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| 00:21.10 | JunkHead | what town in jade forest has the portal to SW? |
| 00:24.07 | Stormscape | presumably your first town |
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| 00:25.12 | tate | level 86.. |
| 00:25.14 | tate | unlocked nothing |
| 00:25.17 | tate | downer |
| 00:25.50 | JunkHead | yeah but i couldn't remember name of the first town.:( |
| 00:25.52 | JunkHead | but I found it. |
| 00:26.06 | JunkHead | cant remember the name, but i know where it is on the map so im ok. |
| 00:28.02 | Amarande | looks at the profession quick facts and hums a sad funeral for the now inevitable death of all non-big-and-well-established guilds |
| 00:30.56 | Amarande | Problem: The kind of people who form small, group-of-friends guilds ... |
| 00:31.10 | Amarande | Are the same kind of people who usually do less raiding and more "collect the shiny stuff" stuff ... |
| 00:31.30 | Amarande | Except that's precisely where huge guilds are going to be the most useful, because that high level guild perk is getting more and more valuable every expansion :| |
| 00:32.03 | Amarande | I think I can even probably pretty much out and say, without it being too hyperbolic, that the only JCs who can successfully sell the Onyx panther mount at a profit are ones in guilds high enough level to get the discount |
| 00:32.38 | JunkHead | can you do 10 man OS and 25 man OS in the same week? |
| 00:32.44 | JunkHead | or does it share the same lockout? |
| 00:32.47 | Amarande | Same |
| 00:32.51 | JunkHead | blah |
| 00:32.55 | Amarande | Some folks in my Ysera guild tried that one week |
| 00:33.06 | Amarande | after tempting the RNG and of course being smacked down by it |
| 00:33.17 | Amarande | (never, ever take exactly one pug member to OS. this is just asking for it. :P) |
| 00:33.43 | Stormscape | The Mantids remind me of Zorak from Space Ghost Coast to Coast |
| 00:34.34 | Amarande | Basically, between that and the fact that there's so many different types of friends list now, it looks like that apart from the inevitable bankguilds, each realm must necessarily coalesce into a few to many mega guilds, membership in which will be essentially a necessity to enjoy WoW at the high levels |
| 00:35.06 | Amarande | I'm probably okay on my Alliance characters, since I'm in a 200+ member guild there ... Horde-side, I might as well let those characters collect dust for good now heh |
| 00:41.54 | Stormscape | Queue Position 182 |
| 00:41.55 | Stormscape | oh shit |
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| 01:30.56 | Wylennera | hello |
| 01:32.38 | tate | ello |
| 01:35.40 | Wylennera | Sup? |
| 01:37.10 | Cmoney1 | gotta love queues to log in. :| |
| 01:37.42 | raspy | weeee |
| 01:41.20 | Paarn | weeeeee |
| 01:41.25 | tate | i have 4k |
| 01:41.26 | tate | how about u |
| 01:41.27 | Wylennera | I got no Log in queues on my realm |
| 01:41.32 | Paarn | ditto |
| 01:41.39 | Paarn | click login...play |
| 01:41.43 | tate | 4k on main, 0 for alts |
| 01:41.46 | tate | fair enough |
| 01:41.59 | Wylennera | 0 on my mains 2k on my alts |
| 01:43.59 | Cmoney1 | 1.8k roughly |
| 01:44.08 | Cmoney1 | I'm currently at 1251 |
| 01:45.25 | tate | so spirit shell comes from discpline? |
| 01:46.01 | tate | oh yeap. |
| 01:46.03 | tate | that's stupid ability |
| 01:46.41 | Cmoney1 | it replaces divine hymn |
| 01:46.46 | tate | yep.. |
| 01:46.48 | tate | stupid |
| 01:46.50 | Cmoney1 | it's op |
| 01:46.55 | Cmoney1 | in a good way |
| 01:46.56 | tate | waste of global |
| 01:46.59 | Cmoney1 | ...not really |
| 01:47.24 | tate | that might be good for some boss mechanics |
| 01:47.28 | tate | but at the current state, nop |
| 01:47.30 | tate | also for pvp wast |
| 01:47.31 | tate | waste* |
| 01:47.33 | Cmoney1 | at 85 during prepatch, you were able to build up the spirit shell shield up to....200k+? |
| 01:47.38 | Cmoney1 | on the full raid |
| 01:47.52 | tate | why not just heal the damage instead? kek. |
| 01:47.59 | Cmoney1 | add in PW:S and divine aegis |
| 01:48.08 | tate | stupid ability is stupid |
| 01:48.09 | tate | dislike |
| 01:48.20 | Cmoney1 | ...because protecting from damage > healing afterwards |
| 01:48.28 | tate | because? |
| 01:48.32 | tate | it doesn't matter |
| 01:48.42 | tate | unless boss has some mechanic for it |
| 01:48.44 | Cmoney1 | because you can effectively double or triple the person's health pool |
| 01:48.54 | Cmoney1 | like many bosses do |
| 01:49.11 | Cmoney1 | DS had hour of twilight from ultrax, impale from madness... |
| 01:49.22 | tate | i'd rather have divine hymn <,< |
| 01:49.33 | Cmoney1 | I'd rather have variety between specs |
| 01:50.02 | jane | me too, but divine hymn was nice i kinda miss it |
| 01:51.25 | jane | you could always choose not to use it if you want to, but it is especially nice when youre running with someone that doesnt have a major AoE healing cd |
| 01:51.33 | Cmoney1 | yeah |
| 01:51.51 | jane | and some damage is unavoidable or you weren't ready for it necessarily, so |
| 01:53.02 | jane | now its like if i run with a pally or something, hit PI/haste buffs and spam the shit out of greater heal and PW:S |
| 01:53.28 | tate | i'm leveling atm, i see no point to use that skill in 5man instances. maybe when i hit 90 and step in raids |
| 01:53.34 | tate | i'd rather have divine hymn nao. but NOP. |
| 01:53.39 | tate | all they give is this stupid thing |
| 01:53.43 | jane | oh yeah its not as huge of a deal unless the group sucks i think |
| 01:53.53 | tate | i just renew and pw:s |
| 01:53.57 | tate | and get back to reddit |
| 01:54.05 | jane | on my shaman in dungeons i drop healing tide and afk |
| 01:54.07 | tate | it's like level 20 again |
| 01:57.40 | jane | im just so glad i never have to look at heroic spine again |
| 01:59.17 | Paarn | until they bring it back like naxx |
| 01:59.49 | jane | not so much the mechanics, but more that im tired of looking at deathwing's back |
| 02:00.59 | Cmoney1 | Paarn: or worse, ony |
| 02:01.01 | Cmoney1 | :P |
| 02:03.20 | Paarn | I hate when you gather up like 5 mobs to kill for quest items then they turn out to be healers and then they only drop 1 item |
| 02:05.43 | tate | how long does it take to level 86-87 |
| 02:05.50 | tate | i really hate jade forest |
| 02:06.36 | jane | i just left for the next zone when i got a quest that went near it |
| 02:07.01 | Paarn | yea, you don't have to be 87 for valley |
| 02:07.12 | tate | thank god |
| 02:07.22 | jane | yeah i was like 10% into 86 when i went to the next zone |
| 02:10.37 | Cmoney1 | I'd recommend moving on to the next zone every time you ding |
| 02:11.37 | Sephiroth | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.40 | Sephiroth | wowhead css died |
| 02:11.47 | tate | ctrl+f5 |
| 02:12.01 | Sephiroth | I did. |
| 02:12.02 | Sephiroth | thrice |
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| 05:56.31 | Surye[SD] | Is anyone else getting mad phasing bugs? :( |
| 05:56.46 | Surye[SD] | It's halted my progress, on the one night I can play substantially |
| 05:57.01 | Surye[SD] | Strongarm Tactics and Lay of the Land Horde side |
| 05:58.59 | Jammer | only issue I have encountered regards phasing was that some npc didn't appear for water ceremony in pearlfin village |
| 06:00.19 | Surye[SD] | it's driving me nuts :( |
| 06:00.38 | Jammer | and even that managed to fix by retaking the quest |
| 06:01.12 | Surye[SD] | http://www.wowhead.com/quest=29822#comments:id=1694316 |
| 06:01.29 | Surye[SD] | seeing this behavior still |
| 06:04.04 | Stormscape | Pro tip: Strongarm Tactics is an optional quest |
| 06:04.08 | Stormscape | and not needed to advance |
| 06:04.55 | Stormscape | I had no problems with Lay of the Land though |
| 06:12.13 | Paarn | I haven't had any technical issues with quests |
| 06:12.21 | Paarn | just the dicks killstealing |
| 06:14.53 | Paarn | although it looks like the server died |
| 06:15.51 | Already | I had to relog to make it work Jammer. So it's probably not uncommon to encounter that bug. |
| 06:16.51 | Already | I wonder if they turned of cross realm zones. It feels like normal for once... |
| 06:21.01 | Neffi | Yes, CRZ is disabled in Pandaria |
| 06:21.13 | Surye[SD] | crz? |
| 06:21.14 | Surye[SD] | oh |
| 06:21.15 | Surye[SD] | nvm |
| 06:21.18 | Neffi | cross-realm zone |
| 06:21.26 | Surye[SD] | yea, looked at the context :P |
| 06:23.56 | Stormscape | Blizzard needs to make it a bannable offense to post hundreds of auctions of 1 |
| 06:24.01 | Stormscape | 2000 auctions of windwool on my AH |
| 06:24.03 | Stormscape | fuck people |
| 06:27.07 | Neffi | use auctionator |
| 06:27.09 | Neffi | problem solved |
| 06:27.50 | Stormscape | I'd rather not spend hundreds of megs of RAM on shitty leaky auction addons |
| 06:30.08 | Neffi | lol serious? |
| 06:30.59 | Stormscape | I've never encountered an auction addon that didn't leak RAM like a sieve |
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| 06:31.53 | Neffi | Don't run shitty code |
| 06:32.16 | Neffi | Auctionator has never used more than 5 MB for me. It's really fucking easy to avoid leaking RAM in Lua. |
| 06:33.41 | Stormscape | wait, I recognise the name auctionator |
| 06:33.45 | Stormscape | oh yeah I hated its UI |
| 06:33.49 | Stormscape | and deleted it |
| 06:34.15 | Neffi | k. use the even more terrible default UI and keep bitching about it. |
| 06:34.21 | Stormscape | the default UI is fine |
| 06:34.23 | Stormscape | be less bad |
| 06:34.53 | Already | I really would like to tell wow to use more ram for addons. I get the feeling that it sometimes would help to speed things up. Back in <old version> there even was a field to set the amount of ram (as a guideline). |
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| 06:35.48 | Neffi | Already: They've removed all limitations on how much RAM they can use. It's totally up to the addon, within the limitations of Lua itself. |
| 06:36.20 | Already | Oh OK. |
| 06:36.50 | Neffi | I just work by the assumption that a good author isn't afraid of using RAM. It's not like unit frames ar egonna run any better by irresponsibly filling several megs. But an AH database addon might. |
| 06:37.22 | Stormscape | Really, there's absolutely nothing wrong with the default AH UI, it just needs a filter. |
| 06:38.10 | Already | Yes and sometimes I feel like my addons are battling for ram and that's why my load times increase. %) |
| 06:38.16 | Neffi | You pointed out a flaw yourself |
| 06:38.44 | Neffi | It doesn't aggregate sales. A paginated method that uses 40 vertical pixels per entry when it needs to display potentially thousands of entries is just bad design. |
| 06:39.11 | Neffi | Condensing those sales in a single entry "x stacks of X at Y gold" is a pretty obvious way to fix that flaw |
| 06:39.23 | Neffi | eg the way Auctionator does it |
| 06:39.34 | Neffi | It's not about RAM at all really |
| 06:40.04 | Neffi | >90% of load time is spent compiling the source code into bytecode actually. The total time it takes to load the UI is under 1 sec. |
| 06:40.14 | Neffi | Lua is incredibly fast. One of the fastest dyanmic languages in existence. |
| 06:42.01 | Stormscape | Auctioneer has a good UI but I swear even if you never scan the AH after 4 days suddenly it needs like |
| 06:42.03 | Stormscape | all your ram |
| 06:42.25 | Already | In that case it would be cool to spend that time once (on WoW Launc/Reload) compile everything to bytecode and use that untill you do another reload/wow launch) oh and I really mean like /console reaload() or something. :) |
| 06:42.33 | Neffi | Auctioneer took a simple problem and complicated it severely. It UI could take some fixing up. |
| 06:42.46 | Neffi | But the quality of code is obviously not very good if it's just blatantly terrible at managing RAM usage. |
| 06:42.49 | Stormscape | I like the UI just fine |
| 06:43.09 | Already | On the other hand I guess most people don't have that many addons. |
| 06:43.13 | Neffi | The fact that other addons are able to condense just as much info into 5-10 MB *without* compression is evidence to Auc's authors inability to code |
| 06:43.42 | Neffi | Already: That's how it works. Code is compiled once, at load time, and that's it. Next time you load, it's compiled again. |
| 06:44.44 | Stormscape | aha here we go, this one has a non-terrible UI and couldn't possibly use much RAM |
| 06:44.47 | Stormscape | AuctionLite |
| 06:44.53 | Already | Yes and that's the problem. ;) I would love to have a cache that lastest throughout the session. Which would mean it would do the compiling only on the first load time or if it's exclusivly called. :) |
| 06:45.57 | Neffi | That's what happens |
| 06:46.00 | Already | And about Auctioneer ... I'd imaging it's hard to maintain that code. It's been around for so long and features have been added all over. |
| 06:46.09 | Neffi | When you zone into a new instance or something, it'd not reloading or recompiling |
| 06:46.20 | Neffi | Only when the UI is loaded (eg by logging in or using ReloadUI()) |
| 06:46.37 | Neffi | Nothing needs to be "cached" because the compiled code is already loaded and in execution state |
| 06:46.47 | Already | In that case I wonder why my load time increase with the number of addons i'm using |
| 06:46.59 | Neffi | Upon logging in? |
| 06:47.05 | Neffi | They all need to compile |
| 06:47.09 | Mr_Rabies | auctionator is pretty nice Stormscape |
| 06:47.12 | Mr_Rabies | if you don't like auctioneer |
| 06:47.19 | Already | Upon entering an instance or changing the continent |
| 06:47.28 | Mr_Rabies | oh |
| 06:47.30 | Stormscape | Mr_Rabies, I like auctioneer, I don't like the ram usage |
| 06:47.37 | Mr_Rabies | you said you didn't like auctionator |
| 06:47.52 | Mr_Rabies | there's not much to the ui, i don't see enough there to hate it |
| 06:47.54 | Neffi | Maybe it's bad addons affecting performance. Maybe its Windows insistence on swapping everything out all the time. |
| 06:48.05 | Neffi | Blame a programmer. Any one will do. Just not me. |
| 06:48.24 | Already | I'm not blaming you! |
| 06:48.28 | Neffi | lol |
| 06:48.48 | Neffi | Blame programming. 90% of us are terrible at what we do. |
| 06:50.02 | Already | That wouldn't make sense. ;) I only told you that I sometime feel something is off about the RAM management in wow. After all I got 12 gigs. And yes I'm writing some terrible code as well sometimes ... just not in LUA. |
| 06:50.54 | Neffi | Ah. Well WoW doesn't really manage addon code. It's not like addons use enough RAM to need to manage. The only management that does get done is swap in the OS, and garbage collection in Lua itself. |
| 06:51.11 | Neffi | I mean you could be using 250 MB of RAM for your UI, and it's nothing compared to what the game engine uses. |
| 06:51.19 | Neffi | The problem undoubtedly lies elsewhere |
| 06:51.27 | Neffi | I would just blame everybody involved |
| 06:53.10 | Neffi | Well time to get to some schoolwork =( |
| 06:53.35 | Already | For a start I should start blaming myself for using to many addons? ;) |
| 06:54.21 | Already | hf doing your schoolwork, may it be quick! ;) |
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| 06:59.39 | Neffi | I don't think so. Addons are useful. If one of them is affecting your performance, consider uninstalling that one. |
| 07:00.04 | Neffi | Don't start uninstalling good addons because a few of them are built on terrible code |
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| 09:43.56 | Amarande | ... whoa |
| 09:44.08 | Amarande | I think we recruited something like 100 new characters in guild since I logged on last :D |
| 09:46.34 | fewyn | finally replaced my shoulders from heroic ds |
| 09:47.17 | Amarande | I still haven't set foot in Pandaria yet |
| 09:47.28 | Amarande | debating doing so or if it would be wiser to level my other characters first till the initial rush wears off |
| 09:47.40 | Amarande | or at least till my 7850 arrives, which may be tomorrow, but possibly Monday |
| 09:48.09 | fewyn | pandaria so pretty |
| 09:48.40 | Amarande | I ordered this lovely the other day: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121623 |
| 09:50.57 | Amarande | hmm, part of me wondered for a moment where you actually get PCIE 3.0, since so many newer video cards have it, but relatively few motherboards do |
| 09:51.29 | Amarande | however, it looks like PCIE 3.0 is currently basically entirely a marketing gimmick, much like SATA III was before SSDs became reasonably affordable (and still is if you use mechanical drives) |
| 09:52.46 | Amarande | from what I'm reading, no video card, not even beasts like the GTX 690, much less a second-tier like the HD 7850, is even able to fill the bandwidth on PCIE 2.0 yet, let alone 3.0 |
| 09:53.01 | Amarande | just as mechanical drives don't even get close to saturating SATA I, let alone II or III |
| 09:53.04 | fewyn | bigger numbers = better |
| 09:53.27 | stuf_ | more megapickels and jiggahurtz |
| 09:54.24 | Amarande | the other thing that prompted me to get a 7850 was that I reinstalled GW1, too |
| 09:54.43 | Amarande | and it seems like GW1's framerate tanks at high detail on even what seemed hitherto to be a pretty well performing card (I'm upgrading from a GTS 250) |
| 09:55.46 | Amarande | hm. |
| 09:56.15 | Amarande | thinking of whether I ought to delete my Turalyon Horde characters or just let them gather dust until next expansion :S |
| 09:56.45 | Amarande | btw, if you delete the only character(s) that earned a given achievement or mount, do the achievements/mounts vanish from your account or do they stay? |
| 09:58.26 | Amarande | also, with account wide mounts, should we expect the JC and engineering mounts in Pandaria to only be salable for the first month or two and then mostly be rubbish recipes? |
| 09:58.33 | Amarande | or will they likely sell steadily throughout? |
| 09:58.59 | Amarande | (I'm guessing they *might* sell steadily throughout, seeing as vials apparently have still been selling even this far down the line) |
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| 10:08.10 | fewyn | [06:07:37] Koro Mistwalker says: Help me up, Fewyn. I... I took an arrow in the knee... |
| 10:08.18 | fewyn | that joke isn't funny anymore |
| 10:08.26 | hylje_ | hahaha |
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| 10:10.46 | Amarande | sooo. cooking in MoP/5.0 ... useful still or not? |
| 10:10.55 | fewyn | always useful |
| 10:11.20 | Amarande | mainly thinking on the lines that the bonuses seem awfully small for non-pandaren at max level |
| 10:11.30 | Amarande | while at other levels, CRZ ruins it |
| 10:11.45 | fewyn | you seem to blame crz on a lot of things |
| 10:11.51 | Amarande | well |
| 10:12.00 | Amarande | CRZ does result in the mobs respawning substantially faster in most cases |
| 10:12.02 | fewyn | do you blame third world hunger on it too? |
| 10:12.22 | Amarande | which means you have that many fewer opportunities to actually munch on something before you get interrupted by the next challenger coming up to the plate |
| 10:12.34 | Djones_ | That awkward moment when no. |
| 10:12.50 | fewyn | hi Djones_ |
| 10:12.53 | fewyn | 90 yet? |
| 10:13.01 | Djones_ | Don't even own mists |
| 10:13.05 | fewyn | patpat |
| 10:13.11 | Djones_ | Excuse me? |
| 10:13.35 | fewyn | i thouroughly enjoyed my leveling experience |
| 10:13.39 | fewyn | way better than cata was |
| 10:14.04 | stuf_ | mists has been incredible, even tho i'm still in the jade forest |
| 10:14.15 | stuf_ | feels a fuckton better than cata |
| 10:15.06 | Amarande | Djones, you didn't get Mists? |
| 10:15.07 | fewyn | my only problem is there were some quests that if you did them in a group credit wasn't shared for things i thought it should |
| 10:15.15 | Djones_ | Amarande, not yet. I'll get it soon enough |
| 10:15.37 | Amarande | I'm waiting for either things to be a little less crowded or for my new video card to show up before I venture into Pandaria |
| 10:16.00 | fewyn | i was grouped with guildies for about half of my leveling |
| 10:16.03 | Amarande | (that, and this means that hopefully any quest bugs that have cropped up since release will be hotfixed by the time I encounter the quests :) |
| 10:16.21 | fewyn | the only quest bug i had was with the gyrocopter quest for alliance |
| 10:16.23 | fewyn | at the start |
| 10:16.29 | fewyn | wasn't really buggy |
| 10:16.35 | fewyn | just 50 billion people trying to do it at once |
| 10:23.15 | Stormscape | Longshadow Mushans are the worst mobs ever. You can't pull less than 3 of them and they do knockbacks + apply a casting slow debuff. |
| 10:23.22 | fewyn | i agre |
| 10:27.49 | Stormscape | and is it just me or do Deadtalker Crushers not leash? |
| 10:27.56 | Stormscape | Had one chase me all the way back to the Garrison |
| 10:28.57 | fewyn | these rare spawns are tough |
| 10:32.37 | Amarande | Storm: some mobs are very buggy with leashing |
| 10:32.49 | Amarande | like there's apparently one sort of spider on each old world continent that can be kited to an unlimited distance :P |
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| 10:36.58 | fewyn | [06:36:51] [90:Fewyn] has earned the achievement [Loremaster of Pandaria]! |
| 10:40.40 | Amarande | the fun thing about leveling a scribe and an alchemist at the same time |
| 10:40.58 | Amarande | you're never wanting for low level pigment, since you end up with a billion useless earthroot on the alchemist |
| 10:42.30 | fewyn | lol |
| 10:43.15 | Amarande | it's everywhere, everyone knows that the minor healing potions then parlay them into lesser healing potions is the most efficient way to reach around 105 and you don't use earthroot for either |
| 10:43.28 | Amarande | and, moreover, the few alchemy recipes that actually seem to use it seem to be useless |
| 10:44.16 | Amarande | this alchemy guide seems a little odd at this point, though heh |
| 10:44.33 | Amarande | it says at 110, to create 15 healing potions, then train expert alchemy, then create 15 more healing potions |
| 10:44.37 | Amarande | stop in the middle why? heh |
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| 10:56.57 | Amarande | ouch. 25fps in Darnassus. glad I'm getting that new video card. |
| 10:57.14 | Amarande | also glad I got into gaming back in the days of things like DOOM. newer gamers would probably go mad at that framerate heh |
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| 11:00.49 | symosis | Hi All! Is the profiler at wowhead working at all? I just receive empty cripled pages... on chrome |
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| 11:04.21 | fewyn | [07:04:09] Wrathion says: Ah, if it isn't my favorite master assassin! I was hoping I would find you here in Pandaria. |
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| 11:05.39 | Amarande | hm. is this an unintended glitch or did Blizzard actually change their tune? |
| 11:05.53 | Amarande | I'm seeing an inscription vendor that still takes cata ink for trades, not panda ink |
| 11:07.19 | Amarande | I thought they all went to panda ink with 5.0 |
| 11:08.31 | fewyn | there we go on the ~legendary raid quest~ |
| 11:18.17 | Stormscape | mfw this mob name: http://www.wowhead.com/npc=66900 |
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| 11:28.04 | Mantrain | fewyn : did you make the realm first? |
| 11:29.24 | fewyn | nah |
| 11:34.35 | fewyn | [07:34:26] [90:Fewyn] has earned the achievement [Explore Pandaria]! |
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| 11:51.30 | fewyn | wtf was i smoking when i put all this random epics i'd never use for transmog in void storage |
| 11:51.38 | fewyn | *removes and vendors* |
| 11:52.41 | Amarande | heh, yeah, you pretty much usually settle on one set you really like and that's that, right? :) |
| 11:53.17 | Amarande | btw, did I see someone here mention someone getting mining credits at grey, relating to realm first max mining? |
| 11:53.29 | Amarande | hmmmmm |
| 11:53.34 | Amarande | I wonder if tools have something to do with that |
| 11:53.37 | fewyn | nah i have like 10 sets |
| 11:53.42 | fewyn | that i like to switch between |
| 11:53.45 | Amarande | like maybe the +10 from tools is causing tooltips to show resource nodes as grey |
| 11:53.49 | Amarande | when they're actually still green? |
| 11:54.24 | Amarande | IIRC, it is the correct behaviour of tools/racial bonuses/etc. to make things become orange sooner, but not become grey sooner |
| 11:54.58 | Amarande | aaaand a few minutes ago I got a skill up off of a grey herb node in Hillsbrad I encountered while starting archaeology on my 27 lock |
| 11:55.03 | Amarande | I bet it's a tooltip error, not a bug |
| 11:58.37 | Amarande | aaaaand I think I'll pass up that bruiseweed |
| 11:58.49 | Amarande | there's a level 35 elite horde guard near it. think I'll get more than a few bruises trying to grab that one :P |
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| 12:15.54 | Amarande | btw, is it 150 or 200 fragments you're allowed to have in-stock per race? |
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| 13:10.53 | Neffi | IRC confusing you mista White? |
| 13:11.27 | Neffi | If not I wonder if "hrm" is some weird acronym I don't know |
| 13:11.55 | neutronimity | I had to repair a broken Barbie doll for my sister. Its leg had been ripped off. |
| 13:12.33 | Neffi | The words "radical reconstructive surgery" come to mind for some reason |
| 13:21.59 | Stormscape | okay where the fuck is the Seat of Knowledge entrance |
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| 13:36.33 | g0urra | Stormscape: above Mogu'shan Vaults |
| 13:36.39 | g0urra | or palace idk |
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| 13:41.09 | Stormscape | yeah took me awhile to figure out you need flying to get there |
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| 14:04.47 | Amarande | guh. I need to stop getting killed because of CRZ crowds. :| |
| 14:05.56 | Amarande | not that this is unique to CRZ. it's more a problem with crowded zones. |
| 14:06.06 | Amarande | typically, what happens is I see the named mob I need for a quest, get reckless, pull too many mobs and die |
| 14:06.37 | Amarande | because I'm afraid if I take it at a normal cautious pace, while I've got the intervening mobs conveniently occupied, some other player will take advantage of the opening and grab the quest mob, leaving me to sit for a respawn timer :P |
| 14:10.59 | Amarande | CRZ just means this comes up more often :P |
| 14:14.33 | Djones_ | Or don't be bad? |
| 14:14.54 | Amarande | heh |
| 14:14.57 | Amarande | yeah, I should stop being reckless |
| 14:15.04 | Djones_ | Or...just kill things? |
| 14:15.11 | Djones_ | What level are you? |
| 14:15.15 | Djones_ | and class. |
| 14:17.02 | Amarande | 30, warlock, demo spec |
| 14:17.27 | Amarande | Generally, the only time I tend to die is if, indeed, I pull too many mobs :P |
| 14:18.04 | Djones_ | That is usually the case for all. |
| 14:18.58 | Amarande | The chief thing about CRZ (and crowded zones in general, really, again, CRZ just means it comes up more often) is the above, though. |
| 14:19.20 | Djones_ | Or just don't die. |
| 14:19.26 | Amarande | If you patiently go through the ranks of mobs leading up to the boss, especially the ones right before it (i.e., once those mobs are occupied or killed, anyone's got a straight shot to the boss), though |
| 14:19.37 | Djones_ | Or just tag the boss |
| 14:19.43 | Djones_ | and kite |
| 14:19.46 | Djones_ | and let them kill it |
| 14:19.49 | Djones_ | Or man up |
| 14:20.10 | Djones_ | You're playing a warlock, so it's not like you've got the "I can't tag i'm melee" excuse. |
| 14:23.45 | Ward | as a mage the tagging is hilariously good fun |
| 14:23.57 | Ward | I just run through an area tossing living bomb at everything |
| 14:24.29 | Ward | then either someone else kills it |
| 14:24.36 | Ward | or I go nuts with aoe if I get aggro on a few of em |
| 14:26.12 | Djones_ | Quite. |
| 14:26.25 | Amarande | bwuh. level 30 warlock talents = :( |
| 14:26.30 | Amarande | I can only presume these are meant for PvP |
| 14:26.42 | Ward | yeah sometimes the choices aren´t really impressive |
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| 14:29.03 | eidyia | morning |
| 14:29.36 | Amarande | There's also the other annoying way to die in crowded (CRZ or not) zones, but that one isn't often quite so easy to control |
| 14:29.50 | Amarande | Namely, unless you have a total off-the-head memory of exactly where things spawn |
| 14:30.06 | eidyia | it'd be cool if you could opt-in/out of CRZ |
| 14:30.14 | Amarande | if you're in a crowded zone (which also means that spawns come up faster, to boot), every now and then you die because you pulled what you thought you could ... then something pops up behind you and suddenly you're taking on too much |
| 14:30.25 | Ward | I gotta go start up my grill |
| 14:30.30 | Ward | last barbecue of the year! |
| 14:31.57 | Amarande | actually, I'm finding that now that they've got the bugs worked out, CRZ isn't too bad, except for the aforementioned recklessness it can often induce :) |
| 14:32.12 | Amarande | I'll doubtless actually LIKE it when I get around to leveling LW, too |
| 14:32.18 | Amarande | lots of free abandoned corpses to skin |
| 14:32.27 | eidyia | but that was the same prob when cata launched - mobs kept spawning around you cause it was packed |
| 14:32.33 | eidyia | yah! free skinning! |
| 14:32.53 | Amarande | yeah, it makes me entirely unsurprised that skinning was actually one of the later things to get a realm first, despite the fact that it's so easy to max |
| 14:33.02 | Amarande | I'm guessing quite a lot of otherwise skinnable mobs went to waste because of spawn rates |
| 14:33.18 | Amarande | (i.e., you don't have time to skin them because the next challenger comes up to the plate and interrupts you, so you can never quite skin everything) |
| 14:34.04 | Amarande | OTOH, mining is easy to get interrupted too (especially with mining's tendency to alert nearby mobs), but it got hit sooner than skinning on Ysera I *think* |
| 14:34.36 | Ward | is there a first aid realm first? |
| 14:34.48 | Ward | I got it to 600 2 hours after launch |
| 14:34.59 | Amarande | yeah, there's a realm first for that |
| 14:35.09 | Amarande | Ysera's was gotten nine *minutes* in, it was I think the first profession to get maxed |
| 14:35.12 | Ward | I guess that´s doable in 20 mins with teamwork |
| 14:35.24 | Ward | well I did it in 2 hours, solo |
| 14:35.36 | Ward | I stocked up on embersilk before hand |
| 14:35.41 | Ward | burned those until grey |
| 14:35.52 | Amarande | I'm presuming they got all the points they could off of embersilk, then took advantage of buddies and the instant guildmate mail perk to get enough Pandarian cloth for 600 |
| 14:35.54 | Ward | then I just quested as normal and turned every cloth I go into bandages |
| 14:36.02 | Ward | yeah |
| 14:36.08 | eidyia | sidenote: trying out my new gunnar glasses today |
| 14:36.24 | Amarande | at first I was like WTF |
| 14:36.32 | Amarande | because I couldn't imagine someone gathering that much cloth in five minutes or so |
| 14:36.41 | Amarande | (keeping in mind the amount of time needed to actually craft the bandages) |
| 14:37.03 | Amarande | not to mention, the fact that you need to go back to the first aid trainer midstream, because you presumably need to train multiple bandages on the way up |
| 14:37.27 | Djones_ | Amarande, no. |
| 14:37.30 | Djones_ | Stop being stupid |
| 14:37.37 | Djones_ | Skinning is easy, but it is more time consuming. |
| 14:37.54 | Djones_ | It has absolutely nothing to do with mob spawn rates, it just takes longer than any other gathering profession due to travel distance |
| 14:37.59 | Djones_ | skinning time |
| 14:38.04 | Amarande | Ah, I was thinking back to Cata |
| 14:38.05 | Djones_ | and scarcity of appropriate mobs |
| 14:38.08 | Djones_ | Same then too |
| 14:38.34 | Amarande | where you would get your skinning to 525 super fast because of all those rapid-spawning snakes in early Vashj'ir |
| 14:38.49 | Amarande | but could never quite skin them all again because of the rapid spawn |
| 14:39.08 | Djones_ | Except that's not wheer you would do it |
| 14:39.18 | Djones_ | At cata launch you woulda gone to uldum wehere, because you hadn't quested there |
| 14:39.20 | Djones_ | nothing would be there |
| 14:39.26 | Djones_ | except for one region of privately instanced tigers |
| 14:39.36 | Djones_ | with about 20 of them in a fairly small route |
| 14:39.43 | Djones_ | Round up 5-10 with no problem |
| 14:39.44 | eidyia | I'm still in Jade Forest and surprised that so many mobs (thus far) are humanoids and not skinnable |
| 14:40.08 | Amarande | anyway, need to get going to work. laters |
| 14:40.23 | eidyia | like all the stupid birds outside grookin hill |
| 14:46.40 | JunkHead | hmm.. i cant get loremaster to work. |
| 14:46.49 | Stormscape | why does the default UI tend to randomly break and require a reload |
| 14:46.51 | eidyia | JunkHead: how so? |
| 14:46.51 | Stormscape | is it my addons? |
| 14:47.01 | JunkHead | the loremaster addon doesnt work. |
| 14:47.09 | JunkHead | it shows up in my chocolate bar... |
| 14:47.23 | JunkHead | and i can right click and the little option menu unfolds |
| 14:47.28 | JunkHead | but i can't click on anything |
| 14:47.47 | eidyia | i got nothing on a lore master addon |
| 14:47.53 | JunkHead | and typing /loremaster... i can't even do that becasue the [enter] button wont enter it |
| 14:48.04 | eidyia | turns out there's no real point in tracking MOP lore master as it's all quest lines - not a count |
| 14:48.05 | JunkHead | i dont think everyquest is updated for MoP yet. |
| 14:48.26 | JunkHead | yeah but I can't find whatever I need to finish a quest hub.:\ |
| 14:49.35 | eidyia | hum... |
| 14:49.42 | eidyia | maybe it's on the road / outside town? |
| 14:49.56 | JunkHead | wtf |
| 14:50.04 | JunkHead | i log otu and back and now it says I've completed it |
| 14:50.12 | JunkHead | thats crazy |
| 14:50.21 | JunkHead | oh well... done with jade forest i guess |
| 14:51.00 | JunkHead | except there is a whole section i haven't explored.:( |
| 14:51.07 | eidyia | alliance area? |
| 14:51.18 | JunkHead | no idea. |
| 14:51.22 | JunkHead | gonan go look |
| 14:51.25 | eidyia | i haven't finish jade forest yet |
| 14:51.36 | eidyia | give me another few hours after work :) |
| 14:51.44 | eidyia | well, at my current rate a few days |
| 14:51.52 | eidyia | ended up doing pet battles |
| 14:53.34 | JunkHead | exploring means more mining. |
| 14:53.36 | JunkHead | :D |
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| 16:35.09 | Gnarfoz | website has connection problems |
| 16:35.16 | Gnarfoz | (already known?) |
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| 16:36.09 | *** topic/#wowhead by fewyn -> Welcome to the official Wowhead channel - IRC rules/stats at http://www.wowhead.com/irc | Wowhead is currently experiencing technical difficulties, we will be back soon! |
| 16:38.27 | fewyn | playing a monk |
| 16:38.32 | fewyn | ~i have no idea what i am doing~ |
| 16:38.32 | infobot | You have no idea what i am doing~? |
| 16:39.12 | Elysa | !mop |
| 16:39.14 | Freyja | 0 seconds until the release of Mists of Pandaria [25th September, 2012 12:00 AM (PDT)] |
| 16:39.17 | Elysa | :P |
| 16:39.26 | Elysa | I was hoping for negative time. |
| 16:39.50 | fewyn | i fixed that bug a long time ago |
| 16:40.29 | fewyn | ok so jab generates "chi" and tiger palm uses chi |
| 16:40.34 | fewyn | so like holy power |
| 16:41.36 | Elysa | That sounds possible |
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| 16:41.43 | Elysa | I haven't played a panda since Blizzcon '11 |
| 16:41.50 | Elysa | or monk, rather |
| 16:41.55 | Elysa | but they were pandas only back then |
| 16:43.47 | eidyia | fewyn: you're right |
| 16:44.07 | eidyia | use energy to use attacks that build chi, then use chi for signature shots |
| 16:52.16 | kullervo | zao sunseeker appears to be glitched |
| 16:54.14 | eidyia | hey |
| 16:54.18 | eidyia | wowhead.com down? |
| 16:54.25 | eidyia | ah |
| 16:54.26 | eidyia | nvm |
| 16:54.29 | eidyia | missed the topic change |
| 16:54.45 | eidyia | heads to corner in shame |
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| 17:14.51 | JunkHead | Poo. I can''t connect to WoW.:( |
| 17:14.57 | JunkHead | Oh.. restarts.:\ |
| 17:15.15 | fewyn | login servers getting hammered |
| 17:15.20 | fewyn | because of the restarts |
| 17:15.40 | JunkHead | Ever figure out what you were asking about Pandora |
| 17:17.20 | fewyn | yeah |
| 17:18.20 | JunkHead | I still offer spotify as a suggestion.:P |
| 17:21.45 | Elysa | I defeated the Login Server boss, but the World Server boss is still a problem |
| 17:24.15 | Elysa | Yay, defeated that boss now |
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| 17:34.56 | JunkHead | Looks like Blizz is offering free transfers for some US realms |
| 17:35.08 | JunkHead | http://wow.joystiq.com/2012/09/27/blizzard-offering-some-in-the-us-free-realm-transfers/ |
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| 17:38.44 | fewyn | specifically super high pop realms |
| 17:38.46 | fewyn | like illidan |
| 17:39.14 | JunkHead | Area 52 and Stormrage are on the list too |
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| 17:56.03 | pompy | who killed wowhead!? |
| 17:58.24 | JunkHead | wowhead killed wow, but at the last second, wow struck back and killed wowhead. |
| 17:58.30 | JunkHead | both are gone forever. |
| 17:58.36 | fewyn | we're working on it pompy |
| 17:58.49 | pompy | woo |
| 18:19.01 | fewyn | #1 thing i like about mop: not having to visit trainers anymore |
| 18:19.20 | eidyia | ^ |
| 18:24.14 | JunkHead | http://www.walmart.com/ip/Jack-Link-39-s-Premium-Cuts-Original-Beef-Jerky-Giant-Bag-13.5-oz/16213276 |
| 18:24.17 | JunkHead | this stuff is so good. |
| 18:24.28 | fewyn | i got some jack links the other day |
| 18:24.32 | fewyn | it was meh |
| 18:24.37 | JunkHead | the tender strips are awesome |
| 18:24.56 | fewyn | http://www.bigjohnsbeefjerky.com/ |
| 18:25.00 | fewyn | these guys make good jerky |
| 18:25.24 | JunkHead | that does look good |
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| 18:38.53 | JunkHead | Hey hwo do you get the FP at Serpent's Overlook in Jade Forest? |
| 18:39.06 | JunkHead | Do you need a flying mount because I can't find the flightmaster. |
| 18:39.15 | fewyn | horde alliance? |
| 18:39.31 | fewyn | pretty sure that's a ground neutral one tho |
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| 18:39.52 | fewyn | track flight master |
| 18:39.53 | fewyn | keke |
| 18:40.20 | JunkHead | Im alliance |
| 18:40.25 | JunkHead | I'll look again |
| 18:40.30 | JunkHead | oh yeah! |
| 18:40.38 | JunkHead | I keep forgetting about tracking |
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| 18:47.03 | JunkHead | and...... lag |
| 18:47.07 | JunkHead | dc'ed.:( |
| 18:49.03 | JunkHead | ok it looks like the small dragon Mishi teleports you to the top. |
| 18:49.09 | JunkHead | but... he don't.:\ |
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| 19:01.37 | raspy2 | yeah i abandoned that quest and cant seem to get it restarted cuz i didnt know about the fp before i left it |
| 19:09.40 | JunkHead | I've done every quest in Jade Forest to my knowledge. |
| 19:09.52 | JunkHead | But I have no access to that area. |
| 19:11.06 | JunkHead | ugh |
| 19:11.10 | JunkHead | i can't stay connected. |
| 19:17.49 | eidyia | maybe you have to go to the next zone and they'll send you back? |
| 19:18.47 | JunkHead | no idea. |
| 19:19.12 | JunkHead | was gonna check the wowhead quest complete section for my character. |
| 19:19.23 | JunkHead | but it seems to be one of the parts not working. |
| 19:19.38 | eidyia | hit up a gm :) |
| 19:19.52 | eidyia | you'll hear back in 2 days ish |
| 19:20.32 | JunkHead | ooh it might be loading now |
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| 19:43.16 | eidyia | bad piggies anyone? |
| 20:00.29 | Sidar | hm |
| 20:07.01 | Amarande | hm |
| 20:07.07 | Amarande | is pet battles a per character unlock or buy once for the whole account? |
| 20:08.49 | eidyia | whole account |
| 20:08.55 | eidyia | well |
| 20:09.02 | eidyia | i think you level per account |
| 20:09.10 | eidyia | quests are too |
| 20:09.14 | eidyia | nvm - all acount |
| 20:09.22 | Amarande | I mean, does every character have to stop by Stormwind and pay an unlock fee to be able to battle pets on that particular character? |
| 20:09.27 | eidyia | i was doing a quest last night and it said (Account) next to it - where it'd normally say daily |
| 20:09.37 | eidyia | no - don't believe so |
| 20:09.39 | eidyia | they're shared |
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| 20:17.38 | Amarande | ... yow |
| 20:17.43 | Amarande | are there any wild pets I can actually CATCH? |
| 20:17.52 | Amarande | or do you have to PvP your way up to level 7-10 or so before you can get anything in the wild? |
| 20:18.05 | fewyn | <3 level granting |
| 20:18.06 | eidyia | you have to be lvl 3 with your pet first |
| 20:18.13 | fewyn | i cheated leveling my monk |
| 20:18.18 | fewyn | he's level 51 now |
| 20:18.29 | Amarande | or, at the least, are there any wild pets I can actually beat, or do you have to get your first levels off of other players? |
| 20:18.38 | eidyia | no - you can do random critters |
| 20:18.43 | eidyia | be in a starting zone |
| 20:18.45 | Amarande | the ones I'm finding in Northern Stranglethorn keep two-shotting me |
| 20:18.54 | eidyia | yah - go to like durator |
| 20:19.11 | eidyia | you'll need to take them through the world just like you would a toon |
| 20:19.19 | eidyia | or a hunter pet like in BC :) |
| 20:19.42 | eidyia | get 1 pet to level 5 - then start leveling your other 2 slots |
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| 20:41.40 | eidyia | Amarande - if you have cross-faction toons, you may have to re-learn battle pets |
| 20:41.55 | eidyia | but the pets should maintain their levels |
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| 22:19.50 | Fastidius | Does anyone knows if the achievement "Lil' Game Hunter" does not longer rewards Little Fawn? |
| 22:20.01 | Fastidius | I just got it, but nothing in the mail... |
| 22:20.09 | fewyn | it should |
| 22:20.12 | Noxy | check your list |
| 22:20.15 | Noxy | it might have autoadded |
| 22:20.35 | Fastidius | No, not there. Still grayed out. |
| 22:20.44 | Fastidius | Maybe logout, log back in? Hmm, doing that... |
| 22:20.48 | fewyn | do that |
| 22:21.24 | Fastidius | Yes, logout did it. |
| 22:39.34 | Ward | hmm |
| 22:39.40 | Ward | timing of brewfest is sucky |
| 22:39.57 | Ward | I can only do Coren on one char now :( |
| 22:40.06 | Ward | not gonna get a 2nd 90 before it´s over |
| 22:42.23 | JunkHead | when does brewfest start? |
| 22:46.35 | g0urra | midnight |
| 22:46.51 | Ward | just started here |
| 22:47.15 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] Mists of Pandaria: Pre-Raid Gear Guide - http://www.wowhead.com/news=206692/mists-of-pandaria-pre-raid-gear-guide |
| 22:48.42 | JunkHead | oh wow |
| 22:51.45 | Stormscape | You don't need to be 90 to queue for Brewfest, just 89 |
| 22:52.36 | Noxy | ~just~ |
| 22:53.11 | Stormscape | Considering how long 89-90 takes that's an important distinction |
| 22:53.46 | Noxy | 89-90 took less time than 88-89 for me |
| 22:53.54 | Noxy | omg 88 was a pain |
| 22:56.32 | Jammer | wtf brewfest started already? |
| 22:57.08 | Jammer | gonna ruin my chances to get the mounts when only got one char 90 |
| 22:58.59 | fewyn | i already have them |
| 22:59.17 | Stormscape | Same, I'm going to be doing them for the trinkets |
| 23:07.07 | Stormscape | Ward the original timing of Brewfest was far far worse |
| 23:08.18 | Amarande | yeah I think originally MoP was supposed to hit DURING Brewfest |
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| 23:10.38 | g0urra | I got the kodo but I already have it :( |
| 23:10.55 | g0urra | oh and btw, they didn't update the dagger |
| 23:10.57 | g0urra | 365 |
| 23:12.24 | Stormscape | gg |
| 23:13.48 | Stormscape | http://fromdraenor.com/ heheh |
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| 23:47.44 | tate | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/stormreaver/briisti/simple |
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| 23:47.47 | tate | why is this looking so stupid |
| 23:48.00 | tate | that's not even right helm and i've been logged out like 8 hours <,<' |
| 23:48.59 | fewyn | probably delayed updating because of the mass of people leveling and changing gear |
| 23:50.01 | tate | awh yea |
| 23:50.06 | tate | that looks so silly |
| 23:50.06 | tate | rofl |
| 23:50.46 | fewyn | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/velen/Fewyn/advanced |
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| 23:57.51 | tate | http://i.imgur.com/KhG5G.jpg |
| 23:57.54 | tate | :3 |
| 23:58.39 | tate | a moment before i changed to pandaren |
| 23:58.45 | tate | trolls, ewh |
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