IRC log for #wowace on 20170603

00:05.14znfI will. I'll stop using twitter
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00:24.36Stanzillafine by me
00:26.31nebulaStanzilla: speedo tychus 😍😍😍
00:27.04Stanzillaso cool
00:42.34StanzillaI kinda want a github notification extension
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02:12.02znfStanzilla has gone offline
02:12.18znfhmm, Gorillaz chucks
02:12.24znfis tempted to buy shoes again
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06:53.09Funkeh`oh dear
06:53.15Funkeh`twitch nags intensify
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07:06.53Funkeh`"It looks like your browser is blocking third-party cookies. To continue logging in, please enable third-party cookies and try again, or click the button below to log in on Twitch."
07:07.13Funkeh`nope Zeldo, this is why every other login has it's own landing page
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07:56.04nevcairielGnarfoz: it should
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12:48.02Funkeh`"So, what we learned is that Intel will be releasing just the Skylake-X processors with up-to ten cores in a week or two. All motherboard partners had the 10-core SKU which would be the Core i9 7900X that will be priced at 999 USD."
12:48.04Funkeh`rofl
12:48.10Funkeh`ok intel
12:48.33Kalroth10 cores for 1k, cheap!
12:48.35nebulaeh? that's pretty much inline with their past HEDT offerings, no?
12:49.13Funkeh`in line with their past rip off prices yes, not in line with competitive reality
12:49.40nebulai think you underestimate the enthusiast market
12:51.02nebulathey have so many x skus because broadwell-e did so well
12:51.42Kalrothpeople would order an odd core count if they could
12:51.55Kalroth"Can't I have a Skylake-X with 7 cores?? WHY NOT!!"
12:52.17FiskerCPU DLC
12:52.44FiskerFor $50 we disable the necessary amount of cores
12:53.30Kalroth"So what I'm hearing you say is that I can download more cores if needed??"
12:55.00FiskerYou can only download less
12:56.38Stanzillawhat about sass
12:56.40Funkeh`AMD was selling odd cores at one point
12:56.55Funkeh`afaik, they were ones with a core that failed, and they just disabled it and sold it on
12:57.07FiskerHi Stanzilla
12:57.11Stanzillahi
12:57.15Funkeh`that's true recycling
12:58.45FiskerHi
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13:45.45znfFunkeh`, and you could actually enable the core via bios!
13:51.16znfbecause not all of them were faulty
14:08.26znf>busu
14:08.28Catal1naWeather for Mamaia, Romania | Temperature: 24°C; Humidity: 69%; Conditions: Partly cloudy; Wind: East, 10kph; Updated: 8 mins, 26 secs ago | Forecast for Saturday: Chance of a thunderstorm; High of 26°C; Low of 16°C | Forecast for Sunday: Partly cloudy; High of 25°C; Low of 14°C | Forecast for Monday: Clear; High of 24°C; Low of 12°C
14:08.34znfconsidering turning the AC on
14:12.36ls-pcdamn, 24C is low...
14:12.41ls-pckinda cold T_T
14:12.57ls-pcI'd have to wear trousers if it's 24 here...
14:16.52znf?!
14:16.56znfwhere the fuck do yo live? the sun?
14:18.19ls-pcit depends, I live between BKK and Shanghai, have to move between the two cities regularly
14:19.38ls-pcit's 30-40 in summer in Shanghai, it's 30ish all year round in BKK
14:25.21znfhttps://np.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/6ez8ag/accidentally_destroyed_production_database_on/
14:25.23znfoh my fucking god
14:25.25znfwhat company does that
14:25.26znfwhat the fuck
14:26.18Kalrothi once worked for a large scandinavian company; a coworker there was editing production databases from sql management studio
14:26.31Kalrothone evening he marked his sql but missed the last where line
14:27.03Kalrothwe spent almost a week cleaning up after that, restoring data from backups, detecting what got modified, etc.
14:27.49Kalrothi'm happy there are extensions that'll check sql queries and make you confirm executing updates without a where clause now :P
14:28.42znfI've done that once, too
14:28.49znfinstead of changing a users password, I changed it all
14:28.54Kalrothhaha
14:28.56znfall the users, I mean
14:29.04znfI went "sorry, we had an issue with passwords, please reset"
14:29.04znf:D
14:29.22Kalroth"Yes, Mrs Johnson, your password is now BENISLOL. Yes, in upper case."
14:31.13Fiskerold znf
14:34.15znf./kick Fisker
14:34.56FiskerI apologise that you linked old stuff znf
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16:49.31Gnarfozanyone know if $WINRE_BACKUP_PARTITION.MARKER is a file I should keep? (system drive root directory) Google is not being helpful
16:49.49Gnarfozsomething about Windows RE but I have no idea when I would use that
16:50.53Gnarfoz(also I now seem to have: a 100 MB EFI partition, then the regular OS partition, then two 450 MB "recovery partition"s and finally the remaining free space)
16:51.49Gnarfoznot like they're taking up significant space or anything, they total 1 GB
16:51.53Gnarfozbut wtf? :p
16:52.09Gnarfozalso, a file called "END", also in C:\
16:52.25Gnarfozend contains nothing but: {}
16:52.43Gnarfozon Linux, I'd assume a command redirection gone wrong
16:54.07Stanzillayeah the windows 10 upgrades are a bit weird
16:54.08nebuladelete all the things!
16:54.19Stanzillaand it created more recovery partitions because the 100mb for the first one got too small
16:54.32Stanzillayou could delete them, resize the first one and then let it recreate the bootloader
16:56.02nebulai have just the one 450 MB recovery partition
16:56.11Gnarfozthe 100 one shouldn't be a recovery one, that's the one containing the Windows Boot Manager, no?
16:56.49GnarfozI think the "END" one is not from Windows at all, tbh. there's people online for which it contains either "conduitOK" (malware) or simply nothing (?)... I guess I'll just throw that one away
16:57.33Gnarfozand I can't quite recall anymore, but I don't think this install was an upgrade
16:57.51Gnarfozmaybe it was, idk! whatever it was, it was smooth enough to forget about it ^^
16:57.52Stanzillathey are all not really recovery ones
16:58.13Stanzillaits just where windows stores backups during upgrades for their bootloader stuff afaik
16:58.26Gnarfozisn't it also where it stores the "refresh computer" image?
16:58.39Stanzillathat would be a bit too large for 1gb
16:58.42nebulanot the image, but the preinstall environment
16:58.47Gnarfozgood point
16:59.03Stanzillawhat kyle said, basically the "setup" for it
16:59.03Gnarfozthere was a way to mount these partitions, but I forgot
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16:59.32Stanzilladiskpart wont do?
16:59.49Gnarfozat least diskmgmt.msc doesn't, I'm checking diskpart right now
16:59.57Gnarfoz(reagentc says "Windows RE location:       \\?\GLOBALROOT\device\harddisk8\partition4\Recovery\WindowsRE", which is the first of the two recovery partitions)
17:00.12GnarfozI'm less concerned about the partitions than the weird marker file, though ^^
17:00.37StanzillaI had that on my notebook after the the CE upgrade
17:00.42Stanzillajust deleted it and nothing happened
17:00.54Bluspacecow*sends Torhal a nose over Twitch
17:00.57Gnarfozwhen was CE first available?
17:01.12Bluspacecowwhich looks suspiciously like a
17:01.13nebulaapril?
17:01.15Gnarfozhm no, that can't be it, the file is from 2015-11-18
17:01.21Stanzillauh april 11 or so?
17:01.33Gnarfozwhich might have been 1511
17:01.44Stanzillayeah then it is from one of the prvevious upgrades
17:01.45Gnarfozsame concept different version?
17:01.46Bluspacecow1493
17:01.49Stanzillaye
17:02.11Gnarfozhm yeah diskpart works
17:02.23Gnarfozbut there's just Recovery and System Volume Information, both of which I don't have access to
17:02.28Gnarfozdon't really want to mess with the permissions
17:03.14Gnarfozsame on the second one
17:03.16Gnarfoz:shrug>
17:03.27GnarfozI'll throw away the marker file and be done with this ^^
17:03.46GnarfozI should also make a custom refresh image some day
17:03.54Gnarfozexit
17:03.57Gnarfozderp
17:04.32Gnarfozif I had to guess, the marker is to tell the WinRE that this is the partition where the backup for the current upgrade is located
17:04.58Gnarfozconsidering I deleted the backup long ago and am not currently upgrading anything... ^^
17:05.18Bluspacecowjust
17:05.25Bluspacecowjust do a barrell roll
17:06.06Gnarfozlolwut, metro apps have their own swapfile?
17:06.31Bluspacecowwat
17:06.45Gnarfozswapfile.sys in addition to pagefile.sys
17:07.08Gnarfozanyway, time to turn off 'show system files' and 'show hidden files' :p
17:07.37Bluspacecowbut then you can't find where WannaCry hide your files
17:07.48Bluspacecowby shoving them in %temp% and making them invisible
17:08.28Gnarfozis that what it does? I thought it just renames them
17:08.54Bluspacecowhttp://thehackernews.com/2017/06/wannacry-ransomware-unlock-files.html
17:09.05Bluspacecowhttps://securelist.com/blog/research/78609/wannacry-mistakes-that-can-help-you-restore-files-after-infection/
17:09.09quiescensgo to sleep blu cow o.o
17:09.21BluspacecowIt's Sunday morning
17:09.30quiescenssleep in ^^
17:09.31BluspacecowI work grave tonight so gotta be up late
17:09.39quiescens):
17:09.44quiescensgives blu a cookie
17:10.52znfha
17:10.54Bluspacecowhttps://i.imgur.com/EcxumnU.gifv <-------- Fisker if he were one of Torhal's cat
17:10.56znfI have that file, too
17:10.59znf$WINRE_BACKUP_PARTITION.MARKER
17:11.03znf0 bytes
17:11.24Bluspacecowcall the policeymans!
17:11.27znfwhen did they start trim-ing the hiberfile?
17:11.32znfmine is only 11.8GB
17:11.36znfit used to be full size of ram
17:15.10FiskerRam isn't even full size anymore
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17:18.57quiescensi don't think that is the traditional hibernation file
17:19.57quiescensa proper hibernation probably can use full size of ram, but the hiberfile is probably only sized to keep the fancy fast startup stuff by default unless you actually end up needing a full hibernation
17:33.12Gnarfozwhy would it be the size of full ram instead of used ram
17:35.59FiskerIt used to be Gnarfoz
17:36.12FiskerAnd for the glory of Satan
17:36.23Stanzilla*stan
17:36.28Gnarfozhim too
17:36.34FiskerOnly insane people use hibernation anyway
17:36.59FiskerSomeone should make a powercfg -h off t-shirt
17:37.01Gnarfoznone of the standby modes work for me anyway
17:37.08Gnarfozit just wakes right up again ^^
17:37.22Gnarfoz(and powercfg -lastwake doesn't say anything)
17:37.32Stanzillawas my mouse here
17:37.48Stanzillanow I turn the mouse off before standby and it sticks
17:38.06Gnarfozturn off?
17:38.12Stanzillayes my mouse has an off switch
17:38.18Gnarfozneat
17:38.22FiskerOr weak
17:38.24GnarfozI guess I could try and turn off the monitor the mouse is attached to
17:38.28FiskerDepends on the mouse
17:39.21Gnarfozshouldn't unchecking "allow this device to wake the computer" be enough
17:39.32Stanzillano
17:39.36Stanzillait just doesnt give a fuck
17:39.46Gnarfozhehe
17:40.05Gnarfozalso, my mouse is no less than 9 devices
17:40.07Gnarfozwtf mouse
17:40.15znfmine is 2 I think
17:40.25znfjust the mouse itself and the HID requied for keyboard crap
17:40.33Gnarfozhttp://i.imgur.com/DbtzeAd.png
17:41.04quiescensmy mouse is just a mouse o.o
17:41.11Gnarfozdoes it have a sniper button?
17:41.22quiescensit has buttons
17:41.25GnarfozRGB lighting? ventilation?
17:41.41znfactually http://i.imgur.com/pjiJyeV.png
17:41.49quiescensand a wire
17:42.00Gnarfozmine was "devices by container", znf
17:42.05FiskerDid you see the Corsair case with RGB logo and I/Ø?
17:42.12GnarfozI think so, yeah
17:42.23Gnarfozalso some x299 mainboard with rgb dimm slots
17:43.54nebulapfft, corsair has had rgb ram for awhile
17:44.02Gnarfozram, yes
17:44.08GnarfozI was talking about the slots themselves
17:44.09Gnarfoz:D
17:44.14nebula>.>;;
17:44.37Gnarfozalso, that ASrock bitcoin mining board
17:44.38Gnarfoz;D
17:44.44Gnarfozwith like 12 x1 pci-e slots
17:44.57Gnarfozhttps://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/WjBke5aoCEs1drLV2IzfFDV6n3M=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8605255/2017052415411291_big.png nice url
17:45.02Gnarfozthumb0r
17:45.11FiskerGangster
17:45.32FiskerCan I system.out() too?
17:45.36Gnarfozyou can try
17:45.37znfGnarfoz, oh, beat you, then
17:46.14znfhttp://i.imgur.com/ir87TML.png
17:46.21FiskerI should
17:46.25Gnarfozhow does 8 beat 9
17:46.26Gnarfoz:D
17:46.28nebulauh, that image looks like shit Gnarfoz, wtf lol
17:46.30FiskerBut then I'm suddenly a hacker
17:46.31znfI tought you said 7
17:46.38Gnarfozwell, I didn't
17:46.42Gnarfozbut thanks for playing! :D
17:46.45FiskerAnd I don't want to spend years in prison when Obama isn't in charge
17:47.00Gnarfoznebula: I'd actually not mind the dimm slots, but the rest is just ugh :D
17:47.08znfwait
17:47.09znfwait a second
17:47.17GnarfozFisker: too late
17:47.36znfGnarfoz, explain this http://i.imgur.com/rWPzsuL.png
17:47.47znfI only have 1 logitech product
17:47.47Gnarfozwell
17:47.55FiskerLooks like an URI znf
17:48.03Gnarfoztheir drivers must be weird, then
17:48.21znfah
17:48.27FiskerIsn't it because the mouse supports their macro shit?
17:48.29znfI have that many devices only when I connect the cable
17:48.32Gnarfozmy keyboard is 6 devices, my mouse is 9... USB works!
17:48.40znfwireless stuff has less
17:49.01Gnarfozsure, the entire deal is because they have more functions than basic USB HID
17:49.49Gnarfozthe only USB device I have that's not half a dozen devices seems to be my smartcard reader
17:50.08Gnarfozanyway
17:50.09Gnarfozsleep test
17:50.26znfok, I'm confused
17:50.31quiescensgives Gnarfoz a pillow and blanket
17:50.38znfmy USB Receiver also has 9 devices
17:51.18nebulawhy are you confused?
17:52.13znfhttp://i.imgur.com/lM1S9Ac.png
17:52.26znfnebula, I was born confused
17:52.30nebulaand angry
17:54.55Bluspacecowand orange
17:55.01Bluspacecowoh wait that's trump
17:55.19StanzillaI was born mad
17:55.38Stanzillainb4 someone says "bad"
17:55.48Bluspacecowwith a spoon
18:05.27GnarfozStanzilla: https://giphy.com/gifs/U1XhGr8CWqvVC/html5
18:05.39Gnarfozhowever
18:06.12Gnarfozafter I woke the PC and turned the screen back on (and thus the mouse attached to its USB hub), the mouse wouldn't turn back on
18:06.16Gnarfozand a minute later... http://i.imgur.com/Ul9o7Ie.jpg
18:06.30Gnarfozthanks func
18:07.00Gnarfozwoah since when does powershell have an audible bell
18:07.02GnarfozCE I guess
18:07.05GnarfozCU, I mean
18:08.08Gnarfozbtw Fisker znf quiescens: powercfg /h /type full|reduced
18:08.24Gnarfoz" Specifies the desired hiberfile type. A reduced hiberfile only supports hiberboot."
18:08.58FiskerSince a while Gnarfoz
18:09.08FiskerAt least 1703
18:09.14FiskerMaybe 1607 too
18:09.24znfI see
18:24.17Stanzillait even has one in win8
18:25.06StanzillaSet-PSReadlineOption -BellStyle Visual though
18:26.40FiskerHuh
18:26.52FiskerIt didn't have it in vanilla 10
18:27.22Stanzillaah well yeah guess its the powershell version not the windows version
18:27.39Stanzillahttps://goo.gl/photos/vXhMUxxuVASAWyXG8
18:27.40Stanzillapls kill me
18:29.23FiskerI feel your pain Stanzilla
18:30.07nevcairiel22.7 is kinda cool
18:30.18FiskerI too would kill myself if I had a plastic temperature gauge like that
18:32.38nebulait 37C yesterday here, suck it up
18:34.18nevcairielare you in Minneapolis, or on travels again?
18:34.35nebulayar, minneapolis
18:34.57nevcairielgood that i dont plan to visit this year, i hate their summer heat
18:35.56nevcairielI was in australia in their summer, so that was enough <.<
18:37.13nebulafriday was like "surprise! it's summer!" it's been ~15C now it's gonna stay around 30C
18:37.15nebulastupid sun
18:42.17znf>busu
18:42.19Catal1naWeather for Mamaia, Romania | Temperature: 20°C; Humidity: 94%; Conditions: Mostly cloudy; Wind: East, 11kph; Updated: 12 mins, 18 secs ago | Forecast for Saturday: Chance of rain; High of 25°C; Low of 16°C | Forecast for Sunday: Partly cloudy; High of 24°C; Low of 14°C | Forecast for Monday: Clear; High of 24°C; Low of 12°C
18:43.12znf25.8 inside tough
18:43.18Stanzillanevcairiel: 22.7 was outside
18:43.27Stanzillathe 28 are inside
18:43.28nevcairielso open a window
18:43.29nevcairiel:D
18:43.33Stanzilladoes not work here
18:43.34znf27.9 inside?
18:43.35znfwtf man
18:43.37znfturn on the AC
18:43.38Stanzillametal roof infront of my window
18:43.42StanzillaNO AC
18:43.43StanzillaFUCK YOU
18:43.47nevcairielopen all the windows and doors
18:43.49znfY U BAD?
18:43.50znfbuy AC
18:43.56znfit's, what, 500€
18:44.09Stanzilladunno
18:44.12znfless than that for a 9000 BTU
18:44.14nevcairieli got mine for 400 or so, its not very big but good enough for my living room
18:44.16FiskerHey trump
18:44.27znf>xau 1000 ron to eur
18:44.28Catal1na1000.00 ron = 218.30 eur
18:44.39znf~220€ for a 9000 BTU here
18:44.41FiskerSome of us wants our children to slowly suffer instead of ourselves okay?
18:44.43znfinstall included
18:44.55Stanzillafirst, the electrical bill for those are insane
18:45.09znfthat would use at most 2kW/hr
18:45.18Stanzillalink
18:45.27znflink to what?
18:45.37Stanzillathe ac for 220 and 2kw/hr
18:45.52znfhttps://altex.ro/aparat-de-aer-conditionat-vortex-vai-a0917fa-9000-btu-h-a-a-alb-kit-instalare-inclus
18:45.57znfok, I was wrong
18:45.59znf2500W
18:46.04znfso 25% more
18:46.13Stanzilladoes it need an exhaust
18:46.28znfit's a split type
18:46.36znfthe big fan thing gets installed outside
18:46.42znfthe slim pretty white thing is inside
18:46.59Stanzillathat would mean opening up a wall?
18:47.13znfthat would mean a 5cm diameter hole?
18:47.49znfdo you germans not have split-type ACs?
18:48.10Stanzillano
18:48.18Stanzillaand this house is rented
18:48.28znfI tought you were living with your folks?
18:48.29Stanzillathe landlord would probably not agree
18:48.35Stanzillayes still rented
18:48.48znfthen ask him to do something about it...
18:49.06Stanzillaprobably should
18:49.40nevcairielwe have split ACs, but installing them is a pain
18:49.41znfI tought you germans have high-tech things like chillers built in the whole house or stuff
18:49.55nevcairieland with our climate ACs are typically not installed
18:50.11nevcairielnot worth it for the two weeks of summer
18:50.20nebulaassuming you don't have cantilevered windows, you can just get a window or floor unit
18:50.35znfThere are these, too: https://altex.ro/aparat-de-aer-conditionat-portabil-vortex-vap-a1217la-12000-btu-h
18:50.39znfbut these need an exhaust
18:50.42znfand they're noisy as fuck
18:50.46nevcairieli have a floor unit with a tube out the window
18:50.48nevcairielworks fine
18:50.59nebulayea, i had one of those
18:51.06znfnevcairiel, not noisy?
18:51.12nevcairielit is kinda noisy, but i was sick of sweating to death, since i work here
18:51.30znfI know the feeling
18:51.37nevcairielits white-noise-ish, so you get used to it
18:52.08znfI have windows opened and shit, but I still have my heated rug at my pc :D
18:52.14nebulamine was more just the whoosh of the air, not so much motor whine or such
18:52.16znffucking marble floors
18:52.42znftech has probably improved, the one I saw was ~10 years old and it was very noisy
18:52.50znfthe type of noise you couldn't really sleep at night with
18:53.10nebuladefinitely not that bad
18:53.19nevcairielit wasnt directly in my bed room, so it was ok
18:53.38nevcairielor "isnt" i should say, if it stays this way i'll have to set it up soon
18:53.50nebulaalthough i like to speed with a fan on, so maybe it bothers some people
18:53.53znfI'm probably gonna wait a bit more to turn it on
18:53.58nebulas/speed/sleep/
18:54.08znfI sleep with asoftmurmur.com :P
18:54.48znfI don't know wtf is wrong with my Chrome. It seems to "lock up" every now and then
18:55.57znfhmmm, I just noticed my Win10 also created a recovery partition that wasn't there
18:56.01znfat the end of the drive
18:57.53znfIt's so nice outside...
18:57.59znfWish I had someone to hang out with
18:58.10Stanzillamy one problem is
18:58.15Stanzillai only have one wall going outside
18:58.25Stanzillaand that is also the only wall with the windows
18:59.02znfsplit type is what you want
18:59.21Stanzillabad pic but basically this https://goo.gl/photos/wqaAqfLDQL7SdfPP7
19:00.36Stanzillarip cat :(
19:02.00znfaw, kittie
19:02.04znfholy shit huge window
19:03.06nebulathe better to stare out at the roof with
19:03.16znfyes
19:03.22znfnice roof you got there, neighbour
19:03.47Stanzillait's a fucking grill in the summer
19:03.53Stanzillai used to sunbath on there
19:03.55znfbah, Ok Google sucks balls at voice detection in noisy environments
19:04.02znfaka - me listening to music
19:04.11znf"I can't identify songs yet"
19:04.14znfuseless piece of software
19:04.26nebulaStanzilla: well atleast you're doing away so people can't see you
19:04.31Stanzillaanyway, that wall with the windows is basically made out of shit
19:04.42Stanzillawe tried installing blinds once
19:04.54Stanzilladidnt even hold up the frame thingy for long
19:05.07nebulasounds like an anchor problem
19:05.17Stanzillahouse is super old and I think they just filled the walls with dirt
19:05.29Stanzillait just falls out as soon as you drill anything in it
19:05.34znfdirt should actually be a good insulator
19:06.00Stanzillashrug
19:06.21znffuck, for a second I tought I scratched my phone's camera lens
19:06.42znfit's incredible how easily this shit scratches... I've replaced it twice already
19:08.02znfdon't you have drywall over the actual wall?
19:08.06znfor how is that thing built?
19:08.15znfI have no idea how germans (used to) build their homes
19:08.52Stanzillaid have to google all the special words
19:08.53Stanzillain a game atm
19:09.05znfit sucks that you have an unusual ceiling profile
19:09.11znfyou can't even put blinds properly
19:09.42Stanzillayea
19:09.46znfactually you could, but you'd split the railing in 2, and have the left side tailored custom
19:09.51znfnot that hard to do
19:09.53Stanzillalike I said we tried
19:09.55Stanzillait just fell off
19:09.58znferm, by blinds I meant drapes
19:12.20znfuh, I need to make these: https://i.redd.it/ps4ednn25g1z.png
19:12.43Stanzillaalso the sun coming through the window is not actually the heating up source
19:12.48Stanzillaits the sun on the roof
19:13.25nevcairielsun is gone now
19:13.27nevcairielgo let air in
19:13.28znfyeah, that means your roof is crappy insulated
19:13.32znfor, rather, not insulated at all
19:13.41znfopen windows + doors, so an airflow forms :P
19:13.50StanzillaI am not dumb
19:14.07StanzillaI always open op when the sun is gone + x h that it takes for the metal roof to cool down a bit
19:14.08nevcairieli dunno, have you had yourself tested recently?
19:14.55Stanzillayes
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19:21.49znfhey Gnarfoz - have some beef https://www.instagram.com/p/BSyUscwBAJJ/
19:23.20znfok, that is enough /r/FoodPorn
19:23.22znfnow I'm starving
19:23.38Stanzillathat looks gross though
19:23.58znfit's wagyu
19:24.06znfit's melty and butter-ish and fucking expensive
19:24.45Gnarfozlooks like that knife needs sharpening, though
19:25.03znfit's probably slightly frozen to ease the cut
19:25.28Gnarfozalso this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpk2tdsPh0A and the comments are amazing (I blame _Kee)
19:26.30znfI was expecting food, Gnarfoz
19:26.42Gnarfozsounds like you're hungry
19:29.10znfsounds like you're right
19:29.17znfgoes make a salad
19:30.42nebulahttp://www.toreba.net/play/select/32021 thrilling gameplay
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19:43.35znfflash, nebula? :-|
19:48.14Stanzilladear god no
19:48.17Stanzillanobody wants to see that
19:48.44nebulahttp://www.toreba.net/play/select/34031
19:48.46nebulahe's about to win!
19:49.14nebulaboom
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19:58.57Stanzillahow bored are you
19:59.50nebuladon't you judge me
19:59.53StanzillaI dont
19:59.55Stanzillajust askin
20:00.09nebulawaiting for people to get here
20:00.39Stanzillaparty time?
20:02.26znf...so how do you play?
20:02.33znfor, rather
20:02.37znfhow do you redeem the prize, if you win?
20:04.49nebulawhat do you mean? you have an account with address on file
20:05.55nebulaStanzilla: nah, not really,  just hanging out
20:07.31znfoh, ok
20:07.37znfso, Stanzilla
20:07.48znfdo you germans have to pay any taxes if you buy a car?
20:07.51znflike, just literally buy it
20:08.02znflike, I sell you a car for 1€
20:08.18znfthen you sell me the car back for 2€
20:11.13nebulain the states (well my state) sales tax is fair market value, not actual sale price, and is just a small flat fee if value is < 3k
20:13.44znfI'm trying to skip property taxes if I ever buy another car
20:16.12Stanzillayes we do
20:17.00nebulanot sure how'd you avoid it, when you transfer the title you'd have to pay the tax, no?
20:17.16znfnebula, no
20:17.41znfthe deal is: I buy a car from a romanian guy, we do the papers and stuff
20:17.55znfhe goes to his town council fiscal place whatever, he presents the selling contract
20:18.19znfso the car is no longer in his name at the local fiscal whatever, so he doesn't pay taxes anymore for that
20:19.02znfwhen the seller does that, his fiscal office whatever (wish I knew how it's called) sends a letter to the buyers fiscal office thingie: "hey, X is no longer the owner of this car, your guy, Mr. Y is, so tax him acordingly"
20:19.37znfnow Mr. Y goes to register his new property
20:19.45znfthen a few days later he sells it to a foreign citizen
20:20.08nebulano idea how it work in eu, but here, after the sale, the buyer is responsible for registering the vehicle and you can't do that without paying the sales tax and fees
20:20.10znfthen the foreign citizen sells it back to Mr. Y
20:20.18nebulalike it's not officially yours until you register it
20:20.48znfthe local fiscal thingie is not connected to the police database, so they can't check it, ever
20:28.55znfnebula, oh, also, the law states that whoever owned the car on 31st of December has to pay the taxes
20:29.10znfso if I own a car on 31st of December 2016, I have to pay taxes for it
20:30.03nevcairielyour law is stupid
20:30.50znfyes
20:30.55znfit's made to go around
20:31.07znfhonestly, you'd have to be stupid to actually pay your taxes
20:31.38znfif the Environment Minister has a car with a big engine registered in another country (Bulgaria) so she skips taxes, why the fuck would I pay them?
20:32.51Gnarfozcan't shake the thought "this is why your country has the reputation it has"
20:33.52znfIf the "big guy" on top doesn't follow the laws for the common people, why should the "little guy" follow them?
20:34.25Gnarfozindeed
20:34.43GnarfozI'm not saying you're at fault for doing the obvious thing in the situation
20:36.04znffor a minute I considered registering my car in Romania
20:36.07znfthen I saw the taxes
20:36.32znf2.0L engine = 180 RON
20:36.35znf>xau 180 ron to eur
20:36.36Catal1na180.00 ron = 39.29 eur
20:36.40znfcheap as fuck
20:36.56znf2.001L engine = 720.36 RON
20:37.00znf>xau 720.36 ron to eur
20:37.01Catal1na720.36 ron = 157.25 eur
20:37.22znfmy engine (2.504L) - 901 RON
20:37.24znf>xau 901 ron to eur
20:37.25Catal1na901.00 ron = 196.69 eur
20:37.54znfI wanted a 3L engine (2998 cm3) = 2158 RON
20:37.57znf>xau 2158 ron to eur
20:37.58Catal1na2158.00 ron = 471.09 eur
20:38.00znfFuck. That.
20:40.16znfthe tax should be progressive, imho, they should just charge more money just for the extra capacity
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20:44.34Gnarfozwhy the hell would you need a 3L engine
20:44.36Gnarfozare you USian
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20:44.56Gnarfoz(also, 2L is a cutoff of some sort? certainly looks that way)
20:48.05Gnarfozactually
20:48.14Gnarfoz2L petrol engine is also 40€ here
20:48.24Gnarfozbut only if it had 0g CO2/km
20:48.26Gnarfoz:D
20:49.03Gnarfoz(or, well, anything below 96g)
21:06.11znfGnarfoz, I was talking about the yearly tax
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21:23.49Gnarfozyeah? I don't think I misunderstood you
21:24.18Gnarfozour tax is measured on both displacement and co2 output
21:27.36znfthe yearly tax is only in displacement here
21:32.49Gnarfoza 2999 cm³ displacement petrol engine would only incur 60€ tax, if it didn't produce any co2
21:33.26Gnarfozthey changed the calculation method in 2009 to shift it more onto co2, so displacement is rather cheap now for petrol at least
21:34.21Gnarfozdiesel is still almost 5 times as much per 100 cm³ displacement
21:34.59Gnarfozbut then, that subsidizes cheaper diesel fuel
21:36.35nevcairielbut then anyone buying a diesel engine today is probably not very smart
21:36.53nevcairieli like driving through cities in the future
21:38.40nebulalol taxes based on emissions
21:38.44nebulaclimate change is a hoax
21:39.44nevcairielnebula is a trump supporter, i see
21:40.05Funkeh`I pay 0 road tax becauses my diesel vehicles emissions are so low, don't give me that shit, we don't all buy german
21:40.30nebulaamerica will finally be great again once we can send children back into the coal mines
21:40.32nebulajust you wait
21:40.40EthanCentauraioh hell no boy
21:40.46Gnarfoznevcairiel: actually, I already regret not buying a Diesel again
21:40.59Funkeh`Gnarfoz, you didn't get the diesel variant? :o
21:40.59Gnarfozconsumption is just ridiculous now ^^
21:41.36Gnarfoznope, for some weird reason I didn't
21:42.20nevcairielFunkeh`: all diesel have higher emissions then ordinary petrol engines, even if you stick within the allowed limits, and many cities in germany are starting to have issues with emission limits, so diesel cars are eventually going to get the shaft and get banned from certain areas
21:42.31Gnarfozthat's straight up not true, though
21:42.36Funkeh`:D
21:42.46Funkeh`ssuch nonsense
21:42.56nebulathe idea of clean diesel had been largely disproved, i though
21:42.56Gnarfozmodern direct injection petrol engines have the same particulate emissions problems Diesels had years ago and fixed by adding particulate filters
21:42.57nebulat
21:43.08znfDPF is a thing :P
21:43.24Gnarfozso it's only a matter of time before the bureaucrats figure that out and enforce DPF on petrol too
21:43.38GnarfozI hope they're as slow as  usual and I'll be on my next car by then
21:43.38Gnarfoz:P
21:43.47Funkeh`which will hopefully be electric
21:44.03znfI don't see myself getting an electric in the near future
21:44.14Gnarfozmight be; still the problem of "charging at home" when "home" is a flat somewhere
21:44.16znfnot that I don't want to
21:44.22znfyup, same issue I forsee
21:44.24Funkeh`yeah that's also my problem
21:44.34Funkeh`I'm hoping for some form of portable/removable battery
21:44.37znfI park literally on the street
21:44.47znfwell, close to, anyway
21:45.07znfso unless they suddenly make all petrol stations have an electric charger, that does it fast and it's everywhere...
21:45.09GnarfozI think that would require a bit more of a miracle than just improved capacity... the batteries make up like 50% of the car's weight :D
21:45.25Funkeh`can always hope
21:45.34Gnarfoztrue
21:45.38Funkeh`maybe one of those graphene breakthroughs actually makes it aps the lab
21:45.39znf>wolf 300 miles to km
21:45.42nebulagetting 80% of a charge is pretty quick, so stopping by a charger wouldn't be terrible
21:45.43Catal1naInput: convert 300 miles to kilometers
21:45.44Funkeh`past*
21:45.44Catal1naResult: 482.8 km  (kilometers)
21:46.00znf>wolf 80% of 300 miles to km
21:46.03Gnarfoznebula: true enough, if you have a good one near you
21:46.05Catal1naInput: convert 300 miles to kilometers×80%
21:46.06Catal1naResult: 386.2 km  (kilometers)
21:46.08nebulathere's a lot of place around here that have added chargers, no just gas stations
21:46.15znfI'm ok with "refueling" every 300kms
21:46.19Gnarfozwe have 3 competing charging systems here now
21:46.26znfalso that's the other issue
21:46.31Gnarfozof which only Tesla's I'd consider acceptable
21:46.40znfuntil they can figure out the charging port to be standard...
21:46.41Gnarfoz(in regards to speed)
21:47.11znfI think tesla partenered with some automakers
21:47.13znflike bmw?
21:47.18znfto build a charging network
21:47.33Gnarfozhaven't heard of that
21:47.39Gnarfoz"miracle battery" is right up there on the vaporware charts with nuclear fusion powerplants, though :|
21:47.49Funkeh`Im not sure how partnering with bml helps gets charging points on the road
21:47.58Funkeh`surely you'd want goverments/road owners for that
21:48.06Funkeh`bmw*
21:48.15Gnarfozyeah, no idea. maybe charge points at BMW dealerships
21:48.23nevcairielGnarfoz: the EU already decided to force particle filters for direct injection petrol cars
21:48.36Gnarfoznevcairiel: see? only a matter of time before that becomes a reality, then
21:48.37nebulai remember there were rumors about tesla partnering with VAG for their charging tech
21:48.43znfhttp://blog.caranddriver.com/tesla-installing-more-urban-chargers-as-bmw-and-nissan-build-road-trip-waypoints/
21:48.55Funkeh`Gnarfoz, just import from UK :D
21:48.57nevcairielGnarfoz: 2018 for new cars, old cars probably get a pass like usual
21:49.02znfFunkeh`, you drive on the wrong side of the road
21:49.07znfyour cars are mirrored
21:49.09Funkeh`sshhh
21:49.21GnarfozFunkeh`: sorry, don't wanna import pay tax on UK goods ;P
21:49.35znfhaha, right
21:49.35Gnarfozpay... import... switch places!
21:49.36znfno more EU
21:49.50Gnarfoznot quite yet, but you know where the jab was going ;p
21:50.00nebulahow long do they have to finalize that? two years?
21:50.04Gnarfozsomething like that
21:50.36Gnarfozare there any scottish car makers/factories? :p
21:50.56znfthey still make vauxhals, don't they?
21:51.24Gnarfozyou realize those are just Opels? ^^
21:51.27znfyes
21:51.34znfbut afaik they had a factory in UK
21:51.39Funkeh`not sure there's much of anything scottish short of whiskey and shortbread
21:51.53nebulaand haggis
21:52.03Funkeh`that's not really an export
21:52.15Gnarfozat least it shouldn't be
21:52.29Funkeh`we had a growing games industry but underfunding is killing it
21:52.47znfyou could always get a https://www.morgan-motor.co.uk/aero8/ Gnarfoz
21:52.54znfI'd drive that.
21:53.09GnarfozI'd not buy a british car if my life depended on it
21:53.15GnarfozI'm sure most brits would agree :p
21:53.20znfI'd buy a morgan
21:53.22znfthat car is sexy as fuck
21:53.37znfEngineBMW 4799CC V8
21:53.40znfMax Power270kw (367/bhp)
21:54.08znfthat reminds me, I should check the prices on Mazda MX-5's
21:54.17Gnarfozweirdly enough, most of Vauxhall's production in the UK (they have two plants) gets exported as Opel, whereas most Vauxhall cars sold in the UK are made elsewhere in Europe in Opel plants
21:54.30Gnarfozaccording to WP at least
21:54.37znfGnarfoz, I guess brits really don't want a car made in uk
21:55.38Gnarfozfrom my twisted Top Gear-educated viewpoint, their own brands are mostly unreliable rubbish or have died out/bought up
21:55.50nebulathe first thing i think of for "british car" is horrible engine maintenace costs
21:56.09znfhmmm
21:56.12znf2800€ for a Miata
21:56.24znfbut I think it's actually an MX-5 (Miata is the US version)
21:57.50znfmeh, only manuals
22:01.11GnarfozI like how the "environment lighting" function of my car (downward pointing LEDs in the wing mirrors) is internally called "puddle lamp" :D
22:02.06Gnarfozand I don't like how far off the consumption figures are from reality
22:02.42Gnarfozthat's really annoying :P (I know the test cycles exist to be able to compare cars to each other, but why must they be this far off)
22:03.20znfthere's so much crap on indiegogo
22:03.39znflike https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/beast-car-flags-stand-up-and-stand-out-cars/x/16753834#/
22:04.53Funkeh`http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40146916
22:06.08znfaccident or...?
22:06.09Gnarfozthat seems like a good idea, znf
22:07.01Gnarfozconsidering the news is from 6min ago, they probably don't know, yet
22:07.17nebulaMs Jones later reported seeing a man being arrested by police. She said he was handcuffed and had his shirt off.
22:07.22nebulams. jones knows
22:07.32Funkeh`not really
22:07.36Funkeh`could still be a drunk
22:07.52Stanzillathat was not a great idea https://gfycat.com/IllfatedAlarmedHydatidtapeworm
22:08.07Gnarfozderp
22:08.16Funkeh`twitter is a cesspool
22:08.18Funkeh`news at 11
22:08.24Stanzillanot about that but ok
22:08.33znfFunkeh`, what does "p.a." mean? as in, 60k p.a.
22:08.43znfwhen talking salary
22:08.44Funkeh`per annum
22:08.45EthanCentaurai"per annum"
22:08.47znfah
22:08.48EthanCentauraior yearly
22:09.21pompythere was a possible attack on the london bridge is what that hashtag is about
22:09.32Funkeh`http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-40147014 there you go stanzilla
22:09.38Funkeh`I know you like your live feeds
22:09.59Stanzillaonly when your mom is streaming
22:10.03Gnarfozznf: don't you know latin when you see it? isn't Romanian practically neo-latin?
22:10.18znf60k € p.a. doesn't tell me much, no
22:10.34Gnarfozhttps://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/871121909060075520 wait what, accurate info? don't be ridiculous
22:11.09znfapparently I got some messages on linked in about new jobs
22:11.14znfbut I turned that shit off
22:11.22znflinkedin should be called SpamIn
22:13.23znfwhy can't I turn off my education on linkedIn
22:14.27Gnarfozjust say you have none
22:14.39znfnot an option, apparently
22:14.56znfhttp://i.imgur.com/thagV0h.png
22:17.29znfI can't understand how linkedin website still feels so clunky to browse
22:18.11znfprobably all the delayed loading
22:22.16znfMakes me feel like I'm on dial-up
22:23.18Funkeh`"Police are reported to be treating injured people and carrying them away at the end Thrale Street, near London Bridge."
22:23.33Funkeh`"Earlier, there were reports of gunfire."
22:31.30EthanCentauraican we go one day without someone trying to kill people ;_;
22:41.25Funkeh`yes, after we backdoor everything, that will fix the problem
22:42.47Gnarfozalso, ban porn on the internet
22:43.07znfhmmm, I have an idea
22:43.39znfWonder if I can implement a system-wide scan with wpscan.org on our shared hosting servers
22:43.40Funkeh`that's to save the poor children
22:46.19Gnarfozwon't anyone think of the children?
22:59.19Funkeh`seems like it's multiple attacks
22:59.43Funkeh`"Police have now said they are responding to a third incident in Vauxhall"
23:04.38znfyes, that's smart of me, run a vulnerability scanner off a non-whitelisted IP address
23:04.46Gnarfozgood job
23:05.00GnarfozFunkeh`: "incidents" ;)
23:05.10Gnarfozactually, 2 incidents and "reports of stabbings"
23:06.11Gnarfozsaid it elsewhere earlier, but I hope: it was a case of drunk driving, stabbing misreported, "3rd incident" was a domestic dispute or something - at least that's I'd like the night to end
23:07.31Stanzilla3 incidents now
23:23.01Funkeh`sorry, incidents idd
23:48.36Gnarfoz@metpoliceuk gained over 50k followers in the last hour (or Twitters numbers update slowly)
23:58.47Funkeh`"The incident at #Vauxhall is a stabbing and is not connect to the incidents at #LondonBridge & #BoroughMarket"
23:58.54Funkeh`just your casual everyday stabbing
23:59.02Gnarfozye

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