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| 00:01.32 | Kaso | oh really? that long? ive never seen anything a long as that |
| 00:01.41 | haste | :p |
| 00:01.57 | haste | my poor sarcarm-meter |
| 00:02.48 | Kaso | sarcarm ? |
| 00:03.22 | ckknight | mmm... delicious sarcarm |
| 00:03.29 | ckknight | the meal of my homeland |
| 00:03.38 | haste | sarcarm ofc! |
| 00:03.45 | haste | s is next to r! |
| 00:03.45 | Kaso | whos being sarcastic? |
| 00:04.02 | ckknight | you said sarcarm again, haste |
| 00:04.09 | haste | lol |
| 00:04.19 | NightHawkTheSane | everyone's always sarcarmic. |
| 00:04.22 | haste | I fail at typing :( |
| 00:04.35 | Gnarfoz | you fail at sarcarm, too |
| 00:04.39 | NightHawkTheSane | or maybe it's just haste that's sarcarmic.. |
| 00:04.47 | haste | D: |
| 00:04.49 | Gnarfoz | who knows! |
| 00:04.52 | Gnarfoz | :---D |
| 00:05.06 | NightHawkTheSane | ... your mom. |
| 00:05.41 | Gnarfoz | she's not here, though |
| 00:06.49 | NightHawkTheSane | sure she is. if by "here" you mean "under my desk" |
| 00:08.19 | Dreagar | i just hooked TakeTakiNode. as the start of flight. :) |
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| 00:08.34 | Gnarfoz | your desk is on a peninsula in north-eastern Germany, NightHawkTheSane? interesting... :> |
| 00:09.18 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. sadly, it'd be far more interesting if i were as well, but alas.. :P |
| 00:09.23 | Dreagar | worked like a charm except the start thing didn't come across. ;( no biggie tho |
| 00:09.49 | Gnarfoz | so she's below a desk in north-eastern Germany, alone? oO what sense does /that/ make |
| 00:09.59 | NightHawkTheSane | ... who said anything about making sense? |
| 00:10.20 | Gnarfoz | ah, right. ;) |
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| 00:15.27 | Dreagar | location (0,0) is the exact center of the map? |
| 00:15.42 | Corrodias | the map to my heart <3 |
| 00:15.58 | NightHawkTheSane | I think 0,0 is one corner. i just forget which. |
| 00:16.11 | NightHawkTheSane | except for Corrodias's heart, obviously. |
| 00:16.29 | Dreagar | weird. every time i land or take off from bloodwatch on bloodmyst isle, it says that loc is 0,0. :( |
| 00:17.00 | Arrowmaster | thats because your map isnt set on that zone i bet |
| 00:17.45 | Dreagar | the GetLoc() method i wrote sets it to current map before returnin the loc and zone etc. but i think i see what's happenin it's grabbin the loc like half a second after gettin in flight. :( |
| 00:17.50 | Dreagar | no biggie tho. :) |
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| 00:22.37 | Sixen | lol |
| 00:22.39 | Sixen | Using Pidgin.. |
| 00:24.24 | Dreagar | omg, this is irritating, now the ending location shows up as 0,0 wth. lame. |
| 00:26.15 | Dreagar | that's everywhere i see in exodar? wtf. |
| 00:27.00 | Dreagar | do locs not show in cities for some reason? |
| 00:29.09 | Dreagar | testing that. maybe it's just exodar. :) |
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| 00:32.47 | Dreagar | ok, i'm really confused. every time i land, it says loc is 0,0.. then if i take off from that spot.. it sas the loc is still 0,0. dhat just don't makeany sense.. :( |
| 00:32.56 | Dreagar | ahhh screw it. dinner time. i'll figure it out after |
| 00:33.24 | Shirik | Dreagar: You need to update to current zone |
| 00:33.46 | Dreagar | the getLoc method i'm usin to get the loc does that. :( |
| 00:34.00 | Shirik | then your getLoc method is wrong :P |
| 00:34.02 | Dreagar | at least i think it does. lol. i should check before sayin anythin huh? |
| 00:34.11 | Shirik | !api SetMapToCurrentZone |
| 00:34.11 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'SetMapToCurrentZone' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SetMapToCurrentZone |
| 00:34.26 | Dreagar | OMFG ok, beat me i'm a moron |
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| 00:36.02 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 00:36.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ~slashdot |
| 00:36.08 | ScytheBlade1 | BYE GLIDER |
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| 00:38.01 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.mmoglider.com/legal/order_july14_2008.pdf |
| 00:38.06 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ Court order |
| 00:38.11 | Tain | Actually that's a scary-ass decision by the court that has some massive ramifications. |
| 00:38.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed. |
| 00:38.17 | Dreagar | works great now. thanks shirik. for not smackin me around. should have checked before i said anything. lol |
| 00:38.31 | ScytheBlade1 | But, for now, I'm just being happy with Glider dying off |
| 00:39.05 | Tain | Declaring that loading a program into RAM constitutes "making a copy" means copyright holders can decide when and where you're allowed to load their program to be an authorized copy. |
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| 00:39.18 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf did you do ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:39.55 | Shirik|Ecole | Unknown device: x11 |
| 00:39.55 | Shirik|Ecole | Unrecoverable error: undefined in .uninstallpagedevice |
| 00:40.00 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 00:40.02 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf did YOU do |
| 00:40.06 | Shirik|Ecole | I clicked the pdf.... |
| 00:40.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Smooth |
| 00:40.16 | Shirik|Ecole | and I get this ghostscript error thing |
| 00:41.08 | Tain | It's fine to get rid of Glider but that judge has basically said that just the act of running a piece of software can constitute making an illegal copy. |
| 00:41.25 | JoshBorke | well let us hope it is overruled |
| 00:41.35 | Dashkal | Tain: omfg the judge did it... |
| 00:43.20 | Shirik|Ecole | what is a "midnight commander"? |
| 00:43.24 | Tain | Seriously, this ruling terrifies me as it stands. Imagine if the RIAA gets their hands on it, they'll have precident to say that you can buy an album but if you don't play it on an approved device you're making an unauthorized copy. |
| 00:43.53 | Kaso | Shirik, the file manager? |
| 00:44.00 | Shirik|Ecole | I dunno |
| 00:44.01 | JoshBorke | Tain: according to the document, it wasn't this case first |
| 00:44.06 | Shirik|Ecole | I saw it in Konsole |
| 00:44.20 | Shirik|Ecole | Session -> New Root Midnight Commander |
| 00:44.28 | Corrodias | ugh |
| 00:44.36 | Corrodias | more decisions made by people who have no understanding of technology |
| 00:44.37 | JoshBorke | tain: " Ninth Circuit law holds that the copying of software to RAM constitutes âcopyingâ for purposes of section 106 of the Copyright Act. MAI Sys. Corp. v. Peak Computer, Inc., 991 F.2d 511, 518-19 (9th Cir. 1993). |
| 00:44.52 | Legorol | We killed Zul'jin for first time, hurray. Sorry, had to share it. |
| 00:44.53 | Kaso | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_commander |
| 00:44.59 | JoshBorke | Legorol: GRATS! |
| 00:45.07 | Shirik|Ecole | does wikipedia know everything? |
| 00:45.07 | Kaso | JoshBorke, ^_- |
| 00:45.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik|Ecole: yes |
| 00:45.19 | JoshBorke | wow, look at the date on that reference |
| 00:45.21 | Corrodias | no |
| 00:45.21 | Shirik|Ecole | JoshBorke: .... wow |
| 00:45.51 | Shirik|Ecole | so doesn't that mean everyone using windows is illegally running their copy? |
| 00:46.02 | Dashkal | Tain: Oh you can bet they're already writing briefs to do just that |
| 00:46.04 | Shirik|Ecole | because the microsoft license only permits you to make one copy |
| 00:46.09 | Dashkal | Copyright law has just been assraped |
| 00:46.20 | Corrodias | right in the ass |
| 00:46.30 | Legorol | Shirik|Ecole: That does, indeed appear to be the case. |
| 00:46.30 | Shirik|Ecole | as opposed to assraped not in the ass |
| 00:46.47 | Legorol | There is a slight nuance though, let's not forget about that: |
| 00:47.00 | Legorol | Copyright is something that you can enforce if you want to, but you don't have to. |
| 00:47.04 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah |
| 00:47.15 | Shirik|Ecole | But the point still stands, if I wanted to be a dick about it :P |
| 00:47.17 | Legorol | So Microsoft doesn't have to enforce it on people who copy Windows to RA< |
| 00:47.19 | Legorol | *RAM |
| 00:47.30 | Dashkal | Legorol: Given that copyright violation is criminal in the states, I'd rather not fuck with that. |
| 00:47.34 | Shirik|Ecole | of course, even if they did |
| 00:47.35 | NightHawkTheSane | but they could, and use it as an excuse to harass/shut down people for whateve rreason they like |
| 00:47.43 | Legorol | Yes, and legalities should be in order, and not depend on the grace of the copyright owner |
| 00:47.46 | Shirik|Ecole | judge would probably ask what the damages were and ... there are none |
| 00:48.04 | ScytheBlade1 | POP QUIZ: WoW has a 64-bit binary for XP/Vista, true or false? |
| 00:48.11 | Legorol | false |
| 00:48.12 | Shirik|Ecole | hopefully false |
| 00:48.16 | Shirik|Ecole | because I'm running 32 bit |
| 00:49.07 | JoshBorke | hm |
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| 00:49.15 | Shirik|Ecole | why do you ask? |
| 00:49.29 | Shirik|Ecole | now that I don't even remember what I was doing, ty |
| 00:49.50 | Kaso | a game with 64 bit binaries? hah good luck |
| 00:49.54 | Kaso | save crytek stuff |
| 00:49.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaso: that's what I said |
| 00:50.09 | Shirik|Ecole | oh I remember now |
| 00:50.10 | ScytheBlade1 | And then someone in a WoW channel said "WoW is 64-bit, it even says so in task manager" |
| 00:50.13 | Shirik|Ecole | unbreaking what ScytheBlade1 broke |
| 00:50.13 | ScytheBlade1 | So I went o_0 |
| 00:50.15 | ScytheBlade1 | And asked here |
| 00:50.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 00:50.17 | ScytheBlade1 | hA |
| 00:50.19 | ScytheBlade1 | *HA |
| 00:50.19 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah.... no ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:50.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I gave you a link to a .pdf |
| 00:50.49 | Shirik|Ecole | so, to compile kernel 2.6.26 or not |
| 00:50.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I really doubt that I managed to break your box |
| 00:51.08 | JoshBorke | this PDF is actually quite readable |
| 00:51.15 | JoshBorke | there are others that are far more dense |
| 00:51.22 | Shirik|Ecole | ScytheBlade1: "Unbreaking" consists of installing acrobat reader :) |
| 00:52.30 | Shirik|Ecole | :< |
| 00:52.34 | ScytheBlade1 | kpdf! |
| 00:52.35 | ScytheBlade1 | GO! |
| 00:52.39 | Shirik|Ecole | kpdf? |
| 00:52.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 00:52.46 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 00:53.06 | Shirik|Ecole | Unknown device: x11 |
| 00:53.06 | Shirik|Ecole | Unrecoverable error: undefined in .uninstallpagedevice |
| 00:53.07 | Shirik|Ecole | er |
| 00:53.09 | Shirik|Ecole | wrong copy |
| 00:53.17 | Shirik|Ecole | [blocks B ] kde-base/kpdf:3.5 (is blocking kde-base/kdegraphics-3.5.9) |
| 00:53.17 | Shirik|Ecole | [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdegraphics-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kpdf-3.5.9) |
| 00:53.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Sounds like gentoo is broke |
| 00:53.31 | Shirik|Ecole | sounds like you're broke |
| 00:53.42 | ScytheBlade1 | kyle@ksb ~ $ which kpdf |
| 00:53.42 | ScytheBlade1 | /usr/kde/3.5/bin/kpdf |
| 00:53.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I dunno |
| 00:53.56 | JoshBorke | i opened the file no problem |
| 00:53.59 | JoshBorke | using linux |
| 00:54.13 | JoshBorke | specifically document view |
| 00:54.15 | JoshBorke | er* |
| 00:54.18 | Shirik|Ecole | why not acrobat reader? |
| 00:54.25 | JoshBorke | because i don't have it installed |
| 00:54.51 | Shirik|Ecole | that was more at ScytheBlade1 :) |
| 00:54.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Because it is evil? |
| 00:54.54 | Arrowmaster | that reminds me i still need to try and fix my debian box |
| 00:55.01 | Shirik|Ecole | also, portage still doesn't have 2.6.26 :( |
| 00:55.08 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart Shirik|Ecole |
| 00:55.08 | purl | teaches Shirik|Ecole that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. |
| 00:55.16 | Artmi | how can i set the color of a texture ? using a <Texture> to have below my Castbar, but its just gray |
| 00:55.28 | ScytheBlade1 | http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.26.tar.bz2 |
| 00:55.28 | Artmi | even if i try to use the <Color> attribute |
| 00:55.29 | Artmi | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91338 |
| 00:55.35 | Shirik|Ecole | yaya I know |
| 00:55.37 | Corrodias | dude |
| 00:55.40 | Corrodias | don't insult Access |
| 00:55.55 | Corrodias | we praise Jebus for our good fortune when we get a new database to convert and it is an Access database |
| 00:56.05 | Corrodias | at least you can run actual queries on it |
| 00:56.37 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 00:56.49 | Corrodias | compared to systems that use flat files to store information |
| 00:56.49 | Nechckn | Pardon folks.. has anyone here commented/seen this sort of behaviour on their systems? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903762396&sid=1 |
| 00:57.08 | Corrodias | one of the worst is a system that has a file that has indexes into another file with variable length fields |
| 00:57.23 | Dashkal | Well, I think I'm going to go be sick. later |
| 00:58.22 | Corrodias | so what's this change to mail behavior he's talking about? |
| 00:58.40 | Nechckn | That's the question... |
| 00:58.42 | Shirik|Ecole | so Nechckn |
| 00:58.59 | Shirik|Ecole | this guy is complaining because he was too cheap to buy space in the bank |
| 00:59.03 | Shirik|Ecole | and then lost his mail |
| 00:59.04 | Nechckn | if anyone has noticed mail not being "bounced" back to the sender after 30 days |
| 00:59.34 | Nechckn | Yes, Shirik, but a certain blue, then points directly at Auctioneer Advanced as the culprit |
| 00:59.37 | Corrodias | hm, never noticed that |
| 00:59.48 | Nechckn | which I think is sort of messed up.... obviously |
| 01:00.13 | Arrowmaster | well my mailbox has been perty empty recently its usually full of stuff thats been bounced back from alts |
| 01:00.43 | Shirik|Ecole | Nechckn: the mail has always functioned like that |
| 01:00.56 | JoshBorke | Shirik: this makes me sad: http://svn.wowinterface.com/listing.php?repname=&path=%2F&sc=0 |
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| 01:01.45 | Nechckn | Shirik that's what I'm thinking.. but when one of the blues, then point at AAdv and says "stop using it" that makes me a SAD Panda |
| 01:01.59 | Nechckn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903762396&sid=1&pageNo=8 |
| 01:02.05 | Nechckn | the comment by Malkorix |
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| 01:06.29 | Shirik|Ecole | Nechckn: I would argue for sending an email to blizzard about that statement tbh |
| 01:06.39 | Shirik|Ecole | however, it should be investigated |
| 01:06.53 | Shirik|Ecole | but what he said was not something that should be said, at least in the tone it was said |
| 01:08.18 | Shirik|Ecole | oh this is awesome |
| 01:08.29 | Shirik|Ecole | Adobe's site detects "Linux" and immediately assumes "Oh he must need an rpm!" |
| 01:11.25 | Shirik|Ecole | ~whalecrit ScytheBlade1 |
| 01:11.25 | purl | ACTION crits ScytheBlade1 with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. ScytheBlade1 dies |
| 01:11.32 | Corrodias | the tone? |
| 01:12.28 | Corrodias | he's just saying that it seems to be involved and very strongly recommends to stop using it or not rely on mail to bounce while you're using it, until they know more |
| 01:12.53 | Corrodias | then again, i don't see how that addon in particular could be causing anything |
| 01:13.01 | Corrodias | more likely anything that sends mail via the API |
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| 01:21.57 | Dreagar | so malk is sayin don't use auctioneer advanced because it messes up the bounce system for in game mail? hmm. i'm kinda confused, cause i use it and my mail bounces fine. (don't use it for storage, just don't always login on some chars or forget to grab the mail. lol. |
| 01:22.20 | Dreagar | i'd love to see som eproof before spouting off like that. kinda lame |
| 01:22.43 | Corrodias | once again, i have to break out the ancient wisdom, sidestepping your use of "spouting off" to describe a cautionary note |
| 01:22.58 | Corrodias | "your experiences are not necessarily representative of everyone's" |
| 01:24.59 | batrick | Shirik|Ecole: how was the Lua workshop? |
| 01:25.04 | Shirik|Ecole | fun |
| 01:25.12 | Shirik|Ecole | some interesting stuff going on there |
| 01:25.18 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 01:25.35 | batrick | I could have done a presentation on NSE :) |
| 01:25.35 | Shirik|Ecole | now tell me the correct flag for tar to unzip bz2 |
| 01:25.39 | Shirik|Ecole | so I don't have to open the man page |
| 01:25.46 | batrick | err, NSE = Nmap Scripting Engine |
| 01:25.53 | batrick | xvvjf |
| 01:26.07 | Shirik|Ecole | j, that's it |
| 01:26.08 | Dreagar | exactly. :) |
| 01:26.17 | Shirik|Ecole | why vv though |
| 01:26.25 | batrick | cuz |
| 01:28.25 | Shirik|Ecole | cuz |
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| 01:29.58 | ScytheBlade1 | http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/4263/igeletterve2.gif <-- fun e-mail sent out by a head person at IGE |
| 01:30.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Kinda fun to see the e-mail itself |
| 01:30.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Atriace: ~ping for you |
| 01:30.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ~ping |
| 01:30.14 | purl | pong |
| 01:30.19 | cog|omwhome | Atriace: /me hugs his linux box |
| 01:30.25 | Atriace | :) |
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| 01:30.33 | Shirik|Ecole | kimina firefox # ls /home/mpdelbuono/Desktop/firefox |
| 01:30.33 | Shirik|Ecole | ls: cannot access /home/mpdelbuono/Desktop/firefox: Too many levels of symbolic links |
| 01:30.36 | Shirik|Ecole | :( |
| 01:30.39 | Shirik|Ecole | my computer hates me so much |
| 01:30.46 | Atriace | |. | |
| 01:30.54 | Shirik|Ecole | WOW |
| 01:30.56 | Shirik|Ecole | this is cool |
| 01:31.04 | Shirik|Ecole | since when does "ls" output flashing stuff |
| 01:31.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|Ecole: quit breaking things |
| 01:31.11 | cogwheel | since ANSI? |
| 01:31.17 | Shirik|Ecole | why is it flashing? |
| 01:31.32 | Shirik|Ecole | I think ScytheBlade1 hates me |
| 01:31.39 | cogwheel | s/does/can/ imo... |
| 01:31.50 | cogwheel | somebody's crappy theme? |
| 01:32.05 | Shirik|Ecole | it's just shell :/ |
| 01:32.13 | Shirik|Ecole | and I've never seen it before, and I use gentoo's bash all the time |
| 01:32.13 | cogwheel | There are ANSI formatting codes that specify blinkage |
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| 01:32.26 | cogwheel | it might force them not to blink ;) |
| 01:32.27 | Shirik|Ecole | I really think ls is mad at me though |
| 01:32.31 | cogwheel | sounds like a gentoo thing to do |
| 01:32.45 | cogwheel | perhaps it underlines them or formats them in some other way? |
| 01:32.46 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a special file type bash specific highlighting |
| 01:32.53 | Shirik|Ecole | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Jul 14 21:28 firefox -> ./firefox |
| 01:33.00 | Shirik|Ecole | I should point out those permissions are totally not what I set |
| 01:33.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|Ecole: that typically means... yes |
| 01:33.07 | ScytheBlade1 | A broken symbolic link |
| 01:33.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ~wrists |
| 01:33.12 | purl | Remember, emo kids, it's down the street, not across the road! http://www.saunalahti.fi/maut0n/makeitcount.jpg |
| 01:33.14 | Shirik|Ecole | I just made it 2 seconds ago! |
| 01:33.26 | ScytheBlade1 | You can't set permissions on a symlink |
| 01:33.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Only the end point binary/file/whatever |
| 01:33.39 | Shirik|Ecole | ok |
| 01:33.42 | Shirik|Ecole | it's 755 on the end point |
| 01:34.29 | Atriace | That link needs to be fixed: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://weng.ikm04.dk/pic/makeitcount.jpg&imgrefurl=http://weng.ikm04.dk/pic/&h=221&w=300&sz=48&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=IkCPK8PTo1zM5M:&tbnh=85&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmakeitcount.jpg%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den-us%26sa%3DN |
| 01:34.40 | Atriace | 0_0 |
| 01:34.48 | Atriace | Well maybe not that link, but anywhoo... |
| 01:35.28 | Shirik|Ecole | kimina firefox # ln -s ./firefox /home/mpdelbuono/Desktop/ |
| 01:35.32 | Shirik|Ecole | ... |
| 01:36.01 | Shirik|Ecole | I think this computer is made simply to spite me |
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| 01:41.38 | Shirik | hi Guest99202 |
| 01:41.49 | Shirik | why is my desktop still on... |
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| 01:48.10 | Shirik | ahahaha, clad|away |
| 01:48.15 | Shirik | ping me when you get back |
| 01:48.36 | Shirik | random question: are PTRs up? |
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| 01:49.11 | Dreagar | Random Answer: it's the refraction of light off of raindrops. :) |
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| 01:52.33 | Legorol | [Starting debate] To anyone that actually read through the summary judgment PDF for the blizz vs. glider case, here is food for thought. |
| 01:53.33 | Legorol | One of the central element of the case appears to be that when you use a program, it gets "copied" to RAM and that copying is significant, and has the full protection of copyright law. |
| 01:53.51 | NightHawkTheSane | welcome to an hour ago |
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| 01:54.03 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: yeah i know, i will carry on with the argument, just bear me out |
| 01:54.08 | Legorol | I'm just summarising for those joining now :) |
| 01:54.30 | Legorol | There are precedents quoted that establish that etc. |
| 01:54.33 | Legorol | So here is the part that will give food for thought: |
| 01:54.59 | Legorol | In my opinion it's clear that the copyright law is about the created work, and not the physical medium on which it's stored. |
| 01:55.30 | Legorol | To use a book as an example: copyright is all about the text, as an immaterial object, as opposed to the physical paper, ink etc. that make up the medium holding that text. |
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| 01:55.49 | Legorol | So, consider the following: |
| 01:56.13 | Shirik | 42 |
| 01:56.13 | Legorol | If I were to take out a pencil and start copying the book onto some other paper, that's potentially copyright infringement. |
| 01:56.35 | Legorol | But what happens if I use a projector to magnify the book and project it onto a screen, for better viewing maybe. |
| 01:56.49 | Legorol | Common sense in my opinion would lead to conclude that that is not copying |
| 01:57.04 | Shirik | but what if there's 300 people watching said projector |
| 01:57.11 | Legorol | that's a diferent matter entirely |
| 01:57.16 | Shirik | (devil's advocate) |
| 01:57.19 | Corrodias | what bearing at all did this have on the Glider case, anyway? |
| 01:57.21 | Legorol | That's public display, a separate section of copyright law entirely |
| 01:57.27 | Legorol | Corrodias: I'll come to that. |
| 01:57.58 | Legorol | What I am thinking here is, there are many situations in which you physically alter other media in order to successfully make use of copyrighted material, |
| 01:58.04 | Legorol | yet common sense would suggest that that is not copying. |
| 01:58.30 | Legorol | So what's so special about the copying of computer code from the hard disk to RAM? |
| 01:58.44 | Kaso | Can you give an example of other situations? |
| 01:58.53 | Legorol | Why does it bear any more special status than, say, the passing of the code through the HDD's cache, or the computer's memory bus, etc. |
| 01:59.00 | Legorol | Kaso: the projector example. |
| 01:59.43 | Shirik | Legorol: Because you're not copying, you're merely refocusing :P |
| 01:59.46 | Legorol | Heck, you could argue you are making a copy of the text because you are imprinting it on your retina for a brief period |
| 01:59.53 | Kaso | heh |
| 02:00.03 | Shirik | yes! |
| 02:00.07 | Shirik | I'm going to argue that in court |
| 02:00.22 | Legorol | Shirik: if you like, i can come up with any number of obviously ludicrous examples where there are transient copies of a work during its ordinary use. |
| 02:00.28 | Kaso | i agree that its a retarded concept all in all |
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| 02:00.51 | Zurik | omg that is funny! |
| 02:00.52 | Legorol | There are many transient copies of the code as it passes through the innards of a computer. |
| 02:01.08 | Shirik | This statement is licensed for freenode's use only. Copying of this statement is strictly prohibited. (c) Matthew P. Del Buono 2008. All rights reserved. |
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| 02:01.16 | Legorol | rofl |
| 02:01.18 | Shirik | I now sue all 120 of you for copyright infringement |
| 02:01.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: You DMCA purl and I'll fly over there and personally kill you |
| 02:01.44 | Legorol | exactly, Shirik |
| 02:01.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: mostly in regards to whether glider infringes on blizzard's copyright |
| 02:02.10 | Legorol | All in all, I think the crux of it all lies in the ludicrous idea that moving the info to RAM during the ordinary course of using the software constitutes copying under the copyright law |
| 02:02.26 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: that's an incorrect statement. Glider never infringes on copyright. |
| 02:02.30 | Legorol | It's the user that infringes :) |
| 02:02.39 | Shirik | Legorol: What is "RAM" and what makes it different from other copying though? |
| 02:02.42 | Shirik | That's the real question |
| 02:02.44 | Legorol | A piece of software is not a legal entity and thus can't be an infringer. |
| 02:02.54 | Legorol | Shirik: yup, that is a central question |
| 02:03.06 | Legorol | RAM is usually transient, volatile storage, not permanent. |
| 02:03.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: meh, semantics, sorry :P |
| 02:03.17 | Legorol | Therefore it does not deserve special treatment |
| 02:03.28 | Shirik | what if I'm using SRAM? |
| 02:03.29 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: such semantics are extremely important if we are debating legalities |
| 02:03.39 | Kaso | what about pagefiles? its possible you make a copy onto a physical disk which is non-volatile, does that alter anything? |
| 02:03.46 | Shirik | that too |
| 02:03.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: i was mostly just giving a brief answer to Corrodias :P |
| 02:03.50 | Legorol | exactly, these are all good points. |
| 02:03.59 | Legorol | I think the point is that computers introduce a new dimension to copying: |
| 02:04.02 | Shirik | and in that case, you're actually talking about two distinct use cases for the same exact device |
| 02:04.12 | Legorol | a whole slew of transient, temporary copies that are needed for the normal operation of a software |
| 02:05.10 | Legorol | I don't believe that such copies should be treated specially, just like it's ludicrous to treat the copy of a book I'm reading that's been imprinted on my retina as copyright violation. |
| 02:05.36 | Dreagar | then why not have the copyright extend to anything having to do with the code, released by the company. and just exclude addons made that don't violate the companies EULA? |
| 02:05.52 | Legorol | Heck, what about Internet routers? Doesn't the copyright law have some special provisions that allow them to operate? |
| 02:05.53 | Dreagar | and avoid all these issues? |
| 02:06.09 | Legorol | Dreagar: addons? what does this all have to do with addons? |
| 02:07.39 | Legorol | By the way, to anyone who hasn't read the PDF in detail, I'd like to explain something: |
| 02:08.08 | Shirik | oh yeah |
| 02:08.12 | Shirik | give me the link again so I can read it |
| 02:08.17 | Shirik | WITHOUT ScytheBlade1 killing my computer |
| 02:08.17 | Dreagar | well if you copyright anything to do with the code, then that means any addons that use methods from the game, hook functions, make use of in game events.. are under the copyright of the company who made the origional code, and thus even made by others, is still the companies propery |
| 02:08.21 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.mmoglider.com/legal/order_july14_2008.pdf |
| 02:08.28 | Legorol | There isa contract between Blizzard and the user (in the form of the EULA and the TOU). Most of the case is not about whether the user is breaking them, but whether that breaking is a copyright infringement (which is more serious), as opposed to a contractual breach (less serious). |
| 02:08.58 | Legorol | Dreagar: what do you mean "copyright anything to do with the code". |
| 02:09.08 | Legorol | You can't actively "copyright" stuff. Copyrighting is not a verb. |
| 02:09.18 | Legorol | Copyright is a right that exists automatically, given to you by law. |
| 02:09.23 | Legorol | You do not need to "create" it. |
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| 02:10.38 | Dreagar | well, not knowing loads about copyrighting, i was thinking of what the copyright itself covers. |
| 02:10.58 | Legorol | Copyright is a right you have if you create some work: text, art, computer program etc. |
| 02:11.11 | Legorol | Copyright is your right to make copies of it, and to limit others from copying it. |
| 02:11.12 | Legorol | That's all. |
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| 02:12.37 | Dreagar | well, why the big debate? what (other than cheating, or making a private server) reason would anyone have to copy WoW? regardless of loading it into RAM? |
| 02:12.43 | Legorol | Dreagar: furthermore, you can give other people the right to copy it, and make it conditional. For example, you can say they are only allowed to make a copy of a picture you made if they stand on their head. |
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| 02:13.20 | Dreagar | i would personally think that there would be no reason to copy it, and just require those that want to to get express permission. |
| 02:13.26 | Legorol | Dreagar: the big debate is whether "copying" into RAM for the purpose of just simply executing WoW is a significant enough act of copying deserving of the full protection of copyright law. |
| 02:13.35 | Dreagar | i'm perhaps too simple for this debate. lol |
| 02:13.51 | Legorol | Let me try and explain to you what copyright law is about then :) |
| 02:13.54 | Dreagar | ahh |
| 02:14.01 | Legorol | or did that statement clarify it already? |
| 02:14.03 | Dreagar | nevermind, i understand from what ya just said. |
| 02:14.06 | Legorol | ok |
| 02:14.44 | Dreagar | now as far as wowglider is concerned, they capture it from the RAM and mess with it to change things? |
| 02:14.47 | Legorol | The situation is: Blizzard created WoW. They are the copyright owners. They can limit under what circumstances you are allowed to copy it. |
| 02:15.18 | Legorol | If copying into RAM is entitled to the full protection of the law, then Blizzard has the right to limit under what circumstances and how you copy WoW's code into RAM. |
| 02:15.32 | Legorol | In other words, they can put arbitrary restrictions on how you execute WoW on your computer. |
| 02:16.03 | Dreagar | and would that make a difference to anyone other than those who're cheating the game? |
| 02:16.14 | kd3 | yes. I play wow in wine on linux |
| 02:16.14 | Legorol | AS far as wowglider is concerned: Glider uses a different mechanism to load WoW into memory than what Blizzard has intended. |
| 02:16.36 | Legorol | Dreagar: sure, it makes a lot of difference, but that is irrelevant :) |
| 02:16.59 | Legorol | let me rephrase that |
| 02:17.14 | Dreagar | well is it possible for them to cover all the different methods for validly playing wow and differentiate it from those who're loading it differently in order to cheat? |
| 02:17.24 | Legorol | It makes a lot of difference for lots of other reasons other than cheating, that's why it's irrelevant whether cheating is involved or not. |
| 02:17.47 | kd3 | no. because there's more than just windows and os x |
| 02:17.53 | Legorol | No it's not possible for them to do so technologically, in other words they can't do it using code. |
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| 02:18.04 | Legorol | That's why they do so with legal text instead. Which is stronger :) |
| 02:18.24 | Legorol | A key point of the EULA is this, and I will simplify it a lot here to cut out the legal mumbo jumbo: |
| 02:18.42 | Dreagar | so that's the root of the issue, so really they shouldn't be talking about loading it in RAM at all. they should be more concentratedon the violation of the EULA. Right? |
| 02:18.43 | Legorol | 1) Blizzard gives you the right to play WoW. Legally speaking, it means it gives you the right to copy it into RAM. |
| 02:19.01 | Legorol | 2) Blizzard puts limits and conditions on when and how you are allowed to do that. |
| 02:19.06 | Legorol | For example, you are not allowed to bot. |
| 02:19.18 | Legorol | What this means is that, if you bot, your right to copy WoW into RAM is taken away. |
| 02:20.03 | Legorol | That is why it's so important whether Blizzard has the right, under copyright law, to limit your copying of WoW into RAM. |
| 02:20.11 | Legorol | It can always do so contractually. |
| 02:20.22 | Legorol | But that's different from doing so under the protection of copyright law. |
| 02:20.32 | Legorol | This may be a bit subtle. |
| 02:20.41 | kd3 | copyright law usually is |
| 02:20.59 | Dreagar | it doesn't matter, they've done it throught the EULA contract, so why bother bringing copyright laws into it at all? |
| 02:21.24 | Legorol | because copyright law violation is a crime, whereas breaking the EULA is just breaking a contract, less serious |
| 02:21.24 | kd3 | because then they would've only won on tortorious breach of contract which doesn't really accomplish much |
| 02:21.43 | |Jelly| | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/46.html // http://www.darklegacycomics.com/39.html <<DPS in my guild |
| 02:21.46 | Legorol | Blizzard is showing that people are breaking copyright law, not just violating the EULA. |
| 02:22.08 | Legorol | But if copying into RAM isn't protected by copyright law, then people aren't breaking it, obviously, just breaking a contract. |
| 02:22.27 | Legorol | That's why it's such a big deal what copying into RAM constitutes. |
| 02:22.41 | Legorol | Is it protected under copyright law, or is it not? |
| 02:22.43 | batrick | "You're currently using another service for e-mail, but it's easy to sign up for Windows Live Hotmail. " Those faggots are spying on my tabs (I have gmail open :( |
| 02:22.55 | kd3 | bat; o_O; |
| 02:23.02 | Legorol | batrick: omg |
| 02:23.07 | Dreagar | hmm. well i suppose i understand. I mean the whole reasoning behind the thing. and the reason for the debate. |
| 02:23.27 | Dreagar | did you approve teh whole windows live logging thing batrick? |
| 02:23.31 | batrick | I haven't been able to access hotmail in monthes |
| 02:23.38 | batrick | iono |
| 02:23.40 | Dreagar | for customer improvement program thingie? |
| 02:23.45 | Legorol | Simply put, the reason Blizzard is interested in establishing that there is copyright violation involved is because they can sue Glider's creators for more serious stuff :) |
| 02:24.39 | Shirik | you know, now that I'm reading this PDF |
| 02:24.45 | Shirik | oh I see Legorol has aleady touched on this |
| 02:24.53 | Shirik | I completely agree with the court's decision |
| 02:25.11 | Dreagar | understood. Legorol, i guess in my opinion at least, it's their product, they copyrighted it, and it can't be run without loading it into ram. so.... it would seem to me to be obvious that it's copyright extends to that as well. |
| 02:25.26 | Iriel | I agree with the decision, but not necessarily all of the potential implications, but those will get resolved in time i'm sure. |
| 02:25.33 | Shirik | You're authorized to copy it into RAM so long as you have a license to use the software. Once you are no longer authorized to use the software (i.e., you break the TOU), you no longer have the right to copy it into RAM |
| 02:26.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Part of the reason that's in the lawsuit is that Glider had a loader |
| 02:26.06 | Legorol | I'm with Iriel and Shirik on this. The court's decision is correct as far as the letter of the law is concerned. |
| 02:26.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Which in turned "loaded WoW" |
| 02:26.16 | Shirik | Glider takes the hit for vicarious infringmenet, which is essentially just refusing to stop it |
| 02:26.25 | Shirik | if I could spell |
| 02:26.25 | Legorol | The important question still remains whether copying into RAM should deserve the full protection of copyright law, which I don't beleive it should. |
| 02:26.41 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, it's ok, you will get used to it |
| 02:26.47 | Dreagar | me too, now that i understand.. i so slow sometimes. lol |
| 02:26.49 | Shirik | I refuse to be like you Thunder_Child |
| 02:27.09 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, refuse all you want, but the dark side is suductive |
| 02:27.36 | Legorol | I am of the opinion that copying into RAM to use a software should not constitute copying in the sense of copyright law. |
| 02:27.56 | Legorol | A company such as Blizzard can still contractually prohibit it, but it should not be granted the full penalties of copyright law. |
| 02:28.26 | Shirik | I find it interesting that MDY won an argument though |
| 02:28.44 | Dreagar | well, thinkin along other lines, would this help with cases of people copying software and not paying for it? |
| 02:28.44 | Shirik | specifically the one about loading scan.dll |
| 02:28.52 | Legorol | Shirik: yes i found that very interesting too. |
| 02:29.22 | Legorol | They make a good point there, and that ruling is consistent with the interpretation that loading into RAM is an act of copying. |
| 02:29.30 | Legorol | And scan.dll, at best, only protects that step. |
| 02:29.57 | Legorol | Dreagar: no, this case is entirely irrelevant for pirate copies. |
| 02:30.08 | Legorol | That has always been and remains illegal. |
| 02:30.29 | Legorol | Dreagar: the reason why this case is significant is as follows. |
| 02:30.40 | Dreagar | ok. that's what i thought. .. |
| 02:30.51 | Legorol | From now on, a software company could say: "you are only allowed to use this software (ie. copy it to RAM)" if you wear a red hat. |
| 02:31.12 | Legorol | Now if you don't wear a red hat and use the software anywya, you won't only be breaking a contract, you will actually be committing a crime. |
| 02:32.19 | Legorol | Iriel: actually now that I put it that way, ultimately whether it's copyright infringement or breaking of a contract seems irrelevant. |
| 02:32.35 | Dreagar | ahh, well i can see the significance of that, i just can't see companies enforcing that kind of thing unless its being used to cheat, but still the implications are lousy, people would be afraid to use software forfear of goin to jail for the silliest infraction. |
| 02:32.37 | Legorol | It does appear that a software company does have quite substantial power on limiting on how you use their product. |
| 02:32.40 | Iriel | It's not relevant from a remedies perspectie in the legal system |
| 02:32.56 | Iriel | Sorry, it's VERY relevant, I mean |
| 02:32.56 | Legorol | I thought it is. |
| 02:32.59 | Legorol | yeah |
| 02:33.24 | Legorol | It's irrelevant from the point that it still can place the user in restrictive situations, without much choice. |
| 02:33.30 | Legorol | Quite different from buying a book. |
| 02:33.43 | Legorol | and I think here comes the catch to the whole story: |
| 02:34.03 | Dreagar | even though you still have to accept the EULA to use the software. ? |
| 02:34.06 | Legorol | all this is only possible because of the practice of licensing software instead of actually selling it |
| 02:34.08 | Dreagar | there's the choice. |
| 02:34.21 | Legorol | yup, and that's where software differs from books |
| 02:34.54 | Legorol | It'd be interesting to sell a book with a notice on the front: you are not the owner of the text, you are merely licensed to read it under conditions X and Y. |
| 02:35.45 | Dreagar | the threat of harsher punishments for any break of the EULA, make the idea of using any software a lot more .. what's the word?? i know it'd make me more careful about reading the EULA and wanting to see it before i purchased any software.. |
| 02:36.39 | Legorol | Dreagar: you are unlikely to be fully prosecuted for minor breaches of the EULA, just like you don't get prosecuted for crossing a red light on foot. |
| 02:36.58 | sylvanaar | if you made something valueable, which could be duplicated without cost and given away, how would you protect the value of what you made |
| 02:37.03 | Iriel | If on the other hand you start trying to profit from distribution of a means to mass-break the EULA... |
| 02:37.45 | Legorol | I find the whole software vs. book analogy very compelling. |
| 02:37.55 | Legorol | Why is it that books are sold, whereas software is licensed? |
| 02:38.03 | Legorol | Even though both have the full protection of copyright law anyway. |
| 02:38.14 | sylvanaar | because you can print a book on to paper and it is a book |
| 02:38.21 | Legorol | Both carry a creative work an an appropriate medium. |
| 02:38.43 | sylvanaar | software is not always on your pc |
| 02:38.45 | Legorol | sylvanaar: that doesn't matter. The paper is yours, the text is an abstract thing that's protected by copyright law. |
| 02:39.02 | sylvanaar | yes, but your 1 copy of it is on that paper |
| 02:39.14 | Legorol | yup, and i could photocopy it if i chose to |
| 02:39.17 | Legorol | that'd be illegal |
| 02:39.18 | sylvanaar | it cant move around |
| 02:39.30 | Legorol | I buy a book: i can use it by reading it. |
| 02:39.31 | Mikk | you can scan it just fine *shrug* |
| 02:39.39 | Legorol | Law prevents me from photocopying it. |
| 02:39.43 | Mikk | and the whole eula nonsense hasnt even been tested in court |
| 02:39.43 | Legorol | I can buy a CD with software on it. |
| 02:39.52 | Legorol | Law prevents me from making another CD with a copy on it. |
| 02:39.53 | sylvanaar | software can. its on a DVD, then on your PC, then not on your PC, then on another PC. Its still your 1 copy |
| 02:39.55 | Mikk | and no software publisher wants to have it tested either |
| 02:40.10 | Mikk | because it's veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery shady legal territory |
| 02:40.15 | Legorol | Mikk; that's a popular myth. |
| 02:40.20 | Legorol | EULA has been tested in court numerous times.# |
| 02:40.31 | Legorol | The latest is the discussion topic of today: Blizzard vs. MDY |
| 02:40.34 | kd3 | yay for the GPL winning |
| 02:40.40 | kd3 | >.> |
| 02:40.44 | cog|away | anyone have a link to the decision? the one i found seems /.ed |
| 02:41.09 | sylvanaar | GPL winning what? |
| 02:41.15 | kd3 | http://www.mmoglider.com/legal/order_july14_2008.pdf |
| 02:41.16 | Legorol | cog|away: http://www.mmoglider.com/legal/order_july14_2008.pdf |
| 02:41.23 | cog|away | ty |
| 02:41.31 | Legorol | sylvanaar: i don't think you got my point. |
| 02:41.55 | Legorol | Copying a piece of software, whilst somewhat easier than copying a book, is conceptually isn't different. |
| 02:41.56 | sylvanaar | ah right, GPL protecting you from a lawsuit |
| 02:42.09 | cog|away | sylvanaar: your right to do that is implicit in the method of distribution |
| 02:42.20 | Shirik | I can't believe I just read that whole judgement |
| 02:42.26 | cog|away | you'd be surprised how much "reasonable person" comes up in law |
| 02:42.28 | Shirik | my head hurts now more than it did before |
| 02:42.36 | Legorol | Shirik: welcome to the club. It's unusually well written for non-lawyers imo |
| 02:42.43 | Shirik | I agree |
| 02:42.47 | Shirik | but I already had a headache |
| 02:43.15 | Legorol | I have an interesting take on this whole thing: |
| 02:43.19 | cog|away | There's a decent movement in place trying to return plain english to law |
| 02:43.43 | Legorol | Reason why software comes with license and doesn't work like books is because the software CAN display the license to you before you proceed, and stop you from proceeding otherwise. |
| 02:44.00 | Legorol | Reading the bits off of the CD has no value to you, you only get value if you can proceed with using the software. |
| 02:44.09 | Legorol | So the companies can put a blockade in front of it. |
| 02:44.13 | Legorol | With a book, that doesn't work. |
| 02:44.14 | Shirik | are PTRs up? |
| 02:44.26 | Legorol | cog|away: that's good to hear. |
| 02:44.38 | kd3 | shirik; they should be |
| 02:44.39 | Legorol | I really loved how in this PDF they summarise key points, especially when they cite something. |
| 02:44.45 | Shirik | they're up during maintenance, right? |
| 02:44.51 | Legorol | One sentence of plain English to explain what's in the cited stuff. |
| 02:44.57 | cog|away | Legorol: i'm slowly but surely going through the process of going to law school. They gave me a thick packet of various articles on law to make it more appealing ;) |
| 02:45.00 | Mikk | Jeez. "Loading into RAM" = copying... that's.... wrong. |
| 02:45.05 | Mikk | That's so very very very wrong. |
| 02:45.10 | cog|away | s/going to/getting into/ |
| 02:45.12 | Legorol | cog|away, that's awesome |
| 02:45.16 | Shirik | Well Mikk, it does have some meaning to it |
| 02:45.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Mikk: well, in the strict sense, it IS copying it. It's not like the binary disappears from the disk. :) |
| 02:45.26 | Shirik | it is, quite literally, copying |
| 02:45.33 | cog|away | then i don't have to say IANAL anymore ;) |
| 02:45.36 | Mikk | Not in the copyright sense. It's bull. |
| 02:45.42 | Shirik | hell, depending on how it's done, you might even use a function with "copy" in its name |
| 02:45.46 | Shirik | i.e., memcpy() |
| 02:45.47 | Mikk | I'm also copying words from a book into my memory. |
| 02:45.49 | cog|away | (not that i do anyway but meh) |
| 02:45.53 | Mikk | Where I can analyse them. |
| 02:46.08 | sylvanaar | you can look at a program too |
| 02:46.12 | Legorol | Mikk: i had a better example. When you read a book, the text is imprinted on your retina temporarily. |
| 02:46.28 | Legorol | It causes actual physical alterations in your retinal cells, quite literally burning a copy temporarily. |
| 02:46.36 | sylvanaar | no, you just remember what you read. |
| 02:46.37 | Mikk | I believe it's fairly well upheld that temporary copies required for the operation of a system are NOT copies as copyright law applies. |
| 02:46.46 | Mikk | This includes among other things web browser caches |
| 02:46.48 | Mikk | Which are even on disk |
| 02:46.51 | cog|away | see, this is actually what I love about litigation... Things are actually dealt with on a case-by-case basis (gee, where'd that term come from? :>) Even if you get a few dumbass decisions, overall it's FAR more just than arbitrary limitations (statutes) |
| 02:47.18 | cog|away | people make fun of Americans for being sue-happy... i'll take sue-happy over a police state any day |
| 02:47.30 | cog|away | and with that... |
| 02:47.34 | Arrowmaster | except its both |
| 02:47.34 | Legorol | cog|away: that's mostly true, the problem is when precedent screws all that. |
| 02:47.38 | sylvanaar | anyhow what's the outcome of that whole thing? |
| 02:47.40 | Shirik | I still like my example |
| 02:47.46 | Shirik | considering I now can sue 120 people |
| 02:47.48 | Legorol | One or two dumbass decisions in some cases, and it becomes law |
| 02:48.00 | Legorol | Instead of a proper law-making authority making it law |
| 02:48.01 | cog|rlyaway | Legorol: that's the thing about precedent, it's sticky but not permanent |
| 02:48.13 | Legorol | lol @ rlyaway |
| 02:48.15 | cog|rlyaway | there's always to go back |
| 02:48.17 | Legorol | you now need to change it to rlyrlyaway |
| 02:48.25 | sylvanaar | or srslyaway |
| 02:48.25 | Mikk | Is that why it's illegal for women to eat icecream on sundays in texas? |
| 02:48.25 | Gnarfoz | if case-by-case was the case, how would precedent even work |
| 02:48.54 | Legorol | sylvanaar: the outcome is that the court found mostly in favour of Blizz, and on a few minor points in favour of MDY |
| 02:49.00 | Legorol | and left a couple minor points up for trial |
| 02:49.30 | sylvanaar | you know, these kind of law suits are pretty important, and actually need to be heard to keep the laws up to date with current needs |
| 02:49.36 | Legorol | It was ruled that MDY has indeed nastily profited from, and knowingly induced people to break the EULA and as a result commit copyright infringement. |
| 02:49.39 | Gnarfoz | I dare them to try all that stuff again in non-US courts >_> (too bad US users wouldn't benefit one bit from that ^^) |
| 02:49.43 | Legorol | Inducing people to break copyright law is pretty serious. |
| 02:49.55 | sylvanaar | and they did - common sense tells you tha |
| 02:49.57 | sylvanaar | that |
| 02:50.27 | Legorol | sylvanaar: most of the case actually wasn't about whether they did it or not |
| 02:50.43 | Legorol | most of the points that were debated seemed to be about whether the users were breaking copyright law, or just breaching a contract |
| 02:51.30 | cogwheel | damnit |
| 02:51.33 | cogwheel | printer ran out of ink |
| 02:51.37 | Legorol | the court ruled that what the users did as a result of Glider was indeed breaking copyright law, and therefore what MDY did is serious |
| 02:51.38 | cogwheel | guess i'm reading this on screen :P |
| 02:52.48 | Shirik | tbh, I think Blizzard's approach was correct |
| 02:53.03 | Shirik | it's difficult to prove MDY is doing something wrong on the basis that they're encouraging users to break the TOS directly |
| 02:53.15 | Shirik | however, encouraging them to break copyright is a very well-debated issue :) |
| 02:53.29 | Shirik | what with napster and the like |
| 02:53.52 | Legorol | Shirik: Blizz even won the Blizzards Tortious Interference with Contract Claim |
| 02:54.04 | Shirik | oh yeah I forgot about that, you're right |
| 02:54.20 | Legorol | so MDY is slammed not only for encouraging copyright breaking, but also with the lesser crime of the tortious interference with contract. woot. |
| 02:54.48 | Legorol | btw, i really, really love this text |
| 02:55.00 | Legorol | it explains what you need to demonstrate to show that someone has broken copyright, etc. |
| 02:55.14 | Legorol | every time they make a ruling, they explain what it is they needed to show that the ruling is just |
| 02:55.19 | Legorol | Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not infringement for the |
| 02:55.19 | Legorol | owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of |
| 02:55.19 | Legorol | another copy or adaption of that computer program provided[] that such a new |
| 02:55.19 | Legorol | copy or adaption is created as an essential step in the utilization of the |
| 02:55.19 | Legorol | computer program[.] |
| 02:55.21 | Legorol | ooops |
| 02:55.24 | Legorol | sorry for that paste |
| 02:55.29 | Legorol | I didn't mean to do that :D |
| 02:55.52 | Legorol | Anyway now that I have, do read what I pasted, because that's one thing I *didn't* like. |
| 02:56.37 | Gnarfoz | doesn't that kind of... say the opposite of what's been said earlier? ;D |
| 02:56.39 | Legorol | That quote is from the copyright law, I think. And it allows you to copy the program into RAM, regardless of other limitations. The catch is: only if you are the owner. However, in the case of WoW (and most other software) you are not the owner, you are a licensee. |
| 02:56.49 | Legorol | So that part, in fact, doesn't apply at all. |
| 02:56.58 | Legorol | And the court points out the fact that it doesn't apply. |
| 02:56.58 | Gnarfoz | at least in the US |
| 02:57.40 | Legorol | Furthermore, what this means is that that paragraph in the law is useless: no sane lawyer working for a big software company would permit the users to become owners, they'd just be licensees. |
| 02:57.48 | Legorol | SO in practice it would never come into play :/ |
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| 02:58.00 | Gnarfoz | at least in the... |
| 02:58.07 | Gnarfoz | (I do keep repeating myself.^^) |
| 02:58.26 | cogwheel | anyone know how to get two-up fullscreen in acrobat reader? |
| 02:58.53 | Guillotine | step 1) one-up acrobat reader |
| 02:59.02 | Gnarfoz | step 2) install foxit reader |
| 02:59.10 | Guillotine | Step 3) ???? |
| 02:59.14 | Gnarfoz | etc. |
| 02:59.19 | Gnarfoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.52 | cogwheel | !profit |
| 02:59.59 | Gnarfoz | ~profit |
| 03:00.02 | purl | Low-level Open Flight support library. URL: http://www.sim.no/profit.html |
| 03:00.10 | Gnarfoz | interesting. |
| 03:00.24 | Legorol | cogwheel: i think the closest you can get is to change to View -> Page Layout -> Facing, and maximise the window. |
| 03:00.30 | Legorol | Don't thinky ou can get fullscreen on that :/ |
| 03:00.48 | cogwheel | have to get a trial of something scummy to get foxit reader |
| 03:01.05 | cogwheel | or am i misreading this? |
| 03:01.22 | Gnarfoz | what oO |
| 03:01.35 | Gnarfoz | you probably are ;) |
| 03:01.35 | cogwheel | http://www.trialpay.com/checkout/?c=b228e72&tid=9ahMJwa |
| 03:01.47 | Gnarfoz | wrong link |
| 03:01.52 | cogwheel | oh i have no doubt... i gave it a 70% chance |
| 03:01.52 | Gnarfoz | http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/reader_2/down_reader.htm |
| 03:02.07 | Gnarfoz | your's was below: " To get the Pro Pack for free, click here: " ;) |
| 03:02.37 | Gnarfoz | yeah, guess they're desparate, facing a competitor with 95% market share ^^ |
| 03:02.49 | Gnarfoz | also, adobe reader really can't do it? oO |
| 03:03.16 | cogwheel | closest i got before i asked was what Legorol suggested |
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| 03:04.49 | Gnarfoz | cogwheel: in foxit reader, it's under 'preferences -> full screen -> one page at a time' (that setting overrides whatever is set in windowed mode at the moment) |
| 03:05.03 | cogwheel | ty |
| 03:06.02 | bleeter | kd3: 'sudo yum install xdotool'; cat /usr/share/doc/xdotool*/examples/ffsp.sh << have some 'fun' on me ;) |
| 03:06.10 | cogwheel | schweet |
| 03:06.38 | cogwheel | (@ Gnarfoz) |
| 03:06.51 | bleeter | kd3: just go writing sneaky python scripts to interact with xdotool ;) |
| 03:06.53 | bleeter | er |
| 03:06.54 | bleeter | DONT |
| 03:06.55 | bleeter | heck |
| 03:07.02 | bleeter | kd3: don't :P |
| 03:07.18 | kd3 | o_O; |
| 03:07.19 | kd3 | lol |
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| 03:07.42 | Gnarfoz | btw, it has that little ad in the top right. that goes away once you uncheck it under view and quit afterwards. funny ;> |
| 03:08.17 | Gnarfoz | s/. f/ about 5 times .f/ |
| 03:08.27 | Gnarfoz | almost. |
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| 03:08.39 | cogwheel | heh |
| 03:08.39 | Gnarfoz | at least the sentence still makes sense. ;> |
| 03:08.46 | cogwheel | seems to be playing nice so far |
| 03:09.40 | cogwheel | wow... i just discovered my monitor's brightness presets... one of them makes bright white look like console white... nice for reading :) |
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| 03:13.23 | Shirik | so where does Blizzard put patches on Vista, again? |
| 03:13.43 | cogwheel | cache |
| 03:14.27 | Shirik | er, wha? |
| 03:15.18 | cogwheel | oh sry... |
| 03:15.25 | cogwheel | umm. google virtual store |
| 03:15.47 | cogwheel | (add wow even... might make it easier :P ) |
| 03:15.54 | Shirik | oh it's in the virtual store? |
| 03:15.59 | cogwheel | afaik |
| 03:16.02 | Shirik | I know where that is by heart :P |
| 03:16.07 | Shirik | I thought it was put somewhere else though |
| 03:16.10 | cogwheel | it normally downloads to WoW\Cache\Patches |
| 03:16.25 | cogwheel | least last i looked... |
| 03:17.14 | cogwheel | things like this make me want to give up teh drinkin': "MDY characterizes itself as an innovator and entrepreneur, and claims that Blizzard seeks improperly to use the copyright laws to squelch competition and stifle innovation." |
| 03:17.32 | Shirik | I'm an idiot |
| 03:17.40 | Shirik | .... I don't have WoW installed in program files |
| 03:17.40 | cogwheel | ~failrik |
| 03:17.41 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 03:18.00 | cogwheel | ~!fail shirik |
| 03:18.12 | cogwheel | (for not having it in Program files) |
| 03:18.33 | Shirik | what, why? |
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| 03:19.12 | cogwheel | that was an un-fail |
| 03:19.17 | Shirik | oh |
| 03:19.20 | Shirik | ~ for not |
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| 03:19.25 | Shirik | or ! for not |
| 03:19.28 | Shirik | AHH |
| 03:19.29 | Shirik | I can't tell ' |
| 03:19.32 | cogwheel | ~ for purl, ! for not |
| 03:19.39 | Shirik | why isn't it ~~ |
| 03:19.45 | Shirik | or what if it was a batbot command |
| 03:19.49 | Shirik | in which case it could be !~ |
| 03:19.54 | cogwheel | 'cause that would've looked like one o them cutesy anime emoticons |
| 03:19.59 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:20.08 | cogwheel | ^_^ |
| 03:20.19 | Shirik | ^_^; |
| 03:21.07 | cogwheel | <(^^<) |
| 03:21.17 | sylvanaar | have you seen my program files folder post? |
| 03:21.26 | cogwheel | mebbeh |
| 03:21.39 | haste | ï¼ã´_ã`ï¼ï¾ï½°ï¾ |
| 03:21.49 | cogwheel | O.o |
| 03:22.31 | sylvanaar | all the references to fail... |
| 03:22.38 | haste | hehe |
| 03:23.11 | Shirik | ooh |
| 03:23.12 | cogwheel | +in a screen session and actually... |
| 03:23.14 | Shirik | kanas! |
| 03:23.17 | Shirik | <3 haste |
| 03:23.41 | haste | fear uim-fep ! |
| 03:23.49 | Shirik | my client doesn't like kanas too much |
| 03:23.52 | batrick | shirik |
| 03:23.56 | Shirik | it becomes ??? ?? ????? ? |
| 03:24.03 | batrick | get some really tough qyuestions ready for Clad tomorrow for his presentation |
| 03:24.05 | haste | suckage |
| 03:24.08 | Shirik | rofl |
| 03:24.13 | Shirik | what am I going to ask him |
| 03:24.15 | Shirik | I already know the answers |
| 03:24.16 | batrick | iono |
| 03:24.47 | batrick | the audio feed wasn't working :( |
| 03:24.54 | batrick | hope it works tomorrow |
| 03:24.58 | Shirik | btw, cogwheel |
| 03:25.01 | Shirik | I found where it was put |
| 03:25.03 | batrick | I want to hear roberto's presentation |
| 03:25.13 | Shirik | This is going to take me a while to figure out |
| 03:25.18 | Shirik | (1) how it go there in the first place |
| 03:25.27 | Shirik | and (2) why wow even knows of this folder |
| 03:25.33 | Shirik | but.... it put the patch in C:\Users\mpdelbuono\nbs-irc |
| 03:25.41 | Shirik | nbs-irc being my IRC client's folder |
| 03:28.05 | cogwheel | . |
| 03:28.05 | cogwheel | . |
| 03:28.10 | haste | .. |
| 03:28.13 | haste | .. |
| 03:28.14 | batrick | ... |
| 03:28.43 | Shirik | batbot: for x = 1,3 do print(("."):rep(4)) end |
| 03:28.49 | Shirik | :< |
| 03:28.58 | Thunder_Child | nbs fails |
| 03:29.07 | Shirik | --> for x = 1,3 do print(("."):rep(4)) end |
| 03:29.08 | batbot | Shirik: ............ |
| 03:29.11 | selckin | âââ |
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| 03:29.22 | haste | <Thunder_Child>s/nbs/mIRC/ |
| 03:29.26 | cogwheel | >:D |
| 03:29.37 | Shirik | nbs is awesome |
| 03:29.39 | Shirik | mirc is not |
| 03:29.42 | Thunder_Child | haste, you fail |
| 03:29.51 | haste | lies |
| 03:29.59 | Shirik | however, find me something that is as awesome as nbs-irc to switch to |
| 03:30.01 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i found nns to be better jtne nbs |
| 03:30.03 | Shirik | I will do it in a heartbeat |
| 03:30.07 | Shirik | I can't stand nns |
| 03:30.16 | Shirik | I used that and sysreset for a while |
| 03:30.23 | batrick | Shirik: |
| 03:30.27 | batrick | !g irssi |
| 03:30.28 | batbot | batrick: Irssi - The client of the future <http://www.irssi.org/> |
| 03:30.29 | batrick | gg |
| 03:30.36 | Shirik | I use irssi when I'm on linux :P |
| 03:30.36 | haste | go irssi! |
| 03:30.45 | cogwheel | Shirik: do what i did! |
| 03:30.45 | haste | x-chat with lua on windows! |
| 03:30.46 | Shirik | my linux box which I JUST FINISHED COMPILING |
| 03:30.48 | Shirik | and then |
| 03:30.53 | Shirik | a new kernel comes out |
| 03:30.59 | Shirik | like literally 10 minutes after I finally finish |
| 03:31.05 | batrick | ... you compile your kernel by hand? |
| 03:31.24 | Shirik | define "by hand" |
| 03:31.28 | batrick | gcc |
| 03:31.38 | Shirik | if "by hand" you mean make menuconfig; make && make modules_install; |
| 03:31.39 | Shirik | then yes |
| 03:31.48 | batrick | noob |
| 03:31.54 | batrick | !g ubuntu |
| 03:31.55 | batbot | batrick: Ubuntu Home Page | Ubuntu <http://www.ubuntu.com/> |
| 03:31.55 | batrick | gogo |
| 03:31.59 | Shirik | screw ubuntu |
| 03:32.00 | haste | lol |
| 03:32.07 | haste | needs more gentoo! |
| 03:32.09 | batrick | ok fine |
| 03:32.11 | batrick | !g debian |
| 03:32.13 | batbot | batrick: Debian -- The Universal Operating System <http://www.debian.org/> |
| 03:32.18 | Shirik | debian I could consider |
| 03:32.24 | Shirik | but why, after all that work I have a system that works! |
| 03:32.45 | batrick | you sound more like microsoft every day |
| 03:32.46 | cogwheel | i never could get gentoo working well enough to feel satisfied |
| 03:32.58 | Shirik | <for ScytheBlade1>AND IT'S FULLY OPTIMIZED FOR MY SYSTEM AND HAS NOTHING I DON'T NEED, YAY USE FLAGS ZOMG</for ScytheBlade1> |
| 03:33.01 | cogwheel | lost patience after the 3rd 20-ish hour compilathon |
| 03:33.15 | Shirik | batrick: What if I eventually got a job at microsoft |
| 03:33.25 | batrick | ill lose all respect for u |
| 03:33.34 | Shirik | you have respect for me? |
| 03:33.34 | haste | cogwheel: compilind with a 350MHz or something? |
| 03:33.40 | batrick | maybe! |
| 03:33.47 | Shirik | I mean |
| 03:33.51 | Shirik | I use C++, which you hate |
| 03:33.51 | cogwheel | umm... i think it was an amd 3000+ |
| 03:33.57 | Shirik | I have an MSDN subscription, and you hate microsoft |
| 03:34.05 | haste | I have a 3700+ |
| 03:34.07 | Shirik | I use mIRC, no comment |
| 03:34.09 | batrick | you're braving computer engineering |
| 03:34.09 | bleeter | bleedin' ricers |
| 03:34.13 | batrick | so you get some there :P |
| 03:34.14 | Shirik | ah yes, CE |
| 03:34.27 | Shirik | CE points are win |
| 03:34.29 | haste | kdelibs takes by far the longest to comile |
| 03:34.30 | batrick | plus |
| 03:34.32 | haste | 45min or so |
| 03:34.35 | Shirik | oh my life, kde |
| 03:34.38 | cogwheel | i have an e8500 now :P |
| 03:34.43 | batrick | you're bravely porting filum to winblows |
| 03:34.49 | haste | Shirik: I DID IT FOR KTOUCH |
| 03:34.52 | Shirik | I emerge kde, I notice it's taking a while so I go away to have dinner at outback |
| 03:34.59 | Shirik | 2 hours later I come back, it's still compiling |
| 03:35.02 | haste | I use wmii D: |
| 03:35.02 | Shirik | AND THEN |
| 03:35.06 | Shirik | it's finally done |
| 03:35.07 | cogwheel | had to get ourselves a FEW goodies with the leftovers from the home purchase :P |
| 03:35.12 | Shirik | and I didn't set the use flags right |
| 03:35.16 | haste | haha |
| 03:35.24 | Shirik | fortunately rebuilding it didn't take too too long |
| 03:35.25 | kd3 | ~failrk |
| 03:35.37 | batrick | no u fail |
| 03:35.37 | haste | Shirik: I hope you use ccache |
| 03:35.57 | haste | oh god D: |
| 03:36.10 | haste | Shirik: http://ccache.samba.org/ |
| 03:36.27 | haste | both portage and paludis support it |
| 03:36.29 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 03:36.34 | haste | and the two other managers |
| 03:36.38 | Diskmaster | ... |
| 03:36.44 | Diskmaster | How long have you used gentoo |
| 03:36.56 | bleeter | any length is too long :P |
| 03:37.02 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 03:37.03 | haste | since 1.4 or so |
| 03:37.18 | bleeter | ccache, yet something else australian |
| 03:37.26 | Diskmaster | Sorry, that should have been prefixed with Shirik: |
| 03:37.31 | bleeter | geez, openssl, samba... you guys would be screwed without us :P |
| 03:37.49 | Shirik | me? Maybe half a year to a year or so, I just don't use anything extravagant. My entire use of gentoo has been either on servers or embedded systems |
| 03:37.49 | Shirik | neither of which have to deal with (a) wireless drivers, or (b) graphical interfaces |
| 03:37.55 | Gnarfoz | ricer servers, w00t :> |
| 03:38.12 | Gnarfoz | anyway, nn |
| 03:38.57 | cogwheel | bleeter: you guys are even helping put out the top half of my state... |
| 03:39.09 | bleeter | lolwut? |
| 03:39.13 | bleeter | that sounds real bad |
| 03:39.29 | cogwheel | there was a news story about aussies & kiwis helping fight fires in n. calif |
| 03:39.37 | bleeter | oh yeah |
| 03:39.44 | bleeter | our guys have gone over 'coz it's quiet here atm |
| 03:39.50 | cogwheel | hehe |
| 03:40.17 | Shirik | Diskmaster, curious why do you ask? |
| 03:41.03 | Diskmaster | Just curiousity, I suppose. |
| 03:41.14 | bleeter | patch night tonight guys? |
| 03:41.30 | cogwheel | did it say extended? i don't remember |
| 03:41.39 | cogwheel | i do think they said they'd be going down though |
| 03:41.42 | kd3 | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert |
| 03:41.48 | bleeter | 3-11AM |
| 03:42.02 | bleeter | which is... iirc, extended (usually 5AM due to Oceanics?) |
| 03:42.21 | bleeter | changed around a bit lately, so can't recall myself hehe |
| 03:42.23 | cogwheel | they've been doing extendeds a lot recently, afaik |
| 03:42.37 | Shirik | anyway, back to my other question |
| 03:42.42 | Shirik | PTR remains up while live is down, yes? |
| 03:42.47 | kd3 | ya |
| 03:42.52 | Shirik | good good |
| 03:42.58 | bleeter | yeah, something tells me they'll have scaling issues if the pop growth @ WotLK hits the same as the pop growth we saw @ BC |
| 03:42.58 | cogwheel | unless they're patching :P |
| 03:42.58 | Shirik | OH Guillotine! |
| 03:43.03 | Shirik | Guillotine: ping |
| 03:43.11 | Guillotine | what? WHERE? |
| 03:43.12 | bleeter | so hopefully it's a buncha tuning |
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| 03:53.51 | Shirik | anyway, night all |
| 03:54.01 | Nechckn | ./wave |
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| 04:00.04 | Sixen | Hmph. |
| 04:00.15 | Sixen | No extended Maintenance for tomorrow. |
| 04:04.38 | Nechckn | Okay.. need suggestions for sending $$ to someone with no internet access in the US |
| 04:04.58 | Nechckn | is Western Union still like "the way"? |
| 04:09.15 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits : A place to watch active development of World of Warcraft addons. Multiple Sites' CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Beta opt-in: https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/beta-opt-in.html || New site to check out: http://beta.wowcorefive.com/ |
| 04:09.46 | Corrodias | CHECK IT OUT |
| 04:11.39 | Diskmaster | Obligitory IT'S A TRAP |
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| 04:11.43 | Dreagar | omfg, i just got the movie, The Onion News... holy crap it just started and i'm gonna p my pants it's so funny. |
| 04:12.17 | Thunder_Child | omg, Cairenn's linking keylogging websites for personal gain |
| 04:13.10 | Cairenn | gimmah ur monez |
| 04:13.39 | Nechckn | lol |
| 04:13.51 | Nechckn | That Cairenn, always with a hand in my wallet |
| 04:14.18 | Cairenn | haven't heard you complaining Nechckn - you just like the feel of my hand on your ass :p |
| 04:14.48 | Thunder_Child | that isnt the worst part, the worst part is when Cairenn takes your pants as well |
| 04:14.53 | Nechckn | did I mention I keep my wallet in my front pocket? |
| 04:14.56 | Nechckn | ./woof! |
| 04:15.11 | Thunder_Child | the woman has no shame |
| 04:15.42 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn might like it |
| 04:16.37 | Dreagar | ok, this movie isn't even 5 min in. and i'm going to have to suggest it to all of you. haven't seena movie this funny in... years. |
| 04:18.39 | Dreagar | Georgia just suggested adding a swaztika, and the middle finger to it's state falg. |
| 04:18.45 | Dreagar | flag even |
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| 04:28.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait a minute |
| 04:28.19 | ScytheBlade1 | WHERE DID MY PANTS GO? |
| 04:28.30 | Thunder_Child | to Cairenn's pants collection |
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| 04:28.39 | Thunder_Child | it's a very very large collection |
| 04:29.07 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn nees a small mountan to hide them at this point |
| 04:29.12 | Thunder_Child | needs* |
| 04:29.50 | Thunder_Child | mountain* |
| 04:30.35 | Thunder_Child | that only works if you were ever innocent.... |
| 04:30.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Why does is she collecting pants? |
| 04:30.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ... and why does she want the entire channel to be pantsless? |
| 04:30.56 | Thunder_Child | why do people collect coins? |
| 04:31.09 | ScytheBlade1 | That alone seems the furthest away from innocent that I've heard really heard anyone of being |
| 04:31.16 | Thunder_Child | she doesnt, she just wants the pants, the second part is icing |
| 04:32.49 | Thunder_Child | i has none of any of that |
| 04:32.57 | Thunder_Child | nor pants come to think of it |
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| 04:40.30 | Dreagar | the government just made a new law, prohibiting smoking to one 10X10 room in iowa. Smokers from all over america made the trip to sneak a smoke on their lunch breaks. |
| 04:41.21 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: ping |
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| 04:47.28 | Cairenn | so, you guys already discuss the Blizz win over Glider? |
| 04:47.47 | Dreagar | scroll up. lol |
| 04:47.49 | Thunder_Child | i think so, i cought the tail end of a multi-hour talk |
| 04:47.55 | Thunder_Child | caught* |
| 04:47.59 | Cairenn | I was out, that's why I asked |
| 04:51.13 | bleeter | Cairenn: missed it... too pissed off at a GM telling customers that AA eats mail attachments |
| 04:51.30 | Cairenn | fun |
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| 05:04.22 | dread | anyone get into the beta for wrath? |
| 05:05.33 | Legorol | there is no beta yet |
| 05:06.11 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: pong |
| 05:06.31 | dread | sign up from the beta or whatever...did anyone sign up for it? |
| 05:06.33 | bleeter | Cairenn: Just annoyed that we got told via some 3rd party on the CSF, rather than via Zoot/Hortus/Slouken than our addon eats mails and Blizz are advising people to not use it |
| 05:06.45 | bleeter | Cairenn: we'd at least have half a chance of fixing code/proving them wrong |
| 05:06.48 | Cairenn | *nod* understandable |
| 05:07.02 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: pong |
| 05:07.03 | ScytheBlade1 | ;P |
| 05:07.04 | bleeter | where you can s/annoyed/(channel breaking expletives)/ |
| 05:07.11 | Nechckn | I blame kandoko for it... so I feel better. |
| 05:07.12 | Cairenn | heh |
| 05:07.22 | Nechckn | Oh... and Cairenn, too. |
| 05:07.24 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903762396&sid=1&pageNo=8#157 |
| 05:07.28 | bleeter | ^^ ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:07.40 | Nechckn | all of that pant-stealing leads to mailboxes being destroyed, I tell ya |
| 05:07.44 | bleeter | malkorix going off like a frog in a sock |
| 05:07.52 | Legorol | I read that post and, frankly, I don't see how they can establish causality, at best correlation. |
| 05:08.17 | bleeter | Legorol: I'm 9/10th's convinced the GM gave up 'coz something didn't make sense, saw that the addon was at least loaded and decided to blame that |
| 05:08.32 | Legorol | it sounds a bit more educated than that |
| 05:08.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Said addons *does* interact with the mailbox |
| 05:08.45 | Legorol | this guy had the skill to pull up logs with specific timing, that's something |
| 05:08.48 | bleeter | I've seen some pretty mad stuff in CSF |
| 05:08.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Does MP know? |
| 05:09.00 | bleeter | eg, GMs telling folks how to sell gold for $$ without breaking rules |
| 05:09.07 | kandoko | ~lart Nechckn |
| 05:09.07 | purl | wallops Nechckn with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 05:09.13 | Legorol | also, i take it back, Malkorix didn't mention causality, just correlation. |
| 05:09.16 | Legorol | read it wrong the first time |
| 05:10.28 | Legorol | bleeter, also, you never know, there could be a weird bug in some of the mail APIs, that happen to be triggered by AA |
| 05:10.53 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: ping |
| 05:10.53 | bleeter | I wonder... |
| 05:11.01 | Nechckn | ScytheBlade1 yes... but he's not on atm |
| 05:11.05 | Legorol | Malkorix's elusive comment as to what exactly is going on to me suggests that there may be a Blizz bug involved, which he wouldn't be able to admit. |
| 05:11.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Nechckn: ah, k |
| 05:11.29 | bleeter | as it's possible to 'lose' items when you desync between an instance and the world, so items 'disappear', might it also be possible for stuff to desync between mail and your bags due to something or other else |
| 05:11.32 | Legorol | still, the post could've been phrased better |
| 05:11.58 | Legorol | bleeter: read the thread, it's specifically about bouncing mail. |
| 05:12.03 | selckin | only human |
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| 05:12.20 | Nechckn | Legorol and that's the biggest issue, really... we only heard by having a person post a link to the Blizz board on our msg board |
| 05:12.21 | bleeter | Legorol: yes, bouncing mail. but if they did try to pick it up, it desynced and the item 'vanished'... |
| 05:12.48 | bleeter | i'm just musing on remote possibilities, we've re-evaluated the beancounter code, the claim makes very little sense |
| 05:13.03 | Legorol | Ok guys, I'm on your side here, but don't be all up in arms :) Blizz can't be expected to notify addon authors of problems with their addons. |
| 05:13.14 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 05:13.15 | ScytheBlade1 | That |
| 05:13.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Point me to a comprehensive addon developer list that remains up to date within even a week and then MAYBE. |
| 05:13.39 | dread | I just read his post, and 1 he's pretty stupid for using the mailbox for storage and 2 I don't get why he thinks blizzard 'robbed' him. |
| 05:13.43 | Legorol | What is more likely is that it's a combination of a Blizz bug and a specific addon action, which brings the problem to the surface. |
| 05:14.06 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: well contacting AA's authors isn't exactly hard. |
| 05:14.13 | Legorol | Still, I wouldn't expect Blizz to do it. |
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| 05:14.21 | bleeter | particularly when one's a big time regular on CSF ;) :P |
| 05:14.22 | Legorol | That's what users are for: they will bring the complaints. |
| 05:14.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol: no. but how would a CSF rep go about finding them? why are the AA devs special to the point where they deserve to be contacted? |
| 05:14.45 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: exactly |
| 05:14.59 | Legorol | I'm saying it's not an issue with reachability, it's a matter of principle |
| 05:15.01 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: no, before any public allegation is made it's only fair and reasonable that the authors are sought for a response |
| 05:15.12 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: not their jobs, sorry |
| 05:15.19 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: addons are 100% unsupported and you know that as well as I |
| 05:15.23 | Legorol | bleeter: not in the case of addons |
| 05:15.37 | Legorol | I do think the blizz poster went about it the wrong way. |
| 05:15.37 | ScytheBlade1 | s/100%/110%/ |
| 05:15.46 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.56 | Legorol | He should've said: the evidence suggests that such and such addon might be causing it. Take it up with their author, or don't use addons. |
| 05:16.01 | Legorol | That'd have been a perfectly valid response. |
| 05:16.40 | selckin | be glad you got a response, hes only human too, not a pr guy |
| 05:16.47 | ScytheBlade1 | As a note, yeah, the guy is a MORON for keeping hundreds of thousands of items in the mail. |
| 05:16.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Like, wtf |
| 05:16.52 | Legorol | The thing I don't like about the post is that it's only alluding to AA. |
| 05:17.11 | Legorol | Either be direct (nothing wrong with blaming an addon), or don't imply stuff. Circumstantial winky winky statements are silly. |
| 05:18.08 | MentalPower | Well, we've always encountered "Internal Mail Database Errors" when using addons to manage mail |
| 05:18.31 | Legorol | The curious post is this one: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903762396&sid=1&pageNo=9#162 |
| 05:18.51 | Legorol | Why is there something they can't reveal it in public? |
| 05:19.02 | Legorol | The only reasonable explanation I can think of is a (potentially exploitable) bug |
| 05:19.05 | ScytheBlade1 | If I was /guessing/ |
| 05:19.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd say they didn't want to directly point fingers |
| 05:19.28 | Legorol | The post I linked sounds more cloak and dagger than that. |
| 05:19.35 | Legorol | If they don't want to point fingers, there are ways to do that. |
| 05:19.46 | Legorol | "Sorry, I can't tell you which addon and why it is causing problems". |
| 05:20.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Honestly? At this point? I think we're overanalyzing some guy's post a bit too much :P |
| 05:20.06 | Legorol | possibly |
| 05:20.21 | Legorol | Do note that he passed it onto the QA team though |
| 05:20.29 | Legorol | You wouldn't if it was purely an addon issue |
| 05:20.41 | Legorol | fairly nuff |
| 05:20.42 | ScytheBlade1 | The Auctioneer people have been contacted before |
| 05:20.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure, different issue |
| 05:20.51 | ScytheBlade1 | (Entirelu) |
| 05:20.54 | ScytheBlade1 | *Entirely |
| 05:21.13 | selckin | what about? |
| 05:21.13 | ScytheBlade1 | But I CAN see them investigating when they feel an addon as widely used as Auctioneer is going about deleting mail |
| 05:21.16 | Legorol | are you talking about the old incarnation of bottomscanner? |
| 05:21.22 | bleeter | from my understanding, given GetAll, we're moderately frequently in contact ;) |
| 05:21.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure they'd be VERY proactive if it meant the difference between 10,000 GM tickets and 0 |
| 05:21.47 | ScytheBlade1 | So to that end I can see reason to pass it on to QA, better safe than sorry |
| 05:21.50 | Legorol | anyway, bottom line: everyone's right :) |
| 05:22.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I can take that |
| 05:24.34 | ScytheBlade1 | (And yes I was) |
| 05:24.42 | ScytheBlade1 | (That I never used, or heard of, until it was 'gone') |
| 05:31.24 | bleeter | wereHamster: yay! we can annoy christians again! |
| 05:31.55 | bleeter | (there was a law introduced in Sydney for 'world youth day' that banned you from 'annoying' any attendees, but they were free to annoy you) |
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| 05:35.49 | Sixen | =x |
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| 05:43.53 | Sixen | PTR is still up, amirite? |
| 05:45.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 05:45.37 | Sixen | Mmmm, thought so. |
| 05:58.16 | Sixen | Hm? |
| 05:58.24 | Sixen | They usually don't post maintenance in tech support every tuesday.. |
| 05:58.41 | Sixen | Do they? (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903707276) |
| 05:58.55 | bleeter | they're getting better at spreading the Alert |
| 05:59.14 | bleeter | doing stuff like putting it in forums, getting it up more than 1 hour before downtime, etc. |
| 05:59.25 | bleeter | they even ONCE put Aussie time in brackets in the alert! |
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| 06:04.47 | Sixen | hahah |
| 06:15.12 | Nechckn | Aussie time, what they put up a certain number of beer mugs? |
| 06:16.26 | Nechckn | Ub Ub Ub Oh no honey, looks like the servers are going down in 3 pints |
| 06:16.59 | Thunder_Child | thats like 3 seconds then? |
| 06:17.24 | Nechckn | I imagine so... only bleeter or norgs can tell us for sure |
| 06:17.45 | Nechckn | (or maybe you can, if you're from upside-down world, too) =) |
| 06:18.31 | Nechckn | I was pretty happy with my "mug" representations, if I do say so myself. |
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| 06:34.27 | bleeter | Nechckn: 1.5 seconds... two hands, see; one beer per hand ;) |
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| 06:37.56 | Thunder_Child | Nechckn, neither aussie or a drinker of spirits |
| 06:38.32 | Nechckn | bleeter ah, good point that we missed. ;-) |
| 06:39.03 | Nechckn | Thunder_Child interesting.... any other clues? |
| 06:39.20 | Nechckn | oh wait, thought this was one of those crazy game shows! |
| 06:40.22 | Nechckn | I was expecting Howie Mandell to hop out of my LCD and bite me, whilst he pets the "Hot Mommas" who hold all of those cases just filled with money. |
| 06:41.05 | Nechckn | Bah.. tired... off for now, you all take care and hold onto your pants, or Cairenn will steal 'em! |
| 06:41.48 | bleeter | oO |
| 06:41.51 | bleeter | lol cya Nechckn |
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| 07:57.06 | Sixen | PTR Down for anyone now? |
| 07:57.20 | bleeter | messages I wanna see more of: 'Unknown is now being ignored' |
| 07:57.52 | Sixen | bleeter, got the PTR installed by any chance? |
| 07:58.14 | bleeter | somewhere |
| 07:58.34 | Sixen | Any chance you can try logging in? =). |
| 08:00.26 | Sixen | Hmph. Seems like the PTR is in fact down. |
| 08:03.52 | bleeter | PTR down before maint is 'usually' a sign that patch is going live, tho sometimes it's not |
| 08:03.54 | Thunder_Child | bleeter it's resonable, people fear that which they do not understand |
| 08:05.12 | Sixen | Truth. |
| 08:10.28 | bleeter | Sixen: Gets stuck at 'authenticating' for me |
| 08:10.57 | Sixen | Mmmm, alright. |
| 08:11.01 | Sixen | Thanks bleet, ;). |
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| 08:21.14 | Sixen | Seems like only the Authentication servers may be down. |
| 08:21.20 | Sixen | Not 100% sure though. |
| 08:25.47 | Thunder_Child | blizzard hates you Sixen |
| 08:35.56 | Fisker- | patch tiems? |
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| 08:51.18 | cncfanatics | omg |
| 08:51.23 | cncfanatics | I'm going to have to reduce myself to playing runescape :( |
| 08:54.47 | Lukian | US realms down in ~1hr |
| 08:55.05 | Lukian | 8hrs downtime |
| 08:56.49 | bleeter | heathen |
| 08:56.57 | bleeter | play Maelstrom |
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| 10:21.36 | bleeter | I do like how Blizz get away with saying 'there's no public beta' type of stuff when PatchSequence tells a slightly different story ;) |
| 10:21.55 | hipjipp^ | hehe.. :P |
| 10:23.45 | cnc|food | bleeter: PatchSequence ? |
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| 10:24.44 | bleeter | the http file the client uses to work out if it needs patching |
| 10:25.01 | cnc|food | link |
| 10:26.34 | Kalroth | lol |
| 10:26.44 | Drundia | it's really funny that alpha uses public release PatchSequenceFile |
| 10:26.56 | bleeter | http://us.scan.worldofwarcraft.com/update/PatchSequenceFile.txt |
| 10:27.25 | bleeter | and of course, funnier that on a potential patch night, folks go looking at the file instead of firing up the game to find out if they need to get a patch ;) |
| 10:27.40 | cnc|food | y ? :o |
| 10:27.45 | cnc|food | ah i see |
| 10:27.49 | cnc|food | look at the file, go to wowwiki, download |
| 10:27.54 | cnc|food | might as well go to wowwiki right away |
| 10:27.55 | Drundia | i think game receives it from login servers, only launcher uses that file |
| 10:28.02 | nevcairiel | 2.4.2.8301 |
| 10:28.03 | nevcairiel | huh |
| 10:28.35 | Fisker- | bleeter they're not |
| 10:28.37 | Drundia | mac maybe? |
| 10:28.47 | Gngsk | hey nevcairiel, I haven't checked out bt4 but I just noticed your last commit, is autoassist some sort of implied targeting? |
| 10:28.50 | Fisker- | When the beta is opened the NDA will be lifted and the forums will be readable |
| 10:29.29 | cnc|food | Gngsk: its a feature that when you're targetting a friendly mob and casting a hostile only spell you'll automaticly assist said friendly mob |
| 10:29.58 | cnc|food | bleeter: how can u make up if u need a patch from that file ? |
| 10:30.10 | cnc|food | extra line after the 2.4.2 build ? |
| 10:30.17 | Gngsk | cnc|food, how about the opposite way? aka targeting a hostile, cast a beneficial spell? |
| 10:30.21 | bleeter | nevcairiel: 8301's prolly Trial, ie they released 2.4.0 for trial, and 2.4.2 didn't bother with 2.4.1 |
| 10:30.40 | bleeter | cnc|food: yeah, you'll see your current version and build with a dash then the new one to d/l |
| 10:30.42 | cnc|food | Gngsk: would most probably work too |
| 10:30.51 | Gngsk | this is great news |
| 10:30.59 | cnc|food | Gngsk: thats old news though |
| 10:31.06 | Artmi | aye, i used to use macros for that kinda thing |
| 10:31.09 | Artmi | a long time ago :P |
| 10:31.09 | cnc|food | cld already be done with various other stuff for a while :p |
| 10:31.11 | Gngsk | just cause it's old doesn't make it un great |
| 10:31.17 | cnc|food | can do it without macros in fb iirc |
| 10:31.18 | Gngsk | I've been using bt3+macrotexter |
| 10:31.26 | Artmi | for example(as healer), have boss targeted, and have a macro that targets the Targets Target |
| 10:31.29 | Artmi | and heal automatically :P |
| 10:31.39 | cnc|food | Artmi: only useful for holy palas |
| 10:31.54 | Artmi | cnc|food, i have a holy pala :P |
| 10:31.57 | Artmi | and a priest |
| 10:32.02 | Artmi | amongst others |
| 10:32.05 | cnc|food | a priest won't want to just spam the mt ? |
| 10:32.17 | cnc|food | I got a pala (has been holy for a while) and a nearly 70 resto druid |
| 10:32.18 | Artmi | cnc|food, normally, no, but pre-expansion |
| 10:32.22 | Artmi | i am horde |
| 10:32.28 | cnc|food | I am also horde :) |
| 10:32.32 | nevcairiel | i used to have macros for that, so i coded it in bt4 |
| 10:32.32 | Artmi | pre-expansion we had priest Main healer for a while |
| 10:32.36 | Artmi | on bosses, which was me |
| 10:32.39 | Artmi | but that was many years ago |
| 10:33.56 | Artmi | nevcairiel, that's a really nice feature to be honest, gotta download the new version :) |
| 10:34.05 | Artmi | even if i'm now adays mostly play mage |
| 10:34.13 | Fisker- | yay cog|away |
| 10:34.16 | Fisker- | i has my authenticator nau |
| 10:34.50 | Artmi | Fisker-, got a chance to try it out yet? |
| 10:35.01 | Artmi | Is it working as intended |
| 10:35.11 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 10:35.27 | Fisker- | Though if you are quick enough you'll have to wait for the token to make a new code |
| 10:36.54 | nevcairiel | so mmo-champion claims that patch will definately hit |
| 10:37.11 | bleeter | the proof? |
| 10:37.26 | nevcairiel | none whatsoever |
| 10:38.13 | bleeter | the best type |
| 10:38.18 | bleeter | I rely on that all the time ;) |
| 10:39.08 | wereHamster | bleeter: what has that to do with me? I'm not annoying anyone, or so I hope |
| 10:39.18 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: No public proof anyways. :) |
| 10:39.39 | Cairenn | can still log in, servers haven't gone down for maintenance/patch yet, so can't tell you |
| 10:39.51 | Kalroth | I'm sure Bibi wouldn't post it without a strong hint/clue from someone/somewhere. |
| 10:39.56 | JoshBorke | ~emulate Josh_Borke |
| 10:39.58 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn |
| 10:40.06 | Kalroth | ~hug purl |
| 10:40.07 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs purl |
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| 11:24.41 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.54 | cladhaire | I want to present it today |
| 11:28.27 | cnc|work | hmmm can't find it cladhaire :( |
| 11:28.38 | cladhaire | bugger =( |
| 11:28.41 | cladhaire | i missedhim last night |
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| 11:32.26 | bleeter | wereHamster: my bad, wrong chan |
| 11:33.30 | cnc|work | cladhaire: shouldn't it be mentioned in the irc logs somewher e? |
| 11:33.33 | cnc|work | ~guillotine |
| 11:33.34 | purl | somebody said guillotine was a staff member of Curse-Gaming.com and a member of the Cosmos Team. His hobbies include being repetitive, programming addons, being repetitive, teasing Cairenn, being repetitive, and teasing everyone else. |
| 11:33.48 | cladhaire | in theory but I haven't been able to find it. |
| 11:34.33 | Nargiddley | I've found a post where he mentions it on the forums, but I can only get the google cache of it. Server Busy :/ |
| 11:34.48 | bleeter | cached? |
| 11:34.57 | bleeter | *google's chaced it? |
| 11:34.59 | bleeter | bah |
| 11:35.11 | Nargiddley | cached a search result with it in |
| 11:35.32 | Nargiddley | http://www.google.com/search?q=wow+phonemes+guillotine |
| 11:37.31 | Shirik|AFK | cladhaire: I grabbed it |
| 11:37.45 | Shirik|AFK | found him last night |
| 11:37.51 | cladhaire | Nargiddley: Shirik|AFK: <3 |
| 11:38.53 | cnc|work | Shirik|AFK: could u link me too ? I'd like to check it out |
| 11:39.24 | Shirik|AFK | I don't have a link, he just sent it to me, but I don't know how public he wants it to be so I should probably check with him first :/ |
| 11:39.37 | cnc|work | ah ok |
| 11:39.41 | cladhaire | well its being presented today, tho I won't release the code :P |
| 11:39.41 | cnc|work | I'll wait till he's online and ask then |
| 11:39.56 | cnc|work | cladhaire: presenting it where ? :o |
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| 11:40.04 | cladhaire | at the Lua workshop |
| 11:40.17 | cnc|work | lua workshop in ? |
| 11:40.18 | Shirik|AFK | shoulda come, cnc|work! |
| 11:40.25 | cnc|work | I'm at work :( |
| 11:40.27 | Shirik|AFK | lua.org/wshop08 |
| 11:40.42 | cnc|work | page not found |
| 11:40.47 | Shirik|AFK | .html |
| 11:40.54 | cnc|work | k :p |
| 11:41.10 | cnc|work | washington dc, not like I can get there for a cheap price :p |
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| 11:41.25 | Shirik|AFK | and now you're making me late,pz |
| 11:42.58 | cladhaire | okay leaving now. |
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| 11:49.05 | Fisker- | Shirik|AFK ! |
| 11:49.09 | Fisker- | i has authenticator irl |
| 11:54.56 | hipjipp^ | nice Fisker- |
| 12:03.09 | bleeter | holy crap, I just got a polygon outta WoW and the RadeonHD driver... before the whole thing bombed out on me tho :( |
| 12:04.22 | cnc|work | bleeter: don't use radeons on linux :p |
| 12:04.51 | amro | [13:04:22] <cnc|work> bleeter: don't use radeons :p |
| 12:05.00 | bleeter | I do have a tainted kernel here, which isn't really here 'coz it's all ssh and screen and stuff |
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| 12:06.46 | cnc|work | buying an nvidia for my laptop for sure |
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| 12:09.53 | bleeter | if I'd actually been buying at the time, instead of spending someone else's money, I might've |
| 12:10.16 | bleeter | actually, I would've skipped PC lappys and got a Mac Powerbook instead, but there was some crazy 3-6 month lead time on the model I wanted |
| 12:10.45 | cnc|work | I'm not into macs personaly |
| 12:10.49 | cnc|work | too costly |
| 12:10.56 | cnc|work | buying myself a laptop as soon as I get paid though |
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| 12:13.53 | bleeter | when are nV gunna open up? have they spoken to it yet? |
| 12:14.09 | cnc|work | no idea |
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| 12:55.01 | bleeter | patch released |
| 12:55.20 | bleeter | 2.4.3 build 8606 |
| 12:55.29 | Lopeppeppy | Yaypatch. I know what I will have to be doing this evening! |
| 12:55.46 | bleeter | I got like 5 machines to do... ugh |
| 12:56.20 | bleeter | I'll slap the notes on pastey soon |
| 12:57.53 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you, bleeter. It will help me to know what I'm missing as I cuss at my ISP |
| 12:58.25 | bleeter | really just need to compare to what mmo-champion have said it'll be, and if there's no changes take their word as gospel |
| 12:58.40 | bleeter | I suspect, though, given they were right re: the patch, their notes are prolly correct too |
| 12:59.22 | Bibi | I suspect their patch notes to be right too |
| 13:00.44 | cnc|work | I want the pet from kael ! |
| 13:01.35 | bleeter | oO the EU website has a theme selctor? |
| 13:01.48 | bleeter | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/themes/index.html |
| 13:01.48 | sioraiocht | and why not? |
| 13:03.36 | foxlit | "Blizzard Wins Major Lawsuit Against Bot Developers" |
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| 13:04.39 | amro | foxlit: the first argument is rather scary |
| 13:04.52 | cnc|work | foxlit: link ? |
| 13:04.58 | foxlit | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/14/2313247 |
| 13:05.44 | cnc|work | if a game is loaded into RAM, that can be considered an unauthorized copy of the game |
| 13:05.49 | cnc|work | wtf does that mean ? |
| 13:06.02 | cnc|work | if we play WoW we are using an unauthorized copy of it cuz it loads in the ram ? :p |
| 13:06.23 | sioraiocht | no |
| 13:06.26 | foxlit | I wouldn't trust the summary too much |
| 13:06.26 | amro | it means you can only load it into ram legally if blizzard says so |
| 13:06.27 | sioraiocht | maybe you ought to read TFA |
| 13:06.52 | foxlit | It's slashdot, sioraiocht must be new there :) |
| 13:06.52 | Lopeppeppy | If you read further down the text quoted is less incendiary than the condesation of it, and less hideous. |
| 13:06.57 | sioraiocht | the point of their finding is that the use of a program does not always constitute fair use even if you've paid for it |
| 13:07.19 | sioraiocht | when you load a program, you are making a copy, this is legal if the license that is granted to you for the software SAYS that it is |
| 13:07.33 | sioraiocht | as such, loading and executing it is subject to the term of that licence |
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| 13:08.10 | bleeter | enUS and ES http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91370 |
| 13:08.17 | cnc|work | http://mibbit.com/pb/7DCtYu |
| 13:08.27 | sioraiocht | i.e. it is illegal to use software in a way that violates the terms of use, that's how blizzard won; using WoW in conjunction with bots is aginst the ToS |
| 13:08.58 | sioraiocht | foxlit: I'm not new to slashdot, but I had more faith in the people here to to lrn2read |
| 13:09.34 | Lopeppeppy | Some of it's useful, some of slashdot is just flamewar feeding. |
| 13:09.35 | foxlit | "You must be new here" does not actually suggest that you must be new here. :) |
| 13:09.37 | bleeter | cnc|work: re: the copy thing. although the EULA/ToS says you can't copy it, the operation of copying the code from disk to ram is protected in US (C) law, but copying that data back into another program (in this case, glider), isn't (at least, my understanding of the stuff) |
| 13:09.49 | nevcairiel | stupid slashdot, now i cant read the article because its down due to being slashdoted :P |
| 13:10.16 | bleeter | cnc|work: if (c) forbade you from copying something from disk to ram, no one would ever be allowed to load anything |
| 13:10.49 | bleeter | it's not too dis-similar to how movie studios can run of thousands of copies of a film without getting fined, and pirates do get fined |
| 13:11.18 | cnc|work | bleeter: if the program doesn't copy it but only reads from it (glider does just that right ?) |
| 13:11.24 | cnc|work | then it shldnt be an infrigment either ? |
| 13:11.36 | bleeter | reading is copying |
| 13:11.55 | bleeter | even if sending straight to /dev/null, a copy of the data is being made |
| 13:12.08 | cnc|work | depends |
| 13:12.17 | cnc|work | well actualy, no it doesn't |
| 13:12.18 | bleeter | though I guess they never debated pointers, or stuff |
| 13:12.19 | cnc|work | you're right :p |
| 13:12.33 | cnc|work | hmmm, a point to the data wouldnt be copying ? |
| 13:13.00 | bleeter | although I do recall seeing in the judgement that the 9th seemed fairly convinced of certain arguments about all this, however they were saying something like 'we're constrained to 9th circuit law, not open to interpret new stuff' |
| 13:13.30 | cnc|work | ya, found the text |
| 13:13.41 | cnc|work | http://mibbit.com/pb/wKUTjP |
| 13:14.38 | bleeter | I said it earlier... I wonder how Magelo will survive some of these rulings, though |
| 13:14.56 | cnc|work | because blizz could decide to not sue Magelo ? |
| 13:15.10 | cnc|work | heck ,they even had advertised them on their main page before they knew it read from memory |
| 13:15.24 | nevcairiel | imho they should just ban it too |
| 13:15.33 | nevcairiel | get a proper ingame client |
| 13:15.35 | nevcairiel | with upload on wow quit |
| 13:16.06 | bleeter | well, it'll be hard to say that MDY violated certain aspects of the game, and got into trboule... then for Blizz to not put Magelo into trouble for some incredibly similar stuff ... |
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| 13:16.45 | bleeter | ... would make my non-legal brain start thinking of appeals, anyway. Either the EULA/ToS/(c) is enforced, or it's not. Can't selectively enforce it, or it's all completely pointless |
| 13:16.49 | nevcairiel | what does that mean for glider anyway? He is forced to permantenly stop selling it? |
| 13:18.00 | Lopeppeppy | I'm willing to bet on a cease and desist, yup. |
| 13:18.20 | bleeter | and legal fees |
| 13:19.06 | nevcairiel | not that glider will cease to exist instantly, but if he stops providing patches, it should be easy for blizz to get warden up to speed |
| 13:20.00 | bleeter | other bots will surface, just not as publicly |
| 13:20.49 | nevcairiel | one would've thought that with the publicity of glider it would've been easier to ban it with warden |
| 13:20.50 | bleeter | and more people will claim multiboxers and gold/toon selling botters |
| 13:20.54 | Lopeppeppy | Crunch all you want, they'll make more. But now there's more legal standing. |
| 13:21.55 | bleeter | nevcairiel: there was an interesting writeup regarding the last round of botting banwaves, by one of the guys who writes one of the other bots. he talked about the cat and mouse game they play with warden... |
| 13:22.22 | cnc|work | don't they just prevent it from working by reading its memory and surpressing its signals to the client ? |
| 13:22.24 | bleeter | ... the last round of bot catching, apparently the detection code wasn't in the 'normal' place so when the patch went out, all the bot authors thought they were still good to go |
| 13:22.40 | cnc|work | haha |
| 13:22.41 | cnc|work | win |
| 13:23.15 | bleeter | instead, blizz had tucked the new detection stuff into a new part of the game client, which the folks totally missed. Thus, most if not all bots got caught in the three weeks between the patch release and the ban wave incoming |
| 13:23.27 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 13:23.29 | nevcairiel | owned |
| 13:23.31 | cnc|work | nice one |
| 13:23.35 | bleeter | however, the author realised this about 6 hours after the banwave started, and fixed his bot |
| 13:23.47 | cnc|work | thats a bit late innit , |
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| 13:24.05 | nevcairiel | blizz probably recorded all hits before hitting the ban buttons |
| 13:24.06 | nevcairiel | no? |
| 13:24.13 | bleeter | kinda, but just shows the arms race that exists. yes, Blizz can ban/block bots, but they'll work around it |
| 13:24.27 | Diskmaster | Reminds me of Sony vs Hackers |
| 13:24.46 | amro | can US keys be used on EU and vice versa? |
| 13:24.53 | bleeter | no |
| 13:26.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | mercury is a pretty decent guy and he's pretty honorable despite what his program might make you think :o |
| 13:26.27 | cnc|work | define honorable |
| 13:26.35 | cnc|work | the word in itself means nothing :p |
| 13:26.58 | bleeter | so yeah, now this bot author knows the 'old' tricks Blizz played, and the new one they play, so he's at least .. prepared. this ruling won't do anything to stop botters, just the business model of selling/leasing them |
| 13:27.07 | bleeter | imo |
| 13:27.15 | nevcairiel | thats good already |
| 13:27.20 | nevcairiel | will stop the damn masses |
| 13:27.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | he bears no ill will to blizzard and goes out of his way to keep his program from influencing pvp |
| 13:27.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | among several other things |
| 13:29.02 | cnc|work | well, why did he even write it in the first place ? |
| 13:29.16 | nevcairiel | to make money |
| 13:29.50 | cnc|work | I wonder if he actualy made money with legal charges + fee |
| 13:30.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was free at first iirc |
| 13:30.44 | malreth | what's the bon mot, #wowuidevs? |
| 13:30.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | he mostly wrote it because he was tired of the grind on alts |
| 13:30.57 | Lopeppeppy | malreth: banana |
| 13:31.04 | malreth | nice |
| 13:31.13 | durcyn | man, that takes me back to Tijuana... |
| 13:32.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | this judgement sets a bad precedent in my decision |
| 13:33.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | it means that EULAS, TOS, and TOU are legal contracts and therefore opens a huge can of wotms |
| 13:33.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | worms |
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| 13:34.15 | foxlit | What's the other alternative? |
| 13:34.33 | cnc|work | Mr_Rabies2: haven't they always been legal contracts ? |
| 13:34.40 | nevcairiel | Its probably only the TOU, no software company ever dared to defend their EULA in court |
| 13:34.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | not really cnc|work |
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| 13:35.06 | Lopeppeppy | Well, maybe now they are. |
| 13:35.11 | cnc|work | wb Shirik |
| 13:35.13 | Shirik | o hi |
| 13:35.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | now there's the whole making minors agree to a contract thing |
| 13:35.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | among several other concerns |
| 13:35.50 | nevcairiel | so stop selling games to minors, they are annoying anyway. P |
| 13:36.11 | cnc|work | well tbh, I don't think its very relevant, software companies will most likely only sue big anoying offenders :p |
| 13:36.24 | cnc|work | oh wait, didn't some music firm sue a kid ? |
| 13:36.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.mmoglider.com/legal/order_july14_2008.pdf |
| 13:36.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | copying of software to RAM means copying now |
| 13:37.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh apparently that precedent was set in 1993 |
| 13:38.59 | bleeter | well, what else would it be apart from a copy? It's not a move |
| 13:39.46 | cnc|work | you can't move data in computers anyway |
| 13:39.53 | cnc|work | its copy & delete old one |
| 13:39.56 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: you'll also see in the ruling that the judges seemed convinced by certain expert witnesses, however they couldn't 'agree' with them because it fell outside establish 9th circuit law, or something |
| 13:40.08 | MentalPower|ZZzz | aye |
| 13:40.08 | bleeter | cnc|work: precisely |
| 13:40.40 | MentalPower | that court cannot go against 9th circuit court's previous rulings even if it wanted to |
| 13:41.12 | MentalPower | Glider can go to 9th to appeal, but we'll see if they actually do |
| 13:42.01 | Fisker- | fuck |
| 13:42.04 | bleeter | I suspect, given some of the DMCA aspects, someone might pay for them to go to appeal |
| 13:42.24 | cnc|work | DMCA ? |
| 13:42.28 | bleeter | DCMA? |
| 13:42.32 | bleeter | I dunno, US crazylaw |
| 13:42.35 | cog|away | DMCA |
| 13:42.37 | Shirik | DMCA |
| 13:42.42 | cog|away | digital millenium copyright cat |
| 13:42.47 | cnc|work | the law thats says you can't do shit if the president doesn't want you to ? :p |
| 13:42.47 | cog|away | cat... |
| 13:42.53 | Shirik | copyright cat! |
| 13:43.02 | durcyn | i sense an impending meme |
| 13:43.06 | bleeter | law says president can't do shit |
| 13:43.15 | cnc|work | I know |
| 13:43.17 | bleeter | ohhhh, US president |
| 13:43.21 | cnc|work | just messing around, I'm bored |
| 13:44.08 | Fisker- | So what is the result? |
| 13:44.13 | Fisker- | Is glider owned irl? |
| 13:44.30 | Shirik | glider lost most of the arguments, but they have yet to say what will be done about it |
| 13:45.19 | foxlit | slashdot comments say they didn't even contend the copying is copying point |
| 13:45.27 | Fisker- | But Blizzard won the "game in ram = copyright"-claim? |
| 13:45.33 | Fisker- | oh |
| 13:45.34 | Fisker- | :o |
| 13:45.37 | bleeter | full decision -> http://www.mmoglider.com/legal/order_july14_2008.pdf |
| 13:45.39 | cnc|work | sadly, yea |
| 13:45.53 | cnc|work | bleeter: tldr |
| 13:46.12 | bleeter | Fisker-: it wasn't to be won, set in precedent last century ;) |
| 13:46.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't say i agree with blizzard on this |
| 13:46.35 | nevcairiel | rabies is a bot lover! flame him! |
| 13:46.40 | Shirik | By definition, it's true |
| 13:46.59 | cog|away | http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=1547827 |
| 13:47.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | while there are those that actively deprive others of enjoyment of wow using Glider |
| 13:47.16 | bleeter | I'm still waiting to hear what Mr_Rabies2 thinks is done to the data when it's transferred from disk to RAM, if it's not copying |
| 13:47.23 | Lopeppeppy | cog|away, I worship you. |
| 13:47.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | Glider's base program has plenty of things to prevent you from influencing anyone, except perhaps if you're a dick and farm quest mobs |
| 13:48.28 | nevcairiel | Glider was designed to get a personal advantage over others |
| 13:48.30 | Shirik | and you think it's "fair to others" to have them gaining an advantage from doing nothing? |
| 13:48.37 | nevcairiel | and thats what blizzard said in their claims |
| 13:48.38 | Shirik | whereas I work for everything? |
| 13:48.46 | cnc|work | exactly |
| 13:48.51 | Fisker- | cog|away i has authenticator irl though |
| 13:49.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | work for what? who says that xp or ingame items have value? |
| 13:49.12 | nevcairiel | doesnt matter if you directly "harm" another person, you get a advantage over everyone not using glider |
| 13:49.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | blizzard certainly does not since they don't support RMT |
| 13:49.45 | cnc|work | Mr_Rabies2: as the full report states, for ingame assets |
| 13:49.47 | Shirik | Mr_Rabies2: You're confusing two definitions of value |
| 13:49.55 | cog|away | Mr_Rabies2: that people are willing to do work for things is value... |
| 13:49.57 | Shirik | the monetary definition and the personal definition |
| 13:50.01 | cog|away | value ~= price |
| 13:50.45 | cog|away | they value the item more than the time spent acquiring it |
| 13:50.58 | Fisker- | Nothing in the |
| 13:50.59 | Fisker- | definition suggests that the Court must assess the success of scan.dll |
| 13:51.00 | Fisker- | lol |
| 13:51.00 | Shirik | So, through this Lua conference, I think I've learned of a new way to break batbot |
| 13:51.10 | Fisker- | couldn't they just have called it warden? :D |
| 13:51.18 | cnc|work | Shirik: how ? |
| 13:51.22 | Shirik | I think cladhaire's bot is immune though |
| 13:51.26 | Shirik | oh not saying how :) |
| 13:51.30 | Shirik | not until it's fixed |
| 13:51.34 | nevcairiel | at least test it? :p |
| 13:51.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's huge chunks of some of the prior paperwork blacked out regarding warden Fisker- |
| 13:51.41 | cladhaire | Shirik: orly? which one? |
| 13:51.52 | cnc|work | hmmm, I saw someone trying something and then saying, damn, clad's bot is immune |
| 13:51.57 | cnc|work | what was it again -.- can't remember |
| 13:52.16 | cladhaire | Shirik: test it in PM's.. I can restart if necessary |
| 13:52.24 | Shirik | I can restart it too :P |
| 13:52.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i personally believe glider is not in and of itself harmful to blizzard's profits, however the decisions of some of its users may deprive blizzard of profits, just like any griefer |
| 13:52.38 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, you'd cuddle the ebola virus, wouldn't you? *grin* |
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| 13:52.58 | cog|away | Fisker-: gratz |
| 13:53.10 | Fisker- | Blizzard has presented no legal authority in support |
| 13:53.10 | Fisker- | of license provisions that âself-destructâ when users commit certain violations. |
| 13:53.11 | Fisker- | >:O |
| 13:53.16 | Fisker- | it's an action movie!11 |
| 13:53.20 | Fisker- | Shirik authenticator irl yet? |
| 13:53.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | i won't hide the fact i once used it but stopped long ago after my account's mortality was realized :p |
| 13:53.49 | cog|away | downloading new patch |
| 13:53.51 | cog|away | :O |
| 13:53.52 | cladhaire | Shirik: you can't restart lua_bot, duur :P |
| 13:54.21 | cog|away | \o/ 2.4.3 |
| 13:54.26 | Fisker- | old |
| 13:54.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | let me know when wotlk hits :( |
| 13:54.32 | nevcairiel | its sold out here again |
| 13:54.34 | bleeter | well, I see the Public Knowledge stuff being used in appeal, if they decide to go that path... /shrug |
| 13:54.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i can resubscribe ;[ |
| 13:54.43 | bleeter | cog|away: build 8086, iirc |
| 13:54.48 | cog|away | <-- woke up 40 mins ago |
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| 13:55.01 | cog|away | 8606 |
| 13:55.03 | bleeter | 8606 then |
| 13:55.05 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 13:55.15 | nevcairiel | quite a difference :P |
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| 13:55.32 | Fisker- | reminds me of some sort of computing thingy |
| 13:55.38 | DARKGuy | o/ |
| 13:55.45 | Fisker- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8086 |
| 13:56.02 | nevcairiel | patch wise it was a early version of 2.4.0 |
| 13:56.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | i knew that number was familiar fisker |
| 13:56.17 | Fisker- | http://niko.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/9a/9a7bc330f9683b721eec4e12ec81d384d19c63e1.png >:O |
| 13:56.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was like hrmmm |
| 13:56.25 | cog|away | ! |
| 13:56.27 | cog|away | nubs |
| 13:56.34 | nevcairiel | you really had to think about figuring out what 8086 means? |
| 13:56.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | that A+ class still sits in my brain somewhere apparently |
| 13:56.47 | bleeter | hehe |
| 13:57.24 | cog|away | i practically had to teach the class though |
| 13:57.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i never got the cert i was promised |
| 13:57.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | lots of drama with students pirating on school computers got the teacher fired |
| 13:57.41 | cog|away | the teacher was one of those "real" nerds that no one in the class could understand |
| 13:57.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | :( |
| 13:57.45 | cog|away | so i had to translate |
| 13:58.23 | Fisker- | cog|away 226353 |
| 13:58.30 | Fisker- | whats your 6 digit pin code_ |
| 13:58.31 | Fisker- | ? |
| 13:58.39 | cog|away | 212032! |
| 13:58.42 | Fisker- | >:O |
| 13:58.47 | Fisker- | 330022 now |
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| 13:58.56 | Fisker- | you still got a couple of secs to crack my password |
| 13:59.08 | cnc|work | Mr_Rabies2: how can some stupid pupils hacking get a teacher fired ? |
| 13:59.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | this was high school |
| 13:59.25 | Fisker- | easy cnc|work |
| 13:59.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | teacher was "responsible for our behavior" |
| 13:59.34 | Fisker- | hah |
| 13:59.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | er their |
| 13:59.39 | bleeter | Fisker-: your p/w is easy... it's 'b00b135!!!' |
| 13:59.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wasn't involved |
| 13:59.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i know those who were though |
| 13:59.49 | Fisker- | nah bleeter 8008135 |
| 13:59.53 | Lopeppeppy | Has a supervisory capacity, so yes, they have responsibility for actions done. Sad. |
| 13:59.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | running azureus on the school network |
| 13:59.59 | cnc|work | meh, thats all ? |
| 14:00.03 | cnc|work | if its only that , seriously |
| 14:00.04 | cnc|work | i've done worse :p |
| 14:00.14 | Fisker- | The school i went on for my data technician stuff |
| 14:00.19 | Fisker- | We also had electricity guys |
| 14:00.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | had tons of mp3s (semi-legally ripped off cds) |
| 14:00.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | movies, software, those were illegaly downloaded |
| 14:00.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | but they were worried most about the music |
| 14:00.38 | Fisker- | and some of them rigged some stuff on purpose so it shortcircuited and created a fire |
| 14:00.46 | Fisker- | Then a fight broke out between the students and the teachers |
| 14:00.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | uh |
| 14:00.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | we shocked a student with a power supply |
| 14:01.00 | Fisker- | and 3 teachers got fired while the students who set fire to it all got away with it :P |
| 14:01.02 | cnc|work | Mr_Rabies2: my school uses cracked software :p |
| 14:01.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | an old at psu |
| 14:01.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | AT PSU* |
| 14:01.11 | Fisker- | an? |
| 14:01.16 | cnc|work | well, my old school actualy |
| 14:01.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | running wires off the power connector |
| 14:01.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | so 120v |
| 14:01.43 | cnc|work | anyway, its really not hard to get bittorrent to work on about any computer given enough time, and its not teachers can really stop |
| 14:01.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | full wallsocket action passing from arm to arm |
| 14:01.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | through the heart |
| 14:01.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | this was the teacher after the good one got fired |
| 14:02.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | replacement teach didn't know what to do with us the next year in networking class |
| 14:02.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | she didn't know jack about networking and barely survived to teach A+ from the book |
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| 14:02.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | so we mostly played starcraft and stole computer parts and arced power supply parts off one another |
| 14:03.15 | DARKGuy | xD |
| 14:03.22 | DARKGuy | how can you play SC in middle of class? |
| 14:03.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | we didn't have a class really |
| 14:03.36 | cnc|work | Mr_Rabies2: I would have got THAT teacher fired |
| 14:03.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was at the same time as the A+ classes |
| 14:03.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh we tried |
| 14:03.45 | DARKGuy | oh ok |
| 14:03.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i never stole anything |
| 14:03.59 | cnc|work | btw, was that highschool or secondary school ? highschool I supose ? |
| 14:04.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | but a buddy of mine (one of the ones pirating the year before) stole about 2 grand worth of parts |
| 14:04.11 | cnc|work | teachers don't get fired in secondary school |
| 14:04.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | HS |
| 14:04.31 | cnc|work | also, the definition of pirating is pretty poor |
| 14:04.45 | cnc|work | if I bring my laptop at my HS and use their wireless network for p2p is that pirating ? :p |
| 14:04.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | depends on what you're downloading |
| 14:05.06 | amro | isn't HS secondary school? |
| 14:05.11 | cnc|work | no amro |
| 14:05.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | depends on the locale |
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| 14:05.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | this was 9-12 grade |
| 14:05.41 | cnc|work | in belgium its equivalent to university, though with more focus on practice instead of theory |
| 14:06.02 | amro | hrm is there a slash command to change languages? |
| 14:06.07 | Kraps | Ninth Circuit law holds that the copying of software to RAM constitutes âcopyingâ |
| 14:06.07 | cnc|work | 9-12 grades are secondary school here (thats 16yo till 18yo right .) |
| 14:06.09 | Kraps | for purposes of section 106 of the Copyright Act. Thus, if a person is not authorized by the copyright |
| 14:06.10 | Kraps | holder (through a license) or by law (through section117, which will be discussed below) to |
| 14:06.12 | Kraps | copy the software to RAM, the person is guilty of copyright infringement because the person |
| 14:06.13 | Kraps | has exercised a right (copying) that belongs exclusively to the copyright holder. |
| 14:06.26 | cnc|work | Kraps: USE PASTEY GOD DAMNIT |
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| 14:06.44 | ckknight | cnc|work: no u |
| 14:06.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | around there cnc|work |
| 14:06.54 | Kraps | so any program i use makes me a copyright infringer? |
| 14:07.03 | wereHamster | yes! |
| 14:07.10 | Kraps | !!!! |
| 14:07.16 | cnc|work | Kraps: only if your not allowed to use it ;) which makes sense eh ? |
| 14:07.17 | bleeter | not if the (C) has given you permission to use it, and you use it in the way their license says you should use it |
| 14:07.21 | wereHamster | ~copyright |
| 14:07.22 | purl | well, copyright is Under the WTO's TRIPS, all creative works are protected under copyright law by their original creator, even if no particular license is stated. If you wish to include, change, or otherwise alter someone else's non-commercial work, try to at least use a best-faith effort at contacting them, and give credit where credit is due. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright. |
| 14:07.47 | cnc|work | the perfect example of one big copyright |
| 14:07.50 | cnc|work | ~microsoft |
| 14:07.51 | purl | "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is the day they start making vacuum cleaners." |
| 14:08.51 | cog|away | visual studio doesn't suck. somehow they don't seem to have any influence on the rest of the software they write :( |
| 14:09.08 | ckknight | office isn't too bad, either, tbh |
| 14:09.11 | cnc|work | granted, vs is quite nice |
| 14:09.15 | Kraps | oh i missed the " Thus, if a person is not *authorized by the copyright |
| 14:09.17 | Kraps | holder or by law to |
| 14:09.19 | Kraps | copy the software to RAM*" part |
| 14:09.52 | cnc|work | ckknight: I prefer openoffice personaly |
| 14:10.11 | ckknight | openoffice takes up more memory and has less features |
| 14:10.17 | ckknight | I use openoffice as well, btw |
| 14:10.40 | amro | KOffice :D |
| 14:10.46 | bleeter | vi |
| 14:10.58 | cog|away | i do like o2k7's interface, but the programs themselves are so damn slow |
| 14:11.10 | bleeter | emacs |
| 14:11.11 | bleeter | death |
| 14:11.12 | cog|away | (mainly loading... they're ok once running) |
| 14:12.16 | cnc|work | hmmm, I never noticed openoffice being slower then office |
| 14:12.34 | cnc|work | been mostly faster for me, they start up faster (which is the only place where there rly is slowdown anyway) |
| 14:13.00 | cog|away | cnc|work: ?? |
| 14:13.01 | Kraps | i'm at page 7 and my head is spinning |
| 14:13.06 | cog|away | o2k7 = office 2007 |
| 14:13.25 | cnc|work | was an answer to ckknight , cog|away |
| 14:13.51 | cog|away | cnc|work: but he didn't say anything about speed :P |
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| 14:14.51 | malreth | ~o2k7 |
| 14:14.51 | cog|away | Kraps: at any particular language or just in general? :P |
| 14:15.00 | cnc|work | <ckknight> openoffice takes up more memory and has less features |
| 14:15.04 | malreth | purl, o2k7 is Microsoft Office 2007 |
| 14:15.05 | purl | okay, malreth |
| 14:15.13 | cog|away | cnc|work: says nothing about speed... |
| 14:15.27 | cnc|work | true, but its somehow implied in it imo :p |
| 14:15.33 | malreth | that was my one good deed for the day... time for evil |
| 14:15.34 | cog|away | not reallly... |
| 14:15.40 | Fisker- | Office 2007 interface is actually quite good when you get to learn it |
| 14:15.47 | cog|away | cnc|work: this is the same discussion i'm always having about addons |
| 14:15.52 | Fisker- | just a shame with the learning curve imo |
| 14:16.21 | bleeter | sure o2k7 is using some inbuilt windows stuff, whereas OO ships with a chunkastuff, making it bigger |
| 14:16.23 | cog|away | memory usage in and of itself isn't an indicator of bad performance overall. in fact, many programs take up a lot of memory specifically to operate faster |
| 14:16.29 | malreth | office 2k7's interface would be good if they carried the ribbon metaphor across the entire OS and made it work consistently across multiple applications |
| 14:16.46 | bleeter | kinda like how *nix VMWare is horrendously huge 'coz they can't guarantee any given distro has the specific GTK version they want |
| 14:16.50 | Matrix110 | OpenOffice's intention is good, but it needs lots of work still |
| 14:16.54 | bleeter | so they include their own |
| 14:17.14 | cog|away | bbl |
| 14:17.19 | bleeter | cya cog |
| 14:17.51 | Gnarfoz | (o2k7 being 'faster' could also be related to half of it being integrated into windows once you install it) |
| 14:18.02 | cnc|work | cog|away: ya, ur right |
| 14:18.03 | bleeter | ~failrik |
| 14:18.03 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 14:18.14 | cnc|work | I'm myself fighting with people sometimes telling them memory usage ain't bad :( |
| 14:18.20 | bleeter | that's kinda what I said, Gnarfoz! :P |
| 14:18.30 | bleeter | just not as gooder as you |
| 14:18.43 | Gnarfoz | woohoo |
| 14:18.54 | Gnarfoz | also, why do I get a 'dbus-daemon.exe' once I install Mumble? |
| 14:18.58 | Gnarfoz | wtf is up with that >_> |
| 14:19.13 | bleeter | 'coz dbus is required for Mumble? |
| 14:19.17 | Gnarfoz | it's not |
| 14:19.21 | Gnarfoz | it's required for murmur |
| 14:19.37 | Gnarfoz | and I'm on windows, it's not like I could even use the dbus interface :D |
| 14:20.36 | bleeter | why? windbus dead? merged? |
| 14:22.25 | Lopeppeppy | Mumble, murmur... get the peanut butter out of your mouth, Clark Gable, and actually TALK |
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| 14:23.01 | Gnarfoz | wtf is clark gable |
| 14:23.03 | Gnarfoz | and |
| 14:23.04 | Gnarfoz | ~mumble |
| 14:23.05 | purl | from memory, mumble is an open source, low-latency, high quality voice chat software primarily intended for use while gaming, found at http://mumble.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:23.17 | malreth | ~wiki Clark Gable |
| 14:23.28 | cnc|work | mumble ? :o |
| 14:23.31 | cnc|work | haden't heard of it |
| 14:24.43 | cnc|work | hmmm |
| 14:24.48 | cnc|work | cld setup a murmur server for my guild |
| 14:24.54 | cnc|work | better then wasting money on ts |
| 14:25.27 | Josh_Borke | s/cld/could/ |
| 14:25.29 | Gngsk | so what's the deal with tekkub's pico is that his personal thing or can it be cloned? |
| 14:25.43 | cnc|work | every repo can be cloned if you can read it afaik |
| 14:26.10 | Gngsk | yah, well that's the thing I can't find it only plugins |
| 14:26.35 | Gngsk | unless I'm just suffering from temporary blindness which is quite possible |
| 14:26.59 | cnc|work | s/temporary// |
| 14:28.27 | bleeter | I was gunna hack pidgin to be the killer voice/gaming chat client, but most of the project's seniors are PITA, so I didn't |
| 14:29.06 | Fisker- | btw |
| 14:29.17 | Fisker- | isn't reverse engineering a copyright violation as well? |
| 14:29.27 | Fisker- | Why not just use that as a claim instead of the copy ram shit? |
| 14:29.33 | bleeter | in some legislative environments, yes. in others, no |
| 14:29.55 | Fisker- | Well the copy ram shit should hopefully be no in ALL enviroments :P |
| 14:30.02 | bleeter | for example, in some circumstances in .au, it's perfectly fine. Which is why we have OpenSSL and Samba ;) |
| 14:30.14 | Fisker- | yeah but in the US it's not |
| 14:30.14 | Fisker- | :o |
| 14:30.36 | cnc|work | thats why the us sucks ? |
| 14:30.55 | Gnarfoz | among other reasons :p |
| 14:31.01 | Josh_Borke | s/that's why the use sucks/that's why i think the us sucks/ |
| 14:31.10 | Fisker- | nah |
| 14:31.15 | Gnarfoz | also, cnc|work why are you wasting money on TS, when you could set up a TS server of your own for the same cost as Murmur? |
| 14:31.15 | Fisker- | you don't need to think about it |
| 14:31.19 | Fisker- | fact and what not |
| 14:31.21 | Josh_Borke | too many people statement opinions as fact :-/ |
| 14:31.33 | cnc|work | Gnarfoz: its not me wasting money on it |
| 14:31.39 | bleeter | Josh_Borke: that's your opinion :P |
| 14:31.43 | cnc|work | just gonna test murmur & tell the offis to stop wasting money on it :p |
| 14:31.54 | Josh_Borke | bleeter: you're absolutely right :-D |
| 14:31.58 | Matrix110 | Gnarfoz Murmur uses Speex superior to TS codecs :P |
| 14:32.11 | Gnarfoz | TS uses speex too, duh |
| 14:32.12 | bleeter | oh god |
| 14:32.13 | bleeter | speex |
| 14:32.26 | Gnarfoz | just not the pre-computation stuff like noise cancellation etc. |
| 14:32.32 | Matrix110 | yes but TS has only shitty quality then :P |
| 14:32.43 | Gnarfoz | TS has perfectly fine quality |
| 14:32.43 | Matrix110 | Giev TS client with Vent sound quality |
| 14:32.46 | bleeter | speex IS shitty quality |
| 14:32.51 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 14:33.03 | Gnarfoz | direct face-2-face communication is about the only thing better than speex, lol |
| 14:33.11 | Matrix110 | bleeter we are talking about VoIP not music |
| 14:33.13 | Gnarfoz | GSM is worse |
| 14:33.46 | Gnarfoz | (all cellphone codecs are, for that matter) |
| 14:33.49 | bleeter | been in this discussion before, about 5 years ago.. it's horrible... I dun wanna go there really ;) |
| 14:34.03 | bleeter | instead, I'll refer you to the gaim/pidgin mail lists |
| 14:34.05 | cnc|work | Gnarfoz: couldn't cellphones use speex ? :p |
| 14:34.18 | Gnarfoz | cnc|work: bandwith? ;> |
| 14:34.55 | Gnarfoz | bleeter: if it's archives from 5 years ago, who cares if speex 1.1 codecs + the more 'advanced' features like noise and echo cancellation are newer than that? |
| 14:34.55 | bleeter | gnight all |
| 14:35.38 | cnc|work | anyway, i'm going home |
| 14:35.39 | cnc|work | cya all |
| 14:35.50 | bleeter | Gnarfoz: I have this theory, and it goes 'You can't gold plate and polish shit' |
| 14:35.58 | bleeter | yeah I really should bed now |
| 14:36.01 | bleeter | *really gone* |
| 14:36.33 | Gnarfoz | hm, I don't think the best of all alternatives qualifies as 'shit', but you're weird and from the other side of the world :P |
| 14:36.51 | malreth | nonsense... the japanese gold plate shit all the time |
| 14:37.16 | malreth | http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/ek20070320wh.html |
| 14:41.45 | Gnarfoz | wish me luck, I'm trying to install drivers for my good old Audigy2 that's been sitting deactivated in my comp for ages now... |
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| 14:42.30 | nevcairiel | on vista? :D |
| 14:42.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | even in xp the aud2 drivers are a nightmare |
| 14:42.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | you -HAVE- to start with the cd |
| 14:43.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | and patch from there |
| 14:43.02 | AckisWork | creative drivers have always been crap |
| 14:43.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | or you get half working drivers and bsods |
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| 14:44.05 | AckisWork | heh apparently some people were hotlinking to an image on our guild page... the admin just changed said image and posted a NSFW link... lol |
| 14:44.25 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 14:45.23 | AckisWork | can someone (who is not at work, not offended) tell me what is at http://www.altavictis.com/ ? |
| 14:45.46 | Matrix110 | Best is when people are hotlinking in their ebay auctions and then somebody changes the pic to a random pic |
| 14:45.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | haahahaha |
| 14:45.57 | AckisWork | lol yah those are win |
| 14:46.02 | Lukian | LMAO |
| 14:46.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | male full frontal nudity |
| 14:46.17 | Matrix110 | Ackis looks like a guild page |
| 14:46.19 | Lukian | Ackis, it's a very real penis with the caption "Hot Linking: Everyone Loses" |
| 14:46.26 | AckisWork | lmao |
| 14:46.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | gwahahaha |
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| 14:46.34 | Matrix110 | with a Big Penis on the left side |
| 14:47.01 | AckisWork | http://www.teamice.org/ <-- original image = KJ image |
| 14:47.22 | Lukian | Depending on your browser size you may or may not see head of said penis |
| 14:47.40 | Lukian | but you will see shaft and balls |
| 14:49.28 | malreth | i have virgin eyes so on principle i cannot view that site |
| 14:51.12 | nevcairiel | AckisWork: i should cycle through our background images like that and see what happens :D |
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| 14:51.26 | AckisWork | hehe |
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| 14:52.52 | Kraps | 2.4.3 is out? |
| 14:53.01 | ckknight | downloaded and installed, Kraps |
| 14:53.14 | nevcairiel | "yes" is shorter, you know |
| 14:53.26 | Kraps | CHEERCHEERCHEERCHEERCHEERCHEERCHEERCHEERCHEERCHEERCHEERETC |
| 14:53.28 | ckknight | well, server's not up |
| 14:53.40 | nevcairiel | whats so great about 2.4.3 that i've missed? |
| 14:53.49 | ckknight | lvl 30 mounts |
| 14:54.06 | Matrix110 | Nether Ray Pet |
| 14:54.09 | Kraps | AND THEIR DIRT CHEAP TO BOOT! |
| 14:54.14 | durcyn | 22 slot bags are the only thing that matters |
| 14:54.17 | Kraps | sry caps |
| 14:54.31 | Lukian | Magister's nerfs are pretty epic |
| 14:54.37 | nevcairiel | not like the 10 level matter |
| 14:54.46 | AckisWork | woah * Mâuru, Entropius, Shadowsword Berserkers and Shadowsword Fury Mages have all had their health decreased. |
| 14:54.47 | Fisker- | 22 slot bags = fail |
| 14:54.48 | nevcairiel | meh i thought MgT was actually nice being a bit harder |
| 14:55.05 | Kraps | zomg patch notes where? |
| 14:55.15 | Lukian | Kraps, THE INTERWEBZ |
| 14:55.27 | Kraps | ORLY |
| 14:55.32 | Lukian | YA RLY |
| 14:55.34 | Matrix110 | oh and cheatdeath gets fixed |
| 14:55.36 | nevcairiel | imho, the best is --> * Zoning into an instance on a PvE realm will now drop your PvP flag. |
| 14:56.02 | AckisWork | carebear |
| 14:56.26 | Lukian | Kraps, mmo-champion, wowwiki, probably also: the wow website, wow-insider and a bunch of other sites |
| 14:57.36 | Kraps | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/ gets 4.2 |
| 14:57.52 | Lukian | that was only a probably |
| 14:57.59 | Kraps | lol |
| 14:59.17 | Kraps | DIRT CHEAP I TELL YOU |
| 14:59.22 | Kraps | sty |
| 14:59.26 | Kraps | *sry |
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| 15:01.03 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.09 | Kraps | say what? |
| 15:01.15 | Lukian | hahaha |
| 15:01.22 | Lukian | failoogle |
| 15:01.43 | Kraps | ya rofl |
| 15:02.00 | Gngsk | any wowi mods know if gello abandoned autorack? i noticed he recently update itemrack and I was checking to see about autorack and it seems to be gone |
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| 15:02.17 | Josh_Borke | Gngsk: what did autorack do? |
| 15:02.46 | Gngsk | it's basically autobar, but hijacks a bagslot so it can swap items in combat |
| 15:03.09 | Gngsk | the old version i have still works fine, was just surprised to see it gone |
| 15:03.20 | Josh_Borke | isn't that feature possible in itemrack 2.0? |
| 15:03.50 | Gngsk | oh? not sure. lemme see |
| 15:04.01 | Gngsk | well, it's not like the trinketmenu functionality |
| 15:04.07 | Gngsk | i know he incorporated that into 2.x |
| 15:04.16 | Gngsk | i'm talking like, using consumables, potions etc |
| 15:04.22 | Gngsk | not using gear on use |
| 15:04.58 | Shirik | hm, I seem to have succeeded in permanently injecting code into batbot |
| 15:05.06 | Shirik | --> collectgarbage"collect" |
| 15:05.06 | batbot | Shirik: > 0 |
| 15:05.06 | batbot | Shirik: GC callGC callGC call |
| 15:05.09 | Shirik | >.> |
| 15:05.34 | Shirik | not that this does much |
| 15:05.54 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:05.54 | Kraps | why do i have to choose a realm? |
| 15:06.30 | Shirik | and now you can't even do a collectgarbage |
| 15:06.34 | Gngsk | Josh_Borke, well I found the dead link http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=6394 guess he's abandoned it. wonder why |
| 15:06.34 | Shirik | --> collectgarbage"collect" |
| 15:06.35 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string " local mt = {}; mt.__gc = function() debug...."]:1: GC call |
| 15:06.39 | nevcairiel | servers are down Kraps |
| 15:06.46 | Shirik | ooh maybe I shouldn't have shown that |
| 15:07.02 | Kraps | ya just realized that |
| 15:07.06 | Lukian | Shirik, I'm sure the master will fix it soon enough :p |
| 15:07.21 | Shirik | I can fix it :P |
| 15:07.30 | Shirik | my purpose is to help batrick_ find vulnerabilities :) |
| 15:08.02 | Kraps | till 2 pm edt :/ |
| 15:09.27 | Maldivia | hmm, drhorrible is getting hammered, or just down? |
| 15:10.08 | Shirik | I WIN |
| 15:10.09 | Shirik | muahaha |
| 15:10.27 | Shirik | (11:09:50) (Shirik) --> for x = 1, 5 do print(x) end |
| 15:10.27 | Shirik | (11:09:50) - Quit (Remote closed the connection) |
| 15:10.53 | Gnarfoz | <Gngsk> it's basically autobar, but hijacks a bagslot so it can swap items in combat <-- that functionality is in AutoBar, where it belongs? :> |
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| 15:11.24 | Shirik | I can't remember batrick's IP though :( |
| 15:11.27 | Shirik | oh it's right there, duh |
| 15:11.48 | Maldivia | you just went from WIN to... hmm... yeah :) |
| 15:12.08 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 15:12.24 | Shirik | /etc/ssh/ssh_config: line 46: Bad configuration option: UseDNS |
| 15:12.24 | Shirik | /etc/ssh/ssh_config: terminating, 1 bad configuration options |
| 15:12.25 | Shirik | mpdelbuono@li23-154 ~ $ ssh c-68-35-67-18.hsd1.nm.comcast.net |
| 15:12.25 | Shirik | /msg #wowuidev /etc/ssh/ssh_config: line 46: Bad configuration option: UseDNS |
| 15:12.27 | Shirik | /msg #wowuidev /etc/ssh/ssh_config: terminating, 1 bad configuration options |
| 15:12.30 | Shirik | wtf is that ^ |
| 15:12.41 | Shirik | yeah I fail :( |
| 15:12.43 | Shirik | ~failrik |
| 15:12.44 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 15:12.57 | Fisker- | :) |
| 15:13.06 | Fisker- | ~failrik_debug() |
| 15:13.11 | Fisker- | or whatevar |
| 15:14.16 | Gnarfoz | it says right there what it is? :> |
| 15:15.43 | Fisker- | pebkac Gnarfoz |
| 15:15.50 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 15:17.27 | hipjipp^ | does anyone know the difference (if any) between "InCombatLockdown()" and "UnitAffectingCombat("Player")"? |
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| 15:17.53 | Shirik | InCombatLockdown goes into combat slightly after, iirc |
| 15:18.01 | Gnarfoz | unitaffectingcombat tells you if you're in combat because of "unitname", I thought? |
| 15:18.10 | Shirik | specifically, at PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED, UnitAffectingCombat"Player" is true, but InCombatLockdown is false |
| 15:18.39 | nevcairiel | mm lua scripts in shell scripting = ftw |
| 15:18.43 | Gnarfoz | if you want to do something that might be locked out in combat, use InCombatLockdown() (as the name suggests :D) |
| 15:18.56 | Shirik | ok, failure at restarting batbot apparently |
| 15:19.00 | Shirik | I have an old setup :( |
| 15:19.23 | hipjipp^ | Gnarfoz: yeah.. just wondering.. good to know at times.. :P |
| 15:19.26 | nevcairiel | apparently your ssh config is fucked |
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| 15:19.49 | Shirik | I got in :P |
| 15:19.59 | Shirik | but my configuration file for batbot is a bit jacked up |
| 15:20.11 | Shirik | or I'm missing modules |
| 15:20.18 | nevcairiel | he doesnt keep the file somewhere around the bot for easy startup? |
| 15:20.24 | Shirik | he does |
| 15:20.25 | Shirik | except.... |
| 15:20.36 | Shirik | shirik@waterdeep:~$ cd batbot |
| 15:20.37 | Shirik | -bash: cd: batbot: Permission denied |
| 15:20.42 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 15:20.42 | Shirik | so I have to run off my copy |
| 15:20.45 | Shirik | except.... |
| 15:20.58 | Gnarfoz | if you know the full path, you can still start it, btw ^^ |
| 15:21.00 | Gnarfoz | (possibly) |
| 15:21.10 | nevcairiel | no you cant |
| 15:21.14 | Shirik | shirik@waterdeep:~$ ./batbot.lua ./freenode.conf |
| 15:21.14 | Shirik | usr/local/bin/lua: ./batbot.lua:45: module 'batbot.google' not found: |
| 15:21.20 | Shirik | awesome huh :) |
| 15:22.57 | hipjipp^ | http://lua-users.org/wiki/BatBot ^^ |
| 15:23.28 | Shirik | oh! |
| 15:23.29 | Shirik | Segmentation fault |
| 15:23.30 | Shirik | yay |
| 15:23.32 | hipjipp^ | :P |
| 15:24.15 | Fisker- | just call it a segfault Shirik |
| 15:24.15 | Fisker- | baww |
| 15:24.48 | alestane | Can someone explain briefly what is meant in Java by the construction "new ClassName() {class member list}"? |
| 15:25.37 | Shirik | it's ok, I think cladhaire has access to it, but he's busy. Except now that I've pinged him he'll probably be like "sup" |
| 15:25.43 | cladhaire | sup |
| 15:25.45 | Shirik | :P |
| 15:26.19 | nevcairiel | alestane: its a Anonymous Class, usually used when you only have one instance of it created during runtime for one specific task, like action listeners |
| 15:26.59 | nevcairiel | You wouldnt want to place all ActionListeners into individual files.. :) |
| 15:27.00 | alestane | That's the sort of place I'm seeing it. So it subclasses the named class by adding or overiding with the members in the class block? |
| 15:27.21 | nevcairiel | its essentially like a real class which is derived from the class name |
| 15:27.24 | nevcairiel | so yeah |
| 15:27.54 | alestane | Is the placing of each class in its own file a requirement or a convention of the Java language? |
| 15:28.04 | Mikk | convention |
| 15:28.10 | nevcairiel | i think requirement too |
| 15:28.18 | Mikk | oO |
| 15:28.34 | nevcairiel | it locates classes based on the .class file name |
| 15:28.38 | Mikk | possibly for lib reasons - i wouldn't know, but you can certainly create any number of classes in a single file in your own app |
| 15:28.59 | nevcairiel | Well yeah, but those wont be accessible outside of that file then |
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| 15:29.05 | Shirik | almost |
| 15:29.20 | amro | you put it in a seperate folder so you can have pretty/paths/like/this/one |
| 15:30.22 | alestane | So, if I want to create a class that's reusable in multiple projects, I should put it by itself in a file with the same name as the class, but with ".class" appended? |
| 15:30.39 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 15:30.46 | Mikk | Regardless of whether or not it's a requirement, that's certainly a very good idea |
| 15:30.47 | nevcairiel | just name it "MyClass.java" |
| 15:30.54 | nevcairiel | if it compiles that, it'll be named .class |
| 15:31.02 | alestane | Oh, ok. |
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| 15:32.33 | Shirik | --> return "test" |
| 15:32.34 | Maldivia | public classes need to be in a file with the same name as the class (and in a folder-structure that matches the package), private and package-protected classes do not have the same restrictions |
| 15:32.37 | Shirik | :( |
| 15:32.50 | nevcairiel | lol Shirik |
| 15:32.51 | Shirik | yeah so.... I think I'll leave it to batrick |
| 15:33.44 | Gnarfoz | lua> local function abs(x) if x < 0 then x=-x end return x end; print(abs(-4)) |
| 15:33.44 | lua_bot | Gnarfoz: 4 |
| 15:33.55 | Maldivia | or well, they do, but a bit more loose |
| 15:35.05 | alestane | Is a class package -protected if its definition is preceded neither by the 'public' nor by the 'private' keyword? |
| 15:36.53 | alestane | I'm also discovering one other annoyance of Java code...if I don't recognize a particular class, figuring out which package describes it so I know where to seek documentation can be difficult. |
| 15:37.16 | nevcairiel | Eclipse usually tells me where a class comes from |
| 15:37.31 | alestane | Maybe XCode knows then. |
| 15:38.54 | alestane | Ah, if I right-click on the class name and select "Jump to Definition" it opens that file. |
| 15:40.23 | Maldivia | and yes, package-protected is if it's not defined private, protected or public |
| 15:40.48 | Maldivia | meaning, any class in the same package can access it (applies to fields and methods aswell) |
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| 15:42.17 | alestane | So a file should not contain more than one public class. |
| 15:42.23 | Maldivia | it can't |
| 15:43.01 | Maldivia | a .java file can only contain one public class, and it must be named the same as the file name (same case aswell) |
| 15:43.06 | alestane | The compiler will reject it? |
| 15:43.10 | Maldivia | yes |
| 15:43.52 | Maldivia | ofcourse, you can have public inner classes |
| 15:44.23 | alestane | But those are contained in the class, not in the file. |
| 15:44.31 | Maldivia | yep |
| 15:45.02 | Maldivia | Mikk: and that would be ? |
| 15:45.14 | Cide | it's not python |
| 15:45.14 | Mikk | Too religiously OO :P |
| 15:45.46 | Maldivia | Mikk: well, lets see about that after java7, if it will contain closures that is :) |
| 15:46.23 | Mikk | Yoink java with closures |
| 15:46.25 | Mikk | Interesting |
| 15:46.31 | Mikk | Wait what am I saying ... |
| 15:46.35 | Mikk | JAVA IS SATAN! |
| 15:47.47 | DARKGuy | Mikk: hell yeah |
| 15:49.25 | Gngsk | Gnarfoz, so you're tellin' me I can drink a healthstone and a healthpot in combat with one keybinding using autobar? |
| 15:49.31 | Shirik | So I traced this bug |
| 15:49.33 | Shirik | it's wierd |
| 15:49.41 | Shirik | Lua doesn't crash, it just exits |
| 15:50.02 | Cide | try it on me imo |
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| 15:57.31 | Gnarfoz | Gngsk: if you put them in the same category (or if there's already a category that includes both heal potions and stones), then yes? |
| 15:57.51 | Gnarfoz | Gngsk: just make sure to toggle 'shuffle' so it swaps their places in your inventory |
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| 16:03.19 | MentalPower | anyone here work with C# and threads? |
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| 16:11.20 | alestane | Cool, my main realm is up. |
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| 16:24.53 | Wikwocket | Anyone familiar with the order which casting events arrive in? |
| 16:27.19 | Wikwocket | I'm trying to see if this is really the best way to detect an instant cast spell: http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Reliably_detect_instant_cast_spells |
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| 16:38.09 | ZealotOnAStick | anyone know where the Blizz Updater saves the patch download in Vista? |
| 16:38.14 | Kraps | so is magolo allowed or not |
| 16:38.26 | Kraps | not that im gonna use it |
| 16:40.47 | MentalPower | ZealotOnAStick: since it runs as admin, in the same place as XP |
| 16:43.08 | ZealotOnAStick | No, it's not. |
| 16:43.08 | Rabbitbunny | WoW, 'Gigantique' Bag, 22 slot. |
| 16:43.13 | ZealotOnAStick | Users - Public - Public Documents - Blizzard Entertainment - World of Warcraft |
| 16:43.14 | malreth | is a magolo anything like a gigolo? |
| 16:43.27 | Kraps | ... |
| 16:43.47 | ZealotOnAStick | Magolo or Magelo? |
| 16:43.49 | alestane | Kraps: I think we pretty well established that Magelo's actions violate the ToS. Whether or not it will get you banned is a separate question, but it is against the ToS, and you can be banned for it. |
| 16:44.26 | Kraps | pretty well established? you mean the lawsuit? |
| 16:44.59 | alestane | Not sure about a lawsuit. But the UI Forum has been going on about it for weeks now. |
| 16:45.19 | Kraps | ah |
| 16:45.39 | Rabbitbunny | What is it? |
| 16:46.11 | alestane | Magelo records information about your character and uploads it to a website where you can share it with people. |
| 16:46.29 | malreth | Rabbitbunny: a magolo is a man that makes women feel all good with 'magic' |
| 16:48.25 | Rabbitbunny | I can't see why Blizzard would oppose such things. |
| 16:48.39 | malreth | Rabbitbunny: it scans WoW memory space |
| 16:49.06 | Rabbitbunny | While providing a free benefeit to users. |
| 16:49.28 | malreth | doesn't matter |
| 16:49.52 | inviso | It's not what it does, it's how it does it. |
| 16:50.26 | Gnarfoz | other character profilers stick to what's ok, this one doesn't |
| 16:50.56 | alestane | If you were running a business, you wouldn't want some stranger walking in and rifling through all your file cabinets and computers and reading all your private business records. |
| 16:51.02 | Rabbitbunny | ... |
| 16:51.12 | Rabbitbunny | That's just... wrong. |
| 16:51.18 | Rabbitbunny | l2clue. |
| 16:51.29 | Gnarfoz | grow up instead |
| 16:51.54 | Rabbitbunny | Yeah, It's really imature to be literate. |
| 16:51.59 | Rabbitbunny | Fucking retards. |
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| 16:52.15 | alestane | Even if they weren't using that information to gain a competitive advantage over you, you wouldn't be comfortable with them doing that. And that is basically what Magelo does, I'm afraid. It's not trying to abuse the game, but it gets its information in a way that Blizzard doesn't want being used on WoW. |
| 16:53.07 | Gnarfoz | don't read its memory space. simple. magelo does that. also simple. |
| 16:53.07 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 16:53.15 | ZealotOnAStick | Basically, it all comes down to this: The TOS/EULA says, don't reverse engineer our shit. |
| 16:53.32 | ZealotOnAStick | Magelo reverse-engineered Blizzard's shit to be able to find out precisely what to scan for, where. |
| 16:55.26 | Gnarfoz | he's gone? :p |
| 16:55.54 | malreth | WTF was up with him? |
| 16:56.22 | alestane | "Really immature," he says. RIght before he calls us all names and stalks out of the chat room. |
| 16:56.48 | Wikwocket | Is there really now way to tell if a spellcast was instant, until UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED? |
| 16:57.00 | Wikwocket | That would mean waiting for 2x latency to pass before you'd know, right? |
| 16:57.56 | Kraps | zomglol |
| 16:58.03 | Maldivia | you could always do a tooltip scan of the spell that's being cast, although I don't know how that works with spells that make the next spell instant |
| 16:58.10 | Mikk | 1 x latency actually |
| 16:58.17 | Mikk | but that's unimportant i guess |
| 16:58.32 | Wikwocket | 1x? |
| 16:59.08 | Wikwocket | I would think, 1x to tell the server you're casting, 1x for the server to tell you UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED? |
| 16:59.29 | Mikk | "latency" is the round trip time, the time it takes for a packet to get to the server and a response to arrive |
| 16:59.47 | Mikk | in this case, i imagine it'll be "I cast!" sent to the server, and a "Instant cast fired!" response |
| 16:59.53 | Wikwocket | Ooh, my bad on the terminology. |
| 17:00.10 | Mikk | yeah and unimportant as i said :P |
| 17:00.23 | Fisker- | Mikk |
| 17:00.26 | Fisker- | i am unstoppable btw |
| 17:00.33 | Mikk | only for 10 seconds |
| 17:00.38 | Wikwocket | Well, I hate the idea of lag, but it may beat listing out every instant cast spell in the game! |
| 17:00.51 | Fisker- | noes Mikk |
| 17:00.54 | Maldivia | if you don't want to wait for the confirmation, could GetSpellInfo(spellId) on _SENT ? |
| 17:01.44 | Wikwocket | Oooh that looks promising |
| 17:01.52 | Wikwocket | That is just what I was looking for |
| 17:02.20 | Kraps | anyone remember this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrupted_Blood |
| 17:02.23 | Wikwocket | I imagine instants return a castTime of 0? |
| 17:02.36 | Mikk | you might want to double check what happens for e.g. nature's swiftness |
| 17:02.47 | Maldivia | yeah, was about to write about NS and PoM :) |
| 17:02.59 | Mikk | if you're lucky, it'll work |
| 17:03.12 | Wikwocket | Well, I don't need to catch EVERY instant cast, I just want to not trigger off any non-instants |
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| 17:04.34 | Maldivia | Wikwocket: ohh, you might want to check how it reacts to channeled spells |
| 17:04.45 | Wikwocket | Good point |
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| 17:05.08 | Wikwocket | I heard a rumor that on 2.4.3, weapon swapping does NOT break channeled spells, although it does break cast-time spells |
| 17:05.20 | Wikwocket | I need to try it out, but I need an alt with a channelled spell :P |
| 17:05.46 | Maldivia | roll a mage, and level a few levels to get AM :) |
| 17:06.10 | Maldivia | think it's level 8 or 10 for rank 1 |
| 17:06.37 | Wikwocket | Ah true |
| 17:07.06 | Wikwocket | someone said you could still swap to a spirit staff for evocate without breaking the channel, I'm curious |
| 17:07.14 | Wikwocket | as this is for my mod CasterWeaponSwapper |
| 17:07.31 | Maldivia | Wikwocket: who would want that now, since evoc regen % max mana |
| 17:08.23 | Wikwocket | Well, I have heard the case for either a high-int one, or a high-spirit one |
| 17:08.31 | foxlit | those @#$@#$@ owe me one equipment slot in this patch. |
| 17:08.39 | alestane | Used to be high-spirit, now high-int. |
| 17:08.48 | Wikwocket | With a spirit one, you do get 1-2 ticks of full regen at the end of the channel |
| 17:09.19 | Wikwocket | I just let the mages mathcraft it, and pick whatever weapon they want to swap in B) |
| 17:09.42 | foxlit | I'll blame you for having cuased that change, Wik :) |
| 17:09.45 | Maldivia | mana regen is based on both mana and spirit, so I'd say a high-int one would be best |
| 17:10.01 | Wikwocket | Good point |
| 17:10.24 | Wikwocket | And foxlit, I think you can blame LibramMeister et all for this 2.4.3 change, not little ole' me! |
| 17:10.48 | foxlit | the lot of you, tbh :) |
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| 17:14.00 | foxlit | The sad part is that now makes a level 68 rare the best idol :( |
| 17:14.30 | Wikwocket | I know, it really highlights the poor relic itemization |
| 17:20.01 | Drundia | relics should have provided "standard" bonuses like all items |
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| 17:20.42 | foxlit | Oh, dunno |
| 17:20.52 | foxlit | That kind of homogenizes them to "ranged weapons without damage" |
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| 17:21.20 | foxlit | If the classes wielding them lose the ability to have a vanilla ranged attack, what's replacing it? |
| 17:21.28 | Wikwocket | I like the unique bonuses, but when there are only a dizen to choose from and some are terrible... |
| 17:21.37 | Wikwocket | *dozen |
| 17:22.04 | foxlit | Just making them scale somewhat as you go through content would be good |
| 17:22.39 | Drundia | hybrids can do higher melee damage than casters with wands |
| 17:22.42 | foxlit | I mean, I don't mind a static starfire bonus as long as it actually increases as other gear from outland dungeons to sunwell |
| 17:22.56 | foxlit | Drundia: that statement is not universally true |
| 17:23.09 | foxlit | Nor is "melee damage of lol" a replacement for a generic ranged attack |
| 17:23.14 | Drundia | and then also it's not like everyone is shooting wands a lot |
| 17:23.37 | foxlit | For what it's worth, high-end wands probably hit for more than my high-end staff |
| 17:23.51 | foxlit | As well as shoot faster, and trigger more JoW ticks |
| 17:25.01 | Lopeppeppy | yay, judgements!!! |
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| 17:25.28 | Gnarfoz | <Wikwocket> someone said you could still swap to a spirit staff for evocate without breaking the channel, I'm curious <-- what for? |
| 17:25.51 | Lopeppeppy | I'm the distance healer, NightHawkTheSane, so I'm never close enough. My tank and ret do my judgements. *le sigh* |
| 17:26.01 | malreth_ | Gnarfoz: it used to be mages would swap out to a high spirit weapon for more mana when evocating |
| 17:26.07 | Gnarfoz | it used to be, yes |
| 17:27.11 | Lopeppeppy | ~lart NightHawkTheSane |
| 17:27.11 | purl | whacks NightHawkTheSane with a giant beaver's tail |
| 17:27.15 | Lopeppeppy | Meanie. |
| 17:28.01 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 17:28.06 | Wikwocket | Gnarfoz: CasterWeaponSwapper will swap to a high-int or high-spirit weapon when you evocate, get an innervate, etc |
| 17:28.15 | Gnarfoz | erm |
| 17:28.27 | Wikwocket | but if swapping weapons cancels channeling now, I need to disable that part |
| 17:28.44 | malreth | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903587363&postId=79028485107&sid=1#9 |
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| 17:31.30 | malreth | Wikwocket: i'd test it now for you but i'm at work |
| 17:32.07 | Wikwocket | Thank you, I'm patching now so I can test it |
| 17:32.12 | Shirik | >>> return newproxy |
| 17:32.13 | Cide | Shirik: function: 00326D40 |
| 17:32.14 | malreth | i forgot to patch before leaving home |
| 17:32.29 | Wikwocket | I should have done this, I dunno, in the weeks 2.4.3 was on PTR? :( |
| 17:32.48 | malreth | bittorrent activity is a big red flag on our network... especially for employees. :( |
| 17:33.12 | Lopeppeppy | maybe, Wikwocket. *hug* |
| 17:33.53 | foxlit | I'm surprised people didn't write something to abuse blizzard's HTTP peer yet |
| 17:33.53 | Drundia | what is that evil newproxy? |
| 17:33.58 | Fisker- | here's it's a big neon green flag malreth |
| 17:34.06 | Fisker- | shh foxlit |
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| 17:37.28 | Shirik | >>> return io |
| 17:37.28 | Cide | Shirik: nil |
| 17:38.18 | cladhaire | patchdiff: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/ref/patchdiff/8278/8606 |
| 17:38.25 | Fisker- | somewhat disturbing of course |
| 17:38.30 | malreth | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903838049&sid=1 |
| 17:38.52 | malreth | riding crop swapping mods are interrupting casting out of mounts |
| 17:39.11 | malreth | that's gonna suck |
| 17:39.41 | Wikwocket | So swapping ANY item breaks spellcasts? That's kind of obnoxious overkill |
| 17:39.53 | Shirik | I agree with it tbh |
| 17:40.02 | Fisker- | nah |
| 17:40.05 | Fisker- | make better librams imo |
| 17:40.22 | Shirik | I agree with that too |
| 17:41.12 | Wikwocket | I agree with the spirit of the change, but they could have made it only happen when swapping weapons, ranged items, and relics |
| 17:41.40 | malreth | especially since swapping trinkets when dismounting is so common |
| 17:41.45 | Fisker- | You can't swap anything else? |
| 17:42.03 | Fisker- | As far as i read this change only affects in-combat swapping |
| 17:42.07 | Drundia | they just should change those mount speed increasing trinkets to enchants already |
| 17:42.17 | Wikwocket | Out of combat as well Fisker- |
| 17:42.27 | Fisker- | yeah and stack with crusader aura hoho Drundia |
| 17:42.49 | Fisker- | if only that damned bird from kael had dropped |
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| 17:43.35 | malreth | ... |
| 17:43.39 | Fisker- | I had most dkp for teh birdie |
| 17:43.41 | Wikwocket | ... |
| 17:43.52 | Lunessa | ~onjoin - |
| 17:43.52 | purl | Lunessa: ok |
| 17:43.58 | malreth | booo! |
| 17:44.07 | Fisker- | ~onjoin :D? |
| 17:44.13 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 17:44.47 | Lunessa | If i read the help file correctly that should have removed the onjoin for me. :P |
| 17:45.19 | cladhaire | UMM YEAH I DOSE THIS CRUD WITH 1.12 too SO NOW WHAT!! |
| 17:45.38 | malreth | ~onjoin lunessa |
| 17:45.39 | Fisker- | i am scared cladhaire |
| 17:45.42 | Fisker- | very scared |
| 17:45.45 | Wikwocket | purl has a help file? |
| 17:45.52 | malreth | ~botsmack |
| 17:45.53 | purl | OWW! |
| 17:45.53 | cladhaire | lolwut http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=7142#comments |
| 17:45.54 | Fisker- | ~halp |
| 17:45.55 | purl | Help yourself, scrub. |
| 17:45.59 | Fisker- | Yeah |
| 17:46.00 | Fisker- | right there |
| 17:46.32 | malreth | ~onjoin lunessa |
| 17:48.11 | malreth | hmm... well wutever |
| 17:49.44 | foxlit | The DBM website clearly does not want you to download DBM |
| 17:50.09 | malreth | no, foxlit. DBM is reserved for special people who are not you |
| 17:50.46 | foxlit | Indeed, those people must be special to need that sort of junk displayed all over their screen and in /rw! |
| 17:51.46 | malreth | foxlit: have you ever TRIED to raid?! the one thing raiders need MORE OF is more screen clutter and warnings and texts when in a boss encounter |
| 17:52.16 | foxlit | And dinging bells |
| 17:52.22 | foxlit | (grats Cide!) |
| 17:53.11 | malreth | every time i'm in the druid glade in SW and the clock strikes at the hour, i panic and start looking nervous |
| 17:54.00 | malreth | and that is why i hate Cide with every part of my body including my pee pee |
| 17:54.03 | Lunessa | Oh DBM makes me grind my teeth. |
| 17:54.15 | Lunessa | BigWigs is not much better. |
| 17:54.21 | Drundia | raiders need addon to tell them everything they have to do |
| 17:54.31 | Drundia | including a friendly reminder to move out of fire |
| 17:54.32 | Cide | you all love the ding |
| 17:54.46 | Drundia | and telling them when they have to use mana pots and what spells to shoot |
| 17:55.03 | kamdis | Drundia, that's a little harsh. |
| 17:55.38 | Fisker- | http://i33.tinypic.com/2qnm8h2.jpg <-btw aren't i awesome? |
| 17:55.43 | malreth | Drundia: we need all the help we can get when we're trying to drink scotch and raid at the same time |
| 17:55.48 | Kirov | Drundia - for some people that is actually really important, but because they're bad players, but because anything but the highest spell detail makes the @#%! fire invisible. |
| 17:56.02 | cladhaire | so its tuesday |
| 17:56.10 | cladhaire | how in the hell are the us servers up, and the eu servers stuck at handshaking. |
| 17:56.11 | cladhaire | wtf. |
| 17:56.18 | Shirik | OWNED |
| 17:56.23 | Shirik | <3 |
| 17:56.24 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 17:56.26 | Fisker- | hey Shirik |
| 17:56.29 | Fisker- | i has authenticator irl |
| 17:56.29 | Shirik | no |
| 17:56.32 | Shirik | so do I |
| 17:56.32 | malreth | i thought about writing a mod that would tell me if i had >20 sec. of mana left just so i can think a tiny bit less when deciding when to use my trinkets |
| 17:56.34 | Shirik | it's sitting in my mailbox |
| 17:56.35 | Fisker- | no u |
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| 17:56.41 | Fisker- | it's sitting on my table |
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| 17:56.51 | *** part/#wowuidev Kowski_ (n=Kowksi@pv105028.reshsg.uci.edu) |
| 17:57.24 | wereHamster | Fisker-: no, you are not awesome, you are just crazy |
| 17:57.33 | Fisker- | >:( |
| 17:57.36 | cladhaire | brb trying vpn |
| 17:57.38 | malreth | i think Fisker- is pretty |
| 17:57.41 | Shirik | ~wereHampster++ |
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| 17:57.48 | Fisker- | ~Fisker-++ |
| 17:57.58 | Fisker- | [19:57:45] <purl> please don't karma yourself |
| 17:58.00 | Fisker- | that's unfair |
| 17:58.06 | wereHamster | Shirik: what's a hampster? |
| 17:58.08 | Fisker- | ~Fisker--- |
| 17:58.09 | malreth | didn't think that would work, did ya? |
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| 17:58.33 | wereHamster | ~emulate Fisker- |
| 17:58.34 | purl | emulate fisker- is probably DISCLAIMER - The views of Fisker- do not necessarily represent this channel or its inhabitents. The Fisker- regularly browses 4chan looking for CP, or at least JB, and tries to convert more followers to his cause everyday. He says he's just a fan of "Captain Picard" and "Joe Bishop", but we know better, right? We think he's just here to try and get more CP, so watch out! - END DISCLAIMER |
| 17:58.34 | malreth | ~karma malreth |
| 17:58.34 | purl | malreth has neutral karma |
| 17:58.41 | malreth | HOWW? |
| 17:58.42 | Fisker- | ~karma Fisker- |
| 17:58.42 | purl | fisker- has karma of -5 |
| 17:58.43 | Wikwocket | Okay, for anyone curious: getSpellInfo returns a castTime of 0 for channeled spells |
| 17:58.46 | Shirik | wereHamster: Your pet |
| 17:58.46 | Fisker- | yessir |
| 17:58.47 | Fisker- | i win |
| 17:58.52 | Fisker- | ~karma wereHamster |
| 17:58.52 | purl | werehamster has neutral karma |
| 17:58.56 | Drundia | of course, spell detail and stupid fires is really stupid from blizzard... |
| 17:59.00 | Wikwocket | And swapping weapons interrupts cast spells, but not channels like arcane missles |
| 17:59.03 | haste | ~karma haste |
| 17:59.03 | purl | haste has neutral karma |
| 17:59.06 | haste | :( |
| 17:59.15 | Fisker- | ~karma purl |
| 17:59.15 | purl | purl has karma of 16 |
| 17:59.19 | malreth | ~haste-- |
| 17:59.19 | Fisker- | so whats up haste? |
| 17:59.29 | haste | >:( |
| 17:59.29 | Wikwocket | Not sure why this is mind you, maybe Blizzard likes mages swapping weapons when evocating |
| 17:59.35 | Fisker- | ~haste-- |
| 17:59.46 | haste | ~haste |
| 17:59.46 | purl | a very pervert guy, he always makes porn voices on Ventrilo. |
| 17:59.46 | Drundia | SpellStopCasting() never stopped channels... |
| 17:59.54 | Fisker- | ~karma haste |
| 17:59.54 | purl | haste has karma of -2 |
| 18:00.01 | haste | >:'( |
| 18:00.01 | Drundia | maybe that's why channels don't stop from swapping |
| 18:00.09 | Wikwocket | Ah interesting |
| 18:00.14 | Drundia | casting != channeling |
| 18:00.21 | Shirik | ~wereHamster++ |
| 18:00.24 | Shirik | :) |
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| 18:00.48 | Kirov | Targeting using /target will prefer live targets over dead ones. - holy damn, that's a rather major little nugget |
| 18:00.51 | Fisker- | ~Shirik++ |
| 18:00.53 | Thunder_Child | ~karma Thunder_Child |
| 18:00.53 | purl | thunder_child has karma of 1 |
| 18:00.55 | Fisker- | if you know what i mean Shirik |
| 18:01.06 | haste | ~Fisker--- |
| 18:01.29 | Drundia | Wikwocket, channeled spells can have non-zero cast times. |
| 18:01.38 | haste | *food* |
| 18:01.57 | Wikwocket | Drundia: How is that? |
| 18:02.04 | Wikwocket | Oh maybe lock summons? |
| 18:02.05 | Drundia | seduction, mind control are like that |
| 18:02.12 | Wikwocket | Good point |
| 18:02.14 | Drundia | ritual of summoning is as well |
| 18:03.19 | wereHamster | thanks Shirik :) |
| 18:03.31 | wereHamster | ~Shirik++ |
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| 18:04.09 | Lunessa | kamdis: OMG MAH QUESTHELPER IS BORKED! HALP MEEEEE~! |
| 18:04.16 | Shirik | ~kill lua_bot |
| 18:04.17 | purl | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged anti-meson gun at lua_bot |
| 18:04.18 | Shirik | er |
| 18:04.22 | Shirik | ~kill Lunessa |
| 18:04.22 | purl | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged fluxneutron gun at Lunessa |
| 18:04.32 | Lunessa | ~failrick |
| 18:04.43 | Lunessa | :p |
| 18:04.56 | sioraiocht | anyone know wtf is up with the EU servers? |
| 18:05.09 | malreth | Blizzard hates Europeans |
| 18:06.16 | sioraiocht | thanks, that's so useful |
| 18:06.52 | Thunder_Child | http://www.torsopants.com/bandgeekhero |
| 18:07.00 | Shirik | Fisker- has already indicated that I will live forever in a black hole, and learn what it's like to be there |
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| 18:07.36 | malreth | ~love sioraiocht |
| 18:07.37 | purl | If you love sioraiocht so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 18:07.38 | Kirov | That's fine. You're free to exist in any dimensional reality that's not mine and fail there. |
| 18:07.43 | sioraiocht | lol |
| 18:09.37 | Lunessa | Always with the negative waves, Moriarity. Always with the negative waves. |
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| 18:11.55 | Lunessa | Gah.. going to lose power to this building soon. |
| 18:12.00 | malreth | In the news recently, a koala in Canberra, Australia survived colliding with and being dragged by a vehicle at 60 mph. |
| 18:12.08 | Thunder_Child | ~lol Lunessa |
| 18:12.16 | Thunder_Child | fail purl, fail |
| 18:12.22 | malreth | Also, the koala has chlamydia |
| 18:12.22 | Shirik | your power company tells you when you're going to lose power? |
| 18:12.28 | malreth | chlamydial |
| 18:12.38 | Lunessa | No, Building services tells us they're going to cut the power in 10 mins. |
| 18:12.56 | malreth | s/chlamydial// |
| 18:12.59 | malreth | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25681756/?GT1=43001 |
| 18:14.11 | Kirov | "We, the building management, not entirely sold on this 'electricity' thing. We've decided we're not going to believe it anymore. As a result, we stopped paying the bills for it with the money you've been paying us and spent it on more important things, like new golf clubs." |
| 18:14.47 | Lunessa | Kirov: Something like that. Or A/C repairs. |
| 18:15.14 | Dashkal | Kirov: that looks like something right out of a fark headline... |
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| 18:15.21 | Kirov | I like my story better. |
| 18:16.01 | Kirov | alternative story - "So, Mr. Horse, what do you think of electricty?" *pause* "No sir, I don't like it." |
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| 18:19.49 | Kirov | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN-5-_2xJJI&NR=1 |
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| 18:23.01 | Shirik | batrick_: btw, ping when you get back |
| 18:24.33 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/07/13/funny-pictures-mysteriously-not-saving-gas/ |
| 18:25.21 | haste | Lunessa: I raise with http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/06/20/funny-pictures-take-that-grass/ |
| 18:25.26 | Kirov | http://www.petitiononline.com/d3art/petition.html - some people just don't like color |
| 18:25.54 | Lunessa | haste: Rock on |
| 18:27.11 | Dashkal | um... I watched that gameplay video |
| 18:27.14 | Dashkal | I thought it did still look creepy |
| 18:27.25 | Dashkal | They managed to make what I think was a sunny day look dismal |
| 18:27.46 | malreth | http://www.dorks.com/videos/Toonces-the-Driving-Cat-Part-1.html |
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| 18:29.59 | Corey | I use infinibar right now to add extra buttons that I can put normal items like herbs in for tracking etc and don't take actual action bar space is there any other mods that do that besides flexbar? |
| 18:31.26 | Lunessa | petitions of that nature are foolish, silly, and idiotic. |
| 18:31.47 | cladhaire | how would you prefer they express their opinions? |
| 18:31.48 | Lunessa | infinibar or trinity bars will do what you want. |
| 18:32.17 | malreth | cladhaire: they should make emo youtube vlogs |
| 18:32.33 | Lunessa | cladhaire: Expressing an opinion is fine. I'm not agianst that. I'm against the concept of "you will make your product the way we tell you to" before a product is even available. |
| 18:32.34 | cladhaire | LEAVE DIABLO III COLOR ALONE!!! |
| 18:32.45 | Corey | the dude that makes infini posted that hes not going to be working on it anymore though |
| 18:32.46 | cladhaire | Lunessa: that's not what the petition says |
| 18:32.53 | Corey | so I don't want to rely on that |
| 18:33.14 | cladhaire | Lunessa: And waiting to express the opinion is a pretty sure way to make sure your voice isn't heard |
| 18:33.25 | cladhaire | hopefully the case has been posted on the bnet forums as well |
| 18:33.28 | cladhaire | because i frankly agree. |
| 18:33.28 | kamdis | They can do whatever they want, petitions and the like, but the only thing that will have any real influence (especially at this late stage) is refusing to purchase the game en masse. |
| 18:33.52 | kamdis | Unfortunately, by that time it's too late. |
| 18:34.17 | cladhaire | that's not true at all |
| 18:34.27 | cladhaire | this is specifically WHY games have test periods |
| 18:34.36 | cladhaire | why the PTR exists, and why beta tests happen |
| 18:34.43 | Corey | is trinity still being worked on? |
| 18:34.44 | kamdis | You think they will redo all the art? |
| 18:34.49 | kamdis | Yes, Corey, it is. |
| 18:34.52 | cladhaire | they dont have to |
| 18:34.54 | Lunessa | cladhaire: *shrug* I'm not a fan of "internet petitions" of this nature. A well worded thought-provoking forums post would, in my opinion have been better. Petition is for redress of wrongs. It's okay to have a different stance, I'm just stating my opinion. |
| 18:35.02 | malreth | "Hey guys! Remember all those hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of time that we've put into building our models and graphic assets? We should scrap it and start over to appease some whiny brats on the interwebs." |
| 18:35.13 | cladhaire | scrap |
| 18:35.13 | cladhaire | no |
| 18:35.13 | Corey | ok I'll try that one then, thanks |
| 18:35.14 | kamdis | malreth++ |
| 18:35.17 | cladhaire | you can alter what you already ahve |
| 18:35.22 | cladhaire | stop being purposely obtuse |
| 18:35.37 | cladhaire | Lunessa: he made a well worded throught-provoking post, and rather than letting it get flamed by the fucktards on the forums.. he placed it somewhere where people could agree with it |
| 18:35.41 | cladhaire | he didn't say "we'l'l boycot you" |
| 18:35.48 | cladhaire | but he did say, here's my thoughts, and peopel who agree with me |
| 18:35.54 | cladhaire | I dont see how that's a bad thing |
| 18:36.03 | cladhaire | he did everything he should and could have, in the right way |
| 18:36.07 | Shirik | random comment: It's very strange sitting next to someone that types as fast as me |
| 18:36.09 | cladhaire | I agree, most petitions are idiocy incarnate |
| 18:36.38 | malreth | next time i see a clothing designer working on his latest line, I'll be sure to tell him to change his artistic direction to make me happy |
| 18:36.41 | NightHawkTheSane | This is awesome: http://drhorrible.com/ |
| 18:36.44 | Shirik | he doesn't type nearly as loudly as I do though :) |
| 18:36.49 | Lunessa | Perhaps I was overly harsh in my criticism, but, it still feels like demands to me. I get a gut-level "fuck you" reaction to demands. |
| 18:37.05 | cladhaire | Lunessa: they're not demands, they're saying "we're disappointed, and here's our feedback" |
| 18:37.18 | cladhaire | malreth: no one is _TELLING_ anyone to do anything |
| 18:37.20 | Shirik | eh, I didn't get that Lunessa. I don't play Diablo so I don't really know, but it doesn't seem like a... "harsh" partition |
| 18:37.20 | cladhaire | that's the whole point |
| 18:37.23 | Lunessa | Yeah, but a "petition" implies demand. |
| 18:37.29 | cladhaire | Lunessa: NO it doesn't. |
| 18:37.50 | cladhaire | A petition is a request to an authority, most commonly a government official or public entity. |
| 18:37.55 | cladhaire | request ~= demand |
| 18:37.56 | cladhaire | in this case |
| 18:37.59 | cladhaire | it doesn't DEMAND anything |
| 18:38.05 | cladhaire | it says, "Here's our concern.. just hear us out" |
| 18:38.07 | cladhaire | and "I'm not alone" |
| 18:38.19 | cladhaire | I absolutely and 100% agree with you on the bulk of petitions |
| 18:38.23 | cladhaire | but i've played the diablo universe |
| 18:38.26 | cladhaire | I read the petition |
| 18:38.31 | cladhaire | I looked at the screenshots |
| 18:38.34 | Lunessa | "What we want:" & " What we ask Blizzard is to find a way of pleasing the fans of the Diablo universe by giving us a true sequel to Diablo 2 that is graphically coherent with the Diablo universe it belongs to. " feels like a demand. It's fine. We don't agree. No sweat. |
| 18:38.45 | cladhaire | "What we ask" |
| 18:38.57 | cladhaire | "no" is a correct answer |
| 18:39.13 | cladhaire | "No, we like the art direction, thanks for posting your concise thoughts" |
| 18:39.29 | Lunessa | I rather expect that will be the answer. |
| 18:39.37 | cladhaire | I hope not |
| 18:39.57 | malreth | the correct answer... is no answer |
| 18:39.58 | cladhaire | Its a DRASTIC change |
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| 18:40.14 | malreth | any response positive or negative only reinforces the attention getting behavior |
| 18:40.22 | cladhaire | wow |
| 18:40.26 | cladhaire | you peopel are being fucks |
| 18:40.33 | malreth | no |
| 18:40.34 | malreth | just me |
| 18:41.09 | cladhaire | well, i dont like singling people out :P |
| 18:41.09 | Kirov | cladhaire - makes sense though. Think about it this way, the people who pushed Diablo's original visual direction are no longer at Blizzard. |
| 18:41.09 | malreth | ~toosex Lopeppeppy |
| 18:41.09 | purl | Lopeppeppy is too sex for me. |
| 18:41.09 | wereHamster | whatever the outcome is, nothing that couldn't be fixed with a compiz plugin / shader :) |
| 18:41.09 | cladhaire | Kirov: is that a reason to retcon the entire universe? |
| 18:41.09 | malreth | hmm... |
| 18:41.22 | malreth | purl, you're a little slow. |
| 18:41.22 | purl | I know you are but what am I? |
| 18:41.27 | malreth | oh! |
| 18:41.29 | malreth | OH! |
| 18:42.05 | Kirov | cladhaire - sure, new people mean a new vision. |
| 18:42.08 | cladhaire | and how are the fans saying "Hear us out..." a problem? |
| 18:42.36 | Kirov | It's possible this direction was one that some people at blizzard already wanted, and now they're getting their way. |
| 18:42.46 | Kirov | Nothing wrong, just futile. |
| 18:42.47 | Corey | can you set trinity to not replace the default bars |
| 18:42.53 | cladhaire | how is it futile? |
| 18:43.02 | cladhaire | not saying anything is the only way to not have any action |
| 18:43.08 | kamdis | corey - I don't believe so. |
| 18:43.08 | cladhaire | when you state your opinions |
| 18:43.10 | cladhaire | either people agree, or disagree |
| 18:43.18 | Dashkal | Futile? You're forgetting that the point of this is to make money. If paying customers speak, they'll be listened to. Not blindly followed, but listened to. |
| 18:43.23 | cladhaire | just sitting on your ass gives you the status quo |
| 18:43.39 | cladhaire | I really don't understand why you gusy have an issue with people expressing their opinions in a concise manner |
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| 18:43.52 | Corey | ahh yea i just found it |
| 18:43.52 | kamdis | Corey, if you are looking for just extra bars, maybe Cog's bar on wowinterface? I think it may use part of the 120 buttons though. |
| 18:43.52 | Shirik | Blizzard cares what their customers think -- if they didn't, they wouldn't have CMs |
| 18:43.53 | cladhaire | the BLIZZARD community team has made it ABUNDANTLY clear that that is what they want |
| 18:43.55 | Corey | this menu is crazy |
| 18:44.12 | Shirik | but their CMs aren't mind readers either :) |
| 18:44.13 | malreth | i'm sure lunessa and others have reasons. i'm just being a fucknut. :p |
| 18:44.13 | cladhaire | not necessary as a petition, but take the text, put it in a forum post, and click post, and you're got what they've been begging for, rather than the dribble that's normally posted. |
| 18:44.39 | cladhaire | :P |
| 18:44.50 | malreth | also, i know that people with strong opinions are easily upset and swayed to emotion |
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| 18:45.09 | malreth | i call it, "the low hanging fruit" |
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| 18:45.09 | kamdis | My personal issue is not necessarily the petition, but what petitions generally represent on the internet. That takes away from his concisely written argument for me. |
| 18:45.22 | cladhaire | well thats your problem, no offense |
| 18:45.22 | kamdis | But like you said, they'll either listen or they won't. |
| 18:45.30 | malreth | very good for a monkey that doesn't have the motivation to reach any higher |
| 18:45.39 | kamdis | Why does this have you so wound up? |
| 18:45.41 | Dashkal | kamdis: Idiots type into IRC all the time... (see where I'm going with this?) |
| 18:46.00 | cladhaire | Because i'm honestly shocked that you guys are having an issue with this |
| 18:46.03 | cladhaire | and what you're insinuating |
| 18:46.05 | kamdis | Telling me I have a problem because I disagree with you is, well... |
| 18:46.15 | cladhaire | ... |
| 18:46.21 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.23 | cladhaire | i agreed with you |
| 18:46.26 | cladhaire | it is your personal issue |
| 18:46.28 | cladhaire | well spotted. |
| 18:46.36 | cladhaire | i was not saying anything more than that. |
| 18:46.52 | cladhaire | I just can't believe you guys would actually prefer people just sit and say and do nothing, which is what I'm getting from this conversation |
| 18:47.05 | kamdis | I never said anything of the sort. |
| 18:47.22 | cladhaire | I'm lumping everyone who has issues with this petition together, which is my problem. |
| 18:47.31 | cladhaire | He's not _bitching_, he's not _demanding_, he's asking that their opinions be considered |
| 18:47.37 | cladhaire | I dont know how thats ever a bad thing |
| 18:47.43 | Maldivia | petition are so popular, because it only requires one person to have a brain, the rest can just click a button to say they agree, thus doesn't have to write anything themselves |
| 18:47.58 | kamdis | Nice friendly atmosphere in here today. :( |
| 18:48.12 | cladhaire | ... |
| 18:48.30 | Shirik | >>> return loadstring |
| 18:48.31 | Cide | Shirik: function: 002D0E00 |
| 18:49.05 | malreth | had a good time at the Lua gathering, Shirik? |
| 18:49.11 | Shirik | still there |
| 18:49.17 | malreth | are there any hot chicks? |
| 18:49.22 | Lopeppeppy | Hi malreth. |
| 18:49.36 | malreth | i already toosexed you, Lopeppeppy |
| 18:49.41 | cladhaire | there's one brazillian girl who's pretty hawt |
| 18:49.55 | Shirik | she kinda is |
| 18:50.04 | Shirik | >>> maybe = string.dump(function() return ({[true]=true})[true] end); maybe = maybe:gsub('\1\1','\1\2'); maybe = loadstring(maybe)() print(type(maybe) == "boolean" and maybe ~= true and maybe ~= false) |
| 18:50.04 | Cide | Shirik: true |
| 18:50.05 | malreth | quality nice |
| 18:50.10 | Shirik | ^ that bug is awesome, btw |
| 18:50.15 | Shirik | "maybe" |
| 18:51.07 | wereHamster | cladhaire: where's the picture? |
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| 18:51.25 | cladhaire | in my spank bank imo |
| 18:51.25 | cladhaire | http://wonkette.com/401156/mcdonalds-refuses-to-hate-gay-people |
| 18:51.29 | Lopeppeppy | "kinda" ? |
| 18:51.36 | Lopeppeppy | Do or do not, there is no try. |
| 18:52.53 | wereHamster | Shirik: your code returns 'false' here |
| 18:53.03 | Shirik | patched Lua? |
| 18:53.05 | malreth | i love how people use the Bible as a rationalization for their hate |
| 18:53.07 | Shirik | it's an old bug from 5.1.3 |
| 18:53.24 | Shirik | or maybe you aren't using 5.1.3? |
| 18:53.25 | wereHamster | Shirik: no, 5.1.3 from gentoo |
| 18:53.30 | Shirik | they may have patched it |
| 18:53.36 | Shirik | I haven't looked |
| 18:53.47 | cladhaire | that post is so hilarious |
| 18:54.02 | Shirik | actually my gentoo box says true :/ |
| 18:54.26 | wereHamster | Shirik: 5.1.3-r3 here |
| 18:54.26 | Cide | Shirik: that bug is amazing |
| 18:54.33 | Cide | >>> _VERSION |
| 18:54.34 | Cide | Cide: "Lua 5.1" |
| 18:54.53 | Shirik | ah |
| 18:54.54 | Shirik | [ebuild R ] dev-lang/lua-5.1.1-r2 USE="readline -static" 0 kB |
| 18:55.06 | Shirik | maybe I need to emerge --sync |
| 18:55.06 | wereHamster | is the bug in readline? |
| 18:55.20 | Shirik | no i'ts in the VM |
| 18:55.23 | Maldivia | cladhaire: love the "I wanted to leave a comment, but there is no way to type a comment in" |
| 18:55.24 | wereHamster | -r3 has 8 patches applied |
| 18:55.26 | Shirik | but you're on r3, I'm on r2 :) |
| 18:56.05 | cladhaire | :P |
| 18:56.12 | wereHamster | does that mean wereHamestr > Shirik ? |
| 18:56.24 | Shirik | no, it just means my server needs to emerge --sync :P |
| 18:56.26 | Nechckn | malreth indeed... that's why many of the non-believers hate the believers, of most religions- too often used as the reason to do XXXXX and that is usually something bad. ;-) |
| 18:57.22 | malreth | Nechckn: no, you misunderstand. I'm fucking Christian and i LOVE how we use the Bible as a rationalization to hate. >:( |
| 18:58.08 | Wikwocket | Not all of us do, you know |
| 18:58.32 | malreth | D:< grrrrrrr.... |
| 18:58.52 | malreth | oh.. i can't keep that one up |
| 18:59.10 | malreth | Wikwocket: i know.. sadly some Christian forget what it means to be Christian |
| 18:59.32 | malreth | s/n f/ns f/ |
| 18:59.41 | foxlit | the COMBAT_LOG_EVENT time |
| 18:59.43 | Nechckn | not only Christioans, either.. look at some of the muslim folks |
| 18:59.49 | foxlit | the closests I can approximate is os.time()+GetTime()%1 |
| 18:59.50 | Nechckn | as if I really need to say that. |
| 19:00.05 | malreth | Nechckn: there are some issues that even the malreth won't touch |
| 19:00.10 | Nechckn | anywhoo... just wanted to comment- back to nerdishness. |
| 19:01.10 | Nechckn | One semi-tech point/question first... Anyone know a good, fast way to send $$ to someone in the US who does not have a computer/Internet access? |
| 19:01.24 | Nechckn | Is like Western Union still the "best"? |
| 19:01.31 | cladhaire | pretty much |
| 19:01.33 | cladhaire | most branches =/ |
| 19:01.40 | Shirik | paypal! |
| 19:01.43 | cladhaire | or you can wire their bank account |
| 19:01.47 | cladhaire | Shirik: no computer |
| 19:01.50 | Shirik | oh :< |
| 19:01.53 | Nechckn | yeah... there's the rub |
| 19:02.00 | Nechckn | I was all set, then bam.. no go. |
| 19:02.01 | Shirik | too busy watching robot! |
| 19:02.02 | malreth | ~rub Nechckn |
| 19:02.06 | Nechckn | heheheh |
| 19:02.14 | Nechckn | and another rub, woo! |
| 19:02.27 | cladhaire | yay robots |
| 19:02.35 | Nechckn | So... cladhaire since Shirik hates me... how long are you in town? |
| 19:02.47 | cladhaire | i leave early tomorrow morning |
| 19:02.52 | Shirik | hey hey hey |
| 19:02.57 | malreth | ~rub Nechckn |
| 19:02.58 | purl | ACTION Rubs Nechckn's face until the skin comes off. |
| 19:03.04 | Shirik | you're the one who ditched me first! |
| 19:03.17 | Shirik | then I didn't realize it would take me an hour to get home :P |
| 19:03.19 | Nechckn | Mmmhmmmmm..... |
| 19:03.25 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 19:03.39 | Shirik | you should have left a voicemail imo |
| 19:03.43 | cladhaire | we're doing dinner with friends tonight, then packing since we leave early |
| 19:03.43 | Shirik | how was I supposed to know your number |
| 19:03.44 | cladhaire | =( |
| 19:04.05 | cladhaire | if i had known, i would have tried to meet up last night |
| 19:04.28 | Nechckn | Shirik it never picked up- and I gave you my number the day before, silly U! |
| 19:04.46 | Nechckn | cladhaire meh.. it's all good, just a thought |
| 19:05.03 | Corey | this trinitybar2 is insanely confusing |
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| 19:07.35 | Lunessa | Well... Now that the power is back on. |
| 19:08.44 | Lopeppeppy | ~comfort Lunessa |
| 19:08.45 | purl | There, there, Lunessa. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:09.09 | malreth | ~rub Lunessa |
| 19:09.09 | purl | ACTION rubs Lunessa raw. Ooh... That smarts! |
| 19:09.13 | Shirik | hey I wonder what happens if I do batbot's bug in WoW |
| 19:09.31 | Lopeppeppy | Wow, welcome back Lunessa. *grin* |
| 19:09.51 | malreth | learning about dollar variable substitutions is going to cause all new kinds of mischief |
| 19:10.26 | Nechckn | Without digging back... anyone have an issue where you crash when you see a mail tauren on your screen, since the patch? |
| 19:10.48 | malreth | mail tauren... like a shaman? |
| 19:10.50 | Wikwocket | A male tauren? Or a postal worker tauren? |
| 19:11.04 | Nechckn | bah... |
| 19:11.08 | Shirik | or a hunter |
| 19:11.09 | Nechckn | s/mail/male |
| 19:11.19 | malreth | huntars don't ware male |
| 19:11.32 | Esamynn | ~fail Nechckn |
| 19:11.33 | purl | Nechckn: FAIL! |
| 19:12.38 | Nechckn | I have mail on my brain... due to a certain issue... many pardons, please =) |
| 19:12.57 | foxlit | Brutallus' Burn spell: I can't seem to detect it jumping from player to player? |
| 19:13.04 | Nechckn | So.. anyway... I take it no one is seeing that issue- just checking for kaiden is all. |
| 19:13.13 | malreth | Nechckn: no prob.. but if we don't poke fun at you, who do we poke fun at? |
| 19:13.29 | Nechckn | Oh, and I am such a good target, too =) |
| 19:13.42 | malreth | ~rub Nechckn |
| 19:13.43 | purl | ACTION rubs Nechckn's face with a cheese grater. |
| 19:16.01 | Esamynn | ~factinfo cmd: rub (.*?) |
| 19:16.01 | purl | cmd: rub (.*?) -- created by malreth <n=triti@w-central-233-234.public.utexas.edu> 13m 9s ago; last modified 7m ago by malreth!n=triti@w-central-233-234.public.utexas.edu; it has been requested 7 times, last by malreth, 2m 18s ago. |
| 19:16.21 | malreth | anybody know what's causing the GM ticket thing to appear for Titan panel users? |
| 19:18.00 | malreth | i should probably get a cloak |
| 19:18.28 | malreth | the ip actually pins me to a physical location |
| 19:18.53 | malreth | i'm likely to get stabbed by ones of yous |
| 19:20.03 | Lunessa | malreth: I know where to find you. muwhahaha |
| 19:20.39 | Lunessa | And now that I has new hoopdi, I might actually be arsed to drive up there. |
| 19:20.54 | malreth | what'd you get Lunessa? |
| 19:21.08 | Lunessa | 2005 Chevy Equinox. |
| 19:21.12 | Lopeppeppy | Is that what a hoopdi is? I've never known, I thought it was a contagious disease. |
| 19:21.40 | Lunessa | It's me mangling slang for a car. I'm too old to be hip anymore. |
| 19:21.54 | Corey | does trinity not like items put in it? |
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| 19:22.15 | Lunessa | Corey what are you trying to do? |
| 19:22.17 | malreth | you can fit a lot of fine looking honeys in that |
| 19:22.27 | Esamynn | zomg, malreth is from TEXAS!!! |
| 19:22.34 | Lunessa | malreth: Yes. Yes I can. |
| 19:23.01 | malreth | Corey: you can only put usable items into an ActionButton |
| 19:23.10 | Corey | Lunessa I'm trying to put my BG marks into it and it only displays if im dragging a spell but I managed to get the mark into it and its not showing an item count for it |
| 19:23.12 | malreth | Motes of Fire, for example |
| 19:23.28 | malreth | bg marks cannot be used so they won't work |
| 19:23.30 | Corey | malreth i set it as Item type |
| 19:23.43 | Lunessa | Corey - that's not a useable item. |
| 19:24.08 | Corey | nope, just want it as a 'track' type thing Infinibar let me do it |
| 19:24.18 | Lunessa | Make a macro #show Mark Name, /use Mark Name and drag that to the tool bar. |
| 19:24.24 | Esamynn | Corey: you can use #show <item name> in a macro |
| 19:24.36 | Esamynn | Lunessa: no need for the /use |
| 19:24.55 | Thunder_Child | malreth, Laurel Ln? |
| 19:25.00 | Lunessa | True I use /use Ankh for my shaman's macro. |
| 19:25.15 | malreth | Thunder_Child: mm? |
| 19:25.19 | Esamynn | Lunessa: why don't you just drag Rebirth onto the hotbar? |
| 19:25.27 | Esamynn | then you get the CD display too |
| 19:25.33 | Lunessa | Passive items dont' drag. |
| 19:25.33 | Thunder_Child | malreth, oh, i was just trying to "pin" you |
| 19:25.40 | malreth | no |
| 19:25.46 | Esamynn | sorry, wrong spell name |
| 19:25.50 | Esamynn | Reincarnation, I meant |
| 19:26.01 | Lunessa | Still, doesn't drag. |
| 19:26.13 | Esamynn | ... I hate it on my hotbar.. |
| 19:26.18 | Esamynn | maybe I used a macro |
| 19:26.20 | Lunessa | Or, didn't last time I checked, so I've been using the macro for like, a year. |
| 19:26.23 | Esamynn | s/hate/have/ |
| 19:26.29 | malreth | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8074-FarmIt.html |
| 19:26.39 | Lunessa | Oh, and Astrolbe is the shit. You da man. |
| 19:26.51 | Esamynn | thank you |
| 19:27.45 | Nechckn | Lunessa oh please... he's bad enough.... |
| 19:28.02 | Nechckn | I mean.. Oh yeah, you are awesome Esamynn |
| 19:28.17 | Lunessa | Hah. I just started using two addons based on his code and they make my life so much easier. He deserves my thanks. |
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| 19:28.50 | Esamynn | ~lart Nechckn |
| 19:28.50 | purl | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up Nechckn |
| 19:28.52 | Nechckn | but, but.... you don't have to live with that ego |
| 19:28.59 | Nechckn | think of the children! |
| 19:29.15 | Esamynn | ~whalenuke Nechckn |
| 19:29.16 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Nechckn with his mind powers. |
| 19:29.33 | MentalPower | lol |
| 19:29.34 | Nechckn | ~whaleshield |
| 19:29.35 | purl | ACTION summons a rather dense leaden whale named Billy Bob to shield nechckn from the blast. |
| 19:29.41 | Nechckn | boom!! |
| 19:30.30 | malreth | so... |
| 19:30.37 | Lunessa | Actually, aside from like, Kamdis (guildee), Jelly (Tx), or Malreth (Tx) I don't have to live with any one's ego. I can just log out. :P (I'm so rude) |
| 19:30.40 | Nechckn | Once Esamynn revives his healer-helper mod, then I'll give him thanks and praise |
| 19:31.18 | Esamynn | Nechckn: the day I get praise from you, will be the day pigs fly... :P |
| 19:31.21 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, not rude enough |
| 19:31.31 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Fuck you. Happy now? |
| 19:31.32 | Nechckn | Most likely |
| 19:31.38 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, nope |
| 19:31.40 | Thunder_Child | more |
| 19:31.47 | Esamynn | ~gag Thunder_Child |
| 19:31.47 | purl | ACTION takes away the voice of Thunder_Child and, as an additional precaution, sews Thunder_Child's mouth shut permanently... |
| 19:31.48 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: fuck-wit. |
| 19:32.02 | Esamynn | ~cheeseslap Lunessa |
| 19:32.03 | purl | ACTION slaps Lunessa around with a wheel of limburger |
| 19:32.08 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, at least put a little thought into it |
| 19:32.08 | Lunessa | ewwww |
| 19:32.21 | Thunder_Child | it's like being insulted by a 5 year old |
| 19:32.27 | Esamynn | ~fishslap tun |
| 19:32.28 | purl | ACTION slaps tun up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 19:32.30 | Esamynn | ~fishslap Thunder_Child |
| 19:32.31 | purl | ACTION slaps Thunder_Child up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 19:32.31 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: I prefer not to think of you. You cause erectile dysfunction. |
| 19:32.31 | malreth | Thunder_Child: you're a load that should have been swallowed |
| 19:32.59 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa & malreth think rather closely |
| 19:33.01 | Thunder_Child | scary |
| 19:33.07 | Thunder_Child | but they both still fail |
| 19:33.18 | Esamynn | Lunessa: which two addons btw? |
| 19:33.36 | Lunessa | Clad's TomTom and Recipe Radar. |
| 19:33.39 | Esamynn | I've been hunting for more addons that use Astrolabe to add to its wiki page |
| 19:33.45 | Esamynn | ok, got those 2 :) |
| 19:33.57 | Lunessa | I forget who did Recipe Radar. |
| 19:34.04 | malreth | question: why would someone use SetParent(nil) on a texture? |
| 19:34.15 | Esamynn | to screw with your mind |
| 19:34.29 | Lunessa | Trying to remove it? |
| 19:34.32 | malreth | my mind is screwed |
| 19:37.16 | MentalPower | Anyone know the .net 3.5 equivalent of System.Windows.Forms.SendKeys.Send()? |
| 19:38.00 | Fisker- | why would you need that? |
| 19:39.14 | Nechckn | Where is that Shirik when you need him, MentalPower |
| 19:39.57 | MentalPower | Fisker-: cause I'm piping chars sent from an RS232 interface into whatever app has focus |
| 19:39.59 | MentalPower | Nechckn: aye |
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| 19:42.19 | Fisker- | man that sony conference is almost as fail as giant enemy crab etc. |
| 19:42.28 | Nechckn | MentalPower http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.windows.forms.sendkeys.send.aspx |
| 19:42.29 | Nechckn | maybe |
| 19:42.38 | Fisker- | he said an alternative |
| 19:42.45 | Fisker- | oh |
| 19:42.50 | Fisker- | he didn't |
| 19:42.52 | MentalPower | Nechckn: asked over at ##csharp and it turns out that I was missing a reference |
| 19:43.01 | Fisker- | That's why i didn't get it :D |
| 19:43.16 | Nechckn | cool, cool |
| 19:43.19 | MentalPower | this is my first .net app :) |
| 19:43.20 | Fisker- | Visual Studio should show you MentalPower |
| 19:43.27 | MentalPower | it wasn't |
| 19:43.40 | MentalPower | I had to manually add System.Windows.Forms |
| 19:43.54 | Fisker- | It only shows because it figures you know what you're doing |
| 19:44.19 | Fisker- | it'll show a small red box rightclicking will give you the choice of adding a using reference |
| 19:44.58 | MentalPower | wasn't an option |
| 19:45.03 | MentalPower | trust me I tried |
| 19:45.15 | Fisker- | Just that most people skip over it |
| 19:45.19 | Fisker- | because it's only there for so long |
| 19:45.39 | Fisker- | doh |
| 19:45.45 | Fisker- | and i don't even have VS installed so i could show you |
| 19:45.53 | Fisker- | *mounts image* |
| 19:50.10 | Lunessa | http://www.drhorrible.com/act_I.html |
| 19:50.59 | Fisker- | I wonder why i don't have to put in any product key when installing VS :I |
| 19:51.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: brilliant, no? :) |
| 19:51.49 | Lunessa | BRILLIANT |
| 19:52.12 | Fisker- | GENIUS |
| 19:55.58 | Shirik | so cladhaire says during his presentation "It IS possible to play World of Warcraft for only 30 minutes at a time, if you're not prone to addiction" -- quick question, how many of you actually agree with this? |
| 19:56.25 | cladhaire | i said possible :P |
| 19:57.02 | NightHawkTheSane | what's NOT possible about it? i mean, there's nothing physically preventing you from simply exiting the game after 30m. |
| 19:57.08 | Nechckn | Meh.. you don't get much done in 30 minutes |
| 19:57.09 | selckin | most things the game make you do take longer then 30min tho |
| 19:57.11 | Shirik | yes there is :P |
| 19:57.16 | Nechckn | unless you are checking auctions and such and that's all |
| 19:57.18 | Shirik | "Just one more mob" |
| 19:57.22 | Shirik | "Just 1 more percent" |
| 19:57.23 | selckin | except for quests when leveling i guess, if you don't add travel time to an inn every time |
| 19:57.24 | Shirik | "Just 1 more level" |
| 19:57.33 | Shirik | it's like the lays potato chips |
| 19:57.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Nechckn, selckin: that's a fairly unrelated issue, though. |
| 19:58.00 | selckin | depends on your definitly of 'play' |
| 19:58.02 | Fisker- | hey it's possible :P |
| 19:58.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: that's addiction. ;) |
| 19:58.17 | Fisker- | I either stay in wow for a couple of minutes, or for a couple of hours |
| 19:58.17 | Shirik | fair enough :P |
| 19:58.42 | Nechckn | NightHawkTheSane what do you mean unrelated- that was just an example of something that would "fit" in 30 minutes is all. |
| 19:59.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Nechckn: er, i mean, the fact that the game's not designed to be played in 30m increments ultimately has fairly little bearing on the ability of players to play for 30m increments. They may not get much done, but that's a different argument, really. |
| 20:00.48 | Fisker- | http://i38.tinypic.com/2ngfuo0.jpg |
| 20:00.51 | Fisker- | See MentalPower ! |
| 20:01.14 | MentalPower | do you hover over that or something? |
| 20:01.24 | Fisker- | nope |
| 20:01.34 | Fisker- | As i have typed SendKeys the block appears |
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| 20:01.44 | Fisker- | then i just use Alt Gr to popup the menu |
| 20:01.44 | MentalPower | and then what? |
| 20:01.58 | MentalPower | hmm... |
| 20:01.59 | Fisker- | you should be able to use the mouse as well though |
| 20:02.01 | Kraps | what are the chances that this guild will disappear: i have a huge PVP nis |
| 20:02.01 | cladhaire | Shirik: I was referring to doing a quest then logging off without worrying about going to the inn, etc. |
| 20:02.12 | Shirik | I'm messing with you :P |
| 20:02.13 | cladhaire | its how I play, more often than not |
| 20:02.16 | cladhaire | NO YOU! |
| 20:02.25 | Nechckn | NightHawkTheSane I guess... it's just that the "time sinkness" makes it difficult- whether someone is *able* to log off, is, indeed, a different thing. |
| 20:03.04 | Fisker- | haha |
| 20:03.09 | MentalPower | FYI: I hate COM Ports |
| 20:03.13 | Fisker- | Sony telling about something not being remotely possible anywhere else |
| 20:03.35 | cladhaire | so |
| 20:03.38 | cladhaire | i want a travel laptop |
| 20:03.40 | cladhaire | thoughts? |
| 20:03.46 | Shirik | MentalPower: Stop using C# to use COM ports and you're fine |
| 20:03.48 | MentalPower | air? :P |
| 20:03.52 | Fisker- | don't do it, it's a trap! |
| 20:03.53 | Shirik | the C API is SOOOOOO easy |
| 20:03.55 | Fisker- | and not an air either |
| 20:03.56 | Fisker- | IBM! |
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| 20:04.15 | Shirik | CreateFile, ReadFile, WriteFile, BuildCommDCB, SetCommParams, done |
| 20:04.22 | Shirik | those are the only 5 functions you'll ever need |
| 20:04.24 | MentalPower | Shirik: My app works, intermittently tho |
| 20:04.32 | Shirik | I blame C# |
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| 20:05.35 | Fisker- | i think it's all Shirik's fault |
| 20:06.34 | MentalPower | Shirik: in C how do you forcefully open a com port? |
| 20:06.46 | MentalPower | as in the last instance forgot to close it |
| 20:06.53 | Fisker- | FORGOT?! |
| 20:07.00 | Shirik | forcefully? If another process has the open it's disallowed by the OS until the process shuts down |
| 20:07.08 | Fisker- | Shirik |
| 20:07.09 | Shirik | that's an OS feature, and the only real stable way to do it imo |
| 20:07.13 | Fisker- | Slam the table! |
| 20:07.17 | MentalPower | alright... |
| 20:07.18 | Shirik | you can kill the process |
| 20:07.23 | MentalPower | so my app is TSR? |
| 20:07.36 | MentalPower | cause I don't see it in the task manager |
| 20:07.39 | Shirik | uh |
| 20:07.46 | Shirik | are you sure :P |
| 20:08.06 | Shirik | When the process shuts down, the OS should free it, because I've done that before :) |
| 20:08.16 | Shirik | this is in C#? |
| 20:08.35 | MentalPower | aye C# |
| 20:08.39 | MentalPower | with two threads |
| 20:08.48 | Shirik | both threads have to be shut down |
| 20:08.49 | MentalPower | one that deals with the com port read, and the UI thread |
| 20:08.51 | Shirik | that happened right? |
| 20:09.03 | Shirik | not just the thread has to shut down, the entire process has to shut down |
| 20:09.22 | MentalPower | ok, well my prog is not running ATM |
| 20:09.34 | Shirik | sec |
| 20:09.54 | Fisker- | Rebooting will definitely fix it though :P |
| 20:10.00 | Fisker- | Just remember to close your connections :D |
| 20:10.07 | Shirik | no, the OS should cover it |
| 20:10.11 | Shirik | I assume you don't have a multimeter |
| 20:10.18 | Fisker- | heh |
| 20:10.24 | Fisker- | I think the reboot thing is quicker |
| 20:10.24 | Fisker- | :D |
| 20:10.27 | Shirik | you don't have hyperterminal or something open? |
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| 20:10.35 | MentalPower | not one I can shove into the pins no |
| 20:10.41 | MentalPower | no hyperterm in vista |
| 20:10.42 | MentalPower | so no |
| 20:10.58 | Shirik | It's theoretically possible it's a bug in C#, but highly unlikely because that would have to be a kernel bug too |
| 20:10.58 | amro|afk | I blame vista |
| 20:11.18 | Fisker- | i agree amro|afk |
| 20:12.15 | MentalPower | ok, so the error I'm getting is that the port is just not opening |
| 20:12.21 | Shirik | ah, what's the error? |
| 20:12.28 | Shirik | Call GetLastError() or whatever C#'s equivalent is |
| 20:12.36 | Shirik | p.s. I hate C# |
| 20:13.16 | MentalPower | sorry, I'm checking .IsOpen on the SerialPort object and its false |
| 20:13.22 | MentalPower | so no actual error |
| 20:13.47 | Shirik | what call are you making to open the port? |
| 20:14.42 | ScytheBlade1 | So, what'd the patch break today? |
| 20:14.59 | sioraiocht | your mom? |
| 20:16.01 | MentalPower | SerialPort serialPortHandle = new SerialPort("COM6"); |
| 20:16.17 | Shirik | what is SerialPort's full name |
| 20:16.19 | MentalPower | its a RS232->USB thingo, hence the high COM# |
| 20:16.35 | MentalPower | what do you mean full name? |
| 20:16.44 | Shirik | found it |
| 20:16.47 | Fisker- | could be a driver problem then? |
| 20:16.50 | Shirik | System::IO::Ports::SerialPort |
| 20:16.58 | MentalPower | oh, classpath, sorry |
| 20:18.17 | Shirik | what's the response from an Open() call on that? |
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| 20:19.14 | MentalPower | void |
| 20:19.22 | Shirik | no exception? |
| 20:20.01 | Shirik | if no exception it should be open / |
| 20:20.02 | Shirik | :/ |
| 20:20.27 | Shirik | are you closing it and then immediately trying to open it again? |
| 20:20.39 | Shirik | MSDN warns "The best practice for any application is to wait for some amount of time after calling the Close method before attempting to call the Open method, as the port may not be closed instantly." |
| 20:20.44 | Kaso | i sware if i see another advert for Wrigleys Extra Fusion im going to kill someone |
| 20:20.51 | Kraps | how long do you think till quest helper is updated? |
| 20:20.58 | MentalPower | no, error is not there, the false IsOpen was a fluke |
| 20:21.06 | Shirik | ah :) |
| 20:21.09 | Shirik | so it is open then :) |
| 20:21.27 | MentalPower | my ReadLine is hanging, and not returning a line even when the device sends one |
| 20:21.37 | MentalPower | so that thread never exits |
| 20:21.40 | Shirik | ahh now that's a completely different issue :) |
| 20:21.41 | MentalPower | dunno why tho |
| 20:21.54 | Shirik | did you set the comm parameters? |
| 20:21.59 | MentalPower | nop |
| 20:22.00 | Shirik | i.e., baud rate, etc. |
| 20:22.02 | MentalPower | defaults worked |
| 20:22.11 | MentalPower | or rather work most of the time :P |
| 20:22.13 | Shirik | how do you know worked? |
| 20:22.15 | Shirik | heh :) |
| 20:22.59 | Shirik | are you sending a \r\n at the end of every transmission? |
| 20:23.11 | Shirik | personally, I HATE ReadLine, but that's a personal preference |
| 20:23.11 | malreth | Lunessa: remember when we were talking about online petitions? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-uTnqYHZ-I |
| 20:23.31 | MentalPower | lemme try adding timeouts |
| 20:23.35 | Shirik | I read characters in bytes or known-blocks at a time |
| 20:23.45 | malreth | nsfw language in that video... wear headphones |
| 20:23.48 | Shirik | that's why my serial protocol always specifies length in each packet |
| 20:24.28 | cladhaire | Opinions: http://www.expansys-usa.com/p.aspx?i=168086 |
| 20:24.43 | Shirik | omg evil price |
| 20:24.55 | cladhaire | .87 |
| 20:24.55 | cladhaire | loser. |
| 20:24.59 | MentalPower | read |
| 20:25.03 | MentalPower | read |
| 20:25.04 | MentalPower | read |
| 20:25.05 | MentalPower | read |
| 20:25.07 | MentalPower | read |
| 20:25.09 | MentalPower | read |
| 20:25.10 | MentalPower | read |
| 20:25.17 | *** kick/#wowuidev [MentalPower!i=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik] by Shirik (l2paste) |
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| 20:25.32 | Nechckn | Be nice, mean old Shirik |
| 20:25.32 | cladhaire | wub |
| 20:25.33 | cladhaire | win |
| 20:25.35 | Shirik | ~hug MentalPower |
| 20:25.35 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs MentalPower |
| 20:25.46 | Shirik | I assumed you pasted something you didn't mean to :) |
| 20:26.23 | Shirik | cladhaire: !! Not a mac! |
| 20:26.24 | Nechckn | He's trying to get the "yutes" interested in books, apparently |
| 20:26.25 | Fisker- | I think he tested his program |
| 20:26.29 | cladhaire | soooo? |
| 20:26.48 | cladhaire | really all i'm concerned with is the keyboard |
| 20:26.49 | Shirik | anyway, the price is unbeatable tbh |
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| 20:27.05 | Shirik | screen's a little small for my preferences but to each is own |
| 20:27.14 | cladhaire | well |
| 20:27.17 | Shirik | 1024x600? |
| 20:27.17 | cladhaire | the asus eee pc is $400 |
| 20:27.21 | cladhaire | so the price is beatable :P |
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| 20:27.27 | cladhaire | and i'm looking for a sub-notebook |
| 20:27.27 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v MentalPower|PC] by ChanServ |
| 20:27.45 | Shirik | it's got a lot though |
| 20:27.45 | MentalPower|PC | Note: Using SendKeys in a loop might be hazardous to your health |
| 20:27.51 | Shirik | :) |
| 20:27.53 | Nechckn | HP tc-1100 |
| 20:28.05 | Shirik | is that seriously how you're sending across the serial line? |
| 20:28.10 | Shirik | with SendKeys? |
| 20:28.10 | MentalPower|PC | no |
| 20:28.13 | Shirik | oh ok |
| 20:28.19 | Nechckn | cladhaire those are really nice, I have one |
| 20:28.26 | Nechckn | even a "real" video card!!! |
| 20:28.29 | Shirik | still, nothing beats debugging a mouse driver |
| 20:28.31 | cladhaire | Nechckn: the MSI Wind? |
| 20:28.35 | cladhaire | it can run mac os x as well |
| 20:28.35 | cladhaire | :P |
| 20:28.46 | Shirik | trying to stop your program when you forgot the bindings to your IDE's "stop" button |
| 20:28.50 | Shirik | not so easy |
| 20:28.53 | cladhaire | Nechckn: now i want to come stalk you so i can touch it :P |
| 20:28.57 | MentalPower|PC | a little background. I'm working with this barcode scanner that has an RS232 interface |
| 20:28.57 | cladhaire | Nechckn: is the keyboard cramped? |
| 20:29.00 | Nechckn | Goodness |
| 20:29.06 | cladhaire | or like. |
| 20:29.09 | cladhaire | UBER cramped? |
| 20:29.15 | Nechckn | See.. if you were not "busy" later.. then I'd show it to you! |
| 20:29.17 | Nechckn | hahahahaha |
| 20:29.21 | Fisker- | doesn't those barcode scanners usually do what you're looking to do out of the box? |
| 20:29.22 | cladhaire | hehe :P |
| 20:29.22 | Nechckn | nah, it's actually nice |
| 20:29.25 | cladhaire | we're having dinner at 7 |
| 20:29.33 | MentalPower|PC | Fisker-: if they're USB, yes |
| 20:29.39 | cladhaire | COME FIND MEEE |
| 20:29.43 | Nechckn | slightly smaller than "standard" |
| 20:29.47 | Nechckn | but not bad at all |
| 20:29.52 | cladhaire | have you had the chance to use the asus eee pc? |
| 20:29.57 | cladhaire | or at least have any comparison? |
| 20:29.59 | Nechckn | I play WoW on it from time to time |
| 20:30.03 | cladhaire | lol |
| 20:30.07 | cladhaire | that would be ridiculous :P |
| 20:30.13 | Nechckn | I actually used to play it on there all the time |
| 20:30.32 | MentalPower|PC | Shirik: so I'm reading the COM port and sending that stuff out to two places 1: my app's window 2: as keystrokes |
| 20:30.41 | Nechckn | I was amazed when moving back to a desktop about how "big" the screen can be. |
| 20:30.46 | Shirik | ah |
| 20:30.47 | cladhaire | heh |
| 20:30.49 | Shirik | I see now, that makes sense |
| 20:30.54 | Shirik | that's how the scanners at best buy work too |
| 20:30.57 | MentalPower|PC | I made the mistake of using the same function for debugging tho, hence the "read\n" flood in here (sorry bout that) |
| 20:30.58 | Nechckn | and all the "edge" detail I was missing.. but I didn't know it at the time. |
| 20:31.10 | Shirik | <3 MentalPower |
| 20:31.13 | Guest445 | is there an issue w/ cosmos and the new patch....i get d/c just as soon as i log in any thoughts |
| 20:31.14 | Nechckn | I have not used the Asus one.. no |
| 20:31.19 | Lunessa | malreth: that video makes me hurt |
| 20:31.23 | Nechckn | my other sub is an IBM Transnote |
| 20:31.26 | Nechckn | that I love |
| 20:31.29 | Fisker- | hah i told you Shirik |
| 20:31.31 | malreth | Lunessa: the video is a lie |
| 20:31.33 | cladhaire | how much is that Nechckn? |
| 20:31.42 | MentalPower|PC | Fisker-: what game? |
| 20:31.45 | malreth | shit, i just lost the game |
| 20:31.45 | Nechckn | which? the HP? |
| 20:31.53 | Fisker- | the game about guessing why you spammed "read" |
| 20:31.53 | Fisker- | :P |
| 20:31.55 | Guest445 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.58 | MentalPower|PC | ah |
| 20:32.17 | MentalPower|PC | at least I know that the timeout works :P |
| 20:32.26 | MentalPower|PC | set it at 100ms |
| 20:32.41 | MentalPower|PC | didn't get to see if it read the barcode tho |
| 20:33.34 | MentalPower|PC | Guest445: its normal for the patcher to be sluggish after a patch |
| 20:34.08 | Guest445 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.17 | Zyuu | oops |
| 20:34.53 | malreth | http://www.thisissand.com/ |
| 20:34.55 | Nechckn | Hmm.. I think they stopped making the tc1100.. different model now.... one sec |
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| 20:35.11 | MentalPower|PC | oh crap, my prog killed something with its "read\n" spam, vista's rebuilding my profile :/ |
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| 20:35.35 | Fisker- | >:D |
| 20:35.40 | Fisker- | You used vista |
| 20:35.48 | Shirik | MentalPower, wtf are you doing |
| 20:35.58 | Shirik | lol |
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| 20:36.05 | Fisker- | not buying a usb barcode scanner is what's he doing |
| 20:36.13 | MentalPower|PC | ~lart Fisker- |
| 20:36.13 | purl | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at Fisker- |
| 20:36.35 | Fisker- | That was actually pretty lame |
| 20:36.37 | MentalPower|PC | great, now I have to fix my profile... |
| 20:36.41 | MentalPower|PC | yeah |
| 20:36.46 | Fisker- | We had a project |
| 20:36.53 | Fisker- | and 2 of the groups had to use barcode scanners |
| 20:36.56 | Fisker- | and they got those usb ones |
| 20:37.03 | Zyuu | Hey all, check out the new Curse Client beta version. Download it at http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curse-client-beta/files/51-curse-client-beta-setup-1-0-0-11 and please report all bugs to the following email: client@curse.com |
| 20:37.03 | Fisker- | so they didn't even have to read from them or anything |
| 20:37.41 | Fisker- | gold spammer! |
| 20:38.12 | Zyuu | :> |
| 20:38.27 | Fisker- | you need better download mirrors |
| 20:38.39 | Zyuu | We had a hardware failure today |
| 20:38.47 | Nechckn | Ok.. cladhaire apparently the new tc1100 is the http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/computer_can_series.do?storeName=computer_store&category=notebooks&a1=Category&v1=Mobility&series_name=tx2500z_series |
| 20:38.59 | Fisker- | haha |
| 20:39.02 | Fisker- | crashed at startup |
| 20:39.08 | cladhaire | Nechckn: didn't you say you loved your IBM? |
| 20:39.14 | Nechckn | runs about 900 direct from HP, so likely about 850 or so |
| 20:39.21 | cladhaire | thats what I was looking for, sorry :P |
| 20:39.22 | Nechckn | Oh yeah... but they don't make 'em anymore |
| 20:39.25 | Nechckn | Ohhhhhh |
| 20:39.37 | Nechckn | sorry =) |
| 20:39.54 | cladhaire | np |
| 20:39.59 | cladhaire | i'm interested in the msi wind |
| 20:40.00 | Nechckn | I dig them both, actually... especially the pad on the Transnote is great |
| 20:40.02 | cladhaire | especially with mac os x |
| 20:40.07 | amro | is there a clean way to draw lines on a frame? |
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| 20:40.20 | cladhaire | amro: look at graphlib, or the flight map |
| 20:40.54 | amro | cladhaire: good point, I spent 5 minutes thinking but totally forgot the flightmap |
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| 20:41.24 | Nechckn | cladhaire that is pretty cool looking |
| 20:41.33 | Shirik | yeah but he's going to stick mac os on it |
| 20:41.37 | Shirik | then it will look like crap |
| 20:41.44 | cladhaire | ... |
| 20:41.47 | Shirik | :D |
| 20:41.47 | cladhaire | i think i hate you |
| 20:41.49 | cladhaire | in the face |
| 20:41.58 | Zyuu | Fisker- |
| 20:42.01 | malreth | ~hate Shirik |
| 20:42.01 | purl | Hey malreth, ,,|, |
| 20:42.01 | Zyuu | uninstall the old client |
| 20:42.12 | cladhaire | ~roulette |
| 20:42.13 | purl | ACTION watches cladhaire pull the trigger: Click! |
| 20:42.14 | malreth | ooooh! i'll get you purl |
| 20:42.23 | Fisker- | heh Zyuu i've never used your client :D |
| 20:42.26 | Shirik | (16:42:04) (purl) Someone already said that 7 seconds ago |
| 20:42.29 | Shirik | .... |
| 20:42.30 | cladhaire | EEW |
| 20:42.35 | cladhaire | ~roulette |
| 20:42.36 | purl | ACTION watches cladhaire pull the trigger: Click! |
| 20:42.39 | cladhaire | NOW DO IT PUSSY! |
| 20:42.46 | Shirik | .... |
| 20:42.48 | cladhaire | pwnt |
| 20:42.49 | cladhaire | ~botsnack |
| 20:42.49 | purl | cladhaire: aw, gee |
| 20:42.51 | Shirik | ~roulette !! |
| 20:42.52 | purl | ACTION watches !! pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 20:42.54 | Fisker- | ~roulette |
| 20:42.54 | purl | ACTION watches fisker- pull the trigger: Click! |
| 20:42.55 | Shirik | :< |
| 20:42.58 | Fisker- | hah |
| 20:42.58 | Shirik | k bai |
| 20:43.01 | cladhaire | ~botsnack |
| 20:43.01 | purl | cladhaire: :) |
| 20:43.04 | Fisker- | ~roulette |
| 20:43.05 | purl | ACTION watches fisker- pull the trigger: Click! |
| 20:43.06 | cladhaire | hah |
| 20:43.12 | Fisker- | your turn MentalPower |
| 20:43.13 | wereHamster | haha @ Shirik |
| 20:43.29 | Fisker- | ~roulette MentalPower |
| 20:43.30 | purl | ACTION watches MentalPower pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 20:43.34 | Fisker- | haha |
| 20:43.49 | Arrowmaster | ~roulette |
| 20:43.51 | purl | ACTION watches arrowmaster pull the trigger: Click! |
| 20:44.06 | Fisker- | ~roulette |
| 20:44.08 | purl | ACTION watches fisker- pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 20:44.11 | Fisker- | BLARGH |
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| 20:44.12 | Fisker- | IM DED |
| 20:44.17 | wereHamster | ~roulette |
| 20:44.17 | purl | ACTION watches werehamster pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 20:44.21 | Thunder_Child | then shut up |
| 20:44.24 | NightHawkTheSane | this would probably be funnier if purl had ops. |
| 20:44.25 | Codex| | is it possible for an addon to be disablingright click dragging in game? |
| 20:44.32 | Fisker- | dying doesn't mean shutting up Thunder_Child |
| 20:45.10 | wereHamster | Codex|: yes |
| 20:45.10 | Nechckn | cladhaire I used to have a 9" screen toshiba in like 1999, it ran Win95 and people were like shocked because it was so small |
| 20:45.10 | Codex| | damn |
| 20:45.10 | Arrowmaster | Codex|: disable fishingbuddy |
| 20:45.10 | Thunder_Child | usually it does Fisker- |
| 20:45.10 | Codex| | yea its when i started trying to fish |
| 20:45.12 | Codex| | Arrowmaster is there a fix? |
| 20:45.13 | Arrowmaster | replace it with fishermansfriend |
| 20:45.26 | Codex| | fishingbuddy is obsolete now? |
| 20:45.59 | Fisker- | then you haven't watch enough sci-fi series or movies |
| 20:46.00 | Arrowmaster | unless for some reason you want the db |
| 20:46.12 | Codex| | db? |
| 20:46.17 | Arrowmaster | of what youve fished |
| 20:46.27 | Codex| | oh nah |
| 20:46.32 | Codex| | does fishermans friend have easy lures |
| 20:46.33 | Codex| | etc? |
| 20:46.36 | Arrowmaster | yes |
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| 20:46.58 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 20:47.26 | Codex| | thanks arrow |
| 20:47.31 | Codex| | was about to switch mice, lol |
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| 20:47.58 | Codex| | so who else is having a ton of trouble reseting don carlos |
| 20:48.42 | Codex| | lead changing ,regrouping, setting to normal then heroic, none of it reset him |
| 20:48.51 | Codex| | none of us are saved, either |
| 20:49.18 | Arrowmaster | heroics dont reset like normal |
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| 20:49.53 | Guest805 | any of u guys having any problems with cosmos in WoW |
| 20:49.58 | Zyuu | fisker- you said that you never even used the client? |
| 20:50.04 | Zyuu | it shouldnt crash then :P |
| 20:50.05 | Codex| | don carlos doesnt save you arrow |
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| 20:50.37 | Guest805 | social tab doesnt work... |
| 20:50.40 | Kolie | Zyuu, I know what his issue is, you have it wrong. |
| 20:50.43 | Arrowmaster | Codex|: yeah but even if not saved heroics dont reset like normal, blame the rogues that would do stealth chest runs |
| 20:51.09 | Codex| | my friends were able to kill him, zone out, reset to normal, reset to heroic, zone in, kill him aain for his hat |
| 20:51.29 | Codex| | again* for* |
| 20:51.36 | Arrowmaster | everybody has to be outside when you change the difficulty |
| 20:51.40 | Arrowmaster | or it wont reset |
| 20:51.40 | Codex| | yep |
| 20:51.43 | Codex| | did that too |
| 20:51.45 | Arrowmaster | but still let you change it |
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| 20:52.16 | Codex| | yea, still doesnt reset him |
| 20:52.17 | Arrowmaster | ok how many instances have you been in within the last hour? |
| 20:52.30 | Arrowmaster | on all characters on your account |
| 20:52.45 | Codex| | only hillsbrad |
| 20:52.46 | Codex| | twice |
| 20:52.47 | Zyuu | anyone else tried our new curse client yet? |
| 20:52.56 | Arrowmaster | what about others in the party? |
| 20:53.09 | Codex| | some ones some twice |
| 20:53.15 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 20:53.16 | Codex| | once* |
| 20:53.34 | Arrowmaster | you could try forcing it by all staying inside then having somebody leave the instance drop group and reenter |
| 20:53.40 | Arrowmaster | and see if they get a new one |
| 20:53.42 | Codex| | did that too |
| 20:53.50 | Codex| | ii had everyone do that |
| 20:53.55 | Codex| | and we all entered the same isntance, ungrouped |
| 20:53.59 | Codex| | and no one got ported |
| 20:54.04 | Arrowmaster | wtf? |
| 20:54.12 | Arrowmaster | are you 100% sure your not saved? |
| 20:54.13 | Codex| | yea, hillsbrad instancing is screwed up today |
| 20:54.18 | Codex| | yea, raidinfo is clear |
| 20:56.23 | Fisker- | ½ hour until they demo Fallout 3 wee |
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| 20:59.50 | Fisker- | keyloggers kd3 ! |
| 20:59.58 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4927084338&postId=49266016463&sid=1#2 <-getting bored with them |
| 21:00.08 | Fisker- | (Keylogger in the links btw) |
| 21:00.18 | kd3 | rofl |
| 21:00.57 | Nechckn | cladhaire If interested in the transnote- event to play with- sign up for http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/TransNote/ most will offer really good deals to list members, before shuffling off to Ebay |
| 21:01.45 | cladhaire | alright, thanks! |
| 21:01.48 | Codex| | how do they embed a keylogger into the picture fisk |
| 21:02.05 | kd3 | it's not a picture... it's a renamed html file |
| 21:02.22 | Codex| | and it opens properly? |
| 21:02.26 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 21:02.30 | Arrowmaster | its really easy to do |
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| 21:03.37 | Arrowmaster | i think apache by default will try to guess missing file extensions so you can just create a file named pic.jpg.html and link to it as pic.jpg |
| 21:03.41 | Dashkal | curl -I: Content-Type: text/html |
| 21:03.57 | Dashkal | Server: Microsoft-IIS/6.0 |
| 21:04.13 | Dashkal | and X-Powered-By: ASP.NET |
| 21:04.15 | Dashkal | yeah... |
| 21:04.23 | Arrowmaster | $20 bucks its a rooted server too |
| 21:04.29 | Dashkal | oh probably |
| 21:04.45 | amro | is there a way to find a frame's name if /dtframestack shows "table"? |
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| 21:05.15 | Arrowmaster | amro: if it shows table then it doesnt have a name |
| 21:05.22 | Shirik | amro: Is it the top frame? |
| 21:05.37 | Shirik | eh actually, what I'd recommend would just be what devtools does |
| 21:05.45 | Shirik | it likely doesn't have a name |
| 21:06.12 | amro | is there a way to access it then? |
| 21:06.12 | Arrowmaster | not likely, it just doesnt |
| 21:06.14 | Dashkal | If anybody is interested, here's the full header: http://pastebin.ca/1072750 |
| 21:06.15 | Fisker- | ~roulette Shirik |
| 21:06.16 | purl | ACTION watches Shirik pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 21:06.21 | Shirik | wtf |
| 21:06.30 | Shirik | ~factinfo roulette Shirik |
| 21:06.30 | purl | Shirik: there's no such factoid as roulette shirik |
| 21:06.44 | amro | ~literal roulette |
| 21:06.45 | purl | "roulette" is "<action> watches $who pull the trigger: ( Click! | Click! | Click! | Click! | Click! | BANG!)" |
| 21:07.15 | Arrowmaster | Dashkal: rofl is the 404 page actually the keylogger? |
| 21:07.27 | Dashkal | apparently |
| 21:07.34 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 21:07.40 | Esamynn | ~factinfo cmd: roulette (.*?) |
| 21:07.40 | purl | cmd: roulette (.*?) -- created by L4m3r <n=l4m3r@about/essy/warning/L4m3r> at Mon Mar 5 06:06:18 2007 (498 days); it has been requested 53 times, last by Fisker-, 1m 24s ago. |
| 21:07.47 | Arrowmaster | i guess thats one way to do it with IIS |
| 21:07.53 | Esamynn | ~literal cmd: roulette (.*?) |
| 21:07.54 | purl | "cmd: roulette (.*?)" is "($1): <action> watches $1 pull the trigger: BANG!" |
| 21:08.04 | Shirik | I was more checking to see if Fisker- made one specially for me |
| 21:08.04 | Duman | hmm |
| 21:08.43 | Fisker- | if you do something after ~roulette then it's always bang |
| 21:08.46 | Fisker- | so that's pretty awesome |
| 21:10.07 | Arrowmaster | Dashkal: funny that its sending a 200 on a 404 and redirecting to the 404 page |
| 21:10.07 | wereHamster | that's not awesome, that's evil |
| 21:10.36 | Fisker- | btw |
| 21:10.45 | Fisker- | They should be putting in pincode verification for teh forums :O |
| 21:11.05 | Arrowmaster | pincode? |
| 21:11.12 | Fisker- | with the authenticator |
| 21:11.13 | kd3 | like the forums can handle the load they're getting put through as it is? |
| 21:11.33 | Fisker- | learn2program imo |
| 21:11.34 | Fisker- | etc. |
| 21:11.41 | Arrowmaster | its all in java |
| 21:11.52 | Arrowmaster | you cant expect much outa it |
| 21:11.53 | Fisker- | They should hire some competent people to relaunch all of their sites |
| 21:11.54 | Fisker- | imo |
| 21:12.03 | Arrowmaster | they dont code the forums |
| 21:12.05 | Fisker- | also ~roulette webmasterguywithallhisajaxshit |
| 21:12.10 | Arrowmaster | they buy it from somebody else |
| 21:12.11 | Fisker- | ~roulette webmasterguywithallhisajaxshit |
| 21:12.12 | purl | ACTION watches webmasterguywithallhisajaxshit pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 21:12.14 | Fisker- | BOOM |
| 21:12.35 | Wikwocket | nice |
| 21:13.33 | Fisker- | There is a saying that goes somewhat like this: "If you have to ask what the limitation of something is then you are usually doing it wrong" |
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| 21:14.21 | Wikwocket | I would say, not necessarily wrong, but definitely not as it wa sintended for |
| 21:14.26 | Fisker- | and all that XML is like an infinite loop of xml, stylesheets, dtd's etc. that has to be parsed |
| 21:14.27 | Fisker- | ;( |
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| 21:15.30 | Wikwocket | Sometimes your vision may just be better than the originator's, so you do have to ask what the limits are :) |
| 21:15.33 | Arrowmaster | i hate their damn ajax tooltips, they just fucking load the item info on load |
| 21:18.08 | Codex| | ok the old hillsbrad instancing is messed up real bad |
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| 21:33.43 | Artmi | Bah have soon been waiting a week for World of Warcraft Programming book :/ |
| 21:33.53 | Artmi | and yet it hasn't been sent out from bokus.com :/ |
| 21:34.05 | foxlit | Hm |
| 21:34.09 | foxlit | bokus... bogus... |
| 21:34.10 | Artmi | they are so sloooow |
| 21:34.25 | foxlit | You're sure they actually exist?:) |
| 21:34.30 | Artmi | of course |
| 21:34.47 | Artmi | used them several times before, they have always been this darn slow :( |
| 21:34.53 | Artmi | but haven't been able to find any other better place yet |
| 21:35.01 | Artmi | that has faster delivery times to sweden |
| 21:35.14 | Artmi | Bokus orders frmo they supplier "on-demand"(aka, they recieve my order, they order from their supplier) |
| 21:35.17 | Artmi | when they get it, they send it to me |
| 21:35.26 | Artmi | Which is kinda gay, they have no storage whatsoever for books |
| 21:38.24 | bleeter | is it my imagination, or have the zepplin masters @ grom'gol base camp never /yell'd when zepps depart/arrive? |
| 21:38.53 | cog|away | wow... i knew what "Skickas normalt inom 5-8 arbetsdagar" meant... |
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| 21:41.27 | cog|away | morning (ugt) alestane |
| 21:41.38 | alestane | It's morning somewhere. |
| 21:42.04 | cog|away | Artmi: how much more would it cost to ship from amazon.co.uk? (pure curiosity... i'm a spoiled american :P ) |
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| 21:47.29 | bleeter | gmorn alestane, cog|away :P |
| 21:47.49 | cog|away | :P |
| 21:47.59 | Thunder_Child | LIES! |
| 21:48.22 | Mikk | ... after one botched nethershite attempt |
| 21:48.27 | Mikk | ... and another near miss |
| 21:48.44 | Mikk | ... the rogue i had assigned to the green beam admits to being red/green color blind |
| 21:48.45 | Mikk | >.< |
| 21:49.02 | Shirik | Netherspite is one of those fights that you will get once and then you'll be like "omg this is so easy" |
| 21:49.07 | Shirik | rogue.... green? |
| 21:49.09 | Shirik | why? |
| 21:49.15 | Mikk | Cause they dont have any mana to lose |
| 21:49.24 | Shirik | psh |
| 21:49.28 | Shirik | I take the green beam the entire phase |
| 21:49.38 | Thunder_Child | ~ego Shirik |
| 21:49.41 | Shirik | ++heal is so nice |
| 21:49.47 | Thunder_Child | damit Punkie`afk |
| 21:49.51 | Thunder_Child | err..sry |
| 21:49.55 | Thunder_Child | meant purl |
| 21:50.17 | bleeter | lol |
| 21:51.54 | Wikwocket | We use a simple strategy: whichever tank is not in the red beam, is in the green beam |
| 21:53.51 | bleeter | we did a similar thing, the tanks worked out some kinda dance like moving around a square, works well |
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| 22:03.48 | Demonrage | anyone know if the Social tab thing has been fixed? |
| 22:06.39 | Esamynn | Social Tab thing? |
| 22:07.12 | Lopeppeppy | What troubleth your Social Tab? |
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| 22:09.34 | Codex| | who is having trouble resetting don carlos? |
| 22:13.31 | Demonrage | http://www.cosmosui.org/showthread.php?t=57655 |
| 22:13.49 | Demonrage | that friends list thing where nothing shows up |
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| 22:14.27 | amro | Demonrage: get some friends :P |
| 22:14.42 | Demonrage | :( |
| 22:14.44 | Demonrage | lol |
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| 22:26.21 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: My Thocial Tabth are lonely. |
| 22:26.47 | Mikk | *ronery |
| 22:26.59 | Lunessa | I'm ronery. so ronery. |
| 22:27.02 | Lunessa | :p |
| 22:27.38 | Lunessa | Is it hot in here, or is it just me? |
| 22:27.54 | Lopeppeppy | Always you, dear, always you! |
| 22:30.38 | Thunder_Child | ~dict rostrum |
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| 22:30.49 | Thunder_Child | ~dict 1 rostrum |
| 22:31.27 | Thunder_Child | ~dict ghee |
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| 22:42.50 | Atriace | ~wiki siggraph |
| 22:43.48 | Codex| | i have been trying to reset old hillsbrad forever |
| 22:43.51 | Funkeh` | anyone got a proper diff of .2 to .3 ? wowcompares is buggered |
| 22:43.53 | Codex| | im not saved, but it wont reset |
| 22:44.03 | kd3 | sec |
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| 22:44.41 | kd3 | funkeh, did you get on the email list for my .diffs? |
| 22:44.51 | Funkeh` | nope |
| 22:44.57 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.44 | kd3 | ckknight, ScytheBlade1, Duman, nevcairiel, Drundia, Gnarfoz, Ackis, Stanzilla, bleeter, Sixen, Hjalte, MentalPower|PC, Funkeh` (among others): inbox |
| 22:48.48 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: thanks |
| 22:48.57 | ckknight | *thumbs up* |
| 22:49.01 | Gnarfoz | =) |
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| 22:51.26 | bleeter | seems TitanPanel is playing 'funkiness' with GM tickets, just a heads up |
| 22:51.32 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903768105&sid=1 |
| 22:52.22 | bleeter | ah, fixed in source about 30 mins ago... feel free to go back to ignoring me folks ;) |
| 22:53.03 | Stanzilla | kd3: thx |
| 22:54.07 | bleeter | kd3: indeed, thx |
| 22:55.20 | bleeter | kd3: you like me sooooo much, you sent it twice? or is that 'coz I operate two accounts? :P |
| 22:55.37 | kd3 | gmail was being stupid I think |
| 22:55.59 | bleeter | yeah, there's like 1sec diff in sent time in them |
| 22:56.08 | bleeter | clearly not your problem ;) |
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| 23:04.03 | Funkeh` | I need a U.S. mage and priest/shaman who has a second for testing |
| 23:07.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Funkeh`: what do you need? |
| 23:07.44 | Funkeh` | a combat log of a dispel event and a spell steal event |
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| 23:13.22 | bleeter | ... |
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| 23:14.04 | Nechckn | "Good sheepy, back in the pen" |
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| 23:15.27 | ScytheBlade1 | lol wow |
| 23:15.35 | ScytheBlade1 | An *actual* "my space bar doesn't work" thread: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903768531&sid=1 |
| 23:16.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Funkeh`: how's this: http://pastey.net/91396 |
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| 23:18.11 | Funkeh` | thanks |
| 23:18.47 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1-pfft-spacebars-are-weak |
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| 23:19.57 | NightHawkTheSane | holy crap. 63g for a primal air? wtf? |
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| 23:26.04 | cog|away | Cairenn: |
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| 23:27.25 | Thunder_Child | ~cheer Cairenn |
| 23:27.25 | purl | ACTION cheers Cairenn on |
| 23:28.38 | wereHamster | why ban him? did he do anything wrong? Or is it just the leaving/joining? |
| 23:29.05 | Thunder_Child | ya, that |
| 23:29.13 | amro | ~poke Nechckn |
| 23:29.13 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Nechckn, pokes Nechckn repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 23:29.29 | Cairenn | he's obviously having connection issues and isn't actually at keys - when he gets back, he'll see I banned him, drop me a note and I'll remove it |
| 23:29.39 | Cairenn | it's just a temp ban until he gets it fixed |
| 23:30.41 | Nechckn | Hey.. no poking the chicken, amro |
| 23:31.22 | hipjipp | is anyone of you more advanced coders able to throw together a small buff mod that allows more than 8 (de)buffs per row? not very easy to find one that isn't aced.. :< |
| 23:31.58 | amro | Nechckn: any docs on EnhTooltip? |
| 23:32.10 | Thunder_Child | Nechckn, thats chckn not chicken |
| 23:32.26 | Nechckn | Hmm.. not really... maybe something, hold on |
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| 23:36.23 | AlexanderYoshi | Hi! |
| 23:36.31 | Nechckn | Actually, there are quite a few comments, that should spell out most things within Tooltip.lua, amro |
| 23:36.32 | ScytheBlade1 | :p |
| 23:36.35 | ScytheBlade1 | * :o |
| 23:36.37 | ScytheBlade1 | He exists! |
| 23:36.41 | bleeter | Dolby: I just noticed this from my wget "Last-modified header invalid -- time-stamp ignored."... will investigate more and let you know what I might find when I have time ;) |
| 23:36.44 | Nechckn | Uh oh.... trouble! |
| 23:36.46 | bleeter | AlexanderYoshi! |
| 23:37.25 | Nechckn | amro as with many of the sub-mods, the documentation is slooooow in coming |
| 23:38.12 | Nechckn | we're trying, but only have so much time. Now, if you've looked at the comments and are still baffled, is there something you are trying to do/want to do? |
| 23:38.16 | ScytheBlade1 | AlexanderYoshi: I'd ask how you've been, but if I had to guess, the answer would be 'busy' |
| 23:38.38 | amro | Nechckn: actually the comments seem to be enough, thanks :) |
| 23:38.39 | bleeter | how can you guess that? |
| 23:38.45 | bleeter | you don't know the meaning of the word!!! :P |
| 23:38.52 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: ^^ |
| 23:38.54 | Nechckn | ./weeee awesome! |
| 23:38.55 | Thunder_Child | of the word guess? |
| 23:39.07 | bleeter | busy :P |
| 23:39.08 | Nechckn | if there is anything else, just yell and we'll see what we can do. |
| 23:39.09 | ScytheBlade1 | "busy" :P |
| 23:39.14 | Thunder_Child | /weeee |
| 23:39.22 | Thunder_Child | see Nechckn, no . needed |
| 23:39.33 | Nechckn | I like my ./ thank you |
| 23:39.40 | Nechckn | makes me feel like I'm running it! |
| 23:39.40 | Thunder_Child | your ./ fails |
| 23:39.48 | Nechckn | never... |
| 23:39.52 | Thunder_Child | always |
| 23:40.01 | Nechckn | oh.no. |
| 23:40.09 | Thunder_Child | the fail is all around |
| 23:40.32 | amro | Nechckn: btw there's a .svn folder in the separate upload on wowi |
| 23:40.41 | Nechckn | all around you, maybe =) |
| 23:42.06 | batrick_ | Shirik|AFK: ok wut'd u do |
| 23:42.07 | Nechckn | amro so there is... someone will just have to do something about that. |
| 23:42.07 | batrick_ | lol |
| 23:45.53 | wereHamster | rofl: 'Would you believe two dozen Delta Force commandos?' - 'I don't believe you.' - 'How about Chuck Norris with a BB gun?' |
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| 23:47.15 | Sixen | So did I miss a new patch today or nah? |
| 23:47.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Patch |
| 23:47.36 | Sixen | Thank god. |
| 23:47.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Truth |
| 23:48.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Yay 30 mounts |
| 23:48.20 | Cairenn | yes patch |
| 23:48.22 | wereHamster | mounts that can be used at level 30> |
| 23:48.52 | Cairenn | broken quest link in chat (known, they're working on it), broken /click (known, they're working on it) |
| 23:49.13 | batrick_ | that looks like a bug |
| 23:49.18 | bleeter | broken GM ticket submission, update/disable addons |
| 23:49.18 | batrick_ | in LuaTask |
| 23:49.25 | batrick_ | Shirik|AFK: you got LuaTask to panic |
| 23:49.38 | batrick_ | i swear that's the last straw |
| 23:49.42 | batrick_ | I'm dropping that shit |
| 23:50.31 | batrick_ | YAY 2.4.3 |
| 23:50.40 | batrick_ | no more cheat death imba |
| 23:51.50 | Cairenn | bleeter: what's wrong with enable/disable? |
| 23:52.11 | amro | Cairenn: that's the fix for GM tickets |
| 23:52.20 | Cairenn | oh, okay |
| 23:52.42 | bleeter | GM tickets 'disappear' after editing them, I think the 'bug' is. Sounds like a taint or something for the new GM UI |
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| 23:56.27 | bleeter | oO my 31 nelf got a mail telling her to go learn riding and stuff, it'd appear other chars didn't get it |
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| 23:57.52 | ScytheBlade1 | From who? |
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| 23:58.39 | bleeter | I've deleted it, but I think it was the nelf riding trainer |
| 23:59.02 | bleeter | got another nelf on the same realm to go train with, so won't delete that one |
