| 00:05.31 | Gnarfoz | grrr https://mediacru.sh/_VZA9GjCgW3L |
| 00:18.43 | Gnarfoz | better https://mediacru.sh/b4b3fmsBbgqT ^^ |
| 00:19.46 | Gnarfoz | nice, shoulders that drop from Mar'gok :D |
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| 01:19.48 | Repo | garrisonjukebox: 03azmaedus * r33 (4 files in 1 directory): pre 0.5.1b |
| 01:21.23 | Repo | garrisonjukebox: 03azmaedus * r34 GarrisonJukeBox.lua: change log update |
| 01:22.10 | Repo | garrisonjukebox: 03azmaedus 04v0.5.1b * r35 : |
| 01:22.10 | Repo | Fixed missing localization when playing a file in the audio tab |
| 01:22.11 | Repo | Added created date in about tab |
| 01:22.11 | Repo | Added most of the remaining classic wow music |
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| 02:40.36 | Stanzilla | Kemayo: your addon is trolling me :( http://i.imgur.com/shvT7UC.png |
| 02:40.52 | Stanzilla | same on some more enchants |
| 02:41.18 | Kemayo | Hm, I suppose I haven't actually tested it on an enchanter yet. |
| 02:41.22 | Kemayo | I'll do that. |
| 02:42.01 | Stanzilla | thanks :) |
| 02:43.12 | Stanzilla | probably trippign over "Formula:" |
| 02:43.15 | Stanzilla | or s |
| 02:43.16 | Stanzilla | o |
| 02:48.29 | Repo | pass-loot: 03nebula169 * r148 Modules/GuildGroup.lua: |
| 02:48.30 | Repo | GuildGroup: always count yourself if in a guild and match 0% if not |
| 02:53.15 | Repo | garrisonjukebox: 03azmaedus 04v0.5.2b * r38 : retry |
| 02:54.21 | Repo | garrisonjukebox: 03azmaedus 04v0.5.2b * r39 : retry 1 |
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| 18:21.52 | *** topic/#wowace is http://wowace.com/ | 6.0.x ToC: 60000 | http://wowace.com/paste/ | http://lua.org | This channel is logged, via purl | Happy New Year! |
| 18:25.04 | Fisker | lol pompy |
| 18:25.26 | Fisker | I'm sad if apple watch replaces the rest |
| 18:30.05 | Gnarfoz | Google has way better waiting music (?) than 1&1 does |
| 18:30.44 | Gnarfoz | on hold music |
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| 18:37.50 | Stanzilla | never ever going to wear a watch .< |
| 18:39.34 | Gnarfoz | dumb question, but |
| 18:39.44 | Gnarfoz | where the hell do I subscribe to gmusic all access |
| 18:42.14 | Gnarfoz | I guess I can't, until it actually expires? mh |
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| 18:44.52 | Gnarfoz | if this jeopardizes my playlists, I'm going to be madder than Fisker ever was |
| 18:45.04 | Fisker | I was never mad |
| 18:45.05 | Gnarfoz | sb: make a copy plx :D (can you even? I don't remember) |
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| 19:31.30 | Stanzilla | hey Fisker |
| 19:33.05 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 19:33.36 | Stanzilla | Fisker: have you decided the faith of your n5 ye |
| 19:33.36 | Stanzilla | t |
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| 19:46.53 | Stanzilla | hey elvador |
| 19:47.00 | Stanzilla | I heard a boss died just know |
| 19:47.44 | elvador | [20:42:56] Ending Transcript: [2015-01-02]@[20:27:50] - 994/1228/Highmaul/Highmaul/Throne of the Imperator@Mythic (r222) (6.0.3.19342) |
| 19:47.48 | elvador | :) |
| 19:59.20 | Repo | battlegroundtargets: 03kunda * r219 (2 files in 1 directory): update |
| 20:12.02 | Repo | battlegroundtargets: 03kunda 0460000-1 * r220 : Tagging as 60000-1 |
| 20:13.03 | Gnarfoz | lol, qualys is now limiting me to "B" because somewhere in my allowed cipher suites there's RC4 :( |
| 20:13.07 | Gnarfoz | sb :( |
| 20:13.30 | Gnarfoz | (not sure who else talked about this a while ago... nevcairiel maybe? he talks about everything anyway! :D) |
| 20:13.37 | nevcairiel | ! |
| 20:13.42 | nevcairiel | did they change that? |
| 20:13.47 | nevcairiel | i have RC4 still too |
| 20:13.55 | Gnarfoz | must have |
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| 20:21.12 | Stanzilla | http://i.imgur.com/HOblhqL.png |
| 20:21.13 | Stanzilla | ! |
| 20:23.24 | Gnarfoz | not worst! |
| 20:23.46 | nevcairiel | we killed two more HC bosses today, finally getting somewhere :p |
| 20:24.13 | Stanzilla | gz, which ones? |
| 20:24.32 | nevcairiel | only koragh and imperator missing, now trying koragh |
| 20:24.36 | Gnarfoz | Kargath and Twin Ogron ;P |
| 20:24.52 | Gnarfoz | no? ok. ;) |
| 20:25.11 | Gnarfoz | blergh, my guild website cert is from the middle of the year |
| 20:25.14 | Gnarfoz | can't renew it now |
| 20:25.29 | Gnarfoz | (not without paying, anyway) |
| 20:25.43 | nevcairiel | yeah thats the annoying part about startssl |
| 20:25.58 | nevcairiel | mine are also quite recent |
| 20:26.25 | Gnarfoz | it's the tradeoff we all knew before getting into it ^^ |
| 20:26.46 | nevcairiel | yeah, when do you really expect to need canceling a cert on our usecases...^^ |
| 20:26.52 | Gnarfoz | https://shaaaaaaaaaaaaa.com/check/hddf.eu mentions a trick, though |
| 20:27.21 | pompy | blizzard gettin hit again? |
| 20:27.30 | Gnarfoz | haha, nice trick |
| 20:27.44 | Gnarfoz | just request a cert with a subdomain that's not already part of the cert |
| 20:28.15 | Gnarfoz | (or a different domain entirely, it's not like you can't have *.abc.de and sha2.foo.org in the same cert) |
| 20:28.52 | pompy | Torhal: curse client no installing addons! halp |
| 20:29.01 | nevcairiel | wonder if that works if i already have a * cert |
| 20:29.13 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that's what I'm going to find out in a minute, when the page loads again |
| 20:29.20 | nevcairiel | not that I really care to try |
| 20:29.27 | nevcairiel | my webste is used by me and me alone |
| 20:29.27 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 20:29.35 | nevcairiel | over ssl anyway |
| 20:29.44 | Gnarfoz | is operating servers allowed on the sabbath anyway |
| 20:29.49 | pompy | Torhal: nevermind, noob mistake |
| 20:30.58 | Gnarfoz | hmmm |
| 20:31.05 | Gnarfoz | A certificate with domain *.hddf.eu already exists at Class 2 level. |
| 20:31.18 | Gnarfoz | I guess I can't, has to be a different subdomain, not an additional one |
| 20:31.42 | nevcairiel | he said the main has to be a new one, but you can add others additionally |
| 20:31.57 | nevcairiel | ie create for sha2.hddf.eu and add the others in the next step |
| 20:32.05 | nevcairiel | but they may as well have fixed that. :p |
| 20:32.17 | Gnarfoz | it's not possible to pick the CN |
| 20:32.30 | Gnarfoz | it's always the 1st level domain |
| 20:33.41 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 20:33.45 | Gnarfoz | I switched the order, now it worked |
| 20:34.02 | Gnarfoz | bit of asinine to have hddf.eu, www.hddf.eu and *.hddf.eu in the same cert |
| 20:34.10 | Gnarfoz | but whatever! unified cert renewal cycles! |
| 20:34.41 | Gnarfoz | oh, right, it's the other way aruond |
| 20:35.08 | Gnarfoz | the CN is set to the first subdomain you add, and you always get the 1st level domain additionally |
| 20:35.11 | wink | what kind of stupid domain name is shaaa... com? |
| 20:35.17 | wink | why 13 as? |
| 20:35.18 | Gnarfoz | khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan |
| 20:35.33 | wink | is 13 the canonical number? afaik, no |
| 20:35.37 | Gnarfoz | clearly, you are not a Star Wars fan |
| 20:35.42 | wink | yeah. |
| 20:35.45 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 20:35.55 | nevcairiel | star wars, really? |
| 20:36.03 | nevcairiel | ~lart Gnarfoz |
| 20:36.03 | purl | says "boot to the head" and knocks Gnarfoz over |
| 20:36.05 | Gnarfoz | that's how you ask that question! |
| 20:36.13 | Gnarfoz | booterang :( |
| 20:36.23 | Gnarfoz | ok, that's a bit annoying, I'd prefer the wildcard CN |
| 20:36.30 | Gnarfoz | I can wait until May. ;p |
| 20:36.38 | nevcairiel | OCD much? :d |
| 20:37.26 | Gnarfoz | I get to pick between "nice + regular looking cert CN/SAN" and "certs expire on the same day" |
| 20:37.41 | Gnarfoz | also, there might be some crap device in my future that doesn't do SNI |
| 20:38.00 | Gnarfoz | maybe there's already one in my present and I just don't know, yet! :D |
| 20:38.36 | Gnarfoz | I guess I could combine the certs for both of my domains into one, like sb has |
| 20:39.23 | Gnarfoz | at least we know how to do it now ;P |
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| 21:05.29 | Gnarfoz | Vodka+Waldmeister ;o |
| 21:07.52 | Gnarfoz | I like how that doesn't have a common English translation since it isn't native to America |
| 21:08.19 | nevcairiel | woodruff is a fun word |
| 21:08.37 | Gnarfoz | Guybrush Threepwood! |
| 21:08.49 | Megalon | you mother is a cow! |
| 21:09.06 | Gnarfoz | ha, or even closer: Woodruff and the Schnibble of Azimuth |
| 21:09.21 | Gnarfoz | that's always been one of my favourite game titles |
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| 21:18.27 | Gnarfoz | finally, the cert doesn't claim to be issued to someone in Baden-Baden, Niedersachsen anymore |
| 21:18.27 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:18.35 | Gnarfoz | (this one, at least) |
| 21:32.12 | Gnarfoz | WCL guy should hop on the startssl train and get a cert for the wcl client |
| 21:32.35 | Gnarfoz | didn't he recently switch the site to be https all the time? |
| 21:32.48 | Gnarfoz | yeah he did |
| 21:33.03 | Gnarfoz | and threw money at GoDaddy of all CAs |
| 21:33.49 | Gnarfoz | could have thrown 60$ at the other guys and gotten code-signing as well! :D |
| 21:34.21 | Megalon | so my dk twink just got his 3 reroll-follower mission |
| 21:34.35 | Megalon | while my main just got the 3rd hearthstone pro |
| 21:34.52 | Megalon | rngesus y u hate me |
| 21:34.59 | Gnarfoz | you're not praying hard enough |
| 21:35.03 | Gnarfoz | PRAIIIIISE RNGSUS |
| 21:35.38 | nevcairiel | speaking of code signing, my cert expired |
| 21:35.41 | nevcairiel | gets a new one |
| 21:35.47 | Gnarfoz | ! :D |
| 21:37.11 | nevcairiel | hm, now i need to create a CSR |
| 21:37.13 | nevcairiel | i r lazy |
| 21:37.20 | nevcairiel | know a windows tool for that? :d |
| 21:37.36 | Gnarfoz | did I mention earlier, that it took me less time from start to finish to get verified for startssl today, than to talk to an actual person at 1&1's hotline? |
| 21:37.46 | nevcairiel | did they call you? |
| 21:37.49 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 21:38.00 | nevcairiel | I was on the subway when they did it, but i managed :D |
| 21:38.18 | Gnarfoz | they called me WHILE I was eating and listening to the 1&1 hold music |
| 21:38.25 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:38.57 | Gnarfoz | I wish I could say that I returned to the 1&1 call afterwards, but it was gone |
| 21:39.09 | Gnarfoz | perhaps someone finally picked up while THEY were on hold |
| 21:39.09 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:39.24 | Gnarfoz | or they have some kind of detection for that and terminate the call |
| 21:39.28 | Gnarfoz | (not sure if that's possible) |
| 21:40.45 | Megalon | puts *foz's life on hold |
| 21:40.58 | Gnarfoz | I'm doing that just fine on my own, tyvm |
| 21:41.16 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: Windows appears to require a "enrollment policy server" for that :( |
| 21:41.25 | Gnarfoz | Fisker would know, he had to deal with this kind of shit |
| 21:42.14 | Gnarfoz | pfff Frederic Jacobs using Edward Snowden for advertising purposes :P https://twitter.com/FredericJacobs/status/551129535849463808 |
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| 21:49.48 | Fisker | about what Gnarfoz ? |
| 21:50.08 | Gnarfoz | can consumer Windows versions somehow create a x509 cert request |
| 21:50.15 | Gnarfoz | without being in an AD |
| 21:51.16 | Gnarfoz | (well I guess that enrollment policy server thing doesn't necessarily need to be part of an AD? maybe. I guess the answer is "no" or at least "not without jumping through hoops") |
| 21:52.27 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: re: code-signing: time-stamping is optional, right? |
| 21:52.38 | nevcairiel | no |
| 21:52.42 | Gnarfoz | it only makes the stuff look valid even after the cert expires? |
| 21:53.01 | nevcairiel | it would be rather stupid if old s oftware is suddenly using an invalid certificate |
| 21:53.14 | Gnarfoz | well, but it's technically not necessary? |
| 21:53.46 | nevcairiel | never seen a tool that didnt do it automatically |
| 21:54.02 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 21:54.13 | Gnarfoz | is your code-signing cert also from startssl? |
| 21:54.26 | nevcairiel | the old one was from comodo i think, my new one is now |
| 21:54.34 | nevcairiel | well once they manually approve it anyway |
| 21:54.45 | Gnarfoz | http://www.startssl.com/?app=40 says you'd need EV (which you can't get as a person) for time-stamping |
| 21:55.58 | nevcairiel | shrug, i'll see |
| 21:57.06 | Fisker | Yeah you should be able to Gnarfoz |
| 21:57.16 | Gnarfoz | how? |
| 21:57.29 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: from all i can see it should work anyway, maybe thats another feature i dont know wtf it is |
| 21:57.30 | Gnarfoz | the only thing I found is the "new certificate request" action in certmgr |
| 21:57.42 | Gnarfoz | which requires me to specify that "enrollment policy server" |
| 21:57.57 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: :D if you try some time, let me know if it works |
| 21:58.09 | nevcairiel | i'll try once they send me my cert |
| 21:58.09 | Fisker | yeah you don't use that |
| 21:58.13 | Fisker | maybe certutil |
| 21:58.15 | Fisker | or certreg |
| 21:58.17 | Gnarfoz | http://www.startssl.com/?app=25#61 says what the time stamping server is |
| 21:58.58 | Stanzilla | \o/ Kesava \o/ |
| 21:59.07 | Gnarfoz | holy crap certutil has many options |
| 21:59.20 | Kesava | huh whu |
| 22:01.20 | Stanzilla | did you disable alpha zips |
| 22:01.29 | Stanzilla | or is curse fooked up again |
| 22:01.39 | Kesava | oh i've never had alpha zips on |
| 22:01.43 | Kesava | you'll have to get it from github |
| 22:01.54 | Stanzilla | np, just wondering if I have to kick Torhal again |
| 22:02.23 | Gnarfoz | http://technet.microsoft.com/library/cc725793.aspx you'd have to put together an .inf file |
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| 22:03.14 | nevcairiel | microsoft tools are always so complicated :d |
| 22:03.33 | Fisker | oh yes Gnarfoz |
| 22:03.43 | Fisker | I was about to download my documentation and read if I could find the specifics :P |
| 22:03.54 | Fisker | because the CA shouldn't be on the domain |
| 22:03.57 | Gnarfoz | perhaps there's a powershell cmdlet |
| 22:04.02 | Gnarfoz | that does this neatly ;p |
| 22:04.07 | Fisker | I don't believe there is |
| 22:04.35 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: can you still open the startssl control panel? its somehow not responding for me |
| 22:04.35 | Gnarfoz | 23:04, neighbour engine starts |
| 22:04.51 | Fisker | the quick google result I just saw was making the inf file and passing it to certreq |
| 22:05.02 | Gnarfoz | I'm going to check wtf is going on over there tonight |
| 22:05.08 | Gnarfoz | if I don't return... :D |
| 22:07.21 | Fisker | certificates is my favorite thing |
| 22:08.38 | Fisker | I still think it was funny how they screwed up at my work :3 |
| 22:11.45 | nevcairiel | i wonder if they'll bitch at me for requesting two code signing certs, one with sha1 and one with sha256 |
| 22:18.28 | Gnarfoz | mhhh |
| 22:18.31 | Gnarfoz | it IS a car |
| 22:18.57 | Gnarfoz | station wagon, back loaded to the top with random crap, expired short-term licence plate (doesn't matter on private property) |
| 22:19.16 | nevcairiel | you have the weirdest neighbors |
| 22:19.20 | Gnarfoz | and either they've rigged it to be remote-controlled or someone was in there, but was perhaps to afraid to get out and face they guy with the bright light |
| 22:19.47 | nevcairiel | why would someone rig a remote control f or the car starter |
| 22:19.51 | nevcairiel | thats just crazy |
| 22:19.53 | Gnarfoz | (because at first, lights were off, then they turned on lights to whatever the not-full setting is) |
| 22:20.03 | Gnarfoz | and a bit later even revved the engine a tiny bit |
| 22:20.19 | Gnarfoz | and it stopped between me leaving to go back inside and actually arriving inside |
| 22:20.32 | nevcairiel | weirdos |
| 22:20.33 | Gnarfoz | so I didn't get a chance to shout across the hedge when it stopped |
| 22:20.45 | Gnarfoz | guess I'll ring their doorbell tomorrow during the day |
| 22:20.52 | Gnarfoz | because I tried right now and nobody answered |
| 22:21.04 | Gnarfoz | which... means the only person there went outside and sat in a car for 20 minutes? |
| 22:21.04 | nevcairiel | because you're curious or because you want it to stop? :d |
| 22:21.10 | Gnarfoz | both :D |
| 22:21.22 | Gnarfoz | more the latter, but it's also a bit on the wtf side |
| 22:21.36 | Gnarfoz | I can easily hear it through my closed windows when I'm not listening to music |
| 22:23.07 | Gnarfoz | not to mention whoever they are, they live in the ground-floor/souterrain of a house (probably belonging to) an old woman suffering from dementia |
| 22:23.50 | nevcairiel | it sounds like they may also not have all screws quite right |
| 22:24.04 | Gnarfoz | which was something I assumed for a long time, until I got to help her caretaker put her back into her wheelchair when she fell down recently |
| 22:24.22 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I'm not discounting any options, yet :D |
| 22:24.51 | Gnarfoz | see, I *should* have brought my soft air gun from Hannover ;p |
| 22:25.58 | Gnarfoz | (or just the Nerf from the office. the soft air gun hurts quite a bit at up to 5 m, even with plastic bb pellets) |
| 22:28.08 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: what do you mean, the CA shouldn't be on the AD, btw? shouldn't be a role on the DC, or not part of the domain at all? (if so, why?) |
| 22:28.34 | Fisker | the root shouldn't be networked at all for security reasons |
| 22:28.41 | Gnarfoz | oh, the root |
| 22:28.51 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I get that |
| 22:29.21 | Gnarfoz | just do what everyone does, issue an intermediate CA and that one issues certs, I guess? |
| 22:29.29 | Fisker | yes |
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| 22:47.00 | nevcairiel | hmm, apparently windows xp cannot verify a sha1 signed executable |
| 22:47.06 | nevcairiel | wonder if i should just say s crew them :p |
| 22:48.17 | nevcairiel | also, did you know that Microsoft will stop accepting sha1 certs in one year time already? |
| 22:50.59 | nevcairiel | (also that was meant to say cannot verify sha2 of course) |
| 22:51.31 | Gnarfoz | win xp doesn't do sha2, yeah |
| 22:51.48 | Gnarfoz | and anything that uses schannel there also doesn't do SNI |
| 22:51.58 | nevcairiel | it was added in sp3 to some limited degree apparently, which allows using it for executables |
| 22:52.02 | nevcairiel | but not for drivers |
| 22:52.15 | Gnarfoz | you can't sign drivers with the class 2 cert anyway |
| 22:52.20 | Gnarfoz | well, "kernel mode drivers" |
| 22:52.24 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 22:52.24 | Gnarfoz | (is that the same thing?) |
| 22:52.28 | nevcairiel | just saying |
| 22:52.38 | Gnarfoz | and... do you have your cert now? |
| 22:52.53 | Gnarfoz | what does the "uses" thing say? |
| 22:52.54 | nevcairiel | nah they are being slow |
| 22:53.02 | Gnarfoz | hey, it's sabbath ;p |
| 22:53.10 | nevcairiel | and the website has gone in maintenance mode |
| 22:53.13 | Gnarfoz | (I have no idea how their company is structured) |
| 22:53.15 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I saw that |
| 22:54.06 | Stanzilla | Kesava: how hard would it be to tell the race of a player on the nameplate? |
| 22:54.20 | nevcairiel | i'll probably just pass out soon and hopefully have my two certs in the morning, unless the complain again |
| 22:54.25 | nevcairiel | they like complaining to my requests |
| 22:54.28 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 22:54.34 | Gnarfoz | they're doing their fucking job |
| 22:54.40 | Gnarfoz | in contrast to other CAs |
| 22:54.40 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 22:55.28 | nevcairiel | i co-own a domain with a friend, and he was listed as owner and I as tech/admin, I had to change the owner entry to me to get them to issue a cert for it <.< |
| 22:55.51 | Gnarfoz | interesting, I wouldn't even have noticed that they check that |
| 22:56.05 | nevcairiel | probably automated, but still |
| 22:56.28 | Gnarfoz | I had to put them on my greylisting whitelist, though |
| 22:56.47 | Gnarfoz | their script first connects from one server, that gets greylisted |
| 22:57.09 | Gnarfoz | which errors, of course (and even mentions that if your mail server is using greylisting, to try again in 5 minutes) |
| 22:57.23 | Gnarfoz | so you repeat it... and then a DIFFERENT server wants to send the actual mail |
| 22:57.36 | Gnarfoz | because the first one only checked if the MX actually works |
| 22:57.47 | Gnarfoz | so that gets greylisted again... |
| 22:57.48 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 22:58.34 | Gnarfoz | I eventually got the verification code from the first try an hour later; I had long whitelisted them and completed the process by then, though ^^ |
| 22:58.59 | Gnarfoz | https://www.pierschel.com/de/software-blog/18-code-signing-tutorial-de I'm assuming "Lebensdauersignatur" in the screenshot a bit further down is the property you want |
| 22:59.49 | Gnarfoz | and from other tutorials, I gathered that you can use any timestamping server? |
| 22:59.58 | Gnarfoz | doesn't have to be one run by your issuing CA |
| 23:00.26 | nevcairiel | yeah it doesnt matter |
| 23:00.33 | Gnarfoz | that leaves us with "what the hell do they refer to w/ the "timestamping" thing for extended validation" :D |
| 23:00.42 | nevcairiel | it doesnt show this information panel anymore for my expired cert, damn :p |
| 23:01.41 | Gnarfoz | it doesn't? hm |
| 23:01.46 | Gnarfoz | set the date back ;p |
| 23:01.50 | nevcairiel | just a big "expired" |
| 23:02.08 | Gnarfoz | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2213784/how-to-verify-that-timestamping-is-done-correctly-for-signed-code says that the property on the screenshot actually *isn't* what you want |
| 23:02.18 | Gnarfoz | and will explicitly do the opposite |
| 23:02.24 | Gnarfoz | which... kind of sucks :D |
| 23:02.38 | nevcairiel | i dont have that on the old cert |
| 23:02.39 | nevcairiel | Ensures software came from software publisher |
| 23:02.39 | nevcairiel | Protects software from alteration after publication |
| 23:02.39 | nevcairiel | 1.3.6.1.4.1.6449.1.2.1.3.2 |
| 23:02.51 | nevcairiel | it doesnt know what the third thing is :D |
| 23:02.56 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 23:03.13 | Gnarfoz | the "lifetime signing" property apparently limits the timestamp's validity to the validity of the cert |
| 23:03.17 | Gnarfoz | could as well just not timestamp |
| 23:03.26 | Gnarfoz | shame |
| 23:03.50 | nevcairiel | we will see once i get it |
| 23:04.05 | Fisker | i h8 certs i r8 it 0/8 |
| 23:04.07 | nevcairiel | its not like it cost me anything now, otherwise i'll just buy a new one |
| 23:05.01 | Gnarfoz | http://stackoverflow.com/a/5333051/687704 :( |
| 23:05.09 | Gnarfoz | yeah, of course |
| 23:06.07 | Gnarfoz | if it was possible (well, you're self-employed... do you have some form of company?) for individuals to obtain EV status |
| 23:06.16 | nevcairiel | EV is fucking expensive |
| 23:06.19 | Gnarfoz | you could still get it cheaper than most of the other guys |
| 23:06.24 | Gnarfoz | *guys=CAs |
| 23:06.32 | Gnarfoz | isn't it 60+60+149? |
| 23:07.00 | Gnarfoz | 60+60+140 |
| 23:07.11 | Gnarfoz | ok, so a bit more than the competition :( https://www.sslshopper.com/cheap-code-signing-certificates.html |
| 23:07.26 | nevcairiel | i can get a 2 year code signing cert for 100 without the extra hassle that is EV |
| 23:07.37 | Gnarfoz | actually, no, startssl's are valid for longer |
| 23:07.42 | Gnarfoz | yeah, yeah, just saying |
| 23:07.51 | Gnarfoz | wait, where? |
| 23:08.08 | Gnarfoz | obviously sslshopper doesn't claim covering the entire market |
| 23:08.17 | Gnarfoz | just an easy go-to site |
| 23:08.17 | nevcairiel | there is even a place that hands out free certs for open-source, but they shove "Open Source Developer" into the common name, which i would like to avoid :p |
| 23:08.32 | Gnarfoz | globalsign, I think? |
| 23:08.41 | Gnarfoz | or is that the polish one |
| 23:08.42 | nevcairiel | nah, certum.eu, a polish thing |
| 23:08.48 | Gnarfoz | ah yes |
| 23:09.04 | Gnarfoz | anyway, at least someone offers it |
| 23:09.16 | Gnarfoz | where would you get yours from? |
| 23:09.32 | Gnarfoz | Symantec, 499$/1year lolol |
| 23:09.44 | nevcairiel | work has a symantec driver-level cert |
| 23:09.59 | Gnarfoz | work has less money now |
| 23:10.10 | Gnarfoz | :D obviously still peanuts for companies |
| 23:11.07 | nevcairiel | the cheapest i found right now is $75/yr, so not quite as cheap as i claimed, but still |
| 23:11.41 | Gnarfoz | gotta check that they don't set that evil flag :D |
| 23:11.49 | nevcairiel | i should just renew my old cert, they upgraded to driver-level for $95 for one year, or $75/yr when i buy 5 years |
| 23:12.12 | nevcairiel | all the cheap ones are comodo resellers |
| 23:12.25 | Gnarfoz | that surprises... nobody, probably |
| 23:12.26 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:12.40 | Gnarfoz | Comodo is the Lidl of CAs |
| 23:12.57 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 23:13.15 | Gnarfoz | I refrained from saying ALDI, because ALDI actually has an ok-ish reputation ;p |
| 23:17.32 | nevcairiel | the validation should still be valid from when i last ordered my cert, so that should at least be quicker |
| 23:21.35 | nevcairiel | ah telekom finally fixed my contract (well in november, i forgot to check), and refunded all the money I paid too much |
| 23:21.51 | nevcairiel | I dunno what people always complain about telekom, I have quite a pleasant experience with them |
| 23:23.04 | Funkeh` | what's wrong with Lidl? |
| 23:23.08 | Funkeh` | they're good here |
| 23:23.20 | Gnarfoz | nothing in particular :D |
| 23:23.32 | Gnarfoz | just "cheap" popular image |
| 23:23.37 | Funkeh` | we've got both |
| 23:24.01 | Funkeh` | they're generally referred to as the supermarkets that don't destroy your wallet |
| 23:24.19 | Gnarfoz | they're not "discounters"? |
| 23:24.27 | nevcairiel | thats probably a german term |
| 23:24.29 | Gnarfoz | (but nobody calls them that here, even though it's the proper classification) |
| 23:24.40 | Gnarfoz | well, newspapers call them that |
| 23:24.43 | Gnarfoz | but that's about it |
| 23:24.44 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:25.00 | nevcairiel | everyone else just calls them lidl and aldi, but i would use that term if i had to call them something |
| 23:25.01 | Gnarfoz | I'd actually have a hard time ranking Aldi, Lidl, Penny, Netto |
| 23:25.18 | Funkeh` | well Im glad they're here |
| 23:25.19 | Gnarfoz | what else is there in this category |
| 23:25.43 | Gnarfoz | I guess they all merged/bought each other |
| 23:25.47 | nevcairiel | i never go to those, i use kaufland, which is a funny mixture of a discounter and a "normal" supermarket |
| 23:25.51 | Gnarfoz | all the ones that come to mind don't actually exist anymore |
| 23:27.00 | Gnarfoz | even znf has Lidl |
| 23:27.19 | nevcairiel | yeah its a big global market now |
| 23:27.21 | Gnarfoz | I know ALDI exists in the US, but I didn't expect Lidl to be pan-european ^^ |
| 23:27.31 | nevcairiel | i knew lidl was in the UK at least |
| 23:27.38 | nevcairiel | not sure how far out they go |
| 23:27.41 | Gnarfoz | I haven't been to the UK in a while :( |
| 23:27.44 | nevcairiel | ALDI is everywhere on the globe really |
| 23:27.46 | znf | Yes, I have Lidl |
| 23:27.50 | znf | And Billa |
| 23:27.51 | Gnarfoz | we should import some Tesco, just for fun |
| 23:28.01 | Gnarfoz | or maybe Asda |
| 23:28.08 | nevcairiel | although its mostly ALDI Süd .. ALDI nord operates under different names |
| 23:28.16 | nevcairiel | in the US, Trader Joe's is ALDI Nord |
| 23:28.17 | nevcairiel | technically |
| 23:28.20 | Gnarfoz | Hofer in .at |
| 23:29.05 | Gnarfoz | (and yeah, when I looked up "Trader Joe's" one day, because ALDI peanuts are branded as such, that was an interesting revelation) |
| 23:30.10 | nevcairiel | wth, did telekom rename their products again |
| 23:30.15 | nevcairiel | wtf is MagentaZuhause |
| 23:30.22 | Stanzilla | yeah |
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| 23:30.33 | Stanzilla | got that now too |
| 23:30.59 | Gnarfoz | that's Entertain, isn't it |
| 23:31.14 | Gnarfoz | or is it call&surf |
| 23:31.17 | nevcairiel | nah, thats the normal call&surf |
| 23:31.22 | Gnarfoz | bleh |
| 23:31.24 | nevcairiel | you can just book an IPTV option on top |
| 23:31.32 | Gnarfoz | I guess after being denied a trademark on the colour magenta |
| 23:31.48 | Gnarfoz | they now try to push products under the name so they can at least trademark the word? |
| 23:32.11 | Gnarfoz | I have no idea. they clearly want the colour associated strongly with themselves ^^ |
| 23:32.57 | nevcairiel | everyone uses colors now, O2 has their "Blue" thing, vodafone has red and black |
| 23:33.33 | nevcairiel | obviously telekom has magenta |
| 23:34.00 | Gnarfoz | now that you mention it |
| 23:34.00 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:34.10 | Gnarfoz | BLAU.de |
| 23:34.14 | Gnarfoz | =o |
| 23:34.21 | nevcairiel | probably also MagentaMobile for the phones |
| 23:34.42 | nevcairiel | well close, no e |
| 23:34.45 | nevcairiel | MagentaMobil :P |
| 23:35.01 | nevcairiel | (which is still f'ing expensive) |
| 23:35.48 | Gnarfoz | Vodafone is also greedy as hell |
| 23:35.49 | Stanzilla | there is even discount now if you get home internet and mobile from them now |
| 23:36.03 | Gnarfoz | they arrived in this century, then? |
| 23:36.13 | nevcairiel | unless their discount is like 75% price cut, their mobile is still f'ing expensive |
| 23:37.04 | Gnarfoz | Vodafone's 500 MB, phone/sms flat thing is 35â¬/month |
| 23:37.07 | Gnarfoz | 500 MB! |
| 23:37.15 | Stanzilla | yeah man |
| 23:37.17 | Stanzilla | I had 250mb |
| 23:37.19 | Stanzilla | for 25 |
| 23:37.32 | nevcairiel | telekom 500mb is only 29.95 |
| 23:37.34 | Fisker | That's not a lot |
| 23:37.47 | Kalroth | :o |
| 23:37.53 | Gnarfoz | that's a lot, Telekom's own discount daughter company offers 500 MB for 9.99 |
| 23:38.01 | nevcairiel | o2 is the only of the non-resellers thats actually somewhat cheap |
| 23:38.03 | Stanzilla | even cheaper I think |
| 23:38.04 | Gnarfoz | without call/sms flat, but who the hell needs that |
| 23:38.07 | Stanzilla | I have 1gb now at congstar |
| 23:38.08 | Stanzilla | for 12? |
| 23:38.14 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: yeah thats what i dont understand |
| 23:38.16 | Gnarfoz | oh? they must have changed some stuff around |
| 23:38.17 | Kalroth | 15 for 9GB here |
| 23:38.17 | nevcairiel | congstar is so cheap |
| 23:38.22 | Ressy | I love Wind. <3 $30 unlimited calling, text (inside province), and data provided I'm in a coverage zone. |
| 23:39.08 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: no LTE, none of the other "additional" stuff, like multi-SIM, no idea what else (I checked once, but forgot by now) |
| 23:39.09 | Ressy | cost me $15 for unlimited calling, text & data, roaming when I went to Blizzcon.. |
| 23:39.21 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: well not LTE speeds, but certainly LTE network access |
| 23:39.37 | nevcairiel | which is fine for me :) |
| 23:39.37 | Gnarfoz | nope |
| 23:39.40 | Gnarfoz | or wait |
| 23:39.44 | Gnarfoz | yes, for post-paid SIMs |
| 23:39.56 | nevcairiel | no idea about pre-paid |
| 23:39.59 | Gnarfoz | the pre-paid ones don't even get access :D |
| 23:40.30 | nevcairiel | access is nice since the network is usually much less crowded and i tend to get 100% of the speed i pay for all thet ime |
| 23:40.37 | Gnarfoz | telco stuff is so ridiculously un-comparable across countries... |
| 23:40.59 | nevcairiel | someone said recently that post-merge o2/eplus is actually a nice network now |
| 23:41.20 | Gnarfoz | is "post merge" actually achieved already from the technical perspective? |
| 23:41.32 | nevcairiel | because eplus invested in a lot of HSPA+ stuff, so 3G at 42mbit |
| 23:41.37 | Gnarfoz | (and no, I haven't noticed ANY improvement of any kind) |
| 23:41.52 | nevcairiel | guess in some areas it is |
| 23:42.02 | Gnarfoz | hm, didn't they offer that before, too? I don't recall |
| 23:42.10 | Gnarfoz | ok, it's always "up to" |
| 23:42.11 | nevcairiel | yeah, but not that long ago |
| 23:42.22 | Gnarfoz | they might have been offering it for 5 km² in Munich for 5 years |
| 23:42.32 | nevcairiel | there was a time when eplus was only plain 3G, no HSPA anything |
| 23:42.50 | nevcairiel | while everyone else was already planning LTE |
| 23:42.56 | Gnarfoz | there was a time when e-plus was actually considered a pioneer and network with great voice quality! |
| 23:43.06 | nevcairiel | that is long ago :P |
| 23:43.19 | Gnarfoz | yeah, o2 Germany was still VIAG Interkom then. :P |
| 23:43.26 | Gnarfoz | and Vodafone Germany Mannesmann D2! |
| 23:43.35 | Gnarfoz | and T-Mobile "DeTeMobil" |
| 23:43.35 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 23:43.38 | nevcairiel | only telekom will always be telekom |
| 23:44.03 | nevcairiel | as long as you dont start mentioning the C networks |
| 23:44.07 | Gnarfoz | brrr |
| 23:44.18 | Gnarfoz | my uncle's car had a C-net car phone |
| 23:44.27 | nevcairiel | it was analog! |
| 23:44.29 | Gnarfoz | (and D later) |
| 23:44.31 | Gnarfoz | I know! :D |
| 23:44.48 | nevcairiel | was still running until 2000 |
| 23:44.58 | nevcairiel | i think my father had a car phone as well with that |
| 23:45.25 | Gnarfoz | oddly, this reminds me of the fact that my brother once owned a pager. |
| 23:45.33 | Gnarfoz | Skyper! |
| 23:45.38 | Gnarfoz | or something? |
| 23:45.42 | nevcairiel | the concept of pagers was quite popular in the 90s |
| 23:45.52 | Gnarfoz | (clearly, long before Skype existed even) |
| 23:45.59 | nevcairiel | when mobile phones were still unthinkable, but you wanted to be reachable still |
| 23:46.23 | Gnarfoz | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyper_%28Pager%29 :D |
| 23:46.28 | Gnarfoz | ah, Scall! |
| 23:46.57 | nevcairiel | they shut it down a year ago :( |
| 23:47.02 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 23:47.10 | Gnarfoz | wait a minute, I think I even owned one of those? |
| 23:47.29 | Gnarfoz | I have no fucking idea, I shall ask my brother some time :D |
| 23:47.45 | Gnarfoz | I think he had a Skyper and I had a Scall? or maybe he had both in succession, no clue, memory so hazy! |
| 23:48.41 | nevcairiel | fascinating that even the B network was still running until 1995 |
| 23:49.16 | Gnarfoz | we're not ones to kill off infrastructure quickly, heh |
| 23:49.36 | Gnarfoz | ahhh |
| 23:49.37 | Gnarfoz | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funkrufnetz#TeLMI |
| 23:49.41 | Gnarfoz | :D I think he had this |
| 23:50.14 | nevcairiel | all these small networks with their own frequencys |
| 23:50.27 | nevcairiel | i wonder if there is still such things running, and how many |
| 23:51.48 | Gnarfoz | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/E*Cityruf at least |
| 23:52.15 | Gnarfoz | and probably quite a few professionally used ones? |
| 23:52.47 | nevcairiel | reading the page about the mobile networks in germany, there is a small section about north korea for some reason, its always again rather scary how locked down that country and its population is |
| 23:54.39 | Gnarfoz | wtf? link :D |
| 23:54.48 | nevcairiel | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilfunk#Mobiltelefonie_in_Nordkorea |
| 23:54.59 | Gnarfoz | ah |
| 23:55.10 | Gnarfoz | I thought the Lemma was "Mobilfunk_in_Deutschland" |
| 23:55.23 | Gnarfoz | in which a section about North Korea would be rather odd |
| 23:55.33 | nevcairiel | well the whole page is all about germany otherwise |
| 23:55.47 | Gnarfoz | and a tiny section about south-south-germany, aka Austria |
| 23:55.57 | nevcairiel | well, links anyway |
| 23:56.01 | Gnarfoz | yeah. really odd. |
| 23:56.30 | nevcairiel | 2012 had a mobile data volume of 193 PB |
| 23:56.44 | nevcairiel | i bet that went up a factor of 10 again until now |
| 23:57.10 | Gnarfoz | "Die ersten vergebenen Telefonnummern begannen mit den Ziffern â1912â, dem Geburtsjahr des ehemaligen Präsidenten Kim Il-sung." ....yeeeep. |
| 23:57.18 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 23:57.28 | Gnarfoz | crazy level: dprk |
| 23:58.31 | Gnarfoz | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funkrufnetz#Chekker what |
| 23:58.33 | Gnarfoz | I never heard of that |
