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| 00:49.27 | orionshock | tlund: you really should get AL anyways |
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| 01:54.22 | orionshock | do the wowace servers for git use ssh? |
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| 02:16.58 | Repo | 10recountguessedabsorbs: 03Elsia * r22 GuessedAbsorbs_Mode.lua: |
| 02:17.00 | Repo | - Fixed bug causing "Took Damage From" not being properly located in Recount's localization. |
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| 04:42.34 | Daduke1 | Heh, just had another actually great idea... I realize some of them are rather not so good but I do think this one is worthwhile consider. Basically, the idea is a addon or something for gladius (or a stand alone) but it would be a gladius style mod for totems. With the changes to totems and having to manually kill them there needs to be an easier way to quickly and efficient kill totems. |
| 04:45.41 | Daduke1 | You could then quickly and easily see what totems are up and use a mouse over macro to kill them |
| 04:52.12 | Daduke1 | hmmm and the channel is silent |
| 04:52.14 | Daduke1 | damn |
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| 05:08.24 | Daduke1 | so anyone around at all |
| 05:22.50 | Daduke1 | hmmmmmmmmm |
| 05:26.48 | Daduke1 | :S |
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| 06:15.20 | theoddone33 | Elmoe: we need a way to record in combat log what mark someone had when they die |
| 06:15.50 | theoddone33 | and then mod recount to record it... heh |
| 06:26.46 | asmodai | Daduke1: Totally not interesting. If you have an unit frame addon like Pitbull it shows which totems are active with a timer above your character portrait. |
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| 06:33.51 | asmodai | C'est Whitetooth_ |
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| 06:55.51 | Repo | 10speedyactions: 03Shadowed 07master * 1.1-release-4-g615339c / (7 files in 2 directories): [+3 commits] |
| 06:55.53 | Repo | 615339c: Localization update |
| 06:55.54 | Repo | 345cc01: Redid bindings to not require specific support for every single action bar mod out there, still needs some extra support for manual clicking unbound actions, but less to maintain this way |
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| 07:04.33 | Elmoe | theoddone33: you can tell in World of Logs afterwards |
| 07:04.48 | theoddone33 | ah cool |
| 07:04.57 | quiescens | o.o |
| 07:05.14 | Elmoe | WoL has a simple query language you can use against your logs |
| 07:05.18 | Elmoe | I can show you after raid if you want |
| 07:05.24 | theoddone33 | sure |
| 07:05.34 | theoddone33 | it'd be nice in failbot-like mod form |
| 07:05.40 | Elmoe | yeah def |
| 07:05.42 | theoddone33 | just to track "trends" |
| 07:05.48 | Elmoe | I can tell you the trends already hah |
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| 07:13.38 | theoddone33 | ahh eavesdrop also shows it |
| 07:15.52 | quiescens | theoddone33: don't all their auras do a "fades from" event in the combat log when someone dies? |
| 07:16.21 | theoddone33 | it's not about detecting when someone dies, I'm sure that's easy, it's about detecting what mark they had on them when they died |
| 07:16.37 | Repo | 10diminishingreturns: 03Adirelle 07master * v1.0-beta-6-6-g0ae71a1 / (3 files in 2 directories): [+3 commits] |
| 07:16.39 | Repo | 0ae71a1: Slightly changed AddonLoader option description. |
| 07:16.40 | Repo | 71146dd: README update. |
| 07:16.41 | Repo | 376fa14: Fixed flawed logic in XPerl support that caused a bug with focus frame. |
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| 09:01.28 | Repo | 10sell-o-matic: 03Silmano 04v1.1.19 * 7dc5d9d /: [new tag, +1 commits] |
| 09:01.30 | Repo | - Updated list filter to allow "'". |
| 09:01.31 | Repo | - Updated locales. |
| 09:08.32 | evl | Any easy way to figure out my currently equipped item set? |
| 09:08.53 | evl | I imagine one could compare the currently equipped table with the one in each set but it seems expensive |
| 09:09.27 | vhaarr | unfortunately it's the only way |
| 09:09.47 | vhaarr | there's some code in closetgnome that does just that |
| 09:09.47 | asmodai | throws Tim Tams at Wobin |
| 09:11.35 | Wobin | huzzah |
| 09:11.57 | asmodai | Wobin: How's it down under? |
| 09:12.16 | Wobin | cool for the moment =) |
| 09:15.15 | Repo | 10sell-o-matic: 03Silmano 07master * v1.1.18-1-g56a333e / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] v1.1.19 |
| 09:16.57 | Repo | 10sell-o-matic: 03Silmano 04v1.1.20 * d8a3281 /: [new tag] v1.1.20 |
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| 09:22.05 | Repo | 10sell-o-matic: 03Silmano 07master * v1.1.20-1-g1ce5386 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] v1.1.21 |
| 09:22.23 | Repo | 10sell-o-matic: 03Silmano 04v1.1.21 * fb4cb0f /: [new tag] v1.1.21 |
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| 09:26.53 | asmodai | And Elkano's here too as well as the Bibi |
| 09:27.03 | Elkano | :? |
| 09:27.16 | asmodai | Herro |
| 09:28.45 | Bibi | gives asmodai some attention |
| 09:28.48 | Bibi | goes back to work |
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| 09:29.23 | Blubb1911 | hi |
| 09:31.37 | asmodai | Haha |
| 09:31.46 | asmodai | Bibi: Merci beaucoup! |
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| 09:38.37 | Repo | 10sell-o-matic: 03Silmano 07master * v1.1.21-1-gfe78f57 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] v1.1.22 |
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| 09:41.30 | Blubb1911 | do someone know a good ace2 or 3 tutorial, documentation, wiki for developers? |
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| 09:46.02 | Trela | There is one on the WoWAce web site under the Ace project. |
| 09:50.58 | stolen|school | http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/api/ |
| 09:56.23 | Blubb1911 | thanks a lot =D |
| 10:02.27 | stolen|school | np |
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| 11:18.41 | Celess | packager down? |
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| 11:23.06 | Celess | have serious bug fix, ned file aproved: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/tell-track/files/ |
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| 11:32.01 | Celess | can wobbin aprove files? |
| 11:32.10 | Celess | and hi |
| 11:39.03 | Torhal | Celess: You're lucky - I happened to hop on before going to work. |
| 11:39.05 | Torhal | Approved. |
| 11:41.40 | Repo | 10recountfailbot: 03Maat * r23 / (4 files in 1 directory): - Add Basic Filtering Options |
| 11:42.03 | Celess | is a lucky bear |
| 11:42.07 | Celess | thank you |
| 11:42.25 | Celess | btw what happens for peoel that try nolib installs and ther is nto a nolib package? |
| 11:55.25 | Wobin | it fails |
| 11:55.35 | Wobin | unless they have the libraries installed normally |
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| 12:17.18 | mitch0 | hateses browser-checker hacks |
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| 14:53.37 | Kaelten | g'morning |
| 14:54.00 | Kaelten | I found out why the packager isn't coming on line the last few days |
| 14:54.06 | Kaelten | but it doesn't make any sense |
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| 14:57.06 | Fisker | ubuntu? |
| 15:07.29 | Megalon | bad Kaelten |
| 15:07.42 | Megalon | you should have known that 'not making sense' always calls Fisker |
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| 15:07.51 | Kaelten | lol |
| 15:09.30 | Fisker | i'm going to sexually harass you Megalon |
| 15:10.03 | Megalon | a mouth has no gender |
| 15:10.08 | Megalon | so you are welcome |
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| 15:35.15 | asmodai | Kaelten: Why? |
| 15:35.37 | Kaelten | asmodai: os.kill(5555, 0) isn't raising an error which means 5555 should be a valid pid |
| 15:35.48 | Kaelten | howeer, ps aux | grep 5555 shows no running processes with that pid |
| 15:36.16 | asmodai | Kaelten: Python code? |
| 15:36.25 | Kaelten | yes |
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| 15:36.32 | Kaelten | I have a stackoverflow question out about it, but so far no response |
| 15:36.40 | Kaelten | but that's why it's failing to start properly in the mornings |
| 15:36.53 | Ackis | give it coffee |
| 15:36.58 | Ackis | that helps a lot of people start |
| 15:37.03 | Mikk | aye |
| 15:37.12 | Mikk | though i hear routers & coffee don't mix |
| 15:37.23 | Mikk | guildie's daughter fed his dsl router some |
| 15:37.45 | Mikk | i didn't learn about that until a couple of days later, naturally |
| 15:37.49 | Mikk | i just wondered where he was |
| 15:38.41 | Kaelten | lol |
| 15:39.10 | asmodai | os.kill() calls the POSIX kill() function, now if the PID can't be found it would return ESRCH |
| 15:40.26 | asmodai | And thus cause an exception |
| 15:40.45 | asmodai | OSError in this case. |
| 15:41.06 | asmodai | Any chance some higher up catch is picking it up and taking care of it? |
| 15:42.14 | kadrahil | for i in `ps ax | grep Kaelten | cut -d' ' -f1` ; do kill -9 $i ; done |
| 15:42.17 | kadrahil | giggles |
| 15:42.25 | Kaelten | uhm.... no |
| 15:42.38 | kadrahil | :( |
| 15:42.41 | Kaelten | asmodai that's what I'm expecting to happen |
| 15:42.54 | kadrahil | i was kidding! obviously |
| 15:43.03 | Kaelten | asmodai but python -c 'import os; os.kill(5555, 0)' doesn't show the oserror |
| 15:43.12 | Megalon | greps kadrahil |
| 15:43.13 | Kaelten | kadrahil: lol, ya, still gave me the shivers |
| 15:43.20 | kadrahil | gasps |
| 15:43.31 | kadrahil | Kaelten: hehe |
| 15:43.51 | Megalon | googles |
| 15:44.03 | kadrahil | i suppose that should've been a ps aux and -f2 |
| 15:44.06 | kadrahil | instead of ps ax and -f1 |
| 15:44.07 | kadrahil | :O |
| 15:46.19 | asmodai | Kaelten: that's odd |
| 15:46.21 | asmodai | Kaelten: since this: |
| 15:46.34 | asmodai | #if defined(PYOS_OS2) && !defined(PYCC_GCC) |
| 15:46.36 | asmodai | [snip] |
| 15:46.43 | asmodai | #else |
| 15:46.43 | asmodai | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.43 | asmodai | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.06 | asmodai | I am sincerely hoping PYCC_GCC is a cross-compiler |
| 15:47.40 | asmodai | Kaelten: that return posix_error() should trigger, otherwise it would only do: |
| 15:47.46 | asmodai | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.46 | asmodai | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.23 | asmodai | Oh wait, !defined PYCC_GCC *phew* |
| 15:48.23 | asmodai | yeah, that ought to trigger the POSIX code. |
| 15:48.32 | Kaelten | asmodai: so it seems that the posix kill function is not return -1 |
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| 15:48.45 | asmodai | Kaelten: that's what it looks like it |
| 15:48.57 | Kaelten | I'm most definatley seeing the Py_None return |
| 15:49.25 | asmodai | Although, mmm |
| 15:49.35 | asmodai | I wonder if os.kill == posix.kill |
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| 15:49.53 | asmodai | checks |
| 15:50.27 | Kaelten | os.kill == posix.kill |
| 15:50.52 | Kaelten | ya looks like os.kill is just an alias for posix.kill |
| 15:51.03 | asmodai | ok |
| 15:51.16 | Kaelten | what I'm trying to find out is if a given pid is running |
| 15:51.30 | Kaelten | the only way I've seen to do so is by sending signal 0 to is by os.kill(pid, 0) |
| 15:51.35 | Kaelten | and if it doesn't error it's good |
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| 15:54.09 | stolenlegacy | hmm |
| 15:55.07 | stolenlegacy | http://paste.wowace.com/1467/ <-- this error occurs when loading my addon together with recount, it seems |
| 15:55.30 | asmodai | Kaelten: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/154132/ |
| 15:55.34 | stolenlegacy | looks to me like AceDB-3.0 generates an infinity loop for some reason, causing stack overflow |
| 15:56.42 | asmodai | Kaelten: Might it be tripping the return NULL? |
| 15:57.01 | Kaelten | well shouldn't that code only be running os OS2 |
| 15:57.13 | asmodai | the higher up on |
| 15:57.14 | asmodai | one |
| 15:57.15 | Kaelten | or are you meaning the one where it tries to parse |
| 15:57.24 | asmodai | Aye, the parsing one. |
| 15:57.33 | Mikk | the actual error would be at the bottom |
| 15:57.33 | Kaelten | what's "ii:kill" |
| 15:57.35 | Kaelten | mean? |
| 15:57.42 | asmodai | int int: kill |
| 15:58.05 | asmodai | So it tries to see if it got two ints for this function |
| 15:58.11 | asmodai | at least, that's my understanding |
| 15:58.31 | Mikk | stolenlegacy: errrrrr what the heck does your defaults look like? |
| 15:59.03 | Kaelten | wouldn't PyArg_ParseTuple end up as an error condition if it failed there? |
| 15:59.24 | Mikk | because if you follow that codepath, you'll see that it loops on encountering a table in the defaults and then recursing into itself |
| 15:59.32 | Kaelten | just as a guess a NULL return triggers the invalid arguement errors |
| 15:59.34 | Mikk | so it would SEEM that there's a pointer back to a parent somewhere |
| 15:59.49 | Mikk | or possibly two children pointing at eachother - that'd do it too |
| 15:59.51 | stolenlegacy | Mikk: http://paste.wowace.com/1468/ |
| 15:59.56 | asmodai | Probably. PyArg_ParseTuple() returns a simple int |
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| 16:00.12 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.12 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.14 | Mikk | ^ that'll do it |
| 16:00.16 | asmodai | not sure what return NULL would trigger, most likely a SyntaxError or what is it |
| 16:00.20 | Mikk | it recurses into UIParent |
| 16:00.26 | Mikk | and copies UIParent and all its child tables |
| 16:00.27 | Kaelten | well easy way to check |
| 16:00.44 | stolenlegacy | Mikk: I don't see the problem with assigning those values to the value of the UIParent variable |
| 16:00.46 | Kaelten | asmodai: <type 'exceptions.TypeError'>: kill() takes exactly 2 arguments (0 given) |
| 16:00.48 | asmodai | TypeError: an integer is required |
| 16:00.53 | Mikk | stolenlegacy: UIParent is a table |
| 16:00.59 | asmodai | Kaelten: ok, so it cannot be that one |
| 16:01.07 | stolenlegacy | Mikk: ahh, i see |
| 16:01.07 | Kaelten | yup |
| 16:01.09 | asmodai | Kaelten: It will not trip the OS2 code |
| 16:01.17 | asmodai | So why is kill failing |
| 16:01.23 | asmodai | or falling through |
| 16:01.24 | Kaelten | ya, I'm getting the Py_None |
| 16:01.31 | asmodai | Is this Linux? |
| 16:01.39 | Kaelten | ya ubuntu |
| 16:01.55 | asmodai | kill(2) says, as it should: |
| 16:01.59 | asmodai | RETURN VALUE |
| 16:01.59 | asmodai | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.00 | asmodai | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.57 | Mikk | stolenlegacy: and also it is not saveable. what gets saved is a copy of what the UIParent table looked like. |
| 16:02.57 | asmodai | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.57 | nevcairiel | the nix kill command never failed me, i blame python |
| 16:02.57 | Mikk | so er... change it to names |
| 16:02.57 | asmodai | nevcairiel: Heh |
| 16:03.33 | asmodai | >>> os.kill(9999, 15) |
| 16:03.38 | asmodai | OSError: [Errno 3] No such process |
| 16:03.46 | asmodai | Python 2.6 on my BSD box |
| 16:03.47 | Kaelten | asmodai, I get that on other pids |
| 16:04.00 | asmodai | Kaelten: What's special about this 5555? |
| 16:04.15 | Kaelten | os.kill(9999, 0) fails wonderfully |
| 16:04.19 | Kaelten | just as it should |
| 16:04.23 | asmodai | right |
| 16:04.28 | Kaelten | 5555 works! |
| 16:04.37 | nevcairiel | maybe 5555 is some zombie process somehow |
| 16:04.43 | Kaelten | but ps aux | grep 5555 shows nothing |
| 16:05.04 | nevcairiel | what does kill 5555 say in a shell? |
| 16:05.39 | Kaelten | kill -n 0 5555 says nothing |
| 16:05.43 | asmodai | Would be strange if kill() was arbitrary flipping the bird :) |
| 16:05.45 | nevcairiel | that means it worked |
| 16:05.58 | nevcairiel | so you have some process with that pid |
| 16:06.00 | nevcairiel | somewhere |
| 16:06.00 | Kaelten | kill -n 0 9999 says no such process |
| 16:06.06 | Kaelten | how do I find out what it is then :/ |
| 16:06.08 | Repo | 10buffthetree: 03stolenlegacy * r12 BuffTheTree.lua: Fixing crash issues with AceDB |
| 16:06.08 | asmodai | mmm, how to see that pid |
| 16:06.13 | nevcairiel | could check /proc/5555 and see whats in there |
| 16:06.22 | nevcairiel | (was that in proc?) |
| 16:06.51 | Kaelten | there's nothing there |
| 16:06.58 | nevcairiel | is the folder there? |
| 16:07.01 | Kaelten | nope |
| 16:07.05 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 16:07.29 | asmodai | :| |
| 16:07.29 | nevcairiel | maybe 5555 is just special |
| 16:07.35 | asmodai | Nah, can't be |
| 16:07.56 | haste | defunct process is defunct |
| 16:08.08 | asmodai | Well that |
| 16:08.15 | asmodai | but not arbitrarily special though |
| 16:08.20 | Kaelten | haste: I'd still see evidence of the defunct process somewhere |
| 16:08.29 | asmodai | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1826824/os-kill-not-raising-an-oserror-however-i-do-not-see-the-given-pid-running |
| 16:08.32 | asmodai | :) |
| 16:08.33 | nevcairiel | at least the dir in /proc should still there |
| 16:08.34 | asmodai | Oh hello there |
| 16:08.39 | haste | Kaelten: if the process is defunct, you can't kill it |
| 16:08.47 | haste | Kaelten: you have to kill it's parent |
| 16:08.49 | Kaelten | couldn't I at least see it |
| 16:09.06 | haste | just abuse htop to look at the process tree |
| 16:09.14 | asmodai | defunct? isn't that normally called zombie? |
| 16:09.30 | nevcairiel | you would at least see its pid in /proc still |
| 16:09.33 | nevcairiel | at least you should |
| 16:09.33 | asmodai | Kaelten: can you strace or something on that pid? |
| 16:09.35 | asmodai | nevcairiel: True. |
| 16:09.40 | asmodai | nevcairiel: That's odd in itself. |
| 16:10.20 | Kaelten | son of a bitch it's an apache child |
| 16:10.27 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:10.30 | asmodai | How'd ya know? |
| 16:10.45 | Kaelten | I used htop and ran through the tree view until I found it |
| 16:10.45 | jadakren | ps --pid <pid-here> |
| 16:11.04 | Kaelten | jadakren: that actually returns nothing |
| 16:11.13 | asmodai | That's just weird. |
| 16:11.14 | jadakren | did you prefix it with sudo |
| 16:11.19 | nevcairiel | htop is known to show a bit more information then ps |
| 16:11.21 | Kaelten | yes |
| 16:11.33 | jadakren | when you include the -A switch does it change? |
| 16:11.45 | jadakren | nvm |
| 16:12.02 | asmodai | nevcairiel: But still odd it can show a process where ps cannot. |
| 16:12.05 | Kaelten | jadakren: nah |
| 16:12.07 | jadakren | --ppid : Select by parent process ID. |
| 16:12.17 | asmodai | It Should Not Do That(tm). |
| 16:12.28 | haste | Kaelten: htop is your lazy friend |
| 16:12.36 | Kaelten | jadakren: I'd have to know the parent process for that to work though wouldn't I? |
| 16:12.41 | asmodai | haste: Like Fisker but without the friend part? |
| 16:12.57 | haste | but I like Fisker :( |
| 16:13.13 | Kaelten | well that's why the packager hasn't started the last two days |
| 16:13.23 | nevcairiel | because of a broken apache? |
| 16:13.29 | haste | Kaelten: regarding parent process, you could always abuse 1 :P |
| 16:13.31 | Kaelten | well because it was reusing a pid |
| 16:13.51 | jadakren | Kaelten: also , -H will give you a tree view |
| 16:14.05 | Kaelten | when the packager starts it checks a lock file for a pid, if that pid is running it doesn't start up |
| 16:14.25 | nevcairiel | maybe you should check if that pid is actually another packager :D |
| 16:14.42 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: welcome to suggestions on how to do said check |
| 16:14.44 | haste | lock files are there to do nothing :p |
| 16:14.58 | nevcairiel | how did you end up with the stale lockfile, anyway? |
| 16:15.03 | nevcairiel | crash at a bad time? |
| 16:15.31 | Kaelten | the code to clean up the lock file doesn't get called during a crash or a reboot |
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| 16:15.36 | haste | Kaelten: kill(pid, 0) :D ? |
| 16:15.50 | Kaelten | haste: welcome to square one :P |
| 16:15.51 | jadakren | lol |
| 16:15.52 | nevcairiel | seems like a good idea to add it to the reboot script =) |
| 16:15.58 | haste | Kaelten: really? :( |
| 16:16.09 | quiescens | o.o |
| 16:16.16 | Kaelten | haste: ya if said pid is in use by another app it returns success |
| 16:16.22 | Kaelten | that's the method I'm currently using |
| 16:16.45 | jadakren | is this a programming experiment? |
| 16:16.55 | haste | no? |
| 16:16.57 | jadakren | or a problem you;re trying to get around |
| 16:17.03 | Kaelten | jadakren: this is the packager |
| 16:17.41 | jadakren | you mean synaptics or apt-get |
| 16:17.45 | jadakren | either or |
| 16:17.54 | Kaelten | no the curseforge packager |
| 16:17.58 | jadakren | ok |
| 16:18.05 | nevcairiel | THE packager, not soem crappy ubuntu thing :P |
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| 16:18.15 | Kaelten | lol |
| 16:18.59 | nevcairiel | at least that solved the mistery of the broken packager |
| 16:19.44 | Kaelten | well kinda |
| 16:19.51 | Kaelten | now to solve how to make it not broken |
| 16:20.43 | quiescens | so |
| 16:20.45 | jadakren | so you are forcing it to die via a kill pid? |
| 16:20.48 | quiescens | what happens when you run the python line? |
| 16:20.50 | quiescens | no output at all? |
| 16:21.06 | nevcairiel | jadakren: he is sending a 0 signal just to see if the process is alive |
| 16:21.15 | haste | Kaelten: related thread is relatedhttp://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2008-May/543694.html |
| 16:21.49 | quiescens | no no |
| 16:21.55 | quiescens | they know how to check if a pid is dead |
| 16:21.59 | quiescens | its just not working as it should |
| 16:22.28 | quiescens | as they've said, you kill with sig 0, not just any old kill |
| 16:22.34 | nevcairiel | haste: the problem is, if some other process used that pid, which is not the packager .. so it will still think its running, but isnt! |
| 16:22.51 | Kaelten | nevs got the picture |
| 16:23.02 | Kaelten | I could do something nasty like IPC |
| 16:23.21 | haste | nevcairiel: so it's just bad error handling when the project dies :p ? |
| 16:23.27 | haste | Kaelten: just check the cmdline instead? |
| 16:23.35 | nevcairiel | yeah stale lock files cause it |
| 16:23.35 | quiescens | but you said ps ax | grep (pid) didn't find anything anyway |
| 16:23.47 | Kaelten | quiescens: sure didn't, htop did though, eventually |
| 16:23.54 | haste | taht way you can check if the lockfile points to the correct application |
| 16:24.17 | quiescens | ah |
| 16:24.30 | quiescens | what did it turn out to be? |
| 16:24.45 | Kaelten | quiescens: an apache2 child |
| 16:24.52 | quiescens | ah |
| 16:24.53 | nevcairiel | could always just parse os.system("ps --pid <pid>") and see if the cmdline matches |
| 16:24.54 | quiescens | threaded |
| 16:25.04 | haste | why are you doing it the hard way nevcairiel ! |
| 16:25.06 | haste | WAY |
| 16:25.10 | haste | just open the damn proc file :p |
| 16:25.15 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: ps --pid 5555 returns nothing |
| 16:25.26 | Kaelten | haste: no folder under /proc |
| 16:25.28 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: which is fine, it tells you its not your packager :D |
| 16:25.28 | haste | Kaelten: but it has a /proc/5555/ ? |
| 16:25.33 | haste | what |
| 16:25.45 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: true... |
| 16:25.55 | haste | broken system is broken! |
| 16:25.58 | haste | if you have processes without a /proc entry :P |
| 16:26.00 | Kaelten | haste: no /proc/5555 |
| 16:26.29 | nevcairiel | what apache mpm do you use? worker? |
| 16:26.31 | quiescens | technically |
| 16:26.52 | quiescens | try ps L |
| 16:26.55 | quiescens | well |
| 16:27.18 | quiescens | basically its because apache2 is probably set up to use the threaded worker, and ps doesn't show threads by default |
| 16:27.26 | quiescens | ps -L |
| 16:27.36 | haste | but it should still have an entry in /proc |
| 16:27.44 | Kaelten | quiescens: ps not there either |
| 16:27.44 | quiescens | ps -L ax | grep 5555 |
| 16:28.02 | nevcairiel | should threads have a proc entry? |
| 16:28.04 | Kaelten | quiescens now that made the fucker show up |
| 16:28.06 | nevcairiel | wonders |
| 16:28.16 | quiescens | so yeah, it does show up in ps |
| 16:28.19 | quiescens | if you tell it to show threads |
| 16:28.26 | quiescens | so its not just missing |
| 16:28.35 | quiescens | we're just doing it wrong |
| 16:28.53 | Kaelten | I could just parse the results of ps -L ax | grep 5555 |
| 16:28.59 | nevcairiel | i use mostly prefork apaches, they always show up .. who wouldve thought about that :P |
| 16:29.15 | quiescens | you could do that |
| 16:29.27 | Kaelten | feels dirty |
| 16:29.33 | quiescens | I know |
| 16:29.34 | quiescens | lol |
| 16:29.40 | Kaelten | but not as dirty/hassle as opening a socket and pinging the other process |
| 16:29.43 | quiescens | keep the option in reserve |
| 16:29.54 | haste | I still don't understand how it can have a process id, but not show up under /proc :P |
| 16:29.56 | quiescens | and spend a minute or 3 looking up how to check for the presence of a thread |
| 16:29.57 | nevcairiel | or you can just assume if the pid isnt in default ps, its not for you to care about anyway |
| 16:30.10 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 16:30.22 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: true |
| 16:30.36 | Ackis | nerds |
| 16:30.38 | Ackis | all of you |
| 16:30.39 | Ackis | are nerds |
| 16:30.40 | nevcairiel | You just want to know if its another packager, not what it is |
| 16:31.11 | haste | I would be slightly more concerned about _why_ you had a stale lock file as well :P |
| 16:31.22 | jadakren | and you know that it is another packager becuase? (you've stored the returned pid when you launch each one)? |
| 16:31.30 | nevcairiel | haste: that thign crashes alot :P |
| 16:31.32 | haste | because that indicates that it isn't working as it should :p |
| 16:31.43 | haste | nevcairiel: might want to fix that then :P ? |
| 16:31.49 | Kaelten | haste: on reboots or system crashes it won't get deleted |
| 16:32.00 | haste | but why would the system crash :D ? |
| 16:32.02 | nevcairiel | the whole server is really "broken", it reboots once a day to keep the evilz out |
| 16:32.07 | haste | and why doesn't it obey signals on reboots? |
| 16:32.39 | Kaelten | haste: that I'm not 100% sure on, but I'm just in here cleaning shit up, I don't have time for a proper exorcism |
| 16:33.04 | Kaelten | hrm what is the signal sent on a reboot |
| 16:33.07 | Kaelten | that might be the issue |
| 16:33.14 | nevcairiel | first TERM then KILL |
| 16:33.15 | nevcairiel | usually |
| 16:33.27 | Kaelten | it listens for TERM |
| 16:33.35 | Kaelten | but if for some reason TERM isn't being called |
| 16:33.36 | Kaelten | it'd not know |
| 16:33.37 | haste | why are you running ubuntu on a server anywaya :D ? |
| 16:33.39 | quiescens | but how quickly does it exit after a term |
| 16:33.50 | quiescens | there's usually only a couple seconds by default after a term, before it sends the kill |
| 16:33.51 | nevcairiel | yeah it only has a few seconds until kill |
| 16:34.13 | haste | the first thing it should do on the TERM is really remove the damn lock file :p |
| 16:34.18 | nevcairiel | it really needs to just remove its lock file and gtfo |
| 16:34.19 | Kaelten | haste: because it's a good general purpose server OS :P |
| 16:34.19 | jadakren | inb4 distrowar |
| 16:34.24 | haste | 'cause it's hitting the fan soon anyway |
| 16:34.54 | haste | Kaelten: that's like saying debian is a good desktop OS |
| 16:35.12 | nevcairiel | except that upgrading distros that believe in "releases" is always a pain |
| 16:35.21 | nevcairiel | want the new subversion? gotta upgrade the whole damn system |
| 16:35.29 | Kaelten | haste: not here to argue the validity of the OS choice |
| 16:35.37 | Kaelten | no offense :P |
| 16:36.11 | haste | ^^ |
| 16:36.44 | haste | but I haven't yet complained about how you use python! |
| 16:36.50 | quiescens | nev: usually prefer the relatively slow releases and longer term support for servers anyway though |
| 16:36.57 | quiescens | anyway |
| 16:37.00 | quiescens | depends what you need to do |
| 16:37.06 | quiescens | back to the subject at hand |
| 16:37.08 | nevcairiel | Curse should invest in another server admin or a replacement mac coder, so you get more time to fix shit =P |
| 16:37.28 | Kaelten | haste: python rocks, go code in obj-c for a few months and see how much you'd love python then |
| 16:37.29 | nevcairiel | LTS doesnt really push out new versions much, they just publish security updates longer :x |
| 16:37.50 | haste | Kaelten: hahaha, obj-c :-----D |
| 16:37.59 | haste | so glad I don't have a mac/aifone |
| 16:38.13 | haste | my android still uses Java tho' |
| 16:38.15 | nevcairiel | you would be forced to code obj-c then, eh |
| 16:38.21 | Kaelten | haste: I've been doing obj-c work for the past several months, everytime I get to mess with python the simplicity of it all is so nice |
| 16:38.23 | haste | but at least I can cross-compile shit for it |
| 16:38.46 | nevcairiel | cross compile and java in one sentence? |
| 16:38.49 | nevcairiel | what? |
| 16:38.49 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 16:38.57 | Kaelten | and then I gob ack into obj-c which compared to C/C++ is very elegant, but it's lacking compared to python and other more modernized languages |
| 16:39.02 | haste | no nevcairiel |
| 16:39.13 | haste | I can cross-compile C apps for it! |
| 16:39.17 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 16:39.18 | Kaelten | especailly considering I'm targeting 10.4 so I get to use the 25+ year old version of obj-c |
| 16:39.25 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:39.27 | haste | or abuse JNI |
| 16:39.40 | nevcairiel | yeah they fail for not just patching new runtime libraries onto the old macs |
| 16:39.43 | nevcairiel | hey even windows does that |
| 16:39.51 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: major fail, but I understand why they do it. |
| 16:39.53 | Funkeh` | "Security was one of the big problems with IE 6, and Microsoft now boasts that security features in IE 8 block 2 million malware sites a day. " |
| 16:39.53 | nevcairiel | can run .net 3.5 |
| 16:39.59 | Funkeh` | that's jsut so comforting to hear |
| 16:40.23 | Kaelten | what scares me is it seems like the obj-c runtime is intimentaly coupled with their kernels |
| 16:40.25 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: so people buy the new versions? :D |
| 16:40.36 | Kaelten | which is why backporting is so messy |
| 16:40.51 | nevcairiel | ew that gives me shivers |
| 16:41.04 | Kaelten | of course that's my high level view of what might be |
| 16:41.08 | Kaelten | but it sure does seem like it |
| 16:41.22 | tlund | orionshock: yeah, i looked into it, and yes, i have started using AL now :) |
| 16:41.23 | nevcairiel | loose coupling, anyone |
| 16:41.29 | Kaelten | ok, so what I've done is make it listen for sigkill in addition to sigterm |
| 16:41.42 | quiescens | you can't listen for sigkill |
| 16:41.50 | nevcairiel | do processes actually have a chance to react to sigkill? |
| 16:41.58 | nevcairiel | i thought it just kills the process on the scheduler side of things |
| 16:42.06 | Kaelten | quiescens: hrm you can't? I sure as hell can code that I can, but it might not actually have a chance to respond ya |
| 16:42.34 | nevcairiel | What does it try to do on sigterm? |
| 16:42.39 | Kaelten | well before it set a flag |
| 16:42.41 | nevcairiel | just kill the threads and be done? |
| 16:42.49 | quiescens | generally sigkill is the one where the os tries to force remove the thingy |
| 16:42.53 | Kaelten | but there is a sleep state it could be stuck in |
| 16:43.20 | stolenlegacy | sigkill just removes all ram and CPU from the process |
| 16:43.25 | stolenlegacy | killing it |
| 16:43.33 | stolenlegacy | no chance to react there, afaik |
| 16:43.51 | Kaelten | hrm, damn |
| 16:43.59 | Kaelten | well the reboot issue might remain then, but it might not |
| 16:44.09 | jadakren | is this same as killall process-name -9 |
| 16:44.11 | nevcairiel | can't you just clean it in a startup script? |
| 16:44.30 | nevcairiel | the one that launches the packager anyway? :) |
| 16:44.37 | quiescens | you can give it more time before it starts doing sigkill if you want to try |
| 16:44.42 | quiescens | by default its 10s |
| 16:44.45 | quiescens | in ubuntu |
| 16:44.54 | Kaelten | because of some messed up initial stuff the packager and the init script doesn't share the same pid/lock file |
| 16:45.03 | quiescens | otherwise, you'll just have to do the thingy where you check if the pid is really for your program |
| 16:45.32 | Kaelten | quiescens: I need to do that anyway, since I don't know the signal for a crash/power outage/etc. |
| 16:45.54 | nevcairiel | there is a signal for that? :P |
| 16:45.58 | quiescens | lol |
| 16:46.22 | quiescens | if you have a ups and it shuts things down, it probably just goes through the standard shutdown sequence |
| 16:46.33 | nevcairiel | one would hope |
| 16:46.36 | quiescens | if there's a hard crash then I doubt there's a signal |
| 16:46.45 | haste | Kaelten: you could also clear out the lock files with a init-script |
| 16:47.04 | nevcairiel | haste: thats what i've been saying! :P |
| 16:47.12 | haste | lies! |
| 16:47.42 | Kaelten | hrm /var/run get's cleared out on boot doesn't it? |
| 16:47.53 | nevcairiel | on my system it does |
| 16:47.57 | nevcairiel | not sure about buntu |
| 16:48.01 | Kaelten | I think it does |
| 16:48.10 | Kaelten | and that's really the proper fix more than likely anyway |
| 16:48.12 | quiescens | your /var/run is most likely tmpfs, so its in ram |
| 16:48.23 | quiescens | type mount |
| 16:48.23 | nevcairiel | nah ubuntu isnt that smart by default |
| 16:48.26 | quiescens | and see if its tmpfs |
| 16:48.33 | Kaelten | yup it is |
| 16:48.35 | Kaelten | so is /var/lock |
| 16:48.38 | quiescens | then yeah, its a ramdisk |
| 16:48.41 | Kaelten | I just need to move these things to their proper place |
| 16:48.52 | nevcairiel | where did you have them before? |
| 16:49.00 | jadakren | in ~/ lol |
| 16:49.06 | Kaelten | they where intially put in a working directory |
| 16:49.14 | nevcairiel | ah. |
| 16:49.30 | nevcairiel | well lockfiles in /var/lock and unix sockets in /var/run, done :D |
| 16:49.32 | Kaelten | the things gone through some nasty evolutions |
| 16:49.50 | Kaelten | and I've just recently gotten involved in it so I'm still discovering things |
| 16:50.56 | Kaelten | haste: what I'm curious about is how ext4 is going to preform |
| 16:51.06 | quiescens | depends what you're using it for |
| 16:51.07 | Kaelten | they just shifted it to being the default FS for new ubuntu installs |
| 16:51.34 | haste | Kaelten: fine most likely |
| 16:51.40 | nevcairiel | performance is fine |
| 16:51.44 | haste | I've been using both rs4 and ext4 for ages |
| 16:51.52 | nevcairiel | not the best, but btrfs is still too unstable :P |
| 16:52.01 | haste | btrfs, how I want you~ |
| 16:52.04 | quiescens | in a general sense |
| 16:52.29 | nevcairiel | haste: apparently it should be rather safe to use it, but i'm not in a mood to lose a partition some day |
| 16:52.39 | quiescens | its better for sequential read/write, and for working on lots of files etc |
| 16:53.00 | quiescens | but seems to have regressed a little on reading/writing a file that already exists |
| 16:53.08 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: well the whole data loss and ext4 issue isn't really an ext4 issue from what I've read, it's just more an issue with posix compliance |
| 16:53.14 | nevcairiel | If you used ext3 before, ext4 should be fine for you |
| 16:53.32 | Kaelten | the behavior ext4 had shown with the data loss was actually posix compliant |
| 16:53.36 | Fisker | reiserfs is best |
| 16:53.42 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: the only issue i read about ext4 was recovery after a sudden power loss |
| 16:53.42 | haste | murderfs! |
| 16:53.48 | nevcairiel | which shouldnt affect your server, hopefully |
| 16:54.04 | haste | I had that with rs4 |
| 16:54.06 | haste | it was fun stuff |
| 16:54.13 | haste | the system reset back like a couple of hours |
| 16:54.20 | haste | then suddnely it was back to were ti was before the crash |
| 16:54.24 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: ya that's what I'm refering to, it's because it's commits on disk and the journal weren't in sync (roughly) |
| 16:54.35 | Fisker | that's what's so awesome haste |
| 16:54.35 | Fisker | unlike all other filesystems reiserfs murders your wife |
| 16:54.41 | Kaelten | haste:lol |
| 16:54.52 | ulic | I thought I read someplace about issues with huge files on ext4, like single files that were many gigs, but that might be old. |
| 16:54.53 | nevcairiel | I only have ext4 on my laptop right now |
| 16:55.05 | nevcairiel | it should never have a sudden power outage, unless i pull the battery out |
| 16:55.06 | nevcairiel | so shrug :) |
| 16:55.10 | Kaelten | ulic: not sure about that one |
| 16:55.29 | Kaelten | ext4 also has an option to mimic the ext3 style commits too |
| 16:55.31 | nevcairiel | ulic: i had at least 12gb files on it .. dunno whats "huge" in that sense |
| 16:55.34 | haste | I haven't experienced any issuse with large files at least |
| 16:55.44 | Fisker | A movie about reiserfs is a movie Harrison Ford can't say "he didn't kill his wife", etc. in |
| 16:55.55 | haste | my disc backups are from 60G to 350G |
| 16:56.18 | quiescens | basically, the only performance profile that dropped drastically was sqlite based stuff, various databases are potentially also slightly slower in ext4 compared to ext3 |
| 16:56.53 | nevcairiel | for a database box you should use reiser4 or xfs anyway, imho |
| 16:56.58 | Fisker | There was a disc in my house haste |
| 16:57.00 | quiescens | but generally not as badly affected because they tend to use multiple files and don't do as much in-place modify of a file |
| 16:57.01 | ulic | lemme see if I can find a reference |
| 16:57.03 | Fisker | IT HAD A MECANICAL ARM |
| 16:57.06 | Fisker | YOU FIND THIS DISC |
| 16:57.30 | quiescens | proper databases are generally best with just ext2 or ext3 for the timebeing |
| 16:57.32 | quiescens | because they do their own journalling and error recovery |
| 16:57.36 | Kaelten | hrm ok trying to think, I shouldn't be able to have a stale lockfile anymore |
| 16:59.21 | nevcairiel | you could've just given us the "clear packager lock" button back, and the problem wouldve fixed itself :P |
| 16:59.30 | quiescens | take benchmark results with a grain of salt of course but http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ext4_btrfs_nilfs2&num=3 postgresql at least didn't seem to like btrfs or xfs |
| 17:00.09 | quiescens | databases tend to work best on file systems with the fewest bells and whistles because they like to handle their performance and such themselves |
| 17:00.29 | nevcairiel | which is kinda wrong =p |
| 17:01.16 | quiescens | lol |
| 17:01.30 | quiescens | go tell them to stop it! |
| 17:01.39 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: kinda, but probably needed in many cases. |
| 17:01.55 | nevcairiel | would rather use an optimized FS at the kernel level then soem userland version of it |
| 17:02.05 | nevcairiel | but shrug, this way they work everywhere |
| 17:02.06 | Kaelten | true |
| 17:02.07 | quiescens | hard to say that for a database though |
| 17:02.16 | Kaelten | but then the db would have to be designed for a given kernel |
| 17:02.22 | Kaelten | or kernel features |
| 17:02.23 | Kaelten | at least |
| 17:02.24 | quiescens | because the kernel level doesn't understand where the data is in the database |
| 17:02.36 | nevcairiel | store it in files :D |
| 17:02.40 | nevcairiel | not one big blob |
| 17:02.50 | quiescens | old school maildir format |
| 17:03.06 | nevcairiel | wonders how much overhead fopen calls have |
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| 17:04.13 | ulic | http://preview.tinyurl.com/ybm9e56 is what I saw. |
| 17:05.03 | nevcairiel | wonder why i never read about it on other kernel related pages |
| 17:05.23 | nevcairiel | maybe ubuntu broke it |
| 17:05.26 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: having too many files ina directory has it's own issues too though |
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| 17:05.34 | nevcairiel | sub dirs! |
| 17:05.35 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 17:06.03 | quiescens | kaelten: technically having too many files in a directory is one of the things that the newer filesystems are supposed to be able to handle much better |
| 17:06.07 | quiescens | which in nev' |
| 17:06.10 | quiescens | blah |
| 17:06.31 | quiescens | nev's suggestion is to let the filesystem handle it rather than people rolling their own systems |
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| 17:06.49 | nevcairiel | its probably too system dependant to be viable |
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| 17:07.20 | haste | quiescens: the benchmark is from phoronix, and it's ancients :p |
| 17:07.57 | quiescens | I already said take it with a grain of salt, I was just using that to help illustrate the original point |
| 17:08.46 | quiescens | the reasoning is sound and fairly accepted regardless of whether I tried to link to a relevant benchmark or not |
| 17:08.54 | nevcairiel | Interesting, the ext4 seems to still not be fixed properly in .32 |
| 17:08.59 | nevcairiel | puts that bug on follow |
| 17:09.57 | winkiller | Shadowed: is it possible to re-link some frames in SUF? I'm puzzled |
| 17:10.56 | Kaelten | so I'm killing the lock file, since really it's just a pid file |
| 17:11.02 | Kaelten | which the init script already takes care of |
| 17:11.11 | Kaelten | and I'm moving it onto /dev/run so it won't be stale on crash/reboot |
| 17:11.37 | Fisker | bugs nevcairiel |
| 17:11.46 | quiescens | run nev |
| 17:12.00 | Repo | 10buffthetree: 03stolenlegacy * r13 BuffTheTree.lua: Fix for an defaults error |
| 17:12.04 | nevcairiel | i hope you mean /var/run :D |
| 17:12.09 | Kaelten | er |
| 17:12.11 | Kaelten | ya /var/run |
| 17:12.11 | Kaelten | sorry |
| 17:12.27 | quiescens | to be fair /dev is probably tmpfs too |
| 17:12.29 | quiescens | ! |
| 17:12.50 | nevcairiel | some weird form of udev special fs or something |
| 17:12.58 | nevcairiel | but yeah, a memory fs |
| 17:16.18 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: what filled up the harddrive on the weekend again, btw? |
| 17:16.44 | Kaelten | oh a debug statement I forgot to remove, when it'd get stuck unstarted it'd just kept printing |
| 17:16.51 | nevcairiel | ouch |
| 17:17.02 | nevcairiel | long debug log :D |
| 17:17.19 | Kaelten | yup |
| 17:17.22 | Kaelten | fixed now |
| 17:18.34 | haste | pfft |
| 17:18.40 | haste | 240G debug log is nothing |
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| 17:19.12 | kadrahil | >.> |
| 17:20.37 | quiescens | anymoo |
| 17:20.39 | quiescens | go to sleep |
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| 17:28.16 | kadrahil | slaps ckknight in the back with a rusty Fisker around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:28.21 | ckknight | o noes |
| 17:29.02 | quiescens | o.O |
| 17:29.13 | kadrahil | i wonder if that's an auto response |
| 17:29.38 | kadrahil | slaps ckknight around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:29.45 | kadrahil | guess not :( |
| 17:30.00 | ckknight | cracks kadrahil's skull with a 2x4 |
| 17:30.06 | kadrahil | dies |
| 17:30.06 | quiescens | violence |
| 17:30.18 | kadrahil | explodes |
| 17:30.23 | quiescens | dies. |
| 17:30.35 | kadrahil | cheers! |
| 17:30.52 | Megalon | wallows |
| 17:31.30 | kadrahil | sigh |
| 17:31.50 | kadrahil | this js error message is not helping |
| 17:31.58 | kadrahil | from this flash video player |
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| 17:32.03 | kadrahil | "n is null" THANKS |
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| 17:32.17 | kadrahil | explodes again |
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| 17:35.27 | quiescens | maybe n shouldn't be null |
| 17:35.39 | kadrahil | maybe |
| 17:37.05 | kadrahil | oh, i figured that out... it's because it was trying to access a div's id that didn't exist in the doc yet |
| 17:37.19 | Kaelten | incidentlly I'm rewriting the repo manager's package status detection as a result of this too |
| 17:38.09 | quiescens | sure you are |
| 17:38.14 | NeoTron | kadrahil: clearly your brain is null |
| 17:38.22 | kadrahil | :( |
| 17:38.26 | kadrahil | no you |
| 17:38.50 | Kaelten | quiescens: http://paste.wowace.com/rta4y3vqw187s9bz/ |
| 17:38.51 | Kaelten | :P |
| 17:38.52 | NeoTron | well that's no news! |
| 17:39.38 | kadrahil | wtb next week |
| 17:39.49 | kadrahil | wtb 25 primordial saronite |
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| 17:45.04 | quiescens | if you don't need to worry about checking whether there's a thread with the pid in question the easy way is usually to open /proc/(pid)/cmdline or something like that |
| 17:45.26 | Kaelten | hrm |
| 17:45.28 | quiescens | saving the fork and exec |
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| 17:57.50 | kadrahil | forks quiescens with an exec |
| 17:59.59 | quiescens | ): |
| 18:00.06 | kadrahil | :( |
| 18:04.05 | Mikk | mv * #linux-support |
| 18:04.42 | quiescens | it was clearly vaguely related |
| 18:05.41 | nevcairiel | Mikk: dump your comments to http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=17422 in there somewhere |
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| 18:39.06 | Shadowed | winkiller: through the configuration, yes. |
| 18:49.27 | kadrahil | so the shadowfrost shards for the shadowmourne quest are all quest items, and not bop drops like val'anyr shards were? |
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| 18:52.05 | Stanzilla | It's official: Google is ditching its homegrown Gears offline web app API in favor of backing HTML5 for the win |
| 18:52.06 | Stanzilla | wohoo |
| 18:52.23 | Kaelten | nice |
| 18:52.29 | Kaelten | link? |
| 18:52.41 | nevcairiel | HTML5 needs some serious support to finally kick it off |
| 18:52.43 | nevcairiel | good stuff |
| 18:52.48 | Stanzilla | http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/google_dumps_gears_for_html5.php |
| 18:52.51 | sb|work | err wtf, that BotM acts like mage ice block? |
| 18:52.58 | sb|work | so you can just avoid damage by consuming it? |
| 18:52.58 | Kaelten | man that was a bitch, but I finally have the repository manager shutting down without requring a kill -9 |
| 18:54.18 | nevcairiel | yay |
| 18:54.33 | Stanzilla | no more full-weekend-downtimes? :) |
| 19:00.11 | mitch0 | kaelten: python? |
| 19:00.15 | Ackis | Stanzilla: no something else will pop up over Christmas |
| 19:00.47 | nevcairiel | good that i wont be around over christmas, so it wont bother me |
| 19:00.48 | Stanzilla | Ackis: are you visiting the datacenter? |
| 19:00.54 | nevcairiel | just have it fixed by 2nd january when i get back |
| 19:01.09 | Ackis | Stanzilla: no, just the way things work is shit breaks over long weekends |
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| 19:03.22 | Ackis | or maybe it'll break right now ;) |
| 19:03.50 | nevcairiel | Undefined state - unable to determine |
| 19:03.51 | nevcairiel | :) |
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| 19:07.03 | taleden | any ideas when 3.3 will hit live? |
| 19:07.28 | NivFreak | a week |
| 19:07.30 | genetik- | next week, supposedly |
| 19:07.44 | NivFreak | I wouldn't have been that surprised if it was this week |
| 19:08.00 | genetik- | me either.. i was bracing for it |
| 19:09.53 | nevcairiel | i give it two more weeks :P |
| 19:12.11 | Kaelten | Stanzilla: it's getting better |
| 19:12.14 | Kaelten | mitch0; ya |
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| 19:12.35 | Torhal | Kaelten: Does this mean more money for hookers? |
| 19:12.46 | Kaelten | hrm? |
| 19:12.53 | Shadowed | I think it means we get to yell at Torhal if the repo breaks |
| 19:13.03 | Torhal | Oh, nothing. Just throwing out random nonsense. Much like Shadowed. |
| 19:13.24 | Shadowed | No definitely not nonsense, official fact |
| 19:14.00 | Ackis | Torhal: ? |
| 19:14.19 | Torhal | Ackis: If you want a good laugh, look at the project queue. |
| 19:14.23 | Axodious | stupid intel and their stupid stock cooling fans |
| 19:14.33 | Axodious | spend the 40$ on one and drop 10c |
| 19:14.33 | Axodious | ~_~ |
| 19:14.38 | Kaelten | it does take about 20s to restart since I have to wait on networking stuff |
| 19:14.58 | Kaelten | there we go status message is fixed |
| 19:15.01 | Ackis | Torhal: :( |
| 19:15.34 | Torhal | Ackis: The file is InstallWoW.exe |
| 19:16.01 | Ackis | you looked further than I did |
| 19:16.21 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 19:16.40 | Ackis | I just denied it and gave him Kaelten's e-mail address |
| 19:16.45 | Kaelten | fu |
| 19:16.47 | Shadowed | haha |
| 19:16.53 | Ackis | :D |
| 19:16.53 | Shadowed | Someone submitted InstallWoW.exe? |
| 19:17.00 | Ackis | yes :( |
| 19:17.14 | Kaelten | well I'm done fucking with the repo server I think |
| 19:17.17 | Ackis | at least it's better than carbonite version 2000 or lightheaded version 5000 |
| 19:17.24 | Kaelten | the packager and the documenter both use proper pid files in /var/run now |
| 19:17.32 | Kaelten | and the status detection code got cleaned up |
| 19:17.40 | Torhal | Shadowed: The project description was: i like to kill on wow for its fun to show how good you are |
| 19:17.51 | Torhal | I'm assuming a kid uploaded it. |
| 19:18.05 | Ackis | ~Kaelten++ |
| 19:18.59 | Ackis | Torhal: ? |
| 19:19.00 | Ackis | msn? |
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| 19:19.06 | quiescens | o.O |
| 19:19.11 | quiescens | go to sleep people |
| 19:19.17 | Ackis | nein |
| 19:19.23 | quiescens | ja |
| 19:19.35 | pompy | Torhal: watch out,ackis wants to cyber wit you |
| 19:19.41 | Kaelten | it's like 1 in the afternoon |
| 19:19.42 | Torhal | Ackis: I'm on MSN...you don't see me? |
| 19:19.51 | Torhal | pompy: No, he said it's your turn. |
| 19:19.56 | Kaelten | pompy: thank god it's torhal now, I got tired of the harassement |
| 19:20.01 | Torhal | Haha |
| 19:20.18 | Ackis | Torhal: nope :( |
| 19:20.22 | Ackis | Kaelten: you said you liked it |
| 19:20.26 | Ackis | and that you loved me :( |
| 19:20.53 | Kaelten | no that was your hand my friend |
| 19:21.09 | Shadowed | rawgh |
| 19:21.14 | Shadowed | why isn't the stupid spam on Curse fixed yet :| |
| 19:21.15 | Kaelten | your demensia is getting pretty for gone yet? |
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| 19:21.20 | quiescens | kaelten is sekretly evil |
| 19:21.22 | Ackis | Shadowed: linky? |
| 19:21.23 | Kaelten | Shadowed: which spam? |
| 19:21.32 | Shadowed | comment spam that's been going on the last like 4 months |
| 19:21.40 | Shadowed | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/shadowed-unit-frames.aspx#616572 |
| 19:21.41 | Ackis | i ban dem |
| 19:21.42 | Kaelten | oh, if I could i'd fix it mate |
| 19:21.47 | Shadowed | Ah it got eaten already |
| 19:21.49 | Kaelten | but that's not my codebase |
| 19:22.02 | quiescens | excuses |
| 19:22.02 | Ackis | aye I nuked him already |
| 19:23.00 | nevcairiel | wonders if they are working on yet another curse rewrite already |
| 19:23.21 | quiescens | rewrite the wheel |
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| 19:23.42 | Ackis | curse version 500 |
| 19:23.50 | Shadowed | nevcairiel: is this version 10 :< |
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| 19:24.11 | Ackis | step 1 for curse would be to hire about 5 more devs |
| 19:24.17 | Ackis | and a monkey |
| 19:24.22 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:24.22 | Ackis | so Kaelten can spank it |
| 19:24.32 | quiescens | or 5 monkeys and a dev? |
| 19:24.33 | nevcairiel | spank the monkey, eh |
| 19:24.40 | Kaelten | quiescens: secretly? |
| 19:24.53 | Kaelten | Shadowed this is version 6 |
| 19:25.05 | Shadowed | Isn't Curse already hiring more devs |
| 19:25.07 | Shadowed | only 6? |
| 19:25.08 | Kaelten | there is some vauge loose plans for a 7 but that's probably 12-24 months out |
| 19:25.18 | Shadowed | Who is the person who keeps changing the layout |
| 19:25.19 | Shadowed | so I can smack them |
| 19:25.30 | Kaelten | well the 6th major version |
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| 19:25.58 | nevcairiel | and none were really good |
| 19:26.07 | Kaelten | heh |
| 19:27.29 | Shadowed | nope |
| 19:27.34 | Fisker | stabs Shadowed repeatedly with a knife |
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| 19:28.08 | nevcairiel | also yell at your san francisco office to read mails |
| 19:28.10 | Shadowed | If they fixed the fact that I have to refresh for the comments to see I'm logged in, I would be less annoyed |
| 19:28.41 | Shadowed | nevcairiel: if you pay my bail I'll go down there and threaten them a bit |
| 19:29.12 | nevcairiel | the login issues is the most annoying part on curse.com right now |
| 19:29.39 | Shadowed | Also the spam |
| 19:30.20 | Torhal | And the synch mechanism dying for days on end. |
| 19:30.26 | Torhal | Also almost always on weekends. |
| 19:30.30 | Shadowed | Also the mods are slow to approve! |
| 19:30.32 | nevcairiel | lynch the synch! |
| 19:30.32 | Shadowed | looks at Torhal |
| 19:30.42 | nevcairiel | Shadowed: use repositories, and stfu :P |
| 19:30.46 | Torhal | I'm not here 24/7 :P |
| 19:30.52 | Shadowed | Well you should be |
| 19:30.56 | Torhal | Ackis needs to play less Xbox |
| 19:31.08 | Torhal | And maybe like, approve stuff, or code his own AddOns. |
| 19:31.22 | nevcairiel | I thought he enslaved you for the addon coding |
| 19:31.25 | Shadowed | but why code addons when you do it for him, he even collects the free poins! |
| 19:31.37 | Shadowed | You're like his slave code monkey |
| 19:31.44 | Ackis | ^ |
| 19:31.48 | Torhal | Hahaha |
| 19:32.07 | Torhal | I'm doing what I want to do. Ackis doesn't even know why I'm doing it. |
| 19:32.23 | Shadowed | You should add something to delete items in it |
| 19:32.25 | Shadowed | then blame Ackis |
| 19:32.27 | Megalon | are you |
| 19:32.29 | Megalon | purple |
| 19:32.32 | Megalon | tentacle |
| 19:32.33 | Megalon | ???????????????? |
| 19:32.37 | Torhal | ... |
| 19:32.45 | Megalon | AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 19:32.46 | Megalon | runs |
| 19:34.16 | Kaelten | Shadowed: ya unfortunately we only have a few active moderators |
| 19:35.04 | Fisker | YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH |
| 19:35.54 | Ackis | is Kaelten's monkey |
| 19:36.06 | asmodai | shoots Fisker |
| 19:36.13 | asmodai | tosses Ackis a banana |
| 19:36.45 | Ackis | squeels. |
| 19:36.59 | Kaelten | wishes he could teach ackis not to fling his poo |
| 19:37.18 | Ackis | flings poo at pompy |
| 19:37.36 | Kaelten | Bad Ackis! no banana! |
| 19:37.40 | Ackis | :( |
| 19:39.40 | Fisker | fires streams of poo towards Ackis |
| 19:40.05 | Stanzilla | wtb moderator thingy |
| 19:40.09 | Stanzilla | I'm bored enough :p |
| 19:41.44 | Ackis | you'd screw it up IMO ;) |
| 19:42.07 | Torhal | Ackis: He'd most likely retroactibely delete your projects with a reason of "Inappropriate or not real" |
| 19:42.21 | Torhal | s/retroactibely/retroactively/ |
| 19:42.23 | Stanzilla | "you are not the real author" |
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| 19:42.26 | Stanzilla | better reason |
| 19:43.12 | Ackis | :( |
| 19:43.16 | Ackis | quit picking on me |
| 19:43.28 | Stanzilla | ^^ |
| 19:44.16 | Stanzilla | pets Ackis |
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| 19:45.29 | Fisker | i love you Stanzilla |
| 19:46.18 | Stanzilla | I love you, too |
| 19:46.48 | kadrahil | jams to Rush |
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| 19:47.15 | kadrahil | look at what you've done, fisker |
| 19:47.18 | kadrahil | you scared vallerius away |
| 19:47.24 | Fisker | dun dun dun |
| 19:49.07 | asmodai | wtf |
| 19:49.42 | nevcairiel | I wouldve left as well when those were the first two lines i saw |
| 19:50.12 | Stanzilla | xD |
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| 19:50.43 | kadrahil | Fisker: you should try that again |
| 19:50.49 | nevcairiel | I want to order moar blurays, someone unlock my store account again, noaw :D |
| 19:51.55 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: waiting on san fran mate |
| 19:52.02 | nevcairiel | i know |
| 19:52.07 | sb|work | mhh giev bluerays |
| 19:52.16 | nevcairiel | but i just noticed you have german gift certs again |
| 19:52.21 | nevcairiel | so i'm waiting even more |
| 19:52.52 | Kaelten | what I really need is some peole to help me support the mac client |
| 19:53.15 | nevcairiel | I have no mac :( |
| 19:53.25 | Stanzilla | give me a mac and I'll support |
| 19:53.27 | Stanzilla | :) |
| 19:53.48 | durcyn | how so, Kaelten? |
| 19:54.10 | Kaelten | talking to people in forums, helping me make sense and keep track of tickets, etc |
| 19:54.22 | durcyn | oh, unpaid secretarial work. try Ackis. |
| 19:54.42 | Ackis | ... |
| 19:54.45 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:54.56 | Shadowed | you mean Torhal |
| 19:55.46 | nevcairiel | I suppose it would help if i could actually run the client, but if it helps i can read through tickets and at least sort out the dupes |
| 19:56.02 | nevcairiel | I wonder what happend to my VMWare with OSX on it |
| 19:56.08 | nevcairiel | Maybe i still have that |
| 19:56.31 | Kaelten | ya dupe management and figuring out what are the pressing issues would be a big help |
| 19:57.47 | nevcairiel | hey i still have that osx image |
| 19:57.51 | nevcairiel | yay for me keeping everything |
| 19:58.26 | Torhal | Shadowed: What did I do now? |
| 19:58.28 | Kaelten | vmware with osx |
| 19:58.31 | Kaelten | lol |
| 19:58.42 | Shadowed | unpaid secretarial work bitch |
| 19:58.44 | Kaelten | has several vms of windows |
| 19:58.45 | nevcairiel | i got that to try iPhone dev in its native environment |
| 19:58.58 | Torhal | Shadowed: Oh? |
| 19:59.00 | nevcairiel | but its no long term fun, its slow as hell in a VM |
| 19:59.01 | Torhal | scratches his head. |
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| 20:00.16 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: I much prefer obj-c over c++ |
| 20:00.36 | nevcairiel | I still hate the smalltalk syntax |
| 20:00.49 | nevcairiel | rather have my classic OOP syntax =p |
| 20:01.18 | nevcairiel | Plus i doubt i'll ever have a job in Obj-C, so it seems pointless to invest too much effort into it |
| 20:02.10 | krka | i prefer decapitation over c++ :) |
| 20:03.38 | nevcairiel | boots up the OSX VM |
| 20:03.43 | nevcairiel | lets see if this thing still works |
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| 20:05.30 | yoshimo | kaelten, do you still work on a direct exchange points->gametime, which works at midnight during holidays and even sundays? |
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| 20:06.09 | Kaelten | krka: amen |
| 20:06.16 | Kaelten | yoshimo: sorry say what? |
| 20:06.40 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: ya well it's not really smalltalk syntax either the brakets are not smalltalkish at all, they're just a precompiler trick |
| 20:06.55 | nevcairiel | didnt they steal that from smalltalk? |
| 20:07.04 | nevcairiel | i remember smalltalk looking very similar |
| 20:07.09 | nevcairiel | with their message passing deal |
| 20:07.09 | Xinhuan | aha Kaelten, did you ever find out what the singapore laws are with regards for redeeming points? :) |
| 20:07.29 | nevcairiel | If you want the laws checked, do it yourself .. :P |
| 20:07.53 | Xinhuan | curse has lawyers, i don't hehe |
| 20:08.00 | nevcairiel | US lawyers :) |
| 20:08.08 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: iirc with smalltalk it's just object selectorWithArgument:arg1 andArgument:arg2 |
| 20:08.12 | Kaelten | but now I'm going to goolge it |
| 20:08.33 | nevcairiel | We had a seminar about alternative OOP languages |
| 20:08.40 | nevcairiel | both smalltalk and obj-c where in it |
| 20:08.45 | nevcairiel | and they seemed rather similar in that regard |
| 20:09.01 | nevcairiel | Obj-C like C with smalltalk |
| 20:09.13 | nevcairiel | which seems like a odd couple |
| 20:09.56 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smalltalk |
| 20:10.12 | Kaelten | you basically just drop the brackets and it'd be smalltalk style messages |
| 20:10.28 | ckknight | http://www.curseforge.com/jobs/interactive-graphic-designer/ |
| 20:10.30 | Kaelten | 'hello world' indexOf: $o startingAt: 6 |
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| 20:11.13 | Kaelten | ruby is actually much closer though than obj-c is |
| 20:11.15 | Kaelten | syntax wise |
| 20:11.31 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis * r2712 AckisRecipeList.lua: Remove dump recipe, out dated at the very least. |
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| 20:11.38 | Repo | 10speedyactions: 03Shadowed 07master * 1.2-release-1-gadc6990 SpeedyActions.lua: [+1 commit] Trying a fix for FishermansFriend |
| 20:12.01 | Repo | New knowledge base page: http://www.wowace.com/jobs/interactive-graphic-designer/ by ckknight |
| 20:12.08 | nevcairiel | i havent looked at ruby much yet |
| 20:12.12 | nevcairiel | but i have to for my thesis |
| 20:12.14 | nevcairiel | soon :/ |
| 20:12.18 | ckknight | ruby is very nice, nevcairiel |
| 20:12.47 | nevcairiel | for some reason they expect me to analyse ruby on rails too, like its popular or anything! |
| 20:12.48 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 20:13.18 | Kaelten | I think macruby looks very nice |
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| 20:13.51 | ckknight | nevcairiel: I'd mention Merb and also its joining to create Rails 3 |
| 20:13.52 | Kaelten | Xinhuan: na, as far as I know it's generally the same as the other two, just the treaty information probably differers slightly |
| 20:14.12 | Xinhuan | treaty? *rolls eyes* |
| 20:14.53 | asmodai | Does Rail perform finally? |
| 20:14.56 | asmodai | Rails even |
| 20:15.19 | Primer | no |
| 20:15.26 | asmodai | Figured as much. |
| 20:15.30 | asmodai | pats Python |
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| 20:16.26 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: nearly every country has a income tax treaty with the US |
| 20:16.35 | nevcairiel | just look for the "other income" article, and write it down |
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| 20:19.45 | ckknight | asmodai, Primer: of course it does. If it doesn't for you, you're doing it wrong. |
| 20:19.56 | ckknight | and Ruby 1.9 is pretty much just as fast as Python 2.6 |
| 20:20.30 | Primer | ckknight: meh, I've never once used RoR |
| 20:20.35 | nevcairiel | people should start embracing python3k! |
| 20:20.43 | ckknight | Python 3.0 is nice |
| 20:20.46 | Primer | I just thought it was a bad concept long ago |
| 20:20.47 | ckknight | note that it is slower, though |
| 20:20.51 | ckknight | if that's your only concern |
| 20:20.52 | Primer | and continue to think that |
| 20:20.56 | nevcairiel | Python 3.0 is crap |
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| 20:20.58 | nevcairiel | 3.1 is nice |
| 20:21.00 | asmodai | A lot of that is fixed in 3.1 and 3-trunk |
| 20:21.03 | ckknight | well, yea |
| 20:21.07 | ckknight | I meant 3.x |
| 20:21.20 | asmodai | Some recent commits brings it closer to 2.6's level of performance |
| 20:21.20 | nevcairiel | 3.0 was so full of bugs, it wasnt funny |
| 20:21.21 | krka | Java kicks all those ass! |
| 20:21.26 | ckknight | asmodai: nice |
| 20:21.31 | ckknight | krka: Java makes me sad |
| 20:21.32 | nevcairiel | throws some EJBs at krka |
| 20:21.38 | asmodai | ckknight: Was needed though. |
| 20:21.40 | ckknight | I've been working with C# recently |
| 20:21.45 | ckknight | i.e. past few months |
| 20:21.54 | ckknight | been doing some pretty cool stuff |
| 20:21.58 | ckknight | hearts LINQ |
| 20:22.50 | krka | i don't like EJB though :/ |
| 20:22.57 | nevcairiel | EJB is the devil |
| 20:22.59 | asmodai | Maybe Guido's decision for a language feature freeze for a while is quite the step |
| 20:23.04 | krka | a lot of java code is really bad, but it's easy to write really good code in it oto |
| 20:23.07 | nevcairiel | way too complex of a design |
| 20:23.08 | krka | *too |
| 20:23.09 | ckknight | var a = Expression.Parameter("a", typeof(T)); var b = Expression.Parameter("b", typeof(T)); Func<T, T, T> adder = Expression.Lambda<Func<T, T, T>>(Expression.Add(a, b), a, b).Compile(); |
| 20:23.44 | nevcairiel | krka: i work with java and Spring at work, thats actually rather nice |
| 20:23.53 | nevcairiel | just down with EJB |
| 20:25.21 | Kaelten | templates just make me sad |
| 20:25.43 | ckknight | Kaelten: templates? |
| 20:25.51 | Kaelten | Func<T, T, T> |
| 20:25.52 | nevcairiel | he probably means the generics there |
| 20:25.55 | ckknight | Kaelten: generics |
| 20:26.01 | ckknight | what's wrong with em? |
| 20:26.04 | nevcairiel | only C++ calls them templates =P |
| 20:26.04 | Kaelten | generics in C# templates in other langugages |
| 20:26.17 | ckknight | C++ templates != generics |
| 20:26.27 | ckknight | Func<T, T, T> means a function which takes two T arguments, returns a T |
| 20:26.40 | ckknight | well, a closure, more specifically |
| 20:26.45 | nevcairiel | the C++ templates fit a similar use-case, different concept, though |
| 20:26.50 | ckknight | correct, nevcairiel |
| 20:26.52 | Kaelten | that's counter intuitive |
| 20:27.10 | Kaelten | seems like it'd be a func that takes three T arguments |
| 20:27.19 | ckknight | Kaelten: last argument is the return |
| 20:27.26 | nevcairiel | thats what i would've thought Kaelten |
| 20:27.28 | ckknight | Action<T, T> is a closure that takes two Ts, no return value. |
| 20:27.31 | nevcairiel | but i only used them in Java really |
| 20:27.52 | Kaelten | ok that seems pretty ambigious |
| 20:28.01 | ckknight | Func<int, int, int> multiply = (a, b) => a * b; |
| 20:28.02 | nevcairiel | the difference is in Action and Func? |
| 20:28.04 | nevcairiel | weird |
| 20:28.15 | ckknight | nevcairiel: Action has no return value, Func does. |
| 20:28.20 | nevcairiel | someone did too much functional programming, if you ask me |
| 20:28.26 | ckknight | There's also Predicate<T>, which takes a T and returns a bool. |
| 20:28.36 | Kaelten | eek |
| 20:28.43 | ckknight | I like functional programming |
| 20:28.44 | ckknight | it's ftw. |
| 20:28.50 | nevcairiel | that reminds me of haskell, somehow |
| 20:28.53 | nevcairiel | i hated it |
| 20:29.00 | Kaelten | makes me appreciate obj-c's new closure syntax |
| 20:29.02 | ckknight | nevcairiel: yea, the guy who made Haskell did em. |
| 20:29.09 | ckknight | Kaelten: what's Obj-C's? |
| 20:29.27 | krka | haskell ftw |
| 20:29.31 | Torhal | Fucking sinus infection. Can't think clearly enough to look at code. Guess I'll see how well my new monitor handles TV shows. |
| 20:29.43 | ckknight | Torhal: get better, guy. |
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| 20:30.19 | Torhal | I'm trying. I bitched my GF out for only taking a few of her anti-biotics. Now I'm glad she did that so I can knock this damn thing out. |
| 20:30.53 | asmodai | wobbles things in front of Torhal's face |
| 20:31.06 | Torhal | Weirdo. |
| 20:31.13 | NivFreak | man |
| 20:31.17 | NivFreak | I read from the bottom up |
| 20:31.18 | asmodai | Mmm, disabling power management for the NIC didn't help. Next step uninstalling the driver. |
| 20:31.21 | NivFreak | and I was worried about that statement |
| 20:31.26 | ckknight | delegate T Operation<T>(T alpha, T bravo); Operation<int> add = (a, b) => a + b; |
| 20:31.48 | FtH|Daemona | http://gizmodo.com/5416057/25+minute-lego-halo-fan-movie-watch-the-trailer |
| 20:32.04 | asmodai | NivFreak: XD |
| 20:32.11 | Repo | 10libfail-1-0: 03sztanpet * r167 LibFail-1.0.lua: more aggressive sartharion flame breath |
| 20:32.14 | Kaelten | void (^my_block)(void); |
| 20:32.19 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: "Initializing Projects Cache" takes ages .. whats the client doing? |
| 20:32.38 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: parsing out a huge ass xml feed if you ahven't ran the client in a while |
| 20:32.46 | nevcairiel | first time :P |
| 20:32.54 | nevcairiel | but that would probably do it |
| 20:33.02 | Kaelten | I've found an alternate parsing method I want to try that should be much faster, but it's a lot of work to change it over |
| 20:33.11 | krka | Kaelten: xkd.com/37 |
| 20:33.14 | krka | err |
| 20:33.16 | krka | xkcd.com/37 |
| 20:33.48 | Kaelten | krka: hehe, I do the same thing |
| 20:34.40 | Kaelten | ckknight: so Func<T, T, T> would be (int)(^my_block)(int, int); |
| 20:34.58 | Kaelten | er |
| 20:35.02 | Kaelten | drop the () around the first int |
| 20:35.08 | nevcairiel | the client claims my password is wrong =( |
| 20:35.12 | kadrahil | drops a () on Kaelten |
| 20:35.21 | ckknight | Func<T, T, T> my_block; would be, then. |
| 20:35.24 | ckknight | okay |
| 20:35.25 | ckknight | yea |
| 20:35.25 | kadrahil | nevcairiel: the client is always right! |
| 20:35.26 | ckknight | well |
| 20:35.27 | ckknight | actually |
| 20:35.32 | ckknight | Func<int, int, int> my_block; |
| 20:35.33 | ckknight | in that case |
| 20:35.37 | nevcairiel | kadrahil: but but it works ont he web page |
| 20:35.54 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: erm, really? |
| 20:35.55 | ckknight | or, if you had previously defined delegate T Operation<T>(T alpha, T bravo), then it's just Operation<int> my_block; |
| 20:36.23 | Repo | 10epgploot2: 03felsir * r50 / (3 files in 1 directory): fixed rank bug |
| 20:36.25 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: yeah, InvalidPassword error 0, or something |
| 20:36.36 | nevcairiel | tried like 10 times, i can't typo that often |
| 20:36.56 | Repo | 10epgploot2: 03felsir 04v2.3.1release * r51 : Fixed a bug on the ranks |
| 20:37.14 | Kaelten | say Please try again? |
| 20:37.39 | Kaelten | nevcairiel ^ |
| 20:37.56 | Kaelten | ckknight ya you can typedef obj-c's too iirc |
| 20:38.09 | ckknight | okay |
| 20:38.20 | nevcairiel | it doesnt choke on any special chars, does it? |
| 20:38.30 | nevcairiel | I only have a + in it, though |
| 20:38.30 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: it 'shouldn't' |
| 20:38.44 | Kaelten | what version are you using? |
| 20:38.50 | nevcairiel | .203 |
| 20:38.54 | nevcairiel | just downloaded it |
| 20:38.56 | Kaelten | k |
| 20:38.58 | Kaelten | just making sure |
| 20:39.07 | Kaelten | some major issues with older ones and certain things |
| 20:39.12 | Kaelten | try using your email address instead? |
| 20:39.15 | Kaelten | as your username |
| 20:39.32 | asmodai | Primer: wrt that driver thing, roll back or uninstall? |
| 20:39.40 | nevcairiel | that might be tricky, i can't seem to type an @ in the emulator, lol |
| 20:39.44 | Primer | asmodai: roll back |
| 20:39.46 | Primer | use the MS driver |
| 20:39.48 | Primer | works fine |
| 20:39.50 | asmodai | Primer: ok, lets see |
| 20:39.53 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: can you type a + in your emulator? |
| 20:40.08 | nevcairiel | yeah i tried in the non-pw field to see if nothing screws up |
| 20:40.18 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 20:40.21 | asmodai | Primer: jesus, that was fast and painless |
| 20:40.36 | Primer | asmodai: yup |
| 20:40.40 | Kaelten | I tested with a password that contained both + and â |
| 20:40.48 | Kaelten | so I'm pretty sure it's not the characters |
| 20:40.52 | Kaelten | and the server's not erroring |
| 20:41.15 | asmodai | Primer: One advantage of usermode drivers I guess :) |
| 20:41.21 | nevcairiel | weird |
| 20:41.31 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: you can open up keychain access and see if it's storing your password properly |
| 20:42.18 | Primer | asmodai: yeah, I upgraded video drivers and wasn't prompted to reboot and thought "WTF?" |
| 20:42.37 | asmodai | Primer: hahaha, especially since we've seen *that* promise since, what, 98? |
| 20:43.07 | Primer | well, for windows, sure |
| 20:43.31 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: .. where? :) I'm not a mac user :P |
| 20:43.38 | Kaelten | keychain access it's an application |
| 20:43.50 | Kaelten | under the utilities folder |
| 20:44.31 | nevcairiel | ah there it is |
| 20:44.53 | Kaelten | in the login keychains there is a entry for CurseClient |
| 20:45.12 | Kaelten | if you double click on it you can check the little checkbox next to the password field to see what's stored |
| 20:45.21 | asmodai | jesus, XDA already has Android 2.1 for my Hero |
| 20:46.24 | Fisker | old asmodai |
| 20:46.43 | asmodai | Well yeah, pushing 32 |
| 20:46.56 | Kaelten | also make sure that the logins keychain is your default keychain |
| 20:47.03 | Kaelten | I've seen that cause some odd unreproducable errors |
| 20:47.05 | Belazor | wish they would make android for hd2, then Id have no qualms getting it |
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| 20:47.48 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: yeah its the right pass in there |
| 20:47.57 | Kaelten | hrm |
| 20:48.13 | nevcairiel | i have two CurseClient entrys, if that matters |
| 20:50.21 | Kaelten | they should have different accounts attached |
| 20:51.06 | asmodai | Primer: Just went autistic on me again, even with the MS driver :( |
| 20:51.16 | nevcairiel | lua>("@"):byte() |
| 20:51.16 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 64 |
| 20:52.02 | nevcairiel | how the hell do you type an @ on a mac? |
| 20:52.09 | nevcairiel | alt-gr + Q fails me :P |
| 20:52.53 | Primer | asmodai: ethernet on the motherboard? If so, which? |
| 20:53.11 | asmodai | Primer: nic or motherboard? |
| 20:53.23 | Primer | I have an evga with nvidia something |
| 20:53.28 | Primer | in Linux uses forcedeth |
| 20:53.38 | Primer | nic |
| 20:53.52 | asmodai | Primer: nforce 570 ultra, uses nfe in FreeBSD. |
| 20:54.09 | asmodai | Strange thing is that my XP64 didn't give me any of this bullshit though :S |
| 20:54.10 | Primer | asmodai: Does the device manager show it using the MS driver? |
| 20:54.33 | asmodai | Aye |
| 20:54.34 | durcyn | use the nvidia driver from forceware, it's usually decent |
| 20:54.35 | Primer | sec, I can vnc to my box |
| 20:54.46 | asmodai | the 1.0.1.211 driver of MS |
| 20:55.13 | asmodai | durcyn: There's a strange thing with some people and Win7, NIC suddenly goes autistic and drops all traffic in or out. |
| 20:55.21 | asmodai | durcyn: Only remedy is to disable/enable |
| 20:55.26 | asmodai | Or otherwise reset it. |
| 20:55.29 | durcyn | or use a real nic ;) |
| 20:55.35 | durcyn | e1000 for lyfe |
| 20:56.12 | durcyn | anyway, is there not a forceware driver for win7 yet? the ms bundled drivers are usually shitty for nforce ethernet, in my experience |
| 20:56.29 | asmodai | There is, just rolled it back since it also gave me the problem. |
| 20:57.54 | Primer | roll back to nvidia? |
| 20:58.05 | asmodai | from nvidia to ms |
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| 21:01.54 | Megalon | rolls Fisker back.. into his cave |
| 21:02.35 | Fisker | shits |
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| 21:03.16 | robotusch | bowls an underarm kitty to Fisker |
| 21:04.15 | Primer | sigh...had to restart X |
| 21:04.33 | Primer | fucking flipped out |
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| 21:13.27 | Daduke1 | Here is a question, is there an easy to target totems in arenas short of having to manually click on them midgame |
| 21:13.47 | Primer | tab |
| 21:13.51 | Daduke1 | looking for a mod or something similiar |
| 21:13.55 | Daduke1 | hostile totems |
| 21:13.55 | Shadowed | Might be able to setup a secure button that targets them by name |
| 21:14.02 | Primer | /tar totem |
| 21:14.06 | Shadowed | but I'm not sure if there targeting by name fix breaks that |
| 21:14.17 | Daduke1 | you can't target totems via macros anymore |
| 21:14.28 | Primer | tab still works |
| 21:14.43 | Daduke1 | tabbing isn't fast enough in an arena |
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| 21:14.58 | Daduke1 | you don't have forever and half to tab through all possible targets mid match |
| 21:15.05 | Shadowed | Right, you can't target them by macros |
| 21:15.07 | Primer | make your partners take care of them? |
| 21:15.16 | Shadowed | but dunno if they applied that fix to TargetUnit directly too, I assume not |
| 21:15.22 | Daduke1 | i'm the person that has to take care of them unfrouantely |
| 21:15.27 | Daduke1 | what do you mean shadowed? |
| 21:16.48 | Shadowed | As in, they either made it so you can't target totems period (except by 3D world/tab/unit) or they only did it to macros |
| 21:16.53 | Shadowed | I assume they did the former |
| 21:16.57 | Shadowed | errr, latter not former |
| 21:17.04 | Shadowed | in which case you could make a button to target them |
| 21:17.20 | Daduke1 | I still don't understand shadowed |
| 21:17.24 | Daduke1 | what do you mean by a button |
| 21:17.34 | Daduke1 | i understand what you mean, but not by a button |
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| 21:22.32 | Daduke1 | by button are you talking about a mod? or am i missing something completely |
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| 21:27.05 | CrazyBenny | Daduke1: button -> http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Button |
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| 21:30.51 | Daduke1 | checking |
| 21:38.24 | Daduke1 | alright I took a look at that link, and i'm guessing here that you are suggesting that I script a button to target a button? |
| 21:38.39 | Daduke1 | err target a totem |
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| 21:49.49 | asmodai | Primer: ah, might have found something |
| 21:50.11 | asmodai | Primer: http://www.sevenforums.com/network-sharing/32186-ethernet-connection-lost-found-6.html#post363855 |
| 21:51.30 | Fisker | takes a dump on asmodai |
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| 21:53.26 | Daduke1 | is asmodai around actually - i'm just curious about a comment he made yesterday |
| 21:54.39 | asmodai | Daduke1: oi |
| 21:54.55 | asmodai | the totem thing? |
| 21:55.03 | Daduke1 | yeah |
| 21:55.30 | Daduke1 | you mention pitbull, that allows you to offensively target a players totems? |
| 21:55.50 | asmodai | Ah no, it shows your own totems if you're a shaman. |
| 21:56.07 | Daduke1 | yeah I'm just referring to offensive totmes |
| 21:56.09 | Daduke1 | totems* |
| 21:56.24 | asmodai | Ah ok, that wasn't clear enough to me. Sorry for the confusion then. |
| 21:56.34 | Daduke1 | Basically right now I have to tab or actually go looking for totems to stomp |
| 21:56.45 | Daduke1 | and that takes a lot of time I don't have to spare in arenas |
| 21:57.21 | Daduke1 | Thats why i was wondering if making a gladius style mod for just totems would make sense |
| 21:57.54 | Daduke1 | Just something you could mouse over for a macro kill |
| 21:58.05 | Daduke1 | since you can't target totems via macros anymore |
| 21:58.47 | Daduke1 | I honestly think it would be a very popular mod, things like cleansing totem, are pure murder for a DK |
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| 22:01.47 | Daduke1 | any thoughts? |
| 22:02.34 | steev | tab fastar |
| 22:04.37 | Daduke1 | Shadowed: are you a co-author of gladius? |
| 22:07.05 | kadrahil | slaps ckknight around a bit with a nevcairiel in the Fisker |
| 22:07.21 | NivFreak | die |
| 22:07.38 | kadrahil | slaps NivFreak around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:07.42 | kadrahil | NivFreak: sorry i forgot you :( |
| 22:08.25 | kadrahil | back to two monitors and a virtual desktop to the right! |
| 22:08.41 | Primer | asmodai: reverting the driver to the MS driver is what fixed it for me |
| 22:08.49 | asmodai | Primer: Not for me :( |
| 22:08.57 | steev | fixed what? |
| 22:09.11 | Primer | has this other thing you've found worked? |
| 22:09.17 | Repo | 10buffthetree: 03stolenlegacy * r14 / (2 files in 1 directory): Embedding LSM-3.0 |
| 22:09.26 | asmodai | Mmm, cannot tell yet |
| 22:09.42 | asmodai | The disconnects happen too infrequently, lets see if I can force something |
| 22:09.49 | Primer | steev: nvidia network card would just stop working randomly in windows 7, despite having worked fine for years in XP, and continuing to work fine in Linux |
| 22:10.03 | steev | ahh |
| 22:10.31 | Primer | asmodai: as I understood the problem, it's usually triggered by large packets |
| 22:10.39 | asmodai | Primer: It's not just nforce though. |
| 22:10.47 | asmodai | Seen reports about intels, marvells etc |
| 22:12.09 | asmodai | Primer: the bottom one of this is odd: http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/GettingReadyforWindows7/thread/59bcb7f5-fcca-44a4-b1db-787b1d269825 |
| 22:12.49 | Primer | asmodai: it was definitely not a routing problem for me |
| 22:13.10 | Primer | I could not ping the IP of the affected machine from another machine on the local network |
| 22:13.11 | asmodai | This Linksys router has been running without problems for the past 3 years. dd-wrt > * |
| 22:13.20 | Primer | arp -a confirmed the mac address |
| 22:13.35 | asmodai | Primer: oh yeah, this irssi session is my 1.1 box on the same LAN -- that session also drops dead |
| 22:14.51 | Primer | for me it was quite evident that the driver for the ethernet card was wedged somehow |
| 22:15.31 | asmodai | Well, if I change some parameter in the config of the NIC itself, it seems to reinitialize the card, making it work again. |
| 22:15.38 | asmodai | Just like disable/enable. |
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| 22:21.52 | asmodai | Primer: Others suggest turning off offloading |
| 22:22.08 | Primer | WTF is that? |
| 22:23.11 | asmodai | Like checksum offloading and such things |
| 22:23.24 | asmodai | where the NIC can handle certain IP stack things instead of the CPU |
| 22:23.45 | asmodai | http://www.windowsreference.com/windows-vista/slow-network-copy-and-connection-drops-in-windows-7/ |
| 22:24.21 | Axodious | asmodai |
| 22:24.29 | Axodious | to increase our speed we have all the offloading on |
| 22:24.29 | Axodious | but |
| 22:24.41 | Axodious | sec |
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| 22:25.05 | Primer | it seems it'd be trivial for some co-processor on the network card to perform checksums |
| 22:25.14 | Axodious | flow control, green ethernet, auto disable gigabit are all disabled |
| 22:25.27 | Primer | Don't see how that would help |
| 22:25.32 | Axodious | flow control is a nasty one for the speed |
| 22:25.49 | asmodai | Primer: You'd think eh. At the moment I am still running without issues with autotuninglevel=disabled |
| 22:25.49 | Primer | this is windows though... |
| 22:25.53 | Axodious | there's also some feature in vista related to qos |
| 22:25.57 | Axodious | sec |
| 22:26.12 | Primer | heh, I do disable all that windows QoS crap |
| 22:26.16 | Axodious | (disable qos in the properties obviously) |
| 22:26.20 | Primer | I leave the QoS to my router |
| 22:26.35 | Axodious | lemme pull up the article |
| 22:27.16 | Axodious | http://www.petri.co.il/improve_windows_vista_network_performance.htm |
| 22:27.21 | Axodious | works with 7 as well |
| 22:27.29 | Axodious | it's a feature called autotuning |
| 22:27.40 | Primer | In fact, I've disabled a TON of the startup/background crap |
| 22:27.40 | Primer | like indexing |
| 22:27.55 | Axodious | when i disabled it i got 30-40% more performance out of my transfer speeds |
| 22:27.58 | Primer | which likes to run while other CPU and I/O intensive activities are happening, despite it saying it won't |
| 22:28.17 | asmodai | Axodious: ta |
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| 22:33.50 | Axodious | also asmodai i noticed i was having an issue logging into windows (active directory) it wasn't getting the dhcp information for some reason, turned out to be an outdated driver somehow snuck it's way into being turned on |
| 22:33.57 | Axodious | might want to double check yours |
| 22:35.10 | asmodai | This is a hardwired config |
| 22:35.20 | asmodai | so everything is entered statically, no DHCP at all |
| 22:35.32 | asmodai | And I used both NVIDIA's driver and MS' |
| 22:35.33 | Axodious | yeah im just saying, some how windows reverted the driver i had installed |
| 22:35.43 | asmodai | didn't seem to make a difference :S |
| 22:35.56 | asmodai | this autotuning = disabled so far is still ticking |
| 22:36.11 | Repo | 10buffthetree: 03stolenlegacy * r15 .pkgmeta: Another go at including LSM. :( |
| 22:36.12 | Axodious | what kind of router are you using? |
| 22:36.43 | Axodious | i've seen some linksys that can't handle high traffic (bittorrent, blizz downloader) and out right reset |
| 22:37.12 | Arrowmaster | if you are referring to linksys routers thats usually the fault of the firmware not the hardware |
| 22:37.35 | Axodious | yeah |
| 22:37.42 | Arrowmaster | although ive heard that the hardware cant actually handle more than 30mbit transfer between the lan and wan |
| 22:37.53 | asmodai | Linksys WRT54G with dd-wrt firmware. |
| 22:38.05 | Axodious | i'm talking about the firmware that couldn't handle x amount of raw connections |
| 22:38.06 | asmodai | grrr, happened again. |
| 22:38.33 | Arrowmaster | yeah usually installing something like dd-wrt or tomato fixes that |
| 22:38.52 | asmodai | Back on my XP64 box I had disabled the TCP half-open limit |
| 22:39.06 | Axodious | i ended up just getting an old laptop running monmotha ~_~ |
| 22:39.06 | Arrowmaster | everybody has to do that |
| 22:39.10 | Axodious | er monowall |
| 22:39.36 | Arrowmaster | monowall is so old |
| 22:39.45 | Arrowmaster | ive heard pfsense is nice |
| 22:39.56 | steev | pfsense is f'n awesome |
| 22:40.04 | Axodious | monowall is old, but still works well |
| 22:40.07 | Repo | 10buffthetree: 03stolenlegacy * r16 / (2 files in 1 directory): Ugh, fuck it. |
| 22:40.24 | steev | stolenlegacy: that's what i'm sayin |
| 22:40.32 | stolenlegacy | steev: what did you say? |
| 22:40.37 | steev | 16:40 < Repo> buffthetree: stolenlegacy * r16 / (2 files in 1 directory): Ugh, fuck it. |
| 22:40.46 | stolenlegacy | no, that was repo |
| 22:40.47 | stolenlegacy | :P |
| 22:41.07 | stolenlegacy | anyways, someone has a clue why libstub can't find a library instance of lsm-3.0 even though i embedded it? |
| 22:41.14 | Arrowmaster | let me check |
| 22:41.46 | stolenlegacy | you'd have to check r14/r15 for my goes at it |
| 22:41.57 | stolenlegacy | r16 i just took the embed out again since it didn't work |
| 22:42.04 | steev | so yeah |
| 22:42.09 | Arrowmaster | fyi you have a tab in your .pkgmeta |
| 22:42.09 | steev | i'm at 578 defense |
| 22:42.25 | stolenlegacy | Arrowmaster: it correctly packages the folder |
| 22:42.28 | stolenlegacy | that's not the problem |
| 22:42.31 | steev | 1 defense enchant, that i need to replace |
| 22:42.33 | stolenlegacy | it just doesn't load it |
| 22:42.40 | stolenlegacy | oh well, if you find it, pm me on the page |
| 22:42.42 | steev | was thinking i'd ditch that, and go to using fallen crusader |
| 22:42.43 | stolenlegacy | i'm going to sleep |
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| 22:43.16 | Arrowmaster | <Include file="libs\LibShared-Media-3.0\lib.xml" /> |
| 22:43.25 | Arrowmaster | i can point out right now whats wrong |
| 22:43.28 | Arrowmaster | but he left |
| 22:43.53 | steev | missing the dual slash |
| 22:43.58 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 22:44.12 | Arrowmaster | the library is not named LibShared-Media-3.0 |
| 22:44.13 | steev | then i don't know |
| 22:44.32 | steev | SharedMedia-Lib-3.0? |
| 22:44.36 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 22:44.42 | Arrowmaster | LibSharedMedia-3.0 |
| 22:44.45 | steev | *shrug* |
| 22:44.50 | asmodai | grrrrrr |
| 22:44.51 | steev | there are so many sharedmedia shits |
| 22:45.00 | asmodai | cries |
| 22:45.02 | Arrowmaster | theres only one that matters |
| 22:45.02 | durcyn | yes, three. so. many. |
| 22:45.04 | steev | and their names are all similar, i just don't bother using them |
| 22:45.05 | Arrowmaster | the rest are dead |
| 22:45.17 | durcyn | and 1 and 2 aren't obsolete or anything. |
| 22:45.19 | steev | durcyn: 3 >1 |
| 22:45.22 | durcyn | am i dripping enough sarcasm here |
| 22:45.27 | durcyn | or do i need to just insult you directly |
| 22:45.33 | asmodai | So, when it dies, I have no arp entries for either my router or my other box on the LAN. |
| 22:45.38 | steev | you can try, if it helps your epeen :) |
| 22:45.40 | asmodai | Can't ping the other box or the gateway |
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| 22:45.59 | asmodai | Really looks like the NIC just drops dead. |
| 22:46.55 | Primer | asmodai: because nothing answered back |
| 22:47.01 | Primer | and the arp entry was deleted |
| 22:47.06 | axodious^ | brb |
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| 22:47.47 | asmodai | Primer: yeah, although I would've expected my irssi box to still linger in arp a bit longer, but I guess not. |
| 22:48.17 | Arrowmaster | is it still in the other systems arp tables? |
| 22:48.43 | asmodai | Arrowmaster: Mmm, didn't check that and already reset the interface. Will check next time it drops dead. |
| 22:48.44 | Arrowmaster | arp entries dont last that long |
| 22:49.42 | asmodai | And then to realize that a number of years ago I did backbone routing for ISPs and NSPs. How quickly some knowledge falls to the wayside... >_< |
| 22:50.12 | steev | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Sen%27jin&cn=Steev&gn=Cult+of+the+Dead+Cow <-- tank gear advices please? (i normally tank with abbadon, i just happened to log out with dual titanguard equipped) |
| 22:50.27 | asmodai | Anyway, bed time. Will scour the net more tomorrow and document the painful journey. |
| 22:50.35 | asmodai | Thanks for the suggestions so far. |
| 22:50.39 | Primer | DW DK tank is viable? |
| 22:51.07 | steev | i do when i'm bored, but as stated, i normally tank with abbadon |
| 22:51.23 | Primer | steev: I thought you were supposed to stack stam |
| 22:51.24 | steev | the weapons are fairly pointless - im still over defense without a weapon |
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| 22:51.36 | Primer | and that avoidance wasn't really good for anything other than warrior tanks |
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| 22:52.09 | Fisker | steev |
| 22:52.10 | steev | Primer: i have 1 gem that is dodge - the rest are all expertise or stam |
| 22:52.12 | Fisker | reported for hacking |
| 22:52.13 | Primer | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Gorgonnash&n=Kaká <-- there's my guy |
| 22:52.40 | Primer | your belt alone has 2 non-full-stam gems, and they're blue quality |
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| 22:53.08 | steev | Primer: indeed! |
| 22:53.15 | Primer | your gloves have no gem at all! |
| 22:53.27 | steev | i don't main tank - hell i don't even off tank, i tank heroics... or 10 man alt nights |
| 22:53.35 | Primer | you're way over defense cap |
| 22:53.39 | steev | thats all random, its gonna be de'd shit |
| 22:53.42 | Primer | yet you have +12 defense on bracers |
| 22:53.48 | steev | yes |
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| 22:53.59 | steev | because i didn't used to be over defense cap |
| 22:54.31 | steev | i did get victor's call last night for my dps set, so woo |
| 22:54.31 | Primer | no stoneskin gargoyle on any of your weapons |
| 22:54.40 | steev | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.49 | steev | you can't stoneskin on 1h |
| 22:55.00 | steev | abbadon (which i normally DO tank with, however, does) |
| 22:55.05 | Primer | heh, I've never DW tanked |
| 22:55.18 | Primer | I was under the impression it was never viable |
| 22:55.19 | steev | next patch we get nerubian chitin |
| 22:55.26 | steev | your impression was wrong! |
| 22:55.33 | steev | parry gibbing isn't the issue it once was |
| 22:55.35 | *** join/#wowace Axodious- (n=sw23xza8@axodious.broker.freenet6.net) |
| 22:55.35 | steev | but |
| 22:55.38 | Primer | anyhow, my DK > your DK |
| 22:55.42 | steev | old habits and thoughts die hard |
| 22:55.49 | Primer | muahaha |
| 22:55.51 | steev | Primer: pretty much, we still can't get past faction champs |
| 22:56.00 | steev | or firefight |
| 22:56.02 | steev | er |
| 22:56.10 | steev | whatever it is, firefight or firefighter |
| 22:56.16 | Primer | well, my DK is an alt, but I run my own 25 ToC |
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| 22:56.27 | Primer | my main is wiping in 25 ToGC |
| 22:56.33 | Axodious | stupid irc |
| 22:56.34 | steev | my dk is a main, but i normally dps |
| 22:56.38 | steev | we have too many tanks as it is |
| 22:56.40 | Primer | 0/5...Icehowl to 10%...sigh... |
| 22:56.44 | steev | so no matter how geared i get |
| 22:56.56 | steev | i won't ever be a tank |
| 22:57.04 | ThiefMaster | the first three bosses are freeloot as soon as you killed them once |
| 22:57.13 | *** part/#wowace mitchnull (n=mitchnul@catv3EC944A1.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 22:57.30 | steev | i just like double dipping the damage on twins |
| 22:57.43 | steev | i was actually considering making my offspec an aoe damage spec |
| 22:58.19 | Fisker | STOP HACKING STEEV |
| 22:58.35 | steev | Fisker: i hacked your mom |
| 22:59.03 | Fisker | :( |
| 22:59.10 | steev | Fisker is just mad cuz i have 2 Titanguard and he can't even get one |
| 22:59.31 | Fisker | ;( |
| 22:59.50 | steev | Primer: so you think i should ignore expertise eh? |
| 22:59.56 | Primer | I do |
| 23:00.13 | Primer | but I tank as blood, single target tank |
| 23:00.24 | Primer | once I get aggro, I rarely lose it |
| 23:00.30 | steev | alright... how do you keep the meta activated? |
| 23:00.51 | Primer | nightmare tear |
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| 23:01.10 | Primer | the rest pure stam |
| 23:03.24 | Primer | Anyone play a warlock? I'm still not sure if glyph of life tap is worth it |
| 23:03.27 | Primer | opinions? |
| 23:03.31 | steev | its not |
| 23:03.59 | Primer | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Gorgonnash&n=Barfolomeu <-- here's what I'm running with now |
| 23:04.42 | Primer | http://ceregatti.org/download/wow/8165.jpg <-- here's a sample of my DPS |
| 23:04.46 | steev | yeah... i really couldn't tell ya |
| 23:05.05 | Primer | I've got glyph of immolate up |
| 23:05.12 | Primer | replaced life tap with it |
| 23:05.43 | steev | i've got 4 80 dks, 2 80 shamans, 78 mage, 72 rogue (my first toon), 71 ret (that i want to move to my server i play on now, but i'd lose her name /emo ) |
| 23:06.09 | steev | technically 1 of the dk's and 1 of the shaman is my girlfriends |
| 23:06.15 | steev | but she never plays anymore, so i play em |
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| 23:07.09 | steev | Primer: thats better than i do :( |
| 23:08.50 | steev | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/ra5fy5jwsamf3jpu/ |
| 23:09.01 | steev | disclaimer: it hasn't loaded for me so i don't even know how i did |
| 23:09.14 | steev | although i'm assuming horrible cuz i spent more time jumping than anything else |
| 23:11.17 | steev | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/bhoca2nur3h7ms9y/sum/damageDone/?s=4393&e=4889 still makes me giggle |
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| 23:14.59 | steev | we were doing uh... more whelps or some shit |
| 23:15.11 | steev | whatever the 50 whelps within 10 seconds wsa |
| 23:15.13 | steev | was* |
| 23:15.25 | steev | we got it... but yeah, i died shortly after spiking up to 135k dps |
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| 23:42.43 | Repo | 10boss-notes: 03Bethink * r191 Data.lua: |
| 23:42.44 | Repo | Modified GetNpcs() API to return an empty table instead of nil if there are no NPCs to report. |
| 23:44.03 | Repo | 10boss-notes: 03Bethink * r192 Abilities/Abilities.lua: |
| 23:44.05 | Repo | Modified GetSpells() API to return an array instead of a map table. If there are no spells, the array is empty. |
| 23:44.37 | Repo | 10boss-notes: 03Bethink * r193 Emotes/Emotes.lua: |
| 23:44.39 | Repo | Modified GetEmotes() API to return an empty table instead of nil if there are no emotes. |
| 23:47.52 | Shadowed | @project boss-notes |
| 23:47.53 | Repo | Shadowed: http://www.wowace.com/addons/boss-notes/. Boss Notes. Game: WoW. Bethink (Manager/Author), DrKazza (Author). Updated: 87 days ago. Tickets: 2/10 |
| 23:52.54 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: do you have a 3.3 updated version of bt4 somewhere? with the micromenu working. |
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