IRC log for #wowace on 20180329

00:25.06znfGnarfoz, well, you don't want to cook tuna too much :P
00:25.31znfalso, ffs, I hate it when I update a bios remotely
00:25.37znfand the system takes minutes to boot back on
00:25.38znf:-S
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04:39.25Stanzillaznf: https://www.notebooksbilliger.de/handys+smartphones/lg+g6+ice+platinum+eu+ware
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08:35.31bluspacecowbut y tho
08:35.43quiescensgives blu a cookie
09:40.32znfStanzilla, yeah, that's it's usual price these days
09:40.36znfnot that interested in it
09:40.55Stanzillaok
09:49.06znfuuu
09:49.07znf1400p
09:49.08znf1440p
09:49.12znfwell, shit's small
09:49.12znf:D
09:51.43znf...is this shit normal? :-|
09:51.48znfhttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/sOoNpGPY/20180329_125022_HDR.jpg
09:52.05nevcairielno
09:53.42znfuhm, why is it happening? :-|
09:53.52znfswitched to 60Hz, but still tears a bit
09:56.00znfIt's on DisplayPort
09:56.03znfI'm using the original cable
09:56.07znfDP to mDP
10:01.32znfthis shit windows keeps wanting to use 59Hz
10:06.12Stanzillathats the same really
10:06.45quiescensznf can tell the difference
10:06.56znfit's annoying that I switch to 60 and it goes back to 59
10:07.05nevcairielthats pretty normal
10:09.20znfI don't notice any tearing in game
10:11.02znfmy GPU seems to be struggling a bit, but not by much, maybe dropping 1-2 fps :D
10:20.56Kalroth59.94 is the same as 60.00
10:20.59Kalrothhttps://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/2006076/screen-refresh-rate-in-windows-does-not-apply-the-user-selected-settin
10:21.17Kalroth"In Windows 7 and newer versions of Windows, when a user selects 60Hz, the OS stores a value of 59.94Hz. However, 59Hz is shown in the Screen refresh rate in Control Panel, even though the user selected 60Hz."
10:25.00znfI know that...
10:25.06znfanyway, tearing seems to have gone
10:25.20znfwonder if it was just difference in temperature? (was freshly delivered/unboxed)
10:30.20znfthere's so much room for terminal text on this resolution!
10:33.13nevcairieldo you not know that one doesn't turn on frozen hardware, but lets it warm up first?
10:34.00znfwasn't frozen
10:34.05znf>forecast mamaia
10:34.09Catal1naMamaia, Constanța, Romania: 9°C (≈6°C). 🌤️ Mostly cloudy starting tonight, continuing until tomorrow morning. Hum: 69%, Wind: 15kph N 🌧️Light rain on Sunday, with high temperatures peaking at 13°C on Sunday. Friday: 💨Breezy until afternoon and mostly cloudy throughout the day. Min: 8°C/4°C Max: 11°C/11°C. Saturday: 💨Windy until afternoon and mostly cloudy throughout the day. Min: (1 more message)
10:34.19znfit's sunny, so it's actually more than that
10:35.22znfsomeone here was on hexchat, right?
10:35.24znfother than me, I mean
10:42.44znflatest hexchat update seems to have broken emojis for me o.o
10:43.47quiescenso.o
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10:57.44Stanzilla👌👌
10:58.09znfyeah, my emojis are broken :-(
10:58.43znfoh, cool, someone already made an issue https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat/issues/2138
11:00.15quiescensgo to sleep o.o
11:29.50znfoh, this monitor also has a "sound card"
11:32.14quiescensgrats
11:38.37znfnevcairiel, I'm assuming that piping audio trough DP would incur a high latency?
12:08.11znfhttps://1.1.1.1/
12:08.19znfhow the fuck did they get a cert for an IP address to validate?
12:09.04znfhaven't browsers stopped accepting those years ago?
12:10.25nevcairielnah, IP-based certs are perfectly fine
12:10.29nevcairieljust barely anyone uses them
12:11.07znfI think it's mostly because no CA accepts to issue them
12:11.10znfLE doesn't :-/
12:16.04znfactually I wonder why they aren't doing them
12:16.18znfI'd like something as short as 30 days for IP addresses
12:16.25znfvalidated based on... ripe database?
12:16.27znfor something
12:16.44znfnevcairiel, so, DP sound latency?
12:17.11nevcairielit should be the same as hdmi or something, so basically fine
12:18.12znfI always feel that when I do that audio test on HDMI in Windows, playing the test sound, it feels like it's very delayed
13:38.47nevcairielthat usually happens because the HDMI connection needs to handshake its audio format, if you have a constant stream like when playing, thats not something that happens
14:18.18znfAh
14:18.22znfGood to know thanks
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17:17.33znfhmmm, the screen tearing is back
17:17.35znfso it wasn't temp
17:17.36znf:(
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20:46.10Gnarfoz/s
20:46.24quiescensgives Gnarfoz a cookie
20:46.41Gnarfoztrying to disable feature upgrades on Win 10 Home, but not Windows Update entirely, what an ordeal
20:47.26quiescensyou sound like you want to be able to control what your computer does
20:47.35quiescensi don't think that's allowed these days
20:49.35Gnarfozindeed
20:49.51Gnarfozthe only thing it's doing is trying to upgrade, and fail, because the cpu is not supported anymore
20:49.57Gnarfozgj MS
20:53.08quiescensi'm all for making it install updates by default without asking, but they should have left the option to turn it off or disable certain things
20:53.43znfthe cpu is not supported?
20:53.44znfwhat?
20:53.44znfO.o
20:54.39quiescensthere are cpu requirements
20:55.14Gnarfozznf: Clover Trail
20:55.31znfwhy wouldn't it be supported?
20:55.35Gnarfozbecause it isn't
20:55.39znfI'm just wondering
20:55.56znfWhat about same-gen CPUs?
20:55.58Gnarfozout of production support by Intel, and afterwards MS encountered issues with it
20:56.02Gnarfozso they dropped it
20:56.09znfAh, so it's a case of that specific CPU?
20:56.24Gnarfozall of those, which is like, 4 models
20:56.41Gnarfozbasically first-gen Windows 8 convertibles/tablets
20:56.56Gnarfozapparently they released 1703, then figured out 1703 has issues on Clover Trail (if I understand it correctly, just graphical), and thus never pushed 1703 through Windows Update for those
20:57.50GnarfozI had installed 1703 with the Media Creation Tool, though, since I was at my parents' anyway at the time and didn't want 1 out of 3 computers to have a different version... and because it's a shitbox, I had to delete the downgrade files right after, since it only has like 16 GB internal memory for C:
20:58.02Gnarfoz(could be 32, either way, it's constantly overflowing)
20:58.34GnarfozI assume that being on an older version than that will correctly not try to upgrade, but 1703 seems to spend all day, every day, trying to upgrade to 1709
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20:59.37Gnarfozif there isn't enough space, it'll fail because of that; if I make enough room, it'll re-download it over and over, maxing out the connection for 15-20 minutes and of course also making the tablet unusable because the CPU is weaksauce (and 2 GB RAM doesn't help either, and the eMMC storage is also terribad)
21:00.04Gnarfozin short, you can basically throw this thing away now :D (it has various hardware defects as well, thanks Acer)
21:00.27Gnarfozwhen support for 1703 ends (which is later this year, I think), I'll just disable Windows Update entirely
21:00.58quiescenswith extreme prejudice
21:01.11Gnarfozas it is, I made enough room to fit the upgrader on disk (so it doesn't try and re-download it), and removed all permissions from C:\Windows10Upgrade and the appropriate C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\clsid subfolder where it's downloaded to
21:01.16quiescenswhy do those words together even mean what they mean
21:01.23Gnarfozgood question
21:01.43Gnarfoz"with prejudice" (or without) is a legal term, not sure if that's the same etymology
21:02.18Gnarfozhttps://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/terminate_with_extreme_prejudice
21:02.38Gnarfozsame thing indeed
21:03.39Gnarfozspeaking of updates, can I install 1803 manually, yet? Stanzilla?
21:04.17znfjust install ubuntu!
21:04.18znf:D
21:04.45GnarfozI already have
21:05.07znf:o
21:05.39Gnarfozhttps://i.imgur.com/GIAzvSP.png
21:05.43Gnarfoz:p
21:05.48znf...dick
21:06.01Gnarfozin other news, the VLC shell extension for previews and shit doesn't deal well with 280 GB video files.
21:06.22znfI somehow lost Thumbnails in explorer
21:06.25znffor png/jpg
21:06.27znfnot sure how :D
21:06.51Gnarfoza feature disableable on several levels
21:07.04quiescensi feel like vlc has gotten really bad at seeking to specific points of files lately
21:07.15quiescensor, not lately, but worse than it once was
21:07.18znfit's just that I didn't disable it
21:07.31Gnarfozsomething else might have, though
21:07.40GnarfozI just meant there's several places to check
21:09.35Gnarfozugh google.com/finance got a new UI :C
21:11.55Gnarfozhow do they make a website that doesn't fit on a 1920 wide screen without a horizontal scroll bar? there's barely 1000px of content
21:12.26Gnarfozhttps://www.marketwatch.com/story/google-finance-closes-the-portfolio-moves-to-search-2017-11-28 ugh
21:12.42Gnarfozthey email me about enough random shit but not about nuking all my transactional data? thanks Obama
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21:13.47Gnarfoz"The company informed Finance users of the change to portfolios in September and gave them until “mid-November” to download portfolio data." liars!
21:14.43GnarfozI wonder if that's in the "download all my data" thing
21:15.31Gnarfoz(also fun how they consider September to mid-November enough time for removing a feature where users can input data)
21:16.35znfthanks Gnarfoz
21:16.38znfI realized what I did :D
21:16.58GnarfozI don't have my rubber duck suit on, but you're welcome
21:17.05znfhttps://i.imgur.com/ajam4oR.png
21:17.14znfnot sure why Thumbnails would be there tough
21:17.25znfseems it's not it's place
21:17.52Gnarfozsince they're cached, probably
21:18.09Gnarfozand thus take up space (and time to generate as well)
21:19.47znfok, so, I have no bleding on my dell
21:19.58znftough I do get that annoying tearing when running the test from ShareX
21:20.05znfI haven't found something similar that is not browser-based
21:20.20znfanyone knows of a tearing test that runs native?
21:20.59Gnarfozwhew, "add from portfolios" still has a download button "until March"
21:21.00nevcairielif you get any kind of tearing on the desktop with the compositor on, then your screen is broken
21:21.04nevcairielbecause its impossible
21:21.12Gnarfozguess I grabbed it just in time ;p
21:21.33znfI just don't know if I can trust that test from ShareX
21:21.50nevcairieltearing tests are easy, use a line that moves from left to right
21:22.05nevcairielnot so hard to do =p
21:22.14Gnarfozdoesn't madvr have one?
21:22.21nevcairieldont think so
21:22.42znfI don't see it in the browser tests :-|
21:23.24znfor video
21:24.26nevcairielre: 1803 Gnarfoz, it went rtm the other day so if you can find a ISO of that you could install it
21:24.45GnarfozI see; I usually use the MCT, but if that hasn't been updated, yet, I'll just wait
21:24.59nevcairielyeah that'll be another two weeks or so
21:25.19nevcairielapril 10 is the official date i think
21:26.19nevcairielrtm doesnt mean "done" afterall, just that they now update it using WU updates instead of full new builds = p
21:26.57GnarfozMPC-HC has the tearing test and it's disabled when madvr is being used btw
21:27.08quiescensmore generally, released doesn't mean done these days
21:27.10quiescens^^
21:27.16Gnarfozhas it ever
21:27.20nevcairielno
21:27.25Gnarfozit used to mean "no more updates" :D
21:27.53quiescensupdates gnarfoz
21:28.54znfI run the nvidia g-sync pendulum test
21:28.58znfno tearing there, either
21:29.19nevcairielit'll haunt you for ever now
21:29.33znfwell, I just want to know if I should return it :P
21:29.44znfthere's no other issue with the screen, no bleeding, no dead pixels
21:31.18znfStanzilla, 10.04 is the overwatch release date?
21:31.23znfI mean, anniversary?
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22:15.52Gnarfozhmm
22:16.17Gnarfozeither VLC or EntertainTV is being weird and not playing audio on some channels
22:16.27nevcairielpossibly both
22:16.32nevcairielalso stop using vlc
22:16.34Gnarfozindeed
22:16.42Gnarfozit's for my dad, what can I say :p
22:17.07Gnarfozat least I figured out where the screenshot and record locations can be set
22:17.49Gnarfoz(as it turns out, mpc-hc can't play the streams)
22:17.58nevcairielstreams of what
22:18.03Gnarfozentertain
22:18.07Gnarfoz(iptv)
22:18.14Gnarfozit's rtp, I think
22:18.29nevcairielit sort of can, but the url syntax to open it is a bit weird
22:18.45Gnarfozthis works in VLC: rtp://87.141.215.251@232.0.20.116:10000
22:19.02Gnarfozwhich, I guess, is unicast@multicast
22:19.08nevcairieli forgot how it worked, i havent had entertain for years now
22:19.32Gnarfoznever had it, and my dad has been paying for it for a couple of years now without realizing ;p
22:19.53nevcairielit also always was a bit flaky on the PC, since the multicast was VLAN'ed or something
22:19.56Gnarfoz(it's only 5€ extra these days)
22:19.59nevcairielbut one could probably fix that
22:20.27Gnarfozthat's not the issue; that would prevent it from working at all
22:20.43nevcairielfor some reason you always got a few minutes and then it would stop
22:20.52Gnarfozbecause it starts out with unicast
22:20.57Gnarfozuntil it can sync up to the multicast stream
22:21.05Gnarfoz(also, EntertainTV doesn't do it that way anymore; Entertain did - yeah, great naming)
22:21.13nevcairiellike i said, years ago
22:21.14nevcairiel:)
22:22.09Gnarfozinteresting, mpc hc can use the "Entertain" URL, but it only plays audio
22:22.29Gnarfozwhich is exactly the part that doesn't work in VLC for the same station
22:22.34nevcairiellol
22:25.52znfwhy stop using VLC?
22:26.01znfit still has uses with network streams
22:26.06znfcan pretty much play anything you throw at it
22:26.23znfnetwork wise, that is
22:26.33znfalso, I recently found out that mpc doesn't handle webm properly, but vlc does
22:26.41znfdidn't investigate why tough
22:26.49nevcairielwebm is just mkv, it works fine
22:27.18znfmaybe it fails on libvpx?
22:27.36nevcairielmaybe your self-made file is half broken =p
22:27.52znfI used ffmpeg
22:28.29Gnarfozmaybe VLC is doing weird things with my DAC?
22:29.25Gnarfozsame file (after recording it with vlc) has audio in mpchc
22:29.33Gnarfozso probably just a playback issue
22:30.09Gnarfozyup, disabled passthrough, that was it
22:30.14Gnarfozof course my DAC can't decode ac3 :p
22:31.09znfI need a decent bluetooth adapter for PC to use my QC35
22:31.21Gnarfozquality is pretty ok, as well; 7 Mbit/s h264 720p50 + 384 kbit/s ac3... if I was a TV watching person...
22:31.59znfnevcairiel, is bluetooth profile support hardware dependant or software?
22:32.00nevcairielsounds like about the same bandwidth you get from DVB-C for HD channel
22:32.03znfwindows wise
22:32.17nevcairielhardware
22:32.29Gnarfozunless you find a BT dongle that's really just an SDR :D
22:32.45nevcairielSDR is used far too rarely
22:32.48nevcairielso much potential
22:32.52Gnarfoz(no idea if that exists or if that would integrate with Windows)
22:33.07znfSDR?
22:33.13nevcairielsoftware defined radio
22:33.55znf125€
22:33.58znfyeah, I'll pass :D
22:34.11nevcairielinstead of hardware  components doing all the heavy lifting, you just get a simple radio that gives you all the raw data for your software to process in any way you want
22:35.00nevcairielthe big problem is that you need all this stuff in software then, so unless someone actually made a Bluetooth stack for an SDR radio.... :p
22:35.19znfyeah, figured
22:36.02znfmeh, I guess I could use any bluetooth dongle
22:36.16znfas QC35 only does AAC and SBC
22:36.48nevcairielmost of my motherboards have such stuff built-in, although i think this one actually came without that
22:37.19znfI always had a weird feeling for mainboard with built-in wifi/bt
22:37.27znffeels unnatural :D
22:37.44nevcairielI would just never use Wifi on a PC
22:37.53nevcairieland i practically never use BT ever
22:37.55znfI used to play WoW on a laptop my first years
22:37.57nevcairielso its all useless
22:38.14znfso much weird latency half a meter away from the router
22:39.03znfyou'd ping the ap/router, 1ms, 1ms, 1ms, 30ms, 1ms, 1ms
22:39.03znf??!
22:41.35Funkeh`that's how wireless works
22:44.24znfonly on laptops
22:44.42znfmy friend has 15km+ links that are ping-stable even when under load
22:45.03nevcairielthats not the same type of wifi =p
22:45.50Gnarfozalso not in the same place, probably (indoors with various other electronics, vs. on a roof somewhere with a dedicated dish)
22:46.29znfthe issue on laptop seems to be whatever DPC latency checker measures
22:46.48nevcairielthen you just have a crappy wifi receiver
22:47.46znfpft, best of the best! Intel!
22:50.08znfoh, I know
22:50.14znfI should have used KillerNIC
22:50.19znfguaranteed less latency!
22:52.07nevcairielbleh shitty amazon.co.uk. I was trying to get a Blu-ray, and they have multiple "shops" selling the same one, but the primary one its showing me is one that doesn't deliver to germany for some reason, and finding the button to switch to another one (amazon itself, as it turns out) took me way too long <.<
22:52.48znfthat "X from other sellers" is annoying
22:52.56znfyou can't go to the exact product page of that seller
22:53.04znfunless you add to cart and then click the product link again
22:53.08znfor is there another way?
22:54.36nevcairieli was looking at this, because its reported to have playback failures i want to look into, https://www.amazon.co.uk/71-Blu-ray-Jack-OConnell/dp/B00O7LYMIO/ .. the only way I found was to click the small price text under "New from" to go there, which is tiny and not very descriptive
22:57.32nevcairielanyway i should sleep, got some telephone conference shit in the morning
22:57.52znfI don't see a new from
22:57.52znf:D
22:58.17nevcairielin the variant table on the far right
22:58.51nevcairielthere is a tiny £3.94 you can click on to get there
23:00.06nevcairielits just dumb that it doesnt show me one i can actually order
23:00.21nevcairielit even  has a red warning text that it doesnt ship to me
23:00.48znfoh my god
23:00.57znfah yes, that's why I hate that offer-listing page
23:01.13znfit doesn't tell you that it does/doesn't ship to your country
23:01.30znfso I actually have to add to cart and either go trough the checkout process or click on the item link from my cart
23:01.34nevcairielthats why i just went with the original amazon offering, even if its slightly more expensive
23:01.44nevcairielbecause i know that ships
23:01.46znfSo I have like:
23:01.47znfhttps://i.imgur.com/21zhTaJ.png
23:01.48znfthen
23:02.03znfbasked
23:02.04znfthen
23:02.05znfhttps://i.imgur.com/Qmxmams.png
23:02.06znf\o/
23:03.00nevcairieli should find a place on the internet to reliably "borrow" untouched Blu-ray rips instead of buying broken discs tho =p
23:03.32znfhdbits? :>
23:03.58znfI don't have an invite for it tough
23:04.05znfor account
23:04.27nevcairielyeah those invite-only torrent communities are annoying
23:04.58znfit's how they've kept alive all these years
23:05.01nevcairieland often requires lots of seeding which you cant really do without getting  seed boxes
23:05.11znfand a decent health of torrent
23:05.12znfand a decent health of torrents
23:07.11Gnarfozshifty eyes
23:08.26nevcairielmaybe i should look for alternate nzb indexers again, wonder whats popular these days
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23:24.12znf>C 1 btc to usd
23:24.13Catal1na1 BTC == 7218.69 USD (04-9.47%) https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin
23:24.15znf:(
23:24.17znf>c 1 eth to usd
23:24.18Catal1na1 ETH == 389.236 USD (04-13.20%) https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethereum
23:24.20znfjesus man
23:24.21znfwtf?
23:24.29nevcairielits dead, jim
23:26.43znfmaybe the influx of miners will gtfo :D

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