IRC log for #wowace on 20100411

00:01.09Repo10deus-vox-encounters: 03Shefki 07master * v477-90-gedda33b Encounters/Citadel/Encounters.lua: [+1 commit] Sindragosa (39): Fix a string that wasn't localized properly.
00:05.16kapowazI sure wish I was just able to use a 24-bit PNG
00:07.47kapowazthe workflow here is painful.
00:08.05kapowazI have to turn a set of layers in Photoshop into an opaque layer with an alpha channel to define transparency
00:08.17kapowazworking backwards from a layer which already has transparency to that is quite awkward
00:08.32kapowazcomplains some more.
00:12.30Fiskerslaps ckknight around a bit with a large trout
00:12.37Gnarfoztoo bad there's not a profession for that, you're good at it :p
00:12.41ckknightno, Fisker
00:12.46kapowazhmm.
00:15.51winkkapowaz: use paint, all your transparent problems are nicely solved :P
00:17.46kapowazthanks for that.
00:18.08Fiskeri wish ckknight
00:18.09kapowazare all textures in WoW assumed to be used merely as colour channels then?
00:18.23kapowazwell, clearly not all of them are
00:18.32kapowazmaybe just this addon uses them that way
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00:32.39Repo10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r441 Prat-3.0.toc: rebuild to pick up DE localizations
00:40.00kapowazwhen I see a colour in Lua in this format {1, 1, 1, 1} — does that mean R, G, B, alpha ?
00:40.17Cypriasyeah
00:40.20kapowazcool.
00:46.59miicaanybody here knows tukui?
00:47.20miicahttp://www.tukui.org/home/
00:47.30miicasomething beutiful
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01:36.11LexSfXWhitetooth: Thanks for RatingBuster_AlwaysBuffed!  I am the original creator of the replenishment ticket, and I see you've worked hard.  :)
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01:42.21kapowazohhh
01:42.43kapowazwould I be right in thinking that the built-in icon graphics have already got a border applied to them?
01:44.06ShefkiYes.
01:44.10ShefkiThe border is part of the icons.
01:44.20ShefkiYou can clip it by using SetTexCoord
01:45.44kapowazfacepalms
01:45.49kapowazthat would explain a lot
01:45.50ShefkiSetTexCoord(0.07, 0.93, 0.07, 0.93)
01:46.00kapowazyeah, I just saw that in another buttonfacade skin
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01:46.30kapowazbtw, is there a quicker way of testing addon changes than constantly quitting/reloading wow?
01:46.41Shefki<PROTECTED>
01:46.51kapowazthat doesn't seem to take effect...
01:47.11kapowaztries again
01:47.23ShefkiUnless you add files you don't need to quit the game.
01:47.28ShefkiIf you add files then you have to log out.
01:47.58kapowazah cool.
01:48.02kapowazthat worked
01:48.07kapowazseeing as I've got your attention...
01:48.26kapowazmy buttonfacade skin here has a load of padding
01:48.32kapowazwhich isn't part of the image
01:48.38kapowazbut other skins don't have all that padding
01:48.53kapowazlikely culprits?
01:49.07ShefkiNo idea, I know nothing of ButtonFacade.
01:49.18kapowazhttps://gist.github.com/43a8147facc02d2ea95e is my Lua
01:49.23kapowazthe image is 64x64
01:49.28kapowazah, ok
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01:58.11LysitheaI had an addon a few months ago that would show me a keyboard layout ingame which then listed which binds I got where, anyone know the name of it?
01:58.32LysitheaI've managed to fuck some binds up and I dont know how or where :/
01:59.51hastehttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8691-BindingsReminder.html ?
02:00.55Lysitheanot the one I had back then but this looks better
02:01.14Lysitheathanks
02:02.16kapowazhmm, dominos and buttonfacade seem to interfere with one another
02:02.21Lysitheaswapping from my disc specc with binds fixed to shadow and bac fucks them up
02:02.23Lysitheadont get why
02:02.48kapowazif BF is loaded, it stops Dominos's config popup from appearing
02:55.42Repo10ratingbuster-alwaysbuffed: 03Whitetooth * r3 RatingBuster_AlwaysBuffed.lua: - Fixed zhTW locale, and added templates for other locales
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03:27.28Dadukejust wondering if there is any update for avr encounters
03:28.01Dadukemessing around using avr in icc right now and its awesome
03:35.24Torhalhaste: You almost caused someone to be banned from CF.
03:37.46Wobinawesome. How?
03:37.48ShefkiAlmost?
03:38.02Torhalhaste: Apparently oGlow is so awesome that after I deleted the project with the reason "Uploading another Author's work.", the guy decided to rename it BorderGlow and tried again.
03:38.11TorhalI fired off a nastly little warning message.
03:38.19TorhalBasically "Do it again, you're gone."
03:38.59Wobinwhy give him that chance?
03:39.16Wobinhe'll just sar the variable names or something
03:39.31TorhalThen I get to roll my eyes and nuke his ass.
03:39.43Wobinban him now with the reason "Failing to understand plagarism"
03:39.48TorhalHehe
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03:40.09Wobinnuke his arse now
03:40.18Wobinhe clearly didn't take the warning to heart
03:40.35ShefkiKinda sad how almost everyone universally understand moral rights but the US doesn't bother to have them in law.
03:41.10PProvostYou can't legislate morality. No matter how much people try.
03:42.09TorhalWobin: Oh, I warned him after the rename trick.
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03:42.55ShefkiPProvost: I'm not sure you understand what I meant by that.
03:43.00WobinIf you try to legislate morality, -who's- morality are you going to legislate?
03:43.16TorhalWobin: Fisker's, obviously.
03:43.20Wobinif I feel that it's immoral for two guys to get married, is -that- correct?
03:44.33WobinBut especially, the US, with their religious slant... they're the last people I'd want legislating morality =P
03:45.15Wobin(I don't feel it's immoral, by the way, but just putting forward what would be a likely scenario =P)
03:45.19PProvostReligion always legislates morality
03:45.42PProvostalthough legislate is perhaps the wrong word in that case
03:45.51TorhalBullshit. The Flying Spaghetti Monster does.
03:45.54Wobinyes, but who's religion?
03:46.01PProvostExactly
03:46.11ShefkiPProvost: Go look up what moral rights have to do with copyright.
03:46.16ShefkiIt has nothing to do with morality.
03:47.41PProvostShefki: I know. But the problem with that term has always been that it is confusing in common language
03:47.48PProvostOnly copyright geeks know what it means
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03:48.01PProvostThey always assume the "inalienable rights" version of the phrase
03:50.56Megalonalienates all over the place
03:54.57Groktari got a new kitty today
03:54.58Groktar:D
03:55.09Groktar7mo old siamese seal point
03:55.09quiescenso.o
03:55.17Groktarqtpi
03:55.33Groktartraditional siamese, not one of those freaky looking modern things
03:56.39quiescenso.O
03:58.58Megalonnow we know!
03:59.35ShefkiPProvost: I don't think they're inalieable, I think that people just general naturally think that they should exist.
04:00.24Megalonah, so you got a cat
04:00.27Megalonthat looks like a cat
04:00.47PProvostNow you misunderstand my point. People confuse the term "moral rights" (the copyright topic) with morality and "inalienable rights". That was all.
04:00.54Megalonand not something that got (de)formed by special breeding :o
04:00.57PProvostAnd yes, I did go there when you brought up copyright law.
04:00.59PProvost:P
04:01.13Megalonand on that bombshell
04:08.49WobinGroktar, pix of gtfo =)
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04:13.36Groktarhttp://www.guild-impulse.net/download/file.php?id=216&t=1
04:13.47Groktarer
04:13.54Groktarhttp://www.guild-impulse.net/download/file.php?id=216&mode=view/IMG00089.jpg
04:13.58Groktarthumbnail lol
04:14.16Groktarmy phone camera is so bad :(
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04:26.11WobinPleased Cat is Pleased
04:26.35WobinGroktar, what does a fake siamese look like?
04:26.55Groktarmmm
04:27.03Groktarwhat exactly did i say about siamese?
04:27.07Groktarscrolls up
04:27.31Groktarok, i said freaky looking modern siamese
04:27.45Groktarmodern and traditional siamese both have the same coloring
04:27.49Wobinkk, how do the nontraditional ones look?
04:28.03Groktarthe traditional siamese is shaped like a normal cat, while the modern siamese has the weird shaped head
04:28.27Groktarhttp://www.pictures-of-cats.org/images/modern-siamese-quincy.jpg
04:28.30Groktarthere, modern siamese
04:28.33Groktarfreaking lookin thing
04:28.38Wobinsphinxy
04:28.44Groktari don't understand why anyone in their right mind would breed a creature to look like that
04:28.55Wobinthe eyes are too big for the face =(
04:29.17WobinThat cat would never look happy =(
04:29.24Groktaryeah
04:29.29Wobinand who doesn't want HappyCat?
04:29.48Groktaryeye
04:33.04Wobin"You feel normal"
04:33.10Wobinworst message ever =(
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05:06.45quiescensgo to sleep
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05:07.04quiescensor just stop playing for a fortnight
05:10.26Repo10shadowed-unit-frames: 03Shadowed 07master * v3.2.9-1-g5ee8c5c modules (3 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] Inverted bars will default to a black bar if color isn't overridden
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06:51.59Repo10ratingbuster-alwaysbuffed: 03Whitetooth * r4 RatingBuster_AlwaysBuffed.lua: - Really fixed the locale code
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07:01.56sylvanaarugh, i hate java - you have to write so much code
07:09.45sylvanaarbut, i want to see what I can get intelliJ to do with Lua support. There still really isnt an editor that does Lua well.
07:10.27Thraesylvanaar: I like Vim with an environment tweaked by...well, someone. I forget. Starts with a k.
07:14.18sylvanaarThrae: i use editpad pro to develop in lua - i just wanted to take a stab and making a real IDE for lua
07:15.26Shefkisylvanaar: You'll never find a god Lua editor because of functions being first class citizens.
07:15.31Shefkigood*
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07:17.49sylvanaarIDEA has alot of promise to, i was just looking at the function problem today - what is he issue witht them being 1st class
07:19.14ShefkiYou can't provide function autocomplete that will work reliably.
07:19.28Repo10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r7463 Citadel/Putricide.lua: Add a bar showing the total duration of the unbound plague.
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07:23.01sylvanaarwhat would be a case that it couldnt handle? If im wasting my time writing this  - better find out sooner than later
07:23.19ShefkiWell in Lua it's pretty common to shove functions into data structures.
07:23.26sylvanaaryeah
07:23.44ShefkiWhich makes it difficult to know when you're reference data or a function.
07:24.16ShefkiIt's a common problem with all IDE's for functional programming languages.
07:25.04sylvanaaryeah, i guess you cant know all the valid completions for functions  - especially since you can have the ones from the environment
07:25.23ShefkiExactly.
07:25.34ShefkiThrow in upalues in Lua.
07:25.44ShefkiThough upvalues would be easier to handle.
07:26.35sylvanaarbut still - threre are alot of interesting things you can do besides code completion
07:26.39Shefkimetatables would be a problem though.
07:27.24ShefkiOk I'll bite, what?
07:28.14sylvanaarrefactoring, code analysis, code reformatting
07:29.27ShefkiI've never understand how an editor can be that helpful with refactoring.
07:29.40ShefkiReformatting, Vim seems to do fine with helping me do those things.
07:30.51sylvanaarsomethign like "string.match(a,b)" convert to "(a):match(b)"
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07:31.29sylvanaarits not a very interesting example  i know
07:32.12sylvanaarir generic for loop - convert to numeric for loop
07:32.34Shefki*shrug* I'm old school...  I'm not very excited by IDE's generally.
07:33.27sylvanaarlike i said, i normally use a text editor too
07:33.40Shefkisylvanaar: http://luaedit.luaforge.net/
07:33.44ShefkiNo idea if it's any good.
07:33.49sylvanaarthey all suck
07:33.54sylvanaari have tried them
07:34.33ShefkiWhy are you interested in doing this if you're just using a text editor now?
07:34.51sylvanaarto see what can be done
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07:35.48sylvanaarin the back of my mind - i think that the current way i do things could be improved with a good tool
07:39.37sylvanaari think luaedit is actually visual studio
07:40.45sylvanaari downloaded it just now - it had an exception when showing the about box
07:42.13Shefkilol
07:44.08sylvanaarit is visual studio
07:44.58sylvanaarjust a special build of it using the visual studio SDK
07:45.51sylvanaarthere is VSLua which enables syntax hilighting on visual studio - thats not bad. but it doesnt go beyond that
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07:46.21quiescensdifferent coloured pens and a piece of paper
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07:50.19sylvanaarwhat can you use to share images now - photobucket wants me to register
07:50.46Trelahttp://tinypic.com/
07:51.59sylvanaarmy text editor: http://i44.tinypic.com/5wm1qd.png
07:54.59TrelaTextMate is awesome, though for Mac.
07:55.45TrelaJon Akhtar?
07:55.50sylvanaaryeah
07:55.55Repo10big-wigs: 037destiny * r7464 Citadel/Locales/koKR.lua: koKR Update
07:55.58Trela:P
07:56.31sylvanaartextmate - i havent really gotten into it
07:56.53sylvanaari dont know enough ruby
07:58.26sylvanaarTrela: oh you are refering to the roboform bit
07:58.48TrelaI am confused.
07:58.53sylvanaaror the liscene at the bottom
07:59.02TrelaThe license at the bottom.  :P
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08:05.26sylvanaarin any event - at least i'll get a t-shirt for the intellij plugin
08:05.50sylvanaarhttp://plugins.intellij.net/contest/
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08:31.40RepoAutomated LibBabble re-generation from the localization system
08:32.00Repo10libbabble-boss-3-0: 03Nevcairiel 043.3-release16 * r281 : Weekly Tag - #16
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09:05.20Repo- Optimized EJ calculator
09:05.21Repo- Added EJCalculator.lua, EJTalentBuilder.lua, EJTalentBuilds.lua to /Modules/
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09:40.12hasteTorhal: still wondering what version he/she tried to upload :P
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10:34.33RepoMake heals-incoming color setting work for invertColor heals
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13:15.08Torhalhaste: Heh - 1.12 with ToC version  20400
13:16.11kagaroI wonder if they will preview cata ui api changes
13:17.01hasteTorhal: heh
13:17.13TorhalSo, basically, what's current on WoWI
13:17.27hasteit would make sense if he/she had taken my git version instead :P
13:17.28nevcairielkagaro: only what they said in the class previews, ui elements for certain spells :d
13:17.52kagaroim wondering mostly abotu changes to the gathering professions
13:18.03nevcairielhave to wait for the beta .p
13:18.23kagarolike pahse detection so i could adjust the nodes in gathermate to show based on phase
13:18.44nevcairielnodes actually show in multiple phases
13:18.48nevcairieli had one disappear on me
13:18.55nevcairielso i figured someone in another phase got it
13:19.37kagaroim wondering if they are gona change that
13:20.18kagaroim thinking about swapping which of my chars has mining so my dk can have jc + bs
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13:33.12kagarohad to changed datatools this moring for wowhead changes
13:34.07nevcairielyeah tehy changed their url scheme
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14:13.55asmodaiwtf, Tod und Verfall
14:14.10asmodaihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epZB7alg4Tk&hd=1
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14:15.48asmodaiRunenstoss? My god, good thing we play the English version in NL XD
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14:25.28yoshimowhats wrong with german ? ;) except that the literal translations are funny sometimes ;)
14:29.53asmodaiReally funny
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14:39.24kapowazwhat texture blendmodes does WoW support for addon textures?
14:39.34kapowazI see ADD is one example, which seems to work like Overlay in Photoshop
14:39.38kapowazare there others?
14:40.05nevcairielhttp://www.wowwiki.com/XML/Texture/alphaMode
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14:42.53kapowazthanks
14:43.22kapowazah, so it's equivalent to dodge and burn rather than overlay.
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15:14.08Repo10arl: 03pompachomp 07master * v1.1.0-beta1-2-gb4481f0 Database/Smelting.lua: [+1 commit] Ticket 988 - Fix quality colors for some Smelting recipes
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17:09.00stolenlegacy@project arkinventory
17:09.01Repostolenlegacy: No project found that matches 'arkinventory'
17:09.09stolenlegacy@project ark
17:09.10Repostolenlegacy: No project found that matches 'ark'
17:09.16stolenlegacy@project ark-inventory
17:09.17Repostolenlegacy: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ark-inventory/. ArkInventory. Game: WoW. Arkayenro (Manager/Author). Updated: 2 days ago. Tickets: 13/30
17:09.25stolenlegacy~seen Arkayenro
17:09.28purli haven't seen 'arkayenro', stolenlegacy
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20:06.55sag_ich_nichtugh
20:07.09sag_ich_nichtanyone know where Zeksie is? ~~
20:07.39nevcairielgone
20:09.16sag_ich_nichtfrom irc? forever?
20:09.22sag_ich_nichtthat'd be terrible.
20:09.42sag_ich_nichtsince I need to bitch at him about how it is not a good idea to have zomgbuffs autobuff while in shadowmeld
20:09.45sag_ich_nicht:D
20:10.04nevcairielhasnt been on irc or working on his stuff
20:10.16SunTsusag_ich_nicht: then write a ticket, he seems to be fixing things from time to time
20:10.25sag_ich_nichtthen how come... hold on changelogs
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20:10.47sag_ich_nichtlast commit to utopia: 2010-04-01, by Zeksie
20:11.04nevcairielhe did like two commits on that day, then vanished again
20:11.20sag_ich_nicht:(
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20:14.38sag_ich_nichtSunTsu judging from the amount of tickets still open, I doubt it
20:14.45sag_ich_nichtbut http://www.wowace.com/addons/zomgbuffs/tickets/132-autobuff-in-shadowmeld-bad-idea/ created anyway
20:14.46sag_ich_nicht:D
20:15.31SunTsusag_ich_nicht: yeah, still currently the best bet on telling zeksie about it
20:16.58sag_ich_nichtwell
20:17.05sag_ich_nichthe still hasn't fixed ticket no. 54
20:17.11sag_ich_nichtwhich I opened back in august last year
20:17.23sag_ich_nichtwell actually, that's a lie
20:17.27sag_ich_nichtI opened it in april last year
20:17.33sag_ich_nichtzeksie accepted it in august
20:18.09sag_ich_nichthttp://www.wowace.com/addons/zomgbuffs/tickets/54-rewrite-generator-code/ it's horribly annoying still, too
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20:29.07yoshimozeksie is mentioned in repo announces every now and then but thats all ;)
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20:42.06Repo10raidbuffstatus: 03danielbarron 04v3.252-beta * r343 : RaidBuffStatus:
20:42.08Repo- Tagged as beta.
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20:51.04Repo10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r443 modules/OriginalButtons.lua: start the SMFHax module if text reflowing is turned on
20:53.54Repo10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r444 modules/OriginalButtons.lua:
20:53.56Repomake sure last change does not cause and error when highcpu is off
20:56.09yoshimowhat does this smfhax module?
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21:46.47Repo10big-wigs: 03Pettigrow * r7465 Citadel/Locales/frFR.lua: frFR Update
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22:19.15LexSfXmy gridraiddebuff only shows anything if "detect new debuff" is on.  it seems to be completely broken for the pre-programmed debuffs.
22:19.41LexSfXerr, gridstatusraiddebuff
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22:54.25DadukeWhen is grid 2 going to be updated enough to replace grid?
23:00.09Dadukeactually is there a gridstatusraiddebuff for grid 2?
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23:06.00orionshockhave you used grid2 yet?
23:06.25orionshockdebuffs are a rather standard feature of any unitframe style addon... im sure there where settings there for it
23:06.25kagaroDaduke:  ive been using grid2 for months
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23:18.19Dadukethe gridstatusraiddebuff mod, adds in all the various debuffs that boss fights employ so you don't have to enter them into grid
23:18.34Dadukewas wondering if there was a mod a that auto added the various debuffs to grid 2
23:22.35LexSfXmy gridraiddebuff only shows anything if "detect new debuff" is on.  it seems to be completely broken for the pre-programmed debuffs.  is this behavior occurring for anyone else?
23:23.07LexSfXi have tested in normal ToC25, normal ICC25, heroic ICC10 bosses
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23:48.59Repo- fixed the incoming heal bar being invisible sometimes (such as the bar alpha being 0 when OOC, >0 when not full, and the player being OOC with a non-full bar)
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