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01:17.38znfHeh, I just won 190 Ron by playing 10 Ron at the slots
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01:27.44StanzillaSemlar: https://youtu.be/akZvL2Vp6xY
01:28.37Stanzillahe got your name wrong though :D
01:28.38Semlar^_^
01:28.42Semlarclose enough
01:34.27nebulaTorhal: to support http://legacy.curseforge.com/wiki/projects/uploading-through-a-script/ i assume, since you need to pass the internal id curse uses instead of just the game version number
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03:04.11Torhalnebula: WAT
03:04.17TorhalPlease explain.
03:04.31nebulaeh? i'm not sure what i need to explain
03:04.35quiescenso.o
03:04.47TorhalI have no idea what the hell that is, so I have no idea what you're saying.
03:05.21nebulayou have an api to upload files to cf, said api went batshit retarded
03:05.41TorhalSo did .docmeta three years ago.
03:05.50TorhalNo idea why, and apparently nobody else does.
03:06.08TorhalThe reverse relationship subsystem completely died in 2011.
03:06.40TorhalWhen it comes to the current site, frankly I hope it just fucking dies completely so people get a fire under their ass to get the new shit online.
03:07.00nebulabut the entire project system when to legacy subdomain, so atleast you have that working for ya
03:07.10TorhalHuh?
03:08.26TorhalOk
03:08.33nebulaoh, i guess it's just random bits, been redirected to legacy.curseforge.com poking around
03:08.55TorhalBased on the highlight from scrollback highlight several hours ago, you want "internal_id"
03:09.13nebulano
03:09.16nebulathat's the toc
03:09.41TorhalIf something is breaking from legacy.curseforge.com it's likely something they missed when www.curseforge.com started being directed to the new software stack.
03:10.12TorhalThat broke a lot of shit, including the packager, until I told them to pull their fucking heads out of their asses.
03:10.16nebulai had hoped it ment beta was moving forword  T.T
03:10.20nebulaforward* even
03:10.22TorhalNo.
03:10.34TorhalI was a part of the "beta" project for three years.
03:10.48TorhalI'm pretty sure I was the only one who used/cared about the system.
03:11.26TorhalI'm kinda drunk at the moment, so I'm speaking my mind.
03:11.51TorhalAnyway...
03:11.57nebula:p
03:12.24TorhalPlenty of things about the old system are broke as all fuck. Take a look at http://wow.curseforge.com/profiles/
03:12.37TorhalThat used to show a list of anyone who was a project owner.
03:12.46TorhalNo idea when that died.
03:12.57TorhalRecently, though.
03:12.58Xuerian_SHIT'S JUST DEAD YO
03:13.01TorhalYup.
03:13.28TorhalI'm as disenfranchised as any of you are. There's a reason I'm no longer a full-time developer.
03:13.45TorhalThat being said: Shit is going to line up again.
03:13.55XuerianOh?
03:14.27TorhalI'm still a part-time developer for CurseForge, but the rest of the team has been pulled away for a completely different project to get internal things in-line with projections.
03:14.41TorhalAll of the new-site stuff is recommencing in March.
03:15.07TorhalI'm sure you've all noticed no activity since September.
03:15.07XuerianWell that's good to hear.
03:15.11TorhalWell, there's your reason.
03:15.32nebulawhat internal things?
03:15.37XuerianO
03:15.41XuerianI'm not sure he's THAT drunk yet
03:15.42TorhalSorry - late November.
03:16.21pompywhat year? :P
03:16.26Xuerianowch
03:16.37Torhalnebula: In September, the company was completely split into two divisions. In that split, the CurseForge dev team was refreshed.
03:16.55nebulaahso
03:17.32TorhalWe gained a new lead. Our target for relaunch was BlizzCon. Unfortunately, with the new lead and other things beyond our control, that deadline was re-assigned (didn't slip).
03:18.03TorhalAfter BlizzCon, we were on track for the next month. Then the thing we were told would never happen... happened.
03:18.12TorhalEveryone was pulled off for a different project.
03:18.44TorhalThis was a key project, so it is completely understandable. The old sites (more or less) work.
03:19.21TorhalThe company split and the lack of devs to fill the old positions necessitated this, unfortunately.
03:19.53TorhalBut yeah. I'm still here, though lacking the clout I once had due to not being on the official dev team.
03:20.02Xuerianrip.
03:20.09TorhalAnd sometime in March, everyone will be back full-time.
03:20.44TorhalMostly a new team save for me (and I only say me because I still have code access and input on direction) and one other person.
03:21.49TorhalSo anything that is broken on the old stack is just fucking dead, unfortunateky.
03:22.07TorhalRepos have been dead since 2013.
03:22.11TorhalEffectively.
03:22.42TorhalI mean, I can't count the number of times I've had to manually-queue a project because it simply failed to package since the November (of that year) maintenance.
03:23.03Xuerianraises hand
03:23.05Xuerianmostly me
03:23.22TorhalI cannot fucking wait until we do the changeover. I've written a completely new packager. It's nice. It fucking works. It has many failovers.
03:23.37TorhalI thought it would be here two years ago.
03:23.39XuerianI can just imagine you huddled over the new one "NEVER AGAIN"
03:23.41TorhalI'm so sorry it hasn't.
03:24.05XuerianWell I mean then what will I bug you about
03:24.11XuerianOur relationship will fall to ruin
03:24.38TorhalI'm pretty sure I'll be the authoritative figure for the packager for the foreseeable future. The new one, I mean.
03:26.43TorhalI also have to give a big shoutout to all the people who bitched/whined/screamed incessantly about things on the old stack, yet gave a whimpering "It looks okay" or "It sucks" or "I hope it's better than what we have now" when presented the preview of the new shit.
03:26.47TorhalFuck you all.
03:26.48Torhal:D
03:26.55XuerianSo are the other sites running the real thing currently? Wildstar/minecraft/etc
03:27.00TorhalYes.
03:27.08TorhalThey didn't require the shit WoW does.
03:27.24Xuerian#dependencymanagement
03:27.52TorhalReally, though, we (the rest of the goddamn team who have never and will NEVER use the site) needed the feedback that like three goddamn people gave.
03:28.16TorhalDid I already say "Fuck you all?"
03:28.18Torhal:D
03:28.21Torhalducks.
03:28.21XuerianHey now
03:28.25XuerianWe'd give feedback
03:28.35Xuerian... if we could use it
03:28.41TorhalI was the dude literally on the front lines.
03:28.56TorhalAnd I had three to five people even bother backing me up.
03:29.14TorhalSo I left.
03:29.26Xueriangg
03:30.34TorhalLike I said, the team is comprised of people who have never and will never use the site for its intended purpose. I was the only one who did.
03:31.12TorhalWhy continue to fight (almost literally) against the people you work with, when you have no backup and can just move on?
03:32.53Torhal<PROTECTED>
03:33.03TorhalI'm still willing to put my voice in.
03:33.30TorhalI'm no longer sitting in an office face-to-face with people, but I can still raise a stink.
03:33.43XuerianWell duno about everyone else, but I kind of just gave up complaining about stuff a while ago. I imagine if you mentioned a few times in channel that it needed comments, you might get maybe one more person :D
03:34.14TorhalI did,
03:34.37Semlartries to calm torhal down
03:34.39TorhalI implored people to give feedback on the forums when I thought we'd launch in December of 2014.
03:35.02TorhalI got Phanx and three to four people who either aren't even in this channel or were authors for other games.
03:35.20Xuerian"Curseforge has forums?"
03:35.31XuerianWould've been my response till I got pissed with comments on Lockdown and moved to them..
03:35.48Torhalhttp://www.curseforge.com/forums/wow-beta-sites
03:36.11Semlarwhat's a packager
03:36.31TorhalIt's when your mom can't think of a better term for what you just walked in on, Semlar.
03:36.41Semlar:O
03:37.01TorhalSemlar: Are you being serious?
03:37.31Semlari can guess, i don't use github though
03:37.40TorhalHoly shit, you are serious.
03:37.57TorhalThe packager takes your commit and makes a zip based ona .pkgmeta file.
03:38.18TorhalSemlar: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/projects/pkgmeta-file/
03:38.20Xueriancan't actually
03:38.21Xueriantell
03:38.22Xuerianis he?
03:38.27Xuerian:|
03:38.28Semlari just upload zips man
03:38.43Semlarversion control is overrated
03:38.51TorhalXuerian: Considering the fact that he has an almost encyclopedic knowledge of the WoW API, yet hasn't actually released a goddamn thing...
03:39.04Semlar>_>
03:39.06Semlar<_<
03:39.11Torhal^_^
03:39.23XuerianIs also the answer to "How do I do anything I'm not supposed to do with an addon"
03:39.40TorhalXuerian: He does that, too.
03:39.50TorhalNot to the degree foxlit does...
03:40.17XuerianOh? I haven't seen his illicit shenanigans
03:40.21Semlarit's not fair because foxlit knows what he's doing
03:42.47TorhalSemlar: Anyone who uses single-letter variable names either has no idea what he's doing, or is an asshole.
03:42.54TorhalI'm pretty sure foxlit is an asshole.
03:43.38XuerianI looked inside opie
03:43.39Xuerianonce
03:43.45Semlarare you saying i shouldn't use him as a role model
03:45.10TorhalDefinitely not, Semlar. You should use the goddamn Force.
03:45.12TorhalFucker.
03:46.33Semlar<PROTECTED>
03:46.38Semlarthis is never going to get here
03:46.55TorhalLooking good, eyamaz: http://i.imgur.com/Ox9jWit.jpg
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03:48.06Semlarit's been in new york since monday
03:48.55TorhalSemlar: I bet Neffi has it.
03:49.45Semlarwho even knew there was a jamaica new york
04:01.00Endnebula: it looks like the beta version of the api for versions is slightly more to your liking (it's a list and it's sorted)
04:01.31quiescensnerf semlar
04:01.31End[...,{"id":567,"gameVersionTypeID":21,"name":"6.1.0","slug":"6-1-0"},{"id":576,"gameVersionTypeID":21,"name":"6.2.0","slug":"6-2-0"},{"id":579,"gameVersionTypeID":21,"name":"6.2.2","slug":"6-2-2"}]
04:01.46Semlar:(
04:02.25Endit's actually a Semlar that is made of nerf foam
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04:17.05Stanzillanevcairiel: have you looked for any alternatives to anydvd yet? so far I found http://www.dvdfab.cn/passkey-lite.htm to be interesting
04:19.28XuerianPeople still use dvds?
04:20.35TorhalXuerian: Stanzilla is all about double-vaginal, double-strudel.
04:21.09XuerianMan, you get fresh when you get drunk :p
04:21.30TorhalFresh? I rather thought that was a stale joke.
04:21.52XuerianThe strudel was, at least.
04:21.56XuerianBut then I guess it has to be
04:22.20TorhalDay-old bread is apparently the best.
04:23.42StanzillaXuerian: well its supposed to be for bluray too
04:23.46Stanzillaand Torhal WTF
04:23.54StanzillaI gave feedback too, via the feedback tool but I was ignored :<
04:23.57Stanzillaso I gave up
04:24.08TorhalNo you weren't.
04:24.18TorhalBut the forum was the better route.
04:24.31Stanzilla:<
04:24.34TorhalCan't reply to "feedback"
04:24.53StanzillaI might be doing it again when the team gets back to it
04:25.18TorhalI hope you do. And, that you bring others. The last round was pathetic, from a community standpoint.
04:25.57XuerianWhat's on the beta sites is out of date now, yeah? Or still what we're supposed to bitch about?
04:25.59StanzillaI'd still like to blame that on the lack of counter feedback and the overall "it wont change a thing because it never did" feeling everyone here has though
04:26.00TorhalEvery time I would say "Look at this post - saying exactly what I've been saying" all I heard was "That's a single person. Obviously nobody cares."
04:26.12TorhalXuerian: Definitely out of date.
04:26.59Stanzillaalso I guess voices will be louder/more when people are actually forced to use it, as in when the old site shuts down
04:27.01XuerianFor me it was really that it couldn't push to curse. I would've used it if I could have "opt in to new version" instead, though I'm sure that would've been a bitch
04:27.50TorhalStanzilla: What it boiled down to (at least, under the old regime) was "We're going to completely ignore the fact that you're a part of the community and that you actually use this site. We're just looking at the number of respondents, and thusfar they're falling in line with every other site we've completely revamped; they don't actually care. They just like to bitch. Well, some of them."
04:28.23Stanzillayeah understandable
04:28.49TorhalWhat we need is everyone who has a stake in this to speak the fuck up. And not about shit like CSS or "this font is sized wrong"
04:28.50Stanzillabut what Xuerian said is probably a good suggestion
04:28.55Stanzillabut probably not technically possible
04:29.16Stanzillathat you check a setting that you want to use the new stack and everything you do gets forwarded to the new shit so you cant use old anymore
04:29.17TorhalXuerian: Opt in to new version? WAT?
04:29.20Stanzillaso you actually find bugs etc
04:29.22Xuerianwell
04:29.22TorhalNow
04:29.26TorhalNo
04:29.29StanzillaI just explained what he meant
04:29.32TorhalNew stack is NEW STACDK
04:29.47TorhalOld CurseForge is Python-based.
04:29.54Stanzilla> but probably not technically possible
04:29.55TorhalNew CurseForge is C#-based.
04:29.59TorhalThere's no opting in
04:30.04StanzillaI said that
04:30.05Stanzilla:D
04:30.10Torhalk
04:30.14XuerianYeah, but opt in or not there was no way to use it in production
04:30.30TorhalUse what, exactly?
04:30.32TorhalThe features?
04:30.36Xuerianthe new stack, yeah
04:30.40XuerianI mean, for wow addons
04:30.44quiescensthe people that are able to report actual issues also tend to have an element of "oh someone has already reported this so i don't need to", rather than just going "me too" to an already existing post
04:30.51TorhalOh, you're talking packager and whatnot.
04:30.58quiescenswhereas minor issues get a lot of randoms that just like to complain
04:31.27Torhalquiescens: Expounding instead of "me too" helps.
04:32.20TorhalXuerian: That was an issue, I agree.
04:32.34Xueriannot that it was practical and just left out for spite or anything
04:32.53XuerianCause I was glad to use the new stuff on the wildstar cf, see light tag issues
04:33.17TorhalThough we now have old-to-new-stack repo support. I extensively tested in the dev environment, and Subversion, Mercurial, and Git all work flawlessly with the packager when pushing a commit to the old stack.
04:33.27Xuerianso
04:33.30Xuerianabout fossil support
04:33.46TorhalThe plan is to keep the old repos active on the new stack.
04:33.46Xuerianducks
04:34.05TorhalPart of that was to ensure my packager did the right thing.
04:34.06Endthat's good, wouldn't want to break everyone's pkgmetas
04:34.17quiescensgives Torhal a cookie
04:34.37TorhalEnd: THAT is something we have to work toward.
04:34.45TorhalURLs are completely different.
04:34.49Endoh jeez
04:34.56TorhalSo anyone who has "externals:" in .pkgmeta...
04:35.11Stanzilla...
04:35.12TorhalI bitched LOUDLY about that.
04:35.13Stanzillaget lost :<
04:35.22Torhal"So, you're just going to fucking break the whole community?"
04:35.42TorhalThe response was that it was MY issue.
04:35.52quiescens\o/
04:35.58Torhal"You need to do something with the packager that will translate the URLs to the new ones."
04:35.59quiescenstorhal will fix everything ^^
04:36.02Xuerian"Well yeah, it's not usable, so I'm the only one testing it.."
04:36.20XuerianSounds super fun
04:36.28End... that...um...
04:37.15TorhalWell, despite the fact that I'm effectively no longer part of that team... I still have source code access and unless someone else has a better idea - I'll be translating the fucking URLs.
04:37.21EndI wonder how well different version control systems handle redirects...although I suppose only hg is working via http anyway
04:37.35TorhalEnd: New stack is https only.
04:37.47TorhalAnd we support webhooks via Bitbucket and GitHub.
04:37.58TorhalSo you don't even have to host with us anymore.
04:38.28Xuerianthe webhooks are nice
04:38.31Xuerianwhen they work :D
04:38.51TorhalXuerian: They always worked. I had bugs in the new packager. Apparently it's been awhile, for you.
04:39.01XuerianLet's just say wildstar didn't work out for me
04:39.06TorhalThough they have also not merged in my changed since September....
04:39.12Xuerianand I haven't played wow in 5 years barring a month at warlords launch <_<
04:39.17TorhalHeh.
04:41.33TorhalMy point is, I took more than a single bullet for this community during my tenure as a developer on that team. I'm now formally requesting some backup for when the machine spins back to life again.
04:41.47XuerianWe do appreciate it <_<
04:42.02TorhalDespite the fact that I'll no longer have an in-office persence, I don't plan on being quiet.
04:42.21TorhalThis is my company, and my community, and none of these bozos have a goddamn clue.
04:42.45quiescenso.o
04:42.47Xuerianmc torhal, dispensing the hard truths
04:42.48TorhalSure, they can write code well enough. But writing tools for what we do? Hell the fuck no.
04:44.11Semlaro my package teleported to florida
04:44.16XuerianWell I'm just glad everything's not going the firefall route
04:44.46TorhalXuerian: ?
04:45.01TorhalYou mean their forum-scraper?
04:45.07Xuerianwat
04:45.44TorhalThe "community-driven" (meaning one dude with half a clue) that scrapes the forums for addon updates.
04:46.03Torhals/that/tool that/
04:46.12Xuerianhm
04:46.43XuerianNo? The game, becoming more bug ridden and full of regressions over time, as compared to CF, which you're alleging will be bullwhipped back into better shape
04:47.17TorhalMavoc (no idea if he's even still affiliated with Red 5) was the developer who first contact me about supporting that game.
04:47.30Endwhere is my $10M curseforge bus
04:47.35TorhalHe previously hosted with us for his Runes of Magic addons.
04:47.39Semlarfirefall was the one that had addons that could literally make http requests outside the game right
04:47.57TorhalSemlar: Amog other things.
04:47.59nebulaseems legit
04:48.31Semlarthumps torhal
04:48.41Xuerianhue
04:49.47Xuerianwell, it would be used more if half the community didn't get stuck on a forum-thread-based updater, and that a moderate proportion of them are mods (replace default ui components directly since there's no way to stop them from loading..), which the curse updater doesn't support
04:49.59TorhalXuerian: We have top-tier devs on the team. The only limiting factor is none of the fuckers actually use the site. I was the only one who did, and I had to fight an uphill battle against prevailing opinion. I'm not giving up the fight, but I did give up the on-site presence.
04:50.49Xuerian"more" isn't very much though, shrug. Also yeah, is/was anyone on the new team also an author, or is it just still you?
04:51.20TorhalThere are benefits to working from home, one of which is the inability to restrain onself from physically harming another human being.
04:51.33TorhalAs in, I no longer have to.
04:51.43nebulabut but, free snacks!
04:51.56Torhalnebula: There is that. I'm WAY more hungry than I used to be.
04:52.04nebulanods
04:52.24Torhal"Sit here and do nothing, or get up and fry eggs? Sit. Always sit."
04:52.29nebulaalso, i saw google fiber is launching in bumfuck, AL where you guys are
04:52.34nebulalittle jealous about that
04:52.53Xuerian*somewhere near
04:53.18Torhalnebula: Huntsville. Where NASA and a bunch of other technically-minded firms are. I'm in Meridianville, though, which is 15 miles to the north."
04:53.30nebulayou fool
04:53.46TorhalNope. Fuck other people, in person.
04:53.51Torhal:D
04:54.04nebulathat is the preferable way to fuck someone
04:54.15TorhalABsolutely.
04:54.15XuerianFor a few more months anyway
04:54.20XuerianThen we get 3d peripherials
04:54.27TorhalUntil the kid arrives, Xuerian.
04:54.37TorhalThen you open-world the SHIT out of all that.
04:55.09XuerianI prefer my open world pixelated, and the young out for blood riding spiders or chickens
04:55.24TorhalXuerian: Overworld map FTW.
04:58.33XuerianShit's got pollution everywhere and the traffic patterns are terrible
05:00.27TorhalYou should raze and bulldoze then, Xuerian.
05:00.53Xuerianyeah but then they reset your score and tempban you
05:01.16Torhal:/
05:01.24TorhalHey Stanzilla - https://www.dropbox.com/s/bkp5nneemnoicsq/Screenshot%202016-02-25%2023.01.03.png?dl=0
05:02.11XuerianOh god, do they have you managing copyright disputes too?
05:02.25TorhalXuerian: I've been doing that for years.
05:02.34TorhalI've been a dev/CM for many years now.
05:02.46TorhalWhen they split the company, they gave me a choice.
05:03.02TorhalConsidering the politics of the dev side, I didn't hesitate.
05:03.20TorhalIt was only afterward that I found out choosing dev meant I had to move to California.
05:04.07XuerianThey moved all physical dev to cali? fun stuff
05:04.29TorhalAll of the dev tfor that dividion of the company, yes.
05:04.36Torhaldivision*
05:04.40TorhalYay typing!
05:04.57TorhalEveryone else stayed in Huntsville.
05:05.00XuerianSo what are the two sections now anyway? Curse formal and curseforge?
05:05.29TorhalCurse Media and Curse Voice (and CurseForge)
05:05.53TorhalMedia is the community sites like CutHead and MMO-Champion etc
05:06.03Torhals/CutHead/FutHead/
05:06.13EndI'm assuming the gamepedia stuff is part of curse media too?
05:06.18TorhalYup.
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05:08.49TorhalTechnically, I am part of the Curse Voice division. I just don't have to live in California or go to the office, because writing code is my secondary focus.
05:08.53TorhalWeird, that.
05:12.07quiescensmoo
05:15.13Torhalpresents cutlery for quiescens' barbecue.
05:15.39quiescens):
05:17.48TorhalI have an update, Stanzilla! https://www.dropbox.com/s/xibxorlre05uqdh/Screenshot%202016-02-25%2023.17.29.png?dl=0
05:18.06TorhalThis is teh amesomez!
05:18.19quiescens\o/
05:18.53Xuerianquasel web?
05:19.11TorhalXuerian: Textual.
06:07.33nebulaoh Stanzilla, i remember you asking me about luacheck at some point in the past two months, still have a question?
06:12.58Torhalnebula: Lua will write me a check?
06:13.11nebulaso many checks
06:13.24TorhalWhat about balances?
06:14.30nebulanot so much
06:14.37TorhalTypical.
06:17.56quiescenstwo months?
06:28.28Torhalquiescens: WAT
06:28.41quiescensmoo
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10:56.36GnarfozTorhal: so "when the machinery comes alive again", will we be able to actually try and use the site in place of the old one? or, like others said, just replace the damn thing and force everyone. that way there'll be feedback. :D
10:58.21TorhalGnarfoz: I could answer that if I weren't two thousand miles away from the core team that will be working on and deploying the new stuff.
10:58.44Gnarfozthen I guess your feedback wishes are still dependent on people you loathe
10:58.47Gnarfoz:D
10:59.08TorhalEh, no. The old team doesn't exist anymore.
10:59.14TorhalSave for one person.
10:59.25Megalonsave the girl
10:59.27Megalonsave the world!
10:59.33Gnarfozs/girl/cheerleader/
10:59.35TorhalCheerleader, you fucking fuck!
10:59.43Gnarfoz^5 Torhal
10:59.45Megaloni ain't no hollabackgirl
11:00.02TorhalYou're a hooker with a heart of gold, Megalon.
11:00.10Gnarfozno, he's secretly called Gwen
11:00.14Torhalmines Megalon.
11:00.16Gnarfoz(at night)
11:00.17Megalonawwww that's the sweetest thing anyone has ever told me
11:00.37Megalonmy hooker name is Gwen
11:00.39MegalonGwen Stefanny
11:00.52TorhalStephani.
11:00.54TorhalBut whatever.
11:01.26Megalonthe joke went right above your head :<
11:01.28GnarfozStefani, actually, I think? :P
11:01.45Megalonit's stefani if you mean the no doubt girl :P
11:01.54Megalonwhich stefanny was a play on of course
11:02.09TorhalThe fucks I give. They total zero. All I know for certain is Megalon's version was quite obviously wrong.
11:02.10Gnarfozunless your joke was about fanny packs, I don't get it
11:02.39Torhalpickles Megalon in quiescens's sink.
11:02.51Megalonfanny = vagina
11:02.54Megalonyou guys
11:03.10TorhalGoddamn Brits.
11:03.28Megalonindubitably
11:03.33GnarfozI say
11:03.38Gnarfozol' chap
11:03.42Semlarpip pip cheerio
11:03.43Torhalwonders why Megalon hasn't been referring to us as "cunts" or "twats" all these years.
11:03.50Gnarfozhe has
11:03.56Megalonbecause i'm australien
11:04.00Gnarfoz"those cunts on IRC"
11:04.01Megalonaustralian
11:04.03Megalonnot austrian
11:04.19Megaloni would never say such a thing about you lovely bunch of faggots
11:04.22Gnarfozaustri-alien
11:05.06TorhalYou're an Austronaut, Megalon? Why the fuck didn't you let us know, so we would be sure to not shower you with adulation?
11:05.18TorhalI feel defiled.
11:05.35TorhalDid you know this shit, Gnarfoz?
11:05.38Megalonthat's how i roll
11:05.42Megalonhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqexM56IAAAumB2.jpg
11:05.43TorhalBastard.
11:05.59Megalonthat's what my parents used to call me
11:06.05Megalonmaking me feel right at home, <3 Torhal
11:06.19Semlari have a pandora station dedicated to australian hiphop
11:06.34Megalondo they rap about fucking sheep?
11:06.42Megalonor was that the nz one
11:06.49TorhalYou should make a new one, Semlar, dedicated to fuck buddies, to make Megalon feel more welcome.
11:06.51Semlari don't know i can't understand what they're saying
11:07.10Megalonhow much text is left after you remove every occurence of cunt?
11:07.29TorhalNegative 420, Megalon. No blazing allowed.
11:07.47Megalonwaaaaaat
11:08.06Megalonbut my gf always tells me that i'm blazing fast
11:08.19Semlar<PROTECTED>
11:08.20TorhalTMI.
11:09.00MegalonI only listen to one kind of rap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za7dAJtYXwo
11:09.23Semlarno megalon
11:09.32Megalonhigh on the hilltops, Semlar
11:10.04Megalondo you hear the lonely goatherd?
11:12.33Fiskerhttps://media.giphy.com/media/7ZlDU4wYAo7kc/giphy.gif
11:13.33Semlardid they build a robot just to kick it around
11:13.37nevcairielStanzilla: the lite version is probably not powerful enough for all sorts of discs, but the full version exist for that purpose, but as far as i know thats the only full alternative
11:14.45Gnarfozhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NL2lEomB_Y .... first: catchy names, then: logos. today: fucking promo videos for security bugs >_>
11:15.00nevcairieli saw that the other day
11:15.25nevcairielspeaking of security bugs, are you excited for next week Gnarfoz
11:16.12Semlarwho uses bluetooth for anything
11:16.38nevcairielthose are non-bluetooth dongles
11:17.47Semlarhow did he hack this computer from the other side of the building
11:18.28Semlarmy god damn wireless mouse barely works on the fucking desk
11:23.12nevcairieli even have one of those logitech unifiying receivers, but just updated the firmware on it =p
11:23.35Semlarwait do they have dongles that use actual wifi?
11:23.51Semlaris that what they're connecting to
11:24.17nevcairieldepending on how the receivers work, they could just have a much more powerful sender in their device which reaches that far
11:24.34nevcairieland unifiying uses 2.4ghz wireless
11:25.06Gnarfoznevcairiel: what's next week?
11:25.13nevcairielopenssl update
11:25.16Fisker:O nevcairiel
11:25.22FiskerHaven't seen any of those you can actually update
11:25.32Gnarfozdon't really care, that's just two and a half systems for me
11:25.51nevcairielFisker: http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Mice-and-Pointing-Devices/Logitech-Response-to-Unifying-Receiver-Research-Findings/td-p/1493878
11:25.56nevcairielonly for logitech unifiying thingy
11:26.17Semlarunless you don't need 2 way communication to pair with these devices, you can't just pump more power into the antenna to access it from farther away
11:26.27FiskerAh so it's not the one that usually follow with mice nevcairiel ?
11:26.52nevcairielsome mice come with the unifying receiver, some have their own
11:27.28nevcairieli have this one for couch usage http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/performance-mouse-mx?crid=7 .. it comes iwth a unifying
11:27.49nevcairieland some random keyboard that also works with the same dongle
11:29.13znfI think my G700 is dying :-S
11:29.27Megalonwhat did you do to it
11:29.39znfit's almost 4 years old
11:29.42znfI think
11:37.17GnarfozFnatic (the esports team) bought Func (the peripherals maker) - I hate them. How am I supposed to get a new acceptable mouse now?
11:37.34nevcairieli hadnt even heard of func
11:37.42nevcairieli use logitech mice since forever
11:38.12GnarfozI even had a func surface mouse pad something like a decade ago
11:38.27Gnarfozalso I hate Samsung for being assholes about the Snapdragon 820 version of the S7
11:38.47Gnarfozit exists, but they only use it for those insane US carriers that use CDMA
11:38.56nevcairielassholes as in they dont do what you want?
11:38.57nevcairiel=p
11:39.22Gnarfozthe arbitrarily limiting availability of something they want to sell kind of assholes
11:39.45nevcairielif its a CDMA model, then they would probably have to make a different one for GSM
11:39.48nevcairielso its not like it just exists
11:39.53FiskerI replaced my G700 with the g502 or whatever it is znf
11:40.10nevcairieli have a g502 proteus thingy too
11:40.12Gnarfozyes their own chip is also great (particularly multi-core, since it's 8-core), but they don't offer docs/drivers for their stuff, so basically they're a dead end w/r/t custom roms
11:40.43Fiskerlame
11:40.49FiskerBut Samsung sucks anyway
11:41.07Gnarfozthey suck because of stuff like this :D
11:41.33Gnarfozand all those chinaphones (many of which you can't even buy here) don't support all LTE frequencies in use in Germany, so, meh
11:41.35nevcairielthey suck because they dont want to produce a bunch of extra models for no apparent gain on their end? =P
11:41.44Gnarfozthey already do, for those CDMA carriers
11:41.47Gnarfoz:P
11:42.01Gnarfozthey produce 1 variant for each of them! :D
11:42.09Gnarfozdon't tell me that sounds economical to you :D
11:42.13nevcairiellike i said, those are CDMA variants, producing a snapdragon GSM would add a third variant
11:42.21FiskerThey should just use the SD820 on the GSM models
11:42.25Gnarfoz^
11:43.02nevcairielthat probably costs them more, and their SoC isnt worse, may even be better, soo..
11:43.03nevcairiel:D
11:45.07FiskerI hope Sony gets to make the next Nexus though
11:46.09nevcairieldidnt they want to stop making nexuses
11:46.38FiskerThat was debunken
11:46.41Fiskerdebunked
11:46.50nevcairieland last years sucked anyway
11:47.09Fiskernah
11:47.20nevcairieltoo expensive and or too crappy
11:47.23FiskerWell yeah
11:47.28FiskerThat's why I got it in the US
11:47.29Fisker:D
11:47.47nevcairieland lack the LTE support for europe? no thanks =p
11:47.55FiskerLTE works fine
11:48.05FiskerOnly one band missing which there are few that uses
11:50.37FiskerBut yeah the pricing was bullshit
11:54.41FiskerThe best part was how their Pixel release like a month after completely contradicted that pricing model
11:56.56FiskerSony Nexus would be neat though
11:57.06FiskerBut a Google Pixel phone wouldn't be bad either
11:57.21Fiskerespecially if they actually get into the SoC business
11:57.44FiskerI'm pretty sure that even though they denied the rumor there's some sort of truth to it
12:12.20Gnarfozall 3 carriers in Germany use LTE band 20, so it's a deal-breaker
12:17.05Kalroththey use band 7 as well
12:17.33GnarfozI didn't mean to imply they use ONLY band 20
12:17.53Gnarfozclearly, they use everything they can get their hands on ^^
12:18.02Kalrothband 7 is more common, at least here in denmark
12:18.42Kalrothalso band 7 is a global LTE band, so it'll support roaming
12:19.04Kalrothglobal roaming* :)
12:19.08FiskerYeah Band 20 is barely used as I recall
12:19.10Fiskeronly TDC does
12:19.15FiskerOthers are starting to as well though
12:19.56Gnarfozshould just make a phone that supports all possible frequencies. :D
12:20.04Gnarfozif it needs 7 antennas, so be it!
12:21.02Kalrothwe need multiple external antennas on our phones, like on routers
12:21.25GnarfozLG G5 battery swap style
12:21.39Kalrothhttps://www.cool3c.com/files/imagecache/meta_fb/icext/db6fcb9caf43294481cdd9da61f7f5b2.png make a phone like this
12:21.42nevcairielswap antennas based on region? =p
12:21.44Gnarfozbuy region specific battery+antenna combo
12:21.55Gnarfozwhy not :| they're always pluggable anyway
12:22.08Kalrothwe're making eSIM, why not eAntenna!
12:22.13Kalrothsoftware mode antennas
12:22.31Kalroththen you could download more antennas as needed
12:22.44Gnarfozquasselweb gets seriously slow after a while :|
12:22.45nevcairielsoftware defined modems is actually thing
12:22.55nevcairiel+a
12:23.07Gnarfozswitching channels takes longer and longer :D
12:23.23Kalrothsheesh, use a native app, Gnarfoz
12:23.34Kalroththat html nonsense is never going to catch on
12:25.51FiskerSuperhot isn't hot enough
12:27.42GnarfozKalroth: inb4 local app is just a chromeless webkit window
12:27.48Kalrothhaha
12:28.01Kalrothreal men use telnet as an irc client
12:28.23Gnarfoznobody is surprised that where there's data, spy agencies and politicians want to abuse it http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=a833615a >_>
12:29.17nevcairielits all for our safety
12:30.14FiskerWhy not just stop shitting on people?
12:30.25XuerianModern intelligence agencies owe a lot to whoever pushed the "Metadata" term wrt ingel
12:30.32Xuerianingel.
12:30.36Kalrothhow do we otherwise elevate our own status, Fisker?!
12:30.37Xuerianyeah whatever, I'm going with it
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12:51.30Stanzillanebula: yeah the installer does not work for me, somehow, do you remember how that works?
12:51.51StanzillaTorhal: haha
13:00.13Stanzillanevcairiel: will you buy it then? or just stay with anydvd as long as it works?
13:03.01Fiskerrip the sideloads though Stanzilla
13:05.09Stanzillaok
13:06.18FiskerWell Apple will likely disable updates to be applied without user consent, so Google will probably follow suit too
13:06.54Stanzillashould just do what koush suggested, did you read that?
13:07.15FiskerYeah
13:07.22FiskerThat's exactly what he suggested
13:07.38Stanzillanah
13:07.39FiskerUnless I'm missing something
13:07.59Stanzillahe said that sideloads should require the unlock mechanism to be trigered before they go
13:08.05Stanzillaas in, the gesture, pin whatever you have
13:08.26Stanzilla"The fix here is to ONLY preserve user data between updates if the user agreed to the update. Android's recovery will need to be passed the pin/pass to verify that it was a user initiated update, otherwise all updates wipe userspace."
13:10.43FiskerSeems inadequate to me
13:11.16FiskerI mean it would solve it, but the better fix designwise would be to disable only allow them from user space
13:12.00Fiskeror wait
13:12.10FiskerThat wouldn't work with a proper encrypted device I guess
13:13.21Fiskermaybe some kind of cross-signing updates with the devices key or something
13:14.15FiskerI just think that Google wouldn't go implement some kind of authorization in the recovery itself
13:14.41nevcairielStanzilla: as soon as i need it
13:14.58Fiskerwhat do people use anydvd and clonedvd for anyway?
13:15.44nevcairielreading blurays in a PC
13:16.28FiskerEither way
13:16.38FiskerI want to be able to get updates when they're available
13:17.45Fiskerthat's some mayor scopecreep nevcairiel
13:17.56Fiskermajor*
13:28.26Funkeh`no Fisker, anydvd is actually the mayor :O
13:29.18nevcairielFisker: its actually called anydvd HD these days
13:29.41FiskerI see
13:29.48FiskerSo for hddvd?
13:29.51Fisker( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
13:30.29nevcairielwell that too
13:30.34nevcairielboth hddvd and bd :p
13:32.43znfthinks that whoever decided to use powerdns didn't think this trough
13:34.39FiskerIt's weekend though nevcairiel
13:34.54nevcairielnot quite yet
13:36.13FiskerWell I've been sick all week almost
13:36.14Fiskerso is here
13:36.15Fisker:D
13:36.27StanzillaI've been sick for years, what do I say?
13:36.56FiskerWell the last couple of days have been so bad I could barely sit at the computer
13:37.03Fiskercan today \o/
13:38.01Stanzillawhat sickness do you have
13:38.21FiskerJust flu
13:38.32Fiskeralso Stanzilla that HP Elite X3 or whatever nonsense it was called
13:38.44Stanzillathe windows phone thing?
13:39.01Fiskeryeah
13:39.05FiskerLooked pretty neat
13:39.33nevcairielexcept its windows phone
13:39.38FiskerExactly
13:40.42Stanzillacontinuum is a neat concept if it wasnt for the shit software
13:41.39FiskerThe Chrome/Android merging rumors might bring something similar though
13:41.43Stanzillaye
13:41.51FiskerWould be neat if we could do the same over USB-C 3.1
13:41.58Fiskernext nexus best nexus
13:42.25Stanzillawireless charging and I'm in
13:43.29FiskerWith USB-C i'm happy enough without it
13:43.46Fiskernot to mention the battery improvements
13:43.54FiskerDon't even charge my phone at work anymore
13:44.50nevcairielwireless is a must for me, i love just putting it on its charging pad and never bother with cables
13:44.57Stanzilla^
13:45.09Stanzillamy n5 is empty from just laying on the desk (without charging) for a day btw
13:45.20Stanzilla(sometimes)
13:45.47FiskerI love it too
13:46.08FiskerJust isn't the feature it used to be for me because I can just have my phone out all day and then charge it while driving home or whatever
13:46.20FiskerI mostly liked wireless charging because it was pretty portable
13:46.26Fiskerbut not charging is pretty portable too :P
13:50.08znfI liked wireless charging because I could just put the phone on the charger in the battery
13:50.37znfon the*
13:51.58Stanzillatry again maybe
13:52.01Stanzilladid you want to say car or so?
13:52.43FiskerMy surface still won't get insider preview
13:53.50Stanzillapowered by bugfestdows 10
13:54.20Fiskerwow ok
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14:23.49znfStanzilla, I have a QI battery/charger
14:24.24TorhalI heard Fisker's Surface is powered by thermonuclear warfare, Stanzilla.
14:29.28Gnarfozglobal thermonuclear war?
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14:31.28Gnarfozhttps://twitter.com/Saturn_Flight/status/698661752666484736
14:32.20nevcairielGnarfoz: always carry some silly putty!
14:45.45Gnarfozneat, there's one of these (out of 200) in our parking garage today https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_1-litre_car
14:56.33Fiskerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh2y5QWra2w<-why even have a replay feature with this quality
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18:24.11nebulaStanzilla: luarocks install luacheck? >.>
18:28.01Megalonluarocks luachecks your luainstall to luaconfirm everything is luafine
18:34.47Stanzillanebula: without luarocks
18:35.01nebulayea, i don't install things manually
18:35.23Stanzillakk
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19:37.44Stanzillanebula: http://i.imgur.com/O8ocxN7.png ?_?
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20:24.47Stanzillafucking luarocks installer does not set path values :E
20:40.42FiskerYou got a brand new path editor
20:40.43FiskerGo use it
20:41.21Stanzillanot on win10
20:41.59Semlar<PROTECTED>
20:46.32Semlarsure, let's just ship it back to india then
20:48.03FiskerClassic Floridaman Semlar
20:48.17Semlar:(
20:48.49Semlarthis tracker is lying though, they delivered it
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21:34.24Stanzillanevcairiel: if it says "cl" cant be found, which part of VS is missing from the path?
21:37.15nevcairielStanzilla: everything
21:37.29nevcairielthere is only one thing to do to add VS to the path, execute the batch file that does that =p
21:37.47StanzillaI did that though :E
21:43.57Stanzillavcversall.bat x64
21:44.12Stanzillaerr 86
21:44.41znfStanzilla, I like Nikki Glaser
21:46.56StanzillaI dont know who that is
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23:23.16nebulaStanzilla: edit luarocks.bat and add CALL "C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio 14.0\Common7\Tools\VsDevCmd.bat" somewhere before it runs luarocks.lua
23:23.35nebulaor whatever vs thing you have
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23:45.50Stanzillasrc/lfs.c(46): fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'windows.h': No such file or directory
23:45.52Stanzillawat.
23:46.09Stanzillamaybe my VC install is fooked
23:59.44nebulamaybe, i don't have anything special installed, just c++ stuff

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