, and pet XP, and regular XP, all at the same time |
| 07:21.17 | Xinhuan | lol i see |
| 07:21.25 | Dewin | ... I do not expect any serious user to actually have that many shown at once |
| 07:21.28 | Dewin | but... yeah |
| 07:21.45 | Dewin | the more interesting parts will be having stuff autohide after being inactive, etc. |
| 07:21.45 | Mike-N-Go | Dewin: I would name it "Colorful Standing" |
| 07:21.57 | Dewin | Lol. Those are the standard faction colors |
| 07:22.15 | Dewin | the XP colors I stole from Bongos which I think in turn stole from the default UI |
| 07:22.20 | Mike-N-Go | Yah, but it looks colorful because there are diffrent colors. |
| 07:22.21 | Dewin | Pet XP I made up trying to use a color that wasn't used yet |
| 07:22.31 | Dewin | and tradeskills will be deep blue... once I figure out how to do the tradeskills |
| 07:22.48 | Dewin | (Fortunately, I just have to slap out a new "tradeskill.lua" when I get that far, as it's modular) |
| 07:22.59 | Dewin | hell 20 lines of code coudl add an HP and MP bar >.> |
| 07:23.09 | Dewin | but that's not the intent |
| 07:23.22 | Mike-N-Go | (Why are we talking in parenthesis?) |
| 07:24.01 | Dewin | (Didn't want to polute the global conversation, have to keep some stuff local) |
| 07:24.21 | Dewin | My next challenge |
| 07:24.26 | Dewin | is going to be figuring out how the hell to do tooltips |
| 07:24.48 | Dewin | when I just want it to say "Right-Click to configure, Alt-Click to drag" etc. |
| 07:25.32 | Dewin | anyways |
| 07:25.34 | Dewin | I go sleep now. |
| 07:25.50 | Mike-N-Go | Dewin: Sec, I want to tell you something. |
| 07:25.54 | Dewin | Sure. |
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| 07:26.25 | Mike-N-Go | Dewin: An idea, instead of having the max number for rep, you could have a bar with sub-bars that has notches for each tier, with start neutral and max Exalted. |
| 07:26.54 | Xinhuan | you would need a super long bar then |
| 07:26.59 | Xinhuan | because rep starts at Hated |
| 07:26.59 | Sixen | lol |
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| 07:27.13 | Xinhuan | you would need a bar from 0 to 84999 |
| 07:27.18 | Fisker- | or you just need little space between notches >:3 |
| 07:27.26 | Xinhuan | an 0/3000 neutral is at the 42000 mark |
| 07:27.32 | Xinhuan | 84000 is exalted |
| 07:27.35 | Xinhuan | and 84999 is max exalted ;p |
| 07:28.08 | Mike-N-Go | Nah, why put Hated on the main part? Only have a bar that shows to where you transition out of hated. |
| 07:28.20 | Xinhuan | what if you wanted to farm pirate rep? |
| 07:28.30 | Xinhuan | that brings your booty bay rep to hated |
| 07:28.35 | Mike-N-Go | Then it would go backward! |
| 07:28.37 | Xinhuan | and then farm BB rep back to neutra? |
| 07:28.49 | Corrodias | Xinhuan: you'd be spending a very, very long time at it |
| 07:28.55 | Mike-N-Go | Xinhuan: Have one bar for hated, one for everything else. |
| 07:28.57 | Xinhuan | already on it |
| 07:29.02 | Dewin | Mike-N-Go: it's already been a requested feature |
| 07:29.08 | Dewin | and is not going to be in the initial release |
| 07:29.16 | Xinhuan | 1 month should be enough from max hated to max exalted ;p |
| 07:29.24 | Corrodias | i daresay you'd be better served, Xinhuan, by finding another game to play than you would by spending the time to play with the reputations like that |
| 07:29.38 | Xinhuan | i had 38 exalted factions last week |
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| 07:29.43 | Xinhuan | now i have 34 and a pirate hat |
| 07:29.44 | [SW]Dodge | hated is -42k; 0/3000 neutral is 0 and max exalted is 42999 :D |
| 07:29.50 | Dewin | Mainly because the core bar functionality does /not/ allow that, and I really don't want to fuxx it in. |
| 07:29.51 | Corrodias | when pirate rep starts looking attractive, it MAY be a sign that you should find something else to do |
| 07:29.53 | [SW]Dodge | lol Xinhuan |
| 07:29.58 | Dewin | Core functionality only allows for a set amount and a 'bonus' amount >.> |
| 07:30.16 | Fisker- | you could also have 2 bars |
| 07:30.25 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: lol |
| 07:30.26 | Fisker- | one for hated->neutral and one for neutral->exalted |
| 07:30.29 | Xinhuan | it wasn't even difficult to farm pirate rep |
| 07:30.38 | Xinhuan | 6 hours was all it took using /2 to form a 5-man group |
| 07:30.40 | Arrowmaster | are you exalted with bloodsail? |
| 07:30.47 | Xinhuan | no, because its impossible |
| 07:30.52 | Arrowmaster | it is? |
| 07:30.58 | Xinhuan | it caps at 20999/21000 |
| 07:31.15 | Xinhuan | also only 1 mob gives rep from max honored to max revered |
| 07:31.16 | Tekkub | YOU FAIL |
| 07:31.20 | Xinhuan | i.e you need to kill this mob 21000 times |
| 07:31.26 | Xinhuan | he is the goblin in badlands |
| 07:31.34 | Xinhuan | with a respawn timer of 5 min |
| 07:31.38 | Arrowmaster | you have an allince mage on northrend right? |
| 07:31.47 | Xinhuan | that's 105000 minutes = 72 days |
| 07:31.52 | Xinhuan | yes arrow |
| 07:31.58 | Tekkub | 72 day ain't nuttin for a REAL pirate |
| 07:31.59 | Arrowmaster | port me to darlan |
| 07:32.01 | Xinhuan | if u farm it 8 hours a day on every respawn |
| 07:32.08 | Xinhuan | that takes 216 days or 7 months |
| 07:32.16 | Xinhuan | only 1 person in the world has reached 20999/21000 |
| 07:32.18 | Xinhuan | he took 8 months |
| 07:32.42 | Xinhuan | my mage is lvl 70 |
| 07:32.46 | Arrowmaster | boo |
| 07:32.47 | Xinhuan | and only has valiance keep explorerd |
| 07:32.52 | Xinhuan | nothing else |
| 07:33.14 | Arrowmaster | i havent logged on beta in forever and the first thing i hear is 'fatality' |
| 07:33.30 | Xinhuan | i don't even have bugsack installed |
| 07:33.35 | Xinhuan | just buggrabber |
| 07:33.36 | Arrowmaster | WTF |
| 07:33.53 | Arrowmaster | i logged in in ebonhold and got killed |
| 07:34.06 | Arrowmaster | WTF |
| 07:34.10 | Arrowmaster | PATCHWORK!!! |
| 07:34.11 | Arrowmaster | WTF |
| 07:34.25 | Corrodias | patchwnd? |
| 07:34.28 | Fisker- | old |
| 07:34.30 | Fisker- | and it's werk |
| 07:34.55 | Arrowmaster | but why the fuck did i get killed after loggin in |
| 07:36.10 | Arrowmaster | oh thats cool, i droped my sword when i was killed |
| 07:36.46 | Corrodias | you what? what do you mean? |
| 07:38.08 | Doow | msg nickserv set |
| 07:38.24 | Doow | oops =) |
| 07:38.27 | Arrowmaster | i was killed and my sword was on the ground by my feet and not in my hands |
| 07:38.47 | Corrodias | i've never seen an item on the ground in WoW... |
| 07:38.50 | Dewin | didn't go out fighting? |
| 07:39.02 | Corrodias | or do you mean your model "dropped" the sword, but it's still equipped on you? |
| 07:39.48 | Fisker- | Draenei's drop their weapons when they die i believe |
| 07:39.50 | Dewin | quick, loot him! |
| 07:40.04 | Dewin | the sword is *right there* |
| 07:41.08 | Fisker- | tomorrow i'll has monitor |
| 07:43.35 | Arrowmaster | yeah i usually dont play draenei but my DK is |
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| 07:44.37 | Fisker- | grinding mag'har rep soothes me >:3 |
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| 07:53.20 | Punkie | morning |
| 07:53.32 | Corrodias | yo |
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| 08:35.19 | Syzgyn | Check it out: http://i33.tinypic.com/2ry1ve9.jpg |
| 08:36.23 | nevcairiel | whats new? |
| 08:37.46 | Syzgyn | You mean besides the completely different frame layout? |
| 08:38.06 | nevcairiel | I didnt memorize the frame layout in beta, sorry =P |
| 08:39.50 | Syzgyn | Heres what it normally looks like: http://i36.tinypic.com/f9mwxf.jpg |
| 08:42.12 | Syzgyn | Oh, people just downed Malygos |
| 08:42.22 | Neuro_Medivh | is that what Magic Seeker means? |
| 08:42.31 | Syzgyn | 25 man yea |
| 08:42.45 | nevcairiel | where do you get a baby shark? o.o |
| 08:42.47 | Neuro_Medivh | that's horde-side, no? I see DnT |
| 08:43.37 | Syzgyn | Correct |
| 08:43.51 | Syzgyn | Baby shark was/is from the wintergrasp pvp vendor |
| 08:43.56 | Syzgyn | I assume its there still |
| 08:59.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: thats a pretty nice change to the pet tab |
| 09:00.34 | Syzgyn | Damn you for making my PC beep as I'm about to get in bed |
| 09:01.22 | Syzgyn | But thanks :) I'm gonna push it on wowi sometime tomorrow. I'll throw you a link if i remember/you remind me |
| 09:02.10 | NightHawkTheSane | i check wowi pretty often, so ill probably see it, but cool. :) |
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| 12:49.24 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, dear. |
| 13:05.29 | [SW]Dodge | Cairenn: ping |
| 13:05.38 | Cairenn | [SW]Dodge: pong |
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| 13:07.11 | [SW]Dodge | Cairenn: dunno if it is your job to approve wowui uploads, but there are 2 pending for my addon one of them contains an lua.exe and a bat file, they are not dangorous but this zip can be deleted i just uploaded a new zip w/o these files |
| 13:07.29 | [SW]Dodge | it was a mistake with tortoiseSVN export function :S |
| 13:07.43 | cbreak | you have executables in your svn? :/ |
| 13:08.03 | Cairenn | sent you a PM about it - figured it was something like that |
| 13:08.13 | Cairenn | approved |
| 13:08.38 | [SW]Dodge | cbreak: i just have an executable in the directory not on svn, but while exporting from the directory tortoiseSVN also copied the file :) |
| 13:08.56 | nevcairiel | thats why you export from the repository, not from another dir |
| 13:10.30 | [SW]Dodge | in future i'll do that :D' |
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| 13:12.47 | ulikemysong | hi |
| 13:13.20 | Lopeppeppy | Morning. |
| 13:14.36 | ulikemysong | can someone help me to correct my addon ? its very simple for now i just wanna display a frame but it keeps not working... im quite sure to be almost correct btw |
| 13:14.46 | haste | ~asktoask |
| 13:14.47 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 13:16.11 | Lopeppeppy | We also have a pastey you'll see in the channel topic for sharing your code! But it's still early for a lot of people. |
| 13:16.18 | cbreak | ulikemysong: the answer is "probably yes" |
| 13:16.34 | ulikemysong | ok |
| 13:16.45 | haste | ~ugt |
| 13:16.46 | purl | ugt is probably Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 13:16.46 | haste | ! |
| 13:17.18 | Josh_Borke | ~lart haste |
| 13:17.18 | purl | beats haste over the head with a microkernel |
| 13:17.24 | ulikemysong | for me its afternoon :P |
| 13:17.30 | cbreak | microkernel ftw! |
| 13:17.45 | haste | that's a bad adjustment |
| 13:17.52 | haste | a microkernel won't do much damage! |
| 13:18.03 | cbreak | it has services to do that for it |
| 13:18.17 | Josh_Borke | you guys suck |
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| 13:22.07 | ulikemysong | ok i pasted my mod |
| 13:22.15 | ulikemysong | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/96952-1re4 |
| 13:25.15 | ulikemysong | if someone wanna have a look :) |
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| 13:36.16 | Maldivia | ulikemysong: tried Show() ? |
| 13:36.56 | ulikemysong | onload u mean ? |
| 13:37.25 | ulikemysong | will try |
| 13:37.25 | Maldivia | yeah - or looked at the log file to see if there are any problems reported there |
| 13:38.09 | Maldivia | where the log file would be: FrameXML.log |
| 13:38.23 | ulikemysong | ok thx |
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| 14:20.21 | ShaneSveller | wasn't there a forum sticky somewhere about Dev guids on the beta servers? |
| 14:20.24 | ShaneSveller | guilds* |
| 14:20.44 | cbreak | I haven't seen one |
| 14:21.01 | foxlit | old news might be a better bet |
| 14:21.17 | digmouse | Shanesveller: Northrend Alliance is <WTB API PST> Horde is <Secure Templar> |
| 14:21.36 | digmouse | or opposite, I didnt quite remember the factions |
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| 14:21.42 | ShaneSveller | digmouse: thanks, i'll have to try a /who tonight to finagle an invite |
| 14:22.02 | digmouse | Tekkub is in, and you can whisper anyone in them to get an invite |
| 14:22.39 | digmouse | I can invite u on Horde |
| 14:23.02 | ShaneSveller | digmouse: thanks, i am on horde, but i don't have beta on my laptop, i'm at work |
| 14:23.16 | digmouse | k, tell me if u can |
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| 14:29.14 | ShaneSveller | anyone familiar with oUF on? like p3lim or haste? |
| 14:29.26 | p3lim | im here |
| 14:30.35 | ShaneSveller | p3lim: I'm starting my own layout finally and want to isolate just the player frame to begin with and after copying and pasting what looks like only the relevant part of your layout, my Blizz UFs disappear but I don't get any frame of my own. I have the Spawn calls and the SetActiveLayout, and the call that registers the function as the layout style |
| 14:30.56 | ShaneSveller | let me see if i put the WIP on my git repo yet, that will make it easier |
| 14:31.13 | ShaneSveller | but my main question is how much is essential to get a functional player frame to display so i can tweak it? |
| 14:31.18 | p3lim | its SetActiveStyle, not ..Layout |
| 14:31.41 | p3lim | :Spawn('player'):SetPoint('CENTER') |
| 14:32.01 | p3lim | :Spawn('player'):SetPoint('CENTER', UIParent) actually |
| 14:32.11 | ShaneSveller | I'm typing from memory, don't have the code in front of me, and yeah, that's the call i made, no dice. |
| 14:32.17 | p3lim | oh god.. |
| 14:32.50 | p3lim | im beeing msg flooded, how do i stop this? |
| 14:33.22 | molgar | msg flood stop(); |
| 14:33.24 | foxlit | /quit |
| 14:33.32 | foxlit | /ignore |
| 14:33.48 | p3lim | thanks molgar |
| 14:33.58 | p3lim | foxlit: was from like 20 diffrent 'people' |
| 14:34.01 | p3lim | or bots rather |
| 14:34.17 | molgar | hehe |
| 14:34.25 | foxlit | p3lim: changes nothing :) |
| 14:34.39 | p3lim | cant possible ignore that much :p |
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| 14:34.51 | p3lim | actually, say 50 |
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| 14:35.17 | Lunessa | STATION! |
| 14:35.49 | foxlit | p3lim: hostmask, really |
| 14:35.58 | foxlit | Or, heck, /quit works :) |
| 14:36.03 | |Jelly| | ~hug Peppy |
| 14:36.03 | purl | ACTION hugs Peppy |
| 14:36.29 | p3lim | there, if anyone tried to pm me now, i removed the window and had no idea what you said >_> |
| 14:36.47 | molgar | loool |
| 14:38.13 | ShaneSveller | p3lim: resent lol |
| 14:38.20 | p3lim | :) |
| 14:38.44 | p3lim | oh you want a dummy test frame? |
| 14:39.10 | p3lim | at the last line in the CreateStyle function you need this one |
| 14:39.13 | p3lim | return self |
| 14:39.13 | ShaneSveller | yup, just something to show so i can scale and place it and the bars/text within |
| 14:39.28 | foxlit | teehee, wowhead in "Ð ÑÑÑком" |
| 14:39.33 | ShaneSveller | i think i tried that after further examining yours and tekkubs layout from github, but i'll try it again later |
| 14:39.49 | ShaneSveller | nothing else obviously missing? |
| 14:39.53 | p3lim | I think thats your culprit |
| 14:40.00 | ShaneSveller | mk |
| 14:40.05 | p3lim | also, you must have something on the frame so it shows at all |
| 14:40.08 | p3lim | like.. size :p |
| 14:40.32 | ShaneSveller | heh |
| 14:41.01 | p3lim | http://svn.wowinterface.com/filedetails.php?repname=oUF_P3lim&path=%2Ftrunk%2FoUF_P3lim%2FoUF_P3lim.lua |
| 14:41.21 | p3lim | grr they dont show line numbers |
| 14:41.22 | ShaneSveller | now, for doing my own custom text or colors, is it better to define postupdateyaddayadda functions? or do it the way Haste has it in oUF_Lily/Classic |
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| 14:42.13 | p3lim | line 264+265 you need |
| 14:42.28 | p3lim | you could set a backdrop to it to show a black box |
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| 14:43.14 | p3lim | the PostUpdateHealth|Power embeds that function to update at certain events |
| 14:43.22 | p3lim | if you dont have the text updated it wont change |
| 14:43.50 | ShaneSveller | ok |
| 14:44.07 | p3lim | as default, all statusbars, name, default tags and other elements is updated too, as long as you spawn them |
| 14:44.24 | p3lim | But those are overrideable |
| 14:44.31 | ShaneSveller | the postupdate functions are just to override the styling or text then? |
| 14:44.34 | p3lim | no |
| 14:44.37 | p3lim | not to override |
| 14:44.48 | p3lim | for that you have OverrideUpdateHealth|Power |
| 14:44.54 | molgar | anyone know what tools i use to make a list ? like questlog , so i can select each line |
| 14:44.58 | ShaneSveller | oh |
| 14:45.07 | ShaneSveller | (we can continue this in PM if we're annoying anyone) |
| 14:45.38 | p3lim | Tbh, there are several people (atleast for what I know) that have issues starting off with oUF too, maybe they are reading :p |
| 14:46.07 | p3lim | molgar: what you mean by 'tool'? |
| 14:46.26 | ShaneSveller | you'd think after reading over your layout, tek's, and haste's two example layouts that i'd have a better grasp, but even with the framework you all have wildly different programming styles |
| 14:46.55 | molgar | i meen Tool, like ScrollingMessageFrame, buttons, fontstring, textures etc... i cant make it with scrollingmessageframe i think |
| 14:47.10 | p3lim | the diffrence between me, haste and tekkub is that both of them are more experienced and skilled, im still a newbie to lua :) |
| 14:47.45 | molgar | or do i need sevral tool to do it ? |
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| 14:48.08 | p3lim | molgar: look through http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 14:48.46 | p3lim | never tried making a clickable list, not sure |
| 14:48.53 | molgar | i did...... i searched for it for over 12 hours mate, i read book, i asked in forum, i looked all over wowwikki and even looked in the wowaddons, like questlog |
| 14:49.03 | p3lim | hm |
| 14:49.11 | foxlit | So did you read the questlog code, then? |
| 14:49.11 | molgar | ;P |
| 14:49.46 | foxlit | It's probably a fauxscrollframe-derivative. |
| 14:49.56 | molgar | yes, and the xml, but its rly messy to read it.. |
| 14:50.06 | ShaneSveller | didn't those break in 3.0? at least, my copy of MCP did |
| 14:50.09 | foxlit | l2read :) |
| 14:50.39 | foxlit | Those have breaking changes in 3.0 |
| 14:50.50 | ShaneSveller | the fauxscrollframe? |
| 14:50.59 | p3lim | molgar: the QuestLogFrame.xml is rather easy to read |
| 14:51.03 | foxlit | more or less every blizzard-provided Widget framework |
| 14:51.15 | foxlit | However, that isn't to say they don't work -- it's just that your copy of MCP is built against an old version of the API. |
| 14:51.17 | p3lim | and yes, its a FauxScrollFrame |
| 14:51.43 | foxlit | As for wowwiki, http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_a_scrollable_list_using_FauxScrollFrameTemplate |
| 14:52.06 | ShaneSveller | foxlit: fair enough. i wish i knew enough to fix it. i'm dying for a slash command addon control panel with profiles on beta |
| 14:52.18 | ShaneSveller | ampere is doing ok but doesn't do everything i want |
| 14:52.38 | p3lim | btw ShaneSveller |
| 14:52.41 | foxlit | It's a relatively simple function signature change |
| 14:52.41 | molgar | okey, thx ALOT, the addon stuido for wow software, dosnt have that tool in list, maby i need to import it. THX ALOT Foxlit, i searched so long for this |
| 14:52.50 | p3lim | colors and menu is not needed to spawn a dummy frame |
| 14:53.01 | p3lim | neither is tooltips |
| 14:53.14 | ShaneSveller | p3lim: good to know |
| 14:53.38 | ShaneSveller | hm, as long as i don't tread on LibMobHealth territory, i should be able to test an oUF layout on live just fine, right? |
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| 14:54.17 | ShaneSveller | particularly for these basics |
| 14:55.54 | p3lim | ShaneSveller: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/96964 |
| 14:56.07 | p3lim | theres a dummy code |
| 14:56.24 | ShaneSveller | lol that's about as slim as it gets, thanks |
| 14:56.52 | p3lim | that requires an unembedded copy of oUF ofcourse |
| 14:57.57 | ShaneSveller | mmhm |
| 14:58.12 | ShaneSveller | have you looked into embedding or using the new tags yet? i'd like to implement that once i have something working |
| 14:59.21 | p3lim | i have no need to embed |
| 14:59.27 | p3lim | and yes, im using tags |
| 14:59.33 | p3lim | just havent released it yet |
| 14:59.45 | ShaneSveller | gotcha |
| 15:00.06 | p3lim | made a group layout too (for party + raid) that is based entirely on the new tag system |
| 15:00.27 | ShaneSveller | hotness, can't wait to look it over |
| 15:00.38 | ShaneSveller | i'd love to replace Grid/etc. with oUF too |
| 15:01.23 | Stanzilla | there's oUF_Grid |
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| 15:01.31 | ShaneSveller | yeah |
| 15:01.41 | ShaneSveller | i've been on a do-it-myself kick lately |
| 15:01.45 | Stanzilla | ^^ |
| 15:02.16 | ShaneSveller | dropped my UI from ~60mb after a few hours of playtime to like 18, pretty happy about that |
| 15:02.28 | ShaneSveller | kept finding little bitty parts of sprawling addons that were the only part i liked |
| 15:02.45 | p3lim | its not all about the memory tho |
| 15:02.58 | ShaneSveller | nope, of course not |
| 15:03.13 | ShaneSveller | but it can sometimes be a good barometer of code efficiency as long as it's not a hard rule |
| 15:03.32 | ShaneSveller | of course that doesn't account for things that include lots of textures and whatnot |
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| 15:07.39 | p3lim | thats why i try to use media by blizz as much as possible |
| 15:07.44 | ShaneSveller | yeah |
| 15:07.51 | p3lim | only exception is font in pMinimap and texture in oUF |
| 15:09.19 | Stanzilla | i hate the default blizz fonts |
| 15:10.21 | p3lim | well, I use fontobjects and replace the default \Fonts |
| 15:10.27 | p3lim | so I dont have to do it through addons |
| 15:10.39 | p3lim | that way i get same fonts for everything with no setup |
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| 15:11.26 | boshi | is there a way to get the texture for a spell that is not in the current player's spellbook (ie diff class) ? |
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| 15:12.00 | Josh_Borke | hdr_validator *entry = &((hdr_validator *) (a->elts))[i] <-- i wrote that line and it makes me cry |
| 15:12.24 | foxlit | GetSpellInfo |
| 15:12.29 | zenzelezz | you should. No Hungarian notation! |
| 15:14.17 | Josh_Borke | *facepalm* |
| 15:16.07 | ulikemysong | maybe can someone answer me. I wanna display the minimap content in a new frame but i dunno which texture use.... |
| 15:17.19 | ShaneSveller | p3lim: i do the same wrt fonts |
| 15:17.58 | p3lim | boshi: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetSpellInfo |
| 15:17.59 | ShaneSveller | p3lim: i'm throwing my layout up on CF in a little while, starting with your dummy layout, heh |
| 15:18.11 | p3lim | boshi: the 3rd return |
| 15:18.24 | p3lim | CF? |
| 15:18.30 | p3lim | nm |
| 15:18.39 | boshi | so as a rogue, I could get the texture for mage:arcane missles ? |
| 15:18.58 | zenzelezz | as long as you know the spell ID |
| 15:19.03 | ShaneSveller | actually, i meant beta-ace, i had curseforge up in a different window |
| 15:20.37 | p3lim | boshi: yes |
| 15:22.33 | p3lim | boshi: you want it as a macro texture for #show? |
| 15:22.44 | p3lim | spell:XXXXX |
| 15:22.48 | p3lim | where xxxxx is the spell ID |
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| 15:23.39 | foxlit | p3lim: did you test whether that works, or is that an extrapolation based on item:id ? |
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| 15:24.15 | boshi | rewriting code now to use spellid, not name |
| 15:24.55 | p3lim | foxlit: was a guess, cant remember how macros works. ill check though |
| 15:25.10 | boshi | excellent, it work. Thanks p3lim, zenzelezz |
| 15:25.14 | boshi | works* |
| 15:25.23 | p3lim | yw :) |
| 15:26.08 | ulikemysong | (still for my new minmap frame) should i use the MiniMapTracking_Update function ? if yes is there anwhere i can look to know how use it ? |
| 15:26.34 | p3lim | ulikemysong: what do you want with that function? |
| 15:27.18 | ulikemysong | well the same as minimap does, just having the texture moving on minimap when i move my char |
| 15:28.24 | ulikemysong | when reading the minimap.lua its seems the closiest function that do what i wanna do :P |
| 15:28.47 | p3lim | what do you mean by moving the texture as your char moves? |
| 15:29.22 | ulikemysong | well the image displayed in minimap changes when u move on the world |
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| 15:30.10 | ulikemysong | it updates with onupdate probably (btw im noob just beginning trying create addons) |
| 15:31.01 | Seerah | are you creating a new minimap from scratch? |
| 15:31.10 | Neuro_Medivh | you should leave writing addons to the professionals... |
| 15:31.14 | Neuro_Medivh | then again, so should we! |
| 15:31.16 | ulikemysong | scratch ? |
| 15:31.30 | Seerah | from the ground up - not modifying the original |
| 15:31.45 | Neuro_Medivh | Seerah, is that even possible? |
| 15:32.21 | Seerah | dunno - just... that's the only reason why he would need to control the minimap that way |
| 15:33.14 | ulikemysong | yes i just want to have a new minimap same as original but not round |
| 15:33.33 | ulikemysong | as in basicminimap mod |
| 15:33.39 | Seerah | all you have to do is modify the original minimap |
| 15:33.57 | Seerah | I have never seen a minimap mod that tried to create a brand new minimap |
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| 15:34.22 | ulikemysong | well i could but i wanna add a second one tbh |
| 15:34.24 | Seerah | well... unless you count something like Carbonite |
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| 15:35.51 | p3lim | Seerah: Im sure the 3D world is embedded in the minimap, making it unable to write a all-new one without having custom textures (alike Carb) |
| 15:36.07 | Seerah | but you can't look at the Carbonite Quest code, as it's under copyright and ... what's the word I'm looking for... encoded |
| 15:36.30 | p3lim | encoded lua? |
| 15:36.36 | Lopeppeppy | There's another word... um.... |
| 15:36.38 | Legorolo | you mean obfuscated? |
| 15:36.40 | Seerah | my brain's not working |
| 15:36.42 | Lopeppeppy | YES! |
| 15:36.45 | Seerah | thanks peppe :) |
| 15:36.49 | Seerah | *peppy |
| 15:37.04 | Seerah | and Legorolo is the one that actually said it |
| 15:37.05 | p3lim | wth does that word mean ?:p |
| 15:37.07 | Seerah | I need more sleep :( |
| 15:37.16 | Seerah | it means you can't read it :) |
| 15:37.18 | Legorolo | p3lim: it derives from "obscure" |
| 15:37.25 | Legorolo | i think |
| 15:37.25 | Lopeppeppy | Obfuscated = deliberately obscure |
| 15:37.27 | Neuro_Medivh | if means they wrote the code to be deliberately hard to read |
| 15:37.27 | ulikemysong | so you mean add a second minimap in a mod is not possible ? |
| 15:37.48 | p3lim | possible, but far from easy |
| 15:37.55 | ulikemysong | hum |
| 15:37.56 | Legorolo | As far as I know, reverse engineering obfuscated code is not technically breaking copyright laws (or is a very grey area) |
| 15:38.24 | Neuro_Medivh | actually, it probably is possible, you'd just copy the entire minimap.xml and minimap.lua into a new addon and change the names |
| 15:38.41 | Legorolo | As long as you do the reverse engineering solely for the purpose of understanding how it works, and you don't use the unobfuscated code for anything (for example you don't distribute it or create derivative works), you are in the clear I think |
| 15:38.53 | p3lim | oh god, what has that man done to the code |
| 15:39.11 | Neuro_Medivh | and your addon should call the same functions as the true minimap |
| 15:39.20 | ZorbaTHut | lego, I believe that's true only if the DMCA doesn't apply |
| 15:39.24 | Seerah | according to WoWProgramming... "The game only supports one minimap object at a time; attempts to create a new one will cause the old one to stop working." |
| 15:39.30 | ZorbaTHut | it is generally questionable whether the DMCA applies to anything or not, though |
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| 15:39.33 | Neuro_Medivh | ah |
| 15:39.34 | nevcairiel | Neuro_Medivh: AFAIK, its not possible to create a second Minimap-type frame |
| 15:39.42 | nevcairiel | ah damn Seerah was faster |
| 15:39.45 | Neuro_Medivh | nev: I really didn't think it was |
| 15:39.45 | Legorolo | ZorbaTHut: I think that DMCA doesn't apply as obfuscation isn't a valid technological measure to deny access |
| 15:40.00 | p3lim | how did he do that? |
| 15:40.01 | ZorbaTHut | "valid" isn't actually ever defined though |
| 15:40.12 | Legorolo | Most of the DMCA is centered around technological measures preventing access. You do have access to the full code. |
| 15:40.16 | ZorbaTHut | with a loose definition, doing anything that might bypass a copyright protection system is banned |
| 15:40.25 | ulikemysong | well well i guess i will have to use only one >:< |
| 15:40.30 | p3lim | the XML is still readable tho |
| 15:40.30 | nevcairiel | The Minimap isnt really controleld from Lua, its just a frame that the engine renders the textures on |
| 15:40.34 | ZorbaTHut | seriously, if holding down a shift key is a DMCA violation, de-obfuscating code definitely is ;) |
| 15:40.49 | nevcairiel | thats why you cant create a second one |
| 15:41.08 | Neuro_Medivh | nev: so even if you made a new minimap, the engine wouldn't render textures to it because it only does so to the 'correctly named' one? |
| 15:41.29 | nevcairiel | I think it renders them on the first Minimap-type frame it finds |
| 15:41.32 | nevcairiel | so one of yours will work |
| 15:41.33 | nevcairiel | not both |
| 15:41.35 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 15:41.55 | Neuro_Medivh | well, not my addon, ulike was making one =) |
| 15:42.32 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, so how does carbonite do it? repackage the World of Warcraft textures? |
| 15:42.47 | nevcairiel | Ya it renders the textures itself |
| 15:43.17 | ulikemysong | yeah tbh i basically wanna do what BasicMinimap does with adding some options that may need addon syncronization |
| 15:43.30 | Seerah | like what? |
| 15:43.51 | ZorbaTHut | I have to admit I kind of like the idea of completely obsoleting Carbonite, I already do some more interesting things than it does :D |
| 15:44.17 | Seerah | you mean synchronize with other users of the same addon, ulikemysong? what did you want your minimap to do? |
| 15:44.20 | Neuro_Medivh | what's so special about carbonite that Tourguide can't do? |
| 15:44.29 | ZorbaTHut | neuro, the map's pretty |
| 15:44.32 | ulikemysong | well my project is to may be able to change colors of each character in the raid displayed on minimap and be able to stick flags on minimap |
| 15:44.39 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 15:44.53 | p3lim | how did he encode that? :S |
| 15:45.05 | Seerah | p3lim: there's a program for it, iirc |
| 15:45.25 | p3lim | how would WoW read it properly tho? |
| 15:46.10 | Seerah | I forget... but it works :P |
| 15:46.15 | ulikemysong | wanna call that raidlogic or raidlogistic |
| 15:46.44 | ZorbaTHut | p3lim, it's a bit binary blob of data. the decoding logic is at the end, and that decodes it into text, which can be fed directly back into the lua interpreter |
| 15:46.49 | ZorbaTHut | *big binary blob |
| 15:46.57 | ulikemysong | went to that project bored to see raidleaders always need to ping the minimap to tell people their placement |
| 15:47.36 | Legorolo | or use smoke flares :) which is what i do |
| 15:47.44 | ulikemysong | so if u can stick flags with colors on minimap and assign same colors to people it will be much easier |
| 15:47.46 | Legorolo | red, green, purple, white, covers all the needs |
| 15:47.49 | Lopeppeppy | We use tons of smoke flares, they're awesome. |
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| 15:48.03 | Lopeppeppy | Pinging the minimap doesn't work well for people who don't use their map. :) |
| 15:48.22 | Legorolo | I find that in practice people who are topographically challenged have trouble correlating minimap ping locations with game world locations |
| 15:48.28 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 15:48.30 | Lopeppeppy | That too. |
| 15:48.44 | ulikemysong | what are smoke flares ? |
| 15:48.44 | Lopeppeppy | But even the most geographically challenged can go stand on the purple smoke flare. |
| 15:48.57 | Legorolo | ulikemysong: zomg, you don't know what smoke flares are? :O |
| 15:49.09 | Legorolo | They are engineering crafted (and sometimes vendor purchased) one-time use objects. |
| 15:49.10 | ulikemysong | sorry english is not my own language |
| 15:49.14 | cbreak | I wrote an addon where raid leaders can draw sketches for positioning |
| 15:49.20 | Legorolo | When you launch one, it leaves a coloured column of smoke in a single spot |
| 15:49.26 | Legorolo | very pretty and well noticable from a long distance |
| 15:49.27 | Lopeppeppy | They come in tons of colors, but here. http://thottbot.com/i25886 |
| 15:49.29 | ulikemysong | oh |
| 15:49.31 | ulikemysong | right |
| 15:49.40 | Legorolo | basically like planting a coloured flag on the ground |
| 15:49.45 | Legorolo | you can place it whereever you want |
| 15:50.02 | ulikemysong | yeah but it doesnt displays on minimap |
| 15:50.12 | Legorolo | no it doesn't, but it doesn't have to ^^ |
| 15:50.20 | Legorolo | the whole point is that people can see it in the game world, so they see where to go |
| 15:51.03 | ulikemysong | yeah thats true but you cant ever luach your flare on every spot |
| 15:51.10 | ulikemysong | launch |
| 15:51.13 | Legorolo | that's true |
| 15:51.14 | Seerah | as Lopeppeppy said, some people don't even use their minimaps - they close ti |
| 15:51.16 | Seerah | *it |
| 15:51.48 | Lopeppeppy | You can launch them a good ways, and tell them 3 feet forward, etc.... they're much more permanent in the game world. Worked wonders for Vashj setup |
| 15:51.55 | cbreak | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8162-ArtPad.html (in case you care :) |
| 15:52.12 | Gnarfoz | Doodle :> |
| 15:52.15 | Seerah | nev had one, too, don't you nevcairel? |
| 15:52.21 | Seerah | yeah |
| 15:52.29 | ulikemysong | i care cbreak thx |
| 15:53.25 | nevcairiel | What do i have? |
| 15:53.25 | Legorolo | Lopeppeppy: and for Vashj, you can run around before the pull planting the flares |
| 15:53.47 | Legorolo | Did I mention yet that my guild is finally trying Vashj? |
| 15:54.31 | cbreak | Doodle, interesting. |
| 15:54.32 | ulikemysong | cbreak: thats seems be a great mod but still no options on minimap... well its quite better indeed but as i think such mod doesnt exist i would like to create one |
| 15:55.10 | Legorolo | ulikemysong: that's sacrilege! You are not allowed to create a mod to do something that you want ;-) |
| 15:55.24 | ulikemysong | what ? |
| 15:55.37 | ulikemysong | :S |
| 15:55.37 | Seerah | he's joking :) |
| 15:55.44 | Legorolo | That goes against the whole concept of modding! Only mods people are ever allowed to make are ones that they don't want, nor does anyone else |
| 15:55.46 | ulikemysong | kk sry if im slow :P |
| 15:55.55 | Legorolo | Nah my bad, my humour can be... weird |
| 15:56.01 | ulikemysong | lol |
| 15:56.05 | Legorolo | and you said you are not a native speaker so i should make allowances for that |
| 15:56.17 | ulikemysong | ;) |
| 15:56.39 | ulikemysong | btw its the occasion to learn creating mods |
| 15:56.51 | Legorolo | furthermore, i should make allowances for me not being a native speaker as well |
| 15:56.51 | ShaneSveller | p3lim: is there any special function call to enable the tags on SetText stuff? |
| 15:58.14 | ShaneSveller | p3lim: ah, i think i found it: self.TaggedStrings = {whatever} |
| 16:02.13 | p3lim | brb dinner |
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| 16:02.41 | p3lim | and yeah, thats the call |
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| 16:15.18 | Fisker- | !gl How to use TortoiseSVN over SSH in 312 easy steps |
| 16:15.19 | batbot | Fisker-: CVS FAQ - Ximbiot - CVS Wiki <http://ximbiot.com/cvs/wiki/CVS%20FAQ> |
| 16:15.21 | Fisker- | >:E |
| 16:15.25 | Fisker- | you fail |
| 16:22.31 | zenzelezz | use TortoiseSVN over SSH? Differently from svn+ssh://...? |
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| 16:26.02 | Lopeppeppy | *sigh* Recalls on some Cadbury chocolates produced in China. |
| 16:26.45 | foxlit | "It's a completely voluntary action that we are taking in the interests of consumer health," Cadbury spokesman Daniel Ellis said last night. |
| 16:27.02 | foxlit | "We don't really have to do this, but we'd prefer our customers to.. er.. not die?" |
| 16:29.24 | Lopeppeppy | Precious chocolate being wasted due to human is stoopid. |
| 16:29.36 | foxlit | Chocolate is precious? :) |
| 16:31.05 | Lopeppeppy | Foxlit! |
| 16:31.06 | ShaneSveller | to many with ovaries and to many without as well |
| 16:31.10 | Lopeppeppy | ~poke foxlit |
| 16:31.10 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind foxlit, pokes foxlit repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 16:31.32 | foxlit | peppy! |
| 16:31.37 | foxlit | ~poke Lopeppeppy |
| 16:31.38 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Lopeppeppy, pokes Lopeppeppy repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 16:33.35 | Kirkburn | More about the Cadbury news - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7641317.stm |
| 16:33.44 | foxlit | "On this faithful recommendations,we want you to know that during the last U.N. meetings held in Uk,London, it was alarmed so much by the world in the meeting on the loss of funds by various individuals to the scam artists operating in syndicates all over the world today. In other to compensate victims, the U.N body is now paying 300 victims of this operators $2.500,000.00 each in accordance with the U.N. recommendations." |
| 16:35.55 | Lunessa | You get the best spam. |
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| 16:54.03 | Shirik | wheee |
| 16:54.05 | Shirik | chicken teriyaki day at school |
| 16:54.17 | Shirik | what a nice way to come back |
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| 16:55.19 | cladhaire | ah much better |
| 16:55.19 | inviso | Shirik: I hate you a little bit. We probably get mac and cheese :( |
| 16:55.26 | Shirik | :( |
| 16:55.34 | Shirik | if it makes you feel any better, the rice is undercooked |
| 16:55.58 | inviso | much better, ty |
| 17:01.20 | Shirik | oh btw, inviso |
| 17:01.36 | Shirik | we have a chick-fil-a and freshens and starbucks here now |
| 17:01.38 | Dashkal | <3 Tigole |
| 17:02.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: wtb a chick-fil-a at my campus :( |
| 17:02.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I have one... at the other end of the lightrail |
| 17:02.22 | Shirik | it's kinda awesome, but they don't have milk shakes :( |
| 17:02.25 | ScytheBlade1 | ... 51 minutes away ... |
| 17:02.26 | ScytheBlade1 | BOO |
| 17:02.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Still their chicken is good |
| 17:02.42 | ScytheBlade1 | But wtb milkshakes |
| 17:02.48 | Shirik | agree |
| 17:02.50 | inviso | Shirik: you are cold :( |
| 17:03.18 | Shirik | :D |
| 17:04.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I actually grabbed a cookies and cream milkshake a few days ago for the ride up |
| 17:04.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I must admit, relaxing on a lightrail train with a large milkshake is a pretty good way to start the day |
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| 17:05.44 | Shirik | wtf |
| 17:05.48 | Shirik | apparently we have a chili's too |
| 17:05.49 | Shirik | I didn't know that |
| 17:05.51 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:06.03 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, you fail as someone who eats |
| 17:06.16 | Shirik | Just got a spam from DB Communications (our school 'announcements' box) saying "It's Chili's Day!!!! Eat there TODAY and 100% of the profits go to the kids of St. Jude!!!!" |
| 17:07.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, that's a nationwide thing they're doing |
| 17:12.06 | Lunessa | I like St. Jude's. However, in my current state, I can't afford to eat at chilli's for lunch. :P |
| 17:12.47 | Shirik | ah I see ScytheBlade1 |
| 17:13.16 | Shirik | I love my project lead |
| 17:13.22 | Shirik | I send him this huge email about concerns, etc. |
| 17:13.32 | Shirik | He sends me a one-line response followed by "Sent from my iPhone. - Jason" |
| 17:13.38 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:13.56 | Shirik | Meeting Monday 2 pm @ cs coference room, you are the controls team |
| 17:13.57 | Shirik | leader |
| 17:13.57 | Shirik | Sent from my iPhone |
| 17:13.59 | Shirik | that's it >< |
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| 17:15.45 | Lunessa | apartment hunting sucks. |
| 17:16.20 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.20 | Shirik | I love my apartment |
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| 17:16.27 | Anaral | Grr. Firefox 3 keeps crashing everytime I try to login to Paypal. |
| 17:16.29 | Shirik | you can come live with me Lunessa :D |
| 17:16.50 | Lunessa | I think the commute to work would suck. :P 'sides, I'm not your type. |
| 17:17.30 | Shirik | what is a .source file? |
| 17:17.41 | Shirik | is that something from wau? |
| 17:17.53 | haste | it's the source! |
| 17:18.03 | Shirik | Lunessa: I do have to admit sharing a bed with you would be a bit strange |
| 17:18.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Speaking of wau, when is it dying on us? |
| 17:18.22 | Lunessa | Told you, not your type. Totally wrong plumbing. :P |
| 17:18.31 | Shirik | very much so |
| 17:18.36 | Thunder_Child | but it works for so many people now..... |
| 17:19.07 | Shirik | ok, I have a problem here |
| 17:19.21 | Shirik | Someone uploaded an addon to minimalistic compilations category |
| 17:19.35 | Shirik | I'm like "ok" and I run a quick virus check on it like I usually do before I tear any of the rest of it apart |
| 17:19.46 | Shirik | and I see this line: Data scanned: 82.84 MB |
| 17:19.49 | haste | haha |
| 17:19.55 | alestane | In a minimalistic compilation? |
| 17:20.00 | Shirik | yes >.> |
| 17:20.27 | kd3 | the hell? |
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| 17:21.20 | Dashkal | Probably has auctioneer data or some such |
| 17:21.22 | haste | Shirik: that's twice the size of my interface folder, and it's all under git + git repos for several addons there again :P |
| 17:21.40 | Shirik | it's more than the memory usage of my interface |
| 17:21.47 | Shirik | and I have a very much full auctioneer database |
| 17:21.47 | haste | that too |
| 17:22.00 | haste | but file size doesn't really represent memory usage :P |
| 17:22.04 | cbreak | my addons are between 5kb and 15kb each |
| 17:22.05 | Shirik | and no it has no auctioneer data |
| 17:22.07 | Shirik | but I do like this |
| 17:22.16 | Shirik | ALERT: Potentially hazardous file: Vajatwo/Interface/AddOns/BigWigs/bigwigslod.bat - 666 b |
| 17:22.18 | Shirik | That's awesome |
| 17:22.22 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:22.27 | haste | :D |
| 17:22.42 | Shirik | That was so intentional, you know it |
| 17:22.43 | Shirik | I'd do it |
| 17:22.46 | Dashkal | nice |
| 17:22.56 | Funkeh` | I fucked you all over |
| 17:23.00 | Funkeh` | thanks for the passwords |
| 17:23.18 | Shirik | the devil has them too now |
| 17:23.23 | Shirik | he owns your soul AND your wow account |
| 17:23.33 | Funkeh` | same thing |
| 17:23.34 | Shirik | he wanted to steal soulstones I guess |
| 17:23.46 | Shirik | you should be able to dispel soulstone |
| 17:23.58 | Shirik | or spellsteal |
| 17:24.26 | Funkeh` | So did he modify it? |
| 17:24.31 | cbreak | if I spellsteal his soulstone, and die, will I rez as him or me? |
| 17:24.40 | Shirik | no Funkeh`, I just thought it was amusing about the 666 |
| 17:24.52 | Funkeh` | oki |
| 17:25.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: how big is the compressed archive? |
| 17:25.28 | Shirik | 17.5MB |
| 17:25.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Bit big |
| 17:26.12 | Shirik | especially because that implies that the majority of the data is textual |
| 17:26.17 | Shirik | because it compressed well |
| 17:26.19 | Shirik | not binaries |
| 17:26.45 | Funkeh` | shiny.exe? |
| 17:26.51 | Shirik | I was more referring to images, etc. |
| 17:26.55 | Shirik | there's no exes :P |
| 17:27.04 | Shirik | there are a ton of files though |
| 17:27.12 | Shirik | time for unix to do its magic |
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| 17:27.32 | Shane|afk | gogo du? |
| 17:29.23 | Shirik | oi |
| 17:29.25 | Shirik | $ cat /cygdrive/c/Users/mpdelbuono/peekaboo.txt | wc -l |
| 17:29.26 | Shirik | 6773 |
| 17:29.29 | Shirik | That's how many files are in there :/ |
| 17:30.09 | Shane|afk | wowie |
| 17:31.41 | Josh_Borke | http://notalwaysright.com/when-mood-swings-attack-part-2/522 is hilarious |
| 17:31.56 | ShaneSveller | what is it with the wow dev channels and that website? srsly? |
| 17:32.08 | ShaneSveller | it's good an' all, i won't argue that |
| 17:32.15 | Josh_Borke | hey, you can't associate me with any dev channels |
| 17:32.19 | Josh_Borke | i haven't worked on a mod in months |
| 17:32.36 | Josh_Borke | and i only found this site because someone posted it here recently |
| 17:32.41 | Josh_Borke | and i'm procrastinating at work |
| 17:33.03 | Shirik | wtf |
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| 17:33.30 | ShaneSveller | Josh_Borke: comic version is even better |
| 17:33.31 | kd3 | now wachovia too? |
| 17:33.44 | Josh_Borke | ShaneSveller: yea, i know |
| 17:33.47 | Josh_Borke | for those too lazy to read the first one: http://albireo.livejournal.com/284213.html |
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| 17:33.57 | Josh_Borke | kd3: yea, kinda freaky |
| 17:34.00 | Shirik | yes, the comic that goes with that is awesome |
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| 17:36.18 | p3lim | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.25 | ScytheBlade1 | UNIT_AFK iirc |
| 17:36.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Check the wiki |
| 17:36.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Or did they just give us a function a long while ago? |
| 17:36.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't remember |
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| 17:37.35 | p3lim | PLAYER_FLAGS_CHANGED |
| 17:37.45 | p3lim | wth is it with all this damn irc flooding today? |
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| 17:37.49 | p3lim | 4th time its happened now |
| 17:38.08 | Shirik | IRC flooding? |
| 17:38.12 | p3lim | yeah |
| 17:38.23 | p3lim | 4th time today i get an army of bots spamming me |
| 17:38.27 | ShaneSveller | p3lim: me too |
| 17:38.29 | Shirik | oh |
| 17:38.32 | ShaneSveller | all from same IP |
| 17:38.55 | Shirik | I think he's mad that shiibot is winning against him :D |
| 17:39.15 | Shirik | except for the join/part thing, but I think that's since been fixed too. I haven't bothered to try to release the lock on this channel yet |
| 17:39.39 | Shirik | p3lim, you can always go +e |
| 17:39.48 | Shirik | (and ShaneSveller) |
| 17:40.15 | Shirik | sorry, +E not +e |
| 17:40.23 | ShaneSveller | Shirik: i can surmise what that does, but any idea how to do so on Colloquoy? |
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| 17:40.34 | Shirik | either /mode ShaneSveller +E or /umode +E |
| 17:40.39 | kd3 | oh wow. some poor guy got baron's mount to drop on the PTR |
| 17:40.46 | p3lim | whats that Shirik? |
| 17:40.54 | nevcairiel | lol kd3, thats sad |
| 17:40.55 | Shirik | Block private messages from unregistered |
| 17:40.59 | p3lim | oh |
| 17:41.00 | p3lim | nice |
| 17:41.03 | kneeki | kd3: I'm farming that now =\ |
| 17:41.15 | p3lim | thanks for that one Shirik |
| 17:41.21 | Shirik | np |
| 17:44.10 | ShaneSveller | here's another monster of a "minimalist" compilation: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10926-GreystoneUI.html 28MB archived! |
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| 17:45.38 | p3lim | is that enabled by default now Shirik ? |
| 17:45.46 | Shirik | what, +E? |
| 17:46.31 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 17:46.39 | ScytheBlade1 | You have to run it every time you login, iirc |
| 17:46.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Err, connect |
| 17:46.47 | Josh_Borke | mine sets me +e all the time |
| 17:46.52 | Josh_Borke | i think it's a nickserv setting |
| 17:46.55 | Shirik | Freenode won't enforce it as a new default. Your client might |
| 17:47.35 | Josh_Borke | try /msg nickserv help set |
| 17:47.44 | Shirik | yeah I was flying through all the ns help screens just now :) |
| 17:48.26 | Seerah | ShaneSveller: minimalistic doesn't only mean memory usage |
| 17:48.51 | ShaneSveller | Seerah: meaning the visual style, then? |
| 17:48.56 | Seerah | yes |
| 17:49.02 | Shirik | anyway, I have to get to this meeting |
| 17:49.04 | Shirik | have fun |
| 17:49.07 | Shirik | Seerah's here now |
| 17:49.10 | Shirik | she will save you! |
| 17:49.20 | Seerah | save them from what??? |
| 17:49.39 | Seerah | I'm just a gnome - they can't all hide behind me... :( |
| 17:50.47 | Seerah | :P |
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| 17:57.50 | cbreak | fun, someone /msg spammed me |
| 17:58.16 | nevcairiel | that seems to be "in" today |
| 17:58.22 | Josh_Borke | you guys are weird |
| 17:58.28 | Josh_Borke | who doesn't use the +e account setting? |
| 17:58.32 | Josh_Borke | it's like, the best thing ever |
| 17:58.35 | smcn | LOL someone got baron's mount on ptr http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/10529927979-deathchargers-reigns-drop-on-ptr.html |
| 17:58.49 | Josh_Borke | do you really want to talk to someone who can't figure out how to register a nickname? |
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| 18:03.19 | NeoTron | nope |
| 18:04.13 | NightHawkTheSan1 | smcn: man, sucks to be them |
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| 18:17.48 | ScytheBlade1 | What commonly runs on 1026/udp? |
| 18:18.16 | ShaneSveller | "calendar access protocol"? |
| 18:18.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Seeing dropped packets with it |
| 18:18.39 | ShaneSveller | outbound or inbound? |
| 18:18.43 | ScytheBlade1 | OH, ha |
| 18:18.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Inbound |
| 18:18.48 | ShaneSveller | ScytheBlade1: http://www.linklogger.com/UDP1026.htm |
| 18:18.55 | ScytheBlade1 | It's that stupid Windows Messenger Service spam |
| 18:18.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Back before XPSP2 |
| 18:18.58 | ShaneSveller | yeah |
| 18:19.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Kinda amazing that crap is still around |
| 18:19.38 | Fisker- | Just like blaster |
| 18:19.56 | Fisker- | I once had a pre-sp1 disc, not thinking that blaster would be much of a problem |
| 18:20.03 | Fisker- | i was logged in for seconds and i had blaster |
| 18:20.19 | ScytheBlade1 | The internet is a scary place, watching my firewall "dropped packets" log now |
| 18:20.43 | ScytheBlade1 | seeing messenger popup spam, :445/:135 accesses, and an IRC bot that exploits symantac AV |
| 18:20.47 | ScytheBlade1 | All in about five minutes |
| 18:20.48 | Fisker- | just a shame |
| 18:20.51 | Fisker- | there was a scene group |
| 18:21.06 | Fisker- | They slipstreamed the newest fixes and released them on the internet |
| 18:21.14 | ScytheBlade1 | lol I remember that |
| 18:21.16 | Fisker- | Downloaded those every month so i had the latest |
| 18:21.22 | Fisker- | But they seem to have stopped that now :( |
| 18:21.23 | ScytheBlade1 | They used blaster to distribute a blaster fix |
| 18:21.32 | Fisker- | nah not that :P |
| 18:21.37 | Fisker- | But that was funny as well :P |
| 18:21.41 | ScytheBlade1 | That was ingenious |
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| 18:24.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap, the bailout failed |
| 18:24.38 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.cnn.com/ <-- awesome picture |
| 18:25.00 | ShaneSveller | man, everytime i need a laugh just look at bluetracker and see all the idiots "zomg why r u deleting my posts about lolcats and pr0n and my first post asking why you deleted other posts?" |
| 18:25.19 | NeoTron | ScytheBlade1: ./facepalm |
| 18:25.38 | ScytheBlade1 | NeoTron: literallly |
| 18:26.22 | Tornhoof | antacids? |
| 18:26.41 | smcn | i guess it wasn't a wise idea to throw out my camping equipment the last time i moved |
| 18:27.42 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 18:27.44 | ScytheBlade1 | http://ichart.finance.yahoo.com/instrument/1.0/%5EDJI/chart;range=1d/image;size=239x110 |
| 18:27.57 | NightHawkTheSan1 | ScytheBlade1: that's.. bad.. but i still can't help thinking that we're driving this train right into another wreck. |
| 18:28.03 | ShaneSveller | if i want a lib to sync with other players for incoming heals, do i want healcomm or incominghealslib? for purposes of an oUF layout |
| 18:28.15 | ccox | NightHawkTheSan1: agreed |
| 18:30.49 | smcn | i wish there was a way to flag yourself anti-wintergrasp :( |
| 18:31.21 | NightHawkTheSan1 | you mean so you could fly across it without diverting completely out of your way? >< |
| 18:31.23 | Dashkal | smcn: murr? Just avoid the zone? |
| 18:31.27 | Dashkal | ahh that |
| 18:31.40 | Dashkal | I haven't found that zone all that hard to avoid... |
| 18:31.45 | smcn | bc gave me the habit of setting a waypoint & afk flying |
| 18:31.52 | NightHawkTheSan1 | ^^ |
| 18:32.04 | smcn | especially with the dailies spread out all over the place |
| 18:32.21 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Fortunately, most of my destinations currently tend not to cross the zone, but it's still annoying |
| 18:32.33 | Dashkal | True. I decided not to bother with the Sholazar dailies. The rewards are of lower quality and the mechanic is a bit of a pain. |
| 18:33.38 | kd3 | meh, I broke the zone. I dropped the quest to kill the elite and I can't pick it back up |
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| 18:33.45 | kd3 | need to see if they've fixed that |
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| 18:34.25 | NightHawkTheSan1 | last i checked i think i was stuck on a quest to kill some frenzyheart because i couldn't declare war on them.. |
| 18:34.28 | smcn | i love questing for the frenzyheart :D |
| 18:35.01 | Dashkal | That quest was very poorly designed. It's a group quest that causes you to pick one side or the other. And you get no warning that it's comming. So whoever figures it out first decides for the team which way to go. |
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| 18:35.50 | Dashkal | And if you refuse to pick it just breaks the chain entirely (this was as of about 3 patches back) |
| 18:36.23 | smcn | what do you mean? |
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| 18:39.30 | Dashkal | woot, the mechanic I mentioned is gone *cheers* nevermind me :p |
| 18:39.36 | smcn | does linking a profession show your mats or the mats on the person who clicks it? |
| 18:39.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 18:39.48 | smcn | thanks sbo! |
| 18:39.49 | smcn | ;P |
| 18:40.57 | smcn | is it safe to assume that's yes to the first part of the question? |
| 18:41.36 | Josh_Borke | no |
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| 18:46.55 | Lunessa | It doesn't show inventory items. |
| 18:47.35 | Esine | since when can paladins disspell benefical buffs? |
| 18:48.22 | g0urra | never afaik |
| 18:48.35 | Esine | well that seemed to happen just right now |
| 18:48.40 | Esine | or, can warlocks? |
| 18:48.47 | Lopeppeppy | What buff, specifically? |
| 18:48.47 | g0urra | felhunter |
| 18:48.58 | Esine | no the lock had void |
| 18:49.05 | g0urra | level? |
| 18:49.09 | Esine | like 45 |
| 18:49.18 | g0urra | What buff? |
| 18:49.22 | Esine | leveling a magic user the first time |
| 18:49.24 | Esine | Arena Grand Master |
| 18:49.49 | g0urra | "Use: Absorbs 750 to 1250 damage. Lasts 20 sec." |
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| 18:50.04 | Esine | it lasted more like 3 sec and he didnt do that much dmg for user |
| 18:50.05 | Esine | sure |
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| 18:50.42 | Esine | ah |
| 18:50.48 | smcn | my interweb is failing |
| 18:50.53 | Esine | hm. I don't know :[ |
| 18:51.33 | g0urra | name/server? could do with his spec |
| 18:51.36 | Lopeppeppy | 750 isn't all that much, if he gets a crit. |
| 18:51.40 | g0urra | I don't know enough about warlocks :p |
| 18:52.04 | Esine | Rubella at Grim Batol EU is the loladin |
| 18:52.36 | Esine | and.. the warlock is Maskara |
| 18:53.14 | g0urra | a level 22 'lock? |
| 18:53.21 | Esine | uhm no a lvl 45 |
| 18:53.30 | Esine | http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Grim+Batol&n=maskara |
| 18:53.33 | Esine | http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Grim+Batol&n=rubella |
| 18:53.56 | Lopeppeppy | I'm more willing to think they did 750 points and the buff just wore out. |
| 18:54.00 | g0urra | odd, he didn't show up for me.. |
| 18:54.21 | Esine | Lopeppeppy, in less than 4 seconds? no way. I use AGM many times a day and no one dmg that fast at these levels |
| 18:54.26 | Esine | and it didn't show up at the combat log |
| 18:54.31 | Esine | only that Aura of Protection faded |
| 18:54.46 | Esine | +does |
| 18:54.57 | Neuro_Medivh | wow... Inscription is an insanely easy tradeskill to level, especially compared to something like Enchanting |
| 18:55.19 | ShaneSveller | Neuro_Medivh: wait till the mats required are more realistically diverse |
| 18:55.28 | ShaneSveller | speaking of, did they put in those glyph vendors yet? |
| 18:55.36 | NightHawkTheSan1 | no |
| 18:55.47 | Esine | Neuro_Medivh, what mats does inscription require? I had better start gathering a lot of that stuff and sell for insane profit later |
| 18:55.53 | g0urra | Herbs |
| 18:55.53 | NeoTron | Esine: herbs |
| 18:55.57 | Esine | ah |
| 18:56.03 | Neuro_Medivh | Esine, it's herbs, but its massively easier than alchemy |
| 18:56.13 | g0urra | The stuff that you can sell for insane profit right now too.. |
| 18:56.29 | Neuro_Medivh | cause in alchemy, you're usually blocked by specific herbs, like goldthorn, briarthorn, etc |
| 18:56.32 | NightHawkTheSan1 | what makes it mostly easier than alchemy is that you don't need specifi cherbs :P |
| 18:56.47 | ShaneSveller | just any from a certain tier |
| 18:56.51 | Industrial | :O |
| 18:56.52 | Esine | oh. |
| 18:56.53 | Industrial | nice |
| 18:56.54 | kneeki | I've been gathering herbs like nuts on my Paladin for inscription =p |
| 18:56.55 | ShaneSveller | so the cheapest are usually best for the scribe |
| 18:57.11 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, inscription is great for the dogshit herbs you never use, like wild steelbloom or kingsblood |
| 18:57.19 | NightHawkTheSan1 | although, at least on my realm, all herb prices have spiked. |
| 18:57.26 | ShaneSveller | w00t, they'll finally be worth the effort of mailing them to my mule |
| 18:57.29 | NightHawkTheSan1 | blindweed, imo :p |
| 18:57.56 | ccox | man, the economy is even weighing heavy in WoW trade chat |
| 18:58.13 | Neuro_Medivh | the house just voted down the bailout bill |
| 18:58.16 | ccox | yeah |
| 18:58.40 | kd3 | talk about the shot heard 'round the world... think everyone heard about that pretty quickly and the subsequent stock market dive |
| 18:58.45 | smcn | has anyone made a joke about wanting a 700 billion gold bailout from blizzard yet? if not, consider it made |
| 18:58.46 | ccox | but the trade chat I'm seeing is NOT kind to conservative politicians |
| 18:58.57 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Neuro_Medivh: way to be 10 minutes late :p |
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| 18:59.32 | ccox | scroll back to 11:24, we were on it |
| 18:59.42 | Neuro_Medivh | apparently, most of the public dislikes bailing out wall street, so the house voted it down |
| 19:00.39 | Neuro_Medivh | according to cnn reports, most of the nay votes were from congresspeople who were scared of elections in 5 weeks |
| 19:00.50 | Neuro_Medivh | and not because they thought it was a bad idea |
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| 19:01.41 | NightHawkTheSan1 | on the one hand.. god forbid that politicians act in the service of their constituents... on the other.. sadly most people are idiots, and really don't know what they want/need. |
| 19:02.33 | Lunessa | Sadly, people are afraid to let free markets work, and think that taking money from other people to pay the bill is usually a good idea. |
| 19:03.34 | Lunessa | Oh hai! I r ur grnmnt. Gunz, I haz dem. Gimme ur moniez so I can pay for stuffs. kthxbai. |
| 19:03.35 | ccox | NightHawkTheSan1: that's going a bit far |
| 19:03.52 | ccox | NightHawkTheSan1: most people may not fully understand what they need, but they're not idiots |
| 19:04.33 | ccox | Lunessa: this mess is a result of letting the market run free |
| 19:04.39 | Lunessa | No, it's not. |
| 19:04.43 | NightHawkTheSan1 | ccox: *shrug* hyperbole sure. But I still really don't think that most people understand the economic situation enough to make intelligent decisions about what course of action to take right nwo. |
| 19:04.56 | ccox | NightHawkTheSan1: true |
| 19:05.02 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawkTheSan1: Representatives are supposed to vote in their constituents best interest, NOT neccessarily how their constituents want |
| 19:05.12 | Lunessa | If it was really that, then we'd be letting companies fail. |
| 19:05.19 | ccox | Lunessa: this is a pretty direct result of reduction in regulation |
| 19:05.23 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Neuro_Medivh: that's more or less the crux of my original statement. :P |
| 19:05.30 | ccox | Lunessa: if we let them fail, the whole economy goes down |
| 19:05.35 | NightHawkTheSan1 | the two are sometimes at odds |
| 19:05.36 | Lunessa | And we wouldn't have been handing out pots of cash to people who couldn't pay. |
| 19:05.38 | Neuro_Medivh | again I ask, ccox, what regulation was reduced? |
| 19:06.17 | Neuro_Medivh | this isn't like the S&L bailout, where the govt relaxed the rules |
| 19:06.27 | ccox | Lunessa: yes, some companies handed out loans they should not have |
| 19:06.41 | Neuro_Medivh | and some PEOPLE took out loans they shouldn't have |
| 19:07.06 | Neuro_Medivh | and bought HOUSES they couldn't afford |
| 19:07.07 | ccox | Neuro_Medivh: and how many of those people knew the difference, when their loan officers said "sure, you can afford this |
| 19:07.10 | ccox | "? |
| 19:07.28 | Lunessa | Lots of companies did. And they had government rules changes telling them to do it. Some were just stupid. Some were greedy. And we're about to hand them billions for failing. And we handed others billions for failing. It's not helping things to give them more. |
| 19:07.53 | Neuro_Medivh | ccox: So, it's the salesperson's fault for selling me something? |
| 19:08.00 | Dashkal | relivant to this topic: http://notalwaysright.com/americas-debt-crisis-explained/1034 |
| 19:08.23 | ccox | Neuro_Medivh: in large part, yes, for giving homebuyers bad information about what they could and could not afford |
| 19:08.27 | Neuro_Medivh | Lunessa: Actually, from what I've read, the Govt isn't giving them money, they're essentially buying them out |
| 19:08.37 | ccox | Neuro_Medivh: for giving out loans that should not have been given out in the first place |
| 19:09.11 | Neuro_Medivh | ccox: Why is it never the homeowner's fault? "Oh, those bad naughty companies gave me a mortgage on a house I couldn't afford! It's THEIR fault!" |
| 19:09.19 | Lunessa | Neuro_Medivh: Yeah, but it's still coming out of my pocket, and your pocket for companies that should be allowed to fold up. Banks are insured. Depositors should be out nothing thanks to FDIC. |
| 19:09.25 | NeoTron | for the most part it's the homeowners fault |
| 19:09.28 | Neuro_Medivh | It's the mortgage companies JOB to get mortgages. |
| 19:09.33 | NeoTron | but their failure was facilitated by mortage companies |
| 19:09.47 | Neuro_Medivh | But hey, people are stupid, we must protect them from their own stupidity |
| 19:09.50 | Dewin | Neruo_Medivh: A lot of people consider banks to be fairly trusted and to be someone who will give good advice. |
| 19:10.00 | ccox | Neuro_Medivh: how many homeowners really understand loans and what they can afford? |
| 19:10.12 | NeoTron | a friend told me of a case where a couple failed to get credit approved to RENT an apartment |
| 19:10.17 | ccox | Neuro_Medivh: they don't understand it, they rely on loan officers, etc. to help them |
| 19:10.18 | Neuro_Medivh | ccox: If they don't understand, perhaps THEY SHOULDN'T BE GETTING A LOAN |
| 19:10.21 | Dewin | If you're not sure of the legality of something and your lawyer tells you "Yes, you can do that" and it turns out you can't, is it your fault or your lawyers? |
| 19:10.21 | NeoTron | and wehtn down and got approved to BUY a house |
| 19:10.34 | Lunessa | The first rule of solvency - Don't spend money you haven't got. |
| 19:10.47 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Neuro_Medivh: it's in the company's power to grant/deny the loan, NOT the homeowners, so thats where the fault for that lies. |
| 19:10.48 | ccox | Neuro_Medivh: if that were the case, nobody would ever buy a house, unless they worked in the finance industry for many years beforehand |
| 19:11.46 | ccox | Neuro_Medivh: sure, some homeowners might be to blame, and some probably gamed the system |
| 19:11.46 | Neuro_Medivh | ccox: I disagree. Loan basics are NOT that difficult |
| 19:11.46 | Dewin | Lunessa: Have you seen housing prices, at least on the west coat? Most people don't want to wait until they've saved up the entire $200,000 for a 'starter house', |
| 19:11.46 | ccox | Neuro_Medivh: but the majority of the blame lies with the companies giving out the bad loans |
| 19:11.46 | Neuro_Medivh | Dewin, and there's the problem |
| 19:11.47 | Neuro_Medivh | people buying houses for way too much |
| 19:11.47 | ccox | Neuro_Medivh: for people that can't understand basic fractions or statistics? Get real. |
| 19:11.47 | Neuro_Medivh | because "well, prices are only going up!" |
| 19:11.50 | Lunessa | Dewin: There's a difference between financing and spending money you can never repay. |
| 19:11.51 | Josh_Borke | i'm pretty sure that the problem now extends beyond the housing market... |
| 19:12.04 | Neuro_Medivh | ccox: People who can't understand basic fractions should go back to school |
| 19:12.05 | Dewin | you said don't spend money you don't have, not don't spend money you don't have /yet/ |
| 19:12.09 | Neuro_Medivh | or should rent |
| 19:12.23 | Dewin | ugh. Renting is bad. |
| 19:12.27 | Neuro_Medivh | not right now it's not |
| 19:12.36 | Dewin | Paying a mortage builds equity. |
| 19:12.38 | Neuro_Medivh | technically, in most markets renting is cheaper |
| 19:12.47 | Dewin | and mortgage interest is tax deductible |
| 19:12.49 | ccox | Neuro_Medivh: now I know you're trying to be funny |
| 19:12.53 | Dewin | Renting just = throwing money away every month. |
| 19:12.55 | Neuro_Medivh | No, I'm not |
| 19:13.04 | Dewin | <-- rents >.> |
| 19:13.05 | Neuro_Medivh | Dewin, lemme find you some literature on the subject... |
| 19:13.16 | Lunessa | Solvency is the condition of having more money/income than liabilities. People who carry lots of debt and are inclined to spend more are failing to understand that point. |
| 19:13.41 | Neuro_Medivh | Dewin, depending on where you live and the difference in price between mortgage and renting, it may be cheaper than a house, long-term, due to taxes, cost of ownership, etc |
| 19:13.48 | Dewin | Standard disclaimer: My wife works for one of the banks that got out of the subprime mortgage crap really early on and are doing fairly well all things considered. |
| 19:13.56 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Lunessa: half the problem is a system that lets that happen without immediate reprecussions |
| 19:14.10 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSan1: *nod* |
| 19:14.17 | Dewin | true, there is that... |
| 19:14.28 | Lunessa | Too many people don't understand that money isn't magic. |
| 19:14.32 | NightHawkTheSan1 | which, honestly, is a given in the free market, because it's in moneylendors and corporations best interest to let it |
| 19:14.48 | NightHawkTheSan1 | (or rather, it is in the short term) |
| 19:14.50 | NightHawkTheSan1 | hmm.. |
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| 19:15.23 | Dewin | yeah, for a while there you were a SAN. |
| 19:15.29 | Dewin | imagine the terabytes |
| 19:15.46 | ccox | Lunessa: that's part of where regulation comes in: providing more immediate feedback/repricussion than slowly failing until it collapses a market (like we see now) |
| 19:15.59 | Lunessa | Basically, like a college student suddenly discovering that his $5K credit card isn't free money when the repo man shows up - Uncle Sam is being asked to pay (using our money) for the wild excess of a few. |
| 19:16.12 | ccox | Lunessa: and yes, many people really don't understand money (which sadly includes my little brother) |
| 19:16.47 | ccox | Lunessa: yes, but if UncleSam doesn't step in, we're in for a world of hurt |
| 19:16.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: not merely that, but basically giving the corporations that allowed it a minor slap on the wrist saying "bad dog", and giving them a treat. |
| 19:16.47 | Lunessa | ccox: There was no one offering to bail my ass out when I lost everything. And I do mean EVERYTHING. |
| 19:17.05 | ccox | Lunessa: more than a few economists are talking depression (and not the medicatable kind) |
| 19:17.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: no one bails out the individual, only the corporation. |
| 19:17.07 | Lunessa | And yet here we are, doing it for lots of people all at once. |
| 19:17.16 | ccox | Lunessa: yes, but do you want everyone in the country to go through that? |
| 19:17.29 | ccox | Lunessa: or for the government to step in and soften the landing? |
| 19:17.31 | Lunessa | No, but I don't want to pay for them either. |
| 19:17.49 | ccox | Lunessa: none of us WANT to pay the corporations |
| 19:17.51 | Lunessa | Which is why responsible members of Congress voted "No" today. |
| 19:18.08 | ccox | Lunessa: it's just a necessary evil to prevent a deeper collapse of our economy |
| 19:18.28 | NeoTron | as much as I hate the goverment to spend 700 billion dollars on others mistakes, companioes and/or individuals, I think not doing it will be worse |
| 19:18.30 | ccox | Lunessa: and why lots of people want conditions on the bailout (kill the executive compensation bullshit) |
| 19:18.52 | NeoTron | but I don't feel idiots should be saved |
| 19:19.15 | Lunessa | red herring. Not actually relevant to the problem at hand. The problem is that markets which have been manipulated are not being allowed to correct. Freedom includes freedom to fail. |
| 19:19.17 | NeoTron | like someone I know had tons of credit card bills and took out a 2nd mortage to pay them back and instead spent the money without paying the credit back |
| 19:19.31 | NeoTron | it's bad enough to take out a 2nd mortage to pay off credit cards... worse just to spend it |
| 19:19.40 | ccox | NeoTron: yeah, I'd like to see some jail time for the fools that got us into this mess |
| 19:19.48 | NeoTron | and I don't feel people like that should be "saved" when it's their own damn fault |
| 19:19.56 | NeoTron | make them move into a small apartment since they can't handle the house |
| 19:19.59 | ccox | NeoTron: but executives and political appointees always seem to avoid that |
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| 19:20.44 | NeoTron | I do think the executives of certain financial corporations should face jail times and heavy fines |
| 19:20.48 | NeoTron | too |
| 19:21.23 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Viva La Seizurepony? |
| 19:21.33 | smcn | has anyone made a mod for the alchemist minigame in zul'drak yet? i need a project ;P |
| 19:21.59 | NightHawkTheSane | alchemist minigame? |
| 19:22.05 | Lopeppeppy | Lunesa, you betcha! |
| 19:22.29 | Lunessa | Woot. The Seizure Pony ruled. |
| 19:22.52 | smcn | NightHawkTheSane: yeah it's a daily |
| 19:23.17 | smcn | not specifically for alchemists |
| 19:23.18 | Dewin | smcn: Wait... are you saying there's Bejewelled for WoW and now there's Alchemy? <http://popcap.com/games/free/alchemy> |
| 19:23.34 | smcn | lol no |
| 19:24.02 | smcn | well, maybe, i don't know what that game is :P basically you get a bunch of ingredients from shelves & run them back to a cauldron |
| 19:24.05 | smcn | one at a time |
| 19:24.07 | NeoTron | you collect ingredients |
| 19:24.13 | Dewin | ah. |
| 19:25.06 | Neuro_Medivh | Neotron: Did you hear about the "Extreme Home Makeover" mortgage failure? |
| 19:25.34 | NeoTron | yeah I did |
| 19:25.36 | Lunessa | That quest, it pained me. |
| 19:25.38 | NeoTron | sounded similar |
| 19:25.54 | NeoTron | esp liked how the dude tried to start new business |
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| 19:31.29 | kd3 | crap |
| 19:31.38 | kd3 | they still haven't fixed the logging out on the skybreaker bug |
| 19:35.45 | Dashkal | kd3: lemme guess: you spawn and splatter? |
| 19:36.54 | kd3 | neg, insta DC |
| 19:37.36 | Dashkal | kd3: oh ouch. Glad I log out in the death knight "inn" |
| 19:38.50 | Dashkal | Not entirely sure why... It isn't exactly hard to find a safe spot and inns don't matter much at 80... |
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| 19:39.43 | Dewin | So I wonder if... rested is calculated when you log in, or while you're logged in. |
| 19:40.25 | Dewin | s/logged in/logged out |
| 19:40.30 | Dewin | bah |
| 19:40.56 | Josh_Borke | i would vote logging in |
| 19:40.57 | Lopeppeppy | The answer is 42. |
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| 19:41.16 | Dewin | I've briefly pondered the idea of completing but not turning in a bunch of quests about a week before the xpac comes out, and then not logging in that toon again until after I've installed it |
| 19:41.26 | Dewin | thus when he comes back in the cap will be 80 and he'll have lots of rested suddenly |
| 19:41.36 | Dewin | + all the XP for quest turnins |
| 19:41.54 | KarlKFI | got that many quests left? |
| 19:42.02 | smcn | depends on how far you have to travel to turn them in |
| 19:42.06 | Dewin | KarlKFI: It could be 25 dailies |
| 19:42.26 | KarlKFI | true but then you cant do dailies that day |
| 19:42.27 | Dewin | But if I just did SSO isle, they'd all be close to each other |
| 19:42.39 | Dewin | Are there any lv70-doable dailies in Northrend? |
| 19:42.48 | NightHawkTheSane | KarlKFI: how would tehat matter? |
| 19:42.48 | NightHawkTheSane | that* |
| 19:42.56 | smcn | Dewin: yes |
| 19:43.00 | Lopeppeppy | Last time they did an X pack, they deliberately limited the ability to pre-quest like that. |
| 19:43.00 | nevcairiel | the zeppelin one in HF is easy Dewin |
| 19:43.03 | smcn | there's dailies everywhere |
| 19:43.06 | Dewin | well |
| 19:43.15 | Dewin | Lopeppeppy: Howso? |
| 19:43.16 | smcn | s/there's/there are/ |
| 19:43.26 | Dewin | and if I limit it to just SSO it's only 17 dailies |
| 19:43.37 | nevcairiel | do dailys even give you experience? |
| 19:44.08 | Dewin | The gold reward they give is the XP->gold conversion for being capped |
| 19:44.45 | Lopeppeppy | Dewin, I don't remember how they did it, but they deliberately eliminated the ability to pre-quest for XP like that. *gentle shrug* |
| 19:44.47 | NightHawkTheSane | not that i'm immediately aware of |
| 19:45.10 | Lopeppeppy | They'll just recode those to be just gold giving quests, not XP quests, or whatever they need to do. |
| 19:45.33 | Dewin | heh. Then maybe I should focus on regular lv70 quests ;) |
| 19:45.40 | KarlKFI | you can only do dailies once. |
| 19:45.40 | KarlKFI | per day |
| 19:45.40 | KarlKFI | thus dailies |
| 19:45.40 | KarlKFI | there's some in grizzly hills, if you get that far |
| 19:46.54 | morkii | speaking of dailies what would be the fastest class for doing them |
| 19:47.53 | Dashkal | There's two in Howling Fjord that I can think of offhand |
| 19:48.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: i think they largely prevented it by shifting the xp curve. you got significantly more Xp for outlands quests than l60 azeroth quests at release. |
| 19:48.04 | Dashkal | and neither of them care a bit what class you are |
| 19:48.14 | Dashkal | One is a bombing run, the other a vehicle quest |
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| 19:48.48 | morkii | i mean the current ones |
| 19:48.51 | NightHawkTheSane | thats why everyone fled to HFC at 58, it wasnt worth doing old world quests |
| 19:48.53 | morkii | as far as speed |
| 19:50.12 | Lopeppeppy | morkil, depends on the quest. Some it doesn't matter, some my paladin does better (demon related ones), some my rogue does better at (faster kills). |
| 19:50.16 | NightHawkTheSane | the same classes/specs that grind fast, more or less, it's not like any of them do anything particularly new or interesting in terms of killing mechanics :p |
| 19:51.21 | Lunessa | I find myself apathetic about helping poster in the forum today. |
| 19:51.27 | Lunessa | Dewin: No. |
| 19:51.27 | Lunessa | They're all easy, but getting there at 70 might not be. |
| 19:51.43 | Dashkal | morkii: If all you want to do is be a gold-grinding machine go either Pala/DK (for the +20% fly speed to get between dailies) or BM hunter (for grindtastic never have downtime) But it's so little a gain you're best off just being in whatever DPS spec of your class of choice |
| 19:51.59 | Dewin | Heh... my BM hunter manages to have downtime >.> |
| 19:52.11 | Dewin | Usually caused by SSO mobs chainspawning |
| 19:52.15 | Dashkal | heh |
| 19:52.24 | Dashkal | a blood DK will probably be king of the daily grind come to think of it... |
| 19:52.30 | NeoTron | blood dk's have zero downtime |
| 19:52.34 | Dewin | I kill one as two more spawn and then the one I killed comes back to life on its not-even-looted-yet body. |
| 19:52.40 | Dewin | suddenly I have 30% HP and am bandaging myself |
| 19:52.42 | NightHawkTheSane | i think i'd be happy if i never so the SSO island ever again |
| 19:52.52 | NeoTron | there are a lot of dailies man |
| 19:52.55 | NeoTron | spread out though |
| 19:52.56 | Dewin | I still go there for gold, maxed rep a long time ago |
| 19:53.00 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: I hear you. I play on a PvP server.... I got Ex and never looked back |
| 19:53.07 | NeoTron | I suspect we'll see various guides for tourguide |
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| 19:53.23 | NeoTron | "daily quest run for rep X" and perhaps "the best 25 daily quests" run |
| 19:53.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: i'm on pve, but i've done it on 3 characters |
| 19:53.26 | Lunessa | Doing the SSO dailies for XP in WotLK is possible, but foolish and a waste of time unless you need rep. |
| 19:53.46 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: ow.... |
| 19:54.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: yeah, i'm... over that zone now. :) |
| 19:54.43 | Dewin | Lunessa: I figure as much too, no quest rewards |
| 19:55.03 | Dewin | though I'm almost geared for BT so I figure it'll be at least a few levels before blues start picking up. |
| 19:55.08 | kd3 | anyone know if they pulled the targetNearestDistance cvar? |
| 19:55.21 | Dewin | err... not BT, sunwell. |
| 19:56.11 | Lunessa | Dewin: And like 1/3rd the xp of even breadcrumb quests in Northrend |
| 19:56.29 | Dewin | Yeah |
| 19:56.34 | Dewin | I wasn't planning on doing the dailies regularly for XP |
| 19:56.41 | Dewin | I was thinking having them done before the xpac comes out |
| 19:56.45 | Dewin | and turn them in for a short burst of XP |
| 19:57.07 | Lunessa | ... Don't waste the effort. :P |
| 19:57.47 | Dewin | It also means while I turn them in I'll be avoiding hearing [2. Trade] [Cluelessnewbie] HOW U GET NORTHREND? |
| 19:57.57 | Lopeppeppy | Eat more spinach. |
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| 19:58.55 | Dewin | but strength doesn't do anything for hunters |
| 19:59.18 | Lunessa | Dewin: ... In the beta, that and "HOW I GET 2 DALARAN!!!!1111" |
| 19:59.53 | Dewin | I'm in the PTR, I hear it too. |
| 20:00.32 | Dewin | I don't suppose wowi is still giving beta keys out to addon authors, since I'm almost an addon author. Then again, I already know it works in 3.x since... well... that's where I'm testing it |
| 20:00.52 | Dewin | More interesting will be to see if it works in 2.x |
| 20:01.12 | Lopeppeppy | There's a PTR, I doubt they'd give out beta keys anymore. |
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| 20:01.29 | Dewin | I figured as much myself |
| 20:01.31 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, you can come stay with me and use my interwebs |
| 20:01.33 | Dewin | that and they're probably out of keys by now |
| 20:01.50 | Lunessa | ok, but I get to tape tinfoil over the windows. |
| 20:02.02 | stew_a | ok does anyone know if its at all remotely possible to target something without the user clicking on a secure button (even if it only works out of combat) |
| 20:02.14 | ShaneSveller | anyone know of any LibDataBroker providers that use a clickable tooltip? |
| 20:02.24 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa: deal |
| 20:02.29 | Dewin | when I get this thing published I think I'm going to go back and write wiki docs for the menu voodoo that don't suck. |
| 20:02.40 | Dashkal | I rather hope they're out of keys... Not wowi (they wern't on a budget, just a throttle), but blizzard. Those servers got a tad full |
| 20:02.40 | Lunessa | ok. I'll start driving now. See you in 3-4 days. |
| 20:02.51 | Lopeppeppy | Sounds good, I'll leave the porch light on. |
| 20:03.03 | Dewin | Beta still laggy Dashkal? |
| 20:03.16 | Dewin | PTR actually runs fast now, I have less latency and less downtime than on my regular realm. |
| 20:03.26 | Dashkal | Dewin: it's improved quite a bit. Not sure what they broke (I think it may have been wintergrasp) |
| 20:03.47 | Dashkal | Dewin: best bet is to ping a wowi admin and ask directly if they're still sending names |
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| 20:08.51 | Neuro_Medivh | Beta has been great the last week |
| 20:08.56 | Dashkal | I need to change mine :( Nexus died with the calendar |
| 20:09.16 | Neuro_Medivh | did they remove the calender? |
| 20:09.32 | Dewin | I have things I wish the calendar did that currently make it totally useless. |
| 20:09.37 | Dewin | Never got a blue reply to my post either |
| 20:09.45 | Dashkal | Neuro_Medivh: no, the calendar killed my mod |
| 20:09.51 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh |
| 20:10.05 | Dewin | actually, as far as I can tell, all of my posts on the PTR forum have mysteriously vanished |
| 20:10.09 | Dashkal | Cool idea, but the calendar component was the stick I was going to use to make people use it. |
| 20:10.36 | Dewin | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10539068322&sid=1 Maaven, you're my hero. |
| 20:11.14 | Dashkal | heh, I was complaining earlier that with a policy that strict I seriously wonder why they bother with a PTR forum. Just use the in-game tool |
| 20:11.51 | cog|work | Lunessa: hope you don't get Hg poisoning from your FEMA rations ;) |
| 20:11.52 | ShaneSveller | Are there any clickable-tooltip libraries out there besides Tablet? which i've heard may or may not have issues with 3.0 |
| 20:12.24 | Syzgyn | Tablet has been working fine for me in Beta |
| 20:12.26 | Dewin | Dashkal: Because if it's a suggestion (as opposed to a bug report) other players cannot add their feedback to it |
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| 20:12.37 | Lunessa | cog|work: Between the salami ones and the tuna salad ones, two of my favorite foods are rapidly approaching "blech" status. |
| 20:13.05 | Dashkal | Dewin: Suggestions are unwelcome on the PTR forum. Go to the suggestion forum |
| 20:13.05 | Lopeppeppy | Aww. *hug* |
| 20:13.14 | Lopeppeppy | If I thought postal mail would actually get to you, Lunessa... |
| 20:13.40 | Dewin | Dashkal: There was stuff telling us to tag post subjects as [Suggestion] if they were a PTR suggestion |
| 20:13.47 | Dewin | In the PTR forum |
| 20:13.51 | Lunessa | I'm fine. Stores are starting to open. there's a place to buy groceries now. |
| 20:14.19 | Dewin | The problem with the calendar is there is no way to do open signups |
| 20:14.24 | Dewin | what would be cool |
| 20:14.32 | Dewin | Is if you could shift-click a link of your calendar entry into chat somehow |
| 20:14.36 | Dewin | and people could click it and sign up |
| 20:14.48 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, but I'd send you cookies!! |
| 20:14.52 | Dewin | and then you can see who's queued and allow/reject/altlist individual signups |
| 20:15.05 | Dashkal | Dewin: "Suggestions for current or classic content should be placed in the Suggestions forum: " |
| 20:15.10 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: You can send them to me at work. nom nom nom |
| 20:15.14 | Dewin | Calendar isn't current or classic, it's PTR |
| 20:15.22 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, PM me. |
| 20:15.54 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 20:16.22 | Dashkal | Maaven has killed more than one [Suggestion] tag saying to go to that forum. The PTR forum's readme sets the rules up to make it a one-way report bugs post everything important and shut up. About the only thing it can do that the in-game tool cannot is cannot-start-the-game issues or DXDiag reports |
| 20:16.50 | Dewin | this is also something I posted like... first day of PTR. |
| 20:16.56 | Dewin | maybe second |
| 20:16.58 | Dewin | before it said to do that |
| 20:17.07 | Dewin | What annoys me is that the post isn't locked or anything, it's just flat out gone |
| 20:17.58 | Dewin | actualy, starting at page 25 of the PTR forum, all the pages are blank |
| 20:18.05 | Dewin | so maybe the forum lost it itself |
| 20:18.06 | kd3 | the cache is broken |
| 20:18.42 | Dewin | searching on my character name fails to find it also |
| 20:18.51 | kd3 | then he probably deleted it |
| 20:19.04 | Lopeppeppy | Dewin, character search has been broken forever, I can never find my posts. But kd3 is correct, it's probably gone. |
| 20:19.16 | Dewin | can't see why it would have been, but meh. |
| 20:19.17 | Lopeppeppy | They are much more thorough and strict on the PTR forums, just like the intro says. |
| 20:19.58 | Dewin | yes, and I followed everything precisely and made good reports >.> |
| 20:20.09 | kd3 | if they're dups, they've probably been deleted too |
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| 20:20.28 | Dewin | they weren't |
| 20:21.05 | Dewin | I searched beforehand, and can't find anything it would be a dupe of searching now either. |
| 20:21.34 | Dewin | but I guess it's not important |
| 20:28.08 | Dewin | hmm |
| 20:28.16 | Dewin | I disabled a bunch of addons for my mage for faster /reloadui |
| 20:28.21 | Dewin | and made sure it was set to my mage, not 'all' |
| 20:28.25 | Dewin | ... it disabled it for all characters |
| 20:28.47 | Syzgyn | Dewin: I get that happening alot too. Its very annoying. |
| 20:29.14 | Dewin | wtb way to temp save/load addon configurations |
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| 20:29.22 | Dewin | so I can switch to 'developer mode' and just have the developer tools + my addon running |
| 20:31.56 | Dewin | my menus went boom. hmm. interesting. |
| 20:32.05 | Josh_Borke | i really like some of the in-game addon managers |
| 20:32.13 | Syzgyn | ACP isnt bad |
| 20:32.17 | Josh_Borke | as long as you don't disable one of those you'll get the ability to save/load addon configurations |
| 20:33.50 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10532267713&sid=2000 post 14. <3 |
| 20:35.46 | Dewin | Niiiice |
| 20:36.36 | Dewin | ... I Just mistyped 'pastey' as 'pastrey' |
| 20:36.38 | Dewin | now I'm hungry |
| 20:37.11 | Syzgyn | pastrey.net -- eatin ur code |
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| 20:39.39 | Seerah | hehehe |
| 20:41.06 | cladhaire | mmm |
| 20:41.07 | cladhaire | pastrey.net |
| 20:41.08 | cladhaire | i want |
| 20:41.23 | cladhaire | http://wowacerefugees.com/ |
| 20:41.50 | Josh_Borke | ... |
| 20:41.53 | Dewin | NICE |
| 20:41.55 | Dewin | lol |
| 20:41.59 | Keias | Rofl |
| 20:42.00 | Josh_Borke | you're terrible |
| 20:42.34 | kneeki | lol |
| 20:42.48 | Josh_Borke | i'd leave in disgust |
| 20:42.54 | Josh_Borke | but you'd all just think it was a joke :-P |
| 20:44.48 | Dewin | Hmm... is it possible to change a menu's items while it's currently being displayed.. |
| 20:45.09 | Dewin | well, technically I'm picking from one submenu and updating another one |
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| 20:47.40 | cladhaire | Josh_Borke: not mine, but hilarious nonetheless |
| 20:50.26 | nevcairiel | the whois record lists some privacypost mail address, yay for open people =P |
| 20:51.58 | nevcairiel | Whois Privacy should be forbidden :P |
| 20:52.06 | cladhaire | why |
| 20:52.11 | cladhaire | the information they require... |
| 20:52.18 | cladhaire | i don't want that openly queryable. |
| 20:54.29 | nevcairiel | Shall i send my complaints to some PO Box? =P |
| 20:54.45 | cladhaire | no, you do what I did |
| 20:54.48 | cladhaire | hit the registrar or ISP :P |
| 20:55.00 | cladhaire | DIE WOWKON |
| 20:55.18 | haste | mood swings! |
| 20:55.45 | Lunessa | cladhaire: I had to stiffle laffs. |
| 20:55.53 | cladhaire | heh |
| 20:55.56 | kd3 | rofl, the bomb in the alliance gunship is an NPC |
| 20:57.50 | haste | hmm, firefox crashed so hard |
| 20:58.02 | haste | that ps stopped respoding |
| 20:58.37 | haste | *drops out of X* |
| 20:59.00 | haste | l |
| 21:03.07 | Lunessa | AWESOME. SMALL. TWEAKS. |
| 21:04.25 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 21:04.56 | haste | awesome, it hard-locked :D |
| 21:06.49 | Lunessa | kd3: I feel shades of "Dark Planet" in that. |
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| 21:19.19 | Dewin | hmm. Looks like you cannot change the contents of one submenu while any portion of the menu is displayed. Boohiss. |
| 21:20.32 | batrick | there's an irc client for emacs... i suppose i shouldn't be surprised |
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| 21:31.54 | NightHawkTheSane | batrick: im pretty sure the only thing there ISN'T for emacs is a vi mode. and i'm probably wrong about that |
| 21:32.14 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: don't take offence, but I suspect you're wrong. |
| 21:32.20 | Industrial | you are |
| 21:32.26 | Industrial | theres vim for emacs |
| 21:32.30 | NightHawkTheSane | well i said as much. :p |
| 21:32.41 | Industrial | also irc for vim, btw |
| 21:32.48 | Industrial | but we dont talk about that |
| 21:32.51 | bleeter | http://billharlan.com/pub/emacs/ |
| 21:32.55 | NightHawkTheSane | i want to see emacs for vim |
| 21:32.56 | bleeter | as an eg |
| 21:33.01 | Industrial | i dont |
| 21:33.02 | Industrial | :d |
| 21:33.13 | Industrial | i want to see some god damn pugging going on on my server |
| 21:33.19 | Industrial | gief badges |
| 21:35.01 | NightHawkTheSane | ugh, i hate pugging, even to do brewfest crap |
| 21:35.48 | Industrial | well my guild doesnt let me raid offspec |
| 21:35.53 | Industrial | and im bored of resto |
| 21:36.23 | Industrial | heal the one with the least hp, repeat until end of fight, repeat until end of instance, repeat until totally fucking insane. |
| 21:36.30 | Industrial | >_O |
| 21:37.39 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 21:37.44 | ScytheBlade1 | ~Industrial++ |
| 21:38.34 | Industrial | guess ill go watch hayate no gotoku! |
| 21:38.59 | Industrial | got it in h264 :3 |
| 21:41.50 | Syzgyn | NightHawkTheSane: Just pushed that pet frame mod. |
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| 22:01.52 | wereHamster | is it coincidence that I just received a couple spam mails with subjects 'debt management' or 'get out of debt books'? |
| 22:02.31 | Lunessa | they try to stay topical |
| 22:02.39 | ScytheBlade1 | http://cryptome.org/nsa-thwart.htm |
| 22:02.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Interesting |
| 22:02.52 | wereHamster | so, how is your stock doing? I'm glad I don't have any :) |
| 22:04.47 | Syzgyn | What stock? I've got a bunch of pieces of paper with company names on them. |
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| 22:06.50 | alestane | That good, huh? |
| 22:06.54 | wereHamster | ScytheBlade1: how is 'tunnel your traffic through ssh if you don't want the NSA to spy on you' interesting? |
| 22:07.37 | ScytheBlade1 | The above points and the bit of info below it is the interesting part |
| 22:07.51 | Lunessa | My 401(k) it hurts. It burns. |
| 22:08.18 | Duman | heh |
| 22:16.21 | [Liquidor] | ~time |
| 22:16.21 | purl | methinks time is 1 dimensional, or everlasting, an illusion, or 2008.09.29 22:16:21 GMT |
| 22:16.33 | [Liquidor] | -.- |
| 22:16.36 | [Liquidor] | ~pst |
| 22:16.45 | [Liquidor] | ~pct |
| 22:16.46 | [Liquidor] | ? |
| 22:17.08 | [Liquidor] | ~timezone |
| 22:17.09 | purl | from memory, timezone is "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig |
| 22:17.21 | [Liquidor] | ~usr |
| 22:17.27 | [Liquidor] | fack this |
| 22:17.32 | [Liquidor] | what time is it ckknight ? |
| 22:17.42 | ckknight | time for me to get my freak on |
| 22:17.53 | ckknight | ~ugt |
| 22:17.53 | purl | ugt is probably Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 22:18.27 | [Liquidor] | screw ugt |
| 22:18.36 | [Liquidor] | what time is it in US? East or West, don't care |
| 22:18.43 | Neuro_Medivh | 6:18pm est |
| 22:18.43 | wereHamster | dateandtime.com? |
| 22:18.49 | ckknight | whattimeisit.com |
| 22:19.00 | Neuro_Medivh | well, technically, 6:18 edt |
| 22:19.24 | [Liquidor] | Is Pacific west? |
| 22:19.30 | Neuro_Medivh | yes |
| 22:19.44 | [Liquidor] | lawl "Mountain Time" |
| 22:19.55 | Seerah | time.gov |
| 22:19.56 | Neuro_Medivh | it's 3:18pm pdt, i.e. Blizzard's time |
| 22:20.11 | [Liquidor] | is pdt short for pacific time? |
| 22:20.17 | Seerah | yes |
| 22:20.19 | [Liquidor] | k |
| 22:20.26 | Neuro_Medivh | pacific daylight time |
| 22:20.28 | Seerah | pst is standard time, pdt is daylight savings time |
| 22:20.33 | alestane | Pacific Daylight time to be precise. |
| 22:20.51 | Seerah | who says oh - today we start daylight time! :P |
| 22:21.00 | [Liquidor] | pst vs pdt? |
| 22:21.02 | alestane | Congress. |
| 22:21.12 | Seerah | psh |
| 22:21.29 | Neuro_Medivh | Liquidor: pdt means we are an hour ahead from march to oct |
| 22:21.40 | Neuro_Medivh | it's a misguided attempt to save energy |
| 22:21.40 | Seerah | so we have more daylight |
| 22:21.48 | [Liquidor] | oh |
| 22:21.53 | [Liquidor] | you name the +1 hour time? |
| 22:21.55 | alestane | Once upon a time in conserved electricity. |
| 22:22.16 | Neuro_Medivh | alestane, possibly, but now it just means you run your AC instead of your lights |
| 22:22.17 | [Liquidor] | oh we do as well :> GMT, CET, CEST or w/e |
| 22:22.31 | alestane | Notice I said once upon a time. |
| 22:23.17 | [Liquidor] | :( When is Heroes airing then? And based on what timezone? |
| 22:23.27 | alestane | I believe someone fairly reputable concluded a year or three ago that it now actually increases our costs nationally. |
| 22:23.42 | cbreak | changing costs. |
| 22:23.44 | Neuro_Medivh | Heroes will be airing in 2 hours, 37 minutes on the east coast |
| 22:23.45 | cbreak | not surprising |
| 22:24.21 | [Liquidor] | oh |
| 22:24.22 | Dashkal | I'm just waiting for the dipshits who want it permanent because of asinine reasons like "My plants do better with the extra hour of sunlight" |
| 22:24.30 | [Liquidor] | it actually airs on diff time based on the timezone? |
| 22:24.38 | cbreak | haha Dashkal |
| 22:24.56 | cbreak | as if the sun follows time changes :) |
| 22:25.08 | Neuro_Medivh | Liquidor: yes. It airs 3 hours later on West coast |
| 22:25.18 | [Liquidor] | hah |
| 22:25.32 | [Liquidor] | well i guess its out on the web in 3 hours then |
| 22:25.36 | [Liquidor] | meh that's 3am :( |
| 22:25.49 | Neuro_Medivh | probably a little longer actually |
| 22:26.10 | Neuro_Medivh | NBC waits till west coast finishes playing |
| 22:26.28 | [Liquidor] | nah i got a direct source from the us giving me the show when recorded |
| 22:26.28 | Neuro_Medivh | and the torrents need a few hours to encode and upload it |
| 22:26.43 | [Liquidor] | i can't watch it on nbc webtv anyway |
| 22:26.50 | Neuro_Medivh | do they block it outside the us? |
| 22:26.57 | [Liquidor] | ye |
| 22:26.58 | [Liquidor] | and zomg |
| 22:27.02 | [Liquidor] | I'm getting PM spammed now |
| 22:27.03 | Neuro_Medivh | bah, BBC does that shit too |
| 22:27.07 | [Liquidor] | am I the only one? |
| 22:27.13 | [Liquidor] | I got a script on me spamming from 100+ users |
| 22:27.19 | [Liquidor] | how do I disable pms? |
| 22:27.27 | Neuro_Medivh | +i I think |
| 22:27.32 | [Liquidor] | set how? |
| 22:27.57 | NeoTron | [Liquidor]: stop being female |
| 22:28.11 | [Liquidor] | well |
| 22:28.14 | [Liquidor] | im no irc geek |
| 22:28.26 | cbreak | I got pm spammed too |
| 22:28.38 | [Liquidor] | Why would someone spam me with random letters and numbers anyway? |
| 22:28.41 | cbreak | I noticed it half an hour later, since many windows with whispers were open |
| 22:28.56 | Neuro_Medivh | [Liquidor] To be a jerk |
| 22:29.18 | NeoTron | I still wonder if it's limited to certain forums or if it's just a general freenode spammer |
| 22:29.23 | [Liquidor] | Probably the same guy who spammed all the channels until the registration was set |
| 22:29.38 | [Liquidor] | now spamming all the ppl in it instead |
| 22:30.05 | cbreak | I am not too bothered |
| 22:30.47 | [Liquidor] | (Me standing): http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/8392/wowscrnshot092908201419ki5.jpg |
| 22:31.14 | cbreak | nice hat |
| 22:32.35 | Dashkal | [Liquidor]: what gear is that? |
| 22:33.35 | *** join/#wowuidev Sixen (n=Sixen@12-210-157-250.client.mchsi.com) |
| 22:34.30 | [Liquidor] | Different races here :) http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/9388/magewcr0.png |
| 22:35.48 | Dashkal | okay... why am I getting tell spam? |
| 22:35.56 | Dashkal | Just aim at anybody in the channel now? |
| 22:36.09 | [Liquidor] | ye Dashkal |
| 22:36.12 | [Liquidor] | Heh I bet you prefer this one :P http://i32.tinypic.com/28mir61.png |
| 22:36.20 | Dashkal | Total sex right there |
| 22:36.44 | Dashkal | What gear is it, though? I gotta get that on an UD female and scare the shit out of my guild :p |
| 22:36.49 | Hjalte | Where's the dwarf female? |
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| 22:38.10 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 22:38.42 | Neuro_Medivh | oh, it's +E to stop tells from unregistered nicks |
| 22:38.50 | Shirik | yes |
| 22:39.07 | Neuro_Medivh | Shirik, some spambot is now directly spamming users |
| 22:39.12 | Shirik | I know |
| 22:39.27 | Shirik | unfortunately I can't code Shiibot to handle that |
| 22:39.40 | Neuro_Medivh | no worries, I just had to remember which user setting it was |
| 22:39.54 | Neuro_Medivh | it's actually rather difficult to find a list of available user settings |
| 22:40.11 | Stanzilla | [Liquidor] now tell us what gear that is :P |
| 22:41.02 | Shirik | freenode.net has them all listed |
| 22:41.11 | [Liquidor] | These are nice too :) http://www.wowhead.com/?item=13129#screenshots I use them on my twink: http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2513/wowscrnshot031208212559zy0.jpg and http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8765/wowscrnshot031208212542un9.jpg hehe :P |
| 22:41.50 | Cide | can you get user list without joining the channel? |
| 22:41.59 | Shirik | yes |
| 22:42.08 | Cide | is there a mode to disable that? |
| 22:42.12 | Shirik | probably |
| 22:42.17 | Cide | should do that then |
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| 22:42.30 | [Liquidor] | dunno on freenode but on Qnet you can hide the userlist |
| 22:43.26 | Shirik | hrm |
| 22:43.29 | Dashkal | black mageweave leggings + vest. http://www.wowhead.com/?item=9999 http://www.wowhead.com/?item=9998 |
| 22:43.30 | Shirik | (18:43:22) - 'p' is unknown mode char to me |
| 22:44.11 | Dashkal | Channel mode +s "This channel will not appear on channel lists or WHO or WHOIS output unless you are on it. " |
| 22:44.18 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+s] by Shirik |
| 22:44.25 | Shirik | It should be +p |
| 22:44.32 | Shirik | +p is +s without the "channel lists" part of it |
| 22:44.36 | Dashkal | +p " Traditionally, this option made a channel "private," i.e., users could see it on a channel listing as <prv> but could not see the channel name or the members. This mode is synonymous with +s. " |
| 22:44.37 | Shirik | but whatever |
| 22:44.50 | Dashkal | marked deprecated |
| 22:45.01 | Shirik | not deprecated anymore, it's all out removed |
| 22:45.07 | Shirik | apparently |
| 22:45.16 | Dashkal | apparently |
| 22:45.24 | smcn | parently |
| 22:45.54 | [Liquidor] | parent |
| 22:46.23 | g0urra | arent |
| 22:46.36 | Dashkal | rent |
| 22:46.43 | Shirik | you people are very strange |
| 22:51.03 | wereHamster | NO, U! |
| 22:51.25 | kamdis | Tem, lol you got forum ignored. |
| 22:51.43 | Dashkal | Shirik: aww, you were supposed to say net |
| 22:51.44 | Shirik | forum ignored? |
| 22:51.57 | kamdis | you know the "ignore posts by this user" thing |
| 22:52.03 | Shirik | by whom? |
| 22:52.20 | Cide | Dashkal: "net"? "ren" or "ent" maybe |
| 22:52.32 | Dashkal | :p |
| 22:52.40 | kamdis | Some doofus on the death knight forum who wants a buff when bosses parry us, so that he can DW tank. |
| 22:53.03 | Cide | I thought they wanted to make DW tanking a viable option |
| 22:53.04 | Cide | is it not? |
| 22:53.06 | Shirik | he announced to everyone that he was doing an ignore? |
| 22:53.10 | Shirik | Is that really necessary? |
| 22:53.16 | Dashkal | Cide: such a buff would make DW tanking the _only_ option |
| 22:53.35 | Cide | nope |
| 22:53.39 | Cide | you can always balance it |
| 22:53.43 | kamdis | yes, and then replied to him again. haha. |
| 22:53.48 | Cide | all I asked is if dw tanking is not viable though |
| 22:53.58 | kamdis | it's okay |
| 22:54.01 | kamdis | it's doable |
| 22:54.10 | Cide | but is it as good as 2h tanking? |
| 22:54.19 | kamdis | assuming that all the parry-gib stuff is exaggerated, which i strongly suspect now that crushings are out |
| 22:54.21 | kamdis | no |
| 22:54.33 | kamdis | you'll be harder to gear |
| 22:54.39 | Shirik | wow |
| 22:54.42 | kamdis | you'll need to find a crap ton more expertise |
| 22:54.44 | Shirik | we decided to suspend raiding until wrath |
| 22:54.45 | Shirik | boo |
| 22:54.54 | Dashkal | If you don't expertise cap you'll gib yourself... |
| 22:54.57 | kamdis | it's only 6 weeks |
| 22:54.57 | Cide | there you go then |
| 22:55.07 | Gnarfoz | parry-gib = myth |
| 22:55.11 | Cide | nope |
| 22:55.14 | |Jelly| | ~hug Shirik |
| 22:55.15 | purl | ACTION hugs Shirik |
| 22:55.16 | Dashkal | Cide: the counter is that once expertise-capped you'll _have_ to go DW. |
| 22:55.19 | Cide | parry-spike-damage = not myth |
| 22:55.28 | Shirik | 6 weeks is half my DKP... |
| 22:55.29 | Gnarfoz | parry-gib != parry-spike-dmg |
| 22:55.30 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:55.38 | |Jelly| | You'd be surprised how fickle people are when they're told they wont be raiding for 6 weeks. :-\ |
| 22:55.39 | Cide | that's why I reworded it |
| 22:55.41 | kamdis | gnarfoz, true |
| 22:55.43 | Cide | but spike damage is bad |
| 22:55.47 | Dashkal | parry-spike-dmg on a class that's more avoidance than midigation is a worry... |
| 22:55.56 | Cide | self-caused spike damage is stupid as hell |
| 22:55.56 | Gnarfoz | meh, DKs? |
| 22:56.01 | kamdis | avoidance tank = scary |
| 23:02.41 | Shirik | ok I'm going to head home |
| 23:02.42 | Shirik | byes |
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| 23:12.16 | Dashkal | kamdis: from experience we aren't too bad, just a smidge more spiky than warriors or druids |
| 23:12.28 | Dashkal | the frost presence buff really helped |
| 23:13.26 | Shirik|zZz | seriously? |
| 23:13.29 | Shirik|zZz | Dow down 778? |
| 23:13.41 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed |
| 23:14.29 | NightHawkTheSane | "zomg the goverment wont give us rich executives the money we wastefully squandered with no oversight! panic! panic!" |
| 23:14.45 | Shirik|zZz | lol |
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| 23:19.43 | kamdis | Dashkal, oh I know. I just think Parry is a really bad stat to base a tank around, unless they give us some additional passive mitigation, or mitigation that is based on Parry rating. |
| 23:20.08 | smcn | there needs to be a didthefailed700billionbailoutdestroytheworldyet.com |
| 23:20.19 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:21.38 | Dashkal | kamdis: We aren't so much based on parry. Frost presence gives us a "shield" of sorts (the armour, not the block). We can then gem to the stats of our choice. My personal choice will probably be dodge. |
| 23:21.59 | Dashkal | The extra parry raiting itself gives us our "block" |
| 23:22.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: well, you're more parry based than any other tank |
| 23:22.26 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: certainly. It counters the lack of block. |
| 23:22.28 | kamdis | Dodge would be ideal, imo. But Frost Presence needs a buff then, because we have lower base mitigation than any other tanks. |
| 23:22.34 | Neuro_Medivh | more like, we're avoidance based |
| 23:22.45 | Esamynn | NightHawkTheSane: only because Bears can't parry |
| 23:22.51 | Dashkal | kamdis: frost presence did just get a buff. It has a scaling health buff built in now |
| 23:22.53 | Esamynn | oh wait, that's only Druid Bears :/ |
| 23:22.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: no more so than any other tank i dont think |
| 23:23.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: .... what does that have to do with anything? |
| 23:23.22 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawkTheSane: Dunno, seems like we're supposed to dodge/parry more than warriors |
| 23:23.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: well, parry, yes. but dodge you're on even footing |
| 23:23.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: but, in terms of avoidance, the extra parry makes up for lack of block, in theory |
| 23:23.49 | Esamynn | NightHawkTheSane: never mind |
| 23:23.56 | Dashkal | Warriors have this big flat chunk of steel between them and the boss. We have our 2h. Of course we parry :p |
| 23:24.09 | Neuro_Medivh | I read somewhere that the +parry from str actually comes out to maybe 1% |
| 23:24.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: if you're griping about druids unable to parry, thats nice, i sympathise, but it's hardly relevant. |
| 23:24.51 | Esamynn | nah, I wasn't really being serious, I think the statement made more sense in my head :P |
| 23:25.09 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm sure lots of things make more sense in your head. ;) |
| 23:25.37 | Esamynn | indeed they do |
| 23:25.50 | Neuro_Medivh | "You know, judge, in my head this really wasn't murder... it made much more sense" |
| 23:26.02 | NightHawkTheSane | that'll be my defense, for sure. |
| 23:26.53 | Neuro_Medivh | "Mr NightHawkTheSane, why did you kill this man you have never met?" "Well, your honor, he rickrolled me on a really bad day, so..." |
| 23:27.00 | Dashkal | Nah, just blame games "I thought he'd just respawn in 30 seconds!" |
| 23:27.12 | NightHawkTheSane | hahah |
| 23:27.18 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, rickrolling always amused th e hell out of me |
| 23:27.25 | Neuro_Medivh | Dashkal, that'll work! Jack Thompson can be your defense attorney! |
| 23:27.30 | NightHawkTheSane | because it's not actually offensive |
| 23:27.46 | NightHawkTheSane | (well, unless you have something personal against rick astley) |
| 23:28.10 | Dashkal | I've never quite understood why some people start exploding at the sight of that video... |
| 23:28.23 | NightHawkTheSane | its not even a bad video. |
| 23:28.30 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, its cheesy as hell, but it was the 80s |
| 23:28.59 | Neuro_Medivh | I was always partial to http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/duncan0/NGGYU.jpg |
| 23:29.12 | Neuro_Medivh | one of the better rickrolls I've seen |
| 23:29.35 | NightHawkTheSane | that's really awesome |
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| 23:30.36 | Dashkal | that's a pretty decent quality photoshop in its own right... |
| 23:31.46 | Esamynn | oh, just to be completely off topic, I would like to say that the removal of the target limit on Swipe (and Thunderclap) is *HAWT*!! 8) |
| 23:32.07 | Dashkal | *bouncebouncebouncebouncebounce* |
| 23:32.13 | Esamynn | lol |
| 23:32.30 | Neuro_Medivh | as long as they don't remove it from psychic scream or int shout |
| 23:32.31 | Dashkal | I was, uh, somewhat happy when I read that over the weekend :p |
| 23:32.44 | Esamynn | Dashkal: oh? only a little huh? :P |
| 23:33.07 | Syzgyn | Hey NightHawkTheSane: Incase you missed it before, http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11051-PetList.html |
| 23:33.16 | Dashkal | I probably shouldn't comment further :p |
| 23:33.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: i did, in fact, see it. :) |
| 23:33.22 | Esamynn | Dashkal: I wonder, will Swipe now be better for AOE than Hurricane? |
| 23:33.24 | Syzgyn | ok then! |
| 23:33.39 | Dashkal | Hurricane for AoE *shudders* |
| 23:33.49 | Esamynn | lol |
| 23:33.54 | Esamynn | they did buff it and remove the cooldown |
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| 23:34.00 | Syzgyn | Esamynn: the TC change is nice, but also means warriors now have yet another useless glyph :P |
| 23:34.06 | Esamynn | lol |
| 23:34.09 | Dashkal | There's just this little detail of how you're tanking in leather with barkskin :p |
| 23:34.19 | Esamynn | Dashkal: yah :/ |
| 23:34.24 | Duman | syz: that glyph was never working tho |
| 23:34.30 | Esamynn | Dashkal: but I just meant damage wise |
| 23:34.37 | Syzgyn | That doesnt make it any less useless |
| 23:34.40 | Duman | perhaps the glyph will up the dmg or something |
| 23:34.45 | Duman | heh, fair enough |
| 23:34.59 | Dashkal | Esamynn: if we could somehow conce-urricane, that would have worked. I rather like the swipe change since we still have to actually face our targets and avoid CC |
| 23:35.02 | Gnarfoz | http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?news=MzUyMTUsLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdCwsLDE= oO |
| 23:35.03 | Syzgyn | Warrior glyphs in general suck. |
| 23:35.09 | Esamynn | hey, I use hurricane these days when there is a paladin tank and I'm not really doing anything else |
| 23:35.20 | Duman | really? I was liking the ones I'm using |
| 23:35.25 | Dashkal | The most use my hurricane gets is the imp pack just before Illhoof |
| 23:35.30 | Duman | but I'm playing some wacky rend-overpower Arms spec ;) |
| 23:35.42 | Esamynn | Dashkal: I use it for waves 1 and 2 for the first 2 bosses in Hyjal too |
| 23:35.44 | bleeter | MOAR COFFEE |
| 23:35.48 | Duman | I have the OP-on-parry, +3sec rend, and charge cooldown lowering glyphs |
| 23:35.59 | Dashkal | Same general theory. Not much point single-target DPSing an aoe pack |
| 23:37.40 | Dashkal | One thing I've always missed on my cat: Bladeflurry. Something, anything, to hit more than one thing at a time |
| 23:37.50 | Esamynn | indeed |
| 23:38.12 | Syzgyn | Duman: You're right, PvE arms wars are ok. But wheres the nice fury glyphs, or prot glyphs? Compared to other classes we're missing the really nice dps boosting ones. |
| 23:39.04 | Esamynn | so, any guesses on 3.0 yet? |
| 23:39.18 | Syzgyn | 1-2 more weeks |
| 23:39.21 | Syzgyn | no way its tomorrow |
| 23:39.21 | bleeter | what are we guessing, and what do I win? |
| 23:39.40 | Esamynn | Syzgyn: I *very* much doubt it'll be the week of BlizzCon |
| 23:39.46 | Syzgyn | *shrug* |
| 23:39.53 | Syzgyn | Then after |
| 23:39.54 | bleeter | yup, straight after blizzcon imo |
| 23:40.00 | Esamynn | I'm thinking 3 or 4 actually |
| 23:40.08 | Syzgyn | I'm not going to blizzcon, I dont keep track of when it is :P |
| 23:40.12 | Esamynn | :P |
| 23:40.23 | bleeter | of course, when I say 'straight after'... |
| 23:40.25 | bleeter | I mean... |
| 23:40.29 | Esamynn | there is BlizzCon recovery time to take into account |
| 23:40.30 | bleeter | ... after everyone's recovered from the hangovers |
| 23:40.31 | Dashkal | 15 minutes of combined sale time |
| 23:40.49 | bleeter | Esamynn: I see we're of the same mind ;) |
| 23:40.50 | Esamynn | ~comfort Dashkal |
| 23:40.51 | purl | There, there, Dashkal. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:40.53 | Dashkal | Just cause I _really_ couldn't afford it anyway... |
| 23:41.05 | bleeter | gunna cost me AUD$30 to go |
| 23:41.08 | bleeter | both days |
| 23:41.12 | Esamynn | hahaha |
| 23:41.14 | Esamynn | :P |
| 23:41.14 | bleeter | and get the mount, afaik |
| 23:41.22 | Dashkal | That trip would have cost me all-in-all about two grand CAD |
| 23:41.49 | bleeter | and.. what's even better.. is the person I'm paying to get the PayTV sub.. is hawt.. single.. female... and wants to learn about the game RAWR |
| 23:42.05 | bleeter | I cannot possible not win |
| 23:42.09 | bleeter | y |
| 23:42.09 | Cide | how can it cost you 2k CAD? |
| 23:42.09 | bleeter | bah |
| 23:42.19 | Cide | it costs me roughly the same, and I live in *sweden* |
| 23:42.19 | Esamynn | bleeter: something tells me that the mount is gonna be WAAAY more common that either Murky or the Suit |
| 23:42.21 | Dashkal | Cide: travel, accomidations, food, disneyland :p |
| 23:42.29 | Cide | how much is travel for you? |
| 23:42.42 | Dashkal | approx 700 at the time I looked. |
| 23:42.47 | Esamynn | Cide: travel for me is gonna be about $600 |
| 23:42.54 | Cide | one way or return flight? |
| 23:42.57 | Dashkal | return |
| 23:42.58 | Esamynn | return |
| 23:43.22 | Cide | it's ~1400 CAD or $1325 USD for me |
| 23:43.24 | Dashkal | If you're trying to follow my numbers, they're inflated. I always inflate a travel budget for that shit that always seems to hit the fan |
| 23:43.29 | Cide | I don't get how it can cost you 2k |
| 23:43.33 | bleeter | Esamynn: with Blizz now supporting 'remote attendance', I wouldn't be suprised. Seriously, though, I'm signing up just so (hopefully) I can put some voices to the #'s nicks of you lot! :P |
| 23:43.41 | Cide | ok, then |
| 23:43.43 | Dashkal | The actual figures came closer to 1500 |
| 23:43.44 | Esamynn | haha |
| 23:43.54 | Dashkal | I don't believe for a _moment_ that everything would go right |
| 23:43.58 | Cide | about what my trip costs alone |
| 23:44.02 | Esamynn | bleeter: not likely :P |
| 23:44.21 | Esamynn | ~comfort Cide |
| 23:44.22 | purl | There, there, Cide. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:44.59 | bleeter | anyways, apparently the directv page is in some circular loop if you already have directv and people can't order it |
| 23:45.09 | Esamynn | lol |
| 23:45.10 | bleeter | and, according to the small print, there's only two days you can order it on anyways |
| 23:45.29 | Neuro_Medivh | I still think it's the stupidest offer ever |
| 23:45.39 | Neuro_Medivh | do you get the gift bag if you watch the PPV? |
| 23:45.43 | Dashkal | Those of you who are going... I demand photos :p |
| 23:45.49 | Neuro_Medivh | cause that's the only reason I could see getting it |
| 23:45.49 | Esamynn | Neuro_Medivh: just the mount, I think |
| 23:46.00 | bleeter | yeah, the mount |
| 23:46.11 | bleeter | POLAR BEAR MOUNT GIFT CARD OFFER: Offer ends 10/11/08. Automatically receive a gift card (no retail value) that can be redeemed for a World of Warcraft® in-game polar bear mount with flag waving murloc (mount) when you purchase the BlizzCon 2008 event in either SD or HD on either October 10 or 11, 2008 for $39.95. |
| 23:46.35 | Neuro_Medivh | It's like telling someone "hey, we know you really wanted to eat, but we ran out of food... so here's some PICTURES of food! That should be good enough for ya!" |
| 23:46.39 | bleeter | so you've gotta order it in the last two days of the offer being open to qualify, if you order earlier, according to the small print, yer screwed for the mount |
| 23:46.50 | Esamynn | polar bear mount will be more common, but Murloc on a Polar Bear mount won't be! =D |
| 23:47.31 | Esamynn | bleeter: I think that's just some screwed up grammar :P |
| 23:48.01 | Neuro_Medivh | I think they're telling you the event is on oct 10 and 11, not that you must order on those days |
| 23:48.06 | bleeter | Esamynn: from reports on CSF, large chunks of the DirectTV page are screwed up, so wouldn't shock me :P |
| 23:48.15 | Esamynn | Neuro_Medivh: it IS on Oct 10 and 11 ;) |
| 23:48.47 | Esamynn | so yah, screwed up grammar, and all that |
| 23:50.22 | Arrowmaster | bleeter: actually current directv customers couldnt order the blizcon package until the 28th, the pages are worded really badly |
| 23:51.06 | Esamynn | typical lack of even the most basic semblance of proofreading |
| 23:51.19 | Esamynn | it's sad really |
| 23:51.58 | bleeter | did folks see the new Blizz JopOpp page with all the sexor photos? |
| 23:52.11 | kamdis | where is that fine print from bleeter? |
| 23:52.58 | Dashkal | I worry when a workplace has a gym and such on campus... |
| 23:53.38 | bleeter | kamdis: http://www.blizzard.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPageNR.jsp?assetId=P4880012 |
| 23:53.43 | bleeter | kamdis: FAQ Question #3 |
| 23:54.40 | bleeter | Dashkal: but they do have a museum and a theatre :) |
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| 23:57.08 | NeoTron | Dashkal: worry when offices come with a bed and a shower |
| 23:57.15 | kamdis | thanks. yeah, that's just bad grammar/legalese. |
| 23:57.22 | Dashkal | NeoTron: Isn't that google? :p |
| 23:57.27 | kamdis | sounds to me like you just have to purchase either day to qualify. |
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| 23:57.53 | kamdis | to purchase the event for either day i mean |
| 23:58.31 | Esamynn | kamdis: I think we'd all pretty much agreed that was what they really mean to say |
| 23:58.38 | Esamynn | the point is, that's NOT what it says |
| 23:59.24 | kamdis | true |
