| 00:06.18 | DWSR | ckknight |
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| 00:12.00 | Arrowmaster | DWSR: are you taking over the project completely? |
| 00:18.11 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: With acapela. We're co-maintaining. |
| 00:18.11 | DWSR | i.e. we both need access to the project. |
| 00:18.11 | DWSR | You're a mod @ WA? |
| 00:18.11 | DWSR | I obviously need to check the freaking staff list one of these days. |
| 00:18.40 | quiescens | moo |
| 00:21.52 | DWSR | quack |
| 00:21.59 | DWSR | ucwutididthar? |
| 00:27.42 | harl | nearly correct |
| 00:30.21 | harl | (qed) |
| 00:38.48 | Repo | 10elitistgroup: 03Shadowed 07master * v1.7.1-4-g20edd2d modules/group_notes.lua: [+1 commit] Fixed an error in group_notes.lua:183 if the notes table wasn't created |
| 00:40.37 | ckknight | btw, Shadowed, loving elitistgroup. |
| 00:40.53 | ckknight | DWSR: need help? |
| 00:41.24 | Shadowed | http://elitistarmory.com/US/Mal'Ganis/Shadow now too ckknight |
| 00:42.14 | ckknight | cool stuff |
| 00:42.55 | ckknight | http://elitistarmory.com/US/Nesingwary/Valko |
| 00:42.58 | ckknight | that's me |
| 00:43.24 | Shadowed | It's not perfect yet thought |
| 00:43.47 | ckknight | tooltips take too long |
| 00:43.49 | ckknight | how are you syncing? |
| 00:44.11 | Shadowed | What do you mean by how? |
| 00:44.41 | ckknight | how are you generating the tooltips? |
| 00:44.56 | ckknight | ah, mmo-champion |
| 00:44.59 | ckknight | why not wowhead? |
| 00:45.11 | Shadowed | Wowhead doesn't give me enough info |
| 00:45.27 | Shadowed | They don't have access to things like glyphs by glyph id, I can't pull enchant tooltips by enchant id |
| 00:45.52 | Stanzilla | http://elitistarmory.com/EU/Zirkel%20des%20Cenarius/Arc%C3%A1dia \o/ |
| 00:45.53 | ckknight | hmm |
| 00:45.54 | ckknight | okay |
| 00:46.02 | Shadowed | MMOCs tooltip library is better too, much easier to hookin my own tooltips. The AJAX loading of the raid experience is done using the MMOC tooltip library |
| 00:46.08 | Shadowed | it's a pretty handy bit of code, but it's not the fastest |
| 00:46.09 | ckknight | Shadowed: why is my off-spec listed first? |
| 00:46.40 | Shadowed | The XML order is inactive spec -> active spec |
| 00:46.44 | Shadowed | but it's something I'll fix |
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| 00:48.35 | Shadowed | tooltips are Bibis fault |
| 00:48.44 | Megalon | We're sorry, but something went wrong. |
| 00:48.44 | Megalon | We've been notified about this issue and we'll take a look at it shortly. |
| 00:48.54 | Shadowed | lin |
| 00:48.56 | Shadowed | +k |
| 00:49.01 | Megalon | now it works |
| 00:49.04 | Megalon | i searched my char |
| 00:49.14 | Megalon | then it said, is in queue, few seconds to wait |
| 00:49.33 | Megalon | after that i got the error and after reload the char showed |
| 00:49.39 | Shadowed | weird |
| 00:49.44 | Shadowed | I need to make it auto email me on error |
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| 00:51.46 | DWSR | gdit. |
| 00:51.54 | vhaarr | Shadowed: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/50179:3869/ is listed as a melee dps weapon now by elitistarmory |
| 00:52.13 | Shadowed | mmmm |
| 00:52.20 | Shadowed | probably cause of the stupid strength proc |
| 00:52.43 | Shadowed | fixed |
| 00:54.28 | Megalon | oh, it tries to guess if the items are valid for the spec, empty slots are skipped? |
| 00:54.29 | vhaarr | cool |
| 00:54.56 | Shadowed | Megalon |
| 00:55.13 | Shadowed | Megalon: It has a list of rules, basically along the lines of "If X, Y, Z are present it's A spec type" |
| 00:55.14 | vhaarr | Shadowed: perhaps you could add a small snippet of text to the frontpage describing the purpose of elitistarmory.com, and the ties to the addon if any |
| 00:55.33 | Shadowed | vhaarr: Yea, I'll add a bit more on description etc when I move into beta |
| 00:55.53 | vhaarr | ah so you don't want me advertising it to my guild then |
| 00:55.56 | vhaarr | yet |
| 00:56.00 | Shadowed | No you can advertise it to people |
| 00:56.15 | Wobin | elitistarmory? |
| 00:56.20 | Shadowed | Just how it ties into EG isn't finalized yet |
| 00:56.22 | vhaarr | I would, except I don't know the purpose of it :P |
| 00:56.33 | Shadowed | Megalon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/elitistgroup/ is slightly out of date, but data/item_data.lua (at the bottom specifically) are the base rules it uses for identifying items |
| 00:56.42 | Shadowed | vhaarr: Fine I'll write up something in a bit :P |
| 00:56.53 | Megalon | Shadowed: Anub caster trinket (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/47316/) is listed as Caster, All |
| 00:57.15 | DWSR | vhaarr: Can you transfer control of http://www.wowace.com/addons/project-4441/ to me? |
| 00:57.36 | vhaarr | DWSR: I don't think I am a wowace admin, for some reason |
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| 00:58.18 | DWSR | Check? |
| 00:59.20 | Shadowed | Trinkets are the most annoying thing to identify |
| 00:59.21 | Shadowed | fixed |
| 00:59.39 | Megalon | Enchants passed: 88% |
| 00:59.54 | Megalon | how do i find out which it thinks are not appropriate? |
| 01:00.06 | Shadowed | Link, scroll down and look for red Xs |
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| 01:01.01 | vhaarr | Shadowed: elitistarmory says I am 11.24% below the crit cap for lvl 83 mobs, which obviously would be fatal to my tank |
| 01:01.08 | Shadowed | vhaarr can you link |
| 01:01.13 | vhaarr | can I privmsg |
| 01:01.15 | Shadowed | sure |
| 01:01.17 | Megalon | hm, unenchanted chest, http://elitistarmory.com/EU/Destromath/Megalon but there is no X for me |
| 01:01.34 | Shadowed | What's defense cap again,m 540? |
| 01:01.46 | Megalon | yes |
| 01:01.47 | Wobin | 535 heroics, 540 raid |
| 01:01.56 | Shadowed | how the hell is it getting 12% below cap... |
| 01:02.04 | Shadowed | Megalon: It has the DE icon |
| 01:02.10 | Shadowed | I need a better way of indicating no enchant |
| 01:02.24 | Megalon | ah, thought everything that is kinda odd gets a red X |
| 01:02.47 | Shadowed | It did, but I wanted it to be more obvious to separate "Missing enchant/gem" vs "Bad enchant/gem" |
| 01:02.48 | vhaarr | Shadowed: also note that I have the resilience enchant on shoulders, which also provides a small amount |
| 01:02.58 | vhaarr | so basically my def cap is around 537 |
| 01:02.58 | Shadowed | yea vhaarr, it factors Resilience in too |
| 01:03.01 | vhaarr | with that enchant |
| 01:03.19 | vhaarr | I was just informing you about the specifics here it could be related to the bug |
| 01:03.24 | Shadowed | fair enough :P |
| 01:03.31 | Wobin | Shadowed, Just go for a green "No Entry" circle cross icon for gems and a red one for enchants |
| 01:03.33 | DWSR | Shadowed: Is ElAr a web thing? |
| 01:03.33 | DWSR | nvm |
| 01:03.44 | Shadowed | Wobin: Gems show an empty socket |
| 01:03.57 | Wobin | or orange for bad, red for missing |
| 01:04.00 | Wobin | for enchants |
| 01:04.02 | Shadowed | mmm |
| 01:04.07 | Shadowed | I'll see about that |
| 01:04.26 | Megalon | just another thing, druid balance set gets Caster, All tags |
| 01:04.45 | Shadowed | link? |
| 01:04.46 | Megalon | it's all the druid sets which have 'Regalia' in the setname |
| 01:04.49 | Shadowed | or query, whatever |
| 01:05.00 | Shadowed | oh well |
| 01:05.04 | Shadowed | That's not really a bug |
| 01:05.11 | Megalon | no clue if you want to distinguish there |
| 01:05.17 | Shadowed | not really, more work |
| 01:05.33 | Primer | speaking of druid, yesterday I chose to keep the cloth pants over the leather pants for my resto druid, because the former had spirit, whereas the latter had crit, but otherwise the exact same stats, even socket bonus |
| 01:05.40 | Primer | Did I make the wrong choice? |
| 01:05.51 | Megalon | balance or resto |
| 01:05.59 | Primer | the 245 from ToC (my druid turned 80 last week) |
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| 01:06.22 | Wobin | Megalon, he said resto =P |
| 01:06.30 | Primer | or course armor was different, but like I said, I'm resto...that shouldn't matter |
| 01:06.35 | Megalon | hm, I always seem to skip that word :x |
| 01:07.00 | Primer | oh, the cloth had 2 blue gems whereas the leather had one blue and one red |
| 01:07.22 | Megalon | ah well, for gearing up you just take all spirit/haste items you can get |
| 01:07.33 | Primer | http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=47051 |
| 01:08.17 | Primer | Is what I kept |
| 01:08.24 | Primer | http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=47318 was the other one |
| 01:08.42 | Primer | I gave that to a fellow guildy with boomkin OS |
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| 01:14.40 | Primer | crickets... |
| 01:15.33 | Aeyan | spirit > crit for resto druids, I've heard. |
| 01:15.48 | Primer | yes, I know the stats are what I wanted |
| 01:15.54 | Primer | it's just the cloth vs. leather thing |
| 01:16.02 | Primer | which seems to make no difference |
| 01:16.15 | Primer | since I'm not using it to tank |
| 01:16.26 | Primer | and as a tree I usually get one-shot if I get aggro |
| 01:17.19 | Aeyan | Yeah, I wouldn't worry about the armor value |
| 01:17.20 | Aeyan | Hehe |
| 01:17.24 | Groktar | smites Primer |
| 01:17.33 | Primer | In the past while leading pug raids, I used to tell druids that cloth was OS, since clothies can't wear leather...I now feel their pain |
| 01:17.50 | Aeyan | Well, in general, I agree |
| 01:18.06 | Primer | heh, I talked a shadow priest out of those pants |
| 01:18.22 | Primer | he gladly gave them to me, stating he had no plans to ever roll holy |
| 01:18.25 | Aeyan | I don't like seeing people rolling on armor outside of their class |
| 01:18.37 | Primer | we both rolled OS |
| 01:18.45 | Aeyan | Well, that's what I mean |
| 01:18.56 | Groktar | goes after leather |
| 01:18.56 | Primer | well, I was the raid leader too... |
| 01:18.57 | Aeyan | I don't like seeing a shaman rolling MS on a piece of leather when we've got a rogue, hehe |
| 01:19.15 | Megalon | takes pictures of Groktar in all-leather |
| 01:19.16 | Groktar | blame blizzard for the way they itemize |
| 01:19.23 | haste | fffffuuuu Fisker |
| 01:19.28 | Groktar | two of my bis pieces are leather |
| 01:19.30 | Groktar | as a warrior |
| 01:19.30 | Primer | eviscerates Groktar |
| 01:19.48 | Primer | Groktar: yeah, I had someone trying to tell me that when that piece dropped in ICC |
| 01:19.54 | Primer | I told the warrior "sorry" |
| 01:20.00 | Groktar | poor guy |
| 01:20.18 | Groktar | there are *no* plate bracers for warriors |
| 01:20.34 | Groktar | the plate belt is almost as good |
| 01:21.37 | Groktar | i snagged the mail belt off gunship for free |
| 01:22.14 | Groktar | like, i wouldn't take mail/leather over someone else if it wasn't bis |
| 01:25.13 | Primer | it's a hard argument to make |
| 01:25.33 | Primer | sure, the general consensus is that it's BiS, but to me that reads "Blizz fucked up" |
| 01:25.48 | Groktar | ok, here's the flipside |
| 01:26.15 | Groktar | 1) i take the non-bis item (which really sucks ass in the case of the bracers) over a dk or pally, who they're good for |
| 01:26.23 | Groktar | 2) i stick with the 245 bracers from heroic 10m toc |
| 01:27.45 | Groktar | also |
| 01:27.53 | Groktar | would you give them to a mutilate rogue over a warrior? |
| 01:27.56 | Groktar | just because he was a rogue? |
| 01:28.01 | Primer | yup |
| 01:28.06 | Groktar | that is fucking retarded |
| 01:28.13 | Groktar | the muti rogue would NEVER wear them |
| 01:28.14 | Groktar | EVER |
| 01:28.15 | Primer | that's the way the ball bounces |
| 01:28.44 | Primer | well, I suppose it'd be OS at that point |
| 01:28.52 | Primer | in which case both are free to roll |
| 01:29.02 | Primer | throws a RNG at Groktar |
| 01:29.11 | Groktar | sorry, your argument basically boils down to "because" |
| 01:29.23 | Groktar | like a 3rd grader on the playground |
| 01:30.28 | Megalon | and yours boils down to "BLIZZARD IS RETARDED, I DON'T LIKE YOU" |
| 01:30.46 | Primer | I don't know the specs of said item, but I do know that people often get pissed when someone rolls on something MS and it's not their top item material |
| 01:30.54 | Megalon | all the boiling makes me hungry :< |
| 01:31.00 | Primer | like druids rolling on cloth |
| 01:31.05 | Primer | or warriors on leather |
| 01:32.05 | Groktar | if it's not bis i wouldn't let them |
| 01:32.28 | Primer | Anyhow, that warrior didn't even know that was BiS for him. It was a non-warrior that brought it up, and it seems the warrior didn't even catch on, or agree |
| 01:32.36 | Groktar | heh |
| 01:32.59 | Primer | What's the name of the item? |
| 01:33.31 | Primer | gonna look at my headcount.lua to see who got it |
| 01:34.09 | Megalon | boils down |
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| 01:39.02 | Groktar | should be toskks maximized wristguards or astalsomething's something something |
| 01:40.41 | Primer | wtf, it's not there |
| 01:40.47 | Primer | unless it stored the ID |
| 01:40.56 | Primer | I see it in my Prat-3.0.lua |
| 01:41.30 | Primer | "/rw |cffa335ee|Hitem:50333:0:0:0:0:0:0:444687776:80|h[Toskk's Maximized Wristguards]|h|r roll", -- [993] |
| 01:41.43 | Primer | grep for 50333...nothing |
| 01:44.51 | Primer | meh, guess I'll have to wait til I get home |
| 01:45.51 | Primer | Addons only write into WTF, right? |
| 01:46.53 | Shadowed | Addons only write into their SV, which is in WTF |
| 01:47.57 | Primer | just making sure |
| 01:48.01 | DWSR | Shadowed: Hehehe. |
| 01:48.09 | Primer | odd that I can't grep for this |
| 01:48.21 | DWSR | Addons only write into their Silly Vaults, which is in What the Frak |
| 01:48.27 | Primer | maybe headcount wasn't enabled for that toon...I did go on my priest that night |
| 01:48.43 | DWSR | Why is the folder called wtf? |
| 01:48.57 | Primer | it's not a folder |
| 01:49.02 | Primer | it's a directory! |
| 01:49.49 | DWSR | Easy now, you might hurt yourself with that knowledge. |
| 01:50.00 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 037destiny * r7415 Citadel/Putricide.lua: add missing spellID |
| 01:51.14 | Primer | I now seem to recall seeing a lua error in my WTF/SV/HeadCount.lua recently |
| 01:51.20 | Primer | I wonder if the file got truncated |
| 01:54.43 | Aeyan | Groktar: This is also an argument mostly over the loot decisions of casual guilds or PUGs in particular |
| 01:55.19 | Aeyan | If the guild is progression focused enough that the master looter and other raid members knows what each class' BiS is, it probably wouldn't be a problem. |
| 01:55.22 | Primer | It's been argued in PUGs that BoE's should be rolled by everyone |
| 01:55.56 | Primer | so they can get a chance to make gold. That doesn't fly with my PUG. I tell them BoE's are MS, and expect to see the item equipped once looted |
| 01:56.32 | DWSR | Primer: I'm similar. |
| 01:56.39 | DWSR | If you want money, play the AH or do dailies |
| 01:57.27 | Primer | I run a weekly ICC pug, and we all pretty much know each other, as we've been running for the past 4 months or so now, since ToC |
| 01:57.53 | Primer | No one would risk losing their spot over such a thing |
| 01:58.26 | Primer | not like we're all that hot |
| 01:58.40 | Primer | 5/12 for a 3 hour run in ICC 25 |
| 01:59.27 | Primer | where 5 is Festergut |
| 02:00.10 | Primer | Anyhow, now that I know that bracer is BiS for warrior, I'll probably allow one to roll on it should it drop again |
| 02:00.24 | Primer | at the time it dropped I was not inclined to believe it |
| 02:06.09 | Primer | Is there any way to attach an event to mousing over a raid frame? |
| 02:06.27 | Arrowmaster | OnEnter |
| 02:06.54 | Primer | thanks |
| 02:08.24 | Groktar | just did his taxes and got happy refund |
| 02:10.22 | Primer | really would love to know what makes screen -dr hang on cygwin |
| 02:10.58 | Primer | maybe it's too much to expect to be able to ssh into a windows 7 box and have shit function normally |
| 02:11.48 | Shefki | Primer: First mistake, Windows, function, normally, same sentence. |
| 02:14.03 | Primer | touché |
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| 03:50.02 | quiescens | silly murlocs |
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| 08:47.57 | asmodai | heh, it's weekend again, but this time the update server is unreachable |
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| 08:52.24 | orionshock | so is the CC API server down? |
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| 08:59.54 | asmodai | orionshock: well, it sees which can be updated, just cannot CC or the addons. |
| 09:00.19 | nevcairiel | good that i don't care about the api server =) |
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| 09:14.42 | Groktar | devours nevcairiel's soul |
| 09:15.26 | Chosi | somebody fix curse! |
| 09:16.17 | asmodai | it's weekend again |
| 09:16.22 | Chosi | waits for the "i told you it's bad" sayers |
| 09:16.22 | asmodai | It's a feature. |
| 09:18.18 | asmodai | Not really, barring these interrupts it's quite nice |
| 09:18.43 | nevcairiel | curse and nice? |
| 09:18.47 | Chosi | despite the fact the client is a damn memory hog and not responsive at all |
| 09:18.53 | Chosi | and crap |
| 09:18.55 | asmodai | Oh come on. |
| 09:18.57 | Chosi | did i mention it's slow? |
| 09:19.06 | Chosi | oh and slow |
| 09:19.08 | asmodai | They still provide you with a free tool to update all your bloody addons. |
| 09:19.15 | Chosi | so did wowace ;) |
| 09:19.20 | asmodai | You get what you pay for. |
| 09:19.22 | nevcairiel | I bet he is using the 3.x client |
| 09:19.34 | Chosi | 4.0.1.66 |
| 09:19.38 | Chosi | i wish i was using the 3.x |
| 09:20.56 | Chosi | i really don't wanna flame it, but why does it take so long to open the client window from the taskbar? |
| 09:21.02 | Chosi | /info bar, whatever |
| 09:21.11 | Chosi | might be a win7 issue tho |
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| 09:36.13 | Shadowed | http://elitistarmory.com/ there you go vhaarr better description on EA :p |
| 09:41.54 | Torhal | Shadowed: Looks better than GeoCities. |
| 09:42.13 | Shadowed | I just looked at your face and did everything differently from that! |
| 09:42.22 | Torhal | Good call! |
| 09:51.26 | Kalroth | shadowed is the gearscore bug still there |
| 09:53.48 | Repo | 10deus-vox-encounters: 03kollektiv 07master * v456-39-gdb45416 / (5 files in 4 directories): [+20 commits] (16 truncated) |
| 09:53.50 | Repo | db45416: Sindragosa: Add Chilled to the Bone warning when stacks equal 4 |
| 09:53.51 | Repo | d65405a: Add - to character class in combine_encounters.rb |
| 09:53.53 | Repo | 39cb7a1: Sindragosa: Fix Instability on self timer on 25h |
| 09:53.54 | Repo | 8b99a47: Saurfang: Add prestart timer |
| 09:53.57 | asmodai | http://theinstance.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/DPSvsFestergut.jpg |
| 09:54.40 | Caleb| | I think arcane mages are higher |
| 09:55.15 | nevcairiel | rogues need a nerf |
| 09:55.23 | Kalroth | that chart is old, rogues did get nerfed |
| 09:55.56 | Caleb| | also elemental is way way higher |
| 09:57.17 | Kalroth | way higher than ~9k? :p |
| 09:59.02 | Caleb| | yep |
| 09:59.11 | asmodai | http://notdoppler.com/multitask.php |
| 09:59.13 | Caleb| | even one of our alt elemental shaman is around 10.5 11k |
| 10:01.28 | sb|work | baahh asmodai |
| 10:01.30 | sb|work | :) |
| 10:01.31 | asmodai | I wonder if a score of 69 is ok |
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| 10:01.40 | Chosi | rogues are fine |
| 10:01.43 | Chosi | move along |
| 10:01.44 | Chosi | :> |
| 10:01.45 | sb|work | i failed at 55 :p wrong button :/ |
| 10:02.05 | asmodai | sb|work: hahaha, yeah, the wasd vs arrow keys gets messed up at one point |
| 10:02.10 | Chosi | i failed at 17, i caught the spike with the blue box |
| 10:02.11 | Chosi | :D |
| 10:02.14 | sb|work | asmodai: yes... :p |
| 10:02.19 | sb|work | Chosi: thats what i did the first time :p |
| 10:02.28 | sb|work | (<3 reading :p) |
| 10:02.32 | Chosi | yup :> |
| 10:02.39 | Chosi | i was focusing on balancing that ball |
| 10:02.50 | Chosi | how should i READ at the same time? |
| 10:02.51 | Chosi | :P |
| 10:03.23 | quiescens | use one eye |
| 10:04.33 | asmodai | it pauses when the text pops up |
| 10:05.12 | asmodai | feeds Fisker to a Tyranid Lictor |
| 10:09.37 | nevcairiel | I always get confused and try to move the green thing with the arrow keys |
| 10:10.49 | asmodai | because it's right just like the arrow keys |
| 10:10.51 | asmodai | I guess at least |
| 10:10.53 | yoshimo | Shadowed if you have a character on your armory, wearing plate with int ,mp5 and stuff, you could switch from caster to healer ;) |
| 10:11.10 | Shadowed | There's no actual point in that |
| 10:11.17 | Shadowed | The item is identified how the item is |
| 10:11.19 | Shadowed | not by the class wearing it |
| 10:12.11 | yoshimo | ok, i just thought there is no platewearing caster except a holy pally |
| 10:12.52 | yoshimo | and the t10 pieces have even healboni in the setboni |
| 10:16.00 | quiescens | holyshock spam imo |
| 10:16.12 | Fisker | i don't feel so well asmodai :( |
| 10:17.07 | asmodai | Fisker: Stomach flu? |
| 10:17.17 | Repo | 10old-instance-finder: 03DrKazza * r5 .pkgmeta.txt: Removed libraries and added .pkgmeta for v0.9b |
| 10:17.26 | yoshimo | quiescens, im still not sure if i like the 4p bonus or not |
| 10:18.38 | Repo | 10old-instance-finder: 03DrKazza * r6 libs/: removed libs AGAIN! |
| 10:19.10 | quiescens | i don't know what the 4p bonus is |
| 10:19.24 | Fisker | naw asmodai |
| 10:19.30 | Fisker | going to sleep at 3am |
| 10:19.40 | quiescens | go to sleep |
| 10:20.03 | Fisker | i would if i could |
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| 10:25.55 | yoshimo | 4p bonus for holypaladins is reduced casttime for hl if you have casted a holyshock right before hl |
| 10:29.49 | Repo | 10old-instance-finder: 03Nevcairiel * r7 / (2 files in 1 directory): Fix .pkgmeta |
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| 10:59.04 | sb|work | Shadowed: you should support openid registration / login imo :p |
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| 11:20.22 | Repo | 10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Hegarol * r2586 / (5 files in 5 directories): - Alliance/Horde menu improvements |
| 11:28.37 | Groktar | jams pins between your toes |
| 11:34.42 | Repo | New addon: http://www.wowace.com/addons/old-instance-finder/. Old Instance Finder. DrKazza (Manager/Author). Approved by Torhal. |
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| 11:45.38 | Fisker | btw Shadowed |
| 11:45.55 | Fisker | why does combat fader or range indication fading also fade child units? |
| 11:46.01 | Fisker | You know that's madness don't you? |
| 11:46.47 | Repo | 10old-instance-finder: 03myrroddin * r8 / (6 files in 2 directories): fixed several file errors, including out of order listings |
| 11:46.49 | Repo | added localization support including LibBabble-Zone-3.0 and AceLocale-3.0 |
| 11:46.50 | Repo | adjusted toc file for no lib strip |
| 11:47.15 | Myrroddin | that should get drkazaa going... |
| 11:48.59 | haste | Fisker: alpha is inherited |
| 11:52.02 | Myrroddin | Fisker ... madness? THIS. IS. SPARTA!! |
| 11:52.47 | Fisker | your mother is inherited haste |
| 11:52.54 | Fisker | doesn't make it any less silly BOOM |
| 11:54.26 | haste | Fisker: blame blizzard, not Shadowed ! |
| 11:54.40 | Fisker | i would if i could |
| 11:56.24 | asmodai | Myrroddin: happened to see the Spartacus series on tv? |
| 11:56.40 | Myrroddin | every episode so far |
| 11:56.57 | asmodai | Myrroddin: It's so like 300, love it :D |
| 11:57.02 | Myrroddin | asmodai cool stuff |
| 11:57.22 | Myrroddin | and spartacus's wife is HOT |
| 11:57.36 | Myrroddin | the legget's wife is smoking as well |
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| 12:02.50 | asmodai | Myrroddin: yeah |
| 12:03.07 | asmodai | Myrroddin: saw ep1 yesterday and a small part of 2, ye gods, can you say orgy? |
| 12:03.48 | Myrroddin | oh those Romans..... |
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| 12:04.54 | asmodai | Myrroddin: hahaha, yeah, and indeed, she's hot |
| 12:05.57 | Myrroddin | asmodai i'm waiting for the lezzy scene between leggit's wifey and Xena.... don't know if it will ever happen, but I'm praying to Jupiter that it does... |
| 12:07.31 | nevcairiel | what now, a porn series? :P |
| 12:07.48 | asmodai | Myrroddin: hahahaha, I found that first start of ep2 quite an eye opener, guy gets sucked off by a slave or something and she gets groped |
| 12:07.52 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Spartacus |
| 12:08.14 | Myrroddin | Spartacus: Blood and Sand |
| 12:09.21 | nevcairiel | adds to download queue |
| 12:10.28 | nevcairiel | wonders if 700 ⬠for a new home theater sound system is too much |
| 12:10.45 | Myrroddin | asmodai: you need to check out Rome .. only lasted 2 seasons, but it was AWESOME |
| 12:11.31 | Myrroddin | nevcairiel: not if it is THX certified |
| 12:11.59 | nevcairiel | who cares about thx certs |
| 12:12.41 | asmodai | Myrroddin: Same style? |
| 12:12.59 | Myrroddin | asmodai: yes, but wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better written and acted |
| 12:13.38 | nevcairiel | I just want to get over all my analog equipment and go full digital |
| 12:14.30 | Myrroddin | nevcairiel: 700 euros is perfect if you are perfectly happy with what you get |
| 12:15.04 | nevcairiel | a proper AV Receiver, a new sound card with HDMI out for the HTPC, and a 5.1 set to get me started, with the option to add 2 more speakers for the full 7.1 |
| 12:15.25 | nevcairiel | my old 7.1 set is dying, i get some silly distortions randomly |
| 12:15.38 | nevcairiel | narrowed it down to the amp being at fault |
| 12:15.43 | nevcairiel | so i could even recycle some of the speakers |
| 12:16.41 | Myrroddin | .... and you asked "who cares" about THX certs.... you just gave a compelling reason for them. distortions? nah, don't need those with THX |
| 12:17.05 | nevcairiel | the old set is even thx certified, but its just old |
| 12:17.21 | quiescens | because something that's certified could never break |
| 12:17.39 | Myrroddin | didn't say that... |
| 12:18.04 | nevcairiel | plus its connected through analog connections and then amplified on top of that |
| 12:18.09 | nevcairiel | so its not perfect |
| 12:18.10 | Myrroddin | they can break. i didn't realized your set was old. i was thinking recent, and just going wonky |
| 12:19.07 | Myrroddin | asmodai: go watch Rome, then come back to us. we, any addon code you have, and the users can wait. |
| 12:19.19 | nevcairiel | I guess i could put off the new sound card for a while until i get my new tv |
| 12:19.24 | nevcairiel | and use the optical connection in the meantime |
| 12:20.55 | nevcairiel | needs more curse points |
| 12:21.10 | Myrroddin | still better than my stereo. i don't have one! |
| 12:21.33 | nevcairiel | watching a movie just requires good sound for me |
| 12:22.13 | Myrroddin | i agree. but i'm working to pay off some old bills, then get a new computer. after that, then things like the home theatre |
| 12:22.26 | quiescens | everyone just uses their computer/laptop with headphones/2 speakers anyway |
| 12:22.36 | nevcairiel | everyone is not me! |
| 12:22.38 | asmodai | Myrroddin: hahaha, haven't touched WoW in like three weeks already anyway |
| 12:23.01 | asmodai | I hate home entertainment sets. They lack so many features as opposed to the hifi towers I used to have :( |
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| 12:23.25 | nevcairiel | depends what you need/want, i guess |
| 12:23.38 | quiescens | probably features you would use to illegally misuse content! |
| 12:23.47 | Myrroddin | true. and I NEED a new 8 core Mac, dammit! |
| 12:26.11 | Pneumatus | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8539560.stm |
| 12:26.21 | Myrroddin | if i told you about my current rig, which is an antique by today's standards, most people would agree i do in fact need an 8 core mac... |
| 12:27.55 | Myrroddin | Pneumatus: wow, what a dumbass |
| 12:28.28 | Groktar | bludgeons Myrroddin and scampers off with his curse points |
| 12:28.57 | Myrroddin | LOL curse points? you must be joking. my addons are not that popular!! |
| 12:31.00 | Groktar | :p |
| 12:31.34 | olafski | you should at least have _some_ points :) |
| 12:31.55 | olafski | anyone know if I can have skada combine the damage done by "pets" into the players damage? preferrably healing from totems too :) |
| 12:33.22 | Myrroddin | Groktar: yes, i have some. not a lot, but some. what is really annoying is i'm not getting any for SmartRes2..... |
| 12:33.38 | olafski | I think you need to enable that stuff first |
| 12:33.41 | olafski | not sure though |
| 12:35.03 | Myrroddin | i'm getting points for my other two addons |
| 12:37.31 | olafski | I bet I have about 1.5 dollars in points by now |
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| 12:38.32 | Pneumatus | Myrroddin: still flagged experimental? |
| 12:38.53 | Myrroddin | Pneumatus: not as far as i can see |
| 12:39.38 | Myrroddin | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/smartres2.aspx ... http://www.wowace.com/addons/smartres2/ |
| 12:40.02 | Myrroddin | like a few other recent addons, SR2 isn't searchable on curse |
| 12:40.12 | Myrroddin | i wonder if they are related issues |
| 12:41.12 | Pneumatus | most likely |
| 12:41.18 | Pneumatus | if its not in CC you wont get points |
| 12:41.34 | Myrroddin | ah, but it IS in CC, and searchable there as well |
| 12:41.56 | Pneumatus | nfi then, someone would need to investigate i guess |
| 12:43.13 | Myrroddin | yep. i'll msn some curse dude tomorrow. i posted in the admin forum, but haven't got a response. other users/authors have seen the same thing with their addons.... i think the DB is bugged or not updated |
| 12:43.28 | nevcairiel | curse is always bugged and not updated |
| 12:43.35 | Gagorian | Doesn't it need like over 1000 downloads to be counted? Or is that just for premium |
| 12:43.46 | nevcairiel | i thought thats just for premium |
| 12:45.30 | asmodai | Fisker: got mah key |
| 12:45.37 | Myrroddin | i'm not worried about that. i have prem because i'm a curse mod, and even if i give that up/lose the position, my other addons are way over 1000 downloads |
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| 12:48.15 | Myrroddin | o_o deDE and ruRU updates, woot! |
| 12:51.18 | Pneumatus | hmm, yeh, smartres2 showing in cc4 with 28 installs |
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| 13:03.29 | Repo | 10old-instance-finder: 03myrroddin * r9 / (2 files in 1 directory): cleaned up some code to make it easier to read and bug fix |
| 13:04.10 | Myrroddin | right... OIF isn't my addon.. i gotta stop here LOL |
| 13:04.44 | Myrroddin | Pneumatus: see what I mean? i'll msn someone tomorrow and ask what's up |
| 13:08.09 | Myrroddin | Pneumatus: since you looked, what do you think of SR2? |
| 13:08.27 | Myrroddin | i've been asking that randomly for a week now.... seeking feedback |
| 13:08.28 | Pneumatus | havnt tried it yet, still using broken old sr1 |
| 13:12.18 | Myrroddin | you poor sod! sr1 is dead Jim. i'm not bug fixing or updating it anymore |
| 13:18.29 | Fisker | oh my asmodai |
| 13:24.26 | Myrroddin | great... wow critically crashed |
| 13:24.56 | Myrroddin | and every time it happens, i must reboot the computer, or wow won't load properly.... stupid friggin' windows |
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| 13:28.06 | asmodai | Fisker: whut? :) |
| 13:29.13 | Repo | 10smartres2: 03myrroddin * r92 / (2 files in 1 directory): fixed issue with texture setting not saved across logouts |
| 13:29.16 | Repo | deDE update and ruRU updates |
| 13:29.16 | Repo | added redundancy check for out of range to also check for unit dead |
| 13:31.46 | Repo | 10smartres2: 03myrroddin 04Beta 1.03 * r93 : Tagging as Beta 1.03 |
| 13:42.29 | olafski | I should install SR .. sounds useful |
| 13:44.38 | Pneumatus | faecrol autores button, win |
| 13:44.48 | Pneumatus | although in sr1 that rarely works ;) |
| 13:46.25 | Groktar | whacks Pneumatus' big toe with a hammer and scampers off |
| 13:48.55 | Repo | 10epgploot2: 03felsir * r58 / (4 files in 1 directory): |
| 13:48.57 | Repo | Fixed bug with alts. Added warning for invalid officer notes. |
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| 13:50.37 | Repo | Added warning for invalid officer notes. |
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| 14:12.20 | olafski | pneumatus: does it require other people to have it installed as well? |
| 14:12.41 | Pneumatus | no, but it works best when others have librescomm iirc |
| 14:12.50 | olafski | do many people have that? |
| 14:13.02 | olafski | I know many have libhealcomm (at least it looks like many people do) |
| 14:13.15 | nevcairiel | it comes with oRA and many raid frame mods |
| 14:13.36 | olafski | hm. think I still have ora.. dunno why though |
| 14:13.54 | Pneumatus | MT windows :) |
| 14:14.48 | olafski | yeah but nobody uses those.. if they aren't set up I don't see them |
| 14:15.10 | olafski | ctra used to be compulsory for raiding.. when I came back to wow it was ora2, but it seems nobody uses it anymore |
| 14:15.13 | nevcairiel | oRA3 uses blizzy tanks, so you can get MT windows without oRA .. just not sorted |
| 14:15.22 | olafski | hmm |
| 14:15.43 | olafski | I'm not sure even those are used by my gf's guild |
| 14:16.01 | nevcairiel | they usually use one of them |
| 14:16.07 | nevcairiel | ora2 or blizzy |
| 14:16.14 | olafski | they just shout on vent "X is tanking!" "now Y is tanking!" |
| 14:37.49 | harl | oO |
| 14:38.30 | asmodai | Fisker: oi |
| 14:40.43 | asmodai | Fisker: What on earth did you fill in with for that identifier? |
| 14:43.02 | Fisker | Fisker.fisker |
| 14:43.08 | asmodai | heh |
| 14:43.18 | asmodai | Guess I am not the only one that's stomped about it then :) |
| 14:44.38 | Fisker | wtf |
| 14:44.39 | Fisker | StarCraft II Beta - Patch 2 (version 0.4.0.14133) |
| 14:44.44 | asmodai | Fisker: done, added you, asmodai.asmodai |
| 14:44.47 | Fisker | wasn't it 0.2.0.xxxxx before? |
| 14:44.50 | asmodai | yes |
| 14:44.54 | asmodai | My install was 0.2 |
| 14:44.59 | asmodai | and I just saw it upgrade to 0.4 |
| 14:45.16 | Fisker | i don't get it |
| 14:45.21 | Fisker | they're nerfing Protoss to hell :o |
| 14:45.30 | Fisker | and buffing Terran to hell |
| 14:46.22 | asmodai | marines + marauder vs zealots = bye bye terran ;) |
| 14:47.33 | asmodai | Now to see which race to take online. Partial to Protoss since SC1. |
| 14:49.24 | Fisker | i suck at everything else pretty much |
| 14:49.48 | renchap | do you suck at sucking ? |
| 14:49.57 | Fisker | nope |
| 14:50.22 | Megalon | are the title on EJ by post count, or do admins give them out by hand |
| 14:50.25 | Megalon | titles :7 |
| 15:02.05 | Fisker | ~seen Kemayo |
| 15:02.08 | purl | kemayo is currently on #wowuidev (9d 8h 19m 30s) #wowace (9d 8h 19m 30s) #curseforge (9d 8h 19m 30s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 4d 9h 5m 41s, last said: 'Is there an addon out there which just adds item-quality glows to the character frame?'. |
| 15:03.31 | asmodai | Don't you love it when you are about to play something, someone always manages to call you? |
| 15:04.14 | asmodai | Fisker: weird that http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23240933862&sid=5010 is not updated |
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| 15:07.36 | Fisker | it's EU asmodai |
| 15:07.37 | Fisker | lolol |
| 15:07.55 | asmodai | Fisker: that's what my client linked to though |
| 15:08.32 | Fisker | aww sweet |
| 15:08.36 | Fisker | US CM came to visit us |
| 15:08.40 | Fisker | shame he locked the thread |
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| 15:13.29 | asmodai | ah |
| 15:13.30 | asmodai | http://www.starcraft2.com/launcher/patch-notes.htm |
| 15:14.53 | asmodai | heh, that mothership sure got a speed decrease |
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| 15:30.24 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 037destiny * r7416 Citadel/Putricide.lua: Fix goo ball timer |
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| 16:10.04 | Groktar | sends you his interweb connection |
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| 16:57.02 | arkanes | ~seen Shadowed |
| 16:57.04 | purl | shadowed is currently on #wowuidev (5h 13m 7s) #wowace (5h 13m 7s), last said: 'not by the class wearing it'. |
| 16:59.09 | arkanes | Shadowed: http://elitistarmory.com/US/Turalyon/kaylen, shows Dextrous Brighstone Ring as Clutch of Fortification, but it has the right tooltip. |
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| 17:53.48 | Fisker | ~seen Ackis |
| 17:53.49 | purl | ackis is currently on #sc2mapster (3d 21h 9m 30s) #wowuidev (3d 21h 9m 30s) #arl (3d 21h 9m 30s) #wowace (3d 21h 9m 30s) #curseforge (3d 21h 9m 30s). Has said a total of 553 messages. Is idling for 18h 44m 46s, last said: 'I hope you wet the bed'. |
| 17:53.56 | Fisker | Ackis my man |
| 17:53.57 | Fisker | be there |
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| 17:56.20 | koaschten | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=12730404058&sid=1 |
| 17:56.24 | sag_ich_nicht | thanks |
| 17:56.25 | koaschten | this is... disturbing |
| 17:56.30 | sag_ich_nicht | to whoever removed that |
| 18:01.34 | Fisker | how is it disturbing koaschten ? |
| 18:02.00 | koaschten | working man in the middle attack on authenticator secured accounts |
| 18:02.15 | Fisker | that's not man in the middle |
| 18:02.41 | Fisker | just usual keylogging and crashing WoW before the login is sent |
| 18:02.49 | koaschten | how would you describe it then when someone intercepts data and uses it within a minute |
| 18:03.01 | koaschten | because the auth number isnt valid for a longer timespan |
| 18:03.32 | Groktar | nibbles on koaschten's soul |
| 18:04.23 | Megalon | i'd say |
| 18:04.40 | Megalon | it was a man-at-the-3/8-point-attack |
| 18:05.14 | Fisker | moar like not man in the middle attack at all |
| 18:05.15 | Fisker | -attack |
| 18:05.27 | Fisker | also the authenticator token is valid for more than a minute |
| 18:05.43 | koaschten | whatever you want to call it, it intercepted the authenticator data, prevented it from being sent to the blizz auth server and relayed it to the person who wrote the malware |
| 18:05.58 | Fisker | It's not rocket science koaschten |
| 18:06.21 | koaschten | i never claimed it was |
| 18:06.33 | koaschten | i just said i found it disturbing to have something like that pop up |
| 18:06.52 | Fisker | It's been theorized since the day the authenticator got out |
| 18:06.59 | sag_ich_nicht | hey Fisker |
| 18:07.04 | Fisker | hey sag_ich_nicht |
| 18:07.10 | sag_ich_nicht | look I'm here. |
| 18:07.14 | koaschten | yes, and it took them 2 years to come up with malware that made use of it... |
| 18:07.22 | Fisker | nah |
| 18:07.27 | sag_ich_nicht | http://pastey.net/133554 isn't this cool? |
| 18:07.32 | Fisker | This is not the first incident of it |
| 18:07.33 | sag_ich_nicht | i get it for every single BWL boss module |
| 18:07.48 | Fisker | and the one like half a year ago probably wasn't either |
| 18:07.53 | Fisker | you suck sag_ich_nicht |
| 18:07.57 | koaschten | Fisker it is the first i heard of and the first being acknowledge by blue |
| 18:09.00 | Fisker | "I'm going to take a look" = "I'm going to take a look" and not an acknowledgement anyway :) |
| 18:09.16 | Fisker | Anyway you should browse more on the in-game customer support forum then |
| 18:09.34 | Fisker | there's a few mentioned there, but probably more than that given all the people who don't use the forums |
| 18:10.22 | Fisker | anyways should be somewhat easy to work around |
| 18:10.48 | Fisker | If a login is attempted but never finalized, simply lockout the authenticator token |
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| 18:13.53 | arkanes | koaschten: traditionally, a mitm attack refers to a network intercept. If it does it by locally proxying on the same maching you're connecting from, it's a form of local exploit, because you have access to resources the remote attacker doesn't have |
| 18:15.44 | sag_ich_nicht | hm |
| 18:15.54 | arkanes | but yeah authenticators have been known to not be proof against real time keylogging attacks |
| 18:15.59 | sag_ich_nicht | that method might explain how I got my account data stolen last week |
| 18:16.13 | Fisker | it can't be that hard to fix though |
| 18:16.18 | arkanes | sure it can |
| 18:16.22 | arkanes | it's basically impossible |
| 18:16.32 | Fisker | naw |
| 18:16.40 | arkanes | in the end, if the attacker controls the client machine, they control the client machine. |
| 18:16.42 | koaschten | one of the easier ways to make it more secure would be an ingame grafical keypad with changing number locations :X |
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| 18:16.51 | Fisker | well they could always do something new |
| 18:16.55 | Fisker | But this itself should be fixable |
| 18:17.02 | arkanes | sure, you can keep escalating the arms race |
| 18:17.02 | sag_ich_nicht | heh |
| 18:17.10 | arkanes | but there's no final winning line |
| 18:17.12 | koaschten | yeah, deleting said "emcor.dll" fixes the issue |
| 18:17.19 | sag_ich_nicht | you can make it secure |
| 18:17.23 | Fisker | Well as far as i can think the next step from there will be duplicating the client |
| 18:17.26 | sag_ich_nicht | you just have to have WoW attach to GINA |
| 18:17.34 | sag_ich_nicht | and bring up a GINA secured interface on logon |
| 18:17.36 | sag_ich_nicht | x) |
| 18:17.41 | arkanes | sag_ich_nicht: if you were attacked this wya, its because someone has full control over your machine, so I would take strong measures to disinfect it |
| 18:17.50 | sag_ich_nicht | arkanes: yes I realize that |
| 18:17.55 | arkanes | gina isn't secure against a local attack |
| 18:18.00 | Fisker | But consider this: The keylogger detects you login, and redirects/stop the login |
| 18:18.01 | sag_ich_nicht | GINA should still be secure unless they take ring 0 |
| 18:18.06 | Fisker | But the login still takes place |
| 18:18.09 | arkanes | because an attacker can hook gina in exactly the same way that wow can |
| 18:18.15 | koaschten | what makes it really strange, usually there is never a /temp in your appdata folder |
| 18:18.26 | sag_ich_nicht | arkanes: if brought up via ctrl+alt+del it's more secure than standard login |
| 18:18.30 | arkanes | sag_ich_nicht: nah, you only need regular admin rights to install a gina hook. You need to social engineer a reboot but thats all |
| 18:18.33 | arkanes | no it isn't |
| 18:18.36 | Fisker | If Blizzard, every time someone attempts a login that doesn't complete, lockout the current keytoken |
| 18:18.36 | arkanes | thats a common misconception |
| 18:18.45 | sag_ich_nicht | of course, if he has ring 0 access, it's pointless :P |
| 18:19.07 | arkanes | you don't need ring 0, just admin access |
| 18:19.25 | sag_ich_nicht | to install your own gina hook, true |
| 18:19.27 | arkanes | also you can intercept ctrl-alt-del from userspace, have been able to forever |
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| 18:19.45 | sag_ich_nicht | [19:18] <Fisker> If Blizzard, every time someone attempts a login that doesn't complete, lockout the current keytoken <--that doesn't need help if the intercept the key before it goes to the server |
| 18:20.03 | Fisker | They can't unless they fake the whole login |
| 18:20.07 | Fisker | Which is what i said above |
| 18:20.18 | arkanes | Fisker: thats not what the attack is |
| 18:20.23 | Fisker | Then what is it? |
| 18:20.24 | Repo | 10libfail-1-0: 03Maat * r210 LibFail-1.0.lua: fix boss names that were added incorrectly |
| 18:20.27 | arkanes | Fisker: the attack is to intercept the login credentials, then crash wow |
| 18:20.33 | Fisker | yeah |
| 18:20.47 | arkanes | user restarts & logs back in none the wiser, "computers are like that" |
| 18:20.49 | arkanes | but you're already in |
| 18:21.07 | Fisker | And that's where i say that the current keycodes are just blocked out |
| 18:21.16 | Fisker | If it's a real crash, too bad he can login again in a minute |
| 18:21.18 | arkanes | how are they blocked out? |
| 18:21.26 | arkanes | blizz never even knew you tried to log in |
| 18:21.33 | sag_ich_nicht | but no keycode ever gets there |
| 18:21.34 | koaschten | and what i read, it makes it even worse, because it blocks the account administration webinterface too as long as the dll is present |
| 18:21.35 | Fisker | Yes they did |
| 18:21.44 | sag_ich_nicht | actually, what blizzard could do |
| 18:21.47 | sag_ich_nicht | and SHOULD do |
| 18:22.09 | sag_ich_nicht | is kill all keys that were generated in ticks previous to the currently entered keycode |
| 18:22.27 | arkanes | thats not how the keygen algorithm works |
| 18:22.29 | sag_ich_nicht | so a key from 5 seconds ago isn't valid anymore if you enter a current one |
| 18:22.39 | arkanes | which is also a problem with Fiskers method |
| 18:22.51 | koaschten | sag_ich_nicht why would you have to do that if the keys have a limited TTL anyway? |
| 18:22.53 | sag_ich_nicht | arkanes: doesn't it just use salt+timestamp arkanes? |
| 18:23.11 | Repo | 10ensidiafails: 03Maat * r219 EnsidiaFails.lua: |
| 18:23.12 | sag_ich_nicht | koaschten: it would invalidate the stolen key the moment the user logs on |
| 18:23.13 | Repo | change how the options tables are being generated (still need some more prettifying) |
| 18:23.21 | sag_ich_nicht | thus cuts the attack window into a very small one |
| 18:23.23 | koaschten | which wouldnt help at all |
| 18:23.27 | koaschten | because the malware is still present |
| 18:23.31 | koaschten | and would pass on that key |
| 18:23.33 | koaschten | and the next |
| 18:23.38 | koaschten | until the malware is removed |
| 18:23.48 | Fisker | yeah |
| 18:23.55 | Fisker | and he would go like "I better check this out" |
| 18:24.02 | Fisker | and he finds out that he has a keylogger |
| 18:24.12 | Fisker | he solves the problem and logs in again with no characters harmed |
| 18:24.18 | sag_ich_nicht | and the moment he does that, he kills the keys the blackhat has |
| 18:24.27 | koaschten | how many people are tech savvy enough to find a dll they never heard of before |
| 18:24.34 | koaschten | that is not detected by their antivirus |
| 18:24.40 | Fisker | that's what tech support is for |
| 18:24.42 | koaschten | and does strange stuff on their system |
| 18:24.46 | sag_ich_nicht | true, but they might try logging on from another system |
| 18:25.23 | koaschten | you gotta give props to Zarakiteque that he even looked into the crashlog to figure out the dll, then delete it and see that all is back to working normal |
| 18:25.37 | Fisker | true |
| 18:25.45 | arkanes | Fisker: were you referring to the fact that your account name is sent to the auth server before it knows whether or not to ask you for the authenticator? |
| 18:25.51 | koaschten | which is a pity, because blizzard surely would have loved to have a copy for analysis |
| 18:26.02 | Fisker | yes arkanes |
| 18:26.08 | koaschten | arkanes thats how it is working currently |
| 18:26.12 | arkanes | yes |
| 18:26.16 | koaschten | but 3.3.3 will send all 3 at once ... |
| 18:26.26 | Fisker | oh yeah |
| 18:26.27 | koaschten | user, pw and auth |
| 18:26.28 | arkanes | WoWs handshake is well known (and it wouldn't be hard to reverse anyway) |
| 18:26.28 | Fisker | doh |
| 18:26.41 | arkanes | I suspect that they'll actually still do the 2 stage auth |
| 18:26.49 | koaschten | you can login with user + pass + auth |
| 18:27.05 | Fisker | That's actually stupid as hell |
| 18:27.08 | koaschten | but it still works with user + pass -> login -> auth on the ptr |
| 18:27.16 | Fisker | Just program your keylogger to look for 6 digits |
| 18:27.20 | Fisker | cut off connection |
| 18:27.21 | koaschten | because its a habit of me to enter password -> hit return |
| 18:27.23 | koaschten | ;) |
| 18:27.29 | koaschten | Fisker fail |
| 18:27.29 | Fisker | you got user + pw + authenticator code |
| 18:27.32 | Fisker | and he can't do shit |
| 18:27.33 | koaschten | mobile auth is 8 digits |
| 18:27.47 | Fisker | they can probably figure something out |
| 18:27.49 | arkanes | you don't even have to be that brute force |
| 18:28.24 | arkanes | there's nothing that you can do to win, in the end, against a compromised machine |
| 18:28.53 | arkanes | you can make it require more sophistication and be easier to detect but it's just like piracy, in the end, they have control of that machine and its the one running the code |
| 18:28.54 | Fisker | true |
| 18:29.44 | Fisker | lol |
| 18:29.54 | Fisker | "I can imagine how this was done. I had previously theorised (Though not shared with anyone) how the authenticator could be circumvented ~easily." |
| 18:29.58 | Fisker | durr |
| 18:30.22 | robotusch | hurr |
| 18:30.24 | arkanes | I hate the amateur security experts who always show up in these threads :\ |
| 18:30.45 | Fisker | robotusch msn |
| 18:30.59 | robotusch | I use and authenticator for 2+ years now and I just got hacked. <- mighty impressive, haven't they only been around for like a year? |
| 18:31.13 | Fisker | 1½ i think |
| 18:31.21 | Fisker | It was after blizzcon 2008 i think |
| 18:31.22 | robotusch | :| |
| 18:31.23 | Fisker | it as introduced |
| 18:31.25 | arkanes | I've seen an interesting identification system that identifies you by your input patterns |
| 18:31.27 | Fisker | was* |
| 18:31.41 | wink | at one point, with enough social engineering they'll just get control of your mobile auth on your phone |
| 18:31.43 | arkanes | common typos, key input rate, stuff like that |
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| 18:32.17 | Fisker | oh well |
| 18:32.25 | Fisker | the best defense: don't be stupid on the internet |
| 18:32.35 | arkanes | and don't make enemies |
| 18:32.52 | robotusch | Hard when you're Fisker |
| 18:32.58 | arkanes | real time stealing like this is hard to do in an automated fashion, most of the people hit by it are probably being specifically targetted |
| 18:33.08 | arkanes | also don't use your wow nick on IRC :P |
| 18:33.22 | notrobotusch | :3 |
| 18:33.27 | wink | "wow nick" |
| 18:33.33 | wink | that is wrong on so many levels |
| 18:33.45 | arkanes | what would you call a characters name if not a nick? |
| 18:33.52 | wink | it's not a nick |
| 18:33.56 | arkanes | sure it is |
| 18:33.58 | wink | it's the only name the char got |
| 18:34.06 | wink | maybe it's "your" nick |
| 18:34.09 | wink | when you take on that role |
| 18:34.20 | wink | but the "char" in rp/ingame sense has only this |
| 18:34.21 | arkanes | note the presence of the word "your" in my sentence! |
| 18:34.33 | wink | well, my wow nick is Armagon |
| 18:34.37 | wink | on EU-Aggramar |
| 18:34.44 | wink | gl gettign anything of this info |
| 18:34.47 | notrobotusch | goes to log some keys |
| 18:34.47 | arkanes | omg stealinz your keyz |
| 18:34.48 | wink | what you mean: |
| 18:34.59 | wink | a) don't publish your battle-net email |
| 18:35.07 | arkanes | thats actually not what I meant at all |
| 18:35.09 | wink | b) (now obsolete) don't publish your accname |
| 18:35.11 | arkanes | but okay |
| 18:35.19 | wink | c) don't make a char with your accountname |
| 18:35.29 | wink | which is basically silly, as well |
| 18:35.39 | arkanes | what I meant, was, if you're going to be an IRC troll don't give people the info to link that to your wow account |
| 18:35.41 | wink | because almost every "username" is public |
| 18:35.50 | wink | well, I just did |
| 18:35.53 | arkanes | sure |
| 18:36.20 | wink | notrobotusch: you're doing it wrong |
| 18:36.29 | notrobotusch | :( |
| 18:36.54 | wink | do you have a rogue named robogue btw? :D |
| 18:37.01 | notrobotusch | nope |
| 18:37.04 | wink | or roborrior |
| 18:37.10 | notrobotusch | nope |
| 18:37.13 | wink | :( |
| 18:37.15 | notrobotusch | I do have a warrior tho |
| 18:37.16 | wink | sounds awesome |
| 18:37.51 | notrobotusch | given up levelling him for now, apparently being in Dragonblight adds an extra 2-3 secs to every instant ability >_> |
| 18:39.52 | Fisker | notrobotusch |
| 18:39.54 | Fisker | hej |
| 18:41.28 | wink | why that? |
| 18:41.32 | wink | I never had problems in DB |
| 18:42.08 | Repo | 10ensidiafails: 03Maat * r220 EnsidiaFails.lua: fix default profile values |
| 18:42.37 | notrobotusch | Just Ravencrash being fail |
| 18:42.50 | wink | any ideas how to 2man Skeram? |
| 18:42.56 | notrobotusch | started like 4 hours ago :/ |
| 18:42.57 | wink | the MC is dumb |
| 18:44.39 | yoshimo | who exactly does he mc? |
| 18:45.51 | wink | depends |
| 18:46.00 | wink | in the 2 tries, the healer |
| 18:46.10 | wink | and as I'm a rogue, I don't survive that |
| 18:48.36 | arkanes | he won't MC his tank |
| 18:48.37 | yoshimo | i have noticed that tanking hakkar with a hunter pet and t5 bonus makes it way easier if you 2man him |
| 18:48.43 | arkanes | aside from that, I belive its fair game |
| 18:49.10 | arkanes | a lot of bosses with MC mechanics are easier to solo than to duo |
| 18:54.05 | Arrowmaster | unless you are a pet class |
| 19:08.59 | arkanes | huh logged into PTR without authenticator |
| 19:09.22 | Repo | 10bad-boy: 03funkydude * r458 BadBoy.lua: |
| 19:09.23 | Repo | bugfix yesterdays commit that pretty much let all spam through. |
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| 19:36.31 | arkanes | huh how long as the blizz UI had a buggrabber like thing? |
| 19:36.49 | sb|work | uhm, 3.2? |
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| 19:51.08 | Killmore | is update addon using curse client is working for you ? |
| 19:52.17 | Kemayo | Fisker: You ~seened? |
| 19:52.28 | Repo | 10all-played-laotseu: 03LaoTseu 0430300-2-beta-5 * r206 : Tagging as 30300-2-beta-5 |
| 19:52.30 | Repo | (About) time for a new beta |
| 19:53.37 | Fisker | yeah i did Kemayo |
| 19:53.45 | Fisker | you have a problem with that? |
| 19:56.06 | Kemayo | No... but it does normally imply that you might have a question. :P |
| 19:57.06 | Fisker | well i did |
| 19:57.15 | Fisker | I was like "How come this stupid thing is wrong?" |
| 19:57.26 | Fisker | Because it was 240% speed when i was expected 230% |
| 19:57.32 | Fisker | But then i saw i had crusader aura on :( |
| 19:57.47 | Fisker | broker_speed i'm talking about btw :P |
| 19:59.20 | Kemayo | :D |
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| 20:11.15 | wink | paladin fail |
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| 20:56.17 | Repo | 10debuff-alarm: 03starlon * r69 Localization_deDE.lua: DebuffAlarm: |
| 20:56.35 | Repo | - Update for German translations |
| 21:02.36 | wink | does [target=mouseover] work for pointing at grid, for example |
| 21:02.38 | wink | ? |
| 21:02.51 | haste | y |
| 21:02.53 | wink | because iirc that changes the tooltip |
| 21:02.54 | wink | k thanjs |
| 21:03.08 | haste | you can also use @mouseover instead now |
| 21:03.20 | Gagorian | It works for any unitframe really |
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| 21:09.01 | Repo | 10dr-damage: 03Gagorian * r1339 / (10 files in 3 directories): |
| 21:09.03 | Repo | - The 5% Crusader Strike damage bonus of PvP retridin gloves is additive. |
| 21:09.04 | Repo | - Avenger's Shield AP and SP coefficients are 9.1% instead of 7% like the Blizzard tooltip claims |
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| 21:37.56 | Repo | 10grid2: 03Gaff3 06options * r329 Options/GridIndicators.lua: Update to r316 to undo the list changes... |
| 21:44.08 | Repo | 10debuff-alarm: 03starlon * r70 DebuffAlarm.toc: DebuffAlarm: |
| 21:44.10 | Repo | - Bump toc |
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| 22:09.14 | Funkeh` | curse slow/down for anyone else? |
| 22:10.41 | Pneumatus^ | no worse than usual for me |
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| 23:01.00 | Pneumatus^ | nevcairiel: 1x Quartz-3.0.2\CastBarTemplate.lua:227: attempt to perform arithmetic on local 'startTime' (a nil value) |
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| 23:04.48 | DWSR | Funkeh`: Yes. |
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| 23:22.20 | Killmore | Funkeh`: for me it doesnt work, cant login |
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| 23:34.53 | Repo | 10broker_damagepercentmodifier: 03Maat * r2 / (3 files in 1 directory): initial import |
| 23:36.38 | kandarz | Cairenn, wowinterface people, et. al: How would a WoW email spammer get my email address from Wowinterface (an email address only used on wowi) when I've set WowInterface settings to not receive email from other users and I can't find any other way to get it. |
| 23:37.21 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29020 |
| 23:37.45 | Cairenn | specifically: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=177700&postcount=44 |
| 23:38.37 | Cairenn | and http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=172466&postcount=17 |
| 23:39.04 | Cairenn | sorry =/ |
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| 23:43.03 | kandarz | Ah, guess I don't remember that news post. Thanks for the links |
| 23:43.39 | Cairenn | you're welcome |
| 23:51.15 | Wobin | curse havin issues? |
| 23:59.42 | Superfly_ | hm is there any way to check if the unit has a particular spellid up? |
